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Why I Parted Ways With The Right

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1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)

2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)

3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)

4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)

5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)

6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)

7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)

8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)

9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)

10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)

And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.

I won’t be going over the cliff with them.

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1484 comments

1 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:51:49pm

Let us hope others will hear.

2 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:51:52pm

This isn't Goldwater's conservatism, and I resent them hijacking it.

3 jaunte  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:52:35pm

10 for 10 for rationalism. Congratulations, Charles, and thanks for staying on top of the cliff.

4 kellygrrrl  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:53:20pm

Bravo! I have a hard time understanding how anyone with a semi-functioning brain, and soul, could possibly remain a rightwinger.

the same thing happened to me with Christianity.
it's difficult, I know, but far less difficult than attempting to justify the hypocrisy.

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:53:40pm

Cheers!

6 Cheeseland  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:54:24pm

This sounds like liberal conservatism, or conservative liberalism.

Mostly it just trying to avoid going of the far right cliff but you have to watch out for the cliff on the other side as well.

7 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:55:04pm

Why, again, exactly do we lump tens and hundreds of different issues, into two camps, and call them "left" and "right"?

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:57:04pm

re: #6 Cheeseland

Actually- it used to once be called Conservatism, and we had a few leaders of the movement. We called the Goldwater, Buckley and Reagan.

I'm glad they can't see this.

9 jaunte  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:57:27pm

re: #7 cliffster

Bilateral symmetry is built into us.

10 Cheeseland  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:57:40pm

re: #7 cliffster

Why, again, exactly do we lump tens and hundreds of different issues, into two camps, and call them "left" and "right"?

Electoral politics.

11 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:58:10pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Problem is, the newest generation (myself included) hasn't seen anything but this. Thats going to be a major problem.

12 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:58:26pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Actually- it used to once be called Conservatism, and we had a few leaders of the movement. We called the Goldwater, Buckley and Reagan.

I'm glad they can't see this.

If any of those three were still alive and competent, this crackup would not be as bad, as they could read some of the crazies out of respectability.

13 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:58:30pm

re: #9 jaunte

Yup. I suppose if we were starfish we might divide politics into 5 or more parts.

14 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:59:10pm

re: #7 cliffster

Why, again, exactly do we lump tens and hundreds of different issues, into two camps, and call them "left" and "right"?

Convenience. The dichotomy goes deeper than politics--Romantic/Classical,
Apollonian/Dionysian, and probably other elements I don't know or can't remember.

15 The Curmudgeon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 6:59:25pm

The two-party system has degenerated into a choice between rabid socialism and an especially nasty version of theocracy. Neither is acceptable (or American) and I don't see any signs that either party is going to reform itself.

16 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:00:01pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Convenience. The dichotomy goes deeper than politics--Romantic/Classical,
Apollonian/Dionysian, and probably other elements I don't know or can't remember.

Thanks for that brilliant analysis. ;)

17 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:01:29pm

re: #15 The Curmudgeon

The two-party system has degenerated into a choice between rabid socialism and an especially nasty version of theocracy. Neither is acceptable (or American) and I don't see any signs that either party is going to reform itself.

Oh please. There's nothing approaching 'rabid' socialism being propagated by the mainstream 'left'. There's milquetoast socialism. Corporate socialism.

The 'right' is owning the crazy right now.

18 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:01:47pm

Charles, do you support the Democrats' agenda for healthcare "reform"? Forgive me if you've answered that before. I just wonder if you're closer to the Dems or Repubs on that one.

19 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:02:31pm

I consider myself a right-winger however I do not go so far right that would qualify me to be in that group. I am more of a Reagan Republican. Is there a place for me anywhere?

20 kreyagg  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:02:38pm

I always thought that "Conservatism" started going off the rails during the Regan years. Really, who started pandering to the religious extremists in the first place?

21 Mike in Boulder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:02:50pm

I couldn't agree more with your analysis and sentiment and I commend you for you stance.

22 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:03:58pm

I think this pretty much sums up the argument against giving large amounts of power to Washington. The more people governed by a single entity, the more exposed are the minorities within that people to oppression.

23 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:04:19pm

brilliant, brilliant!
though many of the conspiracy nuts who were anti-g w bush are now tuning into "republican sources" like glenn beck et al.
doesn't this go to prove that at the base of the conspiracy lot is a fear and mistrust of power over themselves.

24 bofhell  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:04:46pm

[I know, I've been quiet of late. I've actually had the audacity to be doing things in the real world. Shocking!]

The problem is not Charles or any of us following the far right (or the far left for that matter) off a cliff.

The problem is that they will drag the country over the cliff on their own.

25 averagecdn  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:04:49pm

LGF: A logic attack with a Mac!

still a fan, still visiting daily.

26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:05:07pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

I consider myself a right-winger however I do not go so far right that would qualify me to be in that group. I am more of a Reagan Republican. Is there a place for me anywhere?

Just the place that people like you and me can carve out for ourselves. We both come from relatively moderate-to-liberal states; perhaps we can help keep our own state parties from going over the falls.

27 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:05:12pm

re: #11 McSpiff

Problem is, the newest generation (myself included) hasn't seen anything but this. Thats going to be a major problem.

I don't know. The theocons are not as in control as they think:

Poll shows opening for GOP

The poll, published in a copyright story in Sunday's newspaper, says 43 percent of Iowans say they're conservative. That compares to 36 percent who call themselves moderate and 17 percent liberal. About 50 percent consider themselves fiscally conservative and 42 percent conservative on social issues.

Analysts say that could present an opening for Republicans, but the poll also shows former Republicans say by roughly 2-to-1 they left because the GOP seemed partisan and offered few new ideas.

I think at some point the fis-cons will regain the party, likely after the theocons get their asses handed to them in the next couple of elections. There is an opening for republicans to make ground, but this poll shows that it's the fis-cons who have that power to make a difference.

Starting not to care anymore. There is nowhere to go. The right doesn't want me and the left is no better.

28 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:05:15pm

re: #20 kreyagg

Really, who started pandering to the religious extremists in the first place?

Southern strategy

29 ryannon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:05:31pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Convenience. The dichotomy goes deeper than politics--Romantic/Classical,
Apollonian/Dionysian, and probably other elements I don't know or can't remember.

Coke and Pepsi.

30 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:06:45pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

I consider myself a right-winger however I do not go so far right that would qualify me to be in that group. I am more of a Reagan Republican. Is there a place for me anywhere?

Where's Ojoe with the Whig party when you need him?

31 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:07:14pm

Canada and the UK both have long traditions of centre-right sanity that wasn't reflexively anti government.

I don't know how the strain if it developed in the US was categorised. "Patrician Republicanism" maybe, was it?.

Canada
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

UK
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

32 hanoch  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:09:21pm

So you look at the Nancy Pelosis, Michael Moores, Al Frankens, Cindy Sheehans, Jimmy Carters and Al Sharptons of the world and you conclude that the left side of the political spectrum is where sanity and moderation exists? I can't understand this.

33 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:09:37pm

re: #31 wozzablog

Canada and the UK both have long traditions of centre-right sanity that wasn't reflexively anti government.

I don't know how the strain if it developed in the US was categorised. "Patrician Republicanism" maybe, was it?.

Canada
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

UK
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Canada has a very narrow political spectrum. Abortion, Gay marriage and public health care, are for the most part, off the table in mainstream politics.

34 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:09:43pm

re: #32 hanoch

Where does it say any of that?

35 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:10:03pm

The 10 reasons are why I feel at home here. They are exemplified in Charles' posts. I originally came to LGF for an alternative opinion, and what I found was an honest, moral and ethically decent blog. I've even defended LGF in real life conversation. I even got a leftist to check out LGF to see for herself that this isn't an extremist blog.

36 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:10:15pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Just the place that people like you and me can carve out for ourselves. We both come from relatively moderate-to-liberal states; perhaps we can help keep our own state parties from going over the falls.

That would be appreciated by non-Republicans very much. We need you guys to keep the Democrats and liberials honest.

37 jaunte  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:10:50pm

re: #32 hanoch

I didn't see that conclusion on the list.

38 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:11:10pm

re: #31 wozzablog

As indicated by KT above, in the US (contra UK) there is a regional dynamic that includes a religious element to it, as well as a racially charged one. Part of the defining elements of our politics here in the US has been due to the diversity of the populace, especially racial diversity.

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:11:40pm

re: #32 hanoch

So you look at the Nancy Pelosis, Michael Moores, Al Frankens, Cindy Sheehans, Jimmy Carters and Al Sharptons of the world and you conclude that the left side of the political spectrum is where sanity and moderation exists? I can't understand this.

Uh, what?

40 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:12:03pm

re: #30 Surabaya Stew

Where's Ojoe with the Whig party when you need him?

Give Me Back My Whig

41 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:12:05pm

re: #36 Surabaya Stew

That would be appreciated by non-Republicans very much. We need you guys to keep the Democrats and liberials honest.

Thank you for that. It helps. I had to go home early today with back spasms that still haven't stopped.

42 researchok  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:12:31pm

re: #32 hanoch

So you look at the Nancy Pelosis, Michael Moores, Al Frankens, Cindy Sheehans, Jimmy Carters and Al Sharptons of the world and you conclude that the left side of the political spectrum is where sanity and moderation exists? I can't understand this.

There are as many losers on the far left side of the political spectrum.

You missed the entire point of Charles' post.

43 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:13:30pm

re: #36 Surabaya Stew

That would be appreciated by non-Republicans very much. We need you guys to keep the Democrats and liberials honest.

Sorry- but is there some reason why republicans are responsible for cleaning their own house, and keeping yours clean too?

44 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:14:03pm

re: #32 hanoch

So you look at the Nancy Pelosis, Michael Moores, Al Frankens, Cindy Sheehans, Jimmy Carters and Al Sharptons of the world and you conclude that the left side of the political spectrum is where sanity and moderation exists? I can't understand this.

As you're a creationist, I wouldn't expect you to agree.

45 hanoch  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:14:42pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

He doesn't. But what other option is there? You can vote Republican or Democrat (or sometimes for some third party nobody if you are inclined to waste your vote).

46 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:14:56pm

Canada also has many fewer elected officials in general. I vote for Member of the Legislative Assembly (provincial), Member of Parliament(federal), City Counsellor, and school board member. No judges, prosecutors, sheriffs, dog catchers, etc. And I think this changes the overall political tone.

47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:15:28pm

The haters are already tweeting about this.

48 The False God  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:16:02pm

I agree with 1, 2, 3, 4 (minus "climate change denialism," which is bollocks), 5, 6 (minus Fox News [the ENTIRE network?] and most of the tea parties), 7 (minus "climate deniers," as if someone that disagrees is on the same level as saying the Holocaust never happened [really, Charles?]), sort of 8, 9 (though I think that is more accepted in Europe than it is in the United States, as here I don't see much anti-Islamic sentiment, just anti-crazy people sentiment), sort of 10 (racism is a no no, but most of the "anti-Obama" things I see [minus birthirism, which is retarded] have a basis in reality, in that he DOES associate with very nasty people and is pretty much the most liberal president we've had in a long time).

That is why I am not a Republican. But I can't be a Democrat for obvious reasons, either.

That reason is because they are just as crazy, for similar and differing reasons. I weep for our future.

49 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:16:38pm

some comments i've read claim lgf is after the money as in traffic but if was true and charles wasn't just following his morality then why shrug off those millions of hits he would have gotten from the right wing blogosphere.

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:16:40pm

re: #45 hanoch

He doesn't. But what other option is there? You can vote Republican or Democrat (or sometimes for some third party nobody if you are inclined to waste your vote).

I voted in a primary for a person that got .2% of the vote for Senate once. I voted for my candidate, not if my side could win if person X went against person Z.

51 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:16:46pm

re: #42 researchok

There are as many losers on the far left side of the political spectrum.

You missed the entire point of Charles' post.

Why don't you explain it, then? If you reject the "right", are you embracing the "left"?

52 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:17:16pm

re: #47 Charles

Let them tweeet

53 jaunte  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:17:54pm

re: #45 hanoch

Support takes other forms than voting. The posted support that LGF lends or withholds from various tendencies of the right tends to urge conservatives into reconsidering their more radical impulses.

54 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:18:11pm

re: #32 hanoch

So you look at the Nancy Pelosis, Michael Moores, Al Frankens, Cindy Sheehans, Jimmy Carters and Al Sharptons of the world and you conclude that the left side of the political spectrum is where sanity and moderation exists? I can't understand this.

Actually, I don't think your examples are where it exists, nor do I suspect it is where Charle's exists. What made you draw that conclusion?

55 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:18:43pm

That will do it. I got tired of the homophobia in some of the blogs or sites. Breitbart being one place. From the constant sophomoric comments to the deranged haters.

Then there's the constant anti-atheism. Of course that doesn't mean they're open to other religions which is fairly obvious. If it isn't WASP™, it's not approved.

56 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:18:55pm

Charles, is there anything you find objectionable about Obama's domestic policy, and if so, what is it? You say you "parted ways" with the right, but in what ways aside from the WOT were you ever really with them? I don't really see any.

57 hanoch  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:02pm

re: #54 Naso Tang

At the end of the day you have to pull the lever for someone.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:09pm

re: #51 cliffster

Why don't you explain it, then? If you reject the "right", are you embracing the "left"?

That's ridiculous. I agree with most of what Charles wrote above and I embrace NONE of the far left ideals. Why would you say something like that?

59 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:13pm

re: #56 Slim_Junior

Charles, is there anything you find objectionable about Obama's domestic policy, and if so, what is it? You say you "parted ways" with the right, but in what ways aside from the WOT were you ever really with them? I don't really see any.

You only registered last month. How long have you been reading LGF?

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:14pm

re: #56 Slim_Junior

Charles, is there anything you find objectionable about Obama's domestic policy, and if so, what is it? You say you "parted ways" with the right, but in what ways aside from the WOT were you ever really with them? I don't really see any.

What has Obama passed, domestically?

61 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:24pm
62 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:41pm

re: #49 dartmydog

The meme that Charles does what he does for financial reasons has been floated about him since before some of the LGF stalkers who promoted it were even banned. It's one of the longest running memes about LGF, and it's simply not true, as some of those stalkers damn well know. But they don't let the truth get in the way of their hatred. Actually- they let nothing get in the way of their hatred, and it's pretty sick.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:20:45pm

re: #7 cliffster

Why, again, exactly do we lump tens and hundreds of different issues, into two camps, and call them "left" and "right"?

Because "us and them" is easier than "shades of gray".

64 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:08pm

Heh. They are coming out of the woodwork on this one.

65 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:25pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that. It helps. I had to go home early today with back spasms that still haven't stopped.

You're quite welcome, DF; Obama/Pelosi/Reed need an honest oppsition to ensure their policies don't go overboard. The GOP seems to be running away from that in most states, so whatever you and other Lizards can do to push them back on the right (no pun intended) track would be appreciated for real!

How did you hurt your back? I hope you feel better by tomorrow.

66 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:29pm

re: #61 joest1973

That was a weak ass flounce.

67 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:29pm

A song for the visiting Tweet-Dork Haters™

The Byrds - Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man

68 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:35pm

re: #56 Slim_Junior

Troll, full of sound and whining; signifying nothing

69 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:39pm

Are you classified as Republican?

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

70 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:49pm

re: #61 joest1973

DEMOCRATS BAD, REPUBLICANS GOOD!

Man the two party system is boring sometimes...

71 researchok  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:21:58pm

re: #51 cliffster

Why don't you explain it, then? If you reject the "right", are you embracing the "left"?

No, you are not necessarily embracing the left if you reject the right. There is a reason there are registered Independent voters.

I suspect you'll see a lot more Independents now that the religious right have hijacked much of the conservative and Republican agenda. They have done a huge amount of damage to the right.

72 jaunte  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:22:07pm

re: #61 joest1973

See you in a few years after the democrats turn the country as we know it upside down.

Stalag might get tite.

73 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:22:16pm

re: #32 hanoch

You're reading something more into the post than is there. Don't assume. It's not polite.

74 armylaw  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:22:38pm

re: #35 eclectic infidel

The 10 reasons are why I feel at home here. They are exemplified in Charles' posts. I originally came to LGF for an alternative opinion, and what I found was an honest, moral and ethically decent blog. I've even defended LGF in real life conversation. I even got a leftist to check out LGF to see for herself that this isn't an extremist blog.

That's why I'm here.

Although personally I maintain that I am a conservative; these upstarts like Palin and Beck are hijacking and distorting my beliefs far, far beyond what they really were. I have to wonder what Goldwater and Reagan would think of the Teabaggers.

75 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:22:40pm

re: #61 joest1973

Not even an original flounce...no style points for that turd.

/don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

76 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:22:54pm

re: #56 Slim_Junior

GAZE

77 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:23:06pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

You only registered last month. How long have you been reading LGF?

For a long time. Probably at least since 2003. Even with an RSS feed, I missed the registration window many, many times before one day finally hitting it at just the right time.

If you can answer my questions, feel free.

78 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:23:08pm

I can personally tell you that being of the jewish race and culture i've been raised to abhor the blood lust of race baiting. i am an avowed liberal and supported g w bush. i've followed the twists and turns of lgf over some time now and feel in the company of comrades here, folks of the same thoughts, philosophy and political bent as i. in canada we must also keep the socialist dragon at bay but at least here the (right wing) loonies are mostly in my wallet

79 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:23:13pm

re: #74 armylaw

That's why I'm here.

Although personally I maintain that I am a conservative; these upstarts like Palin and Beck are hijacking and distorting my beliefs far, far beyond what they really were. I have to wonder what Goldwater and Reagan would think of the Teabaggers.

I... I thought I was the only one!

80 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:23:17pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

That's ridiculous. I agree with most of what Charles wrote above and I embrace NONE of the far left ideals. Why would you say something like that?

I didn't "say" anything, I asked a question, and a simple one at that.

81 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:23:28pm

A while back the NYTimes (I think) labeled LGF as "rigidly empiricist."

Did Charles' steady rejection of increasing craziness get anyone to reflect on the crazy? Will the now overt and explicit rejection of craziness from Charles get people to reflect on the crazy? I think not.

82 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:23:31pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

That was a weak ass flounce.

So subtle I didn't note it.

83 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:24:27pm

Could someone help me drag "joest1973" over to the grill? We need to grill him quick, because I predict more flouncing on this tread.

84 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:24:29pm

re: #72 jaunte

Stalag might get tite.

We musn't cave in to that kind of thinking.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:24:31pm

re: #29 ryannon

Coke and Pepsi.

According to Sherman Alexie, Indians are divided Coke tribes, and Pepsi tribes. I can only conclude from the example of my husband that:

1. The Cherokee, or the Creek, or both, are a Coke tribe;
2. This tendency is either genetic or modeled early, or both,
3. Once fixed, the tendency, hell, driving need, to drink Coke and not Pepsi cannot be altered.

Unless his Scots-Irish ancestry is screwing up this exemplar, in which case I got nothing.

86 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:24:44pm

Charles, I have to say I agree with all 10 points.

Doesn't mean I'm gonna embrace the left. They have their own list as well.

Clowns to the left, Jokers to the right.

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:24:48pm

I was gonna hit the sack. Me awake now.

88 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:25:01pm

re: #81 EastSider

Will the now overt and explicit rejection of craziness from Charles get people to reflect on the crazy? I think not.

I already has for a lot of people here at LGF, so you'd be wrong.

89 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:25:15pm

I just retweeted this with a #tcot tag.

In your face.

90 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:25:22pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

Sorry- but is there some reason why republicans are responsible for cleaning their own house, and keeping yours clean too?

Seeing how both parties run this country, it is to be assumed that an unhealthy GOP will end up infecting the Dems also. And that would be a disaster for the USA!

91 Claire  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:25:47pm

re: #81 EastSider

A while back the NYTimes (I think) labeled LGF as "rigidly empiricist."

Did Charles' steady rejection of increasing craziness get anyone to reflect on the crazy? Will the now overt and explicit rejection of craziness from Charles get people to reflect on the crazy? I think not.

Of course it will- it has already.

92 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:26:02pm

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ditto, ah well. Sleep is for the weak.

93 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:26:11pm

re: #68 Naso Tang

Troll, full of sound and whining; signifying nothing

Oh, really? I'm a troll? I think my questions are fair.

94 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:26:46pm

re: #90 Surabaya Stew

Seeing how both parties run this country, it is to be assumed that an unhealthy GOP will end up infecting the Dems also. And that would be a disaster for the USA!

chicken/egg.

95 UncleMonkey  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:27:06pm

Well said.

As a libertarian, I was never officially with the Right. But at least the Right used to present the illusion of refuge. Now...

Hopefully a mass exodus of independents will wake up the GOP and force them to return to their roots. Unfortunately, they seem determined to continue to be the party of bigots and theocrats. Which is very unfortunate for this country. We're all going to suffer greatly as a result of the direction the Right has chosen to pursue.

96 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:27:15pm

So... there are only two Goldwater conservatives left? Sad.

Do we get our own preserve?

97 Hawkins  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:27:39pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Convenience. The dichotomy goes deeper than politics--Romantic/Classical, Apollonian/Dionysian, and probably other elements I don't know or can't remember.

You are forgetting the critical dialectic: Tastes Great / Less Filling.

98 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:27:41pm

why don't the fiscal conservatives/social liberals come out of both the democratic and republican parties and mesh into one new one. in canada we successfully did this in the new conservative party headed by Harper

99 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:27:46pm

re: #80 cliffster

I didn't "say" anything, I asked a question, and a simple one at that.

How is rejecting the far right embracing the left?

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:27:51pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Could someone help me drag "joest1973" over to the grill? We need to grill him quick, because I predict more flouncing on this tread.

My stand-up freezer will take a whole small/medium troll, or a side of a plus-sized one. Standing by.

101 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:28:22pm

re: #71 researchok

No, you are not necessarily embracing the left if you reject the right. There is a reason there are registered Independent voters.

I suspect you'll see a lot more Independents now that the religious right have hijacked much of the conservative and Republican agenda. They have done a huge amount of damage to the right.

But there is a very big problem: Huge number of issues. Two choices. That sucks.

"Well, would I rather have a giant bureaucracy set up to take money from me and give it to other people I don't know for reasons I don't approve, or tell people who are homosexual they aren't allowed to live their own life?"

Why do I have to make that choice?

That's stupid.

102 jaunte  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:28:24pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

I'm in!

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:29:07pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

So... there are only two Goldwater conservatives left? Sad.

Do we get our own preserve?

Is the other one male? Can we bring you back?

104 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:29:10pm

re: #98 dartmydog

You'd be the first person to ever label the conservative party, or Harper as a "social liberal". This is the leader who was most opposed to gay marriage for example.

105 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:29:23pm

re: #32 hanoch

re: #61 joest1973


Its going to be very VERY difficult for some people to understand that many peoples recent alienation from the far right is NOT about accepting democratic, liberal, leftist (not that all of these are synonomous) positions. Nor is it about the complete rejection of republican, conservative and "rightist" positions.

Its about rejecting hysteria, irrationality, anarchist, outmoded, racist, and quite frankly dangerous positions, speech and ideas that have the potential to do a lot of damage.

106 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:29:29pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

So... there are only two Goldwater conservatives left? Sad.

Do we get our own preserve?

Unless you can reproduce, you get your own case at the Natural History museum.

107 PAUL_MACDONALD  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:29:29pm

Nice to not be alone. I wrote something similar awhile back with regards to the Canuck right. There is some bad crazy from people who you wouldn't expect it from.

108 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:29:47pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

How is rejecting the far right embracing the left?

Well, you tell me. I don't think it is.

109 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:30:12pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Is the other one male? Can we bring you back?

Why? No one is interested in a Goldwater Conservative, it seems.

110 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:30:13pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

How is rejecting the far right embracing the left?

It isn't, unless it's election day, we have a 2 party system for better or worse...

111 directorblue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:30:17pm

Charles, I would guess that the vast majority of the so-called center-right would agree with most of your tenets.

Mark Levin's Liberty & Tyranny is my personal blueprint of "conservatism". It steps through thousands of years of human experimentation with different forms of government and arrives at one inescapable conclusion:

While imperfect, the U.S. Constitution is the best form of government ever conceived. It protected the rights of the individual and limited the powers of the federal government. Over time (New Deal, Great Society, etc.), the firewalls of the Constitution were erased by activist judges, leaving us with the strange form of government we have today.

I can't remember if it even mentions pro-choice/pro-life -- that's a state's right issue (10th Amendment). The chapter on "Faith and the Founding" explains the intertwined relationship between Judeo-Christian beliefs and the government.

As for Buchanan, etc., I have nothing but disgust for that crew.

On Palin, I've never heard anything credible that would lead me to dismiss her as a conservative leader.

On global warming, I believe it's largely a financial scam. In 1987 I wrote about the World Rainforest Movement's identification of the IPCC as a bunch of businessmen (see Pedro Moura-Costa) who were out to enrich themselves -- and succeeded. Even the WRM (hardly a right-wing group) said the IPCC report was a "fraud". Until we use open source science, open algorithms, open data, I find it difficult to believe the the U.S. has any impact on climate change. Visiting China puts our country into perspective.

112 Caboose  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:30:27pm

Uhhh, so you won't be returning that donation form to the RNC with a significant dollar contribution???

;-)

Hey, GOP, are you reading that list and taking notes? You better and the sooner, the better!

(I always figured that Charles was center-left with a certain amount of empathy for some of the causes on the right. No wonder that the crazy that has taken over the GOP has driven that empathy out; I no longer identify with the right or the GOP and have gone back to being a center-right Independent. I don't think that I'll ever be able to consider joining the Democrats, as their hate and crazy was there long before the GOP's, so I will wander around in the mushy middle and hope that i can find a place that i feel comfortable with.

113 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:30:29pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Count me in there gentelmen.

114 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:32:10pm

123 retweets already for this. Expect fireworks.

115 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:32:28pm

re: #74 armylaw

That's why I'm here.

Although personally I maintain that I am a conservative; these upstarts like Palin and Beck are hijacking and distorting my beliefs far, far beyond what they really were. I have to wonder what Goldwater and Reagan would think of the Teabaggers.

That's the thing that the haters and outsiders don't understand or want to acknowledge about Charles and LGF...while some of us may self-identify as "conservative", not all do.

In the bigger scheme of things, we here at LGF aren't just conservatives, liberals, or centrists, we're anti-idiotarians...we don't put up with any bullshit, we expect logic and reason, and we still fact-check people's asses.

116 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:32:41pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

So... there are only two Goldwater conservatives left? Sad.

Do we get our own preserve?

Not Goldwater but William F. Buckley's brother Jim Buckley and Edmund Muskie:

He [Muskie] could convince Senator Jim Buckley to cosponsor the 1972 Clean Water Act. Buckley came to understand the relationship between his conservative political philosophy and the concept of conservation under Muskie's tutelage. As a result, he became an articulate supporter of the landmark 1972 Clean Water Act. As Buckley said: "I know of no situation in private life where a newcomer would have been accorded greater consideration, or where differences of opinion would have been given a fairer hearing than that which was characteristic of both the Committee on Public Works and its Subcommittee on Air and Water Pollution. I feel particularly fortunate to be a member of both and to have been able to work with the two chairmen and the committee staff, who have made so great an effort to accommodate differences of approach to common objectives."

Thought it was good to re-post this excerpt as reflection and comparison as well as a point of reflection.

They don't make them like they used to and that includes the Buckleys and Goldwater.

117 PAUL_MACDONALD  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:32:54pm

re: #104 McSpiff

He left the Reform party because they wanted to ensconce "no gay marriage, ever" in the party constitution. He is socially to the left of nearly every US politician.

118 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:33:38pm

I'm conservative by nature so radicals and reactionaries of any stripe disturb me.

119 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:34:10pm

re: #118 MandyManners

I'm conservative by nature so radicals and reactionaries of any stripe disturb me.

Heh, "radical conservative" is indeed an oxymoron, no?

120 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:34:15pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

the "Right" doesn't do Nuance.

121 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:34:26pm

re: #88 Sharmuta

I already has for a lot of people here at LGF, so you'd be wrong.

Maybe. I meant that as a criticism of intractable people on the far right, and certainly not as a criticism of Charles.

I think, in general what has happened here in past months is that the people who are incapable of rational thought have left or flounced, while those who can think for themselves have stayed.

122 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:34:34pm

re: #118 MandyManners

I'm conservative by nature so radicals and reactionaries of any stripe disturb me.

Bingo. They can all piss up a rope!

;o)

123 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:34:38pm

re: #117 PAUL_MACDONALD

The entire Canadian political spectrum exists to the left of every American Politician id argue.

124 worknhard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:13pm

All I can say Is, wow.

125 UncleMonkey  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:14pm

re: #98 dartmydog

why don't the fiscal conservatives/social liberals come out of both the democratic and republican parties and mesh into one new one. in canada we successfully did this in the new conservative party headed by Harper

Well, the Libertarian Party could have served that purpose. But instead they've become a haven for failed GOP candidates and lunatics.

It's incredibly frustrating. For someone like myself, there's really nowhere left to turn.

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:21pm

Still a whole bunch of tihngs I don't like about the left, thank you very much.

127 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:29pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

Hang on a minute. Say three please. :)

128 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:35pm

re: #114 Charles

123 retweets already for this. Expect fireworks.

We'll be ready and waiting...

;-P

129 captdiggs  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:47pm

Just beware of being the pendulum that swings too far, Charles.
I hear what you're saying.
I'm a centrist leaning right despite what a couple of you may think. I voted Clinton, twice, voted McCain the last time 'round, support women's choice, a clear separation between church and state, equality of genders, races and all peaceful beliefs. I supported Obama's decision on stem cell research, and was pissed at Bush's religious decision on the same subject.
But a person can swing too far left or right as the right side examples you give do show.
As I said, beware of a swing too far. There's good reason that most of the country is closer to the center than either extreme.

And I say that with all good wishes

130 California Observer  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:35:55pm

Charles,

When Bush was president, the radical left was very vocal about their loony ideas, much like the far right is today. It's not like the far right didn't exist under Bush or before 9/11, or there were no creationist Republicans. They just weren't as vocal and angry as they are now that Obama is president. So parting ways with the right due to someone like Glenn Back makes no more sense than parting the left due to Keith Olbermann. Racism and bigotry are on both extremes of the political spectrum. So why not stick to your principles, whatever they are, fully realizing that there are crazies that are going to be on your side of the political spectrum no matter which side you are on? I'd like to believe that there's much more diversity of ideas in conservative movement than what you described in your post.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Things" either.

132 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:36:16pm

re: #124 worknhard

Wow, what? Please expound...

133 PAUL_MACDONALD  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:36:23pm

re: #123 McSpiff

I would agree.

134 davesax  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:36:45pm

re: #114 Charles

Charles, I never saw you as a "right winger". I always viewed you (and still do) as a centrist.

My only wish is that you'd blog more about radical Islam and Israel like you used to, because there really aren't non-Israel blogs out there that have filled the vacuum you left. I miss your hawkish, but rational, voice.

But, it's your blog. And I'm still reading.

Later...

135 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:36:49pm

re: #104 McSpiff

Hes personally against it yes! BUT isn't the true definition of a social liberal not one who agrees with all other opinions but one who is permissive in his rule. Harper has never shut down gay marriage even though he may personally disagree whole-heartily.

136 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:36:55pm

In reading between the lines of Charles' 10 point manifesto, it struck me that there are a few high profile people on the right that are not mentioned. That said, it is hard for ANY serious politician from the right to avoid contact with FOX News, since none of the other networks seem interested in giving significant air time to anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman. So while FOX news certainly has its bad actors, I have enough respect for the network that I won't throw it under the bus ... yet. At any rate, unless I am mistaken (and correct me if I'm wrong, Charles), it seems that Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani may still be acceptable Republicans since they have distanced themselves from the crazies. Romney was always my prefered choice for POTUS from the recent batch of Republicans.

137 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:37:23pm

re: #57 hanoch

At the end of the day you have to pull the lever for someone.

Don't count on any for you, at the end of the day.

138 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:38:12pm

Lotta socks

139 researchok  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:38:20pm

re: #101 cliffster

But there is a very big problem: Huge number of issues. Two choices. That sucks.

"Well, would I rather have a giant bureaucracy set up to take money from me and give it to other people I don't know for reasons I don't approve, or tell people who are homosexual they aren't allowed to live their own life?"

Why do I have to make that choice?

That's stupid.

Here's a bit of reality: Most people are centrist. They don't care how their neighbors vote or where they pray or what color they are.

What they do care about is the character of their neighbors and the commitment to the community they live in. Period.

The agendistas of both parties need to make you believe that we are at war with each other because that is the only way they can remain relevant or raise money. They thrive on discord.

The right has been infected with the Evangelicals. The left has been infected with the hate America crowd.

We keep playing along- and thus we get the government we deserve.

Term limits would go a long way in fixing this nation.

140 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:38:48pm

re: #135 dartmydog

I'd argue he's more pragmatic than liberal. But like I said to Paul, that's using the Canadian definition. In terms of LGF/America? Social Liberal all the way.

141 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:39:28pm

re: #111 directorblue

Over time (New Deal, Great Society, etc.), the firewalls of the Constitution were erased by activist judges, leaving us with the strange form of government we have today.


Fail. The judiciary is a very important part of what the founding fathers established. They are the guardians of the Constitution in a very real legal sense. The fact that people imagine the Constitution to be something else is the problem. This is one of the big stumbling block the right is facing; The Constitution does not say what you think it does. Just because you don't like the Supreme Court's rulings doesn't make them activists. Ron Paul's nutty interpretation has nothing to do with what the founding fathers set up. It's best that the right lets go of this imaginary interpretation of the Constitution.

142 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:39:33pm

re: #134 davesax

Dave, did you not just see the last topic downstairs before this one...you know, the one about British Jews being cautioned not to fall for the SIOE's slimy tactics?

143 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:40:31pm

re: #138 cliffster

Lotta socks

Very true. That this thread is up was just mentioned over at Rodan's Place. Expect sock puppets to show up and flounce. I don't why those assholes feel the need to hate on Charles, but they do.

144 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:40:59pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Fail. The judiciary is a very important part of what the founding fathers established. They are the guardians of the Constitution in a very real legal sense. The fact that people imagine the Constitution to be something else is the problem. This is one of the big stumbling block the right is facing; The Constitution does not say what you think it does. Just because you don't like the Supreme Court's rulings doesn't make them activists. Ron Paul's nutty interpretation has nothing to do with what the founding fathers set up. It's best that the right lets go of this imaginary interpretation of the Constitution.

A beer for thee!

145 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:03pm

I recall when the Right Wing began their melt down I was really upset here with the GOP.. I emailed Charles a document showing at one time I was the Republican of the year and invited to the White house.. I was so proud.. These last 6 months I stand in shame.. If the GOP wants to embrace Beck and his ilk I will not only leave you..I will fucking fight you like never seen as a citizen of this great country... My vote isn't cast in concrete.. It is given to sane American politicians...
oh and stalkers that think they represent the GOP.. Bite me...You are a lot of the problem...
/That's all I've got to say about that

146 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:10pm

re: #93 Slim_Junior

Oh, really? I'm a troll? I think my questions are fair.

Yes, but you don't see; as you said.

147 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:20pm

re: #140 McSpiff

I'd argue he's more pragmatic than liberal. But like I said to Paul, that's using the Canadian definition. In terms of LGF/America? Social Liberal all the way.

Let me just add to myself: I think he would move to ban it if the support it gained him would out weight the support he'd lose. In the end tho, I'll say this: I think he places greater weight on his fiscal conservative values and has governed as such. All around a decent PM id say. Better than Dion for sure.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:22pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

A LNDT attack?

149 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:31pm
150 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #139 researchok

Term limits would go a long way in fixing this nation.

werd

151 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:42pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Southern strategy

I had not seen or heard of that before.
That's why people keep blaming this stuff on "the south".

152 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:41:43pm

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

A LNDT attack?

Bet on it...

153 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:42:05pm

re: #138 cliffster

Lotta socks

Wait til you see the boots.

154 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #145 HoosierHoops

I recall when the Right Wing began their melt down I was really upset here with the GOP.. I emailed Charles a document showing at one time I was the Republican of the year and invited to the White house.. I was so proud.. These last 6 months I stand in shame.. If the GOP wants to embrace Beck and his ilk I will not only leave you..I will fucking fight you like never seen as a citizen of this great country... My vote isn't cast in concrete.. It is given to sane American politicians...
oh and stalkers that think they represent the GOP.. Bite me...You are a lot of the problem...
/That's all I've got to say about that

Right on and solid, Hoops...you said what I'm feeling about the GOP to a T.

155 irving  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:43:04pm

If it's any consolation, eventually the Democrats are going to overreach and execute bad ideas, the current crop of ideologues will fail badly enough that saner ones will come to power, the Republican presidential candidates who get the nomination because "it's their turn" will die off, and there will be a Republican resurgence.

I really don't think it's going to happen for a decade at this rate, though. We're just at the beginning of a Democratic resurgence, I think; Obama's a pretty good politician, at least as good as Clinton but more energetic and less prone to personal character flaws. (Smoking excepted; the first Republican who wishes lung cancer on our President gets a punch in the nose, courtesy me.) And the Republicans are driving off the cliff with the pedal on the floor.

It's going to be a long, long trip in the wilderness...

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:43:30pm

re: #149 kaymad

Oh yawn, you'll be going over the cliff with Obama than. Either way, we're all going over, you can pat yourself on the back on the way down.

WTF are you talking about?

157 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:43:58pm

re: #124 worknhard

Well...we're waiting!

/Judge Smails

158 rwmofo  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:44:08pm

I'm still trying to figure out what to throw against the wall here. I'm a mainstream conservative and the people on the list above comprise a very small group who are way over on the right. I don't see this as an accurate reflection of the almost 60 million people who voted for McCain.

159 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:44:19pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Fail. The judiciary is a very important part of what the founding fathers established. They are the guardians of the Constitution in a very real legal sense. The fact that people imagine the Constitution to be something else is the problem. This is one of the big stumbling block the right is facing; The Constitution does not say what you think it does. Just because you don't like the Supreme Court's rulings doesn't make them activists. Ron Paul's nutty interpretation has nothing to do with what the founding fathers set up. It's best that the right lets go of this imaginary interpretation of the Constitution.

Excelsior! ... but it goes both ways.

160 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:44:25pm

This post has been brewing inside my head for a long time.

I wrote it in about 3 minutes. And I mean every single word.

161 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:44:28pm

Stop the Train - Bob Marley

Stop that train: I'm leavin' - leavin'!
Stop that train: I'm leavin' - can't take it!
Stop that train: I'm leavin' - got to be better!
It won't be too long whether I'm right or wrong;
I said it won't be too long whether I'm right or wrong.

162 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:45:06pm

re: #149 kaymad

Speak for yourself, because you don't speak for Charles, myself, or anyone else here...

/bite me

163 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:45:40pm

re: #149 kaymad

So long, troll! Don't let the door hit you where the dog should have bit you.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:46:32pm

re: #149 kaymad

Oh yawn, you'll be going over the cliff with Obama than. Either way, we're all going over, you can pat yourself on the back on the way down.

Bullshit. We can keep our country strong and keep the Democrats from ruining our country without joining the Pat Buchanan / Robert Stacy McCain / Lew Rockwell /Ron Paul / Glenn Beck crowd. Your comment is something I expect to hear on Beck's TV show.

165 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:46:52pm

re: #114 Charles

123 retweets already for this. Expect fireworks.

A couple of twits on twitter have been "tweetstalking" me with anti-LGF messages, telling me what an idiot I am, how I must not have one brain cell or original thought in my head, etc etc. I've blocked them, so I won't hear from them again. But my retweet of this brought in yet another anti-LGF message (now blocked). WhyTF do people who I've never met or corresponded with think they have the right to send me their judgment of my brain cells?

166 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:47:08pm

re: #160 Charles

This post has been brewing inside my head for a long time.

I wrote it in about 3 minutes. And I mean every single word.

Takes a man truly strong and aware of his values to write a post like this. Even if we don't see eye to eye on everything, I respect the hell out of anyone who can bare his soul to thousands, and then stick around to defend himself.

167 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:47:08pm

re: #160 Charles

That is how good writing happens.
Long to ponder fast to put to "paper".

168 dwells38  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #56 Slim_Junior

He did quite a bit of defending of GW Bush here as he (GW) was being branded a Nazi by the left because of common-sense policies designed solely to defend our country.

He also quickly mocked the stupid 9/11 conspiracy that Bush did it to gin up war with Saddam and steal their oil to an give to Haliburton or any of the ChimpyMcBushEvilCheneyHaliburton stupidity.

And he's always stood up for throwing pc and multi-culti love-fests out the window when they really are trying to kill you.

169 hanoch  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:47:39pm

re: #137 Naso Tang

Oh darn!

170 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:48:06pm

re: #158 rwmofo

I'm still trying to figure out what to throw against the wall here. I'm a mainstream conservative and the people on the list above comprise a very small group who are way over on the right. I don't see this as an accurate reflection of the almost 60 million people who voted for McCain.

I voted for McCain and (retro ouch) for Palin. What give you the impression you seem to be expressing about the opinions held here?

171 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:48:36pm

Something just occurred to me about my conservative nature. I went ape-shit crazy tonight about the thousands of dollars our elected servants have spent on bottled water. It's a waste of resources, both physical and financial.

In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

172 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:48:39pm

re: #151 reine.de.tout

Yup.

[Link: us-elections.suite101.com...]

And a lot of it goes back further. The Southern Stratergy is at the root of a lt of what is wrong with the National Conservative Movement.

173 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:48:48pm
174 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:48:57pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout

A couple of twits on twitter have been "tweetstalking" me with anti-LGF messages, telling me what an idiot I am, how I must not have one brain cell or original thought in my head, etc etc. I've blocked them, so I won't hear from them again. But my retweet of this brought in yet another anti-LGF message (now blocked). WhyTF do people who I've never met or corresponded with think they have the right to send me their judgment of my brain cells?

They're emotionally bankrupt and deranged. People like that typically hate themselves and their own failed lives.

175 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:49:04pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Very true. That this thread is up was just mentioned over at Rodan's Place. Expect sock puppets to show up and flounce. I don't why those assholes feel the need to hate on Charles, but they do.

Because he disagrees with them. That's all it takes.

176 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:49:05pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

OK, we've got the overnight use of the refrigerated storage unit across the street. I estimate 20 large troll capacity. Meat wagons are on standby. Extra large grill is heating.

What'd I forget?

Side dishes?

177 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:49:14pm

re: #169 hanoch

Oh darn!

*Flushing sound*

178 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:49:15pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout

A couple of twits on twitter have been "tweetstalking" me with anti-LGF messages, telling me what an idiot I am, how I must not have one brain cell or original thought in my head, etc etc. I've blocked them, so I won't hear from them again. But my retweet of this brought in yet another anti-LGF message (now blocked). WhyTF do people who I've never met or corresponded with think they have the right to send me their judgment of my brain cells?

because you twitter... it's a deal with the devil.

179 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:49:47pm

re: #173 kaymad

Bye now.

180 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:49:53pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit. We can keep our country strong and keep the Democrats from ruining our country without joining the Pat Buchanan / Robert Stacy McCain / Lew Rockwell /Ron Paul / Glenn Beck crowd. Your comment is something I expect to hear on Beck's TV show.


You're right

Its that kind of "The Country is going to s#!t and there's nothing anyone can do about it using normal rational methodology. Oh woe is us, if only there could be some sort of deux ex machina to save us" that's going to literally get people killed.

Obama has issues, but he's not so bad as to be threatening the very fabric of the constitution.

/step back from the ledge people.

//Damn your devils for smoking my isles the other night

181 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:50:04pm

re: #171 MandyManners

No one gives a shit.

182 captdiggs  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:50:27pm

re: #155 irving

The democrats weak point under Obama is foreign policy. It's too much like Jimmy Carter. Their fiscal policies will only begin to show their effects, good or bad, near the end of Obama's first term
Any Democrat resurgence will die on the vine if Iran acquires a nuclear weapon or any number of other scenarios evolve involving Pakistan, Israel, Syria, et al.
Obama's exudes weakness, and that's not a good thing in a rough neighborhood.

183 Kronocide  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:50:27pm

re: #160 Charles

This post has been brewing inside my head for a long time.

I wrote it in about 3 minutes. And I mean every single word.

About 10 months? For me it's been about 6. The Obama = Hitler overkill and rampant ODS pretty much did me in.

184 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:50:41pm
185 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:50:50pm

Kos tweeted this a couple of minutes ago-- already has 5 retweets.

# markos

RT @peterdaou: For those who've been following rt/left blogs for some time, 1 of the most dramatic switches is LGF [Link: bit.ly...] 4 minutes ago from TweetDeck

* Reply
* Retweet

# Markos Moulitsas markos

LGF quits conservatism. [Link: bit.ly...] 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

186 researchok  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:51:01pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Something just occurred to me about my conservative nature. I went ape-shit crazy tonight about the thousands of dollars our elected servants have spent on bottled water. It's a waste of resources, both physical and financial.

In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

Term limits.

Being an elected representative does not bestow entitlement status.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:51:24pm

Charles, my 184.

188 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:51:29pm

My primary concern is keeping the money I earn in my checking account. If not the right than who?

189 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #146 Naso Tang

Yes, but you don't see; as you said.

After reading this I briefly envisioned a playful yet commanding smack upside someone's head. Maybe I'm giddy already from this lager I'm sipping.

190 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #160 Charles

This post has been brewing inside my head for a long time.

I wrote it in about 3 minutes. And I mean every single word.

Seriously, Charles, no offense, but I'd like to explore the question of how much you were actually with the Right before you "parted ways" with them. You're trashing rightwingers all day long, but you have surprisingly little criticism for the party that's actually in control of the federal government, many state governments and most major cities. Barack Obama has laid out his domestic agenda very clearly. Is there anything about it you disagree with? I've seen no evidence so far that there is.

191 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:51:55pm

re: #151 reine.de.tout

I had not seen or heard of that before.
That's why people keep blaming this stuff on "the south".

I think that's a part of it. But also before Nixon's "southern strategy" the Dems were playing basically the same game. Nixon just stole their gimmick.

192 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:52:27pm

re: #181 Sharmuta

No one gives a shit.

actually I do... sorry it has come to this.

193 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:52:29pm

re: #188 hydrocarbon hank

My primary concern is keeping the money I earn in my checking account. If not the right than who?

Maybe you didn't notice the republican spending habits after they removed Newt. No one gives a shit about your wallet.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:52:48pm

re: #188 hydrocarbon hank

My primary concern is keeping the money I earn in my checking account. If not the right than who?

Bury it in your backyard. It's safer there.

195 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:52:49pm

re: #190 Slim_Junior

Seriously, Charles, no offense, but I'd like to explore the question...

You can't always get what you want.

196 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:15pm

re: #185 iceweasel

Kos tweeted this a couple of minutes ago-- already has 5 retweets.

Ben Smith just did too.

So, let's all behave ourselves just in case this makes Politico!

197 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:23pm

re: #195 Charles

But you might just find...

198 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:24pm

re: #189 eclectic infidel

After reading this I briefly envisioned a playful yet commanding smack upside someone's head. Maybe I'm giddy already from this lager I'm sipping.

Mandy's turf. Best I can do is use a few *

199 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:34pm

re: #147 McSpiff

I don't believe he would, Harper stays out of our lives, he may go to a very conservative church but unlike the paleo-conservatives south of the border he would not try and intercede into our lives.

200 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:45pm

re: #185 iceweasel

Markos "Screw them" Zungia is a douche too. I don't trust our new friends any more than I trust out old ones.

201 mojoey  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:53pm

Perfect. Well played!

202 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:55pm

re: #193 Sharmuta

Maybe you didn't notice the republican spending habits after they removed Newt. No one gives a shit about your wallet.

My grandkids do. They're broke already, and they won't even exist for several decades.

203 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:53:57pm

re: #195 Charles

You can't always get what you want.

Thanks anyway.

204 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:00pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Pelosi, who has come under fire in the past for spending on flowers, also spent roughly $30,610 in food and beverage and about $2,740 on bottled water, contributing to the nearly $120,531 total from all congressional leadership accounts. Her offices defended the charges, saying the Speaker’s office holds more ceremonial events with visiting dignitaries than other congressional offices. They also use a local florist, and about a third of her flower expenses this quarter were for Jack Kemp’s funeral.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) racked up about $24,617 in catering costs. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) spent about $1,561 in bottled water and House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) spent no money on water but a touch over $18,000 in food. House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) spent about $24,116 on food and beverage.

Hat-tip to Fat Bastard Vegetarian.

205 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:10pm

re: #185 iceweasel

Kos tweeted this a couple of minutes ago-- already has 5 retweets.

No disrespect to you ice, but Markos "Screw Them!" Moulitsas can go to Hell. Being praised by him is no compliment. That does not mean that Charles is doing the wrong thing, just that being praised by that asshole is no honor.

206 rwmofo  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:19pm

re: #170 Naso Tang

I voted for McCain and (retro ouch) for Palin. What give you the impression you seem to be expressing about the opinions held here?

There's a small group from the far-right listed above. I typically agree with about 80-85% of the Republican platform. If I agreed with any more I'd question my sanity. Conversely, I agree with less than 20% of the Democrat platform. So I'm on the right. However, I don't let a small group of radicals/fanatics/racists influence me just because they're on the same side of the political spectrum. If Charles Manson said he voted Republican, I wouldn't refuse to vote. The left has their own baggage as well.

207 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:31pm

re: #190 Slim_Junior

the "Right" used to stand for personal liberty - now it is in hoc to Christians who want to tell people what they can do with their bodies and with whom they can do it with.

it is the "Right" that changed on that score.

208 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:32pm

re: #185 iceweasel

Well, I guess we're all good now.

209 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:32pm

re: #193 Sharmuta

Yeah...I've noticed. I'm serious...who can put us back on track? After I got my bill from the Fed this year my head almost exploded.

210 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:54:38pm

re: #190 Slim_Junior

You haven't been looking hard enough then...Charles has called out Obama and the Dems for stupid shit, but the GOP and the right have been busy shooting the feet to the point of there being only nubs left.

/sorry, try harder

211 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:55:01pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Andrew Sullivan will also probably pick up this post. He's an ass too.

212 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:55:12pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Markos "Screw them" Zungia is a douche too. I don't trust our new friends any more than I trust out old ones.

They spent years bashing LGF. They're not friends.

213 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:55:13pm

re: #181 Sharmuta

No one gives a shit.

I DO. And, I doubt I am the only one.

How does one start a journey of 1,000 miles?

214 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:55:30pm

re: #209 hydrocarbon hank

Yeah...I've noticed. I'm serious...who can put us back on track? After I got my bill from the Fed this year my head almost exploded.

Wait until you see NEXT years bill!

215 armylaw  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:55:34pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Fail. The judiciary is a very important part of what the founding fathers established. They are the guardians of the Constitution in a very real legal sense. The fact that people imagine the Constitution to be something else is the problem. This is one of the big stumbling block the right is facing; The Constitution does not say what you think it does. Just because you don't like the Supreme Court's rulings doesn't make them activists. Ron Paul's nutty interpretation has nothing to do with what the founding fathers set up. It's best that the right lets go of this imaginary interpretation of the Constitution.

There are a few "activist judges" out there. Generally in my experience, though, that phrase is generally used by people to refer to judges with whom they disagreed. Most people that use the term couldn't tell you why the judge ruled a particular way.

216 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:55:53pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Markos "Screw them" Zungia is a douche too. I don't trust our new friends any more than I trust out old ones.

Amen brother.

217 Kronocide  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:00pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Markos "Screw them" Zungia is a douche too. I don't trust our new friends any more than I trust out old ones.

I'm not 'going to the other side.' I didn't quit the right wing or conservatism: they quit us. Though, they've tarnished the terms.

218 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:01pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Something just occurred to me about my conservative nature. I went ape-shit crazy tonight about the thousands of dollars our elected servants have spent on bottled water. It's a waste of resources, both physical and financial.

In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

A few grand for water is wasteful, but small potatoes in the scheme of things. I was ordered to piss away 10 times that amount when my Navy division had money left over the end of the quarter. We waste billions every year, so I don't get worked up about a grand or two.

219 Irving  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:01pm

re: #182 captdiggs

I really don't get it. Exactly how does Obama "exude weakness"? What exactly has he done that's even different than Bush at this point? Admittedly, he's talked to a lot of people Bush never even bothered to sit down with. But nothing's been done that's different in any meaningful way - we're still in Iraq and doubling down in Afghanistan. Iran's still playing footsie with the bomb, but they did that all through the Bush administration. Would it help if he dressed up in a flight suit or something?

220 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:09pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Markos "Screw them" Zungia is a douche too. I don't trust our new friends any more than I trust out old ones.

If you think Charles (or most of us Lizards) is going to buddy up to Markos and his ilk, you're sadly mistaken...

221 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:09pm

If anyone thinks that Obama doesn't get taken to task here, they are either an idiot or to fucking lazy to read a thread.

222 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:28pm

re: #209 hydrocarbon hank

Yeah...I've noticed. I'm serious...who can put us back on track? After I got my bill from the Fed this year my head almost exploded.

I don't know who can put us back on track anymore. No one cares about Goldwater conservatism.

223 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:31pm

re: #213 MandyManners

I DO. And, I doubt I am the only one.

How does one start a journey of 1,000 miles?

Sen ri no michi mo ippo yori.

Of course.

224 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:35pm

re: #210 talon_262

You haven't been looking hard enough then...Charles has called out Obama and the Dems for stupid shit,

Can you mention one or two examples? I'll see if I can find the posts.

225 dwells38  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:40pm

re: #173 kaymad

That was weird. You're comparing Charles to actual professional race baiters?

If so he's got a lot of catching up to do.

226 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:44pm
227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:47pm

re: #213 MandyManners

I DO. And, I doubt I am the only one.

How does one start a journey of 1,000 miles?

Start the car?
//

228 thequis  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:47pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Something just occurred to me about my conservative nature. I went ape-shit crazy tonight about the thousands of dollars our elected servants have spent on bottled water. It's a waste of resources, both physical and financial.

In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

Its called a Brita

229 rwmofo  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:48pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Something just occurred to me about my conservative nature. I went ape-shit crazy tonight about the thousands of dollars our elected servants have spent on bottled water. It's a waste of resources, both physical and financial.

In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

Ya know that bottled water costs more than gasoline, right?

230 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:56:51pm

I am at my breaking point. I've held out for over a year, but if things don't change, I'll have to let some employees go.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:02pm

re: #190 Slim_Junior

Seriously, Charles, no offense, but I'd like to explore the question of how much you were actually with the Right before you "parted ways" with them. You're trashing rightwingers all day long, but you have surprisingly little criticism for the party that's actually in control of the federal government, many state governments and most major cities. Barack Obama has laid out his domestic agenda very clearly. Is there anything about it you disagree with? I've seen no evidence so far that there is.

Why do you want to know? I assume you have opinions of your own, re that. Express them.

Charles is the Blogger, not the Cult Leader.

232 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:19pm

re: #202 cliffster

My grandkids do. They're broke already, and they won't even exist for several decades.

How many is several? You could be 40 when you reproduce but, your children could reproduce in their teens so,...

233 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:24pm

re: #178 brookly red

because you twitter... it's a deal with the devil.

Must be.
I accidentally retweeted (sent out under my own name) the tweet about me not having any original thoughts in my head. LOL.

234 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:26pm

re: #176 Floral Giraffe

OK, we've got the overnight use of the refrigerated storage unit across the street. I estimate 20 large troll capacity. Meat wagons are on standby. Extra large grill is heating.

What'd I forget?

Side dishes?

Yes, please take care of those. We'll also need some drinks, both with and without alcohol. Lastly, we're going to need a deep fryer. We're liable to get a newbie troll flouncer and I want to see if a troll will deep fry well.

235 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:31pm

re: #226 winemaker

How would Ronald Reagan have fared at LGF? Not well, which is illustrative.

Bullshit! Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.

236 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #218 avanti

A few grand for water is wasteful, but small potatoes in the scheme of things. I was ordered to piss away 10 times that amount when my Navy division had money left over the end of the quarter. We waste billions every year, so I don't get worked up about a grand or two.

And that is the problem.

237 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:57:40pm

re: #199 dartmydog

I don't believe he would, Harper stays out of our lives, he may go to a very conservative church but unlike the paleo-conservatives south of the border he would not try and intercede into our lives.

I disagree, mostly because he's previously campaigned on re-opening this exact issue. I don't think he would now, but I think thats more due to wide spread shift in public policy.

238 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:58:19pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout

That truly sucks. Seriously the "blog wars" and their implications took me by surprise when I registered. I do not get it. I would not ever waste time blogging about one blog on another. Again and again I am amazed by the vitriol out there. Charles gets threats, Sharmuta gets attacked, you have twitter stalking, my obscure blogs get some anti LGF posts ( I guess a welcome page for lizards visiting my blog as they out number all but the rock fans got some fools attention).

The blog wars and personal fights in blogs just wither my interest. Fortunately the topics and the cool folks around here more than make up for the dust in the wind.

239 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:58:20pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

No disrespect to you ice, but Markos "Screw Them!" Moulitsas can go to Hell. Being praised by him is no compliment. That does not mean that Charles is doing the wrong thing, just that being praised by that asshole is no honor.

I didn't see 'praise', I saw a retweet that will be one of many bringing traffic. Personally I think the more people who read LGF the better.

240 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

They spent years bashing LGF. They're not friends.

Neither is Gleen Greenwald.

241 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:58:38pm

re: #224 Slim_Junior

You're a big boy and I'm not going to do your research for you...scroll through the archives or use the damn search box at the top right of the page.

/uggghhh

242 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:08pm

re: #239 iceweasel

I didn't see 'praise', I saw a retweet that will be one of many bringing traffic. Personally I think the more people who read LGF the better.

That I agree with.

243 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:10pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Markos "Screw them" Zungia is a douche too. I don't trust our new friends any more than I trust out old ones.

Fookin'-A.

244 Kronocide  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:15pm

People quit LGF because they didn't have the stones to question what was going wrong with their team.

245 McSpiff  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:35pm

re: #237 McSpiff

PIMF: public opinion

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:42pm

re: #215 armylaw

There are a few "activist judges" out there. Generally in my experience, though, that phrase is generally used by people to refer to judges with whom they disagreed. Most people that use the term couldn't tell you why the judge ruled a particular way.

Agreed. "Activist judge" means "disagreed with me about the law, wouldn't have done that if s/he hadn't had evil intentions".

247 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:47pm

re: #222 Sharmuta

I don't know who can put us back on track anymore. No one cares about Goldwater conservatism.

It is where most of the American people are, I think. We will get there if only by a circuitous route--sucky policies from left and right will clog the way, but eventually the best of both sides will win out.

A bit Pollyanna-ish, but you can't think it's all down hill forever.

248 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:49pm

re: #218 avanti

A few grand for water is wasteful, but small potatoes in the scheme of things. I was ordered to piss away 10 times that amount when my Navy division had money left over the end of the quarter. We waste billions every year, so I don't get worked up about a grand or two.

That's the first thing I would change in how government spends money.

But, then, I'm a conservative. Unwelcome everywhere.

249 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:55pm

re: #239 iceweasel

I didn't see 'praise', I saw a retweet that will be one of many bringing traffic. Personally I think the more people who read LGF the better.

I didn't read it as an "invitation" either.

250 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 7:59:57pm

re: #223 BryanS

Sen ri no michi mo ippo yori.

Of course.

With a single step?

251 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:10pm

re: #226 winemaker

flounce, much?

252 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:11pm

re: #232 MandyManners

How many is several? You could be 40 when you reproduce but, your children could reproduce in their teens so,...

Gosh, I guess you got me! :)

One kid is a year out from kindergarten, and one is under 2 (and won't make it to 2 if he doesn't start eating something other than scrambled eggs). They've got a ways to go, even if I let them drink hormone-laced, puberty inducing milk.

253 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:13pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Bullshit! Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.

I think that guy is misnamed. He should be called "whinemaker" instead. I'll make sure FG has room for him in the freezer.

254 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:17pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Ben Smith just did too.

So, let's all behave ourselves just in case this makes Politico!

Meh. Politico posts Drudgebait all day long.

255 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:21pm

re: #206 rwmofo

There's a small group from the far-right listed above. I typically agree with about 80-85% of the Republican platform. If I agreed with any more I'd question my sanity. Conversely, I agree with less than 20% of the Democrat platform. So I'm on the right. However, I don't let a small group of radicals/fanatics/racists influence me just because they're on the same side of the political spectrum. If Charles Manson said he voted Republican, I wouldn't refuse to vote. The left has their own baggage as well.

You didn't sign up here last month, nor in 2004, and you have more than 50 posts, yet you still don't seem to get it.

This isn't a percentages game. In fact the whole point is that it is not a percentages game; which is what all the apologists play.

In a nutshell, one does not tolerate a bigot, racists, ignoramus, liar or worse, for the sake of the party.

Have I expressed myself clearly?

256 captdiggs  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:38pm

re: #219 Irving

I could start with his "apology tour', move into his alienation of allies, one sided pressure on Israel, his failure to stand up for human rights with China, etc., but that would take a lot more space and time than I'm going to give right now.

257 GoJeepGo  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:44pm

I'm just glad to be a part of LGF.

258 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:50pm

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

Start the car?
//

!

259 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:00:53pm

re: #254 iceweasel

Meh. Politico posts Drudgebait all day long.

Ah, in that case...

Socialism!

/

260 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:08pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

AHEM. You're gonna have to fry it yourself.
And, BTW, the insurance doesn't cover "frying acidents".

BEER, Wine & Soda, Pop for those who chose on the way!
Bottled water too.
Y'all can take the bottles home & refill them ;)

261 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:13pm

I'm just here for the beer.

Speaking of which, bartender!

262 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:13pm

re: #244 BigPapa

People quit LGF because they didn't have the stones to question what was going wrong with their team.

They don't want to think for themselves, they want an echo chamber.

263 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:14pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

And plenty of hot sauce. Despite deep frying, the taste of troll could still be unpleasant. We must be prepared.

264 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:21pm

re: #218 avanti

A few grand for water is wasteful, but small potatoes in the scheme of things. I was ordered to piss away 10 times that amount when my Navy division had money left over the end of the quarter. We waste billions every year, so I don't get worked up about a grand or two.

I wish I could read this one day:

We save billions every year, so I don't get worked up about a grand or two.

265 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:39pm

re: #228 thequis

Its called a Brita

And, there are ways to deliver the water.

266 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:01:44pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Bullshit! Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.

Here! Here! Social cons take way too much credit for his presidency simply due to his personal religiosity.

267 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:02:41pm

re: #229 rwmofo

Ya know that bottled water costs more than gasoline, right?

Ummm...sitting in my freezer is a bottle of ethos water that I bought from Starbucks two years ago. I re-use the bottles.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:02:55pm

re: #219 Irving

I really don't get it. Exactly how does Obama "exude weakness"? What exactly has he done that's even different than Bush at this point? Admittedly, he's talked to a lot of people Bush never even bothered to sit down with. But nothing's been done that's different in any meaningful way - we're still in Iraq and doubling down in Afghanistan. Iran's still playing footsie with the bomb, but they did that all through the Bush administration. Would it help if he dressed up in a flight suit or something?

I think a lot of people say Obama seems weak to our enemies and frenemies, when they mean that he seems weak to them. I can understand that. I never understood the comfort many people seemed to get from George W. Bush--the thought that he was running this clambake scared the hell out of me. And I don't even eat clams. Apparently reverse response to Obama for many people.

I actually think Obama scares the hell out of many people abroad. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.

A flight suit might be cute, though.

269 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:01pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Bullshit! Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.

Exactly...

/BTW, you quoted the (now-deleted) troll ;-P

270 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:06pm

re: #266 BryanS

Here! Here! Social cons take way too much credit for his presidency simply due to his personal religiosity.

He gave us the towering moderate Sandra Day O'Connor, and I'm supposed to think he's a hero of the theocons? It's laughable.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:06pm

re: #261 Racer X

I'm just here for the beer.

Speaking of which, bartender!

Ooo,Ooo, me!!

272 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:14pm

re: #262 talon_262

They don't want to think for themselves, they want an echo chamber.

They wanted an echo chamber that would be a cheering section for the worst excesses of the right no matter what-- which is what the entire rest of the right blogosphere has turned into.

273 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:25pm

re: #230 hydrocarbon hank

I am at my breaking point. I've held out for over a year, but if things don't change, I'll have to let some employees go.

(((h hank)))

Take care.

274 aliencam  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:26pm

Charles, I agree with 10/10 of your points, but I still identify myself as "right", I just stay away from "republican" "libertarian" "neo-**whatever**" and other labels like that.

I can't see how rational people can legitimately agree with anyone in the political sphere right now, it seems like everyone is "over the cliff" on one side or another.

Can't we have someone just thinks before they act?

275 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:38pm

re: #244 BigPapa

People quit LGF because they didn't have the stones to question what was going wrong with their team.

People leave LGF because they don't have the BRAINS to ANSWER the questions about what was going wrong with their team.

"GAHHH HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT DON'T FIT PRECISELY INTO MY PRECONCEIVED BLACK/WHITE NOTION OF THE WORLD! ME NO LIKE THE CONFUSING THOUGHTS"

276 rwmofo  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:40pm

re: #255 Naso Tang

You've totally missed my point.

277 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:42pm

re: #263 eclectic infidel

And plenty of hot sauce. Despite deep frying, the taste of troll could still be unpleasant. We must be prepared.

I'll get some and some soy sauce too. Soy is quite good at improving taste.

278 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:52pm

re: #261 Racer X

I'm just here for the beer.

Speaking of which, bartender!

Hi..My name is Hoopster and I'll be your waiter tonight

279 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:53pm

re: #195 Charles

You can't always get what you want.



You Can't Get That Stuff No More - Tampa Red

280 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:56pm

re: #250 MandyManners

With a single step?

Yep. Japanese proverb, that is. A thousand Ri (archaic measure of distance, translated as mile) trip begins with one step.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:03:59pm

re: #222 Sharmuta

I don't know who can put us back on track anymore. No one cares about Goldwater conservatism.

Honey, you're breaking my heart. There's nothing sadder than a Smurf who's realized that no one smurfs Goldwater conservatism.

:(

282 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:04:27pm

re: #241 talon_262

You're a big boy and I'm not going to do your research for you...scroll through the archives or use the damn search box at the top right of the page.

/uggghhh

I didn't ask you to do research, I just asked you to substantiate a claim you made. I explicitly said I would find the posts myself, once I had a keyword or to go on.

283 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #249 Gus 802

I didn't read it as an "invitation" either.

Linked LGF. Twice.

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:03pm

More than 1500 retweets.

285 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:11pm

re: #283 iceweasel

Linked LGF. Twice.

Hey do you have a link for that Andrew "Beta Male" Breitbart phone call rant?

286 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:25pm
287 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:27pm

re: #274 aliencam

Charles, I agree with 10/10 of your points, but I still identify myself as "right", I just stay away from "republican" "libertarian" "neo-**whatever**" and other labels like that.

I can't see how rational people can legitimately agree with anyone in the political sphere right now, it seems like everyone is "over the cliff" on one side or another.

Can't we have someone just thinks before they act?

That last seems a maneuver too difficult for most people these. Not here, though. Here we fact check each other and that encourages thinking before you post.

288 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:31pm

re: #276 rwmofo

You've totally missed my point.

I could say the same. So it is.

289 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:33pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

Honey, you're breaking my heart. There's nothing sadder than a Smurf who's realized that no one smurfs Goldwater conservatism.

:(

Drew Brees is smurfing the smurf out of the Patriots right now.

/sorry for cursing.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:41pm

re: #244 BigPapa

People quit LGF because they didn't have the stones to question what was going wrong with their team.

Or handle not being able to scream down any criticism of the flavor of the moment.

291 Ferris  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:43pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Bullshit! Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.


You think a President who proclaimed a "Year of the Bible" would have been welcomed at LGF? Really?

292 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:05:58pm

The thing about moderates is that the MotherFuckingMedia exist to make money and, if it bleeds, it leads.

293 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:06:02pm

Ben Smith linked at Politico: [Link: www.politico.com...]

294 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #279 Bagua

How's the Trollometer doing? Batteries charged?

295 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:06:06pm

Am I the only one enraged at the current Tax structure, new taxes, and all of the new road blocks preventing private business to thrive? Charles, I understand your anger about the social issues, but no mention of Uncle Sam's hand in our pockets even made your list?

296 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:06:12pm

re: #248 Sharmuta

That's the first thing I would change in how government spends money.

But, then, I'm a conservative. Unwelcome everywhere.

I don't disagree with you, but many have tried, and failed. Just a simple change to allow Medicare allow competition for drugs and equipment could save billions, but neither side can get a bill passed to allow it. Punishing agencies with money left in their budget is another small example. If they have a million left over, then their budget might be reduced by a million, so they spend it on crap.

297 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:06:22pm

People often default to saying they're "right" because it sounds like the opposite of "wrong".

It's not.

298 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:07:02pm

re: #286 Cato the Elder

The sleep of reason begets monsters.

Vote Nurglon in 2012.

good joke but that's a pretty nasty picture of Sarah Palin.

299 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #291 Ferris

You think a President who proclaimed a "Year of the Bible" would have been welcomed at LGF? Really?

Yes. Ronald Reagan will always be welcome at LGF. Trying to stir up trouble?

300 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:07:22pm

re: #291 Ferris

You think a President who proclaimed a "Year of the Bible" would have been welcomed at LGF? Really?

Fascinating a democrat Congress would pass such a thing.

301 Lateralis  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:07:53pm

I thought sacrificing babies was the dark ages.

302 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:08:00pm

re: #286 Cato the Elder

The sleep of reason begets monsters.

Vote Nurglon in 2012.

Don't blame me for the political mess our country is in, I voted for Kronos.

303 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:08:09pm

re: #291 Ferris

You think a President who proclaimed a "Year of the Bible" would have been welcomed at LGF? Really?

Every year is the Year of the Bible for me. I haven't been banned yet.

304 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Thought it was good to re-post this excerpt as reflection and comparison as well as a point of reflection.

They don't make them like they used to and that includes the Buckleys and Goldwater.

Or like Muskie. We need more like them and Russ Feingold. Both sides honestly working for the best interest of the nation and keeping each other honest.

William

305 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:08:12pm

re: #293 Charles

Ben Smith linked at Politico: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Nice comments. Heh.

306 Kronocide  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:08:50pm

I Flounced From The Right Wing

Regards, Alone in Pragmatism

307 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:08:56pm

re: #295 hydrocarbon hank

Am I the only one enraged at the current Tax structure, new taxes, and all of the new road blocks preventing private business to thrive? Charles, I understand your anger about the social issues, but no mention of Uncle Sam's hand in our pockets even made your list?

That will be tomorrow's post.

308 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:03pm

re: #178 brookly red

because you twitter... it's a deal with the devil.

twitter is weird,

I opened up a test account to try to figure out how it works. Sent a couple of messages back and forth such as "test tweet from laptop" and "test tweet from mobile".

Today I got an email from "NannieBarry747" requesting to follow my tweets.

309 schnapp  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:09pm

re: #302 BryanS

I was just browsing through the comments but I had to log in to upding yours!!

310 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:22pm

re: #296 avanti

I don't disagree with you, but many have tried, and failed.

Uh- I've said repeatedly tonight that no one cares about conservatism.

It's true.

311 Slim_Junior  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:31pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do you want to know? I assume you have opinions of your own, re that. Express them.

I said why I was asking, and you even quoted that part. I want to find out to what extent Charles was actually with the Right before he "parted ways" with them. Aside from the WOT, it's not clear to me that he ever really was to any great extent. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

312 dwells38  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:41pm

re: #219 Irving

I really don't get it. Exactly how does Obama "exude weakness"? What exactly has he done that's even different than Bush at this point? Admittedly, he's talked to a lot of people Bush never even bothered to sit down with. But nothing's been done that's different in any meaningful way - we're still in Iraq and doubling down in Afghanistan. Iran's still playing footsie with the bomb, but they did that all through the Bush administration. Would it help if he dressed up in a flight suit or something?

Oh I think he has shown some weakness in dealing with the Russians and the Chinese. He's been suckered into meetings where the US gets nothing and those rivals get what they want. He seems to not understand that we have allies that depend on our strong stance. Maybe that's his intent to signal to them they're now on their own.

At the same time by talking to or offereing to talk with enemies of the US or apologizing for US policies to countries that oppress their peoples he elevates their status which is a bad idea.

He should never have offered to talk with Iran as they continue to parade around with Death to America and Israel on their missiles, brutally oppress and murder political opponents and kidnap Brits willy-nilly.

Bush's supposed cowboy mentality at least in most cases correctly identified who's trying to punk us, who hates and who really are and aren't our friends.

Not trying to trash President Obama just citing some example that I think show weakness. And maybe it's calculated to let them show their true colors and he'll get tough with them later. We'll see.

313 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:45pm

re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar

That got ugly in about two seconds.

314 Kronocide  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:45pm

re: #301 Lateralis

WTF?

315 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:09:56pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Hey do you have a link for that Andrew "Beta Male" Breitbart phone call rant?

yep-- gawker has the dirt.
[Link: gawker.com...]

316 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:10:01pm

re: #301 Lateralis

You suck.

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

Uh- I've said repeatedly tonight that no one cares about conservatism.

It's true.

No, it's not. Not with all.

318 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:10:20pm

"It is in the area of spending that the Republican Party's performance, in its seven years of power, has been most disappointing."

-Barry Goldwater

319 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:10:36pm

re: #282 Slim_Junior

I didn't ask you to do research, I just asked you to substantiate a claim you made. I explicitly said I would find the posts myself, once I had a keyword or to go on.

Your first two posts in this thread showed you haven't done your homework about where Charles stands (outside of his statement at the top of the thread), so you were expecting him to play 20 Questions...look through the archives, because that's all i'd do to show you.

/it ain't that hard

320 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:10:37pm

SF author William Gibson just tweeted this. Wow.

321 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:10:58pm

re: #315 iceweasel

yep-- gawker has the dirt.
[Link: gawker.com...]

Alpha! Hahahahaha!

Thanks.

322 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:03pm

re: #301 Lateralis

WTF did that come from?

/jerk

323 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:14pm

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

-Barry Goldwater (November 1994)

324 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:26pm

William Gibson: [Link: twitter.com...]

325 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:33pm

re: #320 Charles

SF author William Gibson just tweeted this. Wow.

Love Necromancer...had to read it in college.

326 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:47pm

re: #308 Bagua

twitter is weird,

I opened up a test account to try to figure out how it works. Sent a couple of messages back and forth such as "test tweet from laptop" and "test tweet from mobile".

Today I got an email from "NannieBarry747" requesting to follow my tweets.

I just don't get it... people pay for unlisted phone numbers & then sign up for twitter.

327 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:52pm

Good for you, Charles.
There's only so much shit a person can take.

328 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:52pm

re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nice comments. Heh.

This post is going to be one of the top stories on memeorandum tomorrow, and talked about all over the blogosphere, esp the liberal blogosphere. I'd bet anything. Lots of people who never checked LGF out before will be coming by.

329 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:11:57pm

"By maintaining the separation of church and state," he explained, "the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?"

-Barry Goldwater

330 RexMundi  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:12pm

Thank you, Charles, for having the courage to stand out against misguided group-think.

331 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:29pm

AN IRISH GHOST STORY

This story happened a while ago in Dublin , and even though it sounds like an Alfred Hitchcock tale, it's true.
~~~
John Bradford, a Dublin University student, was on the side of the road hitchhiking on a very dark night and in the midst of a big storm.

The night was rolling on and no car went by. The storm was so strong he could hardly see a few feet ahead of him, when
suddenly he saw a car slowly coming towards him and stopped.

John , desperate for shelter and without thinking about it, got into the car and closed the door... only to realize there was nobody behind the wheel and the engine wasn't on.

The car started moving slowly. John looked at the road ahead and saw a curve approaching. Scared, he started to pray, begging for his life.

Then, just before the car hit the curve, a hand appeared out of nowhere through the window, and turned the wheel.. John , paralyzed with terror, watched as the hand came through the window, but never touched or harmed him.

Shortly thereafter, John saw the lights of a pub appear down the road, so, gathering strength; he jumped out of the car and ran to it.

Wet and out of breath, he rushed inside and started telling everybody about the horrible experience he had just had..

A silence enveloped the pub when everybody realized he was crying... and wasn't drunk. Suddenly, the door opened, and two other people walked in from the dark and stormy night.

They, like John , were also soaked and out of breath. Looking around, and seeing John Bradford sobbing at the bar, one said to the other...
'Look Paddy...there's that fooker that got in your car. Next time help us push, ya wanker!!!'

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:33pm

re: #311 Slim_Junior

I said why I was asking, and you even quoted that part. I want to find out to what extent Charles was actually with the Right before he "parted ways" with them. Aside from the WOT, it's not clear to me that he ever really was to any great extent. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'd suggest reading through his posts on the presidential campaign for some insight there.

333 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:41pm

re: #324 Charles

From that thread...

LGF: Feels like some rare astronomical event, something we hear about but don't bother hoping to see: somebody changing their mind.


Heh.

334 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:41pm

re: #295 hydrocarbon hank

Am I the only one enraged at the current Tax structure, new taxes, and all of the new road blocks preventing private business to thrive? Charles, I understand your anger about the social issues, but no mention of Uncle Sam's hand in our pockets even made your list?

Hank, Charles is not the owner of a small business so I don't know if this issue is on his radar.

335 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:42pm

re: #304 wlewisiii

Or like Muskie. We need more like them and Russ Feingold. Both sides honestly working for the best interest of the nation and keeping each other honest.

William

Agreed on the Feingold as a conservative leaning voter from his state. He's much too liberal for my personal tastes on economic issues, but he got my vote last two times simply because he's one of those rare political gems who should be in the Senate.

336 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:47pm

re: #295 hydrocarbon hank

Am I the only one enraged at the current Tax structure, new taxes, and all of the new road blocks preventing private business to thrive? Charles, I understand your anger about the social issues, but no mention of Uncle Sam's hand in our pockets even made your list?

I'm outraged at corporate welfare while the rest of us grow poor.

As for the current tax structure, it is the most regressive (i.e. takes the most from the poor while giving the most to the rich) in three generations.

337 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:53pm

The Saints are having their way with the NE Patriots. I never thought I would see a team in New Orleans so dominating in the NFL in my lifetime. Good for them.

338 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:12:57pm

re: #294 Floral Giraffe

How's the Trollometer doing? Batteries charged?

To save the planet I switched the Flounce-O-Meter™ to run on Solar Power.

Now it's useless at night.


(In light of this 10 post, I'm breaking out the jumper cables and will shortly fire her up.)

339 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:06pm

When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.

-Barry Goldwater

340 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:09pm

re: #320 Charles

SF author William Gibson just tweeted this. Wow.

Well, he is into Pattern Recognition and the zeitgeist...

341 jpwhitmore  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:22pm

Charles
But what exactly does this mean besides no longer associating with or supporting the religious right and all the people mentioned above? I've been asking myself this question since I had my own parting with the right and wondered what you think. Because for me at least I feel like my political views haven't changed. It's the people around me. Sorry if someone else has asked something similar in this dense thread.

342 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:41pm

Well said Charles!

Jimmah, a Scottish centre-lefty. (The worst kind of centre-lefty there is ;-))

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:41pm

re: #320 Charles

SF author William Gibson just tweeted this. Wow.

You know, Ugarti, I am a little more impressed with you now.

344 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:44pm

re: #301 Lateralis

I thought sacrificing babies was the dark ages.

Well, ain't you fucking special.

345 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:46pm

re: #302 BryanS

Don't blame me for the political mess our country is in, I voted for Kronos.

I would have voted for Cthulhu, but it wasn't on the ballot on my state.

346 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:13:50pm

Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives.

-Barry Goldwater

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:14:14pm

re: #325 talon_262

Love Necromancer...had to read it in college.

Neuromancer. Good book.

348 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:14:20pm

re: #334 MandyManners

Thanks for the heads up -- I've been out of the loop since my wife and I had our first child four months ago. This has been a crazy year to say the least.

349 bosforus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:14:36pm
I won’t be going over the cliff with them.

I ain't going off no cliff with nobody.

350 Mark Pennington  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:14:57pm

Good grief, I love LGF. I haven't been able to keep up lately due to helping take care of my sister but I just had to say something in this awesome entry.

I hope everyone is well and happy.

351 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:04pm

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

-Barry Goldwater

352 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:09pm

re: #328 iceweasel

This post is going to be one of the top stories on memeorandum tomorrow, and talked about all over the blogosphere, esp the liberal blogosphere. I'd bet anything. Lots of people who never checked LGF out before will be coming by.

Might be a good time to open the registration.

353 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:23pm

re: #349 bosforus

I ain't going off no cliff with nobody.

Aww, come on. Strap on one of these parachutes. They're specially designed to be compatible with the religious right. Have a safe trip to the bottom!

354 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:31pm

Good lord. More than 2200 retweets. Yikes.

355 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:34pm

re: #346 Sharmuta

Keep those coming-Great stuff!!
I may have to chorus in with some Reagan or Buckley.

356 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:41pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

From that thread...

Heh.

And the thing is, Charles hasn't "changed", the right and the GOP have...Charles only put down a definitive statement of why he doesn't re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

Neuromancer. Good book.

Whoops, meant Neuromancer, not Necromancer...PIMF!

;-P

357 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:15:49pm

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Might be a good time to open the registration.

Yes- maybe we can pick up a bunch of koslings.

358 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:10pm

re: #171 MandyManners


In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

That. is. amazing.
What a waste of money.
For $100 we could give each office a supply of nice steel water bottles that they can fill over and over again from the (*gasp*) tap.

Btw, great post Charles...

359 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:16pm

re: #325 talon_262

Love Necromancer...had to read it in college.

W00t!!!
Wow, this is cool...all of us on twitter should create some sort of special LGF hash tag to retweet all these! Suggestions? (Not #LGF because it covers too much).

360 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:17pm

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Might be a good time to open the registration.

Let 'er rip boss!

361 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:26pm

re: #325 talon_262

Love Necromancer...had to read it in college.

I believe you're confusing Neuromancer with The Necronomicon. Both of which sometimes get mixed up with Crytonomicon.

Don't worry, you're all alone.

362 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:26pm

re: #355 Rightwingconspirator

Keep those coming-Great stuff!!
I may have to chorus in with some Reagan or Buckley.

No- they're not great stuff. They're conservative quotes and no one is interested in conservatism.

363 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:33pm

re: #356 talon_262

Damnit...intermingled posts.

/DOH!

364 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:53pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

No- they're not great stuff. They're conservative quotes and no one is interested in conservatism.

Well, us conservatives are. But nobody else is. /

365 thequis  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:16:59pm

The problem that the modern GOP has right now policywise is that they've conflated actions that have worked in the past with actions that will ALWAYS WORK.

Everyone one quotes Reagan "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem" but they leave out the all important "In this present crisis..."

Lower taxes was needed when the tax rate on the highest earning Americans was 90 friggin percent! Less regulation was needed when every single aspect of private enterprise seemingly was covered by a government regulation.

On the other hand, financing war with foreign debt instead of increased productivity from the populace (i.e. higher taxes) and not regulating industries where the short term individual financial gains have insulated the participants from the long term ramifications of their disastrous actions (that affect everyone else) is very harmful. And we've seen the consequence.

Reagan was enough of a pragmatist that he raised taxes when need be (to keep deficits under control). H.W. Bush was denied re-election when he did the absolute right thing and stepped up to the plate, eschewed doctrine, and set forth to raise taxes to cover the cost of Desert Storm.

The GOP has become a collection of ugly guys who watched Brad Pitt use a pick up line get a girl, tried the same the same line and are ANGRY they didn't get the same result.

Sorry for the rant, here's a little Reagan for you.

366 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:17:09pm

'...that if we take from a man the personal responsibility for caring for his material needs, we take from him also the will and the opportunity to be free."

-Barry Goldwater, The Conscience of a Conservative

367 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:17:34pm

2200 retweets?

Flounce-O-Meter™ is fired up on auxiliary power. It is flashing, beeping, smoking and repeating this message:


368 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:17:39pm

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Might be a good time to open the registration.

Oh yeah. The stalkers will be out of course, but I think they'd be overwhelmed with the avalanche of traffic LGF will be getting-- the sock registrations would be a very small fraction, I mean.

369 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:17:47pm

The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.

-Barry Goldwater

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:18:00pm

re: #337 NJDhockeyfan

This is a MNF game! WOW!

371 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:18:07pm

Crying baby, I'm out -- Can't wait to see the Tuesday morning $hit storm this brings.

372 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:18:15pm

re: #348 hydrocarbon hank

Thanks for the heads up -- I've been out of the loop since my wife and I had our first child four months ago. This has been a crazy year to say the least.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

What kind of child?

Oh, I loved those first few months. (Well, they had some major issues but, looking back,..that was parental Eden.)

373 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:18:24pm

re: #368 iceweasel

Oh yeah. The stalkers will be out of course, but I think they'd be overwhelmed with the avalanche of traffic LGF will be getting-- the sock registrations would be a very small fraction, I mean.

Plus, the troll barbecue is officially lit, heated, brushed, and ready for action. I don't often pop in on evening threads, but Charles deserves all the support he can get.

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:18:42pm

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is a MNF game! WOW!

YES!!!

375 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:18pm

re: #372 MandyManners

A perfect little girl...who is now screaming at the top of her lungs.

376 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:22pm

#310 Sharmuta


there are no Atheists in a foxhole and there are no strict free-marketeers in a financial meltdown. Big institutions ran to the government as soon as this started.

Government bailed them out.

The reasonable people - captains of industry and "conservative" professors who would otherwise be championing small government and low taxes are resiled to the fact that only Government will get the economy through because only the government has the deep enough pockets.

When the economic situation gets levelled out and the conditions are right to bring back PAYGO, leading to a balanced budget and then a surplus - then - and only then are the wiser heads going to get back on the wagon.

The reflexively anti-government (not limited but anti) attitude exemplified by the teabagging far right has hunkered the Reasonable people down into small isolated cells. If someone identifies as a "conservative" immediately the modern definition is hurled at them and they have to defend Beck/Palin 2012 as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

just my 2 cents ;-)

377 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:24pm

re: #318 Sharmuta

re: #329 Sharmuta


Both reasons Bush Jr was a horrible president. This conservative would love to see the social cons lose the level of influence they now have over the party.

378 bosforus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:30pm

re: #353 thedopefishlives

Well, I guess one jump couldn't hurt.
v
v
v
v
*splat*

You trickster, you.

379 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:36pm

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is a MNF game! WOW!

The Saints look like the old Patriots.

380 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:37pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

From that thread...

Heh.

Let's try this again ;-P

The thing is, Charles hasn't "changed", the right and the GOP have...Charles only put down a definitive statement of why he doesn't identify with the right, as it currently exists.

381 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:19:54pm

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is a MNF game! WOW!

I used to think Jon Grudin had taken on WAAAY to much of a cheese-turd tone, but he's growing on me.

382 Ferris  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:20:01pm

re: #300 Sharmuta

Reagan wouldn't be attacked here for this stuff?

Presidential hopeful Ronald Reagan told a cheering throng of over 10,000 "born-again" Christians in Dallas that the lack of "that old-time religion" in public schools has led to an increase in human suffering. He was addressing a rally of New Right preachers and politicians from more than 41 states who gathered on August 22nd to participate in a "Roundtable National Affairs Briefing." In reference to the theory of evolution Reagan declared, "I have a great many questions about it. It is a theory, it is a scientific theory only. And in recent years it has been challenged in the world of science and is not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was. I think that recent discoveries down through the years have pointed up great flaws in it." He then added that if the theory of evolution is to be taught in public schools, so should the Biblical version of the origin of human life.

383 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:20:13pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

Hmmm?

Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.
Ronald Reagan

384 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:20:27pm

re: #367 Bagua

2200 retweets?

Flounce-O-Meter™ is fired up on auxiliary power. It is flashing, beeping, smoking and repeating this message:

Heh. Also this has never been more appropriate!

385 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:20:35pm

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is a MNF game! WOW!

DOH!! Satellite's down at the moment due to weather... I wanted to see this one too, I haven't been able to watch the Saints play yet this year.

386 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:20:39pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

Yes- maybe we can pick up a bunch of koslings.

huh?

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:21:05pm

re: #385 Girth

They're pretty good.

388 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:21:29pm

re: #376 wozzablog

If someone identifies as a "conservative" immediately the modern definition is hurled at them and they have to defend Beck/Palin 2012 as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Yeah, but moonbats stole "liberal", which socially Goldwater was, so I can't use that term either. Which would you prefer I steal back?

389 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:21:34pm

re: #386 brookly red

huh?

Daily Kos kids.

390 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:21:34pm

re: #361 Cato the Elder

I believe you're confusing Neuromancer with The Necronomicon. Both of which sometimes get mixed up with Crytonomicon.

Don't worry, you're all alone.

Haha, Cato...I realized my mistake when SFZ replied.

Neuromancer is a great SF book, IMO, though.

391 ThisisMatt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:22:07pm

You are not a conservative because of the others who get the same label. You are a conservative because you believe in conservative principles. You probably have a few ideas I think are nuts. That does not make you my Pat Buchanan. Pat Buchanan is not a conservative anyway. Reactionary loons are a party unto themselves.

392 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:22:15pm

re: #385 Girth

DOH!! Satellite's down at the moment due to weather... I wanted to see this one too, I haven't been able to watch the Saints play yet this year.

The long and short of it: Brees is curb stomping New England. And its oh-so glorious to watch.

/If only Sanchez was this good.

393 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:22:22pm

re: #358 webevintage

That. is. amazing.
What a waste of money.
For $100 we could give each office a supply of nice steel water bottles that they can fill over and over again from the (*gasp*) tap.

Btw, great post Charles...

Not all tap water tastes good. (I fill my bottles through my freezer's water/crushed-ice/cubed-ice dispenser.) So, as another Lizard suggested, let's buy them a Brita system! Fill your suggested bottles therefrom.

394 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:22:34pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

good joke but that's a pretty nasty picture of Sarah Palin.

Not as nasty as her mind.

"What's the ugliest / part / of your body?" --Frank Zappa

395 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:22:38pm

re: #382 Ferris

But applauded for this

I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete.
Ronald Reagan

396 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:22:45pm

re: #365 thequis

The problem that the modern GOP has right now policywise is that they've conflated actions that have worked in the past with actions that will ALWAYS WORK.

The GOP has become a collection of ugly guys who watched Brad Pitt use a pick up line get a girl, tried the same the same line and are ANGRY they didn't get the same result.

Brilliant.

397 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:23:36pm

re: #299 NJDhockeyfan

Yes. Ronald Reagan will always be welcome at LGF. Trying to stir up trouble?

That's a hypothetical. He's dead, you know.

398 RexMundi  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:23:46pm

re: #47 Charles

The haters are already tweeting about this.

What do you expect from a tw@t but a tweet?

399 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:23:51pm

re: #389 Cannadian Club Akbar

Daily Kos kids.


I know what they are thank you... my huh, was for huh?

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:24:31pm

re: #399 brookly red

I know what they are thank you... my huh, was for huh?

My bad.

401 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:24:47pm

re: #395 Rightwingconspirator

But applauded for this

I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete.
Ronald Reagan

Can't put the genie back in the bottle.

402 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:24:55pm

re: #394 Cato the Elder

By the way it's "Cryptonomicon" not "Crytonomicon." Ha, ha... I caught you in a speeling error.

403 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:25:13pm

re: #402 Walter L. Newton

By the way it's "Cryptonomicon" not "Crytonomicon." Ha, ha... I caught you in a speeling error.

Yes, you deed.

404 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:25:14pm

re: #365 thequis

The GOP has become a collection of ugly guys who watched Brad Pitt use a pick up line get a girl, tried the same the same line and are ANGRY they didn't get the same result.

"Hi, I'm Brad Pitt" doesn't work unless you're Brad Pitt (or you're coming on to a really nearsighted girl)

405 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:25:19pm

re: #342 Jimmah

Well said Charles!

Jimmah, a Scottish centre-lefty. (The worst kind of centre-lefty there is ;-))

Aye, the kind who spells it 'centre'!

406 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:25:35pm

re: #384 iceweasel

Heh. Also this has never been more appropriate!

Many giant pillows will be stained with wingnut tears tonight.

/'So I Married an Axe Murderer' reference ;-)

407 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:25:45pm

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

My bad.

no, these are strange times...

408 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:26:05pm

re: #375 hydrocarbon hank

A perfect little girl...who is now screaming at the top of her lungs.

Oh, wonderful!

Before you know it, she'll be asking to borrow the keys to the car and you'll be following her live on the computer. Of course, that computer might be the size of a post card. Or, a postal stamp.

Oh, Hank. Enjoy your new family to the fullest.

409 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:26:10pm

re: #397 Cato the Elder

This is from his grave.

I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every life.
Ronald Reagan

Now who wants to try to tell me he would be unwelcome here?

410 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:26:29pm

re: #399 brookly red

I know what they are thank you... my huh, was for huh?

We're getting traffic from kos from retweets. If registration were opened up at this point, we'd likely get a number of koslings.

411 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:26:42pm

re: #403 Cato the Elder

Yes, you deed.

Just finished wathing "The Man With A Thousand Faces" (Cagney version). I must of watch that film a 100 times when I was growing up. Still enjoyed it after all these years.

412 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:26:56pm

re: #388 Sharmuta

It's unfortunate that "liberal" is now total package too - one word labels do a lot of harm. Liberal economics is not government, government government - classical liberals love free markets. That problem exists to and has been swept under the carpet - kudos for alligning the situations.

As i look at it
Conservative = small (but not anti-government), baby steps incrementalising one way or another socially or economically. I have always viewed Conservatism (from a western european perspective) as a Managerial type of ideology.

Liberal = Government can solve most problems, in favour of radical plans for legislative change.

413 RexMundi  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:27:00pm

re: #52 dartmydog

Let them tweeet

Let them tweet cake!

Sorry couldn't resist. I deserve all the downdings this one generates.

414 thequis  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:27:02pm

re: #404 Alouette

"Hi, I'm Brad Pitt" doesn't work unless you're Brad Pitt (or you're coming on to a really nearsighted girl)

I tried that, and yeah, does not work. At all!

415 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #411 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I trust your tooth is better?

416 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:27:36pm

re: #406 Jimmah

Many giant pillows will be stained with wingnut tears tonight.

/'So I Married an Axe Murderer' reference ;-)

So, Jimmah, was the father in SIMAAM accurately Scottish?

(yes, I know it was Mike Myers in character ;-P)

417 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:27:55pm

re: #412 wozzablog

Have you ever read The Conscience of a Conservative?

418 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:03pm

re: #397 Cato the Elder

That's a hypothetical. He's dead, you know.

He's dead Jim.

419 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Something just occurred to me about my conservative nature. I went ape-shit crazy tonight about the thousands of dollars our elected servants have spent on bottled water. It's a waste of resources, both physical and financial.

In Pelosi's office alone, we spent $2,740.00 for those bottles of water in three months. It's not as if visiting dignitaries and constituents used up all those bottles. The House members and their staff likely were the main consumers.

Given the chance, I--and I suspect many here--could figure out a way to reduce this bit of waste.

I worry much more about waste due to military contracts for equipment and weaponry and kooky projects that will never see the light of day than I do about bottled water. Pelosi could buy a truckload of Evian every day, it would never touch the military-industrial complex. Bottled water and flowers are a grain of sand on the beach.

(and anyone who likes can go ahead and dowding me a million times, I'm not anti-military, I'm anti-military waste)

420 recusancy  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #412 wozzablog

It's unfortunate that "liberal" is now total package too - one word labels do a lot of harm. Liberal economics is not government, government government - classical liberals love free markets. That problem exists to and has been swept under the carpet - kudos for alligning the situations.

As i look at it
Conservative = small (but not anti-government), baby steps incrementalising one way or another socially or economically. I have always viewed Conservatism (from a western european perspective) as a Managerial type of ideology.

Liberal = Government can solve most problems, in favour of radical plans for legislative change.

Conservative = Regulate people. Deregulate business.
Liberal = Regulate business. Deregulate people.

421 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

We're getting traffic from kos from retweets. If registration were opened up at this point, we'd likely get a number of koslings.

and that is good because?

422 Nadnerb  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:34pm

Well, it's about time a bit of a manifesto was heard. It's no crime to say Glenn Beck is a complete, gasoline huffing nut, no crime to call out white supremacists and the connections they make or shine a little light on fundamentalists at work in America, trying to change the Constitution.

LGF is an anti-idiotarian blog, and has therefore exposed the idiots for who they are. Why they are squirming or turning away is obvious. They have to have someone to hate unequivocally.

One thing that takes time in life for this conservative, is to reason and debate without going off the deep end. I sometimes wonder how many die-hard conservatives have any liberal friends. And vice-versa.

423 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:37pm

re: #381 cliffster

I used to think Jon Grudin had taken on WAAAY to much of a cheese-turd tone, but he's growing on me.

Passer ratings with 4:05 left in the game:

Brady- 55.0

Brees- 158.3

(And a shot out for our Austin homeboy Drew! Well done, sir!)

424 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:41pm

Flounce-O-Meter™ audible reports...

System, overload,
Ready on the left?
Caution -- warning -- overload
Metric bypass computes on overload retrace: cause we're Lost in space.

Folks, we are under attack,
This looks like the big one!

425 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:41pm

re: #406 Jimmah

Many giant pillows will be stained with wingnut tears tonight.

Wingnut tears taste like candy!

426 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:28:56pm

re: #416 talon_262

So, Jimmah, was the father in SIMAAM accurately Scottish?

(yes, I know it was Mike Myers in character ;-P)

Yes! Uncannily. Scots love that film.

427 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:06pm

re: #382 Ferris

Ronald Reagan lowered taxes, revived the economy, made our military stronger, was tough on our enemies, and made the country feel proud again. Why get down on him?

428 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:07pm

re: #409 Rightwingconspirator

This is from his grave.

I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every life.
Ronald Reagan

Now who wants to try to tell me he would be unwelcome here?

If he came along with his lying lies about Iran-Contra, I think he might find some hecklers at this site.

Ronald Reagan may have the world's finest sentiment chiseled on his headstone. In life, he was a hypocritical sinner like everyone else.

Don't try to sell me Jesus in a pompadour.

429 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:32pm

re: #425 iceweasel

Wingnut tears taste like candy!

Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of wingnuts living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate

430 FriarsTale  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:35pm

Charles, there is hope
I work with a conservative girl who used to be gung-ho for Beck, but she has slowly realized he's a whacko
I never did much care for the guy

lately I've been turning the radio station at work to classical music

431 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:36pm

re: #404 Alouette

"Hi, I'm Brad Pitt" doesn't work unless you're Brad Pitt (or you're coming on to a really nearsighted girl)

Here's a singles ad I put on Craigslist once...

Hi

Look ladies, I have a problem. I have a date tonight with a woman who is probably way over my dating standards. I mean, she's a knockout and I'm... well... I'm a dreeb. I guess I have been playing around with Photoshop too much, but I did a little "fixing" to my picture, sent it to her and now she wants to meet at the Brown Palace tonight at 6:00pm.

My problem is, nothing is going right over here. I'm trying to get into a size 36 pants (I'm a 42), this "Just for Men" stuff must be "Just for Scientists" because I can't get the color to come out right and I accidently dumped a bottle of Fabarge for Men all over myself. Can Fabreze get that smell off of me?

So, if ANY woman has ANY time to hurry over to my house and dress me, I would be in debt to you forever.

I am 31 years old, 32 inch waist, burnette hair, blue eyes, speak four languages, have a passport and private jet... oh boy... I can't help myself.

Just email me and I'll give you my address and phone number.

Signed...

Brad Pitt (darn it... there I go again).

432 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:39pm

re: #419 WindUpBird

But the rest of government can waste our money so long as the military doesn't? I think all government waste should be stopped. Why single out the military when they all do it?

433 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:29:39pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

At this moment, is that a bad thing? Maybe not. I am largely ignorant of the blog wars so if have asked something of an old wound... sorry.

434 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:30:05pm

re: #421 brookly red

and that is good because?

More people reading LGF is always a good thing. And not every Kosling is a moonbat.

435 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:30:44pm

re: #412 wozzablog

It's unfortunate that "liberal" is now total package too - one word labels do a lot of harm. Liberal economics is not government, government government - classical liberals love free markets. That problem exists to and has been swept under the carpet - kudos for alligning the situations.

As i look at it
Conservative = small (but not anti-government), baby steps incrementalising one way or another socially or economically. I have always viewed Conservatism (from a western european perspective) as a Managerial type of ideology.

Liberal = Government can solve most problems, in favour of radical plans for legislative change.

I would argue that the liberal position is:

Government can solve SOME problems.

Too often the anti-government bits come through from the rightwing with the implication that government is 100% ineffective at achieving any goals, and their involvement is only going to muck things up. And recently, the Becks of the world have been implying that not only will they muck things up with involvement, but they are ACTIVELY working AGAINST the people.

Liberals think that there are some items which are best left to the government (e.g. fire, police, military). The debate is over the changing extent of government control.

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:30:49pm

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

Fantastic!

437 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:30:55pm

re: #381 cliffster

I used to think Jon Grudin had taken on WAAAY to much of a cheese-turd tone, but he's growing on me.

I've always been a Gruden fan as a coach, and I like the analysis he brings to the booth.

438 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:30:55pm

re: #419 WindUpBird

I worry much more about waste due to military contracts for equipment and weaponry and kooky projects that will never see the light of day than I do about bottled water. Pelosi could buy a truckload of Evian every day, it would never touch the military-industrial complex. Bottled water and flowers are a grain of sand on the beach.

(and anyone who likes can go ahead and dowding me a million times, I'm not anti-military, I'm anti-military waste)

Do you have any idea how much more money our federal government is spending than what we make?

439 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:00pm

re: #429 Gus 802

Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of wingnuts living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate

heh.

440 recusancy  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:00pm

I'm a Kosling.

441 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:15pm

re: #428 Cato the Elder

If only the perfect were welcome the registration would be 0, zip, nobody.

442 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:20pm

re: #418 Gus 802

He's dead Jim.

Despite this, he'd probably beat 50% of the Republican field in 2012.

443 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:23pm

re: #415 Rightwingconspirator

Walter, I trust your tooth is better?

Since this morning? Yes. The dentist found that the oral surgeon from last week left a loose bone fragment in the socket, therefore it didn't heal right and I got dry socket and it became infected. So he packed it with medicine and gave me an antibiotic and happy pills. I feel better.

444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:28pm

re: #325 talon_262

Love Necromancer...had to read it in college.

You were ASSIGNED Neuromancer in college?!? AWESOME. I stayed up all night for weeks when I was a teenager reading Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, Count Zero... the classic paperpacks with Rick Berry's pioneering digital art on the cover :D

445 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:34pm

re: #423 austin_blue

Passer ratings with 4:05 left in the game:

Brady- 55.0

Brees- 158.3

(And a shot out for our Austin homeboy Drew! Well done, sir!)

I believe this is the first time in History that 2 teams are 11-0...

446 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:39pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

i'm ashamed to say i haven't. it's on my very long list to read though.

447 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:43pm

re: #384 iceweasel

Heh. Also this has never been more appropriate!

Yes, Flounce-O-Meter™ advises, permissible environment,

Agent JimIce: deploy ButtHurt videos.

448 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:31:53pm

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:00pm

re: #406 Jimmah

Many giant pillows will be stained with wingnut tears tonight.

/'So I Married an Axe Murderer' reference ;-)

It's like an orange on a toothpick!

450 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:10pm

re: #341 jpwhitmore

Charles
But what exactly does this mean besides no longer associating with or supporting the religious right and all the people mentioned above? I've been asking myself this question since I had my own parting with the right and wondered what you think. Because for me at least I feel like my political views haven't changed. It's the people around me. Sorry if someone else has asked something similar in this dense thread.

Three years after your registration and 14 posts you ask these questions. One has to wonder why you popped up this evening? No offense, but if you spent any time here you would know why the question was asked.

451 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:21pm

re: #432 Sharmuta

But the rest of government can waste our money so long as the military doesn't? I think all government waste should be stopped. Why single out the military when they all do it?

How many drive-able clunkers did you and I purchase just to get smashed into rubble?

452 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:41pm

re: #438 cliffster

Do you have any idea how much more money our federal government is spending than what we make?


uhhh yes. I have all this grey mooshy stuff in my skull, and I'm told it actually serves a purpose. 9_9

Do you disagree with the notion of worrying about billions in waste before we worry about thousands in waste?

453 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:42pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

Do it! Do it! Do it!

454 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:42pm

My new "little" grandson looks like Eric Cartman. Gah.

I'm sure he'll be gorgeous, all newborns have a swollen face.

455 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:44pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Since this morning? Yes. The dentist found that the oral surgeon from last week left a loose bone fragment in the socket, therefore it didn't heal right and I got dry socket and it became infected. So he packed it with medicine and gave me an antibiotic and happy pills. I feel better.

I'll bet you feel reeeaaalll happy.

456 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:57pm

re: #420 recusancy

Conservative = Regulate people. Deregulate business.
Liberal = Regulate business. Deregulate people.

Oh, come on.
Liberals want to regulate people and behavior as much as conservatives.
It's just a different set of behaviors.

457 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:32:57pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

You mean to say you haven't had a big enough influx of hate mail from this post? Color me surprised.

458 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #423 austin_blue

Passer ratings with 4:05 left in the game:

Brady- 55.0

Brees- 158.3

(And a shot out for our Austin homeboy Drew! Well done, sir!)

isn't 159 "perfect" passer rating?

They really need to normalize the scale on a -100 to 100 scale.

459 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:10pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Excellent. Sucks when dental goes awry.

460 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:13pm

re: #426 Jimmah

Yes! Uncannily. Scots love that film.

461 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:13pm

re: #415 Rightwingconspirator

Walter, I trust your tooth is better?

Or, have you run out of Vicodein?

462 Digital Display  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:13pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

Do it! I dare you! *wink*

463 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:18pm

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

At this moment, is that a bad thing? Maybe not. I am largely ignorant of the blog wars so if have asked something of an old wound... sorry.

Nope, it's not bad at all. There have been a number of pro-LGF posts on Kos by diarists and at least three positive references by Kos in the last few months. Some of the people there (as on any big site) are nutjobs of course, but not all.
And as mentioned above-- more people reading LGF can only be a good thing.

464 acwgusa  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:27pm

re: #428 Cato the Elder


Don't try to sell me Jesus in a pompadour.

Wow. I just got the weirdest mental image from that line. Now I can't get the image of Jesus with Elvis hair out of my head.

465 Ferris  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:33:38pm

re: #427 NJDhockeyfan

It's funny you think I'm getting down on him. I'm not.

I'm not a religious person but I don't find it disqualifying for positions of public trust (even if they are "creationists").

I was just engaging people who were saying Reagan would be welcome here. Given the level of hostility here to politicians who hold similar beliefs today, I see no reason to think Reagan would be exempt.

466 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:02pm

re: #454 Alouette

My new "little" grandson looks like Eric Cartman. Gah.

I'm sure he'll be gorgeous, all newborns have a swollen face.

Oh, he's quite beautiful!
I wanna reach out and give him a hug.

467 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:03pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

Glutton!

468 EastSider  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:08pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

You could try it, and have a "1 post no banning" open thread to discuss tonight's events.

Let the world see just how crazy the crazies are.

469 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:10pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

Give it a day or two. You'll be swamped flicking off the idiots for a long time...well unless the point is to have a fun time with it, then go ahead.

470 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:25pm

re: #434 iceweasel

More people reading LGF is always a good thing. And not every Kosling is a moonbat.

There are 'koslings' here on LGF already. I don't think it's for any poster here to take it upon themselves to try to make them feel unwelcome. LGF has been appealing to a broader range of contributers from both left an right of centre for a long time now.

471 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:31pm

re: #452 WindUpBird

uhhh yes. I have all this grey mooshy stuff in my skull, and I'm told it actually serves a purpose. 9_9

Do you disagree with the notion of worrying about billions in waste before we worry about thousands in waste?

"One office" vs "Defending US Interests The World Over".

472 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:36pm

re: #448 Charles

I'm very tempted to open registration, just to see if things will finally get weird enough for me.

I think Peak Weird might hit tomorrow, when this post is climbing memeorandum. Just a guess though...

473 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:37pm

re: #441 Rightwingconspirator

If only the perfect were welcome the registration would be 0, zip, nobody.

Doubtless.

Just don't try to sell me your Conservative Spirit of Christmas Past. I was there. I remember Reagan. He is one of the principle founders of Al Qaeda.

"Blowback" is not just a description of an aged actor's hairdo, you know.

474 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:39pm

re: #456 reine.de.tout

Oh, come on.
Liberals want to regulate people and behavior as much as conservatives.
It's just a different set of behaviors.

But the liberals think the money in your pocket belongs to them.

475 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:47pm

re: #455 EmmmieG

I'll bet you feel reeeaaalll happy.

I'm fine. I have a high tolerance for pain killers, so it really takes a good dose for me to get a good buzz going.

By the way, my mail server has been hiccuping this evening and I sent you an email earlier that bounced... so I'll ask you here...

Did you get your package of rocks?

476 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #421 brookly red

and that is good because?

What if they're anti-Israel, she said in a tiny little voice.

/not at all

477 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:35:12pm

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

At this moment, is that a bad thing? Maybe not. I am largely ignorant of the blog wars so if have asked something of an old wound... sorry.

We wouldn't know until they were here. Maybe some of them will even tolerate conservatives.

478 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:35:12pm

Linked at Boing Boing: [Link: www.boingboing.net...]

479 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:35:16pm

re: #434 iceweasel

More people reading LGF is always a good thing. And not every Kosling is a moonbat.

OK, I won't argue with that premise... would you pass me a can of that new coke please?

480 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:35:25pm

re: #456 reine.de.tout

PC tyranny. Just as odious as Jerry Falwell.

481 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:35:34pm

re: #454 Alouette

My new "little" grandson looks like Eric Cartman. Gah.

Hee...
He's perfect!

482 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:02pm

re: #459 Rightwingconspirator

Excellent. Sucks when dental goes awry.

But on the plus side it, dentistry, is proof positive against Intelligent Design.

483 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:29pm

re: #440 recusancy

I'm a Kosling.

/no shit?

484 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:37pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

We wouldn't know until they were here. Maybe some of them will even tolerate conservatives.

I believe Keith Gabryelski is/was a kosling. And I find him to be quite agreeable, even when we don't agree.

485 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:40pm

re: #465 Ferris

It's funny you think I'm getting down on him. I'm not.

I'm not a religious person but I don't find it disqualifying for positions of public trust (even if they are "creationists").

I was just engaging people who were saying Reagan would be welcome here. Given the level of hostility here to politicians who hold similar beliefs today, I see no reason to think Reagan would be exempt.

I find that a good reason to distrust that particular politician. I don't generally like voting on single issues, but this issue in particular tells me the politician cannot think outside their religion.

486 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #448 Charles

And, if that doesn't get wierd enough?
Do you have a back up plan?
LOL!

487 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #461 Naso Tang

Or, have you run out of Vicodein?

See #443

488 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:45pm

re: #432 Sharmuta

But the rest of government can waste our money so long as the military doesn't? I think all government waste should be stopped. Why single out the military when they all do it?

I don't want waste anywhere. I just believe that there's a great deal of waste in our military that is off limits to talk about for political and pork reasons. Because we want a strong military, because it's ideologically consistent with most peoples' views of America, it's easy to overlook or justify the waste in the military.

And I certainly don't see the point in, as I said above, worrying about 30 grand in spending on refreshments in a few months from Pelosi or Boehner's office as we're flushing billions down the toilet.

In painting, you're always told to start with big gestures and then worry about detail later.

489 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:36:59pm

re: #479 brookly red

OK, I won't argue with that premise... would you pass me a can of that new coke please?

Here you go. The first grilled troll is now ready. What slices do you want?

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:13pm

re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist

It's like an orange on a toothpick!

I saw SIMAAM for the first time in the theater in Ireland. I myself am from SF. It was insane.

Plus, they don't have theater popcorn in Ireland, which is really hard to handle.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:13pm

Ugh. Next week? Baltimore/Green Bay.

492 jpwhitmore  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:21pm

re: #450 Naso Tang

Not exactly sure what you're implying. I kind of stopped reading for a while until the '08 elections but since then I read every day. My point was I feel lost. There is no political movement I can identify with. I don't dare call myself a conservative anymore nor a republican. So what now? That is what I was asking.

493 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:27pm

re: #447 Bagua

Yes, Flounce-O-Meter™ advises, permissible environment,

Agent JimIce: deploy ButtHurt videos.

heh. Here's the Orange Alert, featuring O'reilly.

494 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:30pm

re: #473 Cato the Elder

We were both "there". Seeing things differently obviously. But I'd rather debate the future or the present.

495 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:34pm

re: #485 BryanS

I find that a good reason to distrust that particular politician. I don't generally like voting on single issues, but this issue in particular tells me the politician cannot think outside their religion.

Would you have distrusted Newton, he was big into proving the date of the end of the world.

496 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:43pm

re: #460 talon_262

Great clip, even though it reproduces the heinous lie that the Bay City Rollers were in any way connected with Scotland. ;-)

497 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:37:57pm

re: #481 webevintage

Hee...
He's perfect!

He's big-boned.

498 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #465 Ferris


I was just engaging people who were saying Reagan would be welcome here. Given the level of hostility here to politicians who hold similar beliefs today, I see no reason to think Reagan would be exempt.

Well, I for one would be strongly critical of some of RWR's policies were he in office today. As a human though he appeared to be far classier than the average tea partier today.

499 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:38:36pm

re: #425 iceweasel

Wingnut tears taste like candy!

Wingnuts on the beach, there's nothing better
But I like wingnuts when it's wrapped in a sweater
Some day soon I'll make you mine,
Then I'll have wingnuts all the time

I want wingnuts, I want wingnuts
I want wingnuts, I want wingnuts...

/Bow Wow Wow - OK, relax folks this is a joke. ;)

//

500 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:39:10pm

re: #488 WindUpBird

I don't want waste anywhere. I just believe that there's a great deal of waste in our military that is off limits to talk about for political and pork reasons. Because we want a strong military, because it's ideologically consistent with most peoples' views of America, it's easy to overlook or justify the waste in the military.

And I certainly don't see the point in, as I said above, worrying about 30 grand in spending on refreshments in a few months from Pelosi or Boehner's office as we're flushing billions down the toilet.

In painting, you're always told to start with big gestures and then worry about detail later.

Silly man. Anything the military asks for, it gets. The military is sacred. Nothing is too good for our men and women in uniform.

Except for decent psychiatrists who don't shoot them.

501 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:39:22pm

re: #296 avanti

I don't disagree with you, but many have tried, and failed. Just a simple change to allow Medicare allow competition for drugs and equipment could save billions, but neither side can get a bill passed to allow it. Punishing agencies with money left in their budget is another small example. If they have a million left over, then their budget might be reduced by a million, so they spend it on crap.

Or, if an actual cut threatens to come into being, they simply shut down their essential services, to extort the funding back into their budget. Which is why the Park Service will close national monuments for "lack of funding", but continue to boot cars.

502 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:39:42pm

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh. Next week? Baltimore/Green Bay.

That will be good.(MNF) ESPN just said Bobby Bowden will retire from FSU tomorrow, BTW.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #497 Alouette

So's a Stegosaurus.
/
Really, congrats.

My son was three weeks early, 9lbs 3 ozs. Was in a preemie ward. I swear, he looked like he could eat the other babies.

504 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #492 jpwhitmore

Not exactly sure what you're implying. I kind of stopped reading for a while until the '08 elections but since then I read every day. My point was I feel lost. There is no political movement I can identify with. I don't dare call myself a conservative anymore nor a republican. So what now? That is what I was asking.

We are politically homeless. We have nothing to identify with.

505 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:12pm

re: #495 Walter L. Newton

Would you have distrusted Newton, he was big into proving the date of the end of the world.

As a politician, yes.

And he got the law of gravity wrong--the silly fool //

506 aristopheles  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:13pm

Charles -

I wrote you a while back asking for something exactly like this. I don't necessarily disagree with most of your current points, although I do disagree with where you've taken them. On the other hand, I very much appreciate your having written this out. Bravo, and many thanks.

507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:31pm

re: #502 Cannadian Club Akbar

That will be good.(MNF) ESPN just said Bobby Bowden will retire from FSU tomorrow, BTW.

Charlie got fired from Notre Dame.

508 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:35pm

re: #423 austin_blue

Passer ratings with 4:05 left in the game:

Brady- 55.0

Brees- 158.3

(And a shot out for our Austin homeboy Drew! Well done, sir!)

Speaking about Texans, how did you like Vince Young's performance last night? He pulled it out for the Titans with that final drive and the pass to Britt in the end zone with time expired...

/as a Nashvillian and a Titans fan, I'm loving it

509 Bob Dillon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:37pm

re: #478 Charles

Linked at Boing Boing: [Link: www.boingboing.net...]

"An extraordinary moment in the political blogosphere,"

Moment?

LGF is an island of sanity - Thanks Charles.

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:43pm

re: #486 Floral Giraffe

And, if that doesn't get wierd enough?
Do you have a back up plan?
LOL!

I have a backup plan. It starts with all the Lizards drinking three shots of tequila. Then we all go over to the bad blog of our choice--left, right, don't matter none.

Then the fun starts!

///I don't have any tequila. I've got some grappa.

511 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:45pm

re: #502 Cannadian Club Akbar

That will be good.(MNF) ESPN just said Bobby Bowden will retire from FSU tomorrow, BTW.

WHAT?!?! I thought he was gonna hold on for another year.

512 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:40:49pm

re: #489 Dark_Falcon

Here you go. The first grilled troll is now ready. What slices do you want?

the left brain please... oh and some fava beans if you would be so kind.

513 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:04pm

re: #477 Sharmuta

a very good friend of mine has a Kos diary and when i I read him i surf a couple of threads once a week. does that make me a kosling?

514 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:05pm

re: #473 Cato the Elder
One more thing.
Osama founded Al Qaeda. Helping the Afghans as a part of superpower policy happens to be a current policy as well. Shall we blame Obama for afghan heroine on our streets? Seems the same.

515 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:12pm

re: #487 Walter L. Newton

See #443

Shit happens. Sorry.

516 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:23pm

re: #488 WindUpBird

GAH! You're making sense, and I had to upding you!

517 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:44pm

re: #496 Jimmah

Great clip, even though it reproduces the heinous lie that the Bay City Rollers were in any way connected with Scotland. ;-)

The Bay City Rollers weren't that bad ;-P

518 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:41:59pm

re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw SIMAAM for the first time in the theater in Ireland. I myself am from SF. It was insane.

Plus, they don't have theater popcorn in Ireland, which is really hard to handle.

Really? That is weird!
They sell beer though, right? (theatres I've been to in england have).

519 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:42:04pm

re: #513 wozzablog

a very good friend of mine has a Kos diary and when i I read him i surf a couple of threads once a week. does that make me a kosling?

I'm a conservative. Does that make me a leper?

520 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:42:21pm

re: #511 Girth

WHAT?!?! I thought he was gonna hold on for another year.

Got me. You in Florida?

521 nogendavid  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:42:31pm

Reminds me (if I recall correctly) of a passage in Gore Vidal's biography of Lincoln, where the narrator character is so offended by the fanaticism and intolerance of an abolitions that he become antiabolitionist.

But the question for the narrator remained what affirmatively to think and do about slavery and secession.

Fair enough to identify nuttiness on the right, but the fact that a position is held by a right wing nut does not in itself show it is mistaken. Obama's views on foreign policy are misguided and mistaken. Beating up on allies (UK, Israel, Czech Republic, Poland) and deal gently with enemy regimes, apologzing constantly for the US' past, failing to present a credible moral or military threat to Iran's nuclear regimes...these are more than serious problems. The prospect of a final Holocaust, launched by the genuinely insane regime in Iran is not vitiated by the lunacy of populist "right wing" nutbars. It is not irrational to have oncerns about whether Obama is an abject failure in dealing with any of it - by genuinely supporting t he democracy movement and convincing Iran there is a real price to be paid.

And is not wrong either to be extremely concerned about the consequences of t he fiscal reckleness of the current Democratic regime, which outruns by orders of magnitude the irresponsibility of the Republicans over the last decade - which in itself was deplorable.
American cannot survive as a great power - and historically it has been a great power for good - when it is debilitated fiscallly and dependence on the kindness of foreign debtors.

Strangely enough, C harles, I mostly stopped reading and posting on LGF for a while because at times there seemed to be too many posts that were moving in a Beckian direction. But with genuine respect, which you may not reciprocate, there remains an abiding truth to many LGF's values: among them opposition to religious intolerance, concern for rationalism and accuracy in reporting, support for an existentially threatened Israel.

The only point on your list that I disagree with -- and no doubt th is will bring on the usual splay of downdings and ad hominen attacks - is that I do think a reasonable person, and not only irrationalists, can have serious questions about the reliability and precision of projections concerning climate change and the role human activity has to play in it. I have read your comments seriously, reviewed more of the the literature, and even if my non-expert assessment turns out to be mistaken, I do think agnostics like me deserve to be typecast and dismissed on an ad hominem basis rather than responded to on the merits. And it is in my view important to be concerned about excessivel climatic pessmisim, because the measures we take to address global warming can have their own consequences. Growth has more t han material advantages - it prolongs life, diminishes misery and creates societies that are more sympathetic to environmental protection.

Sorry if I flunk the 10/10 purity test, Charles, and respond as you wish, I will continue to be grateful for what LGF has already accomplished. I am not a purity tester myself, and intend to keep checking in.

522 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:42:40pm

re: #507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charlie got fired from Notre Dame.

Weis was a dead man walking for weeks.

523 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:42:49pm

re: #506 aristopheles

I don't necessarily disagree with most of your current points, although I do disagree with where you've taken them.

Where have they been taken? Inquiring minds want to know.

524 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:43:01pm

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

I'm fine. I have a high tolerance for pain killers, so it really takes a good dose for me to get a good buzz going.

By the way, my mail server has been hiccuping this evening and I sent you an email earlier that bounced... so I'll ask you here...

Did you get your package of rocks?

Yes, I did. I should have sent you an email. Very very sorry if I didn't.

525 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:43:18pm

I can't get over how cool it is that William Gibson tweeted this. Wow!

526 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:43:32pm

re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, get going then!
LOL!

527 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:43:51pm

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

528 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:43:56pm

re: #508 talon_262

Speaking about Texans, how did you like Vince Young's performance last night? He pulled it out for the Titans with that final drive and the pass to Britt in the end zone with time expired...

/as a Nashvillian and a Titans fan, I'm loving it

Vince is THE MAN.

529 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:44:17pm

re: #521 nogendavid

Are you f**king kidding me?

530 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:44:21pm

re: #521 nogendavid

I dinged you down for calling it a purity test.

531 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:44:28pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

Commie!

532 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:44:41pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

Commie asshole!

533 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:44:57pm

The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.
- Ronald Reagan

534 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:45:11pm

re: #530 Sharmuta

I dinged you down for calling it a purity test.

That's risible, coming from you.

535 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:45:25pm

re: #513 wozzablog

a very good friend of mine has a Kos diary and when i I read him i surf a couple of threads once a week. does that make me a kosling?

I suspect a lot of people who condemn the whole site don't realise just how gigantic it is.

536 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:45:42pm

re: #512 brookly red

the left brain please... oh and some fava beans if you would be so kind.

Certainly. Would you like Chianti with that?

537 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:45:45pm

re: #508 talon_262

Speaking about Texans, how did you like Vince Young's performance last night? He pulled it out for the Titans with that final drive and the pass to Britt in the end zone with time expired...

/as a Nashvillian and a Titans fan, I'm loving it

My aunt & uncle have had season tickets to the Titans since they moved there. They are huge fans.

538 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:45:48pm

re: #478 Charles

Linked at Boing Boing: [Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Cory Doctorow and Gibson are tight as ticks. Not surprised at that link. Next up will be Beyond the Beyond (Sterling) and Rudy Rucker's musings.

539 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:14pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

You drove the wackys away, avanti.

540 recusancy  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:18pm

re: #533 Racer X

The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.
- Ronald Reagan

Spending didn't decrease during his administration.

541 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:22pm

re: #533 Racer X

Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders.
Ronald Reagan

542 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:36pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

We are politically homeless. We have nothing to identify with.

Ain’t go no home,
in this world anymore

543 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:37pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

You're a commie.

Feel better?

544 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:44pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

Commie! Pinko!

//
Since when have you ever fought tooth and nail with anyone? You're a gentleman even in the heat of battle. :)

545 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:49pm

Wow Charles. I'm late to the party tonight and haven't through the thread. But I wanted to say bravo! And thanks for putting it succinctly and in a list that explains point by point what you're parting from. Anyone with an ounce of sanity would part from that too.

546 acwgusa  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:46:59pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

You're not a commie. You're rational and have reasoned discourse. Communists are scary fanatics.

547 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:01pm

re: #540 recusancy

Well of course not. Congress spends too.

548 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:07pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

You can do that on Hot Air, but Charles has a much better blog due to his ability to "roll his own".

But you'd know that already if you weren't a Commie :) //

549 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:07pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

i identify entirely.
i am politically homeless in the UK on the Sane Left after the Labour party started cross dressing.

I have empathy from the other sdie of the political spectrum. You keep hanging on hoping things will turn around - you look around for the faces at the front who you could relate with and slowly they dissapear and the people in the party around you change until you have nothing in common with them. People who were on your side adapt to the new, stay stock still or leave - either way it's unfortunately very lonely.

In the UK we have a mainstream third party that picks off dissafected from either side - in the US it looks a much rougher field to till.

550 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:07pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

We are politically homeless. We have nothing to identify with.

You have nothing to lose but your lawn sign.

551 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:14pm

re: #508 talon_262

Speaking about Texans, how did you like Vince Young's performance last night? He pulled it out for the Titans with that final drive and the pass to Britt in the end zone with time expired...

/as a Nashvillian and a Titans fan, I'm loving it

Vince needed to grow up, and sitting on the sidelines may have done it. 23-11 as a starter? Not bad, eh?

552 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:17pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

Silly man. Anything the military asks for, it gets. The military is sacred. Nothing is too good for our men and women in uniform.

Except for decent psychiatrists who don't shoot them.

Or body armor. Or enough money for their families to live on. Or someone to feed their dog while they're away. Or...well, you know. Stuff that costs money.

Thank God wearing patriotic accessories and crying about how much you love the troops doesn't cost any money.

/bitter. My BIL has now got a second job as a fry cook, you know, in his spare time from serving his country. Last year he was overseas, next year he'll be overseas...I think this is his fourth deployment.

553 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:23pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

Nope.

554 Ferris  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:33pm

re: #498 freetoken

Well, I for one would be strongly critical of some of RWR's policies were he in office today. As a human though he appeared to be far classier than the average tea partier today.

Be that as it may, I was simply responding to Sharmuta @235

re: #226 winemaker

How would Ronald Reagan have fared at LGF? Not well, which is illustrative.

Bullshit! Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.

Look at Charles' first 6 points. Given criticism of Reagan during his time, he would have failed those (the rest are more or less specific to today and it's not fair to compare Reagan to today's Republicans and conservatives in those unknowable areas)

555 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:45pm

re: #547 Rightwingconspirator

Well of course not. Congress spends too.

Revenue bills start in the House.

556 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:47:49pm

re: #540 recusancy

Spending didn't decrease during his administration.

Berlin Walls did though

557 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:48:35pm

re: #528 cliffster

Vince is THE MAN.

While I've trusted Jeff Fisher's judgment and still hold it in high regard, I'm glad Bud Adams went over his head to have VY put in as the starter after we went 0-6 under Collins. I'm glad VY got his head together since he was benched last season, because the man has talent...and it shows.

/winning solves a lot of things...

558 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:48:42pm

re: #556 cliffster

Berlin Walls did though

So did taxes.

559 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:48:45pm

re: #547 Rightwingconspirator

Well of course not. Congress spends too.

What?!?

I thought Obama has his own personal Visa card (Aluminum?).

560 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:03pm

re: #555 Sharmuta

Interestingly revenues did hit records at the time. After a huge tax cut.

561 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:05pm

That's a pretty big laundry list of Crazy that the Repubs have to keep swept under the rug.

I tried explaining the Robert Stacy McPain thing to my live-in domestic unit, and she somehow thought it was all guilt by association, and that it was silly to look down on Sarah Palin for her ghostwriter being a colleague of a Neo-Confederate racist shitbag. I tried to paint a correct picture for her of how the right has gone nuttier than a squirrel's Christmas cake, but I suck at explaining stuff.

re: #324 Charles

William Gibson: [Link: twitter.com...]

William Gibson follows LGF (at least a little bit)? Bitchin'.

562 aristopheles  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:17pm

523 (sorry, I don't know how to do the linking to prior posts) - I think I'd generally agree with nogendavid's evaluation in comment 521. Basically, I don't have too much of a beef with a lot of the people Charles has a problem with. What bothers me is that I think there are more urgent issues to cover, and by focusing on the less important, the more important becomes trivialized or ignored. I can appreciate an argument that Charles's current foci are terribly important in that, for the civilizational good guys to win, some minimum of decency is required on the side of the angels. I differ with Charles about where to draw that line, which is why I don't find LGF as relevant or useful as I did.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:38pm

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So's a Stegosaurus.
/
Really, congrats.

My son was three weeks early, 9lbs 3 ozs. Was in a preemie ward. I swear, he looked like he could eat the other babies.

One of my coworkers is due Jan. 8. She was out today--early contractions. The administration is in a panic. Did they not NOTICE she was pregnant? She's a tiny little thing, and currently looks like a VW Beetle turned on its side. But in a sweater, and more intellectual.

564 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #552 SanFranciscoZionist

Or body armor. Or enough money for their families to live on. Or someone to feed their dog while they're away. Or...well, you know. Stuff that costs money.

Thank God wearing patriotic accessories and crying about how much you love the troops doesn't cost any money.

/bitter. My BIL has now got a second job as a fry cook, you know, in his spare time from serving his country. Last year he was overseas, next year he'll be overseas...I think this is his fourth deployment.

Are you saying a yellow ribbon on the back of an Escalade doesn't make him forget all his sorrows, forget all his troubles, forget all his trials, and do the Snoopy dance?

Damn.

565 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

We are politically homeless. We have nothing to identify with.

Horsefeathers.

I don't know else but, I'm able to figure out how to vote when the time comes to make my mark.

566 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:49pm

re: #535 iceweasel

I suspect a lot of people who condemn the whole site don't realise just how gigantic it is.

Size matters?

567 acwgusa  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:51pm

Dammit, Arrington!

The End Of The CrunchPad

I had money set aside for this!

568 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:57pm

re: #562 aristopheles

(sorry, I don't know how to do the linking to prior posts)

Try clicking on the "reply" or "quote" button.

569 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:49:58pm

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
- Ronald Reagan

570 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:50:10pm

re: #536 Dark_Falcon

Certainly. Would you like Chianti with that?

yes thank you, you make for a fine host... perhaps we should have a friend for dinner next time?

571 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:50:24pm

re: #562 aristopheles

Well, you can always go to Hot Air if you want to discuss what color dress Michelle Obama wore.

572 nines09  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:50:28pm

There used to be a middle ground. I follow neither left nor right blindly, and am amazed at the lack of shame on both sides of the aisle. Both parties have dirty hands, act as if an election is a coronation, and spend our money like drunken sailors. I mean no disrespect to drunken sailors.
Should be interesting.

573 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:50:54pm

re: #560 Rightwingconspirator

Interestingly revenues did hit records at the time. After a huge tax cut.

Weird how that works, isn't it? Let's raise taxes on the rich and pay for some health care.

574 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:51:14pm

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

Size matters?

Depends. Metric system, or good old normal system? :)
Glad your tooth is better Walter!

575 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:51:24pm

If you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old, you don't have a brain.
- Francois Guisot

576 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:51:34pm

re: #492 jpwhitmore

Not exactly sure what you're implying. I kind of stopped reading for a while until the '08 elections but since then I read every day. My point was I feel lost. There is no political movement I can identify with. I don't dare call myself a conservative anymore nor a republican. So what now? That is what I was asking.

You are growing out of those simplistic ideals you had, that is all. Suck it in and do what you think is right, as daddy might have said.

:=)

577 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:51:52pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

Silly man. Anything the military asks for, it gets. The military is sacred. Nothing is too good for our men and women in uniform.

Except for decent psychiatrists who don't shoot them.

Pushing the envelope, I see.

578 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:52:05pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

/runs avanti off the road with his big ol' Chevy pickup

"COMMIE LIBURL!"

579 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:52:07pm

re: #521 nogendavid

I up-dinged you.

580 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:52:08pm

re: #518 iceweasel

Really? That is weird!
They sell beer though, right? (theatres I've been to in england have).

Yeah. Beer you can have. Even popcorn in bags, but not popped in the theater normal popcorn.

Many things I like about Ireland. That's not one of them.

581 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:52:27pm

No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
Ronald Reagan

582 aristopheles  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:02pm

re: #571 Gus 802

Thanks for the advice Sharmuta, and Gus 802, I could care less about Michelle Obama's dress. I care a lot about what her husband is going to do about Iran's drive to get nuclear weapons. I used to read LGF to get caught up on major developments with regard to topics like that. Now I don't, because that's apparently not as interesting to Charles as it used to be. That's completely fair; I was just explaining my own evolution with regard to LGF. Like I said, I am very grateful for his having posted the list which started this thread.

583 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:08pm

re: #501 The Sanity Inspector

Or, if an actual cut threatens to come into being, they simply shut down their essential services, to extort the funding back into their budget. Which is why the Park Service will close national monuments for "lack of funding", but continue to boot cars.

Sometimes waste is accidental. I once ordered a circuit board for a microwave relay site, not knowing they had been out of production for many years. I really just wanted a spare and was not disappointed when it did not show up for a few months. It finally arrived, a one-off remake by a contractor, it was now $22,000 item, not a few hundred. A few months later we installed new transmitters and in the trash went the board with the old transmitters.
Supply would call all the technicians down to supply about once a year for free electronics that were going to be dumped at sea. It would break my heart to see millions of dollars in surplus obsolete stuff trashed.

584 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:21pm

re: #555 Sharmuta

Revenue bills start in the House.

The '92 Republicans did good on spending, and the 2000 and after Republicans stunk up the joint.

Republican congress with a Democrat in the white house seemed like a good way to control spending while keeping a check on the crazy.

585 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:28pm

re: #562 aristopheles

523 (sorry, I don't know how to do the linking to prior posts) - I think I'd generally agree with nogendavid's evaluation in comment 521. Basically, I don't have too much of a beef with a lot of the people Charles has a problem with. What bothers me is that I think there are more urgent issues to cover, and by focusing on the less important, the more important becomes trivialized or ignored. I can appreciate an argument that Charles's current foci are terribly important in that, for the civilizational good guys to win, some minimum of decency is required on the side of the angels. I differ with Charles about where to draw that line, which is why I don't find LGF as relevant or useful as I did.

The usual response to that is that you should go start your own blog and draw your own lines.

586 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:36pm

re: #570 brookly red

yes thank you, you make for a fine host... perhaps we should have a friend for dinner next time?

Indeed, next time we should make a stalker troll the guest of honor at our feast. Broiled or stir fried?

587 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:42pm

re: #575 Racer X

re: #581 Rightwingconspirator

Yall are making me very depressed

588 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:45pm

re: #573 cliffster

Who cut income taxes more than anyone in the modern era?

Kennedy!

589 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:46pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

upding for a pleasing mental image

looks like a VW Beetle turned on its side. But in a sweater, and more intellectual.

590 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:56pm

re: #531 Gus 802

Commie!

Good.

591 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:53:59pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

Yes- maybe we can pick up a bunch of koslings.

And you never know, a few of 'em might be mature and open-minded enough to give the lgf forum a try. A few might even change their minds about something.

592 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:54:20pm

re: #588 Rightwingconspirator

Who cut income taxes more than anyone in the modern era?

Kennedy!

To be sure, I think the upper bracket was over 80% (90%?)

593 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:54:24pm

re: #582 aristopheles

Thanks for the advice Sharmuta, and Gus 802, I could care less about Michelle Obama's dress. I care a lot about what her husband is going to do about Iran's drive to get nuclear weapons. I used to read LGF to get caught up on major developments with regard to topics like that. Now I don't, because that's apparently not as interesting to Charles as it used to be. That's completely fair; I was just explaining my own evolution with regard to LGF. Like I said, I am very grateful for his having posted the list which started this thread.

You should read the threads. We discuss those topics all the time.

594 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:54:30pm

re: #581 Rightwingconspirator

No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
Ronald Reagan

I don't have anything to add... just wanted to see this posted one more time.

595 aristopheles  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:54:58pm

re: #585 Naso Tang

I'm sorry Naso, I thought you were interested in clarification of my first comment. I guess not. This kind of exchange is one reason I rarely comment, and will shortly drop out here.

596 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:55:13pm

re: #584 BryanS

I think you mean 94, and the fisc-cons got the boot with Newt Gingrich.

597 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:55:27pm
I won’t be going over the cliff with them.

Nor should the establishment Republican party. McCain's nomination was two steps back from the edge. Palin's selection was half a step toward it. The Obama administration is on track to deliver into Republican hands the makings of a substantial comeback. The question will then be whether the Republicans can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

It takes a brave soul to bet that the answer is "no". But after a few lessons, there's bound to be some learning.

Republicans can offer a responsible alternative to Dems on AGW by calling for technical solutions rather than cap-and-trade nonsense, NIMBY flinching at the actual building of wind farms or nuclear plants, and feel-good foolery like Kyoto and now Copenhagen.

Republicans can offer a responsible alternative to Dems on health care by calling for portability, for ending the tie-in between work and insurance and the odd practice of making health care expenditures tax free only when they jump through that particular loophole, and by calling for tort reform.

Republicans can offer a responsible alternative to Dem war policy, if it turns out to be poor policy, but first Obama will have to make a decision. So far, he doesn't have a policy, unless you call drift a policy.

Republicans can offer real education reform by backing merit pay for teachers and school systems. This must be thought out carefully, because it is not fair to reward teachers whose students do well and would have done better with almost anyone else, while punishing teachers whose students do badly but would have done worse with almost anyone else. Good teaching is teaching that results in more measurable progress by the class than would normally have been expected based on past experience with the students in question. Republicans can even pander to the base while not trashing school---just bang away at distortions in the history curriculum and steer the conversation away from evolution, the big bang, and other hot button issues with the know-nothing wing of the GOP. This wing is actually right on a few points, particularly with respect to instruction in history. (The U.S. did not in fact nuke North Korea during the Korean war. Many other fanciful claims have made their way into texts.)

Republicans can offer a responsible alternative to the Dems on fiscal policy. But they don't have to. Almost anything they might come up with will look good compared to the torrent of spending that accomplishes nothing that is now in progress.

598 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:55:28pm

re: #569 Racer X

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
- Ronald Reagan

I read Marx and Lenin to understand them, and thus a Catch 22.

599 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:55:36pm

re: #556 cliffster

Berlin Walls did though

Well, yes, but that's because people went out there with sledgehammers. If they did that with spending, it'd...

Let me start this thought over.

600 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:55:47pm

The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money.
- Margaret Thatcher

601 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:55:49pm

re: #552 SanFranciscoZionist

Or body armor. Or enough money for their families to live on. Or someone to feed their dog while they're away. Or...well, you know. Stuff that costs money.

Thank God wearing patriotic accessories and crying about how much you love the troops doesn't cost any money.

/bitter. My BIL has now got a second job as a fry cook, you know, in his spare time from serving his country. Last year he was overseas, next year he'll be overseas...I think this is his fourth deployment.

I have a more serious reply than my "Snoopy dance" quip above.

On Veterans' Day, when all the wankers were crying about how much they luuurve this country and falling all over themselves to thank our soldiers, sailors, airmen, submariners, SEALs, Special Forces and fry cooks for their service, I suggested, here and on Facebook, that people take a hard look at that homeless guy stationed near the entrance to the freeway you take every day.

I mentioned a specific man, who holds a certain place, day after day in Baltimore. I know his story.

And people (not here) told me that he was a fake vet and a fraud and I was a dupe for bringing him food and money.

No yellow ribbon or pious sentiment is too good for our men and women in uniform.

602 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:14pm

re: #591 eclectic infidel

A few might even change their minds about something.

Like what?

603 Johnny Empire  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:14pm

Problem is, we're stuck in the two-party system. One party is far-left crazy and the other is far-right crazy. Any third-parties that appear end up being even harder-left or right.

So what is to be done?

604 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:18pm

re: #594 brookly red

I don't have anything to add... just wanted to see this posted one more time.

Tenacious D:

This is not The Greatest Song in the World, no.
This is just a tribute.

605 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:31pm

re: #521 nogendavid

Great thing is that you don't have to go 10 of 10 on purity. It's the 0 fer's with personal attacks that are the bane of reason.

I too turned my liberal friend onto LGF. He now shares in the exchange of reason.

As a skeptic I feel LGF is my home.

606 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:31pm

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, next time we should make a stalker troll the guest of honor at our feast. Broiled or stir fried?

oh, I was thinking par-boiled & then some BBQ... I got the time.

607 aristopheles  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:37pm

re: #593 njdhockeyfan

Good point! I don't have time to read hundreds of comments though - I hardly ever read the comments threads, just the main posts. This topic was something I'd been dying to read, so as you can see, I got interested in the comments as well. My critique comes as a more casual LGF reader than most of the people here.

608 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:56:47pm

re: #598 avanti

I read Marx and Lenin to understand them, and thus a Catch 22.

Cool.

Are you a communist or an anti-communist?

609 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:01pm

re: #574 iceweasel

Depends. Metric system, or good old normal system? :)
Glad your tooth is better Walter!

Metric system for accuracy, duodecimal system for making an impression!

610 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:24pm

re: #595 aristopheles

I'm sorry Naso, I thought you were interested in clarification of my first comment. I guess not. This kind of exchange is one reason I rarely comment, and will shortly drop out here.

Whine, whine, whine... look, this is not your blog, Charles posts what he wants when he wants to... if you don't like the tone and tenor of this blog, week to week, month to month... then no one is forcing you to be here, are they?

611 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:28pm

re: #595 aristopheles

I'm sorry Naso, I thought you were interested in clarification of my first comment. I guess not. This kind of exchange is one reason I rarely comment, and will shortly drop out here.

No clarification was required. Don't flounce just because of me, but if you do, make it noisy.

612 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:34pm

re: #527 avanti

The down side of this is I registered to fight tooth and nail with the wacky right, and mostly all we have left here are reasonable conservatives, moderates and lefties. Someone call me a Commie again, just for old times sake.

Commie!
:-)

there ya go.
But you aren't.

613 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:44pm

re: #527 avanti

Can I call you "SweetPea" instead?
LOL!

614 acwgusa  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:44pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

Metric system for accuracy, duodecimal system for making an impression!

Feh. Do it in binary. That will impress everyone!

615 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:50pm

Well, late to the thread (Scout meeting), but Charles has compiled an impressive list up top there.

'Tis in the Center we shall find common sense.

And yes, I'll post about the Modern Whig Party:

Modern Whig Video:
Modern Whig Home Page

* * * *
And here are the San Gabriel Mountains under an almost full moon, on a clear night.

Good evening all.

616 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:57:53pm

I have a tech question. When I was in Tennessee over the weekend I tried to log on to LGF from my blackberry and couldn't do it. Is there a way do do that? Do I need to download something to make it work? Just asking.

617 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:15pm

The comments at Twitter from right-wingers about this post are completely confirming everything I wrote.

618 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:18pm

re: #581 Rightwingconspirator

No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
Ronald Reagan

Do you actually believe RR thought up all these quotes himself? LOL.

He had the same team that wrote his endorsements for Chesterfields.

619 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:20pm

re: #611 Naso Tang

No clarification was required. Don't flounce just because of me, but if you do, make it noisy.

Yes, we particularly enjoy the drama queen / rage aspect.

620 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:34pm

re: #595 aristopheles

[...] This kind of exchange is one reason I rarely comment, and will shortly drop out here.

Mind the door on your way out.

621 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:35pm

re: #596 Sharmuta

I think you mean 94, and the fisc-cons got the boot with Newt Gingrich.

Yeah...the 94' Repubs did good with spending. It's what gave a Clinton his surpluses. The Bush JR era was a disaster. Any POS legislation passed.

622 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:44pm

re: #598 avanti

I read Marx and Lenin to understand them, and thus a Catch 22.

your cars are our cars... understand?

623 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:58:53pm

re: #447 Bagua

Yes, Flounce-O-Meter™ advises, permissible environment,

Agent JimIce: deploy ButtHurt videos.

Butthurt as demonstrated by the ever-smarting Anne Coulter :

624 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:59:21pm

for what it's worth, the party crashers at the White House apparently knew President Obama before.

[Link: canadafreepress.com...]

625 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:59:45pm

re: #621 BryanS

Yeah...the 94' Repubs did good with spending. It's what gave a Clinton his surpluses. The Bush JR era was a disaster. Any POS legislation passed.

Dude took years to find his veto pen.

626 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:59:46pm

re: #598 avanti

I read Marx and Lenin to understand them, and thus a Catch 22.

Anyone who hasn't read them is a boor.

They are now being avidly studied on Wall Street, because if you leave out the revolution part, Marx at least understood more about capitalism than any seven MBAs at Goldmine Sacks.

627 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 8:59:54pm

re: #593 njdhockeyfan

You should read the threads. We discuss those topics all the time.

This blog has always been at least partly about the meta: that is, covering the way stories get covered (or don't get covered). That's what Rathergate was, after all. Media analysis and media criticism have always happened here.
Nothing's changed except that the blogosphere itself is now more part of the media than it was a few years ago, so media criticism (including posts here) involves blogospheric criticism now as well-- but some people are behind the curve on that, so they don't always understand why what's posted is important. IMO that's part of the dynamic.

628 Achilles Tang  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:00:11pm

Midnight! Gotta flounce outa here.

629 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:00:20pm

re: #521 nogendavid

Reminds me (if I recall correctly) of a passage in Gore Vidal's biography of Lincoln, where the narrator character is so offended by the fanaticism and intolerance of an abolitions that he become antiabolitionist.

But the question for the narrator remained what affirmatively to think and do about slavery and secession.

Fair enough to identify nuttiness on the right, but the fact that a position is held by a right wing nut does not in itself show it is mistaken. Obama's views on foreign policy are misguided and mistaken. Beating up on allies (UK, Israel, Czech Republic, Poland) and deal gently with enemy regimes, apologzing constantly for the US' past, failing to present a credible moral or military threat to Iran's nuclear regimes...these are more than serious problems. The prospect of a final Holocaust, launched by the genuinely insane regime in Iran is not vitiated by the lunacy of populist "right wing" nutbars. It is not irrational to have oncerns about whether Obama is an abject failure in dealing with any of it - by genuinely supporting t he democracy movement and convincing Iran there is a real price to be paid.

And is not wrong either to be extremely concerned about the consequences of t he fiscal reckleness of the current Democratic regime, which outruns by orders of magnitude the irresponsibility of the Republicans over the last decade - which in itself was deplorable.
American cannot survive as a great power - and historically it has been a great power for good - when it is debilitated fiscallly and dependence on the kindness of foreign debtors.

Strangely enough, C harles, I mostly stopped reading and posting on LGF for a while because at times there seemed to be too many posts that were moving in a Beckian direction. But with genuine respect, which you may not reciprocate, there remains an abiding truth to many LGF's values: among them opposition to religious intolerance, concern for rationalism and accuracy in reporting, support for an existentially threatened Israel.

The only point on your list that I disagree with -- and no doubt th is will bring on the usual splay of downdings and ad hominen attacks - is that I do think a reasonable person, and not only irrationalists, can have serious questions about the reliability and precision of projections concerning climate change and the role human activity has to play in it. I have read your comments seriously, reviewed more of the the literature, and even if my non-expert assessment turns out to be mistaken, I do think agnostics like me deserve to be typecast and dismissed on an ad hominem basis rather than responded to on the merits. And it is in my view important to be concerned about excessivel climatic pessmisim, because the measures we take to address global warming can have their own consequences. Growth has more t han material advantages - it prolongs life, diminishes misery and creates societies that are more sympathetic to environmental protection.

Sorry if I flunk the 10/10 purity test, Charles, and respond as you wish, I will continue to be grateful for what LGF has already accomplished. I am not a purity tester myself, and intend to keep checking in.

Huh? How did this earn all those downdings? The post has a valid point about our response to AGW. I take AGW very seriously, but even so, it's quite important to work toward economically effective responses. Steps that purport to help solve AGW, but achieve nothing other than to squander treasure, are lamentable. They will backfire on AGW serious-ists and delay the day when we get the problem pared down to size.

630 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:00:26pm

re: #607 aristopheles

Good point! I don't have time to read hundreds of comments though - I hardly ever read the comments threads, just the main posts. This topic was something I'd been dying to read, so as you can see, I got interested in the comments as well. My critique comes as a more casual LGF reader than most of the people here.

Amazing. You don't have time to read the threads, but you don't like what Charles posts as topics. And evidently you don't contribute worth a shit... and you are going to critique this blog...

631 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:00:36pm

re: #625 Racer X

Dude took years to find his veto pen.

Bush finally found his veto pen in 11/2006.

Not that I'm blaming Bush or anything.

632 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:01:01pm

re: #614 acwgusa

Feh. Do it in binary. That will impress everyone!

If I "do it" in binary, does that mean I'm a machine in bed?

633 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:01:10pm

re: #30 Surabaya Stew

Where's Ojoe with the Whig party when you need him?


I was at a Boy Scout meeting...

634 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:02:13pm

re: #624 _RememberTonyC

for what it's worth, the party crashers at the White House apparently knew President Obama before.

[Link: canadafreepress.com...]

but they got out from under the bus, how?

635 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:02:17pm

re: #595 aristopheles

I'm sorry Naso, I thought you were interested in clarification of my first comment. I guess not. This kind of exchange is one reason I rarely comment, and will shortly drop out here.

Thin skin.

636 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:02:25pm

re: #581 Rightwingconspirator

No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
Ronald Reagan

Same thing with the taxes that go to pay for those programs!

637 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:02:51pm

John McCain is as middle of the road as it gets in current politics. No wonder he got run over by cars from both sides.

638 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:03pm

re: #618 Cato the Elder

Haha! Yes I'm sure he had an excellent team. But I can only wonder who inspired the following for our Rookie In Chief-Reagan or Kennedy?

I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.
Barack Obama

639 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:28pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Correction. 7/2006

640 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:28pm

She knows. She knows I'm trying to Christmas shop online. That's why she keeps loitering around behind me.

How early can I send a 14 year-old to bed?

641 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:30pm

re: #634 brookly red

but they got out from under the bus, how?

dunno ...

642 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:31pm

re: #633 Ojoe

I was at a Boy Scout meeting...

time for you to do your Modern Whig thing.

643 acwgusa  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:44pm

re: #632 Cato the Elder

If I "do it" in binary, does that mean I'm a machine in bed?

NO WAY am I touching that one. There's so many jokes in my head at the moment.

644 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:03:58pm

re: #640 EmmmieG

She knows. She knows I'm trying to Christmas shop online. That's why she keeps loitering around behind me.

How early can I send a 14 year-old to bed?

Now would be good.

645 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:04pm

re: #608 Racer X

Cool.

Are you a communist or an anti-communist?

Very anti. The whole concept is simply against human nature. If the state takes care of you, no matter how piss poor you perform, why bust your ass ?
I guess I'm a compassionate capitalist. Encourage folks to make millions or billions, but support a progressive tax. If a millionaire has to cut back his daughter sweet 16 party to a half million dollars to help a poor kid eat, I can deal with that.

646 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:04pm

re: #637 Racer X

John McCain is as middle of the road as it gets in current politics. No wonder he got run over by cars from both sides.

Now the rest of us can feel the same way. Don't you feel excited?

647 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:16pm

re: #640 EmmmieG

She knows. She knows I'm trying to Christmas shop online. That's why she keeps loitering around behind me.

How early can I send a 14 year-old to bed?

10pm

648 recusancy  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:27pm

re: #637 Racer X

John McCain is as middle of the road as it gets in current politics. No wonder he got run over by cars from both sides.

Watch him over the next year. He's going to get teabagged in the primaries. He's probably going to go full crazy to compete.

649 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:29pm

re: #601 Cato the Elder

The "Modern" Conservative is pro-foetus and pro-war... but not pro-child or pro-veteran to anywhere near he same extent.

Modern total package media conservatives - and their acolytes - would be more than willing to sign away Roe V Wade but would never fund the extra adoption placements, or neo natal care or counselling.


Same for the Vets - neiether of the current wars was funded by the GOP congress - debt was sold to china and the borrowing never stopped the pissing away of a surplus never stopped. But suddenly they ran out of money for Vets care/homeless shelters and on and on.

Neither principled nor conservative.

650 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:31pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

Metric system for accuracy, duodecimal system for making an impression!

A man after my own heart.
Vivamus, mea Cato, atque amemus,
rumoresque senum seueriorum
omnes unius aestimemus assis.
soles occidere et redire possunt:
nobis cum semel occidit breuis lux,
nox est perpetua una dormienda.
da mi basia mille, deinde centum,
dein mille altera, dein secunda centum,
deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.
dein, cum milia multa fecerimus,
conturbabimus illa, ne sciamus,
aut ne quis malus inuidere possit,
cum tantum sciat esse basiorum.

651 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:04:52pm

re: #613 Floral Giraffe

Can I call you "SweetPea" instead?
LOL!

You would be the first.

652 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:05:17pm

re: #646 Sharmuta

Now the rest of us can feel the same way. Don't you feel excited?

I got a tingle up my leg.

653 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:05:30pm

This thread is on Memorandum now.

654 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:05:32pm

re: #649 wozzablog

That's a harsh and broad brush. Seems to me one or the other works, not both at the same time.

655 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:05:34pm

re: #624 _RememberTonyC

Man...that sure sucked tonight. Do you still have your blog, TonyC?

656 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #637 Racer X

John McCain is was as middle of the road as it gets in current politics.

Fixed for accuracy.
I liked McCain back in 2000. No excuses for him for picking Palin-- I've lost all respect for him as a leader.

657 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:07:27pm

re: #645 avanti

Very anti. The whole concept is simply against human nature. If the state takes care of you, no matter how piss poor you perform, why bust your ass ?
I guess I'm a compassionate capitalist. Encourage folks to make millions or billions, but support a progressive tax. If a millionaire has to cut back his daughter sweet 16 party to a half million dollars to help a poor kid eat, I can deal with that.

I take back all those mean things I said to you.

;-)

658 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:08:11pm

_RememberTonyC


dunno ...

watch them... something ain't right here...

659 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:08:39pm

re: #650 iceweasel

If you're going to send me poems like that, young lady, I shall have to have an earnest interview with your fiancé!!!1!

660 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:08:48pm

re: #657 Racer X

I take back all those mean things I said to you.

;-)

Leave a few, I've been a ass on occasion. I need a beer, Sam Adams anyone ?

661 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:09:06pm

re: #656 iceweasel

Fixed for accuracy.
I liked McCain back in 2000. No excuses for him for picking Palin-- I've lost all respect for him as a leader.

There was no way he was ever going to win - the far right was two steps away from denouncing him. Palin gave him a bump - that quickly evaporated every time she spoke.

662 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:09:12pm

OT : The BBC has posted a video of the egg-throwing incident involving muslim conservative peer Baroness Warsi. Pathetically enough, these assholes claimed not to have thrown any eggs.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

663 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:09:19pm

re: #48 The False God

I agree with 1, 2, 3, 4 (minus "climate change denialism," which is bollocks), 5, 6 (minus Fox News [the ENTIRE network?] and most of the tea parties), 7 (minus "climate deniers," as if someone that disagrees is on the same level as saying the Holocaust never happened [really, Charles?]), sort of 8, 9 (though I think that is more accepted in Europe than it is in the United States, as here I don't see much anti-Islamic sentiment, just anti-crazy people sentiment), sort of 10 (racism is a no no, but most of the "anti-Obama" things I see [minus birthirism, which is retarded] have a basis in reality, in that he DOES associate with very nasty people and is pretty much the most liberal president we've had in a long time).

That is why I am not a Republican. But I can't be a Democrat for obvious reasons, either.

That reason is because they are just as crazy, for similar and differing reasons. I weep for our future.

Climate change denialism isn't anything like Holocaust denialism, because Holocaust denialism is a semi-polite-society device for calling for another one. This is what everyone must understand Ahmadinejad to be saying when he mouths words signifying "doubt" as to the events of 1933-1945.

But climate change denialism has much in common with smoking=cancer denialism. There's wishful thinking, there's cherry picking examples, there's smears and ad-hominem arguments. There's also morally innocent confusion. Climate change has taken a century of concerted scientific effort to begin to comprehend. Small wonder that casual readers can go astray, when so many far from casual deceivers are working to mislead. Worse yet, some AGW alarmists (Gore et. al) seem to think that chicken-littlish frenzied warnings are justifiable lies in the service of a greater truth. Those who see through those lies and look no further will be deceived as to the validity of the quiet scientific truth of the case for AGW.

664 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:10:04pm

re: #661 Racer X

There was no way he was ever going to win - the far right was two steps away from denouncing him. Palin gave him a bump - that quickly evaporated every time she spoke.

Now Biden - that's a choice that commands respect.

665 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:10:34pm

re: #640 EmmmieG

Tell her, she can watch, but she'd BETTER not be disappointed on Christmas Day! That'll get rid of her!

666 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:10:56pm

re: #642 Dark_Falcon

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth.™

We need a center party. Most people are in the center. IF there are only two major parties, they each get taken over by right and left loons respectively. The number "2" has no center.

Check out the Modern Whig Party for a center alternative.

Whig Video.

Register as a Whig. You know you want to.

667 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:11:01pm

re: #664 cliffster

Now Biden - that's a choice that commands respect.

LMAO!

668 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:11:23pm

re: #190 Slim_Junior

Seriously, Charles, no offense, but I'd like to explore the question of how much you were actually with the Right before you "parted ways" with them. You're trashing rightwingers all day long, but you have surprisingly little criticism for the party that's actually in control of the federal government, many state governments and most major cities. Barack Obama has laid out his domestic agenda very clearly. Is there anything about it you disagree with? I've seen no evidence so far that there is.

See the careful post setting forth questions about the healthcare bill. If you want just one good example.

669 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:11:43pm

re: #654 Rightwingconspirator

"Modern Total Package Media Conservatives " always manage to tell the base what they want to hear - no matter that there are three bases to the Republican party.

"The Iraq war is great but we can't overturn the Bush taxcut that plumeted the country in to a deficit because..."

Pro-war and Pro-taxcuts - regardless of the economic
situation.

When was the last time you saw a professional conservative pundit talk about the sanctity of life and immediately afterwards saying that they will pay for all extra children carried to term who will need schooling, neo and post natal care, adoptions services and the mothers counselling in case of rape.

It's action without consequence for the Media Con's that filters downwards into the teabaggers.

670 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:11:56pm

re: #667 Sharmuta

Biden/Reid 2012!

671 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:11:58pm

re: #666 Ojoe

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth.™

We need a center party. Most people are in the center. IF there are only two major parties, they each get taken over by right and left loons respectively. The number "2" has no center.

Check out the Modern Whig Party for a center alternative.

Whig Video.

Register as a Whig. You know you want to.

No, I want the answer to that position statement I asked you about months ago and you promised you would find out for me.

Never got it from you. And I have asked a number of times.

672 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:12:03pm

re: #664 cliffster

Now Biden - that's a choice that commands respect.

673 AJStrata  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:12:33pm

CJ,

Funny - I see 10 reasons for you to save conservatism.

We can do this, just don't give up. You are a well respected voice. They may not deserve your support, but they need it. We can fix those problems. But only if you want to try. Don't succumb.

Your friend and ally - AJStrata

674 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:13:05pm

re: #666 Ojoe

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth.™

We need a center party. Most people are in the center. IF there are only two major parties, they each get taken over by right and left loons respectively. The number "2" has no center.

Check out the Modern Whig Party for a center alternative.

Whig Video.

Register as a Whig. You know you want to.

you do know that was the 666 post don't you...

675 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:13:28pm

re: #664 cliffster

Now Biden - that's a choice that commands respect.

If only for the sheer entertainment value of that gaffe-master.

676 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:13:55pm

re: #673 AJStrata

Well said.

677 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:13:55pm

re: #662 Jimmah

OT : The BBC has posted a video of the egg-throwing incident involving muslim conservative peer Baroness Warsi. Pathetically enough, these assholes claimed not to have thrown any eggs.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Wow!

It looks as though those bearded guys really would have stoned her given the chance.

678 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:14:02pm

re: #661 Racer X

There was no way he was ever going to win - the far right was two steps away from denouncing him. Palin gave him a bump - that quickly evaporated every time she spoke.


Very true. He picked her to placate people like Dobson. Now those people (and Palin) are like Frankenstein's monster and are out of control.

Sucks too. I had genuinely liked him back in 2000 and felt bad for him when he got sandbagged by Rove et al in the SC primaries (the 'black daughter' smear).

679 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:14:07pm

re: #671 Walter L. Newton

The one about "states rights"?

680 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:14:10pm

g'night all.


have a good one.

681 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:14:11pm
682 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:14:29pm

re: #666 Ojoe

The number "2" has no center.

What's the "center" of a number?

683 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:14:34pm

re: #673 AJStrata

CJ,

Funny - I see 10 reasons for you to save conservatism.

We can do this, just don't give up. You are a well respected voice. They may not deserve your support, but they need it. We can fix those problems. But only if you want to try. Don't succumb.

Your friend and ally - AJStrata

I agree.

684 brookly red  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:15:20pm

re: #682 Girth

What's the "center" of a number?

.5

685 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:15:30pm

Back from a 10-day family visit overseas, and a belated thanks for the well-wishes.

The points in Charles' post are well taken. At some other time, I'd appreciate a more introspective post about how he got here. (Maybe someone can direct me to it if I missed it.) I don't believe that the "I didn't change, everyone else did" line is quite accurate. For a number of years, like most of the rest of us original gang, Charles was in a blue fury about The Religion of Peace, and the jihadist precepts it engenders in the so-inclined around the world. Creeping shariah, too: Remember that poll up there in the upper left, about which European country would be the first to come under Islamic religious rule? I know he's still concerned about all those things, and there's certainly nothing wrong with a blog evolving, but the alarm--passion, if you will--in his blogging is elsewhere now.

686 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:15:37pm

re: #675 BryanS

If only for the sheer entertainment value of that gaffe-master.

It's all fun and games until someone loses a trillion dollars.

687 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:15:40pm

re: #664 cliffster

Now Biden - that's a choice that commands respect.


Just as all those Indian software designers, engineers and doctors 7-11 clerks.

688 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:15:47pm

re: #682 Girth

Odd numbers have a center. count in from the top and bottom. If you get a digit in the middle, that's the center. 3 is the center of 5 for instance.

689 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:16:16pm

Work accident of the day:

One Palestinian killed, three wounded in Gaza explosion

Gaza - One Palestinian militant was killed and three were wounded Monday night in a mysterious explosion in a car that drove west of Gaza city, eyewitnesses and medics said.

The witnesses said that four militants were riding in a minibus in Shatti refugee camp west of Gaza City when the explosion wrecked the bus.

Sources said that the dead militant was a member of Islamic Jihad (Holy War) and that the minibus was full of explosives which detonated due to technical problem.

690 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:16:40pm

re: #390 talon_262

Haha, Cato...I realized my mistake when SFZ replied.

Neuromancer is a great SF book, IMO, though.

It is indeed. May I also recommend Cryptonomicon (hope I got it right this time) and Dahlgren? The latter is much older and NSFW, but it will blow your tubes.

691 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:16:51pm

re: #669 wozzablog

"Modern Total Package Media Conservatives " always manage to tell the base what they want to hear - no matter that there are three bases to the Republican party.

"The Iraq war is great but we can't overturn the Bush taxcut that plumeted the country in to a deficit because..."

Pro-war and Pro-taxcuts - regardless of the economic
situation.

When was the last time you saw a professional conservative pundit talk about the sanctity of life and immediately afterwards saying that they will pay for all extra children carried to term who will need schooling, neo and post natal care, adoptions services and the mothers counselling in case of rape.

It's action without consequence for the Media Con's that filters downwards into the teabaggers.

Because a pundit is just that, a pundit, and his/her mission is to make points, not your points, or points you would like to hear, but the points they want to make. Duh.

You what does your comment prove? Do you think a liberal pundit would be inclined to make a conservative point just to balance out thier argument?

Make some sense please.

692 AJStrata  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:02pm

BTW - if you feel like talking (yeah, I know - presumptuous) you have my email. You need to help fix the 'right'.

693 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:03pm

WOW!
3327 retweets, according to the counter!

AVALANCHE!
INCOMING!

694 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:03pm

re: #688 Ojoe

69?

695 Irish Rose  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:13pm

I concur, and I also refuse to go over the cliff with them.
Evening, lizards.

696 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:23pm

re: #686 cliffster

It's all fun and games until someone loses a trillion dollars.

No worries. We can--and do--just print more. /

697 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:35pm

re: #679 Ojoe

The one about "states rights"?

Yep, you remember.

698 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #659 Cato the Elder

If you're going to send me poems like that, young lady, I shall have to have an earnest interview with your fiancé!!!1!

Amo, amas, amat - that's all the latin I need (or remember!).

699 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:51pm

re: #689 njdhockeyfan

Sources said that the dead militant was a member of Islamic Jihad (Holy War) and that the minibus was full of explosives which detonated due to technical problem.

We were not attempting to launch that missile!

700 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:17:58pm

WTH is a re-tweet anyway exactly and how is it tracked?

701 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:18:07pm

Well that's it I suppose. All of the Wingnuts™ and Stalkers™ will stop reading LGF after tonight.

///

702 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:18:11pm

re: #626 Cato the Elder

Anyone who hasn't read them is a boor.

They are now being avidly studied on Wall Street, because if you leave out the revolution part, Marx at least understood more about capitalism than any seven MBAs at Goldmine Sacks.

Hadn't heard that but -- Damn right! That, in a nutshell, is where my desire for a president that's one half Goldwater & one half Mike Harrington comes from.

One huge mistake people make is that Lenin had anything right in his reading of Marx. I imagine that the analysis of Lenin by Marx would have been terribly entertaining to read... ;)

William

703 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:18:21pm

re: #696 BryanS

No worries. We can--and do--just print more. /

Shit, we're a few keystrokes away from a balanced budget.

704 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:18:25pm

re: #694 Rightwingconspirator

35.

705 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:18:48pm

re: #688 Ojoe

Odd numbers have a center. count in from the top and bottom. If you get a digit in the middle, that's the center. 3 is the center of 5 for instance.

I was looking for a definition in terms of open balls in n-space, but ok.

706 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:18:57pm

re: #698 Jimmah

Amo, amas, amat - that's all the latin I need (or remember!).

Ignorance is bliss.

Do you have any idea how many kisses she just sent me?

It's all right. Can I come to your wedding?

707 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:19:06pm

re: #673 AJStrata

CJ,

Funny - I see 10 reasons for you to save conservatism.

We can do this, just don't give up. You are a well respected voice. They may not deserve your support, but they need it. We can fix those problems. But only if you want to try. Don't succumb.

Your friend and ally - AJStrata

Sadly, any questioning of the orthodoxy leads to ostracism.

It's like you are in a car heading for the cliff and you mention to the driver, "You know, it might be a good idea to hit the brakes."

And all he can do is yell "Get the f%^k out of my vehicle!!"

The momentum of the gaspers at this point has reached such a fever pitch that there is no reasoning with them. They are no longer willing to listen. Folks who are willing to discuss individual issues on the merits and do so with respect rather than throwing rhetorical Molotovs are increasingly rare. They are also increasingly here.

708 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:19:29pm

42

709 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:19:29pm

re: #111 directorblue

Charles, I would guess that the vast majority of the so-called center-right would agree with most of your tenets.

Mark Levin's Liberty & Tyranny is my personal blueprint of "conservatism". It steps through thousands of years of human experimentation with different forms of government and arrives at one inescapable conclusion:

While imperfect, the U.S. Constitution is the best form of government ever conceived. It protected the rights of the individual and limited the powers of the federal government. Over time (New Deal, Great Society, etc.), the firewalls of the Constitution were erased by activist judges, leaving us with the strange form of government we have today.

I can't remember if it even mentions pro-choice/pro-life -- that's a state's right issue (10th Amendment). The chapter on "Faith and the Founding" explains the intertwined relationship between Judeo-Christian beliefs and the government.

As for Buchanan, etc., I have nothing but disgust for that crew.

On Palin, I've never heard anything credible that would lead me to dismiss her as a conservative leader.

On global warming, I believe it's largely a financial scam. In 1987 I wrote about the World Rainforest Movement's identification of the IPCC as a bunch of businessmen (see Pedro Moura-Costa) who were out to enrich themselves -- and succeeded. Even the WRM (hardly a right-wing group) said the IPCC report was a "fraud". Until we use open source science, open algorithms, open data, I find it difficult to believe the the U.S. has any impact on climate change. Visiting China puts our country into perspective.

The U.S. produces comparable CO2 to China's. If ANYBODY influences climate change, we do. The best solution, if it is feasible, would involve setting up situations where rational self interest aligns with reduced CO2 emissions. Then everybody wins. If that's not feasible, we're in for a world of trouble. But if it comes to belt tightening type measures, the U.S. will have to be on board, and so will China, or nothing will come of it.

710 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:19:43pm

re: #702 wlewisiii

Hadn't heard that but -- Damn right! That, in a nutshell, is where my desire for a president that's one half Goldwater & one half Mike Harrington comes from.

One huge mistake people make is that Lenin had anything right in his reading of Marx. I imagine that the analysis of Lenin by Marx would have been terribly entertaining to read... ;)

William

Marx would have torn Lenin a new one faster than you can shot a czar.

711 LotharBot  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:19:51pm

I can't voice 100% agreement on every issue, but I can voice about 95% agreement.

The "right" is going off the rails, seething with hate and buying into conspiracy theories and anti-scientific ideas. It's like they saw the left go nuts during the Bush era (blood for oil, 9/11 conspiracies, BDS), watched Obama get elected, and figured insanity was a winning strategy.

We need candidates with a solid vision: small government, low taxes, fiscal responsibility, strong national defense, religious freedom for all, anti-bigotry, and pro-science/engineering. Are there any out there? Seems like every big-name candidate (Romney, Pawlenty, Palin, Huckabee) fails miserably on at least one of these issues. God, I hope Petraeus runs and is sane.

712 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:20:09pm

re: #564 Cato the Elder

Are you saying a yellow ribbon on the back of an Escalade doesn't make him forget all his sorrows, forget all his troubles, forget all his trials, and do the Snoopy dance?

Damn.

Fraid not. He would look good doing the Snoopy dance though. He's a prince of a guy. And if this keeps up, I'm afraid he's going to spend more time in Afghanistan than all three of my grandfathers spent serving in WWII.

713 dartmydog  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:20:15pm

Charles I think you can play the media like you do the guitar!

714 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:20:36pm

re: #708 Racer X

42

But, how many roads must a woman walk down?

715 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:20:42pm

re: #673 AJStrata

CJ,

Funny - I see 10 reasons for you to save conservatism.

We can do this, just don't give up. You are a well respected voice. They may not deserve your support, but they need it. We can fix those problems. But only if you want to try. Don't succumb.

Your friend and ally - AJStrata

Hear, hear.

716 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:20:50pm

re: #693 Floral Giraffe

WOW!
3327 retweets, according to the counter!

AVALANCHE!
INCOMING!

Bear in mind too that people who are retweeting other people's tweets about this aren't going to show up in that counter-- so, all the people who see politico or kos or william gibson's tweets and retweet those tweets don't get included in the total above (i think that's how it works?)
Anyway, hells yeah, avalanche!

717 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:21:00pm

re: #707 austin_blue

Sadly, any questioning of the orthodoxy leads to ostracism.

It's like you are in a car heading for the cliff and you mention to the driver, "You know, it might be a good idea to hit the brakes."

And all he can do is yell "Get the f%^k out of my vehicle!!"

The momentum of the gaspers at this point has reached such a fever pitch that there is no reasoning with them. They are no longer willing to listen. Folks who are willing to discuss individual issues on the merits and do so with respect rather than throwing rhetorical Molotovs are increasingly rare. They are also increasingly here.

I know what you mean. Sometimes you can ask the same exact question, 10 times, and that person will stare you right in the monitor and ask you "What was your question?" Ever have that happen?

718 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:21:08pm

re: #712 SanFranciscoZionist

Fraid not. He would look good doing the Snoopy dance though. He's a prince of a guy. And if this keeps up, I'm afraid he's going to spend more time in Afghanistan than all three of my grandfathers spent serving in WWII.

Not hard to imagine, since Afghanistan is already our longest-running "engagement".

719 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:21:13pm

re: #689 njdhockeyfan

It's Israel's fault.

///

Q: How many Islamic Militants in Gaza does it take to screw in one fricken light bulb?

A: Zero. They sit in the dark and blame Israel.

720 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:21:27pm

re: #714 MandyManners

But, how many roads must a woman walk down?

None, hop in!

721 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:04pm

re: #720 Racer X

None, hop in!

No.

722 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:11pm

re: #691 Walter L. Newton

Seems simple enough.

Punditry reinforces opinion.

There is a fundamental disconnect in the GOP base about stuff that has to be done in order for other stuff to happen.

The base loved the war and the tax cut - egged on by the media who assured them that they can have their cake and eat it. No one can have their cake and eat it.

(yes the liberals do it too - but this is a thread about the decline of conservatism which is why i addressed it)

723 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:13pm

I want open registration! I'm hella stoked and hungry!

724 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:36pm

re: #677 Racer X

Wow!

It looks as though those bearded guys really would have stoned her given the chance.

No doubt in my mind on that. I wonder if the "joint enterprise" law being used to curb gang violence in the UK could be used here to prosecute that whole nasty little group.

725 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:47pm

re: #712 SanFranciscoZionist

[...] all three of my grandfathers [...]

Hmmm...

726 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:48pm
727 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:55pm

re: #721 MandyManners

No.

*squeals tires as Racer X speeds away*

728 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:22:58pm

re: #601 Cato the Elder

I have a more serious reply than my "Snoopy dance" quip above.

On Veterans' Day, when all the wankers were crying about how much they luuurve this country and falling all over themselves to thank our soldiers, sailors, airmen, submariners, SEALs, Special Forces and fry cooks for their service, I suggested, here and on Facebook, that people take a hard look at that homeless guy stationed near the entrance to the freeway you take every day.

I mentioned a specific man, who holds a certain place, day after day in Baltimore. I know his story.

And people (not here) told me that he was a fake vet and a fraud and I was a dupe for bringing him food and money.

No yellow ribbon or pious sentiment is too good for our men and women in uniform.

You're a good guy Cato. That makes you cranky, huh?

729 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:23:02pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

Well the phrase is not good. I have suggested they rephrase it. The Whig website does say this though:

Each state can determine the extended rights of homosexuals based on their own local values. We do, however, support classifying as a federal hate crime attacks on people based on their perceived sexual orientation. In essence, the sexual orientation of the guy down the street has no bearing on anybody else's life.

730 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:23:19pm

re: #690 Cato the Elder

It is indeed. May I also recommend Cryptonomicon (hope I got it right this time) and Dahlgren? The latter is much older and NSFW, but it will blow your tubes.

Prism. Mirror. Lens.

Don't forget Delaney's Nova, either. Brilliant allegory of a Grail Quest.

731 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:23:28pm

re: #722 wozzablog

PIMF

Punditry reinforces opinion as fact.

732 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:23:57pm

re: #724 Jimmah

No doubt in my mind on that. I wonder if the "joint enterprise" law being used to curb gang violence in the UK could be used here to prosecute that whole nasty little group.

Not a chance. They want Sharia law and they want it now!

733 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:24:00pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

Long winded flounce is long.
/TLDR

734 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:24:11pm

re: #722 wozzablog

Seems simple enough.

Punditry reinforces opinion.

There is a fundamental disconnect in the GOP base about stuff that has to be done in order for other stuff to happen.

The base loved the war and the tax cut - egged on by the media who assured them that they can have their cake and eat it. No one can have their cake and eat it.

(yes the liberals do it too - but this is a thread about the decline of conservatism which is why i addressed it)

I guess what I am saying is simple, you skewer pundits for being exactly what they are. That's weird. And sort of a straw argument. If a pundit acted like you suggested, they wouldn't be any sort of pundit. That's all I was saying.

735 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:24:13pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

736 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:24:19pm

re: #673 AJStrata

CJ,

Funny - I see 10 reasons for you to save conservatism.

We can do this, just don't give up. You are a well respected voice. They may not deserve your support, but they need it. We can fix those problems. But only if you want to try. Don't succumb.

Your friend and ally - AJStrata

I see ten reasons to abandon labels and embrace rational dialogue based on the idea that "liberals" and "conservatives" of good will all want the best for the country and the world and resent being pounded round-headed into square and antiquated holes.

737 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:24:56pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

revert back to the conservative principles that this country was founded on.

ahem... "Provide for the general welfare"... ahem

738 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:25:05pm

re: #730 austin_blue

Favorited for future reading.

739 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:25:06pm

Taking the private jet to Copenhagen

Hypocrisy is the vice we find hardest to forgive, but it’s also the one we most enjoy discovering in others. And nothing piques our interest more than eco-hypocrisy as practised by the “green” celebrities who have been spouting green virtue but spewing out hundreds of tons of carbon from their private jets or multiple holiday homes around the globe.

...The Copenhagen summit next week will generate vast quantities of hot air. It will see 16,500 people coming in from 192 countries. That amounts to 41,000 tons of carbon dioxide, roughly the same as the carbon emissions of Morocco in 2006. Also, the organisers will lay 900 kilometres of computer cable and 50,000 square miles of carpet. More than 200,000 meals will be served and visitors will drink 200,000 cups of coffee — at least that will be organic.

When asked if the carbon footprint might have been reduced by turning Copenhagen into a video conference, a spokesman for the event said: “For such a major agreement, people need to meet together and negotiate face to face. We have delegates from all over the world. Video-conferencing systems are extremely useful, but they don’t match the personal touch. This is one of the main factors in having a good conference.”

740 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:25:13pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

I'll make it easier to resist the temptation to read LGF by blocking your account. No need to thank me!

741 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:25:20pm

re: #736 Cato the Elder

1,000 updings for that sir.

742 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:25:21pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

I choose to move forward, not backward. Good luck finding your time machine.

743 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:25:30pm

re: #733 Varek Raith

Long winded flounce is long.
/TLDR

i can haz flounce now?

744 captain faris  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:03pm

I--and my friends of my ilk--agree with each of your 10 objections to the public discourse as practiced by most of the high-profile "right". Yet I would like to see your 10 core issues and your position on them succinctly listed next to this current list. Unlike the "son of a Buckley" whose similar train of thought led him to end up actually supporting the loony left, you are not guilty of such irrationality. You clearly support values that genuine conservatives ought to be focusing on. So a fresh "list" of those issues would help many of the rest of us reestablish our connection with reality.

I hesitate to say it, but most of the (low profile, non-activist) conservatives I "pal around with" (g) also concur with the reasoning behind each of your points. Maybe I just stay closeted in a rare hotbed of rationality. More likely we're just delusional and inconsistent.,

745 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:07pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

Then I would advise you to pick up you ass and move on to some blog that pleases you... is there something wrong with you, are you mentally ill, why would you hang around here if you have so much trouble with what you see and hear on this blog?

My, my... I think you need help.

746 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #743 webevintage

i can haz flounce now?

Ceiling flounce is always watching.

/

747 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:19pm

I finally got to see one before it got deleted!

748 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:21pm

re: #661 Racer X

There was no way he was ever going to win - the far right was two steps away from denouncing him. Palin gave him a bump - that quickly evaporated every time she spoke.

There was no way he was ever going to win--there was the Bush problem.

749 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:27pm

re: #734 Walter L. Newton

But they do act like that - you never watched one twisting in the wind over paying for the war?

750 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:40pm

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

I know what you mean. Sometimes you can ask the same exact question, 10 times, and that person will stare you right in the monitor and ask you "What was your question?" Ever have that happen?

Hell, Walter, *I'm* guilty of it sometimes. But I hope I come back the next day and try to make my points. It's okay to agree to disagree. But the vitriol serves no purpose. You win arguments with facts and respect.

751 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:46pm

Re: 726 [deleted]

Flounce-O-Meter™ reads: Boring

752 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:50pm

re: #673 AJStrata

You are a well respected voice. They may not deserve your support, but they need it.

All due respect, but quite a few people on the right side of the blogosphere ought to have thought about that BEFORE they decided to throw support to robert stacy mccain (of ALL people) and tacitly endorse many vicious attacks on Charles and LGF-- when not actively participating in such attacks themselves or haughtily delinking LGF or kicking Charles out of the Conservative Blog Ads network and so forth.

Screw those people, seriously. This post is a long needed wakeup call and corrective to the lunacy being propagated all over the right side of the blogosphere now.

753 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:26:52pm

re: #726 nightdragon83

Oh for F*ck's sake, why can't you keep your whining to one paragraph or less?

What's with the essays?

754 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:28:41pm

re: #749 wozzablog

But they do act like that - you never watched one twisting in the wind over paying for the war?

Never mind. You argue that a pundit is being... well, a pundit. That's like complaining about a priest being... well... chaste. It's what they do.

So yes, I find your argument weak if not ridiculous, broad brushed and simplistic.

755 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:28:49pm

Parting of the ways implies that there was once a shared path.
I didn't realize that LGF ever officially pitched a tent in the right wing's camp.

756 Irish Rose  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:29:51pm

I've been away from the blogs for a few weeks, tending to school and family life and harassing my children on Facebook... did I miss anything critical?

While away, I did manage to earn a 175k Star Medal in Bejeweled Blitz!
I earned this medal with a score of 186,000.

Just FYI.

757 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:30:40pm

re: #752 iceweasel

All due respect, but quite a few people on the right side of the blogosphere ought to have thought about that BEFORE they decided to throw support to robert stacy mccain (of ALL people) and tacitly endorse many vicious attacks on Charles and LGF-- when not actively participating in such attacks themselves or haughtily delinking LGF or kicking Charles out of the Conservative Blog Ads network and so forth.

Screw those people, seriously. This post is a long needed wakeup call and corrective to the lunacy being propagated all over the right side of the blogosphere now.

Does that mean that this blog is now officially a liberal blog? Because if it is... I am certainly going to have to stick around just to rattle some cages.

You all had a chance of getting rid of me, but you blew it. :)

758 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:31:06pm

re: #739 njdhockeyfan

Taking the private jet to Copenhagen

Don't forget the lure of the hookers two streets down from the Tivoli Gardens (for the reporters) and the Danish pastry (10,000 kroner per "engagement") with nipples so hard you could bruise yourself on them. Such things are also essential to global politicking.

759 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:31:07pm

re: #662 Jimmah

OT : The BBC has posted a video of the egg-throwing incident involving muslim conservative peer Baroness Warsi. Pathetically enough, these assholes claimed not to have thrown any eggs.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Very classy lady. I like the bit at the end, where she's cleaning her hair off, in what looks like a sari shop. Good role model for girls.

What's the perps' story? Someone else threw an egg, and then they popped up to scream politely about sharia?

760 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:31:22pm

re: #756 Irish Rose

While away, I did manage to earn a 175k Star Medal in Bejeweled Blitz!
I earned this medal with a score of 186,000.


Congratulations!
(Now, can you translate for the uneducated? I got no clue here).

761 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:31:54pm
762 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:31:58pm

re: #757 Walter L. Newton

Does that mean that this blog is now officially a liberal blog?

I hope we stay anti-idiotarian.

763 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:32:29pm

re: #756 Irish Rose

Great to hear from you! Now whaaa? A $175K?

764 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:32:33pm

re: #737 wozzablog

ahem... "Provide for the general welfare"... ahem

Which is not the same as "Reduce the populace to helpless wards of the state."

765 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:32:33pm

re: #758 Cato the Elder

Don't forget the lure of the hookers two streets down from the Tivoli Gardens (for the reporters) and the Danish pastry (10,000 kroner per "engagement") with nipples so hard you could bruise yourself on them. Such things are also essential to global politicking.

The Danish pastry has nipples? Or did you mean the Danish pasties have nipples?

766 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:32:40pm
767 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:33:11pm

re: #758 Cato the Elder

Don't forget the lure of the hookers two streets down from the Tivoli Gardens (for the reporters) and the Danish pastry (10,000 kroner per "engagement") with nipples so hard you could bruise yourself on them. Such things are also essential to global politicking.

Link?

768 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:33:33pm
769 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:33:47pm

re: #765 Walter L. Newton

The Danish pastry has nipples? Or did you mean the Danish pasties have nipples?

Either way, I am ready for breakfast!

770 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:33:52pm

re: #754 Walter L. Newton

ok. disconect what i said entirely from the people who believe in the Bush Taxcut and the Iraq war together combined were good ideas... those people are out there.

Dismissing my argument means you have to deny those people exist and that they were fed in the belief that those two policies combined were a winning combination.

771 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:34:48pm

re: #769 bratwurst

Either way, I am ready for breakfast!

nom nom nom

772 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:34:49pm

re: #762 Sharmuta

I hope we stay anti-idiotarian.

Yes. The last thing we need is a bunch of left wing idiots to pile in here thinking this is now a safe haven for fools of the other stripe. We'll fire up the grills and not let that happen.

773 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:06pm

Bagua's Humour Break™

President Obama announces new strategy to fight the Taliban


774 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:24pm

re: #758 Cato the Elder

Don't forget the lure of the hookers two streets down from the Tivoli Gardens (for the reporters) and the Danish pastry (10,000 kroner per "engagement") with nipples so hard you could bruise yourself on them. Such things are also essential to global politicking.

Could you elaborate on those nipples?

/Just for research purposes only. ;)

775 nanook37  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:26pm

re: #444 WindUpBird

You were ASSIGNED Neuromancer in college?!? AWESOME. I stayed up all night for weeks when I was a teenager reading Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, Count Zero... the classic paperpacks with Rick Berry's pioneering digital art on the cover :D

I was assigned it in college as well (WindUpBird did you go to UVa?) and did not read it - I enjoyed a ton when I red it 10 years later...

776 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:38pm

One up for trademarking. Ha!

777 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:42pm

re: #772 austin_blue

Yes. The last thing we need is a bunch of left wing idiots to pile in here thinking this is now a safe haven for fools of the other stripe. We'll fire up the grills and not let that happen.

The left has idiots? Who knew?

778 skidancer  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:47pm

Why does it have to be right and left. There's another dimension, you know. Sigh, I guess that's too much for most folks.

779 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:47pm

re: #769 bratwurst

Either way, I am ready for breakfast!

Or maybe the Danish nipples had pasties. I'm so confused.

780 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:59pm

re: #761 MandyManners


Some fellas doing cool a capellas.
781 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:35:59pm

re: #765 Walter L. Newton

The Danish pastry has nipples? Or did you mean the Danish pasties have nipples?

I know it's late, Walter, but it was a metaphor. Surely a theater man can see that?

782 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:36:08pm

re: #772 austin_blue

Yes. The last thing we need is a bunch of left wing idiots to pile in here thinking this is now a safe haven for fools of the other stripe. We'll fire up the grills and not let that happen.

OK everybody, put away the Peace Drums™

783 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:36:29pm

re: #778 skidancer

I think we already live with our ups and downs. Left and right is the part we can drive.

784 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:36:34pm

re: #767 Racer X

Link?

You bad boy! Find your own entertainment!

785 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:36:44pm

re: #778 skidancer

Why does it have to be right and left. There's another dimension, you know. Sigh, I guess that's too much for most folks.

Yea, you're right. I guess we are all idiots... we'll all leave... thanks.

786 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:36:58pm

re: #764 The Sanity Inspector

Mr Flounce said there was not a single socialist ideal in the entiry of America's founding - "providing for the general welfare" outside of providing for the military is hardly Ayn Rand.

787 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:37:11pm

re: #772 austin_blue

Yes. The last thing we need is a bunch of left wing idiots to pile in here thinking this is now a safe haven for fools of the other stripe. We'll fire up the grills and not let that happen.


Too late.

788 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:37:12pm

re: #782 Gus 802

OK everybody, put away the Peace Drums™

See, if you don't take care of these hippies now, pretty soon you're gonna have a drum circle pop up in your back yard...

789 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:37:23pm

re: #784 Cato the Elder

You bad boy! Find your own entertainment!

Well I was, until you told me it was a metaphor.

790 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:37:24pm
791 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:37:51pm

re: #787 Fenway_Nation

Too late.

That answer was up for grabs. I knew someone would come back with that.

792 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:38:00pm

re: #747 Girth

I finally got to see one before it got deleted!

Isn't it cool? Like the green flash--although I never have seen that.

793 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:38:15pm

re: #790 rightisright

Boring flounce. Kthxbai!

794 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:38:17pm

Here they come.

795 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:38:44pm

Darn. Missed the flounce.

796 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:38:48pm

re: #790 rightisright
Does your mama know that you're out?

797 Summer Seale  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:38:53pm

re: #794 Charles

Here they come.

Grab your towel! Flying spittle alert! =)

798 Irish Rose  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:39:02pm

Bam! You're outa here, asshole.

799 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:39:29pm

Why do homophobes always have to project so much?

800 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:39:36pm

re: #793 Varek Raith

Boring flounce. Kthxbai!

Evidently getting between two of my posts is like some sort of crossing the streams... sort of a quantum flounce... poof!

801 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:40:04pm

Rosin up the bow.

802 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:40:08pm

re: #799 Girth

Why do homophobes always have to project so much?

Who's a homophobe?

803 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:40:16pm

re: #794 Charles
That one was so deliciously moronic that you should have left it up for a while so people could guffaw and LTAO.
///

804 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:40:58pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

Who's a homophobe?

The latest flounce.

805 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:41:06pm

re: #799 Girth
That's just it... they usually don't project so much.///

806 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:41:57pm

That was FAST

807 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:42:08pm

Awesome...a comment and a delete in seconds. It's like watching the wrath of mother nature...you can't take your eyes off of it.

808 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:42:19pm

re: #799 Girth

Why do homophobes always have to project so much?

Because they are secretly gay? I think that's a funny thing to tell them anyway.

809 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:42:27pm

re: #794 Charles

810 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:42:28pm

re: #775 nanook37

I was assigned it in college as well (WindUpBird did you go to UVa?) and did not read it - I enjoyed a ton when I red it 10 years later...

I went to Cornish College of the Arts 8-) And yeah, it's one of my favorite books of all time. So much fantastic imagery and worldbuilding.

811 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:42:55pm


re: #706 Cato the Elder

Do you have any idea how many kisses she just sent me?

It's all right. Can I come to your wedding?

Do you know how many she just gave me?

Iceweasel (who is currently slaving in the kitchen) will email you about the wedding soon :)

812 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:43:12pm

re: #764 The Sanity Inspector

Which is not the same as "Reduce the populace to helpless wards of the state."

But which does not mean only 'pay for a standing army'...damn complicated, these directions.

813 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:43:26pm

re: #800 Walter L. Newton

Evidently getting between two of my posts is like some sort of crossing the streams... sort of a quantum flounce... poof!

Don't cross the streams!

814 avanti  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:43:36pm

re: #756 Irish Rose

I've been away from the blogs for a few weeks, tending to school and family life and harassing my children on Facebook... did I miss anything critical?

While away, I did manage to earn a 175k Star Medal in Bejeweled Blitz!
I earned this medal with a score of 186,000.

Just FYI.

The stalker blog will be so disappointed, they were hoping you were headed to the dark side. :)

815 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:44:10pm

re: #811 Jimmah

Do you know how many she just gave me?

Iceweasel (who is currently slaving in the kitchen) will email you about the wedding soon :)

I'm glad you've already tamed the shrew!

And good about the email, because I may just be at liberty to attend.

816 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:44:13pm

re: #808 BryanS

Because they are secretly gay? I think that's a funny thing to tell them anyway.

The weird part is that those guys talk about homosexuality more than the average gay man. They're obsessed.

817 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:44:58pm

Well, my ichor blottle seems to be umpty. Time for bad.

818 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:45:05pm

The haters have totally swarmed Ben Smith's post:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

819 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:45:09pm

re: #765 Walter L. Newton

The Danish pastry has nipples? Or did you mean the Danish pasties have nipples?

Following the cartoon catastrophe, Iranian bakeries renamed Danish "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries". I wish I was making this up.

820 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:46:29pm

re: #818 Charles

The haters have totally swarmed Ben Smith's post:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

You are getting a warm reception at MyDD.

821 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:46:40pm
822 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:47:05pm

re: #819 SanFranciscoZionist

Following the cartoon catastrophe, Iranian bakeries renamed Danish "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries". I wish I was making this up.

Mmmm...Freedom fries...

823 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:47:08pm

re: #818 Charles

I noticed...it's a dirty feeling to see this much hate. Reminds me of something...radical Islam?

824 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:47:10pm

re: #819 SanFranciscoZionist


But did they have Freedom Bread?
//

825 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:48:14pm

re: #757 Walter L. Newton

Does that mean that this blog is now officially a liberal blog? Because if it is... I am certainly going to have to stick around just to rattle some cages.

You all had a chance of getting rid of me, but you blew it. :)

heh. AFAIK it's an anti-idiotarian blog and always has been...but I will pretend it's a liberal blog if that makes you even feistier than usual!

826 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:48:17pm

re: #819 SanFranciscoZionist

Following the cartoon catastrophe, Iranian bakeries renamed Danish "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries". I wish I was making this up.

I've always suspected that most people just muttered "Cheese Danish and a coffee" anyway. It's like asking for a 'venti' at Starbucks. Most people just cannot do it.

827 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:48:25pm
828 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:48:30pm

re: #818 Charles

The haters have totally swarmed Ben Smith's post:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

WTF is up with comment number 13 (Tom) on that blog? Projection of epic proportions...

829 wiffersnapper  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:48:33pm

Charles for president

830 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:48:34pm

re: #823 carey94tt

I noticed...it's a dirty feeling to see this much hate. Reminds me of something...radical Islam?

It's an object example of exactly what I was writing about in this post.

831 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:49:07pm

re: #820 njdhockeyfan

You are getting a warm reception at MyDD.

One of the commenters doesn't seem to appreciate support for Israel.

I'm thinking support for Israel might be a major road block for our new "friends".

832 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:49:11pm

This lizard is sleepy. Nite folks.

833 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:49:23pm

re: #777 Sharmuta

The left has idiots? Who knew?

Hell, you deal in Dem politics and you deal with these people all the time. Will Rogers was right (oops! correct!) when he said he was a Democrat and did not belong to any organized political party.

We'd have local party caucuses and they would come out of the woodwork. Radical (take your choice---) anti-nukes, feminists, LGBTs, vegetarians, PETAns, Jews, Catholics, Copts, Armenians, ex-pat Iranis, refugees, &c, ad finitum. And we accepted them. We explained that party planks were based on motions that were accepted or not accepted, amended, discussed and voted upon. If they got a majority, their positions were included in documents were sent up the chain and eventually you got a State Party position document.

Here's the thing. They were loons, but for the vast majority of them, the process was acceptable even if they knew their more radical positions had a snowball's chance in hell of being adopted.

It was a zoo, but it was respectful and an absolute hoot!

Are local Repub caucuses like that? Anyone? Honest question.

834 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:50:42pm

re: #787 Fenway_Nation

Too late.

Curmudgeon!

835 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:50:43pm

re: #819 SanFranciscoZionist

Following the cartoon catastrophe, Iranian bakeries renamed Danish "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries". I wish I was making this up.

About as effective as "Freedom Fries".

836 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:50:50pm

re: #818 Charles
Looks like the comments at Politico are pretty evenly divided beween lefty haters and righty haters, so you end up the winner in that deal.

837 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:50:58pm

re: #826 SanFranciscoZionist

I've always suspected that most people just muttered "Cheese Danish and a coffee" anyway. It's like asking for a 'venti' at Starbucks. Most people just cannot do it.

I have a hard time saying venti with a straight face.

838 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:51:30pm

re: #833 austin_blue

Are local Repub caucuses like that? Anyone? Honest question.

No- all we do is read the Bible out loud. ///

839 BryanS  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:51:31pm

re: #831 Sharmuta

One of the commenters doesn't seem to appreciate support for Israel.

I'm thinking support for Israel might be a major road block for our new "friends".

Yeah--antisemitism on the far left is their version of hatred.

840 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:51:39pm

re: #815 Cato the Elder

I'm glad you've already tamed the shrew!

And good about the email, because I may just be at liberty to attend.

I object! Iceweasels apparently can be domesticated, but are never tame, sir. And shrew-like qualities remain in evidence!

Hooray, btw! I will email you our top seekrit locations and plans soon.

841 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:51:39pm

God hates Corduroy Skirts

[Link: godhatesprotesters.wordpress.com...]

(even though a very soft corduroy skirt can be toasty in the winter)

842 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:14pm

re: #831 Sharmuta

One of the commenters doesn't seem to appreciate support for Israel.

I'm thinking support for Israel might be a major road block for our new "friends".

I like this one.

...However it impressive that he has effectively parted with with the tea-bagging crowd, yet retained a huge reader/commenter base. Most of his posts have 300-500 comments and registration is full. I don't know how he does it.

Heh.

843 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:19pm

re: #835 Cato the Elder

About as effective as "Freedom Fries".

'Freedom Fries' is easier to say. Maybe "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries" is less wordy in Farsi.

844 Irish Rose  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:20pm

re: #814 avanti

The stalker blog will be so disappointed, they were hoping you were headed to the dark side. :)

I'm sure...

845 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:30pm

Damn all you RINOs and your utterly plausible sounding reasons for bashing the pseudo-conservative neo-Right!

///

846 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:46pm

re: #838 Sharmuta

No- all we do is read the Bible out loud. ///

Leviticus if we're really feeling wild and crazy.

847 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:51pm

re: #826 SanFranciscoZionist

I've always suspected that most people just muttered "Cheese Danish and a coffee" anyway. It's like asking for a 'venti' at Starbucks. Most people just cannot do it.

In Portland, I always get shit for saying "grande" instead of "16 oz" at indie coffee shops. I've just been conditioned by Starbucks for like 15 years ;_;

848 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:52:52pm

re: #837 Girth

I have a hard time saying venti with a straight face.

I have a hard time saying it with an accent!

849 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:53:18pm

re: #837 Girth
It's easier at the drive thru...///

850 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:54:01pm

re: #839 BryanS

Yeah--antisemitism on the far left is their version of hatred.

The far left and the far right hook up at Jew Hate Junction.

851 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:54:07pm

re: #841 webevintage

God hates Corduroy Skirts

[Link: godhatesprotesters.wordpress.com...]

(even though a very soft corduroy skirt can be toasty in the winter)

I have to say, I like corduroy skirts. Does he have scriptural support for that assertion?

852 Summer Seale  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:54:09pm

re: #845 ausador

Damn all you RINOs and your utterly plausible sounding reasons for bashing the pseudo-conservative neo-Right!

///

I call the fundie Republicans (and Democrats too): PINOs. Patriots In Name Only.

853 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:54:53pm

re: #838 Sharmuta

No- all we do is read the Bible out loud. ///

Listen to Skynard, get drunk, then go deer huntin'.

//

854 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:55:32pm

re: #853 Gus 802

Listen to Skynard, get drunk, then go deer huntin'.

//

MOOSE!

855 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:56:02pm

re: #840 iceweasel

I object! Iceweasels apparently can be domesticated, but are never tame, sir. And shrew-like qualities remain in evidence!

Hooray, btw! I will email you our top seekrit locations and plans soon.

I still believe you are in truth a fisher cat, left at birth in some unsuspecting iceweasel's burrow.

Fishers are, by the way, said to be the only creatures besides man that can kill and eat a porcupine without dying of quill infection. Jimmah, I know Scots are prickly, but take note!

856 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:56:30pm

re: #836 tradewind

Looks like the comments at Politico are pretty evenly divided beween lefty haters and righty haters, so you end up the winner in that deal.

Those comments are a bit weird in that they don't look to me to be representative (yet) of Politico readers. I think the word went out via the haters on twitter about ben Smith's post and the haters jumped in first.

857 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:56:49pm

Airbus A380: 5-star hotel on wings

The Airbus A380 is a true wonder of modern engineering. It is the largest airliner ever made, with a carrying capability of up to 853 passengers. Being 50% wider than the Boeing 747, it's closest competitor, the Airbus has truly surpassed all previous achievements of plane construction and interior design.

A380's level of comfort (well, at least for business-class passengers) is remarkable. The entire upper-deck is dedicated for premium passengers. All seats can be transformed into full-sized beds (190 cm in length) with a pillow and a mattress. Each passenger has his own mini-bar and a full-sized, bartender-serviced bar is available at the rear of the plane. And on top of all, there are two shower cabins available during flight.

Sergey Dolya, one of Russia's top bloggers, flew with Emirates last week to tell us the story of how flights could look like in the future.

858 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:57:17pm

re: #851 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say, I like corduroy skirts. Does he have scriptural support for that assertion?

I don't know, but I like lifting them. Up.

859 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:57:36pm

re: #843 SanFranciscoZionist

'Freedom Fries' is easier to say. Maybe "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries" is less wordy in Farsi.

Fortunately, yes. In a weird twist of fate, the Farsi pronunciation is "All'a'Daneesh"

860 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:58:10pm

I was just looking at the instructions on this bottle of antibiotics that my dentist gave me... it says "take one capsule by mouth four times a day."

This is a bit scary to consider, but why do they have to tell me "by mouth?" What other way would anyone try to take a pill? Would someone possibly try to shove it up their nose, in their eye, up their anu...

I don't understand.

861 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:58:23pm

re: #843 SanFranciscoZionist

'Freedom Fries' is easier to say. Maybe "Roses of the Prophet Mohammed Pastries" is less wordy in Farsi.

Most likely. And "roses" is also a poetic metaphor for "nipples".

862 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:58:35pm

re: #826 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!
They do know what a "large" is!

863 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:59:39pm

re: #861 Cato the Elder

Most likely. And "roses" is also a poetic metaphor for "nipples".

Is everything about nipples tonight?

864 bandit  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 9:59:48pm

Thank goodness for moderates. Why aren't we allowed to exist anymore? Why must we fall into camps on every issue? I'm a moderate on most things. For example, abortion is a difficult and divisive issue. Since we live in a free country that puts individuals first, the decision to abort has to be made by individuals who will live with the consequence. Does that make me "pro-choice"? Not really. I would never counsel anyone to have an abortion, but I recognize it's a point on which reasonable people can differ, and our country is about freedom.

Similarly, I support Israel. It is a vibrant democracy with an open and free press that is often critical of the government. It grants rights to citizens, whether male, female, arab, Jew, gay or straight. It allows Supreme Court petitions from non-citizen Palestinians that often come out in favor of the Palestinians. It has led the world in medical advances, research and humanitarian charity. Does my support of Israel brand me a conservative or zionist?

So congratulations on your "parting" Charles, but really the most disappointing thing is that you or anyone else felt that you were "affiliated" with the right or left in the first place. There is a political spectrum and a hell of a lot of us really belong in the center. Our two-party system, for all its strengths, compels us to choose sides. How unfortunate.

865 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:00:39pm

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

I was just looking at the instructions on this bottle of antibiotics that my dentist gave me... it says "take one capsule by mouth four times a day."

This is a bit scary to consider, but why do they have to tell me "by mouth?" What other way would anyone try to take a pill? Would someone possibly try to shove it up their nose, in their eye, up their anu...

I don't understand.

I would say that your opinion of people is a tad bit too lofty if you really don't think that someone, somewhere hasn't tried it before.

866 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:01:14pm

re: #851 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say, I like corduroy skirts. Does he have scriptural support for that assertion?

Leviticus 19 LOL translation:

18 No gettin back at peeples or makin drama. Free luvz to all! I IZ CEILING CAT.
19 Don't screw dees things up:
No shackin wif teh dog.
No raisin coca AND teh pot in teh same garage.
No pleather.
And no corduroy either.
I IZ CEILING CAT and I hates corduroy.

867 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:01:36pm
868 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:02:13pm

re: #840 iceweasel

I object! Iceweasels apparently can be domesticated, but are never tame, sir.

Objection sustained! We domit reciprocally and equally :)

869 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:02:47pm

re: #867 Marsoupial

Think McDonalds coffee labeled "Warning, HOT!"

I'm surprised toilets don't have warning labels telling us to pull down our pants.

870 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:03:07pm

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

Two small words to make the instructions *very* clear. I don't see a problem.

871 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:05:54pm

O/T:
Cognitive Dissonance alert...
A limited edition , genuine Mattel 'Burka Barbie ' is being sold in an effort to raise money for Save the Children. No shiite.
Must be ' save the boy children'... they can't be thinking about the welfare of the little girls.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

872 bwrader  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:06:57pm

All valid reasons...

Sad to see how crazy some people have gotten.

873 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:06:58pm

Is it time for the Overnight Motion Thread yet?

874 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:07:13pm

The Moderate Voice just did a post on this.

guy's name is Joe Gandelman...I feel like that is familiar, who is he?

875 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:07:54pm
876 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:09:05pm

re: #831 Sharmuta

I share this concern as well. I often feel like I'm on my own island: a social liberal who supports Israel's right to be and doesn't confuse Hamas with 'freedom fighters' nor view settlement construction in the West Bank as occupation.

877 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:09:05pm

I just read up on William Gibson. That is absafrikkinlutely cool that he reads LGF!

878 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:09:44pm

re: #856 iceweasel
Then again, Ben Smith's readers aren't really typical Politico readers, either.

879 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:09:45pm

re: #866 webevintage

Leviticus 19 LOL translation:

18 No gettin back at peeples or makin drama. Free luvz to all! I IZ CEILING CAT.
19 Don't screw dees things up:
No shackin wif teh dog.
No raisin coca AND teh pot in teh same garage.
No pleather.
And no corduroy either.
I IZ CEILING CAT and I hates corduroy.

Have mercy, Ceiling Cat!

All thy baseless phobias I can obey, but one:

Thou dost demand sacrificial furniture, yet I cannot afford anything but pleather.

How can I please thee and still feed my Jindo, Ceiling Cat?

If thou dost not relent, I shall renounce thee and worship Dog in thy place!

880 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:10:13pm

re: #873 Walter L. Newton

Is it time for the Overnight Motion Thread yet?

Do we need motion-sickness pills for that?

881 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:10:40pm
882 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:11:31pm

re: #874 iceweasel

He's a ventriloquist.///

883 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:11:39pm

re: #881 speakingtruthtogroupthink

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

884 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:11:45pm

Bye now!

885 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:11:49pm

re: #881 speakingtruthtogroupthink


I got a fever, and the only cure is more flounce!

886 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:11:59pm

Watched that one til it popped. Fun was had by all.

887 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:12:52pm
888 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:13:14pm

Just to prove that I am more "conservative" than any other wanna be neo-rightist out there I am hereby calling for the return of chastity belts on all females over the age of seven. Once they get married their husband will be given the key, obviously this will completely eliminate any need for sex-ed, birth control, or abortions.

See how simple it really is to solve all of Americas most divisive issues with one simple and very "conservative" law?

///

889 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:13:21pm

re: #879 Cato the Elder

CEILING CAT answers to no man. CEILING CAT has spoken.

890 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:13:48pm

re; #881 [deleted]

Flounce-O-Meter™ reads:

Whiney Flounce.

891 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:14:07pm

re: #884 Charles

Bye now!

Get ready for a lot more of that in the days to come.

Funny how you can be an apostate from a church you never joined.

892 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:14:22pm

re: #881 speakingtruthtogroupthink
You're toast in about a nanosecond, but you had one thing going for ya... a cool nic. Maybe someone who actually wants to post here will pick it up next time registration is open.

893 Jack Fate  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:14:26pm

Hi, I am new here. This post summarizes why I no longer self-identify as a "right winger" or "conservative".

894 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:14:59pm

Vintage, I love the God Hates Protesters site.

895 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:15:21pm

Time to haul out Bette Davis for the next 24 hours or so...

Fasten your seatbelts, boys, it's going to be a bumpy ride!

896 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:16:01pm

re: #866 webevintage

Leviticus 19 LOL translation:

18 No gettin back at peeples or makin drama. Free luvz to all! I IZ CEILING CAT.
19 Don't screw dees things up:
No shackin wif teh dog.
No raisin coca AND teh pot in teh same garage.
No pleather.
And no corduroy either.
I IZ CEILING CAT and I hates corduroy.

Outstanding!

897 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:16:02pm

Dramamine on the house!

898 Vercimber  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:16:11pm

I'm a little late to the party, and this is actually my first comment, but I wanted to say something about this.

Someone mentioned people like Michael Moore, and Cindy Sheehan, and Jimmy Carter before in a negative way. Someone may not agree with their stances, or their liberal views, but you cannot put Michael Moore or Cindy Sheehan or the vast majority of the "left" in the same category as what we see from the right now. Michael Moore makes movies about how important health care reform is (which it is, and I recommend ANY conservative who disagrees to read [Link: business.theatlantic.com...] and how evil and subversive our business culture has become (which it has). How is that in the same stratosphere as the outright lies and hate speech that Beck and Limbaugh spread? Cindy Sheehan protested a war that caused her to lose her child, how is that comparable to anything Pat Buchanan or Pat Robertson have said/done?

That's where the disconnect is at this point. The left (to me, as an independent) seems to want to approach situations with a rational, logical discussion about issues. The right seems to want to exclude everyone but a select few, do everything they can to subvert the process, smear anyone who disagrees or even TRIES to deal with issues, and perpetuate their medieval way of thinking, all while stoking fear and isolation.

People like Charles are a beacon of hope in a very dark time. It takes an incredible amount of courage to realize something is wrong, and stand up for it, especially when the dogs on the other side of the fence are barking so loud.

Our country has turned on itself, and we are beginning to cannibalize ourselves from the inside. People seem to forget what that we are all human beings; we are all born, we all suffer, we all die, and we all deserve decency and respect.

899 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:16:32pm

re: #883 Gus 802

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Where's my echo chamber? Waaah!

900 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:16:40pm

Wow this post was the best douchebag bait I've seen here in months. They are coming like the bugs in Starship Troopers. Stinky will be tired tonight.

901 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:16:59pm

re: #897 Irenicum
You got the drama part right...///

902 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:17:04pm

re: #898 Vercimber

Yep- the right is nothing but evil.

903 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:17:04pm

re: #877 Irenicum

Lazy one's request...
Linky?

904 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:17:06pm

re: #871 tradewind

O/T:
Cognitive Dissonance alert...
A limited edition , genuine Mattel 'Burka Barbie ' is being sold in an effort to raise money for Save the Children. No shiite.
Must be ' save the boy children'... they can't be thinking about the welfare of the little girls.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

It doesn't matter. All Barbies end up naked and having sex with Ken sooner or later.

Which is not to say that Barbie in a Burqa doesn't make my brain go sploik. In several ways.

905 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:17:52pm

The Ceiling Cat is all loving and Purrr-fect.
[Link: www.lolcatbible.com...]

turn thee from Basement Cat, it eats souls...

906 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:18:17pm

re: #899 Jimmah

Where's my echo chamber? Waaah!

It's in the basement. Just follow the chicken feathers.

/

907 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:18:39pm

re: #903 Floral Giraffe

I wiki'd his name and read the entry. It's decently long. I think I wanna start reading some of his stuff.

908 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:18:46pm

re: #906 Gus 802

It's in the basement. Just follow the chicken feathers.

/

In the basement, rubbing the lotion on its skin...

909 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:18:49pm

re: #902 Sharmuta

Yep- the right is nothing but evil.

It's evil!

910 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:18:56pm

re: #893 Jack Fate

Hi, I am new here. This post summarizes why I no longer self-identify as a "right winger" or "conservative".

Each side gets its turn on the funny farm. A sensible, ideas-rich Right will return some day, like they did in '94. As for now, right-wing crazies get talk show slots, like left-wing crazies get tenure. We'll see who ultimately proves to wreak the most lasting damage to the body politic.

911 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:19:03pm

Just because it seems so apt, somehow : Primitives - Crash

912 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:19:13pm

re: #898 Vercimber

Moore's a douchebag with an axe to grind who tries to pass his stuff off as documentary when in fact it's propaganda.

That being said I did like some of Fahrenheit 9/11. Some.

913 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:19:17pm

re: #900 ArchangelMichael

Wow this post was the best douchebag bait I've seen here in months. They are coming like the bugs in Starship Troopers. Stinky will be tired tonight.

heh. Yep.

914 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:19:40pm

re: #904 SanFranciscoZionist
Heard a tv pundit ask if suicide vest Ken was the accompaniment.
Seriously, Mattel manufactured this farce? Very bad move.
The anti-role model,... not that Barbie was ever such a great one of those...

915 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:20:21pm

re: #898 Vercimber

Actually I can easily put Sheehan, Carter, and Moore in the same room with Bachmann, Beck, and O'Reilly. The only question would be who emerges alive.

All of them would trade truth for power in a pulsebeat. All of them are media whores. All of them are liars and hypocrites.

Have you ever read about how Carter basely played the race card in Chicago?

Don't piss on my rubber ducky and tell me it's perfume.

916 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:20:31pm

re: #908 iceweasel

In the basement, rubbing the lotion on its skin...

Ace-O-Spuds Hand Cream™

Or try Uncle Jimbo's Shaving Butter™

917 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:21:21pm

re: #908 iceweasel

In the basement, rubbing the lotion on its skin...

"it puts the lotion on the skin, or else it gets the hose again"

918 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:21:33pm

re: #898 Vercimber

The right seems to want to exclude everyone but a select few, do everything they can to subvert the process, smear anyone who disagrees or even TRIES to deal with issues, and perpetuate their medieval way of thinking, all while stoking fear and isolation.

People like Charles are a beacon of hope in a very dark time. It takes an incredible amount of courage to realize something is wrong, and stand up for it, especially when the dogs on the other side of the fence are barking so loud.

An accurate description of the right at the moment, but hopefully not forever. And fully agree with the rest above.
Welcome!

919 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:22:13pm

re: #898 Vercimber

I'm sorry but I absolutely *DO* put Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan in the crazy pit...they so belong there. What are you thinking?

920 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:22:15pm
921 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:22:50pm

re: #917 webevintage

"it puts the lotion on the skin, or else it gets the hose again"

Careful now. Dan Riehl might be reading this.

922 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:23:12pm

re: #907 Irenicum

OK, I'll go look!

923 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:23:31pm

If your browser is slowing waaay down in this thread, I strongly advise ditching Internet Explorer and using Safari or Firefox instead.

IE is horrible with large web pages.

924 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:24:13pm

re: #916 Gus 802

Ace-O-Spuds Hand Cream™

Or try Uncle Jimbo's Shaving Butter™

Heh. I'm happy not trying anything that belongs to Ace or Uncle jimbo...and I'm pretty sure they use their "hand cream" and "shaving butter" for similar purposes, IYKWIMAITTYD.

925 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:24:23pm

re: #898 Vercimber

The left (to me, as an independent) seems to want to approach situations with a rational, logical discussion about issues

... Not so much. We can't even get 'em to put the freaking health care bill up on the internet for serious discussion.
They want to approach situations with ' don't muddy the issue with facts, we feel so deeply and care so much, what could go wrong?'

926 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:24:55pm

re: #913 iceweasel

Usul, we have flounce-sign the likes of which even God has never seen.

927 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:25:43pm

re: #924 iceweasel

Acronyms only work when other people know what the hell they mean without having to go look on another site to figure out the answer.

928 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:25:56pm

re: #926 ArchangelMichael
Actually, I'm surprised there haven't been more. This is nuthin' compared to a Limbaugh or abortion fest.

929 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:25:59pm

re: #921 Gus 802

Careful now. Dan Riehl might be reading this.

Dan Riehl can read? I know he can type, but I didn't think he could read.
/

930 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:26:22pm

re: #923 Charles

If your browser is slowing waaay down in this thread, I strongly advise ditching Internet Explorer and using Safari or Firefox instead.

IE is horrible with large web pages.

Or Chrome.

931 carey94tt  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:26:26pm

re: #923 Charles

Try Chrome...aside from the lack of plugin support.

932 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:26:29pm

re: #927 TheMatrix31

Acronyms only work when other people know what the hell they mean without having to go look on another site to figure out the answer.

Sucks to be you.

933 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:26:32pm

re: #914 tradewind

Heard a tv pundit ask if suicide vest Ken was the accompaniment.
Seriously, Mattel manufactured this farce? Very bad move.
The anti-role model,... not that Barbie was ever such a great one of those...

Well, that's the thing. I mean, first she had the ridiculous figure and the teeny feet molded into high heel posture so she couldn't walk barefoot or wear flats. Now a burqa? I mean, jeez, decide which culture is oppressing this doll already.

What is she wearing underneath the burqa?

934 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:27:04pm
935 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:27:12pm

re: #927 TheMatrix31

Acronyms only work when other people know what the hell they mean without having to go look on another site to figure out the answer.

If you have Firefox, highlight the acronym, right-click, and select "search Google for XYZ".

I know you're slow, so that tip is for free.

936 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:27:23pm

re: #921 Gus 802

Careful now. Dan Riehl might be reading this.

I think of most of us could riehly not care less if he is.

937 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:27:42pm

re: #915 Cato the Elder

Actually I can easily put Sheehan, Carter, and Moore in the same room with Bachmann, Beck, and O'Reilly. The only question would be who emerges alive.

My money is on O'Reilly.

938 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:27:55pm

Flounce!

939 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:15pm

re: #935 Cato the Elder

Wow, that's fucked up.

940 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:16pm

re: #934 caliphornian

They can never just go away and leave their accounts open. That would be...so reasonable...ah, who am I kiddin'?

941 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:27pm

re: #934 caliphornian

Wow. Civilized flounce.

942 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:36pm

re: #937 SanFranciscoZionist

My money is on O'Reilly.

Bachmann would go down first by thinking slitting her wrists for America would help.

943 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:38pm

re: #934 caliphornian

Dammit man! No insults or nothing? No whiney drama queen self glory? You can do better.

944 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:47pm

re: #938 Charles

Flounce-lite : less filling.

945 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:28:49pm

My radar detects a large cell of squabble about 50 nautical miles ahead.

946 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:29:08pm

re: #898 Vercimber

I am stupider for having read that. Maybe Micheal Moore will get some credibility when he unburdens himself from all that money in his posession the next time he rails against eeevil capitalism.

Apparently Cindy Sheehan is the only military family member in the USA to have a loved one killed in the last 8 years or so... and I guess we aren't supposed to listen to anybody else.

//

947 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:29:59pm

re: #939 TheMatrix31

Wow, that's fucked up.

Another bombshell aperçu from the bongmeister.

948 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:30:03pm

re: #934 caliphornian

By making a drama queen "oh teh humanity what a world!" post like you just did instead of having the self control required to just never log in again. Your account hanging around isn't going to give you centrist-cooties while you are ranting away at some kookspiracy ODS blog.

949 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:30:06pm

re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably decked out in Victoria's Secret lingerie, like the Saudi ladies.
No word yet if she's anatomically correct .**
**not sure how they'd depict female circumcision

950 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:30:21pm

re: #927 TheMatrix31

Acronyms only work when other people know what the hell they mean without having to go look on another site to figure out the answer.

FHEYCCSEDIPOGWQM! (With the full DZZJZCZ, of course;-)).

951 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:30:33pm

re: #945 Gus 802

My radar detects a large cell of squabble about 50 nautical miles ahead.

Objects in the mirror might be closer than they appear...

952 Patterico  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:30:34pm

I disagree.

953 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:31:28pm

re: #952 Patterico

I disagree.

Judges?

I'm sorry. Could you be a little more vague?

954 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:31:35pm

re: #952 Patterico

I disagree.

Really? I'm looking at it right here and that's what I'm seeing.

955 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:06pm

re: #952 Patterico

I disagree.

I object.

956 Summer Seale  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:12pm

re: #923 Charles

If your browser is slowing waaay down in this thread, I strongly advise ditching Internet Explorer and using Safari or Firefox instead.

IE is horrible with large web pages.

Chrome also works amazingly well. =)

957 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:12pm

re: #952 Patterico

Flounce-O-Meter;™ Reading:

Winner - shortest flounce category.

958 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:14pm

William Gibson's tweet about this post:

LGF: Feels like some rare astronomical event, something we hear about but don't bother hoping to see: somebody changing their mind.

959 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:25pm

re: #955 Sharmuta

I object.

Overruled!

960 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:27pm

re: #955 Sharmuta

I object.

I digress.

961 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:29pm

re: #952 Patterico

I disagree.

Sorry, this is arguments.

Disagreements is two doors down.

962 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:39pm

re: #959 Gus 802

Overruled!

Concur!

963 webevintage  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:47pm

re: #925 tradewind

... Not so much. We can't even get 'em to put the freaking health care bill up on the internet for serious discussion.
They want to approach situations with ' don't muddy the issue with facts, we feel so deeply and care so much, what could go wrong?'

Its right here:
[Link: lincoln.senate.gov...]

Today the GOP stopped the suggestion that "all health care reform amendments must first be posted online before being considered in order".

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]


"A message left with Enzi wasn't immediately returned. But on the floor, Enzi said he didn't trust the other party enough to go along. "In light of some of the trust problems and transparency problems we have, while this appears to lead to greater transparency, we can also see ways that this can limit the ability for the minority to offer amendments. And, therefore, I object," he said."

964 cliffster  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:48pm

re: #955 Sharmuta

I object.

I concur

965 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:53pm

re: #947 Cato the Elder

Another bombshell aperçu from the bongmeister.

Words only work when people already know them! Now I'll have to google bongmeister. :(

/

966 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:32:57pm

re: #960 Bagua

I digress.

I forget.

967 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:33:08pm

re: #962 Bagua

Concur!

Noted on the record.

968 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:33:27pm

re: #945 Gus 802

My radar detects a large cell of squabble about 50 nautical miles ahead.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

That would be Pam Geller and her multiple multiples.

969 leon77  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:34:38pm

Agreed...

970 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:35:04pm

re: #952 Patterico

If it's really Patterico, I'm interested in hearing what he has to say.
But, being the intertubes, it's easy for someone to take anothers name.
Still, let's hear some details, please?

971 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:35:25pm

re: #958 Charles

Seems a little unfair. There have been a lot of minds changed because of LGF.

972 drogheda  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:35:59pm

re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's the thing. I mean, first she had the ridiculous figure and the teeny feet molded into high heel posture so she couldn't walk barefoot or wear flats. Now a burqa? I mean, jeez, decide which culture is oppressing this doll already.

What is she wearing underneath the burqa?

Another burqa.

973 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:36:50pm

re: #968 Cato the Elder

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

That would be Pam Geller and her multiple multiples.

The Muslins are coming the Muslins ar comming!!!11111! lol

//

974 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:37:03pm

re: #949 tradewind

Probably decked out in Victoria's Secret lingerie, like the Saudi ladies.
No word yet if she's anatomically correct .**
**not sure how they'd depict female circumcision

There's a scene in one of Gina Nahai's books where the heroine sees a famous prostitute on the streets of Tehran (I think), wearing nothing but a chador and high boots. But she's a crazy rebel, and is, I think, drunk.

Barbie has never had a clitoris, so FGM will not be an issue. Don't think it's done in Afghanistan anyway.

975 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:37:25pm

re: #963 webevintage
Oh, that's right. Ms Lincoln did manage to blackmail them into that one, along with a whole bunch of money for AR. Good for her...///
Sorry, but you won't be able to convince me that the left is generally interested in a free flow of information when it comes to policy making. Look at POTUS. He was elected on the premise that he would a ) change the way DC operated, partisan-wise, and b) get rid of lobbyists as a factor. He's done just the opposite.

976 Racer X  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:38:02pm

I think the GOP is going to lose a lot of supporters once they adopt the Purity Test

977 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:38:12pm

re: #957 Bagua

Flounce-O-Meter;™ Reading:

Winner - shortest flounce category.

I heard it was a lot like Gerard Van der Loonies piece.

978 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:38:14pm

re: #971 Sharmuta

Credit is rarely given to positive news. As is so often the case. I can only hope that many other bloggers start to expound on the lemming-ness of the reactionaries/revanchists.

979 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:38:55pm

re: #974 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't think it's done in Afghanistan anyway.

Really, in the heart of Taliban land?
That's surprising.

980 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:39:16pm

re: #974 SanFranciscoZionist

Barbie has never had a clitoris [...]

How would you know? ;^)

981 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:39:24pm

re: #976 Racer X
It's already been scrapped.

982 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:39:51pm

re: #971 Sharmuta

Seems a little unfair. There have been a lot of minds changed because of LGF.

I cant speak for sure about William Gibson, but a lot of blogs posting these "wow I actually agree with LGF" still think this place is some Islamophobic racist hate monger far right kook site just slightly to the left of Stormfront. Which of course has never been true. It only looks that way through Code Pink colored glasses.

983 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:40:12pm

re: #968 Cato the Elder
"Release the flying monkeys!"

984 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:40:54pm

re: #975 tradewind

Look at POTUS. He was elected on the premise that he would a ) change the way DC operated, partisan-wise, and b) get rid of lobbyists as a factor. He's done just the opposite.

False.

Lobbyists pushed off advisory panels
White House initiative to limit influence could affect thousands

Hundreds, if not thousands, of lobbyists are likely to be ejected from federal advisory panels as part of a little-noticed initiative by the Obama administration to curb K Street's influence in Washington, according to White House officials and lobbying experts.

The new policy -- issued with little fanfare this fall by the White House ethics counsel -- may turn out to be the most far-reaching lobbying rule change so far from President Obama, who also has sought to restrict the ability of lobbyists to get jobs in his administration and to negotiate over stimulus contracts.

985 LotharBot  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:41:02pm

re: #864 bandit

Since we live in a free country that puts individuals first, the decision to abort has to be made by individuals who will live with the consequence.

We also live in a country that protects vulnerable individuals from those who don't have their best interests in mind.

And we live in a country where both major political parties act like we should have exactly the same abortion laws for a just-fertilized egg and a healthy, viable 39-week fetus.

That's what makes abortion such a contentious and divisive issue.

986 Girth  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:41:17pm

re: #981 tradewind

It's already been scrapped.

Wha happened?

Surely Mr. Bopp couldn't have grown a brain in such a short time.

987 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:41:26pm

re: #975 tradewind

Sorry, but you won't be able to convince me that the left is generally interested in a free flow of information when it comes to policy making.

As opposed to Dick "Dick" Cheney and his energy commission?

Seriously, what administration has ever not payed lip-service to "transparency" while putting up directional-microphone-proof jalousies on all the windows?

988 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:42:14pm

The Primitives are full of succulent aptness tonight : Way Behind Me

989 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:43:33pm

re: #982 ArchangelMichael
That is one example of a problem I have with the left wing: they would assign rightwing-ery to anyone who expresses outrage over the attacks of 9-11 and shows further concern re the spread of radical Islam and national security.

990 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:43:51pm

BTW, to pimp one of the links I posted, on the Antarctic Climate Change and the Environment Report... I'm reading/skimming it and wow, what a sizeable amount of research it summarizes.

Lots of good stuff in there... but it is very technical in areas.

The chapters provide detail background on many aspects of climate change, covering more than just the Antarctic. Lots of comparisons between the northern and southern hemisphere.

For the science nerd, but worth it.

991 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:43:51pm

re: #952 Patterico

I disagree.

With what?

Does the curtain design not match the wood floors?

992 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:43:52pm

re: #978 freetoken

Credit is rarely given to positive news. As is so often the case. I can only hope that many other bloggers start to expound on the lemming-ness of the reactionaries/revanchists.

Seems some new readers don't know much about the history of this site, is all. A lot of minds were changed because of VB and the Discovery Institute and if it weren't for LGF changing those minds, I don't know where many of us who had our minds changed would be right now. Ignorant of euro-fascists? Ignorant of evolution? These are closely tied- and if not for LGF, many of us wouldn't have had the insight to see the problems with the tea parties. Which reminds me of all the minds changed on that issue.

I'm happy for Charles a prominent author is reading LGF, it's just unfortunate he doesn't realize how common it is for minds to change at this site.

993 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:44:29pm

re: #987 Cato the Elder

As opposed to Dick "Dick" Cheney and his energy commission?

Seriously, what administration has ever not payed lip-service to "transparency" while putting up directional-microphone-proof jalousies on all the windows?

That thing is still under wraps and barred from the FOIA. The only thing they released was a few maps of oil fields in Iraq and such. It also marked the end of Bush's position in siding with carbon caps and led to the resignation of Christine Todd Whitman.

994 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:44:30pm

re: #984 iceweasel
Laughable. He's actually hired lobbyists.
And the health care thing is causing them to swarm into DC.

995 fried spam  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:44:37pm

Charles, I disagree with your opinion about many, perhaps most, of these folks.

996 erraticsphinx  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:05pm

Oooh, tweets about to hit 5000!

997 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:10pm

re: #932 iceweasel

Sucks to be you.

She Who Must be Obeyed and I will be in the UK over the holidays, coincidentally for a wedding, which includes an original Silly Wizard (ask Jimmah). Where can we get some light goggles so we don't commit suicide dealing with the 7 1/2 hours of daylight? Where can we get sufficient drugs not to commit suicide flying into The Hell That Is Heathrow? Enquiring minds, &c.

Oh, and to your betrothed, "Jimmah! Buy us a pint, then, there's a good lad!"

These are obviously rhetorical questions.

Unless you guys want to get together at The George for a pint of Abbot's.

And to all, a good night!

998 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:15pm

re: #984 iceweasel


Instead, they'll probably just get some cabinet level position or Czar appointment.

999 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:24pm

re: #979 tradewind

Really, in the heart of Taliban land?
That's surprising.

It's an Arab and African thing, not traditional in the Stans or the Subcontinent that I know of. Only way I'd expect to see it come in is if foreign jihadis brought it with them, but since it's usually done by women and supervised by female relatives...hey, something positive about Afghanistan!

1000 Cato the Elder  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:28pm

re: #995 fried spam

Charles, I disagree with your opinion about many, perhaps most, of these folks.

Well!

1001 The Left  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:29pm

re: #982 ArchangelMichael

I cant speak for sure about William Gibson, but a lot of blogs posting these "wow I actually agree with LGF" still think this place is some Islamophobic racist hate monger far right kook site just slightly to the left of Stormfront. Which of course has never been true. It only looks that way through Code Pink colored glasses.

It looked that way to people whose only knowledge of LGF came from old comments by the genocidal freaks who now populate stalker sites. Although those comments were in no way representative of Charles or LGF as a whole, and only representative of Charles' unwillingness to play cop, many people (on the left too) used those comments to paint all of LGF a certain way.

1002 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:45:47pm

re: #980 Cato the Elder

How would you know? ;^)

:)

1003 tradewind  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:46:24pm

re: #987 Cato the Elder
The difference is that it was the basis of Obama's entire presidential campaign. Now he's puzzled and irritated that his presidential policy speeches are not received as warmly as his campaign speeches.

1004 freetoken  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:47:18pm

re: #995 fried spam

Charles, I disagree with your opinion about many, perhaps most, of these folks.

Correlates well with your karma.

1005 Gus  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:47:31pm

re: #1000 Cato the Elder

Well!

Take that!

1006 Bagua  Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:47:45pm

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