ElBaradei: ‘I’m Not Taking Sides’ on the Destruction of Israel

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In an interview with the Washington Post, the leader of the UN’s blind, toothless International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei (on whose watch Iran’s nuclear weapons program has been able to advance almost unhindered), compares Iran to Japan and asks, “Why isn’t the world worried about Japan?

So you think it’s Iran versus the West?

Well, it’s a competition between Iran and the West. Iran wants to have its role as a regional security power recognized. They feel they are the most powerful state in the region right now, and that is true, to a large extent… .

They see that if you have the technology that can allow you to develop a nuclear weapon in a short period of time, it gives you power, prestige and security. So it’s a security issue [relating to] how great a role Iran will have as a regional power, the grievances the West has vis-�-vis Iran about alleged Iranian support for extremist groups, about its human rights record. All these are legitimate issues, but these issues are not going to be resolved by calling each other names across the ocean. When you call Iran [part of] “an axis of evil,” you do not expect them to say, “Well, we will give up our nuclear program.” Obviously, they look for their own security, and they have seen that if you have nuclear weapons or at least the technology, you are somehow protected from an attack… . Obama’s change of page is absolutely, in my view, the way to go… .

The concern about Iran … is that if Iran were to develop [nuclear] technology, they’d walk out of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, they’d develop highly enriched uranium and the weapon. These ifs are based on, “I don’t trust Iran’s future intentions.” … Why isn’t the world worried about Japan, which has the full cycle of technology? Because there is trust that this country is not aiming to develop nuclear weapons.

But that’s not all. ElBaradei also denies that Iran has issued numerous statements calling for Israel to be utterly destroyed.

The Japanese government hasn’t said that its aim is to destroy the state of Israel.

There have been a lot of offensive statements, frankly, on the part of Iran, although from what I understand, Iran wants a one-state solution [to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict] — not, as reported in the media, that Israel should be wiped off the map.

And ElBaradei won’t “take sides” on whether Israel should cease to exist.

And you know that one state means the end of Israel because there are more Palestinians than Jews.

I’m not taking sides on that… .

Note to this malevolent ogre: you just did take sides.

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328 comments
1 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:28:58am

Charles-you say it like it’s news.

2 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:30:35am
3 pegcity  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:30:54am

is anyone out there not 100% convinced this guy is working for the Mullahs?

4 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:31:09am

Well that is neutral.

As in “I don’t take sides on the Nazi liquidation of Jews”.

Very neutral and objective.

/

BTW - the same language will be used to justify the fairness doctrine. Orwell.

5 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:31:47am

There are no mean people with centrifuges in Iran!
—ElBaradei in a helmet

6 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:32:09am

re: #3 pegcity

is anyone out there not 100% convinced this guy is working for the Mullahs?

53% per the results of our last election.

7 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #3 pegcity

is anyone out there not 100% convinced this guy is working for the Mullahs?


Obama is the Mullah’s B!tcatch

no sarc

8 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:32:31am

some Freudian slip there I’d say

9 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:33:10am

re: #4 karmic_inquisitor

To create a level playing field, the first thing you bulldoze is the truth.

/Socialist

10 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:33:11am

Can we get rid of the UN now?

11 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:33:21am

The UN has always been and always be useless and corrupt.

12 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:03am

When you call Iran [part of] “an axis of evil,” you do not expect them to say, “Well, we will give up our nuclear program.”

I don’t believe this was the intent of labeling them part of the axis of evil, you moron.

13 tfc3rid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:19am

Seems like he is very chummy with the Iranians… He wouldn’t be a secret agent would he?

14 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:28am

re: #10 Kosh’s Shadow

Can we get rid of the UN now?


Nope
They are ready for the US Armed Forces to be handed over to them

15 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:38am

re: #11 NYCHardhat

The UN has always been and always be useless and corrupt.

Maybe not in 1947-48, but it didn’t take long after that for the UN to try to undo the only think they did right that I can think of.

16 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:42am

This is the guy in charge of the agency who’s job it is to stop countries from getting the bomb?

17 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:11am

re: #12 bellamags

When you call Iran [part of] “an axis of evil,” you do not expect them to say, “Well, we will give up our nuclear program.”

I don’t believe this was the intent of labeling them part of the axis of evil, you moron.

…………Bella, the term Axis of Evil will soon be going the way of the term War on Terror.

18 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #17 smokefire

…………Bella, the term Axis of Evil will soon be going the way of the term War on Terror.

yep

19 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:38am
20 Bosch Fawstin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:40am

The UN nuclear watchdog’s name is Mohammed……..

21 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:36:08am

re: #20 Bosch Fawstin

The UN nuclear watchdog’s name is Mohammed……..


Nuff said

22 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:36:37am

re: #15 Kosh’s Shadow

when they’ve been letting in any dictator with a backyard to call his own, what can you expect

23 RaiderDan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:37:01am

Some how I have a feeling that when Iran announces it has a nuclear bomb the first words out of this guy’s mouth will be.


“Allahu Ackbar!”

24 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:37:04am

re: #20 Bosch Fawstin

The UN nuclear watchdog’s name is Mohammed……..

that dog don’t watch

25 bombarafat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:37:23am

the nuclear watchdog is supposed to be unbiased tough and ruthless
not biased , rough and toothless.

26 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #23 RaiderDan

Some how I have a feeling that when Iran announces it has a nuclear bomb the first words out of this guy’s mouth will be.

“Allahu Ackbar!”

…………and from out of the UN’s mouth…………………We had no idea this was going on!

27 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:15am

Nuclear lapdogre: #20 Bosch Fawstin

Nuclear lapdog

28 Indefatigable  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:25am

Let me see:

Threats from Japan - Inexpensive, quality electronics. Actually scary horror films. Quality automobiles. Teeth-grinding cartoons and unexplainable game shows (okay, those last two are pretty dangerous).

Hmm… what don’t I see?

Oh, right. Threatening to destroy the state of Israel. You see, they have better things to do, like try and improve their own nation. Funny how much you can get done when you do that instead of focusing on killing everyone you don’t like.

29 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:29am

re: #16 abaleh

This is the guy in charge of the agency who’s job it is to stop countries from getting the bomb?

Wait, I thought 0bama was going to do that.
To the US.

30 Ron Shaw  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:38am

Quite naturally he agrees that Obama is on the right page…Iranian appeasement and tacid approval for Iran’s nuclear aspirations nothing short of wiping Israel off the face of the earth which, of course, he has not ‘heard’ their leader say…this guy continues to enable and he still could not find an elephant in a thimble…sick!

31 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #11 NYCHardhat

hey there hardhat. watcha doin?

32 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:40:38am

“They see that if you have the technology that can allow you to develop a nuclear weapon in a short period of time, it gives you power, prestige and security.”

Self-esteem through radiation; it’s the modern way.

33 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:41:35am

So I ended up clicking a link from Pajamas Media to JammieWearingFool, read the whole thing, and ended up here yesterday today.

Original spinoff was posted by mean Gene.

No matter where you go, here you are, I guess :)

34 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:41:59am

From the wiki on ElB:

Responding to French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warnings that the world had to be prepared for the possibility of war if Iran acquired atomic weapons, ElBaradei characterized talk of attacking Iran as “hype”, saying: “I would not talk about any use of force. There are rules on how to use force, and I would hope that everybody would have gotten the lesson after the Iraq situation, where 70,000 innocent civilians have lost their lives on the suspicion that a country has nuclear weapons.”

Saddam Hussein hadn’t nothing to do with it, evidently.

ElBaradei is a tool.

35 anonyrat714  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:34am

A minor insignificant difference between Iran and Japan is that Japan doesn’t believe that “chaos throughout the land” is a precondition for the hidden imam to return so that the muslims can take their rightful place as rulers of the world.

Give i’minadinnerjacket the bomb, and he may decide his role is to speed up the return of the hidden imam.

36 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #33 jwb7605
Are we the One we have been waiting for ?
/

37 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:40am
38 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:43:20am

The UN:

Put a guy named Muhammed in charge of making sure that Israel doesn’t get nuked.


Think about that for a moment.

39 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:43:31am

It is way past time to get out of the UN. This collection of dictators and terrorist apologists are undoubtedly the biggest hoax ever to be perpetrated on the American people. Even bigger than the election of Obama. Not much in this world frightens me but these bozos do. They are constantly at odds with what is good for the United States. Their “Peace Keepers” are anything but and usually end up making things worse than before they arrived! Now that the left has been elected to power, we really need to worry about when the UN will turn their eyes on the U.S.. There have already been calls from the left for the UN to monitor our elections. Can blue helmeted troops in our streets be far behind?

40 Preptile  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:43:34am

Leave it to the UN to make the ultimate in PC hires,and holdovers.
A closet islamist would not have been my choice to watch over theocrats
desiring nuclear weaponry.
Ban ki Moon should have found employment for John Bolton instead.
He has shown to be considerably more trustworthy.

41 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:44:08am

Dear Mr. ElBaradei: Fuck You.
Sincerely,
A Christian Zionist who hasn’t forgotten Iran and 1979.

42 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:44:23am

Iran’s nuclear energy program = nuclear weapons
Iran wants a one-state solution = the destruction of Israel

Is everybody aware, Mohamed ElBaradei’s wife is the cousin of a leading mullah in the ruling Council of Guardians of the Iranian regime?

43 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:44:36am

re: #38 astronmr20

The UN:

Put a guy named Muhammed in charge of making sure that Israel doesn’t get nuked.


Think about that for a moment.


They did
“Sounds like a plan to me”

44 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:44:43am

re: #39 HillJack

It is way past time to get out of the UN. This collection of dictators and terrorist apologists are undoubtedly the biggest hoax ever to be perpetrated on the American people. Even bigger than the election of Obama. Not much in this world frightens me but these bozos do. They are constantly at odds with what is good for the United States. Their “Peace Keepers” are anything but and usually end up making things worse than before they arrived! Now that the left has been elected to power, we really need to worry about when the UN will turn their eyes on the U.S.. There have already been calls from the left for the UN to monitor our elections. Can blue helmeted troops in our streets be far behind?

A few of our grandmothers could take care of a Blue Helmet problem in the US if that ever happened.

45 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:45:02am

The weak West sits by while Germany builds up its luftwaffe the mullahs build up their centrifuges.

God help us

46 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:45:29am

And you know that one state means the end of Israel because there are more Palestinians than Jews.

I’m not taking sides on that… .

It’s above his pay grade.

47 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:46:37am
Why isn’t the world worried about Japan, which has the full cycle of technology? Because there is trust that this country is not aiming to develop nuclear weapons.

At it’s miltaristic worst, Japan attacked American miltary targets, not civilians, not children. Harsh, brutal and ruthless yes…..but honorable in it’s choice of targets nonetheless (I am excluding the China incident of course). The same cannot be said for Iran.

Thsi guy is a classic example of one who’s educated to the point of being stupid. He might as well compare Iran to the menace of Lichtenstein as well.
This guy is dangerously stupid and ill equipped to be the watchdog of anything other than a bunch of nerf toys.

48 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:46:53am
49 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:47:01am

re: #38 astronmr20

The UN:

Put a guy named Muhammed in charge of making sure that Israel doesn’t get nuked.

Think about that for a moment.

people take the UN way too seriously…the laughingstock of international orgs….it’s a criminal enterprise that gets people killed yet some guy can come along and tell the world what’s up?….it’s simply living in fantasy land

50 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:47:42am

bbiaw

51 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #46 Cygnus

And you know that one state means the end of Israel because there are more Palestinians than Jews.

I’m not taking sides on that… .

It’s above his pay grade.


Jr. Senator is above his paygrade
POTUS…

52 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:47:57am

And just because we could always use another laugh,
[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com…]

53 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:48:28am

“Speaking to the Newsweek magazine, ElBaradei said that instead of using unilateral force, Israel should have provided the nuclear watchdog with the intelligence it had.”

ynetnews

So that he could then justify why Syria thinks it needs nuclear weapons as legitimate tools in asserting its position in the Middle East

54 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:48:40am
Why isn’t the world worried about Japan, which has the full cycle of technology?

They are. Japan could buy Israel in a second!

55 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:48:46am

The Saudis are more afraid of Iran than is Israel.

56 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:48:58am

re: #41 realwest

Dear Mr. ElBaradei: Fuck You.
Sincerely,
A Christian Zionist who hasn’t forgotten Iran and 1979.

Realwest.

A+, UPDING.

Clear, concise, and to the point.
Nothing more to be said.

57 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:48:58am

It sounds like it’s time for a Mega tipped bunker buster for Iran. Stop the rhetoric and start making dirt fly every time it looks like they are making major progress. Write it off as an “internal accident” while developing “peaceful” nuclear energy… hehehe

58 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:49:01am

“I think people are distrustful of politicians and are looking for someone who is telling the truth with no hidden agenda … and that’s what we have been doing.”
— M. El Baradei

Can a lie be any more transparent?

59 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:49:03am

re: #42 Kenneth

Iran’s nuclear energy program = nuclear weapons
Iran wants a one-state solution = the destruction of Israel

Is everybody aware, Mohamed ElBaradei’s wife is the cousin of a leading mullah in the ruling Council of Guardians of the Iranian regime?

I was not aware of that fact. I am aware that he is a worthless bureaucrat that does absolutely NOTHING to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons though.

60 MJ  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:49:41am

No one expects or expected the UN to do something about Iranian nuclear weapons.

The real problem, is the West’s non-response to the Iranian push to develop nuclear weapons.

Both the EU and the US have used the UN to as cover for not confronting Iran.

Mohamed ElBaradei is pushing the Iranian agenda.

61 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:49:47am

re: #55 Golem Akbar
Hi Golem - I’ve heard that said before, but never understood why. Is it because Iran is Persian and the Magic Kingdom is Arab?

62 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:01am

While speaking of semantic chicanery and dishonesty, Obama has just characterized the differences between Republicans and Democrats on the “stimulus” bill as, get this -

“very modest”

[Link: finance.yahoo.com…]

President Barack Obama said Monday that “very modest differences” over a massive package to revive the economy should not delay its swift passage, a fresh appeal to Congress as the nation dealt with another dose of dire financial news.

Our president is an asshole.

63 raven1  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:01am

The leader of the UN’s International Atomic Agency is blind and edentulous.

64 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:10am

re: #53 abaleh

“Speaking to the Newsweek magazine, ElBaradei said that instead of using unilateral force, Israel should have provided the nuclear watchdog with the intelligence it had.”

ynetnews

So that he could then justify why Syria thinks it needs nuclear weapons as legitimate tools in asserting its position in the Middle East

And so that the Iranians and Syrians would know which targets Israel knows about, so they can move them.
Giving this info to the IAEA is like giving the neighborhood cat the map to all the birds nests in the area.

65 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Veni, vidi, dormivit.

66 Irenike  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:14am

Let’s see. This is tough. The reason we don’t worry about Japan right now is because they’re not evil anymore. Iran is. Japan used to be an evil empire, and we fixed that with a couple of nukes.

Notice how this guy believes that if Iran has weapons like everybody else, their self-esteem will be in better shape. They’ll feel better about everything. They won’t attack anybody else because, by some magical process, uh, they just won’t. And if they attack Israel, oh well.

The left is convincing itself that Iran with nukes is no big deal. The left will not take a stand on Israel’s survival. Obama, from what I can see, is on the same page as ElBaradei. Mark my words, President O is going to sell Israel down the river, because like ElBaradei, he doesn’t think a nuclear Iran is a big deal, and a nuked Israel isn’t really in his pay grade.

67 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #36 ThinkRight

Are we the One we have been waiting for ?
/

heh®
The whole process reminded me of the discussion about PJM folding part of their operation, and the what-to-do-about-it stuff.

68 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:38am

re: #55 Golem Akbar

I agree. Israel can and will take care of itself. Whether the UN wants it to or not. Of course they will be condemned by the UN in the most severe terms while doing it.

69 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:50:53am

re: #53 abaleh

“Speaking to the Newsweek magazine, ElBaradei said that instead of using unilateral force, Israel should have provided the nuclear watchdog with the intelligence it had.”

ynetnews

So that he could then justify why Syria thinks it needs nuclear weapons as legitimate tools in asserting its position in the Middle East

Right. Translation: “Israel should have even saved a step and provided the intelligence it had directly to Syria.”

70 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #56 smokefire
Why thank you smokefire, I appreciate that!

71 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #65 godfrey

Trans:

I came, I saw, I conked out.

72 Tuari  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:52:05am
And you know that one state means the end of Israel because there are more Palestinians than Jews.

I’m not taking sides on that…

It’s a mental disorder. They don’t realize that they say these things and disprove what they just said. “I will not take sides on the fact that the blue sky is blue.”

73 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:52:14am

re: #53 abaleh

“Speaking to the Newsweek magazine, ElBaradei said that instead of using unilateral force, Israel should have provided the nuclear watchdog with the intelligence it had.”

ynetnews

So that he could then justify why Syria thinks it needs nuclear weapons as legitimate tools in asserting its position in the Middle East

YAWN

Ask me if I care, go ahead ask me.

Do you care?

Funny you should ask me.
No I don’t care

74 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:52:21am

Better headline for this story: Iran compared to Japan by moran.

75 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:52:37am

ElBaradei:

Cogito, ergo BOOM

76 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:52:52am

re: #59 Desert Dog

I was not aware of that fact. I am aware that he is a worthless bureaucrat that does absolutely NOTHING to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons though.

I am convinced AlBaradei is working to stymie any attempts to stop the Iranian programme. He cannot not know what they are doing. He cannot not know what the mullahs intend to do with their nuclear weapons.

77 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:52:59am

re: #47 LGoPs

At it’s miltaristic worst, Japan attacked American miltary targets, not civilians, not children. Harsh, brutal and ruthless yes…..but honorable in it’s choice of targets nonetheless (I am excluding the China incident of course). The same cannot be said for Iran.

Thsi guy is a classic example of one who’s educated to the point of being stupid. He might as well compare Iran to the menace of Lichtenstein as well.
This guy is dangerously stupid and ill equipped to be the watchdog of anything other than a bunch of nerf toys.

I would count the Japanese of today as honorable. But, you are stretching it a bit to consider them honorable during their “imperialistic phase”. They did not do the methodical genocide the Germans did, but they were anything but honorable in every area they invaded. Killing, rape, torture, looting, slavery is what they brought with them……

78 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:53:11am

re: #75 godfrey

ElBaradei:

Cogito, ergo BOOM

I think, therefore I’m splodey?

79 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

That’s part of it, but I think it mostly has to do with Wahhabism vs. Shia Islam.
The Wahhabis abhor saint glorification, and Shia Islam is pretty much based on the premise of a saint, so they’re natural enemies.

80 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:53:32am

re: #75 godfrey

ElBaradei:

Cogito, ergo BOOM

Cognito blowed up real good?

81 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:53:33am

re: #58 jaunte
“Can a lie be any more transparent?”
No.
.
.
.
How are you doing juante? I’m actually not sure if a lie could be anymore transparent but I tried to focus on Obama and got SO caught up in the sheer volume of his lies, that my answer to your question was No.

82 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:53:43am

re: #77 Desert Dog

I would count the Japanese of today as honorable. But, you are stretching it a bit to consider them honorable during their “imperialistic phase”. They did not do the methodical genocide the Germans did, but they were anything but honorable in every area they invaded. Killing, rape, torture, looting, slavery is what they brought with them……

Yep. The Rape of Nanking comes to mind.

83 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:06am

re: #68 HillJack

I agree. Israel can and will take care of itself. Whether the UN wants it to or not. Of course they will be condemned by the UN in the most severe terms while doing it.

……………after the smoke has cleared over Tehran, that is

84 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:28am

re: #66 Irenike

Let’s see. This is tough. The reason we don’t worry about Japan right now is because they’re not evil anymore. Iran is. Japan used to be an evil empire, and we fixed that with a couple of nukes.

[SNIP]


I’ve noticed there are a lot of Firesign Theatre fans on this forum.
That reminds me of one of my favorite skits on an album (George Tirebiter war stuff) where the Jap yells at the American:
Hey Joe, who wonna the seconda worlda wara, hey?

85 Miss Molly  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:37am

Of course this guy will do nothing to stop Iran from getting the bomb except to cheer them on. And Barry will do nothing except to sit there and say “and” , “and”, “and”…….

86 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:51am

Japan!?!?!?!?!? Well I will say this. People fear Japan more then anyone will EVER fear the UN.

87 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:57am

re: #66 Irenike

Let’s see. This is tough. The reason we don’t worry about Japan right now is because they’re not evil anymore. Iran is. Japan used to be an evil empire, and we fixed that with a couple of nukes.

Notice how this guy believes that if Iran has weapons like everybody else, their self-esteem will be in better shape. They’ll feel better about everything. They won’t attack anybody else because, by some magical process, uh, they just won’t. And if they attack Israel, oh well.

The left is convincing itself that Iran with nukes is no big deal. The left will not take a stand on Israel’s survival. Obama, from what I can see, is on the same page as ElBaradei. Mark my words, President O is going to sell Israel down the river, because like ElBaradei, he doesn’t think a nuclear Iran is a big deal, and a nuked Israel isn’t really in his pay grade.

Excellent.

Carried further, Israel should be considered benign and docile because it has had nukes for sometime. But is Israel considered that way by the “international community”?

88 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:59am

re: #83 smokefire

re: #83 smokefire

……………after the smoke has cleared over Tehran, that is


Suits me just fine.

89 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #75 godfrey

ElBaradei:

Cogito, ergo BOOM

Here’s a T-shirt/Bumper sticker idea: Cogito ergo non 0bama
Translation: “I think, therefore I’m not 0bama.”

90 horse  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:55:28am

He isn’t taking sides on the issue, either a one state solution or Israel is wiped off the face of the planet are acceptable.

91 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:55:43am

re: #84 jwb7605

I’ve noticed there are a lot of Firesign Theatre fans on this forum.
That reminds me of one of my favorite skits on an album (George Tirebiter war stuff) where the Jap yells at the American:
Hey Joe, who wonna the seconda worlda wara, hey?

Not responsible! Park and lock it!

92 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:55:49am
When you call Iran [part of] “an axis of evil,” you do not expect them to say, “Well, we will give up our nuclear program.

So he’s saying if we hadn’t called them part of “an axis of evil” they would have willingly given up thier nuclear program?

That people who believe this are listened to in some quarters is truly scary.

93 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #81 realwest

Hi realwest. It is sickening how many lies we hear from political figures both here and internationally. Doubly so when the purported ‘watchdogs’ are asleep.

94 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:56:13am

re: #68 HillJack
“Of course they will be condemned by the UN in the most severe terms while doing it.”
Oh no. You don’t mean the U.N. will send a strongly worded letter to Israel, do you?
/

95 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:56:20am

re: #76 Kenneth

I am convinced AlBaradei is working to stymie any attempts to stop the Iranian programme. He cannot not know what they are doing. He cannot not know what the mullahs intend to do with their nuclear weapons.

I think you finally have it….further the UN is an enemy to free men, and of course Africans, everwhere

96 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:56:44am
97 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:00am

re: #94 realwest

“Of course they will be condemned by the UN in the most severe terms while doing it.”
Oh no. You don’t mean the U.N. will send a strongly worded letter to Israel, do you?
/

Yep. Ain’t it horrible!

98 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:13am

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius

99 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #77 Desert Dog

I would count the Japanese of today as honorable. But, you are stretching it a bit to consider them honorable during their “imperialistic phase”. They did not do the methodical genocide the Germans did, but they were anything but honorable in every area they invaded. Killing, rape, torture, looting, slavery is what they brought with them……

the Japanese were bloodthirsty animals as cruel as anyone has ever been in history

100 raven1  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:30am

Even though Barak Obama can see and he has teeth, I figure he is blind and edentulous also.

101 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:32am
102 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:36am

Nefarious ….. OOOOooooo

103 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:11am
104 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:13am

And to think, there are actually a bunch of people who advocate a one world government ruled by the U.N.

105 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:18am

re: #77 Desert Dog

I would count the Japanese of today as honorable. But, you are stretching it a bit to consider them honorable during their “imperialistic phase”. They did not do the methodical genocide the Germans did, but they were anything but honorable in every area they invaded. Killing, rape, torture, looting, slavery is what they brought with them……

I don’t disagree. I did say they were brutal and ruthless. My main point was that in launching the surprise attack that America described as the Day of Infamy, they chose a well defended miltary base, not defenseless civilian targets.

106 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:30am

re: #101 buzzsawmonkey

Uncle!

107 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #94 realwest

“Of course they will be condemned by the UN in the most severe terms while doing it.”
Oh no. You don’t mean the U.N. will send a strongly worded letter to Israel, do you?
/

………….note from UN to Israel

naughty Jews, you must stop this action on the peace loving Islamic nation of Iran.

108 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:36am

OT -Tokyo getting a thin layer of ash today as a nearby volcano erupts. More SO2 in the stratosphere will cause more cooling.

[Link: apnews.myway.com…]

109 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:40am

Saudis are really worried about Iran getting the bomb. Israel knows it’s not the only target of Iran.

110 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:46am

re: #100 raven1

edentulous

I didn’t even know that word existed. My word of the day!

111 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:58am

re: #99 albusteve

the Japanese were bloodthirsty animals as cruel as anyone has ever been in history

Oh I don’t know about that. The Nazis probably gave them a good run for their money.

112 lobo91  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:59am

re: #61 realwest

Hi Golem - I’ve heard that said before, but never understood why. Is it because Iran is Persian and the Magic Kingdom is Arab?

No, it’s because Shia Iran wants to take Sunni Saudi Arabia’s place as the seat of Islamic power.

113 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:08am

re: #42 Kenneth
Hi Kenneth: “Is everybody aware, Mohamed ElBaradei’s wife is the cousin of a leading mullah in the ruling Council of Guardians of the Iranian regime?”
Well they are if they read LGF regularly; not so much if they rely on the MSM for their news.

114 lostlakehiker  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:12am

Did he favor the one-state model for Czechoslovakia? For Yugoslavia? For the Soviet Union?

One state works when the people inside the boundaries of that state get along tolerably well. It doesn’t work when their first thought in the morning and their last thought at night is how villainous those other guys are and how good it would feel to burn them out.

That means civil war, followed by reconciliation (sometimes), by partition (often), by ethnic cleansing and partition (India/Pakistan), ethnic cleansing in which the winners just expel the losers, or genocide.

Since the Arab side of this hypothetical one state preaches genocide at every opportunity, the civil war that would kick off on day 1 of any one-state unification of the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel would be a must-not-lose proposition for the Jews. Is that kind of a war what El Baradei has in mind? Does he think that would serve the purpose of maintaining the nuclear peace? Does he think at all?

115 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:25am

re: #84 jwb7605

I’ve noticed there are a lot of Firesign Theatre fans on this forum.
That reminds me of one of my favorite skits on an album (George Tirebiter war stuff) where the Jap yells at the American:
Hey Joe, who wonna the seconda worlda wara, hey?

Okay, this is kind of a terrible story, but back in the early 70’s a chief petty officer and I were off the boat, taking in the sights in Honolulu.

A group of Japanese tourists, cameras and all, stopped us and one asked: “Scuse me, can you tell me where Arizona memorial is?”

The chief responded: “Right where you left it you bastards.”

116 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:44am

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

“Edentulous” deserves an upding, all by itself.

If I have to look a word up and it turns out to be funny, updings are required.

117 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:48am

re: #108 karmic_inquisitor

OT -Tokyo getting a thin layer of ash today as a nearby volcano erupts. More SO2 in the stratosphere will cause more cooling.

[Link: apnews.myway.com…]

Let’s keep track of the coverage of this eruption, and compare it to the coverage Alaska’s Mt. Redoubt gets when it erupts.

118 anat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:56am

What really gets me is that Israelis and supporters fall into this trap of “there are more Palestinians than Jews”.
There aren’t.
There are more people registered by UNRWA as Palestinians, but this is not the same thing is true Palestinians.
By its own admission, UNRWA registered anybody who wanted, no questions asked.
This is how between 1948 and 1950 they managed to double the number possible by the records of the British Mandate.
And from then onwards they also count descendants, uniquely among world refugees. If they are to be treated equally to others, these descendants are not Palestinian.

119 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:59:58am

How much do we pay to the UN?

I’d sure like to see a budget cut in the future.

120 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:04am

re: #108 karmic_inquisitor

OT -Tokyo getting a thin layer of ash today as a nearby volcano erupts. More SO2 in the stratosphere will cause more cooling.

[Link: apnews.myway.com…]

Nah - that’s just a Godzilla fart.

121 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:17am

Th U.N.:
No plan, no action, no morales, no accountability.

122 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:19am

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

Granted about “edentulous,” but it’s always more satisfying to think of Obama’s administration in terms like “cavity,” “rot,” and “decay.”

123 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:20am

re: #94 realwest

“Of course they will be condemned by the UN in the most severe terms while doing it.”
Oh no. You don’t mean the U.N. will send a strongly worded letter to Israel, do you?
/

Don’t go all crazy now! I doubt they even use caps.

124 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:22am

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

While speaking of semantic chicanery and dishonesty, Obama has just characterized the differences between Republicans and Democrats on the “stimulus” bill as, get this -

“very modest”

[Link: finance.yahoo.com…]

President Barack Obama said Monday that “very modest differences” over a massive package to revive the economy should not delay its swift passage, a fresh appeal to Congress as the nation dealt with another dose of dire financial news.

Our president is an asshole.

Here’s one change he may have to make to get GOP votes, removing the “buy American” provision.


link.

125 Miss Molly  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:31am

Iran must be laughing themselves sick waiting for Barry’s phone call.

126 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:36am
ElBaradei: ‘I’m Not Taking Sides’ on the Destruction of Israel

He will just sit on the sidelines waiting for when Iran glasses Israel so he can issue a sternly worded memo.

127 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:44am

re: #104 Racer X

And to think, there are actually a bunch of people who advocate a one world government ruled by the U.N.

I think it is inevitable at some point…call it what you will…the planet is shrinking and filling up with droolers…there will be no outpost for free men…it will be over some day

128 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:49am

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

The Future is fun! The Future is fair!
They already have won! We may already be there!

to paraphrase,
I think we’re all lizards in this blog…

129 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:51am

does anyone doubt that Israel will have to deal with iran’s nuke problem on its own? if olmert, et al have a shred of brains, they’ll be planning to do this before the election. and if they don’t, netanyahu will be forced to do it and Israel’s relations with the Obama administration will be damaged enormously. Either way, Israel is in a very tough spot.

130 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:00:54am

re: #113 realwest

Hi Kenneth: “Is everybody aware, Mohamed ElBaradei’s wife is the cousin of a leading mullah in the ruling Council of Guardians of the Iranian regime?”
Well they are if they read LGF regularly; not so much if they rely on the MSM for their news.

…………damn, I thought the Shah was still in charge.
SARC.

131 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:01:20am

re: #127 albusteve

No way

132 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #123 monkeytime

Don’t go all crazy now! I doubt they even use caps.

Oh no, they’ll use all caps! That’s just how the UN rolls!

133 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:01:43am

re: #109 Golem Akbar
Thanks Golem, but you know that article was dated September of 2007 - wonder if Saudi Arabia has since made any statements about Iran and Nukes?

134 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:01:54am

re: #109 Golem Akbar

Saudis are really worried about Iran getting the bomb. Israel knows it’s not the only target of Iran.


All your palace now belong to us.

135 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:01:56am

re: #109 Golem Akbar

Saudis are really worried about Iran getting the bomb. Israel knows it’s not the only target of Iran.

Too bad 0bama doesn’t realize the Great Satan he’s president of is also a target of Iran.

136 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:06am

Hey, El Baradei -here’s something to think about:

“I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

Genesis 12:3

137 lostlakehiker  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:08am

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

While speaking of semantic chicanery and dishonesty, Obama has just characterized the differences between Republicans and Democrats on the “stimulus” bill as, get this -

“very modest”

[Link: finance.yahoo.com…]

President Barack Obama said Monday that “very modest differences” over a massive package to revive the economy should not delay its swift passage, a fresh appeal to Congress as the nation dealt with another dose of dire financial news.

(snip)


If the differences are very modest, and swift passage is important, in his shoes I’d give the other side much of the modest modifications it asks, get a landslide positive vote for the measure in the Senate, and sign it into law promptly. After all, what they’ll sign off on is only a very modest distance from me getting it all my way. And I don’t aspire to having everything exactly my way all the time.

138 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:09am
139 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:12am

re: #105 LGoPs

I don’t disagree. I did say they were brutal and ruthless. My main point was that in launching the surprise attack that America described as the Day of Infamy, they chose a well defended miltary base, not defenseless civilian targets.

well yes…civilians do not make war, militaries do

140 zombie  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:18am

So, is the goal of the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency to promote the spread of nuclear weapons, or prevent it?

Because the way this ElBaradei guy talks, he seems to be entirely sympathetic with Iran’s stated goal. “Well, Iran is being reasonable, they have security concerns, blah blah blah…”.

WHAT THE F*CK?!?!?!?!?

ElBaradei, you just crossed the line. You obviously WANT Iran to get nukes, and you’re trying to facilitate it by stalling and hewing and hawing.

In Zombie’s Fantasy Land, this is what a sane and capable chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency would say:

“Iran is on the verge of building a nuclear weapon, in violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. This is the greatest threat to human life since the end of the Cold War, because Iran is likely to use it. They must be stopped at all costs. Iran: We give you 30 days to stand down, dismantle your entire nuclear infrastructure, and allow full, unfettered UN inspections, any time, any place. If you do not comply within 30 days, the UN will sanction a full and total embargo of Iran. If you do not comply fully within 60 days, the UN will certify that you have broken the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty, and begin arranging for a multinational force to invade and enforce compliance with the treaty. Is that clear?”

Note to this malevolent ogre: you just did take sides.

Spot on, Charles.

141 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:23am

U.N.
Un Necessary

142 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #115 subsailor68

Okay, this is kind of a terrible story, but back in the early 70’s a chief petty officer and I were off the boat, taking in the sights in Honolulu.

A group of Japanese tourists, cameras and all, stopped us and one asked: “Scuse me, can you tell me where Arizona memorial is?”

The chief responded: “Right where you left it you bastards.”

That is so evil Subsailor.
Remember there are only 2 types of ships.

Submarines and TARGETS

143 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:02:57am

re: #115 subsailor68

Okay, this is kind of a terrible story, but back in the early 70’s a chief petty officer and I were off the boat, taking in the sights in Honolulu.

A group of Japanese tourists, cameras and all, stopped us and one asked: “Scuse me, can you tell me where Arizona memorial is?”

The chief responded: “Right where you left it you bastards.”

Reminds me of my dad (RIP) and a few remaining WWII and Korea vets.
One of those stories that Clint Eastwood clearly explains in Gran Torino.
All those inclined to cry “racist” need to watch it.
I laughed my ass off.
I’m assuming the 68 refers to a time period in you nic.

144 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:03:02am

re: #141 Amer-I-Can

U.N.
Un Necessary

Useless Nations

145 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #111 HillJack

Oh I don’t know about that. The Nazis probably gave them a good run for their money.

close only counts in horseshoes

146 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:03:22am

re: #124 avanti

Here’s one change he may have to make to get GOP votes, removing the “buy American” provision.

link.

Not gonna work.

The Dems fail to get it…
IT’S THE PORK, STUPID!

147 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:07am

re: #142 smokefire

That is so evil Subsailor.
Remember there are only 2 types of ships.

Submarines and TARGETS

Yeah, I know. Only defense is the chief had served in the boats during WWII.

Heh, heh. Yep, and sometimes the TARGETS were other subs if ya know what I mean.

:-)

148 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:18am

Well y’all, gotta to eat lunch and what not, hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:20am

re: #137 lostlakehiker

If the differences are very modest, and swift passage is important, in his shoes I’d give the other side much of the modest modifications it asks, get a landslide positive vote for the measure in the Senate, and sign it into law promptly. After all, what they’ll sign off on is only a very modest distance from me getting it all my way. And I don’t aspire to having everything exactly my way all the time.

NO, NO, NO… I’ll report this from a pervious thread…

You know what’s going to happen. They’re not going to remove much from that bill, but they will PUT IN stuff the Republicans want, and when it’s all done, the bill will have 300-400 MORE billions in it.

And the Republicans will let that fly. You watch. Why, because the bottom line is special interests have both sides in their pocket, and the Republicans will simply be paying off their friends, and it will look the the Dems are doing it.

But, tons of Americans will say, well, it’s a better bill, it’s now bipartisan, it’s… it’s…

It’s an illusion, and you all are falling for the trick.

150 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:24am

re: #144 HillJack

Useless Nations

UN NATURAL

151 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:35am

re: #112 lobo91

No, it’s because Shia Iran wants to take Sunni Saudi Arabia’s place as the seat of Islamic power.


It’s not even a battle between Sunni and Shia, but more about just plain power. Iran funds Hamas’ smuggling activities, and Hamas is Sunni. It is all about the power. I doubt Iran really cares all that much about Israel, either. I’ve heard it speculated that it is just an issue of hegemony.

Kind of like China vs. the USSR. And hey, China won that one, remember?

152 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #119 Van Helsing

How much do we pay to the UN?

I’d sure like to see a budget cut in the future.

I seem to remember seeing something a few years ago where we provide 25% of the UN’s funding. This is the best linky I can find at the moment.

153 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:05:21am

re: #150 smokefire

UN NATURAL

Undeniably Nefarious

154 MJ  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:05:27am

Serious:
ElBaradei: ‘I’m Not Taking Sides’ on the Destruction of Israel

Deadly:
The NIE Iran Report: Iran Is Judged 10 Years From Nuclear Bomb.

www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

155 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:05:43am

re: #141 Amer-I-Can

U.N.
Un Necessary

I am starting to wish the US had done the same with the UN charter we did with the League of Nations charter.

156 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:06:09am

re: #143 jwb7605

Reminds me of my dad (RIP) and a few remaining WWII and Korea vets.
One of those stories that Clint Eastwood clearly explains in Gran Torino.
All those inclined to cry “racist” need to watch it.
I laughed my ass off.
I’m assuming the 68 refers to a time period in you nic.

Yeah, as I mentioned above, the chief had served in WWII and I don’t think race was his motivation as much as not having got past it.

Yes, I served from June of 1968 to December 1976. Decided to get out when Carter won the election.

157 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:06:14am

So how do those UN resolutions work out?

Lesse, 17 (IIRC) against Iraq… ignored for ten years…

Oh. Yeah. Then we went to war.

158 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:06:19am

re: #147 subsailor68

Yeah, I know. Only defense is the chief had served in the boats during WWII.

Heh, heh. Yep, and sometimes the TARGETS were other subs if ya know what I mean.

:-)

Pig boat sailor.
BTW no need to apologize, they started it, we finished it.

159 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:06:26am

Advance the Clock

Just five days ago, we noted the apparent inevitability of an Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Comparing that possibility to the famous “Doomsday Clock” (made famous by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists), we calculated that, if an Israeli attack is depicted in those terms, then the “strike clock” now reads two minutes until midnight.

And it may be time to advance the hands yet again. Benjamin Netanyahu, the man who will most likely be the next Prime Minister of Israel, has reiterated his determination to halt Tehran’s nuclear ambitions. In a TV interview just weeks before the Israeli election, Mr. Netanyahu stated flatly that “Iran will not be armed with a nuclear weapon.”

As their stockpile of enriched uranium continues to grow, the Iranians will be able to create a small nuclear arsenal, even if Israel strikes key nuclear sites. Timing for the attack is also being influenced by Tehran’s pending acquisition of the S-300 air defense system. When the S-300 achieves operational capability—probably later this year—Israeli operational planning will become much more complicated.

The third factor is the recent change in the White House, and Israeli perceptions that Barack Obama will be more conciliatory toward Iran. So far, the new president has done little to dissuade that notion.

We’d say President Obama’s “comprehensive solution” will soon be overcome by events. The strike clock now reads 90 seconds to midnight—and ticking.

Obama’s overtures to Iran to “unclench your fist” may be making an Israeli preemptive strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities more likely, not less.

160 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:06:57am

re: #133 realwest

Thanks Golem, but you know that article was dated September of 2007 - wonder if Saudi Arabia has since made any statements about Iran and Nukes?


Yes, good question. None that I know of, but maybe the Lizards know more about it. All I know is that there is a very intense rivalry and intense jealousy going on, and Iran is desperate to make its mark.

161 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:07:26am

re: #144 HillJack

Useless Nations

Ummah of Nations
Ummah of Nazis

162 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:07:56am

re: #152 Fat Jolly Penguin

I seem to remember seeing something a few years ago where we provide 25% of the UN’s funding. This is the best linky I can find at the moment.

Here’s another one, but the linky in it seems to have died.

163 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:08:10am

re: #158 smokefire

Pig boat sailor.
BTW no need to apologize, they started it, we finished it.

God bless you! I rode one - once - and couldn’t wait to get to the nuke attack boats.

I know - what a wussie.

:-)

164 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:08:41am

There is some more recent news about Iran vs. the Arabs.

165 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:08:47am

re: #124 avanti

Here’s one change he may have to make to get GOP votes, removing the “buy American” provision.

link.

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Not gonna work.

The Dems fail to get it…
IT’S THE PORK, STUPID!

I can’t think of anything I could make that wouldn’t require purchasing parts made in some other country.
And the only foreign thing absolutely has to be purchased that really pisses me off is oil.

NOBODY gets it.

166 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:08:57am

re: #124 avanti

That would help. It would also help with Asian, European and Canadian trade partners. Obama scared the crap out of a lot of people who will be financing his Pork Package when he talked about renegotiating NAFTA. Unions are still very much set on protectionism and there will be a fight in Washington.

167 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:08:59am

re: #159 Kenneth

Advance the Clock

Obama’s overtures to Iran to “unclench your fist” may be making an Israeli preemptive strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities more likely, not less.

Obama is doing his very best to make Carter lose those Most Ineffectual and Worst President awards as quick as he can.

168 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #159 Kenneth

Precisely. Doesn’t Obama and his clowns realize that the bad guys are looking at him like he’s kneeling on the ground before them like a penitent? They must be pissing themselves with laughter.

169 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:10:16am

re: #158 smokefire

Oh, something you might find pretty cool though. The chief steward (Captain’s steward) on our boat was a guy named Chief Brown. He’d also served in WWII on the boats.

He was Howard Gilmore’s steward on Growler.

170 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:10:23am

re: #156 subsailor68

Yeah, as I mentioned above, the chief had served in WWII and I don’t think race was his motivation as much as not having got past it.

Yes, I served from June of 1968 to December 1976. Decided to get out when Carter won the election.

Feb ‘68, but you outlasted me 4 years. Probably went to nuculer school for a minimum 6 years, right?

171 Mad Mullah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:10:45am

I wouldn’t be surprised if that ElBaradei maggot was actually aiding and helping the Iranians and others with their nuclear program, supplying them with info and perhaps even material and supplies, all while making smokescreens for the western media and defending terrorists every step of the way. The International Atomic Energy Agency seems to be an agency set up to help rogue states and terrorists with acquiring nukes, that seems to be their mission statement.

Hopefully in the future, the US will finally withdraw from the UN, kick that sleazy, good for nothing organization to the curb and off of US soil. The UN is pure garbage, an evil, bloated, terrorist supporting organization comprised of way too many fascist, dictatorial and terrorist members.

172 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:11:13am

re: #143 jwb7605

Reminds me of my dad (RIP) and a few remaining WWII and Korea vets.
One of those stories that Clint Eastwood clearly explains in Gran Torino.
All those inclined to cry “racist” need to watch it.
I laughed my ass off.
I’m assuming the 68 refers to a time period in you nic.

The one I liked most was the pilot taxing to his gate in Berlin…
“Don’t you know the where the gates are? Haven’t you been to Berlin before?

Yes, I have. But it was 1945. We didn’t land.

173 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:11:15am

re: #168 godfrey

Precisely. Doesn’t Obama and his clowns realize that the bad guys are looking at him like he’s kneeling on the ground before them like a penitent? They must be pissing themselves with laughter.

They are surely relieved that Bush is gone, that’s for sure. The ululators are getting ready for Obama’s next sign of obeisance.

174 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:11:46am

re: #170 jwb7605

Feb ‘68, but you outlasted me 4 years. Probably went to nuculer school for a minimum 6 years, right?

No, I just had a captain that was a terrific salesman. I was actually a sonar tech, so worked forward of the tea kettle.

175 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:11:56am

re: #168 godfrey

Precisely. Doesn’t Obama and his clowns realize that the bad guys are looking at him like he’s kneeling on the ground before them like a penitent? They must be pissing themselves with laughter.

The timing of the kidnapping in Pakistan fits - the Jihad was fairly reticent to do kidnappings as they did throughout the 80s with Bush in office. More kidnappings will occur and Obama will try to negotiate releases as Reagan tried. He will get no where except to prostrate himself before the “clenched fists.”

176 martinleaf  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:12:42am

I would think Israel can use their Arrow missiles to attack Iran’s nuclear installations if the US won’t permit an air corridor. Israel does not need to wipe out the nuclear facilities on the first strike.

“No Country For Old Men” - The greatest study of Islamic Terror

177 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:13:04am

re: #137 lostlakehiker

If the differences are very modest, and swift passage is important, in his shoes I’d give the other side much of the modest modifications it asks, get a landslide positive vote for the measure in the Senate, and sign it into law promptly. After all, what they’ll sign off on is only a very modest distance from me getting it all my way. And I don’t aspire to having everything exactly my way all the time.

I’m watching the White House press briefting and they are claiming it’s only a 7/100’s of one percent of the money in the bill that’s getting all the negative comments. The Dems should pull the 50 million for the arts, the money for STD and the like and put more in infrastructure and direct job creation and get that crap off the table. There are bigger issues the GOP will have to address to get a bill they’ll support then those.
BTW, they are finally taking tough questions from Fox at every conference.

178 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #163 subsailor68

Never rode them, but worked on them, so to speak.
First job after service was Rescue Squad at Electric Boat in Groton. Can say I was underneath a Trident, and 688 Class boats.

179 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:13:52am

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am starting to wish the US had done the same with the UN charter we did with the League of Nations charter.

I agree. Unfortunately, we don’t have anyone now with the “stones” to throw the bums out. I can only dream that one day we will have a President with the right intestinal fortitude to do the right thing as far as the UN is concerned.

Useless Nincompoops

180 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #173 Golem Akbar

They are surely relieved that Bush is gone, that’s for sure. The ululators are getting ready for Obama’s next sign of obeisance.

The problem with too many progessives is that since they would never ‘be evil’ no one else would either.
That is the worldview they seem to negotiate from.

They are wrong.

181 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:14:40am

re: #178 smokefire

Never rode them, but worked on them, so to speak.
First job after service was Rescue Squad at Electric Boat in Groton. Can say I was underneath a Trident, and 688 Class boats.

Good grief! It was impressive enough to me to be under our 637 class in dry dock. It must have been awesome to be under a Trident. I’m jealous.

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #177 avanti

Yeah, they claim what the percentage. What a crock of shit.

Fox asks tough questions and the rest of the media is in full swoon and worship mode.

183 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:15:59am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

NO, NO, NO… I’ll report this from a pervious thread…

You know what’s going to happen. They’re not going to remove much from that bill, but they will PUT IN stuff the Republicans want, and when it’s all done, the bill will have 300-400 MORE billions in it.

And the Republicans will let that fly. You watch. Why, because the bottom line is special interests have both sides in their pocket, and the Republicans will simply be paying off their friends, and it will look the the Dems are doing it.

But, tons of Americans will say, well, it’s a better bill, it’s now bipartisan, it’s… it’s…

It’s an illusion, and you all are falling for the trick.

Walter, we are in rare agreement. The horse trading of billions will go down this week.

184 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:16:15am

re: #175 karmic_inquisitor

Oh, I don’t know. I’d bet that Obama will do more than prostrate himself: he’ll give concessions. Remember Kerry? “Let’s send heavy water to Iran!”

I remember Khameini’s boasting that it wouldn’t matter if Teheran was vaporized in retaliation for nuking Israel: “there are more Muslims than Jews!” He figured the catastrophic would be proportionally less on the Muslims side. These are the human-like creatures we’re dealing with.

Cf. Wretchard’s scenarios.

185 rexatosis  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:16:40am

To the UN and too many in the West the issue of Iran’s nuclear program will not be a problem until they see a mushroom cloud over Israel (and far too many will still not see a problem). Iran has been very clear as to its intentions, as clear as Hitler was when he wrote “Mein Kampf.”

186 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:16:52am

re: #176 martinleaf

Israel’s Arrow missile is part of a missile defense system, designed to knock-out incoming ballistic missiles. They are not intended to to be used for attack.

187 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:16:54am

re: #177 avanti

I’m watching the White House press briefting and they are claiming it’s only a 7/100’s of one percent of the money in the bill that’s getting all the negative comments. The Dems should pull the 50 million for the arts, the money for STD and the like and put more in infrastructure and direct job creation and get that crap off the table. There are bigger issues the GOP will have to address to get a bill they’ll support then those.
BTW, they are finally taking tough questions from Fox at every conference.

Job creation will come from allowing people to keep their money, and invest and expand their businesses.

Gov’t cannot create jobs, except those jobs that directly serve the government.

188 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:16:58am

re: #181 subsailor68

………was not just a job, but an adventure. Tridents, and 12,000 workers in the Yard. Made for some interesting times.
Oh the stories.

189 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:17:32am
190 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:17:49am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

We are being played for saps by grifters, and we are going to thank them for conning us when all is said and done.

191 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:17:54am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

NO, NO, NO… I’ll report this from a pervious thread…

You know what’s going to happen. They’re not going to remove much from that bill, but they will PUT IN stuff the Republicans want, and when it’s all done, the bill will have 300-400 MORE billions in it.

And the Republicans will let that fly. You watch. Why, because the bottom line is special interests have both sides in their pocket, and the Republicans will simply be paying off their friends, and it will look the the Dems are doing it.

But, tons of Americans will say, well, it’s a better bill, it’s now bipartisan, it’s… it’s…

It’s an illusion, and you all are falling for the trick.

Both parties are buying power.

Neither party, it seems, is concerned with us right now.

192 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:18:05am

re: #188 smokefire

………was not just a job, but an adventure. Tridents, and 12,000 workers in the Yard. Made for some interesting times.
Oh the stories.

Hey, one of my favorite movie lines:

“You’re never truly done for, as long as you have a good story and someone to tell it to.”

(Legend of 1900)

193 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:18:13am

re: #189 ploome hineni

can someone tell us one good thing the UN does?

Making the world safe for sex slavery!

/oh wait

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:18:39am

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Job creation will come from allowing people to keep their money, and invest and expand their businesses.

Gov’t cannot create jobs, except those jobs that directly serve the government.

And right now the only growing job sector IS government.

195 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:02am

re: #190 FurryOldGuyJeans

We are being played for saps by grifters, and we are going to thank them for conning us when all is said and done.

not me…I con them…
I hate the feds

196 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:09am

re: #189 ploome hineni

The UN is useful as a forum for all the countries of the world to meet and talk. Everything else it does is counterproductive at best.

197 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:10am

re: #176 martinleaf

The Arrow is an Anti Ballistic Missile system; it is used to destroy missiles after launch. It cannot be used for ground attack.

198 MJ  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:44am

UN Antisemitism Watch:

U.N. launches website to spin Durban II, asks for more funds

[Link: www.unwatch.org…]

199 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:47am

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

And right now the only growing job sector IS government.

And that doesn’t include the Military this time.

200 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:50am

re: #191 reine.de.tout

Both parties are buying power.

Neither party, it seems, is concerned with us right now.

Come election time they will mouth pleasant inanities to con us into believing they care.

201 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:19:56am

re: #180 Van Helsing

The problem with too many progessives is that since they would never ‘be evil’ no one else would either.
That is the worldview they seem to negotiate from.

They are wrong.

I know a person, voted for Obama …
she is absolutely convinced people are born good, and that everyone is born with the potential to excel at the highest levels.

Neither is true.

202 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:04am

re: #192 subsailor68

Hey, one of my favorite movie lines:

“You’re never truly done for, as long as you have a good story and someone to tell it to.”

(Legend of 1900)

………….famous line from us at the Electric Boat FD.

you never die in the yard, no matter how dead you might be, you never die in the yard

203 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:09am
204 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:12am

re: #196 Kenneth

The UN is useful as a forum for all the countries of the world to meet and talk. Everything else it does is counterproductive at best.

with that logic more gets done at a Tupperware party

205 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:19am

re: #185 rexatosis

To the UN and too many in the West the issue of Iran’s nuclear program will not be a problem until they see a mushroom cloud over Israel (and far too many will still not see a problem). Iran has been very clear as to its intentions, as clear as Hitler was when he wrote “Mein Kampf.”

They don’t realize that Iran will also attack Saudi Arabia, the US, and other countries, unless we bow down to them, and convert or accept dhimmitude.

It is probably easier for Iran to attack the US from a ship than to attack Israel.

206 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:20am

re: #196 Kenneth

The UN is useful as a forum for all the countries of the world to meet and talk. Everything else it does is counterproductive at best.

Of course, that is only true if they are meeting to bash the US, otherwise the talk is pretty useless too.

/sarc

207 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:25am

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Gov’t cannot create jobs, except those jobs that directly serve the government.

And government jobs are just another expense supported by those whose jobs produce actual revenue.

208 horse  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:50am

re: #47 LGoPs

At it’s miltaristic worst, Japan attacked American miltary targets, not civilians, not children. Harsh, brutal and ruthless yes…..but honorable in it’s choice of targets nonetheless (I am excluding the China incident of course). The same cannot be said for Iran.

The imperial Japanese military did horrible things to western civilians (including Americans) in Singapore, Hong Kong, the Philippines etc… Where ever they went, they committed atrocities against non-combatants.

They relocated and imprisoned American Alaskan civilians during their invasion of the Aleutian isles, and kept them in horrid conditions leading to a quarter of them dieing while imprisoned.

They were seldom if ever honorable in their choice of targets. They targeted hospitals, and would torture and execute the defenseless patients and entire medical staff when they overran them. They targeted and did whatever was necessary for them to be victorious. Many of their actions were terrorist in nature.

As others have commented, it was the utter defeat and destruction of their militaristic belief and political systems that enabled the path to a peaceful modern Japan. Similarly, Iran will never progress or be peaceful until its militant belief and political systems are utterly destroyed. That is what is occurring in Iraq, but it is still not complete.

209 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:53am
210 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:20:55am

re: #202 smokefire

………….famous line from us at the Electric Boat FD.

you never die in the yard, no matter how dead you might be, you never die in the yard

Hadn’t heard that one, but I love it!

211 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

And right now the only growing job sector IS government.

I probably should have said that government employment does not create wealth, it sucks it up.

It’s private employment where wealth is created.

212 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:21:07am

re: #196 Kenneth

The UN is also very helpful to thug nations having better, more equitable access to NYC hookers, diplomatic immunity from parking tickets and also, uniforms that can be worn to molest and rape children in developing nations and war-torn countries with impunity.

213 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #190 FurryOldGuyJeans

We are being played for saps by grifters, and we are going to thank them for conning us when all is said and done.

Grifters, looters…

We are well and truly screwed by our beloved elected class. They will ‘help’ us all into the poverty of the lowest common denominator.

Because that is FAIR.

214 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:21:27am

re: #191 reine.de.tout

Both parties are buying power.

Neither party, it seems, is concerned with us right now.

The two-party money cult.

215 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:21:40am

re: #183 avanti

It looks like the Republicans have sold their souls for pork. The “dark side” lures the weak of character. The Congress now is nothing but a collection of nest featherers and charlatans. When the Republicans had both houses, Presidency and a majority in the SCOTUS, what did they do? They bellied up to the trough just like the Dems before them. PATHETIC

216 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:21:52am

re: #177 avanti

I’m watching the White House press briefting and they are claiming it’s only a 7/100’s of one percent of the money in the bill that’s getting all the negative comments. The Dems should pull the 50 million for the arts, the money for STD and the like and put more in infrastructure and direct job creation and get that crap off the table. There are bigger issues the GOP will have to address to get a bill they’ll support then those.
BTW, they are finally taking tough questions from Fox at every conference.

If an item in the bill doesn’t simulate public sector jobs, it should be put on the back burner. Otherwise, this bill becomes nothing more than a job fair for the federal government.

I’m not saying there isn’t some federal items that don’t need addressing, but most of this is pork.

Like I said before, the problem is most of the pork will benefit republicans and democrats. So, it won’t get smaller, wanna bet?

217 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:22:03am

re: #193 godfrey

GMTA

218 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #210 subsailor68

……………been there, saw it happen at least half a dozen times.

219 MartinLeaf  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #171 Mad Mullah

Actually I believe the Non Prolif Treaty “package”, included technical nuclear assistance as long as the receipient’s program was transparent and not for weapons.

And just like Lawyers never lie, we can trust these Nations to keep their words, right ?

220 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:22:27am

re: #209 ploome hineni

You see, it is the united nations!

Except for the USA, damn them to hell, O Allah, and make them suffer a painful chastisement!

221 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #196 Kenneth

The UN is useful as a forum for all the countries of the world to meet and talk. Everything else it does is counterproductive at best.

From one of my favorite TV shows, Babylon 5:
“It was our last, best hope for peace. It failed”

222 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:22:58am

re: #191 reine.de.tout

Being concerned with We The People would require Statesmen.

We have none in that rat-f*** of congress.

223 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:23:04am

re: #211 reine.de.tout

I probably should have said that government employment does not create wealth, it sucks it up.

It’s private employment where wealth is created.

For every dollar used by government to create a new job is effectively 3 lost from the GDP since there is no product created or service being performed.

224 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:23:21am

ot: Listening to Limbaugh show - Jason Lewis mentioned that the morning news shows did not mention Daschle’s tax problems at all. Our unprofessional state run media hard at work protecting their corrupt guys. If Dashole were a Republican it would be 24/7 news cycle.

225 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:23:26am

Isn’t an Arab who wouldn’t care if Israel is destroyed what they, eh… call a “moderate”?

226 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:23:48am

re: #41 realwest

{realwest}

Wish I had more updings.

227 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:08am

re: #224 FrogMarch

ot: Listening to Limbaugh show - Jason Lewis mentioned that the morning news shows did not mention Daschle’s tax problems at all. Our unprofessional state run media hard at work protecting their corrupt guys. If Dashole were a Republican it would be 24/7 news cycle.

An international 24/7 news item.

228 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:30am

Deja vu headlines: N Y Times

New Gaza Exchanges Strain Truce

229 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:35am

re: #215 Desert Dog

Look, you think this is bad? Wait twenty years, when we’ll have still larger forms of government. The amount of waste will be a mere statistic.

“Progressive” enough for ya?

230 rumcrook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:36am

I have decided “not to take sides” on the issue of the UN’s right to exist, in the same meaning as this tool has decided “not to take sides” on the issue of Israels right to exist.

231 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #225 Opinionated

Actually, to me that is the ultimate litmus test of Muslim “moderates”: So, how to you feel about Israel?

LOL. Watch moderate melt down.

232 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:07am

re: #218 smokefire

……………been there, saw it happen at least half a dozen times.

My company commander in boot camp was a grizzled old Boatswain’s Mate. Someone asked him what his proudest achievement was and he said “nobody in my division ever got killed while I was running it.” At the time, we all thought “wow, if that’s his greatest accomplishment…sheesh!”

……….then we got to the Fleet.

233 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:15am

re: #215 Desert Dog

It looks like the Republicans have sold their souls for pork. The “dark side” lures the weak of character. The Congress now is nothing but a collection of nest featherers and charlatans. When the Republicans had both houses, Presidency and a majority in the SCOTUS, what did they do? They bellied up to the trough just like the Dems before them. PATHETIC

When the Republicans were in their brief majority they learned the Dem lessons all too well of how to screw the electorate with pork.

234 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:34am

re: #229 godfrey

Look, you think this is bad? Wait twenty years, when we’ll have still larger forms of government. The amount of waste will be a mere statistic.

“Progressive” enough for ya?

In twenty years, if this keeps up, we won’t recognize our form of government. At least we won’t recognize it as a democratic republic.

235 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:37am

re: #226 WriterMom

{realwest}

Wish I had more updings.

……..now that is the kind of comment that would be seen on the old YAHOO message board.

236 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:46am

re: #177 avanti

I’m watching the White House press briefting and they are claiming it’s only a 7/100’s of one percent of the money in the bill that’s getting all the negative comments. The Dems should pull the 50 million for the arts, the money for STD and the like and put more in infrastructure and direct job creation and get that crap off the table. There are bigger issues the GOP will have to address to get a bill they’ll support then those.
BTW, they are finally taking tough questions from Fox at every conference.

Here is the issue.

“Tax cuts” are considered ideological by Obama.

They aren’t. Here is why.

Democrats are of the opinion that a dollar is a dollar, be it from tax cuts or spending. For the sake of argument, let’s accept that. The Dems then say that such a dollar can stimulate the economy from the “bottom” just as much as from the “top”. Again, for the sake of argument let’s accept that (which I don’t, but that is another post).

The difference is borrowing. When you spend the dollar you don’t have you borrow it (or print it, which -by definition - just makes everyone poorer). When you borrow it, you take a scarce resource - credit - and make it MORE SCARCE. A tax cut, on the other hand, does not directly compete for credit. The funding comes from those who are most productive in the economy. Those businesses, for example, that are money losers don’t see a tax cut - they pay no tax. Those that do make money do see a cut. You want to stimulate those who are succeeding in the economy because they are the most likely to create long term, sustainable jobs. And they end up financing the stimulus, which makes more credit available - not less.

That is what is fundamentally at issue.

That is math - not ideology.

237 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:57am

re: #222 Van Helsing

Being concerned with We The People would require Statesmen.

We have none in that rat-f*** of congress.

No, we don’t.

Here’s an idea.

Congress should convene and be in session only once every 3 years.

They would then have to pay attention to those matters that are most important.

Instead, they seem to always be there in DC, so bored they must think up things to do, and we suffer.

238 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:26:22am
239 Nightwatch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:26:23am

A LARGE CRATER….


“ARE you looking at ME?”……”ARE YOU LOOKIN AT MEEEE?!”

Buy a box of ammo a week….or maybe ….two….maybe….three….
POL’s are

240 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:26:35am

re: #224 FrogMarch

ot: Listening to Limbaugh show - Jason Lewis mentioned that the morning news shows did not mention Daschle’s tax problems at all. Our unprofessional state run media hard at work protecting their corrupt guys. If Dashole were a Republican it would be 24/7 news cycle.

D is a good FMSM shield.

241 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:26:41am

re: #225 Opinionated

Isn’t an Arab who wouldn’t care if Israel is destroyed what they, eh… call a “moderate”?

Not quite
Muslim who wants Israel destroyed by war: Radical
One who wants Israel destroyed by the “right of return”: Moderate
Muslim who doesn’t care if Israel is destroyed or not: Needs to go back to the madrassa
Muslim who thinks Israel should continue to exits: Heretic

242 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:26:46am

re: #236 karmic_inquisitor

Obama was told there would be no math.

243 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #231 WriterMom

The difference between a Jihadist and a moderate is just how horny they are.

Do they want the 72 virgins now …or can they wait.

244 kynna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:16am

He’s so impartial. Like the rest of the UN. They just want the world to live in peace.

////!////

245 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:39am

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

They’re trying to solve that by having the government buy the private sector.

Damn, sure seems like it, doesn’t it?

And then the private sector will run just as efficiently as government does, and we will all be saved.
/

246 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:40am
247 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

An international 24/7 news item.

yep.

248 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:55am

re: #234 Walter L. Newton

In twenty years, if this keeps up, we won’t recognize our form of government. At least we won’t recognize it as a democratic republic.

Except the name will be something like “The People’s Democratic Republic of…”

249 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:28:07am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

For every dollar used by government to create a new job is effectively 3 lost from the GDP since there is no product created or service being performed.

It does not take a large amount of intellect to see that. Why do liberal and leftist economists and policy planners insist on creating new government jobs then?

So they can make more and more people dependent on the government and consolidate their power…

I am an optimist by nature, but I am growing increasingly cynical and pessimistic the more I see of our new “Great Leader”. I can hardly wait for the new 5 Year Plan from the Central Committee once this largest spending bill in history fails to revive the economy. We are screwed…ugh

250 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:28:23am

re: #237 reine.de.tout

No, we don’t.

Here’s an idea.

Congress should convene and be in session only once every 3 years.

They would then have to pay attention to those matters that are most important.

Instead, they seem to always be there in DC, so bored they must think up things to do, and we suffer.

Actually not a bad idea overall. Here in Texas our “lege” only meets every other year, and they can do enough damage during that time. But it’d sure be worse if they sat every year, all year.

251 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:28:43am

re: #228 Opinionated

Deja vu headlines: N Y Times

New Gaza Exchanges Strain Truce

TRUCE? what truce, this is just a timeout until the fighting starts again, and then the residents of Gaza will again proclaim Glorious victory over Israel.

So much BULLSHIT, so little time

252 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:29:08am

re: #248 Kosh’s Shadow

Except the name will be something like “The People’s Democratic Republic of…”

The Progressive States of America.

/change

253 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:29:39am

re: #249 Desert Dog

It does not take a large amount of intellect to see that. Why do liberal and leftist economists and policy planners insist on creating new government jobs then?

So they can make more and more people dependent on the government and consolidate their power…

I am an optimist by nature, but I am growing increasingly cynical and pessimistic the more I see of our new “Great Leader”. I can hardly wait for the new 5 Year Plan from the Central Committee once this largest spending bill in history fails to revive the economy. We are screwed…ugh

The only thing that matters to a politician is getting elected/reelected. Anything else is secondary.

254 MartinLeaf  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:29:59am

re: #186 Kenneth

Thanks and sorry, I meant the Jericho 3. I actually met and chatted with the designer of the Arrow. His last name is Herzog. He gave me what I consider to be the coolest business card, from Redstone Alabama I think. It has a logo of a missle intercepting another missle. It was a joint US Israel project.

255 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #234 Walter L. Newton

I agree. We are fast moving toward plutocracy on a much larger scale than ever before. Both sides are throwing elbows to see who can get there fastest. I’d say we need a Reagan, but we now have a whole house full of Tip O’Neill’s.

256 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:11am

re: #241 Kosh’s Shadow

Not quite
Muslim who wants Israel destroyed by war: Radical
One who wants Israel destroyed by the “right of return”: Moderate
Muslim who doesn’t care if Israel is destroyed or not: Needs to go back to the madrassa
Muslim who thinks Israel should continue to exits: Heretic

Behead that last Muslim …

257 darkster2400  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:13am

the Useless Nations strikes again

258 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:35am

re: #252 Racer X

The Progressive States of America.

/change

But will save on our auto insurance. Just ask that woman in the ads.

259 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:37am

Muslim who thinks Israel should continue to exits: Heretic…………..more likely dead.

260 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:50am

re: #250 subsailor68

Actually not a bad idea overall. Here in Texas our “lege” only meets every other year, and they can do enough damage during that time. But it’d sure be worse if they sat every year, all year.

In La., every other year is a “fiscal” session only, to review and approve the budget and deal with fiscal matters. However, the gov. can call a “special session” for anything he wants, and so the government can effectively get around the “fiscal only” years.

261 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:00am

re: #249 Desert Dog

It does not take a large amount of intellect to see that. Why do liberal and leftist economists and policy planners insist on creating new government jobs then?

So they can make more and more people dependent on the government and consolidate their power…

I am an optimist by nature, but I am growing increasingly cynical and pessimistic the more I see of our new “Great Leader”. I can hardly wait for the new 5 Year Plan from the Central Committee once this largest spending bill in history fails to revive the economy. We are screwed…ugh

This bill will doom Obama to failure. I am torn on this issue - do I vocally oppose it so that The One™ is successful? Or do I let him fail. The stakes are too high for failure.

262 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:17am
263 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #251 smokefire

My people-so fucking stupid, letting Hamas rearm again, trying to make it sound like a truce? All I can say is BIBI BIBI BIBI.

And I hope Lieberman (DA!) gets a lot of seats and that Kadima sinks.

264 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:26am

re: #208 horse

The imperial Japanese military did horrible things to western civilians (including Americans) in Singapore, Hong Kong, the Philippines etc… Where ever they went, they committed atrocities against non-combatants.

.

Very true, and also baffling to anyone that has spent time in Japan as I have. The people are embarrassingly polite, high dollar electronics items are safely displayed outside stores, mostly safe streets and the rest, just a 180 degrees out from how they waged WW II.
I’d like to believe we shaped the new Japan with our occupation and by helping write their constitution. Maybe it’s just the nature of a war waged for a “divine” emperor that made them brutes, but there is no real excuse.

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:29am

re: #248 Kosh’s Shadow

Except the name will be something like “The People’s Democratic Republic of…”

Except the name will be something like “The People’s Democratic Socialist Union of America.”

Hell, that was easy to finish.

266 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:45am

re: #254 MartinLeaf

Thanks and sorry, I meant the Jericho 3. I actually met and chatted with the designer of the Arrow. His last name is Herzog. He gave me what I consider to be the coolest business card, from Redstone Alabama I think. It has a logo of a missle intercepting another missle. It was a joint US Israel project.

Welllllllllllll, with the ONE in power, you can bet that project will be cut, ASAP.

267 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:50am

re: #256 yma o hyd

Behead that last Muslim …

right…they only exist in theory…
thats been said about ‘moderate muslims as well’

268 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:32:29am

re: #212 WriterMom

All that comes under the heading “everything else they do”… if the UN activities were limited to proving a hall, tables & chairs and washroom facilities so a few serious diplomats could meet & talk, then it couldn’t get up to much mischief.

But along with the huge bureaucracy and bloated budgets comes corruption as a natural consequence. So what if the Arabs want to complain about the Jews shrinking their penises? That happens everyday in any given coffee house in the Arab world. The UN should not even have a Human Rights Council, let alone be sponsoring conferences.

269 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:32:38am

re: #236 karmic_inquisitor

You want to stimulate those who are succeeding in the economy because they are the most likely to create long term, sustainable jobs.

Capitalist pig!

270 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:32:52am

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

The lack of air conditioning used to minimize Congress’ capacity for damage.

No joke. Up until the late ’40s, or thereabouts, air conditioning was not general in Washington buildings, and the summer was so hot that Congress, and much of the bureaucracy, would go into recess until cooler weather. The year-round government in Washington is one of those unintended consequences of technological advancement.

Air conditioning. LOL!

“G.E., we bring b.s. to life.”

271 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:32:57am

re: #255 godfrey

I agree. We are fast moving toward plutocracy on a much larger scale than ever before. Both sides are throwing elbows to see who can get there fastest. I’d say we need a Reagan, but we now have a whole house full of Tip O’Neill’s.

I suggest everyone read up on that word, and pay very close attention to the meaning.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

272 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:33:21am

re: #264 avanti

Very true, and also baffling to anyone that has spent time in Japan as I have. The people are embarrassingly polite, high dollar electronics items are safely displayed outside stores, mostly safe streets and the rest, just a 180 degrees out from how they waged WW II.
I’d like to believe we shaped the new Japan with our occupation and by helping write their constitution. Maybe it’s just the nature of a war waged for a “divine” emperor that made them brutes, but there is no real excuse.


They’re polite to each other, but to non-japanese they are not so nice - at least that was my take on it.

273 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:33:33am

Read this story by Michael Yon:
How Can the World Be Blind to Israel’s Existential Threats?

(Hat Tip: Israellycool)

274 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #254 MartinLeaf

Way cool!

275 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:04am

re: #237 reine.de.tout

No, we don’t.

Here’s an idea.

Congress should convene and be in session only once every 3 years.

They would then have to pay attention to those matters that are most important.

Instead, they seem to always be there in DC, so bored they must think up things to do, and we suffer.

I have a proposed protest:
However many people it takes to surround the Capitol with each person occupying 1 sq meter.

5 ranks deep

Each carrying a shield of thin flimsy cardboard (don’t want to frighten anyone) modeled on the Roman scutum.

With the entire text of the Bill of Rights (amendments 1-10) laminated on it.

Stand for 3 days. Peacefully. Quietly, No messes. Certainly no giant puppets.

If there is any chant, let it be ‘You work for us’.

276 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:08am

re: #268 Kenneth

So what if the Arabs want to complain about the Jews shrinking their penises? That happens everyday in any given coffee house in the Arab world.

Bwahahahaha. Kenneth, I just loves ya.

277 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:29am
278 3 wood  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:36am

Well in other news the NYT continues to swirl toward the drain.

At the moment, their stock share price is down to $4.80 which is a new 52 week low. This is down almost 80% from it’s 52 week high of $21 and change.

279 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:46am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

I suggest everyone read up on that word, and pay very close attention to the meaning.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Gotta love a group of employees that can vote for when they get a pay raise and how much, no matter what the employers think.

280 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #263 WriterMom

My people-so fucking stupid, letting Hamas rearm again, trying to make it sound like a truce? All I can say is BIBI BIBI BIBI.

And I hope Lieberman (DA!) gets a lot of seats and that Kadima sinks.

…………MOM, had me a bit meshuga, with that. Wrong Lieberman, thought you were talking about CT Senator. JINO.

Jew in name only.

281 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #278 3 wood

Well in other news the NYT continues to swirl toward the drain.

At the moment, their stock share price is down to $4.80 which is a new 52 week low. This is down almost 80% from it’s 52 week high of $21 and change.

I’ll cheer with it hits $0.48.

282 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:52am

re: #216 Walter L. Newton

If an item in the bill doesn’t simulate public sector jobs, it should be put on the back burner. Otherwise, this bill becomes nothing more than a job fair for the federal government.

I’m not saying there isn’t some federal items that don’t need addressing, but most of this is pork.

Like I said before, the problem is most of the pork will benefit republicans and democrats. So, it won’t get smaller, wanna bet?

I’d love to disagree, but you may have nailed it. The best we may get is the bulk of the money will go to job creation in public infrastructure and tax cuts. Expecting a “clean” bill without some goodies for both sides may be optimistic.

283 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:55am

re: #254 MartinLeaf

Kewl. You know Herzog is a very important name…Ireland’s Chief Rabbi was Herzog, and his son became president of Israel-and his son Booji Herzog is a Labour MK in Israel.

284 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:56am

the feds would shit if threatened with a massive movement to deny their funding…

285 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #275 Van Helsing

I have a proposed protest:
However many people it takes to surround the Capitol with each person occupying 1 sq meter.

5 ranks deep

Each carrying a shield of thin flimsy cardboard (don’t want to frighten anyone) modeled on the Roman scutum.

With the entire text of the Bill of Rights (amendments 1-10) laminated on it.

Stand for 3 days. Peacefully. Quietly, No messes. Certainly no giant puppets.

If there is any chant, let it be ‘You work for us’.

I’d make that trip.

286 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:25am

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

The lack of air conditioning used to minimize Congress’ capacity for damage.

No joke. Up until the late ’40s, or thereabouts, air conditioning was not general in Washington buildings, and the summer was so hot that Congress, and much of the bureaucracy, would go into recess until cooler weather. The year-round government in Washington is one of those unintended consequences of technological advancement.

Well - why can’t they become even more ‘technologically advanced’ and spend most of their time in their states, looking after their constituents, and doing video conferencing to thrash things out with the other senators/representatives?
Would reduce their carbon footprint, as well …

287 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:45am

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

It’s true. One of the quickest, easiest ways to downsize the activities of the federal government would be to mandate removal of air conditioning from all government offices.

Oh, I believed ya. Count me in on removing the air conditioners. I could put together a list of facilities while you set up the tool kit.

288 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:45am

re: #280 smokefire

Hahhaha.

No Avigdor (Ivet) Lieberman. To know him is to love him. The Israeli party is Yisrael Beitenu (“Israel is Our Home”). Worth a google.

289 splat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:48am

Golem Akbar

Saudis are really worried about Iran getting the bomb.Israel knows it’s not the only target of Iran.

It makes you think about a different aspect of this. Iranian ( Persian ) nationalism. Remember Persia was the first superpower and enjoyed a long history as such. Perhaps a portion of this is an Iranian desire to put the Arabs ‘in their place’ and restore their role as the dominant regional power.

Plus.. there’s no question ElBaradei is in the pocket of the Mullahs. I expect a few appreciation bonuses are flowing to his Swiss bank account.

290 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:52am

re: #284 albusteve

How about taking air conditioning out of IRS offices?

291 abolitionist  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:04am

re: #86 monkeytime

Japan!?!?!?!?!? Well I will say this. People fear Japan more then anyone will EVER fear the UN.

True so far, but the UN has been pushing quietly for its own nukes for a while, as an incentive for “enforcing peace” among nations. I shudder to contemplate whether this agenda has anything to do with promises The Won has made about reducing our own armaments.

292 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:39am

re: #276 WriterMom

Bwahahahaha. Kenneth, I just loves ya.

And a further idea is deny the bastards access to Viagra…

293 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:51am
294 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:53am

re: #267 albusteve

right…they only exist in theory…
thats been said about ‘moderate muslims as well’

True.
Anybody ever come across a moderate Muslim?

I’ve heard of some who called themselves ‘moderate’ - until the police found their PCs …

295 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:56am

re: #276 WriterMom

Bwahahahaha. Kenneth, I just loves ya.

MOM, just read that……………….LOL, ROFLMAO, PIP.[peeing in pants]

296 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:38:03am

re: #286 yma o hyd

Well - why can’t they become even more ‘technologically advanced’ and spend most of their time in their states, looking after their constituents, and doing video conferencing to thrash things out with the other senators/representatives?
Would reduce their carbon footprint, as well

Yma, you just don’t get it … it’s not their own carbon footprint they worry about, it’s OURS.

297 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #283 WriterMom

Kewl. You know Herzog is a very important name…Ireland’s Chief Rabbi was Herzog, and his son became president of Israel-and his son Booji Herzog is a Labour MK in Israel.

Whitey was a Herzog for the Saints of the Cardinals..well known fact

298 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:38:21am

re: #291 abolitionist

I see the EU controlling nukes and having an actual military before the UN.

299 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:39:39am

New thread, gonna check it out before I head to the docs office.

300 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:39:56am

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Except the name will be something like “The People’s Democratic Socialist Union of America.”

Hell, that was easy to finish.


American Socialist States.
And an A$$ will take us there.

301 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:03am

re: #282 avanti

Expecting a “clean” bill without some goodies for both sides may be optimistic.

Yet THAT is exactly what Obama promised and was one of his campaign planks.

302 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:03am

re: #281 FurryOldGuyJeans

I’ll cheer with it hits $0.48.

it’s really nothing to cheer about, whether you agree with the editorial and opinion content of this paper or not.

It’s nothing to cheer about because it shows how many business’ have been coasting on past achievements and broken business models.

Our daily conservative paper is about to fold, if something doesn’t happen is a few weeks.

So, this is not just a barometer of liberal news sources, this is an overall barometer of what is happening to the country.

Go ahead and cheer, because we all are going down with this ship if we keep this up.

303 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:20am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

I suggest everyone read up on that word, and pay very close attention to the meaning.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Can’t resist:
Plutocracy: Government by Mickey Mouse’s dog.

304 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:28am

re: #297 albusteve

Whitey was a Herzog for the Saints of the Cardinals..well known fact

……………….Before that Royals of Kansas City.

305 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:33am

re: #275 Van Helsing

I have a proposed protest:
However many people it takes to surround the Capitol with each person occupying 1 sq meter.

5 ranks deep

Each carrying a shield of thin flimsy cardboard (don’t want to frighten anyone) modeled on the Roman scutum.

With the entire text of the Bill of Rights (amendments 1-10) laminated on it.

Stand for 3 days. Peacefully. Quietly, No messes. Certainly no giant puppets.

If there is any chant, let it be ‘You work for us’.

Dead impressive.
Would scare the living bejaysus out of the Congress critters, thats for sure!

306 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #301 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet THAT is exactly what Obama promised and was one of his campaign planks.

did you really believe that tripe?

307 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:12am

re: #300 newsjunkie_ky

American Socialist States.
And an A$$ will take us there.

OT - how has the ice storm effected you?

308 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:23am

re: #304 smokefire

……………….Before that Royals of Kansas City.

good one!

309 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:32am

re: #286 yma o hyd

Well - why can’t they become even more ‘technologically advanced’ and spend most of their time in their states, looking after their constituents, and doing video conferencing to thrash things out with the other senators/representatives?
Would reduce their carbon footprint, as well …

It’s like any other effin’ commie rat bastard state - we’re too stupid to take of ourselves, figure out how to spend our money, educate our children, etc.

They have to do it for us. And it is such a burden to carry that they need special conditions to carry on for our own good.
Fig puckers.

310 jcbunga  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:44:30am

The world stopped worrying about Japan after we f*ing flattened them. It was in all the papers you ass hat.

As the phrase goes, if there had been no Pearl Harbor, there would have been no Hiroshima.

You’d think that wouldn’t be lost on the Dinnerjacket. He must know that Tehran is one miscalculation away from the same fate.

311 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:45:31am

Presidents and prime ministers, princes and potentates come and go, but the unelected, unaccountable, irresponsible, Islam-appeasing, bungling, stupid, blind, deaf but sadly not dumb UN endures forever.

May simultaneous, highly localized earthquakes strike in Turtle Bay, Geneva, Nairobi and Vienna while full sessions are taking place.

And just for good measure, may U Thant Island sink beneath the waves.

312 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:45:51am

re: #305 yma o hyd

Dead impressive.
Would scare the living bejaysus out of the Congress critters, thats for sure!

I can get 5 people to do it. How can we get the others?
At the risk of being exclusionary, no Nazis, neo or otherwise, need apply.

Don’t want to turn it into Hedly LaMarrs line.
Although shooting people for chewing gum in line has a certain attraction…

313 ajakk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:06am

“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”

314 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:19am

re: #311 Cato the Elder


And just for good measure, may U Thant Island sink beneath the waves.

I can’t believe that ineffectual idiot has a piece of land named after him.
He is one of the supreme examples of the uselessness of the UN and its “Peacekeepers”.

315 abaleh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:50:58am

and appropriately, from the wikipedia entry:

The islet is now the site of a thirty-foot “oneness arch”

316 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #272 DeafDog

They’re polite to each other, but to non-japanese they are not so nice - at least that was my take on it.

I did not fine that to be the case when I was there. As a example, I was worried about taking a train to Hiroshima in my Navy dress blues in 1967. I stopped at a camera shop in Hiroshima to pick up a roll of Kodachrome not thinking of using the local Fuji stuff. The guy at the camera store wrote down the address of a competitors store and out the door I went.

A few minutes later the guy that gave me the directions rolled up in his van and motioned for me to hop in. I’ll admit, my first thought of was a headline saying “Young US sailor found dead on the road”, but I hopped in and got a ride to get my film. That was not the only time I was treated kindly even at Hiroshima bombing museum.
Maybe others here that hve sent time there have a different take on it.

317 mattm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:43am

Reason number 999,987,980,587,087,698,578 that the UN is worthless.

318 dahozho  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:53am

Why isn’t the world worried about Japan?”

Hmmmmm…let’s see…. How about ‘cause the Japanese haven’t had suicide bombers for about 70 years now? How about ‘cause they’ve given up their imperialist goals? How about ‘cause even though they’ve still not come to terms with the enormity of their own war atrocities, at least they’re concentrating on having their own nation and vibrant economy, and not marching around making other people miserable, or firing rockets and making other people miserable, or aiming their fighter planes at warships and making people miserable?

Why is this guy in any position of authority? (Ok, yes, I know the answer to that one, and I’m furious about it.)

319 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:59am

re: #301 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet THAT is exactly what Obama promised and was one of his campaign planks.

Yep, lets see if he delivers or decides to accept the good in pursuit of the perfect stance that is business as usual. Both sides must think they can sneak in a percent or two of pork and Obama will fold like a tent. We’ll see in a few weeks.

320 akak  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:59:40pm

Mr al- Baradei, we want the carpet back - you promised!

-Iran

321 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:03:36pm

Get the UN and ElBaradei the f*** out of my country, STAT!

322 ghost ryder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:08:25pm

re: #313 ajakk

“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”

Updinged for the excellent Rush qoute. And no, not Limbaugh, only the best band in the history of the universe.

323 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:31:40pm

re: #322 ghost ryder

Updinged for the excellent Rush qoute. And no, not Limbaugh, only the best band in the history of the universe.

Best Canadian, anyway.
Just tweaking you. They are in my top 5 for our unfashionable corner of the galaxy.

324 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:37:10pm

look what has happened on this wretched crack pot’s watch.
what lies and half truths he has told. what deceit from w/holding information.
and now iran is close to getting nukes while the civilized world yawned and looked the other way. too tired and indifferent to crush the 7th century barbarians pursuit of terrible power.
this is a time when we need a guy like john bolton in the white house.
he would not have suffered these fools for a second.
iran just can NOT get nukes. it will be hell at the finger tips of beasts.

325 So?  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:05:19pm

United Nations against Israel

326 So?  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:05:46pm

re: #325 So?

United Nations against Israel

UNAI

327 Dekar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:23pm

re: #41 realwest

Dear Mr. ElBaradei: Fuck You.
Sincerely,
A Christian Zionist who hasn’t forgotten Iran and 1979.

I salute you!

328 NCusTranshumanist  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:20:02am
“Why isn’t the world worried about Japan?”

No one has to worry about Japan. That was taken care of already. Now they’re best known for making great electronics and very imaginative cartoons.

Iran makes…

uh…

…can I get back to you?

Would they like the same solution applied as got applied to Japan?


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