NBC News is calling the New Hampshire primary for Mitt Romney, followed by Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman. The results so far:
Romney - 36%
Paul - 25%
Huntsman - 17%
Gingrich - 11%
Santorum - 10%
Perry - 1%
Some obvious conclusions: it’s all over for Rick “Evolution’s Just a Theory” Perry, and Newt Gingrich’s bizarre strategy of attacking Mitt Romney from the left has backfired, big time.
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EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:10:46pm |
The scandal is that Paul came in second. He should not have been a serious candidate.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:10:53pm |
Perry chose to ignore NH, so I think he's going on to SC anyway. Huntsman's distant 3rd place finish demonstrates the hopelessness of his campaign.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:11:53pm |
re: #2 aagcobb
Perry chose to ignore NH, so I think he's going on to SC anyway. Huntsman's distant 3rd place finish demonstrates the hopelessness of his campaign.
Yeah, this was the high-water mark for Huntsman, as this was the only early state he made a real serious commitment to. He might as well pack it in now.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:12:25pm |
re: #1 EdDantes
The scandal is that Paul came in second. He should not have been a serious candidate.
he knows that...he's just having fun
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:13:00pm |
re: #3 albusteve
Pretty much.
Ron Paul is attacking Romney's opponents for attacking his business record. Saying they're ignorant.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:13:52pm |
re: #2 aagcobb
Perry chose to ignore NH, so I think he's going on to SC anyway. Huntsman's distant 3rd place finish demonstrates the hopelessness of his campaign.
It's quite a surge from the bottom of the pack. I'm surprised to see him doing so well.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:14:45pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
It's quite a surge from the bottom of the pack. I'm surprised to see him doing so well.
Well, except for Perry and Gingrich...
/
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:15:12pm |
re: #5 albusteve
he knows that...he's just having fun
He defended Romney from the attacks Gingrich made against him. Paul has been attacking almost everyone except Romney. His clear objective is to eliminate everyone else from the race so that he is the only alternative left to Romney. He is trying to push the GOP to become the defacto Libertarian Party; on economic issues the GOP is most of the way there.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:16:10pm |
re: #10 aagcobb
He defended Romney from the attacks Gingrich made against him. Paul has been attacking almost everyone except Romney. His clear objective is to eliminate everyone else from the race so that he is the only alternative left to Romney. He is trying to push the GOP to become the defacto Libertarian Party; on economic issues the GOP is most of the way there.
The political version of Survivor.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:17:01pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
It's quite a surge from the bottom of the pack. I'm surprised to see him doing so well.
I'm not. Literally all he's done is New Hampshire.
Meanwhile: yawn.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:17:01pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
It's quite a surge from the bottom of the pack. I'm surprised to see him doing so well.
Well Huntsman camped out in NH the way Santorum did in Iowa, but I don't see where his campaign goes from here, unless he wants to wait for the Utah primary.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:17:11pm |
Huntsman has received very little attention and might emerge undamaged enough to run again next time. I suspect none of the current crop will return again.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:18:02pm |
re: #14 aagcobb
Well Huntsman camped out in NH the way Santorum did in Iowa, but I don't see where his campaign goes from here, unless he wants to wait for the Utah primary.
Another few debates, and Utah will be in play--for Obama.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:18:06pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
Huntsman has received very little attention and might emerge undamaged enough to run again next time. I suspect none of the current crop will return again.
Romney will be too old, and in any case will be twice-damaged goods; everyone else has been or will have been laughed out of the room.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:18:07pm |
re: #12 b_sharp
The political version of Survivor.
And I think we're about to see Perry voted off the island.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:18:09pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
Huntsman has received very little attention and might emerge undamaged enough to run again next time. I suspect none of the current crop will return again.
There's also the "hag factor".
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albusteve Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:18:29pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
Huntsman has received very little attention and might emerge undamaged enough to run again next time. I suspect none of the current crop will return again.
you have to prime the pump
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Olsonist Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:18:44pm |
Nothing says President of the United States quite like 36%. In New Hampshire. Where you should be a favorite son.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:19:14pm |
re: #10 aagcobb
He defended Romney from the attacks Gingrich made against him. Paul has been attacking almost everyone except Romney. His clear objective is to eliminate everyone else from the race so that he is the only alternative left to Romney. He is trying to push the GOP to become the defacto Libertarian Party; on economic issues the GOP is most of the way there.
I just honestly don't see it, seriously. If Paul's the remaining alternative to Romney, then the GOP is screwed.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:20:42pm |
re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I just honestly don't see it, seriously. If Paul's the remaining alternative to Romney, thenthe GOP is screwed.
fixed it for you
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:21:34pm |
Laters Perry. Looks like Obama's homo war on religion has won the day.
The forces of darkness triumph once again.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:21:39pm |
What happens if Paul is the only not-Mitt left standing?
That could get interesting.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:21:54pm |
re: #26 Talking Point Detective
What happens if Paul is the only not-Mitt left standing?
That could get interesting.
Thunderdome.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:22:03pm |
re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I just honestly don't see it, seriously. If Paul's the remaining alternative to Romney, then the GOP is screwed.
It would be interesting to see him be the last alpha Not-Mitt, just to see how many of the TPGOPs line up for him.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:22:34pm |
Damn, Governor Perry.
I didn't even go to New Hampshire.
Don't know anyone in New Hampshire.
You only beat me by one percent.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:22:35pm |
It's hilarious: all the right wing bloggers who've been hating on Mittens are going to end up holding their noses and voting for him.
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William of Orange Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:22:36pm |
Honestly, I'm amazed at the bounce back by Huntsman. I think he is the least batshit insane person of the six out there.
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bratwurst Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:23:07pm |
re: #26 Talking Point Detective
What happens if Paul is the only not-Mitt left standing?
That could get interesting.
Chairman Limbaugh will go berserk...he hates both.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:23:12pm |
re: #30 Charles
It's hilarious: all the right wing bloggers who've been hating on Mittens are going to end up holding their noses and voting for him.
It's McCain all over again for them. "Yeah, I hate the bastard, but I don't want another 4 years of Obama!"
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:23:47pm |
re: #30 Charles
It's hilarious: all the right wing bloggers who've been hating on Mittens are going to end up holding their noses and voting for him.
Don't worry, they'll dredge up all their old arguments after the election.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:23:53pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It's McCain all over again for them. "Yeah, I hate the bastard, but I don't want another 4 years of Obama!"
Then they'll demand a wingnut VP and lose the election.
Derp.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:24:19pm |
re: #31 William of Orange
Honestly, I'm amazed at the bounce back by Huntsman. I think he is the least batshit insane person of the six out there.
That's why Huntsman doesn't have a chance in South Carolina. Think it's over for him.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:24:23pm |
re: #30 Charles
It's hilarious: all the right wing bloggers who've been hating on Mittens are going to end up holding their noses and voting for him.
Planned Parenthood, assault weapons ban, RomneyCare, etc.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:25:34pm |
re: #36 Charleston Chew
That's why Huntsman doesn't have a chance in South Carolina. Think it's over for him.
Maybe if he fires one of the antique shore guns at Ft. Sumter...
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:25:53pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:25:58pm |
re: #35 Varek Raith
Then they'll demand a wingnut VP and lose the election.
Derp.
Then tell themselves a month later that he lost because he wasn't "conservative enough."
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:26:25pm |
When he supported the Brady Bill in 1994, Romney said, "That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA. I don't line up with the NRA." Just before declaring his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, Romney joined the National Rifle Association (NRA). In 2005, Romney declared the 31st anniversary of the Gun Owners' Action League "Right to Bear Arms Day".
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:27:55pm |
In 1994, Romney supported the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, but by 2006 he had changed his mind and opposed it because it would limit the rights of corporations to fire people with inappropriate lifestyles.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:28:04pm |
Perry's campaign was probably thwarted by those nefarious Iranians, and their mastery of lightspeed ground combat.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:28:27pm |
re: #31 William of Orange
Honestly, I'm amazed at the bounce back by Huntsman. I think he is the least batshit insane person of the six out there.
This is New England
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:28:28pm |
re: #32 bratwurst
Chairman Limbaugh will go berserk...he hates both.
Rush was actually defending Romney today, saying Newt was parroting the NY Times and singing from the same hymnal as OWS. Funny!
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:28:30pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
Huntsman has received very little attention and might emerge undamaged enough to run again next time. I suspect none of the current crop will return again.
I have a question for you..Did you hear about the new Google search options today? It searches for anything social, pictures etc..
So what the hell..I plugged in Hoosierhoops + Little green Footballs to see what happens.. One of the first links was from the Stalker blog claiming that it's a fact that you and I spread raciest remarks around the web.. It's a fact they say..It was a deeply hurtful post that is a complete lie..
So can I sue them? Fricking Google for pulling that link out of their ass..
I'm sure the stalkers could stoop lower..But I'm not sure how..
Oh well..Back to politics
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:29:02pm |
I'm surprised they called it so early. Only 19% in at this point.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:29:23pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
When he supported the Brady Bill in 1994, Romney said, "That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA. I don't line up with the NRA." Just before declaring his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, Romney joined the National Rifle Association (NRA). In 2005, Romney declared the 31st anniversary of the Gun Owners' Action League "Right to Bear Arms Day".
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: technipol.tumblr.com...]
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:29:41pm |
re: #49 Charleston Chew
I'm surprised they called it so early. Only 19% in at this point.
I'm sure they base it on exit polls. They just have to wait until the polls close.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:29:45pm |
re: #30 Charles
It's hilarious: all the right wing bloggers who've been hating on Mittens are going to end up holding their noses and voting for him.
Better - all the fundies will stay at home rather than vote for the cultist. Big block of votes and money gone just like that.
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bratwurst Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:29:52pm |
re: #47 aagcobb
Rush was actually defending Romney today, saying Newt was parroting the NY Times and singing from the same hymnal as OWS. Funny!
I suspect he is reading the writing on the wall. He won't attach his name to any of the anti-Romneys because he doesn't want to be seen backing a loser.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:30:12pm |
I hope Newt keeps it up, and I think he will, outta spite. All good for Pres. Obama's 2nd term.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:31:18pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
The man has to be one of the biggest flip-flopper in political history.
I wonder how big a market there will be for "Official Mitt Romney Flip-Flops" this year...
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:31:23pm |
re: #30 Charles
It's hilarious: all the right wing bloggers who've been hating on Mittens are going to end up holding their noses and voting for him.
Schadenfreude is so tasty...pass the popcorn, please.
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elizajane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:31:39pm |
At this point, Mitt has 35%. In 2008 he lost with 31%.
This is a Mitt Romney victory -- a shrug-the-shoulders, what-the-heck-at-least-we-didn't-lose victory.
A 2/3 of all the voters wish he hadn't won victory.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:31:57pm |
Herman Cain has 32 votes. I'd love to get all those people in room just to find out why they're still on board the Cain Train.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:32:07pm |
re: #52 wlewisiii
Better - all the fundies will stay at home rather than vote for the cultist. Big block of votes and money gone just like that.
Not all of them. Many of them will decide that a Mormon isn't as bad as a Mooslum.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:33:06pm |
re: #52 wlewisiii
Better - all the fundies will stay at home rather than vote for the cultist. Big block of votes and money gone just like that.
The key here is if Romney is the candidate would be to create a strong level of disillusion amongst Republican voters. The Obama camp needs to foment apathy with those voters. That means bringing up right wing talking points such as the few points I brought up here. So you have to let these Republican voters know, "did you know that Romney supported the Brady Bill?" The big one of course is Romney Care.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:33:11pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
It's quite a surge from the bottom of the pack. I'm surprised to see him doing so well.
You might say, "Huntsman surges from behind in New Hampshire."
AKA - "The absolutely best twitter exchange of the day, if not ever."
[Link: youngphillypolitics.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:33:27pm |
re: #59 aagcobb
Not all of them. Many of them will decide that a Mormon isn't as bad as a Mooslum.
Its not like Mitt's plive or anything.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:33:29pm |
re: #58 Charleston Chew
Herman Cain has 32 votes. I'd love to get all those people in room just to find out why they're still on board the Cain Train.
Slept through the stop at Cheaterville.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:33:31pm |
re: #47 aagcobb
Rush was actually defending Romney today, saying Newt was parroting the NY Times and singing from the same hymnal as OWS. Funny!
And that's the way it'll be, just like they were with McCain, going after the attackers rather than substance of the attack.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:34:45pm |
1/4 of NH Republicans are apparently completely bonkers
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kirkspencer Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:34:49pm |
Up till last week I was saying it could be a race. Now, I say Charles was prescient.
The only way there might have been a race would be for someone else to win SC and/or Florida.
Romney's going to win NH. He's going to win SC. He's going to win Florida. At that point unless he craters or some act of gravel interferes there'll be no doubt in anyone's mind.
We're going to have ten long months of Romney v Obama, most of them in the guise of Romney vs the also-rans (because of the way the money moves).
I'm so excited. /////
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:34:55pm |
re: #57 elizajane
At this point, Mitt has 35%. In 2008 he lost with 31%.
This is a Mitt Romney victory -- a shrug-the-shoulders, what-the-heck-at-least-we-didn't-lose victory.
A 2/3 of all the voters wish he hadn't won victory.
The only thing that'll get many GOPers to vote in November is ODS. The Rightwing media will be working hard to whip up fear of the impending destruction of America to get them to the polls.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:35:09pm |
Note to GOP.
You poison the wells and salt the earth after you leave. It's imperative that you remember this.
;)
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:35:28pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
1/4 of NH Republicans are apparently completely bonkers
27%, the magic number is 27.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:36:13pm |
There he goes again. "Obama apologizes for America and I will never apologize for the greatest nation in the history of the Earth."
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:36:21pm |
re: #68 Varek Raith
Note to GOP.
You poison the wells and salt the earth after you leave. It's imperative that you remember this.
;)
"Rape then pillage, Olaf!"
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:36:29pm |
Romney just keeps hyping the right wing lie that Obama "apologizes" for America. Attack of the zombie false meme.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:36:35pm |
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:37:13pm |
re: #73 Charles
Romney just keeps hyping the right wing lie that Obama "apologizes" for America. Attack of the zombie false meme.
But its truthy.
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:37:21pm |
"My opponent doesn't love all you little people as much as I do."
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:37:37pm |
Obama only needs to apologize for America if Romney beats him in Nov.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:37:56pm |
re: #60 Gus 802
The key here is if Romney is the candidate would be to create a strong level of disillusion amongst Republican voters. The Obama camp needs to foment apathy with those voters. That means bringing up right wing talking points such as the few points I brought up here. So you have to let these Republican voters know, "did you know that Romney supported the Brady Bill?" The big one of course is Romney Care.
You're right, and I'm not accusing you of encouraging it, but it's a depressing statement about our system of government that a path to victory is as much about convincing your opponent's supporters not to vote as it is about convincing them about the wisdom of your beliefs and policies.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:38:24pm |
Ron Paul won a lot of northern New Hampshire counties (do they call them counties?) Looks like Paul is taking a lot of the rural vote like Santorum did in Iowa.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:39:11pm |
re: #78 erik_t
You're right, and I'm not accusing you of encouraging it, but it's a depressing statement about our system of government that a path to victory is as much about convincing your opponent's supporters not to vote as it is about convincing them about the wisdom of your beliefs and policies.
How about refusing to let them vote with a state-school photo ID?
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:39:16pm |
I seemed to have missed a meme.
What is this blah and plive thing?
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:39:26pm |
re: #79 Charleston Chew
there are some weirdos up in those woods
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:40:11pm |
re: #78 erik_t
You're right, and I'm not accusing you of encouraging it, but it's a depressing statement about our system of government that a path to victory is as much about convincing your opponent's supporters not to vote as it is about convincing them about the wisdom of your beliefs and policies.
Yep. I admit, I'm encouraging it. It should be encouraged. ;)
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:40:15pm |
re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Rape then pillage, Olaf!"
Taggart: I got it, I got it!
Hedley Lamarr: You do?
Taggart: We'll work up a "Number 6" on 'em!
Hedley Lamarr: "Number 6"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one...
Taggart: Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whampin' and whompin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
Taggart: Naw--We rape the shit out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on!
Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous!
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:40:15pm |
re: #82 Varek Raith
I seemed to have missed a meme.
What is this blah and plive thing?
Santorum Tries Again To Defend Racist Welfare Rant: I Said ‘Plives,’ Not ‘Black’
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:40:19pm |
re: #73 Charles
Romney just keeps hyping the right wing lie that Obama "apologizes" for America. Attack of the zombie false meme.
That's the latest of the false memes he's unearthed recently. The one before that was "Obama's made the economy worse!," which he buried months back when it was categorically proven that it was absolute bullshit.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:40:27pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:41:05pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:41:21pm |
re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum Tries Again To Defend Racist Welfare Rant: I Said ‘Plives,’ Not ‘Black’
Worst.
Excuse.
Ever.
Lol.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:41:54pm |
re: #83 SpaceJesus
there are some weirdos up in those woods
It's interesting that New England's weirdo's lean more libertarian than social conservative. But I guess that's been the conventional wisdom for New Hampshire for a while. Less Bible Belt and more gold-under-the-mattress types.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:42:22pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:42:37pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
Is he using a teleprompter?
Unpossible, only Obama uses teleprompters! True politicians need them not!
//
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:45:13pm |
re: #54 Stanley Sea
I hope Newt keeps it up, and I think he will, outta spite. All good for Pres. Obama's 2nd term.
DING DING DING!
We have a winnah!
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:45:57pm |
re: #96 Floral Giraffe
DING DING DING!
We have a winnah!
Newt's in full 'NUKE IT FROM ORBIT' mode now.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:46:35pm |
re: #93 Charleston Chew
Yeah, religion plays much less of a role. But the whole "mind your own damn business" approach of Paul does work for people pretty well.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:47:06pm |
re: #91 Varek Raith
Worst.
Excuse.
Ever.
Lol.
he distinctly said "To blave" and as we all know, to blave means to bluff, heh? So you were probably playing cards, and he cheated--
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:47:11pm |
re: #91 Varek Raith
Worst.
Excuse.
Ever.
Lol.
It's incompetent lying like that that almost makes me ashamed to be a liar.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:47:24pm |
All black people are on welfare?
In Canada, it's all aboriginals.
/// 9_9 ///
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:47:25pm |
The temperature of this election year just got a little hotter. Time to start pouring it on Romney even more now. Next stop, South Carolina. You can't stop and you have to keep going until November.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:47:52pm |
re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
he distinctly said "To blave" and as we all know, to blave means to bluff, heh? So you were probably playing cards, and he cheated--
He's just mostly dead.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:48:30pm |
re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You may think you beat me to that joke, but you didn't.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:49:49pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
1/4 of NH Republicans are apparently completely bonkers
100% of SpaceJesus voters are completely banannas.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:50:44pm |
re: #102 b_sharp
All black people are on welfare?
In Canada, it's all aboriginals.
/// 9_9 ///
Makes me wish Santorum was a Canadian politician just to hear what words he'd make up when claiming he didn't actually say "aboriginal".
"I'm telling you, I said 'sclaportijetpal people'!"
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:51:17pm |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You may think you beat me to that joke, but you didn't.
I know something you don't know.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:51:42pm |
re: #97 Varek Raith
Newt's in full 'NUKE IT FROM ORBIT' mode now.
Newt's engaged in a scorched earth campaign, deciding that if he can't have the nomination, then he'll do his best to hobble Romney's chances in the general. After all, what's he got to lose, it's not like the GOP could really hate him much more than they do now.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:51:46pm |
re: #109 SpaceJesus
we need more spacejesus voters.
YOU might need more SJ voters, I'm not sure about the rest of us.
*smooch* anyways
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:52:07pm |
@ChadPergram
Ron Paul HQ playing the Imperial March from Star Wars.....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:52:23pm |
re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sounds scandalous.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:52:25pm |
re: #113 Floral Giraffe
YOU might need more SJ voters, I'm not sure about the rest of us.
*smooch* anyways
You kiss-up.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:52:44pm |
| 118 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:53:36pm |
| 120 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:54:52pm |
| 121 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:55:22pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:56:59pm |
@AriBerman
Shocker: Romney did best among voters making over $200,000
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:57:46pm |
re: #124 jaunte
@AriBerman
Shocker: Romney did best among voters making over $200,000
Which is hilarious, because all the GOP candidates pretty much have similar tax plans, namely giving the rich even more tax breaks while dropping the tax burden on the rest of us yet again.
| 127 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:59:17pm |
OT... AMC, Christine is on right now. Story Notes version.
Story Notes is a hoot. "Pop-up Video" for movies.
| 128 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:59:24pm |
| 130 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:02:01pm |
I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father.Now prepare to die.
| 131 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:02:46pm |
| 132 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:02:55pm |
re: #119 b_sharp
Are you claiming to be dextrose?
Dextrose - Dexterous - Dexter - Sinister - Scandalous
| 133 |
Big Steve Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:03:40pm |
re: #30 Charles
Mittens
Maybe I am overly sensitive given that I have a last name that is unusual.....but I hate the trend to come up with insulting plays on a candidate's given name. I hated all the name twisting with President Bush. I detest it with President Obama and I wish we could avoid it in this election. Make fun of a politicians voting record, ideas, lies.....all fair game. But the name they are born with is hardly their fault.
| 134 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:03:45pm |
| 136 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:04:02pm |
re: #130 EdDantes
I amMy name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father.NowPrepare to die.
| 137 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:04:30pm |
Gollum is now addressing a fired up Ron Paul audience...
| 138 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:04:44pm |
re: #133 Big Steve
Maybe I am overly sensitive given that I have a last name that is unusual...but I hate the trend to come up with insulting plays on a candidate's given name. I hated all the name twisting with President Bush. I detest it with President Obama and I wish we could avoid it in this election. Make fun of a politicians voting record, ideas, lies...all fair game. But the name they are born with is hardly their fault.
We should call him Willard?
| 140 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:05:08pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:05:12pm |
re: #112 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Newt's engaged in a scorched earth campaign, deciding that if he can't have the nomination, then he'll do his best to hobble Romney's chances in the general. After all, what's he got to lose, it's not like the GOP could really hate him much more than they do now.
The whole jilted lover/stalker "If I can't have you, no one will" vibe...it's creepy and horrifying enough to hear about in everyday life, but even more so when one of the most important jobs in the world is on the line.
| 142 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:05:26pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I apologize for my imperfect memory. :)
| 143 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:05:29pm |
| 145 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:06:39pm |
This field certainly has Republicans fired up. Nate Silver is reporting that Republican turnout in the NH primary may be off as much as 40% compared to 2008.
| 146 |
CuriousLurker Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:06:40pm |
LOL, been watching #tcot and it's running the gamut (none of it happy).
Morose sarcasm:
@ThatChristyChic Christy Waters
New Hampshire chooses mayo as their condiment on the #CrapSandwich. #gop #tcot #tpp
We're supposed to have the freedom to deny other people theirs—this is unfair!!11!
@PeterLaBarbera Peter LaBarbera
#Mitt talks freedom, yet backs #gay rights laws that undermine relig + moral freedom of conscience. Not like Reagan. #tcot #gop #hhrs
ZOMG—there will be centaurs!!11!
@SohlUSA Sanctity of Life
We need #Personhood Amendments to stop Human-Animal Hybrids. It's a brave new world! newsmax.com/Newsfront/huma… #ProLife #tcot
But the pledge, he DIDN'T SIGN THE PLEDGE!!11!
@incognito912 Incognito
@hughhewitt Romney promises a clear and unapologetic defense of free enterprise. #hhrs BUT WILL .@MITROMNEY SIGN A PLEDGE TO AMERICA? #tcot
O_o
| 147 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:06:40pm |
| 148 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:07:21pm |
re: #133 Big Steve
Sure, "Steve" is an unusual last name.
I would have thought you would've had a harder time with the first name "Big".
| 149 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:07:25pm |
re: #143 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
This is heavy.
Is there a problem with Earth's gravitational pull?
| 150 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:07:43pm |
re: #146 CuriousLurker
I like what I'm reading! LOL We need to encourage them. ;)
| 151 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:08:07pm |
re: #146 CuriousLurker
LOL, been watching #tcot and it's running the gamut (none of it happy).
Morose sarcasm:
We're supposed to have the freedom to deny other people theirs—this is unfair!!11!
ZOMG—there will be centaurs!!11!
But the pledge, he DIDN'T SIGN THE PLEDGE!!11!
O_o
Human-Animal hybrids?
This poster clearly has the brains of a lemming.
| 152 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:08:41pm |
re: #151 Varek Raith
Human-Animal hybrids?
This poster clearly has the brains of a lemming.
Or brains the consistency of lemon pudding...
| 153 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:09:29pm |
Huntsman will have his 15 minutes. It's in the tradition.
| 154 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:10:01pm |
I can't say that 'human-animal hybrids' is at the top of my list for things to be concerned about...
Hell, it's not even on my list.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:10:08pm |
re: #153 Naso Tang
Huntsman will have his 15 minutes. It's in the tradition.
He can't be the next Anti-Mitt though.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:10:21pm |
re: #146 CuriousLurker
LOL, been watching #tcot and it's running the gamut (none of it happy).
Morose sarcasm:
We're supposed to have the freedom to deny other people theirs—this is unfair!!11!
ZOMG—there will be centaurs!!11!
But the pledge, he DIDN'T SIGN THE PLEDGE!!11!
O_o
Is it still too early to pop the cork on the schadenfreude?
| 157 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:10:24pm |
re: #151 Varek Raith
Human-Animal hybrids?
This poster clearly has the brains of a lemming.
Didn't Christine O'Donnell warn us last year that scientists had created a mouse-human hybrid? The horror!
| 158 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:10:29pm |
The racist Ron Paul is giving his "victory" speech.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:10:34pm |
re: #154 Varek Raith
I can't say that 'human-animal hybrids' is at the top of my list for things to be concerned about...
Hell, it's not even on my list.
Who brought that up?
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:11:32pm |
thishear Ronn Paul feller is the re in tarnation of Ginirul Jackson! he b'lieves in sound money - none o' thishear Ragg Munny from them Ragg-Tagg Banks!!!
| 161 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:11:38pm |
re: #157 aagcobb
She's now calling for unity:
@ChristineOD
Destructive GOP blood bath is dangerously close to beyond repair. Please, voters, call for it to stop or Obama will win.
| 162 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:11:48pm |
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EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:12:12pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:12:22pm |
re: #154 Varek Raith
I can't say that 'human-animal hybrids' is at the top of my list for things to be concerned about...
Hell, it's not even on my list.
The pop science press has been talking up primate chimeras. We're still a ways from Anubis.
| 165 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:12:31pm |
re: #146 CuriousLurker
@SohlUSA Sanctity of Life
We need #Personhood Amendments to stop Human-Animal Hybrids. It's a brave new world! newsmax.com/Newsfront/huma… #ProLife #tcot
Too late, the genie's already out of the bottle.
Image: Y9jW7.jpg
| 166 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:13:00pm |
re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He can't be the next Anti-Mitt though.
Sure he can, of the purest kind, no religion involved.
| 167 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:13:24pm |
I love how Ron Paul keeps ranting about "protecting liberty." This is the guy who thinks the Civil Rights Act shouldn't exist.
Ron Paul's a big supporter of liberty, all right. For white people.
| 168 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:13:27pm |
re: #138 wrenchwench
We should call him Willard?
Maybe he can lead his army of rats to chew Paul and Santorum's faces off.
///
| 169 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:13:30pm |
re: #161 jaunte
She's now calling for unity:
@ChristineOD
Destructive GOP blood bath is dangerously close to beyond repair. Please, voters, call for it to stop or Obama will win.
Little late for that, darlin'. Gingrich has been busy chumming the waters.
| 170 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:13:31pm |
re: #157 aagcobb
Didn't Christine O'Donnell warn us last year that scientists had created a mouse-human hybrid? The horror!
Was she it?
| 171 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:14:07pm |
re: #157 aagcobb
Didn't Christine O'Donnell warn us last year that scientists had created a mouse-human hybrid? The horror!
Not just a hybrid, but mice with human brains!!!
| 172 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:14:10pm |
re: #166 Naso Tang
Sure he can, of the purest kind, no religion involved.
Except he's a Mormon, which the Evangelicals can't get behind.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:14:39pm |
re: #167 Charles
I love how Ron Paul keeps ranting about "protecting liberty." This is the guy who thinks the Civil Rights Act shouldn't exist.
Ron Paul's a big supporter of liberty, all right. For white people.
It's his one-stop answer for everything, "The states will take care of it." If a state decides to let businesses discriminate against minorities, well then, he's okay with that. He doesn't like it, but it's "the will of the people."
| 174 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:14:47pm |
| 175 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:15:00pm |
re: #161 jaunte
She's now calling for unity:
@ChristineOD
Destructive GOP blood bath is dangerously close to beyond repair. Please, voters, call for it to stop or Obama will win.
Party Unity My Ass
| 176 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:15:26pm |
re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Except he's a Mormon, which the Evangelicals can't get behind.
Not to be pedant, but that was the point. Mormon - Mormon = zero.
| 177 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:15:30pm |
re: #171 negativ
Not just a hybrid, but mice with human brains!!!
[Video]
CROCODUCK TO THE RESCUE!!!
| 178 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:16:12pm |
ron paul allus talks about 'sound money', but he never tells us what it sounds like
| 179 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:17:16pm |
re: #178 engineer dog
ron paul allus talks about 'sound money', but he never tells us what it sounds like
Cha-ching!
| 180 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:17:17pm |
re: #178 engineer dog
ron paul allus talks about 'sound money', but he never tells us what it sounds like
It sounds like Mitt Romney.
| 181 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:17:26pm |
re: #178 engineer dog
ron paul allus talks about 'sound money', but he never tells us what it sounds like
If he were consistent, he would take donations only in gold.
| 182 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:17:37pm |
re: #178 engineer dog
ron paul allus talks about 'sound money', but he never tells us what it sounds like
| 183 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:17:40pm |
re: #171 negativ
Not just a hybrid, but mice with human brains!!!
[Video]
This is what happens when you divide by zero.
| 184 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:17:53pm |
I Was Kicked Out of a Mitt Romney Event and Arrested Yesterday. I’m Still Trying to Figure Out Why.
/Suspected of disagreement.
| 185 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:18:16pm |
re: #183 Varek Raith
This is what happens when you divide by zero.
You get infinity?
Or is it undefined?
| 186 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:18:20pm |
re: #181 Decatur Deb
If he were consistent, he would take donations only in gold.
No.
Bottle caps.
The true currency of a post apocalyptic world.
| 187 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:18:34pm |
re: #173 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ron, our representative constitutional government was set up to thwart the will of the people. "The people" can be asses.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:19:42pm |
re: #184 jaunte
I Was Kicked Out of a Mitt Romney Event and Arrested Yesterday. I’m Still Trying to Figure Out Why.
/Suspected of disagreement.
Police'a man, he give you no break.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:19:47pm |
re: #178 engineer dog
ron paul allus talks about 'sound money', but he never tells us what it sounds like
Sounds like morons and paranoiacs giving their life savings to shady-assed companies like Goldline and the like in exchange for gold and gold futures.
A fool and his money...
| 190 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:19:49pm |
| 191 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:20:03pm |
re: #167 Charles
I love how Ron Paul keeps ranting about "protecting liberty." This is the guy who thinks the Civil Rights Act shouldn't exist.
Ron Paul's a big supporter of liberty, all right. For white people.
The liberty to be a huge raging ass-neck and deny people equal access to public accommodations based on race or religion is the bedrock our freedom is founded upon.
| 192 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:20:12pm |
re: #187 EdDantes
Ron, our representative constitutional government was set up to thwart the will of the people. "The people" can be asses.
Counteract the tyranny of the majority.
| 193 |
Talking Point Detective Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:21:08pm |
OT:
Seems like a really nice guy, in a lunatic, extremist "ultraconservative" kind of a way.
| 194 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:21:12pm |
@AngryBlackLady
I bet if President Obama legalized weed tomorrow, 75% of Ron Paul’s support would disappear.
| 195 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:21:32pm |
| 196 |
BongCrodny Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:21:35pm |
| 197 |
zora Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:21:42pm |
re: #167 Charles
I love how Ron Paul keeps ranting about "protecting liberty." This is the guy who thinks the Civil Rights Act shouldn't exist.
Ron Paul's a big supporter of liberty, all right. For white people.
white menfolk.
| 198 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:22:11pm |
re: #192 b_sharp
Counteract the tyranny of the majority.
Is that what GWB called "political capital"?
| 199 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:22:31pm |
re: #195 EdDantes
Indeed, my perspicacious young friend. :)
I'm an old fart and I wear antiperspirant.
| 200 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:22:56pm |
| 201 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:24:32pm |
re: #196 BongCrodny
Spelled Mitt rOmNEY.
But Obama will have the 1 billion dollar campaign. If Citizen United decision monies count anyway. it just might hit that number.
| 202 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:25:05pm |
| 204 |
Mark Winter Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:26:42pm |
Looks like the guys God is not speaking to are leading the pack.
| 205 |
lawhawk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:27:10pm |
Mitt wins, and who will get the press tomorrow? Huntsman because he managed to come in third? Sheesh.
Here's my take:
Mitt wins because it's NH and they know Mitt as the former Mass. governor.
Paul came in second (again), but it's not like he's got any topside potential. This is as far as it goes for him but he'll spin this as his launching pad to victory.
Huntsman predicated his entire strategy (if you can call it that) on NH. He's in third (and that's probably where he'll end up). He's toast.
Santorum? Fourth and tied with Gingrich, and not exactly catching fire even after the surprise showing in IA. Gingrich has maxed out and is already into his campaign's death spiral, but he'll stick around so he thinks he can stick it to Romney; once again showing what kind of mean-spirited political shill he is.
And then, there's Perry who was an afterthought in NH. After being an afterthought in IA. And will be an afterthought in SC. He's toast, and he doesn't know it yet.
Perry will probably call it next week, after he blows up in SC, even though he should be done tomorrow.
| 207 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:28:38pm |
re: #201 Rightwingconspirator
But Obama will have the 1 billion dollar campaign. If Citizen United decision monies count anyway. it just might hit that number.
Not sure I understand. From what "united citizens" (aka corporations, as Mitt would say) will he get it that he wouldn't have previously?
| 208 |
HAL2010 Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:29:14pm |
With 85 of 301 precincts reporting, 52,191 voters have cast a ballot in the Republican primary so far. That projects to about 185,000 votes statewide, as compared with about 240,000 votes in the Republican primary in 2008. The drop-off in turnout looks worse for Republicans since a higher fraction of voters - about half this year, compared to 37 percent in 2008 - are independents. That means that turnout among registered Republicans could alone be off by nearly 40 percent from 2008.
I'll see if I can write something interesting for tomorrow. For now though, I wish you all good night!
| 209 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:29:20pm |
| 211 |
zora Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:29:57pm |
re: #193 Talking Point Detective
OT:
Seems like a really nice guy, in a lunatic, extremist "ultraconservative" kind of a way.
i feel sorry for him. he appears to be engulfed in grief and bitterness.
| 213 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:32:17pm |
re: #167 Charles
I love how Ron Paul keeps ranting about "protecting liberty." This is the guy who thinks the Civil Rights Act shouldn't exist.
Ron Paul's a big supporter of liberty, all right. For white people.
Only white people with gold & land.
| 215 |
HAL2010 Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:32:58pm |
Also, one quick point made by Andrew Sullivan:
Paul looks as if he will get more votes than Santorum, Perry and Gingrich combined. But somehow, all three are serious candidates and Ron Paul is RuPaul.
Agreed.
I am actually highly sympathetic to Ron Paul, I must admit. He gets a bad rap that his he doesn't deserve. I'll happily debate it tomorrow (before you down ding me tonight).
Anyway.
Once again, good night!
| 216 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:33:43pm |
So many losers giving victory speeches. I don't remember Ben Roethlisberger bragging about coming in second against Denver.
| 218 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:34:27pm |
| 219 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:34:27pm |
re: #215 HAL2010
Explain the racist newsletter thing.
And that he's fine with state-level tyranny, but hates federal law.
| 220 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:34:28pm |
re: #207 Naso Tang
Not sure I understand. From what "united citizens" (aka corporations, as Mitt would say) will he get it that he wouldn't have previously?
I mean that with corporate monies in without limit as a result of that SCOTUS decision... Despite the overly rapid fire denials 1 billion or so may well be spent by Obama and his supporters. Of course this plays for both sides but I doubt Mitt can raise like that.
| 221 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:34:31pm |
re: #193 Talking Point Detective
OT:
Seems like a really nice guy, in a lunatic, extremist "ultraconservative" kind of a way.
Sad situation. Unlikable person.
| 222 |
lawhawk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:35:11pm |
re: #208 HAL2010
Oh, that isn't even the worst of it for the GOP - they're seriously below the projected turnout, which bodes quite poorly for the GOP going forward. You'll get the conservatives claiming that turnout is down because Mitt isn't doing it for the party, but no one else is doing anything to light a fire under the rank and file GOP either. They're just not that into the GOP message in NH (and we might start seeing this trend down the line in other states, and that's a real bad sign for any attempt to beat Obama in the general).
| 223 |
lawhawk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:36:08pm |
re: #215 HAL2010
That Ron Paul rap is well deserved, but he's no more or less a qualified candidate than the other jokers who have taken turns being the Anyone But Mitt.
| 225 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:36:33pm |
re: #220 Rightwingconspirator
I mean that with corporate monies in without limit as a result of that SCOTUS decision... Despite the overly rapid fire denials 1 billion or so may well be spent by Obama and his supporters. Of course this plays for both sides but I doubt Mitt can raise like that.
Yes, but Obama's contributions have not be largely corporate, then or now, have they?
| 226 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:36:36pm |
| 227 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:36:50pm |
re: #222 lawhawk
Oh, that isn't even the worst of it for the GOP - they're seriously below the projected turnout, which bodes quite poorly for the GOP going forward. You'll get the conservatives claiming that turnout is down because Mitt isn't doing it for the party, but no one else is doing anything to light a fire under the rank and file GOP either. They're just not that into the GOP message in NH (and we might start seeing this trend down the line in other states, and that's a real bad sign for any attempt to beat Obama in the general).
The GOP voters must be scratching their heads. Are they supposed to be fired up by left wing rhetoric from Newt?
| 228 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:37:25pm |
tern limits
no more than 2 seabirds per congressman
| 229 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:37:46pm |
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter
I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me.
| 230 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:37:52pm |
| 231 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:38:37pm |
| 232 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:39:13pm |
@JamesUrbaniak
So the "Ron Paul" song played after his speech is a 2008 composition by one @aimeeallen which rhymes "666" with "implantable chips."
| 233 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:39:24pm |
re: #224 b_sharp
And just what is wrong with unobtainium?
It is the only thing seriously wrong with the movie (aside for some unexplained antigravity). This is what one expects a sly programmer to slip into a video game, not a director of a blockbuster movie.
| 234 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:39:33pm |
i want a date with huntsman's dutch farm girl daughter
| 235 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:39:38pm |
re: #193 Talking Point Detective
OT:
Seems like a really nice guy, in a lunatic, extremist "ultraconservative" kind of a way.
Fucking. Wow.
What a bitter, bitter man.
| 236 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:40:31pm |
re: #193 Talking Point Detective
OT:
Seems like a really nice guy, in a lunatic, extremist "ultraconservative" kind of a way.
Sad, traumatic & sad. Lives ended & destroyed.
Living through rough times & even poverty doesn't compare to living through extreme trauma. :( sad
| 237 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:40:39pm |
re: #233 Naso Tang
It is the only thing seriously wrong with the movie (aside for some unexplained antigravity). This is what one expects a sly programmer to slip into a video game, not a director of a blockbuster movie.
Two words.
Atmospheric ignition.
Movie over.
| 238 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:40:49pm |
re: #235 talon_262
Fucking. Wow.
What a bitter, bitter man.
I'm willing to give him a pass. He lost the love of his life.
| 239 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:41:22pm |
bath time for baby sloths
[Link: cuteoverload.com...]
| 240 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:42:24pm |
re: #238 aagcobb
I'm willing to give him a pass. He lost the love of his life.
I agree. I can only imagine what he has gone through. He is entitled to a little bitterness.
| 241 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:42:35pm |
re: #226 Varek Raith
I have it all.
Well, I want it all. The whole shebang. The whole kit and keboodle.
| 242 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:43:13pm |
This of course doesn't mean Mitt isn't still an arrogant prick.
| 243 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:43:22pm |
re: #238 aagcobb
I'm willing to give him a pass. He lost the love of his life.
and he takes it out on politics and fellow victims? Sympathy can only stretch so far?
| 244 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:43:38pm |
re: #225 Naso Tang
It's Obama and the supporters for the Dem party and those corporations who give to both sides. The Dems support is substantially corporate, just not energy. More typicvally insurance.
| 245 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:44:04pm |
re: #241 b_sharp
Well, I want it all. The whole shebang. The whole kit and keboodle.
You have to be willing to go the whole nine yards, take it to the limit, see this thing through, and reach for the stars.
| 246 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:44:19pm |
re: #243 Naso Tang
and he takes it out on politics and fellow victims? Sympathy can only stretch so far?
He's only hurting himself by clinging to the bitterness.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:44:37pm |
re: #245 darthstar
You have to be willing to go the whole nine yards, take it to the limit, see this thing through, and reach for the stars.
I blew them up.
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:44:59pm |
"take it to the limit"
This may qualify:
Ron Paul! Save our constitutional rights
Ron Paul! We’re not gonna give up the fight
Ron Paul! Start a revolution
and break down illegal institutionsWe don’t want no war no more
bring our boys home to our shores
We don’t want big government
Or the Bilderberg group that pays for itThe Federal Id means a police state
and Mr. Jefferson’s rolling in his grave
when our names turn to numbers like 666
according to the gospel on implantable chips
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darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:45:02pm |
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:45:03pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:45:49pm |
re: #233 Naso Tang
It is the only thing seriously wrong with the movie (aside for some unexplained antigravity). This is what one expects a sly programmer to slip into a video game, not a director of a blockbuster movie.
I had forgotten about Avatar.
This is what I meant:
"May 8, 2006 Urban Word of the Day
An imaginary unavailable material used humourously to solve otherwise impossible problems; ...Of course, it would have to be made of pure unobtainium to work."
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:46:01pm |
re: #222 lawhawk
Oh, that isn't even the worst of it for the GOP - they're seriously below the projected turnout, which bodes quite poorly for the GOP going forward. You'll get the conservatives claiming that turnout is down because Mitt isn't doing it for the party, but no one else is doing anything to light a fire under the rank and file GOP either. They're just not that into the GOP message in NH (and we might start seeing this trend down the line in other states, and that's a real bad sign for any attempt to beat Obama in the general).
If there's anything that's likely to give the GOP cold sweats, it's looking at such poor turnout, then figuring out what fraction of that is just going to decide to sit it out or go third party in November instead of voting for Mitt.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:48:33pm |
re: #238 aagcobb
I'm willing to give him a pass. He lost the love of his life.
I'm not willing to give him dick. Pretty much, he was an "ultraconservative" (his words) douche before all of this happened, him losing his wife put him further down the spiral. He came off as one of those "when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you" types.
I'm sorry for his loss and that he was also injured in the shooting, but his sorry ass can take that attitude of blaming Giffords, Mark Kelly (WTF?), and anyone else he can for what happened except for the person who pulled the trigger.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:49:05pm |
re: #242 darthstar
This of course doesn't mean Mitt isn't still an arrogant prick.
Quite right. A self confident arrogant prick, with a silver spoon up his ass.
It strikes me now that he is playing with the USA the same strategy that he used at Bain Capital. Milk it for what one can.
Reminds me of Pretty Woman, first part.
Anyone think he will find himself in love if he wins?
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:52:11pm |
re: #251 b_sharp
I had forgotten about Avatar.
This is what I meant:
Ahh. Nothing new in the universe. I did a facepalm when I was watching the movie, which I loved in 3D, and thought "what an asshole sentence to slip in here".
Reminds me of the ending to Lost. I did the same. I could have written that sucker.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:52:49pm |
re: #254 Naso Tang
Anyone think he will find himself in love if he wins?
It all depends on if Richard Gere will fuck him or not.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:53:17pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
You know what I noticed? Mitt Romney's a real dick.
As opposed to a fake phallus? A pretend penis? A simulated schlong?
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:53:28pm |
Election related, but not this one.
Apparently, the Governor of Puerto Rico has set the day of October 12 for the first round of plebicite on the Status of the Island. If a second round is needed, it will occur on Election Day.
Considering the history of the Plebicites, and what happened at the last election, there is a good chance this will be the end of the 50-star Flag.
If this happens however, another question: States usually don't come alone. They usually went in pairs, or more. So, who becomes 52?
D.C.?
A Combined Guam & Northern Marianas Islands?
Or someone else?
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:53:34pm |
re: #253 talon_262
I'm not willing to give him dick. Pretty much, he was an "ultraconservative" (his words) douche before all of this happened, him losing his wife put him further down the spiral. He came off as one of those "when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you" types.
I'm sorry for his loss and that he was also injured in the shooting, but his sorry ass can take that attitude of blaming Giffords, Mark Kelly (WTF?), and anyone else he can for what happened except for the person who pulled the trigger.
He'll probably die angry and alone, with no company except the talking heads on Fox News and talk radio. Not a fate I'd wish on anyone.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:53:46pm |
re: #184 jaunte
I Was Kicked Out of a Mitt Romney Event and Arrested Yesterday. I’m Still Trying to Figure Out Why.
/Suspected of disagreement.
From the link:
The holding cell at the Hudson Police Department. (I was allowed to use my own phone to make phone calls, and I snapped these pictures as well.)
Clearly these police have never seen The Dark Knight.
I think with a phone and the comfort of an isolation cell, you could cause a lot more hassle for a campaign event than by being there protesting. If they thought he wanted to cause a "riot", why wouldn't they assume that he'd call in a bomb threat, flash mob shenanigans, etc?
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Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:54:38pm |
Brief intermission while I watch the film Warrior, so this is a quick post.
The Freeper reactions to Mittens winning are both hilarious and entirely predictable. That is all.
OK. Back to the movie.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:54:59pm |
re: #259 ProLifeLiberal
Election related, but not this one.
Apparently, the Governor of Puerto Rico has set the day of October 12 for the first round of plebicite on the Status of the Island. If a second round is needed, it will occur on Election Day.
Considering the history of the Plebicites, and what happened at the last election, there is a good chance this will be the end of the 50-star Flag.
If this happens however, another question: States usually don't come alone. They usually went in pairs, or more. So, who becomes 52?
D.C.?
A Combined Guam & Northern Marianas Islands?
Or someone else?
If it was up to Harper, it would be Canada.
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zora Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:56:05pm |
re: #258 b_sharp
As opposed to a fake phallus? A pretend penis? A simulated schlong?
a plastic pecker?
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:56:09pm |
re: #259 ProLifeLiberal
Election related, but not this one.
Apparently, the Governor of Puerto Rico has set the day of October 12 for the first round of plebicite on the Status of the Island. If a second round is needed, it will occur on Election Day.
Considering the history of the Plebicites, and what happened at the last election, there is a good chance this will be the end of the 50-star Flag.
If this happens however, another question: States usually don't come alone. They usually went in pairs, or more. So, who becomes 52?
D.C.?
A Combined Guam & Northern Marianas Islands?
Or someone else?
I doubt Congress will let Puerto Rico in as a state. I bet most wingnuts don't realize Puerto Ricans are US citizens, and they'll be afraid of a massive invasion by scary brown people.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:56:31pm |
I, for one, would like to congratulate Ron Paul on his strong second place finish...good work, you fucking crazy old geezer.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:57:40pm |
Romney wants to put magic underwear on your guns, America
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:57:58pm |
re: #266 darthstar
I, for one, would like to congratulate Ron Paul on his strong second place finish...good work, you fucking crazy old geezer.
You have to appreciate Ron Paul just for the indigestion he is giving the Right. Their TP champions can't even beat the crazy old libertarian in their own party primaries.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 6:58:27pm |
Populists are morons....
Fed's Lofty Profit Becomes Treasury's Gain
Preliminary unaudited results released by the central bank Tuesday showed the Fed had net income of $78.9 billion in 2011. In 2010, the Fed booked a record $81.7 billion profit and returned $79.3 billion of it to the Treasury.
...
So far the Fed's crisis-lending programs have produced booming profits. The Fed earned $83.6 billion from interest on its holdings of U.S. Treasurys, federal agency debt and securities held by government-run mortgage-finance firms Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the central bank said. Some of its most profitable areas changed in 2011, affecting overall earnings. For example, insurer American International Group Inc., which was bailed out during the crisis in 2008, repaid all its obligations to the New York Fed, meaning the Fed got less interest income from AIG last year compared with 2010.
Put on your pantaloons and dance around the Marxist drum circle!
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:00:53pm |
re: #266 darthstar
I, for one, would like to congratulate Ron Paul on his strong second place finish...good work, you fucking crazy old geezer.
Ron Paul Newsletter @RP_Newsletter
Let me welcome you as a subscriber.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:00:59pm |
Mitt Romney is the Manchurian RINO who will take your guns and bring fisting kits to your child's school!
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:01:13pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:01:22pm |
re: #263 b_sharp
To be a cynical fuck, Canada is more Liberal than we are, so gaining it would permanently wreck the conservatives.
However. I would want each Province to be a state in it's own right. That would do some good in a Senate.
However, if something were to happen like that, I would want a Constitutional re-write. Big-Time.
However, this will not happen. At least for an extremely long time.
re: #265 aagcobb
There would be no reason not to, aside from the ignoramuses. I think it would actually be a Republican state for at least a little while too.
Still, who would take spot #52. Having just one dribble in would be odd, in a historical sense.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:02:00pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:02:11pm |
BTW, on case anyone paid attention to the story of the sniper who punched 9-11 truther dickhead Jesse Ventura: Jesse is now claiming the government has created a body double (with the aid of Richard Pearle and Israel) to discredit Ron Paul and the peace movement.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:02:28pm |
re: #260 aagcobb
He'll probably die angry and alone, with no company except the talking heads on Fox News and talk radio. Not a fate I'd wish on anyone.
Apparently, he's put aside the loss of his wife of 54 years and has been going out with someone for months, per the story; they're supposedly set to marry.
| 279 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:02:47pm |
That Mexican Mitt Romney shouldn't be president! I demand to see his long form birth certificate!
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:03:22pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
BTW, on case anyone paid attention to the story of the sniper who punched 9-11 truther dickhead Jesse Ventura: Jesse is now claiming the government has created a body double (with the aid of Richard Pearle and Israel) to discredit Ron Paul and the peace movement.
Wha? I didn't see anything about Ventura getting punched, but I love it.
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:03:43pm |
"Qualcomm and the X Prize Foundation have laid out a $10 million plan to spur the development of medical diagnosis devices like the ones seen on "Star Trek" science-fiction shows — not by the 23rd century, but by mid-2015."
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zora Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:04:26pm |
re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Satanic underwear
like satanists would wear these?
[Link: www.google.com...]
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:04:32pm |
re: #275 ProLifeLiberal
To be a cynical fuck, Canada is more Liberal than we are, so gaining it would permanently wreck the conservatives.
However. I would want each Province to be a state in it's own right. That would do some good in a Senate.
However, if something were to happen like that, I would want a Constitutional re-write. Big-Time.
However, this will not happen. At least for an extremely long time.
re: #265 aagcobb
There would be no reason not to, aside from the ignoramuses. I think it would actually be a Republican state for at least a little while too.
Still, who would take spot #52. Having just one dribble in would be odd, in a historical sense.
You can bet Congress won't allow it to be D.C.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:05:33pm |
re: #281 jaunte
"Qualcomm and the X Prize Foundation have laid out a $10 million plan to spur the development of medical diagnosis devices like the ones seen on "Star Trek" science-fiction shows — not by the 23rd century, but by mid-2015."
I'd rather have one that vibrates and can be put in my pants.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:05:34pm |
re: #280 talon_262
Wha? I didn't see anything about Ventura getting punched, but I love it.
It's been on Opie & Anthony/Alex Jones. Sadly only covered by Glenn Beck and Fox News.
| 286 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:06:23pm |
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave to hear Newt Gingrich cite him as an icon of Republican economics.
| 287 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:06:54pm |
re: #282 zora
like satanists would wear these?
[Link: www.google.com...]
It gets better and better as one scrolls down.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:07:12pm |
re: #286 Charles
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave to hear Newt Gingrich cite him as an icon of Republican economics.
O RLY?
Newt, you're such a choad.
| 289 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:07:20pm |
KosKIdz still living under the imaginary oppression of the Obama Regime...
DHS to "collect personal information from news anchors, journalists, reporters"(including Bloggers)
Their source is Russia Today.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:08:17pm |
re: #286 Charles
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave to hear Newt Gingrich cite him as an icon of (2012) Republican economics.
As does Reagan.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:09:26pm |
re: #286 Charles
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave to hear Newt Gingrich cite him as an icon of Republican economics.
If Newt really wants to hurt Romney, he'd drop out now and endorse Santorum; that's the only chance of Romney getting beat in S.C.
| 292 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:09:28pm |
i see ded newts
they just doan know they are dedz
| 294 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:09:48pm |
| 295 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:10:07pm |
re: #292 engineer dog
i see ded newts
they just doan know they are dedz
You win the bet; Romney will be the nominee.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:10:29pm |
re: #286 Charles
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave to hear Newt Gingrich cite him as an icon of Republican economics.
Foxconn--one of the world's largest contract manufacturers of electronic components and products for companies like Apple, Dell, HP, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft--has once again come under fire over poor working conditions at one of its Chinese factories
Let's not pretend Apple treats workers fairly.
| 297 |
Big Joe Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:11:16pm |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
KosKIdz still living under the imaginary oppression of the Obama Regime...
DHS to "collect personal information from news anchors, journalists, reporters"(including Bloggers)
Their source is Russia Today.
It's on Drudge too. Both sides are bad, so vote Republican.
the PDF from DHS
| 298 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:11:27pm |
re: #283 aagcobb
If I am correct on my hypothesis that Puerto Rico would be Republican (I have a hunch it will, considering the dominant faction in the hyper-dominant PNP), D.C. will help do the traditional of power.
If this passes, I think the move should be made to try and get the remain reasonably populated territories to statehood. Aside from Puerto Rico, these are the Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas Islands, American Samoa, and Washington D.C.
The Guano Act Islands should be dealt with then too.
| 299 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:11:42pm |
Did Newt get a robot to stand in for his wife or is this just how it always is
| 300 |
ElCapitanAmerica Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:12:21pm |
Quick question; the more conservative Republicans weren't excited for McCain probably causing turnout from the Rep side to be lower.
Will Romney do worse? I have Rep friends that had a deep hatred for McCain, but not sure what a lot of these same people think of Romney.
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:12:50pm |
re: #295 aagcobb
You win the bet; Romney will be the nominee.
:-)
please deposit 40 thousand quatloos (intergalatic) in the celestial bank of glorp thank you
| 302 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:13:30pm |
What is it like to have Republican friends?
| 303 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:13:55pm |
re: #300 ElCapitanAmerica
Quick question; the more conservative Republicans weren't excited for McCain probably causing turnout from the Rep side to be lower.
Will Romney do worse? I have Rep friends that had a deep hatred for McCain, but not sure what a lot of these same people think of Romney.
check out any thread on free republic mentioning mitt
they don't like him
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:14:28pm |
re: #297 mracb
It's on Drudge too. Both sides are bad, so vote Republican.
I'm taking a total shot in the dark here, but I doubt that's what Killgore is implying. Just a wild guess.
| 305 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:15:06pm |
re: #298 ProLifeLiberal
If I am correct on my hypothesis that Puerto Rico would be Republican (I have a hunch it will, considering the dominant faction in the hyper-dominant PNP), D.C. will help do the traditional of power.
If this passes, I think the move should be made to try and get the remain reasonably populated territories to statehood. Aside from Puerto Rico, these are the Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas Islands, American Samoa, and Washington D.C.
The Guano Act Islands should be dealt with then too.
If the vote for statehood in Puerto Rico is close, I would be troubled by making it a state. Puerto Rico had a terrorist group for independence planting bombs at one time, and statehood is forever. Its just a bad idea to have a state in which a large portion of the population wants to be a separate nation.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:15:19pm |
re: #286 Charles
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave to hear Newt Gingrich cite him as an icon of Republican economics.
Well, I guess I could see that. They seem to be big on supporting guys who took credit for the work of others. No offense to Jobs, but Xerox thought up the GUI and mouse, Apple just mass-marketed them.
| 307 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:15:53pm |
re: #300 ElCapitanAmerica
Quick question; the more conservative Republicans weren't excited for McCain probably causing turnout from the Rep side to be lower.
Will Romney do worse? I have Rep friends that had a deep hatred for McCain, but not sure what a lot of these same people think of Romney.
I would assume that the hard core xtian fundamentalists will stay home if he is the nominee.
| 309 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:18:05pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
BTW, on case anyone paid attention to the story of the sniper who punched 9-11 truther dickhead Jesse Ventura: Jesse is now claiming the government has created a body double (with the aid of Richard Pearle and Israel) to discredit Ron Paul and the peace movement.
Oh, good...I was worried Jesse wasn't as crazy as I thought he was.
| 310 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:18:21pm |
re: #306 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
IIRC, Xerox just gave that shit away. Not seeing the potential in it like Jobs/Gates did.
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Big Joe Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:18:23pm |
re: #304 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm taking a total shot in the dark here, but I doubt that's what Killgore is implying. Just a wild guess.
I always forget to put the sarcasm slashies when I post things like that.
| 313 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:19:17pm |
Ron Paul at 25%. I'm laughing at the GOP right now just like they'd be laughing at us Dems if Kucinich came in second.
| 314 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:19:23pm |
re: #299 SpaceJesus
Did Newt get a robot to stand in for his wife or is this just how it always is
Just keep Callista away from the rodent cage...we don't want her freaking out another third-grade class field trip like she did the last time...the screech of animals...the blood...the pellets of skin and bone she coughed up moments later.
| 316 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:20:20pm |
re: #305 aagcobb
The last vote had both independence parties getting a combined less than 5% of the vote. I don't see that as a worry.
It won't be the absolute curbstomp the 2008 Election was though. Where every executive office was won by the PNP, and over 70% of both houses had PNP seats. It would be a race, I don't doubt. That runoff may be needed. Big Time.
Also, noticed this on the page for the 51st State on Wiki. It was sourced:
On Thursday 29th December 2011, David Aaronovitch argued in The Times that the UK should consider joining the USA, as the British population cannot accept union with Europe and the UK would inevitably decline on its own. He argued that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should be four separate states of the USA.[77]
The logistics of this "proposal" are mind-boggling. The NHS? The fact that England one it's own would leapfrog California? The Royal Family? This guy's idea is bizarre at best.
| 317 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:20:24pm |
re: #299 SpaceJesus
Did Newt get a robot to stand in for his wife or is this just how it always is
There are many copies, and they have a plan.
| 318 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:20:43pm |
re: #311 mracb
I always forget to put the sarcasm slashies when I post things like that.
No prob. Just one lovely comedic flow. If I can think of something, I'll set you up to nail the punchline of a dick joke.
| 319 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:20:48pm |
re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth
IIRC, Xerox just gave that shit away. Not seeing the potential in it like Jobs/Gates did.
Yeah, they'd been burned once, decided that it was a pursuit best not take. Besides, the monitors were just...well...weird.
| 320 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:22:35pm |
"Good artists copy. Great artists steal."
Steve Jobs, quoting Picasso
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:22:39pm |
re: #319 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, they'd been burned once, decided that it was a pursuit best not take. Besides, the monitors were just...well...weird.
What's wrong with vector graphics?
| 322 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:23:36pm |
re: #312 Gus 802
This also just in...
Pat Buchanan apparently thinks the majority of Americans are still cool with racism and/or racists.
| 323 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:23:38pm |
re: #259 ProLifeLiberal
Election related, but not this one.
Apparently, the Governor of Puerto Rico has set the day of October 12 for the first round of plebicite on the Status of the Island. If a second round is needed, it will occur on Election Day.
Considering the history of the Plebicites, and what happened at the last election, there is a good chance this will be the end of the 50-star Flag.
If this happens however, another question: States usually don't come alone. They usually went in pairs, or more. So, who becomes 52?
D.C.?
A Combined Guam & Northern Marianas Islands?
Or someone else?
Da Up'er's split off and become Northern Michigan?
| 324 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:23:53pm |
Supposed to be a horrible turnout tonight. Lower than 2008. Much lower.
| 325 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:24:30pm |
re: #324 Gus 802
Supposed to be a horrible turnout tonight. Lower than 2008. Much lower.
It's the narrative, and not the facts, that matters most.
| 326 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:24:46pm |
re: #321 b_sharp
What's wrong with vector graphics?
Not vector graphics, a monitor that was shaped like a bread loaf stood on its end.
| 327 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:25:01pm |
re: #323 wlewisiii
Da Up'er's split off and become Northern Michigan?
California would be good splitting.
The different parts of the state have different needs.
| 328 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:25:28pm |
Has anybody ever seen a die-hard Mitt Romney fan?
| 330 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:26:11pm |
| 331 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:26:23pm |
| 332 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:26:28pm |
re: #328 SpaceJesus
Has anybody ever seen a die-hard Mitt Romney fan?
I don't make enough to run in those circles...
| 333 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:26:45pm |
re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not vector graphics, a monitor that was shaped like a bread loaf stood on its end.
Gotcha.
The monitors I saw from Palo Alto were vector, but I didn't note their shape.
| 334 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:27:04pm |
The Ron Paul Freedom Report (not written by Ron Paul)
The Ron Paul Political Report (not written by Ron Paul)
The Ron Paul Investment Letter (not written by Ron Paul, unless you did well)
The Ron Paul Strategy Guide (not written by Ron Paul)
The Ron Paul Survival Report (not written by Ron Paul)
[Link: rpnewsletter.wordpress.com...]
Not brought to you by the #2 candidate for the GOP nomination.
| 335 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:27:38pm |
| 336 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:27:56pm |
re: #327 EmmmieG
California would be good splitting.
The different parts of the state have different needs.
You could get three states out of it easily. East & West Oregon too.
| 337 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:28:16pm |
re: #334 jaunte
Not brought to you by the #2 candidate for the GOP nomination.
Jumped the shark and nuked the fridge, GOP voters have.
| 338 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:28:39pm |
re: #336 wlewisiii
You could get three states out of it easily. East & West Oregon too.
Wait, there are people living in eastern Oregon...???
| 339 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:28:40pm |
re: #328 SpaceJesus
Has anybody ever seen a die-hard Mitt Romney fan?
Here you go, a picture of a die-cast fan.
| 340 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:29:00pm |
David Frum:
It's sad and squalid that Ron Paul finished ahead of Jon Huntsman. Gov. Huntsman has the elements of a president; Ron Paul is not even a fanatic. He's a bunco artist.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:29:04pm |
Texas should be divided into 20 states, then sold to corporations like Bain
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:29:16pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:30:03pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:30:42pm |
re: #343 JasonA
It's like an iPad with a computer attached to it!!
Huh, never really thought it of it that way...still looks weird.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:30:42pm |
re: #336 wlewisiii
Ever hear of the Jefferson State proposal? If California started spinning apart, that might percolate back up.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:31:01pm |
re: #39 Varek Raith
My bad...
Varek's idea of an "antique shore" gun is a salvaged turbolaser mount from the Clone Wars.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:31:40pm |
re: #316 ProLifeLiberal
The last vote had both independence parties getting a combined less than 5% of the vote. I don't see that as a worry.
It won't be the absolute curbstomp the 2008 Election was though. Where every executive office was won by the PNP, and over 70% of both houses had PNP seats. It would be a race, I don't doubt. That runoff may be needed. Big Time.
Also, noticed this on the page for the 51st State on Wiki. It was sourced:
The logistics of this "proposal" are mind-boggling. The NHS? The fact that England one it's own would leapfrog California? The Royal Family? This guy's idea is bizarre at best.
That would be cool with me; my mother moved here from England before she had me, and I have a sister and niece in Wales. Not that its ever going to happen.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:32:31pm |
Oh, noes! Sharia overtakes Oklahoma!
Appeals court affirms order blocking Oklahoma sharia law ban
A federal appeals court upholds a 2010 ruling preventing the implementation of an Oklahoma constitutional amendment that would bar judges from considering international or Islamic law in decisions.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:32:55pm |
re: #318 Slumbering Behemoth
No prob. Just one lovely comedic flow. If I can think of something, I'll set you up to nail the punchline of a dick joke.
How about the fact that Dick Perry is fourth on the ballot in the Az Primary, and Rick Perry is 17th?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33:10pm |
re: #348 aagcobb
There would be the trifling problem of a king and aristocracy.
Can't see them relishing becoming commoners.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33:51pm |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Let's not pretend Apple treats workers fairly.
If you compare Apple's record to almost every other company that does business with China, you'll find that they're one of the most responsible. The article you posted is about Microsoft.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33:58pm |
re: #346 Dark_Falcon
Varek's idea of an "antique shore" gun is a salvaged turbolaser mount from the Clone Wars.
Of course, he still couldn't hit anything.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:34:17pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:34:42pm |
re: #349 Killgore Trout
The appellate court opinion pointed out that proponents of the law admitted to not knowing of a single instance in which an Oklahoma court applied sharia law or the legal precepts of other countries.
Taquito!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:34:45pm |
re: #350 aagcobb
How about the fact that Dick Perry is fourth on the ballot in the Az Primary, and Rick Perry is 17th?
Rick the Dick. How are they gonna sort that out?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:34:53pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:35:14pm |
re: #352 Charles
If you compare Apple's record to almost every other company that does business with China, you'll find that they're one of the most responsible. The article you posted is about Microsoft.
None of them treat workers fairly. That doesn't excuse Apple, or MS.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:35:47pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:36:12pm |
re: #352 Charles
If you compare Apple's record to almost every other company that does business with China, you'll find that they're one of the most responsible. The article you posted is about Microsoft.
Foxconn makes iPads and iPhones too. This is really their issue, not Apple's or Microsoft's.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:36:38pm |
re: #352 Charles
The article you posted is about Microsoft.
Then why does the article mention that they're making Apple products?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:36:45pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:37:49pm |
All of those jobs should be in America. Shame on Apple and Microsoft for sending our jobs to our red enemy.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:38:06pm |
From wiki:
Foxconn manufactures consumer electronics for a number of well-known companies, including:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)[23]
In 2011, Amazon and Foxconn formed a joint-design manufacturing company. The move was meant to produce an Amazon branded smartphone sometime in 2012.[24]
Apple Inc. (United States)[25]
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[26]
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)[25]
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[27]
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:38:35pm |
re: #358 b_sharp
None of them treat workers fairly. That doesn't excuse Apple, or MS.
No -- it's China that isn't treating workers fairly. Yes, American companies deserve some blame for taking advantage of the existing reality, but they didn't create this situation.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:38:45pm |
re: #359 ProLifeLiberal
The reforms and changes that would be needed on both sides would result in a trainwreck that looks a lot like this.
re: #351 EmmmieG
That's the big problem. The whole structure of the US would have to be reformed/goofed up accommodate the UK.
Why accommodate? Just invade and assimilate.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:39:03pm |
re: #352 Charles
That doesn't touch on Steve Jobs though, who sounds a great deal like my father.
Not to mention the personal reasons for not buying Apple (I've had to deal with alot of hipster snobs gushing about their Apples. They are insufferable. Out of resistance to it/spite, I don't buy Apple).
Also, Apple does bupkis for charity and philanthropy. "Connecting people" is no excuse.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:39:08pm |
re: #352 Charles
If you compare Apple's record to almost every other company that does business with China, you'll find that they're one of the most responsible. The article you posted is about Microsoft.
Foxconn subcontracts for just about every major American electronics company; their track record in regards to how they treat their labor force makes a slave galley seem like a pleasant place to work.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:39:39pm |
re: #358 b_sharp
As I am in the middle of a DIY fix for my X360, I am hating MS right now. Perhaps if Apple sold a gaming console that would take a crap on me...
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:40:25pm |
...The three-decade expansion from television-knob maker to the world’s dominant consumer-electronics manufacturer passed with little notice from the Western press.
That changed in June 2006 when the London Daily Mail published a story about harsh conditions for 30,000 workers at Foxconn’s iPod factory in Longhua. When two reporters at China Business News did their own version of the story, Gou’s first reaction was to counterattack. Foxconn sued them personally for libel and secured a court order freezing their assets, backing off only at the behest of Apple and HP.
Apple InvestigationThe incident prompted Apple executives to dispatch an audit team to investigate conditions at the Longhua plant. The report, still available on Apple’s company website, uncovered several violations of Apple’s code of conduct, including excessive overtime, an overly complicated wage structure and unacceptable living conditions such as triple-decker bunk beds. Foxconn made changes that included an overhaul of its overtime practices.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:40:38pm |
I'm a proud owner of Windows 7 Professional OS.
I can confidently say though that Microsoft sucks!
Great OS though. Haven't had one problem at all.
;)
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:40:39pm |
re: #363 SpaceJesus
All of those jobs should be in America. Shame on Apple and Microsoft for sending our jobs to our red enemy.
Be sure to let them know that everyone in the US is willing to start paying 4x as much for their toys without a pay raise... ////
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:40:43pm |
IBM (United States)
poor ibm
how the mighty big blue has fallen
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:42:10pm |
Foxconn is also allegedly quite fond of torture:
Worker commits suicide after 4G iPhone prototype goes missing
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:43:06pm |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Then why does the article mention that they're making Apple products?
Quote: "WantChina Times and Gameplanet reporting some 300 Foxconn employees working on Microsoft's Xbox 360 manufacturing line threatened suicide."
The employees working on Microsoft products are the focus of that article.
Apple is taking advantage of China's primitive working conditions, yes. But they're doing so because Americans want these products at these prices. At least they're trying to be as responsible as possible under these conditions -- there are many US companies with worse records than Apple's.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:43:49pm |
re: #351 EmmmieG
There would be the trifling problem of a king and aristocracy.
Can't see them relishing becoming commoners.
They would just be celebrity rich people; like the Kardashians. William and Kate could get a reality show.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:44:06pm |
re: #365 Charles
No -- it's China that isn't treating workers fairly. Yes, American companies deserve some blame for taking advantage of the existing reality, but they didn't create this situation.
They're paying the wages, they could demand better conditions. They don't because the main consumers, the US, Europe and Canada, demand low cost goods and using and abusing workers in China and other emerging countries is the easiest way to provide low cost and still make a bundle.
Those companies are morally responsible for work conditions.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:44:16pm |
re: #375 Charles
But they're doing to because Americans want these products at these prices.
And that right there is at the heart of the issue.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:45:03pm |
re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth
As I am in the middle of a DIY fix for my X360, I am hating MS right now. Perhaps if Apple sold a gaming console that would take a crap on me...
Whatchadoing?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:45:32pm |
re: #377 b_sharp
Actually, it's the consumers demanding -- and buying -- the products at low prices who are ultimately responsible.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:46:30pm |
re: #375 Charles
Quote: "WantChina Times and Gameplanet reporting some 300 Foxconn employees working on Microsoft's Xbox 360 manufacturing line threatened suicide."
The employees working on Microsoft products are the focus of that article.
Apple is taking advantage of China's primitive working conditions, yes. But they're doing so because Americans want these products at these prices. At least they're trying to be as responsible as possible under these conditions -- there are many US companies with worse records than Apple's.
And because Americans can basically only afford those products at those prices. It's also a matter of wage disparity. If those products weren't made in China then these companies would go out of business. The only way to balance that would be for American workers to make more.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:46:56pm |
re: #381 Charles
Actually, it's the consumers demanding -- and buying -- the products at low prices who are ultimately responsible.
Pretty much. We demand cheap, plentiful products, and not a lot of questions about the people responsible.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:46:59pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:47:05pm |
re: #371 Gus 802
I'm a proud owner of Windows 7 Professional OS.
I can confidently say though that Microsoft sucks!
Great OS though. Haven't had one problem at all.
;)
I've used Win7 Pro since it came out. It's much better than Vista.
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Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:47:10pm |
re: #372 wlewisiii
I read an article a while back that said Jobs talked to Obama about building factories in the US, and he complained about how there weren't enough qualified engineers to run them. I'm sure wage expenses play a huge role, but there was also a part about having the right people.
Anyway, Foxconn is set to automate most of their processes sometime in the near future. I think that would be the humane approach to this situation.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:47:12pm |
re: #372 wlewisiii
think of how many more apple products will be sold due to disposable income once we give college students free education
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:47:38pm |
re: #375 Charles
And yet, Apple computers are expensive as all hell, along with their IPhone.
So, we get stuff that is overpriced compared to the competitors. Apple is a status symbol, nothing more.
Many of my friends have had their Macbooks(?) die, or malunction and be unable to repair it. I was able to easily replace a very slowly dying hard-drive, and Firefox produced this 3.7 year old Vista's only BSOD.
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:47:39pm |
re: #382 b_sharp
This was interesting. Foxconn has a Houston factory:
The company currently employs about 1,000 workers in a Houston plant that makes specialized high-end servers for corporate clients the company declined to disclose, and Gou envisions a fully automated plant to produce components within five years.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:48:11pm |
re: #372 wlewisiii
Be sure to let them know that everyone in the US is willing to start paying 4x as much for their toys without a pay raise... ///
Or the companies could take a smaller profit and consumers only pay 2x as much.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:48:53pm |
re: #381 Charles
Actually, it's the consumers demanding -- and buying -- the products at low prices who are ultimately responsible.
It's the corporate CEOs and shareholders that are ultimately responsible.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:49:06pm |
re: #391 b_sharp
Or the companies could take a smaller profit and consumers only pay 2x as much.
Or wages could go up or something like that....
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:49:29pm |
re: #391 b_sharp
Or the companies could take a smaller profit and consumers only pay 2x as much.
There's a start. How about paying people more and not having these fat cats make so much.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:49:37pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:50:19pm |
re: #380 b_sharp
Whatchadoing?
I got an "E 74" error. From what I've gathered on the net, it could either be the AVS chip that's a problem, which it doesn't seem to be, or the x-clamps flexing the motherboard and causing the solder joints to disconnect when the system heats up enough to soften the solder.
I'm going with the x-clamp fix for now. If that doesn't work, I'll consult my neighbor's son. He knows some dudes who refurb consoles.
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Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:50:32pm |
Here's the article about Jobs complaining about the lack of engineers for US factories. Take it as you will. [Link: www.automationworld.com...]
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:50:32pm |
re: #379 Gus 802
I've got a cruelty free Intel i5 2500K CPU.
//
How is that sucker running? Do you have it OCed to 4GHz yet?
| 399 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:50:33pm |
re: #329 SpaceJesus
besides his children
They all get up there on stage with him like a bunch of Romney clones bopping around.
| 400 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:50:35pm |
re: #389 ProLifeLiberal
And yet, Apple computers are expensive as all hell, along with their IPhone.
So, we get stuff that is overpriced compared to the competitors. Apple is a status symbol, nothing more.
I have no interest in getting into an argument about computer platforms, but I have to say that my experience with Apple products (over the course of about 30 years now) versus every other computer manufacturer's products is exactly the opposite of yours. Apple has a reputation for quality products because their quality is simply better than everyone else's.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:50:42pm |
re: #394 Gus 802
There's a start. How about paying people more and not having these fat cats make so much.
Damn Gus, don't go sounding like Newt Gingrich now...
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:51:16pm |
re: #401 JasonA
Damn Gus, don't go sounding like Newt Gingrich now...
It's all getting very confusing. And Rick Perry sounds like Occupy Wall Street.
//
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:51:22pm |
re: #381 Charles
Actually, it's the consumers demanding -- and buying -- the products at low prices who are ultimately responsible.
Yup, here's the rub. Mortgages we can't afford, buying shit on credit, maximum consumption and if some workers on the other side of the planet commit mass suicide we don't mind. This is what we've become.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:52:09pm |
re: #389 ProLifeLiberal
And yet, Apple computers are expensive as all hell, along with their IPhone.
So, we get stuff that is overpriced compared to the competitors. Apple is a status symbol, nothing more.
Many of my friends have had their Macbooks(?) die, or malunction and be unable to repair it. I was able to easily replace a very slowly dying hard-drive, and Firefox produced this 3.7 year old Vista's only BSOD.
I repair Apple products regularly. My Macbook is easier to repair than the Dells & Toshiba's I've used. Only Thinkpads used to be easier to repair but that hasn't been true for awhile.
And I have 22 year old Mac SE/30 that has been recapped and moded and is as good as ever.
Don't blame Apple if the user isn't willing to do what can be done.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:52:13pm |
re: #400 Charles
I have no interest in getting into an argument about computer platforms, but I have to say that my experience with Apple products (over the course of about 30 years now) versus every other computer manufacturer's products is exactly the opposite of yours. Apple has a reputation for quality products because their quality is simply better than everyone else's.
Jumping feet-first into a flame fest, but Charles is, in a general sense, correct. When Apple products go wrong, they are usually far more frustrating, because they are essentially black boxes; but when you look at failure rates over volume, Apple wins pretty much hands-down. Not to mention their rate of hardware-related software failures is much less.
| 407 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:52:20pm |
re: #381 Charles
Actually, it's the consumers demanding -- and buying -- the products at low prices who are ultimately responsible.
Only in as much as the sheep are responsible for what the farmer feeds them.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:53:14pm |
re: #391 b_sharp
Or the companies could take a smaller profit and consumers only pay 2x as much.
LOL! Funny one! Now seriously, folks. ... ////
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:53:24pm |
Would this be a good time to rail against free trade for making this situation far worse?
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:53:46pm |
re: #400 Charles
My experience is the exact opposite. As stated earlier, one by one, most of my friends with Apple have had their computer junk out. Meanwhile, my own computer does decently, considering it will be 4 years old in about 2-3 months.
It can even manage to play Fallout and Empire:Total War. More than a few of my friends at OU have said this things shouldn't be able to do squat with Fallout.
re: #405 wlewisiii
Don't know, it was been a cinch to deal with the Hard Drive.
| 411 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:53:55pm |
re: #391 b_sharp
Or the companies could take a smaller profit and consumers only pay 2x as much.
how do i do it???
volume, volume, volume!!!
| 412 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:54:26pm |
i wonder how many chinese workers have committed suicide at the Newt Gingrich's wife factory
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:55:00pm |
re: #407 b_sharp
Only in as much as the sheep are responsible for what the farmer feeds them.
Hey! I still run WinXP, still play games from the '90s, and I am trying to fix my gawt-damned XBox.
I'd eat what the farmer is feeding the sheep, but I can't even afford that. :[
/
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:55:23pm |
re: #390 jaunte
This was interesting. Foxconn has a Houston factory:
Corps would not buy critical services servers made in China.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:55:50pm |
re: #412 SpaceJesus
i wonder how many chinese workers have committed suicide at the Newt Gingrich's wife factory
None, it's completely automated. Machines building machines.
/
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:56:14pm |
re: #393 JasonA
Or wages could go up or something like that...
That would be part of the lower profits wouldn't it?
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zora Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:56:30pm |
re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Satanic underwear
like satanists would wear these?
[Link: www.google.com...]re: #312 Gus 802
This just in...
Pat Buchanan: 'Militant Gay Rights Groups' And Van Jones Are Behind My MSNBC Controversy (AUDIO)
he better be careful, i hear that the militant gays carry glitter.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:56:48pm |
re: #409 JasonA
Would this be a good time to rail against free trade for making this situation far worse?
The upside is that free trade builds bridges (metaphorical bridges), and creates allies.
| 419 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:57:23pm |
re: #415 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
None, it's completely automated. Machines building machines.
/
Sounds like Skynet to me...RUUUNNN!!!
/come with me if you want to live
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:57:36pm |
re: #377 b_sharp
Those companies are morally responsible for work conditions.
I agree, though in a country where there are more poor (really dirt poor) people than the entire population of the US the ready supply of cheap labor cannot be exhausted by any one company, or even group of companies. So if it isn't American companies, then entities whose legal creation are in other countries will just step in and take over that industry/business.
The dramatic gap between the average American lifestyle (of the post WWII era) and the average daily life in most other nations inevitably was going to lead to industry moving to where there was cheaper labor. The only way to have stopped it would have been to outlaw it and use tariffs or outright import bans and that was deemed unworkable or undesirable.
| 421 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:57:42pm |
re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth
This spring, Brazil is learning that it's best not to use fungicides that the EPA has banned.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:58:31pm |
Simple biology tells you that in order for you to live other organisms must die. Our mere existence require cruelty on a certain level. Which of course isn't an excuse for unsafe working conditions. But I'm sure my Payless shoes and ASUS motherboard weren't constructed in the most ideal or utopian conditions. Sorry but if I had to wait to be able to buy a Porsche I wouldn't own a car. My life isn't a piece of cake either and I'm not going to drive myself into some guilt trip about everything that happens in this world.
| 424 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:58:55pm |
re: #404 Gus 802
Oh please. Let's blame the consumer. Not this again.
I'm not blaming consumers, I'm simply stating a fact. If consumers refused to buy products built in China and demanded better conditions for workers, this wouldn't be an issue. The fact is that American consumers simply don't think about these issues before laying down their credit cards.
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zora Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:58:59pm |
re: #315 Gus 802
In other news...
“There’s a difference between venture capitalism and vulture capitalism,” Perry replied, refining a line he’d used earlier on the trail.
i wonder how long he had to practice that in the mirror?
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:59:39pm |
re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth
I got an "E 74" error. From what I've gathered on the net, it could either be the AVS chip that's a problem, which it doesn't seem to be, or the x-clamps flexing the motherboard and causing the solder joints to disconnect when the system heats up enough to soften the solder.
I'm going with the x-clamp fix for now. If that doesn't work, I'll consult my neighbor's son. He knows some dudes who refurb consoles.
Flex is a problem with all mobos. I've had bad cases lead to cracked solder joints that I've had to touch with an iron.
| 427 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:59:42pm |
re: #422 ProLifeLiberal
Some OJ tested positive for fungicide residue, so juice and fruit imports from Brazil have been stopped.
| 428 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:59:47pm |
The great thing about acetone is that it evaporates quickly without leaving any residue. The bad thing about acetone is that it evaporates quickly.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:00:06pm |
re: #424 Charles
I'm not blaming consumers, I'm simply stating a fact. If consumers refused to buy products built in China and demanded better conditions for workers, this woulnd't be an issue. The fact is that American consumers simply don't think about these issues before laying down their credit cards.
OK then. I won't refuse to buy those products. I can't afford not to buy them.
| 430 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:00:55pm |
re: #421 jaunte
This spring, Brazil is learning that it's best not to use fungicides that the EPA has banned.
Yep, the cost of OJ is already climbing like a rocket.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:01:06pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:01:27pm |
re: #431 ProLifeLiberal
Reuters:
[Link: uk.reuters.com...]
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:01:36pm |
Then all of those people that work at those factories won't get a paycheck. They won't be able to feed and house their families or pay their rent.
| 435 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:02:01pm |
re: #424 Charles
I'm not blaming consumers, I'm simply stating a fact. If consumers refused to buy products built in China and demanded better conditions for workers, this woulnd't be an issue. The fact is that American consumers simply don't think about these issues before laying down their credit cards.
It's really hard to find consumer electronics that fit those criteria, though. Especially when you take into account that individual parts are often manufactured in other places before the final product is assembled.
| 436 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:02:02pm |
re: #423 Gus 802
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palomino Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:02:22pm |
I don't see this as a commanding victory, given the fact that: (a) NH is practically Romney's home state, and apparently the state where he had the highest favorable rating in the whole country; and (b) the relatively weak field he's running against. The only other candidate who's not deeply flawed is Huntsman, who had Perry type numbers until a couple weeks ago.
Having said that, it will all be over if Romney can win by big margins in SC and FL. And Republicans would vote for a ham sandwich if it was running against Obama. But there doesn't seem to be the kind of intraparty enthusiasm for Romney that there was for Bush in 2000; or for any of the top candidates (Obama, Hillary, even McCain) in 2008. Mitt's had 5 years to get the gop to love him; it hasn't happened, so he'll have to settle for being tolerated and hopefully eeking out a close win in the general.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:02:40pm |
re: #425 zora
i wonder how long he had to practice that in the mirror?
If there had been a third word to remember after "venture" and "vulture", he couldn't have pulled it off. But seriously, when are Perry and Gingrich going to drop out of the GOP race and challenge Obama for the democratic nomination? They are running to his left right now.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:02:48pm |
re: #436 Slumbering Behemoth
So far today I've killed a cheese and some wheat!
//Trying to think what meat I had.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:02:58pm |
re: #400 Charles
I have no interest in getting into an argument about computer platforms, but I have to say that my experience with Apple products (over the course of about 30 years now) versus every other computer manufacturer's products is exactly the opposite of yours. Apple has a reputation for quality products because their quality is simply better than everyone else's.
Their systems are more controlled. Any company can manufacture PC parts and code PC software. Apple realized that freedom would cause problems with poor hardware and software so they tightly control what goes in to their systems.
Their quality does end up being higher than that in PCs, no question.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:03:25pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:03:43pm |
re: #431 ProLifeLiberal
Here's the exciting part:
While fruit and vegetable imports into the United States have grown to almost half of the U.S. food supply, FDA has said.
But, Lovera and other consumer groups claim that FDA's staff of inspectors has shrunk, meaning the agency often only has enough time to test about 2 percent of products.
"We don't have a comprehensive system when it comes to imports. It's often reactive, it's not proactive," Lovera said. "We're kind of in the dark about what's happening."
"Regulations are killing business!"
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:04:00pm |
re: #437 palomino
Mitt's had 5 years to get the gop to love him; it hasn't happened, ...
Few people love tofu.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:04:09pm |
re: #439 Gus 802
Just an hour ago I killed beans, pineapple, and ham. And whatever else goes into pasta.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:04:44pm |
re: #440 b_sharp
That's the trade off. I prefer the Apple model at home.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:04:51pm |
It's all made in the same factory. Always been that way. Or at least in the same neighborhood. And heck, we're all using that stuff this very instant. I don't want to turn into some anti-Apple nut either. I'm happy with my PC machine. Whatever floats your boat. It's not the machine it's what you create with it.
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palomino Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:05:44pm |
re: #443 freetoken
Few people love tofu.
Agreed...a cook has to work very hard to make tofu tasty.
But I don't even see Romney as tofu--it's too exotic and hipster. He's more like a slice of wonder bread.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:05:47pm |
re: #446 Gus 802
It's all made in the same factory. Always been that way. Or at least in the same neighborhood. And heck, we're all using that stuff this very instant. I don't want to turn into some anti-Apple nut either. I'm happy with my PC machine. Whatever floats your boat. It's not the machine it's what you create with it.
Damn, no GPU flamewar then...
:(
/
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:05:51pm |
Tofu has no flavor. It is flavored by the sauce in which it gets immersed.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:05:52pm |
re: #429 Gus 802
Same here.
I'm going be building a computer after Graduation. Preferably something that won't be obsolete in 3-5 years. My mission: Keep it under the cost of an Apple Desktop
Considering the introductory price is $2500, this won't be hard. In fact, me trying to hit that number would be a challenge.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:06:13pm |
re: #442 jaunte
Here's the exciting part:
"Regulations are killing business!"
Which proves that the FDA is useless! We give them all this money and still, they can't protect us from such simple mistakes! I say we get rid of them and let the states handle it. If bad fruit or veggies get through, we sue the company responsible!
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:06:52pm |
re: #451 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Then we'll pass tort 'reform' to fix that!
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:07:00pm |
re: #405 wlewisiii
I repair Apple products regularly. My Macbook is easier to repair than the Dells & Toshiba's I've used. Only Thinkpads used to be easier to repair but that hasn't been true for awhile.
And I have 22 year old Mac SE/30 that has been recapped and moded and is as good as ever.
Don't blame Apple if the user isn't willing to do what can be done.
My best friend has been a qualified Apple tech for 15 years, and I've fixed PCs professionally for the same time period. I can pop in a new CPU, HDD or any other part in the time it takes him to take the Apple case apart.
BTW, Dell systems suck big time.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:07:14pm |
re: #435 JasonA
It's really hard to find consumer electronics that fit those criteria, though. Especially when you take into account that individual parts are often manufactured in other places before the final product is assembled.
Exactly. It's simplistic to blame everything on the companies who make products in China. And if you look into Apple's business practices, it's just not correct to say they're exploiting workers with no concern for their well-being; they're trying to make things better, far more than most other companies who exploit Chinese labor.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:08:11pm |
re: #450 ProLifeLiberal
if you look for deals on certain parts on tigerdirect or newegg, you could build a machine that can outclass that for around a grand probably.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:08:18pm |
re: #389 ProLifeLiberal
And yet, Apple computers are expensive as all hell, along with their IPhone.
So, we get stuff that is overpriced compared to the competitors. Apple is a status symbol, nothing more.
Many of my friends have had their Macbooks(?) die, or malunction and be unable to repair it. I was able to easily replace a very slowly dying hard-drive, and Firefox produced this 3.7 year old Vista's only BSOD.
You know how I can tell you've never worked in the creative department of a large advertising agency?
These companies depend on their creatives being able to stay late, which requires uninterrupted up time for the equipment creatives use. They can't be calling IT in at 2 in the morning while cramming for a new business bid because some freelancer or client supplied file exposed them to the latest worm or windows exploit. Apple products dominate production studios because they work, with a reliability PC's running Microsoft simply can't match.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:08:18pm |
re: #446 Gus 802
It's not the machine it's what you create with it.
I'm going to hell. Unless there's a heaven for people who use machines mostly to make dick jokes.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:08:23pm |
re: #450 ProLifeLiberal
Same here.
I'm going be building a computer after Graduation. Preferably something that won't be obsolete in 3-5 years. My mission: Keep it under the cost of an Apple Desktop
Considering the introductory price is $2500, this won't be hard. In fact, me trying to hit that number would be a challenge.
You can throw in a high-end mobo, cpu, and graphics card and still probably have enough left over for a 24" monitor.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:08:25pm |
re: #452 Varek Raith
Then we'll pass tort 'reform' to fix that!
And when that leaves people without food, we blame government regulations for make the problem in the first place and call for further deregulation!
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:08:36pm |
re: #448 Varek Raith
Damn, no GPU flamewar then...
:(
/
Fanboys! Heh. I can upgrade mine later. Right now I have an EVGA 450-GTS. 1GB. The i5 is overclockable but I won't do that. Also have 16GB of RAM. On the P8P67 Deluxe MOBO. 2 SSDs. and one HDD.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:09:00pm |
re: #454 Charles
Exactly. It's simplistic to blame everything on the companies who make products in China. And if you look into Apple's business practices, it's just not correct to say they're exploiting workers with no concern for their well-being; they're trying to make things better, far more than most other companies who exploit Chinese labor.
It is ironic that the apogee of capitalist exploitation of laborers has been achieved in a nominally Marxist state.
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:09:20pm |
re: #432 Varek Raith
Down with Macs,
Up with Tandy!/Whut?
i wanna drive a studebaker and program on a univac
anybody got a raleigh cigarette?
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:09:42pm |
re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth
The upside is that free trade builds bridges (metaphorical bridges), and creates allies.
Absolutely, Canada and the US had a horrible relationship before FT.///
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:10:00pm |
OK then. We should have an art contest. Graphics. Apple vs. Microsoft.
I'm game.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:10:03pm |
re: #460 Gus 802
Fanboys! Heh. I can upgrade mine later. Right now I have an EVGA 450-GTS. 1GB. The i5 is overclockable but I won't do that. Also have 16GB of RAM. On the P8P67 Deluxe MOBO. 2 SSDs. and one HDD.
I used to overclock.
Now?
What's the point?
My quadcore is hardly ever taxed enough to warrant it.
Same with GPU.
And RAM? Heh, 8GB trumps screwing around with timings.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:10:32pm |
re: #464 Gus 802
OK then. We should have an art contest. Graphics. Apple vs. Microsoft.
I'm game.
I will pwn you all in MSPaint.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:10:56pm |
re: #456 goddamnedfrank
Again though, my experiences at OU show this to simply not be true. Apples had died left and right, and yet, this supposedly unreliable Laptop is still chugging along, even being forced to play Fallout 3. By all accounts, my little computer shouldn't be able to.
Dealing with Apple's fans at OU have come to make me hate Apple.
| 468 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:11:29pm |
In 2006, the Mail on Sunday alleged that sweatshop conditions existed in factories in China, where the contract manufacturers, Foxconn and Inventec, operate the factories that produce the iPod.[46] The article stated that one iPod factory, for instance, had over 200,000 workers that lived and worked in the factory, with workers regularly doing more than 60 hours of labour per week. The article also reported that workers made around $100 per month and were required to live on the premises and pay for rent and food from the company. Living expenses (required to keep the job) generally took up a little over half of the worker's earnings. The article also said that workers were given buckets to wash their clothes.[47][48][49]
Immediately after the allegations, Apple launched an investigation and worked with their manufacturers to ensure that conditions were acceptable to Apple.[50] In 2007, Apple started yearly audits of all its suppliers regarding Worker's Rights, slowly raising standards and pruning suppliers that did not comply.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:11:29pm |
re: #423 Gus 802
Simple biology tells you that in order for you to live other organisms must die. Our mere existence require cruelty on a certain level. Which of course isn't an excuse for unsafe working conditions. But I'm sure my Payless shoes and ASUS motherboard weren't constructed in the most ideal or utopian conditions. Sorry but if I had to wait to be able to buy a Porsche I wouldn't own a car. My life isn't a piece of cake either and I'm not going to drive myself into some guilt trip about everything that happens in this world.
I'd be happy to give you a ride.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:11:50pm |
re: #440 b_sharp
Their systems are more controlled. Any company can manufacture PC parts and code PC software. Apple realized that freedom would cause problems with poor hardware and software so they tightly control what goes in to their systems.
Their quality does end up being higher than that in PCs, no question.
higher quality, tighter OS controls, but also less versatility, more expensive
The software I rely on every day for my biz is PC only, and I certainly can't afford to buy half a dozen apple laptops to be beater tracking/recording machines for my music noodlings. but I can buy a couple of $100 Lenovo refurbs running XP, and I'm gold!
BMW 3-series versus dodge trucks, is the 3-series a higher quality car? Sure! Can I buy one for pennies and fix it myself? hell no! I ain't paying the apple tax. Can't afford it, and the machine is less versatile, doesn't run to software I need it to run. I fix my own laptops. I have a windows tower machine from a company in the NW that I know the guys who built it by first name, with free labor for life, and still pretty damn cheap. Still over a thousand bucks cheaper than the cheapest Mac Pro, and it's a quad core machine with a gaming card that runs three monitors.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:11:52pm |
re: #466 Varek Raith
I will pwn you all in MSPaint.
I have years of experience on several programs. Photoshop, Autocad, Sketchup. And I started with hand drawing. While people were busy masturbating about what's the best machine to have I was actually doing things with it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:12:10pm |
re: #462 engineer dog
anybody got a raleigh cigarette?
You'll find a pack lying somewhere between my buggy whip and my stack of BetaMax pr0n.
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bratwurst Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:12:16pm |
Wow, Rick Perry checking in with 1300 votes. How much more affectionate do they expect the man to get with a bottle of syrup?
| 474 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:12:17pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:12:56pm |
re: #458 JasonA
Exactly. And, because of a guy I watch on Monday's for my radio show, I have a rough idea what to look for in parts.
Though, in building a computer, the monitor, keyboard, and mouse aren't hugely important. It's the guts that are the big fuckin' deal.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:12:59pm |
re: #471 Gus 802
I have years of experience on several programs. Photoshop, Autocad, Sketchup. And I started with hand drawing. While people were busy masturbating about what's the best machine to have I was actually doing things with it.
I used autocad way back in 2000 for high school architecture class.
I designed a 1:1 scale starship in it.
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:13:02pm |
re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth
You'll find a pack lying somewhere between my buggy whip and my stack of BetaMax pr0n.
So that's what happened to all of my dad's beta max porn.
| 479 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:13:06pm |
re: #471 Gus 802
I have years of experience on several programs. Photoshop, Autocad, Sketchup. And I started with hand drawing. While people were busy masturbating about what's the best machine to have I was actually doing things with it.
My first tablet was on an atari ST ^_^
| 480 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:13:06pm |
re: #427 jaunte
Some OJ tested positive for fungicide residue, so juice and fruit imports from Brazil have been stopped.
OJ deserves to be incarcerated, the acidic bastard.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:13:35pm |
re: #474 WindUpBird
It's all about the Amiga 1000 these days, sheesh
Had one of those. Neat as neat can be, for a nerd. But the company (Commodore) was by that point merely a front for a Bahamian scam.
| 482 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:13:44pm |
But no. I have no interest in working in some art department making 12 bucks an hour working under some neurotic manager.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:13:55pm |
re: #463 b_sharp
Absolutely, Canada and the US had a horrible relationship before FT.///
And relations between the US and China couldn't be better.
/
Trade is a start, though.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:14:18pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:14:23pm |
re: #480 b_sharp
so juice and fruit imports from Brazil have been stopped.
Sorry, I was wrong on that one. I don't think the big juice makers are going to buy any more from that source, though.
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Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:14:41pm |
re: #435 JasonA
It's really hard to find consumer electronics that fit those criteria, though. Especially when you take into account that individual parts are often manufactured in other places before the final product is assembled.
Consumer outrage has been successful in the past and has caused companies to change. Home Depot and McDonalds stopped sourcing materials from the rainforest when people protested and boycotted. I don't know how many teenagers would boycott their cells, though.
| 489 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:14:54pm |
re: #465 Varek Raith
I used to overclock.
Now?
What's the point?
My quadcore is hardly ever taxed enough to warrant it.
Same with GPU.
And RAM? Heh, 8GB trumps screwing around with timings.
Does it make anyone else feel old when you think that, a decade ago, a 1Ghz processor was cutting-edge?
| 490 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:04pm |
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:07pm |
I notice in the CNN exit poll:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
it appears as if Huntsman actually beat Paul in the over-50 crowd.
| 492 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:11pm |
That's OK if you want to use a PC instead of an Apple, it's your choice.
But you could not possibly pay me enough money to get me to trade in my Apple for a PC. I've used both over the course of decades, and yep, there's a difference. A big difference.
| 493 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:24pm |
| 494 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:32pm |
re: #487 SpaceJesus
i want a computer made out of freedom
As opposed to one made of shame and soiled kleenex?
| 495 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:39pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:45pm |
re: #476 ProLifeLiberal
Exactly. And, because of a guy I watch on Monday's for my radio show, I have a rough idea what to look for in parts.
Though, in building a computer, the monitor, keyboard, and mouse aren't hugely important. It's the guts that are the big fuckin' deal.
And don't forget to get a really nice case and power supply.
| 497 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:15:49pm |
re: #450 ProLifeLiberal
Same here.
I'm going be building a computer after Graduation. Preferably something that won't be obsolete in 3-5 years. My mission: Keep it under the cost of an Apple Desktop
Considering the introductory price is $2500, this won't be hard. In fact, me trying to hit that number would be a challenge.
You don't need to build something expensive right off the bat. PCs are easily upgraded.
| 498 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:16:01pm |
re: #487 SpaceJesus
i want a computer made out of freedom
...and if the workers who make it commit suicide en masse over working conditions so be it.
/
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:17:10pm |
re: #495 freetoken
with two giant buttons for a keyboard. one that says "audit the fed" and another that says "repeal the civil rights act"
| 501 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:18:13pm |
re: #500 SpaceJesus
with two giant buttons for a keyboard. one that says "audit the fed" and another that says "repeal the civil rights act"
Well, if you ad a Shift lock button, those two can then add the functions of BUY GOLD!! and FREE THE WEED!!.
| 502 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:18:22pm |
re: #491 freetoken
I notice in the CNN exit poll:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]it appears as if Huntsman actually beat Paul in the over-50 crowd.
Romney is approaching 40% of the vote. This is a pretty solid win for him, actually. All three wingnuts combined have thousands of fewer votes than luap nor.
| 503 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:18:27pm |
Full disclosure: I've put off buying a tablet because, frankly, they're just not worth $400+ to me. Saw a sale on woot.com for a 16gb Toshiba Thrive for $280 and I jumped on it. I'm part of the problem. :(
| 504 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:18:36pm |
re: #460 Gus 802
Fanboys! Heh. I can upgrade mine later. Right now I have an EVGA 450-GTS. 1GB. The i5 is overclockable but I won't do that. Also have 16GB of RAM. On the P8P67 Deluxe MOBO. 2 SSDs. and one HDD.
I have a Pentium D with 128MB RAM, a floppy and a 20GB drive.
| 505 |
theheat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:19:03pm |
re: #403 Killgore Trout
And this is why America is the greatest country in the world, dammit. //
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:19:06pm |
re: #504 b_sharp
I have a Pentium D with 128MB RAM, a floppy and a 20GB drive.
They make pills for that.
/
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:19:24pm |
re: #504 b_sharp
I have a Pentium D with 128MB RAM, a floppy and a 20GB drive.
Did it come with Lotus 123 pre-installed at least?
| 508 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:19:35pm |
I like telephones that are tethered to the wall. You always know where they'll be.
| 509 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:20:29pm |
re: #474 WindUpBird
It's all about the Amiga 1000 these days, sheesh
I had an A500 with 1 mb ram & a 40mb SCSI disk in a sidecar. Damn good machine that saw me and my then girlfriend through school. I was estatic when I ditched the 300 baud acoustic coupler modem for a real plug into the phone line 2400 baud hayes compatible.
How many here miss the whale song of the modems?
| 510 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:20:29pm |
re: #508 jaunte
I like telephones that are tethered to the wall. You always know where they'll be.
And they're easy to upgrade. You can put one of those shoulder holders on one with no trouble at all, and it's super cheap.
| 511 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:20:32pm |
re: #508 jaunte
I like telephones that are tethered to the wall. You always know where they'll be.
I don't know about you, but my phone has a GPS in it, and with the Seek Droid app I can find it no matter where it is...
| 512 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:20:34pm |
re: #503 JasonA
Full disclosure: I've put off buying a tablet because, frankly, they're just not worth $400+ to me. Saw a sale on woot.com for a 16gb Toshiba Thrive for $280 and I jumped on it. I'm part of the problem. :(
I can't even afford to be part of the problem. Welp, back to the DIY repairs.
| 513 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:20:45pm |
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
| 514 |
Petero1818 Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:20:51pm |
re: #468 Charles
What I think many don't appreciate is that the eastern seaboard of China is no longer a bunch of sweatshops, but rather a ton of very sophisticated high tech manufacturing facilities, with far better working conditions than people imagine. yes hours are long, and wages compared to the west are low. But regionally they continue to grow. China is now the high value manufacturing. the low value sweat shop stuff has moved to Vietnam as well as other parts of South east Asia. Moreover, china manufacturing quality in these factories is on par with American, Japanese, European standards.
| 515 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:21:09pm |
re: #467 ProLifeLiberal
Again though, my experiences at OU show this to simply not be true. Apples had died left and right, and yet, this supposedly unreliable Laptop is still chugging along, even being forced to play Fallout 3. By all accounts, my little computer shouldn't be able to.
Dealing with Apple's fans at OU have come to make me hate Apple.
Calm down. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence of much.
| 516 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:21:20pm |
re: #491 freetoken
That doesn't surprise me. I've always had the feeling that his biggest support came from naive people my age who don't understand the consequences of his proposals.
| 517 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:21:35pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
Hey. I'd rather be in a real airplane then a simulator.
| 518 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:21:43pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
I think we may be twins, separated at birth.
| 519 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:21:50pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
What are you, Amish?
/
| 520 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:22:02pm |
re: #489 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Does it make anyone else feel old when you think that, a decade ago, a 1Ghz processor was cutting-edge?
Masking off certain pins on a Slot 1 Celeron 300MHz with teflon tape so I could overclock it to 450MHz makes me feel old. Upgrading a 386/DX-40 to 4MB RAM so I could run my BBS under OS/2 2.1 makes me feel old.
| 521 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:22:46pm |
I still take better pictures than people with cameras 12x the price. :P
Actually my sister was in this camera club. She was telling me about how all they do is sit around talking about their equipment. Just a bunch of fanboys.
| 523 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:23:51pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
I got a cell plugged in for emergencies. I don't even know its number.
| 524 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:23:53pm |
Gawd, I remember when I upgraded my old Tandy 1000HX to 640k of ram and thought that that would be the end of that...
| 525 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:11pm |
re: #521 Gus 802
That's an artistic talent. You should see the images my bro can capture. I couldn't do it with a friggin' magic camera.
| 526 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:16pm |
| 527 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:18pm |
re: #514 Petero1818
What I think many don't appreciate is that the eastern seaboard of China is no longer a bunch of sweatshops, but rather a ton of very sophisticated high tech manufacturing facilities, with far better working conditions than people imagine. yes hours are long, and wages compared to the west are low. But regionally they continue to grow. China is now the high value manufacturing. the low value sweat shop stuff has moved to Vietnam as well as other parts of South east Asia. Moreover, china manufacturing quality in these factories is on par with American, Japanese, European standards.
Yes -- but people are still repeating outdated stories to smear Apple. When I first heard the sweatshop allegations against Apple I was very concerned too -- but as far as I can tell, Apple has worked hard to try to do the right thing in a difficult situation. FAR more than most other US companies.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:20pm |
re: #508 jaunte
I like telephones that are tethered to the wall. You always know where they'll be.
You still have one of those? When I was a kid, we had a rotary phone and a party line.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:27pm |
re: #521 Gus 802
I still take better pictures than people with cameras 12x the price. :P
Actually my sister was in this camera club. She was telling me about how all they do is sit around talking about their equipment. Just a bunch of fanboys.
Of course they are.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:37pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
I've got this throw away ATT. Typically in this neighborhood I see the kids walking around glued to their iPhones.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:24:58pm |
re: #467 ProLifeLiberal
Again though, my experiences at OU show this to simply not be true. Apples had died left and right, and yet, this supposedly unreliable Laptop is still chugging along, even being forced to play Fallout 3. By all accounts, my little computer shouldn't be able to.
Dealing with Apple's fans at OU have come to make me hate Apple.
Students are notoriously hard on equipment, laptops in particular, and OU isn't BBDO, Publicis, etc. You're talking about your anecdotal relationship with individuals, I'm talking about an easily researched commonality among virtually every single major advertising agency in America, their creative departments run on Apple. If you'd spent any time at one you'd know the reason why, everyone prefers it that way, from the creatives themselves to the IT departments that support the networks. They prefer it that way because the stakes and salaries are so high that the increased equipment cost is well justified. A hot shot freelancing copywriter and art director team can charge $10K per day, the amortized cost of the equipment you pay for them to work on is the smallest part of pretty much every project's budget.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:25:39pm |
re: #530 Gus 802
I've got this throw away ATT. Typically in this neighborhood I see the kids walking around glued to their iPhones.
I don't like always being able to be reached by anyone no matter where I am.
Hence the dislike for cells and email.
:)
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:25:45pm |
Personally, I'll stick to criticizing Apple for their policies regarding app rejections.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:25:48pm |
re: #520 negativ
Masking off certain pins on a Slot 1 Celeron 300MHz with teflon tape so I could overclock it to 450MHz makes me feel old. Upgrading a 386/DX-40 to 4MB RAM so I could run my BBS under OS/2 2.1 makes me feel old.
Gah, my first laptop. DEC branded something, 16mhz 386sx but I sprang the extra several hundred (almost a grand IIRC) for 4 mb. Ran the NT3 beta on it. Bad bad bad. Moved to OS/2 and stayed with that till I gave it away years later. With enough memory anything will run.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:26:01pm |
re: #477 Varek Raith
I used autocad way back in 2000 for high school architecture class.
I designed a 1:1 scale starship in it.
I used AutoCad back in '91 to create a residential design 'expert system'*.
*Expert systems then were mere shadows of today's software.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:26:18pm |
re: #524 JasonA
Gawd, I remember when I upgraded my old Tandy 1000HX to 640k of ram and thought that that would be the end of that...
I remember getting this and thinking serious business.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:26:21pm |
Okay, now I feel like I'm on the LGF geriatric thread.
/
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:26:38pm |
re: #531 goddamnedfrank
Don't remind me.
Those poor PCs at NOVA....
Maintenance nightmare.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:26:47pm |
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:27:04pm |
re: #537 JasonA
Okay, now I feel like I'm on the LGF geriatric thread.
/
What's that sonny? Speak up!
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:27:12pm |
re: #479 WindUpBird
My first tablet was on an atari ST ^_^
I still have a 512, along with an 800XL, 600 and a 1200.
Why, you ask? I have no idea.
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Big Joe Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:27:13pm |
re: #489 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Does it make anyone else feel old when you think that, a decade ago, a 1Ghz processor was cutting-edge?
I used to work on the Intel 4004 microprocessor. 4 bit computers for the win.
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Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:27:58pm |
re: #532 Varek Raith
I don't like always being able to be reached by anyone no matter where I am.
Hence the dislike for cells and email.
:)
I have no cell phone either. It's been a great experience for the past year or so. People either expect me or they don't. If all else fails, they can call my house number or something. It feels good not to be bugged.
| 546 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:28:08pm |
re: #489 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Does it make anyone else feel old when you think that, a decade ago, a 1Ghz processor was cutting-edge?
when i was first working as a programmer professionally, back in 1985, i used to remind people that we are living in the primitive age of the computer industry
still true today
in ten years, we'll be talking about how hard it used to be to get a good signal on your iphone in some places, and how long wireless downloads used to take
in 20 years you'll see a picture of an iphone 4 in a magazine with a caption about "remember when a phone looked like this?"
| 547 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:28:08pm |
re: #537 JasonA
Okay, now I feel like I'm on the LGF geriatric thread.
/
YOU KIDS GET OFF MY KEYBOARD!!!
//
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:28:22pm |
re: #516 ProLifeLiberal
That doesn't surprise me. I've always had the feeling that his biggest support came from naive people my age who don't understand the consequences of his proposals.
Huntsman also did better in the graduate college crowd, while Paul not only took the youngsters (by a wide margin) but also the poorly educated.
Bottom line: the Religious Right has painted the GOP into a corner as their guy (Santorum) can't pull in the real libertarians or the non-SoCons, and given the SoCon hatred of Romney it now looks like a lose-lose situation.
In (my rarely done) driving around this afternoon/evening I turned on the local hate-radio (the usual Clear Channel stuff) and heard the churn-churn-churn as the hosts/guests/callers try to deal with why not everyone sees the world through the hate-tinted glasses that they do.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:28:57pm |
re: #489 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Does it make anyone else feel old when you think that, a decade ago, a 1Ghz processor was cutting-edge?
Yes, sadly.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:29:08pm |
I don't care what firms do. I'm my own firm. I'll never work for a firm again for the rest of my life.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:29:31pm |
Okay, I'm off to slaughter innocent sandpeople in The Old Republic. Might be back, might not. Ciao.
| 552 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:30:00pm |
re: #496 JasonA
And don't forgot to get a really nice case and power supply.
The PS is more important than many think.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:30:05pm |
re: #551 JasonA
Okay, I'm off to slaughter innocent sandpeople in The Old Republic. Might be back, might not. Ciao.
There are no "innocent" sandpeople.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:30:36pm |
Not going to sit around the water cooler talking about how great my new Subaru is. Or what I just bought at American Apparel or REI. Or what's on sale at Whole Foods. Never going to buy those tiny plastic framed glasses.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:30:49pm |
re: #553 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There are no "innocent"
sandpeople.
My Fallout philosophy.
:evilgrin:
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:31:33pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:31:38pm |
re: #546 engineer dog
when i was first working as a programmer professionally, back in 1985, i used to remind people that we are living in the primitive age of the computer industry
still true today
in ten years, we'll be talking about how hard it used to be to get a good signal on your iphone in some places, and how long wireless downloads used to take
in 20 years you'll see a picture of an iphone 4 in a magazine with a caption about "remember when a phone looked like this?"
I figure in 10 years, we'll remember what a "laptop" was and what it was like before WiFi was everywhere.
In 20, we'll tell people what it was like when you had a "desktop" and how you used to keep compressed air around to keep your computer from frying itself from all the dust.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:32:12pm |
Now this Toshiba laptop I tells ya. That thing's a toy. But, whatever.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:32:21pm |
re: #507 JasonA
Did it come with Lotus 123 pre-installed at least?
No, I built it with my own two little hands.
I think.
I have too many systems and I've tossed dozens.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:32:57pm |
My latest Page has some classic wingnut 'funny FAIL' from our old pal Scott Wheeler. Here's a taste of his email blast (of Burning Stupid):
Saturday night’s debate was supposed to be about jobs and the economy but instead it became an all-out media assault on the GOP field and on our core conservative principles.
Instead of focusing on the failed Obama economy the candidates were discussing gay marriage, contraception, draft dodging and gay marriage again.
Candidates were left ignoring the failed Obama economy while fending off absurd allegations and contrived stats that Stephanopoulos refused to back up or name a source.
The former Clinton attack dog even challenged Ron Paul on newsletters from over 20 years ago that weren’t even written by Ron Paul.
This well-orchestrated event had one sole purpose - leave the GOP field too bruised to take on Obama! These blatant attacks and falsehoods would never be thrown at the “chosen one.” Obama gets another free pass and the GOP field is forced to fight a multi-front war.
Wheeler takes the most malicious explanation possible for the questions asked in the debate while accepting Ron Paul's authorship denials at face value. FAIL so think you need a spoon.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:33:07pm |
re: #544 Jerk
I have no cell phone either. It's been a great experience for the past year or so. People either expect me or they don't. If all else fails, they can call my house number or something. It feels good not to be bugged.
In the Before Time, when not everybody had cell phones, my gf wanted to give me a "beeper".
I should have taken that as a warning sign.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:33:16pm |
re: #555 Varek Raith
My Fallout philosophy.
:evilgrin:
Happiness is a DM who lets you play a Lawful Evil character.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:33:29pm |
re: #560 b_sharp
No, I built it with my own two little hands.
I think.
I have too many systems and I've tossed dozens.
Sign of a true computer head. Being able to build a computer.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:33:59pm |
I think the thing that annoys me the most about all my past computer decisions was selling my Vaxstation VLC. Only 24 mb ram, 2 gb of disk & 5 VUPS (that means ungodly slow) but it was a real VAX running VMS. Major hoot to play with.
| 566 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:34:04pm |
re: #563 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Happiness is a DM who lets you play a Lawful Evil character.
"Bringing order to the galaxy, even if you have to choke the shit out of it."
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freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:34:10pm |
re: #546 engineer dog
when i was first working as a programmer professionally, back in 1985, i used to remind people that we are living in the primitive age of the computer industry
[...]
in 20 years you'll see a picture of an iphone 4 in a magazine with a caption about "remember when a phone looked like this?"
Ultimately the ideal option for many functions is to embed them inside the human body (somewhere). I wonder how that will go over with the Tea Partying crowd, who have issues with fluoride in water?
| 568 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:34:56pm |
re: #564 Gus 802
Sign of a true computer head. Being able to build a computer.
Also explains why I have four working floppy drives I can't bring myself to get rid of.
Heh.
| 569 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:35:05pm |
re: #567 freetoken
Ultimately the ideal option for many functions is to embed them inside the human body (somewhere). I wonder how that will go over with the Tea Partying crowd, who have issues with fluoride in water?
The mark of the Beast!!1!1!!1ty
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:36:03pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
I hate cell phones.
I have a trac phone for emergencies and nothing else.
Don't like email either.
:P
I use a cell for my business. When I'm home working at my repair desk, which is in my basement, my cell doesn't work. I had to buy a wireless phone system that uses BT to connect to my cell so I can leave it upstairs and receive calls. The system works great, but the extra cost is annoying.
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Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:36:50pm |
re: #568 Varek Raith
Also explains why I have four working floppy drives I can't bring myself to get rid of.
Heh.
I haven't used a floppy in ages. Flash cards are great. As are SSDs. This thing boots in a flash.
| 572 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:37:15pm |
re: #566 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Bringing order to the galaxy, even if you have to choke the shit out of it."
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Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:39:41pm |
re: #530 Gus 802
I've got this throw away ATT. Typically in this neighborhood I see the kids walking around glued to their iPhones.
I cured my iPhone addiction by losing mine in the back of a cab and replacing it with a Windows Phone because I couldn't spare the money for an iPhone 4 at the time.
It's amazing what having a phone with a shitty app store will do for your smartphone habits. Heh.
| 577 |
Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:41:19pm |
re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth
In the Before Time, when not everybody had cell phones, my gf wanted to give me a "beeper".
I should have taken that as a warning sign.
I remember when my dad's work gave him a car phone, and my mom said "Daddy's calling from the car! Isn't that neat?" This was when very few people had them, early nineties.
| 579 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:42:18pm |
re: #566 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Bringing order to the galaxy, even if you have to choke the shit out of it."
That's my SWTOR Jedi Knight in a nutshell. She might be a Jedi, but she's Dark. Someone else can play the goody two shoes. ;)
| 581 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:43:48pm |
re: #550 Gus 802
I don't care what firms do. I'm my own firm. I'll never work for a firm again for the rest of my life.
this!
My computer gear is a big chunk of change to me, and I need several machines for my various projects. if I were buying apple, I'd have to sell my car to afford them :D
I don't HATE apple (i had a powermac 8500, I still have an ipod) but I pay for functionality. Not everyone should buy a BMW. Sometimes you just need a truck or a van. The most elegant OS on earth is shit if it simply doesn't run what you need it to.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:44:04pm |
re: #579 Lidane
That's my SWTOR Jedi Knight in a nutshell. She might be a Jedi, but she's Dark. Someone else can play the goody two shoes. ;)
Might I interest you in a career in the Inquisition?
| 584 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:44:16pm |
| 585 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:44:43pm |
re: #579 Lidane
That's my SWTOR Jedi Knight in a nutshell. She might be a Jedi, but she's Dark. Someone else can play the goody two shoes. ;)
See me, I could never play a true "evil" character in an RPG. Weird as it may be, I even feel guilty about evil things I do in video games.
Now if I can kill a half dozen folks and still get the good ending, then I'm not against that.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:45:38pm |
re: #569 aagcobb
You could make embedded systems work for many moonbats and wingnuts if you embedded said systems in their asses. Their head spend enough time in there that the systems would work well in voice activated.
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:46:03pm |
re: #577 Jerk
I remember when my dad's work gave him a car phone, and my mom said "Daddy's calling from the car! Isn't that neat?" This was when very few people had them, early nineties.
Mid '80s, actually. I also remember a cottage industry built on selling the fake little antennae you could stick on the roof or trunk of you car so it looked like you had a car phone.
| 588 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:46:06pm |
re: #583 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Might I interest you in a career in the Inquisition?
Nah. I gave up Catholicism for Lent a while ago. Thanks, though. ;)
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:46:15pm |
re: #564 Gus 802
Sign of a true computer head. Being able to build a computer.
Gus, I build the damn things in my sleep. I've built probably a hundred systems, maybe more if you include all the mobos, drives, RAM, PS, cases and everything else I've replaced.
I've taken up machining with a lathe and a mill just to do something different.
| 590 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:46:49pm |
| 591 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:47:13pm |
re: #567 freetoken
Ultimately the ideal option for many functions is to embed them inside the human body (somewhere). I wonder how that will go over with the Tea Partying crowd, who have issues with fluoride in water?
Nano tech in the water system. They won't even know.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:47:39pm |
re: #585 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
See me, I could never play a true "evil" character in an RPG. Weird as it may be, I even feel guilty about evil things I do in video games.
Now if I can kill a half dozen folks and still get the good ending, then I'm not against that.
Funny thing about my Lawful Evil guy was his best friend in the party was the Paladin. He was good cop, I was bad cop.
Plus the fact he couldn't make a sense motive roll, probably helped.
| 593 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:47:43pm |
re: #581 WindUpBird
this!
My computer gear is a big chunk of change to me, and I need several machines for my various projects. if I were buying apple, I'd have to sell my car to afford them :D
I don't HATE apple (i had a powermac 8500, I still have an ipod) but I pay for functionality. Not everyone should buy a BMW. Sometimes you just need a truck or a van. The most elegant OS on earth is shit if it simply doesn't run what you need it to.
I started with a UNIVAC. :) Then Macintosh. Later PCs. The drafting stuff started with drawing by hand. The ancient art of pencil on vellum or ink on mylar. Using the ancient electric erasers and such. I'm a creature of habit and I already know the ins and outs of PCs. Basically you keep all the junk off the OS drive. If you buy a new off the shelf computer? Take it home and the first thing you should do is format the hard drive and get rid of all the garbage. But yeah you get what you can afford and what you want.
| 594 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:47:51pm |
re: #585 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
See me, I could never play a true "evil" character in an RPG. Weird as it may be, I even feel guilty about evil things I do in video games.
Now if I can kill a half dozen folks and still get the good ending, then I'm not against that.
It's actually really hard. I've had the same guilt problems with some of the things I've had to do in SWTOR to stay Dark. It's not easy to be a supposedly good character and make her evil.
My Smuggler, OTOH, is the smartass with the heart of gold. Heh.
| 595 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:47:55pm |
re: #588 Lidane
Nah. I gave up Catholicism for Lent a while ago. Thanks, though. ;)
Different Inquisition.
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b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:47:59pm |
re: #568 Varek Raith
Also explains why I have four working floppy drives I can't bring myself to get rid of.
Heh.
I just threw out a half dozen 5-1/4 drives two summers ago.
| 597 |
dragonath Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:48:10pm |
No love for the C64?!!
38911 Basic Bytes Free!
| 598 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:48:12pm |
I guess I missed today's outrage. Headline at Townhall: "Obama Appoints La Raza Radical to Control Domestic Policy".
Hmmm... "La Raza Radical". Cecilia Muñoz is apparently the new monster to haunt the nightmares of Townhallers.
| 599 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:48:19pm |
re: #590 Slumbering Behemoth
Free the code, bro. Occupy Internet!
My drone is flying over your Apple dude! NDAA is coming to get me! No way man.
//
| 601 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:48:41pm |
re: #571 Gus 802
I haven't used a floppy in ages. Flash cards are great. As are SSDs. This thing boots in a flash.
I still haven't installed my 120GB SSD.
| 602 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:49:38pm |
re: #580 Gus 802
LINUX!
My IT professor was a Ubuntu fanboy. Oy. That was a nightmare.
Hilariously, he had the most snark for the Apple users, which are a majority of my grad school classmates.
| 603 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:49:58pm |
re: #574 Gus 802
PCI?
PCIE. The board has a 1X-4X, then a 16X, then another 1/4X and then a PCI from what I can see.
| 604 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:50:11pm |
re: #601 b_sharp
I still haven't installed my 120GB SSD.
Really? It's easy. I got one 120 GB and a spare 60 GB. You know what's funny is reading all these problems people have with computers on the internet. Even new hardware. What they heck are they doing?
Hey! Shouldn't we be checking on Barth's Notes?
....nah. ;)
| 605 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:50:13pm |
re: #593 Gus 802
I started with a UNIVAC. :) Then Macintosh. Later PCs. The drafting stuff started with drawing by hand. The ancient art of pencil on vellum or ink on mylar. Using the ancient electric erasers and such. I'm a creature of habit and I already know the ins and outs of PCs. Basically you keep all the junk off the OS drive. If you buy a new off the shelf computer? Take it home and the first thing you should do is format the hard drive and get rid of all the garbage. But yeah you get what you can afford and what you want.
| 607 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:50:58pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:51:00pm |
re: #594 Lidane
It's actually really hard. I've had the same guilt problems with some of the things I've had to do in SWTOR to stay Dark. It's not easy to be a supposedly good character and make her evil.
My Smuggler, OTOH, is the smartass with the heart of gold. Heh.
It's kinda why I liked Fallout: New Vegas more than Fallout 3, because the morality system had taken a back seat to the reputation system. You no longer had to worry that stealing everything not nailed down in one town would make you reviled half a map away.
| 609 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:51:12pm |
re: #580 Gus 802
LINUX!
linux is great, and servers should run on some flavor of unix, but i'm paid to write desktop apps, and that's usually windoze....
| 610 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:51:17pm |
re: #603 b_sharp
PCIE. The board has a 1X-4X, then a 16X, then another 1/4X and then a PCI from what I can see.
Just using the 16X PCIE. That's all I need. This puppy is fast.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:51:58pm |
As a former college computer lab monitor with plenty of macs and PCs, here are my feelings re: the reliability of the said platforms:
1. Problems were actually fairly equally divided between Mac and PC, in terms of the quantity of issues users were having.
2. Most problems were caused by user error.
3. Mac errors were usually fixable, users with PC errors were SOL about half the time.
4. Un fixable Mac errors were almost always a result of over taxing the hardware, un fixable PC errors were randomly distributed among various (unknown) causes.
5. Overall, PCs were about 1.25 to 1.5 times more likely to be problematic than macs in terms of solving the issues; a noticeable but not overwhelming difference.
Of course, I'm talking about 1996-1999 here, so today's experiences nay not be comparable.
| 613 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:52:04pm |
G'Night all. Gotta go take my geritol ;0
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:54:01pm |
re: #611 b_sharp
No?
noooo :( I mean, it's possible, but it's a pain, and then you have gear that may or may not have linux drivers and oh god
| 615 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:55:42pm |
re: #604 Gus 802
Really? It's easy. I got one 120 GB and a spare 60 GB. You know what's funny is reading all these problems people have with computers on the internet. Even new hardware. What they heck are they doing?
Hey! Shouldn't we be checking on Barth's Notes?
...nah. ;)
I just haven't made the time. It's sitting in its special slot but unformatted.
What are they doing? Who knows, they sure don't.
I'll check on Barth's Notes tomorrow.
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Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:55:51pm |
re: #614 WindUpBird
nooo :( I mean, it's possible, but it's a pain, and then you have gear that may or may not have linux drivers and oh god
You write your own drivers like Richard Stallman intended.
| 617 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:56:06pm |
re: #584 WindUpBird
sadly, linux and MIDI don't play well at all :(
iirc libraries and drivers are not standardized btw different flavors of unix
this caused a lot of ugly switchout code i remember from when i worked in a unix shop i.e.
#ifdef SOLARIS
// call solaris version
#ifdef LINUX
// do linux thang
| 618 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:56:42pm |
Yep. What great tragedy we have today. I remember we had to look things up in the family encyclopedia. And if it wasn't there you'd have to wait to go to the library the next day and see if they had the information you were looking for. Sometimes you'd have to read through pages! Read! There wasn't a search function. You'd also have to go through microfilm sometimes. Microfiche. All sorts of things. Then! If you still couldn't find what you were looking for you'd have to send away for information. Which meant writing a letter and waiting for the answer. And that sometimes took well over a month! Sometimes more!
| 619 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:56:58pm |
| 620 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:57:32pm |
re: #617 engineer dog
Rock and roll does not have time for driver headaches :D
| 621 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:57:44pm |
| 622 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:57:52pm |
re: #615 b_sharp
I just haven't made the time. It's sitting in its special slot but unformatted.
What are they doing? Who knows, they sure don't.
I'll check on Barth's Notes tomorrow.
It's probably loonie tunes by now. I won't look. Fuck that shit. It's like being 12 years old again and walking through some bad neighborhood with those guys. Loooooserville. Not Barth of course. He's a primo dude.
| 623 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:58:19pm |
I'm gonna to head out. I've had trouble talking today, and tonight's discussion is out of my expertise.
| 624 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:58:21pm |
re: #618 Gus 802
I remember we had to look things up in the family encyclopedia.
Funk and Wagnalls... I remember those.
| 625 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:58:44pm |
re: #614 WindUpBird
nooo :( I mean, it's possible, but it's a pain, and then you have gear that may or may not have linux drivers and oh god
I've had wireless driver problems, but there are ways of getting around the probs and new kernels usually have the drivers.
| 626 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:59:16pm |
re: #624 freetoken
Funk and Wagnalls... I remember those.
Yeah. It was like this bound pre-printed paper thing. Hundreds of pages with all these words and little black and white pictures. ;)
| 629 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:00:05pm |
gee, guys, wasn't the new hamshire primary excitiZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
| 631 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:01:08pm |
| 632 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:01:10pm |
re: #626 Gus 802
We had one of those cheap Funk & Wagnall sets... pretty much all we had to read other than the dictionary. I used to get books at the town's public library (which was a beautiful old Carnegie funded institution, the neo-classical style building of which has since fallen into disrepair.)
| 634 |
b_sharp Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:01:15pm |
re: #622 Gus 802
It's probably loonie tunes by now. I won't look. Fuck that shit. It's like being 12 years old again and walking through some bad neighborhood with those guys. Loooserville. Not Barth of course. He's a primo dude.
I'd like to help him out a bit.
I'm heading for bed bro, talk to you sometime in the next couple of days.
| 636 |
Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:02:49pm |
You guys are talking about encyclopedias... you mean like Encarta, right???
| 638 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:04:23pm |
re: #636 Jerk
You guys are talking about encyclopedias... you mean like Encarta, right???
Nope. Like the book kind. And libraries where you have to be wearing shoes and can't argue with people. Plus, you have to be really quiet in those places.
Shhhhh!
//
| 640 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:05:30pm |
re: #639 Gus 802
Wait. Are people still quiet in libraries?
Don't know, haven't been in one for the better part of a decade. I have some rather...large outstanding overdue fees.
| 641 |
engineer cat Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:06:07pm |
re: #636 Jerk
You guys are talking about encyclopedias... you mean like Encarta, right???
oh yeah, i remember when in the future all encyclopedias would be on CD ROMs
| 642 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:07:16pm |
re: #641 engineer dog
oh yeah, i remember when in the future all encyclopedias would be on CD ROMs
Everything gets replaced. Everything. I was thinking about those old CD encyclopedias a couple of days ago. Sort of went along with Compuserve and AOL.
| 643 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:08:07pm |
re: #642 Gus 802
Everything gets replaced. Everything. I was thinking about those old CD encyclopedias a couple of days ago. Sort of went along with Compuserve and AOL.
Ah, AOHell, how I do not miss thee.
| 644 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:09:44pm |
re: #643 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ah, AOHell, how I do not miss thee.
Wasn't that like $8/hr at one point? After you reached a certain limit? I forgot these details.
| 645 |
Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:10:48pm |
My mom used to have these huge encyclopedias that were written before Kennedy was assassinated. They were great. Wikipedia has pretty much replaced them in my life.
Encarta helped me out when I was at the UN at around age 12. They asked my tour group who the first alphabetical member country was and I knew it was Afghanistan. Everyone was shocked, but it always came up first in countries in some portion of Encarta.
| 647 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:12:14pm |
re: #644 Gus 802
Wasn't that like $8/hr at one point? After you reached a certain limit? I forgot these details.
Yeah, I remember the hourly charges, when I couldn't be on more than two hours a night before my folks got on my case. Thankfully they eventually moved to a subscription plan, which was about the time I figured out chatrooms and message boards.
| 648 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:14:15pm |
re: #647 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, I remember the hourly charges, when I couldn't be on more than two hours a night before my folks got on my case. Thankfully they eventually moved to a subscription plan, which was about the time I figured out chatrooms and message boards.
Oh dear lord. Those chatroom were... WEIRD! Remember IRC? Eek!
| 649 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:15:30pm |
re: #648 Gus 802
Oh dear lord. Those chatroom were... WEIRD! Remember IRC? Eek!
Had a lot of fun on IRC. 'course, I was one of the lucky ones to find a group of like-minded folks who were as weird as I was at the time. A group of fellow geeks and nerds who welcomed me into the herd.
| 651 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:18:29pm |
I remember spending 2 hours on hold waiting to cancel America Online..
| 652 |
Big Joe Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:18:54pm |
re: #649 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Had a lot of fun on IRC. 'course, I was one of the lucky ones to find a group of like-minded folks who were as weird as I was at the time. A group of fellow geeks and nerds who welcomed me into the herd.
I still use IRC, in fact I have it running right now.
| 653 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:19:07pm |
re: #651 Mich-again
I remember spending 2 hours on hold waiting to cancel America Online..
Did they keep trying to give you free hours to convince you to stay?
| 654 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:20:31pm |
re: #651 Mich-again
I used AOL briefly, at home. At work I was well integrated into the Internet (previously ARPAnet), but for a while at home I decided to try AOL. I never really liked it, and found that the early USENET was far more interesting than AOL.
| 655 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:22:39pm |
re: #654 freetoken
I used AOL briefly, at home. At work I was well integrated into the Internet (previously ARPAnet), but for a while at home I decided to try AOL. I never really liked it, and found that the early USENET was far more interesting than AOL.
alt.binaries.japan?
| 656 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:23:31pm |
re: #558 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I figure in 10 years, we'll remember what a "laptop" was and what it was like before WiFi was everywhere.
In 20, we'll tell people what it was like when you had a "desktop" and how you used to keep compressed air around to keep your computer from frying itself from all the dust.
When I was in high school, taking classes at the local JC, the computer was the size of a small car; you had to make an appointment to bring in your stack of punch cards to run a program. When it didn't work (because of course it never did), then you had to go through the punch cards one at a time, the whole huge stack, to find that One. Fucking. Typo. that made the entire afternoon's work into so much confetti.
(a few years later, my roommate had an Apple II with an *awesome* flight simulator -- you could take off from real airports, fly over real cities around real obstacles, and if you flew directly into the WTC there were *BOOM* *EXPLODEY* graphics and sound effects -- which is a big part of why I was so gobsmacked by the Bush administration's insistence that "no one could have predicted...")
| 657 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:23:55pm |
re: #653 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Did they keep trying to give you free hours to convince you to stay?
Ha, nope but that clip and cracked me up..
| 658 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:26:19pm |
One of my uncles kept scamming AOL for the better part of a year. Every time he got low on free hours, he'd ring them up and make noises about canceling his subscription, and the person at the other end would offer him more free hours to keep his subscription, which he'd accept "grudgingly." Eventually he really did end his subscription, but only because he finally got DSL.
| 659 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:26:20pm |
Hungry. Got tired of looking at the New Hampshire crap. Seriously. Romney. Bleh. So tired of all the politics crap that been going on since the dawn of man or something. So many people that think that voting for a new president will change their lives. Not gonna happen.
| 660 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:27:12pm |
re: #658 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
One of my uncles kept scamming AOL for the better part of a year. Every time he got low on free hours, he'd ring them up and make noises about canceling his subscription, and the person at the other end would offer him more free hours to keep his subscription, which he'd accept "grudgingly." Eventually he really did end his subscription, but only because he finally got DSL.
A good DSL line beats WiFi any day.
| 661 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:30:31pm |
re: #660 Gus 802
A good DSL line beats WiFi any day.
My mother's family lives in small town Kentucky, or the "digital boonies," as I've come to call it. Think it was only 3 years ago that they got DSL and now cable is finally making its way into town. Used to think it was amazing that my cousin out in the country not only had cable, but a wifi set-up so that I could use my laptop to download songs instead of waiting on dial-up for a half hour.
| 662 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:30:37pm |
So to recap. The Republican plans is to:
1. Overturn Roe v. Wade
2. More tax cuts for rich assholes.
3. Constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between man/woman.
4. Close the EPA.
5. Close the Department of Education
6. Starting a war on porn.
7. Starting a land war with Iran.
8. Masturbating more.
| 663 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:32:23pm |
re: #403 Killgore Trout
Yup, here's the rub. Mortgages we can't afford, buying shit on credit, maximum consumption and if some workers on the other side of the planet commit mass suicide we don't mind. This is what we've become.
FYI. It is our CHOICE. We have CHOSEN to do this to ourselves.
| 664 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:32:49pm |
656 Sagehen
When it didn't work (because of course it never did), then you had to go through the punch cards one at a time, the whole huge stack, to find that One. Fucking. Typo. that made the entire afternoon's work into so much confetti.
I remember Fortran, and dropping the stack of cards into a heap once..
| 665 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:33:16pm |
re: #661 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My mother's family lives in small town Kentucky, or the "digital boonies," as I've come to call it. Think it was only 3 years ago that they got DSL and now cable is finally making its way into town. Used to think it was amazing that my cousin out in the country not only had cable, but a wifi set-up so that I could use my laptop to download songs instead of waiting on dial-up for a half hour.
I was getting 2300MBS on my last DSL.
| 667 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:34:12pm |
re: #655 Gus 802
alt.binaries.japan?
heh... alt.binaries was fun... and was a major force in driving the internet into bigger and bigger pipelines.
Long live alt.binaries
| 668 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:34:43pm |
re: #662 Gus 802
So to recap. The Republican plans is to:
1. Overturn Roe v. Wade
2. More tax cuts for rich assholes.
3. Constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between man/woman.
4. Close the EPA.
5. Closer the Department of Education
6. Starting a war on porn.
7. Starting a land war with Iran.
8. Masturbating more.
9. Classify zygotes and fetuses as "people" under the law
10. Deport the zygotes and fetuses who came to term for being born from the wrong wombs
| 669 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:34:58pm |
OK. Been wanting to say this all night. But the difference between an Apple user and PC user is that a PC user won't hesitate to tell you that Bill Gates sucks. You know the flip side.
//
| 671 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:36:22pm |
re: #668 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
9. Classify zygotes and fetuses as "people" under the law
10. Deport the zygotes and fetuses who came to term for being born from the wrong wombs
Yeah. Abortion, abortion, abortion! Sanctity of life! Bleh.
Right. From the same folks that... Oh nevermind.
| 672 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:37:01pm |
re: #664 Mich-again
656 Sagehen
I remember Fortran, and dropping the stack of cards into a heap once..
OMG, they told us Fortran and Cobol would be useful to us in our lives!! They so lied.
| 674 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:37:53pm |
Everything is like we're living on the last few seconds of mankind now.
Seriously. It's boring. People need to knock it off now.
| 675 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:38:07pm |
re: #662 Gus 802
So to recap. The Republican plans is to:
1. Overturn Roe v. Wade
2. More tax cuts for rich assholes.
3. Constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between man/woman.
4. Close the EPA.
5. Closer the Department of Education
6. Starting a war on porn.
7. Starting a land war with Iran.
8. Masturbating more.
9. Outlawing birth control (i.e., "personhood" amendments)
10. Finding a way to legally discriminate against Muslims. (Creeping Sharia! ZOMG!)
11. Finding a way to legally suppress minority votes. (Voter ID laws)
12. Finding a way to legally screw over unionized workers.
13. Finding a way to legally deport Hispanics and Latinos, even if they're citizens of this country.
14. Barack Obama's birth certificate/citizenship.
| 676 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:38:45pm |
re: #675 Lidane
9. Outlawing birth control (i.e., "personhood" amendments)
10. Finding a way to legally discriminate against Muslims. (Creeping Sharia! ZOMG!)
11. Finding a way to legally suppress minority votes. (Voter ID laws)
12. Finding a way to legally screw over unionized workers.
13. Finding a way to legally deport Hispanics and Latinos, even if they're citizens of this country.
14. Barack Obama's birth certificate/citizenship.
My list is growing!
| 677 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:39:02pm |
re: #669 Gus 802
OK. Been wanting to say this all night. But the difference between an Apple user and PC user is that a PC user won't hesitate to tell you that Bill Gates sucks. You know the flip side.
//
I stick by my viewing PC vs. Mac as being like Kia vs. BMW. Yeah, the BMW looks nice, drives great, comes with nice features, and is well-built. But the Kia is all those plus I don't have to take it to the dealer for minor problems or buy a brand new one if I want to replace/upgrade parts.
| 678 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:39:35pm |
Yeah. Deport Latinos. Mexican mostly. The same people that helped build this nation. The same folks that were brought here by conservative business owners.
Dorks.
| 679 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:40:41pm |
re: #678 Gus 802
Yeah. Deport Latinos. Mexican mostly. The same people that helped build this nation. The same folks that were brought here by conservative business owners.
Dorks.
Not to worry, plenty of convict labor and poor folks we can force to do the jobs. You just gotta know how to exploit the laws properly.
//
| 680 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:40:52pm |
re: #677 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I stick by my viewing PC vs. Mac as being like Kia vs. BMW. Yeah, the BMW looks nice, drives great, comes with nice features, and is well-built. But the Kia is all those plus I don't have to take it to the dealer for minor problems or buy a brand new one if I want to replace/upgrade parts.
My point is that I don't idolize anything or anyone. At least with 95 percent of things. We just do what we have to do.
| 681 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:41:17pm |
| 682 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:41:30pm |
re: #679 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not to worry, plenty of convict labor and poor folks we can force to do the jobs. You just gotta know how to exploit the laws properly.
//
Nah. Just used interns. INTERNS! Bleh.
| 683 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:42:08pm |
Just in case people have forgotten. The reason we had a spike in employment last week? It was for December.
| 684 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:42:13pm |
re: #680 Gus 802
My point is that I don't idolize anything or anyone. At least with 95 percent of things. We just do what we have to do.
I was raised on the idea of "Use what works." If the computer isn't cutting-edge, but does what you need it to do competently, then there's no reason to spend a lot of money you don't have.
| 685 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:43:31pm |
re: #674 Gus 802
Everything is like we're living on the last few seconds of mankind now.
Seriously. It's boring. People need to knock it off now.
| 686 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:43:44pm |
re: #684 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I was raised on the idea of "Use what works." If the computer isn't cutting-edge, but does what you need it to do competently, then there's no reason to spend a lot of money you don't have.
Yep. I was raised on pencils. If you wanted to create a work of art you had to make it with your hands. Computers are easy. And I mean easy. What used to take me close to a week now takes me a couple of hours.
| 687 |
Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:44:48pm |
| 688 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:45:43pm |
re: #687 Jerk
I'm pretty sure the religious right frowns upon this.
That's why I included it. That any me trying to be funny. Which was the intent.
| 689 |
Jerk Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:46:45pm |
re: #688 Gus 802
Oh nuts I wasn't reading right. I think it's time to go to sleep.
| 691 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:47:21pm |
re: #686 Gus 802
Yep. I was raised on pencils. If you wanted to create a work of art you had to make it with your hands. Computers are easy. And I mean easy. What used to take me close to a week now takes me a couple of hours.
Let's be honest, the bulk of human history, of human endeavor, has revolved around the idea of making things that make our lives easier and give us more time to enjoy life. Computers now are simply the next step in that chain. I was just arguing with my sister the other day about the Kindle vs. the book. She championed the book for the experience of reading from one, whether it be the smell, texture, or weight of having a book in your hand. I was in favor of the Kindle because of the convenience of being able to carry an entire library in something the size of a Reader's Digest.
| 692 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:47:34pm |
Just a little out take from my short.
| 693 |
Gus Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:47:52pm |
Why?
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