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Here’s an email of a type I don’t get to feature too often; not a rant full of creepy insults or a smug gloat over some imagined right wing victory, but an actual email of support. Shocking, I know.

I’ll admit that I veered away from LGF when the tone of your site started to change and I noticed more attacks against Republicans and Conservatives rather than the usual radical-muslim alerts. But after months of finding frothing at the mouth hatred, racism and close-mindedness throughout the right-wing blogosphere, I’ll have to admit that you saw how things were moving much sooner than me. Keep up the good work.

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1 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:23:24pm

That's pretty cool, actually.

Every 'hey wait a minute, maybe he was right!' is a victory for democracy!

/hyperbole off.

2 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:23:46pm

Daw how cute my faith in humanity just went up a tenth of a present....

3 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:25:13pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Daw how cute my faith in humanity just went up a tenth of a present...


What a lousy gift!
/
Ah, nice to see a sane e-mail...

4 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:25:29pm

Nice!

5 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:26:06pm

re: #3 Varek Raith

What a lousy gift!
/
Ah, nice to see a sane e-mail...

No fair, that was my post.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:27:06pm

By the way -- new feature at the bottom of the Featured Pages and Recent Pages sections: a "More" button that loads the previous 10 pages with Ajax and inserts them below the current last page.

7 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:28:31pm

re: #6 Charles

I love the "More" buttons.

8 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:29:35pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

I love the "More" buttons.

My wife has one.

9 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:31:37pm

re: #6 Charles

Nifty!

10 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:32:02pm

re: #6 Charles

Nice! Better and better. BTW as I attempt to absorb Wordpress and rebuild a couple work blogs, I find myself lingering over similar features to what you worked up here, like the marklet. Thanks for the inspiration and ideas.

11 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:32:50pm

re: #9 freetoken

Nifty!

I think b_sharp has one of those.

12 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:33:34pm

He echoes my sentiments. Bravo to this mailer!

13 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:35:11pm

I feel the same way. While I still think Charles has taken an unfair hostility towards libertarians, he is on the ball in exposing right-wing lunacy.

14 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:36:17pm

re: #13 pharmmajor

Libertarians (left or right) tend to be a little nutty :p

15 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:36:26pm

It is unfortunately too rare, a blog like this.

But I am glad it is here.

Thanks Charles.

And thanks to the posters here, who do not borrow their opinions from others, by and large.

16 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:36:32pm

re: #13 pharmmajor

I feel the same way. While I still think Charles has taken an unfair hostility towards libertarians, he is on the ball in exposing right-wing lunacy.

"an unfair hostility towards libertarians, "

Counter argument: Rapture.

17 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:37:53pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

"an unfair hostility towards libertarians, "

Counter argument: Rapture.

"A man chooses, a slave obeys."

18 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:38:30pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

"A man chooses, a slave obeys."

What if you choose to obey? (yeah, I know, kinky)

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:39:18pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

"an unfair hostility towards libertarians, "

Counter argument: Rapture.

And Penn Jillette, hahah OM MAN I HAVE A COMPOUND IN VEGAS AND A FLEET OF CARS WITH OFFENSIVE LICENSE PLATES I'M FREAKING THE MUNDANES

20 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:39:32pm

re: #18 windsagio

What if you choose to obey? (yeah, I know, kinky)

Hey man, Ryan's the nutty libertarian, not me.
:P

21 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:39:32pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

The Rapture will happen next May 21, according to some.
You can hear it on the radio!

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:39:38pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

"A man chooses, a slave obeys."

FORE!

23 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:39:55pm

re: #13 pharmmajor

I feel the same way. While I still think Charles has taken an unfair hostility towards libertarians, he is on the ball in exposing right-wing lunacy.

I think some libertarian ideas are fine, others are bunk, and you cannot get away from their current leaders - they are definitely problematic.

24 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:40:44pm

re: #22 WindUpBird

FORE!

Wow that's some 9-irony you're working on right there....

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:41:37pm

MY FAVORITE INSANE LIBERTARIAN IN METAL

I am the only guy on LGF who knows who Tripp Eisen is and his political beliefs, off the top of my head

where else can you go for these up-to-the-minute cultural references

26 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:41:51pm

re: #21 Ojoe

The Rapture will happen next May 21, according to some.
You can hear it on the radio!

Wrong Rapture in case you hadn't realized it yet. I'm talking about the one from Bioshock...

27 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:41:52pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

Wow that's some 9-irony you're working on right there...

oh god I LOLed

28 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:42:03pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

I think some libertarian ideas are fine, others are bunk, and you cannot get away from their current leaders - they are definitely problematic.

all elected leaders are problematic...it has little to do with were you are located on some ridiculous sliding scale...it's the partisanship that is destructive

29 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:42:08pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

"A man chooses, a slave obeys."

I don't really agree. There are many cases where people who are not slaves obey, mostly at work.

30 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:42:50pm

re: #26 jamesfirecat

Wrong Rapture in case you hadn't realized it yet. I'm talking about the one from Bioshock...

well, everybody should know that, eh?

31 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:43:03pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

The problem is that the ideas are unreasonably idealistic.

Its somewhere between Anarchism and Communism on the "Yeah that'll work!" scale.

32 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:44:02pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I don't really agree. There are many cases where people who are not slaves obey, mostly at work.

I don't think that's what the slogan means

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:44:18pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I don't really agree. There are many cases where people who are not slaves obey, mostly at work.

This is also a game where crazed socialites in evening dresses shoot lightning from their fingertips at you while you're lurching half-dead through a gigantic underwater city, liberties with philosophy may be taken

34 The Curmudgeon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:44:25pm

I get mail too. But it's all from Nigeria.

35 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:44:46pm

I've been wanting to post this for several years about Mail...
One of the most popular Sports Blogs in the world posts a monthly Mailbag where the sports guy posts questions from his readers with him doing a reply.
Many subjects are covered and to end it he always posts the craziest most wacko emails to him and replies... Yup those are my readers!
Really a fun read and he gets so many hits on the Mailbag thread it's unbelievable....

36 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:45:15pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

This is also a game where crazed socialites in evening dresses shoot lightning from their fingertips at you while you're lurching half-dead through a gigantic underwater city, liberties with philosophy may be taken

Don't forget the weirdos crawling on the ceiling!

37 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:45:39pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

"A man chooses, a slave obeys."

It's needs a bit of a correction.

A wife suggests, a man chooses, a slave obeys.

38 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:45:43pm

re: #14 windsagio

Libertarians (left or right) tend to be a little nutty :p

A little nutty, but still saner than the average democrat or republican. ;3

39 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:46:25pm

re: #19 WindUpBird

And Penn Jillette, hahah OM MAN I HAVE A COMPOUND IN VEGAS AND A FLEET OF CARS WITH OFFENSIVE LICENSE PLATES I'M FREAKING THE MUNDANES

Hey, don't knock Penn. I think he's a pretty cool guy. He does awesome magic tricks, exposes bullshit, and doesn't afraid of anything.

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:46:26pm

re: #34 The Curmudgeon

I get mail too. But it's all from Nigeria.

That's the fifth knighthood I've received today! After all those fiefdoms I've inherited according to the nice man on the email, I should be able to afford my own space station

41 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:46:38pm

re: #38 pharmmajor

A little nutty, but still saner than the average democrat or republican. ;3

Really?

Are you a Libertarian?

What do you think this nation needs at the moment?

42 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:46:40pm

Happy Bug is Happy

Image: rvy78i.jpg

43 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:47:37pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

"A man chooses, a slave obeys."

I choose the impossible...

/

44 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:47:39pm

True Liberian proverb:

"You cannot be sitting on some persons head, and says the hair stinks"

45 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:47:47pm

re: #41 jamesfirecat

Really?

Are you a Libertarian?

What do you think this nation needs at the moment?

cheeper beer...it's a national disgrace

46 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:48:21pm

re: #41 jamesfirecat

Really?

Are you a Libertarian?

What do you think this nation needs at the moment?

Getting our troops out of Iraq, eliminating the Patriot Act, legalizing marijuana, prostitution, gambling, and gay marriage/adoption, cutting wasteful spending by the federal government, offering incentives to bring business back to America and create more jobs, just to name a few.

47 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:48:55pm

re: #40 WindUpBird

That's the fifth knighthood I've received today! After all those fiefdoms I've inherited according to the nice man on the email, I should be able to afford my own space station

Emails from Space: the next new scam.

48 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:49:20pm

re: #39 pharmmajor

He's like the crystallization of pseudo-intellectual toughguy.

49 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:49:28pm

re: #35 HoosierHoops

I've been wanting to post this for several years about Mail...
One of the most popular Sports Blogs in the world posts a monthly Mailbag where the sports guy posts questions from his readers with him doing a reply.
Many subjects are covered and to end it he always posts the craziest most wacko emails to him and replies... Yup those are my readers!
Really a fun read and he gets so many hits on the Mailbag thread it's unbelievable...

Link it Hoops!!

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:50:32pm

re: #38 pharmmajor

A little nutty, but still saner than the average democrat or republican. ;3

yeah, i'm afraid I can't go with you there

There's like a billion flavors of libertariansim, so I really don't know which you're into, but the flavor that keeps cropping up on the news (who needs the FDA anyway?) to be about as plausable as "anarcho-syndicalism"

I'm not optimistic enough about human beings and their nature to support anything that begins to resemble libertarianism. I look around my city of Portland, and there is just no way it would exist in anything resembling its current form without very strong state forces keeping it that way, namely its urban growth boundary (prevents sprawl, encourages density, walkable retail, and real city cultre) and its public transit and public-funded bike infrastructure.

51 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:50:41pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Getting our troops out of Iraq, eliminating the Patriot Act, legalizing marijuana, prostitution, gambling, and gay marriage/adoption, cutting wasteful spending by the federal government, offering incentives to bring business back to America and create more jobs, just to name a few.

" Getting our troops out of Iraq, eliminating the Patriot Act, legalizing marijuana, prostitution, gambling, and gay marriage/adoption, "

This I more or less agree with (the sooner we're out of Iraq probably the better, though I don't consider myself well enough versed in the situation to make strong conclusions).

But I do know that I agree there should be no co-sensual crimes.

"offering incentives to bring business back to America and create more jobs, just to name a few."

This I also agree with...

But

"cutting wasteful spending by the federal government,"

What do you consider "wasteful"?

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:51:11pm

re: #45 albusteve

cheeper beer...it's a national disgrace

sixers of Trader Joes' brand pilsener for three bucks! How much cheaper do you want? :D

53 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:51:20pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Link it Hoops!!

I'll link the next mailbag....I think Charles would shred a mailbag thread

54 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:51:39pm

I missed the Bioshock puns :(

55 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:51:49pm

re: #18 windsagio

What if you choose to obey? (yeah, I know, kinky)

Or monastic.

56 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:52:17pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

sixers of Trader Joes' brand pilsener for three bucks! How much cheaper do you want? :D

I'm so gone to Joe's

57 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:53:55pm

re: #53 HoosierHoops

I'll link the next mailbag...I think Charles would shred a mailbag thread

Bill Simmons is the man ...

58 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:02pm

re: #54 JasonA

I missed the Bioshock puns :(

Is a Lizard not entitled to sweat of his brow?

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:06pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Getting our troops out of Iraq, eliminating the Patriot Act, legalizing marijuana, prostitution, gambling, and gay marriage/adoption, cutting wasteful spending by the federal government, offering incentives to bring business back to America and create more jobs, just to name a few.

This isn't really hard ideology as it is stuff that would be nice that moderate liberals and moderate republicans already want. "wasteful spending" is different depending on who you ask. Some people consider social programs by their nature to be "wasteful". I consider defense industry giveaways for machinery we'll never use to be "wasteful". Waste is as predicatble as the sun, you'll never stop humans from wasting stuff.

Are you an actual libertarian, or are you just a moderate who doesn't want to be identified with either major party? ;-)

60 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:06pm

re: #56 albusteve

I'm so gone to Joe's

I don't even drink that much and I'm tempted to take that offer...

61 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:17pm

re: #54 JasonA

I missed the Bioshock puns :(

Would you kindly just make the best of it?

62 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:33pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Getting our troops out of Iraq, eliminating the Patriot Act, legalizing marijuana, prostitution, gambling, and gay marriage/adoption, cutting wasteful spending by the federal government, offering incentives to bring business back to America and create more jobs, just to name a few.

I agree with every one of your points, and stay as far from Paulian/Rand libertarianism as I can.

63 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:38pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

"

This I also agree with...

But

"cutting wasteful spending by the federal government,"

What do you consider "wasteful"?

Well, we've got unnecessary federal institutions (like the Department of Education), removing troops from foreign stations where they are not needed, put an end to bullshit bailouts, look to privatizing government programs like NASA.

64 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:54:50pm

re: #58 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is a Lizard not entitled to sweat of his brow?

3/5
like it or leave it

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:55:42pm

re: #56 albusteve

I'm so gone to Joe's

there's two kinds at Trader Joes, there's "Simpler Times" and "Red Oval". I can't remember which is which. One's like 80 cents more, that's the one to get, the other is a corn adjunct lager which isn't hideous, but it's not very good.

They also have $6 german-style 6-packs which are a pretty good deal, if you're into bocks

66 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:55:59pm

re: #64 albusteve

Very good.

67 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:56:05pm

re: #63 pharmmajor

Well, we've got unnecessary federal institutions (like the Department of Education), removing troops from foreign stations where they are not needed, put an end to bullshit bailouts, look to privatizing government programs like NASA.

D'oh on the DoE idea.
And kiss NASA goodbye. Corps just aren't really interested in space.

68 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:57:04pm

re: #63 pharmmajor

Well, we've got unnecessary federal institutions (like the Department of Education), removing troops from foreign stations where they are not needed, put an end to bullshit bailouts, look to privatizing government programs like NASA.

Why do you consider the Department of Education to be unnecessary?

Also NASA we don't really need anymore, what other government programs do you want to privatize?

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:57:10pm

re: #63 pharmmajor

Well, we've got unnecessary federal institutions (like the Department of Education), removing troops from foreign stations where they are not needed, put an end to bullshit bailouts, look to privatizing government programs like NASA.

THERE'S the outside the mainstream opinion!

This has been a canard since Reagan

70 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:57:43pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Why do you consider the Department of Education to be unnecessary?

Also NASA we don't really need anymore, what other government programs do you want to privatize?

WHAT.
O_o

71 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:58:08pm

re: #69 WindUpBird

THERE'S the outside the mainstream opinion!

This has been a canard since Reagan

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

72 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:58:39pm

re: #71 pharmmajor

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

Oboy.

73 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #71 pharmmajor

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

Heh, well, the Texas SBOE sure makes a great case for Fed involvement...

74 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:59:07pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

WHAT.
O_o

Let me rephrase, because this is an issue that I'm not very well versed in, what is NASA doing that is a nationally important issue like getting to the moon was during the Cold War....

I'm not well versed so I stand open to being corrected....

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #71 pharmmajor

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

Man, are we really going down the "if it's not specificially stated in the constitution straight up, the feds aren't allowed to do it" road? That road is travelled by reLOVEutionaries :(

76 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:59:28pm

re: #71 pharmmajor

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

So if it isn't directly in the constitution we shouldn't be doing it?

77 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:59:50pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

D'oh on the DoE idea.
And kiss NASA goodbye. Corps just aren't really interested in space.

Richard Branson and Elon Musk have shown interest in private space travel.

78 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:00:05pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

D'oh on the DoE idea.
And kiss NASA goodbye. Corps just aren't really interested in space.

Accordin' to who? I know Virgin's already got one SpaceShipTwo (VSS Enterprise) in tests with plans to begin taking up tourists next year, with the second (VSS Voyager) in construction and plans for at least 3 more. Not to mention various work towards private launchers, spaceplanes, and even space stations in one stage of work or another.

79 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:00:24pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Why do you consider the Department of Education to be unnecessary?

Also NASA we don't really need anymore, what other government programs do you want to privatize?


dead weight, a bloated slug that does nothing but eat up tax dollars...and take the NEA with you on your way out

80 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:00:25pm

re: #71 pharmmajor

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

Where does it say I can't store a bunch of m55s full of VX?

81 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:00:27pm

re: #63 pharmmajor

Well, we've got unnecessary federal institutions (like the Department of Education), removing troops from foreign stations where they are not needed, put an end to bullshit bailouts, look to privatizing government programs like NASA.

How would you privatize NASA's research? I find it impossible to see how one could make astronomy, atmospheric research, climate change research, etc., profitable.

NASA does a lot more than fire rockets into space.

82 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:00:45pm

Oops!

Image: 2rqk0t4.jpg

83 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:00:55pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Heh, well, the Texas SBOE sure makes a great case for Fed involvement...

If Texas is going to send their educational program down the crapper, than you have to let them do it. Then when their educational quality suffers compared to the rest of the nation, they will hopefully see their mistakes and change the curriculum to remedy the damage.

84 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:01:19pm

re: #71 pharmmajor

Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government has the authority to regulate educational standards.

incoming shitstorm of blather

85 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:01:24pm

re: #77 pharmmajor

Richard Branson and Elon Musk have shown interest in private space travel.

Yeah, travel.
How about freight?
The pure science that NASA does?
I bet you they wouldn't consider it because there's little profit to be had...

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:01:34pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Heh, well, the Texas SBOE sure makes a great case for Fed involvement...

yeah, exactly

I'll be for eliminating the Dept. of Education when I become confident that there are no longer states whose high schools would turn into tent revivals full of wild-eyed wackos waving snakes over their heads the instant the federal standards were lifted.

This would happen exactly never.

87 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:01:55pm

re: #83 pharmmajor

If Texas is going to send their educational program down the crapper, than you have to let them do it. Then when their educational quality suffers compared to the rest of the nation, they will hopefully see their mistakes and change the curriculum to remedy the damage.

And the nation as a whole will suffer.

What's the term for this kind of thought?

88 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:02:13pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

So if it isn't directly in the constitution we shouldn't be doing it?

Okay, perhaps I took it to a bad hyperbole. What I should have said was that the government may establish its own standards which may not be most beneficial towards students (consider standardized testing).

89 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:02:15pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

So if it isn't directly in the constitution we shouldn't be doing it?

doing what?

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:02:16pm

re: #77 pharmmajor

Richard Branson and Elon Musk have shown interest in private space travel.

Elon Musk should probably be focusing on his fucked up car company at the moment :D

91 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:02:32pm

re: #83 pharmmajor

If Texas is going to send their educational program down the crapper, than you have to let them do it. Then when their educational quality suffers compared to the rest of the nation, they will hopefully see their mistakes and change the curriculum to remedy the damage.

Do you hear how private organizations are going to be changing their textbooks so they can sell to Texas and elsewhere?

Texas may be able to drive the rest of our nation down rather than the rest of the nation dragging Texas up.

That's why we need a federal finger in this pie, and it should be wagging firmly in Texas' direction...

92 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:02:49pm

re: #89 albusteve

doing what?

doing X on the federal level, if X is not stated in the constitution

93 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:03:58pm

re: #83 pharmmajor

If Texas is going to send their educational program down the crapper, than you have to let them do it. Then when their educational quality suffers compared to the rest of the nation, they will hopefully see their mistakes and change the curriculum to remedy the damage.

This, right here, is one of my biggest problems with libertarianism. People must suffer, and then the market will "correct."

What do you think of the FDA, pharmmajor?

94 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:04:04pm

re: #88 pharmmajor

Okay, perhaps I took it to a bad hyperbole. What I should have said was that the government may establish its own standards which may not be most beneficial towards students (consider standardized testing).

The question is, does the harm the government does (through standardized testing) outweigh the gains from it? Such as having a higher power than the Texas school board....

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:04:49pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

Do you hear how private organizations are going to be changing their textbooks so they can sell to Texas and elsewhere?

Texas may be able to drive the rest of our nation down rather than the rest of the nation dragging Texas up.

That's why we need a federal finger in this pie, and it should be wagging firmly in Texas' direction...

I want the federal hand to reach into the pie, pull out the slice marked texas, and then feed it to the dog

Texas' education system is a blight, those people are doing all they can to wholesale rewrite history, they're revolting

96 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:04:58pm

re: #93 JasonA

This, right here, is one of my biggest problems with libertarianism. People must suffer, and then the market will "correct."

What do you think of the FDA, pharmmajor?

[Link: bioshock.wikia.com...]

97 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:05:51pm

re: #93 JasonA

This, right here, is one of my biggest problems with libertarianism. People must suffer, and then the market will "correct."

What do you think of the FDA, pharmmajor?

As a pharmacy student, I can see where the FDA is necessary in keeping harmful drugs from passing through, though there are times when they drag their feet in approving beneficial medications. So they're a necessary evil; an entity that serves a good purpose but needs reform in certain areas.

98 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:05:59pm

re: #92 WindUpBird

doing X on the federal level, if X is not stated in the constitution

like what are the feds doing that the states can't?...can't some sort of federally mandated standards be set in terms of earning federal dollars, and let it go at that?....what does the DofE accomplish?, our kids are more stupid every year

99 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:06:29pm

Redneck Fung Fu

Youtube Video

You too can make your own Dumb-Chucks™

100 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:06:49pm

re: #97 pharmmajor

As a pharmacy student, I can see where the FDA is necessary in keeping harmful drugs from passing through, though there are times when they drag their feet in approving beneficial medications. So they're a necessary evil; an entity that serves a good purpose but needs reform in certain areas.

I'm happy I didn't have to take you to the mat on that one.

101 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:06:52pm

Anyone like to abolish the Nuclear Regulatory Commission?

102 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:06:52pm

re: #63 pharmmajor

....look to privatizing government programs like NASA.

Ironically, one of the things you never hear about is Obama's push to privatize space travel...

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:06:56pm

re: #83 pharmmajor

If Texas is going to send their drag the entire country's educational program down the crapper, than you have to let them do it.

fixed that for you

you don't seem to know a whole lot about education, despite LGF posts specifically detailing the phenomenon of Texas and its outsized influence on the entire country's textbooks

104 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:07:57pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

fixed that for you

you don't seem to know a whole lot about education, despite LGF posts specifically detailing the phenomenon of Texas and its outsized influence on the entire country's textbooks

Well, if you know of a school that's accepting these Texan textbooks, then you know that you don't want to send your kid there.

105 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:08:05pm

re: #85 Varek Raith

Yeah, travel.
How about freight?
The pure science that NASA does?
I bet you they wouldn't consider it because there's little profit to be had...

You're right. Any private company that had lost as much money as NASA has on the Space Shuttle program alone would have long ago gone into liquidation, with a lot of headshaking over how stupid it'd been to put so much money into a program that was built on promises that are unattainable even now.

106 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:08:32pm

re: #104 pharmmajor

Well, if you know of a school that's accepting these Texan textbooks, then you know that you don't want to send your kid there.

What if all the public schools do?

107 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:09:17pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

What if all the public schools do?

don't allow it by federal law

108 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:09:22pm

lol

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

109 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:09:37pm

re: #104 pharmmajor

Well, if you know of a school that's accepting these Texan textbooks, then you know that you don't want to send your kid there.

Also...

I'm sure that your average family just has LOADS of choices about which K-12 school they can send their children to easily, like which ones do bus service to the nearby area....

////Well I'm sure they could always find time to home school their children if they really cared...

110 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:09:39pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

What if all the public schools do?

That's a slippery slope there. There is no way every public school in the country would take books containing junk science.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:09:48pm

re: #98 albusteve

like what are the feds doing that the states can't?...can't some sort of federally mandated standards be set in terms of earning federal dollars, and let it go at that?...what does the DofE accomplish?, our kids are more stupid every year

The DoE is like a leaking dam, it's doing an imperfect job of preventing education standards from sliding into oblivion

I am not for removing the dam, I do not believe that will improve matters, in fact I think it would be a total disaster and it would increase the influence of Texas and its bonkers so-con whitewashing on the rest of the country's educational standards.

112 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:10:13pm

re: #105 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're right. Any private company that had lost as much money as NASA has on the Space Shuttle program alone would have long ago gone into liquidation, with a lot of headshaking over how stupid it'd been to put so much money into a program that was built on promises that are unattainable even now.

I just don't think our level of space travel/exploration and science would be anywhere near where it is now if corporations were in charge. They'd see little profit from most of it.

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:10:40pm

re: #104 pharmmajor

Well, if you know of a school that's accepting these Texan textbooks, then you know that you don't want to send your kid there.

Please read up on this subject, it's a real phenomenon, and you don't understand it well enough for me to continue discussing it with me. :(

114 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:11:01pm

re: #105 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're right. Any private company that had lost as much money as NASA has on the Space Shuttle program alone would have long ago gone into liquidation, with a lot of headshaking over how stupid it'd been to put so much money into a program that was built on promises that are unattainable even now.

It's disingenuous to judge NASA like that, I think. We've all benefited greatly from progress that it has made. If it could make money of off it's research I think you'd be singing a different tune.

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:11:23pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

I just don't think our level of space travel/exploration and science would be anywhere near where it is now if corporations were in charge. They'd see little profit from most of it.

I am all for private companies getting all up into the space travel.

But there still needs to be a NASA

116 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:11:28pm

re: #110 pharmmajor

That's a slippery slope there. There is no way every public school in the country would take books containing junk science.

See my other point in 109 which is a much more valid argument...

117 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:11:38pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

Please read up on this subject, it's a real phenomenon, and you don't understand it well enough for me to continue discussing it with me. :(

I will concede that point. I will research this issue more and, hopefully when we discuss it again, I will be more informed.

118 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:11:53pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

I am all for private companies getting all up into the space travel.

But there still needs to be a NASA

Simply and elegantly said.

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:13:14pm

re: #114 JasonA

It's disingenuous to judge NASA like that, I think. We've all benefited greatly from progress that it has made. If it could make money of off it's research I think you'd be singing a different tune.

There's this really weird and myopic notion in America that government-funded pure research is bad because some guy behind a desk with a firm handshake can't immediately turn it into a hamburger or a mass produced pair of underwear or a mcmansion or a Cadillac.

:(

120 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:13:29pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

The DoE is like a leaking dam, it's doing an imperfect job of preventing education standards from sliding into oblivion

I am not for removing the dam, I do not believe that will improve matters, in fact I think it would be a total disaster and it would increase the influence of Texas and its bonkers so-con whitewashing on the rest of the country's educational standards.

Exactly--let's not be sidetracked by the primitivist's arguments over government program effectiveness. They intend that the programs should not exist at all to satisfy some craving for the 17th century (and all its glories).

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:14:08pm

re: #117 pharmmajor

I will concede that point. I will research this issue more and, hopefully when we discuss it again, I will be more informed.

Charles made a post on the Texas SBOE a month or two ago, Texas should be in the headline

122 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:15:29pm

Placing pure science into the private sector is nonsense. There is far too much pure science that despite being the foundation for practical science is simply not profitable.

123 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:15:29pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

Charles made a post on the Texas SBOE a month or two ago, Texas should be in the headline

I saw that, but the discussions made on how this might, might harm the entire country, have persuaded me to look at it again and see what new developments have prompted this concern.

124 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:16:53pm

God, could you imagine where the AGW debate would be without NASA? A chill just ran down my spine.

125 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:17:06pm

re: #123 pharmmajor

I saw that, but the discussions made on how this might, might harm the entire country, have persuaded me to look at it again and see what new developments have prompted this concern.

Texas's textbook market is so big that the textbook publishers use them as a template for books around the country.

126 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:18:08pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

I am all for private companies getting all up into the space travel.

But there still needs to be a NASA

I can accept that, but it does need to reduce fraud and waste, as does much of the government.

127 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:18:13pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Texas's textbook market is so big that the textbook publishers use them as a template for books around the country.

I see, but again, I doubt that a large number of public schools would accept textbooks that contain blatant pseudo-science and revisionist history.

128 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:18:32pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

I just don't think our level of space travel/exploration and science would be anywhere near where it is now if corporations were in charge. They'd see little profit from most of it.

You're very likely right. What is there to be made from sending three men to the Moon, landing two of them safely for no more than a week, and then returning safely to the Earth. It's great for publicity, and you can spin off the technologies developed into civilian and military products.

But from business standpoint, it's a total wash. What's the point of sending them the Moon if they can't stay for an extended period, can't produce anything that can be sold, and what's there to find is only of interest to scientific types. The profit is in permanent habitation and exploitation of the Moon's resources, with potential for everything from raw materials and low-grav goods to He3 mining.

129 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:18:39pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I can accept that, but it does need to reduce fraud and waste, as does much of the government.

I can accept that as well. I apologize for not saying it earlier.

130 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:18:44pm

re: #127 pharmmajor

I see, but again, I doubt that a large number of public schools would accept textbooks that contain blatant pseudo-science and revisionist history.

They will if they're coming from the lowest bidder.

131 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:19:07pm

re: #122 b_sharp

Placing pure science into the private sector is nonsense. There is far too much pure science that despite being the foundation for practical science is simply not profitable.

i quite agree. and i'm a *shudder* conservative...

132 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:19:10pm

re: #130 JasonA

They will if they're coming from the lowest bidder.

Do you have any examples?

133 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:19:17pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Texas's textbook market is so big that the textbook publishers use them as a template for books around the country.

I do place some onus for that on the other 49 state boards as well. I'm sure that if they got their acts together they could collectively call McGraw Hill and say "we're not going to purchase the texas school books, so make sure you have another option available..."

134 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:19:35pm

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

i quite agree. and i'm a *shudder* conservative...

I feel a disturbance in the Force...

135 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:19:53pm

re: #114 JasonA

It's disingenuous to judge NASA like that, I think. We've all benefited greatly from progress that it has made. If it could make money of off it's research I think you'd be singing a different tune.

The tune I'm singing is that realization that the Space Shuttle was a boondoggle, a white elephant that NASA conned Congress not only into funding, but funding the construction of several based upon promises they never fulfilled. Like with Apollo before it, the Shuttle was a scientific wonder, a technological first. But it never lived up anywhere near what NASA sold it as.

136 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:20:14pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I can accept that, but it does need to reduce fraud and waste, as does much of the government.

Waste I can understand, but what fraud are you talking about?

137 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:21:01pm

re: #127 pharmmajor

I see, but again, I doubt that a large number of public schools would accept textbooks that contain blatant pseudo-science and revisionist history.

It all depends, are they allowed to? Would it cost them a lot more to get effective text books?

138 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:21:03pm

If we were forced to adopt the world of the washed-in-the-blood foot-washin' constitutionalists, we could could safely support a population of 10s of milliions, with early steam technology (if we could stand the railroad fatalities). The frickin' Erie Canal violates their thinking.

139 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:21:05pm

re: #132 pharmmajor

Do you have any examples?

Examples of something that hasn't happened yet? No, I can't make those up... Though I do see schools in my area, the pretty-well off Westchester County, cutting budgets and laying off significant numbers of staff.

140 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:21:11pm

Is the DoD fair game for going after waste and fraud?

141 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:21:46pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

I feel a disturbance in the Force...

conservatism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be...unnatural;)

142 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:22:15pm

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

i quite agree. and i'm a *shudder* conservative...

I, for one, am willing to forgive you.

You forgave me for being an atheist.

;P

143 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:22:22pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Is the DoD fair game for going after waste and fraud?

yep

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:22:46pm

re: #136 b_sharp

Fake moon landing.

145 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:23:12pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Is the DoD fair game for going after waste and fraud?

Yes.

Same as Health and Human Services, and any other government agency.

146 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:23:13pm

re: #139 JasonA

Examples of something that hasn't happened yet? No, I can't make those up... Though I do see schools in my area, the pretty-well off Westchester County, cutting budgets and laying off significant numbers of staff.

It hasn't happened yet, so that is a good sign. And the school budget cuts in your area, while unfortunate, doesn't automatically suggest that they will accept texts filled with misinformation.

147 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:23:35pm

re: #143 Aceofwhat?

yep

I only ask because when I hear pundits on tv/congresscritters they always go for the small stuff while ignoring the big stuff.

148 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:23:42pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fake moon landing.

what's shakin', nonbacon?

149 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:24:06pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fake moon landing.

Damn, I forgot about that one.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:24:37pm

re: #148 Aceofwhat?

Four cheeks and a couple of chins.
-Norm Peterson

151 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:24:54pm

re: #146 pharmmajor

It hasn't happened yet, so that is a good sign. And the school budget cuts in your area, while unfortunate, doesn't automatically suggest that they will accept texts filled with misinformation.

Okay, but they still have to pay for these things somehow. I don't think I'm way off by suggesting that they may choose to go with whatever is the most affordable option. Why do you seem to have more faith in government in this area than I do? :P

152 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:25:35pm

re: #149 b_sharp

Damn, I forgot about that one.

Never forget...

Youtube Video
153 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:25:36pm

re: #146 pharmmajor

It hasn't happened yet, so that is a good sign. And the school budget cuts in your area, while unfortunate, doesn't automatically suggest that they will accept texts filled with misinformation.


How about we look at how the past can predict the future?

Has anyone in the past ever selected a low cost product that seems to be at least mildly functional over a more cost expensive one that is fully functional?

Well lets see, people used to buy Yugos so I think we have our answer....

154 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:26:21pm

re: #153 jamesfirecat

How about we look at how the past can predict the future?

Has anyone in the past ever selected a low cost product that seems to be at least mildly functional over a more cost expensive one that is fully functional?

Well lets see, people used to buy Yugos so I think we have our answer...

I'd like to think we're a little wiser as a society now... for the most part.

155 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:26:57pm

re: #154 pharmmajor

I'd like to think we're a little wiser as a society now... for the most part.

Really???

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:27:25pm

re: #152 JasonA

Oh gosh, that makes me so damn happy.

Slo-mo over and over and over...

157 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:28:19pm

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh gosh, that makes me so damn happy.

Slo-mo over and over and over...

I'm not usually one to promote the use of violence, but that guy had it coming.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:28:33pm

Y'all solve the world's problems tonight, okay? I'm going to sleep.

159 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:28:41pm

re: #157 JasonA

I'm not usually one to promote the use of violence, but that guy had it coming.

Indeed!

160 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:28:47pm

re: #153 jamesfirecat

How about we look at how the past can predict the future?

Has anyone in the past ever selected a low cost product that seems to be at least mildly functional over a more cost expensive one that is fully functional?

Well lets see, people used to buy Yugos so I think we have our answer...

Pontiac Fiero.

161 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:28:51pm

re: #155 JasonA

Really???

So I'm an optimist...

162 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:29:05pm

re: #154 pharmmajor

I'd like to think we're a little wiser as a society now... for the most part.

Really?

Twilight is not only a successful series of books, but also of movies.

Your witness.

163 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:29:21pm

re: #157 JasonA

I'm not usually one to promote the use of violence, but that guy had it coming.

I love that clip.

164 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:29:24pm

re: #157 JasonA

I'm not usually one to promote the use of violence, but that guy had it coming.

Even if he wasn't a national hero; the man is pushing 80. Have some damned respect!

165 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:29:54pm

re: #162 jamesfirecat

Really?

Twilight is not only a successful series of books, but also of movies.

Your witness.

The main audience is teens, not adults. They still have years to learn from their mistakes before they become productive members of society.

166 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:30:33pm

re: #165 pharmmajor

The main audience is teens, not adults. They still have years to learn from their mistakes before they become productive members of society.

NOT BEFORE THEY UTTERLY DESTROY THE AWESOMENESS OF VAMPIRES!!11!
:/

167 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:31:10pm

re: #162 jamesfirecat

Really?

Twilight is not only a successful series of books, but also of movies.

Your witness.

Do ya one better: American Idol. 9 seasons and still going. *shudders*

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:31:21pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

NOT BEFORE THEY UTTERLY DESTROY THE AWESOMENESS OF VAMPIRES!!11!
:/

Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt got that ball rolling, IMO.

169 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:31:33pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

I only ask because when I hear pundits on tv/congresscritters they always go for the small stuff while ignoring the big stuff.

what conservatives say: smaller government!

what conservatives should be saying: many, but not all sectors of our government could benefit greatly from a far sterner focus on deliverables, quality, and cost control...with the results to weigh heavily on the performance reviews of the managers and directors in the government.

there is a heavy focus efficiency that has evolved in many private organizations because their survival requires it; most governments, ours included, would serve us better by adopting a similar focus in some areas.

(i say 'some' because other areas, like the pursuit of research for the sake of research, is about the pursuit more than the deliverable)

unfortunately, too many conservatives can't properly understand or articulate the concept of cost-efficient, deliverable-driven processes and so they say "smaller government1!" instead.

170 CSKapper  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:31:38pm

I agree. I recently resigned from my local Republican Executive Committee because of the ridiculousness that is the right-wing in the party.

171 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:32:17pm

re: #165 pharmmajor

The main audience is teens, not adults. They still have years to learn from their mistakes before they become productive members of society.

Fine then.

Our current audience of adults refused to consider Arrested Development, or Firefly good shows by and large.

172 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:32:46pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

what conservatives say: smaller government!

what conservatives should be saying: many, but not all sectors of our government could benefit greatly from a far sterner focus on deliverables, quality, and cost control...with the results to weigh heavily on the performance reviews of the managers and directors in the government.

there is a heavy focus efficiency that has evolved in many private organizations because their survival requires it; most governments, ours included, would serve us better by adopting a similar focus in some areas.

(i say 'some' because other areas, like the pursuit of research for the sake of research, is about the pursuit more than the deliverable)

unfortunately, too many conservatives can't properly understand or articulate the concept of cost-efficient, deliverable-driven processes and so they say "smaller government1!" instead.

It's like, you're sane or something!
:)
Nicely said.

173 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:32:47pm

re: #167 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Do ya one better: American Idol. 9 seasons and still going. *shudders*

For reference, that is three times as many seasons of Arrested Development....

174 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:32:55pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

what conservatives say: smaller government!

what conservatives should be saying: many, but not all sectors of our government could benefit greatly from a far sterner focus on deliverables, quality, and cost control...with the results to weigh heavily on the performance reviews of the managers and directors in the government.

there is a heavy focus efficiency that has evolved in many private organizations because their survival requires it; most governments, ours included, would serve us better by adopting a similar focus in some areas.

(i say 'some' because other areas, like the pursuit of research for the sake of research, is about the pursuit more than the deliverable)

unfortunately, too many conservatives can't properly understand or articulate the concept of cost-efficient, deliverable-driven processes and so they say "smaller government1!" instead.

That needs more than one upding.

175 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:33:06pm

re: #171 jamesfirecat

Fine then.

Our current audience of adults refused to consider Arrested Development, or Firefly good shows by and large.

Philistines.

176 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:33:26pm

Evening all..

177 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:33:36pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

what conservatives say: smaller government!

what conservatives should be saying: many, but not all sectors of our government could benefit greatly from a far sterner focus on deliverables, quality, and cost control...with the results to weigh heavily on the performance reviews of the managers and directors in the government.

there is a heavy focus efficiency that has evolved in many private organizations because their survival requires it; most governments, ours included, would serve us better by adopting a similar focus in some areas.

(i say 'some' because other areas, like the pursuit of research for the sake of research, is about the pursuit more than the deliverable)

unfortunately, too many conservatives can't properly understand or articulate the concept of cost-efficient, deliverable-driven processes and so they say "smaller government1!" instead.

Vote Ace 2010...

178 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:34:02pm

re: #173 jamesfirecat

For reference, that is three times as many seasons of Arrested Development...

By the end of next season it will be twice as many as The Wire. Which only had 10-13 episodes per season in the first place...

179 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:34:17pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

what conservatives say: smaller government!

what conservatives should be saying: many, but not all sectors of our government could benefit greatly from a far sterner focus on deliverables, quality, and cost control...with the results to weigh heavily on the performance reviews of the managers and directors in the government.

there is a heavy focus efficiency that has evolved in many private organizations because their survival requires it; most governments, ours included, would serve us better by adopting a similar focus in some areas.

(i say 'some' because other areas, like the pursuit of research for the sake of research, is about the pursuit more than the deliverable)

unfortunately, too many conservatives can't properly understand or articulate the concept of cost-efficient, deliverable-driven processes and so they say "smaller government1!" instead.

Well Said!

180 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:34:20pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

NOT BEFORE THEY UTTERLY DESTROY THE AWESOMENESS OF VAMPIRES!!11!
:/

I will try to change my daughter's Twilight fan art into my avatar. It is Mrs. Bella and Mr. Edward Cullen. I might have to shrink it down too much. It is a 2' x 3' portrait study.

181 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:34:43pm

re: #171 jamesfirecat

Fine then.

Our current audience of adults refused to consider Arrested Development, or Firefly good shows by and large.

I think in Firefly's, it has more to do with Fox simply not liking Joss Whedon.

182 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:34:44pm

re: #177 ShaunP

Vote Ace 2010...

Yeah, Ace is one of my favorite Conservatives on this blog. Loves me some Ace.

183 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:35:12pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think in Firefly's, it has more to do with Fox simply not liking Joss Whedon.

And yet he keeps going back...

184 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:35:25pm

re: #182 JasonA

Yeah, Ace is one of my favorite Conservatives on this blog. Loves me some Ace.

In bed.

...

Way too easy there, chief!

185 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:36:13pm

re: #182 JasonA

Yeah, Ace is one of my favorite Conservatives on this blog. Loves me some Ace.

He's one of them? Hell, I want my dings back.

186 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:36:15pm

re: #171 jamesfirecat

Fine then.

Our current audience of adults refused to consider Arrested Development, or Firefly good shows by and large.

The Big Bang Theory is still on, and in the two cases you mentioned executive meddling had a great role to play in the ending of those great series as well (along with Invader Zim... God I loved that show)

187 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:36:59pm

Doesn't all come down to effective government regardless of the quantity?

If government is effective in protecting the population from the unscrupulous either external or internal, would it matter how big it is?

188 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:37:13pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

In bed.

...

Way too easy there, chief!

I like spreading the wealth :P

189 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:37:28pm

re: #183 JasonA

And yet he keeps going back...

I don't think he has much choice these days. WB and UPN are both gone, with CW not pulling in anywhere near the number of viewers the former two used to.

190 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:37:32pm

re: #188 JasonA

I like spreading the wealth :P

SOSHULIST! :)

191 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:37:34pm

re: #171 jamesfirecat

Fine then.

Our current audience of adults refused to consider Arrested Development, or Firefly good shows by and large.

Firefly stunk... Arrested Development was comic genius.

192 tnguitarist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:37:42pm

re: #165 pharmmajor

The main audience is teens, not adults. They still have years to learn from their mistakes before they become productive members of society.

Wrong. I used to run a movie store. At least half of the Twilight fans were moms.

193 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:37:56pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

"The struggle between the opponents and defenders of capitalism is a struggle between innovators who do not know what innovation to make and conservatives who do not know what to conserve."

-Simone Weil

194 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:03pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Firefly stunk... Arrested Development was comic genius.

I would have said just the opposite.

195 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:12pm

re: #189 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't think he has much choice these days. WB and UPN are both gone, with CW not pulling in anywhere near the number of viewers the former two used to.

Did Windupbird flounce?

196 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:20pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Firefly stunk...

You're dead to me.

///

197 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:32pm

re: #186 pharmmajor

The Big Bang Theory is still on, and in the two cases you mentioned executive meddling had a great role to play in the ending of those great series as well (along with Invader Zim... God I loved that show)

Rubert Murdoch, the way he ruins some serieses I love while maintaining others (Simpsons, Amercian Dad) is a perfect metaphore for how America feels about a man who has us by the balls when it comes to his media empire....

198 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:32pm

re: #194 PT Barnum

I would have said just the opposite.

I know you would.

199 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:33pm

re: #192 tnguitarist

Wrong. I used to run a movie store. At least half of the Twilight fans were moms.

Co-signed. If I never hear a 40-something woman gush about Edward again, it will be too soon...

200 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:44pm

re: #196 JasonA

You're dead to me.

///

And that's news?

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:38:55pm

re: #136 b_sharp

Waste I can understand, but what fraud are you talking about?

Sometimes contractors and DoD employees do engage in fraud. It's not systemic in the way waste is, but it does occur and needs to be addressed when it does.

202 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:39:00pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Firefly stunk... Arrested Development was comic genius.

What was wrong with Firefly?

203 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:39:14pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Firefly stunk... Arrested Development was comic genius.


Image: 903558_big.jpg

204 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:39:16pm

re: #194 PT Barnum

I would have said just the opposite.

What was wrong with Arested Development?

205 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

I know you would.

But then again, I know we disagree on the genius of Lost as well, so it's not unexpected that you would know that I would say that.

206 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:40:04pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

What was wrong with Arested Development?

too close to home for some folks...

207 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:40:11pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

What was wrong with Arested Development?

I'm rediscovering arrested development on netflix now. It's pretty damned brilliant. Like >4 seasons brilliant...

208 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:41:00pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

What was wrong with Arested Development?

I tried watching it a few times and it just didn't make me laugh. But then I watch very little television in the first place (with the exception of Dr. Who, which is a regular Saturday night event for Mrs. Barnum and me. In bed.)

209 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:41:00pm

Fox is to good shows as...
Fox is to news.
:P

210 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:41:45pm

re: #202 jamesfirecat

What was wrong with Firefly?

I liked it, but it really was another too full of itself 'sci-fi soap opera'.

211 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:41:47pm

re: #151 JasonA

Okay, but they still have to pay for these things somehow. I don't think I'm way off by suggesting that they may choose to go with whatever is the most affordable option. Why do you seem to have more faith in government in this area than I do? :P

i said it when we were talking about the Texas schoolbooks thing and i'll say it again. production costs for textbooks, like any other book, aren't scalable past a certain point. If, for example, Florida public schools all purchase the same history book...they won't get any better cost by ordering the Texas book as opposed to a different one, unless they're paying for some sort of special customization (which would mean they weren't ever interested in the Texas book in the first place).

make sense?

there are a lot of schoolbook players out there. the Texas decisions are deplorable enough with regard to the kids in Texas now forced to read the damn things. no need to create nontroversies which detract our energy from the legitimate outrage, which is the unfortunate kids in Texas.

212 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:05pm

I have never figured what is up with the execs at Fox. Some good shows they killed outright, others they play around with them for half a season or more (changing airing times/order, no advertising), or just let them go on to the point where most of the fans are begging for the execs to show some mercy and pull the plug.

213 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:11pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

Fox is to good shows as...
Fox is to news.
:P

Almost. They do have good shows. They just don't like keeping them.

214 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:21pm

re: #14 windsagio

Libertarians (left or right) tend to be a little nutty :p

but they do throw the best parties.

215 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:22pm

re: #208 PT Barnum

I tried watching it a few times and it just didn't make me laugh. But then I watch very little television in the first place (with the exception of Dr. Who, which is a regular Saturday night event for Mrs. Barnum and me. In bed.)

I also didn't like Seinfeld all that much, or Friends or South Park or even Bevis and Butthead, so I'm probably just out of the mainstream... :)

216 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:24pm

re: #210 windsagio

I liked it, but it really was another too full of itself 'sci-fi soap opera'.

So many nonbelievers!

217 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:32pm

re: #208 PT Barnum

I tried watching it a few times and it just didn't make me laugh. But then I watch very little television in the first place (with the exception of Dr. Who, which is a regular Saturday night event for Mrs. Barnum and me. In bed.)

You sort of need to properly watch it episodically starting from the first episode and watching one episode at a time.

Netflix really is one of the best ways to go, that or buy the DVDs, though Netflix is probably a lot cheaper.

218 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:34pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

NOT BEFORE THEY UTTERLY DESTROY THE AWESOMENESS OF VAMPIRES!!11!
:/

True Blood. 'nuff said/

219 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:38pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

what conservatives say: smaller government!

what conservatives should be saying: many, but not all sectors of our government could benefit greatly from a far sterner focus on deliverables, quality, and cost control...with the results to weigh heavily on the performance reviews of the managers and directors in the government.

there is a heavy focus efficiency that has evolved in many private organizations because their survival requires it; most governments, ours included, would serve us better by adopting a similar focus in some areas.

(i say 'some' because other areas, like the pursuit of research for the sake of research, is about the pursuit more than the deliverable)

unfortunately, too many conservatives can't properly understand or articulate the concept of cost-efficient, deliverable-driven processes and so they say "smaller government1!" instead.

The problem is that it is very hard for a politician to get an idea that won't fit onto a bumper sticker across to the voters. Most voters simply don't pay enough attention and the media often will not give a candidate the time to articulate a real idea. Hence slogans often substitute for ideas.

The other fact is that some politicos simply aren't too bright. But that's not problem worth dwelling on, since you can't fix stupid.

220 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:42:51pm

re: #214 RogueOne

but they do throw the best parties.

I thought that was anarchists?

221 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:43:11pm

re: #210 windsagio

I liked it, but it really was another too full of itself 'sci-fi soap opera'.

must...not...downding...must...resist...

222 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:43:16pm

re: #212 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I have never figured what is up with the execs at Fox. Some good shows they killed outright, others they play around with them for half a season or more (changing airing times/order, no advertising), or just let them go on to the point where most of the fans are begging for the execs to show some mercy and pull the plug.

Those idiots at the Box Network, were beaten up and ground into Torgo's executive powder which has 101 uses, such as relieving my jock itch!

223 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:43:17pm

re: #202 jamesfirecat

What was wrong with Firefly?

Cheap ass space western, I don't like westerns, certainly don't like them in space, don't like space opera period, to much like a soap opera... screwed up seasons, strange releases of material at odd times, and full length feature sort of out of nowhere, some of that is probably Fox's fault, but a the same time, a good producer would have a bit better handle on his material...

Same thing happened to "Dollhouse." Not bad, then they released that "extra" on the DVD series, sort of the game changer for the rest of the series, BEFORE THE REST OF THE SERIES started... what the fuck was that all about? Spoiling your own series with extra material on the 1st season DVD?

Stupid. Wheaton (sp?) needs to better manage his properties.

224 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:43:25pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

So many nonbelievers!

Just about, I'm a massive curmudgeon about science fiction.

I also thought the new Battlestar Galactica was utter utter crap :p

225 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:43:26pm

re: #213 JasonA

Almost. They do have good shows. They just don't like keeping them.

They seem to be getting somewhat better about it. House is still around and Fringe got picked up for another season.

226 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:43:37pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

must...not...downding...must...resist...

GIVE IT TO ME! I CAN TAKE IT!

227 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:44:34pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

must...not...downding...must...resist...

Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

228 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:44:40pm

re: #226 windsagio

GIVE IT TO ME! I CAN TAKE IT!

beg for it...

229 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:44:52pm

re: #177 ShaunP

Vote Ace 2010...

heh. i'd never drag my family through that process, even if i was remotely interested.

nah, i'll hang here and do my best to have honest discussions with honest people instead...

(hug, anyone?)

230 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:45:02pm

re: #187 PT Barnum

Doesn't all come down to effective government regardless of the quantity?

If government is effective in protecting the population from the unscrupulous either external or internal, would it matter how big it is?

That's where I think the future of conservatism is going to be. Smaller government has become a pretty much meaningless and impractical talking point. It's never going to happen. More efficient government is the better goal.

231 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:45:09pm

re: #224 windsagio

Just about, I'm a massive curmudgeon about science fiction.

I also thought the new Battlestar Galactica was utter utter crap :p

Get thee from out mine sight!

///

232 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:45:43pm

re: #225 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They seem to be getting somewhat better about it. House is still around and Fringe got picked up for another season.

I will watch fringe when the wife has it on, and I like it, I just don't like TV all that much..the wife, on the other hand is an omnivore.

Some of the crap she watches, like the Judge shows and the ghost shows drive me nuts to the point that I have to leave the room or I tend to make snarky comments that she takes exception to.

233 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:45:49pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

True Blood. 'nuff said/

Well, that show is on HBO. While not every HBO series is great (John from Cincinnati was a one season and out two-three years ago), HBO and showtime shows are consistently better than their broadcast counterparts. But part of that is that they have freedoms broadcast shows do not.

234 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:45:57pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Get thee from out mine sight!

///

I think we have our troll for the night!
///

235 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:46:09pm

re: #228 brookly red

As Anub'Arak says, "Kinky!"

236 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:46:10pm

re: #229 Aceofwhat?

heh. i'd never drag my family through that process, even if i was remotely interested.

nah, i'll hang here and do my best to have honest discussions with honest people instead...

(hug, anyone?)

How about an upding instead?

237 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:46:13pm

re: #224 windsagio

I also thought the new Battlestar Galactica was utter utter crap :p


Has anyone ever been given a timeout due to a geek fight? Will I be the first...?

238 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:46:15pm

re: #214 RogueOne

but they do throw the best parties.

Hey you Hoosier! How goes it? Hot in Oklahoma..I mean really hot and Humid...
Hope you are well today

239 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:46:37pm

Another no-hitter in the works. ESPN.

240 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:46:40pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #234 Varek Raith

(GWB voice) Bring it on! You think I can't defend my point?!

241 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:02pm

re: #227 JasonA

Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

Embrace the Dark Side!

242 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:03pm

re: #239 Stanley Sea

NO SPORTS WHILE WE'RE BEING NERDY!

243 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:05pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes contractors and DoD employees do engage in fraud. It's not systemic in the way waste is, but it does occur and needs to be addressed when it does.

Gotcha.

244 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:10pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Hey you Hoosier! How goes it? Hot in Oklahoma..I mean really hot and Humid...
Hope you are well today

That's par... If you're warm, take off your cowboy hat.

245 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:14pm

I see the wingnuts are still hellbent on smearing Sharrod without a clue how bad it makes them look. Lucky for them nobody else is still paying attention. This is just another step for the conservatives away from reality.

246 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:14pm

re: #240 windsagio

re: #234 Varek Raith

(GWB voice) Bring it on! You think I can't defend my point?!

Who cares?
GEEKFANBOYRAAAGGGEEE>FACTS.

247 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:29pm

Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my

248 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:47pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

That's where I think the future of conservatism is going to be. Smaller government has become a pretty much meaningless and impractical talking point. It's never going to happen.

Do you think that is one of the reasons the Tea Partying crowd is entwining anarchist tendencies - they know that the old mantra of "smaller government" is a loser, and emotionally they need to vest themselves in anything that is not "government"?

249 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:51pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Well, that show is on HBO. While not every HBO series is great (John from Cincinnati was a one season and out two-three years ago), HBO and showtime shows are consistently better than their broadcast counterparts. But part of that is that they have freedoms broadcast shows do not.

I'm starting to think that programs made without commercial breaks also have much better pacing. No need to time a beat just so the sponsors have their say. Just a theory.

250 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:47:55pm

Garza did it!

251 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:48:12pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my

ERROR IN LINE 3, DOES NOT COMPUTE!

252 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:48:24pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my

What is this suppose to be?

253 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:48:31pm

re: #248 freetoken

Do you think that is one of the reasons the Tea Partying crowd is entwining anarchist tendencies - they know that the old mantra of "smaller government" is a loser, and emotionally they need to vest themselves in anything that is not "government"?

or at least government with non whites at the top.

254 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:48:47pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I see the wingnuts are still hellbent on smearing Sharrod without a clue how bad it makes them look. Lucky for them nobody else is still paying attention. This is just another step for the conservatives away from reality.

Still trying to decide if it's better that these folks are out in the open or if they would be better off under a rock somewhere...

255 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:48:49pm

re: #252 jamesfirecat

What is this suppose to be?

Ph34r teh Muslims!

256 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:14pm

re: #247 Spare O'Lake

Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my

I figured it was only a matter of time before you wound up mocking yourself. Congratulations.

257 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:15pm

re: #252 jamesfirecat

What is this suppose to be?

Bombers, Fanatics, and Mosques, Oh My!

258 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:18pm

re: #220 windsagio

I thought that was anarchists?

No, anarchist parties are always BYOB, usually a Molotov, and they always get raided by the cops.

259 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:20pm

re: #251 windsagio

actually I murdered that response, should have done it this way:

10 Print "Usual Radical Muslim Alerts"
20 Print "Oh my"
30 Print Goto 10

(can't rember if you need to put line breaks in basic or not)

260 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:24pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Well, that show is on HBO. While not every HBO series is great (John from Cincinnati was a one season and out two-three years ago), HBO and showtime shows are consistently better than their broadcast counterparts. But part of that is that they have freedoms broadcast shows do not.

indeed. about half of that show could never be put on broadcast. of course, that has absolutely nothing to do with why my wife and i like it/

261 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:35pm
I’ll admit that I veered away from LGF when the tone of your site started to change and I noticed more attacks against Republicans and Conservatives rather than the usual radical-muslim alerts. But after months of finding frothing at the mouth hatred, racism and close-mindedness throughout the right-wing blogosphere, I’ll have to admit that you saw how things were moving much sooner than me. Keep up the good work.

Was the frothing white foam and flying spittle your first clue, or was it the non-sensical logic lacking content of the outrageous outrages they have been making up every day or two? :p

262 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:37pm

re: #259 windsagio

also dammit

30 Goto 10

pimf.

263 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:49:39pm

Zoe the kitten was given some valium at about noon today. I thought for sure she'd take a nap but she's been stumbling around for 7 hours talking constantly. I sure hope she crashes soon, I'm afraid to give her the next does before bedtime. She could be up all night.

264 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:17pm

re: #259 windsagio

actually I murdered that response, should have done it this way:

10 Print "Usual Radical Muslim Alerts"
20 Print "Oh my"
30 Print Goto 10

(can't rember if you need to put line breaks in basic or not)

Drop print from line 30

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:28pm

re: #259 windsagio

actually I murdered that response, should have done it this way:

10 Print "Usual Radical Muslim Alerts"
20 Print "Oh my"
30 Print Goto 10

(can't rember if you need to put line breaks in basic or not)

Line 30 will give you a "variable not found" error. That won't work.

266 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:38pm

re: #264 darthstar

yeah yeah, I caught it too late, my kingdom for an edit function :D

267 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:40pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Zoe the kitten was given some valium at about noon today. I thought for sure she'd take a nap but she's been stumbling around for 7 hours talking constantly. I sure hope she crashes soon, I'm afraid to give her the next does before bedtime. She could be up all night.

Why was she given valium..did she have a hissy fit? Or was she coming down off the catnip?

268 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:42pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Well, that show is on HBO. While not every HBO series is great (John from Cincinnati was a one season and out two-three years ago), HBO and showtime shows are consistently better than their broadcast counterparts. But part of that is that they have freedoms broadcast shows do not.

I have a soft spot for Showtime, as they not only revived The Outer Limits, but also created Stargate: SG-1 and Dead Like Me.

269 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:44pm

lol

Image: kagan-softball-shirt.jpg

270 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:53pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

That's where I think the future of conservatism is going to be. Smaller government has become a pretty much meaningless and impractical talking point. It's never going to happen. More efficient government is the better goal.

Zactly.

What America needs right now is a lean, mean, Government Machine™

271 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:50:57pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Hey you Hoosier! How goes it? Hot in Oklahoma..I mean really hot and Humid...
Hope you are well today

Hope you're enjoying yourself. Still living in a hotel?

272 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:51:04pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Zoe the kitten was given some valium at about noon today.

PUSHER!!

273 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:51:17pm

re: #254 ShaunP

Still trying to decide if it's better that these folks are out in the open or if they would be better off under a rock somewhere...

It's a tough call. Strategically it might be better to let them run with it. The alternate reality they are creating is going to just marginalize them further.

274 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:51:18pm

re: #259 windsagio

actually I murdered that response, should have done it this way:

10 Print "Usual Radical Muslim Alerts"
20 Print "Oh my"
30 Print Goto 10

(can't rember if you need to put line breaks in basic or not)

Very basic humor, that gag. ;)

275 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:51:38pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Zoe the kitten was given some valium at about noon today. I thought for sure she'd take a nap but she's been stumbling around for 7 hours talking constantly. I sure hope she crashes soon, I'm afraid to give her the next does before bedtime. She could be up all night.

well that is what kittens do...

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:51:50pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Line 30 will give you a "variable not found" error. That won't work.

not in BASIC it won't!

277 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:52:01pm

I'm out.
Night!

278 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:52:13pm

re: #262 windsagio

also dammit

30 Goto 10

pimf.

Of course, you know the reason Basic was done in increments of 10...lack of editing ability so if you needed to add a statement, you could put in an 11, or 14 or whatever came between 10 and 20...after that, you had to "goto 100" and keep a pointer to goto 19 to get you back. Ugly, ugly code that was.

279 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:52:13pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

I was trying to remember how to do that same thing in C++, but its been too long :(

280 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:52:32pm

re: #248 freetoken

Do you think that is one of the reasons the Tea Partying crowd is entwining anarchist tendencies - they know that the old mantra of "smaller government" is a loser, and emotionally they need to vest themselves in anything that is not "government"?

my still-evolving pet theory (it's quite new, so please feel free to refine it) is that they are simply not smart enough to make defined intellectual steps from their vague notion that we could often be better served by our government to articulating precisely what they'd do about it; the vague notions are turned into unhelpful slogans and forgettable proposals, and voila. tea, bags, and leaves. or teabags and leaves. the commas matter...

in short: what Frank said above.

281 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:52:51pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Very basic humor, that gag. ;)

Do While GOP.sanity = false
Print "Outrageous Outrage"
Loop

282 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:04pm

re: #278 darthstar

Oh I totally know! I spent alot of time with basic back when I was a kid, my grandfather gave me my first programs to mess with :D

283 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:11pm

re: #268 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I have a soft spot for Showtime, as they not only revived The Outer Limits, but also created Stargate: SG-1 and Dead Like Me.

Well, Dead Like Me only lasted two seasons (though it did recently get a movie follow-on, which it deserved) but it was still good. Showtime also brought Dexter Morgan to the screen, for which I am very grateful.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:23pm

re: #225 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They seem to be getting somewhat better about it. House is still around and Fringe got picked up for another season.

Fringe is cool, I don't watch a whole lot of TV but I have dug episodes of that show mightily

285 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:44pm

re: #278 darthstar

Of course, you know the reason Basic was done in increments of 10...lack of editing ability so if you needed to add a statement, you could put in an 11, or 14 or whatever came between 10 and 20...after that, you had to "goto 100" and keep a pointer to goto 19 to get you back. Ugly, ugly code that was.

yeah..I wrote some basic code that came with a side order of marinara and meatballs back in the day.

286 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:44pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

True Blood. 'nuff said/

It has naked Sookie. Nuff said.

287 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:49pm

re: #252 jamesfirecat

What is this suppose to be?

This is my way of asking if attacking the right and attacking radical Islam is an either-or proposition.
I have never seen it that way.

288 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:54:06pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Very basic humor, that gag. ;)

Know what Bender's favorite beer is?

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

Well, Dead Like Me only lasted two seasons (though it did recently get a movie follow-on, which it deserved) but it was still good. Showtime also brought Dexter Morgan to the screen, for which I am very grateful.

Dead Like Me was great :D

290 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:54:22pm

Went from geeking out about scifi and fantasy shows to arguing over programming in BASIC. Yowza.

291 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:54:32pm

re: #267 PT Barnum

Why was she given valium..did she have a hissy fit? Or was she coming down off the catnip?

She stared attacking my other cat Matilda a few days ago. They've always been best pals so I thought that maybe she was sick or in pain. I took them into the vet today and they both checked out fine. She's been pretty agitated and they are doing construction in front of my house so the vet have her a weeks worth of valium to help her stay calm. She's happy but not terribly calm. They'be been repaving my street all day and they're still going at it now. Maybe I'll help myself to some valium if they don't knock it off soon.

292 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:54:51pm

re: #289 WindUpBird

Dead Like Me was great :D

Very much underrated show. Nice and quirky with good writing.

293 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:54:54pm

re: #267 PT Barnum

Why was she given valium..did she have a hissy fit? Or was she coming down off the catnip?

Went for a well-kitty checkup. Vet left the room with his script on the desk.

294 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:55:04pm

re: #290 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

More correcting. I'm annoyed at myself that I screwed up a chance to argue about modern scifi/fantasy :D

295 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:55:07pm

Sorry to show up so late to the conversation (interesting FB conversations beckoned involving Scott Brown and Star Trek!), but I'm very glad someone who initially grated at your critique of the wingnuttery afoot has now come to see that it as the craziness it is. Kudos Charles. It's nice to get occasional positive feedback.

296 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:55:37pm

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

Well, Dead Like Me only lasted two seasons (though it did recently get a movie follow-on, which it deserved) but it was still good. Showtime also brought Dexter Morgan to the screen, for which I am very grateful.

I had kinda hoped that Scifi (or Syfy now) might, after airing the Showtime episodes, do what it'd done in the past and produce at least one more season. But I guess lightning don't strike that many times.

297 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:56:16pm

re: #271 RogueOne

Hope you're enjoying yourself. Still living in a hotel?

yea..I've got 2 or 3 weeks left here...Spent today racking Cisco switches...
Tuesday I get to Struggle with Riverbed config scripts...Weeee
I think this college town..Pretty neat here.. It reminds me of Bloomington

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:56:34pm

re: #290 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Went from geeking out about scifi and fantasy shows to arguing over programming in BASIC. Yowza.

Best sci-fi TV show ever

Youtube Video

Max Headroom predicted so much stuff we take for granted, it's amazing

299 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:57:45pm

Hm. A really cute blonde I've never met, with no info in her profile or any mutual friends, wants to be my Facebook friend. Color me suspicious...

300 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:57:51pm

re: #292 Racer X

Very much underrated show. Nice and quirky with good writing.

I dig almost any show that takes the supernatural and then just makes it into matter-of-fact urban fantasy. See Beauty and The Beast, see X-Files, see Fringe, see Misfits of Science

301 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:57:55pm

re: #298 WindUpBird

You are unfortunately incorrect:
Best sci-fi TV show ever

Youtube Video
302 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:58:04pm

Hey anybody work with Panda antivirus on a network? I'm having a pisser of a time with my main server not seeing the admin$ shares on my other boxes...Tis pissing me off no end. On the bright side, I got my code to update Quickbooks via ODBC working, so I'm a happy camper.

303 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:58:13pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

yea..I've got 2 or 3 weeks left here...Spent today racking Cisco switches...
Tuesday I get to Struggle with Riverbed config scripts...Weee
I think this college town..Pretty neat here.. It reminds me of Bloomington

Bloomington was neat--used to camp in Brown County to get at their library.

304 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:58:24pm

re: #300 WindUpBird

That's an excellent point... that kind of fiction is always great :)

305 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:58:42pm

re: #299 JasonA

Hm. A really cute blonde I've never met, with no info in her profile or any mutual friends, wants to be my Facebook friend. Color me suspicious...

Seen that a few times. I think she's made of Pork Shoulder and Ham...SPAM

306 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:59:09pm

re: #299 JasonA

Hm. A really cute blonde I've never met, with no info in her profile or any mutual friends, wants to be my Facebook friend. Color me suspicious...

yeah. i've had 3 in the past few weeks...one of them was dumb enough to put the porn site on her wall during a conversation with someone. spamalot...

307 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:59:19pm

So other than that, what's on the grill for tonight?

308 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:59:19pm

re: #299 JasonA

Hm. A really cute blonde I've never met, with no info in her profile or any mutual friends, wants to be my Facebook friend. Color me suspicious...

like that

309 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:59:30pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

.... It reminds me of Bloomington

with better looking women and cool accents!

310 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:59:44pm

re: #307 Irenicum

So other than that, what's on the grill for tonight?

I'm trying to pick a fight, but nobody's biting >>

311 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:10pm

re: #292 Racer X

Very much underrated show. Nice and quirky with good writing.

The problem is that shows that are quirky often don't retain enough of a fan base to to stay on the air very long. The late Trio channel had a name for shows like that: "Brilliant But Canceled".

312 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:12pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

yea..I've got 2 or 3 weeks left here...Spent today racking Cisco switches...
Tuesday I get to Struggle with Riverbed config scripts...Weee
I think this college town..Pretty neat here.. It reminds me of Bloomington

did you settle on the house with the cool porch, or are you still looking?

313 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:28pm

re: #301 windsagio

ahahahahahahahah

I can't really go with you there, but it was a riot, and the intro is SO GREAT

Youtube Video

EXPERIENCES COSMIC FORCES BEYOND ALL COMPREHENSION!

God almighty that would make the greatest sample to drop into a doom metal album.

And how about the time travel South Park ep that totally referenced the intro to this?

314 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:34pm

re: #310 windsagio

So what the f%^k is the matter with you!!

315 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:56pm

re: #284 WindUpBird

Fringe is cool, I don't watch a whole lot of TV but I have dug episodes of that show mightily

Fringe is sorta like what X-Files was in the early season, episodic while still maintaining a general theme in the background.

316 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that shows that are quirky often don't retain enough of a fan base to to stay on the air very long. The late Trio channel had a name for shows like that: "Brilliant But Canceled".

I liked "The Highwayman" but I don't know that it was brilliant. it did have Mark "Jacko" jackson and a time travelling semi that could deploy its cab into an attack helicopter :D

317 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:01:42pm

re: #315 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Heh, Farm Family. Still my fav. Always will be. But hey, that's me.

318 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:01:46pm

re: #310 windsagio

I'm trying to pick a fight, but nobody's biting >>

OK your mother dresses you funny... how's that?

319 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:01:52pm

re: #313 WindUpBird

Back when science fiction didn't take itself so seriously! That's a good thing having that kind of balance >>

Its gen-x pop culture, of course they did! But yes it was great.

320 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:02:16pm

re: #278 darthstar

Of course, you know the reason Basic was done in increments of 10...lack of editing ability so if you needed to add a statement, you could put in an 11, or 14 or whatever came between 10 and 20...after that, you had to "goto 100" and keep a pointer to goto 19 to get you back. Ugly, ugly code that was.

Commodore basic had a command line command called "renumber" and then you put an increment after it... such as "renumber 20" it would renumber the lines in increments of 20.

Commodore basic was a very smart basic.

321 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:02:17pm

re: #315 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Fringe is sorta like what X-Files was in the early season, episodic while still maintaining a general theme in the background.

Oh it's totally like Monster of the Week X-Files, I love it. And it's got a sense of humor and that guy who played Denethor in Lord of the Rings as the bonkers scientist, it's all so great

322 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:02:30pm

re: #318 brookly red

it has to be about something or I can't get going unfortunately :p

PS: MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT!

323 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:02:36pm

re: #256 darthstar

I figured it was only a matter of time before you wound up mocking yourself. Congratulations.

You figgered?

324 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:02:45pm

re: #318 brookly red

OK your mother dresses you funny... how's that?

Your momma is so fat, she goes to the movies and sits next to everybody.

325 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:03:33pm

re: #322 windsagio

it has to be about something or I can't get going unfortunately :p

PS: MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT!

A crazy saint

326 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #287 Spare O'Lake

This is my way of asking if attacking the right and attacking radical Islam is an either-or proposition.
I have never seen it that way.

Fair enough, what has radical Islam done recently that we should be concerned/talking about?

327 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:03:54pm

re: #299 JasonA

Hm. A really cute blonde I've never met, with no info in her profile or any mutual friends, wants to be my Facebook friend. Color me suspicious...

Spammer, and that's not his real photo, he's a big hairy guy in the Philippines.

328 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:09pm

re: #317 Irenicum

What can I say. Inbred hilllbillies just speak to me.

329 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:09pm

re: #307 Irenicum

So other than that, what's on the grill for tonight?

I had some delicious BBQ cedar plank salmon fillets.

330 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:15pm

CSPAN The Wikileaks dude has actually compared this release to the release of the Stazi files, East German secret service files. OMG. He just compared us to East Germany.
Just brimming with self importance this guy.
Bastard.

331 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:21pm

re: #321 WindUpBird

Oh it's totally like Monster of the Week X-Files, I love it. And it's got a sense of humor and that guy who played Denethor in Lord of the Rings as the bonkers scientist, it's all so great

Walter? Yeah, I think he's more of a draw to the series than anything else. Instead of the stuffy scientist or the wild-eyed conspiracy nut, we get the slightly amnesic yet utterly brilliant college professor with a penchant for...er "liberal" drug usage.

332 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:26pm

re: #324 PT Barnum

Your momma is so fat, she goes to the movies and sits next to everybody.

yo mama is so fat when she ran away her picture took 3 sides of the milk carton..

333 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:26pm

re: #324 PT Barnum

Your momma is so fat, she goes to the movies and sits next to everybody.

Your momma so fat when she play hopscotch she go ALABAMA...MISSISSIPPI...ARKANSAS

334 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:47pm

re: #332 brookly red

yo mama is so fat when she ran away her picture took 3 sides of the milk carton..

yo momma so rotten she look like she gotta mouth full of dice

335 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:47pm

re: #321 WindUpBird

Man I was trying to find a clip of that great xfiles episode with the evil community charter. I failed
re: #325 WindUpBird

A crazy saint


FUCK YOU MAN!!!!

336 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:04:55pm

re: #329 Spare O'Lake

Oh man, salmon rocks my world. No greater meat.

337 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:02pm

Well..my middle son (who's staying with us this week has come in to inform me that he needs my help on something. So I'm off.

338 tigger2005  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:28pm

Yo mama so fat that when she went sunbathing at the beach, Greenpeace showed up and tried to roll her into the ocean.

339 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #317 Irenicum

Heh, Farm Family. Still my fav. Always will be. But hey, that's me.

*shudders* One of those episodes where, if you don't feel the sudden urge to shower repeatedly, you can be guaranteed at least a week of nightmares.

340 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:31pm

re: #330 rightwingconspirator

CSPAN The Wikileaks dude has actually compared this release to the release of the Stazi files, East German secret service files. OMG. He just compared us to East Germany.
Just brimming with self importance this guy.
Bastard.

Yeah, he really does come off like a douche.

341 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:35pm

re: #328 Irenicum

What can I say. Inbred hilllbillies just speak to me.

built-in rejoinder right there/

342 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:44pm

re: #278 darthstar

Of course, you know the reason Basic was done in increments of 10...lack of editing ability so if you needed to add a statement, you could put in an 11, or 14 or whatever came between 10 and 20...after that, you had to "goto 100" and keep a pointer to goto 19 to get you back. Ugly, ugly code that was.

yea it wasn't until Visual Basic you could employ wrappers, DLL routines and OCX calls...Still the framework was bulky and slow with all the chunk calls into DLL's.. OO is the most advanced programming language today...The learning curve from C to C++ is steep...But with self testing in objects wild pointers to registers and scratch memory is all but eliminated and memory leaks in the heap are resolved with automatic garbage collection Routines...
In fact no program over 100000 lines of code should ever be written in anything but C++
It's an powerful and eloquent language

343 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:02pm

re: #316 WindUpBird

I liked "The Highwayman" but I don't know that it was brilliant. it did have Mark "Jacko" jackson and a time travelling semi that could deploy its cab into an attack helicopter :D

Heh. I don't remember that one, though I do remember Airwolf. We're not likely to see another super-helicopter show again. They were expensive, and it turns out that even the best helos are actually very vulnerable to some types of ground fire.

344 tigger2005  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:04pm

Yo mama so fat, you have to take two trains and the bus to get on her good side.

345 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:13pm

re: #335 windsagio

Man I was trying to find a clip of that great xfiles episode with the evil community charter. I failed
re: #325 WindUpBird


FUCK YOU MAN!!!

heehee well, my mother just obsesses about Disney, so what do you want from me :D

Oh! The episode where the homeowner's association created a Tulpa?

GOD I AM NERD

346 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:27pm

re: #334 WindUpBird

yo momma so rotten she look like she gotta mouth full of dice

Well you momma is so fat she has to iron her pants in the driveway. And in fact, she is so ugly that she sent her picture to the lonely hearts club and they sent it back with a note that said "We ain't THAT lonely!"

347 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:35pm

re: #339 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But mayor Andy Taylor and Barney were so cool.
///

348 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:37pm

re: #330 rightwingconspirator

CSPAN The Wikileaks dude has actually compared this release to the release of the Stazi files, East German secret service files. OMG. He just compared us to East Germany.
Just brimming with self importance this guy.
Bastard.

Yeah. I'm usually on his side (not in this case though) but he could help by not being such a smug tool.

349 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:41pm

re: #329 Spare O'Lake

I had some delicious BBQ cedar plank salmon fillets.

That really works. Do you use yuppie (Whole Foods) planks?

350 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:06:55pm

Yo momma so skinny she could hang glide on a dorito

351 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:07:02pm

re: #340 JasonA

Yeah, he really does come off like a douche.

Yo! someone said douche! have atem!

352 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:07:44pm

re: #312 Aceofwhat?

did you settle on the house with the cool porch, or are you still looking?

Still looking around here.....

353 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:08:16pm

re: #341 Aceofwhat?

How'd I met my wife...

Well alls I can say is....

Thank gawd for family reunions!!!

354 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:08:31pm

re: #348 RogueOne

I am so going to page this video when CSPAN gets it in. I hope they embed.

355 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:08:53pm

Nite all.

356 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:00pm

re: #341 Aceofwhat?

Cuz! You be all grown up!

357 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:02pm

re: #345 WindUpBird

YES THAT ONE!

I couldn't go the X Files when it was all mopey, but that one was great.

Also Jose Chung.

358 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:10pm

yo momma so fat her blood type is Prego

359 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:32pm

re: #358 WindUpBird

yo momma so fat her blood type is Prego

I believe you mean "Rocky Road" good sir...

360 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:47pm

re: #352 HoosierHoops

Still looking around here...

ouch. i've relocated three times now with my company and we forced ourselves to make a decision before the actual move each time...househunting + working is hard.

361 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:55pm

re: #359 jamesfirecat

I believe you mean "Rocky Road" good sir...

but it's not red!

362 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:56pm

re: #326 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, what has radical Islam done recently that we should be concerned/talking about?

That is an amazing question. Are you seriously suggesting that the threat posed by radical Islam has magically abated?

363 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:10:10pm

re: #358 WindUpBird

yo momma so fat her blood type is Prego

yo mama is so fat she puts mayo on aspirin...

364 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:10:26pm

Oh my. We have yo mama jokes and inbreeding. Just lovely. (as I blink innocently)

365 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:29pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops


In fact no program over 100000 lines of code should ever be written in anything but C++
It's an powerful and eloquent language

reading this thread, i'm working on a 'yo mamma' joke about c++

yo objects are so well decoupled ain't nobody can call their methods?

366 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:37pm

okay I gotta work or I'll be doing these all night

367 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:57pm

re: #336 Irenicum

Oh man, salmon rocks my world. No greater meat.

Heh. Well, I wouldn't quite go THAT far...

368 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:12:29pm

re: #362 Spare O'Lake

That is an amazing question. Are you seriously suggesting that the threat posed by radical Islam has magically abated?

No, I wouldn't say the threat has abated, but I would say it might just have plateaued, is radical Islam rolling out any new threats that we are not currently aware of?

369 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:12:36pm

re: #336 Irenicum

Oh man, salmon rocks my world. No greater meat.

That needs to be on a t-shirt, just NO GREATER MEAT in block letters

370 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:12:43pm

re: #362 Spare O'Lake

That is an amazing question. Are you seriously suggesting that the threat posed by radical Islam has magically abated?

Of course not. Now please tell us again why the downtown mosque is such a threat to our lives and liberty.

371 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:13:14pm

Yo momma so poor she does drive-bys on the bus

372 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:14:20pm

re: #367 Spare O'Lake

re: #369 WindUpBird

NO GREATER MEAT!!!

373 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:14:42pm

re: #367 Spare O'Lake

Heh. Well, I wouldn't quite go THAT far...

Close-- I had a grilled tuna steak that was an hour dead. I usually call that the best thing I've ever eaten.

374 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:15:49pm

re: #371 WindUpBird

Yo momma so poor she does drive-bys on the bus

yo mama is so fat her little black dress looks like outer space...

375 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:15:55pm

re: #372 Irenicum

re: #369 WindUpBird

NO GREATER MEAT!!!

... hath any man?

376 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:16:04pm

So I see we've attuned ourselves to a deep and profound discussion of what's truly important in the world. So where are the boobs?

377 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:16:45pm

re: #376 Irenicum

So where are the boobs?

Charles doesn't let them post here anymore...

378 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:16:50pm

yo momma so fat that other fat people are drawn into her gravity and orbit her

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:17:08pm

re: #107 albusteve

don't allow it by federal law

So the free market won't apply to textbooks?

380 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:17:12pm

re: #369 WindUpBird

Except it is fish.

Smoked salmon & cream makes a great pasta sauce.

381 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:17:13pm

re: #375 engineer dog

Nicely done. When we meet again I'll supply the Cupie Doll.

382 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:17:56pm

re: #381 Irenicum

Nicely done. When we meet again I'll supply the Cupie Doll.

ewww

383 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:18:00pm

re: #377 JasonA

I see you're keeping abreast of the situation.

384 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:18:46pm

re: #380 Ojoe

Except it is fish.

Smoked salmon & cream makes a great pasta sauce.

Talk to La Reine, she's thinking about vol 3.

385 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:18:48pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops


In fact no program over 100000 lines of code should ever be written in anything but C++
It's an powerful and eloquent language


Years ago, when the DoD was trying to get Ada off the ground, the same basic claim was made about Ada. At that time I considered "C" to be a fun language for back room coders but not really fit for large software engineering projects.

From what I've seen of C++ (and Objective-C) I suspect that some of the weaknesses inherent in syntactically cryptic languages still remain.

386 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:19:00pm

re: #383 Irenicum

I see you're keeping abreast of the situation.

I always like a good tit-for-tat.

387 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:19:11pm

re: #378 engineer dog

Still mooning I see.

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:19:46pm

Congrats to Matt Garza. He threw the first no hitter in Rays history tonight.
And evening Honcos.

389 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:20:00pm

re: #377 JasonA

Charles doesn't let them post here anymore...

Their accounts went tits up.

390 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:20:12pm

re: #377 JasonA

Lady Ga Ga has
Hot boobs

391 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:20:15pm

re: #370 JasonA

Of course not. Now please tell us again why the downtown mosque is such a threat to our lives and liberty.

You are a liar and a scum to suggest that I ever did.

392 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:20:34pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

Their accounts went tits up.

they probably still stay a-breast of the conversation here...

393 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:20:49pm

re: #381 Irenicum

Nicely done. When we meet again I'll supply the Cupie Doll.

:-)

394 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:21:11pm

re: #391 Spare O'Lake

You are a liar and a scum to suggest that I ever did.

and his mama is fat too...

395 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:21:26pm

re: #384 Decatur Deb

OK


BBL

396 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:22:37pm

re: #391 Spare O'Lake

You are a liar and a scum to suggest that I ever did.

"A" scum? Never heard it put like that before.

397 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:22:47pm

re: #392 ShaunP

they probably still stay a-breast of the conversation here...

I think the thread should just go bust en halter right there.

398 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:22:59pm

re: #385 freetoken

Years ago, when the DoD was trying to get Ada off the ground, the same basic claim was made about Ada. At that time I considered "C" to be a fun language for back room coders but not really fit for large software engineering projects.

From what I've seen of C++ (and Objective-C) I suspect that some of the weaknesses inherent in syntactically cryptic languages still remain.

It is a very complex language and the learning curve is extreme...
on the flip side C is very powerful also..Ever notice that almost all device drivers are written in C...
/Hi Freetoken!

399 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:06pm

re: #396 JasonA

"A" scum? Never heard it put like that before.

"I got yah now, you scum!"

---Phantom of Krankor

400 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:47pm

re: #396 JasonA

"A" scum? Never heard it put like that before.

/a lone sperm barking at the moon... so sad.

401 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:48pm

Here's the Towercam; you can watch the shadows get longer. Later it will turn into a sunset, say in about 45 mins.

I'm out of here, going to read "Team of Rivals" for a while.

BBL

402 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:48pm

re: #386 JasonA

I always like a good tit-for-tat.

[Link: thechive.files.wordpress.com...]

403 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:52pm

re: #399 jamesfirecat

"I got yah now, you scum!"

---Phantom of Krankor

I never could get into MST3K. *runs away*

404 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:25:09pm

re: #403 JasonA

I never could get into MST3K. *runs away*

must...not...downding...

405 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:25:11pm

re: #370 JasonA

re: #391 Spare O'Lake

No squabbling please. All that results in is people getting time outs.

406 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:26:02pm

And now a brief science comedy break...

Youtube Video
407 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:26:18pm

re: #386 JasonA

I cleave not at your dastardly ascertation. I will neither look left or right at the not so offending mammaries. For some strange reason I now desire to listen to a 33 and a 3rd speed record.

408 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:26:30pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

It is a very complex language and the learning curve is extreme...
on the flip side C is very powerful also..Ever notice that almost all device drivers are written in C...
/Hi Freetoken!

i've been a professional C++ pgmr for 18 years and i still don't know everything about the language

409 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:28:23pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

re: #391 Spare O'Lake

No squabbling please. All that results in is people getting time outs.

well we could issue Thorazine...

410 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:28:25pm

Oliver Stone: Hitler Apologist

Is Oliver Stone some sort of Soviet sleeper whom the Reds forgot to de-programme when the USSR collapsed, or simply the most politically naïve baby-boomer alive?

Just as some people stop listening to new music at some point in their lives and are forever stuck in a musical time warp, so it is for some politically – and Stone’s political development seems to have arrested some time around May 1968.

The director has previously expressed kind words for Hugo Chavez and made a grovelling documentary about murderous commie gasbag Fidel Castro, as well as promoting the ludicrous idea that John F Kennedy was killed by some Right-wing conspiracy.

But in an interview with Camilla Long of the Sunday Times (no link, unless you’ve signed up) yesterday Stone excelled himself by saying:

“Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support …

“Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than [to] the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed].”

And the reason why this is not well known?

“The Jewish domination of the media… There’s a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years.”

The first claim is an outright lie invented by the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine, which promoted the idea that Hitler was a capitalist tool, rather than an ultra-conservative anti-capitalist who preyed on people’s fears of the Bolsheviks. They did this to present the German Federal Republic as a continuation of Nazi Germany, rather than a legitimate, democratic state, and to downplay the indirect role of the German Communists in the rise of Hitler.

The second idea, again, is Soviet-made. Far more Russians died in World War 2 than people from any other nation, but no individual group was targeted specifically for destruction like the Jews, and no group suffered as much proportionately to their size. More than half of Europe’s Jews were systematically slaughtered, not in the battlefield or as a result of starvation, as many Russians and Germans died, but as civilians rounded up for deliberate murder. Unlike the Russian or German victims, their leaders had done nothing to bring about this destruction. I dare anyone to visit Auschwitz and not come away thinking this was a unique act of human evil. You don’t have to be Jewish to feel extremely disturbed and upset by industrialised murder, just human.

First he sucks up to Chavez and now Hitler and Stalin. Stone never met a hateful tyrant he didn't love. Fuck you, Ollie, you freedom hating punk!

411 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:28:55pm

re: #370 JasonA

Of course not. Now please tell us again why the downtown mosque is such a threat to our lives and liberty.

re: #391 Spare O'Lake

You are a liar and a scum to suggest that I ever did.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Maybe, but I find Sharia law grossly undemocratic and misogynistic, and that is what this mosque is peddling. So excuse me if I oppose it.
412 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:13pm

re: #409 brookly red

well we could issue Thorazine...

We may need it. And it still beats getting the Time Out Paddle.

413 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:14pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Oliver Stone: Hitler Apologist

First he sucks up to Chavez and now Hitler and Stalin. Stone never met a hateful tyrant he didn't love. Fuck you, Ollie, you freedom hating punk!

Quite concur.

414 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:22pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

May I presume that some squabbling has occurred tonight? I like you guys. Please play well, or at least fight well.

415 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:42pm

re: #404 Aceofwhat?

must...not...downding...

Press the button, Frank.

/

416 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:30:18pm

re: #414 Irenicum

May I presume that some squabbling has occurred tonight? I like you guys. Please play well, or at least fight well.

Eh. Someone was concerned that we might let a thread go by without mentioning radical Islam once. It happens.

417 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:30:39pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

We may need it. And it still beats getting the Time Out Paddle.

some crave the paddle...

418 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:13pm

re: #416 JasonA

Eh. Someone was concerned that we might let a thread go by without mentioning radical Islam once. It happens.

Was that line really needed? It strikes me as shit-stirring.

419 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:17pm

re: #417 brookly red

some crave the paddle...

FG?

420 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:30pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

I posted that earlier this evening at my FB page. What a shit and opened faced anti-Semite. As I said on my FB page, shovel him out to the curb like the rest of the trash. What a putz. He and Mel would go together well.

421 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:32pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

It is a very complex language and the learning curve is extreme...
on the flip side C is very powerful also..Ever notice that almost all device drivers are written in C...
/Hi Freetoken!

If you were lucky enough that your learning curve started with C++, then Java became the rage, you got to see a great language that got exposure in the real world, and then the subsequent language that resulted from plugging the holes.

422 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:57pm

re: #417 brookly red

some crave the paddle...

Well, Floral Giraffe isn't around right now... :D

423 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:58pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Was that line really needed? It strikes me as shit-stirring.

Eh. Feel free to interpret it as you will.

424 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:32:35pm

re: #414 Irenicum

May I presume that some squabbling has occurred tonight? I like you guys. Please play well, or at least fight well.

ain't been shit compared to the couple of weeks that happened a couple of weeks ago.

425 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:32:52pm

re: #421 cliffster

If you were lucky enough that your learning curve started with C++, then Java became the rage, you got to see a great language that got exposure in the real world, and then the subsequent language that resulted from plugging the holes.

forget your C++ stuff, we have moved on to Yo Mama jokes...

426 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:33:04pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Heh, I used to work with psych patients and regularly saw the Thorazine shuffle. Bad nasty stuff.

427 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:33:24pm

re: #411 JasonA

Rule# 1: Always call the bluff.

428 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:33:33pm

re: #420 Irenicum

I posted that earlier this evening at my FB page. What a shit and opened faced anti-Semite. As I said on my FB page, shovel him out to the curb like the rest of the trash. What a putz. He and Mel would go together well.

I'd like to lock them in a large room together and let them fight it out. Call it Blunderdome.

429 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:33:58pm

re: #425 brookly red

forget your C++ stuff, we have moved on to Yo Mama jokes...

yo mama's so fat, you have to call her yomama++

430 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:34:28pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Like I said in a Page, he and Mel Gibson would be the perfect creative team.

431 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:34:40pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Was that line really needed? It strikes me as shit-stirring.

It was necessary if we don't want it to happen again.

432 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:35:13pm

re: #430 rightwingconspirator

Like I said in a Page, he and Mel Gibson would be the perfect creative team.

Double Douche Productions?

433 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:35:18pm

re: #430 rightwingconspirator

Like I said in a Page, he and Mel Gibson would be the perfect creative team.

Yeah, their movie would be a blockbuster in Iran.

434 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:35:45pm

re: #424 cliffster

Dat be true. But quarreling is still quarreling. And if it's not necessary, why do it?

435 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:36:28pm

re: #426 Irenicum

Heh, I used to work with psych patients and regularly saw the Thorazine shuffle. Bad nasty stuff.

I like to think of it as an orally ingested penitentiary...

436 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:36:29pm

re: #431 b_sharp

It was necessary if we don't want it to happen again.

The problem is that harsh rebukes like that tend to receive insults as a response, thus leading to fighting and then to time outs.

437 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:36:58pm

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

Oh hell, they wouldn't fight. Those fools would conspire!

438 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:37:42pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that harsh rebukes like that tend to receive insults as a response, thus leading to fighting and then to time outs.

Yeah, but I rarely escalate past a certain point. And I really did have to respond to being called a liar and a scum.

439 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:38:26pm

for the amusement of the other bitpushers in the audience:

nerdass curseout rant

you're not hardly decoupled
your header is full of externs
your members are exposed
you're full of magic numbers
you're massively cloned
you're so far from self documenting
you leak memory like a sieve
you return pointers to stack memory
and you're stuck in a crazy loop which is about to run out of stack

440 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:38:41pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Was that line really needed? It strikes me as shit-stirring.

That wasn't shit stirring. For the records this is what shit stirring looks like:

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

-Sinclair Lewis

441 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:38:46pm

re: #434 Irenicum

Dat be true. But quarreling is still quarreling. And if it's not necessary, why do it?

great makeup sex?

442 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:39:00pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Underage drug induced sex and anti antisemitism
A presentation of Polansky/Stone/Gibson films.
From Up Yours Pictures

443 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:40:43pm

squabbling leads to insults

insults lead to arguments

arguments lead to fear

and fear leads to the Dark Side...

where Varek greets you with cookies! :)

444 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:40:45pm

My sister turns 45 tomorrow. Can't wait to make fun of her.

445 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:41:01pm

re: #439 engineer dog

for the amusement of the other bitpushers in the audience:

nerdass curseout rant

you're not hardly decoupled
your header is full of externs
your members are exposed
you're full of magic numbers
you're massively cloned
you're so far from self documenting
you leak memory like a sieve
you return pointers to stack memory
and you're stuck in a crazy loop which is about to run out of stack

May your scratch memory never be corrupted by wild pointers

446 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:41:20pm

re: #435 brookly red

It really dehumanized them. I know they had bad crazy going on. But still, it emptied them of a part of their humanity. I'm glad to see that drug go bye bye.

447 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:08pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Oliver Stone: Hitler Apologist

First he sucks up to Chavez and now Hitler and Stalin. Stone never met a hateful tyrant he didn't love. Fuck you, Ollie, you freedom hating punk!

I'm not opening a stupid statistical discussion of slaughter, but the UK writer needs to be very precise in this kind of argument. I think he under-appreciates the destruction of the smaller Rom population. They were also burned entire. And yes, Stone is an conspiracy-fixated ass.

448 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:14pm

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.

/

449 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:27pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Well, that show is on HBO. While not every HBO series is great (John from Cincinnati was a one season and out two-three years ago), HBO and showtime shows are consistently better than their broadcast counterparts. But part of that is that they have freedoms broadcast shows do not.

From the Earth to the Moon and Band of Brothers were and are fantastic...haven't seen The Pacific yet, but I've heard it's good.

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:41pm

re: #448 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.

/

DING!!

451 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:48pm

re: #438 JasonA

Yeah, but I rarely escalate past a certain point. And I really did have to respond to being called a liar and a scum.

I understand. Not saying I agree, but I understand.

452 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:58pm

re: #441 cliffster

Well you do have a point there. Some arguments are very worthwhile.

453 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:43:23pm

re: #449 talon_262

From the Earth to the Moon and Band of Brothers were and are fantastic...haven't seen The Pacific yet, but I've heard it's good.

I was underwhelmed by The Pacific. I think BoB set the bar too high.

454 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:43:53pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Oliver Stone: Hitler Apologist

First he sucks up to Chavez and now Hitler and Stalin. Stone never met a hateful tyrant he didn't love. Fuck you, Ollie, you freedom hating punk!

I wonder if he's a Larouche fan or something. He sure has a strange brand of weirdness that I've never seen before.

455 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #443 oaktree

Chocolate chip or oatmeal raisin?

456 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:44:33pm

re: #445 HoosierHoops

May your scratch memory never be corrupted by wild pointers

:-)

ah! a looovly irish blessing for wandering code slingers...

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:44:55pm

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I wonder if he's a Larouche fan or something. He sure has a strange brand of weirdness that I've never seen before.

He ate mushrooms while filming Natural Born Killers. And you can tell.

458 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:01pm

Not many thing in life more entertain than a laser pointer and a kitten on valium.

459 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:01pm

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I wonder if he's a Larouche fan or something. He sure has a strange brand of weirdness that I've never seen before.

The staple of Hollywierd these days...

460 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:34pm

re: #439 engineer dog

for the amusement of the other bitpushers in the audience:

nerdass curseout rant

you're not hardly decoupled
your header is full of externs
your members are exposed
you're full of magic numbers
you're massively cloned
you're so far from self documenting
you leak memory like a sieve
you return pointers to stack memory
and you're stuck in a crazy loop which is about to run out of stack

I have the mp3 but this is pretty good...

Nerdcore Rap

Youtube Video

Kill Dash Nine
No more CPU time
Kill Dash Nine
and your process is mine
Kill Dash Nine
it's my time to shine
Don't step out of line or it's Kill Dash Nine

461 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:41pm

re: #448 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I need to watch that again!

462 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:45pm

re: #454 Killgore Trout

Most film makers have about as much knowledge of politics as Senators do digital cinematography. All they know is what they dislike.

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:51pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

Not many thing in life more entertain than a laser pointer and a kitten on valium.

You want fun? put the kitty on coke.

464 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:46:16pm

re: #447 Decatur Deb

I'm not opening a stupid statistical discussion of slaughter, but the UK writer needs to be very precise in this kind of argument. I think he under-appreciates the destruction of the smaller Rom population. They were also burned entire. And yes, Stone is an conspiracy-fixated ass.

You're right. Though either way, Stone is still full of shit (as you pointed out). He can never seem to accept the normal version of an event, everything has to be "hidden truth" with him. He ought to spend some time with Alex Jones. Those two would get along famously.

465 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:47:57pm

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

You're right. Though either way, Stone is still full of shit (as you pointed out). He can never seem to accept the normal version of an event, everything has to be "hidden truth" with him. He ought to spend some time with Alex Jones. Those two would get along famously.

Sports fans are still laughing over his Any Given Sunday

466 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:48:55pm

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nah, out kittehs love foreign beers in our house. They hated the domestic shit. They had discriminating taste.

467 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:48:56pm

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I wonder if he's a Larouche fan or something. He sure has a strange brand of weirdness that I've never seen before.

I think he just can't accept the standard version of any story. He has some kind of weird paranoia that leads him to conclude that the truth is the opposite of whatever the 'official version' is. It's just like Alex Jones.

468 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:49:01pm

re: #403 JasonA

I never could get into MST3K. *runs away*

MST3K's cultural references tend to be for the mid-30's-to-mid-40's set, so if you're much younger than that, you're going to be wondering what they're talking about sometimes. I love MST3K and even I'm lost when they start busting out sitcom references from the early 70's XD

469 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:49:13pm

re: #465 HoosierHoops

Sports fans are still laughing over his Any Given Sunday

A guy from a rival high skool was an extra in that. Not kidding. And Cameron Diaz is a fucking idiot.

470 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:49:21pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

Not many thing in life more entertain than a laser pointer and a kitten on valium.

Cat toys and games.
Way of Cats Blog.

471 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:49:54pm

re: #468 WindUpBird

MST3K's cultural references tend to be for the mid-30's-to-mid-40's set, so if you're much younger than that, you're going to be wondering what they're talking about sometimes. I love MST3K and even I'm lost when they start busting out sitcom references from the early 70's XD

I'm actually in my mid-30s. I just never really got into it.

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:50:08pm

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

I like some of his movies, though!

473 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:50:34pm

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

A guy from a rival high skool was an extra in that. Not kidding. And Cameron Diaz is a fucking idiot.

all I could see in your post was the words "Cameron Diaz" and "Fucking"

474 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:50:38pm

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

A guy from a rival high skool was an extra in that. Not kidding. And Cameron Diaz is a fucking idiot.

She's paid for her looks, not her brains.

475 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:01pm

re: #468 WindUpBird

MST3K's cultural references tend to be for the mid-30's-to-mid-40's set, so if you're much younger than that, you're going to be wondering what they're talking about sometimes. I love MST3K and even I'm lost when they start busting out sitcom references from the early 70's XD

Ehh.. that makes it a family thing for me and makes it all the greater of a series.

I recently showed my dad "Space Mutiny" on the eve of my graduation, and what was great was how the two of us were both laughing a lot, but we were laughing at different jokes...

(Except for the "we're gonna need both horse power for this thing!" "Reaching speeds of up to three!" segment)

476 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:06pm

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

His mind works in mysterious and deeply wrong ways. It's a mindset that refuses to acknowledge facts as actual facts. He be batshit crazy.

477 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:17pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

It's just like Alex Jones.

Nailed it right there Dark! Bravo!!

478 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:20pm

re: #472 WindUpBird

I like some of his movies, though!

Natural Born Killers and which other ones? I know you like that one.

479 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:25pm

re: #453 JasonA

I was underwhelmed by The Pacific. I think BoB set the bar too high.

Some people are lucky to capture lightning in a bottle once in their careers...Tom Hanks did it multiple times, as he was an executive producer (and more) on all of those series (with Ron Howard and Brian Grazer on FtEttM and with Spielberg on BoB and The Pacific).

480 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:40pm

Well, this is either good or bad news, depending upon how loyal to Apple you are:

Yahoo: iPhone jailbreaking (and all cell phone unlocking) made legal

481 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:51:48pm

re: #471 JasonA

I'm actually in my mid-30s. I just never really got into it.

Here's my next question: did you watch a lot of bad television and movies voluntarily in your youth? :D That's one of the reasons I dig MST3K, because my friends and I were riffing on movies in this fashion before we knew what MST3K was, then we found it as teenagers, then we were like PEOPLE ARE PAID TO DO THIS?!?!

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:52:08pm

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

Natural Born Killers and which other ones? I know you like that one.

I have NBK directors cut. Awesome.

483 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:52:35pm

re: #475 jamesfirecat

Ehh.. that makes it a family thing for me and makes it all the greater of a series.

I recently showed my dad "Space Mutiny" on the eve of my graduation, and what was great was how the two of us were both laughing a lot, but we were laughing at different jokes...

(Except for the "we're gonna need both horse power for this thing!" "Reaching speeds of up to three!" segment)

We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese!

/

484 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:53:04pm

re: #472 WindUpBird

I like some of his movies, though!

He has the skills to really make movies, but usually he shouldn't.

485 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:53:11pm

re: #472 WindUpBird

A good film-maker can be seriously f##ked up. And he is. Thus his movies need a certain level of discernment in their watching.

486 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:53:11pm

re: #476 Irenicum

His mind works in mysterious and deeply wrong ways. It's a mindset that refuses to acknowledge facts as actual facts. He be batshit crazy.

I don't remember him inserting any craziness in World Trade Center. I don't remember him inserting any good directing into that waste of time, either, but at least it was Truther-free...

Faint praise, I know.

487 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:04pm

re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have NBK directors cut. Awesome.

Wasn't that written by Tarantino, though?

488 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:09pm

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

Natural Born Killers and which other ones? I know you like that one.

Wall Street, The Doors, Talk Radio, Platoon, JFK

489 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:26pm

re: #487 JasonA

Wasn't that written by Tarantino, though?

Yes.

490 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:53pm

re: #485 Irenicum

I saw the trailer for Natural Born Killers. I decided it was porn for killers and a celebration of violence. So I never saw it.

491 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:54pm

re: #488 WindUpBird

Wall Street, The Doors, Talk Radio, Platoon, JFK

Wall Street and Platoon are the same movie.

492 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:56pm

Part of the identity of this place is the wide open, few holds barred, highly intellectual (mostly) arguments. The other part of the identity is the ability to step outside the normal animus of those arguments and go nerd, or jock, or politician or whatever and communicate at a totally different level.

Both of those parts seem to be necessary for this place to be this place. It would be sad if either part were removed.

493 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:55:25pm

re: #487 JasonA

Wasn't that written by Tarantino, though?

iirc, Tarantino used everything he made from writing screenplays (that one and True Romance, i think) to finance Reservoir Dogs

494 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:55:39pm

re: #491 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wall Street and Platoon are the same movie.

hahahahahahaha :D

495 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:55:59pm

re: #492 b_sharp

Never let a good boob-pun thread go to waste.

496 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:56:05pm

re: #494 WindUpBird

hahahahahahaha :D

I'm not kidding.

497 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:56:19pm

re: #492 b_sharp

poop jokes. that's what does it for me.

498 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:56:26pm

re: #486 JasonA

I don't remember him inserting any craziness in World Trade Center. I don't remember him inserting any good directing into that waste of time, either, but at least it was Truther-free...

Faint praise, I know.

His depiction of the former Marine who leads the rescue of the cops seems somewhat unfriendly, but I just put that down to Hollywood. I don't expect a Hollywood director to be sympathetic to a very devout military man, as the two men inhabit very different worlds, physically and mentally.

499 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:56:34pm

re: #490 rightwingconspirator

I saw the trailer for Natural Born Killers. I decided it was porn for killers and a celebration of violence. So I never saw it.

I hate that film so much, another case of a guy just waaaay up his own ass.

500 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:57:12pm

re: #499 windsagio

I hate that film so much, another case of a guy just waaay up his own ass.

Se, we can disagree on things :D

501 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:57:43pm

re: #496 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not kidding.

Oh i know!

it's sorta like how The Cult just sorta writes the same song over and over again and sticks it on different albums? I like that song, so I don't care

502 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:57:47pm

re: #492 b_sharp

Part of the identity of this place is the wide open, few holds barred, highly intellectual (mostly) arguments. The other part of the identity is the ability to step outside the normal animus of those arguments and go nerd, or jock, or politician or whatever and communicate at a totally different level.

Both of those parts seem to be necessary for this place to be this place. It would be sad if either part were removed.

I like to think that LGF is a place where intellectuals of all stripes can come together, find common ground, and occasionally nerd-out without worrying that others will get uptight about "thread-jacking" and so forth. It's a blog that doesn't really take itself seriously, yet is still "serious business."

503 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:58:39pm

re: #501 WindUpBird

Dinged for truth.

504 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:58:39pm

So happy we're back to new Daily Shows. It seems like Stewart's been on vacation more than he's been on air lately. Please talk about Breitbart, please please please.

505 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:58:43pm

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

His depiction of the former Marine who leads the rescue of the cops seems somewhat unfriendly, but I just put that down to Hollywood. I don't expect a Hollywood director to be sympathetic to a very devout military man, as the two men inhabit very different worlds, physically and mentally.

FB chain post from a friend:
Lindsey Lohan who? I cant believe the news coverage being given to a spoiled 20-something yr old. Here are a few 20 year-olds worth knowing about:Justin Allen 23, Brett Linley 29, Matt Weikert 29, Justus Bartett 27,Dave Santos 21, Chase Stanley 21, Jesse Reed 26, Matthew King 23, Christopher Goeke 23, & Sheldon Tate 27. These 20-somethings gave their lives for you this week. Repost if you SUPPORT YOUR MILITARY!!

I don't ever do FB reposts, but I thought about this one. I like it a lot.

506 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:10pm

When it comes to directors, I'm only really a fanboy for Cronenberg, Chros Nolan, and Darren Aranofsky. And 80's John Carpenter.

507 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:12pm

re: #504 JasonA

So happy we're back to new Daily Shows. It seems like Stewart's been on vacation more than he's been on air lately. Please talk about Breitbart, please please please.

You're not the only one who feels that way brother, new Daily show starting in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

508 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:21pm

re: #502 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I like to think that LGF is a place where intellectuals of all stripes can come together, find common ground, and occasionally nerd-out without worrying that others will get uptight about "thread-jacking" and so forth. It's a blog that doesn't really take itself seriously, yet is still "serious business."

Oh? Could you link me to this blog you speak of?

/

509 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:21pm

re: #486 JasonA

re: #490 rightwingconspirator

I haven't seen either. Prolly 'cause I already knew his tendency to preach through his movies. All directors do of course. I just didn't want to hear those particular sermons. I will say however, that a conspiratorial mindset can see the world in a way that breaks down normal preconceived notions. But the batshit crazy radar still needs to be on high gain.

510 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:51pm

re: #488 WindUpBird

Wall Street, The Doors, Talk Radio, Platoon, JFK

I'll give you Wall Street. I've never seen the middle three. JFK was conspiracy-minded drek. It's also a movie whose main star is Kevin Costner, and that's red flag for me since The Postman (The Untouchables doesn't count since that also has Sean Connery).

511 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:52pm

re: #470 reine.de.tout

Cat toys and games.
Way of Cats Blog.

It's still a mystery as to what caused is causing Zoe's anger issues. The only thing the vet suggested that seemed to make sense is more play time. Let's see if that works.

512 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:00:26pm

re: #506 WindUpBird

When it comes to directors, I'm only really a fanboy for Cronenberg, Chros Nolan, and Darren Aranofsky. And 80's John Carpenter.

Sam Rami.

513 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:00:33pm

re: #492 b_sharp

I agree.

514 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:00:37pm

re: #509 Irenicum

NBK isn't so much a guy preaching at you as it's a guy having a seizure in front of you, I like NBK but it's not for everyone!

515 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:01:27pm

re: #499 windsagio

Like Reservoir Dogs. I did see that. That sort of film is literally anathema to me personally. I make no claim it should be censored or anything. But the popularity of those films is right up there with Romans going to watch the gladiators. Unhealthy celebrations of humanity's capacity for cruelty. Thats why hell has no fear for me. It's seems more likely to be right here in the minds of men. The Saw franchise? Torture porn.

516 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:01:43pm

re: #514 WindUpBird

NBK isn't so much a guy preaching at you as it's a guy having a seizure in front of you, I like NBK but it's not for everyone!

When Juliette Lewis jumps up and down on the guys chest, just awesome.

517 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:02:20pm

re: #505 cliffster

FB chain post from a friend:
Lindsey Lohan who? I cant believe the news coverage being given to a spoiled 20-something yr old. Here are a few 20 year-olds worth knowing about:Justin Allen 23, Brett Linley 29, Matt Weikert 29, Justus Bartett 27,Dave Santos 21, Chase Stanley 21, Jesse Reed 26, Matthew King 23, Christopher Goeke 23, & Sheldon Tate 27. These 20-somethings gave their lives for you this week. Repost if you SUPPORT YOUR MILITARY!!

I don't ever do FB reposts, but I thought about this one. I like it a lot.

That one deserves as many updings as possible. Those men truly deserve to be remembered with honor.

518 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:02:31pm

Speakin' of MST3K, did ya'll know the boys are still going strong as Rifftrax, only now they're going after major movies as opposed to just older films? I give you a good example:

Youtube Video
519 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:02:49pm

Stewart edited the Sherrod clip. Awesomeness.

520 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:02pm

re: #502 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I like to think that LGF is a place where intellectuals of all stripes can come together, find common ground, and occasionally nerd-out without worrying that others will get uptight about "thread-jacking" and so forth. It's a blog that doesn't really take itself seriously, yet is still "serious business."

You kind of threw me with that 'find common ground' bit. Kinda conflicts with the take no prisoners arguments.

521 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:03pm

Wow Jon Stewart just nailed Andrew hard!

522 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:20pm

NBK is a film about how watching violence makes violence acceptable. Irony.

523 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:33pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

I'll give you Wall Street. I've never seen the middle three. JFK was conspiracy-minded drek. It's also a movie whose main star is Kevin Costner, and that's red flag for me since The Postman (The Untouchables doesn't count since that also has Sean Connery).

Oh JfK IS conspiracy minded drek, THAT'S WHY I LIKE IT :D It's not so much that it's really good, it's that it's crazy and unhinged in a way I enjoy.


Kevin Costner movies that were legitimately good: Field of Dreams

That's it, I think

524 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:04:30pm

re: #521 jamesfirecat

Wow Jon Stewart just nailed Andrew hard!

In... no, not gonna do it.

525 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:04:35pm

re: #516 Cannadian Club Akbar

When Juliette Lewis jumps up and down on the guys chest, just awesome.

Juliette Lewis has this knack for being fascinating and compelling and just utterly repellent at the same time

526 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:04:50pm

re: #514 WindUpBird

I can't handle that kind of mentality. I seen enough violence to watch it and "enjoy" it. Not my thing.

527 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:04:53pm

re: #523 WindUpBird

Every listen to Coast to Coast AM? I love teh crazy!!

528 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:05:03pm

re: #524 JasonA

In... no, not gonna do it.

Wouldn't be prudent?

/

529 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:05:09pm

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta

Youtube Video
530 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:05:44pm

re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar

Exactly. That's why I won't watch it.

531 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:05pm

re: #515 rightwingconspirator

Like Reservoir Dogs. I did see that. That sort of film is literally anathema to me personally. I make no claim it should be censored or anything. But the popularity of those films is right up there with Romans going to watch the gladiators. Unhealthy celebrations of humanity's capacity for cruelty. Thats why hell has no fear for me. It's seems more likely to be right here in the minds of men. The Saw franchise? Torture porn.

Well, unlike Saw, Stone and Tarantino really do have talent. But Stone has turned his to a foul end with his upcoming cinematic butt-kiss to Venezuelan tyrant Hugo Chavez. And I think he and Tarantino may have a falling out over Stone's pro-Hitler remarks. Tarantino at least understands what a monster Hitler was.

532 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:28pm

re: #515 rightwingconspirator

Like Reservoir Dogs. I did see that. That sort of film is literally anathema to me personally. I make no claim it should be censored or anything. But the popularity of those films is right up there with Romans going to watch the gladiators. Unhealthy celebrations of humanity's capacity for cruelty. Thats why hell has no fear for me. It's seems more likely to be right here in the minds of men. The Saw franchise? Torture porn.

I think we see movies for different reasons :D

I essentially celebrate unhealthy art, I enjoy it for its unhealthiness. Someone has this to say, somewhere, someone believed in it. There are movies on my shelf five times as fucked up as Saw. Because that's how Japan rolls.

533 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:43pm

Jon is f*cking Andy up.

534 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:51pm

re: #527 Cannadian Club Akbar

Every listen to Coast to Coast AM? I love teh crazy!!

oh every night when I was working graves at my health care job! George Norry is no Art bell tho :P

535 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:56pm

re: #528 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thank you George Herbert Walker Bush.

536 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:07:16pm

re: #520 b_sharp

You kind of threw me with that 'find common ground' bit. Kinda conflicts with the take no prisoners arguments.

We find common ground all the time. It tends to be the small details, the small differences in opinion, that we spend hours arguing over.

537 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:07:19pm

re: #523 WindUpBird

Oh JfK IS conspiracy minded drek, THAT'S WHY I LIKE IT :D It's not so much that it's really good, it's that it's crazy and unhinged in a way I enjoy.

Kevin Costner movies that were legitimately good: Field of Dreams

That's it, I think

Well, our tastes do differ a bit. :)

538 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:07:30pm

re: #515 rightwingconspirator

Like Reservoir Dogs. I did see that. That sort of film is literally anathema to me personally. I make no claim it should be censored or anything. But the popularity of those films is right up there with Romans going to watch the gladiators. Unhealthy celebrations of humanity's capacity for cruelty. Thats why hell has no fear for me. It's seems more likely to be right here in the minds of men. The Saw franchise? Torture porn.

Annoying Orange - Saw

539 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:07:31pm

re: #530 Irenicum

Exactly. That's why I won't watch it.

In the directors cut Ashely Judd get stabbed by Woody Harrelson in court. Didn't make the regular cut. He used a pencil.

540 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:07:53pm

re: #535 Irenicum

Thank you George Herbert Walker Bush.

"Mr President" will work just fine, that you.

/

541 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:08:11pm

re: #526 Irenicum

I can't handle that kind of mentality. I seen enough violence to watch it and "enjoy" it. Not my thing.

That's sort of how I feel about reality shows. For some reason violence in a movie like 'Dogs or NBK doesn't bother me, but the catty bullcrap and arguing on reality shows drives me around the bend, i can't even be in the room when some of those shows are on

542 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:08:28pm

re: #536 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

We find common ground all the time. It tends to be the small details, the small differences in opinion, that we spend hours arguing over.

You are right. I didn't look at it from that angle.

543 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:09:29pm

re: #511 Killgore Trout

It's still a mystery as to what caused is causing Zoe's anger issues. The only thing the vet suggested that seemed to make sense is more play time. Let's see if that works.

She's still having those problems?

Strange. Hope the play time works.

544 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:09:36pm

re: #541 WindUpBird

Same here. Can't stand that perverse tripe.

545 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:09:47pm

re: #532 WindUpBird

I think we see movies for different reasons :D

I essentially celebrate unhealthy art, I enjoy it for its unhealthiness. Someone has this to say, somewhere, someone believed in it. There are movies on my shelf five times as fucked up as Saw. Because that's how Japan rolls.

You must never become a cafeteria manager.

546 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:09:48pm

Heh. Stewart's digging on the administration now. More fair and balanced than Fox could ever hope to be.

547 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:10:31pm

re: #546 JasonA

Heh. Stewart's digging on the administration now. More fair and balanced than Fox could ever hope to be.

You made me turn it on!!

548 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:11:37pm

re: #411 JasonA

Like I said, liar and scum.
Not only does the post you dug up not support your false accusation, but it does not represent my latest position on the mosque, which is that it is constitutionally protected so long as there are other houses of worship in the area. Furthermore, to attempt to boil down the threat of radical Islam to the mosque issue is a pathetic dodge.

549 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:11:42pm

re: #537 Dark_Falcon

Well, our tastes do differ a bit. :)

I suspect they may, yeah. Not a lot of Dario Argento films on your bookshelf, I imagine? :D

550 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:12:33pm

re: #548 Spare O'Lake

You're still here?

551 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:12:57pm

Jason, I think there is something out there. I smelled a bit of sulfur in the air.

552 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:06pm

re: #545 Decatur Deb

You must never become a cafeteria manager.

If I were managing a cafeteria, it'd just be like hawaiian barbecue every day

553 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:11pm

re: #523 WindUpBird

Kevin Costner movies that were legitimately good: Field of Dreams

That's it, I think

Bull Durham. He also shot several scenes as the dead guy in the Big Chill, and improved the final film by being edited out.

554 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:23pm

re: #539 Cannadian Club Akbar

There are certain kinds of "scenes" that I can't deal with. Some kinds of sadistic violence and also some scenes of sexual or psych violence perpetrated against those unable to protect themselves. It just rings too close to what I've seen and to clientele who have suffered that reality. That's not entertainment.

555 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:36pm

re: #550 JasonA

You're still here?

Is the lock broken?

556 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:57pm

re: #553 goddamnedfrank

Bull Durham. He also shot several scenes as the dead guy in the Big Chill, and improved the final film by being edited out.

Okay, I did forget Bull Durham

557 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:58pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Jason, I think there is something out there. I smelled a bit of sulfur in the air.

Sharia... I just met a girl named Shariiiaaa...

558 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:14:05pm

re: #554 Irenicum

I understand.

559 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:14:07pm

re: #548 Spare O'Lake

Like I said, liar and scum.
Not only does the post you dug up not support your false accusation, but it does not represent my latest position on the mosque, which is that it is constitutionally protected so long as there are other houses of worship in the area. Furthermore, to attempt to boil down the threat of radical Islam to the mosque issue is a pathetic dodge.

What issues of radical Islam have arisen recently that we should be concerned about?

560 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:15:04pm

lol Daily Show just cracked on itself.

561 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:15:47pm

re: #554 Irenicum

There are certain kinds of "scenes" that I can't deal with. Some kinds of sadistic violence and also some scenes of sexual or psych violence perpetrated against those unable to protect themselves. It just rings too close to what I've seen and to clientele who have suffered that reality. That's not entertainment.

makes sense!

I will say that I know a couple people in the nursing/psych profession whose tastes make a beeline to any movie about insane haunted hospitals or horrific insane asylums, I think it's their way of blowing off steam. And then they're all "wow, the effects in this are really accurate!" [insert incredibly detailed medical description of horrific trauma onscreen]

562 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:16:03pm

re: #560 JasonA

lol Daily Show just cracked on itself.

Did he just call him Tony Stewart?

563 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:16:09pm

re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks man. Some things aren't funny.

564 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:16:34pm

Damnit, now I'm gonna have to wait until the Daily Show reruns later. Seeing Stewart light into Breitbart will be worth being a zombie tomorrow.

565 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:16:39pm

re: #551 b_sharp

re: #557 JasonA

re: #555 b_sharp

Wow, is it high school again?

566 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:17:16pm

re: #565 cliffster

re: #557 JasonA

re: #555 b_sharp

Wow, is it high school again?

Youtube Video
567 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:17:59pm

re: #566 WindUpBird

[Video]

I expected the Ramones.

568 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:18:19pm

re: #550 JasonA

You're still here?

Yeah, I had to walk the dog.
The fact that some extremists are attacking Islam or are attacking the mosque is not a valid reason to tune out the very real threat of radical Islam.

569 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:18:33pm

re: #565 cliffster

re: #557 JasonA

re: #555 b_sharp

Wow, is it high school again?

At least we have better textbooks than Texas will.

570 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:00pm

re: #549 WindUpBird

I suspect they may, yeah. Not a lot of Dario Argento films on your bookshelf, I imagine? :D

No, I have very few movies on my shelves. They tend to be loaded with books and game minis.

571 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:05pm

re: #565 cliffster

re: #557 JasonA

re: #555 b_sharp

Wow, is it high school again?

Just venting without fighting.

572 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:13pm

re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did he just call him Tony Stewart?

I heard it as "Tony Stark" either way they were probably riffing on Jon's new facial hair....

573 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:17pm

re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar

I expected the Ramones.

That would be frontin', I don't really listen to the Ramones. I'm more of a Stooges fan :D

574 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:49pm

re: #565 cliffster

re: #557 JasonA

re: #555 b_sharp

Wow, is it high school again?

Youtube Video
575 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:54pm

re: #572 jamesfirecat

I heard it as "Tony Stark" either way they were probably riffing on Jon's new facial hair...

I think it was sports guy from what Wyatt said. I dunno. Over my head.

576 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:56pm

re: #568 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, I had to walk the dog.
The fact that some extremists are attacking Islam or are attacking the mosque is not a valid reason to tune out the very real threat of radical Islam.

You have yet to mention what the "very real threat" of radical Islam is.

So tell us.

What is the threat that we were not previously aware of?

577 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:58pm

re: #561 WindUpBird

And that makes sense too. It's a normal response to the extremes they've seen in their own experiences. It still troubles me. This tendency lends itself to desensitizing.

578 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:20:34pm

re: #574 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds


oh yeah?

Youtube Video

YEAH

579 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:20:36pm

re: #575 JasonA

I think it was sports guy from what Wyatt said. I dunno. Over my head.

He did mention Jim Rome.

580 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:21:16pm

re: #568 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, I had to walk the dog.
The fact that some extremists are attacking Islam or are attacking the mosque is not a valid reason to tune out the very real threat of radical Islam.

I swear your life would be empty and dead without the threat of radical islam to keep you gettin' up in the morning.

581 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:21:17pm

re: #578 WindUpBird

Upding for the Mr. Bungle referance.

582 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:21:51pm

re: #568 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, I had to walk the dog.
The fact that some extremists are attacking Islam or are attacking the mosque is not a valid reason to tune out the very real threat of radical Islam.

Dude! You came onto a thread and out of NOWHERE post:
re: #247 Spare O'Lake

Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my
Usual Radical Muslim Alerts
Oh my

If there's something specific you would like to bring up then go for it. But don't be upset with us because it's not being talked about.

583 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:22:01pm

re: #577 Irenicum

And that makes sense too. It's a normal response to the extremes they've seen in their own experiences. It still troubles me. This tendency lends itself to desensitizing.

well, their gigs are a lot less stressful than it sounds like yours was, less with the thorazine and more with the patiently conducting group therapy and spending hours and hours and hours writing clinical this-and-that.

584 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:22:45pm

re: #568 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, I had to walk the dog.
The fact that some extremists are attacking Islam or are attacking the mosque is not a valid reason to tune out the very real threat of radical Islam.

That is true, but you should understand that JasonA was not trying to dodge. Have some good will, you'll feel better.

585 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:23:10pm

re: #581 Cannadian Club Akbar

Upding for the Mr. Bungle referance.

Everything Mike Patton does I love :D I literally own a copy of Adult Themes For Voice.

Tomahawk is currently tickling my fancy as, like, actual listenable music. The instant I heard Faith No More it was love.

586 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:23:11pm

re: #584 Dark_Falcon

"Radical Islam is a Red Herring"

587 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:24:23pm

re: #586 windsagio

"Radical Islam is a Red Herring"

so then what's the salmon?

588 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:24:26pm

re: #586 windsagio

"Radical Islam is a Red Herring"

till you meet it.

589 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:24:35pm

Wow... unbelievable.. I just spent 5 days off and on, and 131 emails back and forth, from the Kaiser visit survey consultant, all to finally take my recommendation what we need one new piece of data with each visit record to complete a new "layer" to how they are issuing and collecting surveys.

Back and forth between my original analysts, over 30 hours of bookable time, actual time needed to CODE the modifications AND then to TEST the application, about 20 minutes.

Damn, it's amazing how much time and money people waste. There must be someone down stream from me that is getting paid a hell of a lot more than me, and that person is determined to stretch out these simple changes so Kaiser is paying through the nose.

This is a prime example of why I don't like consulting. Because it's my nature to do thing fast, correctly and honestly, the first time, and not pad and try to book out unneeded hours.

Yep... I make a few bucks, and those few bucks will go into the Paris trip for Jan., but still, it chaps me to no end. I just know for 30 years experience that someone down the line is wanting to look really good, and is taking advantage of this.

Sorry to vent, the IT people here know what I am talking about.

590 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:24:45pm

re: #587 Aceofwhat?

so then what's the salmon?

Lox...

591 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:25:00pm

re: #582 JasonA

all I can think of is how good Usual Radical Muslim Alerts Oh My! sounds when it's put into a 12/8 rhythm

592 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:25:26pm

re: #579 Cannadian Club Akbar

He did mention Jim Rome.

OK, wait a minute. I will have to watch now.

593 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:25:48pm

re: #583 WindUpBird

I worked in the period between the bad old days and what we have now. I had clients who saw the worst (and by the worst, I mean it), and we lived with the aftermath. Strangely enough, I miss that work to this day. I love them to this day.

594 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:26:11pm

re: #576 jamesfirecat

You have yet to mention what the "very real threat" of radical Islam is.

So tell us.

What is the threat that we were not previously aware of?

If you would care to list all the ones you are aware of, I will answer your facile and dishonest rhetorical question.

595 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:26:22pm

re: #590 brookly red

Lox...

i can dig it

596 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:26:23pm

re: #591 WindUpBird

all I can think of is how good Usual Radical Muslim Alerts Oh My! sounds when it's put into a 12/8 rhythm

Try the 5/4 time from "Everythings Alright" (superstar)

597 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:26:27pm

re: #587 Aceofwhat?

so then what's the salmon?

Farm raised is high in Omega 6. Wild is high in Omega 3. But we've had this conversation.

598 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:26:29pm

re: #561 WindUpBird
Article 99, shot in KC
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
Gothika[Link: gothikamovie.warnerbros.com...]

599 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:27:09pm

re: #588 brookly red

till you meet it.

In Tennessee?

That's like being in Los Angeles and being afraid of kangaroos

600 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:27:39pm

re: #597 Cannadian Club Akbar

Farm raised is high in Omega 6. Wild is high in Omega 3. But we've had this conversation.

Farm raised is much higher in toxicity. Stay away from that shit.. it's poison.

601 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:11pm

re: #592 Stanley Sea

OK, wait a minute. I will have to watch now.

It was just a tease...they weren't really interested in sports.

So what did you think of the SEC media days? How about them sports agents, eh?

602 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:14pm

re: #580 windsagio

I swear your life would be empty and dead without the threat of radical islam to keep you gettin' up in the morning.

Loser. I would love nothing more.

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:26pm

re: #600 cliffster

Farm raised is much higher in toxicity. Stay away from that shit.. it's poison.

Omega3: Good
Omega 6: Keel you

604 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:31pm

re: #600 cliffster

Farm raised is much higher in toxicity. Stay away from that shit.. it's poison.

Is that unavoidable, or just bad practice?

605 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:41pm

re: #600 cliffster

Farm raised is much higher in toxicity. Stay away from that shit.. it's poison.

Sure it is.

606 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:43pm

re: #594 Spare O'Lake

If you would care to list all the ones you are aware of, I will answer your facile and dishonest rhetorical question.

Okay let me rephrase it.

Has Radical Muslim brought about any new threats in the last week?

In the last month?

607 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:54pm

Hey kids, it's late. Be well and play well. See ya on the other side.

608 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:55pm

LOL. Liveblogging Stalkers outraged: Killgore Feeding Drugs to Kittens

The Lost Filmstrips of Father Carlos

Youtube Video
609 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:57pm

re: #587 Aceofwhat?

so then what's the salmon?

At Brookfield Zoo. They have Coho Salmon of exhibit there, and you get to see what they look like while out at sea. The Japanese actually prefer to catch salmon still out at sea, but they also eat whale meat and fugu,

610 brookly red  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:28:59pm

re: #599 WindUpBird

In Tennessee?

That's like being in Los Angeles and being afraid of kangaroos

/that open borders thing is a bitch...

611 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:29:30pm

re: #601 Aceofwhat?

It was just a tease...they weren't really interested in sports.

So what did you think of the SEC media days? How about them sports agents, eh?

I think we might be in trouble. But less than Alabama. I hope.

612 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:30:11pm

And how's the room this fine evening?

613 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:30:16pm

re: #611 Stanley Sea

I think we might be in trouble. But less than Alabama. I hope.

Who are you a fan of?

614 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:30:40pm

re: #612 Guanxi88

And how's the room this fine evening?

Don't you start!!
/

615 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:30:48pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Killgore is an animal abuser. I would pistol whip him and put a slug in his knee caps, if I saw him hurt an animal in front of me. I hate animal abusers and I give them no mercy. Animals are beautiful beings.


Ah, I was having a really crappy day but that did cheer me up.

616 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:31:02pm

re: #613 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who are you a fan of?

UF (Can't believe you're not!!)

617 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:31:24pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

LOL. Liveblogging Stalkers outraged: Killgore Feeding Drugs to Kittens

The Lost Filmstrips of Father Carlos

[Video]

That was kind of nasty to say Killgore, even though I know you'd never do that. Dorkus is just hating, as usual.

618 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:31:37pm

re: #614 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't you start!!
/

I won't.
I'm sober as a judge.
A Mormon judge, on a Sunday, in a dry county.
During Prohibition.
Really awful.

619 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #590 brookly red

Lox...

re: #597 Cannadian Club Akbar

Farm raised is high in Omega 6. Wild is high in Omega 3. But we've had this conversation.

re: #609 Dark_Falcon

At Brookfield Zoo. They have Coho Salmon of exhibit there, and you get to see what they look like while out at sea. The Japanese actually prefer to catch salmon still out at sea, but they also eat whale meat and fugu,

Actually, i prefer toro...

620 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:31:41pm

re: #616 Stanley Sea

UF (Can't believe you're not!!)

USF. I'm a homer.

621 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:32:19pm

re: #610 brookly red

/that open borders thing is a bitch...

Radical muslims from mexico, got it

Also, stay away from the zoroastrian zombie stewardesses, they might make you the inflight meal

622 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #618 Guanxi88

I won't.
I'm sober as a judge.
A Mormon judge, on a Sunday, in a dry county.
During Prohibition.
Really awful.

I am so sorry...
/

623 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:32:34pm

re: #588 brookly red

Not up on film references I guess :(

624 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:32:48pm

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Ah, I was having a really crappy day but that did cheer me up.

He does talk violently when he gets in his cups, doesn't he?

625 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:33:05pm

re: #621 WindUpBird

You missed it man, there are drug runners in mexico with Pro-HAMAS tatoos in arabic!

It was all over the news or something.

626 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:33:09pm

re: #623 windsagio

Not up on film references I guess :(

Two...plus one

plus one...


...plus two...

627 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:33:11pm

re: #604 Decatur Deb

Is that unavoidable, or just bad practice?

well for starters, they feed the farm raised salmon with chopped up farm raised salmon. so the toxicity gets more concentrated. Sort've like the old pollution pyramids they taught us back in the day, where plankton had very little toxin but the eagles, who eat the big fish that eat the little fish that eat the crustaceans that eat the plankton, have a high concentration.

628 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:33:32pm

re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am so sorry...
/

Hey, it can happen to anyone. Poor planning, as much as anything else.

Oh, and the wife and spawn have returned from their road-trip, so I've got to clean up a bit.

Had a three-day growth of stubble a mere half hour before they arrived.

629 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

That was kind of nasty to say Killgore, even though I know you'd never do that. Dorkus is just hating, as usual.

I regret to inform you of the ugly truth. I did give my kitten valium and I'm going to do it again in a bout an hour. She got a prescription this morning and I'm Eeeeevil!

630 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:34:11pm

re: #625 windsagio

You missed it man, there are drug runners in mexico with Pro-HAMAS tatoos in arabic!

It was all over the news or something.

and they've got armored trikes and jumps so they can just vault across the border fence like evel kinevel, AKs akimbo

631 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:34:13pm

re: #611 Stanley Sea

I think we might be in trouble. But less than Alabama. I hope.

I agree that i'd rather be UF than Bama in this respect. But the NCAA is feeling feisty after USC, so it's a bad time to be on the naughty list...

I'm really interested to see how good Brantley and Mallett are going to be. Off the top of my head, i think they're going to be the two best pure passers this year in the SEC.

In other news...the Pac10 is going to absolutely suck this year. They have no one. Nada.

632 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:34:26pm

re: #606 jamesfirecat

Okay let me rephrase it.

Has Radical Muslim brought about any new threats in the last week?

In the last month?

Are you telling me that your are honestly unaware of any newsworthy incidents in the past month?
Are you?

633 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:34:50pm

re: #605 b_sharp

Sure it is.

I encourage all liberals to eat lots of farm raised salmon, and lots of tuna. And play with toys made in China.

634 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:35:15pm

re: #606 jamesfirecat

Okay let me rephrase it.

Has Radical Muslim brought about any new threats in the last week?

In the last month?

In July 2010, a Seattle cartoonist was warned by the FBI of a death threat issued by al-Awlaki in the Al-Qaeda magazine Inspire.[92] Eight other cartoonists, journalists, and writers from Britain, Sweden, and Holland were also threatened with death. "The prophet is the pinnacle of Jihad", Awlaki wrote. "It is better to support the prophet by attacking those who slander him than it is to travel to land of Jihad like Iraq or Afghanistan."

635 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:36:18pm

re: #632 Spare O'Lake

Are you telling me that your are honestly unaware of any newsworthy incidents in the past month?
Are you?

None involving massive radical Islam threats.

Do you have something to tell me?

If so stop dancing around it, and dish!

636 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:37:31pm

Oddly enough, I've been all wrapped up and tied in knots over the Dept of Ed's decision to proceed with the whole "gainful employment" provisions of the Higher Education Act. Real inside baseball type of stuff, but the gist is that for-profit schools - like mine - are going to be held to yet another set of standards (these more or less impossible to meet) to which the not-for profits (and the taxpayer subsidized publics) are not.

Think of it as a simulacrum of the whole "public option" thing with healthcare.

637 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:38:04pm

re: #635 jamesfirecat

None involving massive radical Islam threats.

Do you have something to tell me?

If so stop dancing around it, and dish!

Your medication is wearing off, you're starting to talk like a bad episode of The Untouchables.

638 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:38:06pm

re: #634 Walter L. Newton

In July 2010, a Seattle cartoonist was warned by the FBI of a death threat issued by al-Awlaki in the Al-Qaeda magazine Inspire.[92] Eight other cartoonists, journalists, and writers from Britain, Sweden, and Holland were also threatened with death. "The prophet is the pinnacle of Jihad", Awlaki wrote. "It is better to support the prophet by attacking those who slander him than it is to travel to land of Jihad like Iraq or Afghanistan."

I rate this a "been there done this"

Clearly those people should be protected by the police (didn't somebody try to murder the Danish guy with an axe at one point?) but it's not like threatening cartoonists who draw Mohammad is a new feature of radical Islam....

639 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:38:18pm

Colbert cut a Gibbs statement with the Gibson tape. Funny as hell.

640 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:38:22pm

re: #635 jamesfirecat

None involving massive radical Islam threats.

Do you have something to tell me?

If so stop dancing around it, and dish!

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS!?!?!?

Youtube Video
641 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:38:44pm

nighty night all

642 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:38:51pm

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

That was kind of nasty to say Killgore, even though I know you'd never do that. Dorkus is just hating, as usual.

The fan club, all sitting at their vanity mirrors, doing their hair into curls with pictures of you and killgore taped all around it, kicking their mary janes in the air as they talk on their princess phones

643 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:39:06pm

re: #635 jamesfirecat

None involving massive radical Islam threats.

Do you have something to tell me?

If so stop dancing around it, and dish!

Does the threat have to be massive in order to arouse your concern?
If so, please define massive.

644 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:39:41pm

re: #636 Guanxi88

I will say, though, that this is a fine time to be in Texas in general, and Guadalupe County in particular, the goshawful heat and humidity notwithstanding.

645 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:39:56pm

re: #638 jamesfirecat

I rate this a "been there done this"

Clearly those people should be protected by the police (didn't somebody try to murder the Danish guy with an axe at one point?) but it's not like threatening cartoonists who draw Mohammad is a new feature of radical Islam...

McLEAN, Va. — A man known for posting an online warning that the creators of “South Park” risked death by mocking the Prophet Muhammad was arrested Wednesday and charged with providing material support to a Somali terror group linked to al-Qaida.
Zachary A. Chesser, 20, of Oakton, Va., told FBI agents that he twice tried to travel to Somalia to join al-Shabab as a fighter. On the most recent attempt, earlier this month, Chesser brought his infant son with him as he tried to board a flight from New York to Uganda so he would look less suspicious, according to an FBI affidavit.

646 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:40:02pm

re: #643 Spare O'Lake

Does the threat have to be massive in order to arouse your concern?
If so, please define massive.

Massive - "pre-2009"

647 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:07pm

re: #642 WindUpBird

The fan club, all sitting at their vanity mirrors, doing their hair into curls with pictures of you and killgore taped all around it, kicking their mary janes in the air as they talk on their princess phones

Damn you for making me picture that.

648 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:20pm

re: #643 Spare O'Lake

Does the threat have to be massive in order to arouse your concern?
If so, please define massive.

Okay just give me something new to be concerned about!

What has Radical Islam done that has aroused YOUR concern that made you feel you had to post about it?

649 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:29pm

re: #633 cliffster

I encourage all liberals to eat lots of farm raised salmon, and lots of tuna. And play with toys made in China.

Show me a science paper that indicates farm raised salmon are more toxic, or have more Omega-6 than wild salmon.

650 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:32pm

re: #647 JasonA

Damn you for making me picture that.

That's what I'm here for :D

651 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:37pm

re: #642 WindUpBird

Darn it, where is my princess phone? I have wanted one of those for I am embarrassed to say how long.

652 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:48pm

re: #648 jamesfirecat

Okay just give me something new to be concerned about!

What has Radical Islam done that has aroused YOUR concern that made you feel you had to post about it?

This is stretching into infinity

653 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:42:13pm

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

McLEAN, Va. — A man known for posting an online warning that the creators of “South Park” risked death by mocking the Prophet Muhammad was arrested Wednesday and charged with providing material support to a Somali terror group linked to al-Qaida.
Zachary A. Chesser, 20, of Oakton, Va., told FBI agents that he twice tried to travel to Somalia to join al-Shabab as a fighter. On the most recent attempt, earlier this month, Chesser brought his infant son with him as he tried to board a flight from New York to Uganda so he would look less suspicious, according to an FBI affidavit.

I saw this story previously (pretty sure it was mentioned on LGF) don't see any reason to get concerned about it because the guy has already been arrested....

654 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:42:44pm

re: #629 Killgore Trout

I regret to inform you of the ugly truth. I did give my kitten valium and I'm going to do it again in a bout an hour. She got a prescription this morning and I'm Eeeevil!

Why does the kitten need Valium?

655 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:42:44pm

In other encouraging news, my home processing of raw tobacco has been a success. Sliced into the first carrotte of my tobacco, and it came out sweet, strong, and wholesome, to the extent tobacco can be wholesome.

A lotta work, but the results are satisfactory, and, thanks to my scrupulous note-taking and careful measurements, I am confident I can replicate the process. So, when the time comes, I can supply 'baccy and booze to my neighbors and associates, making me a post-apocalyptic pillar of the community.

WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?

656 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:43:16pm

re: #651 prairiefire

Darn it, where is my princess phone? I have wanted one of those for I am embarrassed to say how long.

I googled it, I'll be damned, they still sell them: [Link: www.amazon.com...]

Though the pushbutton fake rotary is weak, I want a real rotary!

657 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:43:30pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

Why does the kitten need Valium?

Because he just WON'T STOP TALKING

658 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:44:54pm

re: #653 jamesfirecat

I saw this story previously (pretty sure it was mentioned on LGF) don't see any reason to get concerned about it because the guy has already been arrested...

I wouldn't be concerned about it. COmedy Central probably wasn't concerned about it. Cartoonist and political illustrators probably don't worry about things like this. Newspapers and media outlets never worry about possibly offending anyone. It's all unicorns and rainbows in your little world.

James... I'm glad your not concerned. Enjoy life. It's not your ass.

659 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:45:11pm

re: #657 WindUpBird

Because he just WON'T STOP TALKING

Trying... to not... say something really mean...

660 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:45:34pm

re: #653 jamesfirecat

I saw this story previously (pretty sure it was mentioned on LGF) don't see any reason to get concerned about it because the guy has already been arrested...

Yes, but it was a threat that was neutralized. Threats from Radical Islam appear every other week, at least. And not a week goes by where its adherents do not murder others in terror attacks. The point goes to Spare O' Lake, with a major assist from Walter.

661 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:45:56pm

re: #659 JasonA

Trying... to not... say something really mean...

Ok... say it to me... I'm good for bouncing things off of... if it helps?

662 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:16pm

re: #649 b_sharp

Show me a science paper that indicates farm raised salmon are more toxic, or have more Omega-6 than wild salmon.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

663 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:23pm

re: #643 Spare O'Lake

Does the threat have to be massive in order to arouse your concern?
If so, please define massive.

Big.Mexican.Women

664 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:31pm

re: #661 Walter L. Newton

Ok... say it to me... I'm good for bouncing things off of... if it helps?

Basketball.

665 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:37pm

Oh, and despite my previous flirtation with becoming a regular commuter on the Night Train Express, I've asked Sayyid to lay in no new stocks after I've finished the current case.

'Tis a powerful beverage, true enough, but the after-effects are so horrific that only more of the same can save me from zombification. And I'm clever enough to recognize a scam like that when I see it, even if it takes me four bottles to reach the epiphany.

Nope, it's thunderbird, cheap-ass mexican brandy, and the occasional California "port" - the way nature intended.

666 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:44pm

re: #660 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but it was a threat that was neutralized. Threats from Radical Islam appear every other week, at least. And not a week goes by where its adherents do not murder others in terror attacks. The point goes to Spare O' Lake, with a major assist from Walter.

I'm not really trying to assist anyone. I don't want to upset James little rose color world... I'm backing out of this.

667 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:51pm

re: #646 Guanxi88

Massive - "pre-2009"

The Dem libs pretend to be tired of hearing about radical Islam, and some of them actually hate hearing about it.
I'm not sure why, but I think it has something to do with the fact that some on the right are trashing all Muslims.
This is a very dangerous over-reaction by the silly Dem libs.

668 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:47:50pm

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

I wouldn't be concerned about it. COmedy Central probably wasn't concerned about it. Cartoonist and political illustrators probably don't worry about things like this. Newspapers and media outlets never worry about possibly offending anyone. It's all unicorns and rainbows in your little world.

James... I'm glad your not concerned. Enjoy life. It's not your ass.

Okay explain it to me...

Once the guy has been arrested and taken into custody, how does it do us any good to be concerned about that particular person?

Should we be worried that he's going to escape and wreck havoc?

I get that this particular example proves that when people are threatened we need to be taking them seriously, which is something I've been an advocate of ever since early 2010 when I read about how the Danish Cartoonist was nearly killed with an AXE!

I just don't get it, can you explain to me what this means that we need to be so worried about and how this si something new about the dangers of Radical Islam?

669 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:47:57pm

re: #649 b_sharp

Show me a science paper that indicates farm raised salmon are more toxic, or have more Omega-6 than wild salmon.

Er, well I read up on it when my wife was pregnant with our first kid, and she was trying to decide what kind of fish she could eat while pregnant. That's been four years though. You could google it. Or, if you just flat out don't believe it, then eat up that farm raised salmon. Yum yum. Epicurious has some good recipes.

670 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:48:27pm

re: #660 Dark_Falcon

The point goes to Spare O' Lake, with a major assist from Walter.

That how things work now? We decide we should talk about something and then dig up a story the suits the topic.

We should be talking about global warming. Now go find an article for us. I'll wait here...

671 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:48:31pm

re: #667 Spare O'Lake

Ridiculous. There are plenty of Democratic Liberals who recognize the real threat of radical Islam.

672 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:48:43pm

re: #662 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Where does that mention the difference between farm raised and wild salmon?

673 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:49:00pm

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

I'm not really trying to assist anyone. I don't want to upset James little rose color world... I'm backing out of this.

Understood, Walter. How are things more generally? Is the Pepsi Throwback at your store selling quickly?

674 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:49:21pm

re: #671 prairiefire

Ridiculous. There are plenty of Democratic Liberals who recognize the real threat of radical Islam.

Lieberman comes to mind as a good example; I'd entrust my security, but not my money, to his judgment.

675 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:49:44pm

re: #674 Guanxi88

Lieberman comes to mind as a good example; I'd entrust my security, but not my money, to his judgment.

I also don't want to entrust my internet to him....

676 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:50:14pm

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

Understood, Walter. How are things more generally? Is the Pepsi Throwback at your store selling quickly?

Is the what selling what? I just check out the stuff, I don't pay attention to what is on sale and what isn't... really.

677 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:50:34pm

re: #674 Guanxi88

Lieberman comes to mind as a good example; I'd entrust my security, but not my money, to his judgment.

*blanche* Lieberman...
I'm trusting President Obama with my security.

678 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:50:54pm

re: #672 b_sharp

Where does that mention the difference between farm raised and wild salmon?

[Link: www.shapefit.com...]

679 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:51:04pm

re: #599 WindUpBird

In Tennessee?

That's like being in Los Angeles and being afraid of kangaroos

My SIL in TN's husband is in Afghanistan.

I think she has a very clear sense of where you should and should not worry about radical Islam getting your ass.

680 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:51:14pm

re: #670 JasonA

That how things work now? We decide we should talk about something and then dig up a story the suits the topic.

We should be talking about global warming. Now go find an article for us. I'll wait here...

No. An assertion was made, Spare refuted it, and by my examination of the evidence, his refutation stood up.

681 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:51:21pm

re: #667 Spare O'Lake

I at least am more tired of your creepy monomania.

Obsession isn't healthy man, and you're obsessed with the "Threat of radical islam". I presume its just a symptom that you almost always use that exact phrase when you bring it up, tho'.

682 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:51:53pm

re: #681 windsagio

I at least am more tired of your creepy monomania.

Obsession isn't healthy man, and you're obsessed with the "Threat of radical islam". I presume its just a symptom that you almost always use that exact phrase when you bring it up, tho'.

What threat... did I miss something?

683 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:52:37pm

re: #675 jamesfirecat

I also don't want to entrust my internet to him...

This shows an interesting thing I've noticed of late - okay, I've not been the most perceptive of late - but has anyone else noticed that while the whole damned world continues its fiery spiral round the toilet bowl of History, the focus here in the States seems to be largely domestic?

Have we forgotten that this ain't the 90's anymore, and that a lot of that domestic policy crap can - and should - wait? I've said it before, I'll say it again:

The whole goddamned roof is fully engulfed, and folk are arguing about what color to paint the kitchen. And I fell into it same as everyone else.

684 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:53:10pm

re: #682 Walter L. Newton

What threat... did I miss something?

Lol, exactly :)

685 Nimed  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:53:21pm

re: #682 Walter L. Newton

I sure did, just arrived.

686 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:53:54pm

re: #676 Walter L. Newton

Is the what selling what? I just check out the stuff, I don't pay attention to what is on sale and what isn't... really.

Pepsico just released a limited run of Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback, which is those two sodas flavored with sugar instead of corn syrup. It sells fairly fast here in Chicago. I was just trying to make pleasant conversation.

687 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:54:06pm

re: #669 cliffster

Er, well I read up on it when my wife was pregnant with our first kid, and she was trying to decide what kind of fish she could eat while pregnant. That's been four years though. You could google it. Or, if you just flat out don't believe it, then eat up that farm raised salmon. Yum yum. Epicurious has some good recipes.

You are making a definitive claim, one that sounds like it comes from the health food industry, which in my book is suspect. They tend to use speculation rather than science.

Since you are making the positive claim, you should back it up.

688 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:54:25pm

re: #683 Guanxi88

Its not nearly as bad as you think, and in fact, in general things are getting better all the time (cue Beatles).

We're very inwardly obsessed right now because we're having to finally deal with the fallout from 30 years of stupid domestic/fiscal policy.

689 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

Pepsico just released a limited run of Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback, which is those two sodas flavored with sugar instead of corn syrup. It sells fairly fast here in Chicago. I was just trying to make pleasant conversation.

Come on down to the Lone Star State, and get yourself a Dublin Dr. Pepper - made with cane sugar; healthier for you, no doubt.

690 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:55:04pm

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

Interestingly, throwback fails blind tastetests! (so does true classic coke).

691 Guanxi88  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:56:55pm

re: #688 windsagio

Its not nearly as bad as you think, and in fact, in general things are getting better all the time (cue Beatles).

We're very inwardly obsessed right now because we're having to finally deal with the fallout from 30 years of stupid domestic/fiscal policy.

Not so sure about the optimism. There is a global freakin' recession on - the single largest military and economic power in the world is meekly retreating from its global responsibilities, from exhaustion as much as from anything else, while the PRC - who supplied low-grade flip-flops to the dollar stores a scant 15 years ago - steps up to the world stage as a major actor and a force to be reckoned with.

Meanwhile, nuclear weapons, and etc.....

692 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:57:11pm

re: #683 Guanxi88

This shows an interesting thing I've noticed of late - okay, I've not been the most perceptive of late - but has anyone else noticed that while the whole damned world continues its fiery spiral round the toilet bowl of History, the focus here in the States seems to be largely domestic?

Have we forgotten that this ain't the 90's anymore, and that a lot of that domestic policy crap can - and should - wait? I've said it before, I'll say it again:

The whole goddamned roof is fully engulfed, and folk are arguing about what color to paint the kitchen. And I fell into it same as everyone else.

I think you sort of put it perfectly without realizing it.

"This ain't the 90's anymore."

In the 90's things were more or less hunky dory domestically in the sense of jobs were being created people were being employed...

The economy under Clinton was experiencing a prolonged period of strong, sustained growth which was extremely pleasing to many people who simply wanted to lay back and.... (I'll stop this joke now)

The domestic situation in the US is so messed up these days with our near 10% unemployment that however bad things may be elsewhere we just can't help but want to fix our own problems first....

693 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:57:58pm

re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist

My SIL in TN's husband is in Afghanistan.

I think she has a very clear sense of where you should and should not worry about radical Islam getting your ass.

heh yeah o_o

694 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:04pm

I think the Beta is trying to jump out of his bowl...

695 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:09pm

re: #681 windsagio

I at least am more tired of your creepy monomania.

Obsession isn't healthy man, and you're obsessed with the "Threat of radical islam". I presume its just a symptom that you almost always use that exact phrase when you bring it up, tho'.

Actually, I'm not obsessed with the threat of radical Islam.
I know that radical Islam is the greatest security threat facing most of the world today. Those who deny that proven fact are the ones who are obsessed with its denial.

696 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:25pm

re: #685 Nimed

I sure did, just arrived.

DO NOT jump into the conversation without first going back to see who said what and why.
Seriously.
Major difficulties for you will ensue unless you first get a clue what it is you're jumping into and talking about.
It's happened to me.
*sob*
It ain't pretty.

697 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:55pm

re: #687 b_sharp

You are making a definitive claim, one that sounds like it comes from the health food industry, which in my book is suspect. They tend to use speculation rather than science.

Since you are making the positive claim, you should back it up.

[Link: www.ehow.com...]

698 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:18pm

re: #684 windsagio

Lol, exactly :)

re: #685 Nimed

I sure did, just arrived.

Radical Islam is a worldwide threat, every day, and it's something that I think this country is just getting use to, in the sense that we can't let it get in the way of trying to lead "normal" lives. I remember Paris back in the middle 90's, Metro stations blowing up in rush hour, as the years went by, they adapted, went on with their everyday, now you see para-military security with AK-47's hanging around town.

But I don't see the French people or press obsessed with it. I've been there 6 times in the last 10 years. I've spoke to people on this subject, it's scary stuff, but they aren't unhinged by it.

I think I see that in this country now, not a complacency, but an awareness that is healthy... the unhealthy aspects of radical Islam is sometimes not Islam itself, but people like Spencer and Geller, who have made a cottage industry out of it and rely on a daily does of fear mongering and hatred.

That's more of a threat than anything. A threat to a healthy balance in regards to this problem. We don't need out and out racism and bigotry on top of a real and honest threat that radical Islam has become to the world.

699 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:27pm

re: #695 Spare O'Lake

Kudos for denying something about yourself, then proving it within the same breath, I'm impressed :)

700 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:53pm

re: #678 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.shapefit.com...]

OK, now we're getting closer. That article mentioned studies that showed PCB differences between the two.

Now, about those studies.

701 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:56pm

re: #696 reine.de.tout

I like to make declarative sentences that fit it most anywhere.
But you are right. Especially when referencing to other posters.

702 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:00:02pm

re: #696 reine.de.tout

Also make sure you're caught up. I've occasionally gotten on someones case for something and then seen 5 posts down that they did a withdrawal/apology ;)

703 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:00:32pm

re: #696 reine.de.tout

You got my note, yes... I adjusted it for you... in mail tomorrow morning. It's a really pretty piece.

704 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:00:52pm

re: #625 windsagio

You missed it man, there are drug runners in mexico with Pro-HAMAS tatoos in arabic!

It was all over the news or something.

I thought the tattoos were in Farsi.

(Stop making fun of Rep. Myrick! She tries hard!)

705 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:01:39pm

re: #695 Spare O'Lake

Actually, I'm not obsessed with the threat of radical Islam.
I know that radical Islam is the greatest security threat facing most of the world today. Those who deny that proven fact are the ones who are obsessed with its denial.

It's a broad enough category that you can see anything in it, like a crystal ball, or that really ugly 70's carpet you often find in motels. And you can effectively claim it's always going to be a threat forever and ever until the end of humanity's tiny blink of an existence in the multiverse...

706 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #698 Walter L. Newton

Radical Islam is a worldwide threat, every day, and it's something that I think this country is just getting use to, in the sense that we can't let it get in the way of trying to lead "normal" lives. I remember Paris back in the middle 90's, Metro stations blowing up in rush hour, as the years went by, they adapted, went on with their everyday, now you see para-military security with AK-47's hanging around town.

But I don't see the French people or press obsessed with it. I've been there 6 times in the last 10 years. I've spoke to people on this subject, it's scary stuff, but they aren't unhinged by it.

I think I see that in this country now, not a complacency, but an awareness that is healthy... the unhealthy aspects of radical Islam is sometimes not Islam itself, but people like Spencer and Geller, who have made a cottage industry out of it and rely on a daily does of fear mongering and hatred.

That's more of a threat than anything. A threat to a healthy balance in regards to this problem. We don't need out and out racism and bigotry on top of a real and honest threat that radical Islam has become to the world.

F*** yes.

I agree.

I think we can destroy ourselves much easier than they could destroy us.

707 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:00pm

re: #702 windsagio

Also make sure you're caught up. I've occasionally gotten on someones case for something and then seen 5 posts down that they did a withdrawal/apology ;)

No kidding. Hell, thinking back . . . WUB did just that to me one time, recently too! Chased me away, he did. LOL Shall I forgive him?

And I apparently did it to you a day or two ago. Though I was trying to click backwards to see what it was all about. Sheesh.

708 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:01pm

re: #700 b_sharp

[Link: www.articlesbase.com...]

709 Summer Seale  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:03pm

Totally OT, but so awesome:

My sister, Winter, showed this to me a few hours ago. It's a wonderful "Live Improv" moment in Philadelphia by the Opera Company:

Youtube Video

Totally cool. =)

710 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:15pm

re: #694 prairiefire

I think the Beta is trying to jump out of his bowl...

Beta do jump. A lot.

I have found several dried up Beta on the floor. That's why I no longer have them.

711 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:15pm

re: #689 Guanxi88

Come on down to the Lone Star State, and get yourself a Dublin Dr. Pepper - made with cane sugar; healthier for you, no doubt.

Good news- Dr Pepper is doing a limited release of the cane-sugar version for their 125th Anniversary this summer. It's already in stores here in Dallas, and is being made at the same bottling plant in Plano as Dublin Dr Pepper.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

712 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:20pm

re: #703 Walter L. Newton

You got my note, yes... I adjusted it for you... in mail tomorrow morning. It's a really pretty piece.

yes, thank you so much!

713 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:21pm

re: #698 Walter L. Newton

Well said.

We're aware enough of what's going on, but that's different than people trying to tie everything back to "The Threat of Radical Islam" (I think from now on I'll be lazy, and just say TTORI, since it comes up alot).

There's a factor we need to be aware of, but its also not the only thing, or even the primary thing going on right now.

714 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:22pm

re: #689 Guanxi88

Come on down to the Lone Star State, and get yourself a Dublin Dr. Pepper - made with cane sugar; healthier for you, no doubt.

You can order those on E-Bay, too, but the shipping charges are brutal. Ultimately, you pay more for the shipping than the product.

715 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:39pm

re: #687 b_sharp

You are making a definitive claim, one that sounds like it comes from the health food industry, which in my book is suspect. They tend to use speculation rather than science.

Since you are making the positive claim, you should back it up.

This is really not an emotional issue for me.. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. But, here's one intertoob article on the subject

Here's another

716 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:59pm

re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist

ooops! That's what I get for not checking >>

And I"m sorry, I know she means well! (well not really, but I'll be nice :P)

717 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:03:06pm

re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist


(Stop making fun of Rep. Myrick! She tries hard!)

I think this is the meanest thing you have ever said :D

718 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:14pm

re: #707 reine.de.tout

we all do it sometimes, and I'd say forgive that jerk WUB even if he doesn't deserve it :p

He's a good enough guy when he's sober :D

/ZING!

719 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:27pm

re: #713 windsagio

Well said.

We're aware enough of what's going on, but that's different than people trying to tie everything back to "The Threat of Radical Islam" (I think from now on I'll be lazy, and just say TTORI, since it comes up alot).

There's a factor we need to be aware of, but its also not the only thing, or even the primary thing going on right now.

So true... we have much more to be concerned with, like getting Tancredo elected governor of Colorado :)

720 Nimed  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:49pm

re: #696 reine.de.tout

Ok, ok! Catching up...

It seems JasonA is a scummy liar, so no news here... Killgore is poisoning his cat... Godammit I missed an X-Files conversation.

721 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:50pm

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

Pepsico just released a limited run of Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback, which is those two sodas flavored with sugar instead of corn syrup. It sells fairly fast here in Chicago. I was just trying to make pleasant conversation.

And the verdict is - Pepsi tastes just as shitty when flavored with real sugar as when flavored with HFCS.

722 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:56pm

re: #718 windsagio

we all do it sometimes, and I'd say forgive that jerk WUB even if he doesn't deserve it :p

He's a good enough guy when he's sober :D

/ZING!

Heh.

723 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:05pm

re: #707 reine.de.tout

No kidding. Hell, thinking back . . . WUB did just that to me one time, recently too! Chased me away, he did. LOL Shall I forgive him?

And I apparently did it to you a day or two ago. Though I was trying to click backwards to see what it was all about. Sheesh.

I apologizored!

724 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:09pm

re: #634 Walter L. Newton

In July 2010, a Seattle cartoonist was warned by the FBI of a death threat issued by al-Awlaki in the Al-Qaeda magazine Inspire.[92] Eight other cartoonists, journalists, and writers from Britain, Sweden, and Holland were also threatened with death. "The prophet is the pinnacle of Jihad", Awlaki wrote. "It is better to support the prophet by attacking those who slander him than it is to travel to land of Jihad like Iraq or Afghanistan."

Well, the president wants him shot on sight, so at least we can't accuse Obama of not taking this seriously.

725 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:09pm

re: #718 windsagio

we all do it sometimes, and I'd say forgive that jerk WUB even if he doesn't deserve it :p

He's a good enough guy when he's sober :D

/ZING!

LOL.
Anyhoo, re: WUB - it was already done.

726 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the president wants him shot on sight, so at least we can't accuse Obama of not taking this seriously.

I don't think I did...

727 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:40pm

re: #719 Walter L. Newton

Lol, that is indeed your funeral :D

As an example, I'd say getting our economy (including healthcare, natch) under control is a substantially more important threat right now than TTORI is.

728 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:51pm

re: #710 b_sharp

Beta do jump. A lot.

I have found several dried up Beta on the floor. That's why I no longer have them.

Crap. The kids are counting the hours until this one X , X.

729 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:06:01pm

re: #723 WindUpBird

I apologizored!

I know {WUB}!
Odd day for me, that one was.

730 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:06:26pm

re: #697 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.ehow.com...]

I did specify science?

Pub Med, Google Scholar, Nature.

Not some health food warehouse or publication.

I googled, and all I found were health food sites, mentioning anonymous 'studies' without any cites at all.

731 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:06:29pm

re: #722 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heh.

Dammit, he's got it backwards, if I'm drunk on LGF, I never argue politics, I just post metal youtubes and goof off :D

(currently drinking: Ninkasi Radiant)

732 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:06:30pm

re: #724 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the president wants him shot on sight, so at least we can't accuse Obama of not taking this seriously.

SFZ abdicates assassination of US citizen; plz refudiate

/

733 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:06:42pm

re: #720 Nimed

Ok, ok! Catching up...

It seems JasonA is a scummy liar, so no news here... Killgore is poisoning his cat... Godammit I missed an X-Files conversation.

A perfect recap of the evening.

734 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07:14pm

re: #720 Nimed

You forgot "Battlestar Galactica 2.0 sucks and Firefly is mediocre!"

735 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07:36pm

re: #734 windsagio

You forgot "Battlestar Galactica 2.0 sucks and Firefly is mediocre!"

BLASPHEMY!

/

736 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07:40pm

re: #734 windsagio

You forgot "Battlestar Galactica 2.0 sucks and Firefly is mediocre!"

We don't talk about that anymore...

737 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07:55pm

re: #709 Summer

Totally OT, but so awesome:

My sister, Winter, showed this to me a few hours ago. It's a wonderful "Live Improv" moment in Philadelphia by the Opera Company:


[Video]Totally cool. =)

Valuable demonstration of our vulnerability to Worldwide Radical Contraltos.

738 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:03pm

re: #720 Nimed

Ok, ok! Catching up...

It seems JasonA is a scummy liar, so no news here... Killgore is poisoning his cat... Godammit I missed an X-Files conversation.

Plus Healthcare: we have to stop eating salmon...

739 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:21pm

re: #655 Guanxi88

In other encouraging news, my home processing of raw tobacco has been a success. Sliced into the first carrotte of my tobacco, and it came out sweet, strong, and wholesome, to the extent tobacco can be wholesome.

A lotta work, but the results are satisfactory, and, thanks to my scrupulous note-taking and careful measurements, I am confident I can replicate the process. So, when the time comes, I can supply 'baccy and booze to my neighbors and associates, making me a post-apocalyptic pillar of the community.

WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?

Guanxi88 runs Bartertown!

Sounds nice. What variety of tobacco are you growing?

740 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:29pm

re: #732 JasonA

SFZ abdicates assassination of US citizen; plz refudiate

/

Also forcible kitten drugging

741 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:34pm

re: #738 jaunte

Plus Healthcare: we have to stop eating salmon...

What about the salmon mousse?

/

742 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:35pm

re: #736 JasonA

That was the before time.

743 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:47pm

re: #708 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.articlesbase.com...]

Thanks for all the work CCA, but you're going backwards.

744 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:09:01pm

re: #730 b_sharp

[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

745 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:09:16pm

re: #727 windsagio

Lol, that is indeed your funeral :D

As an example, I'd say getting our economy (including healthcare, natch) under control is a substantially more important threat right now than TTORI is.

My problem with "TTORI" is that it's too much like LOTR and does my head in.

One wingnut to rule them all
one wingnut to find them
One wingnut to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them...

746 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:09:29pm

re: #741 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Fish/mammal hybrids are also off limits.

747 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:10:10pm

re: #745 iceweasel

My problem with "TTORI" is that it's too much like LOTR and does my head in.

One wingnut to rule them all
one wingnut to find them
One wingnut to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them...

hah!

Hmm I'll try to think up something else then.

748 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:10:12pm

re: #746 jaunte

Fish/mammal hybrids are also off limits.

I was REALLY drunk, OK!!
//

749 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:10:29pm

re: #745 iceweasel

My problem with "TTORI" is that it's too much like LOTR and does my head in.

One wingnut to rule them all
one wingnut to find them
One wingnut to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them...

All packed, sweetness?

750 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:10:40pm

re: #721 cliffster

And the verdict is - Pepsi tastes just as shitty when flavored with real sugar as when flavored with HFCS.

I disagree. And the Throwback version is a big hit with my gaming group.

751 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:11:07pm

re: #746 jaunte

How about a dog with a human head?

752 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:11:26pm

re: #750 Dark_Falcon

Throwback is an inspired name for a drink.

753 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:11:34pm

oops crap, gotta go get ready for work.

Don't take any wooden nickels, 'kay?

754 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:11:39pm

re: #715 cliffster

This is really not an emotional issue for me.. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. But, here's one intertoob article on the subject

Here's another

Now we're cooking with gas.

The first link in the google search pulled up a reference to a study.

Thank you.

755 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:11:46pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

Why does the kitten need Valium?

She's having some aggressive/anxiety issues.

756 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:11:49pm

re: #752 jaunte

Throwback is an inspired name for a drink.

Or a cover band.

757 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:12:01pm

re: #727 windsagio

Lol, that is indeed your funeral :D

As an example, I'd say getting our economy (including healthcare, natch) under control is a substantially more important threat right now than TTORI is.

I don't agree, but National Security issues are always the most important for me.

758 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:12:14pm

re: #751 windsagio

O, Lucky Man flashback...

759 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:12:22pm

re: #750 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. And the Throwback version is a big hit with my gaming group.

Whatever. I'm sure you love Pepsi, judging from your whereabouts, and I'm sure you call it "pop". When everyone knows the real word for it is "coke". As in, "What kind of coke do you want?" "Pepsi."

760 Nimed  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:12:48pm

re: #734 windsagio

You forgot "Battlestar Galactica 2.0 sucks and Firefly is mediocre!"

I have actually just seen episode of Firefly. What's supposed to be so great about it? OTOH, and if we ignore the weird ending, Galactica 2.0 is a serious candidate to the Best Science Fiction Series Ever Made prize.

761 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #755 Killgore Trout

She's having some aggressive/anxiety issues.

I'd think giving her a mouse would be a better idea. Let the cat tack out its aggression naturally. Fatal for the mouse, but the cat will enjoy it.

762 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:24pm

re: #759 cliffster

Whatever. I'm sure you love Pepsi, judging from your whereabouts, and I'm sure you call it "pop". When everyone knows the real word for it is "coke". As in, "What kind of coke do you want?" "Pepsi."

WORD!!

763 windsagio  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:39pm

re: #760 Nimed

Argh, I'm on my way out!

I'll try to log on the work computer tonight and let you know why you're deeply mistaken :D

764 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:40pm

re: #744 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

Got it.

Thanks.

765 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:49pm

re: #713 windsagio

Well said.

We're aware enough of what's going on, but that's different than people trying to tie everything back to "The Threat of Radical Islam" (I think from now on I'll be lazy, and just say TTORI, since it comes up alot).

There's a factor we need to be aware of, but its also not the only thing, or even the primary thing going on right now.

I think many people are more worried these days about domestic economic issues and the dangerous hyper-polarization of American politics than about radical Islam. This is not surprising in America, since there has not been a major successful terrorist attack since 9-11, unless you count Fort Hood.
But I really wish you would not go into denial of the very real and ongoing threat, and then accuse others of being mentally ill.
Grow up.

766 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #760 Nimed

I have actually just seen episode of Firefly. What's supposed to be so great about it? OTOH, and if we ignore the weird ending, Galactica 2.0 is a serious candidate to the Best Science Fiction Series Ever Made prize.

BSG 2.0's biggest flaw was they kept it going longer than they should have. On the flip side, the Galactica's "send-off" was one of the best scenes in the entire series, IMHO.

767 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:14:08pm

re: #759 cliffster

Whatever. I'm sure you love Pepsi, judging from your whereabouts, and I'm sure you call it "pop". When everyone knows the real word for it is "coke". As in, "What kind of coke do you want?" "Pepsi."

It is called "soda."

768 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:14:08pm

re: #760 Nimed

I have actually just seen episode of Firefly. What's supposed to be so great about it? OTOH, and if we ignore the weird ending, Galactica 2.0 is a serious candidate to the Best Science Fiction Series Ever Made prize.

Just stop watching when the find Earth. The first one. Perfect ending.

769 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:14:41pm

re: #749 JasonA

All packed, sweetness?

hey cutie!
Y'know, I pretty much am. Still have a few things to do but it's basically all done. Kinda freaked out by that!

I'm sure I'll still manage to be running around like a crazy person at the last minute, somehow. This is pretty darned organised for me, though. Flight is at 8PM wednesday...

What's new? How's mom?

770 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:14:58pm

re: #754 b_sharp

Now we're cooking with gas.

The first link in the google search pulled up a reference to a study.

Thank you.

absolootle

771 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:14:59pm

re: #759 cliffster

Whatever. I'm sure you love Pepsi, judging from your whereabouts, and I'm sure you call it "pop". When everyone knows the real word for it is "coke". As in, "What kind of coke do you want?" "Pepsi."

No, I just call it soda. And my affinity for Pepsi is to a great extent based on the fact that most of the soda I drink is diet, and Diet Pepsi kicks Diet Coke's ass. :P

772 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:15:21pm

re: #766 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry, let me correct myself a bit. BSG 2.0's first biggest flaw was going on too long. The second biggest flaw was chopping the seasons up into half-seasons, with several months in between.

773 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:15:48pm

re: #769 iceweasel

hey cutie!
Y'know, I pretty much am. Still have a few things to do but it's basically all done. Kinda freaked out by that!

I'm sure I'll still manage to be running around like a crazy person at the last minute, somehow. This is pretty darned organised for me, though. Flight is at 8PM wednesday...

What's new? How's mom?

She sounded better today. I had to stay home and nurse this sprained ankle. I went yesterday and braved the Bronx tornado, though :)

774 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:15:59pm

re: #767 prairiefire

It is called "soda."

In Pittsburgh it's "pop". When I moved to NYC I adopted "soda", but it always sounded effete.

775 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:16:16pm

re: #761 Dark_Falcon

I'd think giving her a mouse would be a better idea. Let the cat tack out its aggression naturally. Fatal for the mouse, but the cat will enjoy it.

The drugs are just a temporary measure until we figure what's going on with her. She's unfortunately taking out her aggression on the other cat right now.

776 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:16:29pm

re: #767 prairiefire

It is called "soda."

soda

777 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:16:38pm

re: #773 JasonA

She sounded better today. I had to stay home and nurse this sprained ankle. I went yesterday and braved the Bronx tornado, though :)

Not hyperbole, btw:

Bronx Storm Was a Tornado

778 Nimed  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:16:50pm

re: #763 windsagio

Argh, I'm on my way out!

I'll try to log on the work computer tonight and let you know why you're deeply mistaken :D

Alright, I'll check back. But you ain't got nuthin' dude.

779 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:02pm

re: #755 Killgore Trout

She's having some aggressive/anxiety issues.

I was talking to someone recently who mentioned some dogs needing prozac at times. Hadn't ever heard of this before but I gather it's been going on for a while and it works. Good luck with the kitty.

780 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:07pm

I had a Muslim with big boobs try to kill me with a farm raised Salmon while drinking a coke which she called a Pepsi. Did I cover everything?
///

781 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:08pm

re: #667 Spare O'Lake

The Dem libs pretend to be tired of hearing about radical Islam, and some of them actually hate hearing about it.
I'm not sure why, but I think it has something to do with the fact that some on the right are trashing all Muslims.

I'm not tired of hearing about radical Islam.

I am however tired of fake stories, false alarms, obsessive concern over nonstories, barely concealed bigotry, and information being passed on to me by people who know less about radical Islam and associated topics than I do, and have no intention of learning more.

I've lived with the threat of terrorism my whole life. I was in college before it really occurred to me that my Christian classmates didn't have armed police officers guarding their churches on Christmas and Easter...it was normal to see the police out front of Temple Emanu-El on Lake Street on the High Holidays.

Panicking doesn't solve anything. Common sense and good strategy are what is called for, along with courage.

I hope this clarifies the silly Dem lib take on the matter.

782 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:46pm

re: #774 Decatur Deb

It's funny, when I went tocollege, other people called it "pop", and I laughed at them. : (
It is made with soda water, carbonated...whatever. Regional thing.

783 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:47pm

re: #773 JasonA

She sounded better today. I had to stay home and nurse this sprained ankle. I went yesterday and braved the Bronx tornado, though :)

I was out in that!! WTF?!

784 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:00pm

re: #781 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not tired of hearing about radical Islam.

I am however tired of fake stories, false alarms, obsessive concern over nonstories, barely concealed bigotry, and information being passed on to me by people who know less about radical Islam and associated topics than I do, and have no intention of learning more.

I've lived with the threat of terrorism my whole life. I was in college before it really occurred to me that my Christian classmates didn't have armed police officers guarding their churches on Christmas and Easter...it was normal to see the police out front of Temple Emanu-El on Lake Street on the High Holidays.

Panicking doesn't solve anything. Common sense and good strategy are what is called for, along with courage.

I hope this clarifies the silly Dem lib take on the matter.

You mean your tired of Spencer, Geller, Wilder and Company.

785 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:01pm

re: #769 iceweasel

hey cutie!
Y'know, I pretty much am. Still have a few things to do but it's basically all done. Kinda freaked out by that!

I'm sure I'll still manage to be running around like a crazy person at the last minute, somehow. This is pretty darned organized for me, though. Flight is at 8PM wednesday...

What's new? How's mom?

Hello, Ice. Glad things are going well in terms of the move. Got any special Jimmah / Ice Production scheduled to go up for the occasion?

786 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:04pm

re: #777 JasonA

Not hyperbole, btw:

Bronx Storm Was a Tornado

Holy shit:

Buildings damaged included the Hebrew Home for the Aged on Palisades Avenue.

That was the first home we were considering for mom, but the insurance wouldn't cover it. Dodged a tornado there...

787 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:17pm

re: #780 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a Muslim with big boobs try to kill me with a farm raised Salmon while drinking a coke which she called a Pepsi. Did I cover everything?
///

Where was yo mama?

788 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:23pm

re: #770 cliffster

absolootle

I'm interested because we buy at Sam's a lot. I'll research their sources, if possible. In general I avoid eating too much of any one thing, thinning the inevitable poisons out a little.

789 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:29pm

re: #768 JasonA

Just stop watching when the find Earth. The first one. Perfect ending.

Had a buddy on another board post this just after that season finale aired:

Image: noteartheh7ac1.jpg

790 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:51pm

re: #787 jaunte

Where was yo mama?

Orbiting yours?
/

791 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:19:08pm

re: #781 SanFranciscoZionist

Anti Semite cases are still the highest number of hate crimes, year after year.

792 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:19:09pm

re: #779 iceweasel

I was talking to someone recently who mentioned some dogs needing prozac at times. Hadn't ever heard of this before but I gather it's been going on for a while and it works. Good luck with the kitty.

Thanks. I think she'll be ok. I was worried that her behavior was because she was sick or in pain. Thankfully it seems to be just a behavioral thing.

793 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:19:21pm

re: #775 Killgore Trout

The drugs are just a temporary measure until we figure what's going on with her. She's unfortunately taking out her aggression on the other cat right now.

I'm having troubles with my dog.. I've talked about it a little bit here. I wanted my vet to give her some drugs, but she said that we shouldn't do that - that the doggie-prozac will actually take away the inhibitions against aggression, and make it worse. She consulted several colleagues about it. Something to think about.

794 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:19:42pm

re: #783 iceweasel

I was out in that!! WTF?!

I was driving on the Deegan when it happened. That was some shitstorm. Literally, considering it's the Bronx...

795 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:20:20pm

re: #694 prairiefire

I think the Beta is trying to jump out of his bowl...

Oy.

796 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:20:22pm

re: #780 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a Muslim with big boobs try to kill me with a farm raised Salmon while drinking a coke which she called a Pepsi. Did I cover everything?
///

Congratulations! You win the thread!

797 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:20:31pm

re: #793 cliffster

I hope the dog does not feel threatened by your child.

798 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:21:42pm

re: #788 Decatur Deb

I'm interested because we buy at Sam's a lot. I'll research their sources, if possible. In general I avoid eating too much of any one thing, thinning the inevitable poisons out a little.

That's a good idea. Another - get as many of your calories from as low down the food chain as you can get. Veggies and fruit. Even protein - lots of protein in plant sources. Mind you - I don't take my own advice.. I eat beef like it's going extinct. But as for what I say, not what I do...

799 Nimed  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:22:34pm

re: #772 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry, let me correct myself a bit. BSG 2.0's first biggest flaw was going on too long. The second biggest flaw was chopping the seasons up into half-seasons, with several months in between.

Those were big mistakes. But the problem is that there are not that many science fiction series (series, not movies, mmk?) without big mistakes. Or cheesy dialogues, and subpar acting. A "The Sopranos" of the genre is yet to be created.

800 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:22:41pm

re: #781 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not tired of hearing about radical Islam.

I am however tired of fake stories, false alarms, obsessive concern over nonstories, barely concealed bigotry, and information being passed on to me by people who know less about radical Islam and associated topics than I do, and have no intention of learning more.

I've lived with the threat of terrorism my whole life. I was in college before it really occurred to me that my Christian classmates didn't have armed police officers guarding their churches on Christmas and Easter...it was normal to see the police out front of Temple Emanu-El on Lake Street on the High Holidays.

Panicking doesn't solve anything. Common sense and good strategy are what is called for, along with courage.

I hope this clarifies the silly Dem lib take on the matter.

Yes, thank you, it certainly does.
I apologize for smearing all silly Dem libs with the same brush as the relatively few infantile selfish proglodyte deniers.

801 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:22:48pm

re: #797 prairiefire

I hope the dog does not feel threatened by your child.

It's a mess. Dog and child don't co-exist much; she goes out when the kids are in. Sucks, but we're working on it.

802 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:23:18pm

re: #798 cliffster

It's probably a good idea to take some of the stress off the ocean fish population, at least for a generation or so.

803 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:23:20pm

re: #798 cliffster

That's a good idea. Another - get as many of your calories from as low down the food chain as you can get. Veggies and fruit. Even protein - lots of protein in plant sources. Mind you - I don't take my own advice.. I eat beef like it's going extinct. But as for what I say, not what I do...

I guess it's back to kelp and sea cucumbers.

804 BongCrodny  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:23:56pm

re: #371 WindUpBird

I only pray that I will be around for the day when science is at long last able to genetically fuse salmon to bacon.

805 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:23:58pm

re: #801 cliffster

It's a mess. Dog and child don't co-exist much; she goes out when the kids are in. Sucks, but we're working on it.

Be very careful, Cliffster. Those situations can change in a flash.

Night, lizards.

806 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:24:10pm

re: #794 JasonA

I was driving on the Deegan when it happened. That was some shitstorm. Literally, considering it's the Bronx...

ha! Er, yeah....

I was in brooklyn looking for a home depot (dont ask). For like ten minutes there was this insane wind. People were holding their hands over their eyes to avoid being blinded by miscellaneous pieces of grit flying through the air. Only about ten minutes though, maybe even less. It was so weird! can't imagine what it would have been like there. I love when the car almost gets blown off the road. /

The sad thing is that the wind is like that where Jimmah and I will be for like 8 months of the year. :(

807 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:24:30pm

re: #802 jaunte

It's probably a good idea to take some of the stress off the ocean fish population, at least for a generation or so.

That is why we in Florida had a grouper ban. (3 months I think)

808 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:25:26pm

re: #806 iceweasel

ha! Er, yeah...

I was in brooklyn looking for a home depot (dont ask). For like ten minutes there was this insane wind. People were holding their hands over their eyes to avoid being blinded by miscellaneous pieces of grit flying through the air. Only about ten minutes though, maybe even less. It was so weird! can't imagine what it would have been like there. I love when the car almost gets blown off the road. /

The sad thing is that the wind is like that where Jimmah and I will be for like 8 months of the year. :(

Heh. It was in Riverdale at the time. The worst part was the visibility. There was none. I did the responsible thing and pulled over for 15 minutes until it passed.

809 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:25:29pm

re: #800 Spare O'Lake

Yes, thank you, it certainly does.
I apologize for smearing all silly Dem libs with the same brush as the relatively few infantile selfish proglodyte deniers.

It's OK. We're all fellow "Radical Progressives" here.

[farts in the Stalker's general direction]

810 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:25:40pm

Goodnight, shalom and salaam aleikum.

811 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:25:53pm

re: #794 JasonA

I was driving on the Deegan when it happened. That was some shitstorm. Literally, considering it's the Bronx...

I've seen tornados in North New Jersey where I live for 10 years, it's not an yearly occurrence life down south or west, but it happens.

812 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:26:05pm

re: #800 Spare O'Lake

Yes, thank you, it certainly does.
I apologize for smearing all silly Dem libs with the same brush as the relatively few infantile selfish proglodyte deniers.

The whole thing smacks of effort.

813 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:26:52pm

re: #809 Dark_Falcon

It's OK. We're all fellow "Radical Progressives" here.

[farts in the Stalker's general direction]

I'm not.

///

814 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:27:01pm

re: #785 Dark_Falcon

Hello, Ice. Glad things are going well in terms of the move. Got any special Jimmah / Ice Production scheduled to go up for the occasion?

Nah, maybe I'll post a pic later though. Watched the sun set from battery park, sailboats and the statue of liberty...sniff. Hard to leave. But can't wait!
How goes it DF? What's new? (i'll brb btw)

815 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:27:33pm

re: #793 cliffster

I'm having troubles with my dog.. I've talked about it a little bit here. I wanted my vet to give her some drugs, but she said that we shouldn't do that - that the doggie-prozac will actually take away the inhibitions against aggression, and make it worse. She consulted several colleagues about it. Something to think about.

My mom didn't have any luck with prozac and her cats either.

816 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:28:05pm

re: #814 iceweasel

Nah, maybe I'll post a pic later though. Watched the sun set from battery park, sailboats and the statue of liberty...sniff. Hard to leave. But can't wait!
How goes it DF? What's new? (i'll brb btw)

Hi love..Kind regards..I wish you the best

817 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:28:29pm

'Nite, all.

818 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:28:34pm

re: #816 HoosierHoops

Hi love..Kind regards..I wish you the best

Hey Hoops! Are you in OK? How is Winston?

819 cliffster  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:29:02pm

Been fun, gotta go night-night. Peace and purpose to you kids.

820 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:30:38pm

Does anyone else find Tosh.0 to be painfully unfunny? Ugh.

821 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:31:35pm

re: #820 JasonA

Does anyone else find Tosh.0 to be painfully unfunny? Ugh.

I saw it once and liked it. But then again, I'm weird.

822 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:32:10pm

re: #820 JasonA

Does anyone else find Tosh.0 to be painfully unfunny? Ugh.

I just thought the name sounded bland.

823 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:34:40pm

re: #716 windsagio

ooops! That's what I get for not checking >>

And I"m sorry, I know she means well! (well not really, but I'll be nice :P)

Oh, don't bother. I think the woman is a twit.

824 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:35:03pm

re: #818 iceweasel

Hey Hoops! Are you in OK? How is Winston?

yes i'm in OK..Winston is at the babysitters..I get an email everyday from her about Winston...He is being spoiled...She sends me a picture everyday of him playing with her dogs...It is storming so bad here that the the TV is out...And I'm will to bet the internet is soon to follow...

825 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:35:51pm

re: #726 Walter L. Newton

I don't think I did...

No, you didn't. Just pointing out that al-Awlaki is literally on the hit list. If I cared what happened to him, I'd be more worried about his well-being than that of the creators of South Park (about whom I do care).

826 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:36:01pm

Alright pimps and pimpettes, I need to do a bit of surfing, make ham and cheese omelet and hit the sack. Nighty Honcos!!

827 tnguitarist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:36:38pm

re: #767 prairiefire

It is called "soda."

It's all coke in these parts. You better be specific.

828 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:37:09pm

re: #827 tnguitarist

It's all coke in these parts. You better be specific.

It pop.

829 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:38:00pm

re: #755 Killgore Trout

She's having some aggressive/anxiety issues.

My parents' dog was on Prozac for a while.

Can you tell we live in the Bay Area?

I myself am now on equal amounts of Prozac and Paxil, and start to taper off the Paxil tonight. Wish me luck. Last time the moron at Kaiser told me to just 'cut back to half dose for a week', and then stop cold turkey.

New shrink lady is smarter.

830 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:38:05pm

re: #814 iceweasel

Nah, maybe I'll post a pic later though. Watched the sun set from battery park, sailboats and the statue of liberty...sniff. Hard to leave. But can't wait!
How goes it DF? What's new? (i'll brb btw)

Not much is new. I wish I could understand what you're going through, but I don't. But I know you're going to be with the man you love and you'll be happy with him. And you can still visit NYC and in by your own account can return for good in a few years. That's the good points of it.

831 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:38:37pm

re: #761 Dark_Falcon

I'd think giving her a mouse would be a better idea. Let the cat tack out its aggression naturally. Fatal for the mouse, but the cat will enjoy it.

Have you considered taking up cat therapy? That actually sounds like a good idea.

832 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:39:04pm

re: #814 iceweasel

Hooray for the done part. Did you see the moon tonight?
Next full one you'll see, will be with your honey!

833 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:39:51pm

re: #831 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you considered taking up cat therapy? That actually sounds like a good idea.

But when the cat is done with the mouse, put the mouse parts in the freezer... we get two, three rounds out of mouse parts before we have to catch another one.

834 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:40:36pm

re: #771 Dark_Falcon

No, I just call it soda. And my affinity for Pepsi is to a great extent based on the fact that most of the soda I drink is diet, and Diet Pepsi kicks Diet Coke's ass. :P

Sherman Alexie says, in one of his short stories, that among Indians there are Coke tribes and Pepsi tribes.

I don't know if this is a regional, group, or genetic preference. If it's genetic, I deduce from the evidence of my husband that the Cherokee are definitely a Coke tribe.

835 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:41:14pm

re: #780 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a Muslim with big boobs try to kill me with a farm raised Salmon while drinking a coke which she called a Pepsi. Did I cover everything?
///

You need to work in a Mexican angle.

836 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:42:14pm

re: #784 Walter L. Newton

You mean your tired of Spencer, Geller, Wilder and Company.

They are certainly on the list.

837 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:43:17pm

re: #791 prairiefire

Anti Semite cases are still the highest number of hate crimes, year after year.

Yep. And life goes on, mostly.

838 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:44:36pm

Well, Syky is actually showing Gundam. Considering some the crap they show, anime is a great improvement, since it is actually worth watching.

839 jaunte  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:46:02pm

re: #834 SanFranciscoZionist

Sherman Alexie says, in one of his short stories, that among Indians there are Coke tribes and Pepsi tribes.

I don't know if this is a regional, group, or genetic preference. If it's genetic, I deduce from the evidence of my husband that the Cherokee are definitely a Coke tribe.

For some, it's because getting fresh water has become a problem:

It's clear-and-clean drinking water that can be hard to come by in rural homes. In about one out of five villages, fewer than 10 percent of homes have running water, according to the consortium.

"Many of the villages that have highest soda pop consumption -- probably the majority -- don't have running water. Or if they do have running water, it's not drinkable," said state Rep. Mary Nelson, D-Bethel. [AK]

Read more: [Link: www.adn.com...]

840 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:46:52pm

re: #833 Walter L. Newton

But when the cat is done with the mouse, put the mouse parts in the freezer... we get two, three rounds out of mouse parts before we have to catch another one.

Do you have to thaw it out, or will the cat play with a frozen dead mouse?

841 Racer X  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:54:49pm

re: #840 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you have to thaw it out, or will the cat play with a frozen dead mouse?

If I had a nickel for every time I've seen that posted on LGF...

842 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:55:12pm

re: #840 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you have to thaw it out, or will the cat play with a frozen dead mouse?

If it's hot enough, they love it.

843 boxhead  Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:16:25am

I know I am late for this thread, but we should all send Charles a wonderful email expressing our feelings for him and his work on LGF.

Can you say "Happy Email Bomb"?

// just kidding, don't take the keys, you'll spam the net!
//

But for real, good job Sir!

844 Laughing Gas  Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:31:02am

I'm probably not the first one to say this, but, unfortunately the "conservative" movement has been infected with craziness since its rise in the 50s-early 60s. Remember Joe McCarthy was one of the first rallying points of the early Right. The Republican Party was much better when it was based in the Northeast/Midwest. I don't want to sound prejudiced, but the Southern takeover of the GOP has been close to disastrous. This country could have had a sane center-right party like most Western European countries, but this has not taken place. In this country, there doesn't seem to be a sharp distinction between center-right and far-right.

845 hellosnackbar  Tue, Jul 27, 2010 8:14:04am

Having read this e-mail I must say that this chap iterates my view precisely.
I do not comment often on this site because most of the issues are pure American and I am unfamiliar with the personalities and issues.
However,having read transcripts of the "teabaggers" rallies and watching
that maniac Beck on Fox;I'm seriously gloomy about the short term political future of the GOP.
In the sixties I was a leftist until I saw W F Buckley on the BBC presenting a program called "Firing Line".
This man was the apotheosis of clear thinking and common sense.
Within 6 one hour programs I was convinced that my ideology was suspect
and his was bang on.
He had a gently mocking manner with respect to those whom he disagreed with, such that some people of importance were made(very politely)to be unmasked as doctrinaire fools.
The "tea party" movement seems to have embraced the vulgarity of
the "John Birch" society leading the GOP on the road to ruin.
I'm no fan of Obama;but in an AB choice(an Hobson's choice) I would choose him in preference to the the nutters that the teabagists laud.
Sarah Palin(I think "dim bulb" is an understatement) is currently the leader
in polls for the GOP candidate.(the imaginary God help us all!)
My proposal is that Charles Johnson should throw his hat in the ring!
Because compared to the pygmies that now infest the GOP it's a no brainer.

846 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 27, 2010 8:27:29am

re: #845 hellosnackbar

Hello, Hello

That's a nice post, but you've put it at the end of a thread that has gone stale. You can post it farther up on an active thread, so more than an occasional reader will see it. (Detect dead threads by checking the timestamp on the last couple postings. More than a couple minutes is very slow for us.)

847 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 27, 2010 9:06:34am

re: #844 Juice

Welcome. We're not ignoring you. See my 846 about stale threads.

848 hellosnackbar  Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:43pm

re#Decatur Deb,
Thanks a lot for your advice Deb.
I'll behave as you instructed.
Lots of fun,
HSB


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