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How Unhinged Rhetoric From GOP Senators Sank a Disabilities Rights Treaty

John Birch Society-style craziness is now right wing mainstream
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You may have heard that Senate Republicans voted today to defeat a United Nations treaty to protect the rights of disabled people, but you may not have realized how completely insane some of the Republican arguments against this treaty were: How Unhinged Rhetoric Sank a Disabilities Rights Treaty in the Senate.

The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities failed to capture the 2/3 vote needed for ratification in the U.S. Senate today due to fierce Republican opposition. Many Republicans and their allies in the conservative movement claimed that the treaty codifies abortion into law, even though that preposterous claim was rejected by the National Right to Life Committee and Sen. John McCain. Along with the false charges about abortion, opponents of the treaty claimed it will undermine U.S. sovereignty and harm children. Critics like Rick Santorum warned that the treaty may kill his disabled daughter; Glenn Beck said it could create a “fascistic” government and Sen. Jim Inhofe alleged the treaty would help groups with “anti-American biases.”

One of the lesser-known but extremely active opponents of the bill was homeschooling activist Michael Farris.

During an interview with Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, he claimed that the treaty will prompt the United Nations to ‘get control’ of children with glasses or ADHD and remove them from their families.

Read the whole thing. It’s a sad snapshot of today’s deranged Republican Party.

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405 comments

1 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:51:47pm

The Republican Exiles Association is aghast. Speechless. Pissed.

2 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:54:04pm

This was pretty much a time killer for the lame ducks. It would have been nice if they actually filled some open judicial positions, but that's too much to hope for.

I'm sure it will return once the new Congress is seated.

3 Stanghazi  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:55:13pm

IN FRONT OF BOB DOLE.

What a disgrace.

4 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:55:16pm

First you have your treaty to care for the disabled, next you get UN Storm troopers busting down your door to perform mandatory abortions and drag your kids to public schools.

Its a slippery slope.
///

5 SteveMcG  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:55:53pm

Way back when I registered to vote for the first time, it was the Democrats who were the hysterical ones. But even though they had Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, and I think Hollywood was loonier then than now, I don't think they were ever this crazy.

6 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:56:28pm

Next time these assholes get up in front of a veterans group I hope they get shunned.

7 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:56:33pm

This is utterly disgusting-especially since I think the treaty was based on the ADA in the first place.

8 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:56:47pm

re: #3 Stanghazi

IN FRONT OF BOB DOLE.

What a disgrace.

Nothing better illustrates what has happened to the GOP than that tableau.

9 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:57:49pm

re: #6 jaunte

Next time these assholes get up in front of a veterans group I hope they get shunned.

Or pelted with tomatoes.

10 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:58:26pm

re: #9 calochortus

(I'm trying to behave)

11 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:58:31pm

I've let my senator (Johnson, R-Fitzwalkerstan) know what I think. Not that he has two brain cells to rub together or cares about anything but what his bosses at the Koch Brothers have to say.

Christ on a crutch, this scumbag defeated Feingold?

12 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:59:30pm

hmm, no mention that the treaty recognizes the LGBT community? And women and children?

Have they learned that it is bad to say-out-loud that these things bother them so they come-up with outlandish excuses they think will be acceptable to the voters?

WTF? Even John McCain supported the treaty and told them they were full of shit.

13 SteveMcG  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:59:39pm

re: #11

Now your senator knows you must be a Democrat, and therefore he doesn't need your support.

14 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:00:07pm

re: #10 jaunte

(I'm trying to behave)

Sorry, I'll try not to incite you to misbehave.

15 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:02:02pm

re: #7 calochortus

This is utterly disgusting-especially since I think the treaty was based on the ADA in the first place.

Indeed it was...because of that, US law was and is compliant with this treaty and no further actions would be necessary, but the Birchers and scare merchants in the GOP prevailed, at least for now.

16 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:02:15pm

Rick Santorum blithered:

"Now that CRPD is defeated, we know that the United Nations won't have oversight of how we care for our special needs kids. This treaty would have given the U.N. oversight of the healthcare and education choices parents with special needs kids make. Had it passed, CRPD would have become the law of the land under the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would have trumped state laws, and could have been used as precedent by state and federal judges. But now it won't."

17 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:02:45pm

Both of my Senators, Lamar! Alexander and Bob Corker, voted nay on this; I'd expected it from Corker, but not from "moderate" Alexander, a man who been in the game long enough to know better. I guess with the deeper reddening of Tennessee over the past decade, Alexander (and Corker) feels that the islands of blue (Nashville, Memphis) in a sea of red (most of the rest of the state) don't really count any more.

Here I am...I publicly defended Lamar! here not even a week or two ago, saying that he was one of the few Republicans that I'd still vote for because I respected him and wouldn't want him to get primaried in 2014 by a TPer.

After this, fuck him...he's shown that he's willing to pander to the nuts and fearmongers in this state just as much as a TPer would.

18 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:03:08pm

re: #13 SteveMcG

re: #11

Now your senator knows you must be a Democrat, and therefore he doesn't need your support.

Oh I made sure he knows.

Same email I told him "I look forward to voting for anyone - democrat, republican or third party - to replace you with someone with two brain cells to rub together & the balls to be a real Christian rather than the fake kind that the teabaggers want."

19 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:03:38pm

re: #16 jaunte

Would that be how we take care of well-insured special needs kids, or the poor special needs kids?

20 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:04:40pm

re: #19 calochortus

Would that be how we take care of well-insured special needs kids, or the poor special needs kids?

That depends on how much the family loves Jesus, which is obvious by how much money they make.

21 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:05:02pm

re: #16 jaunte

Rick Santorum blithered:

Santorum, you hack...

22 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:05:57pm

re: #20 Kragar

That depends on how much the family loves Jesus, which is obvious by how much money they make.

Silly of me not to think of that, though it seems a tad Calvinist for the Southern Evangelical crowd.

23 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:06:26pm

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh I made sure he knows.

Same email I told him "I look forward to voting for anyone - democrat, republican or third party - to replace you with someone with two brain cells to rub together & the balls to be a real Christian rather than the fake kind that the teabaggers want."

Oh, I plan on sending Lamar! and Corker sternly worded letters about this.

It's not like they'll give a shit about anything that I have to tell them, but there it is.

24 SteveMcG  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:06:54pm

re: #18

You gotta make sure he knows you're registered Republican. I don't know if it matters in your state, but in PA the only way to vote against Pat Toomey (R)-PA in the primary, is to be registered. He may not have a challenger in the primary, but a lot of these wingnuts can thank the low turnout primaries for their tenure. We've got to take this thing viral, EVERYBODY has to crash teh Republican Party! It doesn't mean you have to vote for them in November, but we have to send these wingnut dixiecrats back where they came from...


...the Democratic Party.

25 SteveMcG  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:07:36pm

BTW, we might as well go back to calling them teabaggers.

26 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:07:55pm

re: #20 Kragar

That depends on how much the family loves Jesus, which is obvious by how much money they make.

What is truly nauseating is that Santorum probably believes that form of Calvinism, as filtered through Knox, despite being a pious Roman Catholic. He'd probably not have a clue that it's considered heresy...

27 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:08:47pm

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh I made sure he knows.

Same email I told him "I look forward to voting for anyone - democrat, republican or third party - to replace you with someone with two brain cells to rub together & the balls to be a real Christian rather than the fake kind that the teabaggers want."

Speaking of real Christians, I know it is a contradiction in terms, but I would like to see a mainstream Christian revisiting of the theme of "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" with prosperity gospel and "God's Own Party" heresies as the main targets.

28 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:10:31pm

re: #26 William Barnett-Lewis

What is truly nauseating is that Santorum probably believes that form of Calvinism, as filtered through Knox, despite being a pious Roman Catholic. He'd probably not have a clue that it's considered heresy...


"Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need."

- Thomas Aquinas

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:11:14pm

re: #24 SteveMcG

Open primaries here. I voted for Tommy Thompson in the Senate Primary this fall so that if he did win, he'd be the least dangerous of the Republicans. Thank God, Tammy Baldwin won instead. A hyper liberal Madison Lesbian :) who complains about Obamacare because she really wants single payer... That's gotta stick in Johnson's craw.

30 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:11:39pm

There was a thread on FR the other day about the British health care system (allegedly) letting babies die and how evil that was without a word about who would be paying the bills. I'm constantly amazed that people don't have a clue about how much it costs to keep people of all ages, who are going to die fairly soon and have a lousy quality of life in the meanwhile, alive.
I can understand why some folks want everything done, but then they have to figure out how it will be paid for.

31 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:11:45pm

John Kerry:

“Today the dysfunction hurt veterans and the disabled, and that’s unacceptable. This treaty was supported by every veterans group in America and Bob Dole made an inspiring and courageous personal journey back to the Senate to fight for it. It had bipartisan support, and it had the facts on its side, and yet for one ugly vote, none of that seemed to matter. We won’t give up on this and the Disabilities Treaty will pass because it’s the right thing to do, but today I understand better than ever before why Americans have such disdain for Congress and just how much must happen to fix the Senate so we can act on the real interests of our country.”
[Link: takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Every veterans group in America.

32 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:12:53pm

re: #24 SteveMcG

re: #18

You gotta make sure he knows you're registered Republican. I don't know if it matters in your state, but in PA the only way to vote against Pat Toomey (R)-PA in the primary, is to be registered. He may not have a challenger in the primary, but a lot of these wingnuts can thank the low turnout primaries for their tenure. We've got to take this thing viral, EVERYBODY has to crash teh Republican Party! It doesn't mean you have to vote for them in November, but we have to send these wingnut dixiecrats back where they came from...

...the Democratic Party.

RWNJs don't deserve a place in either party.

33 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:13:07pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

Speaking of real Christians, I know it is a contradiction in terms, but I would like to see a mainstream Christian revisiting of the theme of "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" with prosperity gospel and "God's Own Party" heresies as the main targets.

It might be interesting, but I'm not sure that Jonathan Edwards' brand of theology was precisely designed to bring rational thought into religious experience.

34 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:13:46pm

re: #28 Kragar


"Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need."

- Thomas Aquinas

Above all the grace and the gifts that Christ gives to his beloved is that of overcoming self.
-St. Francis of Assisi

35 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:15:19pm

Republicans are wack, with poo brain.

36 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:15:26pm

A comment from the Raw Story article on this made a very good point on why RWNJs were so dead set against this treaty:

Kesh Meshi • 5 hours ago

I think they do have a valid reason to oppose this.

Republicans believe in the primacy of the parental unit, and especially the father, in the family, which means that a judge can beat his disabled daughter on video and not lose his job. They support parents keeping their daughter in a permanent vegetative state against her wishes, and the Republican-controlled Congress will then pass specific legislation to keep her alive, in defiance of the courts and the rule of law.

This isn't even about protecting the precious baybees; it's about letting parents, especially fathers, do whatever they want to their children, regardless of societal standards, the law, or basic respect for human rights.

37 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:15:58pm
38 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:16:18pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

-St. Francis of Assisi

"Moral science is better occupied when treating of friendship than of justice."
- Thomas Aquinas

39 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:16:59pm

re: #37 jaunte

What did Gillibrand do?

40 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:17:24pm

Ordered two of these today, one for my mom and one for a good friend who throws BBQs in the summer. Bake it so!

[Link: shirt.woot.com...]

41 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:17:36pm

re: #39 ProGunLiberal

42 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:17:46pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

Speaking of real Christians, I know it is a contradiction in terms, but I would like to see a mainstream Christian revisiting of the theme of "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" with prosperity gospel and "God's Own Party" heresies as the main targets.

Oy, now that's an interesting idea for an essay. Maybe mix in some of Hooker's "Learned Discourse of Justification" as well... going to have to think on this a bit but it could be a fair bit of theological fun.

43 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:17:50pm

re: #33 calochortus

It might be interesting, but I'm not sure that Jonathan Edwards' brand of theology was precisely designed to bring rational thought into religious experience.

That would be the contradiction I had in mind --- mainstream Christianity is presently too civilized for another Jonathan Edwards.

Also, there's no need to bring rational thought into the enterprise. If people who are motivated by fear of God come to believe that the prosperity gospel is a heresy that risks eternal damnation, behavior might improve, and I'll take what I can get.

44 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:18:40pm

re: #41 jaunte

Ah, I see. I thought the guy was angry at her, not the situation.

45 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:22:57pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

That would be helpful, but IIRC the first Great Awakening, while it focused on the individual's relationship with God and our being complete and utter failures (which doesn't say much for the Almighty's quality control) also was extremely emotional in nature which can lead to a lot of trouble.

46 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:24:01pm

re: #33 calochortus

It might be interesting, but I'm not sure that Jonathan Edwards' brand of theology was precisely designed to bring rational thought into religious experience.

True enough, but to take it as a starting point does not mean accepting his ideas or even his concept of God. If, forex, I were to write such a theological essay it might use some of the imagery & possibly a variation on it's structure but I doubt my liberal to radical christian theology would be very similar to what he held.

47 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:26:26pm

re: #46 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, I see where you are going with that, then. Carry on!

48 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:27:43pm

Uh oh. They're speaking in tongue.

//

49 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:32:01pm

re: #48 Gus

Uh oh. They're speaking in tongue.

//

Oh, please. I'm a high church Episcopalian, not a Pentacostal. ////

Do you know how many Anglicans it takes to change a light bulb?

1 to climb the ladder and change it.
1 to mix the martinis
10 to stand around drinking the martinis and complain that the old bulb was ever so much nicer ... ;)

50 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:34:18pm

re: #31 jaunte

John Kerry:

Every veterans group in America.

Tell me again which party supports the troops.

51 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:38:47pm

re: #50 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Tell me again which party supports the troops.

The GOP, of course! It's all about individual responsibility. In an all volunteer army, people choose to join. This is noble, but it is their own choice and they are responsible for the consequences. If the GOP votes to pour money into the military to be spent on contractors and equipment, they've done their part.

// (sort of)

52 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:40:04pm

re: #31 jaunte

John Kerry:

Every veterans group in America.

re: #50 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Tell me again which party supports the troops.

RWNJs love to "support the troops" when they have a war to send them to. After that (or when soldiers come back from their umpteenth tour of duty in the sandbox, mentally and/or physically broken), they're ignored and left alone by those same RWNJs.

I've known more than a few soldiers, some when I went to college at Austin Peay (a hop, skip, and a jump from Fort Campbell), and I find this "we support the troops, except when we don't" attitude from RWNJs to be highly insulting; shit like this make me ashamed to have ever considered myself a Republican.

53 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:41:09pm

re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, please. I'm a high church Episcopalian, not a Pentacostal. ////

Do you know how many Anglicans it takes to change a light bulb?

1 to climb the ladder and change it.
1 to mix the martinis
10 to stand around drinking the martinis and complain that the old bulb was ever so much nicer ... ;)

As a kid I used to day dream staring at the nativity scene. We had old cast iron figures. The manger and the old aromatic miniature straw. The little baby Jesus would come out on Christmas. It also had the Three Wise Men who would come out on a certain date. My mom worked for the nun and my dad was in a Catholic seminary. Mostly they played soccer.

54 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:42:14pm

Anti-UN rhetoric is so popular, even Google is getting into the act.

Agenda 21 noise pollution makes it easy for Google to obfuscate.

55 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:45:18pm

re: #52 TedStriker

Jesus.

56 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:50:44pm

re: #55 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Jesus.

Ground control to Major Tom...

57 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:51:14pm

re: #56 Gus

Ground control to Major Tom...

Beam me up! Scottie.

58 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:52:13pm
59 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:53:09pm

Jesus, helpless in the face of the subtle power of the UN, was saved today by a brave group of GOP stalwarts. Emphasis on the warts.

60 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:55:27pm

Someone tell Elizabeth Dole that this atheist was rooting for ya.

61 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:55:51pm

I can't deal with this right now. I"m going to zone out with and audio book and photoshop.

bbl

62 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:56:13pm
63 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 7:57:34pm

re: #62 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Get out of bed you lazy paraplegic.
-- Republican Party

64 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:00:14pm

Nazis used to do experiments on the disabled. They also had an extermination policy with most disabled in search of the "master race." Today, the GOP essentially voted to turn a blind eye on an international law to prevent that. The USA can now say, there is no treaty. What can we do.

65 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:01:09pm

Don't forget that states like Texas frequently executes the disabled criminals. About the only state that does. It's a very conservative state.

66 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:02:57pm

Aieee! Here comes the UN!

67 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:03:15pm

re: #55 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Jesus.

My reply:

68 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:03:47pm

But we're like that. We do water boarding. Secret prisons. School to prison pipelines. Abu Ghraib prison camps. GITMO. Funding death squads. CIA assassinations. Kill lists. Shock and awe. Collateral damage.

69 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:05:07pm

It does not matter if any of these horrible things they said the treaty would do are true or not.

What matters is that they convince their audience that Democrats are/were supporting this treaty with all these horrible things in it. Just more us versus them style demonization of the evil godless baby killing socialistic Democrats, the treaty just happened to become a pawn in their game. :(

70 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:05:41pm
71 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:06:17pm

re: #65 Gus

Don't forget that states like Texas frequently executes the disabled criminals. About the only state that does. It's a very conservative state.

For those values of "conservative" that equal "Comité de salut public" ...

72 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:06:31pm
73 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:07:37pm

re: #67 TedStriker

Ah, I remember, I read that in one of Paul's letters somewhere.

74 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:09:19pm

"Licketh thine ass". Yeah, it's right there in Ephesians.

75 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:10:10pm

re: #67 TedStriker

re: #73 dragonath

You were expecting a polite and reasoned reply?

76 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:11:30pm

re: #72 Gus

One wonders how people, even young people, with so little analytical ability ("What could possibly go wrong with this plan?") got into college in the first place.

77 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:12:02pm

I wish I was a right winger. It's so much easier. You can be a complete blithering idiot and people will still respect you.

78 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:13:13pm

re: #77 Gus

I wish I was a right winger. It's so much easier. You can be a complete blithering idiot and people other idiots will still respect you.

Fixed

79 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:13:14pm

Amazing.

80 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:13:46pm

Can you feel the love?

81 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:14:35pm

re: #74 dragonath

"Licketh thine ass". Yeah, it's right there in Ephesians.

Turn the other cheek

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:15:19pm

re: #79 jaunte

Amazing.

Seems like that dude needs to get laid.

83 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:16:00pm

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Ha. He's a Breitbart 'columnist.'

84 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:18:00pm

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Seems like that dude needs wants to get laid by @gretchininTN.

FTFY

85 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:18:19pm

re: #83 jaunte

Ha. He's a Breitbart 'columnist.'

The dude is cruising a teenager. That's obvious.

Another one...

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:18:58pm

re: #84 watching you tiny alien kittens are

FTFY

Well, yes, I thought that was implied.

87 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:19:30pm

re: #79 jaunte

Amazing.

Unattractive conservative women can just go swing, of course.

88 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:19:52pm
89 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:20:02pm

re: #85 Gus

Gay Muslim in an arranged marriage w/ a hater of America connected to Chicago thugs.

I'm a little disappointed he didn't work in a Benghazi.

90 AntonSirius  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:20:20pm

re: #67 TedStriker

I'm foolishly trying to have a conversation with Gretchin, bless her heart. It's not going well.

91 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:21:09pm

re: #89 jaunte

I'm a little disappointed he didn't work in a Benghazi.

He forgot to capitalize God. He must be a heathen.

92 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:21:11pm

re: #85 Gus

AHEART

93 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:21:38pm

re: #72 Gus

Yet another reason for me to despise Penn State.

I will never let a child of mine, if I have one, go there.

94 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:21:53pm

War on Christmas taps out, brings in War on Gorgeous Conservative Women.

95 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:21:58pm

re: #85 Gus

Wow, what an impressive witness to her faith. < rolls eyes > It also strikes me as odd that her photo on Twitter features her with someone else each holding what appears to be a beer. I realize that isn't specifically prohibited by most Christian denominations, but a "party girl" image strikes me as a bit odd for a young conservative Christian woman to be presenting to the world.

96 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:22:27pm

re: #91 Gus

He forgot to capitalize God. He must be a heathen.

No reference to Crom. Heathen.

97 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:24:04pm
98 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:24:54pm

re: #97 Kragar

Godwined in the first eight words.

99 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:25:20pm

re: #97 Kragar

And what's wrong with that?

100 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:27:35pm

re: #99 calochortus

And what's wrong with that?

I'm not seeing a problem.

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:28:03pm

re: #97 Kragar

Let us pray:

Lord god of love & justice, please let these hate filled imbeciles slaughter each other in you holy name so that those of us who actually try, even if we rarely succeed, to live by your Son's example might have a small chance to make a better world for our children.

Amen.

102 freetoken  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:28:15pm

I just wish President Obama would use his bully pulpit to expound on how far to the reactionary right the GOP has gone.

103 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:28:59pm

re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, please. I'm a high church Episcopalian, not a Pentacostal. ////

Do you know how many Anglicans it takes to change a light bulb?

1 to climb the ladder and change it.
1 to mix the martinis
10 to stand around drinking the martinis and complain that the old bulb was ever so much nicer ... ;)

One of my favorite little jokes is the one about the crafty divinity school professor who gives students the following choice for a final project:

1) A 50 page report on church fathers.

2) Describe an orignal Christian heresy.

104 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:29:06pm

Gretchin favorited my Tweet. re: #101 William Barnett-Lewis

Let us pray:

Lord god of love & justice, please let these hate filled imbeciles slaughter each other in you holy name so that those of us who actually try, even if we rarely succeed, to live by your Son's example might have a small chance to make a better world for our children.

Amen.

105 freetoken  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:31:37pm

re: #72 Gus

Oh dear.

There's a money-making porn movie or two in there.

106 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:31:50pm

Because in la la land, having your budget and agriculture committee assignments rescinded by the party boss is exactly like being stabbed to death.

107 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:32:13pm
108 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:32:17pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

He'd be reading a whole lot of 50 page reports, eh?

109 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:32:46pm

Boehner, besides being an alien shade of orange, is pooched. The Prez delivered the coup de grace today in an interview on Bloomberg:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

110 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:33:44pm

Fixed finally.

111 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:34:09pm

re: #85 Gus

The dude is cruising a teenager. That's obvious.

Another one...

[Embedded content]

You notice that no one else has their hand over their heart in that picture, just kinda Obama? The Military are all saluting but the civilians are all just standing there? I wonder what is really happening in that photo obviously not the freaking Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem, maybe just a flag raising?

112 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:34:12pm

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

He'd be reading a whole lot of 50 page reports, eh?

If the students know what is good for them....

113 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:35:52pm

re: #111 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You notice that no one else has their hand over their heart in that picture, just kinda Obama? The Military are all saluting but the civilians are all just standing there? I wonder what is really happening in that photo obviously not the freaking Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem, maybe just a flag raising?

I see nothing. Dude needs help.

114 Bubblehead II  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:37:34pm

Night Lizards. As always. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

115 calochortus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:37:48pm

re: #111 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You notice that no one else has their hand over their heart in that picture, just kinda Obama? The Military are all saluting but the civilians are all just standing there? I wonder what is really happening in that photo obviously not the freaking Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem, maybe just a flag raising?

I wondered about that myself.

116 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:39:05pm

Even Republican motivators are lame. Misspelled words and a tortured syntax describing a non-existent event in size 14 Times New Roman capitals.

117 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:44:02pm

This is cool.

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:44:21pm

re: #111 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You notice that no one else has their hand over their heart in that picture, just kinda Obama? The Military are all saluting but the civilians are all just standing there? I wonder what is really happening in that photo obviously not the freaking Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem, maybe just a flag raising?

I read that shortly after the inauguration, Obama sought out one of the military officers at the white house to learn how to properly salute. Most times, for a civilian, the hand over the heart is the correct salute, but as commander in chief, he also needs to be able to render the correct hand salute in other contexts. He understood that he needed to know how and when and went out of his way to learn.

And yes, for a civilian observing a flag being raised or lowered, you take off any head wear, and place your hand over your heart. Too many no longer know these little bits of honor.

119 freetoken  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:50:54pm

In concord with the currently running AGU annual meeting, NASA announces its next 10 years of Mars research:

120 Gus  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:53:30pm

If you ever fall down into tracks just lie down low and center your body from head to feet aligned with the railroad tracks. Consider this a PSA.

121 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:53:53pm

re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

I read that shortly after the inauguration, Obama sought out one of the military officers at the white house to learn how to properly salute. Most times, for a civilian, the hand over the heart is the correct salute, but as commander in chief, he also needs to be able to render the correct hand salute in other contexts. He understood that he needed to know how and when and went out of his way to learn.

And yes, for a civilian observing a flag being raised or lowered, you take off any head wear, and place your hand over your heart. Too many no longer know these little bits of honor.

OMG! Obama asked questions about a factual matter. Think of the children!!! They will go straight to hell if they follow this Satanic example and allow facts to compromise the purity of a fact-free worldview.

/wingnut imitation

122 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 8:54:16pm

re: #3 Stanghazi

IN FRONT OF BOB DOLE.

What a disgrace.

There's a viagra joke in there somewhere...

123 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:05:20pm

Just for the lulz...

124 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:09:43pm

Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed

A true party of business would end our investment in the false promise of supply-side economics.

However, a party with a goal of reducing the scale of programs such as Social Security and Medicare along with delivering tax cuts to wealthy political backers would use arguments about the economic effects of tax cuts to disguise its true intentions.

Which description fits best? Many Republicans still claim that tax cuts for the wealthy enhance economic growth despite the evidence to the contrary, but it’s rare to hear a Republican admit that these supply-side policies have failed.

125 celticdragon  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:12:06pm

re: #85 Gus

The dude is cruising a teenager. That's obvious.

Another one...

[Embedded content]

This chick is a borderline full blown nut.

126 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:12:43pm

re: #123 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I added a response, too.

127 Lidane  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:15:19pm

re: #21 TedStriker

Santorum, you hack...

Santorum is also the presumptive front-runner for 2016 since he came in second to Mittens. Wheee!

128 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:16:24pm

re: #73 dragonath

[Embedded content]

Ah, I remember, I read that in one of Paul's letters somewhere.

129 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:16:48pm

re: #126 jaunte

I added a response, too.

I see that...but I can't make it show up in details...another one, I'll stop now before I get banninated for trolling.

130 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:17:45pm

God hates the color orange.

131 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:18:10pm

re: #97 Kragar

[Embedded content]

132 EPR-radar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:18:13pm

re: #124 jaunte

Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed

By now, I think there is enough evidence to answer as follows: Because the present incarnation of the GOP is interested only in enriching the wealthy at everyone else's expense.

The aftermath of Sandy provided an instructive example --- the claim by some free marketeers that temporary price controls and/or rationing for gas were improper, and that the "free market" would sort it out better.

Just being filthy rich is not enough, apparently. No, we have to go all the way into a laissez-faire dystopia before these free market loons will be satisfied. After all, it is an intolerable burden on the rich if they are not permitted to price-gouge and corner the market to line their own pockets.

133 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:20:37pm

re: #124 jaunte

Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed

I seem to recall the last time a Bush said the truth in public... now what was that? Oh yeah...

"VOODOO ECONOMICS"!!!

134 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:21:48pm

Remember how Romney used the term "trickle-down government" at the debates?

That was pretty rich.

135 jaunte  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:27:56pm

Super Typhoon Bopha

This still image of Super Typhoon Bopha was taken by Expedition 34 Commander Kevin Ford on Sunday, Dec. 2 from the International Space Station, as the storm bore down on the Philippines with winds of 135 miles per hour.

Parts of the orbital outpost are seen in the picture -- the Permanent Multipurpose Module on the left, and Mini-Research Module 1 on the right.

136 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:28:42pm

re: #127 Lidane

Santorum is also the presumptive front-runner for 2016 since he came in second to Mittens. Wheee!

Yeah, but what's he going to do for the next four years? Unless he finds another way to stay relevant in politics he's way past his shelf life at this point. Writing insane bullshit for WND is going to create a lot of ammunition to use against him in the debates.

My guess is that the 2016 nom is probably going to a more recently serving Senator or Governor, someone like Rob Portman.

137 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:30:47pm

re: #117 Gus

This is cool.

[Embedded content]

Finally watched; much better than I expected. Thank you.

138 freetoken  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:34:25pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, but what's he going to do for the next four years?

He'll need to keep giving speeches to catch up to these guys:

Rubio, Ryan look to the future during award dinner speeches

[...]

In his speech, Rubio delivered a sharp rebuttal of Obama’s proposed tax increase, arguing that upping the rates on the wealthy would adversely affect the middle class.

“For me, it’s about the fact that the tax increases he wants would fail to make even a small dent in the debt, but it would hurt middle class businesses and the people who work for them,” Rubio said.

139 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:35:02pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, but what's he going to do for the next four years? Unless he finds another way to stay relevant in politics he's way past his shelf life at this point. Writing insane bullshit for WND is going to create a lot of ammunition to use against him in the debates.

My guess is that the 2016 nom is probably going to a more recently serving Senator or Governor, someone like Rob Portman.

Meh. That's the way they do it. Santorum came in second in 2012. Therefore he will be the nominee in 2016 no matter how the party has to break it's own rules to ensure this. That's been the process since 1976 and by god they aren't going to change now...

140 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:37:14pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

After four more years of GOP insanity creep Santorum may be proudly running on all the "insane bullshit" he wrote for WND. They keep saying they want to run a true Conservative, by the current definition used by most of the party he would still fit the bill handily.

The possibility (fact) that he would be massacred in the general election is simply not possible to their way of thinking.

141 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:39:33pm

re: #139 William Barnett-Lewis

That's been the process since 1976 and by god they aren't going to change now...

If that were true then Pat Buchanan would have been the nominee in both 1996 and 2000 instead of Dole and Bush.

142 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:41:01pm

re: #138 freetoken

But Rubio and Jindal can't run, their parents were not citizens when they were born so they are not natural born citizens of the United States! /

I actually read that earlier at WND, some birthers were arguing with another poster about Obama so when he brought up Rubio and Jindal the birthers threw them under the bus without a second thought, lol. :D

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:44:12pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

If that were true then Pat Buchanan would have been the nominee in both 1996 and 2000 instead of Dole and Bush.

Hmm. Point taken though I really wonder if that wasn't just something more to do with paleo-Pat than anything else. Even the GOP would know he was even less electable than Herr Duke?

144 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:48:45pm

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

Hmm. Point taken though I really wonder if that wasn't just something more to do with paleo-Pat than anything else. Even the GOP would know he was even less electable than Herr Duke?

Mainly it was because establishment Republicans were pissed at Buchanan for challenging Bush Sr. in 1992. If he hadn't done that then the rule would have held for Dole. Bush Jr. totally breaks the model though, came out of nowhere.

145 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:48:57pm

Democratic primaries are actually pretty dynamic:

Carter/Brown
Carter/Kennedy
Mondale/Hart
Dukakis/Jackson
Clinton/Brown
Clinton
Gore/Bradley
Kerry/Edwards
Obama/Clinton
Obama

Hmm...

Ford/Reagan
Reagan/Bush
Reagan
Bush/Dole
Bush/Buchanan
Dole/Buchanan
Bush/McCain
Bush
McCain/Romney
Romney/Santorum

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:52:41pm

The night is catching up with me.

Good night all.

147 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:52:58pm

re: #145 dragonath

You forgot Bush/Buchanan 1992.

148 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:54:30pm

Sparrows use cigarette butts to deter pests, scientists find

Cigarette butts are widely reviled as an urban nuisance but birds in Mexico City see them as a boon, apparently using them to deter parasites from their nests, scientists say.

Local sparrows and finches incorporate smoked cigarette butts in their nests to provide cosy cellulose lining for their chicks and nicotine to ward off mites, they believe.

A team led by Constantino Macias Garcia at the National Autonomous University monitored 57 nests and found that the tally of bugs declined as the number of smoked butts in each nest increased.

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:54:57pm

re: #145 dragonath

Democratic primaries are actually pretty dynamic:

Carter/Brown
Carter/Kennedy
Mondale/Hart
Dukakis/Jackson
Clinton/Brown
Clinton
Gore/Bradley
Kerry/Edwards
Obama/Clinton
Obama

Hmm...

Ford/Reagan
Reagan/Bush
Reagan
Bush/Dole
Dole/Buchanan
Bush/McCain
Bush
McCain/Romney
Romney/Santorum

Well it fits the old line- Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. I think 2016 will be the first time in a while the Republicans don't go next in line though. I just can't see Santorum being the nominee because I don't see him being that popular with the big money fundraisers that are usually behind Republican nominees but then again, I never expected him to give Mitt the run he did so I could easily be wrong.

150 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:55:15pm
151 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:57:14pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, that's an awful lot of Bush on the Republican side.

I seem to remember Buchanan people putting up the kind of crazy apocalyptic homemade signs that are pretty much commonplace now.

152 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:58:16pm

Jon Stewart summarizes GOP budget plan: Jump off the fiscal cliff voluntarily

“This has 1.2 trillion in cuts, but they’re saying, ‘Why don’t we just make the whole thing cuts to entitlements and domestic spending and not cut defense at all?” Stewart said. “Basically, they’re trying to entice the Democrats by saying, ‘I don’t want you to fall off this cliff, so why don’t you voluntarily jump off this steeper cliff? But don’t worry, your fall will be cushioned by lava.”

Stewart mocked Democrats for saying the GOP budget plan wasn’t “balanced” instead of laughing in Republicans’ faces and comparing the budget to “Stalin fucking a Bald Eagle.”

153 Lidane  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:06:54pm

re: #142 watching you tiny alien kittens are

But Rubio and Jindal can't run, their parents were not citizens when they were born so they are not natural born citizens of the United States! /

I actually read that earlier at WND, some birthers were arguing with another poster about Obama so when he brought up Rubio and Jindal the birthers threw them under the bus without a second thought, lol. :D

Rubio's Latino and Jindal is Indian. No way would the GOP nominate either of them for POTUS. Too many reactionary bigots in the party would turn out to vote against them.

154 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:10:24pm

re: #153 Lidane

Rubio's Latino and Jindal is Indian. No way would the GOP nominate either of them for POTUS. Too many reactionary bigots in the party would turn out to vote against them.

Santorum and Huckabee will be in the Thunderdome

155 stabby  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:13:18pm

I see the destruction of the Republican party from within as an example of Murphy's law.

Republican legislatures gerrymandered themselves super-right wing districts totally free from balance, nearly free from any possibility of competition from Democrats.

Then Murphy's law kicked in. As soon as a seat is gerrymandered to be safe from Democrats, it is no longer safe in the primary. Now these artificially right wing districts are held hostage by the sizable right wing nutcase crowd, the Birchers, the drooling paranoid idiot racist rabble.

156 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:13:31pm

re: #154 Kragar

Santorum and Huckabee will be in the Thunderdome

Master/Blaster 2016: Who Run Bartertown?

157 dragonath  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:17:51pm

re: #156 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea

One of the cool things about the Master character is that the actor played one of the midgets in the 1932 film Freaks.

158 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:28:53pm

re: #157 dragonath

The 1932 film Freaks is something I haven't seen or heard referred to in a LONG time. Enjoyed/learned from it.

160 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 10:54:38pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

World Net Daily wonders: “Will Obama build a Death Star?”
...
..
.

If he does, will you run it?

/

161 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:00:49pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

World Net Daily wonders: “Will Obama build a Death Star?”
...
..
.

No, next stupid question

162 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:03:15pm

re: #97 Kragar

[Embedded content]

And this would be a bad thing, exactly how?

163 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:03:27pm

re: #161 Kragar

No, next stupid question

[Link: www.google.com...]

164 TedStriker  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:06:11pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

[Link: www.google.com...]

Lookie, lookie at the first result...Whirled Nut Drooly.

*facepalm*

165 Kragar  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:09:36pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

[Link: www.google.com...]

166 engineer cat  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:17:09pm

re: #157 dragonath

One of the cool things about the Master character is that the actor played one of the midgets in the 1932 film Freaks.

aha - pre code classics is one of my hobbies

167 freetoken  Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:50:16pm
168 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:19:02am

That article over at WND that talked about how the GOP could steal the election by stopping a quorum in the electoral college? The one that was completely wrong and WND even printed a retraction at the top of the article on Nov. 20th saying that it was wrong? The one anyone who took two minutes to actually read the twelfth amendment would know was wrong?

There are still people arguing in the comments about whether it is wrong or not two weeks later! Even with the retraction by WND right there at the top of the article! WTF? These are not people new to the conversation either, a couple of them have been in this almost since the first post. How can someone be that stupid and still be able to operate a computer to type a comment there? :(

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

169 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:23:21am

re: #168 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I left a reply for the worst offender...the one who got me back over there in the first place by replying to my two week old post and it showing up on Disqus...

This horse is dead, worse than that, it is only a dessicated pile of bones that used to be a horse. So why do you keep on beating it?

I have to assume it is only for the lulz at this point because the entire rest of the world has moved on more than a week ago. Yet here you are still fighting to be the one who gets the last word in, it doesn't even matter to you anymore whether or not you are wrong or right does it?

Even if you were right (which you aren't) it would not matter because your ideas have no popular support and will therefore never happen even if they were legally valid (which they aren't). Well I'm going to get back to my life now, I hope someday you are able to leave this thread behind and do the same.

Best wishes, really. :)

That will probably keep him going for another 20 posts or so, but I don't intend on going back to find out regardless of my Disqus prompts. ;)

170 researchok  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:25:05am

Morning, all

171 researchok  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:31:28am

re: #167 freetoken

Nice!

I must admit I wouldn't know to what genre that belongs, though.

172 freetoken  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:33:20am
173 researchok  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:34:28am

re: #168 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Stupid, like sex, sells

Think WND as political porn for the hard right.

174 researchok  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 12:37:16am

re: #172 freetoken

LOL-that's great!

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 1:14:19am

re: #76 calochortus

One wonders how people, even young people, with so little analytical ability ("What could possibly go wrong with this plan?") got into college in the first place.

There's a bizarre group think in that age group when they do gatherings. A desire to be "edgy" and borderline irresponsible due to being "free" of their parents combined with a lack of experience, empathy, and unwillingness to think through potential consequences. Though it's normally the fraternities acting this stupid and getting the publicity.

176 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 1:38:50am

re: #173 researchok

Stupid, like sex, sells

Think WND as political porn for the hard right.

Good page you put up on the supposed kiddie sex ring in Israel.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It is nothing but the McMartin preschool child sex ring hysteria all over again, exactly blow by blow. The same story of kids imaginations and parental fears getting blown up into a nightmare of accusations elicited from the children by untrained questioners followed by baseless arrests. The only difference is that in Israel they have less kids involved and more adults arrested than McMartin had. :(

177 researchok  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 1:40:58am

re: #176 watching you tiny alien kittens are

We're on the same page.

I responded to your comment.

178 freetoken  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 2:37:21am

And now for some video for your holiday enjoyment:

179 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 4:26:12am

Maroon.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:17:26am

Morning Honcos.

181 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:21:48am

Buncha fucking assholes.
EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: North Side family says prized puppy was unjustly shot by cop
While FOX 32's Larry Yellen was interviewing the dog's owners, two police officers drove by the home. 90 minutes later, they came back, asked why Phillips why he had contacted the media and gave him a ticket for not keeping Colonel on a leash.

"They were giving us a ticket, three days after the fact," says Phillips. "So I think they're probably trying to cover their rear ends."

Read more: [Link: www.myfoxchicago.com...]

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:26:12am

Lie of the Year time!!!
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

183 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:37:31am
184 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:38:41am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow, they're still trying to do the false equivalency thing and picking equal numbers of 'lies' from 'both sides'.

I really don't get what the problem in thinking is that causes Magical Balance Fairy worship.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:44:46am

re: #184 Obdicut

Wow, they're still trying to do the false equivalency thing and picking equal numbers of 'lies' from 'both sides'.

I really don't get what the problem in thinking is that causes Magical Balance Fairy worship.

It was on the front page of the Times web site, so I figured I'd post it.

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:51:24am

Future Darwin Award nominee.
[Link: screen.yahoo.com...]

187 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:53:36am

re: #155 stabby

I see the destruction of the Republican party from within as an example of Murphy's law.

Republican legislatures gerrymandered themselves super-right wing districts totally free from balance, nearly free from any possibility of competition from Democrats.

Then Murphy's law kicked in. As soon as a seat is gerrymandered to be safe from Democrats, it is no longer safe in the primary. Now these artificially right wing districts are held hostage by the sizable right wing nutcase crowd, the Birchers, the drooling paranoid idiot racist rabble.

ok, minor pet peeve. This isn't Murphy, it's Unintended Consequences.

There's a range of "oops" laws, and calling them all Murphy is, for me, like saying all physical laws are Ohm's law.

But as I said it's minor peeve.

188 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:54:23am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was on the front page of the Times web site, so I figured I'd post it.

Okay... you realize I wasn't complaining about you posting it, right?

189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:54:45am

re: #188 Obdicut

Okay... you realize I wasn't complaining about you posting it, right?

No, I know.

190 Stephen T.  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:55:50am

re: #52 TedStriker

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that made me kind of sick. It said:

I support our troops in combat.
But I'll be damned if I'll support them at home.

This did not look like a hand drawn sticker, someone went to the trouble to print this.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:57:39am

re: #190 Stephen T.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that made me kind of sick. It said:

This did not look like a hand drawn sticker, someone went to the trouble to print this.

I saw one once that had a Rebel Flag over the White House and it said "I have a Dream".

192 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 5:59:52am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where many on LI, SI, and the Jersey shore are struggling to recover from #Sandy, even when they have flood and regular home insurance because of the amount of damage and time it takes to process claims. The MTA has restored still more service, but the service that is lacking is likely to be out for a good time to come. That includes the South Ferry station and the A train to the Rockaways. They expect the Montague St. tunnel (servicing the R) will be back up and running in the next few weeks. Amazing how much they've done in such a short time, but it highlights the importance of proper infrastructure and mass transit in keeping a city of this size in good repair.

193 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:01:01am

re: #190 Stephen T.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that made me kind of sick. It said:

This did not look like a hand drawn sticker, someone went to the trouble to print this.

What the fuck does that even mean?

194 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:01:55am

This just in: NY Post exhibits complete lack of ethics.

That poor man's family has to live with that image.

195 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:02:31am

re: #190 Stephen T.

WTF? Are we going back to the days of the Roman Empire -- throw the returning gladiators into the ring for some evening's entertainment? IIRC, Roman soldiers spent so much time away from their farms and estates that the farms and estates went belly up, so they basically had no livelihoods.

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:02:35am

re: #193 Obdicut

What the fuck does that even mean?

Me thinks food stamps, welfare if they are out of work, etc. Obama phone.

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:05:38am

My radio just said 57% (I think that was the number. My friend was talking) of people approve legalizing pot. I agree, as opposed to decriminalization.

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:06:19am

re: #194 makeitstop

Classless.

199 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:07:06am

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

Which state? Or is it nationwide.

200 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:07:46am

And this is proof that most people who are online have the reading comprehension of an amoeba. As many Facebook users know, the company is changing some of its governance rules, and has its users submitting votes.

The company clearly states that the user is the one who controls their copyright (as they always have).

Ownership of your content. A number of the comments suggested that we were changing ownership of your content on Facebook. We’re not. This is not true and has never been the case. Anyone who uses Facebook owns and controls the content and information they post, as stated in our SRR. They control how that content and information is shared. That is our policy, and it always has been. We’re not proposing to change this key aspect of how Facebook works.

So, instead of understanding this, hundreds of commenters are cut-pasting the idiotic nonsense that was debunked by Snopes and Facebook itself:

In response to the new Facebook guidelines, I hereby declare that my copyright is attached to all of my personal details, status updates, messages, photos, and all other photo content that I post online on my personal profile page or anyone else's page. For commercial use of the above, my written consent is required at all times.

Or, they clip the longer version of this, complete with the nonexistent Berner Convention reference. (FYI, it's the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, as amended, but there's also US Copyright law protections pursuant to Title 17 of the USC).

If people can't understanding what they're reading here, why would it be any different with health care policy, the disabilities treaty, or anything else Congress is considering? And you've got people willing to take advantage of that ignorance, lack of comprehension, or just plain stupidity.

201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:10:16am

re: #199 ProGunLiberal

Which state? Or is it nationwide.

Nationwide.

202 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:10:25am

re: #194 makeitstop

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

Classless.

ggeeezzzzz

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:10:32am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nationwide.

More men than women.

204 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:14:17am

re: #194 makeitstop

This just in: NY Post exhibits complete lack of ethics.

That poor man's family has to live with that image.

It was bad enough that the family had to suffer through the senseless murder of their loved one, but the Post posted a sensationalist photo that not only affects the family, but the engineer of that train who was unable to stop in time before running over that man.

The Post was wrong to run with that photo. I get that it's newsworthy - it was the outcome of a criminal act, but that doesn't mean that you post every photo or video.

It's something photographers struggle with all the time, especially those who are considering photojournalism. For me, I covered the Sandy coverage/destruction but tried to avoid picking personal reactions or focus on the damage to any one individual. These were my neighbors and people in my town. They were dealing with tremendous damage and having someone acting as a gawker wouldn't benefit them, even though highlighting the scope of the disaster could bring more attention and relief efforts. It's a balancing act, but in a situation like the subway pushing, I'd err on the side of not running with that kind of image - and would actually try to help instead of taking photos of the man's last moments alive.

205 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:15:32am

re: #204 lawhawk

It's something photographers struggle with all the time, especially those who are considering photojournalism

It's the editors decision to run the photo, not the photographers

Aside from that, your post is spot on

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:19:43am

If pot was legalized they have to change the drug free workplace stuff. My question is: Can they tell if you smoked before work (drinking they can give a breathalyzer). I mean other than the obvious?

207 Mattand  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:20:03am

re: #184 Obdicut

Wow, they're still trying to do the false equivalency thing and picking equal numbers of 'lies' from 'both sides'.

I really don't get what the problem in thinking is that causes Magical Balance Fairy worship.

I think at this point, Politifact knows that they can make serious coin by pushing the Magical Balance Fairy narrative.

With American politics, it's very easy to go "They're all equally bad." Partly because it's not hard to find dirtbags from both sides of the aisle, but mostly because it appeals to that American instinct for fairness.

As others have pointed out, however, it's the mother of all false equivalencies. As I've said before, it's a way to avoid reality. KT's bullshit "Maddow = Beck" pronouncement is a prime example of that.

Ditto watching conservatives and Republicans suddenly become "independent", yet these brave non-partisan heroes continue to vote GOP and cast Obama as incompetent as Mayor Quimby on The Simpsons.

Unfortunately, we maybe stuck with Politifact for years. Much as Fox News has discovered pushing a conservative narrative is a massive moneymaker, The Tampa Bay Times is riding the "neutrality" train all the way to the bank.

208 Stephen T.  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:20:21am

re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar

Future Darwin Award nominee.
[Link: screen.yahoo.com...]

Nope, not eligible for the Darwin awards.

To be eligible for the Darwin awards you have to do something stupid enough to get you killed, die from your action, and have never spawned a child.

The whole point of the Darwin awards is to (posthumously) award those who have successfully removed themselves from the gene pool for the good of the species.

209 Mattand  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:22:22am

re: #205 sattv4u2


It's something photographers struggle with all the time, especially those who are considering photojournalism

It's the editors decision to run the photo, not the photographers

Aside from that, your post is spot on

Well, there's some question as to how much of an effort the photographer made to help the guy. Plus, he could have not submitted it to the paper at all.

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:22:41am

re: #208 Stephen T.

Nope, not eligible for the Darwin awards.

To be eligible for the Darwin awards you have to do something stupid enough to get you killed, die from your action, and have never spawned a child.

The whole point of the Darwin awards is to (posthumously) award those who have successfully removed themselves from the gene pool for the good of the species.

My point is, SHE IS STOOPID!!! And eventually she will do something stoopid enough to kill herself.:)

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:23:21am

re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar

My point is, SHE IS STOOPID!!! And eventually she will do something stoopid enough to kill herself.:)

That is also why I said "future".

212 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:23:41am

re: #205 sattv4u2

If you're self-posting (photobloggers/photojournalists), it's a decision the photographer makes. I was covering both situations.

If you're the photographer who took that picture, you have to make the decision to send the photo up to the editor, who ultimately makes that decision.

The editors at the Post were wrong for publishing the photo.

213 Stephen T.  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:24:11am

re: #193 Obdicut

What the fuck does that even mean?

My guess is that somewhere someone doesn't like soldiers coming home and living off the government. Or it could be an anti-Obama sticker based on the false belief that he has plans on bringing soldiers home to fight civilians. Either way it is an ugly sentiment.

214 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:24:34am

re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar

If pot was legalized they have to change the drug free workplace stuff. My question is: Can they tell if you smoked before work (drinking they can give a breathalyzer). I mean other than the obvious?

Not opposed at all to legalizing (or at the very least, decriminilzing) pot just so long as it's treated just like alcohol

No drinking/ smoking while driving. DUI and OUI laws/ penalties similar. No sales to minors

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:27:12am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Not opposed at all to legalizing (or at the very least, decriminilzing) pot just so long as it's treated just like alcohol

No drinking/ smoking while driving. DUI and OUI laws/ penalties similar. No sales to minors

And I'll be honest, this is where I would love to raise some taxes for the gubmint. I already get taxed like hell for smoking cigs and drinking. The debt would be gone in 2 months if pot were legal and I would become a pizza delivery guy!!!
/only sarc on the second half of that

216 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:28:51am

re: #209 Mattand

Well, there's some question as to how much of an effort the photographer made to help the guy. Plus, he could have not submitted it to the paper at all.

1st, not sure if it was a professional photographer or just someone waiting for the train with an I-Phone
2nd, iirc, if it was a pro and he works for the paper they 'own" any images he takes
3rd, whoever submitted it, it still comes down to an editorial decision
4th, from the distance of the train (and it's approach speed) I doubt anyone, unless they were right in front of the poor guy, could have done anything for him

217 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:29:44am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

this is where I would love to raise some taxes for the gubmint.

Win/ Win

218 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:30:02am

re: #208 Stephen T.

You'd think, but Darwin awards have been given to people who already reproduced.

219 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:30:10am

Mornin' gang...is it unemployed in here or is it just me?

Yeah, I got caught in the "how can we make our numbers look better in Q4 so we can get more VC funding?" trap. I'm actually kind of relieved. I wasn't super-thrilled with that start up (though I'll miss the buck-sixty they were paying me). And, as I told my wife last night, now I can go up to Lake Tahoe and get a few extra ski patrol days in during December, so I won't be in a panic in March/April trying to make my commitment.

What to do next? Who knows? I think for the first time in my life I'm going to wait a few weeks and not just grab another job immediately...there's no sense in looking before January anyway. The missus thinks I should look at applying my skills in a political organization. That could be fun.

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:32:31am

re: #217 sattv4u2

this is where I would love to raise some taxes for the gubmint.

Win/ Win

Exactly. But some money might be taken away from local gubmints with less people on probation. The last time I was in jail a guy did his first appearance for possession of paraphernalia. His bail was $120. Fucking bullshit but they need the money.

221 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:34:11am

re: #219 darthstar

Good attitude!

Any chance your 'old" company needs you back, or did you/they burn that bridge??

222 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:34:19am

re: #219 darthstar

Ah that sucks, man, it sounded like you were excited to recruit new people to the gig. I know a couple of places with nifty stuff going on-- you're a programming/project manager, right?

223 Mattand  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:34:37am

re: #216 sattv4u2

1st, not sure if it was a professional photographer or just someone waiting for the train with an I-Phone
2nd, iirc, if it was a pro and he works for the paper they 'own" any images he takes
3rd, whoever submitted it, it still comes down to an editorial decision
4th, from the distance of the train (and it's approach speed) I doubt anyone, unless they were right in front of the poor guy, could have done anything for him

1) They're describing him as a freelancer. Granted, it's a broad description, but his employment status is immaterial to the ethics questions involved.

2) This is true. He could have also deleted the photo without anyone knowing.

3) Not questioning that.

4) As I said, there's some question. IIRC, the photog was quoted as saying he was trying to use the flash to somehow alert the engineer that something was up. That comes off as a weak excuse for snapping photos of a man about to be run over by a subway train.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:34:48am

re: #219 darthstar

Mornin' gang...is it unemployed in here or is it just me?

Yeah, I got caught in the "how can we make our numbers look better in Q4 so we can get more VC funding?" trap. I'm actually kind of relieved. I wasn't super-thrilled with that start up (though I'll miss the buck-sixty they were paying me). And, as I told my wife last night, now I can go up to Lake Tahoe and get a few extra ski patrol days in during December, so I won't be in a panic in March/April trying to make my commitment.

What to do next? Who knows? I think for the first time in my life I'm going to wait a few weeks and not just grab another job immediately...there's no sense in looking before January anyway. The missus thinks I should look at applying my skills in a political organization. That could be fun.

You're gonna go to work for Obama when he changes the constitution and tries to get a third term!!!

225 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:35:36am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

Exactly. But some money might be taken away from local gubmints with less people on probation. The last time I was in jail a guy did his first appearance for possession of paraphernalia. His bail was $120. Fucking bullshit but they need the money.

True, but how many are NOT caught as opposed to each of those $120's

Meaning, I'm sure the "legal" tax income would more than offset the fines/ court costs. ect

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:35:57am

Hey Darth. Let's open a hot dog stand. We'll wear thongs. We'll be rich!!!
/

227 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:37:02am

re: #223 Mattand

#4 agree (weak excuse). But as I stated, from that distance, the distance (closeness) of the train, I doubt the photographer could have even gotten to the man prior to the train

228 Mattand  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:37:04am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey Darth. Let's open a hot dog stand. We'll wear thongs. We'll be rich!!!
/

That's one way to promote wieners.

229 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:37:55am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey Darth. Let's open a hot dog stand. We'll wear thongs. We'll be rich!!!
/

BRAIN BLEACH!!!

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:38:22am

re: #225 sattv4u2

True, but how many are NOT caught as opposed to each of those $120's

Meaning, I'm sure the "legal" tax income would more than offset the fines/ court costs. ect

True. But court, probation and fines do add up.

231 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:38:42am

re: #221 sattv4u2

Good attitude!

Any chance your 'old" company needs you back, or did you/they burn that bridge??

They burned it...I really wasn't super happy there...it was a good stepping stone to help me escape Meg's clutches at HP, but their price point is so low and ROI for their customers is minimal I don't think they're long for this world...my guess is they want to get bought by a bigger company.

232 Mattand  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:39:32am

re: #227 sattv4u2

#4 agree (weak excuse). But as I stated, from that distance, the distance (closeness) of the train, I doubt the photographer could have even gotten to the man prior to the train

Maybe. Distances in photos vs real life can be deceiving. There's also the issue of the newspaper that printed the photos; calling them "sensationalist" is an understatement.

EDIT: The photog may have had it drilled into his head to take pictures first, no matter what the situation is.

233 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:44:13am

re: #216 sattv4u2

This recaps the views of some photographers in the field, as well as photojournalism experts. Many put the fault on the editors, but some of the photographers said that they'd put saving lives ahead of taking photos if that was possible to do in a safe manner.

234 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:44:16am

re: #222 Obdicut

Ah that sucks, man, it sounded like you were excited to recruit new people to the gig. I know a couple of places with nifty stuff going on-- you're a programming/project manager, right?

People manager - QA is my specialty, but I'll look into other areas of management. I like people so I'm good at keeping them motivated and productive. I was excited about the opportunity to rape HP of its talent when I left, but it became obvious within a few weeks of starting that they sold me a story that wasn't all there. My boss hired me to help establish process and rein in a very cowboy-developer group...which I did, in part by setting boundaries with other groups in the company who needed dev/qa people to help them, got the PMs to alter their release schedule so there were two cycles and not one big one, etc...but during that time they froze hiring, and two weeks ago started making cuts. I figured I would be part of that because he'd stopped discussing shit with me.

235 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:45:26am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey Darth. Let's open a hot dog stand. We'll wear thongs. We'll be rich!!!
/

Hot dog stand and medical marijuana dispensary...Toke n Choke.

236 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:45:30am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

237 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:48:24am

Trains cannot stop on a dime, no matter how hard the engineer slams on the brakes. Even if the subway was slowing down for the station, that poor soul was a goner. His only chance was either to lay flat down between the rails or have quick-witted (and strong) by-stander(s) pull him up, if he managed to get close enough to the platform.

I feel bad for everyone involved, except the Post. They should have run the story without the photo.

238 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:57:43am

re: #234 darthstar

Okay. I know a strong person at a pretty cool non-profit who's often looking for high-level peeps. I'll see what she's up to.

239 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 6:58:42am

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

I've let my senator (Johnson, R-Fitzwalkerstan) know what I think. Not that he has two brain cells to rub together or cares about anything but what his bosses at the Koch Brothers have to say.

Christ on a crutch, this scumbag defeated Feingold?

Illinois's Republican Mark Kirk is still out recovering from a stroke early in the year, but I have no doubt he'll support the treaty.

As for me, I'm not fond of UN treaties, but I don't see this one as problematic, given that it isn't self-enforcing and doesn't violate American principals or values. Rick Santorum would disagree with my assessment, but he signed on with Weird Nut Daily, so fuck him.

240 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:02:04am

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Illinois's Republican Mark Kirk is still out recovering from a stroke early in the year, but I have no doubt he'll support the treaty.

Why are you sure of that?

As for me, I'm not fond of UN treaties, but I don't see this one as problematic, given that it isn't self-enforcing and doesn't violate American principals or values. Rick Santorum would disagree with my assessment, but he signed on with Weird Nut Daily, so fuck him.

Not just Rick Santorum, but the GOP at large, Dark. Only 8 GOP senators voted for it. So why focus on Santorum, rather than the GOP in general? Too uncomfortable to really admit what this means about the GOP?

241 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:03:49am

re: #238 Obdicut

Okay. I know a strong person at a pretty cool non-profit who's often looking for high-level peeps. I'll see what she's up to.

Awesome...

242 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:04:34am

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi

Trains cannot stop on a dime, no matter how hard the engineer slams on the brakes. Even if the subway was slowing down for the station, that poor soul was a goner. His only chance was either to lay flat down between the rails or have quick-witted (and strong) by-stander(s) pull him up, if he managed to get close enough to the platform.

I feel bad for everyone involved, except the Post. They should have run the story without the photo.

I just wish the Wall Street Journal hadn't put their story about the famed "Benghazi Talking Points" behind their subscription wall. I read in the print edition yesterday and it was very good. It made clear that the issues with the talking points were about the CIA's desire to keep the Al Qaeda aligned militia from know we were on to them and to protect sources. The whole process was cumbersome and bureaucratic, not swift and political.

So sorry, conspiracy theorists: You are wrong, again.

243 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:05:24am

re: #241 darthstar

Awesome...

Hang in there Darth, you'll bounce back quick.

244 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:07:33am

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Hang in there Darth, you'll bounce back quick.

Thanks...for the first time, I'm not at all worried about it. I will be in a month or two if I don't find something, but I've actually got a few people already trying to recruit me that I've been pushing off, so I just need to see what they're offering and decide if it looks good.

245 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:07:48am

The GOP gave a nonsensical and bogus reason for voting down the treaty. GOPers made claims that are just flat out lies about the effects of the treaty on US citizens.

They ignored decades of jurisprudence showing that US law supersedes those of treaties, and that US statutes can override treaty obligations. The Constitution trumps treaties, so if there is a provision that indicates fewer rights or reduces protections, it can't override constitutional protections.

And the lame duck answer was just lame. Fact is that the current know-nothing GOP Congressional delegation is hell bent on doing nothing that could potentially inure a benefit to President Obama. They've put politics ahead of common sense, logic, facts, or the law.

They blew off former GOP Presidential nominee Robert Dole, his wife Elizabeth, and others who have fought for the treaty. In doing so, they highlighted just how they view everyone other than the privileged few (mirroring their larger problem).

246 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:09:23am

re: #240 Obdicut

Why are you sure of that?

Short answer: Because his stroke has left him disabled, so someone trying to make an issue about this in a primary would just end up looking like an asshole. That being the case, Kirk would better off politically in this state having voted for the treaty. So I don't need to know his heart, as I know the politics.

Not just Rick Santorum, but the GOP at large, Dark. Only 8 GOP senators voted for it. So why focus on Santorum, rather than the GOP in general? Too uncomfortable to really admit what this means about the GOP?

No, I'm just flinging mud at someone who I thought was better than whom he has just shown himself to be.

247 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:09:54am

re: #245 lawhawk

Bob Dole sitting depressed and crippled in his wheelchair, watching the current band of phony 'conservatives' lie and foment and disgrace the US, is one of the more poignant images of this time.

I really can't believe they did it. They find new ways to surprise me with their inhumanity and greed for power every day.

Image: n_lw_4rewrite_121204.video_620x362.jpg

248 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:11:04am

re: #219 darthstar

Mornin' gang...is it unemployed in here or is it just me?

Yeah, I got caught in the "how can we make our numbers look better in Q4 so we can get more VC funding?" trap. I'm actually kind of relieved. I wasn't super-thrilled with that start up (though I'll miss the buck-sixty they were paying me). And, as I told my wife last night, now I can go up to Lake Tahoe and get a few extra ski patrol days in during December, so I won't be in a panic in March/April trying to make my commitment.

What to do next? Who knows? I think for the first time in my life I'm going to wait a few weeks and not just grab another job immediately...there's no sense in looking before January anyway. The missus thinks I should look at applying my skills in a political organization. That could be fun.

As a very-long-term unemployed / sorta-self employed (at a certain point they blend together), unsolicited advice is not necessarily trustworthy but I'm giving it anyway. Don't "not look" entirely.

I'd say at all, but you've got great timing because of holidays and end-of-year. But still I recommend taking two short weeks (three days) during December to do the prep work. Clean - and have reviewed - your base resume and the various special clauses for various types of employers. Do a skills review. Pick up a couple of "tough interview question" guides and prep the answers. Figure out which if any social contact sites (facebook, linkedin, etc) you're going to use for job fishing and get those cleaned up for the search.

Not least here is that it's better to be prepared and get nothing in December than it is to have somebody make an opening offer while you're unprepared.

249 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:13:15am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Short answer: Because his stroke has left him disabled, so someone trying to make an issue about this in a primary would just end up looking like an asshole. That being the case, Kirk would better off politically in this state having voted for the treaty. So I don't need to know his heart, as I know the politics.

Oh, I thought the answer might be that he's a decent human being or something and so would do the ethically right thing.

No, I'm just flinging mud at someone who I thought was better than whom he has just shown himself to be

Santorum's an easy target to fling at. But tell me, why do you direct that kind of ire at Santorum for joining WND, yet you didn't castigate Romney for promoting birther-in-chief Trump? Why are you still trying to pump Bobby Jindal, when his views on religion and the state are just as whackaloon as Santorum's?

This failure of the GOP has got to be some kind of wakeup call to you, hasn't it? They just lied their asses off to block a treat that was created by Republicans and lobbied for by Republicans. If you're 'loyal' to the GOP, how about being loyal to the more-sane GOP of yesteryear, rather than the current bunch of phonies?

250 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:17:35am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw one once that had a Rebel Flag over the White House and it said "I have a Dream".

I saw one of those once, with those words, that had a black man hanging from a noose over the White House. I covered it over with a "We are Traverse City" rainbow bumper sticker, and hope the moran didn't notice it for a while.

251 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:18:24am

re: #248 kirkspencer

That's my plan. Today I go to the gym and relax. Tomorrow I'll reply to a couple of people who have been reaching out to me to let them know I just got their mail and will sync up with them in January. I'll probably update my resume on Friday while my current work is still fresh.

Next week, I'll go ski a few days, but bring my computer so I can start seeing what's out there. The longest I've ever gone between jobs is three weeks. I've been pretty lucky in that I have a couple of highly sought skills in the valley I can fall back on...and after 15 years I've got a decent network of references in good spots.

252 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:19:50am

Onward Christian Soldiers...

253 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:21:02am

re: #247 Obdicut

Bob Dole sitting depressed and crippled in his wheelchair, watching the current band of phony 'conservatives' lie and foment and disgrace the US, is one of the more poignant images of this time.

I really can't believe they did it. They find new ways to surprise me with their inhumanity and greed for power every day.

Image: n_lw_4rewrite_121204.video_620x362.jpg

Plus the fact that this was the Senate where one might expect some more prudent Republicans. However, that is no longer the case. Also add that this was a UN treaty which to these Republicans represent scary foreigners with thick foreign accents.

254 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:26:07am

re: #249 Obdicut

Oh, I thought the answer might be that he's a decent human being or something and so would do the ethically right thing.

I do think Mark Kirk's a decent human being, but I couldn't be sure you'd agree, and you might well have been prepared to challenge any assertion. So I took a position I was sure I could defend analytically. You're tough to debate, Obdi, so I was being careful.

255 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:27:32am

There was no excuse for every R voting no on that treaty.
None.
Zip.
Nada.
Pathetic.

256 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:30:16am

Well, just got done watching the GOP's latest press conference and it seems they've decided that going over the cliff is a viable option, or at least they think doing so will put the public on their side.

257 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:30:33am

re: #252 darthstar

Onward Christian Soldiers...

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258 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:31:27am
259 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:31:35am
...

Arrington then allegedly ran up to his stepfather with balled fists. Markiece Palmer — who is 6 feet, 1 inch tall and weighs 150 pounds — then grabbed the boy by his arms and shook him hard. Dina Palmer said she also struck Arrington with a belt and a paddle two to three times, the report said.

During the altercation, Arrington reportedly ran down the stairs and fell, hitting his forehead on a table, Markiece Palmer told police. The stepfather then told Arrington to take a bath, after which he put cocoa butter on the open wounds on the boy's buttocks, the report said.

Arrington, who told his father he felt like throwing up, then went to bed. He never woke up, the report said.

Markiece Palmer found the breathing, but unresponsive, boy in his bed between 6 and 6:45 a.m. on Thursday, the report said. Dina Palmer called their pastor, who told them to call an ambulance.

The mother called 911 at about 8 a.m., a little more than an hour after the stepfather found the boy unresponsive in bed, the report said.

When asked about the bruises and scars on her boy's body, Dina Palmer admitted to police the marks were from "whoopins" from both her and Markiece Palmer, the report said.

Police recovered a broken broom stick with what appears to be blood, belts, cords, spatulas and bloodied clothes from a warrant search of the Palmer residence, the report said.

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

260 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:31:50am

re: #256 Targetpractice

Must be the same folks who said that the polling was favorable to Romney who are still advising the GOP on this course of action.

261 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:32:26am

Freepers gang up on Bob Dole in comments on NYT op-ed:

From Republicans, a Parting Slap at Bob Dole and Disabled Americans

FU Bob....go home....

Bob Dole....bleech. I appreciate his service in WWII....everything else not so much

All that the ADA did was to generate a virtual cornucopia of new law suits for the legal parasites (lawyers) and a new source of revenue from frivolous “disabled” claimants looking for new ways to sue everyone in sight.

Every day causes me to flash back to those John Birch Society predictions of the 50s & 60s on where things like the UN were taking us and remember how some people said the JBS members were crazy paranoid lunatics. From my perspective, they're not looking like they were very far off the mark.

Bob Dole...the UN-loving Free Trader Communist Globalist...and to think people once claimed he was “Conservative”

Knowing the UN....it was some declaration to euthanize the disabled.

"Preacher" offers a lonely voice of reason:

Treaties do NOT over-ride the Constitution
Reid v. Covert

The GOP base has lost its compass and now they've thrown the captain overboard as well.

262 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:34:50am

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers gang up on Bob Dole in comments on NYT op-ed:

From Republicans, a Parting Slap at Bob Dole and Disabled Americans

"Preacher" offers a lonely voice of reason:

The GOP base has lost its compass and now they've thrown the captain overboard as well.

...

In 1942, Dole joined the United States Army's Enlisted Reserve Corps to fight in World War II. Dole became a second lieutenant in the Army's 10th Mountain Division. In April 1945, while engaged in combat near Castel d'Aiano in the Apennine mountains southwest of Bologna, Italy, Dole was hit by German machine gun fire in his upper right back and his right arm was also badly injured. As Lee Sandlin describes, when fellow soldiers saw the extent of his injuries all they thought they could do was to "give him the largest dose of morphine they dared and write an 'M' for 'morphine' on his forehead in his own blood, so that nobody else who found him would give him a second, fatal dose."[10] The hospital where Dole recovered from his wounds, the former Battle Creek Sanitarium, is now named Hart-Dole-Inouye Federal Center in honor of three patients who became United States Senators: Dole, Philip Hart and Daniel Inouye.

Dole was decorated three times, receiving two Purple Hearts for his injuries, and the Bronze Star with combat "V" for valor for his attempt to assist a downed radio man.

263 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:35:35am

re: #260 lawhawk

Must be the same folks who said that the polling was favorable to Romney who are still advising the GOP on this course of action.

Very likely, since polls the past two weeks have shown 60% think Republicans are the ones in the way of a deal being made and 53% will blame them if we go over the cliff. But they seem to think that beating the same dead horse, that Obama has to "make the first move," is a winning strategy for them.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:37:01am

I don't see the word "douchebag" anywhere.
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]

265 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:37:18am

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers gang up on Bob Dole in comments on NYT op-ed:

From Republicans, a Parting Slap at Bob Dole and Disabled Americans

"Preacher" offers a lonely voice of reason:

The GOP base has lost its compass and now they've thrown the captain overboard as well.

Are these people even human?

266 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:39:22am

I've got a job interview to go to. BBL

267 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:41:03am

Bob Dole is an apostate? Seriously?

Bob Dole

268 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:42:43am
FU Bob....go home....

Ah, a faithful Christianist weighs in. /

269 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:44:24am

The Tea Party's tent keeps shrinking. Yes, they need to get more conservative to take back their country.

270 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:45:12am

re: #267 Henchman Ghazi-808

Bob Dole is an apostate? Seriously?

Bob Dole

I read once that Reagan got a paper cut while serving in WWII. /

271 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:45:39am
272 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46:27am

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers gang up on Bob Dole in comments on NYT op-ed:

From Republicans, a Parting Slap at Bob Dole and Disabled Americans

"Preacher" offers a lonely voice of reason:

The GOP base has lost its compass and now they've thrown the captain overboard as well.

Bob Dole say freeps can go fuck themselves because Bob Dole don't put up with sass.
-Bob Dole.

273 darthstar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:49:41am
274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:51:36am

re: #273 darthstar

Image: 91727.jpg

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

275 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:10:17am

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

Even the Mayans have made public statements about how bullcrap the 2012 apocalypse thing is.

276 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:10:45am
277 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:12:21am

re: #276 Gus

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Whut.

278 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:13:14am

re: #277 Varek Raith

Whut.

He competes with Bryan Fischer in the gay obsession and general derangement department.

279 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:13:16am

re: #277 Varek Raith

Whut.

You haven't heard about Federal Buttsex grants?

280 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:14:11am

re: #279 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea

You haven't heard about Federal Buttsex grants?

Whut.
:P

281 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:14:56am
282 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:15:59am

re: #281 Gus

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Yeah, you do that chief.

283 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:17:49am

re: #281 Gus

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Because of course every Christian is beholden by Jesus himself to vote Republican.

284 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:19:33am

re: #283 dragonfire1981

Because of course every Christian is beholden by Jesus himself to vote Republican.

It's in the Book of Partisans.

285 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:22:05am

Fox News really pulled a good one this time.

Here's the headline:

Republicans Resist Reality in the Age of Obama

And here are the first few paragraphs of the piece:

Republicans can learn a lot about dealing with Barack Obama in the current fiscal negotiations from how Obama conducted his re-election campaign.

Obama ran an audaciously negative campaign with the intention of winning a base-versus-base election with superior resources and organization. And he did exactly that. Obama worked to shrink the electorate by driving squeamish moderates and independents out of the pool and then won the partisan grudge match among those who remained.

Republican nominee Mitt Romney’s campaign in the spring and most of the summer was a riff on Bob Dole’s 1996 lament: “Where is the outrage?”
Romney demanded that the press and public hold Obama accountable for running a small, grinding and negative campaign based mostly on character assassination. Where’s the Hope and Change? Where’s the vision?

What he found was that the public has such low expectations for politics and politicians that Obama was able to surmount the barely-there bar for public discourse. And as for the press, while Romney’s frustrations would occasionally elicit some high-minded regret from the media establishment, it was quickly excused as necessary, given the aforementioned rottenness of political life.

Sometimes, Obama’s tactics and personal disdain for Romney were even recounted admiringly as evidence of a fierce competitive spirit within the president – a jock’s sensibility rather than the professorial attitude most Americans are familiar with.

Romney eventually quit complaining and started working to undo the damage Obama had done to the former Massachusetts governor’s reputation. He also took a tougher tone in prosecuting Obama’s record. Rather than saying the president was a nice guy who was in over his head, Romney started saying that Obama was reckless and wrong on the economy and spending.
But it was too late. Those persuadable voters who didn’t stay home concluded that while Romney might have a better economic plan, they didn’t trust him to look after their best interests. Republicans are scouring their souls and attempting a game of demographic connect-the-dots, but one lesson they have largely overlooked is that voters do not trust big government or big business.

Republicans are now stunned – “flabbergasted” said the House speaker -- that Obama is bringing a similarly audacious approach to his efforts to secure tax rate increases on top earners and other liberal fiscal wish-list items.

Republicans assumed since they came back to town, hats in hand, ready to do a deal on taxes, Obama would give them grace enough and political cover enough to get the deal done. That’s old Washington thinking. That’s Romney thinking. That’s thinking unsuited to the Age of Obama.

Also of note: This does not appear in the opinion section but in the politics section.

286 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:22:15am
287 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:23:29am
288 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:24:40am

re: #241 darthstar

Awesome...

How close are you to Santa Clara?

289 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:28:09am

Also. Obama has a gun control policy? Really?

290 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:30:30am

re: #289 Gus

Also. Obama has a gun control policy? Really?

Only for the rape and murder industries.//

291 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:32:23am

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

Only for the rape and murder industries.//

292 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:32:32am

So sad.

293 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:36:07am

re: #292 Vicious Babushka

So sad.

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Tomorrow was his birthday.

294 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:42:44am

re: #292 Vicious Babushka

Now that's sad to hear. RIP.

295 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:42:53am

re: #292 Vicious Babushka

296 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:44:06am

re: #293 Gus

Tomorrow was his birthday.

I remember watching some TV show some years back that had some medical expert on there saying that, for whatever reason, people tend to die around their birthday.

There are several examples in my family: A great grandmother died only a couple of weeks after her birthday in 2003 and last year my grandfather passed only three weeks before his birthday. My grandmother in 1998 also died a few weeks after her birthday.

297 dragonath  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:45:09am

re: #262 Gus

Speaking of which, one of the comments I saw on this story today:

our gvt doesnt GIVE human rights.

we TAKE them from our creator libtard.

to go along with the UN or any other body- undermines that fact and sets precedence for future UN control on other things. they disguise these things as a human right.
where in our constitution does it say we take UN rights as human?? we take our marching orders from our own constitution. the UN should be banned from US shores and DEFUNDED. PERIOD

Yep.

From the "smart" Republicans over at the National Review

U.S. 1, U.N. 0

Earlier today, the Senate rejected a U.N. treaty on the rights of the disabled. Supporters trotted out Bob Dole, as though sympathy for a wounded war hero should logically translate into support for a U.N. power grab. The measure was defended with the usual lies about its having no possible effect on our sovereignty.

Stupid from top to bottom.

298 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:48:35am
299 dragonath  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:50:30am

re: #298 Gus

Ooh, cool cover.

300 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:53:25am

re: #299 dragonath

Ooh, cool cover.

Agreed, though I think it makes him look a little like Jeff Goldblum.

301 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:53:27am

RIP Dave Brubeck:

302 dragonath  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:54:06am

Now I feel the urge to kick back with a shot of bourbon as I listen to my records on a Rek-O-Kut platter.

303 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:55:20am

re: #298 Gus

Brubeck also deserves praise for tirelessly working to include black musicians in his bands. He would cancel shows, TV appearances, etc. if black performers were not allowed to play or were treated shabbily.

304 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:55:52am
305 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:07:12am

Hey moron...guess what...that's what it did! What, do you think that money should go to Walmart you fucking putz?

306 Jolo5309  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:10:17am

Not related to any of this, but I just did a survey for an online marketing tool, and several of the questions required an answer besides none (although there was the option to say None). What really got my goat was this partial question:

makes my organizatoni look more professional

If you want to look professional, learn to spell.

307 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:11:34am

re: #306 Jolo5309

Not related to any of this, but I just did a survey for an online marketing tool, and several of the questions required an answer besides none (although there was the option to say None). What really got my goat was this partial question:

If you want to look professional, learn to spell.

That's a kind of pasta, isn't it?

308 Jolo5309  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:13:11am

Sweetbreads pasta I think

309 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:14:48am

re: #306 Jolo5309

Not related to any of this, but I just did a survey for an online marketing tool, and several of the questions required an answer besides none (although there was the option to say None). What really got my goat was this partial question:

If you want to look professional, learn to spell.

I cringe when I see typo laden emails come down from corporate at work. You'd think the "Ivory tower" folks would be capable spellers considering how much money they make.

310 GunstarGreen  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:15:13am

re: #30 calochortus

There was a thread on FR the other day about the British health care system (allegedly) letting babies die and how evil that was without a word about who would be paying the bills. I'm constantly amazed that people don't have a clue about how much it costs to keep people of all ages, who are going to die fairly soon and have a lousy quality of life in the meanwhile, alive.
I can understand why some folks want everything done, but then they have to figure out how it will be paid for.

Humans are afraid of death. It's as simple as that. Most people have an extremely hard time coming to terms with the idea that every life ends at some point. We piss away vast sums of money every year so that people at the end of their lives can have a few more miserable months full of pain and suffering, rather than just accept the fact that their time is done.

I can only take solace in the fact that things like Do Not Resuscitate allow people that choose to accept reality to make it easier for everyone involved.

311 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:15:57am

re: #309 dragonfire1981

I cringe when I see typo laden emails come down from corporate at work. You'd think the "Ivory tower" folks should be capable spellers considering how much money they make.

Why should they bother learning to spell when there are "little people" to run the spell check software?

312 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:17:43am

Another OT: Does anyone else here sell on Amazon?

I like the fact the site gives the items a lot of exposure and the ordering/payment/return structure makes me feel better about doing business there than say, Craigslist.

But the downward pressure on pricing is ridiculous. Products end up going for very cheap because sellers keep lowering prices and lowering prices to draw attention to themselves.

Products that are $20 brand new can be $3.99 used because of all the resellers driving down prices (and this in categories other than books where the 0.01 products reign supreme).

I'm not going to knock it that much because I've made a decent bit of money doing this, but it could have been even more if not for the ridiculous competition.

313 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:22:23am

re: #308 Jolo5309

Sweetbreads pasta I think

Mmmm sweetbreads.

The most delicious thing I think I've ever tasted was a warm salad of lobster & sweetbreads served at the restaurant of a 4-star hotel in Varetz, France. When I came home raving about it I learned that my father-in-law had had essentially the same thing in a restaurant in NYC years ago, and also considered it one of the best things he'd ever tasted.

314 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:24:03am

re: #313 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Mmmm sweetbreads.

The most delicious thing I think I've ever tasted was a warm salad of lobster & sweetbreads served at the restaurant of a 4-star hotel in Varetz, France. When I came home raving about it I learned that my father-in-law had had essentially the same thing in a restaurant in NYC years ago, and also considered it one of the best things he'd ever tasted.

How is thymus gland prepared that makes people think it is so delicious? Coated in chocolate doughnut dough and deep fried?

315 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:26:01am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

How is thymus gland prepared that makes people think it is so delicious? Coated in chocolate doughnut dough and deep fried?

I think I've already answered this. You cook it up in a warm salad with lobster meat. I can't speak to the ingredients for the sauce.

ETA: I suspect my taste buds would strongly object to sweetbreads in chocolate doughnut dough.

316 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:28:44am

re: #310 GunstarGreen

Humans are afraid of death. It's as simple as that. Most people have an extremely hard time coming to terms with the idea that every life ends at some point. We piss away vast sums of money every year so that people at the end of their lives can have a few more miserable months full of pain and suffering, rather than just accept the fact that their time is done.

I can only take solace in the fact that things like Do Not Resuscitate allow people that choose to accept reality to make it easier for everyone involved.

Most people who say "do everything" are also not familiar with just what "everything" means. People who have seen resuscitations tend to be a lot more willing to forego them for themselves.

[Link: www.zocalopublicsquare.org...]

317 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:31:31am

Sununu: Obama Won Because He Turned Out Voters ‘Dependent’ On Government

Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu (R), the irascible TV face of Mitt Romney’s campaign, told a Granite State audience Tuesday that President Obama won reelection thanks to a base that’s “dependent, to a great extent economically, on government policy and government programs.”

That puts Sununu squarely in the “gifts” caucus, the group of Republicans who — like Romney himself — believe Obama’s coalition is formed by people who want handouts rather than the self-sufficient, individualistic base that they envision as the GOP base. In the wake of the Republican losses across the country last month, the party has split over the “gifts” idea, with some former Romney surrogates and officials dismissing the notion and others, like Sununu, embracing it.

318 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:31:45am

Dicks.

319 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:33:44am

re: #317 Kragar

Sununu: Obama Won Because He Turned Out Voters ‘Dependent’ On Government

I'm still waiting for my Obamaphone. The sucker'd better pay up or I won't vote for him next time.

320 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:34:44am

re: #317 Kragar

Sununu: Obama Won Because He Turned Out Voters ‘Dependent’ On Government

They keep on saying stupid shit like this, I'm gonna keep on pointing out that Romney won the poorest states in the union and the ones that rely the most on federal aid. Nice try Sununu. Of course, this is the same prick who told Obama he needs to start acting like an American because he criticized poor widdle Mitt's record at Bain.

321 GunstarGreen  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:36:25am

re: #317 Kragar

Sununu: Obama Won Because He Turned Out Voters ‘Dependent’ On Government

It really is a comedy of errors at this point.

Hey, assholes: I, and almost literally everyone I know (except for my parents, really) are solidly middle-class, do not draw any form of government 'handout' (we freely acknowledge government's role in providing much of the vital infrastructure that enables our modern lives), and vote Democrat. Each time you tell us that we're a bunch of freeloading moochers that are "economically dependent on government", you fuck yourselves out of a block of potential voters.

322 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:38:47am

Sad news in the world of music today:

Dave Brubeck, jazz great, dead at 91

A genius and a legend. He will be missed. :(

323 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:39:19am

Apparently receiving multimillion dollar tax breaks from the government means you don't depend on the Government for anything.

324 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:40:19am

re: #323 Kragar

Apparently receiving multimillion dollar tax breaks from the government means you don't depend on the Government for anything.

Walmart depends on food stamps and medicaid "gifts" in order to not pay its workers a living wage.

325 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:41:04am

re: #323 Kragar

Apparently receiving multimillion dollar tax breaks from the government means you don't depend on the Government for anything.

That's different because shut up that's why.//

326 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:41:45am

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers gang up on Bob Dole in comments on NYT op-ed:

From Republicans, a Parting Slap at Bob Dole and Disabled Americans

"Preacher" offers a lonely voice of reason:

The GOP base has lost its compass and now they've thrown the captain overboard as well.

Conservative Logic 101

327 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:42:25am

re: #324 Vicious Babushka

Walmart depends on food stamps and medicaid "gifts" in order to not pay its workers a living wage.

Sounds like government subsidizedmentalism... ya know, one of those bad -isms.

328 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:46:00am
329 TedStriker  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:52:22am

re: #328 Kragar

‘Fox & Friends’ hosts: Why weren’t we invited to the White House with MSNBC?

Short answer? Because you're a bunch of dicks.

QQ some more, Fox and Freaks.

330 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:54:12am

re: #323 Kragar

Heh. Companies fall over each other to get government subsidies - whether its property tax breaks, PILOTs, tax credits, and other incentives. Some net hundreds of millions of dollars in the process.

MSFT - $312 million since 2007 from multiple states
GM - $1.7 billion from multiple states
P&G - $128 million since 2007
EADS (Airbus) - $158 million
Sears - $163 million
Revel Entertainment (NJ casino operator) - $261 million
Weyerhaeuser - $406 million ($201 million since 2007)
ADM - $110 million
Amazon - $348 million

That's just a small sampling of grants. Some of those companies are doing incredibly well. Others are struggling mightily. But all are receiving some manner of subsidy or incentive from states to stay put or relocate.

331 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:54:26am

Inhofe Claims Obama and Liberals Hope to Disband the Military

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) appeared on conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney’s show yesterday where they railed against President Obama over his speech at the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Symposium. Gaffney claimed that Obama was practicing “national security fraud” and is “misleading the American people” by heralding new efforts to curtail the proliferation of nuclear weapons, while Inhofe said that the dream of Obama and the far-left is to disband the military altogether. “The far-left doesn’t think we need a military to start with, they really don’t,” Inhofe told Gaffney, “They would never say that but they do believe that.”

332 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:55:21am

re: #330 lawhawk

Heh. Companies fall over each other to get government subsidies - whether its property tax breaks, PILOTs, tax credits, and other incentives. Some net hundreds of millions of dollars in the process.

MSFT - $312 million since 2007 from multiple states
GM - $1.7 billion from multiple states
P&G - $128 million since 2007
EADS (Airbus) - $158 million
Sears - $163 million
Revel Entertainment (NJ casino operator) - $261 million
Weyerhaeuser - $406 million ($201 million since 2007)
ADM - $110 million
Amazon - $348 million

That's just a small sampling of grants. Some of those companies are doing incredibly well. Others are struggling mightily. But all are receiving some manner of subsidy or incentive from states to stay put or relocate.

But its those damn welfare mom's bleeding us dry!
/

333 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:56:52am

re: #331 Kragar

Inhofe Claims Obama and Liberals Hope to Disband the Military

How does Inhofe get through the day without hurting himself?

Is he seriously trying to say that the POTUS who has never been shy about bombing the shit out of some terrorists wants to disband the military?

334 TedStriker  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:59:56am

re: #333 Lidane

How does Inhofe get through the day without hurting himself?

Is he seriously trying to say that the POTUS who has never been shy about bombing the shit out of some terrorists wants to disband the military?

It's all a charade...Obummer loathes the military, so he wants to get rid of it.

It's all so that the UN can take over with Agenda 21 and the CRPD, can't you see?

///

335 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:04:56am
while Inhofe said that the dream of Obama and the far-left is to disband the military altogether.

Aside from this not being true, Dinhofe and Gafe-eny might want to reflect on how some among the Founding generation viewed "standing armies".

336 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:06:11am

Really pathetic when you've got a US Senator pushing crazy conspiracy theories about POTUS to a willing audience.

337 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:07:02am

How is your day going?

338 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:07:27am
while Inhofe said that the dream of Obama and the far-left is to disband the military altogether.

And of course there's that pesky dude, the prophet Isaiah, and the bit about "beating swords into plowshares". But I realize neither Founders nor the Bible can be taken seriously or literally when it comes to American Military Destiny. /

339 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:08:50am

re: #330 lawhawk

Heh. Companies fall over each other to get government subsidies - whether its property tax breaks, PILOTs, tax credits, and other incentives. Some net hundreds of millions of dollars in the process.

MSFT - $312 million since 2007 from multiple states
GM - $1.7 billion from multiple states
P&G - $128 million since 2007
EADS (Airbus) - $158 million
Sears - $163 million
Revel Entertainment (NJ casino operator) - $261 million
Weyerhaeuser - $406 million ($201 million since 2007)
ADM - $110 million
Amazon - $348 million

That's just a small sampling of grants. Some of those companies are doing incredibly well. Others are struggling mightily. But all are receiving some manner of subsidy or incentive from states to stay put or relocate.

That's ok, because they are contribuitng to the economy, They are job creators.

*spit*

somehow there is a whole group of people who forgot that money is a symbol for resources --resources used for the benefit of PEOPLE.

340 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:09:36am

They say crazy shit like this routinely but never have any actual evidence to back it off. Seriously Inholfe, prove to me that Obama and "the far left" want to disband the military. Prove it, you imbecile.

341 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:10:16am

The more I read, the more I think this organization is the problem on which we need to focus.

342 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:11:29am

re: #341 Holidays are Family Fun Time

The more I read, the more I think this organization is the problem on which we need to focus.

Its reappearance in mainstream conservatism is certainly troubling to say the least. These guys thought Eisenhower was part of a communist conspiracy. Eisenhower.

343 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:12:05am

Companies don't create jobs because they get a tax break.

Companies create jobs because they have a customer who will give them money for goods or services.

344 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:12:33am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

First they will need to do some dream-catching, as that appears to be the place wherein our "end the military" fantasies reside. /

345 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:14:22am

The FBI Is Collecting Everybody’s Emails, Former NSA Official Warns
By Nicole Flatow on Dec 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm

[T]he FBI has access to the data collected, which is basically the e-mails of virtually everybody in the country. … All the congressional members are on the surveillance too, no one is excluded. … So, yes, this can happen to anyone. If they become a target for whatever reason – they are targeted by the government, the government can go in, or the FBI, or other agencies of the government, they can go into their database, pull all that data collected on them over the years, and we analyze it all. So, we have to actively analyze everything they’ve done for the last 10 years at least.

346 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:15:20am

re: #341 Holidays are Family Fun Time

The more I read, the more I think this organization is the problem on which we need to focus.

The organization in and of itself, while obviously ludicrous, isn't the "problem." It didn't create its crazy followers, it's just that crazy people follow and belong to it (see also: religion).

Just like the Tea Party didn't magically create a whole cadre of racist right-wing morons, it just coalesced them into one name.

347 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:18:12am

"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about."

//

348 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:18:54am

re: #345 Gus

The FBI Is Collecting Everybody’s Emails, Former NSA Official Warns
By Nicole Flatow on Dec 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Good luck managing that database --sounds like an effort in futility.

349 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:20:09am

re: #348 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Good luck managing that database --sounds like an effort in futility.

Image: ff_nsadatacenter_f.jpg

350 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:20:33am

re: #346 Ghost of Tom Joad

The organization in and of itself, while obviously ludicrous, isn't the "problem." It didn't create its crazy followers, it's just that crazy people follow and belong to it (see also: religion).

Just like the Tea Party didn't magically create a whole cadre of racist right-wing morons, it just coalesced them into one name.

Yet the crazies get their information from somewhere. I'm also inclined to believe that those are on the verge of crazy are susceptible to the organization's influence. I see what watching FOX news does to people --

351 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:21:16am

More here:

[Link: cryptome.org...]
[Link: www.cryptome.org...]

352 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:21:57am

re: #351 Gus

More here:

[Link: cryptome.org...]
[Link: www.cryptome.org...]

Area 51 of Data?

353 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:23:14am

re: #352 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Area 51 of Data?

Yep. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be a data center for Publisher's Clearing House. /

354 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:26:23am
355 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:27:54am

re: #350 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Yet the crazies get their information from somewhere. I'm also inclined to believe that those are on the verge of crazy are susceptible to the organization's influence. I see what watching FOX news does to people --

I see your point, but stupid people are going to believe, say, do, and participate in stupid bullshit. If FOX/JBS etc. didn't exist, something would be created in their place for the mental neanderthals to get their information from.

356 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:28:15am

Don't worry the Patriot Act is only temporary.

//

357 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:28:35am

Don't worry, this is only being used to fight terrorism.

//

358 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:29:31am

Monty Burns explains the fiscal cliff

359 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:31:20am

re: #346 Ghost of Tom Joad

The organization in and of itself, while obviously ludicrous, isn't the "problem." It didn't create its crazy followers, it's just that crazy people follow and belong to it (see also: religion).

Just like the Tea Party didn't magically create a whole cadre of racist right-wing morons, it just coalesced them into one name.

No, the JBS didn't create the crazed bigots, but it does organize and empower them and turn them into a real threat instead of a collection of isolated weirdos. Among many other things, organizations like this provide the kooks with professionally-composed propaganda that goes a long toward rationalizing their prejudices and mitigating any doubts they may have. It provides the strength of unity and numbers without which these people would be nothing but neighborhood curiosities.

360 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:31:23am

re: #354 Gus

[Embedded content]

With a dash of stupid anti-British bullshit too-"I think she'd fit right in the British parliament." Of course, Mr. "I would have opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964" calling anyone too radical is hilarious. I don't doubt that Ashley's probably too liberal for the Kentucky electorate but that doesn't make Rand and Mitch any less batshit.

361 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:31:56am

re: #345 Gus

The FBI Is Collecting Everybody’s Emails, Former NSA Official Warns
By Nicole Flatow on Dec 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm

THEY'VE GOT MY FAMILY'S STUFFING RECIPE! THOSE BASTARDS!

362 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:33:08am

re: #361 Kragar

THEY'VE GOT MY FAMILY'S STUFFING RECIPE! THOSE BASTARDS!

and a large percentage of information they have has been put on the internet voluntarily by the "owners" of that information.

363 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:33:42am

re: #361 Kragar

THEY'VE GOT MY FAMILY'S STUFFING RECIPE! THOSE BASTARDS!

And we have yes vote!

364 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:34:22am

The JBS is allowed to give presentations in high school history classes here in Lubbock. One JBSer boasted to me that all the kids in one class came around to agreeing with him that the Federal Reserve, the EPA, etc. were unconstitutional.

365 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:35:40am

What I don't get is the RightWingNuts want a global marketplace-no?

How do you do that without a some sort of global governance?

366 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:35:58am

re: #333 Lidane

How does Inhofe get through the day without hurting himself?

Is he seriously trying to say that the POTUS who has never been shy about bombing the shit out of some terrorists wants to disband the military?

I can't come to believe that these guys actually, truly believe most of the crazy shit that comes out of their mouths. It's all hyperbole in my eyes. It may come from the belief that Obama wants to cut some of the outlandish defense spending, but to fully dismantle the military? PBO ain't Kucinich or Luap.

It's just grandstanding. The morons that vote for him love it.

367 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:39:19am

re: #357 Gus

Don't worry, this is only being used to fight terrorism.

//

Take the 10 hour versions of He-Man singing "Hey Yeah", rename it to "How to build a bomb" and post it online, knowing some FBI agent will have to watch the whole thing to make sure there isn't a clip embedded teaching someone how to build IEDs.
///

368 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:41:46am

LaPierre: Obama and Media Planning a 'Siege on the Second Amendment in This Country Like We've Never Seen Before'

During halftime of Sunday night’s NFL football game, NBC sportscaster Bob Costas weighed in on the recent murder-suicide carried out by Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher, noting that the prevalence of guns in our culture is making such tragedies more common.

This commentary has, predictably, outraged the Right, most notably NRA President Wayne LaPierre, who appeared on Glenn Beck's television program to frantically warn that "the media in this country hates the Second Amendment rights of American citizens and they'll do anything to try and take that freedom away from average citizens" by teaming up with the Obama Administration to carry out a wholesale "siege on the Second Amendment in this country like we've never seen before":

370 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:43:32am

re: #367 Kragar

Take the 10 hour versions of He-Man singing "Hey Yeah", rename it to "How to build a bomb" and post it online, knowing some FBI agent will have to watch the whole thing to make sure there isn't a clip embedded teaching someone how to build IEDs.
///

They hate are freedum and way of life.

371 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:43:43am

re: #333 Lidane

How does Inhofe get through the day without hurting himself?

Is he seriously trying to say that the POTUS who has never been shy about bombing the shit out of some terrorists wants to disband the military?

Back home (where they spend most of their time), guys like Inhofe live in a bubble formed by the local Republicans, an echo chamber where views like theirs are never questioned. We saw this in the casual, matter of fact way in which our Judge Tom Head presented his insane UN conspiracy theory to the Lubbock media. In local GOP circles, this kind of assertion is taken for granted, just part of the shared background. Tom knew that people like liberals and gays might reject the claim but he had no idea that most of the larger world would think he was batshit crazy. Since Inhofe is in contact at least with the real world, he would know better than to make statements like this in the wrong setting, but he would not have any reason to sincerely reject them. The support from back home would be just too strong.

372 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:44:26am

re: #367 Kragar

Take the 10 hour versions of He-Man singing "Hey Yeah", rename it to "How to build a bomb" and post it online, knowing some FBI agent will have to watch the whole thing to make sure there isn't a clip embedded teaching someone how to build IEDs.
///

BTW, that's not the concern.

373 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:45:07am

Surprise local light phenomenon-Morning light, fog and a high rise. Literally a dozen people standing and staring at 6th & HillImage: 286639_395053383905717_1894071895_o.jpg

Image: 175815_395053457239043_1055648142_o.jpg

374 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:45:59am

re: #368 Kragar

LaPierre: Obama and Media Planning a 'Siege on the Second Amendment in This Country Like We've Never Seen Before'

Does Wayne LaPierre do anything other than whine like a child? Seriously, from his moronic statement that Obama wasn't doing anything in regards to gun control to lure gun owners into a false sense of security and now this. Dude, not everyone loves fucking guns and Bob Costas is entitled to his opinion. Thanks for proving Costas right though, Wayne, you're part of the problem that Costas was talking about because you care more about guns than fellow human beings.

375 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:46:04am

Stating the obvious, Mother Jones:

376 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:46:31am

re: #372 Gus

BTW, that's not the concern.

Privacy on the internet is an illusion. It always has been. As soon as you hit send, you might as well have told the world.

377 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:47:26am
378 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:47:56am

re: #376 Kragar

Privacy on the internet is an illusion. It always has been. As soon as you hit send, you might as well have told the world.

Just use encrypted communication with secure emails.

379 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:48:21am

re: #377 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I wish these fuckers would have to be poor for a while so they'd see what dicks they are. But knowing them, they wouldn't learn a damn thing.

380 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:52:12am

Review: Cypherpunks: Freedom and the Future of the Internet

1. The internet is a threat to human civilization because of its panoptic surveillance and profiling of users.

2. "Strategic surveillance" gathers all online and cellphone data as distinguished from tactical surveillance with is specifically targeted.

3. Internet and cellphones allow surveillance more efficiently and pervasively than in the physical world.

4. Individuals can be surveilled more easily if they remain mesmerized by computers, cellphones and social media.

5. Encryption prevents access to private secrets by official and commercial online surveillance and by cellphones.

6. Protestors in Arab Spring went to the streets when cellphone and online systems were disabled and thereby escaped digital surveillance.

7. General purpose computers avoid the built-in controls of special purpose computers and devices.

8. Free software avoids the control of restrictive governmental and commercial software.

9. Free encryption and anonymizing technologies can protect against authoritarian aggression embedded in the equipment and operating systems of computers, cellphones, networks, internet service providers, financial institutions and governments.

10. Younger generations will need to invent and distribute ideas, critiques, code and technology against the legacy controls of older generations indoctrinated in submissive acceptance of authority.

11. Diverse, heterogenic concepts and technology will be required to oppose centralizing, homogenizing intents of the government- and commerce-dominated Internet and cellphones.

381 Kragar  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:52:13am

re: #378 Gus

Just use encrypted communication with secure emails.

Anyone with half a brain realized this already. Its idiots who never realized how internet communications work who freak out about how stupid they've been over the years and blame the FBI for it.

382 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:52:42am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

I wish these fuckers would have to be poor for a while so they'd see what dicks they are. But knowing them, they wouldn't learn a damn thing.

I'd be happy if they were simply "upper-middle-class" for a month or two.

383 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:53:27am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

It's nothing more than fundraising in their eyes. Yes, I receive NRA-emblazoned holiday cards and nick-naks for gifts. Way more in the past 4 years. I get my folks' mail when they're on vacation, and every couple of days is an envelope splashed with URGENT! Legislative Action needed! Obama is stealing your freedoms! messages from the NRA. It isn't just Wayne. It's the whole organization. PBO has been their best fundraising tool in history.

384 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:54:50am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

I wish these fuckers would have to be poor for a while so they'd see what dicks they are. But knowing them, they wouldn't learn a damn thing.

Of course not. They'd just find a way to call poor people lazy moochers, as usual.

385 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:56:34am

Bah, bah.

386 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:56:42am

re: #383 Ghost of Tom Joad

It's nothing more than fundraising in their eyes. Yes, I receive NRA-emblazoned holiday cards and nick-naks for gifts. Way more in the past 4 years. I get my folks' mail when they're on vacation, and every couple of days is an envelope splashed with URGENT! Legislative Action needed! Obama is stealing your freedoms! messages from the NRA. It isn't just Wayne. It's the whole organization. PBO has been their best fundraising tool in history.

Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. Seriously though, I'm not anti gun rights but the NRA seems to care more about scaring its members than anything.

387 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:58:47am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. Seriously though, I'm not anti gun rights but the NRA seems to care more about scaring its members than anything.

I have to agree. There are better organizations.

They have to keep the membership entertained.

388 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:01:02am

re: #382 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'd be happy if they were simply "upper-middle-class" for a month or two.

IIRC Chris Rock talked about wealthy people becoming poor, and something to the extent you mentioned.

"If Bill Gates woke up tomorrow with Oprah's money, he'd throw himself out a fuckin' window."

It almost seems like the money people earn is inversely proportional to how much they think they "need." Which is why a disproportionate amount of the rich supported Romney and the Republicans' tax agenda; we need MOAR!

389 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:02:40am
390 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:03:36am

What can I say. Maybe I'm weird but the NSA, FBI, or whatever agency should obtain a warrant before collecting anyone's email. I'm not sure if they're capable of getting everyone's email yet but the capability will soon be there. Bottom line? The government should have no fucking right to access personal emails without a court order. End of story.

391 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:03:58am

re: #388 Ghost of Tom Joad

IIRC Chris Rock talked about wealthy people becoming poor, and something to the extent you mentioned.

"If Bill Gates woke up tomorrow with Oprah's money, he'd throw himself out a fuckin' window."

It almost seems like the money people earn is inversely proportional to how much they think they "need." Which is why a disproportionate amount of the rich supported Romney and the Republicans' tax agenda; we need MOAR!

A friend of mine once said told me that she learned from the very rich she knew that they are afraid, very afraid, because they know they can't make it in the real world.

392 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:04:00am

re: #389 Lidane

[Embedded content]

See this is what I hate and if hating it makes me a socialist, well color my ass red.

393 Lidane  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:04:49am
394 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:05:15am

re: #390 Gus

What can I say. Maybe I'm weird but the NSA, FBI, or whatever agency should obtain a warrant before collecting anyone's email. I'm not sure if they're capable of getting everyone's email yet but the capability will soon be there. Bottom line? The government should have no fucking right to access personal emails without a court order. End of story.

I agree. But I'm not confident it is or will be that way.

395 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:05:41am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. Seriously though, I'm not anti gun rights but the NRA seems to care more about scaring its members than anything.

I was a card-carrying member in my teens, not any more. They've become a complete joke at this point. They have 0 to do with gun rights. Zero. It's become all about sustaining themselves while becoming nothing more than an extension for Republicans and right-wingers.

396 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:06:00am

re: #393 Lidane

[Embedded content]

"I see a primary challenge in your future, Senator Coburn."

397 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:08:32am

re: #394 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I agree. But I'm not confident it is or will be that way.

That's why it should be a cause for concern. It shouldn't be allowed to be that way but Americans don't seem to care anymore about their civil liberties. Thankfully there are groups like the ACLU to overlook and pursue these matters. Otherwise, we're creating an almost perfect infrastructure for a dictatorship and that's not something to be proud of. They got their "Pearl Harbor" and are taking advantage of it. Unfortunately it's also become a bipartisan effort.

398 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:08:58am

re: #390 Gus

What can I say. Maybe I'm weird but the NSA, FBI, or whatever agency should obtain a warrant before collecting anyone's email. I'm not sure if they're capable of getting everyone's email yet but the capability will soon be there. Bottom line? The government should have no fucking right to access personal emails without a court order. End of story.

Preach it brother Gus.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

From one of those "Founding Fathers" we all hear so much about.

399 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:11:05am

re: #398 Ghost of Tom Joad

Preach it brother Gus.

From one of those "Founding Fathers" we all hear so much about.

I think it's more about choosing your battles. Information I put out over the intertoobs is no longer in my control. It's so mindboggling. My body, my home, yes these things I have some illusion of control over.

internet --not so much.

400 Gus  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:12:25am

Going up!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

401 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:14:03am

So my cousin had her second kid. Only five days after what would have been our Nana's 100th birthday. She named him after our grandfather. Big boy too. Since he lives in the UK, perhaps we'll have the first Rugby player in our family yet.

402 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:14:18am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

Republicans are wack, with poo brain.

They are the true cowards. Hiding from sincere expression like vampires in the nude who hide from the light.

403 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:14:40am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

So my cousin had her second kid. Only five days after what would have been our Nana's 100th birthday. She named him after our grandfather. Big boy too. Since he lives in the UK, perhaps we'll have the first Rugby player in our family yet.

beebee!!!!!

404 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:18:08am

re: #399 Holidays are Family Fun Time

My body, my home, yes these things I have some illusion of control over.

Ahh, the illusion of control.

In the movie instinct (I have a weird memory where I can recall pretty much any movie quote/scene after seeing it just once), Hopkins gets free and puts Cuba Gooding in a choke-hold and asks him what he has taken. On the 3rd answer, after I think freedom and something else, Gooding scribbles down "my illusions." Correct answer, Hopkins releases the hold.

405 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:24:29am

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