Donald Trump Jr. Quietly Unfollows Two Twitter “Alt-Right” Antisemites After Being Exposed

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After we reported yesterday that Donald Trump Jr., son of the Republican nominee for president, was following at least two overt antisemites on Twitter, we heard from a flock of Trump fans trying to claim it was because Trump Jr. wanted to “troll” them, or because he wanted to “keep track” of them. Others tried to argue the Twitter users we identified as racists and antisemites weren’t anything of the sort, just fun guys having fun with other people who like to have fun. (We have some examples of the “funny” tweets these people have been posting here.)

Here’s our screenshot of Trump Jr.’s following list as it appeared yesterday afternoon, showing the two “alt-right” antisemites under discussion, @Ricky_Vaughn99 and @Bidenshairplugs:

But now there’s been a development that destroys any attempts at deflection (reminiscent of the Trump campaign’s attempt to explain away his antisemitic image as simply a “sheriff’s star”): today when we checked Trump Jr.”s following list again, we discovered that sometime after we published our article exposing the antisemites he was following, he… unfollowed them. That’s right, they’re no longer on the list.

And he did this quietly, obviously hoping to cover it up before the media in general picked up on it. After all, at this point the last thing the Trump campaign needs is another antisemitism scandal. I’d love to have heard the discussions that went on between Trump Jr. and other advisers over this; you know there were words.

Needless to say, if Trump Jr. were really following these vile cavemen to “troll” or “keep track” of them, he wouldn’t have silently dropped them from his list. This is the act of a person who was caught doing something he couldn’t defend, and hurriedly tried to hide it before it was noticed more widely.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:14:25am

Never happened libttard. //

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:14:54am

All I have to say about Junior Donald is that the apple didn’t fall far from the tree the turd didn’t fall far from the puckered anus.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:17:05am

At no time does he even bother to address the main problem of his shver giving shout-outs to “the most fringe” with regular retweets.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:17:50am

Junior forgets the internet is forever. And yes, your daddy is a bigoted Cheeto.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:18:05am

“What do we call the people who won’t hire minorities or beat others up for their religion?”

We call them “Trump supporters”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:19:40am

I just can’t even.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:20:33am

Trump does not “empower smart people.” He empowers people who flatter him, because he thinks no one else is smarter than he is.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:20:50am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

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Well, Donald Trump is an ogre, so he’s got lots of experience with layers.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:21:25am

They all have terrible hair and tiny hands. What a terrible pedigree. Sad.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:23:52am

re: #9 Dr. Matt

They all have terrible hair and tiny hands. What a terrible pedigree. Sad.

No AKC papers! No pedigree! Sad!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:24:31am

Ygelsias has a post up on Vox that shows how Trump’s businesses basically were just conduits to paying off his personal debts:

Trump made money in Atlantic City through two primary means. First, he extracted management fees from companies he was involved with, and second, he transferred personal debts to companies he controlled:

The pattern started with his very first Atlantic City venture, a partnership with Harrah’s for which he was paid a $24 million construction management fee.
Over the years, the Times reports, Trump “collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and other payments.”
In 1993 the Trump Plaza casino sold more than $100 million in junk bonds, and “more than half of the new money went to pay off Mr. Trump’s unrelated personal loans.”
In 1995 the company staged an IPO, and then a week later “the new company began using some of the almost $300 million it had raised to clear Mr. Trump’s personal debts.”
Trump’s casinos paid $300,000 a year for the right to use Trump’s jet to transport celebrities to gigs.
Trump appears to have bilked the shareholders of Trump casinos and resorts out of the opportunity to share in a $1 million profit related to the sale of shares in Riviera Hotel and Casino, keeping the money for himself instead.
What Trump did not do, according to the Times, was run successful casinos:

“Revenues at other Atlantic City casinos rose 18 percent from 1997 through 2002; Mr. Trump’s fell by 1 percent.”
“Had Mr. Trump’s revenues grown at the rate of other Atlantic City casinos, his company could have made its interest payments and possibly registered a profit.”
The public company never turned a profit, leaving behind a trail of losses for shareholders and bondholders and unpaid bills to contractors and subcontractors.

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Shimshon  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:24:58am

They’re defending their sports team. You suck and they rule. Anything their team does is okay and anything your team does is the worst thing ever. It works so well for Republicans since most of them were brought up in smaller cities that worship football athletes and everyone hates “the refs” which translate into hating government and rules.

Trump pays bribes so he doesn’t face prosecution about Trump University? That’s okay because it is his team. Hillary uses a private email server? That is literally treason and she gets away with it because the law doesn’t matter to the rich!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:26:43am

Not sure if posted already.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:27:10am

Yea silly overreacting lady! You can’t just go calling someone an anti-Semite simply because they choose to associate with people who admire Hitler and wave swastikas around while speaking wistfully of genocide.

I’m starting to wonder if anyone in Donald Trump’s family know what anti-Semite means?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:28:27am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

Just what was expected of that Trump person.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:29:05am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

Pocket change for the Trump from the Chumps.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:29:20am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

Not sure if posted already.

Make “Make America Great Again” Bankrupt.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:29:53am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

The Trump model of good business! Bravo!

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:30:25am

Everything Donald touches…..Goes right into his pocket.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:30:43am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

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Not sure if posted already.

Wonder how much of that money found its way into Trump’s pockets.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:31:17am

re: #8 Testy Toad T

+1 for Shrek reference.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:33:03am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

But Donald told me bankruptcy is good. Is that not right?

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:34:12am
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:35:36am

Go figure. Trump fudged his June figures to include a week of May.

And the final figures still aren’t in with the FEC.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:35:53am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:36:56am

re: #24 lawhawk

Go figure. Trump fudged his June figures to include a week of May.

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And the final figures still aren’t in with the FEC.

I don’t believe one thing from him.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:37:14am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

So, again, they have to correct themselves after smearing Hillary as “careless”.

But Hillary bribed him and Lynch.

Okay.

GAH!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:40:01am
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bratwurst  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:40:42am

Nice to know at least one politician has his priorities straight!

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:41:42am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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I’d love to see a comparison of “Lies Hillary Told” and “Lies Told About Hillary.” There has been an entire fucking industry built on lying about her. I’m so sick of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:42:47am

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pretty weak defense.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:43:34am

re: #29 bratwurst

Nice to know at least one politician has his priorities straight!

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Quite proud of his taxpayer funded, self righteous public maturbation, isn’t he?

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A Mom Anon  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:43:47am

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think there’s an enormous threat of intimidation there. Trump is a nasty, mean spirited bully who never lets a grudge go. Being his son in law would be hell without any sort of standing up to him. This is no excuse, frankly, these people all have enough money that they could stop working tommorrow and move to Tahiti and be just fine and never have to see the Hell’s Cheeto again. But, money means more to a lot of people than anything else, status too. I can’t even imagine being in that awful family. Yuck.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:43:52am

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can be pro-Israel and anti-Semitic at the same time. The positions are not either/or.

Some religious groups are pro-Israel, because it fulfills their apocalyptic worldviews requiring Israel to exist and then be destroyed to bring about their own salvation. Etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:44:19am

re: #29 bratwurst

Nice to know at least one politician has his priorities straight!

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Is Abbott admitting that he thinks Trump doesn’t have a chance so he’s going to waste his state’s time if Clinton gets elected on meaningless bullshit. Do your fucking job Greg and realize you’re the governor of Texas not some dipshit wingnut asshole with a Twitter account. For your predecessors sake, at least show some dignity to the office.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:44:47am

re: #34 lawhawk

You can be pro-Israel and anti-Semitic at the same time. The positions are not either/or.

Some religious groups are pro-Israel, because it fulfills their apocalyptic worldviews requiring Israel to exist and then be destroyed to bring about their own salvation. Etc.

And Trump is “Pro Israel” because he hates Muslims.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:45:58am

re: #34 lawhawk

You can be pro-Israel and anti-Semitic at the same time. The positions are not either/or.

Some religious groups are pro-Israel, because it fulfills their apocalyptic worldviews requiring Israel to exist and then be destroyed to bring about their own salvation. Etc.

You can also hold racist views about Jewish people and not be anti-semitic, per se.

I think in actuality Trump holds most or all of the traditional anti-semitic views about Jewish people, particularly all of the ones revolving around money, and sees these attributes as positive, something that he personally seeks to emulate. They’re winners, yuuuuuuge, golden winners!

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:46:07am

Reading this, I am now wondering if Corker’s comment wasn’t a snide remark about how his kiddies are running the Trump Amateur Hour campaign?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:46:48am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Pretty weak defense.

“One of his best friends is me!”

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:47:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:48:41am
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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:48:45am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Pretty weak defense.

As the lawyers would say, that attempted defense is non-responsive to the issue at hand. So the defense is not merely weak, it’s nonexistent.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:49:08am

re: #40 Jenner7

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Why would he want generals? He knows more than they do about ISIS so what purpose would they serve?

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:49:18am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

“What do we call the people who won’t hire minorities or beat others up for their religion?”

We call them “Trump supporters”

yep. the way I parse out that sentence…

“what do we call the people who won’t beat others up for their religion?”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:49:54am

re: #44 dangerman

yep. the way I parse out that sentence…

“what do we call the people who won’t beat others up for their religion?”

Libtards. //

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:49:59am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because your family is full of slimy frauds who would ruin our country? Just a guess.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:50:02am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:50:18am
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:50:54am
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danarchy  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:51:42am

OT - I respect Marvel’s desire to embrace diversity and all that, but this is starting to seem sort of trite and a cynical way to get a temporary boost in sales. Instead of recasting all of their old flagship characters as women and minorities maybe they should create new interesting characters that can stand on their own?

New Iron Man is a woman

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:51:43am

re: #47 Stanley Sea

and millions and millions and millions and millions and no, I don’t have the actual numbers….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:51:52am

re: #47 Stanley Sea

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Harry Truman had a saying that would not go over too well with the Trump babies and that’s if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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Reality Based Steve  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:53:35am

re: #50 danarchy

OT - I respect Marvel’s desire to embrace diversity and all that, but this is starting to seem sort of trite and a cynical way to get a temporary boost in sales. Instead of recasting all of their old flagship characters as women and minorities maybe they should create new interesting characters that can stand on their own?

New Iron Man is a woman

And she’s black, which has upset the freepers to no small degree. It’s all part of the master plan they see to eliminate white males.

RBS

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:53:36am

re: #47 Stanley Sea

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Gee I didn’t realize Tim Tebow was dying.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:53:39am

re: #47 Stanley Sea

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Go read this timeline!

Busted.

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gwangung  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:54:33am

re: #50 danarchy

OT - I respect Marvel’s desire to embrace diversity and all that, but this is starting to seem sort of trite and a cynical way to get a temporary boost in sales. Instead of recasting all of their old flagship characters as women and minorities maybe they should create new interesting characters that can stand on their own?

New Iron Man is a woman

Hm. Sorta like the late James Rhodes, aka War Machine?

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:54:50am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:55:11am

re: #47 Stanley Sea

re: #49 lawhawk

This line from the WP article:

“My father likes to keep some anonymity. It’s who he is. It’s who he is as a person,” Eric Trump said.

I’m sorry, but has Eric Trump actually met Donald Trump?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:55:24am

re: #29 bratwurst

Nice to know at least one politician has his priorities straight!

The nation’s worst governor, apart from maybe that guy in Maine.

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Tigger2  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:55:25am

re: #29 bratwurst

Nice to know at least one politician has his priorities straight!

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Might as well be blunt.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:56:10am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

who is this?

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:58:19am

re: #50 danarchy

There’s a long history of recycling characters and portraying them differently. Whether it’s alt-universes, retconning, or just having new people assume the role, this is just more of the same.

Yet, when you’re doing this with your MCU central character - Tony Stark/Iron Man, you’re definitely taking a chance and are putting your chips down on multiculturalism and supporting strong female characters.

After all, Iron Man is the role that led to something like $10+ billion in movie revenues (not counting all the toys/marketing deals) (gotta back out the Spiderman and non Marvel made movies).

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:58:28am

re: #61 Sir John Barron

who is this?

The reporter for WAPO who had the temerity to start questioning Trump’s claims of charitable giving. He started digging for potential recipients of his supposed charity and turned up a bunch of nothing.

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lizardofid  Jul 6, 2016 • 11:59:45am

re: #29 bratwurst

Nice to know at least one politician has his priorities straight!

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This is Abbott’s kind of priority.

dallasnews.com

“spit”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:01:31pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

The nation’s worst governor, apart from maybe that guy in Maine.

You are forgetting about Brownback, who probably has the inside edge on the GOP race to be worst Governor.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:01:52pm

re: #64 lizardofid

This is Abbott’s kind of priority.

dallasnews.com

“spit”

It’s so much easier to be a governor when you don’t actually attempt to govern.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:02:26pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

This line from the WP article:

I’m sorry, but has Eric Trump actually met Donald Trump?

It’s such a scam. I hope they bust the whole thing open.

Money laundering with charitable foundations.

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lizardofid  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:02:42pm

re: #62 lawhawk

There’s a long history of recycling characters and portraying them differently. Whether it’s alt-universes, retconning, or just having new people assume the role, this is just more of the same.

Yet, when you’re doing this with your MCU central character - Tony Stark/Iron Man, you’re definitely taking a chance and are putting your chips down on multiculturalism and supporting strong female characters.

After all, Iron Man is the role that led to something like $10+ billion in movie revenues (not counting all the toys/marketing deals) (gotta back out the Spiderman and non Marvel made movies).

I wonder how Robert Downey Jr’s price per film enter in to the decision?

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:02:44pm

re: #50 danarchy

OT - I respect Marvel’s desire to embrace diversity and all that, but this is starting to seem sort of trite and a cynical way to get a temporary boost in sales. Instead of recasting all of their old flagship characters as women and minorities maybe they should create new interesting characters that can stand on their own?

New Iron Man is a woman

I do like the way the character is set up. At least it wasn’t a Tony-Stark-now-as-a-woman story.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:02:54pm

re: #65 Big Beautiful Door

You are forgetting about Brownback, who probably has the inside edge on the GOP race to be worst Governor.

Brownback is trying and failing miserably, but at least he’s trying?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At the end of the day, I am not sure there is really a wrong answer to “worst Republican governor”.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:04:27pm

re: #70 Testy Toad T

Brownback is trying and failing miserably, but at least he’s trying?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At the end of the day, I am not sure there is really a wrong answer to “worst Republican governor”.

So, the opposite of the discussion over whose dog is the best dog we had yesterday.

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Tigger2  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:04:30pm

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Reality Based Steve  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:05:38pm

re: #70 Testy Toad T

Brownback is trying and failing miserably, but at least he’s trying?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At the end of the day, I am not sure there is really a wrong answer to “worst Republican governor”.

I’d think LePage in Maine may have the inside track on it, but you’re right, it’s like picking a winner in the “Ms. Leper Colony Contest”. When it’s all said and done, you’re still a leper.

RBS

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:06:53pm

re: #70 Testy Toad T

Brownback is trying and failing miserably, but at least he’s trying?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At the end of the day, I am not sure there is really a wrong answer to “worst Republican governor”.

There are so many categories of fail, when it comes to that group.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:08:24pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:08:50pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

There are so many categories of fail, when it comes to that group.

Kentucky’s Governor Matt Bevin has had his approval rating drop to 33% in only seven months. He is currently plotting how to get away with canceling Medicaid for 400k poor Kentuckians.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:11:13pm

re: #29 bratwurst

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:11:27pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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“There are people far more suited for being a candidate for vice president, and I think I’m far more suited for other types of things,” Corker told the Washington Post.

Like absolutely anything other than Donald Trump’s running mate.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:11:40pm

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

Kentucky’s Governor Matt Bevin has had his approval rating drop to 33% in only seven months. He is currently plotting how to get away with canceling Medicaid for 400k poor Kentuckians.

Maybe he can pray on it. Ask God. See what the Big Man says. God seems to talk to the GOP all the time. I’m sure he cares greatly about his children.

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calochortus  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:11:53pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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Don’t Donald and Ivanka both live in NY? One of them would have to move.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:11:54pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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They really have no respect for this office do they?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:12:46pm

re: #80 calochortus

Don’t Donald and Ivanka both live in NY? One of them would have to move.

I think they could but they’d have to vacate NY’s EVs.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:13:05pm

re: #79 nines09

Maybe he can pray on it. Ask God. See what the Big Man says. God seems to talk to the GOP all the time. I’m sure he cares greatly about his children.

“Matt, there are billionaires who need a tax cut more than those losers need medical care, Matt.”

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:13:11pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

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Empowering “smart” people with wide latitude in the use of government power has never backfired. Not once. In the whole history of mankind.

They really have no understanding of government, or history, or basic human psychology, or anyfuckingthing, do they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:13:29pm

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

Kentucky’s Governor Matt Bevin has had his approval rating drop to 33% in only seven months. He is currently plotting how to get away with canceling Medicaid for 400k poor Kentuckians.

He’s also looking to gut every regulation that “stifles business” he can find.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:14:01pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I think they could but they’d have to vacate NY’s EVs.

Trump is probably still fantasizing that he can win NY.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:14:47pm

re: #83 Big Beautiful Door

“Matt, there are billionaires who need a tax cut more than those losers need medical care, Matt.”

“And how much have these poor given back to God, Matt? Huh? Huh? See that stained glass? It didn’t just show up one day. Like that Alter? Where did that come from? Huh?”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:14:58pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s also looking to gut every regulation that “stifles business” he can find.

I just got that email; it went out statewide asking employees for regulation cutting advice.

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Tigger2  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:16:38pm
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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:17:08pm

re: #88 Big Beautiful Door

I just got that email; it went out statewide asking employees for regulation cutting advice.

Do away with clean air and water acts and give everyone a respirator and a charcoal filter.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:17:33pm

re: #79 nines09

Maybe he can pray on it. Ask God. See what the Big Man says. God seems to talk to the GOP all the time. I’m sure he cares greatly about his children.

Isn’t there enough evidence at this point to suggest that the god they are hearing is Loki or Robin Goodfellow?

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:18:07pm

re: #91 KGxvi

Isn’t there enough evidence at this point to suggest that the god they are hearing is Loki or Robin Goodfellow?

I think the voice they hear is their own black heart.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:19:09pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s also looking to gut every regulation that “stifles business” he can find.

“You know, Matt, I find my coal business is being crushed under the weight of these safety regulations. If I could reduce the number and strength of the braces we use, and get rid of all the ventilation, we’d be a lot more profitable! It would also help if we could make our miners into independent contractors and make them bear all the risk of collapses, etc!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:21:02pm

As I posted a few breads down when this first came to light:

Like Fuhrer, like son.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:21:07pm

re: #90 nines09

Do away with clean air and water acts and give everyone a respirator and a charcoal filter.

Give? GIVE?!? Let ‘em pay for their own clean air, if they want it so much!!

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:21:32pm

re: #91 KGxvi

Isn’t there enough evidence at this point to suggest that the god they are hearing is Loki or Robin Goodfellow?

Been reading “Sandman” again, have we?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:21:38pm

The UK’s Iraq war report is far more devastating than the FBI report. UK intelligence predicted the chaos which would descend on Iraq as a result of the invasion. Blair went along anyway to maintain good relations with the US. But that was when we needed a real friend to take the car keys away.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:22:04pm

re: #92 nines09

I think the voice they hear is their own black heart.

Probably the source of the voice that told 16 Republicans God wanted them to be President.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:23:45pm

re: #80 calochortus

Don’t Donald and Ivanka both live in NY? One of them would have to move.

Cheney was a Texas resident until the committee he led decided he was the best choice to be Bush’s running mate in 2000, he changed his residency to Wyoming and all was good. One of the Trumps would just have to change their residency to Florida or wherever. Technically, the president and vice-president cannot be from the same state.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:24:59pm

re: #96 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Been reading “Sandman” again, have we?

A Midsummer’s Night Dream, actually.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:25:30pm

re: #99 KGxvi

I hear there’s some prime real estate on Jupiter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:26:18pm

Listening to Trump talking about Saddam being great at killing terrorists (dafuq?), and using the Iraq War against Jeb and the Bush family in general, and claiming he was always against it, it just struck me that all those people cheering him on are the same assholes who insisted it was treasonous to question the invasion back in 2003 and 2004.

They have turned 180 degrees, totally seamlessly.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:27:26pm

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

Probably the source of the voice that told 16 Republicans God wanted them to be President.

If somewhere in a conversation with someone, they say something like “God told me/us”………..I’m gone, baby, gone.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:27:57pm

re: #99 KGxvi

Actually, they can, but things can get weird if they are, so it’ll never happen in practice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:30:34pm

re: #103 nines09

If somewhere in a conversation with someone, they say something like “God told me/us”………..I’m gone, baby, gone.

“The Lord says he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re fucked!”

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:32:06pm

re: #99 KGxvi

Cheney was a Texas resident until the committee he led decided he was the best choice to be Bush’s running mate in 2000, he changed his residency to Wyoming and all was good. One of the Trumps would just have to change their residency to Florida or wherever. Technically, the president and vice-president cannot be from the same state.

Actually, they can. But, hypothetically, if Donald & Ivanka were the ticket and he won New York, New York’s electors couldn’t vote for both of them.

snopes.com

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:32:53pm

re: #91 KGxvi

Isn’t there enough evidence at this point to suggest that the god they are hearing is Loki or Robin Goodfellow?

More like Satan or Cthulhu.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:33:00pm

re: #104 withak

Actually, they can, but things can get weird if they are, so it’ll never happen in practice.

The Twelfth Amendment says slightly differently:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; — the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; — The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

Now, theoretically, if the election was thrown to Congress because nobody got to 270 electoral votes, it could happen because I don’t believe there’s anything stopping Congress from picking anyone they please. But as far as the electoral college goes: nope.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:33:34pm

re: #108 KGxvi

The link I provided goes into that in detail.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:34:22pm

What kind of interactions did GRRM have with Trump, because he’s starting to sound like he based the Lannisters on the Trump clan, and it’s going to be up to the Starks and Targaryens to put them out of our collective misery.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:34:48pm

re: #100 KGxvi

A Midsummer’s Night Dream, actually.

The Younger Boy played Puck in his High School’s production of that. Oh. My. God. He was amazing. He has a flair for physical comedy that I’d never appreciated.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:35:03pm

re: #108 KGxvi

The Twelfth Amendment says slightly differently:

Now, theoretically, if the election was thrown to Congress because nobody got to 270 electoral votes, it could happen because I don’t believe there’s anything stopping Congress from picking anyone they please. But as far as the electoral college goes: nope.

That only restricts the electors if the President-elect and Vice President-elect are from their home states, so it would only affect the electors of one state.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:35:05pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

More like Satan or Cthulhu.

Gesundheit.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:35:18pm

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

Kentucky’s Governor Matt Bevin has had his approval rating drop to 33% in only seven months. He is currently plotting how to get away with canceling Medicaid for 400k poor Kentuckians.

Probably some of those 400k voted for Bevin. Might not be happy now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:36:36pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Well, Trump Foundation did “donate” some money to the scammy Komen Foundation for some scummy Tim Tebow swag.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:36:39pm

re: #114 Sir John Barron

Probably some of those 400k voted for Bevin. Might not be happy now.

Most of them just didn’t vote. We only had a 30% turnout of registered voters last November. Soon they could lose their health insurance as a result.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:37:31pm

If that section prevented a majority of electors from choosing a Vice Presidential nominee, then the Senate would get to choose the Vice President:

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:37:37pm

re: #109 withak

The link I provided goes into that in detail.

I’m fairly certain that most states, in order to comply with the 12th Amendment have provisions that wouldn’t allow a ticket on the ballot with both members from the same state. And that’s because every state has a law binding electoral voters to the results of the popular vote.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:38:58pm

re: #80 calochortus

Don’t Donald and Ivanka both live in NY? One of them would have to move.

One of them will list Mar-A-Lago as permanent address.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:39:22pm

re: #110 lawhawk

What kind of interactions did GRRM have with Trump, because he’s starting to sound like he based the Lannisters on the Trump clan, and it’s going to be up to the Starks and Targaryens to put them out of our collective misery.

I don’t see anyone of Tyrion’s intelligence among ‘em.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:39:26pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Listening to Trump talking about Saddam being great at killing terrorists (dafuq?), and using the Iraq War against Jeb and the Bush family in general, and claiming he was always against it, it just struck me that all those people cheering him on are the same assholes who insisted it was treasonous to question the invasion back in 2003 and 2004.

They have turned 180 degrees, totally seamlessly.

That’s because, for all the claims you hear about principles, the overriding principle that guides most people appears to be “keep the people who think like me in power.” It’s not really surprising - you can’t accomplish a lot of the goals that people want to achieve through government if you’re not the governing party. Particularly for conservatives, as you can’t lower taxes or force women to have children or keep gay people from getting married or trans folk from using the bathrooms.

Maybe it would be different if we had two functioning parties, but we don’t and haven’t really for a while.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:39:33pm

re: #117 Timothy Watson

If that section prevented a majority of electors from choosing a Vice Presidential nominee, then the Senate would get to choose the Vice President:

I bet this sounded super obvious and completely non-controversial to the framers of the Constitution, and yet it would make the whole damn world burn down now.

Meanwhile, teh gays!!! are getting married and the bulk of the population doesn’t really seem to give a shit.

Funny how things change over the centuries.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:40:18pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t see anyone of Tyrion’s intelligence among ‘em.

Or Tywin’s.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:40:49pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t see anyone of Tyrion’s intelligence among ‘em.

Nah, but the hand size is right on.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:41:06pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

And by donate you mean used charitable donations for his personal benefit.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:42:34pm

re: #122 Testy Toad T

I bet this sounded super obvious and completely non-controversial to the framers of the Constitution, and yet it would make the whole damn world burn down now.

Meanwhile, teh gays!!! are getting married and the bulk of the population doesn’t really seem to give a shit.

Funny how things change over the centuries.

The electoral college prohibition on a state selecting both a President and Vice President from their state was in response to fear that a state like Virginia would dominate the Executive Branch.

Not an issue now with the number of states and the dispersion of the population across the whole continent, but it was a serious concern at the time.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:42:47pm

re: #122 Testy Toad T

I bet this sounded super obvious and completely non-controversial to the framers of the Constitution, and yet it would make the whole damn world burn down now.

Meanwhile, teh gays!!! are getting married and the bulk of the population doesn’t really seem to give a shit.

Funny how things change over the centuries.

We came incredibly close to that result in 2000. Seriously, you think it was bad the way it played out, imagine if Florida wasn’t able to certify its vote and thus didn’t participate in the electoral college…

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:43:02pm

re: #122 Testy Toad T

I bet this sounded super obvious and completely non-controversial to the framers of the Constitution, and yet it would make the whole damn world burn down now.

Meanwhile, teh gays!!! are getting married and the bulk of the population doesn’t really seem to give a shit.

Funny how things change over the centuries.

It actually happened once, in 1836. Richard Johnson, Democrat Martin Van Buren’s VP pick, was found to be having an affair with a slave after the election but before the Electoral College met. Virginia’s electors decided they couldn’t be having with that and withheld their support; without their electoral votes, Johnson didn’t have a majority and had to go to the Senate, where he won a 2/3 majority over the main Whig Francis Granger- including Virginia’s senators. (The Whigs ran two different tickets, North and South.)

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:43:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:48:32pm

Trump Spokesperson Katrina Pierson talking about Trump’s bankruptcies and history of not paying contractors and workers:

“He got rich and got out. And he thinks that’s something to be proud of. That says everything you need to know about Donald Trump.”

Yes. Yes it does.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:49:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:49:50pm
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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:52:37pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

great minds think alike way back at #44

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:53:22pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

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This whole anti-Semitic-or-not brouhaha is only a win for Trump. It distracts the discussion from his total lack of any record of public service or elective office.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:53:31pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Hillary said that, not Katrina.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:55:41pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:56:32pm

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This whole anti-Semitic-or-not brouhaha is only a win for Trump. It distracts the discussion from his total lack of any record of public service or elective office.

Assumes facts not in evidence that this is considered a bad thing by a solid majority of voters.

I mean, sure, you and I think it’s a bad thing, but a lot of Republicans apparently vehemently disagree.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 12:59:41pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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Just, aesthetically, I would say “go roast beef.”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:00:36pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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There are so many things wrong here, I don’t even know where to start.

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makeitstop  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:01:15pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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….the hell???

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:02:30pm

re: #140 makeitstop

I can go for shaved steak…FORGET I SAID THAT!
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:02:38pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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Please tell me that is a parody tweet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:03:27pm

Hahahahahahahahaha!

(Note: this is an ACTUAL gofund me campaign)

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:03:42pm

Re: floating Ivanka as Trump VP running mate, looks like Charles Gaba’s still the first to have floating that option:

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:04:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:04:43pm

We’re seriously in a world where Turmp’s daughter who has never held any elected office and is just barely eligible to run is seriously being floated as a VP candidate? You know what have it your way GOP. Continue to live in fantasy world where there’s nothing wrong with your party.

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danarchy  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:05:00pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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First off, I think the story is much ado about nothing, but because the state department presents 2 emails that were wrongly classified does not equal there was no classified information on the server and the FBI was wrong. After all the State Department sort of has a vested interest in trying to prove they are not incompetent

Sorry but the FBI spent a lot of time investigating and this doesn’t invalidate the whole investigation.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:05:33pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

We’re seriously in a world where Turmp’s daughter who has never held any elected office and is just barely eligible to run is seriously being floated as a VP candidate?

Thus making her almost identically as qualified as the GOP presidential candidate.

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Tigger2  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:05:40pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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One of her tweets from her feed.

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TK-421  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:06:30pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Listening to Trump talking about Saddam being great at killing terrorists (dafuq?), and using the Iraq War against Jeb and the Bush family in general, and claiming he was always against it, it just struck me that all those people cheering him on are the same assholes who insisted it was treasonous to question the invasion back in 2003 and 2004.

They have turned 180 degrees, totally seamlessly.

One more thing, they’re pinning Iraq on Hillary.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:06:40pm

re: #149 Tigger2

One of her tweets from her feed.

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I guess she’s a special person who has no obligation to work?

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:06:48pm

re: #142 Big Beautiful Door

Please tell me that is a parody tweet.

I’m afraid it’s real. The rest of this person’s internet ravings are as bad or worse than this.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:07:00pm

re: #147 danarchy

First off, I think the story is much ado about nothing, but because the state department presents 2 emails that were wrongly classified does not equal there was no classified information on the server and the FBI was wrong. After all the State Department sort of has a vested interest in trying to prove they are not incompetent

Sorry but the FBI spent a lot of time investigating and this doesn’t invalidate the whole investigation.

Which is probably one of the reasons they said they’d never actually prosecuted someone for this kind of thing. The State Department and the FBI have been arguing over what’s classified since this issue rose to the level of “maybe it will take down Clinton.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:07:10pm

re: #149 Tigger2

One of her tweets from her feed.

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Shouldn’t she by her own standards be at work? Oh wait, that condescending crap is only directed at blah people.//

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:07:47pm

re: #149 Tigger2

One of her tweets from her feed.

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Christian, racist, and of course a Trump supporter.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:07:47pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:08:05pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

She seems nice.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:08:07pm

re: #149 Tigger2

One of her tweets from her feed.

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I presume she can tell the tweets are black tweets because they’re all written in ebola-bola-bonics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:08:47pm

re: #137 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Assumes facts not in evidence that this is considered a bad thing by a solid majority of voters.

I mean, sure, you and I think it’s a bad thing, but a lot of Republicans apparently vehemently disagree.

A lot of Republicans really thing that a total outsider can just come in, kick ass and make things work again.

All he can do is wreck a lot of shit that will be difficult or impossible to restore…

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Tigger2  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:08:47pm

re: #151 Timothy Watson

I guess she’s a special person who has no obligation to work?

Read her feed she’s racist as hell.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:08:51pm

Trump Announces It Would Be “Stoopid” To Pick Running Mate Before Election

“our stoopit leaders lose elections becuz they give away their stragedy, see? si’ll wait until they coronate me or whatever - ok?”

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:09:15pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Listening to Trump talking about Saddam being great at killing terrorists (dafuq?), and using the Iraq War against Jeb and the Bush family in general, and claiming he was always against it, it just struck me that all those people cheering him on are the same assholes who insisted it was treasonous to question the invasion back in 2003 and 2004.

They have turned 180 degrees, totally seamlessly.

And people who once called anyone who disagreed with neoconservative foreign policy, or thought maybe Israel should be a little more restrained in their behavior, an anti-Semite, have no problem with obvious in-your-face anti-Semitism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:09:17pm

re: #149 Tigger2

Obviously the concept of tweeting while at work is unknown to her…

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:09:26pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

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The first and only question Sanders should have been asked is “Where’s your endorsement?” Nothing else, from anyone. The Democrats need to play hardball with Trump’s Vermont surrogate.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:09:51pm

re: #147 danarchy

First off, I think the story is much ado about nothing, but because the state department presents 2 emails that were wrongly classified does not equal there was no classified information on the server and the FBI was wrong. After all the State Department sort of has a vested interest in trying to prove they are not incompetent

Sorry but the FBI spent a lot of time investigating and this doesn’t invalidate the whole investigation.

There is a subtle distinction. These emails were supposedly marked classified, rather than merely having classified material in them. But they actually weren’t.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:10:15pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

We’re seriously in a world where Turmp’s daughter who has never held any elected office and is just barely eligible to run is seriously being floated as a VP candidate? You know what have it your way GOP. Continue to live in fantasy world where there’s nothing wrong with your party.

She has the same qualifications as Daddy, IOW: NONE AT ALL

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:10:26pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

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It’s getting worse. Glad we’re not going to have to find out the hard way and have him as a nominee or President. He’s a joke at this point.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:10:49pm

re: #153 Belafon

Which is probably one of the reasons they said they’d never actually prosecuted someone for this kind of thing. The State Department and the FBI have been arguing over what’s classified since this issue rose to the level of “maybe it will take down Clinton.”

This. If you take any set of tens of thousands of Secretary of State emails and subject them to the kind of investigation that the FBI did, it is certain that a few security-related warts will show up. Especially since the FBI applied a “should have known” standard for classification, as opposed to reliance on security markings.

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Ming5000  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:11:12pm

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

Kentucky’s Governor Matt Bevin has had his approval rating drop to 33% in only seven months. He is currently plotting how to get away with canceling Medicaid for 400k poor Kentuckians.

Cripes. They knew what they were getting.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:11:17pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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Jennifer seems nice

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:11:47pm

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

She has the same qualifications as Daddy, IOW: NONE AT ALL

Exactly.

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Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:11:55pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I predicted that Trump would pick his daughter for VP a while back. I’m still sticking to that prediction.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:13:25pm

re: #172 Skip Intro

I predicted that Trump would pick his daughter for VP a while back. I’m still sticking to that prediction.

Why the hell not. Either her or Chris Christie; Trump likes to keep a fat guy around because they are funny.

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Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:13:25pm

re: #80 calochortus

Don’t Donald and Ivanka both live in NY? One of them would have to move.

One of them could claim Mar-a-lago as their residence. It didn’t stop the two Texans, Bush and Cheney.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:13:43pm

re: #172 Skip Intro

I predicted that Trump would pick his daughter for VP a while back. I’m still sticking to that prediction.

Would that be the creepiest ticket in history?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:14:11pm

re: #175 Barefoot Grin

Would that be the creepiest ticket in history?

Too late.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:15:34pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Too late.

Exactly. Trump - X 2016 is so awful that it really doesn’t matter what X is.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:15:44pm

Retired Area Mogul Reminisces In Old Age Home

relives for the millionth time the days when he was considered wealthy and successful and got the most votes in some long forgotten primary election

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Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:16:18pm

re: #97 Big Beautiful Door

The UK’s Iraq war report is far more devastating than the FBI report. UK intelligence predicted the chaos which would descend on Iraq as a result of the invasion. Blair went along anyway to maintain good relations with the US. But that was when we needed a real friend to take the car keys away.

I’m sure the US media has more important things to report on like Hilary’s bribing the head of the FBI and the current antics of the Kardashians.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:16:33pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:16:35pm

Ivanka is the stalking horse of VP candidates.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:16:55pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

What the….?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:17:15pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Not even slightly sorry for that one.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:17:23pm

re: #179 Skip Intro

I’m sure the US media has more important things to report on like Hilary’s bribing the head of the FBI and the current antics of the Kardashians.

Sad but true.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:18:08pm

re: #181 I Would Prefer Not To

Ivanka is the stalking horse of VP candidates.

Ivanka is considering her father for running mate.

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Interesting Times  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:18:09pm

re: #170 I Would Prefer Not To

Jennifer seems nice

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Not bad, but hardly her finest work:

and:

…now pardon me while I pour bleach down my browser cache

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:18:30pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Q: What does Donald Trump wear to make himself more attractive?

A: His daughter.

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:18:37pm

re: #164 Brian J.

The first and only question Sanders should have been asked is “Where’s your endorsement?” Nothing else, from anyone. The Democrats need to play hardball with Trump’s Vermont surrogate.

just for fun, i’d go with “tax returns or endorsement. one or the other.”

you’re either in or you’re out

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:18:45pm
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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:19:06pm

re: #186 Interesting Times

Not bad, but hardly her finest work:

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…now pardon me while I pour bleach down my browser cache

I’d sooner type rm -rf / than click on those reveal buttons.

Do you know how strongly my brain resists that string?

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:19:15pm

re: #97 Big Beautiful Door

The UK’s Iraq war report is far more devastating than the FBI report. UK intelligence predicted the chaos which would descend on Iraq as a result of the invasion. Blair went along anyway to maintain good relations with the US. But that was when we needed a real friend to take the car keys away.

Reminds me of stuff I read about the Bay of Pigs invasion: British intelligence warned the United States that there was no popular support for a revolt against Castro, particularly in the area where the invasion was going to be launched, but JFK et al. didn’t bother to listen.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:19:43pm

re: #189 jaunte

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Ben likes the ether. A lot.

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:19:51pm

re: #172 Skip Intro

I predicted that Trump would pick his daughter for VP a while back. I’m still sticking to that prediction.

a while back IRL i suggested he might pick himself.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:20:08pm

re: #188 dangerman

just for fun, i’d go with “tax returns or endorsement. one or the other.”

you’re either in or you’re out

Fair enough, but his tax returns aren’t relevant to anything anymore. Sanders lost despite the advantage of concealing his finances, along with his many other advantages. Not really much of a candidate, and that’s why it’s so galling to have Hillary making any kind of platform or program concession to this prick.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:20:46pm

re: #186 Interesting Times

That’s nothing….

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:21:14pm

re: #186 Interesting Times

Not bad, but hardly her finest work:

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…now pardon me while I pour bleach down my browser cache

She doesn’t even make sense.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:22:06pm

A rare case of enforcing corporate responsibility:

Court Backs Jail for Iowa Egg Executives in Salmonella Case

A father and son whose Iowa-based egg production company caused a massive 2010 salmonella outbreak can be required to serve jail time for misdemeanor food safety violations, a divided appeals court ruled Wednesday.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:22:07pm

re: #186 Interesting Times

Not bad, but hardly her finest work:

[Embedded content]

…now pardon me while I pour bleach down my browser cache

I think it’s a parody. Poe’s Law of course, but its followers do not seem to be all insane Trumporrhoids.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:22:14pm

re: #196 I Would Prefer Not To

She doesn’t even make sense.

I’m not sure if this woman should be reported to Twitter or to CPS.

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:23:16pm

re: #194 Brian J.

Fair enough, but his tax returns aren’t relevant to anything anymore. Sanders lost despite the advantage of concealing his finances, along with his many other advantages. Not really much of a candidate, and that’s why it’s so galling to have Hillary making any kind of platform or program concession to this prick.

oh, i agree, they arent relevant. it’s just for framing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:23:17pm
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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:23:43pm

re: #196 I Would Prefer Not To

She doesn’t even make sense.

Gods work. It’s mysterious. In so many ways. She likes the beach. Probably because the sand is white. Gods will. See?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:24:13pm

re: #199 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m not sure if this woman should be reported to Twitter or to CPS.

Hasn’t been the same since Kanye took the Grammy from Prussian Blue.

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KingKenrod  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:24:17pm

I don’t know how Ivanka could get on any state ballots; she won’t be eligible for President until she turns 35 just a couple of days before the election.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:25:02pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

“He’s not a witch”

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:25:04pm

re: #193 dangerman

a while back IRL i suggested he might pick himself.

I still like my idea of Trump having his own body parts be the POTUS and VPOTUS nominees.

Anus/Mouth 2016 or Mouth/Anus 2016 remains undecidable.

Anus/Penis 2016 or Penis/Anus 2016 remains undecidable.

Fixed it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:25:09pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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Such warm, glowing testimonials from his loved ones./

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:25:32pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:25:50pm

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

I think it’s a parody. Poe’s Law of course, but its followers do not seem to be all insane Trumporrhoids.

I am not sure. Her blog makes me think she’s a true believer.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:25:58pm

re: #204 KingKenrod

I don’t know how Ivanka could get on any state ballots; she won’t be eligible for President until she turns 35 just a couple of days before the election.

As long as she turns 35 by January 20, 2017, she is good.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:26:16pm

re: #202 nines09

Gods work. It’s mysterious. In so many ways. She likes the beach. Probably because the sand is white. Gods will. See?

Someone should send her a picture of a beach having black sand.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:26:38pm

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

As long as she turns 35 by January 20, 2017, she is good.

If her father can get on a ballot, anybody can get on a ballot.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:26:40pm

So, it’s UFC “fight week”, the biggest week in bloodsports.

3 days of fighting in Las Vegas.

Mega-betting, millions in PPV buys, in watching cable TV, etc.

The UFC itself may have been sold for $4.2B - the details are still shady.

This is a company that was bought for a couple of million dollars by a pair of gambling industry brothers. That’s a 2000x increase in value.

Because this is America, and we love bloodshed.

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Jay C  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:27:02pm

re: #206 EPR-radar

I still like my idea of Trump having his own body parts be the POTUS and VPOTUS nominees.

Anus/Mouth 2016 or Mouth/Anus 2016 remains undecidable.

Or indistinguishable.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:29:45pm

re: #213 freetoken

UFC is too young and profitable a sport to talk about brain trauma yet.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:29:57pm

Kentucky taxpayers can thank their lucky stars they gave over tax credits/incentives to this shitshow of stupidity. Not like they’ve got anything more important to do with tax funds.

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Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:31:02pm

re: #216 lawhawk

I never knew that Noah had a crane.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:31:06pm

re: #189 jaunte

Trump being less self-centered and thinking of others? Ben Carson is delusional.

Trump’s only perception of other human beings is their money, and he only thinks about others in the context to trying to swindle as much of that money into his tiny hands as possible.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:31:10pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:31:49pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:32:26pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

I never knew that Noah had a crane.

A pair of them…Read your Bible.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:32:28pm

Sorry, didn’t mean to post that twice. Pasted the wrong thing.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:33:16pm

re: #215 jaunte

UFC is too young and profitable a sport to talk about brain trauma yet.

MMA fighters will suffer like boxers, given that striking is such a big part of MMA. MMA fighters, the major ones, fight less than the low-ranking boxers of decades ago, who fought a lot. Still, getting struck in the head repeatedly will have a toll.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:33:40pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

It absolutely was a straight up execution, and you have to wonder what would have happened but for the presence of bystander videos? That the officers would have claimed the shooting in self defense, or that the guy reached for a gun? Or some other justification for killing the man?

Even with this video, I still wonder whether the officers will be indicted, let alone convicted or sentenced to a lengthy prison sentence. Far too few of these officer-involved shooting cases end up with convictions and lengthy prison sentences.

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Interesting Times  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:35:10pm

re: #209 Timothy Watson

I am not sure. Her blog makes me think she’s a true believer.

I thought parody at first when I saw the sandwich tweet GDF posted, but after reading her timeline (as much as I could stomach)…I mean, parody usually makes at least an attempt to be over-the-top in a funny way, as opposed to just plain vicious (perhaps I’m naive, but I don’t see how you could keep up such a stream of hate unless you believe it at some level…)

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:36:13pm

re: #225 Interesting Times

I thought parody at first when I saw the sandwich tweet GDF posted, but after reading her timeline (as much as I could stomach)…I mean, parody usually makes at least an attempt to be over-the-top in a funny way, as opposed to just plain vicious (perhaps I’m naive, but I don’t see how you could keep up such a stream of hate unless you believe it at some level…)

If you can’t tell, it doesn’t make any difference.

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austin_blue  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:37:13pm

re: #224 lawhawk

It absolutely was a straight up execution, and you have to wonder what would have happened but for the presence of bystander videos? That the officers would have claimed the shooting in self defense, or that the guy reached for a gun? Or some other justification for killing the man?

Even with this video, I still wonder whether the officers will be indicted, let alone convicted or sentenced to a lengthy prison sentence. Far too few of these officer-involved shooting cases end up with convictions and lengthy prison sentences.

If this video doesn’t do it, nothing will. It’s like saying Rodney King wasn’t assaulted:

“Who are you going to believe, a police officer’s sworn testimony or your lying eyes?”

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:38:05pm

re: #211 EPR-radar

Someone should send her a picture of a beach having black sand.

Black Lava. The work of the Debble.

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:40:51pm

re: alton sterling

can someone save me the research.

was he handcuffed or “restrained” /held down?

while , no, i dont think it matters, i’m preparing for the onslaught

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:40:51pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:41:35pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

I never knew that Noah had a crane.

Or insulation

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:41:40pm

re: #230 Jenner7

So he’s selling signs now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:42:20pm

re: #224 lawhawk

It absolutely was a straight up execution, and you have to wonder what would have happened but for the presence of bystander videos? That the officers would have claimed the shooting in self defense, or that the guy reached for a gun? Or some other justification for killing the man?

Even with this video, I still wonder whether the officers will be indicted, let alone convicted or sentenced to a lengthy prison sentence. Far too few of these officer-involved shooting cases end up with convictions and lengthy prison sentences.

Mayor there is already saying he was armed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:42:38pm

So according to the crazy lady vagina ham sandwich tweeter, she’s essentially saying she made her daughter get FGM.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:42:48pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Or insulation

The ancient Egyptians invented Tyvek, follow-on to papyrus.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:43:19pm

re: #216 lawhawk

Kentucky taxpayers can thank their lucky stars they gave over tax credits/incentives to this shitshow of stupidity. Not like they’ve got anything more important to do with tax funds.

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:44:01pm

re: #235 Decatur Deb

The ancient Egyptians invented Tyvek, follow-on to papyrus.

Fake dinosaurs will convince me it’s not fake. That’s all I need to see.

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danarchy  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:46:11pm

re: #229 dangerman

re: alton sterling

can someone save me the research.

was he handcuffed or “restrained” /held down?

while , no, i dont think it matters, i’m preparing for the onslaught

He had just been tackled. one cop was on his legs the other had his knee on his chest. I think in the video you can hear one of the cops yell “he has a gun!” and then the other draws his gun and says something like “if you move a fucking inch I will shoot you”

Then there was a gunshot and the person holding the cell phone moves and you can’t see the rest, but hear a couple more shots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:47:46pm

re: #236 jaunte

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It needs a Lido deck…

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:48:00pm

re: #238 danarchy

He had just been tackled. one cop was on his legs the other had his knee on his chest. I think in the video you can hear one of the cops “yell he has a gun!” and then the ther draws his gun and says something like “if you move a fucking inch I will shoot you”

Then there was a gunshot and the person holding the cell phone moves and you can’t see the rest, but hear a couple more shots.

thanx

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:48:24pm

Corker Out

According to the Washington Post’s Robert Costa, Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) has taken his name out of consideration to serve as Trump’s veep. He was what we would call in the technical lingo the only normal pol currently being considered.
talkingpointsmemo.com

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:48:25pm

re: #237 nines09

Fake dinosaurs will convince me it’s not fake. That’s all I need to see.

They need Kim Davis to break a bottle of Welch’s best at the christening.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:50:30pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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Ok, so we know what this woman has in common with Roger Ailes.

Both of them think young women are just pieces of meat…

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:51:25pm

“…In the video showing the police shooting of Alton Sterling, the police officers’ stated reason for opening fire is clear: Sterling apparently had a gun. Even as two Baton Rouge, Louisiana, police officers held Sterling down, they apparently saw the gun as a grave enough threat to their lives — and they opened fire.

But Louisiana is an open carry and concealed carry state, meaning residents are legally allowed to carry firearms. So why was Sterling’s alleged possession of a firearm reason enough to shoot him?”
vox.com

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:54:03pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

They need Kim Davis to break a bottle of Welch’s best at the christening.

Or fall off the podium as she swings it. Wait. Did they “Christen” the Arc? That was before Jesus. This was Jehovah. He was very angry. Didn’t take no shit. Built them dinosaurs. Liked them. Not people too much. Except for Noah and his crew. What did the dinosaurs eat? I’m ignoring all the other carnivores. But T-Rex? Pretty straight forward eating machine there. “Noah; “Fuck it. Give him the Unicorns.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:55:11pm

jeebus

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:56:07pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Car Thief has a chance of losing his seat. The primary race was close.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:56:57pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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That doesn’t even begin to make sense. They don’t even try anymore.

I am at a loss for words as to how little sense that makes. The usual we’re-not-paying-for-things at least had some sort of logical progression to it. This is just WAHHHHHHHHH WE R BUTTHURT

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:57:08pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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With Trump’s flamboyant buffoonery dominating the news, you could forget that all the lesser buffoons are still in full cry back in Congress.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:57:18pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

They need Kim Davis to break a bottle of Welch’s best at the christening.

Only if she isn’t in jail on another contempt charge.

Kentucky AG nails Kim Davis and anti-LGBT Liberty Counsel for violating Open Records Act

The opinion found that Davis, the Rowan County clerk, and her attorneys with Liberty Counsel improperly refused to turn over public records requested in March by the nonprofit Campaign for Accountability, reported the Courier-Journal.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 1:58:11pm

I see Chuck C. Johnson is already doing what he does, libeling a dead black man.

Whatever Alton Sterling did before he was executed, it does not matter. People like the Rage Furby and his pal Mike Cernovich seem to want a society where police can execute anyone they want for any reason, but especially if they’re not white.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:01:13pm

Primary results:

DARRELL ISSA - REP
61266
48.50%
DOUG APPLEGATE - DEM
60518
47.91%
RYAN GLENN WINGO
4535
3.59%

This is why a large Democratic turnout is important in November.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:03:07pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

But it’s really important to point out that it absolutely had to have been bootleg CDs that he was selling, because somehow that makes the fact that he was killed better or something.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:04:02pm

re: #244 jaunte

But Louisiana is an open carry and concealed carry state, meaning residents are legally allowed to carry firearms. So why was Sterling’s alleged possession of a firearm reason enough to shoot him?”

What part of “Because. he. was. black” do you not understand?

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:04:57pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Darrell Issa calls for government shutdown if Hillary Clinton is not charged t.co pic.twitter.com
— ThinkProgress

OK, well.

/

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:05:16pm

re: #253 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But it’s really important to point out that it absolutely had to have been bootleg CDs that he was selling, because somehow that makes the fact that he was killed better or something.

///

Same statute that calls for street execution for selling loose Marlboros.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:07:53pm

re: #252 freetoken

Primary results:

This is why a large Democratic turnout is important in November.

Those results are just for the San Diego County part of CA-49. The results for the whole district are Issa 84,626 (50.8%), Applegate 75,828 (45.5%), Wingo 6,087 (3.7%). Still pretty bad for a longtime incumbent.

Looking at other districts, David Valadao only got 54% of the vote in the 21st, Steve Knight got just 48.3% in the 25th (and all Republicans combined for 55.6%), Ken Calvert is under 55% in the 42nd, and Dana Rohrabacher’s at 56.6% in the 48th. Good selection of pickup opportunities for California Democrats.

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dangerman  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:08:20pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

I see Chuck C. Johnson is already doing what he does, libeling a dead black man.

Whatever Alton Sterling did before he was executed, it does not matter. People like the Rage Furby and his pal Mike Cernovich seem to want a society where police can execute anyone they want for any reason, but especially if they’re not white.

weren’t like the last 5 or so white male mass shooters all caught alive?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:09:02pm

According to the Daily Beast, Joni Ernst has also declined the honor. She has not recommended nominating the Trump family dog.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:09:14pm

re: #99 KGxvi

Cheney was a Texas resident until the committee he led decided he was the best choice to be Bush’s running mate in 2000, he changed his residency to Wyoming and all was good. One of the Trumps would just have to change their residency to Florida or wherever. Technically, the president and vice-president cannot be from the same state.

Cheney did have Wyoming backstory:

” In 1978, Cheney was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives representing Wyoming’s At-large congressional district from 1979 to 1989; he was reelected five times, briefly serving as House Minority Whip in 1989.”

en.wikipedia.org

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:11:59pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

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Trump is WW3 waiting to happen.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:12:03pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

Well if anything would help insure a Clinton win, shutting down the Government would be the way to go. Hell, it might even help us win back both the House AND the Senate.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:12:51pm

re: #260 BeenHereAwhile

Cheney did have Wyoming backstory:

” In 1978, Cheney was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives representing Wyoming’s At-large congressional district from 1979 to 1989; he was reelected five times, briefly serving as House Minority Whip in 1989.”

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah I didn’t have a problem with this. His identifying with Wyoming for the purpose of the election, that is.

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:12:53pm

re: #262 Bubblehead II

Well if anything would help insure a Clinton win, shutting down the Government would be the way to go. Hell, it might even help us win back both the House AND the Senate.

What are they trying, getting a one-digit result for the GOP in general?

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nines09  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:13:28pm

re: #261 MsJ

Trump is WW3 waiting to happen.

He’s sure it would be a “winner”. Money maker for sure. Those who can’t see the opportunity? Sad!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:13:55pm

Predictable trolls are predictable, sigh.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:14:10pm

re: #257 Brian J.

Yes. But his San Diego portion has many gov’t employees and retirees, and the more Issa goes on about shutting down gov’t, the more blowback he’ll get.

Issa didn’t even get 51% in the primary.

I expect the race to be a close one.

In the 2014 general election Issa got 60% of the vote:
That year in the primary he got almost 62% of the primary vote:

So I propose that Issa may be in trouble.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:15:05pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:15:25pm

re: #236 jaunte

So how many hundreds of years would it have taken Noah to build something like this using hand tools?

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:16:43pm

Sigh. Another black body and two more cops who will get away with it. I can’t watch the new video.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:17:13pm

re: #267 freetoken

Yes. But his San Diego portion has many gov’t employees and retirees, and the more Issa goes on about shutting down gov’t, the more blowback he’ll get.

Issa didn’t even get 51% in the primary.

I expect the race to be a close one.

In the 2014 general election Issa got 60% of the vote: [Embedded content]

So I propose that Issa may be in trouble.

I’m sure you’re right; in fact, I’d say it’s better than 50-50 that Issa will lose. I just wanted to check the numbers, because I knew it was close, but not THAT close.

By the way, with less than 9000 ballots left to count, Clinton is still winning the Democratic primary by 371,579 votes or 7.3%. But I’m sure things will turn around, Sanders, you asshat.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:17:53pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

Creationists debate that sort of thing. From the ages of the characters in the story, it appears as if 60 years or so is what the story implies. Others say 120 years.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:17:53pm
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Nyet  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:18:00pm

re: #253 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Now, that’s another meaning of copyright fascism.

half-/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:18:54pm

re: #274 Nyet

Now, that’s another meaning of copyright fascism.

half-/

Aren’t you just amused? It’s so funny how the media keeps hiding this very important fact! Clearly the best part about this whole story.

//

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:19:20pm

re: #264 Teukka

What are they trying, getting a one-digit result for the GOP in general?

Sounds like it. Spouting off about shutting down the Government 5 months before the general sure isn’t going to earn him any brownie points with the voters or his own parties leadership.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:19:25pm

re: #191 Timothy Watson

Reminds me of stuff I read about the Bay of Pigs invasion: British intelligence warned the United States that there was no popular support for a revolt against Castro, particularly in the area where the invasion was going to be launched, but JFK et al. didn’t bother to listen.

They should have gone with the LSD in the broadcast booth scheme.

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danarchy  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:19:29pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

So how many hundreds of years would it have taken Noah to build something like this using hand tools?

Eh, didn’t they live longer back then…you know if you believe Methuselah lived to almost 1000 years old, then where’s the problem.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:20:56pm

You know what is the difference between Donald Trump and Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho?

Camacho had the self-awareness to realize that he was dumb, and he wanted to get A Smart Person (Not Sure) to be his advisor.

Trump thinks he is the smartest person who ever lived and will never acknowledge that anyone can be smarter than he is.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:21:13pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I think they could but they’d have to vacate NY’s EVs.

Which they are going to lose anyway. :-)

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wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:21:41pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:21:48pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

I look at that picture of Eric Trump and all I can think is, “He’s run himself over magnificently in the Slamming of The Car Door!”

Upper Class Twit of the Year - Monty Python’s The Flying Circus

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Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:21:57pm

Can you guess which movie says f**k the most? (Quiz)

I f**king failed, this f**king quiz, and only got 3 f**king questions correct. WTF

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:22:42pm

re: #278 danarchy

They didn’t have Obamacare and death panels. Or FEMA camps.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:23:06pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:23:06pm
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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:25:14pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Predictable trolls are predictable, sigh.

Which is why we get to down ding and bury their sorry ass posts

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:26:11pm

re: #286 Dave In Austin

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I reported Jennifer. Reporting is the reason I signed up for the service.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:26:54pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

We’re seriously in a world where Turmp’s daughter who has never held any elected office and is just barely eligible to run is seriously being floated as a VP candidate? You know what have it your way GOP. Continue to live in fantasy world where there’s nothing wrong with your party.

And couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in the primary so she could vote for her daddy.

This is an elaborate scam. All this trump bullshit…it has to be an elaborate scam. Like the Cracked video I watched the other day (in the Featured Pages).

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:26:55pm

The game warden and county animal control are here right now to deal with an injured deer that wandered into my yard and collapsed about an hour ago. She appears to have been hit by a car. They have decided to euthanize her right on the spot. It can’t be helped but this is a very sorry turn of events.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:28:50pm

Chuck Todd is getting schooled by a guy by the name of Abbe Lowell (former House of Reps council) who represents folks on classified information cases. Even though Chuck is trying hard to break his thinking Lowell is not deterred.

His basic take is Hillary did not knowingly put the information in emails into the hands of anyone outside the state department network. All the emails were to staff and others intended to receive the information. That kills any thought of her being criminally reckless with the info

He mentions the Petraeus case being totally different because the Petraeus info did get into the hands of outside the loop people…his girlfriend who also happened to be a journalist as well as others.

He had some other good stuff too. Hopefully there will be more such reasonable takes to outweigh all the GOP outrage…as displayed by Jason Chaffetz who was on just prior to Lowell.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:29:53pm

re: #170 I Would Prefer Not To

Jennifer seems nice

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More like the left picture previously noted.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:30:29pm

re: #286 Dave In Austin

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It is so unfair that now his family not only has to grieve their loved one, they also have to justify his right to exist to the government sworn to protect them, and to people like this who will probably be stocked on a “jury of peers” should this case somehow get to a trial. This stupid racist hick (the nicest thing I could say) will never know what it is like to have to justify her existence, or her family’s, to someone who thinks they are not real Americans worthy of our rights and protections.

I have to walk away from these people because they bring out the absolute worst thoughts in me.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:30:45pm

re: #285 I Would Prefer Not To

That’s a good one. Be sure to tweet it.

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Jay C  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:32:06pm

re: #262 Bubblehead II

Well if anything would help insure a Clinton win, shutting down the Government would be the way to go. Hell, it might even help us win back both the House AND the Senate.

Especially shutting down the government over bullshit like this. The public MIGHT put up with a shutdown over the budget (something we’ve sadly gotten used to) - but over wingnut woo-woo like “indict Hillary or else”??

C’mon: eventually someone is going to have take governing seriously.
I hope.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:33:36pm

re: #291 ObserverArt

Chuck Todd is getting schooled by a guy by the name of Abbe Lowell (former House of Reps council) who represents folks on classified information cases. Even though Chuck is trying hard to break his thinking Lowell is not deterred.

His basic take is Hillary did not knowingly put the information in emails into the hands of anyone outside the state department network. All the emails were to staff and others intended to receive the information. That kills any thought of her being criminally reckless with the info

He mentions the Petraeus case being totally different because the Petraeus info did get into the hands of outside the loop people…his girlfriend who also happened to be a journalist as well as others.

He had some other good stuff too. Hopefully there will be more such reasonable takes to outweigh all the GOP outrage…as displayed by Jason Chaffetz who was on just prior to Lowell.

That’s good. Wolf B. was just trying to hammer HRC to win points and Conn. Senator Murphy did a good job responding; but Wolf would just ask the same question over and over: “but she’s basically guilty, right?” Wolf Blitzer sucks.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:34:24pm

re: #250 Bubblehead II

If God wanted those people to see those records He would have given those records to them. We can’t flout God’s Will!

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Jay C  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:38:31pm

re: #283 Dr. Matt

Can you guess which movie says f**k the most? (Quiz)

I f**king failed, this f**king quiz, and only got 3 f**king questions correct. WTF

I only got 7 out 10.. F**kin genius me, I guess…..

(PS: the margin of f-bomb was pretty close in some of those choices: two or three: I guess you can be forgiven for missing a couple. That is, if you give a f**k….)

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:38:50pm

re: #296 Barefoot Grin

That’s good. Wolf B. was just trying to hammer HRC to win points and Conn. Senator Murphy did a good job responding; but Wolf would just ask the same question over and over: “but she’s basically guilty, right?” Wolf Blitzer sucks.

I don’t understand this… I mean, report the story and the report for sure. But why the clear urgency to smear Hillary on a daily basis as an evil, reckless liar? They must realize they are not immune to a Trump presidency just because they are Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer. In fact they (CNN and MSNBC) will probably be the first in line for the libel suits come the Trumpening. You think they’d be interested in saving their phony baloney jobs.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:39:40pm

Another video of the Baton Rouge cop shooters, courtesy the Daily Beast: this one taken by the store owner. (WARNING: Graphic Content)

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:40:56pm

re: #283 Dr. Matt

you guess which movie says f**k the most? (Quiz)

I f**king failed, this f**king quiz, and only got 3 f**king questions correct. WTF

I only got 5 right. What the fuck do I know?

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:41:17pm

re: #299 InfidelOfFreedom

I don’t understand this… I mean, report the story and the report for sure. But why the clear urgency to smear Hillary on a daily basis as an evil, reckless liar? They must realize they are not immune to a Trump presidency just because they are Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer. In fact they (CNN and MSNBC) will probably be the first in line for the libel suits come the Trumpening. You think they’d be interested in saving their phony baloney jobs.

The voters are dumb enough to tune into the horse-race narrative and sell advertising time, but smart enough to rescue us from the horrific prospect of an actual Trump presidency once all of the chips are down.

Threading the needle like this is a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ‘em.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:41:21pm

re: #299 InfidelOfFreedom

If Trump becomes President they’ll be happy to receive libel suits. I regard Trump as capable of doing much worse when given that much power.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:42:39pm

re: #299 InfidelOfFreedom

I don’t understand this… I mean, report the story and the report for sure. But why the clear urgency to smear Hillary on a daily basis as an evil, reckless liar? They must realize they are not immune to a Trump presidency just because they are Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer. In fact they (CNN and MSNBC) will probably be the first in line for the libel suits come the Trumpening. You think they’d be interested in saving their phony baloney jobs.

Absolutely. With the hiring of Trump surrogates and the uneven coverage of Hillary, it seems to me that CNN is playing a dangerous game.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:43:12pm

re: #299 InfidelOfFreedom

I don’t understand this… I mean, report the story and the report for sure. But why the clear urgency to smear Hillary on a daily basis as an evil, reckless liar? They must realize they are not immune to a Trump presidency just because they are Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer. In fact they (CNN and MSNBC) will probably be the first in line for the libel suits come the Trumpening. You think they’d be interested in saving their phony baloney jobs.

The election is still more than one quarter away. Meanwhile, advertising time must be sold during political horse race coverage.

So the mainstream media isn’t about to start telling this story like it is (i.e., Hillary Clinton vs. Fuckface VonClownstick) because that would make the advertising rates go down.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:44:43pm

re: #304 Barefoot Grin

Absolutely. With the hiring of Trump surrogates and the uneven coverage of Hillary, it seems to me that CNN is playing a dangerous game.

It’s an updated version of the old Marxist line: “The capitalist will sell you the rope you use to make a noose for him”.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:45:08pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:45:16pm

re: #304 Barefoot Grin

Absolutely. With the hiring of Trump surrogates and the uneven coverage of Hillary, it seems to me that CNN is playing a dangerous game.

But then, so is Hillary with her cowering in the face of Sanders. If I wanted a hardline socialist platform, I’d have voted for Sanders!

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451_Montag  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:45:31pm

re: #261 MsJ

Trump is WW3 waiting to happen.

But it will be the biggliest and most killiest war of all. So many people will be dead that they will be bored of being dead. Let me tell you, it’ll be a much better war than crooked Hillary’s war

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:46:10pm

re: #300 Eric The Fruit Bat

So he wasn’t even the guy who was causing the disturbance. I’m furious about this.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:46:33pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

The election is still more than one quarter away. Meanwhile, advertising time must be sold during political horse race coverage.

So the mainstream media isn’t about to start telling this story like it is (i.e., Hillary Clinton vs. Fuckface VonClownstick) because that would make the advertising rates go down.

The problem is losing long time viewers. I turn off the TV everytime Hugh Hewitt comes on MSNBC. The man can not discuss Hillary without bringing up Benghazi, Libya, Syria… It’s the same BS talking points. When the election is over Liberals are not coming back to MSNBC or CNN. Enjoy your profits now.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:46:39pm

Charity to charity money laundering.

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Nyet  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:47:04pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

It’s an updated version of the old Marxist line: “The capitalist will sell you the rope you use to make a noose for him”.

In capitalist countries man exploits man.

Luckily, in socialist countries it’s exactly the opposite!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:47:21pm

re: #308 Brian J.

But then, so is Hillary with her cowering in the face of Sanders. If I wanted a hardline socialist platform, I’d have voted for Sanders!

I agree. And I think we’ve already begun to see this and will continue to see a more forceful presentation of her platform leading up to the convention.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:47:52pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

The election is still more than one quarter away. Meanwhile, advertising time must be sold during political horse race coverage.

So the mainstream media isn’t about to start telling this story like it is (i.e., Hillary Clinton vs. Fuckface VonClownstick) because that would make the advertising rates go down.

So they’re selling us “Russian Roulette for Democracy” and hoping the gun is full of blanks. Thanks guys. Too bad that ad money will be worthless when Donald decides to default on our debt, but hey no biggie!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:47:52pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

But what about the Clinton Foundation??

(You know it’s coming)

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:48:43pm

I want to follow up on a statement I made last night: My Facebook feed had not yet blown up concerning the FBI’s announcement on Mrs. Clinton. That lasted for about 2 hours; by the time I went to bed, I had half a dozen posts on the subject, and this morning I had to wade through a veritable sewer of right-wing derp about David Petraeus, Loretta Lynch, and (most abominably) I LET MRS. CLINTON OFF BECAUSE I DIDN’T WANT HER TO KILL ME!!!! Sigh. It’s not always very fun to be a former wingnut. How go things among the lizardfolk?

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:49:03pm

re: #308 Brian J.

But then, so is Hillary with her cowering in the face of Sanders. If I wanted a hardline socialist platform, I’d have voted for Sanders!

I fail to see how having open primaries for the Democratic party is hard line socialism.

But then again I never really did feel the bern, so I’m probably missing something here. //

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:49:11pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

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Charity to charity money laundering.

“Put up or shut up”

nahhhh

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:49:17pm

re: #300 Eric The Fruit Bat

Another video of the Baton Rouge cop shooters, courtesy the Daily Beast: this one taken by the store owner. (WARNING: Graphic Content)

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If you watched the vid, you’ll notice the officer had to remove the gun FROM his pocket.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:49:22pm

re: #308 Brian J.

But then, so is Hillary with her cowering in the face of Sanders. If I wanted a hardline socialist platform, I’d have voted for Sanders!

I don’t think it’s cowering at all. While some of Sanders supporters are clearly nuts, there are a lot of people who believe in his ideals. Most of us (and I include myself even if I never was a Sanders supporter) believe in healthcare for all and being able to get an education without going into a lifelong servitude of repayment. Most of the people like me, however, know that Sanders was completely full of shit in that none of what he is touting has even a modicum of a chance at getting implemented…his whole Build It And They Will Bow To My Awesome Will bullshit is just that, bullshit.

But there are a lot of Dems who believe that…and that is hardly cowering. There’s balance and reality. That is the fine line Hillary has to walk.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:50:16pm

re: #321 MsJ

“Fuck you and the horse you rode in on” is the approach I’d take, but there’s a reason I’m not running for position of leadership.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:50:51pm

re: #318 EPR-radar

I fail to see how having open primaries for the Democratic party is hard line socialism.

But then again I never really did feel the bern, so I’m probably missing something here. //

I’m not referring to that, which appears to have been mercifully rejected. I’m referring to conceding his excessive $15/ hour minimum wage proposal, and his free-college giveaway, and all the other concessions he’s demanded. He shouldn’t have gotten anything but his ass in a sling given his consistent refusal to help her or any other Democrat.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:51:13pm

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

But what about the Clinton Foundation??

(You know it’s coming)

They released their records.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:51:42pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

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gwangung  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:52:12pm

re: #321 MsJ

I don’t think it’s cowering at all. While some of Sanders supporters are clearly nuts, there are a lot of people who believe in his ideals. Most of us (and I include myself even if I never was a Sanders supporter) believe in healthcare for all and being able to get an education without going into a lifelong servitude of repayment. Most of the people like me, however, know that Sanders was completely full of shit in that none of what he is touting has even a modicum of a chance at getting implemented…his whole Build It And They Will Bow To My Awesome Will bullshit is just that, bullshit.

But there are a lot of Dems who believe that…

Well, about 45%.

Dunno about you, but I’d think it ‘s worth it to placate that segmen

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:52:18pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

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Charity to charity money laundering.

Oh yea, Eric, perfectly reasonable. Except, how ‘bout maybe if you want anonymity DON’T RUN FOR PRESIDENT you moronic rotten human imposters.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:52:19pm

re: #321 MsJ

I don’t think it’s cowering at all. While some of Sanders supporters are clearly nuts, there are a lot of people who believe in his ideals. Most of us (and I include myself even if I never was a Sanders supporter) believe in healthcare for all and being able to get an education without going into a lifelong servitude of repayment. Most of the people like me, however, know that Sanders was completely full of shit in that none of what he is touting has even a modicum of a chance at getting implemented…his whole Build It And They Will Bow To My Awesome Will bullshit is just that, bullshit.

But there are a lot of Dems who believe that…and that is hardly cowering. There’s balance and reality. That is the fine line Hillary has to walk.

His bullshit is bullshit, and we all know it’s bullshit, so why are we agreeing to try to pass his bullshit without an actual non-bullshit plan!?! Especially since, thanks to his draining hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions and months of the primary schedule, actually winning control of Congress is now quite unlikely.

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:52:36pm

re: #244 jaunte

Because open carry, just like stand your ground, only applies to white men. Anyone else tries it, they’re just targets.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:54:39pm

re: #322 Testy Toad T

“Fuck you and the horse you rode in on” is the approach I’d take, but there’s a reason I’m not running for position of leadership.

Honestly, I would love a little of that. YOU LOST. You had NO path to victory at any stage. Get over yourself.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:55:00pm

re: #329 William Lewis

Cleveland and Ohio have open carry, and yet Cleveland cops killed Tamir Rice within moments of showing up in the park where Rice was playing. They never gave him a chance to respond to direction. They shot and killed him.

For playing with a toy gun.

In an open carry state.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:55:13pm

re: #328 Brian J.

His bullshit is bullshit, and we all know it’s bullshit, so why are we agreeing to try to pass his bullshit without an actual non-bullshit plan!?! Especially since, thanks to his draining hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions and months of the primary schedule, actually winning control of Congress is now quite unlikely.

I think you’re over emphasizing the importance of the party platform here. I see it as more useful as a guide to what the party values and less a blueprint for what the party actually thinks they’re going to accomplish in the next four years.

Just my two cents.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:57:15pm

re: #331 lawhawk

John Crawford, same deal. Never had a chance.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:57:19pm

re: #330 MsJ

Honestly, I would love a little of that. YOU LOST. You had NO path to victory at any stage. Get over yourself.

I am happy to aim it at Sanders. I do not want to aim it at those sympathetic to his dead candidacy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:57:58pm

re: #324 Stanley Sea

We all know that. But the sociopathic Trump supporters could care less.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:58:30pm

re: #323 Brian J.

I’m not referring to that, which appears to have been mercifully rejected. I’m referring to conceding his excessive $15/ hour minimum wage proposal, and his free-college giveaway, and all the other concessions he’s demanded. He shouldn’t have gotten anything but his ass in a sling given his consistent refusal to help her or any other Democrat.

You think a $15 minimum wage is excessive? Adjusted for inflation it is almost exactly where the minimum wage was set at the last increase…which was, what…the 80s? I won’t get into the whole college thing but I think there are things that could be done to give more people opportunity for higher education without putting them tens of thousands of dollars in debt before they even start their self-supporting lives.

You can’t simply dismiss it.

$15 an hour will help lift all wages. A more educated population is one that can complete globally. It’s not all pie-in-the-sky. Bernie’s plan was, but the concepts are not.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:58:59pm

re: #332 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think you’re over emphasizing the importance of the party platform here. I see it as more useful as a guide to what the party values and less a blueprint for what the party actually thinks they’re going to accomplish in the next four years.

Just my two cents.

yes, but the platform will be held against you by the other party. If the Democrats are not excited about a $15 min wage they should leave it off the platform. Why have something that only serves as ammunition for your enemies?

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 2:59:46pm

re: #326 gwangung

Well, about 45%.

Dunno about you, but I’d think it ‘s worth it to placate that segmen

I don’t want them placated…I would like to see action to lift up the entire country.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:00:02pm

re: #336 MsJ

You can’t simply dismiss it.

$15 an hour will help lift all wages. A more educated population is one that can complete globally. It’s not all pie-in-the-sky. Bernie’s plan was, but the concepts are not.

We should not cut off our policy nose to spite our face. I am not interested in excluding a point of policy from the Democratic Party platform because it is somehow tainted by Sanders yuckiness.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:00:32pm

re: #332 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think you’re over emphasizing the importance of the party platform here. I see it as more useful as a guide to what the party values and less a blueprint for what the party actually thinks they’re going to accomplish in the next four years.

Just my two cents.

The reason that Trumpy Dumpy is infesting the (R) side of the ballot is that Republican politicians, in thrall to the extreme wing of the party, kept making promises and platform commitments that were, as the FBI says, grossly negligent- they knew that they couldn’t be kept under our current system of government, and especially without the White House and control of Congress. I used to be a Republican until 2013- the government shutdown, for reasons not worth going into right now, convinced me that the party was in the wrong. And I live in a state whose governor (until the end of last year) was the personification of this process.

So I hope you can understand why I consider it such a bad idea to make these kinds of pie-in-the-sky promises without a plan to follow through, or without the intention to do so. I hate to see Hillary falling prey to nice-sounding slogans like McCain and Romney did.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:00:39pm

re: #325 lawhawk

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:01:05pm

Normally I would never EVER recommend anything from Twitchy but these are not normal times==>

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:02:00pm

re: #340 Brian J.

So I hope you can understand why I consider it such a bad idea to make these kinds of pie-in-the-sky promises without a plan to follow through, or without the intention to do so. I hate to see Hillary falling prey to nice-sounding slogans like McCain and Romney did.

“We seek to pass legislation to do X” is very explicitly not a promise to do X. I think our voters (as if any of them even read the party platform) are smart enough to understand this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:02:09pm

And now the grift==>

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:02:10pm

re: #337 I Would Prefer Not To

yes, but the platform will be held against you by the other party. If the Democrats are not excited about a $15 min wage they should leave it off the platform. Why have something that only serves as ammunition for your enemies?

But Democrats as a whole have been pushing for minimum wage increases. This was not something new with Sanders, nor unique to him. Same goes for making college more affordable.

I get the frustration with Bernie, believe me, but to pretend that Hillary winning was a clear-cut rejection of every ideal he espoused is equally stupid. I don’t think I’m the only Lizard who agreed with a lot of what he stood for but ultimately decided I liked Hillary better as a candidate, and I’m not horrified to find that my preferred candidate is able to listen and compromise when the ideals are ones that she can agree with. I think that’s actually a sign of maturity, something that I’ll agree Bernie has been lacking. (Along with some of his more fervent supporters but again, they aren’t the majority.)

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:02:22pm

re: #336 MsJ

$15 an hour will help lift all wages. A more educated population is one that can complete globally. It’s not all pie-in-the-sky. Bernie’s plan was, but the concepts are not.

This is pretty much how I feel. Health care and higher education, specifically, are two invaluable services to which I believe everyone should have access. The exploding costs of both over the last few years have done much to convince me that perhaps we need to do something different compared to the traditional capitalist model.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:02:24pm

re: #336 MsJ

You think a $15 minimum wage is excessive? Adjusted for inflation it is almost exactly where the minimum wage was set at the last increase…which was, what…the 80s? I won’t get into the whole college thing but I think there are things that could be done to give more people opportunity for higher education without putting them tens of thousands of dollars in debt before they even start their self-supporting lives.

You can’t simply dismiss it.

$15 an hour will help lift all wages. A more educated population is one that can complete globally. It’s not all pie-in-the-sky. Bernie’s plan was, but the concepts are not.

That’s a 107% increase from present. That exceeds the median wage in Louisiana. There ain’t no way the state’s employers can handle that much of an increase. The record high for the minimum wage was about $10.60 in current dollars in 1968, with a 4% unemployment rate and hundreds of thousands of young men in Vietnam, and hence a VERY tight labor market. We don’t have that situation now.

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451_Montag  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:02:44pm

No subtext, no hidden meaning, just felt like insulting him

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:04:18pm

re: #337 I Would Prefer Not To

yes, but the platform will be held against you by the other party. If the Democrats are not excited about a $15 min wage they should leave it off the platform. Why have something that only serves as ammunition for your enemies?

Not just the other party but your own. Promise people something and they expect you to deliver.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:07:09pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:07:43pm

re: #350 jaunte

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Gee who could have foreseen this!?

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:09:32pm
SCIUTTO: Now, has Ailes responded to this yet?

STELTER: He has not. It’s been about six hours, five hours that is. Fox has been uncharacteristically silent today. Ailes himself has not commented. The network is not covering this news, of course, coming very close to home. This is a story that could have big ramifications for Fox News because Ailes has been in charge ever since it launched. You could say he rules the network with an iron fist. And he is beloved by a lot of staffers there, but he is not known for being politically correct.

Video

There’s that stupid camouflaging phrase again.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:09:55pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

Normally I would never EVER recommend anything from Twitchy but these are not normal times==>

Wow. Just…wow.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:10:08pm
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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:11:50pm

re: #354 Stanley Sea

Okay, Bernie, you can suspend now.

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sagehen  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:12:07pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

It’s an updated version of the old Marxist line: “The capitalist will sell you the rope you use to make a noose for him”.

“I could hire one half the working class to kill the other half.”
—Jay Gould

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:12:25pm

Anyway, forgive me for failing to freak out. If the concern is keeping the extreme fringes from taking over the party, I’m not actually convinced the far left is organized enough to pull something like that off.

(Actually, that’s a lie: I’m fairly convinced they’re NOT organized enough, not to mention the whole “driven by pure ideals that prevent them from doing something so lowering as joining another political party that they disagree with on a few issues” thing that kept cropping up during this primary.)

I don’t know, maybe my outrage for the day has been exhausted.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:12:38pm

re: #337 I Would Prefer Not To

yes, but the platform will be held against you by the other party. If the Democrats are not excited about a $15 min wage they should leave it off the platform. Why have something that only serves as ammunition for your enemies?

Even if it improves the entire country? Even if it gives people disposable income to buy shit which improves the economy? Even if it helps people not have to decide between food and say drugs?

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with you on this.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:12:41pm

re: #352 jaunte

There’s that stupid camouflaging phrase again.

replace with “treating people with dignity.”

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Shimshon  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:12:49pm

re: #336 MsJ

You think a $15 minimum wage is excessive? Adjusted for inflation it is almost exactly where the minimum wage was set at the last increase…which was, what…the 80s? I won’t get into the whole college thing but I think there are things that could be done to give more people opportunity for higher education without putting them tens of thousands of dollars in debt before they even start their self-supporting lives.

You can’t simply dismiss it.

$15 an hour will help lift all wages. A more educated population is one that can complete globally. It’s not all pie-in-the-sky. Bernie’s plan was, but the concepts are not.

15 an hour is excessive in economically depressed smaller population states. A floor of 12 or so an hour is a great start, allowing bigger cities like NYC and LA to increase as they please.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:13:28pm

re: #345 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But Democrats as a whole have been pushing for minimum wage increases. This was not something new with Sanders, nor unique to him. Same goes for making college more affordable.

I get the frustration with Bernie, believe me, but to pretend that Hillary winning was a clear-cut rejection of every ideal he espoused is equally stupid. I don’t think I’m the only Lizard who agreed with a lot of what he stood for but ultimately decided I liked Hillary better as a candidate, and I’m not horrified to find that my preferred candidate is able to listen and compromise when the ideals are ones that she can agree with. I think that’s actually a sign of maturity, something that I’ll agree Bernie has been lacking. (Along with some of his more fervent supporters but again, they aren’t the majority.)

I really wish I could give you more than one upding for this.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:14:03pm

In any case, I don’t think the GOP was made vulnerable to a charlatan like Trump because they are serial over-promisers. I think it’s largely because they made underpants-gnome-like promises without any sort of disclosed mechanism for achievement. “Repeal and replace” isn’t a cogent policy position, it’s a lump of woo-woo. “Punish Wall Street” is an emotion, not a proposal. “Recreate white industrial jobs by isolationism or magic” is a dream, not a plan.

A minimum wage bill, even a very aggressive one, is a specific thing that Congress would pass and a President would sign, and then it would roll into effect based on the provisions contained therein. I don’t see that wanting this to happen, even if it’s very unlikely in our current climate, will make Democratic voters particularly keen to vote for an appleheaded vagina mouth troll baby fifteen years down the road.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:14:50pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

There are certainly some campaigns that are not about winning. We see that every cycle during presidential elections: Kucinich; Bauer; Santorum; Keyes; Ron Paul. This is actually how first the conservative movement and now the wingularity have shifted the center of the GOP so far to the right. They’ve had generally unserious candidates who are taken seriously enough in the early states that the mainstream candidates have to move right to placate the basest of the base. Had the Democrats had more of a field this year, Sanders would probably have filled this role.

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Shimshon  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:14:55pm

re: #313 Nyet

In capitalist countries man exploits man.

Luckily, in socialist countries it’s exactly the opposite!

In capitalist countries, wealth owners exploit workers for extra toys like vacation homes, cars, jewellery and the like.

In socialist countries, workers exploit owners so they can have things like high standard of living, education and health care.

Both sides are exactly the same.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:14:56pm

re: #357 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Anyway, forgive me for failing to freak out. If the concern is keeping the extreme fringes from taking over the party, I’m not actually convinced the far left is organized enough to pull something like that off.

(Actually, that’s a lie: I’m fairly convinced they’re NOT organized enough, not to mention the whole “driven by pure ideals that prevent them from doing something so lowering as joining another political party that they disagree with on a few issues” thing that kept cropping up during this primary.)

I don’t know, maybe my outrage for the day has been exhausted.

Uh oh. Someone needs to restock klys. Her outrage is on backorder.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:15:00pm

It’s over, Johnny.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:15:24pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

It’s over, Johnny.

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Cue the freakout about Lynch being a friend of the Clintons, or being afraid that they’ll kill her.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:15:39pm

re: #365 thedopefishlives

Uh oh. Someone needs to restock klys. Her outrage is on backorder.

Don’t bother. I’d be tempted to find the off switch for the whole Internet.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:15:50pm
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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:15:54pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

It’s over, Johnny.

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BUT BUT BUT HA GOODMAN SAID :’(

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:16:31pm

re: #362 Testy Toad T

In any case, I don’t think the GOP was made vulnerable to a charlatan like Trump because they are serial over-promisers. I think it’s largely because they made underpants-gnome-like promises without any sort of disclosed mechanism for achievement. “Repeal and replace” isn’t a cogent policy position, it’s a lump of woo-woo. “Punish Wall Street” is an emotion, not a proposal. “Recreate white industrial jobs by isolationism or magic” is a dream, not a plan.

My point exactly. My “friends” jumped off a cliff, but I don’t want to join them.

A minimum wage bill, even a very aggressive one, is a specific thing that Congress would pass and a President would sign, and then it would roll into effect based on the provisions contained therein. I don’t see that wanting this to happen, even if it’s very unlikely in our current climate, will make Democratic voters particularly keen to vote for an appleheaded vagina mouth troll baby fifteen years down the road.

Grant the Sandbaggers one concession, and they don’t give you anything in return; they demand more and more. Just like the Tea Party. The adults of the GOP refused to stand up and say no. I don’t want to see both parties succumb to extremism.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:16:35pm

I sometimes look at Donald’s Tweets to see what kind of shocking garbage he is spewing at the moment. After a few minutes I usually feel sort of dirty. I decided to look at Hillary’s just now, it’s inspirational with actual information and thoughts about what she wants to try to change and make better.

The difference is stark. The difference between a *puckered anus* and a human being.

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:17:02pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

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Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:17:27pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

No, because you’re exactly right.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:17:30pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:17:52pm

re: #368 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Don’t bother. I’d be tempted to find the off switch for the whole Internet.

It’s in Charles’s server closet.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:17:59pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

No, I’d say that’s a pretty reasonable conclusion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:18:03pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

It’s a freaking LOUDSPEAKER TURNED TO 11.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:18:09pm

re: #371 Brian J.

Grant the Sandbaggers one concession, and they don’t give you anything in return; they demand more and more. Just like the Tea Party. The adults of the GOP refused to stand up and say no. I don’t want to see both parties succumb to extremism.

Fuck Sanders, I don’t give a shit about him. This is a concession for the country and I don’t see how you’re not, if not seeing this, at least recognizing the line of thinking.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:18:22pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

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In case there was ever a question as to whether these people are “hiding under the bed” level cowards.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:18:57pm

re: #379 Testy Toad T

Fuck Sanders, I don’t give a shit about him.. This is a concession for the country and I don’t see how you’re not, if not seeing this, at least recognizing the line of thinking.

I thought we’d established that reactionary “I’m against this because you’re for it” politics were shitty for the country.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:19:03pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:19:58pm

<re: #362 Testy Toad T

In any case, I don’t think the GOP was made vulnerable to a charlatan like Trump because they are serial over-promisers. I think it’s largely because they made underpants-gnome-like promises without any sort of disclosed mechanism for achievement. “Repeal and replace” isn’t a cogent policy position, it’s a lump of woo-woo. “Punish Wall Street” is an emotion, not a proposal. “Recreate white industrial jobs by isolationism or magic” is a dream, not a plan.

A minimum wage bill, even a very aggressive one, is a specific thing that Congress would pass and a President would sign, and then it would roll into effect based on the provisions contained therein. I don’t see that wanting this to happen, even if it’s very unlikely in our current climate, will make Democratic voters particularly keen to vote for an appleheaded vagina mouth troll baby fifteen years down the road.

The GOP was made vulnerable to Trump because of the disgusting pandering to bigots and cranks that has become SOP for the party ever since the civil rights realignment (i.e., southern strategy).

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Testy Toad T  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:19:59pm

I’d love to stomp out as if I’m going to take my ball and go home over righteous internet rage, but the actual fact of the matter is I’m done with this task at work and I’m gonna go home and have a beer on the porch.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:20:29pm

re: #384 Testy Toad T

I’d love to stomp out as if I’m going to take my ball and go home over righteous internet rage, but the actual fact of the matter is I’m done with this task at work and I’m gonna go home and have a beer on the porch.

Rum sounds tasty.

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:20:38pm

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

It’s a freaking LOUDSPEAKER TURNED TO 11.

Just checking, y’all know I have tinnitus, right?
*whistles innocently*

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:21:21pm

re: #347 Brian J.

That’s a 107% increase from present. That exceeds the median wage in Louisiana. There ain’t no way the state’s employers can handle that much of an increase. The record high for the minimum wage was about $10.60 in current dollars in 1968, with a 4% unemployment rate and hundreds of thousands of young men in Vietnam, and hence a VERY tight labor market. We don’t have that situation now.

So because nobody bothered to fix what was broken it’s too much to do it? I call bullshit on not being able to handle it. People at the lower end of the spectrum can only work so many jobs before giving up - or getting sick from working three or four jobs only to not have access to healthcare because it’s healthcare or food.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:21:28pm

re: #385 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Rum sounds tasty.

I have a mostly fresh bottle of Jack Daniel’s Honey Whiskey that tastes delightful when mixed with Coke. Sometimes with a splash of vanilla syrup if I’m in the mood.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:22:24pm

re: #381 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I thought we’d established that reactionary “I’m against this because you’re for it” politics were shitty for the country.

$15 is way too high for most of the country; again, that would more than double the minimum wage at a stroke and raise it about 40% higher than ever before (after inflation adjustment). It’s too high to be a plausible bargaining chip; I’m honestly not sure Hillary’s previous proposal of $12 wasn’t too much.

I’m going to vote for Hillary, never fear (although it’s doubtful that it will do any good). It’s just that it’s so frustrating to see my candidate decide not to stand up for herself in this, as she’s done so often in other contexts.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:23:06pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

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This reminds me of when I worked at hotels in downtown STL, and nearly every weekend some “tough guy” would ask if it was safe to walk around the city. Since it was frowned upon to laugh at guests, I opted to inform them that I had lived downtown for 5 years and had never had a problem. Me being a rather not-tough looking young woman, it was usually enough that they got the drift. I got this question quite a bit during the NRA convention for some reason…

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:24:18pm

So, this is happening:

Fox News’ Roger Ailes Sued for Sexual Harassment by Ousted Anchor Gretchen Carlson

The longtime Fox News host says she rebuffed sexual advances and also suffered gender discrimination from ‘Fox & Friends’ co-host Steve Doocy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:24:27pm
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sagehen  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:24:52pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

Dogwhistle? Hell no, that’s a marching band. With extra trumpets.

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BeachDem  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:26:26pm

re: #329 William Lewis

Because open carry, just like stand your ground, only applies to white men. Anyone else tries it, they’re just targets.

Charles P. Pierce :

By the way, for those who will make a point of Sterling’s carrying a gun, which has been reported in a number of places, remember that Louisiana is an open-carry state. If he were armed, then, right up until the moment somebody shot him to death, Alton Sterling was exercising his Second Amendment rights in exactly the way the NRA and its noisy apologists have suggested we all should.

Except that we’re not all black, the true original American Exceptionalism has come home again.

esquire.com

And as Pierce sarcastically says in his continuing coverage of these atrocities, “It’s not about race because it’s never about race.”

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Lidane  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:26:38pm

re: #354 Stanley Sea

Meanwhile, at the RNC:

Epic Donald Duck Rage

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:28:46pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

More like a foghorn through a megaphone.

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teleskiguy  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:30:12pm

I AM SELF-FUNDING MY CAMAPIGN, I AM VERY VERY RICH, BIGLY.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:30:41pm

re: #387 MsJ

So because nobody bothered to fix what was broken it’s too much to do it? I call bullshit on not being able to handle it. People at the lower end of the spectrum can only work so many jobs before giving up - or getting sick from working three or four jobs only to not have access to healthcare because it’s healthcare or food.

I think you’re talking past each other. Brian J isn’t saying that $15/hr is bad. He’s pointing out that in a state like Louisiana where half of wage earners make less than that, it would be a giant shock to the system. And likely, impractical to boot. Hell, California, with our median income over $60,000 (meaning median hourly income is somewhere around $30/hr) isn’t going to get to $15/hr as minimum wage until 2022. A big jump in the minimum wage would likely have an inflationary effect with many retail/restaurants raising prices to compensate for suddenly much larger overhead - meaning your plan of people having more disposable income goes out the window.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:31:31pm

re: #397 teleskiguy

Billionaire in the house, rummaging through the sofa cushions for change.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:31:32pm
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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:31:35pm

re: #385 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Rum sounds tasty.

Crown Royal.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:31:40pm

Dear god.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:32:00pm

re: #389 Brian J.

$15 is way too high for most of the country; again, that would more than double the minimum wage at a stroke and raise it about 40% higher than ever before (after inflation adjustment). It’s too high to be a plausible bargaining chip; I’m honestly not sure Hillary’s previous proposal of $12 wasn’t too much.

I’m going to vote for Hillary, never fear (although it’s doubtful that it will do any good). It’s just that it’s so frustrating to see my candidate decide not to stand up for herself in this, as she’s done so often in other contexts.

Maybe your candidate understands that sometimes, it’s stupid to completely reject everything just because it comes from the campaign she beat.

For fuck’s sake, she’s a woman. If she refused to compromise, the story wouldn’t be how she was being strong and standing up for herself. It would be about how she’s ungracious, a bitch, and doesn’t care about the progressives because she’s beholden to her corporate overlords (playing nicely into the Bernie or Bust narrative there). Instead, she’s cutting the knees out from under them. I don’t think she’s done anything that would set up the hackles of the more reasonable Bernie supporters and her willingness to listen and be open to ideas is probably helping smooth the way for them to vote for her even without Bernie’s endorsement.

Anyway, I obviously can’t tell you not to freak out over this. You can spend your energy how you want to. Mine’s going elsewhere.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:32:43pm

re: #400 The Vicious Babushka

Shouldn’t that be “I put on my oxygen mask first”?

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:33:09pm

re: #402 Jenner7

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Dear god.

“Do a job?” He’s going to pull a Charles C. Johnson?

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:33:55pm

re: #398 KGxvi

I think you’re talking past each other. Brian J isn’t saying that $15/hr is bad. He’s pointing out that in a state like Louisiana where half of wage earners make less than that, it would be a giant shock to the system. And likely, impractical to boot. Hell, California, with our median income over $60,000 (meaning median hourly income is somewhere around $30/hr) isn’t going to get to $15/hr as minimum wage until 2022. A big jump in the minimum wage would likely have an inflationary effect with many retail/restaurants raising prices to compensate for suddenly much larger overhead - meaning your plan of people having more disposable income goes out the window.

I would be perfectly acceptable of a phased in approach. I still do not think $15/hr is excessive.

And thank you. You’re right, we were speaking past each other.

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Lidane  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:34:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:34:33pm

re: #404 EPR-radar

Shouldn’t that be “I put on my oxygen mask first”?

Not if you’re Donald Trump

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:34:53pm

The third picture is creepy as shit

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:34:56pm

re: #398 KGxvi

I think that in the unlikely event that an increase to the minimum wage was passed (let alone to $15 - and mind you, the minimum wage has only gone up three times since I was in high school, all after Obama took office), it would be phased in - probably like it was last time, and the time before that. Like it’s being done in CA and most other places that have voted for it too.

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BeachDem  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:35:33pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

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Did he ask them if they’d walk down a sidewalk in Cincinnati?

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:35:35pm

re: #403 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For fuck’s sake, she’s a woman. If she refused to compromise, the story wouldn’t be how she was being strong and standing up for herself. It would be about how she’s ungracious, a bitch, and doesn’t care about the progressives because she’s beholden to her corporate overlords (playing nicely into the Bernie or Bust narrative there). Instead, she’s cutting the knees out from under them. I don’t think she’s done anything that would set up the hackles of the more reasonable Bernie supporters and her willingness to listen and be open to ideas is probably helping smooth the way for them to vote for her even without Bernie’s endorsement.

Anyway, I obviously can’t tell you not to freak out over this. You can spend your energy how you want to. Mine’s going elsewhere.

I know what you’re saying but goddamn it, I hate having to knuckle under like this. I hate promising things I know we can’t deliver since it’s going to bite us down the line. I hate trying to appease those who’ve made it clear in every possible way that they cannot be appeased, like Jill Stein openly threatening to prosecute Hillary for… who knows?

I guess we’ll just have to close our eyes and hope and pray that this works.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:35:56pm

re: #403 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe your candidate understands that sometimes, it’s stupid to completely reject everything just because it comes from the campaign she beat.

For Clinton to completely reject every idea from the Sanders campaign for no other reason than it came from the Sanders campaign would be gross political incompetence. That’s the kind of thing that could give us Trump in November.

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plansbandc  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:35:57pm

Butthurt. Butthurt EVERYWHERE.

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:36:21pm

re: #408 The Vicious Babushka

Not if you’re Donald Trump

“Oxygen’s for losers!”

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:37:04pm

re: #415 Brian J.

“Oxygen’s for losers!”

“Carbon Dioxide is good for ya!!! 111ty1111!!!”

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:37:45pm

re: #408 The Vicious Babushka

Not if you’re Donald Trump

Putting on someone else’s oxygen mask first is a stupid act of altruism. The stupidity is in-character for Trump, but the altruism certainly is not.

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Lidane  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:37:49pm

Of course:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:37:56pm

re: #412 Brian J.

I know what you’re saying but goddamn it, I hate having to knuckle under like this. I hate promising things I know we can’t deliver since it’s going to bite us down the line. I hate trying to appease those who’ve made it clear in every possible way that they cannot be appeased, like Jill Stein openly threatening to prosecute Hillary for… who knows?

I guess we’ll just have to close our eyes and hope and pray that this works.

She’s not doing this to appease Jill Stein or Bernie.

She’s doing this for the voters who support these concepts, a large number of whom vote Democratic and care passionately about these issues. And those voters do matter. Not just to her but to the party as a whole.

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wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:38:01pm

re: #412 Brian J.

I guess we’ll just have to close our eyes knock on doors and make phone calls and hope and pray that this works.

That’s how it’s done.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:39:24pm

Well, since some folks are talking libations, I’m almost on the outside of 64-oz of Gatorade with 8.3 oz of miralax on top of 4 dulcolax. I’m apparently not going anywhere for awhile.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:39:49pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

We’re talking about Trump. I’m assuming he puts YOUR mask on HIS face, saving his mask for later in case he needs that, too.
He gets all the O2, you go screw.

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BeachDem  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:40:19pm

re: #383 EPR-radar

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The GOP was made vulnerable to Trump because of theTHEY ARE disgusting pandering to bigots and cranks that has become SOP forARE the party ever since the civil rights realignment (i.e., southern strategy).

My take on it. YMMV

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451_Montag  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:40:25pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

Putting on someone else’s oxygen mask first is a stupid act of altruism. The stupidity is in-character for Trump, but the altruism certainly is not.

But you know he’d go around cutting everyone else’s hose so he didn’t run short

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:40:56pm

re: #419 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She’s not doing this to appease Jill Stein or Bernie.

She’s doing this for the voters who support these concepts, a large number of whom vote Democratic and care passionately about these issues. And those voters do matter. Not just to her but to the party as a whole.

Exactly. Keeping the Democratic party together for a presidential election is an exercise in careful cat-herding.

One of Sanders’ biggest disqualifications was the near-certainty that he’d be incapable of doing what it takes to keep the party (mostly) together.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:40:56pm

so basically as of today the trump vp search officially achieved Big Fucking Problem status

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:41:43pm

hahaha

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:42:04pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

Putting on someone else’s oxygen mask first is a stupid act of altruism. The stupidity is in-character for Trump, but the altruism certainly is not.

Trump grabs YOUR oxygen mask to put on HIMSELF, then disables all the other oxygen masks, straps on the only parachute and jumps out leaving the rest of the screaming passengers on the burning, crashing plane.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:43:32pm

re: #428 The Vicious Babushka

Trump grabs YOUR oxygen mask to put on HIMSELF, then disables all the other oxygen masks, straps on the only parachute and jumps out leaving the rest of the screaming passengers on the burning, crashing plane.

I see. It’s a pity that’s too long to put on the bumper sticker.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:43:45pm

re: #358 MsJ

Even if it improves the entire country? Even if it gives people disposable income to buy shit which improves the economy? Even if it helps people not have to decide between food and say drugs?

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with you on this.

15 sounds high to me for the entire country. (I live in NYC where 15 is not enough, but perhaps is OK in MIssissippi). I would like to start with something more realistic (like the 10 that Obama suggested) and phase in higher amounts over the next 5 years.

I also think it makes sense to sound somewhat flexible when writing a platform . Give everyone a little room to negotiate.
But I agree that the min wage MUST go up. If the party is willing to support the 15 bucks per hour, they should put it in the platform. Just be ready to defend it. Backing down is always our worst mistake.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:43:50pm

I see the Chilicot report isn’t taking much grip of the American attention.

Nevertheless, Bloomberg runs with this article:

Iraq Inquiry Shows Oil Was a Consideration for U.K. Before War

The U.K. government held talks with Royal Dutch Shell Plc and BP Plc to ensure British energy companies were “well-placed to pick up contracts in the aftermath” of the invasion of Iraq, according to declassified documents released as part of an official inquiry.

Given that Drumpfskind boasts that he’s going to go into Iraq and take their oil, I suppose Americans don’t really care about how damning the Chilicot report is.

Currently Iraqi oil production is over 4M bpd, but it fluctuates.

Still, that is a whole lot more than one Saddam could export, which I guess was the point of all this mess.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:44:13pm

re: #336 MsJ

Lost in all this talk about the $15 minimum wage is that the change wont be overnight. It will be phased in over time - figure 3-5 years (or more). Stepping up the amount will give businesses time to adapt and pass on costs.

It also means that employees will start to see benefits, but not nearly as fast. They’ll have more disposable income, and rely less on food stamps and other safety net programs to get by.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:44:32pm

re: #410 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think that in the unlikely event that an increase to the minimum wage was passed (let alone to $15 - and mind you, the minimum wage has only gone up three times since I was in high school, all after Obama took office), it would be phased in - probably like it was last time, and the time before that. Like it’s being done in CA and most other places that have voted for it too.

The federal minimum wage is a tricky issue, I think. 29 states have a higher minimum wage than the federal government (though many have tipped wage scales and some are less than a dollar an hour higher than the federal rate). So the question becomes, how do you get people in California or Massachusetts to go along with something that changes nothing for them, while also convincing Alabama and Mississippi (who have no minimum wage) that it won’t turn their local economies into Greece? And that’s before you get into cost of living issues

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:44:46pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:45:06pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

I heard all the way down here in Alabama, over all of the local dogwhistling.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:45:09pm

re: #425 EPR-radar

Exactly. Keeping the Democratic party together for a presidential election is an exercise in careful cat-herding.

One of Sanders’ biggest disqualifications was the near-certainty that he’d be incapable of doing what it takes to keep the party (mostly) together.

Sanders doesn’t give a shit if the party is kept together. He is not part of the party nor does he want to be…nor does he care about the party. He is the Sandbagger. He is the Ted Cruz of the left…it’s his way or the highway.

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:45:49pm

re: #426 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

so basically as of today the trump vp search officially achieved Big Fucking Problem status

The whole Trump campaign is a Big Fucking Problem, so it doesn’t seem like anything has really changed.

I suppose the craven meatheads over at the RNC were hoping for a relatively civilized VP pick, but that really doesn’t matter at this point.

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dharmamark  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:46:30pm

re: #373 Teukka

Am I reading too much into this if I think I hear a dogwhistle?

Totally a dog whistle.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:49:22pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:49:50pm

re: #437 EPR-radar

The whole Trump campaign is a Big Fucking Problem, so it doesn’t seem like anything has really changed.

I suppose the craven meatheads over at the RNC were hoping for a relatively civilized VP pick, but that really doesn’t matter at this point.

Trump Campaign: Disaster Or Clusterfuck?

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Franklin  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:50:26pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:50:48pm

re: #440 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Trump Campaign: Disaster Or Clusterfuck?

Disastrous Clusterfuck, IMO.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:52:03pm

re: #442 Teukka

Disastrous Clusterfuck, IMO.

Disastrous Clusterfuck, Inc.

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Franklin  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:52:21pm

re: #442 Teukka

Disastrous Clusterfuck, IMO.

¿Disusterfuck?

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:52:30pm

So, if Trump’s going to pick his daughter as his VP pick, what do we know about her and her policies?

She has zero experience - the same as her dad on foreign policy/economics/domestic policy.
She has gone along with her dad’s anti-Semitic bigot brigade tactics, which is extremely troubling since she should know better, and doesn’t care because it’s all in pursuit of the core GOP bigot brigade vote.
She doesn’t know anything about governing, but suddenly she’s the perfect VP choice?

No experience. No problem.

That it’ll probably come down to her, Sarah Palin and Newt speaks volumes as to everyone else contemplating their chances in November. No one wants to be associated with a losing effort, but these three don’t think that way.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:53:20pm

re: #440 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Clusterfucking disaster or Disastrous clusterfuck. Why choose. It can be both.

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Lidane  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:53:20pm

re: #436 MsJ

Sanders doesn’t give a shit if the party is kept together. He is not part of the party nor does he want to be…nor does he care about the party. He is the Sandbagger. He is the Ted Cruz of the left…it’s his way or the highway.

Speaking of Ted Cruz, looks like some Cruz delegates are trying to find a way to get Ted’s name into nomination at the RNC. They’re looking for a floor fight, since it only takes the support of delegates from 8 states or territories to nominate someone and Cruz won 10. The plan is to get Cruz nominated from the floor, which would give Cruz a chance to speak at the convention on his own behalf.

It’s exceedingly desperate and Cruz hasn’t signaled that he’s even interested in it at this point, but the #NeverTrump folks are aiming for anything they can hang on to.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:53:56pm

Oh look, Comey was wrong…again.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:54:17pm

re: #441 Franklin

Warm-up speaker at Trump rally near Cincinnati asks crowd if they would walk down a sidewalk in DC or Baltimore on a weekend. Crowd: “Nooo!

do i get to sell the “Vote Trump Cuz Negroes Are Scary” t-shirts and bumperstickers?

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:55:54pm

re: #448 Jenner7

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Oh look, Comey was wrong…again.

It seems that a lot of the Comey stuff was differences in opinion between the two departments. I wouldn’t concentrate too much on him though: He didn’t bring an indictment, and therefore he’s no longer a Republican.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:56:10pm
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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:57:11pm

re: #449 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

do i get to sell the “Vote Trump Cuz Negroes Are Scary” t-shirts and bumperstickers?

Sounds like it’d make a bumper sticker…

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thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:57:13pm

re: #451 Jenner7

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That doesn’t even make sense.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:57:41pm

re: #434 Jenner7

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“And those 10 women are also retaliating!”

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:57:43pm

re: #453 thedopefishlives

That doesn’t even make sense.

Drumpfskind does not require making “sense”.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:58:23pm

re: #433 KGxvi

The federal minimum wage is a tricky issue, I think. 29 states have a higher minimum wage than the federal government (though many have tipped wage scales and some are less than a dollar an hour higher than the federal rate). So the question becomes, how do you get people in California or Massachusetts to go along with something that changes nothing for them, while also convincing Alabama and Mississippi (who have no minimum wage) that it won’t turn their local economies into Greece? And that’s before you get into cost of living issues

I don’t think you’ll have trouble with CA and MA. Both of those states also pay more taxes than they receive in benefits to help states like AL and MS.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:58:38pm

re: #448 Jenner7

Somewhere in between Comey’s version and Clinton’s version is the facts. And they still don’t rise to the level of a crime. The GOP is barking up the wrong tree.

But if the GOP wants to play games about email security, someone should introduce legislation requiring annual security audits for Congressional emails.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:58:49pm

Hahahaha. This is just fantastic.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:59:00pm

So about that Vietnam/dating metaphor…. was Trump ever actually tested for STDs? His incoherence is reaching Syphilitic French Aristocrat heights.

It would also explain the merkin on his head.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 3:59:37pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:01:43pm

re: #460 Stanley Sea

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I think there was a scene in Family Guy where Lois does this with black people she knows. It was much funnier there.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:02:21pm

Oh boy….

What.
A.
Disaster.
This.
Man.
Is.

Follow Ben Jacobs, Trump is a dumpster fire that keeps re-igniting.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:02:26pm

re: #236 jaunte

I see that thing and I think of alternative uses that are less stupid:

- Dance club
- Blimp storage
- Cut portals in it to break the world record for largest rowboat
- One hell of a Viking funeral

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:03:05pm

re: #453 thedopefishlives

That doesn’t even make sense.

Blacks Jews are the REAL racists antisemites!

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:03:10pm

re: #458 Jenner7

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Hahahaha. This is just fantastic.

How is this happening? Because Trump can never let anything go. Ever. He’s like a rabid dog with a bubonic rat in its mouth.

I don’t think I have ever met anyone who is as thin-skinned as he. In meat world. Like…ever.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:03:51pm

re: #440 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Trump Campaign: Disaster Or Clusterfuck?

SNAFU!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:04:00pm

re: #455 freetoken

Drumpfskind does not require making “sense”.

“Stop Making Sense” was better as a Talking Heads song than as a Presidential campaign.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:04:29pm

re: #448 Jenner7

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Oh look, Comey was wrong…again.

Comey never said they were all used simultaneously, this is a misunderstanding on the reporters part. “Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways.” Actual numbers, not in the published statement.

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BeachDem  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:05:02pm

re: #416 Teukka

“Carbon Dioxide is good for ya!!! 111ty1111!!!”

Michele Bachmann (no wingnut font necessary) :

As a matter of fact, carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful!
But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas. There isn’t one such study because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural. It is not harmful. It is part of Earth’s life cycle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:05:34pm

re: #459 InfidelOfFreedom

So about that Vietnam/dating metaphor…. was Trump ever actually tested for STDs? His incoherence is reaching Syphilitic French Aristocrat heights.

It would also explain the merkin on his head.

Ask him to say ‘Methodist Episcopal’. That’s the giveaway.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:05:51pm

Who the fuck cares about Bobby Knight?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:06:17pm

re: #469 BeachDem

And Michele Bachmann is who all good Americans turn to when they wants some good sciencin’.

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MsJ  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:06:43pm

Ciao all…bbiab.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:07:20pm

re: #469 BeachDem

Michele Bachmann (no wingnut font necessary) :

As a matter of fact, carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful!
But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas. There isn’t one such study because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural. It is not harmful. It is part of Earth’s life cycle.

Just convince her somehow that CO2 turns people gay. Problem solved.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:07:39pm

re: #445 lawhawk

She wasn’t even qualified to vote for her own father. Literally.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:07:46pm

WTF?! Walking around the nation’s capitol or the Charm City on a weekend? Or the evening?

Both cities have wonderful stuff and places to see at night and on weekend. DC is especially photogenic. But Trump thinks they’re dangerous because…. dog whistle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:07:48pm

re: #468 BlueSpotinAL

Comey never said they were all used simultaneously, this is a misunderstanding on the reporters part. “Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways.” Actual numbers, not in the published statement.

It was poorly phrased on his part.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:07:48pm
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freetoken  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:07:57pm

re: #462 Jenner7

Self-immolation is rare on a political stage, but we may be witnessing it here.

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plansbandc  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:08:37pm

So Rubio isn’t attending the convention? So basically the convention will be Trump, his relatives and Trumpers? Are his kids and wife going to double as the musical acts AKA The Wallbuilders Karaoke Spectacular?

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:09:36pm

re: #458 Jenner7

I can read angst from the likes of Podhoretz all day. They never realize that Trumpism is the inevitable outcome of the nurturing of the pig-people that Republicans have done for decades.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:09:54pm

re: #479 freetoken

Self-immolation is rare on a political stage, but we may be witnessing it here.

Nope. Don’t count on it.

His support wont fall below 30%, no matter if he even shot and killed someone in broad daylight. In that instance, they’d want to know who he killed (and what race/religion/nationality) before they came to a conclusion.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:10:05pm

re: #479 freetoken

Self-immolation is rare on a political stage, but we may be witnessing it here.

Nooooo…gotta get to Cleveland! No. Sleep. Till. Cleveland!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:10:08pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:10:15pm

re: #466 Bubblehead II

SNAFU!

FUBAR!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:10:25pm

re: #476 lawhawk

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WTF?! Walking around the nation’s capitol or the Charm City on a weekend? Or the evening?

Both cities have wonderful stuff and places to see at night and on weekend. DC is especially photogenic. But Trump thinks they’re dangerous because…. dog whistle.

Just did both weekend before last. Great places.

But WOW, what a dog-whistle you got there dude…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:10:41pm

re: #471 Stanley Sea

Who the fuck cares about Bobby Knight?

Not anybody in Ohio.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:10:48pm

re: #469 BeachDem

Michele Bachmann (no wingnut font necessary) :

As a matter of fact, carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful!
But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas. There isn’t one such study because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural. It is not harmful. It is part of Earth’s life cycle.

“CO2 inhalation is the most common method of euthanasia used at NIH for mice, rats, guinea pigs and hamsters.” - NIH, Guidelines for Euthanasia of Rodents Using Carbon Dioxide (PDF link)

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EPR-radar  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:11:10pm

re: #482 lawhawk

Nope. Don’t count on it.

His support wont fall below 30%, no matter if he even shot and killed someone in broad daylight. In that instance, they’d want to know who he killed (and what race/religion/nationality) before they came to a conclusion.

Fixed that for you. We’re talking about Trumpist dead-enders here.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:11:16pm

re: #482 lawhawk

Nope. Don’t count on it.

His support wont fall below 30%, no matter if he even shot and killed someone in broad daylight. In that instance, they’d want to know who he killed (and what race/religion/nationality) before they came to a conclusion.

1. Was gangbanger?
2. Was liberal?
3. Was Hillary supporter?
4. Was union member or somebody who said bad things about Trump?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:12:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:12:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:12:31pm

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not anybody in Ohio.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:12:32pm

re: #460 Stanley Sea

Do you know who else had Jewish grandkids? STALIN!

I was about to Tweet that but changed my mind.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:13:18pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:13:30pm

Imagine any nazi or Twitter cretin saying ‘you think I’m an anti-Semite? You’re the actual anti-Semite!’

Yeah, sounds nuts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:13:49pm

A Trump fan tweets:

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:14:04pm

re: #476 lawhawk

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WTF?! Walking around the nation’s capitol or the Charm City on a weekend? Or the evening?

Both cities have wonderful stuff and places to see at night and on weekend. DC is especially photogenic. But Trump thinks they’re dangerous because…. dog whistle.

Fine assholes. I hope they stay off the streets. Nobody wants Trump losers out in our bars and restaurants racisting up the joint, then puking on the Metro cuz they can’t hold their liquor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:14:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:15:43pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:16:48pm

I had to turn it on.

This is amazingly crazy.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:16:57pm

re: #485 wrenchwench

FUBAR!

Yep.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:17:28pm

re: #496 SoundGuy 2016

Imagine any nazi or Twitter cretin saying ‘you think I’m an anti-Semite? You’re the actual anti-Semite!’

Yeah, sounds nuts.

YOU KNOW WHO ARE TEH REAL RASSIST!!! LIBTARDS WHO SAY YOUR A RASSISST!!!!!!!!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:17:47pm

re: #501 Stanley Sea

I had to turn it on.

This is amazingly crazy.

Dude, it is. I mean he’s been bad before but tonight is epic level crazy.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:18:03pm

My mom just texted me: Trump is blathering his head off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:18:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:18:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:19:08pm

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Clearly, the pivot to the General has begun.
//

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calochortus  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:19:19pm

I’m not watching, but Freepers seem to be a bit confused and are spending more time discussing frozen bananas (really, they are) than what Trump is saying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:19:25pm
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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:21:08pm

Watching now….

Wow.

He’s lost it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:21:54pm

How many hours did Newt suck Donald’s dick?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:21:58pm
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plansbandc  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:22:48pm

OMG! I just started watching him. Utterly unstable.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:23:19pm

re: #482 lawhawk

Nope. Don’t count on it.

His support wont fall below 30%, no matter if he even shot and killed someone in broad daylight. In that instance, they’d want to know who he killed (and what race/religion/nationality) before they came to a conclusion.

Hypothetically, and this is very far out there on the fringes of hypothetically, what would happen if Trump managed to come in third? Let’s say that Johnson is able to get enough support to get on the debate stage and Trump continues his implosion. Would the GOP lose matching funds?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:24:10pm

I can’t watch it, but reading the comments, a phrase an English friend of mine used comes to mind - Barking Mad.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:27:57pm

re: #469 BeachDem

Michele Bachmann (no wingnut font necessary) :

As a matter of fact, carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful!
But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas. There isn’t one such study because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural. It is not harmful. It is part of Earth’s life cycle.

also, lightening is a perfectly natural phenomenon, so just stay in the water during thunderstorms

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:28:09pm

re: #511 Jenner7

Watching now….

Wow.

He’s lost it.

The GOP will see this as:

Wow! He’s IT!

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:29:08pm

re: #515 KGxvi

I don’t know what would happen, and I just don’t see it happening.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:29:34pm

re: #517 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

also, lightening is a perfectly natural phenomenon, so just stay in the water during thunderstorms

Swim out to the middle of the pond. Get as far away from overhanging trees as possible. Hold up a golf club, if you have one handy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:31:12pm

re: #389 Brian J.

$15 is way too high for most of the country; again, that would more than double the minimum wage at a stroke and raise it about 40% higher than ever before (after inflation adjustment). It’s too high to be a plausible bargaining chip; I’m honestly not sure Hillary’s previous proposal of $12 wasn’t too much.

I’m going to vote for Hillary, never fear (although it’s doubtful that it will do any good). It’s just that it’s so frustrating to see my candidate decide not to stand up for herself in this, as she’s done so often in other contexts.

OK, this is bullshit. Happy Warrior and I had this discussion the other day. The $2.00 minimum wage I got for my first job would be $14.38 in today’s money, and that didn’t crash the economy, in fact the economy was booming. His was exactly half that 30 years later. The 1960s disprove your thesis.

bls.gov

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Anymouse  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:31:52pm

re: #388 thedopefishlives

I have a mostly fresh bottle of Jack Daniel’s Honey Whiskey that tastes delightful when mixed with Coke. Sometimes with a splash of vanilla syrup if I’m in the mood.

My wife and I have been busily drinking all our booze up over the last few days so it doesn’t go bad when we leave for Canada tomorrow. /s

Spoke to my mother this afternoon (the Navy vet who feels that vets should not vote): she says she got her spankin’ new voter registration card in the mail yesterday. She says it is her intent to find every (R) on the ballot in Illinois and vote against them, starting with Donald Trump and Senator Mark Kirk. (I congratulated my newly-minted Democratic voter mother.)

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Brian J.  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:35:48pm

re: #521 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK, this is bullshit. Happy Warrior and I had this discussion the other day. The $2.00 minimum wage I got for my first job would be $14.38 in oday’s money, and thay didn’t crash the economy, in fact the economy was booming. His was exactly half that 30 years later. The 1960s disprove your thesis.

bls.gov

The minimum wage was $1.60 in 1968, or about $10.34 in 2016 US dollars. That’s the highest it’s ever been. It wasn’t raised to $2 until 1974, by which time inflation had knocked it down to about $9 in today’s money.

dol.gov

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Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:38:24pm

re: #462 Jenner7

Oh boy….

What.
A.
Disaster.
This.
Man.
Is.

Follow Ben Jacobs, Trump is a dumpster fire that keeps re-igniting.

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Never apologize, never admit error.

This asshole will start WWIII the month he’s inaugurated.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:53:28pm

re: #523 Brian J.

The minimum wage was $1.60 in 1968, or about $10.34 in 2016 US dollars. That’s the highest it’s ever been. It wasn’t raised to $2 until 1974, by which time inflation had knocked it down to about $9 in today’s money.

dol.gov

It was $2.00 here in 1967.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2016 • 4:58:49pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

It’s over, Johnny.

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It is never over when it comes to a Clinton. It is part of the Republican platform. It is written in all the conservative political analysts manuals. A Clinton must be investigated at all times!

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A Cranky One  Jul 6, 2016 • 6:32:41pm

re: #236 jaunte

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Another fun fact: without a source of propulsion, a ship that shape would turn side on to the waves and quickly capsize as it rolled side to side. I never see a propulsion source on any of the ark “replicas”.

So, I put on my creationist hat and pondered. And the truth was revealed.

In order to deal with the massive amount of animal excrement generated daily, the animals all took turns defecating off the rear of the ship. This “poopreller”, ejecting mass from the rear of the ship, provided the propulsion.

Which explains the origin of the term poop deck.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2016 • 6:43:40pm

re: #421 Barefoot Grin

Well, since some folks are talking libations, I’m almost on the outside of 64-oz of Gatorade with 8.3 oz of miralax on top of 4 dulcolax. I’m apparently not going anywhere for awhile.

I was doing that two weeks ago. Fun Fun Fun.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2016 • 6:58:02pm

re: #520 Blind Frog Belly White

Swim out to the middle of the pond. Get as far away from overhanging trees as possible. Hold up a golf club, if you have one handy.

You’d be safe if it was a 1-iron though. Not even God can hit one of those.

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Nyet  Jul 6, 2016 • 10:57:43pm

re: #364 Shimshon

In capitalist countries, wealth owners exploit workers for extra toys like vacation homes, cars, jewellery and the like.

In socialist countries, workers exploit owners so they can have things like high standard of living, education and health care.

Both sides are exactly the same.

You missed the whole point of the Soviet joke. But I expected that from you.


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