The Bob Cesca Show: Sleepy Grandpa

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Sleepy Grandpa: Not Safe For Work; Kimberley Johnson, author of Peyton’s Choice is here today; We recap the State of the Uniom without any clips; The fire hose of news and the four aspects of Russian propaganda; Trump lied about his SOTU ratings; White House is worried Nunes memo is a dud; Nunes refused to say whether the White House helped draft the memo; An Order of Ineptitude; Chris Wray won’t resign; Trump asked Rosenstein for his loyalty; Hope Hicks and obstruction of justice; Joan Walsh, Feminists and Hope Hicks; and much more.

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734 comments

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JordanRules  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:04:50pm

Each day rolls on as if it’s like any other and yet this is not normal, but this is now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:14:14pm

re: #1 JordanRules

Each day rolls on as if it’s like any other and yet this is not normal, but this is now.

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I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts hated the Feds. I know someone has to work at ICE but these guys actually take joy in seeing people’s lives upended.

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JordanRules  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:16:12pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

She was restrained in saying deplorable.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:19:33pm

re: #3 JordanRules

She was restrained in saying deplorable.

Oh yes for sure. A lot of these people would have easily turned on their Jewish neighbors during the lead up to and during WWII.

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JordanRules  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:26:54pm

In case anyone hadn’t seen this.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:27:47pm

I have a feeling it’s only a matter of time before there’s a standoff between local law enforcement and ICE agents.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:31:16pm

re: #5 JordanRules

In case anyone hadn’t seen this.

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I give Jimmy a lot of credit for putting a human face on DACA. It’s not surprising to me that it didn’t work though because of what we discussed above. It saddens me. I’ve seen Anti DACA people I know talk about Christ or applaud people like Nicholas Winton or people who fled North Korea but show heartlessness to people like this.

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teleskiguy  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:40:25pm

From downstairs:

Frenchy, if conscripted, would you shoot a condemned prisoner in the back of the head?

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teleskiguy  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:43:31pm

Any of you lizards… If conscripted by a state or federal government, would you shoot a condemned prisoner in the back of the head?

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:50:59pm

“It’s not racist for wanting your family safe from hispanic murderers, terrorists, and pedophiles!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:50:59pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Any of you lizards… If conscripted by a state or federal government, would you shoot a condemned prisoner in the back of the head?

My wife and I frequently have arguments over the death penalty … I am opposed in all cases, while she supports in certain cases.

For the issue of lethal injections, now that pharmaceutical companies are getting out of the business of being “Doctor Death,” states are experimenting on condemned prisoners with untested drug cocktails—last I heard, human experimentation was condemned after Dr. Mengele and such worldwide.

(I’ve weighed in on the issue of states using my epilepsy med, causing them to be restricted for legal uses—having to sign affidavits to get my medication and such.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2018 • 10:55:34pm

re: #5 JordanRules

In case anyone hadn’t seen this.

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One woman conservative said, regardless of her anti-DACA stance, “we live in a loving, compassionate, exceptional country.” Kimmel disagreed. “I think this country has become cruel,” he said. “Where is your compassion?”

This woman eventually admitted that she would make an exception for this particular family.

I just can’t even with these fucking people anymore.

Kudos to Kimmel for trying but damn.

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JordanRules  Feb 1, 2018 • 11:00:30pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

No doubt. He’s really trying it with his platform, as he should. Big kudos. Cause it is now that matters. People gotta challenge this now, in every way possible.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 1, 2018 • 11:19:41pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

One woman conservative said, regardless of her anti-DACA stance, “we live in a loving, compassionate, exceptional country.” Kimmel disagreed. “I think this country has become cruel,” he said. “Where is your compassion?”

This woman eventually admitted that she would make an exception for this particular family.

I just can’t even with these fucking people anymore.

Kudos to Kimmel for trying but damn.

It sort of fits the issue of a conservative showing compassion when it affects him or her personally.

Apparently, there was something in seeing the family in question up close and personal, along with hearing their story that moved her to make an exception for that particular family.

It’s similar to the restaurateur in Indiana who was recently deported. The folks in his town were all in on the idea of “deport ‘em all” until a person they’d known for years who operated a business and employed people in their town. Then they were concerned (but only for him).

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 1, 2018 • 11:35:22pm
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ckkatz  Feb 1, 2018 • 11:42:59pm

re: #5 JordanRules

There is a ‘philosophy’ that Timothy Snyder, a Yale Historian, calls Sado-Populism. Basically, it is the idea that no matter how bad your lot, there is a class of people who have it even worse. And therefore everybody else can take comfort.

In the Antebellum South it was the slaves. No matter how bad a white person had it, the Afro-Americans had it worse.

In Germany it was the Jews, the Roma, the auslander.

Today, the administration is trying to put the immigrant in that place.

And as always, it is the weak and disenfranchised who are attacked and picked upon. After all, they do not vote and likely do not have the means to defend themselve legally or otherwise.

And yes, I am horrified to watch it happening here. It can, and is, happening here.

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ckkatz  Feb 1, 2018 • 11:44:41pm

And, on that, its time for bed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 1, 2018 • 11:50:14pm

re: #16 ckkatz

There is a ‘philosophy’ that Timothy Snyder, a Yale Historian, calls Sado-Populism. Basically, it is the idea that no matter how bad your lot, there is a class of people who have it even worse. And therefore everybody else can take comfort.

In the Antebellum South it was the slaves. No matter how bad a white person had it, the Afro-Americans had it worse.

In Germany it was the Jews, the Roma, the auslander.

Today, the administration is trying to put the immigrant in that place.

And as always, it is the weak and disenfranchised who are attacked and picked upon. After all, they do not vote and likely do not have the means to defend themselve legally or otherwise.

And yes, I am horrified to watch it happening here. It can, and is, happening here.

The reverse of that is a logical fallacy, called the Fallacy of Relative Privation (or the “not as bad as” fallacy).

In politics, conservatives frequently use it to argue that attempts to improve conditions (say those of women) “are not as bad as” the problems of others (say women in Saudi Arabia).

The fallacy can be used to justify nearly any privation, civil rights violation, &c., and not work to improve them, because there are worse problems elsewhere. When it’s suggested then that we work on problems elsewhere, the fallacy is again reversed (why are we giving foreign aid to country X when we have homeless veterans).

The fallacy is used to justify doing nothing.

“Why are you complaining about people being poor in the USA? In (country X), they don’t even have televisions or electric lighting.”

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:16:49am

North Korea Accuses US of Deploying Aircraft Carriers Around Korean Peninsula

and?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:27:41am

Faith-healing megachurch pastor Gloria Copeland is urging her followers not to get flu shots. Jesus will provide and all.

rawstory.com

Her church was the source of a major measles outbreak a few years ago.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:41:45am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Faith-healing megachurch pastor Gloria Copeland is urging her followers not to get flu shots. Jesus will provide and all.

rawstory.com

Her church was the source of a major measles outbreak a few years ago.

These people are insane.

When it’s all said and done, we’re gonna need something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Tribunals to get the country moving forward again.

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Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:50:05am

Imagine that you’re a hypocritical sack of shit.

Now imagine you’re David Brooks.

But I repeat myself.

tl;dr - If Democrats would just accept Roe being overturned and states being allowed to ban abortions, then single-issue voters would stop supporting the GOP and the DNC’s ranks would expand.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:56:48am

Roger Stone is in the United Kingdom for a speaking tour. He was seen going into the Ecuadorian Embassy, though he says he did not meet with Julian Assange.

thedailybeast.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:59:46am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Imagine that you’re a hypocritical sack of shit.

Now imagine you’re David Brooks.

But I repeat myself.

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tl;dr - If Democrats would just accept Roe being overturned and states being allowed to ban abortions, then single-issue voters would stop supporting the GOP and the DNC’s ranks would expand.

Sure, if we went back to pre-Roe, the GOP’s voters would be all-in on issues like immigration.

Why isn’t David Brooks working for the Weekly Standard instead of the New York Times? (Oh, that’s right, the Times is a right-wing paper.)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:04:40am

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

Roger Stone is in the United Kingdom for a speaking tour. He was seen going into the Ecuadorian Embassy, though he says he did not meet with Julian Assange.

thedailybeast.com

Bullshit.

Stone’s saying he just popped in to the Ecuadorian Embassy for coffee and cake or something? There’s no other reason to go to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London than to see Assange, unless Stone’s looking to get a residency visa for Ecuador, which of course, he could do in the US.

Stone’s full of shit.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:09:17am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Faith-healing megachurch pastor Gloria Copeland is urging her followers not to get flu shots. Jesus will provide and all.

rawstory.com

Her church was the source of a major measles outbreak a few years ago.

This will not end well.
1918 flu pandemic
My grandmother was 10 at the time. Six of her twenty-five classmates, and their teacher, died during the epidemic.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:14:46am

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

These people are insane.

When it’s all said and done, we’re gonna need something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Tribunals to get the country moving forward again.

One anti-vaxx gang is claiming that the flu shot will cause Alzheimer’s, deliberately targeting an especially vulnerable population with their homicidal bullshit. They should have the Julius Streicher chair at the upcoming tribunal.

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Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:14:51am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

Sure, if we went back to pre-Roe, the GOP’s voters would be all-in on issues like immigration.

Why isn’t David Brooks working for the Weekly Standard instead of the New York Times? (Oh, that’s right, the Times is a right-wing paper.)

It’s the usual (insert “moderate” stance) bit, where we’re supposed to believe that if the DNC would just sell their soul away a piece at a time, then they’d win back all these single-issue voters from the GOP.

One day it’s “If only the DNC would support stricter immigration policy…”

The next it’s “If only the DNC would agree on lower taxes…”

Even when Brooks admits that the GOP would push to ban abortions in almost half the nation and institute pseudo-bans in others, he absolutely refuses to recognize such as the sort of extremist position that he views keeping abortions after 20 weeks legal as.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:14:56am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’ve been suffering all evening from the achy sort of pain one might associate with the flu, though I am not a physician.

That said, I had a flu shot a couple months ago, so if I did come down with influenza it would likely be less-severe than it would without an immunization.

I’m off to bed; it’s late or early or something.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:37:41am

It really is a bad poster.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 1:45:27am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Faith-healing megachurch pastor Gloria Copeland is urging her followers not to get flu shots. Jesus will provide and all.

rawstory.com

Her church was the source of a major measles outbreak a few years ago.

Worth noting: Kenneth Copeland is from Lubbock and was briefly jailed there in 1961 for failure to pay child support to the first of his 3 wives. After being born again in 1967, he enrolled at Oral Roberts University and worked as Oral’s pilot and chauffeur.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2018 • 2:59:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 3:06:54am

re: #16 ckkatz

There is a ‘philosophy’ that Timothy Snyder, a Yale Historian, calls Sado-Populism. Basically, it is the idea that no matter how bad your lot, there is a class of people who have it even worse. And therefore everybody else can take comfort.

In the Antebellum South it was the slaves. No matter how bad a white person had it, the Afro-Americans had it worse.

In Germany it was the Jews, the Roma, the auslander.

The British did it in Northern Ireland between the Protestant Ulster settlers and the native Irish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 3:08:13am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This will not end well.
1918 flu pandemic
My grandmother was 10 at the time. Six of her twenty-five classmates, and their teacher, died during the epidemic.

My mother was born in June 1918. I guess I should be grateful that she survived to bear and raise me and my five siblings…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2018 • 3:51:21am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 3:57:13am

Personal stuff. I have to write it out, you don’t have to read it:

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:04:56am

Random song heard on the way into work.

The Flaming Lips - She Don’t Use Jelly [Official Music Video]

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:05:48am

Sigh.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:17:58am

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:18:52am

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:19:29am

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

Personal stuff. I have to write it out, you don’t have to read it:

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jeffreyw  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:23:14am

Imgur


Good morning!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:29:45am

Buckle up, he’s setting up a Purge.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:42:13am
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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:43:20am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Buckle up, he’s setting up a Purge.

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He seems to think saying the rank and file are awesome will buy their loyalty. I don’t think he understands what loyalty means.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:45:12am

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch

good fucking grief

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:47:42am

Good morning, all. It’s that time of the month.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:50:48am

Meanwhile, here in the Czech Republic, the country is in the grip of a major flu epidemic. Hospitals are running at full capacity, and some have even taken the precaution of prohibiting visits (I’ll have to see if the Faculty Hospital in Ostrava will be open to visitors Monday - I teach English there).

Yeesh. Apparently, South Moravia has been the hardest hit.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:58:45am

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

Time for some Hibernol.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 4:59:53am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Imagine that you’re a hypocritical sack of shit.

Now imagine you’re David Brooks.

But I repeat myself.

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tl;dr - If Democrats would just accept Roe being overturned and states being allowed to ban abortions, then single-issue voters would stop supporting the GOP and the DNC’s ranks would expand.

As a man, it’s easy for Brooks to have this attitude and I say that as a man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:01:54am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:03:12am

re: #49 Shropshire Slasher

Time for some Hibernol.

LOL I’ll have to show that to my students next week - they’ll love it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:04:51am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch

good fucking grief

He literally is basing his policy decisions based off of the right wing bs you see in memes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:06:16am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:10:06am

re: #38 MsJ

Sigh.

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I’m really disappointed that the local AFL-CIO doesn’t seem to realize that partners at firms have different opinions and handle different cases. The attorney I work for is Democratic leaning in his beliefs but one of the older attorneys isn’t. Sigh indeed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:13:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:14:58am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Winter blues: Pennsylvania’s most famous groundhog Punxsutawney Phil sees his shadow, foresees 6 more weeks of winter.

proving again that global warming is a hoax.

/

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Broad With Sass  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:15:39am

re: #47 MsJ

nD6aFp/wzoL48tXlaDUA6g==

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:16:06am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

“You had Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party try to hide the fact that they gave money to GPS Fusion to create a Dossier which was used by their allies in the Obama Administration to convince a Court misleadingly, by all accounts, to spy on the Trump Team.” Tom Fitton, JW

— Donald J. Trump

So what? Would that have been illegal?

I’m being sarcastic (at least a little), as I don’t believe this allegation has any merit. But this is the new morality the MAGAbots have invited us all to indulge in. Hey, if something wasn’t illegal (like say, collusion with Russia), then who cares, right?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:16:50am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Again? Wth?

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:17:51am

re: #58 Broad With Sass

You’re welcome! Enjoy!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:18:02am

I’ve taken to calling them TrumpRoaches

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:20:01am

re: #59 Sir John Barron

So what? Would that have been illegal?

I’m being sarcastic (at least a little), as I don’t believe this allegation has any merit. But this is the new morality the MAGAbots have invited us all to indulge in. Hey, if something was illegal (like say, collusion with Russia), then who cares?

Didn’t Jeb fund the Fusion dossier? Considering Jeb refused to support him and his family even had members vote for HRC, I think Jeb knew something stank about Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:23:30am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Jeb fund the Fusion dossier? Considering Jeb refused to support him and his family even had members vote for HRC, I think Jeb knew something stank about Trump.

Yes but you’re messing up the narrative.

//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:23:34am

re: #62 Dave In Austin

I’ve taken to calling them TrumpRoaches

Trump toadies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:24:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:24:17am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Jeb fund the Fusion dossier? Considering Jeb refused to support him and his family even had members vote for HRC, I think Jeb knew something stank about Trump.

Trump is the anti-politician, he is even against the GOP when it comes to the establishment faction, of which Jeb is a major representative.

So this will only strengthen DT’s claim to being the champion of the disillusioned, forgotten (white) common man.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:24:19am

re: #64 Sir John Barron

Yes but you’re messing up the narrative.

//

I’d really appreciate it if Jeb spoke out on that point.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:26:20am

re: #10 DodgerFan1988

Because White women are never gunned down by White men. **rolls eyes**

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:26:20am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is the anti-politician, he is even against the GOP when it comes to the establishment faction, of which Jeb is a major representative.

So this will only strengthen DT’s claim to being the champion of the disillusioned, forgotten (white) common man.

Has nothing to do with Trump making Fusion out to be a partisan operation. But will it really? Among his core supporters sure but let’s face it, they’re gone and will make any excuse.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:26:24am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Trump toadies.

And all Bots get tagged with #ObviouslyIvan

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:27:50am

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

Because White women are never gunned down by White men. **rolls eyes**

I said it after Roof murdered those black church goers, no one went on TV attacking “white culture” the way they do when black people commit crimes or even end up dead by the cops.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:28:06am

re: #71 Dave In Austin

And all Bots get tagged with #ObviouslyIvan

Yes!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:32:21am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:35:20am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anyone who’d like to knee Ryan in the groin can toss a few bucks to Ironstache. I’m doing it to pay back Lizards who donated to Doug Jones.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:36:38am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad he did this. There is a human cost of “deregulation” that hacks like Ryan never consider because he cares more about getting their bosses’ donations than these people going back to their families.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:36:56am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Women’s reproductive rights which include abortion and contraception are crucial to the Democratic party. If they stop supporting women’s reproductive rights, what else will they give up to reach out to the bigots who support Republicans? And which Democrat in his/her right mind would take advice from the likes of Brooks?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:36:56am

Oh shit!

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:41:03am

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

Personal stuff. I have to write it out, you don’t have to read it:

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:41:22am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Glad he did this. There is a human cost of “deregulation” that hacks like Ryan never consider because he cares more about getting their bosses’ donations than these people going back to their families.

The year OSHA was signed, there were more than 14,000 job fatalities. Ironstache cites 5,190 for 2016 in his vid.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:42:43am

re: #78 Barefoot Grin

Oh shit!

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I saw that last night. My husband watched it like eight times, laughing like an idiot every time. I have to admit that I did, too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:44:39am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

The year OSHA was signed, there were more than 14,000 job fatalities. Ironstache cites 5,190 for 2016 in his vid.

And there were fewer people in the workforce then too. Air travel regulations have made air travel one of the safest modes of travel possible.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:49:39am

re: #81 MsJ

I saw that last night. My husband watched it like eight times, laughing like an idiot every time. I have to admit that I did, too.

Drunken shenanigans often end badly. I’m in my office giggling, though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:49:41am

Ranting against “burdensome regulation” is a platitude that may sound good to the ear especially if you fancy yourself an opponent of so called big government but as DD got it, OSHA has saved lives. It’s easy to rant against regulations in the Ivory Tower of a right wing think tank where the worst is likely to happen to you is to get stuck with Jim DeMint.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:50:34am

re: #1 JordanRules

Each day rolls on as if it’s like any other and yet this is not normal, but this is now.

I’ve been thinking about this. Democrats should be doing this as well. We should be encouraging people to get into law enforcement at all levels. That we don’t is a failure on our side.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:50:39am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Jeb fund the Fusion dossier? Considering Jeb refused to support him and his family even had members vote for HRC, I think Jeb knew something stank about Trump.

Exactly. My understanding is that it was Republican opponents of Trump during the primaries who initially funded the Fusion dossier.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:51:53am

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

Exactly. My understanding is that it was Republican opponents of Trump during the primaries who initially funded the Fusion dossier.

I’d love to see the behind the scenes emails at the RNC as Trump won primary after primary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:52:32am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Ranting against “burdensome regulation” is a platitude that may sound good to the ear especially if you fancy yourself an opponent of so called big government but as DD got it, OSHA has saved lives. It’s easy to rant against regulations in the Ivory Tower of a right wing think tank where the worst is likely to happen to you is to get stuck with Jim DeMint.

Remember that we area also competing with international companies whose environmental, safety and health standards are lax or unenforced. In doing so, we are shooting ourselves in the foot: not only are we losing jobs to companies who do not have to incur these costs, but we are giving them little or no incentive to clean up their act.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:53:24am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember that we area also competing with international companies whose environmental, safety and health standards are lax or unenforced. In doing so, we are shooting ourselves in the foot: not only are we losing jobs to companies who do not have to incur these costs, but we are giving them little or no incentive to clean up their act.

That’s true as well.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:53:52am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

I give Jimmy a lot of credit for putting a human face on DACA. It’s not surprising to me that it didn’t work though because of what we discussed above. It saddens me. I’ve seen Anti DACA people I know talk about Christ or applaud people like Nicholas Winton or people who fled North Korea but show heartlessness to people like this.

Kimmel’s clip will not move the Trump supporters, but it will move the “Independents”. A lot of Independents voted Trump because he was “good at business” (reasoning that otherwise Trump would not be wealthy). The common clay of the new west. You know, m****s.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:55:08am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember that we area also competing with international companies whose environmental, safety and health standards are lax or unenforced. In doing so, we are shooting ourselves in the foot: not only are we losing jobs to companies who do not have to incur these costs, but we are giving them little or no incentive to clean up their act.

If only there were some international agreements and systems of sanctions to disincentivize trading partners who take the low road on safety and the environment…

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:58:40am

re: #78 Barefoot Grin

I hope some really good drugs were involved.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:59:28am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch

good fucking grief

Hiding a fact we all knew about. How does that work?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 5:59:30am

I call it the Paradox of Modernity. As we get further from the past, we forget why we have things that have created our present which in an unrelated note, I think is why you see so many young people get drawn to the Nazis and white supremacists these days. WWII is a distant event for them. So too were the days before work safety regulations.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:01:14am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thankfully, the release of the Nunes propaganda memo will be a huge dud. It will have no impact on Mueller and his investigation, for one.

As discussed by Bill Kristol on Morning Joe, its only impact will be to provide Trump to claim that he will not submit to questioning by Mueller because the investigation is below his dignity and has been corrupted.

I don’t see anyone buying such a ridiculous argument who is not already a strong Trump supporter.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:01:34am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is the anti-politician, he is even against the GOP when it comes to the establishment faction, of which Jeb is a major representative.

So this will only strengthen DT’s claim to being the champion of the disillusioned, forgotten (white) common man.

of course, win-win for MAGAworld. Drain the swamp, etc.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:01:50am

re: #90 BlueSpotinAL

Kimmel’s clip will not move the Trump supporters, but it will move the “Independents”. A lot of Independents voted Trump because he was “good at business” (reasoning that otherwise Trump would not be wealthy). The common clay of the new west. You know, m****s.

When I’ve pointed out to my students that Trump is, at absolute best, a mediocre businessman who is far better at promoting himself and his image, and when I show them his multiple business failures, they’re genuinely shocked.

The image of Trump presented here in the Czech Republic is that he’s a highly successful real-estate mogul. His failures - which are legion - are entirely ignored.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:04:25am

re: #95 Patricia Kayden

Thankfully, the release of the Nunes propaganda memo will be a huge dud. It will have no impact on Mueller and his investigation, for one.

As discussed by Bill Kristol on Morning Joe, its only impact will be to provide Trump to claim that he will not submit to questioning by Mueller because the investigation is below his dignity and has been corrupted.

I don’t see anyone buying such a ridiculous argument who is not already a strong Trump supporter.

The anti-Trump Russia investigation is totally biased and partisan since both Democrats and Republicans contributed to it and oh by the way here is our totally unbiased Nunes memo which got out of committee on partyline vote, which debunks the whole thing and you should totally accept it as gospel truth.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:05:49am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

When I’ve pointed out to my students that Trump is, at absolute best, a mediocre businessman who is far better at promoting himself and his image, and when I show them his multiple business failures, they’re genuinely shocked.

The image of Trump presented here in the Czech Republic is that he’s a highly successful real-estate mogul. His failures - which are legion - are entirely ignored.

He’s proved good at one thing and that’s promoting himself. And he benefited from that by being born in New York and New York loving obnoxious self promoters like that. I’d like to ask the people who think Trump is so successful if they ever had a Trump steak, drank Trump vodka, or if they’ve ever gambled at a Trump casino. I actually have stayed at a Trump hotel but it was just in name only. He did not actually own it.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:06:07am

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

Women’s reproductive rights which include abortion and contraception are crucial to the Democratic party. If they stop supporting women’s reproductive rights, what else will they give up to reach out to the bigots who support Republicans? And which Democrat in his/her right mind would take advice from the likes of Brooks?

“If you’d just give up that one issue, abortion.”
“If you’d just give up that one issue, immigration.”
“If you’d just give up that one issue, minority rights.”

First they came for the women, and I gave in because I am a man.
Then they came for the immigrants, and I gave in because I was born in America.
Then they came for blacks, and I gave in because I am white.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to help me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:11:39am

re: #100 Belafon

“If you’d just give up that one issue, abortion.”
“If you’d just give up that one issue, immigration.”
“If you’d just give up that one issue, minority rights.”

First they came for the women, and I gave in because I am a man.
Then they came for the immigrants, and I gave in because I was born in America.
Then they came for blacks, and I gave in because I am white.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to help me.

Very well said. TBH who the fuck is Brooks to tell Democrats to give up on abortion? It’s definitely NOT his rights being threatened. And I’m sorry but you never see Republicans get told “If you only you gave up issue blah blah”.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:12:49am

Watching this mornings anti FBI Trump tweet with real worry and anger. Afaik if Trump does an FBI purge, that’s time to take it to the streets. General strike, full stop.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:14:19am

re: #102 Unshaken Defiance

Watching this mornings anti FBI Trump tweet with real worry and anger. Afaik if Trump does an FBI purge, that’s time to take it to the streets. General strike, full stop.

If he purges the FBI, the question needs to be asked, who is next.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:17:04am

this is pretty good if you havent seen it yet (wait for the end)

YouTube

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:17:51am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

If he purges the FBI, the question needs to be asked, who is next.

I say it like this. He would have to be next or our way of life is in far worse peril than if the FBI is kept intact and unmolested.
Top o my twitter this morning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:18:37am

re: #91 Decatur Deb

If only there were some international agreements and systems of sanctions to disincentivize trading partners who take the low road on safety and the environment…

I hate to say it, but this is what import tariffs are for. To incentivize nations to clean up their act and compete with us on an even footing. And we have seen that pollution does not stop at international borders, its effects are often regional or even global.

I can deal with the notion of other nations competing with us on wages: that is our incentive to be more efficient, and American workers are among the most efficient in the world. But we cannot afford to lower our health, safety or environmental standards without incurring downstream costs that more than balance out any gains that we make in profitability.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:18:56am

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

I say it like this. He would have to be next or our way of life is in far worse peril than if the FBI is kept intact and unmolested.
Top o my twitter this morning.

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That’s terrifying. Low income Americans need legal assistance the most of anyone.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:19:26am

interesting story at electoral-vote.com on the relationships between presidents and the FBI

so much goes by over the years i forget stuff that happened back then:

George W. Bush: In a reversal from the Hoover years, the Bush administration was wiretap-happy, and the FBI leadership felt that things were going too far. W., and even more so Dick Cheney, told the Bureau that they better get on board with keeping America safe. A trio of high-ranking fellows in the Justice Department said that if Bush didn’t dial it back, they would all resign. Bush caved, later admitting that “I thought about the Saturday Night Massacre in October 1973,” and that he feared his presidency would be destroyed. Our researchers are still trying to figure out what became of the three men who faced Bush down; if anyone has any information, their names were Robert Mueller, James Comey, and Christopher Wray.

my itals

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:19:58am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area.

This is where we are today.

Trump attacks his own hand picked FBI director, his deputies, the DOJ, and Congressional GOPers are continuing to enable Trump’s assault on law enforcement.

And why would Trump be attacking FBI Director Wray?

Because Wray called out Nunes for his bullshit memo in no uncertain terms. False, misleading, and inaccurate.

Trump wants it released because he thinks this somehow helps Trump. Nunes thinks this is good.

The FBI is like WTF. DOJ is like WTF.

Senate GOPer Burr from the Senate Intel Committee wasn’t allowed to see the memo, which should have been the first red flag that this was a total bullshit job by Nunes.

If there was something substantive to the Nunes memo, he would have had no problem showing it to fellow GOPers on the Senate Intel committee.

Nunes is lying and obfuscating and showing that he’s complicit in the Trump obstruction of justice by producing a bullshit memo, the only purpose of which is to deflect attention and cast doubt on an investigation into Trump when all the principals to the investigation are actually GOPers.

Ryan continues to bullshit his way through things, and now says that he’s open to releasing the Democratic response from Schiff. Too bad that Nunes memo will have salted the earth with bullshit and it will take hold in media so the rebuttal will fall on deaf ears.

We already see this in motion time and again from Trump and the GOP. They baffle with BS and when called on it, they and their supporters claim the facts are fake news.

It’s what they do.

Mueller keeps investigating, because that’s what he does. Gates is a step closer to a plea deal (based on the shakeup of his legal team). Flynn continues to spill his guts, and the walls are closing in on Trump and his cronies, particularly when Junior, Hicks, and other idiots associated with Trump can’t get out of their own way and admit to coverups, lying, and making claims that prove obstruction of justice was Trump’s sole motivating goal in trying to end the investigations into his corruption and criminality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:21:01am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

When I’ve pointed out to my students that Trump is, at absolute best, a mediocre businessman who is far better at promoting himself and his image, and when I show them his multiple business failures, they’re genuinely shocked.

The image of Trump presented here in the Czech Republic is that he’s a highly successful real-estate mogul. His failures - which are legion - are entirely ignored.

I simply point out that we elected him to the highest office in the land with absolutely no record of public service, and a private business record that is largely unknown to us since he refuses to release any evidence of it.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:21:46am

oh, and good morning (or evening) one and all

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:22:05am
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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:22:23am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:22:32am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Also a stick behind the TPP/NAFTA carrot. Good thing we’re freeing the market from that burden.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:23:06am

re: #113 lawhawk

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This is a lie Rand and you know this. Fuck off.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:24:43am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I guess I will sound on a rant this morning. “We” *cough EC majority cough* elected him with a ton of verifiable negative information. Yesterday somebody said to me “there was no magic” in Trumps election. My reply was there may of been no magic, but there was no end of tricks and sleight of hand.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:24:54am

I have no clue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:27:33am

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

I guess I will sound on a rant this morning. “We” *cough EC majority cough* elected him with a ton of verifiable negative information. Yesterday somebody said to me “there was no magic” in Trumps election. My reply was there may of been no magic, but there was no end of tricks and sleight of hand.

Michael Moore pointed out months in advance that it was simple math: he just had to carry all the states that Romney did in 2012 (no magic involved there) plus the rust-belt states of PA, OH, MI and WI and he would have the electoral votes to win, even without Florida.

He carried those four states (by often small pluralities), and that was that.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:28:15am

I’m going to indulge Trump a moment and treat him as CEO of America, Inc. Well, he’s doing a piss poor job of running the country. He’s trying to destroy the parts that make it work well, all because he’s decided that he can run everything, and that those damn engineers who make what his company sells can’t do anything.

We’ve seen those companies before. In particular, I’m going to pick on HP. We can survive. We just have to remove him. And we’ll have to wait, and keep doing the right thing, until we can override the board of directors and boot his ass out.

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:31:13am

re: #118 MsJ

The memo will get released to the dull thud of it being a nothingburger that is treated as the Pentagon Papers by the Fox News crowd, and everyone else, including law enforcement, FBI, DOJ, and Democrats will be calling for Nunes to be indicted on obstruction of justice charges for putting out a completely BS doc.

Trump’s hoping to use the Super Bowl to cover up even more malfeasance. Just you watch.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:31:15am

re: #118 MsJ

Yeah, there’s no context to that quote. It could mean anything.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:32:39am

I’ll admit it: I’m looking forward to some wine and hoe cakes tonight. Or maybe just something from Winky Dinky Dog.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:35:27am

Try this thought experiment. Maybe a couple angles. How far would you go if he does purge FBI, DOJ, EPA, and so on? More dangerous to work, immigrate, inhale or be investigated. Yikes.

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:36:07am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:36:35am

re: #125 lawhawk

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Does Kelly think he’s fooling us or himself?

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:36:48am

Morning!

I haven’t read through the thread yet…I was taken back to the other thread last night that turned a little sour about the death penalty. I guess I logged out at the right time.

Hello? Answer> …

Just checking the echo chamber. Nope, doesn’t seem to be on.

Now to catch up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:36:58am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This will not end well.
1918 flu pandemic
My grandmother was 10 at the time. Six of her twenty-five classmates, and their teacher, died during the epidemic.

Grandma Bacon and Grandma Mitchell both recounted the terror of that epidemic. Grandma Bacon worked at the Navy Department. People were in an absolute panic. Grandma would see several people come to work, starting to cough, collapse at their desks or work stations, deep blue skin color.

Grandma Mitchell said she thought of the Black Plague, people dying and placed in mass graves…

As for that asshole Pulpit Pimp Copeland, she deserves multiple Darwin Awards…

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Teukka  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:37:47am

re: #124 Unshaken Defiance

Try this thought experiment. Maybe a couple angles. How far would you go if he does purge FBI, DOJ, EPA, and so on? More dangerous to work, immigrate, inhale or be investigated. Yikes.

I would not be surprised if that is what happens if the admin isn’t taken out by legal means. Trump and the White House Crew have been reeking of Fascism proper for quite some time now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:38:06am

re: #128 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon and Grandma Mitchell both recounted the terror of that epidemic. Grandma Bacon worked at the Navy Department. People were in an absolute panic. Grandma would see several people come to work, starting to cough, collapse at their desks or work stations, deep blue skin color.

Grandma Mitchell said she thought of the Black Plague, people dying and placed in mass graves…

As for that asshole Pulpit Pimp Copeland, she deserves multiple Darwin Awards…

There was a family legend since disproven that my Grandpa had two older siblings die during the flu epidemic. This again goes back to my so called paradox of modernity.

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Teukka  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:39:34am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This will not end well.
1918 flu pandemic
My grandmother was 10 at the time. Six of her twenty-five classmates, and their teacher, died during the epidemic.

I concur. It will not end well. Never does when you create a pathogen reservoir by having a largish population of unvaccinated people.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:40:22am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet the Berniebots led by Nincompoop Nina are blasting Iron Stache…

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:40:24am

Oh yeah…to add. That guy with the beard and the MAGA hat in the Kimmel video about Meet the DACA people. That is my older brother. 100%. Lots of them out there…angry white fucks that have never met a Mexican, or an Iranian…and stayed isolated from “The Blacks”…but damn they know all about how evil they are.

I think guys in MAGA hats are in an echo chamber.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:41:42am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Oh yeah…to add. That guy with the beard and the MAGA hat in the Kimmel video about Meet the DACA people. That is my older brother. 100%. Lots of them out there…angry white fucks that have never met a Mexican, or an Iranian…and stayed isolated from “The Blacks”…but damn they know all about how evil they are.

I think guys in MAGA hats are in an echo chamber.

Yes they are in an echo chamber every Sunday getting the latest GOP talking point from their Religious Right Pulpit Pimp!

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:42:58am

I thought we were supposed to be purging Nixon President Trump

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:43:00am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Imagine that you’re a hypocritical sack of shit.

Now imagine you’re David Brooks.

But I repeat myself.

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tl;dr - If Democrats would just accept Roe being overturned and states being allowed to ban abortions, then single-issue voters would stop supporting the GOP and the DNC’s ranks would expand.

hey dave
wouldnt this work in reverse for the r’s?
i mean why are you giving dems advice?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:43:04am

re: #132 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yet the Berniebots led by Nincompoop Nina are blasting Iron Stache…

Seriously?!!? I swear there’s something not right with Turner.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:43:32am

re: #124 Unshaken Defiance

Try this thought experiment. Maybe a couple angles. How far would you go if he does purge FBI, DOJ, EPA, and so on? More dangerous to work, immigrate, inhale or be investigated. Yikes.

At that point we are still in the world of legal recourse. I come from an age when OSHA and EPA didn’t exist and the FBI and DOJ were working hard against us.
We turned it around then, and we will do it again, though it’s going to cost a number of lives and a great amount of effort and money.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:44:41am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Oh yeah…to add. That guy with the beard and the MAGA hat in the Kimmel video about Meet the DACA people. That is my older brother. 100%. Lots of them out there…angry white fucks that have never met a Mexican, or an Iranian…and stayed isolated from “The Blacks”…but damn they know all about how evil they are.

I think guys in MAGA hats are in an echo chamber.

They are in an echo chamber which I find hilarious considering they accuse liberals of living in a bubble.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:48:31am

re: #123 Barefoot Grin

I’ll admit it: I’m looking forward to some wine and hoe cakes tonight. Or maybe just something from Winky Dinky Dog.

Mmmm…hoe cakes!

(what’s a hoe cake? :D )

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:48:47am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What boils my blood is seeing family members Facebook posts pushing the deregulation bullshit—even saying “You don’t need Government Regulations when you have Jesus…”

I remind them that Dad ‘s hand was crushed in an accident and he lost a couple fingers from that since there were no safety inspectors before OSHA. They still reply with the Jesus bullshit…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:49:52am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Seriously?!!? I swear there’s something not right with Turner.

Jill Shill Jimmy Dore also attacks him. He also pushes the Assange BS that there was no Russian interference…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:50:59am

re: #142 Joe Bacon 🌹

Jill Shill Jimmy Dore also attacks him. He also pushes the Assange BS that there was no Russian interference…

The far left and far right. United under Putin.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:51:14am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Oh yeah…to add. That guy with the beard and the MAGA hat in the Kimmel video about Meet the DACA people. That is my older brother. 100%. Lots of them out there…angry white fucks that have never met a Mexican, or an Iranian…and stayed isolated from “The Blacks”…but damn they know all about how evil they are.

I think guys in MAGA hats are in an echo chamber.

MAGA caps…like the Sorting Hat of Stupid.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:51:47am
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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:52:13am

re: #141 Joe Bacon 🌹

What boils my blood is seeing family members Facebook posts pushing the deregulation bullshit—even saying “You don’t need Government Regulations when you have Jesus…”

I remind them that Dad ‘s hand was crushed in an accident and he lost a couple fingers from that since there were no safety inspectors before OSHA. They still reply with the Jesus bullshit…

These are the same people who justify their son blowing away their daughter with the unsecured gun by saying God was calling her home.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:53:26am

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

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This is fucking evil.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:54:10am

re: #146 Belafon

These are the same people who justify their son blowing away their daughter with the unsecured gun by saying God was calling her home.

I really hate that mindset. Fine, if you want to believe in Christ, that’s not my business but if you think Christ should preclude the need for workplace safety regulations, you’re off your left nut.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:54:15am

re: #146 Belafon

These are the same people who justify their son blowing away their daughter with the unsecured gun by saying God was calling her home.

Yes. Which is why I truly despise how Republicans have totally mutated Christianity into glorification of Ayn Randian selfishness.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:55:15am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

I call it the Paradox of Modernity. As we get further from the past, we forget why we have things that have created our present which in an unrelated note, I think is why you see so many young people get drawn to the Nazis and white supremacists these days. WWII is a distant event for them. So too were the days before work safety regulations.

it’s a comfort trap: since nothing ever goes wrong, why do we need all these rules, regulations, routines, plans, checklists?

we forget there is a background, a history of mistakes, trial, error, that supports the development of all those rules.

we keep doing it this way because nothing goes wrong when we do

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:56:23am

re: #95 Patricia Kayden

Thankfully, the release of the Nunes propaganda memo will be a huge dud. It will have no impact on Mueller and his investigation, for one.

As discussed by Bill Kristol on Morning Joe, its only impact will be to provide Trump to claim that he will not submit to questioning by Mueller because the investigation is below his dignity and has been corrupted.

I don’t see anyone buying such a ridiculous argument who is not already a strong Trump supporter.

recent monmouth poll:

71% say Trump should agree to be interviewed by Mueller while 22% say he should not be.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:58:18am

re: #150 dangerman

it’s a comfort trap: since nothing ever goes wrong, why do we need all these rules, regulations, routines, plans, checklists?

we forget there is a background, a history of mistakes, trial, error, that supports the development of all those rules.

we keep doing it this way because nothing goes wrong when we do

Exactly. That’s a better way of what I was saying.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:59:15am

re: #149 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes. Which is why I truly despise how Republicans have totally mutated Christianity into glorification of Ayn Randian selfishness.

I remember taking philosophy class as a junior in high school and it was so funny to see the people who had taken conservative positions on bio-ethical issues like choice, physician aided suicide, the death penalty, etc love Ayn Rand’s message.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 6:59:28am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

He’s proved good at one thing and that’s promoting himself. And he benefited from that by being born in New York and New York loving obnoxious self promoters like that. I’d like to ask the people who think Trump is so successful if they ever had a Trump steak, drank Trump vodka, or if they’ve ever gambled at a Trump casino. I actually have stayed at a Trump hotel but it was just in name only. He did not actually own it.

try and get a Trump steak, Trump vodka, or go to a Trump casino today and ask yourself why you cant

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:00:38am

re: #141 Joe Bacon 🌹

What boils my blood is seeing family members Facebook posts pushing the deregulation bullshit—even saying “You don’t need Government Regulations when you have Jesus…”

I remind them that Dad ‘s hand was crushed in an accident and he lost a couple fingers from that since there were no safety inspectors before OSHA. They still reply with the Jesus bullshit…

GeeZuz wanted your dad to have a mangled hand. It was deemed and so it will be.

But GeeZuz…that 2 ton punch press is being cycled faster than I can work and I still can’t make number.

GeeZuz says what is the corporation’s is the corporation’s. Now back to work so you can give your 10% in the Sunday collection.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:00:42am

re: #154 dangerman

try and get a Trump steak, Trump vodka, or go to a Trump casino today and ask yourself why you cant

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:01:44am

re: #155 ObserverArt

GeeZuz wanted your dad to have a mangled hand. It was deemed and so it will be.

But GeeZuz…that 2 ton punch press is being cycled faster than I can work and I still can’t make number.

GeeZuz says what is the corporation’s is the corporation’s. Now back to work so you can give your 10% in the Sunday collection.

I’m not religious at all but I hate how the religious right has attempted to make Jesus Christ out to be their guy. The thing I really really hate is when they use Christ to justify gun hoarding. Really, the guy who let himself be killed thinks you should gun hoard?

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:02:01am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I remember taking philosophy class as a junior in high school and it was so funny to see the people who had taken conservative positions on bio-ethical issues like choice, physician aided suicide, the death penalty, etc love Ayn Rand’s message.

“I hate Obamacare but I love the ACA.”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:02:42am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Exactly.

I recall seeing Trump Steaks at The Sharper Image, but damn, that would’ve been around 20+ years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:02:49am

re: #158 Belafon

“I hate Obamacare but I love the ACA.”

Or Paul Ryan being shocked to find out that Ayn Rand was hostile towards organized religion. But he’s an “intellectual.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:03:43am

re: #155 ObserverArt

Only 10%?

Damn, how is Joel 0$teen gonna make the next mortgage payment on his $10 million mansion with only 10%. Nope, the marks gotta give more….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:03:55am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

I recall seeing Trump Steaks at The Sharper Image, but damn, that would’ve been around 20+ years ago.

Yeah a long time ago. And the vodka drinkers in my family have always preferred Absolut.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:04:45am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I remember taking philosophy class as a junior in high school and it was so funny to see the people who had taken conservative positions on bio-ethical issues like choice, physician aided suicide, the death penalty, etc love Ayn Rand’s message.

I had a room mate at Indiana University who was big into Ayn Rand, it was the first time I was really exposed to her philosophy and I decided that if human beings were all hatched out a fully formed adults without defects or disorders who could be fitted with a basic education chip and then sent out to realize our potential as individuals, then her philosophy would be the ideal approach.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:04:56am

How to prove to me you’re a crackpot: “All my beliefs are inspired from reading Atlas Shrugged.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:05:22am

re: #158 Belafon

“I hate Obamacare but I love the ACA.”

the same people who want you to keep your government hands off their Medicare

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:05:37am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had a room mate at Indiana University who was big into Ayn Rand, it was the first time I was really exposed to her philosophy and I decided that if human beings were all hatched out a fully formed adults without defects or disorders who could be fitted with a basic education chip and then sent out to realize our potential as individuals, then her philosophy would be the ideal approach.

Her philosophy is just so unpractical. She experienced Leninism and somehow came up with something equally repugnant.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:06:08am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the same people who want you to keep your government hands off their Medicare

Or insist they made it without government help while talking about getting Pell Grants.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:06:13am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

I recall seeing Trump Steaks at The Sharper Image, but damn, that would’ve been around 20+ years ago.

I was dumb enough to buy them for Mom and Dad. Mom called me and said that they were the worst steaks she ever even looked at AND she said they tasted like dead elephant dicks…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:09:05am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:09:11am

re: #128 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon and Grandma Mitchell both recounted the terror of that epidemic. Grandma Bacon worked at the Navy Department. People were in an absolute panic. Grandma would see several people come to work, starting to cough, collapse at their desks or work stations, deep blue skin color.

Grandma Mitchell said she thought of the Black Plague, people dying and placed in mass graves…

As for that asshole Pulpit Pimp Copeland, she deserves multiple Darwin Awards…

Of course, the problem here is that the vaccine would not protect against a new flu, that came out of nowhere. After all, even this year, the vaccine has been ineffective.
People died so quickly during the pandemic and the same problem will likely arise if a variety of this disease recurred. By the second year, they may have a vaccine, though as long as Trump (or any Republican) is in the WH, would there be sufficient resources to develop a vaccine?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:09:33am

Another way to tell someone’s crazy. “Ron Paul makes a lot of sense to me.” Goddamn, thank goodness my brother left that phase and became more or less a social democrat.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:10:13am

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

Did Jesus hate the poor? Yet Republicans claim to be Christians. They never pass up an opportunity to screw poor people.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:11:03am

re: #121 lawhawk

The memo will get released to the dull thud of it being a nothingburger

I like Hoarse Whisperer’s suggestion of calling it a ‘nunesburger.’

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:13:23am

re: #151 dangerman

It’s good to see that the vast majority of Americans aren’t being fooled by this game that the GOP is playing to protect this odious, unqualified President.

Trump is dumb but he’s not so dumb that he doesn’t understand that Mueller is going to have him for lunch if he gets to interview him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:14:48am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Her philosophy is just so unpractical. She experienced Leninism and somehow came up with something equally repugnant.

Reading her biography, one must note that she was also emotionally stunted and sociopathic, that is reflected in her total disdain for human weaknesses.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:14:50am

re: #172 Patricia Kayden

Did Jesus hate the poor? Yet Republicans claim to be Christians. They never pass up an opportunity to screw poor people.

According to Radical Christians, Jesus DOES hate the poor, people of color, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, liberals, Democrats and especially them gays and lesbians…

I remember as a kid when churches proclaimed Jesus Loves You, but when the Religious Right got fired up thanks to money from Richard Mellon Scaife, The Bass and Hunt families from Texas and The Coors from Colorado the message changed first to “Jesus Hates Gays and Lesbians” and then more people got added to the KKKristian Shit List…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:15:05am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had a room mate at Indiana University who was big into Ayn Rand, it was the first time I was really exposed to her philosophy and I decided that if human beings were all hatched out a fully formed adults without defects or disorders who could be fitted with a basic education chip and then sent out to realize our potential as individuals, then her philosophy would be the ideal approach.

I read Atlas Shrugged during my first real job outside of school. Except for one character (Eddie?), I found her villains despicable and her heroes detestable, without a single redeeming characteristic. The train crash that she justified was appalling beyond words — and anyone who, as an adult, supports her ideology is clearly a sociopath.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:15:19am

re: #141 Joe Bacon 🌹

What boils my blood is seeing family members Facebook posts pushing the deregulation bullshit—even saying “You don’t need Government Regulations when you have Jesus…”

I remind them that Dad ‘s hand was crushed in an accident and he lost a couple fingers from that since there were no safety inspectors before OSHA. They still reply with the Jesus bullshit…

who’s to say jesus doesnt want government regulations?
….i sent you a boat and a helicopter…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:16:08am

re: #172 Patricia Kayden

Did Jesus hate the poor? Yet Republicans claim to be Christians. They never pass up an opportunity to screw poor people.

Part of their belief system is that God made America the Land of Opportunity and anybody here who is poor is so because they are lazy or immoral.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:16:37am

re: #178 dangerman

who’s to say jesus doesnt want government regulations?
….i sent you a boat and a helicopter…

…but gays were on that boat and a lesbian was flying the helicopter….

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:16:44am

re: #176 Joe Bacon 🌹

According to Radical Christians, Jesus DOES hate the poor, people of color, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, liberals, Democrats and especially them gays and lesbians…

I remember as a kid when churches proclaimed Jesus Loves You, but when the Religious Right got fired up thanks to money from Richard Mellon Scaife, The Bass and Hunt families from Texas and The Coors from Colorado the message changed first to “Jesus Hates Gays and Lesbians” and then more people got added to the KKKristian Shit List…

The entire point of the Good Samaritan was that “others” could be better followers of what it means to be a good person than those in the group claiming the status.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:17:39am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:19:24am

re: #181 Belafon

The entire point of the Good Samaritan was that “others” could be better followers of what it means to be a good person than those in the group claiming the status.

That Roman centurion, too, IIRC

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:19:40am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Exactly. That’s a better way of what I was saying.

two ways of looking at the same idea
you were using history - perfectly valid
i took it from why we use procedures and checklists in scuba diving and flying, etc

use the checklist and nothing ever goes wrong. then we get too comfortable - since nothing ever goes wrong why use the checklist? then we slip up, hopefully non fatally and not too expensively and say “oh yeah, right”

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:20:33am

re: #140 MsJ

Mmmm…hoe cakes!

(what’s a hoe cake? :D )

They’re a kind of cornbread pancake. The movie Hollywood Shufflehad so many great lines that come back to me over and over through the years. It’s been a long week and I was just thinking: can’t wait for a glass of wine tonight. And then:

Robert Townsend’s character daydreams of stardom and what will happen to the boss he hates:

Everybody loves ho cakes

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:22:18am

re: #168 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was dumb enough to buy them for Mom and Dad. Mom called me and said that they were the worst steaks she ever even looked at AND she said they tasted like dead elephant dicks…

um, erm, how…..nevermind

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wheat-dogg  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:23:20am

So, I have emerged from my 200-page proofreading gig with a sense of relief, and a sense or horror. The stock market has declined, the crypto markets are in a tailspin, North Korea seems nervous, Trump and Nunes seem to be working at cross-purposes, and the groundhog predicts six more week of winter.

Did I leave anything out?

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:25:04am

re: #169 Dr. Matt

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Wow. I feel for the father, but he should realize he may have just added to his daughters trauma by seeing their dad fly off and then get tackled by the officers.

What a mess.

I saw a report yesterday at ESPN where Nassar’s one female lawyer said she doubted the number of young ladies that claimed they were abused. I think she said something to the effect of “I can’t see 150 to 200+ victims, it is not possible to get away with that without someone knowing. I think there are some remembering things that did not happen based on what others have said.”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:25:51am

re: #182 Dr. Matt

I gotta admit, that thought has crossed my mind over the last few days; maybe they have an inkling something big is about to drop.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:28:49am

re: #188 ObserverArt

Wow. I feel for the father, but he should realize he may have just added to his daughters trauma by seeing their dad fly off and then get tackled by the officers.

Or, alternately, they see dad as a hero (I would) for trying to slay the dragon.

(assuming dad wasn’t one of those who ignored their kids initial reports)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:28:51am

re: #187 wheat-dogg

So, I have emerged from my 200-page proofreading gig with a sense of relief, and a sense or horror. The stock market has declined, the crypto markets are in a tailspin, North Korea seems nervous, Trump and Nunes seem to be working at cross-purposes, and the groundhog predicts six more week of winter.

Did I leave anything out?

Yeah…..apparently, the Galactic Empire has made Frankfurt Airport their European forward operations base.

Imperial Troops at Frankfurt airport-Star Wars VII

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:29:18am

re: #184 dangerman

two ways of looking at the same idea
you were using history - perfectly valid
i took it from why we use procedures and checklists in scuba diving and flying, etc

use the checklist and nothing ever goes wrong. then we get too comfortable - since nothing ever goes wrong why use the checklist? then we slip up, hopefully non fatally and not too expensively and say “oh yeah, right”

Yep. I actually used to intern in the Dulles ATC tower. Man that’s a job we take for granted.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:31:09am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Faith-healing megachurch pastor Gloria Copeland is urging her followers not to get flu shots. Jesus will provide and all.

rawstory.com

Her church was the source of a major measles outbreak a few years ago.

My wife is in bed sick with the flu because she won’t get a flu shot. She has a needle phobia, so, even as bad as she feels, she still won’t get a flu shot next season either.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:32:32am

re: #190 MsJ

Or, alternately, they see dad as a hero (I would) for trying to slay the dragon.

(assuming dad wasn’t one of those who ignored their kids initial reports)

I think there were some sobs heard as the cops got him to the floor. Since the daughters were right by the microphone I figured it was them. They might have been thinking dad was going off to jail. I just don’t think that was needed to be seen by them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:34:45am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One anti-vaxx gang is claiming that the flu shot will cause Alzheimer’s, deliberately targeting an especially vulnerable population with their homicidal bullshit. They should have the Julius Streicher chair at the upcoming tribunal.

Unfortunately vaccines aren’t real effective with the elderly because their immune systems are already starting to fail. That’s why its important for everyone else to get vaccinated to provide herd immunity to the more vulnerable populations, such as the very young and the very old.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:36:01am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

It really is a bad poster.

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A good movie though.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:36:57am

re: #193 Big Beautiful Door

There are other ways to administer the flu “shot”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:37:58am

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

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Cuz you know… walls can keep out disease!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:38:36am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This will not end well.
1918 flu pandemic
My grandmother was 10 at the time. Six of her twenty-five classmates, and their teacher, died during the epidemic.

My grandfather died in the 1918 pandemic. My father was born 4 months later, an “anchor baby.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:39:14am

re: #195 Big Beautiful Door

Unfortunately vaccines aren’t real effective with the elderly because their immune systems are already starting to fail. That’s why its important for everyone else to get vaccinated to provide herd immunity to the more vulnerable populations, such as the very young and the very old.

Because as much as we tout and promote individualism and individual initiative, we are still collective beings to a great extent.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:40:15am

re: #198 GlutenFreeJesus

During the flu pandemic, towns actually tried to keep outsiders out by barring them from coming into town. Except, that is, for the mailman. And they got the flu.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:41:11am

re: #176 Joe Bacon 🌹

According to Radical Christians, Jesus DOES hate the poor, people of color, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, liberals, Democrats and especially them gays and lesbians…

I remember as a kid when churches proclaimed Jesus Loves You, but when the Religious Right got fired up thanks to money from Richard Mellon Scaife, The Bass and Hunt families from Texas and The Coors from Colorado the message changed first to “Jesus Hates Gays and Lesbians” and then more people got added to the KKKristian Shit List…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:41:30am

Shorter FBI Director Wray:
Of course I keep notes of conversations with the President.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:44:43am

re: #201 Belafon

During the flu pandemic, towns actually tried to keep outsiders out by barring them from coming into town. Except, that is, for the mailman. And they got the flu.

There was a small town of immigrant railway workers near our school in northwestern PA. It was so completely wiped out that it disappeared completely from maps and memory. A few years ago the remains of a wooden memorial was found over a mass grave, and it was restored by with a steel cross.

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BigPapa  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:44:55am

Lizards! The Memo is released!

The Memo Redacted
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:46:30am

re: #78 Barefoot Grin

Oh shit!

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Oh man, that guy was wasted!

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BigPapa  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:47:25am

Wait, I think this is the one:

The RickRoll Memo
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BigPapa  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:48:48am

Wait… this one?

The Ransom Memo
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:49:19am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I’d love to see the behind the scenes emails at the RNC as Trump won primary after primary.

Of course it all worked out for them in the end. Trump has governed as a hard right establishment Republican; turn’s out that what the Republicans needed to get their unpopular corporatist agenda enacted was added racism.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:51:18am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

I call it the Paradox of Modernity. As we get further from the past, we forget why we have things that have created our present which in an unrelated note, I think is why you see so many young people get drawn to the Nazis and white supremacists these days. WWII is a distant event for them. So too were the days before work safety regulations.

I, on the other hand, know my mother was terrorized by fucking nazis as a small child during the Blitz.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:51:22am

re: #207 BigPapa

Wait, I think this is the one:

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We build time machines and travel back to the Founding Fathers:
“How’s it all working out?”
“Well, we have made a more inclusive society, allowing blacks, women, and others full participation in our society.”
“OK.”
“We had a hiccup, with the election of Donald Trump, who was helped by the Russians. Your EC, which was supposed to prevent this, proved instrumental in getting him elected.”
“A shortcoming, but you got through it, and I wouldn’t want to change history.”
“Let me tell you about Rickrolling.”
“OK guys, we fucked up. Scrap it all!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:53:16am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

The anti-Trump Russia investigation is totally biased and partisan since both Democrats and Republicans contributed to it and oh by the way here is our totally unbiased Nunes memo which got out of committee on partyline vote, which debunks the whole thing and you should totally accept it as gospel truth.

Obviously it won’t sway any but the faithful. The question is whether Trump will use it to justify firing Rosenstein so he can put a loyalist in charge of Mueller.

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BigPapa  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:53:44am

Sorry, I’m just so excited to read this earth shattering schmemo, maybe I should be a little more skeptical and cross check. Sad.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:55:10am

3D printing is really slow.

It looks like my glass print bed is slipping a little bit. I have it taped down. Maybe I need to glue it into place.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:55:36am

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

I say it like this. He would have to be next or our way of life is in far worse peril than if the FBI is kept intact and unmolested.
Top o my twitter this morning.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:56:17am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

There was a small town of immigrant railway workers near our school in northwestern PA. It was so completely wiped out that it disappeared completely from maps and memory. A few years ago the remains of a wooden memorial was found over a mass grave, and it was restored by with a steel cross.

A more accurate description of the outbreak, perhaps more grim. Local press and folklore had the location as a permanent railway camp rather than a more settled community of support workers:

butlerhistory.com

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austin_blue  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:59:40am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He released the memo himself. This is all Nunes had.

But the Steele Dossier was begun by was begun by R’s as Oppo research until JEB! realized he wasn’t going to get the nom and then picked by Hill’s campaign after they were told about it in spring/early summer of 2016 by which time it was nearly complete.

Trump is embracing a conspiracy theory as complex and stupid as “9/11 Was An Inside Job! Fire Can’t Melt Steel!”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 7:59:46am

Someone obviously had some disturbing “perp walk” dreams last night

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:00:36am

re: #128 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon and Grandma Mitchell both recounted the terror of that epidemic. Grandma Bacon worked at the Navy Department. People were in an absolute panic. Grandma would see several people come to work, starting to cough, collapse at their desks or work stations, deep blue skin color.

Grandma Mitchell said she thought of the Black Plague, people dying and placed in mass graves…

As for that asshole Pulpit Pimp Copeland, she deserves multiple Darwin Awards…

Would not surprise me a bit if she got the flu shot for herself.

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austin_blue  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:01:55am

re: #214 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

3D printing is really slow.

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It looks like my glass print bed is slipping a little bit. I have it taped down. Maybe I need to glue it into place.

Is someone making a Tardis?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:03:09am

re: #220 austin_blue

Is someone making a Tardis?

It’s much bigger on the inside. Takes a while to print.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:06:34am

re: #220 austin_blue

Is someone making a Tardis?

A police box pen holder. Unfortunately it’s a little bit deformed because the glass moved a bit. It might be because I didn’t heat the 2nd nozzle, so it would be more likely to nudge the object being printed.

Thingiverse has a lot of Doctor Who 3D printer files.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:08:06am

re: #197 Shropshire Slasher

There are other ways to administer the flu “shot”

The nasal spray is not recommended this year, but there is one with a jet injector option (think Dr. McCoy on Star Trek).

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:09:38am

re: #219 Big Beautiful Door

Would not surprise me a bit if she got the flu shot for herself.

That was my first thought, too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:10:54am

re: #151 dangerman

recent monmouth poll:

100% of Trump’s lawyers agree it would be fucking insane to let Trump be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:11:34am

This is, indeed, a weird talking point. It’s the intel professionals who are arguing against the release of the memo, not journalists.

More misdirection.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:13:12am

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

100% of Trump’s lawyers agree it would be fucking insane to let Trump be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators.

Trump’s the kind of person who, if he were innocent, would brag about committing crimes if he saw the other people getting excited at the stories. Mueller’s people could easily get Trump to brag about what he’s gotten away with.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:14:45am

re: #226 makeitstop

This is, indeed, a weird talking point. It’s the intel professionals who are arguing against the release of the memo, not journalists.

More misdirection.

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scottslemmons  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:15:53am

re: #226 makeitstop

This is, indeed, a weird talking point. It’s the intel professionals who are arguing against the release of the memo, not journalists.

More misdirection.

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She’s a WSJ columnist who has a book about how THE LEFT is silencing FREEZE PEACH.

IOW, just another dishonest Trumper.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:16:09am

re: #215 Big Beautiful Door

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Teukka  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:16:22am

re: #181 Belafon

The entire point of the Good Samaritan was that “others” could be better followers of what it means to be a good person than those in the group claiming the status.

“On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life’s roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life’s highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.”

— Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:16:42am

re: #229 scottslemmons

She’s a WSJ columnist who has a book about how THE LEFT is silencing FREEZE PEACH.

IOW, just another dishonest Trumper.

There must be a deal where every wingnut pundit gets to write a book about how THE LEFT is silencing all the free speech and conservatives can’t speak out, etc.

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scottslemmons  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:18:02am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

There must be a deal where every wingnut pundit gets to write a book about how THE LEFT is silencing all the free speech and conservatives can’t speak out, etc.

Why can’t we just be nicer to Tiki Torch Nazis and let them kill all the brown people? So unfair. :(

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:18:05am

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

I, on the other hand, know my mother was terrorized by fucking nazis as a small child during the Blitz.

And I know about my grandparents cousins who were too. We’re relatively unique though as non Jewish-Americans who can point to that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:18:09am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

There must be a deal where every wingnut pundit gets to write a book about how THE LEFT is silencing all the free speech and conservatives can’t speak out, etc.

Just how are these books getting published if THE LEFT is silencing these nutjobs?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:18:28am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

There must be a deal where every wingnut pundit gets to write a book about how THE LEFT is silencing all the free speech and conservatives can’t speak out, etc.

because they cannot distinguish between legal and personal/financial consequences of their speech.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:18:50am

re: #187 wheat-dogg

So, I have emerged from my 200-page proofreading gig with a sense of relief, and a sense or horror. The stock market has declined, the crypto markets are in a tailspin, North Korea seems nervous, Trump and Nunes seem to be working at cross-purposes, and the groundhog predicts six more week of winter.

Did I leave anything out?

The silver lining is that one of the reasons the stock market is down today is because workers got bigger raises in January, so they anticipate more aggressive interest rate tightening by the Fed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:19:11am

re: #226 makeitstop

This is, indeed, a weird talking point. It’s the intel professionals who are arguing against the release of the memo, not journalists.

More misdirection.

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She’s being obtuse on purpose.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:19:57am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

There must be a deal where every wingnut pundit gets to write a book about how THE LEFT is silencing all the free speech and conservatives can’t speak out, etc.

Seriously bunch of goddamned broken records.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:20:34am
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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:21:01am

re: #228 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Don’t be shocked. Look at her twitter page. Wall Street Journal and a book about how the left silences freezepeach.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:21:22am

re: #229 scottslemmons

She’s a WSJ columnist who has a book about how THE LEFT is silencing FREEZE PEACH.

IOW, just another dishonest Trumper.

Crap…I was late to the party. :-D

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:21:35am

re: #233 scottslemmons

Why can’t we just be nicer to Tiki Torch Nazis and let them kill all the brown people? So unfair. :(

It’s so bigoted to call out bigotry. My motto is say what you want to but if you’re a bigot, I’ll gladly call it out.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:21:47am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

She’s being obtuse on purpose.

Maybe even isosceles.
/Hurrhurr!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:24:21am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because as much as we tout and promote individualism and individual initiative, we are still collective beings to a great extent.

And we always have been. The rugged individual bullshit from the right has always been bullshit. Homo Sapiens have always lived and died together, as a community.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:24:44am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Maybe even isosceles.
/Hurrhurr!

You’re triangling too hard!

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:25:17am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yep. I actually used to intern in the Dulles ATC tower. Man that’s a job we take for granted.

private piloting has got sides and factions just like politics
learn in the northeast and its heavy radio, constant contact with someone, and watch your position. i was always looking for flight following even in uncontrolled airspace and was always slightly hesitant landing at a (gasp) uncontrolled airport.

learn, say in the midwest, away from a city, it’s the exact opposite. mostly free air and cooperation with the other pilots. not a lot of big brother / faa watching. and as i heard it time and again, folks like that wouldnt consider venturing into the ny/nj area -
way way too many “rules and regulations” - and that sectional map!

yup. privates the controllers. yeah that’ll work

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:25:55am

re: #245 Big Beautiful Door

And we always have been. The rugged individual bullshit from the right has always been bullshit. Homo Sapiens have always lived and died together, as a community.

That’s been what my brother tells me too. He reads about indigenous people and how they work together based on their unique abilities.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:26:03am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

A good movie though.

A good movie though.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:26:28am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

A good movie though.

A good movie though.

(ok i’ll stop)

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CongoJack  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:26:59am

re: #240 FormerDirtDart

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Yay! Radiation… *sigh*

Fuck these fucks. Obama tried to do Superman 4 and these bastards are going full Zod.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:27:24am
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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:27:55am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because as much as we tout and promote individualism and individual initiative, we are still collective beings to a great extent.

that pesky “general welfare” they stuck in the preamble, of all places

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:28:10am

re: #252 MsJ

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This is an interesting part. I’d love to see the NRA ruined by this.

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CongoJack  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:28:33am

re: #250 dangerman

Filmed in my wife’s hometown - Woodstock, IL. She got Bill Murray’s autograph while they were filming.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:28:44am

I wonder what conditions are like in The White House right now…ground zero.

Tense would be the word I would probably use.

There are probably different factions gathered in different areas all trying to stay away form The Don.

I hope some are considering how stupid this all is and how they can turn in their resignations next week. Doubt there are many, but there might be a conscience or two spinning trying to come to grips with it all.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:29:02am

re: #250 dangerman

A good movie though.

(ok i’ll stop)

Well, there’s that echo chamber we were hearing about last night.

Also - OOOOOOH

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:30:42am

re: #257 makeitstop

Has the SCOTUS ever ruled on whether or not a sitting President could be indicted?

AFAIK, they never have. That particular question was dodged by Nixon’s resignation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:30:45am

re: #255 CongoJack

Filmed in my wife’s hometown - Woodstock, IL. She got Bill Murray’s autograph while they were filming.

My boss was recommending it to one of our clerks. It’s iconic. That poster is bad but I do remember it catching my eye.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:31:06am
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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:32:26am

re: #260 MsJ

Only because it’s gonna blow up in their faces.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:32:53am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

Has the SCOTUS ever ruled on whether or not a sitting President could be indicted?

AFAIK, they never have. That particular question was dodged by Nixon’s resignation.

Wonder if the same religious right activists that demanded Justice Ginsburg step aside on SSM will for Gorsuch since Trump appointed him but wait that’s only for judges they know will rule against them.

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BigPapa  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:33:36am

This isn’t gutter partisan politics. This is scorched/salted earth. They are desperate to cover for they’re own complicity, not just protect Trump. Strap in it’s going to get messy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:33:38am

re: #227 Belafon

Trump’s the kind of person who, if he were innocent, would brag about committing crimes if he saw the other people getting excited at the stories. Mueller’s people could easily get Trump to brag about what he’s gotten away with.

Not to mention that Trump would tell so many lies his indictment would be the size of a phone book.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:34:45am

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

100% of Trump’s lawyers agree it would be fucking insane to let Trump be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators.

yeah i know

my money’s still on the ego that thinks he can take mueller

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:35:51am

re: #265 dangerman

yeah i know

my money’s still on the ego that think’s he can take mueller

We could probably taunt him into testifying.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:36:06am

re: #265 dangerman

yeah i know

my money’s still on the ego that think’s he can take mueller

Yep. Trump’s a narcissist who believes he’s the smartest man in the world. This is why he didn’t have the sense to keep a low profile like most con-men know to do.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:36:43am
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Weaselone  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:38:49am

Trump’s entire goal is to have the entire government staffed by only the rank and vile.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:39:09am

re: #10 DodgerFan1988

“It’s not racist for wanting your family safe from hispanic murderers, terrorists, and pedophiles!”

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Local candidate, in the panhandle? Because I can’t imagine that is going to win many voters the further south you go.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:39:33am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

And I know about my grandparents cousins who were too. We’re relatively unique though as non Jewish-Americans who can point to that.

Plenty of Americans have relative who had to fight in Europe, but that generation is almost gone now, and these twenty something khaki wearing neo-nazi punks don’t know them. They might as well be the generation of Americans who saved the Union during the Civil War, now denounced as oppressors by the neo-confederates who took over the GOP.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:39:43am

re: #268 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:39:48am

The sick irony is that if anything the FBI at least NY office had people very hostile towards Clinton. Trump is the most undemocratic leader this country has had.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:40:50am
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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:42:04am

re: #9 teleskiguy

Any of you lizards… If conscripted by a state or federal government, would you shoot a condemned prisoner in the back of the head?

No. Partly because I oppose the death penalty, partly because I oppose conscription. And even if I were to support the death penalty, that is a terrible way to go about it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:42:09am

re: #271 Big Beautiful Door

Plent of Americans have relative who had to fight in Europe, but that generation is almost gone now, and these twenty something khaki wearing neo-nazi punks don’t know them. They might as well be the generation of Americans who saved the Union during the Civil War, now denounced as oppressors by the neo-confederates who took over the GOP.

Right but I mean people like you and me who had family who were on the civilian side but you’re right about the khaki Nazis. I knew my great uncle who was in WWII fairly well and I remember vividly a classmate’s grandfather, a D Day vet speaking to us in 1994. Back then I didn’t know the details of D Day but knew it was important.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:42:20am

re: #268 MsJ

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:43:16am

re: #272 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Investigations ARE NOT SACRED! They are not religious ceremonies, they are part of the law enforcement and legal process.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:44:12am

re: #241 MsJ

Don’t be shocked. Look at her twitter page. Wall Street Journal and a book about how the left silences freezepeach.

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i am so not ever going onto twitter
much safer here in lgf world {shudders and breathes slowly}

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Jay C  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:45:17am

re: #263 BigPapa

This isn’t gutter partisan politics. This is scorched/salted earth. They are desperate to cover for they’re own complicity, not just protect Trump. Strap in it’s going to get messy.

Yep. As burnt-and-salted as one of Trump’s steak dinners. I think a lot of Republicans are starting to see he handwriting on the wall - by a big, fiery middle finger - unfortunately, not enough of them…..

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:45:56am

re: #277 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Like I’ve said before, the USA’s gonna need a combo of something like the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of post-apartheid South Africa and the post-WWII Nuremberg Tribunal.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:46:01am

Here we go…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:46:11am

re: #278 KGxvi

Investigations ARE NOT SACRED! They are not religious ceremonies, they are part of the law enforcement and legal process.

He’s using words that easily manipulate his evangelical base.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:46:20am

re: #255 CongoJack

Filmed in my wife’s hometown - Woodstock, IL. She got Bill Murray’s autograph while they were filming.

really? how many times?
[ok now i’m really done]

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:47:32am

re: #282 makeitstop

Here we go…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:47:57am

It really says a lot about the GOO base that they value Trump over Mueller.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:48:03am
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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:48:33am

re: #264 Big Beautiful Door

Not to mention that Trump would tell so many lies his indictment would be the size of a phone book FISA application.

just for fun

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:49:40am

re: #287 MsJ

Didn’t Trump congratulate Erdogan for his ballot victory last year that effectively made him a constitutional dictator?

Fuck, there’s a term I never thought I’d utter.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:50:06am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

Has the SCOTUS ever ruled on whether or not a sitting President could be indicted?

AFAIK, they never have. That particular question was dodged by Nixon’s resignation.

No, they haven’t. I do know that the Kentucky Supreme Court held that the Governor cannot be indicted for a state criminal offense while he is in office, but of course that has no precedential value in regards to the President.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:50:06am
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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:50:21am

re: #10 DodgerFan1988

“It’s not racist for wanting your family safe from hispanic murderers, terrorists, and pedophiles!”

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“It’s not racist for wanting your family safe from hispanic murderers, terrorists, and pedophiles!”

now it’s mostly not racist

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:50:57am

re: #287 MsJ

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See, Trump does read!//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:51:26am

We have a government at war with itself and the citizens it is supposed to serve.

This is not America.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:51:50am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

See, Trump does read!//

I believe Erdogen told Trump last year.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:52:13am

re: #295 Belafon

I believe Erdogen told Trump last year.

I know.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:52:51am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:53:01am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

There was a small town of immigrant railway workers near our school in northwestern PA. It was so completely wiped out that it disappeared completely from maps and memory. A few years ago the remains of a wooden memorial was found over a mass grave, and it was restored by with a steel cross.

Is that the one outside of Butler (don’t remember the town name)? They have a cross and plaque there in memorial of the mass grave of people that died in the pandemic.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:55:21am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:56:23am

re: #277 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

WARNING. This is an unambiguous threat intelligence indicator: Trump is going to try to decapitate justice & FBI leadership … very soon. Perhaps within hours of Nunes letter’s release.

this is not really different from gwb saying to yoo et al - write me some memos that say torture’s ok

its a self serving way to say “see, here’s why we can do _____”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:56:29am

re: #285 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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No, there aren’t.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:57:12am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart

I suspect a number of people alive and paying attention in the early 1970s can describe exactly what it looks like.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:58:39am

I’ll reiterate what I’ve said: Our democracy isn’t dead until we give up on it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:59:19am

re: #303 Belafon

I’ll reiterate what I’ve said: Our democracy isn’t dead until we give up on it.

We’ve gotten through worse, done by people who were much smarter than Trump.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 8:59:22am

re: #290 Big Beautiful Door

No, they haven’t. I do know that the Kentucky Supreme Court held that the Governor cannot be indicted for a state criminal offense while he is in office, but of course that has no precedential value in regards to the President.

the interesting twist in this case will be that the underlying crimes got him the office
(not the obstruction, of course that came after)

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:00:57am

re: #297 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

This is a Fox News / Alex Jones Presidency. Too many sane people didn’t show up to outvote the crazies, so we got an insane President who’s cheered on by delusional supporters.

i.e. the R Congress

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:01:56am

re: #302 Belafon

I suspect a number of people alive and paying attention in the early 1970s can describe exactly what it looks like.

yup

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:06:09am

Stop Waiting For The Real Aziz Ansari (Andrea Grimes @ Medium)

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:06:17am

re: #247 dangerman

private piloting has got sides and factions just like politics
learn in the northeast and its heavy radio, constant contact with someone, and watch your position. i was always looking for flight following even in uncontrolled airspace and was always slightly hesitant landing at a (gasp) uncontrolled airport.

learn, say in the midwest, away from a city, it’s the exact opposite. mostly free air and cooperation with the other pilots. not a lot of big brother / faa watching. and as i heard it time and again, folks like that wouldnt consider venturing into the ny/nj area -
way way too many “rules and regulations” - and that sectional map!

yup. privates the controllers. yeah that’ll work

I flew in the 1970’s ’ 80’s. Ever see 16 Right, the documentary? Man I miss it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:07:03am

re: #297 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump is quoting Tom Fitton, a conspiracy theorist who called to shut down the FBI because it is a “KGB-style organization.” There’s no way to convey how dangerous, abnormal, and unhinged the White House has become

Didn’t Putin use to work for the KGB?

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:07:34am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:07:57am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:08:30am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Didn’t Putin use to work for the KGB?

If by “work for” you mean “was in charge of”.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:09:04am

re: #302 Belafon

I suspect a number of people alive and paying attention in the early 1970s can describe exactly what it looks like.

Last live shots were in ‘92. I would expect there are still “chefs” around who know how to bake a cake, or at least think they do. But, what apparatus is still around to build the stove?

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:09:34am

re: #290 Big Beautiful Door

No, they haven’t. I do know that the Kentucky Supreme Court held that the Governor cannot be indicted for a state criminal offense while he is in office, but of course that has no precedential value in regards to the President.

The Kentucky ruling could serve as persuasive precedent - meaning the Court could use it as a guidepost, should they ever hear a case on the issue, but it is by no means binding. Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 of the Constitution says this about impeachment and indictments:

Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Now, one way to read that is that impeachment and conviction in the Senate must come first because of the phrase “but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable…” That sort of fits with the idea of sovereign immunity as it has traditionally been applied. But then there’s the Clinton precedent in the 90s - sovereign immunity used to stay civil matters against the president until he was out of office, but the Court took that protection away (rightly, I think, given modern legal procedures); there’s a possibility the Court could extend that ruling to criminal matters - especially if they rely on the idea that “in our system of government, no one is above the law.” And quite frankly, the second half of the 20th century saw the Courts roll back sovereign immunity in a lot of areas, so it would fit the trend.

I suspect the Court will also look at cases against federal judges who have been removed from the bench via impeachment following indictments and/or conviction (I believe there are cases like that).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:09:45am

re: #311 Ace-o-aces

This time the cops hauled a violent teacher off from school rather than an unruly student.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:10:22am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Didn’t Putin use to work for the KGB?

Yes and they admire him. It’s kind of like when they complain about something being McCarthyism but love the real McCarthy.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:10:35am

re: #302 Belafon

I suspect a number of people alive and paying attention in the early 1970s can describe exactly what it looks like.

I graduated high school in 1972. I unfortunately voted for Nixon. So, I was around and becoming aware.

There are big differences involved in my opinion.

Biggest is we didn’t have a media that took sides with the president. They pretty much covered the whole thing straight giving both sides views, but not cheering and campaigning for the president.

We of course didn’t have social media so that people could lie and deceive and fake numbers of people commenting and backing and all the stuff that is going on now.

Nixon was a dick, but he also understood politics and he didn’t blame whole groups of people…he kept his blame to opposing politicians and some of the media…but nowhere near as venomous as Trump. Nixon loved this country, Trump loves only himself. Nixon was proud and protective of his legacy. Trump is just an asshole and is protective of his butt.

My conclusion…the law breaking and investigations have similarities. Everything else is off the clock worse politically and sociologically. Trump is way crazier than Nixon by far in my opinion. No comparisons in the two presidents as far as makeup.

Whatever was bad about Nixon, Trump is out to trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:10:52am

re: #313 Ace-o-aces

If by “work for” you mean “was in charge of”.

He was the Berlin station chief I believe.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:12:21am
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ericblair  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:12:44am

re: #313 Ace-o-aces

If by “work for” you mean “was in charge of”.

No, after being a KGB agent in Germany he got involved in local politics in Leningrad. Learned how to do corruption properly in the new environment, and that’s where a lot of his current oligarch pals are from.

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CongoJack  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:13:14am

re: #311 Ace-o-aces

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Lafayette, just down the road from me. Smaller community. I am not surprised.

My wife is a teacher - I’ve mentioned that before - and a ton of them are evangelical Rs. The only good news is the bulk of them were not in favor of tRump and went ballistic when Devos was put in charge of the Ed Dept.

But what ya gonna do CO - you have the lowest $ per student funding (other than the deep south). That weed money shouldn’t just to go building schools but paying staff and getting more services.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:13:16am

re: #320 makeitstop

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Also ignores that Rosenstein WAS appointed by Trump. Nunes is just another Trump toady desperate to get Trump’s love.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:13:22am

re: #318 ObserverArt

I graduated high school in 1972. I unfortunately voted for Nixon. So, I was around and becoming aware.

Nixon won 60% of the vote in 1972, lots of people voted for him. Same with Reagan in ‘84.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:13:28am

re: #318 ObserverArt

I graduated high school in 1972. I unfortunately voted for Nixon. So, I was around and becoming aware.

There are big differences involved in my opinion.

Nixon was not on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:13:43am

re: #321 ericblair

No, after being a KGB agent in Germany he got involved in local politics in Leningrad. Learned how to do corruption properly in the new environment, and that’s where a lot of his current oligarch pals are from.

That’s right.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:13:52am

re: #309 Unshaken Defiance

I flew in the 1970’s ’ 80’s. Ever see 16 Right, the documentary? Man I miss it.

i’ll track it down for sure.
early 90’s for me - after my first “retirement”
then life changed and it got out of reach
if i ever win the lotto (quite i feat cause i dont play), my dream plane is a riley super skyrocket

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:14:04am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Didn’t Putin use to work for the KGB?

I believe he was a KGB colonel.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:14:11am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nixon was not on Twitter.

Nixon was actually intelligent.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:14:37am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nixon was not on Twitter.

Nixon didn’t have state sponsored propaganda networks (television, radio and print).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:15:10am

re: #328 Big Beautiful Door

I believe he was a KGB colonel.

en.wikipedia.org

Lt Colonel. Had a pretty impressive rise there considering he was under 40 when the USSR collapsed.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:15:35am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart

Last live shots were in ‘92. I would expect there are still “chefs” around who know how to bake a cake, or at least think they do. But, what apparatus is still around to build the stove?

Since its not a real test but a political statement by Trump who is jealous that Kim has been playing with his toys and Trump hasn’t, they can do a bare bones test.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:15:56am

re: #330 MsJ

Nixon didn’t have state sponsored propaganda networks (television, radio and print).

That’s the biggest difference. Hell Rivera was even telling Hannity that it was regrettable (Rivera’s phrase not mine) that Nixon didn’t have a Hannity out there the way Trump does Hannity.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:16:13am

re: #321 ericblair

No, after being a KGB agent in Germany he got involved in local politics in Leningrad. Learned how to do corruption properly in the new environment, and that’s where a lot of his current oligarch pals are from.

Yeah, seems I was misinformed. Putin’s actual time in the KGB seems rather less exciting than I thought it would be.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:16:19am
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scottslemmons  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:16:32am

re: #332 Big Beautiful Door

Since its not a real test but a political statement by Trump who is jealous that Kim has been playing with his toys and Trump hasn’t, they can do a bare bones test.

They should invite Trump, his cabinet, his staff, and Congressional Republicans to come watch it in person. Up close.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:16:49am

re: #315 KGxvi

The Kentucky ruling could serve as persuasive precedent - meaning the Court could use it as a guidepost, should they ever hear a case on the issue, but it is by no means binding. Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 of the Constitution says this about impeachment and indictments:

Now, one way to read that is that impeachment and conviction in the Senate must come first because of the phrase “but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable…” That sort of fits with the idea of sovereign immunity as it has traditionally been applied. But then there’s the Clinton precedent in the 90s - sovereign immunity used to stay civil matters against the president until he was out of office, but the Court took that protection away (rightly, I think, given modern legal procedures); there’s a possibility the Court could extend that ruling to criminal matters - especially if they rely on the idea that “in our system of government, no one is above the law.” And quite frankly, the second half of the 20th century saw the Courts roll back sovereign immunity in a lot of areas, so it would fit the trend.

I suspect the Court will also look at cases against federal judges who have been removed from the bench via impeachment following indictments and/or conviction (I believe there are cases like that).

im counting on “can you hide behind the powers of an office you obtained illegally?”

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scottslemmons  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:17:25am

re: #335 Dave In Austin

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Article written by Strassel — see notes above. Just another Trumper.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:17:34am
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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:17:36am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:18:03am

re: #335 Dave In Austin

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You’re the second highest Republican in the Senate and you’re talking about “non-partisanship.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:18:55am

re: #338 scottslemmons

Article written by Strassel — see notes above. Just another Trumper.

Which includes whining at the media for being “biased” for acknowledging the FBI’s worry about the memo being released. Cornyn’s nothing but a Trump hack. Him and Cruz are seriously two of the worst pairs of senators in the coutnry.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:21:34am

re: #324 KGxvi

Nixon won 60% of the vote in 1972, lots of people voted for him. Same with Reagan in ‘84.

remember the bumper stickers “dont blame me, im from massachusetts”?

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garzooma  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:21:57am

re: #318 ObserverArt

Whatever was bad about Nixon, Trump is out to trump.

It’s much, much worse now. The Watergate burglars were behind bars, the operation was blown, and there was no prospect of it happening again. Now, the perpetrators are being protected by the traitors so that they can continue to commit crimes against Americans.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:22:12am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Which includes whining at the media for being “biased” for acknowledging the FBI’s worry about the memo being released. Cornyn’s nothing but a Trump hack. Him and Cruz are seriously two of the worst pairs of senators in the coutnry.

I never knew much about Cornyn, but I get the feeling he isn’t very bright. Lately he’s been saying stuff that makes me wonder how did he become a senator.

And then I remember he is from Texas.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:23:16am
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Teukka  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:23:20am

Is this the memo talked of?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:23:47am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:24:14am

re: #345 ObserverArt

I never knew much about Cornyn, but I get the feeling he isn’t very bright. Lately he’s been saying stuff that makes me wonder how did he become a senator.

And then I remember he is from Texas.

I think he’s honestly just a hack which is more dangerous than being stupid in some ways.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:24:16am

Rofl.

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:24:24am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:24:45am

re: #348 FormerDirtDart

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When Chuck Todd….

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:25:36am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

I think he’s honestly just a hack which is more dangerous than being stupid in some ways.

Oh he’s a hack for sure. But he is also not very sharp. He has said some really ignorant stuff lately.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:25:37am

This is it?
For reals?
/Freaking trolls.
xD

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:25:45am

So, their entire argument is “Carter Page was being investigated while part of Trump’s team?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:26:34am

re: #353 ObserverArt

Oh he’s a hack for sure. But he is also not very sharp. He has said some really ignorant stuff lately.

True that.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:26:37am
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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:26:48am

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:27:01am

re: #355 Belafon

So, their entire argument is “Carter Page was being investigated while part of Trump’s team?”

Carter Page who bragged about having Russia connections as early as 2013?!!? Way to go Devin.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:27:23am
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gocart mozart  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:27:26am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:27:30am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:27:31am

This is worse than Watergate? LOL go back to Hungary and stay “Dr.” Gorka.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:27:51am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart

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It looks for all the world like the Trumpites want to literally shut down the FBI and replace it with an Erik Prince contract spook service. If that happens, democracy and the rule of law are over. At that point, they would probably begin confiscating guns from “liberals” and other security risks, with the whole-hearted approval of the NRA.

They need to think long and hard though about what a big bunch of pissed off ex-FBI agents, or even a small bunch of the right ones, might be able to do in such a situation.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:28:00am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

This is worse than Watergate? LOL go back to Hungary and stay “Dr.” Gorka.

He can’t. He’ll be arrested there.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:28:08am
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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:28:35am

re: #355 Belafon

So, their entire argument is “Carter Page was being investigated while part of Trump’s team?”

If you want a good summation of the whole thing see the video from Ari Melber’s The Beat I posted late last night. Ari is good at breaking stuff down and making it clear what is actually going on.

littlegreenfootballs.comOP Rep. Matt Gaetz Defends Holocaust Denier Chuck C. Johnson, Denies He’s a Holocaust Denier - Comment #295

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:28:44am

We’ve been trolled.
GG, Devin.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:29:03am

re: #365 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He can’t. He’ll be arrested there.

I know. That’s why I want him to go back.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:29:53am

All that ReleasetheMemo. Don’t you look stupid now Trumpers? But you won’t learn ever because you’ve been fucking brainwashed by right wing propaganda. SAD!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:30:22am

Hey FBI, sic ‘em

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:30:30am

re: #201 Belafon

During the flu pandemic, towns actually tried to keep outsiders out by barring them from coming into town. Except, that is, for the mailman. And they got the flu.

really good novel based on that very premise (only, it wasn’t the mailman):
The Last Town on Earth by Thomas Mullen

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:30:31am

I am most amused.
SMH.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:31:00am

re: #336 scottslemmons

They should invite Trump, his cabinet, his staff, and Congressional Republicans to come watch it in person. Up close.

With a guided tour of the blast zone afterwards, like the old days.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:31:22am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

As a man, it’s easy for Brooks to have this attitude and I say that as a man.

I don’t mean to pick nits, but from everything of yours I have read here, as a man Brooks cannot hold a candle to you.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:31:36am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:31:43am

THAT’S NOT THE REAL MEMO111. ARKANCIDE!!!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:32:43am

OK… Here is is

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:32:51am

re: #337 dangerman

im counting on “can you hide behind the powers of an office you obtained illegally?”

That’s where the Clinton precedent would be most compelling. The civil claims against Clinton predated his presidency. And if there was evidence that the alleged crimes by Trump predated his presidency, it’d be a much more interesting case (and would allow the Court to narrowly tailor a ruling that they would hope wouldn’t need expanding). Also, US v Nixon dealing with the White House tapes would probably serve as compelling precedent.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:33:40am

Seriously? I’m supposed to outraged by that memo? Bwahahahaha!

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:33:56am

re: #343 dangerman

remember the bumper stickers “dont blame me, im from massachusetts”?

I was born in ‘78, so no, no I don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:34:32am

re: #375 Jebediah, RBG

I don’t mean to pick nits, but from everything of yours I have read here, as a man Brooks cannot hold a candle to you.

Heh thanks dude. Brooks is nothing but a concern troll. He should try to understand why choice is such an important issue to Democrats rather than demanding they drop it. Then again we’re talking about a patronizing prick who whines about Democrats liking exotic food. (Remember his stupid story about taking someone to the Italian deli).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:34:55am

re: #381 KGxvi

I was born in ‘78, so no, no I don’t.

I was only 13 at the time, but I recall even back then having enough political savvy to see that that McGovern was unelectable.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:35:01am

re: #354 Varek Raith

This is it?
For reals?
/Freaking trolls.
xD

i just fell off my chair and hurt myself (im a slow reader)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:35:17am

Worse than Watergate. I just can’t stop laughing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:35:18am

re: #368 Varek Raith

We’ve been trolled.
GG, Devin.

“We’ve” been trolled all along. And we knew it.

This whole thing is for “them” and they will buy it without so much as reading anything about it. And they know it.

Nunes is working to help Trump keep an angry base stirred up.

Somehow the Republicans think it is a winning game.

Trump sees it as his admirers tossing rose petals at his feet.

The danger is how far will the believers go to keep protecting Trump. Sadly, I think they are prepared to fight for him. Nunes and Ryan and Trump gang will be responsible for the carnage that may result.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:35:22am

NUNESBURGER

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:35:39am

I do not have that after memo glow.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:36:33am

re: #387 makeitstop

NUNESBURGER

If I was on Twitter right now, that would be a hashtag. If I was good (in an evil sort of way), I would be botting that.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:37:19am

re: #387 makeitstop

Hashtag it?

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S'latch  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:38:09am

re: #390 Dave In Austin

it’s already been done. search it.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:38:36am

re: #374 makeitstop

With a guided tour of the blast zone afterwards, like the old days.

…it happens fast so you’re gonna wanna look over in that direction to get the full feel of it

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:38:42am

As widely predicted, the famous memo is a nothing burger. Evidence uncovered by a private investigator is still evidence and must be turned over to law enforcement regardless of who paid the investigator.

“Your honor, the guy who photographed me burying the bodies and then told the cops where to find them was working for my ex-wife. His evidence should be thrown out!”

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:39:25am

Are we destroyed yet?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:40:23am

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

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LOL someone needs to tweet that to Geraldo.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:41:41am

re: #390 Dave In Austin

Hashtag it?

Not mine. I believe Hoarse Whisperer coined it.

It’s perfect, though.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:41:49am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

I think he’s honestly just a hack which is more dangerous than being stupid in some ways.

Just another TexAssHole….

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:42:36am

Here’s a fun takeaway I’m seeing upon first reading of the memo:

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:44:18am

re: #381 KGxvi

I was born in ‘78, so no, no I don’t.

popular during watergate because nixon had won 49 states, except mass.

there was a similar “…i voted for mcgovern”

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:44:24am

re: #398 JordanRules

Here’s a fun takeaway I’m seeing upon first reading of the memo:

Is anyone other than me waiting for Horse Whisperer’s read?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:44:57am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Worse than Watergate. I just can’t stop laughing.

And Teapot Dome and Fast&Furious combined.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:45:23am

Anyone have a decent link to the damn document/ Everywhere I have been going is slow or crashing…like gov.docs.

Or if you have the pdf, can you post it?

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:45:31am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Heh thanks dude. Brooks is nothing but a concern troll. He should try to understand why choice is such an important issue to Democrats everybody* rather than demanding they drop it. Then again we’re talking about a patronizing prick who whines about Democrats liking exotic food. (Remember his stupid story about taking someone to the Italian deli).

*even though no R would ever admit it

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:46:13am

re: #403 dangerman

*even though no R would ever admit it

Certainly.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:47:19am

re: #402 ObserverArt

Anyone have a decent link to the damn document/ Everywhere I have been going is slow or crashing…like gov.docs.

Or if you have the pdf, can you post it?

Found one!

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:48:17am

re: #394 bill d. (b.d.)

Are we destroyed yet?

lets face it - there’s a collective sigh of relief when the unknown becomes the known. until then imaginations run wild because it’s schrodinger’s memo

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:48:20am

re: #394 bill d. (b.d.)

Are we destroyed yet?

I feel destroyed, but I haven’t been getting enough sleep lately.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:49:08am

So when is Wray resigning?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:49:33am

re: #315 KGxvi

The Kentucky ruling could serve as persuasive precedent - meaning the Court could use it as a guidepost, should they ever hear a case on the issue, but it is by no means binding. Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 of the Constitution says this about impeachment and indictments:

Now, one way to read that is that impeachment and conviction in the Senate must come first because of the phrase “but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable…” That sort of fits with the idea of sovereign immunity as it has traditionally been applied. But then there’s the Clinton precedent in the 90s - sovereign immunity used to stay civil matters against the president until he was out of office, but the Court took that protection away (rightly, I think, given modern legal procedures); there’s a possibility the Court could extend that ruling to criminal matters - especially if they rely on the idea that “in our system of government, no one is above the law.” And quite frankly, the second half of the 20th century saw the Courts roll back sovereign immunity in a lot of areas, so it would fit the trend.

I suspect the Court will also look at cases against federal judges who have been removed from the bench via impeachment following indictments and/or conviction (I believe there are cases like that).

My concern is that the next time a Democrat is elected President (in 2020, I hope), the GOP will seek an indictment and criminal trial on any flimsy charge they can concoct. And how would it work, exactly, for the President of the U.S. to be on trial for a crime and possibly convicted and sentenced to prison time and still do his job? See the problem? The Republicans would use criminal law as an end-around their inability to impeach the President to try to force him or her from office.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:50:22am

re: #390 Dave In Austin

Hashtag it?

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harlequinade  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:50:43am

I’m going to be in and out (50th today. I want a weekend of being social) but, without wanting to be all Drama Llama, rather than say this is a nothingburger, can we not call it what it is: an attempt to subvert justice by a during president and a willing ruling party.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:51:53am

Phil just came out of his burrow again alerting us we got six more weeks of this shit coming down the pike…

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:51:53am

re: #304 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We’ve gotten through worse, done by people who were much smarter than Trump.

Examples?

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:52:08am

re: #398 JordanRules

Here’s a fun takeaway I’m seeing upon first reading of the memo:

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:52:55am

Wasn’t this supposed to destroy liberalism and the Democratic Party?

I’ll keep watching for Erik Prince and his goons to come up the driveway to confiscate my guns. Nothing so far.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:53:01am

re: #400 Belafon

Is anyone other than me waiting for Horse Whisperer’s read?

Dude could phone this one in and still be hysterical. It’ll take him 10 minutes. What a pathetic joke.

Truly, this is Geraldo’s empty vault.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:53:20am

re: #411 harlequinade

I’m going to be in and out (50th today. I want a weekend of being social) but, without wanting to be all Drama Llama, rather than say this is a nothingburger, can we not call it what it is: an attempt to subvert justice by a during president and a willing ruling party.

Happy Big One.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:54:18am

re: #409 Big Beautiful Door

My concern is that the next time a Democrat is elected President (in 2020, I hope), the GOP will seek an indictment and criminal trial on any flimsy charge they can concoct. And how would it work, exactly, for the President of the U.S. to be on trial for a crime and possibly convicted and sentenced to prison time and still do his job? See the problem? The Republicans would use criminal law as an end-around their inability to impeach the President to try to force him or her from office.

Except Republicans wouldn’t be able to file criminal charges, it would have to be the US Attorney’s Office. And they’re not going to just go file charges without evidence (they are lawyers after all, many of whom probably want to be judges at some point), which means the FBI or some other law enforcement agency is going to have to conduct an investigation and present evidence that a prosecutor would find sufficient to convene a grand jury.

It would basically have to work exactly like it is now. And until we see how this plays out, we don’t really know what the end result would be.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:54:33am

re: #415 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wasn’t this supposed to destroy liberalism and the Democratic Party?

I’ll keep watching for Erik Prince and his goons to come up the driveway to confiscate my guns. Nothing so far.

Might be your “This Side Towards Enemy” lawn ornaments.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:55:49am

So the consensus is

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:56:09am

re: #413 Skip Intro

Examples?

Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee. Richard Nixon.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:56:32am

We still have to take Trump’s actions seriously, but I think the Memo needs to be mocked by everyone until Trump tries to fire Nunes.

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:57:09am
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Citizen K  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:57:12am

re: #5 JordanRules

I’m late to the party on this, but jesus christ.

This is what kills my faith in my fellow human beings. And I’m not sure how much it’ll move ‘independents’ because we’ve seen how many self-labeled independents are just as partisan, if not moreso, than those who actually identify with a party. Especially the conservative ones that simply refuse the R label for ‘credibility’, but jump on with all enthusiasm and fervor for any amount of brown bashing, women hating, and poor punching the GOP can offer.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:57:18am

re: #421 KGxvi

Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee. Richard Nixon.

And before the reply comes in, yes, those were costly, but this administration isn’t going to leave without a cost.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:57:59am

re: #423 lawhawk

What is in the picture?

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:58:45am

re: #398 JordanRules

Here’s a fun takeaway I’m seeing upon first reading of the memo:

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Lofreakingl

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CongoJack  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:58:53am

re: #426 Belafon

What is in the picture?

Football (soccer) goalie scoring on himself.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 9:59:49am

re: #346 Dave In Austin

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:00:19am
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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:00:40am

re: #428 CongoJack

Football (soccer) goalie scoring on himself.

This should be followed up by the goalie arguing with the ref that his team deserves the goal.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:00:52am

re: #429 Ace-o-aces

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stormy daniels was underpaid

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:00:53am

re: #411 harlequinade

Happy birthday youngster! (I have about two years on you, so I get to call you that.)

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harlequinade  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:00:59am

re: #417 Stanley Sea

:D thank you.
The thing I’m most looking forward to (outside of perp walks) is doing the same things as last year and that behaviour being shocking for a 50 year old.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:01:26am

re: #398 JordanRules

Here’s a fun takeaway I’m seeing upon first reading of the memo:

Team Nunes.

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CongoJack  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:01:46am

re: #429 Ace-o-aces

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Oooh.. got a belly laugh out of me.

Keep up the good work Ace (especially for those of us - me - whom do not do the twitters).

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:01:46am

re: #434 harlequinade

:D thank you.
The thing I’m most looking forward to (outside of perp walks) is doing the same things as last year and that behaviour being shocking for a 50 year old.

Now you’re eligible for a colonoscopy.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:01:51am

re: #435 Sir John Barron

Team Nunes.

GO TEAM VENTURE

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:02:21am

re: #415 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wasn’t this supposed to destroy liberalism and the Democratic Party?

I’ll keep watching for Erik Prince and his goons to come up the driveway to confiscate my guns. Nothing so far.

There’s a storm coming or something.

/

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:02:29am

A personal diversion:

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:02:38am

re: #425 Belafon

And before the reply comes in, yes, those were costly, but this administration isn’t going to leave without a cost.

There’s always a cost. And we always must adjust in order to deal with the ramifications. The Trump presidency is likely going to weaken the institution of the presidency. Now, that may not be a bad thing, per se, depending on how you feel about the so-called imperial presidency. But more importantly, it’s going to have major consequences in international affairs, we are going to have to clean our own house and work to re-establish ourselves on the world stage. And when we do, it will likely be in a somewhat diminished role, until we can prove to the world that we still stand for what we have always said we stand for. I don’t know what that will take, or how long it will take, maybe this is the moment when we go the way of all the other world dominating empires.

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harlequinade  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:03:08am

re: #437 Belafon

…th..anks…?

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:03:16am

Short thread.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:03:22am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

All that ReleasetheMemo. Don’t you look stupid now Trumpers? But you won’t learn ever because you’ve been fucking brainwashed by right wing propaganda. SAD!

They are going to be thrilled that the memo proves the entire investigation was a Clinton inspired partisan attack on Trump. CHECKMATE, LIBTARD!!

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:03:36am

re: #421 KGxvi

Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee. Richard Nixon.

Not even close. Davis/Lee formed an enemy state which the legitimate government of the US fought and destroyed.

Nixon, for all his many faults, still was honorable enough to resign rather then to plunge the country into a Constitutional crisis.

Trump will destroy the country, with glee, before he obeys the the laws of this country, and his supporters will cheer him on.

We’ve never been in this situation before. The government of the US and the Republican Party are the enemy now, and they’re not going to just go away without a huge fight.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:03:58am

re: #440 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

A personal diversion:

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:04:08am

re: #444 Big Beautiful Door

They are going to be thrilled that the memo proves the entire investigation was a Clinton inspired partisan attack on Trump. CHECKMATE, LIBTARD!!

Zapp Brannigan Checkmate

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Jay C  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:04:11am

re: #393 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“Your honor, the guy who photographed me burying the bodies and then told the cops where to find them was working for my ex-wife. His evidence should be thrown out!”

You jest, but unfortunately (for justice, the rule of law, and the coountry in general) this is probably the exact tack Trump and his hack/toady “apologists” are going to take to discredit Mueller’s investigation. And, even more unfortunately, a non-trivial segment of the citizenry is going to buy the “argument:…..

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:04:35am

re: #442 harlequinade

…th..anks…?

I’m 48, so it’s creeping up on my like a slow moving freight train. Last year, my doctor told me I was getting close. I’m like “yay.”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:05:05am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:05:42am

re: #398 JordanRules

Here’s a fun takeaway I’m seeing upon first reading of the memo:

Stop laughing! We’re serious! This memo is gonna dunk all you libtards! Storm’s coming!!!

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:06:47am
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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:06:53am

Nunes (R-Russia) won his seat by 35% last time. I think California will do a lot better this time.

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harlequinade  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:07:25am

re: #449 Belafon

To be fair, I’m waiting for a letter to arrive saying “Hheeyyyy…we need to see you.” I’m informed that the Danes like that kind of thing.

Off now! Will keep watching

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Broad With Sass  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:07:44am

Why am I feeling that Wray/Rosenstein et all played Trump..the more they said no don’t do it to Trump they knew he would release this…and fell right into the trap

Link

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:07:56am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:07:59am

re: #452 MsJ

Rino. Drain the swamp.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:08:11am

re: #413 Skip Intro

Examples?

The Civil War.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:09:12am

re: #456 lawhawk

And even if it was, so what? Was that illegal? MAGAbots have been claiming nothing’s wrong as long it’s not illegal.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:10:24am

re: #418 KGxvi

Except Republicans wouldn’t be able to file criminal charges, it would have to be the US Attorney’s Office. And they’re not going to just go file charges without evidence (they are lawyers after all, many of whom probably want to be judges at some point), which means the FBI or some other law enforcement agency is going to have to conduct an investigation and present evidence that a prosecutor would find sufficient to convene a grand jury.

It would basically have to work exactly like it is now. And until we see how this plays out, we don’t really know what the end result would be.

Except, how many Republican State AGs would be thrilled at the opportunity to indict a Democratic President on state law charges?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:11:51am

re: #413 Skip Intro

Examples?

Heydrich was pretty sharp, except for his habit of riding around in an open car.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:11:58am

re: #455 Broad With Sass

Why am I feeling that Wray/Rosenstein et all played Trump..the more they said no don’t do it to Trump they knew he would release this…and fell right into the trap

Link

“whatever you do, don’t go talk to mueller!”

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:12:44am

He only picks the best people.

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S'latch  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:13:17am

This #nunesburger is making me hungry.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:13:33am

I don’t see how the Steele dossier even damages the FISA warrant. It is obviously the only thing that Nunes can hang his complaint on, but it is easy to see the dossier comes after the initial FISA warrant that Nunes seems fine with.

So, by the third and fourth warrants when the dossier comes into play, how are we supposed to know how much weight the FISA court gave the dossier as compared to the findings the FBI collected with the first two warrants?

Nunes does not get into any of the other evidence* that may have been the meat the FISA court actually used to grant the warrant extensions.

In other words, the Steele Dossier may not have even figured into the extensions.

*My understanding based on what I knew previously, and bolstered by what Ari Melber did in his one expose last night, is the FBi collects info from their investigations and if they see a continuation of the activities or are sent in a new direction by what they find under previous warrants they can ask for an extension. The Steele dossier obviously was added as they found it. But Nunes has not let us know what else was in the warrant extension requests. That missing info may alone have been enough to grant the warrant extensions.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:13:39am

re: #458 Big Beautiful Door

The Civil War.

Yeah, that works if Lincoln joined Davis and declared war on abolitionists.

We still had a legitimate US government back then. Now we have one completely (and willingly) compromised by a foreign power (Russia) and the dominate political party is in full support of and completely defending the Russian takeover.

Let me know the last time that happened here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:13:40am

re: #452 MsJ

“If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

what do we expect from someone who is totally beholden to Putin?

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:14:04am
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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:14:10am

re: #461 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Heydrich was pretty sharp, except for his habit of riding around in an open car.

Hubris gets you every time, unless your name is Trump.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:14:52am

They didn’t even read their own memo.
Lulz.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:15:33am

everyone’s pulling out their favorite #fail gifs
they’re coming out of the woodwork now

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CongoJack  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:15:38am

re: #468 JordanRules

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I. Can’t. Wait. For. Maddow’s. Show. Tonight.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:16:35am

re: #468 JordanRules

I read the memo on SCRIBD. It was so short I thought I’d hit a paywall.

I know Trump never read it because there were no pictures and it wasn’t written phonetically.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:16:52am

re: #468 JordanRules

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:17:03am

re: #465 ObserverArt

I don’t see how the Steele dossier even damages the FISA warrant. It is obviously the only thing that Nunes can hang his complaint on, but it is easy to see the dossier comes after the initial FISA warrant that Nunes seems fine with.

So, by the third and fourth warrants when the dossier comes into play, how are we supposed to know how much weight the FISA court gave the dossier as compared to the findings the FBI collected with the first two warrants?

Nunes does not get into any of the other evidence* that may have been the meat the FISA court actually used to grant the warrant extensions.

In other words, the Steele Dossier may not have even figured into the extensions.

*My understanding based on what I knew previously, and bolstered by what Ari Melber did in his one expose last night, is the FBi collects info from their investigations and if they see a continuation of the activities or are sent in a new direction by what they find under previous warrants they can ask for an extension. The Steele dossier obviously was added as they found it. But Nunes has not let us know what else was in the warrant extension requests. That missing info may alone have been enough to grant the warrant extensions.

you want context? //

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:17:57am

re: #469 Skip Intro

Hubris gets you every time, unless your name is Trump.

it’s early yet

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:18:10am

re: #472 CongoJack

I. Can’t. Wait. For. Maddow’s. Show. Tonight.

Fox is the place to go. This will be the biggest news since the Manhattan Project. Bigger even. Hillary’s going to jail now, for sure, probably Gitmo.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:18:18am
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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:18:51am

re: #460 Big Beautiful Door

Except, how many Republican State AGs would be thrilled at the opportunity to indict a Democratic President on state law charges?

I don’t know. AGs tend to want to become governors or senators. And I’m not sure indicting a president and causing a constitutional crisis is the best route to get there.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:19:35am

re: #479 KGxvi

I don’t know. AGs tend to want to become governors or senators. And I’m not sure indicting a president and causing a constitutional crisis is the best route to get there.

certainly not on something “flimsy”

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:19:56am

re: #476 dangerman

it’s early yet

It doesn’t feel early to me. I keep looking for Nemesis out there but no joy yet.

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Varek Raith  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:20:01am
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BeachDem  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:20:14am

Jennifer Rubin (she keeps on surprising me) has a pretty good analysis:

The memo turns out to be decidedly underwhelming and at times baffling…

The memo acknowledges that the FISA warrant was extended multiple times. Nunes finds fault in the application because allegedly the court was not told that Fusion GPS which commissioned Christopher Steele at one point was paid by an attorney of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Without proof, it claims he was hired to find disparaging evidence on Trump (Fusion GPS’s founder disputed this under oath). It claims Steele was an FBI source, an allegation for which we have no support. It claims, again without support, that Steele was fired as a source for leaking some of his findings to the press. It also asserts in confusing fashion that the warrant contained information about George Papadopolous but there was no evidence of cooperation between the two. It’s not clear why this would be a problem. It then throws in reference to text-message exchanges between FBI employees Lisa Page and Peter Strzok. It’s not clear why that matters or what it has to do with the special counsel’s investigation…

In short, other than the memo confirming that Nunes and Trump are collectively out to discredit the intelligence community and to thereby impede the investigation into the president’s alleged wrongdoing, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this proves.

washingtonpost.com

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:20:24am

re: #456 lawhawk

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The thing is, the way they are continually crying about the Steele dossier just cements it in our mind.

They doth protested way too much.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:20:45am

re: #466 Skip Intro

You asked for examples of worse. If trying to tear the country in two and willing to actually fight a warisn’t worse, then nothing is, and there’s no arguing.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:22:38am

re: #485 Belafon

You asked for examples of worse. If trying to tear the country and willing to actually fight a war in two isn’t worse, then nothing is, and there’s no arguing.

What is it you think Trump is doing? Again I remind you that in the Civil War we fought a break away government. The US government wasn’t compromised.

This time the break away government is ours.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:23:16am

re: #483 BeachDem

In short, yeah………..it’s Stupid Watergate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:23:24am

re: #421 KGxvi

Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee. Richard Nixon.

Beat me to it. They expect me to work sometimes and it distracts me from LGF.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:23:57am

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S'latch  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:24:04am

re: #483 BeachDem

See, it’s not a nothing burger! The memo clearly confirms that Nunes, as most Republicans, and Trump are involved in a conspiracy to discredit the intelligence community and obstruct justice.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:24:18am

re: #486 Skip Intro

What is it you think Trump is doing? Again I remind you that in the Civil War we fought a break away government. The US government wasn’t compromised.

This time the break away government is ours.

Trump is trying to keep himself in office, as well as Republicans. That is entirely different than 11 or so of them just up and leaving.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:24:25am

Another thing to keep in mind about Page - the FBI knew he was a bit too friendly with the Russians. Hell, he had been a target of Russian spies to be made an asset, until they realized he was a fucking idiot.

Lawyers are taught to lead with their strongest arguments first. The dossier has always, at best, been like 4th or 5th on the list. If the dossier was the best argument, this whole thing would have been over six months ago.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:24:31am

re: #471 dangerman

everyone’s pulling out their favorite #fail gifs
they’re coming out of the woodwork now

Josh has the best fail gifs. He hasn’t gone on the roll yet. Saw this when checking.

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Kragar  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:25:05am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:26:01am

re: #479 KGxvi

I don’t know. AGs tend to want to become governors or senators. And I’m not sure indicting a president and causing a constitutional crisis is the best route to get there.

In some states it would be. A Texas AG would definitely do it, and make it the centerpiece of his gubernatorial campaign. Don’t underestimate how radical the GOP has become.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:26:11am

re: #494 Kragar

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I’d love to see a lot of their internal emails before Trump became the GOP nominee. And once again Fusion was initiated by a GOP candidate.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:26:20am

re: #494 Kragar

The Republican variation on “only straight people should get to decide if gays should marry.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:26:33am

Why ANYONE thought Trump should be President still astounds me.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:26:43am

I hope Hillary is drinking a cup of tea and laughing her ass off.

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:27:19am

re: #479 KGxvi

I hope their career ambition is not all we’re relying on here.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:27:38am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Why ANYONE thought Trump should be President still astounds me.

It’s the part where they still think that that keeps me up at night.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:27:58am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:28:19am

re: #492 KGxvi

Another thing to keep in mind about Page - the FBI knew he was a bit too friendly with the Russians. Hell, he had been a target of Russian spies to be made an asset, until they realized he was a fucking idiot.

Lawyers are taught to lead with their strongest arguments first. The dossier has always, at best, been like 4th or 5th on the list. If the dossier was the best argument, this whole thing would have been over six months ago.

Oh yeah? Would an idiot wear a hat like this?

Ok, he is an idiot.
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EPR-radar  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:28:32am

re: #491 Belafon

Trump is trying to keep himself in office, as well as Republicans. That is entirely different than 11 or so of them just up and leaving.

Another way the current situation is different from the civil war era is that the two sides in the civil war era were well defined geographically, and the issue driving the separation was limited to slavery.

Now the two sides are not well defined geographically, and the issues driving the increasing divisions are the Republicans’ refusal to accent any/all aspects of reality, combined with covering up for that crook in the White House. On the plus side, the shooting hasn’t started (yet).

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:29:27am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:29:33am

re: #501 Skip Intro

It’s the part where they still think that that keeps me up at night.

Same. After all we’ve seen. They still think it was the right move?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:30:08am

re: #503 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Oh yeah? Would an idiot wear a hat like this?

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I bet he’s wearing crocs too, the bastard.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:30:10am

re: #495 Big Beautiful Door

In some states it would be. A Texas AG would definitely do it, and make it the centerpiece of his gubernatorial campaign. Don’t underestimate how radical the GOP has become.

Sure, but my sense is that ends for the Texas GOP the way Prop 187 ended for the California GOP. Prior to 1994, you could argue that California was a swing state. Now, it’s pretty much impossible for a Republican to win statewide (hell, in our blanket primary, we’re looking at two Democrats regularly facing off in the general election).

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:30:23am

re: #480 dangerman

Like being black?
Must be really from Kenya!

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:30:48am
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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:31:37am

re: #500 JordanRules

I hope their career ambition is not all we’re relying on here.

They’re politicians, all we can really rely on is their career ambition.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:31:40am
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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:31:56am

Oh dear, bitcoin is below $8000 and the Dow is heading for 25,000.

Time to find all of those Trump tweets bragging about 26,000.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:32:26am

re: #512 jaunte

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E tu Shakespeare twitter page :).

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:32:43am

re: #508 KGxvi

Sure, but my sense is that ends for the Texas GOP the way Prop 187 ended for the California GOP. Prior to 1994, you could argue that California was a swing state. Now, it’s pretty much impossible for a Republican to win statewide (hell, in our blanket primary, we’re looking at two Democrats regularly facing off in the general election).

Once can hope. I still don’t want to see a President of the US indicted and tried for crimes in Texas concocted by a rabidly rightwing Texas AG.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:33:04am

re: #506 HappyWarrior

The one guy I know who voted for him absolutely does.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:33:48am

re: #515 Big Beautiful Door

Once can hope. I still don’t want to see a President of the US indicted and tried for crimes in Texas concocted by a rapidly rightwing Texas AG.

Nor do I, and honestly, that should give us pause on the NYAG investigation of Trump. It is potentially very dangerous territory.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:33:53am

My question for the day is: Did Paul Ryan read the memo???

And if the answer is yes then he just showed the world how ignorant yet dangerous he really is.

He has to know how stupid it is, so he let it out to rile up the jackals. That is dangerous. IF he read it and thought it would turn the investigation then he needs to resign for being unfit for his office for being too stupid.

I hope the Iron Stache can make big inroads on this to take Ryan out.

This is the reason I have been riding hard on Paulie. He is more responsible for all of this than Nunes and others. Why? He is the Speaker fo the House. He could have killed this memo with a wave of the hand. He didn’t, he is dangerous. He could tell all of the Kings and Gohmerts to shut the hell up and drop it…the investigation goes on. He didn’t, he is dangerous.

He is a snake (allow me to put this P’shop from the other night up again…it is even clearer today)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:34:37am

re: #516 Skip Intro

The one guy I know who voted for him absolutely does.

Yeah the Trumpers I know too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:35:30am

re: #517 KGxvi

Nor do I, and honestly, that should give us pause on the NYAG investigation of Trump. It is potentially very dangerous territory.

However, all the people around Trump are fair game.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:35:40am

re: #515 Big Beautiful Door

Once can hope. I still don’t want to see a President of the US indicted and tried for crimes in Texas concocted by a rapidly rightwing Texas AG.

well since rarely if ever do the dem prez candidates ever step into texas, it may be hard to find something

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:36:09am
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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:36:49am

re: #496 HappyWarrior

I’d love to see a lot of their internal emails before Trump became the GOP nominee. And once again Fusion was initiated by a GOP candidate.

Ask the Russians to see them
Heck, we may get to see them now.

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KGxvi  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:36:56am

re: #522 lawhawk

Are they declining to comment, or are they just speechless because of the ineptitude?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:37:30am

re: #521 dangerman

well since rarely if ever do the dem prez candidates ever step into texas, it may be hard to find something

The President doesn’t have to step foot in Texas. Just charge him for heading a conspiracy committed by his agents in Texas.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:38:10am

re: #523 ObserverArt

Ask the Russians to see them
Heck, we may get to see them now.

There’s a guy in London too who I could ask. You know him, hangs out at the Ecuadorian embassy.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:38:12am

re: #518 ObserverArt

My question for the day is: Did Paul Ryan read the memo???

And if the answer is yes then he just showed the world how ignorant yet dangerous he really is.

He has to know how stupid it is, so he let it out to rile up the jackals. That is dangerous. IF he read it and thought it would turn the investigation then he needs to resign for being unfit for his office for being too stupid.

I hope the Iron Stache can make big inroads on this to take Ryan out.

This is the reason I have been riding hard on Paulie. He is more responsible for all of this than Nunes and others. Why? He is the Speaker fo the House. He could have killed this memo with a wave of the hand. He didn’t, he is dangerous. He could tell all of the Kings and Gohmerts to shut the hell up and drop it…the investigation goes on. He didn’t, he is dangerous.

He is a snake (allow me to put this P’shop from the other night up again…it is even clearer today)

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hes not that smart
hes not a deep thinker
hes in over his head and doesnt have control of the house (the gavel yes, the body no)
and yes, all that makes him dangerous. i wonder if he himself knows it?

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:38:15am

re: #518 ObserverArt

Ryan got his $500,000 payoff from the Kochs after the billionaire’s tax cut passed, so he’s not too worried.

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:38:34am

re: #524 KGxvi

The former.

If Burr had talked about this, he probably would have exposed the shitshow fail that Nunes was pushing forward.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:39:30am

re: #499 I Would Prefer Not To

I hope Hillary is drinking a cup of tea and laughing her ass off.

I see her as always lawyering up.

She is not safe with this situation. I don’t put it past these fascists to go after her.

Gloomy thinking, but everything is out the window with the yam.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:39:48am

re: #525 Big Beautiful Door

The President doesn’t have to step foot in Texas. Just charge him for heading a conspiracy committed by his agents in Texas.

you lawyers take the fun out of everything ;-)

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:40:01am
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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:40:39am

Jerome Corsi remains hyped.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:41:26am
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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:41:27am

re: #513 Skip Intro

Oh dear, bitcoin is below $8000 and the Dow is heading for 25,000.

Time to find all of those Trump tweets bragging about 26,000.

Let’s see what the new Fed chair can do to fuck up the Dollar.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:41:27am

re: #533 jaunte

Jerome Corsi remains hyped.

I thought he was out finding out that BLM and the DNC paid off that truck driver to collide with that GOP train.

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plansbandc  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:41:51am

The orange bag o’shit and his enablers are evil, but fortunately they are stupid also. Their idiocy will be their undoing.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:41:52am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

This is worse than Watergate? LOL go back to Hungary and stay “Dr.” Gorka.

He can’t. If he did he’d get arrested on a gun warrant, lol.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:42:06am

re: #534 jaunte

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You never get anything right, Dumbo Jr. Go back to wrecking your father’s business and leave the discussion to the adults.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:42:54am

so just musing around, were schiff et al really scared of this being released without a rebuttal?

not re nat’l security.

because it’s so obviously transparent - it’s only been like 2 hours and lots of people have independently torn it apart and said “huh”.

it’s looking more like a “please proceed” moment

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:43:11am

They’re going to keep claiming the memo says something it plainly doesn’t.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:43:24am

re: #534 jaunte

McCabe knew that the FISA warrant was obtained using shady dossier and that all extensions were based on the original application. The Obama administration then used information that Hillary paid for to justify spying on @realDonaldTrump. If I got that right should be game over.

— Donald Trump Jr.

Did you still meet with Russians to get “dirt” on Hillary?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:44:21am

re: #534 jaunte

If I got that right should be game over.

— Donald Trump Jr.

No you don’t and no it isn’t.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:44:26am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:45:04am

THIS IS WORSE THAN IRAN-CONTRA!

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:45:19am

re: #541 jaunte

They’re going to keep claiming the memo says something it plainly doesn’t.

Has Glenn Brazil Greenwald weighed in on the incredible significance of this mudburger?

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:46:06am

re: #546 Sir John Barron

Has Glenn Brazil Greenwald weighed in on the incredible significance of this mudburger?

/

Maybe his Kremlin talking points haven’t arrived yet.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:46:56am
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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:48:21am

Was this whole DON’T RELEASE THIS! a psycho out? I don’t see anything in here that is troubling to the IC. What am I missing?

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:48:44am

re: #544 jaunte

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pulling out my motown playlist right now

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:49:13am
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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:49:28am

re: #535 MsJ

Let’s see what the new Fed chair can do to fuck up the Dollar.

Trump has so many white men who are the best people to choose from who will pledge total loyalty to Trump and manage the Fed in his best interests.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:50:10am

re: #541 jaunte

They’re going to keep claiming the memo says something it plainly doesn’t.

We will see if the release is followed up by the firing of Rosenstein. I’m assuming that was the purpose, because I can’t think of any other reason to do so.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:50:27am

re: #545 Ace Rothstein

THIS IS WORSE THAN IRAN-CONTRA!

BIGGER THAN WATERGATE!!!!! - Sean Hannity

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S'latch  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:50:30am

re: #551 jaunte

Exactly. The release of this memo is more evidence of an intent to obstruct justice.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:50:41am

re: #549 MsJ

Was this whole DON’T RELEASE THIS! a psycho out? I don’t see anything in here that is troubling to the IC. What am I missing?

I’m not sure either.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:50:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:51:03am

re: #538 Ace Rothstein

He can’t. If he did he’d get arrested on a gun warrant, lol.

If I, Dr. Emilio Lizardo, am elected President in 2020, I hereby promise that my first act as POTUS will be to have Gorka immediately deported back to Hungary.

Not that I’d ever have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected, but it’s nice to dream.

My campaign slogan? “Laugh-a while you can, monkey boy!”

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:51:33am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

Someone should tune in to Limbaugh. I’m sure he’ll explain it all to us.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:51:36am

re: #551 jaunte

12/ If true, it could be used by Mueller as evidence of Trump’s “corrupt” intent for purposes of his obstruction investigation. Trump is making a mistake by personally involving himself in the attack on Mueller and Rosenstein and sharing his strong feelings with others. /end

i saw a similar analysis earlier this morning.
he may be stepping into it deeper and deeper
(while his lawyers privately say, “as long as the checks keep clearing…”)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:51:45am

It could be that the feds know how Trump and his allies will spin it too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:01am

re: #513 Skip Intro

Oh dear, bitcoin is below $8000 and the Dow is heading for 25,000.

Time to find all of those Trump tweets bragging about 26,000.

Damn. I’m glad I sold mine before the crash.

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electrotek  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:03am

re: #513 Skip Intro

Oh dear, bitcoin is below $8000 and the Dow is heading for 25,000.

Time to find all of those Trump tweets bragging about 26,000.

The usual retort I got on my FB:

most investors are still up 20%+ since the election. Noone is panicked by any means when youre playing with this much house money. The only people that should be shitting right now is people trying to buy a house now…rates are going to cost people in LA $175 more a month for a $400,000 loan. But if you didnt jump on historically low rates over the past three years that’s noones fault but your own.

Never willing to admit they are wrong about Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:07am

re: #559 Skip Intro

Someone should tune in to Limbaugh. I’m sure he’ll explain it all to us.

Or Alex Jones or Sean Hannity. I’d love to see their hot take on this.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:19am

Not that I’d wish this on anyone, but has anyone checked in on Freeperville to see how they’re spinning this?

And I have to concur with whoever said that Schiff et al pulled a B’rer Rabbit on this. And Stupid Nunes jumped right into the ol’ briar patch himself.

‘They’re really not very good at this’ will from now on be represented with the acronym TRNVGAT. I’m tired of having to type it out.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:23am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure either.

BUT THE DOSSIER…………

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:23am

Oh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:26am

Silence thus far from all the Trumpers I know on FB.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:31am

re: #534 jaunte

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I’m not sure why it would even matter if the FISA application was based on the Steele dossier. They act as if the Steele Dossier was some kind of privileged information that was obtained illegally.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:52:44am

re: #552 Skip Intro

Trump has so many white men who are the best people to choose from who will pledge total loyalty to Trump and manage the Fed in his best interests.

Trump actually managed to nominate a Fed Chair who is competent, if not as accomplished as Yellen, who had to go because Obama.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:53:06am

re: #567 JordanRules

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.

— Trey Gowdy

Damn rino.

////

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:53:37am

re: #571 Sir John Barron

Damn rino.

////

GOWDY IS IN THE DEEP STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:05am

re: #558 Dr Lizardo

If I, Dr. Emilio Lizardo, am elected President in 2020, I hereby promise that my first act as POTUS will be to have Gorka immediately deported back to Hungary.

Not that I’d ever have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected, but it’s nice to dream.

My campaign slogan? “Laugh-a while you can, monkey boy!”

im voting for amom-anon
she bakes better snacks. you havent promised any snacks

you know what you gotta do

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:07am

re: #569 Mike Lamb

I’m not sure why it would even matter if the FISA application was based on the Steele dossier. They act as if the Steele Dossier was some kind of privileged information that was obtained illegally.

But, but, bu…..SpYINg, ShutUP libtard~!!!!!!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:43am

re: #567 JordanRules

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Oh

lol, you can tell the GOP’ers who are quitting.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:44am

re: #452 MsJ

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“If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

Isn’t that what Putin is paying tRump to do?

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:49am

re: #559 Skip Intro

Someone should tune in to Limbaugh. I’m sure he’ll explain it all to us.

nope. not for money or pizza. or pizza money

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Weaselone  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:57am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure either.

I’m going to guess they were most worried/pissed about the collateral damage. The memo itself was a Nunesburger, but releasing it still probably suggests underlying classified materials, it’s pisses on our intelligence agencies and it was a deliberate if poorly aimed partisan attack which undermines the work of the committee.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:54:59am

re: #565 makeitstop

Not that I’d wish this on anyone, but has anyone checked in on Freeperville to see how they’re spinning this?

And I have to concur with whoever said that Schiff et al pulled a B’rer Rabbit on this. And Stupid Nunes jumped right into the ol’ briar patch himself.

‘They’re really not very good at this’ will from now on be represented with the acronym TRNVGAT. I’m tired of having to type it out.

“No, please don’t release this awesome scary memo, pretty please….”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:00am

re: #534 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:01am

re: #573 dangerman

im voting for amom-anon
she bakes better snacks. you havent promised any snacks

you know what you gotta do

VB. This country needs a Baba to bake for us.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:02am

re: #562 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Damn. I’m glad I sold mine before the crash.

I hope you made out like a bandit!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:23am

re: #578 Weaselone

I’m going to guess they were most worried/pissed about the collateral damage. The memo itself was a Nunesburger, but releasing it still probably suggests underlying classified materials, it’s pisses on our intelligence agencies and it was a deliberate if poorly aimed partisan attack which undermines the work of the committee.

Good points.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:40am

re: #549 MsJ

Was this whole DON’T RELEASE THIS! a psycho out? I don’t see anything in here that is troubling to the IC. What am I missing?

We all girded for battle because that’s what you do. If you’re the Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls, it’s not your problem if the hyped opponent that shows up turns out to be a 7th grade basketball team.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:56am

re: #564 HappyWarrior

Or Alex Jones or Sean Hannity. I’d love to see their hot take on this.

Hannity is sticking with the original talking points.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:55:59am

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:56:02am

re: #568 HappyWarrior

Silence thus far from all the Trumpers I know on FB.

They’re waiting for their Hannity/Rush talking points.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:56:28am

re: #559 Skip Intro

Someone should tune in to Limbaugh. I’m sure he’ll explain it all to us.

It was a trick by deep state dems.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:08am

re: #585 jaunte

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Hannity is sticking with the original talking points.

LOL oh don’t ever change Lumpy.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:27am

re: #579 Sir John Barron

“No, please don’t release this awesome scary memo, pretty please….”

Been Freepn’. They still think it proves their point. There are some deficiencies in evidence, over there.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:28am

re: #573 dangerman

im voting for amom-anon
she bakes better snacks. you havent promised any snacks

you know what you gotta do

LOL

BTW, I found this brief video of John Lithgow discussing my namesake; it’s short, but it tells how he created the character’s accent.

Buckaroo Banzai - Bonus Clip 1: Creating Dr. Emilio Lizardo! (HD)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:28am

re: #587 lawhawk

They’re waiting for their Hannity/Rush talking points.

Yep, that’s true.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:35am

re: #585 jaunte

An unprecedented Government abuse of power and corruption case. Those involved used HRC bought and paid for Russian lies as the basis to obtain a FISA warrant vs an opposition party candidate and Potus elect. And worse, they knew it was full of lies, and not verified.

— Sean Hannity

So what? Was that illegal? I mean, that’s the standard now, right? Was collusion with Russia illegal?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:44am

re: #559 Skip Intro

Someone should tune in to Limbaugh. I’m sure he’ll explain it all to us.

I’ve been listening to him and developing brain cancer for the last two hours.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:57:57am

re: #551 jaunte

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:58:01am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

VB. This country needs a Baba to bake for us.

i didnt know VB was running
i’ve nominated amom twice already - once for cookie stuffed brownies, and again for a coconut something…pie

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:58:09am

re: #585 jaunte

Hannity is sticking with the original talking points.

UNPRECEDENTED!!!!!!!

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:58:17am

re: #593 Sir John Barron

Simple stories for Simple tons.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:58:31am

re: #594 Ace Rothstein

I’ve been listening to him and developing brain cancer for the last two hours.

why would you subject your mind to that? I can’t even look at those guys much less listen to their bullshit.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:58:51am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:59:08am

re: #596 dangerman

i didnt know VB was running
i’ve nominated amom twice already - once for cookie stuffed brownies, and again for a coconut something…pie

Damn those sound good.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:59:40am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 10:59:53am

re: #600 jaunte

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Goes to prove what I said about Bachmann leaving was true, get one idiot out, get another one in. This guy Gaetz is a special idiot.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:00:00am

re: #580 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Speaking of which, Hope Hicks and Jr. may be the next Trumpers to get indicted.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:00:30am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:00:46am

re: #602 jaunte

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His opponents were right ot be suspicious of him given the way he constantly kissed and still kisses Putin’s KGB ass.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:00:55am

re: #567 JordanRules

If someone reads this to Trump, Gowdy can forget about that nice comfy seat on the Fourth Circuit.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:01:09am

re: #534 jaunte

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Heh. Cesca just tweeted what I wrote. The dossier isn’t that big a part in the FISA warrants. And the real info is still under cover.

I hope Nunes starts to pack his bags. He needs to go.

And I just used the contact the Speaker of the House link form to tell Ryan after this release of the memo he needs to resign for being both this stupid and dangerous knowing how thin it was. I said he was unfit for his job…time to go.

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Kragar  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:01:18am

re: #585 jaunte

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:01:31am

re: #606 HappyWarrior

“Hey Russia, hack my opponent”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:01:49am

re: #582 MsJ

I hope you made out like a bandit!

It was only a couple hundred dollars, but it was only one hundred when I earned the coin using NiceHash. It more than made up for my loss when NiceHash was hacked.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:01:56am

re: #607 Skip Intro

If someone reads this to Trump, Gowdy can forget about that nice comfy seat on the Fourth Circuit.

Gowdy’s not taking it. He’s going into private practice.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:02:01am

re: #610 jaunte

“Hey Russia, hack my opponent”

HE WAS JUST JOKING!

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:02:22am

re: #591 Dr Lizardo

LOL

BTW, I found this brief video of John Lithgow discussing my namesake; it’s short, but it tells how he created the character’s accent.

[Embedded content]

Video

i turned my niece onto the movie when she was like 12 so “big-booty” was funny.
then i had to explain ” BigbooTAY”

now she’s 20 and i’m uncle bigbooTAY in her phone

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:02:56am

re: #421 KGxvi

Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee. Richard Nixon.

Yep. Davis and Lee caused over 600,000 deaths, almost destroyed our nation, and their legacy still poisons this country today. And Nixon interfered with the VietNam peace process in 1968 and his Cambodia campaign led to the Pol Pot regime which massacred over a million Cambodians. As bad as Trump is, he is not yet responsible for the level of bloodshed of these criminals. Let us see what happens before we decide that we cannot survive Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:11am

LH you were literally right. The trumper I know literally posted Hannity’s post that we discussed.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:12am

re: #613 HappyWarrior

That’s not a joke.
“Hey Trump, have you read any good books lately?”
That’s a joke.

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Jay C  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:21am

re: #569 Mike Lamb

I’m not sure why it would even matter if the FISA application was based on the Steele dossier. They act as if the Steele Dossier was some kind of privileged information that was obtained illegally.

It’s basically desperation: Robert Mueller is slowly-but-surely getting the goods on a whole raft of Trump campaign/Administration players: up to and including the First Family, and perhaps the Moron-in-Chief himself. And yet, they know their preferred solution: firing Mueller, disbanding his taskforce and (probably) shredding/burning/deleting every datum it ever collected, would be, to say the least, counterproductive. So basically (IMO), they’re going with a modification of the old Watergate strategy: try to paint a legal/criminal investigation into one motivated mainly by political motives. And tossing up charges of “partisan bias” - however bogus - is being seen as a way to do that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:31am

re: #585 jaunte

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Hannity is sticking with the original talking points.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:40am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:50am

Dow at -453 for the day; -950 for the week.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:03:55am

re: #617 jaunte

That’s not a joke.
“Hey Trump, have you read any good books lately?”
That’s a joke.

or Donald Trump sounded presidential today.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:04:16am

re: #621 Ace Rothstein

Dow at -453 for the day; -950 for the week.

Hillary’s fault.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:04:44am

re: #622 HappyWarrior

or Donald Trump sounded presidential today.

or Donald Trump took Barron for ice cream.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:04:59am

re: #540 dangerman

so just musing around, were schiff et al really scared of this being released without a rebuttal?

not re nat’l security.

because it’s so obviously transparent - it’s only been like 2 hours and lots of people have independently torn it apart and said “huh”.

it’s looking more like a “please proceed” moment

Schiff expressed his worry yesterday. He wasn’t worried about the memo. He was worried how Trump would use it to fire Rosenstein and start to take apart the investigation by either having Rosenstein’s replacement fire Mueller or cut the investigation at the knees by limiting funds, direction, etc.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:05:15am

re: #618 Jay C

And if - or when - charges come, the Trumpers will scream that it’s an attempted partisan putsch; this is why we’re hearing all this DEEP STATE!! bullshit.

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lawhawk  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:05:31am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

LH you were literally right. The trumper I know literally posted Hannity’s post that we discussed.

They are nothing if not predictable.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:05:46am

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

So I posted something personal and heavy earlier, and thanks for the understanding and sympathy. The update is good news.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:05:54am

re: #600 jaunte

One of the alcoholics, anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:06:23am

re: #624 Ace Rothstein

or Donald Trump took Barron for ice cream.

Donald Trump comforted Melania.

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plansbandc  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:06:45am

re: #614 dangerman

I love that movie with all of my heart.

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:06:51am

re: #609 Kragar

So is Jr. going to be Lumpy’s guest tonight?

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:07:20am

re: #567 JordanRules

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Skip Intro  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:07:44am

re: #624 Ace Rothstein

or Donald Trump took Barron for ice cream.

Only if Barron paid.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:08:01am

What would a pumpkin with Oppositional Defiant Disorder do?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:08:14am

re: #634 Skip Intro

Only if Barron paid.

or let Donald eat his ice cream.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:08:23am

re: #625 ObserverArt

Schiff expressed his worry yesterday. He wasn’t worried about the memo. He was worried how Trump would use it to fire Rosenstein and start to take apart the investigation by either having Rosenstein’s replacement fire Mueller or cut the investigation at the knees by limiting funds, direction, etc.

Bingo. That is what we should be worried about. I have to assume that was the whole reason for release of the memo, thin as it is.

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:08:48am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:08:51am

From CNN:

January’s jobs report didn’t settle the market down. The economy added 200,000 jobs in January, and wages grew at the fastest pace in eight years.

But if wages grow too fast, they could eat into Corporate America’s record profit margins.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:09:16am

re: #602 jaunte

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:09:49am

re: #600 jaunte

I haz now read memo and it says Hillary killed Vince Foster in the library with the candlestick holder.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:09:51am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

or let Donald eat his ice cream.

Both scoops.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:11:03am

re: #639 Ace Rothstein

From CNN:

We wouldn’t want wages growing too fast would we? //

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:11:04am

re: #546 Sir John Barron

Has Glenn Brazil Greenwald weighed in on the incredible significance of this mudburger?

/

crickets….

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:11:11am

re: #632 Skip Intro

So is Jr. going to be Lumpy’s guest tonight?

EXCLUSIVE!!!!

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:11:32am

Time stamp on this is two hours ago, presumably before the Nunesbuger was served up.

Babyfngers sounds…surly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:12:09am

re: #646 makeitstop

Time stamp on this is two hours ago, presumably before the Nunesbuger was served up.

[Embedded content]

Babyfngers sounds…surly.

He should smile more.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:12:30am

re: #621 Ace Rothstein

Dow at -453 for the day; -950 for the week.

Thanks Van Buren

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:13:14am

re: #604 Big Beautiful Door

Speaking of which, Hope Hicks and Jr. may be the next Trumpers to get indicted.

Holy shit. Look at that dress she is wearing exiting AF1. There is no professionalism in any of these people. You are leaving fucking AF1, for gods sake. This is something you’d wear on casual Friday. JFC.

p.s. she has that just fucked look. (shudder)

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:14:04am
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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:14:36am

Hannitystiltskin, spinning gold from…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:15:01am

re: #650 jaunte

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I’m looking forward to seeing Hannity act like he never cared for Trump and that Trump was never a true conservative.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:15:20am

re: #559 Skip Intro

Someone should tune in to Limbaugh. I’m sure he’ll explain it all to us.

He’s probably poppin Oxys like M&Ms.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:15:35am

re: #631 plansbandc

I love that movie with all of my heart.

A few years, a film critic - Danny Bowes - wrote that Buckaroo Banzai “is paradoxically decades ahead of its time and yet completely of its time; it’s profoundly a movie by, for, and of geeks and nerds at a time before geek/nerd culture was mainstreamed, and a movie whose pre-CG special effects and pre-Computer Age production design were an essential part of its good-natured enthusiasm. What at the time was a hip, modern take on classic SF is now, almost thirty years later, almost indistinguishable from the SF cinema that inspired it in terms of the appeal to modern viewers: the charmingly old-fashioned special effects, and the comparatively innocent earnestness of its tone.”

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:15:51am

re: #652 HappyWarrior

“Just like the KKK, he was once a Democrat.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:15:56am

re: #625 ObserverArt

Schiff expressed his worry yesterday. He wasn’t worried about the memo. He was worried how Trump would use it to fire Rosenstein and start to take apart the investigation by either having Rosenstein’s replacement fire Mueller or cut the investigation at the knees by limiting funds, direction, etc.

Imagine a legit GoFundMe page set up to continue funding the Mueller investigation. Damn… lol

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:16:00am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

or let Donald eat his ice cream.

donald got two scoops, baron only got one

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:16:14am

re: #551 jaunte

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What does Mueller do when the yam breaks the law every single day?

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:17:30am

re: #649 MsJ

Honestly, I’d bet Michelle has worn a J Crew dress similar to this on AF1. I realize she was not a POTUS staffer but still.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:17:30am

re: #585 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Hannity is sticking with the original talking points.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:17:36am

re: #658 Stanley Sea

There are going to be a *lot* of obstruction counts.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:17:40am

re: #658 Stanley Sea

What does Mueller do when the yam breaks the law every single day?

Assign someone to write them down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:17:58am

re: #654 Dr Lizardo

A few years, a film critic - Danny Bowes - wrote that Buckaroo Banzai “is paradoxically decades ahead of its time and yet completely of its time; it’s profoundly a movie by, for, and of geeks and nerds at a time before geek/nerd culture was mainstreamed, and a movie whose pre-CG special effects and pre-Computer Age production design were an essential part of its good-natured enthusiasm.

It was good in places but it lagged in others, a movie like that has to keep up a swift pace or you are left shaking your head…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:18:09am

re: #558 Dr Lizardo

If I, Dr. Emilio Lizardo, am elected President in 2020, I hereby promise that my first act as POTUS will be to have Gorka immediately deported back to Hungary.

Not that I’d ever have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected, but it’s nice to dream.

My campaign slogan? “Laugh-a while you can, monkey boy!”

I got a Team Banzai shirt last week. I’m keeping an eye on you Lizardo.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:18:47am

re: #638 makeitstop

Our quant-desk does machine-read screen scrapes and high frequency fin-analysis of Tweets for color on microstructure and sentiment in US equities. The director (Yuri) tells me that a by-product of that data analysis showed that >16,000 #ReleaseTheMemo Tweets were DELETED today.

They realized it was all much ado about nothing. They’ve been had.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:18:56am

How have I not been using this during this entire administration?

My meme-fu is weak.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:18:57am

re: #605 Ace Rothstein

And for good measure…this is interesting.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:19:50am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:20:33am

I almost feel bad for the Trump cultists who let themselves get convinced that this was the game changer.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:20:39am
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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:20:41am

re: #603 HappyWarrior

Goes to prove what I said about Bachmann leaving was true, get one idiot out, get another one in. This guy Gaetz is a special idiot.

Don’t blame sofla for him

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:21:10am

LOL

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:21:18am

re: #669 HappyWarrior

I almost feel bad for the Trump cultists who let themselves get convinced that this was the game changer.

They still believe it is. That’s the beauty of being in a cult. You never have to realize you were deeply mistaken.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:21:43am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:21:53am

re: #667 MsJ

The way I see it is that they’ve been selling sizzle to their loyal rube audience because that’s profitable and maybe—maybe makes the idea float, like with Pizzagate or Benghazi. But they’re up against law enforcement this time and A is A, no fucking steak is no fucking steak.

Or I hope.

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ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:21:58am

re: #646 makeitstop

Time stamp on this is two hours ago, presumably before the Nunesbuger was served up.

[Embedded content]

Babyfngers sounds…surly.

And if he can figure it out in that ignorant big ol’ Orange Head of his how this is making him look even more ignorant and corrupt he is going to blow up.

I bet in another hour or two it will start to become clear. Well, that is if any of the staff are around to tell him. They may have already left for the day knowing what is coming.

Me? I am hoping this memo just became that one wafer-thin mint.

They are going to need to bring out the buckets. Lots of buckets.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:23:03am

re: #674 jaunte

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:23:20am

re: #673 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They still believe it is. That’s the beauty of being in a cult. You never have to realize you were deeply mistaken.

Well, until the cult breaks up.

Or ends like Peoples Temple or the Branch Davidians.

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:23:34am

Most corrupt Administration in US history.

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The Major  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:23:48am

re: #558 Dr Lizardo

“No matter where you go….there you are…..”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:24:14am

re: #638 makeitstop

I’m waiting for Crazy Sheryl Atkinson’s hot take on this super scandal that’s gonna definitely unmask the deep state.

////

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:25:46am

re: #676 ObserverArt

And if he can figure it out in that ignorant big ol’ Orange Head of his how this is making him look even more ignorant and corrupt he is going to blow up.

I bet in another hour or two it will start to become clear. Well, that is if any of the staff are around to tell him. They may have already left for the day knowing what is coming.

Me? I am hoping this memo just became that one wafer-thin mint.

They are going to need to bring out the buckets. Lots of buckets.

For the Monty Python reference. Good job!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:26:46am

re: #679 jaunte

It’s like a heist movie with clowns that only talk via car-horn honks.

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BeachDem  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:26:48am

re: #585 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Hannity is sticking with the original talking points.

Adam Schiff begs to differ (I know who my money’s on)

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makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:27:13am

re: #681 Sir John Barron

I’m waiting for Crazy Sheryl Atkinson’s hot take on this super scandal that’s gonna definitely unmask the deep state.

////

She would have already posted it, but she can’t get her backspace key un-stuck.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:27:15am

re: #625 ObserverArt

Schiff expressed his worry yesterday. He wasn’t worried about the memo. He was worried how Trump would use it to fire Rosenstein and start to take apart the investigation by either having Rosenstein’s replacement fire Mueller or cut the investigation at the knees by limiting funds, direction, etc.

As a cudgel
not on content

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jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:28:54am

White House sticking with Hannity’s story.

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JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:28:55am
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BeachDem  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:29:18am

re: #600 jaunte

[Embedded content]

(Gaetz is not a member of the intel committee)

Gaetz is not a member of any intelligent life form group.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:29:48am

re: #678 Dr Lizardo

Well, until the cult breaks up.

Or ends like Peoples Temple or the Branch Davidians.

Ending like Jonestown avoids ever facing the consequences of your folly..well, except for the ones who were forced to kill themselves at gunpoint They had one bad day.

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plansbandc  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:29:51am

re: #663 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The watermelon is key to the entire thing. ; )

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Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:29:55am

re: #621 Ace Rothstein

Dow at -453 for the day; -950 for the week.

Chaos potus begets chaos.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:30:14am

re: #688 JordanRules

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I agree.

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Kragar  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:30:26am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:30:37am

re: #673 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They still believe it is. That’s the beauty of being in a cult. You never have to realize you were deeply mistaken.

Oh yeah they definitely do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:31:03am

re: #682 MsJ

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For the Monty Python reference. Good job!

I have long suggested that Charles allow us the option of awarding one ten-point “mega-upding” per week or month for comments that really hit the spot.

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calochortus  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:31:28am

re: #669 HappyWarrior

I almost feel bad for the Trump cultists who let themselves get convinced that this was the game changer.

They still think it is. Freepers are awaiting the arrests and indictments of various Dems.

698
The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:31:54am

I am now lighter but dealing with a gentler form of sadness. Which I think I can manage by a mix of letting myself feel it and doing other things. Never go full Dostoevsky.

FORCE THAT ENTHUSIASM GHOST OF A FLEA

699
Jack Burton  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:32:11am

Since we got on the subject of Buckaroo Banzai…

I heard this memo was going to be “explosive”.

My reaction: “I don’t know what to say. Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named “John”?”

700
jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:32:55am
701
Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:33:30am

re: #646 makeitstop

Time stamp on this is two hours ago, presumably before the Nunesbuger was served up.

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Babyfngers sounds…surly.

702
makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:33:42am

To further add to the confusion:

703
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:34:38am

re: #669 HappyWarrior

I almost feel bad for the Trump cultists who let themselves get convinced that this was the game changer.

They will still think it is because Hannity, Limbaugh and others will continue to tell them it is and that’s who they believe.

704
dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:34:46am

re: #658 Stanley Sea

What does Mueller do when the yam breaks the law every single day?

Gets a bigger boat to handle a bigger crew

705
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:35:27am

re: #702 makeitstop

Atty Gen Jeff Sessions went off script at human trafficking event this morn to praise Deputy Atty Gen Rod Rosenstein, a reported target of Nunes memo. Noting Rosenstein has 27 yrs at DOJ, Sessions said Rosenstein represents “the kind of quality & leadership that we want” in DOJ.

The people who put Trump in power are ones who really do not understand why we need a federal government and have no problem with Trump demolishing it in the name of MAGA

706
jaunte  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:36:02am

From one of my conservative email feeds:

They’re still clutching that imaginary straw for all it’s worth.

707
JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:37:50am

From their IG post link:

In the 1930s, Valaida Snow was known as “Little Louis” because her talent with a #trumpet rivaled the legendary Louis Armstrong. She performed around the world, but it was a tour of #Europe that would haunt her for the rest of her life.
While in German-occupied #Denmark, Snow is said to have been arrested and imprisoned in Copenhagen.
It’s unclear why she was arrested, or what was done to her while she was held, but after her release in a May 1942 prisoner exchange, Snow never recovered emotionally. She continued to perform in the United States, but never regained her former success. She died in 1956 at the age of 51.

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dangerman  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:39:02am

re: #646 makeitstop

Time stamp on this is two hours ago, presumably before the Nunesbuger was served up.

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Babyfngers sounds…surly.

Cause he didn’t have an answer.

Reporter should have followed up it’s not for me to figure out. I want to know what you think

709
Jay C  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:39:03am

re: #702 makeitstop

To further add to the confusion:

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Maybe ol’ Jeff is angling for a Cabinet post in the Pence Administration?

710
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:40:36am

re: #706 jaunte

From one of my conservative email feeds:

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They’re still clutching that imaginary straw for all it’s worth.

finally, a talking point! Democrats are scared!!!

711
makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:40:59am

Things are starting to get a little, umm, heated.

712
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:41:32am

re: #710 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

finally, a talking point! Democrats are scared!!!

Any America with any sense is scared. The Trumpublicans have betrayed the country.

713
HappyWarrior  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:41:42am

The talking poitns are out.

714
Kragar  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:42:11am
715
Hecuba's daughter  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:42:39am

re: #706 jaunte

From one of my conservative email feeds:

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They’re still clutching that imaginary straw for all it’s worth.

Trumpsters are incapable of independent thought. They read the dishonest evaluation of Nunesburger and believe it; even if they actually read the memo, they filter it through the lies they have been told and cannot step back to see the truth.

716
ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:43:45am

re: #649 MsJ

Holy shit. Look at that dress she is wearing exiting AF1. There is no professionalism in any of these people. You are leaving fucking AF1, for gods sake. This is something you’d wear on casual Friday. JFC.

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p.s. she has that just fucked look. (shudder)

You mean sashaying down the steps…not just exiting.

Hey, she gets a rise out of the ol’ Don. That is a part of her job.

717
JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:44:29am
718
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:44:49am

re: #714 Kragar

719
ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:44:57am

re: #652 HappyWarrior

I’m looking forward to seeing Hannity act like he never cared for Trump and that Trump was never a true conservative.

Should that happen, it will be a few hours before Trump resigns.

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MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:44:59am

re: #707 JordanRules

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From their IG post link:

In the 1930s, Valaida Snow was known as “Little Louis” because her talent with a #trumpet rivaled the legendary Louis Armstrong. She performed around the world, but it was a tour of #Europe that would haunt her for the rest of her life.
While in German-occupied #Denmark, Snow is said to have been arrested and imprisoned in Copenhagen.
It’s unclear why she was arrested, or what was done to her while she was held, but after her release in a May 1942 prisoner exchange, Snow never recovered emotionally. She continued to perform in the United States, but never regained her former success. She died in 1956 at the age of 51.

Did you see the film “Phoenix”? That movie haunted me.

721
Belafon  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:45:50am

re: #702 makeitstop

To further add to the confusion:

There’s one person Sessions cares about more than Trump, and that’s himself.

722
makeitstop  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:46:12am

Nancy Smash with the haymaker!

723
JordanRules  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:46:33am

re: #720 MsJ

No. Haven’t heard of it.
Gonna chase down the deets on it!

724
Jay C  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:47:17am

re: #719 ObserverArt

re: #652 HappyWarrior

I’m looking forward to seeing Hannity act like he never cared for Trump and that Trump was never a true conservative.

Should that happen, it will be a few hours before Trump resigns.

Naaah, it’s Sean Hannity: it’ll be a hour after….

725
MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:47:56am

re: #716 ObserverArt

You mean sashaying down the steps…not just exiting.

Hey, she gets a rise out of the ol’ Don. That is a part of her job.

No, the summer flouncy dress. I had a coworker wear something similar to that on Casual Friday and she was “talked to” about wearing a “clubbing” dress to work. This is an adviser (or something) to the once most powerful man on earth. She looks like she’s doing the Walk of Shame.

I am talking about basic decorum…of which she (and all of them) have none.

726
BeachDem  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:48:05am

re: #718 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Kinda says it all

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Sir John Barron  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:53:54am

re: #706 jaunte

From one of my conservative email feeds:

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They’re still clutching that imaginary straw for all it’s worth.

And again, so what about the dossier? Even if that was the sole reason for seeking the wiretap, so what? Not illegal. Since illegal or not illegal is the whole standard wingnuts are demanding nowadays…..

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:53:55am

re: #715 Hecuba’s daughter

Imagine believing something was true because it was personally gratifying.

That’s their bag.

729
Stanley Sea  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:58:52am

re: #717 JordanRules

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HES BACK

730
ObserverArt  Feb 2, 2018 • 11:58:57am

re: #689 BeachDem

(Gaetz is not a member of the intel committee)

Gaetz is not a member of any intelligent life form group.

The dudes only a year into his first term and is already being treated by the party and the media as some ‘has-to-be-heard’ superstar congressman.

Hell, he already has a huge head…no need to make it bigger, he’s gonna do that on his own.

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fern01  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:01:25pm

re: #659 JordanRules

Honestly, I’d bet Michelle has worn a J Crew dress similar to this on AF1. I realize she was not a POTUS staffer but still.

When she was going to Hawaii on vacation. Michelle Obama was and is the epitome of good taste - in direct contrast to the trumps and those who work for this administration.

And to mention - BEING POTUS or FLOTUS is very very different from being a staffer.

732
MsJ  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:08:23pm

re: #659 JordanRules

Honestly, I’d bet Michelle has worn a J Crew dress similar to this on AF1. I realize she was not a POTUS staffer but still.

Michelle Obama is not a presidential adviser. Had Melania worn this I would have chalked it up to her always on display bad taste. But she’s a wife, not an adviser.

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sagehen  Feb 2, 2018 • 12:18:54pm

re: #586 bill d. (b.d.)

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Susan Ivanova No boom today HQ

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 2, 2018 • 3:27:57pm

re: #628 The Ghost of a Flea

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