John Oliver Digs Deep Into the Census, Featuring Census Man
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John Oliver discusses the census, why it matters, and the consequences of an undercount.
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Watched this earlier, and it’s really good reminder that our nation’s democracy and representative government is under assault from Trumpworld and the GOP in the most basic way - thwarting an accurate count means shifting balance of power for a decade or more (since last census helped cement power for the GOP, further undercounts can keep the GOP in power in places where they have no business being in power based on the actual demographics).
IRS whistleblower case advances as Senate staff looks at whether political appointee meddled with audit of Trump or Pence https://t.co/3FLATnDCIX
— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) November 18, 2019
From downstairs:
re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I am afraid that Trump is going to prevail on this because SCOTUS knows that releasing his returns would be political poison for the whole GOP.
According to this, it’s purely an administrative stay, so lawyers on both sides can file their respective paperwork.
NEW: The Supreme Court has issued an administrative stay blocking House Democrats’ subpoena for Trump’s tax returns until both sides can file the necessary legal papershttps://t.co/i0t1Vgn5aM
— Axios (@axios) November 18, 2019
He’ll announce that he saved 15% by switching to Geico.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
But John Roberts said SCOTUS isn’t political. Does this mean he’s a dirty fucking liar? https://t.co/AuZ69z5VHL
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 18, 2019
The Court stayed the ruling pending filings by both sides.
I’m not surprised by this move, but it gives the Court the opportunity to issue a ruling. Had they declined to pick up the case, it would have required Mazars to hand over the tax records and financial papers.
The Roberts bench might still let Trump prevail on some bulkshit legal theory, but they’re at least going through the motions of giving both sides time to submit papers.
Can I just say, “Fuck Alan Moore, and I don’t mean in the way that Ghastly drew 17 years ago”?
If only Mr. Moore had spoken up before we decided to spend two decades on creative energy on this genre.
— Arnob ‘turkey voting for Thanksgiving’ Alam 🌐 (@arnoblalam) November 18, 2019
And of course the other thing about Moore is that he seems to believe in a more restrictive form of intellectual property law than most other people (despite the irony of his second-most-famous product mining the public domain),>>>
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 18, 2019
>>>but the full on RESPONSIBILITY to take said work OFF the market once the original target audience consumes it. It’s a paradigm that would have denied most of the pre-XX. century world anything to build off of either.
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 18, 2019
Nikki Haley is a degenerate liar who has sold out to Trumpworld:
If only you showed a similar stance when Trump called *checks notes* anyone he’s targeted with his smears and lies, and projected his crimes on to his rivals.https://t.co/HgwwOjVN7U
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 18, 2019
re: #5 jaunte
But John Roberts said SCOTUS isn’t political. Does this mean he’s a dirty fucking liar?
He knows what will happen when we finally learn where DT’s money comes from.
Pompeo public statement coming up in an hour.
Since Trump ripped Pompeo for not doing enough to defend him, expect Pompeo go full Beetlejuice in a head-spinning dervish of nutbag Trump defense.— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) November 18, 2019
re: #6 lawhawk
The Court stayed the ruling pending filings by both sides.
I’m not surprised by this move, but it gives the Court the opportunity to issue a ruling. Had they declined to pick up the case, it would have required Mazars to hand over the tax records and financial papers.
The Roberts bench might still let Trump prevail on some bulkshit legal theory, but they’re at least going through the motions of giving both sides time to submit papers.
I can see Roberts using this as a chance to argue through the lack of merits with his conservative colleagues, to try and get them to see that taking up the case for real can only damage their reputations in the long run.
It’s another week in the barrel for Donnie.
Impeachment schedule this week:
Tuesday:
Jennifer Williams
Alexander Vindman
Kurt Volker
Tim Morrison
Wednesday:
Gordon Sondland
Laura Cooper
David Hale
Thursday:
Fiona Hill— Michael Del Moro (@MikeDelMoro) November 18, 2019
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
I can see Roberts using this as a chance to argue through the lack of merits with his conservative colleagues, to try and get them to see that taking up the case for real can only damage their reputations in the long run.
The returns will come out. I am almost expecting a Karl Rove-inspired tactics of “leaking” fake documents that will cause a big stir and then can be dismissed as forgeries, like they did with the documents proving that GW Bush ducked his Air National Guard service.
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Sounds like it’s gonna be one hell of an Infrastructure Week again.
re: #12 Charles Johnson
It’s another week in the barrel for Donnie.
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This tweet…
ABC/Ipsos poll:
70% of Americans believe Trump did something wrong
57% want him impeached
51% want him impeached *and* removed from office
21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings
Those are some terrible numbers for Trump after just one week of public hearings.— Josh Jordan (@NumbersMuncher) November 18, 2019
21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings
Damn. Where they gonna be after this week?
re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
The returns will come out. I am almost expecting a Karl Rove-inspired tactics of “leaking” fake documents that will cause a big stir and then can be dismissed as forgeries, like they did with the documents proving that GW Bush ducked his Air National Guard service.
Hmm, leaking faked tax returns to the House of Representatives? Or you mean faked ones into the public media so that when the real ones go to the house they will already be treated as poisoned/sham?
Sounds like a risky tactic either way.
The biggest mystery in @realdonaldtrump’s financial disclosures: he owes more than ***$50 million*** to an LLC that exists mostly on paper. No employees, no office, no assets of its own.
That mystery lender, Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC,
just filed its annual report. This is it. pic.twitter.com/i87B1V8VV0— David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) November 18, 2019
re: #17 jaunte
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Shadow corporations and hiding debt/assets all the way down. Also a good way to hide where the money (if any) is actually coming from.
re: #15 makeitstop
This tweet…
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21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings
Damn. Where they gonna be after this week?
Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be some powerful shit.
re: #16 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Hmm, leaking faked tax returns to the House of Representatives? Or you mean faked ones into the public media so that when the real ones go to the house they will already be treated as poisoned/sham?
Sounds like a risky tactic either way.
leaked to the press, then after the initial flurry dies down, a site like this one will start “revealing” discrepancies.
That will allow the GOP and Fox to really ride in hard with counter-charges.
A tempting proposition for the Machiavellian bastards with limited remaining options little left to lose.
re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
The returns will come out. I am almost expecting a Karl Rove-inspired tactics of “leaking” fake documents that will cause a big stir and then can be dismissed as forgeries, like they did with the documents proving that GW Bush ducked his Air National Guard service.
I updinged you, and then immediately wondered if that was a really bad thing to do on the very website that proved they were forgeries. To this day, I’m not convinced there was ever a legitimate version of that document. Though I will admit, it’s probably more likely that the Rs were intentionally releasing the fake after the rumours started (or had even chummed the water with those rumours themselves) rather than the Dems creating it.
re: #21 Chrysicat
I updinged you, and then immediately wondered if that was a really bad thing to do on the very website that proved they were forgeries. To this day, I’m not convinced there was ever a legitimate version of that document. Though I will admit, it’s probably more likely that the Rs were intentionally releasing the fake after the rumours started (or had even chummed the water with those rumours themselves) rather than the Dems creating it.
This is the New Media Reality.
We cannot compare the situation today to 2004…
re: #21 Chrysicat
I updinged you, and then immediately wondered if that was a really bad thing to do on the very website that proved they were forgeries. To this day, I’m not convinced there was ever a legitimate version of that document. Though I will admit, it’s probably more likely that the Rs were intentionally releasing the fake after the rumours started (or had even chummed the water with those rumours themselves) rather than the Dems creating it.
Boiled down to Rather and others getting heavily suckered because they wanted so badly to find something and then were not willing to properly vet it before running with the story with the fake as the basis for it.
Thank you Charles for posting Oliver’s segment on the 2020 Census. I worked full time as an enumerator during my last two months in Washington this fall. The piece really nails the struggle, and I’ve been that census lady who got harassed by the libertarian.
I’m not sure if I’m going to work for the Bureau again here in Oklahoma, where my wife is now teaching middle school English. I’ll have to decide in the next couple of weeks. On the one hand, working for Trump and Ross in Oklahoma. On the other hand, as Oliver notes, no better FU to Trump than making sure the count is done as thoroughly as possible while modeling ethical governance.
We shall see.
re: #19 goddamnedfrank
Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be some powerful shit.
I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.
re: #25 goddamnedfrank
I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.
I’m assuming Vindman will appear in uniform.
re: #7 Chrysicat
Can I just say, “Fuck Alan Moore, and I don’t mean in the way that Ghastly drew 17 years ago”?
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I honestly feel like he’s giving the entire genre a bum rap, which is somewhat ironic considering how seminal his contributions to it were.
The genre has issues, but both superheroes and the kind of mythology fueling “Birth of a Nation” is less about the latter inspiring the former and about both having a common inspiration in things like Greek and Roman myth, and ancient epics, where the idea of superhuman figures and demi-deities were rife. I mean, that opens up a whole different kettle of fish considering what was considered ‘heroic’ in those myths, but still.
And he seems to discount the idea of the genre ever transcending its roots, whatever you consider those roots to be. Again, an irony considering what he’s done for superheroes and comics in general. Just the idea of treating it as a static and forever stagnant thing seems to dismiss the possibilities of doing something more with superheoes as a framing device. If that were true, we might never have gotten the kinds of messages from X-Men as a civil rights allegory because comics would never have transcended the hardboiled Dick Tracy serials or flights of fancy that the golden age of comics provided.
re: #15 makeitstop
This tweet…
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21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings
Damn. Where they gonna be after this week?
Wait till all the lying to Congress is exposed
re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
and will be criticized for it
By people who never served but who like to wrap themselves in the mythology of the soldier.
re: #28 Citizen K
Well, the comics side of it still has a lot of room to work with in terms of reinventing itself or getting out of some of the particular swamps it has mired itself in. That’s why things like “The Hawkeye Initiative” are out there to point out some things that need to be worked on.
I never got into comics myself. Seemed to skip through it right into reading science fiction in my early teens. By the time I was interacting with people who were comic fans and collectors in college there was a massive back catalog to consider, the sheer illogical parts of it, the constant reboots, etc. I did appreciate given a copy of “Watchmen” to read since it did a pretty thorough deconstruction of the genre and I at least understood most of the tropes it was working through. And by that time I generally appreciated anime more as providing more complex stories, “villain” motivations, and sheer ingenuity at times.
* - Personal anecdote time. Friend of mine who has/was a long-time comic collector in part gave up on collecting a few years back. Partly due to not having time to read them (raising children and job). Partly due to the fact that the newer series were still essentially treating female characters as sex objects in terms of costuming, which he remarked on in a blog post. And partly due to preferring to older comic series (like Kirby stuff) that he could now get electronically and read at his leisure without having to worry about storage.
The number one hashtag on Twitter right now is oktrumper. Heh.
When you realize you paid $1M to incarcerate yourself. #oktrumper pic.twitter.com/vaLusU0u4o
— SportswearTees (@SportswearTees) November 18, 2019
#Breaking: Changing 50 years of US policy, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declares that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are NOT in breach of international law. pic.twitter.com/tO06cByvZi
— Noga Tarnopolsky (@NTarnopolsky) November 18, 2019
re: #25 goddamnedfrank
I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.
Gonna be even harder to thread that needle than trying to trash a woman without looking like you’re trying to trash a woman.
re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
leaked to the press, then after the initial flurry dies down, a site like this one will start “revealing” discrepancies.
That will allow the GOP and Fox to really ride in hard with counter-charges.
A tempting proposition for the Machiavellian bastards with limited remaining options little left to lose.
Independently verifiable via the irs and state
An accounting firms reputation..will never let a doctored one with their name on it go unanswered
Plus if someone tries to pass a fake one in public you can then ask trump hisnlawyers or the house is it accurate
Never happen
re: #33 lawhawk
“I’m going to get Trump out of impeachment if I have to start a Middle East war to do it.”
re: #36 Belafon
“I’m going to get Trump out of impeachment if I have to start a Middle East war to do it.”
we need to recall that Trump still has a lot of Executive aces up his voluminous sleeves
re: #29 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
Wait till all the lying to Congress is exposed
and lying by certain members of Congress
Not only does today’s order tell us nothing about whether the Court will end up taking this case; it tells us nothing about whether the full Court will agree to put the subpoena on hold past this Friday.
That’s why the Chief Justice could enter it on his own—it’s housekeeping.— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) November 18, 2019
This is very bad.
Pompeo will repudiate the State Department’s 41-year-old legal opinion that Israel’s West Bank settlements are illegal, paving the way for further annexation and occupationhttps://t.co/WCcrAnwIaF pic.twitter.com/ddxKYT8560
— Evan Hill (@evanchill) November 18, 2019
That’s a very very expensive distraction from Trump’s crimes.
re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
we need to recall that Trump still has a lot of Executive aces up his voluminous sleeves
Trump is definitely going to shoot for wag the kennel, but all we need to do is ask him if he’s such a great president, then why was Clinton able to deal with impeachment and issues in te Middle East.
Pelosi letter to colleagues: “The facts are uncontested: that the President abused his power for his own personal, political benefit, at the expense of our national security interests.”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) November 18, 2019
Pelosi responds to GOP saying the Ukraine aid was eventually released. “The aid was only released after the whistleblower exposed the truth of the President’s extortion and bribery, and the House launched a formal investigation.”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) November 18, 2019
For the record, I’ve never believed the “Rathergate” documents were deliberately planted. That doesn’t make sense to me at all. In order for this to work, the “planter” would have had to know that nobody in the CBS editorial chain would notice that the documents were fake — and these fakes were laughably obvious. It still amazes me nobody caught them before they appeared on air. This is not how you plant something that you intend to use for political gain.
Occam’s Razor works here. The most likely explanation is that CBS got suckered by a not very good forger. No need for conspiracies.
And to this day, Dan Rather still refuses to accept the docs were fakes, which is just sad.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
Occam’s Razor works here. The most likely explanation is that CBS got suckered by a not very good forger. No need for conspiracies.
regardless, it totally defused and derailed the discussion of GW Bush ducking his Air National Guard service, which was in itself just ducking Vietnam.
The regime in Iran has shut off the Internet to prevent Iranians from sharing their story - one of courage in the face of unspeakable state brutality. I ask @StateDept, @EU_Commission to support the Iranian people and reestablish & preserve Internet connectivity in Iran.
— Reza Pahlavi (@PahlaviReza) November 18, 2019
re: #45 Charles Johnson
And to this day, Dan Rather still refuses to accept the docs were fakes, which is just sad.
While other Journalists have caught out peddling even greater fakes and are still active in business…
Re: downstairs conversation about virgin births
Reminder: This is a simple procedure using contemporary medical technology. I have no doubt there are women who have taken advantage of this process to have a child. No miracle is required.
What if … just hear me out . . what if Barron is the brains behind the USA Singers?
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) November 18, 2019
This is not a denial.
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) November 18, 2019
re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter
Re: downstairs conversation about virgin births
Reminder: This is a simple procedure using contemporary medical technology. I have no doubt there are women who have taken advantage of this process to have a child. No miracle is required.
true. but that technology was probably not known in the 1st century BC…
re: #3 Dr Lizardo
Here’s the actual order. Stay requested by the House Oversight Committee.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
Like how all those years ago, Stern magazine got suckered by the Hitler Diaries…..a laughably clumsy forgery that they fell for hook, line and sinker to the tune of $3.7 million.
re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
regardless, it totally defused and derailed the discussion of GW Bush ducking his Air National Guard service, which was in itself just ducking Vietnam.
Dan Rather could have shut the whole thing down by immediately retracting the story and admitting publicly that he made a mistake, but his ego wouldn’t let him do that. It still won’t let him do that.
re: #40 Charles Johnson
This is very bad.
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Obviously part of the Spawn-of-Trump Middle East Peace Plan.
re: #53 Dr Lizardo
Like how all those years ago, Stern magazine got suckered by the Hitler Diaries…..a laughably clumsy forgery that they fell for hook, line and sinker to the tune of $3.7 million.
At least one of the great German film comedies, Schtonk! came out of it…
re: #50 gocart mozart
Imagine Barron becoming his generation’s Ron Reagan, Jr. and speaking out loudly against Trumpism.
re: #53 Dr Lizardo
Like how all those years ago, Stern magazine got suckered by the Hitler Diaries…..a laughably clumsy forgery that they fell for hook, line and sinker to the tune of $3.7 million.
Sometimes, when you want something to be true, it becomes very easy to ignore the evidence against you
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Now do “Grab them by the pussy.” https://t.co/b3YKjKsZtm
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) November 18, 2019
re: #57 i(m)p(each)sos
Imagine Barron becoming his generation’s Ron Reagan, Jr. and speaking out loudly against Trumpism.
I got coffee for him once
That was enough for me
Looks like the Russians are more than happy with Butina’s performance and are open to giving her a position from which to spread her propaganda further.
Russia offers Maria Butina a job at human rights commission https://t.co/q3iP0mnogW pic.twitter.com/vOENZws9Cu
— The Hill (@thehill) November 18, 2019
re: #31 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Well, the comics side of it still has a lot of room to work with in terms of reinventing itself or getting out of some of the particular swamps it has mired itself in. That’s why things like “The Hawkeye Initiative” are out there to point out some things that need to be worked on.
I never got into comics myself. Seemed to skip through it right into reading science fiction in my early teens. By the time I was interacting with people who were comic fans and collectors in college there was a massive back catalog to consider, the sheer illogical parts of it, the constant reboots, etc. I did appreciate given a copy of “Watchmen” to read since it did a pretty thorough deconstruction of the genre and I at least understood most of the tropes it was working through. And by that time I generally appreciated anime more as providing more complex stories, “villain” motivations, and sheer ingenuity at times.
* - Personal anecdote time. Friend of mine who has/was a long-time comic collector in part gave up on collecting a few years back. Partly due to not having time to read them (raising children and job). Partly due to the fact that the newer series were still essentially treating female characters as sex objects in terms of costuming, which he remarked on in a blog post. And partly due to preferring to older comic series (like Kirby stuff) that he could now get electronically and read at his leisure without having to worry about storage.
Anime has its own issues, and keep in mind that Japan, as insular a nation as it can be, definitely took plenty of western influences to heart. Reminder that Anime codified much of its signature looks initially thanks to early legends like Osamu Tezuka taking inspiration from Disney shorts and features. And considering how many anime pastiches of comic icons such as Batman and Superman there have been, not to mention a tokusatsu adaptation of Spider-man that’s been popular in its own right, there’s been plenty of cross-pollination there to chew on.
As far as comics evolving or devolving far as things like portrayal of women, lets not forget how patriarchal a lot of early female comic portrayals were to begin with. And the 80s and 90s reflected quite a bit far as the edginess and love of anti-heroes that American media all over was embracing, with gratuitous cheesecake and beefcake included. Again, this is why I always recognize quite a lot of irony in what Moore says considering his contributions there, for good and for ill. And there’s definitely been steps to disavow that kind of edginess-for-edginess’s-sake school that defined a good bit of 80s/90s comic trends in the past decade or so. But as you and others have said, still a lot to be done. But I’d argue that a lot of that is just as reflected in other western media as it is in comics, all things considered.
re: #40 Charles Johnson
This is very bad.
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Basically, the US just officially attempted to restore #rightofconquest to international law. Neither Russia nor China will oppose this because they BENEFIT from that restoration; are there enough Muslim or liberal-democratic states left to prevent it becoming official?
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 18, 2019
re: #60 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
If only you showed a similar stance when Trump called *checks notes* anyone he’s targeted with his smears and lies, and projected his crimes on to his rivals.https://t.co/HgwwOjVN7U
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 18, 2019
Everything from Crooked and Lying Hillary to Lying Ted and Shifty Schiff and Sleepin’ Joe.
Trump has a nickname for seemingly everyone who questions Trump’s competency and judgment. Haley seems to have no problem ignoring all that.
re: #40 Charles Johnson
This is very bad.
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Wonder how MBS will react to this? Oh wait — he won’t care. None of the Arab nations are truly concerned about the well-being of the Palestinians. Was this being done to help Bibi or has Trump totally abandoned him as a loser?
re: #40 Charles Johnson
There are three choices for Israel/Palestine:
1. the two state solution
2. a single apartheid state where Israel exists as a Jewish state by denying rights to non-Jews
3. a single democratic pluralistic state that is neither Jewish nor Islamic (this would include some sort of confederated state)
Right now it looks like Option 2 is becoming the policy of the Trump Administration and has been the policy of Netanyahu’s various governments over the years.
re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter
It makes no sense, since Bibi’s not in a position to form a new govt. Ganz has his chance to form a govt without Bibi, which opens the door to Bibi’s indictment (along with his wife, who is already under indictment). This means the Palestinians have nothing to lose by stepping up fighting, and Israel no longer has the US around to be a neutral arbiter (or a “neutral” arbiter). It just means more chaos and a lack of understanding of the issues.
More conflict wont lead to a peaceful resolution here. It just means that the extremist factions in Israel will point to any hostility by Hamas or other terror groups as reason to build still more settlements, making a peace deal ultimately impossible.
Of course, there’s a religious component here too - Israel is a lynchpin in Evangelical End Times apocalyptic visions. More conflict would be to their favor/benefit - even if they’ll learn the hard way there’s no Rapture and they’re not going to heaven for fomenting violence and chaos via Trump.
re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter
Wonder how MBS will react to this? Oh wait — he won’t care. None of the Arab nations are truly concerned about the well-being of the Palestinians. Was this being done to help Bibi or has Trump totally abandoned him as a loser?
MBS will be able to use it as a rallying cry/grievance if/when he’s ready to betray the US. Our friends the Saudis have been using it for decades to complain about us anyway, so won’t change much on that front.
Contractor accused of trafficking unauthorized workers faces trial
Case of Ricardo Batres marks the first time Hennepin County has charged someone with labor trafficking.
Labor-trafficking cases are rarely prosecuted in Minnesota, in part because they are difficult to prove. But Hennepin County prosecutors say they worked with Latino community leaders to help gather evidence.
The statute also took effect in 2005. According to the Minnesota Court Administrator’s Office, state prosecutors filed nine labor-trafficking charges over the past decade, including the charges against Batres. His case marks the first time Hennepin County has ever prosecuted someone under the statute.
The story notes the conditions and hardships that the workers had to endure. This Bartes guy is an asshole and I hope he’s found guilty and is sentenced meaningfully. I wish more employees were charged for this.
re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth
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If I thought for a second this was about anything other than his being placed “back” on the Peacock Throne after a unilateral American invasion takes down the regime that denied its people Net access, I’d be a whole lot more inclined to view that tweet favourably.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
For the record, I’ve never believed the “Rathergate” documents were deliberately planted. That doesn’t make sense to me at all. In order for this to work, the “planter” would have had to know that nobody in the CBS editorial chain would notice that the documents were fake — and these fakes were laughably obvious. It still amazes me nobody caught them before they appeared on air. This is not how you plant something that you intend to use for political gain.
Occam’s Razor works here. The most likely explanation is that CBS got suckered by a not very good forger. No need for conspiracies.
“This is not how you plant something that you intend to use for political gain” cuts both ways. If you’re looking to take down Bush, you wouldn’t do it that clumsily, unless you’re an idiot - which may well be the case!
If you’re looking to discredit people trying to take down Bush, throwing these out there and seeing how far Confirmation Bias will take them is a cheap and easy way to at least drop chaff.
Till someone owns up to doing it, we’ll never know for sure. Personally, I find it easier to believe that someone put this out as a defense for Bush (because they could always anonymously debunk it, if nobody caught it) more believable than that it was intended to take Bush down.
I mean, how hard is it to buy and old typewriter? I got one for $25 at a garage sale, in excellent condition.
re: #64 Teukka
No shit? I mean, not meaning to go full religious nutbar here, but guess what’s under the pin?
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Didn’t even need to zoom in….just from the location alone, I knew it was Megido.
re: #69 lawhawk
It makes no sense, since Bibi’s not in a position to form a new govt. Ganz has his chance to form a govt without Bibi, which opens the door to Bibi’s indictment (along with his wife, who is already under indictment). This means the Palestinians have nothing to lose by stepping up fighting, and Israel no longer has the US around to be a neutral arbiter (or a “neutral” arbiter). It just means more chaos and a lack of understanding of the issues.
More conflict wont lead to a peaceful resolution here. It just means that the extremist factions in Israel will point to any hostility by Hamas or other terror groups as reason to build still more settlements, making a peace deal ultimately impossible.
Of course, there’s a religious component here too - Israel is a lynchpin in Evangelical End Times apocalyptic visions. More conflict would be to their favor/benefit - even if they’ll learn the hard way there’s no Rapture and they’re not going to heaven for fomenting violence and chaos via Trump.
Won’t this interfere even further with the Ganz efforts which were probably doomed to failure anyway? Instead there will be new elections which may restore Netanyahu to power.
re: #76 lawhawk
Armageddon It (Meggido redux)?
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Speaking of which - did you hear that Motley Crue has torn up their ‘no more touring’ decree, and is doing a stadium tour with Leppard and Poison next Summer?
Brexit Party candidate in Scotland:
Watch out, Glenrothes. #GE2019https://t.co/o6oWgAJmgs
— Steph/en Paton ❄️ (@stephenpaton134) November 18, 2019
He’s since already been thrown under the bus by the party.
One of the comments on the story linked above was quite amusing.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! As an advocate and beneficiary of ‘sodomite rights’ and one of Scotland’s finest stately homos, I find this more hilarious than offensive. Real Westboro Baptist Church stuff.
I’m guessing Victor Robert Farrell isn’t much fun at a crystal meth orgy, but then again, who knows? Its often those who protest most vociferously who’re the real sling slvts.
re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter
Won’t this interfere even further with the Ganz efforts which were probably doomed to failure anyway? Instead there will be new elections which may restore Netanyahu to power.
That was my conclusion, that this is an effort to put yet another thumb on the scale by A) undermining Ganz’s efforts and B) helping Bibi in the event of another election by driving up support for a “strong” gov’t centered around him.
re: #77 makeitstop
Yup. Saw that.
They’ll keep performing since that’s how they can maintain their lifestyles - touring revenues can rake in more than royalties.
re: #25 goddamnedfrank
I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.
Will they really lean into the treason argument?
re: #74 Dr Lizardo
Didn’t even need to zoom in….just from the location alone, I knew it was Megido.
Figured some would. More and more points towards the prevailing powers in the Republican Party are intentionally trying to “force God’s hand”, i.e. cause Armageddon in Har Megido. This has NOPE written all over it.
re: #76 lawhawk
Armageddon It (Meggido redux)?
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My fave Armageddon Related piece (this is a medley of the OST):
Theme isolated, piano:
And I need time to come up with a curse if something happens which would need this scoring (it will be expletive-laden):
Don’t forget, Mike Pompeo is a far right religious fanatic who believes in the Rapture. So he has a strong personal motive for promoting this reckless idiocy.https://t.co/SAwwCfcb84
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
re: #77 makeitstop
Speaking of which - did you hear that Motley Crue has torn up their ‘no more touring’ decree, and is doing a stadium tour with Leppard and Poison next Summer?
My favorite reversal on the no more tours thing was Ozzy Osbourne back in the late 90s or early aughts who retired and a year late was like “fuck that shit” and launched his Retirement Sucks tour.
re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth
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IMHO, leaning on the “we can’t just leave this to the election” bit is the best strategy right now. Spelling out not only that Trump was attempting to corrupt those elections, but that just dropping impeachment in favor of “leaving it to the voters” would be a blow to Congressional oversight it may never overcome. A position that Trump did something that was not only wrong but criminal, but it’s not Congress’ job to hold him responsible would leave him open to royally fuck the country over such that he could just choose to ignore an electoral loss and remain in office.
re: #19 goddamnedfrank
Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be some powerful shit.
Especially after Gym Jordan and his thugs sling the 💩
The immediate reality is that Pompeo, likely under Donny’s orders, just wiped his ass with Jared’s “peace plan.”
Does fucking the Palenstinians help Putin in any way or is this just a consolation prize for Trump?
I guess it’s too much to expect the WH press corps to ask Pompeo how much his personal religious beliefs are affecting this bizarre, regressive policy.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
#BREAKING: The House of Representatives is now investigating whether Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers about Wikileaks, the House’s general counsel said in federal court Monday.https://t.co/ivC7dtqm17
— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) November 18, 2019
During Roger Stone’s trial last week, Rick Gates testified about a July 31, 2016 phone call he witnessed while riding in a car w/ Trump. That was 9 days after Wikileaks released the hacked DNC emails. Gates says he saw Stone’s # on Trump’s caller ID and heard Stone’s voice… 1/
— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) November 18, 2019
Gates’ testimony suggests that Trump was in direct contact with Roger Stone about Wikileaks AND that Trump was getting updates on what Stone was telling other campaign associates about Wikileaks.
Trump denied both of those things in his written answers to Mueller. 3/— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) November 18, 2019
Perhaps now is a good time to remember that Trump mentioned Wikileaks more than 140 times in the final month of the 2016 campaign. pic.twitter.com/91RzHxiZpC
— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) November 18, 2019
re: #28 Citizen K
I honestly feel like he’s giving the entire genre a bum rap, which is somewhat ironic considering how seminal his contributions to it were.
Sturgeon’s Law
“How can you work in that genre? 90% of it is crap.”
“90% of everything is crap.”
re: #87 Targetpractice
The immediate reality is that Pompeo, likely under Donny’s orders, just wiped his ass with Jared’s “peace plan.”
Peace plan? Fucker’s gonna set the damn world ablaze…
re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg
Does fucking the Palenstinians help Putin in any way or is this just a consolation prize for Trump?
Further weakens US standing in the region and around the world as a potential arbitrator. Potentially fucks with various US alliances in the region (while MBS probably doesn’t actually care about Palestine, other Arab leaders in the region probably do). Undermines US leadership on things like human rights and its leadership position in the Post War/Post Cold War world order.
So, yeah, in broad terms, it helps Putin.
Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be powerful, but I’m looking forward most to Sondland on Wednesday. There’s really no way he avoids jail and avoids throwing Trump under the bus. Even pleading the fifth is unlikely to stop a perjury charge in light of recent revelations. And that leaves the Repubs in an absolutely horrid position, because the more they attack him, the more likely it is that he decides he’s better off just coming clean in the hopes of leniency.
EU rejects @SecPompeo’s statement on settlements, says its position on settlements is “clear and remains unchanged: all settlement activity is illegal under international law and it erodes the viability of the two-state solution and the prospects for a lasting peace.”
— Raphael Ahren (@RaphaelAhren) November 18, 2019
re: #97 makeitstop
Could this be a pretext for bailing from NATO?
Or the other way around, European Nations nixing NATO.
re: #33 lawhawk
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Evangelicals will love this. Reform and conservative Jews WILL NOT. Our denominations are strongly in favor of a 2-state solution, and this fucks that up big time.
re: #97 makeitstop
Beats me. Trump’s setting all of our alliances and partnerships aflame, and the only ones consistently benefiting from this chaos is Russia. China is a runnerup, as is North Korea.
re: #57 i(m)p(each)sos
Imagine Barron becoming his generation’s Ron Reagan, Jr. and speaking out loudly against Trumpism.
Don’t count on it. His mother is a vile human being as well as his father. They’re both complete assholes.
re: #90 Dread Pirate
Perhaps now is a good time to remember that Trump mentioned Wikileaks more than 140 times in the final month of the 2016 campaign.
“Complete coincidence nothing to see here moveon and did you know that America has meddled in Elections around the world so were just as bad.”
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Feature request:
It would be nice if I could login without loosing my place in the thread.
Perhaps the location could be remembered and scrolled to?
Every time I’m logged out I have to go back and scroll.
re: #82 Teukka
The ending sequence of T3 saved the film. Brilliantly done.
At the opposite end of that, the opening sequence of Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is absolutely astonishing, genuinely moving and beautiful. Sadly, the rest of the film is mediocre at best.
re: #81 Mike Lamb
Will they really lean into the treason argument?
Hard to predict, really. On the one hand left to their own counsel that’s almost certainly what the combative members like Jordan would be prone to attempt, on the other hand the optics and blowback would be terrible. The fact that we haven’t seen any of the dirt Trump promised about Vindman come out tells me that they couldn’t come up with anything. My tentative guess is that they’ll try to focus on the reliability of his recollection, especially in regards to hearing the word Burisma, because Vindman and Williams undermining the validity of the “transcript” upends Trump’s last vestige of a defense.
Yep. It’s a cult, all right. pic.twitter.com/Lpm8D0Zyzu
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
re: #104 Dr Lizardo
I always prefer a strong ending saving a softer opening than the other way around. I swear a lot of time the filmmakers just get tired toward the end and are all like: “Okay, what’s the quickest fucking way we can wrap this up and get out of here?”
re: #106 Charles Johnson
I’m having flashbacks to Jim Hofts “Orbital fracture” image.
re: #106 Charles Johnson
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They so desperately want to turn him into some kind of hypermasculine Conan-esque figure of conquest, like Big Brother, Superman, and Hercules all at once.
re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg
I always prefer a strong ending saving a softer opening than the other way around. I swear a lot of time the filmmakers just get tired toward the end and are all like: “Okay, what’s the quickest fucking way we can wrap this up and get out of here?”
Definitely.
Personally, when it comes to the opening of Valerian….yeah, I want to see that movie.
re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹
Taking credit for an undocumented alien.
Figures.
All Trump does throughout his history is inherit his wealth, take credit for work of others, and lie endlessly. This tweet is a perfect encapsulation of the grift/con.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 18, 2019
re: #105 goddamnedfrank
Hard to predict, really. On the one hand left to their own counsel that’s almost certainly what the combative members like Jordan would be prone to attempt, on the other hand the optics and blowback would be terrible. The fact that we haven’t seen any of the dirt Trump promised about Vindman come out tells me that they couldn’t come up with anything. My tentative guess is that they’ll try to focus on the reliability of his recollection, especially in regards to hearing the word Burisma, because Vindman and Williams undermining the validity of the “transcript” upends Trump’s last vestige of a defense.
Their biggest landmine in dealing with Vindman is he is the very thing they spent all last week insisting was the gold standard for testimony: He’s a first-hand witness to the call. So the best they can possibly hope to do is try to undermine his credibility, something that requires subtlety and preparation. But they’ve failed to show they’re capable of either of those things, so instead we’ll get the sledgehammer blows that will only further the reality that they’re scared of what he has to say.
This shit just put me off my lunch.
If I wanted to give political donations to an egotistical billionaire I’d be a Republican
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 18, 2019
Sounds familiar. It’s like what Russia did here
— larry israel (@larryisrael2) November 18, 2019
I wonder how many kids who were in Disneyland that day died in Vietnam for Nixon’s folly. https://t.co/pfqETONKpj
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
The U.S. has broken a record.
We now have over 100,000 children in immigrant-related custody, per a United Nations study.
We’re literally the top country in the world for locking up children.https://t.co/rH96JpF0PE— RAICES (@RAICESTEXAS) November 18, 2019
In the next two days, you’ve got the GOP’s two worst nightmares: A first-hand witness who will say that the call was not “perfect” and the transcript full of holes, and somebody who was in almost constant contact with Trump throughout the events in question. The Repubs can only attack the former at their own peril, while going after the latter with hammer and tongs will only drive him into the arms of federal investigators to avoid ending up in a cell next to Stone at Club Fed.
The “BSAB” crowd have their work cut out for them this week.
re: #118 Charles Johnson
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I’m going to guess they were all wealthy, privileged kids.
re: #100 lawhawk
Beats me. Trump’s
setting all of our alliances and partnerships aflame, and the only ones consistently benefiting from this chaos is Russia. China is a runnerup, as is North KoreaMAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN AND SHOWING THE WORLD WHO’S BOSS!!!.
re: #119 jaunte
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Making America Great…by making the Third Reich look like pikers.
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re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Hail Hydra
re: #106 Charles Johnson
I’m sorry. I know big guys. Thump is built like my ex (except John was taller by about 3”). Trump is pushing - if not over - 300 lbs.
‘Leopard print’ shirt is actually tiled portraits of Ruth Bader Ginsburg https://t.co/hVRTCojzG3 #TheResistance #Resist pic.twitter.com/xSvGMHXif5
— Apple Pie Overlord (@Pie_Overlord) November 18, 2019
re: #118 Charles Johnson
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“All major theme parks have delays. When they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!”
“Yeah, but, John, if The Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don’t eat the tourists.”
re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter
Re: downstairs conversation about virgin births
Reminder: This is a simple procedure using contemporary medical technology. I have no doubt there are women who have taken advantage of this process to have a child. No miracle is required.
The first artificial insemination took place in the late 1700s. I don’t have any details, but I suspect it was a version of the turkey baster method.
I remember how people thought Louise Brown (born 1978) was going to be some sort of freak or the antichrist because she was conceived via IVF. Obviously neither of those things happened, she’s just a 41 YO British woman who is more a curiosity than anything else.
re: #117 Dave In Austin
Looks a whole lot like my lunch.
re: #118 Charles Johnson
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
re: #94 Targetpractice
Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be powerful, but I’m looking forward most to Sondland on Wednesday. There’s really no way he avoids jail and avoids throwing Trump under the bus. Even pleading the fifth is unlikely to stop a perjury charge in light of recent revelations. And that leaves the Repubs in an absolutely horrid position, because the more they attack him, the more likely it is that he decides he’s better off just coming clean in the hopes of leniency.
i donated paid a million dollars for an ambassadorship and all i got was this lousy indictment
re: #98 Teukka
Or the other way around, European Nations nixing NATO.
Pretty doubtful. Israel/Palestine is not on NATO’s radar.
re: #94 Targetpractice
Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be powerful, but I’m looking forward most to Sondland on Wednesday. There’s really no way he avoids jail and avoids throwing Trump under the bus. Even pleading the fifth is unlikely to stop a perjury charge in light of recent revelations. And that leaves the Repubs in an absolutely horrid position, because the more they attack him, the more likely it is that he decides he’s better off just coming clean in the hopes of leniency.
He could lie and hope Trump pardons him (I don’t think Trump will because he is loyal only to himself). But that just turns into another article of impeachment.
re: #132 KGxvi
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
And IIRC, JFK inherited it from Eisenhower. France’s defeat at Dien Bien Phu happened on Ike’s watch
re: #131 plansbandc
It WAS mine. A treat on the way home from the Doc.
re: #132 KGxvi
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
My uncle was there (MAAG Vietnam) under Eisenhower thanks to the Dulles brothers. Truman sent its predecessor, MAAG Indochina.
re: #135 KGxvi
He could lie and hope Trump pardons him (I don’t think Trump will because he is loyal only to himself). But that just turns into another article of impeachment.
Too much of a gamble at this point. Stone might get away with it as Trump could do it on the way out the door. But assuming Sondland lied/plead the fifth on Wednesday, the prosecution could just slow walk things in such a way that he’d be before a jury too late to hope for such a pardon. Given the seriousness of events, prosecutors probably won’t even bother offering a plea deal, given the track record of those who’ve lied to Congress.
re: #137 Dave In Austin
Same basic setup, but flautas instead of enchiladas.
re: #132 KGxvi
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
re: #139 Targetpractice
Too much of a gamble at this point. Stone might get away with it as Trump could do it on the way out the door. But assuming Sondland lied/plead the fifth on Wednesday, the prosecution could just slow walk things in such a way that he’d be before a jury too late to hope for such a pardon. Given the seriousness of events, prosecutors probably won’t even bother offering a plea deal, given the track record of those who’ve lied to Congress.
Like I said, I think Trump will leave anyone who doesn’t have his last name out to dry (even Jared). But it is entirely possible that if it looks like the Senate trial is going to go against him, he just holes up and starts signing pardons until the verdict is rendered and Pence is sworn in. And those pardons could be done irrespective of whether a conviction has happened or not.
re: #132 KGxvi
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
One of the worst things about Vietnam is that it all seemed to make perfect sense as we were getting into it, given the generally accepted view of the political world at the time. The future of the whole world was going to be determined by the conflict between Communism and Freedom, and the Godless Communists would stop at nothing to win, so we couldn’t let them gain any more ground.
Plus Johnson was lied to by the Pentagon about how well we were doing, and whether we were on the verge of victory.
re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
true. but that technology was probably not known in the 1st century BC…
The grim reality of being a woman in pretty much any time, including today, is that Jesus could have been the product of a sexual assault. Which is my second thought as to what I think actually happened, after the most obvious, which is that Mary and Joseph got a jump start on the wedding night.
The thing we have to keep in mind is that Galatians, an authentic letter of Paul’s, has nothing to say about a virgin birth. In fact, Gal 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman, born under the law.” Which excludes a lot of fancy thinking, in my mind, that Mary was a virgin, or that Mary herself was immaculately conceived. In fact, Paul didn’t *care* about Jesus’ birth. Neither did the writer of the Gospel of Mark, who just launches into John the Baptist and skips the whole infancy and childhood narratives.
I’m gonna be blunt and say that I believe the virgin birth idea is one of the worst things to come out of Christianity. It does nothing good for women at all. That’s because no other woman could be a virgin mother and give birth (at least before the late 1700s) without sex. It made sex dirty when it was wedded to original sin (no thanks to Augustine). The virgin birth is unhelpful as hell.
Useless, useless, useless, useless.
We don’t need to be in his head. Intent > Tone, Impact > Intent. When he creates racist atmosphere and institutes policy that is racist, it doesn’t matter if he’s a true believer or an opportunistic cynic, the result is racist all the same.— Witness Imtimidation, K? (@Citizen_Kryptik) November 18, 2019
And those journalists tend to “both sides” the issues of racism, anti-semitism, and the like and their attempts to be the ‘view from Nowhere’ simply create an equivalence where there should be none. Their attempts to be neutral obfuscate objective facts when people act racist.
— Witness Imtimidation, K? (@Citizen_Kryptik) November 18, 2019
I have only so many fucking tables to flip.
re: #132 KGxvi
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
Nixon can take credit for expanding it into Cambodia
re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
And Laos. And screwing a nascent deal ahead of the 1968 election.
in case nobody posted this
David Holmes opening statement to the House impeachment inquiry is an absolute blockbuster. Makes clear not only that Trump was directing Sondland’s actions but that everything in US-Ukr relations was predicated on the Burisma investigation https://t.co/zMzrJm84HY
— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) November 18, 2019
re: #145 mmmirele
I always think of this scene from Snatch when it comes to the story of the virgin birth:
I suspect that most of the stories developed after the life of Jesus, and they pretty obviously borrowed from other ancient stories of gods and demigods. I’m generally of the opinion that he is either a completely mythological character, or an amalgamation of multiple preachers from the era.
Vietnam is one of those horrors of US foreign policy that only looks worse the further back you go.
Nixon made a total hash of things, but he was only working off the escalation that had started LBJ.
LBJ escalated the war largely because it was one of the few pieces of JFK’s foreign policy legacy that wasn’t totally blighted (at the time) by the shitshow that CIA “estimates.”
JFK went big on Vietnam because of said “estimates” leaving him cleaning up Eisenhower’s messes.
And Eisenhower got involved in Vietnam because the Soviets capitalized on the promises made by Truman and FDR to Uncle Ho to support Vietnamese independence in exchange for their help ejecting Japanese troops from Indochina during WWII.
And note that you could stretch things even further back to the smoking remains of WWI and the peace negotiations that took place among them, when Uncle Ho tried (and failed) to convince the Wilson administration to support Vietnamese independence.
re: #142 KGxvi
Like I said, I think Trump will leave anyone who doesn’t have his last name out to dry (even Jared). But it is entirely possible that if it looks like the Senate trial is going to go against him, he just holes up and starts signing pardons until the verdict is rendered and Pence is sworn in. And those pardons could be done irrespective of whether a conviction has happened or not.
by then it’s likely too late for him
if the senate trial is going against him, everyone’s testified, or admitted, or something
wild ass pardoning is a hell of an admission
and if he pardons everyone involved in this conspiracy we’re back to “can a president pardon himself and/or other people involved in a (criminal) conspiracy with him”
and further, if more info comes out re Russian and 2016 and any trump involvement - ie mueller et al, then the question becomes ‘can a president use the pardon power to pardon himself for crimes committed to gain the office and the pardon power”
my head hurts just thinking about it
re: #145 mmmirele
Agreed about the virgin birth thing.
In my personal belief, I find the idea that Mary was a 13 year old girl raped by a Roman soldier to be the most likely as it fits the greatest number of the other wize contradictory stories together.
Urrrrrgh. “Than if it DOES” [mean that Trump isn’t planning to conquer]. Love the ambiguity when I’m trying to be paranoid.
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 18, 2019
Those Americans settled at gunpoint SHOULDN’T be looking at death once international law is restored to normal, but should definitely be expelled back to truly-US territory when MX sovereignty is restored. The entire military chain of command should once again be put to death.
— (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) November 18, 2019
re: #142 KGxvi
Like I said, I think Trump will leave anyone who doesn’t have his last name out to dry (even Jared). But it is entirely possible that if it looks like the Senate trial is going to go against him, he just holes up and starts signing pardons until the verdict is rendered and Pence is sworn in. And those pardons could be done irrespective of whether a conviction has happened or not.
The only thing that might keep Sondland from rolling on Wednesday would be an explicit promise of a pardon. But given that this is the gang that couldn’t corrupt straight, it’s almost inevitable that such an promise would be made public. And that would pretty much be the nail in the coffin, not only of Donny’s presidency, but any hope the GOP have of avoiding a total bloodbath next November.
re: #145 mmmirele
I’m gonna be blunt and say that I believe the virgin birth idea is one of the worst things to come out of Christianity. It does nothing good for women at all. That’s because no other woman could be a virgin mother and give birth (at least before the late 1700s) without sex. It made sex dirty when it was wedded to original sin (no thanks to Augustine). The virgin birth is unhelpful as hell.
This whole obsession with virginal purity was just about protecting property rights (virgins are worth more on the marketplace) and inheritance (a virgin bride means that at least the first-born will definitely belong to the husband).
re: #145 mmmirele
The grim reality of being a woman in pretty much any time, including today, is that Jesus could have been the product of a sexual assault. Which is my second thought as to what I think actually happened, after the most obvious, which is that Mary and Joseph got a jump start on the wedding night.
The thing we have to keep in mind is that Galatians, an authentic letter of Paul’s, has nothing to say about a virgin birth. In fact, Gal 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman, born under the law.” Which excludes a lot of fancy thinking, in my mind, that Mary was a virgin, or that Mary herself was immaculately conceived. In fact, Paul didn’t *care* about Jesus’ birth. Neither did the writer of the Gospel of Mark, who just launches into John the Baptist and skips the whole infancy and childhood narratives.
I’m gonna be blunt and say that I believe the virgin birth idea is one of the worst things to come out of Christianity. It does nothing good for women at all. That’s because no other woman could be a virgin mother and give birth (at least before the late 1700s) without sex. It made sex dirty when it was wedded to original sin (no thanks to Augustine). The virgin birth is unhelpful as hell.
i have no (ahem) dog in this fight so to be a wet blanket, this whole discussion is an explanation of the birth of a child.
it assumes these were in reality, fact and truth, actual specific individual people at all.
re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
This whole obsession with virginal purity was just about protecting property rights (virgins are worth more on the marketplace) and inheritance (a virgin bride means that at least the first-born will definitely belong to the husband).
Sure, that’s the big part of it. But don’t leave out the importance of yet another opportunity to deprive women of agency in their own sexuality.
The new season of The Crown is excellent. I highly recommend the show.
re: #157 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
i have no (ahem) dog in this fight so to be a wet blanket, this whole discussion is an explanation of the birth of a child.
it assumes these were in reality, fact and truth, actual specific individual people at all.
(I like to say, “I don’t have a god in this fight.”)
re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White
Sure, that’s the big part of it. But don’t leave out the importance of yet another opportunity to deprive women of agency in their own sexuality.
Which again, was about protecting property rights and ensuring that it was inherited by your own spawn and not another’s…
re: #146 Citizen K
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right and he’s not smart enough to have the corrupt intent to create this conspiracy with ukraine
dean, you do know that trump is a racist. you’re just afraid to say so because you dont know how it would play out financially.
excuses. evasion and excuses. trump is exactly what he says and does. no less and certainly no more.
And for those taking notes at home, Donny has already been caught offering to pardon Cohen for lying to Congress. So even if he wasn’t caught red-handed doing the same again, it would be almost impossible for Sondland to either lie or plead the fifth on Wednesday and not immediately lead to investigations into whether a pardon had been offered.
re: #157 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
i have no (ahem) dog in this fight so to be a wet blanket, this whole discussion is an explanation of the birth of a child.
it assumes these were in reality, fact and truth, actual specific individual people at all.
Also, this is what I was getting at on the last thread, when I talked about some believers trying to ‘explain’ miracles in non-miraculous ways. It strikes me as silly, because what’s the point of arguing for a non-miraculous explanation? An easier non-miraculous explanation is somebody made it up, as you suggest.
You can believe in the divinity of Jesus without having to buy into the miracles. You can buy into the philosophy of making Earth like the Kingdom of Heaven without believing in the divinity of Jesus.
re: #155 Targetpractice
The only thing that might keep Sondland from rolling on Wednesday would be an explicit promise of a pardon. But given that this is the gang that couldn’t corrupt straight, it’s almost inevitable that such an promise would be made public. And that would pretty much be the nail in the coffin, not only of Donny’s presidency, but any hope the GOP have of avoiding a total bloodbath next November.
i dont think sondland’s that good of an actor/diplomat. he doesnt have the skills.
sometime during his stonewalling testimony someone up there will figure it out and pose the question directly, prefacing it with all the dire consequences that might or might not befall the ‘ambassador’
re: #132 KGxvi
Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.
Right, but Nixon and Henry Kissinger extended the war for political gain, by sabotaging the 1968 peace negotiations during his presidential campaign, even as he publicly said he was against the war. It’s as much Nixon’s folly as anyone else’s.
re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White
Also, this is what I was getting at on the last thread, when I talked about some believers trying to ‘explain’ miracles in non-miraculous ways. It strikes me as silly, because what’s the point of arguing for a non-miraculous explanation? An easier non-miraculous explanation is somebody made it up, as you suggest.
You can believe in the divinity of Jesus without having to buy into the miracles. You can buy into the philosophy of making Earth like the Kingdom of Heaven without believing in the divinity of Jesus.
You can see the Bible as the inspired Word of God without having to take it all literally.
re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Which again, was about protecting property rights and ensuring that it was inherited by your own spawn and not another’s…
No, I’m talking about degrading and disempowering women being the icing on that cake.
re: #165 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
i dont think sondland’s that good of an actor/diplomat. he doesnt have the skills.
sometime during his stonewalling testimony someone up there will figure it out and pose the question directly, prefacing it with all the dire consequences that might or might not befall the ‘ambassador’
Oh, I’m sure Mr. Goldman has some variation of “Have you been offered a pardon or a promise of leniency by anyone in this administration in exchange for your refusal to testify?” at the ready. There would be no way to answer that without incriminating himself and the WH.
re: #166 Charles Johnson
Right, but Nixon and Henry Kissinger extended the war for political gain, by sabotaging the 1968 peace negotiations during his presidential campaign, even as he publicly said he was against the war. It’s as much Nixon’s folly as anyone else’s.
Yep Nixon didn’t start the war but he did hurt the peace process.
re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
You can see the Bible as the inspired Word of God without having to take it all literally.
In fact, it works better that way, but it makes people uncomfortable with uncertainty squirm.
What Nixon did was truly despicable - he needed more Americans to die so he could win the election running on an anti-war platform.
re: #159 plansbandc
The new season of The Crown is excellent. I highly recommend the show.
the scene with the postage stamps was a great way to transition Claire Foy to Olivia Colman
and Tobias Menzies is like everywhere. im still not over hating him from outlander ;-)
Trump official Mina Chang quits after being busted inflating her resuméhttps://t.co/BAm9xKCTZG
— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 18, 2019
re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White
No, I’m talking about degrading and disempowering women being the icing on that cake.
Okay, but I think that this whole issue only arose when we started owning property, first livestock, and then real estate. When all you own is what you carry, the matter of paternity is not as important.
But of course, those bearded old goatherders probably really enjoyed treating their women like chattel.
re: #172 Charles Johnson
What Nixon did was truly despicable - he needed more Americans to die so he could win the election running on an anti-war platform.
But he had a secret plan to end the war!
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re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White
(I like to say, “I don’t have a god in this fight.”)
well of course
someone around here uses ‘dog’ so i was riffing on that
NEW: David Holmes, the aide for William Taylor who overheard President Trump and EU Amb Gordon Sondland talking about Trump wanting investigations into Bidens from Ukraine, will testify publicly on Thursday alongside Fiona Hill.
— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) November 18, 2019
re: #179 jaunte
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That’s a wise bit of timing, as it keeps Sondland from listening to Holmes’ testimony and figuring out what his lies are going to be.
re: #179 jaunte
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Anyone want to be that Trump had a panic attack on Saturday and insisted on being taken to Walter Reed because he didn’t trust the WH Medical Unit?
re: #180 Targetpractice
That’s a wise bit of timing, as it keeps Sondland from listening to Holmes’ testimony and figuring out what his lies are going to be.
Telling the truth is so much easier.
re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White
Or he was literally shitting bricks… Bender style.
re: #183 lawhawk
Or he was literally shitting bricks… Bender style.
Maybe all those difficult early-morning shitting sessions blew out his O-ring.
/
re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White
Anyone want to be that Trump had a panic attack on Saturday and insisted on being taken to Walter Reed because he didn’t trust the WH Medical Unit?
I can see him actually believing the thing Reagan jokes about after being shot. The books about these times in the years to come are going to be something.
re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White
Also, this is what I was getting at on the last thread, when I talked about some believers trying to ‘explain’ miracles in non-miraculous ways. It strikes me as silly, because what’s the point of arguing for a non-miraculous explanation? An easier non-miraculous explanation is somebody made it up, as you suggest.
You can believe in the divinity of Jesus without having to buy into the miracles. You can buy into the philosophy of making Earth like the Kingdom of Heaven without believing in the divinity of Jesus.
dont get me started on miracles. because either
- God can break natural laws as we understand them, and only god can
or
- God is working within the framework of natural law at a level we have yet to discover but could one day harness.
either way a miracle is not what it is commonly construed to be
re: #169 Targetpractice
Oh, I’m sure Mr. Goldman has some variation of “Have you been offered a pardon or a promise of leniency by anyone in this administration in exchange for your refusal to testify?” at the ready. There would be no way to answer that without incriminating himself and the WH.
precisely and ezzacto
re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Okay, but I think that this whole issue only arose when we started owning property, first livestock, and then real estate. When all you own is what you carry, the matter of paternity is not as important.
But of course, those bearded old goatherders probably really enjoyed treating their women like chattel.
62 years of observation, plus some study of history, has left me with a pretty jaundiced view of my own gender. A lot of us are real creeps.
(as an aside, Mrs. FBW and I have been bingewatching “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend”, and the 4 female ‘buddies’ did a song, “Let’s Generalize About Men!”, which was pretty funny)
re: #186 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
dont get me started on miracles. because either
- God can break natural laws as we understand them, and only god can
or
- God is working within the framework of natural law at a level we have yet to discover but could one day harness.either way a miracle is not what it is commonly construed to be
Creationists get mad when I use the term “Magic”, but it’s really what we’re talking about.
re: #185 HappyWarrior
I can see him actually believing the thing Reagan jokes about after being shot. The books about these times in the years to come are going to be something.
Assuming we’re still reading. If not, the picture books will be something…..
The next three days are gonna absolutely suck for Repubs.
Tuesday they’ve got Vindman to pretty much put a stake into the heart of the “perfect” transcript.
Wednesday is Sondland either giving up the whole game or engaging in self-immolation to protect Dear Leader.
And Thursday caps it with Holmes ending the whole “He was concerned about corruption!” BS while either capping Sondland’s admissions or dousing him with more kerosene to keep the flames going.
Faux is gonna be spinning faster than a jet turbine.
Hate to break it to you guys, but Chick-Fil-A did the market research, ran the numbers, and decided that there’s more money to be made by siding with majority opinion
Capitalism. Deal with it https://t.co/fMKBHhyrWg— Quid Pro Wisco🏴☠️ (@Wisco) November 18, 2019
re: #191 Targetpractice
The next three days are gonna absolutely suck for Repubs.
Tuesday they’ve got Vindman to pretty much put a stake into the heart of the “perfect” transcript.
Wednesday is Sondland either giving up the whole game or engaging in self-immolation to protect Dear Leader.
And Thursday caps it with Holmes ending the whole “He was concerned about corruption!” BS while either capping Sondland’s admissions or dousing him with more kerosene to keep the flames going.
Faux is gonna be spinning faster than a jet turbine.
Time to replay the 2016 favorites so their base is angry at President Hilary.
re: #192 lawhawk
Fiduciary responsibility and all that.
re: #192 lawhawk
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“THESE BOYCOTTS ARE WRONG! THIS IS RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! MORE CHICKEN SANDWICHES FOR THE FAITHFUL!”
“Yeah, we’re cutting ties with all these anti-LGBTQ charities…”
“HOW DARE YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON GOD! BOYCOTT!!!!”
re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White
Creationists get mad when I use the term “Magic”, but it’s really what we’re talking about.
i distinguish the two
conventional magic is based on a fib. we accept that we are being lied to and it could be explained to us. the willing suspension of disbelief
a miracle is a substitute explanation for the inability to admit we collectively don’t know how the trick is done and no one’s gonna tell us.
re: #195 Targetpractice
“THESE BOYCOTTS ARE WRONG! THIS IS RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! MORE CHICKEN SANDWICHES FOR THE FAITHFUL!”
“Yeah, we’re cutting ties with all these anti-LGBTQ charities…”
“HOW DARE YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON GOD! BOYCOTT!!!!”
I’m sure they’d eat Trump brand antifreeze if it came to that.
re: #191 Targetpractice
The next three days are gonna absolutely suck for Repubs.
Tuesday they’ve got Vindman to pretty much put a stake into the heart of the “perfect” transcript.
Wednesday is Sondland either giving up the whole game or engaging in self-immolation to protect Dear Leader.
And Thursday caps it with Holmes ending the whole “He was concerned about corruption!” BS while either capping Sondland’s admissions or dousing him with more kerosene to keep the flames going.
Faux is gonna be spinning faster than a jet turbine.
if only we could harness that power for good instead of evil….
re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White
One of the worst things about Vietnam is that it all seemed to make perfect sense as we were getting into it, given the generally accepted view of the political world at the time. The future of the whole world was going to be determined by the conflict between Communism and Freedom, and the Godless Communists would stop at nothing to win, so we couldn’t let them gain any more ground.
I think the wrongness of that “generally accepted view” was apparent pretty early on; that was the whole couldn’t-publically-explain reason behind Ike’s warning about the military industrial complex. (all the evidence was classified, if he shared it sources and methods would have been compromised)
Brexit party candidate for Glenrothes declares war on the LGBTQ community: https://t.co/riTnuXy6tb https://t.co/bRcV0AdRBj
— Charlie Stross (@cstross) November 18, 2019
“Sharp-teethed packs of Jezebel” is the name of my new band.
— Charlie Stross (@cstross) November 18, 2019
re: #196 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
i distinguish the two
conventional magic is based on a fib. we accept that we are being lied to and it could be explained to us. the willing suspension of disbelief
a miracle is a substitute explanation for the inability to admit we collectively don’t know how the trick is done and no one’s gonna tell us.
Right, but the whole point of Magic, whether of the miraculous or the legerdemain sort is that it violates the laws of physics - that dead guy can’t come back to life, or that card leap from your hand to my inside breast pocket.
Or when The Joker says, “I’m gonna make this pencil disappear.”
Pelosi issued a scathing public statement upon the release of the call document. There is no evidence she privately said it was exculpatory or underwhelming. Trump has now invented five fictional quotes from her. https://t.co/NyBhCUSIG7
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) November 18, 2019
But not to worry, I’m sure the wingnuts will have an excuse before week’s end for why they can continue to support Chik-Fil-A so as not to give up their chicken sandwiches.
At least we have our priorities straight; the shootings may continue, but by god we won’t let it interfere with finishing a football game!
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) November 18, 2019
Desperate times call for stupid measures. https://t.co/TPvOyy5MNp
— Schooley (@Rschooley) November 18, 2019
I served on active duty in the U.S. Air Force. This picture of a Russian flag flying over an American airbase is an embarrassment to the United States of America.
It’s a stark example of what happens when @realDonaldTrump repeatedly kneels before Vladimir Putin.#MondayThoughts https://t.co/f3U1qLWBbR— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) November 18, 2019
re: #203 Dread Pirate
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I’d like to hear Schiff tomorrow note that Trump keeps insisting upon attacking the investigation of his criminal acts by using second/third/fourth person “quotes,” yet Repubs on the relevant committees continue to insist that if you didn’t personally partake in the conversation then nothing you say can be taken at face value.
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So did Republicans impeach Bill Clinton to overturn 1996?
re: #200 sagehen
I think the wrongness of that “generally accepted view” was apparent pretty early on; that was the whole couldn’t-publically-explain reason behind Ike’s warning about the military industrial complex. (all the evidence was classified, if he shared it sources and methods would have been compromised)
I’d say that up till 1968, the generally accepted view was that the generally accepted view was correct.
I mean clearly as you go from 1965 to 1969, there’s a big drop over time in how many people thought the whole thing was justified, but it took time to get there. Time, and television, and dead young men that everyone in town knew, and struggled to find a believable justification for.
I hope when pig President is gone we go in and blow those bases to rubble.
Way to go Ben Shapiro and friends, contending Trump was wronged by likening him to another crook.
Lawsuit could purge 234,000 names from Wisconsin voter rolls
More than 234,000 voters in Wisconsin would be made unable to cast their ballot unless they register again before the next election under a lawsuit filed Wednesday that liberals fear could dampen turnout among Democrats in the 2020 presidential race.
re: #211 HappyWarrior
So did Republicans impeach Bill Clinton to overturn 1996?
Largely. Read “Blinded By The Right” by David Brock.
re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White
Largely. Read “Blinded By The Right” by David Brock.
That was a rhetorical question heh.
re: #215 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
Lawsuit could purge 234,000 names from Wisconsin voter rolls
i told you that story to tell you this one:
buried in the second to last paragraph:
The lawsuit was filed in Ozaukee County Circuit Court on behalf of three voters in Hubertus, Port Washington and Menomonee Falls.
re: #215 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
Lawsuit could purge 234,000 names from Wisconsin voter rolls
Well, then, Wisconsin Democrats need to set up a voter registration campaign and get funding like was done for reservations when the Supreme Court decided that they needed explicit addresses.
Dear Zod, the wingnut freakout over Chick-Fil-A’s announcement is glorious to watch. All the little snowflakes so triggered because their safe spaces are disappearing.
Every once in awhile I’ll stumble across online discussions of Vietnam and at least one tough guy will talk about how we’d have won if the military hadn’t been shackled by politicians and betrayed by hippies and the media. I have to laugh. To Ho Chi Minh and his supporters, communism was just a more honest approach to Wilson’s call for self-determination of peoples—it was always about independence from foreign control and interference first and foremost. There is no way to properly define “win” under those circumstances. It would be a forever war.
re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White
Right, but the whole point of Magic, whether of the miraculous or the legerdemain sort is that it violates the laws of physics - that dead guy can’t come back to life, or that card leap from your hand to my inside breast pocket.
Or when The Joker says, “I’m gonna make this pencil disappear.”
oh exactly
If an entity, even a God, can “break” the natural laws (physics) at will, and in fact does repeatedly, ie whenever a prayer is answered or a miracle has occurred, what law is being “violated”? God is not speeding. God is simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is.
I conclude that therefore this is not a thing. it’s a subset of “we do not know everything.”
re: #219 Belafon
Also:
But in the lawsuit, WILL contends that registering again is “no hardship” because voters can do it at the polls on election day. Voters must present a photo ID and proof of residence in order to register at the polls.
Democrats also need to spend money telling people all they have to do is show up to vote.
re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
You can see the Bible as the inspired Word of God without having to take it all literally.
Nope. Not when “inspired” is used by Evangelicals to equal “inerrant” and “infallible.” Used some other word, but not “inspired.” Just don’t.
re: #208 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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that constitution is a pesky thing.
if impeachment is overturning an election, then so is what mcconnell did to obama via merrick garland
re: #211 HappyWarrior
So did Republicans impeach Bill Clinton to overturn 1996?
of course not
he was a dem
and he lied
and something, something, blue dress
re: #222 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
oh exactly
If an entity, even a God, can “break” the natural laws (physics) at will, and in fact does repeatedly, ie whenever a prayer is answered or a miracle has occurred, what law is being “violated”? God is not speeding. God is simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is.
I conclude that therefore this is not a thing. it’s a subset of “we do not know everything.”
I, OTOH, believing in neither gods nor miracles, don’t have to explain anything, and of course my job as a Scientist has as its very core belief that we do not know everything.
re: #225 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
that constitution is a pesky thing.
if impeachment is overturning an election, then so is what mcconnell did to obama via merrick garland
This is where the Republican belief that only Republican government is legitimate comes in handy.
re: #219 Belafon
Well, then, Wisconsin Democrats need to set up a voter registration campaign and get funding like was done for reservations when the Supreme Court decided that they needed explicit addresses.
what an opportunity for an independently rich person
re: #220 Targetpractice
Dear Zod, the wingnut freakout over Chick-Fil-A’s announcement is glorious to watch. All the little snowflakes so triggered because their safe spaces are disappearing.
what will win?
mediocre chicken sandwiches or my principles?
re: #222 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
oh exactly
If an entity, even a God, can “break” the natural laws (physics) at will, and in fact does repeatedly, ie whenever a prayer is answered or a miracle has occurred, what law is being “violated”? God is not speeding. God is simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is.
I conclude that therefore this is not a thing. it’s a subset of “we do not know everything.”
Is it breaking the natural laws, or just revising them? Like playing a computer game, say the Civilization series or SimCity… you can tweak the parameters here and there to get a desired outcome. Or go a step further and rewrite the code
re: #230 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
what will win?
mediocre chicken sandwiches or my principles?
What’s absolutely hilarious is that, after years of insistence that their support for CFA had nothing to do with the anti-LGBTQ views of the charities they donated to and everything do with “religious persecution,” wingnuts are flipping the fuck out because CFA is cutting ties with those charities.
re: #224 mmmirele
Nope. Not when “inspired” is used by Evangelicals to equal “inerrant” and “infallible.” Used some other word, but not “inspired.” Just don’t.
Out of curiosity, is there a useful word for the concept that they haven’t spoiled?
People upset about #ChickFilA not donating to anti-LGBTQ organizations: pic.twitter.com/L6Z6Tb401G
— Gary Bunda (@schmickler83) November 18, 2019
re: #233 William Lewis
Out of curiosity, is there a useful word for the concept that they haven’t spoiled?
When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - nothing more nor less
re: #233 William Lewis
Out of curiosity, is there a useful word for the concept that they haven’t spoiled?
To put it another way: Why should they get to own them?
Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?
re: #231 KGxvi
Is it breaking the natural laws, or just revising them? Like playing a computer game, say the Civilization series or SimCity… you can tweak the parameters here and there to get a desired outcome. Or go a step further and rewrite the code
it’s all about perspective, while the fundamental idea still holds
if the capability to ‘rewrite code’ exists, then it exists.
whether ‘everyone’ affected by it knows or not. or can do it or not
if ‘god can make physics rules as he goes along’, then where does that power come from…
re: #232 Targetpractice
What’s absolutely hilarious is that, after years of insistence that their support for CFA had nothing to do with the anti-LGBTQ views of the charities they donated to and everything do with “religious persecution,” wingnuts are flipping the fuck out because CFA is cutting ties with those charities.
Nobody is mentioning CFA’s competitive problem with the wildly popular and recently re-introduced Popeye’s chicken sandwich, but I’d bet my eye teeth that’s in the mix.
re: #238 KGxvi
Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?
We went a couple of times many years ago when they supported fundraisers for local soccer. I wasn’t impressed at all, and I didn’t know about their politics at the time. I found the sandwich dry. The lattice fries were ok, I guess.
re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White
Nobody is mentioning CFA’s competitive problem with the wildly popular and recently re-introduced Popeye’s chicken sandwich, but I’d bet my eye teeth that’s in the mix.
I’ve had CFA. It’s mediocre at best.
The chicken sandwich war is real and CFA is in the cross hairs. 😁
re: #241 Barefoot Grin
We went a couple of times many years ago when they supported fundraisers for local soccer. I wasn’t impressed at all, and I didn’t know about their politics at the time. I found the sandwich dry. The lattice fries were ok, I guess.
Yeah, I’d pretty much agree with that. Their food’s alright in a pinch, but I wouldn’t go out of my way for it.
re: #243 Targetpractice
Yeah, I’d pretty much agree with that. Their food’s alright in a pinch, but I wouldn’t go out of my way for it.
And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.
re: #242 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I’ve had CFA. It’s mediocre at best.
The chicken sandwich war is real and CFA is in the cross hairs. 😁
Some folks I know really love CFA, and it’s not that they’re anti-LGBTQ. Maybe they just haven’t had better?
re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.
And to think, we coulda had taco trucks on every damn corner…….
re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White
I just happen to crave CFA sometimes. I also appreciate that they usually have really fast service.
re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.
Yeah, CFA is one of those “For lack of better options” chains.
re: #238 KGxvi
Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?
I like their nuggets, their wraps, and their chicken soup. If I get the sandwich, I prefer the version that comes with lettuce and tomato.
re: #238 KGxvi
Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?
Been many, many years. But, I always thought they were OK, maybe a little over priced.
I do remember that it was damn annoying that they were closed on Sundays.
re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White
Some folks I know really love CFA, and it’s not that they’re anti-LGBTQ. Maybe they just haven’t had better?
Or, more likely, to each their own. I’ll put this out: I find Greek meh at best, but I know other people absolutely love it.
re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White
Some folks I know really love CFA, and it’s not that they’re anti-LGBTQ. Maybe they just haven’t had better?
Could be.
KFC is better and pretty ubiquitous. Popeyes is better, too. We actually now have one here, but they’re not as available as KFC. Down south there may be more CFA than Popeyes but likely not as many as KFC.
Taste is personal, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
re: #248 Targetpractice
Yeah, CFA is one of those “For lack of better options” chains.
So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?
re: #239 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
it’s all about perspective, while the fundamental idea still holds
if the capability to ‘rewrite code’ exists, then it exists.
whether ‘everyone’ affected by it knows or not. or can do it or notif ‘god can make physics rules as he goes along’, then where does that power come from…
He just lathers on some Miracle Whip.
Hence the existence of evil.
This is an absolutely incredible track, and there’s a point near the end that’s mind-blowing in a music geek way. I kept listening to it because something about it just sounded strange.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
(I don’t have perfect pitch but I do have good ears.)
Eventually I turned on the electric piano just to see what was happening with the chords, and at the end of the section I mentioned, the piano was OUT OF TUNE with the track, by about a quarter tone!— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
The really amazing part is that he completely disguises this quarter tone modulation with the way he layers the voices and effects, so that you never notice it actually happening - and it would normally be VERY noticeable.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
It’s not just a theoretical experiment; the semi-modulation unmistakably gives the music a big lift at that point. Really an amazing musical feat.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 18, 2019
re: #252 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Could be.
KFC is better and pretty ubiquitous. Popeyes is better, too. We actually now have one here, but they’re not as available as KFC. Down south there may be more CFA than Popeyes but likely not as many as KFC.
Taste is personal, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
According to wikipedia, Popeyes has about 750 more locations than CFA (3100 vs 2400 or so). Both founded/based out of the south.
re: #253 KGxvi
So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?
Yeah. I do like their breakfast okay enough but McDonalds has the same fried chicken biscuit for breakfast now I believe.
re: #253 KGxvi
So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?
I would rank their chicken above McDonalds, Wendy’s, and a lot of other fast food places. What really kills their sandwiches is, by default, the bun is bland and they put a pickle on it. If you can get near one, get an eight piece nugget, not the grilled, and try it.
Really, the underlying anger towards CFA by wingnuts is the recognition that the chain is not going to win in a highly-competitive market with a “take-it-or-leave-it” attitude. It needs to expand and find more reliable markets, but that’s clashing with the reality that fighting against political barriers to such is an expensive and ultimately detrimental position. But any sort of concession to that political reality is seen as “submission” by the wingnut faithful, who think the ideal example is Hobby Lobby flipping off the Feds and spending millions fighting all the way to the SCOTUS bench.
Nearest CFA to me is in Sunnyvale, whereas there are 4 Popeyes within 5 miles of here.
And yet, I haven’t gone to either.
re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White
Nearest CFA to me is in Sunnyvale, whereas there are 4 Popeyes within 5 miles of here.
And yet, I haven’t gone to either.
Popeye’s has started offering chicken sandwiches, and it seems they are to die for.
re: #252 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Could be.
KFC is better and pretty ubiquitous. Popeyes is better, too. We actually now have one here, but they’re not as available as KFC. Down south there may be more CFA than Popeyes but likely not as many as KFC.
Taste is personal, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, I just check their locations on Google Maps, and none are in reasonable ‘fast food’ driving distance from me. There is one practically a “stones throw” from me, but, it’s in the middle of Jacksonville University’s campus. Which is a closed campus.
re: #263 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I like TB.
I like Del Taco better for drive thru Mexican. But growing up in Southern California, I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to Mexican food, even fast Mexican.
But of course, to each their own.
re: #265 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Yeah, I just check their locations on Google Maps, and none are in reasonable ‘fast food’ driving distance from me. There is one practically a “stones throw” from me, but, it’s in the middle of Jacksonville University’s campus. Which is a closed campus.
there are closed campus universities?
re: #264 Belafon
Popeye’s has started offering chicken sandwiches, and it seems they are to die for.
When we moved to our new facility two years ago, the Popeyes they were putting in down the street from out old place (like 1/2 mile) hadn’t opened yet. Where we are now is kind of a fast food desert.
re: #259 Belafon
I would rank their chicken above McDonalds, Wendy’s, and a lot of other fast food places. What really kills their sandwiches is, by default, the bun is bland and they put a pickle on it. If you can get near one, get an eight piece nugget, not the grilled, and try it.
Yeah the pickle is annoying. I wish they did the nuggets/tenders in the buffalo style like they do with the sandwich tho.
re: #248 Targetpractice
Yeah, CFA is one of those “For lack of better options” chains.
There is one CFA in town, I don’t go there very often because the drive through line usually wraps around the building at lunch and dinner time and there is a Wendy’s right next door that usually has no wait.
The sandwiches are pretty good for fast food, I like them better than pop-eyes. Not worth waiting for though.
re: #236 Belafon
To put it another way: Why should they get to own them?
More for my personal thesaurus and because I like to also not PO people like mmmirele.
re: #266 KGxvi
I like Del Taco better for drive thru Mexican. But growing up in Southern California, I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to Mexican food, even fast Mexican.
But of course, to each their own.
Del Taco has the best late night double cheeseburgers.
There’s two CFAs within driving distance from my house…but the nearest Popeyes is closer. And it’s open on Sundays.
re: #263 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I like TB.
Taco Bell is good when you’re in a rush and need some cheap food to keep you going for a few more hours.
A member of Trump’s evangelical advisory group said U.S. reversing long-held stance on West Bank settlements recognized ‘biblical prophecy’ https://t.co/HH8U0J7zLR
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) November 18, 2019
re: #257 KGxvi
According to wikipedia, Popeyes has about 750 more locations than CFA (3100 vs 2400 or so). Both founded/based out of the south.
That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.
From Business Insider:
Chick-fil-A - which became the third-largest chain in the US by sales in 2018, despite having far fewer locations than most of its rivals - has seen incredible success with its chicken sandwich …
Me when I tried the new Popeyes sandwich. pic.twitter.com/TLH9JFq98w
— cyber-bully ghost (@BourbonGhost) August 19, 2019
re: #275 The Pie Overlord!
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Fucking nut jobs using Israel to fulfill their sick fantasies.
When I moved to CA, I liked Taco Bell. Then I found a couple real taquerias, and now TB would have to be literally the only place open when I was fainting of hunger for me to go there.
BUT, I do have a story about going to one back in the 80s. They’d just released their “Steak Fajita Burrito”, and I dropped by and bought at least one. While I was eating, the guy who’d been behind me in line, and had ordered the same thing, went back to the counter and loudly protested that what he’d received looked nothing like the beautiful, professionally photographed image on the sign.
The counter guy really didn’t know what to say. Neither did the manager. I mean, what did the guy expect for $2.99 at Taco Bell?
re: #267 KGxvi
there are closed campus universities?
It’s a private college. They are a decent neighbor. Used to enjoy encountering their womens cross country team during their morning runs. I buried my cat on their property
that time jim carrey buried vanilla ice in a shallow grave pic.twitter.com/tGgcbB1kua
re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.
From Business Insider:
Chick-fil-A generates some business by scarcity: If everyone is going there it must be good.
re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.
From Business Insider:
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Hence my remark earlier about “for lack of a better option” chain. While other chains have offered chicken sandwiches, they either were more expensive or less desirable than CFA’s. But now Popeyes put their own out and it’s been such a success that most people who seem to be sticking with CFA are doing so either out of loyalty or “for lack of better options.”
re: #275 The Pie Overlord!
The theocrats are becoming more powerful.
re: #260 Targetpractice
Really, the underlying anger towards CFA by wingnuts is the recognition that the chain is not going to win in a highly-competitive market with a “take-it-or-leave-it” attitude. It needs to expand and find more reliable markets, but that’s clashing with the reality that fighting against political barriers to such is an expensive and ultimately detrimental position. But any sort of concession to that political reality is seen as “submission” by the wingnut faithful, who think the ideal example is Hobby Lobby flipping off the Feds and spending millions fighting all the way to the SCOTUS bench.
CFA opened in the UK and closed like 4 months later. They had daily anti-hate protests at their new stores.
They have a hard time in New markets when they support hate, hence what’s happening now.
I don’t know if it’ll help then, honestly. A lot of people have long memories and hating on gay kids isn’t a good look.
Our town could support a second Chick-fil-A, and the company did put in to build a drive-through only store, but the city council shot that one down.
re: #283 Colère Tueur de Lapin
The theocrats are becoming more powerful.
When Pence became VP, we knew this was a matter of time. It’s something else we’re going to have to fix.
re: #266 KGxvi
I like Del Taco better for drive thru Mexican. But growing up in Southern California, I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to Mexican food, even fast Mexican.
But of course, to each their own.
No gots that. No gots any Mexican FF other than TB.
So, I’m glad I like it.
re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.
From Business Insider:
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It’s an interesting question. Looks like CFA’s revenue in 2018 was in the $10b range. Popeyes is now owned by Burger King conglomerate whose total revenue for BK/Tim Hortons/Popeyes is about half that of CFA.
Fun Taco Bell fact: They’ve tried and failed twice to open up franchises in Mexico.
re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White
Nearest CFA to me is in Sunnyvale, whereas there are 4 Popeyes within 5 miles of here.
And yet, I haven’t gone to either.
I’m within blocks of CFA, Popeyes, KFC, Zaxby’s, Bojangles and more—never been to any of them—I don’t eat chicken.
re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.
From Business Insider:
While our Popeye’s sold out of their sandwiches pretty quickly, it took them months to get a second batch. So far, our Chick-fil-A is no easier to get into than before.
re: #269 HappyWarrior
Yeah the pickle is annoying. I wish they did the nuggets/tenders in the buffalo style like they do with the sandwich tho.
I like the pickle
We have Taco Hell and Taco John’s around here. Neither are particularly good. Fortunately, there are local small shops that are much better. Once is very good and does a mean Huevos Rancheros and the other, even though it’s a pandering Mex-American place at least does it well.
re: #289 Targetpractice
Fun Taco Bell fact: They’ve tried and failed twice to open up franchises in Mexico.
That’s not a surprise. You can get better tacos for cheaper.
re: #280 Mescalero09
LOL. It doesn’t get much better than In Living Color Jim Carrey.
re: #294 William Lewis
We have Taco Hell and Taco John’s around here. Neither are particularly good. Fortunately, there are local small shops that are much better. Once is very good and does a mean Huevos Rancheros and the other, even though it’s a pandering Mex-American place at least does it well.
We have a pupseria in town that has a great breakfast. I take my Dad there. Lovely place that is family/immigrant owned.
re: #288 KGxvi
It’s an interesting question. Looks like CFA’s revenue in 2018 was in the $10b range. Popeyes is now owned by Burger King conglomerate whose total revenue for BK/Tim Hortons/Popeyes is about half that of CFA.
BK could use a better chicken sandwich.
And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.
re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg
LOL. It doesn’t get much better than In Living Color Jim Carrey.
Fire Marshal Bill was one of the most hilarious, and creepiest characters to ever frequent TV sketch comedy
re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
BK could use a better chicken sandwich.
And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.
BK had a chicken parm sandwich I loved as a kid but I don’t know if they still make it.
re: #280 Mescalero09
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re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
BK could use a better chicken sandwich.
And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.
If I could run BK, I would make them get rid of their giant bun that tends to be dry, and go with those like Whataburger or anyone who makes burgers at home or a burger stand uses.
re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
BK could use a better chicken sandwich.
And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.
BK is our usual fallback when nobody wants to make dinner and we don’t want to spend much. Like late Sunday afternoon, when I’d just spent an hour or so cutting down fucking Privet branches and cutting them into Green Bin-sized bits, and hadn’t really had much to eat since breakfast….
re: #249 Belafon
The chicken soup is really good. I haven’t eaten there in years though. Can’t give money to people who condemn me and wish I didn’t exist. I’m funny that way.
re: #301 HappyWarrior
BK had a chicken parm sandwich I loved as a kid but I don’t know if they still make it.
I remember that. I loved it, too. I don’t know if they still have it since I don’t eat sandwiches now (unless I can remove the bun which is hard when it’s chicken parmesan). I can take the filling out of a TB taco (which I do periodically). It’s nice to have options when you’re doing super low carb.
re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White
When I moved to CA, I liked Taco Bell. Then I found a couple real taquerias, and now TB would have to be literally the only place open when I was fainting of hunger for me to go there.
BUT, I do have a story about going to one back in the 80s. They’d just released their “Steak Fajita Burrito”, and I dropped by and bought at least one. While I was eating, the guy who’d been behind me in line, and had ordered the same thing, went back to the counter and loudly protested that what he’d received looked nothing like the beautiful, professionally photographed image on the sign.
The counter guy really didn’t know what to say. Neither did the manager. I mean, what did the guy expect for $2.99 at Taco Bell?
Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.
OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::
re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
BK could use a better chicken sandwich.
And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.
I got the crispy chicken sandwich at BK once and it was like chewing on old piece of leather. I figured it was late at night I went through the drive through maybe I got one that had been sitting for a while so I gave it a second chance at lunch time when theoretically things shouldn’t be sitting around and it was the same or worse.
No more chicken at BK for me.
re: #301 HappyWarrior
BK had a chicken parm sandwich I loved as a kid but I don’t know if they still make it.
I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’
re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I remember that. I loved it, too. I don’t know if they still have it since I don’t eat sandwiches now (unless I can remove the bun which is hard when it’s chicken parmesan). I can take the filling out of a TB taco (which I do periodically). It’s nice to have options when you’re doing super low carb.
I don’t either. I don’t really eat too much fast food. As for TexMex, I like California Tortilla. Good variety of burrito and burrito bowl choices plus lots of sauces.
re: #305 plansbandc
The chicken soup is really good. I haven’t eaten there in years though. Can’t give money to people who condemn me and wish I didn’t exist. I’m funny that way.
That’s how I am with Hobby Lobby. I used to go there but haven’t set foot in one in years now.
re: #307 The Pie Overlord!
Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.
OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::
Plus the burgers have been on the grill for SECONDS, and are raw inside.
re: #307 The Pie Overlord!
Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.
OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::
And lots of stuff made out of carved and painted butter.
re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’
Taco Bell was my drunk food choice in college on campus. Off campus, it was a dive that had solid po boys and Cajun fries.
So I just realized/remembered that there’s a Popeyes just a few blocks from me: one of just four in Manhattan, according to their site. I guess I’ll have to check out the chicken sandwich so as not to get behind the discussion threads….🍗🍗🍗
And it’s right by a college, so the crowds will be a given….
re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’
The sauce saved it. Otherwise, as danarchy said above, it’s dry as dust.
re: #311 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Yep. No Hobby Lobby ever again.
re: #310 HappyWarrior
I don’t either. I don’t really eat too much fast food. As for TexMex, I like California Tortilla. Good variety of burrito and burrito bowl choices plus lots of sauces.
I love Chipotle. Hubby hates it but I think the flavor is great. There’s a Qudobo (sic) not too far away but it’s nowhere near as good as Chipotle.
re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I love Chipotle. Hubby hates it but I think the flavor is great. There’s a Qudobo (sic) not too far away but it’s nowhere near as good as Chipotle.
I did enjoy their carne asada. I got it a couple of times. I just wish their tortillas had more integrity.
re: #308 danarchy
I got the crispy chicken sandwich at BK once and it was like chewing on old piece of leather. I figured it was late at night I went through the drive through maybe I got one that had been sitting for a while so I gave it a second chance at lunch time when theoretically things shouldn’t be sitting around and it was the same or worse.
No more chicken at BK for me.
Yeah, most burger chains have (at the least) a chicken sandwich if not a fish sandwich because they don’t want to lose sales to other chains who have those items for the people in a crowd who might not want a burger today. But the flip side is they take it on sufferance, as they know they’re not going to get all that many sales for their chicken sandwiches and so the ones available tend to have been sitting in a warmer for awhile.
re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I love Chipotle. Hubby hates it but I think the flavor is great. There’s a Qudobo (sic) not too far away but it’s nowhere near as good as Chipotle.
I miss La Tapatia in downtown South City. Stuck in the back of a Mexican grocery, no tables, just a burrito/taco assembly line. Closest taqueria now is pretty generic, though their regular Carnitas tacos (the little guys with onions and cilantro) are pretty good.
re: #319 HappyWarrior
I did enjoy their carne asada. I got it a couple of times. I just wish their tortillas had more integrity.
You feel their tortillas are being disingenuous?
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re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White
You feel their tortillas are being disingenuous?
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They’re no Trump but they could be stronger.
re: #307 The Pie Overlord!
Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.
OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::
Like the Thanksgiving Turkeys that are barely cooked then painted brown, because an actual corretly roasted turkey isn’t as pretty and plump.
re: #62 lawhawk
Looks like the Russians are more than happy with Butina’s performance and are open to giving her a position from which to spread her propaganda further.
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I remember when she was all about “Gun Owner Rights.” Funny how that claptrap disappeared as well as her Russian front gun organization did once her job was done helping steer the NRA off its hinges. Now that she is safely back under Putin’s rule totally gone is any mention of Gun Rights and now we have the next useful idiots targeting to look forward to. The useful idiots used to be the NRA and fellow right wing assholes. Now it looks like a possible pivot to Bernie Bros, white nativists, and like-minded Euro assholes as the next Putin stooges.
re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Q’doba. I liked their tacos, but I believe Chipotle offers that now as well.
Is Donald Duck a duck?
I don’t know. He talks like a duck. He walks like a duck. But is he merely trying to get the other ducks to follow along behind him? I’m not in his head enough to know. https://t.co/GM6HDy3AFM— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 18, 2019
re: #327 Belafon
Q’doba. I liked their tacos, but I believe Chipotle offers that now as well.
Yeah they have tacos and corn tortillas too.
Say what you will about Oklahoma City (and I do!) it definitely has an incredible taco selection, just as good as Tucson or Santa Fe, where I’ve also lived. Taco Bueno and Taco Mayo are these local institutions/chains with badass bulk taco options, and there’s so much more I’m just finding out about.
re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White
Stoking your base makes you a racist.
re: #314 HappyWarrior
Taco Bell was my drunk food choice in college on campus. Off campus, it was a dive that had solid po boys and Cajun fries.
At Ft. Bragg the “go to’s” were Hardee’s (the location on the most direct return route was on and off the ‘off limits’ list pretty regular) Shoney’s (breakfast bar..mmmmm….) and sometimes IHOP (but that place was a pain in the ass, always crowded with slow service)
I used to like burritos more than tacos but tacos are a) more versatile and b) you get more than one taco and c) they travel better.
re: #332 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
At Ft. Bragg the “go to’s” were Hardee’s (the location on the most direct return route was on and off the ‘off limits’ list pretty regular) Shoney’s (breakfast bar..mmmmm….) and sometimes IHOP (but that place was a pain in the ass, always crowded with slow service)
Breakfast in the middle of the night is always welcome.
re: #325 Blind Frog Belly White
Like the Thanksgiving Turkeys that are barely cooked then painted brown, because an actual corretly roasted turkey isn’t as pretty and plump.
Wait what? Mine are gorgeous. What an I found wrong/right?
Edit. Frigging phone. What am I doing wrong/right?
re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White
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— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) November 18, 2019
re: #327 Belafon
Q’doba. I liked their tacos, but I believe Chipotle offers that now as well.
I think they always did. They did in Chicago, at least.
The closest Chipotle is 40 miles away. ☹️
re: #334 HappyWarrior
Breakfast in the middle of the night is always welcome.
Yeah, that was a weird part of summer weekends when I was in college - stopping on the way back from Maryland (where the drinking age was 18) at the HoJos in Gettysburg and having breakfast food at 1 or 2 AM.
I mean he says racist things, is openly supported by David Duke, singles out non whites but I’ll have to think about it like I have to think about whether or or whether not pizza is awesome.
re: #330 Ferdinand
I like Taco Bueno. We had one but it closed. I also like Taco John’s but we don’t have those either.
I ate Taco Bell quite a bit but then I got old and my stomach said no more.
That being said, we have any number of delicious options for New Mexican and Mexican food. One of our new go to places for breakfast burritos donates 15% of their profits to vets.
re: #335 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Wait what? Mine are gorgeous. What an I found wrong/right?
“You better not be eating that turkey! It’s got an hour to cook! You’ll get worms!”
re: #338 Blind Frog Belly White
Yeah, that was a weird part of summer weekends when I was in college - stopping on the way back from Maryland (where the drinking age was 18) at the HoJos in Gettysburg and having breakfast food at 1 or 2 AM.
There’s just something about pancakes or breakfast burritos when the sun is down and a few beers or hits in.
Has anyone made tuna steaks at home where they didn’t suck? What did you do? Mine always are ghastly.
re: #339 HappyWarrior
I mean he says racist things, is openly supported by David Duke, singles out non whites but I’ll have to think about it like I have to think about whether or or whether not pizza is awesome.
He’s just a non-racist, non-misogynist who - completely by chance - only calls black political opponents ‘stupid’ and who - again, completely by chance - only attacked the lone female witness at the impeachment hearings last week.
Oh yeah, before I forget. Since we’re doing ‘the fast food thread’ (lol)
Tried the Arby’s Gyro (had a coupon: 2 for $6) Went beef and turkey (wary of lamb, especially fast food lamb)
Enjoyed the flavor, but missed the feta
Also, this:https://t.co/nz0anzoCVz
— Warren Terra (@warren__terra) November 18, 2019
re: #343 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I do some kind of marinade. Last time it was lemon based and then we grilled ‘em on a charcoal grill. Delicious.
re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White
There’s a strict liability argument for racist statements, I think. Along the lines of “it doesn’t matter what your intent was, or what you ‘feel’, if the result is racist shit, that’s all that matters.” Which would be a decent way to follow “I don’t know if he’s racist…” The problem is, most of these people that want to absolve Trump just want to absolve him. Because to admit that he is racist, either intentionally or via strict liability, is to admit that a large portion of American voters knowingly and enthusiastically voted for a racist
re: #343 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Has anyone made tuna steaks at home where they didn’t suck? What did you do? Mine always are ghastly.
I think the key to tuna steaks is super hot grill, and quick searing
re: #345 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Oh yeah, before I forget. Since we’re doing ‘the fast food thread’ (lol)
Tried the Arby’s Gyro (had a coupon: 2 for $6) Went beef and turkey (wary of lamb, especially fast food lamb)
Enjoyed the flavor, but missed the feta
I got that and it was fucking Arby’s roast beef with shitty tziziki sauce on a folded flatbread. I was disappointed in a big way.
I made homemade gyros and it came out really well (thank you for the recipe!!). That’s going to be my go to from now on.
Best Taco I ever had outside Mexico was in San Antonio.
re: #342 HappyWarrior
There’s just something about pancakes or breakfast burritos when the sun is down and a few beers or hits in.
I love a good breakfast burrito. There’s a greasy spoon type place by my folks that I’ve been going to since Jr High and they’ll do any of their breakfast plates as a burrito, so my go to is a polish sausage breakfast burrito.
There’s another place in Costa Mesa that does their breakfast burritos with fried eggs (sort of over easy-ish) that is another favorite of mine.
Made homemade cubanos the other night. That was fun.
re: #330 Ferdinand
Say what you will about Oklahoma City (and I do!) it definitely has an incredible taco selection, just as good as Tucson or Santa Fe, where I’ve also lived. Taco Bueno and Taco Mayo are these local institutions/chains with badass bulk taco options, and there’s so much more I’m just finding out about.
Taco Bueno started in Abilene - one of the few good things to come out of the city, me I just chose to leave - and it’s our go to place for fast Mexican.
re: #348 KGxvi
There’s a strict liability argument for racist statements, I think. Along the lines of “it doesn’t matter what your intent was, or what you ‘feel’, if the result is racist shit, that’s all that matters.” Which would be a decent way to follow “I don’t know if he’s racist…” The problem is, most of these people that want to absolve Trump just want to absolve him. Because to admit that he is racist, either intentionally or via strict liability, is to admit that a large portion of American voters knowingly and enthusiastically voted for a racist
It’s kind of the same thing as asking whether he’s lying when he tells lies. That is, if he really believes it, even though it’s not true and he’s been told repeatedly it’s not true, if he believes it’s true, is it still lying?
I mean, honestly to me it’s worst if he’s not lying but rather telling lies that he believes are true, because what it means is that he is disconnected from reality and really only believes what he wants to believe, and/or thinks that if he believes it, it must be true, or it BECOMES true. The thing is, he’s been shielded from the consequences of believing his own bullshit for his whole life, so why WOULDN’T he think that his believing something makes it so?
re: #351 NO SMOCKING GUN!
I’m half surprised she didn’t just call them “Fake News!” and ask them to leave.
re: #353 KGxvi
I love a good breakfast burrito. There’s a greasy spoon type place by my folks that I’ve been going to since Jr High and they’ll do any of their breakfast plates as a burrito, so my go to is a polish sausage breakfast burrito.
There’s another place in Costa Mesa that does their breakfast burritos with fried eggs (sort of over easy-ish) that is another favorite of mine.
I’ve made my own. Eggs, salsa verde (my favorite!), cheese, & the secret ingredient: potatoes.
re: #315 Jay C
So I just realized/remembered that there’s a Popeyes just a few blocks from me: one of just four in Manhattan, according to their site. I guess I’ll have to check out the chicken sandwich so as not to get behind the discussion threads….🍗🍗🍗
And it’s right by a college, so the crowds will be a given….
A few weeks ago, I did a comment on Tad’s Steak House. The last one is near Times Square, closing in a few weeks. Edible steak/salad/potato for $9.19.
re: #358 HappyWarrior
I’ve made my own. Eggs, salsa verde (my favorite!), cheese, & the secret ingredient: potatoes.
I prefer hash browns, but potatoes definitely work too. There’s a super local chain in Long Beach (Hole Mole for those in the area) that will do their breakfast burritos Cali style (fries as the potato).
re: #352 Eclectic Cyborg
Best Taco I ever had outside Mexico was in San Antonio.
Some of the best Chinese food I’ve had, not acquired in Manhattan Chinatown, was from a little back street joint in Comayagua, Honduras
I’m still inclined toward the follow the money strategy. They are going nationwide, and their reputation as homophobic bigots is inhibiting expansion in blue states where all the money and people are.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) November 18, 2019
re: #359 Decatur Deb
A few weeks ago, I did a comment on Tad’s Steak House. The last one is near Times Square, closing in a few weeks. Edible steak/salad/potato for $9.19.
Vegas used to have a tradition of inexpensive steakhouses and/or buffets where you could get surf n turf for like $9.99 or some such. But those have started to go the way of the dinosaur.
re: #360 KGxvi
I prefer hash browns, but potatoes definitely work too. There’s a super local chain in Long Beach (Hole Mole for those in the area) that will do their breakfast burritos Cali style (fries as the potato).
Anita’s does here. Southwestern/Central American is my favorite breakfast.
re: #349 KGxvi
I think the key to tuna steaks is super hot grill, and quick searing
Learned on Kwajalein.
1) Know the guy who caught the tuna that afternoon.
2) Marinade in soy and lime juice 1 hour. Splash of tequila helps.
3) 1 inch thick.
4) Hot grill, 3-4 minutes.
re: #363 KGxvi
Vegas used to have a tradition of inexpensive steakhouses and/or buffets where you could get surf n turf for like $9.99 or some such. But those have started to go the way of the dinosaur.
They were probably trying to compete with the casinos, but the casinos can get away with it because they make so much money in their normal course of business. They probably take a loss on food, if I had to guess.
re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg
I just happen to crave CFA sometimes. I also appreciate that they usually have really fast service.
I tried explaining this on Facebook. Yes, I usually boycott them, but once a year, I get a craving for the chicken and pickle.
re: #366 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.
They were probably trying to compete with the casinos, but the casinos can get away with it because they make so much money in their normal course of business. They probably take a loss on food, if I had to guess.
A lot of them were in casinos, particularly the buffets. Probably lost leaders back in the day, especially with comps. But that town has changed so much in the last 30 years, it shouldn’t be a surprise. And now it’s becoming something of a food destination even off the strip.
re: #368 KGxvi
A lot of them were in casinos, particularly the buffets. Probably lost leaders back in the day, especially with comps. But that town has changed so much in the last 30 years, it shouldn’t be a surprise. And now it’s becoming something of a food destination even off the strip.
The buffets, yeah, I guess I was distinguishing from casino buffets as compared to, like, Golden Corral. I only went to Vegas once, and that was almost 20 years ago, so it’s probably changed drastically.
Jake, I think you misspelled “because of” as “despite”…
White House stands by Stephen Miller despite emails pushing white nationalist site @sarasidnerCNN reports https://t.co/SnUHF6KQD8 pic.twitter.com/zb7VCjICqX
— The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) November 18, 2019
re: #333 HappyWarrior
I used to like burritos more than tacos but tacos are a) more versatile and b) you get more than one taco and c) they travel better.
And d)if you eat one while driving, and it breaks, your lunch is over, unless you like eating off the floor.
re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White
I did Nazi that coming.
re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White
Jake, I think you misspelled “because of” as “despite”…
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Miller is going to be there until the end. I hope he doesn’t end up like Pat Buchanan and will still be prominent over 40 years after Trump leaves.
I’m not surprised.
Suit alleges damages because they claim they are being cooked on the same grill as the meat. Thus contaminating them with meat by products. Seems likely they are correct. Have to admit I had already wondered how they were keeping their vegi-burger completely meatless
Burger King is being sued by a vegan over its meatless ‘Impossible’ Whopper https://t.co/IXwQFOfHCp pic.twitter.com/TDGPDdnQnb
— Reuters (@Reuters) November 18, 2019
re: #373 HappyWarrior
Miller is going to be there until the end. I hope he doesn’t end up like Pat Buchanan and will still be prominent over 40 years after Trump leaves.
Buchanan = your crazy racist uncle.
Miller = that creepy racist in your dorm.
re: #350 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I got that and it was fucking Arby’s roast beef with shitty tziziki sauce on a folded flatbread. I was disappointed in a big way.
I made homemade gyros and it came out really well (thank you for the recipe!!). That’s going to be my go to from now on.
The lamb is fine. the Arby’s Greek Gyro (with the lamb) is so good that if Arby’s discussion comes up on social media, I’ll have somebody volunteer that the Gyro is what they routinely go for.
re: #374 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I’m not surprised.
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Fuck ‘em. What do they expect at BURGER KING?
re: #369 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.
The buffets, yeah, I guess I was distinguishing from casino buffets as compared to, like, Golden Corral. I only went to Vegas once, and that was almost 20 years ago, so it’s probably changed drastically.
Every casino back in the day would have a buffet, a diner, and a steakhouse of some sort. In the 90s it started to change, where they started bringing in outside places. Some place would have mall style food courts, others would go with a branded diner type place.
Now it kind of depends on which casino you’re at. A lot of places have celebrity chef restaurants - Gordan Ramsay has a place a Caesars and Planet Hollywood; David Chang has a place there now too but I forget where.
And it’s not like they half ass it either. The Ramsay burger place at Planet Hollywood might have one of the three or four best burgers I’ve ever ate.
re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White
Jake, I think you misspelled “because of” as “despite”…
@TheLeadCNN
White House stands by Stephen Miller despite emails pushing white nationalist site @sarasidnerCNN reports
“It’s a feature, not a bug”
re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White
Buchanan = your crazy racist uncle.
Miller = that creepy racist in your dorm.
Yeah but in 1970, Pat was the latter heh
re: #374 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I’m not surprised.
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There were some complaints as well that they weren’t using vegan buns for the impossible burgers.
I keep meaning to try a beyond or impossible burger, but I think if I did it, I’d want to cook it myself.
re: #376 steve_davis
The lamb is fine. the Arby’s Greek Gyro (with the lamb) is so good that if Arby’s discussion comes up on social media, I’ll have somebody volunteer that the Gyro is what they routinely go for.
In college, we had to walk about a mile from campus to get to the fast food restaurants (VERY few students had cars - it was actively discouraged by the administration). To us, Arby’s was like premium fast food, because they had their horseradish sauce and they weren’t McDonalds (which was the next restaurant over).
So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?
re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White
Fuck ‘em. What do they expect at BURGER KING?
Yeah, kind of like an observant Jew or Muslim going to ‘Waffle House”
re: #350 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I got that and it was fucking Arby’s roast beef with shitty tziziki sauce on a folded flatbread. I was disappointed in a big way.
I made homemade gyros and it came out really well (thank you for the recipe!!). That’s going to be my go to from now on.
Wait. Where is this recipe for home mode gyros?
re: #381 KGxvi
There were some complaints as well that they weren’t using vegan buns for the impossible burgers.
I keep meaning to try a beyond or impossible burger, but I think if I did it, I’d want to cook it myself.
I don’t think BK ever claimed the damn thing was “vegan”. Hell BK slaps mayo on Whoppers by default.
re: #378 KGxvi
And it’s not like they half ass it either. The Ramsay burger place at Planet Hollywood might have one of the three or four best burgers I’ve ever ate.
But they are probably fucking expensive, aren’t they?
I remember when I was in Vegas a lot of shit on the strip was ludicrously priced but if you went a few miles out of the way you could find casinoes with a pretty solid buffet for less than $20 / person.
re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White
So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?
In my opinion the quality of Arbys has fallen significantly in the past few years. I seldom find myself in the mood for their meat filled crap these days.
re: #383 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Yeah, kind of like an observant Jew or Muslim going to ‘Waffle House”
The saddest PA announcement I ever heard was the Tel Aviv-bound TWA cabin attendant begging the passengers:
“If you ordered the kosher, vegan, diabetic meal please press your seat light.”
re: #388 Decatur Deb
The saddest PA announcement I ever heard was the Tel Aviv-bound TWA cabin attendant begging the passengers:
“If you ordered the kosher, vegan, diabetic meal, please press your seat light.”
Somebody loaded the wrong carts
re: #376 steve_davis
The lamb is fine. the Arby’s Greek Gyro (with the lamb) is so good that if Arby’s discussion comes up on social media, I’ll have somebody volunteer that the Gyro is what they routinely go for.
I wish we had that. I’m going to try Michigan to see if they have it. What I got was gross.
re: #368 KGxvi
A lot of them were in casinos, particularly the buffets. Probably lost leaders back in the day, especially with comps. But that town has changed so much in the last 30 years, it shouldn’t be a surprise. And now it’s becoming something of a food destination even off the strip.
Funniest Las Vegas buffet scene (House of Lies—gotta love it)
I remember one time the Bellagio was running a breakfast buffet for some special event (maybe a holiday, I honestly don’t remember) and charging like $70 a head.
Should we tell them this makes it a date…lol https://t.co/IqntMVhdqk
— Stormy Daniels (@StormyDaniels) November 18, 2019
re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White
In college, we had to walk about a mile from campus to get to the fast food restaurants (VERY few students had cars - it was actively discouraged by the administration). To us, Arby’s was like premium fast food, because they had their horseradish sauce and they weren’t McDonalds (which was the next restaurant over).
So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?
When they first opened they were great. The roast beef was delicious and the potato cakes with horsey sauce were great.
Then they went to some unidentifiable meat that wasn’t good at all.
re: #386 Eclectic Cyborg
But they are probably fucking expensive, aren’t they?
I remember when I was in Vegas a lot of shit on the strip was ludicrously priced but if you went a few miles out of the way you could find casinoes with a pretty solid buffet for less than $20 / person.
They’re in the $15-20 range. Which is about right for a higher end sit down burger, I think.
re: #388 Decatur Deb
The saddest PA announcement I ever heard was the Tel Aviv-bound TWA cabin attendant begging the passengers:
“If you ordered the kosher, vegan, diabetic meal please press your seat light.”
I hope it was gluten free.
re: #395 KGxvi
They’re in the $15-20 range. Which is about right for a higher end sit down burger, I think.
Ayup.
Biggest price tag I’ve seen on a gourmet item: $250 for a whole foie gras. The reason why it stood out is because it was on a menu with a bunch of $15-$20 entrees like the aforementioned burgers. Like, okay, okay, yup, looks good… wait, WHAT the hell?!
re: #387 Eclectic Cyborg
In my opinion the quality of Arbys has fallen significantly in the past few years. I seldom find myself in the mood for their meat filled crap these days.
I had two ‘beef-n-cheddars’ a couple days ago (coupon again), first in many, many, many years. Definitely seemed like something was missing.
Also, fought off the urge for a ‘Jamocha’ shake. $3.50 for a small? Please.
re: #399 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I had two ‘beef-n-cheddars’ a couple days ago (coupon again), first in many, many, many years. Definitely seemed like something was missing.
Also, fought off the urge for a ‘Jamocha’ shake. $3.50 for a small? Please.
Five dollars for a milkshake?
Speaking of food restrictions. Living in the Southwest, I’ve had to have the talk about the difference between a tortilla and Nan…… Oh boy. Some of the responses were rather humorous. Some I just didn’t have the heart to tell.
Thoughts and prayers.
GOP operative who dated Maria Butina pleading guilty to wire fraud and money laundering: reporthttps://t.co/XyWhBmSBoj— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 18, 2019
re: #384 Weaselone
Wait. Where is this recipe for home mode gyros?
I used several actually. The spices differed. So I looked at like 10 top rated recipes, used spices from several including cumin, cardimom and loads of garlic and salt (and more actually). I spice processed the spices to a powder and address it to the meat. The key is to food process the shit out of the meat until it’s a paste, then hard pack it into a baking dish.
It was really easy and on par with what I’ve gotten in restaurants.
I saved the recipe so I don’t have the URL. But I basically blended the meat, put it in a meatloaf pan and cooked it straight away.
If you follow this recipe, triple the salt and garlic otherwise it’s not enough. And add a scant Teaspoon (no more!) of cardimom.
re: #403 Decatur Deb
In the old days they would say she “cut quite a swathe”.
“What great good fortune that this young Russian woman will stay in my home, eat my food, sleep with me if I vouch for her credentials, just write her grad school papers and introduce her to national GOP figures!”
re: #404 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Sounds like it might be very good, but you don’t get to play samurai chef with a wicked blade.
re: #406 Decatur Deb
Sounds like it might be very good, but you don’t get to play samurai chef with a wicked blade.
You can afterward. Once it’s all cooked, let it cool and wrap it in tin foil and leave it in the fridge overnight. Then samurai the slices to your hearts content. 😁 Especially if you like super thin slices.
I just sliced and served. I didn’t fry them again. It wasn’t necessary.
re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White
Fuck ‘em. What do they expect at BURGER KING?
Thanks. I was trying to find the best way to articulate that.
re: #152 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
by then it’s likely too late for him
if the senate trial is going against him, everyone’s testified, or admitted, or somethingwild ass pardoning is a hell of an admission
and if he pardons everyone involved in this conspiracy we’re back to “can a president pardon himself and/or other people involved in a (criminal) conspiracy with him”
and further, if more info comes out re Russian and 2016 and any trump involvement - ie mueller et al, then the question becomes ‘can a president use the pardon power to pardon himself for crimes committed to gain the office and the pardon power”
my head hurts just thinking about it
The constitution explicitly says that the President has no power to grant pardons in cases of impeachment. So at least if he is impeached, he cannot use pardon power to escape removal from office.
Of course, Goebbels will stand by Hitler to the very end of the Downfall.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) November 19, 2019
re: #408 Belafon
Thanks. I was trying to find the best way to articulate that.
LGF’s Poet Laureate will never leave you speechless.
re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White
In college, we had to walk about a mile from campus to get to the fast food restaurants (VERY few students had cars - it was actively discouraged by the administration). To us, Arby’s was like premium fast food, because they had their horseradish sauce and they weren’t McDonalds (which was the next restaurant over).
So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?
I hear people disparage Arby’s, but it doesn’t sound any different than the others. I like their roast beef, the cheese, their sauce. But it’s like people here talking about other restaurants.
This is going to inspire a movie director.
— aagcobb (@aagcobb1) November 19, 2019
re: #402 Dread Pirate
“Beautiful Russian women seek friendship, marriage”
Senior Trump admin official Mina Chang resigned from her job at the State Department two and a half hours after NBC News went to her spokesperson to ask about newly discovered false claims she had made about her charity work.https://t.co/AH5zW6OLSb
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 18, 2019
Amanda Kondrat’yev was sentenced to 15 days in jail and a $500 fine for throwing a slushie at Matt Gaetz on June 1.
Her attorney had a few things to say about Rep. Gaetz:
“For him to talk about a violent crime, it’s not as violent as a potential DUI is to drivers on the road,” Stevenson said, referring to Gaetz’s 2008 arrest in Okaloosa County on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol (charges were later dropped). “It’s not as much of a threat to our national security as storming a security hearing with a cellphone in a room that doesn’t allow cellphones. It doesn’t jeopardize our rule of law as much as intimidating witnesses, and it’s not as severe as threatening to unleash violent supporters if you don’t get what you want.
“I wish that he could have shown (Kondrat’yev) some Christian justice or mercy,” Stevenson added.
Amanda has two special-needs children and is separated from her husband right now. I’m not sure who will be caring for the kids while she’s in jail. This is so stupid.
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“The free market is only free when it caters to ME” https://t.co/jqFvDvM2nV
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 19, 2019
re: #417 goddamnedfrank
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Chick-Fil-A survived because Popeyes ran out of chicken sandwiches. They’ve stocked up again.
re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White
“Beautiful Russian women seek friendship, marriage”
“Let’s get to know each other. Tell me about your first pet, your favorite movie, your mother’s maiden name.”
set in 232. CIT said 232 “cabins the President’s power … procedurally by setting the time in which to act.” Ct noted Congress wanted President to do all he thought necessary as soon as possible. Ct said “the procedural safeguards in 232 do not merely road map action; they
— Jennifer Hillman (@J_A_Hillman) November 18, 2019
fits within statutory requirement to do all President can “immediately.” CIT (3 judge panel) made it clear that allowing President to act outside 232 time limits is not permissible. https://t.co/76C6On3K06
— Jennifer Hillman (@J_A_Hillman) November 18, 2019
re: #419 Decatur Deb
“Let’s get to know each other. Tell me about your first pet, your favorite movie, your mother’s maiden name.”
Like my joke about all the Facebook clickbaity ‘quizzes’ - “What your Social Security number says about YOU!!!”
This logo is prime for a discharge printed t-shirt https://t.co/gDUFmQhv62
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 19, 2019
re: #422 GlutenFreeJesus
So the spider invented the hydraulic ram?
When Pelosi said Trump would eventually “self-impeach,” I didn’t realize how prescient and literal her words were. 🙄 https://t.co/rjQi2wphqF
— Sanho Tree (@SanhoTree) November 18, 2019
re: #419 Decatur Deb
“Let’s get to know each other. Tell me about your first pet, your favorite movie, your mother’s maiden name.”
“If you were to make a password out of your social security number, what would it be?”
re: #385 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I don’t think BK ever claimed the damn thing was “vegan”. Hell BK slaps mayo on Whoppers by default.
All they claimed was that the meat was made from plants. They never called the burger a vegetarian burger.
re: #429 Belafon
All they claimed was that the meat was made from plants. They never called the burger a vegetarian burger.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure the Legal Department would have told them in no uncertain terms why they should NOT call it “vegetarian”.
re: #402 Dread Pirate
Remember when Republicans were blacklisting people for possibly thinking in the Communist direction? Now they’re all sad their girlfriend got sent home.
— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) November 19, 2019
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re: #424 goddamnedfrank
I can just see the Creative team at Sterling Cooper coming up with that and pitching it to Don, only to get the “Are you kidding me?” look….
re: #435 goddamnedfrank
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Kushner green lit Khashoggi arrest, Saudi’s killed Khashoggi, Kushner & Trump tried to help cover it up to protect the arms & nuclear weapons sales to Saudi’s, Erdogan knew entire story & blackmailed Trump into leaving Syria, now massacring Kurds and will soon free ISIS fighters
— Nick Borg (@NickBorg63) November 19, 2019
re: #437 BigPapa
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re: #417 goddamnedfrank
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Glad Ben is showing why he’s a rational adult and totally not like the alt right shitheads he denies he’s a fellow traveler with.
re: #439 goddamnedfrank
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re: #436 Blind Frog Belly White
I can just see the Creative team at Sterling Cooper coming up with that and pitching it to Don, only to get the “Are you kidding me?” look….
Having worked for a spell in an ad agency creative department I can totally see the meeting that produced this. Non-profits will greenlight some really crazy shit when an agency does the job pro-bono.
BREAKING: The two correctional officers responsible for guarding Jeffrey Epstein the night before his death are expected to face criminal charges this week for falsifying prison records - AP
— LIVE Breaking News (@NewsBreaking) November 19, 2019
WTAF?!? https://t.co/DcLs1k0PHy
— Harry Turtledove (@HNTurtledove) November 19, 2019
Story:
Traffic nightmare: Bizarre fire, crash close I-5 lanes near Lakewood for nearly 13 hours
re: #438 gocart mozart
Spectator… not confirmed. But holy shit. All the signs are there.
It’s always fun to review the classics in the meantime. pic.twitter.com/iKaxGWFsuK
— David Neiwert (@DavidNeiwert) November 19, 2019
re: #444 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
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On the way down here I saw a dumpster delivery truck just fully engulfed in flame on the 405 by the Getty. Seems like some kind of omen.
re: #442 goddamnedfrank
Having worked for a spell in an ad agency creative department I can totally see the meeting that produced this. Non-profits will greenlight some really crazy shit when an agency does the job pro-bono.
Pro bono doesn’t explain it—$450k for this shit.
South Dakota taxpayers paid $450k for a new anti-meth PSA campaign. And here’s what the state came up with https://t.co/1MATJPBULv pic.twitter.com/bsZKkXCPNL
— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) November 18, 2019
Wow, Obama’s former doctor is telling @ErinBurnett that Trump is having major neurological problems, especially with “word-finding,” and suggests he could be having small strokes.
— Joan Walsh (@joanwalsh) November 19, 2019
re: #448 BeachDem
Pro bono doesn’t explain it—$450k for this shit.
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re: #449 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
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He won’t let himself to be 25thed and neither will his base.
re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.
Wendy’s chicken sandwich is much better than CFA. Never had a Popeye’s chicken sandwich so I can’t compare there, but I love Popeye’s red beans and rice.
These people. They’re not right in the head.
BREAKING:
DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz will testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on December 11th
Christmas may come 2 weeks early when:
Comey
McCabe
Ohr
Strzok & Page
Clinton
Obama
ALL face justice for their illegal spying on Donald Trump
Huge.
RT!— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) November 18, 2019
re: #453 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
These people. They’re not right in the head.
Who the fuck is paying Charlie’s bills? It must be nice to be this ignorant and get the funds he does to spread bullshit propaganda.
re: #452 Eventual Carrion
Wendy’s chicken sandwich is much better than CFA. Never had a Popeye’s chicken sandwich so I can’t compare there, but I love Popeye’s red beans and rice.
Before Five Guys made Cajun fries famous, Popeyes did it first. And yeah the red beans and rice are great.
re: #448 BeachDem
Pro bono doesn’t explain it—$450k for this shit.
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Can’t remember the name of the annual advertising “oscar” but, to get qualified in the TV category, your ad must show at least once. Sometime in the 70s, Melvin van Peebles got a station to run his ad at some god-awful hour:
“Use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye.”
re: #455 HappyWarrior
Who the fuck is paying Charlie’s bills? It must be nice to be this ignorant and get the funds he does to spread bullshit propaganda.
Fresh out of high school Charlie wrote a Breitbart column/oped. Don’t know how he got in must be family. In a short period of time he talked Foster Friess into giving him $5m to start Talking Point USA to make conservatism hip.
He’s never had a real job. But the most damaging info on him:
re: #456 HappyWarrior
Before Five Guys made Cajun fries famous, Popeyes did it first. And yeah the red beans and rice are great.
This is a great recipe for red beans and rice
re: #458 BigPapa
Fresh out of high school Charlie wrote a Breitbart column/oped. Don’t know how he got in must be family. In a short period of time he talked Foster Friess into giving him $5m to start Talking Point USA to make conservatism hip.
He’s never had a real job. But the most damaging info on him:
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Like so many right wing social influencers like him, I’m amused by people like him who mock working people’s work ethic when these guys are propagandists. If Charlie ever actually had to work a honest day, he’d go crazy since he doesn’t know the meaning of honest work.
I mean for all the talk about left wing brainwashing. I give you Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens, and hte countless other right wingers who are nothing but shills who know nothing about anything except lame right wing talking points.
re: #453 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
These people. They’re not right in the head.
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Exactly what my brother keeps on saying!! So a new definite date that the Democrats are going down!! And as accurate as the last one!! (about 6 weeks after the date my brother originally claimed).
re: #458 BigPapa
Fresh out of high school Charlie wrote a Breitbart column/oped. Don’t know how he got in must be family. In a short period of time he talked Foster Friess into giving him $5m to start Talking Point USA to make conservatism hip.
He’s never had a real job. But the most damaging info on him:
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Slugs of that sort (Ragefurby, Daladein, O’Keefe, Shapiro) give value for monies expended. Look into the Leadership Institute to see some of the pathways.
re: #450 Blind Frog Belly White
Sometimes, nobody can see what the problem is, till someone does, then nobody can unsee it.
And they went out of state to find an agency that sells itself with corny shit like
“the status of your business should never be quo”
and introduces their portfolio with “work that works”
(I have spent 40+ years in advertising creative and that crap would get you laughed out of most pitches)
re: #457 Decatur Deb
Can’t remember the name of the annual advertising “oscar” but, to get qualified in the TV category, your ad must show at least once. Sometime in the 70s, Melvin van Peebles got a station to run his ad at some god-awful hour:
“Use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye.”
re: #460 HappyWarrior
Like so many right wing social influencers like him, I’m amused by people like him who mock working people’s work ethic when these guys are propagandists. If Charlie ever actually had to work a honest day, he’d go crazy since he doesn’t know the meaning of honest work.
I HATE HATE HATE that word Influencers. Abs the concept, too.
re: #466 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I HATE HATE HATE that word Influencers. Abs the concept, too.
I hate it too. After reading about the alt-right, I need a bath. Surprisingly TP-USA didn’t make it into the book.
Holmes overheard a July 26 call between Trump and Sondland, in which Trump asked if Zelensky committed to ‘do the investigation.’
Sondland then told Holmes Trump didn’t care about Ukraine, only his personal interests.
Read his and David Hale’s testimony:https://t.co/kIN698MiFC— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) November 19, 2019
re: #457 Decatur Deb
Can’t remember the name of the annual advertising “oscar” but, to get qualified in the TV category, your ad must show at least once. Sometime in the 70s, Melvin van Peebles got a station to run his ad at some god-awful hour:
“Use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye.”
National are the Clios (local are usually Addys). Love that story! (Reminds me of the ad campaign on Kimmie Schmidt—You go girl! for bladder control)
re: #469 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
It’s completely in line with how Trump has acted throughout.
wtf? pic.twitter.com/hhiHuzg9vd
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 19, 2019
— 🐾Karmastrophic🐾 (@Karmastrophic_) November 19, 2019
re: #446 gocart mozart
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Malkin is going the Tia Tequila route. Just waiting for the Nazi salute next!
Despite all the hubbub, Biden’s Marijuana policy is very, very good. https://t.co/F1BqsWoU3a
— Nunca Trump (@NeverTrumpTexan) November 19, 2019
re: #477 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Then that’s what Biden should have said. It seems like Biden’s policy is independent of Biden himself.
re: #457 Decatur Deb
Make that Putney Swope, not Melvin van Peebles, doing the Prep H ad.
re: #477 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
As I suspected, the more juicy bit got the news. I support federal legalization but that’s not going to happen just like that and I would hope that Congress could pass that and perhaps that would make Joe reconsider. I didn’t like that he said Gateway drug though.
re: #480 Decatur Deb
Make that Putney Swope, not Melvin van Peebles, doing the Prep H ad.
Robert Downey, Sr. My Dad’s quoted Putney Swope with me before. Still need to see it.
How does @michellemalkin get a conservative platform? She is a dummy—just look at her past.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 25, 2012
re: #480 Decatur Deb
Make that Putney Swope, not Melvin van Peebles, doing the Prep H ad.
Putney Swope—one of my favorite movies of all time!
re: #482 HappyWarrior
re: #484 BeachDem
The Prep H ad was real—part of Downey Sr’s experience.
Downey drew on his own personal experiences as a disgruntled ad executive when making Putney Swope; Downey made a Preparation H commercial where a Chinese woman says, “No matter what your ethnic affliction, use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye!” As Koresky points out, that commercial was rejected in real life — but it is featured in No More Excuses.
Don’t kid yourselves, folks. Hannity will no doubt use the Lewandowski defense of “I have no obligation to tell the truth to the press.” https://t.co/JFlup0uNvY
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) November 19, 2019
re: #485 Decatur Deb
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The Prep H ad was real—part of Downey Sr’s experience.
Been awhile since I’ve seen the movie—it was just so bold and stark! Had friends who named their dog Putney, but only a few of us got the connection.
I think spending most of my adult life in advertising, and my father having been in promotion and PR, I couldn’t get the appeal of Mad Men. Watched the first few episodes, then felt like “been there; done that; got the tee-shirt.”
re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’
Jack-in-the-Box super taco was my drunk food. Hot sauce on that greasy sucker was great at 2:30 am.
re: #489 Eventual Carrion
Jack-in-the-Box super taco was my drunk food. Hot sauce on that greasy sucker was great at 2:30 am.
BK’s current offering of $1 Tacos are the illegitimate siblings of the Jack-in-the-Box tacos. They even retain the greased soaked through shells that somehow manage to maintain a level of rigidity
re: #343 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Has anyone made tuna steaks at home where they didn’t suck? What did you do? Mine always are ghastly.
I’ve never cooked a tuna steak, but I ate some great ones.
My friend mixed up the marinade the night before, took a thermos-ful out on the boat with him, cleaned and boned the tuna within minutes of catching it, put slabs into a Tupperware with the marinade… and called me from the dock to fire up the grill.
Those tuna steaks were EXCELLENT. They key is that they were less than 5 hours from swimming. Taste and texture were both superior to anything I’ve gotten at a restaurant. (the marinade was a mix of that dipping sauce Thai restaurants use for spring rolls, Mexican molé sauce, and fresh-squeezed orange juice).
re: #381 KGxvi
There were some complaints as well that they weren’t using vegan buns for the impossible burgers.
I keep meaning to try a beyond or impossible burger, but I think if I did it, I’d want to cook it myself.
My youngest tried one. He didn’t think it was good at all. But he is not a vegan or vegetarian, so that could cloud things in his perception of the taste.
re: #393 gocart mozart
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Donnie Two Scoops claimed it was the “biggest crowed ever!”. And everyone cried.
re: #402 Dread Pirate
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But we let the foreign operative go after a slap on the hand.
re: #429 Belafon
All they claimed was that the meat was made from plants. They never called the burger a vegetarian burger.
On a cow the meat is made with plants too.
re: #478 Weaselone
It seems like Biden’s policy is independent of Biden himself.
Whether or not I completely agree with it, that’s damn funny.
re: #483 gocart mozart
OOOOHHHH SHIT! THINGS JUST GOT REAL!
— Uriel (@sickendun2death) November 19, 2019
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