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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:13:06am

Watched this earlier, and it’s really good reminder that our nation’s democracy and representative government is under assault from Trumpworld and the GOP in the most basic way - thwarting an accurate count means shifting balance of power for a decade or more (since last census helped cement power for the GOP, further undercounts can keep the GOP in power in places where they have no business being in power based on the actual demographics).

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:18:16am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:19:04am

From downstairs:

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am afraid that Trump is going to prevail on this because SCOTUS knows that releasing his returns would be political poison for the whole GOP.

According to this, it’s purely an administrative stay, so lawyers on both sides can file their respective paperwork.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:25:55am
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:25:58am
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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:28:13am

The Court stayed the ruling pending filings by both sides.

I’m not surprised by this move, but it gives the Court the opportunity to issue a ruling. Had they declined to pick up the case, it would have required Mazars to hand over the tax records and financial papers.

The Roberts bench might still let Trump prevail on some bulkshit legal theory, but they’re at least going through the motions of giving both sides time to submit papers.

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Chrysicat  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:28:29am

Can I just say, “Fuck Alan Moore, and I don’t mean in the way that Ghastly drew 17 years ago”?

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:28:39am

Nikki Haley is a degenerate liar who has sold out to Trumpworld:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:28:46am

re: #5 jaunte

But John Roberts said SCOTUS isn’t political. Does this mean he’s a dirty fucking liar?

He knows what will happen when we finally learn where DT’s money comes from.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:32:02am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:33:33am

re: #6 lawhawk

The Court stayed the ruling pending filings by both sides.

I’m not surprised by this move, but it gives the Court the opportunity to issue a ruling. Had they declined to pick up the case, it would have required Mazars to hand over the tax records and financial papers.

The Roberts bench might still let Trump prevail on some bulkshit legal theory, but they’re at least going through the motions of giving both sides time to submit papers.

I can see Roberts using this as a chance to argue through the lack of merits with his conservative colleagues, to try and get them to see that taking up the case for real can only damage their reputations in the long run.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:33:45am

It’s another week in the barrel for Donnie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:36:23am

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

I can see Roberts using this as a chance to argue through the lack of merits with his conservative colleagues, to try and get them to see that taking up the case for real can only damage their reputations in the long run.

The returns will come out. I am almost expecting a Karl Rove-inspired tactics of “leaking” fake documents that will cause a big stir and then can be dismissed as forgeries, like they did with the documents proving that GW Bush ducked his Air National Guard service.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:36:28am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Sounds like it’s gonna be one hell of an Infrastructure Week again.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:38:56am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It’s another week in the barrel for Donnie.

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This tweet…

21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings

Damn. Where they gonna be after this week?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:39:20am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The returns will come out. I am almost expecting a Karl Rove-inspired tactics of “leaking” fake documents that will cause a big stir and then can be dismissed as forgeries, like they did with the documents proving that GW Bush ducked his Air National Guard service.

Hmm, leaking faked tax returns to the House of Representatives? Or you mean faked ones into the public media so that when the real ones go to the house they will already be treated as poisoned/sham?

Sounds like a risky tactic either way.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:39:30am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:41:14am

re: #17 jaunte

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Shadow corporations and hiding debt/assets all the way down. Also a good way to hide where the money (if any) is actually coming from.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:41:21am

re: #15 makeitstop

This tweet…

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21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings

Damn. Where they gonna be after this week?

Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be some powerful shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:41:24am

re: #16 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Hmm, leaking faked tax returns to the House of Representatives? Or you mean faked ones into the public media so that when the real ones go to the house they will already be treated as poisoned/sham?

Sounds like a risky tactic either way.

leaked to the press, then after the initial flurry dies down, a site like this one will start “revealing” discrepancies.

That will allow the GOP and Fox to really ride in hard with counter-charges.

A tempting proposition for the Machiavellian bastards with limited remaining options little left to lose.

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Chrysicat  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:41:26am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The returns will come out. I am almost expecting a Karl Rove-inspired tactics of “leaking” fake documents that will cause a big stir and then can be dismissed as forgeries, like they did with the documents proving that GW Bush ducked his Air National Guard service.

I updinged you, and then immediately wondered if that was a really bad thing to do on the very website that proved they were forgeries. To this day, I’m not convinced there was ever a legitimate version of that document. Though I will admit, it’s probably more likely that the Rs were intentionally releasing the fake after the rumours started (or had even chummed the water with those rumours themselves) rather than the Dems creating it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:42:49am

re: #21 Chrysicat

I updinged you, and then immediately wondered if that was a really bad thing to do on the very website that proved they were forgeries. To this day, I’m not convinced there was ever a legitimate version of that document. Though I will admit, it’s probably more likely that the Rs were intentionally releasing the fake after the rumours started (or had even chummed the water with those rumours themselves) rather than the Dems creating it.

This is the New Media Reality.

We cannot compare the situation today to 2004…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:43:04am

re: #21 Chrysicat

I updinged you, and then immediately wondered if that was a really bad thing to do on the very website that proved they were forgeries. To this day, I’m not convinced there was ever a legitimate version of that document. Though I will admit, it’s probably more likely that the Rs were intentionally releasing the fake after the rumours started (or had even chummed the water with those rumours themselves) rather than the Dems creating it.

Boiled down to Rather and others getting heavily suckered because they wanted so badly to find something and then were not willing to properly vet it before running with the story with the fake as the basis for it.

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Ferdinand  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:43:20am

Thank you Charles for posting Oliver’s segment on the 2020 Census. I worked full time as an enumerator during my last two months in Washington this fall. The piece really nails the struggle, and I’ve been that census lady who got harassed by the libertarian.
I’m not sure if I’m going to work for the Bureau again here in Oklahoma, where my wife is now teaching middle school English. I’ll have to decide in the next couple of weeks. On the one hand, working for Trump and Ross in Oklahoma. On the other hand, as Oliver notes, no better FU to Trump than making sure the count is done as thoroughly as possible while modeling ethical governance.
We shall see.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:44:51am

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be some powerful shit.

I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.

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Ferdinand  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:45:48am

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.

I’m assuming Vindman will appear in uniform.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:47:45am

re: #26 Ferdinand

I’m assuming Vindman will appear in uniform.

and will be criticized for it

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Citizen K  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:48:10am

re: #7 Chrysicat

Can I just say, “Fuck Alan Moore, and I don’t mean in the way that Ghastly drew 17 years ago”?

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I honestly feel like he’s giving the entire genre a bum rap, which is somewhat ironic considering how seminal his contributions to it were.

The genre has issues, but both superheroes and the kind of mythology fueling “Birth of a Nation” is less about the latter inspiring the former and about both having a common inspiration in things like Greek and Roman myth, and ancient epics, where the idea of superhuman figures and demi-deities were rife. I mean, that opens up a whole different kettle of fish considering what was considered ‘heroic’ in those myths, but still.

And he seems to discount the idea of the genre ever transcending its roots, whatever you consider those roots to be. Again, an irony considering what he’s done for superheroes and comics in general. Just the idea of treating it as a static and forever stagnant thing seems to dismiss the possibilities of doing something more with superheoes as a framing device. If that were true, we might never have gotten the kinds of messages from X-Men as a civil rights allegory because comics would never have transcended the hardboiled Dick Tracy serials or flights of fancy that the golden age of comics provided.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:55:25am

re: #15 makeitstop

This tweet…

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21% made that decision this after last weeks hearings

Damn. Where they gonna be after this week?

Wait till all the lying to Congress is exposed

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:57:03am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and will be criticized for it

By people who never served but who like to wrap themselves in the mythology of the soldier.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:58:32am

re: #28 Citizen K

Well, the comics side of it still has a lot of room to work with in terms of reinventing itself or getting out of some of the particular swamps it has mired itself in. That’s why things like “The Hawkeye Initiative” are out there to point out some things that need to be worked on.

I never got into comics myself. Seemed to skip through it right into reading science fiction in my early teens. By the time I was interacting with people who were comic fans and collectors in college there was a massive back catalog to consider, the sheer illogical parts of it, the constant reboots, etc. I did appreciate given a copy of “Watchmen” to read since it did a pretty thorough deconstruction of the genre and I at least understood most of the tropes it was working through. And by that time I generally appreciated anime more as providing more complex stories, “villain” motivations, and sheer ingenuity at times.

* - Personal anecdote time. Friend of mine who has/was a long-time comic collector in part gave up on collecting a few years back. Partly due to not having time to read them (raising children and job). Partly due to the fact that the newer series were still essentially treating female characters as sex objects in terms of costuming, which he remarked on in a blog post. And partly due to preferring to older comic series (like Kirby stuff) that he could now get electronically and read at his leisure without having to worry about storage.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2019 • 10:58:58am

The number one hashtag on Twitter right now is oktrumper. Heh.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:00:51am
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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:01:36am

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.

Gonna be even harder to thread that needle than trying to trash a woman without looking like you’re trying to trash a woman.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:02:09am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

leaked to the press, then after the initial flurry dies down, a site like this one will start “revealing” discrepancies.

That will allow the GOP and Fox to really ride in hard with counter-charges.

A tempting proposition for the Machiavellian bastards with limited remaining options little left to lose.

Independently verifiable via the irs and state
An accounting firms reputation..will never let a doctored one with their name on it go unanswered
Plus if someone tries to pass a fake one in public you can then ask trump hisnlawyers or the house is it accurate
Never happen

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:02:28am

re: #33 lawhawk

“I’m going to get Trump out of impeachment if I have to start a Middle East war to do it.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:03:37am

re: #36 Belafon

“I’m going to get Trump out of impeachment if I have to start a Middle East war to do it.”

we need to recall that Trump still has a lot of Executive aces up his voluminous sleeves

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:07:12am

re: #29 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Wait till all the lying to Congress is exposed

and lying by certain members of Congress

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:08:59am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:10:06am

This is very bad.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:10:44am

That’s a very very expensive distraction from Trump’s crimes.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:10:51am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we need to recall that Trump still has a lot of Executive aces up his voluminous sleeves

Trump is definitely going to shoot for wag the kennel, but all we need to do is ask him if he’s such a great president, then why was Clinton able to deal with impeachment and issues in te Middle East.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:14:32am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:14:43am

For the record, I’ve never believed the “Rathergate” documents were deliberately planted. That doesn’t make sense to me at all. In order for this to work, the “planter” would have had to know that nobody in the CBS editorial chain would notice that the documents were fake — and these fakes were laughably obvious. It still amazes me nobody caught them before they appeared on air. This is not how you plant something that you intend to use for political gain.

Occam’s Razor works here. The most likely explanation is that CBS got suckered by a not very good forger. No need for conspiracies.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:15:56am

And to this day, Dan Rather still refuses to accept the docs were fakes, which is just sad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:16:23am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Occam’s Razor works here. The most likely explanation is that CBS got suckered by a not very good forger. No need for conspiracies.

regardless, it totally defused and derailed the discussion of GW Bush ducking his Air National Guard service, which was in itself just ducking Vietnam.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:16:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:17:23am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

And to this day, Dan Rather still refuses to accept the docs were fakes, which is just sad.

While other Journalists have caught out peddling even greater fakes and are still active in business…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:17:33am

Re: downstairs conversation about virgin births

Reminder: This is a simple procedure using contemporary medical technology. I have no doubt there are women who have taken advantage of this process to have a child. No miracle is required.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:17:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:18:24am

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

Re: downstairs conversation about virgin births

Reminder: This is a simple procedure using contemporary medical technology. I have no doubt there are women who have taken advantage of this process to have a child. No miracle is required.

true. but that technology was probably not known in the 1st century BC…

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:18:53am

re: #3 Dr Lizardo

Here’s the actual order. Stay requested by the House Oversight Committee.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:18:56am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Like how all those years ago, Stern magazine got suckered by the Hitler Diaries…..a laughably clumsy forgery that they fell for hook, line and sinker to the tune of $3.7 million.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:19:12am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

regardless, it totally defused and derailed the discussion of GW Bush ducking his Air National Guard service, which was in itself just ducking Vietnam.

Dan Rather could have shut the whole thing down by immediately retracting the story and admitting publicly that he made a mistake, but his ego wouldn’t let him do that. It still won’t let him do that.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:21:05am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is very bad.

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Obviously part of the Spawn-of-Trump Middle East Peace Plan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:22:13am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Like how all those years ago, Stern magazine got suckered by the Hitler Diaries…..a laughably clumsy forgery that they fell for hook, line and sinker to the tune of $3.7 million.

At least one of the great German film comedies, Schtonk! came out of it…

Youtube Video

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:23:16am

re: #50 gocart mozart

Imagine Barron becoming his generation’s Ron Reagan, Jr. and speaking out loudly against Trumpism.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:23:56am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Like how all those years ago, Stern magazine got suckered by the Hitler Diaries…..a laughably clumsy forgery that they fell for hook, line and sinker to the tune of $3.7 million.

Sometimes, when you want something to be true, it becomes very easy to ignore the evidence against you

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:24:23am

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:24:58am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:25:46am

re: #57 i(m)p(each)sos

Imagine Barron becoming his generation’s Ron Reagan, Jr. and speaking out loudly against Trumpism.

I got coffee for him once
That was enough for me

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:26:29am

Looks like the Russians are more than happy with Butina’s performance and are open to giving her a position from which to spread her propaganda further.

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Citizen K  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:27:23am

re: #31 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well, the comics side of it still has a lot of room to work with in terms of reinventing itself or getting out of some of the particular swamps it has mired itself in. That’s why things like “The Hawkeye Initiative” are out there to point out some things that need to be worked on.

I never got into comics myself. Seemed to skip through it right into reading science fiction in my early teens. By the time I was interacting with people who were comic fans and collectors in college there was a massive back catalog to consider, the sheer illogical parts of it, the constant reboots, etc. I did appreciate given a copy of “Watchmen” to read since it did a pretty thorough deconstruction of the genre and I at least understood most of the tropes it was working through. And by that time I generally appreciated anime more as providing more complex stories, “villain” motivations, and sheer ingenuity at times.

* - Personal anecdote time. Friend of mine who has/was a long-time comic collector in part gave up on collecting a few years back. Partly due to not having time to read them (raising children and job). Partly due to the fact that the newer series were still essentially treating female characters as sex objects in terms of costuming, which he remarked on in a blog post. And partly due to preferring to older comic series (like Kirby stuff) that he could now get electronically and read at his leisure without having to worry about storage.

Anime has its own issues, and keep in mind that Japan, as insular a nation as it can be, definitely took plenty of western influences to heart. Reminder that Anime codified much of its signature looks initially thanks to early legends like Osamu Tezuka taking inspiration from Disney shorts and features. And considering how many anime pastiches of comic icons such as Batman and Superman there have been, not to mention a tokusatsu adaptation of Spider-man that’s been popular in its own right, there’s been plenty of cross-pollination there to chew on.

As far as comics evolving or devolving far as things like portrayal of women, lets not forget how patriarchal a lot of early female comic portrayals were to begin with. And the 80s and 90s reflected quite a bit far as the edginess and love of anti-heroes that American media all over was embracing, with gratuitous cheesecake and beefcake included. Again, this is why I always recognize quite a lot of irony in what Moore says considering his contributions there, for good and for ill. And there’s definitely been steps to disavow that kind of edginess-for-edginess’s-sake school that defined a good bit of 80s/90s comic trends in the past decade or so. But as you and others have said, still a lot to be done. But I’d argue that a lot of that is just as reflected in other western media as it is in comics, all things considered.

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:27:38am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is very bad.

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No shit? I mean, not meaning to go full religious nutbar here, but guess what’s under the pin?

Iframe

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Chrysicat  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:28:19am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is very bad.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:28:25am

re: #60 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Everything from Crooked and Lying Hillary to Lying Ted and Shifty Schiff and Sleepin’ Joe.

Trump has a nickname for seemingly everyone who questions Trump’s competency and judgment. Haley seems to have no problem ignoring all that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:28:41am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is very bad.

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Wonder how MBS will react to this? Oh wait — he won’t care. None of the Arab nations are truly concerned about the well-being of the Palestinians. Was this being done to help Bibi or has Trump totally abandoned him as a loser?

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:32:16am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

There are three choices for Israel/Palestine:

1. the two state solution
2. a single apartheid state where Israel exists as a Jewish state by denying rights to non-Jews
3. a single democratic pluralistic state that is neither Jewish nor Islamic (this would include some sort of confederated state)

Right now it looks like Option 2 is becoming the policy of the Trump Administration and has been the policy of Netanyahu’s various governments over the years.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:33:23am

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

It makes no sense, since Bibi’s not in a position to form a new govt. Ganz has his chance to form a govt without Bibi, which opens the door to Bibi’s indictment (along with his wife, who is already under indictment). This means the Palestinians have nothing to lose by stepping up fighting, and Israel no longer has the US around to be a neutral arbiter (or a “neutral” arbiter). It just means more chaos and a lack of understanding of the issues.

More conflict wont lead to a peaceful resolution here. It just means that the extremist factions in Israel will point to any hostility by Hamas or other terror groups as reason to build still more settlements, making a peace deal ultimately impossible.

Of course, there’s a religious component here too - Israel is a lynchpin in Evangelical End Times apocalyptic visions. More conflict would be to their favor/benefit - even if they’ll learn the hard way there’s no Rapture and they’re not going to heaven for fomenting violence and chaos via Trump.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:33:57am

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

Wonder how MBS will react to this? Oh wait — he won’t care. None of the Arab nations are truly concerned about the well-being of the Palestinians. Was this being done to help Bibi or has Trump totally abandoned him as a loser?

MBS will be able to use it as a rallying cry/grievance if/when he’s ready to betray the US. Our friends the Saudis have been using it for decades to complain about us anyway, so won’t change much on that front.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:34:06am

Contractor accused of trafficking unauthorized workers faces trial

Case of Ricardo Batres marks the first time Hennepin County has charged someone with labor trafficking.

Labor-trafficking cases are rarely prosecuted in Minnesota, in part because they are difficult to prove. But Hennepin County prosecutors say they worked with Latino community leaders to help gather evidence.

The statute also took effect in 2005. According to the Minnesota Court Administrator’s Office, state prosecutors filed nine labor-trafficking charges over the past decade, including the charges against Batres. His case marks the first time Hennepin County has ever prosecuted someone under the statute.

The story notes the conditions and hardships that the workers had to endure. This Bartes guy is an asshole and I hope he’s found guilty and is sentenced meaningfully. I wish more employees were charged for this.

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Chrysicat  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:34:40am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If I thought for a second this was about anything other than his being placed “back” on the Peacock Throne after a unilateral American invasion takes down the regime that denied its people Net access, I’d be a whole lot more inclined to view that tweet favourably.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:35:10am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

For the record, I’ve never believed the “Rathergate” documents were deliberately planted. That doesn’t make sense to me at all. In order for this to work, the “planter” would have had to know that nobody in the CBS editorial chain would notice that the documents were fake — and these fakes were laughably obvious. It still amazes me nobody caught them before they appeared on air. This is not how you plant something that you intend to use for political gain.

Occam’s Razor works here. The most likely explanation is that CBS got suckered by a not very good forger. No need for conspiracies.

“This is not how you plant something that you intend to use for political gain” cuts both ways. If you’re looking to take down Bush, you wouldn’t do it that clumsily, unless you’re an idiot - which may well be the case!

If you’re looking to discredit people trying to take down Bush, throwing these out there and seeing how far Confirmation Bias will take them is a cheap and easy way to at least drop chaff.

Till someone owns up to doing it, we’ll never know for sure. Personally, I find it easier to believe that someone put this out as a defense for Bush (because they could always anonymously debunk it, if nobody caught it) more believable than that it was intended to take Bush down.

I mean, how hard is it to buy and old typewriter? I got one for $25 at a garage sale, in excellent condition.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:36:13am

re: #64 Teukka

No shit? I mean, not meaning to go full religious nutbar here, but guess what’s under the pin?

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Didn’t even need to zoom in….just from the location alone, I knew it was Megido.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:38:06am

re: #69 lawhawk

It makes no sense, since Bibi’s not in a position to form a new govt. Ganz has his chance to form a govt without Bibi, which opens the door to Bibi’s indictment (along with his wife, who is already under indictment). This means the Palestinians have nothing to lose by stepping up fighting, and Israel no longer has the US around to be a neutral arbiter (or a “neutral” arbiter). It just means more chaos and a lack of understanding of the issues.

More conflict wont lead to a peaceful resolution here. It just means that the extremist factions in Israel will point to any hostility by Hamas or other terror groups as reason to build still more settlements, making a peace deal ultimately impossible.

Of course, there’s a religious component here too - Israel is a lynchpin in Evangelical End Times apocalyptic visions. More conflict would be to their favor/benefit - even if they’ll learn the hard way there’s no Rapture and they’re not going to heaven for fomenting violence and chaos via Trump.

Won’t this interfere even further with the Ganz efforts which were probably doomed to failure anyway? Instead there will be new elections which may restore Netanyahu to power.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:40:42am

re: #64 Teukka

Armageddon It (Meggido redux)?

Def Leppard - Armageddon It (Long Version)

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:42:59am

re: #76 lawhawk

Armageddon It (Meggido redux)?

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Speaking of which - did you hear that Motley Crue has torn up their ‘no more touring’ decree, and is doing a stadium tour with Leppard and Poison next Summer?

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Alephnaught  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:47:43am

Brexit Party candidate in Scotland:

He’s since already been thrown under the bus by the party.

One of the comments on the story linked above was quite amusing.

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! As an advocate and beneficiary of ‘sodomite rights’ and one of Scotland’s finest stately homos, I find this more hilarious than offensive. Real Westboro Baptist Church stuff.

I’m guessing Victor Robert Farrell isn’t much fun at a crystal meth orgy, but then again, who knows? Its often those who protest most vociferously who’re the real sling slvts.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:47:49am

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

Won’t this interfere even further with the Ganz efforts which were probably doomed to failure anyway? Instead there will be new elections which may restore Netanyahu to power.

That was my conclusion, that this is an effort to put yet another thumb on the scale by A) undermining Ganz’s efforts and B) helping Bibi in the event of another election by driving up support for a “strong” gov’t centered around him.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:47:51am

re: #77 makeitstop

Yup. Saw that.

They’ll keep performing since that’s how they can maintain their lifestyles - touring revenues can rake in more than royalties.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:50:33am

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know how the GOP plans to deal with him, but they absolutely have to and it’s going to be ugly af.

Will they really lean into the treason argument?

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:54:29am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

Didn’t even need to zoom in….just from the location alone, I knew it was Megido.

Figured some would. More and more points towards the prevailing powers in the Republican Party are intentionally trying to “force God’s hand”, i.e. cause Armageddon in Har Megido. This has NOPE written all over it.

re: #76 lawhawk

Armageddon It (Meggido redux)?

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My fave Armageddon Related piece (this is a medley of the OST):

Armageddon Suite - Trevor Rabin

Theme isolated, piano:

Armageddon Piano

And I need time to come up with a curse if something happens which would need this scoring (it will be expletive-laden):

Terminator The end of the world

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:56:56am
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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:57:51am

re: #77 makeitstop

Speaking of which - did you hear that Motley Crue has torn up their ‘no more touring’ decree, and is doing a stadium tour with Leppard and Poison next Summer?

My favorite reversal on the no more tours thing was Ozzy Osbourne back in the late 90s or early aughts who retired and a year late was like “fuck that shit” and launched his Retirement Sucks tour.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:58:01am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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IMHO, leaning on the “we can’t just leave this to the election” bit is the best strategy right now. Spelling out not only that Trump was attempting to corrupt those elections, but that just dropping impeachment in favor of “leaving it to the voters” would be a blow to Congressional oversight it may never overcome. A position that Trump did something that was not only wrong but criminal, but it’s not Congress’ job to hold him responsible would leave him open to royally fuck the country over such that he could just choose to ignore an electoral loss and remain in office.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:59:20am

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be some powerful shit.

Especially after Gym Jordan and his thugs sling the 💩

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:59:44am

The immediate reality is that Pompeo, likely under Donny’s orders, just wiped his ass with Jared’s “peace plan.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:00:31pm

Does fucking the Palenstinians help Putin in any way or is this just a consolation prize for Trump?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:01:07pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:01:55pm
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sagehen  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:02:54pm

re: #28 Citizen K

I honestly feel like he’s giving the entire genre a bum rap, which is somewhat ironic considering how seminal his contributions to it were.

Sturgeon’s Law

“How can you work in that genre? 90% of it is crap.”
“90% of everything is crap.”

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:03:07pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

The immediate reality is that Pompeo, likely under Donny’s orders, just wiped his ass with Jared’s “peace plan.”

Peace plan? Fucker’s gonna set the damn world ablaze…

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:03:29pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Does fucking the Palenstinians help Putin in any way or is this just a consolation prize for Trump?

Further weakens US standing in the region and around the world as a potential arbitrator. Potentially fucks with various US alliances in the region (while MBS probably doesn’t actually care about Palestine, other Arab leaders in the region probably do). Undermines US leadership on things like human rights and its leadership position in the Post War/Post Cold War world order.

So, yeah, in broad terms, it helps Putin.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:05:06pm

Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be powerful, but I’m looking forward most to Sondland on Wednesday. There’s really no way he avoids jail and avoids throwing Trump under the bus. Even pleading the fifth is unlikely to stop a perjury charge in light of recent revelations. And that leaves the Repubs in an absolutely horrid position, because the more they attack him, the more likely it is that he decides he’s better off just coming clean in the hopes of leniency.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:07:00pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate

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It’s all coming together.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:07:37pm
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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:09:19pm

re: #96 lawhawk

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Could this be a pretext for bailing from NATO?

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Teukka  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:10:44pm

re: #97 makeitstop

Could this be a pretext for bailing from NATO?

Or the other way around, European Nations nixing NATO.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:11:07pm

re: #33 lawhawk

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Evangelicals will love this. Reform and conservative Jews WILL NOT. Our denominations are strongly in favor of a 2-state solution, and this fucks that up big time.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:11:35pm

re: #97 makeitstop

Beats me. Trump’s setting all of our alliances and partnerships aflame, and the only ones consistently benefiting from this chaos is Russia. China is a runnerup, as is North Korea.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:13:40pm

re: #57 i(m)p(each)sos

Imagine Barron becoming his generation’s Ron Reagan, Jr. and speaking out loudly against Trumpism.

Don’t count on it. His mother is a vile human being as well as his father. They’re both complete assholes.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:15:00pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate

Perhaps now is a good time to remember that Trump mentioned Wikileaks more than 140 times in the final month of the 2016 campaign.

“Complete coincidence nothing to see here moveon and did you know that America has meddled in Elections around the world so were just as bad.”

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carey94tt  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:22:04pm

Feature request:

It would be nice if I could login without loosing my place in the thread.

Perhaps the location could be remembered and scrolled to?

Every time I’m logged out I have to go back and scroll.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:24:50pm

re: #82 Teukka

The ending sequence of T3 saved the film. Brilliantly done.

At the opposite end of that, the opening sequence of Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is absolutely astonishing, genuinely moving and beautiful. Sadly, the rest of the film is mediocre at best.

VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS Opening Sequence

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:26:24pm

re: #81 Mike Lamb

Will they really lean into the treason argument?

Hard to predict, really. On the one hand left to their own counsel that’s almost certainly what the combative members like Jordan would be prone to attempt, on the other hand the optics and blowback would be terrible. The fact that we haven’t seen any of the dirt Trump promised about Vindman come out tells me that they couldn’t come up with anything. My tentative guess is that they’ll try to focus on the reliability of his recollection, especially in regards to hearing the word Burisma, because Vindman and Williams undermining the validity of the “transcript” upends Trump’s last vestige of a defense.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:28:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:29:10pm

re: #104 Dr Lizardo

I always prefer a strong ending saving a softer opening than the other way around. I swear a lot of time the filmmakers just get tired toward the end and are all like: “Okay, what’s the quickest fucking way we can wrap this up and get out of here?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:29:43pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I’m having flashbacks to Jim Hofts “Orbital fracture” image.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:29:45pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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These cultists.

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Citizen K  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:30:59pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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They so desperately want to turn him into some kind of hypermasculine Conan-esque figure of conquest, like Big Brother, Superman, and Hercules all at once.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:31:10pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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They edited the Kryptonite bone spurs out!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:32:37pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

I always prefer a strong ending saving a softer opening than the other way around. I swear a lot of time the filmmakers just get tired toward the end and are all like: “Okay, what’s the quickest fucking way we can wrap this up and get out of here?”

Definitely.

Personally, when it comes to the opening of Valerian….yeah, I want to see that movie.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:34:15pm

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:34:57pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

Hard to predict, really. On the one hand left to their own counsel that’s almost certainly what the combative members like Jordan would be prone to attempt, on the other hand the optics and blowback would be terrible. The fact that we haven’t seen any of the dirt Trump promised about Vindman come out tells me that they couldn’t come up with anything. My tentative guess is that they’ll try to focus on the reliability of his recollection, especially in regards to hearing the word Burisma, because Vindman and Williams undermining the validity of the “transcript” upends Trump’s last vestige of a defense.

Their biggest landmine in dealing with Vindman is he is the very thing they spent all last week insisting was the gold standard for testimony: He’s a first-hand witness to the call. So the best they can possibly hope to do is try to undermine his credibility, something that requires subtlety and preparation. But they’ve failed to show they’re capable of either of those things, so instead we’ll get the sledgehammer blows that will only further the reality that they’re scared of what he has to say.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:36:59pm

This shit just put me off my lunch.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:38:51pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:39:01pm

Sloppy Tex-Mex.
Dig in

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:41:19pm
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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:41:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:42:50pm

re: #119 jaunte

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We’re number 1./:

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:43:06pm

In the next two days, you’ve got the GOP’s two worst nightmares: A first-hand witness who will say that the call was not “perfect” and the transcript full of holes, and somebody who was in almost constant contact with Trump throughout the events in question. The Repubs can only attack the former at their own peril, while going after the latter with hammer and tongs will only drive him into the arms of federal investigators to avoid ending up in a cell next to Stone at Club Fed.

The “BSAB” crowd have their work cut out for them this week.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:43:29pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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I’m going to guess they were all wealthy, privileged kids.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:43:45pm

re: #100 lawhawk

Beats me. Trump’s setting all of our alliances and partnerships aflame, and the only ones consistently benefiting from this chaos is Russia. China is a runnerup, as is North Korea MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN AND SHOWING THE WORLD WHO’S BOSS!!!.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:44:54pm

re: #119 jaunte

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Making America Great…by making the Third Reich look like pikers.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:45:24pm

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hail Hydra

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:46:28pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I’m sorry. I know big guys. Thump is built like my ex (except John was taller by about 3”). Trump is pushing - if not over - 300 lbs.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:48:12pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:48:37pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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“All major theme parks have delays. When they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!”

“Yeah, but, John, if The Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don’t eat the tourists.”

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:50:16pm

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

Re: downstairs conversation about virgin births

Reminder: This is a simple procedure using contemporary medical technology. I have no doubt there are women who have taken advantage of this process to have a child. No miracle is required.

The first artificial insemination took place in the late 1700s. I don’t have any details, but I suspect it was a version of the turkey baster method.

I remember how people thought Louise Brown (born 1978) was going to be some sort of freak or the antichrist because she was conceived via IVF. Obviously neither of those things happened, she’s just a 41 YO British woman who is more a curiosity than anything else.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:50:31pm

Possibly not safe for work because of language, but this clip from Rick and Morty last week kinda hits home:

Rick and morty s4 e1 (God damn it when did this shit become the default

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:50:40pm

re: #117 Dave In Austin

Looks a whole lot like my lunch.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:52:01pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:52:07pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be powerful, but I’m looking forward most to Sondland on Wednesday. There’s really no way he avoids jail and avoids throwing Trump under the bus. Even pleading the fifth is unlikely to stop a perjury charge in light of recent revelations. And that leaves the Repubs in an absolutely horrid position, because the more they attack him, the more likely it is that he decides he’s better off just coming clean in the hopes of leniency.

i donated paid a million dollars for an ambassadorship and all i got was this lousy indictment

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ericblair  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:52:45pm

re: #98 Teukka

Or the other way around, European Nations nixing NATO.

Pretty doubtful. Israel/Palestine is not on NATO’s radar.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:53:32pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Vindman’s testimony tomorrow is going to be powerful, but I’m looking forward most to Sondland on Wednesday. There’s really no way he avoids jail and avoids throwing Trump under the bus. Even pleading the fifth is unlikely to stop a perjury charge in light of recent revelations. And that leaves the Repubs in an absolutely horrid position, because the more they attack him, the more likely it is that he decides he’s better off just coming clean in the hopes of leniency.

He could lie and hope Trump pardons him (I don’t think Trump will because he is loyal only to himself). But that just turns into another article of impeachment.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:54:13pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

And IIRC, JFK inherited it from Eisenhower. France’s defeat at Dien Bien Phu happened on Ike’s watch

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:55:36pm

re: #131 plansbandc

It WAS mine. A treat on the way home from the Doc.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:57:29pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

My uncle was there (MAAG Vietnam) under Eisenhower thanks to the Dulles brothers. Truman sent its predecessor, MAAG Indochina.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:58:12pm

re: #135 KGxvi

He could lie and hope Trump pardons him (I don’t think Trump will because he is loyal only to himself). But that just turns into another article of impeachment.

Too much of a gamble at this point. Stone might get away with it as Trump could do it on the way out the door. But assuming Sondland lied/plead the fifth on Wednesday, the prosecution could just slow walk things in such a way that he’d be before a jury too late to hope for such a pardon. Given the seriousness of events, prosecutors probably won’t even bother offering a plea deal, given the track record of those who’ve lied to Congress.

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:59:10pm

re: #137 Dave In Austin

Same basic setup, but flautas instead of enchiladas.

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stpaulbear  Nov 18, 2019 • 12:59:25pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

Nixon had some MAJOR fuck ups.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:00:26pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Too much of a gamble at this point. Stone might get away with it as Trump could do it on the way out the door. But assuming Sondland lied/plead the fifth on Wednesday, the prosecution could just slow walk things in such a way that he’d be before a jury too late to hope for such a pardon. Given the seriousness of events, prosecutors probably won’t even bother offering a plea deal, given the track record of those who’ve lied to Congress.

Like I said, I think Trump will leave anyone who doesn’t have his last name out to dry (even Jared). But it is entirely possible that if it looks like the Senate trial is going to go against him, he just holes up and starts signing pardons until the verdict is rendered and Pence is sworn in. And those pardons could be done irrespective of whether a conviction has happened or not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:01:44pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

One of the worst things about Vietnam is that it all seemed to make perfect sense as we were getting into it, given the generally accepted view of the political world at the time. The future of the whole world was going to be determined by the conflict between Communism and Freedom, and the Godless Communists would stop at nothing to win, so we couldn’t let them gain any more ground.

Plus Johnson was lied to by the Pentagon about how well we were doing, and whether we were on the verge of victory.

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Mescalero09  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:01:48pm

Mr. OT here.
Just driving by. Reminds me of Leonard.
Rain from the sky wetting you eyes
Ain’t nobody on the other side.

chris mcdermott

chris mcdermott “even the devil gets right someday”

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:02:05pm

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

true. but that technology was probably not known in the 1st century BC…

The grim reality of being a woman in pretty much any time, including today, is that Jesus could have been the product of a sexual assault. Which is my second thought as to what I think actually happened, after the most obvious, which is that Mary and Joseph got a jump start on the wedding night.

The thing we have to keep in mind is that Galatians, an authentic letter of Paul’s, has nothing to say about a virgin birth. In fact, Gal 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman, born under the law.” Which excludes a lot of fancy thinking, in my mind, that Mary was a virgin, or that Mary herself was immaculately conceived. In fact, Paul didn’t *care* about Jesus’ birth. Neither did the writer of the Gospel of Mark, who just launches into John the Baptist and skips the whole infancy and childhood narratives.

I’m gonna be blunt and say that I believe the virgin birth idea is one of the worst things to come out of Christianity. It does nothing good for women at all. That’s because no other woman could be a virgin mother and give birth (at least before the late 1700s) without sex. It made sex dirty when it was wedded to original sin (no thanks to Augustine). The virgin birth is unhelpful as hell.

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Citizen K  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:02:12pm

I have only so many fucking tables to flip.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:02:39pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

Nixon can take credit for expanding it into Cambodia

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:03:54pm

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Laos. And screwing a nascent deal ahead of the 1968 election.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:07:02pm

in case nobody posted this

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:08:16pm

re: #145 mmmirele

I always think of this scene from Snatch when it comes to the story of the virgin birth:

Snatch — Opening scene: Jews in Antwerp

I suspect that most of the stories developed after the life of Jesus, and they pretty obviously borrowed from other ancient stories of gods and demigods. I’m generally of the opinion that he is either a completely mythological character, or an amalgamation of multiple preachers from the era.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:09:23pm

Vietnam is one of those horrors of US foreign policy that only looks worse the further back you go.

Nixon made a total hash of things, but he was only working off the escalation that had started LBJ.

LBJ escalated the war largely because it was one of the few pieces of JFK’s foreign policy legacy that wasn’t totally blighted (at the time) by the shitshow that CIA “estimates.”

JFK went big on Vietnam because of said “estimates” leaving him cleaning up Eisenhower’s messes.

And Eisenhower got involved in Vietnam because the Soviets capitalized on the promises made by Truman and FDR to Uncle Ho to support Vietnamese independence in exchange for their help ejecting Japanese troops from Indochina during WWII.

And note that you could stretch things even further back to the smoking remains of WWI and the peace negotiations that took place among them, when Uncle Ho tried (and failed) to convince the Wilson administration to support Vietnamese independence.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:12:33pm

re: #142 KGxvi

Like I said, I think Trump will leave anyone who doesn’t have his last name out to dry (even Jared). But it is entirely possible that if it looks like the Senate trial is going to go against him, he just holes up and starts signing pardons until the verdict is rendered and Pence is sworn in. And those pardons could be done irrespective of whether a conviction has happened or not.

by then it’s likely too late for him
if the senate trial is going against him, everyone’s testified, or admitted, or something

wild ass pardoning is a hell of an admission

and if he pardons everyone involved in this conspiracy we’re back to “can a president pardon himself and/or other people involved in a (criminal) conspiracy with him”

and further, if more info comes out re Russian and 2016 and any trump involvement - ie mueller et al, then the question becomes ‘can a president use the pardon power to pardon himself for crimes committed to gain the office and the pardon power”

my head hurts just thinking about it

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:12:35pm

re: #145 mmmirele

Agreed about the virgin birth thing.

In my personal belief, I find the idea that Mary was a 13 year old girl raped by a Roman soldier to be the most likely as it fits the greatest number of the other wize contradictory stories together.

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Chrysicat  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:13:59pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:15:10pm

re: #142 KGxvi

Like I said, I think Trump will leave anyone who doesn’t have his last name out to dry (even Jared). But it is entirely possible that if it looks like the Senate trial is going to go against him, he just holes up and starts signing pardons until the verdict is rendered and Pence is sworn in. And those pardons could be done irrespective of whether a conviction has happened or not.

The only thing that might keep Sondland from rolling on Wednesday would be an explicit promise of a pardon. But given that this is the gang that couldn’t corrupt straight, it’s almost inevitable that such an promise would be made public. And that would pretty much be the nail in the coffin, not only of Donny’s presidency, but any hope the GOP have of avoiding a total bloodbath next November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:16:08pm

re: #145 mmmirele

I’m gonna be blunt and say that I believe the virgin birth idea is one of the worst things to come out of Christianity. It does nothing good for women at all. That’s because no other woman could be a virgin mother and give birth (at least before the late 1700s) without sex. It made sex dirty when it was wedded to original sin (no thanks to Augustine). The virgin birth is unhelpful as hell.

This whole obsession with virginal purity was just about protecting property rights (virgins are worth more on the marketplace) and inheritance (a virgin bride means that at least the first-born will definitely belong to the husband).

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:16:42pm

re: #145 mmmirele

The grim reality of being a woman in pretty much any time, including today, is that Jesus could have been the product of a sexual assault. Which is my second thought as to what I think actually happened, after the most obvious, which is that Mary and Joseph got a jump start on the wedding night.

The thing we have to keep in mind is that Galatians, an authentic letter of Paul’s, has nothing to say about a virgin birth. In fact, Gal 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman, born under the law.” Which excludes a lot of fancy thinking, in my mind, that Mary was a virgin, or that Mary herself was immaculately conceived. In fact, Paul didn’t *care* about Jesus’ birth. Neither did the writer of the Gospel of Mark, who just launches into John the Baptist and skips the whole infancy and childhood narratives.

I’m gonna be blunt and say that I believe the virgin birth idea is one of the worst things to come out of Christianity. It does nothing good for women at all. That’s because no other woman could be a virgin mother and give birth (at least before the late 1700s) without sex. It made sex dirty when it was wedded to original sin (no thanks to Augustine). The virgin birth is unhelpful as hell.

i have no (ahem) dog in this fight so to be a wet blanket, this whole discussion is an explanation of the birth of a child.
it assumes these were in reality, fact and truth, actual specific individual people at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:18:19pm

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This whole obsession with virginal purity was just about protecting property rights (virgins are worth more on the marketplace) and inheritance (a virgin bride means that at least the first-born will definitely belong to the husband).

Sure, that’s the big part of it. But don’t leave out the importance of yet another opportunity to deprive women of agency in their own sexuality.

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:18:42pm

The new season of The Crown is excellent. I highly recommend the show.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:18:51pm

re: #157 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i have no (ahem) dog in this fight so to be a wet blanket, this whole discussion is an explanation of the birth of a child.
it assumes these were in reality, fact and truth, actual specific individual people at all.

(I like to say, “I don’t have a god in this fight.”)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:19:05pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Sure, that’s the big part of it. But don’t leave out the importance of yet another opportunity to deprive women of agency in their own sexuality.

Which again, was about protecting property rights and ensuring that it was inherited by your own spawn and not another’s…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:19:46pm

re: #146 Citizen K

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I have only so many fucking tables to flip.

right and he’s not smart enough to have the corrupt intent to create this conspiracy with ukraine

dean, you do know that trump is a racist. you’re just afraid to say so because you dont know how it would play out financially.

excuses. evasion and excuses. trump is exactly what he says and does. no less and certainly no more.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:21:10pm

And for those taking notes at home, Donny has already been caught offering to pardon Cohen for lying to Congress. So even if he wasn’t caught red-handed doing the same again, it would be almost impossible for Sondland to either lie or plead the fifth on Wednesday and not immediately lead to investigations into whether a pardon had been offered.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:23:32pm

re: #157 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i have no (ahem) dog in this fight so to be a wet blanket, this whole discussion is an explanation of the birth of a child.
it assumes these were in reality, fact and truth, actual specific individual people at all.

Also, this is what I was getting at on the last thread, when I talked about some believers trying to ‘explain’ miracles in non-miraculous ways. It strikes me as silly, because what’s the point of arguing for a non-miraculous explanation? An easier non-miraculous explanation is somebody made it up, as you suggest.

You can believe in the divinity of Jesus without having to buy into the miracles. You can buy into the philosophy of making Earth like the Kingdom of Heaven without believing in the divinity of Jesus.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:23:41pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

The only thing that might keep Sondland from rolling on Wednesday would be an explicit promise of a pardon. But given that this is the gang that couldn’t corrupt straight, it’s almost inevitable that such an promise would be made public. And that would pretty much be the nail in the coffin, not only of Donny’s presidency, but any hope the GOP have of avoiding a total bloodbath next November.

i dont think sondland’s that good of an actor/diplomat. he doesnt have the skills.
sometime during his stonewalling testimony someone up there will figure it out and pose the question directly, prefacing it with all the dire consequences that might or might not befall the ‘ambassador’

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:24:43pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Nixon inherited Vietnam (not that he didn’t have his own fuck ups in that war). It was JFK and LBJ that led us into that disaster.

Right, but Nixon and Henry Kissinger extended the war for political gain, by sabotaging the 1968 peace negotiations during his presidential campaign, even as he publicly said he was against the war. It’s as much Nixon’s folly as anyone else’s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:25:09pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, this is what I was getting at on the last thread, when I talked about some believers trying to ‘explain’ miracles in non-miraculous ways. It strikes me as silly, because what’s the point of arguing for a non-miraculous explanation? An easier non-miraculous explanation is somebody made it up, as you suggest.

You can believe in the divinity of Jesus without having to buy into the miracles. You can buy into the philosophy of making Earth like the Kingdom of Heaven without believing in the divinity of Jesus.

You can see the Bible as the inspired Word of God without having to take it all literally.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:25:19pm

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which again, was about protecting property rights and ensuring that it was inherited by your own spawn and not another’s…

No, I’m talking about degrading and disempowering women being the icing on that cake.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:26:11pm

re: #165 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i dont think sondland’s that good of an actor/diplomat. he doesnt have the skills.
sometime during his stonewalling testimony someone up there will figure it out and pose the question directly, prefacing it with all the dire consequences that might or might not befall the ‘ambassador’

Oh, I’m sure Mr. Goldman has some variation of “Have you been offered a pardon or a promise of leniency by anyone in this administration in exchange for your refusal to testify?” at the ready. There would be no way to answer that without incriminating himself and the WH.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:26:35pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Right, but Nixon and Henry Kissinger extended the war for political gain, by sabotaging the 1968 peace negotiations during his presidential campaign, even as he publicly said he was against the war. It’s as much Nixon’s folly as anyone else’s.

Yep Nixon didn’t start the war but he did hurt the peace process.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:26:38pm

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You can see the Bible as the inspired Word of God without having to take it all literally.

In fact, it works better that way, but it makes people uncomfortable with uncertainty squirm.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:27:20pm

What Nixon did was truly despicable - he needed more Americans to die so he could win the election running on an anti-war platform.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:27:23pm

re: #159 plansbandc

The new season of The Crown is excellent. I highly recommend the show.

the scene with the postage stamps was a great way to transition Claire Foy to Olivia Colman

and Tobias Menzies is like everywhere. im still not over hating him from outlander ;-)

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:27:26pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:28:05pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

No, I’m talking about degrading and disempowering women being the icing on that cake.

Okay, but I think that this whole issue only arose when we started owning property, first livestock, and then real estate. When all you own is what you carry, the matter of paternity is not as important.

But of course, those bearded old goatherders probably really enjoyed treating their women like chattel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:28:13pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

What Nixon did was truly despicable - he needed more Americans to die so he could win the election running on an anti-war platform.

But he had a secret plan to end the war!
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:28:16pm

re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White

(I like to say, “I don’t have a god in this fight.”)

well of course
someone around here uses ‘dog’ so i was riffing on that

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:28:19pm

re: #174 lawhawk

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#ETTD

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:28:22pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:29:58pm

re: #179 jaunte

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That’s a wise bit of timing, as it keeps Sondland from listening to Holmes’ testimony and figuring out what his lies are going to be.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:30:18pm

re: #179 jaunte

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Anyone want to be that Trump had a panic attack on Saturday and insisted on being taken to Walter Reed because he didn’t trust the WH Medical Unit?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:30:50pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

That’s a wise bit of timing, as it keeps Sondland from listening to Holmes’ testimony and figuring out what his lies are going to be.

Telling the truth is so much easier.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:31:17pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

Or he was literally shitting bricks… Bender style.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:32:02pm

re: #183 lawhawk

Or he was literally shitting bricks… Bender style.

Maybe all those difficult early-morning shitting sessions blew out his O-ring.

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:32:17pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

Anyone want to be that Trump had a panic attack on Saturday and insisted on being taken to Walter Reed because he didn’t trust the WH Medical Unit?

I can see him actually believing the thing Reagan jokes about after being shot. The books about these times in the years to come are going to be something.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:32:50pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, this is what I was getting at on the last thread, when I talked about some believers trying to ‘explain’ miracles in non-miraculous ways. It strikes me as silly, because what’s the point of arguing for a non-miraculous explanation? An easier non-miraculous explanation is somebody made it up, as you suggest.

You can believe in the divinity of Jesus without having to buy into the miracles. You can buy into the philosophy of making Earth like the Kingdom of Heaven without believing in the divinity of Jesus.

dont get me started on miracles. because either
- God can break natural laws as we understand them, and only god can
or
- God is working within the framework of natural law at a level we have yet to discover but could one day harness.

either way a miracle is not what it is commonly construed to be

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:34:53pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

Oh, I’m sure Mr. Goldman has some variation of “Have you been offered a pardon or a promise of leniency by anyone in this administration in exchange for your refusal to testify?” at the ready. There would be no way to answer that without incriminating himself and the WH.

precisely and ezzacto

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:35:12pm

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Okay, but I think that this whole issue only arose when we started owning property, first livestock, and then real estate. When all you own is what you carry, the matter of paternity is not as important.

But of course, those bearded old goatherders probably really enjoyed treating their women like chattel.

62 years of observation, plus some study of history, has left me with a pretty jaundiced view of my own gender. A lot of us are real creeps.

(as an aside, Mrs. FBW and I have been bingewatching “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend”, and the 4 female ‘buddies’ did a song, “Let’s Generalize About Men!”, which was pretty funny)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:36:31pm

re: #186 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

dont get me started on miracles. because either
- God can break natural laws as we understand them, and only god can
or
- God is working within the framework of natural law at a level we have yet to discover but could one day harness.

either way a miracle is not what it is commonly construed to be

Creationists get mad when I use the term “Magic”, but it’s really what we’re talking about.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:37:37pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I can see him actually believing the thing Reagan jokes about after being shot. The books about these times in the years to come are going to be something.

Assuming we’re still reading. If not, the picture books will be something…..

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:39:17pm

The next three days are gonna absolutely suck for Repubs.

Tuesday they’ve got Vindman to pretty much put a stake into the heart of the “perfect” transcript.

Wednesday is Sondland either giving up the whole game or engaging in self-immolation to protect Dear Leader.

And Thursday caps it with Holmes ending the whole “He was concerned about corruption!” BS while either capping Sondland’s admissions or dousing him with more kerosene to keep the flames going.

Faux is gonna be spinning faster than a jet turbine.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:40:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:40:49pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

The next three days are gonna absolutely suck for Repubs.

Tuesday they’ve got Vindman to pretty much put a stake into the heart of the “perfect” transcript.

Wednesday is Sondland either giving up the whole game or engaging in self-immolation to protect Dear Leader.

And Thursday caps it with Holmes ending the whole “He was concerned about corruption!” BS while either capping Sondland’s admissions or dousing him with more kerosene to keep the flames going.

Faux is gonna be spinning faster than a jet turbine.

Time to replay the 2016 favorites so their base is angry at President Hilary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:42:17pm

re: #192 lawhawk

Fiduciary responsibility and all that.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:44:30pm

re: #192 lawhawk

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“THESE BOYCOTTS ARE WRONG! THIS IS RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! MORE CHICKEN SANDWICHES FOR THE FAITHFUL!”

“Yeah, we’re cutting ties with all these anti-LGBTQ charities…”

“HOW DARE YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON GOD! BOYCOTT!!!!”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:46:00pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

Creationists get mad when I use the term “Magic”, but it’s really what we’re talking about.

i distinguish the two

conventional magic is based on a fib. we accept that we are being lied to and it could be explained to us. the willing suspension of disbelief

a miracle is a substitute explanation for the inability to admit we collectively don’t know how the trick is done and no one’s gonna tell us.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:46:56pm

re: #192 lawhawk

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Hahaha.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:47:35pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

“THESE BOYCOTTS ARE WRONG! THIS IS RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! MORE CHICKEN SANDWICHES FOR THE FAITHFUL!”

“Yeah, we’re cutting ties with all these anti-LGBTQ charities…”

“HOW DARE YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON GOD! BOYCOTT!!!!”

I’m sure they’d eat Trump brand antifreeze if it came to that.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:47:37pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

The next three days are gonna absolutely suck for Repubs.

Tuesday they’ve got Vindman to pretty much put a stake into the heart of the “perfect” transcript.

Wednesday is Sondland either giving up the whole game or engaging in self-immolation to protect Dear Leader.

And Thursday caps it with Holmes ending the whole “He was concerned about corruption!” BS while either capping Sondland’s admissions or dousing him with more kerosene to keep the flames going.

Faux is gonna be spinning faster than a jet turbine.

if only we could harness that power for good instead of evil….

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:48:40pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the worst things about Vietnam is that it all seemed to make perfect sense as we were getting into it, given the generally accepted view of the political world at the time. The future of the whole world was going to be determined by the conflict between Communism and Freedom, and the Godless Communists would stop at nothing to win, so we couldn’t let them gain any more ground.

I think the wrongness of that “generally accepted view” was apparent pretty early on; that was the whole couldn’t-publically-explain reason behind Ike’s warning about the military industrial complex. (all the evidence was classified, if he shared it sources and methods would have been compromised)

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:51:15pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:51:49pm

re: #196 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

i distinguish the two

conventional magic is based on a fib. we accept that we are being lied to and it could be explained to us. the willing suspension of disbelief

a miracle is a substitute explanation for the inability to admit we collectively don’t know how the trick is done and no one’s gonna tell us.

Right, but the whole point of Magic, whether of the miraculous or the legerdemain sort is that it violates the laws of physics - that dead guy can’t come back to life, or that card leap from your hand to my inside breast pocket.

Or when The Joker says, “I’m gonna make this pencil disappear.”

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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:52:07pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:52:16pm

But not to worry, I’m sure the wingnuts will have an excuse before week’s end for why they can continue to support Chik-Fil-A so as not to give up their chicken sandwiches.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:53:09pm
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Stanley Sea  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:55:33pm

re: #179 jaunte

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This week is going to be fire.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:56:15pm

re: #203 Dread Pirate

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He really is one dumb fuck.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:57:08pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:57:57pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:58:32pm

re: #203 Dread Pirate

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I’d like to hear Schiff tomorrow note that Trump keeps insisting upon attacking the investigation of his criminal acts by using second/third/fourth person “quotes,” yet Repubs on the relevant committees continue to insist that if you didn’t personally partake in the conversation then nothing you say can be taken at face value.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 1:59:06pm

re: #208 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So did Republicans impeach Bill Clinton to overturn 1996?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:00:03pm

re: #200 sagehen

I think the wrongness of that “generally accepted view” was apparent pretty early on; that was the whole couldn’t-publically-explain reason behind Ike’s warning about the military industrial complex. (all the evidence was classified, if he shared it sources and methods would have been compromised)

I’d say that up till 1968, the generally accepted view was that the generally accepted view was correct.

I mean clearly as you go from 1965 to 1969, there’s a big drop over time in how many people thought the whole thing was justified, but it took time to get there. Time, and television, and dead young men that everyone in town knew, and struggled to find a believable justification for.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:00:03pm

I hope when pig President is gone we go in and blow those bases to rubble.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:00:39pm

Way to go Ben Shapiro and friends, contending Trump was wronged by likening him to another crook.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:01:42pm

Lawsuit could purge 234,000 names from Wisconsin voter rolls

More than 234,000 voters in Wisconsin would be made unable to cast their ballot unless they register again before the next election under a lawsuit filed Wednesday that liberals fear could dampen turnout among Democrats in the 2020 presidential race.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:02:15pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

So did Republicans impeach Bill Clinton to overturn 1996?

Largely. Read “Blinded By The Right” by David Brock.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:03:11pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

Largely. Read “Blinded By The Right” by David Brock.

That was a rhetorical question heh.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:03:58pm

re: #215 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Lawsuit could purge 234,000 names from Wisconsin voter rolls

i told you that story to tell you this one:

buried in the second to last paragraph:

The lawsuit was filed in Ozaukee County Circuit Court on behalf of three voters in Hubertus, Port Washington and Menomonee Falls.

YouTube

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:06:22pm

re: #215 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Lawsuit could purge 234,000 names from Wisconsin voter rolls

Well, then, Wisconsin Democrats need to set up a voter registration campaign and get funding like was done for reservations when the Supreme Court decided that they needed explicit addresses.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:07:49pm

Dear Zod, the wingnut freakout over Chick-Fil-A’s announcement is glorious to watch. All the little snowflakes so triggered because their safe spaces are disappearing.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:08:21pm

Every once in awhile I’ll stumble across online discussions of Vietnam and at least one tough guy will talk about how we’d have won if the military hadn’t been shackled by politicians and betrayed by hippies and the media. I have to laugh. To Ho Chi Minh and his supporters, communism was just a more honest approach to Wilson’s call for self-determination of peoples—it was always about independence from foreign control and interference first and foremost. There is no way to properly define “win” under those circumstances. It would be a forever war.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:08:48pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

Right, but the whole point of Magic, whether of the miraculous or the legerdemain sort is that it violates the laws of physics - that dead guy can’t come back to life, or that card leap from your hand to my inside breast pocket.

Or when The Joker says, “I’m gonna make this pencil disappear.”

oh exactly

If an entity, even a God, can “break” the natural laws (physics) at will, and in fact does repeatedly, ie whenever a prayer is answered or a miracle has occurred, what law is being “violated”? God is not speeding. God is simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is.

I conclude that therefore this is not a thing. it’s a subset of “we do not know everything.”

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:10:23pm

re: #219 Belafon

Also:

But in the lawsuit, WILL contends that registering again is “no hardship” because voters can do it at the polls on election day. Voters must present a photo ID and proof of residence in order to register at the polls.

Democrats also need to spend money telling people all they have to do is show up to vote.

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:11:06pm

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You can see the Bible as the inspired Word of God without having to take it all literally.

Nope. Not when “inspired” is used by Evangelicals to equal “inerrant” and “infallible.” Used some other word, but not “inspired.” Just don’t.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:11:07pm

re: #208 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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that constitution is a pesky thing.

if impeachment is overturning an election, then so is what mcconnell did to obama via merrick garland

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:12:01pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

So did Republicans impeach Bill Clinton to overturn 1996?

of course not
he was a dem
and he lied
and something, something, blue dress

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:12:45pm

re: #222 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

oh exactly

If an entity, even a God, can “break” the natural laws (physics) at will, and in fact does repeatedly, ie whenever a prayer is answered or a miracle has occurred, what law is being “violated”? God is not speeding. God is simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is.

I conclude that therefore this is not a thing. it’s a subset of “we do not know everything.”

I, OTOH, believing in neither gods nor miracles, don’t have to explain anything, and of course my job as a Scientist has as its very core belief that we do not know everything.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:13:40pm

re: #225 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

that constitution is a pesky thing.

if impeachment is overturning an election, then so is what mcconnell did to obama via merrick garland

This is where the Republican belief that only Republican government is legitimate comes in handy.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:13:51pm

re: #219 Belafon

Well, then, Wisconsin Democrats need to set up a voter registration campaign and get funding like was done for reservations when the Supreme Court decided that they needed explicit addresses.

what an opportunity for an independently rich person

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:14:36pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

Dear Zod, the wingnut freakout over Chick-Fil-A’s announcement is glorious to watch. All the little snowflakes so triggered because their safe spaces are disappearing.

what will win?
mediocre chicken sandwiches or my principles?

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:16:15pm

re: #222 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

oh exactly

If an entity, even a God, can “break” the natural laws (physics) at will, and in fact does repeatedly, ie whenever a prayer is answered or a miracle has occurred, what law is being “violated”? God is not speeding. God is simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is.

I conclude that therefore this is not a thing. it’s a subset of “we do not know everything.”

Is it breaking the natural laws, or just revising them? Like playing a computer game, say the Civilization series or SimCity… you can tweak the parameters here and there to get a desired outcome. Or go a step further and rewrite the code

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:17:01pm

re: #230 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

what will win?
mediocre chicken sandwiches or my principles?

What’s absolutely hilarious is that, after years of insistence that their support for CFA had nothing to do with the anti-LGBTQ views of the charities they donated to and everything do with “religious persecution,” wingnuts are flipping the fuck out because CFA is cutting ties with those charities.

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:17:37pm

re: #224 mmmirele

Nope. Not when “inspired” is used by Evangelicals to equal “inerrant” and “infallible.” Used some other word, but not “inspired.” Just don’t.

Out of curiosity, is there a useful word for the concept that they haven’t spoiled?

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:17:51pm
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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:19:08pm

re: #233 William Lewis

Out of curiosity, is there a useful word for the concept that they haven’t spoiled?

When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - nothing more nor less

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:19:28pm

re: #233 William Lewis

Out of curiosity, is there a useful word for the concept that they haven’t spoiled?

To put it another way: Why should they get to own them?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:19:48pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I’m sure they’d eat Trump brand antifreeze if it came to that.

Trump Wodka?

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:21:23pm

Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:21:26pm

re: #231 KGxvi

Is it breaking the natural laws, or just revising them? Like playing a computer game, say the Civilization series or SimCity… you can tweak the parameters here and there to get a desired outcome. Or go a step further and rewrite the code

it’s all about perspective, while the fundamental idea still holds

if the capability to ‘rewrite code’ exists, then it exists.
whether ‘everyone’ affected by it knows or not. or can do it or not

if ‘god can make physics rules as he goes along’, then where does that power come from…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:22:57pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

What’s absolutely hilarious is that, after years of insistence that their support for CFA had nothing to do with the anti-LGBTQ views of the charities they donated to and everything do with “religious persecution,” wingnuts are flipping the fuck out because CFA is cutting ties with those charities.

Nobody is mentioning CFA’s competitive problem with the wildly popular and recently re-introduced Popeye’s chicken sandwich, but I’d bet my eye teeth that’s in the mix.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:23:33pm

re: #238 KGxvi

Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?

We went a couple of times many years ago when they supported fundraisers for local soccer. I wasn’t impressed at all, and I didn’t know about their politics at the time. I found the sandwich dry. The lattice fries were ok, I guess.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:24:55pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Nobody is mentioning CFA’s competitive problem with the wildly popular and recently re-introduced Popeye’s chicken sandwich, but I’d bet my eye teeth that’s in the mix.

I’ve had CFA. It’s mediocre at best.

The chicken sandwich war is real and CFA is in the cross hairs. 😁

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:25:12pm

re: #241 Barefoot Grin

We went a couple of times many years ago when they supported fundraisers for local soccer. I wasn’t impressed at all, and I didn’t know about their politics at the time. I found the sandwich dry. The lattice fries were ok, I guess.

Yeah, I’d pretty much agree with that. Their food’s alright in a pinch, but I wouldn’t go out of my way for it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:26:21pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’d pretty much agree with that. Their food’s alright in a pinch, but I wouldn’t go out of my way for it.

And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:26:32pm

re: #242 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’ve had CFA. It’s mediocre at best.

The chicken sandwich war is real and CFA is in the cross hairs. 😁

Some folks I know really love CFA, and it’s not that they’re anti-LGBTQ. Maybe they just haven’t had better?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:27:04pm

re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.

And to think, we coulda had taco trucks on every damn corner…….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:27:35pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

I just happen to crave CFA sometimes. I also appreciate that they usually have really fast service.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:27:38pm

re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.

Yeah, CFA is one of those “For lack of better options” chains.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:27:48pm

re: #238 KGxvi

Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?

I like their nuggets, their wraps, and their chicken soup. If I get the sandwich, I prefer the version that comes with lettuce and tomato.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:28:44pm

re: #238 KGxvi

Honest question, because I’ve never actually ate at CFA… is their food actually good? Like even just relative to other fast food?

Been many, many years. But, I always thought they were OK, maybe a little over priced.
I do remember that it was damn annoying that they were closed on Sundays.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:29:24pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

Some folks I know really love CFA, and it’s not that they’re anti-LGBTQ. Maybe they just haven’t had better?

Or, more likely, to each their own. I’ll put this out: I find Greek meh at best, but I know other people absolutely love it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:29:27pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

Some folks I know really love CFA, and it’s not that they’re anti-LGBTQ. Maybe they just haven’t had better?

Could be.

KFC is better and pretty ubiquitous. Popeyes is better, too. We actually now have one here, but they’re not as available as KFC. Down south there may be more CFA than Popeyes but likely not as many as KFC.

Taste is personal, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:29:32pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

Yeah, CFA is one of those “For lack of better options” chains.

So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?

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A Cranky One  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:29:49pm

re: #239 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

it’s all about perspective, while the fundamental idea still holds

if the capability to ‘rewrite code’ exists, then it exists.
whether ‘everyone’ affected by it knows or not. or can do it or not

if ‘god can make physics rules as he goes along’, then where does that power come from…

He just lathers on some Miracle Whip.

Hence the existence of evil.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:30:10pm

It’s solidly average.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:31:05pm
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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:32:19pm

re: #252 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Could be.

KFC is better and pretty ubiquitous. Popeyes is better, too. We actually now have one here, but they’re not as available as KFC. Down south there may be more CFA than Popeyes but likely not as many as KFC.

Taste is personal, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

According to wikipedia, Popeyes has about 750 more locations than CFA (3100 vs 2400 or so). Both founded/based out of the south.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:32:26pm

re: #253 KGxvi

So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?

Yeah. I do like their breakfast okay enough but McDonalds has the same fried chicken biscuit for breakfast now I believe.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:32:27pm

re: #253 KGxvi

So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?

I would rank their chicken above McDonalds, Wendy’s, and a lot of other fast food places. What really kills their sandwiches is, by default, the bun is bland and they put a pickle on it. If you can get near one, get an eight piece nugget, not the grilled, and try it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:32:54pm

Really, the underlying anger towards CFA by wingnuts is the recognition that the chain is not going to win in a highly-competitive market with a “take-it-or-leave-it” attitude. It needs to expand and find more reliable markets, but that’s clashing with the reality that fighting against political barriers to such is an expensive and ultimately detrimental position. But any sort of concession to that political reality is seen as “submission” by the wingnut faithful, who think the ideal example is Hobby Lobby flipping off the Feds and spending millions fighting all the way to the SCOTUS bench.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:33:02pm

Nearest CFA to me is in Sunnyvale, whereas there are 4 Popeyes within 5 miles of here.

And yet, I haven’t gone to either.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:33:11pm

re: #254 A Cranky One

He just lathers on some Miracle Whip.

Hence the existence of evil.

+1

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:33:14pm

re: #253 KGxvi

So like the Taco Bell of the fast food fried chicken places?

I like TB.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:33:57pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Nearest CFA to me is in Sunnyvale, whereas there are 4 Popeyes within 5 miles of here.

And yet, I haven’t gone to either.

Popeye’s has started offering chicken sandwiches, and it seems they are to die for.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:34:17pm

re: #252 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Could be.

KFC is better and pretty ubiquitous. Popeyes is better, too. We actually now have one here, but they’re not as available as KFC. Down south there may be more CFA than Popeyes but likely not as many as KFC.

Taste is personal, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, I just check their locations on Google Maps, and none are in reasonable ‘fast food’ driving distance from me. There is one practically a “stones throw” from me, but, it’s in the middle of Jacksonville University’s campus. Which is a closed campus.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:34:36pm

re: #263 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I like TB.

I like Del Taco better for drive thru Mexican. But growing up in Southern California, I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to Mexican food, even fast Mexican.

But of course, to each their own.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:35:21pm

re: #265 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, I just check their locations on Google Maps, and none are in reasonable ‘fast food’ driving distance from me. There is one practically a “stones throw” from me, but, it’s in the middle of Jacksonville University’s campus. Which is a closed campus.

there are closed campus universities?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:35:58pm

re: #264 Belafon

Popeye’s has started offering chicken sandwiches, and it seems they are to die for.

When we moved to our new facility two years ago, the Popeyes they were putting in down the street from out old place (like 1/2 mile) hadn’t opened yet. Where we are now is kind of a fast food desert.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:36:09pm

re: #259 Belafon

I would rank their chicken above McDonalds, Wendy’s, and a lot of other fast food places. What really kills their sandwiches is, by default, the bun is bland and they put a pickle on it. If you can get near one, get an eight piece nugget, not the grilled, and try it.

Yeah the pickle is annoying. I wish they did the nuggets/tenders in the buffalo style like they do with the sandwich tho.

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danarchy  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:36:44pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

Yeah, CFA is one of those “For lack of better options” chains.

There is one CFA in town, I don’t go there very often because the drive through line usually wraps around the building at lunch and dinner time and there is a Wendy’s right next door that usually has no wait.

The sandwiches are pretty good for fast food, I like them better than pop-eyes. Not worth waiting for though.

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:36:47pm

re: #236 Belafon

To put it another way: Why should they get to own them?

More for my personal thesaurus and because I like to also not PO people like mmmirele.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:37:19pm

re: #266 KGxvi

I like Del Taco better for drive thru Mexican. But growing up in Southern California, I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to Mexican food, even fast Mexican.

But of course, to each their own.

Del Taco has the best late night double cheeseburgers.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:37:23pm

There’s two CFAs within driving distance from my house…but the nearest Popeyes is closer. And it’s open on Sundays.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:37:36pm

re: #263 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I like TB.

Taco Bell is good when you’re in a rush and need some cheap food to keep you going for a few more hours.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:38:01pm


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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:39:20pm

re: #257 KGxvi

According to wikipedia, Popeyes has about 750 more locations than CFA (3100 vs 2400 or so). Both founded/based out of the south.

That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.

From Business Insider:

Chick-fil-A - which became the third-largest chain in the US by sales in 2018, despite having far fewer locations than most of its rivals - has seen incredible success with its chicken sandwich …

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:39:54pm

re: #275 The Pie Overlord!

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Fucking nut jobs using Israel to fulfill their sick fantasies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:40:15pm

When I moved to CA, I liked Taco Bell. Then I found a couple real taquerias, and now TB would have to be literally the only place open when I was fainting of hunger for me to go there.

BUT, I do have a story about going to one back in the 80s. They’d just released their “Steak Fajita Burrito”, and I dropped by and bought at least one. While I was eating, the guy who’d been behind me in line, and had ordered the same thing, went back to the counter and loudly protested that what he’d received looked nothing like the beautiful, professionally photographed image on the sign.

The counter guy really didn’t know what to say. Neither did the manager. I mean, what did the guy expect for $2.99 at Taco Bell?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:40:39pm

re: #267 KGxvi

there are closed campus universities?

It’s a private college. They are a decent neighbor. Used to enjoy encountering their womens cross country team during their morning runs. I buried my cat on their property

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Mescalero09  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:41:12pm
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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:42:10pm

re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.

From Business Insider:

Chick-fil-A generates some business by scarcity: If everyone is going there it must be good.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:42:42pm

re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.

From Business Insider:

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Hence my remark earlier about “for lack of a better option” chain. While other chains have offered chicken sandwiches, they either were more expensive or less desirable than CFA’s. But now Popeyes put their own out and it’s been such a success that most people who seem to be sticking with CFA are doing so either out of loyalty or “for lack of better options.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:42:57pm

re: #275 The Pie Overlord!

The theocrats are becoming more powerful.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:43:08pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

Really, the underlying anger towards CFA by wingnuts is the recognition that the chain is not going to win in a highly-competitive market with a “take-it-or-leave-it” attitude. It needs to expand and find more reliable markets, but that’s clashing with the reality that fighting against political barriers to such is an expensive and ultimately detrimental position. But any sort of concession to that political reality is seen as “submission” by the wingnut faithful, who think the ideal example is Hobby Lobby flipping off the Feds and spending millions fighting all the way to the SCOTUS bench.

CFA opened in the UK and closed like 4 months later. They had daily anti-hate protests at their new stores.

They have a hard time in New markets when they support hate, hence what’s happening now.

I don’t know if it’ll help then, honestly. A lot of people have long memories and hating on gay kids isn’t a good look.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:43:33pm

Our town could support a second Chick-fil-A, and the company did put in to build a drive-through only store, but the city council shot that one down.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:44:08pm

re: #283 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The theocrats are becoming more powerful.

When Pence became VP, we knew this was a matter of time. It’s something else we’re going to have to fix.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:44:38pm

re: #266 KGxvi

I like Del Taco better for drive thru Mexican. But growing up in Southern California, I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to Mexican food, even fast Mexican.

But of course, to each their own.

No gots that. No gots any Mexican FF other than TB.

So, I’m glad I like it.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:45:17pm

re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.

From Business Insider:

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It’s an interesting question. Looks like CFA’s revenue in 2018 was in the $10b range. Popeyes is now owned by Burger King conglomerate whose total revenue for BK/Tim Hortons/Popeyes is about half that of CFA.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:46:13pm

Fun Taco Bell fact: They’ve tried and failed twice to open up franchises in Mexico.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:46:19pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Nearest CFA to me is in Sunnyvale, whereas there are 4 Popeyes within 5 miles of here.

And yet, I haven’t gone to either.

I’m within blocks of CFA, Popeyes, KFC, Zaxby’s, Bojangles and more—never been to any of them—I don’t eat chicken.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:46:41pm

re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That makes me think that CFA lost major market share over the recent chicken sandwich war between them and Popeyes after Popeyes Chicken sandwiches sold out repeatedly.

From Business Insider:

While our Popeye’s sold out of their sandwiches pretty quickly, it took them months to get a second batch. So far, our Chick-fil-A is no easier to get into than before.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:47:04pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Yeah the pickle is annoying. I wish they did the nuggets/tenders in the buffalo style like they do with the sandwich tho.

I like the pickle

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:47:14pm

Saw Buddy Guy (83 years old) at the Waterbury Palace last night.

Skin Deep featuring Buddy Guy | Playing For Change | Song Across America

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William Lewis  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:47:38pm

We have Taco Hell and Taco John’s around here. Neither are particularly good. Fortunately, there are local small shops that are much better. Once is very good and does a mean Huevos Rancheros and the other, even though it’s a pandering Mex-American place at least does it well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:47:43pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

Fun Taco Bell fact: They’ve tried and failed twice to open up franchises in Mexico.

That’s not a surprise. You can get better tacos for cheaper.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:47:51pm

re: #292 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I like the pickle

Heretic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:48:18pm

re: #280 Mescalero09

LOL. It doesn’t get much better than In Living Color Jim Carrey.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:49:06pm

re: #294 William Lewis

We have Taco Hell and Taco John’s around here. Neither are particularly good. Fortunately, there are local small shops that are much better. Once is very good and does a mean Huevos Rancheros and the other, even though it’s a pandering Mex-American place at least does it well.

We have a pupseria in town that has a great breakfast. I take my Dad there. Lovely place that is family/immigrant owned.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:50:45pm

re: #288 KGxvi

It’s an interesting question. Looks like CFA’s revenue in 2018 was in the $10b range. Popeyes is now owned by Burger King conglomerate whose total revenue for BK/Tim Hortons/Popeyes is about half that of CFA.

BK could use a better chicken sandwich.

And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:51:45pm

re: #297 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL. It doesn’t get much better than In Living Color Jim Carrey.

Fire Marshal Bill was one of the most hilarious, and creepiest characters to ever frequent TV sketch comedy

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:52:10pm

re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

BK could use a better chicken sandwich.

And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.

BK had a chicken parm sandwich I loved as a kid but I don’t know if they still make it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:52:31pm

re: #280 Mescalero09

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:53:50pm

re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

BK could use a better chicken sandwich.

And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.

If I could run BK, I would make them get rid of their giant bun that tends to be dry, and go with those like Whataburger or anyone who makes burgers at home or a burger stand uses.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:53:51pm

re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

BK could use a better chicken sandwich.

And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.

BK is our usual fallback when nobody wants to make dinner and we don’t want to spend much. Like late Sunday afternoon, when I’d just spent an hour or so cutting down fucking Privet branches and cutting them into Green Bin-sized bits, and hadn’t really had much to eat since breakfast….

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:54:15pm

re: #249 Belafon

The chicken soup is really good. I haven’t eaten there in years though. Can’t give money to people who condemn me and wish I didn’t exist. I’m funny that way.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:55:07pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

BK had a chicken parm sandwich I loved as a kid but I don’t know if they still make it.

I remember that. I loved it, too. I don’t know if they still have it since I don’t eat sandwiches now (unless I can remove the bun which is hard when it’s chicken parmesan). I can take the filling out of a TB taco (which I do periodically). It’s nice to have options when you’re doing super low carb.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:55:19pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

When I moved to CA, I liked Taco Bell. Then I found a couple real taquerias, and now TB would have to be literally the only place open when I was fainting of hunger for me to go there.

BUT, I do have a story about going to one back in the 80s. They’d just released their “Steak Fajita Burrito”, and I dropped by and bought at least one. While I was eating, the guy who’d been behind me in line, and had ordered the same thing, went back to the counter and loudly protested that what he’d received looked nothing like the beautiful, professionally photographed image on the sign.

The counter guy really didn’t know what to say. Neither did the manager. I mean, what did the guy expect for $2.99 at Taco Bell?

Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.

OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::

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danarchy  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:55:42pm

re: #299 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

BK could use a better chicken sandwich.

And their commercials make their food look like what it actually looks like… Which is “I’m desperate and they’re open”. Even their new fried Mac n cheese bites are good in theory but they look gross.

I got the crispy chicken sandwich at BK once and it was like chewing on old piece of leather. I figured it was late at night I went through the drive through maybe I got one that had been sitting for a while so I gave it a second chance at lunch time when theoretically things shouldn’t be sitting around and it was the same or worse.

No more chicken at BK for me.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:56:10pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

BK had a chicken parm sandwich I loved as a kid but I don’t know if they still make it.

I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:56:54pm

re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I remember that. I loved it, too. I don’t know if they still have it since I don’t eat sandwiches now (unless I can remove the bun which is hard when it’s chicken parmesan). I can take the filling out of a TB taco (which I do periodically). It’s nice to have options when you’re doing super low carb.

I don’t either. I don’t really eat too much fast food. As for TexMex, I like California Tortilla. Good variety of burrito and burrito bowl choices plus lots of sauces.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:56:59pm

re: #305 plansbandc

The chicken soup is really good. I haven’t eaten there in years though. Can’t give money to people who condemn me and wish I didn’t exist. I’m funny that way.

That’s how I am with Hobby Lobby. I used to go there but haven’t set foot in one in years now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:57:48pm

re: #307 The Pie Overlord!

Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.

OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::

Plus the burgers have been on the grill for SECONDS, and are raw inside.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:58:04pm

re: #307 The Pie Overlord!

Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.

OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::

And lots of stuff made out of carved and painted butter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:58:07pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’

Taco Bell was my drunk food choice in college on campus. Off campus, it was a dive that had solid po boys and Cajun fries.

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Jay C  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:58:59pm

So I just realized/remembered that there’s a Popeyes just a few blocks from me: one of just four in Manhattan, according to their site. I guess I’ll have to check out the chicken sandwich so as not to get behind the discussion threads….🍗🍗🍗

And it’s right by a college, so the crowds will be a given….

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 2:59:37pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’

The sauce saved it. Otherwise, as danarchy said above, it’s dry as dust.

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:00:31pm

re: #311 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Yep. No Hobby Lobby ever again.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:01:11pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. I don’t really eat too much fast food. As for TexMex, I like California Tortilla. Good variety of burrito and burrito bowl choices plus lots of sauces.

I love Chipotle. Hubby hates it but I think the flavor is great. There’s a Qudobo (sic) not too far away but it’s nowhere near as good as Chipotle.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:02:40pm

re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I love Chipotle. Hubby hates it but I think the flavor is great. There’s a Qudobo (sic) not too far away but it’s nowhere near as good as Chipotle.

I did enjoy their carne asada. I got it a couple of times. I just wish their tortillas had more integrity.

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Targetpractice  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:03:46pm

re: #308 danarchy

I got the crispy chicken sandwich at BK once and it was like chewing on old piece of leather. I figured it was late at night I went through the drive through maybe I got one that had been sitting for a while so I gave it a second chance at lunch time when theoretically things shouldn’t be sitting around and it was the same or worse.

No more chicken at BK for me.

Yeah, most burger chains have (at the least) a chicken sandwich if not a fish sandwich because they don’t want to lose sales to other chains who have those items for the people in a crowd who might not want a burger today. But the flip side is they take it on sufferance, as they know they’re not going to get all that many sales for their chicken sandwiches and so the ones available tend to have been sitting in a warmer for awhile.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:03:53pm

re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I love Chipotle. Hubby hates it but I think the flavor is great. There’s a Qudobo (sic) not too far away but it’s nowhere near as good as Chipotle.

I miss La Tapatia in downtown South City. Stuck in the back of a Mexican grocery, no tables, just a burrito/taco assembly line. Closest taqueria now is pretty generic, though their regular Carnitas tacos (the little guys with onions and cilantro) are pretty good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:04:37pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

I did enjoy their carne asada. I got it a couple of times. I just wish their tortillas had more integrity.

You feel their tortillas are being disingenuous?

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:05:54pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

sigh

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:05:54pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

You feel their tortillas are being disingenuous?

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They’re no Trump but they could be stronger.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:06:27pm

re: #307 The Pie Overlord!

Yeah, food photography includes tricks like using motor oil for gravy, vaseline on juicy burgers, and shaving cream for whipped cream.

OH NOM NOM! ::vomit face::

Like the Thanksgiving Turkeys that are barely cooked then painted brown, because an actual corretly roasted turkey isn’t as pretty and plump.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:06:37pm

re: #62 lawhawk

Looks like the Russians are more than happy with Butina’s performance and are open to giving her a position from which to spread her propaganda further.

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I remember when she was all about “Gun Owner Rights.” Funny how that claptrap disappeared as well as her Russian front gun organization did once her job was done helping steer the NRA off its hinges. Now that she is safely back under Putin’s rule totally gone is any mention of Gun Rights and now we have the next useful idiots targeting to look forward to. The useful idiots used to be the NRA and fellow right wing assholes. Now it looks like a possible pivot to Bernie Bros, white nativists, and like-minded Euro assholes as the next Putin stooges.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:06:54pm

re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Q’doba. I liked their tacos, but I believe Chipotle offers that now as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:07:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:07:44pm

re: #327 Belafon

Q’doba. I liked their tacos, but I believe Chipotle offers that now as well.

Yeah they have tacos and corn tortillas too.

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Ferdinand  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:08:32pm

Say what you will about Oklahoma City (and I do!) it definitely has an incredible taco selection, just as good as Tucson or Santa Fe, where I’ve also lived. Taco Bueno and Taco Mayo are these local institutions/chains with badass bulk taco options, and there’s so much more I’m just finding out about.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:08:37pm

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

Stoking your base makes you a racist.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:08:59pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Taco Bell was my drunk food choice in college on campus. Off campus, it was a dive that had solid po boys and Cajun fries.

At Ft. Bragg the “go to’s” were Hardee’s (the location on the most direct return route was on and off the ‘off limits’ list pretty regular) Shoney’s (breakfast bar..mmmmm….) and sometimes IHOP (but that place was a pain in the ass, always crowded with slow service)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:09:18pm

I used to like burritos more than tacos but tacos are a) more versatile and b) you get more than one taco and c) they travel better.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:10:00pm

re: #332 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

At Ft. Bragg the “go to’s” were Hardee’s (the location on the most direct return route was on and off the ‘off limits’ list pretty regular) Shoney’s (breakfast bar..mmmmm….) and sometimes IHOP (but that place was a pain in the ass, always crowded with slow service)

Breakfast in the middle of the night is always welcome.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:10:45pm

re: #325 Blind Frog Belly White

Like the Thanksgiving Turkeys that are barely cooked then painted brown, because an actual corretly roasted turkey isn’t as pretty and plump.

Wait what? Mine are gorgeous. What an I found wrong/right?

Edit. Frigging phone. What am I doing wrong/right?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:11:41pm

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:11:54pm

re: #327 Belafon

Q’doba. I liked their tacos, but I believe Chipotle offers that now as well.

I think they always did. They did in Chicago, at least.

The closest Chipotle is 40 miles away. ☹️

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:12:01pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Breakfast in the middle of the night is always welcome.

Yeah, that was a weird part of summer weekends when I was in college - stopping on the way back from Maryland (where the drinking age was 18) at the HoJos in Gettysburg and having breakfast food at 1 or 2 AM.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:14:10pm

I mean he says racist things, is openly supported by David Duke, singles out non whites but I’ll have to think about it like I have to think about whether or or whether not pizza is awesome.

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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:14:18pm

re: #330 Ferdinand

I like Taco Bueno. We had one but it closed. I also like Taco John’s but we don’t have those either.

I ate Taco Bell quite a bit but then I got old and my stomach said no more.

That being said, we have any number of delicious options for New Mexican and Mexican food. One of our new go to places for breakfast burritos donates 15% of their profits to vets.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:14:25pm

re: #335 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Wait what? Mine are gorgeous. What an I found wrong/right?

“You better not be eating that turkey! It’s got an hour to cook! You’ll get worms!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:15:10pm

re: #338 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that was a weird part of summer weekends when I was in college - stopping on the way back from Maryland (where the drinking age was 18) at the HoJos in Gettysburg and having breakfast food at 1 or 2 AM.

There’s just something about pancakes or breakfast burritos when the sun is down and a few beers or hits in.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:15:43pm

Has anyone made tuna steaks at home where they didn’t suck? What did you do? Mine always are ghastly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:16:22pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

I mean he says racist things, is openly supported by David Duke, singles out non whites but I’ll have to think about it like I have to think about whether or or whether not pizza is awesome.

He’s just a non-racist, non-misogynist who - completely by chance - only calls black political opponents ‘stupid’ and who - again, completely by chance - only attacked the lone female witness at the impeachment hearings last week.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:17:55pm

Oh yeah, before I forget. Since we’re doing ‘the fast food thread’ (lol)
Tried the Arby’s Gyro (had a coupon: 2 for $6) Went beef and turkey (wary of lamb, especially fast food lamb)
Enjoyed the flavor, but missed the feta

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:18:22pm
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plansbandc  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:19:51pm

re: #343 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I do some kind of marinade. Last time it was lemon based and then we grilled ‘em on a charcoal grill. Delicious.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:20:13pm

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a strict liability argument for racist statements, I think. Along the lines of “it doesn’t matter what your intent was, or what you ‘feel’, if the result is racist shit, that’s all that matters.” Which would be a decent way to follow “I don’t know if he’s racist…” The problem is, most of these people that want to absolve Trump just want to absolve him. Because to admit that he is racist, either intentionally or via strict liability, is to admit that a large portion of American voters knowingly and enthusiastically voted for a racist

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:21:10pm

re: #343 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Has anyone made tuna steaks at home where they didn’t suck? What did you do? Mine always are ghastly.

I think the key to tuna steaks is super hot grill, and quick searing

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:22:28pm

re: #345 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh yeah, before I forget. Since we’re doing ‘the fast food thread’ (lol)
Tried the Arby’s Gyro (had a coupon: 2 for $6) Went beef and turkey (wary of lamb, especially fast food lamb)
Enjoyed the flavor, but missed the feta

I got that and it was fucking Arby’s roast beef with shitty tziziki sauce on a folded flatbread. I was disappointed in a big way.

I made homemade gyros and it came out really well (thank you for the recipe!!). That’s going to be my go to from now on.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:23:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:23:51pm

Best Taco I ever had outside Mexico was in San Antonio.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:23:53pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

There’s just something about pancakes or breakfast burritos when the sun is down and a few beers or hits in.

I love a good breakfast burrito. There’s a greasy spoon type place by my folks that I’ve been going to since Jr High and they’ll do any of their breakfast plates as a burrito, so my go to is a polish sausage breakfast burrito.

There’s another place in Costa Mesa that does their breakfast burritos with fried eggs (sort of over easy-ish) that is another favorite of mine.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:24:01pm

Made homemade cubanos the other night. That was fun.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:24:08pm

re: #330 Ferdinand

Say what you will about Oklahoma City (and I do!) it definitely has an incredible taco selection, just as good as Tucson or Santa Fe, where I’ve also lived. Taco Bueno and Taco Mayo are these local institutions/chains with badass bulk taco options, and there’s so much more I’m just finding out about.

Taco Bueno started in Abilene - one of the few good things to come out of the city, me I just chose to leave - and it’s our go to place for fast Mexican.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:24:30pm

re: #348 KGxvi

There’s a strict liability argument for racist statements, I think. Along the lines of “it doesn’t matter what your intent was, or what you ‘feel’, if the result is racist shit, that’s all that matters.” Which would be a decent way to follow “I don’t know if he’s racist…” The problem is, most of these people that want to absolve Trump just want to absolve him. Because to admit that he is racist, either intentionally or via strict liability, is to admit that a large portion of American voters knowingly and enthusiastically voted for a racist

It’s kind of the same thing as asking whether he’s lying when he tells lies. That is, if he really believes it, even though it’s not true and he’s been told repeatedly it’s not true, if he believes it’s true, is it still lying?

I mean, honestly to me it’s worst if he’s not lying but rather telling lies that he believes are true, because what it means is that he is disconnected from reality and really only believes what he wants to believe, and/or thinks that if he believes it, it must be true, or it BECOMES true. The thing is, he’s been shielded from the consequences of believing his own bullshit for his whole life, so why WOULDN’T he think that his believing something makes it so?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:24:36pm

re: #351 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m half surprised she didn’t just call them “Fake News!” and ask them to leave.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:25:16pm

re: #353 KGxvi

I love a good breakfast burrito. There’s a greasy spoon type place by my folks that I’ve been going to since Jr High and they’ll do any of their breakfast plates as a burrito, so my go to is a polish sausage breakfast burrito.

There’s another place in Costa Mesa that does their breakfast burritos with fried eggs (sort of over easy-ish) that is another favorite of mine.

I’ve made my own. Eggs, salsa verde (my favorite!), cheese, & the secret ingredient: potatoes.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:26:39pm

re: #315 Jay C

So I just realized/remembered that there’s a Popeyes just a few blocks from me: one of just four in Manhattan, according to their site. I guess I’ll have to check out the chicken sandwich so as not to get behind the discussion threads….🍗🍗🍗

And it’s right by a college, so the crowds will be a given….

A few weeks ago, I did a comment on Tad’s Steak House. The last one is near Times Square, closing in a few weeks. Edible steak/salad/potato for $9.19.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:27:25pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

I’ve made my own. Eggs, salsa verde (my favorite!), cheese, & the secret ingredient: potatoes.

I prefer hash browns, but potatoes definitely work too. There’s a super local chain in Long Beach (Hole Mole for those in the area) that will do their breakfast burritos Cali style (fries as the potato).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:28:06pm

re: #352 Eclectic Cyborg

Best Taco I ever had outside Mexico was in San Antonio.

Some of the best Chinese food I’ve had, not acquired in Manhattan Chinatown, was from a little back street joint in Comayagua, Honduras

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:28:06pm
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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:29:09pm

re: #359 Decatur Deb

A few weeks ago, I did a comment on Tad’s Steak House. The last one is near Times Square, closing in a few weeks. Edible steak/salad/potato for $9.19.

Vegas used to have a tradition of inexpensive steakhouses and/or buffets where you could get surf n turf for like $9.99 or some such. But those have started to go the way of the dinosaur.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:29:23pm

re: #360 KGxvi

I prefer hash browns, but potatoes definitely work too. There’s a super local chain in Long Beach (Hole Mole for those in the area) that will do their breakfast burritos Cali style (fries as the potato).

Anita’s does here. Southwestern/Central American is my favorite breakfast.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:30:11pm

re: #349 KGxvi

I think the key to tuna steaks is super hot grill, and quick searing

Learned on Kwajalein.

1) Know the guy who caught the tuna that afternoon.
2) Marinade in soy and lime juice 1 hour. Splash of tequila helps.
3) 1 inch thick.
4) Hot grill, 3-4 minutes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:30:30pm

re: #363 KGxvi

Vegas used to have a tradition of inexpensive steakhouses and/or buffets where you could get surf n turf for like $9.99 or some such. But those have started to go the way of the dinosaur.

They were probably trying to compete with the casinos, but the casinos can get away with it because they make so much money in their normal course of business. They probably take a loss on food, if I had to guess.

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steve_davis  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:31:29pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

I just happen to crave CFA sometimes. I also appreciate that they usually have really fast service.

I tried explaining this on Facebook. Yes, I usually boycott them, but once a year, I get a craving for the chicken and pickle.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:32:31pm

re: #366 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They were probably trying to compete with the casinos, but the casinos can get away with it because they make so much money in their normal course of business. They probably take a loss on food, if I had to guess.

A lot of them were in casinos, particularly the buffets. Probably lost leaders back in the day, especially with comps. But that town has changed so much in the last 30 years, it shouldn’t be a surprise. And now it’s becoming something of a food destination even off the strip.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:34:10pm

re: #368 KGxvi

A lot of them were in casinos, particularly the buffets. Probably lost leaders back in the day, especially with comps. But that town has changed so much in the last 30 years, it shouldn’t be a surprise. And now it’s becoming something of a food destination even off the strip.

The buffets, yeah, I guess I was distinguishing from casino buffets as compared to, like, Golden Corral. I only went to Vegas once, and that was almost 20 years ago, so it’s probably changed drastically.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:38:48pm

Jake, I think you misspelled “because of” as “despite”…

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steve_davis  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:39:50pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

I used to like burritos more than tacos but tacos are a) more versatile and b) you get more than one taco and c) they travel better.

And d)if you eat one while driving, and it breaks, your lunch is over, unless you like eating off the floor.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:40:03pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White

I did Nazi that coming.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:40:33pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White

Jake, I think you misspelled “because of” as “despite”…

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Miller is going to be there until the end. I hope he doesn’t end up like Pat Buchanan and will still be prominent over 40 years after Trump leaves.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:41:36pm

I’m not surprised.
Suit alleges damages because they claim they are being cooked on the same grill as the meat. Thus contaminating them with meat by products. Seems likely they are correct. Have to admit I had already wondered how they were keeping their vegi-burger completely meatless

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:41:46pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Miller is going to be there until the end. I hope he doesn’t end up like Pat Buchanan and will still be prominent over 40 years after Trump leaves.

Buchanan = your crazy racist uncle.

Miller = that creepy racist in your dorm.

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steve_davis  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:41:56pm

re: #350 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I got that and it was fucking Arby’s roast beef with shitty tziziki sauce on a folded flatbread. I was disappointed in a big way.

I made homemade gyros and it came out really well (thank you for the recipe!!). That’s going to be my go to from now on.

The lamb is fine. the Arby’s Greek Gyro (with the lamb) is so good that if Arby’s discussion comes up on social media, I’ll have somebody volunteer that the Gyro is what they routinely go for.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:42:44pm

re: #374 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m not surprised.
Suit alleges damages because they claim they are being cooked on the same grill as the meat. Thus contaminating them with meat by products. Seems likely they are correct. Have to admit I had already wondered how they were keeping their vegi-burger completely meatless

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Fuck ‘em. What do they expect at BURGER KING?

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:43:02pm

re: #369 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The buffets, yeah, I guess I was distinguishing from casino buffets as compared to, like, Golden Corral. I only went to Vegas once, and that was almost 20 years ago, so it’s probably changed drastically.

Every casino back in the day would have a buffet, a diner, and a steakhouse of some sort. In the 90s it started to change, where they started bringing in outside places. Some place would have mall style food courts, others would go with a branded diner type place.

Now it kind of depends on which casino you’re at. A lot of places have celebrity chef restaurants - Gordan Ramsay has a place a Caesars and Planet Hollywood; David Chang has a place there now too but I forget where.

And it’s not like they half ass it either. The Ramsay burger place at Planet Hollywood might have one of the three or four best burgers I’ve ever ate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:44:01pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White

Jake, I think you misspelled “because of” as “despite”…

@TheLeadCNN
White House stands by Stephen Miller despite emails pushing white nationalist site @sarasidnerCNN reports

“It’s a feature, not a bug”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:44:38pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

Buchanan = your crazy racist uncle.

Miller = that creepy racist in your dorm.

Yeah but in 1970, Pat was the latter heh

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:44:53pm

re: #374 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m not surprised.
Suit alleges damages because they claim they are being cooked on the same grill as the meat. Thus contaminating them with meat by products. Seems likely they are correct. Have to admit I had already wondered how they were keeping their vegi-burger completely meatless

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There were some complaints as well that they weren’t using vegan buns for the impossible burgers.

I keep meaning to try a beyond or impossible burger, but I think if I did it, I’d want to cook it myself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:45:57pm

re: #376 steve_davis

The lamb is fine. the Arby’s Greek Gyro (with the lamb) is so good that if Arby’s discussion comes up on social media, I’ll have somebody volunteer that the Gyro is what they routinely go for.

In college, we had to walk about a mile from campus to get to the fast food restaurants (VERY few students had cars - it was actively discouraged by the administration). To us, Arby’s was like premium fast food, because they had their horseradish sauce and they weren’t McDonalds (which was the next restaurant over).

So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:46:53pm

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck ‘em. What do they expect at BURGER KING?

Yeah, kind of like an observant Jew or Muslim going to ‘Waffle House”

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Weaselone  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:47:56pm

re: #350 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I got that and it was fucking Arby’s roast beef with shitty tziziki sauce on a folded flatbread. I was disappointed in a big way.

I made homemade gyros and it came out really well (thank you for the recipe!!). That’s going to be my go to from now on.

Wait. Where is this recipe for home mode gyros?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:50:27pm

re: #381 KGxvi

There were some complaints as well that they weren’t using vegan buns for the impossible burgers.

I keep meaning to try a beyond or impossible burger, but I think if I did it, I’d want to cook it myself.

I don’t think BK ever claimed the damn thing was “vegan”. Hell BK slaps mayo on Whoppers by default.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:50:51pm

re: #378 KGxvi

And it’s not like they half ass it either. The Ramsay burger place at Planet Hollywood might have one of the three or four best burgers I’ve ever ate.

But they are probably fucking expensive, aren’t they?

I remember when I was in Vegas a lot of shit on the strip was ludicrously priced but if you went a few miles out of the way you could find casinoes with a pretty solid buffet for less than $20 / person.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:52:09pm

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?

In my opinion the quality of Arbys has fallen significantly in the past few years. I seldom find myself in the mood for their meat filled crap these days.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:53:12pm

re: #383 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, kind of like an observant Jew or Muslim going to ‘Waffle House”

The saddest PA announcement I ever heard was the Tel Aviv-bound TWA cabin attendant begging the passengers:

“If you ordered the kosher, vegan, diabetic meal please press your seat light.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:54:37pm

re: #388 Decatur Deb

The saddest PA announcement I ever heard was the Tel Aviv-bound TWA cabin attendant begging the passengers:

“If you ordered the kosher, vegan, diabetic meal, please press your seat light.”

Somebody loaded the wrong carts

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:55:45pm

re: #376 steve_davis

The lamb is fine. the Arby’s Greek Gyro (with the lamb) is so good that if Arby’s discussion comes up on social media, I’ll have somebody volunteer that the Gyro is what they routinely go for.

I wish we had that. I’m going to try Michigan to see if they have it. What I got was gross.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:56:25pm

re: #368 KGxvi

A lot of them were in casinos, particularly the buffets. Probably lost leaders back in the day, especially with comps. But that town has changed so much in the last 30 years, it shouldn’t be a surprise. And now it’s becoming something of a food destination even off the strip.

Funniest Las Vegas buffet scene (House of Lies—gotta love it)

House of Lies Season 2: Episode 2 Clip - Buffet’s Rigged

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:57:37pm

I remember one time the Bellagio was running a breakfast buffet for some special event (maybe a holiday, I honestly don’t remember) and charging like $70 a head.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:57:40pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:57:54pm

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

In college, we had to walk about a mile from campus to get to the fast food restaurants (VERY few students had cars - it was actively discouraged by the administration). To us, Arby’s was like premium fast food, because they had their horseradish sauce and they weren’t McDonalds (which was the next restaurant over).

So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?

When they first opened they were great. The roast beef was delicious and the potato cakes with horsey sauce were great.

Then they went to some unidentifiable meat that wasn’t good at all.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:58:01pm

re: #386 Eclectic Cyborg

But they are probably fucking expensive, aren’t they?

I remember when I was in Vegas a lot of shit on the strip was ludicrously priced but if you went a few miles out of the way you could find casinoes with a pretty solid buffet for less than $20 / person.

They’re in the $15-20 range. Which is about right for a higher end sit down burger, I think.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:58:11pm

re: #388 Decatur Deb

The saddest PA announcement I ever heard was the Tel Aviv-bound TWA cabin attendant begging the passengers:

“If you ordered the kosher, vegan, diabetic meal please press your seat light.”

I hope it was gluten free.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 18, 2019 • 3:59:06pm

re: #395 KGxvi

They’re in the $15-20 range. Which is about right for a higher end sit down burger, I think.

Ayup.

Biggest price tag I’ve seen on a gourmet item: $250 for a whole foie gras. The reason why it stood out is because it was on a menu with a bunch of $15-$20 entrees like the aforementioned burgers. Like, okay, okay, yup, looks good… wait, WHAT the hell?!

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:00:02pm

re: #391 BeachDem

Funniest Las Vegas buffet scene (House of Lies—gotta love it)

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There’s a lot of truth there.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:00:40pm

re: #387 Eclectic Cyborg

In my opinion the quality of Arbys has fallen significantly in the past few years. I seldom find myself in the mood for their meat filled crap these days.

I had two ‘beef-n-cheddars’ a couple days ago (coupon again), first in many, many, many years. Definitely seemed like something was missing.
Also, fought off the urge for a ‘Jamocha’ shake. $3.50 for a small? Please.

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KGxvi  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:01:48pm

re: #399 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I had two ‘beef-n-cheddars’ a couple days ago (coupon again), first in many, many, many years. Definitely seemed like something was missing.
Also, fought off the urge for a ‘Jamocha’ shake. $3.50 for a small? Please.

Five dollars for a milkshake?

Pulp Fiction | ‘$5 Milkshake’ (HD) - Uma Thurman, John Travolta | MIRAMAX

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:02:48pm

Speaking of food restrictions. Living in the Southwest, I’ve had to have the talk about the difference between a tortilla and Nan…… Oh boy. Some of the responses were rather humorous. Some I just didn’t have the heart to tell.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:03:52pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:05:17pm

re: #402 Dread Pirate

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In the old days they would say she “cut quite a swathe”.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:08:53pm

re: #384 Weaselone

Wait. Where is this recipe for home mode gyros?

I used several actually. The spices differed. So I looked at like 10 top rated recipes, used spices from several including cumin, cardimom and loads of garlic and salt (and more actually). I spice processed the spices to a powder and address it to the meat. The key is to food process the shit out of the meat until it’s a paste, then hard pack it into a baking dish.

It was really easy and on par with what I’ve gotten in restaurants.

I saved the recipe so I don’t have the URL. But I basically blended the meat, put it in a meatloaf pan and cooked it straight away.

If you follow this recipe, triple the salt and garlic otherwise it’s not enough. And add a scant Teaspoon (no more!) of cardimom.


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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:09:33pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

In the old days they would say she “cut quite a swathe”.

“What great good fortune that this young Russian woman will stay in my home, eat my food, sleep with me if I vouch for her credentials, just write her grad school papers and introduce her to national GOP figures!”

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:11:27pm

re: #404 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Sounds like it might be very good, but you don’t get to play samurai chef with a wicked blade.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:14:52pm

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Sounds like it might be very good, but you don’t get to play samurai chef with a wicked blade.

You can afterward. Once it’s all cooked, let it cool and wrap it in tin foil and leave it in the fridge overnight. Then samurai the slices to your hearts content. 😁 Especially if you like super thin slices.

I just sliced and served. I didn’t fry them again. It wasn’t necessary.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:20:06pm

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck ‘em. What do they expect at BURGER KING?

Thanks. I was trying to find the best way to articulate that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:23:25pm

re: #152 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

by then it’s likely too late for him
if the senate trial is going against him, everyone’s testified, or admitted, or something

wild ass pardoning is a hell of an admission

and if he pardons everyone involved in this conspiracy we’re back to “can a president pardon himself and/or other people involved in a (criminal) conspiracy with him”

and further, if more info comes out re Russian and 2016 and any trump involvement - ie mueller et al, then the question becomes ‘can a president use the pardon power to pardon himself for crimes committed to gain the office and the pardon power”

my head hurts just thinking about it

The constitution explicitly says that the President has no power to grant pardons in cases of impeachment. So at least if he is impeached, he cannot use pardon power to escape removal from office.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:25:52pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:26:14pm

re: #408 Belafon

Thanks. I was trying to find the best way to articulate that.

LGF’s Poet Laureate will never leave you speechless.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:26:57pm

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

In college, we had to walk about a mile from campus to get to the fast food restaurants (VERY few students had cars - it was actively discouraged by the administration). To us, Arby’s was like premium fast food, because they had their horseradish sauce and they weren’t McDonalds (which was the next restaurant over).

So I was surprised to find Arby’s seems to be bottom of the heap in the Fast Food world. Unless I’m missing something?

I hear people disparage Arby’s, but it doesn’t sound any different than the others. I like their roast beef, the cheese, their sauce. But it’s like people here talking about other restaurants.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:28:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:30:49pm

re: #402 Dread Pirate

“Beautiful Russian women seek friendship, marriage”

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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:32:12pm
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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:32:41pm

Amanda Kondrat’yev was sentenced to 15 days in jail and a $500 fine for throwing a slushie at Matt Gaetz on June 1.

Her attorney had a few things to say about Rep. Gaetz:

“For him to talk about a violent crime, it’s not as violent as a potential DUI is to drivers on the road,” Stevenson said, referring to Gaetz’s 2008 arrest in Okaloosa County on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol (charges were later dropped). “It’s not as much of a threat to our national security as storming a security hearing with a cellphone in a room that doesn’t allow cellphones. It doesn’t jeopardize our rule of law as much as intimidating witnesses, and it’s not as severe as threatening to unleash violent supporters if you don’t get what you want.

“I wish that he could have shown (Kondrat’yev) some Christian justice or mercy,” Stevenson added.

Amanda has two special-needs children and is separated from her husband right now. I’m not sure who will be caring for the kids while she’s in jail. This is so stupid.

pnj.com

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:33:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:34:46pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

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Chick-Fil-A survived because Popeyes ran out of chicken sandwiches. They’ve stocked up again.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:35:14pm

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

“Beautiful Russian women seek friendship, marriage”

“Let’s get to know each other. Tell me about your first pet, your favorite movie, your mother’s maiden name.”

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Dread Pirate  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:36:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:37:56pm

re: #419 Decatur Deb

“Let’s get to know each other. Tell me about your first pet, your favorite movie, your mother’s maiden name.”

Like my joke about all the Facebook clickbaity ‘quizzes’ - “What your Social Security number says about YOU!!!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:38:55pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:42:24pm

re: #422 GlutenFreeJesus

Not ZeFrank but really cool.

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OMG CUTE!!!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:43:12pm
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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:44:33pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

ROFL!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:44:42pm

re: #422 GlutenFreeJesus

So the spider invented the hydraulic ram?

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wrenchwench  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:47:18pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:48:29pm

re: #419 Decatur Deb

“Let’s get to know each other. Tell me about your first pet, your favorite movie, your mother’s maiden name.”

“If you were to make a password out of your social security number, what would it be?”

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:48:30pm

re: #385 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t think BK ever claimed the damn thing was “vegan”. Hell BK slaps mayo on Whoppers by default.

All they claimed was that the meat was made from plants. They never called the burger a vegetarian burger.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:50:04pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:50:31pm

re: #429 Belafon

All they claimed was that the meat was made from plants. They never called the burger a vegetarian burger.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the Legal Department would have told them in no uncertain terms why they should NOT call it “vegetarian”.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:51:39pm

re: #393 gocart mozart

Good on Dallas.

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:54:03pm

re: #402 Dread Pirate

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:54:07pm

re: #432 Belafon

Good on Dallas.

Not something you hear every day, especially in Pittsburgh.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:56:26pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:56:36pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

I can just see the Creative team at Sterling Cooper coming up with that and pitching it to Don, only to get the “Are you kidding me?” look….

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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:57:42pm

re: #435 goddamnedfrank

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:59:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 4:59:51pm

re: #437 BigPapa

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:01:35pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

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Glad Ben is showing why he’s a rational adult and totally not like the alt right shitheads he denies he’s a fellow traveler with.

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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:01:52pm

re: #439 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:03:27pm

re: #436 Blind Frog Belly White

I can just see the Creative team at Sterling Cooper coming up with that and pitching it to Don, only to get the “Are you kidding me?” look….

Having worked for a spell in an ad agency creative department I can totally see the meeting that produced this. Non-profits will greenlight some really crazy shit when an agency does the job pro-bono.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:05:02pm
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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:07:18pm

re: #438 gocart mozart

Spectator… not confirmed. But holy shit. All the signs are there.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:08:15pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:09:25pm

re: #444 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Story:
Traffic nightmare: Bizarre fire, crash close I-5 lanes near Lakewood for nearly 13 hours

On the way down here I saw a dumpster delivery truck just fully engulfed in flame on the 405 by the Getty. Seems like some kind of omen.

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:12:56pm

re: #442 goddamnedfrank

Having worked for a spell in an ad agency creative department I can totally see the meeting that produced this. Non-profits will greenlight some really crazy shit when an agency does the job pro-bono.

Pro bono doesn’t explain it—$450k for this shit.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:13:32pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:14:23pm

re: #448 BeachDem

Pro bono doesn’t explain it—$450k for this shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:14:49pm

re: #449 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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He won’t let himself to be 25thed and neither will his base.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:15:28pm

re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And since fast food is available on every corner, even in rural America, there’s better options.

Wendy’s chicken sandwich is much better than CFA. Never had a Popeye’s chicken sandwich so I can’t compare there, but I love Popeye’s red beans and rice.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:16:12pm

These people. They’re not right in the head.

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Weaselone  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:17:37pm

re: #404 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:17:53pm

re: #453 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

These people. They’re not right in the head.

Who the fuck is paying Charlie’s bills? It must be nice to be this ignorant and get the funds he does to spread bullshit propaganda.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:18:27pm

re: #452 Eventual Carrion

Wendy’s chicken sandwich is much better than CFA. Never had a Popeye’s chicken sandwich so I can’t compare there, but I love Popeye’s red beans and rice.

Before Five Guys made Cajun fries famous, Popeyes did it first. And yeah the red beans and rice are great.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:18:40pm

re: #448 BeachDem

Pro bono doesn’t explain it—$450k for this shit.

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Can’t remember the name of the annual advertising “oscar” but, to get qualified in the TV category, your ad must show at least once. Sometime in the 70s, Melvin van Peebles got a station to run his ad at some god-awful hour:

“Use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye.”

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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:20:38pm

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Who the fuck is paying Charlie’s bills? It must be nice to be this ignorant and get the funds he does to spread bullshit propaganda.

Fresh out of high school Charlie wrote a Breitbart column/oped. Don’t know how he got in must be family. In a short period of time he talked Foster Friess into giving him $5m to start Talking Point USA to make conservatism hip.

He’s never had a real job. But the most damaging info on him:

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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:22:09pm

re: #456 HappyWarrior

Before Five Guys made Cajun fries famous, Popeyes did it first. And yeah the red beans and rice are great.

This is a great recipe for red beans and rice

Spearhead - Red Beans & Rice

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:22:15pm

re: #458 BigPapa

Fresh out of high school Charlie wrote a Breitbart column/oped. Don’t know how he got in must be family. In a short period of time he talked Foster Friess into giving him $5m to start Talking Point USA to make conservatism hip.

He’s never had a real job. But the most damaging info on him:

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Like so many right wing social influencers like him, I’m amused by people like him who mock working people’s work ethic when these guys are propagandists. If Charlie ever actually had to work a honest day, he’d go crazy since he doesn’t know the meaning of honest work.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:23:16pm

I mean for all the talk about left wing brainwashing. I give you Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens, and hte countless other right wingers who are nothing but shills who know nothing about anything except lame right wing talking points.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:23:40pm

re: #453 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

These people. They’re not right in the head.

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Exactly what my brother keeps on saying!! So a new definite date that the Democrats are going down!! And as accurate as the last one!! (about 6 weeks after the date my brother originally claimed).

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:24:34pm

re: #458 BigPapa

Fresh out of high school Charlie wrote a Breitbart column/oped. Don’t know how he got in must be family. In a short period of time he talked Foster Friess into giving him $5m to start Talking Point USA to make conservatism hip.

He’s never had a real job. But the most damaging info on him:

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Slugs of that sort (Ragefurby, Daladein, O’Keefe, Shapiro) give value for monies expended. Look into the Leadership Institute to see some of the pathways.

leadershipinstitute.org

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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:24:39pm

re: #450 Blind Frog Belly White

Sometimes, nobody can see what the problem is, till someone does, then nobody can unsee it.

And they went out of state to find an agency that sells itself with corny shit like

“the status of your business should never be quo”

and introduces their portfolio with “work that works”

(I have spent 40+ years in advertising creative and that crap would get you laughed out of most pitches)

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wrenchwench  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:25:08pm

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Can’t remember the name of the annual advertising “oscar” but, to get qualified in the TV category, your ad must show at least once. Sometime in the 70s, Melvin van Peebles got a station to run his ad at some god-awful hour:

“Use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye.”

Clio

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:25:14pm

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Like so many right wing social influencers like him, I’m amused by people like him who mock working people’s work ethic when these guys are propagandists. If Charlie ever actually had to work a honest day, he’d go crazy since he doesn’t know the meaning of honest work.

I HATE HATE HATE that word Influencers. Abs the concept, too.

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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:26:41pm

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Watch Charlie get triggered by Cenk:

Unhinged Charlie Kirk Triggered by Cenk Uygur at Politicon

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:27:32pm

re: #466 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I HATE HATE HATE that word Influencers. Abs the concept, too.

I hate it too. After reading about the alt-right, I need a bath. Surprisingly TP-USA didn’t make it into the book.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:27:49pm
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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:28:02pm

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Can’t remember the name of the annual advertising “oscar” but, to get qualified in the TV category, your ad must show at least once. Sometime in the 70s, Melvin van Peebles got a station to run his ad at some god-awful hour:

“Use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye.”

National are the Clios (local are usually Addys). Love that story! (Reminds me of the ad campaign on Kimmie Schmidt—You go girl! for bladder control)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:28:40pm

re: #467 BigPapa

Watch Charlie get triggered by Cenk:

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He really needs to get a fucking life and realize he’s not as clever as the assholes who fund his sorry ass tell him he is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:29:10pm

re: #469 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s completely in line with how Trump has acted throughout.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:29:18pm
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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:33:13pm

re: #473 gocart mozart

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BigPapa  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:35:09pm

Gocart started it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:36:21pm

re: #446 gocart mozart

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Malkin is going the Tia Tequila route. Just waiting for the Nazi salute next!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:37:39pm
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Weaselone  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:40:17pm

re: #477 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Then that’s what Biden should have said. It seems like Biden’s policy is independent of Biden himself.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:40:48pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:41:17pm

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Make that Putney Swope, not Melvin van Peebles, doing the Prep H ad.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:41:20pm

re: #477 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

As I suspected, the more juicy bit got the news. I support federal legalization but that’s not going to happen just like that and I would hope that Congress could pass that and perhaps that would make Joe reconsider. I didn’t like that he said Gateway drug though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:42:13pm

re: #480 Decatur Deb

Make that Putney Swope, not Melvin van Peebles, doing the Prep H ad.

Robert Downey, Sr. My Dad’s quoted Putney Swope with me before. Still need to see it.

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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:43:02pm
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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:47:46pm

re: #480 Decatur Deb

Make that Putney Swope, not Melvin van Peebles, doing the Prep H ad.

Putney Swope—one of my favorite movies of all time!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:51:41pm

re: #482 HappyWarrior

re: #484 BeachDem

Putney Swope (1969) - Trailer

The Prep H ad was real—part of Downey Sr’s experience.

Downey drew on his own personal experiences as a disgruntled ad executive when making Putney Swope; Downey made a Preparation H commercial where a Chinese woman says, “No matter what your ethnic affliction, use Preparation H and kiss your hemorrhoids goodbye!” As Koresky points out, that commercial was rejected in real life — but it is featured in No More Excuses.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:52:44pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:59:36pm
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BeachDem  Nov 18, 2019 • 5:59:58pm

re: #485 Decatur Deb

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Video

The Prep H ad was real—part of Downey Sr’s experience.

Been awhile since I’ve seen the movie—it was just so bold and stark! Had friends who named their dog Putney, but only a few of us got the connection.

I think spending most of my adult life in advertising, and my father having been in promotion and PR, I couldn’t get the appeal of Mad Men. Watched the first few episodes, then felt like “been there; done that; got the tee-shirt.”

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2019 • 6:03:54pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t think they do. They still have their ‘classic chicken sandwich’ (which the parm was a derivative of) but think the parm is gone. They were pretty good ‘drunk food’

Jack-in-the-Box super taco was my drunk food. Hot sauce on that greasy sucker was great at 2:30 am.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 18, 2019 • 6:41:59pm

re: #489 Eventual Carrion

Jack-in-the-Box super taco was my drunk food. Hot sauce on that greasy sucker was great at 2:30 am.

BK’s current offering of $1 Tacos are the illegitimate siblings of the Jack-in-the-Box tacos. They even retain the greased soaked through shells that somehow manage to maintain a level of rigidity

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2019 • 6:42:43pm

re: #343 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Has anyone made tuna steaks at home where they didn’t suck? What did you do? Mine always are ghastly.

I’ve never cooked a tuna steak, but I ate some great ones.

My friend mixed up the marinade the night before, took a thermos-ful out on the boat with him, cleaned and boned the tuna within minutes of catching it, put slabs into a Tupperware with the marinade… and called me from the dock to fire up the grill.

Those tuna steaks were EXCELLENT. They key is that they were less than 5 hours from swimming. Taste and texture were both superior to anything I’ve gotten at a restaurant. (the marinade was a mix of that dipping sauce Thai restaurants use for spring rolls, Mexican molé sauce, and fresh-squeezed orange juice).

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2019 • 6:56:24pm

re: #381 KGxvi

There were some complaints as well that they weren’t using vegan buns for the impossible burgers.

I keep meaning to try a beyond or impossible burger, but I think if I did it, I’d want to cook it myself.

My youngest tried one. He didn’t think it was good at all. But he is not a vegan or vegetarian, so that could cloud things in his perception of the taste.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2019 • 7:00:02pm

re: #393 gocart mozart

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Donnie Two Scoops claimed it was the “biggest crowed ever!”. And everyone cried.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2019 • 7:02:13pm

re: #402 Dread Pirate

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But we let the foreign operative go after a slap on the hand.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2019 • 7:30:43pm

re: #429 Belafon

All they claimed was that the meat was made from plants. They never called the burger a vegetarian burger.

On a cow the meat is made with plants too.

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uriel  Nov 18, 2019 • 7:59:02pm

re: #478 Weaselone

It seems like Biden’s policy is independent of Biden himself.

Whether or not I completely agree with it, that’s damn funny.

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uriel  Nov 18, 2019 • 11:17:29pm

re: #483 gocart mozart


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