Tonight’s cover image from the Lizard Collection: issue #59 of DC’s Green Lantern, published in March 1968. This issue is considered a “key” book, because it featured the first appearance of the “alternate” Green Lantern, Guy Gardner. The Lizard Collection’s copy is in near mint condition, with white pages, bright colors, sharp corners and only a few small spine stresses.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:35:54pm |
Cool art. I'm looking forward to the Green Lantern movie.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:36:42pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:36:55pm |
My Beloved Miss S. is a Green LAntern junkie and she will argue the merits of Hal Jordan with fervor.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:38:41pm |
Charles the comics look better than ever. Not only is the glare gone but the contrast is really there. The filter is helping big time.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:38:54pm |
Better keep your ring charged up, Mr. Green Lantern Guy.
Get some green LED's and you will have your powers longer!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:39:58pm |
Awesome.
My new toy just left Fort Worth, Texas.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:41:15pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:41:35pm |
re: #6 Varek Raith
Awesome.
My new toy just left Fort Worth, Texas.
Hans Solo action figure with light saber?
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:42:38pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:43:42pm |
re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hans Solo action figure with light saber?
/
OMG.
IT'S "HAN", NOT "HANS"!
SECOND, HE DIDN'T HAVE A LIGHTSABER!
/nerd raaagggeee.
:)
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:44:12pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:44:42pm |
re: #9 Varek Raith
A new computer to celebrate my return to employment.
Though, to be honest, I would've bought it regardless. Seeing as I was saving for a new pc for months...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:45:10pm |
re: #10 Varek Raith
OMG.
IT'S "HAN", NOT "HANS"!
SECOND, HE DIDN'T HAVE A LIGHTSABER!
/nerd raaagggeee.
:)
Hans. He never learned light saber, so now he plays soccer for the Dutch team.
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:45:38pm |
re: #11 PT Barnum
Dude You're gettin' a Dell?
Yeah.
I don't want to go through the hassle of building one, like my last PC.
That, and it was a good deal.
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:47:17pm |
re: #14 Varek Raith
Yeah.
I don't want to go through the hassle of building one, like my last PC.
That, and it was a good deal.
Nuttin' wrong with that...I don't know that I wouldn't do that the next time, except I really enjoy the process and customizing the build to meet what I want...although instead of buying a new PC next time, I may just break down and buy an Xbox instead
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:48:09pm |
Computers are just a fad. Kinda like the internet.
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:49:11pm |
re: #14 Varek Raith
Yeah.
I don't want to go through the hassle of building one, like my last PC.
That, and it was a good deal.
I got my new toy today too, though it wasn't the best time to do it. My wife's Blackberry died, and wouldn't charge. We were at about the last place we could still go to a dealer for our carrier before heading further west, and they just happened to have the new Android phone. So I upgraded. There goes my toy money for a couple of months at least.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:49:25pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
Nuttin' wrong with that...I don't know that I wouldn't do that the next time, except I really enjoy the process and customizing the build to meet what I want...although instead of buying a new PC next time, I may just break down and buy an Xbox instead
It got to the point where the customizations just weren't worth the trouble.
Though, I will add more fans. I also have a powerful powersupply that'll fit Dell's proprietary connections.
So, it won't be all stock.
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:50:05pm |
re: #18 PT Barnum
I got my new toy today too, though it wasn't the best time to do it. My wife's Blackberry died, and wouldn't charge. We were at about the last place we could still go to a dealer for our carrier before heading further west, and they just happened to have the new Android phone. So I upgraded. There goes my toy money for a couple of months at least.
before anybody starts accusing me of being cruel, I gave my wife my old phone since she likes the Blackberry. I'm getting used to the Android OS. Pretty cool stuff.
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cliffster Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:50:52pm |
It's raining again. Good lord, it's rained more this summer than it does in most years. I've never seen it this green in Texas. Kinda creepy. What's all this.. life.. in the middle of summer??
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:51:14pm |
re: #19 Varek Raith
It got to the point where the customizations just weren't worth the trouble.
Though, I will add more fans. I also have a powerful powersupply that'll fit Dell's proprietary connections.
So, it won't be all stock.
I like to game so I'm seriously thinking about building a whole new machine with an SLI or crossfire motherboard and maxing out on memory and hard drive.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:51:41pm |
re: #21 cliffster
It's raining again. Good lord, it's rained more this summer than it does in most years. I've never seen it this green in Texas. Kinda creepy. What's all this.. life.. in the middle of summer??
Send it to Virginia!
My backyard looks like a desert.
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:51:57pm |
re: #21 cliffster
It's raining again. Good lord, it's rained more this summer than it does in most years. I've never seen it this green in Texas. Kinda creepy. What's all this.. life.. in the middle of summer??
Well they say the only two sure things in life are death and Texas
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:52:15pm |
re: #21 cliffster
It's raining again. Good lord, it's rained more this summer than it does in most years. I've never seen it this green in Texas. Kinda creepy. What's all this.. life.. in the middle of summer??
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:52:36pm |
re: #23 Varek Raith
Send it to Virginia!
My backyard looks like a desert.
My backyard has so many landmines in it it looks like the DMZ (2 dogs will do that)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:52:46pm |
re: #15 Ojoe
Solo liked blasters.
He was big fan of heavy blasters.
Movie Fact: The gun used as Han Solo's blaster was a Mauser C96 "Broomhandle" with some cosmetic alterations.
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cliffster Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:53:18pm |
re: #24 PT Barnum
Well they say the only two sure things in life are death and Texas
That's sweet. I'm gonna use that
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:54:09pm |
re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Round windows are a fad."
— some guy on a homeowner's design committee.
— Yes, a fad since about A.D. 1200, I thought.
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:54:12pm |
re: #28 cliffster
That's sweet. I'm gonna use that
you forgot the sarc tag as that is so old that John McCain wasn't even born when it was first told.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:54:33pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:55:11pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:55:27pm |
re: #5 Ojoe
D_L and I were just all through those mountains in the last 2 days. Highway 138 from the 15 to Crestline, Arrowhead, Big Bear. Mt Wilson was off the list given the California 2 closure. Beautiful pine forest. A secret to share-What would be a $200 ski cabin with fireplace in December is $49 mid week in peak vacation time. Fantastic.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:56:13pm |
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cliffster Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:57:01pm |
re: #31 freetoken
Yeah, that's about right. I've got in-laws in the OKC area, too. THOSE people are getting some crazy precipitation. Absolutely insane hailstorms, then flood after flood after flood. Friend up there had a house that was under 3 feet of water. Crazy.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:57:17pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:57:39pm |
re: #32 Ojoe
Cool trivia, very cool.
I will have to image google that.
Mauser c96
Image: mauser%20c96%20flatside%20cal%2030-10.jpg
Solo's DL-44 blaster
Image: Dl-44.jpg
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:59:14pm |
re: #34 Ojoe
"If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell."
—W.T. Sherman.
That's not very nice on Mr. Sherman's part. I suspect he never really got a good chance to look around the state, meet some people, make some friends. Things are slower and more laid back in Texas, he should have taken his time, settled down a bit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:59:52pm |
Molly Ivins quote. (Texan)
I am not anti-gun. I'm pro-knife. Consider the merits of the knife. In the first place, you have to catch up with someone in order to stab him. A general substitution of knives for guns would promote physical fitness. We'd turn into a whole nation of great runners. Plus, knives don't ricochet. And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives.
Heh.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:00:02pm |
re: #36 Ojoe
Fire that breeds the new forest.
It's just those pesky cabins that get in the way. //
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cliffster Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:00:51pm |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
That's not very nice on Mr. Sherman's part. I suspect he never really got a good chance to look around the state, meet some people, make some friends. Things are slower and more laid back in Texas, he should have taken his time, settled down a bit.
Texans are pretty much used to people hatin' on us. It happens when you are better than everyone else.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:00:52pm |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
Sherman lived before air conditioning though.
I was in Texas quite a bit when my father-in-law died.
I liked the people a lot.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:01:40pm |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
Molly Ivins quote. (Texan)
I am not anti-gun. I'm pro-knife. Consider the merits of the knife. In the first place, you have to catch up with someone in order to stab him. A general substitution of knives for guns would promote physical fitness. We'd turn into a whole nation of great runners. Plus, knives don't ricochet. And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives.
Heh.
Finally.
Someone who understands why swords>guns.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:02:15pm |
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:03:14pm |
re: #5 Ojoe
Better keep your ring charged up, Mr. Green Lantern Guy.
Get some green LED's and you will have your powers longer!
And charge your lantern with power from a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:03:26pm |
re: #42 cliffster
Texans are pretty much used to people hatin' on us. It happens when you are better than everyone else.
Hating? Hating? Try living in Florida and someone tells you "I'm from the South." (Add Texas Louisiana, Bama, Georgia). Um, You know I am FURTHER South, right?
/
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:04:40pm |
re: #44 Varek Raith
Also, with more swords and fewer guns, chain mail would make a comeback.
Yes that's Cher.
BBL
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:05:03pm |
re: #44 Varek Raith
Finally.
Someone who understands why swords>guns.
Just because you you can deflect blaster bolts with your lightsaber...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:06:20pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
Just because you you can deflect blaster bolts with your lightsaber...
My Sith Lord character also carries a katana-esque sword.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:07:46pm |
re: #50 Varek Raith
My Sith Lord character also carries a katana-esque sword.
Someone posted this once. Fucking cool.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:08:13pm |
re: #50 Varek Raith
My Sith Lord character also carries a katana-esque sword.
[Link: starwars.wikia.com...]
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:09:07pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Cool art. I'm looking forward to the Green Lantern movie.
Holy Batman, Robin!
That Green Lantern cover just screams teh ghey.
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cliffster Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:09:08pm |
re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hating? Hating? Try living in Florida and someone tells you "I'm from the South." (Add Texas Louisiana, Bama, Georgia). Um, You know I am FURTHER South, right?
/
Costa Rica is further south than Florida, but I don't think that anyone would say that Costa Ricans are "from the south".
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:09:20pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:09:57pm |
re: #54 cliffster
Costa Rica is further south than Florida, but I don't think that anyone would say that Costa Ricans are "from the south".
Splitting Hairs!!
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:10:34pm |
Was this ever covered in one of the LGF pages?
Tanning Salon Tax Is Racist, Says Doc Thompson, Fill-In Host For Glenn Beck
THOMPSON: For years I've suggested that racism was in decline and yeah, there are some, you know, incidents that still happen with regards to racism, but most of the claims I've said for years, well, they're not really real. But I realize now that I was wrong. For I now too feel the pain of racism. Racism has been dropped at my front door and the front door of all lighter-skinned Americans. The health care bill the president just singed into law includes a 10 percent tax on all indoor tanning sessions starting July 1st, and I say, who uses tanning? Is it dark-skinned people? I don't think so. I would guess that most tanning sessions are from light-skinned Americans. Why would the President of the United States of America -- a man who says he understands racism, a man who has been confronted with racism -- why would he sign such a racist law? Why would he agree to do that? Well now I feel the pain of racism.
Yep, he said that.
Cwazy.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:10:56pm |
re: #44 Varek Raith
Finally.
Someone who understands why swords>guns.
It doesn't end here. Applying transitivity, pens>guns. The second amendment should have been about the right to keep and bear quills.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:11:35pm |
re: #57 Gus 802
Gus, why do you want to tax pale red heads?
/
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:12:08pm |
re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar
Gus, why do you want to tax pale red heads?
/
Stop the Ginger Kids before they take over the world with their gingerness!
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:12:30pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:13:35pm |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
Molly Ivins quote. (Texan)
I am not anti-gun. I'm pro-knife. Consider the merits of the knife. In the first place, you have to catch up with someone in order to stab him. A general substitution of knives for guns would promote physical fitness. We'd turn into a whole nation of great runners. Plus, knives don't ricochet. And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives.
Heh.
I have been a sword aficionado in r/l for a very long time.
One day, I will treat myself to one of these:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
Oh, and I would take that or a Sheffield steel straight edge saber up against any katana any day.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:13:55pm |
re: #43 Ojoe
Sherman lived before air conditioning though.
I was in Texas quite a bit when my father-in-law died.
I liked the people a lot.
I was there 20 years, like just about all the people I met/knew... I like it better up here in Colorado, mainly because of the geography... a little more to look at geography wise than Texas.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:14:18pm |
Ice:
I owe you an apology. My comments the other night were mean, nasty, and hateful. I am truly embarrassed. Not something I am proud of at all. I am truly sorry.
Jimmah:
I wish to apologize to you as well. I have always respected the way you defend your wife, and will continue to do so. I'm sorry for any discomfort I have brought to you and your family.
Charles:
My apologies to you also. LGF is a fine community blog with many good people here. I did not represent well the other night.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:16:32pm |
re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote
I remember reading a post by you about you and a friend getting a backstage visit at a museum that had a collection of swords. Long ago (the post) . Somewhere in NYC.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:16:45pm |
re: #64 Racer X
Ice:
I owe you an apology. My comments the other night were mean, nasty, and hateful. I am truly embarrassed. Not something I am proud of at all. I am truly sorry.Jimmah:
I wish to apologize to you as well. I have always respected the way you defend your wife, and will continue to do so. I'm sorry for any discomfort I have brought to you and your family.Charles:
My apologies to you also. LGF is a fine community blog with many good people here. I did not represent well the other night.
Tips hat to RacerX, for apologizing as a man should.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:17:24pm |
re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar
Splitting Hairs!!
The Earth is currently, IIRC, near the "North" of our galaxy...
So, we're all northerners!
How's that for splitting hairs?!?!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:18:12pm |
re: #67 Varek Raith
The Earth is currently, IIRC, near the "North" of our galaxy...
So, we're all northerners!
How's that for splitting hairs?!?!
LALALALALA!! Shut UP!!
/glad Space Jesus isn't here!!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:19:26pm |
re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar
LALALALALA!! Shut UP!!
/glad Space Jesus isn't here!!
Muhahaha!
*Wonders where our galactic position is in the Universe...*
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:20:20pm |
re: #69 Varek Raith
Muhahaha!
*Wonders where our galactic position is in the Universe...*
We'll be done in a billion years. Meet you at the gate?:)
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:21:42pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:22:54pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:23:20pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:23:26pm |
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:24:22pm |
re: #64 Racer X
Thank you.
That was probably very hard to do, and I really appreciate it.
As far as I'm concerned you and I can drop the whole issue and start over. We all say stuff in the heat of anger sometimes, and I'd like it if you and I can just completely forget this little episode.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:24:30pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:25:08pm |
We orbit the galaxy once every 250 million years or so.
Long "year", no?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:25:56pm |
re: #77 Varek Raith
We orbit the galaxy once every 250 million years or so.
Long "year", no?
Yes, but it saves on renewing tags for the car.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:26:44pm |
re: #75 iceweasel
Good (SoCal) evening Ice!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:27:59pm |
re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
None of those name were of planets. Gimme a break.
FRY: This is a great, as long as you don’t make me smell Uranus. Heh heh.
LEELA: I don’t get it.
PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: I’m sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all.
FRY: Oh. What’s it called now?
PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: Urectum.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:28:36pm |
re: #67 Varek Raith
The Earth is currently, IIRC, near the "North" of our galaxy...
So, we're all northerners!
How's that for splitting hairs?!?!
What is this "North" of which you speak?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:30:09pm |
re: #81 ausador
What is this "North" of which you speak?
Great. My car is parked on the other side of the mall.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:30:36pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:30:52pm |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
Great. My car is parked on the other side of the mall.
Hope you wore sneakers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:31:59pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:32:05pm |
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:33:12pm |
re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
None of those name were of planets. Gimme a break.
Millions of planets out there waiting to be settled. They will all have to be christened... Perhaps one day, Cannadian Club Akbar, there will be a planet Scrotum.
*looks at the night sky with dreamy eyes*
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:33:16pm |
re: #83 Rightwingconspirator
re: #81 ausador
The Orion arm. Our future archipelago of humanity.
We're in blue. Way at the bottom.
Boned, we are...
Image: GMapGalaxy.jpg
:)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:34:37pm |
re: #87 Nimed
Millions of planets out there waiting to be settled. They will all have to be christened... Perhaps one day, Cannadian Club Akbar, there will be a planet Scrotum.
*looks at the night sky with dreamy eyes*
But, I want planet Nipple.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:36:22pm |
It is a real bummer living way out here in "suburbia," you know that all the truly cool parties are happening "downtown" in the center of the galaxy...damnit!
/Damn Einstein and his "You cannot exceed light speed" crap. We need warp drive, how else are we going to ever get around this "Hood?"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:37:11pm |
re: #88 Varek Raith
We're in blue. Way at the bottom.
Boned, we are...
Image: GMapGalaxy.jpg
:)
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:37:50pm |
re: #92 Rightwingconspirator
Link?
[Link: www.ditl.org...]
Click on "Politics" then "Galactic" on the left.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:38:02pm |
re: #91 ausador
Now that would be like putting Columbus in a concorde.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:39:00pm |
re: #96 Rightwingconspirator
Now that would be like putting Columbus in a concorde.
I'm fine to drive... ya know..right about now...Can we stop at Taco Bell.
/
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:39:01pm |
re: #64 Racer X
Ice:
I owe you an apology. My comments the other night were mean, nasty, and hateful. I am truly embarrassed. Not something I am proud of at all. I am truly sorry.Jimmah:
I wish to apologize to you as well. I have always respected the way you defend your wife, and will continue to do so. I'm sorry for any discomfort I have brought to you and your family.Charles:
My apologies to you also. LGF is a fine community blog with many good people here. I did not represent well the other night.
Thanks Racer. That was a real apology with no bullshit, and I appreciate that.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:39:02pm |
re: #86 talon_262
re: #75 iceweasel
Glad y'all (along with Cato) are making up...Lizards tend to be good people and things like what happened the other night eventually fall by the wayside and get resolved.
Cato and I were always cool. We're friends off LGF. His apology was awesome of course but he and I were always fine and always will be. Said as much that night here, and he and I talked that night on the phone.
I'm glad he made that comment though because I don't want people running away with the notion that Cato is a misogynist (as the stalkers claim) because he most certainly is not, and I don't want people being angry with him (or thinking that I'm angry with him).
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:39:40pm |
Some more sword pron:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
another blade equal to a katana and one which sword geeks have holy wars over the match...
[Link: www.cowanauctions.com...]
a modern reproduction
[Link: www.coldsteel.com...]
A truly awesome weapon for both cutting and thrusting, the cavalry palache
[Link: www.armart.antiquanova.com...]
A truly beautiful example of modern science meeting sword manufacture at the close of the sword era:
[Link: www.swordsales.eu...]
The British 1912 is probably my favorite single hand weapon. The balance is very far back so point control is amazing. By that point metallurgy had scientifically caught up with and surpassed all but the finest first rank blades from the east. It is designed to thrust, but is still quite capable of cutting - though it will not easily hew limbs like a 1796 cavalry blade. However, if you were to only make it halfway through your opponent's neck or leg or arm, that is quite sufficient.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:40:24pm |
re: #79 Rightwingconspirator
Good (SoCal) evening Ice!
hey! say hi to DL-- LOVED your raccoon and night pics, btw!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:40:42pm |
re: #91 ausador
It is a real bummer living way out here in "suburbia," you know that all the truly cool parties are happening "downtown" in the center of the galaxy...damnit!
/Damn Einstein and his "You cannot exceed light speed" crap. We need warp drive, how else are we going to ever get around this "Hood?"
You never know. Maybe he was wrong. And suburbia has its advantages: to rents and home prices are lower and the risk of crime is less. But the longer commutes do stink at times.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:41:13pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
You never know. Maybe he was wrong. And suburbia has its advantages: to rents and home prices are lower and the risk of crime is less. But the longer commutes do stink at times.
And none of that awesome radiation at the Core.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:41:21pm |
re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember reading a post by you about you and a friend getting a backstage visit at a museum that had a collection of swords. Long ago (the post) . Somewhere in NYC.
Yes, with the masamune blade at the MET.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Holding one was magnificent.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:42:01pm |
re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, with the masamune blade at the MET.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Holding one was magnificent.
!!!
I HATE YOU!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:43:42pm |
I have been listening to this fucking radio station for 3 hours waiting for a song. At least now they're playing Dido.. Fuck!!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:44:19pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:44:46pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:46:47pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:48:04pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:49:00pm |
re: #101 iceweasel
Thanks so much. We had this little get away/photo drive all through the mountains. Like fishing-Yesterday was great. Today a near bust. D_L is getting good with an SLR.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:49:48pm |
re: #100 LudwigVanQuixote
Some more sword pron:
Again, I humbly present Morgan Valley Forge Katanas made from Swedish powdered tool steel:
Modern Tool Steel L-6. I make these blades for the martial arts enthusiast who wants performance and durability first and foremost. A thoroughly modern steel, it is given a proper Japanese sword size and shape for the correct feel, but there is where the similarities end. The heat treatment is strictly twentieth century, and provides a blade that has a body which is very springy at HRC 48-50 and a hard edge that is HRC 57-58. The result is a blade that cuts well, holds a good edge, and flexes instead of bending if the cutting stroke is not so good. great deal of energy to do so. The hamon is a reserved sort of notari line. Under any semblance of "normal use" these blades will never bend, break, take a set, or chip. If "tough" is what you value the most, this is the blade you want.
This is your break glass in case of zombie apocalypse sword.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:50:03pm |
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:50:14pm |
re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, with the masamune blade at the MET.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Holding one was magnificent.
I don't wanna, but it's just too damn hard to resist this one. So, without further ado:
That what she said. Hur hur.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:50:51pm |
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:52:35pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:53:47pm |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:54:28pm |
re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have been listening to this fucking radio station for 3 hours waiting for a song. At least now they're playing Dido.. Fuck!!
Uhh, If I really want to hear a song it takes me about a minute to find it and less than that to download it...
/just sayin... :p
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:55:47pm |
re: #120 ausador
Uhh, If I really want to hear a song it takes me about a minute to find it and less than that to download it...
/just sayin... :p
[Link: gprime.net...]
////
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:56:03pm |
re: #120 ausador
Uhh, If I really want to hear a song it takes me about a minute to find it and less than that to download it...
/just sayin... :p
I heard it was Usher. Bad intel, I think. Has a Hall and Oates "sample" for background. Can't remember the song.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:56:20pm |
Mehserle verdict riots are raging, 50 arrested, rocks and bottles thrown, sneaker store looted. Rage requires sneakers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:57:15pm |
re: #120 ausador
Was on 98.7 Smooth Jazz in TAMPA!!!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:58:11pm |
I would be remiss if I did not also mention the 1821/1896 saber
[Link: www.swordsales.eu...]
This is a heavier shorter blade than the 1912. This one will take off heads, but it is slower than the 1912. All swords always have trade offs.
A straight blade is great for thrusting, but cuts less well. A curved heavy blade chops though anything, but can not thrust worth a damn.
Two handed swords increase power at the expense of speed. (And unless it is a great sword, not much of a reach advantage)
That said, in terms of art... let me show you two of the most beautiful and bad ass swords I have ever seen:
This one was commissioned for a Jew who knew a lot about Kaballah.
[Link: www.powning.com...]
And this one is my favorite two hand ever:
For those who are interested, this is patterned after Northern and Central European blades of the 16th century that were designed to counter enemy armor by piecing but retain the ability to mow down peasants and parry spears.
[Link: www.powning.com...]
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:00:44pm |
Sephiroth's Masamune
Image: sephiroth-crisiscore.jpg
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:00:52pm |
re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote
I have a 44 ounce Louisville slugger. Might not kill them right away, but fun to watch. I also have an Axe handle. Won't hold up in a sword fight, but home protection, it works as long as needed.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:03:31pm |
re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar
I heard it was Usher. Bad intel, I think. Has a Hall and Oates "sample" for background. Can't remember the song.
If you remember any of the lyrics, even just a few of the words in the correct order you can do a lyrics search on google and find it, then you will have the song name and artist. Once you have the name/artist the rest is pretty easy...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:04:33pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:04:42pm |
re: #128 ausador
If you remember any of the lyrics, even just a few of the words in the correct order you can do a lyrics search on google and find it, then you will have the song name and artist. Once you have the name/artist the rest is pretty easy...
It went fast. Was a jazz song. Like I said, I got bad music intel.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:05:35pm |
re: #94 bagua
A good night to all.
In the words of the young son of a German couple who 'moved' to Brazil in 1945, and whom I encountered in Bahia in 1965, "Wars happening, man?"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:05pm |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
It went fast. Was a jazz song. Like I said, I got bad music intel.
How do I find a song that has a Hall and Oates sample in the back groud?
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:16pm |
Live view of the riot. Fire burning in the street, police are pushing the protesters into a smaller area and are making arrests.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:07:53pm |
Well that was interesting. My computer decided to die before my eyes as I watching a Blackadder episode a little bit ago. I tried restarting several times, but it would die off again within a few seconds of starting up. I decided to watch some TV and give my computer a rest. That seems to have worked, so far. I had to restart using a restore program. Thank goodness that seems to have worked. Never had that happen before. I guess my computer doesn't like Edmund Blackadder or Rowan.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:07:54pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:08:14pm |
re: #129 iceweasel
You boys are so wacky. :)
If you knew the Hebrew imagery, you would realize that the designer had a deeply poetic understanding of scripture. It kinda gives me goosebumps looking at it.
re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have one of these ;)
[Link: www.swordsales.eu...]
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:08:35pm |
re: #132 ryannon
In the words of the young son of a German couple who 'moved' to Brazil in 1945, and whom I encountered in Bahia in 1965, "Wars happening, man?"
It's not much of a war, and I have a lousy view.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:43pm |
re: #126 Varek Raith
Sephiroth's Masamune
Image: sephiroth-crisiscore.jpg
What a delightfully androgynous creature!
(Breathing heavily)
And that sword...why, that's such a long one....
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:54pm |
re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote
That's IT!! You are carving the turkey at Thanksgiving.
/Please don't miss!!
//BRB
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:21pm |
re: #126 Varek Raith
Sephiroth's Masamune
Image: sephiroth-crisiscore.jpg
Well that would certainly be interesting to hold...
You know that fascination with exceptionally huge swords in anime makes me think that some people are seriously overcompensating...
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:56pm |
re: #137 Varek Raith
Sigh.
I really wished we were past this...
Dumpsters being burned, jewelry store possibly looted, windows smashed, Foot Locker definitely looted and mashed up.
Plenty of graffiti, "Off The Pigs" is one example.
Why do they hate Foot Locker?
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:04pm |
Sears, a bank, a pawn shop. Several stores looted.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:08pm |
re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote
On the subject of LFTR Reactors, a ten-minute condensation of of a 1:30' presentation in 2009. I'll be bludgeoning the forum with this and similar links - particularly anytime the suicidal subject of conventional nuclear reactors are mentioned:
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:15pm |
re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote
Well that would certainly be interesting to hold...
You know that fascination with exceptionally huge swords in anime makes me think that some people are seriously overcompensating...
Hehe.
GUNBLADES!
Image: gunblade.jpg
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:16:18pm |
re: #121 Varek Raith
[Link: gprime.net...]
///
Like I always say;
Why pay the milkman when you can just mug the cow on her way to the milking barn?
/well, ok, I don't always say that, I just made it up, but the sentiment is fairly accurate anyway... :p
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:17:49pm |
re: #139 Bagua
It's not much of a war, and I have a lousy view.
What was the line from that song again....something about, "Not much of a girlfriend, but she's the only one I've got"....
Ah, good times.
Remember?
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:18:12pm |
re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote
Well that would certainly be interesting to hold...
You know that fascination with exceptionally huge swords in anime makes me think that some people are seriously overcompensating...
I think anime is a fairly issue rich environment all round...lol
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:18:48pm |
re: #146 ryannon
On the subject of LFTR Reactors, a ten-minute condensation of of a 1:30' presentation in 2009. I'll be bludgeoning the forum with this and similar links - particularly anytime the suicidal subject of conventional nuclear reactors are mentioned:
[Video]
You rock!
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:19:00pm |
re: #145 Bagua
Sears, a bank, a pawn shop. Several stores looted.
That's almost a koan.
No savings & loan?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:19:13pm |
re: #143 LudwigVanQuixote
Well that would certainly be interesting to hold...
You know that fascination with exceptionally huge swords in anime makes me think that some people are seriously overcompensating...
Of course, Sephiroth wasn't, exactly, "normal".
He could fly, among other things.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:21:30pm |
re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote
I have been a sword aficionado in r/l for a very long time.
One day, I will treat myself to one of these:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
Oh, and I would take that or a Sheffield steel straight edge saber up against any katana any day.
A little late & that's nice and all, butThis is a sword:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:21:58pm |
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:22:07pm |
Anxiety May Be at Root of Religious Extremism, Researchers Find
Anxiety and uncertainty can cause us to become more idealistic and more radical in our religious beliefs, according to new findings by York University researchers, published in this month's issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
In a series of studies, more than 600 participants were placed in anxiety-provoking or neutral situations and then asked to describe their personal goals and rate their degree of conviction for their religious ideals. This included asking participants whether they would give their lives for their faith or support a war in its defence.
Across all studies, anxious conditions caused participants to become more eagerly engaged in their ideals and extreme in their religious convictions. In one study, mulling over a personal dilemma caused a general surge toward more idealistic personal goals. In another, struggling with a confusing mathematical passage caused a spike in radical religious extremes. In yet another, reflecting on relationship uncertainties caused the same religious zeal reaction.
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:25:00pm |
re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar
Was on 98.7 Smooth Jazz in TAMPA!!!
Hmmm...they have a stream, I'll have to check it out, there are some times I like jazz.
[Link: www.streamingthe.net...]
Any idea what Hall & Oates song the sample was from, because I have found about 50 sample jazz covers by people no on has ever heard of, most of them based on H&O, Sara Smile...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:25:01pm |
re: #158 Jimmah
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:25:53pm |
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:26:08pm |
Morning
Sears,
a bank, a pawn shop.
Several stores looted.
(original poety, copyright: ryannon, 2010)
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:29:52pm |
A reporter named Amy was in this media van when the windshield was smashed.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:30:19pm |
re: #158 Jimmah
That report doesn't surprise me one bit. But then again, I've been a doubtful Christian for quite some time. Unwarranted certainties, whether of the religious type or the secular type, all betray an underlying fear that builds up a bulwark to buttress their inherent uncertainties. Fundamentalisms are always built on internal fear.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:30:30pm |
re: #162 ryannon
Morning
Sears,
a bank, a pawn shop.
Several stores looted.
(original poety, copyright: ryannon, 2010)
I've been infringed!
You can kiss your Facebook followers goodbye.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:31:58pm |
re: #165 Bagua
I've been infringed!
You can kiss your Facebook followers goodbye.
OH NOES!
HE'S ALSO A FB H4x0R!
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:33:11pm |
re: #165 Bagua
I've been infringed!
You can kiss your Facebook followers goodbye.
Strange, but my Twitter account just disappeared....
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:33:18pm |
re: #156 wlewisiii
A little late & that's nice and all, butThis is a sword:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
I give you massive credit for knowing/liking Albion blades.
That blade ultimately is very much based on the 1912 Patton saber.
Another one that is a beautiful bit of art - but for the love of G-d why can't they ever be left handed ( and I know all about cavalry formation tactics demanding everyone have their swords on the same side yadahh yaddahhh)?
[Link: www.swordsales.eu...]
As to Albion blades though, they are all wonderful. They are real swords as opposed to sword shaped objects. Their page is a history f western sword development.
Here are two more favs of mine:
Some swords are about art and status. These are war swords of a soldier, designed to efficiently make others dead.
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:33:50pm |
Pilgrimage (Romaria translated lyrics)
It's made of dream, of dust
The destiny of one person
Like me lost in thought
Riding horseback
It's made of noose and sheath's knot
The bitterness of this life
Served, interminable,
Under the sun
I'm a hillbilly from Pirapora
Our Lady of Aparecida
Shine upon the dark mine
And sustain my life's train
My father was a peon
My mother solitude
My siblings got lost in life
Searching for adventure
I got unmarried, I gambled
I invested, I gave up
If there's luck, I don't know, I've never seen it
They have told me, however
To come here to ask
In pilgrimage and prayer
Peace for the disputes
Since I don't know how to pray
I just want to show
My regard, my regard, my regard
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:34:11pm |
re: #168 ryannon
Strange, but my Twitter account just disappeared...
Ha, my distraction worked. You never saw it coming.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:36:49pm |
re: #170 Nimed
You mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!
///
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:38:13pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
The Rolls of all swords: Damascus Steel
And the technology, born 2,000 years ago in India:
[Link: www.wired.com...]
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:38:39pm |
re: #170 Nimed
By the way, that's a beautiful poem. Thanks for posting it.
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:38:43pm |
re: #64 Racer X
Ice:
I owe you an apology. My comments the other night were mean, nasty, and hateful. I am truly embarrassed. Not something I am proud of at all. I am truly sorry.Jimmah:
I wish to apologize to you as well. I have always respected the way you defend your wife, and will continue to do so. I'm sorry for any discomfort I have brought to you and your family.Charles:
My apologies to you also. LGF is a fine community blog with many good people here. I did not represent well the other night.
Don't know if you're still around Racer, but I should add that it's extremely sad that there are a couple of haters still here who are incapable of making anything like the apology that you have made and would instead prefer to sit around making the internet equivalent of armpit farts.
Which makes your apology all the more deserving of commendation.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:40:01pm |
re: #175 Jimmah
Where's Racer's apology? I saw Cato's earlier.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:42:59pm |
re: #173 ryannon
The Rolls of all swords: Damascus Steel
And the technology, born 2,000 years ago in India:
[Link: www.wired.com...]
Well, one should really not start the pattern weld/ Damascus steel/ Japanese folding/ Chinese quad metallic/ poly metallic alloy debate this late.
You do realize that is sort of the holy war amongst sword geeks right?
The answer is 1912 pattern British!
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:46:47pm |
re: #174 Irenicum
By the way, that's a beautiful poem. Thanks for posting it.
Thank you. I'm glad not all was lost in translation. The author of the poem is anonymous-- it was passed down by oral tradition. The singer is the divine Elis Regina.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:47:37pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
I give you massive credit for knowing/liking Albion blades.
That blade ultimately is very much based on the 1912 Patton saber.
That's part of why I like it. I did a bit of fencing in college (a long time ago & just enough to know I'm lousy) and loved the saber. Add my military experience as a tanker/cav scout and it's a natural... ;)
I do like Albion & someday I'd like to get a shorter middle period (1100 - 1300) blade [Link: www.albion-swords.com...] or [Link: www.albion-swords.com...] as a bit more "practical" as much as the word applies here :)
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:47:49pm |
re: #178 Jimmah
I like Racer, a lot. My respect for him (or her) is hereby raised. My estimation for someone is always elevated when they own up to their own fallibility. That shows a decency that makes this a better world.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:48:25pm |
re: #180 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, one should really not start the pattern weld/ Damascus steel/ Japanese folding/ Chinese quad metallic/ poly metallic alloy debate this late.
You do realize that is sort of the holy war amongst sword geeks right?
The answer is 1912 pattern British!
Hah! As if a Light Saber™ wouldn't just cut through any of them without any effort, puny swords made of actual material matter are just so 21st century, 22nd at best... :p
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:49:46pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
Another one that is a beautiful bit of art - but for the love of G-d why can't they ever be left handed ( and I know all about cavalry formation tactics demanding everyone have their swords on the same side yadahh yaddahhh)?[Link: www.swordsales.eu...]
Now that is a very beautiful weapon. Thank you for that link.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:49:50pm |
Bart verdict.
The police have shown impressive preparation and restraint. Their strategy, according to the spokesman, was to give the peaceful protest space, and only intervene if there was violence. When the peaceful protesters started to riot, they moved in quickly and made scares of arrests
.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:49:56pm |
re: #181 Nimed
As with any inspirational writing, I read it out loud. I didn't watch the video. Poetry is always to be recited. It spoke to me.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:50:20pm |
re: #182 wlewisiii
That's part of why I like it. I did a bit of fencing in college (a long time ago & just enough to know I'm lousy) and loved the saber. Add my military experience as a tanker/cav scout and it's a natural... ;)
I do like Albion & someday I'd like to get a shorter middle period (1100 - 1300) blade [Link: www.albion-swords.com...] or [Link: www.albion-swords.com...] as a bit more "practical" as much as the word applies here :)
I did Foil and Saber. I was a state champ and I have a room full of trophies. I've also done kendo and studied a little bit of the Chinese styles with a jian.
When in doubt, stop thrust ;)
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:53:33pm |
re: #186 Bagua
Bart verdict.
The police have shown impressive preparation and restraint. Their strategy, according to the spokesman, was to give the peaceful protest space, and only intervene if there was violence. When the peaceful protesters started to riot, they moved in quickly and made scares of arrests
.
Police:BOO!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:54:59pm |
re: #185 wlewisiii
Now that is a very beautiful weapon. Thank you for that link.
As far as "practical" is concerned, it is very hard to beat early 19th century light cavalry blades.
Heavy cavalry is designed to ride down infantry. Light cavalry is designed to fence with other cavalry.
Personally, if you want a weapon that could cut down basically anyone who was not wearing armor, the answer is still 1912 British :)
As to the medieval blades, they do however have a great allure. They are certainly very effective - which is why people used them with few variations for several centuries.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:57:14pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:00:12pm |
re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, the 1912/1913 swords are a last sweet spot. Do you know of anyone making a decent one in any of the light cav patterns? All the ones I've found have been less than sparkling quality...
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:02:06pm |
re: #187 Irenicum
As with any inspirational writing, I read it out loud. I didn't watch the video. Poetry is always to be recited. It spoke to me.
re: #191 Bagua
The police used smoke instead of tear gas, to use minimal force.
Good. I haven't yet checked the backstory, but it sounds like an interesting tactic to reduce crowd hysteria.
Notwithstanding the fact that in those situatons and in the short term, nothing works as well as a clean shot to the head.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:03:16pm |
re: #193 ryannon
Whoops. I was in the midst of responding to Irenicum's post with this:
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:06:41pm |
re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote
So I've skimmed your links of swords and now I want Joseph's Sword. I wonder if he minds.
Hey ryannon, shouldn't you be linking rapiers?
/
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:06:44pm |
re: #194 ryannon
The protesters were dangerously provocative, lighting off M type fireworks that could have been mistaken for gun shots. The police were not fooled and there are no reports of deadly force being used.
They are marching and chanting the by now familiar. "Whose streets, our streets."
I'm capturing some video of the group's viewing pleasure.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:07:46pm |
re: #183 Irenicum
I like Racer, a lot. My respect for him (or her) is hereby raised. My estimation for someone is always elevated when they own up to their own fallibility. That shows a decency that makes this a better world.
It was extremely nice, and doubtless difficult, for Racer to own up to having called me a whore and for his other comments.
IMO those comments aren't representative of this site, or of Racer himself.
Kudos to him for being man enough to admit it and apologise. As far as I'm concerned he and I are fine.
(I could not care less if he likes me or if anyone does who doesn't know me, but it's bad form to slag other posters for purely personal reasons and create an environment that drives off normal people).
Good on racer, and I'd like it if we don't discuss him further.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:08:26pm |
Ha! I see a guy doing a sort of rap, "What the fuck is going on." A couple meters in front of an advancing line of riot police. His buddy filming just in front of him.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:09:02pm |
re: #194 ryannon
Ha. I was wondering about that somewhat non-sequitur reply. I figured a double post occurred.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:09:17pm |
re: #195 Nimed
So I've skimmed your links of swords and now I want Joseph's Sword. I wonder if he minds.
Hey ryannon, shouldn't you be linking rapiers?
/
I prefer to cross swords now and then, and in as friendly a fashion as possible.
No sabre scars on my face.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:10:11pm |
I'm curious. What's changed since January '09 to help prevent innocent people from being shot by police who can't remember which side the taser is on?
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:10:41pm |
re: #198 Bagua
Ha! I see a guy doing a sort of rap, "What the fuck is going on." A couple meters in front of an advancing line of riot police. His buddy filming just in front of him.
Where are you getting the live feed?
Got your own helicopter?
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:12:23pm |
re: #201 JasonA
I'm curious. What's changed since January '09 to help prevent innocent people from being shot by police who can't remember which side the taser is on?
The threat of being charged with a misdemeanor and accidental manslaughter.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:13:03pm |
re: #194 ryannon
I can't understand a word she's saying, but it's extremely beautiful.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:13:30pm |
Here is the Live feed. I posted it above.
I'll be posting a video on the Bagua Page once I'm processed it.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:14:33pm |
re: #203 Irenicum
Well put and nicely said.
Cheers.
As far as I'm concerned racer did the right thing and was brave to do so. I appreciated it and think he should be given a pass and we should drop it.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:14:55pm |
re: #204 ryannon
The threat of being charged with a misdemeanor and accidental manslaughter.
He was charged with various counts of felony murder, convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:16:14pm |
re: #204 ryannon
The threat of being charged with a misdemeanor and accidental manslaughter.
A deterrent doesn't really help in quick decision moments. I was hoping for something a little more functional.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:17:46pm |
re: #200 ryannon
I prefer to cross swords now and then, and in as friendly a fashion as possible.
No sabre scars on my face.
Huh, ok. I'll link one rapier, then:
Bone Handled Swept Hilt Rapier
Swept Hilt Rapiers trace their origins to early 17th century Europe, where swordplay with the Rapier was considered an essential part of a gentleman's education and was often used in resolving gentlemanly disagreements. Blades typically originated in Toledo or Solingen and would be hilted by regional smiths, resulting in many hilt styles.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:19:02pm |
re: #209 JasonA
A deterrent doesn't really help in quick decision moments. I was hoping for something a little more functional.
It's a good question. I'm also curious what sort of training was done by that department and in the wider law enforcement community. In a previous life I had considerable experience with that.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:19:17pm |
Ya see. This is the love I'm talkin' about people! Being passionate and yet owning up to our own imperfections. Thanks Ice, thanks Racer, thanks Cato, and thank you key others, for reminding me of why I love this place.
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:20:54pm |
Ok, the seventh seal has now been opened:
Snoop Dogg pursues Coronation Street role
US hip hop star Snoop Dogg has revealed he is a fan of Coronation Street and wants a cameo part in the show.
Snoop told fans during a visit to Manchester, ahead a concert at the city's Apollo, that he had asked his agent to negotiate him a role.
Snoop, who has followed the soap for 11 years, believed that Granada TV producers had responded with interest.
Full story:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Coronation Street :
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:21:50pm |
re: #211 Bagua
It's a good question. I'm also curious what sort of training was done by that department and in the wider law enforcement community. In a previous life I had considerable experience with that.
Did you? Since this first happened I've wondered, is it really standard to tase people who are face down on the ground? I'm not taking an "anti-cop" stance here at all, just asking the question sincerely.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:22:30pm |
And most of all, thank you Charles for respecting that we're an unruly group that needs an occasional smack upside the head. And yet knowing that being unruly is part of being a Lizard.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:23:12pm |
re: #197 iceweasel
It was extremely nice, and doubtless difficult, for Racer to own up to having called me a whore and for his other comments.
IMO those comments aren't representative of this site, or of Racer himself.
Kudos to him for being man enough to admit it and apologise. As far as I'm concerned he and I are fine.
(I could not care less if he likes me or if anyone does who doesn't know me, but it's bad form to slag other posters for purely personal reasons and create an environment that drives off normal people).Good on racer, and I'd like it if we don't discuss him further.
Since we're on the subject - and since I feel a palpable tension in my solar plexis every time I see the word "haters" mentioned in this context, I'd like to make two things clear:
1. Although I have had and will continue to have my ups and downs with Ice, I was not involved in this name-calling.
2. It would never occur to me to use the word 'whore' as an insult to a woman. I have had several as friends in my life, and I have great respect for both the ethical choices they made and even more for their intelligence and integrity. .
I hope that all concerned will be able to wrap their minds around these two simple facts.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:24:18pm |
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:24:44pm |
re: #205 Irenicum
I can't understand a word she's saying, but it's extremely beautiful.
It's translated into English and appears as subtitles, amigo. Look at it again.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:25:39pm |
re: #214 JasonA
Did you? Since this first happened I've wondered, is it really standard to tase people who are face down on the ground?
The cops tase people on the ground who have a broken back and can't get up.
Teen With Broken Back Tasered 19 Times for Not Standing Up When Ordered
There's a lot of taser abuse by cops going on. RogueOne has a whole file on it and other police abuses.
So do I, but I usually let Rogue handle the issue. He's excellent at it.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:27:56pm |
re: #216 ryannon
uh-huh. I wonder why you're worried someone might think you're a hater?
Newsflash: we can all see what you downding and what you upding.
I think it's best for you to just steer clear of me, okay? Thanks. Appreciate it.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:28:35pm |
re: #215 Irenicum
And most of all, thank you Charles for respecting that we're an unruly group that needs an occasional smack upside the head. And yet knowing that being unruly is part of being a Lizard.
The timeouts sure are helping a lot.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:29:55pm |
re: #208 Bagua
He was charged with various counts of felony murder, convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter.
Are we talking about the BART officer who shot and killed a handcuffed young man who was already lying face down on the station floor?
Thank you for something that seems more credible. There was a post here a day or two ago to the effect that the conviction was for accidental Involuntary Manslaughter and considered a misdemeanor. This may be another case of forum intox and inaccuracies, though.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:30:55pm |
re: #222 JasonA
wtf...
rogueone will be here in the AM i bet-- you can also go to digby's blog, hullaballoo, and find TONS of stories on police misuse of tasers. It's horrifying.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:31:11pm |
re: #214 JasonA
Did you? Since this first happened I've wondered, is it really standard to tase people who are face down on the ground? I'm not taking an "anti-cop" stance here at all, just asking the question sincerely.
I haven't been involved since they introduced tasers, I don't fully understand their use.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:31:44pm |
re: #210 Nimed
Lovely. And I'm not even a sword buff. But the aesthetics of fine weapons has always impressed me.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:32:06pm |
re: #224 iceweasel
Yeah, I've seen enough to be certain in my opinion that stricter regulations are needed for these things. I don't need to be convinced of that. But a kid with a broken back...?
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:34:02pm |
Did Charles have to stick someone in the corner again since Steve last night?
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:34:58pm |
re: #223 ryannon
Are we talking about the BART officer who shot and killed a handcuffed young man who was already lying face down on the station floor?
Thank you for something that seems more credible. There was a post here a day or two ago to the effect that the conviction was for
accidentalInvoluntary Manslaughter and considered a misdemeanor. This may be another case of forum intox and inaccuracies, though.
Yes. I'm not familiar with California law. But he was also charged with more serious charges, this was the most minor of about 3 as I recall.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:36:15pm |
I looked it up, it is not a felony.
California Penal Code 192 defines "manslaughter" as the unlawful killing of another person without malice.1 "Involuntary Manslaughter," which is the least serious variant of manslaughter, gets charged when the killing occurs:
1. in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, OR
2. by way of a lawful though dangerous act, that is done in an unlawful manner or without due caution or circumspection.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:36:52pm |
Noob question: how do timeouts work? Are you unable to log in for a certain period of time?
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:37:05pm |
re: #229 JasonA
A couple people are in the pokie today. Just check last night's thread for the bloody details.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:37:16pm |
re: #227 JasonA
Yeah, I've seen enough to be certain in my opinion that stricter regulations are needed for these things. I don't need to be convinced of that. But a kid with a broken back...?
He fell off an overpass, and when he wouldn't get up they tased him and kept tasing him. 19 times.
Explain to me how a kid with a broken back, who can't move his lower body at all, presented such a imminent threat that he needed to be tased-- for lying on the ground.
And then 'needed to be' tased 18 more times.
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:37:31pm |
re: #220 iceweasel
uh-huh. I wonder why you're worried someone might think you're a hater?
Newsflash: we can all see what you downding and what you upding.
I think it's best for you to just steer clear of me, okay? Thanks. Appreciate it.
Ditto for me.
He also dismissed your objection to being called a whore as 'shit' he 'didn't give a fuck about'. Lovely huh?
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:38:00pm |
Not quite as good as the one I can't link cause it got flagged for "adult content"...puritans on youtube, who'd hav thunk it?
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:38:24pm |
re: #232 Nimed
A time out is a 24 hr time out. A block is indeterminate, possibly leading to a ban.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:38:45pm |
re: #226 ryannon
Lovely. And I'm not even a sword buff. But the aesthetics of fine weapons has always impressed me.
:) Same here.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:38:51pm |
re: #220 iceweasel
uh-huh. I wonder why you're worried someone might think you're a hater?
Newsflash: we can all see what you downding and what you upding.
I think it's best for you to just steer clear of me, okay? Thanks. Appreciate it.
I'm not worried about it. What disgusts me is being sullied with those sorts of mindless accusations.
It's clear that I'll never be buying into your group-think, and apparently that makes me some sort of hater for you - even if it's by the proxy of up-dings that displease you.
I think you need to step back and look at your own logical processes, but it's apparent that would be too much to expect under the circumstances.
Yes, steering clear of you sounds like a marvelous idea. thank you so much for suggesting it.
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:39:37pm |
re: #234 iceweasel
He fell off an overpass, and when he wouldn't get up they tased him and kept tasing him. 19 times.
Explain to me how a kid with a broken back, who can't move his lower body at all, presented such a imminent threat that he needed to be tased-- for lying on the ground.
And then 'needed to be' tased 18 more times.
Wow - I take it the police report had him 'twitching in a threatening manner'?
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:39:59pm |
re: #231 Bagua
It's still a felony.
[Link: www.shouselaw.com...]
California Penal Code 192 (b) PC involuntary manslaughter is a felony. A conviction subjects you to7
formal probation,
a two, three, or four-year California State Prison sentence,
a maximum $10,000 fine, and
possible professional repercussions (if you hold a professional license).In addition, California involuntary manslaughter law also addresses civil wrongs. If, for example, you are found liable for unlawfully causing another’s death in a civil suit (in a medical malpractice case, for example), you could face substantial additional fines.
Class E, I think.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:40:45pm |
re: #232 Nimed
Noob question: how do timeouts work? Are you unable to log in for a certain period of time?
24 hours locked out of site. Two timeouts is the max. You get banned after getting two.
Some people (generally trolls, not regular posters) get banned on one post when it's sufficiently horrible.
The timeout mechanism was established last summer, and the point of it was (i believe) to give regular posters a cooling off period if we get involved in fights, have a bad day, or are otherwise acting like an infant throwing a tantrum.
I think it's pretty smart and extremely useful.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:41:55pm |
re: #243 iceweasel
24 hours locked out of site. Two timeouts is the max. You get banned after getting two.
..i meant, after two timeouts and then offending again. It's sort of a warning mechanism.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:43:15pm |
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:43:18pm |
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:43:30pm |
re: #239 ryannon
I'm not worried about it. What disgusts me is being sullied with those sorts of mindless accusations.
You mean like being called a whore, a psychopath and a sociopath? And having such comments updinged by the likes of you? Nice try.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:43:49pm |
re: #247 ryannon
You know, I think I'd rather pass on that one.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:43:56pm |
re: #239 ryannon
I'm not worried about it. What disgusts me is being sullied with those sorts of mindless accusations..
Thanks for confirming that you're a hater who has an issue with me, and who WAS updinging and making 'subtle' comments in support of those who called me a whore. :)
You're not very good at the internets, are you?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:44:49pm |
re: #192 wlewisiii
Yes, the 1912/1913 swords are a last sweet spot. Do you know of anyone making a decent one in any of the light cav patterns? All the ones I've found have been less than sparkling quality...
There are enough of them about that you can get an original in good to very good condition for $300-500
Cold Steel does a reasonable version of the American military saber which is very similar. The m1908
[Link: www.coldsteel.com...]
also
[Link: www.coldsteel.com...]
of course you can also find the American 1902 and 1912
[Link: arms2armor.com...]
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:44:50pm |
Stupid BART cop. There was no reason for him to pull out his weapon.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:45:20pm |
re: #229 JasonA
Did Charles have to stick someone in the corner again since Steve last night?
when was that?
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:45:24pm |
re: #246 Bagua
Weird. The text I pasted is from the identical website:
You're just misreading it a little.
in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, OR
That means that it's involuntary manslaughter if it's during a non-felonious criminal act-- like, say, trespassing-- instead of a felonious act, like robbery or rape, which would make it first or (I think) second degree murder.
Look under the "Penalties" section there on that same page, you'll see it classified as a penalty.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:45:27pm |
re: #252 Gus 802
Stupid BART cop. There was no reason for him to pull out his weapon.
The videos are chilling, to say the least.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:46:03pm |
re: #248 Jimmah
You mean like being called a whore, a psychopath and a sociopath? And having such comments updinged by the likes of you? Nice try.
Show me where. Show me the links, O Stasi Archiver of Anti-Social Updinging. I up-ding people whom I like and who I feel are being attacked.
I think even you should be able to understand that, no?
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:46:06pm |
re: #245 ryannon
Geezus, not this shit again....here's a tip for anyone to take away:
Don't be an asshole and people won't treat you like one.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:46:08pm |
re: #253 LudwigVanQuixote
when was that?
We were talking about race and how Steve finds it unfair that white people don't get to use certain words. Need I say more?
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:47:08pm |
Test...
/why the fuck would anyone flag that as "Inappropriate content", it boggles the mind...
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:47:11pm |
re: #250 iceweasel
Thanks for confirming that you're a hater who has an issue with me, and who WAS updinging and making 'subtle' comments in support of those who called me a whore. :)
You're not very good at the internets, are you?
No, I just your everyday garden-variety Internet sociopath. As soon as I arrive, everything turns to shit.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:47:23pm |
re: #255 JasonA
The videos are chilling, to say the least.
Yeah. You can see the cop is a bit shocked as he puts both hands to his face as if saying "what have I done" and then puts both hands on his knees and bends over. Just saw 4 videos from the LA Times.
| 263 |
Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:48:10pm |
Well, it looks like the hate fest is gonna get its rocks off again. And with that I bid y'all a good night. By the way, I like y'all. But I must say I'm disgusted at the behavior on all sides. As always. See ya on the other side. Either I see baiting or those who just love to respond to baiting. Can't we just let this behavior abate?
| 264 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:48:26pm |
re: #245 ryannon
I didn't and still don't give a fuck about your ongoing psychodramas on this forum, O Disembodied Voice of Justice, Lucidity and Wisdom.
Yeah, because objecting strongly to your wife being called those names is self-righteous etc, right?
You know, your rhetoric about LGF (liberal groupthink!) and about iceweasel (she's evul!) is remarkably similar to that found on the stalker blog. Maybe you should just piss off and find yourself a new home.
| 265 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:48:30pm |
re: #261 Gus 802
Yeah. You can see the cop is a bit shocked as he puts both hands to his face as if saying "what have I done" and then puts both hands on his knees and bends over. Just saw 4 videos from the LA Times.
I saw it when it first happened. I still have trouble understanding why this story didn't get more coverage than it did.
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:48:36pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
That means that it's involuntary manslaughter if it's during a non-felonious criminal act-- like, say, trespassing-- instead of a felonious act, like robbery or rape, which would make it first or (I think) second degree murder.
Look under the "Penalties" section there on that same page, you'll see it classified as a penalty.
Oh I see, thanks.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:48:54pm |
re: #260 ryannon
No, I just your everyday garden-variety Internet sociopath. As soon as I arrive, everything turns to shit.
Knock it off Ryannon. I've been watching and you're clearly trying to stir things up. You've actually succeeded.
| 268 |
ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:49:06pm |
re: #262 iceweasel
That sure seems like the comment of a very rational, very objective, not-at-all-a-hater kinda guy./
Perhaps it's time for you to LOG THE FUCK OFF before you say more stupid shit?
Or you could go to an old thread and upding people calling me names, and downding people defending me. I know that's pretty popular with impotent emasculated fucks. :)
Beautiful, just beautiful.
When do you actually start foaming at the mouth?
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:49:26pm |
re: #260 ryannon
No, I just your everyday garden-variety Internet sociopath. As soon as I arrive, everything turns to shit.
Ah, now you're quoting what the stalker blog says about me.
Brilliant work, ryannon. Way to prove you're not a hater!
*golf clap*
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:50:16pm |
re: #260 ryannon
You know, there's an old saying from where I'm from:
Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.
/jackass
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:50:16pm |
re: #258 JasonA
We were talking about race and how Steve finds it unfair that white people don't get to use certain words. Need I say more?
Hashem blessed me by not having me on when that happened.
Geeze.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:50:17pm |
re: #264 Jimmah
Yeah, because objecting strongly to your wife being called those names is self-righteous etc, right?
You know, your rhetoric about LGF (liberal groupthink!) and about iceweasel (she's evul!) is remarkably similar to that found on the stalker blog. Maybe you should just piss off and find yourself a new home.
I seem to detect an edge of anger.
| 273 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:50:37pm |
re: #263 Irenicum
Well, it looks like the hate fest is gonna get its rocks off again. And with that I bid y'all a good night. By the way, I like y'all. But I must say I'm disgusted at the behavior on all sides. As always. See ya on the other side. Either I see baiting or those who just love to respond to baiting. Can't we just let this behavior abate?
All sides? So you are disgusted by me and ice refusing to put up with this sort of crap? You need a new moral compass in a hurry.
And yeah - for that, I'm disgusted with you right now as well.
| 274 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:50:41pm |
re: #268 ryannon
What the fuck, dude, haven't we had enough of this shit go down already?
What are you gaining?
Here, watch this instead. Fucking hilarious.
| 275 |
Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:51:41pm |
re: #265 JasonA
I saw it when it first happened. I still have trouble understanding why this story didn't get more coverage than it did.
Why? The usual. The victim was a poor black kid from Oakland. Which is not to say it wasn't covered strictly because he was black. It would be about the same if it was anyone else that wasn't from the suburbs and handsome. The media really eats up the crime stories when the victims are good looking.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:51:51pm |
re: #263 Irenicum
Well, it looks like the hate fest is gonna get its rocks off again. And with that I bid y'all a good night. By the way, I like y'all. But I must say I'm disgusted at the behavior on all sides. As always. See ya on the other side. Either I see baiting or those who just love to respond to baiting. Can't we just let this behavior abate?
Sorry, pal. Yeah, if I'm called a whore or a psychopath, gee, I might respond.
People who want to pretend that my perfectly justified anger at such slurs is somehow 'just like' the assholes making the slurs can fuck off.
| 277 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:52:19pm |
re: #272 ryannon
I seem to detect an edge of anger.
Yeah - damn right I'm angry - good luck with trying to convince people I shouldn't be.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:52:35pm |
re: #267 Gus 802
Knock it off Ryannon. I've been watching and you're clearly trying to stir things up. You've actually succeeded.
Then flag my posts, if you haven't done so already.
And it's reassuring to know that you've been watching me.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:52:53pm |
re: #275 Gus 802
Why? The usual. The victim was a poor black kid from Oakland. Which is not to say it wasn't covered strictly because he was black. It would be about the same if it was anyone else that wasn't from the suburbs and handsome. The media really eats up the crime stories when the victims are good looking.
Get this: Mehserle will do less time for shooting & killing Oscar Grant than Plaxico Burress is doing for shooting himself in the leg...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:53:00pm |
re: #268 ryannon
Beautiful, just beautiful.
When do you actually start foaming at the mouth?
Man, I go off to find some lovely sword stuff and come back to see this. As far as not starting stuff, Dude, take a walk back.
You know full well this has pissed Ice and Jimmah off immensely. She has a right to be pissed. So does he. If someone made some comment like that or allusion or whatever you want to call it, followed by the mealy mouthed shit after, you can bet I would be ready to clock someone.
And what do you do... you decide to pour vinegar on it all.
What the hell is wrong with you?
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:53:15pm |
re: #265 JasonA
I saw it when it first happened. I still have trouble understanding why this story didn't get more coverage than it did.
What Gus said about it. That's why.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:53:39pm |
re: #275 Gus 802
Why? The usual. The victim was a poor black kid from Oakland. Which is not to say it wasn't covered strictly because he was black. It would be about the same if it was anyone else that wasn't from the suburbs and handsome. The media really eats up the crime stories when the victims are good looking.
Yeah, but this didn't even get Rodney King coverage. Even with the shocking footage they had available.
| 283 |
Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:53:44pm |
re: #278 ryannon
Then flag my posts, if you haven't done so already.
And it's reassuring to know that you've been watching me.
What's the matter with you? I've been watching the whole thread not you specifically. I didn't flag your posts either. Sheesh, take a big old chill pill or something.
| 284 |
ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:54:24pm |
re: #269 iceweasel
Ah, now you're quoting what the stalker blog says about me.
Brilliant work, ryannon. Way to prove you're not a hater!
*golf clap*
*and face-palm*
I've never seen the stalker blog and wouldn't know how to get there even if I wanted to.
But you can't believe that, can you.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:54:32pm |
re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote
Man, I go off to find some lovely sword stuff and come back to see this. As far as not starting stuff, Dude, take a walk back.
You know full well this has pissed Ice and Jimmah off immensely. She has a right to be pissed. So does he. If someone made some comment like that or allusion or whatever you want to call it, followed by the mealy mouthed shit after, you can bet I would be ready to clock someone.
And what do you do... you decide to pour vinegar on it all.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Apparently, ryannon decided to go full-tilt asshole...they need to check themselves before they wreck themselves.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:55:53pm |
re: #274 Obdicut
What the fuck, dude, haven't we had enough of this shit go down already?
What are you gaining?
Here, watch this instead. Fucking hilarious.
[Video]
Yes, I believe I'd said what I needed to say. Thank you for interjecting a bit of sanity into this mess.
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:55:56pm |
re: #256 ryannon
Show me where. Show me the links, O Stasi Archiver of Anti-Social Updinging. I up-ding people whom I like and who I feel are being attacked
Practically every nasty post of Bagua's to that effect for starters. Quite a little team you two are. these days.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:56:37pm |
re: #279 Stanley Sea
Get this: Mehserle will do less time for shooting & killing Oscar Grant than Plaxico Burress is doing for shooting himself in the leg...
How time has he done so far?
It's nuts. We know why this happens.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:56:58pm |
re: #279 Stanley Sea
Get this: Mehserle will do less time for shooting & killing Oscar Grant than Plaxico Burress is doing for shooting himself in the leg...
I'm willing to accept that the shooting wasn't intentional. It was pure incompetence that cost a man his life, but I don't believe this cop meant for this to happen.
Plaxico? It's not so much what he did, but that he did it in New York. We really don't like people having guns they shouldn't have.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:57:25pm |
re: #284 ryannon
Poor ryannon. It drove you absolutely batshit that people got timeouts, and that people (who are far better than you) apologised for their behaviour.
We all know it drove you batshit, sweetheart. Your frantic downdings (and seekrit updings) and your passive aggressive bullshit didn't go unnoticed. :)
Hey, remember how I asked you to fuck off and not talk to me? You lied (as usual) and claimed you would. How about you try doing that now?
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Bagua Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:57:29pm |
re: #287 Jimmah
Practically every nasty post of Bagua's to that effect for starters. Quite a little team you two are. these days.
I'll not respond to any baiting tonight out of respect for Charles.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:57:30pm |
re: #281 iceweasel
What Gus said about it. That's why.
I actually think that even involuntary manslaughter is too harsh. However, the more upsetting miscarriage of justice was that there wasn't a single black person on the jury.
I rode home on the bus tonight, and there were two old black gentlemen in their late 60s I knew from my old neighborhood. They were discussing the case-- none too pleased. They referred to the jury often, as proof it was rigged to go soft on the cop.
These guys, of course, are old enough to remember when police brutality towards blacks was the norm, and to them, this was a sign that things were getting worse again. They talked about the whole country being stirred up, and how there were white men gathering to kill black men-- and referred to the law in Arizona, too.
But the simultaneously cast scorn on anyone who would riot "Sure, give 'em more cause to shoot you, real smart junior" and said that Obama would be able to fix the dangers in the country-- if he didn't get shot first.
And one of them said "If they shoot the girls, we'll all riot." He said it very, very seriously.
I hope Obama stays safe.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:57:30pm |
re: #273 Jimmah
Letting yourself be sucked into another round of flame wars by these folks is your choice. I have have no problem with being angry over a loved one being aligned. I'd beat the shit out of anyone who called my lover any demeaning name. I'm cool with your response. I'm just sick of the back and forth around here. It's a fucking website.
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The Left Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:59:05pm |
re: #293 Irenicum
Letting yourself be sucked into another round of flame wars by these folks is your choice.
Sorry, no.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:59:12pm |
re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote
Man, I go off to find some lovely sword stuff and come back to see this. As far as not starting stuff, Dude, take a walk back.
You know full well this has pissed Ice and Jimmah off immensely. She has a right to be pissed. So does he. If someone made some comment like that or allusion or whatever you want to call it, followed by the mealy mouthed shit after, you can bet I would be ready to clock someone.
And what do you do... you decide to pour vinegar on it all.
What the hell is wrong with you?
I politely asked not to be associated with any of this, and gave what I believe are valid reasons of why I'm not.
It is the opinion of Ice and Jimmy that I am.
There seems to be a difference of opinion.
And this is the result of that.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:01:52am |
re: #295 ryannon
I politely asked not to be associated with any of this, and gave what I believe are valid reasons of why I'm not.
Why did you assume you were?
Because you know, and I know, and many people know, about your little games.
Just shut the fuck up over this, quit trying to pretend that YOU are the one who was slandered, and TRY to post about something else. Please. Thank you.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:02:42am |
re: #291 Bagua
I'll not respond to any baiting tonight out of respect for Charles.
But that was of course a response...
OK guys... really enough.
Ice and Jimmah have every right to be furious. You are what? Bored and interested in adding to it?
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:03:05am |
re: #291 Bagua
I'll not respond to any baiting tonight out of respect for Charles.
There are few facts more painfully obvious than that the baiting here tonight was all your buddy Ryannons. If you had any decency you would have apologised to iceweasel for calling her the names you did. But sadly, you don't. That's fine - just don't address me ever again.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:03:51am |
Sooo...
LeBron?
Miami?
How about that, huh...?
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:04:34am |
re: #299 Jimmah
There are few facts more painfully obvious than that the baiting here tonight was all your buddy Ryannons. If you had any decency you would have apologised to iceweasel for calling her the names you did. But sadly, you don't. That's fine - just don't address me ever again.
lol. Yeah, that'll happen. /
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:05:58am |
re: #299 Jimmah
There are few facts more painfully obvious than that the baiting here tonight was all your buddy Ryannons. If you had any decency you would have apologised to iceweasel for calling her the names you did. But sadly, you don't. That's fine - just don't address me ever again.
It looked to me like I was being baited, as several references are made to some old kerfuffle. Is this true or am I imagining this?
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:06:21am |
re: #300 JasonA
Sooo...
LeBron?
Miami?
How about that, huh...?
Someone tell me who this lebron guy is, what sport this is, and why I should care.
/ok, that should start a convo, no?
| 304 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:06:23am |
Oh good god...
Goodnight folks, I didn't come here to read pissed of bickering from a bunch of wanna-be highschool drama queens. Your ruining this site, almost every thread descends into petty argument now, probably the majority of us don't want to read it over and over and over.
Could you please just act like the adults you supposedly are? I wish everyone a good morning anyway, even though your pissing me off. :p
/later...maybe, I'm not sure there is any point in coming here anymore unless your a fan of reading never ending and pointless bickering.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:07:43am |
re: #295 ryannon
No it is not. I read all of your posts.
On the very off chance that you don't understand what is going on and are truly that clueless, I will explain it to you.
1. Women do not like being called whores. Rightfully so!
2. Women really don't like pedantic stuff that questions their right to be upset at being called whores, crap like well the term was actually street walker, why are you getting so irrational etc... It completely invalidates them and adds insult to injury.
3. Men don't like it when people insult and upset their wives. They get protective and angry. Rightfully so!
4. none of their friends like it either.
5. Once peace has begun to be reestablished - NO ONE likes some douche starting it all up again by invalidating the feelings of the offended couple.
That is exactly what you did. Now, are you actually so much of a douche that you don't get that?
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:07:47am |
re: #304 ausador
Oh good god...
Goodnight folks, I didn't come here to read pissed of bickering from a bunch of wanna-be highschool drama queens. Your ruining this site, almost every thread descends into petty argument now, probably the majority of us don't want to read it over and over and over.
Could you please just act like the adults you supposedly are? I wish everyone a good morning anyway, even though your pissing me off. :p
/later...maybe, I'm not sure there is any point in coming here anymore unless your a fan of reading never ending and pointless bickering.
Address your complaints to the posters who call women whores, please. Thank you. Not the people who rightfully get angry over that.
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:07:52am |
re: #263 Irenicum
By the way dingers. I'm not saying every side is equal. Overall I lean much more towards Ice and Jimmah. Sorry, I respect those who defend their loved ones. I guess I just appreciate those who love those closest to them. I'm just saying that I don't like the flame wars we've seen lately.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:08:32am |
re: #293 Irenicum
Letting yourself be sucked into another round of flame wars by these folks is your choice. I have have no problem with being angry over a loved one being aligned. I'd beat the shit out of anyone who called my lover any demeaning name. I'm cool with your response. I'm just sick of the back and forth around here. It's a fucking website.
Makes no sense. You fully agree that I'm right to be pissed off at someone maligning my wife in this disgusting and idiotic way, but you find me equally to blame for ... being pissed off at someone maligning my wife in this disgusting and idiotic way, and your disgust is shared equally between the perp and the victim. Right...sure....
Most people who have been following this have actually commended us on our restraint in dealing with this crap.
Nice try.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:09:12am |
re: #304 ausador
The kind of post you just made is just as useless and drama-queeny.
BUt this one's not. It's special.
It's got a moonwalking bird in it.
That is all real, no video manipulation.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:09:35am |
re: #304 ausador
Well said. I'm getting back to my video of the Bart verdict rioting and an update of the Oil Spill response. There are some interesting developments.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:10:03am |
re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote
2. Women really don't like pedantic stuff that questions their right to be upset at being called whores, crap like well the term was actually street walker, why are you getting so irrational etc... It completely invalidates them and adds insult to injury.
Kind of reminds me of last night's discussion about why white people shouldn't be using certain words...
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ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:10:44am |
re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote
No it is not. I read all of your posts.
On the very off chance that you don't understand what is going on and are truly that clueless, I will explain it to you.
1. Women do not like being called whores. Rightfully so!
2. Women really don't like pedantic stuff that questions their right to be upset at being called whores, crap like well the term was actually street walker, why are you getting so irrational etc... It completely invalidates them and adds insult to injury.
3. Men don't like it when people insult and upset their wives. They get protective and angry. Rightfully so!
4. none of their friends like it either.
5. Once peace has begun to be reestablished - NO ONE likes some douche starting it all up again by invalidating the feelings of the offended couple.
That is exactly what you did. Now, are you actually so much of a douche that you don't get that?
Yes, I'm a douche and incapable of understanding simple logic, accepting another person's point of view or even empathizing with others.
Let's leave it at that and move on.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:10:45am |
re: #312 JasonA
Kind of reminds me of last night's discussion about why white people shouldn't be using certain words...
where was this anyway?
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:12:47am |
re: #304 ausador
Oh good god...
Goodnight folks, I didn't come here to read pissed of bickering from a bunch of wanna-be highschool drama queens. Your ruining this site, almost every thread descends into petty argument now, probably the majority of us don't want to read it over and over and over.
Could you please just act like the adults you supposedly are? I wish everyone a good morning anyway, even though your pissing me off. :p
/later...maybe, I'm not sure there is any point in coming here anymore unless your a fan of reading never ending and pointless bickering.
No it's people who go around calling women on this site whores and psychopaths and the moral morons like you who support them by blaming the victims that are ruining this site.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:13:00am |
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:13:31am |
re: #313 ryannon
Yes, I'm a douche and incapable of understanding simple logic, accepting another person's point of view or even empathizing with others.
Let's leave it at that and move on.
Thanks for the clarification, Captain Obvious!
/you're still a jackass
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ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:14:08am |
re: #311 Bagua
I'd like to stay in contact with you, off forum. Particularly since I'm not sure I have the stomach to stay on much longer. Would a one-use, disposable email address work?
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:15:33am |
re: #314 LudwigVanQuixote
where was this anyway?
it was just dumb and also just typical albusteve in some moods of his. Charles told us all for at least three weeks that he'd had it with squabbling and would start handing out timeouts. The day after the whole "iceweasel is a whore!" deletion fest and timeouts, albusteve decided to make some dumb comments in support of a twit who claimed that the n word isn't really a bad word, because richard pryor used it for black people. /
I'm condensing a bit and so on. It isn't really worth looking at.
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ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:16:30am |
re: #317 talon_262
Thanks for the clarification, Captain Obvious!
/you're still a jackass
Thank you, my friend, thank you.
And may The Force be with you.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:17:08am |
Hm. Steve's still on a timeout. I guess Charles lifts it manually instead of putting a timer on it?
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:17:30am |
re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote
No it is not. I read all of your posts.
On the very off chance that you don't understand what is going on and are truly that clueless, I will explain it to you.
1. Women do not like being called whores. Rightfully so!
2. Women really don't like pedantic stuff that questions their right to be upset at being called whores, crap like well the term was actually street walker, why are you getting so irrational etc... It completely invalidates them and adds insult to injury.
3. Men don't like it when people insult and upset their wives. They get protective and angry. Rightfully so!
4. none of their friends like it either.
5. Once peace has begun to be reestablished - NO ONE likes some douche starting it all up again by invalidating the feelings of the offended couple.
That is exactly what you did. Now, are you actually so much of a douche that you don't get that?
I was talking to ice-ski earlier and she predicted this flaming meltdown from ryannon and bagua following yesterdays time outs. When Cato and Racer X did the decent thing and apologised, their cup of froth overflowed. Their reaction to this is a precise mirror of the reaction on the stalker sites as well, which is also interesting.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:18:55am |
re: #318 ryannon
I'd like to stay in contact with you, off forum. Particularly since I'm not sure I have the stomach to stay on much longer. Would a one-use, disposable email address work?
My nic is blue.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:19:01am |
re: #322 Jimmah
Cato wrote a hell of an apology. Took full responsibility, full-hearted, no hesitation, no letting himself off, and simply gave it without asking anything in return.
Upped my respect for him a hell of a lot.
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ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:20:06am |
re: #323 Bagua
My nic is blue.
And my heart is heavy. But so be it.
Thank you, will contact de suite.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:20:30am |
re: #324 Obdicut
Cato wrote a hell of an apology. Took full responsibility, full-hearted, no hesitation, no letting himself off, and simply gave it without asking anything in return.
Upped my respect for him a hell of a lot.
Cato is a crusty old Roman, full of honor...
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:20:33am |
re: #304 ausador
I know how you feel. Apparently I now officially piss of both the right and the left. I guess I just got baptized.re: #309 Jimmah
I totally respect your response to the attacks against you your wife. My issue is with the tenor overall. It's all been over the top. You know I respect you and Jimmah. My input has to do with the interactions.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:23:14am |
re: #324 Obdicut
Cato wrote a hell of an apology. Took full responsibility, full-hearted, no hesitation, no letting himself off, and simply gave it without asking anything in return.
Upped my respect for him a hell of a lot.
Me too - he's back in my good books again, I'm glad to say - and Racer X too for that matter. I'm happy to talk to anyone right, left or centre - but if you are into calling my wife digusting names, then there might just be a big problem.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:23:18am |
re: #324 Obdicut
Cato wrote a hell of an apology. Took full responsibility, full-hearted, no hesitation, no letting himself off, and simply gave it without asking anything in return.
Upped my respect for him a hell of a lot.
Cato is awesome. I said at the time, and tonight, that he didn't even need to do that. He's a friend of mine and his comments weren't malicious-- unlike the other people.
Yet he's the one who clearly sincerely felt he should apologise, and who did so fully. We'd spoken that night and I told him we were cool, and I know what went on. Anyway, Cato, yes, great.
(btw, again, props to racer x for apologising too.)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:23:59am |
re: #324 Obdicut
Cato wrote a hell of an apology. Took full responsibility, full-hearted, no hesitation, no letting himself off, and simply gave it without asking anything in return.
Upped my respect for him a hell of a lot.
Yeah I saw that. I will forgive him.
| 331 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:25:29am |
re: #325 ryannon
And my heart is heavy. But so be it.
Thank you, will contact de suite.
There's good times here and better down the road.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:26:02am |
re: #330 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah I saw that. I will forgive him.
Yet I shall never forgive you! Flintlock pistols at sunrise. One shot each. If we both miss then we shall go to swords. We shall fight to the finish!
//Damn whiskey.
//
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:32:18am |
re: #332 Gus 802
Yet I shall never forgive you! Flintlock pistols at sunrise. One shot each. If we both miss then we shall go to swords. We shall fight to the finish!
//Damn whiskey.
//
How dare you spell whisky with an e, sir! //
| 335 |
Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:32:28am |
re: #325 ryannon
What the fuck, dude. I didn't expect this from you. :(
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:32:38am |
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:32:57am |
Well kids. It started out as a non bar fight night. I really don't like getting into the cross fire, esp. with Ice and Jimmah (I really do love you two). But the interpersonal crossfire going on does distract from LGF big time. I love being here for the issues, not the drama.
| 338 |
Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:33:15am |
re: #335 Nimed
What the fuck, dude. I didn't expect this from you. :(
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised. Que cera cera.
| 339 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:34:03am |
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:34:13am |
re: #337 Irenicum
Well kids. It started out as a non bar fight night. I really don't like getting into the cross fire, esp. with Ice and Jimmah (I really do love you two). But the interpersonal crossfire going on does distract from LGF big time. I love being here for the issues, not the drama.
I have yet to see an internet forum that's drama-free.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:34:55am |
re: #310 Obdicut
The kind of post you just made is just as useless and drama-queeny.
BUt this one's not. It's special.
It's got a moonwalking bird in it.
[Video]That is all real, no video manipulation.
Heh. That bird is pretty awesome. Equally awesome I reckon is the Lyre Bird of Australia :
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:34:56am |
re: #337 Irenicum
Well kids. It started out as a non bar fight night. I really don't like getting into the cross fire, esp. with Ice and Jimmah (I really do love you two). But the interpersonal crossfire going on does distract from LGF big time. I love being here for the issues, not the drama.
So do we.
So direct your complaints to the people who think it's cool to call me a whore, and who concern troll over how terrible it is that I, or Jimmah, or other people, find that offensive.
No, I don't like this either.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:35:31am |
re: #340 JasonA
I have yet to see an internet forum that's drama-free.
Obviously some people didn't grow up in a Italian or Spanish family.
//
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:36:43am |
re: #339 ryannon
Let's say it's reciprocal.
It isn't. I object to your bullshit. So do many people here.
Why don't you STFU about it, post about something else, or fuck off like you claimed you would instead?
| 345 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:38:36am |
re: #331 Bagua
Outlook (the forum email application) is thoroughly gummed up for me.
I sent my contact info to the address I copied off the application window, via my gmail account. Let me know if it doesn't make it through.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:40:02am |
re: #335 Nimed
What the fuck, dude. I didn't expect this from you. :(
On the internet there are traps, hidden depths that can catch the unwary...
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ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:40:32am |
re: #344 iceweasel
It isn't. I object to your bullshit. So do many people here.
Why don't you STFU about it, post about something else, or fuck off like you claimed you would instead?
Would you please make up your mind about addressing me?
I'm just fine with your original suggestion of ignoring each other.
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:40:38am |
re: #343 Gus 802
Ha. I grew up in neighborhoods of SI that were both Italian and Irish, and in both cases a normal conversation was commonly mistaken for a fight. My father would joke about it. Passion is part of the conversation!
| 349 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:41:56am |
re: #337 Irenicum
Thank you Ice. I hoped you understood where I was coming from.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:42:06am |
re: #348 Irenicum
Ha. I grew up in neighborhoods of SI that were both Italian and Irish, and in both cases a normal conversation was commonly mistaken for a fight. My father would joke about it. Passion is part of the conversation!
What are you doing! I told you not to put that over there! How come everytime I let you borrow something it comes back broken! You're not going to wear that shirt are you?!
//
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:42:20am |
re: #348 Irenicum
Most conversations in Cantonese sound like hellacious arguments.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:43:04am |
re: #345 ryannon
Outlook (the forum email application) is thoroughly gummed up for me.
I sent my contact info to the address I copied off the application window, via my gmail account. Let me know if it doesn't make it through.
I've got it mate.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:43:45am |
re: #348 Irenicum
Ha. I grew up in neighborhoods of SI that were both Italian and Irish, and in both cases a normal conversation was commonly mistaken for a fight. My father would joke about it. Passion is part of the conversation!
Oh hey, Irenicum, I can't remember if I told you this (but I meant to)-- did you know or hear about this documentary?
Cropsey
Case of the Kidnappings and the Scared Island
Jimmah and I saw it at IFC a couple of weeks ago. It's made me want to check the place out. Did you know it?
| 354 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:43:55am |
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:44:10am |
I am officially sick of working. This has now been a 17 hour workday. A lot of waiting around involved, but still all having to pay attention. A lot of close-detail work, too.
I'm surprised I'm not snapping at people. Just don't have the energy.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:44:56am |
re: #355 Obdicut
I am officially sick of working. This has now been a 17 hour workday. A lot of waiting around involved, but still all having to pay attention. A lot of close-detail work, too.
I'm surprised I'm not snapping at people. Just don't have the energy.
Did you guys have a honeymoon?
| 357 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:45:15am |
re: #351 Obdicut
Maybe that's why I wanted to learn Mandarin!
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:45:47am |
I finally came back to life after taking an Advil. Ain't life grand? Advil and whiskey. Bet that's safe. Oh well. Might speed up the process.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:46:20am |
re: #356 JasonA
Did you guys have a honeymoon?
Yes, four wonderful days in Big Sur, by ourselves, in a very cosy little cabin.
And now she's in New York ahead of me, so we're separated for a month. Miss her like hell.
| 360 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:47:21am |
Sensors detect a cloaked Stinky cruiser off the port bow!
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:48:51am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Yes, four wonderful days in Big Sur, by ourselves, in a very cosy little cabin.
And now she's in New York ahead of me, so we're separated for a month. Miss her like hell.
What's with newlywed lizards between separated???
| 362 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:49:34am |
re: #353 iceweasel
I hate to say it. I knew that monster personally. In my time of working in social work among the homeless he asked me to be an artist for signs for his business. May he rot in hell.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:49:35am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Yes, four wonderful days in Big Sur, by ourselves, in a very cosy little cabin.
And now she's in New York ahead of me, so we're separated for a month. Miss her like hell.
A month? I admire you. I was at a place once in life where being separated for one day turned me into a basket case. Oh well. Single now.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:50:10am |
re: #353 iceweasel
Oh hey, Irenicum, I can't remember if I told you this (but I meant to)-- did you know or hear about this documentary?
Cropsey
Case of the Kidnappings and the Scared IslandJimmah and I saw it at IFC a couple of weeks ago. It's made me want to check the place out. Did you know it?
Just remember what I said about wandering among abandoned mental institutions on uninhabited islands? ;-)
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:50:29am |
re: #358 Gus 802
I'm all about Advil. Not so much about whiskey.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:51:05am |
re: #362 Irenicum
I hate to say it. I knew that monster personally. In my time of working in social work among the homeless he asked me to be an artist for signs for his business. May he rot in hell.
Oh no!
I'm so very sorry. How awful.
Apologies for even mentioning it.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:51:21am |
re: #366 Irenicum
I'm all about Advil. Not so much about whiskey.
Seems to be the only one that works. The others like Aleve or Tylenol don't do the trick.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:52:56am |
Alright, I'm outta here. I have to visit mom in the rehabilitation center tomorrow morning. She was discharged from the hospital today. We had a hairy moment when it seemed possible that the health insurance company might not cover it, but that's probably cheaper for them than keeping her in the hospital. *sigh*
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:53:37am |
re: #363 Gus 802
A month? I admire you. I was at a place once in life where being separated for one day turned me into a basket case. Oh well. Single now.
We had a three or so year long long-distance relationship before she moved her.
Oh, and we first met when I was 20 and she was 19 and we fell madly in love and I dumped her because I was a stupid, callow 20 year old. Then I crashed her first wedding -- honestly just as a way of showing I respected her decision, and to admit I'd been an asshole.
Then we didn't talk for five or six years. We accidentally got back into contact, and then figured out we still felt exactly the way about her. Luckily for me, her then-husband had turned into a big asshole and she was divorcing him.
Not a stereotypical path, anyway.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:53:59am |
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:54:01am |
re: #370 JasonA
Alright, I'm outta here. I have to visit mom in the rehabilitation center tomorrow morning. She was discharged from the hospital today. We had a hairy moment when it seemed possible that the health insurance company might not cover it, but that's probably cheaper for them than keeping her in the hospital. *sigh*
Good luck to your mom! Goodspeed.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:54:56am |
re: #374 Irenicum
Glad for that!
Yeah, me too. Her hospital experience was terrible. I'm not exaggerating.
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:55:58am |
re: #367 iceweasel
Thank you. He was truly a wicked man. My hope is that he will suffer in this life and in the life to come.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:57:06am |
re: #362 Irenicum
I hate to say it. I knew that monster personally. In my time of working in social work among the homeless he asked me to be an artist for signs for his business. May he rot in hell.
Wow. That is creepy. Back where I grew up, there was a wood with a mental institution in it. There was rumoured to be a madman living among the trees and wartime bomb shelters therein, called 'Hosey'. Definite echoes of Cropsey, although 'Hosey' was almost certasinly not a real person, unlike the Staten Island case.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:57:58am |
re: #377 JasonA
Yeah, me too. Her hospital experience was terrible. I'm not exaggerating.
I hate to say it but my impression is that they always want some idealized or perfect patient. If you're not a perfect patient they treat you like dirt. Sometimes I think they forget about the old pain factor and get all caught up in their own little employment world.
| 381 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 12:58:37am |
A certain butthurt individual is crawling through the thread downdinging everyone he can. Even quite innocuous comments from objective and neutral people who happen to not agree with him on this issue.
El Oh El. Spy is pretty awesome!
| 387 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:03:07am |
re: #379 Jimmah
Unfortunately, there are several damned souls among the psych ward crowd I knew who filled that credential that never got convicted. I wish they would.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:04:50am |
re: #385 Jimmah
His tears taste like...double stuff oreos?
Yeah. I guess there's no turning back now.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:08:22am |
re: #368 Gus 802
Seems to be the only one that works. The others like Aleve or Tylenol don't do the trick.
Have you tried Motrin?
IMO it's better than the others.
Also, in the UK you can get acetominophine (paracetomol) with codeine without a script. (it's a very low amount of codeine, not even as much as tylenol3 in the US iirc).
It's an OTC thing marketed to women with menstrual cramps. I've had it sent to me for years or stocked up whenever I'm there. If you'd like I'll send you some.
It's very mild
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:10:40am |
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:10:45am |
re: #390 iceweasel
Have you tried Motrin?
IMO it's better than the others.Also, in the UK you can get acetominophine (paracetomol) with codeine without a script. (it's a very low amount of codeine, not even as much as tylenol3 in the US iirc).
It's an OTC thing marketed to women with menstrual cramps. I've had it sent to me for years or stocked up whenever I'm there. If you'd like I'll send you some.
It's very mild
Thanks. The Advil works. Might try Motrin. I keep procrastinating about this as you know.
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:11:45am |
re: #379 Jimmah
Yeah. Evil exists in reality. I wish it weren't so.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:12:42am |
re: #393 Gus 802
Thanks. The Advil works. Might try Motrin. I keep procrastinating about this as you know.
Motrin works a little better for me than advil. I feel just like you about alleve, etc. Those don't do shit for me.
| 398 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:14:01am |
For me, the liquid cap Advil has worked best for my migraines.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:14:25am |
re: #396 iceweasel
Motrin works a little better for me than advil. I feel just like you about alleve, etc. Those don't do shit for me.
Yep. It's like Vicodin. Has no effect on me. I had a tooth pulled once and ended up taking 5 of those. Told the dentist the next day and he looked at me like I was nuts. Never finished the script since I didn't get off on it.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:16:55am |
re: #399 Gus 802
Yep. It's like Vicodin. Has no effect on me. I had a tooth pulled once and ended up taking 5 of those. Told the dentist the next day and he looked at me like I was nuts. Never finished the script since I didn't get off on it.
Wow, I wonder if maybe we have similar neural chemistry or something? Because I loathe Vicodin and the one time I was prescribed it I just threw it away. It had no affect on me -- except to make me puke. No pain alleviation whatsover.
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:18:14am |
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:19:13am |
re: #401 iceweasel
Wow, I wonder if maybe we have similar neural chemistry or something? Because I loathe Vicodin and the one time I was prescribed it I just threw it away. It had no affect on me -- except to make me puke. No pain alleviation whatsover.
It only has a barbiturate effect on me. Like a mild downer. I think I made the script last about a month. Would chop one in half and have a glass of wine and I would be mellow.
Warning: void where prohibited by law!
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:19:37am |
re: #403 tnguitarist
Watchin Brain Candy. They hate it, but I love it.
Who here is a Strangers With Candy fan, or League of Gentlemen?
If you like Kids in the Hall, you'll probably like those, and vice versa.
| 406 |
tnguitarist Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:20:38am |
re: #405 iceweasel
Who here is a Strangers With Candy fan, or League of Gentlemen?
If you like Kids in the Hall, you'll probably like those, and vice versa.
Me and Kids go way back. Anyone remember 'The State'?
| 407 |
tnguitarist Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:21:31am |
re: #405 iceweasel
....and I'll watch anything with Colbert in it.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:21:39am |
re: #400 tnguitarist
Any 'Kids in the Hall' fans in the house?
Used to watch it a lot. First time I saw it I was like "oh wow what's this?"
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:24:23am |
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:24:52am |
re: #407 tnguitarist
...and I'll watch anything with Colbert in it.
Oh yeah. I love
Also love John Oliver. /BRIT alert
| 412 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:25:42am |
apropos of nothing, this is the greatest fan-made music video of all time
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Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:25:45am |
re: #367 iceweasel
No problem. I knew a few notorious people because of my social work. My boss was the first person caught by America's Most Wanted. It's all cool. It is strange knowing people so well known on THAT side of the law.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:25:53am |
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:26:35am |
re: #413 Irenicum
No problem. I knew a few notorious people because of my social work. My boss was the first person caught by America's Most Wanted. It's all cool. It is strange knowing people so well known on THAT side of the law.
Oh, fun...
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:26:36am |
If you like kids in the hall, you'll probably like the Fast Show :
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:27:02am |
re: #410 Gus 802
Abridged version of an hour long documentary broadcast on Channel 4 in 2001
[Video]
HELLO DAVE?
/league of gentlemen mashup.
You'd love league of gentlemen.
| 418 |
MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:28:52am |
Good night, folks...may all be well in the overnight.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:29:00am |
re: #417 iceweasel
HELLO DAVE?
[Video]/league of gentlemen mashup.You'd love league of gentlemen.
Where the hell did you get that idea Hal?
Woot!
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:32:36am |
re: #412 Obdicut
apropos of nothing, this is the greatest fan-made music video of all time
[Video]
Pretty good, but what about this?
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:34:14am |
re: #419 Gus 802
Where the hell did you get that idea Hal?
Woot!
This is the league of gentlemen bit they used:
It's way funnier when you watch the series. Do you remember when CJ posted Psychoville? -- same guys.
| 422 |
Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:34:27am |
re: #417 iceweasel
HELLO DAVE?
[Video]/league of gentlemen mashup.You'd love league of gentlemen.
Cracks me up EVERY time :)
| 423 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:34:38am |
re: #420 Jimmah
Like the song, but the video mehs me.
Here's another fan-made awesome Electric Six video:
| 424 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:35:08am |
Ran into my neighbor walking to the store today. He screams out "Argentina lost!" He's from Mexico City and he knows I'm from Argentina. Funny moment.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:36:40am |
re: #422 Jimmah
Cracks me up EVERY time :)
Heh. If I remember right, you and I first started talking to each other because we got all the same references, and this was a major one. :)
| 426 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:36:42am |
re: #415 talon_262
Heh, just google Bob Lord or David Roberts. He was my boss. We shared Napoleon brandy together. He was a friend and good boss. But he did have a temper. Now I know why.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:37:29am |
re: #421 iceweasel
This is the league of gentlemen bit they used:
[Video]It's way funnier when you watch the series. Do you remember when CJ posted Psychoville? -- same guys.
Traveling people!
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:42:51am |
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:43:00am |
re: #426 Irenicum
Heh, just google Bob Lord or David Roberts. He was my boss. We shared Napoleon brandy together. He was a friend and good boss. But he did have a temper. Now I know why.
Ugh-- so sorry. Reading now. Terrible.
| 432 |
freetoken Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:43:17am |
| 433 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:46:26am |
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:49:18am |
re: #433 Gus 802
The Walls - To the Bright & Shining Sun
[Video]
I'm loving that. They kinda remind me of The Church.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:49:30am |
re: #433 Gus 802
They're Irish! It's good for you.
Eat more Barrackoli. It's good for you. My Air Force neighbors had that on their door in 2008. He smokes weed.
| 436 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:50:27am |
re: #434 iceweasel
I'm loving that. They kinda remind me of The Church.
It does. Has that big wall of sound feel to it.
Anthem.
| 437 |
Irenicum Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:51:15am |
re: #431 iceweasel
It's strange. I miss his friendship. He played a wise man in our church Christmas pageant. He helped me move. We drank Napoleon brandy together. And yet a good friend of mine knew from the start that he was violent. She knew better than me. She "saw" it in a way I couldn't. Strange. Strange indeed. Glad that he's behind bars now.
| 440 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:54:30am |
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:00:36am |
re: #441 Gus 802
London
Oh hey-- do you like Graham Coxon? I bet you would like this:
Great vid too.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:01:11am |
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:03:12am |
re: #443 iceweasel
Oh hey-- do you like Graham Coxon? I bet you would like this:
[Video]Great vid too.
I like it! First time I heard it.
Cute dog.
| 447 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:05:00am |
re: #443 iceweasel
Oh hey-- do you like Graham Coxon? I bet you would like this:
[Video]Great vid too.
Nice chording too.
| 448 |
Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:06:05am |
re: #445 Jimmah
Bang Bang Machine - Geek Love
[Video]
Geek fact: it just so happens that the guy who directed that video also directed this masterpiece (cheesier than a pound of English Tickler but I kinda love it):
| 449 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:07:09am |
re: #446 Gus 802
I like it! First time I heard it.
Cute dog.
I think his lyrics are so funny and clever.
You're beautiful,
I love to watch your face in the morning light
You're really cool,
I like the way we fight right through the night
And the way we used to kiss was way out of sight
But I can never hope to set you free
Cos you're my bittersweet bundle of misery
It would take me an age to marry you
Now I've seen you use my razor like you do--
it's true
| 450 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:07:49am |
| 451 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:10:10am |
re: #403 tnguitarist
Watchin Brain Candy. They hate it, but I love it.
this is one of my favorite films of all time.
IS IT READY?!?!?!
| 452 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:13:05am |
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freetoken Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:19:31am |
Time for my listening practice...
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:20:43am |
KLF and Extreme Noise Terror.
Check out the faces in the audience (it's some bollocks TV music award show) as the singer lets off a machine gun into the audience at the end (just blanks of course, buit still...lol)
| 457 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:20:52am |
| 459 |
freetoken Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:26:47am |
| 460 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:27:02am |
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:29:10am |
re: #455 freetoken
Time for my listening practice...
[Video]
Thought you might like this one - Faye Wong singing the Cocteau Twins:
| 462 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:29:56am |
re: #460 Gus 802
[Video]No Newts. No haters.That's gonna hurt. I said "haters".
well if you said 'hater', obviously good and decent people who don't ever engage in hate will 'know' it's about them.
So unfair of you! //
| 463 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:30:18am |
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:31:09am |
re: #462 iceweasel
well if you said 'hater', obviously good and decent people who don't ever engage in hate will 'know' it's about them.
So unfair of you! //
Followed by hours of accusations of "reverse hatism." Wha!
| 465 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:32:24am |
re: #463 Gus 802
The anthem to Saint Reagan.
[Video]
ha!
Once upon a time I worked in a store on the upper east side and did a window display on 'eat the rich'.
It was very popular.
| 466 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:35:06am |
re: #464 Gus 802
Followed by hours of accusations of "reverse hatism." Wha!
"I just can't stand the fights here. You people who find calling women whores objectionable-- if only you'd shut up we wouldn't have these flame wars."
Yeah.
| 467 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:35:24am |
re: #465 iceweasel
ha!
Once upon a time I worked in a store on the upper east side and did a window display on 'eat the rich'.
It was very popular.
I can't imagine why. Build a million dollar house. Get 500 bucks. Still not enough for rent.
Back in the old days at LGF some people used to love banks and credit card companies. They thought they were swell folks.
| 468 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:36:17am |
re: #466 iceweasel
"I just can't stand the fights here. You people who find calling women whores objectionable-- if only you'd shut up we wouldn't have these flame wars."
Yeah.
Please allow me to introduce myself. I think you weren't talking about me but I still think you were talking about me.
More about me!
//
| 469 |
Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:37:29am |
re: #464 Gus 802
Followed by hours of accusations of "reverse hatism." Wha!
"You can remember things that people said? You're just like the Stasi!"
| 470 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:39:03am |
re: #469 Jimmah
"You can remember things that people said? You're just like the Stasi!"
Progressive totalitarianism!
//Rodent
| 471 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:44:48am |
re: #470 Gus 802
Progressive totalitarianism!
//Rodent
That cracks me up. And 'rodent' too.
re: #469 Jimmah
"You can remember things that people said? You're just like the Stasi!"
How dare you quote me. You're a librhul smear merchant like Media Matters for doing that!1! /O'Reilly
Are you quoting me? I'll sue you! /sharron angle
| 472 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:47:09am |
re: #471 iceweasel
That cracks me up. And 'rodent' too.
It should. Rodent is like that class of people that think they're fighting for freedom. Most right wingers are the opposite of freedom and liberty. If you get them young enough they make for good canon fodder. They'll even think they're fighting for "freedom."
| 473 |
Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:54:32am |
re: #472 Gus 802
It should. Rodent is like that class of people that think they're fighting for freedom. Most right wingers are the opposite of freedom and liberty. If you get them young enough they make for good canon fodder. They'll even think they're fighting for "freedom."
That reminds me - small point but it does show how factually challenged that lot are - they think the weasel is a rodent, and the american opossum a marsupial. :D
| 474 |
Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:56:38am |
re: #430 Gus 802
The Killers - All These Things That I've Done
[Video]
Godammit Gus, great choice! I haven't heard that in a while and it felt really good.
Meanwhile, I'm still stuck on the creepy of 200 comments ago, so here's a somewhat creepy choice (damn freaky puppets!).
| 475 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:58:33am |
re: #473 Jimmah
That reminds me - small point but it does show how factually challenged that lot are - they think the weasel is a rodent, and the american opossum a marsupial. :D
Comes with the territory. Rodent thinks...
LGF Poster Gus 802 Supports Nazi and Islamic view of Serb Resistance in WWII
Space Jesus and Gus 802 support Communism « The Diary of Daedalus
I just blow it off with those lowlifes.
| 476 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:58:43am |
Finally done with my damn work.
20 hour workday.
Haven't had one of these in awhile.
| 478 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:03:25am |
re: #475 Gus 802
I just blow it off with those lowlifes.
Hilarious. Nasty that they say that. But so insane and so wrong. Laughing and ignoring is the way to go.
Space Jesus and Gus 802 support Communism
Are you now, or have you ever been, a commie community organiser?
| 479 |
Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:08:29am |
Still catching up. Everybody loves The Curch, and that's the way it should be. Any fans of dEUS?
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:09:55am |
re: #478 iceweasel
Are you now, or have you ever been, a
commiecommunity organiser?
Ha! I wish I was. Nah, if you really knew me you would know the reality as opposed to an obsessed internet drunkards point of view.
Funny thing is that I never knew this Rick Martinez fellow. He started a conversation with me while stalking my comments here. Never interchanged with him once in person.
Most of these people think about me more than I do of them. I usually go to bed thinking about other things in my life.
| 481 |
Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:11:51am |
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:16:58am |
re: #481 Nimed
:O Broad brush alert.
/
The dreaded broad brush. Yeah, far right. I agree with some right wing ideas here and there. Some. Not many. They've just been off their rocker lately. since 911 to be precise. Some of what I call "born again right wingers" are some of the worst. Typically that's a left winger that converted to a right winger after 911. That's like Roger Simon, Andrew Breitbart, etc.
| 483 |
Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:17:24am |
re: #331 Bagua
There's good times here and better down the road.
I'm gonna listen to The Killers again. This one's for Bagua.
| 484 |
Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:20:13am |
re: #475 Gus 802
I just blow it off with those lowlifes.
Anytime I take as look there it just makes me laugh. To be the subject of not one but several overlapping conspiracy theories is just funny. They have crazy ideas about many of us over there.
| 485 |
Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:22:22am |
re: #482 Gus 802
The dreaded broad brush. Yeah, far right. I agree with some right wing ideas here and there. Some. Not many. They've just been off their rocker lately. since 911 to be precise. Some of what I call "born again right wingers" are some of the worst. Typically that's a left winger that converted to a right winger after 911. That's like Roger Simon, Andrew Breitbart, etc.
I couldn't agree more. I have an even more pessimistic view of the right, in fact -- their contributions have been confined to Economics, and have stopped in the early 90s. If you remove the current wave of craziness, you'll find a desert. How's that for broad brush?
| 486 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:24:31am |
Good Morning to Charles' Private Army of Reptilians!
My favorite Simpson's scene as I depart for work.
[The family is playing Scrabble.]
Bart: My turn. Kwyijibo. K-W-Y-I-J-I-B-O, 22 points, plus triple word score, plus 50 points for using all my letters. Game's over, I'm outta here.
[Bart's about to leave, but Homer grabs his arm.]
Homer: Wait a minute, you little cheater. You're not going anywhere, until tell me what a Kwyijibo is.
Bart: Uh, Kwyijibo. Uh... [looks at Homer] a big, dumb, balding North American ape. With no chin.
Marge: And a short temper.
Homer: I'll show you a big, dumb, balding ape! [chases Bart]
Bart: Uh-oh! Kwyijibo is on the loose!
Kwyijibo still features prominently in my family's lexicon.
| 487 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:30:00am |
re: #484 Jimmah
Anytime I take as look there it just makes me laugh. To be the subject of not one but several overlapping conspiracy theories is just funny. They have crazy ideas about many of us over there.
Seriously. I'm glad that I'm filling up the lives of these poor pathetic fools. I'd take it seriously if they were even close but they're not. I'm rather ordinary in that I've mostly voted for Democrats and some Republicans from time to time. I'm just your average broke American that leans left and believes in personal liberties and walks with a big stick. Most of this is just jealousy since I'm well endowed with a lot of gray matter.
| 488 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:38:40am |
re: #482 Gus 802
The dreaded broad brush. Yeah, far right. I agree with some right wing ideas here and there. Some. Not many. They've just been off their rocker lately. since 911 to be precise. Some of what I call "born again right wingers" are some of the worst. Typically that's a left winger that converted to a right winger after 911. That's like Roger Simon, Andrew Breitbart, etc.
I think lots of people lost their minds in the wake of 9-11.
And yes, in my experience, it's the born again wingers (great term) that are the worst. (There's no adherent so devout as a convert, etc)
re: #480 Gus 802
Ha! I wish I was. Nah, if you really knew me you would know the reality as opposed to an obsessed internet drunkards point of view.
Funny thing is that I never knew this Rick Martinez fellow. He started a conversation with me while stalking my comments here. Never interchanged with him once in person.
Most of these people think about me more than I do of them. I usually go to bed thinking about other things in my life.
Ditto. WTF?
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Nimed Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:46:33am |
re: #487 Gus 802
Seriously. I'm glad that I'm filling up the lives of these poor pathetic fools. I'd take it seriously if they were even close but they're not. I'm rather ordinary in that I've mostly voted for Democrats and some Republicans from time to time. I'm just your average broke American that leans left and believes in personal liberties and walks with a big stick. Most of this is just jealousy since I'm well endowed with a lot of gray matter.
Well, any joke about the expressions "well endowed" and "walks with a big stick", would be far too obvious (gee Gus, no need to rub it in), so I'll just dedicate my parting music to the stalkers. Pay close attention to the lyrics, fellas.
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Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:50:04am |
re: #488 iceweasel
Ditto. WTF?
On the WTF? I was just voicing my opinion here about the Chetniks and he was lurking and started having his typical one-way conversation. lol Charles happened to be talking about their recent death threats and death wishes in which there were many and I think I called them "white trash" which flipped them out. He wanted to "debate" like some of our occasional trolls do but I have no interest in debating with losers and he knows that.
So, I blew it off. I have my own problems and don't want to deal with these born again anti-Jihadist lunatics. He ended up getting all pissed off and saying that my mother was a Nazi Whore and some other crazed bullshit.
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:19:41am |
Oh man, I gotta get me one of these!
Watch the video clip at the bottom to see how bright this sucker is. :D
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Aye Pod Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:21:13am |
"Savage, son - you're Sunny D and cheetos are ready"
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Casual Talker Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:24:52am |
Has anyone run across any fair-minded analysis of the US v AZ case? So far, everything I've read seems (to me, anyway) to be fairly slanted one way or the other. I'd really like to find an article or two that presents pro/con arguments from both sides in an objective manner, so if you have any links, please share. Thanks!
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:25:17am |
re: #494 Jimmah
"Savage, son - you're Sunny D and cheetos are ready"
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
"Mommy always yells at me when I talk about Reagan." Sad face! So very sad.
(not kidding, folks, that's what happened. )
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:25:55am |
re: #495 Casual Talker
Has anyone run across any fair-minded analysis of the US v AZ case? So far, everything I've read seems (to me, anyway) to be fairly slanted one way or the other. I'd really like to find an article or two that presents pro/con arguments from both sides in an objective manner, so if you have any links, please share. Thanks!
Sure, read here.
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Casual Talker Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:30:12am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:36:12am |
re: #495 Casual Talker
Ice? Was that down-ding on purpose?
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:42:32am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ice? Was that down-ding on purpose?
Yep! More than happy to take it back if warranted. This: Has anyone run across any fair-minded analysis of the US v AZ case? So far, everything I've read seems (to me, anyway) to be fairly slanted one way or the other. -struck me as somewhat trollish, given how much has been posted here on it.
Perhaps it isn't trollish. That's cool and I'd rescind the downding.
(But why do people care about them?)
Found some cool dessert stuff and thought of you, btw. :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:45:40am |
re: #501 iceweasel
I like desert. Didn't read that way to me at all. Most of the posts I see here are slanted with the Lizard's opinion.
I guess "fair minded assessment" is in the eye of the beholder.
The red "minus one" just jumped off the page at me considering the tone and language of the post. That was all.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:46:13am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ice? Was that down-ding on purpose?
and btw, I made a point of updinging the person just for saying thanks, which cancels out my downding anyway.
Anyone who looks can see that's how I roll ding; super heavy hand on the updings always.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:47:57am |
re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I like desert. Didn't read that way to me at all. Most of the posts I see here are slanted with the Lizard's opinion.
I guess "fair minded assessment" is in the eye of the beholder.
The red "minus one" just jumped off the page at me considering the tone and language of the post. That was all.
So then downding me if you're offended. Unlike many, I won't even notice and if you do downding me I won't even take it personally.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:48:27am |
re: #503 iceweasel
I have downdinged when I meant to upding; was just making sure.
It's all good. You are a huge up-dinger, I know that.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:50:37am |
re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have downdinged when I meant to upding; was just making sure.
It's all good. You are a huge up-dinger, I know that.
It's cool. Like I said if I'm wrong I'd rescind it and even give an upding.
I sort of live in fear of hitting the wrong button, btw-- I definitely don't mind someone asking, and in fact appreciate it.
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Casual Talker Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:58:48am |
re: #506 iceweasel
It's cool. Like I said if I'm wrong I'd rescind it and even give an upding.
I sort of live in fear of hitting the wrong button, btw-- I definitely don't mind someone asking, and in fact appreciate it.
Not trying to troll, but perhaps I was vague enough so as to leave a suspicion.
To be more clear, I'm looking for legal analysis by legal minds that analyze the case from both sides - pointing out likely arguments and strategies, case law, strengths, weaknesses in a side-by-side fashion. The inside baseball stuff I guess you'd call it - Here's where side A is going to go, here's how side B might counter, etc.
I haven't (yet) run across analysis articles that lay it out that way, but I will keep my eyes open here and elsewhere. I'm going to search the articles posted here at your suggestion also.
Thanks again.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:01:06am |
re: #507 Casual Talker
Not trying to troll, but perhaps I was vague enough so as to leave a suspicion.
To be more clear, I'm looking for legal analysis by legal minds that analyze the case from both sides - pointing out likely arguments and strategies, case law, strengths, weaknesses in a side-by-side fashion. The inside baseball stuff I guess you'd call it - Here's where side A is going to go, here's how side B might counter, etc.
I haven't (yet) run across analysis articles that lay it out that way, but I will keep my eyes open here and elsewhere. I'm going to search the articles posted here at your suggestion also.
Thanks again.
Ok, cool. Check the articles here on it and look especially within the comment threads for lawhawk's comments, if I remember right.
I can find you some more stuff as well. BRB.
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:01:22am |
re: #507 Casual Talker
We have some lawyers here. You might try searching Lawhawk's comments.
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Casual Talker Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:02:53am |
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:04:58am |
re: #510 Casual Talker
Lol! Yeah, Lawhawk is pretty cool all around. :)
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:09:11am |
re: #507 Casual Talker
Here you go. It's think progress from july 6, and has loads of links:
Beyond The Federal Government’s Lawsuit: How Others Are Challenging Arizona’s Immigration Law
Dig through the links and read everything and you'll find a comprehensive treatment.
Lawhawk is v cool. I often disagree with him, but he isn't a hack, isn't partisan, knows his shit, and would never knowingly spread falsehoods.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:16:09am |
re: #512 iceweasel
I have Lawhawk set up on "auto-ding".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:17:08am |
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:19:49am |
re: #512 iceweasel
Here you go. It's think progress from july 6, and has loads of links:
Beyond The Federal Government’s Lawsuit: How Others Are Challenging Arizona’s Immigration LawDig through the links and read everything and you'll find a comprehensive treatment.
Lawhawk is v cool. I often disagree with him, but he isn't a hack, isn't partisan, knows his shit, and would never knowingly spread falsehoods.
It occurs to me that this might sound mean, so let me elaborate: lawhawk is one of my favourite posters here, and that's partly BECAUSE I don't always agree with him. He's a very smart guy, i consistently learn from him, and he's intellectually honest. He's also basically a classic liberal (before that phrase got corrupted by libertarians and the like), which makes him essentially a centrist.
In truth, I think lawhawk and I agree on most things, which is probably a huge shock to some people.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:19:54am |
Hezbollah denounces CNN's firing of Mideast editor
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
07/09/2010 11:35
BEIRUT — Hezbollah denounced on Friday CNN's decision to fire a Middle East editor for posting a note on Twitter expressing admiration for the country's late top Shiite cleric.
Octavia Nasr later apologized for her tweet in which she described Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah as "one of Hezbollah's giants I respect a lot." But CNN officials said her credibility had been compromised.
Hezbollah's spokesman Ibrahim Moussawi said CNN's decision amounts to "intellectual terrorism" and reflects the West's "double standards" in dealing with the Mideast.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
He said in a statement that the decision to fire Nasr — a Lebanese who worked for CNN for two decades — exposes America's false claims regarding freedom of expression.
Dontcha just love being lectured on personal freedoms and journalistic integrity by Islamofascist terrorists?
Good Morning LGF.
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Casual Talker Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:22:37am |
re: #512 iceweasel
Here you go. It's think progress from july 6, and has loads of links:
Beyond The Federal Government’s Lawsuit: How Others Are Challenging Arizona’s Immigration LawDig through the links and read everything and you'll find a comprehensive treatment.
Lawhawk is v cool. I often disagree with him, but he isn't a hack, isn't partisan, knows his shit, and would never knowingly spread falsehoods.
Great and thanks! I really appreciate it.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:23:44am |
IMHO, Lawhawk is very solid about presenting facts and explaining the processes regarding the issues he presents here.
He is fair, which makes him a great fit for Charles' goals here.
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:25:55am |
re: #513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wish there was a way to automatically reciprocate updings. I owe a lot of people but partly because of the fast pace of commenting, it doesn't get done.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:29:57am |
re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks, I've bookmarked the cold steel page.That looks like an acceptable cross between by wallet and quality.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:30:22am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:31:41am |
re: #520 Boogberg
Nah... Really can't be passive. I still read Lawhawk before "dinging".
As an official "ding whore", even I have standards.
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:34:00am |
re: #522 Killgore Trout
Well that's a step in the right direction. Glad to hear it.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:35:14am |
re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lawhawk has always been a favourite around here, and for good reason. Consistently informative, interesting and anti-idiotarian, his incisive and well-written posts are always a pleasure to read.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:35:32am |
re: #522 Killgore Trout
Dang, a widow can't even "get her some" over there.
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:38:06am |
re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well I have mixed feelings about the rating system anyway. But, it's there.
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BongCrodny Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:40:19am |
re: #487 Gus 802
Most of this is just jealousy since I'm well endowed with a lot of gray matter.
A friend of mine used to think that the term was "well endoweled."
Of course, that was before "got wood?", so it turns out that he was quite prophetic.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:49:21am |
re: #518 Casual Talker
Great and thanks! I really appreciate it.
No prob-- ask me later and I'll have more links for you.
I know many people would be like 'ooh, think progress, lefty site!' but that link gives pdfs and links to loads of useful stuff; you don't have to like or agree with TP or their own politics to find good stuff via that link.
| 530 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:50:34am |
GOP leaders let demagogues set tone, lawmaker says
While not naming names, 12-year incumbent Rep. Bob Inglis suggested in interviews with The Associated Press that tea party favorites such as former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and right-wing talk show hosts like Glenn Beck are the culprits.
He cited a claim made famous by Palin that the Democratic health care bill would create "death panels" to decide whether elderly or sick people should get care.
"There were no death panels in the bill ... and to encourage that kind of fear is just the lowest form of political leadership. It's not leadership. It's demagoguery," said Inglis, one of three Republican incumbents who have lost their seats in Congress to primary and state party convention challengers this year.
Inglis said voters eventually will discover that you're "preying on their fears" and turn away.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:55:09am |
Oh my GOD, People!
GET A GRIP!
Don't you see?! By appearing to be level-headed to all of us, Lawhawk is just sucking us in by his ruse... oh sure, he's very factual and even-handed - never retorts personally with attacks.
I've concluded he is a member of a Sekrit Sect, the Advance team leader of the New World Order!
Let's go to the Chalk Board!!!
....................................................................
Lawhawk is the guy that keeps it real. Kudo's to a good guy.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:55:09am |
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:57:45am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
Tom Tancredo: Obama A Greater Threat To The U.S. Than Al-Qaeda Or The U.S.S.R. (VIDEO)
[Video]
Needs to be a page. IMO.
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The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:59:03am |
re: #531 Ericus58
Oh my GOD, People!
GET A GRIP!Don't you see?! By appearing to be level-headed to all of us, Lawhawk is just sucking us in by his ruse....
THE TROOF IS OUT THERE! ///
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:59:10am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
Oh for crying out loud. What a fucking douchebag.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:02:03am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
Tom Tancredo: Obama A Greater Threat To The U.S. Than Al-Qaeda Or The U.S.S.R. (VIDEO)
[Video]
oh fer the love of all things SANE!!!
I'm pretty much moved into the Indy camp.
I like Moderation. I like common-sense concession.
That is my goal.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:03:49am |
re: #533 iceweasel
Needs to be a page. IMO.
Ok, it's too early for me to think of something clever to say about it but I'll just post the video.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:08:07am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
I volunteer to be the GOP's filter.
"Tom? That's stupid. No, you can't say that."
"Rush? Hyperbole. Hush."
"Hannity? You? You're out of the party."
"Charles Krauthammer. Good point. Nicely phrased."
I'D DO IT FOR FREE! FREE, I TELLS YA!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:15:05am |
re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I volunteer to be the GOP's filter.
"Tom? That's stupid. No, you can't say that."
"Rush? Hyperbole. Hush."
"Hannity? You? You're out of the party."
"Charles Krauthammer. Good point. Nicely phrased."I'D DO IT FOR FREE! FREE, I TELLS YA!
The wingnuts won't listen. They're convinced that this crap is true.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:17:21am |
Wingnuts are finally acknowledging the the climategate investigation....
CLIMATEGATE: UK Climategate Investigation Conclusion: Hiding the Decline was “Misleading.”Posted at 8:34 am by Glenn Reynolds
link goes to the Heritage Foundation. Idiots.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:22:29am |
Get ready, the wingnuts are gonna love this: Poll: 55% Of Likely Voters Think Obama's A Socialist
The poll (PDF) from Democracy Corps finds that 55 percent of likely voters believe that the word "socialist" describes the president either "well" or "very well."
...
June's poll was the first Democracy Corps survey to ask respondents if they consider the President to be a socialist, but Craighill said the monthly poll will continue to ask the question in the future. "It's something we want to track on future reporting for how this might relate to the Tea Party movement," he said. Craighill expects Democracy Corps to publish a report specific to the Tea Party movement in a few weeks.
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:30:16am |
re: #493 Boogberg
George Lucas is not impressed.
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:35:34am |
re: #522 Killgore Trout
re: #524 Boogberg
Don't be in to big of a rush to celebrate.
*Snip*
But Ashtiani still faces the possibility of execution for her 2006 adultery conviction, said Drewery Dyke of Amnesty International in London.
"We have noted in the past that those who have been sentenced to stonings have gone on to be hanged," he said. "That remains a concern."
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:53:02am |
re: #543 Bubblehead II
George Lucas is not impressed.
I'm not impressed with the writing of Lucas' last three Star Wars movies, so we're even.
BTW, Lucas is real saavy with the copyright/trademark rules - he's even gotten Verizon to pay royalties/fealty to Lucasfilm over the use of the word "Droid" for the Verizon phone by that name.
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ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:53:33am |
And the beat goes on:
Iranians still facing death by stoning despite 'reprieve'
Fifteen could still die in horrific sentence after being allegedly convicted of adultery
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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garhighway Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:57:14am |
re: #546 lawhawk
I'm not impressed with the writing of Lucas' last three Star Wars movies, so we're even.
BTW, Lucas is real saavy with the copyright/trademark rules - he's even gotten Verizon to pay royalties/fealty to Lucasfilm over the use of the word "Droid" for the Verizon phone by that name.
Carrie Fisher has an interesting discussion of how she lost control of her likeness as a result of her Star Wars work in her one-woman Broadway show.
It was a great show. She is really funny and smart.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:57:17am |
re: #547 ryannon
And the beat goes on:
Iranians still facing death by stoning despite 'reprieve'
Fifteen could still die in horrific sentence after being allegedly convicted of adultery
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Could be worse - you could be stabbed.
| 550 |
lawhawk Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:01:39am |
Never in the history of the Gazan people have so many nations been so "concerned" about the plight of the Gazans that they're sending all kinds of materials to Gaza. Libya is the latest to jump on the bandwagon - saying that they're sending a ship with materials and further that if Israel doesn't let it go directly to Gaza, they'll be okay with Israel delivering it for them. Well, they should be prepared for just that - since Israel isn't going to stop the blockade merely on Libya's say-so of what's contained in the ship.
| 551 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:05:48am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
Get ready, the wingnuts are gonna love this: Poll: 55% Of Likely Voters Think Obama's A Socialist
A quick review of the poll itself indicates that notwithstanding the GOP's rudderless and scary direction, the Dems are very seriously in the dumper.
| 552 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:07:16am |
Morning all. I'm late to the party this morning, mostly because I'm stuck in the boring drudgework of sifting through the last two days' worth of test results and logging defects on them. Yay me. How is the lizardoid collective this morning?
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:09:36am |
Hizbullah pissed at CNN for sacking pro-Hizbullah journalist.
Where's a wahambulance when you need one. The group loses a propagandist on their behalf - that's why they're pissed. All the rest is window dressing.
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:10:31am |
re: #551 Spare O'Lake
Too bad there isn't a third party which combines the best of the other two.
| 555 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:11:18am |
Stormfront Nazis are thrilled with Fox News' new pro-White conspiracy....
Black Panther Voter Intimidation Story Exploding on Fox
The infamous Black Panther video showing them threatening white voters with deadly weapons in the 2008 election was the basis of a voting rights voter intimidation case that has been swept under the rug by the Obama administration. Now the story is taking off and Fox News is leading the charge. The story is spreading and will not go away.I know lots of us have problems with Fox, but it is doing great work on this son. In addition to showing the voter intimidation at the polls, they are showing the other video of this Negro talking about how the blacks have to kill white people and white babies to achieve their "freedom." Good fortune is where you find it.
...
Ive been pleasantly surprised with Fox, when attorney Adams made his accusations I honestly thought "Yeah, they will mention it once or twice then bring it up again". I was wrong, they are staying on it, but I wont hold my breath.Some normally neocon talk radio shows are also sticking with the story, and I hope they continue.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:11:39am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
Get ready, the wingnuts are gonna love this: Poll: 55% Of Likely Voters Think Obama's A Socialist
Not surprising. Clinton was also called a "socialist" except the rhetoric wasn't ramped up to 10 back then.
In fact, in that video of Tom Tancredo on your Pages, he goes after Clinton, comparing his presidency to one of those scary times, like the rise of communism or the American civil war (which apparently Tancredo remembers). Nevermind that Clinton presided over one of the best economic times in this country's history. Damn socialists.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:11:59am |
re: #554 Boogberg
Too bad there isn't a third party which combines the best of the other two.
My wife made this point talking about politics last weekend at the Fourth of July parade. I was explaining to her that I have no idea who to vote for this year, as on the left there's big-government spenders, and on the right there's completely unhinged anti-government wackjobs. She said to me, "Why can't there just be someone in the middle?" A good question indeed.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:16:30am |
re: #556 marjoriemoon
Not surprising. Clinton was also called a "socialist" except the rhetoric wasn't ramped up to 10 back then.
In fact, in that video of Tom Tancredo on your Pages, he goes after Clinton, comparing his presidency to one of those scary times, like the rise of communism or the American civil war (which apparently Tancredo remembers). Nevermind that Clinton presided over one of the best economic times in this country's history. Damn socialists.
Thanks. I don't recall the allegation of socialism from the Clinton years but I was young and stoned at the time.
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cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:16:41am |
Mornin', jokers. What's up with the f-ing lawhawk love-fest this morning?
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:17:58am |
Looks like it might be time to sell a covered call on my Goldman shares. :D
| 561 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:18:10am |
re: #557 thedopefishlives
My wife made this point talking about politics last weekend at the Fourth of July parade. I was explaining to her that I have no idea who to vote for this year, as on the left there's big-government spenders, and on the right there's completely unhinged anti-government wackjobs. She said to me, "Why can't there just be someone in the middle?" A good question indeed.
When societies polarize, the middle gets eaten up by the two extremes. After which they tend to collectively take leave of reality, as we're seeing right now in the U.S.
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garhighway Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:18:35am |
re: #551 Spare O'Lake
A quick review of the poll itself indicates that notwithstanding the GOP's rudderless and scary direction, the Dems are very seriously in the dumper.
I'm not sure which thing this poll demonstrates: the general populace's ignorance at the meaning of the word "socialist", or the effectiveness of the GOP slime machine.
The GOP may look rudderless, but on the simplest points they have remained on message, even if the message is simplistic and a bit weird: socialism, death panels, anti-science, fear the gays, and cut taxes.
| 563 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:19:42am |
re: #559 cliffster
Mornin', jokers. What's up with the f-ing lawhawk love-fest this morning?
We love him.
You got a problem with that? (balling up fists)
| 564 |
cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:22:35am |
re: #563 marjoriemoon
We love him.
You got a problem with that? (balling up fists)
Damn New Yorkers.. ;)
| 565 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:23:55am |
re: #564 cliffster
Damn New Yorkers.. ;)
hehe... ok just a drive-by for me. Catch up to you lizards later.
| 566 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:26:24am |
Happy Friday, everyone. Foggy up here on the mountain...but I do need to take the dogs for a walk before I go to work.
| 567 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:28:01am |
| 568 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:29:05am |
re: #559 cliffster
Mornin', jokers. What's up with the f-ing lawhawk love-fest this morning?
He's a lawyer. He'll sue us if we don't upding.
| 569 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:29:17am |
I don't post much, particularly this time of day when I should be working, but I found this guy interesting -
GOP leaders let demagogues set tone, lawmaker says
"I think we have a lot of leaders that are following those (television and talk radio) personalities and not leading," he said. "What it takes to lead is to say, 'You know, that's just not right.'"
| 570 |
prairiefire Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:29:38am |
Good morning, lizards. Crazy, running around day here.
My mum saw President Obama yesterday. She left a message on my answering machine with the following adjectives: super, superb, fantastic, exemplary.
She is an energized Democratic voter.
I missed watching the motorcade on the highway by a few minutes. Maybe another time in the next 6 and 1/2 years.
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:30:28am |
re: #559 cliffster
Mornin', jokers. What's up with the f-ing lawhawk love-fest this morning?
Beats me. I didn't even see that until you pointed it out. I'm flattered by those who think my musings are decent.
Ice:
I was probably classical liberal years back, but I probably fall into neo-liberal at this point. And I'm internationalist by choice. Isolationism - whether it's coming from the left or the right (which is the dominant strain at the moment) leads to bad jobu for the rest of the world.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:36:13am |
Quiet Friday so far. Financial close completed with minimum fuss. And this is a co-worker's last day here before he picks up a new job over in southern New Jersey. So our little IT support group is headed out for cheesesteaks at lunch and then who knows from there...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:37:55am |
re: #571 lawhawk
Isolationism - whether it's coming from the left or the right (which is the dominant strain at the moment) leads to bad jobu for the rest of the world.
Too bad more people don't realize that. It seems that the nutjobs are trying hard to project that anything short of pure isolationism is imperialist expansionism, but there is certainly a happy medium to be had. America has fulfilled and enjoyed that role for many years.
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blueraven Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:39:01am |
re: #559 cliffster
Mornin', jokers. What's up with the f-ing lawhawk love-fest this morning?
Mornin cliffster. You gonna make it to Aquapalooza?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:39:52am |
re: #569 The Shadow Do
I don't post much, particularly this time of day when I should be working, but I found this guy interesting -
GOP leaders let demagogues set tone, lawmaker says
"I think we have a lot of leaders that are following those (television and talk radio) personalities and not leading," he said. "What it takes to lead is to say, 'You know, that's just not right.'"
Yeah, unfortunately he was voted out and will be leaving shortly. No sanity allowed.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:41:25am |
re: #570 prairiefire
Are you intending to do Tiny Town in the AM. Tuesday?
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:41:26am |
re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm expecting a "come back and bite you on the ass moment...".
Haha, what a knicklehead! Did you catch all his comments? Who would work for this clown?! James left money on the table by going to Miami.
Message recieved by many in the NBA, no doubt.
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:44:04am |
re: #577 Walter L. Newton
Hi, Walter. Yes we are. I was just going to Mapquest the directions from our condo.
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Slap Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:49:39am |
re: #551 Spare O'Lake
A quick review of the poll itself indicates that notwithstanding the GOP's rudderless and scary direction, the
Dems areelectorate is very seriously in the dumper.
Sadly, FTFY.
Mornin', all....
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:18am |
re: #573 oaktree
Hey...I followed your link to your photobucket page...have been checking out the tanks. Cool stuff. I especially like this one that shows how the plates of the body were welded together. I always wondered how they got those sharp angles...now I know.
Oh, the pic. (and the two direct hits it took are impressive...that had to have been something to experience)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:20am |
This just in. State between Indiana and Pennsylvania has renamed itself to "Olowo". After Lebron and Art Modell there is nothing to feel high about left in the state.
Entire city of Cleveland has threatened to end it all and jump into Lake Erie. This declaration has been greeted with general apathy, however environmentalists have expressed concern about the potential pollution of the lake that would result.
Due to depressive radius affecting nearby states Indiana has volunteered to burn 10 tons of marijuana and hope that the west wind helps mellow them out a bit. To be followed by extra shipments of beer and corn-based munchies.
;)
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:29am |
re: #579 prairiefire
Hi, Walter. Yes we are. I was just going to Mapquest the directions from our condo.
Ok... then here are some suggestions. You mention doing lunch at the Buck Snort, when we drive up Elk Creek Canyon. Well, the Elk Creek Canyon part of the tour is the very last part of the tour, so basically, we would be hitting the Buck Snort around 3-4 in the afternoon. So maybe we meet somewhere else for lunch after you do Tiny Town, or I catch up with you all after you have had lunch somewhere.
Some general information, if you want to get a preview or look up some background information... the tour covers.
1) The Platte River
2) The Denver, South Park and Pacific Narrow gauge railroad bed
3) The old Platte Hotel (a stagecoach stop)
4) The Harmon burn area (see what devastation and recovery of a forest fire is like)
5) Deckers Colorado
6) The oldest operation Mercantile in Colorado
7) Pine Colorado
8) Elk Creek Canyon
And various vistas and other things to see, stop, examine, explore.
Questions.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:43am |
Typical Salon headline (about the flotilla): It's official: Israel has gotten away with it -- again
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:59:49am |
re: #584 Walter L. Newton
I will check those places out online. Can you suggest a place to eat lunch around Tiny Town?
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:01:50am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
Typical Salon headline (about the flotilla): It's official: Israel has gotten away with it -- again
What's "it"? Protecting itself?
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:02:32am |
re: #586 prairiefire
I will check those places out online. Can you suggest a place to eat lunch around Tiny Town?
Avoid Rocky Mountain oysters.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:02:42am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:07am |
re: #586 prairiefire
I will check those places out online. Can you suggest a place to eat lunch around Tiny Town?
What would you be looking for... standard burger and fries, or pizza, or something like that.
Truthfully, I would continue up 285 south to Conifer (where you will be starting from anyway, where I live) and eat at J.J. Madwells, pizza, Italian, really good NY style pizza.
And, along 285 in Conifer, we have everything else from Wendys to BBQ and burger places... don't eat Chinese in Conifer.
Where ever you eat, you'll have do it in Conifer (really the only place with a variety of places to eat up hill from Tiny Town, and the place were we will be starting our trek from anyway).
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:55am |
re: #559 cliffster
Mornin', jokers. What's up with the f-ing lawhawk love-fest this morning?
i left my auto-upding on...i know it's a power drain, but it's just the right thing to do...
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:07:58am |
re: #589 Mad Al-Jaffee
Murdering "peace activists."
Who wanted those marbles to play a game of Ringo.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:08:46am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:09:37am |
re: #594 MandyManners
Ever seen a cookie sheet filled with them? Truly a sight to behold.
You fantasize that the ex's are among them, don't you?
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:12:53am |
re: #594 MandyManners
They may taste good for all I know. If I were to try one, I wouldn't want to know what it is ahead of time. :)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:13:04am |
re: #586 prairiefire
I will check those places out online. Can you suggest a place to eat lunch around Tiny Town?
Casa Bonita!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:13:27am |
re: #595 oaktree
You fantasize that the ex's are among them, don't you?
Nah. I got his left one mounted over one of my mantles.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:14:28am |
re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm expecting a "come back and bite you on the ass moment...".
Amazing...the 25yo who grew up without a father in abject poverty comes off looking like the grownup, and the gazillionaire team owner comes off looking like a whiny little boy.
That's why they call it FREE agency...because after having been assigned to a city by the draft, one has finally earned the freedom to choose one's team. So dude actually does what everyone always pines about, i.e. gives up millions in pursuit of a title, and there is gnashing of teeth.
I'm sad to see him go, too, but only for nostalgic reasons. Dude walked away from millions to win a title. How can I not respect that?
/sports mode off
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:14:48am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
Typical Salon headline (about the flotilla): It's official: Israel has gotten away with it -- again
Linky?
Is it an Opinion piece?
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:14:55am |
re: #596 Boogberg
They may taste good for all I know. If I were to try one, I wouldn't want to know what it is ahead of time. :)
Like the time I had menudo.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:16am |
re: #597 Mad Al-Jaffee
Casa Bonita!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That's not near Tiny Town... and I wouldn't recommend Casa Bonita to anyone. Worst industrial strength Mexican food in the world. It's in Lakewood, which is a suburb of Denver, about 45 miles from Tiny Town. Tiny Town is up Turkey Creek Canyon (state highway 285) in the foothills.
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Digital Display Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:16:26am |
re: #591 Walter L. Newton
I hear Beujo's pizza is awesome there
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:20:23am |
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:21:49am |
re: #591 Walter L. Newton
Ok, we will go on up to Conifer for the pizza at JJ Madwell's.
I have your phone number and we will call you on Sunday to let you know we made it to CO.
From Mapquest, it looks like it will be about 70 minutes from Lake Dillon to Tiny Town. Does that sound right?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:23:40am |
re: #603 HoosierHoops
I hear Beujo's pizza is awesome there
If you like yuppie pizza... they do all the thick crust stuff with all the yuppie toppings... things that g-d never deemed to be natural on top of pizza. And they cook it in wood fired ovens... I'm not saying it's bad or anything, but I prefer a more traditional pizza.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:24:01am |
re: #605 prairiefire
Ok, we will go on up to Conifer for the pizza at JJ Madwell's.
I have your phone number and we will call you on Sunday to let you know we made it to CO.
From Mapquest, it looks like it will be about 70 minutes from Lake Dillon to Tiny Town. Does that sound right?
Yep.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:25:58am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:25:59am |
re: #605 prairiefire
Ok, we will go on up to Conifer for the pizza at JJ Madwell's.
I have your phone number and we will call you on Sunday to let you know we made it to CO.
From Mapquest, it looks like it will be about 70 minutes from Lake Dillon to Tiny Town. Does that sound right?
If you intend doing Interstate 70 east (like heading back to Denver) to Colorado 74 in Evergreen and then cut across to Conifer taking 74.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:26:05am |
re: #602 Walter L. Newton
That's not near Tiny Town... and I wouldn't recommend Casa Bonita to anyone. Worst industrial strength Mexican food in the world. It's in Lakewood, which is a suburb of Denver, about 45 miles from Tiny Town. Tiny Town is up Turkey Creek Canyon (state highway 285) in the foothills.
But it's Cartman's favorite restaurant!
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:27:48am |
re: #608 MandyManners
About the author, Alex Kane.
Alex Kane is a 21-year-old college student, journalist and blogger based in New York City. He is a reporter for the Indypendent, and a frequent contributor to Mondoweiss. His articles have also appeared in Common Dreams, Electronic Intifada, Extra! and Palestine Chronicle.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:28:54am |
re: #610 Mad Al-Jaffee
But it's Cartman's favorite restaurant!
And Cartman lives in SOuth Park, which is really Conifer Colorado, where I live, and he's not real, he's a cartoon character... er... and I'm not real.
| 613 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:30:10am |
Mearsheimer says Goldstone was too soft on Israel.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:31:01am |
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webevintage Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:32:16am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
Get ready, the wingnuts are gonna love this: Poll: 55% Of Likely Voters Think Obama's A Socialist
You know, this shows that the crazy works...I weep for this country...
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:33:12am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:35:37am |
re: #615 webevintage
You know, this shows that the crazy works...I weep for this country...
The poll is by ultra-conservative James Carville... it's got to be wrong. Or is crazy the new lefts word for "informed?" If you can't say something nice about the American public, smear them... works every time.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:35:40am |
re: #616 MandyManners
Shock! He's a Jew-hating Prog.
Why must you do that, Mandy? What's the attraction?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:36:27am |
re: #611 MandyManners
About the author, Alex Kane.
Alex Kane is a 21-year-old college student, journalist and blogger based in New York City. He is a reporter for the Indypendent, and a frequent contributor to Mondoweiss. His articles have also appeared in Common Dreams, Electronic Intifada, Extra! and Palestine Chronicle.
The only things that a 21-yr old could produce of interest to me are athletic, musical or computational. That's what i love to hate about 'journalists'...like most everyone, they think that they have an especially trenchant take on life. Unlike most everyone, they're the D students of the world.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:37:11am |
re: #619 Obdicut
Why must you do that, Mandy? What's the attraction?
did you even sleep last night? you were working forever...
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:38:24am |
re: #622 Aceofwhat?
did you even sleep last night? you were working forever...
I got like.. two and a half hours. I need to make some calls and sort a few things out and then hopefully I can head back to sleep for a bit.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:38:36am |
re: #619 Obdicut
Why must you do that, Mandy? What's the attraction?
Er... words like right winger, wingnut, radical right, as Webevintage coined a phrase "crazy works"... any number of reasons to hit back with similar disparaging term. Some people like to do that. You know any?
| 625 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:42:11am |
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:43:14am |
re: #624 Walter L. Newton
Why do you even bother making such a nothing of an argument? You think anyone at all will be convinced?
Prog means 'progressive'. They're an actual subgroup in the 'liberal' wing, though you don't catch anyone using the term 'prog' actually discerning between progressives and non-progressives. The equivalent comparison would be 'neo-con', for example, another term which was widely misapplied and was spoken by those on the left with confused contempt.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:44:47am |
re: #621 Aceofwhat?
The only things that a 21-yr old could produce of interest to me are athletic, musical or computational. That's what i love to hate about 'journalists'...like most everyone, they think that they have an especially trenchant take on life. Unlike most everyone, they're the D students of the world.
Yeah, I'd trust LeBron James' Weltanschauung more than I would Kane's.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:46:08am |
re: #626 Obdicut
How about reading the links to the sites for which Kane writes? Mondoweiis. Common Dreams. Electric Intfifada. Et bloody cet.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:46:40am |
re: #626 Obdicut
Why do you even bother making such a nothing of an argument? You think anyone at all will be convinced?
Prog means 'progressive'. They're an actual subgroup in the 'liberal' wing, though you don't catch anyone using the term 'prog' actually discerning between progressives and non-progressives. The equivalent comparison would be 'neo-con', for example, another term which was widely misapplied and was spoken by those on the left with confused contempt.
I think Mandy can call anyone anything she like... you think you constant harping on her use of the word is going to stop her from using it? Why do you even bother making such a nothing of a complaint?
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:46:50am |
re: #608 MandyManners
Author:
Alex Kane is a 21-year-old college student, journalist and blogger based in New York City. He is a reporter for the Indypendent, and a frequent contributor to Mondoweiss. His articles have also appeared in Common Dreams, Electronic Intifada, Extra! and Palestine Chronicle.
A wet-behind-the-ears youngster. Dare I say Moonbat?
For Salon to give him and his slanted opinion piece space on their website is at least tacit approval.
Fail.
| 631 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:47:57am |
re: #630 Ericus58
Author:
Alex Kane is a 21-year-old college student, journalist and blogger based in New York City. He is a reporter for the Indypendent, and a frequent contributor to Mondoweiss. His articles have also appeared in Common Dreams, Electronic Intifada, Extra! and Palestine Chronicle.A wet-behind-the-ears youngster. Dare I say Moonbat?
For Salon to give him and his slanted opinion piece space on their website is at least tacit approval.Fail.
Why must you do that, Ericus58? What's the attraction? Using the word Moonbat?
///
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:48:09am |
Speaking of James, the last boy has gone home. The Kid had a slumber party last night centered around LeBron James. If I never hear another dribbled ball again, I'll die happy.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:48:50am |
re: #630 Ericus58
Author:
Alex Kane is a 21-year-old college student, journalist and blogger based in New York City. He is a reporter for the Indypendent, and a frequent contributor to Mondoweiss. His articles have also appeared in Common Dreams, Electronic Intifada, Extra! and Palestine Chronicle.A wet-behind-the-ears youngster. Dare I say Moonbat?
For Salon to give him and his slanted opinion piece space on their website is at least tacit approval.Fail.
Read the shit at Mondoweiss!
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:50:52am |
re: #628 MandyManners
How about reading the links to the sites for which Kane writes? Mondoweiis. Common Dreams. Electric Intfifada. Et bloody cet.
Can you actually make an argument, Mandy? That isn't one.
As I said: The way you use 'prog' so blindly to refer to so many on the left is just as blind and foolish as those who called people like Ron Paul 'neo-cons'.
What is the point of inaccurately insulting progressives the way you do?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:52:18am |
re: #632 MandyManners
Speaking of James, the last boy has gone home. The Kid had a slumber party last night centered around LeBron James. If I never hear another dribbled ball again, I'll die happy.
Am I the only one here who barely heard of James until a couple of days ago? Over half of my FB friends were commenting about him this week, and I kind of knew he was a basketball player, but not much else about him.
| 636 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:54:44am |
re: #634 Obdicut
Can you actually make an argument, Mandy? That isn't one.
As I said: The way you use 'prog' so blindly to refer to so many on the left is just as blind and foolish as those who called people like Ron Paul 'neo-cons'.
What is the point of inaccurately insulting progressives the way you do?
I don't think I've ever met anyone who called themselves "progressive" who wasn't very far left.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:55:36am |
re: #635 Mad Al-Jaffee
Am I the only one here who barely heard of James until a couple of days ago? Over half of my FB friends were commenting about him this week, and I kind of knew he was a basketball player, but not much else about him.
The Kid's a huge fan of James, and of Carmello Anthony.
| 638 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:56:31am |
re: #634 Obdicut
Can you actually make an argument, Mandy? That isn't one.
As I said: The way you use 'prog' so blindly to refer to so many on the left is just as blind and foolish as those who called people like Ron Paul 'neo-cons'.
What is the point of inaccurately insulting progressives the way you do?
Who says I need to make an argument?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:56:54am |
re: #637 MandyManners
The Kid's a huge fan of James, and of Carmello Anthony.
I was once on a flight and the co-pilot looked just like Kareem Abdul Jabar!
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:58:08am |
If you only buy organically grown veggies, you might be a progressive.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:58:49am |
re: #634 Obdicut
Can you actually make an argument, Mandy? That isn't one.
As I said: The way you use 'prog' so blindly to refer to so many on the left is just as blind and foolish as those who called people like Ron Paul 'neo-cons'.
What is the point of inaccurately insulting progressives the way you do?
Obdi, rather than your continued focus only on the word Prog and it's use here - and as been shown by Walter the terms used freely here to label the Right - what do you think of the website's Mandy referenced that this young writer contributes to?
Just as I pass over the labels thrown at the Right, perhaps you could do the same. Labels only define us if WE either allow them to are idenitifiy with them.
I'm not baiting, just my opinion.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:58:58am |
re: #636 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't think I've ever met anyone who called themselves "progressive" who wasn't very far left.
Left and right aren't simply scalar values, where if you go left enough you're 'progressive'. Progressivism is close to a counterpart to reactionarianism; Teddy Roosevelt was progressive.
It's main coherent meaning is seeking reform of laws based on the idea that modernization has changed society and government; that, for example, the modern scale of capitalism has fundamentally changed the outputs of capitalism and its interaction with the political system.
| 643 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:59:42am |
re: #639 Mad Al-Jaffee
I was once on a flight and the co-pilot looked just like Kareem Abdul Jabar!
You ever seen a grown man naked?
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:59:47am |
re: #638 MandyManners
Who says I need to make an argument?
You don't, Mandy. You can simply keep using a word for a political stance that includes Teddy Roosevelt as a slur.
But why would you want to?
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:00:04am |
re: #636 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't think I've ever met anyone who called themselves "progressive" who wasn't very far left.
I'm a progressive. I see that as a positive thing. The irony of using "prog" as a negative is that you set yourself up as a "reg" (or regressive). I think the addition of "Jew-hating" is more vile than the use of "prog" itself, as it shows the same level of Christian values as the filthy "ni--er loving" does.
| 646 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:00:17am |
re: #640 Boogberg
If you only buy organically grown veggies, you might be a progressive.
Or, you might have money to burn. Those things aren't cheap.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:00:45am |
re: #645 darthstar
I'm a progressive. I see that as a positive thing. The irony of using "prog" as a negative is that you set yourself up as a "reg" (or regressive). I think the addition of "Jew-hating" is more vile than the use of "prog" itself, as it shows the same level of Christian values as the filthy "ni--er loving" does.
Quite concur.
| 648 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:01:11am |
re: #642 Obdicut
Left and right aren't simply scalar values, where if you go left enough you're 'progressive'. Progressivism is close to a counterpart to reactionarianism; Teddy Roosevelt was progressive.
It's main coherent meaning is seeking reform of laws based on the idea that modernization has changed society and government; that, for example, the modern scale of capitalism has fundamentally changed the outputs of capitalism and its interaction with the political system.
Whatever. Most liberals I know call themselves progressives.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:01:12am |
re: #644 Obdicut
You don't, Mandy. You can simply keep using a word for a political stance that includes Teddy Roosevelt as a slur.
But why would you want to?
LOL!
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Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:02:50am |
re: #646 MandyManners
Yeah no kidding. You damn sure ain't doing without, that's for sure.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:03:20am |
Gotta' go tidy up the kitchen. I scrambled 18 eggs this morning and fried a whole package of bacon and roll of sausage. Not to mention all that fruit. And, toast. Half a loaf. Gotta' love those growing boys.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:04:46am |
re: #641 Ericus58
- what do you think of the website's Mandy referenced that this young writer contributes to?
I've seen some terribly stupid crap hosted on Common Dreams, and never heard of the other ones-- they look like anti-Zionist websites at a quick glance. Electronic intifada is offensive on name alone.
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Ebetty Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:06:24am |
re: #651 MandyManners
Good morning! Sleep overs here are filled with girls, girls, girls. Flour and drips of batter seem to explode. Hope you are having a fabulous day. All is well here.
Time to catch up on the thread, then duck out for a run.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:06:28am |
re: #642 Obdicut
Left and right aren't simply scalar values, where if you go left enough you're 'progressive'. Progressivism is close to a counterpart to reactionarianism; Teddy Roosevelt was progressive.
It's main coherent meaning is seeking reform of laws based on the idea that modernization has changed society and government; that, for example, the modern scale of capitalism has fundamentally changed the outputs of capitalism and its interaction with the political system.
I would submit that a Progressive during Teddy's day is not the same as a Progressive is thought of and identified as in today's world.
| 656 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:07:23am |
re: #619 Obdicut
Why must you do that, Mandy? What's the attraction?
I'm not going to defend Mandy's use of the term "prog", because I don't particularly like it, it's not my style (nor yours either, Obdi).
But I would suggest there are tons of negative terms thrown around in some threads to describe conservatives, and precious little objection to it.
Just sayin'.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:08:05am |
re: #655 Ericus58
I would submit that a Progressive during Teddy's day is not the same as a Progressive is thought of and identified as in today's world.
Of course it's not the same. If we're going to start carping about accuracy, that is my whole damn point, isn't it?
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:09:18am |
re: #657 Obdicut
Of course it's not the same. If we're going to start carping about accuracy, that is my whole damn point, isn't it?
Then to say it use today is a slur against Teddy is incorrect.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:10:26am |
re: #656 reine.de.tout
The only term I can think of that's used in such a disparaging way is "teabagger"-- which is also something I don't do-- and I've certainly spoken up when people who aren't actually Tea Party types have been labeled as such. As I said, neo-con, back in the day, was something that a lot of the 'left' used as their catch-all for conservative, and it was just as stupid.
I do not see the point of being insulting just for the sake of being insulting. I never have.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:12:46am |
Obdicut, I'm going to step away from this subject. I think you are running on little sleep and I'm not trying to be a burr under your saddle. Peace.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:12:54am |
re: #659 Ericus58
Then to say it use today is a slur against Teddy is incorrect.
The basic nature of what a progressive is hasn't changed since Teddy Roosevelt's day; it's still defined by a reaction to the way that modernization, industrialization, mass communication, etc. has changed the political reality of the world. Because those things themselves have changed, and because progressives of the past like Teddy Roosevelt won so many victories, progressives today focus on different things than Teddy Roosevelt did. That doesn't mean the basic meaning has changed.
A feminist of today and a feminist of the suffragette movement are very different, too.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:13:36am |
re: #660 Obdicut
The only term I can think of that's used in such a disparaging way is "teabagger"-- which is also something I don't do-- and I've certainly spoken up when people who aren't actually Tea Party types have been labeled as such. As I said, neo-con, back in the day, was something that a lot of the 'left' used as their catch-all for conservative, and it was just as stupid.
I do not see the point of being insulting just for the sake of being insulting. I never have.
Yea, but the teabaggers themselves are insulting. More than insulting, a good many of them are simply racists. I don't know how more insulting one can get.
I have no problem calling them teabaggers and making fun of them. Not one problem.
I also have no problem with "Prog". It just seems a shorthand of Progressive. Moonbat or libtard I can do without.
In fact, I think I'll go upding Miss Mandy.
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bratwurst Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:13:38am |
My main problem is the implication that "Progs" hate Israel by nature. I have personally never called myself "Progressive", but I certainly lean well to the left. I am also a Jew who regularly spends his time and money in Israel. Considering that a majority of American Jews voted for Obama, I don't feel like I am alone in being an Israel-loving Prog.
| 665 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:13:39am |
re: #661 Ericus58
Thank you, as always, for actually making a coherent argument that I can engage with, and for doing so politely.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:13:58am |
re: #657 Obdicut
Of course it's not the same. If we're going to start carping about accuracy, that is my whole damn point, isn't it?
Your whole damn point is overly pedantic... as reine.de.tout points out "But I would suggest there are tons of negative terms thrown around in some threads to describe conservatives, and precious little objection to it." I've been called a right winger, right here, yet I'm all over the damn political spectrum... I've objected to that classification... doesn't change a thing, does it.
| 667 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:14:54am |
re: #664 bratwurst
My main problem is the implication that "Progs" hate Israel by nature. I have personally never called myself "Progressive", but I certainly lean well to the left. I am also a Jew who regularly spends his time and money in Israel. Considering that a majority of American Jews voted for Obama, I don't feel like I am alone in being an Israel-loving Prog.
That is one of my main objections, as well. Progressivism has so very little to do with foreign policy, it's the equivalent of calling domestic positions 'neo-con'.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:15:34am |
re: #660 Obdicut
The only term I can think of that's used in such a disparaging way is "teabagger"-- which is also something I don't do-- and I've certainly spoken up when people who aren't actually Tea Party types have been labeled as such. As I said, neo-con, back in the day, was something that a lot of the 'left' used as their catch-all for conservative, and it was just as stupid.
I do not see the point of being insulting just for the sake of being insulting. I never have.
No, I know you don't do this, but others regularly do, and I suggest that it's possible you haven't noticed it because, well, the folks doing it are closer to your political persuasion than conservatives are and we all tend to be more forgiving of those with whom we agree.
The morning thread is frequently referred to as the morning Wingnut wave, which is an insult to every conservative who posts in the a.m. There are other insults thrown about regularly. And very little objection to the demeaning terms.
| 669 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:17:05am |
re: #667 Obdicut
That is one of my main objections, as well. Progressivism has so very little to do with foreign policy, it's the equivalent of calling domestic positions 'neo-con'.
Could you post us a list of acceptable negative naming conventions for both the left and right leaning levels of politics, including their corresponding scholarly designation?
| 670 |
prairiefire Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:17:36am |
re: #609 Walter L. Newton
If you intend doing Interstate 70 east (like heading back to Denver) to Colorado 74 in Evergreen and then cut across to Conifer taking 74.
Mapquest says I-70 E to CO-470 toward COLO SPGS. Merge onto CO-470E. Merge onto US-285S toward FIRPLAY. TURN LEFT ONTO S TURKEY CREEK RD/CR-122.
BBIAB
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:18:02am |
I'm probably the only one here who gets annoyed when the term "fundie" gets thrown around, and all fundamentalist Christians are labeled as close-minded bigots who are just waiting for the rapture. I have so-called "fundie" friends who live the way they want to and don't want to change anyone who has different beliefs. They also love stuff like South Park, The Onion, The Simpsons, etc.
| 672 |
Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:19:14am |
re: #663 marjoriemoon
I also have no problem with "Prog". It just seems a shorthand of Progressive. Moonbat or libtard I can do without.
In fact, I think I'll go upding Miss Mandy.
"Prog rock" is used to describe a certain genre of rock & roll, too. Not particularly offensive. Although some might think the genre is. :D
| 673 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:19:25am |
re: #651 MandyManners
Mandy you practically have your own squad to feed. My goodness!
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:21:22am |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
I use teabagger, but only in reference to self-described teabaggers/tea partiers. Sarah Palin is a teabagger. Glenn Beck is a teabagger. Sharron Angle is a teabagger. RndPaul() is a teabagger. John Boehner is an orange fucking asshole. See? One term can never be used to define everyone you disagree with, even on the best of days.
| 675 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:22:18am |
re: #672 Boogberg
"Prog rock" is used to describe a certain genre of rock & roll, too. Not particularly offensive. Although some might think the genre is. :D
I've never heard of Prog rock.
I don't know why liberals want to distance themselves from the word "liberal" which is what I think "progressive" was intended to do. We're not "liberal", we're "progressive". Maybe it's more hip, or a 21st century term or something, more PC.
I don't know. I think it's all bullshit if you ask me dammit. Back in my day, we called ourselves Liberals and WE LIKED IT! Ha!
| 676 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:22:35am |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
But Reine, 'wingnut' doesn't actually describe a real political philosophy that anyone would voluntarily belong to. That's my point. "Prog" does. It refers to progressives, who really are a self-identifying and real subset, in the same way 'neo-cons' were.
But 'prog', since it describes something that actually exists in a valid fashion, isn't remotely the same as wingnut or moonbat.
| 677 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:23:11am |
re: #670 prairiefire
Mapquest says I-70 E to CO-470 toward COLO SPGS. Merge onto CO-470E. Merge onto US-285S toward FIRPLAY. TURN LEFT ONTO S TURKEY CREEK RD/CR-122.
BBIAB
What? If you are in Dillon, which is off of I70, smack dab almost in the middle of the state, and Mapquest is suggesting that... you will be putting about 70 extra miles on your trip. Mapquest is suggesting that you go all the way down to the front range, travel about 12 miles along the front range (south) and then go BACK UP INTO THE MOUNTAINS to get to Tiny Town...
Look up this route... I70 east to Evergreen... Co 74 to Conifer... Co 285 north (it's really east at this point, but the general route direction of 285 is north/south) going down hill a bit to Tiny Town.
Then after you visit Tiny Town, you will do CO 285 South, climbing up to Conifer and stop at JJ Maxwells for lunch, where we can meet.
Look up those routes.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:23:23am |
re: #669 Walter L. Newton
Could you post us a list of acceptable negative naming conventions for both the left and right leaning levels of politics, including their corresponding scholarly designation?
I prefer to be called a "pie-eyed peace pussy"...in fact, I'm thinking of having it added to my business cards at work if the boss thinks it's professional enough.
| 679 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:23:25am |
re: #656 reine.de.tout
I'm not going to defend Mandy's use of the term "prog", because I don't particularly like it, it's not my style (nor yours either, Obdi).
But I would suggest there are tons of negative terms thrown around in some threads to describe conservatives, and precious little objection to it.
Just sayin'.
Exactly. Never a peep of protest when teh ebil right is being demonised, but heaven forbid anyone should mention progressives or liberals in other than admiration.
| 680 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:23:30am |
re: #675 marjoriemoon
The progressive movement is very distinct from mainstream liberalism, though. It isn't just another word for 'liberal'.
| 681 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:33am |
re: #678 darthstar
I prefer to be called a "pie-eyed peace pussy"...in fact, I'm thinking of having it added to my business cards at work if the boss thinks it's professional enough.
Good start to my list... but you need to give me the accepted term too, I want a cross reference of slams and actual scholarly terms.
A close (and no dead) professional magician friend of mine, Don Alan, had business cards that said "Sophisticated Sorcery" and then in paran's (no shitty tricks)... in the 50's-60's that got him a lot of notice... and bookings.
| 682 |
Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:46am |
re: #675 marjoriemoon
Music from groups like Yes was considered progressive or "prog rock" back in the day.
| 683 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:51am |
re: #676 Obdicut
But Reine, 'wingnut' doesn't actually describe a real political philosophy that anyone would voluntarily belong to. That's my point. "Prog" does. It refers to progressives, who really are a self-identifying and real subset, in the same way 'neo-cons' were.
But 'prog', since it describes something that actually exists in a valid fashion, isn't remotely the same as wingnut or moonbat.
Oh stop splitting hairs, it's ridiculous. Wingnut is far more offensive than prog which is just an abbreviation of progressive. Should we say "peace be upon him" with every mention of a liberal or progressive now?
| 684 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:52am |
re: #679 Bagua
Can you explain your objection to what I said in my post 676, Bagua?
| 685 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:56am |
re: #679 Bagua
Exactly. Never a peep of protest when teh ebil right is being demonised, but heaven forbid anyone should mention progressives or liberals in other than admiration.
Oh please. For about 6 years, the liberals were driven into the ground here with every name you can imagine and Prog was the very least of it. In fact, I would have preferred Prog to what the wackos here used.
Cry me a river baby.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:56am |
re: #680 Obdicut
The progressive movement is very distinct from mainstream liberalism, though. It isn't just another word for 'liberal'.
Yes, but good luck explaining that to someone who isn't even thinking about what a word means and is just throwing it out there as a quick insult and dismissal.
| 687 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:27:17am |
re: #674 darthstar
I use teabagger, but only in reference to self-described teabaggers/tea partiers. Sarah Palin is a teabagger. Glenn Beck is a teabagger. Sharron Angle is a teabagger. RndPaul() is a teabagger. John Boehner is an orange fucking asshole. See? One term can never be used to define everyone you disagree with, even on the best of days.
I use teabagger myself.
And specific insults toward specific public figures aren't problematic.
I'm simply echoing, from the other side, Obdi's very reasonable objection to people using broad-brush terms
| 688 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:27:24am |
re: #656 reine.de.tout
Hi
Labels like that, mild insults really, are intended to dismiss a point of view without serious review. Sure when a troll comes calling that makes some sense. But among us regulars, the labeling is at best... umm unhelpful. One of the best reasons to discuss things here is we attack the points or the logic or the source much more than one another. I guess there was one the other night that got really hot, glad I missed that.
IMO
Like a a lot of labels they acceptable with a smile and harsh in a flame post. Simple shorthand is common here though so while Libtard or wingnut is an insult, prog and right winger need not be. As I read them anyway.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:28:13am |
re: #676 Obdicut
But Reine, 'wingnut' doesn't actually describe a real political philosophy that anyone would voluntarily belong to. That's my point. "Prog" does. It refers to progressives, who really are a self-identifying and real subset, in the same way 'neo-cons' were.
But 'prog', since it describes something that actually exists in a valid fashion, isn't remotely the same as wingnut or moonbat.
*sigh*
OK, then.
Your opinion, and you are welcome to it.
I see it a bit differently.
| 690 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:28:30am |
re: #683 Bagua
My point is exactly that, Bagua. Prog is not just a shortening of 'progressive', it is the word 'progressive' rendered inaccurately as an insult.
| 691 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:28:50am |
re: #679 Bagua
Exactly. Never a peep of protest when teh ebil right is being demonised, but heaven forbid anyone should mention progressives or liberals in other than admiration.
No kidding... like the tweet I got that said "Fuck the AM wingnut wave" If you are conservative and post in the mornings around here, that's what some people think of you.
| 692 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:28:55am |
re: #682 Boogberg
Music from groups like Yes was considered progressive or "prog rock" back in the day.
Yes has some great jams. I highly recommend burning a fatty and listening to Relayer.
| 693 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:29:02am |
re: #682 Boogberg
Love that genre. Anyone remember Gray Lady Down? (Not the movie)
| 694 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:29:19am |
re: #684 Obdicut
Can you explain your objection to what I said in my post 676, Bagua?
Yes. 679 and 683
| 695 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:29:25am |
re: #680 Obdicut
The progressive movement is very distinct from mainstream liberalism, though. It isn't just another word for 'liberal'.
Guess it just depends on what year you're talking about.
[Link: www.u-s-history.com...]
What distinguishes Progressives from mere Liberals?
| 696 |
cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:29:33am |
re: #656 reine.de.tout
I'm not going to defend Mandy's use of the term "prog", because I don't particularly like it, it's not my style (nor yours either, Obdi).
But I would suggest there are tons of negative terms thrown around in some threads to describe conservatives, and precious little objection to it.
Just sayin'.
People throw around condescending, snarky insults at conservatives with impunity, then gush with indignant anger if one dare say something negative about liberal/prog/whatever. I've seen it here as well as everywhere else.. it's always been that way.
| 697 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:30:23am |
re: #690 Obdicut
My point is exactly that, Bagua. Prog is not just a shortening of 'progressive', it is the word 'progressive' rendered inaccurately as an insult.
Ok... I vote let's use it as an inaccurate insult.
| 698 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:30:23am |
re: #685 marjoriemoon
Oh please. For about 6 years, the liberals were driven into the ground here with every name you can imagine and Prog was the very least of it. In fact, I would have preferred Prog to what the wackos here used.
Cry me a river baby.
Turn about is fair play, eh?
I didn't use those negative terms, that I can recall.
And honestly, Marjorie, isn't that a bit childish?
| 699 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:30:29am |
re: #689 reine.de.tout
Do you understand what I mean by the usage of 'prog' being similar to the usage of 'neo-con' by those on the 'left' under G.W. Bush? Especially when applied to domestic policies, there were all sorts of conservatives who weren't in the least neo-con being called neo-con. In fact, a lot of social conservatives were labelled as such.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:30:40am |
Progressive Rock:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:31:47am |
re: #698 reine.de.tout
Turn about is fair play, eh?
I didn't use those negative terms, that I can recall.
And honestly, Marjorie, isn't that a bit childish?
Maybe if it was leveled at you for all that time you wouldn't think it childish.
Yep, turn about is definitely fair play.
| 702 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:31:54am |
re: #696 cliffster
it's always been that way.
This seems kind of at odds with the history of LGF that others have mentioned, Cliffster.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:32:02am |
re: #685 marjoriemoon
Oh please. For about 6 years, the liberals were driven into the ground here with every name you can imagine and Prog was the very least of it. In fact, I would have preferred Prog to what the wackos here used.
Cry me a river baby.
I'm talking about the current group, not years ago. I agree liberals were harped on in the past, now it has swung the other way. I was one of the few who would agree with avanti back in the day for example, which gives me perfect justification in calling out the same on the left.
| 704 |
cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:32:34am |
| 705 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:32:46am |
re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee
Progressive Rock:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Wow Jethro Tull is in there! I had no idea I was so hip!
| 706 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:32am |
re: #690 Obdicut
My point is exactly that, Bagua. Prog is not just a shortening of 'progressive', it is the word 'progressive' rendered inaccurately as an insult.
No kidding. People like to make little derisive statements about their political opponents, haven't you noticed that? Why should one side only be off limits?
| 707 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:44am |
re: #699 Obdicut
Do you understand what I mean by the usage of 'prog' being similar to the usage of 'neo-con' by those on the 'left' under G.W. Bush? Especially when applied to domestic policies, there were all sorts of conservatives who weren't in the least neo-con being called neo-con. In fact, a lot of social conservatives were labelled as such.
And do you understand that it is being used as an insult to the WHOLE left, and evidently it's working since you and others are so bothered about it.
I didn't see you sticking up for some sort of accuracy when people label conservatives as "wacky right," wingnuts" or radical right.
I know if I want to throw some invectives around, I am not as concerned with accuracy as much as I am concern with the reaction it gets.
I'm not even saying it's a good idea to be using any of these terms, accurate or not. But the bottom line is they are used, and... so what? Man up.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:44am |
re: #699 Obdicut
Do you understand what I mean by the usage of 'prog' being similar to the usage of 'neo-con' by those on the 'left' under G.W. Bush? Especially when applied to domestic policies, there were all sorts of conservatives who weren't in the least neo-con being called neo-con. In fact, a lot of social conservatives were labelled as such.
I understand that you saw "prog" as an insult, and took issue with it, probably reasonably.
I'm suggesting we should all avoid insulting with broad brush insults as much as possible, and that objections could perhaps be raised with those who do it the other way.
You see it differently, apparently. OK.
| 709 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:52am |
re: #695 marjoriemoon
There have been time periods where mainstream liberals were highly progressive-- like under FDR. But it's always been a subset.
The health care debate showed this, I think, better than most; the solutions adopted which were tolerable to the majority of Democrats were very, very insufficient to please progressives.
| 710 |
cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:34:11am |
re: #702 Obdicut
This seems kind of at odds with the history of LGF that others have mentioned, Cliffster.
Well after all, there are things outside LGF. Like I said, I've seen it everywhere and it's always been that way.
| 711 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:35:38am |
re: #703 Bagua
I'm talking about the current group, not years ago. I agree liberals were harped on in the past, now it has swung the other way. I was one of the few who would agree with avanti back in the day for example, which gives me perfect justification in calling out the same on the left.
I think we may just be bored or without topics and are getting a little picky. I tend to overlook a lot of that terminology and try to get to a person's point. Certainly in order to stay here and contribute back then I had to.
| 712 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:35:55am |
re: #640 Boogberg
If you only buy organically grown veggies, you might be a progressive.
On a more serious note, it depends on the item. if you aren't eating the skin, it's not worth the extra cost (assuming it costs extra...sometimes a sale makes it even). bananas, oranges...feh.
OTOH, celery, carrots, cucumbers, apples, etc. are worth buying organic.
just my .02
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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:36:34am |
This Haarertz news item made my mind reel! I can't believe Obama would say this
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
"During the interview Wednesday, when confronted with the anxiety that some Israelis feel toward him, Obama said that "some of it may just be the fact that my middle name is Hussein, and that creates suspicion."
"Ironically, I've got a Chief of Staff named Rahm Israel Emmanuel. My top political advisor is somebody who is a descendent of Holocaust survivors. My closeness to the Jewish American community was probably what propelled me to the U.S. Senate," Obama said. "
(i.e., some of my best friends are Jewish)
Of course, his first name is a cognate for "Baruch" which means "blessed" in Hebrew.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:36:44am |
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:37:20am |
re: #696 cliffster
People throw around condescending, snarky insults at conservatives with impunity, then gush with indignant anger if one dare say something negative about liberal/prog/whatever. I've seen it here as well as everywhere else.. it's always been that way.
Yeeeah...and no. I think most liberals are okay with 'moonbat' as a snarky insult because it's just kind of funny, as 'wingnut' is for ultra-conservatives. "Jew-hating prog" is actually more akin to the level of discourse we heard from bigots in the KKK (though they used "Jew-loving" and "ni--er loving" as slurs for liberals)...either way, it's using the word "Jew" as part of a slur. Tying it to 'prog' - which isn't actually a negative (at least to this prog) is just kind of pathetic, in my opinion.
Mostly, however, snarky insults don't offend anyone, really.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:37:39am |
No one will touch Darth's comment about the nastiness of the original Mandy post: Shock! He's a Jew-Hating Prog.
Nasty broad brush insult. But no, the fixation is on the Prog part. Again.
Initiated by Mandy who of course has to 'git.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:38:17am |
re: #711 marjoriemoon
I think we may just be bored or without topics and are getting a little picky. I tend to overlook a lot of that terminology and try to get to a person's point. Certainly in order to stay here and contribute back then I had to.
Same here.
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Kragar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:39:00am |
re: #695 marjoriemoon
Guess it just depends on what year you're talking about.
[Link: www.u-s-history.com...]
What distinguishes Progressives from mere Liberals?
I believe it has something to do with the dorsal ridge and bite radius.
| 719 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:39:21am |
re: #708 reine.de.tout
I'm suggesting we should all avoid insulting with broad brush insults as much as possible, and that objections could perhaps be raised with those who do it the other way.You see it differently, apparently. OK.
Of course i don't see it differently, Reine. Everyone should avoid insulting with broad brush insults as much as possible. But I don't see this as just a /right wing insult' 'left wing insult' thing.
Because, unlike 'wingnut' or 'moonbat', which do not actually exist as coherent political positions in their own right, progressivism does-- so using it as an insult is different, since you also insult any good, decent, self-identifying progressive, in the same way that using neo-con was different.
No one self-identifies as a moonbat or a wingnut, because they don't actually mean much of anything coherent.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:40:00am |
re: #709 Obdicut
There have been time periods where mainstream liberals were highly progressive-- like under FDR. But it's always been a subset.
The health care debate showed this, I think, better than most; the solutions adopted which were tolerable to the majority of Democrats were very, very insufficient to please progressives.
Quite honestly, I think all of the Democrats were disappointed in what healthcare reform turned out to be. We all felt it was watered down and no one was completely happy with what we got.
I see things very differently, apparently. I don't see the division. I think for the vast majority, we're on the same page, not counting the very fringes, but I don't really see them as useful contributors anyway.
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:40:10am |
re: #705 marjoriemoon
Jethro Tull is dead to me - no way they should even have been considered for best heavy metal group over Metallica (a cross I do bear and hold against the Grammys and Tull).
| 722 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:40:29am |
re: #716 Stanley Sea
No one will touch Darth's comment about the nastiness of the original Mandy post: Shock! He's a Jew-Hating Prog.
Nasty broad brush insult. But no, the fixation is on the Prog part. Again.
Initiated by Mandy who of course has to 'git.
how about "he's a jew-hating asshole"?
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:41:26am |
re: #720 marjoriemoon
I see things very differently, apparently. I don't see the division. I think for the vast majority, we're on the same page, not counting the very fringes, but I don't really see them as useful contributors anyway.
I see not just one, but a couple of large divides. Organized labor, for example, is not really in the 'progressive' camp any more.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:41:42am |
re: #713 reuven
This Haarertz news item made my mind reel! I can't believe Obama would say this
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
"During the interview Wednesday, when confronted with the anxiety that some Israelis feel toward him, Obama said that "some of it may just be the fact that my middle name is Hussein, and that creates suspicion."
"Ironically, I've got a Chief of Staff named Rahm Israel Emmanuel. My top political advisor is somebody who is a descendent of Holocaust survivors. My closeness to the Jewish American community was probably what propelled me to the U.S. Senate," Obama said. "
(i.e., some of my best friends are Jewish)
Of course, his first name is a cognate for "Baruch" which means "blessed" in Hebrew.
He's not too far off with the Hussein thing. At least it's a suspicion that he's entitled to since all of his detractors just LOVE to refer to him using his middle name.
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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:41:45am |
I sat down in front of the TV yesterday around 8:30 to do what I do every evening at 8:30--watch Jeopardy and TMZ both in 30 minutes (via judicious use of TiVo) and get my quota of daily TV watching in.
Imagine my disappointment when Jeopardy was pre-empted by live coverage of the Oakland non-riots. They had camera crews set up, etc, waiting for something to happen in Oakland. It wasn't a big loss, however, because it turns out it was "Kids week" and not regular jeopardy week.
(There was some violence, vandalism in Oakland later on. Police showed remarkable restraint in not arresting people who were throwing stones at them. Personally, I'm a little annoyed that people who throw stones at policemen aren't removed from society, but they were probably weighing that against the risk of inflaming a crowd.)
| 726 |
ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:42:37am |
re: #724 marjoriemoon
Well, I have a mid-eastern first name "Reuven" and a mid-eastern middle name "Avram" and *I'm* not embarrassed to use them.
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:43:06am |
re: #725 reuven
I was glad that the community leaders in Oakland who worked so hard to prevent rioting appeared successful. You could hear in media reports the disappointment in reporter's voices, when they said, "Still no signs of major unrest.".
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:43:32am |
re: #716 Stanley Sea
No one will touch Darth's comment about the nastiness of the original Mandy post: Shock! He's a Jew-Hating Prog.
Nasty broad brush insult. But no, the fixation is on the Prog part. Again.
Initiated by Mandy who of course has to 'git.
I'm sure Mandy can document the Jew-hate part, she is very aware of that subject and a campaigner against anti-semitism, which is a noble thing. I also agree with Bratwurst that it does not define all progressives, but it sure shows up a lot.
| 729 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:43:45am |
re: #715 darthstar
Yeeeah...and no. I think most liberals are okay with 'moonbat' as a snarky insult because it's just kind of funny, as 'wingnut' is for ultra-conservatives. "Jew-hating prog" is actually more akin to the level of discourse we heard from bigots in the KKK (though they used "Jew-loving" and "ni--er loving" as slurs for liberals)...either way, it's using the word "Jew" as part of a slur. Tying it to 'prog' - which isn't actually a negative (at least to this prog) is just kind of pathetic, in my opinion.
Mostly, however, snarky insults don't offend anyone, really.
Maybe it's surprising to you, but "Jew-hating" is not an insult to me in the least. At all and shouldn't be to any Jew. It is no way, shape or form similar to N* loving. since N* is a slur. Jew is not a slur!!
TAKE BACK THE WORD JEW. It's our word. It's who were are. We aren't JOOOOOOoooooos or Juice or any other stupid misprint. The word is JEW and we should use it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:08am |
re: #725 reuven
I sat down in front of the TV yesterday around 8:30 to do what I do every evening at 8:30--watch Jeopardy and TMZ both in 30 minutes (via judicious use of TiVo) and get my quota of daily TV watching in.
Imagine my disappointment when Jeopardy was pre-empted by live coverage of the Oakland non-riots. They had camera crews set up, etc, waiting for something to happen in Oakland. It wasn't a big loss, however, because it turns out it was "Kids week" and not regular jeopardy week.
(There was some violence, vandalism in Oakland later on. Police showed remarkable restraint in not arresting people who were throwing stones at them. Personally, I'm a little annoyed that people who throw stones at policemen aren't removed from society, but they were probably weighing that against the risk of inflaming a crowd.)
Some?
"Police eventually cleared the intersection all the way up Broadway well past 14th Street and arrested at least ten people in the process. The San Francisco Chronicle reports that at about 10 p.m. a group of Black Bloc anarchists broke from the others and went north on Broadway, smashing windows and cars and looting. The newspaper further reports that somewhere between 50 and 100 of them were arrested."
I'm sorry the riot wasn't big enough for you.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:08am |
re: #716 Stanley Sea
No one will touch Darth's comment about the nastiness of the original Mandy post: Shock! He's a Jew-Hating Prog.
Nasty broad brush insult. But no, the fixation is on the Prog part. Again.
Initiated by Mandy who of course has to 'git.
This isn't about her, necessarily...there are a few people who throw around the phrase 'jew-hating' especially when we get into an I/P discussion.
| 732 |
Kragar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:11am |
re: #727 Obdicut
I was glad that the community leaders in Oakland who worked so hard to prevent rioting appeared successful. You could hear in media reports the disappointment in reporter's voices, when they said, "Still no signs of major unrest.".
I can picture one throwing a trash can thru a store window on their own to get the ball rolling.
| 733 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:28am |
the way the lebron thing played out was fascinating. the bitter letter from cavs' owner dan gilbert was awful and beautiful all at once.
but lebron did reveal something about his character. he never returned calls from gilbert, who has been his boss for 5 years. that was weak.
{computer is REALLY slow}
| 734 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:49am |
re: #701 marjoriemoon
Maybe if it was leveled at you for all that time you wouldn't think it childish.
Yep, turn about is definitely fair play.
I disagree.
I was not one levelling insults at others.
Disagreements, perhaps.
Insults are not my thing.
And because I refused to play along with the insult game, and in fact tried to encourage a few others here to stop the insult thing, I was ostracized as not being conservative enough.
And you feel great that you are now able to hurl insults at me.
Thank you.
| 735 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:10am |
re: #731 darthstar
This isn't about her, necessarily...there are a few people who throw around the phrase 'jew-hating' especially when we get into an I/P discussion.
On the other hand, denying it when it's demonstrably true isn't exactly a noble position either.
| 736 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:12am |
re: #732 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can picture one throwing a trash can thru a store window on their own to get the ball rolling.
I still think the verdict was too harsh, but the composition of the jury was stupid. Keeping all blacks off the jury wasn't exactly subtle.
| 737 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:25am |
re: #721 lawhawk
Jethro Tull is dead to me - no way they should even have been considered for best heavy metal group over Metallica (a cross I do bear and hold against the Grammys and Tull).
Blasphemy!!!
(That wasn't there fault and they were about as surprised as anyone.)
| 738 |
Boogberg Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:36am |
re: #721 lawhawk
Jethro Tull is dead to me - no way they should even have been considered for best heavy metal group over Metallica (a cross I do bear and hold against the Grammys and Tull).
Don't blame the Tull. They were just as surprised as we were.
| 739 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:40am |
re: #644 Obdicut
You don't, Mandy. You can simply keep using a word for a political stance that includes Teddy Roosevelt as a slur.
But why would you want to?
Because she's a Commie and thus even further left than the Progs?
| 740 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:58am |
re: #739 ryannon
Because she's a Commie and thus even further left than the Progs?
Well, that came out of nowhere.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:59am |
re: #722 Aceofwhat?
how about "he's a jew-hating asshole"?
It's the "jew-hating" part that is most offensive, Ace. It's using Judaism as part of a slur.
Jew-hater
Jew-lover
Jew-fucker
they're all equally offensive.
| 742 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:07am |
re: #723 Obdicut
I see not just one, but a couple of large divides. Organized labor, for example, is not really in the 'progressive' camp any more.
You may have a point there. That's a subject I'm not very familiar with.
| 743 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:19am |
I hereby demand a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to never be offended!
| 744 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:27am |
re: #701 marjoriemoon
Maybe if it was leveled at you for all that time you wouldn't think it childish.
Yep, turn about is definitely fair play.
Two wrongs don't make a right, surely you realise that?
| 745 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:32am |
| 746 |
ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:34am |
re: #730 Walter L. Newton
Ah! I didn't catch the later reports. My news was based on what I saw on TV around 8:30.
It's too bad the crowd shifted from peace into violence.
| 747 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:38am |
re: #736 Obdicut
I still think the verdict was too harsh, but the composition of the jury was stupid. Keeping all blacks off the jury wasn't exactly subtle.
To harsh... are you saying in your estimation the officer should have gotten a lessor sentence... or a total not guilty? Honest question.
| 748 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:57am |
re: #726 reuven
Well, I have a mid-eastern first name "Reuven" and a mid-eastern middle name "Avram" and *I'm* not embarrassed to use them.
Pfft wait till you become the leader of the free world!
| 749 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:47:01am |
re: #741 darthstar
It's the "jew-hating" part that is most offensive, Ace. It's using Judaism as part of a slur.
Jew-hater
Jew-lover
Jew-fucker
they're all equally offensive.
bullshit. dude hates jews.
go read marjorie's post and return. you'll be better for it.
| 750 |
Kragar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:47:05am |
re: #736 Obdicut
I still think the verdict was too harsh, but the composition of the jury was stupid. Keeping all blacks off the jury wasn't exactly subtle.
I heard some local leaders were trying to get the Justice Dept involved to try the guy under Federal Hate crime charges.
| 751 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:47:42am |
re: #743 Mad Al-Jaffee
I hereby demand a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to never be offended!
heh. cross the pond...your wish will be granted!
| 752 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:48:16am |
re: #733 _RememberTonyC
the way the lebron thing played out was fascinating. the bitter letter from cavs' owner dan gilbert was awful and beautiful all at once.
but lebron did reveal something about his character. he never returned calls from gilbert, who has been his boss for 5 years. that was weak.
{computer is REALLY slow}
Maybe there's some history that lead LeBron to not take/return those calls. Gilbert certainly betrayed a deep animus in his open letter. Did the Cavs match Miami's money?
| 753 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:48:43am |
re: #731 darthstar
This isn't about her, necessarily...there are a few people who throw around the phrase 'jew-hating' especially when we get into an I/P discussion.
That is because they are calling out anti-Semitism which is clearly evident.
| 754 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:48:53am |
re: #750 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I heard some local leaders were trying to get the Justice Dept involved to try the guy under Federal Hate crime charges.
The DOJ is going to review the case...
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
| 755 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:49:07am |
re: #735 Aceofwhat?
On the other hand, denying it when it's demonstrably true isn't exactly a noble position either.
Usually, it's used toward people who are critical of Israel (the country) and the Israeli government. I've been labeled as such many, many times here when I've been critical of Israeli policy. I realize many people don't see a difference between Israel and Judaism, but I do. I realize Israel is 'homeland' to a lot of Jews here, but again, the country isn't the religion and the religion isn't the country.
| 756 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:00am |
re: #747 Walter L. Newton
To harsh... are you saying in your estimation the officer should have gotten a lessor sentence... or a total not guilty? Honest question.
Meh, it's more that I don't think our legal system is even set up to handle situations like this elegantly.
Cops are routinely put into circumstances that are high-stress, while carrying lethal weapons. Unless anyone thinks that this cop simply decided to execute someone in front of tons of witnesses, while being filmed, it was obviously a mistake.
To me, it's comparable to the mistakes surgeons make; surgeons do high-stress things every day where if they fuck up, someone dies. But every surgeon fucks up. They're human. So are cops. I don't favor punishment of mistakes, when the person's job is such that it forces them into encounters where mistakes are, in large enough iterations of the encounter, inevitable.
| 757 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:03am |
re: #752 MandyManners
Maybe there's some history that lead LeBron to not take/return those calls. Gilbert certainly betrayed a deep animus in his open letter. Did the Cavs match Miami's money?
They more than matched it. He walked away from millions to go to Miami.
Judging by Gilbert's childish response, LeBron knew something that we only now found out.
(Oh, and when coach Brown and GM Danny Ferry were fired after having the best regular-season record for two years in a row, was Gilbert talking about loyalty? yeah...funny how loyalty is a one-way street for some people)
| 758 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:14am |
re: #741 darthstar
It's the "jew-hating" part that is most offensive, Ace. It's using Judaism as part of a slur.
Jew-hater
Jew-lover
Jew-fucker
they're all equally offensive.
Bullshit, what is offensive is anti-Semitism and those who spin for the anti-Semites.
| 759 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:17am |
re: #739 ryannon
Because she's a Commie and thus even further left than the Progs?
Huh? I was when I was younge. In fact, I was a member of the CPUSA. Voted Hall and Davis. But, not now in the least bit. I still can spot one when I see one, though.
| 760 |
cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:19am |
re: #733 _RememberTonyC
the way the lebron thing played out was fascinating. the bitter letter from cavs' owner dan gilbert was awful and beautiful all at once.
but lebron did reveal something about his character. he never returned calls from gilbert, who has been his boss for 5 years. that was weak.
{computer is REALLY slow}
Yeah pretty weird - I've always liked the guy but the Lebron extravaganza that has been the last week, culminating last night, smacks of a level of narcissism that I didn't really see before. Especially for a guy who has not won a championship.
| 761 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:19am |
re: #749 Aceofwhat?
bullshit. dude hates jews.
go read marjorie's post and return. you'll be better for it.
Exactly.
| 762 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:30am |
do some folks consider "prog" to be an insult? if they do, they should also be insulted by the following terms:
Dem
Lib
Con
"Bags"
All are simply abbreviated words with no intent to insult. And if someone can't handle that? Too bad.
Sincerely,
'Tone'
| 763 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:56am |
re: #755 darthstar
Usually, it's used toward people who are critical of Israel (the country) and the Israeli government. I've been labeled as such many, many times here when I've been critical of Israeli policy. I realize many people don't see a difference between Israel and Judaism, but I do. I realize Israel is 'homeland' to a lot of Jews here, but again, the country isn't the religion and the religion isn't the country.
If you wish to criticize the term on a case-by-case basis, great. But you were unilaterally declaring it an ugly term, and i quite disagree on that point. When it's true, it's true.
| 764 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:12am |
re: #755 darthstar
Usually, it's used toward people who are critical of Israel (the country) and the Israeli government. I've been labeled as such many, many times here when I've been critical of Israeli policy. I realize many people don't see a difference between Israel and Judaism, but I do. I realize Israel is 'homeland' to a lot of Jews here, but again, the country isn't the religion and the religion isn't the country.
I think the people here at LGF can tell the difference between "criticism of Israel" and hardcore anti-Semites who are hiding behind of fig leaf of "criticism of Israel."
Tell me if you think this Kos Diary is "criticism of Israel" or screeching Jew-hate.
| 765 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:17am |
re: #756 Obdicut
Meh, it's more that I don't think our legal system is even set up to handle situations like this elegantly.
Cops are routinely put into circumstances that are high-stress, while carrying lethal weapons. Unless anyone thinks that this cop simply decided to execute someone in front of tons of witnesses, while being filmed, it was obviously a mistake.
To me, it's comparable to the mistakes surgeons make; surgeons do high-stress things every day where if they fuck up, someone dies. But every surgeon fucks up. They're human. So are cops. I don't favor punishment of mistakes, when the person's job is such that it forces them into encounters where mistakes are, in large enough iterations of the encounter, inevitable.
Just checking... it seem the administration and other agencies may not see this verdict as too harsh...
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
We'll see what happen next.
| 766 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:18am |
re: #753 Bagua
That is because they are calling out anti-Semitism which is clearly evident.
Then use the phrase anti-Semite. It's appropriate and isn't using religion as a slur.
| 767 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:22am |
re: #759 MandyManners
Huh? I was when I was younge. In fact, I was a member of the CPUSA. Voted Hall and Davis. But, not now in the least bit. I still can spot one when I see one, though.
i think it was a joke
| 768 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:30am |
re: #734 reine.de.tout
I disagree.
I was not one levelling insults at others.
Disagreements, perhaps.
Insults are not my thing.
And because I refused to play along with the insult game, and in fact tried to encourage a few others here to stop the insult thing, I was ostracized as not being conservative enough.And you feel great that you are now able to hurl insults at me.
Thank you.
Um... this isn't about you, Reine. I don't know why you take this so personally. In fact, this whole conversation started because Mandy used the word Prog.
Duly noted, however.
| 769 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:32am |
re: #743 Mad Al-Jaffee
I hereby demand a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to never be offended!
You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
| 770 |
Kragar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:37am |
I love how the news is calling rioting, looting and arson "protests".
| 771 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:44am |
re: #752 MandyManners
Maybe there's some history that lead LeBron to not take/return those calls. Gilbert certainly betrayed a deep animus in his open letter. Did the Cavs match Miami's money?
CLE offered much MORE $$ than Miami. LBJ just wanted out.
| 772 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:53:30am |
re: #758 Bagua
Bullshit, what is offensive is anti-Semitism and those who spin for the anti-Semites.
We disagree on the use of the word Jew in a slur. Interesting.
| 773 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:53:52am |
re: #741 darthstar
It's the "jew-hating" part that is most offensive, Ace. It's using Judaism as part of a slur.
Jew-hater
Jew-lover
Jew-fucker
they're all equally offensive.
Wow you are so wrong, darth. So wrong. Jew-lover yea, Jew-hater? No way.
And stick Fucker on the end of anything and tell me it's a compliment? come on.
| 774 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:03am |
re: #760 cliffster
Yeah pretty weird - I've always liked the guy but the Lebron extravaganza that has been the last week, culminating last night, smacks of a level of narcissism that I didn't really see before. Especially for a guy who has not won a championship.
eh. it was a press conference that morphed into a special, from which all of the proceeds were donated to charity.
i thought the same as you at first, then i wondered what the charity would tell me about how much they appreciated his 'narcisissm'.
| 775 |
Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:08am |
re: #736 Obdicut
I still think the verdict was too harsh, but the composition of the jury was stupid. Keeping all blacks off the jury wasn't exactly subtle.
Whoa there, big fella.
Are you insinuating that blacks were purposely and willfully denied a position on the jury?
| 776 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:16am |
re: #766 darthstar
Then use the phrase anti-Semite. It's appropriate and isn't using religion as a slur.
"Anti-Semite" is a term invented in the 1870's by a Jew hater who thought that "Jew hate" was just too vulgar.
| 777 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:21am |
re: #757 Aceofwhat?
They more than matched it. He walked away from millions to go to Miami.
Judging by Gilbert's childish response, LeBron knew something that we only now found out.
(Oh, and when coach Brown and GM Danny Ferry were fired after having the best regular-season record for two years in a row, was Gilbert talking about loyalty? yeah...funny how loyalty is a one-way street for some people)
I'd rather live in Miami than Cleveland.
| 778 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:57am |
re: #773 marjoriemoon
Wow you are so wrong, darth. So wrong. Jew-lover yea, Jew-hater? No way.
And stick Fucker on the end of anything and tell me it's a compliment? come on.
Not a compliment...all three are used as slurs. That's my point.
| 779 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:55:38am |
re: #766 darthstar
Then use the phrase anti-Semite. It's appropriate and isn't using religion as a slur.
We'll look to our Jewish friends to tell us if we're slurring, thanks, since slurring is not our intention.
Seems like an odd place for you to stake your defense of Jews. I'd maybe start by condemning antisemitism more vociferously when I encountered it...but that's just me...
| 780 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:55:54am |
re: #776 Alouette
"Anti-Semite" is a term invented in the 1870's by a Jew hater who thought that "Jew hate" was just too vulgar.
oh SNAP
| 781 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:55:56am |
re: #744 Bagua
Two wrongs don't make a right, surely you realise that?
If neither of you can't understand how, for so many years, in nearly every post, me and a handful of liberals here endured a plethora of insults and now a bunch of conservatives can't handle a few names EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, well I can't help you.
It's too bad for you then I guess because if I want to use Wingnut, which are hardly ever use at all, I will use it.
| 782 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:56:15am |
re: #778 darthstar
Not a compliment...all three are used as slurs. That's my point.
says the guy who isn't a Jew
| 783 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:56:24am |
re: #719 Obdicut
Of course i don't see it differently, Reine. Everyone should avoid insulting with broad brush insults as much as possible. But I don't see this as just a /right wing insult' 'left wing insult' thing.
Because, unlike 'wingnut' or 'moonbat', which do not actually exist as coherent political positions in their own right, progressivism does-- so using it as an insult is different, since you also insult any good, decent, self-identifying progressive, in the same way that using neo-con was different.
No one self-identifies as a moonbat or a wingnut, because they don't actually mean much of anything coherent.
OK, well, this is my final word.
It's an issue of insulting other people, not what is or is not a coherent political position. "Wing-nut" is used to negatively describe what folks believe is a coherent political position.
I am a wing-nut. There. I have self-identified.
| 785 |
Ericus58 Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:56:54am |
re: #741 darthstar
It's the "jew-hating" part that is most offensive, Ace. It's using Judaism as part of a slur.
Jew-hater
Jew-lover
Jew-fucker
they're all equally offensive.
I'm a Jew-Lover. Totally. My admiration for their struggles runs deep.
| 786 |
cliffster Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:04am |
re: #774 Aceofwhat?
eh. it was a press conference that morphed into a special, from which all of the proceeds were donated to charity.
i thought the same as you at first, then i wondered what the charity would tell me about how much they appreciated his 'narcisissm'.
good point
| 787 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:19am |
re: #755 darthstar
Usually, it's used toward people who are critical of Israel (the country) and the Israeli government. I've been labeled as such many, many times here when I've been critical of Israeli policy. I realize many people don't see a difference between Israel and Judaism, but I do. I realize Israel is 'homeland' to a lot of Jews here, but again, the country isn't the religion and the religion isn't the country.
Right, because people who only ever side against Israel and only ever defend those who hate Jews quite fit the profile of Jew-hater. You put homeland in scare quotes, and defend every anti-Israel position on this blog and now you want to stop vile anti-Semites from being unfairly labelled jew-haters?
Your concern-trolling is obvious.
| 788 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:21am |
| 789 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:22am |
re: #777 MandyManners
I'd rather live in Miami than Cleveland.
I used to live in Cleveland and now live in Jacksonville...i miss some people but not the region.
| 790 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:23am |
re: #760 cliffster
Yeah pretty weird - I've always liked the guy but the Lebron extravaganza that has been the last week, culminating last night, smacks of a level of narcissism that I didn't really see before. Especially for a guy who has not won a championship.
LBJ, Wade, and Bosh will play well, but the team has almost no other players right now. Miami has a big ass target on its back, so they better have the goods. Pat Riley has a lot riding on this.
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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:50am |
re: #750 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't know what to think about this case. My best hunch is it was a horrible mistake. Something made this guy react, and he shot. It could conceivably be "involuntary manslaughter"--negligent misuse of a gun. I'm not going to second-guess a Jury. It's unfortunate, IMHO, that the charge gets doubled because there was a gun involved.
Maybe I'm naive, but I really don't think this was a racial incident. There were people involved in an alcohol-fueled fist-fight on a BART railroad car. Police had the unpleasant job of breaking up this unruly crowd, separating them, and processing everyone.
According to the reports I recently re-read in the SF Chronicle, Grant had run away from the cops after being pulled aside, and the cops had to chase after him and apprehend him. So they certainly had cause to cuff him and have him on the ground.
This was a tragedy caused by a criminally negligent error. But it just doesn't smell like a major racial incident, based on what I've seen and read.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:58:12am |
re: #771 _RememberTonyC
CLE offered much MORE $$ than Miami. LBJ just wanted out.
Considering the venom in Gilbert's response, I think he made the right move.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:58:28am |
re: #783 reine.de.tout
OK, well, this is my final word.
It's an issue of insulting other people, not what is or is not a coherent political position. "Wing-nut" is used to negatively describe what folks believe is a coherent political position.I am a wing-nut. There. I have self-identified.
dang. that means i am too. oh well. at least i still have my forehand!
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:58:33am |
re: #778 darthstar
Not a compliment...all three are used as slurs. That's my point.
No they are not. Jew-hater is not a slur!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:58:45am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:59:11am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:59:58am |
re: #779 Aceofwhat?
I still am mystified over one of the Bobbsey Twins' accusation that I had called him an anti-Semite the other day. From out of nowhere.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:00:06am |
re: #781 marjoriemoon
If neither of you can't understand how, for so many years, in nearly every post, me and a handful of liberals here endured a plethora of insults and now a bunch of conservatives can't handle a few names EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, well I can't help you.
It's too bad for you then I guess because if I want to use Wingnut, which are hardly ever use at all, I will use it.
I have often noted that that was the case in years past. No question. But it does not excuse the new reality here.
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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:00:36am |
re: #795 Aceofwhat?
Unfortunately, many Jews are suspicious of Jew-lovers, too! The perception is that there's a class of Jew-lovers who like Jews because they're needed in a critical role for their end-of-days scenario to work itself out.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:00:44am |
re: #797 MandyManners
I still am mystified over one of the Bobbsey Twins' accusation that I had called him an anti-Semite the other day. From out of nowhere.
i wasn't there. couldn't say.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:01:11am |
re: #789 Aceofwhat?
I used to live in Cleveland and now live in Jacksonville...i miss some people but not the region.
The shopping's better in Miami than Cleveland, too.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:01:25am |
re: #782 Aceofwhat?
says the guy who isn't a Jew
The same guy who objects to every pro-Israel post on this blog.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:02:02am |
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:02:21am |
re: #779 Aceofwhat?
We'll look to our Jewish friends to tell us if we're slurring, thanks, since slurring is not our intention.
Seems like an odd place for you to stake your defense of Jews. I'd maybe start by condemning antisemitism more vociferously when I encountered it...but that's just me...
I've never NOT defended Jews here, Ace. I've disagreed on Israeli policy, but as I've said many times, I don't equate people's government with their religious beliefs. If they wish to equate themselves, their religion, and government policy as all being one and the same, that's their perogative.
And it wasn't even about Judaism so much as it was using a religion, ANY religion, as part of a slur. Hindu-hater, Catholic-hater...granted, they're not used expressions, but they're no different.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:02:28am |
re: #798 Bagua
I have often noted that that was the case in years past. No question. But it does not excuse the new reality here.
I'm not much of a name caller. It's just not my style unless I'm really pissed or seething and I try to control that, too. Personally, I don't like the whole name calling thing because, to me, it's a tactic of bullies. Forget what we're actually discussing, if I can humiliate you with a bigger insult, I win (kinda thing). I try to stay on topic, as hard as that gets.
| 806 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:03:03am |
re: #770 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love how the news is calling rioting, looting and arson "protests".
What's the best way to "protest" against the Man? Burn down your own neighborhoods!
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:03:40am |
re: #794 marjoriemoon
No they are not. Jew-hater is not a slur!
Well, it certainly doesn't sound like a compliment, and it's been leveled at me many times here when discussing Israli-Palestinian conflict issues.
| 808 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:04:04am |
re: #799 reuven
Unfortunately, many Jews are suspicious of Jew-lovers, too! The perception is that there's a class of Jew-lovers who like Jews because they're needed in a critical role for their end-of-days scenario to work itself out.
i have no problem calling that perception weird.
if i were beset by enemies on all sides, and the vast majority of my allies loved me because i was an against-all-odds, democratic, egalitarian society while the minority of my allies loved me because they identified closely with my religious history and a tiny tiny handful of my allies loved me because they needed me to survive until God swooped down and bodily removed them from the earth...i'd be just fine with it.
don't look gift allies in the mouth...and don't get so fascinated by a handful of weird Christians that you multiply their numbers in your head.
| 809 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:04:09am |
re: #805 marjoriemoon
I'm not much of a name caller. It's just not my style unless I'm really pissed or seething and I try to control that, too. Personally, I don't like the whole name calling thing because, to me, it's a tactic of bullies. Forget what we're actually discussing, if I can humiliate you with a bigger insult, I win (kinda thing). I try to stay on topic, as hard as that gets.
I agree strongly.
| 810 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:04:11am |
re: #792 MandyManners
Considering the venom in Gilbert's response, I think he made the right move.
gilbert kissed his ass and protected him and his image for 5 years. he created the monster, which has now eaten about $100 million of his cash in the reduced value of the franchise. You'd be pissed too.
| 811 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:04:25am |
re: #804 darthstar
I've never NOT defended Jews here, Ace. I've disagreed on Israeli policy, but as I've said many times, I don't equate people's government with their religious beliefs. If they wish to equate themselves, their religion, and government policy as all being one and the same, that's their perogative.
And it wasn't even about Judaism so much as it was using a religion, ANY religion, as part of a slur. Hindu-hater, Catholic-hater...granted, they're not used expressions, but they're no different.
Ah yes, but Judaism is more than a religion. It's a cultural identity also, which is often separate from religion, but we all sit under one umbrella. One big Jew-loving umbrella!
Sorry I couldn't help it.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:05:28am |
re: #799 reuven
Unfortunately, many Jews are suspicious of Jew-lovers, too! The perception is that there's a class of Jew-lovers who like Jews because they're needed in a critical role for their end-of-days scenario to work itself out.
Sometimes I think a creed-blind society is further away than a color-blind one.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:06:15am |
re: #804 darthstar
I've never NOT defended Jews here, Ace. I've disagreed on Israeli policy, but as I've said many times, I don't equate people's government with their religious beliefs. If they wish to equate themselves, their religion, and government policy as all being one and the same, that's their perogative.
It is also their prerogative to inform you whether you are correct about objecting to a perfectly accurate term as a "slur". Follow?
Sensitivity is all well and good until it becomes so self-righteous that it transforms into a relatively insensitive position. I am concerned that you are approaching that point.
| 814 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:06:33am |
re: #804 darthstar
I've never NOT defended Jews here, Ace. I've disagreed on Israeli policy, but as I've said many times, I don't equate people's government with their religious beliefs. If they wish to equate themselves, their religion, and government policy as all being one and the same, that's their perogative.
And it wasn't even about Judaism so much as it was using a religion, ANY religion, as part of a slur. Hindu-hater, Catholic-hater...granted, they're not used expressions, but they're no different.
Jewish is a national identity. It is the people of Israel, the nation of Israel. The Juden/Jews are the people of Judah, the place where Jerusalem is. The religious beliefs are secondary.
| 815 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:08:16am |
re: #729 marjoriemoon
Maybe it's surprising to you, but "Jew-hating" is not an insult to me in the least. At all and shouldn't be to any Jew. It is no way, shape or form similar to N* loving. since N* is a slur. Jew is not a slur!!
TAKE BACK THE WORD JEW. It's our word. It's who were are. We aren't JOOOooos or Juice or any other stupid misprint. The word is JEW and we should use it.
Cartman has got it down pat!
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darthstar Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:08:48am |
re: #813 Aceofwhat?
It is also their prerogative to inform you whether you are correct about objecting to a perfectly accurate term as a "slur". Follow?
Sensitivity is all well and good until it becomes so self-righteous that it transforms into a relatively insensitive position. I am concerned that you are approaching that point.
You may be right. I'll get out of this thread now.
| 817 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:09:19am |
My last post on this topic will be a Python quote:
Well now, the result of last week's competition when we asked you to find a derogatory term for the Belgians. Well, the response was enormous and we took quite a long time sorting out the winners. There were some very clever entries. Mrs. Hatred of Leicester Said 'let's not call them anything, let's just ignore them' ... (applause starts vigorously, but he holds his hands up for silence) ... and a Mr. St John of Hurtfingdou said he couldn't think of anything more derogatory than Belgias. (cheers and applause; a girl in showgirl costume comes on and holds up placards through next bit) But in the end we settled on three choices: number three ... the Sprouts (placard 'The Sprouts'), sent in by Mrs. Vicious of Hastings... very nice ; number two..... the Phlegms (placard) ... from Mrs. Childmolester of Worthing; but the winner was undoubtedly from Mrs. No-Supper-For-You from Norwood in Lancashire ... Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards. (placard; roar of applause) Very good - thank you, Carol.
| 818 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:09:26am |
re: #816 darthstar
You may be right. I'll get out of this thread now.
I don't know about anyone else, but my feelings aren't hurt. So no worries there.
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Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:09:59am |
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Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:11:22am |
re: #775 Ericus58
Whoa there, big fella.
Are you insinuating that blacks were purposely and willfully denied a position on the jury?
Yes, they definitely were.
Rains, the officer's attorney, used half his peremptory challenges (the ones he doesn't have to justify) to get rid of blacks from the jury.
| 821 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:12:17am |
re: #759 MandyManners
Huh? I was when I was younge. In fact, I was a member of the CPUSA. Voted Hall and Davis. But, not now in the least bit. I still can spot one when I see one, though.
T'was a joke, Mandy. I'm not psychic.
And who could have guessed?
| 822 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:12:31am |
re: #814 Bagua
Jewish is a national identity. It is the people of Israel, the nation of Israel. The Juden/Jews are the people of Judah, the place where Jerusalem is. The religious beliefs are secondary.
The religious beliefs are also non-important to a wide variety of secular Jews. However, Jewish is not a national identity. It's an ethnic identity, or rather, a collection of ethnic identities.
Before modern Israel existed, we were still Jews.
| 823 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:15:59am |
re: #822 Obdicut
The religious beliefs are also non-important to a wide variety of secular Jews. However, Jewish is not a national identity. It's an ethnic identity, or rather, a collection of ethnic identities.
Before modern Israel existed, we were still Jews.
Well you're both right. Judaism is a national identity for sure and it's also ethnic and religious.
| 824 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:19:08am |
re: #781 marjoriemoon
If neither of you can't understand how, for so many years, in nearly every post, me and a handful of liberals here endured a plethora of insults and now a bunch of conservatives can't handle a few names EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, well I can't help you.
It's too bad for you then I guess because if I want to use Wingnut, which are hardly ever use at all, I will use it.
The really odd thing is that a sizable number of the people being labelled one way or another here on the forum are simply not what they're being labeled, being much too intelligent and nuanced to fall into a often carelessly-used political catch-all phrase.
| 825 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:20:11am |
re: #824 ryannon
The really odd thing is that a sizable number of the people being labelled one way or another here on the forum are simply not what they're being labeled, being much too intelligent and nuanced to fall into a often carelessly-used political catch-all phrase.
Thank you.
| 826 |
ryannon Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:22:41am |
| 827 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:33:51am |
re: #822 Obdicut
The religious beliefs are also non-important to a wide variety of secular Jews. However, Jewish is not a national identity. It's an ethnic identity, or rather, a collection of ethnic identities.
Before modern Israel existed, we were still Jews.
I'm not talking about modern Israel only Obdicut, nor in the modern sense of a nation. If you learn Jewish history you will find out that the people of Israel are a nation, and the 2,000 year exile from the Land of Israel was considered a diaspora by the People of Israel. The word Jew is derived from yehuda, the tribe which lived in Judah. The torah itself is mostly a historical account of that nation and how it came to be distinct. The religious beliefs are an additional aspect, but not the primary one.
A Jewish scholar could explain this much better than I.
| 828 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:36:46am |
re: #827 Bagua
If you learn Jewish history you will find out that the people of Israel are a nation, and the 2,000 year exile from the Land of Israel was considered a diaspora by the People of Israel.
I know Jewish history, thanks. The diaspora, yes, was a diaspora. It doesn't mean that "Jewish" is a national identity, no.
In fact, it means it survived a transition away from a national identity, and, later, as secular Jews became more common, a transition away from a religious identity as well.
You're using the word 'nation' in a way that's specialized.
| 830 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:44:23am |
re: #828 Obdicut
I know Jewish history, thanks. The diaspora, yes, was a diaspora. It doesn't mean that "Jewish" is a national identity, no.
In fact, it means it survived a transition away from a national identity, and, later, as secular Jews became more common, a transition away from a religious identity as well.
You're using the word 'nation' in a way that's specialized.
You think you know, that is your limitation.
| 831 |
Obdicut Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:46:52am |
re: #830 Bagua
You think you know, that is your limitation.
You think you know what others know; that's yours.
| 832 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:45:44pm |
re: #634 Obdicut
Can you actually make an argument, Mandy? That isn't one.
As I said: The way you use 'prog' so blindly to refer to so many on the left is just as blind and foolish as those who called people like Ron Paul 'neo-cons'.
What is the point of inaccurately insulting progressives the way you do?
To create an environment Every. Single. Morning. that is unwelcoming, hostile, and unpleasant to everyone to the left of McCain.
I think it's clear enough.
| 833 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:47:45pm |
re: #781 marjoriemoon
If neither of you can't understand how, for so many years, in nearly every post, me and a handful of liberals here endured a plethora of insults and now a bunch of conservatives can't handle a few names EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, well I can't help you.
It's too bad for you then I guess because if I want to use Wingnut, which are hardly ever use at all, I will use it.
This.
| 834 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:56:56pm |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
No, I know you don't do this, but others regularly do, and I suggest that it's possible you haven't noticed it because, well, the folks doing it are closer to your political persuasion than conservatives are and we all tend to be more forgiving of those with whom we agree.
The morning thread is frequently referred to as the morning Wingnut wave, which is an insult to every conservative who posts in the a.m.
No, it's a specific reference to certain people who like to spam the morning thread, before Charles gets up, with nasty comments about certain posters (The Bobbsey Twins ring a bell?), vomit out ODS talking points, and do their best each and every day to create a hostile environment for people on the left.
I'm sorry that pointing this out hurts your feelings, but it's patently obvious and has been for some time.
| 835 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:59:28pm |
re: #678 darthstar
I prefer to be called a "pie-eyed peace pussy"...in fact, I'm thinking of having it added to my business cards at work if the boss thinks it's professional enough.
Here you go. Custom search for "peace pussy" at LGF.
| 836 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:04:26pm |
Another note. I don't know if some of you know this but wingnuts is an LGF tag in both articles and the LGF pages. As is moonbat.
| 837 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:07:16pm |
re: #836 Gus 802
Another note. I don't know if some of you know this but wingnuts is an LGF tag in both articles and the LGF pages. As is moonbat.
The objection to the word 'prog' is that it is being used as an insult, by people who use it to refer not to progressives (they can't even define it) but to everyone to the left of McCain.
It's also not a word that I've ever seen anywhere--but stalker sites. And here.
This is a very basic point, and all the concern-trolling in the world and handwringing over the word 'wingnut' isn't going to change it.
| 838 |
Gus Fri, Jul 9, 2010 2:15:03pm |
re: #837 iceweasel
The objection to the word 'prog' is that it is being used as an insult, by people who use it to refer not to progressives (they can't even define it) but to everyone to the left of McCain.
It's also not a word that I've ever seen anywhere--but stalker sites. And here.This is a very basic point, and all the concern-trolling in the world and handwringing over the word 'wingnut' isn't going to change it.
Ask them about how Avanti was treated up until late 2008. Things were far worse then "prog" being thrown about. Avanti who's a moderate liberal Democrat was treated like he was a far-left Communist on a daily basis. And that's just him as one example. Used to be that if anyone said anything to the left of McCain (as you note) he would be subjected to a swarm of criticism (some of it not very polite) and a slew of negative ratings.
| 839 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 3:13:50pm |
re: #838 Gus 802
Ask them about how Avanti was treated up until late 2008. Things were far worse then "prog" being thrown about. Avanti who's a moderate liberal Democrat was treated like he was a far-left Communist on a daily basis. And that's just him as one example. Used to be that if anyone said anything to the left of McCain (as you note) he would be subjected to a swarm of criticism (some of it not very polite) and a slew of negative ratings.
The bottom line is that some people are pissed that they can't go around calling someone like avanti (who is a moderate! and completely laidback, nice, not at all aggressive or combative) a-- what was their nickname for him again? -- a "Used condom" any more.
So yeah, on the scale of insults, it's certainly improved tremendously here. But the AM Wingnut Wave is very very angry about that.
| 840 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:37:10pm |
re: #831 Obdicut
You think you know what others know; that's yours.
I think I know what I think you think I know, but who knows really?
| 841 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:38:41pm |
re: #832 iceweasel
To create an environment Every. Single. Morning. that is unwelcoming, hostile, and unpleasant to everyone to the left of McCain.
I think it's clear enough.
And you create an environment that is hostile and unwelcome to both new and old when you're around. Stop stalking Mandy. It's disgusting.
| 842 |
Bagua Fri, Jul 9, 2010 5:40:21pm |
re: #839 iceweasel
The bottom line is that some people are pissed that they can't go around calling someone like avanti (who is a moderate! and completely laidback, nice, not at all aggressive or combative) a-- what was their nickname for him again? -- a "Used condom" any more.
So yeah, on the scale of insults, it's certainly improved tremendously here. But the AM Wingnut Wave is very very angry about that.
And the 24hour meanbat wave is angry in general. Go figure.
| 843 |
The Left Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:00:35pm |
re: #841 Bagua
I'd prefer it if you don't address me again, Bagua. Thank you.
| 845 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:28:52am |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
No, I know you don't do this, but others regularly do, and I suggest that it's possible you haven't noticed it because, well, the folks doing it are closer to your political persuasion than conservatives are and we all tend to be more forgiving of those with whom we agree.
The morning thread is frequently referred to as the morning Wingnut wave, which is an insult to every conservative who posts in the a.m. There are other insults thrown about regularly. And very little objection to the demeaning terms.
Actually Reine, it is you who is insulting every conservative by claiming that the term "wingnut wave" refers to or applies to every conservative here. You may want to identify as a wingnut, as in fact you have done already on at least one occasion in recent memory, but please don't apply it to sensible conservatives who do NOT feel a burning need to excuse every idiotic piece of drivel that is posted by 'conservatives' who are so ill-informed and full of partisan hate that they FULLY deserve that term - and then some.
As far as the term 'prog' is concerned - although it is clearly intended as an insult by those who like to use it here, it is actually a very weak one as far as those it is aimed at is concerned. I don't find it particularly offensive - the point about it's use as far as I am concerned is what it tells us about the person using it. 'Prog' is not an insult that sensible conservatives like to use - it is a term that foaming at the mouth wingnuts like to use. You'll find it is one of the favourite terms of abuse on sites like Hot Air, Ace of Spades, and the stalker sites.
Now, why would a 'sensible conservative' want to go around sounding like one of those idiots? And what would a 'sensible conservative' be doing defending people who go around sounding like these idiots, and furthermore making a false equivalent with the use of the word 'wingnut' ?
| 846 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:33:28am |
re: #841 Bagua
And you create an environment that is hostile and unwelcome to both new and old when you're around. Stop stalking Mandy. It's disgusting.
This coming from the creep who repeatedly called iceweasel a psychopath and a sociopath, and who lacks the personal integrity and courage to apologise and retract.
No-one is stalking Mandy. The problem is that Mandy continually posts tripe that makes LGF look bad, and people who actually care enough about LGF to not want the threads looking like something out of Hot Air feel compelled to say something about it. And Charles is well aware of that. You guys just aren't fooling anyone, except yourselves.
| 847 |
The Left Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:42:43am |
re: #845 Jimmah
Now, why would a 'sensible conservative' want to go around sounding like one of those idiots? And what would a 'sensible conservative' be doing defending people who go around sounding like these idiots, and furthermore making a false equivalent with the use of the word 'wingnut' ?
Because it's all about lying. They know perfectly well that the term AM wingnut wave refers to the exact same phenomenon that Charles has pointed out-- the little games some assholes play in the am to make this a hostile and unpleasant environment for libs.
Reine is deliberately lying and playing along with that game as an attempt to discredit me. Liars and haters.
| 848 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jul 11, 2010 2:54:35pm |
re: #834 iceweasel
No, it's a specific reference to certain people who like to spam the morning thread, before Charles gets up, with nasty comments about certain posters (The Bobbsey Twins ring a bell?), vomit out ODS talking points, and do their best each and every day to create a hostile environment for people on the left.
I'm sorry that pointing this out hurts your feelings, but it's patently obvious and has been for some time.
I am taking ownership of "Bobbsey twins". It belongs to me now. :D :D
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