Right Wing Blog Illustrates Post About Sandra Fluke with “Semen Demon” Pic

What the hell is wrong with these people?
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In case you were wondering what the right wing blogs have been saying about Sandra Fluke today, here’s a representative example at The Jawa Report: Rush Limbaugh Apologizes to Sandra ‘Not a Slut, I Just Like Having Sex Alot’ Fluke.

Why? I have no idea.

Well, I do have an idea. Major, long time advertisers started jumping ship. So I’m guessing his reasoning was purely financial.

In related news, I’m waiting for confirmation from sources that the image beneath the fold is really that of Ms. Fluke. We get emails all the time from people claiming all kinds of things. It doesn’t make them true, so we have to be careful.

Here’s the “image beneath the fold:”

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652 comments
1 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:33:31pm

Sandra Fluke has stated she has a single partner, with whom she uses contraception.

What does the right wing actually have against this behavior? To me, it's decent and responsible.

In what way is it slutty?

2 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:34:35pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Sandra Fluke has stated she has a single partner, with whom she uses contraception.

What does the right wing actually have against this behavior? To me, it's decent and responsible.

In what way is it slutty?

Because she's not only using contraception, she's daring to have sex out of wedlock! Back in my day, we called those women whores and rightly so!

3 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:35:20pm

I mean, I don't think 'slutty' is something people should be throwing around even for people who do have a lot of sex, but I think it's illustrative that in this case, it's being used against a woman who, by her own account, is monogamous and responsible about her sexuality.

Surely, the right wing idiots aren't coming out against pre-marital sex, are they? In 2012?

4 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:36:00pm

Amazing how delighted these people are at a chance to roll around in the muck and bring out their favorite perverted imaginings for a public stroke.

5 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:36:09pm

They keep getting lower and lower by the minute. Pretty soon they're going to experience spontaneous combustion. Their hair is already on fire.

6 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:38:16pm

Remember, these are the people who keep saying they want to elevate women by removing their choices and making sure they live morally acceptable lives.

Fucking hypocrites.

7 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:39:08pm

re: #5 Gus

They keep getting lower and lower by the minute. Pretty soon they're going to experience spontaneous combustion. Their hair is already on fire.

The burning bush?

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8 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:39:28pm

Charles. Here's his Tweet with that image.

Stay classy? WTF?

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:40:27pm

re: #3 Obdicut

I mean, I don't think 'slutty' is something people should be throwing around even for people who do have a lot of sex, but I think it's illustrative that in this case, it's being used against a woman who, by her own account, is monogamous and responsible about her sexuality.

Surely, the right wing idiots aren't coming out against pre-marital sex, are they? In 2012?

The comments on hot air are saying PRECISELY that.

Lots of "well, if you're fornicating" and "if you were married this wouldn't happen blah blah"

10 Aye Pod  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:40:51pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Sandra Fluke has stated she has a single partner, with whom she uses contraception.

What does the right wing actually have against this behavior? To me, it's decent and responsible.

In what way is it slutty?

A woman only has to make liberal arguments on a blog to qualify as a 'slut' in the eyes of the wingnut. And if she has a problem with that then she's 'playing the perpetual victim'.

11 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:41:32pm

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:41:36pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Sandra Fluke has stated she has a single partner, with whom she uses contraception.

What does the right wing actually have against this behavior? To me, it's decent and responsible.

In what way is it slutty?

women talking about sex or sexual health at all = slutty


it's all about control and shame. Men run the household, women cook, clean, have babies.

13 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:41:36pm

Ms. Fluke owes no one an explanation or details of her personal life. It doesn't matter if she has one partner, many partners, or no partners. Her sex is life is not an issue or anyone's business but hers.

14 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:42:49pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

Wasn't raging douchetard Dan Riehl joining Dana Loesch in defaming Charles with this slur?

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:42:56pm

They're implying it's Fluke's picture. Based, of course, on the rw rumor chamber. Even though a simple google search shows it's an unrelated image:

[Link: images.google.com...]

16 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:14pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

What the hell?

17 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:23pm

re: #14 Interesting Times

Wasn't raging douchetard Dan Riehl joining D. Loesch in defaming Charles with this slur?

Yes, he was, IIRC.

What a pathetic POS.

18 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:31pm
19 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:35pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

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Clearly one day when Frum finally does jump ship, he and Charles can form a club or a support group for people dealing with this kind of thing.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:39pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

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Dan Riehl accused Charles of this too.

Which makes me wonder about Dan Riehl.

21 garhighway  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:44:09pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

At least they've progressed past all of that "jammed down our throats" rhetoric. I guess they've moved on to another fetish.

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:44:18pm

Wonder in a bad sense, mind you.

23 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:44:33pm

re: #3 Obdicut

I mean, I don't think 'slutty' is something people should be throwing around even for people who do have a lot of sex, but I think it's illustrative that in this case, it's being used against a woman who, by her own account, is monogamous and responsible about her sexuality.

Surely, the right wing idiots aren't coming out against pre-marital sex, are they? In 2012?

They are and have been for years. I got one pet wingnut who believes it "fact" that the source of all of societies current ills (from poverty to youth crime) boil down to adoption of no-fault divorce. Of course, he's a child of the 1950s, and swears up and down that things were truly "perfect" back then, with those times it wasn't just "how things were." And no amount of facts or figures can penetrate that belief, which seems about as dense as neutronium.

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:44:38pm

So is the Jawa Report admitting that reactionary Islam has a point when it comes to putting women in their place


"I don't like the terrorism, but I love how they treat ladies! I'd like to try some of that!"

how the worm turns

25 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #13 allegro

Yes. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that it's ever okay to describe anyone as a slut, or to make judgement on the sex lives of others.

I'm more trying to point out that the right wing is using the insult of 'slutty' in a way that is divorced from reality altogether. They're using it the way pissed-off, rejected frat-boys use it; to describe any woman they're angry with.

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:45:26pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

They are and have been for years. I got one pet wingnut who believes it "fact" that the source of all of societies current ills (from poverty to youth crime) boil down to adoption of no-fault divorce. Of course, he's a child of the 1950s, and swears up and down that things were truly "perfect" back then, with those times it wasn't just "how things were." And no amount of facts or figures can penetrate that belief, which seems about as dense as neutronium.

let me guess, pet wingnut is as white as the driven snow :D

27 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:45:56pm

re: #22 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Wonder in a bad sense, mind you.

Projecting.

This is fascinating you know. It shows the real perversion which lies in the underbelly of the right-wing.

28 Aye Pod  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:46:04pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

People who know they are shit groping for something lower than themselves, I reckon.

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:46:08pm

re: #24 windupbird is in the gravity well

So is the Jawa Report admitting that reactionary Islam has a point when it comes to putting women in their place

"I don't like the terrorism, but I love how they treat ladies! I'd like to try some of that!"

how the worm turns

Then they turn around and assume a victim pose: how dare you call us American Taliban?!?!?

30 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:46:11pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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I think it's because they ran their freak flag up the flagpole and found that the only ones saluting it are other loons.

31 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:46:28pm

re: #24 windupbird is in the gravity well

So is the Jawa Report admitting that reactionary Islam has a point when it comes to putting women in their place

"I don't like the terrorism, but I love how they treat ladies! I'd like to try some of that!"

how the worm turns

Creeping Sharia is A-Okay when you're doing it for Jesus.

Wait a sec...

32 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:46:57pm

re: #27 Gus

Projecting.

This is fascinating you know. It shows the real perversion which lies in the underbelly of the right-wing.

...in real time. We're peering into the minds and thoughts of the right wing. They're a seriously demented group of people.

Non-genetically speaking of course. ;)

33 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:47:39pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

And that is just to the WORD! LOL!

34 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:47:53pm

re: #25 Obdicut

Yes. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that it's ever okay to describe anyone as a slut, or to make judgement on the sex lives of others.

I'm more trying to point out that the right wing is using the insult of 'slutty' in a way that is divorced from reality altogether. They're using it the way pissed-off, rejected frat-boys use it; to describe any woman they're angry with.

I knew that. I just don't want to see it validated as a legitimate topic in any sense. It isn't.

35 Typhaeon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:47:57pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

Can't have pederastry fall solely within the purview of the right-leaning Catholic church, can we? False equivalency is a favorite tactic of the right; hell, it's most Americans' favorite pastime, right after baseball and football.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:48:07pm

re: #32 Gus

...in real time. We're peering into the minds and thoughts of the right wing. They're a seriously demented group of people.

Non-genetically speaking of course. ;)

It's what the internet is for!

The ant farm of the minds of the diseased, all visible for us to watch

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:48:18pm

Then there was this time when Dan Riehl was dreaming about beating up black kids. What's that with Dan Riehl and kids?

38 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:48:22pm

re: #6 Kragar

Remember, these are the people who keep saying they want to elevate women by removing their choices and making sure they live morally acceptable lives.

Fucking hypocrites.

And remember, kids -- the Republican party is an "extremely pro-women" party.

39 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:48:24pm

re: #26 windupbird is in the gravity well

let me guess, pet wingnut is as white as the driven snow :D

Yep. And is the consummate gentlemen, by which I mean he's mooching off his wife, who has a government job, while teaching his sons to be every bit as much of a misogynist dipshit as he is.

40 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:48:56pm

re: #24 windupbird is in the gravity well

So is the Jawa Report admitting that reactionary Islam has a point when it comes to putting women in their place

"I don't like the terrorism, but I love how they treat ladies! I'd like to try some of that!"

how the worm turns

Absolutely. The American right wing has a lot in common with the Taliban.

41 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:49:09pm

re: #37 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Then there was this time when Dan Riehl was dreaming about beating up black kids. What's that with Dan Riehl and kids?

NAMBLA turned him down for being too creepy and he never got over it.

42 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:49:20pm

re: #34 allegro

The smarter idiots furthering this meme are doing it to distract from the real subject, which is equality in health care coverage.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:49:42pm

re: #40 Gus

Absolutely. The American right wing has a lot in common with the Taliban.

I just checked out the Jawa guy's followers on twitter. Not so many lol

45 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:50:02pm

re: #42 jaunte

Yes, let's talk about Viagra coverage...

46 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:50:27pm
47 Aye Pod  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:51:07pm

Night Folks

Youtube Video
48 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:51:31pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

Lack of imagination and low intelligence.

49 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:51:42pm

re: #34 allegro

I've really never understood people who are obsessed with the sex lives of others. What the hell does it matter? There's not a finite amount of sex in the world, other people having sex doesn't cheat me out of any, so why should I care?

50 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:51:49pm
51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:52:08pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Lack of imagination

Meaning, they only muster up what they themselves do? //

52 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:53:05pm

re: #51 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Meaning, they only muster up what they themselves do? //

All they can do is insult people. No logic. No reason. Just one insult after the other. They're like the dumb bully in the playground.

53 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:53:09pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

W.T.F. is with drooling-idiot rightwingers reflexively accusing people of being child molesters? o_O

Monkeys fling whatever they can produce.

54 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:54:51pm

re: #20 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Dan Riehl accused Charles of this too.

Which makes me wonder about Dan Riehl.

A bit of an obsession with child molestation.

55 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:03pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Lack of imagination and low intelligence.

You can't say those things. You'll be accused of thinking that some people might be genetically inferior to you.

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56 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:44pm

re: #49 Obdicut

I've really never understood people who are obsessed with the sex lives of others. What the hell does it matter? There's not a finite amount of sex in the world, other people having sex doesn't cheat me out of any, so why should I care?

Truly a question for the ages.

57 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:47pm

Like I said yesterday, it doesn't matter if Rush apologizes or not, he accomplished what he set out to do, which was to take Fluke's testimony and make it something it wasn't. He turned testimony about the need for a clear mandate that prevents employers and insurance companies from denying contraception that can be used to prevent or treat medical conditions...and turned it into a discussion about the sexual activities of the Georgetown student body and Fluke in particular.

58 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:49pm

re: #46 jaunte

Mitt's answer meant he agrees with Rush calling her a slut, just not the way he called her a slut.

What a turd.

59 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:53pm

re: #52 Gus

It says something about a dude when he finds the subject of child molestation funny.

60 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:54pm

re: #46 jaunte

Love Michael McKean; as much stuff as he's done over the years, he'll always be Lenny.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:56:02pm

re: #55 Lidane

You can't say those things. You'll be accused of thinking that some people might be genetically inferior to you.

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By Very Serious people.

62 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:57:31pm

Two-tailed comet break:

63 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:58:19pm

re: #62 jaunte

Two-tailed comet break:

Cool.

64 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:58:27pm

re: #62 jaunte

Two-tailed comet break:

What a dirty slutty whore!

65 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:58:57pm

re: #55 Lidane

You can't say those things. You'll be accused of thinking that some people might be genetically inferior to you.

///

Some of them might in fact have very high IQs.

//

66 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:59:12pm

Enjoyed some loquats tonight (combined with chocolate - wonderful). They were smallish but had that sparkling taste somewhere between a green apple and a bartlett pear (all three types of fruit are closely related in the Rosacea family.)

The loquats are definitely early this season - I picked the first ones almost 3 weeks ago. Many plants are off schedule here. Weird, weird fall and winter around the nation.

67 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:59:45pm

re: #65 Gus

Some of them might in fact have very high IQs.

//

high 160s?

68 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:00:09pm

re: #38 Lidane

And remember, kids -- the Republican party is an "extremely pro-women" party.

In what alternate universe was that again?

69 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:00:34pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

It seems he might have finally gone too far even for the advertisers willing to take P.C. hits in exchange for word of mouth name brand notoriety.

70 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:01:01pm

re: #58 Kragar

Mitt's answer meant he agrees with Rush calling her a slut, just not the way he called her a slut.

What a turd.

And Santorum's answer means that he thinks Rush was being absurd and funny and that people don't have a sense of humor.

71 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:01:12pm

re: #66 freetoken

Enjoyed some loquats tonight (combined with chocolate - wonderful). They were smallish but had that sparkling taste somewhere between a green apple and a bartlett pear (all three types of fruit are closely related in the Rosacea family.)

The loquats are definitely early this season - I picked the first ones almost 3 weeks ago. Many plants are off schedule here. Weird, weird fall and winter around the nation.

My mom used to make loquat pies that she would serve warm with melted cheddar cheese on top. So delicious.

72 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:02:08pm

re: #68 b_sharp

In what alternate universe was that again?

In the one that Michele Bachmann lives in:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

73 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:03:04pm

re: #20 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Dan Riehl accused Charles of this too.

Which makes me wonder about Dan Riehl.

Hey, Dan...ain't this your vehicle?
Image: free_candy_van.jpg
If it is, may we see you being escorted into this one:
Image: fbi-party-van.jpg

/just sayin'

74 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:04:08pm

re: #70 Lidane

And Santorum's answer means that he thinks Rush was being absurd and funny and that people don't have a sense of humor.

Santorum's was what we've come to expect from the Right, at least when they're not trying to make really bad defenses of his remarks, and that's to pull the "He's an entertainer, he's supposed to be shocking!" bit. As though Rush is some Howard Stern wannabe shock jock.

75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:07:23pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Like I said yesterday, it doesn't matter if Rush apologizes or not, he accomplished what he set out to do, which was to take Fluke's testimony and make it something it wasn't. He turned testimony about the need for a clear mandate that prevents employers and insurance companies from denying contraception that can be used to prevent or treat medical conditions...and turned it into a discussion about the sexual activities of the Georgetown student body and Fluke in particular.

Yeah, Fluke is obviously promiscuous and cheap...hmmm, I wonder what she looks like in a "seven of nine" skintight silver bodysuit...

Anyway, yeah right, uhh...contraception, insurance, whatever...

///

76 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:07:52pm

re: #3 Obdicut

I mean, I don't think 'slutty' is something people should be throwing around even for people who do have a lot of sex, but I think it's illustrative that in this case, it's being used against a woman who, by her own account, is monogamous and responsible about her sexuality.

Surely, the right wing idiots aren't coming out against pre-marital sex, are they? In 2012?

Rick Santorum is already on record against it.

77 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:07:57pm

re: #72 Lidane

In the one that Michele Bachmann lives in:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Ah, the inverted one inside her head.

78 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:08:32pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Rick Santorum is already on record against it.

Not only against it, but pretty positive it's the reason for the downfall of society.

/

79 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:08:41pm

Do you suppose that anyone's explained to Rush yet that oral contraceptives cost the same whether you have sex once a month, once a year, or every day?

80 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:09:54pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Not only against it, but pretty positive it's the reason for the downfall of society.

/

The imaginary society of the '50s.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:10:04pm

re: #73 talon_262

Hey, Dan...ain't this your vehicle?
Image: free_candy_van.jpg
If it is, may we see you being escorted into this one:
Image: fbi-party-van.jpg

/just sayin'

That's even worse than the ATF cattle trucks!

Three updings to whomever can explain that reference. Hint: It does not refer to a conspiracy theory, but does refer to an event that radicalized a prominent conspiracy theorist.

82 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:10:08pm

re: #79 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Limbaugh's ignorance on a subject has never stopped him before, so I doubt any education on dosage of contraceptives will matter to him.

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:10:30pm

re: #79 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I'm sure he's well aware of that fact, but his 'johns' are paying him for a fantasy, not the truth.

84 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:10:46pm

re: #44 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Dan Riehl’s Imaginary Black Kid Beatdown

Damn, some of the names in that thread bring me back. I joined just a week or so after that.

85 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:10:49pm

re: #79 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Do you suppose that anyone's explained to Rush yet that oral contraceptives cost the same whether you have sex once a month, once a year, or every day?

No, he thinks oral contraceptives are like a viagra.

86 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:11:26pm

re: #79 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Do you suppose that anyone's explained to Rush yet that oral contraceptives cost the same whether you have sex once a month, once a year, or every day?

Oh, I'm pretty sure that someone has, or that Rush already knew. But, like honey badger, Rush just don't give a fuck.

87 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:13:39pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Rick Santorum is already on record against it.

Rick Santorum is already on record as being against the Enlightenment, heliocentrism, and not being a total douchebag. The rest is details.

88 Kragar  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:13:56pm

re: #85 Learned Mother of Zion

No, he thinks oral contraceptives are like a viagra.

Prescribed under someone elses name before you vacation in a country thats known for underage prostitution?

89 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:13:59pm

re: #79 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Do you suppose that anyone's explained to Rush yet that oral contraceptives cost the same whether you have sex once a month, once a year, or every day?

He wouldn't care. His broadcast was about spewing a stream of hate at Sandra Fluke to pump up his ratings, not about truth.

90 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:14:16pm

re: #85 Learned Mother of Zion

No, he thinks oral contraceptives are like a viagra.

His four wives must have told him that.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:15:47pm

re: #87 Lidane

Rick Santorum is already on record as being against the Enlightenment, heliocentrism, and not being a total douchebag. The rest is details.

He's not on record against Heliocentrism, just the changes made to Catholicism during and since the 2nd Vatican Council.

92 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:16:32pm

I notice that the non-"conservative" religious crowd is quite angry about Limbaugh too (example).

In fact, the only ones in our society who are too stupid or too stubborn to admit or realize that Limbaugh just made an ass of himself are the self-declared "conservative" wingnut crowd. Unfortunately for the GOP, the Republican strategic leaders long sold out their soul for the wingnut faithful in order to have activists to exploit.

93 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:16:41pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

He's not on record against Heliocentrism, just the changes made to Catholicism during and since the 2nd Vatican Council.

He's no better than Torquemada, Dark. I'd bet money if you asked him, he'd say that it's obvious that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:17:52pm

For the record, my baby sister has endometriosis.

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:18:05pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

I'd say the odds of growing up in America and getting to be his age while not knowing how "the pill" works are greater than that of being struck by lightning while purchasing a winning lottery ticket.

96 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:18:09pm

re: #93 Lidane

He's no better than Torquemada, Dark. I'd bet money if you asked him, he'd say that it's obvious that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

*ahem* He isn't torturing conversions out of people. He is better than Torquemeda.

And screw you for making me defend Rick Santorum.

97 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:19:08pm

Hunter Thompson had a quote about television journalism that fits well for Fox News, but also describes Rush Limbaugh fairly well:

The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.

Which is more or less true. For the most part, they are dirty little animals with huge brains and no pulse. Every once in a while, they will toss up a token human like Ed Bradley or Edwin Newman or Hughes Rudd... and there are others, no doubt, like Studs Terkel in Chicago and the twisted Rev. Gene Scott, who works like a sleepless ferret in the maniac bowels of Southern California....

But these are only the exceptions that prove the hideous rule. Mainly we are dealing with a profoundly degenerate world, a living web of foulness, greed and treachery... which is also the biggest real business around and impossible to ignore. You can't get away from TV. It is everywhere. The hog is in the tunnel.

Source: Hunter S. Thompson, Generation of Swine: Tales of Shame and Degradation in the '80s (New York: Summit Books, 1988

98 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:19:17pm

re: #96 The Right Height

*ahem* He isn't torturing conversions out of people. He is better than Torquemeda.

Only because he can't. If he had his way, the entire 20th Century would be outlawed.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:22:04pm

re: #96 The Right Height

*ahem* He isn't torturing conversions out of people. He is better than Torquemeda.

And screw you for making me defend Rick Santorum.

Actually, Torquemeda (according to his Wikipedia page) did not actually have authority over those who did not claim to be Catholic. What happened was that a frequent target of the Inquisition were Conversos, Muslims and Jews who had converted to Catholicism rather than be expelled from Spain. Many such people were suspected of still practicing their former religion in secret.

100 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:23:31pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Torquemeda (according to his Wikipedia page) did not actually have authority over those who did not claim to be Catholic. What happened was that a frequent target of the Inquisition were Conversos, Muslims and Jews who had converted to Catholicism rather than be expelled from Spain. Many such people were suspected of still practicing their former religion in secret.

Well that's the last time I defend Rick Santorum.

101 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:24:30pm

re: #100 The Right Height

Well that's the last time I defend Rick Santorum.

We all have to wear the Devil's Advocate robes once in a while. It builds character.

102 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:24:42pm

re: #79 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Do you suppose that anyone's explained to Rush yet that oral contraceptives cost the same whether you have sex once a month, once a year, or every day?

If there's one skill that right wingers have perfected it's the ability to feign ignorance of well known facts when it's convenient. Any man of Rush's age knows goddamned well how the Pill works, everyone does. The round four week birth control pill dispenser is an iconic image in society.

The single application multi month BC treatment like Depo Provera and that implant that goes in the arm under the skin (the name escapes me) are relatively new, but their cost isn't less overall because they're medical procedures administered by professionals.

104 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:28:05pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

that implant that goes in the arm under the skin (the name escapes me)

Norplant

105 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:29:19pm

re: #100 The Right Height

Well that's the last time I defend Rick Santorum.

Another interesting fact about Torquemeda explains some of Rick Santorum's appeal, even to me:He was genuinely incorruptible, so much so that he had to act to prevent people from transferring ordinary criminal and civil cases to the Inquisition, which many people were willing to risk doing because the ordinary courts of Spain were so corrupt. It is entirely possible to argue that Rick Santorum is not in fact incorruptible, but to many conservatives he seems to be so compared to Mitt Romney, if for no other reason than Santorum will actually stand up under fire and defend his record.

106 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:29:54pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

If there's one skill that right wingers have perfected it's the ability to feign ignorance of well known facts when it's convenient. Any man of Rush's age knows goddamned well how the Pill works, everyone does. The round four week birth control pill dispenser is an iconic image in society.

The single application multi month BC treatment like Depo Provera and that implant that goes in the arm under the skin (the name escapes me) are relatively new, but their cost isn't less overall because they're medical procedures administered by professionals.

I've been told repeatedly now by wingnuts that you can't spend $3000 in 3 years on birth control, because the pill's so "cheap." Thus, according to them, the woman's a liar who knowingly perjured herself before Congress.

So yeah, it doesn't matter whether they understand it or not, they all "know" one thing: She's either a liar or a slut, but most likely both.

107 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:30:05pm

Rick Santorum does not believe in evolution.
Rick Santorum would like to teach creationism in schools.
Rick Santorum is against stem-cell research.
Rick Santorum believes in Satan.

I don't care whether or not he's the second coming of Torquemada. He's still one of the dumbest people we've ever had running for President, and the fact that he's *thisclose* to the Presidency scares the shit out of me.

108 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:30:36pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

Another interesting fact about Torquemeda explains some of Rick Santorum's appeal, even to me:He was genuinely incorruptible, so much so that he had to act to prevent people from transferring ordinary criminal and civil cases to the Inquisition, which many people were willing to risk doing because the ordinary courts of Spain were so corrupt. It is entirely possible to argue that Rick Santorum is not in fact incorruptible, but to many conservatives he seems to be so compared to Mitt Romney, if for no other reason than Santorum will actually stand up under fire and defend his record.

Okay, you're not helping.

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:31:24pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Pretending for a second that Rush really is that ignorant and uneducated on the matter, it would be nearly impossible for his entire staff, producers, studio techs, and on and on, to be just as equally ignorant and uneducated such that he would carry on with such stupidity for three straight days.

110 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:32:11pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

... It is entirely possible to argue that Rick Santorum is not in fact incorruptible, but to many conservatives he seems to be so compared to Mitt Romney, if for no other reason than Santorum will actually stand up under fire and defend his record.

Such as defending Vincent K. McMahon on steroid charges... the same McMahon whose wrestlers die way too young.

111 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:32:31pm

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

Pretending for a second that Rush really is that ignorant and uneducated on the matter, it would be nearly impossible for his entire staff, producers, studio techs, and on and on, to be just as equally ignorant and uneducated such that he would carry on with such stupidity for three straight days.

Easy to do when you're a yes man in a cush job on one of the highest-rated radio shows on the air.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:32:41pm

re: #107 BongCrodny

Rick Santorum does not believe in evolution.
Rick Santorum would like to teach creationism in schools.
Rick Santorum is against stem-cell research.
Rick Santorum believes in Satan.

I don't care whether or not he's the second coming of Torquemada. He's still one of the dumbest people we've ever had running for President, and the fact that he's *thisclose* to the Presidency scares the shit out of me.

Omit that last one. Belief in Satan does not disqualify one from being President. If it did, one would have had to retroactively disqualify most of our presidents, including at least two who are still living (Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush).

113 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:33:32pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Omit that last one. Belief in Satan does not disqualify one from being President. If it did, one would have had to retroactively disqualify most of our presidents, including at least two who are still living (Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush).

To me the question is whether you believe in Satan, or whether you routinely check under the bed for him.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:33:55pm

re: #111 talon_262

Ah, good point. Also why The Behemoth never lasted long in any office environment.

115 Mocking Jay  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:34:50pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Omit that last one. Belief in Satan does not disqualify one from being President. If it did, one would have had to retroactively disqualify most of our presidents, including at least two who are still living (Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush).

Technically, none of that disqualifies someone from being President. But someone's entitled to vote on that criteria just as much as someone who would refuse to vote against someone who worshipped Satan.

116 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:35:16pm

re: #110 freetoken

Such as defending Vincent K. McMahon on steroid charges... the same McMahon whose wrestlers die way too young.

Didn't say I agreed with him, but he does defend his actions when booed and criticized. By contrast, Mitt Romney has so far tended to abandon his positions as soon as he comes under heavy fire in favor of "'me too'ing" whatever position he thinks the party base has taken.

117 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:37:54pm

"God wouldn't have given women tummy pockets if He didn't want babies to be swimming around in them."

//

118 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:38:06pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

My bigger point, besides that McMahon is a hypocrite and representative of so much of modern America in what he does, is that Santorum can be bought for the right price.

That is what politicians do in a democracy - go to the highest bidder (of voting blocs.) Santorum's not the idiot on many topics that he presents himself to be, in order for the wingnut crowd to identify with him. He markets himself to the hyper-religious crowd much better than Mitt, that's all.

119 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:38:11pm

re: #115 The Right Height

Technically, none of that disqualifies someone from being President. But someone's entitled to vote on that criteria just as much as someone who would refuse to vote against someone who worshipped Satan.

True. But including that last would disqualify me, since I do believe that Satan exists and inflicts misery on humanity to satisfy his hatred and butthurt. To me though, Satan is the ultimate Butthurt Loser. I wouldn't be surprised if turns out he posts regularly on the Stalker Blog.

120 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:38:25pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Romney's support for the individual mandate, and his current lies about never supporting it, are really being hammered on at the moment on the right-wing blogs.

Romney's problems go beyond me-tooing, into outright lying, over and over and over.

121 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:39:11pm

BTW--I don't routinely check under the bed, mostly because I'm afraid of the dust bunnies that I'm certain have taken over under there.

122 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:39:15pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Why would god allow another supernatural entity to just dick around with humanity like that?

I don't understand theologies where god is an asshole.

123 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:40:26pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

He's not on record against Heliocentrism, just the changes made to Catholicism during and since the 2nd Vatican Council.

Arguably the biggest change made at Vatican 2 was they put an end to teaching that Jews were collectively guilty for the crucifixion of Christ.

Is Santorum one of those Society of Pius X douchebags?

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:40:36pm

re: #122 Obdicut

*cough*

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:41:01pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

He's not on record against Heliocentrism, just the changes made to Catholicism during and since the 2nd Vatican Council.

I've been saying it a lot recently but he really is spouting the Falangist line. They were a nationalist, Roman Catholic theocratic, organisation that was anti-democracy and anti-union via a fig leaf of anti-Communism. "God, Nation, Family" with everyone in their proper place and no need for any intellectual curiosity either.

It lead directly to their civil war and its totalitarian aftermath that crippled two generations in Spain and it's still hurting their nation to this day.

And Santorum is getting how many agreeing with him? He's very much the most dangerous candidate of the bunch - both for his message and for the fact that he is a true believer of it.

126 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:41:26pm

re: #111 talon_262

Easy to do when you're a yes man in a cush job on one of the highest-rated radio shows on the air.

Not saying that's right or wrong, by the way, but radio is still a cutthroat business. It can take someone years to make it onto the production staff of a high-profile show such as Rush's; it would be career suicide to go against the "star".

Not unless they want to be sent to an affiliate in scenic locales such as Nome, Fargo, or Nogales.

127 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:42:26pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Romney's support for the individual mandate, and his current lies about never supporting it, are really being hammered on at the moment on the right-wing blogs.

Oh yeah. That one is going to bite him in the ass.

Romney Urged Obama To Embrace Individual Mandate In 2009

128 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:43:07pm

re: #125 William Barnett-Lewis

Absolutely. Of all the current GOP candidates, Santorum is the one George Orwell would most want to punch in the mouth.

129 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:44:44pm

Here is a good example of how the GOP's fiscal conservatism is a fucking failure:

Image: 417434_185576588216000_100002909812407_320618_1499972823_n.jpg

130 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:46:52pm

Bill Maher's Warning to Liberals: Obama Could Still Lose to Santorum

SNIP

Yes, the Republicans may look harmless and fragmented now, but much like a dismembered monster in a slasher movie, soon the hand will start crawling towards the arm, and then the whole ghoulish creature will reassemble itself.

Yes, Obama could lose. And in fact, in the swing states, which are the only states that matter, he is losing in this week's Gallup poll, to both Romney and Santorum. 59% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track, and that's before they gave away the Best Picture award to some silent French movie where nothing blows up!

I often talk about how conservatives are in a bubble, but liberals have their bubble too. And inside it, Obama is a shoe-in, because the Republicans are just so ridiculously out of touch. Well, they may be out of touch with you, but believe me, they're in touch with your brother-in-law in rural Pennsylvania. He doesn't hear Rick Santorum warn that homosexuality can lead to bestiality and say, "Why, that's absurd." He hears Rick Santorum say that, and tells his wife, "Honey, keep cousin Glen away from the cat."

131 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:47:35pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Arguably the biggest change made at Vatican 2 was they put an end to teaching that Jews were collectively guilty for the crucifixion of Christ.

Is Santorum one of those Society of Pius X douchebags?

No, he is not. He's much closer to Opus Dei, though he is not formally a member of that organization.

132 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:48:05pm

re: #130 Gus

Bill Maher's Warning to Liberals: Obama Could Still Lose to Santorum

Moral of the story: Be very, very vigilant.

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:48:17pm

Can a supernatural, omnipotent being create the personification of ultimate, supernatural evil, allow it dominion over it's lesser creations, and still be considered "good"?

134 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:49:25pm

re: #132 talon_262

Moral of the story: Be very, very vigilant.

Yep. And apathy leads to lower voter turnouts. People need to go out and vote like their lives depended on it. They can't think "there's no way Obama can lose this." Then yawn and go back to be on election day.

135 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:49:54pm

re: #134 Gus

I'm going to do get-out-the-vote stuff. Should have enough free time for it.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:50:02pm

re: #130 Gus

Bill Maher's Warning to Liberals: Obama Could Still Lose to Santorum

Bill Maher as the "Bitter Fool".


That is not an insult, BTW. It's a King Lear reference.

137 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:50:30pm

re: #130 Gus

I too contend that Obama is not a shoe-in, but perhaps for different reasons than Maher.

Economic crisis - in a family, or community, leads to discontent that finds a way to be exhibited. Taking out one's unhappiness on others can translate to the voting booth quite easily.

138 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #137 freetoken

I too contend that Obama is not a shoe-in, but perhaps for different reasons than Maher.

Economic crisis - in a family, or community, leads to discontent that finds a way to be exhibited. Taking out one's unhappiness on others can translate to the voting booth quite easily.

Very true. Which is why even the most optimistic amongst us keep pointing out that Obama's not out of the woods yet. Any major economic crisis between now and November has the potential to spark up another 'round of "Vote the bum out!"

139 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:52:47pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

Can a supernatural, omnipotent being create the personification of ultimate, supernatural evil, allow it dominion over it's lesser creations, and still be considered "good"?

I'm not going to argue theology. I'm not that good at such arguments, and I'm too tired. The game I'd planned for weeks ended up canceled today, but not before I spent $24 dollars on a taxi to get to where it was to be held. Hauling all the stuff I'd brought for it as far as I did was tiring, and ultimately frustrating.

140 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:53:33pm

re: #134 Gus

Yep. And apathy leads to lower voter turnouts. People need to go out and vote like their lives depended on it. They can't think "there's no way Obama can lose this."

And it's not just about Obama - the most important thing is to make sure the GOP doesn't take the Senate and doesn't keep the House. I'm hoping the through-the-toilet-and-into-the-septic-tank ratings of Congress might help with that.

141 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:53:44pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

That deeply deeply, deeply, deeply sucks.

Few worse things than something you were looking forwards to, and had gone to a lot of hassle for, being cancelled.

142 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:54:08pm

re: #130 Gus

Bill Maher's Warning to Liberals: Obama Could Still Lose to Santorum

Yep. Count me among the people who felt weirded out by Kos's "have Democrats vote for Santorum" strategy. I'm not in love with Mitt Romney, but I still get the impression he wouldn't govern by viewing *everything* through a Jesus filter.

"Be careful what you wish for," and all that.

143 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:54:20pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

Can a supernatural, omnipotent being create the personification of ultimate, supernatural evil, allow it dominion over it's lesser creations, and still be considered "good"?

Oh, are we arguing theology?

What if the evil being can only have the power that humans give it?

144 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:57:09pm

re: #134 Gus

Yep. And apathy leads to lower voter turnouts. People need to go out and vote like their lives depended on it. They can't think "there's no way Obama can lose this." Then yawn and go back to be on election day.

Not to throw out too much hyperbole, but for some, this may literally be true. For the rest of us, it's still very, very important.

145 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:57:43pm

re: #140 Interesting Times

And it's not just about Obama - the most important thing is to make sure the GOP doesn't take the Senate and doesn't keep the House. I'm hoping the through-the-toilet-and-into-the-septic-tank ratings of Congress might help with that.

Yep. The House can stay under GOP control. It would be nice to see it go back to the Dems but that would be difficult. The Senate has to remain in Dem hands as well as the White House.

Never take anything for granted. I look forward to the presidential debates.

146 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:57:50pm

re: #142 BongCrodny

Yep. Count me among the people who felt weirded out by Kos's "have Democrats vote for Santorum" strategy. I'm not in love with Mitt Romney, but I still get the impression he wouldn't govern by viewing *everything* through a Jesus filter.

"Be careful what you wish for," and all that.

It's a toss-up between Santorum and Romney in who would be the easier candidate to beat. Santorum would scare the shit out of a lot of folks, but find fertile ground in rural areas and amongst those looking for a "change," while Romney's utter lack of charisma makes him about as likable as a piece of driftwood.

147 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:58:36pm

From today:


Santorum and the Idiocy of Home Schooling

[...]

I watched the Arizona debate on the tube, actually from outside Tucson with Michael Kinsley. The most salient feature of the four-candidate confrontation was, as USA Today reported, that they “mauled a few facts.” Still, it's interesting to watch a discussion in which one has no stake in anyone coming out on top. But, frankly, I thought that Rick Santorum had the most charm, was the most honest, and conveyed the most sincerity and earnestness of all the four. The index of his candor is, while he may rise in the estimation of primary voters, he continues to alienate the general electorate. But the fact is that he's a nutcase, a very genial nutcase. [...]

The fortunetellers have switched their divinations, and that makes for a wave. Ten days or maybe two weeks ago, mostly they foresaw the president losing. Now he's winning. Actually the polls don't tell you much. But what they do tell you is that the Republican debates are alienating the electorate from the party's contenders. Just wait till after Tampa, however. The nominees will change their tune. And maybe the stock market, now going up a bit, will come down again. And gas prices will continue their climb. Anyway, it's eight months before D-day. This does not necessarily translate into Democrat's day.

148 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:58:45pm

re: #144 talon_262

Not to throw out too much hyperbole, but for some, this may literally be true. For the rest of us, it's still very, very important.

Yes. I think for all of us. Especially given the war powers of the president.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:00:01pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

The game I'd planned for weeks ended up canceled today, but not before I spent $24 dollars on a taxi to get to where it was to be held. Hauling all the stuff I'd brought for it as far as I did was tiring, and ultimately frustrating.

I once made plans with a friend to do something or other. He was gonna drive. After it was clear we were going to be late, and he still hadn't come round to pick me up, I called him. He said he decided to do something else, without having the common fucking courtesy to let me know.

We're not friends anymore.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:00:15pm

re: #145 Gus

Yep. The House can stay under GOP control. It would be nice to see it go back to the Dems but that would be difficult. The Senate has to remain in Dem hands as well as the White House.

Never take anything for granted. I look forward to the presidential debates.

The Dems will have a hard time retaining the Senate. The math there is not in their favor.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:01:03pm

re: #143 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Oh, are we arguing theology?

What if the evil being can only have the power that humans give it?

That might be a decent argument, if said evil was not the creation of an omnipotent being.

152 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:01:47pm

re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth

I once made plans with a friend to do something or other. He was gonna drive. After it was clear we were going to be late, and he still hadn't come round to pick me up, I called him. He said he decided to do something else, without having the common fucking courtesy to let me know.

We're not friends anymore.

What a douchebag...

153 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:03:48pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

The Dems will have a hard time retaining the Senate. The math there is not in their favor.

I don't know what the current projections are.

154 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:04:15pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

The Dems will have a hard time retaining the Senate. The math there is not in their favor.

But the GOP insanity is :P As well as Snowe's parting gift.

155 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:06:41pm

re: #154 Interesting Times

But the GOP insanity is :P As well as Snowe's parting gift.

There's also Bob Kerrey.

Puritopians need to shut up and sit down however.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:06:49pm

re: #141 Obdicut

That deeply deeply, deeply, deeply sucks.

Few worse things than something you were looking forwards to, and had gone to a lot of hassle for, being cancelled.

Thank you for that. I'll play the scenario I wrote eventually, but I'm going to wait till the Hexpack: Mountains and Canyons comes in. I need it to add to the map to get the effect I want.

157 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:07:23pm

re: #153 Gus

I don't know what the current projections are.

The idea being commonly spouted is that since more (D) controlled Senate seats are up for election, and given that some of them in states where the previous election winner for (D) were very close, that the GOP has increased odds of taking a few (D) Senate seats.

However, such arguments are not good exercises in probability.

More importantly, elections are not random events. Each of those Senate races can be influenced greatly over the next 8 months.

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:07:40pm

re: #152 talon_262

As a friend, I might fuck up and do something that I'll have to apologize for later. But I will apologize.

One thing I don't do is treat friends with that kind of disregard, and now that I recall the incident a little clearer (it was a long time ago), the "something else" he decided to do was simply stay home without cluing me into that fact.

159 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:08:13pm

re: #154 Interesting Times

But the GOP insanity is :P As well as Snowe's parting gift.

That's really interesting.

I wonder if Snowe may have purposely timed her departure so that state Republicans -- a lot of whom she's reportedly not a fan of -- would have a hard time meeting the filing requirements.

She certainly could have announced this *months* ago instead of waiting until only three weeks before the deadline to announce her retirement.

160 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:10:18pm

re: #155 Gus

There's also Bob Kerrey.

Puritopians need to shut up and sit down however.

And look at who one of the "PURGE THE DINO" screamers is:

“I hope he gets carpet bombed. The more Republicans spend in Nebraska, the less they’ll have to go after Democratic Senate candidates who actually act like Democrats,” said Markos Moulitsas, the founder of the influential blog Daily Kos. “And if it turns out he needs the help, then too bad. Fuck him.”

This quote was edited by me to "unbleep" Moulitsas' exploitative.

161 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:10:24pm

You ready for this?

Vinnie
@JawaVinnie

@Gus_802 Low class? Are you talking about the comments your side directed toward Andrew Breitbart after his death?

Twitter post found here.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:11:27pm

re: #159 BongCrodny

That's really interesting.

I wonder if Snowe may have purposely timed her departure so that state Republicans -- a lot of whom she's reportedly not a fan of -- would have a hard time meeting the filing requirements.

She certainly could have announced this *months* ago instead of waiting until only three weeks before the deadline to announce her retirement.

One problem of hating on some one: you may end up finding they hate you too.

163 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:11:31pm

Ergo. Vinnie boy thinks he's not a low class loser for posting that page on Sandra Fluke because of "the comments your side directed toward Andrew Breitbart after his death."

Derp.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:13:16pm

re: #161 Gus

You're side? When did you get your own side? This is not fair. I want a side of my very own, too!

165 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:13:20pm

Back in 1992, George H.W. Bush went from an extremely popular president cruising to a second term to losing in a three-way election.

A lot can happen between now and November. Nothing is set in stone until the votes are in. I don't take anything for granted as far as Obama's chances for a second term. I think they're better than average, and that the GOP is hurting itself with their atavistic, retrograde nonsense, but I can't predict the future.

166 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:14:29pm

re: #163 Gus

Magic balance demon.

167 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:15:47pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

You're side? When did you get your own side? This is not fair. I want a side of my very own, too!

I know, right? My side? Derp! Talk about moving the goal posts.

But speaking of "my side" I've barely seen much invective WRT Breitbart on Twitter. There's been criticism. Worst I've seen was Matt Taibbi's piece. I even Tweeted a condolence note to those pain in the asses, Big Government.

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:15:54pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

On second thought, fuck that. It sounds like too much work. I'll just stick with the Army of Me.

169 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:15:55pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

The Dems will have a hard time retaining the Senate. The math there is not in their favor.

Actually it is. With Olympia Snowe quitting and Bob Kerrey running for his old Nebraska seat the outlook is no longer that good for the Republicans. Snowe having been the sole Republican vote against repealing the birth control coverage rule will cement the party's awful reputation with women, and sane men. The Republicans are going to be dealing with the aftermath of this vote for a long time.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:16:05pm

re: #165 Lidane

Back in 1992, George H.W. Bush went from an extremely popular president cruising to a second term to losing in a three-way election.

A lot can happen between now and November. Nothing is set in stone until the votes are in. I don't take anything for granted as far as Obama's chances for a second term. I think they're better than average, and that the GOP is hurting itself with their atavistic, retrograde nonsense, but I can't predict the future.

Although Obama won't have to face one problem that proved crippling to Bush the Elder: Obama won't have to face a strong third-party challenge siphoning votes away from him.

171 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:13pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Although Obama won't have to face one problem that proved crippling to Bush the Elder: Obama won't have to face a strong third-party challenge siphoning votes away from him.

That's because all of Perot's voters are now crippling the GOP, since they're basically the Tea Party base.

172 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:35pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

One problem of hating on some one: you may end up finding they hate you too.

Bleeding heart liberal that I am, I've only once voted for Ms. Snowe, and that was when she was a Representative.

Still, she's served this state quite honorably for 33 years, and the sheer antipathy of the comments she's received from Republicans I would imagine must be somewhat heartbreaking.

173 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:36pm

Gov. Kasich to Tornado-Stricken Clermont County: Drop Dead

One county to the east of Cincinnati, the town of Moscow in Clermont County was nearly wiped off the map. A normal governor with a minimal shred of competence or compassion would immediately declare the county a disaster area, and coordinate with FEMA and other federal agencies on the recovery. Governor Mitch Daniels in neighboring Indiana -- hardly a flaming liberal -- has declared 11 Indiana counties to be disaster areas, clearing the way for federal help. Across the river in Kentucky, Gov. Steve Beshear has similarly declared a statewide emergency.

But here in Ohio, Kasich has responded to the disaster with the type of "leadership" we've come to expect from him:
...
Gov. John Kasich said he’s not planning to request that Clermont County be declared a federal disaster area.
...
Unbelievable. An entire Ohio town has been wiped off the map, but Gov. Kasich refuses to declare Clermont County area a disaster area, because that would make it eligible for federal help. And by "unbelievable," I mean totally believable for a teabag-waving sociopath like Kasich.

174 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:53pm
175 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:18:56pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Although Obama won't have to face one problem that proved crippling to Bush the Elder: Obama won't have to face a strong third-party challenge siphoning votes away from him.

The potential for a strong third-party challenge exists this year, but unlike the last two elections, it's likely to be from a far-right challenger. The TP base looking to find somebody, anybody, who they think is "purer" than Romney.

176 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:19:12pm

re: #167 Gus

I even Tweeted a condolence note to those pain in the asses, Big Government.

It's the grown up thing to do. I had little good to say about him in life. In his death, I'll let his loved ones write his epitaph. At least for now, anyway.

177 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:20:05pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

Gov. Kasich to Tornado-Stricken Clermont County: Drop Dead

This is great news for John McCain Mitt Romney!

///

178 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:20:06pm

re: #169 goddamnedfrank

Actually it is. With Olympia Snowe quitting and Bob Kerrey running for his old Nebraska seat the outlook is no longer that good for the Republicans. Snowe having been the sole Republican vote against repealing the birth control coverage rule will cement the party's awful reputation with women, and sane men. The Republicans are going to be dealing with the aftermath of this vote for a long time.

I'm not so sure about Kerry. He'll be facing a lot of internal opposition.

It seems like that both parties have purists who'd like to simply withdraw from Maine in the case of Republicans or Nebraska in the case of the Democrats in the interests of "purity". I cannot oppose such sentiments strongly enough. America needs national parties. Two regional parties would leave us facing the sort of problems Belgium is facing right now, at more than 500 days without a settled government.

179 palomino  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:20:49pm

re: #165 Lidane

Back in 1992, George H.W. Bush went from an extremely popular president cruising to a second term to losing in a three-way election.

A lot can happen between now and November. Nothing is set in stone until the votes are in. I don't take anything for granted as far as Obama's chances for a second term. I think they're better than average, and that the GOP is hurting itself with their atavistic, retrograde nonsense, but I can't predict the future.

Good point. I sense that Dems are getting overconfident because the GOP field looks so weak and party members are unhappy with their choices. But look at the minefield for Obama between now and November: an economy recovering but not yet healthy; gas prices; Iran; well-funded SuperPacs out to destroy him, etc. Moreover, his approval rating is 50-50 (actually 47-47, since 6% of the public, for some reason, can't make up their minds), numbers which hardly assure re-elections. And he only leads Romney by about 4-5 points in early potential match-up polls.

180 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:23:05pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

Gov. Kasich to Tornado-Stricken Clermont County: Drop Dead

That's the same dickless wonder who had his union-busting overturned by a strong majority of the state, right?

181 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:23:53pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

Gov. Kasich to Tornado-Stricken Clermont County: Drop Dead

Have I mentioned lately that I hate John Kasich? Well, I do. Mostly with me its his syrupy voice and mannerisms. The juxtaposition between his "I care about you tone and manner and his governing with a seeming devotion to Objectivism only makes me hate him more.

182 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:24:28pm

Here son. Let me show you what I did on my blog today.

Daddy? What's Demon Semen?

Well. That doesn't matter now. The important thing is that woman there? Well she's a slut. Not just the one with the tattoo but that woman I wrote about.

[Son starts crying, "mommy!"]

//

183 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:25:05pm

Liking this one an awful lot:

Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly. "The Real McCoy"

Youtube Video

If pro wrestling is not your bag, I would humbly suggest: volume up, browser minimized. :-)

184 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:25:22pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

That's the same dickless wonder who had his union-busting overturned by a strong majority of the state, right?

Yes, its' true: John Kasich has no dick. .... Well, that's what I heard!

/Who you gonna call?

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:25:50pm

re: #163 Gus

It's interesting, how he assumes you're on the side of those who reveled in Breitbart's death simply because you called him out on his nasty behavior wrt Fluke.

If someone called me out for kicking a puppy (not that I ever would), I would not jump to the conclusion that they support domestic terrorists like ALF.

186 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:25:58pm

American dominance of the sea will fade, slowly, as our wealth has been squandered and our leaders' willingness to invest in the future evaporates:


US Navy welcomes two ships into research fleet

US oceanographers this week received a welcome boost when the US Navy announced it had finalized contracts for the construction of two 73-metre research vessels. Set to launch in 2014 and 2015, the two vessels, costing around $145 million, will replace members of the existing fleet. But despite the good news, many researchers are concerned that other ageing vessels in the fleet won’t get replaced.

[...]

It has taken more than ten years of planning and negotiating to reach the construction phase for the ships. The Navy was originally going to build four vessels, but budget cuts in 2009 reduced that number to two: AGOR 27 and AGOR 28, as they will be known until they are given proper names.

[...]

The more efficient engines on the new ships are especially important because rising fuel costs, combined with relatively flat research funding, have significantly cut the number of days researchers are able to go to sea each year. “There is a lot more science that needs to be done” than there is ship time available to do it, says Appelgate.

The funding problems extend to securing new vessels for the research fleet. Researchers began pushing in 1973 for a global-range ship with a hull that can withstand ice so that they could do polar operations. But it took the 2009 stimulus funding introduced by President Barack Obama to make the money available for the National Science Foundation’s 80-metre R/V Sikuliaq, which is scheduled to hit the water this summer.

Funding difficulties have also led to plans to decommission ships sooner than planned, and keep others in port (see US academic fleet cuts operations as budget bites), and the National Science Foundation has delayed plans to build three regional-class vessels in the 45-metre range.

Beyond these three potential vessels, there are no plans for additional new ships, says Clare Reimers, a chemical oceanographer at Oregon State University in Corvallis and chairwoman of the UNOLS Fleet Improvement Committee, who is concerned about the long-term implications as it can take more than a decade to plan, fund and build a ship. “When we reach, say, 2025 or 2030, we’re certainly going to have lost capacity that we have no plans to replace,” she says.

[...]

187 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:28:20pm

re: #186 freetoken

As with NASA. :sigh:

188 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:28:35pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

It's interesting, how he assumes you're on the side of those who reveled in Breitbart's death simply because you called him out on his nasty behavior wrt Fluke.

If someone called me out for kicking a puppy (not that I ever would), I would not jump to the conclusion that they support domestic terrorists like ALF.

Yeah. I like the "my side" touch. Really touching. He's also assuming that "his side" would agree with his behavior. Really? Is that what these people want? To be defined by these punks?

189 palomino  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:28:40pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

The Dems will have a hard time retaining the Senate. The math there is not in their favor.

The math still does favor your side, which will probably bring us a GOP majority in the Senate. Sometimes, a nation (just like a drunk) has to hit rock bottom before the healing can begin.

190 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:28:59pm

re: #169 goddamnedfrank

Did Kerrey announce?

191 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:29:33pm

Limbaugh Advertiser: We Still Won't Sponsor Rush Anymore


“No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady."

YES

192 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:29:44pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

It's interesting, how he assumes you're on the side of those who reveled in Breitbart's death simply because you called him out on his nasty behavior wrt Fluke.

If someone called me out for kicking a puppy (not that I ever would), I would not jump to the conclusion that they support domestic terrorists like ALF.

Purity. If you're against them in anything...you're against them.

193 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:29:53pm

No, I can't condone this (and am not even sure if it's 100% true), but if it happened more often, it might make certain industry lobbyists think twice :P

194 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:30:20pm

OT, but an icon died today:

Ralph McQuarrie Has Died

The man was an absolute legend. His art will live on forever, easily.

195 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:30:25pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

As with NASA. :sigh:

Reason - Debt. We are so screwed.

196 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:31:16pm

This dude's a real thinker:

Vinnie
@JawaVinnie

@Gus_802 Can't read eh? I said "your side." And tell your Obama plant women's activist to man up and buy her own birth control.

So we've jumped from "your side" to "your Obama plant."

197 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:34:56pm

That's another item I consider a wild card in November, the influence of the Tea Party at the state level. Seriously, think about it...

Kasich
Scott
Walker
McDonnell
Christie

All governors who have the potential with their long-term stupidity to, if not swing their states, at least influence a lot of voters into the D column for Congressional seats. I'd note others like Brewer and Perry, but they're just the head inmates of their asylums, rather than the result of the voters experiencing temporary insanity.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:35:06pm

re: #195 BrainSurfer

It's Saturday night, so can we please finally barbeque this troll?

199 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:36:01pm

re: #195 BrainSurfer

Reason - Debt. We are so screwed.

NASA's been on the chopping block for decades, debt has nothing to do with it.

200 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:37:20pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

NASA's been on the chopping block for decades, debt has nothing to do with it.

NASA also gets half a penny out of every tax dollar. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things.

201 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:37:53pm

re: #196 Gus

This dude's a real thinker:

So we've jumped from "your side" to "your Obama plant."

"Man up." The irony of that is fucking astounding.

202 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:38:44pm

re: #190 prairiefire

Did Kerrey announce?

Yep.

203 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:39:22pm

re: #195 BrainSurfer

Reason - Debt. We are so screwed.

Then how about reducing our accumulation of it by reforming a broken defense procurement process? America would save money, and I'd make money selling seats at the conference teaching how to adapt to the new environment.

Hey, I'm in sales. I'm gonna have an angle on things sometimes, but I really do believe it would help the DoD a greal deal if procurement was reformed.

204 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:44:15pm

I think *lots* of people in the Republican establishment are desperate for a Romney nomination.

Just read a report where he won today's caucuses in Washington state; he got 36% of the vote, but 75% of the delegates.

Washington State (81% reporting)

Mitt Romney - 15,980 (36%, 30 delegates)
Ron Paul - 11,102 (25%, 5 delegates)
Rick Santorum - 19,924 (24.6%, 5 delegates)
Newt Gingrich - 4,782 (10.8%, no delegates)

HuffPo

205 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:44:21pm

re: #195 BrainSurfer

Reason - Debt. We are so screwed.

Reason, you think you're a brain surfer. You are so screwed.

206 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:45:53pm

re: #204 BongCrodny

I think *lots* of people in the Republican establishment are desperate for a Romney nomination.

Just read a report where he won today's caucuses in Washington state; he got 36% of the vote, but 75% of the delegates.

Washington State (81% reporting)

Mitt Romney - 15,980 (36%, 30 delegates)
Ron Paul - 11,102 (25%, 5 delegates)
Rick Santorum - 19,924 (24.6%, 5 delegates)
Newt Gingrich - 4,782 (10.8%, no delegates)

HuffPo

My guess is because Tuesday's gonna be a slaughter, one that he won't come out the other side looking all that pretty. Really, the convention is gonna be a hoot, because the establishment's gonna spend the entire time there trying to make his nomination seem like anything other than a shit sandwich.

207 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:46:29pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

"Man up." The irony of that is fucking astounding.

This crap creeps me out to no end. These asshole men (which most of the ones doing so are) calling Ms. Fluke and other women sluts. I've had it up to here with this old fashioned double standard of women as sluts and men as just being these "noble horny toads." The same men that boast about their glory days and "shore leave." Freaking hypocrites. This is a dying breed.

208 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:46:53pm

re: #204 BongCrodny

I think *lots* of people in the Republican establishment are desperate for a Romney nomination.

Just read a report where he won today's caucuses in Washington state; he got 36% of the vote, but 75% of the delegates.

Washington State (81% reporting)

Mitt Romney - 15,980 (36%, 30 delegates)
Ron Paul - 11,102 (25%, 5 delegates)
Rick Santorum - 19,924 (24.6%, 5 delegates)
Newt Gingrich - 4,782 (10.8%, no delegates)

HuffPo

Is Washington one of these states where you get delegates by area, not headcount?

209 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:47:41pm

And if some women want to "sleep around" they have every right to do so just as much as men.

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:48:44pm

re: #192 BongCrodny

Purity. If you're against them in anything...you're against them.

The only things that looks good in nothing but black and white are old episodes of Twilight Zone and Hitchcock Presents.

211 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:49:13pm

re: #208 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Is Washington one of these states where you get delegates by area, not headcount?

No idea. Just seems the percentages are out of whack with regards to the vote totals.

Maybe you get a certain amount of delegates based on the percentage, and then the winner himself gets the lion's share.

212 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:50:35pm

re: #200 Lidane

NASA also gets half a penny out of every tax dollar. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Debt is already and will continue to affect spending everywhere - NASA programs, military spending (i.e. freetoken's ships), education, healthcare, infrastructure. We are heading toward a major crisis if we do not get debt under control - not my words - Ben Bernanke's words.

Even Bernanke's son has $400,000 in student loans (attends med school), and Bernanke is worried how student loan debt now totals over $1 trillion, more than credit card debt.

No matter how you consider me, the debit issue is one you cannot ding and forgot about.

213 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:50:39pm

re: #207 Gus

This crap creeps me out to no end. These asshole men (which most of the ones doing so are) calling Ms. Fluke and other women sluts. I've had it up to here with this old fashioned double standard of women as sluts and men as just being these "noble horny toads." The same men that boast about their glory days and "shore leave." Freaking hypocrites. This is a dying breed.

It's a cultural holdover of a by-gotten era, that idea that women are "property" that belong to one man and only one man, hence their having more than one partner their whole lives is something to look down upon in disgust. But a man who fucks anything that moves? Well, he's a stud, a real "lady's man," whose very virility should be admired by all other men.

And sadly, I'm not sure that's something that ever will die out. There are just too many "macho" assholes out there that were brought up and will bring their own sons up under a steady stream of misogynist crap.

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:50:58pm

re: #196 Gus

This dude's a real thinker:

So we've jumped from "your side" to "your Obama plant."

Well, Fluke is the Obama plant, because he called to speak with her. Of note: this also makes every sitting congressional/senatorial republican an Obama plant.

215 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:51:38pm

re: #208 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I think so. There are 39 Counties in Washington.

216 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:52:48pm

re: #207 Gus

And if women were to keep track of men & call them, shall we say whores?
OMG, their big heads would explode!

217 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:52:57pm

re: #207 Gus

This crap creeps me out to no end. These asshole men (which most of the ones doing so are) calling Ms. Fluke and other women sluts.

To say nothing of how they bleat about "honor killings" and FGM, without realizing those evils arise from the same misogynistic swamp where they themselves dwell.

218 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:53:00pm

re: #212 BrainSurfer

Debt is already and will continue to affect spending everywhere - NASA programs, military spending (i.e. freetoken's ships), education, healthcare, infrastructure. We are heading toward a major crisis if we do not get debt under control - not my words - Ben Bernanke's words.

Even Bernanke's son has $400,000 in student loans (attends med school), and Bernanke is worried how student loan debt now totals over $1 trillion, more than credit card debt.

No matter how you consider me, the debit issue is one you cannot ding and forgot about.

Ah, the big scary monster that is debt, the one that didn't matter when we were putting two foreign wars on the country's charge card while giving the rich yet another tax cut. You'll excuse me if I believe you're full of shit.

219 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:53:32pm

re: #215 ProGunLiberal

Also, looking at the map, Washington looks like 2 states jammed together.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:53:41pm

re: #212 BrainSurfer

Debt is already and will continue to affect spending everywhere - NASA programs, military spending (i.e. freetoken's ships), education, healthcare, infrastructure. We are heading toward a major crisis if we do not get debt under control - not my words - Ben Bernanke's words.

Even Bernanke's son has $400,000 in student loans (attends med school), and Bernanke is worried how student loan debt now totals over $1 trillion, more than credit card debt.

No matter how you consider me, the debit issue is one you cannot ding and forgot about.

No we can't. What that means is you've got a window of opportunity to make a positive contribution. So I put this question to you: What Ideas do you have for National Debt reduction. Please be specific.

221 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:54:09pm

re: #212 BrainSurfer

... the debit issue is one you cannot ding and forgot about.

Raise taxes.

222 palomino  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:55:04pm

re: #212 BrainSurfer

Debt is already and will continue to affect spending everywhere - NASA programs, military spending (i.e. freetoken's ships), education, healthcare, infrastructure. We are heading toward a major crisis if we do not get debt under control - not my words - Ben Bernanke's words.

Even Bernanke's son has $400,000 in student loans (attends med school), and Bernanke is worried how student loan debt now totals over $1 trillion, more than credit card debt.

No matter how you consider me, the debit issue is one you cannot ding and forgot about.

In what ways has debt already had a major impact on military spending?

223 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:55:25pm

re: #221 freetoken

Raise taxes.

But even if you taxed the top 1% at 100%, you couldn't fix the deficit! You damned liberals and your taxes aren't gonna fix this!!!

224 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:16pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Ah, the big scary monster that is debt, the one that didn't matter when we were putting two foreign wars on the country's charge card while giving the rich yet another tax cut. You'll excuse me if I believe you're full of shit.

Exactly.

"DEFICITS DON'T MATTER ZOMG" was the mantra from the right until Obama took office. Suddenly, debt matters? Pfft. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

225 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:26pm

re: #195 BrainSurfer

Reason - Debt. We are so screwed.

You clearly don't know the difference between Macro and economics.

If we're screwed its only because America refuses to harness its resources by taxing its population (and the upper tiers of it in particular) more heavily.

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:34pm

re: #207 Gus

I concur, but you reminded me of a bit of comedy, on the difference between sluts and studs. The following should not to be taken as a serious political statement, nor as my point of view, but I found it funny. It's also NSFW, and likely to offend.

Youtube Video
227 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:36pm

I have an idea to cut the deficit quite a bit. Eliminate the tax deduction for donating to 501(c)(3) organizations. You can still donate as much as you want to the charity of your choice, but the rest of us shouldn't have to subsidize your contributions.

228 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:36pm

And, guess what? There would be no sluts without people who want to use one. Think about that, Rush!

229 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:37pm

re: #221 freetoken

That commie Eisenhower would have gotten rid of the debt, tout suite.

230 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:57:18pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

It's a cultural holdover of a by-gotten era, that idea that women are "property" that belong to one man and only one man, hence their having more than one partner their whole lives is something to look down upon in disgust. But a man who fucks anything that moves? Well, he's a stud, a real "lady's man," whose very virility should be admired by all other men.

And sadly, I'm not sure that's something that ever will die out. There are just too many "macho" assholes out there that were brought up and will bring their own sons up under a steady stream of misogynist crap.

Exactly. And from what I'm seeing. They still see women as property. With no right to almost every inch of their bodies.

231 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:57:55pm

re: #221 freetoken

Raise taxes.

End corporate welfare - something Obama is trying to do right now by ending big oil subsidies of several billion dollars a year. That would pay some bills.

232 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:58:18pm

re: #221 freetoken

Raise taxes.

Close corporate tax loopholes. End oil and gas subsidies. End corporate welfare. End farm subsidies. Tax churches that insist on entering political debates. Cut defense spending by actually listening to the Pentagon for a change.

There are plenty of ways to bring in more money.

233 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:58:32pm

re: #229 jaunte

Eisenhower is seriously underrated.

I would vote for him if he raised from the dead and ran for President. Even against Obama.

234 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:58:46pm

re: #212 BrainSurfer

Debt is already and will continue to affect spending everywhere - NASA programs, military spending (i.e. freetoken's ships), education, healthcare, infrastructure. We are heading toward a major crisis if we do not get debt under control - not my words - Ben Bernanke's words.

Even Bernanke's son has $400,000 in student loans (attends med school), and Bernanke is worried how student loan debt now totals over $1 trillion, more than credit card debt.

No matter how you consider me, the debit issue is one you cannot ding and forgot about.

Dude, there's a huge different between the debt that is built up by individual people and the debt that is built up by our government due to not taking in as much money as it spends, please keep this in mind.

235 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:59:29pm

re: #225 jamesfirecat

You clearly don't know the difference between Macro and economics.

If we're screwed its only because America refuses to harness its resources by taxing its population (and the upper tiers of it in particular) more heavily.

That isn't fully true, James. Medicare and Social Security are two program we will not be able to tax our way out of. Major reforms of those programs will be required.

236 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:00:08pm

re: #224 Lidane

Exactly.

"DEFICITS DON'T MATTER ZOMG" was the mantra from the right until Obama took office. Suddenly, debt matters? Pfft. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

And even then, they didn't start the "Deficits/Debt will destroy America!" bit until it came time to write up the budget, when all of a sudden a balanced budget again became a nationality "priority" and raising the debt ceiling verboten because Congress should "live within its means."

237 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:01:48pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Then how about reducing our accumulation of it by reforming a broken defense procurement process? America would save money, and I'd make money selling seats at the conference teaching how to adapt to the new environment.

Hey, I'm in sales. I'm gonna have an angle on things sometimes, but I really do believe it would help the DoD a greal deal if procurement was reformed.

Sure why not, makes sense. But don't hold your breath. Government is so inefficient that making significant change is extremely difficult. Everyone has an interest in protecting their turf. Military is the probably the best managed organization in government , but the admin part of it is very broken as you say.

238 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:02:14pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

That isn't fully true, James. Medicare and Social Security are two program we will not be able to tax our way out of. Major reforms of those programs will be required.

It's too late at night for us to have the necessary debate with you on this issue, so let us both just agree that if debt is affecting NASA in such a way that we should be spending money even if it requires us to build up more debt, well companies/corporations go into debt to acquire resources that increase their bottom lines further down the line all the time....

239 allegro  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:02:23pm

re: #236 Targetpractice

And even then, they didn't start the "Deficits/Debt will destroy America!" bit until it came time to write up the budget, when all of a sudden a balanced budget again became a nationality "priority" and raising the debt ceiling verboten because Congress should "live within its means."

... but only by cutting programs for those in need.

240 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:03:42pm

Ed Morrissey is a Shameless Liar

241 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:04:46pm

re: #237 BrainSurfer

Sure why not, makes sense. But don't hold your breath. Government is so inefficient that making significant change is extremely difficult. Everyone has an interest in protecting their turf. Military is the probably the best managed organization in government , but the admin part of it is very broken as you say.

"Best managed"? Okay, I call bullshit. The DoD admitted to Congress that, as of right now, there is no way they could audit the defense budget, because there's absolutely no clue where every dollar is going. It's actually a project of the Pentagon, on which money is being spent, to make their budget "audit ready."

242 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:07:02pm

re: #239 allegro

That's what pigs like BrainSurfer want. Like so, many he is a social darwinist.

243 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:08:15pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

The Defense Department is massively corrupt right now.

I would nominate NASA, NOAA, and the USGS as the best managed agencies in Government.

244 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:08:32pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

The DoD admitted to Congress that, as of right now, there is no way they could audit the defense budget, because there's absolutely no clue where every dollar is going.

And considering just how much money we spend on defense, that's a HUGE issue. We can't even say where all the money is going, but small potato programs like NPR, NASA and PBS are problems according to the right?

Total bullshit.

245 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:08:34pm

Loser Vinnie goes for the jugular.

Vinnie
@JawaVinnie

@Gus_802 Bullshit. Her vagina has far more visitors than Rush has listeners.

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:08:54pm

re: #240 Gus

Ed Morrissey is a Shameless Liar

I've got another bombshell revelation for you, you may want to sit down for this...

Water? That shit is wet bro.
/:P

247 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:09:23pm

re: #245 Gus

Loser Vinnie goes for the jugular.

How does he know, is he a regular client?

//

248 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:11:02pm

Allegedly, Snooki's due date is December 21, 2012.

Snicker.

249 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:11:16pm

re: #245 Gus

Wow, what a creep. He's definitely got woman issues.

250 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:11:40pm

re: #248 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Allegedly, Snooki's due date is December 21, 2012.

Snicker.

Okay, it can't be. She'd have to be pregnant starting in three weeks.

Still, it's funny.

251 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:11:50pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

In my experience (and I do have actual experience in this) the DoD is managed as well as any organization its size, but strategically it is a favorite political toy and this makes controlling the efficiency of the DoD in the long run impossible.

To illustrate: A great deal of defense spending is pork barrel. Ships are bought to keep shipyards open, planes are bought to keep the aerospace industry from collapsing, etc. Bases are kept open to keep employment in a congressional district (yes, even with BRAC.) While a program manager in any one of these efforts might with all good intention run their effort on budget, the effort to begin with exists for political purposes.

Note that I am only speaking of the DoD, not actual military units. IMO there is tremendous waste at the local level in the military due to the near universal idea that "things" are simply expendable. I used to see so much that was just thrown away.

Smaller government agencies are probably better managed - NASA, etc. Treasury has its act together most of the time, IME. The Ag department is a mess - not necessarily bad people but it is such a collection of tiny pork projects.

252 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:11:57pm

re: #243 ProGunLiberal

The Defense Department is massively corrupt right now.

I would nominate NASA, NOAA, and the USGS as the best managed agencies in Government.

If the DoD got as little annually in its budget as those three, you can bet your ass the books would be crisp, clean, and clear of errors. But because "increase Defense funding!" is the dick-measuring contest of choice for politicians these days, they're in no danger of the water tap being crimped. Hell, the budget cuts being imposed upon them now are being treated like the fall of the Roman Empire.

253 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:12:04pm

re: #238 jamesfirecat

It's too late at night for us to have the necessary debate with you on this issue, so let us both just agree that if debt is affecting NASA in such a way that we should be spending money even if it requires us to build up more debt, well companies/corporations go into debt to acquire resources that increase their bottom lines further down the line all the time...

Maybe. What I would argue is that NASA's objectives need to be clearly defined, followed by the defining of the means to reach those objectives. Once that is done, we figure out what the costs will be and see which objectives are 'need to do's. Those that need to be achieved get the budget priority you called for, all others to be funded as funds are available. But while I want all programs held to high standards of efficiency (especially in procurement), one thing I'll agree to is that if we are going to fund a program we must fund it as it really needs. No half-assed stuff.

254 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:13:04pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

She dared speak up for women's rights, both concerning health and reproduction. That makes her a de facto Whore of Babylon. That Rush emphasized this only makes it more true.

255 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:14:50pm

Bwahaha:

256 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:15:47pm

They just roasted Carville alive on SNL's Weekend Update. It was hilarious.

Too bad the rest of the skits so far have sucked.

257 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:18:09pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

I want NASA to be broad in goals. There are a great many things to be researched, and things to be done.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:19:04pm

Two can play at that game.

You wingnuts are afraid of Sandra Fluke because she is intelligent, articulate, courageous, and successful. And you hate her because she is right.

259 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:19:07pm

My take.. we need to reduce energy waste to create a glut and lower the price. There are so many ways to do that. We don't really need to lower our standard of living, just get smarter about how we use fuel so we waste less. The government runs the roads and highways and controls how traffic flows , they run the schools, deliver the mail, operate public transit.. And I think we should move to a system where gasoline supply is more like a public commodity and less like a casino for speculators.

When the price of gasoline comes down from the glut we create, then increase fuel taxes to help pay for the new energy infrastructure that works to keep reducing dependency on oil with renewable sources. Thats the bridge to the new world. Just taxing fuel usage without an overall plan will kill off the recovery and then no one will have money to invest in newer more efficient stuff. Just trying to increase supply is no good either.

Be conserve-ative, waste less. Thats the way out.

260 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:19:14pm

re: #245 Gus

Loser Vinnie goes for the jugular.

My reply:

Dark_Falcon7

@JawaVinnie @Gus_802 If only that were true. If Rush Limbaugh had no listeners, America would be a better place.
In reply to Vinnie
11:16 PM - 3 Mar 12 via web · Details

261 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:19:49pm

re: #256 Lidane

They just roasted Carville alive on SNL's Weekend Update. It was hilarious.

Too bad the rest of the skits so far have sucked.

How has LiLo done?

262 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:20:24pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Maybe. What I would argue is that NASA's objectives need to be clearly defined, followed by the defining of the means to reach those objectives. Once that is done, we figure out what the costs will be and see which objectives are 'need to do's. Those that need to be achieved get the budget priority you called for, all others to be funded as funds are available. But while I want all programs held to high standards of efficiency (especially in procurement), one thing I'll agree to is that if we are going to fund a program we must fund it as it really needs. No half-assed stuff.

Some of that sounds a bit too complex for me at quarter past midnight but most of it sounds reasonable. I'm turning in for the night now, have a good one!

263 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:20:28pm

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

My reply:

Thanks man. Saw that. Re-Tweeted. Even had a doctor commenting on that. The loser failed big time and resorted to insulting Ms. Fluke again.

264 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:20:39pm

re: #256 Lidane

Bill Hader + bald cap + Cajun accent = ROFL

I'm still chuckling. Also, there was this: "You can't name a bridge after Chuck Norris because nobody crosses Chuck Norris!" Heh.

265 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:21:20pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

How has LiLo done?

There was one skit which was a Real Housewives of Disney thing that was okay. The rest are underwhelming.

266 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:22:38pm

Now he's claiming reason! LOL

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:23:40pm

That Jawareport guy's tweets reminds me of whiny beardos on livejournal who list "The Fountainhead" and "Japanime" in their interests

268 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:24:12pm

re: #267 windupbird is in the gravity well

That Jawareport guy's tweets reminds me of whiny beardos on livejournal who list "The Fountainhead" and "Japanime" in their interests

You watching this? ;)

What a dork that guy is.

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:24:25pm

re: #266 Gus

Now he's claiming reason! LOL

tell him he should start a webcomic, because being the Source Of Truth About the Izzlam And Slut Liberals is not doing wonders for his twitter readership

270 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:24:32pm

re: #267 windupbird is in the gravity well

That Jawareport guy's tweets reminds me of whiny beardos on livejournal who list "The Fountainhead" and "Japanime" in their interests

Bwah? People seriously still use that term?

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:25:07pm

re: #268 Gus

You watching this? ;)

What a dork that guy is.

I am viewing it

He's sorta damaged goods, I almost feel sorry for him


I wonder if his heart broke when he saw Episode 1

272 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:26:40pm

re: #271 windupbird is in the gravity well

I am viewing it

He's sorta damaged goods, I almost feel sorry for him

I wonder if his heart broke when he saw Episode 1

Why doesn't he just get an online reviewing show as a healthy way to express himself then? It worked for Confused Matthew and Harry S Plinkett...

Well maybe not so much for Harry....

273 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:26:48pm

re: #271 windupbird is in the gravity well

I am viewing it

He's sorta damaged goods, I almost feel sorry for him

I wonder if his heart broke when he saw Episode 1

Nah, Episode 3, when he saw one of the great SW legends reduced to a whiny little bitch.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:27:10pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Bwah? People seriously still use that term?

If you're really out of touch, yes!

I used that term in the early 90's :D When I was watching Lupin and Appleseed on VHS, hahah

275 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:27:20pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Nah, Episode 3, when he saw one of the great SW legends reduced to a whiny little bitch.

Nooo000OOOOOOOOO!!11

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:27:27pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Nah, Episode 3, when he saw one of the great SW legends reduced to a whiny little bitch.

DO NOT WANT

277 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:28:22pm

re: #271 windupbird is in the gravity well

I am viewing it

He's sorta damaged goods, I almost feel sorry for him

I wonder if his heart broke when he saw Episode 1

Yep. As mentioned above. He's afraid of women, smart women. Especially one getting a JD from Georgetown. He has some serious issues which is obvious. Thinks of himself as some kind of "internet warrior" which we've all seen before. Limited intelligence. I was kind though. I only called him a lowlife and a gimp. My last Tweet I told him that he wasn't a "true conservative" but a "post-911 RWNJ."

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:28:33pm

Watch. Ten, fifteen, twenty years from now, Fluke will run for some kind of public office, or be appointed to one, and the Limbaughs of the world will talk about nothing but the pornographic quantities of dangerous, casual sex they imagine she had while in college.

Not her stances, not the issues of the day that she may or may not be addressing, but what a dirty slut they imagine she used to be. (and probably still is, hyuck hyuck)

279 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:28:50pm

re: #266 Gus

@Gus_802 You're incapable of reason. Which is why we always win.

Universe of Facepalm

280 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:29:14pm

re: #277 Gus

ladies love a dude who posts about evil slut democrats on his star wars blog


The internet warrior goes home to his hand, lol

281 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:29:21pm

re: #279 jaunte

@Gus_802 You're incapable of reason. Which is why we always win.

Universe of Facepalm

LOL Did you like that? What a dufus.

282 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:29:29pm

This Politico item is quite surprising:

Roger Ailes blurbs for Rachel Maddow

By Dylan Byers

From the department of the unexpected: Roger Ailes, chairman and CEO of the conservative Fox News Channel, has offered some very kind words to grace the back-cover of a new book by liberal MSNBC personality Rachel Maddow.

Maddow's new book, "Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power," comes out later this month, and features blurbs from high-profile journalists and Maddow Show guests such as Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Steve Coll; social activist and author Naomi Klein; New York Magazine columnist Frank Rich; and "This American Life" host Ira Glass.

But there too -- below NBC's Tom Brokaw and above Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi -- is Ailes, who writes:

“Drift never makes the case that war might be necessary. America would be weakened dramatically if we had underreacted to 9/11. However, Rachel Maddow makes valid arguments that our country has been drifting towards questionable wars, draining our resources, without sufficient input and time. People who like Rachel will love the book. People who don’t will get angry, but aggressive debate is good for America. Drift is a book worth reading.”

--ROGER AILES, Chairman and CEO, FOX News

283 Altermite  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:29:43pm

The protesters outside the virginia legislature were just arrested, for those following that story.

284 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:30:57pm

re: #283 Altermite

The protesters outside the virginia legislature were just arrested, for those following that story.

No doubt due to fear that they were terrorists.

///

285 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:31:28pm
286 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:31:34pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

What I would argue is that NASA's objectives need to be clearly defined, followed by the defining of the means to reach those objectives.

I'd like to see us build a base at the bottom of the ocean. Outer space is cool and all, but I think being able to go deep into the ocean could be more practical and maybe even useful.

287 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:32:11pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Ailes would do anything to boost controversies. I doubt he is concerned at all with Maddow the person, only that "aggressive debate " in his words continues and thus ensures Fox News market for such "debate".

288 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:33:12pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

This Politico item is quite surprising:

Roger Ailes blurbs for Rachel Maddow

By Dylan Byers

Well huh.... I guess people are more complex than we would tend to give them credit for.


/// Luckily it wasn't Rupert Murdoch himself so that's one childsh pidgeon holing which has y et to be disproved!

289 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:34:07pm

re: #271 windupbird is in the gravity well

I am viewing it

He's sorta damaged goods, I almost feel sorry for him

I wonder if his heart broke when he saw Episode 1

If you want to seriously smack him, tweet "Greedo shot first!" at him.

290 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:35:02pm

re: #286 Mich-again

I'd like to see us build a base at the bottom of the ocean. Outer space is cool and all, but I think being able to go deep into the ocean could be more practical and maybe even useful.

Cue obligatory bishock joke by me... whatever one you want... they're all good... a man chooses, sweat of his brow... 9 iron.... Eleanor wants to be like her daddy... they're all good.

(This is what posting at half an hour after midnight reduces me to)

291 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:35:30pm

Derp!

292 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:35:44pm

re: #285 jaunte

Not much Victorian in the spews by Rush the Dog and Loser Vinnie. Just hate and leering.

293 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:36:10pm

re: #291 Gus

Derp!

Which proves what, that he's a petulant manchild?

294 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:37:29pm
295 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:38:54pm

re: #293 Targetpractice

Which proves what, that he's a petulant manchild?

Exactly.

296 jaunte  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:39:10pm
297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:39:38pm

re: #291 Gus

Derp!

A claim as easily verifiable as his other claim that Ms. Fluke has had more cocks in her than a rooster convention.

Sad.

298 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:41:17pm

re: #287 freetoken

Ailes would do anything to boost controversies. I doubt he is concerned at all with Maddow the person, only that "aggressive debate " in his words continues and thus ensures Fox News market for such "debate".

To be fair, all cable news outlets depend on "aggressive debate" to generate profits. Controversy and crisis drive news consumption and heads of news outlets do not forget that fact.

299 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:41:58pm

Even Falwell supported contraception-but not abortion.

300 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:45:33pm

re: #299 Cap'n Magic

Even Falwell supported contraception-but not abortion.

Um, married couples.

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:46:02pm

Just for shits and giggles, I listen to Mark Levin on my beer runs.

A few days ago, I forget the subject, but a few days ago he referenced The Jawa Report favorably, for breaking some story or other.

302 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:50:39pm

This song is dedicated to JawaVinnie:

The Asshole Song By Fred "August" Campbell

Youtube Video
303 Lidane  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:52:24pm

I'm sitting here listening to my iPod watching Lindsay Lohan get through SNL while making next to no eye contact with her co-stars because she's too busy reading the cue cards and/or the teleprompter to help her remember her lines. This is pretty bad.

OTOH, this song just came up on my shuffle, which is oddly appropriate for the conversation we've been having about Limbaugh:

Youtube Video
304 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:53:18pm

Freetoken's tax plan:

1) All income treated equally.
2) In calculating Net income for individuals one can count as expenses such things as health care/insurance costs.
3) Phase out mortgage deductions.
4) Tax rates are progressive but a continuous scale (not a handful of discrete steps as currently) from 0% to N% where "N" is calculated biennially to balance (planned, programmed, committed) spending.
5) Amend Constitution to allow for biennial budgeting and expenditures for all of government (not just military) optionally as needed.
6) Require all corporations who do business in the US to pay taxes on net income made in the US, even if owned by entities outside the US.

305 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:53:30pm

Hmm. That's Fred "August" Campbell not Jimmy Buffett.

My argument is invalidated!

306 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:54:46pm

re: #304 freetoken

Freetoken's tax plan:

1) All income treated equally.
2) In calculating Net income for individuals one can count as expenses such things as health care/insurance costs.
3) Phase out mortgage deductions.
4) Tax rates are progressive but a continuous scale (not a handful of discrete steps as currently) from 0% to N% where "N" is calculated biennially to balance (planned, programmed, committed) spending.
5) Amend Constitution to allow for biennial budgeting and expenditures for all of government (not just military) optionally as needed.
6) Require all corporations who do business in the US to pay taxes on net income made in the US, even if owned by entities outside the US.

What would you do for people who count on the mortgage deduction to make their mortgages affordable?

307 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:56:10pm

re: #306 To hold my temper, most of the time.

What would you do for people who count on the mortgage deduction to make their mortgages affordable?

IMO that is one of the worst economic decisions our society decided to make.

Ten year phase out of mortgage deduction (100% - 90% - 80% ...).

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:56:59pm

re: #303 Lidane

I'm sitting here listening to my iPod watching Lindsay Lohan get through SNL while making next to no eye contact with her co-stars because she's too busy reading the cue cards and/or the teleprompter to help her remember her lines. This is pretty bad.

OTOH, this song just came up on my shuffle, which is oddly appropriate for the conversation we've been having about Limbaugh:

[Embedded content]

She's having to relearn how to appear on Saturday Night Live, instead of being the target of its ridicule.

309 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:58:11pm

re: #306 To hold my temper, most of the time.

What would you do for people who count on the mortgage deduction to make their mortgages affordable?

The mortgage deduction doesn't exist in Canada. Just one of many reasons we didn't have our own horrendous housing bubble and mortgage meltdown.

310 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:58:21pm

re: #307 freetoken

IMO that is one of the worst economic decisions our society decided to make.

Ten year phase out of mortgage deduction (100% - 90% - 80% ...).

The housing market is black and blue. I'm not sure you would want to damage it any more.

Maybe grandfather in the deduction. Nobody holds their mortgage for 30 years, anyway. That way, people will purchase based on what they actually can afford.

311 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:58:30pm

Likewise, a ten year phase out of charitable donation deductions.

Indeed, most deductions that are not actual expenses incurred necessary for generating income would be eliminated.

312 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:59:13pm

re: #303 Lidane

I'm sitting here listening to my iPod watching Lindsay Lohan get through SNL while making next to no eye contact with her co-stars because she's too busy reading the cue cards and/or the teleprompter to help her remember her lines. This is pretty bad.

OTOH, this song just came up on my shuffle, which is oddly appropriate for the conversation we've been having about Limbaugh:

[Embedded content]

Ah, Lindsay Lohan, another of those "child stars" that burnt out far too soon.

313 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:00:11pm

re: #303 Lidane

I'm sitting here listening to my iPod watching Lindsay Lohan get through SNL while making next to no eye contact with her co-stars because she's too busy reading the cue cards and/or the teleprompter to help her remember her lines. This is pretty bad.

Not that there's anything similar between the two other than this...

... Christopher Walken does the same damn thing every time he is on SNL. It is so weird to see such an accomplished actor stare so blankly at cue cards.

314 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:00:24pm

re: #309 Interesting Times

Yup.

In a free market, simply lowering the taxes on a product leads to changes in the price of said product to balance demand.

315 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:00:43pm

re: #311 freetoken

Likewise, a ten year phase out of charitable donation deductions.

Indeed, most deductions that are not actual expenses incurred necessary for generating income would be eliminated.

This I am completely against. If you give it away to charity, it shouldn't count as income.

I like the idea of the rich giving their money to the poor.

316 BrainSurfer  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:03:06pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

No we can't. What that means is you've got a window of opportunity to make a positive contribution. So I put this question to you: What Ideas do you have for National Debt reduction. Please be specific.

Reforming tax system, reducing subsidiaries (industry and farm), cutting back on military, figuring out how to best spend money on education - all are general buzz words proposals that can make some headway but require detailed explanations (which are better left for another time.)

Major reductions will need to come from major changes to the health care system, Medicare, and Social Security. Didn't like the ACA (Obamacare) as passed - felt from the beginning if was a very flawed political plan rather than a well thought out plan for improving healthcare for all who want or need it. Have long agreed in principle to providing healthcare to those in need, and especially the unemployed, but one size does not fit all which is the direction of our current planned system as I see it. And, Social Security needs to be and will be changed eventually by raising age limits and becoming more need based.

Just a start. Minimal details. Getting late. Enough for now.

317 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:04:01pm

re: #315 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I like the idea of the rich giving their money to the poor.

So do I.

Let them give, I won't stop them.

Yet said rich people are fully dependent upon their society for their riches, and without a properly funded society then the process which allows for such riches to exist will eventually fail.

318 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:06:55pm

re: #315 To hold my temper, most of the time.

This I am completely against. If you give it away to charity, it shouldn't count as income.

I like the idea of the rich giving their money to the poor.

I do too, until I consider the Mitt Romney's of America, who see charitable donations as a means of reducing, if not eliminating, their tax liability.

319 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:09:49pm

The problem with 501(c)(3) charities is that so many of them have nothing to do with any actual charity. For example ALEC the lobbyist group that writes right wing legislation for the GOP to introduce is a "charitable" organization. So is Heartland Institute, the firm from Chicago that is making cimate denial curricullum for public schools. So is ProEnglish, the ones who sponsored a white supremacist to speak at a forum at CPAC.

This is not rich people giving to charity. This is rich people essentially cheating on their taxes, hiring lobbyists who pose as charitable tax-exempt organizations so they can claim it as a tax deduction.

320 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:10:29pm

re: #283 Altermite

The protesters outside the virginia legislature were just arrested, for those following that story.

Grand Old Puritans.

321 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:11:03pm

re: #319 Mich-again

The problem with 501(c)(3) charities is that so many of them have nothing to do with benevolent charity. For example ALEC the lobbyist group that writes model right wing legislation for legislators to introduce is a charitable organization. So is Heartland Institute, the firm form Chicago that is preparing the climate denial curricullum for public schools. So is ProEnglish, the ones who sponsored a white supremacist to speak at a forum at CPAC.

This is not rich people giving to charity. Thsi is rich people cheating on their taxes, hiring lobbyists who pose as charitable tax-exempt organizations.

Heartland Institute being another.

322 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:11:30pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

I do too, until I consider the Mitt Romney's of America, who see charitable donations as a means of reducing, if not eliminating, their tax liability.

There's a bigger problem, though.

Our mountain of debt, and huge annual deficits, tell us something very important: we are not owning up to paying for the society that we want (and enjoy.)

We need a serious rethinking of life in America. Part of that must emphasize the idea that everyone is part of this society and everyone thus is responsible for paying for it.

I like the idea that those with more really are thus more responsible for carrying out the burden, and that is why they pay more.

323 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:11:55pm

re: #302 Gus

This song is dedicated to JawaVinnie:

The Asshole Song By Fred "August" Campbell

[Embedded content]

Don't worry, I've got you covered:

Youtube Video
324 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:18:36pm

As for religious institutions and their charity status, I think the actual house of worship is a legitimate tax deduction but when the organization, whichever religion, owns a golf course or a TV studio or an airplane or a thousand acres, then I don't quite see why anyone else outside the church needs to subsidize that.

325 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:20:22pm

re: #324 Mich-again

As for religious institutions and their charity status, I think the actual house of worship is a legitimate tax deduction but when the organization, whichever religion, owns a golf course or a TV studio or an airplane or a thousand acres, then I don't quite see why anyone else outside the church needs to subsidize that.

Apparently the wingnuts do, they think that being connected to a church, even by seven degrees of separation, is enough to make them "religious" by default. Doesn't matter if everybody from the owner to the caddies are Muslims, the golf course is owned by a Christian church and thus "religious."

326 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:20:27pm

re: #302 Gus

This song is dedicated to JawaVinnie:

The Asshole Song By Fred "August" Campbell

[Embedded content]

Never been able to successfully confirm this one way or t'other, but I think that might be David Allan Coe and not Jimmy Buffett.

Their bands sure sound a lot alike.

In fact:

David Allan Coe: Jimmy Buffett

Youtube Video
327 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:21:02pm

Mitt Romney is such a piece of shit:

"Her first deployment, she never once said 'I want to come home,'" Chura said of her daughter, who has been in the Army for more than three years. "This deployment has been extremely hard, not only for her, but for my husband and I. Every email, every time we Skype, we hear 'I want to come home now'. There is no mission here. We have no definition of a mission."

Romney jumped on Chura's complaint and attacked Obama on the war. "If your daughter is not familiar with the mission that she's on, how in the world can the commander in chief sleep at night, knowing that we have soldiers in harm's way that don't know exactly, precisely, what it is that they're doing there?" he asked.

...

Obama campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith said that the under Obama's leadership, "we are decimating al-Qaeda" and the Afghans are preparing to take over their own security. She said Romney "has failed to outline any plan at all for what he would do in Afghanistan and has even made clear that he would leave our troops there indefinitely."

So Mitt sits there with his smug bullshit face and falsely claims to a grieving mother that Obama shouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that her daughter is in confusion as to her mission in Afghanistan. Meanwhile Romney's opposed every timetable for pullout, both there and in Iraq where Obama got us out. While Romney has not only refused to articulate his own sense of mission for continued occupation, he has made it clear that he's committed to leaving our troops in harms way forever. What a hypocritical, lying sack of goddamned trash, politically preying on the exact sense of misery his own stated policy is guaranteed to exacerbate if he's elected.

328 Big Joe  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:25:13pm

Rush is an ass and this Republican circus distracts from what we should really be discussing.

Youtube Video
329 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:28:42pm

re: #327 goddamnedfrank

Mitt Romney is such a piece of shit:

So Mitt sits there with his smug bullshit face and falsely claims to a grieving mother that Obama shouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that her daughter is in confusion as to her mission in Afghanistan. Meanwhile Romney's opposed every timetable for pullout, both there and in Iraq where Obama got us out. While Romney has not only refused to articulate his own sense of mission for continued occupation, he has made it clear that he's committed to leaving our troops in harms way forever. What a hypocritical, lying sack of goddamned trash, politically preying on the exact sense of misery his own stated policy is guaranteed to exacerbate if he's elected.

Willard has no fucking clue what he would do in office, just that being on the campaign trail requires that he say "the opposite of the guy in office." If Obama supports the war, he says the war needs to end. If Obama supports withdrawal, he whines that the war's not over and we can't be setting timetables.

I can see why people say they like Santorum more, he's at least consistent when it comes to his stupidity. Romney might as well wear a beanie with a weather-vane atop it.

330 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:30:04pm

re: #326 BongCrodny

Never been able to successfully confirm this one way or t'other, but I think that might be David Allan Coe and not Jimmy Buffett.

Their bands sure sound a lot alike.

In fact:

David Allan Coe: Jimmy Buffett

[Embedded content]

Nice. Now you've done it to me.

Junior Brown & Red Simpson - Nitro Express

Youtube Video
331 dell*nix  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:32:00pm

re: #251 freetoken

Use it or lose it.

If you did not use all of your budget, you got a reduced budget. Regardless of reason for not using all the budget.

We had a bench stock level of 50 cotter pins. They were issued in boxes of 100. If the IG caught you with more than 50 you got a write up. So stuff got hid or thrown away. And of course, maintnance schedules also affected bench stock useage. Regulations tended to not be flexable on such things.

332 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:36:22pm

re: #330 Gus

Nice. Now you've done it to me.

Junior Brown & Red Simpson - Nitro Express

[Embedded content]

Loves me some Junior Brown.

I've got "Highway Patrol" on a bunch of Ipod playlists.

Country music kills a thread deader than Raid, doesn't it? :-)

333 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:38:14pm

re: #331 dell*nix

One reason I think getting away from the strict annual budget/spending cycle would be good is that it would reduce the incentive to "spend it or lose it" that happens near the end of every fiscal year.

I know, I've been there, frantically spending money in the last quarter because I knew on 1 Oct the money would mysteriously vanish from the universe.

334 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:38:48pm

re: #327 goddamnedfrank

I think the mission in Afghanistan is to control the mines. It might be the most strategic location on the planet and we're not going anywhere until someone is running the mines. It doesn't matter who, besides the Taliban gets the money what matters is that the rare earth magnets, lithium, precious metals, etc, sitting in the ground work their way into the market to help high tech industries.

335 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:47:36pm

re: #332 BongCrodny

Loves me some Junior Brown.

I've got "Highway Patrol" on a bunch of Ipod playlists.

Country music kills a thread deader than Raid, doesn't it? :-)

Sure does. Myself I love me some Duke Ellington and Merle Haggard. I might be a lefty but I love country music. Real country music mind you. Beethoven, Deep Purple, Del McCoury, Bob Marley, Bach, ABBA, Stravinsky, Al DiMeola, Stanley Clarke... Music with heart. With soul.

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:50:56pm

Heh. Local Fox News Radio affiliate currently airing "Coast to Coast", host having an extended conversation with Alex Jones re: the "suspicious" demise of Andrew Breitbart.

How quickly some forget.

337 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:52:46pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Local Fox News Radio affiliate currently airing "Coast to Coast", host having an extended conversation with Alex Jones re: the "suspicious" demise of Andrew Breitbart.

How quickly some forget.

Drudge pimps Prison Planet. And he was partners with Andrew. It's all fucked up.

338 BongCrodny  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:52:57pm

re: #335 Gus

Sure does. Myself I love me some Duke Ellington and Merle Haggard. I might be a lefty but I love country music. Real country music mind you. Beethoven, Deep Purple, Del McCoury, Bob Marley, Bach, ABBA, Stravinsky, Al DiMeola, Stanley Clarke... Music with heart. With soul.

A bunch of us degenerates went to Vegas a few years ago; Merle Haggard was playing with Bob Dylan and I couldn't talk anybody into going.

The lure of $5 blackjack was just too powerful.

339 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:54:20pm

re: #334 Mich-again

I think the mission in Afghanistan is to control the mines. It might be the most strategic location on the planet and we're not going anywhere until someone is running the mines. It doesn't matter who, besides the Taliban gets the money what matters is that the rare earth magnets, lithium, precious metals, etc, sitting in the ground work their way into the market to help high tech industries.

If you want to do that, you'd have to take the decision about who gets to run the mines away from the Afghans. Because otherwise it'll be China if anyone, and probably no one do to the level of corruption. Trade seems a hard concept in Afghanistan, except for the drug trade. And they seem to see foreign corporations as only there to be fleeced, never to engage in an actual business relationship.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:55:27pm

re: #337 Gus

Does Michelle Malkin appear on FNC anymore? Has she expressed an opinion on segments of the Fox brand embracing Alex Jones?

341 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:56:08pm

re: #337 Gus

Drudge pimps Prison Planet. And he was partners with Andrew. It's all fucked up.

And.... Coast to Coast was a founding element of the old Premier Radio Network... which eventually has wound up being owned by ... Bain Capital.

Art Bell - I blame it all on him.

342 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:56:57pm

re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth

Does Michelle Malkin appear on FNC anymore? Has she expressed an opinion on segments of the Fox brand embracing Alex Jones?

You know how these folks deal with it. They never do. They avoid it altogether. It's like this cult of no doubt.

343 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:59:10pm

re: #335 Gus

MP3 Audio
344 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:00:32pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Local Fox News Radio affiliate currently airing "Coast to Coast", host having an extended conversation with Alex Jones re: the "suspicious" demise of Andrew Breitbart.

How quickly some forget.

So the guy runs into somebody even crazier than he is, and automatically concludes "Government plant." God, but don't let this guy venture into the darker reaches of the South, or he'll spend every waking moment assured that he's under surveillance.

345 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:03:35pm

re: #342 Gus

You know how these folks deal with it. They never do. They avoid it altogether. It's like this cult of no doubt.

Because a public expression of doubt in the brand gets you fired. You're an employee of FNC, and the designated storyline is part of selling the brand. Truth is not what matters, what matters is money.

346 Gus  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:05:05pm

I need some serious sleep now. Night all.

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:06:19pm

re: #337 Gus

One more thing...

In the early 90's I listened to a lot of RW talk radio. There wasn't a lot of Fox radio then, but other media affiliates. I used to listen to KGO, out of San Francisco. They had national dudes like Rush, and some dude who talked about car tips, but mostly local dudes.

Rush and others were talking up stuff like Vince Foster and other types of CTs. I was like "What, really? How evil!!".

Then I discovered Alex Jones. Then I discovered some of the stuff circulated on RW radio was cribbed from AJ without attribution. Then I discovered what a crazy tw@ Alex Jones was. Then I stopped listening to RW talk radio as a serious source of news.

Anyway, short story long...

RWNJs have been using AJ as a source since at least the 90's.

348 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:10:32pm

re: #347 Slumbering Behemoth

RWNJs have been using AJ as a source since at least the 90's.

And then conveniently belittle his CT views when there is a Republican in the oval office.

349 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:17:14pm

One last rant: The Food Network is just stupid, when it's not being evil.

I suppose there are some foodies here who will object to my categorizing a popular media outlet dedicated to food as being "stupid", but after viewing their recent series "Fat Chef" that's the best word I can come up with to describe that network.

Weight problems many of us have or had have. We all know that there are many issues that inter-relate when it comes to health. But to have a show that spouts the usual mindless trainer-spiel is pretty, well, mindless. It's an incredibly misleading show, such as stating daily calorie consumption levels to four significant digits (e.g. "7233 calories per day") - a level of accuracy impossible with their techniques.

350 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:21:10pm

I mean, really stupid.

351 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:25:08pm

re: #349 freetoken

I suppose there are some foodies here who will object to my categorizing a popular media outlet dedicated to food as being "stupid"...

I don't have pay tv, so I wouldn't know. All the cooking shows I watch are on PBS. Rick Bayless, Steven Raichlen, and Lidia Bastianich are among my favorites. "America's Test Kitchen" is pretty cool as well.

352 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:27:41pm

re: #349 freetoken

One last rant: The Food Network is just stupid, when it's not being evil.

I suppose there are some foodies here who will object to my categorizing a popular media outlet dedicated to food as being "stupid", but after viewing their recent series "Fat Chef" that's the best word I can come up with to describe that network.

Weight problems many of us have or had have. We all know that there are many issues that inter-relate when it comes to health. But to have a show that spouts the usual mindless trainer-spiel is pretty, well, mindless. It's an incredibly misleading show, such as stating daily calorie consumption levels to four significant digits (e.g. "7233 calories per day") - a level of accuracy impossible with their techniques.

I don't watch any of their competition shows (other than Iron Chef America), but Good Eats and Diners, Drive-Ins, & Dives are two really good shows. Too bad Alton Brown quit making Good Eats, though.

353 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:30:18pm

re: #352 talon_262

Too bad Alton Brown quit making Good Eats, though.

He really had the right show at the right time. He sort of re-energized the cooking genre, for cooking sake and not for wannabe-chefs of restaurants.

Most of the episodes are available on Youtube, and a couple of people have playlists that will go through each season.

354 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:33:15pm

re: #352 talon_262

I'm not interested in "competitive cooking". I cook to eat well and save money.

That said, if you so much as look at a bottle of ketchup while eating my Tri-tip, I will cut you.

355 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:33:19pm

re: #353 freetoken

He really had the right show at the right time. He sort of re-energized the cooking genre, for cooking sake and not for wannabe-chefs of restaurants.

Most of the episodes are available on Youtube, and a couple of people have playlists that will go through each season.

I love how Good Eats was part Julia Child, part Mr. Wizard...it really is Gastronomy and Cooking for Dummies.

356 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:35:22pm

re: #354 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm not interested in "competitive cooking". I cook to eat well and save money.

That said, if you so much as look at a bottle of ketchup while eating my Tri-tip, I will cut you.

Ketchup belongs on burgers and fries, not good cuts of meat. However, a good BBQ sauce is the key, for those so inclined; Sweet Baby Ray's is among the best store-bought sauce there is.

357 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:37:36pm

Good night, all.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:43:15pm

re: #356 talon_262

I do alright in the cooking dept. I don't normally like to toot my own horn, but I rock a BBQed Tri-Tip. No condiments necessary.

359 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:46:47pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

I do alright in the cooking dept. I don't normally like to toot my own horn, but I rock a BBQed Tri-Tip. No condiments necessary.

I have a neighbor that runs a catering/food truck business (Squeals on Wheels; no lie!); her specialty is BBQ. My god, the things she can do to pork shoulder and beef brisket; it's so juicy and flavorful, it doesn't need sauce.

It's nice to wake up, walk out on my front porch, and smell the smoke from across the street of her doing a batch of BBQ.

*drools*

360 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:51:27pm

re: #359 talon_262

I don't have the space to pull of something like this, but damnit, I really wish I did.

361 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:52:47pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

I wonder if I can even find tri-tip here in TN, seeing as it's not a common cut around here.

Seems that Californians eat it all ;-P

362 freetoken  Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:58:17pm

re: #361 talon_262

Seems you Californians eat it all ;-P

Hey, I eat loquats and chocolate, interspersed with a protein shake, half and half, tuna, and oranges.

California - we put the "ism" in "individualism".

363 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:00:28am

re: #361 talon_262

Heh. It is a big thing here in CA, especially the Central Valley.

It used to be a cheap cut, but the price has gone up a few dollars/pound over the last handful of years.

The last one I grilled, I used chunks of almond wood for coals. Hey, it was my birthday.

364 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:14:20am

Namaste, y'all

365 researchok  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:21:14am

Morning, all

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:35:14am

Night, all.

367 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 1:53:28am

Newt Gingrich Co-chairman Stacey Campfield now backs Rick Santorum

The co-chairman of Newt Gingrich's Tennessee campaign changed his allegiance Saturday to Rick Santorum, saying he hopes to set an example that leads to conservatives aligning behind a single candidate against "establishment Republican" Mitt Romney.

State Sen. Stacey Campfield's surprise move comes with Santorum leading in Tennessee polls though under attack within the state from both pro-Romney forces and Gingrich in a frenetic finale of candidate competition for votes in Tuesday's presidential preference primary.

368 researchok  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:04:20am

re: #367 Kragar

I don't believe any of the GOP candidates realize how many Republicans will just stay home this cycle.

This slate of candidates has to be the worst in decades.

369 Kragar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:06:11am

re: #368 researchok

I don't believe any of the GOP candidates realize how many Republicans will just stay home this cycle.

This slate of candidates has to be the worst in decades.

You make it sound like people might get fed up with a group of two faced, backstabbing, bickering fools.

370 researchok  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 2:10:28am

re: #369 Kragar

That's the icing.

There is just no substance to these fools.

Instead of focusing on the economy- and there is more than legitimate cause for opposition there- these morons are intent on focusing on private, social issues.

Let's cut to the chase- the government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. Period. Ever.

They won't get my vote.

I'll stay home and watch Cheers reruns.

371 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 3:07:43am

From Yahoo:

Alaska girl locked in frigid bedroom dies

Stupid, stupid, stupid people.

Dipshit dad gets drunk while his daughter freezes to death.

And the mother went on the run. Fucking coward.

Between this and the idiots that made that girl down south run for three hours until she died, I'm beginning to think that demanding parenting courses and/or licenses before you can have kids wouldn't be such a bad idea.

372 Lidane  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 3:48:25am

This is great. Definitely worth watching:

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

Lizards outside the US might not be able to see it, I don't know. Funny stuff.

373 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:02:05am

re: #371 BongCrodny

Yer missin' a colon.

374 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:06:43am

Gah, the farce.

375 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:08:46am

FEMEN at Putin's polling station:

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

376 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:14:38am

The new movie The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel for the Elderly and Beautiful includes an interracial homosexual couple. Expect freak-outs from the right wing, if they can draw their attention away from fevered fantasies of co-ed sex, that is.

377 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:20:57am

UK police conspired with corporations to bust unions and fire whistleblowers.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:24:31am

I hear carousels are in full force today.

379 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 4:41:39am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Omit that last one. Belief in Satan does not disqualify one from being President. If it did, one would have had to retroactively disqualify most of our presidents, including at least two who are still living (Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush).

Agreed. If belief in Satan is disqualifying, then so is belief in God, so let's not go there.

380 mdey  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 5:04:36am

re: #372 Lidane

The real James Carville was much better on Real Time on Friday. If you haven't seen it, check it out.

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 5:22:24am

Moscow, now.

[Link: vova-maltsev.livejournal.com...]

382 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 5:38:56am

re: #381 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Moscow, now.

[Link: vova-maltsev.livejournal.com...]

Putin should just buy Diebold voting machines and save the military all that standing around.

383 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:13:58am

Morning.

Sure enough, pea brained Jawa Vinnie resorts to the usual gay fantasy pathology which you can read in this Tweet.

Lab rats.

384 darthstar  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:19:18am

Wow, Charles...where did they get that picture of Rick Santorum's ass-tat?

385 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:34:14am

re: #373 Obdicut

Yer missin' a colon.

I'm missing a hell of a lot more than that.

There are times when I wish I could turn the clock back 25 years, and other times when I think the next 25 years won't go by fast enough.

386 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:45:25am

Finished reading The Hunger Games trilogy. The last book left me drained...the author takes her protagonist through several levels of hell. I'm not sure how they will translate it to the screen with any kind of faithfulness without getting an R rating.

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:46:04am

re: #383 Gus

Morning.

Sure enough, pea brained Jawa Vinnie resorts to the usual gay fantasy pathology which you can read in this Tweet.

Lab rats.

Shameless.

388 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:46:24am

re: #386 Tigger2005

What are they about?

389 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:48:13am

re: #387 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Shameless.

Predictable aye? They got nothing so all they do is fling guttural insults. As if that's supposed to hurt me? It's just dumb and only strengthens my opinion that we're dealing with defective merchandise in the brain department.

390 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:50:16am

re: #389 Gus

Facts, logic, reason - means nothing to them. They wouldn't be various shades of *-deniers otherwise.

391 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:51:05am

re: #383 Gus

Morning.

Sure enough, pea brained Jawa Vinnie resorts to the usual gay fantasy pathology which you can read in this Tweet.

Lab rats.

I liked your tweet! butterball turkey heh.

392 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:51:49am

re: #391 Klaatu barada nikto

I liked your tweet! butterball turkey heh.

Guess that really hurt his wittle feewings so he had to lash out! LOL RWNJs are so sensitive. ;)

393 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:52:22am

re: #392 Gus

Guess that really hurt his wittle feewings so he had to lash out! LOL RWNJs are so sensitive. ;)

Where's OhCrap? Haven't seen her in a while.

394 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:52:56am

re: #393 Klaatu barada nikto

Where's OhCrap? Haven't seen her in a while.

We were wondering about that last night. Haven't seen her around for a while either. No idea.

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:53:21am

re: #393 Klaatu barada nikto

Where's OhCrap? Haven't seen her in a while.

I've remembered her yesterday too... Missing her.

396 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:53:25am

Occupy AIPAC' to protest Iran war push outside conference

Some 400 people from a group called "Occupy AIPAC" planned to protest outside of AIPAC's annual policy conference in Washington DC on Sunday during the speeches of President Shimon Peres and US President Barack Obama. The protesters will urge Obama to engage in diplomacy with Iran.

The protesters said in a press release that they intend to spell out the words "NO WAR ON IRAN" in giant letters, set up mock checkpoints and an "Annexation Wall."

The group stated that it is gathering to urge Obama to reject "the Israeli administration’s push for war on Iran and insist on respect for Palestinian rights."

397 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:54:08am

re: #392 Gus

This jawa guy acted like a low-quality putinist bot I always see in LJ comments.

398 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:54:42am

re: #397 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

This jawa guy acted like a low-quality putinist bot I always see in LJ comments.

LJ?

399 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:55:57am

re: #398 Gus

livejournal

400 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:56:09am

I watched Goon yesterday
Goon

Youtube Video

A good fun hockey movie even if you don't like hockey.
401 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:57:09am

re: #383 Gus

Morning.

Sure enough, pea brained Jawa Vinnie resorts to the usual gay fantasy pathology which you can read in this Tweet.

Lab rats.

Gay insults are the sum total of their repertoire.

It's kinda like Steve Martin's nose jokes in Roxanne, without the humor.

402 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:57:47am

re: #399 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

livejournal

Ah. Yeah. Most of these guys like Vinnie are low-rent material. They're all creations of the post-911 anti-Muslim freakshow sandwich. All muscle fat and no brains. Internet "warriors". What a freaking joke.

403 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 6:58:45am

re: #401 BongCrodny

Gay insults are the sum total of their repertoire.

It's kinda like Steve Martin's nose jokes in Roxanne, without the humor.

5th grade during recess. "Oh yeah!? Well, you're gay!"

Really?

404 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:00:59am

So when do we get to see the old films of Obama having lunch at Columbia University?

Derp.

405 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:01:38am

re: #388 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

What are they about?

Takes place in a future North America which has been wiped out by floods, tornadoes, drought, etc. The coastlines are flooded. Eventually a new country emerges called Panem, which has a Capitol surrounded by thirteen districts. The Capitol exercises iron control over the Districts. Then there is a revolt, which the Capitol eventually crushes, including completely destroying District 13 (which was the most powerful District). As punishment for the rebellion, the Capitol institutes The Hunger Games. Each District must send two children, boy and girl ages 12 to 18, to the Capitol each year to compete in the Games, a nationally televised death match which only one can survive. The winner gets everything he or she needs for life, and his/her District gets lots of extra food and supplies (most of the Districts are very poor and many people in them are starving, hence The Hunger Games) for a year.

The books explore several themes including wealth gaps and the way electronic media is used to alter perceptions and manipulate opinion. Nothing truly new or groundbreaking, but unlike dystopian novels like 1984 or Brave New World, teens and young people really want to read these.

406 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:02:15am

Another moron:

el SOOPer
@SooperMexican

You hear us Liberals? We're coming for you.... And we're bringing hell with us... WE WILL WIN THIS WAR...

407 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:02:39am

re: #405 Tigger2005

Sounds good. Is the writing bearable?

408 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:04:25am

re: #404 Gus

So when do we get to see the old films of Obama having lunch at Columbia University?

Derp.

With the dreaded Rashid Khalidi!

Speaking of which:

Youtube Video
409 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:04:33am

More signs of things to come from the wingnuts:

el SOOPer
@SooperMexican

We are the army... we will fight the war.. we will defend America... WE ARE BREITBART... and WE ARE COMING FOR YOU LIBERALS!!!!!!

el SOOPer
@SooperMexican

I AM BREITBART... if you're not, if you're ashamed to say so... then YOU are the ENEMY

Keep in mind that this is an "adult" speaking.

410 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:06:25am

re: #407 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Sounds good. Is the writing bearable?

Oh yeah, it's nothing fancy but it's definitely way better than Twilight LOL. The two series are compared because they both have a female protagonist and there is a love triangle, but the similarities pretty much end there.

411 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:06:45am

re: #408 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

With the dreaded Rashid Khalidi!

Speaking of which:

[Embedded content]

Ah yes. From the psychotic paranoids, and liars at the far-right Emergency Committee for Israel.

412 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:07:04am

re: #371 BongCrodny

From Yahoo:

Alaska girl locked in frigid bedroom dies

Stupid, stupid, stupid people.

Dipshit dad gets drunk while his daughter freezes to death.

And the mother went on the run. Fucking coward.

Between this and the idiots that made that girl down south run for three hours until she died, I'm beginning to think that demanding parenting courses and/or licenses before you can have kids wouldn't be such a bad idea.

My pet theory is you get a kitten first, and have to prove you can raise and care for it properly. Then you get a puppy, and have to raise and care for it. THEN you're allowed to have a child, and you already have a nice 2-3 pet household.

413 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:08:42am

re: #411 Gus

Ah yes. From the psychotic paranoids, and liars at the far-right Emergency Committee for Israel.

Released yesterday. Hot off the press. That's the dirty game they will be playing.

414 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:08:47am

re: #406 Gus

Another moron:

Busts out super laser.
Bring it, you pansy armchair warriors.

415 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:09:14am

A CARTOON BIGOT
HOLOCAUST DENIER WORKING FOR ‘OCCUPY AIPAC’

Update: Rae Abileah, a spokeswoman for Code Pink, which is organizing the Occupy AIPAC protest, claims ”Latuff in no way is working for Occupy AIPAC. He submitted some cartoons that were posted to our site because of their clear messaging about AIPAC and war on Iran. We had no idea about his participation in an International Holocaust Cartoon Contest, and in fact before today I was unaware such a horrific competition ever existed. This is problematic and we obviously condemn any Holocaust-denial. May the memory of my relatives who perished in the Shoa be a blessing.” She stood by her organization’s criticism of AIPAC.

417 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:11:35am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

I spit on Latuff, who is of course an antisemite, but I've seen no evidence of him being a Holocaust denier. You were once pleading for accuracy of labels.

418 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:11:44am

From the Free Beacon:

Obama Campaign Mocks Religious Values
GOP seeks conscience protections identical to those proposed by Democrats in 1994
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff - March 1, 2012 2:49 pm

President Obama’s reelection campaign on Thursday mocked a Republican effort to restore conscience protections for religious institutions under the new health care law.
$2,500 for a misspelled invite
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff - February 29, 2012 4:06 pm
Invitation

The Obama Victory Fund 2012 will host a fundraiser reception March 7 in Jacksonville, Fla. with Vice President Joe Biden. Tickets range from $100 for general admission to $2,500 for host committee tickets. Vice President “Jospeh” R. Biden is not pictured on the invitation.
Obama’s Beach Bundler
Despite criticism, major campaign donor is Virgin Islands tax haven specialist
BY: Patrick Howley - February 29, 2012 5:00 am
AP Images

One of President Obama’s major bundlers is a lawyer who helps her wealthy clients exploit the very offshore tax benefits the president has criticized.
Koch Industries: Obama trying to “Chill free speech and squelch dissent”
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff - February 24, 2012 6:46 pm

Philip Ellender, president of government affairs for Koch Industries, charges in a letter to Obama campaign manager Jim Messina that President Obama and his campaign are fostering “an effort to chill free speech and squelch dissent.”
Obama Politicized High Gas Prices in 2008, Now Accuses GOP of Playing Politics
Largest recipient of BP cash
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff - February 24, 2012 10:42 am

Gas prices continue to rise, and President Obama continues to insist there is “no silver bullet” solution to the problem, accusing his critics of playing politics.
Report: White House Economic Message Bombs with Voters
Dem pollsters note “stubbornness” of party’s weakness
BY: Andrew Stiles - February 24, 2012 10:16 am

The drawn out Republican primary and the steady rise of President Obama’s approval rating has given many Democrats reason to feel confident about the 2012 election. But a new report from a group of Democratic pollsters offers a sobering assessment of the party’s prospects heading into November.
Obama Campaign Co-Chair Has Ties to Mortgage Crisis
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff - February 24, 2012 9:49 am

The Daily Caller reports that Massachusetts Governor and Obama campaign surrogate Deval Patrick (D), served on the board of a mortgage firm that was the “dominant subprime lender” leading up to the 2007 housing crisis.

419 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:12:32am

I see Rick is breaking out the dog-whistles and such.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

We even get the "Judeo-" tag!

I do begin to wonder that if someone asked Rick when The Enlightenment began he'd answer that it was when Edison invented the incandescent light bulb.

420 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:12:50am

Lol.

421 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:13:23am

Nice pro-Hamas sign on the left
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

422 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:13:25am

Fill ’er Up
Soros, T. Boone pull up to the subsidy pump

Free Beacon. Derp.

423 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:13:59am

Oh here we go with the morning Jawa report from Killgore.

424 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:14:08am

re: #416 Gus

Linking to Free Beacon in a serious vein? LOL KT.

Looks like WND Lite.

425 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:15:03am

re: #409 Gus

More signs of things to come from the wingnuts:

el SOOPer
@SooperMexican

We are the army... we will fight the war.. we will defend America... WE ARE BREITBART... and WE ARE COMING FOR YOU LIBERALS!!!

el SOOPer
@SooperMexican

I AM BREITBART... if you're not, if you're ashamed to say so... then YOU are the ENEMY

Keep in mind that this is an "adult" speaking.

I just had this horrible image of a "V for Vendetta" remake with thousands of RWNJ's wearing Andrew Breitbart masks.

426 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:16:32am

"THE LEFT" holds sign supporting Hamas!

Film @ 11.

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:17:35am

re: #425 BongCrodny

I just had this horrible image of a "V for Vendetta" remake with thousands of RWNJ's wearing Andrew Breitbart masks.

Ewww.

Like, ewwww.

Ew.

428 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:17:38am

re: #425 BongCrodny

I just had this horrible image of a "V for Vendetta" remake with thousands of RWNJ's wearing Andrew Breitbart masks.

Would they bombard the riot police with hundreds of empty bottles a'la the end of _Reckless Kelly_?

429 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:17:41am

"THE LEFT" hates Israel!

Obviously.

This message was brought to you by The Emergency Committee for Israel.

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430 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:18:17am

re: #417 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I spit on Latuff, who is of course an antisemite, but I've seen no evidence of him being a Holocaust denier. You were once pleading for accuracy of labels.

Latuff is not a Holocaust denier. His shtick is that he likes to co-opt the Holocaust and claim that the Jews are the new Nazis.

He's a dickwad.

431 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:18:19am

re: #429 Gus

"THE LEFT" hates Israel!

Obviously.

This message was brought to you by The Emergency Committee for Israel.

//

They quote Charles Krauthammer! And a guy from The Weekly Standard!

Seems legit!

432 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:18:26am

re: #425 BongCrodny

I just had this horrible image of a "V for Vendetta" remake with thousands of RWNJ's wearing Andrew Breitbart masks.

Don't give them any ideas.

433 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:18:47am

World considers US, Israel threat not Iran: Chomsky

Credible source. It's PressTV.
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434 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:19:16am

re: #430 Learned Mother of Zion

Latuff is not a Holocaust denier. His shtick is that he likes to co-opt the Holocaust and claim that the Jews are the new Nazis.

He's a dickwad.

Exactly. He's a shit on a stick, but not a denier - at least not openly.

435 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:20:41am

re: #417 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I spit on Latuff, who is of course an antisemite, but I've seen no evidence of him being a Holocaust denier. You were once pleading for accuracy of labels.

I don't think he's technically a holocaust denier although he might be. He seems more inclined to believe the Jews are exploiting the holocaust for their own gain.

436 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:20:51am

re: #434 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Exactly. He's a shit on a stick, but not a denier - at least not openly.

He can't be a denier if his main (and only) gig is to accuse the Jews of being the "new" nazis. That implies there were "old" nazis.

438 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:21:51am

re: #435 Killgore Trout

Yes, that description is correct.

439 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:22:37am

re: #432 Gus

Don't give them any ideas.

Here, Gus, this morning's aviation photo set.
[Link: www.flickriver.com...]

440 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:23:15am

KT, I will take you more seriously if you stop linking to wingnut sites and PressTV for your OWS news.
MMMKAY?
;)

441 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:23:56am

re: #439 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Here, Gus, this morning's aviation photo set.
[Link: www.flickriver.com...]

Giggity!

442 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:24:22am

re: #439 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Here, Gus, this morning's aviation photo set.
[Link: www.flickriver.com...]

Nice twin Mustang. Forgot about those.

443 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:26:14am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Nice pro-Hamas sign on the left
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

So, what do you think about ECI's new docudrama about how anti-Israel Obama is? Agree/disagree?

444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:28:54am

re: #442 Gus

Nice twin Mustang. Forgot about those.

I visited the museum at Wright-Patterson a few years back. Problem is that the lighting in the hangers they use for all the aircraft (primarily all indoors now as compared to the mid 80s) is awful for taking pictures with a cheapish camera. Practically everything came out underlit, or in mixed lighting. :(

Plus the issue of being close enough to get a nice framing of the object of interest compared to being far enough back to get all of a large aircraft into view; e.g. SR-71, B-29, etc. And the fact that a bunch of the WW1 stuff is literally on the ceiling is a bit annoying.

445 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:33:47am

re: #443 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

So, what do you think about ECI's new docudrama about how anti-Israel Obama is? Agree/disagree?

Note. That's a photo from May of last year. Have no idea why it was brought up now. Medea Benjamin is in the center of the field. I guess we're all supposed to get bent out of shape about some upcoming Occupy AIPAC protest.

446 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:35:29am

re: #445 Gus

Because the Dem party supports Occupy AIPAC like the GOP supported the Tea Party?
/

447 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:35:31am

re: #444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I visited the museum at Wright-Patterson a few years back. Problem is that the lighting in the hangers they use for all the aircraft (primarily all indoors now as compared to the mid 80s) is awful for taking pictures with a cheapish camera. Practically everything came out underlit, or in mixed lighting. :(

Plus the issue of being close enough to get a nice framing of the object of interest compared to being far enough back to get all of a large aircraft into view; e.g. SR-71, B-29, etc. And the fact that a bunch of the WW1 stuff is literally on the ceiling is a bit annoying.

I was there as a teen back in the 70s. Don't remember seeing much. It's gotten much larger over the years. I'd like to go to the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia.

448 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:36:42am

re: #446 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Because the Dem party supports Occupy AIPAC like the GOP supported the Tea Party?
/

That's what "your side" is doing!

They'll probably look for a way to bring Breitbart into this.

449 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:37:07am

re: #437 Varek Raith

Fox Anchor Suggests Contraceptive Coverage Is "Slippery Slope" To "The Way Things Are In China," Then Denies Doing So

Derp.

She was just asking questions. Never mind that it was a disguised implication that the Obama Administration is just like the Chinese Communists! (PANIC!)

If you look at the article I linked to about Santorum's recent speech in Ohio note how he does the same sort of thing to associate liberals with Islam.

450 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:37:58am

re: #443 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

So, what do you think about ECI's new docudrama about how anti-Israel Obama is? Agree/disagree?

I only watched the first few minutes. Looked like complete bullshit to me.

451 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:38:05am

re: #449 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

She was just asking questions. Never mind that it was a disguised implication that the Obama Administration is just like the Chinese Communists! (PANIC!)

If you look at the article I linked to about Santorum's recent speech in Ohio note how he does the same sort of thing to associate liberals with Islam.

Chicoms!

//

452 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:38:11am

re: #448 Gus

They'll probably look for a way to bring Breitbart into this.

They should leave that body alone already.

453 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:38:15am

Ronnie Montrose died?

454 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:39:39am
455 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:41:08am

Montrose- Rock Candy

Youtube Video
456 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:41:20am

re: #432 Gus

Don't give them any ideas.

We are the Breitbart. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated.

457 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:42:41am

re: #447 Gus

I was there as a teen back in the 70s. Don't remember seeing much. It's gotten much larger over the years. I'd like to go to the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia.

I should work a trip in to there. As well as seeing the museums on the The Mall for the first time since 1988 when I worked at the USDA.

The military is busy shuffling their museums around as well. I think the Armor Museum is still in mid move from Fort Knox down to Fort Benning. The Ordnance Museum is going from Aberdeen Proving Grounds down to Fort Lee. And a few more as well.

Reminds me that I need to find/borrow a scanner. Got a bunch of photos I need to get onto electronic media. (Trip to England that includes lots of military stuff, and also an airshow in western NY in the early 90s. Got some nice shots of B-25 nose art.)

458 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:44:55am

re: #454 Gus

What.
Sigh.

459 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:45:51am

re: #458 Varek Raith

What.
Sigh.

Yeah. 64 too. I remember him from my younger days.

460 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:47:11am

re: #446 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Because the Dem party supports Occupy AIPAC like the GOP supported the Tea Party?
/

Of course you're probably aware that's not my complaint. They are definately anti-Dem. These protests are bad for business.
Here' they are shaming Conyers
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Here's a puppet show
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

461 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:48:28am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

I, frankly, don't know what your complaint is. You just post a bunch of stuff with an overarching theme but without a discernible point.

462 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:50:07am

We all know the far left exists.

463 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:53:29am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

Does Gordy from ABC Warehouse know that John Conyers is raiding his closet?

464 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:54:25am

re: #440 Varek Raith

KT, I will take you more seriously if you stop linking to wingnut sites and PressTV for your OWS news.
MMMKAY?
;)

Here are the Latuff cartoons posted on the Occupy AIPAC site.
AIPAC drags Obama and the world towards war on Iran
I would link to a DKOS or Think Progress article about this but they don't seem to be covering the story.

465 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:54:31am

re: #462 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

We all know the far left exists.

Their effectiveness in the whole debate is near zero. Code Pink protests AIPAC. The world yawns.

466 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:56:46am

"Voting" in Dagestan.

Youtube Video
467 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:56:56am

re: #464 Killgore Trout

Here are the Latuff cartoons posted on the Occupy AIPAC site.
AIPAC drags Obama and the world towards war on Iran
I would link to a DKOS or Think Progress article about this but they don't seem to be covering the story.

I see what you did there.

468 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:57:11am

(Asked this the other day, but not sure you saw it.)

Killgore, curious if you've ever read Marszalek's biography of Sherman.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

469 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:00:03am

2 main tools of falsification in these elections: absentee ballots and "carousel" buses.

470 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:00:14am

re: #468 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

(Asked this the other day, but not sure you saw it.)

Killgore, curious if you've ever read Marszalek's biography of Sherman.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

No, I haven't. Is it good? I've been spending more time reading these days. Mostly philosophy but maybe I should mix things up with some history.

471 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:01:02am

re: #467 Gus

I see what you did there.

;)

472 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:02:04am

re: #470 Killgore Trout

No, I haven't. Is it good? I've been spending more time reading these days. Mostly philosophy but maybe I should mix things up with some history.

My preferred book on Sherman is his own autobiography. But Marszalek is a "modern" one that carries with it a theory that a underlying drive in Sherman was one in maintaining order in society.

473 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:03:14am

Santorum backtracks on college criticism

Washington (CNN) -- Rick Santorum backtracked Sunday on his criticism of President Barack Obama's call for higher education, saying he agreed with providing options for high school graduates to continue in some form of additional schooling or training.

SNIP

His motivation in criticizing Obama was to "focus not just on four-year college degrees," Santorum said. Asked why he thought Obama was only pushing a four-year program, Santorum said "maybe I was reading some things" that gave that impression.

"If it was an error, then I agree with the president" that offering students options is the right way to go, he said.

On Friday, Santorum called his accusation that Obama was a snob a "little over the top."

SNIP

474 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:03:21am

It would seem Putin "honestly"* gets 40-45%, but they need at least 50% to avoid the run-off, and better yet 60% for image reasons.

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* Relatively speaking. Of course, the elections are not legitimate in principle when the political field is purged and all federal TV channels are basically your propaganda instruments.

475 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:07:15am

Rambo?

Image: la-0229-pin06.jpg

476 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:07:45am

re: #475 Gus

Bollywood remake?

477 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:07:45am

re: #473 Gus

Santorum backtracks on college criticism

"If it was an error" is the classic caveat for a not-pology.

So it appears that Rick agrees with the President once we go into nuance and beyond the immediate soundbite of bashing Obama by taking something out of context.

478 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:08:49am

re: #476 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Bollywood remake?

Herat, Afghanistan. Burning poppies.

479 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:09:36am

re: #475 Gus

Rambo?

Image: la-0229-pin06.jpg

Given the matching color under the dark jacket of the rest of the clothes is that supposed to be a uniform? (Curious, but given the lack of context I can't tell.)

480 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:09:45am

re: #478 Gus

Herat, Afghanistan. Burning poppies.

THEY BURN PUPP... wait, whew. Nevermind!

481 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:09:50am

re: #472 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My preferred book on Sherman is his own autobiography. But Marszalek is a "modern" one that carries with it a theory that a underlying drive in Sherman was one in maintaining order in society.

I'll put it on my list next time I head out to Powell's Bookstore. Thanks for the tip!

482 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:11:31am

re: #479 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Given the matching color under the dark jacket of the rest of the clothes is that supposed to be a uniform? (Curious, but given the lack of context I can't tell.)

Afghan cop or soldier... have to check.

484 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:12:27am

re: #482 Gus

Afghan cop or soldier... have to check.

Given the color I'd say police. Military would probably be using olive drab or a camo pattern.

485 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:13:29am

re: #484 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Given the color I'd say police. Military would probably be using olive drab or a camo pattern.

There was a visual test posted here months ago - "cops or soldiers?". Often hard to distinguish.

486 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:13:46am

Herat, Afghanistan — An Afghan police officer stands guard as a pile of narcotics is set alight by officials on the outskirts of Herat. Opium production in Asia is set to rise, the International Narcotics Control Board warned in its annual report.

[Link: framework.latimes.com...]

487 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:13:56am

Good one from the KosKIdz: Grow Your Own Wheat

488 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:14:36am

Maybe they should just burn MJ all over Afpak area... instant peace...

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489 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:15:24am

Worst train tragedy in Poland in years kills 16

490 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:16:14am

Eek. Sergey. Look at this one.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

491 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:17:25am

re: #490 Gus

oh snap

492 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:18:09am

That's it.
I'm going to make Occupy signs for KT's frogs.
That'll learn him!
:P

493 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:18:29am

Iran elections: Ahmadinejad reduced to lame duck

Forces loyal to conservative cleric Ayatollah Ali Khamenei have taken over 75 percent of the seats in parliamentary elections, leaving rival President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad weakened.

494 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:18:54am

re: #492 Varek Raith

That's it.
I'm going to make Occupy signs for KT's frogs.
That'll learn him!
:P

Don't forget the enlarging ray. Giant frogs are tougher to argue with.

495 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:20:04am

Quickly. Obama is now speaking at AIPAC.

[Link: www.aipac.org...]

496 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:20:41am

re: #492 Varek Raith

That's it.
I'm going to make Occupy signs for KT's frogs.
That'll learn him!
:P

The frog population is really low but there are survivors. Mating season should be starting soon, I hope I have enough for a mating pair to find each other.

497 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:21:21am

re: #495 Gus

Quickly. Obama is now speaking at AIPAC.

[Link: www.aipac.org...]

Zionist warmonger!

498 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:22:05am

OMG Flotilla!

499 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:23:44am

It's such a bummer that the left can't learn from the Dem leadership on the topic of Israel. there's a lot of reasonable debate to be had but the lefties are all too often off the rails.

500 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:02am

re: #498 Killgore Trout

OMG Flotilla!

B-7.

501 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:13am

Just got a standing ovation.

502 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:24:57am

re: #501 Gus

Just got a standing ovation.

He seems to be doing well.

503 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:25:24am

re: #483 Gus

The whole gallery is here.

The Week in Pictures | Feb. 27 – March 4, 2012 - Framework - Photos and Video - Visual Storytelling from the Los Angeles Times

#30 has a youth and a bank security officer in Spain standing off after the protester broke window(s) at the bank. It's in motion, but I just have the impression from the security officer's left hand that he is (should?) holding something. But I don't see anything there.

504 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:25:38am

re: #499 Killgore Trout

It's such a bummer that the left can't learn from the Dem leadership on the topic of Israel. there's a lot of reasonable debate to be had but the lefties are all too often off the rails.

Yeah, but the right should also learn from the Dem leadership on the topic of Israel.

505 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:26:07am

Star Wars conceptual artist Ralph McQuarrie dies
:(

506 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:26:32am

re: #503 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

#30 has a youth and a bank security officer in Spain standing off after the protester broke window(s) at the bank. It's in motion, but I just have the impression from the security officer's left hand that he is (should?) holding something. But I don't see anything there.

I'd have to look again. I remember the image though and it looked like a very scary situation for that guard.

507 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:27:03am

re: #485 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

There was a visual test posted here months ago - "cops or soldiers?". Often hard to distinguish.

Yea. I did that one and didn't do too well. Though a clue that it was trying to fool you was shoulder patches blurred out. That police forces are morphing into para-military isn't that surprising given various pressures.

508 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:27:16am

re: #500 Varek Raith

B-7.

Someone's never played Battleship.
/

509 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:28:57am

Iran

510 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:29:20am

Again. Obama's speaking now...

[Link: www.aipac.org...]

511 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:29:25am

re: #508 Varek Raith

Someone's never played Battleship.
/

I presume the Varek solution is call "B-52" and carpet bomb the entire enemy board at once.

512 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:30:44am

re: #509 Gus

Iran

I'm still wondering how far he will really go. I take the statements with a grain of salt, Only time will tell.

513 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:30:47am

re: #511 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I presume the Varek solution is call "B-52" and carpet bomb the entire enemy board at once.

C-5

Youtube Video
514 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:30:49am

Another standing o. Just saw Shimon Peres.

515 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:31:55am

The feed is slowing down.

516 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:32:15am

"We will use all elements of American power to pressure Iran and prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon..."

517 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:32:23am

re: #493 Killgore Trout

Whatever part of the "Republic" part of the "Islamic Republic" was there before the 2009 Election is now completely gone.

However, we cannot afford another war. We simply don't have the money or the resources for a massive war with Iran right now. Just keep with the sanctions. The Government of Iran has become unsustainable.

518 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:32:50am

Boom! Just kicked Bush.

519 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:33:16am

Here's the C-span feed
[Link: www.c-span.org...]

520 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:34:01am

re: #519 Killgore Trout

Here's the C-span feed
[Link: www.c-span.org...]

Video temporarily unavailable.
Please try again later.

521 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:34:44am

re: #517 ProGunLiberal

Ironically, you don't have all that because of Bush's little needless Iraq adventure.

522 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:35:43am

More Moscow today:

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

523 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:37:29am

re: #521 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Your statement sounds a bit weird when I read it. Do you mean that, because of the Iraq War, we have less resources to hit Iran? I would agree with you there.

524 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:38:35am

re: #523 ProGunLiberal

Yes, I mean that because of the Iraq war your options with Iran are extremely limited.

525 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:38:37am

Very hawkish.

526 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:39:27am

He's really playing up his willingness to use force.

527 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:39:50am

Now is not the time for bluster...

528 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:40:04am

re: #523 ProGunLiberal

Your statement sounds a bit weird when I read it. Do you mean that, because of the Iraq War, we have less resources to hit Iran? I would agree with you there.

There's also political capital that has to be spent in making a foreign incursion. I think one reason that the Bush Administration tried to sell the Iraq invasion and occupation as such a quick and cheap pushover is that there wasn't enough political capital there to make a case based on an honest appraisal of what the effort and costs would be to do it right.

529 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:40:09am

Speak softly...and carry a big stick.

530 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:40:14am

re: #525 Gus

Very hawkish.

Yeah, he's switching gears now but he's a lot more hawkish than I expected.

531 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:40:56am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

Yeah, he's switching gears now but he's a lot more hawkish than I expected.

Never underestimate Obama's ability to kick ass. ;)

532 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:42:08am

re: #524 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Even if we had the resources, I wouldn't want a war with Iran. They are much more massive that any nation we have fought since WWII and the Korean War. Not only that, but they are much, much better armed and equipped than forces we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. And generally greatly more competent.

I have some confidence that their Political System will not be able to deal with the weight of the issues they are facing. Just keep sanctions, and wait.

533 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:42:15am

I think the Prez believes in Israel and will do what he thinks is right. I still believe there will be no overt military attack on Iran. I think it is far more likely that we will see more "work accidents" and other things like computer viruses and targeted assassinations. I do NOT expect to see the IAF doing bombing runs over Iran.

534 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:42:48am

Thankfully it looks like we aren't going to see an embarrassing "mic check" moment.

535 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:43:08am

Standing ovation.

536 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:43:15am

re: #531 Gus

Don't forget the specifics of speechifying tho. That Obama would be hawkish in his AIPAC speech could have been predicted months before it. What real-life policy is is another question.

537 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:43:38am

A lot of smiles.

538 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:44:24am

re: #536 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Don't forget the specifics of speechifying tho. That Obama would be hawkish in his AIPAC speech could have been predicted months before it. What real-life policy is is another question.

Of course.

539 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:08am

re: #536 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Don't forget the specifics of speechifying tho. That Obama would be hawkish in his AIPAC speech could have been predicted months before it. What real-life policy is is another question.

This stuff is always a guessing game but I tend to believe Obama on stuff like this. He is a bit...uhhh...'ruthless' on things like this. I don;t mean that in a bad way, It's one of the reasons I like him so much.

540 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:28am

A+

541 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:45:31am

re: #532 ProGunLiberal

There would be no casus belli anyway for the "direct" war since currently Iran is in not a direct threat. And helping Israel in its potential war is another matter, resource-wise and optics-wise.

542 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:46:21am

re: #539 Killgore Trout

This stuff is always a guessing game but I tend to believe Obama on stuff like this. He is a bit...uhhh...'ruthless' on things like this. I don;t mean that in a bad way, It's one of the reasons I like him so much.

Almost like he puts the apparent interests of the United States ahead of 100% support of the Democratic Party line?
/

543 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:46:54am

re: #539 Killgore Trout

I tend to believe Obama is reasonable in these things. Forceful when necessary. And not, when not.

544 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:51:49am

Obama made it clear. The USA will not adopt a policy of containment but instead deny Iran from attaining a nuclear weapon. He also stated that we would be willing to use any and all means necessary -- including military means. He noted that "now is not the time for talk of war" and to avoid the bluster. "Walk softly, and carry a big stick."

545 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:53:25am

Rather in line with what Goldberg got for his interview in the Atlantic.

I'm going to repeat things I've said in other threads. I feel there's an echo of 2002; a steady push for war. One that dismisses the position of the other side as immaterial, naive, or even in some way traitorous.

I abhor the so-called Bush Doctrine; the concept that a valid cause of war is because the other guy MIGHT be a threat if allowed to continue on this path. That way lies war just because we don't like them. It legitimizes the reason in the hands of others, such as the recent similar declarations of Iran.

The nuclear proliferation genie left the bottle a while back. Trying to stuff it back in its bottle in Iran will delay, at best, the need to face the issue.

546 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:53:58am

re: #499 Killgore Trout

It's such a bummer that the left can't learn from the Dem leadership on the topic of Israel. there's a lot of reasonable debate to be had but the lefties are all too often off the rails.

Glenn Greenwald ‏ @ggreenwald
It's easy to forget because of how normalized it is, but this annual obligatory pilgrimage and oath-taking before AIPAC is just bizarre

Glenn Greenwald, hating on peacekeeping.

547 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:10:08am
548 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:14:07am
549 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:20:13am

More evidence that Ron Paul is a looney when it comes to foreign policy. Talking with Candy Crowley he just said that we don't need to do anything about Iran because we "surround them with 45 bases," and we could "demolish them within an hour."

550 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:20:39am

Anonymous Appears To Take Down AIPAC Website

The annual policy conference of the pro-Israel Group AIPAC is, as always, a massive show of bipartisan pro-Israel solidarity, and the target of protests from Israel's critics.
This year's protesters include newcomers: A group called "Occupy AIPAC," whose leaders seem to be drawn from the longtime anti-war group Code Pink, and the hacktivist collective Anonymous.
This morning, as President Obama speaks to the group, its website has crashed. An AIPAC spokesman didn't respond to a request for comment, but claims of responsibility could be found on Twitter.

551 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:21:15am

I can respect a man's death, his family, his private life. But I will not respect and revise such a man after death for public deeds and public rhetoric that I found repugnant during his lifetime. There is no redemption for those deeds upon death.

552 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:21:58am

Weirdest. News. Ever.

A hunt is underway for a thief who stole the heart of a saint.

Uh-huh. Now, why would somebody steal a Saint's Heart? That's just classless. And what would you do with it?

553 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:22:42am

re: #551 Gus

Death cleans no sins. Breitbart was a scum, it's not wrong to say it just because he kicked the bucket.

554 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:23:37am

re: #552 ProGunLiberal

Weirdest. News. Ever.

Uh-huh. Now, why would somebody steal a Saint's Heart? That's just classless. And what would you do with it?

Whose heart?

555 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:24:26am

Meanwhile, in Libya:

It looks like Libya will be a De-Centralized Federal Republic when this is all said and done. It may look (government-wise) like Switzerland.

556 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:25:02am

re: #549 jaunte

I will give him credit (did I just say that?) for pointing out this morning that Limbaugh's notpology was about stemming the loss of advertising dollars rather than sincere regret.

557 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:25:02am

What would you do with it?

Officials at Christ Church Cathedral in Dublin said Sunday they're distraught and perplexed over the theft of the church's most precious relic: the preserved heart of St. Laurence O'Toole, patron saint of Dublin.

O'Toole's heart had been displayed in the cathedral since the 13th century. It was stored in a heart-shaped wooden box and secured in a small, square iron cage on the wall of a chapel dedicated to his memory. On Saturday someone cut through two bars, pried the cage loose, and [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

558 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:26:35am

re: #555 ProGunLiberal

They better clean up their act and fast, because with each day the rebels look more and more like old Kaddafi's thugs.

559 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:27:02am

re: #554 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

The Patron Saint of Dublin, St Laurence O'Toole.

Guardian Article about most classless theft in History.

Irish police are hunting for a thief who stole the heart of a saint.

The burglar sneaked into Christ Church Cathedral in Dublin on Friday night and ignored valuable gold chalices and candlesticks, choosing instead to take the preserved heart of Laurence O'Toole, the city's 12th-century patron saint.

Whoever did this, please give the Heart back. Why would you do such a thing? God is disappoint in you.

560 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:27:13am

re: #499 Killgore Trout

It's such a bummer that the left can't learn from the Dem leadership on the topic of Israel. there's a lot of reasonable debate to be had but the lefties are all too often off the rails.

Who is 'the left'?

You use that term to mean anything from the people at Occupy to the Democratic base. It's pretty meaningless when you say it.

If the 'left' doesn't contain the Democratic leadership, then who are they?

561 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:27:40am

re: #557 jaunte

Bury it?

If those were Mormons, I would hear the cries of how creepy and weird their religion is.

562 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:28:24am

re: #557 jaunte

What would you do with it?

You obviously don't read enough fantasy.
- Feed, destroy, summon, or convert a demon.
- Summon the saint.
- Heal a HERO(INE).
- ... and on and on and on...

563 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:29:09am

re: #551 Gus

EULOGY, n. Praise of a person who has either the advantages of wealth and power, or the consideration to be dead.

EPITAPH, n. An inscription on a tomb, showing that virtues acquired by death have a retroactive effect. Following is a touching example:

Here lie the bones of Parson Platt,
Wise, pious, humble and all that,
Who showed us life as all should live it;
Let that be said — and God forgive it!

Linky

564 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:30:24am

"If you give Falwell an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox." -- Christopher Hitchens

And we're still living amongst Falwell's shit.

565 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:31:21am

Well, like many people predicted, Putin "got" 60%.

566 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:32:32am

How dare you insult the honorable and esteemed theologian Jerry Falwell! Have you no shame?

567 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:32:58am

re: #558 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

They are getting better. Misrata seems to be the issue. They have the mind that they are what won the War (not entirely misplaced, but give credit to the Berbers as well). Also, they want revenge for the ruination of their city, and want to punish anyone associated with what happened. Even the women and children who didn't do anything. Not to mention some of the militias like their new position with the money and power, and don't want to give it up.

But things are slowly getting better. Remember, for 42 years, the only politics were Qaddafi. Now that they are out of it, they have to create a new political system completely from scratch. While at the same time rebuilding the nation, most centrally the shattered and wrecked cities of Az-Zawiyah, Misrata, and Sirte. Make no mistake, Libya's transition will be painful and will take a while. But I think it will turn out decently in the end.

568 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:33:27am

re: #565 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Any idea what that actually means? Are there independent election monitors, or does Russia not allow them?

569 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:34:26am

re: #568 Obdicut

Sure, lots of violations have been registered.

570 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:35:07am

re: #567 ProGunLiberal

Here's the latest human rights violations report:

[Link: www.ohchr.org...]

571 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:36:13am

Of course. Like they say about Franco...

572 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:36:25am

re: #570 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

And how do Putin et al. deal with those? They just dismiss them, or blame the opposition, or wha?

573 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:37:20am

re: #572 Obdicut

All of the above.

574 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:38:00am

Somebody pointed out how the saint's heart being stolen sounds like a Skyrim Quest.

575 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:38:49am

re: #566 Gus

At long last, sir...

576 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:39:06am
577 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:40:26am

re: #574 ProGunLiberal

It's a Lich's phylactery. I suspect the Order of the Stick.

578 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:40:55am

re: #577 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a Lich's phylactery. I suspect the Order of the Stick.

Has... anybody seen Varek lately? Hope he's OK.

579 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:42:33am

re: #570 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

The new Libyan Government does have a weird advantage though. Many of its high officials were living in the US in exile before the war, and received a great deal of training here. This means we are well positioned to give out help.

Heck, let's look at our own history after the revolution, and see if we can't find a solution to the current excesses of the the new Libya. There are some significant parallels.

580 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:42:47am

Half an hour til dinner. I'm hungry! Jimmah is making curry again.

581 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:43:14am

re: #580 Klaatu barada nikto

Curried what?

582 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:43:25am

re: #580 Klaatu barada nikto

Half an hour til dinner. I'm hungry! Jimmah is making curry again.

With devil's dung?

583 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:43:40am

re: #581 Slumbering Behemoth

Curried what?

chicken!

584 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:02am

re: #581 Slumbering Behemoth

Curried what?

Anyone see the maintenance guy lately?

//

585 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:07am

re: #582 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

With devil's dung?

I think he's leaving that out. :)

586 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:12am

re: #583 Klaatu barada nikto

No goat?

587 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:30am

re: #586 Slumbering Behemoth

No goat?

El goato!

588 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:36am

The map of election violations:

[Link: www.kartanarusheniy.org...]

589 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:44:41am

re: #586 Slumbering Behemoth

No goat?

I've had curried goat. It wasn't bad.

590 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:45:36am

Sanford and Son (and a goat)

Youtube Video
591 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:46:17am

re: #589 Klaatu barada nikto

You have to get a good cut of goat, which is hard here in the states. You have to know a guy, who knows a guy...

Or go to a good restaurant.

592 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:47:00am

re: #591 Slumbering Behemoth

You have to get a good cut of goat, which is hard here in the states. You have to know a guy, who knows a guy...

Or go to a good restaurant.

It was someplace in brooklyn when I had it.

593 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:47:36am

re: #588 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

So what happens now? Continuing protests?

594 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:47:50am

re: #593 Obdicut

Yes, tomorrow.

595 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:49:10am

re: #592 Klaatu barada nikto

The best curried goat I've ever had was made by a buddy's mom. She knew where to get good goat.

596 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:51:05am

re: #595 Slumbering Behemoth

The best curried goat I've ever had was made by a buddy's mom. She knew where to get good goat.

She had a goat guy!

597 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:53:46am

And just as I indicated at the time, the viagra story was likely an atrocity propaganda.

518. In March 2011, Al Jazeera reported a story about Viagra and condoms being found on dead Qadhafi soldiers. Subsequently, many stories circulated that Viagra had been used as a means to encourage rape. The National Institute of Searching for Missing Persons in Misrata and Ajdabiya, who photographed and documented the bodies of dead Qadhafi soldiers, had not found Viagra on their bodies or belongings. One witness who searched and identified over two hundred bodies stated he had not found any Viagra or condoms on any dead Qadhafi soldiers.
519. As for the reports of condoms found on bodies of dead soldiers, there has been one doctor who confirmed he found between 10-15 condoms on soldiers in Misrata. Otherwise, no victims or perpetrators stated that a condom had been used during any rapes.

598 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:53:57am

re: #596 Klaatu barada nikto

Got good goat from the good goat guy.

599 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:57:46am

re: #597 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

I thought we heard that was discredited back in April or May. Doesn't change the fact that many of Qaddafi's goons were awful fucking human beings.

600 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:58:15am

re: #577 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a Lich's phylactery. I suspect the Order of the Stick.

Needs more Redcloak!

601 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:59:08am

re: #599 ProGunLiberal

Doesn't change the fact that many of Qaddafi's goons were awful fucking human beings.

Nobody implied otherwise.

602 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:59:17am

re: #600 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I love you.

603 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:59:48am

You know you are a geek when....

You can do the stiff legged zombie stalk across the room with your hands out like claws and your cat doesn't run away as long as you are doing the Star Trek "fight scene" theme. "Duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum....

Then he just rolls over and waits for belly scratches...lol

604 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:02:53am

re: #603 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

You know you are a geek when...

You can do the stiff legged zombie stalk across the room with your hands out like claws and your cat doesn't run away as long as you are doing the Star Trek "fight scene" theme. "Duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum...

Then he just rolls over and waits for belly scratches...lol

"Yeah, you've had your funny, now scratch!"

605 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:04:18am

re: #603 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

You know you are a geek when...

You can do the stiff legged zombie stalk across the room with your hands out like claws and your cat doesn't run away as long as you are doing the Star Trek "fight scene" theme. "Duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum...

Then he just rolls over and waits for belly scratches...lol

Don't ask Rush to interpret that behavior for you...

606 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:04:26am

re: #603 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

You know you are a geek when...

You can do the stiff legged zombie stalk across the room with your hands out like claws and your cat doesn't run away as long as you are doing the Star Trek "fight scene" theme. "Duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum duh dum...

Then he just rolls over and waits for belly scratches...lol

I like your nic, also your avatar. Alien kitties!

607 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:06:27am

Get this:

"So 'slut' joins the 'n-word' on the List of Forbidden Terms" -- Robert Stacy McCain

608 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:07:13am

re: #607 Gus

Get this:

"So 'slut' joins the 'n-word' on the List of Forbidden Terms" -- Robert Stacy McCain

Yeah, RSM is still confused about why the n word is unacceptable. Figures.

609 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:07:49am

re: #607 Gus

I'm not sure he thought his cunning statement all the way through.

It's pretty much a blatant admission he'd like to say n*****.

610 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:07:59am

re: #608 Klaatu barada nikto

Yeah, RSM is still confused about why the n word is unacceptable. Figures.

Yes. He is saddened by the death of another one of his favorite words. We should respect him in this time of sorrow.

//

611 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:08:13am

re: #609 Obdicut

I'm not sure he thought his cunning statement all the way through.

It's pretty much a blatant admission he'd like to say n*****.

Exactly.

612 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:08:57am

That will probably be the first post! I'm guessing. ;)

613 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:09:19am

re: #609 Obdicut

I'm not sure he thought his cunning statement all the way through.

It's pretty much a blatant admission he'd like to say n*****.

Bingo!

614 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:09:26am

STO.
Escorts vs. Borg.
Escorts die like flies.
ROFL.

615 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:09:44am

re: #607 Gus

Where as I believe that Rush is not as stupid and ignorant as he pretends to be on his radio show, I believe that RSM is not pretending.

616 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:09:53am

re: #613 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Bingo!

Don't even need Socrates for that one. ;)

617 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:10:23am

re: #614 Varek Raith

STO.
Escorts vs. Borg.
Escorts die like flies.
ROFL.

Oh, you're here. I was worried. Somebody stole some saint's heart and I thought that might be actually your soul phylactery.

619 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:11:37am

re: #614 Varek Raith

STO.
Escorts vs. Borg.
Escorts die like flies.
ROFL.

Once the shields go, escorts might as well have a bit bullseye painted on them.

620 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:12:35am

re: #619 Targetpractice

Once the shields go, escorts might as well have a bit bullseye painted on them.

I flew one for a bit.
I don't understand the appeal.
Give me a tank with decent firepower and I'm happy.

621 The Left  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:12:39am

yay! Dinner! BBL. Play nice!

622 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:12:45am

re: #618 Gus

What a dweeb.

623 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:13:17am

re: #617 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Oh, you're here. I was worried. Somebody stole some saint's heart and I thought that might be actually your soul phylactery.

I was waiting for Jimmah to say it was in the curry with the Devil's dung.
O_o

624 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:13:38am

re: #618 Gus

Aw, let him have his fun. Don't you remember what it was like to be in fourth grade?

625 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:14:02am

re: #618 Gus

For some reason, I can't favorite your tweets.

626 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:14:06am

re: #624 Slumbering Behemoth

Aw, let him have his fun. Don't you remember what it was like to be in fourth grade?

Girls have cooties!

627 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:14:15am

re: #618 Gus

Hey, Vinnie. Fuck off.

628 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:14:50am

re: #620 Varek Raith

I flew one for a bit.
I don't understand the appeal.
Give me a tank with decent firepower and I'm happy.

The appeal is once you've spent the time grinding for powerful enough cannons and torpedoes, you can turn the forward arc into a killing field. Use your maneuverability to get keep your cannons pointed at the enemy and pound him til he's dead.

629 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:05am

re: #625 ProGunLiberal

For some reason, I can't favorite your tweets.

Refresh and try it again? Ctl + F5.

630 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:22am

re: #627 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Let's not, please.

631 jaunte  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:29am

re: #618 Gus

ICYMI. This was the last Tweet from the mentally and sexually challenged Jawa Vinnie.

This is the activist Republican base.

632 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:15:43am

re: #630 Slumbering Behemoth

Let's not, please.

Let's not and say we did!

633 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:16:15am

Gus, you're an oracle!

634 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:16:24am

re: #631 jaunte

This is the activist Republican base.

Exactly. This is what I'm calling Breitbart's monster. Although he wasn't alone in this monstrous creation.

635 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:16:56am

re: #628 Targetpractice

The appeal is once you've spent the time grinding for powerful enough cannons and torpedoes, you can turn the forward arc into a killing field. Use your maneuverability to get keep your cannons pointed at the enemy and pound him til he's dead.

Ah, the Thunderbolt approach. Enough forward firepower to rearrange his silhouette before they get you.

636 Gus  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:17:07am

re: #627 Wash Rush's mouth with a soap.

Hey, Vinnie. You're welcome to join Andy, useless trash.

"If you give Falwell Jawa Vinnie an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox."

637 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:17:22am

re: #559 ProGunLiberal

The Patron Saint of Dublin, St Laurence O'Toole.

Guardian Article about most classless theft in History.

Whoever did this, please give the Heart back. Why would you do such a thing? God is disappoint in you.

Why would any organization hang on to a person's heart at all, let alone for 900 years, in the first place.

It sounds a bit ghoulish to me.

638 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:18:05am

re: #628 Targetpractice

The appeal is once you've spent the time grinding for powerful enough cannons and torpedoes, you can turn the forward arc into a killing field. Use your maneuverability to get keep your cannons pointed at the enemy and pound him til he's dead.

I'll admit that Scatter Volley + 4 heavy cannons was funny as hell.

639 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:19:59am

What I like about my engineer build is that I'm good in a cruiser or escort.
Science, not so much.

640 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:20:38am

Knicks/Celtics on ABC ... The world needs to watch more basketball

641 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:21:46am

re: #640 _RememberTonyC

Knicks/Celtics on ABC ... The world needs to watch more basketball

shutty,,,,,, ACC tourney time coming this week.

I'll be doing 11 games in four days!

642 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:22:09am

...

643 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:22:13am

re: #640 _RememberTonyC

re: #641 sattv4u2

shutty,,, ACC tourney time coming this week.

I'll be doing 11 games in four days!

Not to mention the one I'm doing in 35 minutes

644 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:22:44am

re: #639 Varek Raith

What I like about my engineer build is that I'm good in a cruiser or escort.
Science, not so much.

Soo, you like cruising and escorting? //

645 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:23:09am

re: #639 Varek Raith

What I like about my engineer build is that I'm good in a cruiser or escort.
Science, not so much.

My experience is that tactical (which I am) is about damage dealing, engineering about damage resistance, and science about avoiding damage altogether.

646 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:23:45am

re: #643 sattv4u2

re: #641 sattv4u2

Not to mention the one I'm doing in 35 minutes

America's couch potatoes thank you ...

647 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:28:19am

re: #646 _RememberTonyC

America's couch potatoes thank you ...

Virginia @ Maryland for Raycom Sports

Did Wake @ Ga Tech and BC @ Miami yesterday

648 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:30:22am

re: #647 sattv4u2

Virginia @ Maryland for Raycom Sports

Did Wake @ Ga Tech and BC @ Miami yesterday

You get paid for that bullshit?! You should have to pay THEM

649 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:32:14am

re: #648 _RememberTonyC

You get paid for that bullshit?! You should have to pay THEM

I have ,, with my time, sweat, tears and yes,, blood!!

(wha ,,,, you think all that equipment in all those racks install/ maintain themselves !?!?!?!)

650 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:34:13am

re: #607 Gus

Get this:

"So 'slut' joins the 'n-word' on the List of Forbidden Terms" -- Robert Stacy McCain

Next thing you know women will object to being called C**ts too, then what will the ruling patriarch class be able to use to simultaneously belittle and demean them? All this P.C. stuff simply has to stop, even many of our male citizens are actually treating Blacks and Women as if they were actual people now. What will be next? Treating Hispanics as if they were people too?

I hope I never live to see an America where White men are forced to pretend to recognize the equality of their inferiors in such a way. My pappy and grandpappy taught me better than that.

///(excerpt from the future autobiography "Yes I am A Racist, So What?" by R.S. McCain)

651 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 10:35:12am

re: #649 sattv4u2

I have ,, with my time, sweat, tears and yes,, blood!!

(wha ,,, you think all that equipment in all those racks install/ maintain themselves !?!?!?!)

Lighten up, Francis

652 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 4, 2012 12:32:36pm

re: #651 _RememberTonyC

Lighten up, Francis

He was jokingly being sarcastic, and that should be Francis4u2.


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