Here’s a tour de force video presentation from the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio, showing ocean surface currents around the world, reminiscent of a Van Gogh painting. This is a powerful illustration of how sophisticated and comprehensive scientific real-world modeling has become.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:02:46pm |
So very kewl! I wish I could understand more than the sheer beauty of it.
Why do the dates change on the upper right corner?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:11:12pm |
Patterico's raving like a loon on Twitter:
It will all be exposed. Every bit of it. Every last scrap. Hahahahahahahaha.— Patterico (@Patterico) April 5, 2012
Wow. That's a Deputy District Attorney for LA County.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:25:37pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Patterico's raving like a loon on Twitter:
Wow. That's a Deputy District Attorney for LA County.
Those who don't wear pants have no fear of exposure.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:25:42pm |
Biologos has created a graphic trying to visualize data from Pew and Gallup polls, about Americans and their beliefs on origins:
[Link: biologos.org...]
I really don't like the graphic. I think it is misleading in description and doesn't convey the importance of the Pew and Gallup surveys, whose importance is that they have run over many years.
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:28:36pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Patterico's raving like a loon on Twitter:
[Embedded content] Wow. That's a Deputy District Attorney for LA County.
Just logging on tonight. Had a City Commission meeting. Anyone out there who can give me a quick and dirty recap of what Patterico is raving about?
Thanks in advance.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:29:42pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Somebody should can his ass.
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Kragar Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:29:47pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Patterico's raving like a loon on Twitter:
[Embedded content] Wow. That's a Deputy District Attorney for LA County.
I really don't want to see Patt exposing himself.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:30:33pm |
Time for me to go to bed.
Have a great evening all!
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freetoken Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:30:36pm |
re: #6 ProGunLiberal
That "somebody" would be the DA, who up till now refuses to see or hear any evil.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:31:13pm |
lre: #3 Killgore Trout
Those who don't wear pants have no fear of exposure.
Although sunscreen is recommended.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:32:17pm |
re: #9 freetoken
Out of curiosity, who is the DA?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:34:23pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Patterico's raving like a loon on Twitter:
Wow. That's a Deputy District Attorney for LA County.
That sounds like something a person being dragged away in a straightjacket says.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:34:59pm |
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Shvaughn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:40:21pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Patterico's raving like a loon on Twitter:
[Embedded content] Wow. That's a Deputy District Attorney for LA County.
What is he even talking about? I'm kind of afraid to find out.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:43:36pm |
My mental health state is better now than on Sunday or Monday. Now, it is just industrial strength cynicism. Here is a message I have sent to a friend to summarize my thoughts.
For me, everything comes from Rationality. What Islam does for me is give me a base, a set of rules to keep me from disintegrating. However, I try to act according to what would be logical and statistical. However, faced with some statistics and logical issues in this case, I slide to the floor emotionally. (Though one friend pointed out the fact that many people my age won't care about what their parents say about their significant other's beliefs, so I don't worry as much about the religion aspect).
On the other hand, my interests are out in left field. Mainly Architecture (and Art, to a lesser point), Meteorology, Geography, and especially History. Who the flying hell I am going to find with those interests? Music and movies only goes so far. So, while I feel better, I also feel bitterly cynical about my chances because of my eccentricities.
The lady right now is trying to stop me from attacking myself. I largely have. However, I am much more cynical than either her or my grandparents on this. I need some sort of statistical, rational, or logical proof for the cynicism to break.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:45:51pm |
re: #15 ProGunLiberal
Also, I should mention that I would rather die than use the Internet for relationships. I've heard too many bad stories.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:48:50pm |
re: #14 Shvaughn
What is he even talking about? I'm kind of afraid to find out.
He's been ranting all day about "discovering a progressive plot" to plant offensive comments at his site.
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Kragar Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:50:21pm |
re: #17 Charles Johnson
He's been ranting all day about "discovering a progressive plot" to plant offensive comments at his site.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:50:27pm |
re: #17 Charles Johnson
A little paranoid isn't he?
Most people have a lot better things to do then plant comments at all hours of the day.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:52:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:54:10pm |
re: #15 ProGunLiberal
My mental health state is better now than on Sunday or Monday. Now, it is just industrial strength cynicism. Here is a message I have sent to a friend to summarize my thoughts.
PLL, Art and Architecture can be used to charm a lady, if one knows what the lady likes. If you live in a place rich in Architectural history, as I do, you can incorporate your love of history into showing her the beauty of well done structures.
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 9:55:29pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
PLL, Art and Architecture can be used to charm a lady, if one knows what the lady likes. If you live in a place rich in Architectural history, as I do, you can incorporate your love of history into showing her the beauty of well done structures.
One trip to Oak Park ought to do it!
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Shvaughn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:00:01pm |
re: #17 Charles Johnson
He's been ranting all day about "discovering a progressive plot" to plant offensive comments at his site.
Why doesn't he just screen comments, require registration, or otherwise delete the shitty comments he gets?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:01:30pm |
re: #22 austin_blue
One trip to Oak Park ought to do it!
Yeah, if you have the right preparation. The good thing about Oak Park and some other Cook County locations is that the incredible buildings are located right near (and in some cases contain) some excellent restaurants.
Oak Park is lovely in that regard, though. With example such as the old Marshall Field's building (lower floors are still retail and the owners do maintain the clocks on the corners) to the movie theater (a very nice Art Deco piece, the Pickwick in Park Ridge is also a good example of that theme), Oak Park has much to see for the Architecture lover.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:02:31pm |
re: #23 Shvaughn
Why doesn't he just screen comments, require registration, or otherwise delete the shitty comments he gets?
Because that would require him actually working, instead of just bitching about how evil the left is.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:04:34pm |
re: #22 austin_blue
Which Oak Park? Seriously, I can count 15+
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:05:15pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, if you have the right preparation. The good thing about Oak Park and some other Cook County locations is that the incredible buildings are located right near (and in some cases contain) some excellent restaurants.
Oak Park is lovely in that regard, though. With example such as the old Marshall Field's building (lower floors are still retail and the owners do maintain the clocks on the corners) to the movie theater (a very nice Art Deco piece, the Pickwick in Park Ridge is also a good example of that theme), Oak Park has much to see for the Architecture lover.
I've got cousins in Park Ridge. But the glory of Oak Park is the concentration of Frank Lloyd Wright houses, including his own.
Oh, and Petersen's ice cream.
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:06:30pm |
re: #26 ProGunLiberal
Which Oak Park? Seriously, I can count 15+
Illinois, west of downtown Shicaga.
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Kronocide Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:08:01pm |
re: #23 Shvaughn
Why doesn't he just screen comments, require registration, or otherwise delete the shitty comments he gets?
There's a War on Liberalism going on. Get with the program sissy boy.
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Altermite Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:08:38pm |
Anyone have advice on bike locks? I just had my second bike stolen in a month, and the store dude's advice was obviously worthless.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:08:48pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
Because that would require him actually working, instead of just bitching about how evil the left is.
That, and it would likely alienate a large part of his readership while killing a great deal of traffic.
And crying "plant" is just a cover for the audience that is being targeted. No one can run a blog and actually be that mentally stunted as to believe every one of those comments is planted by operatives of the opposition.
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:09:26pm |
re: #29 Kronocide
There's a War on Liberalism going on. Get with the program sissy boy.
I'm pretty girl Siobhan is a sissy girl.
(ducks)
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Altermite Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:09:43pm |
re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
And crying "plant" is just a cover for the audience that is being targeted. No one can run a blog and actually be that mentally stunted as to believe every one of those comments is planted by operatives of the opposition.
There's a quote, allegedly from einstein, vis a vis limits of the universe and human stupidity addressing this.
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:09:53pm |
re: #30 Altermite
Anyone have advice on bike locks? I just had my second bike stolen in a month, and the store dude's advice was obviously worthless.
Where are you in Santa Cruz?
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Shvaughn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:10:48pm |
re: #32 austin_blue
I'm pretty girl Siobhan is a sissy girl.
(ducks)
Aye, it's true, I'm a sissy girl.
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:11:15pm |
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:11:34pm |
re: #29 Kronocide
There's a War on Liberalism going on. Get with the program sissy boy.
We are all Teddy Kennedy now. All we need is a "film noir" image of Ted to use as an avatar. Then get really weird with people on a daily basis.
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Altermite Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:11:38pm |
re: #34 Gus
Where are you in Santa Cruz?
Start near city hall, then drive 2900 miles more or less east.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:11:48pm |
re: #30 Altermite
Anyone have advice on bike locks? I just had my second bike stolen in a month, and the store dude's advice was obviously worthless.
Quick release wheels. Lock those to the frame, then carry that whole mess with you.
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:12:23pm |
re: #38 Altermite
Start near city hall, then drive 2900 miles more or less east.
You try a Kryptonite lock?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:13:00pm |
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:13:58pm |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
No thanks. I'll just stay Behemoth.
That's cherry picking and out of context. Try again.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:15:15pm |
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:16:52pm |
re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I know. I'm pretty fresh.
That was of course specifically planted.
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:17:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:17:55pm |
re: #27 austin_blue
I've got cousins in Park Ridge. But the glory of Oak Park is the concentration of Frank Lloyd Wright houses, including his own.
Oh, and Petersen's ice cream.
Surprising that you know about that last place. I agree entirely, of course.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:19:06pm |
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Altermite Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:19:22pm |
re: #40 Gus
Second bike had one. The back wheel and seat were stripped, with the gears utterly demolished in the process.
I'm thinking that maybe two would work?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:21:08pm |
re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Brother, it's a hard row to hoe.
As long as they continue to rake in the dings, they'll keep shoveling it out.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:21:15pm |
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:21:18pm |
re: #48 Altermite
Second bike had one. The back wheel and seat were stripped, with the gears utterly demolished in the process.
I'm thinking that maybe two would work?
Get a cheaper bike is all I can think of.
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Gus Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:21:57pm |
re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Brother, it's a hard row to hoe.
My attorneys will call you in the morning!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:23:39pm |
re: #52 Gus
My attorneys will call you in the morning!
I've always wanted to say that. I don't have attorneys. I do have a couple of siblings with legal training, but I have the feeling they'd get mad at me if I claimed them as my legal team.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:24:06pm |
re: #51 Gus
Get a cheaper bike is all I can think of.
Really. If someone wants a thing bad enough to steal it, the only thing that will stop them is armed resistance. And even then, that has little guarantee of working.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:25:00pm |
re: #52 Gus
My attorneys will call you in the morning!
Then can try to plow me all they want, but I shall not turn.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:29:00pm |
re: #53 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I've always wanted to say that. I don't have attorneys. I do have a couple of siblings with legal training, but I have the feeling they'd get mad at me if I claimed them as my legal team.
Refer to them as your consiglieri.
It may still make your siblings mad, but it may also make your opponents pause for thought.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:36:35pm |
re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Really. If someone wants a thing bad enough to steal it, the only thing that will stop them is armed resistance. And even then, that has little guarantee of working.
No guarantee, but if you train well and make good plans, you can ensure that any confrontation will see you having fairly good odds.
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abolitionist Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:37:52pm |
Saw this earlier. It might be interesting to examine some ancient sea maps that have warnings of the sort There be dragons --to see if any such locations can be matched up with any large-scale eddies in the video.
The 1080p video rendering might not play well on some less-capable systems, so consider clicking the YouTube thing (bottom right), and then selecting 720p or 480p.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:38:02pm |
re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Refer to them as your consiglieri.
It may still make your siblings mad, but it may also make your opponents pause for thought.
An offer that they can't refuse?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:39:40pm |
re: #59 talon_262
A warning that should not go unheeded.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:40:49pm |
Such as, "Leave the gun, take the cannoli"?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:42:25pm |
re: #62 talon_262
My people should not have to contact your people. Your people should not want them to.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 4, 2012 10:52:01pm |
re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
That should be appended with numerous sarc tags.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:13:35pm |
The Gulf Stream is not mentioned in the Bible, therefore it's a liberal lie to say that it's there and affecting climate!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:16:04pm |
Good morning Lizards!
Last full day in Germany today. Another overcast day in "it's always sunny in the Rhineland Wesseling".
No chance to tourist this trip. Working til after 5-6pm every day and simply tired out most of the time. Good food and good beer in any case. And I hope to get back over here with time to explore within the next year.
Tomorrow will be the mad scramble to get back to Frankfurt with the rental car in time to catch an early afternoon flight back across the Van Gogh Sea. ;)
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AK-47% Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:24:17pm |
re: #66 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
You are going back just in time for the weather to turn to crap for Easter.
Come back in May/June or September/early October, then you get the best weathers. Summers have been a real washout of late.
But weather has been wierd here lately, global warming or not: last winter was the coldest I have experienced in 20-odd years of living here, winter before that the snowiest, but as a rule, the summer craps out at the end of June and does not return until September.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:26:53pm |
re: #23 Shvaughn
Why doesn't he just screen comments, require registration, or otherwise delete the shitty comments he gets?
Because that would require work on his part?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:27:48pm |
re: #53 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I've always wanted to say that. I don't have attorneys. I do have a couple of siblings with legal training, but I have the feeling they'd get mad at me if I claimed them as my legal team.
Pssst, don't tell them!
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austin_blue Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:29:03pm |
Gotta get to the rack. Tomorrow is the last work day of the week, since Our Governor Goodhair has given all of us a day off on Friday, when Baby Jeebus was tortured and killed, stepped on a rainbow, and went to Heaven.
Odd that we don't get Monday off instead, the day after he returned to Earth to achieve his Godhood. As a retired Catholic, a child of Vatican 2, fundamentalism creeps me out.
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ozbloke Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:37:24pm |
re: #70 austin_blue
Gotta get to the rack. Tomorrow is the last work day of the week, since Our Governor Goodhair has given all of us a day off on Friday, when Baby Jeebus was tortured and killed, stepped on a rainbow, and went to Heaven.
Odd that we don't get Monday off instead, the day after he returned to Earth to achieve his Godhood. As a retired Catholic, a child of Vatican 2, fundamentalism creeps me out.
Glad to hear your happy to get a day off with pay.
Perhaps you can spend it here and trash the beliefs of millions of other people of faith.
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AK-47% Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:51:01pm |
re: #70 austin_blue
Gotta get to the rack. Tomorrow is the last work day of the week, since Our Governor Goodhair has given all of us a day off on Friday, when Baby Jeebus was tortured and killed, stepped on a rainbow, and went to Heaven.
Odd that we don't get Monday off instead, the day after he returned to Earth to achieve his Godhood. As a retired Catholic, a child of Vatican 2, fundamentalism creeps me out.
What do Rick Perry and Fidel Castro have in common then? They have both made Good Friday a holiday!!!
I sorta understand as Good Friday is a major, major holiday to Catholics, who make up a lot of the population in Texas. Germany gets both Friday and Monday off.
And Germans have a holiday on Corpus Christi (June 7th), which is not a holiday in Texas, just a city.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:19:56am |
Anyone have an opinion on this amp?
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:23:22am |
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:36:24am |
re: #73 Amory Blaine
Anyone have an opinion on this amp?
There's nothing like the warmth you can get with valves.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:40:35am |
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:43:52am |
re: #76 freetoken
re: #75 ozbloke
15 Watts... not going to be a very warm heater.
I'm a bit shocked at the ticker price. Used to be old tube amps could be had for less. Who would have guessed 40 years ago that tube amps would become priceless goods?
Didn't look at the specs.
15w, bugger that's a lot of money.
Makes me long for the days when I had my Fender Twin
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:44:43am |
re: #67 Expand Your Ground
You are going back just in time for the weather to turn to crap for Easter.
Come back in May/June or September/early October, then you get the best weathers. Summers have been a real washout of late.
But weather has been wierd here lately, global warming or not: last winter was the coldest I have experienced in 20-odd years of living here, winter before that the snowiest, but as a rule, the summer craps out at the end of June and does not return until September.
There were a couple of nice days mixed in the past two weeks. Weather here and back in Philadelphia is roughly similar right now. Overcast, drizzly, and cool.
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:47:19am |
re: #76 freetoken
re: #75 ozbloke
15 Watts... not going to be a very warm heater.
I'm a bit shocked at the ticker price. Used to be old tube amps could be had for less. Who would have guessed 40 years ago that tube amps would become priceless goods?
Looking at the price of the vox, I'd rather have this:
[Link: www.ebay.com...]
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Amory Blaine Thu, Apr 5, 2012 1:16:34am |
Thing is I'm going to use this in the house so the volume has to be somewhat subdued. If you don't crank the tube amps, you don't get the full richness of sound. Meaning it's better to get a smaller amp and crank it than to get a larger amp and turn it down.
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researchok Thu, Apr 5, 2012 1:32:37am |
| 85 |
EdDantes Thu, Apr 5, 2012 2:53:30am |
I just watched another Cialis commercial. What is "reptile dysfunction?"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 5, 2012 2:53:32am |
re: #76 freetoken
re: #75 ozbloke
15 Watts... not going to be a very warm heater.
I'm a bit shocked at the ticker price. Used to be old tube amps could be had for less. Who would have guessed 40 years ago that tube amps would become priceless goods?
hand built dude!
of course you can get a tube amp for less, Blackhearts are what,m $300?
| 87 |
ozbloke Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:03:32am |
re: #86 windupbird is in the gravity well
hand built dude!
of course you can get a tube amp for less, Blackhearts are what,m $300?
Dude! Dude,
Your replying to the wrong person.
Hope all is well with you and yours WUB
| 88 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:22:49am |
re: #85 EdDantes
I just watched another Cialis commercial. What is "reptile dysfunction?"
It's what killed off the dinosaurs.
| 90 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:31:19am |
Hey all!
It's morning! I'm awake and HEADACHE FREE!
whoooo-hoooo!
downside is I'll probably have to accomplish today everything I didn't the last two days :)
How is it wit' you?
| 91 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:32:02am |
re: #85 EdDantes
I just watched another Cialis commercial. What is "reptile dysfunction?"
slow hampsters.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:48:53am |
re: #87 ozbloke
Dude! Dude,
Your replying to the wrong person.Hope all is well with you and yours WUB
all's well! busy but fine ^_^
| 94 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:49:07am |
re: #87 ozbloke
Dude! Dude,
Your replying to the wrong person.Hope all is well with you and yours WUB
also, lol that was to ft, not you
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:54:08am |
A gravity well is the pull of gravity that a large body in space exerts. The larger the body (the more mass) the more of a gravity well it has. The Sun has a large (or deep) gravity well. Asteroids and small moons have much shallower gravity wells. Anything on a planet or moon is considered to be at the bottom of the gravity well. Entering space from the surface of a planet or moon means climbing out of the gravity well, something that often takes a huge amount of energy. The larger a planet or moon's gravity well is, the more energy it takes to achieve escape velocity and blast a ship off of it.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:57:52am |
re: #90 ggt
Hey all!
It's morning! I'm awake and HEADACHE FREE!
whooo-hooo!
downside is I'll probably have to accomplish today everything I didn't the last two days :)
How is it wit' you?
Well fed, not too busy, and contemplating the drive tomorrow and flight from Germany back to the US.
And practicing my "Nein Nein Nein" policy on a new user who keeps asking for access to programs deemed security risks by the bosses.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 3:58:32am |
Germany! Well you have been places this week!
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EdDantes Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:06:59am |
re: #95 ggt
"Once you are in orbit, you are half way to anywhere." -Heinlein
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:14:34am |
PRONUNCIATION:
(KIK-shaw)MEANING:
noun:
1. A fancy dish; delicacy.
2. A trinket.ETYMOLOGY:
From phonetic respelling of French quelque chose (something) as kickshaws which was treated as a plural and turned into the singular kickshaw. Earliest documented use: 1598.
In case you need a word rhyming with rickshaw.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:16:47am |
And for those who have no idea of French (me):
quelque chose
[edit]French[edit]Pronoun
quelque chose
something, abbreviated as: qqch.
quelque chose + de + adjective
something which has a characteristic of the adjective
quelque chose de typique
Something typical
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:20:01am |
re: #97 ggt
Germany! Well you have been places this week!
Been there the last two weeks. My "night owl" comments are actually made about 8am here.
Next week I will be doing "graveyard shift" in the US to continue support of the go-live work here in Germany. So then my night owl comments will be true ones!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:21:59am |
re: #98 EdDantes
"Once you are in orbit, you are half way to anywhere." -Heinlein
Now, I just need to figure-out if WUB is on Earth or some other gravity well.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:22:53am |
Morning, Lizards! John Cole over at Balloon Juice answered his readers wondering why he switched parties:
I think the meanness of the GOP was a big part of it. The outing people on the internet, the religious fanatics, the attempts to get people fired, the absolute unwillingness to ever admit error, the smearing of the Schiavo’s husband, the gay-bashing, etc. Even if I bought into wingnut bullshit, I never thought of myself as a hater. And let’s be clear- I can be a colossal dick, but I’m not by nature a hater. I think you can understand the difference. I’m a live and let live kind of guy, I prefer growing things and nurturing things to destroying them, but I have no problem chucking hand grenades or shooting first if I think it is an imperative. I’ll help anyone who asks for it, but I’ll also not flinch before punching someone in the neck if I think they are threatening someone or something I love.
And while Republicans may very well have been crazy for decades, the outright ugliness, I think, has escalated beyond measure. The hideous treatment of Graeme Frost was the final straw, I guess. It was just the last, final, “WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?” moment. You see the same thing from the same folks as they viciously attack Trayvon Martin for his horrible sin of being gunned down in cold blood.
But again, I will never know why it took so long. It’s not easy looking at everything you thought you knew and saying “Wow, was I ever full of shit.” But eventually, if you have two remaining brain cells bouncing around your thick noggin, the amount of evidence becomes unavoidable and undeniable.
Even for someone who voted for Bush twice.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:26:36am |
re: #104 Lidane
Thanks for posting this. Now that's some righteous rant!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:31:39am |
How did I miss this? Must have been during my Sci-Fi self-exile.
but it seems to be old news, why did Cole reference it now.
Then again, I don't know a thing about Cole.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:35:02am |
During the administration of George W. Bush, two attempts to expand funding for the program failed when President Bush vetoed them. Mr. Bush argued that such efforts were steps toward federalization of health care, and would "steer the program away from its core purpose of providing insurance for poor children and toward covering children from middle-class families."[10] On February 4, 2009, President Barack Obama signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act of 2009, expanding the healthcare program to an additional 4 million children and pregnant women, including for the first time legal immigrants without a waiting period.
Fuck Bush.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:38:00am |
re: #106 ggt
How did I miss this? Must have been during my Sci-Fi self-exile.
but it seems to be old news, why did Cole reference it now.
Then again, I don't know a thing about Cole.
Sliming sick 12-year olds. That's the far-right establishment for ya!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:42:21am |
Science-Fiction is reality. NO SHIT!
Google has revealed details of its research into augmented reality glasses.
It posted a brief introduction to Project Glass, photos and a concept video at its Google+ social network.
The images show a minimalist design with a microphone and partly-transparent video screen that places information over the view from the users' right eye.
The product's developers said they wanted feedback on the idea.
They did not give any indication about when the device might go on sale or what it would cost.
"A group of us... started Project Glass to build this kind of technology, one that helps you explore and share your world, putting you back in the moment," said a statement from Google X - the firm's experimental lab.
"We're sharing this information now because we want to start a conversation and learn from your valuable input."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:45:07am |
re: #110 ggt
Wow. Now imagine when/if the scientists will be able to reliably read the brainwaves for thoughts (there are already some first steps taken on this road). And couple with this tech.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:48:32am |
re: #111 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Wow. Now imagine when/if the scientists will be able to reliably read the brainwaves for thoughts (there are already some first steps taken on this road). And couple with this tech.
I'm still reeling from Vernor Vinge's version of the Future in Rainbow's End. Instead of google glasses, it's contacts and special clothing to work the intertoobs --micro-royalties based on who tunes into your life.
Not so far fetched.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:51:37am |
re: #113 ggt
"The pandas seemed happy to wrestle, but did not take things further"
LOL.
I'm almost afraid to ask: cannot this be done artificially?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 4:57:36am |
re: #114 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
"The pandas seemed happy to wrestle, but did not take things further"
LOL.
I'm almost afraid to ask: cannot this be done artificially?
I don't know. I still don't understand how Panda's survive in the wild. They only eat one thing -bamboo. I don't it has much protein in it. They don't seem very good at making babies.
I have a feeling they'd have been extinct long ago if not for zoo's.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:00:02am |
Google maps in stores?
Yeah Right! In the future you will apparently need
permission from google to rearrange the furniture.
dejey9410 11 minutes ago 21
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:01:15am |
re: #115 ggt
Yeah, kinda, too specialized for the environmental changes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:03:22am |
re: #117 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Yeah, kinda, too specialized for the environmental changes.
Even when they
do more than wrestle
, it rarely seems to "take".
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:03:51am |
re: #118 ggt
Then again, maybe it's because they're in confinement.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:05:24am |
Oh, look what I found:
Initially the primary method of breeding giant pandas in captivity was by artificial insemination, as they seemed to lose their interest in mating once they were captured.[66] This led some scientists to try extreme methods such as showing them videos of giant pandas mating[67] and giving the males Viagra.[68] Only recently have researchers started having success with captive breeding programs, and they have now determined that giant pandas have comparable breeding to some populations of the American black bear, a thriving bear family. The current reproductive rate is considered one young every two years.[12][24]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:06:01am |
re: #119 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Then again, maybe it's because they're in confinement.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:06:04am |
re: #119 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
I think they have even tried Panda porn, hot stuff!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:06:32am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:07:38am |
This makes me a hot sad panda.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:09:16am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:10:13am |
re: #125 ggt
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:10:52am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:11:58am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:12:44am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:13:56am |
Well, I'm off for a while.
Have a great day all!
And stay away from Stinky the Panda -- his cluebat has claws.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:23:57am |
re: #85 EdDantes
I just watched another Cialis commercial. What is "reptile dysfunction?"
When your chameleon tongue does not extend fully?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:25:58am |
Responding to KT's comment in the last thread:
When the press fails to inform the public accurately bad things happen. Zimmerman may walk, maybe from genuine innocence or from a technicality. The press has spread enough misinformation, conjecture and questionable forensic "science" that the public isn't informed enough to make sense of the case. It's a potential derpfest with very serious consequences.
I think the press did not do worse - or better - than in most other cases in the past, and certainly with far less serious consequences than in some cases (see: Iraq war). I also think that those who may have jumped to conclusions (e.g. that it was anything but murder - even though it could be, say, manslaughter) did this by themselves, not because somebody on the news said it was murder.
The NBC debacle was atrocious, but I learned about it only after it was exposed. Nobody here made conclusions based on the doctored tape. It was not offered as an argument. I did not like the "forensic experts proved" reports too, but they were a pretty standard fare. "Designated expert saying something or other". Some other details were questionable too (like the widespread but unproven meme of "100 lb difference in weight"). But on the whole, I don't see the reporting of this case in the mainstream media as as a fail, much less an epic fail.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:31:26am |
re: #114 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
"The pandas seemed happy to wrestle, but did not take things further"
LOL.
I'm almost afraid to ask: cannot this be done artificially?
I seem to remember that is the standard approach in zoos, they were trying to do it naturally this time. How do they survive in the wild? Tell me, would your girlfriend be willing to even start to make out with you if you were confined to a cage box with people loking in on you?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:32:12am |
re: #134 Expand Your Ground
Heh.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:39:45am |
re: #95 ggt
Curved space causing a depression from an object. Depth of well depends on the mass of the object depressing it. Now if we could only rectify this all with Quantum plank scale.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:41:15am |
GREENWICH -- A driving while intoxicated charge filed against an Argyle man who used a vehicle contact system to report that he was too drunk to drive has been dropped
Read more: [Link: poststar.com...]
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:41:57am |
I recall a scene from "Slaughterhouse-5", where he is being held in a cage on Tralfamadore together with photo model Montana Wildhack
Billy: Now we would like The night canopy.
Tralfamadorians: Why do you wish The night canopy ?
B: Because we want it !
T: Will you mate ?
B:We hardly know each other ! Do you mind if we take time To get better acquainted ?
T: You are acting very unnaturally.
B: We would like The night canopy.
T: Oh, very well. [ spectators groan ]
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:49:23am |
re: #138 Tommy's cone of shame
GREENWICH -- A driving while intoxicated charge filed against an Argyle man who used a vehicle contact system to report that he was too drunk to drive has been dropped
Read more: [Link: poststar.com...]
There was a case in Germany where the police arrested a fellow sitting in his idling car while intoxicated. he was acquitted: according to the law, he was only in violation of DWI laws once he pulled out into traffic.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 5:53:11am |
re: #138 Tommy's cone of shame
GREENWICH -- A driving while intoxicated charge filed against an Argyle man who used a vehicle contact system to report that he was too drunk to drive has been dropped
Read more: [Link: poststar.com...]
See, this is where the outrage about the police not arresting Zimmerman originates. They can arrest the guy for doing the right thing, but they do not arrest the guy for shooting someone under suspicious circumstances.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:00:37am |
Not mine:
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet."
-- Mark Twain
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:20:26am |
Heh. Just a tip. You know how at South Park Studios site you can't access newer episodes after some time?
You can access them with the direct link.
E.g. here's the new episode that is available:
www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/standalone,do-not-link-directly-to-this-page?c=409747
The episode before it is grayed out on the site, but you can watch it at
www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/standalone,do-not-link-directly-to-this-page?c=409746
etc.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:26:15am |
Good Morning Honcos!
I've been away from Lizardom this week as we are on our domestic travel for my Industry Study. We've been in Silicon Valley this week visiting Cisco, Apple, Brocade, Facebook, Google, Juniper and today Oracle. Probably going into San Fran tonight for dinner then back to DC tomorrow. Great trip, very interesting companies (also incredibly different cultures at each).
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:33:39am |
re: #144 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Heh. Just a tip. You know how at South Park Studios site you can't access newer episodes after some time?
You can access them with the direct link.
E.g. here's the new episode that is available:
www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/standalone,do-not-link-directly-to-this-page?c=409747
The episode before it is grayed out on the site, but you can watch it at
www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/standalone,do-not-link-directly-to-this-page?c=409746
etc.
If you miss an episode on TV, you can download it from ThePirateBay, although it's not recommended.
Last night's episode was pretty good.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:36:09am |
re: #146 Learned Mother of Zion
Yeah, I know, I just prefer watching on the site. Recently I've been watching all the episodes I missed (starting with ep. 7 last year) and found this "direct streaming" link.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:37:23am |
Something from the papers this morning:
Does 5-4, 5-4, 5-4, 5-4, 5-4...start to sound familiar to anyone else, as in partisan politics versus legal brilliance?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:44:56am |
re: #148 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Something from the papers this morning:
Does 5-4, 5-4, 5-4, 5-4, 5-4...start to sound familiar to anyone else, as in partisan politics versus legal brilliance?
Dowd is such a crybaby "There are 5 Republican appointed justices and I don't like the way they vote!" As if Kennedy was a reliable conservative vote. Please.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:45:48am |
re: #150 Tommy's cone of shame
She seems bitter
It is the total accumulation of red hair dye over the years. Taking its toll...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:47:53am |
re: #149 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Why, I think it's totally fair to throw "judicial activism" accusation back in the conservative faces.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:49:17am |
re: #149 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Dowd is such a crybaby "There are 5 Republican appointed justices and I don't like the way they vote!" As if Kennedy was a reliable conservative vote. Please.
You don't think the numbers say anything? It strikes me that we could just as well appoint 5 Republican congressmen, or senators, and 4 Democrats to do the same job and get the same results.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:50:07am |
re: #149 Darth Vader Gargoyle
She's entirely right that Scalia's interpretation of the Commerce Clause entirely depends on whether the issue is one favored by Republicans or Democrats.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:50:10am |
It's your turn, guys. You made this bed.
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:50:53am |
re: #149 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Dowd is such a crybaby "There are 5 Republican appointed justices and I don't like the way they vote!" As if Kennedy was a reliable conservative vote. Please.
Seriously? Kennedy of the "I think strip searches for the most minor offense are perfectly fine because hey, they might be a criminal" ruling?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:50:55am |
re: #153 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
You don't think the numbers say anything? It strikes me that we could just as well appoint 5 Republican congressmen, or senators, and 4 Democrats to do the same job and get the same results.
Yep. And when Scalia dies of a massive coronary, the numbers will shift back.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:53:03am |
re: #156 Interesting Times
Seriously? Kennedy of the "I think strip searches for the most minor offense are perfectly fine because hey, they might be a criminal" ruling?
Citizen, if you don't commit a crime you have nothing to fear.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:53:28am |
re: #156 Interesting Times
I don't think him drafting the Lawrence v. Texas makes him a liberal either. A no-brainer decision, except for far-right extremists like Scalia and Thomas. So Kennedy is a conservative moderate at max.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:53:53am |
re: #157 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Yep. And when Scalia dies of a massive coronary, the numbers will shift back.
So, you agree that the court is just an extension of the usual politics, but on a different election schedule?
Do you think that is how it was intended by the constitution framers?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:54:01am |
re: #156 Interesting Times
Seriously? Kennedy of the "I think strip searches for the most minor offense are perfectly fine because hey, they might be a criminal" ruling?
Kennedy has been the foil in many cases over the years. Part of his charm is that he isn't dependable to vote straight party line. I'm with you and disagree with his vote in this case, but it is just one case.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:54:38am |
re: #160 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
So, you agree that the court is just an extension of the usual politics, but on a different election schedule?
Do you think that is how it was intended by the constitution framers?
It's how it would work regardless of how it's intended. You can't make it work otherwise.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:54:44am |
re: #160 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
So, you agree that the court is just an extension of the usual politics, but on a different election schedule?
Do you think that is how it was intended by the constitution framers?
Yes
No
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:56:02am |
re: #156 Interesting Times
Seriously? Kennedy of the "I think strip searches for the most minor offense are perfectly fine because hey, they might be a criminal" ruling?
Morning. I have mixed feelings about that ruling. Put simply, I think it's a good idea to check everyone that enters a jail for weapons in any part of their body. This is most easily done through strip searches. It doesn't force the cops to perform strip searches neither does it provide guidance in how to perform said searches. But the most important reasoning I could see is for jail house safety.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:57:24am |
re: #165 Gus
I, for one, got back in line!
/
"Thank you, may i have another!"
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:57:57am |
re: #161 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Kennedy has been the foil in many cases over the years. Part of his charm is that he isn't dependable to vote straight party line. I'm with you and disagree with his vote in this case, but it is just one case.
Quality matters just as much if not more than quantity. When he does "vote straight party line", it's on cases that have hideously dangerous and long-term ramifications. I'm disgusted and quite frankly horrified that this conservative activist court seems beholden to pissing all over individual rights, while simultaneously extending the powers of police and corporations.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:58:05am |
re: #164 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Cynics abound this morning...
There are no checks and balances on the SCOTUS decisions, right? So what, except "good will", will make the judges not be politicians?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 6:59:48am |
In a close 5-4 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that people who are arrested, even for minor offenses, may be strip searched before they are admitted to jail, even if there is no reasonable suspicion they are in possession of drugs, weapons or other contraband. And the case is expected to have implications for black men who are disproportionately stopped by the police.The case, Florence v. Board of Chosen Freeholders, involved Albert Florence -- a black man and a car dealership finance director -- who was arrested by a New Jersey state trooper for a warrant on an unpaid fine. Florence had actually paid the fine.
Over the course of two days, Florence was taken to two jails. In the first jail he was ordered to strip in a shower with a delousing agent, open his mouth and lift his tongue, and lift his genitals. He was subjected to a similarly invasive strip search in the second facility, in the presence of other inmates.
[Link: www.thegrio.com...]
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:01:54am |
re: #168 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
There are no checks and balances on the SCOTUS decisions, right? So what, except "good will", will make the judges not be politicians?
You mean other than amending the constitution right? ;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:02:33am |
re: #171 Darth Vader Gargoyle
You mean other than amending the constitution right? ;)
To get rid of SCOTUS?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:03:08am |
re: #172 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
To get rid of SCOTUS?
No to derail a SCOTUS decision.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:03:49am |
re: #165 Gus
Morning. I have mixed feelings about that ruling. Put simply, I think it's a good idea to check everyone that enters a jail for weapons in any part of their body. This is most easily done through strip searches. It doesn't force the cops to perform strip searches neither does it provide guidance in how to perform said searches. But the most important reasoning I could see is for jail house safety.
Is this reasoning applicable to airplanes? I.e., if the TSA scanning machine breaks down, it's strip searches for everyone?
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:04:10am |
re: #170 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
[Link: www.thegrio.com...]
It was unfortunate that they had to use that case to make that decision. There a lot of things wrong in how Florence's situation was handled. But most of that was irrelevant. My main concern would be weapons, weapons, weapons. I personally wouldn't care about them bringing in drugs to a jail since it helps the inmates "pass the time." ;) But I think it' really important to keep the presence of weapons out of the jail cells. You know how in the movies they show a bunch of guys in one cell waiting to go before the judge? Well, it's like that. You don't know who these guys are. Even if they're in for unpaid parking tickets. It doesn't hurt anyone to simply strip down and take a shower. If you think about it also makes for a more pleasant experience to the nose and health wise.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:04:12am |
re: #167 Interesting Times
Quality matters just as much if not more than quantity. When he does "vote straight party line", it's on cases that have hideously dangerous and long-term ramifications. I'm disgusted and quite frankly horrified that this conservative activist court seems beholden to pissing all over individual rights, while simultaneously extending the powers of police and corporations.
We should just simplify things and privatize the police, right after we strip their right to form unions and/or strike.
///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:04:22am |
re: #173 Darth Vader Gargoyle
No to derail a SCOTUS decision.
That won't stop judges from being politicians.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:06:03am |
re: #174 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Is this reasoning applicable to airplanes? I.e., if the TSA scanning machine breaks down, it's strip searches for everyone?
I don't think it's the same thing. Different environments. Different reasoning. Strip searches by the TSA would be done on a case by case basis. However, since I don't believe in profiling. I think everyone should be subjected to about the same scrutiny. But that's for ordinary people that won't be holed up behind steel bars in a jail cell with one toilet mixed in with minor offenders and many times violent criminals.
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:06:07am |
re: #165 Gus
Morning. I have mixed feelings about that ruling. Put simply, I think it's a good idea to check everyone that enters a jail for weapons in any part of their body. This is most easily done through strip searches.
I suggest reviewing the case which brought about the ruling:
Florence said he went from the elation of having just bought a new home — the family was headed to a celebratory dinner — to the degradation of a strip search. And the arrest warrant was in error. Florence had paid the fine.
"It was a big shock," Florence, 36, the finance director at a car dealership, recalled before Wednesday's Supreme Court case over his ordeal. "I had just finished purchasing a home. It was a huge accomplishment to be living the American dream. Then, in a matter of moments, I was being processed like an inmate. … After that all happened, I cried, and I hadn't cried since I was a child. I just had so much emotion from being scared, humiliated."
Remember the infamous Egyptian "virginity tests", solely designed to humiliate and degrade female protesters? What's to stop bullying jerks who happen to have a badge from using strip searches in a similar manner? People arrested for ridiculous "you can't hold a sign near the legislature" laws could get targeted with this fascist garbage.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:08:22am |
re: #178 Gus
I don't think it's the same thing. Different environments. Different reasoning. Strip searches by the TSA would be done on a case by case basis. However, since I don't believe in profiling. I think everyone should be subjected to about the same scrutiny. But that's for ordinary people that won't be holed up behind steel bars in a jail cell with one toilet mixed in with minor offenders and many times violent criminals.
So you support strip searches for everyone coming into jail?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:09:27am |
re: #177 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
That won't stop judges from being
politicianshuman.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:10:04am |
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:10:26am |
Judicial activism and strict constructionism can and do go hand in hand. Recall that Marbury v. Madison, which instituted a policy of judicial review, came into existence through an act of reading something into the Constitution that isn't there in the plain language. Judicial review was something that other courts had engaged in - both in the colonies/states contemporaneous to the pre- and post-Revolutionary War era and the enactment of the Constitution, but the Supreme Court had yet to act on the principle.
Yet every decision by the Court thereafter has used that decision to review the law and decide whether something is constitutional or not. It's the way that the Court can read that X is constitutional and in the Framer's intent or not.
So, if you're truly a strict constructionist, you would also have to agree that judicial review isn't in the Court's purview and it should be struck down. That's not going to happen, so the position takes a hit.
Yet, there are limits to what the Constitution says and does - and its silence doesn't necessarily mean assent to a given course of action or conduct. The Bill of Rights picks things up from there, and highlights limitations on what the federal government can or can't do (which itself is limited by what Congress can or can't do - and under Art I, Sec. 8, there's not much that Congress can't do).
It's that last part that the Conservatives on the Bench seem to have problems with, including on the HCR case. Congress can enact laws to promote the general welfare and health care reform is certainly part of the general welfare.
A significant problem is the way that the mandate is formulated and penalty provisions are written into the tax code. But just don't call it a tax (at least in some formulations of the defense of the HCR). It would have been far better to simply increase taxes to high income earners (and eliminate the AMT by setting a COLA provision on high income earners making $1 or more and pegging them to the at least highest rate in effect pre-EGTRRA and JGTRRA and eliminating deductions/credits and other limitations so that they would see effective rates at or close to the 39.6% rate) rather than imposing penalties.
But the scheme formulated tries to get people to buy in by penalizing them to a fraction of what those insurance policies would otherwise cost them if they joined (at full implementation depending on the person's income, but low income earners would be subsidized into coverage).
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:10:32am |
re: #181 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
So you support strip searches for everyone coming into jail?
No. I leave that up to the particular PD. But if they do perform strip searches it should be allowed.
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kirkspencer Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:11:11am |
re: #178 Gus
I don't think it's the same thing. Different environments. Different reasoning. Strip searches by the TSA would be done on a case by case basis. However, since I don't believe in profiling. I think everyone should be subjected to about the same scrutiny. But that's for ordinary people that won't be holed up behind steel bars in a jail cell with one toilet mixed in with minor offenders and many times violent criminals.
Prior to this case, strip searches in jail were done on a case by case basis.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:11:28am |
re: #181 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
So you support strip searches for everyone coming into jail?
At my county jail they have an type of Xray machine that can tell if you have illegal stuff, um, inserted. You just stand on it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:11:38am |
re: #186 Gus
No. I leave that up to the particular PD. But if they do perform strip searches it should be allowed.
It should not have been allowed in this guy's case. Ergo, it should not be allowed unconditionally.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:11:54am |
re: #187 kirkspencer
Prior to this case, strip searches in jail were done on a case by case basis.
Right. And it will continue to be that way. This ruling doesn't force PD's to perform strip searches.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:12:01am |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
At my county jail they have an type of Xray machine that can tell if you have illegal stuff, um, inserted. You just stand on it.
Exactly, like in an airport. These machines and patdowns.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:13:44am |
re: #191 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Exactly, like in an airport. These machines and patdowns.
If I do get strip searched is it wrong to ask them to use an extra finger. Wait. What?
///10
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:13:49am |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
At my county jail they have an type of Xray machine that can tell if you have illegal stuff, um, inserted. You just stand on it.
You seem rather well versed on the process.
//
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:14:22am |
Gotta run Honcos. Gotta visit the Oracle of Redwood City.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:14:43am |
re: #192 Cannadian Club Akbar
an, pimf and corrected.
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kirkspencer Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:14:53am |
re: #190 Gus
Right. And it will continue to be that way. This ruling doesn't force PD's to perform strip searches.
You missed the catch, sorry for being cryptic.
Prior to this case, strip searches required probable cause. You see, the theory was that an arrest wasn't a conviction, and so you had a maximum of your various rights. Now, however, another right has been removed. Now you can be strip searched 'just because', in the interest of the security of the general population.
I've got a small wager that says that due to this decision at least one jail in the US will make strip searches 100% mandatory for all inprocessing and for all entry into general population.
It's not forcing them. It's allowing them.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:14:58am |
re: #194 Darth Vader Gargoyle
Gotta run Honcos. Gotta visit the Oracle of Redwood City.
Try not to get arrested! /
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:15:30am |
re: #189 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
It should not have been allowed in this guys case. Ergo, it should not be allowed unconditionally.
I can't make that decision for the particular PD sitting in the comfort of my home.
Image: greenhouse_prison-blog427.jpg
You can't just toss people into a prison environment without a thorough search. If you're talking about LA County. Orange County, NYC, etc. They all get tossed into the same jail environment.
Now. There are other cases of prison reform that should be addressed. Which has or had nothing to do with this case.
Image: PRISON-1-articleLarge.jpg
They will throw you in with these guys even for minor offenses.
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kirkspencer Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:17:35am |
re: #198 Gus
I can't make that decision for the particular PD sitting in the comfort of my home.
Image: greenhouse_prison-blog427.jpg
You can't just toss people into a prison environment without a thorough search. If you're talking about LA County. Orange County, NYC, etc. They all get tossed into the same jail environment.
Now. There are other cases of prison reform that should be addressed. Which has or had nothing to do with this case.
Image: PRISON-1-articleLarge.jpg
They will throw you in with these guys even for minor offenses.
No, no, no. Prison is not jail.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:19:38am |
re: #187 kirkspencer
And the case that allowed unfettered strip searches came from a specific instance where someone was arrested but shouldn't have been.
Bad case. Even worse outcome from the Court.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:19:41am |
re: #198 Gus
You can't just toss people into a prison environment without a thorough search.
No, only if you have a probable cause to believe that somebody may have something that won't be discovered by a thorough patdown. Which there was none in this case, since this guy was obviously a respectable businessman who was mighty unlikely to have anything in his ass or under his balls. Also, if the sentence above is true, then yes, it implies strip-searches for everyone.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:19:45am |
re: #198 Gus
Our jail has different blocks, depending on the severity of the crime. Idiot people get the non violent block, the harder core people get ones more prone to violence and murderers and child molesters have their own cell. And the people already sentenced to long prison terms have another while waiting to be shipped out.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:19:46am |
re: #199 kirkspencer
No, no, no. Prison is not jail.
I'm not going to quibble about image captions. Here. Look at this one:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:21:10am |
re: #204 Gus
The ruling stands and there's nothing you can do about it.
Yes, there is. Elect sane politicians who will appoint sane judges.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:21:42am |
re: #205 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Yes, there is. Elect sane politicians who will appoint sane judges.
It was a good decision.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:22:50am |
A guy I work with was thrown in jail because he is on parole. Some guy came into his house and put a gun to his head and the guy I work with beat the dog shit out of him. He was released when the facts came out. I'm glad he's on my side, if needed. Bad dude.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:23:08am |
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:24:47am |
re: #208 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
OK, if you agree with Thomas and Scalia, who am I to judge ;)
Yes. Thomas and Scalia also drink water.
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kirkspencer Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:28:51am |
re: #206 Gus
It was a good decision.
Having worked in prisons, I know there are many who would agree with you. Having worked in prisons, I know there are many who would disagree with you.
When you the correctional officer are outnumbered several to one, weapons are not as important as a cooperative population. Little things matter. Little things that build rage and tension reduce cooperation. Humiliation - and having both given and received them I will tell you strip searches are humiliating - is a little thing.
It was a bad decision. It will lead to wide-scale use, which in turn will increase unrest in prison and jail. It will also lead to even greater distrust of police OUTSIDE the jail. This person, and every future person brought in by mistake or released without charges, will feel even more resentful and mistrustful of the organization that is charged with protecting and defending them. More and more case in the grey areas will be judged against the police - not in court, but on the street.
It was a bad decision. It gives short-term and frankly insignificant gain at a severe long-term cost.
I will be asking legislators to get it changed. I'll talk to police officials I know, and to AFSCME reps and other influential individuals in the system asking them to resist taking advantage of this. It is not writ in stone, it is not permanent. I will try to get it changed.
But till it does, we - ALL of us - will pay the costs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:31:48am |
I don't intend to argue this further, I will simply refer to the dissent of the sane part of the SCOTUS. I believe it argues the case convincingly. This was an atrociously bad decision.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:37:58am |
Pasco County deputies search for escaped monkey
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:40:22am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
So the monkey ran away from him? It's because he spanked it.
//I'm bad. Too obvious.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:42:10am |
Drug sting leads to discovery of tax fraud, Tampa police say
TAMPA — What began as a drug sting last week revealed another crime, police say: tax fraud.
In yet another indicator of the pervasiveness of fraudulent federal tax returns in Tampa, police said three men arrested Friday night during a set-up drug buy not only were found with $15,000 in cash, but more than $630,000 in fake tax return checks and Turbo Tax debit cards
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:43:45am |
re: #209 Gus
BTW, I shouldn't have said that. Cases should indeed be judged on their merits. Sorry for that.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:45:17am |
re: #216 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
BTW, I shouldn't have said that. Cases should indeed be judged on their merits. Sorry for that.
That's cool. I made myself a sandwich. ;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:45:56am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:49:49am |
re: #220 Gus
Busch Gardens rules. It was better when they had a brewery and gave tours. I think you can also still get 2 free beers when you visit. (brewed in St. Louis, iirc)
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jaunte Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:49:59am |
File under "Absurd lies that Congressmen tell their constituents":
Steve King Brags Of Forcing ‘Anti-Meat Crowd’ To ‘Confess’ Their ‘Agenda’ Under Oath
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:51:57am |
re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar
Drug sting leads to discovery of tax fraud, Tampa police say
TAMPA — What began as a drug sting last week revealed another crime, police say: tax fraud.In yet another indicator of the pervasiveness of fraudulent federal tax returns in Tampa, police said three men arrested Friday night during a set-up drug buy not only were found with $15,000 in cash, but more than $630,000 in fake tax return checks and Turbo Tax debit cards
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
They should set up roadblocks in high white-collar crime areas and profile people driving BMW's and Esplanades.
"Just a routine check. Can we see your W-2 forms and your tax returns for the past five years, please?"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:52:37am |
Speaking of vegetarians, I think it is hot dog time. With fresh jalapeno relish. BBL.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:52:46am |
Keith needed 'Diva' limos e-mails reveal
Liberal bloviator Keith Olbermann spent his last days at Current TV driving colleagues nuts with rants about “smelly’’ drivers who had the audacity to talk to him, according to startling e-mails obtained by The Post.
“The problem is with him . . . the man who professes to be for the 99% doesn’t want any of the 99% talking to him or being near him,” an accounting executive complained in one of the missives.
An assistant, who had just about maxed out her corporate card in a desperate attempt to find a car service whose drivers would meet Olbermann’s exacting standards, e-mailed Accounting:
“I bet you wish I was joking about this . . . but we have yet another car service we need to open an account with.
“Any chance we can get this ASAP? I keep putting the charges on my corporate card and I’m afraid it will go over the limit soon!”
But then she had an inspiration — why not try an LA company called, appropriately, “Diva.’’
“I am hoping this is the last one!!” the exasperated staffer said.
It worked, but it didn’t last long, because Olbermann was fired about a month later.
He did, however, leave the studio for the last time in a Diva limo, sent by the firm’s New York operation.
Heh. What a moron.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:53:55am |
re: #224 Expand Your Ground
They should set up roadblocks in high white-collar crime areas and profile people driving BMW's and Esplanades.
"Just a routine check. Can we see your W-2 forms and your tax returns for the past five years, please?"
"Your papers, please."
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:59:01am |
re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar
Speaking of vegetarians, I think it is hot dog time. With fresh jalapeno relish. BBL.
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) declares war on vegetarians thkpr.gs/Hr4cfD— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) April 5, 2012
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:01:05am |
re: #228 Gus
It's so weird. I'm not a vegetarian; I don't feel the need to be dick to vegetarians. Except those who claim that by eating a vegetarian diet, no animals die in the making of their food, which is utter crap. Fewer, sure, by a large measure, but not none.
Anyway, I don't get the point of getting mad at other people for dietary choices.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:01:44am |
re: #228 Gus
King offered his own “confession” at the end of the hearing. “I too am a vegetarian,” said the Iowa Republican. “I eat concentrated, recycled, enhanced vegetables in the form of meat.”
Ha ha. I am on the same diet.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:04:48am |
re: #229 Obdicut
It's so weird. I'm not a vegetarian; I don't feel the need to be dick to vegetarians. Except those who claim that by eating a vegetarian diet, no animals die in the making of their food, which is utter crap. Fewer, sure, by a large measure, but not none.
Anyway, I don't get the point of getting mad at other people for dietary choices.
People can be obnoxious on either end of the spectrum. King of course is generally obnoxious on, well, just about everything. But I've known people who can be a pain in the rear end about "what they eat" and turn it into some kind of in your face religion whether they be devout vegetarians or devout meat eaters. Generally speaking, people should eat what they want to eat and just "shut up and eat."
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:06:35am |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
Ha ha. I am on the same diet.
I just had two slices of turkey cold cuts on half a bagel with mayo. Not sure if it was turkey product. I don't read labels. Tasted good.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:07:50am |
re: #231 Gus
I think it's perfectly fair to point out that producing meat costs a lot more in terms of resources than vegetarian stuff does. But some vegetarian stuff also costs a lot more in resources than other vegetarian stuff, so if that's the calculus, it's not just an easy meat/vegetables division. In addition, the way stuff is raised, how far it's had to transport to get to you, all of these are also costs that would have to be figured in.
I think people should eat less processed food, because it's better on every level, from the environmental to the economic to the health-wise, but aside from advocating it to people I know and like I'm not going to do much about it.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:08:57am |
re: #224 Expand Your Ground
They should set up roadblocks in high white-collar crime areas and profile people driving BMW's and Esplanades.
"Just a routine check. Can we see your W-2 forms and your tax returns for the past five years, please?"
A man with a briefcase can steal more money
than any man with a gun
- Don Henley
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:09:44am |
re: #232 Gus
I just had two slices of turkey cold cuts on half a bagel with mayo. Not sure if it was turkey product. I don't read labels. Tasted good.
Concentrated, recycled, enhanced grains in the form of meat!
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:11:34am |
re: #233 Obdicut
I think it's perfectly fair to point out that producing meat costs a lot more in terms of resources than vegetarian stuff does. But some vegetarian stuff also costs a lot more in resources than other vegetarian stuff, so if that's the calculus, it's not just an easy meat/vegetables division. In addition, the way stuff is raised, how far it's had to transport to get to you, all of these are also costs that would have to be figured in.
I think people should eat less processed food, because it's better on every level, from the environmental to the economic to the health-wise, but aside from advocating it to people I know and like I'm not going to do much about it.
Open discussion about those things on a health or medical reasoning is fine. As opposed to one on one human interactions. Now. If we start reasoning that diet impacts environment thus putting diet and food production under, well, government control? That's a slippery slope.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:12:32am |
re: #229 Obdicut
It's so weird. I'm not a vegetarian; I don't feel the need to be dick to vegetarians. Except those who claim that by eating a vegetarian diet, no animals die in the making of their food, which is utter crap. Fewer, sure, by a large measure, but not none.
Anyway, I don't get the point of getting mad at other people for dietary choices.
And it is not wierd that people who eat meat want to know what is going into their animal products...especially when it is pink slime.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:12:47am |
re: #229 Obdicut
It's so weird. I'm not a vegetarian; I don't feel the need to be dick to vegetarians. Except those who claim that by eating a vegetarian diet, no animals die in the making of their food, which is utter crap. Fewer, sure, by a large measure, but not none.
Anyway, I don't get the point of getting mad at other people for dietary choices.
Those vegetarians who cry "Meat is Murder" deserve being dickish to.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:13:46am |
re: #238 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Those vegetarians who cry "Meat is Murder" deserve being dickish to.
Yes, murder...tasty, tasty murder...
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:13:47am |
Also, H... Nah. //
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:13:49am |
re: #229 Obdicut
Think of all the pesticides/herbicides/and mechanical means employed to keep fields free of critters (or otherwise kill vermin/critters due to exposure to same).
Even if you're growing organically, you can still kill critters with various natural pesticides.
It's not zero, but far less than the numbers killed in production of meat and meat products.
Disclosure: Not a vegetarian, and prefer a meat/potatoes kind of diet, but the Mrs. has gotten me to be a whole lot more health conscious so I'm eating more vegetarian items, and have found a great kosher vegetarian Asian restaurant that makes mock meat meals that are quite good.
Oh, and I'm finding that I'm eating a whole lot less red meat in the process, and a whole lot more fish and chicken. But then there are the days where I crave a good hamburger or steak...
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:14:36am |
re: #233 Obdicut
I think people should eat less processed food, because it's better on every level, from the environmental to the economic to the health-wise, but aside from advocating it to people I know and like I'm not going to do much about it.
We have a system of industrial agricultural subsidies that tweaks the market in favor of mass-produced processed foods. If we remove or reform those subsidies we can go a long way in seeing that the price of food reflects its actual costs to us all.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:15:18am |
re: #233 Obdicut
I think it's perfectly fair to point out that producing meat costs a lot more in terms of resources than vegetarian stuff does. But some vegetarian stuff also costs a lot more in resources than other vegetarian stuff, so if that's the calculus, it's not just an easy meat/vegetables division. In addition, the way stuff is raised, how far it's had to transport to get to you, all of these are also costs that would have to be figured in.
I think people should eat less processed food, because it's better on every level, from the environmental to the economic to the health-wise, but aside from advocating it to people I know and like I'm not going to do much about it.
I met a guy from NYC who bought a farm here in Virginia and raises cows and chickens. He said his steaks taste so much better than the ones in the grocery store. I need to get a cow.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:15:25am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
Concentrated, recycled, enhanced grains in the form of meat!
With assorted hormones, antibiotics, and other chemicals mixed in for your body's enjoyment.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:16:17am |
re: #238 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Those vegetarians who cry "Meat is Murder" deserve being dickish to.
I hear my lettuce plants cry every time I whack off a leaf.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:16:20am |
I hear Maddow got #1 on NYT bestseller list.
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dragonfire1981 Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:16:28am |
And my home state of Mississippi continues to "impress":
Atheist group faces backlash over attempt to ban prayer in schools
That's public schools they're talking about, by the way.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:16:56am |
re: #245 NJDhockeyfan
I hear my lettuce plants cry every time I whack off a leaf.
I always cry when I cut my onions :(
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:17:21am |
re: #243 NJDhockeyfan
I met a guy from NYC who bought a farm here in Virginia and raises cows and chickens. He said his steaks taste so much better than the ones in the grocery store. I need to get a cow.
Better check with the co-op board.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:17:45am |
re: #248 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
I always cry when I cut my onions :(
Onions is murder!
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:18:11am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:18:29am |
Mario Barry in the news again.
Barry Comment Critical of Asian Business Owners
While celebrating his Democratic primary victory in Ward 8 Tuesday night, D.C. Councilman Marion Barry delivered a remark apparently critical of Asian business owners.
Barry spoke of changes in the ward, saying he’s worked hard for economic development in the city’s poorest ward and will continue to do so and saying something needs to be done about Good Hope Road and Martin Luther King Avenue.
He also seemed to criticize Asian shop owners who operate many small stores in the District.
“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops,” Barry said. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now. But we need African-American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”
Neither News4 nor Barry’s staff could reach the four-time former mayor Wednesday to get clarification about the remark.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:18:32am |
Read an article today notes the kerfuffle of using ammonia in making pink slime, but fact is that ammonia is critical in baking and chocolate processing for reaching the appropriate ph levels and consistency. By itself it's just another chemical product, but when people start to realize how food production really occurs and what's going into the food, they are getting a glimpse into how far removed food production is from what's actually grown/raised. It might spur some people to eat local, but a sustained outcry might get companies to reduce/alter/shift chemical usage in some processes and I think that once the pink slime outcry dies down, folks will go back to their old ways and not pay attention to what they're eating (or how it's made).
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:18:48am |
If meat is murder than this cat that's sleeping next to me is mass murderer. He can eat a small mouse within 2 minutes. Almost nightly when he's roaming the neighborhood.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:19:12am |
It must be the personal, internal nature of food - someting that you stuff in your mouth, somnething that reflects your tastes, your upbringing and your entire view of the world - that gets people really worked up about the topic of food.
I just try and enjoy it without overdoing it. I sometimes succeed.
I have been mostly vegetarian for the past six weeks, I am not Catholic, but I stop buying meat products during Lent, and although I am not strict or religious about it, I have been pretty-much meat-free. it is just a personal tradition.
And it means that my breakfast of ham and eggs and dinner of beef and chicken enchiladas are going to taste that much better on easter Sunday...
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:19:38am |
re: #246 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
NBD. Santorum got #2 on his gutchies.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:19:52am |
re: #254 Gus
If meat is murder than this cat that's sleeping next to me is mass murderer. He can eat a small mouse within 2 minutes. Almost nightly when he's roaming the neighborhood.
Figures.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:20:26am |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:20:32am |
re: #243 NJDhockeyfan
I met a guy from NYC who bought a farm here in Virginia and raises cows and chickens. He said his steaks taste so much better than the ones in the grocery store. I need to get a cow.
My hamburgers taste so much better since I've started buying the beef from a small New York upstate farm. They're more beefy, less tallowy.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:21:28am |
re: #253 lawhawk
I think part of it is that most Americans were under the impression that their hamburger was 100% fresh ground beef. I always though so, too. It was a rude surprise to find out that our ground beef was allowed to contain up to 15% processed meat product.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:22:08am |
Cat quarantined for scratching owner
A Texas woman wants to change a law that forced her to quarantine her cat after she was scratched. WOAI reports.
Help! Help! Derp.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:22:16am |
re: #253 lawhawk
We eat some things very local. Asparagus bed--grill 8 feet, 5 minutes. Grill--porch table, 6 feet, 10 minutes. Alabama agriturismo.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:22:23am |
re: #254 Gus
Which, by the way, is one of the chief hypocrisies of many environmentalists: pet ownership.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:22:44am |
PETA scrambled about W.H. egg roll
Excited about the White House Easter Egg Roll? Here’s one way to make those eggs a little rotten: PETA members will distribute leaflets to kids and parents attending the White House Easter Egg Roll on April 9 that caution them about the poor living conditions of chickens.
The leaflet from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is titled, “Eggs Are Better Lost Than Found” and reads, in part, “Eggs come from millions of chickens who spend their whole lives locked inside small cages in dark buildings. They never get to be out in the sunshine, walk around, or even stretch. These places are called ‘factory farms,’ and they are mean to chickens.”
The pamphlets, designed using “kid-friendly language” according to one PETA employee, and which will be given out outside the White House, also go on to explain how some male chicks are discarded alive at birth since they don’t produce eggs.
To “liven” up the effort, PETA will also send their “I Am Not A Nugget” mascot, a large, yellow baby chick.
No word on whether Secret Service is preparing for a potential White House Easter Bunny v. Baby Chick mascot wrestling match outside the northwest gate.
That's a wrestling match I would love to see.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:23:12am |
re: #261 Gus
Cat quarantined for scratching owner
A Texas woman wants to change a law that forced her to quarantine her cat after she was scratched. WOAI reports.
Help! Help! Derp.
The cat survived this incident.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:24:49am |
re: #264 NJDhockeyfan
PETA scrambled about W.H. egg roll
That's a wrestling match I would love to see.
The joke being that ever since Ronal Reagan, they have used wooden eggs
please go find a life, and then find something meaningful to protest...
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jaunte Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:25:06am |
re: #253 lawhawk
Similar to the people recently finding out that a lot of red food dye is made of cochineal: "There are crushed up bugs in my raspberry pop-tart!"
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:26:17am |
Jim Marshall, guitar amp pioneer, has passed away.
Born in London in 1923, Marshall started out as a drummer before going into business and founding Marshall Amplification in 1962.
He began making guitar amplifiers in Britain as a cheaper alternative to U.S. imports, and soon after legendary musicians including Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton were using his equipment.
He is revered as one of the four forefathers of rock music equipment along with Leo Fender, Les Paul and Seth Lover.
If you're listening to rock and roll, odds are that you're listening to music conceived or recorded involving Marshall amps.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:26:23am |
re: #266 Expand Your Ground
The joke being thatever since Ronal Reagan, they have used wooden eggs
please go find a life, and then find something meaningful to protest...
That won't stop them. They are upset at Angry Birds. A fucking video game.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:26:40am |
re: #267 jaunte
Similar to the people recently finding out that a lot of red food dye is made of cochineal: "There are crushed up bugs in my raspberry pop-tart!"
Mmm. Bug juice.
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makeitstop Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:27:16am |
Guitarists around the world mourn.
Guitar amp pioneer Jim Marshall dies aged 88
I'm lucky enough to own a Marshall JMP 50 watt amp, circa 1978. Still the best amp I've ever owned.
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makeitstop Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:27:39am |
re: #268 lawhawk
Jim Marshall, guitar amp pioneer, has passed away.
If you're listening to rock and roll, odds are that you're listening to music conceived or recorded involving Marshall amps.
Beat me by three posts!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:28:48am |
This post by Richard Carrier on vegetarianism caused quite a splash last year.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:29:01am |
re: #267 jaunte
Similar to the people recently finding out that a lot of red food dye is made of cochineal: "There are crushed up bugs in my raspberry pop-tart!"
God, whatever you do, don't tell them what makes the Oreo center white.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:29:10am |
Rocket fired from Egypt hits Israeli city of Eilat
A Grad rocket has landed in the southern Israeli city of Eilat, but has caused no damage or injuries, Israeli security officials said.
District police chief Ron Gertner told Israeli radio the rocket had been fired from Egypt's Sinai peninsula.
He said it struck a construction site close to a residential area shortly after midnight (21:00 GMT).
The blast took place as thousands congregated in the resort town for the Jewish holiday of Passover.
Rocket attacks from Egyptian soil are uncommon. Attacks on Eilat and the nearby Jordanian town of Aqaba in 2010 killed one person and injured another four.
Of course Egypt is denying it. It's probably an old piece of Skylab.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:30:05am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:30:50am |
re: #275 NJDhockeyfan
Wow.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:31:20am |
re: #273 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
This post by Richard Carrier on vegetarianism caused quite a splash last year.
I agree with a lot of that. People complaining about animals being packed together in unsanitary conditions ignore that, in the wild, many animals pack themselves together in unsanitary conditions.
Good article. I think it's slightly to blithe about conditions in a lot of places, but in terms of harm to human health contamination of greens is actually more dangerous than meats.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:32:44am |
re: #274 Targetpractice
God, whatever you do, don't tell them what makes the Oreo center white.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:33:32am |
re: #280 Obdicut
There's also this fascination about "free-range farms" and stuff like that, which is mostly hype.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:35:25am |
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:35:41am |
re: #283 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
There's also this fascination about "free-range farms" and stuff like that, which is mostly hype.
Gluten free range chickens?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:36:15am |
re: #282 Gus
Ah, Venezuela lover. That's typical for him/her.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:37:02am |
re: #286 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Ah, Venezuela lover. That's typical for him/her.
Probably a Pinochet fan.
//
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:37:14am |
re: #281 Expand Your Ground
Whipped cream isn't whipped cream unless it's been whipped with whips. (see 1:00+):
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:38:10am |
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:39:49am |
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:41:19am |
re: #291 Expand Your Ground
I figure that some day we'll be able to "grow" meat in some kind of conscious-less free form. I'm sure the Japanese will be the first. They're already doing this but I don't feel like searching for it right now.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:41:52am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:43:10am |
re: #292 Gus
I figure that some day we'll be able to "grow" meat in some kind of conscious-less free form. I'm sure the Japanese will be the first. They're already doing this but I don't feel like searching for it right now.
Which should make it interesting to see whether grown meat will hold to the scifi prediction, namely that it is nowhere near as appetizing as the real thing because of something unique to raising live animals.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:43:49am |
re: #292 Gus
I figure that some day we'll be able to "grow" meat in some kind of conscious-less free form. I'm sure the Japanese will be the first. They're already doing this but I don't feel like searching for it right now.
IIRC they're making it from shit.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:43:51am |
re: #292 Gus
I figure that some day we'll be able to "grow" meat in some kind of conscious-less free form. I'm sure the Japanese will be the first. They're already doing this but I don't feel like searching for it right now.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:44:40am |
re: #294 Targetpractice
Which should make it interesting to see whether grown meat will hold to the scifi prediction, namely that it is nowhere near as appetizing as the real thing because of something unique to raising live animals.
It wouldn't taste the same I'm sure. As long as it tastes good would count and as form of concentrated protein with reduced environmental impact and efficiency of production.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:46:21am |
re: #297 Gus
Can't be too picky in a world with 20 billion people. Unless soylent green is an appealing perspective.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:46:23am |
re: #294 Targetpractice
Which should make it interesting to see whether grown meat will hold to the scifi prediction, namely that it is nowhere near as appetizing as the real thing because of something unique to raising live animals.
Robbie would beg to differ.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:47:01am |
re: #294 Targetpractice
Which should make it interesting to see whether grown meat will hold to the scifi prediction, namely that it is nowhere near as appetizing as the real thing because of something unique to raising live animals.
Who would be able to tell the difference if it were used for Jack-in the-Box taco filling?
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allegro Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:47:10am |
re: #263 Obdicut
Which, by the way, is one of the chief hypocrisies of many environmentalists: pet ownership.
How is it hypocritical?
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:47:22am |
As long as the lab meat is grown with actual muscle cells from the animal it's meant to replicate, I don't see how it's possible to be any more gross than current processed meat industry practices. And just think of the advertising jingle possibilities:
Lab-grown meat,
High-tech treat,
Test tube products you can eat!
:)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:48:11am |
re: #293 Decatur Deb
What's the point of a boneless chicken ranch?
That's where Chicken McNuggets come from.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:48:25am |
re: #298 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Can't be too picky in a world with 20 billion people. Unless soylent green is an appealing perspective.
That's just it. Right now it's at 7 billion.
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:49:09am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:49:19am |
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:49:34am |
re: #302 Interesting Times
As long as the lab meat is grown with actual muscle cells from the animal it's meant to replicate, I don't see how it's possible to be any more gross than current processed meat industry practices. And just think of the advertising jingle possibilities:
Lab-grown meat,
High-tech treat,
Test tube products you can eat!:)
I suppose we should ask the Catholic Church for their opinion on this first.
//
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:49:36am |
re: #253 lawhawk
Read an article today notes the kerfuffle of using ammonia in making pink slime, but fact is that ammonia is critical in baking and chocolate processing for reaching the appropriate ph levels and consistency. By itself it's just another chemical product, but when people start to realize how food production really occurs and what's going into the food, they are getting a glimpse into how far removed food production is from what's actually grown/raised. It might spur some people to eat local, but a sustained outcry might get companies to reduce/alter/shift chemical usage in some processes and I think that once the pink slime outcry dies down, folks will go back to their old ways and not pay attention to what they're eating (or how it's made).
It's really what the Food Network should be doing instead of shows about cakes. I started watching cooking shows from the UK years ago and they do a great job of raising awareness on food issues in an entertaining and informative way. The Brits have been talking about "pink slime" for years although they called it "reclaimed meat".
In case anyone's looking for a good cooking show from the UK The F Word (Gordon Ramsay) is available on Hulu. It's a few years old but it's a really good series.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:50:11am |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
That's where Chicken McNuggets come from.
Different Chicken Ranch:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:52:21am |
Who are we to laugh at the chicken? After all they've done for us.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:52:42am |
If I could vote, I would vote for the skinny guy!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:52:45am |
re: #308 Killgore Trout
It's really what the Food Network should be doing instead of shows about cakes. I started watching cooking shows from the UK years ago and they do a great job of raising awareness on food issues in an entertaining and informative way. The Brits have been talking about "pink slime" for years although they called it "reclaimed meat".
In case anyone's looking for a good cooking show from the UK The F Word (Gordon Ramsay) is available on Hulu. It's a few years old but it's a really good series.
Since there's a lot of profanity it does require registration to watch. Check Bugmenot - dot - com for a free password.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:52:45am |
Somebody make a Page, I gotta fix a bike:
Gingrich group files for bankruptcy
In another black eye for Newt Gingrich, the flagship of what's known in Washington as "Newt, Inc.," has filed for bankruptcy.
In a Chapter 7 filing in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Northern District of Georgia, The Gingrich Group LLC, doing business as the Center for Health Transformation, filed for bankruptcy Wednesday.
The vast majority of Gingrich's net worth is tied up in the Gingrich Group. Gingrich is worth overall between $7.1 million and $31 million, according to his financial disclosure. He lists a promissory note from Gingrich Group as being worth between $5 million and $25 million. Gingrich was chairman of the group until May of last year, when he announced he was running for president.
[...]
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:55:08am |
re: #300 Expand Your Ground
If you're getting your food from a caulk gun contraption, there's probably something wrong (see Taco Bell, et. seq.)
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:55:16am |
re: #301 allegro
How is it hypocritical?
Pets consume a lot of resources. A dog consumes as much in resources per year as a car.
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Interesting Times Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:55:50am |
GOP insisting it does not have a problem with women, and they shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about such things.— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) April 5, 2012
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:56:30am |
re: #315 Obdicut
But my car doesn't leave turds around the house.
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tomg51spence Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:56:33am |
Yes, I'm late and slow...
Thanks for ocean the video link, Charles. Love it!
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allegro Thu, Apr 5, 2012 8:59:24am |
re: #315 Obdicut
Pets consume a lot of resources. A dog consumes as much in resources per year as a car.
I would need citations for that but even if true, how is it hypocritical? All living creatures require resources. It's how those resources are managed that are concerns among environmentalists. Unless there is some other underlying premise in your argument with regards to what species have more rights or not to utilizing resources, I'm not seeing an argument supporting hypocrisy.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:00:09am |
PETA objects to glue traps for rat
Douglas County Attorney Don Kleine is accustomed to people making the argument that the death penalty is cruel and unusual.
Just not in this form.After a World-Herald article detailed courthouse workers' use of glue traps to try to ensnare a rat that had taken up residence in prosecutors' offices, PETA sent Kleine an email Tuesday in protest.
It reads a bit like a defense attorney's brief against capital punishment.
"Glue traps are extremely cruel," wrote Kristin Simon of the Cruelty Investigations Department of the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
Kleine — who until this week hadn't seen a rat in his more than 30 years in the Douglas County Courthouse — referred the case to building officials, who say they will take PETA's advice under consideration for the next rat they spot.
The PETA email is the latest development in the rat tale — a tale that has had more plot twists than the movie "Ratatouille."
Prosecutors working Sunday spotted the rat ducking into Deputy County Attorney Jim Masteller's office. After one prosecutor entered with a bat drawn, the rat hid. Prosecutors closed Masteller's door and went back to work.
Masteller arrived Monday to find his office in a bit of disarray. Blinds were broken, a file was nibbled, a cough drop was chewed, and rat droppings dotted two corners.
Courthouse workers laid the glue traps, putting candy bar pieces in the middle.
The rat didn't take long to take the bait. Shortly after the office emptied at 5 p.m. Monday, a prosecutor saw the rat tiptoe toward the bait.
The prosecutor raced down a hallway and jumped on the front desk. She told two other prosecutors about the rat sighting. Trailing behind them, she hopped in an office chair and rolled toward Masteller's office with her feet up, just in case the rat was wandering the hallways.
By the time prosecutor Jeff Lux arrived, the rat was caught on the glue trap. Lux asked his colleagues if he should finish it off. They protested.
The prosecutors closed Masteller's door. They called building commission staff, who called in the building's cleaners. Cleaners disposed of the rat and may have inadvertently thrown away a bag that contained property from a murder case.
Some prosecutors noted that at least the rat had a last meal.
PETA was not amused.
LOL!
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:00:16am |
re: #319 Gus
Women, caterpillars. Whatever.
//
What a fucking idiot.
Republicans are such crybabies for complaining that people are actually calling them out on their heinous anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority positions.
If you're going to vote bigot, at least grow a fucking pair and own up to it.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:02:28am |
re: #322 iossarian
What a fucking idiot.
Republicans are such crybabies for complaining that people are actually calling them out on their heinous anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority positions.
If you're going to vote bigot, at least grow a fucking pair and own up to it.
Little known fact. If you devowel the name Reince Priebus you get RNC PR BS.
//
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:03:19am |
re: #315 Obdicut
Pets consume a lot of resources. A dog consumes as much in resources per year as a car.
Are you referring to this data?
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:04:01am |
Say what?
Surgery bans elderly patient over her carbon footprint
Avril Mulcahy, 83, was told to address the “green travelling issues” over her journeys from her home in Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex, to the West Road Surgery. The surgery wrote to Mrs Mulcahy, telling her to register with a new GP within 28 days.
The letter said: “Our greatest concern is for your health and convenience but also taking into consideration green travelling issues. Re: Carbon footprints and winter weather conditions, we feel it would be advisable for patients to register at surgeries nearer to where they live.
"We would be very grateful if you could make the necessary arrangements to re-register at another practice.”
Mrs Mulcahy, a grandmother, believes the decision was made because she complained about a doctor.
“When I read through the letter, I found it absolutely ridiculous they were saying the reason was to decrease their carbon footprint,” she said. “I have been a patient at the practice for 30 years now, and there has never been any problem.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:05:37am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:08:21am |
re: #201 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
No, only if you have a probable cause to believe that somebody may have something that won't be discovered by a thorough patdown. Which there was none in this case, since this guy was obviously a respectable businessman who was mighty unlikely to have anything in his ass or under his balls. Also, if the sentence above is true, then yes, it implies strip-searches for everyone.
Daughter 1 teaches rapists, murderers, and gang-bangers in a 'youth' jail. The whole argument is kind of silly since the inmates all are changed out completely into orange jumpsuits, after sitting a day in observation cells in underwear-only as an anti-suicide measure.
Put me down as pro-stripsearch--it's the least of the indignities on the menu.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:08:34am |
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:10:19am |
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:10:55am |
re: #329 Gus
Probably some weird squabble they're having from what I read in another site. Squabble or more like a fight of sorts. So the doctor's office came up with some weird lame ass excuse.
Or possibly it's a form letter that the NHS uses when advising people to switch to surgeries nearer their homes?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:11:26am |
re: #330 iossarian
ENVIROMENTALIST BABY-FISTER LEFTIES KILL GRANDMA
The only solution is to burn as much coal as possible, until the Earth is hotter than Venus.
Yes, that is exactly what she wants. Brilliant! She's faking an illness!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:12:01am |
re: #317 Tommy's cone of shame
I'll just say I will certainly pay no attention whatsoever to the idea that pet ownership is antithetical or hypocritical for a environmentalist. I think it's motivated by a desire by extreme environmental advocates to guilt trip punish us into reducing our footprint. Some advocates just lose all sight of reality to make a point.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:12:26am |
re: #320 allegro
I would need citations for that
Common sense should be a good citation. Dogs, while varying in size, are high-metabilism predators that need meat products.
but even if true, how is it hypocritical?
Because pet ownership is something you can choose not to do so as to consume resources, and it's purely for the pleasure of the person owning the pet-- with rare exceptions for working dogs, which aren't really pets.
All living creatures require resources.
True, but, so what?
It's how those resources are managed that are concerns among environmentalists.
I know. And I'm making the point that using up a lot of resources so people can feel nice about owning a pet and get the happiness and petting and love that comes from a pet, should be a concern to enviromentalists. It's a lot of resources being used for what's basically a morale boost.
Unless there is some other underlying premise in your argument with regards to what species have more rights or not to utilizing resources, I'm not seeing an argument supporting hypocrisy.
I'm not making any sort of argument about species having more or less rights though, at all.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:12:35am |
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:12:59am |
re: #331 iossarian
Or possibly it's a form letter that the NHS uses when advising people to switch to surgeries nearer their homes?
Wouldn't make sense because she's a mile away. They have a "copy" of the letter there which look "unique." Yes, it's the Daily Mail! ;)
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:13:07am |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, that is exactly what she wants. Brilliant! She's faking an illness!
Sigh. I was referring to the Telegraph/Mail/Right-wing's unerring ability to take any story that has a vague connection to greenhouse gas emissions and turn it into "WHY BURNING LESS COAL MEANS YOUR GRANDMA WILL DIE".
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:13:33am |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, that is exactly what she wants. Brilliant! She's faking an illness!
She didn't. But if you're not saying you posted this in order to show that environmentalism has gone wild, that's cool! ;)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:13:35am |
re: #331 iossarian
Or possibly it's a form letter that the NHS uses when advising people to switch to surgeries nearer their homes?
A form letter that says this?:
Re carbon footprints and winter weather conditions, we feel it would be advisable for patients to register at surgeries nearer to where they live.
We would be very grateful if you could make the necessary arrangements to re-register at another practice.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:14:13am |
re: #339 NJDhockeyfan
A form letter that says this?:
With signatures from 5 doctors? Something's weird here.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:14:22am |
re: #333 Daniel Ballard
I'm not an extremist environmentalist, though.
It's simply true that pets consume resources. It's also true that pets don't 'do' anything except make our lives happier.
Am I suggesting we all go euthanize our pets tomorrow? Obviously not. But it's a good thing to consider, when decided to buy an extra dog or an extra cat, that you're going to be devoted resources to that pet for a long time.
That's all. It's not some crazy wild-ass environmental position. Just one about thinking of the consequences of your actions.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:17:00am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:17:06am |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
Excellent list, bookmarked. I'm trying to balance value return with taste, but my wife is constantly telling me I have no idea of what things cost in the supermarket.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:17:09am |
re: #341 Obdicut
Well you certainly have a far more reasonable proposition than those scientists who titled their work "Time To Eat The Dog". Every creature consumes resources. If we did not have dogs and cats they would exist in the wild anyway.
Once we make an honest effort to reduce and recycle, we are past these claims of hypocrisy.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18:12am |
re: #338 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
She didn't. But if you're not saying you posted this in order to show that environmentalism has gone wild, that's cool! ;)
No, I posted it because it's a stupid fucking decision. She lives a mile away?
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18:31am |
re: #339 NJDhockeyfan
A form letter that says this?:
An old lady has been asked by her local surgery to look for a different one. She says this is because she made a complaint about a doctor.
Westcliff-on-Sea is essentially part of Southend-on-Sea. There are probably a dozen surgeries in town at least. The letter looks like it's a cooked-up excuse, sure.
Now tell me this: why is this national news?
My hypothesis: because it allows the Telegraph to trumpet LIMITING CARBON EMISSIONS WILL KILL GRANNY. Do you have a different one?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:19:26am |
re: #342 Gus
[Link: en.rian.ru...]
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:19:32am |
re: #346 NJDhockeyfan
No, I posted it because it's a stupid fucking decision. She lives a mile away?
I'm sure that the decision was reversed from higher up the NHS food chain. They'd have to since it sounds like that office fabricated an excuse to dump her for complaining.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:20:01am |
re: #342 Gus
I knew they would get around to that some day. I like the word 'psychotronic', might suggest it as a band name. "Psychotronic Zombies and the Brainzz", has a nice ring to it.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:20:28am |
re: #347 iossarian
An old lady has been asked by her local surgery to look for a different one. She says this is because she made a complaint about a doctor.
Westcliff-on-Sea is essentially part of Southend-on-Sea. There are probably a dozen surgeries in town at least. The letter looks like it's a cooked-up excuse, sure.
Now tell me this: why is this national news?
My hypothesis: because it allows the Telegraph to trumpet LIMITING CARBON EMISSIONS WILL KILL GRANNY. Do you have a different one?
Well of course that's why. I mean, it's the Torygraph and I'd expect nothing less from them.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:20:44am |
re: #350 Gus
I'm sure that the decision was reversed from higher up the NHS food chain. They'd have to since it sounds like that office fabricated an excuse to dump her for complaining.
I hope so. At least now that the story is in the UK press they would certainly have to change their minds.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:20:57am |
re: #345 Daniel Ballard
Well you certainly have a far more reasonable proposition than those scientists who titled their work "Time To Eat The Dog". Every creature consumes resources. If we did not have dogs and cats they would exist in the wild anyway.
Exisiting in the wild, in a stable ecosystem, is entirely different than existing inside our unsustainable system, though.
Once we make an honest effort to reduce and recycle, we are past these claims of hypocrisy.
I don't agree. I also don't think hypocrisy is some ultimate evil the way a lot of others seem to, though. Most people are hypocritical in a lot of ways. The best thing to do is to recognize it and think about it and see if there's a way clear to improving the situation, not revolutionary change overnight.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:21:27am |
re: #352 Simply Sarah
Well of course that's why. I mean, it's the Torygraph and I'd expect nothing less from them.
It's in a bunch of UK papers.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:21:30am |
re: #341 Obdicut
I'm not an extremist environmentalist, though.
It's simply true that pets consume resources. It's also true that pets don't 'do' anything except make our lives happier.
Am I suggesting we all go euthanize our pets tomorrow? Obviously not. But it's a good thing to consider, when decided to buy an extra dog or an extra cat, that you're going to be devoted resources to that pet for a long time.
That's all. It's not some crazy wild-ass environmental position. Just one about thinking of the consequences of your actions.
My dog does several things--he's Chief of Security, allowing me to keep my guns unloaded, and go about without a CCW. He also manages the wildlife that would otherwise eat my garden.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:22:25am |
I thought that all UK papers are like tabloids? The British invented the genre. So it's kind of difficult to take seriously at times and easy to ignore.
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:22:28am |
re: #353 NJDhockeyfan
I hope so. At least now that the story is in the UK press they would certainly have to change their minds.
I look forward to the Telegraph championing every single UK pensioner who gets pushed out of their NHS surgery for some reason, regardless of whether their ousting letter mentions greenhouse gas emissions.
They may have to print a special supplement!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:22:36am |
re: #344 Decatur Deb
Excellent list, bookmarked. I'm trying to balance value return with taste, but my wife is constantly telling me I have no idea of what things cost in the supermarket.
It's not surprising to see herbs near the top of the list. Grocery store prices are insane. My situation is a bit different because I grow a lot of stuff you just can't buy in the grocery store. You just can't put a price on a fresh organic Grey Shallot. I've never even seen Salsify in a grocery store.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:22:52am |
re: #354 Obdicut
Exisiting in the wild, in a stable ecosystem, is entirely different than existing inside our unsustainable system, though.
I don't agree. I also don't think hypocrisy is some ultimate evil the way a lot of others seem to, though. Most people are hypocritical in a lot of ways. The best thing to do is to recognize it and think about it and see if there's a way clear to improving the situation, not revolutionary change overnight.
Agreed. I'm a huge hypocrite. I openly admit it. I don't much like it. I do my best to change it and I'm better than I used to be, but, like anyone, I still have plenty of room for improvement.
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:24:01am |
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:24:08am |
re: #356 Decatur Deb
Sure, you can make exceptions for 'working dogs' and even stretch it a little. But most people 'just' have pets for pleasure and companionship.
I'm not saying people are big terrible assholes for owning pets. I own two cats. I'm saying that it's something to think about and consider, and a lot of people who label themselves as environmentalists do only very cursory examinations of their actual resource usage, and pet ownership is one of the larger things that tends to get left out.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:26:22am |
re: #363 Obdicut
Sure, you can make exceptions for 'working dogs' and even stretch it a little. But most people 'just' have pets for pleasure and companionship.
I'm not saying people are big terrible assholes for owning pets. I own two cats. I'm saying that it's something to think about and consider, and a lot of people who label themselves as environmentalists do only very cursory examinations of their actual resource usage, and pet ownership is one of the larger things that tends to get left out.
I think a strong hypothetical would be the person that scolds people for having two cars/driving, but owns 14 dog, 8 cats, and a pair of rabbits.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:27:19am |
re: #364 Gus
Here's the clinic:
Call 'em and verify. ;)
Just make sure to have them reverse the charges.
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allegro Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:28:08am |
re: #360 Simply Sarah
Agreed. I'm a huge hypocrite. I openly admit it. I don't much like it. I do my best to change it and I'm better than I used to be, but, like anyone, I still have plenty of room for improvement.
I think the word "hypocrisy" is being used incorrectly, IMO. Hypocrisy is "do what I say, not what I do." One can be an environmentalist and seek to improve the sustainability of our resource management and still partake of those resources necessarily without being a hypocrite. We live in a society that gives us few choices, for example, on where and how we get our energy and how we obtain food. We can make personal choices as wisely and informatively as possible but unless we just lie down and die, we must use needed resources to survive.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:28:41am |
Keep in mind too that she wasn't denied "surgery" either. That's just the name of the clinic.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:30:08am |
re: #367 allegro
unless we just lie down and die, we must use needed resources to survive.
But this is not Obdi's point. You don't need a pet to survive.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:30:41am |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
Oh yeah, there's my chives, there we go. It's a real bummer from November to early March while they are dormant, and we don't have any.
I don't see Blueberries, though. You can have my blueberry bushes when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
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allegro Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:30:48am |
re: #369 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
But this is not Obdi's point. You don't need a pet to survive.
Really? How do you know what other people need?
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:31:40am |
re: #368 Gus
Keep in mind too that she wasn't denied "surgery" either. That's just the name of the clinic.
UK terminology for a GP practice/office.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:31:50am |
re: #371 allegro
Really? How do you know what other people need?
?
Who needs a pet to survive? Not a working dog for a blind man or something like that. A pet.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:31:54am |
re: #367 allegro
I think the word "hypocrisy" is being used incorrectly, IMO. Hypocrisy is "do what I say, not what I do." One can be an environmentalist and seek to improve the sustainability of our resource management and still partake of those resources necessarily without being a hypocrite. We live in a society that gives us few choices, for example, on where and how we get our energy and how we obtain food. We can make personal choices as wisely and informatively as possible but unless we just lie down and die, we must use needed resources to survive.
Granted, but what Obdi is saying that when someone attacks another for spending X amount of resources on something that person enjoys, but doesn't need, then turns around and spends X amount of resources on something they enjoy but don't need, it's hypocritical.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:34:36am |
re: #373 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
?
How does need a pet to survive? Not a working dog for a blind man or something like that. A pet.
So we're excluding:
Seeing-eye dogs
Dogs trained for other disabilities (epilepsy, autism, etc.)
Cadaver dogs
Search and rescue dogs
Farm dogs such as shepherd dogs
K9 police dogs
Bomb sniffers
Hmmm. There's a species missing here. Where are the cats?
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:35:07am |
re: #374 Simply Sarah
Granted, but what Obdi is saying that when someone attacks another for spending X amount of resources on something that person enjoys, but doesn't need, then turns around and spends X amount of resources on something they enjoy but don't need, it's hypocritical.
Right, and I think the non-hypocritical environmentalist stance is to try to figure out agreed limits on resource consumption, so that people can have roughly equal opportunities to enjoy the things they want to enjoy without collectively screwing up the planet for future generations.
Of course, it doesn't hurt to try to live somewhat within those limits even before an agreement is forthcoming.
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Targetpractice Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:35:20am |
re: #373 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
?
Who needs a pet to survive? Not a working dog for a blind man or something like that. A pet.
My three cats are the only thing that keep my blood pressure low enough not to go on a shooting spree.
///
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:35:52am |
re: #375 Mostly sane, most of the time.
So we're excluding:
Seeing-eye dogs
Dogs trained for other disabilities (epilepsy, autism, etc.)
Cadaver dogs
Search and rescue dogs
Farm dogs such as shepherd dogs
K9 police dogs
Bomb sniffersHmmm. There's a species missing here. Where are the cats?
Well, that's just further proof that cats are evil.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:36:35am |
re: #375 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Sure. A working animal can be a friend, but obviously the argument is not about them but about pure pets.
It's ridiculous on its face to demand proof that somebody can't survive without a pet. "Really?" Hmpph.
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allegro Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:37:17am |
re: #373 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
?
How does need a pet to survive? Not a working dog for a blind man or something like that. A pet.
Yeah, a pet. My dogs get me out of bed in the morning. Without them I would have little reason or incentive to do so. My beloved Sheltie, best friend, and protector quite literally saved my life after my husband's death. He kept me alive when I didn't give a shit about living any longer and stopped me from taking steps to amend that situation.
I could go on. I am not alone. Pets add great value and health benefits for which there are hundreds of supportive studies.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:38:44am |
re: #380 allegro
Because you already had pets. That's not something you plan for when you buy one.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:38:52am |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
I grow peppers, tomatoes, cukes, and eggplant, plus herbs like thyme, cilantro, oregano, and a couple types of mint. The costs for the herbs is minimal since most will reseed or are perennials, and I figure that the costs are worth it to have tasty peppers and tomatoes even if the work/costs are higher (which they're not!). So, that list does more to verify that I'm doing the right thing by growing my own - it means I can expand things a little (if I can find sunny spots elsewhere in my garden to grow 'em).
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:39:29am |
re: #370 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Oh yeah, there's my chives, there we go. It's a real bummer from November to early March while they are dormant, and we don't have any.
I don't see Blueberries, though. You can have my blueberry bushes when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
You can dig up some chives, put them in a pot and bring them inside for the winter. They do pretty well as a house plant.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:41:01am |
Not to belabor this but here's a normal paper covering this:
Patient’s dismay at being thrown out of GP practice
...
The West Road Surgery declined to comment.
Andrew Stride, head of governance, risk and customer services for NHS South Essex, said: “We would advise all patients who have concerns about any aspect of local NHS care to contact the Patient Advice and Liaison Service on 0800 5879159 for help and advice.
“While we are unable to comment on individual cases, we would like to assure patients there is a procedure GP practices need to follow before they can remove patients from their lists.”
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:41:23am |
re: #380 allegro
Yeah, a pet. My dogs get me out of bed in the morning. Without them I would have little reason or incentive to do so. My beloved Sheltie, best friend, and protector quite literally saved my life after my husband's death. He kept me alive when I didn't give a shit about living any longer and stopped me from taking steps to amend that situation.
I could go on. I am not alone. Pets add great value and health benefits for which there are hundreds of supportive studies.
Sure, and there's nothing wrong with owning a pet. Again, at least my reading of Obdi's point is just that you still need to count the costs of a pet. You can't just exempt them from having an environment impact because they're alive and friendly and loving and cuddly.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:41:49am |
re: #380 allegro
Yeah, a pet. My dogs get me out of bed in the morning. Without them I would have little reason or incentive to do so. My beloved Sheltie, best friend, and protector quite literally saved my life after my husband's death. He kept me alive when I didn't give a shit about living any longer and stopped me from taking steps to amend that situation.
I could go on. I am not alone. Pets add great value and health benefits for which there are hundreds of supportive studies.
Absolutely. If people want pets and will do a good job taking care of them, that's great. I'm very against animal abuse and neglect. We've domesticated dogs and cats to the point that they must live in tandem with humans, so we are now responsible for them.
I think the point is that environmentalists should take them into account the way they would count, say, computers. My husband has been one with the computer world since he was a boy. When his mother would go to the fabric store, he would slip next door to the computer store, and just wander around so he could touch the computers and look at them.
Count them both.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:41:51am |
re: #382 lawhawk
I grow peppers, tomatoes, cukes, and eggplant, plus herbs like thyme, cilantro, oregano, and a couple types of mint. The costs for the herbs is minimal since most will reseed or are perennials, and I figure that the costs are worth it to have tasty peppers and tomatoes even if the work/costs are higher (which they're not!). So, that list does more to verify that I'm doing the right thing by growing my own - it means I can expand things a little (if I can find sunny spots elsewhere in my garden to grow 'em).
I'm really looking forward to growing reliable crops of tomatoes and peppers in my greenhouse. Here in Portland it's really tough to grow peppers because our growing season is so short. It's been two years since I've had ripe tomatoes in the garden the weather has been shit.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:42:27am |
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:43:33am |
It's laughable that Santorum's calling on Gingrich to bow out of the race. Both are toast - and Santorum wont even win his home state of PA based on the latest polling data.
As I've been saying for months now, Romney will be the nominee. However, Santorum and Gingrich have exposed the ugly truths about the GOP's ongoing socon, anti-science and anti-women agenda is all the more reason to keep them both in there.
Oh, and the schadenfreude of knowing that Gingrich's health think tank has declared bankruptcy - like the ideas he (and the think tank) represents.
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allegro Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:45:00am |
re: #385 Simply Sarah
Sure, and there's nothing wrong with owning a pet. Again, at least my reading of Obdi's point is just that you still need to count the costs of a pet. You can't just exempt them from having an environment impact because they're alive and friendly and loving and cuddly.
Obdi's statement was that environmentalists who own pets are hypocrites. Period. We can move the goalposts as desired but that was the statement I was responding to.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:45:51am |
re: #390 allegro
Obdi's statement was that environmentalists who own pets are hypocrites. Period. We can move the goalposts as desired but that was the statement I was responding to.
Fair enough. I'm not attempting to move the goalposts, I'm just trying to state my take on it all.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:46:54am |
re: #382 lawhawk
I grow peppers, tomatoes, cukes, and eggplant, plus herbs like thyme, cilantro, oregano, and a couple types of mint. The costs for the herbs is minimal since most will reseed or are perennials, and I figure that the costs are worth it to have tasty peppers and tomatoes even if the work/costs are higher (which they're not!). So, that list does more to verify that I'm doing the right thing by growing my own - it means I can expand things a little (if I can find sunny spots elsewhere in my garden to grow 'em).
We grow all the main herbs in a small spot. Just a plant or two of each. Enough to step out for a little basil or thyme or parsley or mint, or whatever is called for by dinner.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:48:18am |
re: #393 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
We grow all the main herbs in a small spot. Just a plant or two of each. Enough to step out for a little basil or thyme or parsley or mint, or whatever is called for by dinner.
Mint is evil. Keep mint in a container, or you will regret it.
Mint is the Borg of the herb kingdom.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:48:23am |
re: #388 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Meanwhile the Pirate Party, which is enjoying a great deal of political success in Germany (recently elected to two state legislatures) is holding a protest against the antiquated law in Germany that forbids public dancing on Good Friday.
We were performing Irish music in a bar on a Good Friday, and warned the people not to get up and dance to any of the jigs and reels we were playing. Then we played a Scottish march and told them that as far as we know, marching is allowed in Germany 365 days a year...
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:49:07am |
re: #393 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
We grow all the main herbs in a small spot. Just a plant or two of each. Enough to step out for a little basil or thyme or parsley or mint, or whatever is called for by dinner.
So it's your Just in Thyme garden.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:49:56am |
re: #390 allegro
Obdi's statement was that environmentalists who own pets are hypocrites. Period. We can move the goalposts as desired but that was the statement I was responding to.
No, not period. I also said that I don't consider hypocrisy to be this giant black and white deal that some people do, where if you're a hypocrite at all you're a terrible person.
I do think that many environmentalists have a shallow and hypocritical approach to environmentalism.
And I'm not denying that pets have benefits for their owners. That's a large part of my point. They're 'for' us, and they should be included in any calculation of our resource usage, along with everything else we consume.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:50:20am |
All this talk of gardening reminds me I need to check the bulk bins at the grocery store. I'm going to expand my plot of borlotti beans .Beans are cheap but cooking them fresh instead of dried is really a special treat.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:50:30am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
We had such a weird growing season last year in NYC metro. Stuff was growing until the end of October.
The USDA has issued new zone charts with added and adjusted ranges. We're now in Zone 7a. We used to be Zone 6.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:50:47am |
Here ya go:
Police Draw Guns On African-American Baseball Player Outside His Home
Torii Hunter, an All-Star centerfielder for Major League Baseball’s Los Angeles Angels, had an awkward run-in with local police officers outside his Newport, California home Wednesday night after his home security system malfunctioned. Twenty minutes after the alarm went off, Hunter saw police outside his house and walked outside, only to see police draw their weapons and ask him for his ID because “they didn’t believe” he lived there, Hunter tweeted...
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:51:44am |
re: #400 Gus
Here ya go:
Police Draw Guns On African-American Baseball Player Outside His Home
Now, now. They were just Tori hunting. Nothing to see here.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:52:10am |
re: #397 Obdicut
No, not period. I also said that I don't consider hypocrisy to be this giant black and white deal that some people do, where if you're a hypocrite at all you're a terrible person.
I do think that many environmentalists have a shallow and hypocritical approach to environmentalism.
And I'm not denying that pets have benefits for their owners. That's a large part of my point. They're 'for' us, and they should be included in any calculation of our resource usage, along with everything else we consume.
I think just about everyone practices an unwitting, unintentional form of hypocrisy. Part of it just how we place our priorities without realizing that we've done it.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:52:21am |
But...
The cops that were here today had there guns drawn but pointed downward in for safety. Those guys handled the situation like trained cops.— Torii Hunter (@toriihunter48) April 5, 2012
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iossarian Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:52:49am |
re: #384 Gus
Not to belabor this but here's a normal paper covering this:
I have no problem with that article. There's no screaming headline, and the content makes it clear that she thinks the "green travelling" claim is ridiculous (which it is) but that it's a fabrication.
Now contrast that with the Telegraph treatment, which has the green issue right in the headline, essentially claiming that she was pushed out because of that, even though what she says makes it clear that it's just a made-up pretext.
So I stand by my original criticism: papers like the Telegraph and the Mail (and outlets such as Fox News here) simply distort stories to fit their "EMISSION REGULATION WILL KILL YOUR GRANDMA" hysteria, which supports the mission of their backers to eliminate any form of pollution regulation that might hurt their short-term profit margins.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:52:59am |
Douchebag alert...
PM slams author Grass for 'ignorant' Israel slurs
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu slammed German Nobel Prize winning author Günter Grass on Thursday, saying his "shameful" moral equivalence between Iran and Israel says more about Grass, than it does about Israel.
It is rare for Netanyahu to react to anti-Semitic and virulently anti-Israel statements made abroad, but this time he felt it necessary considering Grass' high profile and hidden Nazi past, a government official said.
"It is Iran, not Israel, that is a threat to the peace and security of the world," Netanyahu said. "It is Iran, not Israel that threatens other states with annihilation. It is Iran, not Israel that supports terror organizations that fire rockets on innocent civilians. It is Iran, not Israel that is supporting the Syrian regime's massacre of its own people. It is Iran, not Israel that stones women, hangs gays and brutally represses tens of millions of its own citizens."
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:53:06am |
re: #401 Simply Sarah
Now, now. They were just Tori hunting. Nothing to see here.
"Be vewwy quiet. I'm wacially pwofiling!"
(copped from last Today Show)
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:56:15am |
re: #388 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
Revolution has failed.
Give it another 20-30 years, and no tourism dollars, and another one will occur.
Egypt is already in a worse position than Iran was economically in 1979. So, it will likely not take as long for dysfunction to occur.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:57:36am |
re: #394 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Mint is evil. Keep mint in a container, or you will regret it.
Mint is the Borg of the herb kingdom.
Yes I know, although if it is one plant in a small spot tended frequently it's not a problem.
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:57:55am |
re: #405 iossarian
I have no problem with that article. There's no screaming headline, and the content makes it clear that she thinks the "green travelling" claim is ridiculous (which it is) but that it's a fabrication.
Now contrast that with the Telegraph treatment, which has the green issue right in the headline, essentially claiming that she was pushed out because of that, even though what she says makes it clear that it's just a made-up pretext.
So I stand by my original criticism: papers like the Telegraph and the Mail (and outlets such as Fox News here) simply distort stories to fit their "EMISSION REGULATION WILL KILL YOUR GRANDMA" hysteria, which supports the mission of their backers to eliminate any form of pollution regulation that might hurt their short-term profit margins.
Yeah. It easily becomes this "ALGORE AND GLOBAL WARMING!!!" plus "OBAMACARE WILL KEEL YOU!!!" meme.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:58:18am |
re: #406 NJDhockeyfan
Side note: in the article to which this article links we see this gem of historical ignorance:
Grass, who revealed in 2006 that he had been a member of the Nazi Waffen- SS, a group designed to exclusively eliminate European Jewry during WWII,
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:59:39am |
Patrick Greene, Longtime Atheist Activist, Announces Conversion To Christianity
Two months after he threatened to sue a Texas county for allowing a Nativity scene on public property, longtime atheist Patrick Greene has announced that he is not only converting to Christianity, but also plans to become a pastor, the Christian Post reports.
Derp! Whatever. That's nice.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:00:30am |
re: #412 Gus
Patrick Greene, Longtime Atheist Activist, Announces Conversion To Christianity
Derp! Whatever. That's nice.
I suspect that was the plan all along.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:00:35am |
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:00:48am |
re: #413 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
I suspect that was the plan all along.
Thought about that.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:01:38am |
re: #411 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
Side note: in the article to which this article links we see this gem of historical ignorance:
That was an enormous scandal when it came out. But then again, the Daily Mail made a point of recalling Pope Benedict's time as a Hitler Youth. Grass was drafted into the Waffen SS as a teenager and served at the front in a combat unit.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:01:41am |
re: #413 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
I suspect that was the plan all along.
But that's just my paranoid side. Maybe he really is just an ailing confused guy.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:01:57am |
re: #413 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
I suspect that was the plan all along.
Do you mean to cash in on this, or out of a bizarre thought that this will somehow discredit atheists and provide support for religion?
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:02:21am |
re: #417 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
But that's just my paranoid side. Maybe he really is just an ailing confused guy.
That was my main thought. Death bed conversions and all that jazz.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:02:27am |
re: #416 Expand Your Ground
The point is that Waffen-SS was not "a group designed to exclusively eliminate European Jewry during WWII".
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:04:55am |
re: #418 Obdicut
Do you mean to cash in on this, or out of a bizarre thought that this will somehow discredit atheists and provide support for religion?
Sorta, pretend that you're that super-atheist, then suddenly say you've been converted. Profit!
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Gus Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:05:09am |
Memo to all Atheists
From: Atheist Council of Spaghetti Westerns
You are allowed to convert to Christianity or any religion of your choosing if you so desire.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:06:02am |
Cue the wingnut head explosions:
EA defends itself against thousands of anti-gay letters
"Every one of EA's games includes ESRB content descriptors so it's hard to believe anyone is surprised by the content. This isn't about protecting children, it's about political harassment," Jeff Brown, VP of corporate communications told us.
The letters have been directed to EA's executive team, creative heads, its board of directors and just about anyone at a high level. Many of them threaten to boycott EA's titles if the publisher refuses to remove same-sex relationship content.
The letters also infer that EA was pressured by LGBT groups to include homosexual content in its games, and that this content is somehow forced upon children, exposing them to LGBT themes. Of course, those of you reading this already know how ludicrous this is. The games are not for children, nor do they force LGBT content on a player - it's merely an option for gamers who wish to replicate their real-life sexual orientation.
Some of the letters also complain that EA is deliberately deleting posts against LGBT issues on its official forum, which is true when the comments happen to violate discussion rules on hate speech.
"EA has not been pressured by any groups to include LGBT characters in our games. However, we have met with LGBT groups and sponsored industry forums to discuss content and harassment of players in online forums. In short, we do put options for same-sex relationships in our games; we don't tolerate hate speech on our forums," Brown added.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:08:25am |
re: #423 Lidane
Cue the wingnut head explosions:
Look, what they really should be complaining about is how godawful the shoehorned sex scenes in Bioware games are. Like, can they stop trying? Please? I'm not seeing any progress.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:09:42am |
re: #252 NJDhockeyfan
Mario Barry in the news again.
I always recall the story a friend tells about Marion Barry. When he became mayor for whichever time it was, her grandmother called her from her nursing home and yelled down the line "DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR PEOPLE HAVE DONE?"
Thanks, Grandma. Make the voters of DC your granddaughter's responsibility.
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AK-47% Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:10:04am |
re: #420 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
The point is that Waffen-SS was not "a group designed to exclusively eliminate European Jewry during WWII".
This goes back to the time when they were resurrecting the German Army in the 50's: they decided that former regular army oficers would be allowed because they were "just good Germans following orders", but Waffen-SS officers would be excluded, because they were associated with the Einsatz-SS, who were the camp guards and executioners.
But the line between regular army, Waffen-SS and Einsatz-SS was never that clear.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:10:12am |
re: #421 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost
My grandfather knew a con-man-- they met in the army-- who specialized in bilking preachers of a certain type-- the revivalist, faith-healing, etc. kind. My grandfather's 'friend' said that he chose them because he viewed them as con-men of a sick type; those who believed they had the moral right to give people false hope and charge for it. And also because they had lots of money, and were paranoid and tended to fall for con-man schemes to hide their money from taxation and investigation. It used to be more of a scandal to be caught being a rich preacher.
Interesting guy. My grandfather lost touch with him after the war but saw his name in the papers once and identified him as now a Scientologist, which makes a lot of sense.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:10:41am |
At least one Catholic University is flouting the bishops:
Catholic university stands by drag show, despite criticism
The University of San Diego — a Catholic college — is sparking controversy after students announced they would be holding a Drag Show to celebrate equality and LGBT pride. Detractors have described the event as “perversion at its highest level” and called on the organizers to “hang themselves,” but the Catholic university is standing by the event, telling a local NBC affiliate that “it’s about equality” and they approve it.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:11:04am |
re: #424 Simply Sarah
I find it kind of fascinating in a weird way. Like puppetry.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:11:59am |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
PETA objects to glue traps for rat
LOL!
I object to glue traps for anything. Those things are inhumane as hell.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:14:15am |
re: #424 Simply Sarah
Look, what they really should be complaining about is how godawful the shoehorned sex scenes in Bioware games are. Like, can they stop trying? Please? I'm not seeing any progress.
That and how the ending of Mass Effect 3 is apparently the worst thing ever. I haven't played the game, but if the outcry I've been seeing is anything to go by, the ending sucks and has a lot of folks pissed off.
LGBT romance options in a game are not a big deal. The Sims series has had same-sex options in game since the beginning. Who cares?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:16:12am |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
I object to glue traps for anything. Those things are inhumane as hell.
I have them in my house. They aren't catching mice, just little mini grasshopper looking bugs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:17:58am |
re: #357 Gus
I thought that all UK papers are like tabloids? The British invented the genre. So it's kind of difficult to take seriously at times and easy to ignore.
The Times of London resents your suggestion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:20:22am |
re: #388 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
The Brotherhood has never made much of a secret of who they are and what they represent.
It was fashionable in the wake of Mubarak's topple to pretend that somehow they were something different now.
They ain't.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:20:55am |
re: #412 Gus
Patrick Greene, Longtime Atheist Activist, Announces Conversion To Christianity
Derp! Whatever. That's nice.
A little confusing report there. The text says he is converting, but the video commentary says he is not.
I know some people in GA, who are atheists and had a shed fire that burned tools and a generator (frequent power outages there in the woods). They had replacements donated by the local church, which was nice, but nobody but us atheists know they are atheists, for what that is worth.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:21:46am |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
I object to glue traps for anything. Those things are inhumane as hell.
Yes, I used one once. Had to drown the bugger in the toilet. No more.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:25:19am |
re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. I wonder how that will effect the younger generation at the Brotherhood though. I've heard there is a generational divide.
Egypt can kiss the tourism dollars goodbye if they want to go down this road. And since they have a dysfunctional economy otherwise, they will end up in catastrophic poverty.
And eventually, another revolution will happen. Most people tend to forget revolutions can go awry or outright fail. See the French Revolution or the 1848 Revolutions.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:25:55am |
re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist
The Brotherhood has never made much of a secret of who they are and what they represent.
It was fashionable in the wake of Mubarak's topple to pretend that somehow they were something different now.
They ain't.
"Give them a chance!!!" /
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 5, 2012 1:20:49pm |
re: #393 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
We grow all the main herbs in a small spot. Just a plant or two of each. Enough to step out for a little basil or thyme or parsley or mint, or whatever is called for by dinner.
I grew a lot of basil last year, so tried to harvest enough for homemade pesto. Now I'm growing industrial quantities--pesto wants a lot of basil.
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