Final Presidential Debate 2012, Thread Four, Wrap-Up Part 2

Romney chokes
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I was trying to watch the debate and deal with server problems at the same time, but it was very, very obvious that Mitt Romney was way out of his league tonight. You knew he was in serious trouble when those first beads of flop sweat started popping out on his upper lip. He was incoherent, confused, repetitious, and struggled to make simple points, and President Obama schooled him on the facts over and over; when Romney inevitably brought up the mind-bogglingly dumb right wing “apology tour” nonsense, Obama’s response was: “This is the biggest whopper that has been told during this campaign.”

Romney choked, big time, and the President won this debate even more decisively than the last one.

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1 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:12:48pm
Romney choked, big time, and the President won this debate even more decisively than the last one.

Lies! Everyone knows Romney won decisively. Charles Krauthammer said so.

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2 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:13:25pm

Obama did so well that Sullivan put the razor down...

3 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:13:56pm

Yeah, I've been told Willard won because Krauthammer said so, but also because Matthews apparently was critical of the topics not covered, which seems to be "proof" that he didn't think Obama won...somehow.

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:15:08pm

Krauthammer would have said Mitt won even if Mitt went full birther. Krauthammer's a hack. Doesn't care about being honest but more so carrying water for the right.

5 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:16:14pm
6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:17:14pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Nah a farce is Bryan Fischer having any political credibility.

7 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:17:48pm

lololololololololololololololololololol

8 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:18:28pm
9 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:18:43pm

re: #7 JamesWI

lololololololololololololololololololol

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Big win? Well they don't call RNC PR BS for nothing folks.

10 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:20:32pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Big win? Well they don't call RNC PR BS for nothing folks.

Rinsed Prius
OR
Rancid Pubis

Take your pick; the man is delusional.

11 Redmalamute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:20:35pm

I think Romney worn a blue and red striped tie to suggest that, like in Massachusetts, he could work with the "good democrats".

12 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:21:12pm

re: #10 MittDoesNotCompute

Rinsed Prius
OR
Rancid Pubis

Take your pick; the man is delusional.

He's the chairman of the Republican Party. Delusional comes with the job description.

13 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:21:16pm
14 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:21:45pm

Image: scutaroinrain.gif

15 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:21:48pm

re: #8 Gus

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President Obama to Tagg: "I drank your milkshake!"

16 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:21:58pm

CNN finally changed their headline from "Too close to call" to "Poll: Obama gets narrow edge."

So, the new tag-line is "CNN - Slightly less of a fucking joke than we were an hour ago"

18 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:23:09pm

Not that I was ever particularly worried, but Bill "I've Never Been Right About Anything In My Entire Miserable Life" Kristol called the election for Romney after watching the debate, so Obama's got it in the bag.

There's no more solid investment out there than shorting a Kristol prediction.

19 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:26:46pm

Heh:

20 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:27:00pm

re: #10 MittDoesNotCompute

Rinsed Prius
OR
Rancid Pubis

Take your pick; the man is delusional.

Reince reminds me of a cheap, third-rate hood in a gangster movie who Jimmy Cagney would rough up if he got mouthy.

"I'm tellin' ya, Cody, Romney won it! He's gonna..."
"Shaddup! (smack) If I want yer opinion I'll give it to you, see?"

21 Big Joe  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:27:37pm

re: #18 AntonSirius

Not that I was ever particularly worried, but Bill "I've Never Been Right About Anything In My Entire Miserable Life" Kristol called the election for Romney after watching the debate, so Obama's got it in the bag.

There's no more solid investment out there than shorting a Kristol prediction.

We better wait to see what Dick Morris has to say... just to be sure

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22 Big Joe  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:02pm

lol timing

23 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:22pm

re: #19 Lidane

Heh:

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So, basically they've decided after all these years that they wrong to be so down on McCain for pushing bipartisanship?

24 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:38pm

re: #19 Lidane

Heh:

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Dick Morris, Professional Shithead.

25 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:42pm

re: #19 Lidane

Heh:

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Romney understands more than the average person? Wow what an accomplishment. I would hope that anyone nominated for president by a major party would. And patriotism? Whatever footman.

26 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:55pm

Romney shows understands average person

he bought several of them to study close up

27 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:55pm

Yup.

28 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:29:26pm

re: #16 JamesWI

CNN finally changed their headline from "Too close to call" to "Poll: Obama gets narrow edge."

So, the new tag-line is "CNN - Slightly less of a fucking joke than we were an hour ago"

I have the misfortune of experiencing their "news" during my lunch hour, thanks to our lunch room TV. I remember when CNN allegedly used to be where politicans got their news... Now? I have never seen such a wretched gang of useless, fluff-brained meat muppets in one place. I have no idea how any of those clowns hold down a job, or even who's paying them, because they certainly don't appear to do anything of substance. It's like watching a bunch of teenagers in makeup-clad adult bodies, speaking in colliqualisms, jabbering at high-speed to give the illusion of being a fast-paced news crew. Just terrible, absolutely fcking terrible. It's not even tragic anymore; degeneration into the D-generation at its finest.

I wouldn't trust them to tell me when the sun rises.

29 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:29:33pm

re: #21 Big Joe

We better wait to see what Dick Morris has to say... just to be sure

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30 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:29:57pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

So, basically they've decided after all these years that they wrong to be so down on McCain for pushing bipartisanship?

Also, war is bad:

31 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:30:10pm

re: #29 Kragar

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Uhh, what?

32 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:31:04pm

re: #29 Kragar

is this some kind of joke

33 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:31:21pm

re: #30 Lidane

Also, war is bad:

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What a coincidence, Obama didn't get us into a war.

OH NOES ROMENEE IS THE SAME SA OBAMASATAN!!! QUICKLY SPIN!!!

34 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:31:28pm

re: #32 SpaceJesus

is this some kind of joke

It's Dick Morris, so yes.

35 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:31:33pm
36 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:31:52pm

Looks like our President won. I think I'm going to pull my usual Rip Van Winkle act for the next two weeks as far as politics goes. I can hardly bear it. Night, lizards.

37 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:32:00pm

re: #30 Lidane

Also, war is bad:

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"We can't kill our way out of this!"

Tell that to all the soldiers we planted fighting them "over there," Willard.

38 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:32:14pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

The process and nature of this "debate" was not only sad, but what little content delivered was also sad.

This was the single most disappointing Presidential political address/ "debate" I can remember. Mostly void of meaning, the candidates had to switch to domestic issues just to fill the time.

39 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:32:58pm

re: #33 Pawn of the Oppressor

OH NOES ROMENEE IS THE SAME AS OBAMASATAN!!! QUICKLY SPIN!!!

40 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:33:19pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

"We can't kill our way out of this!"

Tell that to all the soldiers we planted fighting them "over there," Willard.

41 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:33:56pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yup.

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Obama really lets me down with that clean coal crap. I understand when "Progressives" complain that he isn't "Progressive" enough, and I happen to agree with them. He smells of Status Quo, which is a shame, because he could do some real good.

42 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:34:41pm

Headline of LA Times editorial: "Presidential debate: Romney endorses Obama"

That pretty much sums it up.

43 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:34:45pm

This was a really pitiful event, folks.

When a foreign policy debate time has to be filled up with things like "TEACHERS UNIONS!!" you know something is seriously, seriously wrong.

44 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:35:41pm

re: #39 Lidane

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It's fucking hilarious, isn't it? After months of screaming bloody murder about how they weren't gonna spend 4 years defending Romney and getting irate whenever he seemed the least bit "moderate," now all of a sudden the wingnuts like all this "moderate" stuff.

45 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:36:00pm

HERP DERPITY DERP:

46 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:36:33pm

re: #43 freetoken

This was a really pitiful event, folks.

When a foreign policy debate time has to be filled up with things like "TEACHERS UNIONS!!" you know something is seriously, seriously wrong.

It's why I wish we'd had Crowley or a similar mod there. Schieffer let Willard drag the whole thing into domestic issues without so much as a protest.

47 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:37:42pm

re: #43 freetoken

This was a really pitiful event, folks.

When a foreign policy debate time has to be filled up with things like "TEACHERS UNIONS!!" you know something is seriously, seriously wrong.

Thank Romney for that.

48 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:37:42pm

re: #45 Lidane

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Delusion isn't healthy, Mr. Hoft.

49 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:38:05pm

I think my favorite moment was when Romney said "we can't kill our way out of this," then two sentences later said he'd "go after the bad guys and kill them."

He can't even keep his own bullshit straight.

50 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:38:22pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

I had assumed ahead of time that Schieffer would be a disaster.

The whole point of this exercise is that both candidates know they can get 90 minutes of national TV time without having to pay for it. That's why they set up the rules so there is no real moderator, no interlocutor, and even the timekeeping is marginal.

51 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:39:16pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Or when he so strenuously declared that the US doesn't dictate to other countries, right after he spent the first 30 minutes trying to dictate to nations how they ought to be run.

52 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:39:49pm

re: #43 freetoken

This was a really pitiful event, folks.

When a foreign policy debate time has to be filled up with things like "TEACHERS UNIONS!!" you know something is seriously, seriously wrong.

Wait, you're not going to tell us again how Obama blew it?

53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:40:02pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I think my favorite moment was when Romney said "we can't kill our way out of this," then two sentences later said he'd "go after the bad guys and kill them."

He can't even keep his own bullshit straight.

That's always his story. Says one thing one moment and then totally contradicts himself the next. The man is a bullshit artist.

54 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:41:41pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I think my favorite moment was when Romney said "we can't kill our way out of this," then two sentences later said he'd "go after the bad guys and kill them."

He can't even keep his own bullshit straight.

Didn't you like how we'll solve our Iran crisis by getting Dinnerjacket arrested by the ICC?

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:04pm

Obama with Tagg Romney - unfortunately, you can't hear what he said, but I'm imagining something like, "OK, here I am. Take your best shot."

Youtube Video
56 boredtechindenver  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:14pm

re: #18 AntonSirius

There's no more solid investment out there than shorting a Kristol prediction.

This. Bill Kristol and Dick Morris combined couldn't reach the Mendoza line for correct predictions.

57 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:30pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Didn't you like how we'll solve our Iran crisis by getting Dinnerjacket arrested by the ICC?

The very same ICC that the wingnuts have been raging against for ages.

That made me laugh.

58 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:40pm

re: #52 JamesWI

Wait, you're not going to tell us again how Obama blew it?

He did blow it.

This was the last big opportunity to motivate groups of people to actually move their fat asses on Nov. 6 and vote for him, but instead he played it quite, frankly, dull (with the exception of the thing about horses, and objecting to the "apology" adjective.)

If Obama "won" tonight it isn't because he got more people to vote for him, but because Romney's love of the ICC and endorsing a couple of Obama policies cost him a few wingnut votes.

59 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:44:14pm

re: #58 freetoken

He did blow it.

This was the last big opportunity to motivate groups of people to actually move their fat asses on Nov. 6 and vote for him, but instead he played it quite, frankly, dull (with the exception of the thing about horses, and objecting to the "apology" adjective.)

If Obama "won" tonight it isn't because he got more people to vote for him, but because Romney's love of the ICC and endorsing a couple of Obama policies cost him a few wingnut votes.

I think it's a good trade-off, Obama didn't fire up the base totally, but he did further discourage the wingnuts.

60 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:44:27pm

re: #58 freetoken

He did blow it.

This was the last big opportunity to motivate groups of people to actually move their fat asses on Nov. 6 and vote for him, but instead he played it quite, frankly, dull (with the exception of the thing about horses, and objecting to the "apology" adjective.)

If Obama "won" tonight it isn't because he got more people to vote for him, but because Romney's love of the ICC and endorsing a couple of Obama policies cost him a few wingnut votes.

Does it matter? This is a country of idiots.

61 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:44:44pm

re: #58 freetoken

He did blow it.

This was the last big opportunity to motivate groups of people to actually move their fat asses on Nov. 6 and vote for him, but instead he played it quite, frankly, dull (with the exception of the thing about horses, and objecting to the "apology" adjective.)

If Obama "won" tonight it isn't because he got more people to vote for him, but because Romney's love of the ICC and endorsing a couple of Obama policies cost him a few wingnut votes.

So in other words, you're just going to ignore the fact that basically everyone on the planet says Obama dominated, and substitute your own ridiculous judgment. Gotcha.

62 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:45:37pm

re: #58 freetoken

Side question: Are you really Wolf Blitzer in disguise?

63 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:46:19pm

Can't wait for the next war and men that die for their country. Whatever.

64 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:47:16pm

re: #61 JamesWI

So in other words, you're just going to ignore the fact that basically everyone on the planet says Obama dominated, and substitute your own ridiculous judgment. Gotcha.

You're stuck in the blitz of "winning" meaning something quite transient.

I'm talking about getting people to the polls.

That's a different thing.

65 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:47:42pm

Meanwhile, Ann Coulter:

66 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:48:51pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ann Coulter:

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Did Mitt take Ryan out to Chuck E Cheese or something today?

67 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:49:03pm

why is ann coulter allowed to be on twitter

68 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:49:26pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ann Coulter:

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The sad part is people actually find that funny when it really just reflects that Ann Coulter has less maturity than an eleven year old.

69 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:49:30pm

Too many of you are stuck in what I call "DWTS Voting" mode. It's as if the poll lines are open right now and whoever gets the most calls before noon tomorrow WINS!!!

Sorry, but come Nov. 6 tonight will be mostly forgotten.

70 Samsonn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:49:37pm

re: #58 freetoken

Bullshit. As I said in an earlier thread, the President was calm, focused, clear and concise. He countered Romney's nonsense when he needed to - and he used his time well.

Romney appeared as knock-kneed and cunning, a cheap political manipulator.

If Obama did anything else, he'd drive some group or other away from the polls. We're sorry he didn't appeal to you, specifically.

You wanna get people to the polls? Give them a lift.

71 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:50:31pm

re: #70 Samsonn

You wanna get people to the polls? Give them a lift.

Sorry, but Obama hasn't earned my vote.

72 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:52:00pm

re: #71 freetoken

Sorry, but Obama hasn't earned my vote.

But Romney's campaign has convinced you to stand aside?

73 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:52:15pm

re: #69 freetoken

Too many of you are stuck in what I call "DWTS Voting" mode. It's as if the poll lines are open right now and whoever gets the most calls before noon tomorrow WINS!!!

Sorry, but come Nov. 6 tonight will be mostly forgotten.

And you are stuck up your own ass. You called the debate for Romney about 15 minutes in, and you are desperate to twist the story to fit your narrative.

If you think this debate will have absolutely no effect on the election, I honestly don't know what to say to you.

74 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:52:33pm

re: #71 freetoken

Sorry, but Obama hasn't earned my vote.

You were...what? Hoping that he'd spend the debates playing to the base and totally blow your socks off?

75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:53:08pm

night all!

76 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:53:40pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

You were...what? Hoping that he'd spend the debates playing to the base and totally blow your socks off?

If freetoken is a liberal (as I think he is), I'm guessing he must be from the Glenn Greenwald mold. That is, he's thinking "OH MY GOD, Obama didn't say he'd immediately end drone strikes! I can't vote for him!!!!"

77 gwangung  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:54:42pm

re: #64 freetoken

You're stuck in the blitz of "winning" meaning something quite transient.

I'm talking about getting people to the polls.

That's a different thing.

What gets people to the polls are clear signs that their candidate is beating the other side.

This happened tonight.

End of story.

78 Destro  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:55:59pm

The apology tour got lots of negatives from the CNN independents if that means anything.

79 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:56:38pm

re: #78 Destro

The apology tour got lots of negatives from the CNN independents if that means anything.

I understand that declaring he'd cut Obamacare pretty much tanked the poll at that time.

80 Samsonn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:56:42pm

re: #71 freetoken

I keep this quote in mind, at all times - I would suggest it to you, too:

“Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote.”

81 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:56:43pm

re: #58 freetoken

I don't know. I'm taking my fat ass to city hall to vote on Friday.

82 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:57:45pm
83 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:58:03pm

Sorry, I was off in my memory. Freetoken actually waited a little more than half an hour in to the debate to call it for Romney:

re: #252 freetoken

Well, I'm calling this one - Romney's won this one.

84 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:58:24pm
85 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:59:28pm

re: #64 freetoken

I'm talking about getting people to the polls.

Seeing your guy hand the other guy his ass does wonders for getting people to the polls, and for keeping the other guy's people home.

90-plus% of Romney's gains after the first debate were a result of the GOP base getting fired up because he handed Obama his ass. They completely overlooked the fact that he did it by directly contradicting everything he'd said to appease them during the primaries; all they cared about was that their guy looked like a winner, and by God they were gonna get behind him. Meanwhile Sully was deciding between arsenic and a noose, and the Dem base was demoralized.

Well, Obama just handed Mitt at least as bad a whuppin' in this one as Romney handed him in the first debate, in no small part because he didn't have to tie himself into hypocritical knots to do it, and you're trying to claim it won't affect morale on either side? Bullshit. The Dems will be riding high, while the GOP just saw their guy talk about peace and bipartisanship and look like a loser doing it. Every bad feeling they ever had about Romney's conservative cred is going to start gnawing at them again.

86 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:01:23pm

re: #69 freetoken

Too many of you are stuck in what I call "DWTS Voting" mode. It's as if the poll lines are open right now and whoever gets the most calls before noon tomorrow WINS!!!

Sorry, but come Nov. 6 tonight will be mostly forgotten.

It's as if you're unaware that early voting has begun, with absentee ballots in hand or already sent back in. It seems like you're just feeding your own general sense of superiority though, so please proceed and enlighten us with these drippings of wisdom.

87 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:01:51pm

just watched it. obama won by a nice margin. it will probably translate into a super small bump in swing states for a week. what really counts is not fucking up, stumping, and ad dropping.

88 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:34:30pm
89 Big Joe  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:34:37pm

F5 F5 F5 ...

90 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:34:40pm

Argh.

91 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:35:29pm

Watching Fox coverage on the replay now for grins and giggles. They don't look happy.

92 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:35:50pm

I swear, I just saw a hamster walk by, carrying a picket sign saying "Occupy Server!"

93 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:37:27pm

Louisiana woman set on fire, KKK painted on her car.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Racist fuckers.

94 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:40:12pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Argh.

Funny, that is exactly what I say at 2:00am EST everyday...coincidence? I think not...

/ ;)

95 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:41:24pm

OK, that time I know what happened - there were several Chinese bots trying to load every page at the site all at once. I just blocked the whole IP range.

96 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:42:25pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Is that a type of DOS?

97 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:44:40pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yup.

Tremendous victory for the oil lobby RT @joshrogin: So it's official: Climate change did not come up even once in any debate.

Because Obama knew he would have nothing to gain from bringing up the topic. Nearly every AGW thread here turns into a shouting match and statistical dick-comparing contest, it would be pointless to bring the topic up on a televised debate.

98 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:45:36pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

OK, that time I know what happened - there were several Chinese bots trying to load every page at the site all at once. I just blocked the whole IP range.

So we know China sides with Romney.
//

Glad to hear you're enjoying the sucking of your bandwidth. Good luck with the mini floods of hits, Charles.

Me, I'll go to bed now and give you one less connection to worry about.

99 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:46:22pm

re: #40 Kragar

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"Romney says, about Islam's war on us, "we're not going to kill our way out of this." Tell that to the Muslims in 732 and 1683."

Just step in to the Wayback Machine, Mr Fischer, we'd be happy to send you back and let you tell them yourself. You would probably feel more at home back then, anyways...

100 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:46:38pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I think my favorite moment was when Romney said "we can't kill our way out of this," then two sentences later said he'd "go after the bad guys and kill them."

He can't even keep his own bullshit straight.

2 sentences ago is so way in the past. He's evolved in the span of a paragraph.

101 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:48:38pm

In fact, checking back through the logs it looks like this was the problem during the debate. We have thousands and thousands of accesses from Chinese bots in the log.

They're all blocked now.

102 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:50:38pm

They were all attracted to Mitt's android charisma

103 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:52:03pm

re: #102 AK-47%

They were all attracted to Mitt's android charisma

"HE SINGS THE SONG OF OUR PEOPLE!"

104 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:56:02pm

That's it. I have never had anything but trouble from Chinese IP addresses, and I'm going nuclear. I'm using the extensive block list from this page to just ban them all:

[Link: www.wizcrafts.net...]

105 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:56:46pm

Pleazzzee!!! Won't you think of the bots
?

106 efuseakay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:57:49pm

Bots in China? Romney built that!

107 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:58:14pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

That's it. I have never had anything but trouble from Chinese IP addresses, and I'm going nuclear. I'm using the extensive block list from this page to just ban them all:

[Link: www.wizcrafts.net...]

Tariff all the pings!

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:14:42am

re: #96 freetoken

Is that a type of DOS?

Probably not intentional, but effectively that's what it was. They were trying to load hundreds of different pages within a very short time and maxing out the database connections. That's why you saw the "connection error" - there were no connections left.

109 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:24:04am

I think we're going to have trouble from the fundamentalist right even if Romney wins. He is an opportunist and has no real connection with, or empathy for, their red-meat, tea party, neo-confederate, Bible thumper ideas or lifestyle. He has no use for their agenda except to get himself into office. Once that is accomplished, he won't even know the cat that drug them in. They are going under the bus, and they will resent it.

110 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:27:24am

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

I think we're going to have trouble from the fundamentalist right even if Romney wins. He is an opportunist and has no real connection with, or empathy for, their Bible thumping, neo-Confederate, hinterland gentry ideas or lifestyle. He has no use for their agenda except to get him into office. Once that is accomplished, he won't even know the cat that drug them in. They are going under the bus, and they will resent it.

They experienced this with Reagan, and are prepared for it this time. They won't get fooled again, so to speak.
They have insinuated their people into all levels of administration, politics, education, culture and public office...some of them are already into the second generation...they will make it impossible for Romney to get anything done economically unless he gives in to their antedeluvian social policies.

111 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:36:57am

You know the Romney fans are worried now when they start flooding Facebook with "can't we all just get along/may the best man win" posts. A bunch of my friends were pretty active with said attitude after this smack down tonight.

112 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:43:26am

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

I think we're going to have trouble from the fundamentalist right even if Romney wins. He is an opportunist and has no real connection with, or empathy for, their red-meat, tea party, neo-confederate, Bible thumper ideas or lifestyle. He has no use for their agenda except to get himself into office. Once that is accomplished, he won't even know the cat that drug them in. They are going under the bus, and they will resent it.

It's a good thing we probably won't have to find out that any of this is true. Freetoken's objections aside, I think Romney did some serious damage to his chances tonight, and ironically, the worst of it came when he veered away from foreign policy. His talk about getting rid of social programs (in addition to Obamacare) seemed to go over as well as a fart in church. And his attempt to defend himself on the auto bailout was awkward as hell (which definitely won't help in Ohio). Add to that the fact that he seemed completely out of his depth on the foreign policy, and I have a hard time seeing him winning......(Of course, this country does seem to be dumb enough that I would never guarantee a win).

Will this debate move the polls as much as Romney's win in the first debate? Of course not. That bump was more about typical Republican voters finally deciding that they weren't going to sit it out. But I really can't see the truly independent voters watching the last two debates and thinking "Man, I really want to vote for Mitt!"

113 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:52:29am

thinking about who willard was trying to become in his latest attempt to be whoever you'd like him to be, the debate tonight made it clear: he was trying to become obama

114 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:56:47am

however, the sad thing was that the way to win these debates these days is on a purely visceral level. barack had to be seen to be not only standing up to mitt, but also dominating, even bullying him

i'm so glad that it wasn't the other way around, but still it's sad that the whole thing is won and lost really on a schoolyard basis

115 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:57:10am

Charles, I noticed that the few sites i was looking at tonight were all sluggish, with LGF being the worst. I would suggest that you check with site administrators of other center left or left leaning sites to see if they had issues from Chinese IPs. I noticed the same thing during last weeks debate also at the same sites.

116 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:02:01am

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

I think we're going to have trouble from the fundamentalist right even if Romney wins. He is an opportunist and has no real connection with, or empathy for, their red-meat, tea party, neo-confederate, Bible thumper ideas or lifestyle. He has no use for their agenda except to get himself into office. Once that is accomplished, he won't even know the cat that drug them in. They are going under the bus, and they will resent it.

Romney's real problem, should he win, is that he's going to have to preside over an economic miracle while dealing with a divided Congress. His plan for the deficit amounts to raw prayer and he's got nothing when it comes to dealing with the debt. The GOP House isn't going to send him any tax increases on the wealthy and the Democratic Senate isn't going to approve any of his conservative social changes. They'll also emulate GOP intransigence on advice and consent from a majority position, blocking many of his judicial appointments and cabinet nominations. If he get's his military spending increase it'll just exacerbate the debt explosion any tax breaks create. There simply aren't enough personal income tax deductions to come close to paying for that, and each one that gets eliminated is another drag on the economy.

On top of that everything his populist rhetoric is at odds with what big business wants. He can't actually back up his jingoism regarding China but he's said enough shit to guarantee neither they nor Russia will cooperate with him on almost anything involving the Security Council.

All this happens even if we don't get involved in a shooting war with Iran. If we do then the shit really hits the fan.

117 researchok  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:03:07am

Morning, all

118 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:09:41am

re: #117 researchok

Morning, all

morning. and good night.

119 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:10:16am

re: #118 boredtechindenver

morning. and good night.

Ditto.

120 researchok  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:10:31am

...

121 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:13:27am

On a lighter note, I recently took note of a person even more ridiculous than Romney.

I happened to turn on the Today Show yesterday and the guest was none other than Barry Manilow, a parodist whose imitation of a Vegas lounge-lizard singer was popular in the 70s. Decadent time, the 70s. I hadn't even known he was still alive (and didn't especially care). He even has his trademark shaggy dog hairdo, though he is now 69 years old.

122 researchok  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:17:17am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

On a lighter note, I recently took note of a person even more ridiculous than Romney.

I happened to turn on the Today Show yesterday and the guest was none other than Barry Manilow, a parodist whose imitation of a Vegas lounge-lizard singer was popular in the 70s. Decadent time, the 70s. I hadn't even known he was still alive (and didn't especially care). He even has his trademark shaggy dog hairdo, though he is now 69 years old.

Give the guy credit.

He won't have to rely on Social Security in no small measure due to his lousy haircut.

123 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 1:36:06am

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

All this happens even if we don't get involved in a shooting war with Iran. If we do then the shit really hits the fan.

Mitt is the kind of guy who will just sit back and smile and let his underlings bumble us into a war...it is a disaster just waiting to happen.

124 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:10:35am

Former head of Mossad gives a devastating interview regarding Mitt Romney:

Efraim Halevy served as chief of the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, under three Israeli prime ministers and led the secret negotiations with Jordan’s King Hussein that made way for Israel’s historic 1994 peace treaty with that country.

Quotes from Halevy:

“The perception is that Israel is going through the stages of sanctions, etc. not with the idea or conviction that at the end, the other side will yield,” he said. “If the purpose was to exert pressure to bring the other side to the table, the rhetoric should be different.

“Obama does think there is still room for negotiations,” Halevy said. “It’s a very courageous thing to say in this atmosphere. In the end, this is what I think: Making foreign policy on Iran a serious issue in the US elections — what Romney has done, in itself — is a heavy blow to the ultimate interests of the United States and Israel.”

...

What Romney is doing is mortally destroying any chance of a resolution without war. Therefore when [he recently] said, he doesn’t think there should be a war with Iran, this does not ring true. It is not consistent with other things he has said.

...

Romney has been very costly on Russia [...] If you want to create a situation, where the only way to go about things is to go back to the Cold War, that is what is being done here. It’s very dangerous.

125 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:20:16am

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Exactly what I meant about Mitt bumbling his way to Armageddon...

126 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:23:20am

re: #115 boredtechindenver

Charles, I noticed that the few sites i was looking at tonight were all sluggish, with LGF being the worst. I would suggest that you check with site administrators of other center left or left leaning sites to see if they had issues from Chinese IPs. I noticed the same thing during last weeks debate also at the same sites.

Don't know about China IPs, but it wasn't just leftie sites. Freepers bitched all through the debate, and not just about their wunderkind tanking.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:32:22am

Morning Honcos.

128 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:40:52am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Don't know about China IPs, but it wasn't just leftie sites. Freepers bitched all through the debate, and not just about their wunderkind tanking.

Yeah I'm going to hit FR in a little while for a few laughs.

129 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:44:09am

re: #128 Tigger2

Yeah I'm going to hit FR in a little while for a few laughs.

Haven't been there in several hours. They sounded like kids who got sweaters for Christmas.

130 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:47:30am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Haven't bee there in several hours. They sounded like kids who got sweaters for Christmas.

Even their idol Glenny Beck is depressed as hell.

131 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:49:48am

I don't have TV. Sucks because this is on tonight.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

132 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:50:52am

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't have TV. Sucks because this is on tonight.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

Go down to a sports bar and demand that they put it on the widescreen.

133 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:55:36am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Go down to a sports bar and demand that they put it on the widescreen.

...wearing an Al Gore t-shirt...

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:55:37am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Go down to a sports bar and demand that they put it on the widescreen.

I actually went to a local sports bar after work yesterday. Had a couple Newcastle Brown Ales. Tasty.

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:00:31am

Italian court ruling sends chill through science community
(Reuters) - Scientists reacted with alarm to the manslaughter conviction of six earthquake experts in Italy for failing to give adequate warning of the 2009 earthquake in the city of L'Aquila that killed 308 people.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Wow.

136 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:00:46am

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually went to a local sports bar after work yesterday. Had a couple Newcastle Brown Ales. Tasty.

Lots of new (to me) beers out there. I miss Iron City and Duquesne. It's a hoot that they sell Rolling Rock here as a premium.

137 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:01:02am

Here's another Family Values republican for you. Child Molestation.

[Link: www.delmarvanow.com...]


[Link: www.sussexcountian.com...]


[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

That is sick.

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:04:29am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Lots of new (to me) beers out there. I miss Iron City and Duquesne. It's a hoot that they sell Rolling Rock here as a premium.

I saw the Ramones at a club in Ft. Lauderdale years ago that was sponsored by Rolling Rock, which is the only beer they sold during the show. Pure piss.

139 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:08:02am

re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw the Ramones at a club in Ft. Lauderdale years ago that was sponsored by Rolling Rock, which is the only beer they sold during the show. Pure piss.

Yeah, but it survived, and all those great Pittsburgh beers are gone. See, Darwinism is obviously wrong.

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:08:40am

re: #137 Tigger2

There is a special place in Hell for people like him. Hope it was worth it. Douche.

141 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:09:50am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Yeah, but it survived, and all those great Pittsburgh beers are gone. See, Darwinism is obviously wrong.

Old Frothingslosh. The beer with the foam at the bottom...

142 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:10:11am

re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a special place in Hell for people like him. Hope it was worth it. Douche.

Astounding that a guy like that doesn't just off himself. We need to get a little more Samurai around here.

143 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:11:02am

re: #141 AK-47%

Old Frothingslosh. The beer with the foam at the bottom...

Rege Cordick wouldn't lie to us.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:12:39am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Astounding that a guy like that doesn't just off himself. We need to get a little more Samurai around here.

I am all for giving people like him a little rope to decorate his jail cell.

145 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:17:55am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am all for giving people like him a little rope to decorate his jail cell.

Just put him away in a cell with a half-dozen burly rapists and let nature take its course...

146 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:19:32am

re: #145 AK-47%

Punishing rape with rape is sick shit.

147 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:20:27am

re: #146 Obdicut

Punishing rape with rape is sick shit.

It is just how our prison system works...no reason he should be treated differently from any other prisoner.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:20:28am

re: #145 AK-47%

Just put him away in a cell with a half-dozen burly rapists and let nature take its course...

Ah, yes, the good old days. Now they segregate people like him. I actually worked with a guy who did 5 years for a sex crime. Never got the full story on that. He was segregated.

149 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:22:09am

re: #145 AK-47%

Just put him away in a cell with a half-dozen burly rapists and let nature take its course...

You don't have to put him in with them, they will find him inmates hate child molesters with a passion, I wouldn't give you two cents for his life someone will get him.

150 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:22:27am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ah, yes, the good old days. Now they segregate people like him. I actually worked with a guy who did 5 years for a sex crime. Never got the full story on that. He was segregated.

You mean with "Group W"?

151 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:22:36am

re: #147 AK-47%

It is just how our prison system works...no reason he should be treated differently from any other prisoner.

And that is a national fucking disgrace, and it really creeps me out to see people endorsing it as part of our prison system.

152 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:23:15am

re: #151 Obdicut

And that is a national fucking disgrace, and it really creeps me out to see people endorsing it as part of our prison system.

I am not endorsing it, it is just that in this particular case I cannot get too upset...

/ (retroactive sarc tag for original comment)

153 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:25:26am

re: #147 AK-47%

It is just how our prison system works...no reason he should be treated differently from any other prisoner.

Having an uncle that went into prison for armed robbery and came out with HIV/AIDS I have a low tolerance for blasé acceptance of prison rape.

154 wheat-dogg  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:25:26am

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Don't block me! I'm not a bot. I just connect from China because I work here.

155 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:26:15am

re: #152 AK-47%

Totally sounded like you were endorsing it, seeing as you directly said to put him in a cell with a bunch of 'burly' rapists. how is that not an endorsement of him getting raped?

156 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:26:18am

re: #154 wheatdogg

Don't block me! I'm not a bot. I just connect from China because I work here.

Yes--I was worried that we had a couple good lizards over there.

157 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:26:52am

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

Having an uncle that went into prison for armed robbery and came out with HIV/AIDS I have a low tolerance for blasé acceptance of prison rape.

sorry again for neglecting to put sarc tag on original comment. Nobody deserves such a fate, but I would not shed many tears over this particular case.

158 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:27:13am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Yes--I was worried that we had a couple good lizards over there.

I think Charles already dropped the hammer, so I think Wheatdog's IP isn't on the bad list. I think.

I think a lot.

159 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:27:21am

Remember the scene in Boogie Nights where "The Colonel" was in prison for child sex crimes? His cellmate was kicking his ass while reading him the Bible. Like that.

160 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:27:54am

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remember the scene in Boogie Nights where "The Colonel" was in prison for child sex crimes? His cellmate was kicking his ass while reading him the Bible. Like that.

That would be entirely fitting, yes...

161 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:28:11am

re: #158 Obdicut

I think Charles already dropped the hammer, so I think Wheatdog's IP isn't on the bad list. I think.

I think a lot.

You want to avoid that sickly cast of thought. Gets in the way.

162 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:29:23am

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

If we, as a society, want to add torture and beatings and shit like that as punishments for some crimes, we should do it legally, and have them actual penalties for the crimes. Oh, and we shouldn't do that, by the way, because it's fucking medieval.

Until we do that, we are failing, over and fucking over, in our duty to protect prisoners from harm, and it really is a national fucking disgrace. Not just rape, but murder. A lot of our prisons are ruled by competing gangs of pyschos. This is not a good thing.

Don't let lust for vengeance blind you to justice.

163 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:32:22am

re: #157 AK-47%

sorry again for neglecting to put sarc tag on original comment. Nobody deserves such a fate, but I would not shed many tears over this particular case.

I'm not a huge fan of carving out exceptions in who we view as humans worthy of less than minimally decent treatment, at least on a societal level. I don't support the death penalty for convicted murderers who've exhausted all appeals, and this dude hasn't even gone to trial yet.

164 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:35:33am

re: #163 goddamnedfrank

If this guy is convicted and sentenced to prison, then I can only say that he deserves the very best our prison system has to offer him.

165 wheat-dogg  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:36:21am

re: #158 Obdicut

I think Charles already dropped the hammer, so I think Wheatdog's IP isn't on the bad list. I think.

I think a lot.

Sir Think-a-lot, it seems I am safe, for now. It helps that my university presents a static IP to the rest of the world.

And that's two g's in dogg, thanks.

166 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:36:42am

We're basically chimpanzees with a few tweaks to the genetic code, with the capacity for horrible violence lingering in every one of us. Society, if it's going to work, has to at least try to be better than the sum of its parts.

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:37:08am

re: #164 AK-47%

If this guy is convicted and sentenced to prison, then I can only say that he deserves the very best our prison system has to offer him.

If someone has 1 or 2 counts against him I can see where he might have a fighting chance. 100+ counts is quite the uphill battle.

168 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:38:16am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

If someone has 1 or 2 counts against him I can see where he might have a fighting chance. 100+ counts is quite the uphill battle.

I never wager on anyone else's personal misfortune, but if I did, I would not put two cents on the dollar for this guy...

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:40:59am

re: #168 AK-47%

I never wager on anyone else's personal misfortune, but if I did, I would not put two cents on the dollar for this guy...

Yea. He's pretty much fucked.

170 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:41:03am

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

We're basically chimpanzees with a few tweaks to the genetic code, with the capacity for horrible violence lingering in every one of us. Society, if it's going to work, has to at least try to be better than the sum of its parts.

Not much of a mechanism for that. If anything the larger the troop, the greater the atrocity.

171 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:42:22am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Not much of a mechanism for that. If anything, the larger the troop, the greater the atrocity.

...and the easier for us to justify that it was "for the common good"

172 wheat-dogg  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:55:56am

re: #168 AK-47%

To paraphrase someone quoted in one of the news stories linked to here, why did this guy even run for office? He has allegedly more than 100 skeletons in his closet, involving an underage boy, no less. Is his hubris so great that he thought no one would ever find out?

173 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:01:54am

I, for one, welcome our new duck overlords and the beginning of the Peking Dynasty. (I know, day late and a dollar short)

174 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:04:55am

Tigers VS Giants. This Series is going to be good.

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:13:03am

WTF? Warning-graphic.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

176 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:14:32am

Watching the debate was like watching the Yankees lose.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:31:41am

'Unusual Suspects': Sociopath Teen Commits 'Most Heinous Crime Ever Seen In The Country' (VIDEO)
He drugged, tortured and raped her for two days before ultimately killing her and dumping her body in the woods.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

178 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:34:22am

WTF? Did Bryan join Westboro? Wouldn't surprise me. Does he really think we need MORE ceremonial sabers for MORE soldiers' tombs?

179 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:46:26am
180 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:47:16am

Anybody want to talk about the World Series?

181 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:49:58am

re: #180 Sheila Broflovski

Anybody want to talk about the World Series?

I see Detroit taking Game 1 will Verlander on the hill.

182 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:53:58am

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

I see Detroit taking Game 1 will Verlander on the hill.

Have Tigers ever played before at AT&T Park?

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:56:24am

re: #182 Sheila Broflovski

Have Tigers ever played before at AT&T Park?

I doubt it. That park is relatively new.

184 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:10:14am

I just threw up in my mouth.

185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:12:53am

re: #178 Sheila Broflovski

WTF? Did Bryan join Westboro? Wouldn't surprise me. Does he really think we need MORE ceremonial sabers for MORE soldiers' tombs?

[Embedded content]

That's cross-pollinated with/from a Freep thread.

186 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:16:43am

Want to see one more debate, in which the candidates are rigidly held to a defense of the rhetoric and content of their campaigns and supporters.

187 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:17:47am

I really do not like this trend of naming sports stadiums after the corporate entities that built them. It's so crass.

188 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:18:21am

Whoa. Definitely a departure from the previous films and from The Avengers:

Youtube Video
189 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:19:20am

What next, the teams will be named after corporate sponsors? The Little Rock Walmarts, the Detroit Chevys, the Atlanta Coca-Colas?

190 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:24:19am

re: #187 Sheila Broflovski

I really do not like this trend of naming sports stadiums after the corporate entities that built them. It's so crass.

The names on the stadiums are sponsors. They aren't the ones who put up the money to build them.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:53:22am

Looks like I might get wet on the way to work.:( See y'all tonight.

192 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:23:39am

re: #189 Sheila Broflovski

Already done. The New York Red Bulls (soccer), being the one that comes to mind.

As for stadium naming, we've had them for generations. Wrigley Field - one of the oldest ballparks in the country, was named after the team owner who also happened to be the name brand for the chewing gum he marketed and sold.

The more unusual circumstance is where new stadiums are built, but don't get corporate sponsorships in the usual fashion.

Yankee Stadium comes to mind - though the brand Yankee is itself worth billions. Corporate sponsorships are instead relegated to areas of the ballpark - suite areas, restaurants, etc.

193 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:32:44am

re: #192 lawhawk

Already done. The New York Red Bulls (soccer), being the one that comes to mind.

As for stadium naming, we've had them for generations. Wrigley Field - one of the oldest ballparks in the country, was named after the team owner who also happened to be the name brand for the chewing gum he marketed and sold.

The more unusual circumstance is where new stadiums are built, but don't get corporate sponsorships in the usual fashion.

Yankee Stadium comes to mind - though the brand Yankee is itself worth billions. Corporate sponsorships are instead relegated to areas of the ballpark - suite areas, restaurants, etc.

Yankees Stadium is kind of old. It would suck if they built a new one and called it (for example) Trump Park.

194 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:35:54am

re: #193 Sheila Broflovski

The new Yankee Stadium opened in 2009. There were discussions about what the team would call if and whether they'd sell corporate naming rights, but the team realized that the brand Yankees was worth more than pissing off its fans - so they kept the name Yankee Stadium.

195 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:36:48am

re: #194 lawhawk

The new Yankee Stadium opened in 2009. There were discussions about what the team would call if and whether they'd sell corporate naming rights, but the team realized that the brand Yankees was worth more than pissing off its fans - so they kept the name Yankee Stadium.

Thanks for correcting me, I did not know it was a new stadium with the old name.

196 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:37:04am

re: #178 Sheila Broflovski

WTF? Did Bryan join Westboro? Wouldn't surprise me. Does he really think we need MORE ceremonial sabers for MORE soldiers' tombs?

[Embedded content]

That's what the wingnuts are running with today. I can't count the number of 'Mr. President, Marines still use bayonets!!11' graphics on Facebook.

Obama said 'fewer,' but to see those stupid FB images it looks like they all heard him say 'Our military no longer uses bayonets under any circumstances.'

That's a pretty thin reed to grasp - but when your candidate is sitting there, sweating and rambling like someone dosed his Diet Coke, ya gotta go with what you got, I guess.

197 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:38:24am

re: #161 Decatur Deb

You want to avoid that sickly cast of thought. Gets in the way.

I used to think beer was bad for me, so I stopped thinking.

198 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:38:26am

re: #194 lawhawk

The new Yankee Stadium opened in 2009. There were discussions about what the team would call if and whether they'd sell corporate naming rights, but the team realized that the brand Yankees was worth more than pissing off its fans - so they kept the name Yankee Stadium.

I thought it sucked that they moved Tiger Stadium to the new Comerica Park, until I attended a game at Comerica. The old Tiger Stadium had a lot of obstructed view seats.

199 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:40:29am

re: #196 makeitstop

That's what the wingnuts are running with today. I can't count the number of 'Mr. President, Marines still use bayonets!!11' graphics on Facebook.

Obama said 'fewer,' but to see those stupid FB images it looks like they all heard him say 'Our military no longer uses bayonets under any circumstances.'

That's a pretty thin reed to grasp - but when your candidate is sitting there, sweating and rambling like someone dosed his Diet Coke, ya gotta go with what you got, I guess.

The military no longer uses bayonets and swords as weapons, but they still have some limited function as ceremonial regalia.

I wish Obama had asked Mitt how he plans to reduce the trillions in the deficit (which Mitt keeps complaining about) by building a bunch of new battleships.

200 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:42:18am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Yeah, but it survived, and all those great Pittsburgh beers are gone. See, Darwinism is obviously wrong.

Rolling Rock is currently brewed in Newark, NJ. Was moved out of Latrobe after Budweiser bought them out.

201 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:46:57am

re: #198 Sheila Broflovski

The new Yankee Stadium has better sightlines in the main seating bowl and you can now watch the game from the food concourses under the stadium, but it now has obstructed view seats in the outfield bleachers - if you're in RF bleachers, you can't see through to the left center field area b/c they built the restaurant and monument park in between, and if you're in the LF beachers, you can't see into the right center area for the same reason. They put in large video displays to fill that gap, but it seems like a significant oversight in the cheap seats.

202 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:49:30am

re: #201 lawhawk

The new Yankee Stadium has better sightlines in the main seating bowl and you can now watch the game from the food concourses under the stadium, but it now has obstructed view seats in the outfield bleachers - if you're in RF bleachers, you can't see through to the left center field area b/c they built the restaurant and monument park in between, and if you're in the LF beachers, you can't see into the right center area for the same reason. They put in large video displays to fill that gap, but it seems like a significant oversight in the cheap seats.

My kids have been to that stadium, wearing their Tigers hats and shirts.

203 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:51:15am

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

I think we're going to have trouble from the fundamentalist right even if Romney wins. He is an opportunist and has no real connection with, or empathy for, their red-meat, tea party, neo-confederate, Bible thumper ideas or lifestyle. He has no use for their agenda except to get himself into office. Once that is accomplished, he won't even know the cat that drug them in. They are going under the bus, and they will resent it.

How do we know that? What proof is there? He was moderate in MA once. I don't know if we have ANY idea what he'd govern like. He's a complete chameleon. Which makes him, IMHO, extraordinarily dangerous.

204 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:53:08am

re: #173 Shropshire_Slasher

I, for one, welcome our new duck overlords and the beginning of the Peking Dynasty. (I know, day late and a dollar short)

Will they bring pancakes?

205 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:55:53am

re: #204 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hoisin sauce of course. /

206 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:58:19am

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

I disagree that Dems will obstruct like the GOP has. Yes, they'll block decimation of social programs and overtly RW judges, but look at when Bush 2 was in office. Dems governed and worked with him.

It is ONLY Republicans who hold US hostage.

207 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:02:00am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

On a lighter note, I recently took note of a person even more ridiculous than Romney.

I happened to turn on the Today Show yesterday and the guest was none other than Barry Manilow, a parodist whose imitation of a Vegas lounge-lizard singer was popular in the 70s. Decadent time, the 70s. I hadn't even known he was still alive (and didn't especially care). He even has his trademark shaggy dog hairdo, though he is now 69 years old.

I'm no Manilow fan but look at his bio. That guy has done more shit in a week than I've done in my life. His work is EVERYWHERE. Commercials, tv theme songs. I was stunned when someone pointed it out to me ;when I pretty much had said what you did. :-)

208 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:03:06am

Hilarious line of the night comes from Sean Hannity: "Marines still use bayonets, so maybe somebody should educate the president about how the military works." Seriously? Apparently so. Later on Hannity was crowing about the Marines using horses in Afghanistan too. This just reeks of desperation.

209 iossarian  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:05:00am

re: #208 Gus

Hilarious line of the night comes from Sean Hannity: "Marines still use bayonets, so maybe somebody should educate the president about how the military works." Seriously? Apparently so. Later on Hannity was crowing about the Marines using horses in Afghanistan too. This just reeks of desperation.

Because of course all those right-wing draft dodgers are experts in how the military functions.

210 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:06:10am

So, has anyone asked whether Romney's strategy for a vastly larger navy includes crossing the T, dreadnaughts, and amphibious assaults? /

The Navy is smaller than it's been, but mission capabilities are vastly greater with the use of cruise missiles, UAVs, and carrier forces that have more capabilities than a generation ago. The carrier fleet is starting to show its age, and replacements for the oldest carriers now active are going to be slow in coming (and the corollary to the slowing acquisition pace is that the cost per unit for new carrier increases as the shipyards lose out on economies of scale). The harsh pace of operations from 2001 and after takes its toll on equipment and manpower alike - and there is a need to rehab/refit those carriers after time away, but if you're constantly putting them into military operations, that delays work that can only happen in drydock.

Yet, there's plenty to be optimistic with the Navy. UAVs are coming to the Navy, and so too apparently are directed energy weapons (the Navy's tech department now thinks they're two years away from integrating laser weapons on board some ships that have the generating capacity to do so). Of course, those plans are also dependent on whether the funds will be there to make that happen (and sequestration may further limit integrating new tech).

Yet, if the DoD could get its way and kill the Army tank rehab that Congress wants, the DoD could then free up funds to boost the tech that the Navy wants to integrate into its fleet operations.

211 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:06:19am

McCain accuses Obama of taking 'cheap shot'

And Romney's 'apology tour' rhetoric was the height of statesmanship.
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212 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:10:03am

re: #209 iossarian

Because of course all those right-wing draft dodgers are experts in how the military functions.

Sometimes even when they're not draft dodgers. You'll get some former avionics technician that did two year in Thailand during the Viet Nam war who thinking he's a military and foreign policy expert. Most of it is the usual right-wing spew revolving around massive numbers of military hardware, known unknowns, and China, China, China.

213 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:10:54am

re: #208 Gus

Hilarious line of the night comes from Sean Hannity: "Marines still use bayonets, so maybe somebody should educate the president about how the military works." Seriously? Apparently so. Later on Hannity was crowing about the Marines using horses in Afghanistan too. This just reeks of desperation.

Didn't you see the footage of Bush II riding onto that carrier wielding a bayonet under that "Mission Accomplished" banner?
///

Sheesh. Talk about reaching. And I see the Pentagon is spending billions on horse farms and metallurgy research into bladed weapons.

214 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:12:25am
215 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:13:20am

re: #210 lawhawk

We need bigger ships and bigger planes!

//

216 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:47am

re: #208 Gus

217 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:11am

re: #216 lawhawk

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Proof!

218 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:34am

Mornin' everyone...well, we now know why Mitt Romney keeps posing with miners...powering the steam rooms in all those ships he wants our navy to have is going to take a lot of coal.

219 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:25:22am

So, are CNN and Fox still calling last night's baseball game a tie.

220 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:29:55am

re: #219 darthstar

So, are CNN and Fox still calling last night's baseball game a tie.

Has anyone gotten a workable function yet to describe at least the range of the variable "Romney"?

Or is Sigma (1, Romney) = infinity?

221 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:31:40am

Is Iran land locked: mostly true.
-- Politifact

222 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:35:44am

re: #220 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Has anyone gotten a workable function yet to describe at least the range of the variable "Romney"?

Or is Sigma (1, Romney) = infinity?

Romney is best described by the square root of negative one. He's one, and he's negative one...at the same time. And as President Obama illustrated, his positions are all imaginary (just like his numbers on taxes)

223 iossarian  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:03am

re: #221 Gus

Is Iran land locked: mostly true.
-- Politifact

Jeepers. I actually had to check that you're joking.

224 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:13am

Mitt Romney’s Nonsensical Middle-East Geography

225 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:33am

re: #221 Gus

Is Iran land locked: mostly true.
-- Politifact

Yeah...so is Mexico.
/

226 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:37am

re: #222 darthstar

Romney is best described by the square root of negative one. He's one, and he's negative one...at the same time. And as President Obama illustrated, his positions are all imaginary (just like his numbers on taxes)

So Romney is "i". That somehow sounds correct. Though I expect he will insist on being capitalized if elected.

227 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:37:23am

re: #225 darthstar

Yeah...so is Mexico.
/

Same issue as Cassablanca. People go to Acapulco for the waters.
/

228 iossarian  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:37:24am

Syria is Iran's "route to the Costa del Sol".

Truefact.

229 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:40:28am

re: #223 iossarian

Jeepers. I actually had to check that you're joking.

It was some bologna from WaPo's fact checker Glenn Kessler...

The fact that Romney has used this confusing phrase at least five times suggested that the term was not an accident. But the Romney campaign’s explanation is not especially satisfying.

Still, at this point, we don’t think this is worthy of a Pinocchio rating — unless we create a category for weird language. We welcome readers to help us watch if Romney says this again.

230 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:40:44am

re: #225 darthstar

And Syria (despite having the Med port city of Tartus (where the Soviets Russians have a base). /

231 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:42:36am

Since Romney misspoke before and we have no idea what he was talking about we hereby rate this statement as UNDECIDED.
-- Glenn Kessler

Derp.

232 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:42:55am

re: #229 Gus

It was some bologna from WaPo's fact checker Glenn Kessler...

Only five times...if he keeps saying it we may start to think he actually doesn't know better, but we'll give him a couple more weeks to get his shit together AND LOOK AT A FUCKING ATLAS! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MITT YOU'RE KILLING US HERE!!!...

...anyway, where were we?

233 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:43:01am

re: #229 Gus

The only way that makes sense is if the sea Romney's talking about is the Med. But he keeps sticking with sea, which makes one think he doesn't understand Middle East geography or is at least unclear with the concept that Iran could potentially directly supply Lebanese terror groups by ship.

234 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:44:16am

re: #232 darthstar

Only five times...if he keeps saying it we may start to think he actually doesn't know better, but we'll give him a couple more weeks to get his shit together AND LOOK AT A FUCKING ATLAS! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MITT YOU'RE KILLING US HERE!!!...

...anyway, where were we?

Bayonets and horses.

235 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:45:26am

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236 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:45:52am

re: #234 Gus

Bayonets and horses.

Should just go straight to unicorns and simplify the procurement process.

237 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:46:33am

re: #236 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Should just go straight to unicorns and simplify the procurement process.

We also have available the tricorn and the manicorn.

//

238 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:47:25am
#debatesRomney wins this debate by holding his own and showing that he is not reckless and irresponsible and won't get us into a war — Dick Morris (@DickMorrisTweet) October 23, 2012

Huh, what? No war with Mittens? No more liberator? /

239 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:49:17am

re: #237 Gus

We also have available the tricorn and the manicorn.

//

I thought the tricorns were made into hats and the manicorn into pasta.
;)

240 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:50:19am

What does it mean to "win a debate"? Supporters of either side will almost always deem their guy to be the winner. A more objective view of "who won" is to ask, whose chances of winning the election went up?

On Intrade, Obama's chances are down a few percent today, compared to the numbers right before the last debate.

It's a surprise to me, because I figured Romney hurt himself with that remark about Syria being Iran's access to the sea. But if the public at large "don't know much about geography", they won't expect Romney to, either.

241 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:50:24am

Someone is probably gathering up all the Obama fact checks as we type and getting ready to paste them up here any second now.

//

242 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:51:00am

re: #229 Gus

"Weird language"?

A) Iran's 'route to the sea' are its ports that are on, you know, the sea. And on the gulf.

B) Syria doesn't share a border with Iran. It's not its route to anything.

This is one of the lunacies of the fact-checkers. They sometimes evaluate statements based on 'truth' unrelated to actual goddamn physical reality.

243 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:51:47am

re: #240 lostlakehiker

What does it mean to "win a debate"? Supporters of either side will almost always deem their guy to be the winner. A more objective view of "who won" is to ask, whose chances of winning the election went up?

On Intrade, Obama's chances are down a few percent today, compared to the numbers right before the last debate.

It's a surprise to me, because I figured Romney hurt himself with that remark about Syria being Iran's access to the sea. But if the public at large "don't know much about geography", they won't expect Romney to, either.

A debate is only won when a Republican wins as perceived by a Republican voting audience. Democrats can't win debates in the eyes of Republicans.

//

244 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:52:45am

re: #229 Gus

It was some bologna from WaPo's fact checker Glenn Kessler...

Dick Morris esque.

245 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:52:50am

re: #242 Obdicut

"Weird language"?

A) Iran's 'route to the sea' are it's ports that are on, you know, the sea.

B) Syria doesn't share a border with Iran. It's not its route to anything.

This is one of the lunacies of the fact-checkers. They sometimes evaluate statements based on 'truth' unrelated to actual goddamn physical reality.

Yeah. I've joked about this before.

"Statement X can never be true therefore we find statement X to be partly true."

246 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:55:10am

Good morning lizards!

247 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:55:32am

So who won last night?

248 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:57:24am

"That which can be asserted without a fact check, can be dismissed without being fact checked."

249 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:57:28am

re: #247 NJDhockeyfan

So who won last night?

San Franscisco and the American People.

250 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:57:47am

re: #208 Gus

Hilarious line of the night comes from Sean Hannity: "Marines still use bayonets, so maybe somebody should educate the president about how the military works." Seriously? Apparently so. Later on Hannity was crowing about the Marines using horses in Afghanistan too. This just reeks of desperation.

Well, to be fair, Romney didn't complain about Obama cutting the budget for horses and bayonets. Obama, by bringing up horses and bayonets in response to Romney's point that the Navy was being scaled down to fewer ships, implicitly made the analogy that ships, for the Navy, were the equivalent of horses and bayonets. And he made it in the most insulting way possible: geez, how could you not know that warships are obsolete? Where have you been? Do you even realize that horse cavalry is obsolete?

I tend to agree partway---submarines are about the only warship that's survivable beyond a few minutes in the event of a "real" war. But almost everything we want our military for is for lesser disasters. And for fights with opponents who don't have their own modern air force or submarines, a surface navy comes in handy. Ships are not horses and bayonets. They're not chariots. They're relevant for modern gunboat diplomacy.

251 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:57:51am

re: #249 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

San Franscisco and the American People.

Don't forget the Bears!

252 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:59:38am

re: #250 lostlakehiker

Well, to be fair, Romney didn't complain about Obama cutting the budget for horses and bayonets. Obama, by bringing up horses and bayonets in response to Romney's point that the Navy was being scaled down to fewer ships, implicitly made the analogy that ships, for the Navy, were the equivalent of horses and bayonets. And he made it in the most insulting way possible: geez, how could you not know that warships are obsolete? Where have you been? Do you even realize that horse cavalry is obsolete?

I tend to agree partway---submarines are about the only warship that's survivable beyond a few minutes in the event of a "real" war. But almost everything we want our military for is for lesser disasters. And for fights with opponents who don't have their own modern air force or submarines, a surface navy comes in handy. Ships are not horses and bayonets. They're not chariots. They're relevant for modern gunboat diplomacy.

Horses and bayonets are for a land war therefore we find Obama's zinger to be mostly false.

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253 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:01:09am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ann Coulter:

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Please tell me someone forwarded this to Sarah Palin. I'm dying to see her get up in arms and completely outraged about people using 'retard' as an epithet, as she's done in the past.

254 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:01:45am

re: #250 lostlakehiker

Well, to be fair, Romney didn't complain about Obama cutting the budget for horses and bayonets. Obama, by bringing up horses and bayonets in response to Romney's point that the Navy was being scaled down to fewer ships, implicitly made the analogy that ships, for the Navy, were the equivalent of horses and bayonets. And he made it in the most insulting way possible: geez, how could you not know that warships are obsolete? Where have you been? Do you even realize that horse cavalry is obsolete?

An attack which cites top-level ship count without asserting a particular need (even of a type, never mind a specific mission) is a fundamentally unserious attack which should be swatted away with the most banal and patronizing counter-point possible. If Romney wanted to assert that we should have more tankers so we didn't have to refuel destroyers in shitholes like Aden, then that's an actual worthwhile discussion we can have. But he established the level of discourse on this point, and he can shove it if he doesn't like the counter.

Of course, the reminder as always is that trying to have these sorts of discussions on the fly in one or two minutes is a recipe for insulting bullshit. Media, you are bad at your job and you should feel bad.

255 blueraven  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:03:03am

re: #229 Gus

It was some bologna from WaPo's fact checker Glenn Kessler


The fact that Romney has used this confusing phrase at least five times suggested that the term was not an accident. But the Romney campaign’s explanation is not especially satisfying.

Still, at this point, we don’t think this is worthy of a Pinocchio rating — unless we create a category for weird language. We welcome readers to help us watch if Romney says this again.


...

Well, that was from 4/18/2012

So will they re-visit the comment now?

256 gwangung  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:03:40am

re: #254 erik_t

An attack which cites top-level ship count without asserting a particular need (even of a type, never mind a specific mission) is a fundamentally unserious attack which should be swatted away with the most banal and patronizing counter-point possible. If Romney wanted to assert that we should have more tankers so we didn't have to refuel destroyers in shitholes like Aden, then that's an actual worthwhile discussion we can have.

And it was a discussion he STILL could have had in rejoinder to the President's comment.

That is, if Romney knew what the hell what he was talking about...

257 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:04:43am

re: #255 blueraven

Well, that was from 4/18/2012

So will they re-visit the comment now?

Oops. There was another link...

Fact checking the third presidential debate

“Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea.”

— Romney

Romney says this a lot, but it is an unusual statement, considering that Syria shares no border with Iran — Iraq and Turkey are in the way — and that Iran has about 1,500 miles of coastline along the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, leading to the Arabian Sea.

Tehran certainly uses Syria to supply the militant groups Hezbollah and Hamas, but that has little to do with the water. The relationship with Syria could also effectively allow Iran to project its power to the Mediterranean and the border with Israel. But it is still an odd way to frame it.

258 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:04:57am

re: #250 lostlakehiker

Not quite. The analogy is that physical numbers of ships isn't the important thing. Quality trumps quantity; technology allows a smaller number of ships to do ever more incredible things.

UAVs now allow a constant presence over target. The Navy is scheduled to begin using UAVs from carrier ops, giving them an option that until now has been primarily Army/Air Force/CIA. Add to that the existing Navy, while smaller than it has been since before WWI is technologically superior in every way to that early US Navy. The 1916 version of the US Navy was first coming to grips with aircraft (the USS Langley was still a few years away from being converted from an oiler into the first operational carrier). Comparing the Navy now to the Navy then is beyond apples to oranges; it's apples to a completely different universe. That was the point being made.

Technology has allowed the Navy to reduce its manpower needs too - the newest Aegis ships can do more with fewer people manning those ships - all while allowing even more mission capabilities (and more flexibility).

259 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:05:09am

re: #257 Gus

Oops. There was another link...

Fact checking the third presidential debate

Wishy washy.

260 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:05:44am

re: #203 Joanne

How do we know that? What proof is there? He was moderate in MA once. I don't know if we have ANY idea what he'd govern like. He's a complete chameleon. Which makes him, IMHO, extraordinarily dangerous.

He's not that dangerous. He was a moderate in MA. He wasn't a fanatic in his roles in the Olympics or at Bain. In the primary debates, he took positions that were moderate relative to the others vying for the nomination.

And he doesn't have that cruel or crude or cold streak in private that Nixon, for example, had. Or LBJ, for that matter.

Romney is dangerous for his un-position on global warming. But that's about it. Our constitutional system limits what any president can do, and surely no one imagines that his `massive charisma' will enable him to just sweep that aside.

261 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:06:29am

re: #258 lawhawk

Not quite. The analogy is that physical numbers of ships isn't the important thing. Quality trumps quantity; technology allows a smaller number of ships to do ever more incredible things.

UAVs now allow a constant presence over target. The Navy is scheduled to begin using UAVs from carrier ops, giving them an option that until now has been primarily Army/Air Force/CIA. Add to that the existing Navy, while smaller than it has been since before WWI is technologically superior in every way to that early US Navy. The 1916 version of the US Navy was first coming to grips with aircraft (the USS Langley was still a few years away from being converted from an oiler into the first operational carrier). Comparing the Navy now to the Navy then is beyond apples to oranges; it's apples to a completely different universe. That was the point being made.

Technology has allowed the Navy to reduce its manpower needs too - the newest Aegis ships can do more with fewer people manning those ships - all while allowing even more mission capabilities (and more flexibility).

My guess would be that one modern missile cruiser would be able to destroy a WWII class carrier group on its own. Or at least chop it up pretty good.

262 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:07:33am

re: #258 lawhawk

Not quite. The analogy is that physical numbers of ships isn't the important thing. Quality trumps quantity; technology allows a smaller number of ships to do ever more incredible things.

UAVs now allow a constant presence over target. The Navy is scheduled to begin using UAVs from carrier ops, giving them an option that until now has been primarily Army/Air Force/CIA. Add to that the existing Navy, while smaller than it has been since before WWI is technologically superior in every way to that early US Navy. The 1916 version of the US Navy was first coming to grips with aircraft (the USS Langley was still a few years away from being converted from an oiler into the first operational carrier). Comparing the Navy now to the Navy then is beyond apples to oranges; it's apples to a completely different universe. That was the point being made.

Technology has allowed the Navy to reduce its manpower needs too - the newest Aegis ships can do more with fewer people manning those ships - all while allowing even more mission capabilities (and more flexibility).

If Obama had said what you just said, he'd have put the election to bed.

263 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:07:45am

re: #258 lawhawk

Not quite. The analogy is that physical numbers of ships isn't the important thing. Quality trumps quantity; technology allows a smaller number of ships to do ever more incredible things.

UAVs now allow a constant presence over target. The Navy is scheduled to begin using UAVs from carrier ops, giving them an option that until now has been primarily Army/Air Force/CIA. Add to that the existing Navy, while smaller than it has been since before WWI is technologically superior in every way to that early US Navy. The 1916 version of the US Navy was first coming to grips with aircraft (the USS Langley was still a few years away from being converted from an oiler into the first operational carrier). Comparing the Navy now to the Navy then is beyond apples to oranges; it's apples to a completely different universe. That was the point being made.

Technology has allowed the Navy to reduce its manpower needs too - the newest Aegis ships can do more with fewer people manning those ships - all while allowing even more mission capabilities (and more flexibility).

That's apparently too nuanced for some people to grasp.

264 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:09:20am

re: #240 lostlakehiker

What does it mean to "win a debate"? Supporters of either side will almost always deem their guy to be the winner. A more objective view of "who won" is to ask, whose chances of winning the election went up?

On Intrade, Obama's chances are down a few percent today, compared to the numbers right before the last debate.

It's a surprise to me, because I figured Romney hurt himself with that remark about Syria being Iran's access to the sea. But if the public at large "don't know much about geography", they won't expect Romney to, either.

Of course the partisans will always think their side won. The snap polls I've seen this morning give a slight edge to Obama but what really counts is how much effect the debate will have on undecideds. I don't think last night was a blow out but Obama probably did well enough to register a "win".

265 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:10:02am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Of course the partisans will always think their side won. The snap polls I've seen this morning give a slight edge to Obama but what really counts is how much effect the debate will have on undecideds. I don't think last night was a blow out but Obama probably did well enough to register a "win".

Thanks for admitting that most liberals aren't partisan.

266 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:13:31am

The primary winner starts getting high level security/agency briefings by this time, unless some things I have read are wrong. The following (to me) looks like the impact of the reality stick via real data-I think Romney has been taken to school a bit, gulped and took it, finally. I seem to recall a change in Obamas tone after he started getting those briefings last time around. EDIT Not to compliment Romney, just watching the dynamics in play as best I can.


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One issue on which the two men no longer seem to disagree is pulling out all U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. Romney had previously criticized the president for setting a date, and later modified his position to say he agreed with the president’s timeline but would be guided by military commanders and events “on the ground.” This time, he dropped all qualifiers and said flatly, “[W]hen I’m president, we’ll make sure we bring our troops out by the end of 2014.”

267 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:14:21am

just kicked another 10 bucks to Obama.

268 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:16:47am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Of course the partisans will always think their side won. The snap polls I've seen this morning give a slight edge to Obama but what really counts is how much effect the debate will have on undecideds. I don't think last night was a blow out but Obama probably did well enough to register a "win".

That is correct. I don't think this debate will affect most of the undecideds to swing one way or the other. The economy has been at the top for some time.

269 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:17:00am

re: #260 lostlakehiker

He's not that dangerous. He was a moderate in MA. He wasn't a fanatic in his roles in the Olympics or at Bain. In the primary debates, he took positions that were moderate relative to the others vying for the nomination.

And he doesn't have that cruel or crude or cold streak in private that Nixon, for example, had. Or LBJ, for that matter.

Romney is dangerous for his un-position on global warming. But that's about it. Our constitutional system limits what any president can do, and surely no one imagines that his `massive charisma' will enable him to just sweep that aside.

I pray we never have the opportunity to find out how wrong you are.

Just look at the people he's surrounded himself with (e.g., Bolton, Bork), and consider what he'd do with the opportunity to appoint one or more Supreme Court Justices. And, if it came to that, that he'd most likely be a rubber-stamp for the worst Republican excesses in Congress.

He was a moderate in Mass. only because (a) it was Mass., and he had to win the election in the first place, and (b) he had constant pushback from an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature.

270 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:18:46am

re: #260 lostlakehiker

In the primary debates, he took positions that were moderate relative to the others vying for the nomination.

You must have watched different debates than the ones I saw. There were no moderate positions, relative to anything. They were beauty contests for the political equivalent of Heathers - whoever could be the meanest prick in the pack was the winner.

Who won? The meanest prick in the pack.

271 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:18:51am

re: #260 lostlakehiker

He's not that dangerous. He was a moderate in MA.

This is not at all true. Can you explain how someone with a record number of vetos of the Democratic-majority bills is a moderate?

272 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:19:26am

I wonder what this guy was intending to do?

273 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:20:41am

I always enjoy stealth non-partisan partisans pretending to be non-partisan.

//

274 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:22:59am

re: #260 lostlakehiker

He's not that dangerous. He was a moderate in MA. He wasn't a fanatic in his roles in the Olympics or at Bain. In the primary debates, he took positions that were moderate relative to the others vying for the nomination.

And he doesn't have that cruel or crude or cold streak in private that Nixon, for example, had. Or LBJ, for that matter.

Romney is dangerous for his un-position on global warming. But that's about it. Our constitutional system limits what any president can do, and surely no one imagines that his `massive charisma' will enable him to just sweep that aside.

He is a shapeshifter. He is whatever the group he is currently pandering to wants him to be.

275 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:24:00am

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder what this guy was intending to do?

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Not a good day in the region
IDF officer critically wounded in blast near Gaza

276 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:27:19am

re: #250 lostlakehiker

Well, to be fair, Romney didn't complain about Obama cutting the budget for horses and bayonets. Obama, by bringing up horses and bayonets in response to Romney's point that the Navy was being scaled down to fewer ships, implicitly made the analogy that ships, for the Navy, were the equivalent of horses and bayonets. And he made it in the most insulting way possible: geez, how could you not know that warships are obsolete? Where have you been? Do you even realize that horse cavalry is obsolete?

I tend to agree partway---submarines are about the only warship that's survivable beyond a few minutes in the event of a "real" war. But almost everything we want our military for is for lesser disasters. And for fights with opponents who don't have their own modern air force or submarines, a surface navy comes in handy. Ships are not horses and bayonets. They're not chariots. They're relevant for modern gunboat diplomacy.

Holy fuck did you miss the point.

The point was, very simply, that war has changed since WWI - using advanced technology means having more, or as many, warships as they did almost 100 years ago is no longer necessary.

Nowhere does that say warships are obsolete. It says that each of the warships currently used is far more powerful than any in the past. Aircraft carriers are likely the most powerful of all, and the US has more ACs than the rest of the world combined.

277 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:27:52am

Last bayonet charge was in the Korean war.

278 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:28:12am

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Not a good day in the region
IDF officer critically wounded in blast near Gaza

I have a feeling this is going to be a harder attack than a few missiles aimed at the terrorists.

...Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, speaking at the beginning of a meeting with visiting Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev, vowed that Israel's response to the bomb attack would be "very hard."

279 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:28:48am

In Jerusalem, Carter Derides Netanyahu and Obama

“I don’t think there’s any doubt that Netanyahu has decided the one-state option is the one he’s going to pursue,” Mr. Carter said, despite Mr. Netanyahu’s professed commitment to two states, notably in a 2009 speech at Bar Ilan University.

As for Mr. Obama, a fellow Democrat, the former president said, “The U.S. government policy the last two to three years has basically been a rapid withdrawal from any kind of controversy.”

He added: “Every president has been a very powerful factor here in advocating this two-state solution. That is now not apparent.”

Mr. Carter was here with the former prime minister of Norway, Gro Harlem Brundtland, and the former president of Ireland, Mary Robinson, on behalf of the Elders, a group of 10 left-leaning éminences grises convened by Nelson Mandela in 2007 that aims to promote human rights and world peace by, according to its Web site, “speaking difficult truths and tackling taboos.”

280 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:32:40am

re: #277 Gus

Last bayonet charge was in the Korean war.

By the US. The Brits are still leading bayonet charges, for which a few of their soldiers have won medals in recent wars.

281 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:33:13am

re: #277 Gus

Last bayonet charge was in the Korean war.

These are still in use.

The M6 bayonet-knife is used as a bayonet on the M14 series rifle and as a hand weapon. The M7 bayonet-knife is used as a bayonet on the M16 series rifle, the M4 carbine and as a hand weapon. The M9 multipurpose bayonet system is used as a bayonet on the M16 series rifle, on the M4 series carbine, as a hand weapon, as a general field and utility knife as well as a wire cutter together with its scabbard, and as a saw.

282 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:35:01am

re: #261 Gus

An Aegis cruiser could potentially engage a WWII fleet carrier OTH (assuming that satellite intel was available) and beyond the flight range of the carrier's aircraft (Hellcats, Wildcats, etc.), to GPS target the carrier and engage with Tomahawks. It would never have to see the ships, let alone use its single five inch gun mount.

A single US nuclear sub (improved Los Angeles/Virginia/Seawolf) would likely take out an entire WWII era task force likely without ever being seen. It could hit it with Tomahawks (again using GPS targeting) or it could slip inside the destroyer picket and hit the carriers and other capital ships.

283 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:35:01am

re: #280 Targetpractice

By the US. The Brits are still leading bayonet charges, for which a few of their soldiers have won medals in recent wars.

They sure are. Here is the latest one...

Soldier who led Afghanistan bayonet charge into hail of bullets honoured

A soldier who led a bayonet charge across 260ft of open ground through Taliban gunfire has been given the Military Cross.

284 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:35:05am

re: #277 Gus

Last bayonet charge was in the Korean war.

Last horse cavalry battle was in Afghanistan.

285 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:13am

re: #284 Sheila Broflovski

Last horse cavalry battle was in Afghanistan.

That's how we won the Iraq War. With bayonet charges and horse drawn cavalry units.

286 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:16am

re: #281 NJDhockeyfan

We don't really need to invest a lot of money in 'em, though. Obama's point is pretty clear, and quite apt: Romney's ignorance on military matters mistakes quantity for quality.

287 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:32am

Wait! I found a cavalry charge! Obama's wrong.

//

288 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:53am

re: #285 Gus

That's how we won the Iraq War. With bayonet charges and horse drawn cavalry units.

The Dutch of Grand Fenwick conquered the US with just longbows, after all.

289 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:37:04am

re: #285 Gus

That's how we won the Iraq War. With bayonet charges and horse drawn cavalry units.

Yep, just like the Polish in WWII! Charging valiantly at those German panzers!

///

290 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:37:40am

Sea!

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

291 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:37:45am

Trump loses his shit (again)

“This is the worst foreign policy in history,” the reality star opined. “I got a kick before when he was saying, he’s the more experienced person, meaning Obama. It’s the worst foreign policy in history. The Middle East is crumbling down and they hate us. We’ve spent trillions of dollars — we spent 1.5 trillion in Iraq and Iraq is going to hell. They all hate us, not to mention the lives that we lost. The lives that we lost in the Middle East, it is the greatest disaster.”
Raw Story ([Link: s.tt...]

Hyperbole much? Sedate that mofo, post haste.

292 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:38:18am

US special forces land in Afghanistan, well-supplied.

Image: fenwick2.jpg

293 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:38:28am

Why do so many have such a problem understanding so simple a point?

I be much frustrated. :(

294 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:38:51am

re: #291 makeitstop

I love that he's complaining about the amount of money spent in Iraq. Um... yeah. That really wasn't so much Obama, the whole Iraq thing.

295 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:38:54am

re: #291 makeitstop

Trump loses his shit (again)

Hyperbole much? Sedate that mofo, post haste.

Trump's mad about Iraq? Hmmm perhaps you should be mad at the president who started that war and your candidate who thinks it's terrible that we've withdrawn many troops from there.

296 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:39:09am
“Frankly, I don’t understand why the president wants to take these kind of cheap shots – bayonets and horses, what’s that all about?”

John McCain, who obviously has fond memories of horses and bayonets...

297 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:39:52am

re: #286 Obdicut

We don't really need to invest a lot of money in 'em, though. Obama's point is pretty clear, and quite apt: Romney's ignorance on military matters mistakes quantity for quality.

His ignorance isn't exclusive, it's something that defense contractors use to pray on Congress critters. Call them up and express "concern" over how there's not as many cruisers as the other guy has, not as many destroyers, and how this leaves a "gap" that means America's weaker than its enemies. Then sell a bigger fleet by playing up how many jobs will be created with all that ship construction, jobs that constituents will be ever so happy for.

298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:39:55am

re: #296 Mocking Jay

John McCain, who obviously has fond memories of horses and bayonets...

I don't know Senator McCain maybe the fact that your party's candidate is ignorant as hell when it comes to foreign policy and the military.

299 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:40:01am

re: #292 Obdicut

US special forces land in Afghanistan, well-supplied.

Image: fenwick2.jpg

Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousnes!

300 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:11am

re: #291 makeitstop

Trump loses his shit (again)

Hyperbole much? Sedate that mofo, post haste.

Um, didn't the Cheney/Rove/Bush axis start the war in Iraq?

301 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:14am

re: #297 Targetpractice

His ignorance isn't exclusive, it's something that defense contractors use to pray on Congress critters. Call them up and express "concern" over how there's not as many cruisers as the other guy has, not as many destroyers, and how this leaves a "gap" that means America's weaker than its enemies. Then sell a bigger fleet by playing up how many jobs will be created with all that ship construction, jobs that constituents will be ever so happy for.

The salt mine gap is the most dangerous one of all mind you.
/

302 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:30am

re: #297 Targetpractice

Gentlemen, we have a doomsday gap!

303 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:37am

re: #300 Gangnam Style

Um, didn't the Cheney/Rove/Bush axis start the war in Iraq?

STOP BLAMING BUSH! (yes)

304 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:00am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

STOP BLAMING BUSH! (yes)

But CARTER!

305 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:08am

Dear Fox News: A little punctuation goes a long way...

Bill Maher on Bush and Cheney, Chyron-mangled

306 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:43:02am

In final debate, Obama zips one-liners at Romney — but will it get him votes?

Bright neon flashing butt hurt from Fox.

Obama's bayonets zinger was brilliant.

307 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:43:43am

re: #305 makeitstop

Dear Fox News: A little punctuation goes a long way...

Bill Maher on Bush and Cheney, Chyron-mangled

Maher probably said it like that.

I would have.

308 iossarian  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:44:35am

re: #294 Obdicut

I love that he's complaining about the amount of money spent in Iraq. Um... yeah. That really wasn't so much Obama, the whole Iraq thing.

The left has been pointing out that spending trillions of dollars on invading Iraq was really stupid and would lead to Iraqis hating us for a while now. Nice to see Trump come on board, even if he is a bit confused about who the architects of that particular policy were...

309 iossarian  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:45:03am

biab

310 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:45:06am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ann Coulter:

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Oh how nice.
Mitt must have given Ann a pat on the head and said, "Now did you write a book all by yourself? I'll hang it on the fridge so everyone can see it!"

311 blueraven  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:45:15am

re: #287 Gus

Wait! I found a cavalry charge! Obama's wrong.

//

Especially since he said we have fewer horses and bayonets.
/

312 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:45:19am

re: #306 Kronocide

In final debate, Obama zips one-liners at Romney — but will it get him votes?

Bright neon flashing butt hurt from Fox.

Obama's bayonets zinger was brilliant.

These debates are sound bite-driven. If Obama had cited facts and figures, he would have caught shit for being too 'professorial.'

He delivered a sound bite, and it's sticking. Mission accomplished.

313 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:49:59am

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

...“Booing a 9-year-old girl?” co-host Willie Geist said. “Clean it up.”

“Booing a 9-year-old girl, a lot of these people must have come down from Philly or something,” Time magazine’s Joe Klein added.

314 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:50:35am

Tucker

315 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:54:35am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

Aww, at first it didn't look that bad but the little girl seemed kind of upset at the end. Oh well, toughen up kid. Consider it a life lesson.

316 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:54:44am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

Breaking. That wasn't an MSNBC audience. Just bullshit from Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller by some wingnut named Jeff Poor.

317 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:11am

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Aww, at first it didn't look that bad but the little girl seemed kind of upset at the end. Oh well, toughen up kid. Consider it a life lesson.

Image: Twitchy-Malkin.gif

318 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:30am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

Where's the video?

Nevermind, it reloaded.

319 blueraven  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:36am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

Pretty stupid, but I doubt they will follow her home and peer in her window unlike some "journalist" on the right.

Crowd mentality.

320 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:55am

re: #318 Kronocide

Where's the video?

Disable your script blocker.

321 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:56:25am

re: #319 blueraven

Pretty stupid, but I doubt they will follow her home and peer in her window unlike some "journalist" on the right.

Crowd mentality.

Couple of people booed in the background. It turned into "MSNBC audience" at Daily Caller. Cough, cough, cough. Outrage!

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322 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:56:58am

re: #321 Gus

Couple of people booed in the background. It turned into "MSNBC audience" at Daily Caller. Cough, cough, cough. Outrage!

Image: Twitchy-Malkin.gif

GAH! Not the gif! Keep it away!

323 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:57:18am

re: #322 Targetpractice

GAH! Not the gif! Keep it away!

You're lost in her eyes.

324 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:57:30am

Game changer!

325 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:57:47am

re: #320 Killgore Trout

Disable your script blocker.

NJD should disable his Outrage Amplifier.

326 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:57:55am

Anyhow, it's fucked up to boo a kid but seems like Carlson is using this to push his agenda so fuck him too.

327 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:58:22am

I watched MSNBC this morning.
Honestly, I didn't notice the booing until Joe S. pointed it out.
But I guess it only takes one dick in the crowd to ruin a party.

328 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:59:37am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, it's fucked up to boo a kid but seems like Carlson is using this to push his agenda so fuck him too.

I heard Cee Lo Green when I read that.

329 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:00:00am

I still remember my first political conversation. I was probably in first or second grade and a friend asked me if I was rooting for Carter or Ford. I chose Carter because I thought everybody should have a turn at being President.

330 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:00:10am

re: #328 wrenchwench

I heard Cee Lo Green when I read that.

Hahaha.

331 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:00:28am

Ironic that this story of an 'MSNBC audience booing 9 yr old' has a link box to Jim Treacher right next to it. One the most childishly antagonistic and petty right wing bloggers out there.

332 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:01:26am

re: #331 Kronocide

Ironic that this story of an 'MSNBC audience booing 9 yr old' has a link box to Jim Treacher right next to it. One the most childishly antagonistic and petty right wing bloggers out there.

Scroll down some more and you'll find Ann Coulter.

333 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:02:20am

re: #332 Gus

Boo! That's right, I went there, I booed Ann. . .morning all:)

334 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:04:11am

The wingnuts seem to have fallen back to the ol' "didn't shit pants on TV" argument that so long as Willard avoided a major snafu last night, he'd "win" because he'd "keep the momentum going." And really, that says something sad about our elections, that you can be seen as "winning" if you avoid major embarrassment. So long as you can muddle your way through a debate while trying to sound "presidential," you can be taken seriously as a candidate.

335 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:04:13am

re: #331 Kronocide

Ironic that this story of an 'MSNBC audience booing 9 yr old' has a link box to Jim Treacher right next to it. One the most childishly antagonistic and petty right wing bloggers out there.

That's not irony. That's DC.

336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:04:29am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

Not a native of Philly, but live here and think Joe Klein should just STFU.

337 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:05:50am

re: #336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Not a native of Philly, but live here and think Joe Klein should just STFU.

You guys booed Santa!

/group blame exception only for Philly.

338 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:05:55am

re: #336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Philly is a tough town to to visit to play pro football in. . .just saying

339 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:06:05am

I'm not reading anything that Coulter writes cause I'm afraid I may go blind, but she's the last person to lecture anyone on proper behavior.
Freakin' Medusa.

340 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:06:22am

re: #336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Not a native of Philly, but live here and think Joe Klein should just STFU.

Irony. From July.

Joe Klein On Morning Joe: Obama Bain Attacks Echo Lee Atwater’s Willie Horton Smear Campaign

Seriously? Bain = Willie Horton? This from a former Lee Atwater media suck up? Spare me.

341 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:07:23am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

I still remember my first political conversation. I was probably in first or second grade and a friend asked me if I was rooting for Carter or Ford. I chose Carter because I thought everybody should have a turn at being President.

I voted for Eugene McCarthy that time. My first presidential election.

342 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:08:21am

re: #337 Obdicut

343 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:09:00am

Pathetic Faux Fact Check:

Obama line about horses, bayonets fails fact-check

Obama says '... we have less horses and bayonets.' So they 'fact check' Obama to clarify that the armed forces still have horses and bayonets. Case in point?

The Daily Caller won a prestigious Edward R. Murrow award this year for a war report about the American soldiers who — riding on horseback — were the first U.S. forces to fight in Afghanistan after the 9/11 terror attacks. (RELATED VIDEO: Secret mission: The Horse Soldiers of 9/11)

This is a factoid presented as something entirely different than what it is. Saying 'less' does not equal 'none.' The logical disconnect so glaringly deficient it's hard to understand how it can be taken seriously.

344 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:10:02am

re: #343 Kronocide

Pathetic Faux Fact Check:

Obama line about horses, bayonets fails fact-check

Obama says '... we have less horses and bayonets.' So they 'fact check' Obama to clarify that the armed forces still have horses and bayonets. Case in point?

This is a factoid presented as something entirely different than what it is. Saying 'less' does not equal 'none.' The logical disconnect so glaringly deficient it's hard to understand how it can be taken seriously.

Oh jeez. I'm already reaching wingnut overload this morning.

345 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:10:17am

re: #342 DisturbedEma

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

My link thingy is not working- Boo Santa link above

346 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:11:17am

re: #340 Gus

Defies logic and any sort of rational thought. . .insane

347 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:11:28am

re: #343 Kronocide

Pathetic Faux Fact Check:

Obama line about horses, bayonets fails fact-check

Obama says '... we have less horses and bayonets.' So they 'fact check' Obama to clarify that the armed forces still have horses and bayonets. Case in point?

This is a factoid presented as something entirely different than what it is. Saying 'less' does not equal 'none.' The logical disconnect so glaringly deficient it's hard to understand how it can be taken seriously.

There are certain things that honestly can't be fact checked and that line really is one of them. Obama was making a point about how the nature of warfare has changed. We still do have cavalry troops and Obama pointed that out but his larger point was that warfare has changed since 1917.

348 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:11:31am

MOAR MITTFAIL

349 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:11:47am

re: #344 Gus

Oh jeez. I'm already reaching wingnut overload this morning.

Have some antidote:

350 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:12:20am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC audience boos 9-year-old girl for saying she thinks Romney should win the election [VIDEO]

That's all you have?
Try harder.

351 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:13:46am

re: #288 Obdicut

The Dutch of Grand Fenwick conquered the US with just longbows, after all.

When did the Dutch take control of Grand Fenwick????

352 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:13:51am

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Aww, at first it didn't look that bad but the little girl seemed kind of upset at the end. Oh well, toughen up kid. Consider it a life lesson.

Yah, her smile, and her mother's smile said it all.

353 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:14:42am

re: #337 Obdicut

You guys booed Santa!

/group blame exception only for Philly.

Yea, fans in Philly are a bit rowdy at times. And the Santa incident (1968) is from before Jimmy Carter became President, so that is now invalid as an argument. ;)

The passion of the Philly sports fan (combined with a sort of built-in inferiority complex) is one reason that sports radio around here is particularly inane and stupid. Though I think sports radio in general is a fertile ground for idiots to spout off regardless of the location.

354 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:14:45am

re: #319 blueraven

Pretty stupid, but I doubt they will follow her home and peer in her window unlike some "journalist" on the right.

Crowd mentality.

The crowd was teasing the little girl. Just like the host who asked her the question.

355 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:15:01am

re: #348 Sheila Broflovski

MOAR MITTFAIL

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I hate avatars that move.

356 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:15:41am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, it's fucked up to boo a kid but seems like Carlson is using this to push his agenda so fuck him too.

Carlson's a desperate wanna-be has-been.

357 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:16:01am

re: #343 Kronocide

Pathetic Faux Fact Check:

This is a factoid presented as something entirely different than what it is. Saying 'less' does not equal 'none.' The logical disconnect so glaringly deficient it's hard to understand how it can be taken seriously.

Yeah, I pointed out earlier that RWNJs are interpreting the word 'fewer' as meaning 'none.'

Thin gruel, even for stupid people.

358 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:16:02am

re: #349 wrenchwench

Have some antidote:

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Should be Confederate troops though.

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359 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:17:04am

re: #358 Gus

Should be Confederate troops though.

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Make one! Tweet it to that guy!

360 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:17:37am

re: #357 makeitstop

Yeah, I pointed out earlier that RWNJs are interpreting the word 'fewer' as meaning 'none.'

Thin gruel, even for stupid people.

The funniest is seeing Romney's surrogates get "outraged" at what Obama said and claim he was disrespecting the troops. Really, your candidate is the man who compared his sons' helping his campaign to military service and you're playing that card with us?

361 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:18:18am

re: #343 Kronocide

Pathetic Faux Fact Check:

It's Daily Caller. Pathetic is what they do.

362 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:19:00am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

The funniest is seeing Romney's surrogates get "outraged" at what Obama said and claim he was disrespecting the troops. Really, your candidate is the man who compared his sons' helping his campaign to military service and you're playing that card with us?

They lost any sense of shame years ago.

363 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:19:45am

I was saying "Boo-urns"!

364 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:19:50am

re: #345 DisturbedEma

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

My link thingy is not working- Boo Santa link above

Philly fans have a history of cheering at games too...

Philadelphia fans criticized for reaction to Irvin injury

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- They brawl, boo and hurl batteries and snowballs. Philadelphia fans have earned their reputation as among the most surly in sports.

By cheering Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay motionless on the turf Sunday with a neck injury, the fans brought the city's reputation for boorishness to new lows. It disgusted even those who thought they had seen it all in the "City of Brotherly Love."

"Unspeakable, even for us," proclaimed a headline in the Philadelphia Daily News.

...Many fans in the crowd of 66,669 cheered when they realized Irvin was hurt, and again when paramedics wheeled a stretcher onto the field. Many also cheered respectfully when he was placed in an ambulance, but the damage was done.

Philly fans cheer Noah's injury

365 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:20:34am

re: #361 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

It's Daily Caller. Pathetic is what they do.

They should be called the Daily Wanker. It's what makes wingnuts crow.

366 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:20:37am

re: #362 Reverend Mother Ramallo

They lost any sense of shame years ago.

That's true.

367 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:22:42am

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

Oh yes, there is that too. . .

368 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:24:41am

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

I've been to Philly several times, but never to a sporting event, so I can honestly say that my time there was very nice, most of the people I met were nice, if not polite, and I had a good time.

369 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:25:53am

re: #365 Kronocide

unseemly, tawdry, mental image generated. . .thanks for that:)

370 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:26:11am

re: #368 DisturbedEma

I've been to Philly several times, but never to a sporting event, so I can honestly say that my time there was very nice, most of the people I met were nice, if not polite, and I had a good time.

Philadelphia phans: when there's not a game, they boo the crack in the Liberty Bell.

371 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:26:12am

re: #368 DisturbedEma

I've been to Philly several times, but never to a sporting event, so I can honestly say that my time there was very nice, most of the people I met were nice, if not polite, and I had a good time.

Don't wear a Cowboy's shirt at any Eagles games. I don't think the nice ones go there.

372 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:28:35am

re: #359 wrenchwench

Make one! Tweet it to that guy!

373 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:29:18am

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

That's the not polite part of my visits- I wore my Packer jersey. . .:)

374 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:29:54am

re: #370 Sheila Broflovski

Philadelphia phans: when there's not a game, they boo the crack in the Liberty Bell.

What's the difference between an Philadelphia Eagles fan and a carp?

One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

375 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:30:54am
376 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:30:55am

re: #372 Gus

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Retweeted!

You wield your twitter account like a sharp bayonet!!

377 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:31:37am

re: #376 wrenchwench

Retweeted!

You wield your twitter account like a sharp bayonet!!

Thanks!

378 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:31:54am

Romney winning the Gallop Poll in a Bayonet Charge!

379 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:32:23am

re: #378 Kronocide

Romney winning the Gallop Poll in a Bayonet Charge!

The Gish Gallop failed last night.

380 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:32:49am

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

Assholes (Kansas City)
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Assholes (Montreal)
[Link: www.moviefancentral.com...]

I think it's a wider phenomena than just Philadelphia.

And in general supports my claim that the problem is *assholes*, not any particular cult, group, etc. that they necessarily associate with.

381 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:32:58am

re: #344 Gus

Oh jeez. I'm already reaching wingnut overload this morning.

This is their busy season...

382 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:33:23am

A complete and utter Meme O Rama. Brings a tear of joy to my eye.

383 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:33:23am

re: #380 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I would have to agree

384 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:33:37am

Did you know that the US Navy doesn't have an colliers anymore? Can you believe that? We had dozens in 1917 and none today! Damn that Obama!!

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385 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:35:26am

The Army's budget for pitards has been decimated under Obama.

386 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:35:53am

re: #374 NJDhockeyfan

What's the difference between an Philadelphia Eagles fan and a carp?

One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

By the transitive property of equality, this would seem to indicate that all Eagles fans are lawyers.

387 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:36:03am

re: #375 Gus

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Ah, it seems Malkin is putting together her usual list of death threat tweets. Secret Service is going to have to open a twitter branch just to deal with the idiots posting stupid shit.

388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:36:27am

re: #368 DisturbedEma

I've been to Philly several times, but never to a sporting event, so I can honestly say that my time there was very nice, most of the people I met were nice, if not polite, and I had a good time.

I've been to sporting events there.

The football crowds are fairly rowdy, especially as you get up into the cheap seats. Also fairly abusive in what they yell at the field, plus some that will be abusive towards those wearing opposition jerseys.

The baseball crowds are pretty friendly and polite from what I've seen.

The hockey fans are somewhere in between, though I've only seen fans starting fights with fans wearing opposition jerseys at Flyers games so far.

Can't comment on the Sixers since I am not a pro basketball fan. The college basketball fans are fairly calm outside of the student sections.

389 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:40:40am

re: #388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Home games in Green Bay are pretty civil, even when we are playing the Bears. There can be a few boorish assholes, but for the most part, it is pretty fun and drama free. They stop serving beer at the end of the 3rd quarter, so that may be one reason;)

Miller Park is a different story when the Cubs visit. . .there are always Cub fans who mock up a Wrigley Field North banner or 5 and parade around the parking lot with them:)

390 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:41:29am

And the US Navy also doesn't have battleships anymore! They were our fleet's backbone in 1917! How can you have a US Navy with no battleships!?

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391 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:42:12am

re: #380 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Assholes (Kansas City)
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Assholes (Montreal)
[Link: www.moviefancentral.com...]

I think it's a wider phenomena than just Philadelphia.

And in general supports my claim that the problem is *assholes*, not any particular cult, group, etc. that they necessarily associate with.

That is true but Philly has a reputation. When you have to place a judge and a jail at the stadium during home games you have issues far and above the rest of the league.

392 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:42:39am

re: #388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I can't comment on the Bucks, since I do not follow basketball either:) We have the Milwaukee Admirals hockey team, and the games are pretty tame, lots of family night specials and the like. . .

393 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:44:19am

re: #390 Targetpractice

And the US Navy also doesn't have battleships anymore! They were our fleet's backbone in 1917! How can you have a US Navy with no battleships!?

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The Army gave up way too soon on this concept:

In the United States, the most extensive experimentation on bicycle units was carried out by a 1st Lieutenant Moss, of the 25th United States Infantry (Colored) (an African American infantry regiment with white officers). Using a variety of cycle models, Lt. Moss and his troops carried out extensive bicycle journeys covering between 500 and 1,000 miles (800 to 1,600 km). Late in the 19th century, the United States Army tested the bicycle's suitability for cross-country troop transport. Buffalo Soldiers stationed in Montana rode bicycles across roadless landscapes for hundreds of miles at high speed.

Image: Bicycle1L.jpg

394 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:47:40am

re: #393 wrenchwench

The Army gave up way too soon on this concept:

Image: Bicycle1L.jpg

Bicycles will never be capable of travelling cross country.

395 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:48:05am

re: #393 wrenchwench

The Army gave up way too soon on this concept:

Image: Bicycle1L.jpg

When I see mounted police officers, they look impressive (especially effective for crowd control) but when I see bicycle cops, (effective for...handing out parking tickets?) they just look lame, especially in those tight little shorts and egg-shaped helmets.

396 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:49:45am

But you know what you never see in apocalyptic movies? People on bicycles! Everyone is always walking, walking, walking everywhere.

397 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:50:04am

re: #395 Sheila Broflovski

When I see mounted police officers, they look impressive (especially effective for crowd control) but when I see bicycle cops, (effective for...handing out parking tickets?) they just look lame, especially in those tight little shorts and egg-shaped helmets.

They're good at stealth. But then they have to drop their bikes to do anything. O:

398 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:50:29am

The October surprise that fizzled...

Trumped-Up Charges? Republicans Rejected Man’s Claims That Obama Sold Cocaine In College

A man claiming to be a close pal to President Obama during college made contact with Republican operatives recently, ready to go public with claims that Obama used and sold cocaine in college, RadarOnline.com is reporting exclusively.

The operatives tried to spread the story through the media and the Romney campaign, a source close to the situation told Radar.

...Operatives close to the Romney campaign were contacted and rejected the information, the source told Radar.

“They didn’t want anything to do with it,” the source said. “They thought it was not anything they wanted to be associated with or anything their candidate would want to be associated with.”

Classy move by the Romney campaign.

399 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:51:55am

re: #395 Sheila Broflovski

When I see mounted police officers, they look impressive (especially effective for crowd control) but when I see bicycle cops, (effective for...handing out parking tickets?) they just look lame, especially in those tight little shorts and egg-shaped helmets.

Bike cops can be useful, especially in a city with a lot of bicycle riders. They can also respond faster than officers on foot and sometimes fit into gaps in traffic and between buildings that a squad car cannot. Sometime the biking gear can look silly, but they do their part. The bike cops in Chicago are through going professionals, I can say that for certain.

400 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:52:47am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

The October surprise that fizzled...

Trumped-Up Charges? Republicans Rejected Man’s Claims That Obama Sold Cocaine In College

Classy move by the Romney campaign.

Ten bucks says Trump still runs with it.

Plausible deniability.

401 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:53:44am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Bike cops can be useful, especially in a city with a lot of bicycle riders. They can also respond faster than officers on foot and sometimes fit into gaps in traffic and between buildings that a squad car cannot. Sometime the biking gear can look silly, but they do their part. The bike cops in Chicago are through going professionals, I can say that for certain.

I think motorcycle cops are way cooler than pedal bike cops.

402 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:53:50am

re: #395 Sheila Broflovski

When I see mounted police officers, they look impressive (especially effective for crowd control) but when I see bicycle cops, (effective for...handing out parking tickets?) they just look lame, especially in those tight little shorts and egg-shaped helmets.

For whatever reason, mounted police officers always show up at the local mall come the Christmas season. I've yet to figure out why.

403 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:54:29am

re: #402 Targetpractice

For whatever reason, mounted police officers always show up at the local mall come the Christmas season. I've yet to figure out why.

Crowd control. Or maybe they're just shopping.

404 Mocking Jay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:54:43am

One meme to rule them all...

Image: 150515_10151119715669639_1416590316_n.jpg

405 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:55:20am

Image: Simms.jpg

406 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:56:57am

Get ready for another tax in NY...


407 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:56:59am

re: #402 Targetpractice

For whatever reason, mounted police officers always show up at the local mall come the Christmas season. I've yet to figure out why.

You remember reading about stampedes for Wal-Mart Black Friday sale, or a mini-riot by parents when a store ran out of their kids' 'must have' toy? That's why the mall asks for mounted officers. Because as Alouette noted, they are excellent at crowd control.

409 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:58:20am

re: #400 makeitstop

Ten bucks says Trump still runs with it.

Plausible deniability.

Yes, allegations of coke use can totally destroy a presidential campaign. Just ask Dubya...oh wait...

410 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:59:38am

Netanyahu pledges Israel will continue building in Jerusalem

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu paid a visit to the Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo on Tuesday in a defiant prelude to talks with the European Union's top diplomat, who has condemned Gilo's expansion.

Israel issued a detailed plan last week for 797 additional homes in Gilo, an urban complex built in a part of the West Bank that it captured in a 1967 Middle East war and later annexed to Jerusalem.

"United Jerusalem is Israel's eternal capital, we have a full right to build in it," Netanyahu said during a tour of Gilo, a day before he was due to meet Catherine Ashton, the EU's high representative for foreign affairs.

411 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:59:57am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

The October surprise that fizzled...

Trumped-Up Charges? Republicans Rejected Man’s Claims That Obama Sold Cocaine In College

Classy move by the Romney campaign.

Sane people agreeing with Glenn Beck. Romney campaign making classy moves.

The end times can't be far now.

412 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:00:11am

Bicycles were a prime element of Vietcong and NVA logistics during the Vietnam War. With proper weight distribution and a few mods, you can load 300 lbs. onto a standard bike and push it along a narrow trail walking alongside. It's hard work but probably not as hard as it sounds. This is as much as a mule can carry and the bike does not have to be fed (though obviously the person pushing it does). Normally, there were more people assigned to the teams than there were bikes, so they could relieve each other at intervals. The ratio of pushers to bikes varied, but was usually 4 to 3, sometimes 2 to 1 in difficult terrain.

413 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:00:22am

re: #402 Targetpractice

For whatever reason, mounted police officers always show up at the local mall come the Christmas season. I've yet to figure out why.

I see them every weekend on the Lower East Side. It's funny to see all the trashed club-goers petting the horses at 3 in the morning.

I once asked on of the officers how many people pet the horses in a night. She said 'Thousands.' I told her they should charge a dime each, and they could wipe out NYC's debt in no time flat.

414 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:00:48am

re: #411 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Sane people agreeing with Glenn Beck. Romney campaign making classy moves.

The end times can't be far now.

What did Glenn Beck do?

415 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:01:04am

re: #409 Targetpractice

Yes, allegations of coke use can totally destroy a presidential campaign. Just ask Dubya...oh wait...

Probably doesn't even matter to Trump. As long as he gets his face time, it's a win in his mind.

416 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:01:48am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

You remember reading about stampedes for Wal-Mart Black Friday sale, or a mini-riot by parents when a store ran out of their kids' 'must have' toy? That's why the mall asks for mounted officers. Because as Alouette noted, they are excellent at crowd control.

Except not inside the store. Although it would be really cool to see horse cops inside a Walmart.

417 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:02:22am

re: #414 NJDhockeyfan

What did Glenn Beck do?

He tweeted that since Romney agreed with Obama so much last night, maybe people shouldn't bother to vote.

418 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:02:52am
419 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:03:03am

re: #417 makeitstop

He tweeted that since Romney agreed with Obama so much last night, maybe people shouldn't bother to vote.

I support Glenn Beck not voting.

420 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:03:20am

re: #414 NJDhockeyfan

What did Glenn Beck do?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

421 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:04:38am

re: #416 Sheila Broflovski

Except not inside the store. Although it would be really cool to see horse cops inside a Walmart.

Well, the aisles of the typical Walmart are already full of shit.

422 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:05:51am

re: #390 Targetpractice

Let's take the 1921 Washington Naval Treaty figures, which limited fleet tonnage and ship size. That put a total of 525,000 tons towards capital ships and 135,000 tons for aircraft carriers.

That was a maximum limit.

The Lexington and Saratoga were built under the treaty limits, were 27,000 tons apiece (both were built upon hulls meant for cruisers that were outlawed under the treaty).

The Nimitz class carriers? They're 100,000 tons. Apiece. Never need refueling for propulsion (refueling is needed regularly for embarked aircraft - since storage of fuel can now fill spaces that would have been relegated for ship fueling).

423 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:06:05am

re: #418 Gus

dear conservatives,

please vote for gary johnson

424 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:08:58am

Random observation:

I'm surprised "preppers" (formerly known as survivalists) don't pay more attention to bicycles. They do put a lot of effort to selecting the perfect "survival vehicle," normally a monster 4X4 for which they will somehow find fuel when ammunition, food, and common pharmaceuticals are in short supply.

425 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:11:14am

re: #423 SpaceJesus

dear liberals,

please vote for Jill Stein

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427 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:11:29am

Mounted police no like Mongo

428 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:12:00am

re: #422 lawhawk

Let's take the 1921 Washington Naval Treaty figures, which limited fleet tonnage and ship size. That put a total of 525,000 tons towards capital ships and 135,000 tons for aircraft carriers.

That was a maximum limit.

The Lexington and Saratoga were built under the treaty limits, were 27,000 tons apiece (both were built upon hulls meant for cruisers that were outlawed under the treaty).

The Nimitz class carriers? They're 100,000 tons. Apiece. Never need refueling for propulsion (refueling is needed regularly for embarked aircraft - since storage of fuel can now fill spaces that would have been relegated for ship fueling).

Not entirely true, they do require refueling, but only one every so many years. And generally refueling is part of the refit schedule, rather than something that mission-planners have to take into account. We used to have nuclear cruisers and destroyers as well, but the latter was seen as too cost-ineffective, while the latter were all retired as a result of the Cold War ending.

429 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:13:06am
430 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:13:06am

re: #422 lawhawk

Let's take the 1921 Washington Naval Treaty figures, which limited fleet tonnage and ship size. That put a total of 525,000 tons towards capital ships and 135,000 tons for aircraft carriers.

That was a maximum limit.

The Lexington and Saratoga were built under the treaty limits, were 27,000 tons apiece (both were built upon hulls meant for battlecruisers that were outlawed under the treaty).

The Nimitz class carriers? They're 100,000 tons. Apiece. Never need refueling for propulsion (refueling is needed regularly for embarked aircraft - since storage of fuel can now fill spaces that would have been relegated for ship fueling).

Slight correction, Lawhawk. The Lexington class originally was to mount 8 16" guns in four twin turrets, with B and X turrets superfiring A and Y turrets, respectively. They were considered battlecruisers.

431 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:13:44am

Have a good day, fellow minions. I'm going shopping for bicycles.

432 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:14:17am

re: #343 Kronocide

Pathetic Faux Fact Check:

Obama line about horses, bayonets fails fact-check

Obama says '... we have less horses and bayonets.' So they 'fact check' Obama to clarify that the armed forces still have horses and bayonets. Case in point?

This is a factoid presented as something entirely different than what it is. Saying 'less' does not equal 'none.' The logical disconnect so glaringly deficient it's hard to understand how it can be taken seriously.

The 3rd US Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) still maintains horses. They use them at military funerals in the DC area.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

433 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:14:34am

re: #429 Gus

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October Surprise!

434 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:15:03am

re: #429 Gus

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I don't like those kinds of photoshops. they strike me as tacky and I worry dumb or uninformed people might actually think they were real.

435 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:15:17am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

Slight correction, Lawhawk. The Lexington class originally was to mount 8 16" guns in four twin turrets, with B and X turrets superfiring A and Y turrets, respectively. They were considered battlecruisers.

It's better they didn't get built to plan, considering not only the failure of battlecruisers in the two wars to impress, but also because they were actually useful as carriers, whereas most cruisers during the war served as little more than anti-air defense for the carriers.

436 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:15:25am

Speaking of antiquated technology, has anyone watched the TV series Revolution? I have read reviews that it is the WORST. TV. SERIES. EVER.

437 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:16:18am

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

I don't like those kinds of photoshops. they strike me as tacky and I worry dumb or uninformed people might actually think they were real.

Are those Photoshops?

438 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:16:37am

re: #428 Targetpractice

Not entirely true, they do require refueling, but only one every so many years. And generally refueling is part of the refit schedule, rather than something that mission-planners have to take into account. We used to have nuclear cruisers and destroyers as well, but the latter was seen as too cost-ineffective, while the latter were all retired as a result of the Cold War ending.

It's not clear that they ever would have been built but for the profound Congressional sway of the longtime head of naval nuclear propulsion, a certain Hyman Rickover. For several decades, he was able to enforce a requirement that no surface combatant over 8000 tons would be conventionally fueled. This had profound implications in the surface fleet, and indeed design histories show repeatedly that this 8000 ton limit was the primary driver in a number of instances. More than a quarter century after his death, this effect persists in the Navy; Spruances were sized to a large extent by the 8000 ton limit, and Ticonderoga was a direct outgrowth thereof, and systems designed to shrink into the tight weight and volume allowances on Ticonderoga begat BURKESWARM (tm). Which is more than two thirds of the modern US Navy surface warfare fleet.

Image: themoreyouknow.jpg

439 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:16:37am

re: #436 Sheila Broflovski

Speaking of antiquated technology, has anyone watched the TV series Revolution? I have read reviews that it is the WORST. TV. SERIES. EVER.

Missed it but the commercials were cool.

440 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:16:47am

re: #429 Gus

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He looked like he was a real douche when he was young.

441 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:17:14am

re: #429 Gus

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Thinking this definitely needs to be tagged as satire.

442 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:17:47am

re: #440 makeitstop

He looked like he was a real douche when he was young.

Those photos do not look real.

443 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:18:04am

re: #437 Gus

Are those Photoshops?

Pretty sure they are.

444 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:18:12am

They're fake.

445 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:18:27am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

Missed it but the commercials were cool.

Are the commercials different than the same commercials that are shown on all over shows?

446 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:18:44am

High court: Lap dancers not art, but taxable


Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

447 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:18:46am

Update on on of the Benghazi suspects who was picked up in Turkey shortly after the attack.
Benghazi Suspect Held in Tunisia

One of the first clues the intelligence community had about the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 assault on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was when a Tunisian national posted an update on social media about the fighting shortly after it had begun.

The post from Ali Ani al-Harzi, who is now suspected of participating in the attacks, was what helped U.S. intelligence locate him and track him down after he fled Libya for Turkey, according to four U.S. officials familiar with the unfolding investigation.

These people say Turkish officials held al-Harzi for less than a week at the behest of the U.S. government, then sent him to Tunisia. There, he was kept in military custody until last week, when he was transferred to a jail in preparation for a court trial. It’s unclear what role he might have played in the attacks or what he might be charged with. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. intelligence community are working with Tunisian authorities, but there has been no deal yet on whether to send al-Harzi to the U.S. or keep him in Tunisia where he could be charged under the country’s own counterterrorism laws.

448 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:18:50am

re: #442 Sheila Broflovski

Those photos do not look real.

That is not a granny unless she found an age-reducing serum.

449 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:19:45am

re: #443 Kragar

Pretty sure they are.

Meh. I was wondering about the "bullying" question. People get carried away with that word these days.

450 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:20:04am

I think the "Captain Morgan" commercial is very creepy. It looks like they were going for a "Pirates of the Caribbean" kind of thing, but Johnny Depp probably wanted too much money so they got this creepy rapey dude in a red coat who looks just as creepy and rapey as the old dude in the wig.

451 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:20:57am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

That is not a granny unless she found an age-reducing serum.

And she's so short she must be a hobbit granny.

452 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:21:20am

re: #442 Sheila Broflovski

Those photos do not look real.

Even if they're not, he's got a 'punch-me' face.

(Not intended as a physical threat against a presidential candidate.)

453 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:22:02am

re: #437 Gus
I don't like those kinds of photoshops. they strike me as tacky and I worry dumb or uninformed people might actually think they were real.

Are those Photoshops?

I think that makes his case.

454 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:22:31am

My yearly community message
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Horny Bucks in a rut, beware.
This was funny,


Radio caller: Move the signs so deer cross elsewhere


Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

455 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:22:38am

Dead give away was the etch a sketch with the heart Ann.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:23:25am

re: #445 Sheila Broflovski

Are the commercials different than the same commercials that are shown on all over shows?

I meant the ads for the show. They made the show look interesting. Thanks for the heads up so I don't waste an hour of my life watching it.

:)

457 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:24:12am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I don't like those kinds of photoshops. they strike me as tacky and I worry dumb or uninformed people might actually think they were real.

I think that makes his case.

Too bad. I kind of liked them. ;)

458 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:24:31am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Dead give away was the etch a sketch with the heart Ann.

Yeah, it should totally say Mitt.

459 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:25:19am

re: #458 Sheila Broflovski

Yeah, it should totally say Mitt.

Hah. Yeah one could say that too.

460 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:26:02am

re: #436 Sheila Broflovski

Speaking of antiquated technology, has anyone watched the TV series Revolution? I have read reviews that it is the WORST. TV. SERIES. EVER.

The 10 Dumbest Things on TV So Far This Season

9 out of 10 are Revolution.

461 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:27:40am

The dead giveaway is this...

Photographs by Justin Bishop
Photo Illustrations by Hamish Robertson

462 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:27:51am

Police release 911 calls reporting sex on restaurant table

BALDWIN PARK, Fla. -
Orlando police have released the 911 calls from the staff of a Baldwin Park restaurant reporting a couple having sex on a table in front of adults and children.

Orlando police said Jeremie Calo, 32, and his date were "having sex on a table in view of minor children" on the patio of Paddy Murphy's restaurant.

The manager at Paddy Murphy's, Tom Murphy, said as soon as he realized what was going on he put a stop to it. He told the couple, "Compose yourself, pay your tab or I'll call the police," according to the report.

Murphy called police, and the couple then stopped what they were doing. Local 6 has obtained the calls placed by Paddy Murphy's staff reporting the incident.

464 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:29:48am

re: #460 Kragar

The 10 Dumbest Things on TV So Far This Season

9 out of 10 are Revolution.

Cracked is firewalled here, I'll have to read it when I get home.

465 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:29:56am

re: #463 Kragar

Republican Congressman Responds To Meningitis Outbreak: ‘I Don’t Think You Need More’ Regulation

What a fucking dick.

466 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:30:51am

re: #424 Shiplord Kirel

Random observation:

I'm surprised "preppers" (formerly known as survivalists) don't pay more attention to bicycles. They do put a lot of effort to selecting the perfect "survival vehicle," normally a monster 4X4 for which they will somehow find fuel when ammunition, food, and common pharmaceuticals are in short supply.

Bicycles are included in goddamnedfrank's plan.

467 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:31:17am

re: #464 Sheila Broflovski

#10. The Ultimate Anti-Sniper Strategy (Revolution)

The premise of the new J.J. Abrams/Eric Kripke drama Revolution is that all the electricity went out for some mysterious reason and we have gone back to lifestyles of the Civil War, complete with Civil War uniforms and, for some reason, muskets.

I don't really know guns, but you know, they're the kind you have to muzzle load like you are one of George Washington's soldiers.

I don't know why they use muskets, because I'm pretty sure the manufacturing process for a repeating rifle (you put in a bunch of rounds and take a bunch of shots in a row) doesn't require electricity, since they've been making them since the mid-1800s or something. I mean, the machine gun was invented during the Civil War. You can make some pretty deadly guns without electricity. It's not some ragtag bunch of outlaws, either -- it's the dominant military power in what's left of the U.S. I don't know, maybe they burned all the books about how to make things and raided a Civil War museum. Whatever.

The point is that the bad guys have muskets in this particular scene, and they run into a good guy sitting on a roof with a modern military sniper rifle.

Bad news for them! The commander quickly pulls all his troops under cover (well, apparently it takes him several hours, because it gets dark) and formulates a plan.

Quick, what kind of plan would you come up with to take out a sniper, an enemy who can quickly and accurately take out single targets? That's right! Send one guy at a time! "Go go go!" he says.

The guy go go goes!

Blam! Thump. Oh, that didn't work. What does he do now?

He thinks about it. "Send another man!" he says. His reasoning is that soon they will run out of bullets. I don't know, how about maybe send 10 guys at him? Maybe the sniper shoots three of them and the other seven take the roof and cave the guy's head in, because the sniper is all alone on the roof for some reason and all the good guys are inside talking about their feelings. Or I don't know, keep sending lone guys, hoping that one of them is bulletproof.

468 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:31:19am

re: #429 Gus

[Embedded content]

Goofing off. It's a non-story.

469 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:32:39am

Lots of voter fraud stories this year. Here is the latest one...

Feds to probe possible voter fraud in Florida

ORLANDO, Fla. -
Officials in Florida have issued a warning about a new trick trying to prevent voters from going to the polls.

Voters are getting letters that look like they are from local elections offices, questioning their citizenship. But Local 6 has learned the letters are fake, and they are going out across Central Florida and other parts of the state.

Officials said the voters who have received the letters thus far are white, registered Republicans who consistently vote in elections.

"This is a major concern," said Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel, who received a letter from a voter mailed from Seattle with no return address. "You should not expect a letter from your elections office saying, 'You're not registered to vote, please don't go to the polls.' That's ridiculous."

The supervisor of elections in Collier County said some residents there have also received hoax letters.

Inside the letter is the resident's supervisor of election's name, the resident's name and address, and a warning that doubts the voter's citizenship, saying the resident is not eligible to vote unless a letter is returned in an enclosed form within 15 days.

Some voters said it's easy to be fooled.

"It looks official," a Central Florida resident said.

470 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:33:03am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Police release 911 calls reporting sex on restaurant table

I don't know what things are coming to when people do such stupid things. [shakes head sadly]

471 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:33:20am

re: #463 Kragar

Republican Congressman Responds To Meningitis Outbreak: ‘I Don’t Think You Need More’ Regulation

The lack of quality control in pharma is freaking scary. I read that there was a batch of painkillers with double the amount of acetaminophen and they didn't notice it for a couple of months. When patients presented showing symptoms they were told "oh you're probably taking more than the prescribed dose you junkie!"

472 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:34:11am

re: #470 Dark_Falcon

I don't know what things are coming to when people do such stupid things. [shakes head sadly]

Stupid is as stupid fucks.

473 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:35:40am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Police release 911 calls reporting sex on restaurant table

Dinner and a show?

/yeah, I'm goin' to Hell for that one.

474 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:36:03am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I don't like those kinds of photoshops. they strike me as tacky and I worry dumb or uninformed people might actually think they were real.

I think that makes his case.

It includes a credit for "photo illustrations" pretty prominently.

By Sarah Ball and Chris Rovzar Photographs by Justin Bishop Photo Illustrations by Hamish Robertson

475 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:36:17am

re: #467 Kragar

How does the modern sniper rifle work if all the electronics are disabled? (I assume a high-tech sniper weapon would have a chip in it to calculate trajectory and wind speed and stuff) although why would they have to go back to the Civil War? Lots of non-electronic stuff in WW1 and even WW2.

476 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:37:11am

Model T's also don't use electronics.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:38:28am

Gotta run....see ya!

478 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:38:54am

re: #475 Sheila Broflovski

How does the modern sniper rifle work if all the electronics are disabled? (I assume a high-tech sniper weapon would have a chip in it to calculate trajectory and wind speed and stuff) although why would they have to go back to the Civil War? Lots of non-electronic stuff in WW1 and even WW2.

Same as the ones in WW1 and 2: Lenses. Self-glowing sights that make hitting a target easier at night.

479 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:39:47am

re: #468 Gangnam Style

Goofing off. It's a non-story.

Yes, but I'd still have some low-level Republican denounce it on Hannity if I were Mitt Romney. It'll help keep the wingnuts keyed up and angry at the MSM, which will help get them to turn out and vote. It's a mildly useful "OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1".

480 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:39:53am

re: #446 Shropshire_Slasher

High court: Lap dancers not art, but taxable

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

Taxes will destroy the exotic dancing industry! All those artists and mixologists and security specialists will be decimated.

481 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:39:55am

re: #475 Sheila Broflovski

How does the modern sniper rifle work if all the electronics are disabled? (I assume a high-tech sniper weapon would have a chip in it to calculate trajectory and wind speed and stuff) although why would they have to go back to the Civil War? Lots of non-electronic stuff in WW1 and even WW2.

Modern in that it had a polymer stock and a scope. Mechanism-wise, it looks like it was m-14 or a derivative. Still, an order of magnitude better than a muzzleloader.

Image: 149985_v1.jpg

482 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:40:37am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

What a fucking dick.

re: #463 Kragar

Ideology above all else. If they die, fuck em. They shouldn't have gotten sick! It's the fault of Obamacare. Asshole.

483 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:41:48am

re: #481 Kragar

Modern in that it had a polymer stock and a scope. Mechanism-wise, it looks like it was m-14 or a derivative. Still, an order of magnitude better than a muzzleloader.

Image: 149985_v1.jpg

Nah, bog standard Remington Model 700, known to the US Marines as the M40. Those babies have been in service since Vietnam.

484 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:42:37am

re: #482 Joanne

That should have had a /.

485 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:44:16am

re: #475 Sheila Broflovski

How does the modern sniper rifle work if all the electronics are disabled? (I assume a high-tech sniper weapon would have a chip in it to calculate trajectory and wind speed and stuff) although why would they have to go back to the Civil War? Lots of non-electronic stuff in WW1 and even WW2.

Indeed. I've seen hand-made Thompson submachine guns. But the thing is; If the bad guys had those, then the story would end quickly with the good guys being blown away like Northsiders at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. They have to hobble the bad guys otherwise even normal people wouldn't believe the good guys winning.

486 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:45:41am

Ryan: ‘I just don’t understand’ what ‘horses and bayonets’ means

Appearing on CBS the next morning, Ryan told host Norah O’Donnell that he couldn’t make sense out of the “horses and bayonets” line.

“To compare modern American battleships with bayonets, I just don’t understand that comparison,” the Wisconsin Republican said. “Look, we have to have a strong Navy to keep peace and prosperity.”

“If all these defense cuts go through, our Navy will be small than it was before World War I,” Ryan continued. “That’s not acceptable. And, yes, the ocean hasn’t shrunk."

A quick note to Ryan: The US doesn't have any battleships, modern or other wise, in service and haven't had any at sea for about the last 20 years.

487 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:47:39am

re: #485 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. I've seen hand-made Thompson submachine guns. But the thing is; If the bad guys had those, then the story would end quickly with the good guys being blown away like Northsiders at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. They have to hobble the bad guys otherwise even normal people wouldn't believe the good guys winning.

Or simply make smarter good guys.

488 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:49:10am

Also to Ryan, the sea hasn't shrunk, but our ability to project force across it has increased drastically over the years.

489 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:49:56am

re: #481 Kragar

Modern in that it had a polymer stock and a scope. Mechanism-wise, it looks like it was m-14 or a derivative. Still, an order of magnitude better than a muzzleloader.

Image: 149985_v1.jpg

You would think I should know this since I like to read Stephen Hunter novels, but I just kind of skim over all that military technical shit.

490 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:50:08am

re: #486 Kragar

Ryan: ‘I just don’t understand’ what ‘horses and bayonets’ means

A quick note to Ryan: The US doesn't have any battleships, modern or other wise, in service and haven't had any at sea for about the last 20 years.

Probably make smoke come out his ears if I told him that a modern Arleigh Burke class destroyer weighs more than a WWII cruiser. Or that they can carry Tomahawk cruise missiles that could hit targets hundreds of miles farther than a salvo from a Tennessee-class battleship of 1917.

491 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:50:16am

re: #486 Kragar

Paul Ryan doesn't focus on naval appropriations, so he may well not be up-to-date on ship terminology. Congressmen are often pretty specialized, and a lot of people still think the US uses battleships. It's not a big deal.

Not everyone is as well versed in matters naval as you and I, Kragar.

492 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:50:55am

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

Paul Ryan doesn't focus on naval appropriations, so he may well not be up-to-date on ship terminology. Congressmen are often pretty specialized, and a lot of people still think the US uses battleships. It's not a big deal.

Not everyone is as well versed in matters naval as you and I, Kragar.

That is his problem, not mine.

493 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:50:56am
494 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:51:03am

re: #490 Targetpractice

Probably make smoke come out his ears if I told him that a modern Arleigh Burke class destroyer weighs more than a WWII cruiser. Or that they can carry Tomahawk cruise missiles that could hit targets hundreds of miles farther than a salvo from a Tennessee-class battleship of 1917.

He'd stare at you and blink. Maybe make a sad face for you.
/

495 gwangung  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:51:07am

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

Paul Ryan doesn't focus on naval appropriations, so he may well not be up-to-date on ship terminology. Congressmen are often pretty specialized, and a lot of people still think the US uses battleships. It's not a big deal.

Not everyone is as well versed in matters naval as you and I, Kragar.

We're talking about a person who wants to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Please don't be such an idiot for your side.

496 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:51:38am

re: #486 Kragar

Wile E Coyote: Super Genius. The oceans haven't shrunk. O.M.G.

Can I propose that anyone running for an office have to at least pass an advanced high school level test in the following subjects:
Human Biology and Anatomy
Geography
American History
World History
Earth Sciences
Civics

And then,because I'm feeling generous they should at least have a basic high school level knowledge of Math and Economics.
Is that really too much to ask?

497 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:55:15am

I really don't want to be around while that "horses and bayonets" line is being bandied about. It pissed me off when I heard about it (I was watching the Bears-Lions game far more than the debate) and I'm annoyed with Obama over it. But if I give voice to that annoyance here, all I'm going to get is gang-tackled and downdinged. So instead I'm just going to sign off for the moment and leave you folks to it.

498 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:56:57am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Bike cops can be useful, especially in a city with a lot of bicycle riders. They can also respond faster than officers on foot and sometimes fit into gaps in traffic and between buildings that a squad car cannot. Sometime the biking gear can look silly, but they do their part. The bike cops in Chicago are through going professionals, I can say that for certain.

A lot of them in Philadelphia around the University City area. Pedestrian-only areas at the U of Penn, a number of parks and small fields, and also the bike/walking trail along the river.

499 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:57:35am

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

I really don't want to be around while that "horses and bayonets" line is being bandied about. It pissed me off when I heard about it (I was watching the Bears-Lions game far more than the debate) and I'm annoyed with Obama over it. But if I give voice to that annoyance here, all I'm going to get is gang-tackled and downdinged. So instead I'm just going to sign off for the moment and leave you folks to it.

Actually, the US currently has more bayonets than we had in 1917. This is because we have more servicemen. You see, you can run out of bullets, but you never run out of bayonet.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

500 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:01:08am

re: #436 Sheila Broflovski

Speaking of antiquated technology, has anyone watched the TV series Revolution? I have read reviews that it is the WORST. TV. SERIES. EVER.

I caught a couple of episodes and was not that impressed.

501 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:02:04am

re: #499 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Actually, the US currently has more bayonets than we had in 1917. This is because we have more servicemen. You see, you can run out of bullets, but you never run out of bayonet.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Then Obama should be scored 'half true' at best, with a rating addition of "condescending asshole" added in.

BBL

502 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:04:16am

re: #493 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Pew, pew pew!

503 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:07:19am

re: #475 Sheila Broflovski

How does the modern sniper rifle work if all the electronics are disabled? (I assume a high-tech sniper weapon would have a chip in it to calculate trajectory and wind speed and stuff) although why would they have to go back to the Civil War? Lots of non-electronic stuff in WW1 and even WW2.

Nope. Modern sniper rifles are still primarily optics and knowing how to shoot and adjust for range and windage. The electronics kick in when trying to night shoot - and then they add additional scopes onto the rifle for that.

The Military Channel does a lot of shows on snipers. The ones they do on the annual sniper competition are sort of interesting since it shows a lot about training and the exercises they do through for the competition.

504 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:08:17am

re: #480 Kronocide

Taxes will destroy the exotic dancing industry! All those artists and mixologists and security specialists will be decimated.

Not to mention the cups they will need to carry for the tax to be deposited along with the $1 bills.
//

505 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:09:37am

re: #501 Dark_Falcon

Then Obama should be scored 'half true' at best, with a rating addition of "condescending asshole" added in.

Lulz. As if full-of-shit Mitt has any grounds to complain about that (see thread, next)

506 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:11:59am

re: #503 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Nope. Modern sniper rifles are still primarily optics and knowing how to shoot and adjust for range and windage. The electronics kick in when trying to night shoot - and then they add additional scopes onto the rifle for that.

The Military Channel does a lot of shows on snipers. The ones they do on the annual sniper competition are sort of interesting since it shows a lot about training and the exercises they do through for the competition.

I love Stephen Hunter, but his technical jargon flies over my head because it's not something that I can relate to. The closest that I ever got to a sniper weapon was my son's sharpshooter rifle when he was in the IDF. M4A1 I believe.

507 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:13:00am

re: #501 Dark_Falcon

I think the point is that technology makes it possible to do more with less actual individual weapons/ships/whatever. It's not about the bayonets or the horses. Our Navy fleet is the most advanced in the world,each individual ship or submarine carries with it more than any of the WWI fleet could have ever dreamed of being able to utilize.

The whole discussion of this is more deflection into endless minutia.

508 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:27:23am

re: #501 Dark_Falcon

Then Obama should be scored 'half true' at best, with a rating addition of "condescending asshole" added in.

BBL

Major league asshole maybe? But Rmoney and his apology tour shit is just fine, or should Mitt get a half true with a dooshnozzle plaque next to it in the books? I'll maybe wait 'till you get back to answer my comment to that turd you left on the floor.

509 danarchy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:28:44am

re: #476 Sheila Broflovski

Model T's also don't use electronics.

My question immediately was how do you stop the flow of electricity selectively? Why do the electrical impulses in their bodies continue to work?

510 KiTA  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:48:19am

re: #96 freetoken

Only in the sense that they were attempting to farm it for data, possibly to look for places they can submit things to so they can spew out their ads.

I blocked all of China on the forums I moderate. You can still tell when it's a bot -- look for really WEIRD email addresses (the average user doesn't use one) alongside an associated URL -- and if you go to these URLs, they are always spam sites.

511 gwangung  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:55:29am

re: #501 Dark_Falcon

Then Obama should be scored 'half true' at best, with a rating addition of "condescending asshole" added in.

BBL

It's hard not to be somewhat condescending to such a brain dead point.

On the other hand, my theatre training suggests that any condescension is in the audience and not in the speaker.


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