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Joe the Plumber to Families of Isla Vista Victims: ‘Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump’ the 2nd Amendment

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Right wing fringe figures like Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (dubbed “Joe the Plumber” in one of the most hideous political moments in recent history) are still covering themselves in glory, following the awful mass murder in Isla Vista. Joe’s message to the families of the victims: he’s really sorry and all, but “your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights.”

Hard to imagine a human being who’d be this unfeeling, but we don’t have to imagine it — here he is.

“I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now,” wrote Wurzelbacher, who became something of a mascot for John McCain’s failed 2008 presidential campaign. “But: As harsh as this sounds - your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights.”

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712 comments

1 wrenchwench  May 27, 2014 5:34:42pm

I suppose he’d have to say the same thing about his own kid. I hope he tells him what an asshole he is for talking like that about humans.

2 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 5:37:35pm

Joe the Plumber and Trump in one sentence.

That there’s some real bad karma.

3 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 5:37:38pm

If an Al-Qaeda member were to commit a mass shooting…

4 TedStriker  May 27, 2014 5:38:14pm

Joe the “Plumber”, tied with Todd Kincannon for the title of the most odious, callous, gun-humping RWNJ motherfucker in America today.

5 SpaceJesus  May 27, 2014 5:38:52pm

Interesting. And which well-regulated militia does he belong to?

6 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 5:39:52pm

I keep waiting for a Tweet of Wisdom from the Wasilla Warblegarbler.

Apparently she’s having more trouble than usual arranging 140 characters into something that resembles a thought.

7 b.d.  May 27, 2014 5:40:34pm

Sounds like Joe is gearing up to run for President.

He’s going to have to get more radical than that if he expects people to pay attention to him.

8 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 5:42:03pm

re: #4 TedStriker

Joe the “Plumber”, tied with Todd Kincannon for the title of the most odious, callous, gun-humping RWNJ motherfucker in America today.

Except, as much of an asshole as Todd Kincannon is, he was trolling for attention, but “Plumber Joe” really believes this from the bottom of his shriveled, evil heart.

9 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 5:42:09pm

Unfortunately Wurzelbacher is not alone in this attitude. I saw it all over the conservative groups on Twitter.

I thought they used to at least wait a day or two after a mass killing to start defending their precious guns from the liberals who don’t like getting shot, but I’m probably imagining that.

10 Stanley Sea  May 27, 2014 5:43:05pm

Vile.

11 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 5:43:06pm

re: #4 TedStriker

Joe the “Plumber”, tied with Todd Kincannon for the title of the most odious, callous, gun-humping RWNJ motherfucker in America today.

Kincannon’s Twitter timeline beats poor old Joe all to hell for that title.

12 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 27, 2014 5:43:45pm

Fake plumber said what.

13 SpaceJesus  May 27, 2014 5:43:55pm
14 Justanotherhuman  May 27, 2014 5:44:13pm

What a shitty douchebag loser.

15 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 5:44:18pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Kincannon’s Twitter timeline beats poor old Joe all to hell for that title.

Joe has ugly beliefs, but he’s more stupid than malicious. Kincannon is pure malice.

16 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 27, 2014 5:44:33pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

Oy. Long time no see.

17 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 5:46:06pm

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

Except, as much of an asshole as Todd Kincannon is, he was trolling for attention, but “Plumber Joe” really believes this from the bottom of his shriveled, evil heart.

Did you know that Todd has a day job as the chairman of the Election Commission of Simpsonville, South Carolina?

18 EPR-radar  May 27, 2014 5:48:19pm

not-Joe the not-plumber provides another reason to repeal the second amendment.

19 palomino  May 27, 2014 5:48:55pm

This has become the standard TP talking point whenever there’s a suggestion of ANY sort of gun control. Unless their gun rights are absolutely unfettered, they think they’re being discriminated against. But then what do you expect from people who think the 2nd Amendment is more important than the 1st?

20 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 5:52:21pm

OK now! You can now save a Page as a draft, work on it for as long as you like without publishing it, and when you finally do publish it, it will look just like a new Page to the system and show up at the top of the Recent list.

Tested and working. It was a bit trickier than I thought it would be, because information for Pages is distributed among four different MySQL tables.

21 SpaceJesus  May 27, 2014 5:52:29pm

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

I’m always here, my son.

22 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 27, 2014 5:54:23pm

re: #21 SpaceJesus

I’m always here, my son.

Have a bat at the ready?

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littlegreenfootballs.com

23 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 5:56:51pm
Right wing fringe figures like Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher

Seriously, are these guys really fringe figures in the GOP now? Just look at the two loons the Texas GOP put in a runoff for Lt. Gov.

Look at who leads the polling for GOP candidate for Gov in CA.

I don’t think Joe (or Todd) are fringe figures at all in their party. The only fringe people left in the GOP now are the moderates.

24 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 5:58:22pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

Seriously, are these guys really fringe figures in the GOP now? Just look at the two loons the Texas GOP put in a runoff for Lt. Gov.

Look at who leads the polling for GOP candidate for Gov in CA.

I don’t think Joe (or Todd) are fringe figures at all in their party. The only fringe people left if the GOP now are the moderates.

There are moderates in the G.O.P???

Who knew?

/

25 wrenchwench  May 27, 2014 5:59:19pm
26 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 5:59:29pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

That’s why they’re fringe.

27 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 6:00:02pm

Kinsley, Greenwald and Government Secrets

28 Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2014 6:00:11pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

Hah, I was going to post that pic, but I was too damn lazy.

29 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:01:07pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

Patrick’s gun rights agenda:

In 2007, he was one of 28 senators who co-authored a castle doctrine law, which expanded Texans’ ability to use force for self defense in their home, car or workplace. In each of the past three legislative sessions, he was among roughly a dozen senators unsuccessfully authoring a bill to allow carrying of concealed handguns on college campuses. He’s also sponsored or help pass measures making it easier to renew a concealed handgun license, expanding retired cops’ ability to carry and letting holders of concealed handgun licenses store their weapons in a vehicle glove compartment on campus and at work.
trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com

30 wrenchwench  May 27, 2014 6:01:16pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Kinsley, Greenwald and Government Secrets

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31 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 6:02:07pm

your dead kids don’t trump my

such a nice man

32 wrenchwench  May 27, 2014 6:03:06pm

I couldn’t bring myself to cancel the NYT (Sunday only, $15/mo.) but I put it on a three month vacation hold.

That’ll show ‘em!

/

I have stacks to catch up on…

33 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 6:03:36pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

As I posted elsewhere, if Sarah Palin doesn’t make you hate John McCain, Joe the Fake Plumber should.

34 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:04:00pm

“Imma acknowledge you got some dead kids,
but now I’m gonna talk about what’s really important. Me.”

35 Justanotherhuman  May 27, 2014 6:06:05pm

Hey not Joe not a plumber:

36 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 6:06:13pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

That’s why they’re fringe.

Yeah, but isn’t it weird to type fringe when discussing what was the actual GOP? What only a few years ago was the real fringe now looks to be the new normal. Just crazy how fast that all changed.

Oh, Obama built that!

37 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 6:06:17pm

Margaret Sullivan has been very friendly with Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, and her biases are just reeking in this piece.

38 palomino  May 27, 2014 6:08:26pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

As I posted elsewhere, if Sarah Palin doesn’t make you hate John McCain, Joe the Fake Plumber should.

It was such a desperate move by McCain’s camp that it became laughable. Not only did he have a halfwit running mate. But for several weeks he was also reduced to dragging around this non-plumber named Joe like a mannequin wherever he was campaigning. It was like a TV commercial made by people with no experience in advertising or PR.

The whole thing was only successful for one guy—-Joe (or Sam or whoever the fuck he really is).

39 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:09:46pm

re: #38 palomino

Now he has the chance to sell a book he didn’t write to a bunch of people who don’t read.

40 wrenchwench  May 27, 2014 6:10:56pm
41 b.d.  May 27, 2014 6:13:00pm
42 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 6:13:53pm

One of the hazards of living on a bike route in Portland
Naked Bike Ride scheduled for June 7 in Portland

43 wrenchwench  May 27, 2014 6:14:40pm

Later, lizards.

44 b_sharp  May 27, 2014 6:14:41pm

Does the right to guns supersede this?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

45 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 6:15:47pm

re: #36 ObserverArt

Yeah, but isn’t it weird to type fringe when discussing what was the actual GOP? What only a few years ago was the real fringe now looks to be the new normal. Just crazy how fast that all changed.

Oh, Obama built that!

I was just trying to think of someone in the GOP who comes across as a moderate in public. I can’t think of anyone anymore. They all have to run as far to the right as possible now, or get challenged by a TPer or attacked by Rush Limbaugh.

46 nines09  May 27, 2014 6:16:31pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

Seriously, are these guys really fringe figures in the GOP now? Just look at the two loons the Texas GOP put in a runoff for Lt. Gov.

Look at who leads the polling for GOP candidate for Gov in CA.

I don’t think Joe (or Todd) are fringe figures at all in their party. The only fringe people left in the GOP now are the moderates.

So I guess you didn’t hear the OUTRAGE from the GOP on Joe The Non Plumbers’ insanely self absorbed “You lost a kid, fuck off” memo? Me neither. The only thing the GOP stands for anymore is crazy. Sociopathic insanity.

47 goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2014 6:16:35pm

Even if you technically feel this way, why say it? By making their case in such horribly inept, tone deaf, off putting terms people like Wurzlebacher are actually undermining the long term viability of the very unfettered gun rights they champion. Nobody outside the militant and insular gun nut crowd sees an argument like that and thinks ‘Mmm hmm, that’s some compelling, eloquent shit you said there Joe.”

48 klys  May 27, 2014 6:18:04pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Does the right to guns supersede this?

The current answer appears to be yes, because it’s always the victim’s fault.

Next question?

49 Justanotherhuman  May 27, 2014 6:18:37pm

re: #46 nines09

So I guess you didn’t hear the OUTRAGE from the GOP on Joe The Non Plumbers’ insanely self absorbed “You lost a kid, fuck off” memo? Me neither. The only thing the GOP stands for anymore is crazy. Sociopathic insanity.

Seriously.

Tea party favorite Ken Paxton wins Republican nomination for Texas attorney general in runoff - @AP
Read more on miamiherald.com

50 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:19:50pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

OK now! You can now save a Page as a draft, work on it for as long as you like without publishing it, and when you finally do publish it, it will look just like a new Page to the system and show up at the top of the Recent list.

Tested and working. It was a bit trickier than I thought it would be, because information for Pages is distributed among four different MySQL tables.

Woohoo, thank youuuuuu!

51 nines09  May 27, 2014 6:19:57pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

They have voters and money and will continue to have voters and money.

52 Swift2991  May 27, 2014 6:20:16pm

You can tell if his kid was killed, it would be another plot by the Marxist Obama. Death panels. This guy is almost as bad as William Kristol as a predictor.

Would it be an intrusion into your rights if you needed to get a license, first, and to exhibit proficiency and self-control, and a psych evaluation? A search on the NCIS for criminal acts? Permanent record of you owning gun with serial number and everything? Something which you could lose if your shrink can say “Not to be trusted” with a gun? Because he’s been your shrink for four months, and you seem to be a danger to yourself and others? No purchase of a gun without a check is legal? Illegal gun purchases, ten years? Make federal law capable of catching profiteering smugglers? Because that’s what “Fast and Furious” was a sign of: Republicans aren’t “Law and Order” anymore, if they ever were.

53 palomino  May 27, 2014 6:22:00pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

One of the hazards of living on a bike route in Portland
Naked Bike Ride scheduled for June 7 in Portland

Those naked people should all be pepper sprayed.

I think a lot of them have trust funds too. They should be pepper sprayed twice.

54 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 6:23:33pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

I was just trying to think of someone in the GOP who comes across as a moderate in public. I can’t think of anyone anymore. They all have to run as far to the right as possible now, or get challenged by a TPer or attacked by Rush Limbaugh.

I was originally thinking that, and was going to openly ask the LGF folks who would be considered a GOP moderate?

I admit, I am not following every GOP politician. Got enough to worry about with The Orange Man, Rob Portman and Johnny Kasich, my congressidiot Pat Tiberi (Who??? Yeah, no one knows him) and others in Ohio.

55 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 6:25:25pm
56 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 6:25:31pm

re: #46 nines09

So I guess you didn’t hear the OUTRAGE from the GOP on Joe The Non Plumbers’ insanely self absorbed “You lost a kid, fuck off” memo? Me neither. The only thing the GOP stands for anymore is crazy. Sociopathic insanity.

Joe’s just a 15 minutes of fame nobody. What I don’t hear is the OUTRAGE from the GOP against Kincannon’s obscene tweets, since he is somebody in the GOP.

57 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 6:25:32pm

Krauthammer: Obama’s Afghanistan plan is ‘an act of personal narcissism’

dept of unintentional self psychoanalysis

58 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:26:27pm

re: #53 palomino

Those naked people should all be pepper sprayed.

I think a lot of them have trust funds too. They should be pepper sprayed twice.

Maybe even three times, just for good measure. //

59 Justanotherhuman  May 27, 2014 6:26:32pm

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

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Pure swill.

60 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 6:26:58pm
61 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 6:27:30pm

re: #53 palomino

Those naked people should all be pepper sprayed.

I think a lot of them have trust funds too. They should be pepper sprayed twice.

Most of the riders are just out to have fun but this ride does attract Critical Mass-types too. There have been some problems in years past.

62 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 6:27:31pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

I was originally thinking that, and was going to openly ask the LGF folks who would be considered a GOP moderate?

I admit, I am not following every GOP politician. Got enough to worry about with The Orange Man, Rob Portman and Johnny Kasich, my congressidiot Pat Tiberi (Who??? Yeah, no one knows him) and others in Ohio.

There may still be closet moderates, but nobody dares admit it openly now.

63 Kid A  May 27, 2014 6:27:50pm

So who solicited Joe’s opinion on this anyway? That’s some serious chutzpah on his part to think that anyone gives a flying fuck what he has to say.

64 Justanotherhuman  May 27, 2014 6:28:06pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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He might look like Cruise by then and can play himself.

65 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 27, 2014 6:29:01pm
Cabbage Hammer

This plant is the lower-powered version of the Melon Hammer. It can’t protect the lawn from Bungees or make zombies dizzy, but it can reflect Imps and destroy most lobbed projectiles, and reflect basically all it can’t destroy. It has less power than the Melon Hammer, but it’s still useful.

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66 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:29:51pm

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

” Our Sauvignon blanc shows the purity and character that are the result of minimal intervention and handling*.”
wine.com

*doubtful

67 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 27, 2014 6:29:52pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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You mean, Snowden jumped the sh coach?

68 goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2014 6:30:13pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

I was originally thinking that, and was going to openly ask the LGF folks who would be considered a GOP moderate?

D_F would say Mark Kirk. But the guy upheld the GOP filibuster during their attempt to shut down the government last year, refused to allow a clean CR to come to a vote.

I don’t know how moderate a person can be after they’ve literally held the economy hostage.

69 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 27, 2014 6:30:14pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Margaret Sullivan has been very friendly with Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, and her biases are just reeking in this piece.

I have to say I have been severely disappointed in most all of the Times’ “Public Editors.” They hem and haw too much.

Also, “who gets to decide what the government keeps secret in a democracy?” is a completely legitimate beef Kinsley has with Greenwald. And it’s highly arguable that 90 percent of the shit that GG is pumping out of Snowden’s archives is stuff that should be secret, as evidenced by the various diplomatic shitstorms the release of said information has created.

And there is no telling how many of those shitstorms are occurring behind closed doors within the intelligence community.

70 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 6:30:20pm

re: #63 Kid A

So who solicited Joe’s opinion on this anyway? That’s some serious chutzpah on his part to think that anyone gives a flying fuck what he has to say.

He’s the dollar store male Palin. Probably time to pay the rent again. Feed on the outrage. Good people!

/

71 Kid A  May 27, 2014 6:31:01pm

The guy running for state Senator in my hood (Texas) voted against providing poor kids something to eat at school as a state representative. I got a text from a “friend” reminding me to vote for said politician. How do you think my reply went?

72 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 6:31:07pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

Seriously.

Tea party favorite Ken Paxton wins Republican nomination for Texas attorney general in runoff - @AP
Read more on miamiherald.com

Looks like teabagger Dan Patrick will win the Lt. Gov. slot.

73 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 6:31:21pm

warning warning random car picture

1939 BMW 327 ROADSTER

74 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:32:27pm

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

Even if you technically feel this way, why say it? By making their case in such horribly inept, tone deaf, off putting terms people like Wurzlebacher are actually undermining the long term viability of the very unfettered gun rights they champion. Nobody outside the militant and insular gun nut crowd sees an argument like that and thinks ‘Mmm hmm, that’s some compelling, eloquent shit you said there Joe.”

THIS. As a parent I can’t think of any circumstances under which I’d say something like that to another person who’d just lost a child, even f I wasn’t saying it to them face-to-face. AFAIK, none of the victims has even been buried yet, FFS.

75 Kid A  May 27, 2014 6:32:59pm

re: #72 Skip Intro

Looks like teabagger Dan Patrick will win the Lt. Gov. slot.

I’m glad that dipshit Patrick won. Why? So Luticia can kick his ass in November.

76 b.d.  May 27, 2014 6:33:30pm

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

A mystery Sauvignon Blanc in a dark bottle, from someone you don’t know, that pays homage to a thief?

Drink up!

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77 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:33:36pm
78 b.d.  May 27, 2014 6:34:41pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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With Edward Snowden’s latest boasts about being trained as super-secret undercover spy, there’s only one actor for the movie: Tom Cruise.

Not Chuck Barris?

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79 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:34:42pm

re: #73 dog philosopher

*whistles* Beautiful. I love cars with flowing, curvy lines.

80 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 6:34:49pm

It’s been in production longer than any car on sale today, but the Hindustan Ambassador may have finally reached the end of the road.

India’s oldest car factory has abruptly suspended production of the hulking Ambassador sedan that has a nearly seven-decade history as the car of the Indian elite.

It was unclear how long manufacturing will be on hold, but Kolkata-based Hindustan Motors said Monday it hopes to resume making the so-called “Amby” after a period of restructuring and clearing of its debts.

81 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:35:24pm

re: #73 dog philosopher

I wish they could bring some of that styling back.

82 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 6:37:06pm
83 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 6:37:21pm

re: #81 jaunte

I wish they could bring some of that styling back.

i’d gladly pay for a car that looks like a stylish 30s car but with a modern engine and safety features

can’t understand why manufacturers don’t build em…

84 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:37:29pm
85 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 6:38:25pm

re: #81 jaunte

I wish they could bring some of that styling back.

You could have bought the Delahaye Roadster for a mere $6.6 million a couple of months ago.

86 goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2014 6:39:48pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

THIS. As a parent I can’t think of any circumstances under which I’d say something like that to another person who’d just lost a child, even f I wasn’t saying it to them face-to-face. AFAIK, none of the victims has even been buried yet, FFS.

I feel like it’s incredibly difficult for modern conservatives to not say the horrible things they’re thinking. Different people have different levels of inhibition of course, but in my experience when you get them in a private discussion they’re often just itching to say or defend something atrociously racist, sexist, classist or that just plain contains hideous implications.

87 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:40:43pm
88 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 6:41:20pm

LOLWUT

89 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 6:41:55pm

re: #86 goddamnedfrank

I feel like it’s incredibly difficult for modern conservatives to not say the horrible things they’re thinking. Different people have different levels of inhibition of course, but in my experience when you get them in a private discussion they’re often just itching to say or defend something atrociously racist, sexist, classist or that just plain contains hideous implications.

they get a transgressive thrill that’s exciting and addictive

90 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:42:02pm

re: #87 jaunte

I am SO glad I got the hell outta there when I did. *smh*

91 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:42:39pm

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

Ewwwww

92 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 6:43:21pm

re: #73 dog philosopher

warning warning random car picture

1939 BMW 327 ROADSTER

Love it. I had both the fortune and misfortune of owning a ‘71 BMW Bavaria. That was one of their first 6 cylinder sedans for America. It had that beautiful 3 liter straight 6 with the huge timing chain. It would purr like a motorboat at idle or low throttle and then growl with the whine of the chain when opened up.

I only got to drive it for a few months though, as it self-destructed the rather costly 3-speed ZF automatic transmission. The guy, a client, I bought it from had tranny problems with it, and got fed up, had another company put it together for a second time and then he sold it to me for some graphics work I had done for him.

By the time it blew up on me there was nothing left to fix, and I sure didn’t have money to get a used one from Germany. Company that looked at it said the main shaft had been scored by someone not having the proper tools to put the gears on it. They also saw ‘peen’ marks on the gear faces. I guess that was how they stacked them.

Sold it to a BMW mechanic for him to restore. He may have put a 2800 4-speed in it. Fastest sedan I ever drove for the time. Very rare car.

93 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 27, 2014 6:44:12pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

I am SO glad I got the hell outta there when I did. *smh*

I grew up there, and it was never as bad as it has become. As corrupt as the politics can be in the state I live in now, I’ll take it over what Texas politics is any day of the week.

94 goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2014 6:44:26pm

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWUT

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Lately I’m seeing some really dubious portraiture choices coming out of Eastern Europe.

95 Kid A  May 27, 2014 6:44:48pm

Dan Patrick is a despicable, theocratic piece of shit. Trust me.

96 Kragar  May 27, 2014 6:46:02pm

When was the last time “Joe” or these other fucktards showed up to perform their duties as part of a well regulated militia on behalf of the Federal government, as intended by the Founding Fathers?

97 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 6:46:18pm

re: #77 jaunte

[Embedded image] 1937 Delahaye Competition Court Torpedo Roadster

Sweet graphics with the paint treatment. Wow.

98 darthstar  May 27, 2014 6:46:54pm

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWUT

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99 Kragar  May 27, 2014 6:46:59pm

And I just got my first tweet that got retweeted over 100 times

100 Belafon  May 27, 2014 6:49:17pm
101 jaunte  May 27, 2014 6:49:38pm
102 Gus  May 27, 2014 6:49:47pm

Roundels and invasion stripes.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 6:51:08pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

I am SO glad I got the hell outta there when I did. *smh*

104 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 6:52:12pm
105 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:52:54pm

re: #93 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I grew up there, and it was never as bad as it has become. As corrupt as the politics can be in the state I live in now, I’ll take it over what Texas politics is any day of the week.

Yeah, I was born & raised there. Left in ‘98, about 7 years after I’d become Muslim—couldn’t take it anymore. I’ve been very happy here on the East Coast. Never looked back, though there are some things I miss once in a while (like good Tex-Mex food & BBQ, bluebonnets in March, cheap housing, etc.)

106 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 6:52:58pm

Oh, snap. See the update.

Kinsley, Greenwald and Government Secrets

It would be egregious journalistic practice for us as editors at the Book Review to try to tell a reviewer his or her review should be more positive or more negative, that a book should be liked more or less because a friend or enemy wrote it, because of our own personal viewpoints or because of some other hidden agenda.

107 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 6:53:54pm

OMG radical tea party extremism!

The 13 Assembly members who voted against the bill include Republican gubernatorial candidate Tim Donnelly and other lawmakers who are largely from areas in or surrounding Los Angeles County, where most U.S. adult films are shot.

108 Belafon  May 27, 2014 6:54:14pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Big government just got bigger

Will big government throb later?

109 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:54:39pm

re: #102 Gus

I’ve been meaning to ask you about your new Twitter avatar—I don’t get it, haven’t been following the goings on very closely the past few days…

110 Gus  May 27, 2014 6:55:08pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Big government just got bigger

California Assembly passes bill mandating porn film condoms

AIDS, STDs?

111 klys  May 27, 2014 6:56:12pm

St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin, Ireland

The other view I shot; this one worked well in B&W.

112 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:56:47pm

re: #111 klys

St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin, Ireland

The other view I shot; this one worked well in B&W.

Oh, wow. Nice!

113 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 6:57:09pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Oh, snap. See the update.

Kinsley, Greenwald and Government Secrets

114 Gus  May 27, 2014 6:57:26pm

re: #109 CuriousLurker

I’ve been meaning to ask you about your new Twitter avatar—I don’t get it, haven’t been following the goings on very closely the past few days…

70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion of France. Saw this person’s avi and decided to make my own version. He followed me and asked if he could use it for his face book. Invasion stripes are the black and white stripes that were put on allied aircraft for the invasion.

115 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:57:46pm

re: #111 klys

Lens/settings?

116 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 6:58:25pm

re: #114 Gus

70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion of France. Saw this person’s avi and decided to make my own version. He followed me and asked if he could use it for his face book. Invasion stripes are the black and white stripes that were put on allied aircraft for the invasion.

Ohhhh, okay. Cool. ;)

117 klys  May 27, 2014 6:58:29pm

re: #112 CuriousLurker

Oh, wow. Nice!

There was a definite thing with architectural aspects this trip.

The Long Room, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland

118 Kragar  May 27, 2014 6:58:41pm

Almost dinner time:

119 Gus  May 27, 2014 6:58:47pm
120 darthstar  May 27, 2014 6:59:08pm
121 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 6:59:13pm

You know, Every time there is a incident of a mass killinging. The outrage from both the left and right is predicable.

The Left. More Regulation and psych evals.
The right. More Guns and none of the above.

But no one pays attention when the perp is driving a car.

Wonder why? Have you?

122 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 6:59:17pm

re: #108 Belafon

Will big government throb later?

and then a nap.

123 EmmaAnne  May 27, 2014 6:59:39pm

re: #81 jaunte

I wish they could bring some of that styling back.

Can’t be done. That styling kills mileage dead.

124 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 7:00:08pm

re: #120 darthstar

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Hey I made that meme!

So nice to see it go viral. :)

125 klys  May 27, 2014 7:01:17pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

Lens/settings?

The cathedral was f/3.5 and 1/30 sec, ISO 1600.

The library is f/3.5 and 1/30 sec, ISO 4500. Not great for blowing up big, but no tripods allowed so you do what you can.

I need to get better about not shooting wide open. /sigh

126 klys  May 27, 2014 7:02:05pm

re: #125 klys

The cathedral was f/3.5 and 1/30 sec, ISO 1600.

The library is f/3.5 and 1/30 sec, ISO 4500. Not great for blowing up big, but no tripods allowed so you do what you can.

I need to get better about not shooting wide open. /sigh

Oh, right. Lenses. Both shot with my 18-135mm, both at 18mm (which I think on my camera equates to 24).

127 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 7:02:31pm

Assad got some fan mail
Bashar al-Assad posts a letter of support from a Virginia state senator

A letter from Virginia state Sen. Richard Black praising Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was posted to the Syrian president’s Facebook page Sunday. Black (R-Loudoun County) confirmed sending the letter in a phone call with The Post’s Laura Vozzella.

“I write to thank the Syrian Arab Army for its heroic rescue of Christians in the Qalamoun Mountain Range,” the letter begins. Black praises the Syrian army’s efforts against the forces that have been challenging Assad’s power for several years, which the letter claims are “dominated by our arch-enemy Al Qaeda.” By protecting Christians in the country, Assad has “followed the practice of [his] father by treating with respect all Christians and the small community of Jews in Damascus.” Black provided The Post with a copy of the letter he sent.

128 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 7:02:38pm

Speaking of random car pictures…

Ain’t it purty?

129 Belafon  May 27, 2014 7:02:58pm

re: #121 Bubblehead II

But no one pays attention when the perp is driving a car.

Except I remember every time some 70+ year old person drives through a restaurant there is a push to require them to test every year. Also, there’s a difference: You’re required to have car insurance. Eventually, it gets too expensive. And when you don’t have insurance, your car can get towed.

130 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 7:03:31pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Can your sauce be any weaker?

131 William Barnett-Lewis  May 27, 2014 7:03:46pm

re: #125 klys

Not sure what camera you use but a 1.8 or 1.4 normal lens is your friend at times like that. Especially if you can use old cheap manual focus lenses with an adapter.

132 dog philosopher  May 27, 2014 7:03:58pm

re: #117 klys

There was a definite thing with architectural aspects this trip.

The Long Room, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland

ah yes briefly got to see that

me coosin has becoom irish

133 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 7:05:03pm

re: #126 klys

Yeah, those architecture shots where you start wishing you had a super wide angle zoom. They came out great though.

134 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 7:05:35pm
135 klys  May 27, 2014 7:06:06pm

re: #131 William Barnett-Lewis

Not sure what camera you use but a 1.8 or 1.4 normal lens is your friend at times like that. Especially if you can use old cheap manual focus lenses with an adapter.

I have a Pentax K-5. I’ve shied away from primes so far in part because I hate switching lenses - I like having one that’s pretty much on there and I go, especially for travel where I have to carry things around.

On the other hand, there is a very, very sexy 12-24mm that I would love.

136 klys  May 27, 2014 7:07:05pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Yeah, those architecture shots where you start wishing you had a super wide angle zoom. They came out great though.

I have a landscapes addiction. But also wildlife.

And this is still a hobby so I am trying not to not spend an arm and five legs. WHICH AS YOU KNOW is totally possible.

137 Kid A  May 27, 2014 7:07:18pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Yeah, that Tea Party movement in California just keeps picking up steam, huh?

138 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 7:07:31pm

Glenn Beck’s The Blaze Mocks Sexual Assault With “RAPE!” Skits

TeaParty Extremism!
Oh wait, it actually is!

139 teleskiguy  May 27, 2014 7:08:17pm

Every now and again, a stupid *sponsored* link ends up in my Facebook feed. Tonight, one came through, “29 Celebs DRUNK & WASTED.”

Drunk celebs! Funny! Foolishly, I clicked.

They were all women. ALL. OF. THEM.

#YesAllWomen

140 William Barnett-Lewis  May 27, 2014 7:10:26pm

re: #135 klys

I have a Pentax K-5. I’ve shied away from primes so far in part because I hate switching lenses - I like having one that’s pretty much on there and I go, especially for travel where I have to carry things around.

On the other hand, there is a very, very sexy 12-24mm that I would love.

Gotcha. For me the higher IQ of primes have always outweighed the slight convenience.

141 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 7:10:39pm

Iran must be shipping their condoms to California
Iran’s Population Drive Worries Women’s Rights, Health Advocates

Iran’s supreme leader has called for a population increase, in an edict likely to restrict access to contraception that critics fear could damage women’s rights and public health.

In order to fight AIDS, our only route is to distribute and teach people to use condoms,” Dr Minoo Moharez, head of the AIDS Research Centre at Tehran University told Shargh daily.

“If, based on some policies, the distribution of condoms in the country is faced with limitations, it will cause horrible events, the increase of AIDS patients from unprotected sex will be compounded,” she added.

142 Kid A  May 27, 2014 7:10:49pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

Remember when Glenn Beck was relevant, interesting and sane? Yeah, when he was drunk off his ass and snorting blow.

143 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 7:11:28pm
Riding a wave of conservative sentiment that Texas Republicans were not being led with a hard enough edge, state Sen. Dan Patrick crushed Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in Tuesday’s Republican primary runoff election for lieutenant governor, ending the career of a dominant figure in state politics for the last dozen years.

The Associated Press called the race shortly after 8 p.m., just an hour after polls closed in most of the state. As votes were still being counted, Patrick was winning by a margin of 64 percent to 36 percent.

statesman.com

And now the GOP in Texas is now officially dead, replaced by the Tea Party.

144 Belafon  May 27, 2014 7:13:09pm

re: #143 Skip Intro

Ralph Hall is currently losing his reelection effort: dallasnews.com

145 klys  May 27, 2014 7:13:48pm

re: #140 William Barnett-Lewis

Gotcha. For me the higher IQ of primes have always outweighed the slight convenience.

It’s a tough call, but for what I do the convenience - especially when out and about all day while travelling, which is where I do 95% of my shooting - matters a lot.

Right now my current wish list is the aforementioned 12-24mm zoom and then probably a 100-300mm zoom. Both for more nature-oriented stuff; I can get by on most urban travelling with the 18-135mm.

146 Kid A  May 27, 2014 7:15:18pm

re: #143 Skip Intro

And it’s a good thing because that dumbfuck Patrick is an easier opponent for Leticia Van de Putte to defeat in November. I’d put my money on her.

147 Charles Johnson  May 27, 2014 7:15:34pm

Justin Raimondo says…

littlegreenfootballs.com

148 ObserverArt  May 27, 2014 7:16:15pm

To go with my #92. This is a ‘72 BMW Bavaria. Classic BMW styling.

1972 BMW Bavaria

Another story about the car. I had an uncle that did not like German or Japanese cars. Wouldn’t allow them to be parked in his driveway. World War 2 vet.

149 Belafon  May 27, 2014 7:16:33pm

re: #129 Belafon

That required a downding Bubblehead?

150 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:18:13pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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151 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 7:18:27pm

re: #144 Belafon

Ralph Hall is currently losing his reelection effort: dallasnews.com

I see that Linda Koop has beaten teabagger Stefani Carter so the GOP isn’t quite dead yet, just on life support.

152 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 7:19:50pm

re: #136 klys

I have a landscapes addiction. But also wildlife.

And this is still a hobby so I am trying not to not spend an arm and five legs. WHICH AS YOU KNOW is totally possible.

Okay, WTF—do you work for the NSA?? How did you know that I finally caved and ordered the Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro today? I got the old one, not the new image stabilized L-series (too expensive that one). I spent several days wrestling with myself over it and trying to decide between that and the 70-200mm f/4 L which, even with the rebates going on right now, would’ve cost me about $150 more.*

It’s due here tomorrow so… Eeeeeek! I’m excited.

You guys are gonna get sooooo sick of macro shots, ‘cause I’m determined to get my money’s worth out of it.

———————————————————-

*I already have a 55-250mm zoom. It’s not the greatest, but it’ll do for now which meant I couldn’t convince myself that I needed the L right now.

I’ve already put aside the 18-55mm kits lens, the nifty fifty, and the 85mm f/1.8 because I really don’t use them much. I figure if I can go a few weeks without wanting to drag them back out, then I’ll sell just them. *sigh*

153 klys  May 27, 2014 7:20:45pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

Okay, WTF—do you work of the NSA?? How did you know that I finally caved and ordered the Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro today? I got the old one, not the new image stabilized L-series (too expensive that one). I spent several days wrestling with myself over it and trying to decide between that and the 70-200mm f/4 L which, even with the rebates going on right now, would’ve cost me about $150 more.*

It’s due here tomorrow so… Eeeeeek! I’m excited.

You guys are gonna get sooooo sick of macro shots, ‘cause I’m determined to get my money’s worth out of it.

———————————————————-

*I already have a 55-250mm zoom. It’s not the greatest, but it’ll do for now which meant I couldn’t convince myself that I needed the L right now.

I’ve already put aside the 18-55mm kits lens, the nifty fifty, and the 85mm f/1.8 because I really don’t use them much. I figure if I can go a few weeks without wanting to drag them back out, then I’ll sell just them. *sigh*

I’M MAGIC.

154 jaunte  May 27, 2014 7:21:02pm
“…Acosta and another man, who has not been identified, were drinking alcohol at Ginnie Springs around 9 p.m. when for unknown reasons, Acosta allegedly shot the man in the upper right side of his body with a handgun”
gainesville.com
155 Kid A  May 27, 2014 7:21:51pm
156 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 27, 2014 7:22:00pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

The first paragraph of Sullivan’s piece pretty well sums up what’s wrong with print these days.

Michael Kinsley’s review of Glenn Greenwald’s new book, “No Place to Hide” hasn’t even appeared in the printed Book Review yet - that won’t happen until June 8

157 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 7:22:12pm

So this is a meme.

158 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 7:23:34pm

There are MOAR TWEETS but you get the picture.

159 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 7:23:53pm

re: #129 Belafon

Except I remember every time some 70+ year old person drives through a restaurant there is a push to require them to test every year. Also, there’s a difference: You’re required to have car insurance. Eventually, it gets too expensive. And when you don’t have insurance, your car can get towed.

Non Sequitur. Those were accidents by the elderly. What’s to stop a nut job with a message from god from driving into a Gay Pride parade at full speed with a SUV equipped with a scythe attached to the front end, cutting down anyone in his/her path?

Nothing.

Anyone can buy a car. Anyone can attach lethal devices to it. It’s just as lethal as as gun when used with the intent to kill.

The only difference is that a gun IS DESIGNED to kill. That is its sole purpose purpose. A car not so much.

Bottom line. Things designed for other purposes, well they can also be used to kill. And kill in large numbers.

Think about it.

This is a fact. You can’t avoid it. Nor can you regulate it

160 CuriousLurker  May 27, 2014 7:25:02pm

Okay, it’s almost 10:30 PM here—enough with the computer already.

Nite, lizards.

161 Pie-onist Overlord  May 27, 2014 7:25:21pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

Okay, it’s almost 10:30 PM here—enough with the computer already.

Nite, lizards.

Gnite.

162 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 7:27:31pm

re: #149 Belafon

That required a downding Bubblehead?

Yep. Get used to it. My reply to you will probably generate a few negative ones for me as well. Such is life.

163 Belafon  May 27, 2014 7:27:50pm

re: #159 Bubblehead II

Those were accidents by the elderly. What’s to stop a nut job with a message from god from driving into a Gay Pride parade at full speed with a SUV equipped with a scythe attached to the front end, cutting down anyone in his/her path?

And tell me how often that has happened. Let’s compare the number of mass murders by cars with guns.

And you also answered your own fucking question:

The only difference is that a gun IS DESIGNED to kill

As you note, there is one and one one purpose for a gun.

164 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 7:28:54pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

Okay, it’s almost 10:30 PM here—enough with the computer already.

Nite, lizards.

Night CL.

165 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:31:59pm
166 Kid A  May 27, 2014 7:33:24pm

re: #165 Gus

Nice! Did you create that one?

167 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:34:14pm

re: #166 Kid A

Nice! Did you create that one?

Yeah, found the nose and glasses elsewhere though. :D

168 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:34:30pm

re: #166 Kid A

Nice! Did you create that one?

And it was a PNG with transparency so it was easy.

169 teleskiguy  May 27, 2014 7:35:34pm

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

These RWNJs always like to complain that liberals are trying to collectivize peoples, to make them all one. And here they are, lumping Democrats into one category, namely that all Democrats are amoral scuzzballs.

Frankly, it doesn’t bother me because I know there is nuance, shades of grey with most things - and that you have to examine things closely to really understand them - things that these cretinous RWNJs are incapable of.

Alouette, how do you take in all this sludge on Twitter day after day after day?

170 AntonSirius  May 27, 2014 7:36:29pm

Been listening to a lot of John Prine recently. This seems appropriate somehow at the moment:

But your flag decal won’t get you
Into Heaven any more.
They’re already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don’t like killin’
No matter what the reason’s for,
And your flag decal won’t get you
Into Heaven any more.

171 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:37:04pm
172 teleskiguy  May 27, 2014 7:39:00pm
173 Renaissance_Man  May 27, 2014 7:40:45pm

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

Even if you technically feel this way, why say it? By making their case in such horribly inept, tone deaf, off putting terms people like Wurzlebacher are actually undermining the long term viability of the very unfettered gun rights they champion. Nobody outside the militant and insular gun nut crowd sees an argument like that and thinks ‘Mmm hmm, that’s some compelling, eloquent shit you said there Joe.”

Actually, saying things like this, disgusting as it is, does nothing to undermine the long term viability of unfettered access to guns. Americans individually may not agree with these sentiments, but as a collective they do.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, will threaten unfettered gun access. Shooting twenty six-year-olds couldn’t do it. Nothing will.

174 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:42:11pm

Snowden in disguise, with glasses.
Snowden in disguise, with glasses.
Ah, ahhhh.

175 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:42:28pm
176 teleskiguy  May 27, 2014 7:42:32pm

YES!

That stupid column in the Washington Post that got Seth Rogen and Judd Apatow all in a tizzy on Twitter gets the concise and awesome tweet analysis it deserves!

177 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:42:45pm
178 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 7:45:06pm

re: #163 Belafon

And tell me how often that has happened. Let’s compare the number of mass murders by cars with guns.

Ok, you have seemed to have missed the point. So I will spell it out for you in simple terms.

1. Liberals. Get rid of guns.
2. Conservatives. More Guns
3. Me. Regardless of what the fuck the law says, if I want an bunch of people dead. I will find a way to do so. And I will use any method that is within my means.

Get the point?

The choice of weapon isn’t the problem. It’s the desire to do so that is.

And a person who wants to kill, will find a way.

Understand now?

179 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 7:49:04pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

Ok, you have seemed to have missed the point. So I will spell it out for you in simple terms.

1. Liberals. Get rid of guns.
2. Conservatives. More Guns
3. Me. Regardless of what the fuck the law says, if I want an bunch of people dead. I will find a way to do so. And I will use any method that is within my means.

Get the point?

The choice of weapon isn’t the problem. It’s the desire to do so that is.

And a person who wants to kill, will find a way.

Understand now?

I guess that’s why there are just as many mass murders in other countries with tighter gun laws, but they’re all done by people with cars.

Oh, wait.

180 Skip Intro  May 27, 2014 7:50:26pm

A tax cheating deadbeat just has to grift.

gofundme.com

181 Renaissance_Man  May 27, 2014 7:51:23pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

Ok, you have seemed to have missed the point. So I will spell it out for you in simple terms.

1. Liberals. Get rid of guns.
2. Conservatives. More Guns
3. Me. Regardless of what the fuck the law says, if I want an bunch of people dead. I will find a way to do so. And I will use any method that is within my means.

Get the point?

The choice of weapon isn’t the problem. It’s the desire to do so that is.

And a person who wants to kill, will find a way.

Understand now?

Except that in all the other countries that have gun laws and restrict access, there isn’t a corresponding increase in car mass murders, or homemade bomb mass murders, or mass stabbings, or mass icepick murders. Despite the common availability of cars and fertiliser, people inexplicably don’t find a way to commit an average of two mass killings a month. Furthermore, they somehow don’t find a way to stab or run over or poison 100,000+ extra people a year to make up for the lack of availability to guns to do it with.

182 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:52:11pm
183 teleskiguy  May 27, 2014 7:54:22pm

Fucking misogynistic bullshit on a Twitter account with over a million followers.

#YesAllWomen has changed the way I think about my fellow sisters of the world. It’s an immense call for asshole men to realize that women are people and not objects. On Sunday morning, I read some of the most raw tweets from women, I knew the hashtag was real and powerful. You can’t tell me that a certain hashtag on Twitter can’t have an impact.

184 BongCrodny  May 27, 2014 7:55:01pm

re: #170 AntonSirius

Been listening to a lot of John Prine recently. This seems appropriate somehow at the moment:

But your flag decal won’t get you
Into Heaven any more.
They’re already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don’t like killin’
No matter what the reason’s for,
And your flag decal won’t get you
Into Heaven any more.

I went to a concert a few years ago at Wolf Trap in Virginia; Prine was the featured attraction.

A couple of conservative friends were with us.

When he played that song, they left.

185 Gus  May 27, 2014 7:55:04pm

186 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 7:57:04pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

I guess that’s why there are just as many mass murders in other countries with tighter gun laws, but they’re all done by people with cars.

Oh, wait.

My point was and still is. Regardless of the law, if someone wants to engage in mass murder they will.

Anders Behring Breivik

Oh, and as far as cars go.

Car Bomb at Liquor Store in Northern Iraq Kills 12

Want to try again?

187 Kid A  May 27, 2014 7:57:11pm

re: #182 Gus

GUS, STOP!!!!!

188 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 27, 2014 7:58:17pm

re: #184 BongCrodny

I went to a concert a few years ago at Wolf Trap in Virginia; Prine was the featured attraction.

A couple of conservative friends were with us.

When he played that song, they left.

They’ve obviously not heard much John Prine before.

189 jaunte  May 27, 2014 7:59:34pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

With Edward Snowden’s latest boasts about being trained as super-secret undercover spy, there’s only one actor for the movie: Tom Cruise.


Edward Norton could pull it off.

190 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 8:02:47pm

re: #186 Bubblehead II

My point was and still is. Regardless of the law, if someone wants to engage in mass murder they will.

Anders Behring Breivik

Oh, and as far as cars go.

Car Bomb at Liquor Store in Northern Iraq Kills 12

Want to try again?

Tell me of all the mass killings by car that wrack Europe.

191 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 27, 2014 8:05:39pm

Hey, how did this slip under my radar?
Anti-Obama author D’Souza pleads guilty to campaign finance violation

(Reuters) - Conservative author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a campaign finance law violation, avoiding a trial that had been expected to begin the same day in a Manhattan federal court.

D’Souza, known for his biting criticism of President Barack Obama, pleaded guilty to one criminal count of making illegal contributions in the names of others. A second count concerning the making of false statements is expected to be dismissed once he is sentenced.

(snip)

Lawyers for both sides agreed that under advisory federal sentencing guidelines, D’Souza faces between 10 and 16 months in prison. Brafman, however, indicated he would ask Berman not to impose prison time, telling reporters D’Souza is a “fundamentally honorable man” who had committed an “isolated instance of wrongdoing.”

I hope he has to serve some time.

192 Dark_Falcon  May 27, 2014 8:06:12pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

I guess that’s why there are just as many mass murders in other countries with tighter gun laws, but they’re all done by people with cars.

Oh, wait.

Well, there was that gunman at the Jewish Museum of Belgium who shot 4 people, killing 3. He used a full-auto AKM assault rifle, which is illegal in Belgium, and only legal in the US if the full-auto rifle was registered prior to May of 1986 (and even then there are firm registration requirements). But that asshole didn’t care about the law and found a smuggled-in with which to mount his rampage.

So yeah, it’s first and foremost about the state of mind of the killer. A gun does not massacre people without a human being pulling its trigger.

193 jaunte  May 27, 2014 8:07:25pm

Our new Texas Attorney General:

“…Patrick saves his most hard-edged oratory for illegal immigrants. He blames them for a rising crime rate, overcrowded schools, an overburdened health-care system, and runaway growth in the state budget. “The number one problem we are facing,” he tells audiences, “is the silent invasion of the border. We are being overrun. It is imperiling our safety.”

“The crime rate is soaring,” he says, “and most of it can be tracked to illegal immigration. There are terrorists and drug runners coming into Texas and the sheriffs in 15 border counties are being asked to stop them with only a .45 on their hip and a shotgun in the trunk. They’ll tell you it’s the federal government’s responsibility,” he adds, “but the cavalry is not coming. It’s up to us to protect our borders.”

Illegal immigrants, moreover, are walking pathogens. “They are bringing Third World diseases with them,” Patrick asserts, citing “tuberculosis, malaria, polio and leprosy.”

…..

Several [in the audience] snap up free copies of The Second Most Important Book You Will Ever Read, Patrick’s inspirational book on reading the Bible, some of which he autographs. (A brief bio of Patrick on the back flap reports that his “number one goal in life is to serve the Lord in everything he does, spreading the Word of God as Jesus commanded.”)
texasobserver.org

Loves Anglo Jesus, hates Hispanic Jesus.

194 Gus  May 27, 2014 8:07:37pm

re: #189 jaunte

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Edward Norton could pull it off.

195 calochortus  May 27, 2014 8:08:09pm

re: #191 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hey, how did this slip under my radar?
Anti-Obama author D’Souza pleads guilty to campaign finance violation

I hope he has to serve some time.

What are the odds? Probably not good.
Wingnuts are saying he made an error in good faith and being a noble individual is now going to “take his medicine like a man.”

196 jaunte  May 27, 2014 8:08:19pm

re: #194 Gus

Identical!

197 Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 27, 2014 8:09:35pm

I remember growing up amongst my right wing family members hearing complaints about “politicians” ruining everything. The funny thing is, the right wing mindset is in itself totally political. Everything is subject to political rhetoric and legislation. Joe the (sometimes) Plumber is just another right winger who cannot go a single moment without throwing a political rant into any discussion, no matter how course or vile the situation might be.

198 calochortus  May 27, 2014 8:09:55pm

re: #193 jaunte

Our new Texas Attorney General:

Loves Anglo Jesus, hates Hispanic Jesus.

Great. What evidence does he offer that the crime rate is soaring? Is there something unique about Texas that draws crime? I think it is dropping most places over the last couple decades.

199 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 8:10:56pm

Dark, Bubblehead - you both point to INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS in other countries, incidents that stand out as unique or at least extremely rare, whereas in America they happen with alarming frequency.

Do you understand how totally uncompelling that argument is?

I’d also point out that the same day Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people, a knife-wielding maniac attacked 22 people in Japan, of whom not even one died.

200 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 8:11:09pm

Lizards, maybe I AM NOT MAKING MY POINT CLEAR.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the law, in what ever country the perp is in. If (s)he wants to kill in large numbers, they will do so so. No law will stop them. It is a fact of life.

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

201 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 8:12:07pm

re: #200 Bubblehead II

Lizards, maybe I AM NOT MAKING MY POINT CLEAR.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the law, in what ever country the perp is in. If (s)he wants to kill in large numbers, they will do so so. No law will stop them. It is a fact of life.

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

You made your point clear, but you didn’t make it convincingly.

202 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 8:12:25pm

re: #190 GeneJockey

Tell me of all the mass killings by car that wrack Europe.

Try Ireland and England. Seem they had more than a few.

203 Gus  May 27, 2014 8:12:39pm

re: #193 jaunte

Our new Texas Attorney General:

Loves Anglo Jesus, hates Hispanic Jesus.

Yeah, leprosy is a big problem in this country. O.o Derp.

204 BongCrodny  May 27, 2014 8:14:24pm

re: #188 Rev_Arthur_Belling

They’ve obviously not heard much John Prine before.

As I recall, it wasn’t too long after the Iraq war started; they may have conflated “Flag” as being against the Iraq war and not an anti-Vietnam song.

It’s not the first time I’ve seen that happened — about a year or so after I moved to the DC area, a bunch of the “Jimmy’s Tavern” regulars went to see Steve Earle in concert at the 9:30 club. Steve had recently released “Transcendental Blues,” which featured the song “Over Yonder,” an anti-death penalty song.

During the concert, Steve spoke about his opposition to the death penalty, and I’d guess about 20 or 30 people walked out of the concert right then and there.

I didn’t understand it myself — a leftist singer is going to sing leftist songs, and you’re going to get upset enough to walk out? — but I suppose a lot of them still thought of Earle from his mainstream country western “good ol’ boy” days.

205 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 8:15:09pm

I’d also suggest not conflating terrorist acts perpetrated by a political organization with crazy nihilist nutbags killing random people for no political reason. By that line of argument, one might say that allegedly guns were striclty controlled in Nazi Germany, and yet Nazi Germany managed to kill tens of millions of people.

206 Belafon  May 27, 2014 8:15:40pm

re: #186 Bubblehead II

Why don’t you try to find some comparable events here where, due to insurance restrictions and cost, cars are harder to get than guns.

207 wheat-dogghazi  May 27, 2014 8:17:22pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

Love it. I had both the fortune and misfortune of owning a ‘71 BMW Bavaria. That was one of their first 6 cylinder sedans for America. It had that beautiful 3 liter straight 6 with the huge timing chain. It would purr like a motorboat at idle or low throttle and then growl with the whine of the chain when opened up.

I only got to drive it for a few months though, as it self-destructed the rather costly 3-speed ZF automatic transmission. The guy, a client, I bought it from had tranny problems with it, and got fed up, had another company put it together for a second time and then he sold it to me for some graphics work I had done for him.

By the time it blew up on me there was nothing left to fix, and I sure didn’t have money to get a used one from Germany. Company that looked at it said the main shaft had been scored by someone not having the proper tools to put the gears on it. They also saw ‘peen’ marks on the gear faces. I guess that was how they stacked them.

Sold it to a BMW mechanic for him to restore. He may have put a 2800 4-speed in it. Fastest sedan I ever drove for the time. Very rare car.

In the ’80s, before my second child was born, I had a multi-colored ‘71 BMW 2002. It was mostly yellow, but different patch panels never got painted. No front bumper. No front grill. I had to spend a fortune getting the rear shock mounts repaired (unit construction), or one day a nice big bump would have ejected a shock and spring through the trunk floor. Everything else was operational, even if the car was ugly. Boy, was it fun to drive! I even drove it cross-country one or twice.

A doctor friend of mine had a Bavaria. His had the manual trans, so there were no tragedies like yours. He loved the car, but like me, had to face facts that our pet projects were too expensive to keep while also raising famlies - - even for him, a bone doctor.

With child #2 on the way, I had to upsize to a four-door car, at least. While tooling around town, I spotted a beige 1986 SAAB 900 parked in a car lot. I was not in the Bimmer, but our other car. (Forget which now.) There was a new salesman working that day. We talked about the SAAB. It was a used car, maybe 3 years old at the time, and in very good shape. We took it for a drive. (I had to show him where the ignition key goes in a SAAB.) He asked me if I had something to trade in. I said, sure, a ‘71 BMW 2002. Well, this guy estimated the trade-in price at around $2000 or $3000, sight unseen. I had warned him the car was a little rough looking, but decided I’d keep my mouth shut about the valuation.

Next day, I drove to the car dealer in the BMW. I can still remember the look on the guy’s face when he saw my car. It was not one of joy, let me tell you.
My ‘71 BMW 2002 Traded in for $2000 in 1989

208 Belafon  May 27, 2014 8:18:32pm

re: #200 Bubblehead II

And our point is this: places with more restrictions have significantly fewer gun related deaths. Your “someone who wants to will kill” fails to hold up under the evidence that is is happening less in other countries.

209 BongCrodny  May 27, 2014 8:18:39pm

re: #197 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I remember growing up amongst my right wing family members hearing complaints about “politicians” ruining everything. The funny thing is, the right wing mindset is in itself totally political. Everything is subject to political rhetoric and legislation. Joe the (sometimes) Plumber is just another right winger who cannot go a single moment without throwing a political rant into any discussion, no matter how course or vile the situation might be.

I know people — smart people — that vote for guys like that, because they’d rather vote for a guy that honestly speaks his mind (regardless of the contents or validity) over someone who equivocates or tries to be all things to all people. The premise, I guess, is that “at least you know what you’re getting.”

It’s probably how we ended up with Paul LePage as Governor.

210 Kragar  May 27, 2014 8:19:38pm

In case of guntards, break out facts:

211 Gus  May 27, 2014 8:20:47pm

re: #210 Kragar

In case of guntards, break out facts:

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They don’t do facts.

212 b_sharp  May 27, 2014 8:22:08pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

Ok, you have seemed to have missed the point. So I will spell it out for you in simple terms.

1. Liberals. Get rid of guns.
2. Conservatives. More Guns
3. Me. Regardless of what the fuck the law says, if I want an bunch of people dead. I will find a way to do so. And I will use any method that is within my means.

Get the point?

The choice of weapon isn’t the problem. It’s the desire to do so that is.

And a person who wants to kill, will find a way.

Understand now?

availability of guns makes the thought become action more readily.

213 Dark_Falcon  May 27, 2014 8:22:08pm

re: #200 Bubblehead II

Lizards, maybe I AM NOT MAKING MY POINT CLEAR.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the law, in what ever country the perp is in. If (s)he wants to kill in large numbers, they will do so so. No law will stop them. It is a fact of life.

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

Some such people can be stopped, as was a school shooter quite recently. But as we just saw, strict gun control laws in California (which the Santa Barbara shooter did not evade) did not prevent the rampage. But overall, the killer’s parents and the Santa Barbara police reacted as they should have. And frankly, this killing spree could have happened in Texas just as easily, because despite what some pro-gun people say, concealed carry isn’t aimed at this sort of active shooter.

Yes, you read right. Concealed carry by civilians, like the 2nd Amendment in general, is about deterrence. However, deterrence only works if the foe is rational about your abilities. A rampage killer is not rational in that way, as the Santa Barbara shooter proved when he fired on police. That sort of killer is driven by frustration, rage, and hatred, and the only thing that stops them is the use of main force.

214 b_sharp  May 27, 2014 8:24:32pm

re: #210 Kragar

In case of guntards, break out facts:

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Is this somehow supposed to be evidence that the left are innately evil?

Or just another spurious correlation attempt by the ignorant?

215 Kragar  May 27, 2014 8:25:01pm

re: #214 b_sharp

Is this somehow supposed to be evidence that the left are innately evil?

Or just another spurious correlation attempt by the ignorant?

Yes

216 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 27, 2014 8:26:38pm

re: #204 BongCrodny

I didn’t understand it myself — a leftist singer is going to sing leftist songs, and you’re going to get upset enough to walk out? — but I suppose a lot of them still thought of Earle from his mainstream country western “good ol’ boy” days.

Ah, they’d only heard “Copperhead Road” then. :)

Earle was never mainstream C/W, as anyone who’d heard his tales of Townes Van Zandt would have known.

But yeah, it’s a lot like getting pissed at Billy Bragg for being Billy Bragg.

217 wheat-dogghazi  May 27, 2014 8:27:08pm

re: #148 ObserverArt

Much better looking than mine. re: #207 Haha!

218 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 8:29:48pm

re: #206 Belafon

Why don’t you try to find some comparable events here where, due to insurance restrictions and cost, cars are harder to get than guns.

WTF? I don’t know where you are, But I can walk about 1/2 mile down the road and find a car for private sale, cash on barrelhead. No questions asked. Same for guns. I do live in Idaho.

219 BongCrodny  May 27, 2014 8:31:08pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

But as we just saw, strict gun control laws in California .

I wonder how strict California’s gun control laws really are — Rodgers bought three guns from three different dealers in three different cities in the past year.

After Friday’s shooting, authorities confirmed that all three of the semi-automatic handguns in Rodger’s possession were legally purchased sometime last year from federally licensed firearms dealers and were registered to the gunman. Rodger bought one of the handguns in Goleta, one in Oxnard and a third in Burbank.

International Business Times: California police lacked probable cause to confiscate shooter Eliot Rodger’s handguns

220 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:31:53pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Our strictest gun laws are a joke.

221 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:32:42pm
222 b_sharp  May 27, 2014 8:36:29pm

re: #218 Bubblehead II

WTF? I don’t know where you are, But I can walk about 1/2 mile down the road and find a car for private sale, cash on barrelhead. No questions asked. Same for guns. I do live in Idaho.

Can you drive the car without plates/insurance/driver’s license?

223 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:36:34pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Most of the riders are just out to have fun but this ride does attract Critical Mass-types too. There have been some problems in years past.

A statement that could be made about every gathering of humans. “There have been problems in the past at concerts, football games, parties, bars, clubs, restaurants, basically anywhere people congregate.” So generic as to be meaningless.

At least there won’t be a lot of concealed weapons around at the Naked Bike Ride.

224 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:37:16pm

We are in such denial…

225 klys  May 27, 2014 8:37:35pm

re: #218 Bubblehead II

WTF? I don’t know where you are, But I can walk about 1/2 mile down the road and find a car for private sale, cash on barrelhead. No questions asked. Same for guns. I do live in Idaho.

I will point out that even for private sales, the car registration has to be changed. With the state. And if you don’t have a license, you cannot drive it legally. And that license can be revoked due to medical conditions. Also, in most places you are obligated to carry insurance for said vehicle in case of accident.

In short, we regulate cars more than we regulate guns, and cars have an actual useful purpose. They even can serve as stand-in props for masculinity and/or penis extensions! And the world hasn’t collapsed because they are regulated!

226 Kragar  May 27, 2014 8:39:16pm
227 Dark_Falcon  May 27, 2014 8:39:57pm

re: #219 BongCrodny

I wonder how strict California’s gun control laws really are — Rodgers bought three guns from three different dealers in three different cities in the past year.

International Business Times: California police lacked probable cause to confiscate shooter Eliot Rodger’s handguns

That last link means very little to me, given that prior to the shooter’s last video being posted, the police should not have been able to confiscate his firearms. In this country, the police need a legally valid reason to confiscate someone’s property and “He’s an Entitled asshole who’s pissed off at women.” does not qualify.

228 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:39:58pm

re: #200 Bubblehead II

Lizards, maybe I AM NOT MAKING MY POINT CLEAR.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the law, in what ever country the perp is in. If (s)he wants to kill in large numbers, they will do so so. No law will stop them. It is a fact of life.

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

But we CAN make it harder for them to carry out their plans. Which means we could stop some of them.

Of course we can’t stop them all. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to stop some of them. That’s the point of many laws…to make criminal activity more difficult.

229 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:41:14pm
We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

So will drunk drivers. Let’s not do anything about that.
Human traffickers. Same.
Every crime ever committed. Same.
What ‘logic’.

230 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 8:41:21pm

re: #208 Belafon

And our point is this: places with more restrictions have significantly fewer gun related deaths. Your “someone who wants to will kill” fails to hold up under the evidence that is is happening less in other countries.

I again direct you to this.

Anders Behring Breivik

London Tube Bombing

Then we could also go to the Middle East and Ukraine. for even more current and up to date info of how both sides of the argument for gun control has worked out.

Hint. Neither worked

231 Killgore Trout  May 27, 2014 8:41:23pm

Another massive Mad Max style car bomb in Syria

Syria - al-Nusrah Suicide Attack to SAA Hill - Huge Shockwave

Liveleak Video

232 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 8:41:30pm

re: #226 Kragar

Running neck and neck with this one

College Rape Victim Pretty Thrilled She Gets To Recount Assault To Faculty Committee

Definitely up there. Shows the absurdity of cheapening the reality of what rape is.

233 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:41:58pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Well, there was that gunman at the Jewish Museum of Belgium who shot 4 people, killing 3. He used a full-auto AKM assault rifle, which is illegal in Belgium, and only legal in the US if the full-auto rifle was registered prior to May of 1986 (and even then there are firm registration requirements). But that asshole didn’t care about the law and found a smuggled-in with which to mount his rampage.

So yeah, it’s first and foremost about the state of mind of the killer. A gun does not massacre people without a human being pulling its trigger.

The number of mass shootings in the US overwhelms all other Western nations combined. You don’t think that has anything to do with a fetishistic gun culture and the sheer number and ease of availability of firearms?

234 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:43:04pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Big government just got bigger

California Assembly passes bill mandating porn film condoms

And one tiny mind here just got even smaller.

235 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:43:10pm
236 calochortus  May 27, 2014 8:44:42pm

I’m seeing a lot of concern amongst wingnuts about mental illness being responsible, not the guns. The logical extension of that is not letting the mentally ill acquire weapons (never mind whether it would be effective or not)

Whom do we suppose would be most outraged about trying to identify who shouldn’t have guns? How would this be accomplished and by whom? Interviews? Searching houses? Studying online postings? Checking with your neighbors?
Would they be comfortable having to go through that to get their guns? Or would that all just magically apply to other people?

237 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:46:16pm

re: #230 Bubblehead II

Funny how this only seems to apply to guns.
Why not other crimes?

238 BongCrodny  May 27, 2014 8:46:46pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

That last link means very little to me, given that prior to the shooter’s last video being posted, the police should not have been able to confiscate his firearms. In this country, the police need a legally valid reason to confiscate someone’s property and “He’s an Entitled asshole who’s pissed off at women.” does not qualify.

I’m not arguing whether or not they should have been able to; I’m just wondering whether California’s allegedly tough gun control laws are really that tough.

239 Kragar  May 27, 2014 8:47:06pm
240 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:48:58pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Well, there was that gunman at the Jewish Museum of Belgium who shot 4 people, killing 3. He used a full-auto AKM assault rifle, which is illegal in Belgium, and only legal in the US if the full-auto rifle was registered prior to May of 1986 (and even then there are firm registration requirements). But that asshole didn’t care about the law and found a smuggled-in with which to mount his rampage.

So yeah, it’s first and foremost about the state of mind of the killer. A gun does not massacre people without a human being pulling its trigger.

Ahh, so guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

Wayne Lapierre from 1983 just called. He wants his tired stale talking point back.

241 Dark_Falcon  May 27, 2014 8:49:29pm

re: #233 palomino

You’re expanding the question beyond the reach of my post. My main point was that the key to a mass killing is in the mind of the killer, and used an example to illustrate that fact.

242 blueraven  May 27, 2014 8:49:43pm

re: #121 Bubblehead II

You know, Every time there is a incident of a mass killinging. The outrage from both the left and right is predicable.

The Left. More Regulation and psych evals.
The right. More Guns and none of the above.

But no one pays attention when the perp is driving a car.

Wonder why? Have you?

Of course there has been. Ever heard of MADD? Very effective legislation concerning drunk driving, which is a major cause of multiple deaths in auto crashes.

243 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:49:51pm
A gun does not massacre people without a human being pulling its trigger.

A human pulling a trigger does not massacre people without a gun.

244 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 8:50:00pm

re: #222 b_sharp

Can you drive the car without plates/insurance/driver’s license?

By law, no. But if you are licensed, have a valid receipt and a tail car, they tend to turn a blind eye. Been there, done that and so have they.

245 b_sharp  May 27, 2014 8:51:17pm

re: #243 Varek Raith

A human pulling a trigger does not massacre people without a gun.

The best he can do with that twitchy finger is scratch his balls.

246 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 8:51:25pm

re: #243 Varek Raith

A human pulling a trigger does not massacre people without a gun.

My addendum to guns don’t kill people, people kill people is “Yeah but a gun makes it a hell of a lot easier and quicker to mow down as many as you can.”

247 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:51:56pm

Yeah, we have strict gun control in the US, Home of the Mass Shooting.
I’m sorry, but how dumb do you think we are?
What a sad joke.

248 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:52:26pm

“They say that ‘Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.’ Well I think the gun helps. If you just stood there and yelled BANG, I don’t think you’d kill too many people.”

― Eddie Izzard

249 b_sharp  May 27, 2014 8:52:48pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

My addendum to guns don’t kill people, people kill people is “Yeah but a gun makes it a hell of a lot easier and quicker to mow down as many as you can.”

When do they expand open carry to nuclear weapons?

250 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:53:55pm

re: #249 b_sharp

When do they expand open carry to nuclear weapons?


Tea Party Congressman: Citizens Should Have Same Weapons As The Military

251 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 8:54:13pm

re: #249 b_sharp

When do they expand open carry to nuclear weapons?

Ha, I don’t know. I’m honestly surprised that more of them haven’t said that they have the right to open carry bazookas yet.

252 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:55:47pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

You’re expanding the question beyond the reach of my post. My main point was that the key to a mass killing is in the mind of the killer, and used an example to illustrate that fact.

But the key to the “efficiency” of the mass killer is often what type of weapons he can easily obtain. If a kitchen knife and chainsaw are the best he can do, he’s gonna have a very hard time killing a lot of people quickly. And he won’t be able to harm anyone more than 2 feet away. Unless he has the knife throwing skills of Bronco Billy, a fictional character.

So much of the pro-gun arguments are based on the exploits of John Wayne and Clint Eastwood in fictional portrayals of American manhood. But in the movies, the good guys always draw faster and their aim is always true. If only the chairborne “soldiers” out there could figure this out, and move past an adolescent conception of human interaction.

253 jaunte  May 27, 2014 8:55:49pm


Big badaboom.

254 Dark_Falcon  May 27, 2014 8:55:51pm

And I’d point out one more thing: Elliot Rodger killed his first three victims with a knife. A total ban on guns would not have kept him from killing his roommates. So I feel quite comfortable saying his mindset is more of an issue than are firearms, because he was already a triple murder before he ever fired a shot at anyone.

255 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:56:49pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

You’re expanding the question beyond the reach of my post. My main point was that the key to a mass killing is in the mind of the killer, and used an example to illustrate that fact.

Sorry, but you just conveniently dodged something I rarely ever see gun people respond to.

256 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 8:57:55pm

re: #253 jaunte

Holy shit.
Death Star beam ain’t got nothing on that kind of power.

257 palomino  May 27, 2014 8:58:07pm

re: #222 b_sharp

Can you drive the car without plates/insurance/driver’s license?

Exactly. Bingo.

As long as this nation’s conservatives see unlimited gun ownership as a more fundamental right than voting, then we’re pretty much fucked.

258 The Artist Formerly Known as Irenicum  May 27, 2014 8:58:16pm

His disarmingly disgusting statement doesn’t surprise me really. It just makes me realize how the far right has become utterly untethered to anything close to ANY ethical center. Joe the Plumber has truly plumbed the depths of human depravity.

259 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 8:58:21pm

re: #225 klys

I will point out that even for private sales, the car registration has to be changed. With the state. And if you don’t have a license, you cannot drive it legally. And that license can be revoked due to medical conditions. Also, in most places you are obligated to carry insurance for said vehicle in case of accident.

In short, we regulate cars more than we regulate guns, and cars have an actual useful purpose. They even can serve as stand-in props for masculinity and/or penis extensions! And the world hasn’t collapsed because they are regulated!

You will not get any argument with me over this.

260 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:00:05pm

re: #252 palomino

But the key to the “efficiency” of the mass killer is often what type of weapons he can easily obtain. If a kitchen knife and chainsaw are the best he can do, he’s gonna have a very hard time killing a lot of people quickly. And he won’t be able to harm anyone more than 2 feet away. Unless he has the knife throwing skills of Bronco Billy, a fictional character.

So much of the pro-gun arguments are based on the exploits of John Wayne and Clint Eastwood in fictional portrayals of American manhood. But in the movies, the good guys always draw faster and their aim is always true. If only the chairborne “soldiers” out there could figure this out, and move past an adolescent conception of human interaction.

Which is why that nutcase in China that attacked the schoolchildren had far fewer fatalities than Ryan Lanza. Gun nuts like to say “Oh, well he could have just used a knife.” A gun makes it a lot more easier. A gun unlike a knife, the attacker doesn’t have to get up close and personal. Hell that’s why guns were invented in the first place to make killing from a distance more easier and efficient. And it’s why mass killers will always choose a gun.

261 jaunte  May 27, 2014 9:00:41pm

re: #256 Varek Raith

Holy shit.
Death Star beam ain’t got nothing on that kind of power.

“…The trigger went off at 9:21 pm Universal time on 27 May; three minutes later, the X-ray telescope aboard Swift was already observing a bright X-ray glow where none had existed before.”
blogs.nature.com

262 blueraven  May 27, 2014 9:00:46pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

And I’d point out one more thing: Elliot Rodger killed his first three victims with a knife. A total ban on guns would not have kept him from killing his roommates. So I feel quite comfortable saying his mindset is more of an issue than are firearms, because he was already a triple murder before he ever fired a shot at anyone.

Who is calling for a ban on guns?

263 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:00:51pm

re: #257 palomino

Exactly. Bingo.

As long as this nation’s conservatives see unlimited gun ownership as a more fundamental right than voting, then we’re pretty much fucked.

Sigh, yep. Or reproductive health.

264 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:01:08pm

re: #262 blueraven

Who is calling for a ban on guns?

Straw McStraw?

265 jaunte  May 27, 2014 9:01:41pm
“Whatever caused it, the Andromeda blast occurred some 2.5 million years ago. Its energy has been traveling towards us ever since.”
266 jaunte  May 27, 2014 9:02:25pm

Don’t tell Ken Ham.

267 blueraven  May 27, 2014 9:02:59pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Straw McStraw?

heh
QuickStraw McStraw

268 palomino  May 27, 2014 9:04:26pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

And I’d point out one more thing: Elliot Rodger killed his first three victims with a knife. A total ban on guns would not have kept him from killing his roommates. So I feel quite comfortable saying his mindset is more of an issue than are firearms, because he was already a triple murder before he ever fired a shot at anyone.

OK, one more time. We know that stricter gun laws won’t stop all murders. But that’s not a reason to do nothing.

We’ve got the most guns in the world, the easiest system for obtaining them, and the highest murder rate in the West. Do you really want to argue that there’s no correlation?

269 Belafon  May 27, 2014 9:07:16pm

re: #259 Bubblehead II

Really? You dinged me for this very argument.

270 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:07:44pm

Here’s the problem. You want to try to have a serious conversation on guns and you’re an elected official in this country. You immediately get labeled by the nutcases as an “enemy of freedom” likened to the Nazis, called unAmerican, and everything in the book. We have a Surgeon General nominee who was blocked because the individual dared to call gun violence a public health problem in this country. We won’t be able to prevent all tragedies but at the same time we can and should be able to cut them down. And reducing absurdly easy access to guns should be part of that.

271 BongCrodny  May 27, 2014 9:08:50pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

And I’d point out one more thing: Elliot Rodger killed his first three victims with a knife. A total ban on guns would not have kept him from killing his roommates. So I feel quite comfortable saying his mindset is more of an issue than are firearms, because he was already a triple murder before he ever fired a shot at anyone.

It also points out how important the element of surprise is — it’s tough to imagine Rodger being able to do something like that if any of them had even the slightest inkling of what he was planning to do.

272 Dark_Falcon  May 27, 2014 9:10:32pm

I’m actually going to just step away at this point, because its late and I’m tired.

Good Night, All.

273 Amory Blaine  May 27, 2014 9:12:49pm

Our SC is stacked with conservatives so this is not surprising.

State Supreme Court rejects same-sex marriage petition

The state Supreme Court last week declined, without comment, to hear a direct challenge to Wisconsin’s constitutional ban on gay marriage.

A Milwaukee County couple, Katherine and Linda Halopka-Ivery, asked the high court to directly hear their lawsuit, which claimed Wisconsin was violating the U.S. Constitution by limiting marriage to one man and one woman.

The couple married in December in California, where same-sex marriage is legal. The lawsuit sought to force Wisconsin to recognize their marriage and to allow them to qualify for all of the benefits that married heterosexual couples have.

But the high court, in a decision filed Thursday, declined to hear the case. Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson and Justice Ann Walsh Bradley dissented, also without comment.

274 Lidane  May 27, 2014 9:15:08pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

So I feel quite comfortable saying his mindset is more of an issue than are firearms

No shit. But the guns helped.

He carefully researched the guns he wanted. He filled out all the proper paperwork and passed all the background checks. He bought his guns fair and square. Hell, he even kept them locked away until he decided he “needed” them. He followed all the rules and until he enacted his plan, he was just another law-abiding, responsible gun owner.

THAT’S THE POINT. He did everything that the gun fuckers say that responsible owners do, and he fit all the current laws to a T. He still did what he did.

Of course, it’s all moot anyway. Twenty first-graders got slaughtered in their classroom and nothing changed. Nothing will change now. The only thing that’s going to happen is that the RWNJ media will find a way to blame the woman who turned Rodger down when she was 10 years old and sales on all this guy’s guns will go through the roof. That’s it.

275 Lidane  May 27, 2014 9:15:58pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Sigh, yep. Or reproductive health.

A woman’s body is more heavily regulated than a gun.

Let that sink in a while.

276 goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2014 9:17:49pm

re: #219 BongCrodny

I wonder how strict California’s gun control laws really are — Rodgers bought three guns from three different dealers in three different cities in the past year.

You’re allowed to purchase one new handgun per every 30 days. Inside the City of Los Angeles this restriction also applies to used / consignment handguns, outside LA you can purchase as many used handguns as you can find and pay for. 10 day wait to pick up statewide, even for private party transfers.

277 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:18:13pm

re: #275 Lidane

A woman’s body is more heavily regulated than a gun.

Let that sink in a while.

Right and that’s scary/stupid policy.

278 calochortus  May 27, 2014 9:20:17pm

re: #275 Lidane

A woman’s body is more heavily regulated than a gun.

Let that sink in a while.

We’re all magickal and dangerous and stuff.

279 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:21:06pm

re: #278 calochortus

We’re all magickal and dangerous and stuff.

Well if one of yours hadn’t rejected Elliott when he was ten, he would have been just fine.//

280 calochortus  May 27, 2014 9:21:52pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Well if one of yours hadn’t rejected Elliott when he was ten, he would have been just fine.//

Yeah. Perfectly normal.

281 palomino  May 27, 2014 9:22:08pm

re: #273 Amory Blaine

Our SC is stacked with conservatives so this is not surprising.

State Supreme Court rejects same-sex marriage petition

I was surprised to find this out, but the US is actually less progressive on marriage equality than the next 4 largest countries in the western hemisphere.

Canada, Brazil and Argentina all have full marriage equality nationwide. Even Mexico is ahead of the US. While only 2 of their 31 states have legalized same sex marriage, and 4 others have civil unions, ALL 31 Mexican states recognize such marriages performed in other places. So much for the notion that most Latin Americans are conservative on all social issues because…uh, Catholicism!

282 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 9:22:34pm

re: #269 Belafon

Really? You dinged me for this very argument.

Reversed. Sometimes we get carried away in the heat of the moment and then get slapped up alongside the head. Things happen.

283 calochortus  May 27, 2014 9:23:36pm

Anyway, it’s tiring work rejecting guys all day and being a snare of the devil, so I’ll say goodnight, Lizards. Hasta mañana.

284 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:25:03pm

re: #281 palomino

I was surprised to find this out, but the US is actually less progressive on marriage equality than the next 4 largest countries in the western hemisphere.

Canada, Brazil and Argentina all have full marriage equality nationwide. Even Mexico is ahead of the US. While only 2 of their 31 states have legalized same sex marriage, and 4 others have civil unions, ALL 31 Mexican states recognize such marriages performed in other places. So much for the notion that most Latin Americans are conservative on all social issues because…uh, Catholicism!

Yep. This is an issue I’m glad to see progress on but at the same time one that I wish we could see more since it seems that more often than not a new state having SSM legalized is met with an asshole Republican governor or AG who wants to prevent as many couples of being able to enjoy their new found freedom as possible.

285 Bubblehead II  May 27, 2014 9:26:43pm

Night Lizards. Time to take a nap

286 goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2014 9:28:09pm

re: #200 Bubblehead II

Lizards, maybe I AM NOT MAKING MY POINT CLEAR.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the law, in what ever country the perp is in. If (s)he wants to kill in large numbers, they will do so so. No law will stop them. It is a fact of life.

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

This kind of argument strikes me as being deliberately obtuse. Look at the homicide statistics by country and find another 1st World State with rates comparable to the US.

You can’t. What you can find are many African and Middle East hellholes that are nominally safer.

287 simoom  May 27, 2014 9:28:19pm

Can anyone confirm this GG book quote?

daddyclaxton.com

“…Snowden was determined to disappear from sight, as he said, to do no interviews. He understood that the media love to personalize every story, and he wanted to keep the focus on NSA surveillance, not on him. True to his word, Snowden refused all media invitations. …Brian Williams dispatched several different representatives to make his case. Snowden could have spent all day and night on the most influential television shows, with the world watching him, had he wanted to do that.

“But he was unmovable. I conveyed the requests and he declined them, to avoid taking attention away from the revelations. Strange behavior for a fame-seeking narcissist.” (Pages 222-223)

This would be interesting beyond just how laughably incorrect this narrative is even prior to publishing, but it also suggests GG operates/negotiates as Snowden’s press agent.

288 A Mom Anon  May 27, 2014 9:36:49pm

You know, after spending a big part of the day helping a broken hearted young adult deal with YET ANOTHER bunch of bullshit about Asperger’s being a cause of violent rage resulting in deaths, Joe the Fucking Ass Stetson can kiss my lily white ass. And then go fuck himself with a rusty farm implement, just for fun.

What about the rights of the rest of us not to have to deal with obnoxious assholes who just have to carry a gun around so they can pretend they have super manly prowess? Huh? What about my right to sit in my fucking backyard enjoying a beer and a sunset without hearing neighbors with more guns than Redneck Jesus target practicing 100 yards from my house? Oh I see, I’m not American enough, is that fucking it? Never mind all the people in my family who served their country and never asked for shit in return, or the fact that I am a law abiding citizen who loves her country? Who is in a stable loving marriage, raised good kids, pays taxes and does her best to be a good neighbor, mom, daughter, wife and friend? Oh I guess that doesn’t count either unless I have a cannon and a fucking grenade launcher I carry to the fucking grocery store while wearing an American flag tube top and singing a fucking Ted Nugent song. Is that it? REALLY? Because if that’s the criteria for being a patriot, it’s set the bar too fucking low. Fuck you you fake fucking plumber wannabe. At least a REAL plumber is an actual honorable profession.

OMG, I just can’t. Don’t. Oh Hell NO.

289 EPR-radar  May 27, 2014 9:38:26pm

re: #287 simoom

Confirmation is always good, but I have to say I’m not interested in anything GG has to say at this point. The man is totally untrustworthy when it comes to any questions of fact.

Pure opinion is all he offers, and pure opinion is superfluous if I agree with it and pointless if I disagree with it.

290 HappyWarrior  May 27, 2014 9:40:07pm

re: #288 A Mom Anon

You know, after spending a big part of the day helping a broken hearted young adult deal with YET ANOTHER bunch of bullshit about Asperger’s being a cause of violent rage resulting in deaths, Joe the Fucking Ass Stetson can kiss my lily white ass. And then go fuck himself with a rusty farm implement, just for fun.

What about the rights of the rest of us not to have to deal with obnoxious assholes who just have to carry a gun around so they can pretend they have super manly prowess? Huh? What about my right to sit in my fucking backyard enjoying a beer and a sunset without hearing neighbors with more guns than Redneck Jesus target practicing 100 yards from my house? Oh I see, I’m not American enough, is that fucking it? Never mind all the people in my family who served their country and never asked for shit in return, or the fact that I am a law abiding citizen who loves her country? Who is in a stable loving marriage, raised good kids, pays taxes and does her best to be a good neighbor, mom, daughter, wife and friend? Oh I guess that doesn’t count either unless I have a cannon and a fucking grenade launcher I carry to the fucking grocery store while wearing an American flag tube top and singing a fucking Ted Nugent song. Is that it? REALLY? Because if that’s the criteria for being a patriot, it’s set the bar too fucking low. Fuck you you fake fucking plumber wannabe. At least a REAL plumber is an actual honorable profession.

OMG, I just can’t. Don’t. Oh Hell NO.

Great rant.

291 Gus  May 27, 2014 9:46:24pm
292 klys  May 27, 2014 9:46:24pm
293 Kragar  May 27, 2014 9:52:41pm

re: #287 simoom

Can anyone confirm this GG book quote?

daddyclaxton.com

Why would GG let Snowjob talk to other reporters besides him?

294 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 9:58:55pm

re: #291 Gus

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Neat.

295 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:00:53pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

Neat.

I see! :D

296 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:01:21pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

Neat.

Kind of looks like a superhero emblem when it’s round.

297 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 10:01:41pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

You’re allowed to purchase one new handgun per every 30 days. Inside the City of Los Angeles this restriction also applies to used / consignment handguns, outside LA you can purchase as many used handguns as you can find and pay for. 10 day wait to pick up statewide, even for private party transfers.

Heh, strict my ass.

298 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 10:13:46pm

So the argument seems to be that guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

Guns just make it possible for one person with no organization behind him to all of a sudden decide to kill a shitload of people, and actually get it done without having to learn how to make explosives.

299 Kragar  May 27, 2014 10:13:48pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

Heh, strict my ass.

Its just like Nazi Germany!
///

300 GeneJockey  May 27, 2014 10:19:27pm

re: #299 Kragar

Its just like Nazi Germany!
///

You know what ELSE was just like Nazi Germany?

Just sayin’…
///////////////////////

301 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:22:45pm
302 Varek Raith  May 27, 2014 10:26:31pm

re: #301 Gus

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Hahahaha.

303 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:30:05pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

Hahahaha.

304 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:40:57pm
305 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:46:55pm

MRAs are weird. I mean, wow, freaky weird.

306 Gus  May 27, 2014 10:50:20pm

MRAs kind of remind me of NAMBLA.

307 Lancelot Link  May 27, 2014 10:54:18pm

re: #271 BongCrodny

I have never in my life witnessed a drive-by stabbing.

308 Gus  May 27, 2014 11:21:51pm

[Sigh]

309 Gus  May 27, 2014 11:23:34pm
310 Lidane  May 27, 2014 11:25:03pm
311 Lidane  May 27, 2014 11:30:32pm
312 klys  May 27, 2014 11:30:58pm

Stormchaser hit by lightning while filming out the window. (He’s ok.)

Youtube Video

313 Gus  May 27, 2014 11:33:25pm

Women want relationships. Men want sex. Am I being too harsh?

314 TedStriker  May 27, 2014 11:33:50pm

re: #310 Lidane

“Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson to speak at Republican Leadership Conference: t.co

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) May 27, 2014

Of course he is…

315 Gus  May 28, 2014 12:38:05am
316 Gus  May 28, 2014 12:40:46am
317 Aqua Obama  May 28, 2014 12:43:41am

Holy shit, Sweden

Youtube Video

319 Gus  May 28, 2014 12:47:22am
320 Gus  May 28, 2014 12:49:28am

321 Lancelot Link  May 28, 2014 1:01:54am

re: #317 Aqua Obama

Any minute I’m expecting them to break into a chorus of “Tomorrow Belongs To Me”.

322 palomino  May 28, 2014 1:11:30am

re: #321 Lancelot Link

Any minute I’m expecting them to break into a chorus of “Tomorrow Belongs To Me”.

If that’s the song from Cabaret, I was thinking the same thing.

This seems to be about more than just membership in the EU. It seems more about keeping Europe as white as possible.

323 A Mom Anon  May 28, 2014 2:45:05am

re: #318 Varek Raith

And he has a child with autism. If they don’t fire him, he should have to face a room full of families of people with Asperger’s and say that shit. On TV. With me in the audience, front row. Without the input of anyone from Autism Speaks either. That group is among the worst, and unfortunately the media “go to” group. Another rant for another time…

I have worked really HARD to overcome these attitudes in our family. My own Mom bought into this bullshit when my son was younger, it took me the better part of a year to get her and my Dad to understand that what they had been told about AS was seriously wrong.

Autism is not a mental illness, it just isn’t. This bullshit makes it easier for people to bully people on the spectrum and to ostracize them. It’s incredibly irresponsible for Scarborough to keep doing this. Of course his son will not feel the effect of his dad’s idiocy, his father’s money will protect and keep him isolated from that sort of scrutiny. Understand I am not calling for Joe’s son to be treated like crap, but that it’s really easy for someone like him to run his mouth because his privilege isolates him from the consequences of the crap he’s perpetuating.

324 D Koch  May 28, 2014 3:28:08am

If you saw “Falcon and the Snowman”, Dalton Lee developed delusions that he was in the CIA (as seem in the following clip).

Youtube Video

325 D Koch  May 28, 2014 3:50:01am
326 D Koch  May 28, 2014 3:52:06am

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327 andres  May 28, 2014 3:57:20am

re: #230 Bubblehead II

I again direct you to this.

Anders Behring Breivik

London Tube Bombing

Then we could also go to the Middle East and Ukraine. for even more current and up to date info of how both sides of the argument for gun control has worked out.

Hint. Neither worked

Dear Lord. The f*n objective is not to reduce mass murders to zero, but make it dissuasive enough that most won’t try it.

It’s like your password. A determined hacker will break your password, regardless of how strong it really is. But having something stronger than 12345 will slow most wannabe hackers enough that they will be dissuaded to continue.

328 D Koch  May 28, 2014 3:57:31am
329 D Koch  May 28, 2014 3:59:16am

HE BLINDED ME WITH —- SCIENCE!!

330 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 4:00:13am

re: #287 simoom

Can anyone confirm this GG book quote?

daddyclaxton.com

This would be interesting beyond just how laughably incorrect this narrative is even prior to publishing, but it also suggests GG operates/negotiates as Snowden’s press agent.

And at the time the galleys were delivered to Godwald, Snowjob had not yet completed the “How to Deal With the Western Press” class given by the FSB. And we’re seeing the product of that training in the Williams interview, like how, after a year in their hands, Snowjob has been elevated to an “expert”, an “undercover” agent of the NSA and CIA, and a university level lecturer, and boldly states he has been changing his appearance for a while, but if that’s the best Russian plastic surgeons are able to do, though, he’ll be in Russia forever.

GG handles press activities for Snowjob only how and when told to by the FSB, also. I wonder how long he and Poitras had to kiss FSB ass to arrange that meeting w/Snowjob, btw?

331 D Koch  May 28, 2014 4:01:06am
332 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 4:17:07am

Holy crap. No wonder the Ukraine govt has been using caution in dealing with pro-Russians in eastern Ukraine. Russia really was/is prepared to invade.

Thousands of Russian troops have withdrawn from near Ukraine border, but tens of thousands remain, NATO military officer says - @Reuters
End of alert

333 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 4:41:19am

Donald Sterling has submitted a 32-page manifesto to the NBA.

The NBA is unfairly punishing him by forcing him to sell the NBA team that he bought for $12 million for $2.5 billion.

The horror, the horror.

334 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 4:42:47am

re: #333 Pie-onist Overlord

Donald Sterling has submitted a 32-page manifesto to the NBA.

The NBA is unfairly punishing him by forcing him to sell the NBA team that he bought for $12 million for $2.5 billion.

The horror, the horror.

First world white guy problems.

335 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 4:45:15am
336 urbanmeemaw  May 28, 2014 4:45:53am

re: #174 Gus

Snowden in disguise, with glasses.
Snowden in disguise, with glasses.
Ah, ahhhh.

Sung to the tune of “Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds”?

337 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 4:46:21am

I still think Elijah Wood should play Ed Snowden in the movie.
John Cusack as Glenn Greenwald.
Rosie O’Donnell as Laura Poitras.

338 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 4:48:16am

re: #337 Pie-onist Overlord

I still think Elijah Wood should play Ed Snowden in the movie.
John Cusack as Glenn Greenwald.
Rosie O’Donnell as Laura Poitras.

I will quibble with one casting decision, I say Tom Cruise for Greenwald. A self-obsessed douchebag who’s convinced that the world wants to hear him talk? Check!

339 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 4:49:32am

re: #338 Targetpractice

I will quibble with one casting decision, I say Tom Cruise for Greenwald. A self-obsessed douchebag who’s convinced that the world wants to hear him talk? Check!

He’s too tall.

340 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 4:51:40am

re: #339 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s too tall.

Eh? You do know that Cusack is a little over 6ft tall, right?

341 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 4:52:30am
342 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 4:53:43am

re: #340 Targetpractice

Eh? You do know that Cusack is a little over 6ft tall, right?

I’m still pissed about the Jack Reacher movie.

343 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 4:55:02am

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m still pissed about the Jack Reacher movie.

Ah. Can’t say as I’ve watched that yet, but I feel your pain. I’m still bearing a grudge over the film treatment of World War Z.

344 Varek Raith  May 28, 2014 4:59:56am

re: #343 Targetpractice

Ah. Can’t say as I’ve watched that yet, but I feel your pain. I’m still bearing a grudge over the film treatment of World War Z.

Didn’t even bother with the movie ‘adaptation’.
;)

345 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 5:02:34am

re: #344 Varek Raith

Didn’t even bother with the movie ‘adaptation’.
;)

I would have either, except it was on one of the movie channels and I was on holiday from my desktop, so I decided to watch it on a lark. Like I said the other day, it’s entertaining, but crap. If I’d never read the book, I might have enjoyed it as a zombie film. Having read the book, I wanna rip the scriptwriter’s brain out through his eye sockets.

346 Varek Raith  May 28, 2014 5:03:30am

Bleh, arguing with Snowdenbots at RS.
Why do I do this to myself?!?!

347 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 5:03:54am

re: #335 Pie-onist Overlord

Ed Snowden. World renowned spy. International man of mystery. Lead character in Tom Clancy’s spy thriller “A Clear And Present Douchebag.”

Heh. Did anyone catch the little bit of the NBC Snowden interview teaser on The Today Show?

He said he was more than a computer dude hacker, he was a full blown spy and worked undercover out of the country.

If you follow mannerisms and body language, you are going to have a blast with him. Before he could explain why he ended up in Russia he did an eye and head roll that just seemed to say (to me anyway) “let me see if you’ll believe this one” and then went on how he wanted to go to Cuba and then on to South America, but because the State Department revoked his passport he had to book to Russia. I don’t actually know why he didn’t mention why he was in Hong Kong in the first place.

Then Today had John Kerry comment and he questioned Snowden working through Cuba and if he was a real patriot he would come back to America. Seems like there is an open invite for him.

I think that interview tonight is going to be much watched.

348 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:03:59am

Well this happened.
PETA has taken the anti-vaxxer meme and applied it to dairy products.

349 Varek Raith  May 28, 2014 5:04:52am

re: #348 Pie-onist Overlord

Well this happened.
PETA has taken the anti-vaxxer meme and applied it to dairy products.

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For the love of…
Fuck you, PETA.

350 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:05:38am

SILLY ANTI VAXXER SAYING THAT VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM WHEN WE KNOW IT’S REALLY ICE CREAM!!!!!!

351 Varek Raith  May 28, 2014 5:05:56am

re: #347 ObserverArt

Yep, Mr Bond Snowden didn’t anticipate having his passport revoked.
MASTER SPY!

352 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 5:08:03am

re: #253 jaunte

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Big badaboom.

Now there’s a weapon for a potential mass murderer.
/

353 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 5:10:02am

re: #347 ObserverArt

I’m still getting amusement out of how, over a year later, people still buy into the BS that Snowden was ever a spy. That’s like saying that if you worked as a janitor at Langley, you were a spy.

354 A Mom Anon  May 28, 2014 5:10:23am

re: #348 Pie-onist Overlord

My head already hurts and now this. Sigh. Anything to scare people and make money from fear. Just deeeeelightful. Because, ya know, there’s simply not enough of that happening already.

There’s really a special place in hell for these assholes. Seriously.

355 Varek Raith  May 28, 2014 5:12:42am

re: #352 Feline Fearless Leader

Now there’s a weapon for a potential mass murderer.
/

That’s 7.95e+28 tons of antimatter.
Potential?
:P

356 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:12:57am

Every time I start thinking that I would like to prepare more vegan meals, PETA does something stupid and I have to make chicken or burgers or pizza.

357 A Mom Anon  May 28, 2014 5:15:26am

Think I’m gonna step away from the interwebs for the day. I ended up not sleeping well last night and I think I’m taking Princess Dog for a hike and then go for a haircut or something. This crap is really getting to me, when I thought I had a thicker skin by now. Maybe someday this country will grow the fuck up, but I have a feeling I’m not going to be around to see it. Hopefully my son will, that would be nice.

Be excellent to one another, lizards.

358 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 5:17:33am

PETA: The NRA of animal rights, the Code Pink for pets, the Operation Rescue of the barnyard.

359 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:20:24am

re: #358 Rev_Arthur_Belling

PETA: The NRA of animal rights, the Code Pink for pets, the Operation Rescue of the barnyard.

The Westboro of BBQ.

360 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 5:21:47am

re: #354 A Mom Anon

My head already hurts and now this. Sigh. Anything to scare people and make money from fear. Just deeeeelightful. Because, ya know, there’s simply not enough of that happening already.

There’s really a special place in hell for these assholes. Seriously.

I don’t know. Hell may not be enough.

Plus, with all that fire ‘n’ heat, there will be burning meat.

By the way…do not go to the link in #318!!! That will make you want to strangle one Joey Scarborough.

361 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 5:26:20am

Sob! Oh, the horror.

More: Edward Snowden blames State Department for stranding him in Russia, saying he ‘never intended’ to end up there - @NBCNews
Read more on nbcnews.com

Always blame someone but yourself.

362 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 5:26:30am

Good morning Lizards!
70F at 7am and hazy. Not supposed to get much warmer today as rain and thunderstorms in the area to keep things somewhat cooled down.

Feline Overlords are not too fond of the thunder since it disturbs their napping. But, on the other paw, watching the rain hit and run down the windows is entertaining.

363 Varek Raith  May 28, 2014 5:26:59am

re: #361 Justanotherhuman

Sob! Oh, the horror.

More: Edward Snowden blames State Department for stranding him in Russia, saying he ‘never intended’ to end up there - @NBCNews
Read more on nbcnews.com

Always blame someone but yourself.

Yeah, Kerry called him an idiot for that comment.

364 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 5:28:29am

re: #361 Justanotherhuman

Sob! Oh, the horror.

More: Edward Snowden blames State Department for stranding him in Russia, saying he ‘never intended’ to end up there - @NBCNews
Read more on nbcnews.com

Always blame someone but yourself.

Was he expecting to end up living in a nice place in Costa Rica?
//

365 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 5:28:31am

re: #363 Varek Raith

Secretary of State John Kerry says there is ‘evidence’ that people are in additional danger because of Edward Snowden NSA leaks - @rickklein
see original on twitter.com

366 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:28:48am

re: #363 Varek Raith

Yeah, Kerry called him an idiot for that comment.

Only an idiot would have listened to Assange’s advice about getting asylum. Yeah: the insane asylum.

367 Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 28, 2014 5:31:07am

re: #86 goddamnedfrank

the now public comments from Tea Party types are the same sort of comments I’ve heard all my life growing up in Texas. I haven’t lived in Texas for over 20 years now but my childhood was filled with hearing commentary emanating from an over-privileged, entitled mindset steeped in wealth-worshipping fundamentalist religion.

Make no mistake this mindset is massive in oil-rich Texas. It is not some fringe. Getting people to vote against their own best interests is an art form in Texas politics, playing upon an individual’s own greed and fear (and naked prejudice). Texas’ oil largesse gives the state a powerful base on which to keep the emerging plutocracy increasing in power and voice. IMO for those wishing Texas politics to moderate, it is not going to get better. A huge unvoiced white consensus has been built that in many ways resembles Putin’s Russia as a model to emulate.

368 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 5:32:22am

re: #313 Gus

Women want relationships. Men want sex. Am I being too harsh?

A bit too generalizing, although I would venture to say that most women tend to place more value on relationships over sex, whereas most men don’t.

369 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 5:32:32am

So, it’s an election year so they drag out Joe the Plumber?

*pathetic*

I’ve been saying that a lot lately.

370 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 5:34:10am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A bit too generalizing, although I would venture to say that most women tend to place more value on relationships over sex, whereas most men don’t.

I think most men do want relationships, desperately. They are also afraid of being seen as objects—money providers. Lack of communication skills about emotions leads to some real messes.

371 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 5:36:00am

It promises to be ominous today

you?.

372 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 5:39:16am

re: #371 FemNaziBitch

It promises to be ominous today

you?.

I was just looking at the 10 day forecast for central Ohio. I am now depressed. Rain 7 out of 10 days…I day sunny…humid, humid, humid! Ugh. I was so hoping we would have a nice clear mild 75° type of spring..

373 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:39:56am
374 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 5:42:43am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

Your gun-fucking meme of the day.

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Yeah, I’m sure that gun will do her a lot of good when she’s trying to explain to the cops how the “nice guy” got her a drink, and the next thing she knew, she was laying on a dirty mattress with her panties around his ankle and the “nice guy” nowhere to be found.

375 Jay in Oregon  May 28, 2014 5:46:15am

re: #345 Targetpractice

I would have either, except it was on one of the movie channels and I was on holiday from my desktop, so I decided to watch it on a lark. Like I said the other day, it’s entertaining, but crap. If I’d never read the book, I might have enjoyed it as a zombie film. Having read the book, I wanna rip the scriptwriter’s brain out through his eye sockets.

I agree; if the movie wasn’t named “World War Z” I’d consider it a decent zombie apocalypse flick.

The zombies were all wrong and the “solution” to the zombie problem was invented out of whole cloth (and based on the flimsiest of premises). What was a story of a bunch of individual triumphs leading to victory (with a healthy dose of collectivism to boot) became a cliché about the typical American “only one man can save the world” special forces badass. The only scene out of the book that was even partly recognizable in the movie was the one in Israel, and they messed that up too!

I knew that adapting World War Z into a movie (as opposed to, say, a TV miniseries) would be difficult, but it was disappointing to see that they didn’t bother to try.

376 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 5:46:32am

re: #374 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’m sure that gun will do her a lot of good when she’s trying to explain to the cops how the “nice guy” got her a drink, and the next thing she knew, she was laying on a dirty mattress with her panties around his ankle and the “nice guy” nowhere to be found.

And if she’s not white:
WHY DID THAT MEXICAN B-WORD SHOOT TEH NICE WHITE COLLEGE BOY WHO JUST WANTED TO BUY HER A DRINK!!!!!! MUST BE ILLEGAL, DEPORT HER!!!!!

377 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 5:46:41am

re: #348 Pie-onist Overlord

Well this happened.
PETA has taken the anti-vaxxer meme and applied it to dairy products.

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Oh fuck you very much PETA, fuck you very much.

378 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 5:47:24am

Message to America. Guns are an easy answer to everything.

So, unlike Bubblehead’s comments about using a car, or Dark_Falcon mentioning a knife was used in the UCSB murders…why would you really want to do that when you can go gun!

And Joe the Plumber agrees. Go Gun or go to hell!

379 darthstar  May 28, 2014 5:49:13am
380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 5:49:39am

re: #343 Targetpractice

Ah. Can’t say as I’ve watched that yet, but I feel your pain. I’m still bearing a grudge over the film treatment of World War Z.

I am not a zombie fan at all, but someone loaned me the book. I really liked it, mostly as a parable of how humanity copes with a catastrophe: first we ignore it, then we suppress news of it to avoid panic, all of which only helps to aid its spread until it nearly overwhelms us.

381 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 5:50:58am

What if she put a hole in his chest but she was asking for it by:

1. Dressing hot
2. Putting herself in that position
3. Leading him on
4. Boys will be boys

382 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 5:50:59am

Of all the twists and turns in the Snowald Saga, the declaration that Snowden was a “real” spy has to be the most lol-worthy.

383 darthstar  May 28, 2014 5:52:06am
384 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 5:53:03am

re: #383 darthstar

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Coldfinger?

385 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 5:54:19am

re: #382 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Of all the twists and turns in the Snowald Saga, the declaration that Snowden was a “real” spy has to be the most lol-worthy.

I’m thinking there is going to be great thread going here at LGF tonight at 10 PM eastern following along with the NBC interview. I’m looking forward to it myself.

386 darthstar  May 28, 2014 5:54:45am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Coldfinger?

License to Code.

387 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 5:55:09am

re: #386 darthstar

License to Code.

You Only Live in Hawaii Twice.

388 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 5:55:21am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Coldfinger?

Codeflinger perhaps.

389 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 5:55:35am

re: #375 Jay in Oregon

As I understand it, the original script as written by J. Michael Straczynski was pretty faithful to the book in so far as it was individual stories strung through the length of the film as opposed to “one man’s struggle.” Whether it was because it would cost too much or because it wasn’t “actiony” enough, the studio heads kicked him out, tossed the script between different writers until they got what they wanted, and even then they ended up cutting out a final act that made some sense (zombies more vulnerable in the cold) into what we got with the “solution.”

In the end, we got two hours of watching Brad Pitt getting other people killed.

390 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 5:55:37am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Coldfinger?

391 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 5:55:49am

On His Majesty Greenwald’s Secret Service

392 Bulworth  May 28, 2014 5:55:57am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

#prolife

//

Even the latest massacre doesn’t slow down the gunz worshippers.

393 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 5:56:05am

re: #383 darthstar

The Dudebro Who Loved Me

Thunderdudebro

Dudebrofall

394 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 5:56:13am

re: #385 ObserverArt

Someone with the time could actually comb through all the various narratives provided by Snowden/GG in various news reports and GG’s book and put together a timeline with various discrepancies in their stories. Would be interesting to read.

395 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 5:56:24am

re: #388 Feline Fearless Leader

Codeflinger perhaps.

That one works too. Coldfinger I thought up because of Russia and its cold winters but that one works better.

396 Bulworth  May 28, 2014 5:56:55am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

And this attitude got us the latest gun massacre in Santa Barbara. That worked out well. //

397 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 5:57:18am

Quantum of Silence. Unmeasurable in the face of the Greenwald spew machine.

398 Bulworth  May 28, 2014 5:57:50am

re: #379 darthstar

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No America Kerry hates Freedom NSA ASSSault!!

399 darthstar  May 28, 2014 5:59:53am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

On His Majesty Greenwald’s Secret Service

A View to a Book Deal

400 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:00:52am
Boggs told senators this month that he didn’t realize the risks of the measure because it came up as a floor amendment versus a bill, which meant he didn’t have enough time to examine it. More than one Democrat on the committee was perplexed by his comments, as well as his claims that he’d never heard of cases of a health clinic being attacked or a doctor being murdered by radical anti-abortion protesters.

Oh yeah, it’s Paged

401 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 6:00:56am

Quantum of Sophistry

402 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 6:01:54am

Greenfinger

403 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 6:02:26am

Brazilian Police Attacked With Bow and Arrows By Indiginous Peoples During World Cup Protests

Indigenous protesters in Brazil have clashed with police outside the Mane Garrincha stadium in the country’s capital, where the World Cup trophy was being displayed.

The protest caused traffic chaos, with the rush hour traffic stopped completely by the road being taken up with indigenous protesters in traditional dress, along with mounted police and protesters from the Homeless Worker’s movement.

The protests by a group of indigenous people who had climbed onto the roof of the Brazilian Congress building to demand changes in how their land is demarcated were joined by the protesters rallying against the country’s hosting of the World Cup, with authorities saying that around 1,500 people participated in the disruption.

This is the first time that indigenous protesters have joined anti-World Cup protests, though native people have routinely protested in Brasilia against efforts to change the rules around how reservations boundaries are determined. They invaded Congress while it was in session on several occasions last year.

The Homeless Worker’s movement says building stadiums to host the World Cup was too costly, caused real estate prices to soar and forced lower-income families out of their homes.

The World Cup looks set to be the scene for protesters for variety of causes, and bus drivers in Rio de Janeiro said on Tuesday they would start a 24-hour strike at midnight while professors marched down Sao Paulo’s main thruway to demand a raise, as the protesters know that the world media will be paying unusually close attention to the country.

Riot police fired tear gas into small pockets of protesters, some of whom picked up the gas canisters and threw them back at officers, along with stones and pieces of wood.

404 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:03:54am

re: #400 FemNaziBitch

Oh yeah, it’s Paged

Obama should just withdraw this guy’s name from consideration. His views seem bad enough. His ignorance is even worse.

405 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 6:04:19am

Do you want me to reTweet your rants Greenfinger?

No Mr Statist, I want you to drown in a sea of retweets from my Dudebro Army!

406 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 6:04:24am

re: #375 Jay in Oregon

I agree; if the movie wasn’t named “World War Z” I’d consider it a decent zombie apocalypse flick.

The zombies were all wrong and the “solution” to the zombie problem was invented out of whole cloth (and based on the flimsiest of premises). What was a story of a bunch of individual triumphs leading to victory (with a healthy dose of collectivism to boot) became a cliché about the typical American “only one man can save the world” special forces badass. The only scene out of the book that was even partly recognizable in the movie was the one in Israel, and they messed that up too!

I knew that adapting World War Z into a movie (as opposed to, say, a TV miniseries) would be difficult, but it was disappointing to see that they didn’t bother to try.

Best way to do that? In the style of Ken Burns’ The Civil War.

407 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 6:05:01am

re: #394 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Someone with the time could actually comb through all the various narratives provided by Snowden/GG in various news reports and GG’s book and put together a timeline with various discrepancies in their stories. Would be interesting to read.

Yessir! Let me start with a very simple one. Greenwald has been anti-spy with his whole theme of how wrong the whole NSA programs are. Spying is bad. A spy cannot be trusted. Spying should not be tolerated.

So, you want to explain to me why he is listening to Edward the now admitted spy? And all the info can be trusted?

408 darthstar  May 28, 2014 6:06:05am
409 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:08:22am

He chose to go to Russia. He chose to be Greenwald’s patsy. It’s almost as if Ed thinks his actions should have had no consequences and he should have just gotten a pat on the back. Really, what an arrogant asshole. Guy is only a few years older than I am making a good living and living in one of the most beautiful parts of the country and seems like he had a happy relationship with his girlfrirend. It’s not the State Departments fault that he decided to do Greenwald’s biding.

410 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:08:30am

City Council committee wants ‘upskirt’ photo crackdown

In response to what Alderman Ed Burke (14th) called “a lot of weirdoes roaming around” the City Council Finance Committee unanimously approved Friday an ordinance that bans “upskirt” photos and videos. The bill orders a maximum $500 fine for anyone caught taking an unauthorized picture “under or through the clothing worn” of the photographed individual “for the purpose of viewing the body of or the undergarments worn by that person without that person’s consent.”

Please, pleez, tell me this is a parody and not something that is actually necessary.

411 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 6:10:05am
412 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:11:08am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

And if she’s not white:
WHY DID THAT MEXICAN B-WORD SHOOT TEH NICE WHITE COLLEGE BOY WHO JUST WANTED TO BUY HER A DRINK!!!!!! MUST BE ILLEGAL, DEPORT HER!!!!!

Yes, the whole women’s self-defense meme hasn’t played out well in the courts, has it?

413 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 6:11:15am
The White House declined to comment on the mistake and most U.S. media outlets, including the Los Angeles Times, did not release the official’s name for his protection and that of his family.

Down with statist secrecy, we have a right to know.

414 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 6:12:45am

re: #410 FemNaziBitch

It’s actually needed since the existing laws regarding harassment or photographing people without consent are silent on the upskirting thing.

There was a Mass. case a while back that went to the state’s supreme court that found that the conviction was overturned because the law didn’t address the situation. The legislature came back with a fix within weeks.

Lawmakers hastily drew up and passed the bill Thursday, a day after the state’s highest court ruled that current laws against secretly photographing a person in a state of partial nudity don’t apply to these sorts of secretive shots.

“A female passenger on a MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority) trolley who is wearing a skirt, dress, or the like covering these parts of her body is not a person who is ‘partially nude,’ no matter what is or is not underneath the skirt by way of underwear or other clothing,” wrote Justice Margot Botsford of the state Supreme Judicial Court.

The ruling stemmed from a case against Michael Robertson, 32, who was arrested in 2010. He was accused of using his cell phone to take pictures and record video up the skirts and dresses of women riding on the trolley, court documents say.

415 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 6:13:13am

PETA is usually full of crap, but they have found a glimmer of truth to exploit here. There is decent science proposing that some autistic children have a syndrome that makes them intolerant of dairy products. The work, coming out of the University of Uppsala, is not done. The agency seems to be a metabolic trick that renders the milk product to a chemistry that interferes with pain receptors in the brain.

Here’s the issue as I last looked at it:
1. Not all kids can play, but a reasonable portion of them.
2. Work isn’t finished or peer reviewed yet.
3. Danger of being exploited by cult-like nutcases, rife in the autism world.

4. However, in the case of our granddaughter, we gave it a shot and the effect is not subtle. She’s been on a celiac-like milk/gluten diet for a couple years. When she gets an accidental hit of “Yukky for Carrie” food, her bad day turns into a very, very, bad day. Results are mostly screaming headaches, and whatever behaviors she can do to relieve it.

So, the diet approach is not honestly claimed to be a cause of autism, but in some cases seems to be part of a syndrome that makes it much worse. The diet is somewhat life-disrupting but not dangerous, and very much worth it in our one case. We have recommended that others try it and see if it produces the payback.

PETA is still a bunch of exhibitionist nuts.

416 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 6:13:39am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

The insane part is that the guys taking the video didn’t think to drive out of the immediate vicinity. So, while they got some amazing video, they very nearly paid for it with their lives.

417 b.d.  May 28, 2014 6:14:08am

If Snowden was an ex-CIA spy then Putin would just let him lounge around in Russia?

418 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:14:28am

re: #414 lawhawk

It’s actually needed since the existing laws regarding harassment or photographing people without consent are silent on the upskirting thing.

There was a Mass. case a while back that went to the state’s supreme court that found that the conviction was overturned because the law didn’t address the situation. The legislature came back with a fix within weeks.

I’m sorry, there are some people are just too weird for me to comprehend. What is so freaking fascinating about a stranger’s body parts?

I just don’t get it.

419 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 6:16:34am

re: #418 FemNaziBitch

I’m sorry, there are some people are just too weird for me to comprehend. What is so freaking fascinating about a stranger’s body parts?

I just don’t get it.

I think part of it is the adrenaline rush of the voyeurism/danger of getting caught aspect of it, but that’s just a guess.

420 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:17:32am

re: #356 Pie-onist Overlord

Every time I start thinking that I would like to prepare more vegan meals, PETA does something stupid and I have to make chicken or burgers or pizza.

I am a non-meat eater. My birth —just the way I am. I don’t care what other people eat.

That being said, we are omnivores. A varied diet is best, IMHO.

I think most diet related health problems stem from a lack of variety. When people get stuck in their routines and favorite foods and don’t venture out outside that realm, it can be a problem.

That a a consistent diet that comes from a window.

421 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:17:51am

re: #357 A Mom Anon

Think I’m gonna step away from the interwebs for the day. I ended up not sleeping well last night and I think I’m taking Princess Dog for a hike and then go for a haircut or something. This crap is really getting to me, when I thought I had a thicker skin by now. Maybe someday this country will grow the fuck up, but I have a feeling I’m not going to be around to see it. Hopefully my son will, that would be nice.

Be excellent to one another, lizards.

I feel your pain.

422 darthstar  May 28, 2014 6:18:28am
423 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 6:18:33am

re: #418 FemNaziBitch

Titillation factor.

424 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:19:55am

the allergy report for my world today:

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 05/28/2014

*********************************
Pollen & Mold Summary
*********************************
Trees: Moderate Concentration
Weeds: High Concentration
Grass: High Concentration
Mold: High Concentration

425 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:20:02am

re: #420 FemNaziBitch

I am a non-meat eater. My birth —just the way I am. I don’t care what other people eat.

That being said, we are omnivores. A varied diet is best, IMHO.

I think most diet related health problems stem from a lack of variety. When people get stuck in their routines and favorite foods and don’t venture out outside that realm, it can be a problem.

That a a consistent diet that comes from a window.

Mixing it up has worked wonders for me in my diet. I think it has along with the increased exercise and decreased portions a good reason why I’ve gotten in the best shape of my life. Really, it’s a shame. PETA could be bringing to attention some very legitimate problems in the meat industry or how animals are treated in general but they choose to do cheap stunts.

426 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 6:20:13am

re: #416 lawhawk

The insane part is that the guys taking the video didn’t think to drive out of the immediate vicinity. So, while they got some amazing video, they very nearly paid for it with their lives.

They are laughing during the whole video. I don’t think they understood the seriousness of their situation, they just didn’t care or they are just stupid. Either way it’s a pretty good video. I’m glad they weren’t hurt.

427 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 6:20:58am

re: #415 Decatur Deb

The issue seems to be that PETA is not-so-subtly hinting at a causal link between dairy products and the presence of autism in a child, which - from what you’re saying - doesn’t seem to be the case.

Lots of things can exacerbate existing health conditions, that doesn’t mean they cause them.

And, given PETA’s track record, I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t trying to glom onto some of the anti-vax hysteria.

428 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:21:00am

Pat Robertson tells co-host that she owes her husband sex for doing the dishes

Because, otherwise, men would just live with dirty dishes everywhere.

429 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:21:07am

So per one of Randall’s pages. I see that Richard Black isn’t content enough to say he doesn’t know how spousal rape can happen. He has to be an apologist for Bashar Al-Assad in addition to a rape denialist.

430 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 6:21:13am

re: #420 FemNaziBitch

That being said, we are omnivores. A varied diet is best, IMHO.

I agree, human beings used to be highly seasonally dependent on whatever was available: shoots in the spring, fruits and berries in the summer months, game during migration season, etc. That is how our digestive system evolved.

431 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 6:22:15am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

They are laughing during the whole video. I don’t think they understood the seriousness of their situation, they just didn’t care or they are just stupid. Either way it’s a pretty good video. I’m glad they weren’t hurt.

When I heard all the laughing, my first thought was “They’re drunk.”

432 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 6:23:36am

LOL…This is great:

433 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 6:24:03am

re: #428 FemNaziBitch

Because, otherwise, men would just live with dirty dishes everywhere.

You say this like it’s a bad thing.///
(slinks off to wash dishes)

434 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:24:39am

re: #428 FemNaziBitch

Pat Robertson tells co-host that she owes her husband sex for doing the dishes

Because, otherwise, men would just live with dirty dishes everywhere.

What world does he live in where only the women do the dishes?

435 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:25:09am

U.S. Senate candidate stands in a room covered in sexist slurs to decry misogyny

Annette Bosworth, a little-known U.S. Senate candidate from South Dakota, delivered tearful remarks to the media today decrying the “hateful,” misogynistic things she’s been called on the Internet.

Standing in a room covered with campaign signs that were defaced with the same graphic names she said she’s been called on blogs and in the comments sections that accompany online news articles, Bosworth, a Republican, said: “The Democrats talk about a war on women, but much of what you see here is written by the supposedly tolerant liberals. They are hateful, they are hurtful and no person should have to endure it.”

436 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 6:25:15am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

What world does he live in where only the women do the dishes?

The one where they also make all the sammiches. Duh.///

437 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 6:25:45am

re: #424 FemNaziBitch

the allergy report for my world today:

We were moving stuff over the weekend and the store owner was commenting “What are these little dust bunny things all over?!?”.

I remarked that he was obviously downwind of poplar trees in his new location.

438 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 6:27:25am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Mixing it up has worked wonders for me in my diet. I think it has along with the increased exercise and decreased portions a good reason why I’ve gotten in the best shape of my life. Really, it’s a shame. PETA could be bringing to attention some very legitimate problems in the meat industry or how animals are treated in general but they choose to do cheap stunts.

Which is easier and more ego boosting in the short run than the leg work that real investigative journalism would involve. Just look at the Greenwald for the same sort of activity.

439 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 6:27:26am

re: #427 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The issue seems to be that PETA is not-so-subtly hinting at a causal link between dairy products and the presence of autism in a child, which - from what you’re saying - doesn’t seem to be the case.

Lots of things can exacerbate existing health conditions, that doesn’t mean they cause them.

And, given PETA’s track record, I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t trying to glom onto some of the anti-vax hysteria.

Yeah—another of their opportunistic stunts. I don’t want their ‘endorsement’ to keep people from trying to find some relief in the diet or reduce support for the research. Our girl on the diet is still about 6 on an autism scale. If someone gave her a cheese sandwich she might be a 7 for a day.

440 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:27:40am

re: #436 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The one where they also make all the sammiches. Duh.///

Touche.

441 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 6:27:42am

re: #435 FemNaziBitch

U.S. Senate candidate stands in a room covered in sexist slurs to decry misogyny

The difference being, of course, that the graffiti was done by random scumbags on the street. The Republican War on Women is being waged by random scumbags in the state house.

442 JustMark  May 28, 2014 6:28:00am

Sad news. RIP Maya Angelou.

Link

443 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 6:28:26am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

They are laughing during the whole video. I don’t think they understood the seriousness of their situation, they just didn’t care or they are just stupid. Either way it’s a pretty good video. I’m glad they weren’t hurt.

Laughing is a stress release mechanism. I, for instance, have been told that I laugh maniacally on roller coasters.

444 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:29:35am

re: #441 GunstarGreen

The difference being, of course, that the graffiti was done by random scumbags on the street. The Republican War on Women is being waged by random scumbags in the state house.

Yep and honestly blaming it on the left and liberals is a cop out. She’s in South Dakota. Not to say there aren’t liberals there or sexist ones at that but I guarantee you most of the graffiti being done isn’t by liberals. She loses all credibility when instead of using the moment to condemn all sexism to attack the left.

445 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:30:06am

re: #442 JustMark

Sad news. RIP Maya Angelou.

Link

Damn. RIP.

446 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:30:29am

re: #442 JustMark

Sad news. RIP Maya Angelou.

Link

:(

447 darthstar  May 28, 2014 6:31:25am

re: #442 JustMark

Sad news. RIP Maya Angelou.

Link

The free bird leaps
on the back of the wind
and floats downstream
till the current ends
and dips his wings
in the orange sun rays
and dares to claim the sky.

448 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:31:59am
449 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 6:33:25am

Who would let Rand Paul insert sharp objects into their eyeballs?

450 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 6:33:42am

re: #448 FemNaziBitch

Black Republican Claims Cliven Bundy Not ‘Racist at All’

Let me tell you what I know about the negro Republican…

451 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 6:34:56am

Wingnuts think this is a great idea.

452 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:35:52am

re: #451 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think this is a great idea.

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hmmm, where does that leave corporations and people who live primarly off their investments and don’t pay capital gains?

453 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:36:02am

re: #451 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think this is a great idea.

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I am glad to see conservatives admitting their deep contempt for representative democracy.

454 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:36:17am

re: #452 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, where does that leave corporations and people who live primarly off their investments and don’t pay capital gains?

or churches…….

455 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:36:55am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

I am glad to see conservatives admitting their deep contempt for representative democracy.

Thomas Jefferson’s vision of an agrarian republic DOESN’T WORK.

456 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 6:36:57am

Months after snake-handling preacher’s death, his son recovering from snakebite

Snake-handling preacher Cody Coots got scared when the 6-foot long rattler bit his right hand early Monday.

Just three months ago, his father, Jamie Coots, died within minutes of being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at his Middlesboro church.

The loss was still fresh for his family and friends, and Cody Coots, who took over for his father, had just been bitten by an even bigger rattler.

At first, “All I could think about — am I going to make it?” Coots said.

But he remembered his father’s instruction not to panic after a bite because that would make it worse, and tried to keep calm. The painful bite caused swelling and he vomited repeatedly. Friends and family prayed for his healing for hours after Coots refused to go to the hospital.

By Tuesday afternoon, Coots said the pain was gone and he had been able to eat. He was still a little wobbly at times when he tried to walk, Coots said, but he expects to return to work in a few days.

“For a rattler bite, it wasn’t bad at all,” said Coots, who is 21.

457 darthstar  May 28, 2014 6:37:42am

More here…there are some pretty good ones, but I like the message this one sends.

458 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 6:37:56am

To incentivize rich people=give them free crap
To incentivize poor people=take stuff away from them

459 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:37:58am

re: #456 NJDhockeyfan

Months after snake-handling preacher’s death, his son recovering from snakebite

Well, I guess G-d is sending that family a message?

DON’T FREAKING HANDLE RATTLESNAKES

460 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 6:38:11am

re: #452 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, where does that leave corporations and people who live primarly off their investments and don’t pay capital gains?

Anybody, no matter how poor, who buys as much as a loaf of bread in this town pays 9% tax on it.

461 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:38:11am

re: #455 FemNaziBitch

Thomas Jefferson’s vision of an agrarian republic DOESN’T WORK.

Yep.

462 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 6:39:20am

re: #451 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think this is a great idea.

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How about only accepting votes from states that actually pay more in taxes then they receive in benefits?

463 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:40:00am

re: #462 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How about only accepting votes from states that actually pay more in taxes then they receive in benefits?

Shut up libtard, that’s different.//

464 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 6:41:11am

And the Sriracha man wins. The city is dropping it’s complaints. After all the accusations were from few, the evidence of actual air quality violations non existent, and a better air quality systems has been installed.

Good businessman wins.

465 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 6:41:17am

Syrian rebels to UK: Stop sending fighters
Syria crisis: Britons accused of brutal killings

Britons make up most of the foreign members in Syria’s most violent terror group, a senior rebel leader says.

In a letter to The Times, Brig-Gen Abdulellah al-Basheer of the Free Syrian Army asks for help in curbing the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

He claims the group attacks opposition forces, not the Assad regime

UK fighters are involved in activities including beheadings, crucifixions and ill-treatment of women, he adds.

466 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 6:42:29am

re: #462 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How about only accepting votes from states that actually pay more in taxes then they receive in benefits?

All these wingnuts believe they’re going to be a Koch brother when they grow up.

468 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 6:43:31am

re: #464 Rightwingconspirator

And the Sriracha man wins. The city is dropping it’s complaints. After all the accusations were from few, the evidence of actual air quality violations non existent, and a better air quality systems has been installed.

Good businessman wins.

Did it take all this to get him to install scrubbers on his exhausts?

469 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:44:18am

Really it amazes me that these people love to talk about FREEDOM! when it comes to having unlimited arms but they want to do everything possible to either weaken or even outright deny the freedom of other people. In short, they’re fascists. Strong term, I concede but that’s the essence of fascism is freedom for some and second class citizenry if any for others.

470 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 6:45:44am

re: #442 JustMark

Sad news. RIP Maya Angelou.

Link

RIP. She was a great woman and her life benefited many.

471 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 6:45:52am
472 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 6:45:58am

re: #468 Decatur Deb

He already had scrubbers. All the complaints came from only 4 homes, and AQMD could not find any violations at all. Small world I met with and speak from time to time to people at the the baghouse company, as my employer uses the same firm.

473 darthstar  May 28, 2014 6:46:18am

Okay…that Megyn Kelly is vicious…ha!

“There’s still a blonde woman on that set interrupting you at every turn,” Kelly cracked, referring to Scarborough’s sidekick Mika Brzezinski.

“Only if you snapped your fingers at me, you’d have eight fingers instead of ten,” Kelly quickly added, a dig at one of Scarborough’s more infamous on-air moments.

475 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 6:47:35am

re: #472 Rightwingconspirator

He already had scrubbers. All the complaints came from only 4 homes, and AQMD could not find any violations at all. Small world I met with and speak from time to time to people at the the baghouse company, as my employer uses the same firm.

Your link said he upgraded his filters and would again if needed. So everybody wins.

476 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:48:42am

A family member of mine opened up to me about an incident that happened to her as a young woman today. I think more and more should I ever have sons that one of the first things I’m going to try to impart in them is to respect women and to consider them their equal. We men aren’t entitled to women. Love and respect has to be a two way street.

477 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:49:11am

re: #473 darthstar

Okay…that Megyn Kelly is vicious…ha!

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I’ve gotten to the point of ignoring Fox News Barbie Dolls. Well, really the entirety of Fox News.

478 darthstar  May 28, 2014 6:50:11am

re: #477 FemNaziBitch

I’ve gotten to the point of ignoring Fox News Barbie Dolls. Well, really the entirety of Fox News.

Me too…but to see one rip Joe Scarborough apart is kind of entertaining.

480 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:50:59am

re: #476 HappyWarrior

A family member of mine opened up to me about an incident that happened to her as a young woman today. I think more and more should I ever have sons that one of the first things I’m going to try to impart in them is to respect women and to consider them their equal. We men aren’t entitled to women. Love and respect has to be a two way street.

I learned when my son was young that if I didn’t raise him to respect me, he would never respect women. That meant dealing with alot of my own shit and being a person worthy of his respect.

I think the same goes for fathers and their children.

Being an adult is hard.

481 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 6:52:22am

re: #451 Pie-onist Overlord

Ummm… everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

You buy something at a store? You’ve paid taxes - because most states impose a sales tax.

You bought gas? You paid taxes too.

Cigarettes? Liquor? You paid taxes.

Income taxes? Pretty much anyone who has a job pays taxes (they’re taken out as withholding).

But what these idiots think is that if you haven’t paid income tax in April, you aren’t entitled to vote? What kind of nonsense is this? It’s a return to what’s essentially a poll tax.

482 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:53:38am

re: #481 lawhawk

Ummm… everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

You buy something at a store? You’ve paid taxes - because most states impose a sales tax.

You bought gas? You paid taxes too.

Cigarettes? Liquor? You paid taxes.

Income taxes? Pretty much anyone who has a job pays taxes (they’re taken out as withholding).

But what these idiots think is that if you haven’t paid income tax in April, you aren’t entitled to vote? What kind of nonsense is this? It’s a return to what’s essentially a poll tax.

Or restrict voting to those who pay property (real) tax.

483 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:54:28am
484 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:54:30am

re: #481 lawhawk

Ummm… everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

You buy something at a store? You’ve paid taxes - because most states impose a sales tax.

You bought gas? You paid taxes too.

Cigarettes? Liquor? You paid taxes.

Income taxes? Pretty much anyone who has a job pays taxes (they’re taken out as withholding).

But what these idiots think is that if you haven’t paid income tax in April, you aren’t entitled to vote? What kind of nonsense is this? It’s a return to what’s essentially a poll tax.

It’s the same nonsense that brought us “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever.” But you’re absolutely right. Everyone pays taxes. So sick of stupid wongnuts deluding themselves that only they are the providers. In fact, saw a stupid collage meme on facebook today with the usual bs.

485 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:54:59am

re: #483 FemNaziBitch

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486 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:55:19am

I am human
Youtube Video

Losing Maya Angelou is a tremendous loss.

487 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 6:56:08am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

It’s the same nonsense that brought us “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever.” But you’re absolutely right. Everyone pays taxes. So sick of stupid wongnuts deluding themselves that only they are the providers. In fact, saw a stupid collage meme on facebook today with the usual bs.

And this idiocy, brought to you by Dim Jim:

488 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 6:56:10am

I went to sleep right before this conversation started and spent a lot of time catching up on comments here, so I’m late.

re: #200 Bubblehead II

(snip)

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

No, just no.
The very second we “get used to it”, it’s over. Finished. Done.
I will never “get used to it”. And all the hand wringing that we can’t stop it, is nothing less than surrender to chaos.

489 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:56:12am

re: #480 FemNaziBitch

I learned when my son was young that if I didn’t raise him to respect me, he would never respect women. That meant dealing with alot of my own shit and being a person worthy of his respect.

I think the same goes for fathers and their children.

Being an adult is hard.

Definitely. I’ll tell you this much. I’m going to encourage my niece to do anything she wants. I’ll never add “but you’re a girl” to a sentence.

490 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 6:56:55am

re: #487 Pie-onist Overlord

And this idiocy, brought to you by Dim Jim:

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They never talk about the impoverished areas that are Republican strongholds hmmmmmmmmm.

491 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:57:40am

Maya Angelou became more beautiful as she aged.

How did she do that?

492 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 6:58:00am

re: #490 HappyWarrior

They never talk about the impoverished areas that are Republican strongholds hmmmmmmmmm.

Welfare recipient demographics …

493 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 6:58:03am

So…..today was a good day, by my measure at least.

I went downtown, just to fart around for a bit, and popped into a second-hand shop to see if they had any used Seiko 5 automatic wristwatches. They did, but they wanted way too much for one that was pretty much beat to hell; I could buy brand new for $10 more. So, I looked around the store and lo and behold, I found a home hot-dog steamer - something I’d been looking for - for $3. Brand new, they retail here for about $20 to $30. I snapped it up, needless to say. Then I went upstairs to their clothes section. Found two, brand new, made in Germany sport coats; both even had the tags attached. And just my size! $5 each.

The hot dog steamer looks like this:

Czech hot dog (parek v rohlik) steamer

I love finding a bargain.

494 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 6:58:30am

re: #492 FemNaziBitch

Welfare recipient demographics …

HURR HURR!!!!!

495 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:02:16am

re: #494 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!

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1981.

496 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:02:18am

Really the dehumanizing rhetoric shit needs to stop. Those “freeloaders”, those “parasites”, those are people. Human beings and they have every much as a right as you do to participate in our country’s political system.

497 darthstar  May 28, 2014 7:03:48am

498 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:03:52am

Poor people just don’t matter.

we don’t need a strong federal government, States won’t become fiefdoms.

499 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:04:08am

They really do look on Rapture from Bioshock and think “There is the American ideal!”

500 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:05:10am

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.
FDR

501 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:05:31am
502 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:06:52am

re: #501 FemNaziBitch

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The party of assholes strikes again.

503 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:07:43am

“I learned a long time ago the wisest thing I can do is be on my own side, be an advocate for myself and others like me.” - Maya Angelou

504 danarchy  May 28, 2014 7:08:10am

re: #493 Dr Lizardo

So…..today was a good day, by my measure at least.

I went downtown, just to fart around for a bit, and popped into a second-hand shop to see if they had any used Seiko 5 automatic wristwatches. They did, but they wanted way too much for one that was pretty much beat to hell; I could buy brand new for $10 more. So, I looked around the store and lo and behold, I found a home hot-dog steamer - something I’d been looking for - for $3. Brand new, they retail here for about $20 to $30. I snapped it up, needless to say. Then I went upstairs to their clothes section. Found two, brand new, made in Germany sport coats; both even had the tags attached. And just my size! $5 each.

The hot dog steamer looks like this:

Czech hot dog (parek v rohlik) steamer

I love finding a bargain.

IMO, hot dogs are best when grilled to within an inch of their life. Steaming meet is just weird ;)

505 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:09:02am
506 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:09:03am

re: #501 FemNaziBitch

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Wait, I’m confused. Wasn’t it supposedly Democrats who are in the pockets of the health insurance lobby?

507 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 7:09:10am

re: #504 danarchy

IMO, hot dogs are best when grilled to within an inch of their life.

on a stick!

508 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 7:10:12am

HURR HURR!!!! TEH ONLY WIMMENZ WE CARES ABOUT ARE TEH FETUS WIMMENZ!!!!!!

509 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 7:10:43am

re: #504 danarchy

IMO, hot dogs are best when grilled to within an inch of their life. Steaming meet is just weird ;)

I like grilling too; I got used to steamed hot dogs here. It’s a ubiquitous ‘on-the-go’ food, though I’ve noticed Döner kebab is becoming increasingly popular, especially with the younger set.

510 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 7:10:54am

re: #507 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

on a stick!

Priced so low it’s like cutting your own throat?
;)

511 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 7:14:02am

Obama’s speech is starting soon
thewire.com

512 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 7:15:20am

Virginia state Senator Richard Black praises Syria’s Bashar Assad

In a letter to Bashar Assad, Virginia state Sen. Richard Black called the Syrian president “heroic” and commended him and the country’s armed forces for “exhibit[ing] extraordinary gallantry in the war against terrorists.”

“I write to thank the Syrian Arab Army for its heroic rescue of Christians in the Qalamoun Mountain Range,” the letter begins.

Assad posted Black’s letter to his Facebook page on Sunday. The Washington Post later confirmed that Black, a Republican from the 13th District in Northern Virginia, had sent the letter.

513 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 7:16:23am

re: #512 NJDhockeyfan

What a douche

514 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 7:17:29am

Stay classy, Debbie!

515 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:18:26am

re: #512 NJDhockeyfan

Virginia state Senator Richard Black praises Syria’s Bashar Assad

This asshole is my state senator and the same asshole who wondered aloud if spousal rape was possible.

516 William Barnett-Lewis  May 28, 2014 7:18:58am

moving day.life sucks. l8tr lizards.

517 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:19:24am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy, Debbie!

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Really?

518 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 7:21:33am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy, Debbie!

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I remember some asshole acquaintance of mine crowing over the death of Ted Kennedy; I fired back to him, “Yeah….just so you know, I have your obituary already written up. It goes into great detail about what vile scum you are, and that church bells rang and a great cry of ‘Hurrah’ resounded through the land when people learned you were dead. It’s all good to go. And with any luck, it will come in handy sooner than later. Have a good one, buddy.”

Strangely, I never heard back from him after that.

519 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:21:34am

re: #508 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! TEH ONLY WIMMENZ WE CARES ABOUT ARE TEH FETUS WIMMENZ!!!!!!

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Oh, but they do care about women. More specifically, they care to make sure women know their role from birth to death and nothing else. Know that girls should not engage in anything that distracts from their “traditional” gender role, know that a girl from the moment she reaches fertility should not concern herself with anything but becoming marriage material, know that she should not seek employment outside the home and devote herself solely to her husband and offspring, and know that she should spend her remaining years telling those offspring and their own that women have one place in life: The kitchen. Because they know if women leave the kitchen, then men cease to lose any control they have over them.

520 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 7:22:54am

re: #516 William Barnett-Lewis

moving day.life sucks. l8tr lizards.

Hang in there William.

521 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:24:26am
No he-said-she-said, no muffled sounds through the dorm ceiling, no “Maybe he has other issues.” The fruits of our culture’s ingrained misogyny laid bare for all to see.

Orig link

522 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 7:25:14am

Annual health coverage enrollment period started here at work. Lots of whining and complaining going on. (One reason is that a 100% coverage option is gone completely.)

I’m caught up in a debate with someone who is blaming ACA for this and some overall cost increases. I’m challenging them to look at what the year-to-year increases were for the last decade for the standard policy. Plus to also see what else might have changed in the standard coverage as well. Their backup argument is that it’s a bunch of confusing BS where you fight with the doctors or insurance company over every additional charge. And some BS talking point about doctors leaving PA due to malpractice insurance costs while care is cheaper in Texas (yes, Texas!) due to tort reform there.

:p

My counter is that they should advocate a single-payer system and clean out a bunch of the issues at the source.

;)

523 CuriousLurker  May 28, 2014 7:27:58am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy, Debbie!

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Yeah, too bad Angelou wasn’t like Schlussel, whose writing skills & poetry uplift people and contribute something positive to society. Debbie’s mom must be really proud that the daughter she raised turned out so well. //

524 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:28:17am
What did Elliot Rodger need? He didn’t need to get laid. None of us nerdy frustrated guys need to get laid. When I was an asshole with rants full of self-pity and entitlement, getting laid would not have helped me.

He needed to grow up.

We all do.

What do I keep saying about young people?

same as #521

525 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 7:29:28am

re: #523 CuriousLurker

Yeah, too bad Angelou wasn’t like Schlussel, whose writing skills & poetry uplift people and contribute something positive to society. Debbie’s mom must be really proud that the daughter she raised turned out so well. //

I know Debbie’s mom.

526 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:29:49am

re: #512 NJDhockeyfan

Virginia state Senator Richard Black praises Syria’s Bashar Assad

Yeah, Randall paged it.

Love how the tyrannical stick together.

527 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:29:50am

Speaking of Obamacare…

Yes, you’re reading that right, McConnell is trying to say he’s not against Obamacare, just that he’s against Obamacare.

528 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:30:29am

re: #508 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! TEH ONLY WIMMENZ WE CARES ABOUT ARE TEH FETUS WIMMENZ!!!!!!

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Yes, Matt, that is the point. Their mother’s CHOSE to become mothers. Did yours?

529 CuriousLurker  May 28, 2014 7:30:40am

re: #525 Pie-onist Overlord

I know Debbie’s mom.

I’d be mortified if I was her mother.

530 makeitstop  May 28, 2014 7:30:48am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay classy, Debbie!

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Schlussel is one bitter-ass person.

It must really suck to be her.

531 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:31:30am

re: #530 makeitstop

Schlussel is one bitter-ass person.

It must really suck to be her.

Coulter wannabe is no way to go through life.

532 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 7:31:32am

re: #527 Targetpractice

Speaking of Obamacare…

Yes, you’re reading that right, McConnell is trying to say he’s not against Obamacare, just that he’s against Obamacare.

That’s the beginning of the shift towards the GOP and Heritage claiming full credit for ACA in approximately four years.

533 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:32:11am

re: #506 Targetpractice

Wait, I’m confused. Wasn’t it supposedly Democrats who are in the pockets of the health insurance lobby?

Like banking/Wall Street, I think it’s systemic :)

534 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 7:32:25am

re: #531 HappyWarrior

Coulter wannabe is no way to go through life.

I just hope she doesn’t throw up in front of on the dean.
//

535 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 7:32:46am

re: #527 Targetpractice

Speaking of Obamacare…

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Yes, you’re reading that right, McConnell is trying to say he’s not against Obamacare, just that he’s against Obamacare.

He’s actually trying to convince Kentuckians that KyNect is NOT the same thing as Obamacare.

536 Stanley Sea  May 28, 2014 7:33:20am

re: #464 Rightwingconspirator

And the Sriracha man wins. The city is dropping it’s complaints. After all the accusations were from few, the evidence of actual air quality violations non existent, and a better air quality systems has been installed.

Good businessman wins.

Best product in the world wins.

537 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:33:53am
538 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 7:34:04am

“Isolationism is not an option”

539 CuriousLurker  May 28, 2014 7:34:46am

re: #530 makeitstop

re: #531 HappyWarrior

She’s like Geller minus the booze, selfies, and constant focus on Muslims.

540 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:35:16am

re: #527 Targetpractice

Speaking of Obamacare…

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Yes, you’re reading that right, McConnell is trying to say he’s not against Obamacare, just that he’s against Obamacare.

What a load of shit. The good news though is that he’s only going to nfuriate the diehards more who wanted Bevin and that will hopefully strengthen Grimes.

541 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 7:36:37am

re: #527 Targetpractice

McConnell either has no idea how ACA works, or he’s lying about how it works.

He’s for the repeal, but thinks that KyNect would survive, even though the KY exchange is statutorily based on the ACA. It’s like having your cake and eating it too. Wants to claim success for a repeal (that wont happen until 2017 at the earliest (assuming a GOP wins the WH), even though his state’s residents have signed up in droves to get insurance coverage via the exchange.

The GOP stands for the proposition of dropping millions from insurance coverage by continuing its call for repeal of the ACA. And it again highlights that the GOP has not given up on its attempts to repeal the ACA - and that they have no alternatives for it either.

542 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:37:33am

re: #532 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s the beginning of the shift towards the GOP and Heritage claiming full credit for ACA in approximately four years.

Yep. 4 years ago, it was “Obamacare is the worst evil imposed on America!”

2 years ago, it was “This election is a referendum on Obamacare!”

This year, it’s “We’re for all the good things that have come out of Obamacare.”

Next year, it’ll be “Most of the good things in Obamacare were originally our ideas.”

And come 2018, it’ll be “Obamacare was our idea!”

543 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:37:44am
544 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:38:24am

re: #542 Targetpractice

Yep. 4 years ago, it was “Obamacare is the worst evil imposed on America!”

2 years ago, it was “This election is a referendum on Obamacare!”

This year, it’s “We’re for all the good things that have come out of Obamacare.”

Next year, it’ll be “Most of the good things in Obamacare were originally our ideas.”

And come 2018, it’ll be “Obamacare was our idea!”

You mean they’ll claim it was Romney’s idea?

545 CuriousLurker  May 28, 2014 7:40:08am

Before I get back to work in the salt mines, here’s a small counterbalance to all the shitty news that’ll be posted about the ME today:

The frescoes of Fertek

My ventures out to Eski Gümüs,ler and Aktas, having persuaded me that there was more to southern Cappadocia than I’d realized I was soon hopping on the bus from Nig(de and heading towards the village of Fertek where, so the brochure helpfully provided by the tourism authorities assured me, I would find a particularly fine example of a 19th-century Greek Orthodox church converted into a mosque. […]

Inside it was wonderful to see how the church building had been so carefully preserved during the process of turning it into a mosque. […]

546 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:40:22am

re: #544 FemNaziBitch

You mean they’ll claim it was Romney’s idea?

They’ll say it was their idea, and that Romney showed that it can work on a state-by-state basis, which is why they totally want to repeal the federal portion of it. That’s pretty much what McConnell’s saying now, that he loves Obamacare, so long as it applies strictly to the state of Kentucky. And the editorial is blasting him for lying to voters, as Kentucky tried to pass laws just like those in the ACA, only to find that the state’s insurance pools were too small for the laws to work.

547 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 7:40:38am
548 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:41:22am

re: #542 Targetpractice

Yep. 4 years ago, it was “Obamacare is the worst evil imposed on America!”

2 years ago, it was “This election is a referendum on Obamacare!”

This year, it’s “We’re for all the good things that have come out of Obamacare.”

Next year, it’ll be “Most of the good things in Obamacare were originally our ideas.”

And come 2018, it’ll be “Obamacare was our idea!”

Yep.

549 Dr. Matt  May 28, 2014 7:44:25am

re: #542 Targetpractice

Yep. 4 years ago, it was “Obamacare is the worst evil imposed on America!”

2 years ago, it was “This election is a referendum on Obamacare!”

This year, it’s “We’re for all the good things that have come out of Obamacare.”

Next year, it’ll be “Most of the good things in Obamacare were originally our ideas.”

And come 2018, it’ll be “Obamacare was our idea!”

2020: Some nutbag from Texas will submit a bill wanting to change the name to “The St. Reagan and Ayn Rand Conservative Health Care Plan for America”

550 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 7:46:30am

The 5 billion dollar international fund is an interesting idea but it does raise some interesting questions. He mentioned Libya but who do we support with this fund? The government that supports Islamist militias or the unelected renegade general? It’ll be interesting to see how this is applied in practice.

551 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 7:46:48am

OMG drones!

552 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 7:47:23am

I still have that email I received from The Heritage Foundation where they denied they were ever for anything like a mandated health insurance system based on current insurance providers. I think I need to hold on to that one for future use.

553 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 7:48:46am

re: #552 ObserverArt

I still have that email I received from The Heritage Foundation where they denied they were ever for anything like a mandated health insurance system based on current insurance providers. I think I need to hold on to that one for future use.

I still have the PDF from Heritage Foundation’s website that outlines their mandated health insurance plan.

554 jaunte  May 28, 2014 7:51:28am

God selects new Texas Lt. Governor:

Patrick said his victory isn’t his own but belongs to the people and to God.
“In the end the victory was his and tonight I give all the glory to God for this victory,” said Patrick, who promised to govern, first and foremost, as a committed Christian.
statesman.com

555 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 7:52:28am

re: #554 jaunte

God selects new Texas Lt. Governor:

a committed Christian huh so I take it that Dan will be signing a repeal of the death penalty. Oh……that’s right.

556 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:56:00am
557 jaunte  May 28, 2014 7:56:26am

re: #555 HappyWarrior

committed Christian*

*subject to modifications in footnotes

558 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 7:56:50am

The Impossible Dream
Youtube Video

559 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 7:59:20am

re: #553 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still have the PDF from Heritage Foundation’s website that outlines their mandated health insurance plan.

Heritage Stance: “We were all for it before we were against it and we are for it again because we used to be for it before we were against it!”

Everyone, hold all your Heritage proof of their stances so we can pounce on them when they try anything funny.

560 blueraven  May 28, 2014 7:59:42am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

The 5 billion dollar international fund is an interesting idea but it does raise some interesting questions. He mentioned Libya but who do we support with this fund? The government that supports Islamist militias or the unelected renegade general? It’ll be interesting to see how this is applied in practice.

Interesting, but doubt the Republicans will go along.

561 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 7:59:48am

re: #549 Dr. Matt

2020: Some nutbag from Texas will submit a bill wanting to change the name to “The St. Reagan and Ayn Rand Conservative Health Care Plan for America”

The reality of the situation with Obamacare is that all the ideas in it were cribbed from Heritage, with a few new ideas to modernize it. As a result, the GOP was left with no real way to write an alternative to sell because anything they can come up with that includes all the good things in Obamacare have to counterbalance them with the bad things from Obamacare, until what they’re left with is nothing more than a different flavor of Obamacare.

So I expect, come 2016, we’ll see the real beginning of the movement by conservatives to rebrand Obamacare as “Heritagecare” or “Romneycare” or even “Newtcare.” Anything to hopefully erase in people’s minds the idea that the GOP was ever against it.

562 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 7:59:56am

re: #559 ObserverArt

Heritage Stance: “We were all for it before we were against it and we are for it again because we used to be for it before we were against it!”

Everyone, hold all your Heritage proof of their stances so we can pounce on them when they try anything funny.

Got it saved to my hard drive and elsewhere.

563 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 8:00:26am

re: #555 HappyWarrior

a committed Christian huh so I take it that Dan will be signing a repeal of the death penalty. Oh……that’s right.

Ah, but you see, what he means by ‘committed Christian’ is that he’s committed to his idea of what Christianity is, as opposed to…..let’s say, the actual teachings of Jesus (as).

I strongly suspect his idea of “Christianity” is probably much closer to the church this fellow

created then it is to anything even remotely resembling actual Christianity.

564 William of Orange  May 28, 2014 8:00:38am

Wish I could…..

BUT I WANT TO GO SOO LEWIS BLACK ON HIS ASS!!!! fUCKIN’ MORON!

Richard Martinez’ reaction to JTP.

565 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:01:43am

re: #560 blueraven

Interesting, but doubt the Republicans will go along.

Maybe not. My guess is they’ll complain about the spending (demanding offsets) and raise questions about oversight and strategy about how the money will be used and who it will support.

566 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 8:02:14am
567 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:03:26am

I haven’t bought a full price game in a very long time but I think I’ll invest in Tropico 5 this afternoon.

568 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 8:07:37am

re: #567 Killgore Trout

I haven’t bought a full price game in a very long time but I think I’ll invest in Tropico 5 this afternoon.

Have you played any of the previous games in the series?

569 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:08:22am

re: #568 Targetpractice

Have you played any of the previous games in the series?

I played the original a long time ago.

571 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 8:10:02am

re: #569 Killgore Trout

I played the original a long time ago.

Then you might consider buying Tropico 4 on Steam. Comes with the game’s expansion and will allow you to reacquaint yourself with the series before you plunge into Tropico 5. And it’s definitely cheaper now that it’s been out for a few years.

572 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:10:08am

I didn’t catch any mentions of Iran in Obama’s speech. Did I miss it?

573 William of Orange  May 28, 2014 8:10:51am
574 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:10:59am

re: #571 Targetpractice

Then you might consider buying Tropico 4 on Steam. Comes with the game’s expansion and will allow you to reacquaint yourself with the series before you plunge into Tropico 5. And it’s definitely cheaper not that it’s been out for a few years.

Not a bad idea. Tropico 4 was well reviewed, people seem to like it.

575 blueraven  May 28, 2014 8:12:15am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

I didn’t catch any mentions of Iran in Obama’s speech. Did I miss it?

He spoke about the talks with Iran.

576 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 8:12:16am
577 GlutenFreeJesus  May 28, 2014 8:13:44am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

I didn’t catch any mentions of Iran in Obama’s speech. Did I miss it?

He didn’t mention fluffy puppies either.

578 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 8:14:17am

re: #574 Killgore Trout

Not a bad idea. Tropico 4 was well reviewed, people seem to like it.

I definitely like it. Though I admit I haven’t played the expansion part of it yet. Got sort of intimidated by the final mission in the original game’s story mode.

579 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:15:04am

re: #575 blueraven

He spoke about the talks with Iran.

I must have missed it. Looking at the press reports and it seems his comments on Iran were general and not much new.

580 FemNaziBitch  May 28, 2014 8:15:59am

bbl

582 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:17:19am
Similarly, despite frequent warnings from the United States, Israel, and others, the Iranian nuclear program steadily advanced for years. But at the beginning of my presidency, we built a coalition that imposed sanctions on the Iranian economy, while extending the hand of diplomacy to the Iranian government. Now, we have an opportunity to resolve our differences peacefully. The odds of success are still long, and we reserve all options to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. But for the first time in a decade, we have a very real chance of achieving a breakthrough agreement - one that is more effective and durable than what would be achieved through the use of force. And throughout these negotiations, it has been our willingness to work through multilateral channels that kept the world on our side.
583 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 8:17:55am

re: #313 Gus

Women want relationships. Men want sex. Am I being too harsh?

Harsh and wrong. It would be so much easier if I was only in it for the sex, but my brain doesn’t work that way. And for every man you can find that’s just there for sex, you can find a woman who’s the exact same way.

584 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 8:18:53am
585 blueraven  May 28, 2014 8:19:24am

re: #579 Killgore Trout

I must have missed it. Looking at the press reports and it seems his comments on Iran were general and not much new.

Is there something new? He repeated that we would not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons. He talked about the opportunity for a possible deal on nuclear arms, while recognizing the difficulties.

586 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 8:19:51am

re: #451 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think this is a great idea.

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Everyone pays taxes. Sales tax, taxes included in utility bills, etc.

Why do the CONSTISHUN!!!1!1!!1 bangers always turn out to be so fucking wrong about every basic thing?

587 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:20:36am

re: #585 blueraven

Is there something new? He repeated that we would not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons. He talked about the opportunity for a possible deal on nuclear arms, while recognizing the difficulties.

Nope, nothing new.

588 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 8:21:50am

re: #527 Targetpractice

Speaking of Obamacare…

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Yes, you’re reading that right, McConnell is trying to say he’s not against Obamacare, just that he’s against Obamacare.

Research has proven that even wingnuts aren’t against the Affordable Care Act. They’re against Obamacare. Give them the provisions of the ACA word-for-word and they support the hell out of it! Tell them it’s from the Kenyan usurper and they suddenly have a problem with it.

Scumbags, one and all.

589 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 8:22:06am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

Maya Angelou became more beautiful as she aged.

How did she do that?

From within.

590 blueraven  May 28, 2014 8:24:30am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

Nope, nothing new.

I don’t understand why you would think there would be. He has always been about talking to our enemies. Diplomacy first…nothing off the table.

591 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:25:33am

re: #590 blueraven

I don’t understand why you would think there would be. He has always been about talking to our enemies. Diplomacy first…nothing off the table.

I missed the Iran mention, just wondering what he had to say.

592 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 8:27:29am

Trojan Horse update: Police ‘could be sent’ into failing Birmingham school

A council has said it will send police into a failing school if staff “refuse” to allow it to replace its governors.

Al-Hijrah School, in Bordesley Green, was placed in special measures by Ofsted last year after inspectors found evidence of inconsistent teaching and poor governance.

Birmingham City Council said it tried to replace the school’s governors on Thursday but staff had not cooperated.

The council said it would call on support from police “if it had to”.

593 Dr. Matt  May 28, 2014 8:29:13am

re: #313 Gus

Women want relationships. Men want sex. Am I being too harsh?

Harsh? Gus, this statement is stereotyping and inaccurate. Yes, some men only want sex and some women desire a relationship (and vice versa). But, such a statement is far from absolute.

594 Flounder  May 28, 2014 8:31:52am

re: #589 wrenchwench

and here I have been doing this clean living thing.

595 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 8:34:15am

re: #594 Flounder

and here I have been doing this clean living thing.

Gotta watch what you put inside, because it shows, too. Mostly you have to watch what you put in your head, because that always comes out.

596 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:36:33am

re: #588 GunstarGreen

Research has proven that even wingnuts aren’t against the Affordable Care Act. They’re against Obamacare. Give them the provisions of the ACA word-for-word and they support the hell out of it! Tell them it’s from the Kenyan usurper and they suddenly have a problem with it.

Scumbags, one and all.

Yep and that’s why I think that the GOP establishment is worse than the TP. The TP are frankly idiots who don’t know shit. McConnell and his kind meanwhile were in Congress when what we today call Obamacare was the GOP alternative to Clintoncare.

597 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 8:36:41am

Says the guy who regards women as breeding incubators:

598 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 8:38:40am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

Division between the sexes is fine when it means women stay barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen/bedroom (they get to put shoes on for church on Sunday.)

599 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:39:49am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

Says the guy who regards women as breeding incubators:

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Right, Matt, you totally care about women, that’s why you were so harsh in condemning Todd “legitimate rape” Akin or Richard “pregnancy from rape is a gift” Mourdock. Oh wait, you not only didn’t condemn those guys, you cosigned on their bullshit.

600 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 8:40:03am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

Says the guy who regards women as breeding incubators:

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No division between the sexes? So Matt supports an Equal Pay amendment?

601 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:40:24am

Really, it’s adorable seeing guys whose views on women would have been reactionary a century ago pretending they care about women.

602 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:41:04am

re: #600 Targetpractice

No division between the sexes? So Matt supports an Equal Pay amendment?

Fat chance.

603 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 8:41:10am
604 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 8:43:37am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

Really, it’s adorable seeing guys whose views on women would have been reactionary a century ago pretending they care about women.

They’re used to obvious and shameless lying.

And they’re used to their base of rubes buying it, hook line and sinker.

605 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 8:44:45am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

Really, it’s adorable seeing guys whose views on women would have been reactionary a century ago pretending they care about women.

They care about Teh Fetus Wimmenz, especially the ones that are so undeveloped that you can’t even determine the sex.

606 Dr. Matt  May 28, 2014 8:44:52am

Amusing. I have been added to a “gun grabbers” list on twatter…..you know, me, the liberal who owns 2 rifles (including an AR/M4 variant), a shotgun, and three pistols.

607 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 8:46:10am

re: #606 Dr. Matt

Amusing. I have been added to a “gun grabbers” list on twatter…..you know, me, the liberal who owns 2 rifles (including an AR/M4 variant), a shotgun, and three pistols.

Sure, but do your guns have pet names?

608 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:46:36am

re: #605 Pie-onist Overlord

They care about Teh Fetus Wimmenz, especially the ones that are so undeveloped that you can’t even determine the sex.

And then as soon as she’s born, she becomes just another moocher who they don’t want their money paying for.

609 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:47:11am

re: #606 Dr. Matt

Amusing. I have been added to a “gun grabbers” list on twatter…..you know, me, the liberal who owns 2 rifles (including an AR/M4 variant), a shotgun, and three pistols.

Anyone who doesn’t treat guns as sex objects is a gun grabber. Consider it as a badge of honor.

610 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 8:47:56am
611 Kragar  May 28, 2014 8:49:28am

re: #606 Dr. Matt

Amusing. I have been added to a “gun grabbers” list on twatter…..you know, me, the liberal who owns 2 rifles (including an AR/M4 variant), a shotgun, and three pistols.

Welcome to the club

612 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 8:50:07am

re: #606 Dr. Matt

Amusing. I have been added to a “gun grabbers” list on twatter…..you know, me, the liberal who owns 2 rifles (including an AR/M4 variant), a shotgun, and three pistols.

“Gun Grabber” and “Actual Responsible Gun Owner” have a surprisingly large overlap on the Wingnut Venn Diagram. As with so many other topics in this world, it turns out that the people that are actually qualified to talk about it — the people that are knowledgeable, trained, and treat the topic with respect — are never the ones that are the loudest about it. Wingnut rage about things comes from a place of profound ignorance; a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

613 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 8:50:14am

re: #610 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mitch spent years railing against Obamacare in its entirety and fought to have it repealed. He had no hand whatsoever in the success of Kynect. But now that it’s become popular, he wants to claim its success and say he’ll continue it even if he gets his wish of repealing Obamacare, despite it being impossible for Kynect to survive without the law in place.

In other words, he’s trying to play both sides for morons.

614 Dr. Matt  May 28, 2014 8:51:01am

re: #607 Decatur Deb

Sure, but do your guns have pet names?

Only one gun has a pet name.

*snicker*

Youtube Video

615 Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2014 8:52:00am

re: #614 Dr. Matt

Only one gun has a pet name.

*snicker*

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Video

Where’s that “mic drop” GIF when I need it?

616 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:52:44am

Gun grabber in short is anyone who thinks that maybe we need to have a conversation about gun violence in this country.

617 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 8:53:17am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

Gun grabber in short is anyone who thinks that maybe we need to have a conversation about gun violence in this country.

DING DING DING!

618 Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2014 8:53:25am

Everyone really needs to see this page on wingnut nastiness towards Maya Angelou.

619 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:54:08am

re: #618 Eclectic Cyborg

Everyone really needs to see this page on wingnut nastiness towards Maya Angelou.

I did see that. Maya frigging Angelou? I mean really wingnuts.

620 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 8:54:33am

Cliven Bundy Quits Republicans, Joins Forces With Someone Even More Untethered To Reality

wonkette.com

When you’ve lost Cliven, you’ve lost a load of horseshit.

621 Kragar  May 28, 2014 8:55:45am

I found an all new precious little snowflake:

622 Dr. Matt  May 28, 2014 8:55:48am

re: #612 GunstarGreen

“Gun Grabber” and “Actual Responsible Gun Owner” have a surprisingly large overlap on the Wingnut Venn Diagram. As with so many other topics in this world, it turns out that the people that are actually qualified to talk about it — the people that are knowledgeable, trained, and treat the topic with respect — are never the ones that are the loudest about it. Wingnut rage about things comes from a place of profound ignorance; a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Well said. In a million years I wouldn’t:

1) take a picture of myself posing with a firearm let alone posting it on social media.
2) show up to a restaurant with a rifle slung over my back.
3) spend every waking moment obsessing how to involve my firearm(s) in my daily life.

The gun nuts really do have a obsessive disorder.

623 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:57:38am

re: #622 Dr. Matt

Well said. In a million years I wouldn’t:

1) take a picture of myself posing with a firearm let alone posting it on social media.
2) show up to a restaurant with a rifle slung over my back.
3) spend every waking moment obsessing how to involve my firearm(s) in my daily life.

The gun nuts really do have a obsessive disorder.

Because you’re a person who happens to be a gun owner. The gunfuckers as I call them are more gunowners who happen to be other people in the sense that their guns are all they ever think and care about.

624 Skip Intro  May 28, 2014 8:58:13am

re: #618 Eclectic Cyborg

Everyone really needs to see this page on wingnut nastiness towards Maya Angelou.

No, I really don’t.

Thanks anyway.

625 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 8:59:06am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

Gun grabber in short is anyone who thinks that maybe we need to have a conversation about gun violence in this country.

That would be because they love to engage in the ad absurdum argument that any new or stricter gun control laws will fail, which will lead to stronger laws, until eventually the government just comes to take all the guns away. Where did they get that idea? Where else: The NRA, the lobbying group for gun manufacturers and gun dealers.

626 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 8:59:09am

re: #621 Kragar

I found an all new precious little snowflake:

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Because SWAT team members feel the need to go Chilis with their assault weapons and all.

627 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:00:28am

re: #625 Targetpractice

That would be because they love to engage in the ad absurdum argument that any new or stricter gun control laws will fail, which will lead to stronger laws, until eventually the government just comes to take all the guns away. Where did they get that idea? Where else: The NRA, the lobbying group for gun manufacturers and gun dealers.

They also love to do the “I know more about guns than you do libtard so you can’t talk about guns.” It’s true that I don’t know much about guns but it’s also true that they’re fucking little cowards who feel the need to bring their guns everywhere they go because they’re pansies.

628 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:01:30am

re: #621 Kragar

I found an all new precious little snowflake:

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SWAT are “strange men”? Last I checked, when SWAT shows up, it’s to enforce the law. When some dipshit strolls into Chili’s with his kitted-out M16, it’s because he doesn’t think he can be seen in public without his penis extension.

629 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:01:53am

re: #626 HappyWarrior

Because SWAT team members feel the need to go Chilis with their assault weapons and all.

Only when they get calls about a bunch of guys showing up with guns

630 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 9:02:25am

Also passing away yesterday was Massimo Vignelli, whose mapmaking and design aesthetics helped ring in the modern MTA subway maps, and the signage still in use here in the NYC metro area.

631 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:02:29am

re: #627 HappyWarrior

They also love to do the “I know more about guns than you do libtard so you can’t talk about guns.” It’s true that I don’t know much about guns but it’s also true that they’re fucking little cowards who feel the need to bring their guns everywhere they go because they’re pansies.

Thing is, I know plenty about guns. Like I know how there’s no fucking way I’d be so dumb as to “test” a kevlar vest by having someone else shoot at me.

632 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:02:53am
633 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 9:02:56am

re: #629 Kragar

Only when they get calls about a bunch of guys showing up with guns

“Grandad, were you in the Battle of Guacamole?”

634 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:03:34am

Really these people are just suckers. They bought the bullshit about Clinton banning guns in the 90’s. They’ve bought it about Obama. And they’ll buy it with Obama’s successors. The NRA only exists for one purpose anymore and that’s to scare the already scared into being even more scared. We don’t need that in a society that is seeing mass shootings at a higher level than ever.

635 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:04:03am

re: #631 Targetpractice

Thing is, I know plenty about guns. Like I know how there’s no fucking way I’d be so dumb as to “test” a kevlar vest by having someone else shoot at me.

Yeah I heard about that. Bunch of dumbasses.

636 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:04:45am

re: #633 Decatur Deb

“Grandad, were you in the Battle of Guacamole?”

Baby Back Rib Hill, Billy. Lost a lot of good meat there, i tell you.

637 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:08:38am

re: #635 HappyWarrior

Yeah I heard about that. Bunch of dumbasses.

Most definitely. Just the idea of “testing” a vest is asinine, before you factor in the idea of having somebody else shooting at you. A kevlar vest is like a bike helmet: Once you’ve used it, then you need to replace it. Why? Because the vest uses multiple layers of material to stop a single bullet, and dissipates the energy of that bullet over a wide area of material.

638 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:08:45am

You can tell me all about how such and such is or isn’t an assault rifle but you can’t tell me why you need that with you when you’re having your ribs at a restaurant.

639 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 9:10:17am

re: #637 Targetpractice

Most definitely. Just the idea of “testing” a vest is asinine, before you factor in the idea of having somebody else shooting at you. A kevlar vest is like a bike helmet: Once you’ve used it, then you need to replace it. Why? Because the vest uses multiple layers of material to stop a single bullet, and dissipates the energy of that bullet over a wide area of material.

When I sell someone a bike helmet, I often advise: ‘Always wear it and never use it’. Usually takes them a moment to go from blank face to smile.

640 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 9:11:58am

re: #638 HappyWarrior

You can tell me all about how such and such is or isn’t an assault rifle but you can’t tell me why you need that with you when you’re having your ribs at a restaurant.

Because gun-free zones are the playground for spoiled liberal mass murderers.

/

641 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:14:18am

re: #638 HappyWarrior

You can tell me all about how such and such is or isn’t an assault rifle but you can’t tell me why you need that with you when you’re having your ribs at a restaurant.

Because if the manager tries to tell me that its a one trip potato bar one more fucking time, he’s going to regret it

642 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 9:15:02am
643 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:16:31am

This guy:

644 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:18:20am

re: #642 lawhawk

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My grandparents were from Johnstown. What a lot of people don’t know is that there’s been several floods since. In fact, my great grandmother was stranded during the 1936 one when she was pregnant with my great aunt. The story of the flood always fascinated me as a kid when I would visit. It’s a real sad story because it could have been prevented.

645 kirkspencer  May 28, 2014 9:19:45am

re: #621 Kragar

I found an all new precious little snowflake:

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Actually, if a SWAT team shows up armed and ready for action, I don’t feel safer. Indeed it is my earnest desire to be somewhere else for a while.

646 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:20:38am

re: #643 Kragar

This guy:

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or how East Germany was Democratic. Really, the wingnuts love to convince themselves that the Nazis were socialists and on the left yet willingly ignore how the first people after Jews that the Nazis went after were leftists or how they associated Judaism with leftism. It’s more of the right refusing to admit that many of their ideological ancestors were okay with Hitler and Mussolini for a time.

647 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 9:21:01am

re: #643 Kragar

This guy:

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Tell me, was the Republican party founded on Plato’s Republic?

648 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:22:03am

These guys. Totes lefties.
en.wikipedia.org

649 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:24:15am

re: #645 kirkspencer

Actually, if a SWAT team shows up armed and ready for action, I don’t feel safer. Indeed it is my earnest desire to be somewhere else for a while.

You make a fair point

650 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:25:06am

Or the party of Alfredo Strossener. It’s true that some of the early Nazis took the socialist part of National Socialist to heart but it’s also true that they wanted that socialism for only Aryans and it’s further true that they were purged early on. i mean I get it, conservatives are in denial that Hitler was on the right because they think all bad parts of history are due to the left.
en.wikipedia.org

651 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 9:25:41am

re: #646 HappyWarrior

or how East Germany was Democratic. Really, the wingnuts love to convince themselves that the Nazis were socialists and on the left yet willingly ignore how the first people after Jews that the Nazis went after were leftists or how they associated Judaism with leftism. It’s more of the right refusing to admit that many of their ideological ancestors were okay with Hitler and Mussolini for a time.

Wingnuts are hung up on nomenclature. This is why they will insist that Dixiecrats are all “Democrats” all the time.

652 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:27:24am

re: #651 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are hung up on nomenclature. This is why they will insist that Dixiecrats are all “Democrats” all the time.

They’ll insist on that yet their favorite candidate is an elected official who would by his own admission vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and their model judge (Scalia) says he would have voted against Brown. In short, they want to espouse all the nasty rhetoric of the Dixiecrats and other racist movements but they don’t want to own up to the fact that they’re the heirs of the Dixiecrats.

653 Skip Intro  May 28, 2014 9:28:06am

re: #646 HappyWarrior

or how East Germany was Democratic. Really, the wingnuts love to convince themselves that the Nazis were socialists and on the left yet willingly ignore how the first people after Jews that the Nazis went after were leftists or how they associated Judaism with leftism. It’s more of the right refusing to admit that many of their ideological ancestors were okay with Hitler and Mussolini for a time.

Actually, they went after the leftists first. That’s what Dachau was originally built for; a concentration camp for political prisoners. Later on, of course, it’s role was expanded, but in the beginning of Nazi rule in 1933 the first prisoners were the communists and members of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (the actual socialists).

654 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:28:34am

And now, geek news:

655 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:29:52am

re: #653 Skip Intro

Actually, they went after the leftists first. That’s what Dachau was originally built for; a concentration camp for political prisoners. Later on, of course, it’s role was expanded, but in the beginning of Nazi rule in 1933 the first prisoners were the communists and members of the Social Democratic Party of Germany.

That’s right. I had forgotten about that. Auschwitz too was first built for Polish political prisoners. Really anyone who thinks the Nazis were lefties needs to look at who their main opponents were and like wise who was supporting the Nazis.

656 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:32:34am

re: #653 Skip Intro

Actually, they went after the leftists first. That’s what Dachau was originally built for; a concentration camp for political prisoners. Later on, of course, it’s role was expanded, but in the beginning of Nazi rule in 1933 the first prisoners were the communists and members of the Social Democratic Party of Germany.

Indeed, in the early days, the people Hitler reserved the greatest venom for in his speeches was the Communists and Social Democrats who he accused of destroying morale at home and the nobility for putting idiots in command of the war effort based upon who they were related to rather than their skill at leading.

657 Kragar  May 28, 2014 9:32:37am

re: #655 HappyWarrior

That’s right. I had forgotten about that. Auschwitz too was first built for Polish political prisoners. Really anyone who thinks the Nazis were lefties needs to look at who their main opponents were and like wise who was supporting the Nazis.

These are the same guys who are convinced the Nazi were actually a bunch of militant homosexuals, so good luck trying to tell them that.

658 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 9:32:57am

Well, her support didn’t help Steve Lonegan beat Chris Christie in the GOP primaries for Governor, but Sarah Palin still believes in Lonegan. She’s backing him in Lonegan’s carpetbagging efforts in the NJ-3 district (actually both GOPers running are carpetbaggers after Jon Runyan’s seat).

Lonegan, the former mayor of Bogota who has run unsuccessfully for statewide office three times, is running against millionaire Tom MacArthur, the former mayor of Randolph.

MacArthur has poured $2 million of his own cash into the campaign and has the support of the Republican Parties in Burlington and Ocean Counties, parts of which make up the district.

Both men hail from North Jersey and moved to the district in recent months to run for the seat being vacated by the retiring U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan, a Republican.

659 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:33:38am

re: #657 Kragar

These are the same guys who are convinced the Nazi were actually a bunch of militant homosexuals, so good luck trying to tell them that.

Yep true, militant homosexuals who wanted a 1000 year Reich based off a master race. It would be comical honestly if it weren’t so insensitive to the real victims.

660 piratedan  May 28, 2014 9:35:28am

re: #655 HappyWarrior

part of the reason why so many were shocked when Hitler cut a deal with the Soviets (and watching Stalin essentially write off the German Communists, which shows what a pragmatic cold-hearted villain he was) because it allowed Hitler pretty much a free hand in the west. Political expediency can make for some strange bedfellows… witness US policy in the middle east and south america where we propped up every two bit tyrant in order to halt the march of communism.

661 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:35:38am

re: #657 Kragar

These are the same guys who are convinced the Nazi were actually a bunch of militant homosexuals, so good luck trying to tell them that.

Which, of course, is why many of those in the SA who were executed were charged with (amongst other “crimes”) homosexuality, and that homosexuals made up many of those purged in the Holocaust.

662 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 9:35:48am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

Gun grabber in short is anyone who thinks that maybe we need to have a conversation about gun violence in this country.

In other words, if you are not wingnutty enough about yer gunz…you are not a real backer of the 2nd Amendment.

Why does everything have to be pushed to the max? It really is no wonder why some of these guys flip out. They are wound way too tight.

663 A Mom Anon  May 28, 2014 9:36:19am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

Wouldn’t surprise me if Barber was a member of one of those anti PUA or MRA sites anyhow. He fits right in. I wonder how many of the Usual Suspects belong to or visit those sites regularly?

And yes, I’m back. Went to go get a haircut, they had the local wingnut radio station on (WSB) and I turned around and walked out. It was crowded and I didn’t feel like waiting anyway. I’ll wait til the owner is working, she’s a good stylist and doesn’t play stupid shit on the radio. Sigh.

664 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 9:37:04am

re: #660 piratedan

part of the reason why so many were shocked when Hitler cut a deal with the Soviets (and watching Stalin essentially write off the German Communists, which shows what a pragmatic cold-hearted villain he was) because it allowed Hitler pretty much a free hand in the west. Political expediency can make for some strange bedfellows… witness US policy in the middle east and south america where we propped up every two bit tyrant in order to halt the march of communism.

That’s a great point. And not to mention the fact that they were on opposite sides during the Spanish Civil War. Really, I honestly think the right’s attempts to put Hitler on the left is their own guilt at knowing that many conservatives were sympathetic to Hitler and Mussolini because of their staunch anti-communism.

665 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 28, 2014 9:40:34am

re: #664 HappyWarrior

That’s a great point. And not to mention the fact that they were on opposite sides during the Spanish Civil War. Really, I honestly think the right’s attempts to put Hitler on the left is their own guilt at knowing that many conservatives were sympathetic to Hitler and Mussolini because of their staunch anti-communism fucking stupidity and willingness to grasp at whatever rhetorical straws seem to support their boneheaded views.

666 lawhawk  May 28, 2014 9:40:40am
667 Eventual Carrion  May 28, 2014 9:42:10am

re: #417 b.d.

If Snowden was an ex-CIA spy then Putin would just let him lounge around in Russia?

Snowjob is a spy. From my point of view he is a Russian and Chinese spy, not an American spy. He infiltrated us, retrieved USA secret documents, and then ran to the countries he works for. So to me, he should be apprehended, tried as a spy and doled out the punishment that a spy against the USA deserves.

668 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 9:42:50am

I just got a tweet from a friend of mine who claimed that after Florida went with concealed carry crime plummeted.

I did a check on when CC started in Florida, 1987, and then compared gun murders from 1993 to 2010

I found stats on Florida gun murders from ‘87 to 93 but not equivalent time period for the US as a whole.

The US murder by gun numbers went from 17075 deaths to 11078, a 35% drop.
The Florida murder by gun rate over the same time period went from 1187 deaths to 987 a drop of 16.8%.

Are there any RWNJs out there who do not promote spurious correlations?

669 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 9:43:45am

When the GOP is insufficiently nuts for ya, be sure to make a change.

670 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:45:08am

re: #668 b_sharp

I just got a tweet from a friend of mine who claimed that after Florida went with concealed carry crime plummeted.

I did a check on when CC started in Florida, 1987, and then compared gun murders from 1993 to 2010

I found stats on Florida gun murders from ‘87 to 93 but not equivalent time period for the US as a whole.

The US murder by gun numbers went from 17075 deaths to 11078, a 35% drop.
The Florida murder by gun rate over the same time period went from 1187 deaths to 987 a drop of 16.8%.

Are there any RWNJs out there that do not promote spurious correlations?

It also helps to keep in mind that, since peaking in the 1980s, crime in America has been on a downward trend since. And there have been far better reasons given for that, amongst them the banning of leaded gasoline, than the prevalence of concealed gun laws.

671 Lidane  May 28, 2014 9:46:44am

Reason #78524647161784 why “conservative humor” is an oxymoron:

672 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:48:10am

re: #671 Lidane

Reason #78524647161784 why “conservative humor” is an oxymoron:

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And yet, people are surprised that no cable companies want to pick up his network and Fox shit-canned his ass to little fanfare.

673 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 9:48:34am

re: #670 Targetpractice

It also helps to keep in mind that, since peaking in the 1980s, crime in America has been on a downward trend since. And there have been far better reasons given for that, amongst them the banning of leaded gasoline, than the prevalence of concealed gun laws.

That’s why I compared Florida to the US as a whole, I knew the rates had dropped.

674 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:49:56am

re: #673 b_sharp

That’s why I compared Florida to the US as a whole, I knew the rates had dropped.

You knew it and I knew it, but I still keep running into wingnuts who apparently missed the memo that crime has been in decline for decades now.

675 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 9:50:41am

re: #668 b_sharp

I just got a tweet from a friend of mine who claimed that after Florida went with concealed carry crime plummeted.

I did a check on when CC started in Florida, 1987, and then compared gun murders from 1993 to 2010

I found stats on Florida gun murders from ‘87 to 93 but not equivalent time period for the US as a whole.

The US murder by gun numbers went from 17075 deaths to 11078, a 35% drop.
The Florida murder by gun rate over the same time period went from 1187 deaths to 987 a drop of 16.8%.

Are there any RWNJs out there that do not promote spurious correlations?

Broaden that to advocates in general and be twice as right…
You may enjoy this article-
ideas.time.com

*Homicide rates in the United States are lower now than they have been at almost any time in the last century, having fallen by more than 50% since 1991.

*Mass shootings, even using the very broad definition employed by the FBI, make up a tiny fraction of homicides - usually less than one percent.

*No one knows why homicide rates doubled between 1960 and 1980, or why they’ve declined just as sharply in the years since. Many theories have been suggested, including the aging of the population, high rates of incarceration, legalized abortion, and even declines in the percentage of lead in the environment (the latter, improbable-sounding, hypothesis has some surprisingly strong statistical support). But criminology is very far from an exact science, and these various theories remain little more than educated guesses.

676 Skip Intro  May 28, 2014 9:53:38am

re: #657 Kragar

These are the same guys who are convinced the Nazi were actually a bunch of militant homosexuals, so good luck trying to tell them that.

I think it’s pretty clear by now you can’t tell some people anything. History is leftist, facts are leftist, science is leftist, etc.

Still, I don’t think any totalitarian regime has been studied to the degree Nazi Germany has, yet the wingnuts still don’t have a clue about how it worked and who the people who worked it were.

677 Lidane  May 28, 2014 9:57:33am
678 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 9:59:09am

re: #677 Lidane

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The comments in both of today’s threads about Snowden’s interview and the Kerry one are pretty much wall to wall dudebros, wailing that he can’t come back to the US because he’ll get packed off to Gitmo, tortured for years, and never ever be tried in court. At least that’s the ones who aren’t accusing the government of purposefully concocting fake evidence in order to charge him with multiple felonies.

679 Kragar  May 28, 2014 10:00:15am
680 Pie-onist Overlord  May 28, 2014 10:00:17am

Dim Jim shows us why he is Teh Dumbest Man On Teh Internets

681 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:01:07am

re: #675 Rightwingconspirator

Broaden that to advocates in general and be twice as right…
You may enjoy this article-
ideas.time.com

You’re an advocate. I don’t lump you in with the extremists.
I specified the right because the left, in general terms, isn’t averse to putting some reasonable limitations on gun ownership.

The affect of lead on brain development and function has been known for a while & has been studied as a link to violence quite a bit.

682 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 10:02:08am

re: #679 Kragar

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Hell, apparently it makes the janitors at Langley into spies.

683 GunstarGreen  May 28, 2014 10:03:30am

re: #678 Targetpractice

The comments in both of today’s threads about Snowden’s interview and the Kerry one are pretty much wall to wall dudebros, wailing that he can’t come back to the US because he’ll get packed off to Gitmo, tortured for years, and never ever be tried in court. At least that’s the ones who aren’t accusing the government of purposefully concocting fake evidence in order to charge him with multiple felonies.

Yeah, that’s the sticky part of having secret prisons where people are shipped off, tortured for years, and never ever tried in court.

You stop being able to say for certain that it wouldn’t happen.

684 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:06:33am

re: #676 Skip Intro

I think it’s pretty clear by now you can’t tell some people anything. History is leftist, facts are leftist, science is leftist, etc.

Still, I don’t think any totalitarian regime has been studied to the degree Nazi Germany has, yet the wingnuts still don’t have a clue about how it worked and who the people who worked it were.

Totalitarianism & authoritarianism are the two main problem areas. The right is more prone to tribalism (as a catchall for ingroup/outgroup views) which is part of an evolutionary stable strategy.

685 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 10:07:43am

re: #681 b_sharp

Did you see what Maddow did that got called out in the article? Advocates in general are just not objective sources. Thank you, right I’m no extremist, but my point of view shows, and that view colors my view of contrary opinions. Motivates me to debate the points. Hopefully only to a healthy degree.

I make an effort but hey at some level we market or “sell” our own conclusions. It’s a question of degree. PETA/NRA/HCI all nuts if you ask me.

I prefer ASPCA, NSSF, and Americans For Responsible solutions (Gabby Giffords org) ACLU is another good example. Not crazy but certainly highly motivated to push their view.

686 Killgore Trout  May 28, 2014 10:11:24am

re: #675 Rightwingconspirator

Broaden that to advocates in general and be twice as right…
You may enjoy this article-
ideas.time.com

Interesting

But anyone familiar with statistics should be made immediately suspicious by what statisticians refer to as the “cut point” for Maddow’s analysis. Why did she choose 12 victims? The answer is because it created the appearance of a statistically significant trend, where no such trend exists.

Suppose Maddow had defined “this type” of mass shooting as one in which at least 14 victims died. Using that definition, it turns out that the rate of this type of mass shooting in America was nearly twice as high in the 25 years between 1966 and 1991 as it has been in the 22 years since (there were four such shootings in the former period, and two in the latter).

687 Lidane  May 28, 2014 10:13:20am

Party of Small Government and Individual Liberty:

688 calochortus  May 28, 2014 10:13:41am

re: #674 Targetpractice

You knew it and I knew it, but I still keep running into wingnuts who apparently missed the memo that crime has been in decline for decades now.

Remember Wayne LaPierre carrying on about the black and brown menace on our streets that means we all need to be carrying all the time? Then there was some idiot candidate in Texas more recently talking about skyrocketing crime rates because of all those illegals. Now, Texas may in fact be a dangerous place, but I suspect the state government is more a threat than your average immigrant-legal or illegal.

689 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:13:43am

re: #685 Rightwingconspirator

Did you see what Maddow did that got called out in the article? Advocates in general are just not objective sources. Thank you, right I’m no extremist, but my point of view shows, and that view colors my view of contrary opinions. Motivates me to debate the points. Hopefully only to a healthy degree.

I make an effort but hey at some level we market or “sell” our own conclusions. It’s a question of degree. PETA/NRA/HCI all nuts if you ask me.

I prefer ASPCA, NSSF, and Americans For Responsible solutions (Gabby Giffords org) ACLU is another good example. Not crazy but certainly highly motivated to push their view.

Extremists on both sides have the same problem breaking away from their comfort zone of motivated reasoning. All of us do it to some degree, but those who can question their own biases are batter able to draw accurate conclusions.

690 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 10:14:04am

re: #687 Lidane

Party of Small Government and Individual Liberty:

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Or you could stay out of what your employees do with their own time, Senator Hatch. You demented asshole.

691 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 10:15:26am

re: #638 HappyWarrior

You can tell me all about how such and such is or isn’t an assault rifle but you can’t tell me why you need that with you when you’re having your ribs at a restaurant.

Because of angry cows?!?
//

692 Gus  May 28, 2014 10:15:30am

What’s this bologna about Maya Angelou being antisemitic? Wait, never mind. I see who’s saying it.

693 Skip Intro  May 28, 2014 10:16:28am

America’s favorite gun humping ex-sheriff gets in on the Joe the Plumber action:

Chief Mark Kessler
17 hours ago

From a parent of a victim in California,”Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the (National Rifle Association). They talk about gun rights — what about Chris’ right to live?” continued. “When will this insanity stop? When will enough people say stop this madness, we don’t have to live like this? Too many have died. We should say to ourselves — not one more.”

Ok so far? Well, now it time to strap yourself in for a 200mph ride on the CRAZY TRAIN.

OK what about the 50 plus thousand that DIED IN VIETNAM? where was their right to live ?? i understand this fathers is grieving, but his words have just gone to far! what about all the police officers that gave their lives in the line of duty ?? where is their right to live??? what about the countless heroes around the country that gave their lives protecting and serving people like this man ?? where is their right to live ??? no one likes a horrific ACT like this but, I will not sit idle while this man kicks tens of thousands of AMERICAN heroes , Heroes that GAVE THEIR LIVES SO THIS GUY AND CONDEMN THEM

Have I mentioned that “The Chief” can own all the weapons he can afford?

695 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 10:16:52am

re: #691 Feline Fearless Leader

Because of angry cows?!?
//

I’d worry more about the angry pigs. Pork ribs > beef ribs IMO.

696 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:17:39am

re: #685 Rightwingconspirator

Did you see what Maddow did that got called out in the article? Advocates in general are just not objective sources. Thank you, right I’m no extremist, but my point of view shows, and that view colors my view of contrary opinions. Motivates me to debate the points. Hopefully only to a healthy degree.

I make an effort but hey at some level we market or “sell” our own conclusions. It’s a question of degree. PETA/NRA/HCI all nuts if you ask me.

I prefer ASPCA, NSSF, and Americans For Responsible solutions (Gabby Giffords org) ACLU is another good example. Not crazy but certainly highly motivated to push their view.

There is a lot of cherry picking going on unless you speak to the scientists doing the analysis. I’m not about to skewer Maddow just yet though, she may or may not have been the one to pick that cut off point.

It is good that someone noticed and put it out there.

697 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 10:17:40am

re: #687 Lidane

Party of Small Government and Individual Liberty:

[Embedded content]

Hatch clearly sides with Hobby Lobby, telling the crowd, “I hope the Supreme Court doesn’t screw that up is all I can say … Because if they foul up the First Amendment again, we are going to have a constitutional amendment. And I believe I can put one on that everybody in this country, except the nuts, will support.”

We already have one, it’s called the First Amendment. You simply disagree with how the amendment doesn’t carve out special exceptions for Christians.

698 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 10:18:00am

re: #693 Skip Intro

America’s favorite gun humping ex-sheriff gets in on the Joe the Plumber action:

Ok so far? Well, now it time to strap yourself in for a 200mph ride on the CRAZY TRAIN.

Have I mentioned that “The Chief” can own all the weapons he can afford?

The NRA aren’t American heroes who gave their lives Sheriff Shithead. They’re cowards like yourself who feel the need to hide behind a gun. Typical conservative who makes himself the victim in the face of another’s tragedy. Really enjoy your reality show Conmoron.

699 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:18:55am

re: #693 Skip Intro

America’s favorite gun humping ex-sheriff gets in on the Joe the Plumber action:

Ok so far? Well, now it time to strap yourself in for a 200mph ride on the CRAZY TRAIN.

Have I mentioned that “The Chief” can own all the weapons he can afford?

What the fuck does the one have to do with the other?

700 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:19:36am

re: #694 Killgore Trout

2 injured in attack on U.S. consular vehicle in Afghanistan

Were they carrying the appropriate pepper spray?

701 Eventual Carrion  May 28, 2014 10:19:45am

re: #451 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think this is a great idea.

[Embedded content]

Easy enough. Buy a pack of chewing gum and you’re set. Paid sales tax on it.

702 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 10:21:32am

re: #668 b_sharp

I just got a tweet from a friend of mine who claimed that after Florida went with concealed carry crime plummeted.

I did a check on when CC started in Florida, 1987, and then compared gun murders from 1993 to 2010

I found stats on Florida gun murders from ‘87 to 93 but not equivalent time period for the US as a whole.

The US murder by gun numbers went from 17075 deaths to 11078, a 35% drop.
The Florida murder by gun rate over the same time period went from 1187 deaths to 987 a drop of 16.8%.

Are there any RWNJs out there who do not promote spurious correlations?

They’re a big believer in the “lies, damn lies, and statistics” school.

703 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:22:30am

re: #698 HappyWarrior

The NRA aren’t American heroes who gave their lives Sheriff Shithead. They’re cowards like yourself who feel the need to hide behind a gun. Typical conservative who makes himself the victim in the face of another’s tragedy. Really enjoy your reality show Conmoron.

There is a huge difference between the military, who use a gun when necessary and the gun toting wanna-bes who live in a fantasy where that gun will give them the power to be a hero.

They really are giving gun owners a bad image.

704 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 10:23:53am

re: #702 Feline Fearless Leader

They’re a big believer in the “lies, damn lies, and statistics” school.

People really need to learn the meaning behind ‘correlation is not causation’.

705 Gus  May 28, 2014 10:24:18am
706 CriticalDragon1177  May 28, 2014 10:37:45am

re: #25 wrenchwench


And how many shoe bombs have there been set off since than? Millions! shoes don’t kill people, people kill people!

707 Eventual Carrion  May 28, 2014 10:48:02am

re: #494 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!

[Embedded content]

I don’t know LeahR, ask the Cliven Bundy worshipers, They seem to love that moocher just fine.

708 Eventual Carrion  May 28, 2014 10:50:29am

re: #504 danarchy

IMO, hot dogs are best when grilled to within an inch of their life. Steaming meet is just weird ;)

So no get togethers in a sauna for you?

709 Eventual Carrion  May 28, 2014 11:39:00am

re: #679 Kragar

[Embedded content]

I worked for a hospital system for 16 years … I’M A DOCTOR.

Anyone need any surgery?

710 RealityBasedSteve  May 28, 2014 11:40:37am

re: #696 b_sharp

There is a lot of cherry picking going on unless you speak to the scientists doing the analysis. I’m not about to skewer Maddow just yet though, she may or may not have been the one to pick that cut off point.

It is good that someone noticed and put it out there.

One of the big problems is that the RWNJs have made it very difficult to actually get hard numbers and study this in a scientific manner, since the CDC is explicitly banned from tracking any kind of firearm related data.

RBS

711 Patricia Kayden  May 28, 2014 2:33:18pm

re: #532 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s the beginning of the shift towards the GOP and Heritage claiming full credit for ACA in approximately four years.

They can’t do it. They’ve been way too vocal in trying to tear it down.

712 jamesfirecat  May 28, 2014 4:17:43pm

re: #200 Bubblehead II

Lizards, maybe I AM NOT MAKING MY POINT CLEAR.

The point I am trying to make is that regardless of the law, in what ever country the perp is in. If (s)he wants to kill in large numbers, they will do so so. No law will stop them. It is a fact of life.

From the lone suicide bomber on Israeli bus to a rental trailer outside a Federal building, to a kid going on a rampage, they will do so. We can not stop them. They will find a way. Get used to it.

If the law does not stop them why bother making murder illegal at all?


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FemNaziBitch
10 Reasons Feminism Might Not Be for You
This post originally appeared on the blog The Outlier Collective. But since that blog is now defunct, and since people have been asking for this post, I'm republishing it here.I'm typically a huge proponent of the idea that feminism ...

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aagcobb
Climate Change Economics: New Report Says Nixing Fossil Fuels Won’t Be Expensive.
Eric Holthaus, Slate: Climate Change Economics: New Report Says Nixing Fossil Fuels Won't Be Expensive. Essentially, the report takes a refreshingly short-term look at what many still assume to be a long-term problem. Here's the basic calculation: Assume $90 trillion ...

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theliel
AEI Decides to Weigh in on #GamersGate
So Polygon showcases the AEI's anti-femminist response to #gamergate talking about how games are for dudes and dudes need that space to continue being dudes and bitches should get back in that kitchen where they belong. Link is to Polygon ...

7 hours, 3 minutes ago
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Randall Gross
North KC Says Free Gigabit for All - MUNI Network
Here's one that should stump opponents of municipal networks: A Missouri city is turning over operation of its fiber network to a local data center and plans to give away gigabit services to local residents after a one-time fee. ...

10 hours, 48 minutes ago
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CriticalDragon1177
Alternet - Nicholas Wade’s Flawed Book Rewrites the History of Scientific Racism
Jon Phillips takes on Nicholas Wade's claims, and proves once again that so called "scientific" racism is little more than a pseudoscience. This was originally posted in September 2014 edition of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report, ( ...

1 day, 1 hour ago
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Lumberhead
Angry Letters to the One Member of Congress Who Voted Against the War on Terror - the Atlantic
My first attempt at a page - so here we go: The article is a little long but well worth while. I found it to be nicely balanced with interesting excerpts from supporters as well as detractors. Barbara Lee was ...

2 days, 3 hours ago
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The War TARDIS
Doctor Who “Listen” Open Thread
I'm back. Last week, I couldn't do this thread, as something more important was going on. One of my best friends, a sweet, and very devout Christian, is going to the UK to help a Christian Group in Oxford, and ...

4 days, 2 hours ago
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Rightwingconspirator
Are Higher Frame Rates Really a Better Moving Image in Cinema?
As a guy who scratches the surface of this medium with humble indy efforts and some industrial video experience I have to watch carefully. If I commit to the wrong camera or format, it can hurt financially. Once I had ...

5 days, 4 hours ago
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Slap
For guitar fans…
I suppose one needs to be a guitar freak of a certain age to recognize both of these guys. Gabrels' work might be familiar to fans of Bowie/Tin Machine. Nelson's work? I believe him to be one of the most ...

5 days, 7 hours ago
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GlutenFreeJesus
Check your gmail accounts!
Here's the link to the tool. One of mine was on that list, so I changed the password. Good luck! isleaked.com

6 days, 23 hours ago
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