And Now, a Stunning Animated Version of Hieronymous Bosch’s “Garden of Earthly Delights”

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Watch this in full screen mode and be amazed.

We created a new and animated interpretation of ‘The Garden Of Earthly Delights’ by Hieronymus Bosch (it’s this painting). We were chosen to go crazy on the middle panel. So we did… in 4K! It is also an infinite loop in 4K. 4K 4K 4K!!!

See our press release below for a short explanation.

Unfortunately the exhibition at MOTI Museum has ended. Hope you got to see it. It was HUGE and AWESOME! But don’t worry, it will pop up again somewhere. Until then, enjoy the online version.

motimuseum.nl

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Official Press Release:

PARADISE, a contemporary interpretation of The Garden of Earthly Delights

Studio Smack, best known for their music video Witch Doctor by De Staat, have released a new animation: a contemporary interpretation of one of the most famous paintings by the Early Dutch master Hieronymus Bosch, The Garden of Earthly Delights.

In their latest work, the group cleared the original landscape of the middle panel of Bosch’s painting and reconstructed it into a hallucinatory 4K animation. The creatures that populate this indoor playground embody the excesses and desires of 21st century Western civilization. Consumerism, selfishness, escapism, the lure of eroticism, vanity and decadence. All characters are metaphors for our society where loners swarm their digital dream world. They are symbolic reflections of egos and an imagination of people as they see themselves - unlike Bosch’s version, where all individuals more or less look the same. From a horny Hello Kitty to a coke hunting penis snake. From an incarnate spybot to headless fried chickens.

These characters, once precisely painted dream figures, are now digitally created 3D models. All of them have been given their own animation loop to wander through the landscape. By placing them altogether in this synthetic fresco, the picture is never the same. What the animation and Bosch’s triptych have in common is that you’ll hardly be able to take it all in, you can watch it for hours.

‘Paradise’ was commissioned by the MOTI Museum in The Netherlands for the exhibition New Delights, which is part of the Hieronymus Bosch 500-year anniversary. A gigantic video installation of this work is exhibited in the Museum until the 31st of December 2016.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:53:57pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:56:59pm

Too bad Hieronymus Bosch isn’t alive to paint a Trump rally.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:57:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:01:31pm

re: #3 Kragar

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He’s never working.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:01:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:04:50pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

This is one of those Trump fans I was told I should try to “engage rationally” earlier today.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:05:48pm

re: #2 jaunte

I’m pretty sure I saw a bird-headed demon eats people and shits them out in bubbles at the last one. I think he’s going to be Secretary of Transportation.

(I am not wasting a chance at Bosch triptych referential humor. Those don’t roll around very often.)

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:09:42pm

There he is, big mouth, little hands and all.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:10:59pm

The national sport… from Arena Mexico:

clarosports.com

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:11:01pm

re: #3 Kragar

I have never, ever believed a story with the “they said this, and I had this awesome comeback” format.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:14:01pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:16:23pm

I need a better computer. Mine cannot handle the animation above and it looks freaky amazing.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:17:08pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:18:24pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon

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Beautiful.

Start calling him “Old Yellowstain”!

Takes on a double meaning even Herman Wouk could not have anticipated.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:18:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:20:22pm

re: #3 Kragar

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Auditioning for a job with Trump with his whiny attitude.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:22:40pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:23:15pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

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Video

What. Was. That?

Mad Max:Fury Road mixed with equal parts of Midnight Express, Logan’s Run and Something Wicked This Way Comes.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:23:41pm

It’s going to be a challenge running an efficient tyranny if you can’t find competent allies.

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:23:58pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Astonishing.

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:24:52pm

re: #12 Scottish Dragon

I need a better computer. Mine cannot handle the animation above and it looks freaky amazing.

It is! The legs only Can-Can dancers are a hoot.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:26:33pm

re: #19 jaunte

It’s going to be a challenge running an efficient tyranny if you can’t find competent allies.

But President Pee Pee has plenty of Pulpit Pimp pals who anointed him to be our King!

Paula White, Kenneth Copeland and Others Lay Hands On, Pray for Donald Trump

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:26:56pm

re: #8 jaunte

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There he is, big mouth, little hands and all.

Whenever I see Bosch’s paintings I think of Chris Mars. He had a brother that had serious mental disabilities and Chris’s paintings are really in touch with the dark side.

Chris Mars

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:28:51pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

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Video

Well, ummm, okay!

What was that three minute acid trip?

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:29:01pm

I’m so sad. Watching Canadian news makes me want to cry.

A family spent $200 to take a taxi to the Manitoba border to cross into Canada. Four or five in the family. The kids and women got across, Canadian border patrol arresting them straight away (which is how the asylum process begins) but the US border patrol agent (who was an asshole) tried to detain the father. He made a run for it and got into the Canadian BP’s hands (safe) and the Canadian BP tells our BP guy to get out of Canada.

Refugees can’t cross at border crossings because of the agreement between the US and Canada “First Landing” (if they stepped foot into one country first, that’s where they have to stay unless they go thru the immigration process again), so the go through the woods, get arrested and apply for asylum. Asylum from America.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:32:57pm

re: #12 Scottish Dragon

I need a better computer. Mine cannot handle the animation above and it looks freaky amazing.

I can’t watch anything vimeo on my computer. It freezes up multiple times per second of video. Some ads do that too.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:34:08pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:34:31pm

Somalians are now fleeing the US.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:36:55pm

re: #27 jaunte

The US tourism industry is so dead.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:37:21pm

Building up is hard work and takes years. Tearing down can happen so quickly and requires nothing more than hatred.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:40:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:41:12pm

P.S. I can’t recommend the book by Rebecca Skloot highly enough, an absolutely amazing piece of scientific non-fiction that manages to thoroughly explore the still evolving American struggle with race, class, patient rights and medical ethics.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:41:55pm

re: #23 stpaulbear

Whenever I see Bosch’s paintings I think of Chris Mars. He had a brother that had serious mental disabilities and Chris’s paintings are really in touch with the dark side.

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Rare to hear about Chris’ painting. < thumbs up>

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:46:19pm

That was …

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:47:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:48:16pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

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P.S. I can’t recommend the book by Rebecca Skloot highly enough, an absolutely amazing piece of scientific non-fiction that manages to thoroughly explore the still evolving American struggle with race, class, patient rights and medical ethics.

P.S. Skloot donates a significant amount of the proceeds from the sale of her book to a foundation she set up to benefit the descendants of Henrietta Lacks. It’s impossible to overstate the amount of progress made in modern medicine that can be directly traced to the cell line that was taken from her body, cultivated and commoditized without her or her family’s consent.

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electrotek  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:51:21pm

Right-wing Canadians’ FB page:

facebook.com

There’s really no difference between right-wing Canadians and right-wing Americans

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:52:03pm

The Garden of Earthly Delights is prominently featured in Leo DiCaprio’s documentary “Before The Flood.”

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:52:25pm

re: #28 jaunte

Somalians are now fleeing the US.

Not just Somalians.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:53:10pm

re: #33 William Lewis

Rare to hear about Chris’ painting. < thumbs up>

I’ve paid attention to Chris as a fellow Twin Cities drummer (we played with the ‘Mats once) and because he did some album covers for local releases. I’m really glad that he’s done so well after escaping The Replacements. He’s such a gifted artist.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:54:34pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:55:19pm

re: #39 MsJ

True, but since Somalia has for years been used as a stand in for “dangerous, lawless country” it’s notable that a Somali would flee the U.S.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:57:06pm

The French are quite done with Trumpy

America first, France second (official)

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:58:07pm

re: #25 MsJ

I’m so sad. Watching Canadian news makes me want to cry.

A family spent $200 to take a taxi to the Manitoba border to cross into Canada. Four or five in the family. The kids and women got across, Canadian border patrol arresting them straight away (which is how the asylum process begins) but the US border patrol agent (who was an asshole) tried to detain the father. He made a run for it and got into the Canadian BP’s hands (safe) and the Canadian BP tells our BP guy to get out of Canada.

Refugees can’t cross at border crossings because of the agreement between the US and Canada “First Landing” (if they stepped foot into one country first, that’s where they have to stay unless they go thru the immigration process again), so the go through the woods, get arrested and apply for asylum. Asylum from America.

The RepubliKKKlan Party is implementing The Handmaid’s Tale.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:58:57pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:04:45pm

Of course he did.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:04:45pm

I will NOT watch Maher kiss Milo’s ass.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:06:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:07:10pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Does anybody have any idea what Harry Shearer’s fucking deal is lately? It’s just weird how his apparently incessant hard on for bashing Nixon always seems to come up in the context of minimizing Trump’s latest assault on basic decency. What he’s directly referring to here of course is Spiro Agnew’s “Nattering nabob’s of negativism,” which in no goddamned way is equivalent to Trump straight up publicly calling the press the “enemy of the American people.”

I mean, is this just pathological pedantry or is it what I suspect, just another white male uber lefty who seems to inexplicably be making it his head-ass mission in life to run interference for Trump while he engages in rank ethnic cleansing?

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:08:06pm

I did not know this.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:50pm

re: #45 jaunte

Looking forward to the Florida rally tomorrow. Big crowd expected!

Trump talking about his popularity always reminds me of the scene in This Is Spinal Tap where Tap is dissing Duke Fame by saying that the concert crowd was still booing him when they came on for their set. Trump is equally self-aware.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:50pm

re: #50 MsJ

I did not know this.

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8000 people showed up in SC today. They expected 500. Wow.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:10:00pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

is this just pathological pedantry or is it what I suspect, just another white male uber lefty who seems to inexplicably be making it his head-ass mission in life to run interference for Trump

Probably inadvertent but yes.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:11:40pm
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mmmirele  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:11:52pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Here’s an article about the making of that video, which I’ve now watched three times. It’s creepy and mesmerising.

motionographer.com

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:13:52pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:14:46pm

re: #47 Joe Bacon

I will NOT watch Maher kiss Milo’s ass.

Same here. I skipped Tomi Lahren too

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:17:36pm

re: #53 jaunte

Probably inadvertent but yes.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:19:02pm
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:19:53pm

re: #52 MsJ

The resistance will continue to grow and it needs to happen quickly. I’ve been super proud of a lot of what I’ve seen since 1/20.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:20:24pm

re: #61 JordanRules

The resistance will continue to grow and it needs to happen quickly. I’ve been super proud of a lot of what I’ve seen since 1/20.

I know. Me too.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:21:48pm

re: #56 jaunte

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“THE PRESS ARE THE ENEMY OF THE STATE!!!”
“Well I don’t agree with that, but I do think journalists are too full of themselves.”

FFS, John, grow a brain.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:23:56pm

re: #54 MsJ

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:24:41pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:25pm

I have this weird inclination to want Barack and Michelle to stay safely tucked away on an island even though I know that’s not how they roll.

Maybe not weird, but I went from joining the ‘please come back ASAP chorus’ to wanting to grant them some more peace.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:31pm

re: #56 jaunte

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Oh boo fucking hoo.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:28:02pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

Holy shit. I mean holy freaking shit.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:30:08pm

I’m in a mood. (This is the gif of Spencer getting punched out.)

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:34:13pm

re: #68 MsJ

Holy shit. I mean holy freaking shit.

That was expensive.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:35:11pm

This is… Surprising.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:35:40pm

Goddamn, Harry Shearer is a complete asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:39:45pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Goddamn, Harry Shearer is a complete asshole.

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What a douche.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:40:00pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:40:25pm

From the No Shit Sherlock file.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:41:17pm

I can smell the fucking alcohol on Harry’s tweets.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:41:27pm

re: #75 MsJ

From the No Shit Sherlock file.

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Hillary tried telling people that but people like this didn’t care.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:42:11pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

I can smell the fucking alcohol on Harry’s tweets.

Alcohol or weed. Seriously I get it, Nixon was an ass but Trump is much worse.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:42:17pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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Does anybody have any idea what Harry Shearer’s fucking deal is lately? It’s just weird how his apparently incessant hard on for bashing Nixon always seems to come up in the context of minimizing Trump’s latest assault on basic decency. What he’s directly referring to here of course is Spiro Agnew’s “Nattering nabob’s of negativism,” which in no goddamned way is equivalent to Trump straight up publicly calling the press the “enemy of the American people.”

I mean, is this just pathological pedantry or is it what I suspect, just another white male uber lefty who seems to inexplicably be making it his head-ass mission in life to run interference for Trump while he engages in rank ethnic cleansing?

Harry and Susan Sarandon are two peas in the same pod.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:43:08pm

re: #61 JordanRules

The resistance will continue to grow and it needs to happen quickly. I’ve been super proud of a lot of what I’ve seen since 1/20.

Here’s the theme song…

We went to see Frank Turner in NYC tonight. He opened with this, and somehow the entire Beacon Theater knew all the words.

The Sand In The Gears

I recommend seeing Turner live. What an uplifting show.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:43:21pm
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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:43:49pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Hillary tried telling people that but people like this didn’t care.

That PropaneJane tweet storm was just epic, and right. Hillary lost those few states because of Comey. She lost them because of the Russians. She lost them because of vote suppression. She lost them because of white supremacy voters. She lost them because of purity ponies. If none of those things had happened, she would have won 65-35%!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:44:17pm

Nre: #80 makeitstop

Here’s the theme song…

We went to see Frank Turner in NYC tonight. He opened with this, and somehow the entire Beacon Theater knew all the words.

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I recommend seeing Turner live. What an uplifting show.

Really nice guy too.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:44:22pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:44:29pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

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Look at big man Harry over there, attacking Richard Nixon decades after most everybody and their dog agreed that he was a crooked SOB.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:45:03pm

re: #82 retired cynic

That PropaneJane tweet storm was just epic, and right. Hillary lost those few states because of Comey. She lost them because of the Russians. She lost them because of vote suppression. She lost them because of white supremacy voters. She lost them because of purity ponies. If none of those things had happened, she would have won 65-35%!

This really should have been the biggest landslide ever.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:47:12pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

N

Really nice guy too.

Dude, what a show. He made an old man tear up more than once tonight.

And his crowd adores him, with good reason.

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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:47:45pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

This really should have been the biggest landslide ever.

Yep. Any one of those not happening, and she would be president. To have all of them go wrong: she is the unluckiest candidate in history.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:51:34pm

re: #88 retired cynic

Yep. Any one of those not happening, and she would be president. To have all of them go wrong: she is the unluckiest candidate in history.

Not luck. Targeted interference. Luck had nothing to do with it.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:52:34pm

re: #80 makeitstop

That is a great song, fucking a.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:53:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:53:30pm

re: #87 makeitstop

Dude, what a show. He made an old man tear up more than once tonight.

And his crowd adores him, with good reason.

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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:53:32pm

re: #89 MsJ

Not luck. Targeted interference. Luck had nothing to do with it.

Sure. But you would think something would slip up with one of those things.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:55:25pm

Time to get down to brass tacks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:55:55pm

My favorite Turner song though is Tattoos. You can interpret it literally or as a metaphor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:57:14pm

This is a great song though. Great songwriting. I love the sand in the gears metaphor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:57:50pm

And Makeitstop, the venue where that recording was recorded is where I saw him interestingly enough. I believe that’s the Fillmore in Silver Spring, Maryland.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:58:17pm

How to evade like a twitter ninja.

Step 1.) Name drop some author
Step 2.) Smoke bomb

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:58:53pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

That is a great song, fucking a.

It was stunning.

His newest album is called ‘Positive Songs for Negative People.’ That summed up the whole night - songs about how messed up life is, but celebrating it instead of giving in to it.

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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:59:22pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

How to evade like a twitter ninja.

Step 1.) Name drop some author
Step 2.) Smoke bomb

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What a jerk! He is arguing against something quite simple and in your face. SAD!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:59:34pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

How to evade like a twitter ninja.

Step 1.) Name drop some author
Step 2.) Smoke bomb

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He comes off as a pedantic asshole. It’s too bad. Love his voiceover work in the Simpsons but he just seems like a world class dick.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:00:52pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:01:49pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

How to evade like a twitter ninja.

Step 1.) Name drop some author
Step 2.) Smoke bomb

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“Trump publicly declaring the media the ‘enemies of the state’ is exactly the same as Nixon muttering it darkly in a recorded coversation that was made public years AFTER he said it!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:03:48pm

re: #102 makeitstop

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:04:06pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Thank you so much for that request!!!

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:04:29pm

This asshole.

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prairiefire  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:05:19pm

re: #80 makeitstop

Beacon Theater, gdmn.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:08:01pm

re: #105 JordanRules

Thank you so much for that request!!!

A couple months ago I almost started a chage.org petition demanding that. I fucking miss that show so much and the DVD’s are now out of print and hella expensive.

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prairiefire  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:09:48pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

re: #92 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:11:21pm

re: #109 prairiefire

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Thanks!

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:12:40pm

Good news.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:14:06pm

re: #111 MsJ

Good news.

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Excellent.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:14:43pm

Jesus, ICE just flagrantly tampered with this dude’s statement in the most hamfisted and obviously deceitful way. Hopefully the Court imposes heavy sanctions on them for this criminal stunt. Everyone involved in this attempt to defraud the court needs to lose their jobs and go to jail. This is banana republic level corruption.

The rest of the document is a subject of controversy.

Authorities have singled out a sentence that reads, “I have gang affiliation with gangs so I wear a orange uniform.”

Ramirez’s attorneys say the first seven words of the sentence were erased to change a statement into an admission of guilt, and a photograph appears to show smudge marks left by an eraser. His attorneys say the full sentence reads: “I came in and the officers said I have gang affiliation with gangs so I wear a orange uniform.”

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:14:55pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

They show it on one of the Spanish channels here in Phoenix and I still get excited when I see it on the cable guide. Then it clicks, I see the description in Espanol and get disappointed again. Then I get disappointed with myself for being from here and not being bilingual.

Save me this constant disappointment Mr. Simon!

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:15:36pm

re: #106 MsJ

This asshole.

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Let Mitch do that.

See the backlash when people lose their insurance and their parents, spouses and children die.

It won’t be pretty.

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prairiefire  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:15:42pm

Evening out with girl friends, everybody is as awoke as fuck! Plus one girlfriend is having her first sexually fullfiling relationship at 47! (Long time to wait) Everybody, get it while you can. Who knows how long this idiot prez will keep us above sink line.

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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:16:05pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

You can read it.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:17:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:17:51pm

re: #114 JordanRules

They show it on one of the Spanish channels here in Phoenix and I still get excited when I see it on the cable guide. Then it clicks, I see the description in Espanol and get disappointed again. Then I get disappointed with myself for being from here and not being bilingual.

Save me this constant disappointment Mr. Simon!

I hear ya. I hate myself for not knowing Spanish better. My brother’s in laws are all Peruvian so I’m friends with my SiL’s sisters and the entire family and consider them SILs too. My one SiL was in Columbia on a trip, so to lighten the mood I commented, “Oh so you’re “La Patrona De Mar.” The show is “El Patron Del Mal. And if anyone knows Spanish, oyu know why my goof is funny.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:20:11pm

I really need to follow more happy twerps. Anyone have any suggestions?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:20:39pm

re: #117 retired cynic

You can read it.

Exactly. I’m just stunned at how in your face this was. It’s like they’re just used to the court rubber stamping their lazy shit and not even examining their obviously doctored evidence. Which is probably true, since immigrants in deportation hearings aren’t entitled to counsel and so they usually don’t even get public defender quality representation.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:21:11pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

chortle

I bet they had fun with that one. I’m pretty good at the pronunciation so maybe I’ll use that fake advantage to motivate me to go for it. It would certainly expand my emigration options.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:22:52pm

re: #122 JordanRules

chortle

I bet they had fun with that one. I’m pretty good at the pronunciation so maybe I’ll use that fake advantage to motivate me to go for it. It would certainly expand my emigration options.

Yeah but my Spanish is still better than my brother’s heh. They love him though. It’s a cool situation. We’re all boys in our family and they’re all girls so when my niece was born, someone was going to get something they hadn’t had.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:23:53pm

re: #120 MsJ

Agreed so if you start to cultivate more, please drop them here. I’ve looked at the @weratedogs TL over and over. But that’s okay too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:24:15pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. I’m just stunned at how in your face this shit is. It’s like they’re just used to the court rubber stamping their lazy shit and not even examining their obviously doctored evidence. Which is probably true, since immigrants in deportation hearings aren’t entitled to counsel and so they usually don’t even get public defender quality representation.

I’m really thinking about making my specialty if I stick with this paralegal stuff helping out immigrants. I mean I have a lot of issues that I care about but immigration has become my big cause.

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:17pm

re: #120 MsJ

I really need to follow more happy twerps. Anyone have any suggestions?

@EmoPhilips

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:27:16pm

re: #107 prairiefire

Beacon Theater, gdmn.

Recently renovated, too. We hadn’t been there for a few years, and the last time we were there it was kind of run down. The restoration is beautiful.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:27:47pm

re: #124 JordanRules

Agreed so if you start to cultivate more, please drop them here. I’ve looked at the @weratedogs TL over and over. But that’s okay too.

Thank you! I just followed.

I really need some happiness. Shit is just to freaking real these days.

This has potential.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:29:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:31:22pm

re: #129 Kragar

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You and some other people should let Mark know about GG’s history of defending Russia’s human rights abuses. Greenwald’s nothing and I don’t say this term lightly but nothing but an American hating hack. It’s one thing to acknowledge our nation is far from perfect, it’s another to constantly act like the U.S. never does anything right.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:32:17pm
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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:32:38pm

re: #128 MsJ

Who knows what transpires in the hidden chambers of the Senate, in the dark corners of half-lit offices perfumed with the stench of old mens’ flatulence.

I gather the Republican leadership are scheming on how to minimize the back-splatter when the orange clown explodes in incoherent rage in the last gasp to take everyone down with himself.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:34:09pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

We need to put together a collection of links detail Greenwald’s history. Trying to google stuff is a pain in the ass considering how much idiots name drop him

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:35:22pm

double post

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:35:40pm

Let’s check back with our previously scheduled program.

I honestly have no idea where Simon finds the patience to put up with shit like that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:36:43pm

re: #133 Kragar

We need to put together a collection of links detail Greenwald’s history. Trying to google stuff is a pain in the ass considering how much idiots name drop him

Sounds like a good idea. It’s late here but maybe it’s something some of us can work together on. Too many lefties think GG is a reputable source when he’s really not.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:38:34pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Yeah I see too many folks that I thought would know better still linking to him.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:39:21pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Harry knows he’s done for. That last reply was dumb as shit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:39:41pm

re: #137 JordanRules

Yeah I see too many folks that I thought would know better still linking to him.

Somewhere around here, I have a thing he wrote on Portugal’s drug decriminalization policy that I got at an anti drug war event in college. This was before he became Snowden’s voice piece.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:39:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:16pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Let’s check back with our previously scheduled program.

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I honestly have no idea where Simon finds the patience to put up with shit like that.

I take back my he’s high remark, Harry’s definitely drunk.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:27pm

This page is freaking the fuck out in chrome. Keeps trying to sell me McAfee and giving me an undismissable dialogue box insisting I buy antivirus protection.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:41:14pm

re: #142 Jebediah, RBG

I using the thread spy in a Chrome window… no problems here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:41:53pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

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That’s a terrific point too. I get being wary of the intelligence community but if you’re wary of Trump like many lefties are, do you really want him building the intel community with his people? Why, it would make the WASP Ivy League old boy network of the 50’s look like bleeding hearts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:44:37pm

We certainly are seeing the weird far left/far right intersection when it comes ot this. Kucinich echoing the bs about the intel community. As I said earlier, embarassed af that I once supported that guy for President. But I can’t say I’m surprised, when the Obama administration started pushing back against Putin, I saw some of the far left defend Putin too. These people really do believe that any U.S. foreign effort is imperialist and and anyone against our status quo FP is decent. It’s why I saw so many lefties actually embrace Chavez in the Bush years. One can be critical of U.S. foreign policy and not embrace assholes.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:52:10pm

So happy we finally booted Arpaio. I can’t even imagine how much worse it would be under the 45 regime with him still as sheriff.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:54:17pm

re: #128 MsJ

Thank you! I just followed.

I really need some happiness. Shit is just to freaking real these days.

This has potential.

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Considering the recent revelations that the FBI was engaged in an active investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign was actively working with Russian intel services during the election, this has any number of implications. If Comey told the GOP that there was nothing there, they’d be trumpeting it from the mountaintops. But their silence is indicative of some very unfavorable revelations being made to them.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:54:49pm

Regarding the video, I see in the background some recognizable characters - Sponge Bob, and Mickey Mouse. I wonder if the creators were worried about getting letters from lawyers?

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:56:46pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Mostly I concur with that. However, I never trust that good ol’ boy club. They are first looking out for themselves, and perhaps the reason they are so quiet is that they are still trying to get their own ducks in a row, so they come out of this looking good.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:02:38pm
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:08:43pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

I think you make a really important point in noting what the “Deep State” actually is. Sometimes we forget to highlight the obvious because we’re working from a place where that’s a given, but others may have turned phrases used for short hand into something else completely.

I have often reminded GOP folks that Big Government is just working folks like us, not some damned conspiracy zombie.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:10:27pm

This, honestly, is one of my least favorite things that people do on Twitter.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:16:36pm

re: #151 JordanRules

I think you make a really important point in noting what the “Deep State” actually is. Sometimes we forget to highlight the obvious because we’re working from a place where that’s a given, but others may have turned phrases used for short hand into something else completely.

I have often reminded GOP folks that Big Government is just working folks like us, not some damned conspiracy zombie.

To me it’s fascinating how the “deep state” concept went from being a long-standing Turkish conspiracy theory into a sort of shorthand in the English-speaking world for the intel community.

We used to call the deep state the “state within the state”. Maybe “deep state” is just more convenient.

en.wikipedia.org

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:24:25pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

To be fair, it does have negative connotations here but if you unpack all that you still just get a large professional intelligence community that works at a certain level so it works well as short hand without all the extras.

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:25:25pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

To me it’s fascinating how the “deep state” concept went from being a long-standing Turkish conspiracy theory into a sort of shorthand in the English-speaking world for the intel community.

We used to call the deep state the “state within the state”. Maybe “deep state” is just more convenient.

en.wikipedia.org

Or more trendy. Easier to put a “DUH DA DUH” musical coda after it, denoting the entrance of the villain who’s hooked in, fantastically rich, a Brahmin of the State, and manipulates the country beyond the allowances of the Constitution.

In real life, we call these dedicated patriots “Civil Servants”. Underfunded, overworked, handcuffed by political expediency, and often lacking the state-of-the-art hardware and software they need.

And I’m for the rack. Good night dear lizards. Sweet scaly dreams.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:28:10pm

This lady is why we can’t get a new NSA head? Oh lawd!

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:28:12pm

This is the best Nirvana song.

Nirvana - Aneurysm

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:33:13pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

To me it’s fascinating how the “deep state” concept went from being a long-standing Turkish conspiracy theory into a sort of shorthand in the English-speaking world for the intel community.

We used to call the deep state the “state within the state”. Maybe “deep state” is just more convenient.

en.wikipedia.org

What’s really fucking idiotic about the way Greenwald and the rest of the fuckwits on Bullshit Mountain use the term is that it makes no goddamned sense. Career intelligence officers and analysts, if anything, tend to skew deeply conservative politically. These people sure as shit weren’t rooting for Clinton, hell the FBI conspired openly against her and rat fucked the election in Trump’s favor. The evidence of corruption and Russian influence peddling is just that goddamned strong, and Trump’s increasingly unstable behavior is just so fucking disturbing that it’s gotten a bunch of CIA lifers alarmed enough to sit up, take notice and start shitting kittens. Note they only really began leaking information to the press after Trump had sat on it for weeks and it became clear he was going to try and cover the whole thing up.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:34:15pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:36:08pm

So here’s a question for the believers in the “Deep State”: Just what happens if they succeed in leaking something immensely damaging to Trump?

Simple answer: Nothing that hasn’t happened before. Either Trump is so politically damaged that he resigns from office OR evidence of an impeachable offense becomes public. Yet the “Deep State” nutters talk as though the intel community is actively working to remove Trump from office and install the ghost of J. Edgar.

Just be honest, Dennis and Glenn, you support Trump.

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Ubiq  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:38:54pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

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It’s almost as if these people don’t realize the whole POINT of having an intelligence community is to discover if there are treasonous assholes weaseling into power.

You want to argue the IC shouldn’t be assassinating enemy dictators or engaging in foreign ops in south america, that’s dandy. But they definitely SHOULD be investigating and exposing foreign power grabs inside our own government.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:53:08pm
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:54:58pm

re: #162 Kragar

Subtweets of the world unite!

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:14:26am

Of course, it might also have something to do with the common element to Dennis and Glenn’s remarks, namely that the “Deep State” is trying to start up another Cold War with Russia. As in they like Der Trumpenfuhrer because he’s snuggling up to their buddy Vlad.

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Lupin  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:28:07am

re: #133 Kragar

We need to put together a collection of links detail Greenwald’s history. Trying to google stuff is a pain in the ass considering how much idiots name drop him

A few years ago when the US tried to extradite Polanski from Switzerland I had an email fight with Greenwald, which started when I pointed out that a couple of his facts were wrong. It didn’t have to do with the facts of the case, but certain legal aspects which he had either omitted or misconstrued. A simple unobtrusive correction would have done the job, but instead he dug in, became unhinged, and eventually resorted to abuse.

That’s when I realized Greenwald would rather die than admit he might be wrong (especially when he IS wrong) and bears irrational bias which entirely color his thinking. He’s just as bad as the nutcases on the right.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:39:49am

For those pissed at Milo getting off easy on Real Time, Larry Wilmore ripped him a new one on overtime:

MILO Confronts the Panel | Overtime with Bill Maher (HBO)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:43:22am

Another lefty who doesn’t seem to understand how free speech actually works.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:50:43am

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Another lefty who doesn’t seem to understand how free speech actually works.

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It really is impossible to tell anymore whether these people are hopelessly naieve or willfully ignorant.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:51:14am

re: #168 Targetpractice

It really is impossible to tell anymore whether these people are hopelessly naieve or willfully ignorant.

A combination of both, I’d say.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:52:06am
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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:00:45am

So this moron thinks “enemies of the state” is now a form of criticism? That if he were labeled an “enemy of the state,” he’d take it as a criticism towards himself and work to fix whatever caused the criticism? There’s a reason that the phrase “enemy of the state” has negative connontations in most cultures across the globe, and it’s not because it’s a form of criticism.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:04:58am

re: #171 Targetpractice

So this moron thinks “enemies of the state” is now a form of criticism? That if he were labeled an “enemy of the state,” he’d take it as a criticism towards himself and work to fix whatever caused the criticism? There’s a reason that the phrase “enemy of the state” has negative connontations in most cultures across the globe, and it’s not because it’s a form of criticism.

It’s more insidious than that, because he said “enemy of the American people,” i.e. the same people whose popular vote he lost. His dangerous populism and open desire to only serve the minority who voted for him have resulted in subtly de-legitimizing the rest of us as “real” Americans. That was absolutely on purpose and part of the nascent narrative he’s forming that casts all dissent as treason against “the people” and seeks to empower his supporters to see protests as an existential threat and to respond to them with brutal violence.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:08:36am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:10:02am

Seriously, why bother even trying because this is how it always ends.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:13:34am

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:14:05am

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

It’s more insidious than that, because he said “enemy of the American people,” i.e. the same people whose popular vote he lost. His dangerous populism and open desire to only serve the minority who voted for him have resulted in subtly de-legitimizing the rest of us as “real” Americans. That was absolutely on purpose and part of the nascent narrative he’s forming that casts all dissent as treason against “the people” and seeks to empower his supporters to see protests as an existential threat and to respond to them with brutal violence.

I was speaking more to the moron you’re conversing with in tweets, but I thought after Der Trumpenfuhrer’s Thursday meltdown, where he explicitly stated that Republicans only represent those who voted for them that it was pretty clear he thinks those of us who think he’s a lying crock of shit are not “the American people.”

As for this little nimrod’s idea that just saying Trump needs to “calm down” ignores what is pretty obvious to everybody whose head is not crammed up their own ass: Trump is saying this shit because he believes it. He believes those who criticize him, who point out that his not wearing clothes, are enemies of him and any who support him. And when you view someone as your enemy, you can use that to justify any actions you take against them.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:22:20am
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Kragar  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:24:50am
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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:25:47am

re: #29 stpaulbear

The US tourism industry is so dead.

Tourism falls around three or four percent of our GDP, and has been rising faster than the rest of the economy. Winning!
chartsbin.com

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:28:40am
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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:35:51am

re: #103 Targetpractice

“Trump publicly declaring the media the ‘enemies of the state’ is exactly the same as Nixon muttering it darkly in a recorded coversation that was made public years AFTER he said it!”

Trump declaring the media “enemies of the people” is exactly the same as Lenin inventing the term one hundred years ago.

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Lupin  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:44:45am

Treating foreigners who are not even coming to the US like criminals:

The Guardian

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:44:55am

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Let’s check back with our previously scheduled program.

I honestly have no idea where Simon finds the patience to put up with shit like that.

DARVO.

I can’t ask him how Gold Star Families feel about Trump calling VD his personal Vietnam since I’m not on Twitter. I would if I could though.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:46:37am

re: #181 Anymouse

Trump declaring the media “enemies of the people” is exactly the same as Lenin inventing the term one hundred years ago.

I think it was Robespierre who came up with it. It was bandied about during the French Revolution.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:46:57am

It really is shocking how many “smart” people are making excuses to either support Trump or at the very least attack his critics rather than him.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:55:05am

re: #176 Targetpractice

I was speaking more to the moron you’re conversing with in tweets, but I thought after Der Trumpenfuhrer’s Thursday meltdown, where he explicitly stated that Republicans only represent those who voted for them that it was pretty clear he thinks those of us who think he’s a lying crock of shit are not “the American people.”

(clipped rest)

My representative has been saying the same thing for a long time.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:58:47am

re: #185 Targetpractice

It really is shocking how many “smart” people are making excuses to either support Trump or at the very least attack his critics rather than him.

This shit is not hard. You are either with Twitler or against him. These “smart” people must like what Trump is doing.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 1:59:17am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

I think it was Robespierre who came up with it. It was bandied about during the French Revolution.

Further back, though Wikipedia documents its extensive history:

The expression dates back to Roman times; the Senate declared emperor Nero a hostis publicus in AD 68.

The words ennemi du peuple were extensively used during the French revolution. On 25 December 1793 Robespierre stated: “The revolutionary government owes to the good citizen all the protection of the nation; it owes nothing to the Enemies of the People but death”.
Soviet Union

The Soviet Union made extensive use of the term (Russian language: враг народа, “vrag naroda”), as it fit well with the idea that the people were in control. The term was used by Vladimir Lenin after coming to power, as early as in the decree of 28 November 1917:

all leaders of the Constitutional Democratic Party, a party filled with enemies of the people, are hereby to be considered outlaws, and are to be arrested immediately and brought before the revolutionary court.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:04:25am

It’s looking like Russia seems to be experiencing a case of buyer’s remorse.

The new U.S. president has been in his role for just under a month, taking office in a transition that has been marked by chaos and missteps. And already, from the right of the political spectrum to the marginalized Russian left, a mixture of disappointment with the new U.S. president — who came into office promising to remake relations between the two countries — and a sense of vindication that Trump couldn’t be trusted after all has crept into Russian political chatter. “Is Trump already out of fashion?” the independent Russian journal Russkaya Fabula asked on Wednesday — the same day that the Trump administration was dealing with the fallout stemming from revelations about National Security Advisor Mike Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. The site pointed to a small demonstration by hard-line nationalists this week, which picketed a major state-run news outlet and demanded the end of the “cult of Trump” in Russian media.

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The disappointment in the fledgling U.S.-Russian rapprochement seems to have been cemented, both in the Kremlin and among ordinary Russians, earlier this week with the Trump administration unexpectedly declaring that Crimea was taken forcefully by Russia and should be returned to Ukraine. Russia annexed the peninsula from Ukraine in March 2014, the largest land-grab in Europe in decades. In a press conference on Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said that Trump had made it “very clear” that he expected Russia to return Crimea, and urged Russia to de-escalate the situation in eastern Ukraine, which has recently experienced an uptick in fighting.

Russia’s reaction to the Trump administration’s seeming U-turn was swift and straightforward: “We do not return our territories,” said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova in a routine media briefing. “Crimea is a territory of the Russian Federation. That’s it.” The Kremlin also ordered state media to cut back on their overly positive coverage of Trump, Bloomberg reported, citing unnamed sources.

At the beginning of the year, some polls put the number of Russians feeling positively towards the U.S. at double the numbers seen in 2015, reaching some 40 percent. But now, there are signs that some Russians feel they spoke too soon.

“We were too early in our decision, made with absolute sympathy towards President Trump’s constructive rhetoric, that he would somehow be pro-Russian,” Leonid Slutsky, head of the parliament’s foreign affairs committee, said on Wednesday. “But he turned out to be pro-American,” said Slutsky, whose nationalist LDPR party welcomed Trump’s win by publicly quaffing champagne.

foreignpolicy.com

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:14:15am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Turns out crazy guy is crazy.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:23:58am

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Let’s check back with our previously scheduled program.

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I honestly have no idea where Simon finds the patience to put up with shit like that.

Your man Harry Shearer is using a common logical fallacy: tu quoque.

fallacyfiles.org

A particularly nasty one: It’s okay Trump said this because Hitler was exponentially worse.

He also uses another fallacy: an entomology fallacy: That a word (in his case, “torture”) has one and only one definition.
fallacyfiles.org

Religious people use the second fallacy all the time, arguing “evolution is just a theory.” The fallacy assumes there is only one definition for a word (and no second or slang definitions).

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:44:26am
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Lupin  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:46:03am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

It’s looking like Russia seems to be experiencing a case of buyer’s remorse.

Possibly. OTOH if I were the Russians:

1. scheme to elect complete buffoon as president of hated enemy,
2. stab said buffoon in the back,
3. watch as chaos ensues & hated enemy runs and flails like headless chicken

We may be approaching Step #2.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:51:25am

re: #191 Anymouse

Religious people use the second fallacy all the time, arguing “evolution is just a theory.” The fallacy assumes there is only one definition for a word (and no second or slang definitions).

When I was in school (about the same time as you, AM), they taught us how the Scientific Method works: one proposes a hypothesis, and then subjects it to objective testing. If the results are positive, the hypothesis becomes a theory.

(But I have a theory that a lot of people have never been taught the scientific method…)

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:53:54am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When I was in school (about the same time as you, AM), they taught us how the Scientific Method works: one proposes a hypothesis, and then subjects it to objective testing. If the results are positive, the hypothesis becomes a theory.

(But I have a theory that a lot of people have never been taught the scientific method…)

A lot of people have never been taught the scientific definition of the word “theory” (that is simple ignorance, or as you note, lack of exposure to the scientific method).
A lot more people have, and intentionally misuse the word to dupe others (that’s the entomology fallacy, otherwise known as lying).

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:55:49am

re: #193 Lupin

It’s looking like Russia seems to be experiencing a case of buyer’s remorse.

Possibly. OTOH if I were the Russians:

1. scheme to elect complete buffoon as president of hated enemy,
2. stab said buffoon in the back,
3. watch as chaos ensues & hated enemy runs and flails like headless chicken

We may be approaching Step #2.

Insert headless chicken gif here.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 2:59:20am
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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:10:24am

wonkville.net

Having Achieved Its Highest Possible Purpose, Twitter May Now Be Shut Down

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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:17:44am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When I was in school (about the same time as you, AM), they taught us how the Scientific Method works: one proposes a hypothesis, and then subjects it to objective testing. If the results are positive, the hypothesis becomes a theory.

(But I have a theory that a lot of people have never been taught the scientific method…)

Not quite. A theory is an extensive explanation for observed phenomena with added predictive power. For example, the atomic theory of matter. A series of proved hypotheses may provide the impetus for a theory, but they do not become the theory.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:25:09am

To follow up on my comment on theory, a scientific theory rests on a solid body of evidence, and attempts to explain that evidence in a coherent way. It also serves to predict and explain future observed phenomena. If a theory fails to explain something, it is tested again and again, and if it still fails, it’s either modified or tossed out altogether.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:40:16am

re: #200 wheat-dogg

To follow up on my comment on theory, a scientific theory rests on a solid body of evidence, and attempts to explain that evidence in a coherent way. It also serves to predict and explain future observed phenomena. If a theory fails to explain something, it is tested again and again, and if it still fails, it’s either modified or tossed out altogether.

In any case, it has nothing to do with the common use of “I have a (personal) theory that he is gay”.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:46:14am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:48:19am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In any case, it has nothing to do with the common use of “I have a (personal) theory that he is gay”.

Quite so

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:56:11am

Now that the sex-predator-in-chief has declared the media “the enemy of the people” those liberals who were constantly bitching about “the media” are in an interesting position.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:56:12am

re: #203 wheat-dogg

Quite so

Sometimes concerted effort can change definitions of words, such as gay.

Happy (antiquated)
Attracted to same-sex (principal definition)
Festive (antiquated)
Disparaging (slang - ex: This game is gay)
Sexually unrestrained (archaic)
Beautiful, noble, excellent (obsolete)
Abounding in social pleasures (older, see Gay Nineties)
dictionary.com

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 3:57:54am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

It’s looking like Russia seems to be experiencing a case of buyer’s remorse.

——-

foreignpolicy.com

If it’s not Kayfabe, then Putin really has nothing on Trump.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:02:00am

re: #205 Anymouse

Sometimes concerted effort can change definitions of words, such as gay.

Happy (antiquated)
Attracted to same-sex (principal definition)
Festive (antiquated)
Disparaging (slang - ex: This game is gay)
Sexually unrestrained (archaic)
Beautiful, noble, excellent (obsolete)
Abounding in social pleasures (older, see Gay Nineties)
dictionary.com

The popular understanding of “theory” and the scientific definition of theory are totally different. It’s more a question of common language misusing the scientific term, than a new definition.

Putting it another way, the popular understanding of the word gay may have changed, but the definition of a scientific theory has not.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:03:09am

Meanwhole Pence has blamed Russia for the Donbass war at the Munich conference. LOL.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:11:01am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:11:24am

re: #208 Nyet

Meanwhole Pence has blamed Russia for the Donbass war at the Munich conference. LOL.

“We have Pence in our times”

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:13:30am

re: #192 Anymouse

Only missing Laura Ingraham.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:22:07am

Also missed this. Yeah, not looking that good for Putin… at least at the moment.

edition.cnn.com

“The United States continues to condemn and call for an immediate end to the Russian occupation of Crimea,” said Nikki Haley, President Donald Trump’s envoy to the world body. “Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Our Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns control over the peninsula to Ukraine.”

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:29:34am

re: #207 wheat-dogg

The popular understanding of “theory” and the scientific definition of theory are totally different. It’s more a question of common language misusing the scientific term, than a new definition.

Putting it another way, the popular understanding of the word gay may have changed, but the definition of a scientific theory has not.

But the religious wingnuts are trying to change it from its colloquial definition (a wild-ass conspiracy) to conflate it to mean the same thing as a scientific theory (they are all wild-ass conspiracies) - in other words, they are trying to obliterate the scientific definition.

See global anthropogenic climate change - a well-founded scientific theory which is conspiracy to a whole bunch of wingnuts (and my previous example of evolution). Both are sometimes conflated with either “guess” or “religion” now, and a whole bunch of people believe those characterisations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:35:17am

re: #213 Anymouse

But the religious wingnuts are trying to change it from its colloquial definition (a wild-ass conspiracy) to conflate it to mean the same thing as a scientific theory (they are all wild-ass conspiracies) - in other words, they are trying to obliterate the scientific definition.

See global anthropogenic climate change - a well-founded scientific theory which is conspiracy to a whole bunch of wingnuts (and my previous example of evolution). Both are sometimes conflated with either “guess” or “religion” now, and a whole bunch of people believe those characterisations.

Yes, they insist that belief in Evolution of climate change is no different (and therefore legally and educationally equivalent) to a spiritual or religious belief.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:39:55am
Donald Trump’s odds of leaving office via impeachment or resignation have been cut.

The 45th President of the United States is now Evens from 11/10, to leave the Oval Office during his first term.

Trump saw US National Security advisor Michael Flynn resign this week after misleading White House officials over discussions with Russia.

And the Republican’s odds of lasting his full term have also drifted out from 8/11 to 4/5.

It’s also odds-on at 1/2 that Trump is not re-elected in 2020.

news.ladbrokes.com

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:41:31am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:42:30am

re: #176 Targetpractice

I was speaking more to the moron you’re conversing with in tweets, but I thought after Der Trumpenfuhrer’s Thursday meltdown, where he explicitly stated that Republicans only represent those who voted for them that it was pretty clear he thinks those of us who think he’s a lying crock of shit are not “the American people.”

As for this little nimrod’s idea that just saying Trump needs to “calm down” ignores what is pretty obvious to everybody whose head is not crammed up their own ass: Trump is saying this shit because he believes it. He believes those who criticize him, who point out that his not wearing clothes, are enemies of him and any who support him. And when you view someone as your enemy, you can use that to justify any actions you take against them.

Trump is exhibiting symptoms of mental instability. His family history has a record of dementia, and he sleeps for very small amounts of the day (an early symptom of Alzheimer’s IIRC). He’s clearly been unprepared for the job, and has never been used to such vehement opposition directed toward him from practically everyone outside his personal cult (the GOP rank-and-file).

We also have no idea as to what, if any, exact medication he’s taking. And THIS GUY is his “physican:”

“Hold my beer, I got this!”

Yes, he said “lying press” because he believes it. But we also have no idea as to if he’s almost entirely gone (and is being manipulated further by Bannon et al) or if he’s still maintaining all cognitive functions and doing this shit willfully. Neither option is good; the latter is terrifying AF.

It is highly conceivable that Pence wants to use Article XXV, but no one else will. That wouldn’t be a surprise, given that Pence and Trump have rarely gotten along and have no love lost between them.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:45:09am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, they insist that belief in Evolution of climate change is no different (and therefore legally and educationally equivalent) to a spiritual or religious belief.

I don’t get it either.

How could I be arguing with a putatively-educated (PhD) person in Cheyenne’s Olive Garden Wednesday (over my high school education) that the ACA is not insurance, that climate change has been established as most likely caused by humans and will continue, &c?

Facts discovered through scientific enquiry should be simply facts, not political footballs. Is political ideology so strong that it can overrun reality?

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:45:32am

re: #209 MsJ

Thank you so much for this link. I’ve only read some of it but I wanted to say thanks before I forgot. This is an amazing essay.

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The Spite House  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:46:50am

Fuck Bill Maher.

Logged on just to say that.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:47:21am

re: #217 Myron Falwell

Trump is exhibiting symptoms of mental instability. His family history has a record of dementia, and he sleeps for very small amounts of the day (an early symptom of Alzheimer’s IIRC). He’s clearly been unprepared for the job, and has never been used to such vehement opposition directed toward him from practically everyone outside his personal cult (the GOP rank-and-file).

We also have no idea as to what, if any, exact medication he’s taking. And THIS GUY is his “physican:”

[Embedded content]

Yes, he said “lying press” because he believes it. But we also have no idea as to if he’s almost entirely gone (and is being manipulated further by Bannon et al) or if he’s still maintaining all cognitive functions and doing this shit willfully. Neither option is good; the latter is terrifying AF.

It is highly conceivable that Pence wants to use Article XXV, but no one else will. That wouldn’t be a surprise, given that Pence and Trump have rarely gotten along and have no love lost between them.

See also the symptoms of neurosyphilis. Perhaps he did not get out of his “personal Vietnam” unscathed:
en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:47:50am

re: #218 Anymouse

Facts discovered through scientific enquiry should be simply facts, not political footballs. Is political ideology so strong that it can overrun reality?

Climate change used to have some degree bipartisan support, but when Al Gore decided to come out as its spokesman as an Elder Statesman, an unfortunate and unintentional side-effect was to turn it into a highly partisan issue.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:48:54am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Climate change used to have some degree bipartisan support, but when Al Gore decided to come out as its spokesman as an Elder Statesman, an unfortunate and unintentional side-effect was to turn it into a highly partisan issue.

Yeah, sure, it was Al Gore’s fault. *chuckle*

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:49:50am

re: #224 Nyet

Yeah, sure, it was Al Gore’s fault. *chuckle*

The fossil fuel industry had nothing to do with it. Honest brokers, they are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:53:54am

re: #224 Nyet

Yeah, sure, it was Al Gore’s fault. *chuckle*

Not his fault, but that was one of the unintended side effects: it forced anybody on the conservative side who might have been supportive or even benevolently neutral on the topic to reject it outright.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:54:35am

re: #225 Anymouse

The fossil fuel industry had nothing to do with it. Honest brokers, they are.

And yes, anybody involved in or beholden to the fossil fuels industry had to reject it outright as well.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:56:01am

re: #221 Anymouse

See also the symptoms of neurosyphilis. Perhaps he did not get out of his “personal Vietnam” unscathed:
en.wikipedia.org

Oh my god, Hannah.

ONCE IN A LIFETIME: She’s Too Young!

Worst. TV movie. Ever.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:58:10am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not his fault, but that was one of the unintended side effects: it forced anybody on the conservative side who might have been supportive or even benevolently neutral on the topic to reject it outright.

I don’t think you can support this claim of yours.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:58:26am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not his fault, but that was one of the unintended side effects: it forced anybody on the conservative side who might have been supportive or even benevolently neutral on the topic to reject it outright.

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And yes, anybody involved in or beholden to the fossil fuels industry had to reject it outright as well.

Yup, because Al Gore supported climate research, conservatives politicised it (not Gore). Because Obama supported the Republican ACA, conservatives politicised it (not Obama).

The fossil fuel industry at least is somewhat honest: They’re in it for the money. The GOP seems to have to oppose anything, even stuff they support if Democrats also support those things.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 4:59:46am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Climate change used to have some degree bipartisan support, but when Al Gore decided to come out as its spokesman as an Elder Statesman, an unfortunate and unintentional side-effect was to turn it into a highly partisan issue.

“Captain Planet” had it’s share of controversy when it debuted. And Rush has been a denier on a national scale for god-knows-how-long.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:01:54am

re: #213 Anymouse

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There’s a difference between deliberate misuse or misappropriation of a word (theory) and the gradual adoption of a code word (gay) by a wider population. That was what I was getting at.

The religious anti-evolution types willfully choose to ignore the scientific definition of theory, and the entire scientific process. Since their flock don’t know any better, the anti-evos confuse the discussion by equating scientific theory to a kind of religious belief. Because to them, the Bible *is* factual, more factual than fossils in the ground and mutating bacteria. They do not recognize the distinction between objective facts and belief that a book is the divine word of God. Trying to discuss science with them is pointless without first getting them to admit that the Bible is not factual. Good luck with that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:04:47am

re: #229 Nyet

I don’t think you can support this claim of yours.

There was a time when even Newt Gingrich could sit on a sofa with Nancy Pelosi and support fighting climate change.

But alas, that all changed.

Not that it was Al Gore’s direct fault, that was just an unfortunate and unintentional side-effect

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:07:30am

re: #219 William Lewis

Thank you so much for this link. I’ve only read some of it but I wanted to say thanks before I forgot. This is an amazing essay.

You’re most welcome. I try to share stuff I find interesting. Sometime i think I share too much. So thank you!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:08:01am

Larry Wilmore is my new hero.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:08:02am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when even Newt Gingrich could sit on a sofa with Nancy Pelosi and support fighting climate change.

But alas, that all changed.

Not that it was Al Gore’s direct fault, that was just an unfortunate and unintentional side-effect

That was well after An Inconvenient Truth. I understand what you’re saying to an extent because I do in part feel the reason why cons discredit climate change is Gore but I think they would have found another excuse. As for Newt, he’s a hack. That ad doesn’t show anything about his actual principles on the matter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:09:12am

re: #235 Myron Falwell

Larry Wilmore is my new hero.

What did he say to Milo? I don’t watch Maher and I sure as hell wasnt going to watch him give that douche a forum.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:09:56am

re: #228 Myron Falwell

Oh my god, Hannah.

Worst. TV movie. Ever.

Wow, I’m glad I missed that blockbuster TV show. Even the ad is bad.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:11:28am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

What did he say to Milo? I don’t watch Maher and I sure as hell wasnt going to watch him give that douche a forum.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:14:02am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

That was well after An Inconvenient Truth. I understand what you’re saying to an extent because I do in part feel the reason why cons discredit climate change is Gore but I think they would have found another excuse. As for Newt, he’s a hack. That ad doesn’t show anything about his actual principles on the matter.

At least he was willing to identify himself with the matter: now it is a matter of RW faith that Climate Change is nothing but lies from the pit of hell and/or a Soros-funded plot for world dominance.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:14:23am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

What did he say to Milo? I don’t watch Maher and I sure as hell wasnt going to watch him give that douche a forum.

“I don’t! But you always invite such awful people on your show,” (Milo) said (in reply to Maher’s question, “do you always have to fight with everyone?”) waving to the rest of the panel. “They’re so stupid… You should start inviting high-IQ guests.”

“You can go f— yourself, all right?” (Larry) Wilmore shot back to the roar of the audience. “If your argument is these people are stupid, you didn’t hear a word [U.S. counterterrorism intelligence officer Malcolm Nance] said earlier in this segment. He can talk circles around your pathetic douchy little ass.”

But Wilmore wasn’t done with him. “And Leslie Jones is not barely literate, go f— yourself again for that.”

ew.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:17:15am

re: #239 MsJ

[Embedded content]

Awesome. Good for Larry. Milo’s a fucked little dingus. As for using Jones’ Twitter, uh Milo, you worship Trump, ever read Trump’s when you’re not wacking yourself off?

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:17:25am

re: #232 wheat-dogg

There’s a difference between deliberate misuse or misappropriation of a word (theory) and the gradual adoption of a code word (gay) by a wider population. That was what I was getting at.

The religious anti-evolution types willfully choose to ignore the scientific definition of theory, and the entire scientific process. Since their flock don’t know any better, the anti-evos confuse the discussion by equating scientific theory to a kind of religious belief. Because to them, the Bible *is* factual, more factual than fossils in the ground and mutating bacteria. They do not recognize the distinction between objective facts and belief that a book is the divine word of God. Trying to discuss science with them is pointless without first getting them to admit that the Bible is not factual. Good luck with that.

And the hardest part of getting a believer to change (or even consider) his or her view is they seem often to conflate “what they believe” with “who they are.”

Thus an attack on a religious belief (people don’t come back from the dead, the world is over ten thousand years old, &c) to that believer is a personal attack on them. They feel you have rejected the person because you don’t accept the belief.

Until that person changes their own belief they will not accept new or different information.

DarkMatter2525 made a very good animation about this (6:59):

The Real God: An Epiphany

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:18:53am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least he was willing to identify himself with the matter: now it is a matter of RW faith that Climate Change is nothing but lies from the pit of hell and/or a Soros-funded plot for world dominance.

Agree but that was before Obama got elected. He would never have done that in the Obama years.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:20:02am

re: #241 Myron Falwell

“I don’t! But you always invite such awful people on your show,” (Milo) said (in reply to Maher’s question, “do you always have to fight with everyone?”) waving to the rest of the panel. “They’re so stupid… You should start inviting high-IQ guests.”

“You can go f— yourself, all right?” (Larry) Wilmore shot back to the roar of the audience. “If your argument is these people are stupid, you didn’t hear a word [U.S. counterterrorism intelligence officer Malcolm Nance] said earlier in this segment. He can talk circles around your pathetic douchy little ass.”

But Wilmore wasn’t done with him. “And Leslie Jones is not barely literate, go f— yourself again for that.”

ew.com

Awesome. Really Milo’s such a pathetic loser. He thinks he’s such a rebel but he’s actually a pathetic loser who just wants attention.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:20:17am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when even Newt Gingrich could sit on a sofa with Nancy Pelosi and support fighting climate change.

But alas, that all changed.

Not that it was Al Gore’s direct fault, that was just an unfortunate and unintentional side-effect

And, I repeat, I don’t think you can actually support this claim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:22:17am

re: #246 Nyet

And, I repeat, I don’t think you can actually support this claim.

Sorry Wendell, Sergey is right here. You said yourself about Soros, they would find some other excuse to deny it if Gore hadn’t used his post elected office career to focus on CC. Maybe some wouldn’t have dismissed it but I can’t say it’s merely Gore.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:23:04am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

I’m not saying it wasn’t Gore. Maybe it was, but I would like to see some harder data than a say-so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:24:04am

re: #246 Nyet

And, I repeat, I don’t think you can actually support this claim.

Not a claim, just an observation: Al Gore, by championing the cause, simply turned himself into a rallying point and lighting rod to an already existing and entrenched opposition to dealing or even admitting the existence of climate change.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:24:52am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not a claim, just an observation: Al Gore, by championing the cause, simply turned himself into a rallying point and lighting rod to an already existing and entrenched opposition to dealing or even admitting the existence of climate change.

That’s your opinion. Is there data to support it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:25:47am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Sorry Wendell, Sergey is right here. You said yourself about Soros, they would find some other excuse to deny it if Gore hadn’t used his post elected office career to focus on CC. Maybe some wouldn’t have dismissed it but I can’t say it’s merely Gore.

And yes, had it not been Gore, they would have found someone else to focus on. Because it is not about the evidence, which is overwhelmingly against them, it is about personalities, ideologies and massive red herrings, like the incident involving hacked climate control data presented out of context.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:29:04am

re: #248 Nyet

I’m not saying it wasn’t Gore. Maybe it was, but I would like to see some harder data than a say-so.

I don’t know how you can prove such a thing with data. I suppose you could find polls about perceptions of CC before and after 2000.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:29:10am

Here is a wiki history of climate change denial. Gore barely figures in it.
And yes, it’s wiki, but still better than an unsourced say-so.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:30:42am

re: #253 Nyet

Here is a wiki history of climate change denial. Gore barely figures in it.
And yes, it’s wiki, but still better than an unsourced say-so.

en.wikipedia.org

Good find. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:31:57am

Military services in the 1940s and 1950s supported scientific research into the environment. They were primarily interested in the operational data and potential for warfare, but were also open to the academic scientific discoveries as a result. For example, Gilbert Plass worked on radiation transmission through the atmosphere for weapons systems, and “in the evening” wrote papers giving new impetus to greenhouse effect theory. Oceanographer Roger Revelle played a key role; his 1957 paper co-authored with Hans Suess overturned the presumption that oceans would quickly absorb increased CO2, and has been described as “the opening shot in the global warming debates”. Revelle was quick to inform both the public and government officials of the risks, spreading his theme that “In consuming our fossil fuels at a prodigious rate, our civilization is conducting a grandiose scientific experiment.”[57][58] In the following decades, public and scientific concerns about this and other environmental issues increased. More research was needed, and was taken on by new agencies including NASA and NOAA, but funding became sporadic. The 1979 Charney Report reviewed the state of climate research, concluding that substantial warming was already on the way, and “the ocean, the great and ponderous flywheel of the global climate system, may be expected to slow the course of observable climatic change. A wait-and-see policy may mean waiting until it is too late.”[59]

A conservative reaction built up, denying environmental concerns which could lead to government regulation. With the 1981 Presidency of Ronald Reagan, global warming became a political issue, with immediate plans to cut spending on environmental research, particularly climate related, and stop funding for CO2 monitoring. Reagan appointed as Secretary of Energy James B. Edwards, who said that there was no real global warming problem. Congressman Al Gore had studied under Revelle and was aware of the developing science: he joined others in arranging congressional hearings from 1981 onwards, with testimony by scientists including Revelle, Stephen Schneider and Wallace Smith Broecker. The hearings gained enough public attention to reduce the cuts in atmospheric research.[60] A polarized party-political debate developed. In 1982 Sherwood B. Idso published his book Carbon Dioxide: Friend or Foe? which said increases in CO2 would not warm the planet, but would fertilize crops and were “something to be encouraged and not suppressed”, while complaining that his theories had been rejected by the “scientific establishment”. An Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) report in 1983 said global warming was “not a theoretical problem but a threat whose effects will be felt within a few years”, with potentially “catastrophic” consequences.[61] The Reagan administration reacted by calling the report “alarmist”, and the dispute got wide news coverage. Public attention turned to other issues, then the 1985 finding of a polar ozone hole brought a swift international response. To the public, this was related to climate change and the possibility of effective action, but news interest faded

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:32:31am

re: #253 Nyet

Here is a wiki history of climate change denial. Gore barely figures in it.
And yes, it’s wiki, but still better than an unsourced say-so.

en.wikipedia.org

And in 1958, Bell Telephone dealt with climate change (positively) in an hour-long documentary.

The Unchained Goddess 1958 - Bell Science Hour (Discusses Weather / Climate Change)

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:33:58am

ICYMI.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:34:59am

re: #257 MsJ

ICYMI.

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Great, we’re basically like people who live next door to the guy who owes the Mob millions.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:39:06am

Radioactivities? An amazing number of FB commenters believed in all seriousness that this was a vintage activity book for children.

Needless (?) to say, it is a recently produced satire.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:39:13am

re: #25 MsJ

I’m so sad. Watching Canadian news makes me want to cry.

A family spent $200 to take a taxi to the Manitoba border to cross into Canada. Four or five in the family. The kids and women got across, Canadian border patrol arresting them straight away (which is how the asylum process begins) but the US border patrol agent (who was an asshole) tried to detain the father. He made a run for it and got into the Canadian BP’s hands (safe) and the Canadian BP tells our BP guy to get out of Canada.

Refugees can’t cross at border crossings because of the agreement between the US and Canada “First Landing” (if they stepped foot into one country first, that’s where they have to stay unless they go thru the immigration process again), so the go through the woods, get arrested and apply for asylum. Asylum from America.

I was wrong about the location. Here’s an article about the incident. Fucking US douchebag took all their luggage. May he rot in hell for all eternity. ED: I read it wrong.

nydailynews.com

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I cannot.  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:41:36am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Worse. The Mob will send a guy over to rough up someone who owes them, but they won’t blow up the guy’s house and YOURS too, its bad for business, it gets attention from the cops, the newsies and the G-men.

This? You scale the parties up by a couple orders of magnitude, and there isn’t anything to restrain the Russians from being extremely blunt in their demand for payment.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:41:45am

Off-topic, my newspaper didn’t print my letter (I didn’t think they would). I’m guessing it hit the senior editor too close to home.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:42:07am

re: #260 MsJ

I was wrong about the location. Here’s an article about the incident. Fucking US douchebag took all their luggage. May he rot in hell for all eternity.

nydailynews.com

Oops. I read that wrong. The US guy wasn’t a douche.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:42:21am

re: #248 Nyet

I’m not saying it wasn’t Gore. Maybe it was, but I would like to see some harder data than a say-so.

I have to correct myself here. Wendell posted the ad with Pelosi and Gingrich sitting together and speaking on climate change.
I don’t know what Wendell tried to prove with this, but he has actually proven that his point about Al Gore being the catalyst of the denial movement is completely false. Here’s a description of this ad:

This ad is part of the “We Can Solve It” global warming ad campaign sponsored by former Vice President Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection.

So it was in fact Al Gore who brought the two together, which alone refutes Wendell’s thesis.

Moreover, it happened two years after Gore’s famous documentary (which in itself is a summary result of the talks Gore had been giving for years before that). Which again buttresses the fact that Gore had nothing to do with the polarization.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:44:44am

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel

Radioactivities? An amazing number of FB commenters believed in all seriousness that this was a vintage activity book for children.

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Needless (?) to say, it is a recently produced satire.

Here is something that was not satire and was written in all seriousness though, by allegedly serious people too:

tapemark.narod.ru

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:46:10am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Awesome. Really Milo’s such a pathetic loser. He thinks he’s such a rebel but he’s actually a pathetic loser who just wants attention.

Milo’s really just a human version of the shitposting time cat.

ShitPosting Time Cat

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Timothy Watson  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:46:48am

re: #264 Nyet

As I recall, Gingrich was struggling for any type of relevancy at that point. In fact, by 2011, he had completely repudiated the ad:

In 2011, Gingrich said his appearance in the ad was “the dumbest single thing I’ve done”.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:49:06am

re: #267 Timothy Watson

As I recall, Gingrich was struggling for any type of relevancy at that point. In fact, by 2011, he had completely repudiated the ad:

en.wikipedia.org

Sounds right to me.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:51:10am

re: #257 MsJ

ICYMI.

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Maybe I’m blind but I don’t see any hints there.
And, coming from Russia, I can usually read between the lines.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:52:35am

re: #267 Timothy Watson

As I recall, Gingrich was struggling for any type of relevancy at that point. In fact, by 2011, he had completely repudiated the ad:

en.wikipedia.org

Exactly. Someone who is struggling won’t go to such an allegedly demonically polarizing figure for help.

Republicans do make fun of Gore (South Park…), but he had nothing to do with the polarization.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:53:32am

“Threaten to diminish the US”? Oh, Republicans… Who knew you had such a gift for underestatement.

In all seriousness, fuck Republicans.

Top Republican congressional leaders have sought to curtail intra-party anxiety by noting that while much of what Trump says is unusual and troublesome, in practice, he is actually shaping up as a traditional GOP president. Trump’s supporters say he is still ironing out wrinkles as he adapts to being president.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:54:02am

re: #271 MsJ

“Threaten to diminish the US”? Oh, Republicans… Who knew you had such a gift for underestatement.

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In all seriousness, fuck Republicans.

Actually put your name on the quotes, you wusses.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:54:26am

re: #269 Nyet

Maybe I’m blind but I don’t see any hints there.
And, coming from Russia, I can usually read between the lines.

I defer to your knowledge. You know far more than I.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:54:32am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:54:41am

Of course, he hurts our image abroad and we’re going to need another savvy President to fix that when he leaves.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:55:02am

re: #273 MsJ

I defer to your knowledge. You know far more than I.

Ditto.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 5:55:57am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Awesome. Really Milo’s such a pathetic loser. He thinks he’s such a rebel but he’s actually a pathetic loser who just wants attention.

Sounds like the Orange Yam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:01:12am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Awesome. Really Milo’s such a pathetic loser. He thinks he’s such a rebel but he’s actually a pathetic loser who just wants attention.

He is a personality type who takes great delight at outraging people and getting a rise out of them. And he has found a market that allows him to capitalize on that.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:01:41am

re: #273 MsJ

I defer to your knowledge. You know far more than I.

Maybe this was interpreted as a “hint”?

Spicer’s comment on Crimea is at odds with Trump’s campaign pledge to restore relations, Vyacheslav Volodin, speaker of the Russian lower house of parliament, told lawmakers Wednesday, the Interfax news service reported. “Everything will be fine” if the president fulfills his election program, Volodin said.

Of course the “if” clause is Bloomberg’s, not Volodin’s. What Volodin said was:

Не надо эту тему вообще поднимать. Какой-то там пресс-секретарь что-то сказал… Послушайте, еще кто-то что-то скажет. Предвыборную программу надо выполнять, в предвыборной программе было все сказано — урегулирование отношений с Россией, с Китаем, борьба с терроризмом, когда предвыборную программу будут выполнять, будет все нормально

“Don’t bring up this topic. Some press secretary said something… Listen, someone can always say something. The elections platform should be implemented, in the platform it says - normalizing the relations with Russia, with China, war against terrorism - when they begin to implement the elections platform, everything will be fine.”

I.e. he was trying to reassure his listeners that pro-Ukrainian rhetoric might be just that, rhetoric, and the actual actions (hopefully acc. to the elections platform) might be different (and then everything will be fine - for Russia).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:03:36am

re: #279 Nyet

Trump has to make some “tough on Russia” statements to diffuse claims that he is in their pocket.

(sorry, unable to provide any data to back up this assertion)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:04:07am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is a personality type who takes great delight at outraging people and getting a rise out of them. And he has found a market that allows him to capitalize on that.

Which is why mocking him is the best way to deal with him.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:05:00am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump has to make some “tough on Russia” statements to diffuse claims that he is in their pocket.

(sorry, unable to provide any data to back up this assertion)

At least this hypothesis is plausible (unlike the Gore one).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:05:18am

re: #277 wheat-dogg

Sounds like the Orange Yam.

Yeah Trump’s a lot like Milo I imagine will be if he reaches that age. Hopefully Milo will be well into obscurity by the time he is Trump’s age tho.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:07:01am

Ok. The ER docs have finally deemed me worthy of being seen so I’ll leave you now with this:

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:09:08am

Bannon/Trump is up early, spending the night away from DC and hoping the change of scenery diverts attention from the nonstop scandal shit show courtesy of Trump and incompetent band of buffoons (and Bannon).

Putin couldn’t have hoped for a better outcome from his election play.

Pence is over in Europe on the ongoing apology tour trying to clean up Trump’s mess, even though everyone knows no one can while he’s still in office. Pence could “reassure” NATO allies, and just as quickly Trump says something, or does something, that undermines all that.

Trump is at Mar a Lago and hoping that going into 2020 campaign mode will divert attention from the RussiaTrump (my name for the ongoing scandal of Russia compromising the White House at the highest levels). Problem is that this is no way to govern. It isn’t leadership, and the hard work of getting stuff done in government doesn’t work this way.

He’s going to escape scrutiny, but that’s not how any of this should work either.

Trump keeps claiming he inherited a mess. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Obama inherited the mess. Trump inherited a growing economy. Trump created new messes by the day. Flynn is on him. Russia’s infiltration of the White House is on him. Inability to follow the US Constitution is on Trump. Inability to adhere to his oath of office is on Trump.

The GOP’s refusal to hold Trump accountable - that’s on them. That craven bunch of cowards wont act unless GOP voter support drops - and that’s not happening because they’ve bought Trump’s BS. After all, this is the group of voters that believed the Bowling Green Massacre occurred.

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:09:44am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:10:58am

Stopped clock, blind squirrel, etc. —

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:11:30am

re: #282 Nyet

At least this hypothesis is plausible (unlike the Gore one).

I guess the problem I had with Al Gore - even though I generally agree with him on climate change - is that I found it somewhat arrogant of him to think that he could totally distance himself from his political background and declare himself an Elder Statesman and politically neutral and apolitical while advocating a cause, even a noble one.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:14:36am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I guess the problem I had with Al Gore - even though I generally agree with him on climate change - is that I found it somewhat arrogant of him to think that he could totally distance himself from his political background and declare himself an Elder Statesman and politically neutral and apolitical while advocating a cause, even a noble one.

It’s cool as an opinion, but nothing else follows from it (certainly not that Gore was used as a weak, polarizing point by the deniers).

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:17:20am

re: #265 Nyet

Here is something that was not satire and was written in all seriousness though, by allegedly serious people too:

tapemark.narod.ru

Strangely (or no), it reads sort of like what’s going on now (donning CT hat).

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:20:28am

re: #287 Lidane

Stopped clock, blind squirrel, etc. —

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Neither. Maher is right on 80% of issues. The 20% make him unbearable.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:22:09am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I guess the problem I had with Al Gore - even though I generally agree with him on climate change - is that I found it somewhat arrogant of him to think that he could totally distance himself from his political background and declare himself an Elder Statesman and politically neutral and apolitical while advocating a cause, even a noble one.

Lots of politicians have become statesmen for causes after their political careers were over; this is not unique to Al Gore.

Al Gore went up against a climate-denial lobby every bit (or maybe more so) as strong as the tobacco lobby (and the climate change denialists are using the same people as the tobacco companies did).

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:22:35am

re: #290 Anymouse

It doesn’t now, and it didn’t back then, when USSR was still alive. The book is a ridiculous collection of clichees which were blindly, without thought, transferred into the American context.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:24:48am

re: #183 Anymouse

DARVO.

I can’t ask him how Gold Star Families feel about Trump calling VD his personal Vietnam since I’m not on Twitter. I would if I could though.

Don’t get me started.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:28:18am

re: #289 Nyet

It’s cool as an opinion, but nothing else follows from it (certainly not that Gore was used as a weak, polarizing point by the deniers).

That is basically all I was advancing.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:29:21am

re: #294 Joe Bacon

Don’t get me started.

Please proceed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:29:43am

re: #295 Nyet

OK I missed this back in December.

Donald Trump meets with Al Gore on climate change

Can Ivanka Trump and Al Gore unite against climate change?

I just filed that under WTF?!? and paid it no further attention back then.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:31:51am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is basically all I was advancing.

Not true, but I’ll let it slip.

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:38:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:40:58am

re: #300 lawhawk

Not the front-page photo I was expecting the day after Trump calls the media the enemy:

It shows the extent to which they are fucking sick masochists who will let themselves be humiliated and debased just to be allowed to bask in His Presidential Radiance.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:44:32am

T - 18 minutes, SpacEx launch
ustream.tv

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:48:08am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:48:27am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

T - 18 minutes, SpacEx launch
ustream.tv

And, if you would rather have Beardy McDude cool-slpain it to you
T-14

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:52:32am

re: #300 lawhawk

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The word is “normalization”. I knew it before but the article in MsJ’s #209 on the lessons of The Munich Post reminds of how viciously dangerous normalizing him is.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 6:56:49am

(ICYMI, Kyrie Irving said that the world is flat in an interview yesterday.)

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:00:49am

Watching rocket launch … T-1 minute

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:00:51am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:02:00am

Hold, Hold, Hold
Launch Abort

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:04:15am

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

Hold, Hold, Hold
Launch Abort

Second stage thrust vector control system
No rocketry today

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:04:36am

Earliest opportunity to launch now is 9:38 EST tomorrow. Abort caused by questions about the second state thrust vector control.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:04:39am

re: #308 lawhawk

Trump is a 24/7/365 violation of the human race.

The GOP rank-and-file are equally, and inherently, evil in their complicity.

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Donkey With No Name  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:05:54am

re: #299 Nyet

Not true, but I’ll let it slip.

Really don’t know what you’re going for here. Of course it is not true that denial only started after Gore, or that it even increased after Gore - only that Gore was a convenient person to encapsulate the notion of the humorless liberal wanting to take away the American lifestyle (and I lived through enough of the ‘Gore is a hypocrite for having a large house and flying’ nonsense to know this was a real thing).

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:06:04am

re: #308 lawhawk

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:06:20am

re: #312 Myron Falwell

Trump is a 24/7/365 violation of the human race.

The GOP rank-and-file are equally, and inherently, evil in their complicity.

I don’t think of the majority of my village as evil. Misinformed, but not evil.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:08:42am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:08:54am

UR ROCKET IS CANCELLED

Boo.

I had planned to drive down to KSC this morning to at least be close to the launch, but a great local band came to the island last night on short notice and I was out until 3 AM with friends and there was no way I could get up after an hour’s nap and drive four and a half hours… I danced a little close & got friendly with an attractive Greek neighbor of mine last night, so I guess a cancelled launch is the world’s price for me getting a date. Sorry everyone, it’s all on my karma.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:09:27am

re: #315 Anymouse

I don’t think of the majority of my village as evil. Misinformed, but not evil.

I was more referring to the likes of Ryan, McConnell and Chaffetz who deliberately let the law go broken… and the boilerplate MAGAots who are permanently drunk on the poisoned Flavor Aid.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:13:41am

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is so polarizing about Al Gore?

Even when I was a Republican, I never understood it.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:15:14am

re: #318 Myron Falwell

I was more referring to the likes of Ryan, McConnell and Chaffetz who deliberately let the law go broken… and the boilerplate MAGAots who are permanently drunk on the poisoned Flavor Aid.

No one around here wears Trump’s signature hat any more, so I think my town is waking up to the scale of this disaster. (Whether there is anything we can do about it now is another story.) They’re awfully quiet about Trump (haven’t heard a mention of him since about the beginning of the year).

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:16:06am

re: #317 Pawn of the Oppressor

UR ROCKET IS CANCELLED

Boo.

I had planned to drive down to KSC this morning to at least be close to the launch, but a great local band came to the island last night on short notice and I was out until 3 AM with friends and there was no way I could get up after an hour’s nap and drive four and a half hours… I danced a little close & got friendly with an attractive Greek neighbor of mine last night, so I guess a cancelled launch is the world’s price for me getting a date. Sorry everyone, it’s all on my karma.

That better have been a good date.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:16:25am

re: #315 Anymouse

I don’t think of the majority of my village as evil. Misinformed, but not evil.

The problem is like that in small German villages in 1935. Where is the line between going along to get along and active collaboration? Where does being a good [german|american|whatever] become being a willing executioner (see Hitler’s Willing Executioners for more.)

There comes a moment where “misinformed” crosses over into something far worse. Far too many places - whether in Nebraska or northern Wisconsin - that are getting terribly close to that. I’d not think that of the sweet old woman who will be cutting a check from my church to help me pay a bill and yet I know she voted for Trump. We ARE one of the three states that threw the election. How liable will she be when he starts killing people to hold onto power?

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:17:41am

Secret Service fellow give a defence to the Trump handshake (though he doesn’t recommend using it on the President):

The Defense to the Donald Trump Handshake

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wheat-dogg  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:22:04am

re: #323 Anymouse

Secret Service fellow give a defence to the Trump handshake (though he doesn’t recommend using it on the President):

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Video

Trudeau was able to deflect it by bracing against Trump’s opposite shoulder.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:22:17am

And it’s getting late (well, for me :D ) so off to bed I toddle. Night all.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:23:01am
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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:28:22am
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retired cynic  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:31:24am

Ha! My Republican Rep sent out a quick poll, asking what I thought was the biggest threat to world security, Russia, China, ISIS, etc. And other. I checked other and filled in DT. I hope they get a lot of those!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:34:22am

re: #327 Anymouse

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:35:06am

re: #319 Timothy Watson

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is so polarizing about Al Gore?

Even when I was a Republican, I never understood it.

Intellect.

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Donkey With No Name  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:36:55am

re: #319 Timothy Watson

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is so polarizing about Al Gore?

Even when I was a Republican, I never understood it.

Me neither. I assume a minor form of Obama and Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:38:10am

re: #319 Timothy Watson

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is so polarizing about Al Gore?

Even when I was a Republican, I never understood it.

Irrational hatred, tied directly to their irrational hatred of the Clinton administration.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:43:22am

Morning all,

FLW (Fishing League of the World) has a tourny on my home lake and for ya’ll that enjoy that type of thing, Is being broadcast live online.

I’d be out on the water following today but for the fact that I’ve had this Flu all week.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:49:17am

re: #330 Barefoot Grin

Intellect.

But seriously, Obama had the double whammy of brown skin and intellect. Either way, the right hates the feeling that they are being lectured to.

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bratwurst  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:51:55am
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:54:49am

re: #3 Kragar

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:55:27am

Trump touts made in America in front of plane built with international supply chain.

Trump touts made in America all while his clothing lines (and that of Ivanka’s) is made overseas.

Trump businesses repeatedly use foreign materials and avoid using union labor.

Made in America my ass.

His supporters are willingly duping themselves.

Union workers who think Trump stands with them are deluding themselves.

And Trump continues with the lies because they’re still working.

After all, his Bowling Green massacre bullshit is now accepted as real among his core supporters.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 7:59:47am

re: #337 lawhawk

After all, his Bowling Green massacre bullshit is now accepted as real among his core supporters.

I was talking about that to some of my students; to say they were flabbergasted is an understatement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:00:25am

re: #319 Timothy Watson

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is so polarizing about Al Gore?

Even when I was a Republican, I never understood it.

He is an excuse to ignore the arguments about climate change and attack a person “He lives in a 16,000-square-foot house and flies around in a private jet!”.

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(alpuz)  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:00:46am

re: #333 Dave In Austin

Morning all,

FLW (Fishing League of the World) has a tourny on my home lake and for ya’ll that enjoy that type of thing, Is being broadcast live online.

I’d be out on the water following today but for the fact that I’ve had this Flu all week.

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Are the Stiper running? *Sniff* I miss Lake Travis… especially this time of year.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:03:19am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is an excuse to ignore the arguments about climate change and attack a person “He lives in a 16-000 square foot house and flies around in a private jet!”.

Yup, an ad hominen attack to deflect from the substance of his argument.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:03:39am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:04:22am

re: #335 bratwurst

That’s a butt monkey if ever there was one.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:05:44am

I’ve brought this up before, but as they say, “past is prologue”.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:06:09am

re: #340 (alpuz)

Are the Stiper running? *Sniff* I miss Lake Travis… especially this time of year.

Not quite yet. Although they are staging and are catchable right now.

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:11:57am
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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:12:16am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:12:41am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:13:23am
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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:18:37am

re: #313 Donkey With No Name

Really don’t know what you’re going for here.

Reading the whole conversation (again, if necessary) is recommended in this case.

Of course it is not true that denial only started after Gore, or that it even increased after Gore -

Thank you for refuting Wendell’s cause-and-effect claim.

only that Gore was a convenient person to encapsulate the notion of the humorless liberal wanting to take away the American lifestyle (and I lived through enough of the ‘Gore is a hypocrite for having a large house and flying’ nonsense to know this was a real thing).

Which is fine, but is not “basically all” what Wendell “was advancing” (at which point you have jumped in).

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A Cranky One  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:19:38am

Went by a Mexican restaurant Thursday for lunch, only to see it was closed in support of the Day Without Immigrants.

So went back on Friday. When I was served my food, mentioned to the server that I’d been there the day before to find them closed. She looked uncomfortable and started to explain, but I interrupted to say that I saw the reason on the front door sign and returned the following day in support.

She got a surprised look and then smiled in delight.

We need to be vocal in support of those being targeted by the right wing and Hair Twitler. We need to let them know that the so called President doesn’t speak for all Americans.

Oh, and the tacos were first rate. Tacos rule. ;-)

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austin_blue  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:19:55am

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Another lefty who doesn’t seem to understand how free speech actually works.

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Goddamn, Frank. That was very, very well done.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:20:22am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:20:38am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

Insurer CEO: eyeing 40% premium increase as a result of Paul Ryan’s half-baked plan

Heh. Insurers starting to go after Ryan. Shocked, surprised, etc., &c.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:23:51am
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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:24:08am

re: #322 William Lewis

Goldhagen’s thesis was widely panned by actual historians as bunk.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:26:19am

re: #355 Ace-o-aces

Leaked tape reveals Trump invited club guests to “come along” during cabinet interviews

The real scandal here is the low-life leakers in their high-heeled sneakers…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:27:24am

re: #346 lawhawk

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“dictators” ? I checked the Politico article, that’s the quote.

“We’re doing a lot of interviews tomorrow — generals, dictators, we have everything,” Trump told the crowd,

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:28:25am

The “Oracle of Omaha” Warren Buffett just dumped $900Million of Wal*Mart stock.
businessinsider.com

Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway has sold off $900 million of Walmart stock, choosing instead to invest billions in airlines.

The sale, which leaves Buffett with nearly no shares in Walmart, comes as the US’s largest traditional retailer has been rushing to catch up to Amazon and other online competitors.

Amazon’s market value is now $356 billion, compared with Walmart’s $298 billion. Last year, Buffett acknowledged that traditional brick-and-mortar retailers were struggling in the face of competition from the e-commerce giant.

(More at Business Insider)

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Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:29:50am
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:35:12am

re: #341 Anymouse

Yup, an ad hominen attack to deflect from the substance of his argument.

I’m not a fan of Al Gore. It isn’t the science—I’ve known about anthropocentric global warming for 30 years.

It’s Gore’s style.

People like him, and Bill McKibben have framed the environment in almost religious, theistic, framing. Mother Nature is God. Everything God does and everything God is, is beautiful. Why wouldn’t Nature be beautiful? It would be beautiful, except for those forces that get in Nature’s way.

Like us.

Fortunately, the worst that has happened is that Gore and McKibben wrote a lot of bad, preachy and insipid books on the environment. This is forgivable. Go to extremes with this, and you get PETA and Earth First, which are thankfully on the fringes.

That said, I accept the consensus on AGW no less than I accept evolution, full stop.
The real problem for Gore is that the Right considers his failings, such as they are (and they are just his failings) as a dismissal of AGW theory. The Right, as we know, does this for just about everything they don’t like (I.e. everything else in the world!)

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:35:12am

re: #315 Anymouse

I don’t think of the majority of my village as evil. Misinformed, but not evil.

Did the majority of your village vote for Trump?

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:36:42am

re: #359 Anymouse

The “Oracle of Omaha” Warren Buffett just dumped $900Million of Wal*Mart stock.
businessinsider.com

(More at Business Insider)

Buffett Investing in airlines??? But what about his famous quote:

“I have an 800 number now that I call if I get the urge to buy an airline stock. I call at two in the morning and I say: ‘My name is Warren and I’m an aeroholic.’ And then they talk me down.”

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:37:13am
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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:38:36am

re: #362 Nyet

Did the majority of your village vote for Trump?

Everyone but eight people for Clinton, three for Johnson, and two for Stein.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:38:59am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The real scandal here is the low-life leakers in their high-heeled sneakers…

Major upding for that Traffic cite

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:40:29am

re: #365 Anymouse

Everyone but eight people for Clinton, three for Johnson, and two for Stein.

Okay, then can you clear up this for me, please?

1. You have characterized all Trump voters as fascists/neo-Nazis.

2. You have characterized all people unwilling to cut ties with Trump-supporting family members as fascist or neo-Nazi apologists, and accused LGF of the same.

3. Now you’re saying that Trump supporters are not evil.

4. Should it follow then that you don’t find fascists/neo-Nazis to be evil?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:40:42am
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Joe Bacon  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:40:56am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Awesome. Really Milo’s such a pathetic loser. He thinks he’s such a rebel but he’s actually a pathetic loser who just wants attention.

Deep down inside, all Milo wants to be is the Center Square and deliver witty bon mots on The Gay Hollywood Squares.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:41:41am

re: #363 calochortus

Buffett Investing in airlines??? But what about his famous quote:

Mr. Buffett likes railroads as well (apparently he didn’t get over playing with trains as a boy, or he just likes transportation)

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:43:32am

re: #370 Anymouse

True. We should all be able to play with planes and trains like that…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:47:17am

re: #361 Sherlock Hound

I’m not a fan of Al Gore. It isn’t the science—I’ve known about anthropocentric global warming for 30 years.

It’s Gore’s style.

People like him, and Bill McKibben have framed the environment in almost religious, theistic, framing. Mother Nature is God. Everything God does and everything God is, is beautiful. Why wouldn’t Nature be beautiful? It would be beautiful, except for those forces that get in Nature’s way.

Like us.

That frames the point that Sergey was beating me up on much better than I did in my attempts. And I found it rather presumptuous of him that the thought he could shed his political skin and re-brand himself as a politically neutral spokesperson for a cause, even if that cause was a useful and noble one.

And it played right into the hands of people like Rush Limbaugh, insisting that “environmental whackos” just want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with leaves.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:47:53am

re: #367 Nyet

Okay, then can you clear up this for me, please?

1. You have characterized all Trump voters as fascists/neo-Nazis.

2. You have characterized all people unwilling to cut ties with Trump-supporting family members as fascist or neo-Nazi apologists, and accused LGF of the same.

3. Now you’re saying that Trump supporters are not evil.

4. Should it follow then that you don’t find fascists/neo-Nazis to be evil?

I have not characterised all Trump voters as fascists. That comment was in a long string about voters who knew what Trump was and voted for him anyway. I live in a town with only one paper (conservative), one accessible television station (FOX) and hate/Christian radio, and a county without Internet service. Propaganda is a powerful drug.

Family members who know what Trump is and still vote for him are fascist supporters or neo-Nazi apologists. As for my cousin who voted Green/Libertarian in Michigan, I am no longer speaking with her: She knew the price and still voted “magic balance fairy.”

Therefore arguments three and four do not follow, as I maintain misinformed Trump supporters are not evil, just misinformed, and fascists/neo-Nazis are evil.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:48:16am

re: #366 William Lewis

Major upding for that Traffic cite

actually, I was referring to this song from Tommy Tucker

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Birth Control Works  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:48:56am
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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:51:45am

re: #367 Nyet

Okay, then can you clear up this for me, please?

1. You have characterized all Trump voters as fascists/neo-Nazis.

2. You have characterized all people unwilling to cut ties with Trump-supporting family members as fascist or neo-Nazi apologists, and accused LGF of the same.

3. Now you’re saying that Trump supporters are not evil.

4. Should it follow then that you don’t find fascists/neo-Nazis to be evil?

Sorry dude but this is what is - if they voted for trump they voted for nazi-ism. A huge chunk don’t realize that they did so but reality remains reality.

Doesn’t fit they way you want the discussion framed - sorry! - but it’s still reality that they have given their acceptance to the evil done in their name, just like all the “Good Germans”. Now. you’ve managed to twist a lot of shit around so that it sounds good to you and make him look like shit who doesn’t get what you want him to get, but hey, I’ll let that pass. All I want is for people to work in Resistance to Trump. The rest is small potatoes.

Reality: We need all Americans on one page without the Bolshevik/Menshevik error. Anything against that needs to be opposed.

We all need to be sand in the gears for the next four years.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:53:28am

This is fine

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Birth Control Works  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:53:37am

Mr. President: ‘Just who the hell do you think you are?’

I know, too, that you’re accustomed to being emperor of your own fiefdom. Must be nice. Your name on the wall, the paychecks, the side of the building. You tell people to make something happen, and it does. You yell at a problem, and it goes away. Nobody talks back. I can see how it would be hard to give that up.

But you did. You see, you’re no longer an emperor, Mr. So-Called President. You’re now what is called a “public servant” — in effect, an employee with 324 million bosses. And let me tell you something about those bosses. They’re unruly and loud, long accustomed to speaking their minds without fear or fetter. And they believe power must always answer to the people. That’s at the core of their identity.

Yet you and your coterie of cartoon autocrats think you’re going to cow them into silence and compliance by ordering them to shut up and obey? Well, as a freeborn American, I can answer that in two syllables flat.

Read more here: miamiherald.com

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stpaulbear  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:54:54am

re: #291 Nyet

Neither. Maher is right on 80% of issues. The 20% make him unbearable.

That, plus his smug, know-it-all, dig-my-humor presentation make him 100% annoying.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:55:47am

re: #373 Anymouse

I have not characterised all Trump voters as fascists. That comment was in a long string about voters who knew what Trump was and voted for him anyway.

That’s verbal tap-dancing, as there were barely any Trump voters who were not informed about his rhetoric (which was a plus for the conservative press, so you can’t even say that it wasn’t reported on in the conservative press).

In any case, you also wrote:

There is no one in my town now that will vote for Mr. Trump (at least as has publicly told me), because I called out his fascism for what it was. The people in my town are not related to me; they are almost all conservative Republicans, almost all of them are Christians, but they listened to the liberal atheist Clinton supporter telling them it did not matter what they thought of Mr. Trump, he is a fascist.

IOW you have informed them but they still voted for Trump which makes them fascist apologists according to your own logic. Yet you still don’t think they’re evil.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:56:23am
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(alpuz)  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:56:32am

re: #379 stpaulbear

Quick OT question: do you remember The Baby Astronauts out of St Paul in the ’80s?

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:58:14am

re: #376 William Lewis

Sorry dude but this is what is - if they voted for trump they voted for nazi-ism. A huge chunk don’t realize that they did so but reality remains reality.

It doesn’t matter for the purposes of my comment. That may be true or not true, but the contradiction between Anymouse’s statements remains unsolved.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:59:10am

re: #376 William Lewis

Sorry dude but this is what is - if they voted for trump they voted for nazi-ism. A huge chunk don’t realize that they did so but reality remains reality.

Doesn’t fit they way you want the discussion framed - sorry! - but it’s still reality that they have given their acceptance to the evil done in their name, just like all the “Good Germans”. Now. you’ve managed to twist a lot of shit around so that it sounds good to you and make him look like shit who doesn’t get what you want him to get, but hey, I’ll let that pass. All I want is for people to work in Resistance to Trump. The rest is small potatoes.

Reality: We need all Americans on one page without the Bolshevik/Menshevik error. Anything against that needs to be opposed.

We all need to be sand in the gears for the next four years.

I agree with sand in the gears.

In the meantime, my local newspaper is still tooting the Trump horn (though the op-ed from the senior editor yesterday expressed concern about his characterisation of the press).

No articles about the Nazi-esqe rallies. None of his fascistic BS was reported here, just “make America great again” and how that might happen.

We do not have the Munich Post here calling out fascism: our entire media here trumpets all of Trump’s great stuff and ignores all the disturbing things about him.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:00:22am

re: #382 (alpuz)

Quick OT question: do you remember The Baby Astronauts out of St Paul in the ’80s?

Actually, given what my music program just pulled up (Freeway Picnic Party!) do you remember the Urban Guerrillas? They were my favs once upon a very long time ago…

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:01:38am

re: #380 Nyet

That’s verbal tap-dancing, as there were barely any Trump voters who were not informed about his rhetoric (which was a plus for the conservative press, so you can’t even say that it wasn’t reported on in the conservative press).

In any case, you also wrote:

IOW you have informed but they still voted for Trump which makes them fascist apologists according to your own logic. Yet you still don’t think they’re evil.

Yup I did write that. Apparently what I was told and what happened were different things (much like predictions of the election in general). One little village trustee cannot overcome the bullshit mountain of our captive media and things like lack-of-access to Internet service, coupled with years of lying from FOX News Channel.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:03:09am

re: #386 Anymouse

Yup I did write that. Apparently what I was told and what happened were different things (much like predictions of the election in general). One little village trustee cannot overcome the bullshit mountain of our captive media and things like lack-of-access to Internet service, coupled with years of lying from FOX News Channel.

Cool that you acknowledge this, but the main question remains.

You have characterized most of your fellow villagers as both fascist apologists and not evil. How is this possible?

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(alpuz)  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:04:23am

re: #385 William Lewis

Actually, given what my music program just pulled up (Freeway Picnic Party!) do you remember the Urban Guerrillas? They were my favs once upon a very long time ago…

Yup… what was the name of their album. Shimmy shimmy ko ko bop? Or was that just the song. I loved that album.

Edit: it was Darwin’s Theory Of Pelvic Revolution.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:04:31am

re: #383 Nyet

It doesn’t matter for the purposes of my comment. That may be true or not true, but the contradiction between Anymouse’s statements remains unsolved.

I am presuming that there is a difference, culturally, between you and us (Russia & America in a non governmental sense) about how to look at this then. Frankly this seems almost Nyekulturni (my system gets fubared on crylic, alas. ) but hey, what do I know?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:05:02am

OK, now we know there is likely a few cinders burning, making that smoke…

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Birth Control Works  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:05:16am

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Donkey With No Name  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:05:19am

re: #387 Nyet

You have characterized most of your fellow villagers as both fascist apologists and not evil. How is this possible?

Nobody expects the LGF Inquisition?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:06:14am

re: #387 Nyet

Cool that you acknowledge this, but the main question remains.

You have characterized most of your fellow villagers as both fascist apologists and not evil. How is this possible?

This quote from Blazing Saddles sums it up best.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:06:23am

Oh, FFS

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Timothy Watson  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:06:25am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That frames the point that Sergey was beating me up on much better than I did in my attempts. And I found it rather presumptuous of him that the thought he could shed his political skin and re-brand himself as a politically neutral spokesperson for a cause, even if that cause was a useful and noble one.

And it played right into the hands of people like Rush Limbaugh, insisting that “environmental whackos” just want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with leaves.

But it was okay for George H.W. Bush to do fundraising for the Katrina and tsunami victims? Or George W. Bush to do fundraising for veterans causes?

Conservatives also hate Jimmy Carter for building houses for poor people. Is that also justified?

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:06:26am
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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:06:38am

OT: Hulu’s making a Stephen King monster-mash series, and I’m actually wishing I had Hulu again…

CASTLE ROCK - Teaser

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:07:35am

re: #389 William Lewis

I assure you that formal logic is same in Russia and the US.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:08:27am

re: #398 Nyet

I assure you that formal logic is same in Russia and the US.

That is one thing I have never doubted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:08:44am

re: #395 Timothy Watson

But it was okay for George H.W. Bush to do fundraising for the Katrina and tsunami victims? Or George W. Bush to do fundraising for veterans causes?

Conservatives also hate Jimmy Carter for building houses for poor people. Is that also justified?

There is nothing wrong with raising money for people in need. That is a bit different than promoting a cause.

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:09:16am

re: #387 Nyet

Cool that you acknowledge this, but the main question remains.

You have characterized most of your fellow villagers as both fascist apologists and not evil. How is this possible?

I did not.

Apparently you did not read what I wrote up there.

As for “the conservative media” reporting on Trump’s antics, you haven’t read my regional newspaper. Nada. Zip. They endorsed him out of the gate and said nothing about his antics. My local paper doesn’t report on politics at all, other than to publish the meeting minutes of the county board, the two cities, and my village.

And FOX (our local television station)? Well, with Sean Hannity plumping for him, the Christian radio stations all tying themselves into pretzels to show why he’s good for Christians, &c, there was virtually no voice against him. None.

Not sure where you live: Probably a place where there are a multitude of differing media outlets, television service, available Internet service, &c.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:09:31am

re: #398 Nyet

I assure you that formal logic is same in Russia and the US.

so is nitpicking

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:09:31am

re: #399 William Lewis

Cool, because other factors are really irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:09:34am

Hey guys. Checking in. Had a good first day getting petitions for Perriello. Now I’m sitting down for a nice Peruvian lunch. Beautiful day here.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:10:09am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so is nitpicking

So is exaggerating, shooting from the hip, simplifying and generalizing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:10:51am

re: #405 Nyet

So is exaggerating, shooting from the hip, simplifying and generalizing.

and that’s what nitpickers are there to call us us out on…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:10:52am
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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:12:30am

re: #397 scottslemmons

OT: Hulu’s making a Stephen King monster-mash series, and I’m actually wishing I had Hulu again…

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Video

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS I NEED IT RIGHT NOW!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:13:04am

re: #377 Myron Falwell

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Anymouse  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:13:04am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This quote from Blazing Saddles sums it up best.

Ah, yes, the “morons” quote. Always good to shut down questions.

Can’t answer the captive media here, call everyone morons for not having choices.

I’m out … give me a few days … I’ll be back later. G’night.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:13:40am

re: #403 Nyet

Cool, because other factors are really irrelevant.

Ah, such a nice riposte. I’ll have to … think about an answer…

Oh, heck, I’ll just laugh instead.

I appreciate your work. Doesn’t mean I worship you, son. Please bear that in mind.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:13:55am
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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:14:56am

re: #412 Birth Control Works

With open arms, Mounties help refugees who walked across the Canadian border

More christian than 99.99% of those of us who claim we are christian.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:15:41am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart

Quintupling down.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:17:23am

bbl

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:17:55am
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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:18:04am

re: #401 Anymouse

Dude, you wrote that you have informed all your fellow villagers. That makes them not uninformed and thus fitting your own definition of fascist apologists. You’re trying to wiggle out of the implications of what you yourself wrote.

Everybody reported on his comments we found to be fascistoid, including Fox News. It’s not a matter of being uninformed about the basic soundbites. The only difference is that the majority of American conservatives liked what they heard.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:19:32am

re: #411 William Lewis

I’m not sure how you expect me to reply to pure incoherence.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:21:01am
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petesh  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:22:19am

re: #416 JordanRules

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Rick Santorum?! You guys have a well-developed sense of the absurd. Also, your brother is a mensch.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:23:22am

re: #377 Myron Falwell

This is fine

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:24:12am

re: #418 Nyet

I’m not sure how you expect me to reply to pure incoherence.

That’s ok, I don’t expect you to.

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:25:26am

re: #408 Nyet

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS I NEED IT RIGHT NOW!

I KNOOOOOW

I keep rewatching it, trying to read more of the names in the background. There are so many. I know it’s essentially a gimmick program — a Stephen King shared universe, like the Marvel Universe — but still, holy crap, Pennywise the Dancing Clown, Annie Wilkes, Kurt Barlowe, and who the hell knows what else…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:25:33am

re: #417 Nyet

Everybody reported on his comments we found to be fascistoid, including Fox News. It’s not a matter of being uninformed about the basic soundbites. The only difference is that the majority of American conservatives liked what they heard.

You are applying logical precepts to a group of people who have long since abandoned logic in daily life: they liked DT’s fascistoid statements while somehow convincing themselves those were only bargaining positions that he would never really implement, they just liked the fact that a politician dared say them out loud, and went out and voted for him out of a hatred for politicians and “politics as usual”.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:27:04am

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:27:07am

re: #420 petesh

Sorry, that’s not me just a tweet I found from someones timeline I check out.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:27:35am

re: #422 William Lewis

That’s ok, I don’t expect you to.

Should have spared us this whole conversation then.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:27:49am

re: #424 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Assuming that we manage to survive this fuckery, the psychological studies surrounding this election and the voters therein will take decades to sort out.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:27:50am

re: #412 Birth Control Works

With open arms, Mounties help refugees who walked across the Canadian border

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Joe Bacon  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:28:08am

re: #297 Anymouse

Please proceed.

Anymouse, the temptation is there. BELIEVE ME it is there. But I won’t waste my time with it because I know that Karma is not only going to bite Trump in the ass, it’s going to kick him in the nuts as well. Right now we are seeing that Trump is nothing more than the biggest Alka-Seltzer tablet ever made and he’s slowly plop-plopping and fizz-fizzing.

The RepubliKKKlans in Congress are too chicken to lift a finger to stop President Pee Pee because they are afraid of the base of the Party. They have realized too late that the brainwashing of 45% of the American People by their 24/7 Bullshit Machine has gone too far. The Republican Base will not tolerate any RepubliKKKlan Congressman or Senator who disagrees with Gawd’s Anointed King. The Base will go after any dissident Republican the same way the mob chased the Frankenstein Monster with pitchforks and torches. Anyone who bucks the Party Line will be purged.

I always believed that Reagan’s Alzheimer’s Disease was karmic payback for the way he fucked the poor and middle classes in America. Karma also hit Old Fart Bush knowing that his son was a total failure as President. Dumbya knows he cannot leave the US without facing possible arrest and a trial before the World Court.

This time the Karmic payback is going to be bigger on the RepubliKKKlan Party. I believe that Anymouse has hit the nail on the head when he points out that the potential big winner from the self destruction of the RepubliKKKlan Party will be the Libertarians. It’s quite conceivable if they really are dumb enough to kill Obamacare, gut Medicare and Social Security that they will face a backlash so severe that they will face a tidal wave in 2018 that sweeps them out of the House.

As for me, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that the RepubliKKKlans are going to steal my pension and health insurance. Because of the Hatch Act, my hands are tied and I am silenced from political activity. But I am not going to shut up about the contempt I have for the fucking RepubliKKKlans. Ever.

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petesh  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:28:49am

re: #426 JordanRules

Sorry, that’s not me just a tweet I found from someones timeline I check out.

Well, thanks for passing it on! Gave me a good chuckle.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:28:52am

re: #427 Nyet

Should have spared us this whole conversation then.

Oh but then you’d never know how much humor we get from you.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:29:11am

re: #424 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You are applying logical precepts to a group of people who have long since abandoned logic in daily life: they liked DT’s fascistoid statements while somehow convincing themselves those were only bargaining positions that he would never really implement, they just liked the fact that a politician dared say them out loud, and went out and voted for him out of a hatred for politicians and “politics as usual”.

For the purposes of this conversation the only relevant thing is that they were *informed* about it. Their inner feelings are neither here, nor there. A fascist apologist need not be a fascist themselves.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:31:08am

re: #429 FormerDirtDart

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Yes, Mr. Dale, with sane laws (letting the off on their own recognizance within 24 hours for example) and a sane government behind them. I should rather be arrested in Canada than ticketed in Wisconsin… :O

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:31:10am

re: #432 William Lewis

Oh but then you’d never know how much humor we get from you.

You seem to be pissed about something for no discernible reason at all. Oh well, it’s not my problem.

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petesh  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:32:23am

re: #429 FormerDirtDart

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Dale’s next tweet softens this one

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:33:12am

re: #435 Nyet

You seem to be pissed about something for no discernible reason at all. Oh well, it’s not my problem.

Nope just your cause for being as twittish as usual. But expecting you to get that would be like expecting Trump to realize his fascism. Good night son.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:34:59am

re: #429 FormerDirtDart

re: #436 petesh

The visual of people fleeing from the United States is damning enough.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:35:01am

re: #437 William Lewis

Nope just your cause for being as twittish as usual. But expecting you to get that would be like expecting Trump to realize his fascism. Good night son.

Now you’re just being an asshole. *shrug*

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retired cynic  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:36:04am

re: #394 FormerDirtDart

Oh, FFS

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Why not a cake?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:36:53am

re: #438 Myron Falwell

The visual of people fleeing from the United States is damning enough.

It’s sad. Not my America, not the one that my family came to with little to their name. Thanks Trump.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:39:02am

Are ratings a thing for premium cable channels? Or is there some other metric we should consider that Maher might use to decide if this was a good idea?

He’s a jackass, I know he doesn’t really give a damn but now I’m curious about the dynamic of premium cable channels in this hyper political environment.

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stpaulbear  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:41:12am

re: #382 (alpuz)

Quick OT question: do you remember The Baby Astronauts out of St Paul in the ’80s?

I remember hearing the name but I don’t know anything about them.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:41:51am

re: #439 Nyet

Now you’re just being an asshole. *shrug*

Returning the favor. You bring a lot here, you are often a great source of info. Often a unique insight.

That said?

You are not God. I already know him.

Get over yourself, K? Thx, Bye!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:42:27am

re: #442 JordanRules

Are ratings a thing for premium cable channels? Or is there some other metric we should consider that Maher might use to decide if this was a good idea?

He’s a jackass, I know he doesn’t really give a damn but now I’m curious about the dynamic of premium cable channels in this hyper political environment.

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The best thing Maher is have other people on who do. Not a big fan of his due to Muslim hate and anti vaxx crap.

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:42:30am

Don’t show jeffreyw:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:43:25am

re: #446 wrenchwench

Don’t show jeffreyw:

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Gee thanks WW, I just had lunch. A particularity hearty one at that.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:45:32am

re: #446 wrenchwench

Next time Christie, next time you WILL have the spaghetti loaf.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:45:48am

re: #442 JordanRules

Someone once (I think in the 1980s) described the effect of David Duke appearing on TV or radio. With a large enough audience (say 10M) it doesn’t matter to him if 99.9% of them laugh at him. It’s that 0.1% of new followers that will keep him alive for a few years more that matter to him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:47:39am

re: #449 Nyet

Someone once (I think in the 1980s) described the effect of David Duke appearing on TV or radio. With a large enough audience (say 10M) it doesn’t matter to him if 99.9% of them laugh at him. It’s that 0.1% of new followers that will keep him alive for a few years more that matter to him.

I reckon in 15-20 years, we’ll see someone who said Milo inspired them just like CCJ recalls listening to Limbaugh with his grandma.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:47:56am

re: #444 William Lewis

Returning the favor. You bring a lot here, you are often a great source of info. Often a unique insight.

That said?

You are not God. I already know him.

Get over yourself, K? Thx, Bye!

You’ve said “bye” three times now. Should have left at the first one. Whatever it is you are going through now, I’m of no help, sorry, find somebody else.

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:48:11am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

Gee thanks WW, I just had lunch. A particularity hearty one at that.

I had a breakfast, the inadequacy of which defies description, and am about to try the mystery loaf that Mr. w got from Candy at the flea market this morning. She usually waits ‘til her chickens start to lay, but she has to start a new flock this year because the last one was soup all winter. Good to see her and her wonderful loaves again, even if the eggs therein are store-boughten.

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(alpuz)  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:48:41am

re: #443 stpaulbear

Three piece outta your neck of the woods. I saw them for the fist time in a small club in Eau Claire. I can honestly say it was the first live show(all ages) where a band totally blew me away. Still to this day, one of the best live bands I’ve seen.

Baby Astronauts-Into/I Hate This Song

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:49:23am

re: #429 FormerDirtDart

These photos are going global-viral without people understanding the Mounties are (politely) arresting the refugees.

The law requires that they be arrested, but common humanity dictates that they be treated decently. That is another major point here.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:51:24am

re: #449 Nyet

Uggh. In the current state were in, I think you get that .1% of newbies, but I also think you give cover to the ahem “misinformed” or predisposed and the fence sitters who expect a Nazi to be on TV in a uniform throwing around spittle powered invective. ‘If he was really all that bad he wouldn’t even be on there with the blacks’ and so on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:51:28am

re: #433 Nyet

For the purposes of this conversation the only relevant thing is that they were *informed* about it. Their inner feelings are neither here, nor there. A fascist apologist need not be a fascist themselves.

I appreciate your consistent application of logic in dissecting and sometimes even refuting my arguments. But some people are beyond logical analysis, we can only try to figure out logically how to limit the damage they can inflict on themselves and others.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:53:03am

re: #204 Nyet

Now that the sex-predator-in-chief has declared the media “the enemy of the people” those liberals who were constantly bitching about “the media” are in an interesting position.

Not really. Seeing the media as being lax and shirking their responsibilities to dig deeper for facts and not gloss over those facts so they don’t piss off customers and lose profits is what I believe most liberals were and still are complaining about.

Calling the media an enemy is an entirely different degree of blame. That is saying they they will purposely state the facts wrong to bring down a person or government.

I guess it is like saying one is weak and fearful and the other is powerful and dangerous.

Should the media ever choose or not choose sides or decide if something is going to hurt their business or not? Should facts be glossed over so as to not hurt popularity? I think that is more the discussion for liberals and how the Orange King was handled.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:53:23am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I were talking to *those* people, logic would indeed be irrelevant. That said, I’m trying to have a conversation at LGF, where it is still in force ;)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:54:44am

re: #452 wrenchwench

I had a breakfast, the inadequacy of which defies description, and am about to try the mystery loaf that Mr. w got from Candy at the flea market this morning. She usually waits ‘til her chickens start to lay, but she has to start a new flock this year because the last one was soup all winter. Good to see her and her wonderful loaves again, even if the eggs therein are store-boughten.

I had breakfast burritos, then did a couple hours of campaign work, and got a Peruvian lunch. Stuffed. Great Lomo Saltado though.

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:56:33am

re: #458 Nyet

If I were talking to *those* people, logic would indeed be irrelevant. That said, I’m trying to have a conversation at LGF, where it is still in force ;)

You try so hard.

:)

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:57:48am

re: #457 ObserverArt

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen lots of comment about how “the media” will purposely do this or that, e.g. “now they will normalize [the next bad thing Trump has done]”. Which is nonsense. There is criticism, then there’s bitching.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:57:56am

OK, researchers of LGF.

Possible?

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 9:59:13am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

I had breakfast burritos, then did a couple hours of campaign work, and got a Peruvian lunch. Stuffed. Great Lomo Saltado though.

I’ll translate that as ‘salted hill’, rather than ‘hill of salt’. What was it a hill of?

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:00:43am

re: #446 wrenchwench

Don’t show jeffreyw:

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Egg roll wrap lasagna

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:01:13am

re: #463 wrenchwench

I’ll translate that as ‘salted hill’, rather than ‘hill of salt’. What was it a hill of?

Lomo Saltado is steak, French fries, fried onions, rice, and tomatoes. Heavily influenced by Asian immigrants to Peru. It’s my favorite Peruvian dish. I imagine it’s a great hangover food.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:03:05am

This Bannon looks like David Irving.

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:05:10am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

Lomo Saltado is steak, French fries, fried onions, rice, and tomatoes. Heavily influenced by Asian immigrants to Peru. It’s my favorite Peruvian dish. I imagine it’s a great hangover food.

The ‘mystery loaf’ is a melt-in-your-mouth fluffy sweet and buttery thing. Too small, as such things always are.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:05:31am

Someone said possible hoax

then

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:06:36am

Live opera from the Met, now:

metopera.org

On your local public radio station.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:10:23am
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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:11:21am

re: #335 bratwurst

Isn’t bragging about 35 years in the business a form of self flattery and self congratulations?

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:12:27am

re: #470 Myron Falwell

Yup. This.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:12:30am

re: #470 Myron Falwell

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Never been my hero. Again fuck Milo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:14:57am

Maher is a douche too.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:16:12am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:17:00am

re: #468 Stanley Sea

Someone said possible hoax

then

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According to Wiki:

It (Iodine 131) also plays a major role as a radioactive isotope present in nuclear fission products, and was a significant contributor to the health hazards from open-air atomic bomb testing in the 1950s, and from the Chernobyl disaster, as well as being a large fraction of the contamination hazard in the first weeks in the Fukushima nuclear crisis.

I personally can’t imagine the Russians would do an atmospheric nuke test. Is there a nuclear facility in that area of Russia?

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:18:24am

re: #476 Dr Lizardo

If it is indeed a new contamination, then I wonder about a possible disaster on a nuclear powered sub. But I thought there were few of those to begin with.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:20:03am

Good read on the Arizona Republic columnist, Don Bolles, who was murdered via car bomb in 1976.

Link

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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:21:02am

Sergey, I recently found my old copy of The Willing Executioners and was wondering if you maybe had a link to an accurate debunking of the thesis as I would like to reread it with a refreshed context.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:23:51am

re: #477 freetoken

If it is indeed a new contamination, then I wonder about a possible disaster on a nuclear powered sub. But I thought there were few of those to begin with.

Yeah. Is there a Russian Navy sub base up around there? Interestingly, there was a detection of I 131 back in October of last year as well. I don’t know if they ever found the source.

The Finnish Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority STUK has begun efforts to trace the origin of small quantities of radioactive iodine detected across the country. STUK said that within a one-week period, sensors picked up traces of I-131 in Rovaniemi, Helsinki and Loviisa, but the source of the radioactive substance is still unknown.

The radiation and nuclear safety watchdog STUK has said that its monitoring stations have detected small quantities of radioactive iodine in the atmosphere in Finland. STUK said that in the quantities recorded, the substance would have no effect on human health, but noted that the readings were above normal levels.

The safety authority said that the origin of the radioactive iodine was not known and that the substance was detected in Rovaniemi, Helsinki, and Loviisa between October 19 and 25.

Officials in neighbouring Estonia also reported small amounts of radioactive iodine in air samples in the capital Tallinn and in Narva, near the Russian border in eastern Estonia. STUK and its corresponding organisation in neighbouring countries are investigating the source of the iodine.

“That we don’t know. Neither do we know if we will ever even find out,” said STUK director Tarja K. Ikäheimonen.

Radioactive iodine is typically associated with nuclear energy, medical diagnostics and treatment and natural gas production. It was released following Russia’s Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986 and accounted for a large degree of contamination hazard in the early weeks after Japan’s earthquake-triggered Fukushima nuclear reactor meltdown in 2011.

yle.fi

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retired cynic  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:24:52am

re: #458 Nyet

If I were talking to *those* people, logic would indeed be irrelevant. That said, I’m trying to have a conversation at LGF, where it is still in force ;)

You seem to be a wonderful researcher, with a lot to offer any conversation. Believe me, I do not want to start a war of words with you, but there are ways of disagreeing with people on a friendly blog that do not sound holier than thou, “you are wrong and not using logic correctly, but I know better”. I don’t like to touch these conversations, they are not why I come to this blog, and when they come down to insults I leave the blog because they make me uncomfortable. I can’t believe I am the only one here that feels that way. That is my opinion, and I am not looking for a response.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:28:09am

re: #480 Dr Lizardo

Is there a Russian Navy sub base up around there?

Way up north, at the very end of Norway, there is a small community that, rumour would have it, gets visits from NATO naval personnel to watch the Russian vessels go by…

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:28:51am

re: #427 Nyet

Should have spared us this whole conversation then.

“Us?”

You speak for the whole of LGF?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:29:16am
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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:29:22am

Now that winter is turning into spring, I see the winter WH has morphed into the southern WH. I guess this means he plans to spend more than winters down there.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:30:09am

re: #475 Nyet

Tonya is a good friend of mine (a combination of First Nation/Latina and is transgender) so she has a different perspective and highly sensitive to these things.

My tweet actually was defending Charles and the others I know on here who never liked him and/or were never going to watch. And it won’t really make a sizable impact in ratings, as I’m sure an equally significant amount were tuning in for the impending train wreck.

And honestly, regardless of what Larry Wilmore said to Milo, I would never watch it.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:30:12am

As we are now Wrestling-nation, and Maddow did a show on this subject last night, in light of George Steele’s passing a day ago, we should also note the passing of another famous star from the 1970’s:

IVAN KOLOFF PASSES AWAY AT 74 YEARS OLD

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:32:21am

re: #479 Amory Blaine

Sergey, I recently found my old copy of The Willing Executioners and was wondering if you maybe had a link to an accurate debunking of the thesis as I would like to reread it with a refreshed context.

See e.g. Bettina Ruth Birn’s “Revising the Holocaust” in The Historical Journal, 1997, vol. 40, issue 1, pp. 195-215. Birn was a Chief Historian at War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Section, Department of Justice, Canada.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:33:40am

re: #486 Myron Falwell

Tonya is a good friend of mine (a combination of First Nation/Latina and is transgender) so she has a different perspective and highly sensitive to these things.

My tweet actually was defending Charles and the others I know on here who never liked him and/or were never going to watch. And it won’t really make a sizable impact in ratings, as I’m sure an equally significant amount were tuning in for the impending train wreck.

And honestly, regardless of what Larry Wilmore said to Milo, I would never watch it.

I understand. I just hope she understands Maher isn’t a hero to many of us.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:34:12am

re: #486 Myron Falwell

Many liberals are aware of Maher’s anti-Muslim and anti-vaxx pronouncements. I know I’ve been reading about them for years on liberal resources. While for some Maher is a guilty pleasure, it’s wrong to characterize him as a hero to the liberals.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:35:26am

re: #483 ObserverArt

“Us?”

You speak for the whole of LGF?

No, the two of us.

Why?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:35:45am

Maher always gave me the smug vibe. The I’m smarter than you one.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:35:52am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

I understand. I just hope she understands Maher isn’t a hero to many of us.

I hope so, too. I’ll private message her later. 😕

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:37:07am

re: #493 Myron Falwell

I hope so, too. I’ll private message her later. 😕

Yeah please do. I mean I admit sometimes I think he’s right but he has a smugness I really dislike and I know I’m not alone there.

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:37:43am

They’ve renamed ‘Presidents’ Day’:

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:38:23am

re: #481 retired cynic

You seem to be a wonderful researcher, with a lot to offer any conversation. Believe me, I do not want to start a war of words with you, but there are ways of disagreeing with people on a friendly blog that do not sound holier than thou, “you are wrong and not using logic correctly, but I know better”.

There are people with whom I would have chosen a different tone. There’s a certain amount of history here.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:39:07am
And Now, a Stunning Animated Version of Hieronymous Bosch’s “Garden of Earthly Delights”

I’m liking this without watching the video, because I know it’ll be awesome.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:40:37am

re: #488 Nyet

See e.g. Bettina Ruth Birn’s “Revising the Holocaust” in The Historical Journal, 1997, vol. 40, issue 1, pp. 195-215. Birn was a Chief Historian at War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Section, Department of Justice, Canada.

PS: I can’t give a link, but there are ways to get those kinds of articles for free…

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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:40:47am

re: #488 Nyet

Thank you, found it.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:42:37am

re: #461 Nyet

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen lots of comment about how “the media” will purposely do this or that, e.g. “now they will normalize [the next bad thing Trump has done]”. Which is nonsense. There is criticism, then there’s bitching.

Nyet, I understand you, but I don’t think you do much to understand others.

You seem to want everything commented on here at LGF to be a scholarly comment complete with footnotes of data backing the claims. And that is fine. It is good to have someone like you and others to educate.

But other members of this forum are not always interested in being scholarly.

Some just want to banter, some want to just express frustrations, some just want to say hello and to see what others think.

Those people sometimes find a comment from someone like you interesting and may respond back in way that doesn’t meet your level of understanding and conversation. They don’t want to be taken down because they are not on your level.

If this was a college it would be one thing. It is not. I understand your intensity, but please understand others may not be that intense. When you attack you shut them down and that really doesn’t help you teach and them learn.

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bratwurst  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:43:03am

I am very much against Maher giving Milo a TV platform. I find his stance on a number of topics from vaccinations to Islam to be abhorrent.

Having said that, could it be possible for me to watch his show without him being my “hero”? He has a LOT of guest I very much do enjoy hearing from, many of whom do not get enough media exposure.

I tune into Limbaugh in the car a few times per week. He is certainly no “hero” for me, I just like to get an idea what mouth breathers are emailing each other on any given day.

Frankly, I feel like there are a LOT bigger issues in the country and the world than the entertainment business. I will literally puke if I have to read another “think piece” about the role Saturday Night Live is playing in the new administration.

The fact is Maher, Limbaugh and Saturday Night Live are all in the entertainment business.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:43:37am

re: #470 Myron Falwell

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Jesus Fucking Christ. Shorter Bill Maher: “I think transgender men IDing as women are potential sexual predators at heart. Just like I think all Muslims have a terrorist gene.”

I really hope this finally puts to rest the whole notion Maher is a liberal.

He is a contrarian, pure and simple. He’ll pick a side and stick with it just long enough to say something really fucking stupid, just to delude himself that he’s an “independent” thinker.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:44:28am

re: #501 bratwurst

I am very much against Maher giving Milo a TV platform. I find his stance on a number of topics from vaccinations to Islam to be abhorrent.

Having said that, could it be possible for me to watch his show without him being my “hero”? He has a LOT of guest I very much do enjoy hearing from, many of whom do not get enough media exposure.

I tune into Limbaugh in the car a few times per week. He is certainly no “hero” for me, I just like to get an idea what mouth breathers are emailing each other on any given day.

Frankly, I feel like there are a LOT bigger issues in the country and the world than the entertainment business. I will literally puke if I have to read another “think piece” about the role Saturday Night Live is playing in the new administration.

The fact is Maher, Limbaugh and Saturday Night Live are all in the entertainment business.

LOL, I was writing my previous statement as you posted yours. Wasn’t meant as a response.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:44:29am

re: #500 ObserverArt

I’m expressing my opinion just as they express theirs.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:46:31am

re: #491 Nyet

No, the two of us.

Why?

We are all reading.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:47:43am

Before it became trendy for Maher to parade around his Islamophobe flag, he was a major misogynist and enabler of really fucked up power dynamics.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:48:19am

re: #505 ObserverArt

We are all reading.

My condolences. ;)

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:50:20am

re: #501 bratwurst

My actual response to your post is that it stops being entertainment when a host and his guest use a nationwide forum to basically say all transgender men are sex criminals at heart.

This is no fucking different than Trump saying all Mexicans are rapists. In some ways, Maher is worse. I hate to Godwin here, but I could see Maher having Hitler pre-WW2 on his show, because we need to hear all sides.

This idea that we have to hear from all sides is fucking killing us. I’m not saying ban the 1st Amendment, in case there’s any trolls out there waiting to pounce. But this idea that news programs and talk shows need to include unapologetic shitlords and bigoted pieces of shit like Yiannopoulos to be “fair” is why America is a having a FUCKING NAZI PROBLEM right now.

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petesh  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:50:58am

re: #438 Myron Falwell

The visual of people fleeing from the United States is damning enough.

Heck, yes. And the checking process is, I believe, quite rapid.

Historical note:

Flying Burrito Brothers - My Uncle

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:51:45am

Despite long mutual histories here, we can’t totally understand each other in this context, or lack of context. So often, I think I have an inkling of what’s going on with who, and there’s just a piece that doesn’t fit.

I don’t get freetoken and wrestling.

/?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:51:48am

re: #506 JordanRules

Before it became trendy for Maher to parade around his Islamophobe flag, he was a major misogynist and enabler of really fucked up power dynamics.

He always annoyed when he defended Coulter. Okay, she’s your friend, and yes I know you had a fling but she is a bigot and as someone with Hispanic family I don’t appreciate Maher attacking me for pointing out Coulter is a hate merchant.

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petesh  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:51:58am

re: #509 petesh

And a right-on-pint commercial (that I did not expect)

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:52:11am

re: #501 bratwurst

Among the many reasons why I broke with the right… I simply realized that Rush had little entertainment value one day, after weeks and months of noticing that. It was just… noisy and repetitive. And boring.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:52:25am

I consider Maher to be an opportunist, as someone who has found a way to make a decent salary with a nationally distributed TV show. We ought not confuse TV show hosts like him, with actual thought-leaders in the community.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:53:45am

I love Maher’s format but he really is the poster boy for the smug lefty stereotype.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:54:01am

re: #506 JordanRules

Before it became trendy for Maher to parade around his Islamophobe flag, he was a major misogynist and enabler of really fucked up power dynamics.

And let us not forget that his latent Islamophobia got him booted from ABC presto right after 9/11.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:54:24am

Maher’s Religulous was more or less uninspired crap.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:55:40am

re: #504 Nyet

I’m expressing my opinion just as they express theirs.

And that is is great, I respect your opinion. I miss them when you are not around. But response to others opinions is where some lighter handling might serve you and everyone better.

I just expressing my opinion too.

And now I am going to go express myself with some more sanding of patching plaster, etc. Oh joy! But really…sometimes busy work lets the mind wander and wonder. Who knows, maybe I can come up with some better ways to discuss stuff with Nyet/Sergey.

Or more Photoshop ideas.

(lurk mode)

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:56:19am

re: #518 ObserverArt

Peace.

520
Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:56:55am

Maher:

He is a supporter of animal rights, having served on the board of PETA since 1997

Nothing says “reasonable” like being a member of PETA./

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:57:13am

re: #517 Nyet

Maher’s Religulous was more or less uninspired crap.

Yeah and that’s what gets me about his faux intellectual persona. That film.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:58:26am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Yeah and that’s what gets me about his faux intellectual persona. That film.

It could have been good. The potential was there. But it was like getting a microwaved lasagna in an Italian restaurant. You know what I mean?

523
Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:59:12am

re: #522 Nyet

Yeah. Like watching a PG rated horror movie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:59:21am

re: #522 Nyet

It could have been good. The potential was there. But it was like getting a microwaved lasagna in an Italian restaurant. You know what I mean?

Yeah I hear ya. Great idea, poor execution.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 10:59:53am

re: #516 Myron Falwell

And let us not forget that his latent Islamophobia got him booted from ABC presto right after 9/11.

I’m willing to dispute that, as much as I’ve grown to detest Maher over the years.

IIRC, what he said was the 9/11 fucknuts weren’t cowards, which is what everyone was calling them at the time. He basically said if you were willing to drive a jet into the fourth and fifth tallest buildings in the world, you were many things; but “coward” wasn’t one.

I’m sure if I went back and watched that episode, he probably went on to go full metal Pam Geller on all Muslims in the next breath. But I don’t think it was Islamophobia that got him shitcanned from ABC.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:01:21am

re: #525 Mattand

I’m willing to dispute that, as much as I’ve grown to detest Maher over the years.

IIRC, what he said was the 9/11 fucknuts weren’t cowards, which is what everyone was calling them at the time. He basically said if you were willing to drive a jet into the fourth and fifth tallest buildings in the world, you were many things; but “coward” wasn’t one.

I’m sure if I went back and watched that episode, he probably went on to go full metal Pam Geller on all Muslims in the next breath. But I don’t think it was Islamophobia that got him shitcanned from ABC.

Limbaugh of all people defended him for that one.

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:01:33am

re: #525 Mattand

I remember it pretty much the same way.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:01:57am

re: #527 jeffreyw

My recollection as well.

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:03:03am

And, sorry, but what sane person could date Ann Coulter? ///

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:03:13am

Imgur

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Breakfast for lunch

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:03:40am

re: #529 Nyet

And, sorry, but what sane person could date Ann Coulter? ///

Did they date or just hook up but yes….

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:03:51am

re: #517 Nyet

Maher’s Religulous was more or less uninspired crap.

You can pretty much see his Islamophobia spring to life in that movie.

And I’m fairly sure he was shitting on atheists at this time. If you YouTube the Daily Show and Letterman for Maher’s promo appearances for this film, he gets offended when he’s called an atheist. Pulls the whole “Atheists are the flip side of the coin from fundamentalists” bullshit.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:07:32am

re: #480 Dr Lizardo

Yeah. Is there a Russian Navy sub base up around there? Interestingly, there was a detection of I 131 back in October of last year as well. I don’t know if they ever found the source.

yle.fi

Only naval base would be in Murmansk I think.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:08:51am

I wonder if reports like this will become a thing of the past because of the 45 regime.

Civil Rights Commission cites “systemic racism” in its Flint water crisis report

michiganradio.org

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:11:50am

A reminder that the weekends at Mar-a-lago disrupt flight patterns and availability of Palm Beach International Airport.
I have to wonder if landings are even allowed using runways 28 L&R, or departures using 10 R&L

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:15:00am
537
Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:27:31am
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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:29:08am

OK, I’ve watched the Milo-Maher thing and it went exactly as I imagined it would, knowing both characters.

Here’s A Fact-Check On Milo Yiannopoulos’ Incendiary Claims About Trans People

Of course, Milo’s argument about sexually confused males in bathrooms, which Maher found reasonable, can be equally applied to … Milo himself.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:32:31am

re: #538 Nyet

OK, I’ve watched the Milo-Maher thing and it went exactly as I imagined it would, knowing both characters.

Here’s A Fact-Check On Milo Yiannopoulos’ Incendiary Claims About Trans People

Of course, Milo’s argument about sexually confused males in bathrooms, which Maher found reasonable, can be equally applied to … Milo himself.

If you can, try to check out Overtime. I know it’s available on podcast. Apparently, Larry Wilmore did Maher’s job for him.

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The Spite House  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:33:49am

re: #539 Mattand

If you can, try to check out Overtime. I know it’s available on podcast. Apparently, Larry Wilmore did Maher’s job for him.

MILO Confronts the Panel | Overtime with Bill Maher (HBO)

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Nyet  Feb 18, 2017 • 11:35:18am

re: #539 Mattand

Yeah, saw that part, it was good.

542
retired cynic  Feb 18, 2017 • 12:03:06pm

re: #538 Nyet

OK, I’ve watched the Milo-Maher thing and it went exactly as I imagined it would, knowing both characters.

Here’s A Fact-Check On Milo Yiannopoulos’ Incendiary Claims About Trans People

Of course, Milo’s argument about sexually confused males in bathrooms, which Maher found reasonable, can be equally applied to … Milo himself.

I would not be surprised if he was totally fake, just for the shock value to make a name for himself.


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