I’m still out of town visiting family; posting will be sporadic for a few more days because I’m not always going to have a web connection. In the meantime, here’s a midday open thread. Remember to wash behind your ears, don’t eat with your entrenching tool, and above all, play nice.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 10:59:08am |
Kinda lonely in here. Guess all the cool kids are still in the Geller thread.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:00:53am |
According to a study published online Monday, bacteria that live on a person's hands could one day accurately identify that individual. This could come in handy to track down a criminal who has worn gloves, removed prints and other personal physical evidence, or touched surfaces such as fabric on which a fingerprint wouldn't show up, the researchers said.
The concept, outlined in a paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, relies upon the fact that human beings leave a trail of bacteria on objects they touch and that the mix of microbes on each person's hand is highly individualized.
SNIP
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:01:48am |
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Soap_Man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:02:29am |
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:02:38am |
I've decided I'm going to make an active effort to try and get to bed by 10:30 everynight. I keep trying to stay up and finish everything I want to get done and been getting to bed at 1 or 2 am and getting up at 7. Its grueling and I'm done doing it.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:03:04am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:03:16am |
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:03:50am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
WTF?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:04:23am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
Tell them:
Because I want to.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:04:29am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
How about "Because I fucking feel like it."?
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:04:33am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:04:43am |
re: #7 Soap_Man
Cool story here:
Woman donates tax refund to Haiti, wins $50,000 lotto prize four days later
A Whole Lotta Karma.
That is very very cool.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:05:09am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
Underwriters will parse the shit out of every transaction you've made in the past 5 years. Unless you're trying to buy a $400,000 house on a $35,000 income. Then they leave you alone.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:05:16am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
?
I...
I got nothing.
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Soap_Man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:05:24am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
Underwriter, while pounding on desk: "I demand to know why you are being fiscally responsible!!! What are you up to!?!?!"
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:05:27am |
re: #11 MandyManners
WTF?
re: #12 reine.de.tout
Tell them:
Because I want to.
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
How about "Because I fucking feel like it."?
All three were included in the original draft, but decided I should play their game - greater upside potential in the other house, whereas the one we're selling is more or less at the max value the market can sustain.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:05:59am |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:06:31am |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I've decided I'm going to make an active effort to try and get to bed by 10:30 everynight. I keep trying to stay up and finish everything I want to get done and been getting to bed at 1 or 2 am and getting up at 7. Its grueling and I'm done doing it.
My dear, I'm never up past 9:00pm! I love sleeping! Does a body gooooood!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:07:02am |
re: #19 Guanxi88
All three were included in the original draft, but decided I should play their game - greater upside potential in the other house, whereas the one we're selling is more or less at the max value the market can sustain.
It's interesting, because you are trying to up your insurance amt., correct? So you are willing to pay more for a larger policy and they are making it difficult?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:08:03am |
re: #22 Stanley Sea
It's interesting, because you are trying to up your insurance amt., correct? So you are willing to pay more for a larger policy and they are making it difficult?
No, these are mortgage underwriters; they're slightly hesitant about the whole thing. I'm half-tempted to just buy the damned place outright with the proceeds from the sale.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:08:20am |
re: #20 MandyManners
Will suspects have "filth" samples taken?
If their smart they'll see who's spreading all the viruses around and making everyone sick and give them a hefty fine!
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:08:36am |
re: #19 Guanxi88
You were making a prudent financial and real estate investment based on the available opportunities and the chance to sell the existing real estate at an optimum price so that you can improve the related financial positions in the best interests of all the parties involved. The new property is relatively undervalued compared to comparables and therefore has more topside potential while providing less downside risk.
/when all else fails, baffle 'em with bs
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:08:46am |
re: #10 Guanxi88
Waiting now to hear back from the underwriters, who required an explanation of why I'd sell a + $200K house to move to a $70K one. They actually had to have it explained to them that I'd rather spend some cash on the kids' education and a retirement/
Blame lawyers, actually. (my wife is an ex-title agent)
Few documents are as blatantly CYA as an LOX, or "letter of explanation". No facts or documentation are needed...it's just proof that the underwriters were paying attention.
It's actually less common to refinance and not need an LOX than to go without. They weren't quite as commonly used with purchases, but i'll bet that the past 24 months of financial anguish have everyone on their CYA horses...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:09:18am |
re: #24 Dragon_Lady
If their smart they'll see who's spreading all the viruses around and making everyone sick and give them a hefty fine!
Medical cops?
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:09:22am |
re: #21 Dragon_Lady
My dear, I'm never up past 9:00pm! I love sleeping! Does a body goood!
I love sleeping to, but I'm wired as a night owl. When allowed to, I'll stay up till 2 or 3, sleep untill 10 or 11, and be just fine.
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Soap_Man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:09:24am |
re: #23 Guanxi88
No, these are mortgage underwriters; they're slightly hesitant about the whole thing. I'm half-tempted to just buy the damned place outright with the proceeds from the sale.
They are probably so used to people buying houses that are more than they can afford that they think something is amiss when someone does the opposite. :)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:09:36am |
re: #24 Dragon_Lady
If their smart they'll see who's spreading all the viruses around and making everyone sick and give them a hefty fine!
NO! tHEY LOCK UP THOSE SPREADING GERMS IN SEEKRIT FEMA CAMPS!!11
/Alex Jones
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:09:51am |
Oh boy. Rep. King and G. Beck are now saying that having a vote on Sunday for HCR is an affront to God.
KING: They intend to vote on the Sabbath, during Lent, to take away the liberty that we have right from God. [...]BECK: You couldn’t have said it better. Here is a group of people that have so perverted our faith and our hope and our charity, that is a — this is an affront to God. And I honestly, I don’t think anybody is like, “yes, and now what we’ll do is we’ll vote on the Sabbath.” But I think it’s absolutely appropriate that these people are trying to put the nail in the coffin on our country on a Sunday — something our founders would have never, ever, ever done. Out of respect for God.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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teleskiguy Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:10:17am |
Here's a song played by one of my favorite touring bands Umphrey's McGee. It's called "Nemo's Fat Bottomed Good Times." Watch in 720p.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:10:28am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:10:31am |
re: #23 Guanxi88
Oops, misunderstanding here! Thanks for the correction.
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Soap_Man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:10:56am |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
Oh boy. Rep. King and G. Beck are now saying that having a vote on Sunday for HCR is an affront to God.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
I work on Sundays here and there Mr. Beck. Am I "disrespecting" God?
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:11:06am |
There are some real interesting mixed results in the latest Pew poll - this should send rocket flares up for both parties going into 2010 elections - there are clear indicators for both parties on what's wrong about them right now.
Pay attention to the charts on pages two and three at this link, and also the top ten words for congress.
[Link: people-press.org...]
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:11:44am |
re: #30 Soap_Man
They are probably so used to people buying houses that are more than they can afford that they think something is amiss when someone does the opposite. :)
Yep. And we wonder why the housing market's tanked.
Honestly, the whole idea came to us when we saw a neighbor sell the SAME house we have, and sell it quickly, for a VERY unreasonably high price. Told me the bleeding's not done here yet, as the cost is out of all proportion to the real value of the thing.
I guy like me should not own ANY asset that appreciates as quickly as our house did.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:12:29am |
re: #21 Dragon_Lady
My dear, I'm never up past 9:00pm! I love sleeping! Does a body goood!
Sleep! That's when I'm a viking!
-Ralph Wiggum
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:12:34am |
re: #27 MandyManners
Medical cops?
Works for me. If they did that then all those who are walking around with fevers would be made aware of just how contagious they are, and maybe there wouldn't be so many sick people in the emergency rooms and running up health care costs! Just a fantasy of mine...
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:12:47am |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
Oh boy. Rep. King and G. Beck are now saying that having a vote on Sunday for HCR is an affront to God.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Dear Lord Baby Jesus, please do something about about these assholes, they make you and your dad look bad.
KTHX
XXXOOO
J.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:13:56am |
re: #40 Dragon_Lady
Works for me. If they did that then all those who are walking around with fevers would be made aware of just how contagious they are, and maybe there wouldn't be so many sick people in the emergency rooms and running up health care costs! Just a fantasy of mine...
There are those who cannot stay home when they're sick. But, they should keep their hands coated in that germ-killing gel.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:14:13am |
Dispatches from the right:
ON Sunday, the census workers came. We knew that they were mapping potential resistance to the New World Order, but few understood that they were also checking for who was Christian and who was white so that they could be rounded up later for NWO concentration camps. They also just want to know where the old people are for the death panels.
Either that or they will simply brainwash your kids with additives to the water and chem trails in the sky... teach them Darwinism and communism and nazism. Teach them to hate God, or that guns are bad.
Guns are needed to defend against the NWO. So of course we should make our kids scared of them!
The black helicopters are only for surveillance. Their agents rarely repel out of them. Those great big UN funded, unmarked SUVs are what are generally used to pick up those who know too much or those who see too clearly.
The SUV came up with the census gestapo and they goose stepped over my crisis garden, but that is just a ruse. My real stockpiles of food and emergency rations are in the bunker.
They wanted to know who lived here and what race we are. As if they don't already know all that from the chips they put in people's teeth by their NWO commie dentists. Or the tracking devices they put in you in the emergency room.
No they don't need the information, they already know, but keeping this front going is a good cover - and besides it takes more of my tax money! Though I have heard that they still do serve a purpose by trying to see who will resist, marking it down and putting them up further on the list to be eliminated or re-educated.
This is what happens when you let a bunch of liberal UN commies put a president from Uganda in charge of America!
//// Wish this were complete sarcasm... they really do think like this.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:14:56am |
re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love sleeping to, but I'm wired as a night owl. When allowed to, I'll stay up till 2 or 3, sleep untill 10 or 11, and be just fine.
Have you ever tried a cup of hot decafe tea after dinner? Chamomile works for me when I can't turn off my thoughts at night.
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mj Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:15:40am |
Iran Dispute Becomes Focus of Clinton’s Russia Trip
Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said the much delayed plant, near the Iranian city of Bushehr, would go into operation this summer, though he did not give a date. His comments, made at a meeting of nuclear officials, came on the day that Mrs. Clinton arrived here for talks with Russian leaders about an arms control agreement, Iran, the Middle East, and other issues....
...A senior American official played down the clash over Iran in Russia, saying he did not believe Mr. Putin intended to embarrass Mrs. Clinton. The United States, he said, did not oppose Russia’s involvement in the Bushehr plant, only the timing of Tuesday’s announcement.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
So lets see if we understand this right. An ally of the US- Israel- makes an ill-timed announcement and this administration goes nuclear on them.
Russia, a country which can hardly be called an ally of the US, makes an ill-timed announcement about a nuclear plant being built in another country which is a declared enemy of the West and this administration seeks to play it down.
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:15:47am |
re: #38 Guanxi88
We bought our house 12 yrs ago and even in this down market we would still be up 70k by all of the indicators if we sold now. It's taking an average of thirty days on market to sell here, whereas it was taking < week in the hot market days.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:15:54am |
re: #44 Dragon_Lady
Or Valerian Root tea, but that can cause depression, so watch out.
Also, tastes like stewed weeds.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:16:38am |
re: #47 Obdicut
Or Valerian Root tea, but that can cause depression, so watch out.
Also, tastes like stewed weeds.
It tastes like shit. Literally.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:16:45am |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
And....
On Palm Sunday in 2005, the Republican-controlled Senate passed a controversial bill to allow a federal court to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo. The House passed the same bill shortly after midnight on Monday morning.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:16:52am |
I forgot that Sunday is saved for those sacred activities like eating at buffet restaurants after church (thus forcing the workers to work on the Sabbath), hunting and wandering around WalMart.
Or at least that is what Sunday is for in Arkansas....
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:16:59am |
re: #46 Thanos
We bought our house 12 yrs ago and even in this down market we would still be up 70k by all of the indicators if we sold now. It's taking an average of thirty days on market to sell here, whereas it was taking < week in the hot market days.
We bought it new from the builder, lived in it 6 years, did no improvements. Made better than 35% on the thing.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:17:04am |
re: #44 Dragon_Lady
Have you ever tried a cup of hot decafe tea after dinner? Chamomile works for me when I can't turn off my thoughts at night.
Oh, you mean the ritual 45+ minutes of lying there worrying about anything and everything before sleep finally smothers and takes you.
No, I don't drink tea.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:17:14am |
re: #38 Guanxi88
Yep. And we wonder why the housing market's tanked.
Honestly, the whole idea came to us when we saw a neighbor sell the SAME house we have, and sell it quickly, for a VERY unreasonably high price. Told me the bleeding's not done here yet, as the cost is out of all proportion to the real value of the thing.
I guy like me should not own ANY asset that appreciates as quickly as our house did.
Speaking of real estate, you would think that rural midwest houses are plague-infested. Some of my relatives are thinking about buying a semi-mansion on acres of land about 70 minutes north of Columbus (for hunting & family gathering purposes) because they can literally be had for $100k or less, especially if the buyer is willing to spruce up the place...it's amazing what this shake-up has done to different areas...
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:18:05am |
re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love sleeping to, but I'm wired as a night owl. When allowed to, I'll stay up till 2 or 3, sleep untill 10 or 11, and be just fine.
I haven't slept normally in over ten years. I stare at the ceiling half the night, then wake up early in the morning, tired as hell. Take your sleep however you can get it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:18:17am |
re: #47 Obdicut
Or Valerian Root tea, but that can cause depression, so watch out.
Also, tastes like stewed weeds.
heh.
...other than that, it's fantastic!!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:19:03am |
re: #42 MandyManners
There are those who cannot stay home when they're sick. But, they should keep their hands coated in that germ-killing gel.
Had a former co-worker bring in a very nasty bug and spread it around the office, over 3/4 of the staff was out sick for a week and I was sick for 3 weeks. She felt pretty bad about it and said the same thing, couldn't afford to stay home. I went out and bought her and all of my co-workers a bottle of the gel to keep in their pockets. Cost me some money but it was the only way I could get across the seriousness of spreading illness around to everyone. It worked too!
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:19:04am |
re: #54 cliffster
I haven't slept normally in over ten years. I stare at the ceiling half the night, then wake up early in the morning, tired as hell. Take your sleep however you can get it.
Have you talked to your doctor?
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:19:31am |
re: #55 Aceofwhat?
I mask the taste with bergamot and honey, and it's fine. And it doesn't depress me.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:19:50am |
re: #56 Dragon_Lady
Had a former co-worker bring in a very nasty bug and spread it around the office, over 3/4 of the staff was out sick for a week and I was sick for 3 weeks. She felt pretty bad about it and said the same thing, couldn't afford to stay home. I went out and bought her and all of my co-workers a bottle of the gel to keep in their pockets. Cost me some money but it was the only way I could get across the seriousness of spreading illness around to everyone. It worked too!
Shitty sick-leave can cost a company a lot of money.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:19:58am |
Excellent email app being used by the President's admin. for final health care push:[Link: my.barackobama.com...]
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:00am |
re: #57 MandyManners
Indeed. A Sleep study at the very least would be a good thing-- apnea is life-threatening, and just sleeplessness can kill your quality of life.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:06am |
re: #54 cliffster
I haven't slept normally in over ten years. I stare at the ceiling half the night, then wake up early in the morning, tired as hell. Take your sleep however you can get it.
I been waking up at sunrise
I been following the light across my room,
I seen the night receive the room of my day
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:09am |
Interesting trend here:
Yet more evidence that we are going backwards: A new study published today by the Pew Research Center finds the "multi-generational American family household is staging a comeback."Pew is not the first to come up with such findings -- other studies have also shown that Americans are reverting to mixed-generational living. Like Pew, they have noted the economic forces driving more extended families under one roof, such as job losses and home foreclosures. But the Pew study finds that, more than economic pressures, the trend towards multi-gen living is driven by "demographic changes that have been gathering steam for decades" -- a graying and increasingly multi-cultural populace.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:21am |
I sleep best when I exercise regularly. I've been pretty lazy these last couple of months, but now that it's nice out I'll be biking several times a week. And it's time to renew my gym membership, and start once again doing some more heavy bag work with my brother.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:27am |
re: #47 Obdicut
Or Valerian Root tea, but that can cause depression, so watch out.
Also, tastes like stewed weeds.
I keep it around in capsule form, but it makes me groggy the next day. I use it in an pinch when the Chamomile tea doesn't work.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:45am |
re: #54 cliffster
I haven't slept normally in over ten years. I stare at the ceiling half the night, then wake up early in the morning, tired as hell. Take your sleep however you can get it.
me too. i finally broke down and told a doctor after my wife rightfully pointed out that not seeing a doctor wasn't fair to her.
I now heart Lunesta. I'm like a new person.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:20:49am |
I should probably go back in and get my prescription renewed for the sleep meds they had me on, but I just didn't like them. Freaky dreams.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:21:12am |
re: #57 MandyManners
Have you talked to your doctor?
Nah, I don't know what he'd do. Don't stress out so much, cliffster. Gee thanks doc
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:21:15am |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
Oh boy. Rep. King and G. Beck are now saying that having a vote on Sunday for HCR is an affront to God.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
I bet Liebermann wouldn't have any problem attending sessions on the Sabbath?
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:21:44am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:22:31am |
re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I should probably go back in and get my prescription renewed for the sleep meds they had me on, but I just didn't like them. Freaky dreams.
Ambien?
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:22:31am |
re: #68 cliffster
I was going to ask if you are pre-menopausal?////////
Happens alot to wimmen.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:07am |
re: #61 Obdicut
Indeed. A Sleep study at the very least would be a good thing-- apnea is life-threatening, and just sleeplessness can kill your quality of life.
Not really apnea for me - just flat out don't sleep. It does suck, though, and long term it will break a body down.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:18am |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
Oh boy. Rep. King and G. Beck are now saying that having a vote on Sunday for HCR is an affront to God.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
God's not even American. Or is she?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:20am |
Is it possible that irrational fear of the census is caused by confusing Census workers with mental health professionals? Is the fear that others will know how crazy the wingnut is, because on some level he realizes this himself and does not want to be "taken away?"
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:20am |
re: #68 cliffster
Nah, I don't know what he'd do. Don't stress out so much, cliffster. Gee thanks doc
See Obdicut's No. 61.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:38am |
re: #54 cliffster
I haven't slept normally in over ten years. I stare at the ceiling half the night, then wake up early in the morning, tired as hell. Take your sleep however you can get it.
I know not everyone likes taking pills for things, but I think Ambien saved my life.
It used to take forever to get to sleep and even then my sleep was horrible.
Waking dreams (ugh) and sleeping only an hour or so at a stretch.
Then I would fall asleep (literally) at the computer the next day.
Now I go to sleep within an hour of getting in bed and I get at least 6 hours of full sleep most nights. It is not that I can go right to sleep, but that I stay asleep once I get to sleep.
Not every night, but it works 5 out of the 7 nights in a week.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:48am |
re: #68 cliffster
Nah, I don't know what he'd do. Don't stress out so much, cliffster. Gee thanks doc
A good doc will help you look for a solution. My brain won't shut down at night when i need it to. Lunesta has been my savior.
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:54am |
re: #56 Dragon_Lady
Had a former co-worker bring in a very nasty bug and spread it around the office, over 3/4 of the staff was out sick for a week and I was sick for 3 weeks. She felt pretty bad about it and said the same thing, couldn't afford to stay home.
This is another reason I loathe and despise companies who won't let their employees work from home when the nature of the job permits it without problems (to say nothing of the gas/emissions savings from not having to commute).
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:58am |
re: #72 prairiefire
I was going to ask if you are pre-menopausal?///
Happens alot to wimmen.
Hot flashes cause global warming.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:23:59am |
re: #72 prairiefire
I was going to ask if you are pre-menopausal?///
Happens alot to wimmen.
Well, I hadn't thought of that. I'll look into it ;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:24:31am |
re: #44 Dragon_Lady
I can't sleep in past 8:30am due to the organic alarm clocks in the apartment.
When the cat overlords demand service, they want it me-now!
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:24:42am |
re: #79 Aceofwhat?
A good doc will help you look for a solution. My brain won't shut down at night when i need it to. Lunesta has been my savior.
I shut mine down by building houses in my mind.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:24:54am |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
I bet Liebermann wouldn't have any problem attending sessions on the Sabbath?
He actually does do that. When he does, he walks more than 2 miles to the Capitol Building and takes the stairs once there.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:25:02am |
Karma is:
The day I go out and turn my lush dirt over to plant greens is the day my sworn enemy, the huge groundhog who lives under the old animal shed, the fellow who ate all my lettuce, spinach, melons, and cukes last summer, emerges from his winter slumber, and sleepy eyed makes his way to daylight for his first meal since November and put's his neck through a trap and get's it broke. Quick and painless, never saw it coming.
His girlfriend is next.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:25:49am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Karma is:
The day I go out and turn my lush dirt over to plant greens is the day my sworn enemy, the huge groundhog who lives under the old animal shed, the fellow who ate all my lettuce, spinach, melons, and cukes last summer, emerges from his winter slumber, and sleepy eyed makes his way to daylight for his first meal since November and put's his neck through a trap and get's it broke. Quick and painless, never saw it coming.His girlfriend is next.
*whimper*
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:25:56am |
re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Lunesta
Heh. Ambien gave me crazy dreams. Lunesta just puts me peacefully to sleep. Looks like Webvintage had a different experience with Ambien...there's nothing wrong with telling the doc that you'd like to try a different product. A good doctor knows that an effective solution includes minimizing side effects...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:26:12am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Karma is:
The day I go out and turn my lush dirt over to plant greens is the day my sworn enemy, the huge groundhog who lives under the old animal shed, the fellow who ate all my lettuce, spinach, melons, and cukes last summer, emerges from his winter slumber, and sleepy eyed makes his way to daylight for his first meal since November and put's his neck through a trap and get's it broke. Quick and painless, never saw it coming.His girlfriend is next.
We could do a whole thread on our gopher escapades I bet.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:26:17am |
re: #77 webevintage
Does it make you groggy in the morning? I'll pop a benadryl sometimes because that shit knocks you right out. But then I have a hard time shaking the cobwebs the next morning.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:26:42am |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh, you mean the ritual 45+ minutes of lying there worrying about anything and everything before sleep finally smothers and takes you.
No, I don't drink tea.
I never use to either, but when I'm stressed and can't shut off the mind I reach for the tea tin. A friend of mind gave us a whole huge variety a few years ago, since then I've discovered the benefits of a cuppa after a long day. When I'm sick I like Tazo's wild Sweet Orange with honey, it keeps the flem from clogging my throat.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:26:54am |
re: #91 cliffster
Does it make you groggy in the morning? I'll pop a benadryl sometimes because that shit knocks you right out. But then I have a hard time shaking the cobwebs the next morning.
I find two beers, in quick succession, are just the thing for insomnia. 'Course, that helps most things.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:26:56am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Groundhog curry on the menu?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:26:56am |
re: #84 MandyManners
I shut mine down by building houses in my mind.
we don't all picture shirtless carpenters on our way to dreamland.../
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:04am |
re: #70 darthstar
Hey man, you'll like this:
Management Secrets of the Grateful Dead
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:07am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Karma is:
The day I go out and turn my lush dirt over to plant greens is the day my sworn enemy, the huge groundhog who lives under the old animal shed, the fellow who ate all my lettuce, spinach, melons, and cukes last summer, emerges from his winter slumber, and sleepy eyed makes his way to daylight for his first meal since November and put's his neck through a trap and get's it broke. Quick and painless, never saw it coming.His girlfriend is next.
I used to have a moped in college. When I stopped riding it, my dad fixed a bit of garden hose to the exhaust and would ride around the lawn stopping at each gopher hole, snaking the hose down a few feet, and letting it idle for a while to give the little fellers a nice nap.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:16am |
re: #90 MandyManners
My dog Russell was so good at killing groundhogs it was like a massacre every spring. Poor bastards.
Nothing like stepping outside on a spring morning and seeing a groundhog flying through the air as Russell plucked it from its burrow and tossed it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:16am |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
He actually does do that. When he does, he walks more than 2 miles to the Capitol Building and takes the stairs once there.
I know... why do you think I mentioned it?
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mj Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:18am |
AP decides Israel's capital is Tel Aviv:
Clinton calls Israel rift a challenge
MOSCOW – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has described a rift with Israel over a Jerusalem construction project as a challenge, avoiding criticism of Tel Aviv....
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:19am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
If that groundhog is the bastard that made winter longer because of his feakin' shadow, than more power to you!
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:27:48am |
From Holding Out To Whipping Health Care -- How Dennis Kucinich Is Helping Dems Pass Reform
A few hours after Rep. Dennis Kucinich switched his support to become a critical vote for the health care bill, he took to the House floor to ask wavering colleagues to join him. Astonished colleagues pointed to Kucinich (D-OH) darting from member to member on the House floor yesterday, saying privately they'd never seen him get so involved in whipping a vote.
It's not just progressives he's targeting to keep in the fold, it's everyone, a top Democratic aide told me. Members know that Kucinich - a staunch antiwar liberal long in favor of a single-payer system and often going out on a limb with his own agenda - is setting aside deep ideology to help get something passed. "It's a totally new dynamic. People are realizing he's doing it for history," the aide said.
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) told me last night in the House Speaker's lobby that Kucinich's support is "a sign of Democrats recognizing how important this is."
"If Kucinich can back this bill after the way he staked out a position against it, it does help show people they can come together too," Frank said.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:28:03am |
re: #91 cliffster
There's such a wide variety of sleep aids now (including one, er, traditional herb that most find very efficacious) that you should be able to find something that works for you.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:28:16am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Karma is:
The day I go out and turn my lush dirt over to plant greens is the day my sworn enemy, the huge groundhog who lives under the old animal shed, the fellow who ate all my lettuce, spinach, melons, and cukes last summer, emerges from his winter slumber, and sleepy eyed makes his way to daylight for his first meal since November and put's his neck through a trap and get's it broke. Quick and painless, never saw it coming.His girlfriend is next.
In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:28:21am |
re: #95 Aceofwhat?
we don't all picture shirtless carpenters on our way to dreamland.../
I want to sleep. That'd only keep me wide awake.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:29:05am |
re: #96 Jeff In Ohio
Hey man, you'll like this:
Management Secrets of the Grateful Dead
Cool...thanks.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:29:07am |
These tails of groundhog massacres are freaking me out.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:29:10am |
re: #88 Aceofwhat?
Heh. Ambien gave me crazy dreams. Lunesta just puts me peacefully to sleep. Looks like Webvintage had a different experience with Ambien...
My husband was quite sad to find out that the reports of crazy nighttime sex was in fact not one of my reactions to the meds.
BUT I cannot take it and then go back on the computer or I buy shoes and books and...well I just spend money.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:29:11am |
Thanks for all of your suggestions. I really should do something.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:29:21am |
re: #91 cliffster
Does it make you groggy in the morning? I'll pop a benadryl sometimes because that shit knocks you right out. But then I have a hard time shaking the cobwebs the next morning.
Benadryl and other otc stuff is always a gamble with me. Sometimes it knocks me out and I have a great night's sleep. Other times it makes me sleep for about two hours, then I can't get back to sleep. Or I'll sleep for very short periods, with weird dreams, and wake up again.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:29:50am |
re: #84 MandyManners
I shut mine down by building houses in my mind.
I shut mine down by trying to think like a wingnut.
Immediate, profound blankness ensues. And heigh-ho! I'm dreaming.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:30:02am |
re: #103 Obdicut
There's such a wide variety of sleep aids now (including one, er, traditional herb that most find very efficacious) that you should be able to find something that works for you.
but will insurance cover that herb if HCR passes/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:30:09am |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Karma is:
The day I go out and turn my lush dirt over to plant greens is the day my sworn enemy, the huge groundhog who lives under the old animal shed, the fellow who ate all my lettuce, spinach, melons, and cukes last summer, emerges from his winter slumber, and sleepy eyed makes his way to daylight for his first meal since November and put's his neck through a trap and get's it broke. Quick and painless, never saw it coming.His girlfriend is next.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:30:21am |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
Heh... naw, my daughters on a strict diet that we all adhere to. How would she feel if we all ate groundhog while she's eating brown rice, fresh legumes and fruit of the day?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:30:24am |
re: #103 Obdicut
There's such a wide variety of sleep aids now (including one, er, traditional herb that most find very efficacious) that you should be able to find something that works for you.
I've heard good things about catnip tea. The cat overlords recommend it as well...
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:30:41am |
Now on the bright side, my Space Wolves force is coming along nicely. Finished the dreadnought, almost done with the Wolf Guard terminators and then its on to the Blood Claws and finishing the tanks.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:30:52am |
re: #112 Aceofwhat?
I hope so. It's cheap as hell and much more effective than the synthetic version.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:31:03am |
re: #114 Jeff In Ohio
Heh... naw, my daughters on a strict diet that we all adhere to. How would she feel if we all ate groundhog while she's eating brown rice, fresh legumes and fruit of the day?
Macrobiotics, is it? There's quite a lot of sound common sense to it.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:31:29am |
re: #91 cliffster
If benadryl makes you tired, then you have a direct opposite response to it than other people. It either makes you hyper or tired. I'm not sure if that distinction would affect medicine choices for you but it might.
I've got a chronic "thing", so my specialist has me on a very low dose muscle relaxer with an antihistamine combo to get to sleep, and I'm not groggy in the morning.
I don't dream with Ambien and I HATE that.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:31:39am |
re: #107 MandyManners
These tails of groundhog massacres are freaking me out.
This is mole killing time around here.
The yard looks like a mine field.
Someone got a dead one in the house yesterday...mommy did not praise them.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:31:53am |
re: #110 Mad Al-Jaffee
Benadryl and other otc stuff is always a gamble with me. Sometimes it knocks me out and I have a great night's sleep. Other times it makes me sleep for about two hours, then I can't get back to sleep. Or I'll sleep for very short periods, with weird dreams, and wake up again.
the otc stuff gives me creepy-crawlies. i can't take cold-and-sinus nighttime meds or otc sleeping meds because i get very tired and restless leg syndrome at the same time. if i were in guantanamo, it'd be torture/
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:32:27am |
re: #74 darthstar
God's not even American. Or is she?
I have often commented that God contains both masculine and feminine natures. This follows from both male and female being created in God image.
I offer as proof of G-d's feminine nature the following:
1. Quantum mechanics; If a man made the universe, the electron would know where it is damn it! It would not be here or there if it feels like it!
2. Thermodynamics; If a man made the universe, your favorite shirt and shoes would never wear out. You would never need new clothes or shoes. In fact the phrase "need new clothes or shoes" would not even exist.
I could list others, but I am afraid of angering Her.
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:32:49am |
re: #91 cliffster
Does it make you groggy in the morning?
I take Imovane (the Canadian version of Lunesta) on occasion, and don't really have any problems with grogginess. It's the only medication I've ever found that helps me fall asleep fast even when I go to bed stressed out and "wired".
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:33:07am |
re: #107 MandyManners
These tails of groundhog massacres are freaking me out.
"License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote. "
--Carl Spackler
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:33:08am |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
Word. My cats are great mousers, but decapitating anything larger then a medium sized bunny, and they'd rather nap.
Jack Russel sounds like the ticket. They dig up everything, though.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:33:11am |
That's one benefit of living in Texas. It gets so hot, most things can't live. No groundhogs for me.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:33:25am |
re: #121 webevintage
This is mole killing time around here.
The yard looks like a mine field.
Someone got a dead one in the house yesterday...mommy did not praise them.
I have moles but what gets my lettuce is a deer. And, the bunnies like my strawberries.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:34:03am |
re: #127 cliffster
That's one benefit of living in Texas. It gets so hot, most things can't live. No groundhogs for me.
Freakin' 'dillos, man. Tear the hell outta the yard.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:34:18am |
re: #125 Aceofwhat?
"License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote. "
--Carl Spackler
*whimper*
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:35:21am |
re: #130 Guanxi88
Freakin' 'dillos, man. Tear the hell outta the yard.
I misread dillos the first time I read thru that.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:35:33am |
re: #126 Jeff In Ohio
Word. My cats are great mousers, but decapitating anything larger then a medium sized bunny, and they'd rather nap.
Jack Russel sounds like the ticket. They dig up everything, though.
Rat terriers are even better at it than Jacks and have less attitude.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:35:44am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:36:06am |
re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Now on the bright side, my Space Wolves force is coming along nicely. Finished the dreadnought, almost done with the Wolf Guard terminators and then its on to the Blood Claws and finishing the tanks.
Warhammer 40K I assume. I presume naming them "Vargr" would be a copyright violation.
Also explains what Link Hogthrob and the Swinetrek had to live in fear of.
:)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:36:14am |
re: #130 Guanxi88
Freakin' 'dillos, man. Tear the hell outta the yard.
That's true. Sprinkle chili power around your yard. Seriously.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:36:37am |
re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I should probably go back in and get my prescription renewed for the sleep meds they had me on, but I just didn't like them. Freaky dreams.
I'm lucky I don't have a sleep problem, ask RWC. Once I'm out, I'm OUT! We had a friend that has the same prob sleeping, he even goes so far as to keep his family awake just so he won't have to be alone. I think he's on the virge of a breakdown, he hasn't slept in over ten years. RWC has his Medimar card for insomnia, that seems to work for him. Now where I have probs is with Codeine. Talk about freaky dreams! Screaming dreams is more like it! I hallucinate BIG TIME!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:36:37am |
re: #96 Jeff In Ohio
Hey man, you'll like this:
Management Secrets of the Grateful Dead
Good Stuff in there:
Oddly enough, the Dead’s influence on the business world may turn out to be a significant part of its legacy. Without intending to—while intending, in fact, to do just the opposite—the band pioneered ideas and practices that were subsequently embraced by corporate America. One was to focus intensely on its most loyal fans. It established a telephone hotline to alert them to its touring schedule ahead of any public announcement, reserved for them some of the best seats in the house, and capped the price of tickets, which the band distributed through its own mail-order house. If you lived in New York and wanted to see a show in Seattle, you didn’t have to travel there to get tickets—and you could get really good tickets, without even camping out. “The Dead were masters of creating and delivering superior customer value,” Barry Barnes, a business professor at the H. Wayne Huizenga School of Business and Entrepreneurship at Nova Southeastern University, in Florida, told me. Treating customers well may sound like common sense. But it represented a break from the top-down ethos of many organizations in the 1960s and ’70s. Only in the 1980s, faced with competition from Japan, did American CEOs and management theorists widely adopt a customer-first orientation.
As Barnes and other scholars note, the musicians who constituted the Dead were anything but naive about their business. They incorporated early on, and established a board of directors (with a rotating CEO position) consisting of the band, road crew, and other members of the Dead organization. They founded a profitable merchandising division and, peace and love notwithstanding, did not hesitate to sue those who violated their copyrights. But they weren’t greedy, and they adapted well. They famously permitted fans to tape their shows, ceding a major revenue source in potential record sales. According to Barnes, the decision was not entirely selfless: it reflected a shrewd assessment that tape sharing would widen their audience, a ban would be unenforceable, and anyone inclined to tape a show would probably spend money elsewhere, such as on merchandise or tickets. The Dead became one of the most profitable bands of all time.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:37:00am |
In case anyone is interested here is a page to the HC legislation with reconciliation:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
and the CBO PDF
[Link: www.c-span.org...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:37:03am |
re: #127 cliffster
That's one benefit of living in Texas. It gets so hot, most things can't live. No groundhogs for me.
I'll take the groundhogs, you can have the fire ants.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:37:11am |
Potential for a civil war in Thailand.
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:37:36am |
re: #136 cliffster
That's true. Sprinkle chili power around your yard. Seriously.
Oh, we do that. Our neighbors think we're crazy, but we listen to a Saturday morning organic gardening hippy on the radio, and he's never steered us wrong yet.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:38:26am |
re: #140 oaktree
I'll take the groundhogs, you can have the fire ants.
You know, fireants are a relatively new thing. I remember when I was a kid, and they were talking about them moving up into Texas from Mexico, and eventually we'd be taken over. They're still moving. Give it another decade, you'll all have fireants.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:38:48am |
re: #141 Obdicut
Potential for a civil war in Thailand.
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
Yeah, that's been going on for so long that most of us aren't paying attention anymore.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:39:20am |
re: #118 Guanxi88
Macrobiotics, is it? There's quite a lot of sound common sense to it.
4 day rotation diet for leaky gut syndrome. Whole grain, fruit, fresh veggies and fruit; no dairy, wheat, gluten, soy, for a year; no eggs or tomatoes for 3 months. No cane sugar. We eat meat, so small amounts of butcher shop beef, pork, chicken and turkey. Nothing consumed for more the 24 hours, then off 4 days. It's a logistical nightmare, for me since I buy and cook, but she's missed one day of school thsi quarter (vs. 30 last quarter), hasn't had a cramp except for her special girl time since December and her exema has completely cleared upa nd she sleeps good again.
Knock on wood!
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:39:32am |
re: #137 Dragon_Lady
Now where I have probs is with Codeine. Talk about freaky dreams! Screaming dreams is more like it! I hallucinate BIG TIME!
If you're artistically inclined, try putting them down on paper and then selling them as tattoo designs ;)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:39:57am |
re: #142 Guanxi88
Oh, we do that. Our neighbors think we're crazy, but we listen to a Saturday morning organic gardening hippy on the radio, and he's never steered us wrong yet.
Now, the little plastic baggies full of water that you see hung from a lot of restaurants - I think that's a bunch of BS.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:40:01am |
re: #141 Obdicut
Potential for a civil war in Thailand.
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
That article is over a year old.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:40:24am |
re: #127 cliffster
That's one benefit of living in Texas. It gets so hot, most things can't live. No groundhogs for me.
Yeah, but you have armadillos. Worst road kill ever.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:40:31am |
re: #142 Guanxi88
My dad has done that too. In his retirement, he's taken to growing all sorts of interesting plants including Chinese eggplant, Thai limes, and a wide range of herbs.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:40:39am |
re: #91 cliffster
Does it make you groggy in the morning? I'll pop a benadryl sometimes because that shit knocks you right out. But then I have a hard time shaking the cobwebs the next morning.
Antihistamines wire me like nothing else can! Not even caffeine wires me like an antihistamine! I hat the feeling of them, and I cannot take one after 12:00 pm or I won't sleep worth a d**m! NyQuil kills me! Can't take it for the life of me!
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:40:51am |
re: #135 oaktree
Warhammer 40K I assume. I presume naming them "Vargr" would be a copyright violation.
Also explains what Link Hogthrob and the Swinetrek had to live in fear of.
:)
Vargr appear to be a filthy xenos breed worthy of extermination. Space Wolves are the glorious VI Legion of the Adeptus Astartes, the sons of Leman Russ.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:41:18am |
re: #144 Killgore Trout
The King is now critically ill, though, so I think its really about to happen.
It's a good example of a country where a 'right-wing' takeover attempt is in play, as well.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:41:26am |
re: #147 cliffster
Now, the little plastic baggies full of water that you see hung from a lot of restaurants - I think that's a bunch of BS.
John Dromgould - or however it's spelled - hasn't, so far as I know, suggested that one. Between him and our neighborhood "wavy Gravy" we've got an all-organic yard and garden that stays green year-round without watering.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:41:45am |
re: #149 Jeff In Ohio
Yeah, but you have armadillos. Worst road kill ever.
They don't have leprosy though. That's an old wives tale.
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garhighway Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:41:49am |
For you Ambien fans, the New Yorker published the Ambien cookbook.
It's worth a read.
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:42:14am |
re: #145 Jeff In Ohio
4 day rotation diet for leaky gut syndrome. Whole grain, fruit, fresh veggies and fruit; no dairy, wheat, gluten, soy, for a year; no eggs or tomatoes for 3 months. No cane sugar. We eat meat, so small amounts of butcher shop beef, pork, chicken and turkey. Nothing consumed for more the 24 hours, then off 4 days. It's a logistical nightmare, for me since I buy and cook, but she's missed one day of school thsi quarter (vs. 30 last quarter), hasn't had a cramp except for her special girl time since December and her exema has completely cleared upa nd she sleeps good again.
Knock on wood!
Fingers crossed, too. That's some hard stuff to deal with.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:42:51am |
re: #146 publicityStunted
If you're artistically inclined, try putting them down on paper and then selling them as tattoo designs ;)
Things crawling up the walls, heads popping out of the walls, answering the phone when it hasn't rung, not to mention the giant purple spiders hanging from the ceiling don't make for great tat's my friend.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:43:11am |
re: #145 Jeff In Ohio
Bless her heart! We use Eucerin lotion and Gerber baby wash for both kid's excema.
I'm so glad to she is sleeping. It's so important.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:43:38am |
re: #148 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, sorry, a friend of mine reminded me of the situation, posted the first link. Let me get a more recent one.
[Link: www.economist.com...]
That's much better, sorry about that.
Third, the political system has all but broken down, as the government itself tacitly admits when it argues that an election would not solve Thailand’s problems. It may well be right. Democracy works only when the parties that lose an election accept the outcome. And if, as might well happen, Mr Abhisit’s government lost an election to proxies for Mr Thaksin, the same alliance of military and civilian elites that toppled him in 2006 and his allies in 2008 might again reject the popular verdict. Instability would persist.
A very important note.l
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:43:40am |
re: #158 Dragon_Lady
Things crawling up the walls, heads popping out of the walls, answering the phone when it hasn't rung, not to mention the giant purple spiders hanging from the ceiling don't make for great tat's my friend.
Fabulous Freak Brothers & Heavy Metal would disagree.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:43:48am |
re: #149 Jeff In Ohio
Yeah, but you have armadillos. Worst road kill ever.
nah. skunks are the worst.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:44:31am |
re: #148 Dark_Falcon
Despite the tensions, Thai stocks soared to a year-high and the baht currency reached a 21-month peak. Investors have been emboldened by the lack of violence in the opposition campaign so far and the view that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva would survive the crisis.
Economists say the central bank will likely bring forward an expected interest rate rise that could have been delayed by unrest. Benchmark five-year bond yields dropped two basis points to 3.53 percent as prices rose. But the supporters of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra are not letting up in their campaign for new elections.
Wearing trademark red shirts and honking horns, singing folk songs and waving red flags, protesters on motorcycles and in pick-up trucks drove slowly toward Abhisit’s house in an affluent Bangkok neighbourhood where they planned to splash donated blood. Abhisit has not stayed at his home since Friday and has instead taken refuge at a military base, keeping a low profile.
SNIP
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:44:41am |
re: #162 Aceofwhat?
nah. skunks are the worst.
Skunks stink and make a mess. a 'dillo goes crunchety-squish and then stinks and makes a mess. Little bastards can flatten your tires.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:45:37am |
re: #164 Guanxi88
Skunks stink and make a mess. a 'dillo goes crunchety-squish and then stinks and makes a mess. Little bastards can flatten your tires.
Lord help you if your motorcycle hits a 'dillo. It's curtains.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:45:51am |
Well, Gwyenth went to Middle America and pronounced it good. "Well, almost middle anyway."[Link: goop.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:47:08am |
For the past week, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been sleeping at an army base outside Bangkok to avoid mass demonstrations by anti-government protesters. Their rallies have featured shock tactics like splattering jugs of their own blood at his private home Wednesday and at the government headquarters a day earlier.
Tens of thousands of demonstrators remained encamped in the historic heart of the Thai capital Thursday, vowing to wage a "class war" until Abhisit dissolves Parliament and calls fresh elections — a demand he has repeatedly rejected.
Some of the protest's leaders have increasingly portrayed the demonstrations as a struggle between Thailand's impoverished, mainly rural masses and a Bangkok-based elite impervious to their plight. The group largely consists of supporters of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted by a 2006 military coup for alleged corruption, and pro-democracy activists who opposed the army takeover.
Thaksin is popular among the rural poor for his populist policies. They believe Abhisit came to power illegitimately with the connivance of the military and other parts of the traditional ruling class and that only new elections can restore integrity to Thai democracy.
SNIP
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:47:10am |
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:47:52am |
re: #155 cliffster
They don't have leprosy though. That's an old wives tale.
That's good to know. Now I'll just tell my wife to shut up the next time I'm out collecting dead armadillos.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:48:47am |
re: #140 oaktree
I'll take the groundhogs, you can have the fire ants.
We've had those little monster here for over two decades. We look for the nest and poor bleach down the hole and around it, works every time.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:49:20am |
re: #162 Aceofwhat?
nah. skunks are the worst.
Dunno about that. I've spent a lot of time on motorcycles and traveling through Texas and Louisiana the stink and crimson beauty of the dead armadillo trumps any skunk I ever smelt.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:49:23am |
re: #170 Jeff In Ohio
That's good to know. Now I'll just tell my wife to shut up the next time I'm out collecting dead armadillos.
Got any more interesting hobbies?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:49:31am |
re: #164 Guanxi88
Skunks stink and make a mess. a 'dillo goes crunchety-squish and then stinks and makes a mess. Little bastards can flatten your tires.
hmm. i didn't know they could give you a flat. that definitely makes it worse...
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:49:57am |
re: #164 Guanxi88
Skunks stink and make a mess. a 'dillo goes crunchety-squish and then stinks and makes a mess. Little bastards can flatten your tires.
Ew, ew! Mental image I didn't need! *shutter*
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:50:15am |
re: #171 Dragon_Lady
We've had those little monster here for over two decades. We look for the nest and poor bleach down the hole and around it, works every time.
Boiling water. I fill my wife's gumbo pot with water, bring it to a boil, and then pour it right on the mound. Gotta do it at night, when they're all in there.
Kills the grass for a while - hell, it sterilizes the soil, but works like a charm, and it's gratifying to see all those dead fireants the next day.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:50:27am |
re: #170 Jeff In Ohio
They do have leprosy, but in very small numbers.
[Link: www.straightdope.com...]
Fun fact: we don't really know jack shit about leprosy.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:51:08am |
re: #174 Aceofwhat?
hmm. i didn't know they could give you a flat. that definitely makes it worse...
Our '99 Kia Sephia caught a 'dillo-flat back in '03. Nastiest tire-change of my life.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:51:48am |
re: #177 Guanxi88
Boiling water. I fill my wife's gumbo pot with water, bring it to a boil, and then pour it right on the mound. Gotta do it at night, when they're all in there.
Kills the grass for a while - hell, it sterilizes the soil, but works like a charm, and it's gratifying to see all those dead fireants the next day.
Yup, that works great. And no need to put nuclear waste, I mean ortho, on your yard.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:52:02am |
re: #177 Guanxi88
Yeah that works too, but we always used bleach.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:52:04am |
re: #180 Guanxi88
Our '99 Kia Sephia caught a 'dillo-flat back in '03. Nastiest tire-change of my life.
yeah, i'm getting the picture. like the tire-changing equivalent of the car-cleaning scene in Pulp Fiction...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:52:37am |
re: #179 MandyManners
Got your PETA membership, do you.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Arthropods
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:52:39am |
re: #166 prairiefire
Well, Gwyenth went to Middle America and pronounced it good. "Well, almost middle anyway."[Link: goop.com...]
No Pancake Pantry? The Basement? The 5 Spot? At least she caught the Time Jumpers a the Station Inn. That is a real treat.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:53:12am |
re: #181 cliffster
Yup, that works great. And no need to put nuclear waste, I mean ortho, on your yard.
Here in Austin, the city and EVERYBODY with a brain has been screaming for years about the need to cut that shit out. Now, I'm no Green tree-hugger, but common sense says you don't pour persistent chemical poisons on top of your aquifer or into your groundwater.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:53:49am |
Gwyneth has an "I can't get over myself" blog? Who'd'a thunk?
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:54:10am |
re: #186 Guanxi88
yeah, I almost throw up just opening a bottle of that stuff. That should tell you something about the contents.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:54:20am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:54:31am |
re: #184 oaktree
Got your PETA membership, do you.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Arthropods
The only good spider is a dead spider.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:55:11am |
re: #177 Guanxi88
Boiling water. I fill my wife's gumbo pot with water, bring it to a boil, and then pour it right on the mound. Gotta do it at night, when they're all in there.
Kills the grass for a while - hell, it sterilizes the soil, but works like a charm, and it's gratifying to see all those dead fireants the next day.
Don't you know how dangerous that stuff is?!
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:55:17am |
re: #189 Dark_Falcon
You're welcome. Did you catch No. 148?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:55:49am |
re: #190 MandyManners
The only good spider is a dead spider.
Pfft. Spiders kill the other bugs. As long as they stay outside of my house, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:56:08am |
re: #191 Mad Al-Jaffee
BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE NOW! IT'S FOR THE CHILLLDRENNN!
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:56:42am |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
Gwyneth has an "I can't get over myself" blog? Who'd'a thunk?
Who's Gwyneth? She skipped Noshville. Best corned beef on rye in the south, and a brownie as big as your head with SO MANY PECANS THEY MUST HAVE USED THE WHOLE TREE!@@!!!~!1111
Love that place.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:57:03am |
re: #138 Guanxi88
I loved mail-order tickets back in the day...no TicketBastard fees, and like many of my fellow heads, would spend a bit of time making my envelope as cool as possible before sending it in.
Here are some sample envelopes (not mine...I wasn't that artistic).
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:57:16am |
re: #191 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't you know how dangerous that stuff is?!
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
fortunately, a high-quality gin or scotch can help rid the body of excess DHMO...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:57:38am |
re: #193 Aceofwhat?
Pfft. Spiders kill the other bugs. As long as they stay outside of my house, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Spiders are welcome in my house. I feed 'em the excess maggots.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:57:39am |
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:57:50am |
re: #193 Aceofwhat?
Pfft. Spiders kill the other bugs. As long as they stay outside of my house, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Spiders are essential. Groundhogs, not so much.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:58:35am |
re: #193 Aceofwhat?
Pfft. Spiders kill the other bugs. As long as they stay outside of my house, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Recent spider story that I must share.
End of night reading in bed. Spider crawls up pillow directly to my EYE.
Naked person running down hallway yelling.
I'm still in recovery.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:58:50am |
re: #188 cliffster
My father had a stash of DDT. Only saw him use it once. That was when hornets set up shop in the cinder block wall of the foundation. Had an exit via a window well to the outside from behind the house siding, and another one into the basement itself. My brother and I ended up combating them in the basement using badminton racquets. Dad mixed up some of the DDT with water and squirted it up behind the siding to get it into the hole. Cleaned them out, and probably contaminated the spot badly enough there would not be a recurrence any time soon.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:59:03am |
What's next? A massacre of prairie dogs?
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:59:41am |
re: #153 Obdicut
The King is now critically ill, though, so I think its really about to happen.
It's a good example of a country where a 'right-wing' takeover attempt is in play, as well.
The latest is the blood splashing etc.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:59:43am |
re: #203 MandyManners
What's next? A massacre of prairie dogs?
Releasing the hounds and killer bees I think...
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 11:59:57am |
OK, even with the large rodent death, I'm still broke up over Alex Chilton passing.
Big Star - Thirteen
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:00:07pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
Recent spider story that I must share.
End of night reading in bed. Spider crawls up pillow directly to my EYE.
Naked person running down hallway yelling.
I'm still in recovery.
You sleep nekkid?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:00:23pm |
Over the past half decade or so, David's Medienkritik was a good porthole into the anti-American mindset prevalent in the German media. Now, apparently he's feeling talked out, and suffering from reallife-itis. So, so long, and thanks for all the Fisch, Dave!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:00:41pm |
re: #192 MandyManners
You're welcome. Did you catch No. 148?
Yes. I'm just bit glum. My all day interview got pushed back till next week because the interviewer had a family emergency, but I only found out after I spent $29 on cab fare getting there. Then the bus I planned to use for the first leg home did not show up and I had to walk two miles instead. Good exercise but it wasn't a fun morning. I'm still in the running for the job, though.
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:01:28pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:03pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:04pm |
re: #199 MandyManners
[Video]
What gets a little creepy is when they eat things you assume they couldn't...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:18pm |
re: #205 oaktree
Releasing the hounds and killer bees I think...
The dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:23pm |
re: #209 Dark_Falcon
Still in the running for the job is GOOD!
((DF))
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:26pm |
re: #193 Aceofwhat?
Pfft. Spiders kill the other bugs. As long as they stay outside of my house, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
I try not to kill spiders unless its a black widow and in my home. I capture them in a cup wit a piece of paper and let them go outside. You should see one of my older brothers when he sees a spider! OMG its funny! A great big 6'2" 220lb guy screaming and hollering to kill it! I know I shouldn't have laughed, phobias aren't a laughing matter but heavens what a little girl he turns into! :-O
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:33pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
Recent spider story that I must share.
End of night reading in bed. Spider crawls up pillow directly to my EYE.
Naked person running down hallway yelling.
I'm still in recovery.
yeah, i'd draw the line there too. *shiver*
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:02:38pm |
Prairie Dog Hunt.
Wouldn't be necessary if people would quit hunting wolves from helicopters.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:04:01pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:04:24pm |
re: #215 Dragon_Lady
I try not to kill spiders unless its a black widow and in my home. I capture them in a cup wit a piece of paper and let them go outside. You should see one of my older brothers when he sees a spider! OMG its funny! A great big 6'2" 220lb guy screaming and hollering to kill it! I know I shouldn't have laughed, phobias aren't a laughing matter but heavens what a little girl he turns into! :-O
Spiders, eight legs, eight eyes, walks like evil incarnate itself....
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:04:28pm |
re: #215 Dragon_Lady
I try not to kill spiders unless its a black widow and in my home.
Me too. Those and brown recluses. I hope that doesn't make me racist.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:05:04pm |
These are what I find somewhat creepy yet fascinating.
Speedsters compared to spiders. And the cats never evinced any interest in hunting them. (They did stalk and kill spiders and crickets. Though the larger wolf spiders in the house appeared to not be intimidated by anything.)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:05:06pm |
And speaking of geeking out.. for all fellow geeks... Dragon Age Awakenings is just the shit...
The only word for it is munchkin.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:05:21pm |
re: #204 Thanos
That's got some heavy symbolism in Buddhist culture, too.
This is a reason why monarchies are bad even when you have a strong king. Eventually, he gets sick and isn't strong anymore.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:05:30pm |
Oh, I'm sure everyone has already forgot, but last week I mentioned a friend on FB un-friended me over politics relating to Israel/Palestine. The friendship is over. She accused me of being hostile to her by making inflammatory statements when I challenged her assumptions. Apparently, a 'real friend' is supposed to shut up and accept her views w/o question.
On another note, I'm going to brew a Costa Rican blend and start paperwork necessary for taxes.
And it's shining bright again today. :)
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:06:16pm |
re: #225 eclectic infidel
Oh, I'm sure everyone has already forgot, but last week I mentioned a friend on FB un-friended me over politics relating to Israel/Palestine. The friendship is over. She accused me of being hostile to her by making inflammatory statements when I challenged her assumptions. Apparently, a 'real friend' is supposed to shut up and accept her views w/o question.
On another note, I'm going to brew a Costa Rican blend and start paperwork necessary for taxes.
And it's shining bright again today. :)
The day someone lets politics get in the way of friendship is the day they've lost friend status.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:06:47pm |
re: #212 Aceofwhat?
What gets a little creepy is when they eat things you assume they couldn't...
Not going to look...not going to look...my poor tummy's holding by a thread as it is! Upding for the thought, though!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:07:32pm |
re: #227 Dragon_Lady
Not going to look...not going to look...my poor tummy's holding by a thread as it is! Upding for the thought, though!
What, you've never seen a spider eat a bird?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:07:34pm |
re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote
And speaking of geeking out.. for all fellow geeks... Dragon Age Awakenings is just the shit...
The only word for it is munchkin.
Nice. I'm still plodding happily through my first playthrough of the first release. It's divine.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:07:34pm |
re: #222 oaktree
These are what I find somewhat creepy yet fascinating.
Speedsters compared to spiders. And the cats never evinced any interest in hunting them. (They did stalk and kill spiders and crickets. Though the larger wolf spiders in the house appeared to not be intimidated by anything.)
Oh, damn! I lived in a place ROTTEN with those things. I had to drink myself unconscious to get any sleep every time one of those unheimlich critters came into view.
THOSE things, I hate.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:07:45pm |
re: #205 oaktree
Releasing the hounds and killer bees I think...
Dagnabit. I can't find my link to SNL's video of Belushi and Gould.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:07:59pm |
re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote
I have often commented that God contains both masculine and feminine natures. This follows from both male and female being created in God image.
I offer as proof of G-d's feminine nature the following:
1. Quantum mechanics; If a man made the universe, the electron would know where it is damn it! It would not be here or there if it feels like it!
2. Thermodynamics; If a man made the universe, your favorite shirt and shoes would never wear out. You would never need new clothes or shoes. In fact the phrase "need new clothes or shoes" would not even exist.
I could list others, but I am afraid of angering Her.
OMG.
I never need new clothes. The idea of "needing" clothes is a guy thing.
Women just want new clothes.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:08:35pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:08:44pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:08:50pm |
re: #225 eclectic infidel
Oh, I'm sure everyone has already forgot, but last week I mentioned a friend on FB un-friended me over politics relating to Israel/Palestine. The friendship is over. She accused me of being hostile to her by making inflammatory statements when I challenged her assumptions. Apparently, a 'real friend' is supposed to shut up and accept her views w/o question.
On another note, I'm going to brew a Costa Rican blend and start paperwork necessary for taxes.
And it's shining bright again today. :)
As I mentioned when you brought it up, a newly friended friend-of-a-friend instantly defriended me when she saw pictures of Israel in my FB photo albums. And that my political views are listed as "incorrect".
Hers? "Liberal fascist."
Heh.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:08:54pm |
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:09:34pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:10:18pm |
re: #215 Dragon_Lady
I try not to kill spiders unless its a black widow and in my home. I capture them in a cup wit a piece of paper and let them go outside. You should see one of my older brothers when he sees a spider! OMG its funny! A great big 6'2" 220lb guy screaming and hollering to kill it! I know I shouldn't have laughed, phobias aren't a laughing matter but heavens what a little girl he turns into! :-O
I release it from its mortal coils.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:10:26pm |
re: #230 Guanxi88
Oh, damn! I lived in a place ROTTEN with those things. I had to drink myself unconscious to get any sleep every time one of those unheimlich critters came into view.
THOSE things, I hate.
yep, me too. my frontal lobe tells the court that these suckers eat other bugs. my medulla oblongata objects and moves to strike. (figuratively and literally)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:10:29pm |
re: #230 Guanxi88
And they're there to eat other things for the most part.
When they started speeding around the walls and ceiling it's the "please don't suddenly lose grip and drop in my lap" thoughts...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:11:25pm |
re: #229 Aceofwhat?
Nice. I'm still plodding happily through my first playthrough of the first release. It's divine.
That too is great. One of the best things that Bioware does is carry through decisions and people from the first game. So you turn a corner and you can do say... hey I remember you!
It's really a gift they have for finding good writers. Not only is the storyline compelling, but the characters in it are compelling.
And yes there is the whole munchkining out factor. You almost have to play the expansion on a high difficulty, otherwise you spend too much time debating whether to slay your foes just by looking at them or by simply letting them hurt themselves by looking at you.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:11:59pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:12:19pm |
re: #232 reine.de.tout
OMG.
I never need new clothes. The idea of "needing" clothes is a guy thing.
Women just want new clothes.
Tell that to my GF... She just threw out one of my favorite shirts!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:12:41pm |
re: #220 LudwigVanQuixote
Spiders, eight legs, eight eyes, walks like evil incarnate itself...
Watched an huge orb spider, at least 4" across leg to leg and her body must have been at least 1" long, build a web outside my folks kitchen window one year, it was massive for a spider web! Over 6" tall and at least that across! It took her over two weeks to build the web and she had one heck of a nest at the end of the season. I must say her stripes were kind of cool and watching her build the web was fascinating!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:12:52pm |
I occasionally see (and kill) centipedes in my house. Even though they're supposed to be good (they eat misquito larvae) I still don't like them. They get the death penalty from me.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:13:28pm |
re: #242 Aceofwhat?
yep, me too. my frontal lobe tells the court that these suckers eat other bugs. my medulla oblongata objects and moves to strike. (figuratively and literally)
OK. Would you feel better or worse if your in-house predator insects were preying mantises and/or dragonflies?
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:13:51pm |
*lalalalalala* i can't hear you *lalalalala*
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:14:08pm |
re: #247 LudwigVanQuixote
Tell that to my GF... She just threw out one of my favorite shirts!
Conversation with the wife:
Hey, where's my knocking-around coat?
That big ugly green one?
Yeah, that's the one.
Chucked it out.
Why?
'Cause it's older than I am, was made in a country that no longer exists, and makes you look like an illegal Bulgarian immigrant.
But it's warm and waterproof!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:14:19pm |
re: #209 Dark_Falcon
Yes. I'm just bit glum. My all day interview got pushed back till next week because the interviewer had a family emergency, but I only found out after I spent $29 on cab fare getting there. Then the bus I planned to use for the first leg home did not show up and I had to walk two miles instead. Good exercise but it wasn't a fun morning. I'm still in the running for the job, though.
DF - that's an aggravating and frustrating and disappointing experience.
I hope the weather was good for you walk, though.
Good to know you're still in the running for that job.
But I'm going to suggest that you don't put all of your eggs in one basket - continue to seek out and go to interviews for other jobs as well.
Advice from your friendly HR office.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:14:40pm |
re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote
That too is great. One of the best things that Bioware does is carry through decisions and people from the first game. So you turn a corner and you can do say... hey I remember you!
It's really a gift they have for finding good writers. Not only is the storyline compelling, but the characters in it are compelling.
And yes there is the whole munchkining out factor. You almost have to play the expansion on a high difficulty, otherwise you spend too much time debating whether to slay your foes just by looking at them or by simply letting them hurt themselves by looking at you.
I know i'm enjoying the writing when i struggle between answering a question to build a relationship correctly and answering it differently because it's just damn funny...
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:14:51pm |
re: #228 Mad Al-Jaffee
What, you've never seen a spider eat a bird?
Oh, thanks for that, think I'll go throw up now. BBS
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:15:07pm |
re: #250 oaktree
OK. Would you feel better or worse if your in-house predator insects were preying mantises and/or dragonflies?
much, much better. those are two of my favorite insects. they are welcome in my home anytime...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:15:21pm |
re: #250 oaktree
OK. Would you feel better or worse if your in-house predator insects were preying mantises and/or dragonflies?
That is a cool question. Preying mantises are kinda cool in my book. I admit it. Spiders just ick me out. No one ever claimed these things were completely rational.
I am not one of those who screams when I see them, but I really do not care for them.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:15:27pm |
re: #252 Guanxi88
Guanxi88 - just sent you an email, in response to your comment about underwrtiers on one of the previous threads.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:15:36pm |
re: #247 LudwigVanQuixote
Tell that to my GF... She just threw out one of my favorite shirts!
LOL.
I'm guessing it perhaps needed to be thrown out.
I've done that on occasion to the Roi - I swear, he wears things until the fabric has rotted, then asks me to repair them. I can repair a seam, but no one can repair fabric that's so old it has fallen apart.
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Slap Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:15:41pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:15:53pm |
re: #230 Guanxi88
Oh, damn! I lived in a place ROTTEN with those things. I had to drink myself unconscious to get any sleep every time one of those unheimlich critters came into view.
THOSE things, I hate.
The first time I saw one of those my mesencephalon insisted that I not sleep in my apartment that night. Maybe because it popped up on the wall behind my pillows as I was walking toward the bed.
The next day I used an entire can of Raid on all the cracks in the room.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:16:22pm |
Just don't tell any snake stories...Those things freak me out..
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:16:34pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
LOL.
I'm guessing it perhaps needed to be thrown out.
I've done that on occasion to the Roi - I swear, he wears things until the fabric has rotted, then asks me to repair them. I can repair a seam, but no one can repair fabric that's so old it has fallen apart.
But that's just when it's the softest!
Sheets are the best, right before your foot goes through them!
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:16:54pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:17:02pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
Recent spider story that I must share.
End of night reading in bed. Spider crawls up pillow directly to my EYE.
Naked person running down hallway yelling.
I'm still in recovery.
I can almost top that. I'm sitting on the toilet late at night, after everyone's gone to bed. I'm reading a suspense novel. At a particularly hair-raising paragraph, an enormous black spider walks over my bare foot. 8O
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:17:25pm |
re: #262 HoosierHoops
Just don't tell any snake stories...Those things freak me out..
Yesss, HoosssierHoopsss.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:17:46pm |
re: #252 Guanxi88
Conversation with the wife:
Hey, where's my knocking-around coat?
That big ugly green one?
Yeah, that's the one.
Chucked it out.
Why?
'Cause it's older than I am, was made in a country that no longer exists, and makes you look like an illegal Bulgarian immigrant.
But it's warm and waterproof!
Hello... YEAH!
I suppose we should take it as a sign of affection that they want to groom us and all, but hey, some of that stuff has been through a lot with me.
When she complains at me not throwing out perfectly functional and beloved old things I point out to her that a woman ought to like that her man still loves things even if they get a little old. Then she tries to hit me.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:17:54pm |
re: #262 HoosierHoops
My dad is such a ophidiophobe that describing a snake to him, or just saying the word 'snake' makes him shudder.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:18:10pm |
re: #265 The Sanity Inspector
I can almost top that. I'm sitting on the toilet late at night, after everyone's gone to bed. I'm reading a suspense novel. At a particularly hair-raising paragraph, an enormous black spider walks over my bare foot. 8O
Makes us stronger, right?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:18:26pm |
re: #248 Dragon_Lady
Watched an huge orb spider, at least 4" across leg to leg and her body must have been at least 1" long, build a web outside my folks kitchen window one year, it was massive for a spider web! Over 6" tall and at least that across! It took her over two weeks to build the web and she had one heck of a nest at the end of the season. I must say her stripes were kind of cool and watching her build the web was fascinating!
Now, for some reason I think jumping spiders are cute. With their blunt little heads and elongated abdomens, they remind me of 1930s roadsters.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:18:45pm |
re: #260 Slap
Melatonin works well... what also helps is a Dramamine tablet (the regular ones, not the "non-drawsy"). Have to be careful tho - it's an antihistimine, so if you're not supposed to take them, don't take the Dramamine. Two 3mg melatonins and a Dramamine and I'm out for 8 hrs. No "hangover", either.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:19:26pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:19:32pm |
You know what one of the worst insect pests is? Bed bugs. And they're coming back. I've talked to people who have had infestations, and their stories are horrifying.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:19:50pm |
re: #232 reine.de.tout
OMG.
I never need new clothes. The idea of "needing" clothes is a guy thing.
Women just want new clothes.
Hear, hear Sister! Upding for the truth!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:20:15pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
LOL.
I'm guessing it perhaps needed to be thrown out.
Women always band together!
I've done that on occasion to the Roi - I swear, he wears things until the fabric has rotted, then asks me to repair them. I can repair a seam, but no one can repair fabric that's so old it has fallen apart.
Well in the case of absolutely falling apart I can see it - provided you are not talking something of sentimental value. The shirt in question was not falling apart and I tend to take good care of my things. She would disagree about how serviceable it was to be fair to her, but it did not have holes or tears in it.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:21:09pm |
re: #212 Aceofwhat?
What gets a little creepy is when they eat things you assume they couldn't...
There's a boatload of videos on YouTube, of people feeding critters to their pet tarantulas.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:21:19pm |
re: #275 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah. Memo: Original Pixies shirts don't get thrown out even when they have extensive holes in them. Ever.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:21:24pm |
re: #262 HoosierHoops
Just don't tell any snake stories...Those things freak me out..
heh. i love them. holding them is a blast - the mechanics of their movement are wild, especially around your arm.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:21:25pm |
re: #270 The Sanity Inspector
Now, for some reason I think jumping spiders are cute. With their blunt little heads and elongated abdomens, they remind me of 1930s roadsters.
We get tiny hunting (jumping) spiders running around from time to time, I agree they do look like roadsters! Fast little buggers!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:21:41pm |
re: #270 The Sanity Inspector
Now, for some reason I think jumping spiders are cute. With their blunt little heads and elongated abdomens, they remind me of 1930s roadsters.
I like jumping spiders a great deal as well. Saw them a lot along a brick wall where I was growing morning glories and day lillies. If I recall they also got good press in a Piers Anthony Xanth novel...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:22:14pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:22:47pm |
re: #273 Mad Al-Jaffee
You know what one of the worst insect pests is? Bed bugs. And they're coming back. I've talked to people who have had infestations, and their stories are horrifying.
quite true. i've read that they're incredibly good at hiding, so eliminating them is very tough once they've started to take up residence. yuck.
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:22:49pm |
Spiders and drugs are two of the topics under discussion, correct? :)
Scientists at the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) have turned their attention from the mysteries of the cosmos to a more esoteric area of research: what happens when you get a spider stoned. Their experiments have shown that common house spiders spin their webs in different ways according to the psychotropic drug they have been given. Nasa scientists believe the research demonstrates that web-spinning spiders can be used to test drugs because the more toxic the chemical, the more deformed was the web.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:23:01pm |
re: #267 LudwigVanQuixote
Hello... YEAH!
I suppose we should take it as a sign of affection that they want to groom us and all, but hey, some of that stuff has been through a lot with me.
When she complains at me not throwing out perfectly functional and beloved old things I point out to her that a woman ought to like that her man still loves things even if they get a little old. Then she tries to hit me.
You have a few points, there.
But you must hear this story, to know why I threw out the Roi's fave sweatpants.
He wanted to do some yardwork, so he pulled on the sweatpants, but no undies.
Then he went into the yard and bent over to do some weeding, which is fine, except these pants had a hole in the crotch and well, it just was not a pretty sight, I'll leave it at that.
It wasn't a seam problem that I could fix. The fabric was torn. The pants went into the trash.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:23:03pm |
re: #250 oaktree
OK. Would you feel better or worse if your in-house predator insects were preying mantises and/or dragonflies?
I always have a large amount of Praying Mantises in my tomatoes and asparagus ferns. They give me the old oogly eye, and give them lots of space. They are like the mafia in the garden.
Dragon flies are just poetry in motion. They fly from the pond across the road down to the creek, crossing over our property. The girls and I love to lay out on our backs on a summers day, and watch them fly over.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:23:04pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
LOL.
I'm guessing it perhaps needed to be thrown out.
I've done that on occasion to the Roi - I swear, he wears things until the fabric has rotted, then asks me to repair them. I can repair a seam, but no one can repair fabric that's so old it has fallen apart.
I have 3 closets full of clothes...And a hallway closet stuffed with coats..
I love clothes.. you can never have too many..
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:23:42pm |
In other news, MySpace still exists.
BBL.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:02pm |
re: #277 Obdicut
Yeah. Memo: Original Pixies shirts don't get thrown out even when they have extensive holes in them. Ever.
This one was Sisters of Mercy....
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:09pm |
re: #286 HoosierHoops
I have 3 closets full of clothes...And a hallway closet stuffed with coats..
I love clothes.. you can never have too many..
I agree.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:22pm |
re: #275 LudwigVanQuixote
Well in the case of absolutely falling apart I can see it - provided you are not talking something of sentimental value. The shirt in question was not falling apart and I tend to take good care of my things. She would disagree about how serviceable it was to be fair to her, but it did not have holes or tears in it.
A lot of my older clothing falls into the 'cast-iron' category, and that coat was one of them. Whole crap-load of 'worker's uniforms' ended up in Boston one year - all lovingly made in Croatia when it was part of Yugoslavia. Durable, warm, ugly, and 100% functional.
Women are different in so many ways, but they don't always appreciate the "neat" factor of an indestructible garment the way a man would.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:24pm |
re: #253 reine.de.tout
DF - that's an aggravating and frustrating and disappointing experience.
I hope the weather was good for you walk, though.Good to know you're still in the running for that job.
But I'm going to suggest that you don't put all of your eggs in one basket - continue to seek out and go to interviews for other jobs as well.Advice from your friendly HR office.
I'm looking. I've got two interviews tomorrow and and another one next week already. It's just annoying when you lay out money to be at an important interview on time and they can't really hold the interview.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:33pm |
re: #273 Mad Al-Jaffee
You know what one of the worst insect pests is? Bed bugs. And they're coming back. I've talked to people who have had infestations, and their stories are horrifying.
*shudder*
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:36pm |
The Spiders from Mars are always fine with me. (sorry, at work, can't post any videos)
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:24:57pm |
re: #284 reine.de.tout
LOL!
He'd be so embarrassed, if he knew you told that story!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:25:13pm |
re: #280 oaktree
I like jumping spiders a great deal as well. Saw them a lot along a brick wall where I was growing morning glories and day lillies. If I recall they also got good press in a Piers Anthony Xanth novel...
Funny - i like his SciFi far more than his fantasy work. Most people are the opposite, i think...
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:25:40pm |
re: #267 LudwigVanQuixote
Hello... YEAH!
I suppose we should take it as a sign of affection that they want to groom us and all, but hey, some of that stuff has been through a lot with me.
When she complains at me not throwing out perfectly functional and beloved old things I point out to her that a woman ought to like that her man still loves things even if they get a little old. Then she tries to hit me.
I have clothing older than my wife...still wear some of it occasionally. nothing out of style or weird..just some T-shirts and sweaters. I see no reason to get rid of them anytime soon either.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:26:02pm |
re: #293 Mad Al-Jaffee
The Spiders from Mars are always fine with me. (sorry, at work, can't post any videos)
I can
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:26:12pm |
re: #283 publicityStunted
Spiders and drugs are two of the topics under discussion, correct? :)
I didn't inhale....
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:26:29pm |
re: #284 reine.de.tout
You have a few points, there.
But you must hear this story, to know why I threw out the Roi's fave sweatpants.
He wanted to do some yardwork, so he pulled on the sweatpants, but no undies.Then he went into the yard and bent over to do some weeding, which is fine, except these pants had a hole in the crotch and well, it just was not a pretty sight, I'll leave it at that.
It wasn't a seam problem that I could fix. The fabric was torn. The pants went into the trash.
Well, that's different. Sweatpants are to be discouraged in any and all situations. Tell him track pants or shorts, thankyouverymuch...
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:26:45pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
There's quite a bit of things in play in Thailand. You've got an Islamist insurgency in the South; the king's on his last legs, and the right wing is agitating.
The government there is truly broken, and an election by itself wont fix things unless all sides recognize that the elections have significance and legitimacy.
First, the red shirts do enjoy considerable popular support, and not just in the poor north-east from which so many hail. Mr Thaksin was a high-handed leader convicted of corruption. But his policies, such as affordable health care, helped the poor. “Populism”, sniff his critics. But popularity is what competitive politics is about, and the present government has shamelessly borrowed his policies. Second, whatever Mr Thaksin’s faults, his supporters have a point. He was ousted by a coup in 2006 and the present government was installed, with the backing of the army, by a parliamentary fix, not an election.Third, the political system has all but broken down, as the government itself tacitly admits when it argues that an election would not solve Thailand’s problems. It may well be right. Democracy works only when the parties that lose an election accept the outcome. And if, as might well happen, Mr Abhisit’s government lost an election to proxies for Mr Thaksin, the same alliance of military and civilian elites that toppled him in 2006 and his allies in 2008 might again reject the popular verdict. Instability would persist.
Fourth, and perhaps most important, the backdrop to this week’s street theatre is the looming royal succession. The king, who has reigned for six decades, is widely revered. His anointed successor, the crown prince, is not. Indeed, he is widely disliked and already shows signs of meddling in politics. Although, in theory, the monarchy inhabits a realm far above the murk of daily government, it has been an important source of legitimacy for the unelected prime minister. The king accepted the coup that overthrew Mr Thaksin in 2006. His senior advisers blessed it. And he never publicly repudiated the yellow-shirted “royalists”, whose revolt in late 2008 led to the downfall of a government led by Mr Thaksin’s proxies.
Put it all together, and you've got a powderkeg waiting to go boom.
Oh and apparently watch what color you wear when you go to Thailand - various colors hold special relevance and importance.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:27:06pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:27:31pm |
re: #284 reine.de.tout
You have a few points, there.
But you must hear this story, to know why I threw out the Roi's fave sweatpants.
He wanted to do some yardwork, so he pulled on the sweatpants, but no undies.Then he went into the yard and bent over to do some weeding, which is fine, except these pants had a hole in the crotch and well, it just was not a pretty sight, I'll leave it at that.
It wasn't a seam problem that I could fix. The fabric was torn. The pants went into the trash.
LOL, ok you have a point.
My brother and his wife are both medical doctors.
Once the little brother went into the hospital for his shift and the head nurse - a very formidable black lady - looked at him and shook her head.
My brother said "what?"
She said: "Your wife is at that conference this week isn't she?"
He said yes.
Because he did not get it, she explained that there was no way his wife would let him out of the house dressed like that.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:27:43pm |
Well, how about Cicadas?
Noisy, sorta ugly to look at. Occasional massive local outbreaks. But at least they go see us and go OM NOM NOM.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:28:25pm |
re: #302 BaseballMom57
Are you a Parseltongue, Mandy?
(sorry - Harry Potter reference.)
I don't know.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:28:26pm |
I've gone major fatcat on y'all, with shades of oil potentate thrown in.
I bought a car.
Yep, an honest-to-T.E. Lawrence Rolls-Royce of all things.
It smells like leather to most people but to me it smells like history- Lawrence cruising the desert shooting up Turks from his armored Silver Ghost, the scream of Merlins in the summer of 1940, etc.
This particular one is from 1969, before the bankruptcy and the aircraft engine division separation, let alone the take-over by the accursed Huns Germans (VW first and now BMW).
Older, used RRs are actually pretty affordable but maintenance costs are something else again and you have to know both a competent mechanic and the market before you dive in.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:28:54pm |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:28:59pm |
re: #280 oaktree
I like jumping spiders a great deal as well. Saw them a lot along a brick wall where I was growing morning glories and day lillies. If I recall they also got good press in a Piers Anthony Xanth novel...
Hey I read that book! Love Xanth novels, got them all. Got my love of puns from him...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:29:23pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:29:26pm |
re: #294 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
He'd be so embarrassed, if he knew you told that story!
YOu're right!
He would be!
LOL
What he should have been embarrassed about was wearing those pants.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:29:37pm |
re: #306 Shiplord Kirel
That's a beautiful machine, well done, well done indeed.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:29:53pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:30:05pm |
I need to do a heap of work.
So I'm turning on the DJ Shadow and disappearing into design space.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:30:10pm |
re: #301 mikeysdca
This is an extraordinary moment. With control of the Executive Branch and both Houses of Congress, the Democrats have demonstrated that they cannot govern.
And they did it so quickly. It took Jimmy Carter almost three tears to sink into utter futility. These guys did it in fourteen months,
Uh...don't buy dope at the bus station. It might have taken losing their super-majority in the Senate (which the never really had, when you consider Lieberman) to wake them up, but shit is getting done, despite zero support from 41% of the Senate and 42% of the House. Good shit.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:31:38pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:31:42pm |
re: #306 Shiplord Kirel
What are you going to name it?
IIRC, Lord Peter Wimsey's was Miss Mertle?
We had a car named Murgatroyd, once.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:31:43pm |
I went to get lunch, come back and we're still talking about insects. Geez.
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Slap Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:32:12pm |
re: #273 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Horrifying" is really almost insultingly mild. (You're not insulting, mind you.) The Mrs and I used to live in an older apartment next door to a fellow who had occasional overnight visitors whose sleeping accommodations were perhaps less than optimal most days; his apt became infested. Landlord treated his apt four different times without notifying other tenants or researching bedbug behavior, and the other apartments sharing common walls (ours included) became infested in short order. Took three treatments to eradicate them; the infections from the bites put the Mrs on antibiotics for a stretch that really screwed with her system, had to buy an entirely new mattress/box springs.
IF YOU TRAVEL AND STAY AT HOTELS, do a little research into what bedbug infestation indicators look like -- check the box springs and the hanging pics on the walls for them. They're starting to be found all over.
Bedbugs -- not just for the indigent anymore.
Honestly, we still both have the occasional nightmares about it.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:32:43pm |
re: #306 Shiplord Kirel
I'd love to get a duesenberg, or an early 50's Mercedes.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:32:57pm |
re: #318 cliffster
I would love to talk about snakes, but I don't want to freak out dear Hoops!
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:33:13pm |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:33:14pm |
re: #304 oaktree
Well, how about Cicadas?
Noisy, sorta ugly to look at. Occasional massive local outbreaks. But at least they go see us and go OM NOM NOM.
You should see our cat pepper go after crickets! She killed at least 3 dozen last spring, she whacks them with her paws till they're flat. We call her the "Intrepid Cricket Hunter". Found at least 1 a day all spring long. Funny furrbie!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:33:18pm |
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:33:45pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:34:08pm |
re: #304 oaktree
Well, how about Cicadas?
Noisy, sorta ugly to look at. Occasional massive local outbreaks. But at least they go see us and go OM NOM NOM.
We get the 17 year brood, well, every 17 years. The first time in my life they emerged, I was in high school. They were all over the place. The next time (about six years ago) there were quite a bit, not the massive amount we got the previous time.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:34:11pm |
re: #324 Cato the Elder
The perpetrator of that outrage against public mental health needs to be locked up and studied.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:34:34pm |
re: #318 cliffster
I went to get lunch, come back and we're still talking about insects. Geez.
Awww, are we bugging you?
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:34:40pm |
re: #319 Slap
You are correct - they are being found in even the best hotels. I always pull up the sheets and check the mattresses before even unpacking. They are visible to the naked eye, but it takes some looking.
And no, I haven't found any yet. *knocks wood*
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:34:50pm |
re: #306 Shiplord Kirel
I've gone major fatcat on y'all, with shades of oil potentate thrown in.
I bought a car.Yep, an honest-to-T.E. Lawrence Rolls-Royce of all things.
It smells like leather to most people but to me it smells like history- Lawrence cruising the desert shooting up Turks from his armored Silver Ghost, the scream of Merlins in the summer of 1940, etc.
This particular one is from 1969, before the bankruptcy and the aircraft engine division separation, let alone the take-over by theaccursed HunsGermans (VW first and now BMW).
Older, used RRs are actually pretty affordable but maintenance costs are something else again and you have to know both a competent mechanic and the market before you dive in.
PLUTOCRAT! OLIGARY!!1 ELEVENTY!11
//
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:35:14pm |
Okay...somehow, Netflix managed to send us a copy of "The Hangover"...neither my wife nor myself was all that interested in watching it, but we threw it on last night and figured we'd give it fifteen minutes (the guys gone wild movies always are pretty stupid, after all). Laughed our asses off. It takes the whole 'crap I did what?' thing to a new level. Gets predictable at the end, of course, but shit there were some funny scenes.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:36:02pm |
re: #302 BaseballMom57
Are you a Parseltongue, Mandy?
(sorry - Harry Potter reference.)
Muggles be warned!
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:36:08pm |
re: #311 Guanxi88
That's a beautiful machine, well done, well done indeed.
Many thanks. I've wanted one since I first became aware of what cars were.
The market is down just now and I am not getting any younger, so it was a good time. First order of business will be to get it to run on regular unleaded pump fuel without the altered timing and such used in its former residence of California. The latter process works but it reduces mileage to single figures. A much better solution entails swapping the pistons to reduce compression from 9/1 to the 7.3/1 ratio used in the 70s and 80s. This costs some power but 70s Silver Shadow seem quick enough so it probably isn't noticeable.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:36:17pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:36:21pm |
re: #325 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Club sandwich, BBQ chips and a Dr. Pepper
I did McDonalds. Gonna' do Subway tonight. Or, Mexican.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:18pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:28pm |
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:32pm |
re: #332 Dragon_Lady
Psst.... I bombed my own reference... should have been Parselmouth. :-)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:47pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:53pm |
re: #319 Slap
I would have used something stronger than "horrifying" if I ever experienced them myself.
Until a couple of years ago (when I first started hearing about them coming back here) I thought "bed bugs" were some kind of mythical things ("don't let the bed bugs bite.")
They're not disease vectors, at least not yet, but if they do they'll be even worse.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:55pm |
re: #333 Shiplord Kirel
Many thanks. I've wanted one since I first became aware of what cars were.
The market is down just now and I am not getting any younger, so it was a good time. First order of business will be to get it to run on regular unleaded pump fuel without the altered timing and such used in its former residence of California. The latter process works but it reduces mileage to single figures. A much better solution entails swapping the pistons to reduce compression from 9/1 to the 7.3/1 ratio used in the 70s and 80s. This costs some power but 70s Silver Shadow seem quick enough so it probably isn't noticeable.
I miss leaded premium. Pretty car, I concur. Got to drive a silver ghost for my sister's wedding (friend of my parents owned it). They are a treat.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:37:59pm |
re: #331 darthstar
Okay...somehow, Netflix managed to send us a copy of "The Hangover"...neither my wife nor myself was all that interested in watching it, but we threw it on last night and figured we'd give it fifteen minutes (the guys gone wild movies always are pretty stupid, after all). Laughed our asses off. It takes the whole 'crap I did what?' thing to a new level. Gets predictable at the end, of course, but shit there were some funny scenes.
We thought it was a big cut above the rest of the genre, too.
I heard one of them interviewed - they said that Tyson was so prepared and focused for his scenes that they rarely needed more than one take. They were calling him "one-take Tyson" because he kept nailing it.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:38:34pm |
re: #335 MandyManners
I did McDonalds. Gonna' do Subway tonight. Or, Mexican.
Had kimchee noodles with carnitas last night
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:38:41pm |
re: #329 BaseballMom57
I always try to avoid putting my luggage on the bedding in hotels, and then back on my own bedding back home to reduce the chances that something might join me back home.
The problems are pretty bad at NYC area hotels for some reason, though this report puts international travel and restrictions on certain pesticide use as a reason.
There's even a registry of hotels and motels where they're spotted (can't vouch for its accuracy - it's self reporting of bed bug sightings).
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:38:49pm |
Okay, I just gotta ask! What the heck are you guys trying to say when you use the following:
11
and:
(( ))
Would someone please explain it to a poor NOOB?
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:39:00pm |
re: #342 Aceofwhat?
We thought it was a big cut above the rest of the genre, too.
I heard one of them interviewed - they said that Tyson was so prepared and focused for his scenes that they rarely needed more than one take. They were calling him "one-take Tyson" because he kept nailing it.
The naked asian jumping out of the trunk had us rolling. Though they never did explain the chicken.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:39:37pm |
re: #345 Dragon_Lady
Okay, I just gotta ask! What the heck are you guys trying to say when you use the following:
11
and:
(( ))Would someone please explain it to a poor NOOB?
((hugs))
OMFG!!!11! (finger slipping off shift key)
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Slap Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:39:48pm |
re: #264 MandyManners
Well, I figured the point was how to get sleepy, not how to take your partner on an endless journey of quivery explodingnesses.
But I commend the direction of your thoughts, nonetheless.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:40:48pm |
re: #323 Dragon_Lady
My two cats hunted field crickets (larger and brown compared to the black house crickets). I mainly found a trail of legs eventually leading to the stranded hull that looked like a car left on cinder blocks. Glass spiders and daddy longlegs in the house got the same. Treated them as toys. However,when they caught moths of various sizes they were eaten. I even saw one of them catching and eating moths outdoors as well. Dietary supplement I guess.
The other "toy" insect were large beetles. Japanese beetles and May beetles (aka June bugs) for the most part. One of them saw and chased a large Tiger beetle once, but it got away.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:40:57pm |
re: #345 Dragon_Lady
Okay, I just gotta ask! What the heck are you guys trying to say when you use the following:
11
and:
(( ))Would someone please explain it to a poor NOOB?
Multiple parentheses around a name are hugs, (((DL))).
Multiple exclamation points with random "1s" mock excitable internet users!!!1!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:41:05pm |
re: #343 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Had kimchee noodles with carnitas last night
Oh, dudes and dudettes the food references are killing me! Arrgh!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:41:07pm |
re: #329 BaseballMom57
You are correct - they are being found in even the best hotels. I always pull up the sheets and check the mattresses before even unpacking. They are visible to the naked eye, but it takes some looking.
And no, I haven't found any yet. *knocks wood*
My brother knows an entomologist who keeps them for studies. Since they need human blood to feed on, he and his colleagues let them bite their arms when needed so they'll live.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:41:16pm |
re: #343 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Had kimchee noodles with carnitas last night
What's a kimchee noodle?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:41:58pm |
re: #346 darthstar
The naked asian jumping out of the trunk had us rolling. Though they never did explain the chicken.
Same guy is in the Community sitcom as a spanish teacher. Love him.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:42:08pm |
re: #343 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Had kimchee noodles with carnitas last night
Two great tastes that taste great together! an intercontinental delight
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:42:22pm |
re: #348 Slap
Well, I figured the point was how to get sleepy, not how to take your partner on an endless journey of quivery explodingnesses.
But I commend the direction of your thoughts, nonetheless.
Some say I have a dirty mind.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:42:33pm |
re: #350 Cato the Elder
Multiple parentheses around a name are hugs, (((DL))).
Multiple exclamation points with random "1s" mock excitable internet users!!!1!
Thank you ever so much for the explanation! I'll get internet savvy one of these days. Upding for you! :-)
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:42:42pm |
Irish dinner for me last night. Leftovers for lunch (three Guinnesses and a half-bottle of Jameson). Actually, I just brought the last of my leftover Lasagna for lunch (froze the rest). Do have Guinness and Jameson waiting patiently at home, however.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:43:13pm |
re: #353 MandyManners
What's a kimchee noodle?
Take some cabbage and bury it 3 feet in the ground. Come back a year later and dig it up. Kimchee!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:43:16pm |
re: #346 darthstar
The naked asian jumping out of the trunk had us rolling. Though they never did explain the chicken.
I loved when the valet brought the police cruiser to them. Hell, I loved every dang bit of that movie. Glad you watched it. I've told tons of my friends about it and so many haven't taken my fine advice yet.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:43:49pm |
re: #359 cliffster
Take some cabbage and bury it 3 feet in the ground. Come back a year later and dig it up. Kimchee!
How do you make a noodle out of it?
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:43:53pm |
re: #352 Mad Al-Jaffee
In a controlled environment such as that, I can understand that - I've never heard they can spread infection (although I would think they could), but I admit I haven't researched it much.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:44:26pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:44:27pm |
Story from my clan:
My largest hobby is actually art. I draw and paint and do photography.
A few months before my little sister got married, I was home and she came to ask my artistic opinion of which possible wedding dress I thought looked better.
She showed me two photographs of two lovely wedding dresses from two different magazines. I looked and then did a double take... I told her she was being funny.
She said "what!" genuinely upset.
I had honestly thought she was having a go at me. I said, aren't those dresses exactly the same?
She rolled her eyes in exasperation. The one in the first magazine was ivory colored and the one in the second magazine was antique bone.
Further, the second one, which she like a little better would necessitate buying different shoes. I pointed out that they were both full length dresses and that no one would see her feet and since she would be standing a lot, wouldn't it be a good idea to wear something comfortable even if the color would be different by two whole hertz if you looked at it with spectrum analyzer?
At that point my other sister and mother declared me hopeless.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:45:31pm |
re: #341 darthstar
I miss leaded premium. Pretty car, I concur. Got to drive a silver ghost for my sister's wedding (friend of my parents owned it). They are a treat.
I was a little concerned about it being too conspicuous in this part of the country but a while back I saw one in traffic and it didn't especially jump out at me despite my interest. It was designed to be understated visually, it isn't especially large, and it actually looks kind of like an old Volvo at a distance. This one has the retractable hood ornament to keep casual thieves at bay. This is standard for new RRs but is an add-on for old ones.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:45:46pm |
re: #335 MandyManners
I did McDonalds. Gonna' do Subway tonight. Or, Mexican.
Mmm, Subway:
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
Barbara Romero ate toasted chicken and onion teriyaki sandwiches from the Subway at 1009 E. Roosevelt Rd. in Lombard on Feb. 23 and Feb. 25, and started to feel sick on Feb. 27, according to the suit filed in DuPage County Circuit Court.Romero was hospitalized from Feb. 27 through March 2 because the sandwich was contaminated with Shigella sonnei -- a potentially lethal bacteria, according to a release from the Marler Clark law firm.
The DuPage County Health Dept. closed the Subway on March 4 after receiving multiple reports of “severe” gastrointestinal illness from patrons, according to the release.
Now you know the secret to the Subway diet, take a bite and you crap your brains out.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:46:06pm |
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Slap Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:46:25pm |
re: #356 MandyManners
Well, if we had been discussing something dirty, I might examine that assertion more closely.
Had I been discussing, say, vegetable prep, and you made a remark about something sexual, such a charge could stand, I suppose.
(Have a hard time with any notion that orgasms be dirty in any way....)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:46:36pm |
re: #336 Jeff In Ohio
3 words: Killer Cicada Wasp. As big as your thumb, burrows in the ground. Aggressive, but stingerless. They're my late July killing project.
I've seen them. Initial reaction is "monster yellowjacket! RUN!!!11!!!"
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:46:52pm |
re: #366 RogueOne
Now you know the secret to the Subway diet, take a bite and you crap your brains out.
Ok. Mexican.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:46:58pm |
re: #349 oaktree
My two cats hunted field crickets (larger and brown compared to the black house crickets). I mainly found a trail of legs eventually leading to the stranded hull that looked like a car left on cinder blocks. Glass spiders and daddy longlegs in the house got the same. Treated them as toys. However,when they caught moths of various sizes they were eaten. I even saw one of them catching and eating moths outdoors as well. Dietary supplement I guess.
The other "toy" insect were large beetles. Japanese beetles and May beetles (aka June bugs) for the most part. One of them saw and chased a large Tiger beetle once, but it got away.
I love it! Cats are such funny creatures. The best toy around here seems to be the plastic ring around the milk or orange juice jug. All three of our furrbies go nuts for them, but Pepper loves spiders and crickets. I won't let her go after the spiders, I don't need the vet bill if she gets bitten. Heavens only knows it the one shes playing with is venomous or not.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:47:06pm |
Don't click on this link if insects (especially huge ones) freak you out:
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:47:21pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:47:24pm |
re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote
Story from my clan:
My largest hobby is actually art. I draw and paint and do photography.
A few months before my little sister got married, I was home and she came to ask my artistic opinion of which possible wedding dress I thought looked better.
She showed me two photographs of two lovely wedding dresses from two different magazines. I looked and then did a double take... I told her she was being funny.
She said "what!" genuinely upset.
I had honestly thought she was having a go at me. I said, aren't those dresses exactly the same?
She rolled her eyes in exasperation. The one in the first magazine was ivory colored and the one in the second magazine was antique bone.
Further, the second one, which she like a little better would necessitate buying different shoes. I pointed out that they were both full length dresses and that no one would see her feet and since she would be standing a lot, wouldn't it be a good idea to wear something comfortable even if the color would be different by two whole hertz if you looked at it with spectrum analyzer?
At that point my other sister and mother declared me hopeless.
Men should say nothing about the dresses women wear for major occasions. The choice of such a dress is governed by emotional and fashion rules that men cannot understand.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:47:32pm |
re: #368 Slap
Well, if we had been discussing something dirty, I might examine that assertion more closely.
Had I been discussing, say, vegetable prep, and you made a remark about something sexual, such a charge could stand, I suppose.
(Have a hard time with any notion that orgasms be dirty in any way...)
I'm gonna' resist.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:48:03pm |
re: #365 Shiplord Kirel
Can you use airplane fuel? I read that in a book once, don't know if it's true.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:48:21pm |
re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, I completely agree with you! My M-I-L wanted me to get shoes (heels) to match my dress and I said, "uh, no. I'm buying comfortable flats in whatever color they come in." She was mortified. I didn't care - they were my feet!
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:48:50pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:49:13pm |
re: #372 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't click on this link if insects (especially huge ones) freak you out:
[Link: media.photobucket.com...]
Centipedes aren't insects. So, the squeamish among us can feel free to click!
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:49:17pm |
re: #360 Stanley Sea
I loved when the valet brought the police cruiser to them. Hell, I loved every dang bit of that movie. Glad you watched it. I've told tons of my friends about it and so many haven't taken my fine advice yet.
"Here you go, officers"...that was a great "What the fuck?" moment.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:49:32pm |
re: #377 BaseballMom57
Ludwig, I completely agree with you! My M-I-L wanted me to get shoes (heels) to match my dress and I said, "uh, no. I'm buying comfortable flats in whatever color they come in." She was mortified. I didn't care - they were my feet!
Is she a mother-in-law from hell?
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Slap Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:49:37pm |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:49:43pm |
re: #352 Mad Al-Jaffee
My brother knows an entomologist who keeps them for studies. Since they need human blood to feed on, he and his colleagues let them bite their arms when needed so they'll live.
Oh, now that's just gross! My tummy's just rolling at the thought!
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:49:45pm |
re: #370 MandyManners
Ok. Mexican.
Last night was my sis-n-laws birthday and she wanted mexican. Since I didn't get my corned beef I figure I'll hit a pub on cinco de mayo to even it all out.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:50:23pm |
re: #382 Slap
lol...that could be wise.
Such a
lubricatedslippery slope!
I'm always in the mood for puns.
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:50:28pm |
re: #333 Shiplord Kirel
Many thanks. I've wanted one since I first became aware of what cars were.
The market is down just now and I am not getting any younger, so it was a good time. First order of business will be to get it to run on regular unleaded pump fuel without the altered timing and such used in its former residence of California. The latter process works but it reduces mileage to single figures. A much better solution entails swapping the pistons to reduce compression from 9/1 to the 7.3/1 ratio used in the 70s and 80s. This costs some power but 70s Silver Shadow seem quick enough so it probably isn't noticeable.
why not just add lead..works on my oldies...Image: 210457_88ce3e2e.gif
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:50:51pm |
re: #384 RogueOne
Last night was my sis-n-laws birthday and she wanted mexican. Since I didn't get my corned beef I figure I'll hit a pub on cinco de mayo to even it all out.
You're a walking multi-culti machine!
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:51:13pm |
re: #376 Floral Giraffe
Can you use airplane fuel? I read that in a book once, don't know if it's true.
You can here in Texas, but not in California where the car was registered before. A friend of mine also has an old RR, a 1971 and he puts 100LL avgas in it. It's kind of a pain to take it to the airport for gas though and it appears that 100LL itself might not be available a lot longer.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:51:27pm |
re: #361 MandyManners
How do you make a noodle out of it?
Kimchee seasoning for the noodle soup base, with carnitas added into the mix
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:52:31pm |
I actually went to an Irish pub for lunch today instead of last night. There's one I really like right across the street from work. A good friend of mine works just a couple of blocks away, and that's where we usually meet for lunch (maybe 3-4 times a year.)
It was nice enough to sit outside, and this place has amazing fish and chips. It would have been better with a beer, but I behaved and just had water.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:52:34pm |
re: #381 MandyManners
Not really. But she was (and still is) WAY more into clothes/accessories than I am. I have a total of three pairs of shoes - white tennies, black tennies, and black flats (for work). My husband (God rest his soul) was the one who took up the whole walk-in closet. His mother taught him his love of clothes.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:53:21pm |
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martinsmithy Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:53:53pm |
As pernicious as the global warming denialists and anti-vaccination kooks in terms of denying scientific progress have been the anti Genetically Modified Foods zealots.
Well finally, the EU is not caving in to their hysteria: [Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:54:08pm |
re: #388 Shiplord Kirel
You can here in Texas, but not in California where the car was registered before. A friend of mine also has an old RR, a 1971 and he puts 100LL avgas in it. It's kind of a pain to take it to the airport for gas though and it appears that 100LL itself might not be available a lot longer.
it's also illegal to sell the 100LL for road use. Fed and state Tax reasons. but many small airports really don't pay much attention, especially in rural areas.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:54:16pm |
re: #371 Dragon_Lady
The "instant cat toy" is always preferred over something store bought because it is the thought that counts.
I once shifted my couch for cleaning/dusting and found a dozen paper balls and crumpled up Klondike bar wrappers. They made noise when batted around and thus were preferred over the standard plastic ball toys. (Which in my house where practice golf balls since I golfed at the time. The foam ones with a plastic core were liked since they could be picked up and tossed more easily by the cat.)
The most played with item in the house was an old sock that I poured dried catnip into and tied of the open end. Attacked repeatedly and wrestled with and clawed about. Had to make a second one since the two of them fought over the first one.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:54:21pm |
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:54:34pm |
You know what's good about Triscuits? They start out stale so they never "go stale" no matter how long you keep them on the shelf...
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:54:40pm |
re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote
Not hopeless, just a man. Your normal. I draw too, but my stuff is all abstract. Being an artist doesn't automatically make you and expert on color and stuff. :-)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:56:08pm |
President is speaking here tomorrow and I am excited. I would be even if I didn't vote for and like Obama. Way I see it. We've had forty three different guys as president and five during my life time so seeing one speak would be a honor in itself.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:58:13pm |
re: #396 oaktree
The "instant cat toy" is always preferred over something store bought because it is the thought that counts.
I once shifted my couch for cleaning/dusting and found a dozen paper balls and crumpled up Klondike bar wrappers. They made noise when batted around and thus were preferred over the standard plastic ball toys. (Which in my house where practice golf balls since I golfed at the time. The foam ones with a plastic core were liked since they could be picked up and tossed more easily by the cat.)
The most played with item in the house was an old sock that I poured dried catnip into and tied of the open end. Attacked repeatedly and wrestled with and clawed about. Had to make a second one since the two of them fought over the first one.
I had a big male cat named Bear that tore up one of those, Lord how he loved that thing! He left us about three years ago, I still miss him and his Mum. They were both 16 years old when they passed... Good but sad memories...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:58:18pm |
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:58:33pm |
re: #400 HappyWarrior
That's cool. I saw Clinton once. Quite the ruckus. Not to be morbid, but you'll never catch me in the same place as any president ever again. Not after that dud-grenade incident with Bush in Russia.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:59:30pm |
re: #394 martinsmithy
As pernicious as the global warming denialists and anti-vaccination kooks in terms of denying scientific progress have been the anti Genetically Modified Foods zealots.
Well finally, the EU is not caving in to their hysteria: [Link: www.usatoday.com...]
My biggest concern with GMO foods is that the seed companies patent the crops, and if cross-pollination occurs with someone's organic crops near-by, they can claim that the organic farmer now owes them for the cost of their seeds. And the whole 'termination gene' that makes it impossible to save seeds from year to year really pisses me off. That's why I only plant heirloom varieties...even though I don't harvest my own seeds.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 12:59:44pm |
re: #324 Cato the Elder
This also reminds me of another family story...
The little brother, when he was in medical school, took perverse glee in telling me of the latest truly wrath of G-d way to die that he had learned about.
I mean Clive Barker on acid stuff. The ability to gross out his older brother was too appealing.
Stuff like spiders that eat your face and mold that eats your eyes... worms that eat the ligatures in your gut, so you crap out a three foot length of your own intestines (complete with a picture of a guy on his hands and knees with a length of worm infested insides hanging out like a tail... it would be humorous if not for the expression on his face)... I mean really nasty stuff.
So one day he called with that voice he gets when he has a good one and he decided to tell me about caseous necrosis.
It was a challenge and all... So I manned up and prepared to hear of it.
He started by saying:
You know Latin and a little Greek, what do the words mean to you?
I say well necrosis is dying tissue.
Correct.
And caseous.. you mean like cheese? You mean cheesy dying tissue?
Very good dear brother!
So he goes into a molecular level discussion of how this is really nasty, and it just wasn't doing it for me that day. I said Sorry, compared to the spiders that eat your face, this really isn't so horrifying.
But but but if you could only consider what is going on at the cellular level! He protested.
Just at that point, I heard a knock on his door. It was the little sister coming to visit him. I suggested to him that even she would not be so horrified by it.
I heard him call her over and ask her to look at something. He was showing her a medical text.
I next heard shrieking... OMG WHAT IS THAT!?! OMG I AM GOING TO THROW UP!
The I heard his wife come into the room:
What? What's wrong?
The sister, in a voice of infinite woundedness says, no doubt with a quiver in her lip like a trembling silver screen heroine, "He showed me pictures of caseous necrosis..."
I then heard my little brother getting beaten by his wife and my little sister.
Ahh the joys of being an older brother...
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:00:05pm |
You know what kids, I'm tired. I'm going to go lay down for a while. BBL, Keep Laughing! :-)
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:00:13pm |
re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote
You fell for the classic Kobiyashi Maru from which there is no Kirk cheat. You cannot win, no matter how you answer the argument. The only question is how you want to lose - die well like a Klingon or with a whimper like a Ferengi.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:00:24pm |
re: #403 cliffster
That's cool. I saw Clinton once. Quite the ruckus. Not to be morbid, but you'll never catch me in the same place as any president ever again. Not after that dud-grenade incident with Bush in Russia.
I saw Reagan once when I was young, dumb, and full of...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:00:31pm |
re: #403 cliffster
That's cool. I saw Clinton once. Quite the ruckus. Not to be morbid, but you'll never catch me in the same place as any president ever again. Not after that dud-grenade incident with Bush in Russia.
I shook "Good" John McCain's hand in 2000. Closest I've ever come. Very casual scene on that campaign trail.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:03:08pm |
re: #377 BaseballMom57
Ludwig, I completely agree with you! My M-I-L wanted me to get shoes (heels) to match my dress and I said, "uh, no. I'm buying comfortable flats in whatever color they come in." She was mortified. I didn't care - they were my feet!
Good for you! Honestly, I would be completely turned on by that attitude. So would most men.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:03:24pm |
re: #336 Jeff In Ohio
Those flying tanks make my kids scream.
Gywneth Paltrow. If you click through, under "Make", there is a letter from Sir Paul about "Meatless Mondays", and some recipes.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:03:27pm |
re: #407 lawhawk
You fell for the classic Kobiyashi Maru from which there is no Kirk cheat. You cannot win, no matter how you answer the argument. The only question is how you want to lose - die well like a Klingon or with a whimper like a Ferengi.
So true.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:03:39pm |
re: #404 darthstar
My biggest concern with GMO foods is that the seed companies patent the crops, and if cross-pollination occurs with someone's organic crops near-by, they can claim that the organic farmer now owes them for the cost of their seeds. And the whole 'termination gene' that makes it impossible to save seeds from year to year really pisses me off. That's why I only plant heirloom varieties...even though I don't harvest my own seeds.
F1 hybrids have presented pretty much the same problem for many decades.
I very much doubt any claim to hybrid offspring would stand up in court. A more realistic concern is the spread of GM traits, like pesticide resistance, to wild offspring, and possibly to related weeds.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:04:14pm |
Didn't have any memories of him until I saw the notice:
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:05:22pm |
re: #413 SixDegrees
F1 hybrids have presented pretty much the same problem for many decades.
I very much doubt any claim to hybrid offspring would stand up in court. A more realistic concern is the spread of GM traits, like pesticide resistance, to wild offspring, and possibly to related weeds.
Well, there is an entire ecosystem to consider. Imagine what happens when a parasite adapts to the GMO product, and its off-spring become pesticide free. Then we'll have super-bugs wiping out the heartland. At least we'll still have Soylent Green.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:05:53pm |
re: #414 freetoken
Didn't have any memories of him until I saw the notice:
Aw...I loved watching Daniel Boone when I was a kid.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:05:59pm |
re: #403 cliffster
I've never seen any presidents, but I was at the second Bush innauguration. When I was a volunteer EMT they asked fire/ems departments from MD and VA to volunteer all day and night as a supplement to the DC and Federal staff. Three of us were on a night shift - something line 8 pm - 4 am. Didn't have to treat or transport anyone, but it was a pretty unique event. Never saw DC streets so empty, or that many cop cars on the road. We got to hang out at the Texas/Arkansas Ball. I was hoping to have drinks with Jenna and Barbara, but I guess they had left by then.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:06:43pm |
re: #405 LudwigVanQuixote
Do not read this book then...
My brother remarked that it gave him bad dreams for a few days. (Nothing like a photographic plate showing the variety of head forms for tapeworms.)
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:06:47pm |
re: #407 lawhawk
You fell for the classic Kobiyashi Maru from which there is no Kirk cheat. You cannot win, no matter how you answer the argument. The only question is how you want to lose - die well like a Klingon or with a whimper like a Ferengi.
When in doubt, attack.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:07:16pm |
re: #399 Dragon_Lady
Not hopeless, just a man. Your normal. I draw too, but my stuff is all abstract. Being an artist doesn't automatically make you and expert on color and stuff. :-)
I never claimed I was an expert on such things. She asked me!
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:07:31pm |
re: #417 Mad Al-Jaffee
You were hoping to be on a YouTube video gettin' nekkid with Jenna and Barbara...you would've been famous.
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avanti Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:07:44pm |
re: #409 Stanley Sea
I shook "Good" John McCain's hand in 2000. Closest I've ever come. Very casual scene on that campaign trail.
He gave a talk to my 20 sailor Electronics Tech division across the river from the naval academy in the early 70's. I liked him enough to want to vote for him as POTUS until he started pandering to the religious right.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:08:24pm |
re: #418 oaktree
Do not read this book then...
My brother remarked that it gave him bad dreams for a few days. (Nothing like a photographic plate showing the variety of head forms for tapeworms.)
Yeah, things like that have created my no jungles for me policy.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:08:56pm |
re: #410 LudwigVanQuixote
**blushes** Thank you!
During our wonderful marriage, my husband loved telling me that his friends would say, "Good grief man, where did you find her, and did they make more?" or various similar comments. That was his favorite, though.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:09:41pm |
Everyone remember the movie Creep Show? And the segment with the germphobic guy and the cockroaches?
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:11:01pm |
re: #415 darthstar
Well, there is an entire ecosystem to consider. Imagine what happens when a parasite adapts to the GMO product, and its off-spring become pesticide free. Then we'll have super-bugs wiping out the heartland. At least we'll still have Soylent Green.
A more immediate problem is that caused by the very introduction of pesticide resistant plants - they encourage a large increase in the use of pesticides.
It seems wiser to use the promise of genetic manipulation to develop more targeted pesticides that affect only the species of interest, rather than a broad spectrum of bystanders.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:11:15pm |
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:11:38pm |
Not enough to make a real help to the state books:
S.C. Gov. Mark Sanford to pay $74K in ethics fines
South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford has agreed to pay $74,000 to settle charges that his travel and campaign spending violated state ethics laws.
[...]Under a consent agreement signed Thursday, Sanford doesn't admit guilt but does not contest the charges either.
Sanford gets off easy, no jail time. Yet some low level pol in Texastan gets caught with a couple ozs of MJ in his pocket and serves 35 years in prison.
Justice in America?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:12:21pm |
Time for me to go. I hope you all don't bug each other while I'm gone.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:12:35pm |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
Everyone remember the movie Creep Show? And the segment with the germphobic guy and the cockroaches?
Yeah, but I like the creature under the stairs segment better.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:12:39pm |
Chicago man enters guilty plea on multiple terror counts.
It's a laundry list of mayhem and murder:
The 49-year-old Headley says in the agreement that Pakistan-based terrorist leader Ilyas Kashmiri wanted the severed heads thrown from the newspaper office to send a message.The newspaper offended many Muslims by publishing a dozen cartoons in 2005 depicting the Prophet Muhammad.
Headley also admitted he helped scout out the Indian city of Mumbai before a 2008 terrorist attack there that left 166 people dead.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:14:13pm |
re: #431 lawhawk
Chicago man enters guilty plea on multiple terror counts.
It's a laundry list of mayhem and murder:
Good. Now that piece of shit will be moved out my city (I don't live in Chicago these days, but it's always been 'my city') and shipped off to Marion, where he belongs.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:14:34pm |
I'm in Heaven.. finally College Basketball Championships (oh the madness)
is here.. There were 2 OT games in the first 3 games today.. There were only 2 OT games last year during the Big Dance...
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:15:06pm |
I got to ask a question to Chuck Hagel once in his Senate office. That was really neat. He seemed real down to earth too. The most amazing experience though was that same year with my political science class meeting Bruce Laingen who had been one of the hostages in Tehran in 1979. If Ahmadinjad had been president then I would have asked him about the rumors that Ahmadinjad was one of the hostage takers. Have heard conflicting reports on that from former hostages in the papers.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:15:10pm |
End of the work day for me folks. Headed here to meet a friend and have a beer (or two).
Stay scaly!
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:16:26pm |
Did everyone see the story yesterday about the jogger getting hit by an airplane making an emergency landing on a beach in Hilton Head? If you jog, don't wear headphones otherwise you might not hear the plane falling out of the sky:
[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]
Hilton Head Island, United States - Pharmaceutical salesman Robert Gary Jones, an employee of GlaxoSmithKline had a business trip turn deadly on Monday. He was jogging on the beach while listening to his iPod when a kit-built single-engine plane was gliding down for an emergency landing on a beach.According to aviation expert Mary Schiavo, a former inspector general for the National Transportation Safety Board, "There's no noise. So the jogger, with his ear buds in, and the plane without an engine, you're basically a stealth aircraft. Who would expect to look up?"
The pilot was overwhelmed by the incident, "I've got a lot of issues going on right now," Smith said. "I've got a plane that's all torn up. And I've got a young man that I killed."
Nice of the guy to mention his plane being damaged first.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:18:06pm |
re: #433 HoosierHoops
I'm in Heaven.. finally College Basketball Championships (oh the madness)
is here.. There were 2 OT games in the first 3 games today.. There were only 2 OT games last year during the Big Dance...
and ND is already out. Go Butler!
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subsailor68 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:19:23pm |
re: #430 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah, but I like the creature under the stairs segment better.
LOL! One of the best lines in the movie:
"Just ask it to call you Billie, you bitch!"
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:19:35pm |
Kucinich is helping whip up votes for HCR...you go, little man!
It's not just progressives he's targeting to keep in the fold, it's everyone, a top Democratic aide told me. Members know that Kucinich - a staunch antiwar liberal long in favor of a single-payer system and often going out on a limb with his own agenda - is setting aside deep ideology to help get something passed. "It's a totally new dynamic. People are realizing he's doing it for history," the aide said.
Yep...His-to-ry.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:19:59pm |
re: #433 HoosierHoops
I'm in Heaven.. finally College Basketball Championships (oh the madness)
is here.. There were 2 OT games in the first 3 games today.. There were only 2 OT games last year during the Big Dance...
I still say it would more be fun if the allowed obstacles and machinegun nests to be part of the game.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:20:01pm |
re: #413 SixDegrees
F1 hybrids have presented pretty much the same problem for many decades.
I very much doubt any claim to hybrid offspring would stand up in court. A more realistic concern is the spread of GM traits, like pesticide resistance, to wild offspring, and possibly to related weeds.
Which is no different than a trait that has been bred into a plant, rather than inserted...
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:20:47pm |
So, underwriters liked the letter. Now, two more hoops to jump through, and maybe, just maybe, we won't be sleeping in the moving van.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:20:57pm |
re: #438 subsailor68
LOL! One of the best lines in the movie:
"Just ask it to call you Billie, you bitch!"
When he daydreamed about shooting her in the head and the whole party golf clapped.
"Nice shooting."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:21:42pm |
re: #442 Guanxi88
So, underwriters liked the letter. Now, two more hoops to jump through, and maybe, just maybe, we won't be sleeping in the moving van.
Good luck Guanxi. You should get through this just fine.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:22:33pm |
I'm going to be a grandfather...today
soon come
yikes!
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:22:55pm |
re: #441 Aceofwhat?
Which is no different than a trait that has been bred into a plant, rather than inserted...
Oh, I agree - I see no difference between genetic manipulation and plain old breeding, which is...genetic manipulation. But GM does broaden the range of what can be manipulated, such as pesticide resistance, and that comes with some additional risks and problems.
There are other avenues where genetics may play a better role.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:22:58pm |
re: #433 HoosierHoops
I'm in Heaven.. finally College Basketball Championships (oh the madness)
is here.. There were 2 OT games in the first 3 games today.. There were only 2 OT games last year during the Big Dance...
Later, Irish! Guess St. Patrick wasn't looking out for them-
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:23:29pm |
re: #444 Dark_Falcon
Good luck Guanxi. You should get through this just fine.
Hey, I'm a guy, so I can roll with more or less anything that comes down the pike. My Bitter Half, though, is a nervous wreck.
Wants to know why I'm not more sympathetic to her stress-fests.
"Look, not only do I have to deal with this, that, and the other thing, keep my two gigs going, and all the rest of it, but I also gotta live with you. Have some pity and give me some quiet, whydoncha?"
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:23:35pm |
re: #445 albusteve
I'm going to be a grandfather...today
soon come
yikes!
Congratulations. "The reason grandparents and grandchildren get along so well is that they share a common enemy." --Mark Twain.
I'm happy for you. Seriously.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:23:39pm |
re: #442 Guanxi88
Glad they responded positively. Once they get docs out, you're cool.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:23:49pm |
Villanova almost lost to Robert Morris. I normally wouldn't care about Nova but Scottie Reynolds went to high school with me and put our high school on the map. Though normally I'd root for the upset and Morris is I believe in Pittsburgh and I like seeing Pittsburgh schools do well since my family/s from there originally and my grandfather and godmother were Pitt alums.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:23:53pm |
My guys are back so I can finally get out of here. Cya later folks.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:24:01pm |
re: #440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I still say it would more be fun if the allowed obstacles and machinegun nests to be part of the game.
I think Vandy may lose it's game against Murray State with 6 minutes left...
They look exhausted and the legs must be burning with pain..
I like the speed of Murray State in transition..
I picked Vandy..Come on boys! Man up!
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:24:13pm |
re: #445 albusteve
I'm going to be a grandfather...today
soon come
yikes!
The best days are the days that babies are born!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:24:40pm |
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:24:58pm |
re: #445 albusteve
I'm going to be a grandfather...today
soon come
yikes!
Tell your kid to cross her legs for three more days...then you'll have an Aries!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:24:59pm |
I still can't believe Mason lost in the CIT. I hadn't even heard of that before I found out we were in it. Keep an eye on Mason next year though. Their nucleus is young and they only have one graduating senior this year in Birdsong.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:25:39pm |
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:25:59pm |
re: #449 darthstar
Congratulations. "The reason grandparents and grandchildren get along so well is that they share a common enemy." --Mark Twain.
I'm happy for you. Seriously.
thanks...really, I need to catch a break and find some joy in my life
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:26:38pm |
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:27:23pm |
re: #445 albusteve
Grampas are so important. I'm sure the little one will be your treasure.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:28:19pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:28:22pm |
re: #457 HappyWarrior
I still can't believe Mason lost in the CIT. I hadn't even heard of that before I found out we were in it. Keep an eye on Mason next year though. Their nucleus is young and they only have one graduating senior this year in Birdsong.
George Mason was one of the greatest Cinderella stories of all time a few years ago..
Came out of nowhere
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:28:23pm |
re: #461 BaseballMom57
Grampas are so important. I'm sure the little one will be your treasure.
Ain't that the truth. My folks raised me, my grandparents inspired me.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:28:58pm |
re: #420 LudwigVanQuixote
I never claimed I was an expert on such things. She asked me!
Yeah I realize that, but being an artist she automatically thinks you are an expert! It's just how girls think. Gonna go lay back down now. BBL
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:29:13pm |
re: #446 SixDegrees
Oh, I agree - I see no difference between genetic manipulation and plain old breeding, which is...genetic manipulation. But GM does broaden the range of what can be manipulated, such as pesticide resistance, and that comes with some additional risks and problems.
There are other avenues where genetics may play a better role.
Fine points!
Focusing on the potential risk of the expected trait rather than the method by which the trait is developed would at least get us to a reasonable discussion on the topic. The cretins with the 'FRANKENFOODS' signs aren't helping...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:29:14pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:29:49pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
I bet Liebermann wouldn't have any problem attending sessions on the Sabbath?
That came up when he was running for Veep. He stated that in the event of an important vote he would stay nearby and walk over.
Most Christians do not observe the technicalities of Shabbat, though.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:30:08pm |
re: #463 HoosierHoops
George Mason was one of the greatest Cinderella stories of all time a few years ago..
Came out of nowhere
Yep and I've met and interviewed Coach L before. Real nice guy too. They made the final four before I transferred in here but my roommate was a freshman when it happened. Said it was a crazy time to be here. I bet.
| 470 |
MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:30:22pm |
My pear tree's buds are getting bigger and bigger. I can even see a bit of the blooms that are about to erupt.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:31:05pm |
thanks to all...
I've already laid claim to the rascal...he's named after me...dig that
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:31:39pm |
re: #460 albusteve
thanks...I'm officially old now
I discovered that I was officially old in the physics dept.
I was talking with a friend in his office when the summer girls physics program went giggling by. It's a program to get more young women interested in science and is aimed at high school girls. It's a great program.
I looked at my friend and said.
"That's it, I am officially old."
He asked why?
I said, "I can remember a time when I would see a bunch of teenaged girls dressed in so little and be quite happy about it."
Now the first thoughts that went through my mind were:
Didn't you just learn to walk? Does your mother know you dress like that?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:32:09pm |
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:32:15pm |
I'm so happy I could cry.
I got the an portable internet turbo stick today in the mail. Been stuck with dial up here for two years.
Had a bit of problem installing it but got the glitches worked out and connected to the net.
No more freaking Dial-up. This network is so fast. Pages load in a split second. A photo that took me ten minutes to download before took 6 seconds.
Woo!
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:32:16pm |
re: #463 HoosierHoops
George Mason was one of the greatest Cinderella stories of all time a few years ago..
Came out of nowhere
the Lobos have the Montana Griz tonight...who the hell are those guys?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:32:31pm |
re: #471 albusteve
thanks to all...
I've already laid claim to the rascal...he's named after me...dig that
That's a high honor. We named our son for my father in law and my grandfather.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:33:10pm |
re: #474 brookly red
/and sent in your ways ;)
Congratulations
I used to be more flexible, before I realized I don't know much
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:33:37pm |
re: #471 albusteve
thanks to all...
I've already laid claim to the rascal...he's named after me...dig that
They named their baby Albusteve?
*wink*
/congratulations
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:33:53pm |
re: #475 Jadespring
I'm so happy I could cry.
I got the an portable internet turbo stick today in the mail. Been stuck with dial up here for two years.
Had a bit of problem installing it but got the glitches worked out and connected to the net.
No more freaking Dial-up. This network is so fast. Pages load in a split second. A photo that took me ten minutes to download before took 6 seconds.
Woo!
did you have to promise the other half that you'd resist online gaming, though?!?
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:34:12pm |
re: #472 LudwigVanQuixote
Those are my first thoughts for other reasons - I'm raising two young men, and their eyeballs are assaulted with those tantalizing images on a daily basis!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:34:27pm |
re: #100 mj
AP decides Israel's capital is Tel Aviv:
Clinton calls Israel rift a challenge
MOSCOW – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has described a rift with Israel over a Jerusalem construction project as a challenge, avoiding criticism of Tel Aviv...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Haven't they always done that?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:35:34pm |
re: #479 HoosierHoops
They named their baby Albusteve?
*wink*
/congratulations
what about if it's Albustevea ?
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:35:56pm |
re: #475 Jadespring
I'm so happy I could cry.
I got the an portable internet turbo stick today in the mail. Been stuck with dial up here for two years.
Had a bit of problem installing it but got the glitches worked out and connected to the net.
No more freaking Dial-up. This network is so fast. Pages load in a split second. A photo that took me ten minutes to download before took 6 seconds.
Woo!
You're going to miss this sound:
I actually set that as the ringtone on my mobile phone for a while. It was a real head-turner.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:36:06pm |
re: #459 albusteve
Congratulations, babies bring much joy. You can look for family members in their faces.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:37:58pm |
re: #481 BaseballMom57
Those are my first thoughts for other reasons - I'm raising two young men, and their eyeballs are assaulted with those tantalizing images on a daily basis!
To be completely fair and honest, if you dealing with teen aged boys, nothing and I do mean nothing is going to stop them from thinking about such things. Young women could wear burkas, and it would not make a difference to teen aged boys.
My respectful advice is to teach them about responsibility and cause and effect. The biggest deterrent to just playing around is the thought of the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:38:03pm |
I was named after both grandfathers myself. Thinking about doing the same if I ever marry and have a son. I've never met anyone with my middle name, Howard both as a first or middle name. Guess that makes sense. It's an old school name. I do like the practice of naming people after relatives all said. I like traditional names though.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:38:13pm |
re: #486 prairiefire
Congratulations, babies bring much joy. You can look for family members in their faces.
#2 daughter has my grandmother's face, my great grandmother's nose. #1 daughter has my forehead; #1 son has my grandfather's eyes and mouth.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:38:33pm |
re: #485 darthstar
You're going to miss this sound:
[Video]I actually set that as the ringtone on my mobile phone for a while. It was a real head-turner.
LOL. The cool thing is that now I can actually download that MP3 to hear what you're talking about!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:39:06pm |
re: #155 cliffster
They don't have leprosy though. That's an old wives tale.
Kinky Friedman has been heard to hope that there is an alternative universe somewhere where big, intelligent armadillos scoop out humans' innards and dry them for novelty baskets.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:39:12pm |
re: #414 freetoken
Didn't have any memories of him until I saw the notice:
Looks like he had quite a successful life when he retired from show business after the "Davy Crockett" craze.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:39:48pm |
re: #480 Aceofwhat?
did you have to promise the other half that you'd resist online gaming, though?!?
LOL. He just said, okay dear I know its fast but please keep your downloads in check cause we don't want to go over the limit.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:39:51pm |
re: #489 Guanxi88
#2 daughter has my grandmother's face, my great grandmother's nose. #1 daughter has my forehead; #1 son has my grandfather's eyes and mouth.
Kids sound like they're still missing a few parts.
/
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:40:12pm |
re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist
That came up when he was running for Veep. He stated that in the event of an important vote he would stay nearby and walk over.
Most Christians do not observe the technicalities of Shabbat, though.
He has done that for many important Senate votes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:40:21pm |
re: #165 Guanxi88
Lord help you if your motorcycle hits a 'dillo. It's curtains.
Doesn't do the armadillo a whole hell of a lot of good either.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:40:33pm |
re: #491 SanFranciscoZionist
Kinky Friedman has been heard to hope that there is an alternative universe somewhere where big, intelligent armadillos scoop out humans' innards and dry them for novelty baskets.
Ha! I sent an armadillo from a taxidermist here to a business colleague in China. What he wanted with it, I have no idea, but it made his day when it arrived. Talk about a nightmare, though, customs was ALL OVER than package from the word go.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:41:19pm |
re: #494 darthstar
Kids sound like they're still missing a few parts.
/
Well, the Wife's family has made their own contributions, but I'm terrible with names. They all look about the same, to me.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:42:59pm |
re: #487 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh, I completely agree, and I am doing my very best. I'd just like to slap the parents of these young women silly - they are demeaning their daughters by allowing them to dress as they do... we'd best not get me started on that rant!
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:43:37pm |
re: #498 Guanxi88
Well, the Wife's family has made their own contributions, but I'm terrible with names. They all look about the same, to me.
could be awkward if she has sisters, no?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:44:06pm |
re: #499 BaseballMom57
Oh, I completely agree, and I am doing my very best. I'd just like to slap the parents of these young women silly - they are demeaning their daughters by allowing them to dress as they do... we'd best not get me started on that rant!
Feel free to rant a little. It's an open thread.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:44:09pm |
On the naming of the son, we had to compromise. "Shlomo" she told me, was right out, even as a middle name....
(I almost got her to name him James Tiberias, but couldn't keep a straight face long enough to be able to pull it off.)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:44:14pm |
murray state! one point lead, two seconds left! L8tr Vandy!
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:44:38pm |
OMG Murray State beat Vandy with a last second shot!
I need a beer...what a game!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:44:59pm |
re: #500 brookly red
could be awkward if she has sisters, no?
I go by height, and, so far as I can tell, she's only got a brother. Still, they're an oddly homogeneous lookin' bunch.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:45:18pm |
As expected, the atavists are widening their attack on science:
Questions Swirl Around U.N.'s Climate Auditors
A little-known group called the InterAcademy Council has been made the voice of authority on the credibility of climate change, leaving critics scratching their heads -- and some key questions unanswered.
[...]
The IAC was founded in 2000 as an advisory body for the U.N. and the World Bank. Hosted by the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences in the Netherlands, the organization's Web site indicates that it focuses on a range of issues, from examining "climate change and genetically modified organisms to the crucial challenge of achieving sustainability."
But in the decade it has existed, the IAC has accomplished little relevant to climate change -- the four major reports it has produced have focused on topics ranging from African agriculture to the role of women in science -- leading some experts to voice concerns that its review ultimately will be a whitewash, designed to silence them and provide cover for politicians.
"I've never heard of the group," Howard Hayden, editor and publisher of the Energy Advocate newsletter, told FoxNews.com.
The Energy Advocate Newsletter? It's a site that promotes books such as "Questioning Einstein: Is Relativity Necessary?" (which is a book that attacks the physics of special and general relativity.)
Fox "News" has wandered straight into Art Bell's Dreamland.
Let's continue with the Fox article:
He [Hayden] cited the first sentence from the IAC's 2007 report, "Toward a Sustainable Energy Future," which states that "achieving a sustainable energy future presents an urgent challenge for the 21st century. Current patterns of energy resources and energy usage are proving detrimental to the long-term welfare of humanity."
"From that much, I doubt we can expect objectivity," Hayden said.
Objectivity? A complaint from an author, Hayden, who promotes his own book on CO2 and climate change that promotes psuedoscience? Did "Fair and balanced" Fox tell you that?
Let's continue on:
"Like so many things, the devil is in the details," said Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, a professor of geology at Western Washington University and a noted commentator on global warming. "The only way to evaluate whether or not this is just another whitewashing job or a real bona fide review will be a look at the final makeup of the evaluating panel."If the IAC's panel of scientists is composed of people who already believe that global warming is manmade, "then the review is a foregone conclusion and worthless," Easterbrook said.
Easterbrook says this because he is on the Heartland Institute's gravy-train of AGW-science-denialism conferences. Did Faux bother to tell its readers of Easterbrooks own well known biases?
More from the Faux article:
Leading European scientist and former Harvard University physicist Lubos Motl sees the IAC as something of an "umbrella group" for various national academies of science across the globe.
Motl has authored a paper on string theory with one of the leaders of the IAC, and believes that he is "personally independent" of the U.N.'s control. But he too worries that other group members chosen for the panel may not be so independent.
Does Faux tell you that Motl is a notorious AGW denier, or that his own history in Physics is riddled with controversial statements?
BTW, the Interacademy Council is not the secret or notorious organization Faux presents - their website is easily found.
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:46:11pm |
Hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs are being shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.
snip
The brouhaha between Washington and Israel felt to me like a staged event. I thought maybe Washington was looking for an excuse to badger Israel.
But maybe Washington is pandering to the Arab world for a completely different reason.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:49:25pm |
re: #507 filetandrelease
snip
The brouhaha between Washington and Israel felt to me like a staged event. I thought maybe Washington was looking for an excuse to badger Israel.
But maybe Washington is pandering to the Arab world for a completely different reason.
I've been wondering the same thing.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:51:18pm |
re: #507 filetandrelease
snip
The brouhaha between Washington and Israel felt to me like a staged event. I thought maybe Washington was looking for an excuse to badger Israel.
But maybe Washington is pandering to the Arab world for a completely different reason.
one never knows...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:51:28pm |
re: #507 filetandrelease
[Link: www.heraldscotland.com...]
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:54:25pm |
re: #510 MandyManners
[Link: www.heraldscotland.com...]
/Gee, maybe some congress person said they would vote for the HCR bill if he took out Iran?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:55:46pm |
re: #411 prairiefire
Those flying tanks make my kids scream.
Gywneth Paltrow. If you click through, under "Make", there is a letter from Sir Paul about "Meatless Mondays", and some recipes.
Monday is Ground Beef Night.
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:56:11pm |
Almost 200 2000lb bunker busters already unloaded. The mullahs are putting there great country and people in a dangerous situation.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:56:22pm |
re: #445 albusteve
I'm going to be a grandfather...today
soon come
yikes!
Congratulations!! Grandchildren are the big pay-off. It's fascinating to engage in the time-honored grandparent practice of looking for earlier generations in their faces or traits.
My granddaughter, now 4 years old, is like a little clone of her mom. My 9 year old grandson is more like his father but he has exactly the same rather unusual dark shade of red-brown hair that I have (albeit sparsely these days). He is the only other person I have ever seen who had that hair color.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:57:01pm |
re: #492 Alouette
Looks like he had quite a successful life when he retired from show business after the "Davy Crockett" craze.
I got into the very backend of the D Crockett gig....I actually had a coonskin cap...and it led to a lifelong interest in his life and the other frontiersmen...still have it, and a towering admiration for that man
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:58:26pm |
re: #513 filetandrelease
Almost 200 2000lb bunker busters already unloaded. The mullahs are putting there great country and people in a dangerous situation.
/might just change the meaning of March Maddness forever...
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:59:19pm |
re: #515 albusteve
I got into the very backend of the D Crockett gig...I actually had a coonskin cap...and it led to a lifelong interest in his life and the other frontiersmen...still have it, and a towering admiration for that man
They don't make 'em like that any more.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 1:59:59pm |
re: #502 Guanxi88
On the naming of the son, we had to compromise. "Shlomo" she told me, was right out, even as a middle name...
(I almost got her to name him James Tiberias, but couldn't keep a straight face long enough to be able to pull it off.)
Yeah, my husband has ruled out 'Shlomo'. Also names with chets in them, since he can't pronounce them.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:00:44pm |
re: #513 filetandrelease
Almost 200 2000lb bunker busters already unloaded. The mullahs are putting there great country and people in a dangerous situation.
They won't back off. We'd actually have to kill some top mullahs before they'd pay attention. Otherwise they'll go on thinking we're going to do nothing.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:01:21pm |
re: #517 cliffster
They don't make 'em like that any more.
Johnny Appleseed, of all people. Big local frontier hero, and for the industrial age, John Henry (to whose statue we schoolkids made a pilgrimage one year)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:01:39pm |
oh, congratulations a-steve. Grandkids are the awesome.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:02:13pm |
re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, my husband has ruled out 'Shlomo'. Also names with chets in them, since he can't pronounce them.
I told her that if Yiddish was out, by jove, Cajun names were out, too. We reached an uneasy truce on the matter.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:02:56pm |
re: #514 Shiplord Kirel
Congratulations!! Grandchildren are the big pay-off. It's fascinating to engage in the time-honored grandparent practice of looking for earlier generations in their faces or traits.
My granddaughter, now 4 years old, is like a little clone of her mom. My 9 year old grandson is more like his father but he has exactly the same rather unusual dark shade of red-brown hair that I have (albeit sparsely these days). He is the only other person I have ever seen who had that hair color.
thanks Ship...I'm lookin to do regularly scheduled trips north to keep track of that stuff...I'll bet he looks like me
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:03:02pm |
re: #519 Dark_Falcon
They won't back off. We'd actually have to kill some top mullahs before they'd pay attention. Otherwise they'll go on thinking we're going to do nothing.
others have made that mistake before...
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:03:59pm |
re: #520 Guanxi88
Johnny appleseed was a damn prog!
Also, he thought he was gonna marry to angels when he got to heaven, so he had to be chaste in this world.
~~~
Really cool, interesting guy. He did amazing good (except for the ragweed). Also interestingly crazy :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:04:05pm |
re: #522 Guanxi88
I told her that if Yiddish was out, by jove, Cajun names were out, too. We reached an uneasy truce on the matter.
How about combo names? "Blansh" was popular in the Ashkenazi world, as was 'Dolce'.
Or you call her Aidel, and she calls her Adele...
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:04:07pm |
re: #516 brookly red
/might just change the meaning of March Maddness forever...
I wish this stuff was not public knowledge tho....a sucker punch is always the best way
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:04:13pm |
re: #519 Dark_Falcon
re: #513 filetandrelease
re: #510 MandyManners
I just do not understand how the Norks can build and test nuclear weapons twice and not get hit. But Iran may get hit before they even build one? I think we are all missing some big piece of the puzzle. In fact I call bullshit on this one. Otherwise there would be a bunch of these same weapons sent to Guam.
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:04:14pm |
re: #519 Dark_Falcon
They won't back off. We'd actually have to kill some top mullahs before they'd pay attention. Otherwise they'll go on thinking we're going to do nothing.
Sometimes I wish Ford hadn't signed that silly "no assassination" order.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:04:15pm |
re: #522 Guanxi88
I told her that if Yiddish was out, by jove, Cajun names were out, too. We reached an uneasy truce on the matter.
What about Thibodyahu?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:05:40pm |
re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist
How about combo names? "Blansh" was popular in the Ashkenazi world, as was 'Dolce'.
Or you call her Aidel, and she calls her Adele...
re: #530 Walter L. Newton
What about Thibodyahu?
WE did one better - all (except for #1 daughter, who carries an odd name from Wife's family) have got WASPY names. Ha! Ha! They'll slip right in; no one will ever know who the REALLY ARE!
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:05:58pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
Its relatively safe to hit Iran, and anybody who attacks them gets a huge amount of free popularity.
Mess with North Korea, and you have to worry about a) china getting pisst, b) them deciding 'ok lets invade the south'.
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:07:08pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
I think the Norks saving grace is that they aren't actively exporting terror and aggression.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:07:41pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
There is quite a bit of controversy over the supposed NK nuke tests. Some people claim evidence points to the explosions being faked. In other words, simple (but very large) chemical explosions laced with radioactive material.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:07:54pm |
re: #517 cliffster
They don't make 'em like that any more.
no they don't...I always get the chills thinking about the circumstances at the Alamo, and the fact he and the rest knew they were done in...and he just did it without being asked or for any reason other than the principle of the thing...he and those guys embody the American spirit
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:07:56pm |
re: #533 filetandrelease
I think the Norks saving grace is that they aren't actively exporting terror and aggression.
Aren't they arming Hamas/Hizb'allah?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:08:15pm |
re: #531 Guanxi88
WE did one better - all (except for #1 daughter, who carries an odd name from Wife's family) have got WASPY names. Ha! Ha! They'll slip right in; no one will ever know who the REALLY ARE!
(course, this is Texas; you've got guys with Bohemian and Irish names who speak Spanish as a first language, so names, as I've learned, are nothing to go by.)
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:08:35pm |
re: #527 albusteve
I wish this stuff was not public knowledge tho...a sucker punch is always the best way
could be a diversion... or just head games... could be anything.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:09:05pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
re: #513 filetandrelease
re: #510 MandyMannersI just do not understand how the Norks can build and test nuclear weapons twice and not get hit. But Iran may get hit before they even build one? I think we are all missing some big piece of the puzzle. In fact I call bullshit on this one. Otherwise there would be a bunch of these same weapons sent to Guam.
We put up defensive missiles in four nations within the last two or so months.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:10:12pm |
re: #521 cliffster
oh, congratulations a-steve. Grandkids are the awesome.
that's what I'm thinkin...in a few short years he'll be spending time with me in the NM outback
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:10:13pm |
re: #533 filetandrelease
I think the Norks saving grace is that they aren't actively exporting terror and aggression.
true, theye do like to keep it in the family...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:10:19pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
re: #513 filetandrelease
re: #510 MandyMannersI just do not understand how the Norks can build and test nuclear weapons twice and not get hit. But Iran may get hit before they even build one? I think we are all missing some big piece of the puzzle. In fact I call bullshit on this one. Otherwise there would be a bunch of these same weapons sent to Guam.
it may be BS, but have the Norks stated a goal to wipe other countries off the map?
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:10:27pm |
re: #539 MandyManners
~Which is still substantially more mild than ANY of our responses to Iran.
Plus we're putting up missile shields around Iran too, and threatening to do this, and this is well before any tests were done.
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:10:36pm |
re: #536 MandyManners
Aren't they arming Hamas/Hizb'allah?
They do export weapons and may be, but Hamas/Hizb'allah aren't their proxy armies. (i don't mean to be obvious)
IMO, Iran posses a much greater threat.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:11:13pm |
Mad mad world update:
Retired general links gays in army to genocide
A retired U.S. general says Dutch troops failed to defend against the 1995 genocide in the Bosnian war because the army was weakened, partly because it included openly gay soldiers.The comment by John Sheehan, a former NATO commander who retired from the military 1997, shocked some at a Senate Armed Services Committee, where Sheehan spoke in opposition to a proposal to allow gays to serve openly in the U.S. military. Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin told Sheehan he was "totally off-target."
Sheehan failed to make any logical connection between gay soldiers and the Srebrenica massacre. He considers acceptance of homosexuals as part of a pattern of weakening in the European armed forces that he in turn blames for the massacre, but even that dubious proposition is not a statement of cause and effect.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:11:47pm |
re: #543 windsagio
~Which is still substantially more mild than ANY of our responses to Iran.
Plus we're putting up missile shields around Iran too, and threatening to do this, and this is well before any tests were done.
That's the area I was talking about. We're defending four Arab nations.
Fine with me. Fucking bastards shouldn't get a chance to test one.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:12:23pm |
re: #544 filetandrelease
They do export weapons and may be, but Hamas/Hizb'allah aren't their proxy armies. (i don't mean to be obvious)
IMO, Iran posses a much greater threat.
North Korea can barely feed it's people.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:12:44pm |
re: #546 MandyManners
OH!
I was wondering about that heh.
I didn't htink we'd surrounded N. Korea with antimissile systems, but I didn't wanna accuse you of being wrong >>
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:13:20pm |
re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, my husband has ruled out 'Shlomo'. Also names with chets in them, since he can't pronounce them.
The most popular names amongst Alouette's grandchildren:
Sarah (5)
Moussia (4)
Menachem Mendel (3)
Schneur Zalman (2)
David (2)
Sholom (2)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:13:25pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
re: #513 filetandrelease
re: #510 MandyMannersI just do not understand how the Norks can build and test nuclear weapons twice and not get hit. But Iran may get hit before they even build one? I think we are all missing some big piece of the puzzle. In fact I call bullshit on this one. Otherwise there would be a bunch of these same weapons sent to Guam.
It's simple. The Norks have a lot of Artillery that can range on Seoul. If we hit them, they might fire those guns. We'd beat them, but the civilian casualties would be in the tens of thousands at least.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:13:31pm |
re: #520 Guanxi88
I am two generations from proving we are related to Johnny Appleseed, Chapman. An early American eccentric liberal, devotee of Swedenborgian religious beliefs.[Link: www.swedenborg.org...]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:13:55pm |
re: #545 Shiplord Kirel
Mad mad world update:
Retired general links gays in army to genocideSheehan failed to make any logical connection between gay soldiers and the Srebrenica massacre. He considers acceptance of homosexuals as part of a pattern of weakening in the European armed forces that he in turn blames for the massacre, but even that dubious proposition is not a statement of cause and effect.
Jeez, that's a ridiculous conclusion.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:14:02pm |
re: #539 MandyManners
We put up defensive missiles in four nations within the last two or so months.
I hope we are charging for that...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:14:11pm |
re: #549 windsagio
OH!
I was wondering about that heh.
I didn't htink we'd surrounded N. Korea with antimissile systems, but I didn't wanna accuse you of being wrong >>
I've been wrong before. I probably will be again.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:14:48pm |
re: #548 MandyManners
And has a huge army that could destroy its neighbor, really any time it gets desperate enough.
Iran is teetering on the edge of revolution. I suppose that argument goes both ways (the 'guy with nothing to lose and his finger on the button' issue), but still. Neither nation, as it is, is a serious threat to the world. They're just awful to their own people, and have a few interesting meta-threats to some of the surrounding areas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:14:51pm |
re: #548 MandyManners
North Korea can barely feed it's people.
Yes, but North Korea doesn't care much.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:15:14pm |
re: #554 brookly red
I hope we are charging for that...
It'd be nice if they threw a few million barrels of oil our way.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:16:01pm |
re: #556 windsagio
I'll not argue this with you. I'm behind doing whatever we need to do to help defend Israel. End of discussion.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:16:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:16:48pm |
re: #550 Alouette
The most popular names amongst Alouette's grandchildren:
Sarah (5)
Moussia (4)
Menachem Mendel (3)
Schneur Zalman (2)
David (2)
Sholom (2)
I'm going to take a wild guess here--there's some Lubavitch influence in the family?
/
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:16:59pm |
Science-journalism FAIL:
DINOSAURS DID NOT GRADUALLY DIE OUT
Non-avian dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago, and now researchers have proven that this die-off didn't happen over a long period of time.
A detailed look at dinosaur bones, tracks and eggs located at 29 archaeological sites located in the Catalan Pyrenees reveals that there was a large diversity of dinosaur species living there just before the fatal K-T extinction event, which many scientists believe was caused by several large meteors hitting Earth.
Unless, gulp, Texastan's McLeroy is correct....
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:17:05pm |
re: #552 prairiefire
I am two generations from proving we are related to Johnny Appleseed, Chapman. An early American eccentric liberal, devotee of Swedenborgian religious beliefs.[Link: www.swedenborg.org...]
Holy cows! That's the guy who made sure settlers could get their applejack palsy wherever they moved. A good and interesting American. Today, he'd be medicated, which shows how poorly-run we are these days.
Guy was a business genius.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:17:06pm |
re: #551 Dark_Falcon
That's interesting... it was my understanding that N. Korea would certainly take Seoul with its ground forces, and chase us a fair ways down the penninsula before we could stop them. I mean we'd likely win in the longterm (depending on China of course), but in the short-term it would be a massacre.
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Stuart Leviton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:17:11pm |
re: #515 albusteve
Mazel Tov on becoming a grand daddy.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:17:11pm |
re: #558 MandyManners
It'd be nice if they threw a few million barrels of oil our way.
how ironic, war protection for oil...
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:18:00pm |
re: #562 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm going to take a wild guess here--there's some Lubavitch influence in the family?
/
*ding* *ding* *ding*
Captain Obvious!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:18:37pm |
re: #553 HappyWarrior
Jeez, that's a ridiculous conclusion.
Andrea Dworkin blamed the rapes in Bosnia on pornography, so hell, why shouldn't this guy come with his pet theory?
/Morons
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:19:47pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:19:56pm |
re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist
Andrea Dworkin blamed the rapes in Bosnia on pornography, so hell, why shouldn't this guy come with his pet theory?
/Morons
Didn't know that but sheesh it just amazes me that people could be this ignorant.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:20:43pm |
re: #571 HappyWarrior
Didn't know that but sheesh it just amazes me that people could be this ignorant.
read as "This insane". Both the general and Dworkin are all about letting your own hangups and mental issues rule your worldview.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:21:37pm |
re: #528 Rightwingconspirator
re: #513 filetandrelease
re: #510 MandyMannersI just do not understand how the Norks can build and test nuclear weapons twice and not get hit. But Iran may get hit before they even build one? I think we are all missing some big piece of the puzzle. In fact I call bullshit on this one. Otherwise there would be a bunch of these same weapons sent to Guam.
A couple problems with NK: first, their relationship with China means that any strike against NK would almost certainly drag China into a very unpleasant confrontation. Second, NK is all about bluster and threats made in hopes of shaking down it's neighbors and the West for dough, a game it's played for decades now and which it will certainly continue as long as the rewards merit; NK's nukes don't present the regional threat that Iran's do. The best approach to take with NK is 1) stop playing the game they like to play, giving them aid in exchange for empty promises, and 2) engage with China and encourage China to solve the NK problem, which it can do in a matter of days if it chooses simply by opening their border and draining the country of manpower in desperate search of food.
Iran, in contrast, would certainly use it's nukes to destabilize the region, posing an existential threat to Israel and even countries as remote as Europe with only slight improvements to existing missile technology, motivated both by radical Islam and an interest in a resurgent Persian Empire. And a military engagement with Iran, although certainly not a pleasant prospect, would likely be regionally moderated by Arab states who fear Persian expansionism more than Western aggression, at least in the short run.
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simoom Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:21:41pm |
re: #28 iceweasel
Heh, I briefly turned him on while exercising and he had drawn some sort of evil, nightmare Tree of Liberty. The apples were labeled things Lies, Ego, Arrogance and the roots were being corrupted by Progressivism :P Then inside a chalk drawing of half an apple, the critical seeds were missing: Hope, Faith & Charity?
He also seemed to be predicting our country would collapse like the USSR, and that's why healthcare was being passed, to enslave everyone in a cage or something after the fall :o.
His audience was hanging on his every word :P.
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:22:06pm |
re: #548 MandyManners
North Korea can barely feed it's people.
Fastest animal in the world? A N Korean chicken.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:22:16pm |
Sushi connoisseurs win, the tuna lose:
Export ban on Atlantic bluefin tuna rejected
Fishing nations won a victory over environmentalists Thursday when a U.S.-backed proposal to ban export of the Atlantic bluefin tuna was overwhelmingly rejected at a U.N. wildlife meeting.Japan won over scores of poorer nations with a campaign that played on fears that a ban would devastate their economies. Tokyo also raised doubts that such a radical move was scientifically sound.
Money can buy you friends.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:22:17pm |
re: #564 Guanxi88
Whenever Disney showed the cartoon about him on a Sunday night, my grandma would say, "now see, you should be proud of him!"
I need to get the info out of Indiana after the turn of the century to prove it. We would be descended from his dad, Nathaniel Chapman's 2nd wife, Lucy Cooley, and he would be a half uncle. Is that what is meant by "half removed"? Anyone?
| 579 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:22:44pm |
re: #572 windsagio
read as "This insane". Both the general and Dworkin are all about letting your own hangups and mental issues rule your worldview.
True, true. Dworkin and her anti pornography attitude reminds me of reading about James Dobson using what Ted Bundy said about pornography making him violent and a serial killer as gospel even though Bundy was a psychopath and thus a master manipulator.
| 580 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:24:13pm |
re: #573 SixDegrees
Your first part is great, but I still think that you guys are vastly overrepresenting Iran's likelihood to actually use nuclear weapons if/when they get them. I still think they want them a) for general international prestige, and b) to protect themselves through MAD from Israeli nukes.
| 581 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:24:19pm |
re: #522 Guanxi88
I told her that if Yiddish was out, by jove, Cajun names were out, too. We reached an uneasy truce on the matter.
During the adoption process before we had our placement, I tried to convince my wife that, if we got a girl, we should name her for our respective maternal Grandmothers - Vivalore Balbina. She didn't seem to think that was a good idea ...
It became moot when John came along :)
William
| 582 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:24:21pm |
Money can buy you friends.
no Elliot you only rent em...
| 583 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:24:31pm |
More from that AP wire story:
Japan, which imports 80 percent of the tuna, had lobbied delegates hard to kill the proposal. They even held a reception Wednesday night for uncertain delegates that included plenty of bluefin sushi.
What do you do when you need to make friends?
Throw a party!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:24:34pm |
re: #471 albusteve
thanks to all...
I've already laid claim to the rascal...he's named after me...dig that
Hi Steve, just had to drop in to say congratulations. Being a grandpa is the best. My little girl who just turned 5 is coming from Colorado for a visit next week. I am pumped. Her mother will not want her back after Gramma and Grandpa Baldy (that would be me) have utterly spoiled her. No candy, cake or sweets allowed? Heh, watch me..
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:24:46pm |
re: #563 freetoken
Science-journalism FAIL:
DINOSAURS DID NOT GRADUALLY DIE OUT
Unless, gulp, Texastan's McLeroy is correct...
Who committed dinocide?
| 586 |
simoom Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:25:11pm |
re: #574 simoom
Just to be clear, this was Beck, not Colbert :P.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:26:27pm |
re: #584 The Shadow Do
Hi Steve, just had to drop in to say congratulations. Being a grandpa is the best. My little girl who just turned 5 is coming from Colorado for a visit next week. I am pumped. Her mother will not want her back after Gramma and Grandpa Baldy (that would be me) have utterly spoiled her. No candy, cake or sweets allowed? Heh, watch me..
Grandparents have a God-given right (and responsibility!) to spoil the grandkids.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:27:20pm |
re: #578 prairiefire
Whenever Disney showed the cartoon about him on a Sunday night, my grandma would say, "now see, you should be proud of him!"
I need to get the info out of Indiana after the turn of the century to prove it. We would be descended from his dad, Nathaniel Chapman's 2nd wife, Lucy Cooley, and he would be a half uncle. Is that what is meant by "half removed"? Anyone?
I didn't know there was such thing as a half removed.
"Removed" means "generations away." My father's first cousin is actually my first cousin "once removed." That man's children are my second cousins, no removed.
The way you figure it, you count back generations to the common link, then subtract one to find what cousins you are. So, your first cousins and you are two generations back (to grandma and grandpa). Removed means that you and the other person don't have the same number of generations to the common ancestor. So, if you met someone who had a common ancestor with you, and it was three generations back for them, and four for you, that person is your second cousin, once removed.
Clear as mud? I'm sure you were just dying to know this.
Congratulations, though, on being related to a cool person.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:27:27pm |
re: #577 freetoken
Sushi connoisseurs win, the tuna lose:
Export ban on Atlantic bluefin tuna rejected
Money can buy you friends.
I'm conflicted. Because toro is sooo good...
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:27:34pm |
re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, my husband has ruled out 'Shlomo'. Also names with chets in them, since he can't pronounce them.
Heh. My grandson is Sholom Yechezkel. They call him "Chezky"
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:27:49pm |
re: #588 reine.de.tout
Grandparents have a God-given right (and responsibility!) to spoil the grandkids.
Indeed they do, and I take this obligation very seriously!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:28:16pm |
Time for me to get the Kitties med's and go to the store now that my nap's over. I pop back in later. Keep Laughing Lizards!
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:28:21pm |
re: #583 freetoken
More from that AP wire story:
What do you do when you need to make friends?
Throw a party!
I like you so no snark bomb...
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:29:08pm |
Schumer / Graham on Immigration
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:29:16pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:29:30pm |
re: #588 reine.de.tout
Grandparents have a God-given right (and responsibility!) to spoil the grandkids.
My granddaughters are coming for the holidays and I bought a 42" HDTV just so they can watch the new Disney movie and all their favorites!
Hmm, should I get a Blue-ray player?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:29:36pm |
re: #551 Dark_Falcon
But Iran has conventional ballistic missiles. And the terror armies. I'm just not seeing it.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:29:59pm |
re: #590 Aceofwhat?
I'm conflicted. Because toro is sooo good...
had negitoro & negi hama for lunch...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:30:26pm |
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:30:40pm |
re: #589 EmmmieG
Sorry, I meant "once removed."
Thanks, it is cool. I have to prove it though, because my kids say the kids at school don't believe them.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:30:46pm |
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:12pm |
re: #584 The Shadow Do
Hi Steve, just had to drop in to say congratulations. Being a grandpa is the best. My little girl who just turned 5 is coming from Colorado for a visit next week. I am pumped. Her mother will not want her back after Gramma and Grandpa Baldy (that would be me) have utterly spoiled her. No candy, cake or sweets allowed? Heh, watch me..
what?...there was non of that!
(ninja grandpa)
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:31pm |
Tea party crowd going to go rabid over this:
Our plan has four pillars: requiring biometric Social Security cards to ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs; fulfilling and strengthening our commitments on border security and interior enforcement; creating a process for admitting temporary workers; and implementing a tough but fair path to legalization for those already here.
Obama is going to put the mark of the debbil on all our SSN cards!
//
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:31pm |
re: #597 Alouette
My granddaughters are coming for the holidays and I bought a 42" HDTV just so they can watch the new Disney movie and all their favorites!
Hmm, should I get a Blue-ray player?
I say exercise your grandparental rights to the fullest!
Some of my favorite memories are visiting my grandparents in New Orleans. To this day, when I smell sweet olive, I become 10 years old, exploring their small and overgrown and mysterious yard in the summertime.
| 606 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:38pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:39pm |
Here's a story from last week that'll make your blood boil:
Navy says 3 dogs died after contractor neglect
The Navy says that three dogs died and dozens more were in poor health after being neglected by a private security contractor in Chicago that had been hired to train the dogs to detect explosives.
A team of military handlers discovered the dogs last October at a facility run by Securitas Security Services USA after the Navy terminated a $7.5 million contract.
Navy spokesman Capt. William Fenick said that of the 49 dogs discovered, two were dead and the rest were in poor health. Another dog died soon after being recovered.
Securitas Security Services did not immediately provide comment.
The incident was first reported by The Virginian-Pilot, which says it obtained a picture of one of the rescued dogs, whose rib cage and hip bones were protruding.
Securitas is the ubiquitous Swedish owned security conglomerate that took over such traditional American operators as Pinkerton and Burns back in the 90s. Their uniformed and sometimes armed guards can be found at banks, construction sites, and government buildings all over the country.
This is their second PR black-eye in recent weeks. The security guards who were videoed standing idly by while a woman was beaten half to death in Seattle a while back were Securitas employees. They apparently were in fact acting in accord with company policy.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:50pm |
Guess who did the public political work for the sushi lovers?
At Thursday's meeting in Doha, though, delegates from Libya quickly put a stop to that momentum. "Let's just say they were very impassioned," says Glenn Sant, global marine program leader for Traffic, a U.K.-based organization that monitors international trade in wildlife. "We had expected the proposal to go to a working group for extended debate, but Libya called for a vote immediately."
Do I hear three cheers for Mohammar/Muhamar from the sushi lovers?
| 609 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:31:57pm |
re: #598 Rightwingconspirator
But Iran has conventional ballistic missiles. And the terror armies. I'm just not seeing it.
how do you kill a snake?
cut it head off.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:32:14pm |
re: #597 Alouette
My granddaughters are coming for the holidays and I bought a 42" HDTV just so they can watch the new Disney movie and all their favorites!
Hmm, should I get a Blue-ray player?
If you really want to make their day, get a Playstation 3. It's also a Blu-ray player, and visually appealing to boot. Last year it was far less expensive than a stand-alone blu-ray player...i haven't checked prices lately, though.
I don't own one, but have friends who rave about the multimedia capabilities (grown-up friends, mind you;)
| 611 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:32:33pm |
re: #588 reine.de.tout
Grandparents have a God-given right (and responsibility!) to spoil the grandkids.
BINGO!....we will not be subdued!
| 612 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:32:41pm |
re: #604 Thanos
Hey, why don't we embed the SS# under the skin of the right hand of every infant that is a real American citizen?
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:33:26pm |
re: #609 brookly red
Crude methods like that haven't exactly worked well for us (or our allies) in that particular country~
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:33:36pm |
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:33:45pm |
re: #612 freetoken
microchips with transmitters are better, thats why!
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:33:53pm |
The Libya angle is from this article:
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:34:21pm |
re: #613 windsagio
Crude methods like that haven't exactly worked well for us (or our allies) in that particular country~
so you advise to do nothing with regard to Iran?
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:34:23pm |
re: #580 windsagio
Your first part is great, but I still think that you guys are vastly overrepresenting Iran's likelihood to actually use nuclear weapons if/when they get them. I still think they want them a) for general international prestige, and b) to protect themselves through MAD from Israeli nukes.
Nonetheless, that's the calculus behind the actions being taken.
Personally, I think the US, Russia and China should have gone all NWO on proliferator's asses a couple decades ago, before things really started to get out of hand, and crushed the spread of nukes in the early stages. Now, there's probably too much rogue infrastructure worldwide to contain further proliferation.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:34:29pm |
re: #595 Thanos
We would require all U.S. citizens and legal immigrants who want jobs to obtain a high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security card. Each card's unique biometric identifier would be stored only on the card; no government database would house everyone's information. The cards would not contain any private information, medical information, nor tracking devices. The card will be a high-tech version of the Social Security card that citizens already have.Prospective employers would be responsible for swiping the cards through a machine to confirm a person's identity and immigration status. Employers who refused to swipe the card or who otherwise knowingly hired unauthorized workers would face stiff fines and, for repeat offenses, prison sentences.
Sounds reasonable.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:34:43pm |
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:35:28pm |
re: #613 windsagio
Crude methods like that haven't exactly worked well for us (or our allies) in that particular country~
while that is true it may be the lesser of 2 evils...
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:36:35pm |
re: #617 albusteve
We've been over this land many times before :p What we shouldn't do is directly attack Iran.
re: #618 SixDegrees
oh absolutely. Really tho', nonproliferation was always a paper tiger. Any country that seriously wanted nukes and had the resources (or allies) to get them has them. Like you said tho', it just gets easier as time goes on.
Its a sad situation we find ourselves in. The good news is I still think we're a ways away from any country dumb enough to actually use the things getting them ;)
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:36:50pm |
re: #604 Thanos
A lot of non-Tea Party folks are against biometric ID.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:37:33pm |
re: #619 Killgore Trout
Sounds reasonable.
ehhh...for those of us who lose personal belongings at an alarming rate, it's a little scary. i don't care about the biometric info. i care about one card being my ticket to paradise...do you have any idea how long it's been since i actually had a physical social security card??
| 625 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:38:18pm |
re: #621 brookly red
my problem is that I think we'll actually make the situation worse. I'm sure you're tired of hearing about him, but the whole story arc with Mosaddegh is the perfect example. I still think that any direct intervention will just feed the extremists, Iran in its natural state seems to want to be a more liberal country.
| 626 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:38:18pm |
The right's new hero describes his bravery in being rude to the President.....
Bret Baier on his Obama Interview and Why the Interruptions!
| 627 |
simoom Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:38:28pm |
Beck is now trying to distance himself from the crazies, talking about some Alaskan armed militia he read about in the paper today and saying, "please, armed resistance/violence is never the answer." And he then had Palin come on the screen and make the same appeal.
| 628 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:38:48pm |
re: #622 windsagio
We've been over this land many times before :p What we shouldn't do is directly attack Iran.
re: #618 SixDegrees
oh absolutely. Really tho', nonproliferation was always a paper tiger. Any country that seriously wanted nukes and had the resources (or allies) to get them has them. Like you said tho', it just gets easier as time goes on.
Its a sad situation we find ourselves in. The good news is I still think we're a ways away from any country dumb enough to actually use the things getting them ;)
Do you have any idea how close Pakistan and India have come to trading shots?
| 629 |
martinsmithy Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:39:27pm |
re: #404 darthstar
I agree - Monsanto's behavior is outrageous. But that is a problem with our legal system and patent laws, not genetically modified foods themselves.
I also plant heirloom seeds. But I plant a bunch together, so they hybridize among themselves, and I can't use them the next year!
| 630 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:39:55pm |
re: #625 windsagio
my problem is that I think we'll actually make the situation worse. I'm sure you're tired of hearing about him, but the whole story arc with Mosaddegh is the perfect example. I still think that any direct intervention will just feed the extremists, Iran in its natural state seems to want to be a more liberal country.
sometimes things just need a little push to get them rolling.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:40:08pm |
re: #628 The Shadow Do
and yet they haven't :p
Its like how close the US and the USSR came to trading shots a few times, which would be a LOT worse. The cost of using nuclear weapons is just to high, and even the rulers of Iran probably aren't willing to pay that price (ie, annihilation).
| 632 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:40:22pm |
re: #622 windsagio
We've been over this land many times before :p What we shouldn't do is directly attack Iran.
re: #618 SixDegrees
oh absolutely. Really tho', nonproliferation was always a paper tiger. Any country that seriously wanted nukes and had the resources (or allies) to get them has them. Like you said tho', it just gets easier as time goes on.
Its a sad situation we find ourselves in. The good news is I still think we're a ways away from any country dumb enough to actually use the things getting them ;)
what should we do with Iran?...let them use nuclear blackmail over their neighbors?
| 633 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:40:28pm |
re: #619 Killgore Trout
Sounds reasonable.
Sounds fine to me as well but the "freemen" types and Alex Jones audience is definitely going to go bonkers
| 634 |
simoom Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:40:44pm |
re: #627 simoom
Palin: "Leadership is not taking up arms, at this point, it's ..." :P
| 635 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:40:55pm |
re: #574 simoom
Heh, I briefly turned him on while exercising and he had drawn some sort of evil, nightmare Tree of Liberty. The apples were labeled things Lies, Ego, Arrogance and the roots were being corrupted by Progressivism :P Then inside a chalk drawing of half an apple, the critical seeds were missing: Hope, Faith & Charity?
He also seemed to be predicting our country would collapse like the USSR, and that's why healthcare was being passed, to enslave everyone in a cage or something after the fall :o.
His audience was hanging on his every word :P.
Heh. I missed that. I also missed this-- apparently angry rage hippo Brietbart announced he would destroy 'the institutional left' within 3 weeks-- that dead line passed on March 15th:
Naturally, some snarky person started the Institutional Left Doomsday Clock...
And apparently people were having a lot of fun on twitter with it.
| 636 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:41:02pm |
re: #630 brookly red
I'm afraid that if the push comes from the outside, it'll have a backlash effect.
I'm all for taking a covert angle on this subject.
| 637 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:41:05pm |
re: #625 windsagio
my problem is that I think we'll actually make the situation worse. I'm sure you're tired of hearing about him, but the whole story arc with Mosaddegh is the perfect example. I still think that any direct intervention will just feed the extremists, Iran in its natural state seems to want to be a more liberal country.
they KILL dissidents
| 638 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:41:17pm |
re: #627 simoom
Beck is now trying to distance himself from the crazies, talking about some Alaskan armed militia he read about in the paper today and saying, "please, armed resistance/violence is never the answer." And he then had Palin come on the screen and make the same appeal.
it beats the alternative, i guess...(ow...sharp pain from nearly complimenting him)
| 639 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:41:44pm |
re: #632 albusteve
Neither of us can prove it, but I suspect that won't actually happen... Any more than Israel uses nuclear blackmail over ITS neighbors.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:42:34pm |
re: #639 windsagio
Neither of us can prove it, but I suspect that won't actually happen... Any more than Israel uses nuclear blackmail over ITS neighbors.
D'oh! Apples and oranges, my friend.
;)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:42:37pm |
re: #633 Thanos
Sounds fine to me as well but the "freemen" types and Alex Jones audience is definitely going to go bonkers
Yeah, they were freaking out when Neo-con Rudy proposed that idea.
| 642 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:42:50pm |
re: #639 windsagio
Neither of us can prove it, but I suspect that won't actually happen... Any more than Israel uses nuclear blackmail over ITS neighbors.
que? blackmailing its neighbors not to wipe it out? that ain't blackmail...
| 643 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:43:09pm |
re: #631 windsagio
and yet they haven't :p
Its like how close the US and the USSR came to trading shots a few times, which would be a LOT worse. The cost of using nuclear weapons is just to high, and even the rulers of Iran probably aren't willing to pay that price (ie, annihilation).
Hope is a very weak foreign policy though it is easy! Just my opinion of course.
What do you suppose transpires when the Persions begin dictating terms to the Arabs by the way?
| 644 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:43:20pm |
re: #631 windsagio
and yet they haven't :p
Its like how close the US and the USSR came to trading shots a few times, which would be a LOT worse. The cost of using nuclear weapons is just to high, and even the rulers of Iran probably aren't willing to pay that price (ie, annihilation).
But "Christians" are crazy enough to start a war to bring the "end times" to the world. I get it, there's no religious fervor in Iran.
| 645 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:43:38pm |
re: #565 windsagio
That's interesting... it was my understanding that N. Korea would certainly take Seoul with its ground forces, and chase us a fair ways down the penninsula before we could stop them. I mean we'd likely win in the longterm (depending on China of course), but in the short-term it would be a massacre.
Their army has gone downhill. They might still be able to take Seoul but that would be chancy, given that the quality of South Korea's army has gone up a decent bit.
| 646 |
Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:43:48pm |
re: #510 MandyManners
[Link: www.heraldscotland.com...]
Mandy, I posted a link earlier to Commentary Magazine before. They debunk the alarmism about this move quite nicely.
This is the latest post on it.
It is a totally routine move.
| 648 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:44:12pm |
re: #640 Varek Raith
haha I know! And I expect some flak for that one.
There is a point however. Nations with nuclear weapons don't tend to act that way, especially if there's a counterbalancing force around (and Iran has at least 2, with the US and Israel).
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:44:27pm |
The latest outrageous outrage: Voting on the Sabbath!
Iowa Congressman And Glenn Beck Agree: Sunday Health Care Vote Is 'An Affront To God'
I'll be interesting to see if they get get people to show up to the Tea Party this weekend.
| 650 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:45:00pm |
re: #639 windsagio
Neither of us can prove it, but I suspect that won't actually happen... Any more than Israel uses nuclear blackmail over ITS neighbors.
next time they threaten to wipe someone of the map let me know.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:45:26pm |
re: #645 Dark_Falcon
Their army has gone downhill. They might still be able to take Seoul but that would be chancy, given that the quality of South Korea's army has gone up a decent bit.
That b-grade russian surplus tech they have going on isn't exactly aging well, IIRC...
| 652 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:45:37pm |
re: #641 Killgore Trout
Yeah, they were freaking out when Neo-con Rudy proposed that idea.
What's so funny is that the ones who are most up in arms over security measures like this and the new scanners are the ones who raise the biggest stink about border security and Illegal immigration. It makes you wonder some days if they just want the problem to remain unsolved so they have something to spew bile over.
| 653 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:45:51pm |
re: #645 Dark_Falcon
Their army has gone downhill. They might still be able to take Seoul but that would be chancy, given that the quality of South Korea's army has gone up a decent bit.
it would be the greatest massacre of the last century or so...the Norks have no chance to do anything more than fuck things up temporarily...knock down some buildings, kill a bunch of people...
| 654 |
keloyd Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:45:55pm |
re: #306 Shiplord Kirel
AAhahhh that's a fine piece of machinery. That is high culture. IIRC, they were still running ads when that was built that claimed you could hear the (wind up) clock ticking while cruising at 60 mph, or as the British wrote it, m.p.h. 7.3:1 compression? Wow, my Honda lawn mower has more than that.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:46:26pm |
re: #644 Walter L. Newton
oh there is, but the Mullahs wouldn't have gotten there if they weren't pretty savvy. People sharp enough to get in charge of a nation don't go around getting themselves killed.
re: #643 The Shadow Do
Its not 'hope', its 'analysis'. There's a tendency to think of the leaders of Iran as suicide bombers on a huge scale, and that's just not very likely to be true.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:46:37pm |
re: #607 Shiplord Kirel
Here's a story from last week that'll make your blood boil:
Navy says 3 dogs died after contractor neglectSecuritas is the ubiquitous Swedish owned security conglomerate that took over such traditional American operators as Pinkerton and Burns back in the 90s. Their uniformed and sometimes armed guards can be found at banks, construction sites, and government buildings all over the country.
This is their second PR black-eye in recent weeks. The security guards who were videoed standing idly by while a woman was beaten half to death in Seattle a while back were Securitas employees. They apparently were in fact acting in accord with company policy.
That is indeed the policy in many cases: observe and report. Trying to intervene leads to lawsuits. I've been told at jobs that one should not step in even in a co-worker is being attacked. Thankfully, I was never put to the test on that one. If I had been, I would have stepped in. I'd rather be in jail, than be a coward.
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:47:41pm |
re: #649 Killgore Trout
The latest outrageous outrage: Voting on the Sabbath!
Iowa Congressman And Glenn Beck Agree: Sunday Health Care Vote Is 'An Affront To God'
[Video]I'll be interesting to see if they get get people to show up to the Tea Party this weekend.
Beck's got to shore up his "I'm with God" culture warrior cred after crapping on churches by calling them communists recently...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:47:48pm |
re: #655 windsagio
oh there is, but the Mullahs wouldn't have gotten there if they weren't pretty savvy. People sharp enough to get in charge of a nation don't go around getting themselves killed.
They're in charge = they're savvy and sharp?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:47:54pm |
re: #644 Walter L. Newton
But "Christians" are crazy enough to start a war to bring the "end times" to the world. I get it, there's no religious fervor in Iran.
"They're religious nuts" isn't the whole story either. Iran is...complicated.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:48:16pm |
re: #645 Dark_Falcon
I wonder what China would do if N. Korea invaded the south. Just stay out of it? Would they let the DKRP fall?
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:48:28pm |
re: #655 windsagio
oh there is, but the Mullahs wouldn't have gotten there if they weren't pretty savvy. People sharp enough to get in charge of a nation don't go around getting themselves killed.
re: #643 The Shadow Do
Its not 'hope', its 'analysis'. There's a tendency to think of the leaders of Iran as suicide bombers on a huge scale, and that's just not very likely to be true.
so you believe that a successful general uprising is probable in the near future?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:48:44pm |
re: #573 SixDegrees
re: #551 Dark_Falcon
re: #556 windsagio
My conclusion, even with all the valid points made is that we are missing some salient facts. Maybe THE salient facts. Or fact. To me that is what makes this look so strange. But I am caught up with my own view, that nuclear non proliferation enforcement is literally life or death for billions.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:48:57pm |
re: #651 Aceofwhat?
That b-grade russian surplus tech they have going on isn't exactly aging well, IIRC...
No, it isn't. Further, the RoK's K1A! MBT has the same firepower and protection advantages over the Nork's tanks that the M! does (though it is slower). That's why I say the North could not do what they once could: They've gotten worse and the South has gotten better.
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:49:09pm |
re: #655 windsagio
oh there is, but the Mullahs wouldn't have gotten there if they weren't pretty savvy. People sharp enough to get in charge of a nation don't go around getting themselves killed.
re: #643 The Shadow Do
Its not 'hope', its 'analysis'. There's a tendency to think of the leaders of Iran as suicide bombers on a huge scale, and that's just not very likely to be true.
I think the opposite is true -- there is a tendency to think of them as rational actors, like the Soviets were.
It completely ignores the specifics of Iran.
The sect of Islam to which Ahmadinejad and Khameini subscribe really is quite worrisome in terms of any possible "containment" strategy like MAD.
I doubt they would want to commit suicide THEMSELVES... but I also think they wouldn't be stopped by the thought of a losing an Iranian city or two, while they hide out in bunkers/in hiding.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:49:26pm |
re: #658 Aceofwhat?
You try to rise to the top of a huge organization, political or religious. And as far as I know, its not an inherited nobility :p
So largely, yes. At least politically.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:49:52pm |
re: #660 windsagio
I wonder what China would do if N. Korea invaded the south. Just stay out of it? Would they let the DKRP fall?
Triple troops on the NORK border
Lay mile-deep minefields and defensive barriers
Move artillery and aircraft closer to the border
Do whatever it takes to keep NORKS outta China, 'cause that's where they'll try to run.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:49:59pm |
re: #660 windsagio
I wonder what China would do if N. Korea invaded the south. Just stay out of it? Would they let the DKRP fall?
I have five bucks that says China (unlike Iran) is far too savvy to save NKorea if they instigated a full-on conflict. NKorea is a pawn, not a bishop.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:50:08pm |
re: #660 windsagio
They've been getting more and more pissed off at the number of NK refugees. That's all I know about their relations.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:50:09pm |
re: #655 windsagio
oh there is, but the Mullahs wouldn't have gotten there if they weren't pretty savvy. People sharp enough to get in charge of a nation don't go around getting themselves killed.
Sure... but rogue "christians" are going to bring in the end times for the messiah. The left always telling us how dangerous christians are, but a country run by radical Islamic mullahs are sane and reasonable.
Right.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:50:35pm |
re: #652 Thanos
It's also a bummer because these Alex Jones/Ron Paul paranoid idiots have infected the Republican party. There's no chance of the Republican party voting for a national ID card with Glenn Beck and the Birch Society around.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:50:59pm |
re: #658 Aceofwhat?
They're in charge = they're savvy and sharp?
They've stayed in charge a long time.
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:51:01pm |
re: #665 windsagio
You try to rise to the top of a huge organization, political or religious. And as far as I know, its not an inherited nobility :p
So largely, yes. At least politically.
Also... (unrelated to the quoted the post but directed at you)...
Many people ignore the political rammifications of Iran OBTAINING a bomb. Even if they don't use it at all.
It will mean a radical realignment of geostrategic forces, and the US will lose a LOT of influence.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:51:12pm |
re: #669 Walter L. Newton
Tell us more stories about The Left, Uncle Walter!
/
Most of whom are themselves, of course, Christian.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:51:32pm |
re: #665 windsagio
You try to rise to the top of a huge organization, political or religious. And as far as I know, its not an inherited nobility :p
So largely, yes. At least politically.
I missed the part where that train of thought stops at the GWBush station...remind me again how sharp and savvy you think he is, since he climbed a much taller mountain and stayed on top for an extra term...;)
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:52:12pm |
re: #655 windsagio
oh there is, but the Mullahs wouldn't have gotten there if they re: #643 The Shadow Do
Its not 'hope', its 'analysis'. There's a tendency to think of the leaders of Iran as suicide bombers on a huge scale, and that's just not very likely to be true.
Oh, I agree. They are anything but suicidal. But they will spill blood willy nilly as evidenced by their treatment of their own people obviously. If you don't think they will be pushing outward alone or in proxy with the safety net of nukes, then you may want to get some further analysis.
What do you think they want nukes for, and please don't say self defense.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:52:19pm |
re: #659 SanFranciscoZionist
"They're religious nuts" isn't the whole story either. Iran is...complicated.
Well, of course it's complicated when you have to make rogue christians look more dangerous than a country run by radical Islamic clergyman who have a full air force, military, navy and tons of money.
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:52:38pm |
re: #671 Killgore Trout
It's also a bummer because these Alex Jones/Ron Paul paranoid idiots have infected the Republican party. There's no chance of the Republican party voting for a national ID card with Glenn Beck and the Birch Society around.
Yep, it will be another "NO" and Lindsay will continue to get bashed as a Trilateralist NWO RINO!
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:52:53pm |
re: #661 albusteve
In my opinion, its 5 years out max. Of course I could be wrong :P
re: #664 Joo-LiZ
I think its the divide between their rhetoric and their real beliefs. Even if they survive, if they enter a nuclear exchange with anyone, their power is over, their rule is over, and eventually they'll be hunted down (Now that's a war crimes trial!). It comes down to the idea that someone who was totally in tune with the mindset you're describing wouldn't have the wherewithal to struggle to the top of a nation.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:53:24pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:53:25pm |
re: #653 albusteve
And I do not believe for a second the Chinese would militarily retaliate if we hit the NK launchers and nuclear production facilities. Nor for us defending South Korea. Nor will Russia do the same over Iran.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:53:30pm |
Seriously, Beck and King are just doing this crap because they will oppose anything Obama does. I mean I am sure Bush and Reagan had votes on Sunday as well. These dudes really just need to get the hell over themselves. They exhibit the same narcissism what they accuse Obama of having.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:53:54pm |
re: #677 Walter L. Newton
Well, of course it's complicated when you have to make rogue christians look more dangerous than a country run by radical Islamic clergyman who have a full air force, military, navy and tons of money.
...and support from other countries like Russia and China and N. Korea and 33/4 of the middle east and...
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:53:56pm |
re: #669 Walter L. Newton
dude, whats with the projection and strawmen out of you lately? Between yesterday and today, its like you're reading posts from me that don't really exist.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:54:25pm |
re: #660 windsagio
I wonder what China would do if N. Korea invaded the south. Just stay out of it? Would they let the DKRP fall?
I think that would be way more bullshit than China would be willing to put up with. The reaction from China's trading partners would be almost universally hostile, and the fallout would last for decades. I strongly suspect L'il Kimmy would be rather roughly ushered into a new role as Former Great Leader.
China has resisted attempts at reunification because economically, the South would essentially take over the North thanks to the fact that they're A) technologically much more advanced and B) have food, thus placing an American client-state on China's border. An invasion of the South by the North would have much the same effect, but be a whole lot messier; the US is bound by a whole pile of treaties to respond, NATO would probably be compelled to join in, and the outcome, though certain, would be awful due to the proximity of Seoul to the border.
It's in China's best interest to prevent such an outcome, and I think they would, quickly and firmly.
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:54:27pm |
OT: I know we've talked about how terrible it is that CNN would hire Erik Erickson of Red State, but here's a collection of his wimminz-hating statements that I was unfamiliar with:
From 2008 (no link):
As the Clintons and their supporters continue their destruction of the Democratic Party, we see the latest salvo fired from the thighs of ugly nags.From the nether regions that see no men, New York's National Association of Gals is out bashing Teddy Kennedy for endorsing Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton.
Some other misogynistic tweets:
one and
two
There really is no good reason to consider this guy as a serious commentator on anything. Thanks, CNN. Feh.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:56:00pm |
re: #677 Walter L. Newton
A lot of the current conflict in Iran is actually the military vs. the religious establishment.
[Link: www.time.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:56:19pm |
re: #684 windsagio
dude, whats with the projection and strawmen out of you lately? Between yesterday and today, its like you're reading posts from me that don't really exist.
Ha... My point is spot on. Go search some of the "scary christians" topics that have been discussed here.
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keloyd Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:56:21pm |
re: #655 windsagio
I've mentioned this guy before, but he's really cool, so here goes. An author, CIA analyst, and statistician with the totally not made-up name of "Bruce Buena de Mesquita" wrote a book backing up your points. A search on Amazon will bring up lots of good stuff. He had the nerd-cred to quote Isaac Asimov's Foundation series on Jon Stewart's Daily Show when publicizing his last book. He predicts stuff for a living, mostly elections and wars, but also Iran's foreign policy and internal politics. In my academic career, I have gotten a taste of the spooky math world he lives in, enough of a taste to be in awe of what he does, but not really do it myself.
Cliff Notes version of his book - Iran's behavior demonstrate that it is evil but rational, loosely similar to a dozen other military dictatorships. It's in their interest to develop nukes a bit further in order to get bribed to stop for a higher price from the international community. Also, Ahmadinashore is more of a religious zealot than the mullahs who hold the real power. They were against his election due to his inflammatory talk. The military holds more power after the election shenanigans, and military juntas are even less irrational than mullahs. Evil? maybe Stupid? no Suicidal? NO.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:56:23pm |
re: #682 HappyWarrior
Seriously, Beck and King are just doing this crap because they will oppose anything Obama does. I mean I am sure Bush and Reagan had votes on Sunday as well. These dudes really just need to get the hell over themselves. They exhibit the same narcissism what they accuse Obama of having.
The Terri Schaivo vote was on Palm Sunday in 2005.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:56:41pm |
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:56:55pm |
re: #681 Rightwingconspirator
And I do not believe for a second the Chinese would militarily retaliate if we hit the NK launchers and nuclear production facilities. Nor for us defending South Korea. Nor will Russia do the same over Iran.
no but they Chinese might offer to trade NK for Taiwan at any time...
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:57:37pm |
Tell you what - last thing the PRC needs is hundreds of thousands of traumatized, starving civvies coming into their country; nor do they need whole military units crossing over intact and setting up operations in China. They'll break heads to keep the NORKS out, if worse comes to worst.
That's the nightmare scenario for the PRC right there. NORKS slug it out, get whomped on, and start running north.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:57:54pm |
re: #693 windsagio
Indian and Pakistan kinda sort having bombs did definitely change the power structure in the region, and took power away from the US to influence.
It didn't completely cut us out, but it definitely had an effect.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:57:58pm |
re: #687 iceweasel
It's an open thread, how can it be OT??
I really can't help but think it's an attempt to paint conservatives in a bad light. Like if Fox hired Cindy Sheehan. No other explanation.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:58:08pm |
Remember, this Rep. King (on Beck's show) is the same one that exploited the shooting at the Fed building a few weeks ago, and he is also promoting the Dobson "Prayer" festival coming soon in DC.
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avanti Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:58:23pm |
re: #692 Stanley Sea
The Terri Schaivo vote was on Palm Sunday in 2005.
Good catch, and Palm Sunday to boot.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:58:25pm |
re: #689 Walter L. Newton
Not by me tho :p
I've even argued that I think the 'christians support Israel to start the apocalypse' story is nearly pure myth :p
Send those fights at the people that make them, not at me please :)
/also, aren't you like a hardcore atheist?
| 701 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:58:49pm |
re: #697 cliffster
It's an open thread, how can it be OT??
I really can't help but think it's an attempt to paint conservatives in a bad light. Like if Fox hired Cindy Sheehan. No other explanation.
Or...he's influential on the right-o-sphere...
| 703 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:59:34pm |
re: #697 cliffster
Heh. That is one theory. Or that this behavior is cropping up often enough among bloggers and commentators that the oldsters at CNN just figure it's part of that hip new interwebs culture they've heard so much about.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:59:37pm |
re: #652 Thanos
What's so funny is that the ones who are most up in arms over security measures like this and the new scanners are the ones who raise the biggest stink about border security and Illegal immigration. It makes you wonder some days if they just want the problem to remain unsolved so they have something to spew bile over.
Not quite. I don't think this is a good idea at all. For one, I don't believe the "we're not going to warehouse the information" portion of that story for even a second. Two, I don't think illegal immigration is a big enough problem that we have to go to drastic measures to verify employment.
| 705 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 2:59:58pm |
re: #697 cliffster
I don't think CNN would waste money like that 'just to make conservatives look bad'. See 701.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:00:03pm |
re: #681 Rightwingconspirator
And I do not believe for a second the Chinese would militarily retaliate if we hit the NK launchers and nuclear production facilities. Nor for us defending South Korea. Nor will Russia do the same over Iran.
nobody want's to get in a shoot out with the US...nobody...nip at our heals maybe...the Chinese and Russians are too busy making money right now and they can trust us more than we can trust them
| 707 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:00:59pm |
re: #706 albusteve
the problem is they can easily screw us so many ways, without firing a bullet.
Between the trade imbalance, and how much of our debt they own...
actually, no. I don't even wanna think about it.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:01:01pm |
re: #695 Guanxi88
Tell you what - last thing the PRC needs is
hundreds of thousandstens of millions of traumatized, starving civvies coming into their country; nor do they need whole military units crossing over intact and setting up operations in China. They'll break heads to keep the NORKS out, if worse comes to worst.That's the nightmare scenario for the PRC right there. NORKS slug it out, get whomped on, and start running north.
FTFY.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:01:29pm |
re: #703 Obdicut
Heh. That is one theory. Or that this behavior is cropping up often enough among bloggers and commentators that the oldsters at CNN just figure it's part of that hip new interwebs culture they've heard so much about.
Them young whippersnappers and them b-logs. What the hell is a b-log anyways?
| 710 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:02:01pm |
re: #687 iceweasel
OT: I know we've talked about how terrible it is that CNN would hire Erik Erickson of Red State, but here's a collection of his wimminz-hating statements that I was unfamiliar with:
Erick Erecksion won't be at CNN for long. Hopefully, he got a good agent and has a buyout clause that will cost CNN as much money as they lose in advertising for hiring him. They deserve to suffer as a result of this exercise in stupidity.
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:02:23pm |
re: #697 cliffster
It's an open thread, how can it be OT??
I really can't help but think it's an attempt to paint conservatives in a bad light. Like if Fox hired Cindy Sheehan. No other explanation.
I think it's just general cluelessness on their part. Erik claims, and wants it to be the case, that RedState is some kind of huge grass activism/powerhouse/influential site. He's always running stupid stunts like encouraging people to send rock salt to Olympia Snowe and bullshit like that. He envisages RS as some kind of combination of the NetRoots convention, FDL, and Kos. It fails at all.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:02:31pm |
re: #707 windsagio
the problem is they can easily screw us so many ways, without firing a bullet.
Between the trade imbalance, and how much of our debt they own...
actually, no. I don't even wanna think about it.
good point, but their greatest weapon is patience... time is on their side.
| 713 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:02:57pm |
re: #700 windsagio
/also, aren't you like a hardcore atheist?
That's so interesting a comment. What makes a hardcore atheist? Someone who doesn't believe in g-d more than some softer atheist?
Hey man, when you don't believe, you don't believe... nothing hard about it.
And my understanding of major world religions is better that most practitioners.
| 714 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:03:15pm |
re: #704 RogueOne
Not quite. I don't think this is a good idea at all. For one, I don't believe the "we're not going to warehouse the information" portion of that story for even a second. Two, I don't think illegal immigration is a big enough problem that we have to go to drastic measures to verify employment.
And besides that the census stalkers can probably read the card through the walls of your house too!
//
| 715 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:04:11pm |
re: #713 Walter L. Newton
"The sarc tags, they do nothing!"
| 716 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:04:17pm |
re: #711 iceweasel
Maybe, pretty silly either way. Maybe he'll calm the fuck down, who knows?
| 717 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:04:51pm |
re: #716 cliffster
You certainly can't blame him for taking his shot at the bigtime >
| 718 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:05:13pm |
re: #711 iceweasel
I think it's just general cluelessness on their part. Erik claims, and wants it to be the case, that RedState is some kind of huge grass activism/powerhouse/influential site. He's always running stupid stunts like encouraging people to send rock salt to Olympia Snowe and bullshit like that. He envisages RS as some kind of combination of the NetRoots convention, FDL, and Kos. It fails at all.
Yes, but now he'll have enough money to buy that PT Cruiser he's always wanted. Though with a TV gig he might upgrade to a Cobalt.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:05:16pm |
re: #716 cliffster
Maybe, pretty silly either way. Maybe he'll calm the fuck down, who knows?
It's nuts that that type of resume gets him a job at all. They just ignored it or something.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:05:17pm |
re: #713 Walter L. Newton
That's so interesting a comment. What makes a hardcore atheist? Someone who doesn't believe in g-d more than some softer atheist?
Hey man, when you don't believe, you don't believe... nothing hard about it.
And my understanding of major world religions is better that most practitioners.
heh
"dude...my unbelief is so much stronger than yours"
"no way, man...i totally don't believe at all"
| 721 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:05:47pm |
No, it isn't. Further, the RoK's K1A! MBT has the same firepower and protection advantages over the Nork's tanks that the M! does (though it is slower). That's why I say the North could not do what they once could: They've gotten worse and the South has gotten better.
The south has really always had the advantage militarily, at least since the armistice in 1953. This long-running propaganda about the Norks' invincible million man army is just that: propaganda. I even suspect that this trope was borrowed to inflate the reputation of Saddam's invincible million man army before the Persian Gulf war.
The RoK (southern) army is, and has long been, one of the best trained in the world. They are at least a generation ahead of the Norks in equipment, more than that in some cases, and they have had more than 50 years to fortify the Uijongbu corridor from the DMZ to Seoul.
Another frequent theme is the alleged ease with which Nork artillery could "flatten Seoul." In fact, most of their artillery is of WW2 vintage and the very longest ranged pieces could only reach the northern suburbs of Seoul even in the unlikely event that they were dragged right up to the edge of the DMZ (by horse teams perhaps?).
Finally, the RoK army is actually the larger of the two if trained and organized reserves are included.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:06:03pm |
re: #693 windsagio
Disagree with that point. How much influence did we lose when, say, China, Israel, Pakistan, or India got the bomb?
re: #676 The Shadow Do
I said above :P Prestige, and MAD with Israel.
Prestige my ass. The word is power.
And you did. I told you not to. You argue self defense.
Tough to talk to a unicorn. Are you serious?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:06:26pm |
re: #720 Aceofwhat?
heh
"dude...my unbelief is so much stronger than yours"
"no way, man...i totally don't believe at all"
/I don't believe you.
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keloyd Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:06:44pm |
Speaking of North Korea, they killed a very high official today. The man who botched their currency reform was scapegoated with extreme prejudice.
We usually only hear stories about people starving, but there is a lively black market and quasi-mafia underground economy and "government" (not unlike how the Sicilian mafia got started in the absence of competent institutions.) This guy tried to cancel out the life savings that everyone kept on the down low in their mattresses. The result was more rioting than in the last famine.
| 725 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:06:50pm |
re: #722 The Shadow Do
To be blunt, your pretensions of superior savvy and knowledge are annoying.
In the end, you don't know any better than I do.
| 726 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:07:19pm |
| 727 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:07:22pm |
re: #715 windsagio
"The sarc tags, they do nothing!"
Sarcasm tags. That's Sarcasm 101. Really, you need to move up to a more nuance rhetorical style... drop the tags, take responsibility for your statements... I do :)
I like you Windy. You're the younger brother I never got to smack around.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:08:11pm |
re: #697 cliffster
It's an open thread, how can it be OT??
I really can't help but think it's an attempt to paint conservatives in a bad light. Like if Fox hired Cindy Sheehan. No other explanation.
Concur.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:08:18pm |
re: #707 windsagio
the problem is they can easily screw us so many ways, without firing a bullet.
Between the trade imbalance, and how much of our debt they own...
actually, no. I don't even wanna think about it.
Mexican stand off. They own the debt, we own the market for their crap.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:08:46pm |
re: #710 darthstar
Erick Erecksion won't be at CNN for long. Hopefully, he got a good agent and has a buyout clause that will cost CNN as much money as they lose in advertising for hiring him. They deserve to suffer as a result of this exercise in stupidity.
They're barely in the top 30, nuber 29 to be exact, in the ratings. How much more can they suffer?
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:09:22pm |
re: #716 cliffster
Maybe, pretty silly either way. Maybe he'll calm the fuck down, who knows?
I don't find his remarks about women 'silly'. Nor his other statements. Let's recap some of Erikson's resume:
For example, it wasn't long ago when Erickson explained his belief on why the left has a stronger online presence than the right. He attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives "have families because we don't abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism."
This is the same Erickson who recently called retired Supreme Court Justice David Souter a "goat f--king child molester," referred to two sitting U.S. senators as "healthcare suicide bombers," praised protesters for "tell[ing] Nancy Pelosi and the Congress to send Obama to a death panel" (he later backpedaled on that one), and described President Obama's Nobel Prize as "an affirmative action quota."
And perhaps my personal favorite was the time, just last year, when Erickson was angry about new environmental regulations relating to dishwasher detergent. He told his readers, "At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?"
There was a point when major professional outlets would look at a voice like this as an "extremist," to be shut out of the mainstream of America's civil discourse. CNN, however, considers this record of radical rhetoric, and concludes it should pay him to offer on-air political commentary.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:09:46pm |
I was at the grocery store the other day.. at the checkout line where they do their hyper-merchandising and their magazines. saw this book.. had to be a joke. HAD to be. but it wasn't. So I whipped out my phone and took a pic. I'm going on a limb here because now the stalkers will know what the tip of my left thumb looks like, but I had to share with my buddies here.
Also at Amazon. Idiot's guide to connecting with Angels. Hello, McGod.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:09:47pm |
re: #664 Joo-LiZ
I think the opposite is true -- there is a tendency to think of them as rational actors, like the Soviets were.
It completely ignores the specifics of Iran.
The sect of Islam to which Ahmadinejad and Khameini subscribe really is quite worrisome in terms of any possible "containment" strategy like MAD.
I doubt they would want to commit suicide THEMSELVES... but I also think they wouldn't be stopped by the thought of a losing an Iranian city or two, while they hide out in bunkers/in hiding.
I'm old enough to remember back when we didn't think the Sovs were rational actors.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:09:59pm |
re: #727 Walter L. Newton
Sarcasm tags. That's Sarcasm 101. Really, you need to move up to a more nuance rhetorical style... drop the tags, take responsibility for your statements... I do :)
I like you Windy. You're the younger brother I never got to smack around.
I thought he was a woman...are you sure?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:10:15pm |
re: #729 The Shadow Do
Mexican stand off. They own the debt, we own the market for their crap.
so they expand while we contract... all very peaceful all tao.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:10:22pm |
I'm sitting here listening to the weather, checking the ham radio operators, visiting my local weather feed on the internet... we're fixing to get slammed with probably a foot or more of snow in the next 24 hours.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:10:31pm |
re: #729 The Shadow Do
Mexican stand off. They own the debt, we own the market for their crap.
and we can always stiff them if we need to
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:10:48pm |
re: #669 Walter L. Newton
Sure... but rogue "christians" are going to bring in the end times for the messiah. The left always telling us how dangerous christians are, but a country run by radical Islamic mullahs are sane and reasonable.
Right.
Did Wind say anything about Christians?
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:11:05pm |
re: #727 Walter L. Newton
I like that :D
The problem Walter (I just can't do walt, it makes me crazy. You can still call me windy tho :p), is that you're so unpredictable as to when I think you'll actually get a joke or not. So occasionally, especially when you're in 'feisty old coot' mode, I have to use the tags for something I know you won't get... and then you don't get it anyways :(
The low level sparring is certainly fun tho', just try to keep it to the awful things I actually say, there certainly are enough of them!
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:11:19pm |
re: #731 iceweasel
Meaning - silly to hire him. Benefit of the doubt, now.. ;)
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:11:52pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:12:14pm |
re: #673 Joo-LiZ
Also... (unrelated to the quoted the post but directed at you)...
Many people ignore the political rammifications of Iran OBTAINING a bomb. Even if they don't use it at all.
It will mean a radical realignment of geostrategic forces, and the US will lose a LOT of influence.
That's a big issue, and is my best guess at this time--they want nukes for the prestige nukes give you on the block. And that will be a big problem.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:12:40pm |
re: #733 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm old enough to remember back when we didn't think the Sovs were rational actors.
well...their whole commie plot to sap our precious bodily fluids was pretty insane...
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:12:45pm |
re: #742 cliffster
Meaning - silly to hire him. Benefit of the doubt, now.. ;)
Well, yeah. I would use a phrase like 'a fucking disgrace', but that's me and my lib potty mouth for ya. ;)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:13:00pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:13:04pm |
re: #739 SanFranciscoZionist
Did Wind say anything about Christians?
No... I did... go back and read my comment. I was making a comparison to how people see certain religious fanatics.
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:13:32pm |
re: #679 windsagio
In my opinion, its 5 years out max. Of course I could be wrong :P
re: #664 Joo-LiZ
I think its the divide between their rhetoric and their real beliefs. Even if they survive, if they enter a nuclear exchange with anyone, their power is over, their rule is over, and eventually they'll be hunted down (Now that's a war crimes trial!). It comes down to the idea that someone who was totally in tune with the mindset you're describing wouldn't have the wherewithal to struggle to the top of a nation.
re: #693 windsagio
Disagree with that point. How much influence did we lose when, say, China, Israel, Pakistan, or India got the bomb?
re: #676 The Shadow Do
I said above :P Prestige, and MAD with Israel.
I agree there can be a lot of valid debate about where exactly the mentality of the Iranian regime is in terms of MAD/actual use of a weapon/crazy religious nut-case-iness.
However, I think it is a big mistake to compare Iran to Pakistan/China/N.K.
I generally agree with Barry Rubin's analysis of this situation.
There is a battle on between Islamists and Nationalists in the Arab world. The Islamists are represented by the Iran/Syria/Hizballah/Hamas bloc, and each Arab state has a Muslim Brotherhood branch agitating to take control of the country.
The competition in the Arab world is not about which country can be most moderate, but rather (thanks to a century of rhetoric in this direction), about which system is better at resisting the West, restoring Arab/Muslim pride, removing Israel, etc.
So far, in the Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, etc.) the governments have been able to maintain control by clamping down very hard on the Islamists. THey have been able to maintain this control despite a huge loss of prestige in their failed attempts at destroying Israel.
It is for this reason that a lot of the Arab states are very scared of Iran. If Iran proves to be able to do in action what they have only been doing in words (namely defying the West), it will be a rallying cry for Muslim Brotherhood groups and Islamist militias throughout the Middle East. Hizballah and Hamas will be empowered, and there MAY or may not be a war with Israel. Whether that means a nuke is used or not -- it would be a really bad war for Israel because it would have lost a great deal of it's deterrence.
At that point, Arab states will have a few options. Either a) accept a US "defense umbrella" b) try to get their own nuclear arms to counter Irans (India/Pakistan situation) c) appease Iran to avoid being overthrown/stay in the good books of the "winners".
Anyone who opts for a) would be at a disadvantage because they would be tarred as collaborating with the West, and quite frankly, why should they trust the US after it failed to prevent Iran from getting nuclear capability -- something that the US has specfically said it is trying to prevent.
They will likely all go for b) regardless. A highly destabilizing possibility. Do you remember how panicked the world got when the Pakistani Taliban got within a few miles of the Pakistani capital and its Nuclear arms? Imagine that threat all throughout the Middle East.
For the exact same reasons as they wouldn't opt for a) most states would probably opt for c), and Iran would have no reason to hold back when its strategy of provoking the West and promoting Islamism has proved so profitable to them.
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:13:38pm |
re: #750 Joo-LiZ
It would all around be a bad situation, and not just for the off chance of Iran actually USING a Nuke, or handing one off to their terror proxies.
Even if there is, say, a 10% chance the Iran would be willing to use a Nuke against Israel and absorb the retaliation themselves (which various non-Ahmedinejad clerics in Iran have said quite explicitly), I say a 10% chance is 10% too high.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:13:50pm |
re: #675 Aceofwhat?
I missed the part where that train of thought stops at the GWBush station...remind me again how sharp and savvy you think he is, since he climbed a much taller mountain and stayed on top for an extra term...;)
So, basically, you feel that Bush proves that any schmuck can run Persia for thirty years? I miss the exact line of reasoning there, but OK.
//
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:14:12pm |
re: #744 Bagua
In general, you don't say Mazel Tov until the baby is born; it's not over yet.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:14:19pm |
re: #747 iceweasel
Well, yeah. I would use a phrase like 'a fucking disgrace', but that's me and my lib potty mouth for ya. ;)
fucking progressive...
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:14:26pm |
re: #745 SanFranciscoZionist
That's a big issue, and is my best guess at this time--they want nukes for the prestige nukes give you on the block. And that will be a big problem.
Great point. What that "prestige" amounts to is a sword of destruction hanging over Israel's head, not to mention everyone else the Iranians may target.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:14:27pm |
re: #677 Walter L. Newton
Well, of course it's complicated when you have to make rogue christians look more dangerous than a country run by radical Islamic clergyman who have a full air force, military, navy and tons of money.
Have I ever done that?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:15:59pm |
re: #680 Aceofwhat?
So did Saddam.
He was smart as hell, and would have stayed in power if the U.S. hadn't come to rumble. If the mullahs are half that savvy, they are savvy indeed.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:32pm |
re: #750 Joo-LiZ
For the exact same reasons as they wouldn't opt for a) most states would probably opt for c), and Iran would have no reason to hold back when its strategy of provoking the West and promoting Islamism has proved so profitable to them.
indeed.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:34pm |
re: #721 Shiplord Kirel
The south has really always had the advantage militarily, at least since the armistice in 1953. This long-running propaganda about the Norks' invincible million man army is just that: propaganda. I even suspect that this trope was borrowed to inflate the reputation of Saddam's invincible million man army before the Persian Gulf war.
The RoK (southern) army is, and has long been, one of the best trained in the world. They are at least a generation ahead of the Norks in equipment, more than that in some cases, and they have had more than 50 years to fortify the Uijongbu corridor from the DMZ to Seoul.
Another frequent theme is the alleged ease with which Nork artillery could "flatten Seoul." In fact, most of their artillery is of WW2 vintage and the very longest ranged pieces could only reach the northern suburbs of Seoul even in the unlikely event that they were dragged right up to the edge of the DMZ (by horse teams perhaps?).Finally, the RoK army is actually the larger of the two if trained and organized reserves are included.
I have bad news, it's not a myth. N. Korea is scary. When I went through my Basic Officers Course at Ft. Huachuca (best base ever btw) they held some of our classes in secure areas. Searched going in, searched going out, and built so no sound was able to escape the building. The only briefing I ever had in that building that actually had me concerned was one on N. Korea.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:38pm |
re: #748 cliffster
Hehe, exactly. Connect with God in 21 days or less
21 days?! Can I get the Cliffs Notes?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:44pm |
re: #752 SanFranciscoZionist
So, basically, you feel that Bush proves that any schmuck can run Persia for thirty years? I miss the exact line of reasoning there, but OK.
//
I'm comfortable standing pat on the notion that keeping hold of a country does not necessarily equate to "sharp" and "savvy" in a way that translates to capably juggling nuclear pursuits.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:47pm |
re: #754 Aceofwhat?
I think you mean Lumbering Proglodyte ™
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:55pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:16:59pm |
re: #741 windsagio
I like that :D
The problem Walter (I just can't do walt, it makes me crazy. You can still call me windy tho :p), is that you're so unpredictable as to when I think you'll actually get a joke or not. So occasionally, especially when you're in 'feisty old coot' mode, I have to use the tags for something I know you won't get... and then you don't get it anyways :(
The low level sparring is certainly fun tho', just try to keep it to the awful things I actually say, there certainly are enough of them!
Ok... I'll be really honest with you. I get all your jokes, and most everyones jokes. But, I also see humor as also a way to make a point, but with deniability.
Feisty old coot is a character I play on the interwebs. And I use that as my way of making a point.
It's all a virtual world.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:17:56pm |
re: #759 RogueOne
I should add the South would kick the crap out of N. Korea but not before there were hundreds of thousands of casualties. I'm talking that many casualties in the first 48 hours.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:18:00pm |
re: #755 Bagua
Great point. What that "prestige" amounts to is a sword of destruction hanging over Israel's head, not to mention everyone else the Iranians may target.
Which is a good reason to not let the mullahs have them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:18:12pm |
re: #682 HappyWarrior
Seriously, Beck and King are just doing this crap because they will oppose anything Obama does. I mean I am sure Bush and Reagan had votes on Sunday as well. These dudes really just need to get the hell over themselves. They exhibit the same narcissism what they accuse Obama of having.
Not really. They're not all about themselves, they're all about OBAMA.
But it is nutty. I am willing to bet there've been votes on Sunday before, and that these guys have been known to go into work on a Sunday a time or two. They're trying to invoke a cultural standard that simply doesn't exist in most of the country.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:18:25pm |
re: #757 SanFranciscoZionist
He was smart as hell, and would have stayed in power if the U.S. hadn't come to rumble. If the mullahs are half that savvy, they are savvy indeed.
Perhaps we are using the same term in different ways. I'm not sure that quite so many people needed to die during his tenure in order for him to remain in power. Brutality, to me, is usually a sign of a lack of savvy.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:18:34pm |
re: #764 Walter L. Newton
I get all your jokes, and most everyones jokes. But, I also see humor as also a way to make a point, but with deniability.
Quoted for freakin' freakin' true.
I guess the problem is then that you have to call me out in a more recognizable manner :P (Naturally, none of the problem is with me)
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:19:05pm |
re: #766 Dark_Falcon
You should read the article I linked; the situation in Iran is not so simple as 'the mullahs' being in control. There's a lot of internal tensions between the mullahs, the military, and the bureaucracy.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:19:33pm |
re: #760 The Shadow Do
21 days?! Can I get the Cliffs Notes?
The road to spiritual enlightenment is long and fraught with cleansing suffering and danger. Or, you can read this 50 page paperback. All for only $19.99
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:19:38pm |
re: #692 Stanley Sea
The Terri Schaivo vote was on Palm Sunday in 2005.
But that was doing GOD'S work. Whereas healthcare reform is of the Devil.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:19:41pm |
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:20:35pm |
Hey all. Well my happiness due finally getting speedy connection to the net was short lived. Just got of the phone with Mom. My sister has not been well and saw a neurologist yesterday. He family doc thought maybe MS. The neuro said no not MS but something is definitely wrong. She has little muscle tone and keeps losing weight. Neuro suspect some sort of brain lesion so is sending her for an MRI. I don't know what that means and avoiding any internet googling because I'm seriously trying not to freak out here and go where my brain is heading because it's not good.
Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing that turned out okay? Things can be done to fix these sort of things right?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:20:42pm |
re: #766 Dark_Falcon
Which is a good reason to not let the mullahs have them.
/well if God really is on your side, why would you need a nuke?
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:20:56pm |
The biggest military difference between North and South Korea is probably in their air forces, even discounting the very substantial US forces based in Korea and nearby Japan.
RoK AF
Nork AF
The Norks have a single MiG-29 squadron dedicated to the defense of Pyongyang (ie the oligarchy's dear asses) while the rest of their large force is equipped with obsolete aircraft like the SU-7 and MiG-21 and even with relics like the MiG-17 and the An-2 biplane.
There is a danger here, though, as cited in the wikipedia article on the Nork AF. With no hope of contesting air superiority or of supporting the army for any useful length of time, the Norks might resort to an "air Tet," a massive and virtually suicidal attack on the south with all available aircraft. Given the short ranges, and with high losses taken for granted, such an onslaught could temporarily overwhelm any air defense ever developed and do major, or at least visually impressive, damage. It would be over after that, with RoK and US units racking up world record one day kill totals and the media moaning over the failure to stop the attack entirely. It would cost Kim his whole air force but it might give him a propaganda coup, which is the only use to which it could be put.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:22:16pm |
re: #764 Walter L. Newton
Ok... I'll be really honest with you. I get all your jokes, and most everyones jokes. But, I also see humor as also a way to make a point, but with deniability.
Feisty old coot is a character I play on the interwebs. And I use that as my way of making a point.
It's all a virtual world.
I'm actually nicer online than I am in person. I'm actually a real asshole.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:22:34pm |
re: #774 Jadespring
Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing that turned out okay? Things can be done to fix these sort of things right?
I think it's hard to say until the tests come back, but we can pray for her-
| 779 |
Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:23:12pm |
re: #679 windsagio
Also, I'm just curious... have you heard the specifics of WHY Ahmedinejad and Khameini are considered "religious nutjob"-y enough to use a Nuke and not care about the consequences, and simply reject it, or has nobody told you yet?
The whole "Hidden Imam" and being able to bring him about through a catastrophic global war theory...
| 780 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:23:19pm |
re: #769 windsagio
Quoted for freakin' freakin' true.
I guess the problem is then that you have to call me out in a more recognizable manner :P (Naturally, none of the problem is with me)
It's not a you against me, it's not me calling you out or vice versa, it's just a discussion with virtual bits and bytes. And none of the problem is with you, or me. I don't know you, I don't let a single thing that goes on here be my measure of a person.
That happens if I meet you, as I have met a many Lizards over the last 7 years here, live and in color. I can assure you that you would be so surprised how different a lot of people are in real life.
This is all a brain fuck, a mental exercise. I don't think one of us would let another one of us suffer aver something in real life.
So... really, don't ever take it personal.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:23:30pm |
re: #774 Jadespring
Hey all. Well my happiness due finally getting speedy connection to the net was short lived. Just got of the phone with Mom. My sister has not been well and saw a neurologist yesterday. He family doc thought maybe MS. The neuro said no not MS but something is definitely wrong. She has little muscle tone and keeps losing weight. Neuro suspect some sort of brain lesion so is sending her for an MRI. I don't know what that means and avoiding any internet googling because I'm seriously trying not to freak out here and go where my brain is heading because it's not good.
Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing that turned out okay? Things can be done to fix these sort of things right?
Can I put your sister on the LGF prayer list?
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:23:31pm |
re: #774 Jadespring
Yes, there are often brain lesions that are reparable, have limited effects, and are non-fatal.
However, if her condition is degrading, that's not a good sign. Hopefully it's a repairable lesion on a non-tricky area. All brain surgery carries risks.
It can also be the big C, I'm afraid. Some lesions are caused by cancer.
We have advanced hugely in the past twenty years, though. So there is definitely hope for complete recovery; but it matters what the cause is.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:23:57pm |
re: #777 RogueOne
oh I forgot to add, in my response to Walter above, so I'll put it here:
I really think that unless they're trying really hard, people end up playing themselves, unvarnished on the internet. You're MORE likely to say what you really think and believe online, and MORE likely to react with bile.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:24:18pm |
re: #767 SanFranciscoZionist
... and that these guys have been known to go into work on a Sunday a time or two.
What!? Are you calling them hypocrites? You'd be in good company:
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."
3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that one[a] greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
9Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"
11He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."
13Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. 14But the
PhariseesWingnuts went out and plotted how they might killJesusanything President Obama might try.
/New Freetoken Version
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:24:19pm |
re: #771 cliffster
The road to spiritual enlightenment is long and fraught with cleansing suffering and danger. Or, you can read this 50 page paperback. All for only $19.99
Don't I get a cheese slicer with that offer?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:24:49pm |
re: #750 Joo-LiZ
The stability of the MAD doctrine is tied to the number of players. Inversely. I would suspect the math goes like this-Each additional nuclear weapons state doubles the risk of use. Add the martyrdom factor for a nuclear suicide bomber and MAD utterly fails.
Are we there yet?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:24:55pm |
re: #749 Walter L. Newton
No... I did... go back and read my comment. I was making a comparison to how people see certain religious fanatics.
Well, which is it? Are religious fanatics deadly dangerous or not? /
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:25:21pm |
re: #781 HoosierHoops
Can I put your sister on the LGF prayer list?
I think she already is but yes feel free to add to it. Maybe something along the lines that the tests will turn out to be something they can do something about.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:25:26pm |
re: #774 Jadespring
You are smart not to google. I will say that my wife went through some stuff like that. No loss of muscle tone, a little weight yes. Too, they said maybe MS, maybe something else goofy with the brain. She did an MRI, nothing turned up. Eventually went away. Sucks that there's no "resolution" to give you, but it was several years ago and everything seems fine now. Don't know if that makes you feel any better - try not to think about it, nothing to be done anyways. Just let the experts handle it.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:25:41pm |
re: #780 Walter L. Newton
Now you're just lecturing :p
See my 783, tho', so I don't think you're quite right.
Anyways, don't worry about me :p Its just good to hear you acknowledge these things, makes it easier to go forward :)
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:25:48pm |
re: #627 simoom
Beck is now trying to distance himself from the crazies, talking about some Alaskan armed militia he read about in the paper today and saying, "please, armed resistance/violence is never the answer." And he then had Palin come on the screen and make the same appeal.
It's a little late for Beck, Palin, and the like to try the "plausible deniability" angle to prevent a backlash from coming up on them once someone from the whacko right-wing goes postal...they've been feeding and grooming the beast since the presidential campaign.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:26:14pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:26:25pm |
re: #780 Walter L. Newton
The internet is real life. Behavior on the internet is no more forgiveable than in real life. You really are you typing the words, I'm really me reading them.
Never understood why people insisted there was a difference. I'm not different when I write a letter, not different when I write an email.
People play characters, sure-- they do that face-to-face, too. There's nothing unique about the internet except the lack of physical presence. It's easier for those who want to to play characters. Just easier; not fundamentally different.
Still just human-on-human action.
/except the cyborg Zionist lizard-people, of course.
| 795 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:26:29pm |
re: #767 SanFranciscoZionist
Not really. They're not all about themselves, they're all about OBAMA.
But it is nutty. I am willing to bet there've been votes on Sunday before, and that these guys have been known to go into work on a Sunday a time or two. They're trying to invoke a cultural standard that simply doesn't exist in most of the country.
Dear GOD I wish people would just stop being such big fucking hypocrites.
If you don't like HCR fine, just say so.
If you think it is a bad idea to do anything on the Sabbath that is fine too but that means that you can't go out to eat after church or shop because by doing so you are making others work on the Sabbath.
Assholes.
| 796 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:27:28pm |
re: #759 RogueOne
I have bad news, it's not a myth. N. Korea is scary. When I went through my Basic Officers Course at Ft. Huachuca (best base ever btw) they held some of our classes in secure areas. Searched going in, searched going out, and built so no sound was able to escape the building. The only briefing I ever had in that building that actually had me concerned was one on N. Korea.
I've been to some of those briefings, and some in Seoul and at the Pentagon. If you are right on the line in "the corridor," it is very scary, but the point is that the possibility of the Norks overrunning the south just does not exist. Their equipment and doctrine are well understood and if facts matter at all, they just are not up to the job.
| 797 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:27:42pm |
re: #761 Aceofwhat?
I'm comfortable standing pat on the notion that keeping hold of a country does not necessarily equate to "sharp" and "savvy" in a way that translates to capably juggling nuclear pursuits.
Fair enough.
| 798 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:27:46pm |
re: #777 RogueOne
I'm actually nicer online than I am in person. I'm actually a real asshole.
That's evident :)
| 800 |
Jadespring Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:28:00pm |
re: #790 cliffster
No it does help. Anything positive helps. I know I can't just sit here and worry so I just have to force myself into a positive mindset.
| 801 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:28:02pm |
re: #794 Obdicut
there is another fundamental difference. You don't feel constrained by presence and politeness quite the same ways.
I think its more a case of 'you can say and feel what you really want, and then if it gets ugly claim its a facade'.
Very few people really play a character thats that different from themselves (except, perhaps, in being more extreme versions of themselves)
| 802 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:28:30pm |
re: #785 The Shadow Do
Don't I get a cheese slicer with that offer?
cut your own darn cheese... sheesh
| 803 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:28:39pm |
Well, Lizards, "is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"
Heh, who would have guessed that Matthew could have foreseen the health care debate of 2010?
| 804 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:30:15pm |
re: #794 Obdicut
The internet is real life. Behavior on the internet is no more forgiveable than in real life. You really are you typing the words, I'm really me reading them.
Never understood why people insisted there was a difference. I'm not different when I write a letter, not different when I write an email.
People play characters, sure-- they do that face-to-face, too. There's nothing unique about the internet except the lack of physical presence. It's easier for those who want to to play characters. Just easier; not fundamentally different.
Still just human-on-human action.
/except the cyborg Zionist lizard-people, of course.
Yeah, and that guy that cut you off on the highway this morning was really him driving his car, and you were really you almost crashing into the guardrail. Weird how anonymity brings out the true nature.
| 805 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:30:39pm |
re: #768 Aceofwhat?
Perhaps we are using the same term in different ways. I'm not sure that quite so many people needed to die during his tenure in order for him to remain in power. Brutality, to me, is usually a sign of a lack of savvy.
Maybe, but when the whole region plays with what Tom Friedman calls the 'Hama rules', one generally does as well. But yeah, I think we're using the word a bit differently.
| 806 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:31:00pm |
re: #764 Walter L. Newton
It's all a virtual world.
It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it.
-Steven Wright
| 807 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:31:21pm |
re: #801 windsagio
Some people don't feel constrained. I don't know why. Obviously, it's a different medium than speech, letter writing, etc, but I am always confused by the people who decide that common decency therefore doesn't apply, or that it's somehow now a 'game' any more than usual human interaction is.
I think its more a case of 'you can say and feel what you really want, and then if it gets ugly claim its a facade'.
I agree a lot of people engage in that behavior, which is ass-tastic.
Very few people really play a character thats that different from themselves (except, perhaps, in being more extreme versions of themselves)
Yeah, I've read the research that said the same. It's kind of like how when criminals come up with fake cover stories for themselves, it usually involves mutation of truth rather than pure fabrication, making them a lot easier to catch.
| 808 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:32:00pm |
| 809 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:32:03pm |
re: #774 Jadespring
Well with different symptoms D_L had to get a brain MRI. We got the best news. D_L had terrible vertigo and some very scary things going on way into the ear canal. I truly hope & pray you get the same kind of news!
| 810 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:32:19pm |
re: #776 Shiplord Kirel
The biggest military difference between North and South Korea is probably in their air forces, even discounting the very substantial US forces based in Korea and nearby Japan.
RoK AF
Nork AF
The Norks have a single MiG-29 squadron dedicated to the defense of Pyongyang (ie the oligarchy's dear asses) while the rest of their large force is equipped with obsolete aircraft like the SU-7 and MiG-21 and even with relics like the MiG-17 and the An-2 biplane.There is a danger here, though, as cited in the wikipedia article on the Nork AF. With no hope of contesting air superiority or of supporting the army for any useful length of time, the Norks might resort to an "air Tet," a massive and virtually suicidal attack on the south with all available aircraft. Given the short ranges, and with high losses taken for granted, such an onslaught could temporarily overwhelm any air defense ever developed and do major, or at least visually impressive, damage. It would be over after that, with RoK and US units racking up world record one day kill totals and the media moaning over the failure to stop the attack entirely. It would cost Kim his whole air force but it might give him a propaganda coup, which is the only use to which it could be put.
Propaganda coups would not be enough. If the Norks truly throw down the gauntlet like that, I can't see how we'd do anything less than destroy the current regime. Even Obama would have to do that, because the fallout from doing nothing would be worse.
| 811 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:32:30pm |
| 812 |
Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:32:31pm |
re: #679 windsagio
re: #664 Joo-LiZ
I think its the divide between their rhetoric and their real beliefs.
Also... I personally really liked the way Netanyahu put this once.
As Jews, one of the many lessons that we as a people learnt from the Holocaust is the following: If someone tells you they are trying to destroy you... believe them!
While on the one hand, I do see a difference between sharp rhetoric and what a nation will actually do, I also think that when an enemy (who has proven through actions that they are willing to hurt you and your interests) threatens you, it shouldn't be dismissed right away.
| 813 |
RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:32:42pm |
re: #783 windsagio
oh I forgot to add, in my response to Walter above, so I'll put it here:
I really think that unless they're trying really hard, people end up playing themselves, unvarnished on the internet. You're MORE likely to say what you really think and believe online, and MORE likely to react with bile.
I agree but I was being serious. I'm am nicer online than in person. For one, IRL, I don't like strangers just walking up and talking to me.
| 814 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:33:04pm |
re: #781 HoosierHoops
Can I put your sister on the LGF prayer list?
Hoops, while you're at it, can you add my father and Mother-in-law?
| 815 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:33:22pm |
A story… that’s it… I have a story to tell. A rabbi was very sick and the only hospital that had any empty beds was the local Catholic hospital. His nurse was a nun from the local convent. One day she came into his room and noticed that the crucifix that normally hung on the wall over his bed was missing. She asked him good-naturedly, "Rabbi, have you done something with the crucifix?" "Oh, sister," chuckled the rabbi, "I just figured one suffering Jew in this room was enough."
| 816 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:34:29pm |
re: #803 freetoken
Well, Lizards, "is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"
Of course, "danger to life" trumps the obligation to rest.
| 817 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:34:38pm |
re: #807 Obdicut
The trick, I think, is that we do things that we want to do, or at least get some reward from doing.
Very few people get a huge amount of joy in totally pretending to be something they're not (over a long period of time, anyways... Present company excepted, in general on the 'net, its something that professional trolls do). On the other hand, being yourself but over-the-top is very cathartic.
Actually, as I reread your post, I think part of it (like with criminals) is plausability. If something is close to your real experience, it 'reads more true' to you, and you're less likely to screw up big details. Making up stories out of whole cloth is hard, even for the smart of us.
| 818 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:01pm |
re: #815 Walter L. Newton
A story… that’s it… I have a story to tell. A rabbi was very sick and the only hospital that had any empty beds was the local Catholic hospital. His nurse was a nun from the local convent. One day she came into his room and noticed that the crucifix that normally hung on the wall over his bed was missing. She asked him good-naturedly, "Rabbi, have you done something with the crucifix?" "Oh, sister," chuckled the rabbi, "I just figured one suffering Jew in this room was enough."
Loves it!
| 819 |
RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:01pm |
re: #796 Shiplord Kirel
I've been to some of those briefings, and some in Seoul and at the Pentagon. If you are right on the line in "the corridor," it is very scary, but the point is that the possibility of the Norks overrunning the south just does not exist. Their equipment and doctrine are well understood and if facts matter at all, they just are not up to the job.
No, I'm not worried about them being overrun, the South could actually take care of it without our help. I'm more worried about the real possibility of a million dead, including thousands of US army grunts, within a very short time period.
| 820 |
Joo-LiZ Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:16pm |
Anyways -- I'm off for now. End of the day and I am pooped.
I know I threw a hell of a lot out there at you. I almost feel like I was talking to myself there =S
Talk to y'all later!
| 821 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:23pm |
Oh noes...
February 2010 was the 2nd (with the GISS algorithm) or 6th (according to the NCDC algorithm) warmest Feb on record.
| 823 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:29pm |
re: #803 freetoken
Well, Lizards, "is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"
Heh, who would have guessed that Matthew could have foreseen the health care debate of 2010?
Is it alright to commit a crime in order to save a righteous man's life?
| 824 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:37pm |
re: #796 Shiplord Kirel
I've been to some of those briefings, and some in Seoul and at the Pentagon. If you are right on the line in "the corridor," it is very scary, but the point is that the possibility of the Norks overrunning the south just does not exist. Their equipment and doctrine are well understood and if facts matter at all, they just are not up to the job.
agreed...lots of bloodletting, nothing lethal
| 825 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:35:38pm |
re: #814 SanFranciscoZionist
Hoops, while you're at it, can you add my father and Mother-in-law?
Yes..
It would be my humble privilege to add them..
Kind regards
| 826 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:36:12pm |
re: #818 Dark_Falcon
Loves it!
Then... another...
Once there was a man who very much wanted to serve God. He was very puffed up and spent his days giving advice to everyone. One day this man passed through a market place where the Baal Shem Tov stood with a crowd, speaking to the hearts of his listeners. This man heard the Baal Shem Tov say, "God wants the heart." So thinking that he had a new bit of wisdom that could be used to his advantage, he ran home to his wife and ordered her to stew up a cows heart. She did his bidding and then he took the heart to the synagogue and placed it into the Holy Ark where the Torah scrolls are kept. A few days later he returned to find the heart was gone. He rejoiced thinking that he had found a new way to please God, which no one else knew about. And so he continued this practice, certain that he was storing up his riches in the Book of Life. Little did he realize that for many years the poor synagogue beadle had not been able to afford meat for his family! Now the beadle’s prayers were answered. He found a meal delivered almost every night right from God’s open hand.
| 827 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:36:19pm |
re: #824 albusteve
I am interested in the idea that China would try to depose Kim if they thought it was heading to that, I hadn't thought of that.
| 828 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:36:26pm |
re: #759 RogueOne
You might also want to talk to someone who worked with the RoKs in Vietnam, where they provided the third largest allied force after the Republic of Vietnam and the US. Now, that's scary.
| 829 |
RogueOne Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:38:14pm |
I'm going to go focus on the rest of the Butler game. Everyone enjoy your evenings.
| 830 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:38:20pm |
re: #828 Shiplord Kirel
You might also want to talk to someone who worked with the RoKs in Vietnam, where they provided the third largest allied force after the Republic of Vietnam and the US. Now, that's scary.
uh oh....don't go near those guys...they are truly OMG
| 831 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:38:40pm |
| 832 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:38:59pm |
And while CNN is taking in the asshole founder of RedState, they are at least getting rid of one obnoxious reporter:
| 833 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:39:26pm |
re: #829 RogueOne
I'm going to go focus on the rest of the Butler game. Everyone enjoy your evenings.
10 point lead bro!
| 834 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:40:01pm |
re: #817 windsagio
Most people don't realize how much they change their own stories over time in meatspace, either. There have been several studies about the phenomenon-- past memories are reinterpreted in the light of current knowledge and personality.
It's all quite fascinating.
| 835 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:40:38pm |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
Wow... four up dings for that last story, I'm on a karma pimping roll... then... some more rabbinic insight to life...
Aa story about the Baal Shem Tov. His disciples arranged for him a very special Shabbat. When they lit the Shabbat candles the Baal Shem Tov started to chuckle. They couldn’t understand this. During the Shabbat meal they honored the Baal Shem Tov with the first bowl of soup that they had spent all day making. Again he started to laugh.
When they sang one of the Shabbat songs, the Baal Shem Tov could barely contain himself.
The Baal Shem Tov was laughing because he was thinking about a Shabbat that he had attended many… many years ago. He was in the house of a very poor shoemaker and his wife. They only had a few pennies in their pockets, but the wife insisted on preparing a proper Shabbat for the Baal Shem Tov.
There was no money for candles, yet right at sundown, the wife pantomimed the lighting of the candles. As she did, the Baal Shem Tov saw a light radiating from her and he laughed.
There was no money for a decent meal so they had warmed water for soup. The Baal Shem Tov tasted it and he was nourished. And he laughed again.
And then they sang a Shabbat song.
Oh, what strength a righteous woman has!
There is no treasure rarer than this!
Happy is the heart that relies on her,
For such a heart can lack for nothing....
And the Baal Shem Tov was convulsing with joy.
The Baal Shem Tov explained to his disciples. “Therefore this man and this wise woman spent their Shabbat in such deep and holy love that I could hear the angels in heaven laugh and sing and dance with joy. I could not help but to join in this laughter. And the Eternal Heart itself heard them, and it was warmed.”
| 836 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:41:40pm |
re: #833 HoosierHoops
10 point lead bro!
My Texas boys are playing tonight. C'mon, fellas.. don't forget you were #1 at one point. I'm not asking them to win it all, but at least get out of the first round..
| 837 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:42:08pm |
re: #834 Obdicut
The internet version is one of my favorite subjects :)
Also! I think its amazing how quickly that kind of thing starts. You start misinterpreting what happened before you've even done anything :p
| 838 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:42:18pm |
re: #801 windsagio
re: #807 Obdicut
It's the anonymity. It doesn't merely function in the ways usually mentioned, where people feel freer to be rude, or whatever.
The lack of any contact other than words on a screen means that it's incredibly easy for people to project fantasies onto others. It's common place to talk about projection, but the anonymity and the lack of physical data mean that projection is just everywhere. People working out issues in their own lives.
Look at the stalkers. They talk about Charles as if he's the father who rejected him. They are personally outraged by him, as if he were a friend or someone in their real life who betrayed them in some fundamental way. It is crazy-- and it happens all over the place.
| 839 |
keloyd Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:42:47pm |
re: #832 Dark_Falcon
WOO! She's getting David Brinkley's old job on Sunday morning. I'm just old enough to remember his dry wit and live smackdown of Bill Clinton, for which he never apologized. Now if they can whip Nightline back into shape. It's turned into another half hour of Entertainment Tonight.
| 840 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:44:14pm |
And a Rhode Island teacher goes Full Mental Wingnut:
Fired Rhode Island Teacher Hangs Effigy of Obama in Classroom
When you hang the President in effigy, you have crossed the line between vigorous protest and hating.
| 841 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:45:37pm |
re: #838 iceweasel
That ties in to humans enjoyment of righteous outrage too tho'. Who doesn't love getting seriously pissed off?
One of the amazing things about blogs like this with a high volume is how much you think you know about the people on the other side.
Emotionally, I think I can pretty accurately describe the real personalities behind the facade with alot of the posters on here. I'm probably wrong of course, but I feel so sure :p Amazing subject in general.
| 842 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:45:48pm |
re: #800 Jadespring
No it does help. Anything positive helps. I know I can't just sit here and worry so I just have to force myself into a positive mindset.
Keep the faith. My daughter was slowly reduced to constant pain and crutches and failing health. A week at the Mayo clinic revealed she had celiac disease. this was after mutiple specialists the last of whom said it was all between her ears.
Last year she competed in Austrailia in the world triathalon championships.
Not the same, I know. But sometimes you just don't know. Yes there is hope.
| 843 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:46:38pm |
re: #840 Dark_Falcon
And a Rhode Island teacher goes Full Mental Wingnut:
Fired Rhode Island Teacher Hangs Effigy of Obama in Classroom
When you hang the President in effigy, you have crossed the line between vigorous protest and hating.
What.The.F**k?!?
| 844 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:47:02pm |
re: #840 Dark_Falcon
And a Rhode Island teacher goes Full Mental Wingnut:
Fired Rhode Island Teacher Hangs Effigy of Obama in Classroom
When you hang the President in effigy, you have crossed the line between vigorous protest and hating.
Good Lord.
| 845 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:48:12pm |
re: #774 Jadespring
Hey all. Well my happiness due finally getting speedy connection to the net was short lived. Just got of the phone with Mom. My sister has not been well and saw a neurologist yesterday. He family doc thought maybe MS. The neuro said no not MS but something is definitely wrong. She has little muscle tone and keeps losing weight. Neuro suspect some sort of brain lesion so is sending her for an MRI. I don't know what that means and avoiding any internet googling because I'm seriously trying not to freak out here and go where my brain is heading because it's not good.
Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing that turned out okay? Things can be done to fix these sort of things right?
Best wishes and prayers for your sister.
As far as prognosis, until you have an accurate diagnosis it is best not to speculate.
| 846 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:48:17pm |
re: #838 iceweasel
Look at the way Lizards even treat each other.
| 847 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:48:51pm |
A common plight, as witnessed around here too:
'World News' Listens to the American Middle Class
Many middle class Americans wrote us about their struggles to find work."Here in Tucson, a restaurant had 8 openings and 200 applicants," wrote wandering41645 on the site.
"We are baby boomers and I think most of the people hurting are baby boomers," said bulldogzig. "We are close to retiring and who wants to hire us?"
| 848 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:49:17pm |
re: #840 Dark_Falcon
Soft padded room needs a new boarder.
| 849 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:50:14pm |
re: #794 Obdicut
There's nothing unique about the internet except the lack of physical presence.
Body language, tone of voice, eye contact or not, all the gradings between lower caps and CAPS; not to mention overall sensory impression on another.
I think these omissions are a serious communication limitation, compensated for by my ability to sit here talking to the world dressed in a bath robe, having just got out of the shower.
| 850 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:51:25pm |
a real Cloaking Device...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
| 851 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:51:46pm |
re: #840 Dark_Falcon
And a Rhode Island teacher goes Full Mental Wingnut:
Fired Rhode Island Teacher Hangs Effigy of Obama in Classroom
When you hang the President in effigy, you have crossed the line between vigorous protest and hating.
wow... at least no one was hurt.
| 852 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:51:57pm |
re: #835 Walter L. Newton
I absolutely LOVE those stories!
| 853 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:52:23pm |
When it rains, it pours:
Brazilian priest allegedly taped having sex with teen
A police investigation continued Thursday into a Catholic abuse scandal in Brazil, which erupted last week when a network aired a video that it said showed a priest having sex with a 19-year-old altar boy.
The report, aired by the SBT television network, identified the priest as 82-year-old Luiz Marques Barbosa.
| 854 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:53:26pm |
re: #853 freetoken
Sad thing before I go:
Depressingly, the first thought in my head was "Wow, at 82?"
| 855 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:53:40pm |
re: #850 albusteve
a real Cloaking Device...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
dude, being able to make yourself invisible would be totally sweet
| 856 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:53:53pm |
re: #841 windsagio
That ties in to humans enjoyment of righteous outrage too tho'. Who doesn't love getting seriously pissed off?
One of the amazing things about blogs like this with a high volume is how much you think you know about the people on the other side.
Emotionally, I think I can pretty accurately describe the real personalities behind the facade with alot of the posters on here. I'm probably wrong of course, but I feel so sure :p Amazing subject in general.
Right-- some people like outrage in normal ways, probably the vast majority of political junkies like all of us do. If we didn't we wouldn't be here-- if we were the Perpetual Outrage people, we'd be posting on fringe sites, and if we were Echo Chamber people, we'd stick to sites were you only get one viewpoint.
Some people aren't about righteous outrage, and they're not even about politics, per se. The vast majority of the stalkers have little to no understanding or real engagement with politics. (if they did, they wouldn't be spending the bulk of their time wailing abou being banned years and years after the fact.)
They're acting out some internal drama. They're getting some kind of emotional gratification from it, from the whole fantasy they're projecting. It didn't have to be about CJ and LGF, they would just as easily have developed that weird attachment and fixation and outrage on a freakin knitting forum or gardening forum or something about someone there.
What I'm gesturing at here is that the anonymity of the internet, the blank screen that the lack of all physical contact provides, means that teh targets of people's obsessions are highly fungible-- if it's not this target, then it would have been some other.
I'm fascinated by all this stuff myself, I have to say. Creepy though.
| 857 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:53:59pm |
re: #853 freetoken
Where does a priest get Viagra?
| 858 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:54:07pm |
re: #850 albusteve
Congratulations, a little in advance.
Can we call you "Grampy" now?
| 859 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:54:12pm |
re: #853 freetoken
When it rains, it pours:
Ewwwwww...
(among other things that could or should be said about this)
| 860 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:54:43pm |
re: #853 freetoken
When it rains, it pours:
Saw that last night. It not just first world Catholic hierarchies that need a housecleaning. The refusal to address this issue has done Catholicism incredible damage.
| 861 |
keloyd Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:55:12pm |
re: #853 freetoken
There are enough unambiguous pedophiles that I'm not going to get too concerned about a priest who seduces someone 19 years old. 19 year olds can take care of themselves.
| 862 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:55:19pm |
re: #856 iceweasel
well, in fairness I leave the stalker thing to the experts :P Most of 'em left before I got here, and I've never been to any of their sites.
You make a compelling argument!
| 863 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:56:04pm |
re: #856 iceweasel
As the ex-moderator of several gaming forums, I can completely agree that the subject matter doesn't really matter; the drama llamas run through it all.
| 864 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:56:21pm |
re: #858 Floral Giraffe
Congratulations, a little in advance.
Can we call you "Grampy" now?
thanks...I suppose you can...I'm cool with it, Grampy/Grumpy whatever
| 865 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:56:26pm |
re: #862 windsagio
I do think that (and this might be annoying to some) both sides get some satisfaction out of the stalker thing. The amount of attention it gets on here speaks to that.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:57:01pm |
re: #855 cliffster
dude, being able to make yourself invisible would be totally sweet
I have plans for mine...mwahahaha!
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:57:06pm |
re: #846 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Look at the way Lizards even treat each other.
Yes. For example, the way they flounce, get banned, or otherwise leave and turn into stalkers when they don't get their emotional needs met.
| 868 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:57:09pm |
re: #838 iceweasel
re: #807 Obdicut
It's the anonymity. It doesn't merely function in the ways usually mentioned, where people feel freer to be rude, or whatever.
The lack of any contact other than words on a screen means that it's incredibly easy for people to project fantasies onto others. It's common place to talk about projection, but the anonymity and the lack of physical data mean that projection is just everywhere. People working out issues in their own lives.Look at the stalkers. They talk about Charles as if he's the father who rejected him. They are personally outraged by him, as if he were a friend or someone in their real life who betrayed them in some fundamental way. It is crazy-- and it happens all over the place.
Your right of course, I felt utterly betrayed by you when I found out this wasn't actually your picture...
Image: kitty.jpg
Thats ok I got over it once a non-stalker sent me your actual likeness...
Image: bunny15.jpg
///Still, I would have thought an "iceweasel" was more a kitty than a bunny type, oh well different strokes I guess. (just kidding) ;)
| 869 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:57:23pm |
re: #853 freetoken
What is going on in Europe now is getting much too close to the Pope himself. I think the Vatican is at full Defcon 1.
| 871 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:57:53pm |
re: #857 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where does a priest get Viagra?
same place you do I suppose...on line
| 872 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:57:55pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:58:10pm |
re: #867 iceweasel
Yes. For example, the way they flounce, get banned, or otherwise leave and turn into stalkers when they don't get their emotional needs met.
Yes. And the way that many treat each other while they are here.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:58:29pm |
re: #867 iceweasel
Yes. For example, the way they flounce, get banned, or otherwise leave and turn into stalkers when they don't get their emotional needs met.
We can get our emotional needs met? Here?
LOL!
| 876 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:58:55pm |
re: #864 albusteve
thanks...I suppose you can...I'm cool with it, Grampy/Grumpy whatever
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:59:31pm |
actually one last thing, have to keep my and walters relationship on the right tack:
Walter, I don't think you're nearly pretending as much as you imply.
there, hostility restored!
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 3:59:31pm |
re: #865 windsagio
I do think that (and this might be annoying to some) both sides get some satisfaction out of the stalker thing. The amount of attention it gets on here speaks to that.
most definately...I think there is a perverse satisfaction to being stalked, not with everyone certainly
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:00:42pm |
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:00:49pm |
re: #865 windsagio
I do think that (and this might be annoying to some) both sides get some satisfaction out of the stalker thing. The amount of attention it gets on here speaks to that.
I think that's less true than it used to be.
I'm raising that specific phenomenon only because it's the one everyone will be familiar with here. It happens all over the net though. Write anything public with a large enough audience and you'll eventually get vicious and abusive and inappropriately personal attention. It's the projection and the anonymity.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:01:23pm |
re: #877 windsagio
actually one last thing, have to keep my and walters relationship on the right tack:
Walter, I don't think you're nearly pretending as much as you imply.
there, hostility restored!
well everything was fine till 6:00 and then things turned south... what happens at six???
| 882 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:01:39pm |
re: #878 albusteve
I went to the stalkers once, said, "Shame on you"...
That was the only time. Hell, I can't even remember the name of the site.
Please don't remind me.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:01:45pm |
re: #847 freetoken
A common plight, as witnessed around here too:
The new "hiring stimulus" may make this even worse. It provides an incentive to hire the unemployed by granting a full year's exclusion of the employer's contribution to the employee's Social Security taxes, and provides a reward of a few thousand dollars per hire to sweeten the deal even more. It does not, however, provide any exclusions or protections to prevent firing older workers and replacing them with younger - and cheaper - ones. It may very well wind up providing an incentive to simply flush older workers out of the workforce. Safeguards, like insisting on employee retention or net workforce gains, somehow got left on the cutting room floor.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:01:52pm |
| 886 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:02:47pm |
re: #869 BaseballMom57
One would think that all the bad news eventually would add up to some sort of action, no?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:03:02pm |
re: #855 cliffster
dude, being able to make yourself invisible would be totally sweet
it's easy...
just have no money & poof! inviable :)
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:03:30pm |
re: #882 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I went to the stalkers once, said, "Shame on you"...
That was the only time. Hell, I can't even remember the name of the site.
Please don't remind me.
I never bring that stuff up...it's the worst gossip game imaginable...I might respond tho
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:04:00pm |
re: #863 Obdicut
As the ex-moderator of several gaming forums, I can completely agree that the subject matter doesn't really matter; the drama llamas run through it all.
Exactly. And I love the term drama llama!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:05:49pm |
It looks like Obama still does not have the polls in his favor:
Fox News Poll: 55% Oppose Health Care Reform
Please don't dismiss this poll just because it's from Fox. The article links to the poll's PDF and the poll was of registered voters, which is a sign of reliability.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:07:19pm |
re: #886 freetoken
I would bet ... no. I am not a Catholic, but I do know many. The ones I know are finding it hard to stay with the Church, because they feel they don't know who they can trust. A few have left the Church in disgust. From the things I have read, it appears the coverups and transfers were/are rampant. I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what it would be like to be abused by a priest, and what that would do to your ideas about your faith, and your God.
| 892 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:07:40pm |
re: #888 albusteve
Congratulations, albugramps. Maybe Abuelito should be your new nic!
| 893 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:07:45pm |
We are going into Cholesterol Overdrive! Tonight... Panko breaded chicken chicken fried steaks over buttery mashed potatoes and topped with hot sausage biscuit gravy.
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:08:08pm |
re: #875 Floral Giraffe
We can get our emotional needs met? Here?
LOL!
Heh-- that's exactly the point. Only a crazy person would expect to, or need to, and they'll inevitably be frustrated when they can't. Then they go psycho.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:08:41pm |
Does anyone know how long a tomato plant can live? I'm "hardening off" (getting them used to being outside) my indoor winter hydroponics garden. I realized that one of my tomatoes is over a year old at this point and still producing fruit just fine. If it get successfully transplanted outside It'll be 2 years old at the end of the season. Can I do this indefinitely?
| 896 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:08:51pm |
re: #893 Thanos
When and where is dinner? Should I bring wine or beer? :-)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:09:21pm |
re: #893 Thanos
We are going into Cholesterol Overdrive! Tonight... Panko breaded chicken chicken fried steaks over buttery mashed potatoes and topped with hot sausage biscuit gravy.
Got your cardiologist on speed dial?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:09:32pm |
re: #890 Dark_Falcon
It looks like Obama still does not have the polls in his favor:
Fox News Poll: 55% Oppose Health Care ReformPlease don't dismiss this poll just because it's from Fox. The article links to the poll's PDF and the poll was of registered voters, which is a sign of reliability.
the lines are drawn, & nothing will ever be the same.
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:09:38pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:10:07pm |
re: #890 Dark_Falcon
Why should we take fox news seriously when the majority of polls show a different result?
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:10:29pm |
re: #892 wrenchwench
Congratulations, albugramps. Maybe Abuelito should be your new nic!
thanks...it's the biggest thing in my life in the past 27 years I guess...I have not held a baby since I held my daughter all those years ago...I'm juiced!
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:10:31pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Well, they are tropical/subtropical vines (originally), and thus only die off in most of the US because of frosts.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:03pm |
re: #863 Obdicut
As the ex-moderator of several gaming forums, I can completely agree that the subject matter doesn't really matter; the drama llamas run through it all.
I've been a mod at three different forums, it is always taxing, even those that usually seem stable and forum supporters can go off on rants at the strangest times and over the weirdest issues. Plus the loons seem to want to always pick a fight, damned if you do (intervene) and damn if you don't (too lax).
Charles has done a good job here by keeping the "Mods" secret, it really is best that way.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:07pm |
| 905 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:12pm |
re: #900 Killgore Trout
Why should we take fox news seriously when the majority of polls show a different result?
link?
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Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:21pm |
re: #890 Dark_Falcon
It looks like Obama still does not have the polls in his favor:
Fox News Poll: 55% Oppose Health Care ReformPlease don't dismiss this poll just because it's from Fox. The article links to the poll's PDF and the poll was of registered voters, which is a sign of reliability.
Pew has it 48-38 against.
| 907 |
SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:22pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how long a tomato plant can live? I'm "hardening off" (getting them used to being outside) my indoor winter hydroponics garden. I realized that one of my tomatoes is over a year old at this point and still producing fruit just fine. If it get successfully transplanted outside It'll be 2 years old at the end of the season. Can I do this indefinitely?
As far as I know, tomatoes live indefinitely. At least the vining types. The terminal, bushy types might not, because I'm fairly sure fruit only forms on new growth.
I suspect production tapers off with age, however. Otherwise, there would be tomato arbors and trellises in obliging climates, and I've never heard of one.
| 908 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:23pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
There are two kinds of tomatoes; determinate and indeterminate. The indeterminate keep producing until the weather gets them. I don't know how long they can go if the weather never gets them. Determinate ones produce for one season that can't be extended.
| 909 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:28pm |
re: #890 Dark_Falcon
It looks like Obama still does not have the polls in his favor:
Fox News Poll: 55% Oppose Health Care ReformPlease don't dismiss this poll just because it's from Fox. The article links to the poll's PDF and the poll was of registered voters, which is a sign of reliability.
The polls aren't going to matter at this point. It's too late for that.
| 910 |
auldtrafford Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:30pm |
re: #890 Dark_Falcon
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmmm ....
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:32pm |
re: #800 Jadespring
No it does help. Anything positive helps. I know I can't just sit here and worry so I just have to force myself into a positive mindset.
Several years ago, they discovered a lesion in the bone of my daughter's skull.
Needless to say, I was absolutely devastated, out of my mind with worry.
It turned out to be a benign growth, better than cancer, but it was still necessary to remove that part of the skull bone.
It finally occurred to me that I had done everything that was humanly possible to see to it that she got the best possible care, the best possible surgeon, the best possible oncologist . . . and that the rest was simply out of my hands. I had to trust that they would do the very best for her, and then, I had to calm down because it was not about my worries, it was about her and what she needed from me. I had to not be completely freaked out so that I could eat and get the sleep I needed to give my kid what she needed from me, which was strength. This isn't to say I quit worrying, because I didn't. I just refused to let it take over my life. Take it one moment at a time; and do what you have to do in order to be strong for your sister. She will need you. And I hope and pray it's something that can be cured or managed.
| 912 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:11:59pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Years (um, decades) ago when I used to garden I had traditional large tomato plants. However, I also experimented with the little cherry tomatoes in a pot. I seem to remember the only reason the little plant died was eventually due to my mistreatment.
| 913 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:12:06pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how long a tomato plant can live? I'm "hardening off" (getting them used to being outside) my indoor winter hydroponics garden. I realized that one of my tomatoes is over a year old at this point and still producing fruit just fine. If it get successfully transplanted outside It'll be 2 years old at the end of the season. Can I do this indefinitely?
I've gone several years with some plants. Beyond that I don't know. I've had some tomatoes that have stayed around and kept producing, and some that stayed around and quit producing. Peppers will keep giving it up until something kills them. Broccoli too, although it gets smaller and smaller. As for tomatoes specifically, depends on what kind. I'd bet the cherries will keep putting out fruit longer than the big boys.
| 914 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:12:23pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmm ...
Except for all the open threads, which have been heavy on the HRC.
| 915 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:12:56pm |
| 916 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:13:16pm |
re: #908 wrenchwench
There are two kinds of tomatoes; determinate and indeterminate. The indeterminate keep producing until the weather gets them. I don't know how long they can go if the weather never gets them. Determinate ones produce for one season that can't be extended.
Great point. I forgot about the determinate/indeterminate thing.
| 917 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:13:16pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmm ...
no threads maybe, but plenty being argued about...surf around
| 918 |
auldtrafford Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:13:38pm |
re: #914 soap_man
Except for all the open threads, which have been heavy on the HRC.
OK - but what's the boss's take on it?
| 919 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:13:39pm |
re: #902 freetoken
Well, they are tropical/subtropical vines (originally), and thus only die off in most of the US because of frosts.
I think there are some plants that will theoretically grow indefinitely but most plants have a genetic timing and will eventually die.
| 920 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:14:18pm |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If you are out there... I'll be sending you a email and a link to a picture in just a little while. I'm working on the photo right now/
| 921 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:14:26pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Sunset's Western Garden Book, doesn't say how long a tomato plant lives. Do you own this? You really should.....
There's some used ones for $10
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
| 922 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:14:34pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmm ...
Charles has been travelling all week, often without even having internet access.
| 923 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:14:40pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmm ...
Charles has been travelling and visiting family. He hasn't had a chance to post on as many of the issues as he normally would.
| 924 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:14:46pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how long a tomato plant can live? I'm "hardening off" (getting them used to being outside) my indoor winter hydroponics garden. I realized that one of my tomatoes is over a year old at this point and still producing fruit just fine. If it get successfully transplanted outside It'll be 2 years old at the end of the season. Can I do this indefinitely?
I don't think it's indefinite, but if it's producing fruit, then obviously it's doing just fine.
| 925 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:15:06pm |
re: #919 Killgore Trout
I think there are some plants that will theoretically grow indefinitely but most plants have a genetic timing and will eventually die.
are doing blade runner tonight... I got go but I don't wanna miss it.
| 926 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:15:19pm |
re: #919 Killgore Trout
I think there are some plants that will theoretically grow indefinitely but most plants have a genetic timing and will eventually die.
It is a perennial, though as FT pointed out they are farmed like annuals. It theory you could keep them going indefinitely if you could keep them healthy.
| 927 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:15:22pm |
| 928 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:15:37pm |
re: #918 auldtrafford
OK - but what's the boss's take on it?
I have no idea what Bruce Springsteen thinks about HRC. :)
| 930 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:07pm |
re: #919 Killgore Trout
I think there are some plants that will theoretically grow indefinitely but most plants have a genetic timing and will eventually die.
My pickle trees have been producing for years. I find that the dill trees produce better pickles when you augment the soil with an acidic fertilizer. The sweet and sour pickle trees do much better in sandy soil.
| 931 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:21pm |
re: #928 soap_man
I
have no ideadon't give a shit what Bruce Springsteen thinks about HRC. :)
| 932 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:23pm |
re: #928 soap_man
I have no idea what Bruce Springsteen thinks about
HRC.HCR :)
Dammit. I just blew my pithy comment.
| 933 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:24pm |
re: #895 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how long a tomato plant can live? I'm "hardening off" (getting them used to being outside) my indoor winter hydroponics garden. I realized that one of my tomatoes is over a year old at this point and still producing fruit just fine. If it get successfully transplanted outside It'll be 2 years old at the end of the season. Can I do this indefinitely?
And Killgore -notice at that blog that I linked to above, about tomatoes, a couple of folks say they break off the dying parts of the plants. I do the same thing with my geraniums - it forces the plant to produce new flowers - I suspect the same thing is in play for tomato plants.
| 934 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:28pm |
re: #927 Killgore Trout
Just make sure it is not a hybrid, because you'll need to save some seed for your liberty garden when the USA collapses.
| 935 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:29pm |
re: #909 soap_man
The polls aren't going to matter at this point. It's too late for that.
we will gag on 'reform' no matter what...the debate continues, and will tie up the feds for decades...it's bad legislation, most people don't want the bill and the donks will pay dearly for their BO/Pelosi/Reid strong arm bullshit
| 936 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:16:33pm |
re: #918 auldtrafford
OK - but what's the boss's take on it?
Same as anybody else here..
If the price of Healthcare goes down we are all for it
If the price goes up.. We are all against it...
It's really that simple
Love your nic..What about Beckham? Is he done?
| 937 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:17:03pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmm ...
We discussed it a lot.
I don't know about anyone else but all it does is just piss me off and give me an upset stomach.
| 938 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:17:11pm |
re: #906 Thanos
Pew has it 48-38 against.
Still a large margin. And I think those polls will weigh on the minds of Congress.
| 939 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:17:19pm |
re: #919 Killgore Trout
I think there are some plants that will theoretically grow indefinitely but most plants have a genetic timing and will eventually die.
in that regard, I am most like a radish
| 940 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:17:32pm |
re: #840 Dark_Falcon
And a Rhode Island teacher goes Full Mental Wingnut:
Fired Rhode Island Teacher Hangs Effigy of Obama in Classroom
When you hang the President in effigy, you have crossed the line between vigorous protest and hating.
It seems possible that the teacher concerned is a lefty moonbat rather than an ODS infected wingnut. His cause of complaint was Obama’s statement supporting accountability in schools. This is normally a conservative issue and especially so when it involves the mass firing of union teachers.
Still, figuratively lynching the One has to count for something among tea-partiers. Maybe the Texas SBOE can find a staff job for him.
| 941 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:17:37pm |
re: #912 freetoken
Years (um, decades) ago when I used to garden I had traditional large tomato plants. However, I also experimented with the little cherry tomatoes in a pot. I seem to remember the only reason the little plant died was eventually due to my mistreatment.
Yeah, that's my problem too. The Hydroponics makes things easier. I have had plants die because the pump crapped out and I wasn't checking them often enough but other than that it's had to neglect a tomato plant enough that it actually dies on me now.
| 942 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:17:44pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Charles is traveling, but you can complain to him via the contact form if you want.
And this is not nearly as earth-shaking as it's being made out to be by Bachmann and her ilk. It's important, sure, but nothing has really changed.
| 943 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:18:03pm |
re: #890 Dark_Falcon
It looks like Obama still does not have the polls in his favor:
Fox News Poll: 55% Oppose Health Care ReformPlease don't dismiss this poll just because it's from Fox. The article links to the poll's PDF and the poll was of registered voters, which is a sign of reliability.
The dog is in the details.
Break It Down
| 944 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:18:35pm |
re: #913 cliffster
Peppers will keep giving it up until something kills them
That's good to know too. I have pablanos that are almost a year old too.
| 945 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:18:44pm |
re: #938 Dark_Falcon
Still a large margin. And I think those polls will weigh on the minds of Congress.
For those reps on the fence, I would be much more concerned about how my district feels about it. Those are the numbers that matter to them.
(Although I bet their districts are mostly against it. Otherwise they would just vote with the party.)
| 946 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:18:49pm |
re: #940 Shiplord Kirel
It seems possible that the teacher concerned is a lefty moonbat rather than an ODS infected wingnut. His cause of complaint was Obama’s statement supporting accountability in schools. This is normally a conservative issue and especially so when it involves the mass firing of union teachers.
Still, figuratively lynching the One has to count for something among tea-partiers. Maybe the Texas SBOE can find a staff job for him.
Anyone who lynches the president (or anyone else for that matter) in effigy in their classroom shouldn't be teaching. Period.
| 947 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:19:05pm |
| 948 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:19:08pm |
re: #921 Floral Giraffe
Sunset's Western Garden Book, doesn't say how long a tomato plant lives. Do you own this? You really should...
There's some used ones for $10[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I do have a copy of that around here somewhere.
| 949 |
brookly red Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:19:39pm |
gotta go be true to my predatory nature... spoons clinking pots... can not resist...
| 950 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:19:50pm |
re: #945 soap_man
For those reps on the fence, I would be much more concerned about how my district feels about it. Those are the numbers that matter to them.
(Although I bet their districts are mostly against it. Otherwise they would just vote with the party.)
Quite Concur.
| 951 |
auldtrafford Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:20:01pm |
re: #923 Dark_Falcon
...
Love your nic..What about Beckham? Is he done?
Everybody seems to think he's stayed in the game for the World Cup - and now that that's not happening, he'll bow out. But he's saying no - he's gonna stick with the LA commitment.
We'll see later this summer.
Go England!!
| 952 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:20:22pm |
re: #939 albusteve
in that regard, I am most like a radish
Cauliflower by any other name, and it's still a radishing beauty.
| 953 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:20:37pm |
re: #924 reine.de.tout
One of the commenters says they'll last up to six years. Pretty impressive.
| 954 |
auldtrafford Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:21:01pm |
re: #942 Obdicut
Charles is traveling, but you can complain to him via the contact form if you want.
And this is not nearly as earth-shaking as it's being made out to be by Bachmann and her ilk. It's important, sure, but nothing has really changed.
Actually, Obama has commented once or twice on the subject. Seems to think it has some significance. . . . ?
| 955 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:21:21pm |
re: #915 brookly red
but someone just said differentl... never mind. It's on!
Naw, I just gave another poll number, another data point. They both show "against" so if anything it supports DF's point.
| 956 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:21:23pm |
re: #943 Jeff In Ohio
The dog is in the details.
Break It Down
Fox has one objective, and that's to support the opposition.
| 957 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:22:12pm |
re: #951 auldtrafford
Everybody seems to think he's stayed in the game for the World Cup - and now that that's not happening, he'll bow out. But he's saying no - he's gonna stick with the LA commitment.
We'll see later this summer.
Go England!!
With a torn hammy at his age I say he is done..
He is getting old and the repair is time consuming..
What a player!
| 958 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:22:33pm |
re: #951 auldtrafford
Everybody seems to think he's stayed in the game for the World Cup - and now that that's not happening, he'll bow out. But he's saying no - he's gonna stick with the LA commitment.
We'll see later this summer.
Go England!!
Wrong post quoted. I didn't ask about Beckham.
| 959 |
auldtrafford Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:23:15pm |
re: #957 HoosierHoops
With a torn hammy at his age I say he is done..
He is getting old and the repair is time consuming..
What a player!
I think yours is the majority opinion. But the minority of one (old Becky) will tell the tale. He's a fighter, for sure!
| 960 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:23:31pm |
re: #933 reine.de.tout
Yeah, I propagate them in my hydroponic system. Workd really well with tomatoes. a lot of times the little cuttings don't even stop producing tomatoes after being cut. They just keep flowering without even missing a beat.
| 961 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:24:14pm |
re: #934 freetoken
Just make sure it is not a hybrid, because you'll need to save some seed for your liberty garden when the USA collapses.
I only do open pollinated because I don't want to get raped by the Mole Man.
/Colbert.
| 962 |
auldtrafford Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:25:04pm |
re: #958 Dark_Falcon
Sorry about that. Edit function confused me. Torn brain ligament.
| 963 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:25:07pm |
While we're on the garden topic:
Welcome
The Chile Pepper Institute (CPI) is a research-based, international nonprofit organization devoted to education, research, and archiving information related to Capsicum. We are dedicated to educating the world about the wonders of chile peppers.Research done by New Mexico State University's Chile Pepper Institute has helped promote New Mexico's iconic state vegetable. Now, the CPI (and its chile peppers) is on the map, literally, as a "must-see" destination in Rand McNally's 2010 Road Atlas "Best of the Road" program.
Our research can be hot and cool at the same time. Paul Bosland, co-founder and director of the CPI, was responsible for finding the world's hottest chile pepper, the Bhut Jolokia. In the fall of 2006, the Guinness Book of Records confirmed Bosland's discovery. Discoveries like these are not rare for the Chile Pepper Institute. The record-holder for the world's largest chile pepper is a specimen of the 'NuMex Big Jim' variety that was developed in at NMSU in 1976. And recently, the release of NuMex Heritage 6-4, provides a chile pepper with 5X the flavor of the standard green chile.
And it's a beautiful website to boot. You can order seeds from them.
| 965 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:25:57pm |
Smithsonian's Hall of Origins and creationism
We had to ask: What about creationism?
"There's no Adam and Eve here," curator Rick Potts says flatly. If you believe that the world -- and man -- was created in seven days, and that it's only thousands of years old, you might have a little problem with an exhibition that talks about a process of 6 million to 8 million years. Not to mention with the wall panel stating that we're not just related to apes, but to the banana tree, too.
What's ironic is that the hall is name for David Koch, of the Koch klan, the same people who also spend their fortune funding fundamentalist libertarian groups and anti-science groups. I guess if anyone has enough money one can then cover all the bases.
| 966 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:26:04pm |
re: #934 freetoken
Just make sure it is not a hybrid, because you'll need to save some seed for your liberty garden when the USA collapses.
The Bioddynamic Goddesses are going to visit you when the moon is in venus. It will not be pretty. I recommend a full suit of penile armor that night.
| 967 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:26:56pm |
re: #964 webevintage
Go Cats!
I'm guessing you are talking about basketball, so I want to say that I am very happy Notre Dame lost. Two of my friends are big fans, and really obnoxious about it. So, I'll have some fun the next time I see them....
| 968 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:27:44pm |
re: #967 soap_man
I'm guessing you are talking about basketball, so I want to say that I am very happy Notre Dame lost. Two of my friends are big fans, and really obnoxious about it. So, I'll have some fun the next time I see them...
Anyday ND goes down in flames is a good day.
| 969 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:28:14pm |
re: #951 auldtrafford
Everybody seems to think he's stayed in the game for the World Cup - and now that that's not happening, he'll bow out. But he's saying no - he's gonna stick with the LA commitment.
I hope that is true, and...um...that there IS an MLS season.
| 970 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:28:17pm |
re: #964 webevintage
Go Cats!
Can you believe Cousins? What a monster! He is pro material.. Athletic.. Tall 6'11" and wide...
| 971 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:28:57pm |
re: #965 freetoken
Smithsonian's Hall of Origins and creationism
What's ironic is that the hall is name for David Koch, of the Koch klan, the same people who also spend their fortune funding fundamentalist libertarian groups and anti-science groups. I guess if anyone has enough money one can then cover all the bases.
Even weirder: Bill and Melinda Gates used to donate to Discovery Institues (for light rail "Cascadia" support)
| 972 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:29:21pm |
Rising Tide for HCR, Especially Among Dems
Of course it's not Fox News.
| 973 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:29:22pm |
re: #968 Jetpilot1101
Anyday ND goes down in flames is a good day.
same for this Wolverine alumni's dad...GO BLUE!
| 974 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:30:04pm |
re: #973 albusteve
same for this Wolverine alumni's dad...GO BLUE!
Grew up in Ann Arbor. I echo your sentiment, GO BLUE!
| 975 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:30:16pm |
re: #950 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur.
A lot of the reps are screwed either way. If they vote for it, then they will lose in the general. If they vote against it, they probably lose in the primary (all the unions said they will support an opposition candidate in the primary if those reps vote against it. Not to mention all the online money that will come from the progs.)
I just hope they realize this and just vote their conscience. That's the most I can ask for.
| 976 |
SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:31:10pm |
re: #919 Killgore Trout
I think there are some plants that will theoretically grow indefinitely but most plants have a genetic timing and will eventually die.
If you've ever seen wild grape vines, you'll notice the fruit they produce is very small, and there's very little of it, despite the often huge size of the vines themselves, which I've seen close to a foot in diameter. To keep production high, systematic pruning is required, so there's always an abundant supply of "new" wood, the only type that produces fruit. I suspect vining tomatoes are similar. Eventually, in a given location, they'll simply deplete the soil their roots are able to get to, causing production to dwindle even further. With proper pruning and fertilizer, though, you could probably keep them going for quite a while. Not sure if their stems can tolerate old age, though; if they don't harden off and become woody, they'll eventually collect enough damage that circulation is impossible.
| 977 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:31:32pm |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
Then... another...
Once there was a man who very much wanted to serve God. He was very puffed up and spent his days giving advice to everyone. One day this man passed through a market place where the Baal Shem Tov stood with a crowd, speaking to the hearts of his listeners. This man heard the Baal Shem Tov say, "God wants the heart." So thinking that he had a new bit of wisdom that could be used to his advantage, he ran home to his wife and ordered her to stew up a cows heart. She did his bidding and then he took the heart to the synagogue and placed it into the Holy Ark where the Torah scrolls are kept. A few days later he returned to find the heart was gone. He rejoiced thinking that he had found a new way to please God, which no one else knew about. And so he continued this practice, certain that he was storing up his riches in the Book of Life. Little did he realize that for many years the poor synagogue beadle had not been able to afford meat for his family! Now the beadle’s prayers were answered. He found a meal delivered almost every night right from God’s open hand.
And the next night the shamash prayed, "Would it be asking too much for a brisket next time? My kids don't like organ meat."
| 979 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:32:11pm |
And of course the redoubtable Nate Silver has the contrarian view.
Or not.
| 980 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:36:00pm |
The story keeps unfolding:
Psychiatrist Says Church Was Warned About Priest
The German archdiocese led by the future Pope Benedict XVI ignored repeated warnings in the early 1980s by a psychiatrist treating a priest accused of sexually abusing boys that he should not be allowed to work with children, the psychiatrist said.
“I said, ‘For God’s sake, he desperately has to be kept away from working with children,’” the psychiatrist Werner Huth said in an interview Thursday. “I was very unhappy about the entire story.” Dr. Huth said he was concerned enough that he set three conditions for treating the priest, Peter Hullermann: that he stay away from young people and alcohol and be supervised by another priest at all times.
Dr. Huth said he issued the warnings — explicit, both written and oral — before the future pope, then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, left Germany for the Vatican in 1982. In 1980, following abuse complaints from parents in Essen that the priest did not deny, Archbishop Ratzinger approved a decision to move the priest to Munich for therapy.
| 981 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:37:13pm |
re: #980 freetoken
The story keeps unfolding:
Word is that some people are putting pressure on the Pope to resign. Has that ever happened before? Because that would really be somethin'.
| 983 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:38:20pm |
re: #981 soap_man
Popes have resigned, fled, been murdered, went insane, and met other ends.
But yeah, Pope Boniface VIII enshrined the ability for a pope to resign.
| 984 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:39:27pm |
re: #952 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Cauliflower by any other name, and it's still a radishing beauty.
Hi Bro..Miss your posts here...
Don't be a stranger..
How the heck are you?
| 985 |
SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:39:37pm |
re: #981 soap_man
Word is that some people are putting pressure on the Pope to resign. Has that ever happened before? Because that would really be somethin'.
There have been both resignations and at least one case where a Pope was deposed by the College of Cardinals in the past. There was a lot of speculation that John Paul II would resign due to his failing health, although that didn't occur.
| 986 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:40:15pm |
re: #983 Obdicut
Popes have resigned, fled, been murdered, went insane, and met other ends.
But yeah, Pope Boniface VIII enshrined the ability for a pope to resign.
He died of kidney stones and humiliation on October 11, 1303
Wow, dying from humiliation. That's a, uh, humiliating way to die.
| 987 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:41:01pm |
re: #980 freetoken
Yep. As I mentioned, it's getting very close to the Pope himself. The warning sirens are sounding in the Vatican. This is unprecedented, I would think. What happens if the Pope is definitely implicated? Looks like he is already, but is there something civil (as in law) that can be brought against the Pope?
| 988 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:41:50pm |
re: #976 SixDegrees
Not sure if their stems can tolerate old age, though; if they don't harden off and become woody, they'll eventually collect enough damage that circulation is impossible.
That's a good point.
| 989 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:42:12pm |
re: #986 soap_man
Wow, dying from humiliation. That's a, uh, humiliating way to die.
If people could die from "humiliation" we would see a lot more dead people, particularly amongst a certain population who are always complaining about being "hyoo-mee-lee-ay-ted!"
| 990 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:42:26pm |
New French reality tv - the Game of Death
| 991 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:42:37pm |
re: #986 soap_man
Wow, dying from humiliation. That's a, uh, humiliating way to die.
Kidney stones are no fun either.
| 992 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:42:54pm |
re: #987 BaseballMom57
Yep. As I mentioned, it's getting very close to the Pope himself. The warning sirens are sounding in the Vatican. This is unprecedented, I would think. What happens if the Pope is definitely implicated? Looks like he is already, but is there something civil (as in law) that can be brought against the Pope?
he's just another Joe Blow to me...if he is complicit in a cover up he should be busted
| 993 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:42:56pm |
re: #987 BaseballMom57
Yep. As I mentioned, it's getting very close to the Pope himself. The warning sirens are sounding in the Vatican. This is unprecedented, I would think. What happens if the Pope is definitely implicated? Looks like he is already, but is there something civil (as in law) that can be brought against the Pope?
Well, the pope should not be above the law, but whose law? Vatican City?
| 994 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:43:18pm |
re: #987 BaseballMom57
It is unclear how much knowledge Ratzinger actually had at the time, of the unfolding scandal. However, as Archbishop one could definitely say he set the tone of how German Catholic hierarchy approached the problem in general.
Again, now as Pope he is responsible for how the Roman Church handles the numerous sex-related problems emerging into the light.
| 995 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:43:31pm |
re: #987 BaseballMom57
Yep. As I mentioned, it's getting very close to the Pope himself. The warning sirens are sounding in the Vatican. This is unprecedented, I would think. What happens if the Pope is definitely implicated? Looks like he is already, but is there something civil (as in law) that can be brought against the Pope?
Of course, but he could remain in the Vatican like Cardinal Law to avoid prosecution.
| 996 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:43:36pm |
Ensign scandal prompts National Republican Senatorial Committee subpoena
The National Republican Senatorial Committee has been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury looking into the aftermath of Sen. John Ensign’s extramarital affair with a former staffer, adding a new political problem for GOP leaders in their response to the dual criminal and ethics probes of the Nevada Republican.
I'm guessing we're gonna get a whole lot of "I do not recall" if anyone ever has to testify.
| 997 |
SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:44:01pm |
re: #987 BaseballMom57
Yep. As I mentioned, it's getting very close to the Pope himself. The warning sirens are sounding in the Vatican. This is unprecedented, I would think. What happens if the Pope is definitely implicated? Looks like he is already, but is there something civil (as in law) that can be brought against the Pope?
Church members are subject to the same laws as anyone else; render unto Caesar. Within the church itself, the College of Cardinals can remove the Pope from office, but I'm not at all clear on the details. It would be much more likely that the Pope would resign if such an action loomed.
| 998 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:44:13pm |
re: #875 Floral Giraffe
We can get our emotional needs met? Here?
LOL!
It's the weirdest thing - but some people were here for exactly that. And when it didn't happen - omg the never-ending tantrums that ensued. I've often joked that it would be easy to get these people to contribute their stories to a book called "Destroyed Lives - How I Was Banned From LGF".
| 999 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:44:19pm |
BBC Newsnight: How Paedophile Priest Was Allowed to Evade Justice (1 of 2)
| 1000 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:44:32pm |
re: #993 wrenchwench
The pope is the absolute temporal head of the nation that is the Vatican City. I do not think that any prosecution of him can occur without his consent.
| 1001 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:45:56pm |
re: #997 SixDegrees
I'm fairly sure that's only for insanity or demonic possession.
| 1002 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:46:34pm |
re: #1000 Obdicut
The pope is the absolute temporal head of the nation that is the Vatican City. I do not think that any prosecution of him can occur without his consent.
Not fair!!!11!
He'd probably just get "house arrest" anyway, if he was convicted of anything. And that's some house.
| 1003 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:47:20pm |
re: #977 Alouette
And the next night the shamash prayed, "Would it be asking too much for a brisket next time? My kids don't like organ meat."
LOL... I will paraphrase an old rabbinic saying... if you have 3 rabbis telling the same story, there will always be 4 different endings.
| 1004 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:47:31pm |
re: #1000 Obdicut
The pope is the absolute temporal head of the nation that is the Vatican City. I do not think that any prosecution of him can occur without his consent.
then that little factoid has to change
| 1005 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:47:34pm |
I say leave the Pope alone, he has enough problems without our help.
| 1006 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:47:39pm |
re: #999 Thanos
ugh... after watching the first part of that -- don't take your kids to vacation in the Canaries
| 1007 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:47:40pm |
For any law-talking people, here's a good overview of the Vatican's laws and justice system.
[Link: www.nyulawglobal.org...]
| 1008 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:48:24pm |
re: #1004 albusteve
then that little factoid has to change
I think you'd have to, um, overthrow the Church?
| 1009 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:48:42pm |
re: #1005 Spare O'Lake
I say leave the Pope alone, he has enough problems without our help.
what problems?
| 1010 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:48:49pm |
re: #994 freetoken
I did read that a former Vatican official has stated that the former Cardinal Ratzinger was very "hands-on" and paid close attention to the details of what was going on in his area in every way. If that was truly the case, then he knew. And that is truly despicable.
| 1011 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:49:22pm |
| 1012 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:50:10pm |
| 1013 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:50:14pm |
re: #1005 Spare O'Lake
I say leave the Pope alone, he has enough problems without our help.
People who obstruct justice and enable child rapists can't have enough problems.
| 1014 |
Racer X Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:50:42pm |
How the fuck are ya'all?
(this thread is too civil)
| 1015 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:50:59pm |
re: #1004 albusteve
then that little factoid has to change
I reckon something on the level of a Hague Tribunal would be necessary to overcome the protection the Pope is given as Head of State.
| 1016 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:51:16pm |
| 1017 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:51:35pm |
So, how weirded-out is the American political scene?
Could McCain Lose His Primary? Latest Poll Says It's Possible
According to a new Rasmussen poll, John McCain holds only a seven point lead over his Republican challenger, former Congressman and radio talk show host J. D. Hayworth. The poll results show a startling drop in support for Arizona's senior senator; McCain led Hayworth by over 20 points just four months ago.
That, according to Rasmussen (a GOP favorite pollster), pure wingnut Hayworth is within 7 points of John McCain is bizarre.
| 1018 |
SixDegrees Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:52:25pm |
re: #1004 albusteve
then that little factoid has to change
The incidents currently under investigation took place in Germany, however.
| 1019 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:52:39pm |
re: #1017 freetoken
So, how weirded-out is the American political scene?
Could McCain Lose His Primary? Latest Poll Says It's Possible
That, according to Rasmussen (a GOP favorite pollster), pure wingnut Hayworth is within 7 points of John McCain is bizarre.
Bizarre is much too nice a word for it.
| 1020 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:53:48pm |
re: #1018 SixDegrees
You are correct. I failed to state that. I believe the Pope's brother is feeling some heat as well.
| 1021 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:54:16pm |
re: #1018 SixDegrees
The incidents currently under investigation took place in Germany, however.
yes, an international ring of child molestors
| 1022 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:54:46pm |
re: #1000 Obdicut
The pope is the absolute temporal head of the nation that is the Vatican City. I do not think that any prosecution of him can occur without his consent.
It is interesting to note that the Vatican City State is the official member of those organizations in which the Holy See cannot maintain membership for reasons of its existence solely as a legal personality and not a temporal body.
| 1023 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:54:58pm |
re: #1014 Racer X
How the fuck are ya'all?
(this thread is too civil)
Very well, thanks...now shut yer effin face.
| 1024 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:55:06pm |
re: #1019 wrenchwench
Hayworth is WND territory. Has the GOP gone so far as to make Hayworth mainstream? Remember, over in KY the GOP institution is now embracing libertarian fundamentalist Rand Paul.
| 1025 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:55:41pm |
re: #1018 SixDegrees
He could become another Kissinger or another Polanski. Afraid to leave the Vatican (or Italy, since the corrupt Berluscioni is probably not going to give him up) lest he be arrested.
It wouldn't be good. I think he'd resign before it came to that.
| 1026 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:56:33pm |
re: #1024 freetoken
Hayworth is WND territory. Has the GOP gone so far as to make Hayworth mainstream? Remember, over in KY the GOP institution is now embracing libertarian fundamentalist Rand Paul.
I think AZ may be sort of "cutting edge" in this area.
| 1027 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:56:34pm |
Yes, I know that Hayworth was once a congressman from AZ. Hedgecock always had him on the radio here in SoCal. But Hayworth was part of the criminal gang that was run out of DC. Do the Arizonan's have that short of memory?
| 1028 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:57:02pm |
re: #1022 Bagua
What do you think that says, Bagua?
He's the head of the Holy See, and he's the head of the Vactican City State.
What aren't you getting?
| 1029 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:58:36pm |
Cardinal Law has taken refuge in the Vatican to escape prosecution
| 1030 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:59:08pm |
re: #1013 goddamnedfrank
People who obstruct justice and enable child rapists can't have enough problems.
What the heck is the world coming to? Next thing you know they'll accuse the Queen of England of stealing the Crown jewels!
| 1031 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 4:59:59pm |
re: #1028 Obdicut
What do you think that says, Bagua?
He's the head of the Holy See, and he's the head of the Vactican City State.
What aren't you getting?
What aren't you getting?
| 1032 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:00:00pm |
re: #979 Jeff In Ohio
And of course the redoubtable Nate Silver has the contrarian view.
Or not.
I think he has gone after the FOX polls before because of the wording of their questions.?
| 1034 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:00:51pm |
re: #1031 Bagua
I'm not getting why you posted something about how the Holy See and the Vatican City State are different entities, because it's entirely irrelevant; the Pope is head of them both.
Can you explain?
| 1035 |
Randall Gross Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:01:24pm |
| 1036 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:02:09pm |
re: #1010 BaseballMom57
I did read that a former Vatican official has stated that the former Cardinal Ratzinger was very "hands-on" and paid close attention to the details of what was going on in his area in every way. If that was truly the case, then he knew. And that is truly despicable.
I'm so sorry for the victims tonight..
I was adopted by a very religious Catholic Family. ( My Dad makes Mel Gibson look like play school)
I never had an issue with a priest...Where I went to Catholic School those Priest were the most honorable men of God I have ever met..
I had issues with a couple of nuns...Serious fricking issues...I was abused about sexual issues before I ever hit puberty.. I will never forgive the anger towards me by the 2 nuns.. Lunch hour in the bathroom getting screamed at about things I didn't understand about sex for another couple of years..
I have never forgot.. I held my children close to my heart and always protected them cause I know what is up in the real world....
I know all about the Catholic Church
| 1037 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:03:05pm |
re: #1029 Bagua
Cardinal Law has taken refuge in the Vatican to escape prosecution
Of course the answer is right at the beginning of the 2002 article you linked too:
The question was somewhat rhetorical. Since Massachusetts didn't have a mandatory reporting law, the answer was that the cardinal was under no legal obligation to come forward with information about sexual abuse of children by priests he'd supervised.
From I understand the posting of Law in Rome was not the plum that folks who do not know The Church think it to be.
and yes he is despicable....
| 1038 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:03:23pm |
re: #1034 Obdicut
I'm not getting why you posted something about how the Holy See and the Vatican City State are different entities, because it's entirely irrelevant; the Pope is head of them both.
Can you explain?
You said:
The pope is the absolute temporal head of the nation that is the Vatican City. I do not think that any prosecution of him can occur without his consent.
But the link you posted said:
the Holy See cannot maintain membership for reasons of its existence solely as a legal personality and not a temporal body.
| 1039 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:03:56pm |
re: #1030 Spare O'Lake
What the heck is the world coming to? Next thing you know they'll accuse the Queen of England of stealing the Crown jewels!
A child's innocence is not something that can be stolen and then replaced, it is something that is irrevocably destroyed forever.
I can't be kind about this. You really are an awful person.
| 1040 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:04:17pm |
re: #1036 HoosierHoops
Sorry you had to go through that, Hoops. Our culture-- most cultures-- are terrified of children, and we do the most damnable things to them 'for their own good'.
I'm glad you're there for your kids. Good man.
| 1041 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:04:33pm |
| 1042 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:07:04pm |
re: #1038 Bagua
Okay, Bagua. I didn't actually post a link when I made that claim, since it's simply something I know to be true. I later posted a link about legal stuff in the Vatican City.
Are you disputing the truth of the statement that the Pope is the temporal head of the Vatican City State for some reason? I cannot for the life of me figure out what your objection is, since what I said was true, and nothing you've posted has had any relevance to it.
| 1043 |
Racer X Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:07:11pm |
| 1044 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:07:34pm |
I would like the Bishops (or someone) to do a study of why some areas seem to have the abuse problem while others did not.
I think the findings would be:
1. Some Bishops/Cardinals did not put up with the shit. They either kicked a guy out or handed them over to the local authorities.
2. Lack of proper vetting/formation at specific seminaries and within orders.
| 1045 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:08:18pm |
"There is nothing in the rulebook that says a dog can't play basketball!!"
Kentucky Violated NCAA Rules While Recruiting Basketball-Playing Dog
| 1046 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:09:06pm |
re: #1014 Racer X
How the fuck are ya'all?
(this thread is too civil)
Was just thinking that this was the first 1000+ post thread I have seen in my time here that hasn't included at least a bit of pig fighting!
Can't we all just not get along?
| 1047 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:09:28pm |
re: #1037 webevintage
Of course the answer is right at the beginning of the 2002 article you linked too:
The question was somewhat rhetorical. Since Massachusetts didn't have a mandatory reporting law, the answer was that the cardinal was under no legal obligation to come forward with information about sexual abuse of children by priests he'd supervised.
From I understand the posting of Law in Rome was not the plum that folks who do not know The Church think it to be.
and yes he is despicable...
Yes, I think they would have to use RICO Act laws, or obstruction of justice to go after him if they had the will. They could find a charge if they wanted to. The other problem being he is unavailable for civil suits.
| 1048 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:09:37pm |
re: #1044 webevintage
I think that Reine has said some interesting things regarding seminaries that were, as strange and awful as it sounds, basically taken over by pedophile priests.
I don't really know anything about that, but she's mentioned it before.
| 1049 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:12:10pm |
We are getting a belated Farkalanche to this thread
Fark Headline: Charles Johnson, on 'Alternative Right': This is where the party ends, I can't stand here listening to you and your racist friends
Nice....
| 1050 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:12:30pm |
re: #1044 webevintage
I would like the Bishops (or someone) to do a study of why some areas seem to have the abuse problem while others did not.
I think the findings would be:1. Some Bishops/Cardinals did not put up with the shit. They either kicked a guy out or handed them over to the local authorities.
2. Lack of proper vetting/formation at specific seminaries and within orders.
I'd agree. Of course the main problem would be that if you have a specific Bishop or Cardinal commited to the coverup, the offender just gets moved to a new parish, and continues abusing.
Pedophiles have incredibly high recidivism rates even with imprisonment and counseling. They also, IIRC, score off the charts when it comes to number of victims. A single pedophile will often have dozens of victims.
So if you have even one offender, who is protected and shuffled around, he leaves behind a very long trail of damage.
| 1051 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:14:43pm |
re: #1036 HoosierHoops
Wow, Hoops. Hugs to you.
I know it is not fair to paint every priest, nun and brother with the same brush. But this thing is getting bigger, is now reported in almost ever corner of the globe, and I just don't understand why it was allowed to continue. What exactly, I would like to ask the Cardinals, is acceptable about harming children, both physically and sometimes worst of all, psychologically?
I just don't get it.
| 1052 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:16:49pm |
re: #1039 goddamnedfrank
A child's innocence is not something that can be stolen and then replaced, it is something that is irrevocably destroyed forever.
I can't be kind about this. You really are an awful person.
Who's being kind, you wooden headed dolt. Don't you know I travel on auto-sarc? But don't worry, I see the usual suspects have already updinged you.
Geez, what an infestation of backbiters we got here.
| 1053 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:16:51pm |
re: #1042 Obdicut
Okay, Bagua. I didn't actually post a link when I made that claim, since it's simply something I know to be true. I later posted a link about legal stuff in the Vatican City.
Are you disputing the truth of the statement that the Pope is the temporal head of the Vatican City State for some reason? I cannot for the life of me figure out what your objection is, since what I said was true, and nothing you've posted has had any relevance to it.
You are obviously confused on this. You said one thing and posted a link that said another. The link about the "legal stuff" claims the Holy See cannot maintain membership for reasons of its existence solely as a legal personality and not a temporal body.
I believe there is some debate as to whether the VCS qualifies as a state under international law and whether the VCS and the Holy See are actually two seperate international personalities.
| 1054 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:18:45pm |
re: #1051 BaseballMom57
To me it seems that there are two easy interpretations:
1: The church is a large institution that covers up terrible things as many large institutions do, but since they have a special role in people's lives, it's especially odious of them to do so.
2: The church is a spiritual institution that considers priests as more important than children, and sees pedophilia as a spiritual problem to be addressed spiritually. They ignore that whatever techniques they're using don't work, of course.
| 1055 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:19:01pm |
re: #1039 goddamnedfrank
A child's innocence is not something that can be stolen and then replaced, it is something that is irrevocably destroyed forever.
I can't be kind about this. You really are an awful person.
That is harsh, he was making a joke.
| 1056 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:19:33pm |
re: #1052 Spare O'Lake
I think your confused. It's easy to see the sarcasm. It's hard to find it funny.
| 1057 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:20:10pm |
I'm not an expert in international and canon law but I would be very surprised if the Pope was not entitled to diplomatic immunity from prosecution by virtue of his position as a head of state.
| 1058 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:20:13pm |
re: #1051 BaseballMom57
Wow, Hoops. Hugs to you.
I know it is not fair to paint every priest, nun and brother with the same brush. But this thing is getting bigger, is now reported in almost ever corner of the globe, and I just don't understand why it was allowed to continue. What exactly, I would like to ask the Cardinals, is acceptable about harming children, both physically and sometimes worst of all, psychologically?
I just don't get it.
The problem goes back many decades, and it's only in the last couple of decades that people talked about or came to understand pedophilia at all. In the early stages I think some of these guys were put back into contact with children or teens because the higherups didn't entirely understand the problem (IIRC they would get their own psychological assessments done internally for some offenders, and in some cases were told he was 'cured')-- and their primary motive behind the coverup always was to protect the Church and to avoid making public anything that reflected badly on it.
None of this excuses the coverup and enabling, and as mentioned, there's been no excuse at all for the willful blindness in the decades since the mid-80's or so when child sexual abuse and pedophilia started being understood and talked about in law enforcement and psychology.
| 1059 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:21:14pm |
re: #1054 Obdicut
To me it seems that there are two easy interpretations:
1: The church is a large institution that covers up terrible things as many large institutions do, but since they have a special role in people's lives, it's especially odious of them to do so.
2: The church is a spiritual institution that considers priests as more important than children, and sees pedophilia as a spiritual problem to be addressed spiritually. They ignore that whatever techniques they're using don't work, of course.
I tend to think of Lily Tomlin as the AT&T operator: "We don't care. We don't have to."
/lapsed a long time ago
| 1060 |
windhorse Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:21:56pm |
....all I know about the Catholic Church can be summed up by the joke my dad would make about the nuns and their dirty habits.
| 1061 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:22:27pm |
re: #1057 Spare O'Lake
I'm not an expert in international and canon law but I would be very surprised if the Pope was not entitled to diplomatic immunity from prosecution by virtue of his position as a head of state.
Probably. I would also gues that any trial would have to take place in Italy. The Church still has way to much influence in Italian politics and a prosecution would be very unlikely.
| 1062 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:22:53pm |
re: #1053 Bagua
Obviously, I'm very confused.
Bagua, the Pope is head of the Vatican City State, and of the Holy See. As head of the Vatican City State, he is an absolute temporal head.
It does not matter in the least for the purposes of this whether or not the Holy See and the Vatican City State are different entities, as he is head of them both.
Finally, the Vatican has diplomatic recognition and relations with nearly every nation on earth, and is recognized as a state. The Holy See is in most ways treated as a State as well, even though it is a non-temporal entity.
Unless you can actually state what your objection is to what I've said in clear language, I'm going to assume that you are, in fact, the rather confused one.
| 1063 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:23:45pm |
re: #1048 Obdicut
I think that Reine has said some interesting things regarding seminaries that were, as strange and awful as it sounds, basically taken over by pedophile priests.
I don't really know anything about that, but she's mentioned it before.
Yeah.
The one that served LA that Cardinal Mahoney attended would be what i am thinking of.
The Diocese of Little Rock, where I am, had 11 priest who were accused of abusing 18 minors from 1950 to the 80's which I read was like 2% of the Priests in Arkansas over that time. I think there was one lawsuit.
| 1064 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:24:02pm |
re: #1061 Killgore Trout
Yeah, especially with Berlusconi as the head-- and the Italians will only prosecute crimes occurring in the Vatican City State at the request of the Vatican City State.
| 1065 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:24:53pm |
re: #980 freetoken
re: #1013 goddamnedfrank
re: #1050 iceweasel
re: #1036 HoosierHoops
This is utterly beyond this Pope. Who cares if this one man stays or goes? The whole child abuse issue by Priests vastly predates him. The acts, the denials the reshuffling, all of it. Too far back to let one Pope go even to jail and forget it. Too many victims.
I hurt for the children and the parents most. The Pope is irrelevant in that context. The sequence of denial went from blaming the individual priest as a mere aberration, to then perhaps his parish (if that's the right word) then to the region or the nation. Next-"Oh, its that sick American culture in the church" or some such crap. At the end of the day it's about how many victims are really there. I fear a true fall from grace of the church at large for the faithful. The denials and obfuscations of the worst offenders will stain the Church irrevocably.
Our belief (D_L &I) is that have a connection to God entirely separate from any church or religion. So to any people of any faith who have been hurt by religion or church or priest-The connection you have to God is there regardless. The church really is just a facade at the junction.
| 1066 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:25:38pm |
Woman who insists on gardening topless near school is 52
Boulder's Catharine Pierce, 52, doesn't like anything to get between her and her garden -- which is why yesterday afternoon she tended the flora and fauna in her front yard topless.
Pierce lives within a block of the Shining Mountain Waldorf School, a pre-kindergarten through twelfth grade facility, which may explain why the Boulder Police Department started receiving complaints.
But callers who weren't feeling satisfaction from the sight of Pierce's breasts (or, reportedly, her yellow thong) were unhappy with the cops, too. Although a public nudity ordinance is before the Boulder City Council, Pierce was doing nothing illegal under current law. All officers could do is ask her to put on a shirt -- which she refused to do.
| 1067 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:26:09pm |
re: #1065 Rightwingconspirator
I remember it being especially hurtful to my Catholic parents (both converted as adults) when the American church was being blamed exclusively.
That was a shitty move on the part of the Vatican.
| 1068 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:26:19pm |
re: #910 auldtrafford
Keep dropping by here to find out what's being said about health care: one of the most exciting weeks in legislative memory - machinations and intrigue galore - and there hasn't been a single thread on health care all week.
Hmmm ...
We fight about it intermittently anyway. Stick around.
| 1069 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:26:20pm |
re: #1062 Obdicut
Obviously, I'm very confused.
Bagua, the Pope is head of the Vatican City State, and of the Holy See. As head of the Vatican City State, he is an absolute temporal head.
It does not matter in the least for the purposes of this whether or not the Holy See and the Vatican City State are different entities, as he is head of them both.
Finally, the Vatican has diplomatic recognition and relations with nearly every nation on earth, and is recognized as a state. The Holy See is in most ways treated as a State as well, even though it is a non-temporal entity.
Unless you can actually state what your objection is to what I've said in clear language, I'm going to assume that you are, in fact, the rather confused one.
Formally, the temporal power ended in 1929 with the treaty between the Vatican State and Italy (Concordat), when the papacy accepted to have no more interests on Italy, its closest neighbour, and therefore on any other country. Of course, the influence of the Vatican still is relevant and evident, even now, and is mostly considered as a spiritual voice.
Some small degree of temporal power persists in the formal government of the Vatican City as an independent state.
From the wiki, it is not a clear cut issue which is why there is a debate on the subject. The formal "temporal" power status changed several times in history, eventually ending with the Concordat.
| 1070 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:26:21pm |
Dissident theologian Hans Kung calls on Pope to issue "mea culpa" for sex abuseThe dissident Swiss Catholic theologian Hans Kung has called on Pope Benedict XVI to issue a "mea culpa" for his part in "covering up decades of clerical sex abuse", both as an archbishop in Munich and as a cardinal in Rome.
Father Kung, who once taught theology alongside the future Pope at Tubingen in Germany, noted that Monsignor Robert Zollitsch, the head of the German bishops had apologised to sex abuse victims after meeting the Pope last week, saying that the pontiff was "shocked and deeply moved" by his account of cases in his native Germany.
Benedict is expected to sign a letter tomorrow to the faithful in Ireland after his talks with Irish bishops last month, when he described sex abuse as a grave sin and a "heinous crime".
However Father Kung said that bishops — including the pontiff himself — should not just seek forgiveness but "should finally acknowledge their own co-responsibility" in covering up "systematic abuses". He added: "Should not Pope Benedict XVI also assume his own responsibility, instead of complaining that there is a campaign against him?"
contd :
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
| 1071 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:26:23pm |
re: #1056 Jeff In Ohio
I think your confused. It's easy to see the sarcasm. It's hard to find it funny.
It was not meant to be funny, just sardonic. Oh well, that's why I haven't given up my day job...yet.
| 1072 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:27:22pm |
re: #1066 Killgore Trout
Meh, I think you should be able to be nude in your own garden if you want to.
| 1073 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:28:13pm |
re: #1072 webevintage
Meh, I think you should be able to be nude in your own garden if you want to.
Preferably, out of sight of the street, and neighbors, though....
| 1074 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:28:25pm |
re: #1072 webevintage
Meh, I think you should be able to be nude in your own garden if you want to.
Not if it is clearly visible from public land. If one has a high fence, then go for it.
| 1075 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:28:39pm |
re: #1072 webevintage
Meh, I think you should be able to be nude in your own garden if you want to.
BACKyard, maybe.
--or--
At 25 maybe. NOT 52.
/I'm 52
| 1076 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:28:46pm |
re: #1065 Rightwingconspirator
The denials and obfuscations of the worst offenders will stain the Church irrevocably.
I guess this is why I have been loosely following this issue. The issues over international law (e.g., whether anyone hiding in Vatican City can be prosecuted) aren't really my concern. As you state, there are larger issues at stake here and transcend any one individual.
| 1077 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:28:58pm |
re: #1058 iceweasel
The problem goes back many decades, and it's only in the last couple of decades that people talked about or came to understand pedophilia at all. In the early stages I think some of these guys were put back into contact with children or teens because the higherups didn't entirely understand the problem (IIRC they would get their own psychological assessments done internally for some offenders, and in some cases were told he was 'cured')-- and their primary motive behind the coverup always was to protect the Church and to avoid making public anything that reflected badly on it.
None of this excuses the coverup and enabling, and as mentioned, there's been no excuse at all for the willful blindness in the decades since the mid-80's or so when child sexual abuse and pedophilia started being understood and talked about in law enforcement and psychology.
The Catholics have it all wrong...
Not one Nun we put in charge of our children have ever had a child born to them so precious they would give their life too..
There is no priest alive that has a son that is his pride and joy and falls asleep in peace and pride and love..
The church lost it's heart Centuries ago...
They thought all you needed was a book to raise children..
Any lizards that have raised children here know the book is Bullshit...
| 1078 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:29:29pm |
| 1079 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:29:33pm |
re: #1052 Spare O'Lake
Who's being kind, you wooden headed dolt. Don't you know I travel on auto-sarc? But don't worry, I see the usual suspects have already updinged you.
Geez, what an infestation of backbiters we got here.
Ah, that's the stuff that was missing!
| 1080 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:29:51pm |
re: #1069 Bagua
As you cannot actually express your objection coherently, I can't respond to it.
The Pope is the absolute temporal head of the Vatican City State, which is diplomatically recognized as a state in international law-- as is, basically, the Holy See.
Nothing you've said even begins to challenge anything I've said, at all. I have no idea why you think it does.
| 1081 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:29:58pm |
re: #940 Shiplord Kirel
It seems possible that the teacher concerned is a lefty moonbat rather than an ODS infected wingnut. His cause of complaint was Obama’s statement supporting accountability in schools. This is normally a conservative issue and especially so when it involves the mass firing of union teachers.
Still, figuratively lynching the One has to count for something among tea-partiers. Maybe the Texas SBOE can find a staff job for him.
I really don't care about his politics--when you're hanging the president in effigy, it's time you got out of the classroom.
| 1083 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:30:49pm |
re: #1067 Obdicut
That is the kind of thing that makes them so obviously craven at the Vatican. That angered every American that heard. Attitude FAIL.
| 1084 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:31:18pm |
re: #1065 Rightwingconspirator
RW, that is very well said, and I must say I completely agree with you, especially your last statement.
| 1086 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:32:42pm |
| 1088 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:33:41pm |
Not that I want to go nekid in my yard, but it bugs the hell out of me that my fat bastard white trash neighbor can strut around the neighborhood in all his man titty glory, but the lady boobs are offensive to kids.
| 1089 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:34:04pm |
re: #1079 bratwurst
He's totally joking! Especially when he's not really joking.
| 1090 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:34:16pm |
Skeptical clergy a silent majority?
By Daniel C. Dennett %P% March 17, 2010; 1:21 PM ET
Read "Preachers who are not Believers," a study by Daniel C. Dennett and Linda LaScola of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University.
Here are some questions that have haunted me for years. How many preachers actually believe what they say from the pulpit? We know that every year some clergy abandon their calling, no longer able to execute their duties with conviction. This can never be a decision taken lightly, and many of them labored on for years before taking the leap. Are they the tip of an iceberg? Is there a problem of deep hypocrisy separating many pastors from their flocks? What is it like to be a non-believing preacher? How do they reconcile their private skepticism with the obligations of their position? And how did they get into their predicament?
Several years ago I set out to get some answers, in collaboration with Linda LaScola, a clinical social worker with years of experience as a qualitative researcher. I had told her of my interviews with deeply religious people while writing my book, "Breaking the Spell" (2006), and of my surprise at how many of them were eager to tell me, in confidence, that they didn't believe a word of the doctrines of the faith to which they were devoting their lives. Was this also true of ordained clergy? With some help from me and a network of advisers, LaScola identified some brave informants, all currently Protestant pastors with congregations, and interviewed them at length and in depth--and of course in deep confidence.
Our report tells the different--and moving--stories of five good people who find themselves caught in a trap that only someone intent on doing good could fall into, a trap that nobody invented but that subtly and ingeniously blocks the exits. Of course we don't know how many variations on these stories are yet untold. We hope our presentation of these pioneers will encourage others to tell us their stories, so that the world can know something more about this phenomenon, which can only grow in importance as more and more religious leaders confront the flood of ideas and information that we in the developed world are swimming in today.
[Link: newsweek.washingtonpost.com...]
| 1091 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:34:20pm |
| 1092 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:34:29pm |
re: #1066 Killgore Trout
Pictures, Kilgore, pictures. A story like this is useless without pictures.
| 1093 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:35:20pm |
re: #1080 Obdicut
As you cannot actually express your objection coherently, I can't respond to it.
The Pope is the absolute temporal head of the Vatican City State, which is diplomatically recognized as a state in international law-- as is, basically, the Holy See.
Nothing you've said even begins to challenge anything I've said, at all. I have no idea why you think it does.
Of course, your black and white thinking does not allow any challenge, almost a case of Papal infallibility. Read my posts and you will see that the Latern Treaty ended the Temporal power in 1929, though there remains some debate on the subject.
| 1094 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:35:31pm |
| 1095 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:38:03pm |
re: #1048 Obdicut
I think that Reine has said some interesting things regarding seminaries that were, as strange and awful as it sounds, basically taken over by pedophile priests.
I don't really know anything about that, but she's mentioned it before.
Eh, I left for awhile.
I had some links awhile back, lost them when my hard drive crashed.
But yes, there have been a few seminaries like that around the country.
The good folks would take one look and say, uh-uh.
The folks attracted to these seminaries were like-minded folks.
Lots and lots of sinning going on, with everyone turning a blind eye.
| 1096 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:38:12pm |
re: #1066 Killgore Trout
I think the really irony here is the offended school is a Waldorf, a virtual cesspool of weird thinking, titty wagging, hirsute, real man hating progressives. I know, that's where my 12 year old went for 7 years and my 6 year old goes now.
| 1097 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:38:55pm |
I really don't care what make believe status the Pope or his minions have...there is an international ring of child molesting within the CC...somebody is complicit in covering it up, somebody is responsible for hiding, abetting and allowing this scam to continue...if the coverup goes all the way to the Pope so be it...to play semantic and political games with all this overblown claptrap just puts more children at risk...these fuckers are criminals of the lowest order, hiding behind all their chastened cups and silky costumes
| 1098 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:39:08pm |
| 1099 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:39:32pm |
re: #1089 windsagio
He's totally joking! Especially when he's not really joking.
What took you so long? I was wondering where our little self-appointed colour commentator was hiding.
| 1100 |
wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:40:25pm |
re: #1098 bratwurst
Do you really have a dog in this fight?
I'm sure I'm not as close to the issue as you are, but I have some skin in the game.
| 1101 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:40:25pm |
re: #1067 Obdicut
I remember it being especially hurtful to my Catholic parents (both converted as adults) when the American church was being blamed exclusively.
That was a shitty move on the part of the Vatican.
American Catholics tend to be a punching bag for the Church these days. Which sucks.
| 1102 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:09pm |
re: #1097 albusteve
I really don't care what make believe status the Pope or his minions have...there is an international ring of child molesting within the CC...somebody is complicit in covering it up, somebody is responsible for hiding, abetting and allowing this scam to continue...if the coverup goes all the way to the Pope so be it...to play semantic and political games with all this overblown claptrap just puts more children at risk...these fuckers are criminals of the lowest order, hiding behind all their chastened cups and silky costumes
Steve - it's mind-boggling, the cover -ups and reassignments, the turning away from the kids to protect fellow priests. Absolutely mind-boggling. I am at a complete loss to understand the mind-set.
| 1103 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:10pm |
re: #1097 albusteve
Anyone who helped hide or obscure should be banned from the pulpit for life. Every co conspirator. At a minimum-Their religion becomes strictly personal. Depart, & then repent.
| 1104 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:20pm |
Anybody see the movie "Sleepers"?
Those who would harm children... Dante can't describe a hell deep enough.
| 1105 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:28pm |
re: #1099 Spare O'Lake
What took you so long? I was wondering where our little self-appointed colour commentator was hiding.
nipping without any substance...you gotta wait til you don't get trampled
| 1106 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:33pm |
re: #1072 webevintage
Meh, I think you should be able to be nude in your own garden if you want to.
A friend of mine was walking by the side of the highway in south carolina one hot afternoon with his shirt tied around his waist. A police car stopped and ordered him to put it on. He explained that he couldn't because he had just shit his pants pretty atrociously(which was true) and the shirt was covering his embarrassment. The police made him get into the car and drove him home. An uncomfortable journey for all concerned!
| 1107 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:38pm |
re: #1103 Rightwingconspirator
PIMF meant that for RDT too!
| 1108 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:41:44pm |
re: #1099 Spare O'Lake
sorry, was eating and taking a walk. Beautiful day outside, y'know?
| 1109 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:42:35pm |
re: #1088 webevintage
Not that I want to go nekid in my yard, but it bugs the hell out of me that my fat bastard white trash neighbor can strut around the neighborhood in all his man titty glory, but the lady boobs are offensive to kids.
Especially when said kids are not so far from the age when they were still nursing. Boobs are FOR kids. (Sorry, guys. It's true, ya know.)
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:42:43pm |
re: #1102 reine.de.tout
Steve - it's mind-boggling, the cover -ups and reassignments, the turning away from the kids to protect fellow priests. Absolutely mind-boggling. I am at a complete loss to understand the mind-set.
my heart goes out to you and your kind...it is just an awful thing to contemplate
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:42:43pm |
re: #1100 wrenchwench
I'm sure I'm not as close to the issue as you are, but I have some skin in the game.
Baloney!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:42:49pm |
re: #1106 Jimmah
Isn't the correct phrase, "he had shat"?
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:43:59pm |
re: #1112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Isn't the correct phrase, "he had shat"?
Either is acceptable around these parts.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:44:14pm |
I never liked Georgetown.
C'mon Ohio sports team!
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:44:26pm |
re: #1111 bratwurst
Baloney!
It's been fun, but it's time to get my buns out of here.
Play nice, lizards.
(That'll jinx the thread.)
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:45:16pm |
re: #1100 wrenchwench
I'm sure I'm not as close to the issue as you are, but I have some skin in the game.
Maybe you two should meat.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:45:46pm |
re: #1106 Jimmah
love a good pant shitting story.
I got busted in Abington, Va for pissing behind a bush. The actual charge was lewd and lascivious behavior being a hippy without a car in southern Virginia.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:46:25pm |
re: #1109 SanFranciscoZionist
Especially when said kids are not so far from the age when they were still nursing. Boobs are FOR kids. (Sorry, guys. It's true, ya know.)
That's why guys never grow up.
It's true.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:46:35pm |
re: #1067 Obdicut
I remember it being especially hurtful to my Catholic parents (both converted as adults) when the American church was being blamed exclusively.
That was a shitty move on the part of the Vatican.
As we are seeing now, there was an assumption that this was limited to the US, when it was not and actually, could not have been.
Here's the article on the L.A. area priests that I linked to a week or two ago
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:46:48pm |
re: #1117 Jeff In Ohio
My brother had this habit of getting reported to the police all the time until people got used to it.
Good news was, when someone complained about some guy peeing on the side of the street, everyone knew who it was!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:48:05pm |
re: #1117 Jeff In Ohio
Abingdon!
Were visiting friends, wife got violently ill, had to take her to Emergency Room. Two kids were sitting in the waiting room, passionately making out.
Found out from receptionist, brother and sister.
Totally serious.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:48:14pm |
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keloyd Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:49:06pm |
re: #1109 SanFranciscoZionist
Especially when said kids are not so far from the age when they were still nursing. Boobs are FOR kids. (Sorry, guys. It's true, ya know.)
Boobs are for K. E. Loyd!
I'm siding with the Discovery Channel people on this one. Didn't we have a thread about proxy variables a few months ago? If the size and appearance of the boobage correlates with fertility and general fitness to make K. E. Loyd Jr.'s, then Boobs are for Science.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:49:10pm |
re: #1120 windsagio
Better then GPS.
My girls will not pee on the compost pile for me. There's a real advantage to his plumbing guys have and the fascination we have in using it in ways that polite society finds repulsive.
Nothing revs up the compost like urine. Nothing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:49:22pm |
re: #1122 Alouette
Well, should there be a law requiring all "non hotties" to cover up?
Spandex is a privilege, not a right.
Nudity? Double!
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:49:31pm |
re: #1117 Jeff In Ohio
love a good pant shitting story.
I got busted in Abington, Va for pissing behind a bush. The actual charge was
lewd and lascivious behaviorbeing a hippy without a car in southern Virginia.
Heh. Always the southern states.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:49:43pm |
re: #1121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Abingdon!
Were visiting friends, wife got violently ill, had to take her to Emergency Room. Two kids were sitting in the waiting room, passionately making out.
Found out from receptionist, brother and sister.
Totally serious.
at least they weren't shitting themselves and pissing on the walls
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:49:48pm |
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:50:31pm |
re: #1124 Jeff In Ohio
Better then GPS.
Aahhahaahahhahaha! Dude, made my day :)
I'm betting everybody on here has peed somewhere they shouldn't at least once, altho I bet also that the guys have done it quite a few times more than the ladies >>
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:50:46pm |
re: #1124 Jeff In Ohio
Better then GPS.
My girls will not pee on the compost pile for me. There's a real advantage to his plumbing guys have and the fascination we have in using it in ways that polite society finds repulsive.
Nothing revs up the compost like urine. Nothing.
Would they be willing to, say, pee into a jar for the sake of the compost pile?
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:50:56pm |
re: #1121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That fits. I spent 8 hours in lock up, waiting for the magistrate to finish Sunday dinner and levy the fine - all the money I had minus $5 and a walk back to I-81.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:51:47pm |
re: #1130 SanFranciscoZionist
put a little trap in the toilet.
Might be some contaminants added tho >
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:54:58pm |
re: #1122 Alouette
Well, should there be a law requiring all "non hotties" to cover up?
I'll never forget the now-departed Zombie's coverage of the appalling "Boobs not bombs" rally in SF a few years ago. The mostly elderly participants hoped to end the war but they had to have known that they had already lost the fight against time and gravity. This was about the time a mob of Marin County matrons staged a naked anti-war protest on a local beach, spelling out the word "PEACE" with their substantial bodies. Some of them were in mortal danger of being harpooned by a passing Japanese ship.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:55:10pm |
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:55:25pm |
re: #1133 Jeff In Ohio
Makes me think of another story about my brother!
They used to lock him into his room at night (due to his tendency to break pictures of Jesus over the heads of his siblings), and his solution was at first to pee out the window. That was unacceptable of course, so eventually he got one of those giant plastic jugs up in his room. It would have been perfect for your situation!
After a while tho, these oogy crystals started forming on the inside, I don't even wanna know what they were >>
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:57:29pm |
Calif. college: Teacher violated gay bias policy
A Fresno City College science instructor violated a campus anti-discrimination policy when he told students that homosexuality is a mental disorder that should be treated with psychotherapy, campus administrators have concluded.
Christopher Villa, vice president of student services, reported the findings last week in a letter to three students who had lodged complaints against health sciences instructor Bradley Lopez. The campus' student newspaper published Villa's letter Wednesday.
"Dr. Lopez engaged in conduct that could result in the creation of a hostile learning environment by unreasonably interfering with students' learning by making insulting comments directed at homosexuals," Villa wrote.
[...]
In his letter to the students, Villa said Lopez also ran afoul of campus regulations prohibiting religious indoctrination "by assigning readings from the Bible, reading the Bible in class, and otherwise relying on the Bible as an authority in the assigned subject matter."
The finding came in response to student allegations that Lopez last semester quoted the Bible as proof that human life begins at conception, assigned his class to research the Bible for Jesus' genetic makeup, and discussed apocalyptic Christian prophesies during a lesson on climate change.
[...]
Culture war? What culture war?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:57:41pm |
re: #1136 windsagio
Makes me think of another story about my brother!
They used to lock him into his room at night (due to his tendency to break pictures of Jesus over the heads of his siblings), and his solution was at first to pee out the window. That was unacceptable of course, so eventually he got one of those giant plastic jugs up in his room. It would have been perfect for your situation!
After a while tho, these oogy crystals started forming on the inside, I don't even wanna know what they were >>
So, I return to the thread to THIS comment?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:57:59pm |
Ding me, ding me,
They oughtta click that thing and zing me,
High on the highest rock,
Oh woman ding me with your sock.
(Sorry Roger)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:58:56pm |
re: #1131 Jeff In Ohio
That fits. I spent 8 hours in lock up, waiting for the magistrate to finish Sunday dinner and levy the fine - all the money I had minus $5 and a walk back to I-81.
I'm sensing a "Billy Jack" moment.
"I'm gonna take this right foot, and I'm gonna whop you on that side of your face."
(top of my voice)
GO AHEAD AND HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR
GO AHEAD AND CHEAT A FRIEND...
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:59:10pm |
re: #7 Soap_Man
Cool story here:
Woman donates tax refund to Haiti, wins $50,000 lotto prize four days later
(Results not typical.)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:59:14pm |
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:59:56pm |
re: #1137 freetoken
Calif. college: Teacher violated gay bias policy
Culture war? What culture war?
!
assigned his class to research the Bible for Jesus' genetic makeup, and discussed apocalyptic Christian prophesies during a lesson on climate change
What. The. Fuck.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 5:59:56pm |
re: #1143 Stanley Sea
*Crying drunkenly*
I love you man! You're the only one here that really, really gets me!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:01:03pm |
re: #1145 windsagio
My claim to fame!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:01:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:01:51pm |
re: #1136 windsagio
Makes me think of another story about my brother!
They used to lock him into his room at night (due to his tendency to break pictures of Jesus over the heads of his siblings), and his solution was at first to pee out the window. That was unacceptable of course, so eventually he got one of those giant plastic jugs up in his room. It would have been perfect for your situation!
After a while tho, these oogy crystals started forming on the inside, I don't even wanna know what they were >>
Pictures of Jesus specifically? Any idea why?
(I realize this is not the point of your story, I just find it interesting.)
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:02:15pm |
re: #1137 freetoken
Calif. college: Teacher violated gay bias policy
Culture war? What culture war?
Another candidate for the Texas SBOE staff.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:02:35pm |
re: #1137 freetoken
Calif. college: Teacher violated gay bias policy
Culture war? What culture war?
But I thought the Left ruled the campuses with an iron fist? How did this guy get hired?
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:02:38pm |
re: #1141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sensing a "Billy Jack" moment.
"I'm gonna take this right foot, and I'm gonna whop you on that side of your face."
(top of my voice)
GO AHEAD AND HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR
GO AHEAD AND CHEAT A FRIEND...
That's a great flick.
" the savagery of this idiotic moment of yours... I just go BERSERK! "
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:02:57pm |
re: #1148 Walter L. Newton
No. Supposed to see him earlier this week, didn't. He's coming over tomorrow - I'm going to ask him to bring it w/him.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:03:22pm |
re: #1151 SanFranciscoZionist
But I thought the Left ruled the campuses with an iron fist? How did this guy get hired?
Nobody else wanted to teach at Fresno City College?
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:03:38pm |
re: #1149 SanFranciscoZionist
Convenience actually, it was over her bed. I included it because I find it totally hilarious!
Specifically it was a picture of 'Jesus loving the children', which makes it even better :)
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:03:39pm |
re: #1036 HoosierHoops
I'm so sorry for the victims tonight..
I was adopted by a very religious Catholic Family. ( My Dad makes Mel Gibson look like play school)
I never had an issue with a priest...Where I went to Catholic School those Priest were the most honorable men of God I have ever met..
I had issues with a couple of nuns...Serious fricking issues...I was abused about sexual issues before I ever hit puberty.. I will never forgive the anger towards me by the 2 nuns.. Lunch hour in the bathroom getting screamed at about things I didn't understand about sex for another couple of years..
I have never forgot.. I held my children close to my heart and always protected them cause I know what is up in the real world...
I know all about the Catholic Church
Amazing the crap adults subject kids to in the name of God knows what...
Come on sister Mary, put up that shot up! In your face!
Then post the bitch up...
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:03:39pm |
Ring Ring
Hello?
Dr. Kahn?
one moment please..Who is Calling please?
The Hoopster
Hello?
Dr. Kahn?
Yes?
I need a bomb..
A bomb?
Yes...My bracket picks are blowing up in college Basketball..
You need a Bomb?
Preferably a Themo Nuclear Device..None of that old school 1950's shit..
Better than a W-88 device?
Go big or go home..
That bad Hoopster?
Kindof..I figure by next week I'll be ordering an ICBM from North Korea as a delivery device..
Look Hoopster..Lil Kim will help you make your College picks
Do you think?
Got any 300 year old French brandy?
I know a guy..
I'll have my people call your people...
Cool
/
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Donna Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:04:17pm |
Just wanted to pop in and do some browsing, updinging and see whats happening. Have a good evening Lizardom, see ya later! And Keep Laughing! :-)
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:04:33pm |
in other news,
desktop dungeon 0.5 was finally released! Everybody should totally download it, its a really fun ~5 minute game.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:04:46pm |
re: #1144 iceweasel
What. The. Fuck.
Jesus' genetic makeup: Jewish on one side of the family, Eternal and Unknowable on the other.
How much research does that take, anyway?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:05:12pm |
re: #1157 HoosierHoops
No, what you need is a good bookie!
One to steer you to the winning teams!
((HH))
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:05:18pm |
re: #1157 HoosierHoops
Something tells me the Hoopster picked the Hoyas?
I picked whoever that Ohio team is.
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:05:38pm |
re: #1152 Jeff In Ohio
That's a great flick.
I have written for several publications under the nom de plume of "O.K. Corrales" as a tribute to that movie!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:05:51pm |
re: #1153 Stanley Sea
No. Supposed to see him earlier this week, didn't. He's coming over tomorrow - I'm going to ask him to bring it w/him.
Good. Have a toke on me :)
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:05:53pm |
re: #1155 windsagio
Convenience actually, it was over her bed. I included it because I find it totally hilarious!
Specifically it was a picture of 'Jesus loving the children', which makes it even better :)
your brother was a 'her'?....please, at least keep your lie consistant
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:06:05pm |
re: #1154 jaunte
Nobody else wanted to teach at Fresno City College?
Point taken.
My father was raised in Fresno. He does not recommend it.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:06:21pm |
re: #1157 HoosierHoops
I feel for ya. Don't even ask me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:06:25pm |
re: #1155 windsagio
Convenience actually, it was over her bed. I included it because I find it totally hilarious!
Specifically it was a picture of 'Jesus loving the children', which makes it even better :)
Owwww.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:06:28pm |
re: #1165 albusteve
No, no, the victim was a 'her'. A female brother? Whose ever heard of that?!
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:07:24pm |
re: #1165 albusteve
your brother was a 'her'?...please, at least keep your lie consistant
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:07:29pm |
re: #1165 albusteve
I assumed the sibling who got cracked was the 'her'.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:08:03pm |
re: #1169 windsagio
No, no, the victim was a 'her'. A female brother? Whose ever heard of that?!
Only the Devil can make a Sister Brother.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:08:04pm |
re: #1163 bratwurst
I have written for several publications under the nom de plume of "O.K. Corrales" as a tribute to that movie!
Did you use a fake name too?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:08:36pm |
re: #1169 windsagio
No, no, the victim was a 'her'. A female brother? Whose ever heard of that?!
Anyone who watched the first season of "Ugly Betty". (The editor's long-lost brother returns as a very hot woman.)
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:09:01pm |
re: #1160 SanFranciscoZionist
Jesus' genetic makeup: Jewish on one side of the family, Eternal and Unknowable on the other.
How much research does that take, anyway?
I'd love to know more details on that. Genetic makeup?
Magill said he expects the school to put a letter of reprimand in Lopez's personnel file, a move Lopez would challenge through an administrative appeal. During a hearing last month, Lopez "denied that he did anything wrong, he denied that he was teaching from the Bible," Magill said.
The three students brought formal complaints against Lopez in December, but their concerns became public after the American Civil Liberties Union contacted Fresno City College's president demanding a response.
I guess i'll have to hit the ACLU website to find more details.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:11:40pm |
re: #1134 Shiplord Kirel
I'll never forget the now-departed Zombie's coverage of the appalling "Boobs not bombs" rally in SF a few years ago. The mostly elderly participants hoped to end the war but they had to have known that they had already lost the fight against time and gravity. This was about the time a mob of Marin County matrons staged a naked anti-war protest on a local beach, spelling out the word "PEACE" with their substantial bodies. Some of them were in mortal danger of being harpooned by a passing Japanese ship.
At least PETA has a "hottie" requirement for all their nekkid protestors.
| 1179 |
harry91 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:13:09pm |
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Wow read this, this is really interesting.
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:15:25pm |
re: #1179 harry91
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Wow read this, this is really interesting.
You know, I was thinking of not clicking that simply based on whose name was displayed...but I am glad I changed my mind! Incredible if true.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:17:20pm |
re: #1180 bratwurst
Incredible if true.
Don't believe anything she has to say. She's a dishonest lunatic. If there's anything true or newsworthy it's not going to be found on her site.
| 1182 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:17:23pm |
re: #1180 bratwurst
No kidding... Schlussel does come with, well, baggage.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:17:24pm |
re: #1179 harry91
I don't expect much from Hannity, and he's not giving much.
Too bad this can't be prosecuted as fraud.
[Link: www.charitynavigator.org...]
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:17:25pm |
re: #1161 Floral Giraffe
No, what you need is a good bookie!
One to steer you to the winning teams!
((HH))
LOL
If I was a bookie everyone in the entire world would be placing a bet on a game..If I could get AIG to insure me I could save the world on the pay-out..
This is why I have never bet on a game in my life.. I just don't bet on anything except to sit at Tahoe and play the 5 cent slot machines all night..
And lose a thousand nickels....*wink*
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:17:41pm |
re: #1179 harry91
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Wow read this, this is really interesting.
I don't believe anything on Schlussel's site without careful independent fact-checking. Not saying this isn't correct, just that the source makes me take it with a big spoonful of salt.
(I fully expect Schlussel to show up here now and scold at me, which she has done in the past. Le deep sigh.)
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jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:18:49pm |
re: #1181 Killgore Trout
Comment from the Charity Navigator site:
"Since 2003 Freedom Alliance has collected in cash $48,241,571! Since 2003 they have spent on the Wounded and Dead Veterans and their Families $1,781,782 or .036 cents on the dollar, according to their own IRS 990's!"
[Link: www.charitynavigator.org...]
| 1187 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:18:58pm |
re: #1185 SanFranciscoZionist
She comes around here?
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harry91 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:19:03pm |
re: #1180 bratwurst
You know, I was thinking of not clicking that simply based on whose name was displayed...but I am glad I changed my mind! Incredible if true.
Yeah I know, I thought the same thing. But my god if true.
Holy crap.
She seems to have her ducks in order though
TL;DR
Hannity is using his freedom concerts as his own personal piggy bank.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:19:59pm |
re: #1187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She comes around here?
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21:08pm |
re: #1125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where's the shiny gal?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21:14pm |
re: #1186 jaunte
Comment from the Charity Navigator site:
[Link: www.charitynavigator.org...]
I don't get it. That sounds terrible but the site still gives them a 4 star rating. What the deal with that?
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harry91 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21:27pm |
re: #1181 Killgore Trout
Don't believe anything she has to say. She's a dishonest lunatic. If there's anything true or newsworthy it's not going to be found on her site.
Yeah I'll wait but...crap.
Anyways back to beer
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21:33pm |
re: #1187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She comes around here?
She ended up queen of the bottom ten after her last visit.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21:33pm |
re: #1190 jaunte
Tom Petty cue?
Ha! 2nd time I've done that. I think I take away part of the code of the quoted comment. Who knows.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:22:27pm |
re: #1192 Killgore Trout
I don't know. I'm registering at the site and will try to find out more.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:22:43pm |
re: #1184 HoosierHoops
Hee Hee. Good for you on the nickles only!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:23:00pm |
re: #1187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She comes around here?
Only once that I've seen, to screech at me. She, or someone claiming to be her has an account. And a -22 karma.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:23:25pm |
re: #1188 harry91
I won't believe it until I see it somewhere else.
Hannity should be smart enough to know that people are going to look deep into the financials of it.
He's an idiot, of course. I'm a conservative and can't stand him. But, I don't think he's that stupid.
He'd be ruined beyond repair.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:24:20pm |
re: #1198 SanFranciscoZionist
Only once that I've seen, to screech at me. She, or someone claiming to be her has an account. And a -22 karma.
You can see the comment in all it's glory.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:24:23pm |
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:26:27pm |
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:28:35pm |
re: #1201 Bagua
Sometimes you need to preview before posting, as the host domain (in this case filefreak.com) keeps files from being embedded.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:28:43pm |
re: #1170 bratwurst
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I do spread it out...but non of that stuff means anything anymore to the newer posters....liar, troll, douche all get tossed around like so many cold french fries...everybody is a troll nowdays, liars are a dime a dozen
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:28:57pm |
| 1206 |
avanti Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:29:17pm |
| 1207 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:29:42pm |
re: #1204 albusteve
the human condition is to lie to everyone, even ourselves :P
| 1208 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:30:28pm |
Good evening Lizards. Back from my belgium beer emporium visit. Nice Belgian witbier and then a German hefeweizen with dinner. Little salad (spinach with beets and blue cheese), steamed mussels (thai curry spicing - nice), and half of a key lime tart for dessert.
Come home and find Georgetown in the midst of going down in b-ball. Looks like the Big East is the early disappointment so far.
| 1209 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:30:48pm |
re: #1202 albusteve
We are waiting with you.
| 1210 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:30:50pm |
| 1211 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:31:00pm |
re: #1205 Floral Giraffe
As is the mother.
I hope she is well.
((ABS))
probably better than me...I got me the jitters...I don't know much about baby havin, but I know it hurts
| 1212 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:31:53pm |
| 1213 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:32:40pm |
Stunningly beautiful fossil:
| 1214 |
harry91 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:32:59pm |
re: #1210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah it's spreading pretty quickly, grab some popcorn and wait.
| 1215 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:33:28pm |
Oh Crap! Another lose in the Brackets for me..OK So in the morning should I just post the rest of the brackets so that you can pick exactly opposite and look like a frickking genius at the water cooler?
Send me 9.99 and I give you my picks on a 900 number and you just pick the other team.. In no Time at all you will be living next to Tiger Woods in Florida..
I hear the Golfing is great
| 1216 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:33:34pm |
re: #1181 Killgore Trout
Don't believe anything she has to say. She's a dishonest lunatic. If there's anything true or newsworthy it's not going to be found on her site.
I always enjoyed when she called into the Howard Stern show...the cuckoo clock sound effect would be on overdrive and Artie would do his spot-on impression of her melting down. For some reason, she stopped calling in!
| 1217 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:34:24pm |
Ok, this is from ACLU press release about the ACLU letter to Fresno City College about the prof with the anti-gay bias:
The ACLU letter includes several examples of Professor Lopez teaching sectarian views and personal bias as “fact.” In recent lectures, Professor Lopez:
* Presented a slide listing “homosexual facts,” including that homosexuality is a “biological misapplication of human sexuality” and said that the “recommended treatment” is “psychological counseling” or “hormone supplements.”
* Presented LGBT people as a burden on and/or threat to society, claiming, for example, that anything but a heterosexual union provides a “one-sided foundation for raising children.”
* Presented bible passages as “empirical” evidence that life begins at conception in support of his assertion that abortion is murder and “the leading cause of death in this country” (because there are over a million abortions a year).
* Followed a slide on climate change in a presentation on “environmental health” with a slide containing a Biblical quote about the world ending in fire, and said “that is the real global warming we should be worried about.”
* Repeatedly referenced the Bible and used it as a teaching tool, for example assigning as homework a question as to Jesus’ genetic makeup.
This guy was teaching an introductory health science class.
He needs to be fired.
Here's the full PDF of the letter.
| 1218 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:35:38pm |
re: #1204 albusteve
I do spread it out...but non of that stuff means anything anymore to the newer posters...liar, troll, douche all get tossed around like so many cold french fries
And sometimes by people other than you! :D
| 1219 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:36:11pm |
re: #1215 HoosierHoops
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
| 1220 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:36:49pm |
re: #1203 freetoken
Sometimes you need to preview before posting, as the host domain (in this case filefreak.com) keeps files from being embedded.
Hi,
I did preview (always do), it works for me. Some people have Filefreak blocked so I usually use Fileden, but their server is out tonight. Someone explained it on a prior thread.
| 1222 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:37:09pm |
re: #1219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
*tourettes*
| 1223 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:37:47pm |
re: #1218 bratwurst
And sometimes by people other than you! :D
I've never called anybody a troll in three years...and only liar! to spoof another poster...if you're looking for trouble you won't find it here
| 1224 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:38:00pm |
re: #1222 Walter L. Newton
Oh, man! That was my Cosell impression.
| 1225 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:39:32pm |
Well, I'm getting javascript-FAIL here on the buttons... even on reload. Perhaps it is the number of comments... When this happens my plan is to use the Spy to follow the action.
| 1226 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:40:22pm |
re: #1214 harry91
Yeah it's spreading pretty quickly, grab some popcorn and wait.
All sanctimonious assholes should be watched for just this type of thing.
Bright side? If true? We won't here from that prick ever again.
My opinion? 99.9% chance the story is false (or is being falsely reported).
| 1227 |
jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:40:25pm |
re: #1181 Killgore Trout
The full Charity Navigator report on Freedom Alliance (2007 numbers most recent) shows:
Program Expenses 81.5%
Administrative Expenses 4.8%
which doesn't seem too far out of line, assuming 'program expenses' are the dollars actually passing through to the people receiving charity.
Registration at the site is free, if anyone wants to look more closely.
| 1228 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:41:04pm |
re: #1224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, man! That was my Cosell impression.
"look at that monkey run!"
remember that one?
poor Howard
| 1229 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:41:18pm |
re: #1093 Bagua
What you were quoting is in regards to the Pope's temporal power in politics in relation to other states-- mostly in the Vatican recognizing rulers, and exerting actual control over territory other than the Vatican in Italy.
All of that is present in the Wiki article you're reading.
What you have posted, strangely enough, completely supports what I said.
Some small degree of temporal power persists in the formal government of the Vatican City as an independent state.
Things that persist are not gone.
The Pope is the absolute monarch of the Vatican City State, which is-- as even what you post states-- the temporal power of the church. That was the limit of what I claimed, and what you posted supports this, rather than contradicts this.
Thank you for making your objection coherent; it is, however, wrong.
| 1230 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:41:22pm |
Hoops? You there?
How many times has a 3 lost to a 14?
| 1231 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:42:11pm |
re: #1228 albusteve
And his absolute shock that anyone took it as anything racial.
| 1232 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:43:05pm |
re: #1223 albusteve
I've never called anybody a troll in three years...and only liar! to spoof another poster...if you're looking for trouble you won't find it here
Fortunately for both of us, I have better things to do than go back and dig up the several names you called me my first few weeks here.
| 1233 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:44:41pm |
| 1234 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:44:56pm |
re: #1232 bratwurst
Fortunately for both of us, I have better things to do than go back and dig up the several names you called me my first few weeks here.
then quit stalking me, looking for trouble...I don't recall you being particularly friendly...so it goes nowdays, the new breed attack dogs
| 1235 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:45:15pm |
Imagine that.
A soi-disant conservative wraps himself in the flag, turns on the waterworks, cries for fallen soldiers and their children, makes his viewers cry, stages concerts to benefit our heroes, and pockets most of the proceeds.
How could this happen?
How about, how does it happen that the vets and their children for whom nothing is too good don't get taken care of automatically, but instead get told they have pre-existing conditions so the Pentagon can discharge them without medical coverage for things like brain injuries and PTSD?
How about, we're a nation of hypocrites, nothing succeeds like success, and their is no success like false sanctimony and cant?
| 1236 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:45:50pm |
re: #1234 albusteve
then quit stalking me, looking for trouble...I don't recall you being particularly friendly...so it goes nowdays, the new breed attack dogs
I remind you that you called me names, and I am the attack dog. Got it, boss.
| 1237 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:46:11pm |
re: #1233 Alouette
In your opinion, is Hamas trying to distance itself from the attacks on Israel, claiming they don't have control in Gaza?
I'm finding it difficult to follow Hamas's multifacted excuses.
| 1238 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:46:14pm |
I don't know what to say about this, but it seems like something should be said:
Sexting bill passes Illinois Senate
Students under 18 who use computers or cell phones to share nude photos of their peers would earn little more than a scolding under a measure the Illinois Senate approved Thursday to address the "sexting" phenomenon.
Offenders would not face criminal charges, but would get juvenile court supervision that could result in counseling or community service. The bill doesn't address youths who send or receive racy photos if they don't distribute them.
"We're not trying to prosecute them if they keep it between themselves," said Rep. Darlene Senger, R-Naperville, who got a similar bill through the Illinois House last week. [...]
| 1239 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:46:33pm |
re: #1221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Who lost?
Just about everybody I've picked..After about 7 hours of College ball today..I'll be posting the results in the morning....I got the Orangemen winning the National Championship this year...I still got a chance..
*falls to knees*
| 1240 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:47:28pm |
re: #1238 freetoken
What a great way to ruin kid's lives.
I swear, most actions taken 'for the children' just fuck 'em up even more.
| 1241 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:47:31pm |
re: #1230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hoops? You there?
How many times has a 3 lost to a 14?
I can't believe it Veggie
| 1242 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:47:34pm |
re: #1236 bratwurst
I remind you that you called me names, and I am the attack dog. Got it, boss.
consider why...be nice and you will enjoy your LGF experience even more...noobie poodles are so unbecoming, don't be one
| 1243 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:48:07pm |
re: #1236 bratwurst
I remind you that you called me names, and I am the attack dog. Got it, boss.
It's part of the wingnut mythology that everything was so much nicer here before more libs showed up. Oh, for the old days when libs would get a savage beating and no one called people out for it.
Just ignore.
| 1244 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:48:31pm |
re: #1239 HoosierHoops
Just about everybody I've picked..After about 7 hours of College ball today..I'll be posting the results in the morning...I got the Orangemen winning the National Championship this year...I still got a chance..
*falls to knees*
here's a hint...you can only get lucky
| 1245 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:48:58pm |
re: #1219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
DOWN GOES GEORGETOWN!
When in doubt, roll with the small college midwest school. These outfits are full of basketball playin kids who could not cut it in a big school and Mom said stay home!
Sounds like great advice, right? I picked Georgetown of course.
| 1246 |
bratwurst Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:49:47pm |
re: #1242 albusteve
consider why...be nice and you will enjoy your LGF experience even more...noobie poodles are so unbecoming, don't be one
Sir, yes Sir!
| 1247 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:49:52pm |
re: #1237 Obdicut
In your opinion, is Hamas trying to distance itself from the attacks on Israel, claiming they don't have control in Gaza?
I'm finding it difficult to follow Hamas's multifacted excuses.
Hamas is totally in control of Gaza. I am sure they danced in the streets and passed out candy when the poor Thai worker was murdered today. They are only sorry that Jews were not killed.
| 1248 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:50:13pm |
re: #1229 Obdicut
What you were quoting is in regards to the Pope's temporal power in politics in relation to other states-- mostly in the Vatican recognizing rulers, and exerting actual control over territory other than the Vatican in Italy.
All of that is present in the Wiki article you're reading.
What you have posted, strangely enough, completely supports what I said.
Things that persist are not gone.
The Pope is the absolute monarch of the Vatican City State, which is-- as even what you post states-- the temporal power of the church. That was the limit of what I claimed, and what you posted supports this, rather than contradicts this.
Thank you for making your objection coherent; it is, however, wrong.
LOL, you spent an hour working that out? You are an amusing chap Obdicut.
If you do more research you will find that there is some differences of opinion around this matter. What I posted both supported and contradicted your assertion, as you will understand if you read up on the subject.
| 1249 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:50:16pm |
re: #1243 iceweasel
It's part of the wingnut mythology that everything was so much nicer here before more libs showed up. Oh, for the old days when libs would get a savage beating and no one called people out for it.
Just ignore.
not really and I've never said such a thing...there was a sense of propriety tho...like I said, everyone's a troll now...I think the myth is mostly in your head
| 1250 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:50:18pm |
re: #1235 Cato the Elder
Imagine that.
A soi-disant conservative wraps himself in the flag, turns on the waterworks, cries for fallen soldiers and their children, makes his viewers cry, stages concerts to benefit our heroes, and pockets most of the proceeds.
How could this happen?
How about, how does it happen that the vets and their children for whom nothing is too good don't get taken care of automatically, but instead get told they have pre-existing conditions so the Pentagon can discharge them without medical coverage for things like brain injuries and PTSD?
How about, we're a nation of hypocrites, nothing succeeds like success, and their is no success like false sanctimony and cant?
People who put on a big display of piety are in almost all cases evil bastards, pricks, and wankers. No matter how many examples are shown to people they never seem to get that. There just seems to be an endless supply of suckers.
| 1251 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:51:07pm |
re: #1247 Alouette
Oh, I know they really are in control, I mean, given that Israel says that they'll hold Hamas responsible no matter which group fired the rocket, I'm asking if Hamas is attempting to say, "We're not in control of Gaza, don't blame us."
Sorry for the confusion.
| 1253 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:51:41pm |
re: #1239 HoosierHoops
Just about everybody I've picked..After about 7 hours of College ball today..I'll be posting the results in the morning...I got the Orangemen winning the National Championship this year...I still got a chance..
*falls to knees*
Everyone else has KY vs KU, me too. the chances of a blockbuster final like that? zip, pretty much.
| 1254 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:51:43pm |
re: #1250 Jimmah
People who put on a big display of piety are in almost all cases evil bastards, pricks, and wankers. No matter how many examples are shown to people they never seem to get that. There just seems to be an endless supply of suckers.
are you talking about LVQ?....
| 1255 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:52:13pm |
re: #1248 Bagua
Yeah, vague references to how I don't understand aren't really going to do much for me.
Everything I have said is correct, and what you posted does absolutely nothing to even contest it.
If you do not have anything new, I'm not going to bother responding to you.
| 1256 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:52:29pm |
If you missed the first run of Countdown tonight, watch the repeat in ten minutes. It's worth it.
| 1257 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:52:33pm |
re: #1249 albusteve
not really and I've never said such a thing...there was a sense of propriety tho
No, there wasn't. At all.
Now just chill albusteve, and let's all think happy thoughts about you becoming a grandpa. :)
| 1258 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:53:50pm |
re: #1257 iceweasel
No, there wasn't. At all.
Now just chill albusteve, and let's all think happy thoughts about you becoming a grandpa. :)
yes, there was, there was...Gramps has spoken!
okay....moving on
| 1259 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:53:56pm |
re: #1250 Jimmah
If it is untrue (the story, I mean. He is a wanker)... you should apologize.
| 1260 |
jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:54:55pm |
re: #1259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's starting to smell funny, based on what's shown at Charity Navigator.
| 1261 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:55:20pm |
re: #1239 HoosierHoops
Just about everybody I've picked..After about 7 hours of College ball today..I'll be posting the results in the morning...I got the Orangemen winning the National Championship this year...I still got a chance..
*falls to knees*
I didn't fill out a bracket this year. Good thing too. I bet everyone's is busted after today.
| 1262 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:55:41pm |
re: #1259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If it is untrue (the story, I mean. He is a wanker)... you should apologize.
there is some wankness in everyone...it's just human nature...
except me
| 1263 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:56:15pm |
re: #1251 Obdicut
Oh, I know they really are in control, I mean, given that Israel says that they'll hold Hamas responsible no matter which group fired the rocket, I'm asking if Hamas is attempting to say, "We're not in control of Gaza, don't blame us."
Sorry for the confusion.
Where did Hamas say they are not in control?
| 1264 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:56:15pm |
re: #1260 jaunte
It's starting to smell funny, based on what's shown at Charity Navigator.
See my number something or other where I said while I think he is stupid, I don't think he's that stupid.
| 1265 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:57:22pm |
re: #1261 soap_man
I didn't fill out a bracket this year. Good thing too. I bet everyone's is busted after today.
a million bucks for a perfect bracket...I forget who pays it...utterly impossible except by extreme luck, so it should be 5m
| 1266 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:58:02pm |
re: #1259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If it is untrue (the story, I mean. He is a wanker)... you should apologize.
He's ostentatiously pious - we can all see that ; there's really no argument there. You aren't disputing that he's a wanker. So what would I have to apologise for, exactly.
| 1268 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:58:34pm |
re: #1259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If it is untrue (the story, I mean. He is a wanker)... you should apologize.
I didn't read Jimmah as slagging off religious people, or religion, but making a point about the hypocritical outward display of piety in the absence of its real content.
And that seems like something lots of the genuinely religious people would agree with, I think. Isn't there something Jesus says about praying in your room, not in the street?
Too lazy to google, but you know what I mean.
| 1269 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:58:51pm |
re: #1238 freetoken
I don't know what to say about this, but it seems like something should be said:
What's this? Actual sanity about kidz and sex?
I think I'm going to faint.
| 1270 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:59:40pm |
re: #1244 albusteve
here's a hint...you can only get lucky
Let's look at an example today..
Vandy was heavily favored today against Murray State today...I've never seen these two teams play against each other...
After ten minutes you could just see the speed of State wear out Vandy..
They just ran them out of the gym by halftime..It was a close game but the favorite Vandy was just throwing up anything they could behind the arc..
Vandy is probably still taking on oxygen tonight..
Speed kills
| 1271 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:00:28pm |
re: #1265 albusteve
a million bucks for a perfect bracket...I forget who pays it...utterly impossible except by extreme luck, so it should be 5m
The Chicago Sun-Times offered the same deal last year. Nobody won, obviously.
On a related note, the Sun-Times also had a contest for the best Cubs video. The winning vid was pretty good and the ST wrote a story about it the next day. The day after, the Chicago Tribune wrote a story about it too.
Because the Trib made the video. They entered the contest hoping to win, so they could punk the ST. And they did.
| 1272 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:00:39pm |
1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
NIV version but I'm feeling lazy.
| 1273 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:01:21pm |
OMG!
I love these games that go right to the last few seconds...
| 1274 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:01:25pm |
re: #1266 Jimmah
You think he re: #1266 Jimmah
He's ostentatiously pious - we can all see that ; there's really no argument there. You aren't disputing that he's a wanker. So what would I have to apologise for, exactly.
Oh, shit. I was thinking you said all that. You quoted Cato. Cato said he pocketed money from orphans and widows.
Wasn't you, man. My bad.
| 1275 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:03:21pm |
re: #1263 Alouette
Heh. That's kind of what I'm asking. In that article you posted, it says that Israel is holding Hamas accountable no matter what group fires the weapon. So I was asking if Hamas is-- pathetically-- trying to disclaim responsibility for these attacks.
A previously unknown group, Ansar al-Sunna, believed to share the hardline ideology of al-Qaeda, claimed responsibility for the rocket fire at Israel, as well as the al-Aqsa Martrys Brigades, a wing of the Fatah movement.
Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai said that Israel holds Hamas accountable for attacks originating in the Gaza Strip regardless of the group that commits them.
Because obviously Hamas knows them and is letting them operate, assuming it even really was them and not Hamas.
| 1276 |
wee fury Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:04:37pm |
re: #1201 Bagua
When The Saints Go Marching In
[Video]
- Furry Lewis
My phone/internet service is a rinky-dink little company. When I applied for service -- I was handed two tin cans and a string. I cannot play your MP3's again. :-(
| 1277 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:04:44pm |
re: #1272 iceweasel
NIV version but I'm feeling lazy.
Forgive me, but I can never resist the LOL translation:
Givin To Da Needee
1 Dunt eatz ur cheezburgerz b4 udder kittez, cuz if u do you get no cheezburgerz from teh Ceiling Cat.2 When you give cheezburgerz 2 n00b kittez, dunt brag bout it kthx.3 when u give 2 n00b kittez, don't tell your left paw, k?4 If ur left paw dunt kno, you get teh cheezburgerz from Ceiling Cat.
Happy Cat tawt about prayz
5 so u be all leik MCHammertime and pray jus 2 make it 2day and stuff.6 Ceiling Cat is watching you prostrate but u donut no he is tho.7 ur pray shood not be made of fail.8 Ceiling Cat knows what u donut hate.
Ceiling Cat Prayerz n stuffs
9 u pray leik dis: Praise Ceiling Cat, who be watchin yu, may him has a cheezburger.10 Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly.11 Giv us dis day our dalee cheezburger.12 And furgiv us for makin yu a cookie, but eateding it.13 An leed us not into teh showa, but deliver us from teh wawter. Ceiling Cat pwns all. Him pwns teh ceiling an flor an walls too. Amen. (sum aweforehtehz ad "srsly")
14 if u sais sry Ceiling Cat will be leik s'ok iz kewl.15 if u donut sez sry Ceiling Cat will pwn u.
| 1278 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:05:20pm |
re: #1277 webevintage
That's the first one you've posted that really got me.
| 1279 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:06:18pm |
I picked Washington!!!!
| 1280 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:06:19pm |
re: #1265 albusteve
a million bucks for a perfect bracket...I forget who pays it...utterly impossible except by extreme luck, so it should be 5m
Just checked it out. Eleven surviors so far. 22 for 22. Spose luck has anything to do with it?
| 1281 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:06:29pm |
re: #1255 Obdicut
Yeah, vague references to how I don't understand aren't really going to do much for me.
Everything I have said is correct, and what you posted does absolutely nothing to even contest it.
If you do not have anything new, I'm not going to bother responding to you.
You are both right and wrong, depending on whose opinion one supports on this complex issue. You may call my references "vague" and insist your are correct, as usual, however this is a well known issue and I have given you sufficient links to increase your knowledge on the subject.
Again, from the link you posted:
To be considered a “state” under international law, the Montevideo Convention requires that an international personality have a defined territory, a permanent population, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other States. Many of the leading commentators in the field have often questioned whether the VCS really does qualify as a state, since its constituent elements are highly abnormal or reduced to a bare minimum. Further controversy exists over whether the VCS and the Holy See are actually two separate international personalities.
| 1282 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:06:34pm |
re: #1274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You think he re: #1266 Jimmah
Oh, shit. I was thinking you said all that. You quoted Cato. Cato said he pocketed money from orphans and widows.
Wasn't you, man. My bad.
I said no such thing. I mentioned no names in my post.
I merely said "imagine that" - as though it takes any imagination, in a world of Pat Robertsons, that a "conservative" poseur would use people's patriotic and religious impulses to enrich himself.
48-hour-rule still in effect as to the case under discussion.
| 1283 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:07:38pm |
re: #1276 wee fury
My phone/internet service is a rinky-dink little company. When I applied for service -- I was handed two tin cans and a string. I cannot play your MP3's again. :-(
I know, Freetoken has the same difficulty, the more universally accepted server is offline tonight. Sorry.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:09:06pm |
re: #1283 Bagua
Well, I got bandwidth capacity to spare, but I just can't access that server.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:10:05pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:10:07pm |
re: #1283 Bagua
I know, Freetoken has the same difficulty, the more universally accepted server is offline tonight. Sorry.
Huh?
| 1287 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:10:39pm |
re: #1176 Jimmah
A woman and her sock are dinging you, Spare? Really? Who is the woman and who is the sock?
Your inquiry will receive all the attention it deserves.
| 1288 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:12:49pm |
hey all.
have i missed anything?.............
| 1289 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:12:56pm |
re: #1281 Bagua
As usual, you appear to be arguing a subject you just read about. You're talking about an academic argument-- that has no bearing. It's like asking if the air force is 'really' constitutional. The status of the Vatican City State is not an argument under international law, where the Vatican City State is considered a state every damn day.
Vatican City State is a recognised national territory under international law, but it is the Holy See that conducts diplomatic relations on its behalf, in addition to the Holy See's own diplomacy, entering into international agreements in its regard.
That's what it is. Whether or not it academically qualifies is a completely moot point.
I have given you sufficient links to increase your knowledge on the subject.
You have provided the wiki link and... my own link, by the way. I'm not sure how that was supposed to educate me. I'm not sure if you just skimmed the wiki and missed the bit about it being recognized under international law, or what, but at any rate-- the argument over whether or not it's a 'real' state is completely academic and irrelevant to this conversation.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:13:06pm |
| 1291 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:13:15pm |
So.. How would you feel if you just won the Oscar for best Actress this year...
After it seems a thousand romantic movies and really being America's sweet heart like Sandra Bullock and to find your husband has been fucking a sleezy wanna be?
I promise you she is in tears tonight..Those tears are hot and bitter..
I'm sorry Sandra.. You didn't deserve to get burned..But the whole thing about hooking up with bad boys doesn't seem to work out so well...Find some nice French Director or something..
| 1292 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:13:28pm |
I was just looking though the shows we have on the DVR/tivo like thingee and my son is taping some stupid reality show called Billy the Exterminator.
The show has the best titles:
Psycho Racccon/Killer Spiders
Attack of the Trashcan Raccoon
| 1293 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:14:34pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
I feel truly sad for her.
I'm not a celebrity nut or anything.
But, that truly sucks.
She made such a beautiful gesture to him at the Oscar's too.
| 1294 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:14:35pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
I always thought that guy was a douche. Man, I'd hate to be famous.
| 1295 |
simoom Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:15:06pm |
re: #1159 windsagio
in other news,
desktop dungeon 0.5 was finally released! Everybody should totally download it, its a really fun ~5 minute game.
I downloaded it and died in two clicks :p.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:15:19pm |
re: #1290 freetoken
We're talking file sharing service access, in this case for embedded music...
[Video]
Oh. I thought a chunk of the Internet was down. Thank you.
| 1297 |
albusteve Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:15:38pm |
re: #1280 The Shadow Do
Just checked it out. Eleven surviors so far. 22 for 22. Spose luck has anything to do with it?
just wait til it goes deeper...Lady Luck rules
| 1298 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:16:06pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:16:20pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
Why the hell did SHE leave that house? I woulda' thrown his clothes into the street.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:16:21pm |
re: #1284 freetoken
Well, I got bandwidth capacity to spare, but I just can't access that server.
On the last thread where this occurred one of the IT experts explained why some people are blocked and others not.
| 1302 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:16:57pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
Sad, the lives "the stars" live.
Much better to be a common man.
live a common life.
And have a nice time of it.
No presstitutes chasing anyone that you know.
| 1303 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:17:12pm |
re: #1293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I feel truly sad for her.
I'm not a celebrity nut or anything.
But, that truly sucks.
She made such a beautiful gesture to him at the Oscar's too.
Fame, what everyone wants and regrets. I don't know, except I would hate to have all this be so, public.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:17:39pm |
| 1306 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:17:49pm |
Anyone screwing over Sandra Bullock needs his ass kicked. Hard.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:17:51pm |
| 1308 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:18:07pm |
re: #1302 Floral Giraffe
Presstitutes. Good one.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:18:10pm |
re: #1302 Floral Giraffe
When Bridges won the Oscar, I thought, "I know nothing about his personal life. That's awesome. He's managed to keep it out. Good job."
Seriously, the most impressive thing about a celebrity for me is if they manage to hold onto privacy.
| 1310 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:18:33pm |
re: #1289 Obdicut
OK, so you are confused, no problem, happens a lot I see. If you read the links I supplied you would understand the issue better, but you prefer this game you play. Have fun.
| 1311 |
MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:18:33pm |
re: #1306 The Shadow Do
Anyone screwing over Sandra Bullock needs his ass kicked. Hard.
I hope she has a good pre-nup.
| 1312 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:18:38pm |
re: #1299 MandyManners
Why the hell did SHE leave that house? I woulda' thrown his clothes into the street.
No kidding.
I try not get to "into" the lives of stars but I feel really bad for her.
What a way to harsh her buzz...
| 1313 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:19:33pm |
re: #1310 Bagua
Yeah. I'll read the links-- that consist of wiki and the page I linked to.
But Wiki will still say:
Vatican City State is a recognised national territory under international law
So you'll still be wrong.
| 1314 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:19:36pm |
re: #1275 Obdicut
Heh. That's kind of what I'm asking. In that article you posted, it says that Israel is holding Hamas accountable no matter what group fires the weapon. So I was asking if Hamas is-- pathetically-- trying to disclaim responsibility for these attacks.
Because obviously Hamas knows them and is letting them operate, assuming it even really was them and not Hamas.
If Hamas did not want this group to operate on their turf, they would be throwing them out of top-story windows, as they have done to their gang rivals (Fatah)
.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:19:42pm |
re: #1309 Obdicut
When Bridges won the Oscar, I thought, "I know nothing about his personal life. That's awesome. He's managed to keep it out. Good job."
Seriously, the most impressive thing about a celebrity for me is if they manage to hold onto privacy.
You know, I always wondered about Elizabeth Taylor's kids. She has some right? Never heard of em. Good job Liz!
| 1316 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:19:55pm |
re: #1311 MandyManners
I hope she takes every single one of his cars away from him.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:20:33pm |
re: #1312 webevintage
No kidding.
I try not get to "into" the lives of stars but I feel really bad for her.
What a way to harsh her buzz...
All the more cruel.
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windhorse Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:20:33pm |
I have no clue who Sandra Bullock and Jesse James are..... and, I am so glad.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:20:56pm |
re: #1314 Alouette
Yeah, I figured. It's just another idiotic excuse Hamas is using. "It's not us murdering thugs, it's those guys. Never mind that they clearly have our approval."
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:21:33pm |
re: #1316 Obdicut
I hope she takes every single one of his cars away from him.
How many does the asshole have?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:22:01pm |
re: #1315 Stanley Sea
You know, I always wondered about Elizabeth Taylor's kids. She has some right? Never heard of em. Good job Liz!
Dolly Parton has been married to the same guy since 1966. I can't recall his name.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:22:24pm |
re: #1322 SanFranciscoZionist
Dolly Parton has been married to the same guy since 1966. I can't recall his name.
Fang?
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:22:32pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
So.. How would you feel if you just won the Oscar for best Actress this year...
After it seems a thousand romantic movies and really being America's sweet heart like Sandra Bullock and to find your husband has been fucking a sleezy wanna be?
I promise you she is in tears tonight..Those tears are hot and bitter..
I'm sorry Sandra.. You didn't deserve to get burned..But the whole thing about hooking up with bad boys doesn't seem to work out so well...Find some nice French Director or something..
What? You mean Sandra Bullock is not gay? But she thanked her lover Meryl Streep and said she was a great kisser!
I thought it was a great moment for Teh Ghey!
/devastated now
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:22:39pm |
re: #1322 SanFranciscoZionist
Dolly Parton has been married to the same guy since 1966. I can't recall his name.
Mr. Happy.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:23:02pm |
re: #1321 MandyManners
That's his thing. He's a hot-rod designer/maker/collector. So a lot, and they mean a lot to him.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:23:13pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
So.. How would you feel if you just won the Oscar for best Actress this year...
After it seems a thousand romantic movies and really being America's sweet heart like Sandra Bullock and to find your husband has been fucking a sleezy wanna be?
I promise you she is in tears tonight..Those tears are hot and bitter..
I'm sorry Sandra.. You didn't deserve to get burned..But the whole thing about hooking up with bad boys doesn't seem to work out so well...Find some nice French Director or something..
I've been calling, emailing, texting, writing old-fashioned letters, sending presents, hanging out in front of her house, showing up at events, fighting my way past security guards, contesting court orders, and continuing all this as best I could from behind bars, trying to convince Sandra that I knew I was the guy for her ever since I first saw "While You Were Speeding" or "Sleep" or whatever that movie was.
Seriously, woman, who hooks up with a guy who for real calls himself Jesse James? Even if that is what his parents named him?
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:23:56pm |
re: #1287 Spare O'Lake
Your inquiry will receive all the attention it deserves.
I see you are having difficulty coming up with an answer. Thought you would.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:23:57pm |
re: #1293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I feel truly sad for her.
I'm not a celebrity nut or anything.
But, that truly sucks.
She made such a beautiful gesture to him at the Oscar's too.
And a tear ran down Jessie's cheek..In such a tender moment..
Maybe he was crying cause he was worried Sandra might find out he had been hooking up with another woman...
Of course..Anytime you hook up with a guy that left his 8 month pregnant wife for someone else you should get a clue...
I know she is deeply hurt tonight..And it is hurtful beyond our comprehension..
But.. I've been telling woman Bad Boys will mess up your world for years..
I ain't lying
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:24:27pm |
re: #1327 Cato the Elder
The moron is some distant-ass relative of the real Jesse James, and mentions it every chance he gets.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:25:48pm |
re: #1313 Obdicut
Yeah. I'll read the links-- that consist of wiki and the page I linked to.
But Wiki will still say:
So you'll still be wrong.
Read my posts, you will find I stated you are both right and wrong, thus the controversy which swirls around this issue since 1929.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:26:38pm |
re: #1330 HoosierHoops
Most of the "cool guys/bad boys" that I went to school with are dead/in jail/ bringing carts inside at Walmart.
Not that bringing carts inside at Walmart is a bad thing, but, I'm guessing it is not where they saw themselves years ago when they were bad asses.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:26:54pm |
re: #1330 HoosierHoops
And a tear ran down Jessie's cheek..In such a tender moment..
Maybe he was crying cause he was worried Sandra might find out he had been hooking up with another woman...
Of course..Anytime you hook up with a guy that left his 8 month pregnant wife for someone else you should get a clue...
I know she is deeply hurt tonight..And it is hurtful beyond our comprehension..
But.. I've been telling woman Bad Boys will mess up your world for years..
I ain't lying
It's too bad he is not a golfer so she could do the Elin Woods beat down.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:27:05pm |
Who remembers Jesse James previous wife?
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:27:11pm |
re: #1326 Obdicut
That's his thing. He's a hot-rod designer/maker/collector. So a lot, and they mean a lot to him.
I'd be tempted to dump dog poop in every one.
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windhorse Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:27:59pm |
is Jesse James related to W.H. Hudson who wrote "Green Mansions"?
-uh, no, I didn't think so.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:28:22pm |
re: #1290 freetoken
We're talking file sharing service access, in this case for embedded music...
Here is the solution that Varek found:
Ah, ha! I just replaced my Hosts file with the Windows default and they work!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:28:54pm |
re: #1336 MandyManners
The cars didn't cheat on anyone. They deserve to be given to the members of LGF because every guy here, apparently, is in love with Sandra Bullock.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:29:37pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:30:56pm |
re: #1340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I love my wife.
But... I'll take a car.
If you traded your wife for a car, who would have the higher payment?
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The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:31:04pm |
re: #1322 SanFranciscoZionist
Dolly Parton has been married to the same guy since 1966. I can't recall his name.
Ann Margeret, married to Roger since 1967. Love her, met them both.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:31:25pm |
re: #1331 Obdicut
The moron is some distant-ass relative of the real Jesse James, and mentions it every chance he gets.
The True Ballad of Jesse James
by Sherwood Ross
Jesse James was no lad
He was grown and he was bad,
He robbed the Glendale train.
He was 34 years old
And his only god was gold
To get rich, 15 poor folks were slain.
cho1:Poor Jesse, my heart bleeds
For his millionaire-style needs
He killed with Quantrell's raiders for the South;
When his side lost the war
He just kept killin' like before
He's a hand, a cold heart
And quite a big mouth.
Fourteen men and a girl died
In the dust when Jesse'd ride
The girl trampled at the Kansas fair;
He blew railroad men to hell
And three Pinkertons as well
And liked to write the press
He wasn't there.
In that bloody Northfield fight
They killed two in broad daylight,
Jesse shot the teller in the head;
But the townfolk showed great heart
The shot the gang apart
'Til two of Jesse's thugs lay dead.
cho2:Poor Jesse was not poor
That's a lot of horse manure
He stole half a million from the till;
He was 34 years old
And his only god was gold
And nary a single rich man did he kill.
To notoriety a slave
He'd write the press and rave
Hardly your poor man's saviour;
As for the dirty little coward
Who shot Mister Howard
Why Robert Ford did the world a favor.
Hurrah for Jesse? Save your breath
He left a trail of blood and death
Across a dozen Midwestern states;
Cold-blooded in his wrath
He was your common sociopath
Lyung was one of Jesse's nobler traits.
Be on your way,
Billy Gashade
Who the old James ballad made;
Historians see little truth there in it;
One thing your pack of lies
Has made me realize
There's a press agent born every minute.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:32:11pm |
re: #1341 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cash for "clunkers", or something.
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Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:33:24pm |
re: #1334 Alouette
It's too bad he is not a golfer so she could do the Elin Woods beat down.
Jessie cheated on the cutest girl in the world..He is scum
Tiger had 14 mistresses and is the most popular Athlete in the world..
Can you imagine the pain Elin is going through?
/Yea # 7 didn't mean a thing baby...
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:33:51pm |
re: #1339 Obdicut
The cars didn't cheat on anyone. They deserve to be given to the members of LGF because every guy here, apparently, is in love with Sandra Bullock.
Hey, she's a home girl. Lived here for years. Ran into her several times. Austin is strange town for celebs in that they are generally left alone and the paparazzi don't exist here. I ran into her in Whole Foods once, said "Hey, Sandy, how's life?' She replied, "Good, and yours?" I said, "Can't complain. "See ya." he says, "Bye, now."
And that was it. Nice town.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:35:24pm |
re: #1347 austin_blue
Hey, she's a home girl. Lived here for years. Ran into her several times. Austin is strange town for celebs in that they are generally left alone and the paparazzi don't exist here. I ran into her in Whole Foods once, said "Hey, Sandy, how's life?' She replied, "Good, and yours?" I said, "Can't complain. "See ya." she says, "Bye, now."
And that was it. Nice town.
PIMF
| 1349 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:35:33pm |
re: #1329 Jimmah
I see you are having difficulty coming up with an answer. Thought you would.
Why are you so interested, Jimmah Carter?
| 1351 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:36:37pm |
re: #1331 Obdicut
The moron is some distant-ass relative of the real Jesse James, and mentions it every chance he gets.
Another warning sign.
Now he's saying he showed "poor judgment" - but part of the blame goes to the women who hook up with guys a large part of whose persona is "I'm a bad boy and and asshole".
And he's five years her junior. Don't dee wymuns know how these guys are wired? "Marry famous older wife with a huge career and ten times my fortune, cheat when her age starts to show, sue for manimony when she divorces me, and screw everything in sight for the rest of my life."
Sandra needs a nice older Roman, but right now the cellphone blocking tech is up and running again here on the cell block.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:37:37pm |
I'd be tempted to slash his clothes before I dumped them into the road. Cut out the crotch of all his undies.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:38:56pm |
re: #1343 SanFranciscoZionist
That bastard. Once a dog always a dog, I guess.
The first Jesse's family homestead is in Kearney MO.[Link: www.jessejames.org...]
| 1354 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:39:12pm |
re: #1352 MandyManners
Appears he has crotchless undies anyway.
| 1355 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:39:16pm |
re: #1352 MandyManners
I'd be tempted to slash his clothes before I dumped them into the road. Cut out the crotch of all his undies.
I set fire to an Ex's clothes after taking them from her closet when I was 18.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:39:36pm |
re: #1352 MandyManners
I'd be tempted to slash his clothes before I dumped them into the road. Cut out the crotch of all his undies.
Ooohhh... I love going crotchless.
| 1357 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:39:45pm |
re: #1338 Bagua
Well, I use a Mac, not Windows, so I don't really know what Varek was doing.
My computer and IP server can find the music file server just fine, but the filefreak tells me they can't find your file. Perhaps that service has blocked access to my block of (Cox) IP addresses.
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:39:50pm |
re: #1329 Jimmah
I see you are having difficulty coming up with an answer. Thought you would.
Of course. It's just more carping and shit-stirring. And butthurt, lol. pretty much permanently set at Throbbing, Threat Level Orange.
Ignore.
| 1359 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:39:53pm |
re: #1329 Jimmah
I see you are having difficulty coming up with an answer. Thought you would.
Oh, I do hope he means me!
That would be oh so utterly thrilling!
| 1360 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:40:08pm |
re: #1356 Walter L. Newton
Just the undies, of course.
| 1361 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:40:34pm |
re: #1352 MandyManners
I'd be tempted to slash his clothes before I dumped them into the road. Cut out the crotch of all his undies.
Love the new Avatar. KSH is a much better choice than Calvin pissing on someone's God. Upding!
| 1362 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:40:49pm |
| 1363 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:40:58pm |
re: #1355 Cannadian Club Akbar
I set fire to an Ex's clothes after taking them from her closet when I was 18.
WOW. What did she do to you, if I may ask?
| 1365 |
MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:41:25pm |
re: #1355 Cannadian Club Akbar
I set fire to an Ex's clothes after taking them from her closet when I was 18.
I think I saw you on Judge Joe Brown.
| 1366 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:41:56pm |
re: #1363 iceweasel
WOW. What did she do to you, if I may ask?
She wasn't exactly his girlfriend... He did it right after the restraining order was signed by the judge...
| 1367 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:42:15pm |
re: #1363 iceweasel
WOW. What did she do to you, if I may ask?
Cheated. And after asking for the ring I bought for her, I threw it in a field. Heh.
| 1368 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:42:18pm |
re: #1349 Spare O'Lake
Why are you so interested, Jimmah Carter?
Your inability to answer a simple question about the post you made. I guess also the more you squirm and try to deflect, the funnier it gets. Oh btw - calling me Jimmah Carter is devastating. Please whatever you do, don't do that again...lol
| 1369 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:42:40pm |
re: #1363 iceweasel
WOW. What did she do to you, if I may ask?
Begged him to come back? (There are those....)
| 1370 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:42:40pm |
re: #1343 SanFranciscoZionist
The True Ballad of Jesse James
by Sherwood Ross
Jesse James was no lad
He was grown and he was bad,
He robbed the Glendale train.
He was 34 years old
And his only god was gold
To get rich, 15 poor folks were slain.cho1:Poor Jesse, my heart bleeds
For his millionaire-style needs
He killed with Quantrell's raiders for the South;
When his side lost the war
He just kept killin' like before
He's a hand, a cold heart
And quite a big mouth.Fourteen men and a girl died
In the dust when Jesse'd ride
The girl trampled at the Kansas fair;
He blew railroad men to hell
And three Pinkertons as well
And liked to write the press
He wasn't there.In that bloody Northfield fight
They killed two in broad daylight,
Jesse shot the teller in the head;
But the townfolk showed great heart
The shot the gang apart
'Til two of Jesse's thugs lay dead.cho2:Poor Jesse was not poor
That's a lot of horse manure
He stole half a million from the till;
He was 34 years old
And his only god was gold
And nary a single rich man did he kill.To notoriety a slave
He'd write the press and rave
Hardly your poor man's saviour;
As for the dirty little coward
Who shot Mister Howard
Why Robert Ford did the world a favor.Hurrah for Jesse? Save your breath
He left a trail of blood and death
Across a dozen Midwestern states;
Cold-blooded in his wrath
He was your common sociopath
Lyung was one of Jesse's nobler traits.Be on your way,
Billy Gashade
Who the old James ballad made;
Historians see little truth there in it;
One thing your pack of lies
Has made me realize
There's a press agent born every minute.
In many ways, the Northfield robbery explains why the South lost the Civil War. Though the former Confederates of the James-Younger Gang were better fighters than the townspeople, the Union men of the town were not cowards and they fought well enough. Not as well as their enemies, but but more than enough so that their numbers made up the difference. Though the Rebel was better man-to-man, the disparity of numbers and firepower left him at a grave disadvantage.
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The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:43:45pm |
re: #1367 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cheated. And after asking for the ring I bought for her, I threw it in a field. Heh.
Ouch. Sorry to hear that. Understandable reaction on your part, imo.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:43:55pm |
Dickhead's first wife cut his clothes to shreds when she found out he was cheating. Of course, I didn't know this until I talked to her after I booted him out. I decided then and there to never date someone whose spouse julienned his clothes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:44:06pm |
re: #1367 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cheated. And after asking for the ring I bought for her, I threw it in a field. Heh.
I threw in her Gucci bag for spite.:)
| 1374 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:44:38pm |
re: #1370 Dark_Falcon
In many ways, the Northfield robbery explains why the South lost the Civil War. Though the former Confederates of the James-Younger Gang were better fighters than the townspeople, the Union men of the town were not cowards and they fought well enough. Not as well as their enemies, but but more than enough so that their numbers made up the difference. Though the Rebel was better man-to-man, the disparity of numbers and firepower left him at a grave disadvantage.
I understand that there wasn't another bank robbery in Northfield until the 1970s sometime. The robbers didn't make it out of town with the money that time, either.
The story I read about this commented, "Tough with a dollar, those Minnesotans."
| 1375 |
jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:44:58pm |
re: #1372 MandyManners
My wife took her abusive ex's car to get out of Tupelo, then had it disassembled and 'disappeared' into a field.
| 1376 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:45:11pm |
re: #1370 Dark_Falcon
There's a serious fallacy in your post, referring to the rebels as 'better man-to-man'. It may have been the case in a situation of hardened criminals/ex-soldiers vs. townspeople, but in the context of the war, its very very far from true.
| 1378 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:46:44pm |
re: #1369 austin_blue
Begged him to come back? (There are those...)
Oh yeah. Reminds me of this recent Dan Savage letter:
I am a girl who sabotaged my relationship. I was angry; I had complaints. But my real issue was a store of repressed childhood trauma, and I was working it out on the closest person to me, my BF. We had something magical, and I destroyed it. I am now willing to give 110 percent to fix it.
We no longer have sex. We are hardly on speaking terms. I know now that my relationship skills are stunted—more childhood baggage—but I want to save my relationship. Do you have any tips on initiating sex with someone whom I have traumatized or on improving communication with someone who is so resentful? I am willing to give it time and effort, accept my faults, and breathe deeply rather than react in anger when we talk through things.
Saboteur Addressing Dysfunctions
I'll get to your problem in a second, SAD. But first, a Savage Love programming note: I don't usually mention where I'm writing a particular column, because it doesn't really matter whether my computer is sitting on Ann Landers's desk or resting on Apolo Ohno's ass. (I will let you know when I am writing in a bar, though, because alcohol can impair an advice columnist's judgment.)
I'm writing this column on an airplane, and I was totally in the zone when I noticed that the guy sitting next to me on this airplane was reading my laptop screen. So I wrote this: "HEY! YOU! YEAH, YOU! THE GUY SITTING NEXT TO ME ON DELTA 2360! STOP READING THIS SHIT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD!"
Some people.
Okay, SAD: Unless your boyfriend is a weight bench or an exercise ball, you weren't "working it out" on him. You were taking it out on him. Now, maybe you've been led to believe—by your counselor, by Oprah, by some other idiot with an advice column—that you can just throw up your hands and say, "Childhood issues! Childhood baggage!" and everything will be magic again. Sorry, SAD, but sometimes the damage is too great. Your boyfriend won't speak to you? Won't fuck you?
Game over.
Accept that you—not your issues, not your baggage, but you yourself—screwed yourself out of a decent guy. End it, get your ass into counseling, and make an effort to resolve your issues and unpack your bags before you inflict yourself on some other dope. You don't have to be 100 percent healthy before you date—no one is 100 percent healthy—but you do have to be in relatively good working order.
And what does the guy sitting next to me on this airplane think?
"I've dated girls like her," says TGSNTMOTA. "Daddy issues. She should get over her shit before she dates someone else, you know, but she probably won't. Girls like her never do. But maybe this one will, because you're pulling her up short. And she should move to an island—Hawaii, the Big Island—because being on an island can really help you work through your shit."
Thanks, TGSNTMOTA!
-----
I thought his response was great.
| 1379 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:46:45pm |
re: #1357 freetoken
Well, I use a Mac, not Windows, so I don't really know what Varek was doing.
My computer and IP server can find the music file server just fine, but the filefreak tells me they can't find your file. Perhaps that service has blocked access to my block of (Cox) IP addresses.
Here is a YT version for you and Wee Fury. I'll avoid Filefreak in the future.
When The Saints Come Marching In
| 1380 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:47:22pm |
re: #1359 windsagio
Oh, I do hope he means me!
That would be oh so utterly thrilling!
Heh. Oh btw - I noticed on my weekly scan of the stalker site that you and WUB are on their radar now - you were referred to as foremost among LGF's "next generation of assholes" ...lol
| 1381 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:47:28pm |
G'night knuckleheads.
Again, Cato? Jimmah? My mistake, Sorry again. Thanks for not hanging me by my crotchless undies.
| 1382 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:48:00pm |
re: #1352 MandyManners
I'd be tempted to slash his clothes before I dumped them into the road. Cut out the crotch of all his undies.
Yow! That's a little harsh!
My first wife, I simply marched, naked, by the elbow out of the house. I later neatly deposited her clothing on the lawn. Seemed the decent thing to do.
Seeing as how she was screwing half the county...
| 1383 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:48:02pm |
re: #1380 Jimmah
Heh. Oh btw - I noticed on my weekly scan of the stalker site that you and WUB are on their radar now - you were referred to as foremost among LGF's "next generation of assholes" ...lol
Are they still ignoring me?
| 1384 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:48:18pm |
re: #1380 Jimmah
That's good news, I guess. I'm afraid I'm not really worth stalking tho', unless you wanna hear more terrible stories about disabled people.
| 1385 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:49:19pm |
re: #1370 Dark_Falcon
In many ways, the Northfield robbery explains why the South lost the Civil War. Though the former Confederates of the James-Younger Gang were better fighters than the townspeople, the Union men of the town were not cowards and they fought well enough. Not as well as their enemies, but but more than enough so that their numbers made up the difference. Though the Rebel was better man-to-man, the disparity of numbers and firepower left him at a grave disadvantage.
Better command structure. Better generals, until Grant came on the scene. He understood the logistics, and ground the Rebs into a stain.
| 1386 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:49:24pm |
| 1387 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:49:43pm |
re: #1370 Dark_Falcon
In many ways, the Northfield robbery explains why the South lost the Civil War. Though the former Confederates of the James-Younger Gang were better fighters than the townspeople, the Union men of the town were not cowards and they fought well enough. Not as well as their enemies, but but more than enough so that their numbers made up the difference. Though the Rebel was better man-to-man, the disparity of numbers and firepower left him at a grave disadvantage.
Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness
could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and
famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking
memories that bound us together as no other bond;—was not such manhood
to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?
When General Gordon came opposite of me, I had the bugle blown
and the entire line came to ‘attention’…The General was riding in
advance of his troops, his chin drooped to his breast, downhearted and
dejected in appearance almost beyond description. As the sound of that
machine-like snap of arms, however, General Gordon started, caught in
a moment of its significance, and instantly assumed the finest
attitude of a soldier. He wheeled his horse facing me, touching him
gently with the spur, so that the animal slightly reared, and as he
wheeled, horse and rider made one motion, the horses head swung down
with a graceful bow and General Gordon dropped his sword point to his
toe in salutation…On our part, not a sound of trumpet more, nor the
roll of drum; not a cheer, nor word nor whisper of vain-glorying, nor
motion of man standing again at the order, but an awed stillness
rather, and breathing-holding, as if it were the passing of the dead.
-- Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, of the surrender at Appomattox, in The Passing of the Armies: The Last Campaign of the Armies
| 1388 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:49:53pm |
That 16 seed is playing pretty well so far...
| 1389 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:50:04pm |
re: #1381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
G'night knuckleheads.
Again, Cato? Jimmah? My mistake, Sorry again. Thanks for not hanging me by my crotchless undies.
Nae probs ma man. I ken yer no a dobber like sum o the fucknuts aboot here a could menshin. :)
| 1390 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:50:08pm |
re: #1376 windsagio
There's a serious fallacy in your post, referring to the rebels as 'better man-to-man'. It may have been the case in a situation of hardened criminals/ex-soldiers vs. townspeople, but in the context of the war, its very very far from true.
It's that much of the disparity early on was really about leadership, you're right. The South did have better battle leaders for the first part of the war and that made a difference. Once the Union found Generals who could win battle such as George Gordon Meade, and Ulysses Simpson Grant, the Southern edge was eroded.
| 1391 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:50:43pm |
| 1392 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:51:03pm |
| 1393 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:51:47pm |
The thing that really kills me about that Savage Love letter is that this is her question:
Do you have any tips on initiating sex with someone whom I have traumatized or on improving communication with someone who is so resentful?
Yeah. Because if only they started having sex again, everything would be ok. ///
| 1394 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:51:51pm |
re: #1385 austin_blue
Though Stonewall is a vastly overrated general. Vastly. And the best guy the Confederates had, in my opinion, was also the most psychotic.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 1395 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:52:07pm |
re: #1390 Dark_Falcon
haha, as I said sorry, I find the romanticization of the South really unpleasant.
Your analysis here sounds right tho, they had to get the old seniority Fogies out of the way.
| 1396 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:52:22pm |
Colorado Weather Advisories for 18 March 6:50 am MDT
Synopsis – A low pressure system diving south out of Canada will bring a winter storm to the region from central Wyoming, all of Colorado and into northeastern New Mexico with heavy snow at times and gusty winds creating near blizzard conditions in some areas. The heavy snow will start late tonight and begin diminishing Friday night from north to south. Expect upwards of 6 to 12 inches in the plains and Denver metro while the mountains could see upwards of 8 to 16 inches.
The main impact will be hazardous / dangerous travel conditions on the roads and possibly flight delays out of Denver International (DIA) on Friday. Expect the usual delays and possibly closures along I-25 from Wyoming to New Mexico and I-70 west of Denver and over Vail Pass. Friday may be a good day to work from home.
| 1397 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:52:48pm |
| 1398 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:53:06pm |
re: #1394 Obdicut
Lee was also somewhat overrated, especially as the war went on. Gettysburg was a mistake in every sense, but he'd started to believe his own myth.
| 1399 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:53:12pm |
The election of officers was a huge problem for the South, too. Huge.
| 1400 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:53:18pm |
re: #1388 soap_man
That 16 seed is playing pretty well so far...
Pretty well..Never in the History of basketball has a 16 beat a 1..Never...
But how exciting would it be to play the #1 seed in the country in the first round?
| 1401 |
MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:53:45pm |
re: #1382 The Shadow Do
Yow! That's a little harsh!
My first wife, I simply marched, naked, by the elbow out of the house. I later neatly deposited her clothing on the lawn. Seemed the decent thing to do.Seeing as how she was screwing half the county...
Harsh?
| 1402 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:53:56pm |
re: #1387 The Sanity Inspector
Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness
could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and
famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking
memories that bound us together as no other bond;—was not such manhood
to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?
When General Gordon came opposite of me, I had the bugle blown
and the entire line came to ‘attention’…The General was riding in
advance of his troops, his chin drooped to his breast, downhearted and
dejected in appearance almost beyond description. As the sound of that
machine-like snap of arms, however, General Gordon started, caught in
a moment of its significance, and instantly assumed the finest
attitude of a soldier. He wheeled his horse facing me, touching him
gently with the spur, so that the animal slightly reared, and as he
wheeled, horse and rider made one motion, the horses head swung down
with a graceful bow and General Gordon dropped his sword point to his
toe in salutation…On our part, not a sound of trumpet more, nor the
roll of drum; not a cheer, nor word nor whisper of vain-glorying, nor
motion of man standing again at the order, but an awed stillness
rather, and breathing-holding, as if it were the passing of the dead.
-- Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, of the surrender at Appomattox, in The Passing of the Armies: The Last Campaign of the Armies
General Chamberlain was truly one the great Union heroes of the war. It's remarkable that he had been a College professor with no military background before the war. He ended as a brevet Major General with permanent rank of Brigadier General. He was also one the longest lived Civil War heroes, living till 1915.
| 1403 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:54:13pm |
re: #1383 SanFranciscoZionist
Are they still ignoring me?
Oh I think they have mentioned you recently as well - disparagingly, you'll be glad to hear :)
| 1404 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:54:33pm |
re: #1382 The Shadow Do
Flipping sympathy ding there. Hopefully it's all good now.
| 1405 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:54:44pm |
re: #1370 Dark_Falcon
Upding for the anti-anti-hero-ballad ballad.
Those "outlaw with a heart of gold" songs can really be pretty hard to stomach.
Though I'm told Pretty Boy Floyd used to give Christmas dinners to families on relief.
I believe it was Bob Dylan or Joan Baez who gave me that tidbit.
| 1406 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:54:52pm |
re: #1403 Jimmah
Oh I think they have mentioned you recently as well - disparagingly, you'll be glad to hear :)
Hmm, is my stealth still effective?
;)
| 1407 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:55:10pm |
| 1408 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:55:13pm |
| 1409 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:56:16pm |
As one could tell by the links I've posted on this marathon thread I've turned most of my attention to the "culture wars" problem in our society.
Mostly I'm thinking of religion and science.
However it's more than that, as also commented by others here over the recent past, the ultra-right, true conservative, fundamentalist libertarian alliance/concert seem to be circling the wagons, so to speak.
Today the MoonieTimes ran an opinion piece: Impeach the president? (which is about the health care bill struggles) that has the wingnuts salivating all over the place, including freeperville of course.
The author of that piece doesn't explain how one impeaches a President for the actions of Congress, but I guess that would be expecting too much from them.
Anyway, over on freeperville the inmates are going crazy, and one of the long-time inmates wrote a screed that headlined a thread titled: "I'm Ready to Purge All Liberals from my Life (vanity) by TruthHound " in which the rabid writes that he is going to cut off family members, etc. Further he writes:
I'm drawing a line. You're on my side or theirs. No more co-existence.
That is the writing of an emotionally (not just intellectually) challenged person.
The wingnuts really are going into cult mode, withdrawing into their own world. Outside data can't get in.
Outside supervision will not be allowed in. It's sociopathy is that of a religious zealot blinded by rage.
And its infected too much of our political system and decision making processes, IMO, to avoid detrimental effects.
| 1410 |
wee fury Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:56:21pm |
re: #1374 SanFranciscoZionist
Every year -- The Defeat of Jesse James.
| 1411 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:56:46pm |
re: #1398 windsagio
I think he'd simply lost the faith that the South could win, even by that point. I think he felt the diplomats had fucked up the chance for international support.
I'm not that conversant with that angle of it, though, that's just an impression I got from my grandpa, who was a real Civil War buff.
| 1412 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:57:07pm |
re: #1398 windsagio
Lee was also somewhat overrated, especially as the war went on. Gettysburg was a mistake in every sense, but he'd started to believe his own myth.
Do you know that in Arkansas MLK is not only ML King day but also Robert E Lee day?
Yeah.
I know.
| 1413 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:57:08pm |
re: #1402 Dark_Falcon
General Chamberlain was truly one the great Union heroes of the war. It's remarkable that he had been a College professor with no military background before the war. He ended as a brevet Major General with permanent rank of Brigadier General. He was also one the longest lived Civil War heroes, living till 1915.
Yes, he should have been President. He was a very accomplished man.
| 1414 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:57:38pm |
re: #1383 SanFranciscoZionist
Are they still ignoring me?
You and I are not important enough to rate off-blog stalkers it appears. :(
| 1415 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:57:56pm |
| 1416 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:58:29pm |
re: #1405 Cato the Elder
Upding for the anti-anti-hero-ballad ballad.
Those "outlaw with a heart of gold" songs can really be pretty hard to stomach.
Though I'm told Pretty Boy Floyd used to give Christmas dinners to families on relief.
I believe it was Bob Dylan or Joan Baez who gave me that tidbit.
Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie recorded the "Ballad of Jesse James" which portrayed the scumbag killer as a hero. I guess they saw him as a proletariat hero of the people, a'robbin' banks and a'killin' The Man
| 1417 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:58:43pm |
re: #1409 freetoken
Thanks for the crazy roundup. Man, it's tough to keep up these days. The political climate has changed so drastically in the past year and there are more changes to come.
| 1418 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:59:08pm |
re: #1409 freetoken
The rejection of data is a very difficult thing to get past. It's kind of cult-like.
Hopefully this will sort out the ones who were just enjoying being pissed off-- hopefully they'll get scared off by the increasingly erratic behavior, and not emulate it.
I don't know. I've never seen anything like it before.
| 1419 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 7:59:19pm |
re: #1404 Stanley Sea
Flipping sympathy ding there. Hopefully it's all good now.
Oh, hell yes. Been married to the same, too smart for me, woman for 25 years now.
| 1420 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:00:28pm |
re: #1394 Obdicut
Though Stonewall is a vastly overrated general. Vastly. And the best guy the Confederates had, in my opinion, was also the most psychotic.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Forrest was a vicious man, no two ways about it. He was like Joshim Peiper of the SS in World War II: A superior combat officer, who a man was a ruthless monster. But the ruthlessness of Forrest in the west finally found its equal in William Tecumseh Sherman, whose methods of total war broke the ability of Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina to continue the war.
| 1421 |
Digital Display Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:00:40pm |
Albusteve! Wake up! Your team is now playing in the Big Dance...
Lobo's are behind by 1 point right now
| 1422 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:00:53pm |
| 1423 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:01:19pm |
re: #1368 Jimmah
You were advised by your better half not to talk to me, Jimmah Carter. I think it would be better for you if you obey. I'll tell what I will do, though, if you insist I'll write a little song about you and Iceweasel if you ask me nicely, Jimmah Carter.
It's up to you, Jimmah Carter.
| 1424 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:01:19pm |
re: #1394 Obdicut
Though Stonewall is a vastly overrated general. Vastly. And the best guy the Confederates had, in my opinion, was also the most psychotic.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I didn't even have to click the link to know you were talking about Nathan Bedford Forrest. (At least, I hope that's who you were talking about.) And yes, he was the Sherman of the south.
But the best Confederate General was Longstreet. He understood the raw numbers and the logistics. He was the best they had. Brilliant defensive General. He understood Strategery!
| 1425 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:01:21pm |
| 1426 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:02:06pm |
re: #1406 Varek Raith
Hmm, is my stealth still effective?
;)
Well, google confirms 5 mentions of you over there...lol
| 1427 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:02:13pm |
re: #1409 freetoken
The author of that piece doesn't explain how one impeaches a President for the actions of Congress, but I guess that would be expecting too much from them.
A cousin insisted that she read on the internet that "Obama's staff" introduced legislation that would sekritly take our guns, or something. (This was in the form of a mass email. I would ask her to take me off her list, but she occasionally sends pics of her cute kids.)
Anyway, I told her there was no such bill and explained that legislation can only be introduced by members of Congress. She then responded with some mini-rant about how he's always breaking the law so she wouldn't be surprised if he did, wocka wocka wocka.
I've stopped responding. Some are so far out there no reason can get through.
| 1428 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:02:48pm |
re: #1420 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, that's a great comparison, to Peiper.. Both of them really knew how to use and exploit mobility, too. Very good comparison-- it's odd when you find generals that seem to echo each other like that.
And yeah, Sherman was beyond vicious. He didn't care about inflicting pain, he just cared about breaking the spirit. I often thought Ender in Ender's game was kind of Sherman-esque; in many ways, Sherman took war to the next logical conclusion.
| 1429 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:02:53pm |
| 1430 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:04:15pm |
I'm bracing myself for a politically crazy weekend. I had previously predicted that the passage of healthcare reform might be a dangerous event but it seems the outrageous outrages have burned out the wingnuts. It probably won't be any more scary than the fishing ban or the Illuminati bailing out Greece. It'll be fun to see the Tea Party turnout on Saturday. Can they get more than 1,000 people to show up?
| 1431 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:04:17pm |
re: #1417 Killgore Trout
Heh, I'd say "no problem" except for the fact that it takes work to look at their crap and cut through it.
re: #1418 Obdicut
The rejection of data is a very difficult thing to get past. It's kind of cult-like.
I think it is more than cult-like. Some of the stuff written, such as the freeper rant I referenced, is laced with language that one finds in religious cults or clear anti-social behavior by marginally functioning people.
When one talks about rejecting all your family and friends because they think differently than you then you're walking the hairy edge.
| 1432 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:04:42pm |
re: #1424 austin_blue
True, logistics and strategy go to Longstreet. For aggressiveness and ability to disrupt the enemy in a single action, I'd take Forrest.
Longstreet and Marshall have always kind of reminded me of each other, speaking of similar generals.
| 1433 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:04:54pm |
re: #1409 freetoken
As one could tell by the links I've posted on this marathon thread I've turned most of my attention to the "culture wars" problem in our society.
Mostly I'm thinking of religion and science.
However it's more than that, as also commented by others here over the recent past, the ultra-right, true conservative, fundamentalist libertarian alliance/concert seem to be circling the wagons, so to speak.
Today the MoonieTimes ran an opinion piece: Impeach the president? (which is about the health care bill struggles) that has the wingnuts salivating all over the place, including freeperville of course.
The author of that piece doesn't explain how one impeaches a President for the actions of Congress, but I guess that would be expecting too much from them.
Anyway, over on freeperville the inmates are going crazy, and one of the long-time inmates wrote a screed that headlined a thread titled: "I'm Ready to Purge All Liberals from my Life (vanity) by TruthHound " in which the rabid writes that he is going to cut off family members, etc. Further he writes:
That is the writing of an emotionally (not just intellectually) challenged person.
The wingnuts really are going into cult mode, withdrawing into their own world. Outside data can't get in.
Outside supervision will not be allowed in. It's sociopathy is that of a religious zealot blinded by rage.
And its infected too much of our political system and decision making processes, IMO, to avoid detrimental effects.
Sweet post! The question is, what can the sane do about the wingnuts?
| 1434 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:04:55pm |
re: #1428 Obdicut
I'd say there's a difference in that sherman was just cold and vicious, whereas Forrest kinda always felt to me like an honest-to-god Psychopath.
| 1435 |
prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:05:50pm |
A speech for Alex Chilton on the floor of Congress today:
| 1436 |
MandyManners Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:06:17pm |
re: #1407 The Shadow Do
*backing away*
It pales in comparison to adultery. A woman can HPV from a cheating mate, which can lead to cancer. Death.
So, yeah. A bunch of shredded clothes is rather mild.
| 1437 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:06:52pm |
re: #1411 Obdicut
I think he'd simply lost the faith that the South could win, even by that point. I think he felt the diplomats had fucked up the chance for international support.
I'm not that conversant with that angle of it, though, that's just an impression I got from my grandpa, who was a real Civil War buff.
I think that is true, though he certainly saw that fight as his last great hope to reach an acceptable solution. He spent it all in that fight.
Damn shame. That stubborness cost so many young lives. For nothing.
| 1438 |
Obdicut Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:07:23pm |
re: #1434 windsagio
Oh, definitely. Sherman was vicious on a strategic level, Forrest was vicious in tactics.
Sherman had a rationale for what he did, and it wasn't a bad rationale-- just like Zhukov had a rationale for marching his men through mine fields; it would be fewer casualties in the end, vs. a frontal assault.
| 1439 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:07:37pm |
re: #1423 Spare O'Lake
Oh just quit it. Your last several posts have been devoted entirely to nothing but shit-stirring. You know it, everyone reading knows it. Post about something sensible or STFU.
| 1440 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:08:37pm |
re: #1423 Spare O'Lake
You were advised by your better half not to talk to me, Jimmah Carter. I think it would be better for you if you obey. I'll tell what I will do, though, if you insist I'll write a little song about you and Iceweasel if you ask me nicely, Jimmah Carter.
It's up to you, Jimmah Carter.
You know, that's just annoying of you.
Quit it. All you'll do is expose yourself as a down-ding hog.
Isn't that special?
| 1441 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:08:44pm |
re: #1423 Spare O'Lake
You were advised by your better half not to talk to me, Jimmah Carter. I think it would be better for you if you obey. I'll tell what I will do, though, if you insist I'll write a little song about you and Iceweasel if you ask me nicely, Jimmah Carter.
It's up to you, Jimmah Carter.
You have written a song about us? Is it called "The Ballad of the weird Jimmah/Ice obsession of the childish tosspot Spare O Lake" by any chance?
| 1442 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:02pm |
Hey...
The Sanity Inspector
Are you out there?
I have that picture you wanted to see.
Yo?
| 1443 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:04pm |
re: #1427 soap_man
wocka wocka wocka.
I hear by declare that this should be used whenever imparting the words of a wingnut or moonbat to reality based information.
As in "and then Geller began screeching wocka wocka wocka"...
Do I have a second?
| 1444 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:10pm |
re: #1430 Killgore Trout
I'm bracing myself for a politically crazy weekend. I had previously predicted that the passage of healthcare reform might be a dangerous event but it seems the outrageous outrages have burned out the wingnuts. It probably won't be any more scary than the fishing ban or the Illuminati bailing out Greece. It'll be fun to see the Tea Party turnout on Saturday. Can they get more than 1,000 people to show up?
Immigration march in Washington on Sunday. Hopefully the tea party is Saturday.
| 1445 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:14pm |
re: #1383 SanFranciscoZionist
Jimmah - how am i doing over *there*?
i know it's not been long...... but surely, if we have as few members as they say, then i'd be up there......
wouldn't i?
*hi guys*
| 1446 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:17pm |
re: #1430 Killgore Trout
I'm bracing myself for a politically crazy weekend. I had previously predicted that the passage of healthcare reform might be a dangerous event but it seems the outrageous outrages have burned out the wingnuts. It probably won't be any more scary than the fishing ban or the Illuminati bailing out Greece. It'll be fun to see the Tea Party turnout on Saturday. Can they get more than 1,000 people to show up?
I think it's going to be a completely crazy weekend. If there is a vote on Sunday, and especially if it passes, there will be a perfect storm of wingnuttery and wailing all next week, imo.
| 1447 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:41pm |
re: #1442 Walter L. Newton
not the assless chaps, please god not the assless chaps........
| 1448 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:41pm |
re: #1402 Dark_Falcon
General Chamberlain was truly one the great Union heroes of the war. It's remarkable that he had been a College professor with no military background before the war. He ended as a brevet Major General with permanent rank of Brigadier General. He was also one the longest lived Civil War heroes, living till 1915.
I named a Maine Coon Cat after him once.
He was a professor of Classics, to be precise. And precise he was. It shows in his writing and it showed in his soldiering. When the war was over, he return to his classroom at Bowdoin, after serving as governor for four terms. And when he finally died at the age 85 (in 1914, not '15, so he missed seeing the start of WWI), it was from lingering effects of his Civil War wounds.
One of the greatest sons of Maine ever.
| 1449 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:09:51pm |
re: #1443 webevintage
I hear by declare that this should be used whenever imparting the words of a wingnut or moonbat to reality based information.
As in "and then Geller began screeching wocka wocka wocka"...
Do I have a second?
I second it. Wocka wocka.
| 1450 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:10:10pm |
good evening. Wow, 1400 comments. I guess we're separating the men from the boys now, or rather, the Firefox/Chrome users from the Internet Explorer tools
| 1451 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:10:32pm |
re: #1430 Killgore Trout
...it seems the outrageous outrages have burned out the wingnuts.
They're OD-ing on adrenaline and whatever neurotransmitters are released during fear/anger. It looks like they're running out of words too (what comes after "impeach"?)
| 1452 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:10:34pm |
re: #1441 Jimmah
You have written a song about us? Is it called "The Ballad of the weird Jimmah/Ice obsession of the childish tosspot Spare O Lake" by any chance?
Heh.
| 1453 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:10:40pm |
re: #1444 Stanley Sea
Immigration march in Washington on Sunday. Hopefully the tea party is Saturday.
Or, hell, they can merge together into one big yellin', flag wavin', slogan chantin' mob. I'd pay to see that.
| 1454 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:11:00pm |
| 1455 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:11:18pm |
re: #1409 freetoken
Maybe we can elect a better public next time.
| 1456 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:11:28pm |
re: #1446 iceweasel
I think it's going to be a completely crazy weekend. If there is a vote on Sunday, and especially if it passes, there will be a perfect storm of wingnuttery and wailing all next week, imo.
Yeah. It's going to be tense in here.
It's going to be off the charts on some Internet forums I can think of.
| 1457 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:11:36pm |
re: #1423 Spare O'Lake
You were advised by your better half not to talk to me, Jimmah Carter. I think it would be better for you if you obey. I'll tell what I will do, though, if you insist I'll write a little song about you and Iceweasel if you ask me nicely, Jimmah Carter.
It's up to you, Jimmah Carter.
You know that Jimmah didn't select that nic to denote "Rabbit Bait" Carter. And your threat to come up with a song sounds like something buzzsawmonkey would. And what's more, you've just reached Level 5:
| 1458 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:11:39pm |
re: #1447 wozzablog
not the assless chaps, please god not the assless chaps...
The Sanity Inspector wanted to see a picture of the mountain meadow that is a mile below my house. I took a picture today, I was going to link The Sanity Inspector to it.
| 1459 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:11:58pm |
re: #1450 cliffster
good evening. Wow, 1400 comments. I guess we're separating the men from the boys now, or rather, the Firefox/Chrome users from the Internet Explorer tools
Actually, I think we are separating the Macs running Safari from the PCs running anything.
| 1460 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:12:07pm |
re: #1430 Killgore Trout
It'll be fun to see the Tea Party turnout on Saturday. Can they get more than 1,000 people to show up?
Well, it is the weekend and most of them don't have service jobs or have to work and you know Dick Army will have the buses all gassed up.
| 1461 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:12:18pm |
re: #1455 The Sanity Inspector
Maybe we can elect a better public next time.
Yo... I got the picture for you.
| 1462 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:12:45pm |
| 1463 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:12:52pm |
re: #1436 MandyManners
It pales in comparison to adultery. A woman can HPV from a cheating mate, which can lead to cancer. Death.
So, yeah. A bunch of shredded clothes is rather mild.
I hear you, Mandy. I really do.
In my case, nothing much hurt but my pride.
| 1464 |
jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:12:54pm |
re: #1447 wozzablog
Wikipedia:
The word chaps is a clip of chaparejos or chaparreras, which are Mexican Spanish words for this garment, ultimately derived from Spanish chaparro, one sense of which is a low growing thicket—difficult to ride through without getting your ass completely stickered.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 1466 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:03pm |
re: #1441 Jimmah
You have written a song about us? Is it called "The Ballad of the weird Jimmah/Ice obsession of the childish tosspot Spare O Lake" by any chance?
What does "tosspot" mean? I'm not familiar with the term.
| 1467 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:04pm |
re: #1445 wozzablog
Jimmah - how am i doing over *there*?
i know it's not been long... but surely, if we have as few members as they say, then i'd be up there...
wouldn't i?
*hi guys*
2 menshies so far, wozza!
Note - if you want to gauge the talker level of obsession with any given poster, just google the nick and the 'word' (for want of a better term) 'blogmocracy'.
| 1468 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:11pm |
| 1469 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:17pm |
re: #1460 webevintage
Well, it is the weekend and most of them don't have service jobs or have to work and you know Dick Army will have the buses all gassed up.
And hell, a protest is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
| 1471 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:28pm |
re: #1455 The Sanity Inspector
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
I guess in this case it would be nut-tree.
I've yet to see one of their little nontroversies/outrages that isn't something recycled from the last 60 years of marginalized Americana.
| 1472 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:40pm |
Funeral of Hiram Cronk, age 105, thought to be the last surviving veteran of the War of 1812.
[Link: memory.loc.gov...]
| 1473 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:48pm |
re: #1462 windsagio
By the way, I love the term 'tosspot'.
I know, how hopelessly american of me :P
It is a good word.
So is wanker.
| 1474 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:49pm |
re: #1459 austin_blue
Actually, I think we are separating the Macs running Safari from the PCs running anything.
Mac users are a bunch of pretentious pseudo-intellectuals. Oh wait, I'm sorry, did I inadvertently insult you? ;)
| 1475 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:13:50pm |
re: #1448 Cato the Elder
I named a Maine Coon Cat after him once.
He was a professor of Classics, to be precise. And precise he was. It shows in his writing and it showed in his soldiering. When the war was over, he return to his classroom at Bowdoin, after serving as governor for four terms. And when he finally died at the age 85 (in 1914, not '15, so he missed seeing the start of WWI), it was from lingering effects of his Civil War wounds.
One of the greatest sons of Maine ever.
I'd gotten incorrect data on when he died. Please excuse me.
| 1476 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:14:13pm |
re: #1458 Walter L. Newton
The Sanity Inspector wanted to see a picture of the mountain meadow that is a mile below my house. I took a picture today, I was going to link The Sanity Inspector to it.
I'm parachute commenting, please post the link again if you did already.
| 1477 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:14:18pm |
re: #1451 freetoken
They're OD-ing on adrenaline and whatever neurotransmitters are released during fear/anger. It looks like they're running out of words too (what comes after "impeach"?)
Self Immolation?
I kid. I do think the rhetoric is going to ratchet up more into the "you're going to hell!" realm.
| 1478 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:14:55pm |
re: #1476 The Sanity Inspector
I'm parachute commenting, please post the link again if you did already.
I hadn't yet... here it is...
| 1479 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:14:56pm |
| 1480 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:14:57pm |
re: #1472 The Sanity Inspector
Funeral of Hiram Cronk, age 105, thought to be the last surviving veteran of the War of 1812.
[Link: memory.loc.gov...]
Big-ass file, btw; 33 mb.
| 1481 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:15:01pm |
| 1482 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:15:34pm |
| 1483 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:15:54pm |
re: #1459 austin_blue
Actually, I think we are separating the Macs running Safari from the PCs running anything.
Oh no, this PC is hanging in just fine! (please no jinx)
| 1484 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:16:16pm |
| 1485 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:16:59pm |
re: #1456 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. It's going to be tense in here.
It's going to be off the charts on some Internet forums I can think of.
Given the CBO's report, I think it'll pass the House and get shuttled back to the Senate. In other words, Health Care Reform is going through.
Keep in mind, my wife has HC at her job and I've got HC at mine. We pay *nothing* except for what we would have made all these years in increased salaries if our employers hadn't been paying more and more each for premiums.
I shouldn't have a dog in this hunt, but I'm happy this is going through.
| 1486 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:17:08pm |
re: #1438 Obdicut
Oh, definitely. Sherman was vicious on a strategic level, Forrest was vicious in tactics.
Sherman had a rationale for what he did, and it wasn't a bad rationale-- just like Zhukov had a rationale for marching his men through mine fields; it would be fewer casualties in the end, vs. a frontal assault.
Well, Forrest did think his ruthlessness would terrify his Union opponents. That worked sometimes, but not when he met foes like Benjamin Grierson, who were not afraid and were able to maneuver their own forces effectively.
| 1488 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:17:51pm |
| 1489 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:18:51pm |
re: #1478 Walter L. Newton
I hadn't yet... here it is...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Whoah! My sinuses are clearing up just looking at all that cold, crisp mountain air! Thanks. Reminds me somewhat of one of the prettiest drives I ever went on. Up state Hwy 139 from Grand Junction to Dinosaur, CO.
| 1490 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:18:52pm |
| 1491 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:18:54pm |
re: #1466 Dark_Falcon
What does "tosspot" mean? I'm not familiar with the term.
Someone who can't even get it up to be a tosser anymore.
| 1492 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:18:59pm |
re: #1473 webevintage
It is a good word.
So is wanker.
Wanker is great. There's also this great word from the libosphere, employed in reference to wingnut onehanded rage typing while furiously fapping:
wankerjack:
A small flag kept handy for personal hygiene. The term is a portmanteau of ‘wankerchief’ and ‘Union Jack’ that also suggests Cracker Jack and its guarantee to contain ‘a secret toy surprise.’ The song Take Me Out to the Ball Game gains great potential from it, with its well-known richness in terms such as ‘ball’ and ‘root,’ and the unresolved problem created by the homonymy between ‘peanuts’ and the formal term for the male apparatus. “Buy me some penis and crack, oh Jack” has never been more than a temporary patch, and its age has been apparent ever since tweakers replaced crackheads as the crazed drug fiends of first metaphorical resort
| 1495 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:20:14pm |
re: #1487 prairiefire
Hurray for Macs running Safari!
I've always wondered what the draw was. My wife swears by them. But I've never put the time into figuring it out. To me, they are twice as expensive, and the mouse only has one button (yes, that last one is fixed now). One of these days I'll buy one and figure out what all the fuss is about.
| 1496 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:20:37pm |
re: #1467 Jimmah
2 menshies so far, wozza!
Note - if you want to gauge the talker level of obsession with any given poster, just google the nick and the 'word' (for want of a better term) 'blogmocracy'.
Or this: your keyword and site:theblogmocracy dot com
| 1497 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:20:52pm |
| 1499 |
freetoken Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:21:04pm |
re: #1485 austin_blue
Whatever passes may well be less than ideal. It may even have some negative consequences. If only our political shenanigans didn't obscure any real analysis and debate that should have happened. Fear and demagoguery are not good substitutes for clear analysis and honest debates.
| 1500 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:21:20pm |
re: #1475 Dark_Falcon
I'd gotten incorrect data on when he died. Please excuse me.
Not at all. I just thought it interesting that he almost lived to see the Next Big Thing.
Something tells me he would have tried to enlist.
| 1501 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:22:20pm |
re: #1474 cliffster
Mac users are a bunch of pretentious pseudo-intellectuals. Oh wait, I'm sorry, did I inadvertently insult you? ;)
Dude. Cheap ass Mac Mini with the last of the Motorola chips. No viruses, no huhu, no crap Microsoft. Bulletproof OpSys. Pretentious? No. Practical. Ideal Web cruiser.
| 1502 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:22:33pm |
re: #1416 Alouette
Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie recorded the "Ballad of Jesse James" which portrayed the scumbag killer as a hero. I guess they saw him as a proletariat hero of the people, a'robbin' banks and a'killin' The Man
And breakin' Sandra's heart. The bastard.
| 1503 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:22:35pm |
re: #1492 iceweasel
I can never go to a baseball game again, without accidentally singing that!!!!
| 1504 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:22:43pm |
re: #1441 Jimmah
You have written a song about us? Is it called "The Ballad of the weird Jimmah/Ice obsession of the childish tosspot Spare O Lake" by any chance?
No I haven't, Jimmah Carter. But remember to ask nicely if you want one, Jimmah Carter. Just say the word.
| 1505 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:23:30pm |
re: #1496 The Sanity Inspector
Or this: your keyword and site:theblogmocracy dot com
I'm a little surprised to find myself mentioned there. Maybe it's some kind of LGF rite of passage.
| 1506 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:23:42pm |
| 1507 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:23:50pm |
re: #1489 The Sanity Inspector
Whoah! My sinuses are clearing up just looking at all that cold, crisp mountain air! Thanks. Reminds me somewhat of one of the prettiest drives I ever went on. Up state Hwy 139 from Grand Junction to Dinosaur, CO.
I'm basically about 36 miles west of downtown Denver.
| 1508 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:24:34pm |
Hey, Cato, would the title "Supreme Imperator" be redundant?
| 1509 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:24:38pm |
re: #1504 Spare O'Lake
No I haven't, Jimmah Carter. But remember to ask nicely if you want one, Jimmah Carter. Just say the word.
Sigh. Old, tired, boogeyman Jimmy Carter.
Sigh.
| 1510 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:24:47pm |
re: #1467 Jimmah
2 menshies so far, wozza!
Note - if you want to gauge the talker level of obsession with any given poster, just google the nick and the 'word' (for want of a better term) 'blogmocracy'.
They admire an offensive avatar that I once used.
| 1511 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:25:09pm |
| 1512 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:25:21pm |
re: #1504 Spare O'Lake
At this point, since you're in full troll mode anyways, I feel relatively safe saying this.
You are of utterly no value to this blog, and in fact only make it worse, in almost every thing you do on here. To paraphrase a famous man, "The truth is not in you"
There, now I feel better.
| 1513 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:25:30pm |
re: #1507 Walter L. Newton
I peeked. It looks nice!!
| 1514 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:25:56pm |
re: #1478 Walter L. Newton
I hadn't yet... here it is...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Thanks for the photo, that is some beautiful country up there. I'd like to see it someday.
| 1515 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:26:07pm |
re: #1479 webevintage
So say we all?
Huhzah!!! I just copyrighted it! Anytime it is stated here, I get a nickel in royalties.
Early retirement here I come!
| 1516 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:26:16pm |
re: #1501 austin_blue
Dude. Cheap ass Mac Mini with the last of the Motorola chips. No viruses, no huhu, no crap Microsoft. Bulletproof OpSys. Pretentious? No. Practical. Ideal Web cruiser.
Built on NeXT-flavored unix. End of discussion, I know. Still, Windows works for me as a mudane-task platform. I need bulletproof for servers, and I'm using solaris for that, not Mac. For writing documents, Windows works just fine.
| 1517 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:26:44pm |
re: #1494 Jimmah
That fits too, for a second there I really thought it meant any self-appointed Groom of the Stool.
Because all he's doing is thread-shitting, yet again.
| 1518 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:26:50pm |
re: #1507 Walter L. Newton
spent a very pleasent two and a half weeks in Denver/Boulder/Westminster/Estes Park a month or so back.
Good times.
| 1519 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:27:12pm |
re: #1512 windsagio
At this point, since you're in full troll mode anyways, I feel relatively safe saying this.
You are of utterly no value to this blog, and in fact only make it worse, in almost every thing you do on here. To paraphrase a famous man, "The truth is not in you"There, now I feel better.
The same could be said of you, but neither of us have the right to make that determination.
| 1520 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:27:20pm |
re: #1516 cliffster
I just have a problem with the 'hey we're apple people will pay it anyways' surcharge >>
| 1521 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:27:36pm |
re: #1459 austin_blue
Actually, I think we are separating the Macs running Safari from the PCs running anything.
My ancient single core Windows XP tablet PC I picked up for less than a used Mac Mini still runs this thread fine. :D
Hay you could try it with your Mac Tablet PC OH WAIT THAY DON'T EXIST HAR HAR
(I kid I kid, sorta. Tell Apple to start taking gamers seriously :D )
| 1522 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:27:38pm |
re: #1513 Stanley Sea
I peeked. It looks nice!!
About 3 miles north, going up the meadow, that turns into a tighter terrain, what they call a gulch... a million years from now that gulch may be a canyon.
| 1523 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:27:55pm |
re: #1471 freetoken
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
I guess in this case it would be nut-tree.
I've yet to see one of their little nontroversies/outrages that isn't something recycled from the last 60 years of marginalized Americana.
I've seen quite a lot of reruns myself over the years, from the opposite side of the aisle.
A work settles nothing, just as the labor of a whole generation settles nothing. Sons, and the morrow, always start afresh.
-- Cesare Pavese, This Business of Living: Diaries 1933-35
| 1524 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:28:21pm |
re: #1512 windsagio
At this point, since you're in full troll mode anyways, I feel relatively safe saying this.
You are of utterly no value to this blog, and in fact only make it worse, in almost every thing you do on here. To paraphrase a famous man, "The truth is not in you"
There, now I feel better.
I like Spare. I don't know why he does this sort of thing. But there are other people on this blog that I like and that do weird stalking stuff. Whatever.
| 1525 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:28:31pm |
re: #1519 Bagua
I vote for the color commentator.
| 1526 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:28:33pm |
re: #1514 Bagua
Thanks for the photo, that is some beautiful country up there. I'd like to see it someday.
Any time your in the neighborhood, you have a private room and bath if you need it.
Hell, I even let Cato stay here. I'm not picky.
| 1527 |
The Left Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:28:36pm |
re: #1497 soap_man
I'm gonna start using that!
Tosspot is a British slang insult, which can mean, depending on the context, a drunkard, a masturbator, or an objectionable person.
Originally drunkard, but:
This meaning is losing currency, as tosspot is now often used synonymously with 'tosser' (or 'wanker') to mean literally a man who masturbates ('tosses' his penis), or by extension somebody who is obnoxious, irritating or ridiculous
| 1528 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:28:58pm |
re: #1520 windsagio
I just have a problem with the 'hey we're apple people will pay it anyways' surcharge >>
exactly
| 1529 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:29:04pm |
| 1530 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:29:30pm |
re: #1457 Dark_Falcon
You know that Jimmah didn't select that nic to denote "Rabbit Bait" Carter.
AFAIK "Jimmah" was coined here as a derogatory reference to Jimmy Carter.
| 1532 |
webevintage Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:29:53pm |
re: #1478 Walter L. Newton
I hadn't yet... here it is...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
wow.
My jelousy, it run-ith over.
| 1533 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:29:57pm |
re: #1527 iceweasel
Originally drunkard, but:
This meaning is losing currency, as tosspot is now often used synonymously with 'tosser' (or 'wanker') to mean literally a man who masturbates ('tosses' his penis), or by extension somebody who is obnoxious, irritating or ridiculous
Even more reason to use it!
| 1534 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:30:16pm |
| 1535 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:30:22pm |
re: #1516 cliffster
Built on NeXT-flavored unix. End of discussion, I know. Still, Windows works for me as a mudane-task platform. I need bulletproof for servers, and I'm using solaris for that, not Mac. For writing documents, Windows works just fine.
I have completely non-mundane tasks I need to perform that Windows is the only game in town for. ;-)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:31:09pm |
Why do British people insist on using made-up words for things? Like "boot" and "bonnet". That's just silly. Why can't they use the real words.. like trunk and hood.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:31:23pm |
re: #1532 webevintage
wow.
My jelousy, it run-ith over.
Well, we are expecting more than a foot of snow in the next 24 hours, you may want to reconsider the jealousy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:31:45pm |
re: #1518 wozzablog
spent a very pleasent two and a half weeks in Denver/Boulder/Westminster/Estes Park a month or so back.
Good times.
I went to Boulder and Denver for the Great American beer festival. Really nice towns, though I don't think I'd want to live there.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:31:53pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:32:23pm |
re: #1537 cliffster
Why do British people insist on using made-up words for things? Like "boot" and "bonnet". That's just silly. Why can't they use the real words.. like trunk and hood.
I've gotten so used to Top Gear that i've started saying "Brake Horsepower" and "Torques".
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:32:30pm |
re: #1516 cliffster
Built on NeXT-flavored unix. End of discussion, I know. Still, Windows works for me as a mudane-task platform. I need bulletproof for servers, and I'm using solaris for that, not Mac. For writing documents, Windows works just fine.
Agreed. But as an e-mail/web box, this little thing is killer bee. Negative on the zombie box potential, no worries. I also use it as a multi-media server in the house. Nice.
| 1543 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:32:49pm |
re: #1540 windsagio
/dead horse
AND THEY COST 3x AS MUCH!!!
//dead horse.
I can still build a cheaper PC than the equivalent Mac.
:P
| 1544 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:32:49pm |
re: #1504 Spare O'Lake
No I haven't, Jimmah Carter. But remember to ask nicely if you want one, Jimmah Carter. Just say the word.
Are you forgetting that I'm here in the room? I write songs, ditties, limericks, odes, distichs, doggerel, alexandrines, epithalamia, lays, Spottverse, sottisses, ranns, Juvenalia, satires, and mocking lyrics of all types, on demand or at whim, with or without payment, at the drop of a pair of chance words.
Watch yourself.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:15pm |
re: #1526 Walter L. Newton
Any time your in the neighborhood, you have a private room and bath if you need it.
Hell, I even let Cato stay here. I'm not picky.
Much obliged! And likewise, mi casa su casa should you have reason to visit my neck of the woods.
| 1546 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:16pm |
re: #1537 cliffster
Why do British people insist on using made-up words for things? Like "boot" and "bonnet". That's just silly. Why can't they use the real words.. like trunk and hood.
Water closet. What the fuck is that?
| 1547 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:36pm |
re: #1512 windsagio
At this point, since you're in full troll mode anyways, I feel relatively safe saying this.
You are of utterly no value to this blog, and in fact only make it worse, in almost every thing you do on here. To paraphrase a famous man, "The truth is not in you"
There, now I feel better.
Agreed. If Spare has any use here at all, it's in this capacity:
| 1548 |
jaunte Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:39pm |
"You should have seen him on the streets;
when he saw some old beldame deep in drink, how he cozened her.
Good day to you, Madame Tosspot,
and would you like a little glass of something before you take your rest?
Come with me to my house and you shall be my guest."
The Body Snatcher 1945, Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi.
| 1549 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:40pm |
re: #1508 Varek Raith
Hey, Cato, would the title "Supreme Imperator" be redundant?
Not necessarily, but in Rome the "supreme" part would be understood.
| 1550 |
prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:49pm |
re: #1495 cliffster
The beauty is in the simplicity. Photos? I click on the Photo icon. Itunes to play CDs or order music. Bookmarks are easy, opening up 5 different tabs and refreshing each at the same time is easy. The little video camera at the top is easy to use so my daughter can conduct surveillance on me. Use the mouse so I can cut and paste web addresses to drop for links on LGF is easy. The only difficult parts are when I have to rely on the Windows app my husband installed so I can read certain emails from the kids' schools.
| 1551 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:50pm |
| 1552 |
ozbloke Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:55pm |
Not sure whether my link is kosher, please delete if necessary.
A republican candidate for Secretary of State for California.
CA-SoS: Birther queen Orly Taitz to challenge Secretary Debra Bowen
Oh dear...
| 1553 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:33:58pm |
re: #1540 windsagio
/dead horse
AND THEY COST 3x AS MUCH!!!
//dead horse.
heeheeheehee
Nobody will EVER accuse me of being a fucking computer elitist! :D I have a refurb Dell laptop covered with oil paint smudges focking a Cintiq with about 40 dead pixels and ghosting from my art applications, and a beat up used Tablet PC I got off ebay for about the cost of a set of tires for my car.
| 1554 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:34:42pm |
re: #1549 Cato the Elder
Not necessarily, but in Rome the "supreme" part would be understood.
Thanks.
| 1555 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:34:44pm |
No one can be as calculatedly rude as the British, which amazes Americans, who do not understand studied insult and can only offer abuse as a substitute.
-- Paul Gallico
| 1556 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:34:57pm |
| 1557 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:35:14pm |
re: #1537 cliffster
Why do British people insist on using made-up words for things? Like "boot" and "bonnet". That's just silly. Why can't they use the real words.. like trunk and hood.
The other day, my boss told me a co-worker was making fun of internal messages for excessive comma use. My boss told she learned the Queen's English, where they use commas as liberally as I do. Honestly, I wasn't sure if it was a compliment, or not, but it probably was, because she is a stickler for English.
| 1558 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:35:39pm |
re: #1541 WindUpBird
I've gotten so used to Top Gear that i've started saying "Brake Horsepower" and "Torques".
What colour are the cheques you write?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:36:40pm |
re: #1537 cliffster
Why do British people insist on using made-up words for things? Like "boot" and "bonnet". That's just silly. Why can't they use the real words.. like trunk and hood.
There are British-American dictionaries out there, you know. In Great Britain, a "truck" is a "lorry", an "elevator" is a "lift", and "O. J. Simpson" is a "double murderer."
| 1560 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:36:48pm |
re: #1539 WindUpBird
Boulder had some pretty good coffee. The beer was heaven and i adored the climate.
Denver was navigable by public transit - albeit semi regularly. Was 40 mins on the bus from down town - i really rather liked it.
The climate was much to my liking - i can't abide hot weather - 300 days of sun & reasonable (i,e low) temps.....
Colour me there :-)
My better half is in Tx.... far too hot down there in the summer for me. Really really not good.
| 1561 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:36:49pm |
re: #1552 ozbloke
Not sure whether my link is kosher, please delete if necessary.
A republican candidate for Secretary of State for California.
CA-SoS: Birther queen Orly Taitz to challenge Secretary Debra Bowen
Oh dear...
Oh dear is right! But remember the Gov. race of past years....Mary Carey et al. This falls into that category.
| 1562 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:36:53pm |
re: #1558 cliffster
What colour are the cheques you write?
I think they're that totally unremarkable blue-grey-but-mostly-grey color, but I haven't written one in two months because I do everything with my card.
| 1563 |
BaseballMom57 Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:37:00pm |
re: #1291 HoosierHoops
No kidding. Did you see the photos of that ... woman? She is beyond scary.
| 1564 |
soap_man Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:37:06pm |
re: #1558 cliffster
What colour are the cheques you write?
My fave is "scheme" instead of "plan." Makes everything sound so mischievous.
| 1566 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:38:00pm |
re: #1560 wozzablog
Boulder had some pretty good coffee. The beer was heaven and i adored the climate.
Denver was navigable by public transit - albeit semi regularly. Was 40 mins on the bus from down town - i really rather liked it.
The climate was much to my liking - i can't abide hot weather - 300 days of sun & reasonable (i,e low) temps...
Colour me there :-)
My better half is in Tx... far too hot down there in the summer for me. Really really not good.
I still regret not hitting the New Belgium brewery when i was there! MOAR TRIPPEL
| 1567 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:38:02pm |
re: #1555 The Sanity Inspector
I should, i guess, at somepoint be insulting then........... but only wittily.
Damn.
| 1568 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:38:36pm |
re: #1564 soap_man
My fave is "scheme" instead of "plan." Makes everything sound so mischievous.
I like "dodgy". Also, the way some british refer to something they don't like as "pants".
| 1569 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:38:48pm |
re: #1562 WindUpBird
I think they're that totally unremarkable blue-grey-but-mostly-grey color, but I haven't written one in two months because I do everything with my card.
I had to write a check the other day to pay for something. I hadn't written a check in something like 10 years. Literally. I seriously had to think.. did I do this right?
| 1571 |
prairiefire Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:39:36pm |
re: #1563 BaseballMom57
He is such a nasty boy. I hope Sandra is being screened for Hep. C, B, etc.
My goodness, how awful.
| 1572 |
Aye Pod Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:39:44pm |
re: #1517 goddamnedfrank
That fits too, for a second there I really thought it meant any self-appointed Groom of the Stool.
Because all he's doing is thread-shitting, yet again.
Hah. Excellent - I'd forgotten all about that slightly sordid aspect of British tradition. "Groom O' Stool" - has a ring to it, that one does!
| 1573 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:39:54pm |
re: #1556 Bagua
Bathroom.
Or more accurately: Toilet, as water-closet differentiated from the room with the bath tub, though nowadays bathroom is used in place of toilet.
| 1574 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:40:54pm |
re: #1573 Bagua
Or more accurately: Toilet, as water-closet differentiated from the room with the bath tub, though nowadays bathroom is used in place of toilet.
I LOVE bidets... if there is one thing I look forward to when I go to Europe, it's having a room with a bidet. What a great idea.
| 1575 |
ozbloke Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:41:09pm |
re: #1561 Stanley Sea
Thanks, I am not at all familiar, but I will use some google foo to get up to speed.
Heres hoping other Republicians will not come out and support her.
Thanks.
| 1576 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:41:11pm |
re: #1559 The Sanity Inspector
There are British-American dictionaries out there, you know. In Great Britain, a "truck" is a "lorry", an "elevator" is a "lift", and "O. J. Simpson" is a "double murderer."
that shit was funny. Please don't make me laugh like an idiot and make my wife think I'm crazy.
| 1577 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:41:23pm |
re: #1559 The Sanity Inspector
You say tomayto...... we say tomato, we say potato, you say potayto........... you say 'erb and we say Herb, because theres an 'effin H in it ;-)
(with apologies to eddie izzard)
| 1578 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:42:05pm |
re: #1574 Walter L. Newton
I LOVE bidets... if there is one thing I look forward to when I go to Europe, it's having a room with a bidet. What a great idea.
Yes, so thoughtful of the French to include a foot bath for our use.
| 1579 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:42:06pm |
re: #1575 ozbloke
Thanks, I am not at all familiar, but I will use some google foo to get up to speed.
Heres hoping other Republicians will not come out and support her.
Thanks.
I wouldnt worry, I think that California porn actress with the pink Vette has more of a chance of being elected.
| 1580 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:42:23pm |
re: #1569 cliffster
I had to write a check the other day to pay for something. I hadn't written a check in something like 10 years. Literally. I seriously had to think.. did I do this right?
The problem is, if the power goes out for an extended period of time, cards won't work, you'll need the checks.
I think of these situations sometimes.
| 1581 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:42:45pm |
re: #1570 windsagio
Best.word.ever.
Used to be a club night called "Twee As F*ck" at my fave venue.......
80's pop, 90's indie, electro and even some hair metal...... and free cupcakes........i mean CAEK............ FREEE
| 1582 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:43:03pm |
re: #1519 Bagua
Bagua, I honestly don't recommend coming to Spare's defense tonight. He's getting gang tackled but he is earning it through blind hostility. Let him get the whipping he needs, support just makes him think he's right.
| 1584 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:43:25pm |
| 1586 |
Varek Raith Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:44:09pm |
re: #1582 Dark_Falcon
Bagua, I honestly don't recommend coming to Spare's defense tonight. He's getting gang tackled but he is earning it through blind hostility. Let him get the whipping he needs, support just makes him think he's right.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
| 1587 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:44:29pm |
re: #1580 Stanley Sea
The problem is, if the power goes out for an extended period of time, cards won't work, you'll need the checks.
I think of these situations sometimes.
yeah, but if the power goes out, doens't that kill the electronic banking network that the checks draw from anyway? :D
| 1588 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:44:51pm |
| 1589 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:45:34pm |
re: #1559 The Sanity Inspector
There are British-American dictionaries out there, you know. In Great Britain, a "truck" is a "lorry", an "elevator" is a "lift", and "O. J. Simpson" is a "double murderer."
Loves it!
| 1590 |
windsagio Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:46:03pm |
re: #1587 WindUpBird
I don't like checks because the few times I try to use them at stores (usually 'cuz I broke my card again, physically), everyone looks at me like I'm the devil.
| 1591 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:46:13pm |
re: #1544 Cato the Elder
Are you forgetting that I'm here in the room? I write songs, ditties, limericks, odes, distichs, doggerel, alexandrines, epithalamia, lays, Spottverse, sottisses, ranns, Juvenalia, satires, and mocking lyrics of all types, on demand or at whim, with or without payment, at the drop of a pair of chance words.
Watch yourself.
Why yes, I did forget you were here. I don't think I will be commissioned for the song but if I am I'll keep you in mind.
| 1592 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:46:15pm |
re: #1581 wozzablog
Best.word.ever.
Used to be a club night called "Twee As F*ck" at my fave venue...
80's pop, 90's indie, electro and even some hair metal... and free cupcakes...i mean CAEK... FREEE
I'm guessing a lot of Enuff Z'Nuff, Cinderella, and Pretty Boy Floyd!
(yes I am sure I am the only person on LGF to ever bring up Pretty Boy Floyd)
| 1593 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:46:35pm |
re: #1580 Stanley Sea
The problem is, if the power goes out for an extended period of time, cards won't work, you'll need the checks.
I think of these situations sometimes.
Me too. I've got a stash that will keep the cliffster family fed and watered for around 3 months if things get weird.
| 1594 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:47:12pm |
re: #1567 wozzablog
I should, i guess, at somepoint be insulting then... but only wittily.
Damn.
Man up. I'm an aficionado of the best, from Shakespeare right down to A.A. Gill.
| 1595 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:47:28pm |
re: #1593 cliffster
Me too. I've got a stash that will keep the cliffster family fed and watered for around 3 months if things get weird.
I've got a stash, but if you eat it, things WILL get weird
| 1598 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:47:50pm |
re: #1586 Varek Raith
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Sometimes when some is acting foolishly, nothing but some form of whipping is going to make them stop.
| 1599 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:47:57pm |
O, Sparrowlake tho't
He could toss pot for pot
With the likes of Sir Jim and his Weasel.
Then along came a man
With a mean, salty rann
And the tosser got pulled by his peezle.
Copyright 2010 Cato the Skald
| 1603 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:48:22pm |
re: #1598 Dark_Falcon
ze cooler..... 8 veeks............
| 1604 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:49:10pm |
re: #1599 Cato the Elder
O, Sparrowlake tho't
He could toss pot for pot
With the likes of Sir Jim and his Weasel.Then along came a man
With a mean, salty rann
And the tosser got pulled by his peezle.Copyright 2010 Cato the Skald
Bravo!
| 1605 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:49:43pm |
re: #1595 WindUpBird
I've got a stash, but if you eat it, things WILL get weird
Ahh...fungi makes one a fun guy. If I was independently wealthy, I'd take mushrooms once a week...at least. Where I really enjoy them is at professional baseball games. I put a Dead show on my mp3 player, tune in, and trip on the spectacle...fuckin' good times.
| 1606 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:49:51pm |
re: #1600 wozzablog
a little bit of everything.
I'd be in heaven if they had a whole bunch of 80's darkwave, pop, and hair rock :D This Corrosion segueing into Think by InSoc segueing into some Hanoi Rocks...
| 1607 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:50:06pm |
| 1608 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:50:25pm |
| 1609 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:50:30pm |
re: #1582 Dark_Falcon
Bagua, I honestly don't recommend coming to Spare's defense tonight. He's getting gang tackled but he is earning it through blind hostility. Let him get the whipping he needs, support just makes him think he's right.
I like Spare, and I absolutely oppose what Windsagio said: You are of utterly no value to this blog. That is overtly hostile and I disagree strongly.
I also do not care much for "gang tackled" as an occurrence, especially when applied to a fellow commenter on this forum.
| 1610 |
darthstar Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:51:17pm |
re: #1607 The Shadow Do
Only the Brits. Euphemism for crapper, methinks.
Actually, the Brits call it "the toilet"...truth in advertising. When in England, just ask "Where is the toilet?"
| 1611 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:51:24pm |
re: #1609 Bagua
I like Spare, and I absolutely oppose what Windsagio said: You are of utterly no value to this blog. That is overtly hostile and I disagree strongly.
I also do not care much for "gang tackled" as an occurrence, especially when applied to a fellow commenter on this forum.
But you're OK with scalding skaldic verse, I hope?
| 1612 |
windhorse Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:51:30pm |
water closet is a term still used widely in the marine field..... all ships have them....
| 1613 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:51:40pm |
re: #1607 The Shadow Do
Only the Brits. Euphemism for crapper, methinks.
As is bathroom.
It's a shitter.
| 1614 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:52:04pm |
re: #1606 WindUpBird
My friend - i used to attend that sort of place.
A band of merry brothers with long hair and beer, leather trousers/ripped jeans and biker jackets.
And women.
I miss 8 years ago.
| 1615 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:52:34pm |
re: #1610 darthstar
Actually, the Brits call it "the toilet"...truth in advertising. When in England, just ask "Where is the toilet?"
But beware in Scotland. You might get the "Trainspotting" treatment.
| 1616 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:52:53pm |
re: #1609 Bagua
I like Spare, and I absolutely oppose what Windsagio said: You are of utterly no value to this blog. That is overtly hostile and I disagree strongly.
I also do not care much for "gang tackled" as an occurrence, especially when applied to a fellow commenter on this forum.
Well, I will agree that Spare has value. I'm also not a fan of gang tackles myself. But sometimes they are the only way. He's been blindly hostile, and that needs to stop.
| 1617 |
cliffster Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:53:15pm |
back in a sec - I have to drop off the kids at the pool, I mean the water closet.
| 1618 |
austin_blue Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:53:19pm |
re: #1605 darthstar
Ahh...fungi makes one a fun guy. If I was independently wealthy, I'd take mushrooms once a week...at least. Where I really enjoy them is at professional baseball games. I put a Dead show on my mp3 player, tune in, and trip on the spectacle...fuckin' good times.
When I was in college, we had Fraternity sports leagues. We would often take psychokinetic substances prior to playing softball. It wasn't catching the ball, it was *stopping the line*. It wasn't hitting the ball, it was *redirecting the line to an empty space*.
We kicked ass.
| 1619 |
Velvet Elvis Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:54:35pm |
Last December, officials at the federal prison in Butner, N.C., rebuffed rumors of a prison-yard beatdown involving the facility's most famous inmate, Bernie Madoff—he of the multibillion-dollar Ponzi scheme that crashed to earth so ingloriously in 2008. Yes, the prison’s administrators conceded, Madoff had suffered facial fractures and lacerations, broken ribs and a collapsed lung requiring an extended hospital stay. But the former Wall Street titan had just fallen out of his bunk bed, they insisted.
...
According to three prison sources the paper spoke to, the man who stole tens of billions of dollars from clients over a span of decades spends his days at the medium-security facility watching action films like "Lethal Weapon" and doling out financial advice to fellow inmates in the prison library. The sources say that Madoff’s closest buddy is a New York pharmacist locked up for the illegal distribution of painkillers—but that he also socializes frequently with Carmine Persico, the head of the Colombo crime family.
There's other stuff there about Madoff's life inside prison that's pretty interesting.
| 1620 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:54:44pm |
re: #1607 The Shadow Do
Only the Brits. Euphemism for crapper, methinks.
It is a British term in origin, but you will find that American plumbing codes and manufacturers still designate the toilet as Water Closet. Also several other countries such as France, Belgium, Germany...
| 1621 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:55:23pm |
| 1622 |
The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:55:25pm |
re: #1582 Dark_Falcon
Bagua, I honestly don't recommend coming to Spare's defense tonight. He's getting gang tackled but he is earning it through blind hostility. Let him get the whipping he needs, support just makes him think he's right.
Sometimes it's good to grant someone the charity of assuming they've been doing some twelve ounce forearm curls before logging on, some nights.
| 1624 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 8:58:55pm |
re: #1611 Cato the Elder
But you're OK with scalding skaldic verse, I hope?
I'm cool with the old Swede.
| 1626 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:01:22pm |
re: #1614 wozzablog
My friend - i used to attend that sort of place.
A band of merry brothers with long hair and beer, leather trousers/ripped jeans and biker jackets.
And women.
I miss 8 years ago.
Oh righteous :D
| 1627 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:04:36pm |
re: #1622 The Sanity Inspector
Sometimes it's good to grant someone the charity of assuming they've been doing some twelve ounce forearm curls before logging on, some nights.
What's funny is, when I get a little loaded and post, I'm just all silly and goofy. it never really makes me combative, it makes me take everything way less seriously.
| 1628 |
Bagua Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:07:00pm |
re: #1619 Conservative Moonbat
I will refrain from comment in respect of the blogs terms of service. That man committed a monstrous crime.
| 1629 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:07:23pm |
re: #1416 Alouette
Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie recorded the "Ballad of Jesse James" which portrayed the scumbag killer as a hero. I guess they saw him as a proletariat hero of the people, a'robbin' banks and a'killin' The Man
This land is your land, if you're a white man ...
| 1630 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:09:02pm |
re: #1599 Cato the Elder
Cato came bragging
With jowls all a'sagging
And smelling like putrifeid kipper
He strained for a rhyme
That would be so sublime
But instead lost his pen in his zipper.
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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:11:26pm |
re: #1577 wozzablog
You say tomayto... we say tomato, we say potato, you say potayto... you say 'erb and we say Herb, because theres an 'effin H in it ;-)
(with apologies to eddie izzard)
And then all those words with effin 'R'. That's why they hit the 'R' so hard, right?
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