“The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues.”
I have to differ with President Obama.
Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on anything, except maybe shooting defenseless animals with high caliber weapons.
She’s an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, fanatically religious, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:14:20pm |
good thing Cato was not there to field that question
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:14:34pm |
Palin, got smacked down?
Shocka!
//not.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:14:40pm |
Conservatives would have you believe that any attempt to disarm would somehow result in Russia taking advantage in such a way that, in a rather short period of time, you will actually see Russians from your house.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:15:51pm |
“The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues.”
true that... neither am I. How about you? anyone here an expert on nukes?
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:16:26pm |
re: #2 Floral Giraffe
Palin, got smacked down?
Shocka!
//not.
it's really too bad that BO even had to address a question concerning Palin....we have fallen far, in that Palin serves any equation...let her die on the vine
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:16:48pm |
I have to differ with President Obama.
Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on anything, except maybe shooting defenseless animals with high caliber weapons.
She's an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, religious fanatic, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:18:02pm |
re: #4 brookly red
“The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues.”
true that... neither am I. How about you? anyone here an expert on nukes?
give him credit for deferring to his betters...his appointee, of course, for Sec Defense
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Bulldoglover100 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:18:05pm |
Palin is the best weapon for re election BO could ever encounter.
The Indies will rush to the voting booth if she is the GOP candidate as many believe.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:18:08pm |
OT: Did you guys see Jon Stewart's Union Appreciation Month Sketch on the Daily Show? It was gut bustingly great, especially considering the stuff we've been talking about here recently!
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avanti Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:18:25pm |
Oddly, Hot Air goes on for 3 pages about The excellent Obama smack down from Palin.
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bosforus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:18:30pm |
She may not be an expert on nuclear issues but she definitely has some unclear issues.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:19:54pm |
re: #11 bosforus
She may not be an expert on nuclear issues but she definitely has some unclear issues.
she's the Brittany Spears of the Beltway...gag me with a spoon
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:20:07pm |
re: #4 brookly red
“The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues.”
true that... neither am I. How about you? anyone here an expert on nukes?
I feel really confident that any President will have had the benefit of advisors from whom the President will have gleaned much more expertise on nukes and nuclear issues than any has-been Governor.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:20:16pm |
re: #6 Charles
I have to differ with President Obama.
Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on anything.
She's an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, religious fanatic, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
And it is surprising to believe that saying something like that only two-and-a-half years ago would have resulted in a conservative downding bonanza.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:20:33pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:21:36pm |
re: #14 laZardo
And it is surprising to believe that saying something like that only two-and-a-half years ago would have resulted in a conservative downding bonanza.
Before her true colors were completely revealed.
Except to Killgore and Cato, and Charles probably had an inkling, I'm sure.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:21:51pm |
re: #11 bosforus
She may not be an expert on nuclear issues but she definitely has some unclear issues.
Yep. Like her ongoing war with the English language.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:22:10pm |
re: #11 bosforus
She may not be an expert on nuclear issues but she definitely has some unclear issues.
i like...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:22:27pm |
re: #6 Charles
I have to differ with President Obama.
Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on anything, except maybe shooting defenseless animals with high caliber weapons.
She's an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, religious fanatic, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
Nice. That one was Cato-worthy. Palin deserves as many smackdowns as possible.
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really grumpy big dog johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:22:54pm |
re: #4 brookly red
“The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues.”
true that... neither am I. How about you? anyone here an expert on nukes?
I'm going with a Carterism here in saying that they're very nucular.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:23:05pm |
Dammit. Again I agree with this guy. I hate that.
Seriously, now is a good time to get the Russians to throttle down on big nasty weapons. We outspent them in the 70's and 80's and thats how we won the cold war. If we get into a spending war with Russia right now they will destroy us. They are one of only a handful of countries that are doing well right now financially. We, are seriously NOT.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:23:15pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:23:56pm |
re: #7 albusteve
give him credit for deferring to his betters...his appointee, of course, for Sec Defense
and I do... as I said I the last thread I actually think reducing nuclear war heads is a good thing. It is the cut in delivery systems that I find disturbing.
Cruise missiles, bombers, etc. anything that could potentially carry a nuke is not not an option... but the same delivery systems that deliver conventional weapons are now also gone. We could not do very much to protect ourselves if this treaty is ratified.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:24:05pm |
re: #17 Lidane
Yep. Like her ongoing war with the English language.
ah.
I have such trouble sometimes talking, I'll forgive anyone their mind-twisting mistakes.
Palin's problem isn't how she talks or what she says, it's that unlike me when I make a mistake because I'm nervous or tired, her brain really does works that way.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:24:11pm |
re: #15 freetoken
I know they go "boom":
[Video]
awesome film, still watching with mixed emotion, but thanks for that
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:25:15pm |
re: #24 reine.de.tout
It's hard to understand how anyone can maintain (on extremely shaky grounds) that the President is wrong about everything single thing he does, day after day, and still maintain an audience.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:25:19pm |
re: #14 laZardo
That was before she showed herself to be a quitter. If she'd lost the VP/Presidential election & gone home & done a good job for her state as governor, I MIGHT cut her some slack. No, she quit, wrote a book & turned up as a hired speaker. ( I was going to say hired gun, but she's just a talking head.) So, today, Sarah is, what she is, and I am grateful that she is not the VP of the USA. There are also the creationist issues, but quitting for me, was the biggest issue.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:25:33pm |
re: #23 brookly red
and I do... as I said I the last thread I actually think reducing nuclear war heads is a good thing. It is the cut in delivery systems that I find disturbing.
Cruise missiles, bombers, etc. anything that could potentially carry a nuke is not not an option... but the same delivery systems that deliver conventional weapons are now also gone. We could not do very much to protect ourselves if this treaty is ratified.
That not true as I understand it. We can still build and operate bombers and cruise missiles. We're just restricted in the number of nukes for them.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:25:40pm |
re: #23 brookly red
and I do... as I said I the last thread I actually think reducing nuclear war heads is a good thing. It is the cut in delivery systems that I find disturbing.
Cruise missiles, bombers, etc. anything that could potentially carry a nuke is not not an option... but the same delivery systems that deliver conventional weapons are now also gone. We could not do very much to protect ourselves if this treaty is ratified.
Yeah gee.... we only have our massive stockpile of conventional arms and the fact that whatever nation which breaks out the nukes first is gonna get glassed by everyone else....
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:25:52pm |
re: #16 reine.de.tout
Before her true colors were completely revealed.
Except to Killgore and Cato, and Charles probably had an inkling, I'm sure.
I can safely say I was the only user active at the time that didn't downding Annefrance. At the time I felt sorry she was being mobbed up on, now I realize she was right.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:25:55pm |
re: #27 jaunte
It's hard to understand how anyone can maintain (on extremely shaky grounds) that the President is wrong about everything single thing he does, day after day, and still maintain an audience.
Carefully self-selected studio audience.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:26:39pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:27:11pm |
re: #27 jaunte
It's hard to understand how anyone can maintain (on extremely shaky grounds) that the President is wrong about everything single thing he does, day after day, and still maintain an audience.
Yes, it is, isn't it?
Especially when he actually goes for something that "your" side (whatever it is) wants done - drilling for example.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:27:17pm |
re: #32 laZardo
I can safely say I was the only user active at the time that didn't downding Annefrance. At the time I felt sorry she was being mobbed up on, now I realize she was right.
you weren't the ONLY one. I didn't join that dogpile either -- logged on that day a bit too late & decided it wasn't worth it.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:27:50pm |
re: #28 Floral Giraffe
That was before she showed herself to be a quitter. If she'd lost the VP/Presidential election & gone home & done a good job for her state as governor, I MIGHT cut her some slack. No, she quit, wrote a book & turned up as a hired speaker. ( I was going to say hired gun, but she's just a talking head.) So, today, Sarah is, what she is, and I am grateful that she is not the VP of the USA. There are also the creationist issues, but quitting for me, was the biggest issue.
Quitting, and then revealing herself to be a complete idiot.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:28:04pm |
re: #34 NJDhockeyfan
I miss Ronald Reagan.
Yeah I miss the times when a Republican could suggest decreasing the size of our Nuclear Arsenal, raising taxes, and come from California (while being a celebrity before he ran for office) and not get branded a RINO.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:28:05pm |
But how do you really feel, Charles?
The President's response was proper. Palin is out of her league and it shows.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:28:09pm |
re: #35 reine.de.tout
Drill here? Not enough! Too late! Wrong states! AAAAAGGGHHHH!
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:28:24pm |
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:28:48pm |
re: #37 reine.de.tout
Quitting, and then revealing herself to be a complete idiot.
She revealed herself as a complete idiot long before she quit.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:29:01pm |
re: #32 laZardo
I can safely say I was the only user active at the time that didn't downding Annefrance. At the time I felt sorry she was being mobbed up on, now I realize she was right.
AnneFrance's post, if I recall, was an indictment of the US as a whole. At least that's the gist that I recall. It was just nasty and mean-spirited; she could have made her point without being so arrogant, I thought.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:29:28pm |
Hey we didn't nuke the shit out of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan for their cheap-assed attack on 9/11. It will take a whole lot for us to pull the trigger again. I honestly don't see it happening unless millions of Americans are directly in danger.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:29:50pm |
re: #34 NJDhockeyfan
I miss Ronald Reagan.
Although personally I do believe it's darkest right before it goes pitch black.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:30:04pm |
re: #42 Lidane
She revealed herself as a complete idiot long before she quit.
Probably so.
Some of us idiotically didn't see it.
Myself included.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:30:10pm |
re: #32 laZardo
I can safely say I was the only user active at the time that didn't downding Annefrance. At the time I felt sorry she was being mobbed up on, now I realize she was right.
I don't ding...and I was there
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:30:47pm |
re: #46 reine.de.tout
Probably so.
Some of us idiotically didn't see it.
Myself included.
Should have said 'MANY" of us here at that time.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:30:58pm |
It is truly an awesome "Duh" kind of comment from the president. I have been waiting for any elected official to respond this way. Good for him.
Too bad she, and his response to her, are detracting from the very real issue of his decision to announce a policy change of this magnitude. Not sure I agree with the decision. In fact, I'm sure I don't. Keeping your options open gives you much more leverage and frankly, he does not know he will actually be able to abide by such policy. You won't use nukes on non-nuclear capable enemies? Really? If if they decide to detonate chemical or biological weapons on a helpless populous? Even if they are kicking your non-nuclear butt? Even to save millions from a lingering war? Just because he has advisers, doesn't mean either that they are right or he is actually listening to them.
This policy change should be discussed and questioned, I think, not just dismissed cause its a stupid (word deleted) Republican ex-senator bringing it up. That's what we do in this country.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:31:03pm |
re: #43 reine.de.tout
AnneFrance's post, if I recall, was an indictment of the US as a whole. At least that's the gist that I recall. It was just nasty and mean-spirited; she could have made her point without being so arrogant, I thought.
Considering that close to half the country is still buying into Palin's BS, I don't think she was that far off.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:31:04pm |
re: #43 reine.de.tout
AnneFrance's post, if I recall, was an indictment of the US as a whole. At least that's the gist that I recall. It was just nasty and mean-spirited; she could have made her point without being so arrogant, I thought.
Moreover, she used her post to go after Palin's daughter Bristol at the same time. It was indeed a malicious and nasty post and it richly merited the downdings it received.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:31:32pm |
re: #51 laZardo
Considering that close to half the country is still buying into Palin's BS, I don't think she was that far off.
okey-dokey.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:31:35pm |
re: #43 reine.de.tout
AnneFrance's post, if I recall, was an indictment of the US as a whole. At least that's the gist that I recall. It was just nasty and mean-spirited; she could have made her point without being so arrogant, I thought.
Annefrance attacked Palin for not aborting Trig. That was obnoxious and disgusting no matter if you agreed with Palin or not.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:31:49pm |
re: #44 Racer X
Hey we didn't nuke the shit out of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan for their cheap-assed attack on 9/11. It will take a whole lot for us to pull the trigger again. I honestly don't see it happening unless millions of Americans are directly in danger.
I expect tac nukes will be considered rationale....especially with regard to the possibility of Israel being over run
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:31:58pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
That not true as I understand it. We can still build and operate bombers and cruise missiles. We're just restricted in the number of nukes for them.
OK let me explain. If we have a certain amount of delivery systems dedicated to our nuclear deterrence only and none others to deal with any conventional threats... surprise no military except the nukes! Iraq or Yugoslavia would not have been an option. We have no conventional capabilities left period... neutered. NO Military left other than nukes. Not good.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:32:34pm |
re: #55 Alouette
Annefrance attacked Palin for not aborting Trig. That was obnoxious and disgusting no matter if you agreed with Palin or not.
Well, there you go.
Without re-reading, I just recalled it was vicious and mean-spirited.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:32:40pm |
re: #42 Lidane
She revealed herself as a complete idiot long before she quit.
I disagree with that...it took a while
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:32:50pm |
re: #56 albusteve
I expect tac nukes will be considered rationale...especially with regard to the possibility of Israel being over run
I doubt it. I really do - even in that situation.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:33:02pm |
re: #46 reine.de.tout
Probably so.
Some of us idiotically didn't see it.
Myself included.
Oh, it was definite from the start. There's a reason the McCain folks sheltered her so thoroughly on the campaign trail.
I can understand some folks not seeing it, though. It was really mind-boggling to see a professionally run Presidential campaign make such an obvious mistake in choosing the VP. Some folks just wanted to believe that it couldn't possibly be that bad. Too bad for all of us that it really was.
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:33:14pm |
Fielding a question regarding an opinion from the pedestrian Sarah Palin is an insult to the office of the President.
That she used the analogy of being "punched in the face" in a school playground clearly exposes the [low] level of aptitude she possesses.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:33:25pm |
re: #60 albusteve
I disagree with that...it took a while
Steve - don't argue.
No point to it, really.
Like I did, admit you're an idiot and move on.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:33:41pm |
re: #56 albusteve
I expect tac nukes will be considered rationale...especially with regard to the possibility of Israel being over run
no you would need a system to deliver it...
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:33:47pm |
re: #53 jamesfirecat
You can find the post here... if you want to
(SNIP)
(Says holding out the post in tongs while dressed in containment suit and fearing for karma)
Here -- earn this Purple Heart for that hazardous tour of duty...
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:33:59pm |
re: #60 albusteve
I disagree with that...it took a while
Not really. It was obvious from the beginning. It just took some folks a bit longer to notice what was right in front of them the whole time.
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palomino Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:34:37pm |
Experts like Bush/Obama's SecDef and the CJS don't matter. Sarah Palin has a feeling in her gut.
Is there an adult GOP left that's not afraid to disagree with her, maybe even criticize her? I guess not--she's the party's hood ornament.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:34:42pm |
re: #57 brookly red
OK let me explain. If we have a certain amount of delivery systems dedicated to our nuclear deterrence only and none others to deal with any conventional threats... surprise no military except the nukes! Iraq or Yugoslavia would not have been an option. We have no conventional capabilities left period... neutered. NO Military left other than nukes. Not good.
Huh? We've used the B-52, B-1, and B-2 for conventional missions many times. They are not losing that capability. Moreover, we are building new non-nuclear cruise missiles right now. This is not an issue Brookly.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:34:47pm |
re: #62 Lidane
Oh, it was definite from the start. There's a reason the McCain folks sheltered her so thoroughly on the campaign trail.
I can understand some folks not seeing it, though. It was really mind-boggling to see a professionally run Presidential campaign make such an obvious mistake in choosing the VP. Some folks just wanted to believe that it couldn't possibly be that bad. Too bad for all of us that it really was.
That "sheltering" should indeed have been a clue.
At the time, I thought McCain was making a mistake. Peopled seemed to like what they saw of her at the convention.
No mistake on the part of McCain.
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SteveC Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:35:02pm |
re: #4 brookly red
“The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues.”
true that... neither am I. How about you? anyone here an expert on nukes?
Nukes go BOOM! Usually, that's bad.
/Pretty much all you need to know!
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:35:03pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
Moreover, she used her post to go after Palin's daughter Bristol at the same time. It was indeed a malicious and nasty post and it richly merited the downdings it received.
yup, that tipped it...
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:35:03pm |
This is also just common sense. Nukes are about as viable as sieges in todays' military theaters. We can take the top off a phone pole from 6,000 miles away. Using a device that renders everything, within and without of its blast range, unusable, is just stupid, today.
This is like agreeing to no longer use trench warfare. And we have better uses for the uranium.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:35:27pm |
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:35:30pm |
re: #38 jamesfirecat
Yeah I miss the times when a Republican could suggest decreasing the size of our Nuclear Arsenal, raising taxes, and come from California (while being a celebrity before he ran for office) and not get branded a RINO.
Don't forget Reagan was tough on our enemies. He didn't take shit from any of them. I saw a biography about him on PBS a while back. When he and Gorbachev had one of their summits and Gorby demanded the US drop Star Wars, Reagan stood up, poked his finger in Gorbachev's chest, got in his face, and told him the US would never give up research on that technology.
Oh to see another leader like that today.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:36:19pm |
re: #74 swamprat
ay-men.
Like fueling all those new power plants we need to plant and water with economic recovery money...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:36:46pm |
re: #55 Alouette
Annefrance attacked Palin for not aborting Trig. That was obnoxious and disgusting no matter if you agreed with Palin or not.
Yep.
Bristol made a choice; but in AnneFrance's mind, it was not the right choice to make.
As if it was any of AnneFrance's business.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:00pm |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
Don't forget Reagan was tough on our enemies. He didn't take shit from any of them. I saw a biography about him on PBS a while back. When he and Gorbachev had one of their summits and Gorby demanded the US drop Star Wars, Reagan stood up, poked his finger in Gorbachev's chest, got in his face, and told him the US would never give up research on that technology.
Oh to see another leader like that today.
But we never got our space-based lasers. ):
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:01pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
Hmm. Always wondered what this destruction of the world was that the Mayas were on about...
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:23pm |
re: #61 Racer X
I doubt it. I really do - even in that situation.
I'd pull the trigger myself...I cannot believe Israel wouldn't use that option
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:23pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
Quite.
How stupid is the GOP? Just that stupid!
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:26pm |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
Don't forget Reagan was tough on our enemies. He didn't take shit from any of them. I saw a biography about him on PBS a while back. When he and Gorbachev had one of their summits and Gorby demanded the US drop Star Wars, Reagan stood up, poked his finger in Gorbachev's chest, got in his face, and told him the US would never give up research on that technology.
Oh to see another leader like that today.
I have heard Obama is just like Ronald Reagan. Make of it what you will.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:47pm |
re: #75 Charles
She's certainly more likely than Ron Paul or Mitt Romney. It's hard for me to envision a viable Republican candidate in 2012.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:53pm |
re: #66 Querent
Here -- earn this Purple Heart for that hazardous tour of duty...
Are you threatening him? Purple Heart is for injury silly. Here, have an MSM instead.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:37:56pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
Yep. Like I said the other day:
Palin + Beck + Tea Partiers = 8 years of Obama.
Guaranteed.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:10pm |
re: #80 Querent
Hmm. Always wondered what this destruction of the world was that the Mayas were on about...
And don't forget the Siberian methane. Soon we can SMELL Russia from our house. q;
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SteveC Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:18pm |
She’s an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, fanatically religious, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
Come now, you give her too much credit!
//
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:19pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
Huh? We've used the B-52, B-1, and B-2 for conventional missions many times. They are not losing that capability. Moreover, we are building new non-nuclear cruise missiles right now. This is not an issue Brookly.
Wrong. these systems could carry nukes and now will be reduced. 600 sounds like a lot when you talk about nukes... but how many missiles did we fire into Iraq on day one.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:22pm |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
Don't forget Reagan was tough on our enemies. He didn't take shit from any of them. I saw a biography about him on PBS a while back. When he and Gorbachev had one of their summits and Gorby demanded the US drop Star Wars, Reagan stood up, poked his finger in Gorbachev's chest, got in his face, and told him the US would never give up research on that technology.
Oh to see another leader like that today.
Yeah that's what I want a man who proudly stands by military spending on pie in the sky projects!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:26pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
OMG, I hope not, I really really hope not.
But if it's not Palin, it will be someone equally distasteful, I'm sure.
Ugh.
I'm an orphan.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:33pm |
I stand by my assertion that if Sarah Palin had the face of Helen Thomas and the voice of Susan Estrich, she would currently enjoy the same level of fame and influence enjoyed by Phyllis Glumperton.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:39pm |
re: #85 Escaped Hillbilly
Are you threatening him? Purple Heart is for injury silly. Here, have an MSM instead.
How do you know whether or not that brief exposure to pure elemental Stupid didn't injure him?
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:45pm |
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:45pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:38:58pm |
re: #14 laZardo
And it is surprising to believe that saying something like that only two-and-a-half years ago would have resulted in a conservative downding bonanza.
Yup. I was one of those lizards who thought something wasn't quite right about Palin from the beginning. However, as more information about her was exposed, her ardent defenders quietly slipped away into the night.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:39:01pm |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
Don't forget Reagan was tough on our enemies. He didn't take shit from any of them. I saw a biography about him on PBS a while back. When he and Gorbachev had one of their summits and Gorby demanded the US drop Star Wars, Reagan stood up, poked his finger in Gorbachev's chest, got in his face, and told him the US would never give up research on that technology.
Oh to see another leader like that today.
I'm sure Sarah could do the job to your satisfaction.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:39:22pm |
re: #87 laZardo
And don't forget the Siberian methane. Soon we can SMELL Russia from our house. q;
There's gotta be a way we can harness the power of that methane...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:39:27pm |
re: #96 eclectic infidel
Yup. I was one of those lizards who thought something wasn't quite right about Palin from the beginning. However, as more information about her was exposed, her ardent defenders quietly slipped away into the night.
haha.
or loudly flounced.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:40:08pm |
re: #64 reine.de.tout
Steve - don't argue.
No point to it, really.
Like I did, admit you're an idiot and move on.
funny how that works eh?...is there a
Hindsight Genius Club?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:40:22pm |
re: #89 brookly red
Wrong. these systems could carry nukes and now will be reduced. 600 sounds like a lot when you talk about nukes... but how many missiles did we fire into Iraq on day one.
Umm... I think it's foolish to measure regular missile numbers against nukes. Do you have the figures for how many megatons we fire in a day against how many megatons in your standard nuke?
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:40:24pm |
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:40:36pm |
re: #95 Racer X
Or so you think.
;-)
I'm pretty sure the Israelis did.
/or did not, they won't say. (;
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:40:52pm |
re: #94 albusteve
a howitzer can nuke you these days
those are limited too... but it's moot. Israel dose not look for us to provide a nuclear umbrella God help us they can provide their own.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:41:01pm |
re: #96 eclectic infidel
Yup. I was one of those lizards who thought something wasn't quite right about Palin from the beginning. However, as more information about her was exposed, her ardent defenders quietly slipped away into the night.
i gotta say i sure enjoyed watching my really-liberal friends get the vapors whenever her name was mentioned.
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:41:17pm |
re: #23 brookly red
Cruise missiles, bombers, etc. anything that could potentially carry a nuke is not not an option... but the same delivery systems that deliver conventional weapons are now also gone. We could not do very much to protect ourselves if this treaty is ratified.
Ok, no ICBM or cruise missile (designed to carry nuclear weapons) can carry a conventional payload worth bothering about.
Stealthy manned or unmanned aircraft with precision guided weapons can deliver smaller bombs to more effect and can be used for conventional use against conventional targets.
Also, as long as we have our ballistic missile submarines at sea no first strike could knock out our retaliatory response. MAD still works, just less warheads and missiles to make the rubble bounce.
I'm less worried about a nuke in a missile (which is very hard to do) than one in the back of an 18 wheeler or in a ships cargo container.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:41:43pm |
re: #74 swamprat
No. Actually you can make a nuke that is every bit as "surgical" as any other bomb. That is, any explosion large enough to destroy a countries entire war making capabilities at one shot, is NOT going to be surgical. And that is what nukes are for. And it isn't about whether we would actually use them. It is about what the enemy believesd about whether we would use them. That is why every other American pres. has hedged their bets by making no promises not to use them first or use them against those that don't have their own. I agree we need to reduce stockpiles to what we actually need. After a certain point, its just silly, expensive and dangerous. But promising not to use them is tying your own hands for people who are just not that trustworthy.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:42:30pm |
re: #106 Querent
i gotta say i sure enjoyed watching my really-liberal friends get the vapors whenever her name was mentioned.
I never got the vapors, I got the giggles.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #86 Racer X
Yep. Like I said the other day:
Palin + Beck + Tea Partiers = 8 years of Obama.
Guaranteed.
Pretty much.
The only real question is how many people she'll drive into the Obama column when they'd ordinarily vote Republican. I had lifelong conservative and/or Republican friends either vote Obama or stay home just at the possibility of her being a heartbeat away. Sarah as the GOP nominee for the Presidency? That might just make my friends pull the trigger for Obama without any hesitation at all.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:43:21pm |
re: #53 jamesfirecat
I don't really think you should link to there from this site.
But, that's my opinion. Your mileage may vary!
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:43:30pm |
re: #109 jamesfirecat
I never got the vapors, I got the giggles.
Yes, but i didn't know you back then!
(and they STILL get the vapors any time she makes a squawk. You'd think the sky was falling...)
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:43:39pm |
re: #82 Cato the Elder
Quite.
How stupid is the GOP? Just that stupid!
And how smart is Obama really, on or off the teleprompter. Honestly now. Honestly?
I know we have an effort going; republican=stupid, democrat=smart. Its been going on since at least Carter, probably before that. That is why billions are spent on advertising. It works.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:43:41pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:10pm |
re: #102 jamesfirecat
Umm... I think it's foolish to measure regular missile numbers against nukes. Do you have the figures for how many megatons we fire in a day against how many megatons in your standard nuke?
wtf... are you for real? No dis intended but try and wrap your head about the word megaton... that would be 10 Hiroshima's.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:20pm |
re: #113 compound idaho
And how smart is Obama really, on or off the teleprompter. Honestly now. Honestly?
I know we have an effort going; republican=stupid, democrat=smart. Its been going on since at least Carter, probably before that. That is why billions are spent on advertising. It works.
At least he can pronounce the word "nuclear."
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:30pm |
re: #111 Floral Giraffe
I don't really think you should link to there from this site.
But, that's my opinion. Your mileage may vary!
I take it that Charles agrees with you my bad, I didn't realize that it was on the "no link list" I just grabbed the first thing I found off of google...
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:38pm |
re: #75 Charles
I would bet against that, but for the reasons you cite most strongly. I see all the negatives and think most any established Republican could beat her out. Ah well I may have egg all over this face after the primaries.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:44pm |
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:48pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
You have opened the door to Oblivion just by speaking that profanity...!!!
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bosforus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:53pm |
re: #110 Lidane
Pretty much.
The only real question is how many people she'll drive into the Obama column when they'd ordinarily vote Republican. I had lifelong conservative and/or Republican friends either vote Obama or stay home just at the possibility of her being a heartbeat away...
The Rep. party brass might be interested in knowing that Palin at the top of a ticket would push me in that direction.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:44:54pm |
I don't understand why a legitimate reporter would ask the President of the United States to respond to what a Sarah Palin type has to say.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:45:14pm |
re: #90 jamesfirecat
Yeah that's what I want a man who proudly stands by military spending on pie in the sky projects!
Pie in the sky project? As far as I'm concerned it was brilliant and has borne successful tests.
US 'Star Wars' lasers bring down ballistic missile
The US this week achieved a goal that has eluded it since Ronald Reagan's Star Wars programme by knocking out a ballistic missile using a high-powered laser beam mounted on a plane.The successful test was carried out yesterday in California, the US Missile Defence Agency (MDA) said, making real what had previously been confined to the realms of science fiction.
The plane uses a combination of lasers to lock on to the missile and track its trajectory, and then bring it down with a single shot fired from the nose turret, all in less than 12 seconds.
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Girth Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:45:26pm |
re: #110 Lidane
Pretty much.
The only real question is how many people she'll drive into the Obama column when they'd ordinarily vote Republican. I had lifelong conservative and/or Republican friends either vote Obama or stay home just at the possibility of her being a heartbeat away. Sarah as the GOP nominee for the Presidency? That might just make my friends pull the trigger for Obama without any hesitation at all.
Exactly. I stayed home in 2008. If Palin is the GOP nominee in 2012, I will vote D for president for the first time in my life. She will get a Mondale-style electoral beat down.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:45:33pm |
re: #93 Querent
How do you know whether or not that brief exposure to pure elemental Stupid didn't injure him?
Oooooh. True. Here, you get an ARCOM. Don't spend it all in one place.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:45:40pm |
re: #113 compound idaho
And how smart is Obama really, on or off the teleprompter. Honestly now. Honestly?
Meh. You don't get a real answer to that question because of the dickwad teleprompter horseshit.
Have a downding, though.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:45:53pm |
re: #113 compound idaho
And how smart is Obama really, on or off the teleprompter. Honestly now. Honestly?
I know we have an effort going; republican=stupid, democrat=smart. Its been going on since at least Carter, probably before that. That is why billions are spent on advertising. It works.
The Republican's Anti-Elitest rethoric hasn't exactly been helping them in that regard...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:46:14pm |
re: #123 CarleeCork
I don't understand why a legitimate reporter would ask the President of the United States to respond to what a Sarah Palin type has to say.
Because she's going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:46:14pm |
re: #107 Kilroy01
Cruise missiles, bombers, etc. anything that could potentially carry a nuke is not not an option... but the same delivery systems that deliver conventional weapons are now also gone. We could not do very much to protect ourselves if this treaty is ratified.
Ok, no ICBM or cruise missile (designed to carry nuclear weapons) can carry a conventional payload worth bothering about.
Stealthy manned or unmanned aircraft with precision guided weapons can deliver smaller bombs to more effect and can be used for conventional use against conventional targets.
Also, as long as we have our ballistic missile submarines at sea no first strike could knock out our retaliatory response. MAD still works, just less warheads and missiles to make the rubble bounce.
I'm less worried about a nuke in a missile (which is very hard to do) than one in the back of an 18 wheeler or in a ships cargo container.
agreed, with much enthusiasm...it's a new paradigm and I hope the feds are on top of it...not likely tho
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:46:28pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
OMG, I hope not, I really really hope not.
But if it's not Palin, it will be someone equally distasteful, I'm sure.
Ugh.
I'm an orphan.
I think lots of us on LGF, belong to your orphanage. Politically speaking.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:46:31pm |
re: #113 compound idaho
And how smart is Obama really, on or off the teleprompter. Honestly now. Honestly?
I know we have an effort going; republican=stupid, democrat=smart. Its been going on since at least Carter, probably before that. That is why billions are spent on advertising. It works.
Smart enough to have been a constitutional law professor. What exactly are Sarah Palin's credentials?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:46:35pm |
re: #126 Girth
Exactly. I stayed home in 2008. If Palin is the GOP nominee in 2012, I will vote D for president for the first time in my life. She will get a Mondale-style electoral beat down.
I had to drag the Roi kicking and screaming to the polls in 2008. I had to shame him into voting. He really wanted to stay home.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:46:35pm |
Speaking of nukes:
The First British Hydrogen Bomb:
Love the paper headline at the end: "Britain is Safe".
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:47:06pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:47:06pm |
re: #125 Kilroy01
Nope.. 50 (20kt verse 1000kt)
hush... don't confuse them with numbers bigger than 10.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:47:14pm |
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:47:15pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:47:44pm |
re: #110 Lidane
Pretty much.
The only real question is how many people she'll drive into the Obama column when they'd ordinarily vote Republican. I had lifelong conservative and/or Republican friends either vote Obama or stay home just at the possibility of her being a heartbeat away. Sarah as the GOP nominee for the Presidency? That might just make my friends pull the trigger for Obama without any hesitation at all.
I am registered Independent but generally vote Repub. I think not if Palin is our choice. Please, please, somebody give us a viable 3rd party candidate.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:47:58pm |
re: #127 Escaped Hillbilly
Ooooh. True. Here, you get an ARCOM. Don't spend it all in one place.
Thanks. Although i know more about Purple Hearts than i do ARCOMs (i'll go look them up on Lizardpedia). The point is, JFC was taking a serious sanity risk delving in that den of filth for the sake of evidence and i wanted to recognize his sacrifice of a few brain cells when the Stupidfumes and Crazyvapors hit him...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:48:44pm |
re: #89 brookly red
Wrong. these systems could carry nukes and now will be reduced. 600 sounds like a lot when you talk about nukes... but how many missiles did we fire into Iraq on day one.
That's not what I've heard. We've altered many B-1 so they cannot carry nukes, and we can do that with others if we need to. The Tomahawk we're building right now cannot carry nukes at all so they're kosher. I'm not a fan of Obama, but this thing has been thought through correctly. Our conventional forces won't take even a moderate hit.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:48:44pm |
re: #130 Charles
Because she's going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
I seriously doubt that. No way. Please...no way!
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:48:45pm |
re: #108 Escaped Hillbilly
No. Actually you can make a nuke that is every bit as "surgical" as any other bomb. That is, any explosion large enough to destroy a countries entire war making capabilities at one shot, is NOT going to be surgical. And that is what nukes are for. And it isn't about whether we would actually use them. It is about what the enemy believesd about whether we would use them. That is why every other American pres. has hedged their bets by making no promises not to use them first or use them against those that don't have their own. I agree we need to reduce stockpiles to what we actually need. After a certain point, its just silly, expensive and dangerous. But promising not to use them is tying your own hands for people who are just not that trustworthy.
OK. But when you talk about a "surgical" nuke, You could get the same effect with large conventional weapons;
oui/non?
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:48:47pm |
re: #130 Charles
Because she's going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
Do you really believe that? For real? No disrespect intended.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:49:14pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
Then it should be an easy second term for Obama.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:49:27pm |
re: #130 Charles
Because she's going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
/they killed Kenny Cato... Bastards!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:49:39pm |
re: #138 NJDhockeyfan
But he can't spell Syracuse.
Mrs. Palin this is for the Presidency, spell Onamonapia....
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:49:45pm |
Crap.
Everybody I know screws up when they talk, some more often than others.
I tend to be less forgiving of it when I know a person's mind doesn't function as smartly as it should.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:50:02pm |
re: #145 CarleeCork
Do you really believe that? For real? No disrespect intended.
Do you see another serious contender?
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:50:18pm |
Palin for President!
backed by an army of unrepentant agents of intolerance...
chew on that for a bit
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:50:31pm |
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:51:16pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
That's not what I've heard. We've altered many B-1 so they cannot carry nukes, and we can do that with others if we need to. The Tomahawk we're building right now cannot carry nukes at all so they're kosher. I'm not a fan of Obama, but this thing has been thought through correctly. Our conventional forces won't take even a moderate hit.
and taxes won't go up either...
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Bagua Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:51:31pm |
re: #140 Escaped Hillbilly
I am registered Independent but generally vote Repub. I think not if Palin is our choice. Please, please, somebody give us a viable 3rd party candidate.
America is a two party system, not likely to change. A 3rd party candidate will only split the vote.
November mid-terms are going to give us better clue about 2012.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:02pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
Not. A. Real-World. Test.
But the freeloaders who have been bilking America out of billions (maybe trillions by this time?) ever since Reagan saw a movie starring Carrie Fisher and decided to make military policy decisions based on light-sabers are still happy.
You wouldn't work for one of them by any chance, would you?
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:11pm |
re: #150 Floral Giraffe
Do you see another serious contender?
Hell, they pulled Palin out of their ass for VP.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:18pm |
re: #140 Escaped Hillbilly
I am registered Independent but generally vote Repub. I think not if Palin is our choice. Please, please, somebody give us a viable 3rd party candidate.
And for the love of something it had better not be Cynthia McKinney.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:21pm |
re: #154 Bagua
America is a two party system, not likely to change. A 3rd party candidate will only split the vote.
November mid-terms are going to give us better clue about 2012.
Like Perot in 1992?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:40pm |
re: #154 Bagua
America is a two party system, not likely to change. A 3rd party candidate will only split the vote.
November mid-terms are going to give us better clue about 2012.
Ehh I feel it (the Presidential election) all comes down to who the Republicans Run. Mitt Romney or some new sane guy might make things decidedly "interesting" if its Sarah Palin, I'm breaking out the popcorn...
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:46pm |
re: #123 CarleeCork
I don't understand why a legitimate reporter would ask the President of the United States to respond to what a Sarah Palin type has to say.
It's politics. Everything is fair game.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:51pm |
re: #145 CarleeCork
Do you really believe that? For real? No disrespect intended.
Yes, absolutely I do. Mike Huckabee is her biggest rival, and she aces him on the religious fanatic front. Plus she wears red power suits and says "You betcha!"
Mitt Romney doesn't have a chance with the evangelicals. Just not going to happen.
Palin drew 10,000 wingnuts to that rally in Minnesota, and they drooled over her every word.
And she's almost certainly going to win the straw poll at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.
Sarah Palin is the "future" of the GOP. By which I mean "the past," which is where the GOP lives.
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Bagua Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:52:54pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:53:04pm |
re: #117 Charles
At least he can pronounce the word "nuclear."
Charles, the word nuclear was actually pronounced nuc-u-lar during the inception of the US nuclear program. There were two camps and eventually, nu-cle-ar won out. But it was really just preference. It is likely he grew up (in Texas I can almost guarantee it) hearing it said that way. Did he understand its meaning and use it properly? Then why the constant harping on it? My mom still says she warshes her clothes in the zinc after all.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:53:29pm |
re: #150 Floral Giraffe
Huckabee and Pawlenty are trying plenty hard. They may not have the crowds, but they do have organizations.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:53:31pm |
re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar
Like Perot in 1992?
Hey, I liked him until he started talking about being bugged.
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:54:12pm |
re: #98 Querent
There's gotta be a way we can harness the power of that methane...
Yes, rather than ushering in the apocalypse, let's get the engineers involved (and I'm not even an engineer).
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:54:46pm |
re: #163 Escaped Hillbilly
Charles, the word nuclear was actually pronounced nuc-u-lar during the inception of the US nuclear program. There were two camps and eventually, nu-cle-ar won out. But it was really just preference. It is likely he grew up (in Texas I can almost guarantee it) hearing it said that way. Did he understand its meaning and use it properly? Then why the constant harping on it? My mom still says she warshes her clothes in the zinc after all.
The less our leaders sound like Homer Simpson, the more confidence I have in them...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:54:47pm |
re: #163 Escaped Hillbilly
Charles, the word nuclear was actually pronounced nuc-u-lar during the inception of the US nuclear program. There were two camps and eventually, nu-cle-ar won out. But it was really just preference. It is likely he grew up (in Texas I can almost guarantee it) hearing it said that way. Did he understand its meaning and use it properly? Then why the constant harping on it? My mom still says she warshes her clothes in the zinc after all.
How in the world do you get "nucular" out of "nuclear?" Good grief.
I cringed every time I heard W mispronounce this easily pronounceable word.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:01pm |
re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar
Like Perot in 1992?
I worked for his company in the mid-70's, while I was in college.
He was a nut-case from the get-go.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:01pm |
re: #165 CarleeCork
Hey, I liked him until he started talking about being bugged.
Or until the VP debate. I praise the guy for his service, but, man, disaster.
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Bagua Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:19pm |
Elections are more about voting against who one doesn't like.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:19pm |
Maybe Sarah will reinstate the Plowshare program, as a way of clearing the land for the new natural gas pipeline from Alaska that she has been hawking for years?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:21pm |
re: #153 brookly red
and taxes won't go up either...
Taxes will go up. But don't fall prey to ODS, Brookly. This treaty is not something that will emasculate our conventional forces. And even if it would, there are enough GOP votes to kill it in the Senate. Obama knows this. He's not going to sign a treaty he knows would never pass. He's not that big a fool. I ask you to trust me on this.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:26pm |
re: #144 swamprat
No. We can't carry or make bombs that big. That's why the damn things were invented. And even the first nukes were too big for most planes to handle.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:55:34pm |
re: #161 Charles
Yes, absolutely I do. Mike Huckabee is her biggest rival, and she aces him on the religious fanatic front. Plus she wears red power suits and says "You betcha!"
Mitt Romney doesn't have a chance with the evangelicals. Just not going to happen.
Palin drew 10,000 wingnuts to that rally in Minnesota, and they drooled over her every word.
And she's almost certainly going to win the straw poll at the Souther Republican Leadership Conference.
Sarah Palin is the "future" of the GOP. By which I mean "the past," which is where the GOP lives.
and most of all...she has a cheery, toothy smile...she's in like Flynt imo
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:13pm |
re: #168 Charles
How in the world do you get "nucular" out of "nuclear?" Good grief.
I cringed every time I heard W mispronounce this easily pronounceable word.
The same way you get the extra 'i' in "Aluminium."
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:15pm |
What do you think about the labor unions starting a third party?
It’s War: SEIU Starting Third Party In North Carolina
In a shot across the bow of Dems, the labor powerhouse SEIU is starting a new third party in North Carolina that hopes to field its own slate of candidates, part of an effort to make the Democratic Party more reliable on issues important to labor, I’m told.
SEIU officials setting up the new party, called North Carolina First, are currently on the ground collecting signatures to qualify as a state party, SEIU officials tell me, adding that there are around 100 canvassers on the ground right now. The goal: To have the party up and running so candidates can run in this fall’s elections.
It won’t be lost on political observers that three House Dems who voted No on reform are from the state: Heath Shuler, Mike McIntyre, and Larry Kissell.
The new project is an outgrowth of SEIU’s earlier vow to hold House Dems accountable for voting against heatlh reform and against labor’s interests in general. That said, presuming the party qualifies at all, it remains to be seen how much clout it will wield.
But will it be as big as the Tea Party is to the right?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:26pm |
re: #148 jamesfirecat
Mrs. Palin this is for the Presidency, spell Onamonapia...
Spell what?
Did you by any chance mean onomatopoeia?
I didn't think it possible on this board, but we may have here someone who is even dumber than Sarah.
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:30pm |
re: #144 swamprat
OK. But when you talk about a "surgical" nuke, You could get the same effect with large conventional weapons;
oui/non?
The United States, Russia, China, France and England (maybe Israel) all have their nuclear deterrents hidden on way or another. Either under the water (subs) (This is the only ICBMs France and England have) or in trucks (Yes the Russians have huge truck they move around carrying ICBMs) or in hardened silos.
North Korea, and maybe Iran in the future just won't have the throw weight for an effective first strike.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:34pm |
re: #171 Bagua
Elections are more about voting against who one doesn't like.
hush... you will harsh some mellows.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:39pm |
re: #175 albusteve
And she would never go to a lesbian themed sex show.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:50pm |
re: #176 laZardo
The same way you get the extra 'i' in "Aluminium."
But you spell Through "T-H-R-U" and I'm with you on that because we spell it "THRUFF!"
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:53pm |
re: #161 Charles
Yes, absolutely I do. Mike Huckabee is her biggest rival, and she aces him on the religious fanatic front. Plus she wears red power suits and says "You betcha!"
Mitt Romney doesn't have a chance with the evangelicals. Just not going to happen.
Palin drew 10,000 wingnuts to that rally in Minnesota, and they drooled over her every word.
And she's almost certainly going to win the straw poll at the Souther Republican Leadership Conference.
Sarah Palin is the "future" of the GOP. By which I mean "the past," which is where the GOP lives.
I'm not sure how to respond to that.
Welcome to Obama's 2nd term?
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blueraven Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:56:56pm |
re: #57 brookly red
OK let me explain. If we have a certain amount of delivery systems dedicated to our nuclear deterrence only and none others to deal with any conventional threats... surprise no military except the nukes! Iraq or Yugoslavia would not have been an option. We have no conventional capabilities left period... neutered. NO Military left other than nukes. Not good.
Wow, our military leaders are just a bunch of yahoo dumbasses.
//
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:57:12pm |
re: #168 Charles
My I recommend my friend Geoff Nunmberg's book on that subject?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:57:20pm |
re: #168 Charles
I don't know. There's some words I know how to read but not pronounce and wouldn't attempt until I heard somebody else first. English is a funny language, esp when it isn't.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:57:32pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Taxes will go up. But don't fall prey to ODS, Brookly. This treaty is not something that will emasculate our conventional forces. And even if it would, there are enough GOP votes to kill it in the Senate. Obama knows this. He's not going to sign a treaty he knows would never pass. He's not that big a fool. I ask you to trust me on this.
I trust you... I just think you are wrong.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:57:32pm |
re: #161 Charles
Yes, absolutely I do. Mike Huckabee is her biggest rival, and she aces him on the religious fanatic front. Plus she wears red power suits and says "You betcha!"
Mitt Romney doesn't have a chance with the evangelicals. Just not going to happen.
Palin drew 10,000 wingnuts to that rally in Minnesota, and they drooled over her every word.
And she's almost certainly going to win the straw poll at the Souther Republican Leadership Conference.
Sarah Palin is the "future" of the GOP. By which I mean "the past," which is where the GOP lives.
Conservatism at its finest. I still don't get why (at least from the gist of the articles posted) there's still some distinction between where the GOP is headed and conservatism in general.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:57:35pm |
There's a real nucular:
...there is also a pre-existing though rarely used word in botany, "nucular" which is defined as "of or related to a nucule", which is a section of a compound (usually hard) fruit.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:58:05pm |
re: #166 Unakite
Yes, rather than ushering in the apocalypse, let's get the engineers involved (and I'm not even an engineer).
as i confessed a few nights back, i've studied some geology -- so let's get those engineers on it, so i can get a job crunching data for some of them...
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:58:10pm |
re: #184 blueraven
Wow, our military leaders are just a bunch of yahoo dumbasses.
//
and you do what?
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:58:11pm |
re: #149 reine.de.tout
Crap.
Everybody I know screws up when they talk, some more often than others.I tend to be less forgiving of it when I know a person's mind doesn't function as smartly as it should.
I agree. I have to fight the battle between having enough booze/courage to post and not so much I make a fool of myself. I should probably stop soon maybe sooner.
Jimmy Carter didn't pronounce nuclear correctly either and I think he was Nuke Navy
I do so enjoy my time spent here.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:58:25pm |
re: #168 Charles
How in the world do you get "nucular" out of "nuclear?" Good grief.
I cringed every time I heard W mispronounce this easily pronounceable word.
The same way you get "warsh" out of wash. We live in Texas.
Oh the shame.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:58:37pm |
re: #183 CarleeCork
I'm not sure how to respond to that.
Welcome to Obama's 2nd term?
If the Dems add a VAT tax, Obama can forget any chance at a second term.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:58:52pm |
re: #187 brookly red
I trust you... I just think you are wrong.
What makes you think so? What have you heard?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:01pm |
re: #178 Cato the Elder
Spell what?
Did you by any chance mean onomatopoeia?
I didn't think it possible on this board, but we may have here someone who is even dumber than Sarah.
Jeeze yu mispeeel onee worde....
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:04pm |
re: #193 CarleeCork
The same way you get "warsh" out of wash. We live in Texas.
Oh the shame.
Where y'all at?
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pharmmajor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:07pm |
Forget Obama, forget Palin; vote Penn/Teller in 2012.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:38pm |
re: #181 freetoken
And she would never go to a lesbian themed sex show.
Well, if she did, I got ten bucks says that Chris Mathews' leg would surely tingle again.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:43pm |
re: #175 albusteve
and most of all...she has a cheery, toothy smile...she's in like Flynt imo
And don't forget the legs. I know I will get downdinged for that.....again.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:47pm |
re: #192 compound idaho
I agree. I have to fight the battle between having enough booze/courage to post and not so much I make a fool of myself. I should probably stop soon maybe sooner.
Jimmy Carter didn't pronounce nuclear correctly either and I think he was Nuke Navy
I do so enjoy my time spent here.
My grandmother mispronounced "replica" 'til the day she died.
She said - rah PLICK ah.
LOL.
And she was no dummy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:51pm |
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 8:59:56pm |
re: #161 Charles
Yep. Chris Bowers over at Open Left makes a similar case:
[Link: www.openleft.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:00:03pm |
re: #156 CarleeCork
Hell, they pulled Palin out of their ass for VP.
So, who would you see being capable of winning?
No snark, just curious!
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Girth Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:00:05pm |
Jon Stewart had a great segment where he showed the Palin-Bachmann Overdrive bashing Obama for wanting to get rid of nukes and pining for Reagan, who would never be so weak, followed immediately by Reagan's speech where he said that we should all strive for a world without nukes.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:00:18pm |
re: #198 pharmmajor
Forget Obama, forget Palin; vote Penn/Teller in 2012.
Jon Stewart for President.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:00:58pm |
re: #163 Escaped Hillbilly
Charles, the word nuclear was actually pronounced nuc-u-lar during the inception of the US nuclear program. There were two camps and eventually, nu-cle-ar won out. But it was really just preference. It is likely he grew up (in Texas I can almost guarantee it) hearing it said that way. Did he understand its meaning and use it properly? Then why the constant harping on it? My mom still says she warshes her clothes in the zinc after all.
There is simply no way under the rules of English pronunciation that "noo-kyew-luhr" could ever be correct. Or do you think "noo-kyew-luss" is also a valid option for "nucleus"?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:00:59pm |
re: #161 Charles
SIGH.
This political wilderness sucks.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:01:19pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:01:31pm |
re: #169 reine.de.tout
I still confuse with the the Perdue Chicken guy, or maybe Orville Redenbacher. I thought people were just joking about the guy for the longest time. I was young and naive. (Oh, I just rememer, Charles, I used to say Nayv :-0)
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:01:31pm |
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:01:31pm |
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Clemente Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:01:44pm |
re: #178 Cato the Elder
Spell what?
Did you by any chance mean onomatopoeia?
I didn't think it possible on this board, but we may have here someone who is even dumber than Sarah.
Smack!!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:02:03pm |
re: #205 Girth
Jon Stewart had a great segment where he showed the Palin-Bachmann Overdrive bashing Obama for wanting to get rid of nukes and pining for Reagan, who would never be so weak, followed immediately by Reagan's speech where he said that we should all strive for a world without nukes.
As good as it was, his bit on Union Appreciation Month was even better if you ask me.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:02:12pm |
re: #195 Dark_Falcon
What makes you think so? What have you heard?
I can count, it is not the war heads it's the delivery systems... I am all for less warheads, but this is like the assault weapon ban, all feel good not substance.
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:02:15pm |
re: #179 Kilroy01
The United States, Russia, China, France and England (maybe Israel) all have their nuclear deterrents hidden on way or another. Either under the water (subs) (This is the only ICBMs France and England have) or in trucks (Yes the Russians have huge truck they move around carrying ICBMs) or in hardened silos.
North Korea, and maybe Iran in the future just won't have the throw weight for an effective first strike.
I'm not a military genius, but I'm not sure how a first strike with nukes wouldn't be effective. And I (think) I understand throw weight. What if it was an unconventional delivery system?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:02:23pm |
If Sarah gets the GOP nomination in '12, she will probably ask Glenn Beck to be her VP.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:02:34pm |
re: #207 laZardo
Fix'd.
Yeah America isn't ready for a Jewish President, at least we've already had one Catholic....
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drcordell Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:03:00pm |
Palin's so stupid she can't even remember Reagan's stance on arms reduction.
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shiplord kirel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:03:05pm |
re: #163 Escaped Hillbilly
Charles, the word nuclear was actually pronounced nuc-u-lar during the inception of the US nuclear program. There were two camps and eventually, nu-cle-ar won out. But it was really just preference. It is likely he grew up (in Texas I can almost guarantee it) hearing it said that way. Did he understand its meaning and use it properly? Then why the constant harping on it? My mom still says she warshes her clothes in the zinc after all.
When I first moved to Lubbock, a convenience store clerk actually corrected me when I asked for regular (reg-yoo-lur) gas. "You mean reg-luh don't you?"
She would probably have pronounced "nuclear" as "nook-luh." Nook-yuh-lur is actually a step up on the scale of erudition in these parts. Some of you have heard my Ozark drawl, so I am scarcely a snob about these things, but there is a difference between dialect and plain ignorance.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:03:11pm |
re: #219 Alouette
If Sarah gets the GOP nomination in '12, she will probably ask Glenn Beck to be her VP.
This is begging for another Munch scream, but LGF seems to self-limit the number of repeated characters...
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:03:42pm |
re: #208 Cato the Elder
There is simply no way under the rules of English pronunciation that "noo-kyew-luhr" could ever be correct. Or do you think "noo-kyew-luss" is also a valid option for "nucleus"?
/ the Japanese pronunciation is rather bass.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:03:49pm |
re: #220 jamesfirecat
Yeah America isn't ready for a Jewish President, at least we've already had one Catholic...
I like Jon Stewart and Dr. Bagelman
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:03:57pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:04:06pm |
re: #219 Alouette
If Sarah gets the GOP nomination in '12, she will probably ask Glenn Beck to be her VP.
On the Tea Party ticket!
Hahahahahaha!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:04:56pm |
re: #161 Charles
Uh Oh. I must admit to already being on record here thinking she will not be the nominees. Well we'll see. If it's Palin vs Obama, it will be a bigger landslide than Reagan. Obama with maybe 75% of the popular.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:05:37pm |
re: #208 Cato the Elder
I don't think any such thing. I was relating the fact that the people who started the whole mess thought it was acceptable. And some people in some regions pronounce things funny. And who freaking cares?
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:05:58pm |
re: #220 jamesfirecat
Yeah America isn't ready for a Jewish President, at least we've already had one Catholic...
And he got shot.
/WELL, HE DID.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:06:14pm |
re: #223 Querent
This is begging for another Munch scream, but LGF seems to self-limit the number of repeated characters...
You can outsmart it, observe!
NOOOooo000OOO!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:06:41pm |
re: #203 Lidane
Yep. Chris Bowers over at Open Left makes a similar case:
[Link: www.openleft.com...]
Yep. Never thought I'd say it, but I agree with Chris Bowers. Palin's going to be the nominee, unless something huge happens before 2012.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:06:45pm |
re: #227 NJDhockeyfan
On the Tea Party ticket!
Hahahahahaha!
personalities will win elections from now on...BO opened the door and the celebrity candidates will pour through...if you don't think Palin has a chance for a nomination, then you are not paying attention
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:06:47pm |
re: #231 jamesfirecat
It's a 3 character limit, in case anyone was wondering.
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Girth Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:06:50pm |
re: #221 drcordell
Palin's so stupid she can't even remember Reagan's stance on arms reduction.
It's not a matter of remembering, she never bothered to know in the first place.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:06:51pm |
re: #231 jamesfirecat
You can outsmart it, observe!
NOOOooo000OOO!
James.
You just get funnier and funnier.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:07:01pm |
Sarah Palin is a women (we all think, anyway...)
There has never been a female Presidential nominee by a major party (VP yes... twice - both lost.)
I still believe it will be harder for a female to become President of the US than for a black male.
Suspect that there are plenty of operatives in the various GOP camps who will do what they can to derail the Sarah bandwagon.
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brookly red Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:07:03pm |
ack! I gotta go... there is a curse upon me at might-night I turn into a boyfriend. Any one got a a silver bullet?
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blueraven Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:07:35pm |
re: #191 brookly red
and you do what?
I do very well, thanks for asking? Not sure what you are asking.
Are you some kind of military expert since you seem to know better than Gates and Mullen.
You do what?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:07:44pm |
re: #236 reine.de.tout
James.
You just get funnier and funnier.
Yeah I come on annoying at first but over time....
CO-STANZA!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:07:48pm |
re: #239 brookly red
ack! I gotta go... there is a curse upon me at might-night I turn into a boyfriend. Any one got a a silver bullet?
g'night Brookly.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:07:48pm |
blah.. pimf "woman"
unless of course she is one of those shape-shifter multiple personality types...
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:08:02pm |
re: #205 Girth
Except that isn't clever because they are saying two different things. We should strive for a world that is perfect. But it isn't and we should, right now, not get rid of our defenses against the very real threats posed by others who aren't quite as high minded.
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:08:41pm |
re: #239 brookly red
ack! I gotta go... there is a curse upon me at might-night I turn into a boyfriend. Any one got a a silver bullet?
Coors Light?
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:09:06pm |
re: #204 Floral Giraffe
So, who would you see being capable of winning?
No snark, just curious!
Twelve years ago.....McCain. I liked him when he ran against Dubya.
Now? I don't know.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:09:06pm |
re: #232 Charles
Yep. Never thought I'd say it, but I agree with Chris Bowers. Palin's going to be the nominee, unless something huge happens before 2012.
That does it, you brought it on.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
I feal much better now.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:09:34pm |
re: #238 freetoken
Sarah Palin is a women (we all think, anyway...)
There has never been a female Presidential nominee by a major party (VP yes... twice - both lost.)
I still believe it will be harder for a female to become President of the US than for a black male.
Suspect that there are plenty of operatives in the various GOP camps who will do what they can to derail the Sarah bandwagon.
I don't want her to lose because she is a woman.
I want her to lose, or better yet! Not run, because she is a quitter.
And, not very bright, among other things.
I'd vote for Condaleeza Rice in a heartbeat, but then, I also liked Henry Kissinger. Gosh, where did all the smart people go? They sure aren't in politics, now.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:09:43pm |
re: #245 Escaped Hillbilly
not only that, we should also accept that there are others who aren't quite as high-minded.
(one fundamental flaw of which many Lizards are aware, that affects many of those noble peace-seekers out there)
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pharmmajor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:09:46pm |
re: #232 Charles
Yep. Never thought I'd say it, but I agree with Chris Bowers. Palin's going to be the nominee, unless something huge happens before 2012.
Do you think that there's a strong chance for a third party candidate in 2012, Charles?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:10:18pm |
re: #205 Girth
Jon Stewart had a great segment where he showed the Palin-Bachmann Overdrive bashing Obama for wanting to get rid of nukes and pining for Reagan, who would never be so weak, followed immediately by Reagan's speech where he said that we should all strive for a world without nukes.
Bachmann-Palin gets PWNED. Ha ha!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:10:22pm |
re: #245 Escaped Hillbilly
Except that isn't clever because they are saying two different things. We should strive for a world that is perfect. But it isn't and we should, right now, not get rid of our defenses against the very real threats posed by others who aren't quite as high minded.
We're not getting rid of our nuclear defenses. We're just reducing our nuclear arms to the point where we can destroy the world 100 times, instead of 1000 times.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:10:42pm |
re: #249 Floral Giraffe
I don't want her to lose because she is a woman.
I want her to lose, or better yet! Not run, because she is a quitter.
And, not very bright, among other things.
I'd vote for Condaleeza Rice in a heartbeat, but then, I also liked Henry Kissinger. Gosh, where did all the smart people go? They sure aren't in politics, now.
Rice/Kissinger 2012!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:10:57pm |
re: #251 pharmmajor
Do you think that there's a strong chance for a third party candidate in 2012, Charles?
Define "Strong chance" If you mean get around a tenth of the vote sure. If you mean a third party candidate beat out a sitting president? Not unless Obama takes part in a major f*** up...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:11:14pm |
re: #251 pharmmajor
Do you think that there's a strong chance for a third party candidate in 2012, Charles?
Nope.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:11:23pm |
re: #247 CarleeCork
Twelve years ago...McCain. I liked him when he ran against Dubya.
Now? I don't know.
McCain is washed up...too bad he doesn't have any interest in raising Arabians or whatever...he's the consummate senator...$$$$$
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:11:28pm |
Quetzalcoatl in 2012 -- a Snake on a Higher Plane
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:11:31pm |
re: #254 NJDhockeyfan
Rice/Kissinger 2012!
Nah, Henry's too old. Condi's too smart to want this stuff.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:11:35pm |
Did I see a twinkle in George's eye? President Obama should have stopped at "no comment". Stay Presidential.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:11:58pm |
OT-I got a message on my cell phone from Bridgette Gabriel today, telling me about a meeting in D.C. My cell is a pay-as-you-go one. How the hell did the org get my number? Phone list?
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:12:03pm |
re: #253 Charles
We're not getting rid of our nuclear defenses. We're just reducing our nuclear arms to the point where we can destroy the world 100 times, instead of 1000 times.
And realizing some savings (which can be spent on more conventional defense needs) instead of having to pay to renew the entire arsenal.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:12:03pm |
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:12:43pm |
re: #256 Charles
Nope.
I think there may be a third party candidate, they just can't win.
Not yet, but the day is coming for us moderates.
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The Yankee Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:13:35pm |
Do you guys think that the republicans in congress will actually vote against this. It is one thing to make thing up about the health care bill. But this very clearly states the obvious, and i think most people in America much less the world would like this.
With the exception of idiots that think we should of use nukes in Vietnam..
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:13:44pm |
re: #260 joest73
Did I see a twinkle in George's eye? President Obama should have stopped at "no comment". Stay Presidential.
I think that NJD has made it very clear that being presidential means standing up to your enemies...
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:13:55pm |
re: #261 Cannadian Club Akbar
OT-I got a message on my cell phone from Bridgette Gabriel today, telling me about a meeting in D.C. My cell is a pay-as-you-go one. How the hell did the org get my number? Phone list?
hang on...Kieth is on the other line
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:13:55pm |
re: #218 Unakite
I'm not a military genius, but I'm not sure how a first strike with nukes wouldn't be effective. And I (think) I understand throw weight. What if it was an unconventional delivery system?
Neither am I. But it doesn't matter if you are attacking your enemies nuclear assets with conventional or nuclear weapons if you don't know where they are. That is why we put them on subs. If you can't find the subs, you can't kill them.
Keeping in mind one submarine can deliver upwards of 160 200kt warheads (your mileage may vary) within a few yards of it target.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:14:37pm |
re: #232 Charles
Yep. Never thought I'd say it, but I agree with Chris Bowers. Palin's going to be the nominee, unless something huge happens before 2012.
No. You know how some of these guys say that God won't allow AGW to screw up the planet for us? God won't allow Sarah Palin to run for President.
I have to believe this.
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Girth Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:14:43pm |
re: #265 CarleeCork
I think there may be a third party candidate, they just can't win.
Not yet, but the day is coming for us moderates.
Don't hold your breath. The game is rigged.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:15:00pm |
re: #266 The Yankee
Do you guys think that the republicans in congress will actually vote against this. It is one thing to make thing up about the health care bill. But this very clearly states the obvious, and i think most people in America much less the world would like this.
With the exception of idiots that think we should of use nukes in Vietnam..
never heard that one
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:15:31pm |
re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist
No. You know how some of these guys say that God won't allow AGW to screw up the planet for us? God won't allow Sarah Palin to run for President.
I have to believe this.
From your lips, to God's ears. PLEASE!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:15:31pm |
re: #266 The Yankee
Do you guys think that the republicans in congress will actually vote against this. It is one thing to make thing up about the health care bill. But this very clearly states the obvious, and i think most people in America much less the world would like this.
With the exception of idiots that think we should of use nukes in Vietnam..
If this treaty is what Brookly thinks it is, then it will be voted down. If it's what I think it is, it will probably be ratified.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:15:41pm |
re: #249 Floral Giraffe
I don't want her to lose because she is a woman.
I want her to lose, or better yet! Not run, because she is a quitter.
And, not very bright, among other things.
I'd vote for Condaleeza Rice in a heartbeat, but then, I also liked Henry Kissinger. Gosh, where did all the smart people go? They sure aren't in politics, now.
If I was Sarah Palin, I'd rather be a pundit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:16:17pm |
re: #254 NJDhockeyfan
Rice/Kissinger 2012!
I'm considering the possibility that I might be moved to vote for them.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:16:43pm |
re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist
No. You know how some of these guys say that God won't allow AGW to screw up the planet for us?
And how does that go,
Pray like God is your only hope.
Then work like He doesn't exist.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:16:50pm |
re: #267 jamesfirecat
I think that NJD has made it very clear that being presidential means standing up to your enemies...
Enemies of the USA, not political opponents.
/But you knew that.
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:17:48pm |
She’s an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, fanatically religious, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
Gee, it almost sounds as if you dislike Mrs. Palin for some reason, maybe I'm just reading something into it that you didn't mean though.
/ *wink*
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:17:53pm |
re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist
If I was Sarah Palin, I'd rather be a pundit.
Yep. She can make way more money spouting to her fans on a prime time show.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:18:41pm |
re: #277 Querent
And how does that go,
Pray like God is your only hope.
Then work like He doesn't exist.
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
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The Yankee Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:19:27pm |
re: #272 albusteve
My dad is a vet he says it all the time and not while drunk. And he isnt the only one that says it.
I wonder what this country would look like with Palin as president.
It could happen Texas is getting more electoral votes and the Obama's presidency has been underwhelming at least as far as the economy goes.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:19:41pm |
re: #280 Racer X
Yep. She can make way more money spouting to her fans on a prime time show.
power trumps money in the short run...after that the money rolls in
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:19:45pm |
re: #280 Racer X
Yep. She can make way more money spouting to her fans on a prime time show.
Choose her own gigs, never have to make the hard choices, never have to lose. The money is better than being president, too.
I can't see the upside to running.
But I don't totally get how Palin thinks.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:19:59pm |
re: #272 albusteve
never heard that one
I believe LBJ & Nixon both discussed using nukes in Vietnam.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:19:59pm |
re: #271 Girth
Don't hold your breath. The game is rigged.
I can always hope, I have grandchildren that I love.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:20:05pm |
re: #249 Floral Giraffe
I'd vote for Condaleeza Rice in a heartbeat, but then, I also liked Henry Kissinger.
I can't imagine how to reconcile those two ideas. I'm a Condi Rice fan, but I think there's a for-real, no-shit, non-hyperbolic case to be made that Kissinger is a war criminal.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:20:20pm |
re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist
If I was Sarah Palin, I'd rather be a pundit.
It's much easier to be sheltered from the tough questions if you're just a pundit. There's no way she could sustain her media bubble if she ran for the presidency.
Still, I think that both Charles and Chris Bowers are making a convincing case for Sarah being the nominee in 2012. Scary thought, that. But at the rate she's going, it's entirely possible.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:20:28pm |
re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist
No. You know how some of these guys say that God won't allow AGW to screw up the planet for us? God won't allow Sarah Palin to run for President.
I have to believe this.
OTOH, maybe her running for president could be the best thing to happen. An unmistakable brutal defeat on the order of Mondale could be great for America.
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Earwig Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:20:43pm |
Obama saluted our "corpse-man" earlier this year. Oopsie! That qualifies him for the dim bulb label.
It's sad how the conversation here went from the deadly serious issue about nuclear policy to a misogynous ad hominem contest.
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:20:44pm |
re: #282 The Yankee
I wonder what this country would look like with Palin as president.
See Somalia..
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:20:46pm |
re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
That's a nice way of stating it!
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
Greetings from the bottom of the Bay, and keep up the good work! i shall continue to seek gainful employ among the greentech startups and nibble on my Israeli Solidarity Crackers, which i do for every Passover...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:21:13pm |
re: #285 jaunte
Will you have photo links?
Someone will. I'll link 'em here if I can get permission.
QUIT just freaks me out.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:22:07pm |
re: #291 Earwig
Another sleeper awakes.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:22:10pm |
re: #168 Charles
How in the world do you get "nucular" out of "nuclear?" Good grief.
I cringed every time I heard W mispronounce this easily pronounceable word.
The Latin "nuculus"(sp?) is the base for nuclear. My science teacher said that early on, both words were used, then one pronunciation became more prevalent. He said all the fuss about the pronunciation was a lot of wind. This was in about 1970.
I was going to link to him to show how he was all famous and worked for NASA, but I can't find him anymore.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:22:18pm |
re: #291 Earwig
upding for the second part.
as for corpse-man, i think i'd prefer to remain blissfully ignorant of that meme...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:22:20pm |
re: #288 negativ
I can't imagine how to reconcile those two ideas. I'm a Condi Rice fan, but I think there's a for-real, no-shit, non-hyperbolic case to be made that Kissinger is a war criminal.
Me too, on both counts. On the other hand, since the bastard is still smart as hell, and will never be called to account, maybe we can give him one last chance to serve his country.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:22:25pm |
re: #294 SanFranciscoZionist
They would seem to be working against their own interests.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:23:01pm |
re: #282 The Yankee
My dad is a vet he says it all the time and not while drunk. And he isnt the only one that says it.
I wonder what this country would look like with Palin as president.
It could happen Texas is getting more electoral votes and the Obama's presidency has been underwhelming at least as far as the economy goes.
there were not any nuclear targets in that war...unless you are talking nuke Ho Chi Min City...as for Palin, I shudder to even consider it, even tho it is a likely possibility she would get the GOP nomination
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:23:06pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
Choose her own gigs, never have to make the hard choices, never have to lose. The money is better than being president, too.
I can't see the upside to running.
But I don't totally get how Palin thinks.
She quit her job as governor to go for the big bucks. She said so.
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:23:34pm |
The ultimate goal for mankind should be the elimination of all nuclear weapons. Any step in that direction that takes into consideration the security of this nation is a good step.
Sheers numbers of warheads are meaningless. If in the context of a cold war like state survivability of the delivery systems is paramount. Submarine based SLBMs are one of the most stealth methods of delivery available. To that end the USA currently has 1,728 SLBM warheads compared to Russia with 624. This is approximately an advantage of 3 to 1.
Regardless of this and other technical issues the Cold War ended decades ago. We are no longer and should not longer be in an arms race with Russia. Sheer numbers of nuclear weapons do not tell the whole story.
For facts on the new posture the 2010 Nuclear Posture Review is available on line.
It's important to remember that START does not mean the unilateral disarmament of our nuclear capability:
Building on NPR analysis, the United States and Russia have agreed to mutual limits under the New START:
A limit of 1,550 accountable strategic warheads;
A separate limit of 700 deployed ICBMs, deployed SLBMs, and deployed nuclear-capable
heavy bombers; andA combined limit of 800 deployed and non-deployed ICBM launchers, SLBM launchers, and nuclear capable heavy bombers.
I don't think you would want to be above ground in the event that those 1,550 warheads were ever detonated in the course of a week.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:00pm |
re: #296 swamprat
The Latin "nuculus"(sp?) is the base for nuclear. My science teacher said that early on, both words were used, then one pronunciation became more prevalent. He said all the fuss about the pronunciation was a lot of wind. This was in about 1970.
I was going to link to him to show how he was all famous and worked for NASA, but I can't find him anymore.
Absolutely not true.
The word "nuclear" comes from the word "nucleus," and it has never been pronounced "nuculus" by anyone except people who are ignorant and lazy about language.
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:02pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh now I want to see Kissinger Birth Certificate..
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:12pm |
re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
Sounds like a good time!
Hooray!
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:33pm |
re: #290 WindUpBird
An unmistakable brutal defeat on the order of Mondale could be great for America.
It took the Mondale curb-stomping for the Democrats to finally start moving to the center as an institutional party. I think it will take an equal electoral beatdown for the Republicans to finally exile the socons and theocrats and get back to a more sane place.
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:33pm |
re: #258 Querent
Quetzalcoatl in 2012 -- a Snake on a Higher Plane
No, name's too hard to pronounce, and looks foreign. :)
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:37pm |
re: #303 Charles
Absolutely not true.
The word "nuclear" comes from the word "nucleus," and it has never been pronounced "nuculus" by anyone except people who are ignorant and lazy about language.
Fer sher.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:24:56pm |
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:25:00pm |
re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
Israel lets open gays serve in the IDF. I wonder if they conveniently "forget" that.
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:25:11pm |
re: #288 negativ
I can't imagine how to reconcile those two ideas. I'm a Condi Rice fan, but I think there's a for-real, no-shit, non-hyperbolic case to be made that Kissinger is a war criminal.
how so?...got some back up?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:25:21pm |
re: #297 Querent
upding for the second part.
as for corpse-man, i think i'd prefer to remain blissfully ignorant of that meme...
Its pretty innocent, Obama ended up pronouncing a non exsistant "E" when talking about the an army corps...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:25:35pm |
re: #291 Earwig
Earwig are annoying and nasty. Given the way they can burrow into wood and sometimes nip those unfortunate enough to trip over them, they're the perfect avatar for a sleeper.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:25:59pm |
re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
"Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism"?
I'm speechless.
Really.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:26:28pm |
The word nuclear comes from the Latin nucleus, which means core, or inner part.
Nuclear energy (also called atomic energy) is liberated by the disintegration of the nuclei of certain atoms, the unstable atoms. To gain stability, the unstable atoms are transformed into another type of atom, liberating energy in the form of radiation; this is the phenomenon known as radioactivity.
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palomino Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:26:52pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
But she still has no convincing answer as to why she quit her term as Gov. Shouldn't that be a dealbreaker for GOP primary voters, even if the teabag right still swoons over her?
I really don't think the establishment of the party wants her to do more than cheerlead at rallies. Maybe they no longer have the power to stop her. At least it will be entertaining.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:26:52pm |
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:26:56pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
If this treaty is what Brookly thinks it is, then it will be voted down. If it's what I think it is, it will probably be ratified.
The treaty will limit both sides to 1550 active warheads, those that are on land based, sub launched, or bomber carried active status. It will also allow another 800 warheads on each side that are "non-deployed" as in down for maintenance or inspection, stored in bunkers, whatever...
Considering that it only would take about 85 warheads to kill 80% of the Russian population I fail to see a problem here. So we agree to reduce our capacity to kill them from 56 times to only about 26 times? Plus we cut some major costs by having to maintain thousands of unneeded warheads that would never be used even in an all out war?
Count me in as a supporter, anything else is just stupid machismo.
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Bagua Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:27:18pm |
re: #280 Racer X
Yep. She can make way more money spouting to her fans on a prime time show.
Money is not the only motivator, there is also power and respect.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:27:26pm |
re: #238 freetoken
Sarah Palin is a women (we all think, anyway...)
There has never been a female Presidential nominee by a major party (VP yes... twice - both lost.)
I still believe it will be harder for a female to become President of the US than for a black male.
Hillary Clinton?
/oh wait, she's not a woman.
// q:
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:27:42pm |
re: #302 Gus 802
The ultimate goal for mankind should be the elimination of all nuclear weapons. Any step in that direction that takes into consideration the security of this nation is a good step.
Sheers numbers of warheads are meaningless. If in the context of a cold war like state survivability of the delivery systems is paramount. Submarine based SLBMs are one of the most stealth methods of delivery available. To that end the USA currently has 1,728 SLBM warheads compared to Russia with 624. This is approximately an advantage of 3 to 1.
Regardless of this and other technical issues the Cold War ended decades ago. We are no longer and should not longer be in an arms race with Russia. Sheer numbers of nuclear weapons do not tell the whole story.
For facts on the new posture the 2010 Nuclear Posture Review is available on line.
It's important to remember that START does not mean the unilateral disarmament of our nuclear capability:
I don't think you would want to be above ground in the event that those 1,550 warheads were ever detonated in the course of a week.
I wonder: Does 1 sub count as 1 launcher, or does it count for as many launchers as the number of missiles it carries.
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:27:52pm |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
"Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism"
Ah, the radical members of QUIT.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:27:59pm |
re: #317 palomino
The problem is, the teabag right are the primary voters and grassroots activists. As long as they're on her side, she has a real shot.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:28:00pm |
re: #289 Lidane
It's much easier to be sheltered from the tough questions if you're just a pundit. There's no way she could sustain her media bubble if she ran for the presidency.
Still, I think that both Charles and Chris Bowers are making a convincing case for Sarah being the nominee in 2012. Scary thought, that. But at the rate she's going, it's entirely possible.
My recurrent question about Palin as the Republican nominee is that she's never, AFAIK, had to go up against a hostile fellow Republican. And based on what I have seen, any other potential Republican candidate will be able to beat her into the ground with one hand tied behind his/her back. She knows nothing about policy, that I can tell. A bright seventeen-year-old Young Republican campaign volunteer could take her down.
Is cute and peppy, and gosh-darn patriotic really going to pull her through any form of primary debate?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:28:06pm |
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:28:07pm |
re: #320 Bagua
Money is not the only motivator, there is also power and respect.
"First you get the money. Then you get the power. Then you get the woman."
- Rosie O'Donnell
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:28:40pm |
re: #320 Bagua
Money is not the only motivator, there is also power and respect.
[Video]
- The Lox - feat DMX and Lil Kim
First you get the sugar, then you get the money money, then you get the power, then you get the women!
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:28:55pm |
re: #269 Kilroy01
Neither am I. But it doesn't matter if you are attacking your enemies nuclear assets with conventional or nuclear weapons if you don't know where they are. That is why we put them on subs. If you can't find the subs, you can't kill them.
Keeping in mind one submarine can deliver upwards of 160 200kt warheads (your mileage may vary) within a few yards of it target.
I agree. But I don't think they would be trying to target our military assets. Is the correct term asymmetric warfare? I think they would go straight for high-density civilian populations.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:29:09pm |
re: #317 palomino
But she still has no convincing answer as to why she quit her term as Gov. Shouldn't that be a dealbreaker for GOP primary voters, even if the teabag right still swoons over her?
It won't be. The wingnut right has either completely forgotten about that, or found a way to rationalize it.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:29:12pm |
re: #329 jamesfirecat
First you get the sugar, then you get the money money, then you get the power, then you get the women!
GMTAish
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:29:17pm |
re: #322 Dark_Falcon
I wonder: Does 1 sub count as 1 launcher, or does it count for as many launchers as the number of missiles it carries?
PIMF
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:29:28pm |
re: #322 Dark_Falcon
I wonder: Does 1 sub count as 1 launcher, or does it count for as many launchers as the number of missiles it carries.
I imagine it would be the number of launchers on each sub.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:29:29pm |
re: #299 jaunte
They would seem to be working against their own interests.
We keep trying to point that out...
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:29:50pm |
re: #253 Charles
Ok, but I wasn't arguiing that point. I was pointing out that Reagan didn't ever say we should get rid of all (or most) nukes now (he did reduce them though) he just said we ought to "strive" to move in that direction, leaving it a little loose as to exactly when and how.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:30:00pm |
re: #301 Racer X
She quit her job as governor to go for the big bucks. She said so.
Is that what she said? I remember something about basketball, and fish swimming upstream to spawn...
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:30:07pm |
re: #330 Unakite
I think they would go straight for high-density civilian populations.
Then we are all dead. That is what MAD is all about.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:30:18pm |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist
My recurrent question about Palin as the Republican nominee is that she's never, AFAIK, had to go up against a hostile fellow Republican. And based on what I have seen, any other potential Republican candidate will be able to beat her into the ground with one hand tied behind his/her back. She knows nothing about policy, that I can tell. A bright seventeen-year-old Young Republican campaign volunteer could take her down.
Is cute and peppy, and gosh-darn patriotic really going to pull her through any form of primary debate?
I think there might be a return to some semblance of at least 'tactical sanity' on the part of the Republican party before she gets the nomination.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:30:24pm |
re: #332 laZardo
GMTAish
Yeah I would have posted first but I decided halfway through to throw in a Simpson's reference....
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pharmmajor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:30:49pm |
Here's my ideal candidate for 2012, a guy who can blow Palin and Obama out of the water (if the media will actually give him coverage, that is):
[Link: www.rootforamerica.com...]
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:30:50pm |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist
Is cute and peppy, and gosh-darn patriotic really going to pull her through any form of primary debate?
Yes, I think it will. The right wing doesn't care about things like expertise and knowledge. The qualities you listed are far more important to the GOP base.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:31:09pm |
re: #310 laZardo
Israel lets open gays serve in the IDF. I wonder if they conveniently "forget" that.
They deny anything that's not convenient to them.
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bosforus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:31:31pm |
re: #329 jamesfirecat
First you get the sugar, then you get the money money, then you get the power, then you get the women!
I finally get that Simpsons reference!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:31:34pm |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
"Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism"?
I'm speechless.
Really.
They have a website, if you really want your mind blown.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:31:35pm |
re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
Huh? Never heard of this one. Could you enlighten me?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:31:52pm |
re: #336 Escaped Hillbilly
Ok, but I wasn't arguiing that point. I was pointing out that Reagan didn't ever say we should get rid of all (or most) nukes now (he did reduce them though) he just said we ought to "strive" to move in that direction, leaving it a little loose as to exactly when and how.
Regan oversaw us signing a treaty with Russia that had both sides remove a third of their nukes.
The same way Obama is trying to.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:32:24pm |
re: #321 laZardo
Hillary Clinton?
/oh wait, she's not a woman.
// q:
Hillary got the job taken away from her and given to a man. A young man.
Yes, I am still bitter.
HILLLLARRREEEE!
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Girth Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:32:28pm |
re: #325 Lidane
The problem is, the teabag right are the primary voters and grassroots activists. As long as they're on her side, she has a real shot.
There were quite a few at RedState who were pretty turned off when she quit, IIRC.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:32:40pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
They have a website, if you really want your mind blown.
I saw that. Divestiture, boycott, right-of-return, basically blow up the status quo and hope for the best.
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:32:52pm |
re: #342 Charles
Yes, I think it will. The right wing doesn't care about things like expertise and knowledge. The qualities you listed are far more important to the GOP base.
Let's move on to the important question, do you think she can win?
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:33:08pm |
re: #292 Kilroy01
See Somalia..
I'm not a Palin fan but I've been to eastern Africa (Djibouti, just north of Somalia), and this might be a little over extreme, even for Sarah.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:33:11pm |
re: #342 Charles
And, I'm seriously trying to think of a governor, or congresscritter, or senator, that has the POSSIBILITY of building the momentum that brought Bush or Reagan into office.
I'll keep looking.
Pity that Romney isn't in a better position.
Or Guiliani.
But, there we are.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:34:08pm |
This will finish off the economy...
Volcker on the VAT
The middle class is where the money is.
Kudos for candor to Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve Chairman and current White House economic adviser, for admitting what other Democrats also know but don't want to admit until after the November election: The political class is preparing to pass a European-style value-added tax.
Answering a question at the New York Historical Society on Tuesday, Mr. Volcker said that a VAT—a consumption tax levied along stages of production—"was not as toxic an idea" as it has been, and that both a VAT and some kind of tax on energy need to be on the table. "If at the end of the day we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes," he said.
We've long predicted that this would be the White House fiscal strategy, and its new deficit commission is bound to propose something along these lines. In Europe, a VAT rate that reaches 20% in some countries applies to countless products and services, so the middle class would be hit especially hard.
Though Mr. Volcker didn't say this, he is acknowledging that taxes on the rich can't begin to finance the levels of new spending that the current government has unleashed. Even the expiration of the Bush tax rates next January and the new taxes in the health-care bill won't be enough.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:34:55pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
They have a website, if you really want your mind blown.
I'm very tempted to search given I'm feeling particularly devoid of hope for humanity tonight.
We could all die by Russian fart gas, for crying out loud. ):
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:35:48pm |
Palin? Obama? PLEASE!! We need a Vampire!!
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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albusteve Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:35:48pm |
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:35:54pm |
re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist
Is that what she said? I remember something about basketball, and fish swimming upstream to spawn...
Yes. She said she needed money to pay for her legal defense from all the lawsuits. Thats what she said. iirc.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:35:56pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
They have a website, if you really want your mind blown.
I'll check it tomorrow.
So nice and sleepy right now . . . don't want to ruin it.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:36:32pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I'm assuming (read: making an ass out of u and me) that this VAT is federal, not state or county, and thus is an insult to the existing injury of state and county sales tax?
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:36:39pm |
re: #353 Floral Giraffe
And, I'm seriously trying to think of a governor, or congresscritter, or senator, that has the POSSIBILITY of building the momentum that brought Bush or Reagan into office.
I'll keep looking.
Pity that Romney isn't in a better position.
Or Guiliani.
But, there we are.
I have to tell you, I'm a little concerned about Gov. Perry.
I believe he is being groomed for a presidential run.
Think Perry/Palin 2012?
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bosforus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:36:44pm |
re: #329 jamesfirecat
First you get the sugar, then you get the money money, then you get the power, then you get the women!
Alternate version: You don't have money, you don't have a car, you don't have a woman, and there you are.
Coincidentally I heard it on the radio today.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:37:01pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
You're going to pay for it. VAT or no VAT.
Are you surprised?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:37:26pm |
re: #302 Gus 802
Atomcentral puts together various resources on nuclear weapons. For background:
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:38:03pm |
The right wing blogs are already slobbering about the "methane apocalypse" post.
They've found out how to prevent disaster from a major methane outgassing event. All they have to do is call me "Chuckles." Problem solved!
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:38:25pm |
re: #349 Girth
There were quite a few at RedState who were pretty turned off when she quit, IIRC.
There are a lot of folks who got turned off when she quit, but she just attracted 10,000 people to a rally in Minnesota in April 2010. That's huge, and can't be ignored.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:38:32pm |
re: #360 Querent
I'm assuming (read: making an ass out of u and me) that this VAT is federal, not state or county, and thus is an insult to the existing injury of state and county sales tax?
They haven't given any details since Paul Volcker is the only one to admit it's being talked about. I heard they are looking at the European VAT tax as an example.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:39:11pm |
re: #366 Charles
They've found out how to prevent disaster from a major methane outgassing event. All they have to do is call me "Chuckles." Problem solved!
Gee, guess someone told them they could get the same Mickey-Mouse voice effect from breathing methane as they can from breathing helium...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:39:34pm |
re: #346 Escaped Hillbilly
Huh? Never heard of this one. Could you enlighten me?
Long story short: These are people who "stand in solidarity" with the terror scum who shot at you in Iraq. They hate Israel and think it practices "apartheid" (thank you very fucking much, Rabbit Bait Carter).
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Tigger2005 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:40:10pm |
I have to admit, I'm to the right of Ronald Reagan on the issue of a "nuke free world."
Margaret Thatcher said of Reagan's utopian dream, "Mr. Reagan says he wants to see a world free of nuclear weapons. I cannot imagine a world without nuclear weapons."
Sorry, humankind is nowhere near morally and ethically advanced enough to avoid massively destructive conventional/chemical/biological conflicts without the threat of nuclear devastation hanging over our collective heads.
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pharmmajor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:40:15pm |
re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar
Palin? Obama? PLEASE!! We need a Vampire!!
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
As long as he doesn't sparkle in sunlight, he's got my vote.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:40:24pm |
re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist
'Pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you," is what what my mom says.
BTW, greetings from the Streets of San Francisco--two lizards and many fine non-lizards stood in front of the Roxy Theater tonight and waved Israeli flags at members of Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism, and friends of QUIT.
It was quite an evening.
Yes. It was mellow, confrontational, conversational, contentious, with a crispness in the air. And you know, the evening wouldn't have been complete without an angry fellow screaming "Intifada, intifada!" at us. :)
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:40:29pm |
re: #366 Charles
I hope we get to see an "espose" of your anonymous emailer that outed him/her/itself today. And if it called you "Chuckles" so much greater the pain to inflict.
Very rude, not to use a persons name.
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palomino Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:40:36pm |
re: #325 Lidane
The problem is, the teabag right are the primary voters and grassroots activists. As long as they're on her side, she has a real shot.
True, but there is a party establishment that views her as an embarrassment. Maybe they're impotent, but does the GOP want to win an election, or air its grievances about unfair treatment of "our girl Sarah?"
She can avoid interviews and press conferences, but eventually she's gotta debate other GOP hopefuls. Unless they're afraid of teabag backlash, they will tear her apart. Months of hearing a few respected Republicans hammer her for quitting and being ignorant will take its toll. Unless the Republicans in question don't have the cojones to even criticize her--she has begun to take on the air of a holy relic.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:40:39pm |
re: #311 albusteve
how so?...got some back up?
Shoot the messenger all you want, but you'll find the facts mostly irrefutable.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:41:15pm |
re: #317 palomino
I really don't think the establishment of the party wants her to do more than cheerlead at rallies. Maybe they no longer have the power to stop her. At least it will be entertaining.
Exactly. Palin or "Mittens" have no chance in 2012. I like Judd Gregg. Thune is another one to consider. I'll take anyone that is fiscally conservative and sober minded. "Mittens" isn't fiscally conservative and Palin isn't sober minded.
Hey NJDHockey fan jump to 2:15 you'll see my uncle (guy with mustache) getting hit by one of the Hanson Brothers.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:41:17pm |
re: #373 eclectic infidel
What was playing in the theater anyway?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:41:30pm |
re: #363 Floral Giraffe
You're going to pay for it. VAT or no VAT.
Are you surprised?
Surprised? No, expected.
A lot of people who bought the line "If you make under $250,000 you will not have your taxes raised one dime." will certainly be surprised.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:41:40pm |
re: #303 Charles
I remember a history teacher who told me the Panama Canal was worthless because our modern ships couldn't fit through it...even after I informed her I had watched both civilian and military ships glide right through. Not all teachers are up to their subjects.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:42:32pm |
re: #374 Floral Giraffe
Spelling, FAIL!
(Ok, spell check failed me too! How Do you spell exposee?)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:43:35pm |
re: #377 joest73
Upding for Hanson Brothers. I would give one for your Uncle, but I only get one.
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bosforus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:43:54pm |
re: #366 Charles
The right wing blogs are already slobbering about the "methane apocalypse" post.
They've found out how to prevent disaster from a major methane outgassing event. All they have to do is call me "Chuckles." Problem solved!
I can't think of a better way to solve environmental problems than to insult others, can you?
/
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:43:54pm |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionistIs cute and peppy, and gosh-darn patriotic really going to pull her through any form of primary debate?
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:44:02pm |
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:44:40pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Where I live the businesses tend to "include" VAT within the cost of their products. Outwardly, the cost barely goes up.
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Querent Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:44:43pm |
re: #386 Floral Giraffe
YIKES!
$35,000. That's a LOT of taxpayers...
is that before or after deductions?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:44:53pm |
re: #381 Floral Giraffe
Spelling, FAIL!
(Ok, spell check failed me too! How Do you spell exposee?)
You need a squiggly line, me think.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:45:20pm |
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:45:36pm |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
Surprised? No, expected.
A lot of people who bought the line "If you make under $250,000 you will not have your taxes raised one dime." will certainly be surprised.
I just did my taxes. They went down from 2008.
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really grumpy big dog johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:45:48pm |
re: #87 laZardo
And don't forget the Siberian methane. Soon we can SMELL Russia from our house. q;
Just for informational purposes, methane is an odorless gas. Natural gas companies have to add an odorant in order for people to be able to detect potentially lethal gas leaks, even before they become explosive mixtures. Methyl mercaptan is typically used to make it "stinky".
And for additional clarification, if you smell something odiferous and truly odious, it's very possible if not probable that methane is is part of the brew. But it's not the stinky part.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:45:57pm |
re: #366 Charles
The right wing blogs are already slobbering about the "methane apocalypse" post.
They've found out how to prevent disaster from a major methane outgassing event. All they have to do is call me "Chuckles." Problem solved!
All problems are immediately solved, and minds cleared and changed to the proper thought - heck, all sorts of disasters are averted and righteousness installed, by those who call you "Chuckles".
/
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:46:23pm |
re: #383 Cannadian Club Akbar
Upding for Hanson Brothers. I would give one for your Uncle, but I only get one.
Upding for updinging the Hanson Brothers.
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:46:27pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
This will finish off the economy...
Volcker on the VAT
The middle class is where the money is.
White House distances itself from Volcker tax remarks
WASHINGTON, April 7 (Reuters) - The White House distanced itself on Wednesday from remarks by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker that higher U.S. taxes might one day be needed to control the country's deficit.
Volcker, an influential adviser to President Barack Obama, made the remarks on Tuesday in New York.
"Mr. Volcker was speaking for himself and not the administration. The president has not proposed this idea nor is it under consideration," a White House official said.
"The president has passed historic tax cuts for middle-class families and continues to push for more tax cuts. The president is not proposing to cut the deficit at the expense of middle-class families," the official said...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:46:43pm |
re: #391 Racer X
I just did my taxes. They went down from 2008.
We actually got a refund this year, a very substantial one.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:46:48pm |
re: #347 jamesfirecat
How does that differ from what I said really? As I have been saying, it is fine to reduce nuclear proliferation. But it is not smart to limit yourself with straightjacket language. The clip
Stewart was getting credit for being so clever about did not show what it purported to. If he wanted to be clever, he should have used a different one. There was no ah-ha! moment.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:47:08pm |
In addition to Reddict, you've got a FARKalanche just starting!
Hope eyeballs increase your revenue!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:48:21pm |
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:48:48pm |
re: #383 Cannadian Club Akbar
Upding for Hanson Brothers. I would give one for your Uncle, but I only get one.
I am from J-town. Was at one of the filming shoots. Don't remember it since I was 3. My aunt was the owner of the the hair salon in the movie back in the 80's. I remember some cult fans coming in and taking pictures of the place.....
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palomino Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:48:52pm |
re: #331 Charles
It won't be. The wingnut right has either completely forgotten about that, or found a way to rationalize it.
I agree about the teabag primary voters, but Joe and Jane Suburb look for smart, electable candidates when they vote in GOP primaries.
Palin may be doing OK in the early GOP polls, but she's gonna have to seal the deal with the everyday conservatives (as opposed to wingnuts) in the party...the kind of folks who voted for McCain in the primaries because he seemed qualified and electable.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:49:37pm |
re: #397 Escaped Hillbilly
How does that differ from what I said really? As I have been saying, it is fine to reduce nuclear proliferation. But it is not smart to limit yourself with straightjacket language. The clip
Stewart was getting credit for being so clever about did not show what it purported to. If he wanted to be clever, he should have used a different one. There was no ah-ha! moment.
I'm one of those East Cost Liberals so its really too late for me to be having this conversation, lets pick it up tommrow, something tells me that we'll have another Daily Show themed thread, hopefully on the subject of Union Appreciation Month....
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:49:45pm |
Wingnut blogs:
Chuckles Johnson thinks cow farts are going to destroy the world! What a moran!
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:49:48pm |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist
My recurrent question about Palin as the Republican nominee is that she's never, AFAIK, had to go up against a hostile fellow Republican. And based on what I have seen, any other potential Republican candidate will be able to beat her into the ground with one hand tied behind his/her back. She knows nothing about policy, that I can tell. A bright seventeen-year-old Young Republican campaign volunteer could take her down.
Is cute and peppy, and gosh-darn patriotic really going to pull her through any form of primary debate?
No, and she is also a "Quitter" and don't think that her opponent from either side of the aisle is going to let her forget it.
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:49:54pm |
re: #364 Kilroy01
So much for being funny. (Major FAIL)
Eh, not fail. But sometimes I think that people don't really understand the destitute conditions in other countries (Africa in particular). Not trying to preach, but I was there for the first time in my life last November and December. Makes you appreciate what we have here, even when we disagree about issues (and the fact that we can disagree).
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:50:40pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
"Mr. Volcker was speaking for himself and not the administration. The president has not proposed this idea nor is it under consideration," a White House official said.
"The president has passed historic tax cuts for middle-class families and continues to push for more tax cuts. The president is not proposing to cut the deficit at the expense of middle-class families," the official said...
That is great news if true. We will see next year. They are going to have to cut spending somewhere if they don't raise taxes.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:51:12pm |
re: #406 Gus 802
Teabonics!
/
"sarah palin b mah numba 1 boo"
"word, when we gonna see Big O's birth sheet"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:51:24pm |
Hey Night Lizards!
To be technical, are there more than a handful of people on the planet that are truly knowlegdable about nuclear issues? I'd be bold enough to suggest that a very small percentage of that handful are politicans.
Please do not take this as any kind of defense of Sarah Palin. I'd just like the reality of the situation to be acknowedged by the MSM.
After that note: awesomely cute pix of the day. Hey! Where are my "link-etc" buttons?
How are you-all?
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:51:31pm |
re: #378 laZardo
What was playing in the theater anyway?
EYES WIDE OPEN
In its San Francisco premiere, director Haim Tabakman’s taut drama EYES WIDE OPEN (Official Selection, 2009 Cannes Film Festival “Un Certain Regard”) is the tale of a forbidden same-sex romance set in Israel’s ultra-orthodox Jewish community. Aaron (Zohar Strauss) lives in Jerusalem and is a respected kosher butcher, a husband, and dedicated father of four children. He needs help around his shop, so he hires the handsome 22-year-old student Ezri (Ran Danker) as an assistant. Aaron quickly becomes swept away by his unexpectedly strong feelings for uninhibited Ezri. But guilt, torment and pressure from the community soon catch up, and Aaron is forced to make an impossible decision.
AND
THE SECRETS
Set in Safed, the site where the mystical texts of the Kabbalah were first received, Avi Nesher’s feature film THE SECRETS (SFJFF 2008) recounts the story of two young women fighting to be heard in the patriarchal world of the ultra-orthodox. Naomi, the daughter of a revered rabbi, manages to escape the yoke of an arranged marriage and comes to Safed to study in an orthodox women’s seminary. There, she catches the eye of Michelle, a rebellious new arrival from France. As they secretly embark on a series of purifying rituals together, their journey becomes even more complicated as they discover their growing attraction to one another. The film features Fanny Ardant in the role of a mysterious French visitor
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:51:57pm |
re: #403 Charles
Wingnut blogs:
I posted this earlier this morning. Heh. And they can't spelz.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:01pm |
re: #404 ausador
No, and she is also a "Quitter" and don't think that her opponent from either side of the aisle is going to let her forget it.
That's the anchor she's chained to any future political career. There is no plausible excuse she can give for leaving office before the end of her term, or assurance she can give the voters that it won't happen again.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:03pm |
re: #407 NJDhockeyfan
That is great news if true. We will see next year. They are going to have to cut spending somewhere if they don't raise taxes.
Murtha is gone now. Defense spending will be cut.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:04pm |
re: #403 Charles
In addition to Reddict, you've got a FARKalanche just starting!
Hope eyeballs increase your revenue!
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pharmmajor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:13pm |
re: #403 Charles
Wingnut blogs:
Chuckles Johnson thinks cow farts are going to destroy the world! What a moran!
Don't let the idiots get to you, Charles. You're one of the few people who knows the true threat the cows pose to us.
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palomino Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:15pm |
re: #342 Charles
Yes, I think it will. The right wing doesn't care about things like expertise and knowledge. The qualities you listed are far more important to the GOP base.
So then it's all just surface appeal. The GOP already made this mistake with Steele, thinking that ANY black guy would serve as a good foil to Obama.
If Palin is the nominee, they'll be making the same mistake again: thinking that ANY photogenic celebrity who draws crowds will match up well against Obama.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:30pm |
re: #370 Dark_Falcn
But, was I confusing things? I thought San Fran Zionist said they were there? I really don't want to go to their websight. My computer gets too many bugs as it is.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:40pm |
I'm not kidding. That's what's going around the wingnut blogosphere right now.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:47pm |
Ronald Reagan Day bill passes CA Senate
I am pleased to announce my bill that would create a “Ronald Reagan Day” in California unanimously passed the Senate today. When enacted, Senate Bill 944 will formally encourage the celebration of the life and legacy of President Reagan throughout California’s schools for the first Ronald Reagan Day on his 100th Birthday in 2011, as well as every Feb. 6 thereafter.It’s important for California school children to study a meaningful and well-known political leader like Reagan, whose earlier accomplishments are a model of personal responsibility and an inspiration to young, developing minds.
The bill now moves to the Assembly and faces no opposition.
- State Sen. George Runner
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:52:50pm |
re: #393 reine.de.tout
All problems are immediately solved, and minds cleared and changed to the proper thought - heck, all sorts of disasters are averted and righteousness installed, by those who call you "Chuckles".
/
I found out recently that the right blogs and Tea Party crowd have established a series of awards, "honoring" those who play leading roles in "taking back" America. Tonight, we'll look at those awards:
3. The Bronze Cow and Fan: Awarded to the bloggers who best use threats of violence and blow rumors out of proportion in a effort to make the [deleted] hit the fan. First awarded to Robert Stacy McCain, it takes the form of a bronze medal hanging from a brown ribbon. The medal shows a picture of cow with its tail raised and its backside next to a rotating fan.
////
Let me know if you guys like this, I've got two more of 'em.
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:53:48pm |
re: #407 NJDhockeyfan
That is great news if true. We will see next year. They are going to have to cut spending somewhere if they don't raise taxes.
I was relieved too.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:54:39pm |
re: #413 joest73
20 comments in more than 5 years? I smell socks...
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CarleeCork Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:54:41pm |
Good night all, it's been real.
Sweet dreams.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:54:46pm |
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darthstar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:55:10pm |
Awesome...I love it when the Commander in Chief refuses to give credence to anything a fuckin' reality TV wannabe says.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:55:48pm |
re: #342 Charles
Yes, I think it will. The right wing doesn't care about things like expertise and knowledge. The qualities you listed are far more important to the GOP base.
Well, damn.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:55:49pm |
re: #400 joest73
I am from J-town. Was at one of the filming shoots. Don't remember it since I was 3. My aunt was the owner of the the hair salon in the movie back in the 80's. I remember some cult fans coming in and taking pictures of the place...
I went to high school at Richland. I remember going to Aces a few times with my friends. I was at Aces the first (and last) time I got drunk on Mad Dog 20/20.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:56:09pm |
re: #425 ggt
awesomely cute pix of the day.
Refresh was the answer!
And, yes, I whaaant one.
Cute, yes. Until it ATTACKS!!!
/
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:56:13pm |
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really grumpy big dog johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:56:34pm |
re: #208 Cato the Elder
There is simply no way under the rules of English pronunciation that "noo-kyew-luhr" could ever be correct. Or do you think "noo-kyew-luss" is also a valid option for "nucleus"?
There you go being so doggoned smart again!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:56:35pm |
re: #346 Escaped Hillbilly
Huh? Never heard of this one. Could you enlighten me?
Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism are a small but dedicated band of crazy people who gather together as members of the LGBT community to badmouth the state of Israel.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:57:16pm |
re: #418 Charles
"clathrate" is a word not in their dictionaries.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:57:18pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
20 comments in more than 5 years? I smell socks...
Sorry. That was methane. My bad.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:57:34pm |
re: #430 joest73
Maybe my kids dirty socks.
Good. If you're on the level, then we're good. Sorry, but some people who suddenly show up are sockpuppets.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:58:42pm |
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism are a small but dedicated band of crazy people who gather together as members of the LGBT community to badmouth the state of Israel.
Are they members or do they hijack the crowd? No snark, just wondering.
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:58:51pm |
re: #409 ggt
Hey Night Lizards!
To be technical, are there more than a handful of people on the planet that are truly knowlegdable about nuclear issues? I'd be bold enough to suggest that a very small percentage of that handful are politicans.
Please do not take this as any kind of defense of Sarah Palin. I'd just like the reality of the situation to be acknowedged by the MSM.
After that note: awesomely cute pix of the day. Hey! Where are my "link-etc" buttons?
How are you-all?
Not too sure some times about the politics of nuclear issues since that is mainly about allies and intrigue stuff. Pretty sure I could build one though if given the proper materials, that is the problem, too damn many people can so we are stuck with trying to limit sources for materials. :(
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:58:58pm |
Oh....I made a stupid comment in here a few months ago. I'll play nice now.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 9:59:20pm |
re: #434 Racer X
Sorry. That was methane. My bad.
Can we harness the methane from dirty socks? Do all bad smells constitute a form of energy?
I think I missed something.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:00:17pm |
I love San Francisco...a friend of mine just posted on fb that someone opened a pizza by the slice restaurant next to a cannabis club. Entrepreneurial genius!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:00:24pm |
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism are a small but dedicated band of crazy people who gather together as members of the LGBT community to badmouth the state of Israel.
They should take a vacation trip to Iran. I bet they will have a blast.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:01:30pm |
re: #428 NJDhockeyfan
I went to high school at Richland. I remember going to Aces a few times with my friends. I was at Aces the first (and last) time I got drunk on Mad Dog 20/20.
Vo-Tech here. Know alot of people from Richland. Almost had our wedding reception at The Aces. Too expensive for that dive. Was at The Aces last year for a Clarks concert. Still a dump.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:01:54pm |
re: #440 darthstar
I love San Francisco...a friend of mine just posted on fb that someone opened a pizza by the slice restaurant next to a cannabis club. Entrepreneurial genius!
Great idea. A few vending machines next to the door would be a great idea as well.
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Girth Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:02:08pm |
re: #245 Escaped Hillbilly
Except that isn't clever because they are saying two different things. We should strive for a world that is perfect. But it isn't and we should, right now, not get rid of our defenses against the very real threats posed by others who aren't quite as high minded.
Sorry, I fail to see how this current deal gets rid of our defenses. The fact of the matter is that Obama is talking and acting in a similar way to how Reagan did with respect to nuclear weapons, and there are quite a few who can't or won't wrap their heads around this.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:02:12pm |
re: #440 darthstar
I love San Francisco...a friend of mine just posted on fb that someone opened a pizza by the slice restaurant next to a cannabis club. Entrepreneurial genius!
Dude, we should sell Twinkies on the street!!
/your "Life of Brian" post from the AM was classic, BTW:)
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jaunte Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:03:28pm |
re: #443 NJDhockeyfan
Great idea. A few vending machines next to the door would be a great idea as well.
Wouldn't the pizza slices get stuck inside?
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darthstar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:03:30pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:03:41pm |
re: #442 joest73
Vo-Tech here. Know alot of people from Richland. Almost had our wedding reception at The Aces. Too expensive for that dive. Was at The Aces last year for a Clarks concert. Still a dump.
It's still open? I was there 78-81.
Here's a question only someone from that area knows about...ever been to Becky's Grave?
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palomino Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:03:44pm |
re: #426 darthstar
Awesome...I love it when the Commander in Chief refuses to give credence to anything a fuckin' reality TV wannabe says.
Why not Snooki for president!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:04:12pm |
re: #422 laZardo
Golden Chalkboard?
Here's the next one:
2. Order of the Silver Crocoduck
This medal "honors" those wingnuts who have struggled the most against the eevill liberal conspriracy that is science. It takes the form of a silver image of a crocoduck, hung from a blue ribbon. Three tail feathers of the crocoduck have hangers, on which are hung turds, one for each anti0science campaign the wingnut has participated it: A brown turd represents the gallant defense of creationism, a green turd stands for the brave struggle against the so-called science of AGW, and a yellow turd is for those who fight to protect our precious bodily fluids against vaccines and water fluoridation.
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:04:34pm |
re: #437 ausador
Not too sure some times about the politics of nuclear issues since that is mainly about allies and intrigue stuff. Pretty sure I could build one though if given the proper materials, that is the problem, too damn many people can so we are stuck with trying to limit sources for materials. :(
I just finished another Sci-Fi audio book. I know, big suprise. In the stouy a roughe group of former-KGB harnessed a (I know I'll get the science wrong here) micro black-hole. The CIA-types were so concerned with the idea of such a WMD being in KGB hands, they completely missed the economic angle. Such a form of renewable energy in one nations hands would give them total dominance. WMD would not be necessary.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:05:00pm |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
I know I'm late to the game tonight. If she is their nominee, you will see a Mondale-type drubbing.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:05:41pm |
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
I cannot comprehend this. The don't like the only government in that part of the world that recognizes their rights. But they support the people who subscribe to a policy of stoning, inprisoning, or castrating people who practice homosexuality?
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darthstar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:05:58pm |
re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks...that's a true story, by the way. First week of September, 1979. I'd just started at that fucking school...man it was a long year for a Catholic kid whose parents didn't realize Baptists weren't exactly the same as Catholics when it came to schools.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:06:01pm |
re: #417 Escaped Hillbilly
But, was I confusing things? I thought San Fran Zionist said they were there? I really don't want to go to their websight. My computer gets too many bugs as it is.
They were in San Francisco, protesting the showing of two gay-themed films from Israel at a local theater. The showing was organized by the local Israeli consulate, as part of a month-long showcase of Jewish and Israeli gay culture.
Since QUIT sees gay and lesbian Israelis as the enemy, they were there to protest.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:06:41pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:06:49pm |
re: #452 tnguitarist
I know I'm late to the game tonight. If she is their nominee, you will see a Mondale-type drubbing.
With her as the candidate, the Liberatarians would have a chance to gain some real ground. As long as their candidate isn't you-know-who.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:07:49pm |
re: #436 Cannadian Club Akbar
Are they members or do they hijack the crowd? No snark, just wondering.
Members of what? Sorry, not following. They go places and protest. My group goest wheresoever they goest, and counterprotesteth.
We have a very Biblical relationship.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:08:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:08:16pm |
re: #440 darthstar
I love San Francisco...a friend of mine just posted on fb that someone opened a pizza by the slice restaurant next to a cannabis club. Entrepreneurial genius!
Is he calling it "Munchies"? I would.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:08:39pm |
RIP
Malcolm Mclaren.
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:09:46pm |
re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist
Members of what? Sorry, not following. They go places and protest. My group goest wheresoever they goest, and counterprotesteth.
We have a very Biblical relationship.
OK. I thought they followed you guys.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:10:56pm |
re: #208 Cato the Elder
There is simply no way under the rules of English pronunciation that "noo-kyew-luhr" could ever be correct. Or do you think "noo-kyew-luss" is also a valid option for "nucleus"?
Lewis and Short record that the earliest spelling of the Latin nucleus, "kernel" was nuculeus, a diminutive of nux, "nut." The related nucula, small nut, was also attested as a female name.A quick search of the OED finds dozens of words ending in -cular, in particular, the adjectival forms of nouns ending in -cle or -cule, deriving from the Latin diminutive suffix -culus. There are NO words (aside from compounds of the adjective clear) ending in -clear except nuclear and compounds thereof.
comment? Is this guy full of it?
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Mark Pennington Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:11:30pm |
Palin is way out of her league and has nothing to offer. She doesn't speak coherently, (her speeches are a compilation of random gibberish...like a word salad.), can't organize her thoughts, couldn't govern her own state and could could never produce or articulate any plans or ideas.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:11:40pm |
re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist
They were in San Francisco, protesting the showing of two gay-themed films from Israel at a local theater. The showing was organized by the local Israeli consulate, as part of a month-long showcase of Jewish and Israeli gay culture.
Since QUIT sees gay and lesbian Israelis as the enemy, they were there to protest.
Bunch of scum bags. They need a holiday in Cambodia Wazirstan.
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:12:28pm |
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism are a small but dedicated band of crazy people who gather together as members of the LGBT community to badmouth the state of Israel.
Well sure, what else do they have to do after leaving the twice weekly meeting at the bath house?
/yeah it was a very low blow, but fun to deliver. :p
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:12:37pm |
re: #453 Escaped Hillbilly
I cannot comprehend this. The don't like the only government in that part of the world that recognizes their rights. But they support the people who subscribe to a policy of stoning, inprisoning, or castrating people who practice homosexuality?
The oppressed indigenous radicalized people of color who subscribe to that policy, yes.
//Basically, this is a group of regular anti-Israel fringe lefties, who identify politically as queer, and refuse to deal with the cognitive gap between their denunciation of Israel and the fact that Israel is the only safe place in the Middle East to be gay.
This evening, one of the women protesting with them told one of our members that several marchers in the Jerusalem pride parade had been shot (not true). These folks are supremely indifferent to facts.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:12:57pm |
re: #448 NJDhockeyfan
It's still open? I was there 78-81.
Here's a question only someone from that area knows about...ever been to Becky's Grave?
I was there 10 years after you. Vo-Tech is now an adult learning center. Becky's grave at North Fork Dam. No. But I have climbed Devils Rock.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:14:19pm |
re: #462 Cannadian Club Akbar
OK. I thought they followed you guys.
No, they go to Israel-related stuff on their own. We follow them.
They have a history with companies who contribute to Israel. They went through a stage of doing 'actions' at Starbucks, and now they're targeting 'Estee Slaughter'.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:14:28pm |
re: #463 swamprat
comment? Is this guy full of it?
As regarding what? Your question is a bit unclear.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:15:26pm |
re: #469 joest73
I was there 10 years after you. Vo-Tech is now an adult learning center. Becky's grave at North Fork Dam. No. But I have climbed Devils Rock.
Heh. Very few people know about the legendary Becky's grave. We drank a few beers at her grave.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:15:46pm |
re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist
Darwin Award winners.
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:15:52pm |
re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist
The oppressed indigenous radicalized people of color who subscribe to that policy, yes.
//Basically, this is a group of regular anti-Israel fringe lefties, who identify politically as queer, and refuse to deal with the cognitive gap between their denunciation of Israel and the fact that Israel is the only safe place in the Middle East to be gay.
This evening, one of the women protesting with them told one of our members that several marchers in the Jerusalem pride parade had been shot (not true). These folks are supremely indifferent to facts.
Ruh Roh, Shaggy....
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:17:11pm |
For Cato:
"Non omnia possumus omnus"
translated by a student (in the book) as "'No possums allowed on the omnibus."
from: To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:18:47pm |
re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist
No, they go to Israel-related stuff on their own. We follow them.
They have a history with companies who contribute to Israel. They went through a stage of doing 'actions' at Starbucks
Right after they purchase their double-mocha-cherry lattés. q;
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:19:03pm |
And now our Number 1:
1. Legion of the Golden Teabag.
This award is given to those wingnuts who have done the most to rile up the Tea Party crowd. It can be earned by pushing the GOP further to the right, purging RINOs, or organizing Tea Parties where the wingnuts can let their freak flags fly. It takes the form of a gold teabag on a gold string. This award was first given to Glenn Beck in a emotional ceremony where he cried for 10 minutes before writing his acceptance speech out on a blackboard. The speech consisted mostly of denunciations of "OBAMUNIST OLIGARHY!!1".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:20:48pm |
re: #473 Escaped Hillbilly
Darwin Award winners.
Except not, because they do all of this in the safety of the Bay Area, where the worst thing that might happen to them is a dirty look from one of the middle-aged counter-activists holding a big Israeli flag.
Some of them go on Code Pink adventures to Gaza and such, but with groups, very protected.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:21:10pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:21:56pm |
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism are a small but dedicated band of crazy people who gather together as members of the LGBT community to badmouth the state of Israel.
And I might add...Q.U.I.T. conveniently ignores terrible abuses against LGBT people by Arab nations while refusing to admit that Israel is the only true safe haven for LGBT folk in the middle east.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:23:16pm |
re: #471 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Latin pronunciation of "little nut".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:23:45pm |
re: #475 ggt
For Cato:
"Non omnia possumus omnus"
translated by a student (in the book) as "'No possums allowed on the omnibus."
from: To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis.
'Not everything we are able to do...'
OK, what does it actually mean?
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:23:46pm |
re: #481 eclectic infidel
And I might add...Q.U.I.T. conveniently ignores terrible abuses against LGBT people by Arab nations while refusing to admit that Israel is the only true safe haven for LGBT folk in the middle east.
"But that's their culture and we can't discriminate against that!"
/SPIT
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:24:09pm |
Much seething going on in the UK...
MUSLIMS' FURY AS ARMY USES CUT-OUT MOSQUES ON BRITISH FIRING RANGE
ARMY chiefs were forced to apologise yesterday for using mosque-like buildings on a firing range used as vital preparation for combat in Afghanistan.
It is standard practice for the Army to try to replicate local conditions on training bases to prepare soldiers for fighting on foreign soil.
This resulted in one range, at Catterick in North Yorkshire, having a series of single-panel “buildings” painted to resemble Islam-inspired local architecture in Helmand province.
But Muslim groups are demanding they be ripped down because they believe they could be construed as mosques.
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:24:10pm |
re: #433 freetoken
"clathrate" is a word not in their dictionaries.
Heh, we can have a (hopefully) good discussion on that, but I'm glad no one batted an eye (so to speak) when I discussed clathrates on the last thread (and I will look up your links when I'm less tired). :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:24:13pm |
re: #481 eclectic infidel
And I might add...Q.U.I.T. conveniently ignores terrible abuses against LGBT people by Arab nations while refusing to admit that Israel is the only true safe haven for LGBT folk in the middle east.
Don't know what you're talking about. There are no gays in Iran. Dinnerjacket said so.
Add sarc tag here. I won't.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:25:44pm |
re: #487 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don't know what you're talking about. There are no gays in Iran. Dinnerjacket said so.
Add sarc tag here. I won't.
They do allow sex-change surgery in Iran. For some reason I find that quite interesting.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:26:13pm |
re: #355 laZardo Heh, missed it the first time. Upding for Russian fart gas.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:28:33pm |
re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist
Except not, because they do all of this in the safety of the Bay Area, where the worst thing that might happen to them is a dirty look from one of the middle-aged counter-activists holding a big Israeli flag.
Some of them go on Code Pink adventures to Gaza and such, but with groups, very protected.
Who provides the protection?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:30:50pm |
He he... now we have people posting Ann Coulter links in the spin-offs... Ann Coulter - the trifecta along with Palin and Bachmann!
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:31:31pm |
re: #492 freetoken
He he... now we have people posting Ann Coulter links in the spin-offs... Ann Coulter - the trifecta along with Palin and Bachmann!
Yeah, I just saw that.
I tell ya' Reading through some of these spin-off links it's like reading Pajamas Media.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:31:37pm |
re: #464 beekiller
Palin is way out of her league and has nothing to offer. She doesn't speak coherently, (her speeches are a compilation of random gibberish...like a word salad.), can't organize her thoughts, couldn't govern her own state and could could never produce or articulate any plans or ideas.
I like Palin....but I want here nowhere near the White House. I can see her reaching for the next word to say.....that is not what I want leading my party in 2012 to go up against President Obama. I am not worried though....she has no chance in 2012.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:32:05pm |
re: #491 Escaped Hillbilly
Who provides the protection?
Hamas. They have no problem using foreign gays to pressure Israel. QUIT ignores the fact that Hamas murder any local gay person they can get their hands on. For QUIT, its all about the Jew-hate.
/spits
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:32:16pm |
Good night, kiddies. I have a bacon, egg and White American (racist!!) cheese samich on a biscuit to deal with. And a glass of milk.:)
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:32:33pm |
re: #485 NJDhockeyfan
So should we rip up the silhouettes of Soldiers we fire at because the could be construed to represent people? Why did the Brits cave to this and apologize?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:32:37pm |
re: #491 Escaped Hillbilly
Who provides the protection?
Code Pink works with groups in Gaza, so ultimately, Hamas.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:32:42pm |
re: #492 freetoken
He he... now we have people posting Ann Coulter links in the spin-offs... Ann Coulter - the trifecta along with Palin and Bachmann!
That's the latest tactic of the disgruntled. They post links to far right garbage like Ann Coulter, using the tools I provided.
I'm sure they think they're really putting one over on me.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:33:16pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
No kidding... the ideology-wars have been heating up in the spin-offs again.
Getting back to the trio... I wonder if Palin, Bachmann, and Coulter were to form a singing trio, let's just call it "PBC" for now, what would be some of the songs they would cover?
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:34:47pm |
re: #495 Dark_Falcon
Hamas. They have no problem using foreign gays to pressure Israel. QUIT ignores the fact that Hamas murder any local gay person they can get their hands on. For QUIT, its all about the Jew-hate.
/spits
Jane Fonda anyone?
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:34:52pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:35:19pm |
re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist
'Not everything we are able to do...'
OK, what does it actually mean?
You have to read the book . . .:)
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:35:42pm |
Please use the report button on links like that. I'm going to just start deleting that crap as soon as it's posted.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:36:13pm |
re: #499 Charles
That's the latest tactic of the disgruntled. They post links to far right garbage like Ann Coulter, using the tools I provided.
I'm sure they think they're really putting one over on me.
How rude. Using YOUR site, and YOUR tools, to post that cr*p.
I don't understand what they think they are accomplishing.
Whatever.
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:36:19pm |
re: #500 freetoken
No kidding... the ideology-wars have been heating up in the spin-offs again.
Getting back to the trio... I wonder if Palin, Bachmann, and Coulter were to form a singing trio, let's just call it "PBC" for now, what would be some of the songs they would cover?
Probably something along the line of Pat Boone or The Osmonds.
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:36:33pm |
re: #485 NJDhockeyfan
But Muslim groups are demanding they be ripped down because they believe they could be construed as mosques.
Could be? One would think that a mosque would be identifiable and not easily "construed" as some other building. Besides which I am quite sure the only reason for a mosque on the training site would be to tell them "Don't shoot at that unless it is 100% absolutely necessary."
The U.S. has taught it soldiers about mosques and told them that they cannot fire on them no matter the provocation without authority from much higher up the food chain. Who is to say that isn't the purpose there if in fact they have actually made a mock-up of a mosque which is by no means assured from the wording of this article.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:36:38pm |
re: #491 Escaped Hillbilly
Who provides the protection?
Well, Hamas runs everything in Gaza now.. When code pinko travels to Gaza, it's a PR stunt to "prove" to the world how bad the Palestinians have it (we know they are taken to areas that are in ruin to demonstrate how "terrible" the living conditions are).
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:36:47pm |
And I may also block some of these accounts.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:37:03pm |
re: #499 Charles
Do you really think Palin has a chance in '12? I think that when it comes down to it, those guys still have issues with putting a female in a position of power.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:37:08pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:37:15pm |
re: #497 Escaped Hillbilly
So should we rip up the silhouettes of Soldiers we fire at because the could be construed to represent people? Why did the Brits cave to this and apologize?
They always do. So sad.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:37:42pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:38:25pm |
re: #513 joest73
No, it doesn't have any rhythm...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:38:30pm |
re: #510 tnguitarist
Do you really think Palin has a chance in '12? I think that when it comes down to it, those guys still have issues with putting a female in a position of power.
A chance of actually being elected, you mean? Probably not, but I'm not going to bet on it.
A chance of getting the GOP nomination? Definitely. More than a chance. I'd say she has a pretty good lock on it right now.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:38:32pm |
re: #500 freetoken
No kidding... the ideology-wars have been heating up in the spin-offs again.
Getting back to the trio... I wonder if Palin, Bachmann, and Coulter were to form a singing trio, let's just call it "PBC" for now, what would be some of the songs they would cover?
No, please. None of them can sing a note. Coulter actually makes her musical tastes quite popular and she likes a lot of the same music I listen to. So please, DON'T invite karma like this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:38:58pm |
re: #500 freetoken
No kidding... the ideology-wars have been heating up in the spin-offs again.
Getting back to the trio... I wonder if Palin, Bachmann, and Coulter were to form a singing trio, let's just call it "PBC" for now, what would be some of the songs they would cover?
'Drill, Baby, Drill'
'Crazysexyparanoid'
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:39:24pm |
re: #487 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don't know what you're talking about. There are no gays in Iran. Dinnerjacket said so.
Add sarc tag here. I won't.
Thats because you can't be gay if you are married. Don't you know anything?
/
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:39:51pm |
re: #500 freetoken
No kidding... the ideology-wars have been heating up in the spin-offs again.
Getting back to the trio... I wonder if Palin, Bachmann, and Coulter were to form a singing trio, let's just call it "PBC" for now, what would be some of the songs they would cover?
PCB! Polychlorinated biphenyl!
Palin
Coulter
Bachmann
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:39:55pm |
re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist
Use the "report" button.
Watch it go "poof"!
Mr. Beaumont is VERY efficient.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:40:18pm |
re: #516 Charles
Oh, I don't think she has a chance in Hades in the general election. It would be an electoral bloodbath.
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really grumpy big dog johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:40:42pm |
re: #482 swamprat
Latin pronunciation of "little nut".
I admit, my response to 463 was tacky. But to suggest that "earliest latin" spelling of "nuculus" somehow translated to the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when it first became clear that there was an atom that likely contained a nucleus, leaves little room for stretching the truth to suggest that "nucular" is somehow a logical alternative for the reality of what a word relating to the nucleus might be. The real truth is therefore irrefutable, and that is that nuclear is derived from the modern meaning of nucleus, not something from ancient latin.
Jimmy Carter had a background involving nuclear science, and even he used the clearly misappropriated "nucular", which has always made my skin crawl.
We are talking about nuclear programs and nuclear bombs, regardless of the spoken ignorance of some persons regarding the same.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:41:18pm |
re: #488 SanFranciscoZionist
They do allow sex-change surgery in Iran. For some reason I find that quite interesting.
That's because they don't have any gays, just people born in the wrong body.
/
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:42:13pm |
re: #510 tnguitarist
Do you really think Palin has a chance in '12? I think that when it comes down to it, those guys still have issues with putting a female in a position of power.
She got 10,000+ people. In Minnesota. In April. If she still has that level of momentum in 2012 and can get out the grassroots, she has a real shot at the nomination.
As far as getting elected? I'd say no, especially if the economy recovers sufficiently by then. Either way, she'll probably end up scaring more votes into Obama's column.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:42:43pm |
re: #508 eclectic infidel
Women's groups get roped into some of this too. Remember a prominent Women's History Doc writing in defense of the Burka etc. and how it actually gave Muslim women more freedom through anonymity. No explanation for why women should need to be anonymous and men wouldn't. People can be so stupid.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:43:13pm |
re: #491 Escaped Hillbilly
Who provides the protection?
I've seen some of thoe Code Pink people in pictures. I can't imagine wanting to be close enough to even think about needing "protection".
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:43:23pm |
re: #527 Escaped Hillbilly
Women's groups get roped into some of this too. Remember a prominent Women's History Doc writing in defense of the Burka etc. and how it actually gave Muslim women more freedom through anonymity. No explanation for why women should need to be anonymous and men wouldn't. People can be so stupid.
I'm a guy and I already have my freedom-in-anonymity.
/see 4chan. 0:
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:45:11pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:46:00pm |
re: #525 Lidane
She got 10,000+ people. In Minnesota. In April. If she still has that level of momentum in 2012 and can get out the grassroots, she has a real shot at the nomination.
As far as getting elected? I'd say no, especially if the economy recovers sufficiently by then. Either way, she'll probably end up scaring more votes into Obama's column.
Imagine Palin as president? Using her schoolyard metaphor during high level discussions with Putin? Although I'm pretty sure after today all of the people that still think we're in a Cold War would probably pull the lever for her. All 10,000 of them.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:46:57pm |
re: #525 Lidane
She got 10,000+ people. In Minnesota. In April. If she still has that level of momentum in 2012 and can get out the grassroots, she has a real shot at the nomination.
As far as getting elected? I'd say no, especially if the economy recovers sufficiently by then. Either way, she'll probably end up scaring more votes into Obama's column.
I'll put my money down now and say there's no way she even gets the nomination. People love having her out there as their Id, saying things they want to say, but are too scared to. Deep down, they know she can't run anything.
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joest73 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:48:04pm |
re: #525 Lidane
She got 10,000+ people. In Minnesota. In April. If she still has that level of momentum in 2012 and can get out the grassroots, she has a real shot at the nomination.
As far as getting elected? I'd say no, especially if the economy recovers sufficiently by then. Either way, she'll probably end up scaring more votes into Obama's column.
But wasn't that crowd with Hannity, Bachman and Pawlenty? While I think President Obama was the first President elected like an American Idol contestant, but I see no way she has the popularity votes even in her own party. She won't get my vote.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:49:06pm |
re: #531 Gus 802
Hey, my nic is blue.
Email me, OK?
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:49:09pm |
re: #531 Gus 802
I am imagining her getting all giggly over Putin sans shirt. They could go hunting together.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:49:29pm |
re: #523 really grumpy big dog johnson
When the bastardization becomes standardized, we are proud of ourselves for our consensus.
So be it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:50:02pm |
All right, I have to go.
Have a great day all!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:50:48pm |
re: #471 really grumpy big dog Johnson
As regarding what? Your question is a bit unclear.
For the record, that is pronounced "unk-yah-ler".
Sarah Palin told me so.
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:51:50pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:56:15pm |
re: #533 tnguitarist
Kerry? Really?
Yes, really. His meeting with the North Vietnamese, his role in organizing the bogus "Winter Soldier Investigation" and his libelous testimony before Congress in 1970 make him as bad as Fonda in terms of rooting against his own country.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:59:48pm |
re: #542 Dark_Falcon
I tend to cut him slack. Eisenhower said something to the effect that he hated war as only a man who has seen it up close can.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:59:52pm |
re: #531 Gus 802
Imagine Palin as president? Using her schoolyard metaphor during high level discussions with Putin? Although I'm pretty sure after today all of the people that still think we're in a Cold War would probably pull the lever for her. All 10,000 of them.
Considering the constant Tea Party whining about socialism and communists, I'm guessing a lot more than 10,000 folks think we're still in a Cold War. That's the problem. Low-information voters that revel in their ignorance and who think that Sarah is just like them.
Those same folks also happen to be the real grassroots and activists in the GOP. If they're motivated enough, they could sway the primaries in her direction.
re: #532 tnguitarist
I'll put my money down now and say there's no way she even gets the nomination. People love having her out there as their Id, saying things they want to say, but are too scared to. Deep down, they know she can't run anything.
Deep down, the sane folks know she can't run anything. There are still plenty of dead-enders who see her as a rising star in the GOP and who want her to run. If she manages to hang on through the primaries, she could very well end up the nominee.
I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but given that Romney has no chance in hell in the South because he's a Mormon, and Huckabee has no chance outside the South if Palin runs (since her fans and his overlap), she has a decent shot at it.
re: #534 joest73
But wasn't that crowd with Hannity, Bachman and Pawlenty? While I think President Obama was the first President elected like an American Idol contestant, but I see no way she has the popularity votes even in her own party. She won't get my vote.
Yeah, it was a Bachmann rally. However, for whatever reasons she still draws a crowd. That can't be ignored, except at the GOP's peril.
She won't get the votes of the sane folks on the right. They'll either stay home or hold their nose and pull the trigger for Obama if it comes down to that. But we can't cast aside the Tea Party wingnuts. There are a lot of them out there. The question is, are there enough of them to give her the nomination in 2012?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:00:44pm |
I don't think Palin is really gonna run for POTUS in '12, though I may well end up eating crow on that.
I do think she is letting her fans think she might. She has a pretty sizable base of fans buying her crap (books, etc.), and I think that if she were to make a declarative statement that she won't be seeking the nomination, she could stand to lose a very significant chunk of her book-buying fan base.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:02:03pm |
re: #545 Slumbering Behemoth
Could you imagine her in a real debate?
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ghazidor Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:02:45pm |
re: #510 tnguitarist
Nice bait, for a three year old that is, same story different day, sure Palin has a chance, of being nominated. Of winning? Not so much.
Ohh, but gee we wouldn't want to seem non-PC and be accused to "dickism" because of course if we are are against Sarah Palin it has to be because of what she lacks between her legs and not what she is missing between her ears....
"Heads I win, Tails you lose" is that what you think?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:05:53pm |
re: #546 tnguitarist
I missed her debate with Biden, so I don't really know how she'd preform.
Oh, wait. You said a real debate. Never mind, Biden doesn't count.
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Kilroy01 Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:31:14pm |
re: #537 swamprat
Hope one of them channels Dick Cheney's shooting skills ..
PULL!
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Gus Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:32:02pm |
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:44:12am |
Without scrolling through 500+ responses I'm hoping someone has already pointed out that our president isn't an authority on nuclear or military issues either. The man didn't even know the US has always reserved the right to "first strike" until months after taking office, that's embarrassing.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:51:59am |
re: #552 RogueOne
Listen carefully to his whole answer. He is comparing Palin to his SecDef and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, not to himself.
What Obama is doing is position Palin as just an ignorant pundit, while he listens to national security specialists.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:00:17am |
re: #553 freetoken
I heard what he said and I've said before this new stance means essentially nothing but that's not the point. Before he decides to make fun of someone for not being an expert maybe he should have taken a long look at himself in the mirror. My position is it's another example of the problem with hiring someone, the president, who has zero experience. None in the real world and close to none in the political. According to news reports he was "stunned" to find out the US position reserving the right of first strike, that's embarrassingly stupid.
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JRCMYP Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:02:37am |
re: #46 reine.de.tout
Probably so.
Some of us idiotically didn't see it.
Myself included.
I'm genuinely fascinated by this. I might have voted for McCain. I was on the fence. But then he selected Palin and I was utterly blown away by her vapidity and arrogance. I was so disappointed in McCain.
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JRCMYP Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:19:47am |
re: #75 Charles
Palin is very probably going to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
I keep going back and forth on this.
Clearly what makes her "shiny" to her base is the possibility of her as POTUS. So, she needs to keep up the momentum of that possibility.
But I don't think she actually wants the job of POTUS. Its alot of work. Its not the kind of work that pays off with a big check every time you make a speech.
But if she doesn't run, her window of celebrity will close quickly. And with it all of the appearances, t.v. shows, speaking engagements, etc. She clearly loves the celebrity. And she loves the money. So it's a catch-22.
In the end, I think she will run in the primaries because she sort of has to, but hopes that she won't get nominated.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:22:13am |
re: #556 JRCMYP
In the end, I think she will run in the primaries because she sort of has to, but hopes that she won't get nominated.
Ah, the Fred Thompson Gambit...
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sffilk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:37:22am |
I have to differ with President Obama.Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on anything, except maybe shooting defenseless animals with high caliber weapons.
She’s an empty-headed, platitude-spouting, fanatically religious, determinedly ignorant, anti-science dim bulb.
Don't mince words, Charles. Tell us what you REALLY think!
I would have put it more succinctly myself:
SARAH PALIN IS IRRELEVANT!!!
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