Newt Gingrich, at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, appealing to the base with a loud dog whistle: We Need a President, Not an Athlete.
“What we need is a president, not an athlete,” Gingrich said during a question and answer period after his speech. He added: “Shooting three point shots may be clever, but it doesn’t put anybody to work.”
“Woot woot,” said the crowd.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:45:37pm |
Someone tell me what the "dog whistle" thing is about on LGF?
/not up to speed on dictionary editions.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:48:45pm |
re: #1 laZardo
Someone tell me what the "dog whistle" thing is about on LGF?
/not up to speed on dictionary editions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:50:16pm |
No athletes, please. Only fat, old guys are allowed in that house!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:50:58pm |
re: #6 tnguitarist
No athletes, please. Only fat, old guys are allowed in that house!
Only fat, old, white guys, you mean.
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:51:22pm |
I really don't want to hear about how this one's being taken out of context.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:51:22pm |
I don't even understand why he said that. He could have made a better point without the dog whistle, and it wouldn't have cost him credit with the base. It's like he's trying to lose.
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:51:57pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
I don't even understand why he said that. He could have made a better point without the dog whistle, and it wouldn't have cost him credit with the base. It's like he's trying to lose.
Better point? I'm pretty sure the racism was the point.
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Unakite Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:52:03pm |
re: #6 tnguitarist
No athletes, please. Only fat, old guys are allowed in that house!
Damn, clicked on your avatar and nearly fell out of my chair. :-)
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:53:27pm |
re: #8 JasonA
I really don't want to hear about how this one's being taken out of context.
Don't worry. You will.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:54:18pm |
Dan "Black Kids Fear Me" Riehl has decided he's going to play the dozens with me on Twitter tonight.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:54:22pm |
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:54:23pm |
re: #11 Unakite
I actually went as Walter to a Lebowski-fest. Not quite as big as Goodman, but other than that, the resemblance is kinda scary.
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:55:24pm |
re: #12 Charles
Don't worry. You will.
Uh huh. I guess old white guys playing golf doesn't count.
Seriously, their plan to alienate the Black vote couldn't have been executed better.
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tnguitarist Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:57:00pm |
re: #17 JasonA
Uh huh. I guess old white guys playing golf doesn't count.
Seriously, their plan to alienate the Black vote couldn't have been executed better.
It's so overt, it does almost seem planned. That's why I can't help but laugh at their Steele "situation".
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:57:41pm |
re: #13 Charles
Dan "Black Kids Fear Me" Riehl has decided he's going to play the dozens with me on Twitter tonight.
I'm kind of afraid to ask what that is.
He posts dozens to drown out you?
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:57:57pm |
I'm not sure that Newt himself is racist. I haven't seen anything to show that. But I can say that anyone of color who hears that kind of lingo hears exactly that. So, in effect, two different groups "get" the language, the racist base, and those who are the recipients of that racism. The middle group, not knowing that this is dog whistle lingo, will not understand the importance of what this kind of rhetoric does to public discourse. I'm not entirely sure of what to make of this. But in light of the context of the group he was speaking to, it almost certainly isn't good.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 8, 2010 10:58:13pm |
I'm going to sign off for the night. This is depressing and I need to cheer myself up before going to bed to avoid nightmares. See you folks in the morning.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:02:23pm |
re: #13 Charles
Dan "Black Kids Fear Me" Riehl has decided he's going to play the dozens with me on Twitter tonight.
Hit him with a "Your mama's nose is so big, she can pick boogers with boxing gloves on".
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:03:39pm |
re: #20 Irenicum
I'm not sure that Newt himself is racist. I haven't seen anything to show that. But I can say that anyone of color who hears that kind of lingo hears exactly that. So, in effect, two different groups "get" the language, the racist base, and those who are the recipients of that racism. The middle group, not knowing that this is dog whistle lingo, will not understand the importance of what this kind of rhetoric does to public discourse. I'm not entirely sure of what to make of this. But in light of the context of the group he was speaking to, it almost certainly isn't good.
New Gingrich may not be a racist himself. I don't know. But he's an expert at saying what a crowd wants to hear, and this is the Southern Republican Leadership Conference. I think you can probably fill in the blanks.
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Mark Pennington Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:04:29pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
I'm going to sign off for the night. This is depressing and I need to cheer myself up before going to bed to avoid nightmares. See you folks in the morning.
I don't blame you at all. I took a week off because the craziness was too much and it was starting to depress me. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to get any better anytime soon.
g'nite DF.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:04:32pm |
re: #24 Charles
Exactly. He may not be a racist, but he's certainly an opportunist.
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:07:07pm |
re: #24 Charles
Did you notice this at the end of the article?
The debate should be framed, he said, not as "Obama vs. Anti-Obama, but America vs. a secular socialist machine."
America vs. secularism? Maybe my memory's hazy, but I don't remember the Newt of the 90's talking like this. I remember him getting divorced, though, which would probably be illegal if not for secularism, but I digress.
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Mark Pennington Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:07:49pm |
re: #26 Irenicum
Exactly. He may not be a racist, but he's certainly an opportunist.
He knows exactly what he's doing and who he is talking to.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:11:14pm |
re: #27 JasonA
I don't want full on socialism for the U.S., but our Constitution, our founding document, built the U.S. to function as a secular machine.
But the word "secular" has just become another fnord for certain crowds that lack critical thinking skills.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:13:12pm |
re: #27 JasonA
Did you notice this at the end of the article?
America vs. secularism? Maybe my memory's hazy, but I don't remember the Newt of the 90's talking like this. I remember him getting divorced, though, which would probably be illegal if not for secularism, but I digress.
He's talking to an audience of fanatics.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:16:45pm |
He's continuing a long tradition in Republican leadership of taking advantage of racism despite not being racist himself. He may not have a racist bone in his body. He also has no soul.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:17:01pm |
re: #28 beekiller
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I haven't heard anything explicit from him. Rush, Beck, and the other numb-nuts out there have pretty much outed themselves as officially speaking for "white culture" whatever the hell that means. He may end up going there. I hope not. It's a bad place to be. The whole concept of "race" is a social construct that defies any reality scientifically.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:18:37pm |
re: #31 Conservative Moonbat
In that I can agree. There's just too much evidence to say otherwise.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:18:48pm |
If I ever start a band I'm going to call it "Secular Socialist Machine."
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:19:15pm |
That really is sad, so now Constitutional lawyers and
anyone with any kind athletics background need not apply? The next thing you know they will be saying paranoid psychotics and schizophrenics need not apply either.
What ever happened to government by the psychos for the psychos like it guarantees in the constitution?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:20:04pm |
“What we need is a president, not an athlete,”
WTF is Newt even talking about? Obama can't bowl for shit.
/
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:20:30pm |
Jon Stewart just reamed Gingrich and Hannity for flat out lying about the nuclear treaty.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:20:31pm |
re: #34 Conservative Moonbat
What? You're not going to call it Lesbian Bondage Fiasco?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:22:59pm |
From the article:
He said the GOP needs to be the party of yes -- by saying yes to a balanced budget through controlled spending, more jobs through tax cuts, reforming government, stopping people from stealing from Medicaid and Medicare, spending more on getting soldiers better equipment, and "the right kind of health reform" and energy plan.
GET THE GUBMINT HANDS OFF MY MEDICAID!
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:24:03pm |
re: #38 Irenicum
What? You're not going to call it Lesbian Bondage Fiasco?
That's gotta be taken by now.
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theheat Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:24:56pm |
“What we need is a president, not an athlete,” Gingrich said
Spoken like a true sportfucker.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:25:54pm |
I wonder if he has an ill opinion of of Sen. Bunning?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:26:42pm |
re: #37 Charles
Isn't that sad? A TV talking head reaming politicians?
whatever.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:26:53pm |
re: #37 Charles
Say what you want, but a the greatest Republic POTUS in modern history, Ronald Wilson Reagan, would never have signed a treaty like that.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:26:56pm |
re: #40 Conservative Moonbat
Just call the band LBF. Damn, I think I have an apostrophe!
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:28:07pm |
re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth
Say what you want, but a the greatest Republic POTUS in modern history, Ronald Wilson Reagan, would never have signed a treaty like that.
and it would never have passed the senate with bipartisan support
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okonkolo Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:33:45pm |
Newt should have his dance card retired, but the GOP is in such bad shape he somehow, irrationally continues to have legitimacy in the party. So far this year he flips from having distance from Tea party to embracing it, he has trot out his "16,000 IRS gestapo agents" lie as being part of health care reform (it's the new death panel), and now this implicit racist crap. The dude has Jesuit training, a Ph.D., and uses his intellect for dishonest dumbed down pandering sh*t. What a POS.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:42:58pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:43:37pm |
Well this British blend tea drinkin' non-tea-bagger has gots to go to bed. See y'all on the other side. Be well or at least be nice.
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Irenicum Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:44:56pm |
re: #49 ausador
Hey, it's the best I could do on short notice! Honestly, I was surprised it was still available.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:52:05pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 8, 2010 11:55:27pm |
Being able to move from Point A to Point B in a split second, ala teleportation, would be incredibly useful and a great time/money saver.
However, I get the impression that if I were to use this device, I would end up in a heap of shit.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:01:28am |
"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their sleep deprived braincells." -Charles E. Weller
At least the original quote was something close to that, I think...Goodnight Lizards and Lizardesses.
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Gus Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:03:31am |
re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth
Being able to move from Point A to Point B in a split second, ala teleportation, would be incredibly useful and a great time/money saver.
However, I get the impression that if I were to use this device, I would end up in a heap of shit.
It's a conspiracy! They're getting to transport all the humans!
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:15:41am |
OT and apologies if this has been posted-- very long, detailed and wonky article on internecine warfare within the Democratic party, progressives vs Blue Dogs. Hella boring if you're not into this sort of thing, I admit, but if you like the meta, this is for you:
Power Struggle Inside the Battle for the Soul of the Democratic Party
[...]The static approach was dictated by simple arithmetic -- win 218 seats. As Pelosi finds on a weekly basis, however, finding that number for a particular Democratic legislative item is a challenge, even with more than 250 Democrats in the chamber. The paradox flows directly from the national strategy of encouraging conservatives to run as Democrats to give the party a majority. The entire caucus gets behind the effort -- even progressives, who actively raise money for candidates who then work to undermine their very agenda.President Obama, as he so often does, embodies both approaches. He ran as a candidate with a community-organizing background and a dynamic approach to politics, promising to shake up Washington and make the impossible possible. An ever-present and pessimistic "they" haunted his stump speeches, warning that Washington couldn't change, that the power structures were too entrenched. He would prove them wrong. As president, however, he chose instead to work with the institution exactly as he found it, charging Emanuel with accomplishing what was possible.
[...]
Obama came to office with a list of 12 million supporters ready and willing to help drive his agenda, an army that could have transformed the political reality of Washington. It was never marshaled to the cause of the public option. Obama let it languish and has refused to share it with members of Congress.
Highly recommended especially to Our Wingnut Brethern, and Sistern, who like to pretend that 'progressive' is just a synonym for "voted for Obama", and who when they pontificate on Democratic party internal politics tend to focus on incoherent fantasy scenarios where Hillary challenges Obama in the primary in 2012, etc.
But seriously, if the meta is your bag, read this article today.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:25:23am |
Since the racial dog whistle is always depressing, I figure I'll counter it with some awesome music instead:
And on that note, I'm off to bed. G'night Lizards! :)
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:33:29am |
What else can they attack Obama for? Offshore oil drilling? Building more nuclear plants? Signing an arms reduction treaty (as Reagan did)?
Now that Health Care is passed and most likely irreversible, they have to stoop to petty attacks on his image.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:44:28am |
re: #59 Gus 802
Well... that made me homesick for Japan... :-(
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:46:11am |
re: #60 ralphieboy
What else can they attack Obama for? Offshore oil drilling? Building more nuclear plants? Signing an arms reduction treaty (as Reagan did)?
Now that Health Care is passed and most likely irreversible, they have to stoop to petty attacks on his image.
"Obama invades Iran, dismantles nuclear program, personally shoots Ahmedinejad in duel atop the Azadi Monument. Is he sending a message of weakness to our enemies? Fox News reports..."
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The Yankee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:57:53am |
Newt, obviously didn't see Obama throw that baseball. No athlete throws like that.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 12:58:54am |
re: #20 Irenicum
I'm not sure that Newt himself is racist. I haven't seen anything to show that. But I can say that anyone of color who hears that kind of lingo hears exactly that. So, in effect, two different groups "get" the language, the racist base, and those who are the recipients of that racism. The middle group, not knowing that this is dog whistle lingo, will not understand the importance of what this kind of rhetoric does to public discourse. I'm not entirely sure of what to make of this. But in light of the context of the group he was speaking to, it almost certainly isn't good.
Horrible as it sounds, blowing the dog whistle used to make good political sense. (Note I didn't say moral.) To the racist base, it was both a signal of solidarity, and a feel good moment. It let them know that their man (or woman) was "brave" enough to defy "political correctness", and could be trusted to keep the [insert slur of choice] in their place. To those who had experienced racism, it was calculated to further denigrate and disempower, and let them know that they had no choice but to take it. If that alienated people of colour further from engaging in politics, all the better. Coding the language allowed plenty of plausible deniability if challenged by the middle, and even sets up claims that the speaker (and by extension those who agree with him or her) are being oppressed or persecuted by the "thought police".
Where it all falls apart though, is once people of colour (and their allies) start being able to swing elections. In 2008, the votes of people of colour were what tipped the election. I've seen quite a few people on right wing sites bemoaning the fact that if only minorities had voted for Obama at the same frequency as white folks did, he would never have been elected. (The minorities were the ones who were supposed to fall in line, naturally.) Once people realise they have the power to punish bigotry at the ballot box, the dog whistle goes from being a vote winner to vote loser. It doesn't matter how carefully you code it, people recognise a slap in the face when they get one. Not only that, they realise it's very unlikely that a party which trades in such tactics will represent their interests, and that makes them even less likely to vote for that party.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:04:42am |
Apropos of nothing, this lady was Miss Netherlands in 2000.
She is now a city council member in Roermond, of which she is a native.
The crisis being faced by Europe as it struggles with its Muslim immigrants cannot possibly be overstated. I mean, I know having that woman on my city council would demoralize the hell out of me.
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Clemente Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:13:04am |
re: #40 Conservative Moonbat
That's gotta be taken by now.
Well, the dot com was registered yesterday:
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
lesbianbondagefiasco.com
c/o Whois Privacy Service
PO BOX 501610
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[no phone numbers allowed]
whois@emailaddressprotection.comDomain created on 07-Apr-2010
Domain expires on 07-Apr-2011
Last updated on 07-Apr-2010
But godaddy says the other root-level domains are still available!
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sagehen Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:18:56am |
re: #1 laZardo
Someone tell me what the "dog whistle" thing is about on LGF?
/not up to speed on dictionary editions.
Coded language. Like an actual dog whistle -- it's audible to the intended audience, and hopes to skate unnoticed by not-the-intended-audience.
An example of a religious dog whistle-- when Bush was asked in a debate about Supreme Court decisions he thought were wrong, he named the Dred Scott decision. To anti-abortion fanatics, that's a cue that he's on their wavelength, they talk amongst themselves all the time about Roe v Wade being analogous and that it'll eventually be overturned.
Everybody else listening to that debate heard that answer and thought "all he can come up with is something 150 years ago that's taught in 9th grade? Huh?"
Dogwhistles are also a set-up for feigned outrage -- "we didn't mean it that way at all, they're accusing us of bigotry as a distraction". The 2008 primaries were an exercise in racist/sexist dogwhistle bingo. Bill Clinton says South Carolina doesn't matter because Jesse Jackson won it and look how meaningless that was, then Obama rallies start playing "99 Problems" as their intro music ("I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one"...)
Or when Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia MS (site of the Cheney/Schwerner/Goodman murders) with a speech about states rights. A lot of people knew what that really meant, but his campaign could claim he didn't mean that at all and why are people being so sensitive?
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lazardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:39:19am |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
"Obama invades Iran, dismantles nuclear program, personally shoots Ahmedinejad in duel atop the Azadi Monument. Is he sending a message of weakness to our enemies? Fox News reports..."
Speaking of which, this 2009 tribute-parody blaxploitation movie I saw a couple nights ago was funny as fuck.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:57:05am |
hahah Newt Gingrich you magnificent racist slimebag
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 9, 2010 2:59:31am |
re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth
Upding for the fnord! I gotta take a picture of the neon fnord sign behind my desk :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:00:46am |
re: #11 Unakite
Damn, clicked on your avatar and nearly fell out of my chair. :-)
THINK I'M FUCKIN' AROUND HERE? MARK IT ZERO!
:D
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:46:27am |
"Basketball" is not a dog whistle unless you're under the mistaken impression only black people play ball. Some of you need to get outside more.
Oh, and morning all.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:52:45am |
Speaking of basketball, Stevens signed a 12 year deal with Butler yesterday. He turned down 2 to 3 million a year to go to coach Oregon and took much less to stay in Indiana. Loyalty.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 3:56:33am |
re: #73 RogueOne
"Basketball" is not a dog whistle unless you're under the mistaken impression only black people play ball. Some of you need to get outside more.
Oh, and morning all.
Monday nights NCAA game case in point
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:12:28am |
re: #77 RogueOne
Out takes of his speech is on Youtube.
Still can't get over Gingrich trying to make "secular" a bad thing when it comes to "nation".
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:12:31am |
One of the panel made a good point, if you want to disprove the "obama is an athlete" quip just show the video of his throwing out the first pitch. HaHa.
On that note, I'm tired of talking to myself. Headed to work. BBL.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:13:48am |
re: #73 RogueOne
"Basketball" is not a dog whistle unless you're under the mistaken impression only black people play ball. Some of you need to get outside more.
Oh, and morning all.
The dog whistle was "athlete", as in "Blacks are gentically advantaged when it comes to sports, but disadvantaged when it comes to intellect." I've seen that far too often on the Inter-tubes, not to mention in supposedly serious books like The Bell Curve. Seriously, Obama is a Harvard law school graduate, president of the Harward law review, best-selling author, constitutional law professor, former United States Senator, current POTUS and Nobel laureate, and the best description Newt could come up with was "athlete"? Gimme a break.
Oh, and speaking of getting out more, some people need to get of their privilege bubble.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:18:32am |
re: #80 Kruk
some people need to get of their privilege bubble.
I have the "privilege" of attending todays Augusta matches.
Should I give that up !?!?!
/
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:20:16am |
I simply cannot abide with racism. It makes me ill. We've ALL been taught better.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:23:07am |
re: #81 sattv4u2
Enjoy! Attending The Masters is a dream of mine.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:24:52am |
re: #82 Taqyia2Me
I simply cannot abide with racism. It makes me ill. We've ALL been taught better.
Unfortunately, racism IS 'taught"
Children learn it right at the kitchen room table for the most part. It may be overt, it may be subtle. It may be deliberate, it may be sub-conscious.
I thank my lucky stars that my parents had more to worry about than some persons skin color
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:25:21am |
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:25:48am |
Pat Buchanan has a new essay out lamenting the Virginia Governor's flip flop on the Confederacy celebration thing... in which Buchanan takes up the familiar refrain:
Slavery was not the cause of this war. Secession was—that and Lincoln’s determination to drown the nation in blood if necessary to make the Union whole again.
They'll never give up on this. Ever.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:26:11am |
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:29:48am |
And of course places like Townhall run the Buchanan essay.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:30:32am |
re: #88 freetoken
And of course places like Townhall run the Buchanan essay.
And of course places like MSNBC have him on regularly
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:30:57am |
re: #84 sattv4u2
Unfortunately, racism IS 'taught"
Children learn it right at the kitchen room table for the most part. It may be overt, it may be subtle. It may be deliberate, it may be sub-conscious.
I thank my lucky stars that my parents had more to worry about than some persons skin color
You are so right about that. Then it goes from the home straight to the peer group. Racism needs to be called out wherever it appears and then destroyed, IMHO.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:33:42am |
re: #89 sattv4u2
Amazing, isn't it? Yet it is pretty clear what Buchanan does for MSNBC: he is their token hater, who they can hold up as the iconified "conservative" and point to.
Why do blogs like Townhall run Buchanan? Because they know their readership actually likes Buchanan?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:38:49am |
re: #91 freetoken
Amazing, isn't it? Yet it is pretty clear what Buchanan does for MSNBC: he is their token hater, who they can hold up as the iconified "conservative" and point to.
Why do blogs like Townhall run Buchanan? Because they know their readership actually likes Buchanan?
I'm sure thats TownHalls motivation, but I disagree vis a vis MSNBC. It is MSNBC's motive to trot him out to "prove" that he is "the " conservative voice, and the whackier his pronouncements and comments while on there increases the glee on the left. Meanwhile, in that they generally don't have a reasoned conservative on there the right has no way to counter his bombast there
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:39:21am |
re: #86 freetoken
Pat Buchanan has a new essay out lamenting the Virginia Governor's flip flop on the Confederacy celebration thing... in which Buchanan takes up the familiar refrain:
They'll never give up on this. Ever.
Many "conservatives" will simultaneously downplay the evils of slavery and the role slavery played in the Southern States' decision to seccede, while also claiming that they belong to "The Party of Lincoln" when the topic of civil rights comes up. It's amazing the congnitive dissonance hasn't made their heads explode.
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blueherron Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:42:21am |
re: #92 sattv4u2
I'm sure thats TownHalls motivation, but I disagree vis a vis MSNBC. It is MSNBC's motive to trot him out to "prove" that he is "the " conservative voice, and the whackier his pronouncements and comments while on there increases the glee on the left. Meanwhile, in that they generally don't have a reasoned conservative on there the right has no way to counter his bombast there
Who would be an example of a reasoned conservative? Who can speak for the Republican Party or conservatives in general?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:43:15am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:44:57am |
re: #94 blueherron
Who would be an example of a reasoned conservative? Who can speak for the Republican Party or conservatives in general?
Just by asking that question shows me that whoever I trot out you'll have objection(s) to.
I may be wrong, but if you can't see that there are "reasoned conservatives" this will go nowhere
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:48:59am |
re: #95 sattv4u2
Republicans expected to line up behind New START
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
one word ,, GOOD
Indeed. It would be sad indeed if people tried to derail a treaty as important as this over partisan politics.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:50:45am |
re: #97 Kruk
Indeed. It would be sad indeed if people tried to derail a treaty as important as this over partisan politics.
Agreed, as long as the provisions for exemptions for the likes of North Korea and/ or Iran (et al) stay in the final language
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:52:31am |
re: #98 sattv4u2
Agreed, as long as the provisions for exemptions for the likes of North Korea and/ or Iran (et al) stay in the final language
Are those part of the treaty itself, or part of Obama's review of the US nuke posture?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:54:39am |
This is not good. This is right on the border
AP Exclusive: Sinaloa cartel takes Ciudad Juarez
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
The Mexican cartels have become more and more brazen. The local Mexican police and military have not and cannot (for various reasons) handle this. Now that is crossing the border with US citizens targeted, it may be time to for US military intervention
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:57:27am |
re: #99 Kruk
Are those part of the treaty itself, or part of Obama's review of the US nuke posture?
I believe it's part of our new posture, but I would want to make sure theres nothing in the treaty with Russia that would handcuff the US in those instances
Already, Russia (Medvedev) has told Obama that they will not back stringent sanctions on Iran. Without Russia on board, those sanctions will be meaningless
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blueherron Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:58:02am |
re: #96 sattv4u2
Just by asking that question shows me that whoever I trot out you'll have objection(s) to.
I may be wrong, but if you can't see that there are "reasoned conservatives" this will go nowhere
I voted for Bush twice. So yeah, I can see that there are reasoned conservatives. Or, rather, I could at that time. Please trot someone out.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:58:42am |
re: #102 blueherron
I voted for Bush twice. So yeah, I can see that there are reasoned conservatives. Or, rather, I could at that time. Please trot someone out.
Okay
George Bush
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blueherron Fri, Apr 9, 2010 4:59:53am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:00:41am |
re: #104 blueherron
He's not talkin'.
Given the current GOP nuttiness, that may be his best quality right now!!!
Morning Scaly Ones.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:12:56am |
re: #80 Kruk
The dog whistle was "athlete", as in "Blacks are gentically advantaged when it comes to sports, but disadvantaged when it comes to intellect."
Please, that is not a dog whistle. Kerry went out of his way to show his athleticism, was that pandering to the minority base? All presidents do the same thing, bush, reagan, ford, bush sr., every president but Carter, Taft, and Roosevelt.
They also made fun of Obama for being a law professor, was that a dog whistle?
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:18:53am |
re: #106 RogueOne
Please, that is not a dog whistle. Kerry went out of his way to show his athleticism, was that pandering to the minority base? All presidents do the same thing, bush, reagan, ford, bush sr., every president but Carter, Taft, and Roosevelt.
They also made fun of Obama for being a law professor, was that a dog whistle?
Sigh. If this has been done by every president in history, then why "We need a president, not an athlete?" Wouldn't athlete and president be synonymous?
Just out of curiousity, what would you consider a dog whistle?
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:24:55am |
re: #108 Mad Al-Jaffee
Isn't ANY criticism of Obama racist?
/
Of course it is. And the fact that this particular criticism ties closely to a negative sterotype of blacks in way undermines the fact that it wasn't racist at all.
//
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:25:05am |
re: #107 Kruk
Did you just start paying attention to politics within the last year? Presidents and candidates go out of their way to show their masculinity and virility while the opposition makes fun of them for doing it. They made fun of Kerry for sailing, bush for his baseball, riding his bike, and golfing. Clinton for his golf, Reagan for being a cowboy and riding horses, etc., etc. etc.
When you have actual cases of incredible cultural insensitivity like the VA gov this week you don't need to make stuff up to be offended over. Gingrich can be accused of a lot of things but his quip last night was a typical political cheap shot, not a racist cheap shot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:25:31am |
re: #107 Kruk
As the opposition said, "We don't need a rail splitter! We need a President!"
Gosh, these guys suck at teh klevur.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:27:37am |
re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As the opposition said, "We don't need a rail splitter! We need a President!"
Gosh, these guys suck at teh klevur.
Best comeback EVAH
Lincoln was giving a stump speech
Someone in the crowd yells out
"Abe, tell us everything you know. It won't take long"
Lincoln responded
"I'll tell everything we BOTH know and it won't take any longer!"
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:31:18am |
re: #110 RogueOne
Presidents and candidates go out of their way to show their masculinity and virility
Goes back even further than that
FDR wouldn't let any photos out of him in a wheelchair less the country thought him as weak
Kennedys various ailments were covered up much the same way
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:32:12am |
re: #113 sattv4u2
Teddy did it by default. :)
And the only time I want loons on my TV is when I'm watching a nature show... :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:33:21am |
re: #110 RogueOne
Reagan riding horses, Reagan swimming, Reagan chopping wood.
Presidency or Tampon commercial? You tell me...
/
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:34:12am |
re: #114 oaktree
Teddy did it by default. :)
And the only time I want loons on my TV is when I'm watching a nature show... :)
I was speaking about JFK, not Teddy
JFK's back problems and Addisons disease, for instance
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SteveC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:34:21am |
re: #112 sattv4u2
Best comeback EVAH...
This is the best comeback I have ever heard of: In his Boston accent, JFK says "What is wrong with the American Farmah today?"
Someone in the back yells "He's stah-ving!"
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:34:32am |
re: #113 sattv4u2
Presidents and candidates go out of their way to show their masculinity and virility
Goes back even further than that
FDR wouldn't let any photos out of him in a wheelchair less the country thought him as weak
Kennedys various ailments were covered up much the same way
I tossed in Taft earlier because the fat bastard had no chance of showing off any athletic skill other than speed eating.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:34:36am |
re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Reagan riding horses, Reagan swimming, Reagan chopping wood.
Presidency or Tampon commercial? You tell me...
/
Sort of related - every time I see John Edwards, I think "What a douche!"
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SteveC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:34:56am |
re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Reagan riding horses, Reagan swimming, Reagan chopping wood.
Presidency or Tampon commercial? You tell me...
/
*FACEPALM*
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:35:00am |
re: #110 RogueOne
Did you just start paying attention to politics within the last year? Presidents and candidates go out of their way to show their masculinity and virility while the opposition makes fun of them for doing it. They made fun of Kerry for sailing, bush for his baseball, riding his bike, and golfing. Clinton for his golf, Reagan for being a cowboy and riding horses, etc., etc. etc.
When you have actual cases of incredible cultural insensitivity like the VA gov this week you don't need to make stuff up to be offended over. Gingrich can be accused of a lot of things but his quip last night was a typical political cheap shot, not a racist cheap shot.
Yep, because that's all we liberals do. We make up stuff so we can be offended (our prefered state of being), and force good honest folk to mind their p's and q's for fear of having the race card played against them.
//
Puhleeez.
Like I said a few posts back, the whole point of dog whistling is to have plausible deniability. You leave yourself enough room to be able to say "Why, that racist meaning? It never entered my mind. Oh, heavens no." The trouble is that it doesn't work any longer. The more and more the GOP play their ever so clever word games, the longer they can forget about the (rapidly growing) minority vote.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:35:11am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Sort of related - every time I see John Edwards, I think "What a douche!"
but his hair is PERFECT!
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:38:08am |
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:38:25am |
re: #121 Kruk
Your trying too hard. When they called him a scholarly law professor it was a dog whistle. When they call him an athlete, it's a dog whistle. What is it that they're allowed to make fun of him for that the left will not consider racist? It's demeaning the word, crying wolf all the time just makes people roll their eyes.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:38:38am |
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SteveC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:38:57am |
re: #122 sattv4u2
but his hair is PERFECT!
RUN! He's a Werewolf!
I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.
His hair was perfect.
Ah-ooo, Werewolves of London!
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:39:05am |
re: #121 Kruk
Like I said a few posts back, the whole point of dog whistling is to have plausible deniability.
It worked. And as predicted by Charles in post 12, apologists have surfaced.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:39:16am |
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SteveC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:40:32am |
re: #128 Mad Al-Jaffee
He must use that special vinegar and water shampoo.
I heard he dried his head with Rielle's boobs, but I could be mistaken!
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:40:49am |
re: #127 garhighway
It worked. And as predicted by Charles in post 12, apologists have surfaced.
I'm not apologizing or making excuses for anything, there isn't any need. It's called "politics" and sometimes opponents make fun of each other. I know it's mean and unpleasant and "why can't we all get along" but racist? please.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:42:14am |
re: #116 sattv4u2
I concur that for FDR and JFK (among others) that various aliments were hidden. And also that various photo ops have been generated so that the Chief Exec can show his physical skills.
My response was that Teddy's default mode was virile physicality.
I presume for Taft they would show him at the beach, I expect he was an expert floater.
Something I doubt you'll ever see again in high government was the agreement (unwritten?) about keeping the degree of FDR's debilitation hidden from general public view.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:43:15am |
re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Reagan riding horses, Reagan swimming, Reagan chopping wood.
Presidency or Tampon commercial? You tell me...
/
Either way,
the Russians can do better.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:43:58am |
re: #127 garhighway
It worked. And as predicted by Charles in post 12, apologists have surfaced.
Unless you're going to make the argument that Kruk did earlier, that black men are inherently better athletes and "athlete" is code for "black". That's the kind of reasoning that got Jimmy the greek tossed for being a racist. Have you come to terms with your racist beliefs?
When I hear the term "athlete" the first person to pop in my head is Jim Thorpe. Does that mean I have a deep seated hatred of native americans?
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:44:46am |
re: #124 RogueOne
Your trying too hard. When they called him a scholarly law professor it was a dog whistle. When they call him an athlete, it's a dog whistle. What is it that they're allowed to make fun of him for that the left will not consider racist? It's demeaning the word, crying wolf all the time just makes people roll their eyes.
When you criticise a black person using a stereotype that's used to denigrate blacks, then yes, that's racist. (And in a world where "The Bell Curve" was hailed as "brave", reducing a black person who has achieved so much in so many fields to simply an "athlete" fits that bill.) Racisim comes in many guises, and it's all "real" racism. And no, we're not going to let others define what racism is, or have dictated to us what we "should" be offended by.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:45:24am |
re: #122 sattv4u2
I saw a John Edwards using Summer's Eve at Trader Vic's
His hair was perfect
Ah Oooo!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:46:15am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:46:17am |
re: #131 oaktree
Something I doubt you'll ever see again in high government was the agreement (unwritten?) about keeping the degree of FDR's debilitation hidden from general public view.
well ,, in actuality, part of that was for moral purposes during WW2. Same with Kennedy with respect to the USSR at the time.
I believe that if we were at this time in a worldwide conflict and our CiC had some sort of dibilitating illness 'we" would do the same thing that was done in the 40's and early 60's
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:47:04am |
re: #132 laZardo
The Ruskies are getting the better of us in the long run. Siberia's gonna kill us all!
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:47:37am |
re: #134 Kruk
When you criticise a black person using a stereotype that's used to denigrate blacks, then yes, that's racist. (And in a world where "The Bell Curve" was hailed as "brave", reducing a black person who has achieved so much in so many fields to simply an "athlete" fits that bill.) Racisim comes in many guises, and it's all "real" racism. And no, we're not going to let others define what racism is, or have dictated to us what we "should" be offended by.
No one said he was stupid or he could jump higher than McCain. It was a typical political cheap shot. Would you have felt better if they had said he spends too much time on the golf course? Of course not, the presidents defenders would have found some way to turn that into a racist dog whistle too. Like I said earlier, if they make fun of him for being a scholar, thats racist. If they make fun of him for being an athlete, that's racist too. What exactly are we allowed to make fun of this president for that you wouldn't consider racist?
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:48:27am |
re: #133 RogueOne
Unless you're going to make the argument that Kruk did earlier, that black men are inherently better athletes and "athlete" is code for "black". That's the kind of reasoning that got Jimmy the greek tossed for being a racist. Have you come to terms with your racist beliefs?
When I hear the term "athlete" the first person to pop in my head is Jim Thorpe. Does that mean I have a deep seated hatred of native americans?
Ah yes, the standard reveral. The person who calls out a sterotype is the one holding the racist beliefs, not the one who employs them. Simply denying that a sterotype exists doesn't do anything to fight it, it only enables it.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:48:49am |
re: #137 sattv4u2
Something I doubt you'll ever see again in high government was the agreement (unwritten?) about keeping the degree of FDR's debilitation hidden from general public view.
well ,, in actuality, part of that was for moral purposes during WW2. Same with Kennedy with respect to the USSR at the time.
I believe that if we were at this time in a worldwide conflict and our CiC had some sort of dibilitating illness 'we" would do the same thing that was done in the 40's and early 60's
Was it talked about in the 30s and then dropped as a subject in the 40s?
I'm under the impression that it was a generally unspoken of thing in general during FDR's entire presidency. And given some of the hatred aimed at FDR's social programs during the Depression (and the recovery therefrom) I would have expected the rhetoric to include references to it if the information was generally known.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:49:28am |
re: #137 sattv4u2
Kennedy still got him a bunch o' strange. How does that happen with such a debilitating back injury. I've never understood that. Not doubting either, just never understood it.
"Ouch! Marilyn, no here, let's try... OH NO! Ouch again. Let's see, if you turn a little... OOH! ouch... This ain't workin' at all!"
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:49:31am |
re: #140 Kruk
Ah yes, the standard reveral. The person who calls out a sterotype is the one holding the racist beliefs, not the one who employs them. Simply denying that a sterotype exists doesn't do anything to fight it, it only enables it.
By the same token once you label someone or something "racist" that person (or thing) can never shake it
When did you stop beating your wife!?!
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:50:57am |
re: #140 Kruk
Ah yes, the standard reveral. The person who calls out a sterotype is the one holding the racist beliefs, not the one who employs them. Simply denying that a sterotype exists doesn't do anything to fight it, it only enables it.
Hey, it got Jimmy fired. Of course it's a stupid argument, that was my point. It's also pretty dumb to equate every criticism with racism. What gingrich said was a cheap shot, a cheap shot used against every president but the 3 I mentioned earlier.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:51:09am |
If people would stop playing the fucking race card every fucking time the fucking man's name was mentioned I wouldn't be so fucking reactionary to being called a fucking racist.
Darn it!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:51:21am |
re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Kennedy still got him a bunch o' strange. How does that happen with such a debilitating back injury. I've never understood that. Not doubting either, just never understood it.
"Ouch! Marilyn, no here, let's try... OH NO! Ouch again. Let's see, if you turn a little... OOH! ouch... This ain't workin' at all!"
Like you're gonna be thinking about the pain in your back when Marilyn has her breasts out and her lips wrapped around your ,,, ummm, nevahmind,, you get the picture!
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:52:10am |
re: #139 RogueOne
No one said he was stupid or he could jump higher than McCain. It was a typical political cheap shot. Would you have felt better if they had said he spends too much time on the golf course? Of course not, the presidents defenders would have found some way to turn that into a racist dog whistle too. Like I said earlier, if they make fun of him for being a scholar, thats racist. If they make fun of him for being an athlete, that's racist too. What exactly are we allowed to make fun of this president for that you wouldn't consider racist?
There are plenty of ways, and you don't need my permission or anyone else's. (Are you feeling a trifle oppressed?) It does seem to me though that certain people chose their "cheap shots" or "satire" in ways that fall within caricatures of Blacks far more often than the law of averages allows for. And when that happens, be sure they'll get called on it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:53:14am |
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SteveC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:53:42am |
re: #143 sattv4u2
By the same token once you label someone or something "racist" that person (or thing) can never shake it
When did you stop beating your wife!?!
Perfect comeback: When I started ******* yours!
(Better have your running shoes on, though!)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:53:49am |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If people would stop playing the fucking race card every fucking time the fucking man's name was mentioned I wouldn't be so fucking reactionary to being called a fucking racist.
Darn it!
Fuckin' A!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:53:59am |
re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever tried to screw when your back was painfully "out"?
I have.
Can't be done.
Maybe he got Lewinskys on those days!
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:54:13am |
re: #124 RogueOne
You couldn't be more wrong about this.
Nobody said it was a dog whistle when they called him a constitutional scholar.
You may simply be too decent a person to get the whole dog whistle thing. But it seems a little forced.
If we were discussing the admittance of a student to a college, a guy who graduated magnum cum laude and was also on the basketball team, and someone on the adcom said:
“What we need is a scholar, not an athlete, Shooting three point shots may be clever, but it doesn’t advance the field.”
It would make no sense. Why? Because 'athlete' was a completely trivial aspect of the person.
Obama is President. He really is the president. He does presidenty stuff every damn day. So in what way does it make any sense, aside from being a dog-whistle, to say that we need a president, not an athlete? He is a president. He just got HCR passed. He's doing stuff with nuclear propagation. The shooting of three pointers is completely irrelevant.
The only meaning that calling him an athlete rather than a president is to call him unqualified and to do it in a language that specifically denigrates all Obama's other traits.
In addition, I can understand if you disagree with the post, but your attitude is pretty damn patronizing. You're pretty much saying that Charles 'needs to get out more'.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:54:21am |
re: #144 RogueOne
Hey, it got Jimmy fired. Of course it's a stupid argument, that was my point. It's also pretty dumb to equate every criticism with racism. What gingrich said was a cheap shot, a cheap shot used against every president but the 3 I mentioned earlier.
You are right. Every President has been accused of being too good at basketball. Funny I missed that before.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:54:44am |
re: #143 sattv4u2
By the same token once you label someone or something "racist" that person (or thing) can never shake it
When did you stop beating your wife!?!
The same thing could be said for being labelled a rapist, murderer, etc. That doesn't mean those crimes don't occur. I do think there are some who try to establish a false equivalency between being a racist and those who call others out on their racism.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:55:07am |
re: #151 sattv4u2
There's no viagra... can't even stand getting a blowjob while the back is out.
I'm not doubting him, maybe he was the manliest mf'er to ever live.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:55:46am |
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:56:03am |
re: #153 garhighway
I remember all that talk about how George H.W. Bush was an athlete, not a president.
/
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:59:21am |
re: #158 Obdicut
I remember all that talk about how George H.W. Bush was an athlete, not a president.
/
No,, he was denigrated for everything else
frat boy
drunkard
born rich
stupid
puppet
war monger
draft dodger
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:59:37am |
re: #153 garhighway
You are right. Every President has been accused of being too good at basketball. Funny I missed that before.
He's not good at bowling.
He's doesn't ride horses.
He doesn't appear to be a swimmer. (We have a picture of him wading, not swimming)
Ain't much of a golfer, IIRC.
He plays a lot of basketball with staff, even in a photo op with Clark Kellogg during the National Championship game. That is the sport that he plays. Bringing it up is NOT FUCKING RACIST!
Newt's point was not relevant, wasn't clever, but it WASN'T RACIST!
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:01:30am |
Speaking of racism, the new Pokémon games are Pokémon Black and Pokémon White.
I kid you not. Shit just got real.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:02:00am |
re: #159 sattv4u2
No,, he was denigrated for everything else
frat boy
drunkard
born rich
stupid
puppet
war monger
draft dodger
H.W., dude. H.W.
Try to at least respond to what I'm saying.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:02:04am |
OT... Here's a facebook post that I think is very clever from a friend of mine...
"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:02:42am |
re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Does saying "We need a president, not an athlete," make any sense to you in regards to Obama? In what ways is he an athlete and not a president?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:03:44am |
re: #158 Obdicut
I remember all that talk about how George H.W. Bush was an athlete, not a president.
/
Jumping out of airplanes. Navy war hero. Man's man. Yeah. They talked about it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:04:17am |
re: #164 Obdicut
Does saying "We need a president, not an athlete," make any sense to you in regards to Obama? In what ways is he an athlete and not a president?
I said it was a stupid quote. Said it was not racist.
Read it again.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:04:24am |
If you take the quote without attributing it to the person who said it, you could also use it against Sarah Palin, who played basketball in high school.
/strange how things work out.
//carry on.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:04:48am |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jumping out of airplanes. Navy war hero. Man's man. Yeah. They talked about it.
So what did they say? "We need a president, not a Navy war hero?"
I kinda don't remember that one.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:05:11am |
re: #167 laZardo
Sorry. I still think she's "teh hawt".
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:05:39am |
re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's not good at bowling.
He's doesn't ride horses.
He doesn't appear to be a swimmer. (We have a picture of him wading, not swimming)
Ain't much of a golfer, IIRC.He plays a lot of basketball with staff, even in a photo op with Clark Kellogg during the National Championship game. That is the sport that he plays. Bringing it up is NOT FUCKING RACIST!
Newt's point was not relevant, wasn't clever, but it WASN'T RACIST!
Bring up his choice of sport wasn't racist. Attacking a black man in a way that panders to the "good at throwing a ball around, not much good at thinking" sterotype is racist. And if anyone believes that stereotype wasn't anywhere in the minds of his audience until we thin skinned liberals brought it up, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:05:55am |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jumping out of airplanes. Navy war hero. Man's man. Yeah. They talked about it.
I went to a hobby shop once and one of the kits they sold was the "Grumman TBF Avenger, President George Bush edition."
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:06:16am |
re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I said it was a stupid quote. Said it was not racist.
Read it again.
I agree with Charles that it's a dog whistle. It's not explicitly racist. But the only interpretation of the meaning of it is calling Obama not a president, just an athlete. And since he's not really that good an athlete, and is far more a president, it makes no fucking sense on any level except as a dog whistle.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:06:34am |
re: #168 Obdicut
No, just that they talked about it. You're right, though.
Doesn't make what Newt said racist, it is completely irrelevant though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:08:09am |
re: #170 Kruk
You. Are. Desperate. For. A. Racist. Behind. Every. Tree.
Ain't gonna find one with me. Keep on trolling for one though.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:10:50am |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You. Are. Desperate. For. A. Racist. Behind. Every. Tree.
Ain't gonna find one with me. Keep on trolling for one though.
denying that you're one just PROVES that you're one!
See how easy it is!?!?
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SteveC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:12:03am |
MARQUETTE (AP) -- Michigan Congressman Bart Stupak tells The Associated Press he'll retire from Congress rather than seek a 10th term this year.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:12:15am |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You. Are. Desperate. For. A. Racist. Behind. Every. Tree.
Ain't gonna find one with me. Keep on trolling for one though.
Hmmm. See anything in my posts where I called you a racist? Even implied it? Please, point it out to me.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:12:28am |
I am looking forward to the day that you can criticize the president without being accused of being a racist.
Good morning lizards!
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:12:33am |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No, just that they talked about it. You're right, though.
Doesn't make what Newt said racist, it is completely irrelevant though.
Dog-whistles aren't themselves 'racist', since they need to have another interpretation that's plausible. It's funny that in this case the other interpretation is that Newt is speaking gibberish.
I think you have to realize also that to many, including myself, there is no longer any reason to cut the GOP any slack on racial issues. Confederate History Month, corrupting justice to take down ACORN, the smears on Van Jones, the Birchers being let into the fold, Limbaugh allowed to race-bait like a fool without any criticism from the GOP, Sotomayor attacked for being a racist: exactly why should any benefit of the doubt be given to a GOP person who says something that has a dog-whistle interpretation? On what grounds should I be extending lenience?
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:12:53am |
re: #178 NJDhockeyfan
I am looking forward to the day that you can criticize the president without being accused of being a racist.
Good morning lizards!
I'm not racist, I hate everyone.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:13:00am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
denying that you're one just PROVES that you're one!
See how easy it is!?!?
Awww. Feeling a little oppressed, are we? Diddums.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:13:55am |
re: #178 NJDhockeyfan
I think Obama's stance on corn biodiesel sucks, that he's not in the least bit strong enough on gay marriage, that he goes for half-measures too often and doesn't use the idealism that got him elected nearly enough.
Strangely enough, it's perfectly fucking easy to criticize Obama and not be called racist. Why on earth do you believe otherwise? How can you ignore reality that stridently?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:14:39am |
re: #181 Kruk
Awww. Feeling a little oppressed, are we? Diddums.
Not in the slightest
But keep swinging!
(oh ,, wait,, thats a sports reference,, it must have racial undertones!!)
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:15:53am |
Israeli PM Netanyahu pulls out of US nuclear summit
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"According to Israeli officials, Turkey and Egypt are planning to call on Israel to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
"These states intend to exploit the occasion in order to slam Israel," said a senior Israeli source.
"The prime minister expressed his displeasure over these intentions, and he will therefore not be travelling to the summit.""
Turkey, under an Islamic Government, has firmly moved from being an ally of Israel to the anti-Israel camp.
The sides are being drawn up. Jordan should also be considered in this camp as well.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:16:08am |
re: #183 sattv4u2
Not in the slightest
But keep swinging!
(oh ,, wait,, thats a sports reference,, it must have racial undertones!!)
I'm a jockist.
I hate jocks with their college letter jackets, marching through the school hallways like they own the place with girls carrying pom-poms...
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:17:09am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:17:18am |
re: #179 Obdicut
You're correct. Thank God it's limited to the GOP
Condi as Aunt Jimima
Clarence Thomas as Uncle Tom
ummm,,, ooppss!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:18:04am |
re: #178 NJDhockeyfan
I completely underestimated how the card would be played. For me to deny that it exists would also be foolish.
I don't deny that there is an aspect of racism in some people's criticism of President Obama.
My constant criticisms of Clinton weren't racist either. Or Bush (though I am a partisan, and they were less frequent than of Clinton).
Kruk, wasn't me I was speaking of, was more of the subject to which I was referring. Ain't gonna jump on the "Newt mentioned basketball, so he's a racist" bandwagon. Y'all can ride that one alone.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:18:21am |
re: #184 Ericus58
I think they should sign the NPT also. Does that put me in the anti-Israel camp also?
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Sigma_x Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:18:45am |
Dog whistle? These assholes don't need no stinking dog whistle.
Check out this recent poll by the University of Washington on race and the Tea Party...
Approximately 45% whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that blacks are trustworthy.
[Link: depts.washington.edu...]
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:19:01am |
re: #186 Obdicut
The cure for that feeling:
Until I learned that Karl Rove was also a nerd. And the jock, realizing the error of his ways, became that Great American Soldier.
/or was that Forrest Gump?
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:19:37am |
re: #187 sattv4u2
So which prominent Democratic politician called Condi Aunt Jemima, again?
I remember it being a talk show host who was condemned by Democrats for doing so.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:20:33am |
re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's not fair to say that the argument is "Newt mentioned basketball, therefore he's a racist". That is not what Charles said at all.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:20:48am |
Ah well ,,, gonna wrap it up here at work as my relief will be here shortly
FBV,, I'm heading out to Augusta. I have an all access pass to the Masters today
Nah Nah Boo Boo !!
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:21:08am |
re: #190 Sigma_x
From the press release:
"The tea party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race,"said Christopher Parker, a UW assistant professor of political science who directed the survey.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:22:04am |
re: #192 Obdicut
So which prominent Democratic politician called Condi Aunt Jemima, again?
I remember it being a talk show host who was condemned by Democrats for doing so.
What prominent Dem leader condemned it ?
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:23:09am |
re: #189 freetoken
I think they should sign the NPT also. Does that put me in the anti-Israel camp also?
So, are you saying that Turkey's change in their relations to Israel is to be discounted? And using this summit to hammer them, but ignoring to also call upon Pakistan-North Korea-India shows the odius of their intent.
My post had nothing to do with having Israel part of the NPT or the lack thereof - I was referring to the theater about to be shown.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:23:19am |
re: #197 sattv4u2
What prominent Dem leader condemned it ?
Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz called the remarks “racially insensitive,” while Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said in a statement he joined “all Wisconsinites in rejecting” the statements.
Feingold, for one, right off the bat.
Do you really remember stories like that and just exclude the fact that Democrats criticized him from your mind?
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:23:35am |
re: #179 Obdicut
...exactly why should any benefit of the doubt be given to a GOP person who says something that has a dog-whistle interpretation? On what grounds should I be extending lenience?
Exactly. The GOP's behavior has degenerated to the point where one can't help but reflexively believe they're acting in bad faith.
And on a Beavis-and-Butthead "huh, huh, you said" note, my Firefox tab truncates the title of this thread to "Gingrich Blows" :D
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:23:46am |
re: #199 Obdicut
PIMF. The quote begins after sattv4u2's question "What prominent Dem leader condemned it ?"
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:24:23am |
re: #199 Obdicut
Feingold, for one, right off the bat.
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Do you really remember stories like that and just exclude the fact that Democrats criticized him from your mind?
No,, I really remember stories like that and the entire country NOT getting their panties in an uproar
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Sigma_x Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:24:46am |
re: #197 sattv4u2
See, I love when republicans start pulling out TALK SHOW HOSTS and comparing them to say, a FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND PARTY LEADER.
Like comparing Genie Farofalo with Trent Lott.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:25:12am |
He be jus' a b-ball playa...woot-woot? WTF, is Gingrich shooting for an Arsenio Hall type job? I do hope he also knows he dinged America's favorite point guard and dipshit Palin.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:25:21am |
re: #196 Sigma_x
What. A. Shock.
Heh. I love the "may" from Professor Parker. Scientists usually have "may" or "possibly" in our conclusions, no matter how bleeding obvious.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:25:43am |
re: #204 Sigma_x
Talk show hosts that were immediately criticized by Democrats, too. Without the Democrats then having to crawl back and apologize for the temerity of doing so.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:25:55am |
re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I completely underestimated how the card would be played. For me to deny that it exists would also be foolish.
I don't deny that there is an aspect of racism in some people's criticism of President Obama.
My constant criticisms of Clinton weren't racist either. Or Bush (though I am a partisan, and they were less frequent than of Clinton).
Kruk, wasn't me I was speaking of, was more of the subject to which I was referring. Ain't gonna jump on the "Newt mentioned basketball, so he's a racist" bandwagon. Y'all can ride that one alone.
Exactly. Yes, there are racists attacks on the president. However it seem as though any criticism of this president is automatically labeled racist and it's getting old.
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:27:47am |
re: #190 Sigma_x
Dog whistle? These assholes don't need no stinking dog whistle.
Check out this recent poll by the University of Washington on race and the Tea Party...
Approximately 45% whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that blacks are trustworthy.
[Link: depts.washington.edu...]
"He directed the Multi-State Survey of Race and Politics, a broad look at race relations and politics in contemporary America. The survey reached 1,015 residents of Nevada, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia and California. All were battleground states in the 2008 presidential election with the exception of California, which was included in the survey to represent the West Coast."
"Conducted by telephone from Feb. 8 to March 15, the survey reached 494 whites, 380 blacks, 77 Latinos and 64 members of other races. The sampling error margin is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race and Sexuality and the UW Department of Political Science paid for the survey. It was conducted by the UW's Center for Survey Research."
[Link: uwnews.org...]
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:27:58am |
re: #204 Sigma_x
See, I love when republicans start pulling out TALK SHOW HOSTS and comparing them to say, a FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND PARTY LEADER.
Like comparing Genie Farofalo with Trent Lott.
See .,, I love when "democrats" start minimizing THEIR talk show hosts words as inconsequential/ harmless/ humor/ satire while at the same time getting all apoplectic when a conservative talk show host says something!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:28:18am |
Perhaps I am projecting a bit. Sorry if my panties got in a bunch.
Racism bothers me greatly, and is a sin against God and man.
I take the accusation very seriously, not only against me, but against anyone.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:28:19am |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
Exactly. Yes, there are racists attacks on the president. However it seem as though any criticism of this president is automatically labeled racist and it's getting old.
Why does it seem that way to you? I see criticisms of Obama on this site daily-- some of which I agree with, and some of which I don't-- without any accusations of racism against them.
Your statement is false. It's victimhood, as well.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:28:51am |
re: #195 freetoken
I could direct a survey and find the direct opposite.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:28:59am |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
Exactly. Yes, there are racists attacks on the president. However it seem as though any criticism of this president is automatically labeled racist and it's getting old.
Oh, horsefeathers. There is plenty of criticism of Obama from left, right, and centre, and very little of it gets called out for racism.
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Sigma_x Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:29:07am |
re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps I am projecting a bit. Sorry if my panties got in a bunch.
Racism bothers me greatly, and is a sin against God and man.
I take the accusation very seriously, not only against me, but against anyone.
No one's talking about a "conservative talk show host."
We're talking about the former Speaker of the House and a Republican Party Leader. See, there's a big difference.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:29:23am |
re: #210 sattv4u2
But they didn't minimize it. They criticized and attacked him immediately.
Rush, on the other hand, is allowed to racebait by the GOP with impunity, and Steele had to apologize to him for criticizing him.
Do those two situations somehow look the same to you? How is that?
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Sigma_x Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:30:04am |
re: #215 Sigma_x
My point is is that, when something like this is brought to attention, wing nuts pull out the old, "Yeah, but what about what KANYE WEST said?!"
It's retarded.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:30:09am |
Stupak is quitting...
Rep. Bart Stupak to retire, putting seat in play
Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), who had a central role in the health reform fight as the leader of anti-abortion Democrats, plans to announce Friday that he will not run for reelection, a Democratic official said. Without Stupak on the ballot, the seat becomes an immediate pickup opportunity for Republicans.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:31:18am |
re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I could direct a survey and find the direct opposite.
What are the methodological problems you have with the way the survey was constructed?
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:33:05am |
The popular revolt in Kyrgyzstan that toppled Bakiyev two days ago was so sudden and ferocious that nobody has had a chance to give it a name yet. But it would be plausible to dub it the fir tree revolution – after the presidential shrubs taken and loaded into taxis.
SNIP
Kyrgyzstan is now at the centre of an geopolitical tussle between Moscow, Washington and Beijing. Russia's prime minister, Vladimir Putin, today phoned Otunbayeva and offered his support. She in turn thanked Russia for its "significant support" in exposing what she described as a "nepotistic, criminal regime".
The Kremlin was fed up with the Bakiyev regime, which it believed had fallen under US control. At issue is the US air base at Manas, near Bishkek, a key supply post for the US military and for Barack Obama's efforts to win the war in nearby Afghanistan. The Russians have been trying to turf the Americans out of the base. The opposition, now in power, had promised to do just that. Today, however, Otunbayeva said there would be no quick decisions: "Its status quo will remain in place. We still have some questions on it. Give us time."
SNIP
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:33:12am |
re: #218 NJDhockeyfan
Stupak is quitting...
Not a great loss for the Democratic party, but still a loss. That district is fucked in the head due to its large anti-choice population. I'm sure his retirement will be spun as a victory for the tea party and wing-nuts who are making threatening phone calls to Democrats--even if that isn't the primary reason he retired.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:33:25am |
re: #216 Obdicut
But they didn't minimize it. They criticized and attacked him immediately.
Rush, on the other hand, is allowed to race bait by the GOP with impunity, and Steele had to apologize to him for criticizing him.
Do those two situations somehow look the same to you? How is that?
RACE baiting is RACE baiting, so ,, ummm, YES
Commendable that some Dems criticized John Sylvester, yet it was red meat and (ruh roh) DOG WHISTLE for those on the left that were inclined to believe that Condi was nothing more than an Aunt Jimima, that Thomas is nothing more than an Uncle Tom (as is Steele and any conservative black)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:35:44am |
re: #222 darthstar
I thought it was the opposite in his case. Thought (heard) he was getting threatening calls from supporters of Healthcare reform rather than wing-nuts.
Maybe after he switched the "threateners" changed.
Huh.
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:36:19am |
re: #189 freetoken
I think they should sign the NPT also. Does that put me in the anti-Israel camp also?
I'm curious... why are you snarking on me?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:36:53am |
re: #222 darthstar
Not a great loss for the Democratic party, but still a loss. That district is fucked in the head due to its large anti-choice population. I'm sure his retirement will be spun as a victory for the tea party and wing-nuts who are making threatening phone calls to Democrats--even if that isn't the primary reason he retired.
Don't forget he received the same type of threats when he was holding out voting on the health care bill.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:37:15am |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought it was the opposite in his case. Thought (heard) he was getting threatening calls from supporters of Healthcare reform rather than wing-nuts.
Maybe after he switched the "threateners" changed.
Huh.
Not sure who he was getting calls from, but it's a pretty sure bet that neither side had any love for him at the end.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:38:35am |
While U.S. flights into and out of the, uh, transit center were initially suspended following the violent ousting of President Kurmanbak Bakiyev on Wednesday, limited operations into Afghanistan have resumed, Pentagon officials said Thursday. Acting Prime Minister Roza Otunbayeva has said U.S. operations there can continue for now, although some of her fellow opposition leaders want the U.S. lease terminated, or at least shortened.
SNIP
If those who toppled the Kyrgyzstan government on Wednesday do decide to evict the U.S. military in the days to come, the current surge of U.S. troops into Afghanistan will be slowed, though it won't be stopped. Those who have taken power, many of them friendly to Moscow, didn't like how the U.S. dealt with Bakiyev during lease renewal negotiations last spring, believing that the Obama Administration had legitimized an autocratic regime. Still, the country appreciated the increased rent — from $17 million annually to $63 million — as well as a U.S. pledge to spend a further $67 million improving the airport, which also serves as Kyrgyzstan's key international gateway.
Russia's influence is extensive in the former Soviet republic, and Moscow has been irritated by the U.S. presence in what it calls its "near abroad" — former Soviet territories — since the U.S. began operations at Manas in 2001. While in Moscow in February 2009, perhaps spurred by the offer of a $2 billion loan from Russia, Bakiyev publicly complained that the U.S. wasn't paying enough for its use of the base. That same month, the Kyrgyz parliament voted to end the U.S. presence, although the lease ultimately was renewed with the hefty rent increase.
SNIP
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:38:50am |
re: #205 darthstar
He be jus' a b-ball playa...woot-woot? WTF, is Gingrich shooting for an Arsenio Hall type job? I do hope he also knows he dinged America's favorite point guard and dipshit Palin.
That was racist and misogynist. keep digging that hole, hippy///
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pingjockey Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:38:50am |
Nat'l Holiday in Iran....Nat'l Nuclear Day. Doesn't that make ya feel all warm and fuzzy?!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:38:56am |
They walk among us: 1 in 5 believe in aliens?
Aliens exist and they live in our midst disguised as humans -- at least, that's what 20 percent of people polled in a global survey believe.
The Reuters Ipsos poll of 23,000 adults in 22 countries showed that more than 40 percent of people from India and China believe that aliens walk among us disguised as humans, while those least likely to believe in this are from Belgium, Sweden and the Netherlands (8 percent each).
However, the majority of people polled, or 80 percent, don't believe aliens in our midst.
"It would appear that that there's a modest correlation between the most populated countries and those more likely to indicate there may be aliens disguised amongst them compared with those countries with the smaller populations," said John Wright, Senior Vice President of market research firm Ipsos.
"Maybe the it's a simple case that in a less populated country you are more likely to know your next door neighbor better," he said.
More men than women -- 22 percent vs 17 percent -- believe that alien beings are on earth.
Most of those believers are under the age of 35, and across all income classes, the survey showed. Of those who do not believe, most are women.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:39:22am |
re: #223 sattv4u2
RACE baiting is RACE baiting, so ,, ummm, YES
Commendable that some Dems criticized John Sylvester, yet it was red meat and (ruh roh) DOG WHISTLE for those on the left that were inclined to believe that Condi was nothing more than an Aunt Jimima, that Thomas is nothing more than an Uncle Tom (as is Steele and any conservative black)
Dog whistling and red meat that Dem leaders made sure would not be acceptable discourse as far as that party was concerned. That's what the GOP has been spectacularly failing to do.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:40:55am |
re: #198 Ericus58
I'm not discounting anything. Yet, if there is a meeting whose reason for being is "nuclear security" (to use the BBC phrase), I can hardly fault any nation for bringing up the existence of nuclear weapons in the hands of neighbor/near-by states.
Why did the Israeli PM even originally plan to attend such a meeting? It seems like a major faux pas on the part of Netanyahu? As the BBC's analyst points out in the link you gave:
Mr Netanyahu's decision is on the face of it quite odd. After all, he must have expected some focus on Israel's own nuclear programme at this conference.
Indeed, he acknowledged this possibility two days ago when he announced he would attend. He said that since Israel was not a terrorist or a rogue state, he had nothing to fear.
In your original post you said:
Turkey, under an Islamic Government, has firmly moved from being an ally of Israel to the anti-Israel camp.
I'm not sure on why you relate the NPT/nuclear summit issue with this.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:41:01am |
Lunch-only beer policy prompts Carlsberg strike
COPENHAGEN – Scores of Carlsberg workers walked off their jobs in protest Thursday after the Danish brewer tightened laid-back rules on workplace drinking and removed beer coolers from work sites, a company spokesman said.
The warehouse and production workers in Denmark are rebelling against the company's new alcohol policy, which allows them to drink beer only during lunch hours in the canteen. Previously, they could help themselves to beer throughout the day, from coolers placed around the work sites.
The only restriction was "that you could not be drunk at work. It was up to each and everyone to be responsible," company spokesman Jens Bekke said.
Carlsberg had mulled a stricter drinking policy for years and finally decided to impose the new rules on April 1, prompting protests from the staff.
Bekke said around 800 workers went on strike Wednesday and around 250 walked off their jobs Thursday, resulting in interruptions to beer transports in and around Copenhagen.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:41:41am |
re: #227 Kruk
When he was anti healthcare, he was getting threats from the left. (No. They are not above threatening people. And carrying out threats.)
When he switched, the anti abortion folks started hammering him. (No. They are not above threatening people. And carrying out threats.)
They have a low approval rating, but I wouldn't want the job for all the tea in China (is that racist?)/
Today's climate makes the job unattractive, at best.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:42:44am |
Otunbaeva, 59, is seen as different from other Kyrgyz politicians and has a reputation as "Ms. Clean."
She's considered an articulate and pragmatic politician, and a moderate voice able to negotiate among the country's fragmented opposition groups.
SNIP
Otunbaeva's career started in the latter years of the Soviet Union and the first decade of Kyrgyzstan's independence.
Born on August 23, 1950, in the southern city of Osh, Otunbaeva studied in Moscow, graduating in 1972 from the philosophy faculty of Moscow State University, where she subsequently completed graduate studies.
Otunbaeva returned to the Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR) in 1975 and taught for six years at Kirghiz State University before transferring to full-time work as a functionary for the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the republic's capital, Frunze (now Bishkek).
In 1986, she was appointed deputy chairwoman of the Kirghiz SSR Council of Ministers, and foreign minister. From 1989 to 1991, she worked at the Soviet Foreign Ministry in Moscow, before returning to Kyrgyzstan in late 1991 following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
SNIP
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:42:54am |
re: #217 Sigma_x
My point is is that, when something like this is brought to attention, wing nuts pull out the old, "Yeah, but what about what KANYE WEST said?!"
It's retarded.
Gingrich is a leading Republican figure.
Kanye West isn't a leading figure in the Democratic party...but to my surprise, he isn't exactly a ghetto rapper, either...from Wikipedia:
Kanye West was born in Atlanta, Georgia, where he lived with his parents. When he was three years old, his parents divorced, and he and his mother moved to Chicago, Illinois. His father was Ray West, a former Black Panther who was one of the first black photojournalists at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and is now a Christian counselor. West's mother, Dr. Donda West, was a Professor of English at Clark Atlanta University, and the Chair of the English Department at Chicago State University before retiring to serve as West's manager. He was raised in a middle-class background, attending Polaris High School in suburban Oak Lawn, Illinois after living in Chicago. West credits his feminine nature to being raised by his mother. When asked about his grades in high school, West replied, "I got A's and B's. And I'm not even frontin'".
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:42:59am |
re: #223 sattv4u2
Yes. And when the guy on the 'left' did it, the Democrats condemned him. So that's different.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:43:52am |
re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
When he was anti healthcare, he was getting threats from the left. (No. They are not above threatening people. And carrying out threats.)
When he switched, the anti abortion folks started hammering him. (No. They are not above threatening people. And carrying out threats.)They have a low approval rating, but I wouldn't want the job for all the tea in China (is that racist?)/
Today's climate makes the job unattractive, at best.
According to the Politico story he made up his mind in Indianapolis during the butler/MSU game. I'd like to thank Butler for taking both of them out for us.
I think Stupak probably would have won re-election. His opponent on the right has zero campaign experience and he would have had the support of his party in the primary. He would have had to put a ton of money and time into the re-election run but he would have won.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:44:27am |
re: #226 NJDhockeyfan
Don't forget he received the same type of threats when he was holding out voting on the health care bill.
Actually, nobody on the left threatened to kill him, told him he was satan's spawn, etc...or if they did, he didn't say anything about it. Had he gotten those kinds of calls, it would have solidified his opposition to the bill.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:44:29am |
re: #106 RogueOne
Please, that is not a dog whistle. Kerry went out of his way to show his athleticism, was that pandering to the minority base? All presidents do the same thing, bush, reagan, ford, bush sr., every president but Carter, Taft, and Roosevelt.
They also made fun of Obama for being a law professor, was that a dog whistle?
Rogue - When I read this, I wondered what the heck Gingrich was referring to. I mean, it's my impression that Obama is not actually particularly athletically gifted. So why use that particular term?
I agree with some of you here who are pointing out that any criticism of the President is automatically called "racist". But in this case, the only explanation that makes sense for the "athlete" reference is what Charles said - dogwhistle.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:45:09am |
re: #240 RogueOne
According to the Politico story he made up his mind in Indianapolis during the butler/MSU game. I'd like to thank Butler for taking both of them out for us..
I think Stupak probably would have won re-election. His opponent on the right has zero campaign experience and heStupak would have had the support of his party in the primary. He would have had to put a ton of money and time into the re-election run but he would have won.
fixed for clarity.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:46:13am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
I've been to that brewery! It's a great tour.
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:47:09am |
re: #234 freetoken
"In your original post you said:
Turkey, under an Islamic Government, has firmly moved from being an ally of Israel to the anti-Israel camp.
I'm not sure on why you relate the NPT/nuclear summit issue with this."
Prior to the change in the government in Turkey in what - 2006? - to one a party that is Islamic now, this was never an issue that Turkey would have brought up.
Is that not relevant to the public political actions that Turkey has undertaken in the last year?
Or do we just lay this all at the feet of Operation "Cast Lead"?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:47:13am |
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:47:29am |
re: #70 WindUpBird
I think you may find this worth perusing.
[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]
Mr. Gingrich, who often scolds his own party, offered a few annotations along the way and also, as is his way, gave a few tips of advice to Mr. Obama:
I do think there’s an authenticity and legitimacy to anger by many groups in America. Senator Obama said in his speech, quote: “That anger may not get expressed in public in front of white co-workers or white friends, but it does find voice in the barber shop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition.”
I think that that’s right. And I think it’s important to recognize that anger can be a source of energy to create a better future, in which case it’s a good thing. But if anger is a self-inflicted wound that limits us, it is a very bad and a very dangerous thing. And we have to be very careful about the role that anger plays in our culture.
But then Mr. Gingrich took a sharp right turn from Mr. Obama’s train of thought.
“Tragically what has happened is that cultural and political leaders have used anger as an excuse to avoid reality, as an excuse to avoid change, as an excuse to avoid accountability. Because everything that is wrong is somehow somebody else’s fault,” Mr. Gingrich said.
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:49:06am |
While the world sits on their hands, Iran's Manhattan Project moves on...
Iran says to unveil new, faster nuclear centrifuges
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will unveil new "third generation" centrifuges later on Friday capable of much faster uranium enrichment, the head of the Iran's Atomic Energy Organization said.
"Iran will demonstrate third generation centrifuges today which have a separation power 10 times that of the first generation," Ali Akbar Salehi said at a speech marking Iran's annual national nuclear day, according to a text of his speech given to Reuters in advance.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:49:20am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:49:26am |
re: #247 NJDhockeyfan
Mmmm...beer.
You get free samples at the end of the tour. And not just little cups. It ends in a room with tables full of bottles. When I went it was the last tour of the year (right before Christmas), so we got to stay a while and drink our fill. There might be more of a time limit other times of the year.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:49:33am |
re: #241 darthstar
Actually, nobody on the left threatened to kill him, told him he was satan's spawn, etc...or if they did, he didn't say anything about it. Had he gotten those kinds of calls, it would have solidified his opposition to the bill.
Stupak, the Michigan Democrat whose last-minute compromise on abortion guaranteed passage of the bill Sunday, said callers have left messages for him saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you.”
“My wife still can’t answer the phone,” Stupak told POLITICO on Tuesday. The messages are “full of obscenities if she leaves it plugged in. In my office, we can’t get a phone out. It’s just bombarded.”
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:49:43am |
re: #235 NJDhockeyfan
Lots of places in Europe have alcohol. The cafeteria at Credit Agricole was beautiful. They had, in addition to the normal things you find in cafeterias (chefs cooking different dishes to order, grab-n-go sandwiches, etc.) a beautiful cheese board with about 30 different cheeses, and a beer and wine case with a wide selection. I loved it when I had consulting gigs there.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:50:05am |
re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hiya Toots!
Hey, FBV!
How are things!
Did you oversleep this morning?
Was it a problem?
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:50:24am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:50:37am |
It said in a ruling on Thursday that no one could force women, working at public and private educational institutions, to wear the veil or cover their heads against their will.
SNIP
Bangladesh is a largely-Muslim nation where women, active in political and public life, move without veils.
The verdict came in response to a writ petition filed to seek a directive following a newspaper report that a sub-district education officer of Kurigram insulted a female teacher for not wearing the veil in June last year.
SNIP
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:51:38am |
re: #246 Ericus58
I've been trying to avoid putting words in your own mouth... but for brevity's sake let's try this:
What you originally meant is - If Turkey was really and truly and ally of Israel, then even at a conference on nuclear non-proliferation Turkey would not raise the issue of Israeli nuclear weapons, and might even help avoid the issue somehow.
Yes?
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:51:57am |
re: #242 reine.de.tout
Obviously I disagree. We'd be having the same discussion if gingrich had said "he's articulate but we don't need someone who can read a teleprompter". IMO, every criticism or slam on the president is met with cries of "racism!". Don't like the HCR bill? Racist. Don't like the stimulus packages? Racist. Don't like the auto company buyouts?.....you know where I'm going with all this.
My problem is we read every day about actual victims of racism. People pulled over for DWB, black kids beaten and tased for minding their own business, people tossed in jail for much longer terms for selling crack instead of cocaine. All this crying wolf denigrates actual victims and diminishes the word "racism". I mentioned earlier that when you have the incredibly insensitive proclamation by the gov of VA you don't need to make stuff up to show that we haven't come as far as a lot of us would have liked.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:52:02am |
re: #253 Walter L. Newton
Stupak, the Michigan Democrat whose last-minute compromise on abortion guaranteed passage of the bill Sunday, said callers have left messages for him saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you.”
“My wife still can’t answer the phone,” Stupak told POLITICO on Tuesday. The messages are “full of obscenities if she leaves it plugged in. In my office, we can’t get a phone out. It’s just bombarded.”
Those calls came AFTER he supported the bill, Walter. Not from people who wanted him to vote for it. Willful ignorance really doesn't look good on you.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:52:36am |
re: #15 tnguitarist
I actually went as Walter to a Lebowski-fest. Not quite as big as Goodman, but other than that, the resemblance is kinda scary.
Also, Dude, "Athlete" is not the preferred nomenclature.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:54:47am |
re: #257 MandyManners
I really, really hope Bangladesh doesn't slide further towards Islamic radicalism.
We need to support the political parties resisting that in Bangladesh. Mostly, this is the Awami League. The BNP has made common cause with the Islamists.
They're 'progs', by the way, the Awami League. They're center-left by world standards, so quite a bit left by US ones.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:55:07am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Charles' post about Gingrich ties in nicely with my latest posting about the toxic political environment and lack of leaders acting like leaders instead of spoiled brats who take every political disagreement and make it personal.
It's not a joking matter. It never was (and yes, I know that this stuff has been going on for decades, but that's not a reason not to stand up and say something about it).
Here in NJ, a teachers union thought it appropriate to send out a memo "joking" about Gov. Christie's death. Very funny. Not. The union's angry about Christie demanding concessions from the unions to help balance the state budget which is in the hole for billions. The union response? Wish "jokingly" for the governor's death? Classy. Very classy.
With all the serious problems facing the country, we've got a political class that is woefully incompetent, self-centered, unprepared to meet the challenges facing the country, and more interested in the blame game than fixing problems.
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:55:29am |
re: #242 reine.de.tout
I have found that when one is very specific in their criticism of Obama, as in naming the policy or decision or quote you disagree with you get no racism charge. The wider the brush, the more you get that charge. Circumstances and the echo chamber have served to both amplify the truly racist voices, and in turn, we also have many Obama fans who are in a hypersensitive reaction mode.
Good for ratings and pundits, very damaging to discourse on race.
Heh PIMF just saved me, I had "poundits" instead of pundits. Hmmm. New term?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:55:47am |
re: #261 darthstar
Those calls came AFTER he supported the bill, Walter. Not from people who wanted him to vote for it. Willful ignorance really doesn't look good on you.
Sorry, I clipped and pasted the wrong article... these threat came BEFORE he changed his vote... this blogs source is an article at The Hill...
Leading a revolt against President Barack Obama’s healthcare legislation over abortion has been a “living hell” for Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.).
The telephone lines in his Washington and district offices have been “jammed” and he’s gotten more than 1,500 faxes and countless e-mails — most of which he says don’t come from his constituents.
The fight has taken a toll on his wife, who has disconnected the phone in their home to avoid harassment.
“All the phones are unplugged at our house — tired of the obscene calls and threats. She won’t watch TV,” Stupak said during an hourlong interview with The Hill in his Rayburn office. “People saying they’re going to spit on you and all this. That’s just not fun.”
[Link: www.punditandpundette.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:56:07am |
re: #250 NJDhockeyfan
While the world sits on their hands, Iran's Manhattan Project moves on...
"If the question is, do we have a guarantee as to the sanctions we are able to institute at this stage are automatically going to change Iranian behavior, of course we don't," Obama told ABC's "Good Morning America."
"The history of the Iranian regime, like the North Korean regime is that you know, you apply international pressure on these countries, sometimes they choose to change behavior, sometimes they don't."
SNIP
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:56:38am |
re: #254 darthstar
Lots of places in Europe have alcohol. The cafeteria at Credit Agricole was beautiful. They had, in addition to the normal things you find in cafeterias (chefs cooking different dishes to order, grab-n-go sandwiches, etc.) a beautiful cheese board with about 30 different cheeses, and a beer and wine case with a wide selection. I loved it when I had consulting gigs there.
I've been to the UN in Vienna a few times. They serve beer and wine in the cafeteria during lunch.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:57:37am |
re: #254 darthstar
Lots of places in Europe have alcohol. The cafeteria at Credit Agricole was beautiful. They had, in addition to the normal things you find in cafeterias (chefs cooking different dishes to order, grab-n-go sandwiches, etc.) a beautiful cheese board with about 30 different cheeses, and a beer and wine case with a wide selection. I loved it when I had consulting gigs there.
Well of course they do, they are civilized people.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:57:43am |
re: #265 lawhawk
I'm not sure blaming this on the 'political class' is going to help much. The GOP is the main one committing themselves to making this a toxic environment right now, and their continued dalliance with the increasingly lunatic Tea Party is a large part of the reason why.
I think blaming 'the political class' for this is ignoring the elephant in the room.
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:58:14am |
re: #259 freetoken
I've been trying to avoid putting words in your own mouth... but for brevity's sake let's try this:
What you originally meant is - If Turkey was really and truly and ally of Israel, then even at a conference on nuclear non-proliferation Turkey would not raise the issue of Israeli nuclear weapons, and might even help avoid the issue somehow.
Yes?
I have meetings to go to - deadlines don't wait.
I'll just say this - why is Turkey NOT bringing up the other nations mentioned as well?
Allies work behind the scenes to bring change to their partners.
By forcing ONLY Israel to sign and comply with NPT and not others is a major shift in relations.
I'll check back later.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:58:35am |
Good morning, folks.
Been laughing very hard this morning, because of this:
Hope it brightens your day, too!
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:58:56am |
re: #266 Rightwingconspirator
I think that's fair and accurate. I also think that a lot of people who are simply virulently opposed to Obama because they are virulently opposed to liberalism in any form are called 'racist', because their attitude is so venomous it more closely resembles racism than political differences.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 6:59:15am |
re: #265 lawhawk
With all the serious problems facing the country, we've got a political class that is woefully incompetent, self-centered, unprepared to meet the challenges facing the country, and more interested in the blame game than fixing problems.
Not to mention a cynically complacent populace that takes it all with depressing humor.
/oh, wait.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:00:49am |
re: #260 RogueOne
Obviously I disagree. We'd be having the same discussion if gingrich had said "he's articulate but we don't need someone who can read a teleprompter". IMO, every criticism or slam on the president is met with cries of "racism!". Don't like the HCR bill? Racist. Don't like the stimulus packages? Racist. Don't like the auto company buyouts?...you know where I'm going with all this.
My problem is we read every day about actual victims of racism. People pulled over for DWB, black kids beaten and tased for minding their own business, people tossed in jail for much longer terms for selling crack instead of cocaine. All this crying wolf denigrates actual victims and diminishes the word "racism". I mentioned earlier that when you have the incredibly insensitive proclamation by the gov of VA you don't need to make stuff up to show that we haven't come as far as a lot of us would have liked.
Oh, heck, I agree with much of what you said. Most criticism of the President is met with cries of "Racist".
I don't think every criticism of the President is based on race, and I also get as tired as you are of hearing that charge made when it's not appropriate.
But it does indeed look to me like some people go out of their way to couch their criticisms in racist terms, when it simply is not necessary. As I think happened in this case.
Given Newt's audience, you know you weren't going to find Obama supporters in there. Instead of providing the example for better, more appropriate language to use (and Newt is smart enough to do it), he falls uses the quick sound-bite method to grab their attention. And the sound-bite he chose was just really odd, IMO, again, given that the President does not seem to be known as a particularly gifted athlete, but the "gifted athlete" think is something often used to refer to blacks in general.
There was just something off in that remark.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:01:16am |
In the video, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl says he wants to return to his family in Idaho and that the war in Afghanistan is not worth the number of lives that have been lost or wasted in prison. It is the first he has been seen since the Taliban released a video of him on Christmas Day.
The seven-minute video of Bergdahl shows him sporting a beard and doing a few push-ups to demonstrate he’s in good physical condition. There was no way to verify when the footage was taken or if he is still alive.
SNIP
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:01:38am |
re: #254 darthstar
Lots of places in Europe have alcohol. The cafeteria at Credit Agricole was beautiful. They had, in addition to the normal things you find in cafeterias (chefs cooking different dishes to order, grab-n-go sandwiches, etc.) a beautiful cheese board with about 30 different cheeses, and a beer and wine case with a wide selection. I loved it when I had consulting gigs there.
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:01:43am |
re: #275 Obdicut
I call that partisan bigotry. And I agree. As soon as its emotionally based you are there. Unreasoning due to emotions/preconceptions.
Darn gotta go day job awaits.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:01:45am |
re: #233 Kruk
Dog whistling and red meat that Dem leaders made sure would not be acceptable discourse as far as that party was concerned. That's what the GOP has been spectacularly failing to do.
The GOP can't do it. They would alienate a significant part of their base.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:02:03am |
re: #267 Walter L. Newton
Here's the Hill article:
Stupak: Health fight has been 'living hell’
[Link: thehill.com...]
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:02:23am |
re: #273 Ericus58
Why do you believe that Turkey does not wish for the other three nations (Pakistan, India, NK) to sign the NPT?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:03:10am |
re: #283 RogueOne
Here's the Hill article:
Stupak: Health fight has been 'living hell’
[Link: thehill.com...]
Darthstar has gone dark?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:03:35am |
13-year-old Yemeni bride dies of bleeding
SAN'A, Yemen – A 13-year-old Yemeni girl has died of injuries to her genitals four days after a family-arranged marriage, a human rights group said.
The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen and has drawn the attention of international rights groups seeking to pressure the government to outlaw child marriages. Legislation that would make it illegal for those under the age of 17 to marry is in serious peril after strong opposition from some of Yemen's most influential Islamic leaders.
The 13-year-old girl from Hajja province, northwest of the capital, died on April 2, four days after her marriage to a 23-year-old man, said Majed al-Madhaji, a spokesman for the Sisters Arab Forum for Human Rights. A medical report from al-Thawra hospital said she suffered a tear to her genitals and severe bleeding.
Authorities detained the husband.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:03:35am |
re: #272 Obdicut
I'm not sure blaming this on the 'political class' is going to help much. The GOP is the main one committing themselves to making this a toxic environment right now, and their continued dalliance with the increasingly lunatic Tea Party is a large part of the reason why.
I think blaming 'the political class' for this is ignoring the elephant in the room.
Right now, this may be correct.
But I have no doubt that the Dems would be right back at it if the GOP had power. And I think Lawhawk's term "the political class", as in generally this occurs by those in politics when their party is out of power, is right on target.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:04:58am |
re: #272 Obdicut
It's not just the political class, but they are enabling others by not speaking out forcefully enough against those who are making such irresponsible statements or appearing at venues with those who continue to make such statements.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:05:39am |
re: #288 laZardo
Forcibly!
Funny movie... Darkstar.... by Dan O'bannon's. It was also his model for his "Alien" script.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:06:20am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:06:50am |
A copy of the email exchanges was sent anonymously to school and local law enforcement officials, who are investigating whether students violated conduct codes or criminal laws, respectively, in deliberately disrupting an invited guest speaker at the school. The emails include a "game plan," which details the disruption plan down to where the student disruptors would sit, how they would communicate with each other via text messaging, and how to act if campus police began to arrest students.
The Investigative Project on Terrorism also received a copy of the packet sent to UCI officials.
During his speech, Oren was interrupted more than a dozen times by students who stood up and shouted that he was a murderer and a war criminal. He left the stage for about 20 minutes before order was restored and he was able to continue his remarks.
Prior to the speech, MSU officials told UCI administrators that they were not planning any disruptions before the speech. Police arrested 11 students during the event, eight from UC Irvine and three from UC Riverside.
Afterward, numerous press accounts included MSU denials that the disruptions were orchestrated.
SNIP
"We've already discussed the different options in the GA (general assembly) meeting and we took a vote," a February 4 email to the MSU board said. "So now that we have voted on one method of action, we all go through this together, insha'Allah ta'ala together as one MSU … one Ummah." [Emphasis original]
Meeting minutes also included in the packet show the ultimate objective was to stop Oren from being heard. "[O]ur goal should be that he knows that he cant (sic) just go to a campus and say whatever he wants." Members were advised to "push the envelope," in order to "realize our role as the MSU of UCIrvine."
SNIP
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:07:02am |
re: #275 Obdicut
I think that's fair and accurate. I also think that a lot of people who are simply virulently opposed to Obama because they are virulently opposed to liberalism in any form are called 'racist', because their attitude is so venomous it more closely resembles racism than political differences.
Well said.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:07:51am |
re: #291 RogueOne
Darth is the upright sort, he must be busy.
I'm still here...multi-tabbing as I do in the mornings browsing a combination of LGF, dKos diaries, opinion articles, etc.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:10:01am |
re: #260 RogueOne
Obviously I disagree. We'd be having the same discussion if gingrich had said "he's articulate but we don't need someone who can read a teleprompter". IMO, every criticism or slam on the president is met with cries of "racism!". Don't like the HCR bill? Racist. Don't like the stimulus packages? Racist. Don't like the auto company buyouts?...you know where I'm going with all this.
My problem is we read every day about actual victims of racism. People pulled over for DWB, black kids beaten and tased for minding their own business, people tossed in jail for much longer terms for selling crack instead of cocaine. All this crying wolf denigrates actual victims and diminishes the word "racism". I mentioned earlier that when you have the incredibly insensitive proclamation by the gov of VA you don't need to make stuff up to show that we haven't come as far as a lot of us would have liked.
The problem I have with this line of argument is that if racism doesn't rise to a certain level of violence or exclusion, then it's not "real" racism. (And naturally, anyone calls out racism below that externally imposed line is crying wolf, playing the race card or just plain making it up.) A few decades ago, people could have said with just as much justification that excluding people from jobs or housing on racial grounds was trivial when compared to lynchings or civil rights abuses, and calling job related discrimination racism denigrated "real" victims.
And no, we haven't come as far as we would have liked, but I think many people believe that we have come a lot further than we have. There's a real discomfort in acknowledging how deeply racist attitudes are ingrained in speech, stereotypes and culture, and it's a lot easier to say that those things are made up.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:10:34am |
re: #297 darthstar
I'm still here...multi-tabbing as I do in the mornings browsing a combination of LGF, dKos diaries, opinion articles, etc.
I gave you another link (and RogueOne did too) to an earlier article about Stupak and threats BEFORE he changed his vote... this article is 3-18-2010... He had recieved threats before and after he changed his vote.
Stupak: Health fight has been 'living hell’
[Link: thehill.com...]
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:10:40am |
OT:
Those in NYC area shouldn't be alarmed to see low flying military aircraft in the City today. A flight is scheduled to land at LGA this morning around 11:15am, flying up the Hudson before crossing Manhattan to land at LGA.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:10:44am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:10:59am |
Although Hissa Hilal impressed the jury, she did not garner enough audience votes to win the title and its five million dirhams (1.36 million dollars) prize. That sum went to her Kuwaiti rival, Nasser al-Ajami. Another Kuwaiti, Falah al-Mourki, was second and was awarded four million dirhams (1.08 million dollars). But Hilal does not return home empty-handed - she still received three million dirhams (817,000 dollars) for coming third.
Wearing the Saudi traditional head-to-toe black abaya cloak, with a veil masking her face, Hilal recited her last poem in the contest, a defence of the freedom of thought. The sole woman among five finalists, Hilal rose to stardom after a series of poems blasting “evil” extremist fatwas (edicts) by Muslim clerics, a challenge which resulted in death threats being made against her on the Internet.
SNIP
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:11:26am |
re: #296 reine.de.tout
And it cuts both ways. Except for racism it is recognized as stupidity.
/
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:11:39am |
Bait and Switch on Prom Night:
McMillen tells The Advocate that a parent-organized prom happened behind her back — she and her date were sent to a Friday night event at a country club in Fulton, Miss., that attracted only five other students. Her school principal and teachers served as chaperones, but clearly there wasn't much to keep an eye on.
SNIP (with Mandy's scissors)
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:11:51am |
re: #300 lawhawk
OT:
Those in NYC area shouldn't be alarmed to see low flying military aircraft in the City today. A flight is scheduled to land at LGA this morning around 11:15am, flying up the Hudson before crossing Manhattan to land at LGA.
Wow.
Thank goodness there was an explanation before the fact this time.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:12:09am |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
I do not think that the Democrats acted this badly between 2000 and 2006, in any way. They didn't embrace any previously-anathema groups like the Birchers. They didn't vote in this solid a block or obstruct as much. From both a point of view of tone and actual political actions, the GOP's current actions are much worse than the Democratic leadership under Bush, or the GOP under Clinton.
But yes, overall, we are living in the era of Lee Atwater. Rove was simply his inheritor.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:07am |
re: #300 lawhawk
OT:
Those in NYC area shouldn't be alarmed to see low flying military aircraft in the City today. A flight is scheduled to land at LGA this morning around 11:15am, flying up the Hudson before crossing Manhattan to land at LGA.
CHMETRIALS!
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:29am |
Riots in Thailand as protesters storm a tv station that was taken off the air by the government. The security forces are pretty split in their loyalties and some were seen putting down their gear and shaking hands with protesters.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:29am |
What the hell does the media do, write these article ahead of time in hopes that we won't notice...
"Usually you can depend on the White House to view the economy with the most rose-tinted glasses available. But it was not until last week, after a strong employment report, that President Obama started to sound a little optimistic."
Job report yesterday said the unemployment claims jump to something like 18,000 higher than expected, with 400,000 plus added to the unemployment figures... NYT must read a different paper than we do...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:43am |
re: #304 ryannon
Oh, dang. I don't know what to say about that one!
Parents have rights too, but DAYAM!
That poor girl. I'm guessing she'll become a radical.
Wouldn't be surprised at all.
Wouldn't blame her a bit.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:47am |
Their comments set Wednesday’s overthrow of Bakiyev, who fled the capital Bishkek as crowds stormed government buildings, firmly in the context of superpower rivalry in Central Asia.
No sooner had presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev signed an arms reduction pact in Prague as part of an effort to “reset” strained relations than a senior official in Medvedev’s delegation urged Kyrgyzstan’s new rulers to shut the US base.
The official, who declined to be named, noted that Bakiyev had not fulfilled a promise to shut the Manas Air Base, and said there should be only one base in Kyrgyzstan — a Russian one.
Omurbek Tekebayev, a former Kyrgyz opposition leader who took charge of constitutional matters in the new government, said that “Russia played its role in ousting Bakiyev.”
“You’ve seen the level of Russia’s joy when they saw Bakiyev gone,” he told Reuters.
SNIP
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:48am |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
I gave you another link (and RogueOne did too) to an earlier article about Stupak and threats BEFORE he changed his vote... this article is 3-18-2010... He had recieved threats before and after he changed his vote.
Stupak: Health fight has been 'living hell’
[Link: thehill.com...]
Okay
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:13:57am |
re: #304 ryannon
And Constance shows she's more Christian than those who oppose her:
Two students with learning difficulties were among the seven people at the country club event, McMillen recalls. "They had the time of their lives," McMillen says. "That's the one good thing that come out of this, [these kids] didn't have to worry about people making fun of them [at their prom]."
It shows very clearly what you think of both groups when you associate learning-disabled people and lesbians. The only association is that assholes persecute them both.
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:14:19am |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Reine, I was "right back at it" 5 years ago because I strongly, vehemently opposed the policy's of President George W. Bush. I can understand the passion level of the Republican base's reaction to the policies of President Barack Obama.
It's converse.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:14:55am |
Had I been Newt and decided to make some lame attack, it would have been over golf. Both Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama played golf. President Obama has played a Shload of golf.
"Puttin' while the troops die!" Something like that to get the populous rage going...well, add to it anyway.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:15:40am |
Just ground some coffee and put it in the percolator...yes, a percolator. My wife found it in her office a couple of years ago when she changed jobs. I love the damn thing...and it keeps coffee hot for a nice long time after I unplug it and bring it to the bedside table.
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:15:52am |
re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, dang. I don't know what to say about that one!
Parents have rights too, but DAYAM!
That poor girl. I'm guessing she'll become a radical.
Wouldn't be surprised at all.
Wouldn't blame her a bit.
She shall overcome.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:16:33am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:16:34am |
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:16:47am |
re: #315 Oh no...Sand People!
Had I been Newt and decided to make some lame attack, it would have been over golf. Both Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama played golf. President Obama has played a Shload of golf.
"Puttin' while the troops die!" Something like that to get the populous rage going...well, add to it anyway.
It would be just too easy to make a racist Tiger Woods joke though.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:16:50am |
re: #266 Rightwingconspirator
I have found that when one is very specific in their criticism of Obama, as in naming the policy or decision or quote you disagree with you get no racism charge. The wider the brush, the more you get that charge. Circumstances and the echo chamber have served to both amplify the truly racist voices, and in turn, we also have many Obama fans who are in a hypersensitive reaction mode.
Good for ratings and pundits, very damaging to discourse on race.
Heh PIMF just saved me, I had "poundits" instead of pundits. Hmmm. New term?
This is an interesting discussion I found a while back on the idea of hypersensitivity (and it's supposed opposite, insensitivity) when it comes to matters of race and racial conflict. Essentially, the two are very far from being "two sides of the same coin" as sometimes thought of.
[Link: www.kiwipolitico.com...]
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:17:06am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:17:27am |
re: #306 Obdicut
I do not think that the Democrats acted this badly between 2000 and 2006, in any way. They didn't embrace any previously-anathema groups like the Birchers. They didn't vote in this solid a block or obstruct as much. From both a point of view of tone and actual political actions, the GOP's current actions are much worse than the Democratic leadership under Bush, or the GOP under Clinton.
But yes, overall, we are living in the era of Lee Atwater. Rove was simply his inheritor.
Well . . . that may be a perspective issue.
I can look at the R's and see how badly they are behaving because I'm so disillusioned right now, and actually for me the disillusionment began with our Governor (Jindal) who has been a humongous disappointment. Just huge.
But in my memory - the D's and supporters acted pretty badly between 2000 and 2006.
The difference, perhaps, is that right now, it's that many of the R politicians and party leaders are also involved in the poor behavior in a big way. But there are some who aren't, and it's aggravating to me when I see a rational or reasonable response from the R's being labelled "tepid".
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:18:04am |
re: #316 darthstar
I love percolated coffee, but my fiancee doesn't. I use aeropress these days, and it rules.
Have you read How To Travel With a Salmon, by Umberto Eco? Wonderful story in there about the different kinds of coffee.
In fact, here's that story: Anyone who loves java, read it:
[Link: www.netjaunt.com...]
The percolator quote:
whereas coffee made with an American percolator, such as you find in private houses or in humble luncheonettes, served with eggs and bacon, is delicious, fragrant, goes down like pure spring water, and afterwards causes severe palpitations, because one cup contains more caffeine than four espressos.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:19:30am |
re: #320 laZardo
It would be just too easy to make a racist Tiger Woods joke though.
Following the golf meme, I could see Newt (this is all speculative and pretend for those in 'I'm offended' land) , "Next Michelle will have to start attending to keep an eye on him..."
///coming from the oh so pure Newt
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:19:42am |
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:19:43am |
re: #304 ryannon
Bait and Switch on Prom Night:
McMillen tells The Advocate that a parent-organized prom happened behind her back — she and her date were sent to a Friday night event at a country club in Fulton, Miss., that attracted only five other students. Her school principal and teachers served as chaperones, but clearly there wasn't much to keep an eye on.
SNIP (with Mandy's scissors)
I read that the other night, what a crappy thing to do to a kid. I hope the other parents are proud of the lesson they just taught their kids.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:20:08am |
re: #315 Oh no...Sand People!
Had I been Newt and decided to make some lame attack, it would have been over golf. Both Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama played golf. President Obama has played a Shload of golf.
"Puttin' while the troops die!" Something like that to get the populous rage going...well, add to it anyway.
President Obama plays every Saturday, I believe. I'll give the guy 4 hours of leisure a week, given the number of hours he's working. Bush, while he golfed his ass off until he was criticized for doing it during a month where Americans were getting killed in high numbers and needed an example of 'sacrifice' to show he was suffering too (and that was the rationale given for his suspending his golf temporarily), was known for going to bed at 9:30 every night...regardless of what business was at hand.
You really can't compare the work ethic of the two men. Though President Obama hasn't gone out and moved pre-cut brush for the cameras yet, so Bush wins that one.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:20:14am |
re: #324 Obdicut
I use one of these:
[Link: www.coffee-makers-cafe.com...]
And my Mr. Coffee for iced coffee. I make a couple of pots of strong coffee, pour it into a plastic jar, and keep that in the fridge. When I want iced coffee, I just add pour some cold coffee and milk over ice.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:20:18am |
re: #326 MandyManners
Reuter's link in case you don't like/trust Arab Times.
Oops.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:20:28am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:21:06am |
re: #329 Mad Al-Jaffee
I use one of these:
[Link: www.coffee-makers-cafe.com...]
And my Mr. Coffee for iced coffee. I make a couple of pots of strong coffee, pour it into a plastic jar, and keep that in the fridge. When I want iced coffee, I just add pour some cold coffee and milk over ice.
That's what my grandmother did, only she added hot milk and called it cafe au lait.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:21:19am |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
I would be very happy with tepid. But I generally see schtizo responses from the GOP: Boehner saying something very reasonable and conciliatory in the morning and then saying something aggravating and pandering in the evening.
It is not going to be easy for me to overlook the welcoming in of the Birchers. That is so deeply alarming, and I can find no similar action on the side of the Democrats.
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:21:49am |
re: #327 RogueOne
I read that the other night, what a crappy thing to do to a kid. I hope the other parents are proud of the lesson they just taught their kids.
They probably are.
There are certainly many fine people in the state of Mississippi, but I don't think that these people are among them.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:22:01am |
re: #315 Oh no...Sand People!
Had I been Newt and decided to make some lame attack, it would have been over golf. Both Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama played golf. President Obama has played a Shload of golf.
"Puttin' while the troops die!" Something like that to get the populous rage going...well, add to it anyway.
But that would miss the point.
His objection was to use the dog whistle. Golf wouldn't work. But for that audience, basketball works perfectly.
For the technique to work, you have to have the right code words for the right audience.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:22:14am |
Tiger shot -4 in his first round back in forever. Tom Watson is 60 and shot -5. TW's rule!
Fred Couples, 50, led the field with -6. These 50-somethings and 60-somethings these days - they're just kids.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:22:24am |
re: #328 darthstar
President Obama plays every Saturday, I believe. I'll give the guy 4 hours of leisure a week, given the number of hours he's working. Bush, while he golfed his ass off until he was criticized for doing it during a month where Americans were getting killed in high numbers and needed an example of 'sacrifice' to show he was suffering too (and that was the rationale given for his suspending his golf temporarily), was known for going to bed at 9:30 every night...regardless of what business was at hand.
You really can't compare the work ethic of the two men. Though President Obama hasn't gone out and moved pre-cut brush for the cameras yet, so Bush wins that one.
I wont defend either one of them.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:22:41am |
re: #332 reine.de.tout
That's what my grandmother did, only she added hot milk and called it cafe au lait.
I usually heat up some mik in a mug and use a little hand frother to mix it up. I add what's in the moka pot to it and have a nice pseudo latte.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:23:20am |
re: #333 Obdicut
I would be very happy with tepid. But I generally see schtizo responses from the GOP: Boehner saying something very reasonable and conciliatory in the morning and then saying something aggravating and pandering in the evening.
It is not going to be easy for me to overlook the welcoming in of the Birchers. That is so deeply alarming, and I can find no similar action on the side of the Democrats.
The welcoming of the Birchers is indeed deeply alarming.
It's why I'm a political orphan these days.
'Course it's always been my habit to vote for the candidate, not the party, especially at the local level where party platform distinctions are often non-existent.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:23:28am |
This one is a bit of a stretch. If Mr. Obama hadn't been so public about is basketball prowess I would agree that mentioning basketball was a racial comment, but the President has been photographed and interviewed many times regarding his prowess on the court.
Results 1 - 10 of about 55,700,000 for Obama basketball
The gangsta stuff...that's racist; some of the tea party crap is racist, and the Reverend Wright stuff was racist too, this...nope, just Gingrich using the age old 'he doesn't pay attention, he's too busy__________".
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:23:47am |
re: #335 garhighway
But that would miss the point.
His objection was to use the dog whistle. Golf wouldn't work. But for that audience, basketball works perfectly.
For the technique to work, you have to have the right code words for the right audience.
Golf wouldn't work for the same reason his baseball throwing episodes wouldn't work, neither ability shows him to be much of an athlete.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:24:01am |
re: #335 garhighway
But that would miss the point.
His objection was to use the dog whistle. Golf wouldn't work. But for that audience, basketball works perfectly.
For the technique to work, you have to have the right code words for the right audience.
Exactly. My whole idea was to give Newt something to use that wouldn't have to be 'Dog Whistle' and still get his populist self righteous indignation both sides are begging for a flowing.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:24:44am |
re: #329 Mad Al-Jaffee
I use one of these:
[Link: www.coffee-makers-cafe.com...]
And my Mr. Coffee for iced coffee. I make a couple of pots of strong coffee, pour it into a plastic jar, and keep that in the fridge. When I want iced coffee, I just add pour some cold coffee and milk over ice.
I used to have a stove top espresso maker...loved it. Now I have one of these...it's great, but I only use it on weekends.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:25:38am |
Brb shower.
Also, I think I'm the only user online now that is a "person of color." IRL.
Just sayin'.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:25:53am |
re: #324 Obdicut
I love percolated coffee, but my fiancee doesn't. I use aeropress these days, and it rules.
Ah, the things we give up for love. :) In my case it was online gaming.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:26:11am |
re: #336 cliffster
Tiger shot -4 in his first round back in forever. Tom Watson is 60 and shot -5. TW's rule!
Fred Couples, 50, led the field with -6. These 50-somethings and 60-somethings these days - they're just kids.
I watched online yesterday while I was at work. Decided today would be a good home-office day. ;) And as it's the home-opener this weekend, I'll probably have time to watch Saturday and Sunday too. Oh, yeah...it's a lazy weekend for me.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:26:36am |
re: #344 laZardo
Brb shower.
Also, I think I'm the only user online now that is a "person of color." IRL.
Just sayin'.
I'm 'black Irish'...does that count?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:27:17am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:27:23am |
re: #336 cliffster
Tiger shot -4 in his first round back in forever. Tom Watson is 60 and shot -5. TW's rule!
Fred Couples, 50, led the field with -6. These 50-somethings and 60-somethings these days - they're just kids.
Did anyone hit any home runs or kick any field goals?
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:27:35am |
re: #340 Stonemason
I looove to watch him jump up and streeetttch to make a shot. *
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:27:54am |
Out of here... the karate school client I have off and on who I do general IT work for, needs me back. I went yesterday, they lost a years worth of contract data in their contract module, no back up, I restored from some year old data I found.
They called me last night, now inventory and sales transactions have gone to data heaven.
Dummies.
Every time I go there, I give them recommendations to about certain upgrades they need to do to their IT infrastructure, they never follow through.
Dummies.
They've never lost sales before, maybe they will listen to me this time?
Dummies
BBL.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:28:32am |
re: #347 darthstar
I'm 'black Irish'...does that count?
"Do I look like a Russian spy to you?"
"Black Russian!"
"That's a drink!"
"Says the head spy!"
(Bonus marks to anyone who can place that.)
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:29:02am |
re: #346 darthstar
I watched online yesterday while I was at work. Decided today would be a good home-office day. ;) And as it's the home-opener this weekend, I'll probably have time to watch Saturday and Sunday too. Oh, yeah...it's a lazy weekend for me.
If Tom Watson takes it to the top on Sunday again, I'm going to shit myself. This guy is unbelievable. Question of the decade: What part of You Can't Do This At Your Age don't you understand??
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:29:08am |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Dummies who have to pay! Go put some jingle in your pocket, Walter.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:30:26am |
re: #354 prairiefire
Dummies who have to pay! Go put some jingle in your pocket, Walter.
I need it... thanks... BBL
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:31:02am |
re: #304 ryannon
Bait and Switch on Prom Night:
McMillen tells The Advocate that a parent-organized prom happened behind her back — she and her date were sent to a Friday night event at a country club in Fulton, Miss., that attracted only five other students. Her school principal and teachers served as chaperones, but clearly there wasn't much to keep an eye on.
SNIP (with Mandy's scissors)
FRACK!
the degree of simple intolerance just does not compute with me at all.
I've been keeping up with this - but - jeeebus fracking C.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:31:27am |
re: #342 Oh no...Sand People!
Exactly. My whole idea was to give Newt something to use that wouldn't have to be 'Dog Whistle' and still get his populist self righteous indignation both sides are begging for a flowing.
But that's not his goal. His goal is to wink at the audience and say, in effect, "I want to remind you of one of the reasons you and I are on the same side here: we both hate that a black man is in the White House" without saying that. Golf doesn't work. Baseball doesn't work. Basketball works.
(Buchanan likes to do the same thing on financial issues, but with a different target. He always makes sure to only use the names of financial firms that sound Jewish.)
Let it never be said that Newt doesn't know his craft. He does. Nor, by the way, does this make him a racist. He might be, he might not be. But it means he is willing to push that button for his own gain. And that he thinks his audience is susceptible to that manipulation.
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CarleeCork Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:32:27am |
re: #304 ryannon
Bait and Switch on Prom Night:
McMillen tells The Advocate that a parent-organized prom happened behind her back — she and her date were sent to a Friday night event at a country club in Fulton, Miss., that attracted only five other students. Her school principal and teachers served as chaperones, but clearly there wasn't much to keep an eye on.
SNIP (with Mandy's scissors)
Wow! How sad for her, to miss her prom. And to think, "adults" did this?
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:32:38am |
re: #357 wozzablog
It's making an adult out of her. I think she's handled it well.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:32:53am |
More details released about what the National 9/11 memorial/museum exhibits will look like.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:33:03am |
Too many posts to use the reply feature:
the only people who see the 'dog-whistle' here are the ones who want to see it, who want every republican to be proven as racist neanderthals.
And for the poster who accused Bush of playing golf so much:
Maybe he slowed down on the golf, much like the poster claimed Mr. Bush did, but the Basketball continues, it is his sport of choice, therefore, fair game.
Maybe those who see this as a racial thing are the racists???? ever think of that? Ohhhh, Newt said that 'cause only black people play basketball...
Think about it...
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:34:05am |
re: #358 garhighway
But that's not his goal. His goal is to wink at the audience and say, in effect, "I want to remind you of one of the reasons you and I are on the same side here: we both hate that a black man is in the White House" without saying that. Golf doesn't work. Baseball doesn't work. Basketball works.
just wow.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:34:23am |
re: #358 garhighway
But that's not his goal. His goal is to wink at the audience and say, in effect, "I want to remind you of one of the reasons you and I are on the same side here: we both hate that a black man is in the White House" without saying that. Golf doesn't work. Baseball doesn't work. Basketball works.
(Buchanan likes to do the same thing on financial issues, but with a different target. He always makes sure to only use the names of financial firms that sound Jewish.)
Let it never be said that Newt doesn't know his craft. He does. Nor, by the way, does this make him a racist. He might be, he might not be. But it means he is willing to push that button for his own gain. And that he thinks his audience is susceptible to that manipulation.
We are on the same page here. I am just offering the alternative road that could have easily been taken yet obviously chosen not to.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:34:36am |
re: #362 Stonemason
the only people who see the 'dog-whistle' here are the ones who want to see it, who want every republican to be proven as racist neanderthals.
Like Charles?
Maybe those who see this as a racial thing are the racists??? ever think of that? Ohhh, Newt said that 'cause only black people play basketball...
Dude, that is so lame. Everyone's hear the 'the one pointing out racism is the real racist' defense before.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:35:13am |
re: #360 prairiefire
I would not have had half of the dignity and grace she has shown under this level of societal fucktardedness.
The young lady is an inspiration to any and all outsiders who have been shat upon by society from the greatest of heights.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:35:23am |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
Stewart Rips Fox News For Inaccurate Reporting On Nuclear Arms Treaty (VIDEO)
Thanks...missed that last night...good stuff.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:35:28am |
re: #358 garhighway
Golf doesn't work. Baseball doesn't work. Basketball works.
Why? because you think only black people play hoops?
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:36:57am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:37:05am |
Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens retiring...
No link yet.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:37:06am |
re: #365 Obdicut
Dude, that is so lame. Everyone's hear the 'the one pointing out racism is the real racist' defense before.
I don't think you get it, dude. You see, racism would go away if only people stopped pointing it out.
//
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Jadespring Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:37:50am |
Just thought I would mention this.
Today we are commemorating the Battle of Vimy Ridge but more so the end of an era in history. Canada's last vet of WW1 died this February. I recall attending Rememberence Day ceremonies all through my youth and into adulthood and seeing many WW1 vets, but every year there were less and less. When the last one in my locale died it was a difficult year but there were still some somewhere. Now there will be none. They're all gone.
I will remember.
May they all rest in peace.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:07am |
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:18am |
re: #370 Cannadian Club Akbar
Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens retiring...
No link yet.
It's on TPM, but without a link.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:23am |
re: #353 cliffster
If Tom Watson takes it to the top on Sunday again, I'm going to shit myself. This guy is unbelievable. Question of the decade: What part of You Can't Do This At Your Age don't you understand??
I flipped on the Golf Channel last night and they were replaying an interview with Watson from a week ago. He predicted Couples would be in first, Westwood in second, and Woods in third (He just didn't predict he'd be sharing second with Westwood).
I've always liked Watson (far more than I liked Nicholas)
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:30am |
At this point I, personally, would take a 3 point shooter over a fat, overweight, bureaucrat positioning himself to bilk me out of money with crap emails and crap promises so he can fly around the country in his self importance. I at least get entertainment from the 3 point shot.
Just go away Newt. We don't want you. Well, I don't want you.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:31am |
re: #368 Stonemason
Why? because you think only black people play hoops?
You said earlier there were too many posts to use the reply feature. Were there too many to read as well? This point has been answered several times.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:35am |
re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hmm Darth? Have no idea why you are replied there.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:39:13am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:39:30am |
re: #370 Cannadian Club Akbar
No biggie. They can't find anyone more liberal than he to replace him with.
No harm, no foul. Confirm and move to next item.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:39:40am |
re: #375 garhighway
It's on TPM, but without a link.
I used my google-fu, but only getting Twitter feeds.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:39:40am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:40:17am |
re: #380 darthstar
That is not nearly enough sleep. Any job is about balance. Even the most powerful, important job in the world.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:40:59am |
re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No biggie. They can't find anyone more liberal than he to replace him with.
No harm, no foul. Confirm and move to next item.
That's not how this will play out.
It will be Sotomayor all over again, with only the particulars changing.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:41:01am |
re: #369 garhighway
Remember his audience.
Right...all racist republicans...
Don't you see the big brush?
I am sure there were racists in the crowd, just like I am sure there are racists in every walk of life, but to try to make the claim that this is a racists statement when President Obama references basketball all the time is a stretch.
And to o'cut: yes, but that's his choice, his right, and I respect his right to have the opinion much like he has respected my right to disagree here.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:41:33am |
re: #380 darthstar
Are you going to begrudge him his six hours of sleep a night as well?
Destroying an economy is hard work. I'm impressed by his work ethic. I just wish he would sleep longer, play harder, vacation more, anything to keep that man from a pen and a bill of legislation. The (R)'s are doing it all wrong. They should PRAISE his time off and encourage more of it.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:41:44am |
Good news watch.
If you want to get to a national park during April 17-25, you're in luck.
All 392 national parks in the US are going to be free to enter for that week.
To make it easier to experience America's Great Outdoors, the National Park Service is waiving entrance fees, so visitors can enjoy all 392 national parks for free April 17-25.
So, if you're close to any of our national treasures, here's your chance to see the greatness free!
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:41:46am |
re: #377 Oh no...Sand People!
At this point I, personally, would take a 3 point shooter over a fat, overweight, bureaucrat positioning himself to bilk me out of money with crap emails and crap promises so he can fly around the country in his self importance. I at least get entertainment from the 3 point shot.
Just go away Newt. We don't want you. Well, I don't want you.
I'd prefer a Rhodes Scholar to a Rocky Road Scholar any day.
(Yes, I know Obama isn't one, but I had to stretch for that joke.)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:41:53am |
re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is not nearly enough sleep. Any job is about balance. Even the most powerful, important job in the world.
That is why it takes about a month before the gray hair pops up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:42:06am |
re: #380 darthstar
Not at all. I'm just saying you can't play "golf" in a half hour.
I don't golf, but I've always imagined that 18 holes would be a four or five hour commitment including travel time....
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:42:20am |
re: #371 Kruk
I don't think you get it, dude. You see, racism would go away if only people stopped pointing it out.
//
Wrong, racism will never go away, not as long as humans live. One group will always feel superior to another, much like progressives now feel superior to conservatives due to some of the stupidity in the GOP.
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:42:30am |
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:43:16am |
re: #386 Stonemason
Right...all racist republicans...
Don't you see the big brush?
I am sure there were racists in the crowd, just like I am sure there are racists in every walk of life, but to try to make the claim that this is a racists statement when President Obama references basketball all the time is a stretch.
And to o'cut: yes, but that's his choice, his right, and I respect his right to have the opinion much like he has respected my right to disagree here.
Not all.
Just enough to make the tactic worthwhile.
I think he felt he was in a target-rich environment.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:43:36am |
re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Airforce one helps a bit with the tee-time turn around.
;-)
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:43:44am |
Just breaking: Justice Stevens to retire from the US Supreme Court this summer, according to AP.
Let me remind everyone that this will not change the balance of the Court since Stevens will be more than likely replaced by a liberal judge, although it remains to be seen whether his replacement will be nearly as liberal as the soon to be retired justice.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:43:45am |
re: #382 Cannadian Club Akbar
I used my google-fu, but only getting Twitter feeds.
WSJ Online just reported it.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:44:15am |
re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is not nearly enough sleep. Any job is about balance. Even the most powerful, important job in the world.
My point (in 328, which I suppose you appropriately linked) was that four hours of golf a week isn't too much to ask for a guy who seems to be working seven days a week. Sure, he's taken three or four weeks of vacation, but that's less than half the vacation the previous president had taken by this time (not that comparison is relevant).
I know some people don't like Obama, but the guy is working his ass off and takes his job very seriously. If he wants to take a break one day a week for some mental recharging (and it's not like he doesn't have a Secret Service guy on the course with him holding 'the football'...so he's never really off the job), I'm not going to hold that against him.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:45:18am |
re: #386 Stonemason
Okay. So you really are saying that Charles is someone who "who want[s] every republican to be proven as racist neanderthals."?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:45:25am |
re: #396 wozzablog
Hell no it wouldn't. Marine One could drop your ass at the first hole and you are still a half-hour from your first shot off tee.
I do not begrudge a man from his hobbies. Just, well gosh... golf takes sooo much time...
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:46:57am |
re: #393 Stonemason
Wrong, racism will never go away, not as long as humans live. One group will always feel superior to another, much like progressives now feel superior to conservatives due to some of the stupidity in the GOP.
Racism is about far more than a feeling of superiority. It's about acting to disadvantage members of another race (or to advantage one's own race), whether conciously or unconciously.
And as for stupidity in the GOP, I don't have a problem with that per se. The problem is that large parts of the GOP seems to actively embrace the stooopid.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:47:10am |
re: #385 garhighway
That's not how this will play out.
It will be Sotomayor all over again, with only the particulars changing.
I heard a story on NPR where people were arguing that President Obama should pick an evangelical Christian for the SCOTUS - because there's not enough balance of religions - yeah, find a good, moderate, evangelical Christian and I'll give you a nickel.
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:47:45am |
re: #400 freetoken
What is a "liberal judge"?
It's like a unicorn. Looks pretty in black velvet, but you never see one in the wild.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:47:46am |
re: #399 darthstar
"A President never truly gets a vacation, he only gets a change of location."
-Reagan
I don't grudge him his leisure time... he needs more sleep though. Ask any physician who specializes in sleep.
Delegate, Mr. President. Get some rest.
I still think Carter's greatest failure was micromanaging.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:47:54am |
Speaking of dog whistles, Fox News posted a story online: Obama Criticizes Virginia Governor for Slavery Omission in Confederacy Month Proclamation
The comments read like, well, a cross between the FreeRepublic and VDARE.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:48:02am |
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:48:06am |
re: #388 lawhawk
Good news watch.
If you want to get to a national park during April 17-25, you're in luck.
All 392 national parks in the US are going to be free to enter for that week.
So, if you're close to any of our national treasures, here's your chance to see the greatness free!
when I was a boy, they were all free, it was mandated that way from the beginning...it's a shame that we have to pay up front to view our own lands...just another tax, and it's not the money, it's the principle
| 410 |
garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:48:17am |
re: #404 darthstar
I heard a story on NPR where people were arguing that President Obama should pick an evangelical Christian for the SCOTUS - because there's not enough balance of religions - yeah, find a good, moderate, evangelical Christian and I'll give you a nickel.
For that matter, pick an atheist.
And watch heads explode.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:48:31am |
Hmm. So while Newt blows his dogwhistle you have Unions joking about the DEATH of a Governor.
[Link: wcbstv.com...]
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie isn't laughing about a teachers union's memo that hints of his death.
The memo is the latest salvo in a war of words between Christie and the union over wage and benefits concessions.
The Record of Bergen County obtained the Bergen County Education Association memo that includes a closing prayer:
"Dear Lord this year you have taken away my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze, my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett, my favorite singer, Michael Jackson, and my favorite salesman, Billy Mays. I just wanted to let you know that Chris Christie is my favorite governor."
Association president Joe Coppola says the "prayer" was a joke and was never meant to be made public.
Oh..so that makes it ok. Glad we cleared that up.
Union chumps.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:48:37am |
re: #380 darthstar
Are you going to begrudge him his six hours of sleep a night as well?
And my point is made. Presidents need down time, whether it be watching a movie, playing golf, having a date with the wife. Newt picked the one thing Mr. Obama makes a big deal over.
Let me go at this from another angle. Who makes the list of things that can be said about Mr. Obama? Who?
And what makes that person the arbiter of taste and racist statements?
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:48:47am |
re: #404 darthstar
I heard a story on NPR where people were arguing that President Obama should pick an evangelical Christian for the SCOTUS - because there's not enough balance of religions - yeah, find a good, moderate, evangelical Christian and I'll give you a nickel.
Do you know what "evangelical" means?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:49:31am |
re: #407 freetoken
Speaking of dog whistles, Fox News posted a story online: Obama Criticizes Virginia Governor for Slavery Omission in Confederacy Month Proclamation
The comments read like, well, a cross between the FreeRepublic and VDARE.
Fox news is really something.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:49:55am |
re: #410 garhighway
For that matter, pick an atheist.
And watch heads explode.
For that matter. Pick a Constitutional purist.
Watch heads explode.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:50:00am |
re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not at all. I'm just saying you can't play "golf" in a half hour.
I don't golf, but I've always imagined that 18 holes would be a four or five hour commitment including travel time...
six for me, if there are trees and water nearby!
| 418 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:50:30am |
BO fans sound like they are exceptionally well tuned into his personal habits...like a fan/gossip magazine...Ringo loves jellybeans!
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:50:53am |
re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
For that matter. Pick a Constitutional purist.
Watch heads explode.
That damned outdated piece of paper!!
//
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:50:53am |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Carter was not a great communicator. That helped Reagan quite a bit. I think we are seeing history repeat itself!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:50:58am |
re: #418 albusteve
I thought that was Paul?!?!
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:51:21am |
re: #418 albusteve
BO fans sound like they are exceptionally well tuned into his personal habits...like a fan/gossip magazine...Ringo loves jellybeans!
Well, he is our (False) Prophet, after all.
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:51:21am |
"Hi, Constance! And welcome to the Prom!
[Link: www.itawambaahs.com...]
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:51:24am |
re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
For that matter. Pick a Constitutional purist.
Watch heads explode.
I think they are pretty well represented on the current bench.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:51:29am |
re: #415 Killgore Trout
Heh, they are sending one of their stars, Sean Hannity to the we-dare-not-call-it-dog-whistling SRLC for live coverage.
They know their audience.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:51:48am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:52:02am |
re: #422 Kruk
Well, he is our (False) Prophet, after all.
Finally! I am glad you own up and I applaud your honesty.
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:52:22am |
re: #418 albusteve
His oldest daughter looks like my daughter. Michelle shops at J Crew. I'm a partisan demmie fan girl, that's for sure.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:52:42am |
The French minister of industry Christian Estrosi said it cemented the “engagement of France with the Palestinian government for the economic development of Palestine."
SNIP
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Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:53:52am |
re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really? You think so?
I don't think so at all.
He fits all the signs of the Anti-Christ. Charismatic, lauded across the world, hailed as a peace-maker....I'm just saying.
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:54:02am |
re: #423 ryannon
Not meaning to beat the subject to death, but I wanted to link to the pics on the "Administration" page - definitely worth a look.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:54:17am |
re: #430 Kruk
Come down off the watertower, dude.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:54:41am |
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:55:10am |
re: #413 MandyManners
Do you know what "evangelical" means?
High regard for biblical authority....yes. The bible isn't the book we should be basing our laws on. The Constitution is the document to which we should adhere. And when people say 'Evangelical Christian' today, they mean people who put their faith first. The SCOTUS shouldn't be about faith. It should be about interpreting the constitution.
And yes, I do think there are too many fucking Catholics on the court myself. The problem, though, is that some brand of Christian faith (or Judaism) is a prerequisite for positions of power in this country. It shouldn't be.
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:55:19am |
re: #395 garhighway
Not all.
Just enough to make the tactic worthwhile.
I think he felt he was in a target-rich environment.
I get that, you think he did it on purpose, you think he worded a speech in a racist manner. Based on years of observing racist actions and comments from Newt? Or based on a desire to find racism in an innocuous speech at what is most likely going to turn out to be a conference where real racism is displayed?
I imagine the rest of this conference is going to be crap, proof that there are racists in the world. I know that, which is why I denounce racism when I find it. What I a saying, poorly I guess, is that denouncing borderline stuff is sorta like crying wolf.
| 436 |
Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:56:33am |
Well, gotta go. Later peeps.
//'peeps' is chicken whistle.
| 437 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:57:52am |
re: #436 Oh no...Sand People!
//'peeps' is chicken whistle marshmallows.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:58:32am |
Looks like Pluto planet-ness continues to degrade:
Dwarf planets accumulate in outer Solar System
PLUTO’S STATUS MAY TAKE a further hit, say Australian astronomers, if around 50 neighbouring space objects join the ranks of the dwarf planets.
Pluto was demoted to ‘dwarf planet’ in a decision by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) in 2006. This decision – which was unpopular with the general public – was based on the discovery of many objects which were a similar size or larger than Pluto in a zone of the Solar System known as the Kuiper Belt.
Other dwarf planets include Ceres, the largest asteroid in the rock-strewn belt between Mars and Jupiter, and four Kuiper Belt objects: Eris, Makemake, Haumea and Quaoar.
Now, astronomers Charley Lineweaver and Marc Norman, from the Australian National University in Canberra, say the definition of what it means to be a dwarf planet should be revised to include many smaller objects too.
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garhighway Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:58:42am |
re: #435 Stonemason
I get that, you think he did it on purpose, you think he worded a speech in a racist manner.
Yes, I think that.
Given the title of this thread, I suspect I am not alone.
You want to give him the benefit of the doubt, feel free.
But I happen to think that Newt is very, very good at what he does. He does not choose his words carelessly. He does not fail to pay attention to his audience. So I perceive premeditation. But neither you or I will ever really know.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:58:51am |
While I'm still not a fan of Obama's Middle East policy, I am very much relieved to see that the State Department has finally made an explicit statement "Strongly Condemn[ing]" Palestinian incitement and glorification of terrorists.
Among the more insulting aspects to the whole Jerusalem-housing dispute was the way the US handled all Palestinian actions that occurred concurrently and in the aftermath with kiddie-gloves and as delicately as possible, while using very harsh diplomatic language against Israel. This statement is long-overdue, but much better late than never.
Speaking to reporters, State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley addressed both the recently uncovered naming of a Ramallah street after the Hamas suicide bombings mastermind Yihyeh Ayyash, as well as to statements made by PA officials, condemning the refurbishing of an ancient synagogue in Jerusalem's Old City.
"We also strongly condemn the glorification of terrorists," Crowley said, adding that "honoring terrorists who have murdered innocent civilians, either by official statements or by the dedication of public places, hurts peace efforts and must end."
The State Department official also added that the U.S. would " continue to hold Palestinian leaders accountable for incitement."
Crowley also addressed comments made by PA officials in the wake of the rededication of the Hurva synagogue in Jerusalem's Jewish Quarter.
Last month Palestinians rioted in Jerusalem as part of a "day of rage" declared by Hamas, also protesting the rededication of the Hurva Synagogue in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem.
Fatah official Khatem Abd el-Kader, called Palestinians to "converge on al Aksa to save it" from "Israeli attempts to destroy the mosque and replace it with the [Jewish] temple," calling the synagogue's rededication a "provocation," adding that Israel is "playing with fire."
In his statement Thursday, Crowley said that the U.S. was "disturbed by comments of Palestinian Authority officials regarding reconstruction and refurbishing of Jewish sites in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem's Old City."
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:59:02am |
re: #434 darthstar
Evangelical means we are to spread the word that Jesus Christ is Lord.
That can infuse one's interpretation of the Constitution. But another Christian is not going to affect my decisions. "Let each man work out his own salvation with fear and trembling."
My interpretation is to the left.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:59:49am |
re: #438 freetoken
Looks like Pluto planet-ness continues to degrade:
Commie scientists...just trying to make sure the poor little working rock can't rise above their dwarf proletariat station/
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:00:11am |
re: #441 prairiefire
Evangelical means we are to spread the word that Jesus Christ is Lord.
That can infuse one's interpretation of the Constitution. But another Christian is not going to affect my decisions. "Let each man work out his own salvation with fear and trembling."
My interpretation is to the left.
nicely done
| 445 |
darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:00:13am |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:00:22am |
re: #286 NJDhockeyfan
I posted that yesterday. I think the young girl was given FGM just prior to the wedding rape nightmare and this is what caused her death.
| 447 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:00:24am |
re: #434 darthstar
High regard for biblical authority...yes. The bible isn't the book we should be basing our laws on. The Constitution is the document to which we should adhere. And when people say 'Evangelical Christian' today, they mean people who put their faith first. The SCOTUS shouldn't be about faith. It should be about interpreting the constitution.
And yes, I do think there are too many fucking Catholics on the court myself. The problem, though, is that some brand of Christian faith (or Judaism) is a prerequisite for positions of power in this country. It shouldn't be.
| 448 |
prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:00:42am |
re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cadbury's chocolate with the caramel center.
| 449 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:01:22am |
| 450 |
William of Orange Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:01:38am |
I stopped reading this post after "Gingrich blows..."
| 451 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:01:38am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:02:48am |
re: #440 Joo-LiZ
The PA leadership's most recent show of terror support was last week, when both Abbas and Fayyad honored one of the notorious terrorists of the first years of the Palestinian terror war (the "Intifada"). Abdallah Daud headed the Palestinian intelligence service in Bethlehem, and was actively involved in the Palestinian terror against Israeli civilians. When Israel entered Bethlehem in 2002 in an attempt to eradicate the Palestinian terror, Abdallah Daud was one of the most wanted Palestinian terrorists who stormed into the Church of the Nativity. For several weeks, Daud and his fellow terrorists continued fighting against Israel from inside the church, essentially using the monks and the religious site as their shields.
SNIP
| 454 |
darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:03:16am |
re: #441 prairiefire
Evangelical means we are to spread the word that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Not the responsibility of the Supreme Court of the United States. Change the constitution to reflect that, and I'll defer. (though I know that's not your point...my point, and I avoided the 'spread the word' part as I don't want to get into a theological debate, was that most evangelical Christians are quite conservative, and the suggestion Obama appoint one is a thinly veiled effort to push the court further to the right.
| 455 |
Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:04:04am |
re: #189 freetoken
I think they should sign the NPT also. Does that put me in the anti-Israel camp also?
No -- but I would ask that we keep things in perspective.
Israel has a deliberate policy of ambiguity, but if they have Nukes, they have never used them, nor threatened to use them despite numerous wars throughout it's history.
Focus on the real threats first: Iran/NorK/Pakistan.
The trouble with bringing up Israel in this conference is that if Obama let's it, these other states could well end up consuming a LOT of time on Israel and not dealing with any other countries. This is a tactic used by the UN Human Rights Council all the time. There is a limited amount of time in the UNHRC working year to deal with specific issues, so countries and GONGOs (Government-Operated NGOs) fill up the agenda with Israel-focused issues and the rest of the world gets ignored.
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Slap Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:05:18am |
re: #372 Jadespring
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I get almost irrationally heartbroken whenever I consider the horror of that war. (The slaughter of the Battle of the Somme, alone, boggles the mind.) MacDonald has done magnificent work over the last couple of decades in recording the remembrances of the dwindling number of living British and Canadian vets of that conflict.
I applaud and encourage all such efforts. The remembrances of brave men who endured horrors beyond imagining should be preserved. Perhaps one day we'll begin to hear them.
My salute to you for reminding us.
| 457 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:05:30am |
A young Muslim woman had died after her burkha became snagged in a go-kart.
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
doesn't seem worth it....just too bizarre
| 458 |
Kruk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:05:48am |
re: #450 William of Orange
I stopped reading this post after "Gingrich blows..."
Heh. I'm sure there's a Larry Craig joke there somewhere, but I'm not touching it.
| 459 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:06:59am |
Cool.
This photo was taken yesterday across the street from the building where I used to work.
| 460 |
Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:07:17am |
re: #284 freetoken
Why do you believe that Turkey does not wish for the other three nations (Pakistan, India, NK) to sign the NPT?
Can you show me where they have publicly called for it?
| 461 |
Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:01am |
re: #401 Obdicut
Okay. So you really are saying that Charles is someone who "who want[s] every republican to be proven as racist neanderthals."?
Hmmm...maybe that was a stretch, I would imagine that is not the case. Hyperbole can get one in trouble sometimes.
Have I painted myself into a corner? I guess, but it is my opinion that this one post is a non-troversy, that is not to say that the hundreds of top posts that proceeded it were of the same ilk, 99 percent of them were pointing out obvious racist tactics by members of the republican party.
Am I going to stand on my statement that the top post here, on this thread, is based on looking for racism to prove a point? yes I am.
that in no way means, however, that Mr. Johnson is anything other than what Mr. Johnson claims to be, it is just my opinion, about this one post.
My point, made poorly as usual, is that this is crying wolf.
| 462 |
cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:05am |
I've heard people here before making fun of people walking around with their metal detectors.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:06am |
re: #400 freetoken
What is a "liberal judge"?
"Keeping Faith With the Constitution," a 2009 book that he co-wrote, discusses the shortcomings of "originalism," a conservative legal theory maintaining that the Constitution should be interpreted based on its 18th century framers' intent. Progressive judges tend to see the Constitution as a living document, shifting with the times, and to validate rights that they see as logical extensions of it.
In short, to validate rights that they, the unelected judiciary, "see fit".
Silly me. I thought we had a legislature for that.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:08am |
In addition to the US and British teams, the teams representing France, Germany and defending champions Italy are on the terror group's list of targets.
"All those countries are part of the Zionist-Crusader campaign against Islam," says al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb statement published late Thursday in a recent issue of the jihadist online magazine 'Mushtaqun Lel Jannah'.
"How amazing could the match between the United States and England be if, during a live broadcast with a stadium packed with spectators, the sound of an explosion rumbles through the stands, the whole stadium is turned upside down and the number of dead bodies are in their dozens and hundreds, God willing," the statement says.
SNIP
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:08am |
re: #456 Slap
I missed that post. Thanks for replying to it.
Won't be long before all of our Boys from WWII will be gone too. 20 years? Maybe? All of the ones I know are very elderly. Many are in failing health.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:56am |
re: #459 reine.de.tout
Cool.
This photo was taken yesterday across the street from the building where I used to work.
mmmm!....on a stick!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:09:49am |
re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I missed that post. Thanks for replying to it.
Won't be long before all of our Boys from WWII will be gone too. 20 years? Maybe? All of the ones I know are very elderly. Many are in failing health.
Yep. My grandfather isn't going to last much longer. He was in the Battle of the Bulge. Tough sledding in the Ardennes there for a while...
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:09:54am |
later days y'all.
re: #463 Aceofwhat?
"Keeping Faith With the Constitution," a 2009 book that he co-wrote, discusses the shortcomings of "originalism," a conservative legal theory maintaining that the Constitution should be interpreted based on its 18th century framers' intent. Progressive judges tend to see the Constitution as a living document, shifting with the times, and to validate rights that they see as logical extensions of it.
In short, to validate rights that they, the unelected judiciary, "see fit".
Silly me. I thought we had a legislature for that.
um.....................
Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U.S. 483 (1954),[1] was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that declared state laws establishing separate public schools for black and white students and denying black children equal educational opportunities unconstitutional.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:09:57am |
re: #459 reine.de.tout
Cool.
This photo was taken yesterday across the street from the building where I used to work.
He's a cute little guy!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:10:07am |
re: #462 cliffster
Yep. Better chances playing the lottery.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:10:45am |
re: #455 Joo-LiZ
Didja' see my link above about Irvine's MSU's lies about planning to disrupt Oren's speech?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:00am |
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:04am |
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:11am |
re: #234 freetoken
I'm not discounting anything. Yet, if there is a meeting whose reason for being is "nuclear security" (to use the BBC phrase), I can hardly fault any nation for bringing up the existence of nuclear weapons in the hands of neighbor/near-by states.
Why did the Israeli PM even originally plan to attend such a meeting? It seems like a major faux pas on the part of Netanyahu? As the BBC's analyst points out in the link you gave:
I'm not sure on why you relate the NPT/nuclear summit issue with this.
Turkey under Erdogan has had a long series of actions that move it into the anti-Israel pro-Iran camp. It is slowly but clearly sliding more and more into the Islamist world and turning it's back on Western values.
As for Bibi cancelling, people have speculated a number of reasons more to do with Obama himself than the official reason given. It could be a snub of Obama after reports he is considering an imposed solution, could have been because of the new Nuclear weapons stance that the administration recently released, could simply be to avoid a public encounter with Obama while tensions still haven't cooled completely -- we have seen how the media takes every opportunity to comment on the worsening relations, who knows what minor thing could spark a media circus.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:24am |
Looks like somebody found the unedited Wikileaks video.....
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!!
Their 17 minute version edited out any mention of hostile gunfire on the part of insurgents for the purpose of defaming U.S. Defence Forces. WikiLeak head Julian Assange has since reluctantly admitted to AK-47 and RPGs being present. To their credit, they did release a full 39 minute version, but for “research” purposes only. Their edited version tells a very different story.0:26 The “Black van” dropping off possible insurgents.
0:46 “We got a target fifteen coming at you, it’s a guy with a weapon.”
1:05 “One of them has a weapon.”
1:27 Guy carrying AK-47, and other with RPG (no way it a tripod) that had previously fired on U.S. Troops. WikiLeak video distracts you with letter box about a camera Bag).
3:53 “Roger, be advised, there were some guys popping out with the AKs behind that dirt pile. Break.”
4:25 “Uh, location, I have about 12 to 15 dead bodies. Where else were you taking fire from?”
4:34 They had AK-47s and were to our East. So, where we were taking small arms fire, over.
4:59 “I also wanted to make sure you knew that we had a guy with an RPG crouching around the corner, Getting ready to fire on your location. That’s why we requested permission to engage.”
5:17 (IMPORTANT) “Six this is four, I got one individual looks like he’s got an RPG round laying underneath him. Break.” (Note: Four was at the scene of the shooting and found an RPG, of course wikileaks left that out).
5:43 “ I can hear small arms fire from your engagement area…”
6:10 “Right about where we engaged? Yeah, one of them with that RPG or whatever.”
6:19 “He’s got a weapon. Got an RP–, uh AK-47.”
6:34 “Roger, we have another individual with a weapon.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:36am |
Gators are cute!!!
/
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:41am |
re: #463 Aceofwhat?
LA Times says Liberals = Progressives?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:11:47am |
re: #475 cliffster
Haven't always been a veggie...
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:12:45am |
re: #457 albusteve
A young Muslim woman had died after her burkha became snagged in a go-kart.
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
doesn't seem worth it...just too bizarre
Isadora Duncan is crying, or laughing.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:12:46am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Damnit, another liveleak video that won't embed.....
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!!
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:12:52am |
re: #473 MandyManners
Didja' see my link above about Irvine's MSU's lies about planning to disrupt Oren's speech?
Nope not yet... did you see the video of the Jewish students speaking up to their Student Union?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:13:06am |
re: #469 wozzablog
later days y'all.
later days y'all.
re: #463 Aceofwhat?
Per the LA Times...
"Keeping Faith With the Constitution," a 2009 book that he co-wrote, discusses the shortcomings of "originalism," a conservative legal theory maintaining that the Constitution should be interpreted based on its 18th century framers' intent. Progressive judges tend to see the Constitution as a living document, shifting with the times, and to validate rights that they see as logical extensions of it.
In short, to validate rights that they, the unelected judiciary, "see fit".
Silly me. I thought we had a legislature for that.
um...
Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U.S. 483 (1954),[1] was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that declared state laws establishing separate public schools for black and white students and denying black children equal educational opportunities unconstitutional.
Hookay. I expect you never to complain about the Roberts court "overreaching", in that case. If you want the cake, you may not eat the cake...
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:13:44am |
re: #454 darthstar
As I recall, long ago in the '60's, there were a lot more of us liberal evangelicals. You are correct about the demographics now.
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Stanghazi Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:13:50am |
re: #478 Cannadian Club Akbar
Gators are cute!!!
/
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:14:14am |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:14:18am |
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:14:27am |
re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Haven't always been a veggie...
I've made a move to all organic, free-range. Haven't gotten to the point where I can research all the sources, but I'll get to that point.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:14:36am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Looks like somebody found the unedited Wikileaks video...
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!![Video]
Can't get the video to play.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:14:53am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:15:17am |
re: #476 Joo-LiZ
The only translation I've found is from pajamas media.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:15:20am |
re: #486 Stanley Sea
I'm guessing very few people down there in the swamps have pet doors...
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:15:41am |
re: #462 cliffster
I've heard people here before making fun of people walking around with their metal detectors.
cool...and there is more about fresh water there....I booked it, thanks
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:16:09am |
re: #446 Alouette
I posted that yesterday. I think the young girl was given FGM just prior to the wedding rape nightmare and this is what caused her death.
YEMEN: 24 percent of Yemeni women experience genital mutilation
I'd say more, but this is one subject I'm incapable of discussing in a calm, rational manner.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:16:25am |
re: #482 Killgore Trout
Damnit, another liveleak video that won't embed...
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!!
Pretty standard stuff. Totally unsurprised.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:16:37am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Looks like somebody found the unedited Wikileaks video...
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!![Video]
I read somewhere today that it was 20 minutes, not 17. Either way, I'm glad the whole tape is available.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:16:39am |
re: #485 prairiefire
As I recall, long ago in the '60's, there were a lot more of us liberal evangelicals. You are correct about the demographics now.
Depends...if you observed my interpersonal interactions, you'd probably mistake me for a huge lib. I just think that the overriding principles for a happy, productive society aren't necessarily the same as the principles which guide my daily actions. In politics, that makes me a moderate conservative, but in person, everyone always figures me for a liberal.
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kingkenrod Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:16:52am |
Maybe this was mentioned earlier, I don't know...but Gingrich was referring to a recent event. Obama was interviewed while playing a game of of HORSE (or some equivalent) with Clark Kellogg last week. Obama won, making many 3 pointers. The tape was shown during the Final Four.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:17:01am |
re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm guessing very few people down there in the swamps have pet doors...
[Link: www.bimmerfest.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:17:10am |
My karma's been rockin' lately.
I'm obviously a potential politician. I'm a pandering shit-heel.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:17:12am |
re: #492 MandyManners
The only translation I've found is from pajamas media.
Yup, that one I saw. Everyone gets it from Maariv though.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's true, but I think that one deserves some skepticism until anyone else can corroborate it.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:17:42am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Looks like somebody found the unedited Wikileaks video...
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!![Video]
i haven't looked into this nearly as much as you have...would you say this definitively proves those asshats intentionally slanted the video to make the US look like war criminals?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:19:10am |
re: #499 kingkenrod
Maybe this was mentioned earlier, I don't know...but Gingrich was referring to a recent event. Obama was interviewed while playing a game of of HORSE (or some equivalent) with Clark Kellogg last week. Obama won, making many 3 pointers. The tape was shown during the Final Four.
It's still bullshit. I was proud of GWB for being a biker, and I'm proud that Obama is a hoopster. A president who can set a good example of physical as well as intellectual health is something to be proud of, not something to denigrate.
At the very least, Newt is extolling a lifestyle that makes our insurance more expensive. At the worst, he's being racist. Neither are ok with me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:19:13am |
re: #501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My karma's been rockin' lately.
I'm obviously a potential politician. I'm a pandering shit-heel.
Down ding for telling the truth.
/
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Jadespring Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:19:22am |
re: #456 Slap
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I get almost irrationally heartbroken whenever I consider the horror of that war. (The slaughter of the Battle of the Somme, alone, boggles the mind.) MacDonald has done magnificent work over the last couple of decades in recording the remembrances of the dwindling number of living British and Canadian vets of that conflict.
I applaud and encourage all such efforts. The remembrances of brave men who endured horrors beyond imagining should be preserved. Perhaps one day we'll begin to hear them.
My salute to you for reminding us.
Thanks for the link.
I'm watching the ceremony that's occurring right now at the National War Memorial. There are thousands there right now. The coverage is quite good and they're covering a lot of memories from vets that have been recorded in the past few decades. I've surprised myself at how weepy I am. I'm thinking of my own relatives that are long gone now that fought in that war. I'm thankful that we did have some in our family that had the forethought of recording their memories and thoughts. They are precious notebooks and even more so now.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:19:32am |
re: #492 MandyManners
I posted the link to the Google translation of that page directly, but other Israeli media outlets have not run that story, reducing the credibility of that particular story.
No, the current top story in Israel is that an Israeli soldier who was a journalist was accused of leaking 2,000 classified documents to the media - affecting Israeli national security and may have altered Israeli policy during Operation Cast Lead and the Hizbullah war.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:20:37am |
re: #501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My karma's been rockin' lately.
I'm obviously a potential politician. I'm a pandering shit-heel.
Nah, you're legitimately funny. Which means you might not get elected...Al Franken hasn't been funny in 30 years and he got elected/
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:21:33am |
Israeli delegation gets 1st place in International Humanitarian Law competition, beating 44 other Universities world-wide.
The laws of war – Israelis know them best
An Israeli team from the Interdisciplinary Center, Herzliya, recently beat out 44 universities to take first place in the 2010 edition of the Jean-Pictet Competition on international humanitarian law.The week-long international competition, held between March 20-27 in Quebec, Canada, matched up teams from universities around the world to test their knowledge in the field of international humanitarian law (IHL) – commonly referred to as the laws of war.
“For an Israeli team to win a competition in the field in which Israel is so often criticized is significant,” said the team’s academic supervisor, Daphné Richemond-Barak. “The Jean-Pictet is the most prestigious competition in the field worldwide.”
...
After winning, the IDC team received a five-minute standing ovation from the other teams, including those from Iran, Lebanon and Jordan.For the closing ceremony, the IDC team brought out an Israeli flag.
“I don’t think anyone’s done that before,” said Braverman. “There were cheers from the Americans. It really was the one of the best experiences one could have, regardless of the victory. Just having been there makes you a better person.”
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:21:55am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:22:12am |
re: #483 Joo-LiZ
Nope not yet... did you see the video of the Jewish students speaking up to their Student Union?
No, I've not seen that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:22:30am |
re: #490 reine.de.tout
Can't get the video to play.
Yeah, some liveleak videos have bugs and won't embed. There's a direct link at #477.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:22:55am |
hehe. It was racist. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was.
| 517 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:23:10am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:23:30am |
re: #482 Killgore Trout
Damnit, another liveleak video that won't embed...
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!!
Good grief.
All of that discussion and talking and figuring out and confirming, before any action is taken.
It's amazing to me they ever get anything done.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:24:02am |
re: #514 MandyManners
No, I've not seen that.
This you have to see!
They are excellent, and they really succeed in making the student union look like useful idiots and total dupes.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:24:26am |
re: #503 wozzablog
The constitution was written by slave holders - and all men being created equal did not include women, gays, lesbians, black people, native americans...... or none landholding white guys.
Strict constructionalism in that adhering to the principles of the founders and it's intent as written in the 18th century is just not one i have a lot of truck with.
SCOTUS decisions to extend rights from those recognizable in the 18th century to ones we recognise in the 21st can only be a good thing.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:24:55am |
re: #504 Aceofwhat?
would you say this definitively proves those asshats intentionally slanted the video to make the US look like war criminals?
No doubt about it. The worst offense was taking out the context of the van which was transporting fighters in the area is seen zooming during the entire engagement. He had his fucking children in the car! What an asshole.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:25:10am |
re: #502 Joo-LiZ
Yup, that one I saw. Everyone gets it from Maariv though.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's true, but I think that one deserves some skepticism until anyone else can corroborate it.
I've Googled Zeev Alfasi + visa denial but have found nothing but what's already out there from Pam and her ilk.
| 523 |
Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:25:23am |
re: #459 reine.de.tout
Cool.
This photo was taken yesterday across the street from the building where I used to work.
Followed shortly by "OM NOM NOM" noises after a women walked her toy poodle too close to the scene...
;)
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:26:19am |
re: #509 lawhawk
I posted the link to the Google translation of that page directly, but other Israeli media outlets have not run that story, reducing the credibility of that particular story.
No, the current top story in Israel is that an Israeli soldier who was a journalist was accused of leaking 2,000 classified documents to the media - affecting Israeli national security and may have altered Israeli policy during Operation Cast Lead and the Hizbullah war.
I would expect other Israeli media to carry it.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:26:22am |
re: #518 reine.de.tout
Good grief.
All of that discussion and talking and figuring out and confirming, before any action is taken.
It's amazing to me they ever get anything done.
Which makes the slandering all the more frustrating.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:27:46am |
re: #520 wozzablog
The constitution was written by slave holders - and all men being created equal did not include women, gays, lesbians, black people, native americans... or none landholding white guys.
Strict constructionalism in that adhering to the principles of the founders and it's intent as written in the 18th century is just not one i have a lot of truck with.
SCOTUS decisions to extend rights from those recognizable in the 18th century to ones we recognise in the 21st can only be a good thing.
I wonder what you'd think of Barry Rubin's take on this idea.
The first point is about the nature of American history. There is a huge difference between saying that the promise hasn't or wasn't kept, and, on the contrary, saying that it took a while to fulfill that promise. In the end and along the way, though, the promise was kept.Therefore, American history is not a series of shames and disgraces but one of heroic fulfillment. Everything bad is matched by more that has been good. Or, to put it another way, it is not that wrong things weren't done but that they were corrected. Now here's the key: That was possible because of the nature of the promise, the foundation it created, and the system it set up.
And that is the difference between celebrating America and its history—with no need to conceal its (almost always remedied) flaws and failures—or in contrast teaching self-hatred and anti-Americanism. That also means the people of today cannot claim to be great geniuses of morality and wisdom but merely the lucky inheritors of what has been achieved by those who lived before them.
Second, the reason the promise could be kept was that the founders laid a foundation which made that possible. Even if they did not then, in the 1770s and 1780s, openly and consciously possess every belief that made for a fully equal society which did not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, gender or national origin, they implicitly understood all these things.
They planted the seed. The history of the United States is the story of its growth into a healthy tree--the founders would have called it the tree of liberty--that fulfilled that dream and that plan.
RTWT, that was just a teaser.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:29:02am |
re: #519 Joo-LiZ
This you have to see!
[Video]
They are excellent, and they really succeed in making the student union look like useful idiots and total dupes.
Bookmarked!!
I wonder who leaked those e-mails?
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:30:22am |
re: #520 wozzablog
The constitution was written by slave holders - and all men being created equal did not include women, gays, lesbians, black people, native americans... or none landholding white guys.
Strict constructionalism in that adhering to the principles of the founders and it's intent as written in the 18th century is just not one i have a lot of truck with.
SCOTUS decisions to extend rights from those recognizable in the 18th century to ones we recognise in the 21st can only be a good thing.
A prinicple is not the same thing as the law.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:30:37am |
This is awful.
I-10 wreck this morning, 18-wheeler sideswiped another 18-wheeler, then skipped over the median and crashed into oncoming traffic.
| 531 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:33:50am |
re: #530 reine.de.tout
I ain't scared. Just a fact of life. There's a good chance that I'll die in a car wreck. I'm attentive and drive sensibly.
Everybody else doesn't.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:34:27am |
re: #530 reine.de.tout
Oh, and yes, it's horrible.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:35:16am |
re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I ain't scared. Just a fact of life. There's a good chance that I'll die in a car wreck. I'm attentive and drive sensibly.
Everybody else doesn't.
That's what my Dad says. The key to driving safe isn't just to make sure that you are following all the rules. It's to make sure everyone around you is driving properly as well.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:36:07am |
re: #530 reine.de.tout
This is awful.
I-10 wreck this morning, 18-wheeler sideswiped another 18-wheeler, then skipped over the median and crashed into oncoming traffic.
I haven't watched the video, but I saw the headline... 3 dead -- terrible.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:36:29am |
re: #519 Joo-LiZ
This you have to see!
[Video]They are excellent, and they really succeed in making the student union look like useful idiots and total dupes.
that was awesome
| 537 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:36:59am |
re: #521 Killgore Trout
No doubt about it. The worst offense was taking out the context of the van which was transporting fighters in the area is seen zooming during the entire engagement. He had his fucking children in the car! What an asshole.
thanks for keeping on top of this. i appreciate it-
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robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:38:32am |
A little bit of outrageous outrage. It's a legitimate complaint and not race code language if you watch any sports. Before almost every major sporting event they either have to kick it to an interview with Obama and get his picks or during the halftime during the final four, they have Clark Kellogg playing Horse with the President. It's gets tiring to watch the networks fawn all over him.
Interview asking him about his superbowl picks (among some light politicking) before the superbowl. Both times showing and covering Obama's picks in the brackets. It is a little pathetic, and proves Gingrich's point. I'm getting a little sick of seeing Obama play sports also. We get that he's an athlete, and plays hoops, but does he have to be involved with every major sport? Well I guess they haven't done anything with him and hockey yet.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:39:08am |
re: #521 Killgore Trout
That's like taking a page out of the al Dura videos that smeared the Israelis for far too long - when the full unedited videos show an entirely different picture.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:39:09am |
re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I ain't scared. Just a fact of life. There's a good chance that I'll die in a car wreck. I'm attentive and drive sensibly.
Everybody else doesn't.
I would absolutely love to own a motorcycle. I have a family, so i never will.
| 541 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:39:40am |
re: #535 Joo-LiZ
I haven't watched the video, but I saw the headline... 3 dead -- terrible.
That particular stretch of I-10 used to have 2 or 3 wrecks a week like that.
Then they changed the rules for that stretch - 18-wheelers must stay in one lane, and the speed limit for them is 10 mph slower than for other vehicles.
It seems odd, but it really reduced the number of wrecks. This is the first one in a long time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:40:08am |
re: #540 Aceofwhat?
I would absolutely love to own a motorcycle. I have a family, so i never will.
I wouldn't in Florida. In a nice rural town, maybe.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:41:10am |
re: #540 Aceofwhat?
I would absolutely love to own a motorcycle. I have a family, so i never will.
I would love a little Vespa for getting around the neighborhood. The Roi tells me I'd kill myself within a week. He's probably right.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:42:05am |
re: #539 lawhawk
That's like taking a page out of the al Dura videos that smeared the Israelis for far too long - when the full unedited videos show an entirely different picture.
Same with Breitbart's ACORN videos too. Dishonest douchebags.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:42:18am |
re: #538 robdouth
A little bit of outrageous outrage. It's a legitimate complaint and not race code language if you watch any sports. Before almost every major sporting event they either have to kick it to an interview with Obama and get his picks or during the halftime during the final four, they have Clark Kellogg playing Horse with the President. It's gets tiring to watch the networks fawn all over him.
Interview asking him about his superbowl picks (among some light politicking) before the superbowl. Both times showing and covering Obama's picks in the brackets. It is a little pathetic, and proves Gingrich's point. I'm getting a little sick of seeing Obama play sports also. We get that he's an athlete, and plays hoops, but does he have to be involved with every major sport? Well I guess they haven't done anything with him and hockey yet.
i totally disagree. at the very least, our health care system needs a fat politician telling an athletic politician to be less athletic like our health care system needs Joe the Camel visiting heart transplant wards. at the worst, the few politicians who actually have brains need to stop chucking them out of the window in order to appeal to the base.
either way, Newt sucks for this one. and I've found him quite erudite on other topics in the past, so this is doubly disappointing to me.
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zora Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:42:55am |
good mornin', lizards
wonkette's take on gingrich.
We keep reading this quote from candy-sucking has-been Newt Gingrich and we just can’t decide whether it’s racist or just a pathetic fat person’s terrible anger over a 48-year-old politician in good physical and mental condition. What do you think Gingrich was talking about during his speech to Republicans in New Orleans last night?...
Actually, Newt Gingrich is so fucking stupid and such an awful failure within his own party, we can probably just write off this whole episode as another sad blurt from a infantile blob who briefly held a position of power in the House of Representatives two decades ago and BLEW IT because he was an infantile blob then, too. Plus he was divorcing all of his various wives when they got cancer, all the while wriggling his little wang around inside his GOP staffer secretaries and prattling on about Bill Clinton’s affair. GAH IS THERE A MORE GROSS PERSON IN AMERICAN POLITICS EVEN INCLUDING JOHN EDWARDS?
Read more at Wonkette: [Link: wonkette.com...]
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:43:07am |
re: #520 wozzablog
The constitution was written by slave holders - and all men being created equal did not include women, gays, lesbians, black people, native americans... or none landholding white guys.
Strict constructionalism in that adhering to the principles of the founders and it's intent as written in the 18th century is just not one i have a lot of truck with.
SCOTUS decisions to extend rights from those recognizable in the 18th century to ones we recognise in the 21st can only be a good thing.
I have one word for you: Amendments
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:43:15am |
re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wouldn't in Florida. In a nice rural town, maybe.
There's that, too. We live in the wrong state to be taking risks on the road...
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:43:21am |
re: #541 reine.de.tout
That particular stretch of I-10 used to have 2 or 3 wrecks a week like that.
Then they changed the rules for that stretch - 18-wheelers must stay in one lane, and the speed limit for them is 10 mph slower than for other vehicles.
It seems odd, but it really reduced the number of wrecks. This is the first one in a long time.
Odd... at least in the states near Canada, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, all major highways seem to have that truck speed limits that are 10MPH less than that of cars. Where is the I10?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:44:23am |
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:44:37am |
re: #457 albusteve
A young Muslim woman had died after her burkha became snagged in a go-kart.
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
doesn't seem worth it...just too bizarre
Isadora Duncan she ain't.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:47:07am |
re: #550 Joo-LiZ
Odd... at least in the states near Canada, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, all major highways seem to have that truck speed limits that are 10MPH less than that of cars. Where is the I10?
That particular stretch runs between Baton Rouge, LA and Lafayette, LA.
The I10 is at the bottom of the US.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:47:39am |
re: #547 zora
so...it's like my take, except i did it in thirty seconds, don't get paid for it, and married a woman waaay hotter than Wonkette?
i win!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:47:40am |
re: #550 Joo-LiZ
Odd... at least in the states near Canada, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, all major highways seem to have that truck speed limits that are 10MPH less than that of cars. Where is the I10?
Starts in Florida and runs west. Not sure where it ends.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:48:44am |
Eleven months ago, the Justice Department suddenly and surprisingly dropped its case against three defendants and accepted a weak injunction against a fourth, stemming from the incident in Philadelphia on Election Day 2008 in which Black Panthers disrupted a neighborhood polling place. Since then, the Justice Department has stonewalled multiple requests for information from news organizations, a number of congressmen and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
no big deal?....whatever happened to the Bill Richardson investigation?....why did the WH cut off it's funding?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:49:41am |
re: #550 Joo-LiZ
Odd... at least in the states near Canada, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, all major highways seem to have that truck speed limits that are 10MPH less than that of cars. Where is the I10?
generally, the farther south and west you go, the faster you can go. i think the highest speed limits are out west (Montana, Arizona, etc...long stretches of lonely road)
the highways in Florida are mostly 70mph when you're far enough out of the city. Georgia, too.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:49:44am |
re: #556 Cannadian Club Akbar
Starts in Florida and runs west. Not sure where it ends.
CA...runs straight through southern NM
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zora Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:52:16am |
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ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:54:18am |
re: #492 MandyManners
The only translation I've found is from pajamas media.
Charles commented that the sources were highly unreliable.
I hope that's the case here.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:54:51am |
re: #539 lawhawk
That's like taking a page out of the al Dura videos that smeared the Israelis for far too long - when the full unedited videos show an entirely different picture.
Will it get the same play as the edited version?
HA!
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:55:50am |
Business interests as well as most Republicans backed the bill that was opposed by teachers and their unions, local school officials and Democrats.
It passed 64-55 in the GOP-controlled House on a largely party-line vote at 2:26 a.m. The debate dragged on for more than eight hours although opponents acknowledged at the start they didn't have the votes to stop the bill from passing.
obstructionists democrats, considering the union before the students
[Link: www.ocala.com...]
"I believe it will cause many of your best teachers to leave the profession or the state because this legislation is so profoundly disrespectful towards the education profession," Ravitch wrote.
where did I hear something similar to this?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:56:10am |
re: #560 zora
there's a pundit job out there for you somewhere.
/
Nah. I'm such a lousy programmer that i don't dare even call myself a programmer. I'd rather keep my day job and hang out here trying to be witty enough to hang with you good folks! If i started a website, it'd look like Microsoft Notepad 1998 and would be overrun by hackers in about 4.3 seconds.
I have a high and constant appreciation for Charles' ability to make this the Cadillac of blogs. I know my weaknesses!
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:56:48am |
re: #561 ryannon
Charles commented that the sources were highly unreliable.
I hope that's the case here.
It's not so much that the original paper is unreliable as it is the fact that there is no further evidence for it and only the one paper has mentioned it.
How many times have we seen otherwise reliable sources try to make a story out of nothing? Its seems like it could well be the case with this one.
Ma'ariv in general is as legitimate as any other paper though. It's just Hebrew-only.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:57:18am |
re: #561 ryannon
Charles commented that the sources were highly unreliable.
I hope that's the case here.
He said American Thinker was not reliable. I don't recall him saying NRG/Maariv is not reliable. Maybe he did and I missed it.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:57:54am |
re: #562 MandyManners
Will it get the same play as the edited version?
HA!
time for us to echo chamber a little bit, then...i think everyone here is 100% on board with this being a despicable affair on their part.
whenever Killgore and I are high-fiving each other, you know it's good stuff!
(Love ya, KT-)
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:58:36am |
re: #565 Joo-LiZ
It's not so much that the original paper is unreliable as it is the fact that there is no further evidence for it and only the one paper has mentioned it.
How many times have we seen otherwise reliable sources try to make a story out of nothing? Its seems like it could well be the case with this one.
Ma'ariv in general is as legitimate as any other paper though. It's just Hebrew-only.
It's just so sensational that I'd have expected others to pick it up and run with it by now...that's the part keeping my skepticism alive.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:59:11am |
re: #567 Aceofwhat?
time for us to echo chamber a little bit, then...i think everyone here is 100% on board with this being a despicable affair on their part.
whenever Killgore and I are high-fiving each other, you know it's good stuff!
(Love ya, KT-)
time for us to echo chamber a little bit, then...i think everyone here is 100% on board with this being a despicable affair on their part.
| 570 |
MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:05:25am |
re: #569 cliffster
time for us to echo chamber a little bit, then...i think everyone here is 100% on board with this being a despicable affair on their part.
Is there an echo in here?
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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:05:36am |
re: #298 Kruk
The problem I have with this line of argument is that if racism doesn't rise to a certain level of violence or exclusion, then it's not "real" racism. (And naturally, anyone calls out racism below that externally imposed line is crying wolf, playing the race card or just plain making it up.) A few decades ago, people could have said with just as much justification that excluding people from jobs or housing on racial grounds was trivial when compared to lynchings or civil rights abuses, and calling job related discrimination racism denigrated "real" victims.
And no, we haven't come as far as we would have liked, but I think many people believe that we have come a lot further than we have. There's a real discomfort in acknowledging how deeply racist attitudes are ingrained in speech, stereotypes and culture, and it's a lot easier to say that those things are made up.
How did we come to where those who agree to the letter, and in perfect conformity to the spirit, with MLK's hope that people would be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin, are held to be racist?
From the point of view of the PC-left, any test that fails to yield the desired numerical results is racist, even if no one can detect anything in the test that is racist, and even if the test is a good clean fit to the job requirements it's built for. The Supreme Court came down on the side of the New Haven fire department, but to the PC-left, that just shows that the Supreme Court is racist.
By this standard, MLK was a racist. It's Orwellian.
It's bad tactics too, if you're trying to bring the nation around to where just about everybody wants what MLK wanted. The fact that so many charges of racism are without merit gives cover to dog-whistle tactics. The whistle-blower can hope that the neutral middle doesn't hear the note he's struck and only sees yet another accusation, which, going by past record, might well yet again be unfounded.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:06:20am |
re: #567 Aceofwhat?
time for us to echo chamber a little bit, then...i think everyone here is 100% on board with this being a despicable affair on their part.
whenever Killgore and I are high-fiving each other, you know it's good stuff!
(Love ya, KT-)
Sounds like something John Fucking Murtha will approve.
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robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:07:22am |
re: #546 Aceofwhat?
You're missing the point. He's not telling him not to be an athlete, I believe he's making the point that we need a president and not someone who runs off to every major sporting event to showcase his athletic ability. At worse it's a bad joke on him being distracted, but lately if it's on this side, there seems to be a move to turn it into an outrage when it seems to be minor at best.
| 574 |
cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:08:48am |
| 575 |
Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:08:49am |
After a car accident near Ottawa, two Arab cousins who had been driving by pulled over to see if they could help, and managed to pull this father of 9/grandfather of 19 out of a flaming car just before it exploded. The man happened to be Jewish.
I was linked to this story from a source trying to play it off as a great race relations story (Arabs helping a Jew)... but really I think that is incredibly incidental to the whole thing and has none of their backgrounds have anything to do with what they did. The Khadr's sound like they are just good people, happy to be able to help. It is heartening to read stories like this. And it's a good thing they were around to help.
OTTAWA —David Elias says the Ottawa man who pulled him from his burning vehicle put his own life at risk.Elias, a 57-year-old father of nine and grandfather of 19, was rescued March 14 by Chad Khadr after his car lost control, hit a pole and flipped several times on Route 15 near Montreal.
“His life was at risk,” Elias says. “He didn’t just save me, he saved the family. They still have a father and a grandfather. It’s a very special and noble action,” the Montreal man said in a telephone interview on Monday.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:08:57am |
re: #573 robdouth
You're missing the point. He's not telling him not to be an athlete, I believe he's making the point that we need a president and not someone who runs off to every major sporting event to showcase his athletic ability. At worse it's a bad joke on him being distracted, but lately if it's on this side, there seems to be a move to turn it into an outrage when it seems to be minor at best.
"what we need is a president, not an athlete"
...help me out a little here...
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darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:09:24am |
re: #572 MandyManners
Sounds like something John Fucking Murtha will approve.
John "Fucking" Murtha was the first Viet Nam vet elected to congress. He died Feb 9. Show a little respect.
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jordash1212 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:11:04am |
And I can guarantee you as long as mainstream GOP meets and discusses things with that level of cynicism, I will not be voting for them. That's right GOP, keep alienating us college students, our College Republican group on campus gets smaller every year.
| 579 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:11:05am |
| 580 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:11:36am |
re: #563 albusteve
Business interests as well as most Republicans backed the bill that was opposed by teachers and their unions, local school officials and Democrats.
It passed 64-55 in the GOP-controlled House on a largely party-line vote at 2:26 a.m. The debate dragged on for more than eight hours although opponents acknowledged at the start they didn't have the votes to stop the bill from passing.
obstructionists democrats, considering the union before the students
[Link: www.ocala.com...]
"I believe it will cause many of your best teachers to leave the profession or the state because this legislation is so profoundly disrespectful towards the education profession," Ravitch wrote.
where did I hear something similar to this?
The Dems will never approve of bills like that. They're in hoc to the unions, same as the GOP is to the teabaggers. Both parties have assholes in the base, but on this education bill, its the Dem assholes who are hurting the public.
| 581 |
darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:01am |
re: #576 Aceofwhat?
"what we need is a president, not an athlete"
...help me out a little here...
When Veteran's day rolls around, and President Obama lays a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier, these same assholes will be saying, "We need a president, not a florist." Fuck 'em.
| 582 |
RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:12am |
re: #577 darthstar
John "Fucking" Murtha was the first Viet Nam vet elected to congress. He died Feb 9. Show a little respect.
So a vet can't be an asshole? How's that work?
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:19am |
re: #577 darthstar
John "Fucking" Murtha was the first Viet Nam vet elected to congress. He died Feb 9. Show a little respect.
I'd forgotten he's dead.
Ever heard of Haditha and the Marines he slandered?
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:52am |
| 585 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:03am |
re: #571 lostlakehiker
How did we come to where those who agree to the letter, and in perfect conformity to the spirit, with MLK's hope that people would be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin, are held to be racist?
From the point of view of the PC-left, any test that fails to yield the desired numerical results is racist, even if no one can detect anything in the test that is racist, and even if the test is a good clean fit to the job requirements it's built for. The Supreme Court came down on the side of the New Haven fire department, but to the PC-left, that just shows that the Supreme Court is racist.
By this standard, MLK was a racist. It's Orwellian.
It's bad tactics too, if you're trying to bring the nation around to where just about everybody wants what MLK wanted. The fact that so many charges of racism are without merit gives cover to dog-whistle tactics. The whistle-blower can hope that the neutral middle doesn't hear the note he's struck and only sees yet another accusation, which, going by past record, might well yet again be unfounded.
It's not easy, but it doesn't always have to be that nuanced. If Newt would make the same speech in an appeal to black republicans, I'd think there was no racist intent at all.
And i'm fine calling this ambiguous except for the part where the fat guy tells the athletic guy to stop setting an athletic example for our kids. Republicans can't complain that Clinton set a bad example for kids (he did) and then turn around and be anything but complimentary about Obama in this respect.
He's a good husband, dad, and athlete. I'm proud of him as a role model for my kids, regardless of the fact that i'm a conservative. Newt, on the other hand...well, to quote Churchill..."has all of the qualities i dislike and none of the virtues i admire."
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:05am |
I wonder if former Oklahoma QB JC Watts was offended?
| 587 |
darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:26am |
re: #582 RogueOne
So a vet can't be an asshole? How's that work?
Sure...vets can be assholes too. But usually, after someone dies, people stop ragging on him...it's not like he can change now.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:27am |
re: #583 MandyManners
I'd forgotten he's dead.
Ever heard of Haditha and the Marines he slandered?
Here's a start.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 589 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:45am |
| 590 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:14:04am |
re: #570 MrSilverDragon
Is there an echo in here?
Yes. That wikileaks video was edited by despicable human beings.
| 591 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:14:19am |
| 592 |
darthstar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:14:31am |
re: #583 MandyManners
I'd forgotten he's dead.
Ever heard of Haditha and the Marines he slandered?
Haditha was a mistake in judgement and a tragedy. And the trials for that are just beginning.
| 593 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:14:51am |
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Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:15:10am |
re: #580 Dark_Falcon
Honest question here, really:
as the GOP is to the teabaggers
Is that dog-whistle to progressives?
Not asking you in particular DF, that term is widely used on the left, and there is another meaning.
So, to everyone that calls the denizens of tea party protests c&*k-suckers, are you using a dog whistle?
| 595 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:15:43am |
re: #587 darthstar
Sure...vets can be assholes too. But usually, after someone dies, people stop ragging on him...it's not like he can change now.
Really?
Tell that to Pres. Ronald Reagan.
| 596 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:16:03am |
| 597 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:16:24am |
re: #592 darthstar
Haditha was a mistake in judgement and a tragedy. And the trials for that are just beginning.
I'm asking about Murtha's slander.
| 598 |
Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:16:53am |
Hmm, Twitter post by Daroff (a Jewish Federation guy who likes to tweet):
#Israel Amb Oren: Israel is not compensation for the Holocaust, but the Holocaust reminds us of the need for Israel's existence
Well put, Amb. Oren!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:18:23am |
re: #594 Stonemason
Honest question here, really:
Is that dog-whistle to progressives?
Not asking you in particular DF, that term is widely used on the left, and there is another meaning.
So, to everyone that calls the denizens of tea party protests c&*k-suckers, are you using a dog whistle?
If they hadn't already coined the term themselves, i'd say you absolutely had a point.
Credit to SFZ, who said a few days ago "if some lefty group called themselves donkey-punchers and only later realized what they had done, I'd trip over myself to mock them".
| 600 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:19:10am |
you cannot ridicule dead people?....huh?
you may where I come from
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:19:22am |
re: #592 darthstar
Haditha was a mistake in judgement and a tragedy. And the trials for that are just beginning.
| 602 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:19:42am |
| 603 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:19:42am |
re: #600 albusteve
you cannot ridicule dead people?...huh?
you may where I come from
in Chicago, they even vote on occasion!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:08am |
| 606 |
Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:45am |
re: #599 Aceofwhat?
Didn't know they did it to themselves, sorry 'bout that..
| 607 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:46am |
re: #590 Aceofwhat?
Yes. That wikileaks video was edited by despicable human beings.
The video got 'round the clock airplay on French (and probably all of EU) television. The damage is done.
| 608 |
MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:55am |
re: #600 albusteve
you cannot ridicule dead people?...huh?
you may where I come from
You know who people haven't made fun of in a long time? Æthelred the Unready. Is it too soon? I mean, c'mon, his name really sets it up!
| 610 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:21:35am |
re: #601 MandyManners
I think there's a staff sergeant who will still stand trial. All others have been cleared, IIRC.
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Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:21:44am |
re: #599 Aceofwhat?
If they hadn't already coined the term themselves, i'd say you absolutely had a point.
Credit to SFZ, who said a few days ago "if some lefty group called themselves donkey-punchers and only later realized what they had done, I'd trip over myself to mock them".
Just to clarify, Ace.
did the Tea Party peeps call themselves "Teabaggers" or did that originate in the media?
Honest question, no snark intended.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:22:01am |
re: #606 Stonemason
Didn't know they did it to themselves, sorry 'bout that..
no sweat. you'd certainly have a point, otherwise.
| 613 |
Lidane Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:22:41am |
re: #599 Aceofwhat?
If they hadn't already coined the term themselves, i'd say you absolutely had a point.
Yeah, this. They chose the name for themselves and used it first. It wasn't until the sexual meaning of the word teabagging was explained to them that they started whining, but by then it was too late.
Credit to SFZ, who said a few days ago "if some lefty group called themselves donkey-punchers and only later realized what they had done, I'd trip over myself to mock them".
SFZ's not the only one. I'd mock anyone ruthlessly, left or right, if they did something that stupid. It just so happens that the teabaggers DID do something that stupid. They claimed the mantle for themselves without finding out what it meant first.
| 614 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:23:11am |
re: #611 Ericus58
Just to clarify, Ace.
did the Tea Party peeps call themselves "Teabaggers" or did that originate in the media?Honest question, no snark intended.
I honestly remember reading it originating from someone in the Tea Party, else i'd take more exception to the term. Perhaps someone else here remembers enough to provide a link?
| 615 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:23:59am |
| 616 |
Ericus58 Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:23:59am |
Greece credit rating cut by Fitch
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"A leading ratings agency has downgraded Greece's credit rating amid growing fears the country is struggling to overcome its debt problems.
Fitch cut Greece's rating by two notches, from BBB+ to BBB-, as the cost of Greek borrowing continues to rise."
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:05am |
re: #613 Lidane
SFZ's not the only one. I'd mock anyone ruthlessly, left or right, if they did something that stupid.
I know. But 'donkey-puncher' was just so damn funny that i don't feel right using it without giving credit where it's due...
| 618 |
cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:38am |
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:57am |
re: #608 MrSilverDragon
You know who people haven't made fun of in a long time? Æthelred the Unready. Is it too soon? I mean, c'mon, his name really sets it up!
in just another two hundred years....soon come
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:25:09am |
re: #610 Aceofwhat?
I think there's a staff sergeant who will still stand trial. All others have been cleared, IIRC.
That's my recollection.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:26:25am |
re: #616 Ericus58
Greece credit rating cut by Fitch
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"A leading ratings agency has downgraded Greece's credit rating amid growing fears the country is struggling to overcome its debt problems.
Fitch cut Greece's rating by two notches, from BBB+ to BBB-, as the cost of Greek borrowing continues to rise."
Yep. Here's some readable detail, an interesting comparison between Greece and Argentina's past crisis. Can't beat the WSJ for this sort of reporting.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:26:31am |
re: #618 cliffster
don't remind me...I have to make that drive up and back next month...and as long drives go it's hell
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:27:22am |
re: #623 albusteve
don't remind me...I have to make that drive up and back next month...and as long drives go it's hell
Ha, really? Is that where your grandkid is? I did a search for Hades in Google Maps
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:28:23am |
The first I heard of the teabaggers they were urging people to "tea bag your Congressman." Agree with SFZ's analogy that if the left had a stupid phrase I'd equally mock. I do remember mocking Code Pink and the other far left groups when they acted like fools.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:29:11am |
re: #614 Aceofwhat?
I honestly remember reading it originating from someone in the Tea Party, else i'd take more exception to the term. Perhaps someone else here remembers enough to provide a link?
What I remember is them using it first in a campaign to send tea bags to members of Congress. The sexual connotations were explained to them later, but by then the "teabagger" genie had been let out of the bottle with zero chance of it being put back in.
Rachel Maddow barely kept it together on her show when she talked about it:
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:29:41am |
Wuterich had a hearing about two weeks ago to get the charges dropped. Has anyone heard of the ruling if it's been given?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:30:24am |
well...this executive apology was a long time coming...asshats...
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:30:45am |
re: #627 MandyManners
Wuterich had a hearing about two weeks ago to get the charges dropped. Has anyone heard of the ruling if it's been given?
denied
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:31:08am |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:31:57am |
re: #614 Aceofwhat?
I honestly remember reading it originating from someone in the Tea Party, else i'd take more exception to the term. Perhaps someone else here remembers enough to provide a link?
It was originally said at TPs. Some people actually had signs that said "Teabag Liberals Before they Teabag Us!". Once the meaning of the word "teabagging" got around, those signs disappeared but the damage was done.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:32:29am |
re: #630 Dreggas
thanks. i think asking people to "teabag congress" = invitation to be called a "teabagger".
just tryin' to call 'em like i see 'em...
| 633 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:33:35am |
re: #624 cliffster
Ha, really? Is that where your grandkid is? I did a search for Hades in Google Maps
Grand Rapids...big reunion up there...the first time my exwife, myself and both kids have all been together in almost six years....woohooo!
| 634 |
Stonemason Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:33:37am |
re: #630 Dreggas
Okay...that makes sense then....so, with that in mind, how can Newt referring to basketball be a dog-whistle, Mr. Obama talks about hoops all the time, plays several times a week, and is proud of it.
The 'we don't need an athlete' crap was dumb, the basketball stuff is not racist.
| 635 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:33:39am |
re: #631 Dark_Falcon
It was originally said at TPs. Some people actually had signs that said "Teabag Liberals Before they Teabag Us!". Once the meaning of the word "teabagging" got around, those signs disappeared but the damage was done.
thanks. don't open the door and then complain when someone walks through, right?
in any case, the appellation is the least of their concerns.
| 636 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:34:39am |
re: #632 Aceofwhat?
Yeah. I remember my father telling me over the phone about going to a "tea-bagger rally" and I said "dad you know what that means right?" and he got real quiet once he figured it out.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:36:36am |
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robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:37:18am |
re: #576 Aceofwhat?
I just explained it, and what I believe he meant. We've been through debates here where Danny Glover sounded half drunk, half retarded, and many bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt, which I agree too. My point is if there is a seemingly more innocuous or salient point to be made, isn't it fair to give the benefit of the doubt instead of immediately jumping to worse case scenario, or does that depend on who says it?
| 640 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:38:00am |
re: #637 MandyManners
Link?
I asked for a link because the USMC 3-19-10 press release about the hearing is the only information I can find.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:38:00am |
Tea bagger.
[Link: www.edgeboston.com...]
| 642 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:38:16am |
As usual, the same people who deny or make excuses for every single incident of right wing racism are right back at it again, denying and making excuses for Newt Gingrich.
| 643 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:39:30am |
re: #634 Stonemason
actually the "we don't need an athlete" stuff was a dog-whistle. It's a racial stereotype. And given there's now an all-white basketball league being started in the south it is even louder.
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Jadespring Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:39:38am |
re: #625 HappyWarrior
The first I heard of the teabaggers they were urging people to "tea bag your Congressman." Agree with SFZ's analogy that if the left had a stupid phrase I'd equally mock. I do remember mocking Code Pink and the other far left groups when they acted like fools.
Yes that was where it really got started or at least where I saw it. When the tea parties were first announced and websites started going up that were promoting the protest and the whole send a tea bag to your congress or the dumping of tea bags at various places the forums where the peeps congregated made references to "teabagging." I remember quite clearly reading the discussions because I could not stop laughing at it. I'd say the self references lasted for around 2 weeks before the word got around about the other meaning of teabagging and people clued in to what the outright mocking and sometimes veiled, tongue in cheek snickers both in and out of media were all about.
It even made it onto a few signs, like the infamous "I'm teabagging for Jesus" sign that some poor older woman waved on a roadside.
| 645 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:40:37am |
It's not the Onion, it's Fox....
Dad Wants Textbook Banned for Being Accurate
"you're being a good example to your kid"
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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:40:52am |
re: #492 MandyManners
The only translation I've found is from pajamas media.
Not a single Israeli news outlet has confirmed that story. It's not even mentioned in Haaretz or Jerusalem Post. It's a fake, concocted to get right wingers (both US and Israeli) worked up about Barack Obama. Once again.
| 647 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:41:32am |
re: #645 Killgore Trout
Damn, I have to remember to preview:
Dad Wants Textbook Banned for Being Accurate
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:42:20am |
re: #646 Charles
Not a single Israeli news outlet has confirmed that story. It's not even mentioned in Haaretz or Jerusalem Post. It's a fake, concocted to get right wingers (both US and Israeli) worked up about Barack Obama. Once again.
NRG/Maariv is a right-wing site?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:42:44am |
re: #644 Jadespring
Yes that was where it really got started or at least where I saw it. When the tea parties were first announced and websites started going up that were promoting the protest and the whole send a tea bag to your congress or the dumping of tea bags at various places the forums where the peeps congregated made references to "teabagging." I remember quite clearly reading the discussions because I could not stop laughing at it. I'd say the self references lasted for around 2 weeks before the word got around about the other meaning of teabagging and people clued in to what the outright mocking and sometimes veiled, tongue in cheek snickers both in and out of media were all about.
It even made it onto a few signs, like the infamous "I'm teabagging for Jesus" sign that some poor older woman waved on a roadside.
Teabagging for Jesus? Hahahhahaha. I remember my Dad's response when I told him via text that these people wanted us to tea bag our Congressman. He was like well how does our Congressman look. I mean they brought the ridicule on themselves and I would be just as merciless to a left wing movement doing the same.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:42:50am |
re: #647 Killgore Trout
Damn, I have to remember to preview:
Dad Wants Textbook Banned for Being Accurate
Wow. Fox News openly pimping for creationism. Isn't that lovely.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:43:14am |
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:44:41am |
re: #651 Charles
Maariv is a tabloid.
Is it called such due to the size/format of the paper as opposed to a broad-sheet format?
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robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:44:42am |
re: #506 Aceofwhat?
that's fine, but again, that's not the point being made by Charles, he's claiming racism as a motive, you're saying he's denigrating an athletic lifestyle. The truth is more likely that he's complaining that he's acting like a pro athlete always on television about sports, and should be spending more time on politics. It's stupid because Bush was the same way and as has been mentioned had a very regimented workout and rest schedule regardless of work load.
It's a bad point, but it's not racist or denigrating to athletic lifestyles in general. That's the only point I made earlier
| 655 |
Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:44:43am |
re: #652 MandyManners
I just wiki'd it too, and wiki calls it a tabloid =P
| 656 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:44:51am |
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:44:52am |
re: #646 Charles
Arutz Sheva did run a story, but it's sourced entirely to the Ma'ariv piece and doesn't add any additional confirmation. It adds only a separate bit about Bibi not going to the nuclear summit. Ha'aretz, Jerusalem Post, and Yediot Aronot had nothing about it.
I consider it suspect without actual confirmation from another source.
| 658 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:45:38am |
re: #645 Killgore Trout
Morons. Absolute, unadulterated morons.
| 659 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:46:03am |
re: #646 Charles
Not a single Israeli news outlet has confirmed that story. It's not even mentioned in Haaretz or Jerusalem Post. It's a fake, concocted to get right wingers (both US and Israeli) worked up about Barack Obama. Once again.
Yes, I've searched Haaretz, jpost, Ynet, et cet.. Not a word.
| 660 |
Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:46:51am |
re: #656 Charles
It's a fake story, Mandy. If it were real, both Haaretz and the JPost would be covering it too.
Why do you keep falling for this stuff?
Charles, I think the question here isn't so much about the story, but about the credibility of the paper as a whole.
I've always understood Ma'ariv to be just like any other daily paper, while this story is just a possible attempt to sensationalize the issue. Other papers that are otherwise credible have also been known to exaggerate particular stories, right?
| 661 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:47:28am |
re: #656 Charles
It's a fake story, Mandy. If it were real, both Haaretz and the JPost would be covering it too.
Why do you keep falling for this stuff?
I am NOT "falling" for anytihng. If I were, I'd proclaim it to be the truth in spite of the fact that--as we discussed above--it's the only paper publishing it. Does mere research indicate I've fallen for it?
| 662 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:48:31am |
re: #650 Charles
well the woman hosting did look a bit like that god awful looking woman with the poodle that was on the Kenneth copeland show.
| 663 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:48:35am |
re: #657 lawhawk
Arutz Sheva did run a story, but it's sourced entirely to the Ma'ariv piece and doesn't add any additional confirmation. It adds only a separate bit about Bibi not going to the nuclear summit. Ha'aretz, Jerusalem Post, and Yediot Aronot had nothing about it.
I consider it suspect without actual confirmation from another source.
I missed the Arutz story but, tracking back to the same source?!
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robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:48:41am |
re: #642 Charles
That's unfair because I was with you agreeing with your point of view the entire time during the Danny Glover outrage. I just believe that jumping to the worst conclusion seems premature when there is a very simple more innocuous motive that doesn't take tortured logic to see.
If the excuses were lame or unbelievable I'd be with you on this one also.
| 666 |
Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:49:28am |
re: #521 Killgore Trout
Thank you for digging that up, Killgore. As I said when we first saw the video, WikiLeaks has an obvious agenda, and my only hesitation about the engagement was firing on the van as they picked up bodies. The van in the context of moving around the area and dropping people off makes it a completely valid target.
A half-track can be fired upon even if people are pulling wounded soliders into it, if it's also dropping off live soldiers. Same for a minivan. And if you bring children with you, you are the asshole breaker of the rules of law, not the person firing on you.
My respect for WikiLeaks has taken a huge nosedive with this.
| 667 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:49:33am |
re: #647 Killgore Trout
Damn, I have to remember to preview:
Dad Wants Textbook Banned for Being Accurate
What I don't get is why these parents who get worked up about schools teaching evolution just don't enroll their kids in private or homeschool their kids. It's not like they're forced to go to public schools. Just because you want your kid learning creationism doesn't mean I want my kid learning the same thing and furthermore Genesis is not science. I don't know why that's so complicated and why people are so offended by evolution. Evolution doesn't deny the existence of God.
| 668 |
lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:49:52am |
re: #663 MandyManners
Yes - it cites Ma'ariv's piece, and nothing more. It's basically a recitation of the allegations of the Ma'ariv piece without confirming it.
| 669 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:50:15am |
re: #660 Joo-LiZ
I wonder if Zeev Alfassi has e-mail contact.
| 670 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:51:48am |
re: #654 robdouth
that's fine, but again, that's not the point being made by Charles, he's claiming racism as a motive...
Wrong. I'm saying that Newt Gingrich was playing to the audience and telling them what they wanted to hear, and doing it in a way that gives him deniability. That's what the term "dog whistle" means.
I actually doubt that Gingrich himself is a racist. But he's certainly demonstrated many times over that he won't hesitate to stoop to the lowest common denominator to get some applause.
| 671 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:52:02am |
Moby's upset that the president eats meat. He must be a racist!
| 672 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:53:24am |
re: #666 Obdicut
Thank you for digging that up, Killgore. As I said when we first saw the video, WikiLeaks has an obvious agenda, and my only hesitation about the engagement was firing on the van as they picked up bodies. The van in the context of moving around the area and dropping people off makes it a completely valid target.
A half-track can be fired upon even if people are pulling wounded soliders into it, if it's also dropping off live soldiers. Same for a minivan. And if you bring children with you, you are the asshole breaker of the rules of law, not the person firing on you.
My respect for WikiLeaks has taken a huge nosedive with this.
Mine too. It's one thing to insist that the laws of war be obeyed, but to edit a video to try to fake a violation of such laws is another. I wonder if the crew of the Apache could make out a case against WikiLeaks for Libel on this.
| 673 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:53:33am |
re: #671 Mad Al-Jaffee
Why would that make him racist?
| 674 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:53:36am |
re: #668 lawhawk
Yes - it cites Ma'ariv's piece, and nothing more. It's basically a recitation of the allegations of the Ma'ariv piece without confirming it.
That's very sloppy journalism. The writer didn't contact Alfassi for confirmation?
| 675 |
MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:53:56am |
| 676 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:54:04am |
re: #639 robdouth
I just explained it, and what I believe he meant. We've been through debates here where Danny Glover sounded half drunk, half retarded, and many bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt, which I agree too. My point is if there is a seemingly more innocuous or salient point to be made, isn't it fair to give the benefit of the doubt instead of immediately jumping to worse case scenario, or does that depend on who says it?
it depends on who they're saying it TO, and how they react immediately afterwards. Reid said something racist, but he didn't say it to incite anyone...he just said it because he's an old white guy with latent racial issues shared by lots of old white guys.
when you're an old white guy talking to SOUTHERN WHITE GUYS, and you're not a total buffoon (Newt is much smarter on paper than Reid, btw), you studiously avoid even the appearance of something like this.
it's fair to give the benefit of the doubt when the speaker has nothing to gain. when the speaker is a highly intelligent person who has something to gain by whistling for the dog...
for example: i don't give Obama's administration much benefit of the doubt for the 'settlement fauxtrage'. they know that Israel wasn't out there bulldozing poor people out of their homes...
| 677 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:54:25am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Looks like somebody found the unedited Wikileaks video...
WIKI DECEPTION: Iraq "Collateral Murder" Video Rebuttal: Scenes WikiLeaks Edited Out!![Video]
I'd like to know who posted that video.
| 678 |
Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:54:26am |
re: #647 Killgore Trout
Damn, I have to remember to preview:
Dad Wants Textbook Banned for Being Accurate
LOL:
"It's really the kid's that identified it... I mean, I'm not smart enough to pick that stuff up, but they are, ye know!"
Maybe he shouldn't be challenging the school board about it then?
| 679 |
robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:54:37am |
re: #670 Charles
OK, agree to disagree then because being only a couple days removed from the NCAA Championship where the entire halftime show was dedicated to Obama beating Clark Kellogg at horse and talking about Obama, it seems there is a very innocuous, non-racist theme to this comment. People can read whatever they want into anything regardless of the audience, and I just try not to assume the worst whether it's Glover who I don't like, or Gingrich, who I don't like.
| 680 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:54:44am |
re: #672 Dark_Falcon
I wonder if the crew of the Apache could make out a case against WikiLeaks for Libel on this.
Probably not. Soldier, especially on active duty, have pretty limited legal rights.
| 681 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:55:32am |
re: #650 Charles
Wow. Fox News openly pimping for creationism. Isn't that lovely.
no.
whoops - that was a rhetorical question...my bad;)
| 682 |
Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:56:21am |
re: #677 Charles
I'd like to know who posted that video.
Uh-oh. You don't suspect that one of being edited as well, do you?
If so, I'll feel like a chump.
| 683 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:56:29am |
| 684 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:56:34am |
re: #677 Charles
I have no idea. I looked around a little bit at couldn't even find blogs discussing it.
| 685 |
Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:56:38am |
re: #667 HappyWarrior
It's because they don't want to spend any extra money beyond their tax dollars to educate their children privately (or via homeschooling.) It's an additional burden to spend the time and/or money to carry out such an education and the parent(s) in question apparently prefer using a lawsuit and/or public complaining to doing so.
I personally believe that opposing science education on religious grounds is foolish, but that's simply my opinion.
| 686 |
cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:58:56am |
Tom Watson bogied the first hole, then birdied the second hole. Still dancing at the top of the leaderboard. 60 is the new 35, apparently.
| 687 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:58:59am |
Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
| 688 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:59:08am |
re: #685 oaktree
It's because they don't want to spend any extra money beyond their tax dollars to educate their children privately (or via homeschooling.) It's an additional burden to spend the time and/or money to carry out such an education and the parent(s) in question apparently prefer using a lawsuit and/or public complaining to doing so.
I personally believe that opposing science education on religious grounds is foolish, but that's simply my opinion.
I agree. Some people are just really offended at the fact that we're related to the chimps. Don't know why. They're awesomely smart animals.
| 689 |
avanti Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:59:17am |
Nate Silver talks about some possible bad news for the Dems in 2010. It's based on current polling, and could change.
| 690 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:59:20am |
re: #679 robdouth
OK, agree to disagree then because being only a couple days removed from the NCAA Championship where the entire halftime show was dedicated to Obama beating Clark Kellogg at horse and talking about Obama, it seems there is a very innocuous, non-racist theme to this comment. People can read whatever they want into anything regardless of the audience, and I just try not to assume the worst whether it's Glover who I don't like, or Gingrich, who I don't like.
really, though...the guy can't take a lunchbreak and go play horse?
and besides. right now, we conservatives need to smack down even the APPEARANCE of racism. it's not like our fringe has built up a lot of goodwill for us here...help me out...
| 691 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:00:03am |
re: #682 Obdicut
Uh-oh. You don't suspect that one of being edited as well, do you?
If so, I'll feel like a chump.
well, i'd be right there with you...i'll bring the Hendricks...you bring the lime twist...
| 692 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:00:21am |
The 'Full Version' of The Wikileaks Video Is Missing 30 Minutes of Footage
Wikileaks editor Jullian Assange told CNN yesterday that the 39 minute video is "everything we have. It is a continuous take except for one 20 minute interval." So, Wikileaks did not edit the video themselves—their source did. But the point still stands: both the "edited" and the "full" version appear to have been selectively edited. Why leave in the second attack after the cut? And how can this be called an "uncut" or "unedited" version—the implication being that this video depicts what "really happened"—when 20 minutes of less-incriminating footage was removed? It also deepens the mystery of Wikileak's military source: Who is so disgruntled as to not only leak the video, but also edit out the slightest bit of redeeming footage?
| 693 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:02:01am |
re: #683 MandyManners
[Video]
Seriously. Preachy vegetarians are more annoying than Jehovah's Witnesses with poor timing.
| 694 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:02:40am |
re: #693 Aceofwhat?
if only I could upding that 1000 times.
| 695 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:02:48am |
re: #682 Obdicut
Uh-oh. You don't suspect that one of being edited as well, do you?
Not necessarily, but I'm wary of videos posted by anonymous people who use names like "StopCyberTerror."
| 696 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:02:56am |
re: #680 Killgore Trout
Probably not. Soldier, especially on active duty, have pretty limited legal rights.
Yes, but usually that's against the the military itself. Against the press, they probably have the same rights as anyone else. A lawsuit would strike me as a good idea. Even if it does not succeed, the expense and bad PR should serve as a warning to anyone attempting a similar hatchet job.
| 697 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:03:44am |
re: #688 HappyWarrior
I agree. Some people are just really offended at the fact that we're related to the chimps. Don't know why. They're awesomely smart animals.
I dunno...the more we learn about orcas, the more we find that they're linguistically gifted. Chimps absolutely lack real language skills. (learning words ≠ real language skills)
| 698 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:04:49am |
re: #697 Aceofwhat?
I dunno...the more we learn about orcas, the more we find that they're linguistically gifted. Chimps absolutely lack real language skills. (learning words ≠ real language skills)
Didn't know that about orcas. Haven't they taught some gorillas like sign language? There's that one gorilla Koko.
| 699 |
Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:05:28am |
re: #695 Charles
Fair enough.
I hope that the media can restrain their slavering over the incident enough for the truth to be able to come out.
And I hope the military realizes this is a good moment for transparency.
| 700 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:05:47am |
re: #693 Aceofwhat?
Seriously. Preachy vegetarians are more annoying than Jehovah's Witnesses with poor timing.
"Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter-faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn.
To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living.
Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food. The body, these waterheads imagine, is a temple that should not be polluted by animal protein. It's healthier, they insist, though every vegetarian waiter I've worked with is brought down by any rumor of a cold.
Oh, I'll accomodate them, I'll rummage around for something to feed them, for a 'vegetarian plate', if called on to do so. Fourteen dollars for a few slices of grilled eggplant and zucchini suits my food cost fine."
— Anthony Bourdain
No offense meant to FBV or anyone else here. I started reading Kitchen Confidential this week and I love that quote.
| 701 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:06:24am |
| 702 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:06:24am |
re: #679 robdouth
OK, agree to disagree then because being only a couple days removed from the NCAA Championship where the entire halftime show was dedicated to Obama beating Clark Kellogg at horse and talking about Obama, it seems there is a very innocuous, non-racist theme to this comment.
That's exactly why this kind of thing is known as a "dog whistle." Because they can say exactly what you just said, and pretend innocence.
Sorry, but I absolutely do not believe this was an innocent remark.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:06:33am |
re: #697 Aceofwhat?
I dunno...the more we learn about orcas, the more we find that they're linguistically gifted. Chimps absolutely lack real language skills. (learning words ≠ real language skills)
Yeah, but have you ever tried having a conversation with an orca? All they ever talk about is how tasty that seal was, boring!
...I'll stop now.
| 704 |
Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:06:40am |
re: #688 HappyWarrior
I agree. Some people are just really offended at the fact that we're related to the chimps. Don't know why. They're awesomely smart animals.
Plus, i watched that NatGeo show the other month about the orca who killed and ate a shark, caught on tape. Apparently it was smart enough to hold the shark upside down until it was in a pure catatonic state, then remained still long enough for the shark to die from lack of oxygen (no water running though the gills).
That's a smart mammal.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:07:04am |
re: #698 HappyWarrior
Didn't know that about orcas. Haven't they taught some gorillas like sign language? There's that one gorilla Koko.
GEORGE: Ok, everybody, uh...I have an announcement to make. From now on, I will be known as-
KRUGER: Koko the monkey.
GEORGE: What?
ALL (chanting): Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko! Koko!
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:07:45am |
re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee
I just rationally know that farming vegetables kills plenty of animals too. Little bunnies and mice die so that we can have carrots and arugula and eggplant. Not to mention the destruction to habitat and environment.
Ethical vegetarians are hypocrites to me. Vegetarians for any other reason are fine
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:08:06am |
re: #704 Aceofwhat?
Plus, i watched that NatGeo show the other month about the orca who killed and ate a shark, caught on tape. Apparently it was smart enough to hold the shark upside down until it was in a pure catatonic state, then remained still long enough for the shark to die from lack of oxygen (no water running though the gills).
That's a smart mammal.
Wow, that's something else. Had no idea they were that smart.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:08:12am |
re: #689 avanti
That post should be read in conjunction with this one about the House effect and how pollsters are arranging their polling. It goes into how Rassmussen samples versus Research 2000 - noting that Rassmussen has already gone to a likely voter model, while others have not yet done so.
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bratwurst Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:08:20am |
re: #516 cliffster
hehe. It was racist. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was.
How many times have I asked you to stop spoiling the end of threads for me, dammit!
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:09:43am |
re: #646 Charles
Not a single Israeli news outlet has confirmed that story. It's not even mentioned in Haaretz or Jerusalem Post. It's a fake, concocted to get right wingers (both US and Israeli) worked up about Barack Obama. Once again.
I don't think it's a deliberate right-wing fake, because it wasn't even reported by Arutz Sheva, which is the Israeli equivalent of Fox. It was just bad reporting, and then spread to the wingnut blogs.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:10:04am |
re: #706 Obdicut
I just rationally know that farming vegetables kills plenty of animals too. Little bunnies and mice die so that we can have carrots and arugula and eggplant. Not to mention the destruction to habitat and environment.
Ethical vegetarians are hypocrites to me. Vegetarians for any other reason are fine
Disagree 100%. Animals are tortured heinously across the country in factory farms. Meat tastes very good, and people who hate they current practices and thus choose not to eat meat are making a huge sacrifice. Ethical vegetarians are probably the most ethical sound people in the world.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:10:17am |
re: #707 HappyWarrior
Wow, that's something else. Had no idea they were that smart.
They're also smart enough to selectively rip out the shark's liver, which is rich in all kinds of vitamins, and eat that preferentially.
Orcas are way, way smarter than that, though. They have teamwork, and planning.
Look:
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:10:19am |
re: #698 HappyWarrior
Didn't know that about orcas. Haven't they taught some gorillas like sign language? There's that one gorilla Koko.
Yep. Words ≠ language. You can teach a chimp to sign that it wants an apple. Koko will never tell you "hey, so i figured out that if you deflate this rubber ball a little bit, you can squeeze it into the food chute."
Orcas might be doing that. I just don't think we have any idea.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:11:00am |
re: #702 Charles
That's exactly why this kind of thing is known as a "dog whistle." Because they can say exactly what you just said, and pretend innocence.
Sorry, but I absolutely do not believe this was an innocent remark.
Not only that, but it's freaking lame, because Obama isn't good at any sports.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:11:00am |
re: #711 cliffster
ethically sound, excuse me. Adverb, adjective, whatever. Screw you.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:11:19am |
re: #711 cliffster
And a rabbit that's crippled by a harvester is better off than a cow in a slaughterhouse how?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:11:25am |
I really have no problem with vegans/vegetarians as long as they're not judgmental as hell over me. I mean let's face facts. Eating meat is natural in nature and furthermore it's cultural as well. Guess I'm biased because I was brought up with a lot of meat eating. Meat, potatoes, and beer= heaven for me.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:11:51am |
re: #712 Obdicut
They're also smart enough to selectively rip out the shark's liver, which is rich in all kinds of vitamins, and eat that preferentially.
Orcas are way, way smarter than that, though. They have teamwork, and planning.
Look:
[Video]
i love that video. Love.
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SixDegrees Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:06am |
re: #698 HappyWarrior
Didn't know that about orcas. Haven't they taught some gorillas like sign language? There's that one gorilla Koko.
Koko, and other similar experiments, have come under serious question in the last few years. Reviews of raw footage pretty clearly shows the investigators prompting Koko for the desired response.
It's a real problem doing experiments like this, because it's likely the investigators themselves weren't doing it intentionally. Although their initial reluctance to release the footage, and that they didn't review it themselves looking for such prompting, intentional or not, doesn't say much for their experimental protocols.
Perhaps newly emerging technologies like fMRI will be able to shed some light on what's actually taking place in animal brains. For the moment, though, things remain unclear, at best.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:15am |
re: #713 Aceofwhat?
there was a special I watched one time about blue whales and about how orcas tracked and killed a baby blue whale hunting in a pack and distracting the mother.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:21am |
re: #718 HappyWarrior
I really have no problem with vegans/vegetarians as long as they're not judgmental as hell over me. I mean let's face facts. Eating meat is natural in nature and furthermore it's cultural as well. Guess I'm biased because I was brought up with a lot of meat eating. Meat, potatoes, and beer= heaven for me.
Upding for the last sentence. I'm salivating just thinking about it....
*droool*
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:23am |
re: #713 Aceofwhat?
Yep. Words ≠ language. You can teach a chimp to sign that it wants an apple. Koko will never tell you "hey, so i figured out that if you deflate this rubber ball a little bit, you can squeeze it into the food chute."
Orcas might be doing that. I just don't think we have any idea.
And it's probably a lot harder to study the orcas as well for obvious reasons. Dolphins I know are said to be real smart too. I could never extensively study it but animals are fascinating.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:47am |
re: #714 Alouette
Not only that, but it's freaking lame, because Obama isn't good at any sports.
He played basketball in high school and college and he still plays it for recreation.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:55am |
re: #722 Joo-LiZ
Upding for the last sentence. I'm salivating just thinking about it...
*droool*
Well I am German-Irish-Eastern European after all and we do it with the best.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:13:01am |
re: #718 HappyWarrior
I really have no problem with vegans/vegetarians as long as they're not judgmental as hell over me. I mean let's face facts. Eating meat is natural in nature and furthermore it's cultural as well. Guess I'm biased because I was brought up with a lot of meat eating. Meat, potatoes, and beer= heaven for me.
eh...the potatoes are a waste of time...you had me at meat and beer.
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avanti Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:13:26am |
Judge who vacationed with Massey mining CEO running for Congress.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:13:56am |
re: #723 HappyWarrior
so long and thanks for all the fish.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:14:22am |
re: #721 Dreggas
there was a special I watched one time about blue whales and about how orcas tracked and killed a baby blue whale hunting in a pack and distracting the mother.
Yes. They are very smart and very brutal hunters.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:14:28am |
re: #727 avanti
I really do think that separation of powers should include people who were prosecutors or judges being barred from seeking elected office. It always rubs me wrong.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:14:36am |
re: #726 Aceofwhat?
eh...the potatoes are a waste of time...you had me at meat and beer.
Haha, I disagree but I'm Irish after all as I said.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:14:53am |
re: #721 Dreggas
there was a special I watched one time about blue whales and about how orcas tracked and killed a baby blue whale hunting in a pack and distracting the mother.
Yep. I saw another one where they caught a dolphin. The dolphins are faster, of course, but the orcas just kept following it and took turns keeping up with it, like wolves following a deer. It finally got exhausted and turned into lunch. Incredible animals.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:15:12am |
re: #717 Obdicut
And a rabbit that's crippled by a harvester is better off than a cow in a slaughterhouse how?
I'm not going to argue this. It's the intentional torture of living, feeling creatures by the hundreds of millions. I'm sure that rabbits are hurt by harvesters. It's nowhere near the horrendous scale, and it's not intentional. It's not even a logical comparison.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:15:38am |
re: #728 Dreggas
so long and thanks for all the fish.
Very good Hitchhiker's reference.
And Another Thing About Orcas... :D
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:15:49am |
re: #730 Obdicut
I really do think that separation of powers should include people who were prosecutors or judges being barred from seeking elected office. It always rubs me wrong.
Hm. I like that, now that I think about it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:16:15am |
re: #723 HappyWarrior
Dolphins and whales may be smart, but manatees write the scripts for Family Guy!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:16:47am |
re: #737 Mad Al-Jaffee
Dolphins and whales may be smart, but manatees write the scripts for Family Guy!
Updinging for the South Park reference. I enjoy Family Guy but that episode was great.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:16:48am |
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:16:54am |
re: #712 Obdicut
They're also smart enough to selectively rip out the shark's liver, which is rich in all kinds of vitamins, and eat that preferentially.
Orcas are way, way smarter than that, though. They have teamwork, and planning.
Look:
[Video]
lol, top comment on the video:
THAT S**T WAS ORCA-STRATED
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:17:35am |
re: #733 cliffster
I'm not going to argue this. It's the intentional torture of living, feeling creatures by the hundreds of millions. I'm sure that rabbits are hurt by harvesters. It's nowhere near the horrendous scale, and it's not intentional. It's not even a logical comparison.
you really think that death by predator is less torturous than death by slaughterhouse?
ever seen a farmer kill a cow? it's not torture, not by a long shot.
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Nautilus Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:18:23am |
The GOP should stop demonizing the government wherever they can. It kinda sounds like they'd rather have no government at all, anarchy that is. Comparisons to Communism are getting old, besides they are usually based on wrong facts to absolutely nothing.
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Stanghazi Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:19:02am |
re: #712 Obdicut
They're also smart enough to selectively rip out the shark's liver, which is rich in all kinds of vitamins, and eat that preferentially.
Orcas are way, way smarter than that, though. They have teamwork, and planning.
Look:
[Video]
Ha ha - the tourists! "If you don't want to watch the bullfight, you better leave"
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allegro Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:20:22am |
re: #721 Dreggas
there was a special I watched one time about blue whales and about how orcas tracked and killed a baby blue whale hunting in a pack and distracting the mother.
That's a technique used by most all pack predators... including humans.
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SixDegrees Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:20:26am |
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:21:28am |
re: #741 Aceofwhat?
you really think that death by predator is less torturous than death by slaughterhouse?
ever seen a farmer kill a cow? it's not torture, not by a long shot.
You mean where as many as one in ten cows are stunned but not killed, and end up getting slaughtered while still alive? Or do you mean the pig factory farms where pigs never see the light of day, the piglets are yanked away at birth and literally tossed into carts as they go by, they are kept in filthy conditions until they are killed in, yes, way less humane ways than in nature? You should study up on the topic. It is gruesome.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:22:40am |
re: #733 cliffster
Okay. So it's okay to go about raising food in a manner that maims and cripples animals as long as it's not intentional?
That doesn't fly with me. Yeah, factory farming sucks, which is why I buy my meat local, from farms I know the ethical practices of. But trucks whizzing along the highway kill shitloads of animals too, and habitat destruction means long starvation for animals, and even as simple a thing as rotating the soil is a nightmare for the small rodents in the field.
I will be the first to start eating vat-cloned meat as soon as its available. Mmmm, vat-cloned beef!
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:24:10am |
re: #747 Obdicut
I'm glad you buy local and do your homework. As for petri-dish grown meat.. bring it *shudder* on...
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robdouth Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:28:59am |
re: #690 Aceofwhat?
I agree, but when you are reflexively called racist all the time (as conservatives are) it should at least be understandable why some would get defensive. I'm not saying it wasn't racist, I'm saying my rule of thumb is that I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that makes the person look the worst until I've satisfied myself that there isn't a more innocent reason for it. But I'm fully prepared to admit I'm probably wrong.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:30:52am |
re: #749 robdouth
You're not reflexively called racist all the time.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:34:59am |
re: #746 cliffster
You mean where as many as one in ten cows are stunned but not killed, and end up getting slaughtered while still alive? Or do you mean the pig factory farms where pigs never see the light of day, the piglets are yanked away at birth and literally tossed into carts as they go by, they are kept in filthy conditions until they are killed in, yes, way less humane ways than in nature? You should study up on the topic. It is gruesome.
you want to talk about living conditions or the conditions under which the animal is killed? we were talking about the latter...switching the subject to the former makes me think i've made my point.
"as many as one in ten" huh? what's the real average?
(last FDA audits i read were closer to 1% for the worst offenders)
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:38:33am |
re: #712 Obdicut
They're also smart enough to selectively rip out the shark's liver, which is rich in all kinds of vitamins, and eat that preferentially.
Orcas are way, way smarter than that, though. They have teamwork, and planning.
Look:
[Video]
Incredibly interesting.
My sympathies are with the seal, though.
Poor thing.
But it is how it must be.
| 753 |
Semper Fi Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:38:53am |
re: #556 Cannadian Club Akbar
Starts in Florida and runs west. Not sure where it ends.
Good morning lizards. Just finished breakfast in the Wildflower located in Arizona. Weather is gorgeous.
I believe I10 out west becomes the Santa Monica Fwy ending at the CA coast.
Driving in yesterday, along I10, posted speed limits in CA reached 70 while 75 became the maximum in AZ. A nice drive this time of year as the desert is in bloom. I was showing off my new radiator and just daring the weather to get hot. Pays to bring your favorite cd's on that drive. The more the better.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:40:17am |
re: #749 robdouth
I agree, but when you are reflexively called racist all the time (as conservatives are) it should at least be understandable why some would get defensive. I'm not saying it wasn't racist, I'm saying my rule of thumb is that I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that makes the person look the worst until I've satisfied myself that there isn't a more innocent reason for it. But I'm fully prepared to admit I'm probably wrong.
i think i know what you mean. i don't like it when, for example, principled opposition to affirmative action = racism. i think it's inappropriate to say that Condi, Colin Powell, et al were "token" members of Bush's staff. i think it's blindness to say that black republicans don't often face some nasty racism from other blacks. it's documented.
but folks here are mostly trying to call it like they see it, and i almost always agree with them. i'm tired of this because i'm tired of the fringe of our party acting racist, which is not an excuse for me to be defensive about it. our fringe needs to stop acting racist...which will happen when our leaders stop pandering to them.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:42:03am |
re: #752 reine.de.tout
Yes. I'm fascinated by the Orcas, but think of the seals. Have you ever read Kipling's The White Seal?
Beautiful story.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:52:32am |
re: #751 Aceofwhat?
you want to talk about living conditions or the conditions under which the animal is killed? we were talking about the latter...switching the subject to the former makes me think i've made my point.
"as many as one in ten" huh? what's the real average?
(last FDA audits i read were closer to 1% for the worst offenders)
Had to step away, don't know if you're still reading this thread. I didn't change the subject, perhaps I didn't make myself clear to begin with. Animals are tortured at factory farms; I think that people who boycott meat because of this are fine people indeed. As for the exact number of cows, 1% would be way too high. One in ten is probably higher than reality, but I suspect it's not that far off. I don't trust the FDA further than I can shit them in this topic.
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Semper Fi Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:55:21am |
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palomino Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:58:52am |
re: #671 Mad Al-Jaffee
Moby's upset that the president eats meat. He must be a racist!
If he starts using dog whistle terms about fried chicken and pigs feet, then yeah.
Otherwise, it's standard issue criticism of Obama from the left for being insufficiently progressive. Nothing racist, and not very funny as an equivalency jab either.
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RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:05:55am |
re: #684 Killgore Trout
I have no idea. I looked around a little bit at couldn't even find blogs discussing it.
I thought wikileaks posted two videos a 39 minute video and a truncated 17 min video.
| 762 |
RogueOne Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:07:32am |
re: #692 Killgore Trout
That answers my question, I should have kept reading.
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Altermite Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:13:13am |
Obdicut, consider this: Producing vegetables and transporting them does have some incidental costs in animal deaths.
However, it alwaystakes several units of vegetables (and grains and whatnot) to produce a single unit of meat- often ratios of 10:1 at least.
So, by eating your pound of farmed meat, even ignoring the direct damage and ethical arguments, you are still causing far more incidental damage. Consuming meat requires more land under cultivation than consuming vegetables, no matter how you look at it.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 1:00:14pm |
re: #527 Joo-LiZ
Every nation on earth is a work in progress.
The continued treatment of Native American's as second class citizens is a massive betrayal and the missed opportunities after the civil war to build a multiracial society into which the KKK and white supremacism remained mainstream through the south after the failure to rebuild, is, regretable.
Airbrushing massive missed opportunities to create a better society is not "self hatred" or "anti americanism" - it is, unfortunately, history.
To a great extent the hypothesis is correct that "equal protection clause" of the constitution and the "all men are created equal" - were ahead of their time, if our understanding of equality is retroactively applied.
It took until 1954 for equal protection to be applied to black children in education - states and local boards are still trying to define out gay people from equal protection.
But - thats history, history is still happening. America is a great country and it's still in tha happening.
Stripping out murder rates, child mortality rates, gun deaths, health insurance coverage and educational standards - it's a pretty fine country...... i know, i've been there, my girlfriend is from there. It's a great country - with problems, as we all do.
Using terms like "self-hating" and "anti-americanism" don't help with the arguments, it sets up anyone who isn't a "can do no wrong" nationalist as a traitor against doctrine.
There are things to be addressed and plenty more things to be celebrated - nationhood is a pretty fucking hard slog - there are countries who have been at it a helluva lot longer than the USA has and they all still have a long way to go.
Nationality is an accident of birth - it befalls all citizens to make the place they were born better before they die than it was before they arrived.
But it's all a matter of taste.
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