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Understand this, I mean to arrive at the truth. The truth, however ugly in itself, is always curious and beautiful to seekers after it.
— Hercule Poirot
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freetoken Tue, Apr 27, 2010 10:58:55pm |
Understand this, I mean to arrive at the truth.
Johnnie Cochran I suppose believed that too.
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Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:01:01pm |
Truth is beauty and beauty is truth.
I had to write an essay on this, once upon a time.
I got an “A” for what if I thought your beauty was ugly?
Teachers pet, was an ugly lady. And, it wasn’t me.
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Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:01:57pm |
re: #1 freetoken
You may MEAN to arrive at the truth.
But, how do you KNOW if you got there?
Other, than by faith.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:02:38pm |
re: #1 freetoken
Johnnie Cochran I suppose believed that too.
Only to him, truth was measured in the amount of money to be made.
Goodnight, all.
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Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:04:08pm |
re: #4 Dark_Falcon
Hasta manana.
Freetoken, turn the lights out, when youre done?
G’Night, all.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:04:40pm |
The Truth is always beautiful, but the search for it can get ugly.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:09:52pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:10:16pm |
sorry guys, i’ve found a better blog and will be moving on
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:14:28pm |
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Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:22:25pm |
re: #8 spacejesus
sorry guys, i’ve found a better blog and will be moving on
[Link: sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com…]
I that a flounce? Or a flounce-light?
Please SJ, don’t do it!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:27:57pm |
re: #8 spacejesus
sorry guys, i’ve found a better blog and will be moving on
[Link: sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com…]
My favorites:
“I’m gonna have a great day…. Don’t you fuck it up.”
“I’ve got you by the balls. An uncomfortable situation for both of us…. but one I’m going to savor.”
“Headstands are for girls only. When they wear skirts.”
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:35:51pm |
Well, I’m folding like an old hooker taking a gut-punch. G’nite all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 27, 2010 11:55:29pm |
re: #8 spacejesus
So Windsagio, my good friend who is also on LGf, was once sleeptalking and said the following:
“You punk, you’re dreaming!”
“It’s mister hatface! NO WAIT! It’s mister snakeface!”
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 12:01:22am |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
My favorites:
“I’m gonna have a great day… Don’t you fuck it up.”
“I’ve got you by the balls. An uncomfortable situation for both of us… but one I’m going to savor.”
“Headstands are for girls only. When they wear skirts.”
I used to conduct conversations with my wife when sleeptalking.
“Put your finger in your mouth!” she once exclaimed.
“Why should I put my finger in my mouth?” (I was half asleep and not entirely aware of what she was on about)
“I’m trying to make a ‘fridge!” was her response before rolling over and going back to sleep.
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 12:59:41am |
re: #8 spacejesus
sorry guys, i’ve found a better blog and will be moving on
[Link: sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com…]
Amazing! Sounds just like an LGF thread.
He’s a one man Lizard forum!
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huddyofOz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:20:21am |
re: #2 Floral Giraffe
Truth is beauty and beauty is truth.
I had to write an essay on this, once upon a time.
I got an “A” for what if I thought your beauty was ugly?Teachers pet, was an ugly lady. And, it wasn’t me.
♫ There’s nooooo aphrodisiac, like truth…beauty…and a picture of youuu♫
~The Whitlams
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huddyofOz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 1:34:17am |
I was wondering where he parked it. The truth is out there?
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teleskiguy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:32:47am |
Wingnut Watch:
This is teleskiguy’s 8th grade teacher’s Facebook status, as of 01:30 mountain time on April 28, 2010:
“I stand arm in arm with the great state of Arizona! For 200 years immigrants were willing to come to our country legally and successfully. Now many are unwilling to compile with our law. I am not sure how individuals’ refusal to compile with the law makes a state wrong for trying to protect its people. Then again this current administration is not about protecting Americans, it is about ruining America”
As the proprietor of this blog says with alarming frequency: “Good Grief,” “For Pete’s Sake,” “You’ve got to be kidding me.”
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:44:42am |
Come pile on me…
The Arizona law makes the kind of Fox-soundbyte sense that is hard to refute without going off into the sort of nuances that TV news has no time or interest in dealing with with.
It is illegal to cross the border into the US without permission. But the adopted status quo for ages has been that the law is not enforced, the border is porous and there is no system in place to admit, register, identify and track immigrants who have come to live and work in America.
Immigration is a national problem, but the southern border states bear the brunt of the problems. If the Federal government cannot come up with a way to help them, they are going to take these kinds of steps to force it to react.
There are some just criticisms of this law and its potential for abuse, but just repealing it will not solve the underlying issues.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:04:23am |
re: #18 teleskiguy
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Okami Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:13:19am |
re: #18 teleskiguy
She better not be an English teacher, considering she doesn’t know the difference between “compile” and “comply”.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:30:03am |
And also the meme that this administration is not just letting America go to rack and ruin by incompetence or bad policies, it is actively bringing aobut its downfall.
Which means, of course, we might just have to take up arms to defend it…
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simoom Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:32:29am |
I saw you all discussed this CNN article yesterday, but I only just started getting sent links to it today so excuse my venting :P.
Economists: The stimulus didn’t help
The recovery is picking up steam as employers boost payrolls, but economists think the government’s stimulus package and jobs bill had little to do with the rebound, according to a survey released Monday.
After a cursory glance at the article, both the title and the opening summation appear to be extremely misleading. Basically it seems they surveyed 68 National Association for Business Economics members about the job situation at their place of employment, so not about how the Stimulus impacted the whole economy, or even the job situation in general, but whether or not their company hired (So essentially, 50 of the 68 private-sector companies surveyed, in the opinion of the companies NABE economist, didn’t hire more employees as a result of the Stimulus).
NABE conducted the study by polling 68 of its members who work in economic roles at private-sector firms. About 73% of those surveyed said employment at their company is neither higher nor lower as a result of the $787 billion Recovery Act, which the White House’s Council of Economic Advisers says is on track to create or save 3.5 million jobs by the end of the year.
And even when looking at what was actually polled, considering the minuscule size of the Stimulus in relation to the size of the economy, I’m actually surprised ~18 of the 50 were impacted.
Ah well, thanks for humoring my late night rant — I’m off to get a couple more hours of sleep.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:35:38am |
re: #19 ralphieboy
Just a few minor corrections
there is no system in place to admit, register, identify and track immigrants who have come to live and work in America.
Incorrect. we do it every day. People are here legally with student and work visas (not to mention travelers and those awaiting citizenship).
Immigration is a national problem,
ILLEGAL immigration is. Immigration itself is and always has been welcome
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:38:40am |
re: #23 simoom
but whether or not their company hired
In that the unemployment rate has stayed steady for the last 4 months, and prior to that it had risen, I would suspect it’s just more than “their” companies
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:50:15am |
re: #24 sattv4u2
Just a few minor corrections
there is no system in place to admit, register, identify and track immigrants who have come to live and work in America.
Incorrect. we do it every day. People are here legally with student and work visas (not to mention travelers and those awaiting citizenship).
Immigration is a national problem,
ILLEGAL immigration is. Immigration itself is and always has been welcome
You are correct that there is a system for registering legal immigrants. But as long as the border remains porous, there is no system for admitting and registering other immigrants: they simply come over and blend into to the local populace and we have no way of tracking them.
The Arizona law is a flawed, desperate attempt to come to grips with this problem.
And yes, I meant ILLEGAL immigration.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:53:19am |
re: #26 ralphieboy
You are correct that there is a system for registering legal immigrants. But as long as the border remains porous, there is no system for admitting and registering other immigrants: they simply come over and blend into to the local populace and we have no way of tracking them.
The Arizona law is a flawed, desperate attempt to come to grips with this problem.
And yes, I meant ILLEGAL immigration.
There IS a system for admitting and registering “other” immigrants. It’s the same system used for admitting and registering legal immigrants. The “other” immigrants just choose to avoid the system.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:55:51am |
re: #26 ralphieboy
You are correct that there is a system for registering legal immigrants. But as long as the border remains porous, there is no system for admitting and registering other immigrants: they simply come over and blend into to the local populace and we have no way of tracking them.
The Arizona law is a flawed, desperate attempt to come to grips with this problem.
And yes, I meant ILLEGAL immigration.
This is kind of like saying there is a checkout stand at the store for legal buyers, but there’s no place where shoplifters can pay for the stuff they take.
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alexknyc Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:00:39am |
re: #18 teleskiguy
Wingnut Watch:
This is teleskiguy’s 8th grade teacher’s Facebook status, as of 01:30 mountain time on April 28, 2010:
“I stand arm in arm with the great state of Arizona! For 200 years immigrants were willing to come to our country legally and successfully. Now many are unwilling to compile with our law. I am not sure how individuals’ refusal to compile with the law makes a state wrong for trying to protect its people. Then again this current administration is not about protecting Americans, it is about ruining America”
As the proprietor of this blog says with alarming frequency: “Good Grief,” “For Pete’s Sake,” “You’ve got to be kidding me.”
Compile?
What does this person teach? I hope it’s not English.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:05:10am |
re: #28 Tigger2005
This is kind of like saying there is a checkout stand at the store for legal buyers, but there’s no place where shoplifters can pay for the stuff they take.
It’s a good analogy, the USA is a supermarket without a back wall, so to speak.
We would have to seal off our borders completely and patrol them aggressively. And register and track everyone who enters through the legal checkpoints. That is an expensive proposition, and means a lot more government bureaucracy.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:10:47am |
I think you want to check over at Las Pocos Futboles Verdes
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:14:07am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:14:42am |
re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
An illegal immigrants here?
*Raises hand*
Once more the Sith will rule the Galaxy!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:16:02am |
re: #30 ralphieboy
It’s a good analogy, the USA is a supermarket without a back wall, so to speak.
We would have to seal off our borders completely and patrol them aggressively. And register and track everyone who enters through the legal checkpoints. That is an expensive proposition, and means a lot more government bureaucracy.
I think we can do it (no,, not 100%, but more effectively than now) with devices already in place.
A) discourage companies from hiring illegals. If we just fine the company eventually they will just pass that cost to the consumer. I say real jail time for the owner and/or the head of personnel
B) stop allowing illegals drivers licenses. driving is and always has been a privilege (per state), not a “right”
C) same applies to visits to an emergency room. I’m not advocating NOT treating someone who needs medical attention, but if they are illegal aleins they should be detained at that point
There are others, but I’m on hour 10 of a very hectic work shift (with almost 3 more hours to go) after getting no sleep since 24 hours ago and my brain is cramping
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:16:30am |
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:16:44am |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:17:46am |
re: #1 freetoken
Johnnie Cochran I suppose believed that too.
Yeah right. Jury nullification will set you free.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:20:57am |
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:39:54am |
re: #35 sattv4u2
…. driving is and always has been a privilege (per state), not a “right”
I’ve missed that question on the Indiana drivers test every time. Unless I’ve done something wrong then driving is a right and the state can have the privilege of kissing my butt.
Morning All!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:41:38am |
re: #43 RogueOne
I’ve missed that question on the Indiana drivers test every time. Unless I’ve done something wrong then driving is a right and the state can have the privilege of kissing my butt.
Morning All!
The state has the privilege of granting you a license or not
You do not have the right to just walk in and get one
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:42:04am |
HUGO CHAVEZ CALLS FOR NATIONALIZATION OF DIAMOND, GOLD MINING
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez publicly advocated his Cabinet to nationalize gold and diamond mining in the country’s southern state of Bolivar during a recent edition of his weekly talk show, Aló Presidente.
He reportedly blamed the country’s system of granting concessions to private mining companies for depleting the rainforests and mines and “destroying” and “polluting” nature and the country’s natural resources. “Capitalism is looking for gold, diamonds. We must stop them,” he was quoted as saying.
He also accused private national and transnational companies, which he reportedly referred to as “capitalist mafias” of not paying taxes on the gold and diamonds recovered.
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alexknyc Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:42:05am |
re: #35 sattv4u2
C) same applies to visits to an emergency room. I’m not advocating NOT treating someone who needs medical attention, but if they are illegal aleins they should be detained at that point
I’d be concerned about the effect this might have on public health.
With an outbreak of a contagious illness, you want the people affected early to be treated as quickly as possible. Considering that quite a few illegals live in close quarters, the risk of an epidemic is higher. If they’re afraid of going to the ER for treatment, you might wind up with a worse outbreak than you otherwise would have had.
Illness never asks about green cards or citizenship. I don’t think treatment should either.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:44:02am |
re: #45 sattv4u2
As long as I meet the qualifications then it’s a right. It might be a right they can take away, but it’s still a right.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:46:30am |
re: #47 alexknyc
I’d be concerned about the effect this might have on public health.
With an outbreak of a contagious illness, you want the people affected early to be treated as quickly as possible. Considering that quite a few illegals live in close quarters, the risk of an epidemic is higher. If they’re afraid of going to the ER for treatment, you might wind up with a worse outbreak than you otherwise would have had.
Illness never asks about green cards or citizenship. I don’t think treatment should either.
Treat them, then after they are well send them back home and send the bill to their home country.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:47:21am |
re: #48 RogueOne
As long as I meet the qualifications then it’s a right. It might be a right they can take away, but it’s still a right.
Then what defines a “right”, really? As far as I’m concerned, part of the definition is that they can’t be taken away without committing some kind of human rights violation.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:47:23am |
re: #47 alexknyc
Illness never asks about green cards or citizenship. I don’t think treatment should either.
And I clearly indicated that treatment would not be denied. You do bring up a good point that they could be reluctant to go for treatment, but as stated above, there are too many “easy” avenues that attract illegals here in the 1st place
IF they knew that potential employers would shy away from hiring them or face jail time, IF they knew they couldn’t get a license or other services, IF they knew that going to a med facility may lead to incarceration, it MAY slow the flow into the country
That whole Risk/Reward scale
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alexknyc Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:47:24am |
re: #50 NJDhockeyfan
Treat them, then after they are well send them back home and send the bill to their home country.
The problem is that, if they know they’re going to get deported, they might not actually go for treatment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:48:20am |
re: #50 NJDhockeyfan
Treat them, then after they are well send them back home and send the bill to their home country.
I guess you don’t have to send the bill to the home country. Just subtract the costs from the aid that you know we are going to send them anyway.
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alexknyc Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:50:36am |
re: #52 sattv4u2
Illness never asks about green cards or citizenship. I don’t think treatment should either.
And I clearly indicated that treatment would not be denied. You do bring up a good point that they could be reluctant to go for treatment, but as stated above, there are too many “easy” avenues that attract illegals here in the 1st place
IF they knew that potential employers would shy away from hiring them or face jail time, IF they knew they couldn’t get a license or other services, IF they knew that going to a med facility may lead to incarceration, it MAY slow the flow into the country
That whole Risk/Reward scale
There’s no guarantee that it would slow the flow of illegals into the country.
If someone is coughing up bloody sputum, I’d rather they didn’t have to think twice about going to the ER and decide to get on the subway.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:50:42am |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I guess you don’t have to send the bill to the home country. Just subtract the costs from the aid that you know we are going to send them anyway.
I can just see a Mexican gov’t official getting that bill
“$9.00 for an ASPIRIN !?!?”
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:51:19am |
re: #55 alexknyc
There’s no guarantee that it would slow the flow of illegals into the country.
If someone is coughing up bloody sputum, I’d rather they didn’t have to think twice about going to the ER and decide to get on the subway.
And I’d rather they be discouraged from coming in the 1st place
Cart/ Horse
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:51:52am |
re: #51 thedopefishlives
Then what defines a “right”, really? As far as I’m concerned, part of the definition is that they can’t be taken away without committing some kind of human rights violation.
Good question. My problem is I’m cantankerous and I don’t like the patronizing tone the state uses when it says “we’re going to let you drive only because we’re nice people and not because you deserve a license.” I find it annoying. I have had to take the written test 3 times and that question has always been on there and I’ve missed it every time. I’m sure they’ve noticed I have taken a stand against that question./
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:54:12am |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I guess you don’t have to send the bill to the home country. Just subtract the costs from the aid that you know we are going to send them anyway.
Brilliant! Add the costs of deporting them and charge various fees on top of that. We could get out of debt in no time.
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alexknyc Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:54:50am |
re: #57 sattv4u2
And I’d rather they be discouraged from coming in the 1st place
Cart/ Horse
I understand your priorities but I don’t see how this idea would make that happen. It’s unlikely that someone coming to the US illegally will turn back because they’ll be deported for going to the ER.
Also, given the millions of illegals here already, how would this help?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 4:55:21am |
re: #56 sattv4u2
I can just see a Mexican gov’t official getting that bill
“$9.00 for an ASPIRIN !?!?”
Can’t you see an American gov’t official? “I’ll trade you for an equal amount of cocaine.”
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:01:12am |
re: #60 alexknyc
I understand your priorities but I don’t see how this idea would make that happen. It’s unlikely that someone coming to the US illegally will turn back because they’ll be deported for going to the ER.
Also, given the millions of illegals here already, how would this help?
Take away their free government services and they will leave. They found their way here, they will find their way back home. My grandparents came over here legally and earned their citizenship. To put these illegal aliens to the front of the line past the ones doing it the right way is unfair to the law abiding immigrants.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:01:49am |
I missed this last week but it seems to have caused a bit of a stir. Prof. Gates (remember him?) wrote a NYTimes Op-Ed:
Ending the Slavery Blame-Game
nytimes.com
While we are all familiar with the role played by the United States and the European colonial powers like Britain, France, Holland, Portugal and Spain, there is very little discussion of the role Africans themselves played. And that role, it turns out, was a considerable one, especially for the slave-trading kingdoms of western and central Africa. These included the Akan of the kingdom of Asante in what is now Ghana, the Fon of Dahomey (now Benin), the Mbundu of Ndongo in modern Angola and the Kongo of today’s Congo, among several others.
Quite a few people disagree with that assessment. Here’s one:
Ether: The Mis-Education of Henry Louis Gates, Jr
globalgrind.com
Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. argues that a moral, historic, political and economic equivalency exists between the culpability and responsibility of some Africans who participated in the transatlantic slave trade with the nations of Europe and the American colonies . This article perverts history and violates what Dr. W.E.B. DuBois called “scientific truth.” The article was intellectually disingenuous from the stand point of history and scholarship.
The opposing article gets rougher from there. I find the flap interesting partly because it shows that Political Correctness is relative. When someone doesn’t like the history they make accusations of revisionism and ignorance. AdHom attacks are always easier than dealing with reality.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:02:15am |
re: #60 alexknyc
I understand your priorities but I don’t see how this idea would make that happen. It’s unlikely that someone coming to the US illegally will turn back because they’ll be deported for going to the ER.
Also, given the millions of illegals here already, how would this help?
If you knew beforehand that coming in to the country ILLEGALLY would mean
A) potential employers would face jail time if they hired you, therefore making it a lot less likely you could get a job
B) no state would issue you a license nor social services
C) a med facility would turn you in
wouldn’t you be a lot less likely to even try to come in?
AND ,, as for those already here, please see A and B if you’re that concerned with C
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:02:52am |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can’t you see an American gov’t official? “I’ll trade you for an equal amount of cocaine.”
Marion Barry, is that you?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:04:04am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:06:07am |
I got this in a recent email:
If you cross the North Korean Border illegally, you get 12 years hard labor.If you cross the Iranian border illegally, you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally, you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally, you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally, you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally, you will be thrown into political prison to rot.
If you cross the U.S. Border you get:
A job
A drivers license
Social Security Card
Welfare
Food Stamps
Credit Cards
Subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house
Free education
Free Health Care
A lobbyist in Washington
Billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language
Your own television channels, also in your language
Telephone answering systems as well as ATM machines in your language
The right to carry your country’s flag while you protest that you don’t get
enough respect
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:09:08am |
Looks like high taxes are unpopular in Gaza…
Palestinian faction warns of ‘explosion’ over Hamas taxes
GAZA CITY — A leftist Palestinian faction warned on Tuesday of an “explosion” if the Islamist Hamas movement continues collecting a raft of new taxes in its impoverished Gaza enclave.
The rare harsh criticism of the movement that has ruled Gaza since June 2007 came in response to new taxes that the Hamas-run government says are necessary to address a financial “crisis.”
“The pressure that Hamas forces are exerting in Gaza undermine the idea of improving the steadfastness of our people, who are already exhausted,” the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) said.
“The increase in pressure and burdens on our citizens in this miserable economic and social reality will give rise to problems and social maladies and will push the youth towards emigration.
“It may push society to rebel against these behaviours, but the explosion will be in the face of the perpetrators,” it said.
In recent weeks Hamas has started collecting taxes on a wide range of goods and services, including imposing a tax of up to 30 percent on cigarettes.
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:10:52am |
re: #46 NJDhockeyfan
HUGO CHAVEZ CALLS FOR NATIONALIZATION OF DIAMOND, GOLD MINING
Something familiar about all of this
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:11:17am |
re: #70 NJDhockeyfan
I felt the same way a few weeks ago when I found out that I owed federal and state taxes!
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:12:53am |
Shocker: Oklahoma abortion law causes lawsuit:
Hours after the Senate’s action on the two measures, the state is sued.
tulsaworld.com
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:13:54am |
And before the chorus starts sounding how the repubs are the “party of no” and have “no ideas or alternatives” for reforming the financial sector
GOP unveils plan on financial sector
Perhaps if Nancy and Harry tell the GOP what rooms the meetings are in ,,,,,
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:14:06am |
Uh OH,
Now Maryland is following Arizona’s lead!
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Mother Accused of Illegal Sale of Phone Cards Faces Deportation
Her fingerprints were taken by the Prince George’s County Department of Corrections when she was booked, and under the terms of a program that began last December, the county shared her fingerprints with U.S. Immigration, which screened her for immigration violations.
Under terms of a program that began under the *gasp* Obama administration!
//
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:14:08am |
PA Cleric: Allah Used Iceland Volcano to Punish ‘Infidels’
A Palestinian Authority cleric informed his television congregants in Hamas terrorist-controlled Gaza that the active volcano in Iceland was Divinely ignited to punish “infidels and polytheists with fear and terror.”
The volcano, which spewed thick clouds of ash into the atmosphere, halting airline flights throughout Europe and elsewhere for nearly a week, was activated by Allah, according to the Hamas cleric.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:14:51am |
re: #76 rwdflynavy
Uh OH,
Now Maryland is following Arizona’s lead!
//Mother Accused of Illegal Sale of Phone Cards Faces Deportation
Her fingerprints were taken by the Prince George’s County Department of Corrections when she was booked, and under the terms of a program that began last December, the county shared her fingerprints with U.S. Immigration, which screened her for immigration violations.
Under terms of a program that began under the *gasp* Obama administration!
//
Racists!
//
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:15:42am |
Also in OK, an update on a story I post awhile ago:
D.A. drops 3 drug cases
Felony charges are dismissed against 5 people as a grand jury probes 2 cops and a federal agent.
tulsaworld.com
Felony drug charges have been dropped against five defendants who were investigated by an undercover Tulsa police officer who was suspended during an investigation of police corruption in Tulsa.The dismissals in state court bring to eight the number of people whose charges have been dismissed or who have been released from prison as a result of the grand jury investigation. Two police officers have been suspended and one federal agent has been indicted.
The cases were dismissed during a review of drug and criminal cases involving Officer Jeff Henderson, an undercover officer assigned to the Special Investigations Division. Henderson was placed on paid leave last month after being implicated in an alleged fabricated drug buy in 2007 that sent two people to federal prison.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:17:25am |
re: #77 NJDhockeyfan
See? Now for me to hope that the Earth opens up and swallows that guy tho, is wrong?
/
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:18:24am |
re: #57 sattv4u2
And I’d rather they be discouraged from coming in the 1st place
Cart/ Horse
The only right way IMO for them to be discouraged into coming here would be for them to be encouraged to stay where they are. This means things must improve for them in their countries of origin. Personally, I’d like to see our southern neighbor’s economic and civil rights conditions improve. If they were more like us in this regard, there would be less need for them to come here. While there are some things the U.S. can do to help latin america, our options are limited in this regard. Even with U.S. help, it is really up to latin american people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
In the meantime, we must recognize that many people are fleeing crime, corruption, and oppression, as well as poor economic conditions. Rather than creating an atmosphere of hostility, it is better to foster a culture of responsibility and encourage legal residency.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:18:47am |
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:19:05am |
re: #76 rwdflynavy
Uh OH,
Now Maryland is following Arizona’s lead!
//Mother Accused of Illegal Sale of Phone Cards Faces Deportation
Her fingerprints were taken by the Prince George’s County Department of Corrections when she was booked, and under the terms of a program that began last December, the county shared her fingerprints with U.S. Immigration, which screened her for immigration violations.
Under terms of a program that began under the *gasp* Obama administration!
//
By the way, how’s his aunt Zeituni Onyango making out in Boston? Was she deported?
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:19:17am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:20:45am |
Suntanned women face arrest in Iran
Women with suntans are deemed to be violating the spirit of Islamic laws.
Brig Hossien Sajedinia, Tehran’s police chief, said: ‘The public expects us to act firmly and swiftly if we see any social misbehaviour by women, and men, who defy our Islamic values.
‘In some areas of north Tehran we can see many suntanned women and young girls who look like walking mannequins.
‘We are not going to tolerate this situation and will first warn those found in this manner and then arrest and imprison them.’
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:20:58am |
re: #84 ryannon
By the way, how’s his aunt Zeituni Onyango making out in Boston? Was she deported?
Not until she commits (another) a crime.
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:21:19am |
re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
I got this in a recent email:
If you cross the North Korean Border illegally, you get 12 years hard labor.
If you cross the Iranian border illegally, you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally, you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally, you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally, you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally, you will be thrown into political prison to rot.
If you cross the U.S. Border you get:
A job
A drivers license
Social Security Card
Welfare
Food Stamps
Credit Cards
Subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house
Free education
Free Health Care
A lobbyist in Washington
Billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language
Your own television channels, also in your language
Telephone answering systems as well as ATM machines in your language
The right to carry your country’s flag while you protest that you don’t get
enough respect
We’re better than all those countries, in part for the same reasons listed in the email.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:21:36am |
re: #81 Liberal Classic
In the meantime, we must recognize that many people are fleeing crime, corruption, and oppression, as well as poor economic conditions. Rather than creating an atmosphere of hostility, it is better to foster a culture of responsibility and encourage legal residency.
As has been the case throughout our history. And our borders have always been open for those coming in legally
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:22:05am |
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:24:18am |
re: #89 sattv4u2
Sure, but how do you discourage people from coming here in the first place without (inadvertently) creating an anti-immigrant culture. Not saying you are racist or anything like that.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:25:47am |
re: #91 Liberal Classic
Sure, but how do you discourage people from coming here in the first place without (inadvertently) creating an anti-immigrant culture. Not saying you are racist or anything like that.
We have always welcomed anyone who wants to come here. All we ask is to get in line like everyone else. Why is that so difficult?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:27:06am |
re: #91 Liberal Classic
Sure, but how do you discourage people from coming here in the first place without (inadvertently) creating an anti-immigrant culture. Not saying you are racist or anything like that.
Then why would you even mention it?
Anyway, I outlined three distinct ways to discourage. Please see littlegreenfootballs.com
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:27:08am |
Asking people to wait their turn is not the same as being “discouraged from coming here in the first place”.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:27:30am |
re: #89 sattv4u2
In the meantime, we must recognize that many people are fleeing crime, corruption, and oppression, as well as poor economic conditions. Rather than creating an atmosphere of hostility, it is better to foster a culture of responsibility and encourage legal residency.
As has been the case throughout our history. And our borders have always been open for those coming in legally
re: #92 NJDhockeyfan
We have always welcomed anyone who wants to come here. All we ask is to get in line like everyone else. Why is that so difficult?
Here’s the problem.
The “line” is years and years long, due to slow processing and also quotas for various countries.
It is perhaps time for the gov’t to figure out how to shorten the process to a manageable level.
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sandbox Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:27:58am |
re: #91 Liberal Classic
How about placing signs at the Mexican border in Spanish telling those who cross without a visa that it is illegal to do so.
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:28:47am |
re: #92 NJDhockeyfan
We have always welcomed anyone who wants to come here. All we ask is to get in line like everyone else. Why is that so difficult?
Here’s one reason why:
A few items: legal immigration from Mexico is limited to about 26,000 people a year, not counting spouses or minor children of US citizens. Of these 26,000, most of the slots are reserved for other relatives. There is almost no chance any given Mexican can legally immigrate unless they are related to a legal resident. The quota for Mexicans is the same as for Somalis and Nepalese. In short, at present, there is no general immigration to the United States, and what little there is is apportioned without regard to things like geography, need or interest.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:28:50am |
re: #95 reine.de.tout
Here’s the problem.
The “line” is years and years long, due to slow processing and also quotas for various countries.
It is perhaps time for the gov’t to figure out how to shorten the process to a manageable level.
I agree, yet even though the process IS too long (imho) there are millions here LEGALLY on work and student visas, as well as those that are in the process of gaining citizenship
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:29:50am |
re: #95 reine.de.tout
Here’s the problem.
The “line” is years and years long, due to slow processing and also quotas for various countries.
It is perhaps time for the gov’t to figure out how to shorten the process to a manageable level.
“Patience is a virtue. ”
~William Langland
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:30:44am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:31:57am |
Yemen cleric: fight draft law banning child brides
SAN’A, Yemen — Yemen’s most influential Islamic cleric vowed on Saturday to gather a “million” signatures to protest a draft law banning child brides, in an increasingly vocal showdown against the country’s weak government which needs the support of powerful religious leaders to hold onto power.The issue of child brides in Yemen has attracted broad international attention, most recently when a 13-year-old girl bled to death earlier this month after her 23-year-old husband allegedly tied her down and forced her to have sex with him.
The cleric, Sheik Adbul-Majid al-Zindani, said a ban on child brides “threatens our culture and society and spreads immorality.” Al-Zindani is Yemen’s most powerful Islamic scholar and believed by the U.S. to be a spiritual mentor of Osama Bin Laden.
Speaking at a conference at Iman University in the Yemeni capital San’a, al-Zindani called on the dozens of radical clerics and Islamic law students in the crowd to opposed the draft law.
“You have to gather a million signatures … that supports the demands of clerics,” said al-Zindani. “If the issue calls on us to gather a million protesters, we’ll organize it,” al-Zindani said.
Al-Zindani’s calls against the ban have become increasingly strident ahead of an expected vote by Yemeni lawmakers next month on raising the marriage age to 17.
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Areozol Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:32:54am |
James Cameron: “Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are very dangerous to America”:
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:33:45am |
re: #98 sattv4u2
I agree, yet even though the process IS too long (imho) there are millions here LEGALLY on work and student visas, as well as those that are in the process of gaining citizenship
Having worked to obtain a work visa for a person, I can tell you that even that process is way too long - 12 to 18 months.
re: #99 NJDhockeyfan
“Patience is a virtue. ”
~William Langland
Not if your kid is starving.
Seriously - the poverty in Mexico is stunning, I’m sure you know.
What would I do in that situation? Try to find a better life. And even for those making less than the legal minimum wage, the pay is sufficient to provide a better life for their families than what the had back home. What does that tell you?
It’s a difficult and complicated situation, I agree. And honestly, none of our politicians, going back for years, has shown the slightest inclination to really try to fix it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:35:19am |
re: #88 Liberal Classic
I’ve bookmarked that one. That way if I see you post the classic liberal phrase “We’re not better than anyone else!” I can call you on it.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:37:07am |
re: #103 reine.de.tout
“Patience is a virtue. ”
~William Langland
Not if your kid is starving.
Seriously - the poverty in Mexico is stunning, I’m sure you know.
What would I do in that situation? Try to find a better life. And even for those making less than the legal minimum wage, the pay is sufficient to provide a better life for their families than what the had back home. What does that tell you?It’s a difficult and complicated situation, I agree. And honestly, none of our politicians, going back for years, has shown the slightest inclination to really try to fix it.
I feel bad for thore poor folks in Mexico. The problem is there is poverty all over the world and we can just take everyone in that wants in. There are limits to how many immigrants this country can handle.
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:37:41am |
I’m not trying to trap anyone with their own words. I actually think we need both an easier immigration policy (the typical liberal answer) and better border security (typically the conservative answer) both at the same time .
If it were relatively easy to get work permits at the ports of entry, then most ordinary people would come in at the border crossings and get their pictures taken, fingerprints, etc. There’s no reason to risk a dangerous desert crossing if such a thing is unnecessary. We also need to streamline the path to legal residency to encourage people to come aboveboard.
Physical barriers and border patrols are also important. They serve to funnel people to ports of entry, such that if you find someone tunneling under the border you can drop a grenade down there with a free conscience. Border security is important. The human trafficking/smuggling problem is also a national security problem, for obvious reasons.
Congress has really been derelict in their duties, IMO. I feel the Democrats are likely to push for amnesty or increased quotas, but really we need both the liberal and conservative answers to the problem at the same time. I don’t know if this makes me a moderate on the issue or what.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:39:11am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:41:01am |
re: #105 NJDhockeyfan
I feel bad for thore poor folks in Mexico. The problem is there is poverty all over the world and we can just take everyone in that wants in. There are limits to how many immigrants this country can handle.
Agreed.
But those who are here are already “absorbed” into the economy.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the folks in Arizona passed that utterly stupid law because they feel they are under seige from the criminal elements that are coming across the border. That’s the first thing that has to be stopped or dealt with, IMO. Other states will follow suit with their own laws if the federal gov’t doesn’t do something to get a handle on this.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:41:41am |
re: #102 Areozol
James Cameron: “Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are very dangerous to America”:
[Video]
Chris Matthews:
“I’m worried about the media because now we have a right wing media available”.
A rare moment of honesty on cable news.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:41:45am |
re: #106 Liberal Classic
I’m not trying to trap anyone with their own words. I actually think we need both an easier immigration policy (the typical liberal answer) and better border security (typically the conservative answer) both at the same time .
If it were relatively easy to get work permits at the ports of entry, then most ordinary people would come in at the border crossings and get their pictures taken, fingerprints, etc. There’s no reason to risk a dangerous desert crossing if such a thing is unnecessary. We also need to streamline the path to legal residency to encourage people to come aboveboard.
Physical barriers and border patrols are also important. They serve to funnel people to ports of entry, such that if you find someone tunneling under the border you can drop a grenade down there with a free conscience. Border security is important. The human trafficking/smuggling problem is also a national security problem, for obvious reasons.
Congress has really been derelict in their duties, IMO. I feel the Democrats are likely to push for amnesty or increased quotas, but really we need both the liberal and conservative answers to the problem at the same time. I don’t know if this makes me a moderate on the issue or what.
Quoted for common sense!
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:42:17am |
re: #104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’ve bookmarked that one. That way if I see you post the classic liberal phrase “We’re not better than anyone else!” I can call you on it.
Okay, but personally I’m not afraid of making the value judgment that we are better than countries like North Korea or Saudi Arabia.
<Jimmy>I mean, come on.</Jimmy>
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:42:45am |
re: #88 Liberal Classic
We’re better than all those countries, in part for the same reasons listed in the email.
I remember a hot debate a week ago whee liberals were vehemently denying American exceptionalism…curious, but “we’re bettter” probably means something different
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:43:04am |
re: #102 Areozol
James Cameron: “Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are very dangerous to America”:
[Video]
James Cameron, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are soulless panderers.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:45:02am |
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:45:45am |
re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
An illegal immigrants here?
My grandparents.
But I’m sure the statute of limitations is well past.
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:46:36am |
re: #112 albusteve
I remember a hot debate a week ago whee liberals were vehemently denying American exceptionalism…curious, but “we’re bettter” probably means something different
I’m not a typical liberal. I’m more like a hawkish libertarian. I think we are pretty exceptional. (Some of our allies are good places to live, too. Don’t get me wrong.)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:46:54am |
re: #108 reine.de.tout
Agreed.
But those who are here are already “absorbed” into the economy
hmm,, I’ll have to take issue with that, if you’re talking about ILLEGALS
Yes, they are already here and you can say they have been “absorbed”, but at what cost?
Thats why is #35 I put the onus on the person that hires an illegal. More often than not, they are being paid below standard wage, taking a job from a legal immigrant awaiting citizenship and/or a citizen. Also, most likely they are not paying the entire gamut of fed and state taxes (except for local sales taxes) yet at the same time having access to fed and state services
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:49:31am |
re: #117 sattv4u2
Agreed.
But those who are here are already “absorbed” into the economy
hmm,, I’ll have to take issue with that, if you’re talking about ILLEGALSYes, they are already here and you can say they have been “absorbed”, but at what cost?
Thats why is #35 I put the onus on the person that hires an illegal. More often than not, they are being paid below standard wage, taking a job from a legal immigrant awaiting citizenship and/or a citizen. Also, most likely they are not paying the entire gamut of fed and state taxes (except for local sales taxes) yet at the same time having access to fed and state services
I have no disagreement with what you say.
I actually think this is one of the reasons our politicians have no interest in doing anything to actually solve the problem - and I’m talking both parties here - there are business interests that like that cheap labor. Any effort to solve this results in a requirement that those employees be paid min wage, and there are some businesses that do not want that to happen.
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:49:37am |
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:50:25am |
Apologies if this was posted by someone yesterday:
Happy Meal toys could be banned in Santa Clara County
A county supervisor has created a stir with his proposal to bar the inclusion of toys in restaurant meals that contain high amounts of sugar, salt or certain fats.
latimes.com,0,6290206.story?page=1
The latest target in the battle over fast food is something you shouldn’t even put in your mouth.Convinced that Happy Meals and other food promotions aimed at children could make kids fat as well as happy, county officials in Silicon Valley are poised to outlaw the little toys that often come with high-calorie offerings.
The proposed ban is the latest in a growing string of efforts to change the types of foods aimed at youngsters and the way they are cooked and sold. Across the nation, cities, states and school boards have taken aim at excessive sugar, salt and certain types of fats.
I can’t imagine why people think california is full of lunatics.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:51:27am |
re: #116 Liberal Classic
… I’m more like a hawkish libertarian. …
Now you’ve done it, now you’re on a list somewhere…
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:51:53am |
re: #120 RogueOne
Apologies if this was posted by someone yesterday:
Happy Meal toys could be banned in Santa Clara County
A county supervisor has created a stir with his proposal to bar the inclusion of toys in restaurant meals that contain high amounts of sugar, salt or certain fats.
[Link: www.latimes.com…]Good to know they have all the other bigger problems in Santa Clara licked.
I can’t imagine why people think california is full of lunatics.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:54:03am |
re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
I got this in a recent email:
We call every one of those countries a totalitarian regime. Some of them we call rogue states. We object to their stance on human rights. Some of them we consider so vile we don’t even have diplomatic relations.
But by all means, let’s whine about why aren’t we more like them.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:54:05am |
re: #123 RogueOne
It’s for the children.
What I meant to say is that it is great all the big problems in Santa Clara have been licked and they can focus on Happy Meals.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:54:41am |
re: #120 RogueOne
Apologies if this was posted by someone yesterday:
Happy Meal toys could be banned in Santa Clara County
A county supervisor has created a stir with his proposal to bar the inclusion of toys in restaurant meals that contain high amounts of sugar, salt or certain fats.
[Link: www.latimes.com…]I can’t imagine why people think california is full of lunatics.
Convinced that Happy Meals and other food promotions aimed at children could make kids fat as well as happy, county officials in Silicon Valley are poised to outlaw the little toys that often come with high-calorie offerings.
When my daughter was young, she wanted to go to McDonalds and get a happy meal just for the toy.
She would eat maybe 2 small bites of the burger and 3 fries and that would be it.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 5:59:07am |
re: #126 reine.de.tout
When my daughter was young, she wanted to go to McDonalds and get a happy meal just for the toy.
She would eat maybe 2 small bites of the burger and 3 fries and that would be it.
She would have been better off nutritionally eating the toy!
/
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:01:10am |
Expect more “the anger is out-of-control and a threat to the democracy!” stories:
Poll shows anti-incumbency highest since ‘94
thehill.com
Voters’ current attitudes toward incumbents mirror those in two of the most recent sweeping election cycles, a new poll found Wednesday.Just 32 percent of registered voters said they want to reelect their own member of Congress, while 57 percent said they are inclined to evaluate another candidate.
Those attitudes toward incumbents are the lowest since 1994, when Republicans won 54 seats in the House and eight in the Senate, giving them control of both chambers only two years into President Bill Clinton’s first term.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:03:04am |
re: #128 RogueOne
Expect more “the anger is out-of-control and a threat to the democracy!” stories:
Poll shows anti-incumbency highest since ‘94
[Link: thehill.com…]
So, I don’t like the incumbent and want to vote someone new into office. That is anti-democracy!!!
Outrageous!!!
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:04:01am |
McDonald’s in Santa Clara county…
google.com;Santa+Clara+county+California&btnG=Google+Search
If they pass this idiotic law, I hope McDonald’s closes the doors and tells them to fuck off.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:04:39am |
re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar
And good morning honcos.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:06:26am |
re: #127 sattv4u2
She would have been better off nutritionally eating the toy!
/
Heh.
Maybe.
The problem isn’t the food.
The problem is that people feel obligated to eat it all! Instead of stopping when they’ve had enough. A full order of anything, at any restaurant, is always way too much for me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:07:55am |
re: #132 reine.de.tout
Heh.
Maybe.
The problem isn’t the food.
The problem is that people feel obligated to eat it all! Instead of stopping when they’ve had enough. A full order of anything, at any restaurant, is always way too much for me.
We should invent a box type thingy, made to take leftovers home!! We’ll be rich!!
///
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:08:17am |
re: #132 reine.de.tout
Heh.
Maybe.
The problem isn’t the food.
The problem is that people feel obligated to eat it all! Instead of stopping when they’ve had enough. A full order of anything, at any restaurant, is always way too much for me.
Forget who the comic was, but he did a routine about buffet restaurants
Punch line was “You’re not supposed to eat All You Can Eat”
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:08:33am |
I told people when the huartee idiot club was brought down that when dealing with fed prosecutions you should probably wait until all the information is in. Too many times over the last few decades the feds have played fast and loose with the law and this prosecution is already starting to smell:
FBI agent short on details on militia inquiry
toledoblade.com
DETROIT - An FBI agent who led the investigation of nine Michigan militia members charged with trying to launch war against the federal government couldn’t recall many details of the two-year probe yesterday during questioning by defense lawyers.Even the judge who must decide whether to release the nine until trial was puzzled.
“I share the frustrations of the defense team … that she doesn’t know anything,” U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts said after agent Leslie Larsen confessed she hadn’t reviewed her notes recently and couldn’t remember specific details of the case.
Oh, and “innocent until proven guilty” is the law of the land? Puh-lease:
Prosecutors fought to keep Ms. Larsen off the witness stand, saying the defendants had no legal right to question her.But the judge said the agent’s appearance was appropriate because the burden is on defense lawyers to show their clients won’t be a threat to the public if released.
The nine lawyers asked specific questions about each defendant. Ms. Larsen said she had not listened entirely to certain recordings made by an undercover agent who infiltrated the group.
She said that because they were still being examined, she didn’t know if weapons seized by investigators last month were illegal.
At other times, Ms. Larsen couldn’t answer questions because she said she hadn’t reviewed investigative reports.
Defense lawyer William Swor asked if the No. 1 defendant, Hutaree leader David Stone, had ever instructed anyone to make a bomb.
“I can’t fully answer that question,” the agent replied.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:10:53am |
re: #134 sattv4u2
Forget who the comic was, but he did a routine about buffet restaurants
Punch line was “You’re not supposed to eat All You Can Eat”
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer sues the all you can eat seafood place after they run out of food and he’s still hungry.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:15:18am |
How long before the MoonBats assemble the lynch mob !?!?!
Laura Bush has finally opened up publicly about the mysterious car accident she had when she was 17, a crash that claimed the life of a high school friend on a dark country road in Midland, Tex
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:17:23am |
Americans losing confidence in healthcare…
“I think it may have something to do with the reform legislation,” Pickens said in a telephone interview. “Getting legislation through hasn’t reassured Americans,” he added. “People are being unclear about what it means for them.”
stupid Americans, just don’t get it
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huddyofOz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:17:25am |
re: #132 reine.de.tout
The problem isn’t the food.
You bet…and the problem is not the toys. For every Happy Meal sold there is a parent bankrolling the purchase.
McDonalds will offer whatever the market will spend money on, and they will stop offering something the second the market stops purchasing it.
Here, their menu has shifted dramatically in the last few years.
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:18:11am |
re: #124 sagehen
We call every one of those countries a totalitarian regime. Some of them we call rogue states. We object to their stance on human rights. Some of them we consider so vile we don’t even have diplomatic relations.
But by all means, let’s whine about why aren’t we more like them.
I don’t like the direction Chavez is taking Venezuela, but I wouldn’t describe Venezuela as totalitarian or vile.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:19:14am |
re: #139 huddyofOz
You bet…and the problem is not the toys. For every Happy Meal sold there is a parent bankrolling the purchase.
McDonaldsANY FOR PROFIT COMPANY will offer whatever the market will spend money on, and they will stop offering something the second the market stops purchasing it.Here, their menu has shifted dramatically in the last few years.
ftfy
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:19:42am |
Reproductive Rights roundup:
I know we had a post on the ultrasound measure, but I hope this was mentioned too:
A second measure passed into law on Tuesday prevents women who have had a disabled baby from suing a doctor for withholding information about birth defects while the child was in the womb.
Got that? So in OK, you’re forced to undergo an ultrasound in which the doctor or technician reads from a script, pointing out the fetus’ arms and legs, — even in cases of rape and incest.
AND, for ALL pregnant women, your doctor can ‘forget’ to tell you if the fetus is so horribly deformed that it will die an hour or so after delivery— and if that happens, you can’t sue your doctor for imposing his pro-life convictions on you (withholding information that could lead you to seek an abortion).
In other RR news, let’s see what else AZ is up to:
Arizona Becomes First State To Officially Limit Abortion Coverage In Health Insurance Exchanges
On Saturday, “at the Center for Arizona Policy Family dinner before 1600 guests,” Brewer signed SB 1305, the first-in-the nation bill that would prohibit insurers in the state-run health care exchange “from providing coverage for abortions unless the coverage is offered as a separate optional rider for which an additional insurance premium is charged.”
The new Arizona law is a radical mini Stupak. It prevents insurers from offering abortion services, except under the most extreme circumstances, even if only private money were used to pay for those services. Most if not all women in the exchange would only be able to purchase coverage through an impractical, separate abortion “rider” or leave the exchange entirely and find coverage in the shrinking individual health insurance market. Since it’s unlikely that many insurers will offer abortion riders or that women will purchase them in anticipation of needing an abortion — in fact, “in the five states where abortion riders are currently required, no insurance company offers them” — the Arizona law will severely disadvantage poorer women who would likely have to pay out of pocket for abortion services.
Fucking wingnuts— how do they work?
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:22:21am |
from Am Thinker
It is comforting to know Al Sharpton’s coif goes well with Arpaio provided pink underwear. The Right Reverend Sharpton has expressed plans to descend on the streets of Arizona to protest Governor Jan Brewer’s new immigration bill. Sharpton appears eager to join Lillian Rodriguez Lopez of New York City’s Hispanic Federation, as well as other activists fighting the Arizona law, by participating in acts of civil disobedience.
In response, Al is primed and pumped to disobey civil law, which is loosely defined as”an effort to induce change in policy or legislation, through passive resistance or other nonviolent means.” Does Sharpton really believe defending those who live outside the law exposes true racial injustice?
go get em Al…those racist AZ Nazis are going down
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:22:23am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:24:41am |
re: #143 albusteve
go get em Al…those racist AZ Nazis are going down
As long as the protest signs have proper spelling !!
//
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:25:19am |
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:25:28am |
re: #140 Liberal Classic
I don’t like the direction Chavez is taking Venezuela, but I wouldn’t describe Venezuela as totalitarian or vile.
…yet
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:27:12am |
re: #142 iceweasel
I was right there with you until the “fucking wingnuts” part. Haven’t seen you in forever but now I have to run.
See ya folks, enjoy your day.
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:27:58am |
re: #137 sattv4u2
How long before the MoonBats assemble the lynch mob !?!?!
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Laura Bush has finally opened up publicly about the mysterious car accident she had when she was 17, a crash that claimed the life of a high school friend on a dark country road in Midland, Tex
I read that article earlier, Yahoo has it as one of their top linked stories.
Take the time to read the reader comments…. whacked-out crazy.
Classy.
Wonder if any of them had an opinion of a certain past Senator and his auto “accident”…
Phft.
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:28:15am |
Area law professor says Arizona law he helped write will stand legal challenges:fox4kc.com,0,4555535.story
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:29:02am |
re: #142 iceweasel
“from providing coverage for abortions unless the coverage is offered as a separate optional rider for which an additional insurance premium is charged.”
Serious question ( and I am in no way, shape or form anti abortion)
BUT ,, why should abortions be covered (and a premium added) on my health coverage when A) my wife has had a hysterectomy and B) I have had a vasectomy?
(btw,, the latter preceded the former)
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:29:04am |
re: #146 albusteve
they want the state out of the abortion business…an idea worth considering
No, they don’t. They want to limit women’s access to abortion by any means necessary. Since that isn’t going to happen on the federal level, (Roe v Wade is here to stay) they try to roll it back at the state level.
Perhaps those fearless defenders of our rights to eat as much salt as we want in processed foods would care to take a look at the actual attempts to control bodies going on?— of course, we’re ‘only’ talking about female bodies here. So there’s that.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:29:34am |
re: #149 Ericus58
I read that article earlier, Yahoo has it as one of their top linked stories.
Take the time to read the reader comments… whacked-out crazy.
Classy.
Wonder if any of them had an opinion of a certain past Senator and his auto “accident”…
Phft.
I don’t have the stomach for it today
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:30:41am |
re: #147 rwdflynavy
Let’s be realistic. North Korea didn’t get where it is today overnight. Neither did Cuba.
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:31:20am |
re: #140 Liberal Classic
I don’t like the direction Chavez is taking Venezuela, but I wouldn’t describe Venezuela as totalitarian or vile.
I’m Curious.
How would you describe Venezuela then?
Given the restrictions on press, speech, ownership, establishing a private army that pledges allegiance to Hugo personally?
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:31:48am |
re: #151 sattv4u2
“from providing coverage for abortions unless the coverage is offered as a separate optional rider for which an additional insurance premium is charged.”Serious question ( and I am in no way, shape or form anti abortion)
BUT ,, why should abortions be covered (and a premium added) on my health coverage when A) my wife has had a hysterectomy and B) I have had a vasectomy?
(btw,, the latter preceded the former)
For the same reason my health care helps to cover your respiratory illness or tonsilectomy, even though I’ve had my tonsils out.
Similarly, I have to bear the cost of prostate exams even though I’m female, and you have to bear the cost of pap smears.
And you and your wife also have to bear the cost of childbirth for others, C-sections, and birth control, even though you personally won’t be using those services.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:32:41am |
I’m a chump because now that I may someday take something personally from the company after many decades, I will be penalized. As a reward for providing many thousands of jobs, the administration will make it continually more onerous. As a thank-you for building value slowly in bricks and mortar, the federal government will substantially increase its take if I sell anything, and it wants to take a sick and wrong 45 percent when we die, which will make some big company ecstatic because it will be able to buy us, probably on the cheap. I am a chump because the public entitlements we have paid into all these years will be means-tested away because all those risks we took happened to be more right than wrong.
people are pissed
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:34:12am |
re: #156 iceweasel
For the same reason my health care helps to cover your respiratory illness or tonsilectomy, even though I’ve had my tonsils out.
Similarly, I have to bear the cost of prostate exams even though I’m female, and you have to bear the cost of pap smears.
And you and your wife also have to bear the cost of childbirth for others, C-sections, and birth control, even though you personally won’t be using those services.
Thats my point. The hue and cry is over the cost of health care. I don;’t want/need your policy to cover my prostate exam, nor do I want to pay for your pap smear. Take out all those and all our prices go down (and yes, I understand the “pool” concept of insurance, but there are more than enough males in the pool to cover the prostate exams etc)
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:35:08am |
re: #152 iceweasel
No, they don’t. They want to limit women’s access to abortion by any means necessary. Since that isn’t going to happen on the federal level, (Roe v Wade is here to stay) they try to roll it back at the state level.
Perhaps those fearless defenders of our rights to eat as much salt as we want in processed foods would care to take a look at the actual attempts to control bodies going on?— of course, we’re ‘only’ talking about female bodies here. So there’s that.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle…abortion as a birth control device is at the center….imo
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:35:24am |
re: #158 sattv4u2
Thats my point. The hue and cry is over the cost of health care. I don;’t want/need your policy to cover my prostate exam, nor do I want to pay for your pap smear. Take out all those and all our prices go down (and yes, I understand the “pool” concept of insurance, but there are more than enough males in the pool to cover the prostate exams etc)
Bollocks.
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:36:17am |
re: #95 reine.de.tout
We should all connect the dots-reducing illegal immigration from countries with the big backlog or the big demand allows us to have a larger quota, speeding up the process, and have a better employment rate.
One more thing-none of this changes whilst some foolish legislature puts up some really stupid law, and the advocates freak out accordingly.
Laws & legislators come and go, the border, and its issues remain.
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SteveMcGazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:36:26am |
I was loking through the text of the new AZ immigration law and a couple of things struck me. I didn’t see anything at all about a non-traffic stop situation, like walking up to a gardener and asking for some documentation. (Maybe I missed it?) Early in the text, it reads: “A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).” So which is it, make a reasonable attempt, or don’t make a reasonable attempt and instead verify by whatever means necessary?
The stuff about traffic stops reads: “NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP
21 ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS REASONABLE
22 SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND
23 THIS SECTION”.
“AND”? That doesn’t make any sense, it would seem unlikely that the officer could know the driver was violating the section before the stop. Later, it makes it illeagal to stop to pick up employees (legal or illegal) in a place where it’s illegal to stop your vehicle, vehicle operators are responsible for the status of their passengers (watch out cabbies). I guess that’s the part that many church groups are objecting to. The last ten pages are stuff about employers and their punishmnents. Once agian, I didn’t see anything about non-traffic stops, and even the traffic stop stuff seems confusing
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:38:13am |
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:38:17am |
re: #148 RogueOne
I was right there with you until the “fucking wingnuts” part. Haven’t seen you in forever but now I have to run.
See ya folks, enjoy your day.
Not liking abortion doesn’t make someone a wingnut— those laws, however, are wingnuttery.
Ciao for now, — catch you soon I hope!
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:38:25am |
re: #155 Ericus58
I’m Curious.
How would you describe Venezuela then?
Given the restrictions on press, speech, ownership, establishing a private army that pledges allegiance to Hugo personally?
The situation in Venezuela is not good. Chavez has neutralized the judicary, gagged the press, and polarized the country. It’s easy to read about political repression in Venezuela. Sources are ample, as I’m sure you’d agree. However, ‘totalitarian’ is just too strong a word.
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:39:21am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
I FEH your BULLOCKS
And on that note, the long drive home awaits
Meh on your feh. ;)
Seriously, you can’t exclude matters of reproductive health from health care.
Have a safe drive.
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:40:46am |
re: #158 sattv4u2
Thats my point. The hue and cry is over the cost of health care. I don;’t want/need your policy to cover my prostate exam, nor do I want to pay for your pap smear. Take out all those and all our prices go down (and yes, I understand the “pool” concept of insurance, but there are more than enough males in the pool to cover the prostate exams etc)
I don’t want my tax money to support roads, I take the train. I don’t want my tax money to support schools, I’m already out of school. I don’t want my tax money to support fire stations, my house is made of stone.
Stupid.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:41:58am |
re: #162 SteveMcG
I was loking through the text of the new AZ immigration law and a couple of things struck me. I didn’t see anything at all about a non-traffic stop situation, like walking up to a gardener and asking for some documentation. (Maybe I missed it?) Early in the text, it reads: “A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).” So which is it, make a reasonable attempt, or don’t make a reasonable attempt and instead verify by whatever means necessary?
The stuff about traffic stops reads: “NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP
21 ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS REASONABLE
22 SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND
23 THIS SECTION”.
“AND”? That doesn’t make any sense, it would seem unlikely that the officer could know the driver was violating the section before the stop. Later, it makes it illeagal to stop to pick up employees (legal or illegal) in a place where it’s illegal to stop your vehicle, vehicle operators are responsible for the status of their passengers (watch out cabbies). I guess that’s the part that many church groups are objecting to. The last ten pages are stuff about employers and their punishmnents. Once agian, I didn’t see anything about non-traffic stops, and even the traffic stop stuff seems confusing
I get a kick out of reading the screeching, fear posts…we will just have to see where this all goes…but since it’s been argued that America is no better than other countries, maybe it’s time to treat illegals in the general manner of other countries
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:42:52am |
re: #165 Liberal Classic
The situation in Venezuela is not good. Chavez has neutralized the judicary, gagged the press, and polarized the country. It’s easy to read about political repression in Venezuela. Sources are ample, as I’m sure you’d agree. However, ‘totalitarian’ is just too strong a word.
Then we disagree, I think the word does fit the current and future situation for Venezuela.
What other word for the form of Government currently in power there applies better?
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:43:35am |
re: #167 Locker
I don’t want my tax money to support roads, I take the train. I don’t want my tax money to support schools, I’m already out of school. I don’t want my tax money to support fire stations, my house is made of stone.
Stupid.
how will the HCR bill break even or reduce costs?
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:44:11am |
re: #168 albusteve
I get a kick out of reading the screeching, fear posts…we will just have to see where this all goes…but since it’s been argued that America is no better than other countries, maybe it’s time to treat illegals in the general manner of other countries
I agree, the text of that law is definitely screeching with fear. That is what he posted, after all.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:44:24am |
re: #167 Locker
I don’t want my tax money to support roads, I take the train. I don’t want my tax money to support schools, I’m already out of school. I don’t want my tax money to support fire stations, my house is made of stone.
Stupid.
Waytomissthepoint
I wasn’t talking about taxes or public funded assistance. My question went directly to private health care insurance
But thanks for playing
And for the name calling
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:44:39am |
re: #170 albusteve
how will the HCR bill break even or reduce costs?
how will the HCR bill not break even or increase costs?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:46:21am |
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Locker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:46:54am |
re: #172 sattv4u2
Waytomissthepoint
I wasn’t talking about taxes or public funded assistance. My question went directly to private health care insurance
But thanks for playing
And for the name calling
You are crying about your pooled money being used for something you don’t approve of and my example is completely relevant. You can pretend all you like but it’s transparent.
I also feel severely guilty for calling your concept stupid, even though it is stupid.
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:49:16am |
re: #169 Ericus58
Then we disagree, I think the word does fit the current and future situation for Venezuela.
What other word for the form of Government currently in power there applies better?
Let’s just agree to disagree. We’re not arguing that conditions in Venezuela aren’t regrettable, we’re arguing over the definition of ‘totalitarian’. IMO North Korea is totalitarian, Iran is theocratic, and Cuba is communistic. Chavez is following the Cuba model.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:53:10am |
re: #175 Locker
You are crying about your pooled money being used for something you don’t approve of and my example is completely relevant. You can pretend all you like but it’s transparent.
I also feel severely guilty for calling your concept stupid, even though it is stupid.
Where was I “crying”? I asked a question
And no, your example is NOT relevent in that you brought up where public funds are spent while I am talking about private. You do know there is a difference between kicking in for the public good and purchasing something for private use, don’t you?
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SteveMcGazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:53:49am |
I’m not a lawyer, but I think the phrase “Lawful contact” that appears in the beginning regarding peace officers has a connotation different from you and me. I believe lawful contact in this context means that there is a probable cause for that contact. For example, if a policeman observes a person doing something in plain sight, whether it’s a robbery, selling drugs, etc, he may act. He may not just walk up to you and frisk you for drugs or other contraband. I think the same still holds in AZ. By this “lawful contact” language, I think it means that the officer must have a lawful reason to ask for your id.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:56:34am |
re: #176 iceweasel
Jimmah’s awake!
Back later, perhaps. Have fun!
Now that he’s awake, we could say the same to you !!
//
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jvic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:58:24am |
Which costs should be distributed throughout the polity, and which costs should be restricted to subgroups and individuals? I don’t perceive that as a simple question, no matter what special cases or idealized situations I’m shown.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:59:09am |
re: #179 SteveMcG
I’m not a lawyer, but I think the phrase “Lawful contact” that appears in the beginning regarding peace officers has a connotation different from you and me. I believe lawful contact in this context means that there is a probable cause for that contact. For example, if a policeman observes a person doing something in plain sight, whether it’s a robbery, selling drugs, etc, he may act. He may not just walk up to you and frisk you for drugs or other contraband. I think the same still holds in AZ. By this “lawful contact” language, I think it means that the officer must have a lawful reason to ask for your id.
That was my understanding as well. But it’s still extremely vague and extremely clumsy, and good luck with any sort of rapprochement between the police and the immigrant communities.
It’s just bad legislation.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:59:31am |
re: #179 SteveMcG
That’s exactly why that language was used. It was meant to dispel the notion that the cops could simply pull someone over to look for status documents. It basically would require someone to be stopped for other reasons and then check if there’s reasonable cause.
It’s the kind of wording used elsewhere in the country for a variety of purposes - such as limiting cops from pulling people over for talking on cellphones or seat belt violations unless they were pulled over for other infractions like speeding.
The language is meant to dispel the notion that the law would be unconstitutional as applied - that it would be used to profile, and even legal experts seem to think that it might withstand a legal challenge. I still think it might fail on the grounds that it would be unconstitutional as applied or because of federal supremacy.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 6:59:42am |
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:00:27am |
re: #173 Locker
how will the HCR bill not break even or increase costs?
in other words, you do not know…me either
and you’d have to point out the screeching fear part of the AZ bill to me….what exactly are you afraid of?
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SteveMcGazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:00:38am |
I don’t know if there are any lawyers out there, but can AZ pass sentence for violating federal law? There was a section in there about punishments for violating federal immigration law.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:00:57am |
re: #179 SteveMcG
I believe lawful contact in this context means that there is a probable cause for that contact. For example, if a policeman observes a person doing something in plain sight, whether it’s a robbery, selling drugs, etc, he may act. He may not just walk up to you and frisk you for drugs or other contraband. I think the same still holds in AZ. By this “lawful contact” language, I think it means that the officer must have a lawful reason to ask for your id.
Or if you’re mugged and beaten and want to report the crime, you’re expected to identify yourself. So I guess it’s open season on illegal immigrants; break their arms and steal their paychecks and they won’t dare turn you in.
Or if you’re a witness to a crime, they want to know who you are and where they can find you when it’s time to testify. So never mind that a couple of illegal immigrants saw who shot your wife, they don’t dare speak to an officer and give a description of the killer and his car.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:02:15am |
re: #186 MandyManners
Mandy - a Pumpkins fan?? good for you-
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:03:15am |
re: #188 sagehen
Or if you’re mugged and beaten and want to report the crime, you’re expected to identify yourself. So I guess it’s open season on illegal immigrants; break their arms and steal their paychecks and they won’t dare turn you in.
Or if you’re a witness to a crime, they want to know who you are and where they can find you when it’s time to testify. So never mind that a couple of illegal immigrants saw who shot your wife, they don’t dare speak to an officer and give a description of the killer and his car.
life can get complicated when you live in a country illegally eh?
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:04:09am |
Don’t mess with Texans, even the governor
AUSTIN, Texas — Pistol-packing Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a message for wily coyotes out there: Don’t mess with my dog.
Perry told The Associated Press on Tuesday he needed just one shot from the laser-sighted pistol he sometimes carries while jogging to take down a coyote that menaced his puppy during a February run near Austin.
Perry said he will carry his .380 Ruger - loaded with hollow-point bullets - when jogging on trails because he is afraid of snakes. He’d also seen coyotes in the undeveloped area.
…
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:06:34am |
re: #182 Aceofwhat?
It is bad legislation from a policy perspective, but its authors included a severability clause to permit the operation of any part of the bill if any other part is struck down as unconstitutional. So, if one part of the bill is deemed unconstitutional, other portions would survive and be operable.
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SteveMcGazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:06:57am |
re: #188 sagehen
I have no doubt about those implications. The law actually makes it easier to abuse illegals too, because prosecution will be much more difficult. I had heard about the wedge this can drive between police and citizens. Now, even if an illegal witnesses a murder, if he reports it, he is likely to be deported. So why snitch? Besides, the defense will just say the witness is a criminal and is just testifying to get a deal to stay in the states. My original scope was the about the implication of the “let me see your papers” meme.
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jvic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:07:00am |
re: #157 albusteve
I’m a chump because now that I may someday take something personally from the company after many decades, I will be penalized. As a reward for providing many thousands of jobs, the administration will make it continually more onerous. As a thank-you for building value slowly in bricks and mortar, the federal government will substantially increase its take if I sell anything, and it wants to take a sick and wrong 45 percent when we die, which will make some big company ecstatic because it will be able to buy us, probably on the cheap. I am a chump because the public entitlements we have paid into all these years will be means-tested away because all those risks we took happened to be more right than wrong.people are pissed
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]
The author’s company’s site is here. IMHO he should have mentioned that Sarbanes-Oxley compliance costs prevent him from going public as a microcap.
My mantra is that our problems are systemic, not due to a single one of the major parties. I don’t believe that the President who signed Sarbox was a friend of the small entrepreneur.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:07:29am |
re: #191 cliffster
because he’s afraid of SNAKES??
oh, Rick…hike up your petticoat and mind your mascara…aaaiiieee!
i get carrying to ward off the coyotes. but carrying to ward off snakes? sheesh. if you’re close enough to get bitten, it’ll happen before you can even begin to move your hand towards the Ruger. if you’re not close enough to get bitten, leave the damn snake alone!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:08:17am |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
because he’s afraid of SNAKES??
oh, Rick…hike up your petticoat and mind your mascara…aaaiiieee!
i get carrying to ward off the coyotes. but carrying to ward off snakes? sheesh. if you’re close enough to get bitten, it’ll happen before you can even begin to move your hand towards the Ruger. if you’re not close enough to get bitten, leave the damn snake alone!
Or buy a treadmill…
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:08:27am |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
because he’s afraid of SNAKES??
oh, Rick…hike up your petticoat and mind your mascara…aaaiiieee!
i get carrying to ward off the coyotes. but carrying to ward off snakes? sheesh. if you’re close enough to get bitten, it’ll happen before you can even begin to move your hand towards the Ruger. if you’re not close enough to get bitten, leave the damn snake alone!
“I never go duck hunting without my mutated anthrax strain!”
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:08:51am |
re: #190 albusteve
life can get complicated when you live in a country illegally eh?
For people in poor hispanic communities to be reticent to interact with police affects citizens and legal residents as well as illegal immigrants. If people don’t trust the police, then we’re already at a disadvantage maintaining law and order.
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Liberal Classic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:10:09am |
re: #186 MandyManners
Downdinged because I *really* hate the Smashing Pumpkins.
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SteveMcGazi Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:10:10am |
It’s hard enough to get legal citizens to trust the police.
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:10:20am |
re: #191 cliffster
Drive through the countryside and see the coyote “scalps” hung along the barbed wire fences to get the picture. As for snakes, .22 rat shot does the trick.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:10:37am |
re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or buy a treadmill…
eh. i hate running (i need a ball to chase), but i understand it’s more fun to run in the wild than on a hamstermill.
kevlar socks. this is the 21st century, after all…
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:12:10am |
re: #202 badger1970
Drive through the countryside and see the coyote “scalps” hung along the barbed wire fences to get the picture. As for snakes, .22 rat shot does the trick.
do they still hold that asinine rattlesnake roundup each year? i hate that thing.
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:13:21am |
re: #204 Aceofwhat?
Various towns. This coming weekend, my little hicksville is hosting their little roundup during “Zest Fest”.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:13:46am |
re: #204 Aceofwhat?
do they still hold that asinine rattlesnake roundup each year? i hate that thing.
You missed it, dang it!!
claxtonevanschamber.com
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:17:01am |
A rattlesnake lives somewhere on my property. Seen it a couple of times now. First time, hubby got a pitch fork and moved it back to the pond.
The thing is extremely rare and on the endangered list so there is no way I’m gonna off it.
I’m just more careful and make sure I wear boots when I walk in the long grass and don’t stick my hands into places I can’t see before checking.
It’s not that big a deal.
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:17:11am |
Reneging on commitments has consequences.
Since Obama decided that several agreements made between Sharon and Bush no longer apply to US policy, the Israeli government has decided that Israel no longer has to uphold its end of the bargain.
Despite a 2002 road map commitment and years of pledges by successive prime ministers including Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel has no intention in the foreseeable future of dismantling any of 23 unauthorized West Bank outposts built after March 2001, The Jerusalem Post has learned.In part, this is because the promise to dismantle the outposts was made in the framework of wider understandings with the Bush administration that provided for continued home-building at settlements Israel is likely to retain under a permanent accord with the Palestinians. Since, under the Obama administration, those wider understandings gave way to a demand, accepted by Netanyahu in November, for a moratorium on all new home-building throughout the settlements, the Post was told by one senior official, Israel no longer regards itself as having to go through with the outpost demolitions on the basis of that pledge to the US.
The official’s comments confirm a remark made to the Post during an Independence Day interview with Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya’alon. Ya’alon recalled that Netanyahu, soon after becoming prime minister, reiterated the promise previously made by prime ministers Sharon and Olmert to demolish the 23 hilltop communities, which are peppered all over the West Bank.
“He [Netanyahu] said we accept our commitment regarding dismantling 23 outposts that were defined by the Sharon government as illegal,” said Ya’alon.
But that changed, Ya’alon said, after a dispute broke out with the Obama administration regarding the significance and validity of Sharon’s understandings with the Bush administration about settlement growth.
“He [Netanyahu] accepted that [commitment to demolish the outposts], until it became clear that the US administration does not accept the commitments of the previous administrations.”
Which is not to say these outposts are out of the woods. The main difference now is a case-by-case legal consideration will be made, as opposed to blanketing them all with the political decision to have them removed.
I don’t know enough (anything, really) about these outposts, to be able to make an independent choice about their legality/morality. But I’m glad it’s come out that there are consequences to the way Obama, last year, denied the existence of any agreements between Bush and Sharon.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:17:43am |
re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar
You missed it, dang it!!
[Link: www.claxtonevanschamber.com…]
i’m from a family of hunters, i fully support responsible hunting, but i also love wildlife. this is just all kinds of unnecessary.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:18:08am |
re: #193 SteveMcG
Besides, the defense will just say the witness is a criminal and is just testifying to get a deal to stay in the states.
That’s a really good point. I hadn’t thought of that nuance.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:18:48am |
The Tea Partiers do not incite violence; they are salt-of-the-earth middle Americans who are desperately worried about the misguided policies and wrongheaded vision being promoted by President Obama and his congressional allies. Contrast them with the younger, less educated, lower income, angry, racially motivated mob that turned out in Phoenix. The Tequila Party and gangsters like them represent the core and the pride of the liberal base. If an angry, shouting mob throwing bottles at police is the face of contemporary liberalism, it’s no wonder Americans are turning against them in droves.
whoops!
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:21:09am |
re: #211 albusteve
I’m always pretty leery of those articles that claim something happened no one else is reporting on, especially when they’re written with such an obviously labored bias.
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:22:17am |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
because he’s afraid of SNAKES??
oh, Rick…hike up your petticoat and mind your mascara…aaaiiieee!
i get carrying to ward off the coyotes. but carrying to ward off snakes? sheesh. if you’re close enough to get bitten, it’ll happen before you can even begin to move your hand towards the Ruger. if you’re not close enough to get bitten, leave the damn snake alone!
Son, you clearly never been close to a rattlesnake. If you was, you’d want to have your gun on ya.
I’d never carry a gun while I ran.. hard enough to get used to carrying a phone. But if I ever came by a coyote, I’d carry a gun from then on. One coyote, not a problem. But 20 of them and you’ve got bad times. And there’s usually closer to 20 than 1 at a time.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:22:42am |
re: #211 albusteve
You do realize that article says this, too, right:
The assumption that Tea Partiers are hate-filled bullies explains why major media outlets rushed out reports that demonstrators in Washington opposing the government health care takeover subjected black members of Congress to racial slurs and spat on them. The accusations were never proved, and substantial video evidence and eyewitness accounts suggest the events never happened. There was no press coverage, however, when supporters of illegal immigration used physical intimidation tactics and made threats of violence against demonstrators on the National Mall the same day.
So the author of that piece is one of those calling Rep. Lewis a liar. Nice.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:22:43am |
re: #210 Obdicut
That’s a really good point. I hadn’t thought of that nuance.
any half wit witness would sell what he knows for a deal of some sort…it’s not an issue imo
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charlz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:22:48am |
re: #211 albusteve
The Tequila Party and gangsters like them represent the core and the pride of the liberal base.
You really go for reasoned argument, eh Steve?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:23:06am |
Obama administration defies congressional subpoena on Fort Hood documents
The Obama administration said Tuesday it would provide more information to Congress about the Fort Hood shootings but continued to defy a subpoena request for witness statements and other documents.After days of negotiations, the Pentagon and Justice Department informed a Senate committee that they would not comply with congressional subpoenas to share investigative records from the Nov. 5 shootings at Fort Hood, Tex., which killed 13 people. The agencies said that divulging the material could jeopardize their prosecution of Army Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the accused gunman.
The Pentagon did budge in other areas, however, saying it had agreed to give the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs access to Hasan’s personnel file, as well as part of an Army report that scrutinized why superiors failed to intervene in Hasan’s career as an Army psychiatrist, despite signs of his religious radicalization and shortcomings as a soldier.
Leslie Phillips, a spokeswoman for the Senate committee, called the refusal by the Pentagon and the Justice Department to hand over all the requested material “an affront to Congress’s constitutional obligation to conduct independent oversight of the executive branch.”
Isn’t it against the law to defy a subpoena? I’m no law expert but I think I’m right. Lawhawk?
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:23:41am |
re: #210 Obdicut
That’s a really good point. I hadn’t thought of that nuance.
Any good defense attorney would look into the citizenship status of a witness, especially one with a hispanic surname.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:24:06am |
re: #213 cliffster
I used to be a camping guide in up Northern California. One way to make a real impression on people about safety was having them put out their sleeping bags before dusk, then lead them on a hike. Get back to the camp, and shake out a couple sleeping bags— eventually you’ll fling out a large, angry, surprised loop of rattler.
Made everyone very careful from then on.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:24:10am |
re: #214 Obdicut
You do realize that article says this, too, right:
So the author of that piece is one of those calling Rep. Lewis a liar. Nice.
C’mon, politicians don’t lie.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:24:48am |
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:25:16am |
re: #212 Obdicut
I’m always pretty leery of those articles that claim something happened no one else is reporting on, especially when they’re written with such an obviously labored bias.
I just post what I think is interesting….I have no opinion
maybe someone threw a bottle, or a cup, but the media reports what it wants to, they have their agenda
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:25:51am |
re: #213 cliffster
Son, you clearly never been close to a rattlesnake. If you was, you’d want to have your gun on ya.
No, i’ve been far from one!
I’m sure there’s an instance where one can find themselves close enough to be bitten but lucky enough that the snake hasn’t made the decision yet - a gun could be useful there.
Most of the time, though, a person is either far enough away that they can leave the snake in peace or already bitten.
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:26:09am |
re: #207 Jadespring
A rattlesnake lives somewhere on my property. Seen it a couple of times now. First time, hubby got a pitch fork and moved it back to the pond.
The thing is extremely rare and on the endangered list so there is no way I’m gonna off it.
I’m just more careful and make sure I wear boots when I walk in the long grass and don’t stick my hands into places I can’t see before checking.
It’s not that big a deal.
There’s no way rattlesnakes are endangered. I’ve seen like 5 within a mile of my house and I live in the city limits. Unless it’s like one species of rattlesnake.
Oh and not a big deal? Try getting bit by one ;) I’m certainly no proponent of going and randomly killing a bunch of them, but I’d much prefer they not be around me wherever I happen to be.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:26:27am |
re: #217 NJDhockeyfan
Obama administration defies congressional subpoena on Fort Hood documents
Isn’t it against the law to defy a subpoena? I’m no law expert but I think I’m right. Lawhawk?
Nah, didn’t Bush defy a bunch of them too?
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huddyofOz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:26:44am |
re: #219 Obdicut
I used to be a camping guide in up Northern California. One way to make a real impression on people about safety was having them put out their sleeping bags before dusk, then lead them on a hike. Get back to the camp, and shake out a couple sleeping bags— eventually you’ll fling out a large, angry, surprised loop of rattler.
Made everyone very careful from then on.
Ha! Lovely work, Sir/Ma’am!
Did you ever find them eating-size?
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:26:49am |
re: #216 charlz
You really go for reasoned argument, eh Steve?
I posted it…I gave no opinion one way or the other….you obviously didn’t notice that part
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:27:20am |
re: #224 cliffster
There’s no way rattlesnakes are endangered. I’ve seen like 5 within a mile of my house and I live in the city limits. Unless it’s like one species of rattlesnake.
Oh and not a big deal? Try getting bit by one ;) I’m certainly no proponent of going and randomly killing a bunch of them, but I’d much prefer they not be around me wherever I happen to be.
I believe Jadespring lives in Canada. They may be endangered up north. If so, we can send you a bunch, we have plenty!!
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:27:35am |
re: #224 cliffster
There’s no way rattlesnakes are endangered. I’ve seen like 5 within a mile of my house and I live in the city limits. Unless it’s like one species of rattlesnake.
Oh and not a big deal? Try getting bit by one ;) I’m certainly no proponent of going and randomly killing a bunch of them, but I’d much prefer they not be around me wherever I happen to be.
the timber and eastern diamondback are endangered off the top of my head. there may be more.
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:27:48am |
re: #213 cliffster
I took my daughter to an alpaca farm, she ran up to the “herd” in the pen when all of a sudden, two big furry newfoundland dogs who were in the pen got to the fence where she was standing, scared me, not her. Of course the reason for dogs were the coyotes.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:28:35am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh, plastic bottles. That’s a relief.
But yeah, that crowd is out of hand.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:29:16am |
re: #214 Obdicut
You do realize that article says this, too, right:
So the author of that piece is one of those calling Rep. Lewis a liar. Nice.
it appears so…didn’t Lewis blow off the incident as out of proportion?…I thought he said nobody actually spit on him…I could be wrong
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:29:45am |
re: #224 cliffster
The vets in the area make a mint out of rattlesnake bites to pets and cattle.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:29:49am |
re: #207 Jadespring
A rattlesnake lives somewhere on my property. Seen it a couple of times now. First time, hubby got a pitch fork and moved it back to the pond.
The thing is extremely rare and on the endangered list so there is no way I’m gonna off it.
I’m just more careful and make sure I wear boots when I walk in the long grass and don’t stick my hands into places I can’t see before checking.
It’s not that big a deal.
If you find it and kill it, try this…
Spicy Rattlesnake Pasta
1/4 cup olive oil
3 large garlic cloves, minced
1 28 oz can Italian tomatoes
1 dried hot red chilies, minced
1 tbsp. oregano
2 tsp. dried basil
2 tsp. black pepper
1 tsp. salt
juice from 1/2 lemon
1/2 lb. rattlesnake meat
1 lb penne or pasta of choice
Simmer rattlesnake in water and lemon juice for 1 hour, remove and separate meat from bones.
Combine de-boned meat with the rest of the ingredients (except pasta) in large saucepan and simmer for 1/2 hour.
Cook pasta as normal and serve over cooked pasta.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:29:55am |
re: #231 Obdicut
Oh, plastic bottles. That’s a relief.
But yeah, that crowd is out of hand.
A plastic water bottle that is full might leave a mark. And it won’t help your carbon footprint either!!:)
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laZardo Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:30:12am |
When I die, I wanna be buried in the sky like the Tibetans do.
Also, goodevening.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:30:30am |
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laZardo Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:30:49am |
re: #236 laZardo
When I die, I wanna be buried in the sky like the Tibetans do.
And yes, I know exactly what a ‘Tibetan sky burial’ is about. (;
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:31:30am |
re: #232 albusteve
it appears so…didn’t Lewis blow off the incident as out of proportion?…I thought he said nobody actually spit on him…I could be wrong
Yes, you’re wrong. And no, Lewis was actually quite reserved about the incident, basically saying that if they thought they could intimidate him with that weak-ass shit, they were morons. Given that he’s been beaten bloody by racists in civil rights marches in the past, I don’t think a little spit is going to do more than make him angry.
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:31:33am |
re: #223 Aceofwhat?
No, i’ve been far from one!
I’m sure there’s an instance where one can find themselves close enough to be bitten but lucky enough that the snake hasn’t made the decision yet - a gun could be useful there.
Most of the time, though, a person is either far enough away that they can leave the snake in peace or already bitten.
I was running with my dog a few years back and we were going kinda off trail. We were cruising along when she suddenly barked and made a turn to the right, then jerked back left again. I looked over and there was the biggest fucking rattlesnake I’ve ever seen. It had a great big bulge in the middle and was just kickin’ it in the sun. I feel bad for that rabbit (or deer, or whatever). But it was making the snake very groggy, otherwise I’d be now telling a story about how my dog got bit in the neck by a rattlesnake and man do I miss her.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:32:19am |
re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar
A plastic water bottle that is full might leave a mark. And it won’t help your carbon footprint either!!:)
They should only be throwing Nalgene reusable plastic bottles, they are better for our environment!
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:32:58am |
re: #225 Aceofwhat?
The White House could argue executive privilege. Not sure what the grounds would be for the Pentagon, unless they’re going to claim a national security privilege (though not sure that would apply to the Nidal case).
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:33:33am |
re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar
A plastic water bottle that is full might leave a mark. And it won’t help your carbon footprint either!!:)
A full plastic water bottle would most definitely leave a mark.
Interesting that actual video of the incident still results in the incident being played down by some.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:33:38am |
re: #241 rwdflynavy
They should only be throwing Nalgene reusable plastic bottles, they are better for our environment!
By reuseable, you mean they can be thrown more than once?
/
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charlz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:33:47am |
re: #227 albusteve
I posted it…I gave no opinion one way or the other…you obviously didn’t notice that part
I noticed that you obviously found it “interesting” enough to post on LGF, hence my comment.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:33:48am |
re: #242 lawhawk
Can congress generally subpoena evidence currently being used in criminal trials?
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jvic Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:33:53am |
re: #213 cliffster
I’d never carry a gun while I ran.. hard enough to get used to carrying a phone. But if I ever came by a coyote, I’d carry a gun from then on. One coyote, not a problem. But 20 of them and you’ve got bad times. And there’s usually closer to 20 than 1 at a time.
In this case, it took only two: Teenage folk singer Taylor Mitchell killed by coyotes.
I am happy to share my property with wildlife if they clearly understand who the dominant species is. I am ill disposed toward people who want to help erode that understanding.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:35:17am |
re: #245 charlz
I noticed that you obviously found it “interesting” enough to post on LGF, hence my comment.
Can’t someone find an article interesting without having an opinion?
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:35:24am |
I just heard a very sad radio interview on CBC with Ethan (McCord?), a US vet who was in the now infamous Iraq video in which the Black Hawk Helicopter took out some hostile Iraqis and then later shot up the civilian van with kids inside which arrived on the scene a few minutes after the first attack. He related that he first learned of the video a few weeks ago when he saw it by chance on the nightly news.
This infantryman was called to the site by the copter after the attack, nd he described the carnage firsthand, and also described how he rescued a little girl with a serious head wound from the van. He saw himself carrying the girl on the video.
He also described how he was subjected to derision (“get the sand out of your vagina”) and threats of negative reports on his record by his CO, when he asked for counselling after the incident.
He believed that the full-scale attack on the rescuer van was excessive, and that a warning shot should have been sufficient to stop the van from interfering.
He has apparently co-authored some kind of apology letter to the Iraqi people, which I’m sure will give aid and comfort to the enemy. He is now against the war in Iraq and now believes it is doing more harm than good.
Although he was only a low level soldier without policy expertise, the interview was poignant for the way he was able to convey some of the horrors of the reality of war.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:35:30am |
re: #237 Obdicut
Plenty, but why eat rattler when there’s wild boar?
[Link: www.dfg.ca.gov…]
I love wild pig.
Heh. there was a discovery or NatGeo special on a few weeks ago about the exploding wild pig population in the south. they can’t hunt them fast enough…
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Areozol Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:35:43am |
re: #113 rwdflynavy
James Cameron, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are soulless panderers.
Dude, Cameron is at least pro-science, and is contributing to deep sea and space exploration, meanwhile Glenn Beck is just a nutjob.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:36:42am |
re: #240 cliffster
I was running with my dog a few years back and we were going kinda off trail. We were cruising along when she suddenly barked and made a turn to the right, then jerked back left again. I looked over and there was the biggest fucking rattlesnake I’ve ever seen. It had a great big bulge in the middle and was just kickin’ it in the sun. I feel bad for that rabbit (or deer, or whatever). But it was making the snake very groggy, otherwise I’d be now telling a story about how my dog got bit in the neck by a rattlesnake and man do I miss her.
great story
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:36:50am |
re: #245 charlz
I noticed that you obviously found it “interesting” enough to post on LGF, hence my comment.
I post all kinds of stuff for people to look at if they want…there are no rules that I know of, except regarding the links themselves….so what exactly is your point? why is “interesting” in quote marks?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:37:11am |
re: #236 laZardo
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather… Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:38:29am |
re: #242 lawhawk
The White House could argue executive privilege. Not sure what the grounds would be for the Pentagon, unless they’re going to claim a national security privilege (though not sure that would apply to the Nidal case).
Fox News aside, i remember this sort of thing being covered slightly differently during the prior adiministration…”imperialism”, etc…
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:38:39am |
re: #250 Aceofwhat?
They are the smartest things in California. They’re so smart and have so much character that I kind of hated hunting ‘em. But they devastate the countryside, and they taste delicious.
My favorite wild boar hunting moment came when about three of us were walking along the road int he morning, looking for tracks. I heard the ghost of a whisper behind us, and looked around and a whole family of pigs was quietly trotting across the road behind us in nearly perfect silence.
I didn’t have the heart to tell the guys I was with to turn around.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:38:49am |
re: #208 Joo-LiZ
I’m glad it’s come out that there are consequences to the way Obama, last year, denied the existence of any agreements between Bush and Sharon.
Did he deny the existence of the agreements or just wipe his arrogant ass with them and toss them under the bus?
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:39:01am |
re: #247 jvic
In this case, it took only two: Teenage folk singer Taylor Mitchell killed by coyotes.
I am happy to share my property with wildlife if they clearly understand who the dominant species is. I am ill disposed toward people who want to help erode that understanding.
Word. Oh, and saying “one coyote is no problem” was just a little macho talk. I’d piss my pants if I got attacked by a coyote.
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:39:58am |
re: #224 cliffster
There’s no way rattlesnakes are endangered. I’ve seen like 5 within a mile of my house and I live in the city limits. Unless it’s like one species of rattlesnake.
Oh and not a big deal? Try getting bit by one ;) I’m certainly no proponent of going and randomly killing a bunch of them, but I’d much prefer they not be around me wherever I happen to be.
This one is endangered. It’s a Massasauga. There’s even recovery programs for it.
And yeah. I’ve been within six feet of the thing and really it isn’t a big deal if you know what you’re doing. Leave it alone, walk away or do what hubby did and move the thing. Other then that practice a few snake safety (no surprise technique) measures when working around the house and it isn’t a huge deal.
I live with tons o wildlife every day. A coyote highway runs through the back of my property. Right now I see them every couple of days sauntering through. Interestingly enough they’ll walk within 150 ft of my chickens running around free and do nothing. Raccoons, skunks, bears, deer, turkeys, fishers, weasels and so far about 30 different types of birds. I see and deal with them on a regular basis. My sundeck could be a wildlife viewing stand. I could sell tickets if I wanted. You just learn their behavior and do things accordingly and it becomes not a huge deal.
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tigger2005 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:39:58am |
Yep, things were better when there was no war in Iraq, and people were just being peacefully tortured and slaughtered by their tyrannical, dictatorial, but nevertheless wise and fair ruler and shoveled into mass graves.
The Iraqi government was warring daily on its own people, and some call that “peace.”
re: #249 Spare O’Lake
I just heard a very sad radio interview on CBC with Ethan (McCord?), a US vet who was in the now infamous Iraq video in which the Black Hawk Helicopter took out some hostile Iraqis and then later shot up the civilian van with kids inside which arrived on the scene a few minutes after the first attack. He related that he first learned of the video a few weeks ago when he saw it by chance on the nightly news.
This infantryman was called to the site by the copter after the attack, nd he described the carnage firsthand, and also described how he rescued a little girl with a serious head wound from the van. He saw himself carrying the girl on the video.
He also described how he was subjected to derision (“get the sand out of your vagina”) and threats of negative reports on his record by his CO, when he asked for counselling after the incident.He believed that the full-scale attack on the rescuer van was excessive, and that a warning shot should have been sufficient to stop the van from interfering.
He has apparently co-authored some kind of apology letter to the Iraqi people, which I’m sure will give aid and comfort to the enemy. He is now against the war in Iraq and now believes it is doing more harm than good.
Although he was only a low level soldier without policy expertise, the interview was poignant for the way he was able to convey some of the horrors of the reality of war.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:40:43am |
re: #237 Obdicut
Plenty, but why eat rattler when there’s wild boar?
[Link: www.dfg.ca.gov…]
I love wild pig.
Don’t tell Mandy that.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:40:54am |
re: #258 cliffster
The used to take down cows in Connecticut, when I lived there. I’d find skeletons of ‘em out in the woods, and once I saw a coyote pack hunting. Gorgeous, so alert and alive.
My brother is an animal wildlife biologist who studies wolf/coyote hybrid populations.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:42:51am |
re: #258 cliffster
Word. Oh, and saying “one coyote is no problem” was just a little macho talk. I’d piss my pants if I got attacked by a coyote.
you don’t defend yourself, you attack with as much aggression as you can muster…like a bar brawl, you have to go in big…I seriously doubt two of them could kill me, even tho I don’t need to find out
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charlz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:43:28am |
re: #253 albusteve
why is “interesting” in quote marks?
I was quoting you from #222: “I just post what I think is interesting”
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:43:36am |
re: #262 Obdicut
The used to take down cows in Connecticut, when I lived there. I’d find skeletons of ‘em out in the woods, and once I saw a coyote pack hunting. Gorgeous, so alert and alive.
My brother is an animal wildlife biologist who studies wolf/coyote hybrid populations.
You have a very interesting family
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:44:00am |
re: #211 albusteve
The Tea Partiers do not incite violence; they are salt-of-the-earth middle Americans who are desperately worried about the misguided policies and wrongheaded vision being promoted by President Obama and his congressional allies. Contrast them with the younger, less educated, lower income, angry, racially motivated mob that turned out in Phoenix. The Tequila Party and gangsters like them represent the core and the pride of the liberal base.
“Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans?”
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:45:05am |
Host of NPR’s “The Splendid Table” Lynne Rossetto Kasper explains the political philosophy of Ayn Rand.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:45:08am |
re: #266 sagehen
“Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans?”
interesting…that was different
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:46:54am |
re: #265 cliffster
My other brother just spent the past year and a half traveling through Central and South America on a total budget of around $8000, with his wonderful wife.
Here’s their blog, for anyone who’s interested: he’s an absolutely amazing photographer.
And he’s my half-brother, if anyone wonders why we don’t look more alike.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:47:19am |
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:48:17am |
re: #262 Obdicut
The used to take down cows in Connecticut, when I lived there. I’d find skeletons of ‘em out in the woods, and once I saw a coyote pack hunting. Gorgeous, so alert and alive.
My brother is an animal wildlife biologist who studies wolf/coyote hybrid populations.
There’s one coyote that we see all the time that’s huge. Thought it was a small wolf at first. I went to talk about coyotes and the woman talked about them crossing with wolves. That would likely explain this one. I told here about it and she said she’d pass it on to a guy that studies them. I may end up with some wildlife people here this summer doing whatever it is they do.
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:49:05am |
gotta go interact with the real world. pesky co-workers. Peace out, suckers
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:49:21am |
re: #270 Obdicut
And he’s my half-brother, if anyone wonders why we don’t look more alike.
All of you on that homepage photo look very much alike! :)
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:51:09am |
re: #273 cliffster
sweet, thanks for posting that.
No problem.
When my fiancee and I visited them down in Ecuador (and there’s a post written by me deep in that blog somewhere about that trip) they had both just broken something— Mike his foot, Hilary her leg. They were still awesome sports about everything as they hobbled around. They’re such nice people, but my brother is still enough of a wild man to be very popular everywhere he goes. They’re good ambassadors for the US.
And they got to see things like this:
I’m very proud of him for having the guts to say to his wife that before he settled down with her to have kids and all, he wanted to do a huge honeymoon adventure. My brother thinks big.
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:51:29am |
holding sleeping three week old daughter and typing with one hand so no caps.
question - has anyone listened to the no agenda podcast - and any thoughts about it
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:52:11am |
re: #275 Mad Al-Jaffee
All of you on that homepage photo look very much alike! :)
Heh. you got me. for a second I was like, ‘Wait, there’s a picture of all three brothers?’
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:52:46am |
Good morning, everyone…I see we’re still talking about rattle-snakes, wolf/dog and coyote/dog hybrids, and I suppose in a few minutes, someone will bring up the other morning topics. It’s like I haven’t left!
Anyway, just dropping by to say ‘hi’ and wish everyone a happy hump-day.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:54:20am |
re: #277 vinnievin
holding sleeping three week old daughter and typing with one hand so no caps.
question - has anyone listened to the no agenda podcast - and any thoughts about it
teaching your daughter the intertoobies early, huh!?!?
(btw ,, congrats)
((btw again ,, not idea re: “no agenda”, sorry))
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:54:24am |
re: #278 Obdicut
Heh. you got me. for a second I was like, ‘Wait, there’s a picture of all three brothers?’
I promise I won’t call you a chicken. :)
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:56:03am |
Coast Guard to try burning oil slick off Louisiana coast
(CNN) — The U.S. Coast Guard will attempt to burn off portions of an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico on Wednesday, a U.S. Coast Guard official said, as the pool of crude began to encroach on sensitive ecological areas in the Mississippi River Delta.The option was one of several that Coast Guard officials were considering as the slick moved to within 20 miles of the Louisiana coastline.
Coast Guard Petty Officer Steve Leeman said the burn operation likely will begin between 11 a.m. and noon CT (noon and 1 p.m. ET). There are still many variables to be worked out, he said, including finding oil in the slick that will burn, gathering the oil into an enclosed area with booms and safety issues.
Officials said the oil spill has the potential to become one of the worst in U.S. history. Oil is leaking at a rate of about 42,000 gallons a day from the well, some 50 miles off Louisiana.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:56:38am |
re: #277 vinnievin
holding sleeping three week old daughter and typing with one hand so no caps.
question - has anyone listened to the no agenda podcast - and any thoughts about it
I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE NO AGENDA PODCAST…BUT I’LL TAKE A LOOK OH AND I HOPE I DON’T WAKE THE BABY
/
okay…that was kind of dumb, but I thought the no caps was sweet…like you were whispering. ;)
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:57:09am |
re: #283 Varek Raith
God, that is such a disaster. What a goddamn mess.
Is the company that fucked this up liability-shielded, or will we at least get to make them pay for the cleanup costs?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:58:00am |
re: #285 Obdicut
God, that is such a disaster. What a goddamn mess.
Is the company that fucked this up liability-shielded, or will we at least get to make them pay for the cleanup costs?
I’m guessing they have some kind of insurance. Just a guess, though.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:58:28am |
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pharmmajor Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:59:35am |
Ah, only the little grey cells of the master detective could compose such a profound quote. Never knew you were a fellow Christie fan, Charles.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 7:59:42am |
This is troubling…
FBI agent short on details on militia inquiry
DETROIT - An FBI agent who led the investigation of nine Michigan militia members charged with trying to launch war against the federal government couldn’t recall many details of the two-year probe yesterday during questioning by defense lawyers.
Even the judge who must decide whether to release the nine until trial was puzzled.
“I share the frustrations of the defense team … that she doesn’t know anything,” U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts said after agent Leslie Larsen confessed she hadn’t reviewed her notes recently and couldn’t remember specific details of the case.
Judge Roberts is hearing an appeal of another judge’s order that has kept members of so-called Hutaree militia in jail since their arrest in late March.
I hope the FBI doesn’t fuck this up.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:00am |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:09am |
re: #260 tigger2005
Yep, things were better when there was no war in Iraq, and people were just being peacefully tortured and slaughtered by their tyrannical, dictatorial, but nevertheless wise and fair ruler and shoveled into mass graves.
The Iraqi government was warring daily on its own people, and some call that “peace.”
Yes they do. But when a seasoned vet is traumatized into that attitude it is really sad.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:00:14am |
re: #287 sagehen
DRILL BABY DRILL!
I wonder if the platform workers from China will go to Key West in their down time since they will be so close.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:01:17am |
re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hope they don’t fight it in court forever like Exxon did after the Valdez. Would be great to see a corporation just straightforwardly take responsibility.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:01:42am |
re: #277 vinnievin
holding sleeping three week old daughter and typing with one hand so no caps.
question - has anyone listened to the no agenda podcast - and any thoughts about it
Heh…congratulations…and i’m usually too lazy to use caps, so at least you have an excuse!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:02:01am |
re: #285 Obdicut
God, that is such a disaster. What a goddamn mess.
Is the company that fucked this up liability-shielded, or will we at least get to make them pay for the cleanup costs?
Lets get the oil flow stopped and clean up the mess before we worry about who “fucked up” and/or what happened and/or who pays
Sometimes an accident is just an accident
Sometimes there is something/ someone to blame (carelessness,, bad equipment,,, combo of the two).
But not now
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:04:33am |
re: #295 sattv4u2
Lets get the oil flow stopped and clean up the mess before we worry about who “fucked up” and/or what happened and/or who pays
Totally false dichotomy. We don’t have to do one before the other. Not that any of us are actually directly involved, anyway.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:06:08am |
re: #296 Obdicut
Totally false dichotomy. We don’t have to do one before the other. Not that any of us are actually directly involved, anyway.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
;)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:06:27am |
re: #296 Obdicut
Totally false dichotomy. We don’t have to do one before the other. Not that any of us are actually directly involved, anyway.
Actually, we do.
Until the fire is stopped and the oil flow is capped theres no way to do an investigation as to cause
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:06:32am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:08:08am |
re: #293 Obdicut
I hope they don’t fight it in court forever like Exxon did after the Valdez. Would be great to see a corporation just straightforwardly take responsibility.
Because of the way these rigs operate, it may be awhile before final blame can be assessed. The rig is owned and operated by one company; the oil company leases it for whatever period they need it for, and they have their OWN employees out there; and then there are contractors for various other things (for instance, the company my husband works for provides fluid engineering services; it is its own company, doesn’t work for the rig OR the oil company, but contracts with the oil company).
That’s one of the problems in trying to determine fault in these things.
It will be months before it’s all figured out.
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huddyofOz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:09:08am |
re: #237 Obdicut
Plenty, but why eat rattler when there’s wild boar?
[Link: www.dfg.ca.gov…]
I love wild pig.
Here, they are a complete menace, so I love the job pig hunters do :)
(my first qual was in park management with a wildlife major…a li’l while ago)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:09:15am |
re: #298 sattv4u2
Actually, we do.
Until the fire is stopped and the oil flow is capped theres no way to do an investigation as to cause
There are reports filed DAILY from the rig to the oil company and the various contractors. There’s plenty of information to begin an investigation.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:11am |
CA Voters Tricked Into Registering As Republicans With Pot Petition
Orange County authorities are launching an investigation into possible voter registration fraud after a local newspaper reported over a hundred cases of voters being tricked into registering as Republicans by petitioners who asked them to sign petitions for, among other causes, legalizing pot.
AAACCOOOORNNNN!
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:46am |
re: #300 reine.de.tout
Thank you, Reine. What a goddamn mess. So soon after the mine disaster, too.
I hope that everyone involved in the cleanup stays safe. Burning a metric shit-ton of oil doesn’t sound like a danger-free plan.
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:10:59am |
re: #281 sattv4u2
she is still in the oblivious stage … lucky her. i am trying not to tarnish her childhood with reality too early in life. i’ll let her believe in the easter bunny for a few years.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:25am |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
CA Voters Tricked Into Registering As Republicans With Pot Petition
AAACCOOORNNN!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:50am |
re: #304 Obdicut
Thank you, Reine. What a goddamn mess. So soon after the mine disaster, too.
I hope that everyone involved in the cleanup stays safe. Burning a metric shit-ton of oil doesn’t sound like a danger-free plan.
Doesn’t sound like a good plan to me, that’s for sure.
Not out in the open, with winds and waves, etc, plus there are other rigs out there. Including the one my husband is on right now.
sheesh.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:11:52am |
re: #301 huddyofOz
They are. They strip the bark from trees, eat the roots of other ones, the wallows can destroy hillsides…
but they’re so damn cute. Except when they’re trying to bite your legs off.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:12:18am |
re: #305 vinnievin
she is still in the oblivious stage … lucky her. i am trying not to tarnish her childhood with reality too early in life. i’ll let her believe in the easter bunny for a few years.
ummm,, what about the Easter Bunny!?!?!?
//
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:13:06am |
re: #304 Obdicut
Thank you, Reine. What a goddamn mess. So soon after the mine disaster, too.
I hope that everyone involved in the cleanup stays safe. Burning a metric shit-ton of oil doesn’t sound like a danger-free plan.
Hey - check your e-mail in a minute.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:13:08am |
re: #308 Obdicut
They are. They strip the bark from trees, eat the roots of other ones, the wallows can destroy hillsides…
but they’re so damn cute. Except when they’re trying to bite your legs off.
Even cuter when they are on an open pit BBQ.:)
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:13:09am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:13:17am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
ummm,, what about the Easter Bunny!?!?!?
//
satt, you better sit down for this….
/
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:03am |
re: #284 darthstar
lol i guess i could toggle caps lock on and off at the beginning of each sentence. i always thought of italics as whispering. or a really sarcastic tone if one word is italicized.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:05am |
re: #313 Varek Raith
satt, you better sit down for this…
/
Just don’t tell him about “The Great Pumpkin”.
/
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:23am |
re: #116 Liberal Classic
I’m not a typical liberal. I’m more like a hawkish libertarian. I think we are pretty exceptional. (Some of our allies are good places to live, too. Don’t get me wrong.)
“Exceptionalism” means that we are exempt from international law and the rules taht govern other nations. Nothing wrong with saying that our human rights are better than those of some countries in the world.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:14:52am |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
Rick Perry Shoots And KILLS Coyote: Texas Gov Carried Laser-Sighted Pistol On Jog
I loathe Governor Goodhair, but I can’t fault him for that. Coyotes can be vicious little bastards and they’ve been known to attack smaller or similar sized dogs.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:15:32am |
re: #318 Lidane
I loathe Governor Goodhair, but I can’t fault him for that. Coyotes can be vicious little bastards and they’ve been known to attack smaller or similar sized dogs.
At first I thought he was trying to curb illegial immigration…
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huddyofOz Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:15:38am |
re: #308 Obdicut
Hahaha…and with that lol I’ll say ciao for now!
*waves*
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:13am |
re: #320 huddyofOz
Seeya. And welcome to LGF— didn’t realize you were new.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:25am |
re: #319 ralphieboy
At first I thought he was trying to curb illegial immigration…
Heh. That’d be a pretty direct way to do it.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:16:48am |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
CA Voters Tricked Into Registering As Republicans With Pot Petition
AAACCOOORNNN!
Why they got to be harshing on my buzz man!
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:18:13am |
re: #294 Aceofwhat?
thanks she is precious. our first child. really puts things into perspective. wife and i work overseas - currently west africa - wife is development worker. i quit corporate job because i like waking up with her more than i did knowing what the next day had in store for me.
main difference so far is before i didn’t mind mosquitoes. now with the little one i feel much different about it, esp in malaria prone area.
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iceweasel Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:19:07am |
More problems with gay teens in Mississippi— remember the lesbian who was disinvited to prom, sued, and then they held a seekrit prom to exclude her when the school lost the court case?
Well, I guess she should be grateful they didn’t cut her out of the yearbook like this kid (different school):
When Veronica Rodriguez opened Wesson Attendance Center’s Yearbook on Friday, she didn’t find a trace of her lesbian daughter Ceara Sturgis after a long battle with school officials to include a photo of her daughter wearing a tuxedo in the school’s 2010 yearbook. “They didn’t even put her name in it,” Sturgis’ mother Veronica Rodriguez said. “I was so furious when she told me about it. Ceara started crying and I told her to suck it up. Is that not pathetic for them to do that? Yet again, they have crapped on her and made her feel alienated.”
Sturgis has been a student at Wesson Attendance Center—WTF with that name?—for 12 years. Sturgis is an honor student. She was told that her photo wouldn’t appear in the yearbook because, you know, God hates lesbians in tuxes. But that wasn’t enough for the bigots running Wesson: they removed all references to Sturgis. Her photo doesn’t appear in the yearbook, her name doesn’t appear on a list of graduating seniors, there’s no mention of the academic honors she racked up.
Like Constance McMillen—another lesbian student who had the nerve to stand up for herself and to be herself—Sturgis was retaliated against by the small-minded bigots who run her school.Time for an accountability moment: the website for the Wesson Attendance Center is here. Ronald Greer is WAC’s principal and you can email him here. Oscar Hawkins is WAC’s high school principal and you can email him here. The school’s phone number is[no phone numbers allowed]. The school’s fax number is[no phone numbers allowed].
Go get ‘em.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:19:17am |
The cute redhead coworker is wearing a very tight blouse and fishnet stockings today. It’s kind of… distracting.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:20:18am |
re: #318 Lidane
I loathe Governor Goodhair, but I can’t fault him for that. Coyotes can be vicious little bastards and they’ve been known to attack smaller or similar sized dogs.
Mostly I’m just wondering what exactly Goodhair expects to happen on his jogs, since he’s packing a .380 chambered with hollow-points and a laser-sight. My 80-year-old grandmother who lives in San Diego sees a coyote almost every night while walking her dogs, and scares them off easily with a flashlight and a holler.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:20:22am |
re: #326 Mad Al-Jaffee
Doesn’t his leg-hair poke out through the fishnets?
//
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:20:52am |
re: #328 Obdicut
Doesn’t his leg-hair poke out through the fishnets?
//
Thanks a lot for that image!!!
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:22:09am |
re: #329 rwdflynavy
Thanks a lot for that image!!!
//
For some reason I’m seeing Bill Walton in my mind’s eye!
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rwdflynavy Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:24:14am |
re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar
For some reason I’m seeing Bill Walton in my mind’s eye!
So not helpful!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:03am |
re: #327 drcordell
Mostly I’m just wondering what exactly Goodhair expects to happen on his jogs, since he’s packing a .380 chambered with hollow-points and a laser-sight. My 80-year-old grandmother who lives in San Diego sees a coyote almost every night while walking her dogs, and scares them off easily with a flashlight and a holler.
San Diego coyotes are California Canis Stonis, which are a very mellow and laid back breed of the standard Canis Latrans seen throughout the rest of the country. Not dangerous at all. But the coyote that Goodhair probably encountered is a known killer.
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:25:41am |
re: #325 iceweasel
i like how frederick douglass handled himself in the face of such bigots. he was heading to washington dc to speak to congress i think, and they made him ride in the cattle car. when asked about how he felt about it, or something like that, he said - and i paraphrase - this does not demean me, it demeans them. he has many great quotes - definitely worth reading.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:26:13am |
re: #293 Obdicut
After Exxon, oil companies and states set up oil spill funds and were required to maintain equipment to deal with spills - in part because of the slow response to deal with the size and scope of the Valdez mess. For example, LA requires a oil spill fund fee be imposed when the oil spill fund drops below $5 million. Texas imposes a fee on every barrel of oil. But MS and AL don’t impose a fee. FL has a fee that is used in part for oil spill cleanup.
Elsewhere, Massey Energy fired eight people following the deadly coal mine explosion but the MSHA found serious problems at several Massey-owned mines:
MSHA said it detected serious violations at all three installations.“Each one of these inspections resulted from anonymous complaints and reflects a serious disregard for the safety and health of the miners who work at these operations,” said Joe Main, assistant labor secretary for mine safety and health.
“What’s especially troubling is that one of the complaints came in just days after the explosion at Upper Big Branch mine.”
Tuesday’s revelation by MSHA followed by one day a news conference in Charleston where Massey directors and CEO Don Blankenship insisted the company has never compromised safety for profits, and suggested those who maintained differently — from President Barack Obama to heads of two leading labor unions — had engaged in “the big lie.”
MSHA said it entered the No. 51 mine after getting anonymous complaints that two continuous miners were running on a single split of air, and that coal was being cut farther than approved, where a number of face methane ignitions occurred but were not reported to federal regulators.
The agency said it issued eight 104 (d) (2) withdrawal orders over a failure to sustain minimum air quality ventilation requirements, that Massey had allowed combustible materials to accumulate and violated roof control standards.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:26:24am |
re: #327 drcordell
Mostly I’m just wondering what exactly Goodhair expects to happen on his jogs, since he’s packing a .380 chambered with hollow-points and a laser-sight.
The article mentions that he didn’t have his security detail with him. Plus, he is the governor, and even beyond any snakes or predators, he could be a target for some loony with a grudge.
I can’t stand the guy, but if he doesn’t have his security with him, he should still be able to protect himself.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:26:24am |
re: #302 reine.de.tout
There are reports filed DAILY from the rig to the oil company and the various contractors. There’s plenty of information to begin an investigation.
Hard to file a report when you’re trying to escape an explosion and fire in the middle of nowhere
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:27:11am |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
San Diego coyotes are California Canis Stonis, which are a very mellow and laid back breed of the standard Canis Latrans seen throughout the rest of the country. Not dangerous at all. But the coyote that Goodhair probably encountered is a known killer.
They are really so aggressive as to attack a full-sized man?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:39am |
re: #211 albusteve
The Tea Partiers do not incite violence; they are salt-of-the-earth middle Americans who are desperately worried about the misguided policies and wrongheaded vision being promoted by President Obama and his congressional allies. Contrast them with the younger, less educated, lower income, angry, racially motivated mob that turned out in Phoenix. The Tequila Party and gangsters like them represent the core and the pride of the liberal base. If an angry, shouting mob throwing bottles at police is the face of contemporary liberalism, it’s no wonder Americans are turning against them in droves.
[Link: m.washingtontimes.com…]
whoops!
Wow, what a shocker. The Washington Times hyping and making excuses for tea parties. Never seen that before.
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Stanley Sea Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:39am |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
CA Voters Tricked Into Registering As Republicans With Pot Petition
AAACCOOORNNN!
Just read this one. It’s a classic. $8.00 per registration.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:28:47am |
re: #338 drcordell
They are really so aggressive as to attack a full-sized man?
Doc… instead of fighting with you, I was sending some humor your way… reread my comment…
“San Diego coyotes are California Canis Stonis, which are a very mellow and laid back breed of the standard Canis Latrans seen throughout the rest of the country. Not dangerous at all. But the coyote that Goodhair probably encountered is a known killer.”
We still can’t get on the same page.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:29:04am |
re: #338 drcordell
They are really so aggressive as to attack a full-sized man?
I’ve seen dogs, racoons, skunks, snakes, bees etc etc “attack a full-sized man”.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:29:38am |
re: #336 Lidane
The article mentions that he didn’t have his security detail with him. Plus, he is the governor, and even beyond any snakes or predators, he could be a target for some loony with a grudge.
I can’t stand the guy, but if he doesn’t have his security with him, he should still be able to protect himself.
This is all true, it just seems like a bit much. But hey, it’s Texas, and thanks to Perry and his ilk it’s real easy for any psycho to be armed to the teeth.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:16am |
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:17am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
I’ve seen dogs, racoons, skunks, snakes, bees etc etc “attack a full-sized man”.
Except I’m not talking about any of those. I’m talking about Coyotes.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:31am |
Srsly?
Iowa Congressional Candidate Wants Microchips In Illegal Immigrants
While speaking at a Tama County Republican forum, [GOP Primary contender Pat] Bertroche made it clear that he wasn’t joking when he suggested treating undocumented immigrants like pets.
….
“I think we should catch ‘em, we should document ‘em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going,” said Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician. “I actually support microchipping them. I can microchip my dog so I can find it. Why can’t I microchip an illegal?
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:34am |
re: #341 Walter L. Newton
Doc… instead of fighting with you, I was sending some humor your way… reread my comment…
“San Diego coyotes are California Canis Stonis, which are a very mellow and laid back breed of the standard Canis Latrans seen throughout the rest of the country. Not dangerous at all. But the coyote that Goodhair probably encountered is a known killer.”
We still can’t get on the same page.
:D
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:30:53am |
re: #341 Walter L. Newton
Doc… instead of fighting with you, I was sending some humor your way… reread my comment…
“San Diego coyotes are California Canis Stonis, which are a very mellow and laid back breed of the standard Canis Latrans seen throughout the rest of the country. Not dangerous at all. But the coyote that Goodhair probably encountered is a known killer.”
We still can’t get on the same page.
Hahaha that’s what I figured, but I wasn’t sure. Figured I’d err on the side of caution.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:31:38am |
re: #338 drcordell
They are really so aggressive as to attack a full-sized man?
It was focused on his dog, and all his shouts did nothing to scare it off or dissuade it. Coyotes have been known to hunt prey for hours. If he hadn’t shot it then, it would have kept tracking them through the rest of Goodhair’s run.
My uncle has had to shoot coyotes on his ranch because otherwise they would attack the livestock. Finding one out in the open like that? Yeah, I’d shoot it too, especially if it was clearly aggressive against my dog.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:33:30am |
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:33:38am |
re: #349 Lidane
It was focused on his dog, and all his shouts did nothing to scare it off or dissuade it. Coyotes have been known to hunt prey for hours. If he hadn’t shot it then, it would have kept tracking them through the rest of Goodhair’s run.
My uncle has had to shoot coyotes on his ranch because otherwise they would attack the livestock. Finding one out in the open like that? Yeah, I’d shoot it too, especially if it was clearly aggressive against my dog.
I can’t blame him for shooting the coyote, mostly I just think it’s funny that Goodhair packs hollowpoints when he’s jogging.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:33:59am |
re: #350 sattv4u2
[Link: www.ctv.ca…]
GOOGLE is your freind (just one recent story of many)
Spell-check is your friend.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:34:43am |
re: #350 sattv4u2
[Link: www.ctv.ca…]
GOOGLE is your freind (just one recent story of many)
“The bite did not break the skin and Sinclair says her leg is bruised.”
Sounds horrible.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:35:14am |
re: #352 drcordell
Spell-check is your friend.
damn ,, that makes my link (and point) erroneous then!
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:35:16am |
re: #351 drcordell
I can’t blame him for shooting the coyote, mostly I just think it’s funny that Goodhair packs hollowpoints when he’s jogging.
If nothing else, it tells any loony who might be thinking of harming him that even if he doesn’t have security around, he’s still armed and able to protect himself.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:35:27am |
re: #191 cliffster
I’d feel sorry for any snake that accidentally bit Perry…
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light) Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:35:36am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Srsly?
Iowa Congressional Candidate Wants Microchips In Illegal Immigrants
IOWA=Idiots Out Wandering Around
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:36:34am |
re: #353 drcordell
“The bite did not break the skin and Sinclair says her leg is bruised.”
Sounds horrible.
Move the goal posts much? You questioned if coyotes attack humans, not the severity of the injury
But thanks for playing dodge ball!
(gee,, I hope I spelled everything right, or else, I’d be invalidated !!)
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:36:59am |
re: #327 drcordell
A Governor is a pretty obvious target. What those who do carry expect is to have a last resort defense to a violent attack. Same expectation as a person with a security guard or unarmed defensive skills.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:39:09am |
re: #358 sattv4u2
Move the goal posts much? You questioned if coyotes attack humans, not the severity of the injury
But thanks for playing dodge ball!
(gee,, I hope I spelled everything right, or else, I’d be invalidated !!)
Calm down there buddy. All I was trying to say is that in my experience with coyotes, I’ve never had to do more than yell at them and they go away. Just seemed a bit much for a big dude like Perry to light it up with a .380. But you’re right, coyotes have attacked people before.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:40:46am |
re: #359 Rightwingconspirator
A Governor is a pretty obvious target. What those who do carry expect is to have a last resort defense to a violent attack. Same expectation as a person with a security guard or unarmed defensive skills.
You’re certainly right. If I lived in Texas I’d be armed to the teeth, god knows all of the nutjobs are.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:42:00am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Srsly?
Iowa Congressional Candidate Wants Microchips In Illegal Immigrants
I have implanted a few taco chips…does that count?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:42:20am |
re: #361 drcordell
Calm down there buddy. All I was trying to say is that in my experience with coyotes, I’ve never had to do more than yell at them and they go away. Just seemed a bit much for a big dude like Perry to light it up with a .380. But you’re right, coyotes have attacked people before.
It really all depends on how hungry and thirsty they are. A few years ago, in the Denver Metro area, we had a very hot and dry summer, and the coyotes were coming right into the city, not just the suburbs, right into the city. They were attacking dogs and other outside household pets and humans.
Fifty-one year old woman…
thedenverchannel.com
Nine year old boy…
thedenverchannel.com
… for example.
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:43:44am |
re: #353 drcordell
“The bite did not break the skin and Sinclair says her leg is bruised.”
Sounds horrible.
Probably not as horrible as the woman who was killed by a coyote back in October but yeah still not fun.
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:43:51am |
so i was reading a wikipedia entry about the no agenda show - they have a podcast on itunes - but it says it has hard-right news and political commentary. i know - far be it from anyone to question wiki-anything - but they talk about some pretty interesting things like media deconstruction -which appeals to me personally- and some weird things like using ‘earthquake machines’ - which is used industrially to collect oil from the ground - intentionally to cause mayhem. adam curry says it was used to invade haiti. interesting spin, but hardly a hard right view i would say. his views on how the military is used is hardly to the right.
anyone remember adam curry from the old days when mtv actually played music videos
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:44:22am |
re: #362 drcordell
It’s not as loose as you imply really.
apps.carryconcealed.net
Just an excerpt
What are the requirements for obtaining a license?
For example, you must be qualified to purchase a handgun under the state and federal laws. A number of factors may make you ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication, pending criminal charges, chemical or alcohol dependency, certain types of psychological diagnoses, protective or restraining orders, or defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support. See GC § 411.172.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:44:27am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:44:47am |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
It really all depends on how hungry and thirsty they are. A few years ago, in the Denver Metro area, we had a very hot and dry summer, and the coyotes were coming right into the city, not just the suburbs, right into the city. They were attacking dogs and other outside household pets and humans.
Fifty-one year old woman…
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com…]Nine year old boy…
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com…]… for example.
Here’s more… three years ago, a report on 3 attacks..
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:44:54am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Srsly?
Iowa Congressional Candidate Wants Microchips In Illegal Immigrants
I….
Ummmmm….
If you already have a person in custody why would you not just send them back home instead of a microchip*?
It is not like the “illegal” is a separate species that we want to study by releasing them back into the wild.
*maybe that gal in Georgia was right and someone did chip her in her vajayjay as part of a research project.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:12am |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
It really all depends on how hungry and thirsty they are.
Also, how many ACME products they have access to.
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:50am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Idiot should be examined himself.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:45:53am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:46:21am |
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:46:25am |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
It really all depends on how hungry and thirsty they are. A few years ago, in the Denver Metro area, we had a very hot and dry summer, and the coyotes were coming right into the city, not just the suburbs, right into the city. They were attacking dogs and other outside household pets and humans.
Fifty-one year old woman…
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com…]Nine year old boy…
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com…]… for example.
Huh, I guess the coyotes in San Diego really must be lazy and high. The first time I saw one I just remember thinking “wow he really does look like Wil E. Coyote” because of how scrawny and mangy it was.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:47:11am |
re: #361 drcordell
Calm down there buddy. All I was trying to say is that in my experience with coyotes, I’ve never had to do more than yell at them and they go away. Just seemed a bit much for a big dude like Perry to light it up with a .380. But you’re right, coyotes have attacked people before.
And besides the coyote post that I link to above, we had 3 home entries of bears in the Denver Metro are last year.
And if you remember, I posted pictures of how a bear tore apart all the fencing on our front porch last August, to get at a bag of garbage that my step-critters left on the porch instead of putting it in the top locked cans we have.
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:47:17am |
re: #367 Rightwingconspirator
It’s not as loose as you imply really.
[Link: apps.carryconcealed.net…]
Just an excerpt
What are the requirements for obtaining a license?
For example, you must be qualified to purchase a handgun under the state and federal laws. A number of factors may make you ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication, pending criminal charges, chemical or alcohol dependency, certain types of psychological diagnoses, protective or restraining orders, or defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support. See GC § 411.172.
That’s for a concealed carry permit. Not for the right to purchase a handgun. Big difference.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:47:18am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:47:51am |
re: #378 Cannadian Club Akbar
They use that to get illegals over the border fences!!
///
Mythbusters tested that.
:)
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:48:08am |
re: #353 drcordell
“The bite did not break the skin and Sinclair says her leg is bruised.”
Sounds horrible.
…
She was hiking alone on the Skyline trail in Cape Breton Highlands National Park on Tuesday when she was attacked by two coyotes. Other hikers walking behind her heard her cries for help and called 911.
Sounds pretty horrible to me. Generally if you can see one coyote, there’s at least one more you don’t see. I know she’s not a “full-sized man,” but that caveat seems like the weakest kind of over-qualification. Coyotes can be dangerous, especially if you do have a small animal to look after.
| 381 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:48:26am |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:48:52am |
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:49:21am |
Did anyone actually see this coyote that Perry claimed he shot?
Or is this just some bizarre press thing to show people in TX that he does have the biggest balls of all?
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:49:51am |
re: #383 webevintage
i’ll bet you are onto something there
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drcordell Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:03am |
re: #383 webevintage
Did anyone actually see this coyote that Perry claimed he shot?
Or is this just some bizarre press thing to show people in TX that he does have the biggest balls of all?
He already had it butchered and sent to Sarah Palin to make coyote chili.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:50:13am |
re: #383 webevintage
Did anyone actually see this coyote that Perry claimed he shot?
Or is this just some bizarre press thing to show people in TX that he does have the biggest balls of all?
I thought AC/DC had the biggest balls of all?
/
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:13am |
re: #385 drcordell
Carnivores really don’t taste good.
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:51:23am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Srsly?
Iowa Congressional Candidate Wants Microchips In Illegal Immigrants
I would be tempted to dismiss this as posturing, except this kind of eliminationist language is everywhere in the immigration debate. This guys is equating illegal immigrants to dogs, while others equate them to viruses, cancers and terrorists. And some who don’t do it outright are only too willing to defend and justify it. I think this is going to get very, very ugly before a solution is found.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:53:31am |
re: #383 webevintage
Did anyone actually see this coyote that Perry claimed he shot?
Or is this just some bizarre press thing to show people in TX that he does have the biggest balls of all?
Let’s call the Hardly Boys!
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:53:38am |
re: #376 Walter L. Newton
And besides the coyote post that I link to above, we had 3 home entries of bears in the Denver Metro are last year.
And if you remember, I posted pictures of how a bear tore apart all the fencing on our front porch last August, to get at a bag of garbage that my step-critters left on the porch instead of putting it in the top locked cans we have.
When I was staying at friends place I was sitting in the living room and heard something in the kitchen. I thought everyone had gone to work so got up to see who was there. Walked around the corner and lo a behold it was a bear. It was standing on it’s hind legs pawing at the pantry shelf.
Talk about shocking and unexpected. Without a second thought I turned around and high tailed it out onto the deck and shut the door. First thought was ‘who in the hell do you call when you have a bear in the house?’.
Anyways I tiptoed to the kitchen window to see what was up and it was gone. I expect as I hightailed it hightailed back out the way it came in. Did a search of the house and saw the bathroom window was open and shut it. When I told my friend when he got home about the bear he said, “It was in here again? I keep telling Fred to keep that damn window shut.”
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:09am |
re: #325 iceweasel
More problems with gay teens in Mississippi— remember the lesbian who was disinvited to prom, sued, and then they held a seekrit prom to exclude her when the school lost the court case?
Well, I guess she should be grateful they didn’t cut her out of the yearbook like this kid (different school):
As Jon Stewart would say to these people “Yeah, go fuck yourselves”.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:54:14am |
re: #375 drcordell
Huh, I guess the coyotes in San Diego really must be lazy and high. The first time I saw one I just remember thinking “wow he really does look like Wil E. Coyote” because of how scrawny and mangy it was.
And one can argue who’s encroaching on who, humans and/or animals, but the bottom line is, in many areas of the country, the wildlife is just that “WILD,” and they are not in the mood to play fetch with us humans.
I’m 40 miles west of downtown Denver, in the Rocky Mountains, at 8200 feet, it’s rural, but not off-grid, houses are on about 2 acre tracks, in the hills, and we see and have to deal with…
Bears, mountain cats, coyote, foxes, voles and deer, all animals who are not terribly afraid of humans, and can accomplish different levels of damage depending on the time of year, availability of food and water and how we react to them.
The deer can even be a big problem because they have become very comfortable living “among us,” to the point that you can drive down your driveway and accidently smack into a group of them. Ever see what happens when a deer goes through your windshield.
I had five deer in my parking area in front of my house two days ago, winter is letting up and they are out foraging.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:55:05am |
re: #386 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, there are those who think that the nation is on the highway to hell with Arizona leading the way. Some are having a meltdown and are hoping to get a whole lot of rosie and TNT, while others are getting shot down in flames.
Me, I’m heading to Sin City, because that’s where dirty deeds are done dirt cheap and money talks.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:55:51am |
re: #24 sattv4u2
Just a few minor corrections
there is no system in place to admit, register, identify and track immigrants who have come to live and work in America.
Incorrect. we do it every day. People are here legally with student and work visas (not to mention travelers and those awaiting citizenship).
Immigration is a national problem,
ILLEGAL immigration is. Immigration itself is and always has been welcome
Immigration has not always been welcome, especially coming from certain declasse’ countries.
Just sayin’.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:56:38am |
re: #390 Jadespring
When I was staying at friends place I was sitting in the living room and heard something in the kitchen. I thought everyone had gone to work so got up to see who was there. Walked around the corner and lo a behold it was a bear. It was standing on it’s hind legs pawing at the pantry shelf.
Talk about shocking and unexpected. Without a second thought I turned around and high tailed it out onto the deck and shut the door. First thought was ‘who in the hell do you call when you have a bear in the house?’.
Anyways I tiptoed to the kitchen window to see what was up and it was gone. I expect as I hightailed it hightailed back out the way it came in. Did a search of the house and saw the bathroom window was open and shut it. When I told my friend when he got home about the bear he said, “It was in here again? I keep telling Fred to keep that damn window shut.”
Yep… and even if they are not trying to be aggressive, you don’t want a 900 pound bear walking into you, “friendly” pawing you and they can damage property just by passing through it. They are fucking big.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:57:18am |
re: #393 lawhawk
Well, there are those who think that the nation is on the highway to hell with Arizona leading the way. Some are having a meltdown and are hoping to get a whole lot of rosie and TNT, while others are getting shot down in flames.
Me, I’m heading to Sin City, because that’s where dirty deeds are done dirt cheap and money talks.
Your post has left ne Thunderstruck. I need to get back in the black.
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:12am |
re: #257 Spare O’Lake
Did he deny the existence of the agreements or just wipe his arrogant ass with them and toss them under the bus?
As far sa I know, he just denied they existed.
Then the actual letters started popping up on the internet, to prove they existed, but I’m not sure if it was ever acknowledged — by that point Obama had been well along in the total-West-Bank-and-East-Jerusalem-freeze track.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:58:45am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:59:08am |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
[snip]
I had five deer in my parking area in front of my house two days ago, winter is letting up and they are out foraging.
And I walk right through the small herd of deer, up my driveway, got the mail, and walked back down, they were with in 8-10 feet of me, didn’t flinch and inch. It’s like having a petting zoo in the front of your house.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 8:59:55am |
El bebé gigante
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:00:29am |
re: #391 Kruk
As Jon Stewart would say to these people “Yeah, go fuck yourselves”.
Yeah.
These gals need to do what Beth Ditto did…get the fuck out of that small Southern town and never look back. The best revenge is moving on and living the life you want.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:00:53am |
re: #56 sattv4u2
I can just see a Mexican gov’t official getting that bill
“$9.00 for an ASPIRIN !?!?”
Dear Estados Unidos,
Thank you for patching up Mr. Lopez, and giving him an aspirin. Instead of the $9.00, I am enclosing three bottles of aspirin from the pharmacy on the corner. They say they will be happy to ship you all the aspirin you need, cheap.
Sincerely,
Maria Carmen de los Reyes
Immigration Agent
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:02:09am |
New South Park tonight, and it’s a Timmah! and Jimmah! episode!
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:02:16am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:03:28am |
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:32am |
re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist
Dear Estados Unidos,
Thank you for patching up Mr. Lopez, and giving him an aspirin. Instead of the $9.00, I am enclosing three bottles of aspirin from the pharmacy on the corner. They say they will be happy to ship you all the aspirin you need, cheap.
Sincerely,
Maria Carmen de los Reyes
Immigration Agent
Back in my ‘uninsured days’ my first wife and I took a trip to Mexico and loaded up on over-the-counter goodies: Amoxycillin, for example.
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:04:53am |
re: #401 webevintage
Yeah.
These gals need to do what Beth Ditto did…get the fuck out of that small Southern town and never look back. The best revenge is moving on and living the life you want.
I’m finding my tolerance for human stupidity has taken a sharp dip recently. More and more, I feel the need to confront it head-on.
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:05:09am |
re: #395 Walter L. Newton
Yep… and even if they are not trying to be aggressive, you don’t want a 900 pound bear walking into you, “friendly” pawing you and they can damage property just by passing through it. They are fucking big.
No kidding they’re big. At that time I had just gotten back from 5 months of living in the bush while tree planting. In the last camp we were at the bears were so bad that they hired a ex-vet to stand bear guard and keep them out. It was normal to be walking through the tents and see a bear circling the perimeter.
A month before that we were on a heli contract where we had to be flown into the block every morning. So I’m planting along and about 50 ft away a bear pops out of the bush. Okay no problem this has happened before. I start backing away and out pop two cubs. Oh shit now we have a problem Houston. Not good. I end up climbing up a huge slash pile and sitting there as quiet as I can for two hours while momma and her cubs wander around doing what they do.
Needless to say by the time I met the bear in the kitchen I was thinking, “Oh cripes, not here as well, dagnabit”
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:05:25am |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
Immigration has not always been welcome, especially coming from certain declasse’ countries.
Just sayin’.
America and Canada both shamelessly barred their doors very effectively to European Jews trying to flee Hitler’s death machine. Too bad the Jews didn’t know about the Rio Grande!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:12am |
re: #99 NJDhockeyfan
“Patience is a virtue. ”
~William Langland
Living in a shithole, on the other hand, is no great honor.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:06:49am |
re: #405 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love disco music. There. I said it. Downding away.:)
I love the disco fashion. Polyester suits…we laugh at them now, but compare them to the ‘pants on the ground’ fashion styles we have now, and they’re downright snazzy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:07:57am |
re: #411 darthstar
I love the disco fashion. Polyester suits…we laugh at them now, but compare them to the ‘pants on the ground’ fashion styles we have now, and they’re downright snazzy.
Back in the ‘90’s we would have disco parties. Hello, Goodwill.
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ryannon Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:08:04am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:09:55am |
I use rechargeable batteries but this is a nice tip….
Liveleak Video
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:10:21am |
re: #137 sattv4u2
How long before the MoonBats assemble the lynch mob !?!?!
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Laura Bush has finally opened up publicly about the mysterious car accident she had when she was 17, a crash that claimed the life of a high school friend on a dark country road in Midland, Tex
Even moonbats kind of like Laura.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:10:45am |
re: #408 Jadespring
No kidding they’re big. At that time I had just gotten back from 5 months of living in the bush while tree planting. In the last camp we were at the bears were so bad that they hired a ex-vet to stand bear guard and keep them out. It was normal to be walking through the tents and see a bear circling the perimeter.
A month before that we were on a heli contract where we had to be flown into the block every morning. So I’m planting along and about 50 ft away a bear pops out of the bush. Okay no problem this has happened before. I start backing away and out pop two cubs. Oh shit now we have a problem Houston. Not good. I end up climbing up a huge slash pile and sitting there as quiet as I can for two hours while momma and her cubs wander around doing what they do.
Needless to say by the time I met the bear in the kitchen I was thinking, “Oh cripes, not here as well, dagnabit”
Wal-mart in Round Rock Texas, about 2000 or so. I’m walking though and I see Pocahontas on a TV, which I had not bothered to see before. They are showing the scene in which she is singing about the color of the wind* and the voices of the mountain* and…and…cuddling a bear cub while Mama Bear watches.
I’m from the NW and I, yes, have been through basic wilderness training. My jaw dropped. It was wrong on so many levels. Indians would have known to stay away from Mama Bears. It’s Wilderness 101. If you see a Bear cub, just start running, because she will defend her cubs immediately and to the death. Obviously, the script was written by someone who has so romanticized nature that they think that singing animatronic beavers are close to accurate.
*If the wind has a color, I suggest you don’t breathe it, and don’t stand in it.
**The mountain does not sing. It plays percussion. Trust me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:11:51am |
re: #414 Killgore Trout
I use rechargeable batteries but this is a nice tip…
[Video]
Nice. My little hurricane radio uses AA batteries. Thanks.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:13:29am |
foxnews flips out over the fact that we might not have anymore protestant justices on the supreme court
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:39am |
re: #418 SpaceJesus
foxnews flips out over the fact that we might not have anymore protestant justices on the supreme court
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
< blackpresident >Fox News flips out< / blackpresident > period.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:14:53am |
re: #408 Jadespring
[snip]
I start backing away and out pop two cubs. Oh shit now we have a problem Houston.
[snip]
Yep… when you see cubs, that an instant warning to get out, fast and safely. Mother bear doesn’t like anyone near the cubs. Coming across a bear with cubs is probably the most dangerous sort of bear encounter. I’d rather have three grown males rummaging in my house than come across a mother and cubs.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:15:48am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:16:19am |
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:16:22am |
re: #418 SpaceJesus
foxnews flips out over the fact that we might not have anymore protestant justices on the supreme court
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
“I don’t care what race/colour/sex/sexual orientation a judge is, as long as he/she is competent.”
Isn’t that what the wingnuts chant every time a judge from a minority is nominated?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:16:40am |
re: #420 Walter L. Newton
WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
Kipling
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:17:04am |
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:17:36am |
re: #423 Kruk
“I don’t care what race/colour/sex/sexual orientation a judge is, as long as he/she is
competentconservative.”Isn’t that what the wingnuts chant every time a judge from a minority is nominated?
That’s what they chant.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:22am |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not on DU. They despise here there.
Downding? Really? Did that really require a sarc tag?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:18:58am |
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Political Atheist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:20:23am |
re: #377 drcordell
I presumed the Governor to be CCW
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:20:45am |
re: #414 Killgore Trout
still there? I got some sous vide action for you
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:20:56am |
re: #426 darthstar
That’s what they chant.
That’s what they think. What they say is a coded message that any minority nominee is a token who is less than competent, which of course is never an issue with straight white males.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:21:30am |
re: #423 Kruk
“I don’t care what race/colour/sex/sexual orientation a judge is, as long as he/she is competent.”
Isn’t that what the wingnuts chant every time a judge from a minority is nominated?
I’m hoping he picks a not!Harvard not!Yale.
It’s sort of creepy that we could have an entire panel who all studied under the same handful of professors.
A Stanford would be good, or USC or UCLA or Boalt or… I’m sorry, is my bias towards my state of origin becoming apparent?
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:21:51am |
re: #418 SpaceJesus
foxnews flips out over the fact that we might not have anymore protestant justices on the supreme court
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
I haven’t seen the Fox story, but given the intensely politicized nature of the SCOTUS I think it may be a valid concern.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:22:18am |
re: #432 sagehen
I just hope it’s not someone from Liberty University.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:09am |
re: #433 Spare O’Lake
I haven’t seen the Fox story, but given the intensely politicized nature of the SCOTUS I think it may be a valid concern.
Hillary Clinton is protestant. Do you think Fox would approve of her?
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vinnievin Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:15am |
re: #411 darthstar
Snazzy? haven’t heard that one in a while. Be careful, you might be dating yourself. Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:23:44am |
re: #433 Spare O’Lake
I haven’t seen the Fox story, but given the intensely politicized nature of the SCOTUS I think it may be a valid concern.
We don’t have a Muslin justice either. That may be a good option.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:24:02am |
re: #435 darthstar
Hillary Clinton is protestant. Do you think Fox would approve of her?
Hell yeah! No Hillary for POTUS!
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iossarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:25:09am |
re: #437 Walter L. Newton
I think you could solve our energy problem by capturing the blast force of the exploding heads.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:25:49am |
re: #198 Liberal Classic
For people in poor hispanic communities to be reticent to interact with police affects citizens and legal residents as well as illegal immigrants. If people don’t trust the police, then we’re already at a disadvantage maintaining law and order.
Hence, LAPD’s Special Order 40. I know LAPD are known for being a bunch of bleeding heart liberals…
//
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
Immigration has not always been welcome, especially coming from certain declasse’ countries.
Just sayin’.
Concur. Policy got stricter in the 1800s. And then you started seeing cases where it appears that exceptions for certain nationalities might have been turned down due to their religious persuasion…
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:26:40am |
re: #430 cliffster
still there? I got some sous vide action for you
What did you learn? Have you tried it yet?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:27:00am |
re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist
Hence, LAPD’s Special Order 40. I know LAPD are known for being a bunch of bleeding heart liberals…
//
Are they anything like the Rampart Division from the ‘90’s?
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:28:08am |
re: #439 iossarian
I think you could solve our energy problem by capturing the blast force of the exploding heads.
Aww, c’mon. What better way for Obama to begin implementing Sharia in the United States?
(Does that really need a sarc tag?)
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:28:13am |
re: #432 sagehen
I’m hoping he picks a not!Harvard not!Yale.
It’s sort of creepy that we could have an entire panel who all studied under the same handful of professors.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg went to Columbia, so there’s at least one exception to that.
Honestly, I don’t care what law school they went to as long as they’re not completely insane.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:28:40am |
re: #418 SpaceJesus
There’s always been people who feel that the S.Ct. should reflect certain ethnic, religious, and geographical regions. Throw in the fact that the court currently includes a predominantly Ivy league disposition, and all the members were former federal court judges, there’s a push among some watchers to promote a non-judge (Kagan being a solicitor general for example), and others want to see a nominee from a non-Ivy (particularly Harvard/Yale).
It’s all about figuring out who might be the nominee. We’ll find out in the next month (before Memorial Day recess).
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:29:52am |
re: #420 Walter L. Newton
Yep… when you see cubs, that an instant warning to get out, fast and safely. Mother bear doesn’t like anyone near the cubs. Coming across a bear with cubs is probably the most dangerous sort of bear encounter. I’d rather have three grown males rummaging in my house than come across a mother and cubs.
It was the only time when I’ve met up with a bear and been really scared, like sweat and shaking type scared. What sucked about it was, with the way the piece of land was the bears, were between me and the only way out. I was hemmed in by thick forest and a river. All I could think to do was get up onto that huge slash pile and sit with a logs between me and where they were and be as non-threatening as possible.
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:30:10am |
re: #438 Spare O’Lake
Hell yeah! No Hillary for POTUS!
A president is for 8 years max. A SCOTUS Justice is for life….
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:30:31am |
re: #446 lawhawk
How soon until we get an undisguised Lizard on the Supreme Court? (The ones in disguise using their chameleon suits don’t count…)
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:30:47am |
re: #448 Kruk
Or until they retire: see Stevens and O’Connor.
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iossarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:30:57am |
re: #444 Kruk
Aww, c’mon. What better way for Obama to begin implementing Sharia in the United States?
(Does that really need a sarc tag?)
Don’t even start. I was having a healthcare conversation recently that more or less ended when the other guy said he wouldn’t want to live in Europe “because they have Sharia law there”.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:31:11am |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
CA Voters Tricked Into Registering As Republicans With Pot Petition
AAACCOOORNNN!
You have GOT to be kidding me.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:32:38am |
re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar
Are they anything like the Rampart Division from the ‘90’s?
Rampart! Rampart!
(could only find the German intro to the 70s show “Emergency 51”)
Youtube Video
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:32:40am |
re: #327 drcordell
Mostly I’m just wondering what exactly Goodhair expects to happen on his jogs, since he’s packing a .380 chambered with hollow-points and a laser-sight. My 80-year-old grandmother who lives in San Diego sees a coyote almost every night while walking her dogs, and scares them off easily with a flashlight and a holler.
A coyote that will attack an adult human is either starving or out of its little canid brain.
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cliffster Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:33:01am |
re: #442 Killgore Trout
What did you learn? Have you tried it yet?
Not cooking myself, but my friend cooking. NY strip - unbelievable. The steak is a perfect temperature all the way through. If you like medium rare, it is medium rare all the way up to the very thin layer where it was seared (after cooking). No transition at all. And the taste is amazing. The texture is literally like eating butter. Cool stuff. Contraption cost around $450 so you gotta really want to do it. Or you could try building one like you’d said, but it probably wouldn’t give as good a result - the idea is to have the entire bath have the exact same temperature. That’s hard to do on your own. Either way, good stuff, you should try it, cooking it yourself or inviting yourself over to someone who does it ;)
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:33:03am |
re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist
You have GOT to be kidding me.
What’s the advantage in tricking someone into being registered as a member of a certain party, anyway? It won’t change how they vote in elections, and they won’t vote in primaries if they don’t know they have been registed as members.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:33:19am |
re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist
A coyote that will attack an adult human is either starving or out of its little canid brain.
Did you see my links above?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:33:37am |
re: #453 darthstar
Rampart! Rampart!
(could only find the German intro to the 70s show “Emergency 51”)[Video]
German sirens suck!!
//
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:34:38am |
re: #456 Kruk
What’s the advantage in tricking someone into being registered as a member of a certain party, anyway? It won’t change how they vote in elections, and they won’t vote in primaries if they don’t know they have been registed as members.
It’s EXACTLY the same kind of thing that happened with Acorn, except I don’t predict the GOP will freak out about it.
People (signature gatherers) are paid by the person registered, so there is incentive to game the system. Perhaps congress should investigate this and pass a bill of attainder? /
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:35:29am |
re: #451 iossarian
Don’t even start. I was having a healthcare conversation recently that more or less ended when the other guy said he wouldn’t want to live in Europe “because they have Sharia law there”.
If anything, Muslims in Europe have far less freedom than in the United States. France is considering banning wearing the niqab (full face veil) in public, which would get slapped down in the US faster than you could say “First Ammendment”.
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:12am |
re: #456 Kruk
What’s the advantage in tricking someone into being registered as a member of a certain party, anyway? It won’t change how they vote in elections, and they won’t vote in primaries if they don’t know they have been registed as members.
Well it puffs up the parties roles, makes it look like there are more people in the GOP then they are.
In CA (if I am right) you can only vote in the primary for the party you are registered for.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:13am |
re: #455 cliffster
Not cooking myself, but my friend cooking. NY strip - unbelievable. The steak is a perfect temperature all the way through. If you like medium rare, it is medium rare all the way up to the very thin layer where it was seared (after cooking). No transition at all. And the taste is amazing. The texture is literally like eating butter. Cool stuff. Contraption cost around $450 so you gotta really want to do it. Or you could try building one like you’d said, but it probably wouldn’t give as good a result - the idea is to have the entire bath have the exact same temperature. That’s hard to do on your own. Either way, good stuff, you should try it, cooking it yourself or inviting yourself over to someone who does it ;)
Interesting. I bought a rice cooker a few weeks back that has a warm function. I’ll have to check what temperature it holds at but it could be used as a water bath. I’ll give it a try one of these days.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:30am |
re: #406 darthstar
Back in my ‘uninsured days’ my first wife and I took a trip to Mexico and loaded up on over-the-counter goodies: Amoxycillin, for example.
One of my more memorable family vacations was a jaunt with my grandparents to Tijuana to get Retin-A over the counter for my grandma.
We had a good time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:49am |
re: #461 webevintage
Well it puffs up the parties roles, makes it look like there are more people in the GOP then they are.
In CA (if I am right) you can only vote in the primary for the party you are registered for.
Same in Florida.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:36:56am |
re: #409 Spare O’Lake
America and Canada both shamelessly barred their doors very effectively to European Jews trying to flee Hitler’s death machine. Too bad the Jews didn’t know about the Rio Grande!
They would have swum it if they could.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:37:40am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:38:11am |
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iossarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:38:46am |
re: #460 Kruk
Oh, I know all this very well. I am a very transatlantic kind of fellow. I think he was referring to the fact that some communities in Europe try to impose Sharia law on themselves, which is a genuine problem in cities with large disadvantaged Muslim populations. But ironically it’s a problem that would seem to demand more government intervention, rather than less. The French example you give is a rather ham-fisted example of such intervention.
I am personally very ambivalent on the niqab ban - I can definitely see both sides of the argument.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:39:05am |
re: #460 Kruk
If anything, Muslims in Europe have far less freedom than in the United States. France is considering banning wearing the niqab (full face veil) in public, which would get slapped down in the US faster than you could say “First Ammendment”.
We had a woman in Florida who didn’t want to remove her veil for her DL picture. She sued and lost. But that was a gubment ID, not just being in public.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:39:36am |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not on DU. They despise here there.
Never been over there. Hmm.
Among MY moonbat acquaintances, no one doesn’t like Laura Bush.
Maybe I hang with a better class of moonbat.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:39:40am |
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:40:05am |
re: #416 EmmmieG
Wal-mart in Round Rock Texas, about 2000 or so. I’m walking though and I see Pocahontas on a TV, which I had not bothered to see before. They are showing the scene in which she is singing about the color of the wind* and the voices of the mountain* and…and…cuddling a bear cub while Mama Bear watches.
I’m from the NW and I, yes, have been through basic wilderness training. My jaw dropped. It was wrong on so many levels. Indians would have known to stay away from Mama Bears. It’s Wilderness 101. If you see a Bear cub, just start running, because she will defend her cubs immediately and to the death. Obviously, the script was written by someone who has so romanticized nature that they think that singing animatronic beavers are close to accurate.
*If the wind has a color, I suggest you don’t breathe it, and don’t stand in it.
**The mountain does not sing. It plays percussion. Trust me.
Yes bears are so cuddly. //
The worst thing I’ve ever seen was a family with two toddlers walking closer to a bear that was wandering around park in order to get a picture of the kids with the bear in it. It was so ridiculous that when I and those I were with stood there stunned at what we were seeing. The husband was urging the mother and kids on, “Closer, just get closer, this will be a great picture.”
It didn’t take long for us to snap out of our disbelief and go an stop the woman and scare the bear off. Then the father got pissed and yelled at us.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:40:16am |
re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Well, it’s not like people WANT to be associated with the GOP these days…so they have to do something to increase their numbers.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:40:37am |
re: #473 Jadespring
Yes bears are so cuddly. //
The worst thing I’ve ever seen was a family with two toddlers walking closer to a bear that was wandering around park in order to get a picture of the kids with the bear in it. It was so ridiculous that when I and those I were with stood there stunned at what we were seeing. The husband was urging the mother and kids on, “Closer, just get closer, this will be a great picture.”
It didn’t take long for us to snap out of our disbelief and go an stop the woman and scare the bear off. Then the father got pissed and yelled at us.
That would have been Darwinian selection.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:41:18am |
re: #433 Spare O’Lake
I haven’t seen the Fox story, but given the intensely politicized nature of the SCOTUS I think it may be a valid concern.
Why?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:03am |
re: #437 Walter L. Newton
We don’t have a Muslin justice either. That may be a good option.
I don’t think America is ready. We could start with a Reformed Linen justice.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:25am |
Did anyone read the full article on Laura Bush? The bit about being poisoned at the G8 summit was, um, interesting….
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:42:50am |
re: #475 EmmmieG
That would have been Darwinian selection.
Yeah no kidding. If it was just the guy I maybe would have said, ‘You’re on your own moron.” Kids though, one could barely walk. Might as well have just tossed the kid at it and said, “Here have some dinner.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:43:04am |
re: #478 tnguitarist
Did anyone read the full article on Laura Bush? The bit about being poisoned at the G8 summit was, um, interesting…
I did see that.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:43:20am |
re: #478 tnguitarist
Did anyone read the full article on Laura Bush? The bit about being poisoned at the G8 summit was, um, interesting…
That was just something she threw in to let people know she’s just as crazy and paranoid as her husband.
/
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:46am |
re: #480 Cannadian Club Akbar
I did see that.
I mean interesting as in, “Where the hell did THAT come from?” type of interesting.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:44:52am |
re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar
Are they anything like the Rampart Division from the ‘90’s?
Special Order 40 prevents LAPD personnel from asking about or reporting on a person’s immigration status.
They’ve been doing this since 1979, for purely practical reasons.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:45:35am |
re: #482 tnguitarist
I mean interesting as in, “Where the hell did THAT come from?” type of interesting.
I’m sure it is in the book.
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SixDegrees Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:46:31am |
re: #482 tnguitarist
I mean interesting as in, “Where the hell did THAT come from?” type of interesting.
According to the account given at CNN, it came from the Secret Service.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:27am |
re: #466 Lidane
*sigh*
Note: Just because it sounds fun does not mean it is a good or effective protest idea.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:47:46am |
re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist
Special Order 40 prevents LAPD personnel from asking about or reporting on a person’s immigration status.
They’ve been doing this since 1979, for purely practical reasons.
Then there is this…
nbcsandiego.com
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:48:25am |
A pox on Republicans…and Ben Nelson.
What is it they think is missing from financial reform and do they have a bill of their own?
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:48:40am |
re: #485 SixDegrees
Secret Service investigated the possibility a poisoning had occurred but were unable to make a definitive conclusion.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:49:15am |
re: #475 EmmmieG
That would have been Darwinian selection.
Though it would have been more likely for the children to have gotten hurt rather than the bear doing in the parents. :p
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:49:31am |
Another plane was diverted after a threatening message was found on a bathroom mirror.
Officials say a Continental Airlines flight from Houston to the Washington area has been diverted to North Carolina after a threatening message was written on a bathroom mirror.The Transportation Security Administration says Continental Flight 3006 was headed for Dulles International Airport in Virginia on Wednesday when it was directed to land at Piedmont Triad International Airport near Greensboro “out of an abundance of caution.”
The TSA said the plane was met by law enforcement officers after taxiing to a remote area of the airfield.
That follows a diversion of a flight from Europe to the US when a passenger made claims that they had a false passport and a bomb on board.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:49:48am |
re: #488 webevintage
A pox on Republicans…and Ben Nelson.
What is it they think is missing from financial reform and do they have a bill of their own?
I read somewhere that they have an “outline”.
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SixDegrees Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:49:53am |
re: #489 tnguitarist
Correct. Which, in turn, is the account Bush gives in her book.
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:50:32am |
It looks like Crist is going to run as an (I)
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:50:54am |
re: #1 freetoken
Johnnie Cochran I suppose believed that too.
All the OJ team knew their client was guilty. Defending an innocent man is a bit of a luxury and a rarity for trial lawyers, and it’s acceptable that good lawyers defend bad men who are guilty.
What is not acceptable is that they do it by playing the race card. And what is criminal is that they do it by forging evidence against the lone possible holdout juror, to get her off the case so the fix is totally in.
When the judge is in on this and a party to deeming legit a forgery that was pretty transparent, the whole thing becomes reprehensible. A pox on the memory of Johnny Cochran and the rest of that team, with the slightly honorable exception of Alan Dershowitz, who has had the grace to admit that their conduct was nothing to be proud of.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:06am |
re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist
Special Order 40 prevents LAPD personnel from asking about or reporting on a person’s immigration status.
They’ve been doing this since 1979, for purely practical reasons.
When is Varek issuing Order 66 in order to remove all those pesky Jedi?
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:23am |
re: #491 lawhawk
Some idiot made a threat on a plane last week, IIRC, and an announcer for the Tampa Bay Rays and 7 or 8 other passengers took him down.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:49am |
re: #487 Cannadian Club Akbar
Constitution? Who cares!
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:49am |
Arrr, shiver me timbers.
The Pirate Party gained electoral status in Canada yesterday.
I wonder if they dress up?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:51:50am |
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:52:03am |
re: #468 Fozzie Bear
Three minutes hate.
That’s scarily accurate. When you consider the changing of memory (Reagen, Goldwater), the redefining of words to suit political purposes (socialism, racism) and double-think (elections = tyranny, patriotism = seccession), the current GOP is way into Big Brother land.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:52:32am |
re: #495 lostlakehiker
Cochran totally made up for the OJ defense by introducing the Chewbacca Defense.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:52:33am |
re: #493 SixDegrees
Correct. Which, in turn, is the account Bush gives in her book.
You don’t think she’s trying to play it up? Just a little? Especially when she uses words like “mysteriously” when she doesn’t know whether others fell ill or not.
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:52:59am |
I was trying to find other sources than FoxNews but their breaking story w/o words is: Charlie Crist to Run as Independent in Florida Senate Race, Sources Tell Fox News
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:53:09am |
re: #488 webevintage
They apparently do have their own version of a bill. Some of the concern appears over the nature of powers that the Democrat version would confer on the Federal Reserve and how to engage in orderly liquidations of financial corporations deemed too big to fail.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:53:15am |
re: #497 Cannadian Club Akbar
Some idiot made a threat on a plane last week, IIRC, and an announcer for the Tampa Bay Rays and 7 or 8 other passengers took him down.
Well, good on them.
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Stanley Sea Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:54:45am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:55:38am |
re: #504 badger1970
I was trying to find other sources than FoxNews but their breaking story w/o words is: Charlie Crist to Run as Independent in Florida Senate Race, Sources Tell Fox News
This will be used against him.
thehill.com
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:55:48am |
re: #490 oaktree
Though it would have been more likely for the children to have gotten hurt rather than the bear doing in the parents. :p
Darwinian selection either way. In fact, Darwin say better for parents that they themselves die than that their children die. Darwin/Mendel say, better that the copies of the genes living in the younger body live on.
The momma bear knows this. Most human parents know it. Other humans manage not through any wits of their own, but because they live in the society of those who warn them when they’re about to do something terminally stupid.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:57:06am |
re: #509 lostlakehiker
Darwinian selection either way. In fact, Darwin say better for parents that they themselves die than that their children die. Darwin/Mendel say, better that the copies of the genes living in the younger body live on.
The momma bear knows this. Most human parents know it. Other humans manage not through any wits of their own, but because they live in the society of those who warn them when they’re about to do something terminally stupid.
Of course, that’s part of our own species survival strategy—the ability and willingness to yell “Shit! Don’t DO that!”
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Spider Mensch Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:57:39am |
re: #499 Jadespring
Arrr, shiver me timbers.
The Pirate Party gained electoral status in Canada yesterday.
I wonder if they dress up?
blechhhh, you just gave me a nauseating flash back to an old poster here at lgf who used to talk/write like a pirate in every fucking post he/she made…used to make me want to vomit…arrrgh mateys this and arrgh matey that…jebus it was annoying…can’t remember the nic though..thank goodness that one went away!
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:58:22am |
re: #491 lawhawk
Another plane was diverted after a threatening message was found on a bathroom mirror.
That follows a diversion of a flight from Europe to the US when a passenger made claims that they had a false passport and a bomb on board.
Let’s say you’re in Europe, and you want to fly to Bangor, Maine…how do you get there? There are no direct flights, and the layovers in New York, Boston, and DC can be a bitch…the answer? Claim you have a bomb. Flight gets redirected to Bangor, Maine, and you’ve just saved yourself a couple of hours…(not counting the several days in police custody you’re probably going to get).
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:58:25am |
re: #511 Spider Mensch
blechhh, you just gave me a nauseating flash back to an old poster here at lgf who used to talk/write like a pirate in every fucking post he/she made…used to make me want to vomit…arrrgh mateys this and arrgh matey that…jebus it was annoying…can’t remember the nic though..thank goodness that one went away!
ARRRGGHHHH!
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badger1970 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:58:32am |
re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar
Three weeks is an eternity in politics. But wow, he really did say it was just a Rubio rumor (attack).
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:58:53am |
re: #507 Stanley Sea
Here’s a comparison
[Link: washingtonindependent.com…]
Thanks.
Show of hands.
Who thinks the Republicans would vote for their bill if it Democrats went ahead and used it?
(I would not hold my breath)
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:59:29am |
re: #504 badger1970
I was trying to find other sources than FoxNews but their breaking story w/o words is: Charlie Crist to Run as Independent in Florida Senate Race, Sources Tell Fox News
wo-hoo!
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:59:32am |
re: #509 lostlakehiker
Darwinian selection either way. In fact, Darwin say better for parents that they themselves die than that their children die. Darwin/Mendel say, better that the copies of the genes living in the younger body live on.
The momma bear knows this. Most human parents know it. Other humans manage not through any wits of their own, but because they live in the society of those who warn them when they’re about to do something terminally stupid.
Words most commonly spoken just before being eliminated from the gene pool:
“Here, hold my beer”
“Watch this!”
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 9:59:33am |
re: #498 Obdicut
Constitution? Who cares!
These people believe in the “original intent” version of the Constitution. The one where the rights contained within only apply to white Christians. (And I *wish* that was a parody.)
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Jadespring Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:00:19am |
re: #511 Spider Mensch
I promise I won’t do that. :)
Unless I’m commenting about The Pirate Party of course.
I’m wondering if next election they’ll do lawn signs. That would be fun.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:01:09am |
re: #488 webevintage
A pox on Republicans…and Ben Nelson.
What is it they think is missing from financial reform and do they have a bill of their own?
Whatever happened to clean, simple bills that cut to the heart of the matter? If an institution walks like a bank and quacks like a bank, bring it under the authority of the banking laws. Don’t allow it to be too big to fail, but outside the reach of regulations on capital reserves and prudence.
As things now stand, and would continue to stand if this current bill becomes law, it is possible for an institution to bet far more than it has, on bets it thinks it understands but doesn’t, and when it loses, run under the skirts of the feds. But if it wins, laugh and live large on the bonuses it “earns”.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:01:09am |
Good news watch:
After 9 years, fed regulators approve the Cape Wind project.
The bad news?
It’s no where near being a done deal since state and local opposition continues and it may be several years before the first turbine starts spinning.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:01:11am |
re: #517 Fozzie Bear
Words most commonly spoken just before being eliminated from the gene pool:
“Here, hold my beer”
“Watch this!”
You left out…..”Shit!”
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Spider Mensch Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:01:13am |
re: #513 Ericus58
ARRRGGHHH!
)))) you had to see this one to believe it though…lol..literally every post had to have some type of pirate talk in it…I’m kinda glad I can’t remember the name..don’t want to beetlejuice it and have the poster show up ))))
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:01:36am |
re: #517 Fozzie Bear
Words most commonly spoken just before being eliminated from the gene pool:
“Here, hold my beer”
“Watch this!”
Proof positive that most drinkers are far from professional. A professional drinker NEVER has to put down his/her drink. They should be able to land the space shuttle with a handful of shooters.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:02:23am |
My radio just said Repubs blocked a financial reform bill with a cloture vote. They said it needs more work.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:02:38am |
re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar
This will be used against him.
[Link: thehill.com…]
Crist has the bully-pulpit of being Governor, many of his big-money donors have NOT abandoned him (despite media reports to the contrary), and has the advantage of running an “a pox on both parties” campaign to suck up Independent voters as well as Republicans who aren’t bigots (I’m assuming the majority of Republicans aren’t bigots). Plus he’s still popular in his state. A positive campaign in the face of attacks from Rubio would be a cake-walk by comparison…hell, it’s what Obama did during his run for president…he stayed positive and let his opponents look like petulant fools.
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Spider Mensch Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:03:30am |
re: #519 Jadespring
I promise I won’t do that. :)
Unless I’m commenting about The Pirate Party of course.
I’m wondering if next election they’ll do lawn signs. That would be fun.
I guess just the old jolly roger would work for a lawn sign…of course that also could mean your having a party for a bunch of 5 year old boys too…
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:03:35am |
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:04:02am |
re: #520 lostlakehiker
Whatever happened to clean, simple bills that cut to the heart of the matter?
I don’t think they ever existed.
It is like the “Good Old Days” in that they were never really as good as people think (or think they remember) they were.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:04:10am |
re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, that’s part of our own species survival strategy—the ability and willingness to yell “Shit! Don’t DO that!”
Well, yes. Running in packs is itself a survival strategy, all the more so when the pack has this insanely good communications and signaling system called “talk”.
Too bad it doesn’t seem to work as advertised when it comes to coping with AGW.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:04:16am |
re: #526 darthstar
If he switches to an “I” Rubio will have to rent trucks to get all the cash he will raise to the bank.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:04:23am |
re: #515 webevintage
Thanks.
Show of hands.
Who thinks the Republicans would vote for their bill if it Democrats went ahead and used it?(I would not hold my breath)
Wow…the Republicans have actually put a bill together? Normally, they just wave blank sheets of paper in the air saying, “We’ve got a plan…we just haven’t written it yet.”
Fannie and Freddie are a non-starter. That’s just a poison pill they’re throwing in the well to keep this from moving forward.
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Stanley Sea Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:05:24am |
re: #525 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said Repubs blocked a financial reform bill with a cloture vote. They said it needs more work.
It’s going to be a battle between debate & the Kentucky Derby (McConnell)
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sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:06:16am |
re: #473 Jadespring
Yes bears are so cuddly. //
The worst thing I’ve ever seen was a family with two toddlers walking closer to a bear that was wandering around park in order to get a picture of the kids with the bear in it. It was so ridiculous that when I and those I were with stood there stunned at what we were seeing. The husband was urging the mother and kids on, “Closer, just get closer, this will be a great picture.”
It didn’t take long for us to snap out of our disbelief and go an stop the woman and scare the bear off. Then the father got pissed and yelled at us.
Call me a cynic, but my first reaction to this story is “he knew how dangerous it is; those meddlesome bystanders got in the way of his devious plan.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:06:57am |
re: #518 Kruk
These people believe in the “original intent” version of the Constitution. The one where the rights contained within only apply to white Christians. (And I *wish* that was a parody.)
Then there are folks like the guy last week sometime who believe in Original Intent, but don’t believe the First Amendment really says what it appears to say. It says the opposite, in fact.
Then there are the folks who believe in Original Intent, but figure that there should be exceptions in cases where the Original Intent is causing real trouble in a way the founders couldn’t have foreseen. These people sneer mightily at the idea that the Constitution is a living document, but feel that it doesn’t really apply when up against modern problems like terrorists and little Mexican kids being born in San Diego county.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:07:03am |
re: #509 lostlakehiker
Darwinian selection either way. In fact, Darwin say better for parents that they themselves die than that their children die. Darwin/Mendel say, better that the copies of the genes living in the younger body live on.
The momma bear knows this. Most human parents know it. Other humans manage not through any wits of their own, but because they live in the society of those who warn them when they’re about to do something terminally stupid.
True. I just feel bad about the emotional impact on the children due to parental obtuseness/stupidity. And they get it either way. Either directly from the bear, or the emotional scarring of seeing one or both parents torn up by an irritated bear in front of their eyes.
Mother Nature doesn’t care, but I can.
Another reason to make part of the educational process getting folk exposed to nature in a way that makes clear what some of the dangers are without psychologically making them afraid of it. Appreciation, with care, is the goal I guess.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:07:55am |
re: #525 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said Repubs blocked a financial reform bill with a cloture vote. They said it needs more work.
It always needs more work according to them. Maybe we should just start over and go back to the drawing board. Wouldn’t want to ram this thing through.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:08:14am |
re: #518 Kruk
These people believe in the “original intent” version of the Constitution. The one where the rights contained within only apply to white Christians. (And I *wish* that was a parody.)
It was white *land-holding* males, was it not?
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:08:42am |
re: #528 goddamnedfrank
Apparently they never learned that expressions of impotent rage aren’t sexy.
The trouble is that there are people who can make the leap from firing into an empty car to firing into an occupied one. Given what happened to President Kennedy, this kind of symbolic violence is deeply disturbing.
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:08:43am |
re: #537 tnguitarist
It always needs more work according to them. Maybe we should just start over and go back to the drawing board. Wouldn’t want to ram this thing through.
SLOW DOWN!
SLOW DOWN!
/
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:09:13am |
re: #519 Jadespring
I promise I won’t do that. :)
Unless I’m commenting about The Pirate Party of course.
I’m wondering if next election they’ll do lawn signs. That would be fun.
See…there ARE upsides to a two-party system;)
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:19am |
re: #532 darthstar
Wow…the Republicans have actually put a bill together? Normally, they just wave blank sheets of paper in the air saying, “We’ve got a plan…we just haven’t written it yet.”
Fannie and Freddie are a non-starter. That’s just a poison pill they’re throwing in the well to keep this from moving forward.
why are Fannie and Freddie a non-starter?
| 543 |
Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:22am |
re: #526 darthstar
So it would be Connecticut Florida for Lieberman Crist then?
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:10:31am |
re: #537 tnguitarist
It always needs more work according to them. Maybe we should just start over and go back to the drawing board. Wouldn’t want to ram this thing through.
The Republicans are so worried about getting this bill shoved down their throats that they’re ramming their own chances of gaining seats up their own asses.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:11:24am |
re: #543 oaktree
So it would be
ConnecticutFlorida forLiebermanCrist then?
Crist isn’t Lieberman. He isn’t insecure enough to create his own party.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:11:31am |
re: #537 tnguitarist
It always needs more work according to them. Maybe we should just start over and go back to the drawing board. Wouldn’t want to ram this thing through.
well, if it’s not important enough to spend some real time on, why do we care?
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:11:50am |
re: #533 Stanley Sea
It’s going to be a battle between debate & the Kentucky Derby (McConnell)
Oh I hope we get to listen to Mitch whining on TV about having to miss the Derby because he had to stay and filibuster like Bunning whined when he had to miss a UK game earlier this year.
And everyone needs to remember that this vote is just a vote to allow debate to begin on the floor of the bill as written.
| 548 |
Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:12:46am |
re: #538 oaktree
It was white *land-holding* males, was it not?
Yep. Some communist* came up with universal sufferage, and it’s all been downhill since then.
* “Give everyone an *equal* vote??? It goes against all laws of God and Man!”
| 549 |
sagehen Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:13:06am |
re: #511 Spider Mensch
blechhh, you just gave me a nauseating flash back to an old poster here at lgf who used to talk/write like a pirate in every fucking post he/she made…used to make me want to vomit…arrrgh mateys this and arrgh matey that…jebus it was annoying…can’t remember the nic though..thank goodness that one went away!
I promise I’ll only post like a pirate on Sept 19.
| 550 |
Stanley Sea Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:13:54am |
re: #546 Aceofwhat?
well, if it’s not important enough to spend some real time on, why do we care?
It’s been worked on for a year! It’s the GOP way to say more time needed. Along with a filibuster to stop debate.
| 551 |
webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:14:28am |
re: #546 Aceofwhat?
well, if it’s not important enough to spend some real time on, why do we care?
How long do you think the bill has been worked on?
From what I understand Dodd and Shelby have been working on it for months and then it was in committee for awhile.
These things don’t just explode fully formed out of someones forehead.
And i would say that Fanny/Freddy is a mess that needs its own legislation which is to follow the bill being considered now.
| 552 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:15:44am |
re: #551 webevintage
I think it has been struck down 3 times now.
| 553 |
Stanley Sea Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:16:23am |
re: #551 webevintage
How long do you think the bill has been worked on?
From what I understand Dodd and Shelby have been working on it for months and then it was in committee for awhile.
These things don’t just explode fully formed out of someones forehead.And i would say that Fanny/Freddy is a mess that needs its own legislation which is to follow the bill being considered now.
Anyone who really read about the financial melt down knows that Fannie & Freddie were small parts. But they were the boogie man for the GOP. Now their proposal adds the boogie man. It’s so obviously partisan.
| 554 |
iossarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:17:11am |
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:17:21am |
re: #553 Stanley Sea
Anyone who really read about the financial melt down knows that Fannie & Freddie were small parts. But they were the boogie man for the GOP. Now their proposal adds the boogie man. It’s so obviously partisan.
They were the financial ACORN.
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:17:48am |
re: #552 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think it has been struck down 3 times now.
I’d say it is time to force Mitch to miss his race and force him to go blahblahblah for hours and hours and hours….
| 557 |
Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:18:12am |
re: #550 Stanley Sea
It’s been worked on for a year! It’s the GOP way to say more time needed. Along with a filibuster to stop debate.
“I think that the Democrats will not get cloture, but that’s the first vote,” he said, adding that a deal could be reached if lawmakers reach a deal. But he said that the GOP would continue to block debate until both sides agree on the language.
-Shelby
“I think in the next few days, weeks we’ll get it done, maybe even tomorrow we can get it together,” Dodd said.
So a few days or weeks from an agreement, it’s spontaneously time to stop working on it and bring it to the floor for a vote? Give me a break…
You can’t all be that naive. It’s a smart ploy by the Democrats, don’t get me wrong. But you swallowed the bait, hook, line, and sinker.
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Kruk Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:19:22am |
re: #555 tnguitarist
They were the financial ACORN.
The financial ACORN was the CRA. Because the crisis was entirely due to banks being forced to sell minorities mortgages they couldn’t afford. Or something.
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Uncle Obdicut Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:20:22am |
re: #557 Aceofwhat?
That’s not a very useful accusation, Ace. Anyone can simply say that you’re just swallowing what the Republicans are doing hook, line, and sinker, too.
It’s also rather arrogant.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:22:00am |
re: #551 webevintage
And i would say that Fanny/Freddy is a mess that needs its own legislation which is to follow the bill being considered now.
House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 10, 2003:
Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.): I worry, frankly, that there’s a tension here. The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios… .
You’ll forgive my skepticism about democrats and Fannie Mae overhaul, thanks…
| 561 |
Ericus58 Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:22:29am |
I think this all of us taking it “Hook, Line and Snicker” from both parties…
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gamark Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:22:55am |
re: #473 Jadespring
The worst thing I’ve ever seen was a family with two toddlers walking closer to a bear that was wandering around park in order to get a picture of the kids with the bear in it.
My wife and I winessed something similar in Yellowstone. We were at a parking lot with a short boardwalk loop trail that wound around a hot springs area from one end of lot to another. As we were getting back to the parking lot, we saw a large (aren’t they all?) male bison grazing about 10 feet off the boardwalk. There was no way to get to the parking lot from that end of the loop without passing within that 10 ft of the bison. A couple in their 60s was walking ahead of us and paused when they spotted the bison. The wife (the smart one) was resisting and wanting to go back the other way but the husband was pulling on her arm to walk past the bison. The man finally dropped his wife’s hand and proceeded to walk past the bison in a show of how easy it was. As the man passed, the bison started snorting a little and pawing on the ground. The wife still wouldn’t follow, so the old guy decided he was going to scare the bison away. The genius gets off the boardwalk, gets behind a 4” diameter pine tree and proceeds to pick up sticks and throw them at the bison from about 20 feet away. The bison was annoyed but took the high road and ignored the idiot. The woman walked with us back to the other end of the loop trail which only took about 10 minutes. Her idiot husband seemed put out by having to wait that 10 minutes, but at least he wasn’t a bloody mess.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:23:13am |
re: #559 Obdicut
That’s not a very useful accusation, Ace. Anyone can simply say that you’re just swallowing what the Republicans are doing hook, line, and sinker, too.
It’s also rather arrogant.
it’s true. truth isn’t arrogant. they’re days or weeks away from a deal but “they’ve deliberated long enough”?
come on.
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Stanley Sea Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:23:18am |
re: #557 Aceofwhat?
“I think that the Democrats will not get cloture, but that’s the first vote,” he said, adding that a deal could be reached if lawmakers reach a deal. But he said that the GOP would continue to block debate until both sides agree on the language.-Shelby
“I think in the next few days, weeks we’ll get it done, maybe even tomorrow we can get it together,” Dodd said.So a few days or weeks from an agreement, it’s spontaneously time to stop working on it and bring it to the floor for a vote? Give me a break…
You can’t all be that naive. It’s a smart ploy by the Democrats, don’t get me wrong. But you swallowed the bait, hook, line, and sinker.
Come on Ace.
Follow this link @TPM for continual updates on the process
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:23:22am |
re: #557 Aceofwhat?
Or it could be that they knew the R’s weren’t negotiating in good faith, so they decided to bring it to the floor to force the issue.
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:24:59am |
re: #557 Aceofwhat?
“I think in the next few days, weeks we’ll get it done, maybe even tomorrow we can get it together,” Dodd said.
So those two quotes came from the Meet The Press interview this weekend?
| 567 |
iossarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:26:49am |
re: #563 Aceofwhat?
I’m not sure what your point is here. The Republicans are using a political ploy (claiming that the Democrats are not being sufficiently “bipartisan”). The Democrats are also using a political ploy (claiming that the Republicans are the party of Wall Street).
I’m not sure who’s swallowing what. It just looks like politics to me. FWIW I think that the Republicans are losing on this issue because the Dem claim is more plausible, but then of course I am biased.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:28:14am |
re: #536 oaktree
True. I just feel bad about the emotional impact on the children due to parental obtuseness/stupidity. And they get it either way. Either directly from the bear, or the emotional scarring of seeing one or both parents torn up by an irritated bear in front of their eyes.
Mother Nature doesn’t care, but I can.
Another reason to make part of the educational process getting folk exposed to nature in a way that makes clear what some of the dangers are without psychologically making them afraid of it. Appreciation, with care, is the goal I guess.
Two books come to mind. One, The Gift of Fear. Take home message: if a situation scares you, act on that fear. Act immediately and decisively. Jettison habit and attachment to little proprieties. Don’t act blas’e and nonchalantly proceed with business as usual. Perfect illustration of this: huge snow/ice avalanche into this long lake in Canada, people watch as the wave races toward them. Some run. Others stand their ground, because, because why? Running is undignified? We can’t ask them why they didn’t run, because they’re dead.
The other book, Reindeer Moon. Fiction, suitable for children who are very good readers but good adult fare too. One episode in the story, the girl is saying of the woolly rhino “I don’t like her. She scares me.” And her mother responds, “you should be afraid.”
Children can cope with rational fear of known dangers. At a minimum, they can cope with that better than they can cope with getting mauled by a bear or run over by a car or whatever the hazard may be. Fear is nature’s way of getting you to pay attention to critically important messages.
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:28:42am |
Sorry about that.
The quote came from a Meet The Press interview over the weekend.
Right? This was at the end after they had discussed working on this for 2 years. They are discussing getting the vote going, not getting the bill finished.
MR. GREGORY: OK. When do you think you’ll have a deal done on this, by the way?
SEN. DODD: I think in the, the next few days, weeks, we’ll get it together, maybe even, maybe even by tomorrow possibility get this done. We need to get on with this.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
SEN. DODD: I, I, we spent a whole week last week on five nominations in the Senate, all of whom were confirmed almost unanimously.
MR. GREGORY: All right. Final word.
SEN. SHELBY: I think if we keep working together, we’ll get a bill. It might be later this week. It may mean a night, might be next week. But the main thing is to get a good bill.
SEN. DODD: Yeah. I agree with that.
MR. GREGORY: All right, Senators, we’ll leave it there.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:28:45am |
re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist
A coyote that will attack an adult human is either starving or out of its little canid brain.
Well that’d sure make me feel better if I’m attacked, knowing that the poor thing tearing my throat out is hungry.
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webevintage Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:29:33am |
Here is the whole interview:
realclearpolitics.com
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:31:18am |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:33:15am |
re: #553 Stanley Sea
Anyone who really read about the financial melt down knows that Fannie & Freddie were small parts. But they were the boogie man for the GOP. Now their proposal adds the boogie man. It’s so obviously partisan.
huh? they’re not THE boogieman but they’re one of the bigger boogiemen.
they were a huge player in the subprime market, make no mistake.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:33:40am |
re: #565 tnguitarist
Or it could be that they knew the R’s weren’t negotiating in good faith, so they decided to bring it to the floor to force the issue.
Then why did Dodd say what he said? Has he recanted?
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:34:51am |
re: #569 webevintage
Sorry about that.
The quote came from a Meet The Press interview over the weekend.
Right? This was at the end after they had discussed working on this for 2 years. They are discussing getting the vote going, not getting the bill finished.MR. GREGORY: OK. When do you think you’ll have a deal done on this, by the way?
SEN. DODD: I think in the, the next few days, weeks, we’ll get it together, maybe even, maybe even by tomorrow possibility get this done. We need to get on with this.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
SEN. DODD: I, I, we spent a whole week last week on five nominations in the Senate, all of whom were confirmed almost unanimously.
MR. GREGORY: All right. Final word.
SEN. SHELBY: I think if we keep working together, we’ll get a bill. It might be later this week. It may mean a night, might be next week. But the main thing is to get a good bill.
SEN. DODD: Yeah. I agree with that.
MR. GREGORY: All right, Senators, we’ll leave it there.
My understanding is that they are talking about getting a deal done…so that they can vote on it. Isn’t that typically how these things work?
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iossarian Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:37:23am |
re: #573 Aceofwhat?
I think that’s very disputable. The evidence suggests that:
a) Private lenders accounted for most of the growth in subprime lending, and
b) Private lenders had less rigorous criteria for issuing subprime loans (the sub-subprime problem)
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:37:43am |
re: #567 iossarian
I’m not sure what your point is here. The Republicans are using a political ploy (claiming that the Democrats are not being sufficiently “bipartisan”). The Democrats are also using a political ploy (claiming that the Republicans are the party of Wall Street).
I’m not sure who’s swallowing what. It just looks like politics to me. FWIW I think that the Republicans are losing on this issue because the Dem claim is more plausible, but then of course I am biased.
They are both ploys. I agree with that 100%. And the republicans have done exactly the same thing that the democrats are doing in the past.
That is a much different statement than “the democrats, wrapped in shining light, are a band of evil republicans away from…”
ok, that’s a little over the top, but you get my drift.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:41:02am |
re: #576 iossarian
I think that’s very disputable. The evidence suggests that:
a) Private lenders accounted for most of the growth in subprime lending, and
b) Private lenders had less rigorous criteria for issuing subprime loans (the sub-subprime problem)[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
Economist N. Gregory Mankiw, who advised President Bush, wrote on March 26 that the government is not good at “regulat[ing] financial institutions,” noting that Congress did not reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac during the Bush administration even though economists had voiced concerns. Mankiw added, “I recount this story not because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were the main cause of the recent financial crisis — they were only one element — but because it shows the kind of problem we’ll encounter on a larger scale as we reform oversight of the financial system.”
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:42:41am |
re: #77 NJDhockeyfan
And the tsunami that struck Indonesia was activated by God to punish the people of Aceh for not coming to Jesus.
There’s no end of these silly explanations. The volcano was activated by natural forces, same as the tsunami. But it’s an uncomfortable truth that natural forces have their say and that while prudence and preparation make a huge difference there’s no absolute defense against a bolt from the blue.
Prudence and preparation: storm cellars in tornado alley, sirens and earthquake monitoring for coastal areas, evacuation when a volcano stirs, rebar as part of the building code over fault zones. And so forth.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:44:07am |
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:47:34am |
re: #423 Kruk
“I don’t care what race/colour/sex/sexual orientation a judge is, as long as he/she is competent.”
Isn’t that what the wingnuts chant every time a judge from a minority is nominated?
Well, no, it isn’t. When Clarence Thomas was nominated, no one from the RW challenged his qualifications. No one from the left argued that he didn’t know the law. Their only complaint was that he wouldn’t see everything their way. Oh, and that this one woman claimed he’d said things he didn’t say and done things he didn’t do and we can use this to get him. But it didn’t work.
It didn’t work because the other 99 women he’d worked with bore witness to the fact that he had always been a perfect gentleman and that the charges were ridiculous.
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ausador Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:48:17am |
re: #557 Aceofwhat?
“I think that the Democrats will not get cloture, but that’s the first vote,” he said, adding that a deal could be reached if lawmakers reach a deal. But he said that the GOP would continue to block debate until both sides agree on the language.-Shelby
“I think in the next few days, weeks we’ll get it done, maybe even tomorrow we can get it together,” Dodd said.So a few days or weeks from an agreement, it’s spontaneously time to stop working on it and bring it to the floor for a vote? Give me a break…
You can’t all be that naive. It’s a smart ploy by the Democrats, don’t get me wrong. But you swallowed the bait, hook, line, and sinker.
Uhh, you are missing the point that this vote is to only to bring the current bill up for debate on the floor, not to actually pass anything. So what is the problem with debateing the bill in public instead of in the backrooms? Again, just like with the HCR bill, the Dems would be more than willing to make some changes if it got them some Republican votes. But again the Republicans are going to attempt every stalling tactic and propoganda attack that they can dream up rather than actually helping to govern.
I was tired of this game quite a while ago, now it is getting downright sickening.
“Lead, follow, or get out of the way.” — Thomas Paine
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