White Supremacists Plan to Recruit at July 4th Tea Parties

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The Anti-Defamation League has a report on white supremacists’ plans to infiltrate “tea party” protests on July 4th, in order to recruit new members: White Supremacists and Anti-Semites Plan to Recruit at July 4 Tea Parties.

The Tea Party phenomenon, which began with anti-tax rallies staged across the country on April 15, 2009, will continue as activists in almost every state are planning similar events on July 4. Notably, white supremacists are again planning to participate. As they have done with other political and social issues, for example, promoting the Ron Paul campaign and using the immigration debate, white supremacists and anti-Semites are planning to exploit Tea Parties to disseminate their hateful views and recruit a larger following.

Extremists plan to recruit at Tea Parties

Stormfront, the most popular white supremacist Internet forum, is home to discussion between extremists eager to influence the events. In addition to circulating a list of local organizers and promoting planned rallies, Stormfront members are trying to find ways to involve themselves in the events. In posts to the forum, many voice their intent to attend the Tea parties for the purpose of cultivating an “organized grassroots White mass movement.”

Posts to Stormfront:

  • “We need a relevent [sic] transitional envelope-pushing flyer for the masses. Take these Tea Party Americans by the hand and help them go from crawling to standing independently and then walking toward racialism.“
  • ”We intervene to shape the new pro-White grassroots agenda from within the crowd. We intervene for active effect at the event, for advancement of White racial consciousness and solidarity, and for the growth of the organized grassroots White mass movement and the most perceptive racially aware activist element.“
  • ”I also agree that spreading the WN (“White Nationalist”) message at these events is a good idea-it’s time already,we’ve gotta do it!! Carefully, of course.“
  • ”A big crowd of irate White folks protesting the government seems like the perfect time and place for us WN’s to promote our cause, at least to my way of thinking.“
  • ”I distributed WN literature at the last Tea Party in Phoenix. I will be doing it again in July. This is the time and the place. For those on a budget, I would suggest printing business cards with the web address of your group or organization. Keep it simple.“
  • ”I think they’d be ideal for spreading WN literature and gaining recruits in large numbers, more quickly.“

Tea Party Americans Coalition

An anti-Semite and white supremacist using the name ”Whites Forward“ created the Tea Party Americans Coalition (TPAC) as ”a working group for serious White racialist ACTIVISTS in the US who want to effectively coordinate our efforts and intervene for effect in Tea Party-type events.“ Anti-Semitic, racist, and anti-immigrant themes run through the six issues on which the working group is based.

”Whites Forward“ is hoping that TPAC will be the ”genesis of our new White mass movement and the fertile womb for our pro-White political party.” He has called on other white supremacist groups to align themselves with the coalition, including the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Nationalist Coalition, David Duke’s EURO organization, and European Americans United.

The Council of Conservative Citizens is the organization that Ann Coulter has defended against charges that they are a white supremacist group: Ann Coulter and the Council of Conservative Citizens, Part Deux.

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942 comments

1 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:50:00pm

Now why would they do this? Surely, they don't think they'll find gullible, easily-persuaded future fringers there, do they?

2 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:50:18pm
Take these Tea Party Americans by the hand and help them go from crawling to standing independently and then walking toward racialism.

Just disgusting.

3 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:51:10pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Just disgusting.

We need a relevent [sic] transitional envelope-pushing flyer for the masses. Take these Tea Party Americans by the hand and help them go from crawling to standing independently and then walking toward racialism.“

Their knuckles scuffed from the dragging, I'm sure.

4 EaterOfFood  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:51:27pm

These people are just so taxing.

5 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #1 Guanxi88

Now why would they do this? Surely, they don't think they'll find gullible, easily-persuaded future fringers there, do they?

All they'd get from me is a can of whoopass.

/rhetorically of course.

6 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:53:21pm

It is my opinion that the "womb of white nationalism" will not be found at Tea Parties.

7 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:54:04pm

disappointment sucks! ... they ruin everything ... wake me up when its over ...

8 screaming_eagle  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:54:11pm

What a great idea for the 4th of July.

*spit*

9 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:54:14pm

re: #6 NelsFree

It is my opinion that the "womb of white nationalism" will not be found at Tea Parties.

No, not the womb, but the nursery and daycare, or at the very least, the corner of the playground where the bad kids hang out.

10 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:54:51pm
Gliebe encouraged white people to exploit the events to form a movement that will address the "major issues facing White Americans today."

The issues I, as a white American, am facing are pretty much the same issues that all other Americans are facing. Rising unemployment, economic uncertainty, and crazy madmen in iran and north korea with WMDs. I fail to see how these don't affect all Americans equally. Racist bastards.

11 VegasRick  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:55:56pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

The issues I, as a white American, am facing are pretty much the same issues that all other Americans are facing. Rising unemployment, economic uncertainty, and crazy madmen in iran and north korea with WMDs. I fail to see how these don't affect all Americans equally. Racist bastards.

I'm going with my black BIL. Should be fun.

12 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:56:32pm
Optimistic that recruitment at the Tea Parties could expand his group's membership, Gliebe suggested that "a number of those who turned out on April 15th are ready to embrace the National Alliance's message." He also alleged that the NA had experienced an increase in applications and requests for information as a result of the Tea Parties.

They're going to continue to recruit at Tea Parties because they see it as working.

13 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:56:40pm

re: #11 VegasRick

I'm going with my black BIL. Should be fun.

Bring a camera and a can of mace.

14 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:57:05pm

The tea party movement has turned into a bowel movement.

15 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:57:10pm

Well, EoF, I see you are now on this thread. I would like to state for the record that you, ihateronpaul, rollwave87, and theheat spent a while at the end of the Prop 8 thread, updinging each other and downdinging anyone who differed from your opinion. I'm not offended; I just want everyone to know what you all are doing. It shows the same intolerance which so many people are against.
So, are you all going to continue this behavior? I'll get the popcorn.

16 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:57:21pm

And I'm sure the MSM will find some nazi shithead to spout off on TV while Anderson Cooper talks about "teabagging."

17 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

The issues I, as a white American, am facing are pretty much the same issues that all other Americans are facing. Rising unemployment, economic uncertainty, and crazy madmen in iran and north korea with WMDs. I fail to see how these don't affect all Americans equally. Racist bastards.

But it's the fault of THEM, if whites band together we can fight off THEM!

//////

18 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:57:41pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

They're going to continue to recruit at Tea Parties because they see it as working.

Like deep calling to deep, in many cases. You got the Ronulans, the Troofers, etc., all right there. Why not, from their perspective?

19 WhiteRasta  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:57:47pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

You and me, both. Racist bastards,indeed. May they go to hell.

20 ted  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:58:17pm

What losers.
Smells of desperation.

21 VegasRick  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:58:57pm

re: #16 kansas

And I'm sure the MSM will find some nazi shithead to spout off on TV while Anderson Cooper talks about "teabagging."

Something he actually knows about.

22 JHW  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:59:00pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

They're doing something that's been done before, cultivating a sense of victim-hood and blaming "others" for their perceived misfortunes. Very dangerous.

23 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:59:37pm

re: #17 jcm

But it's the fault of THEM, if whites band together we can fight off THEM!

//////

Exactly, and once the White race is united, then we can get down tot he serious business of splitting into factions along national origin and religious lines. Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, you mackerel-snapping Paddy!

24 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:59:54pm

re: #19 WhiteRasta

You and me, both. Racist bastards,indeed. May they go to hell.

Some of my favorite people (good acquaintances) I get to deal with every day are not white. They have the same problems as Americans the rest of us have. Paying their bills, making sure their kids are safe and getting good grades. The usual. What "white issues" are these racist bastards talking about? Wait- I don't really want to know.

25 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:59:54pm

re: #9 Guanxi88

No, not the womb, but the nursery and daycare, or at the very least, the corner of the playground where the bad kids hang out.

I recall some scruffy dudes handing out flyers at the TP I attended. I took one. It looked innocuous; almost plain vanilla. It invited the recipient to attend discussion groups somewhere west of here. First step of recruitment? Maybe...

26 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:00:17pm

We could complain to the Congressional White Caucus who could talk to the Congressional Black Caucus......except only one of those exists.

27 formercorpsman  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:00:21pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

Another interesting angle in all of this, is the coziness of these groups & the lunatics in Iran.

Recall Duke at the Holocaust Conference in 2006 in Tehran.

28 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:00:24pm

re: #23 Guanxi88

Exactly, and once the White race is united, then we can get down tot he serious business of splitting into factions along national origin and religious lines. Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, you mackerel-snapping Paddy!

guanxi88 ... what is a mackerel-snapping Paddy? ...

29 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:00:42pm

that baby looks like a boy

30 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:00:52pm

re: #25 NelsFree

I recall some scruffy dudes handing out flyers at the TP I attended. I took one. It looked innocuous; almost plain vanilla. It invited the recipient to attend discussion groups somewhere west of here. First step of recruitment? Maybe...

Tag along, maybe, to see what was on offer. One never knows. Then again, it might have been a free Personality and IQ test from the Litigious Religion that Dare not be Named.

31 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:01:23pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

They're going to continue to recruit at Tea Parties because they see it as working.

Advertising 101. Put your $s where they are effective.

32 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:01:25pm

re: #22 JHW

They're doing something that's been done before, cultivating a sense of victim-hood and blaming "others" for their perceived misfortunes. Very dangerous.

Yes- it's the typical modus operandi of fascists. We know where that leads, and I want nothing to do with it.

33 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:02:20pm

re: #23 Guanxi88

Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, you mackerel-snapping Paddy!


"Oooh, that's cold!"
/Flo from Progressive Insurance

34 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:02:29pm

re: #28 JacksonTn

guanxi88 ... what is a mackerel-snapping Paddy? ...

You are, you know good shellaleigh-sporting, Limerick-quoting, beer-swilling, PAPIST of an Irishman!

35 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:02:45pm

re: #28 JacksonTn

guanxi88 ... what is a mackerel-snapping Paddy? ...

An Irish Papist who eats fish on Friday. I know cuz I were one....

36 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:03:17pm

It's sort of a given in politics that sooner or later, any grassroots movement operating like the tea parties (local, spontaneous, and without overall national coordination) will attract the attention of already-established groups seeking to co-opt the movement to their own agendas. During the Sixties and early Seventies, the Vietnam antiwar movement, and then the environmental movement, became wholly-owned subsidiaries of leftist extremists in just this way, and their descendants remain so today for the most part.

So the idea of the ultra-right-wing extremists trying to do the same to a movement they perceive as having goals similar to their own isn't really surprising.

Although in the end I suspect they'll be the ones getting the surprise, as most tea party types aren't racists, a good portion aren't white, and I'm not aware of any who are advocates of the kind of tribalist anarchism the Stormfront crowd dream of.

Unlike the extremists on the right and left, those whose primary interest is getting government spending and borrowing under control don't buy the idea of blowing up the mansion to kill a mouse- or destroying our society to "save" it.

cheers

eon

37 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:03:28pm

re: #27 formercorpsman

Another interesting angle in all of this, is the coziness of these groups & the lunatics in Iran.

Recall Duke at FROM the Holocaust Conference.


FIFY

38 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:03:39pm

re: #32 Sharmuta

Yes- it's the typical modus operandi of fascists. We know where that leads, and I want nothing to do with it.

Seems to have lead to a Democrat House, Senate, and White House.....cultivating a sense of victimhood and blaming others for their perceived misfortunes that is.

39 ted  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:03:53pm

Whites Forward“ is hoping that TPAC will be the ”genesis of our new White Nazi mass movement and the fertile womb for our pro-White Nazi political party." He has called on other white supremacist Nazi groups to align themselves with the coalition, including the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Nationalist Coalition, David Duke’s EURO organization, and European Americans United.

Fixed.

40 WhiteRasta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:03:59pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

My neighbors are Sri - Lankans lovely folks, he is currently out of work and theyhave the same worries as you and I have.

41 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:03:59pm

re: #28 JacksonTn

guanxi88 ... what is a mackerel-snapping Paddy? ...

Irish Catholic, two count derogatory. Mackerel snapper for the Catholics practice of eating fish on Friday, Paddy diminutive of Padraig used by the British as a slur.

No matter how "pure" the white movement is, it will always seek greater purity.

42 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:04:01pm

re: #34 Guanxi88

You are, you know good shellaleigh-sporting, Limerick-quoting, beer-swilling, PAPIST of an Irishman!

guanxi88 ... ha ... I guess I should have known that but I swear I have never heard it before ... dang the things I learn on this site ... head swirling ...

43 formercorpsman  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:04:04pm

re: #37 NelsFree

Fair enough. 58 patients today.

44 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:05:45pm

re: #35 austin_blue

An Irish Papist who eats fish on Friday. I know cuz I were one....

Ack! Two South Austin boys in sync!

Snap!

45 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:05:56pm

re: #38 kansas

Seems to have lead to a Democrat House, Senate, and White House.....cultivating a sense of victimhood and blaming others for their perceived misfortunes that is.

You don't suppose Iraq had something to do with the Dem House/Senate?

46 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:06:14pm

re: #35 austin_blue

An Irish Papist who eats fish on Friday. I know cuz I were one....

Exactly. If human history is any guide, the "white Nationalists" would devolve into internecine warfare about 30 seconds after they'd finished with "the Others." I think in particular the protestant/catholic split would be ripe grounds for bloodshed.

As for the Irish, well, I've always found the old prejudice against them kinda funny. For a bunch of shiftless drunks and slaves to the Papacy, they damned sure drove out the WASPS in the Eastern cities and took control quite nicely. Want proof? When a Jewish cop, a black cop, or any cop dies, they have a piper at the funeral.

47 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:06:26pm

The nazis, stormfronters, and euronationalist lobbies are not the only ones using the tea parties to recruit, here's a search on "constitution party" tea

48 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #45 flyers1974

You don't suppose Iraq had something to do with the Dem House/Senate?

Some Texas village idiot mislead them, the smartest people in the world.

49 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:07:06pm

re: #41 jcm

Irish Catholic, two count derogatory. Mackerel snapper for the Catholics practice of eating fish on Friday, Paddy diminutive of Padraig used by the British as a slur.

No matter how "pure" the white movement is, it will always seek greater purity.

jcm ... hey, I likes my fish sticks on Friday ... but not so sure about the "pure" part ... boring ...

50 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:07:06pm

I believe the overwhelming majority of protesters know better than to associate themselves with these vermin.

Wherever any large groups gather, these desperate scumbags will show up and try to recruit.

They'll fail.

51 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #45 flyers1974

You don't suppose Iraq had something to do with the Dem House/Senate?

Not as much as the lying about Iraq the MSM did. Notice how much better Iraq suddenly got?

52 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:07:27pm

re: #48 jcm

Some Texas village idiot mislead them, the smartest people in the world.

You called?

53 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:08:29pm

re: #48 jcm

Some Texas village idiot mislead them, the smartest people in the world.

That may be. But if so, a far cry from gaining power by cultivating victimhood, etc...

54 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:08:31pm

Notice the Stormfront member who says he distributed white nationalist literature at the Phoenix tea party on April 15th -- apparently without being tossed out or facing any protest from anyone, since he says he plans to do it again.

55 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:08:37pm

Once assimilated, the Irish descendents proved themselves to be valuable Americans. I'll try to find the link. Ronald Reagan may be one of the best examples.

56 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:10:13pm

re: #47 Thanos

The nazis, stormfronters, and euronationalist lobbies are not the only ones using the tea parties to recruit, here's a search on "constitution party" tea

Members of the "constitution party" are heavily involved in my local "tea party" organization.

57 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:10:42pm

I take no joy from this madness. There is no question the majority of the protesters are patriotic Americans that have no clue that some of the tea parties are being infiltrated by these factions. I hate to see genuine dissent misused in this manner.

58 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:10:45pm

The flyer would be laughable if it wasn't so vile in nature..
Disgusting

59 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:10:46pm

re: #38 kansas

Seems to have lead to a Democrat House, Senate, and White House.....cultivating a sense of victimhood and blaming others for their perceived misfortunes that is.

The left doesn't traditionally promote nationalism, which is what fascists do.

60 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:11:12pm

re: #55 NelsFree

Once assimilated, the Irish descendents proved themselves to be valuable Americans. I'll try to find the link. Ronald Reagan may be one of the best examples.

Hell, the Irish didn't become Americans; they were before they ever left their homeland. This is why we were able to assimilate them so quickly. They didn't change to accommodate America - America changed to accommodate them. One of the most amazing things in the history of this country, if you ask me. Universally hated by all the better sort, the Irish Catholics became dominant political, cultural, and business actors in one generation. The Irish were so successful that EVERYONE here loves to claim even the slightest bit of Irish ancestry.

61 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:11:15pm

re: #49 JacksonTn

jcm ... hey, I likes my fish sticks on Friday ... but not so sure about the "pure" part ... boring ...

fish sticks?
not tuna casserole with potato chips on top?

62 ihateronpaul  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:11:55pm

I hate racist scum! And the CofCC is so RACIST. A lot of their members are on stormfront. I hate their hate. And I heard a fill-in host for mark levin advocate a return to nationalism. This is a slippery slope of hate and assholes like Coulter keep it going. Sickening.

63 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:12:02pm

re: #54 Charles

Notice the Stormfront member who says he distributed white nationalist literature at the Phoenix tea party on April 15th -- apparently without being tossed out or facing any protest from anyone, since he says he plans to do it again.

Probably one of these guys, if you are in PHX this is one of the guys to watch out for. [Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:12:16pm

re: #56 reine.de.tout

Members of the "constitution party" are heavily involved in my local "tea party" organization.

The Constitution Party is composed of really bad people. Dominionists and theocrats, masquerading as "libertarians."

65 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:12:36pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

fish sticks?
not tuna casserole with potato chips on top?

Nice! Very nice.

66 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:12:55pm

re: #57 avanti

I take no joy from this madness. There is no question the majority of the protesters are patriotic Americans that have no clue that some of the tea parties are being infiltrated by these factions. I hate to see genuine dissent misused in this manner.

Last I checked these idiots were free to spout whatever idiocy they wanted. You know, like that old outdated saying, I may disagree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it. Just because they choose this venue, and just because no one confronts them doesn't mean they agree with them.

67 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:13:20pm

re: #46 Guanxi88

Exactly. If human history is any guide, the "white Nationalists" would devolve into internecine warfare about 30 seconds after they'd finished with "the Others." I think in particular the protestant/catholic split would be ripe grounds for bloodshed.

As for the Irish, well, I've always found the old prejudice against them kinda funny. For a bunch of shiftless drunks and slaves to the Papacy, they damned sure drove out the WASPS in the Eastern cities and took control quite nicely. Want proof? When a Jewish cop, a black cop, or any cop dies, they have a piper at the funeral.

Sure. First the Mud people, then the Joooooz, then anyone who doesn't fit the Aryan ideal. I met a couple when I was working offshore and their earnestness was what got me- they were otherwise really nice guys, which was terrifying. Good Christian men, at least in their own eyes. One guy showed me his "Ni**er Hunting License" which included two toe tags. He thought it was hilarious. I left quickly. You don't punch a man 90 miles offshore.

68 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #60 Guanxi88

Hell, the Irish didn't become Americans; they were before they ever left their homeland. This is why we were able to assimilate them so quickly. They didn't change to accommodate America - America changed to accommodate them. One of the most amazing things in the history of this country, if you ask me. Universally hated by all the better sort, the Irish Catholics became dominant political, cultural, and business actors in one generation. The Irish were so successful that EVERYONE here loves to claim even the slightest bit of Irish ancestry.

Heck I'm Scottish, and a mix of Eastern European.

69 LGoPs  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:13:39pm

Being an American is in your heart and in the ideals that you hold dear. It doesn't matter what you look like. That is the beauty of America. Our diversity is self evident - just look at any assemblage of Americans - we come in all colors and backgrounds. It is the heart and the ideals that unite us and those should be the only things we focus on.

70 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:14:05pm

re: #51 kansas

Not as much as the lying about Iraq the MSM did. Notice how much better Iraq suddenly got?

That may be so. But whether opposing Iraq is smart or not, it has nothing to do with victimhood or blaming others. Remember, a lot of smart people opposed this, and many of those people were not exactly hairy hippy types.

71 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:14:36pm

re: #67 austin_blue

Sure. First the Mud people, then the Joooooz, then anyone who doesn't fit the Aryan ideal. I met a couple when I was working offshore and their earnestness was what got me- they were otherwise really nice guys, which was terrifying. Good Christian men, at least in their own eyes. One guy showed me his "Ni**er Hunting License" which included two toe tags. He thought it was hilarious. I left quickly. You don't punch a man 90 miles offshore.

He can swim ashore, even the sharks would spit him out.

72 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:14:38pm

re: #64 Charles

The Constitution Party is composed of really bad people. Dominionists and theocrats, masquerading as "libertarians."

Yes, when I saw that, that's when I decided to opt out of participation in this.

73 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:14:51pm

re: #68 jcm

Heck I'm Scottish, and a mix of Eastern European.

Okay, I exaggerate a bit for effect, but the fact is that the irish culture was one of the most amazingly successful ones ever to come to our shores. Given the bad press they got when they first showed up, our wholesale embrace of them, as a nation, is remarkable.

74 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:15:11pm

re: #73 Guanxi88

Okay, I exaggerate a bit for effect, but the fact is that the irish culture was one of the most amazingly successful ones ever to come to our shores. Given the bad press they got when they first showed up, our wholesale embrace of them, as a nation, is remarkable.

Very true.....

75 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:15:22pm

re: #69 LGoPs

Being an American is in your heart and in the ideals that you hold dear. It doesn't matter what you look like. That is the beauty of America. Our diversity is self evident - just look at any assemblage of Americans - we come in all colors and backgrounds. It is the heart and the ideals that unite us and those should be the only things we focus on.

Well Said!

76 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:15:35pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

The left doesn't traditionally promote nationalism, which is what fascists do.

Before I get hammered for promoting fascism, my statement came from this:

They're doing something that's been done before, cultivating a sense of victim-hood and blaming "others" for their perceived misfortunes. Very dangerous

You jumped to fascism, I made the connection between cultivating a sense of victim hood and blaming others for their misfortune as a Democrat tactic.

Not promoting fascism here.

77 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:15:57pm

re: #67 austin_blue

That's part of what makes evil so terrifying; it doesn't come with scales and horns and maniacal, echoing laughter with flames. It comes from regular-looking folk.

78 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:16:06pm

Where's Killgore?

79 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:16:11pm

re: #54 Charles

Notice the Stormfront member who says he distributed white nationalist literature at the Phoenix tea party on April 15th -- apparently without being tossed out or facing any protest from anyone, since he says he plans to do it again.


Charles,
My #25 may explain that. What I was handed was merely an invitation to attend a discussion group. There were no specifics except a topic of Liberty and Freedom. That may be similar to what the fellow in Phoenix was handing out.

80 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:16:22pm

re: #69 LGoPs

Being an American is in your heart and in the ideals that you hold dear. It doesn't matter what you look like. That is the beauty of America. Our diversity is self evident - just look at any assemblage of Americans - we come in all colors and backgrounds. It is the heart and the ideals that unite us and those should be the only things we focus on.

Which is exactly why white nationalism is particularly disturbing to me. "American" is not a race or ethnicity. It is a state of mind. These racist assholes as just as un-American as the leftists they claim to hate.

81 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:16:55pm

At RedState: Jesus would have waterboarded.

It’s likely even Jesus would have OK’d water boarding if it would have saved his Mom. He would’ve done the same to save his Dad, or any one of His disciples.

82 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:17:53pm

re: #76 kansas

And the reason I jumped to fascism is because of more than the victimhood mentality. It's coupled with racism, and that's fascist.

83 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:17:54pm

re: #60 Guanxi88

Hell, the Irish didn't become Americans; they were before they ever left their homeland. This is why we were able to assimilate them so quickly. They didn't change to accommodate America - America changed to accommodate them. One of the most amazing things in the history of this country, if you ask me. Universally hated by all the better sort, the Irish Catholics became dominant political, cultural, and business actors in one generation. The Irish were so successful that EVERYONE here loves to claim even the slightest bit of Irish ancestry.

I'm sure you've heard that's why God invented whiskey -- to keep the Irish from taking over the world! :)

84 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #81 Charles

At RedState: Jesus would have waterboarded.

Charles ... that is really really sad ...

85 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:18:08pm

This is only the tip of the iceberg. Tea Party organizers and the groups funding the Tea Parties are very friendly with White Nationalists, Ron Paul and Truthers.
Sadly, many conservatives are going to spend the upcoming July 4th with their new "friends". I suggest a BBQ with beer, flags and fireworks is a more patriotic alternative.

86 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:18:30pm

re: #81 Charles

At RedState: Jesus would have waterboarded.

It's okay it would have been holy water....

//////////

Idiots.

87 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:18:31pm

re: #78 unrealizedviewpoint

Here.

88 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:18:52pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

fish sticks?
not tuna casserole with potato chips on top?

Gawd, the memories....the rotating four week cycle of Mac and Cheese, salmon cakes, Tuna Casserole (we were upscale- we used potato *sticks* instead of crumbled chips), and grilled cheese sammiches. Weeks one and four were tolerable, but weeks two and three...The Horror....The Horror

89 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:18:54pm

re: #50 JammieWearingFool

I expect them to pick up a few idiots. Remember the picture of the douche bag wearing the T-shirt with "Thin the Herd" under an image of AK-74U. Maybe the White Nationalists are up getting a few recruits that will start networking for them.

90 ihateronpaul  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:19:00pm

Surprise, surprise, Pat Buchanan made a book on this very subject taking the racist point of view.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

But don't worry, Hannity told me he is a Great American.

91 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:19:04pm

re: #81 Charles

At RedState: Jesus would have waterboarded.

That one posting is easily three or four of the craziest blog postings I've ever read. Is it a spoof or something?

92 Pupdawg  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:19:10pm

Hopefully, they will be thrown overboard p.d.q.

93 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:19:58pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Here.

85 comments into a thread as this and no sign of you. I waz worried.

94 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:20:08pm

re: #91 Guanxi88

That one posting is easily three or four of the craziest blog postings I've ever read. Is it a spoof or something?

Definitely not a spoof. This is standard fare at RedState these days.

95 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:20:40pm

re: #81 Charles

At RedState: Jesus would have waterboarded.

Weird.. Well at least if Jesus was going to waterboard you he'd turn the water into wine and you could drink some of it..

96 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #95 HoosierHoops

Weird.. Well at least if Jesus was going to waterboard you he'd turn the water into wine and you could drink some of it..

HH ... they are of little faith .. we all know Jesus reads minds ... no waterboarding needed ... silly people ...

97 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:21:35pm

re: #79 NelsFree

I could be anything but I'm very wary of freedom, liberty, and the constitution as buzzwords for anti-American groups. I know it's ironic but they are using these terms to advance very un-American agenda.

98 ihateronpaul  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:22:25pm

re: #90 ihateronpaul

this is in the PRESS MATERIALS for that aforementioned "book" by buchanan called "Death of the West"

' Buchanan is equally upfront about his position on homosexuality: "had the killers of Matthew Shepard chosen a sixteen-year-old girl rather than a twenty-one-year-old gay man, her rape-murder would have been to me an even greater evil." '

How Hannity can support this guy is bewildering.

99 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #94 Charles

Definitely not a spoof. This is standard fare at RedState these days.

You know, with each passing day, I begin to think that these loonies aren't just the crazy uncle you keep locked in the attic, and begin to suspect that they're the whole freakin' tribe. Maybe it would be cheaper and easier to just start institutionalizing the sane, as there seem to be far fewer of them?

100 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:23:19pm

re: #93 unrealizedviewpoint

I was picking my first batch of hydroponic basil for pesto and prepping pasta dough. Gonna fire up the Big Green Egg in a few minutes and grill some hot Italian sausages.

101 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:23:47pm

re: #94 Charles

Definitely not a spoof. This is standard fare at RedState these days.

Great! So we never have to wonder WWJD? -- all we have to do is go to Redstate and ask them.

Makes life much simpler.

/

102 JHW  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:23:54pm

re: #76 kansas

You are correct that others cultivate this feeling, but the article is specifically about White supremacists and nationalists, which is akin to fascism. No one is accusing anyone of promoting fascism, for stating, correctly, that other political movements use this tactic, it just isn't the subject of this article.

103 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:23:58pm

re: #69 LGoPs

Being an American is in your heart and in the ideals that you hold dear. It doesn't matter what you look like. That is the beauty of America. Our diversity is self evident - just look at any assemblage of Americans - we come in all colors and backgrounds. It is the heart and the ideals that unite us and those should be the only things we focus on.

I would emphasize that assimilation is the overall concept that has made America a great country. Diversity allows groups to retain their cultural identity; in some cases, it results in failure/refusal to assimilate.

104 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:24:12pm
The Anti-Defamation League has a report on white supremacists’ plans to infiltrate “tea party” protests on July 4th, in order to recruit new members

They are not welcome. Period.

105 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:24:14pm

re: #94 Charles

Definitely not a spoof. This is standard fare at RedState these days.

I've posted here on the subject previously, but never dared invoke a theological justification for the practice. That's just crazy AND tacky. AND blasphemous.

106 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:24:17pm

re: #38 kansas

Seems to have lead to a Democrat House, Senate, and White House.....cultivating a sense of victimhood and blaming others for their perceived misfortunes that is.

Yeppers.

Where the hell is John Galt when we need him?

107 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:24:21pm

re: #86 jcm

It's okay it would have been holy water....

//////////

Idiots.

Jesus would have turned the water into funk!

108 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:24:41pm
Gliebe argued that white people have simply had enough of what he described as minorities relying on tax dollars to fund government programs. He explained that "middle class White Americans are finally protesting."

This is disgusting. The government spends money on more than welfare/entitlement programs. This is just pure race baiting, and it's wrong.

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:25:08pm

re: #92 Pupdawg

Nope. The Tea Party crowd isn't complaining. This has been open knowledge for quite some time. The organizers and sponsors also know what's going on. I think it's probably too late to do anything about it.

110 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:25:09pm

re: #99 Guanxi88

You know, with each passing day, I begin to think that these loonies aren't just the crazy uncle you keep locked in the attic, and begin to suspect that they're the whole freakin' tribe. Maybe it would be cheaper and easier to just start institutionalizing the sane, as there seem to be far fewer of them?

111 Shr_Nfr  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:25:47pm

Look, my kids are mutts. I am half English/German, my wife is half Polish/Russian. It does not matter what is on top of the skin or what is between the legs, the only thing that matters is what is between the ears. We will thrive as a country if every last citizen is allowed, indeed required, to work to their outer limits of capability without any transfer payments being made on physical or ancestral history. It is time that the citizens of this country put an end to the constant whine of "I am a victim." We all are in some manner. When I was a lot younger, I probably could have been a pretty good power lifter, but sure as shit I would have sucked at basketball. Until we encourage or indeed even force people to play the cards they are dealt the best way they can, we will be losers. The only solace is that a lot of countries are worse, so the competitive disadvantage is not as great as it might be otherwise.

112 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #106 Steffan

Yeppers.

Where the hell is John Galt when we need him?

I heard he went on a flight out West somewhere. Nobody's heard from him for a while.

113 ShanghaiEd  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:26:13pm

re: #36 eon

Although in the end I suspect they'll be the ones getting the surprise, as most tea party types aren't racists, a good portion aren't white, and I'm not aware of any who are advocates of the kind of tribalist anarchism the Stormfront crowd dream of.

I'll take your word on the racism and anarchism, but in honesty I have not so far seen photos of any Tea Party whose turnout is less white than your average GOP rally, which is very. Can you point me to examples?

114 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:26:21pm

re: #110 jcm

[Video]

jcm ... I will not click that link ... I will not click that link ...

/that song will never get out of your head ... ever ...

115 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:26:28pm

re: #106 Steffan

Yeppers.

Where the hell is John Galt when we need him?

Who?

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:27:12pm

re: #106 Steffan

Where the hell is John Galt when we need him?


He never existed. He's a work of fiction.

117 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:27:45pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

This is disgusting. The government spends money on more than welfare/entitlement programs. This is just pure race baiting, and it's wrong.

Gah!

I intensely dislike the welfare state. Mostly for what it does to people, secondly it cost so much for so little benefit.

118 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:28:14pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Nope. The Tea Party crowd isn't complaining. This has been open knowledge for quite some time. The organizers and sponsors also know what's going on. I think it's probably too late to do anything about it.

More and more, I feel very disinclined to join any "organized" group (well, other than LGF).

Who was it who said he wouldn't want to join any group that would want him as a member?

That's about how I feel about politics today.

cheers

eon

119 Liberal Classic  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:28:25pm

I was initially excited about the bailout protests. I viewed them as ordinary people like me who wanted to express their frustration with the direction the government was taking. For Neo-nazis to use the momentum generated by the bailout protests to advance their agenda fills me with great anger and sadness. Because when the concepts of free enterprise and limited government become synonymous with racism and antisemitism, it all but guarantees a generation of dominance of the American political landscape by the authoritarian far-left.

I'm a pro-science, pro-defense libertarian. I can't stomach the Democrats because they are too socialist, the Republicans have managed to abandon fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, and the man most closely associated with libertarianism is an anti-Israel creationist. I am honestly at a total loss. I don't know which way to turn.

120 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:28:45pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

He never existed. He's a work of fiction.

Ever the literalist aren't we!

;-)

121 American Sabra  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:28:52pm

re: #57 avanti

I take no joy from this madness. There is no question the majority of the protesters are patriotic Americans that have no clue that some of the tea parties are being infiltrated by these factions. I hate to see genuine dissent misused in this manner.

I'd like to think that conservatives and Republicans of the non-extremist variety will see them coming. The libertarians have to be more careful because they have a message that attracts extremists.

I see the Tea Party protesters divided among two groups in my area. Conservatives/Republicans and Libertarians/Ron Paul people. Well from the signs they carry. The Repubs have the anti-Obama/anti-stimulus signs mostly. The Paulians have the "gold standard", "abolish the federal reserve", "no income taxes", that kind of thing and I don't think that's a usual Republican platform. I think the Stormfront guys would dig it though.

122 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:29:08pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

He never existed. He's a work of fiction.

Go eat your hot Italian sausages.

123 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:29:09pm

We're up to eight hate mails already today, by the way, because I agreed with Colin Powell that it's a bad idea to drive moderates and centrists out of the GOP, and because I refused to get my hate on for Sonia Sotomayor.

And I do mean "hate mail" -- profanity laced tirades.

124 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:29:12pm

re: #118 eon

That's probably wise.

125 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:29:32pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Nope. The Tea Party crowd isn't complaining. This has been open knowledge for quite some time. The organizers and sponsors also know what's going on. I think it's probably too late to do anything about it.

They think they are being pragmatic - average Republicans are not going to show up in large numbers for demonstrations because they have lives, families, jobs, business' and are busy. The only way they can get a crowd in some places is to let the crazies come. They don't realize that Republicans aren't lefties, and the stench of these nutballs will not wash off in a kind media spotlight like it does for the left.

126 J.S.  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:29:37pm

As a complete outsider, sorry, but I'm wondering have ya' all lost your senses? First of all there is a difference between "those who attend" vs "those who claim to 'organize'." Ok?

If one looks back to the April "Tea Party" -- who was in attendance? Who? Do you have any stats? Was it comprised of raving KKKers? neo-fascists? white supremacists? If you wish to make that claim, then it's up to YOU to provide the evidence. There's a legal maxim that states, "the burden of proof is upon him who affirms, not him who denies." So, if someone attended the April Tea Party, who will allege "Why, they're Nazis, and White Supremacists, I tell You!" Based on what, exactly? A web posting from Stormfront?! (laughable). By the way, even Nate Silver wrote about the composition of the April Tea Party groups -- look it up. He didn't report that they were raving KKKers. (So all those who were/are angry about being smeared for having attended an April Tea Party, and as a result, having it alleged, that their attendance at an event is somehow evidence of being the equivalent of a card carrying member of some neo-Nazi group, imo, has every reason to be upset.) And, unless evidence is provided with respect to "well, the composition of all Tea Party's were obviously KKK", then it's not about "denial."

Next, there is a wholly separate issue and that is about the ORGANIZERs and who the Organizers are -- but that should NOT be conflated with "who attended a Tea Party" on April, 2009.

Just my 2 cents...from a detached and distanced view from Canada.

127 LGoPs  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:29:53pm

Later lizards......Gotta run. Have to brief a group of senior Army officers early tomorrow. Wish me luck........

128 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:30:07pm

re: #113 ShanghaiEd

I'll take your word on the racism and anarchism, but in honesty I have not so far seen photos of any Tea Party whose turnout is less white than your average GOP rally, which is very. Can you point me to examples?

Reports of the 700 or so tea parties across the country on the same day noted that they were not "all-white" affairs. Which is where my statement was derived from. If those reports were inaccurate, my bad.

cheers

eon

129 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:30:22pm

re: #127 LGoPs

Later lizards......Gotta run. Have to brief a group of senior Army officers early tomorrow. Wish me luck........

Nice knowing you...

//

130 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:30:28pm

re: #117 jcm

Gah!

I intensely dislike the welfare state. Mostly for what it does to people, secondly it cost so much for so little benefit.

I was once on welfare for a brief time. I hate the welfare system- it is a screw job. But for them to think it's only non-whites on welfare is wrong. There were many other white women in the welfare office with me. The welfare situation in this country has nothing to do with race and everything to do with government undermining the will of people to provide for themselves. I will not argue in favor of it to anyone- it makes you beholden to the state to live. But it is NOT race based.

131 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:30:47pm

re: #90 ihateronpaul


But don't worry, Hannity told me he is a Great American.

This afternoon Hannity had on Pat Robertson. After discussing Ahmadinejad's "crazy religious belief" about the Mahdi in the well, the rev began offering financial advice. (Buy gold and oil.)
I know Hannity does lots of good things for the troops but I'm done with him.

132 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:31:01pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

The issues I, as a white American, am facing are pretty much the same issues that all other Americans are facing. Rising unemployment, economic uncertainty, and crazy madmen in iran and north korea with WMDs. I fail to see how these don't affect all Americans equally. Racist bastards.

It has never occurred to me to identify as a "white American" even though I filled out several online job applications today, and they all wanted to know my race and ethnicity. I know a guy, born in Johannesburg, who checked off "African-American" and got fast-tracked to the affirmative action people, and when he walked into the job interview they freaked out. "You're not African American!" He said, "I was born in Africa and now I'm an American." He didn't get the job.

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:31:11pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

The issues I, as a white American, am facing are pretty much the same issues that all other Americans are facing. Rising unemployment, economic uncertainty, and crazy madmen in iran and north korea with WMDs. I fail to see how these don't affect all Americans equally. Racist bastards.

Being white and male puts me in the same position as the rest of America. And these bastards want me to betray my fellow citizens?

UP YOURS, ASSHOLES!

134 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:31:46pm

re: #125 Thanos

You're right that the MSM won't give them a pass like they did for ANSWER, Code pink, etc at the anti-war rallies. But I see a lot of conservatives willing to attend these rallies with the full knowledge of what they are and who's involved.

135 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:31:51pm

re: #127 LGoPs

Later lizards......Gotta run. Have to brief a group of senior Army officers early tomorrow. Wish me luck........


Can't senior Army officers afford their own briefs?
/h

136 pegcity  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:31:52pm

re: #132 Alouette

thats hilarious, but he was technically right.

137 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:31:52pm

Here's one; this guy sent me an abusive hate mail, so I blocked his IP -- then he sent this from a different computer (probably his work computer):

I finally got to another computer(please feel free to delete this IP
address,I would never visit you and the other dicks from this site
again)to see if there was some response to my email to you(I am the
white male from NY who wrote to you on April 29th).I was nothing but
pleasant in my address to you and your site and that is what you do to
someone you disagree with,holy shit,I really thought all those other
sites that were calling you out were probably full of shit but they are
right,you are a petulant little prick(with horrible taste in music).If
you can not see the point I was making there(a bit over the top but
sometimes you need an edge)maybe today's Drudge Report about Obama's
pick for the SC and her view of decision making of white males will put
it in your dumb little skull.I also got a kick out of the cretins on
your site and how they go after proper punctuation,I always thought libs
resorted to that because they could not back up their arguments but some
of the elitist clowns on your site need to do that as
well.Shameful,maybe you can tell your fellow ass hats when writing in
this tiny box you provide it is a pain in the ass to check for dotted
i's and crossed t's.So do me a favor Charles,go put some shitty Kings X
on your ipod jump on your bike and go get hit by a fucking bus. Fuck
you very much,Noel

138 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:32:58pm

re: #136 pegcity

thats hilarious, but he was technically right.

And that's the best kind of right to be, to quote Bureaucrat # 001, from Futurama.

139 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:03pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

Thank you, Sharmuta, for the fortitude to leave Welfare.
Huzzah!

140 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:04pm

re: #137 Charles

Charles ... man, he even dissed your taste in music ... low ...

141 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:17pm

re: #112 Guanxi88

I heard he went on a flight out West somewhere. Nobody's heard from him for a while.

Dagny?

142 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:33pm

re: #137 Charles

Hmmm....Doesn't like Kings X, eh?

143 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:45pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

And the reason I jumped to fascism is because of more than the victimhood mentality. It's coupled with racism, and that's fascist.

OK. Just don't want to get accused of being either.

144 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:55pm

re: #94 Charles

Definitely not a spoof. This is standard fare at RedState these days.

My list of blobs I used to read even if on a weekly basis and not daily used to be extensive. Now it is less than a handful, and half of those are showing signs of turning radical.

145 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:33:56pm

re: #141 Jim in Virginia

Dagny?

No, I hear he went looking for him, and he disappeared, too. Just rumors, you know.

146 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:34:01pm

re: #123 Charles

Too bad we can't harness hate mail as a cheap, plentiful source energy.

147 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:34:11pm
148 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:34:41pm

re: #81 Charles

At RedState: Jesus would have waterboarded.

From the link:

Many “alleged” Christians fail to see typical Christian responses to evil in the world. In the haste to stop the killing of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, thousands of Christians signed up to go and fight. But closely scrutinize who says Christians stood back and watched in silence.

There was "haste" to stop the Holocaust? In what alternate Universe?

149 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:11pm

re: #143 kansas

I wasn't trying to suggest you were. There is just a lot of revisionism with fascism going on as of late because of Jonah Goldberg.

150 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:13pm

re: #132 Alouette

It has never occurred to me to identify as a "white American" even though I filled out several online job applications today, and they all wanted to know my race and ethnicity. I know a guy, born in Johannesburg, who checked off "African-American" and got fast-tracked to the affirmative action people, and when he walked into the job interview they freaked out. "You're not African American!" He said, "I was born in Africa and now I'm an American." He didn't get the job.

I filled out a form this morning that asked that question. It has always irritated me, and today I almost clicked on "Native American" because I was born here.

But then I decided I'd probably be charged with fraud or something..not worth it.

151 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:17pm

re: #137 Charles

Here's one; this guy sent me an abusive hate mail, so I blocked his IP -- then he sent this from a different computer (probably his work computer):

He has a job?

152 ihateronpaul  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:18pm

re: #15 NelsFree

yes, I am "intolerant" for asserting my beliefs. So sorry. Am I being Politically Incorrect?

153 LGoPs  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:31pm

re: #103 NelsFree

I would emphasize that assimilation is the overall concept that has made America a great country. Diversity allows groups to retain their cultural identity; in some cases, it results in failure/refusal to assimilate.

Jumping back in for a minute.......You are very correct. which is why I said that our diversity is self evident. I think the constant emphasis and harping on it has become a dividing influence. What we need to emphasize is those things that unite us.

154 American Sabra  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:50pm

re: #137 Charles

OOoo I can feel the love way over here.

155 Bloodnok  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:53pm

re: #137 Charles

I love the stream-of-consciousness digression into the reasons why he can't use correct punctuation. I'm guessing it was eating him up inside.

156 bkgodfrey  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:36:18pm

re: #54 Charles

Two individuals who showed up with signs promoting Ron Paul and his crazy theories were shouted down at the Savannah, GA tea party march I attended and documented. Let's hope that at least some locales were willing to stand up to such wretched, despicable souls.

157 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:36:27pm

re: #155 Bloodnok

I love the stream-of-consciousness digression into the reasons why he can't use correct punctuation. .

Like Quentin on acid.

158 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:36:40pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

I see a lot of conservatives willing to attend these rallies with the full knowledge of what they are and who's involved.


I now have a fuller knowledge of what they are and who's involved. When IF I find neonazis, white nationals, or similar ilk, I shall ask them to leave, and loudly identify them to the crowd. Woot.

159 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #148 Alouette

There was "haste" to stop the Holocaust? In what alternate Universe?

Seems to me he;s maybe kinda bothered by the idea that Christians died, or that Jews survived, or both, and sort of compressed the timeline a bit to feed the anger. But then, I'm an awful cynic.

160 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:37:45pm

re: #137 Charles

Here's one; this guy sent me an abusive hate mail, so I blocked his IP -- then he sent this from a different computer (probably his work computer):

Well isn't that spashyul.

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:37:47pm

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

My list of blobs blogs I used to read even if on a weekly basis and not daily used to be extensive. Now it is less than a handful, and half of those are showing signs of turning radical.

Blobs/blogs....I really need more coffee. ;)

162 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:38:19pm

re: #161 FurryOldGuyJeans

Blobs/blogs....I really need more coffee. ;)

I'll take a cup, if you're going for some.

163 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:38:20pm

re: #119 Liberal Classic

I was initially excited about the bailout protests. I viewed them as ordinary people like me who wanted to express their frustration with the direction the government was taking. For Neo-nazis to use the momentum generated by the bailout protests to advance their agenda fills me with great anger and sadness. Because when the concepts of free enterprise and limited government become synonymous with racism and antisemitism, it all but guarantees a generation of dominance of the American political landscape by the authoritarian far-left.

I'm a pro-science, pro-defense libertarian. I can't stomach the Democrats because they are too socialist, the Republicans have managed to abandon fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, and the man most closely associated with libertarianism is an anti-Israel creationist. I am honestly at a total loss. I don't know which way to turn.

I don't know, I don't think us Democrats are as socialist as you think. I'm going to guess most Democrats reluctently supported the bailouts thinking that, but for the bailouts, the economy was going down the tubes. Last time I checked, hairy hippies and women studies professors weren't exactly thinking that their life-long dreams came true - corporate welfare for AIG, etc... . To be sure, prior to this past year, I bet the average person, Democrat or Republican had not previously had the word "bailout" in his vocabulary. Whether the bailouts are good or bad, I don't see my neighbors rejoicing.

164 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:38:48pm

re: #137 Charles

This Noel character seems to know so much about you and LGF for one who has only read about you elsewhere (as he claims). I suspect he's just an angry blocked former poster hoping to make himself feel better by emailing you repeatedly - knocking your musical taste. Poor baby.

165 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:39:11pm

re: #137 Charles

You should have brought the hamster down hard on him!
/from a previous thread, "hammer" = violent, "hamster" = less violent

166 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:39:17pm

re: #139 NelsFree

Thank you, Sharmuta, for the fortitude to leave Welfare.
Huzzah!

Well- I had to. They don't give you more than just barely enough to survive. I was able to do better on my own than what they provided. I just needed a temporary hand in keeping a roof over my head and some food in my belly. I didn't want to sign up in the first place.

167 Joo-LiZ  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:39:54pm

OT:

Michael J Totten speculates on the implications of a UN indictment against Hizballah in the Rafik Hariri assassination.

The story is based on information from anonymous sources “close to the tribunal” and documents of unknown authenticity. We don’t know yet if the lead is accurate. Intriguingly, though, the UN’s spokesperson for the Special Tribunal for Lebanon neither confirms nor denies Der Spiegel's report. If a potentially explosive accusation like this one were false, I’d expect the UN to deny it emphatically.

SNIP

Hariri’s son and Future Movement party leader Saad Hariri is being extraordinarily careful. “We will not comment on any press leaks that do not directly come from the Special Tribunal for Lebanon,” he said. Druze leader Walid Jumblatt, Hezbollah’s fiercest critic since Syria's ousting in 2005, is cautious too. “We cannot allow what the Der Spiegel magazine released on Saturday to become another Ain el-Remmaneh incident,” he said, referring to the Lebanese civil war’s trigger in 1975.

Leaders of the “March 14” bloc could hardly ask for a more effective political weapon against Hezbollah during the run-up to the election next month, but they also couldn’t ask for one that’s more dangerous. Jumblatt is right to invoke the incident that ignited the worst war in his country’s history. Accusing Hezbollah of assassinating Hariri – and, by implication, of assassinating a number of journalists and members of parliament in the meantime – could easily do to Lebanon what Al Qaeda’s Samarra mosque bombing in 2006 did to Iraq.

SNIP

All this raises the question: if Lebanon could plunge into war should “March 14” cite an unsourced report prematurely, what might happen if the UN officially indicts Hezbollah later?

SNIP

168 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:11pm

i'm looking forward to the tea party in N.Y.C. on july 4th.
it is really supposed to be a big deal and not affiliated w/ any unsavory elements.
i'll be looking forward to any 'white supremacists' who might show up.
i'll kick 'em in the shins.
i refuse to stay home and cower because some creeps think they can hi-jack
a great idea.
what a defeatist attitude, to think like that.
the 1st amendment is too important.
it is our right too.

169 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:12pm

re: #155 Bloodnok

I love the stream-of-consciousness digression into the reasons why he can't use correct punctuation. I'm guessing it was eating him up inside.

Why is it so damn hard to put a space after a comma?
Remember that guy that said he was a Doctor and couldn't write or spell? That normally his assist blogged for him but she was on vacation...

170 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:14pm

re: #137 Charles

Here's one; this guy sent me an abusive hate mail, so I blocked his IP -- then he sent this from a different computer (probably his work computer):

Classy!

171 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:15pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

You're right that the MSM won't give them a pass like they did for ANSWER, Code pink, etc at the anti-war rallies. But I see a lot of conservatives willing to attend these rallies with the full knowledge of what they are and who's involved.

Really? And exactly how do you know what they know? Are they telling you that they're fine with it? How many of the people that you ask are saying that? Are they friends of yours or are you randomly questioning people?

Not trying to be a smartass, I'd really like to know.

172 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:37pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

I wasn't trying to suggest you were. There is just a lot of revisionism with fascism going on as of late because of Jonah Goldberg.

Jonah Goldberg? What did I miss?

173 lawhawk  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:39pm

re: #123 Charles

Powell lecturing the GOP is strained to say the least given that he voted for Obama and campaigned against the GOP candidate. That's not exactly working to build the party from within.

He is right though that the GOP has to work on reaching out to moderates and independents, but he's not the guy to make that argument. Neither is McCain. Right now, there isn't anyone other than maybe Huntsman who can.

174 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:53pm

re: #163 flyers1974

flyers1974 ... if you voted Obama you are supported the far far left wing of the democrat party ... Progressives = Socialists name changed to to protect the vote ... whether you realize it or not ... they hiding ...

175 jvic  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:40:55pm

re: #23 Guanxi88

Exactly, and once the White race is united, then we can get down tot he serious business of splitting into factions along national origin and religious lines. Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, you mackerel-snapping Paddy!

I've wondered if this would happen in the theocratic right along sectarian lines.

My Whore of Babylon beats your mackerel-snapping Paddy.

176 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

Why is it so damn hard to put a space after a comma?
Remember that guy that said he was a Doctor and couldn't write or spell? That normally his assist blogged for him but she was on vacation...

The one with the British assistant? It was charming in its transparent pretension.

177 jcm  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:41:07pm

re: #164 unrealizedviewpoint

This Noel character seems to know so much about you and LGF for one who has only read about you elsewhere (as he claims). I suspect he's just an angry blocked former poster hoping to make himself feel better by emailing you repeatedly - knocking your musical taste. Poor baby.

Sounds like a Prussian Blue fan to me.

178 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:42:08pm

re: #60 Guanxi88

Hell, the Irish didn't become Americans; they were before they ever left their homeland. This is why we were able to assimilate them so quickly. They didn't change to accommodate America - America changed to accommodate them. One of the most amazing things in the history of this country, if you ask me. Universally hated by all the better sort, the Irish Catholics became dominant political, cultural, and business actors in one generation. The Irish were so successful that EVERYONE here loves to claim even the slightest bit of Irish ancestry.

We didn't assimilate them all that quickly; common signs in store windows were "Dogs and Irish Not Allowed" and "Help Wanted - No Irish Need Apply."

I think what finally changed that was the Civil War (Irish on both sides fought with distinction) and the transcontinental railroad. Of particular note in the "fought with distinction" category are the 69th New York and the CSA's Irish Brigade.

179 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:42:10pm

re: #164 unrealizedviewpoint

This Noel character seems to know so much about you and LGF for one who has only read about you elsewhere (as he claims). I suspect he's just an angry blocked former poster hoping to make himself feel better by emailing you repeatedly - knocking your musical taste. Poor baby.

This creep reminds me of all the clueless angry dweebs who posted on Usenet, back in the day.

180 shiplord kirel  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:42:27pm

Hmmm....the propaganda flyer with the baby looks to have been professionally produced. Anyone else noticed that racist propaganda has generally been going up-market the last few years? They have obviously been able to hire some slick media and PR talent.
There is a lot more money going into this than just a few years ago. I have to wonder where it is coming from.

181 Bloodnok  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:42:41pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

Why is it so damn hard to put a space after a comma?
Remember that guy that said he was a Doctor and couldn't write or spell? That normally his assist blogged for him but she was on vacation...

Oh man. I remember that one! Painful.

182 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:42:45pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Powell lecturing the GOP is strained to say the least given that he voted for Obama and campaigned against the GOP candidate. That's not exactly working to build the party from within.

He is right though that the GOP has to work on reaching out to moderates and independents, but he's not the guy to make that argument. Neither is McCain. Right now, there isn't anyone other than maybe Huntsman who can.

Thank you very much for that. McCain should have been plenty moderate for Powell. Course there was that icky conservative Palinhitler.

183 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:42:52pm

re: #175 jvic

I've wondered if this would happen in the theocratic right along sectarian lines.

My Whore of Babylon beats your mackerel-snapping Paddy.

It's inevitable, I think, that the theo-right would fracture in fairly short order. It would make the Civil War look like a neighborhood dispute at the HOA.

184 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:43:09pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

Your perspective seems to match the original purpose of welfare. Those who find it sufficient have almost no reason to leave.
I had an opportunity to go on unemployment many years ago. I declined, and have survived. I'm not wealthy; my personal honor is priceless.

185 Ojoe  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:43:20pm

The last part of the day on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The canyons show some depth. Towercam, Pacific time zone.

And who cares what color people are?

These people are living in the 20th century.

186 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:43:22pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Powell lecturing the GOP is strained to say the least given that he voted for Obama and campaigned against the GOP candidate. That's not exactly working to build the party from within.

He is right though that the GOP has to work on reaching out to moderates and independents, but he's not the guy to make that argument. Neither is McCain. Right now, there isn't anyone other than maybe Huntsman who can.

I agree, and I love the way the MSM was praising Obama for being brilliant enough to get Huntsman out of the way by sending him to China.

Cause, you know, no way could the guy COME BACK from China and run against him!

187 Joo-LiZ  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:44:30pm

Interesting (?) question:

In terms of this whole liberals vs conservatives thing... I was talking to my dad earlier and he brought up the argument that those are really the wrong "poles" to be making... and that political disputes (philosophically) tend to be more libertarian vs. communi-centric.

Thoughts?

188 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:44:34pm

re: #176 Guanxi88

The one with the British assistant? It was charming in its transparent pretension.

Yes..That one..He was getting shredded so bad and I was laughing so hard at him.
He should consider getting his British assistant back here pronto..

189 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:44:53pm

re: #132 Alouette


Am I the only one who gets a chill when I have to fill out a form and they insist I check a box labeled "White" for "Race"?

1. To me, "race"= "species". My "race" is defined as "Human", scientifically speaking.

2. If they're talking about "ethnicity", I'm a mixture of half the "ethnicities" in Europe, plus Native American. To fully describe my "ancestry" would take about a page and a half, not one little box. (Yes, I'm a mutt, and rather proud of that fact. We make the best dogs, you know. Arf.)

3. As for "complexion", I'm between a khaki (dirt color- kahaki is Hindi for "dust") and a sort of dirty pink. How that got called "white" I'll never know. My definition of "white" is between Michael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone and the comic character, Lady Death. And I don't look like either of them.

I think a lot of the obsession with "race", on all sides, comes from the compulsion bureaucracies seem to have to categorize everything into neat little boxes. And sooner or later, people who don't exercise common sense think that everything should be in neat, little boxes, and stacked up just one way, so to speak.

The trouble with this is, reality is never neat. Period.

cheers

eon

190 lawhawk  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:45:19pm

re: #167 Joo-LiZ

Hizbullah and Syria are bosom buddies, and Hizbullah has offices in Damascus, so it's not like there are no connections. The problem is that even if the UN report shows Hizbullah is responsible, what does that mean for Lebanon given that Hizbullah has won a virtual veto right over whatever the Lebanese government does by virtue of its thuggery (complicit with Syrian support).

The UN report is not going to change the facts on the ground, and UN failures have made it more difficult to go after those responsible for Hariri's assassination, and protect his party from further reprisals down the road.

Note, that even if it was Syria and not Hizbullah involved, it wouldn't change things one iota because the UN wasn't about to call for armed action against Damascus. Harshly worded letters might be about as strong as they got.

Meanwhile, the Lebanese people are stuck between Hizbullah in the South and the Syrians on the East, both of whom do not have the average Lebanese citizen's best interests in mind.

191 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:45:47pm

re: #184 NelsFree

Your perspective seems to match the original purpose of welfare. Those who find it sufficient have almost no reason to leave.
I had an opportunity to go on unemployment many years ago. I declined, and have survived. I'm not wealthy; my personal honor is priceless.

"Unemployment" is not welfare. When you get paid at your job, part of the money withheld from your check is unemployment insurance. If you're laid off, you're entitled to collect that money -- it's yours. You earned it by working.

192 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:46:34pm

re: #187 Joo-LiZ

Interesting (?) question:

In terms of this whole liberals vs conservatives thing... I was talking to my dad earlier and he brought up the argument that those are really the wrong "poles" to be making... and that political disputes (philosophically) tend to be more libertarian vs. communi-centric.

Thoughts?

The constrained and unconstrained visions.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Or- in a more easily grasped concept- the Enlightenment vs. the anti-Enlightenment.

193 Ojoe  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:46:47pm

re: #189 eon

I put down "Vulcan" once. For race. For one of my kids. On a school form.

Plus, any foreign language at home? (Klingon).

194 Joo-LiZ  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:48:05pm

re: #190 lawhawk

Totten's article is about that very fact.

He basically states that laying down the blame on Syria vs Hizballah will have a huge impact, because it has the potential to rile up the general population against Hizballah in such away that it will spark a bloodbath. So long as the people can pretend Hizballah is at least partially acting in Lebanese interest, they can ignore the Syrian connection.

I suggest the RTWT, I don't feel I am doing it justice.

195 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:48:08pm

re: #193 Ojoe

I put down "Vulcan" once. For race. For one of my kids. On a school form.

Plus, any foreign language at home? (Klingon).

My father once put down "athletic" by accident. Language thing.

196 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:48:11pm

The tea parties are ridiculous, how are they helping the conservative cause one bit? And now, we have white nationalists joining in like a free-for-all.

These tea parties are gifts to Bammy, and they will hurt the conservative cause more than help it, by far.

197 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:48:33pm
198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:49:39pm

re: #193 Ojoe

I put down "Vulcan" once. For race. For one of my kids. On a school form.

Plus, any foreign language at home? (Klingon).

Back when I was physically able to apply for work I would occasionally fill out applications for positions I knew I wasn't going to hired for anyway and give the following answers to questions:

Race - no, I get too tired.

Sex - Love it, want to have some right now?

199 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:49:42pm

I might have to find a Tea Party so that I can go poke the crazy.

200 lawhawk  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #191 Charles

And in many parts of the country, the unemployment funds set up to provide those benefits is tapped out - because of higher unemployment, and because the states underfunded/raided them.

The benefits are set by statute, and aren't exactly tied to the revenue taken in via the unemployment taxes withheld.

201 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:49:48pm

I am getting off to a bad start today...

Few things piss me off more than seeing Nazis in America...

I had about a day or go listened to an Israeli song on youtube. There was a particularly vile comment written. I wrote that perhaps there would be more peace if people could let music be music. I did not mention my faith or say anything particularly pejorative.

I got the following reply...

Oh man You are a great deceiver
Because you are a Jew
Deceive as Europe and America
But not anymore.
Now you are coming to the end as he had promised the Koran
Do you know why?
Because there is a war coming (Hermujdn)
The wood of this war!, you, Jews,
Palestine is not your land
It is the land of God

I am not used to seeing such marvelous evil directed specifically at me. I could not resist penning a reply.

How Charming...

There is no point in trying to reason with one as deluded or insane as you. I will say it like it is and you can wrestle with it or not. Palestine is a word that the Romans called the land after the Philistines, in an attempt to anger the true owners - the Jews.

Palestine does not exist. It is a fabrication. The word itself is a fabrication from an empire that has nothing to do with Arabs or Muslims - an empire that does not even exist anymore. By taking that name, you are too ignorant to realize that you affirm the true ownership of the land and the falseness of any claims you think that you might have.

Israel is the land of G-d. You are right about that. He gave that land to me and my people. We are home and we are there to stay. Where are the Philistines now? Where are the mighty armies of Alexander, or the Eqyptians who enslaved us, or the Romans? We were there with Jerusalem as our capital 1500 years before Mohammed was born. It will still be our capital 1500 years after evil fanatics like you are a nearly forgotten memory of a tragic barbaric past.

I scoff at you. I laugh at your threats to wipe us out. We have faced far more serious foes than you. They are all gone. We will be here someday looking at Islamists like you, much like we look at Rome and Egypt, or the Philisitines today.

You want to come and kill us all? Make us wood? You have tried that seven times. Each time, the Arab armies were crushed utterly. Now you cowardly jihadis do nothing but attack from behind the cover of women and children. You claim victories that you were not anihilated when we showed more mercy to those you hide behind then our anger towards you. You are nothing more than a small, smelly, little yapping dog. You are nothing. Your beliefs are false. Your ideas are meaningless. You do not scare me. You do not scare us. We would prefer to be left alone and live in our homeland in peace. Yet, animals like you keep trying to nip at our heels. If we must, we will crush you too.

Now, as you go to ululate and dream of raping virgins in heaven... My what barbaric animals you are that you think heaven consists of sex slaves as a reward for murder and suicide... just remember that we are not decieved by you. We do not believe your false prophecies or your false writings. We know that Islam once had a proud intellectual tradition that you do not represent. We know you are garbage and we know that the existence of creatures like you is a blemish on the Name of G-d.

We hope that one day, you will see reason and learn to join the human race, rather than live as dirty animals who tremble in fear from women so much that you must abuse them. We hope that someday, you will make achievements of your own, rather than leading the world in evil acts of terror and decapitation films. We hope so much that you could be our brother Ishamel rather than a curse on the civilized world.

But we also know that such things require a good heart and a good soul. You have neither. G-d and history will spit you out - just like Pharoah.

I could say the same for the Neo Nazis.

202 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:49:57pm

re: #191 Charles

"Unemployment" is not welfare. When you get paid at your job, part of the money withheld from your check is unemployment insurance. If you're laid off, you're entitled to collect that money -- it's yours. You earned it by working.

Wha-?! I WANT MY LAYOFF BACK!
/h

203 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:49:59pm

re: #168 nyc redneck

i'm looking forward to the tea party in N.Y.C. on july 4th.
it is really supposed to be a big deal and not affiliated w/ any unsavory elements.
i'll be looking forward to any 'white supremacists' who might show up.
i'll kick 'em in the shins.
i refuse to stay home and cower because some creeps think they can hi-jack
a great idea.
what a defeatist attitude, to think like that.
the 1st amendment is too important.
it is our right too.

Not all of us can get away with assault & battery like you can. Rather than kick him in the shins - maybe we can come up with some plan to counter them when encountered at the party?

204 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:50:13pm

re: #174 JacksonTn

flyers1974 ... if you voted Obama you are supported the far far left wing of the democrat party ... Progressives = Socialists name changed to to protect the vote ... whether you realize it or not ... they hiding ...

If Obama increased sanctions on say, Cuba, it would be wrong to claim he is a rock-ribbed conservative (based on this one hypothetical action.) Likewise, his moves via the economy (and I'm not now arguing pro or con) do not prove he is a socialist. I'd say this was done reluctently based upon a percieved emergency. While a bailout and capitalism are not usually thought of together, I could see a Nixon or Bush Sr. approving same, speculation obviously. While Nixon and Bush Sr., aren't today's republicans, nor were they socialists.

205 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:50:22pm

re: #193 Ojoe

I put down "Vulcan" once. For race. For one of my kids. On a school form.

Plus, any foreign language at home? (Klingon).

For sex, I put down "occasionally"

206 formercorpsman  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:50:33pm

re: #137 Charles

You know, in some strange way, one of the side items of your site I've always liked is the fact that correct grammar is pursued.

I make many mistakes, and they are pointed out. As they should be.

Seriously, that is one aspect I really like. I don't know about anyone else, but the whole abbreviation text talk thing truly grinds me.

Have a good night.

207 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:50:55pm
208 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:50:55pm

Shamelessly exploiting other groups for one's own ends is a useful way to get others to do the work for you. Why hold rallies for just a handful of interested folk when they're already going to attend a tea party of disgruntled Americans? If it doesn't work out, the NA can just up and walk away, no harm, no foul.

My concern however, is whether or not the NA and other vile groups will be able to hijack the tea parties altogether. I hope the event organizers are paying attention.

209 gmsc  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:51:34pm

re: #187 Joo-LiZ

Interesting (?) question:

In terms of this whole liberals vs conservatives thing... I was talking to my dad earlier and he brought up the argument that those are really the wrong "poles" to be making... and that political disputes (philosophically) tend to be more libertarian vs. communi-centric.

Thoughts?

You should read The Future and Its Enemies. Chapter 1 (excerpt available for free online here) talks about how the usual divisions (liberals vs. conservatives, libertarians vs. communists, etc.) get turned on their head when you least expect it.

The central thesis of the book is that all movements have people who are willing to let things grow and change dynamically, as well as people who want to maintain the status quo, and that this is the real division to watch.

210 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:52:04pm

re: #196 erraticsphinx

The tea parties are ridiculous, how are they helping the conservative cause one bit? And now, we have white nationalists joining in like a free-for-all.

These tea parties are gifts to Bammy, and they will hurt the conservative cause more than help it, by far.

Anything the conservatives do will be gifts to Obama because of the way the liberal media will pounce on it. So conservatives and those who are currently fed up shouldn't try to organize to show their disapproval because of who else decides to show up? Pretty much like surrendering to the Democrats. Guess that might be preferable, huh?

211 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:52:12pm

re: #204 flyers1974

If Obama increased sanctions on say, Cuba, it would be wrong to claim he is a rock-ribbed conservative (based on this one hypothetical action.) Likewise, his moves via the economy (and I'm not now arguing pro or con) do not prove he is a socialist. I'd say this was done reluctently based upon a percieved emergency. While a bailout and capitalism are not usually thought of together, I could see a Nixon or Bush Sr. approving same, speculation obviously. While Nixon and Bush Sr., aren't today's republicans, nor were they socialists.

flyers1974 ... will not engage ... Stand Firm On My Statement ... Progressive Democrats = Socialists ... he rode their backs in and he is and will repay the debts ... that is all ...

212 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:53:29pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Powell lecturing the GOP is strained to say the least given that he voted for Obama and campaigned against the GOP candidate. That's not exactly working to build the party from within.

He is right though that the GOP has to work on reaching out to moderates and independents, but he's not the guy to make that argument. Neither is McCain. Right now, there isn't anyone other than maybe Huntsman who can.

Re Powell, would the Democrats take advice from Joe Lieberman?
As for a spokesman- how about Indiana Gov Mitch Daniels.

213 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:54:02pm
214 kansas  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:54:12pm

re: #212 Jim in Virginia

Re Powell, would the Democrats take advice from Joe Lieberman?
As for a spokesman- how about Indiana Gov Mitch Daniels.

As I recall they just loved Zell Miller.

215 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:54:42pm
216 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:54:44pm

re: #191 Charles

"Unemployment" is not welfare. When you get paid at your job, part of the money withheld from your check is unemployment insurance. If you're laid off, you're entitled to collect that money -- it's yours. You earned it by working.

You are exactly right. One of the little nasty facts about a capitalistic economic system is that it *requires* a certain amount of unemployment. It keeps wages down. So long as businesses benefit by having a pool of unemployed people, hopefully temporarily low in number, it is incumbent for the government to provide benefits for them to, as the preamble clearly states, provide for the common good. It helps the pool and it helps the overall economy by keeping them in the loop as consumers, however diminished. This is what Clinton addressed with welfare reform in the mid '90's. He adopted what was a Republican idea and jammed it through a very hostile Democratic minority in Congress. But he was right to do so. Unemployment benefits should be a bridge until the business cycle rights itself.

217 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:55:29pm

re: #197 Iron Fist

Part of the problem is that the Democrats have been practicing "divide and conquer" for so long that we are a very fragmented society. Divisions that shouldn't exist have been played upon so much that they are chasms instead of cracks in the body politic. And that worked for them for many years. It is still working for them, in the sense that it helped them win election last year. Rich vs. poor, black vs. white, men vs. women, etc. has delivered power to them more often than not. A generation ago the Democrats were the racists standing (litterally) in the Schoolhouse door. Today 90%+ of the black vote goes to them. That is simply unreal to me. It's been slick (and sick) work, and it has paid off.

Now it looks like someone else is going to try a variation on that theme. It is too early to know if it is going to work for them. I have no doubt that they are going to show up to functions like this and try to spread their "word", but I'm not sure how receptive people are going to be to it. Part of that is going to be getting out the word of what they really are. ADL and SPLC aren't good vehicles for this. They don't have much credibility in the target demographic. They've cried "wolf!" too many times in order to help the Democrats to have any credibility on the Right. They'll say "Look, these people are White Supremacists", but that say that about just about anyone that isn't lockstep with them.

It is a real problem, and I don't know what the solution is.

Do you suppose that hard-core political tactics such as divide and conquer are the exclusive province of the Democrats?

218 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:56:43pm
219 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:57:09pm

re: #196 erraticsphinx

The tea parties are ridiculous, how are they helping the conservative cause one bit? And now, we have white nationalists joining in like a free-for-all.

These tea parties are gifts to Bammy, and they will hurt the conservative cause more than help it, by far.

"bammy" won't see the tea parties as gifts, no matter how the msm spins the massive display of disapproval of the messiah.
he is such a narcissist these gatherings are getting under his thin skin.

220 Joo-LiZ  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:57:12pm

re: #209 gmsc

Reminds me of that old saying, there are only two types of people: The sort that divides people into two types, and those who don't.

=P

221 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:58:29pm

re: #172 kansas

Jonah Goldberg? What did I miss?

A whole book, titled Liberal Fascism, in which he tried to extrapolate from Mussolini starting out as a member of the Italian Communist Party in the WW I period to a generalization that Fascism was in fact a "nationalist" form of Communism, and thus leftist, not rightist.

It's an easy error to make, largely due to many of the trappings of the German brand, which was heavily into non-Christian religions (they sought to revive Germanic paganism), as well as the obsession of the (here comes the word) Nazi leaders with things like Vegenism, "naturism", etc., which we now commonly identify with leftist extremism. (In fact, the left's primitivist impulses seem to have been derived from a weird cross-connection with the "UFO contactee" movement of the fifties- Google "Donald M. Ware".) Plus of course such oddities as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, in which Germany and the Soviet Union each tried to put one over on the other; as in most such cases, there can be only one winner, and it was the German side.

A temporary "alliance of convenience" and similarities in obsessions about bodily functions and the "proper place" of the individual in society do not make the two identical; it just means that both are equally insane, just each in their own way. And for radically different reasons best left to a doctoral dissertation (delivered when I'm fully awake).

cheers

eon

222 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:58:43pm

re: #201 LudwigVanQuixote

How Charming...

There is no point in trying to reason with one as deluded or insane as you. I will say it like it is and you can wrestle with it or not. Palestine is a word that the Romans called the land after the Philistines, in an attempt to anger the true owners - the Jews.

Palestine does not exist. It is a fabrication. The word itself is a fabrication from an empire that has nothing to do with Arabs or Muslims - an empire that does not even exist anymore. By taking that name, you are too ignorant to realize that you affirm the true ownership of the land and the falseness of any claims you think that you might have.

Israel is the land of G-d. You are right about that. He gave that land to me and my people. We are home and we are there to stay. Where are the Philistines now? Where are the mighty armies of Alexander, or the Eqyptians who enslaved us, or the Romans? We were there with Jerusalem as our capital 1500 years before Mohammed was born. It will still be our capital 1500 years after evil fanatics like you are a nearly forgotten memory of a tragic barbaric past.

I scoff at you. I laugh at your threats to wipe us out. We have faced far more serious foes than you. They are all gone. We will be here someday looking at Islamists like you, much like we look at Rome and Egypt, or the Philisitines today.

You want to come and kill us all? Make us wood? You have tried that seven times. Each time, the Arab armies were crushed utterly. Now you cowardly jihadis do nothing but attack from behind the cover of women and children. You claim victories that you were not anihilated when we showed more mercy to those you hide behind then our anger towards you. You are nothing more than a small, smelly, little yapping dog. You are nothing. Your beliefs are false. Your ideas are meaningless. You do not scare me. You do not scare us. We would prefer to be left alone and live in our homeland in peace. Yet, animals like you keep trying to nip at our heels. If we must, we will crush you too.

Now, as you go to ululate and dream of raping virgins in heaven... My what barbaric animals you are that you think heaven consists of sex slaves as a reward for murder and suicide... just remember that we are not decieved by you. We do not believe your false prophecies or your false writings. We know that Islam once had a proud intellectual tradition that you do not represent. We know you are garbage and we know that the existence of creatures like you is a blemish on the Name of G-d.

We hope that one day, you will see reason and learn to join the human race, rather than live as dirty animals who tremble in fear from women so much that you must abuse them. We hope that someday, you will make achievements of your own, rather than leading the world in evil acts of terror and decapitation films. We hope so much that you could be our brother Ishamel rather than a curse on the civilized world.

But we also know that such things require a good heart and a good soul. You have neither. G-d and history will spit you out - just like Pharoah.

I could say the same for the Neo Nazis.

I probably would've replied with a hearty "FUCK YOU" but, I like yours better.

223 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:59:04pm

re: #206 formercorpsman

You know, in some strange way, one of the side-effects items of your site which I've always liked is the fact that correct grammar is pursued always.

I make many mistakes, and they are pointed out, as they should be.

Seriously, that this is one aspect that I really like. I don't know about anyone else, but the whole abbreviation text talk thing truly grinds disturbs me.

Have a good night.

B+ See attractive female teacher after school for remedial...education!
/h

224 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:59:24pm

re: #222 MandyManners

w00t I'm one-third beast.

225 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:59:46pm

re: #210 kansas

I don't think not showing up to tea parties is surrendering to Democrats.
I have yet to see one major policy proposal from Republicans in the last six months.

Of course the "party of no" meme is unfairly dredged up by the media, where were they when democrats were frothing for 8 years on everything GWB did?

But at some time, you have to reflect inwards, figure out your core convictions and policies, and actually make your case in a coherent (not immature) fashion to the nation.

On the whole, the tea party movement is neither coherent nor mature. But that's just my opinion.

And also, I actually do think Obama loves them. They are huge distractions for conservatives, make them look silly while make him look "above the fray", and only serve to remove barriers to his agenda.

In 2010, no one will remember how many tea parties were held (especially not swing voters), but actually how the Republican Party as a whole presented a good alternative to Obama's radicalism.

226 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:00:37pm

re: #197 Iron Fist

I don't know, I guess. Until people decide they don't enjoy feeling like a victim not much will change. I've been through a good share of crap in life- I've never considered myself a victim. I was once told that it's all I wanted to be by someone. My friends got very angry when they heard this. They told me that they never saw me in such a way. We can be blind to things in ourselves, but I agreed with them. I'm not a victim, I'm a survivor. It's much more empowering. Until people want to feel that same sense of personal empowerment that being a survivor can bring you- we'll continue to see people taking advantage of "victims".

227 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:00:56pm

re: #171 moonstone

Eric Odom is a national organizer for the Tea Parties. He's a Paulian and manages webpages that host racist images while promoting the Tea Parties. Glenn Beck sponsors Tea Parties though his 9-12 groups, They are well versed in Birch society conspiracy theories. The Stormfront group mentioned in the ADL article above was stared quite a while ago and has been common knowledge around here. National organizers have done nothing about it. Jeff Frazee and Brendan Steinhauser, both involved in national Tea Party organizing from Ron Paul's "Campaing for Liberty" and Steve Forbes' "Freedom Works" have ties to White Nationalists and Neo Nazi groups. At this point the evidence is overwhelming.

228 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:00:58pm

re: #193 Ojoe

I put down "Vulcan" once. For race. For one of my kids. On a school form.

Plus, any foreign language at home? (Klingon).

Southeastern Ohio Appalachian, aka "Hillbilly".

/Close enough to Old Middle English to require a translator at times.

cheers

eon

229 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #222 MandyManners

That is kind of you... but you do have better manners than me :)

230 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:12pm

/*Sigh* I guess Ann Coulter wouldn't let me attend, as I am not 'perfected'.

Her Adam's apple must be quivering in fear as I type.

231 American Sabra  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #201 LudwigVanQuixote

I gotta tell ya, I've started to stay away from places like Youtube comments concerning anything Jewish or Israeli. Also more and more local news sites around the country are getting infiltrated with neo-Nazi scum. I don't know WHAT's up with that. Seems concentrated in certain areas I noticed. Complaining to the paper (reporting racial comments) sometimes works, sometimes not.

Remember Yahoo comments? Holy cow. They finally just cancelled the whole feature.

Anyway, I feel your pain.

232 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:28pm

Hey I don't see the anti war folk being afraid to demonstrate against the war because the Code Pink, Move On, ANSWER and other unsavory types latch onto the demonstrations. I will not be intimidated and I will attend the NYC rally and I am no Nazi supporter.

233 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:34pm

re: #197 Iron Fist

Part of the problem is that the Democrats have been practicing "divide and conquer" for so long that we are a very fragmented society. Divisions that shouldn't exist have been played upon so much that they are chasms instead of cracks in the body politic. And that worked for them for many years. It is still working for them, in the sense that it helped them win election last year. Rich vs. poor, black vs. white, men vs. women, etc. has delivered power to them more often than not. A generation ago the Democrats were the racists standing (litterally) in the Schoolhouse door. Today 90%+ of the black vote goes to them. That is simply unreal to me. It's been slick (and sick) work, and it has paid off.

Sorry, my man, but that is pure projection. The Dem's have always been a disorganized coalition that every once in a while gets its shit together and wins a national election. This has been especially true since '68 when the R's were very clear and committed to the "southern strategy which put together a coalition that won 8 out of 11 presidential elections.

234 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:37pm
235 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:01:59pm

re: #208 eclectic infidel

I hope the event organizers are paying attention.


They are and they don't care. It's possible that this was with intention for the national organizers.

236 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:02:23pm
237 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:03:10pm

re: #203 unrealizedviewpoint

Not all of us can get away with assault & battery like you can. Rather than kick him in the shins - maybe we can come up with some plan to counter them when encountered at the party?

i didn't see any creeps at the tax day tea party in the city. just thousands of decent american patriots. it was a remarkable gathering.
the 4th of july event is being organized by people, who i am told ,have nothing to do w/ low lifes.
if they show up, they won't define the message.
this whole negative, cowering in the basement, oh-no-don't-speak-up admonition is ridiculous.
why throw in the towel before the bell rings?

238 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:03:20pm
239 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:03:43pm

Here come the deniers.

240 Irenike  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:03:44pm

I have a proposal. Why not use the tea party gatherings as a battleground where the Jewish, minority and mainstream Republicans and Conservatives call out these "white supremacist" assholes?

The non-white participants will be easy to spot. The Jews can wear kipot and mogen David t-shirts. Then, they can confront these ass wipes and expose them for what they are.

The tea parties are a good idea. I participated in one, and it was a positive event. The fight isn't over. Why hand over a victory to the fringe loonies without even a fight? That is so un-American.

241 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:03:44pm

re: #232 Joel

Hey I don't see the anti war folk being afraid to demonstrate against the war because the Code Pink, Move On, ANSWER and other unsavory types latch onto the demonstrations. I will not be intimidated and I will attend the NYC rally and I am no Nazi supporter.

Now Medea Benjamin does tea parties instead.

242 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:04:21pm
243 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:04:25pm

re: #230 NY Nana

/*Sigh* I guess Ann Coulter wouldn't let me attend, as I am not 'perfected'.

Her Adam's apple must be quivering in fear as I type.

With all respects - Ann Coulter (for whatever faults she might have) is a better friend of the Jews and of Israel then anyone on the Left. I don't give a shit if she thinks that I am not perfected by not being a Christian. That's like saying I am not grateful to the person who found and returned my dog because they only did it for the reward money.

244 formercorpsman  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:04:29pm

re: #216 austin_blue

I know I signed off earlier, but I will make one last post.

The road to hell is paved with good intent. I think a safety net is not a bad thing. Having said that, just like other government programs, there are people out there who work harder to game the system than they would at their place of employment.

Every day, I deal with people who feel entitled to everything under the sun. It is often a cycle businesses would use during a layoff. I have patients who pursue losing their jobs almost every summer, if not getting temporary disability every summer for some time off.

I never went to school to be conscripted into the welfare state as a pencil pusher. I could go on for days, and some of it would seem comical. But some of it is so bad, these people have no shame in coming right out and telling you they are gaming the system. Right to my face.

I don't know what the answer is, but I will tell you, it is abused, and abused badly.

245 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:04:46pm

re: #34 Guanxi88

As someone who grew up in an Irish neighborhood in NYC I resemble that comment!

246 formercorpsman  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:04:52pm

re: #244 formercorpsman

Nels, I'll check this tomorrow.

Have a good night.

247 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:05:16pm

Not everyone who says they're on your side are.

248 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:06:02pm

re: #242 taxfreekiller

Your local Tea Party is sponsored by Ron Paul himself along with the local chapter of Glenn Beck's 9-12 movement. Go ahead and post the link so everybody can see who you're going to spend July 4th with.

249 researchok  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:06:23pm

As Charles has noted, using the Tea Party as a recruitment tool for Stormfront, et al, is another example of the 'Entryism' phenomena.

250 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:06:34pm
251 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:06:53pm

re: #232 Joel

Hey I don't see the anti war folk being afraid to demonstrate against the war because the Code Pink, Move On, ANSWER and other unsavory types latch onto the demonstrations. I will not be intimidated and I will attend the NYC rally and I am no Nazi supporter.

FYI - ANSWER is usually the organization that organizes the anti-war demonstrations in the first place. All other leftist organizations usually latch on to the ANSWER mob, including the cretins from World Can't Wait.

252 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:07:03pm

re: #222 MandyManners

Mandy! Finally! Now, about dancing like Britney Spears...
/hiding

253 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:07:50pm
254 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:07:56pm

This isn't horrible Ron Paul types hijacking tea parties.....Horrible Ron Paul types started the tea parties, and people with nothing to do with them fell for it.

255 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:08:59pm
256 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:09:06pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Eric Odom is a national organizer for the Tea Parties. He's a Paulian and manages webpages that host racist images while promoting the Tea Parties. Glenn Beck sponsors Tea Parties though his 9-12 groups, They are well versed in Birch society conspiracy theories. The Stormfront group mentioned in the ADL article above was stared quite a while ago and has been common knowledge around here. National organizers have done nothing about it. Jeff Frazee and Brendan Steinhauser, both involved in national Tea Party organizing from Ron Paul's "Campaing for Liberty" and Steve Forbes' "Freedom Works" have ties to White Nationalists and Neo Nazi groups. At this point the evidence is overwhelming.

Well, I can almost guarantee you that the average Tea Party attendee has/had no idea of the politics of the national organizers (as a matter of fact, I don't think we had any "national" organizers here at ours). You're making some pretty big leaps in your effort to discredit conservatives.

Which, of course, is your right. But it affects your credibility.

257 ShanghaiEd  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:10:25pm

re: #234 taxfreekiller

there is division going on on this thread , IMO

Is not! :)

258 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:10:53pm

re: #244 formercorpsman

I know I signed off earlier, but I will make one last post.

The road to hell is paved with good intent. I think a safety net is not a bad thing. Having said that, just like other government programs, there are people out there who work harder to game the system than they would at their place of employment.

Every day, I deal with people who feel entitled to everything under the sun. It is often a cycle businesses would use during a layoff. I have patients who pursue losing their jobs almost every summer, if not getting temporary disability every summer for some time off.

I never went to school to be conscripted into the welfare state as a pencil pusher. I could go on for days, and some of it would seem comical. But some of it is so bad, these people have no shame in coming right out and telling you they are gaming the system. Right to my face.

I don't know what the answer is, but I will tell you, it is abused, and abused badly.

I agree! But solving the problem to that abuse, which is relatively (I'll repeat *relatively* rare) is not to crash the system as a whole. People are *hurting* out there right now. We all need to help them get through it. It's the Social Contract on which this country was built. Which makes America the country it is. We pull together. It is why we were rightfully described by Reagan as the shining City on the Hill.

259 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:11:01pm

re: #256 moonstone

He has every right to point out the organizers. Feigning ignorance is not a good strategy for an opposition.

260 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:11:04pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

Really, I doubt it. She is a total lefty and a natural B. Hussein Urkel supporter. Hey if you think that the government spending of trillions of dollars and mortgaging your childrens futures is fine then say so. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't label those of us who are deeply worried and pessimistic about the wild spending and deficits being run up by this neophyte Socialist (who spends like a drunken, horny sailor on a Saturday night after getting paid) as Nazis and Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan acolytes because that is a flipping lie.

261 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:11:34pm

re: #243 Joel

Sorry, Joel, if I ever saw her? I would spit in her face. Only a Jew hater would say the following. She can get stuffed, the bitch.

262 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:11:43pm

re: #231 American Sabra

They are very organized in their approach actually. It only takes a couple of dedicated haters with computers to spew bile all day long. Much spam can be sent out.

There is not point really in complaining to You Tube, they really really don't care - unless a couple of thousand people complain about something.

There is little point in trying to sway the writers. The only thing that makes sense is to let them know that you know what they are and that you are not scared of them. The essence of Neo-Nazi scum and Jihadi filth is playing on the fears and terrors of people. They scare people into believing them or at least acquiescing.

If people get up and publicly say, we are on to you. We are not scared. They loose their power. If they are in a position to silence people from saying such things, they have won.

263 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:11:50pm

re: #240 Irenike

Did you forget your /sarc tag?

264 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:12:03pm

re: #56 reine.de.tout

Constitution Party. Scary stuff. Lot's of theocracy crap permeates their thinking. Not a good thing.

265 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:12:18pm
266 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:12:28pm

re: #256 moonstone

Well, I can almost guarantee you that the average Tea Party attendee has/had no idea of the politics of the national organizers (as a matter of fact, I don't think we had any "national" organizers here at ours). You're making some pretty big leaps in your effort to discredit conservatives.

Which, of course, is your right. But it affects your credibility.

I don't think Killgore is trying to discredit conservatives. He's trying to point out kooks. I'm a conservative in the mold of Barry Goldwater- the founder of the modern conservative movement, which is sadly dead. Killgore has told me he likes Goldwater, so I fail to see how he's trying to discredit conservatives. In fact, were Senator Goldwater alive today, you bet your sweet bippy he'd be denouncing these nazis and other kooks.

267 lawhawk  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:12:35pm

Developing: North Korea is restarting their nuclear power facilities, and they launched another missile.

Unclenched. Indeed.

268 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:12:37pm

re: #242 taxfreekiller

Here goes the tea party hate posters.

LOL, i love the tea parties.
of course in this town it is just abt. the only sense of community i have.
it so refreshing to see that there are actually quite a few people in the city coming to their senses.
so the tea parties are serving a great purpose of bring people together in in
many places.

269 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:13:06pm
270 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:13:33pm

re: #260 Joel

Uh- no. She attended a tea party, and it was a front page post at LGF when she did.

271 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:13:46pm

re: #267 lawhawk

Developing: North Korea is restarting their nuclear power facilities, and they launched another missile.

Unclenched. Indeed.


And this time when they ask for blood money to temporarily act less crazy, I wonder if O will give them stuff?

272 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:02pm

re: #229 LudwigVanQuixote

That is kind of you... but you do have better manners than me :)

HA!

273 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:05pm

re: #270 Sharmuta

Uh- no. She attended a tea party, and it was a front page post at LGF when she did.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

274 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:19pm

re: #259 erraticsphinx

He has every right to point out the organizers. Feigning ignorance is not a good strategy for an opposition.

I'm sorry, who is "feigning" ignorance?

275 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:28pm

re: #256 moonstone


re: #171 moonstone

I'm kind of going out on a limb, here, so: Moonstone, don't worry about Killgore. He's the Joe Biden of LGF.
/too much?

276 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:34pm

re: #260 Joel

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You don't have to believe me though. Carry on.

277 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:34pm
278 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:41pm

re: #94 Charles

Definitely not a spoof. This is standard fare at RedState these days.

Well, there's only one problem with blanket declarations like this:

Those “kangaroo” Christians seem to forget who came up with the Emancipation Proclamation (Lincoln{Christian}), or a Congress of mostly Christian Republicans who passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution—mainstays for all Blacks today.

I think the writer of that article overlooked something that might shoot down his theory.

Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and Robert Edward Lee were very devout Christians. Lee's chief of artillery was a parson. There are literally thousands of other examples, but let's stick with Lee.

He was a true gentleman, with no known vices -- he didn't drink or smoke, nor did he chase women or read novels. The war ended as peaceably as it did because Lee took the loss to be God's will, and his example set the tone for the rest of his army.

He knew that he was fighting for a tainted cause, and he knew he would pay dearly for breaking his vow, but he could not stand idly by when his home was invaded (fat lot of good that did him - Arlington National Cemetery is what remains of his front yard).

The author may also be overlooking the inconvenient fact that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave. As a propaganda move, it was brilliant, but it only applied to the states that were in rebellion, who weren't going to listen to him in any case. Border states that remained in the Union were not affected by it.

279 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:14:50pm

re: #251 eclectic infidel

FYI - ANSWER is usually the organization that organizes the anti-war demonstrations in the first place. All other leftist organizations usually latch on to the ANSWER mob, including the cretins from World Can't Wait.

True, however there are a lot of sincere people who are none Marxists who attend anti war demonstartions.

280 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:01pm

re: #255 Iron Fist

Of course not, but the Democrats have turned it into an art form. They've been using it all of my life. Most likely they were using it before I was born. I don't expect them to quit using it as things go forward. It has worked for them.

When the Republicans took power in 1994, it was as much revulsion at Bill Clinton's hard-Left Presidency as it was the GOPs contract with America, but it wasn't the GOP dividing us. Clinton pushed through unpopular (except with Leftists) gun control, and crashed and burned on his attempt at socialized medicine. The GOP actually offered a way forward, and they won on it. Clinton tracked back to the center, and managed to win a plurality of the vote in a three-way contest.

The Democrats waited for the next Presidential election and then used some of the most vile, racially divisive commercials against Bush that have ever been used in American politics. They specifically tied him to the lynching of James Byrd, as though he had responsibility for the act. Vile is the only word for it. Fortunately, they lost.

After 9-11, they gave lip service to national unity, but that was only because they had no real choice. The voters would have turned them out en masse if they hadn't. That only lasted until the invasion of Iraq (and was never really serious. They were simply biding their time). Since then, they've had the division of America first and foremost in their minds. They've worked incessantly to divide public opinion on the war and on Islamic Fascism that in only a few short years, they've sufficiently snowed enough of the populace that they were able to elect Obama on an empty platform of hope (in what?) and change (to what?) and vauge promises that are now going to come due. They used the anti-American Left as their stalking horse, and now the price for that is coming due.

Did people such as Karl Rove, Lee Atwater and James Baker play fair, politically speaking? Were they "fairer" than their Democratic counterparts? I see your example James Byrd. What are your thoughts on Willie Horton?

281 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:05pm

re: #222 MandyManners

I probably would've replied with a hearty "FUCK YOU" but, I like yours better.

LOL, you're a bloody shocka, girl, I luv ya!

282 eon  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:23pm

re: #267 lawhawk

Developing: North Korea is restarting their nuclear power facilities, and they launched another missile.

Unclenched. Indeed.

They only unclench one finger. And it's always the same one.

Well, I'm off for tonight, as I'm having to correct too many typos.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

283 Irenike  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:26pm

re: #263 NelsFree

Did you forget your /sarc tag?

No.

284 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:27pm

re: #252 NelsFree

Mandy! Finally! Now, about dancing like Britney Spears...
/hiding

I'll have you know that in my day, I coulda' shown that little tart a thing or two about fancy foot-work, sonny.

285 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:32pm

re: #277 Iron Fist

That isn't a surprise. They can smell weakness a mile away. What is Obama going to do? Cry?

He'll make a few more speeches, saying absolutely nothing, and then off to another event where he can appear presidential and receive the praise, accolades, and affirmation he never received as a child.

286 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:53pm

re: #271 LudwigVanQuixote

And this time when they ask for blood money to temporarily act less crazy, I wonder if O will give them stuff?

He will give them Type O blood money. I'm Positive.
/h

287 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:15:55pm

re: #273 jaunte

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ya beat me to it!

288 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:16:00pm

Living on past the election
Watching the loons
Living on past tax day
Denying the loons
In the age of the tea party
Resisting the loons

289 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:16:34pm

re: #284 MandyManners

And, yes, I spike my Geritol with Basil Hayden's.

290 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:16:40pm

re: #286 NelsFree

He will give them Type O blood money. I'm Positive.
/h

With the expected inflation, it might be a bargain for us.

291 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:16:43pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

I don't think Killgore is trying to discredit conservatives. He's trying to point out kooks. I'm a conservative in the mold of Barry Goldwater- the founder of the modern conservative movement, which is sadly dead. Killgore has told me he likes Goldwater, so I fail to see how he's trying to discredit conservatives. In fact, were Senator Goldwater alive today, you bet your sweet bippy he'd be denouncing these nazis and other kooks.

But that's my point. Neither of you is correct in declaring that the tea parties and their participants are all "kooks." However much you would like it to be true.

292 pink freud  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:16:50pm

re: #284 MandyManners

I'll have you know that in my day, I coulda' shown that little tart a thing or two about fancy foot-work, sonny.

Mandy, I have zero doubt that you are still "in your day".

Kick ass, darlin.

293 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:16:58pm

re: #270 Sharmuta

Everyone's jockeying to get in front at the Tea Parties. I read a poster at Stormfront saying that they needed to find out what people wanted to hear, so they could be the ones leading in that direction.

294 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:17:18pm

re: #289 MandyManners

And, yes, I spike my Geritol with Basil Hayden's.

I think you've got that backward; should be the other way around.

295 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:17:49pm

"tea-bagging", the new racist recruitment tool.................

296 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

I don't think Killgore is trying to discredit conservatives. He's trying to point out kooks. I'm a conservative in the mold of Barry Goldwater- the founder of the modern conservative movement, which is sadly dead. Killgore has told me he likes Goldwater, so I fail to see how he's trying to discredit conservatives. In fact, were Senator Goldwater alive today, you bet your sweet bippy he'd be denouncing these nazis and other kooks.


Barry Goldwater was called a ruthless war mongering fascist by the Left/Liberals that Killgore Trout seems to be ideologically in tune with.

297 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:18:12pm

re: #180 shiplord kirel

Hmmm....the propaganda flyer with the baby looks to have been professionally produced. Anyone else noticed that racist propaganda has generally been going up-market the last few years? They have obviously been able to hire some slick media and PR talent.
There is a lot more money going into this than just a few years ago. I have to wonder where it is coming from.

Not so much. You can do as much with MS Word or PageMaker. I could probably whip up something very similar, using Word's default settings (shades of the throbbing document!) in less than 20 minutes.

298 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:18:24pm

Don't be surprised to see Code Pink latching on to the Paulians as the have an anti-war agenda in common. Not quite so diametrically opposed as you would think.

299 ShanghaiEd  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:18:46pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

i didn't see any creeps at the tax day tea party in the city. just thousands of decent american patriots. it was a remarkable gathering.
the 4th of july event is being organized by people, who i am told ,have nothing to do w/ low lifes.
if they show up, they won't define the message.
this whole negative, cowering in the basement, oh-no-don't-speak-up admonition is ridiculous.
why throw in the towel before the bell rings?

I'm curious as to how you can determine a "creep" purely by visual inspection. For example, the vast majority of white supremacists don't have skinheads. Most of them look a lot like me. Or, I'd wager, you.

300 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:18:59pm

Wow, what was wrong with my 254 that deserved such downdings.

What exactly was not true about that?

301 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:17pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

Don't be surprised to see Code Pink latching on to the Paulians as the have an anti-war agenda in common. Not quite so diametrically opposed as you would think.

For starters, they both hate the Juice.

302 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:28pm

The only tea parties I attend are the ones with butlers and KCBs.

303 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:55pm

Gosh.... I sure hope I'll be smart enough not to be suckered into becoming a white supremacist if I protest our economic policies in July.

After all, some of you seem to think we all turned into stealth Paulinians for protesting in April... even though there was not ONE Ron Paul sign at the protest I attended.

/////

304 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:57pm

re: #300 erraticsphinx

Are you a Paultard? Spit it out.

305 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:57pm

re: #291 moonstone

But that's my point. Neither of you is correct in declaring that the tea parties and their participants are all "kooks." However much you would like it to be true.

Uh- organized by kooks. No one, and I mean no one, has called all of the participants kooks. Far from it. Killgore has been sounding the alarm about the kooks, and his thanks for this is constant belittlement.

306 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:58pm

re: #289 MandyManners

And, yes, I spike my Geritol with Basil Hayden's.

Britney Spears Dances? I thought that she just jerked and Strutted around to the beat..

307 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:19:59pm
308 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:20:05pm

re: #302 Cato the Elder

The only tea parties I attend are the ones with butlers and KCBs.

CtE ... what is a KCB? ...

309 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:20:13pm

re: #284 MandyManners

I'll have you know that in my day, I coulda' shown that little tart a thing or two about fancy foot-work, sonny.

1. Post on YouTube
2. Rent local "Art" Theatre
3. Times Square, anytime

All possible venues for you, Mandy Dear! Just say when and where...
/v

310 theheat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #210 kansas

Some of the objections are valid, but you don't throw your hat in the ring with every traveling freak show who happens to agree with you about some things.

Remember the Momma Sheehan anti-war get-togethers? You had Code Pink and every other fringe group, all hanging out together, because they all shared a fundamental opposition to the war. Honestly, I'd have had more respect for crazy Momma Sheehan if she'd kicked their asses to the curb, and told them it wasn't their cause to hijack. But she didn't, of course.

These tea parties are a recruiting ground for assholes and extremists. There isn't a conspiracy theory they don't love or a color of skin they don't hate.

311 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:20:33pm

re: #302 Cato the Elder

The only tea parties I attend are the ones with butlers and KCBs.

Scrambled eggs, sardines, toast with marmalade, and a good pot of strong black tea.

312 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:20:55pm

re: #301 Alouette

For starters, they both hate the Juice.

True dat.

313 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:02pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

The neo-nazis approve of isolationism because they think "foreign wars benefit the Jews."

314 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:35pm

re: #313 jaunte

The neo-nazis approve of isolationism because they think "foreign wars benefit the Jews."

And because it draws away resources that could be used for "relocation" efforts.

315 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:41pm

re: #275 NelsFree

Thanks for the tip. Hope you don't get in trouble for it!

After all, Joe Biden is a very likable guy.

316 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:45pm

re: #300 erraticsphinx

Wow, what was wrong with my 254 that deserved such downdings.

What exactly was not true about that?

Thanks for pointing me to it so I could downding it.

317 ShanghaiEd  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:48pm

re: #291 moonstone

But that's my point. Neither of you is correct in declaring that the tea parties and their participants are all "kooks." However much you would like it to be true.

Who said "all kooks"? Nobody I heard.

318 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:48pm

I have been wracking my brain for the proper insult to Neo-Nazi scum and Jihadist garbage.

Because, seriously, the four letter words are not useful in general consumption and frequently get one dismissed unless talking to friends and words like swine, filth, garbage, scum etc.. simply do not come close to representing the full well of my anger disdain and disgust.

From now on, unless Charles deems it too vile, I shall refer to them as sootikins. Given what a sootikin is, it will be particularly appropriate for the jihadis. The neo nazis would not be bothered to look it up.

So I wish to say to all of the vomitous neo nazi and jihadi sootikins out there... PEACE :)

319 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:21:54pm

Waiting for an answer, Joel and Alouette.re: #304 Alouette

What exactly would lead you to make that statement?

Did you actually read my 254 before downdinging it?

320 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:22:09pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

Sad that his son is a Ron Paul supporter....

321 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:22:09pm

re: #300 erraticsphinx

Wow, what was wrong with my 254 that deserved such downdings.

What exactly was not true about that?

Are you really so stupid that you think people wouldn't be upset over the economic policies of the last 8 months unless RP were yanking our chains?

Doesn't say much about you, does it?

322 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:22:10pm

it is too soon to squelch the tea parties as a viable means of speaking out against o and his massive scheme to tax us into the ground.
i don't think there are enough paul bots and nazis to take over the tea parties and commander us off the cliff into fascism.
we had 12,500 (police estimate) people at the manhattan rally.
not a goose stepping seig heiling s.o.b anywhere.
lots of american flags waving. lots of patriotic signs held high.
it was nice.

323 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:22:15pm

Late to the thread, but here goes-I attended 2 tea parties in my area--all I saw were ordinary people galvanized bycommon thing. Never thought about any unsavory types trying to hijack this movement until recently.

I support the premise, and at my very LOCAL level have done my best to make the organizers aware of what's been happening. As of now, there's an awareness that some of the people aren't the ones you'd wish to be associated with. That IS being pished forward, to my understanding.

Doubt that that scum will gain any traction--IF it's pointed out who and what they are. I'd bet heavy money the Paulians and Stormfront will remain fringe players.

And if I'm wrong, I'll come on this blog and publically admit it.

324 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote

eck! I've always called them autocoprophages.

325 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:23:18pm

re: #317 ShanghaiEd

Who said "all kooks"? Nobody I heard.

No one.

326 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:23:27pm

re: #280 flyers1974

Did people such as Karl Rove, Lee Atwater and James Baker play fair, politically speaking? Were they "fairer" than their Democratic counterparts? I see your example James Byrd. What are your thoughts on Willie Horton?

I don't believe that Al Gore should have used Willie Horton against Michael Dukakis like he did. Very vicious primary.

327 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:23:40pm

OT - Going to be in Berkeley Thursday through Sunday. First round's on me.

328 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:24:38pm

re: #201 LudwigVanQuixote

I am getting off to a bad start today...

Few things piss me off more than seeing Nazis in America...

I had about a day or go listened to an Israeli song on youtube. There was a particularly vile comment written. I wrote that perhaps there would be more peace if people could let music be music. I did not mention my faith or say anything particularly pejorative.

I got the following reply...

Oh man You are a great deceiver
Because you are a Jew
Deceive as Europe and America
But not anymore.
Now you are coming to the end as he had promised the Koran
Do you know why?
Because there is a war coming (Hermujdn)
The wood of this war!, you, Jews,
Palestine is not your land
It is the land of God

I am not used to seeing such marvelous evil directed specifically at me. I could not resist penning a reply.

How Charming...

There is no point in trying to reason with one as deluded or insane as you. I will say it like it is and you can wrestle with it or not. Palestine is a word that the Romans called the land after the Philistines, in an attempt to anger the true owners - the Jews.

Palestine does not exist. It is a fabrication. The word itself is a fabrication from an empire that has nothing to do with Arabs or Muslims - an empire that does not even exist anymore. By taking that name, you are too ignorant to realize that you affirm the true ownership of the land and the falseness of any claims you think that you might have.

Israel is the land of G-d. You are right about that. He gave that land to me and my people. We are home and we are there to stay. Where are the Philistines now? Where are the mighty armies of Alexander, or the Eqyptians who enslaved us, or the Romans? We were there with Jerusalem as our capital 1500 years before Mohammed was born. It will still be our capital 1500 years after evil fanatics like you are a nearly forgotten memory of a tragic barbaric past.

I scoff at you. I laugh at your threats to wipe us out. We have faced far more serious foes than you. They are all gone. We will be here someday looking at Islamists like you, much like we look at Rome and Egypt, or the Philisitines today.

You want to come and kill us all? Make us wood? You have tried that seven times. Each time, the Arab armies were crushed utterly. Now you cowardly jihadis do nothing but attack from behind the cover of women and children. You claim victories that you were not anihilated when we showed more mercy to those you hide behind then our anger towards you. You are nothing more than a small, smelly, little yapping dog. You are nothing. Your beliefs are false. Your ideas are meaningless. You do not scare me. You do not scare us. We would prefer to be left alone and live in our homeland in peace. Yet, animals like you keep trying to nip at our heels. If we must, we will crush you too.

Now, as you go to ululate and dream of raping virgins in heaven... My what barbaric animals you are that you think heaven consists of sex slaves as a reward for murder and suicide... just remember that we are not decieved by you. We do not believe your false prophecies or your false writings. We know that Islam once had a proud intellectual tradition that you do not represent. We know you are garbage and we know that the existence of creatures like you is a blemish on the Name of G-d.

We hope that one day, you will see reason and learn to join the human race, rather than live as dirty animals who tremble in fear from women so much that you must abuse them. We hope that someday, you will make achievements of your own, rather than leading the world in evil acts of terror and decapitation films. We hope so much that you could be our brother Ishamel rather than a curse on the civilized world.

But we also know that such things require a good heart and a good soul. You have neither. G-d and history will spit you out - just like Pharoah.

I could say the same for the Neo Nazis.

LUDWIG'S JIHAD HAMMER

329 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:24:46pm

re: #326 Truck Monkey

I don't believe that Al Gore should have used Willie Horton against Michael Dukakis like he did. Very vicious primary.

Very divisive, that Al Gore.

330 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:25:00pm

I suggest that everyone watch the Independent Film Channel's "New World Order."

It's on now in CA. It has a lot of footage of Alex Jones that will blow your mind.

Pure insanity.

331 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:25:02pm

re: #292 pink freud

Mandy, I have zero doubt that you are still "in your day".

Kick ass, darlin.

I'd rather grab ass but, well, there ya' go.

332 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:25:19pm
333 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:25:28pm

re: #294 Guanxi88

I think you've got that backward; should be the other way around.

50/50

334 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:25:47pm

re: #327 jamgarr

OT - Going to be in Berkeley Thursday through Sunday. First round's on me.

I feel they have the best Chinese food in all the bay area...

335 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:25:57pm

re: #289 MandyManners

How about Basil Fawlty?

336 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:26:05pm
337 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:26:23pm

I'm not all that sure that there's anything about the Tea Parties that even makes them worth hijacking by anyone for anything.

Great, folk are pissed about taxes and spending. So what? Who cares, when you get right down to it? You think our lords and masters are quaking in their loafers to learn that people for whom they do not care, to whom they are not accountable, and from whom they can take as they wish, really care that the marks are angry?

With that said, though, Nazis, "White Nationalists" and Paulians piss me off mightily.

338 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:26:35pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

Don't be surprised to see Code Pink latching on to the Paulians as the have an anti-war agenda in common. Not quite so diametrically opposed as you would think.

Now *that* would surprise me. Those women research before making official alliances. They may be a little bit out there(okay, often, a lot), but they aren't gullible on the national level.

339 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #319 erraticsphinx

Waiting for an answer, Joel and Alouette.

What exactly would lead you to make that statement?

Did you actually read my 254 before downdinging it?

This isn't horrible Ron Paul types hijacking tea parties.....Horrible Ron Paul types started the tea parties, and people with nothing to do with them fell for it.

That whole statement is false.

340 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:26:56pm

re: #81 Charles

Lincoln = Christian? Not by a long shot. Though I do think he was our greatest president. This redstate nut gets history as bad as he gets his theology. Makes sense though. Blood lust does have an effect on the thinking process.

341 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:27:14pm

re: #330 Charles

I suggest that everyone watch the Independent Film Channel's "New World Order."

It's on now in CA. It has a lot of footage of Alex Jones that will blow your mind.

Pure insanity.

Here's a preview clip:
[Link: sxsw.com...]

342 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:27:16pm

re: #333 MandyManners

50/50

Oh, cutting back, for health reasons. Got it.

343 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:27:23pm

re: #299 ShanghaiEd

I'm curious as to how you can determine a "creep" purely by visual inspection. For example, the vast majority of white supremacists don't have skinheads. Most of them look a lot like me. Or, I'd wager, you.

then they blended in well w/ the rest of us patriots and so how did they really serve their unsavory purpose?
or were they acting as low key spies, blending in, observing and planning for the next event.
wtf?

344 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:27:34pm

re: #338 austin_blue

Now *that* would surprise me. Those women research before making official alliances. They may be a little bit out there(okay, often, a lot), but they aren't gullible on the national level.

AB ... off gaze for a moment ....

Code Pink research ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLOLLOL!

/gaze on

345 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:27:51pm

re: #319 erraticsphinx

FOAD, Paulturd troll

346 slokat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:07pm

re: #269 taxfreekiller

TK chalk it up to Kilgore paranoia!

our local tea party was organized by two friends that I know have no connection to laup nor, and did it just because they wanted to make a local grass roots statement.

...or, all roads lead to luap nor, or tnorf mrots ;)

no / at all

347 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:13pm

Just reread that comment, apparently PIMF is an unexplored concept for me.

348 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:15pm
349 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

Uh- organized by kooks. No one, and I mean no one, has called all of the participants kooks. Far from it. Killgore has been sounding the alarm about the kooks, and his thanks for this is constant belittlement.

I refer you to his comment #134:

Quote: "But I see a lot of conservatives willing to attend these rallies with the full knowledge of what they are and who's involved."

Attend, not organize.

350 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:22pm

re: #330 Charles

I suggest that everyone watch the Independent Film Channel's "New World Order."

It's on now in CA. It has a lot of footage of Alex Jones that will blow your mind.

Pure insanity.

I don't have that here but, I am thrilled that you're pointing out this slimey bastard on LGF. I've been following him since long before I found LGF.

This place is THE antidote to crazy.

351 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:26pm

re: #324 Guanxi88

eck! I've always called them autocoprophages.

Fabulous... I like the scientific ring to that, your word means is eating your own poo.

A sootikin is something else. I feel a little bad defining it here. But you obviously know what it is... So I ask, which is more vile?

352 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:27pm

re: #333 MandyManners

50/50

re: #342 Guanxi88

Oh, cutting back, for health reasons. Got it.

I'd still suggest cutting back a little more on the Geritol. Too much iron, you know.

353 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:28:57pm

re: #328 rain of lead
Thanks man!

354 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:29:06pm

Okay, to elaborate on 254.

I never said anything about people upset with economic policies....I was saying it about tea parties in particular...

People did fall for them without actually knowing who was behind them, why is that such a controversial statement?
It doesn't say anything about attendees, but the organizers.

But if you prefer to pretend there is nothing there, whatever, I won't stop you.

355 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:29:25pm

re: #351 LudwigVanQuixote

Fabulous... I like the scientific ring to that, your word means is eating your own poo.

A sootikin is something else. I feel a little bad defining it here. But you obviously know what it is... So I ask, which is more vile?

That's easy: the combo platter.

356 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:29:40pm

re: #201 LudwigVanQuixote

I green-hearted your #201. Too bad you had to waste it on a Youtube cockroach.

357 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:29:47pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

Don't be surprised to see Code Pink latching on to the Paulians as the have an anti-war agenda in common. Not quite so diametrically opposed as you would think.

I wish I could do all kinds of things to promote that linkage! They have much more in common with each other than the RPer's have in common with the GOP.

358 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:30:09pm
359 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:30:53pm

re: #327 jamgarr

OT - Going to be in Berkeley Thursday through Sunday. First round's on me.


Meant to turn on the e-mail

360 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:31:02pm

re: #304 Alouette

Are you a Paultard? Spit it out.

mustresistmustresistmustresistmustresistmustresistmustresistmustresist

361 slokat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:31:21pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

Don't be surprised to see Code Pink latching on to the Paulians as the have an anti-war agenda in common. Not quite so diametrically opposed as you would think.

I'll have whatever it is that you are currently smoking...

362 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:31:45pm

re: #315 moonstone

Thanks for the tip. Hope you don't get in trouble for it!

After all, Joe Biden is a very likable guy.

Well, I joke around a lot. If I go too far, someone will usually point it out so I can apologize. It is my preference to edify and entertain, with the carefully researched link or the sudden play on words. I think everyone will agree that a bad pun is better than a good day of work...except for the pay.
/but enough about me

363 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:31:47pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops


Loves me some Chinese food

364 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:31:55pm

Gotta' go rassle The Kid.

365 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:32:53pm

re: #364 MandyManners

Gotta' go rassle The Kid.

What is that? Some hip new slang?

366 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:32:57pm

re: #331 MandyManners

I'd rather grab ass but, well, there ya' go.

*sits down next to Mandy*

367 Bloodnok  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:11pm

re: #361 slokat

I'll have whatever it is that you are currently smoking...

Let us know when you get to #273. Thanks.

368 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:14pm

re: #361 slokat

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

369 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:24pm

re: #360 MandyManners

mustresistmustresistmustresistmustresistmustresist mustresistmustresist

Sorry! I meant Paulturd!

370 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:24pm

re: #332 Iron Fist

I was a kid when the Willie Horton issue came up, and had other things on my mind at the time, but wasn't that originally brought up by Al Gore in the primaries?


Now, also as I recall it, Dukakis did support the furlough program that Horton was released under. Is there really anything controversial there? I fail to see it.

In the ads over James Byrd, the Democrats explicitly implicated George Bush as an accessory after the fact because he didn't support special hate crimes legislation. This despite the fact that Texas put two of the three men involved to death. As Bush raised in one of the debates, they killed the men who dragged Byrd to death (with the exception of life in prison for the one who turned state's evidence). What more could they do?

I'll ask you that question. What more could they do?

The controversey was Lee Atwater's Willie Horton commercial where Horton, a black man, was made to look darker. Whether or not blaming Dukakis for Horton was fair, using the darkened image of Horton was done for a purpose, and it wasn't to enlighten people as to the details of Massachusetts furlough program. As I recall in Ed Rollins (the Reagan and then Bush operative) book, Atwater apologized to Dukakis on his deathbed for some of his attacks during that campaign. I can't remember if he was specifically apologizing for the Horton ad.

371 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:32pm

re: #344 JacksonTn

AB ... off gaze for a moment ....

Code Pink research ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLOLLOL!

/gaze on

Nice of you to come off the perch and engage. Classy! But whatever you think about the Pinkos, annoying, insane, evil. &c., they are *not* stupid. As for their tactics, I generally agree with you.

Gazing from the heights on your lessers must be satisfying for you.....

372 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:42pm

re: #349 moonstone

I refer you to his comment #134:

Quote: "But I see a lot of conservatives willing to attend these rallies with the full knowledge of what they are and who's involved."

Attend, not organize.

One of the problems I see with attending these is this: Not everyone is as well-informed as we are here, THANKS in large part to Killgore.

And many of those folks will be easy targets for sneaky "recruitment" by the types of groups mentioned in the main post. And if we lend ourselves to success of these events by attending, we are participating in that recruitment also, UNLESS we are willing to attend and sound the alarm, so to speak, when we see "recruitment" materials being passed out. And honestly, I would simply not be up to that.

373 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:33:42pm

re: #366 NelsFree

*sits down next to Mandy*

NF ... ha ... she just left .... smooth move ...

/// ducking

374 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:34:06pm

re: #364 MandyManners

Gotta' go rassle The Kid.

Mandy, don't leave me! I've got one post to go to reach 1,000!

375 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:34:14pm

re: #353 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks man!

now that is what I was talking about when you were trying to come up
with your own troll hammer.

I likes the way you write
/slingblade off

376 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:34:18pm

re: #330 Charles
thanks; i get IFC and they are good about replaying their shows so iam sure it will also be seen in the future

377 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:34:37pm

I don't get why saying that tea parties originated with Ron Paul makes me a Ron Paul troll.

378 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:34:44pm

re: #375 rain of lead

now that is what I was talking about when you were trying to come up
with your own troll hammer.

I likes the way you write
/slingblade off

Here, have some biscuits with mustard. Got some french fired taters, if you'd like.

379 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:34:59pm

re: #329 flyers1974

Very divisive, that Al Gore.

Al Gore is a fat, divisive, phony, asshole. Check out that huge mansion he lives in outside of Nashville.

380 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:35:13pm

re: #374 NelsFree

Mandy, don't leave me! I've got one post to go to reach 1,000!

Make it a good one..We're all watching...:)

381 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:35:35pm

GO MAGIC!

382 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:35:35pm

re: #378 Guanxi88

Here, have some biscuits with mustard. Got some french fired taters, if you'd like.


The bigguns

383 American Sabra  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:35:56pm

re: #262 LudwigVanQuixote

If you'll indulge me a short story.

I was reading a Phoenix news site and came across an article about a Holocaust survivor and her family who happened into a local memorablia store that was selling an inordinate amount of nazi stuff. Some of it was usable like badges, medals and those big red nazi flags. Well she complained to the store owner and then to the local paper. Anyway, that's basically the story.

The comment section had pages and pages of the most vile anti-semitic garbage I've ever read. Like 85% of it. Maybe 5 people spoke against it, including me, but were seriously drowned out. I reported a number of the messages from one particularly hateful person and when I returned to the site, some of the posts were deleted, but not all.

Maybe a month later, I'm reading a PA site about immigration and I notice the same nic! And the same anti-Semitic stuff, like verbatim about blood libels, the Zionist lobby, 6M never died blah blah. So I complained. Not only was every post deleted, they dumped his/her account.

So I'm not ambivalent and I don't sit on my hands, but mostly it raises my blood pressure, so I try to avoid it when possible, esp Youtube because there's no complaining as you said.

384 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:36:03pm

re: #382 jamgarr

The bigguns

Now, are you gonna fix that mower?

385 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:36:07pm

re: #355 Guanxi88

That's easy: the combo platter.

OMG! THAT IS BRILLIANT...

So from now on, jihadis and neo nazis are sootikin swiling autocorprophages!

SOOTIKIN SWILLING AUTOCORPROPHAGE! That honestly made me laugh hard enough to see those little firefly things...

Brilliant!

386 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:36:27pm

re: #373 JacksonTn

hey JT
how ya doin girl!
is this fun or what
lgf hasn't had a thread this spicy in oh......3 or 4 hrs :0

387 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:36:35pm

re: #348 Iron Fist

The ads linking Bush to the Byrd murder was particularly vile. Tow of the three murderers got the death sentence and the other one (who flipped) got life n prison. What the fuck was Bush (and Texas) supposed to do?

388 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:01pm

re: #385 LudwigVanQuixote

OMG! THAT IS BRILLIANT...

So from now on, jihadis and neo nazis are sootikin swiling autocorprophages!

SOOTIKIN SWILLING AUTOCORPROPHAGE! That honestly made me laugh hard enough to see those little firefly things...

Brilliant!

SSA's, for short. It works.

389 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:04pm

re: #378 Guanxi88

I likes french fried taters

390 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:13pm

re: #379 Joel

Al Gore is a fat, divisive, phony, asshole. Check out that huge mansion he lives in outside of Nashville.

and take a look at his huge electric bill for that huge ungreen mansion.

391 slokat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:17pm

re: #351 LudwigVanQuixote


floors under pews or vaginal clefts, as part of your definition?

392 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:17pm

re: #386 rain of lead

hey JT
how ya doin girl!
is this fun or what
lgf hasn't had a thread this spicy in oh......3 or 4 hrs :0

RoL ... hey! delicious ... momcat was here earlier ...

393 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:25pm

re: #375 rain of lead

now that is what I was talking about when you were trying to come up
with your own troll hammer.

I likes the way you write
/slingblade off


You mean for the evolution threads...

I hear you.

394 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:28pm

re: #389 rain of lead

I likes french fried taters

Fine, but can you stop sharpening that mower blade, already?

395 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:37:48pm

re: #94 Charles

Ya know, I just read through the whole post. The level of incoherency is amazing. It's hard to know where to start. It's like they're worshiping an evil twin skippy version of Jesus. Actually, that's it. These losers are worshiping the antichrist and they're too blind to see it. Amazing!

396 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:38:29pm

Somr folks call it a Kaiser blade

397 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:38:36pm

re: #358 taxfreekiller

you have to fight to keep your freedom
the fight will not be on key boards at home
the fight will be with the commie Democrat
leadership that is power mad and on the make
to throw your freedom away, and lock you all
up on their new improved hope and change reservation.

dirty blankets for all

Achtung, TFK! Get out in the streets and fight those Commie Dems! I love these pronouncements from our own Gabby Johnson, who may be the biggest Paulian in spirit (radical Llibertarian) on the board. Sweet!

////////////////////////

398 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:38:44pm
399 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:38:44pm

Some

400 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:39:01pm

re: #384 Guanxi88

Now, are you gonna fix that mower?

Billy Bob was a genius in that movie..sad to see him go from slingblade..to pushing Tin to bad Santa.. I fully expect him to play the joker in Batman ten.

401 NelsFree  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:39:19pm

Ummmmm, ah, er, well...

"It's my ONE-THOUSANDTH POST"!
/woot

402 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:39:24pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

You just don't believe in the ideas behind the tea parties. Basically you have no problems with Obamanoics and neither does Killgore Trout. Am I wrong?

403 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:39:35pm

re: #387 Joel

The ads linking Bush to the Byrd murder was particularly vile. Tow of the three murderers got the death sentence and the other one (who flipped) got life n prison. What the fuck was Bush (and Texas) supposed to do?

Of course there was nothing Bush could do, no rational AND impartial person would say otherwise. My point is, if Byrd is proof of Democrats "divide and conquer" would not Horton be the same re: the GOP?

404 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:40:01pm

re: #402 Joel

Yes, you're wrong.

405 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:40:12pm

re: #396 jamgarr

Somr folks call it a Kaiser blade

re: #400 HoosierHoops

Billy Bob was a genius in that movie..sad to see him go from slingblade..to pushing Tin to bad Santa.. I fully expect him to play the joker in Batman ten.

A great role, brilliantly acted. Carl was a fascinating character - the "idiot man-child" of Southern Gothic literature, but NOT a victim, by any means. One of the richest characters ever written.

406 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:40:13pm

re: #400 HoosierHoops

Billy Bob was a genius in that movie..sad to see him go from slingblade..to pushing Tin to bad Santa.. I fully expect him to play the joker in Batman ten.

HH ... you know who was really freaky in that movie ... Dwight Yokem ... I did not even recognize him ... that dude looks so much better in a hat ...

407 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:41:58pm

re: #406 JacksonTn

HH ... you know who was really freaky in that movie ... Dwight Yokem ... I did not even recognize him ... that dude looks so much better in a hat ...

I was stunned..I didn't know that was him till the credits. He can really act..He should do more of it.

408 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:42:16pm

re: #402 Joel

You just don't believe in the ideas behind the tea parties. Basically you have no problems with Obamanoics and neither does Killgore Trout. Am I wrong?

Yeah- skepticism of the tea parties = love for 0bama. Give me a break.

409 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:42:24pm

re: #392 JacksonTn

give her a shout out I think she is lurking on the laptop

410 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:42:25pm

Neo-nazi posts YouTube audio of Ron Paul talking about "Neo-cons"

He complains that the "ADL" keeps censoring his YouTube account. I didn't think ADL had anything to do with YouTube, and I hope this stays on so people can hear what Ron Paul really is.

411 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:43:08pm

re: #402 Joel

You just don't believe in the ideas behind the tea parties. Basically you have no problems with Obamanoics and neither does Killgore Trout. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong, wrong wrong.
I attended the local event on 4/15, which went really well, a few "crazy" signs, but mostly people just like me.

Because Killgore wouldn't shut up about it, I started checking into the sponsors and organizers of our local event, and did not like what I saw.

I do not always agree with Killgore; nor did I take his word for it. I did my own checking. I think Killgore and I are pretty far apart on most things; but on this one, he's right.

And that's what I suggest people do - check into your local organizers and sponsors. And if you attend, keep your eyes open.

412 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:43:20pm

re: #383 American Sabra

If you'll indulge me a short story.

I was reading a Phoenix news site and came across an article about a Holocaust survivor and her family who happened into a local memorablia store that was selling an inordinate amount of nazi stuff. Some of it was usable like badges, medals and those big red nazi flags. Well she complained to the store owner and then to the local paper. Anyway, that's basically the story.

The comment section had pages and pages of the most vile anti-semitic garbage I've ever read. Like 85% of it. Maybe 5 people spoke against it, including me, but were seriously drowned out. I reported a number of the messages from one particularly hateful person and when I returned to the site, some of the posts were deleted, but not all.

Maybe a month later, I'm reading a PA site about immigration and I notice the same nic! And the same anti-Semitic stuff, like verbatim about blood libels, the Zionist lobby, 6M never died blah blah. So I complained. Not only was every post deleted, they dumped his/her account.

So I'm not ambivalent and I don't sit on my hands, but mostly it raises my blood pressure, so I try to avoid it when possible, esp Youtube because there's no complaining as you said.

Please believe that I hear you. Please also believe that I never even thought that you were the type to do nothing. That never even crossed my mind.

I am just saying that the annoying guys out there have scads of little little fools from the far left campuses up all night trolling youtube and other places. There are scads of fools out there from those countries where such views are the norms who have computers too. There are some who are professional I am certain.

There is no real counter to it other than to say stuff ourselves. That is deeply draining. It is very hard to see that stuff directed directly at you. Honestly, if I am going on about sootikins, you can be certain, that I am not all calm and happy right now even though, what did I expect?

Believe me, we get each other.

413 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:43:43pm

Momcat ... hey! brb ...

414 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:44:00pm

re: #398 Iron Fist

I don't know enough about the issue to really comment on the issue except to say that if they darkened the picture of Willie Horton, it was a dumb and unnecessary move. As to the guy apologizing to Dukakis on his deathbed, well, I'd never heard that one at all. OK, whatever.

When are the Left going to apologize to George W. for all the many, many lies they've told about him in the last nine+ years?

I won't hold my breath.

I wouldn't hold my breath either in this regard. My point is, neither party has the monopoly on dirty tactics, and the losing party usually blames, among other things, the meanness of the other side, i.e., "the only problem with my party is that we play fair, the other side is vicious - we must learn to play dirty like [insert name of winning party]

415 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:44:05pm

re: #410 Alouette

Neo-nazi posts YouTube audio of Ron Paul talking about "Neo-cons"


[Video]

He complains that the "ADL" keeps censoring his YouTube account. I didn't think ADL had anything to do with YouTube, and I hope this stays on so people can hear what Ron Paul really is.

It should, but it won't for the true believers on this board like TFK. Sad.

416 Bloodnok  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:44:07pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

One of the problems I see with attending these is this: Not everyone is as well-informed as we are here, THANKS in large part to Killgore.

And many of those folks will be easy targets for sneaky "recruitment" by the types of groups mentioned in the main post. And if we lend ourselves to success of these events by attending, we are participating in that recruitment also, UNLESS we are willing to attend and sound the alarm, so to speak, when we see "recruitment" materials being passed out. And honestly, I would simply not be up to that.

Good post. And it's the IDEAS that we should be frightened of and not necessarily that Ron Paul will pick up a few voters.

My mother is exactly as you describe. She does not follow the blogosphere and barely knows who Ron Paul is. But talking to her last month I realized that "somehow" she has picked up the idea that the Fed should be abolished, that we should be isolationist and that the fair tax seems like a good idea. Again, she was not visited by anyone affiliated with Paul, never read his literature and does not use the Internet. These ideas are becoming mainstreamed in several different venues.

I'm not worried about Ron Paul picking up supporters. I'm nervous that his ideas, or far, far worse ones will gain traction. Tea Parties are just one place where this is happening. Many conservatives are too smart to let this happen and that's a good thing.

417 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:44:14pm

Hey lizards.

Chilly & rainy here in Virginia.

418 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:44:28pm

re: #261 NY Nana

Sorry, Joel, if I ever saw her? I would spit in her face. Only a Jew hater would say the following. She can get stuffed, the bitch.


[Video]

If you want to see Jew haters you need go no further then a local Move On meeting on the Upper West Side (most of whom will be nominal Jews), a sermon at Trinity United Church of Chicago whereB. Hussein Urkel attended for 20 years, or a staff meeting of the New York Times, Newsweek Magazine, or PMSNBC. You know that.

419 slokat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:45:45pm

re: #367 Bloodnok

Let us know when you get to #273. Thanks.

re: #368 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I know both Paulians & Code Pinkos, they are diametrically opposed to each other, whatever you might assume.

Next time we have a peta event or a laup nor event, I will show up and make sure I'm photographed and I will state that the reason I'm there is to represent LGF .

It will be just as legitimate.

420 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:45:47pm

re: #407 HoosierHoops

hey hoops
damn, another movie (princess bride being the most famous here)
that lizards can quote chapter and verse

/who knew?

421 erraticsphinx  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:46:24pm

Wow, downdinging frenzy over a true statement.

Because I point out that people attending tea parties were not aware of some of the unsavory organizers = RON PAUL TROLL

Ron Paul started the original tea parties = RON PAUL TROLL

422 theheat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:46:25pm

re: #15 NelsFree

Pssst - if it was a secret, we wouldn't post with our names. Obviously, this a real hotbutton issue for you, and you resent the fact anyone might agree with someone who disagrees with you. Apparently, the upding/downding thing is exclusive in your eyes? It's news to me.

I thought they made valid points, and I agreed with them on that issue. Typically, I don't come in here and upding/downding as a pastime, unless I've posted something, which I did on that thread. Trying to ingratiate yourself reporting people posting on a thread, as if they're trolls, which I'm certainly not, is counterfeit.

423 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:46:52pm

Programming note*
It's the 4th quarter and the Cav's are in a war..The Magic are just taking it Cleveland...

424 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:01pm
425 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:06pm

re: #400 HoosierHoops HOOPS; what was wrong with bad santa?............ are you watching the game?

426 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:09pm

re: #339 Joel

Actually it's not a false statement. If you go to Ron Paul forums you will find Paulians whining about "republican astroturfer's stealing their meme". I won't link to Wonkette, but that fauxblogger site has an article up on it.

427 J.D.  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:28pm

re: #420 rain of lead

hey hoops
damn, another movie (princess bride being the most famous here)
that lizards can quote chapter and verse

/who knew?

Princess Bride is one of my favorites.
I thought Mr. Holland's Opus might be the most famous here, though.

428 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:40pm

re: #416 Bloodnok

. . . "somehow" she has picked up the idea that the Fed should be abolished, that we should be isolationist and that the fair tax seems like a good idea. Again, she was not visited by anyone affiliated with Paul, never read his literature and does not use the Internet. These ideas are becoming mainstreamed in several different venues.

I'm not worried about Ron Paul picking up supporters. I'm nervous that his ideas, or far, far worse ones will gain traction. Tea Parties are just one place where this is happening. Many conservatives are too smart to let this happen and that's a good thing.

Perfectly stated, it's exactly what I was trying to say.

429 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

One of the problems I see with attending these is this: Not everyone is as well-informed as we are here, THANKS in large part to Killgore.

And many of those folks will be easy targets for sneaky "recruitment" by the types of groups mentioned in the main post. And if we lend ourselves to success of these events by attending, we are participating in that recruitment also, UNLESS we are willing to attend and sound the alarm, so to speak, when we see "recruitment" materials being passed out. And honestly, I would simply not be up to that.

I guess I have a higher opinion of the tea party attendees than you do. Those that I've met already know what they stand for and are highly unlikely to become white supremacists, "accidentally" or otherwise.

You'd better believe that if I ever saw any "recruiting" taking place, I would have plenty to say to them. However, in my red state, it's probably unlikely.

430 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:47:49pm

re: #408 Sharmuta

Yeah- skepticism of the tea parties = love for 0bama. Give me a break.

Out of curiosity and I know it is not my business but you went from being a great fan of George W. Bush to being somewhat skeptical (to say the least ) of the GOP. Who did you vote for in the last election?

431 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:01pm

re: #416 Bloodnok

Good post. And it's the IDEAS that we should be frightened of and not necessarily that Ron Paul will pick up a few voters.

My mother is exactly as you describe. She does not follow the blogosphere and barely knows who Ron Paul is. But talking to her last month I realized that "somehow" she has picked up the idea that the Fed should be abolished, that we should be isolationist and that the fair tax seems like a good idea. Again, she was not visited by anyone affiliated with Paul, never read his literature and does not use the Internet. These ideas are becoming mainstreamed in several different venues.

I'm not worried about Ron Paul picking up supporters. I'm nervous that his ideas, or far, far worse ones will gain traction. Tea Parties are just one place where this is happening. Many conservatives are too smart to let this happen and that's a good thing.

My mother is way too smart to be taken in by the RonPaulbots. She also is savvy of the Cheneybots because she reads the LA Times from cover to cover and especially Maureen Dowd!

432 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:14pm

re: #358 taxfreekiller

You sound like fucking alex jones.

433 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:31pm

re: #429 moonstone

I guess I have a higher opinion of the tea party attendees than you do. Those that I've met already know what they stand for and are highly unlikely to become white supremacists, "accidentally" or otherwise.

You'd better believe that if I ever saw any "recruiting" taking place, I would have plenty to say to them. However, in my red state, it's probably unlikely.

See:
re: #416 Bloodnok

Good post. And it's the IDEAS that we should be frightened of and not necessarily that Ron Paul will pick up a few voters.

My mother is exactly as you describe. She does not follow the blogosphere and barely knows who Ron Paul is. But talking to her last month I realized that "somehow" she has picked up the idea that the Fed should be abolished, that we should be isolationist and that the fair tax seems like a good idea. Again, she was not visited by anyone affiliated with Paul, never read his literature and does not use the Internet. These ideas are becoming mainstreamed in several different venues.

I'm not worried about Ron Paul picking up supporters. I'm nervous that his ideas, or far, far worse ones will gain traction. Tea Parties are just one place where this is happening. Many conservatives are too smart to let this happen and that's a good thing.

434 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:52pm

re: #337 Guanxi88

You think our lords and masters are quaking in their loafers to learn that people for whom they do not care, to whom they are not accountable, and from whom they can take as they wish, really care that the marks are angry?

My state rep seemed pretty damned concerned when he came to monitor our protest. 100 pissed off people can cost you an election in my district.

435 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:53pm
436 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:54pm

re: #426 Thanos

Actually it's not a false statement. If you go to Ron Paul forums you will find Paulians whining about "republican astroturfer's stealing their meme". I won't link to Wonkette, but that fauxblogger site has an article up on it.

Dude I was at the NY tea party and I know what I saw.

437 slokat  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:48:55pm

I'm being abruptly called away... will return in a few hours, or tomorrow.

438 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:49:31pm

re: #110 jcm

I won't click that link either! That song scared the crap out of me when I was eight years old! My mom put me to bed on a Sunday night and put on the easy listening station to help me get to sleep. A few minutes after she left I leaned over, turned the dial ever so slightly to the right, and tuned into Dr. Demento. At first it was fine. A few nyuck nyuck songs and other silly stuff. Then THAT SONG came on. At first it sounded so sweet. By the time it ended here I was, nearly peeing myself, hiding under my stuffed animals for protection. That song still freaks me out!

439 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:49:39pm

re: #432 Thanos

You sound like fucking alex jones.

Yes! An echo in this anechoic chamber!

440 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:07pm

re: #420 rain of lead

hey hoops
damn, another movie (princess bride being the most famous here)
that lizards can quote chapter and verse

/who knew?

Hiya Rain!
Thank gawd nobody quotes the English Patient or Kramer vs. Kramer.. I'd probably have to jump off the roof with my laptop..:)

441 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:16pm

re: #427 J.D.

oh no
I've been on threads where the entire move is replayed
quote after quote after quote
lot's of fun

442 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:17pm

re: #429 moonstone

Why do you think being in a red state versus a blue state means nazis won't show up to recruit people?

443 J.D.  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:23pm

re: #435 Iron Fist

Those were the days... *sigh*

444 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #423 HoosierHoops
yep; GO MAGIC......

445 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:37pm

re: #424 taxfreekiller

If Kilgore is wrong, will he admit so here on lgf's?


Yes, I do so on pretty much a daily basis. I skimmed the thread and still haven't seen you post the link to your local Tea Party wich is sponsored by Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.

446 Tarkus289  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:38pm

Here is how I see it, The biggest problem with these types of people hijacking these events, is that the MSM will seek the crazies and smear the good people at the tea party, so all someone has to do is is immediately
dis-associate the tea party from the offending group, by name, not only will that neutralize their message, but they may stop trying to hijack these events.

...or, maybe not.

447 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:50:41pm
448 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:51:26pm

My Canadian Two Cent Take on the Tea Parties:

The original Boston Tea Party in 1773 was a dramatic pre-revolutionary tax revolt against the British colonial power.

The present "Tea Parties" seem to be nothing of the kind and pale in comparison. Rather they seem to be more akin to simple political organizing events for the right wing of the GOP.

Some extreme right wingers see these gatherings as recruitment opportunities for their own far right fringe groups - this seems like an irrelevant red herring.

BTW, why do the organizers call these gatherings "Tea Parties"? To do so seems misleading at best. Do they hope thereby to gain some kind of legitimacy by trading off the name of a bona fide historical event?

In any case, the concept of organizing the right wing of the GOP into a cohesive faction is what some perceive as a threat to the very existence of the GOP, while others see it as an attempt to hijack the GOP.

What seems to be lacking is any kind of comparable organizing activity by the centre of the party. And I guess that is upsetting a lot of folks.

449 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:52:09pm

Really surprised no one has tried to discredit this article by claiming the ADL is liberal. I thought we'd have at least one comment like that.

450 Koyaanistaaqa  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:52:21pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

One of the problems I see with attending these is this: Not everyone is as well-informed as we are here, THANKS in large part to Killgore.

And many of those folks will be easy targets for sneaky "recruitment" by the types of groups mentioned in the main post. And if we lend ourselves to success of these events by attending, we are participating in that recruitment also, UNLESS we are willing to attend and sound the alarm, so to speak, when we see "recruitment" materials being passed out. And honestly, I would simply not be up to that.

I haven't been to a 'Tea Party' yet, but know a number of definite non-racist, non-Paulians who have. If I do go to one - solely to protest onerous taxation and wanton spending - I'll be on the lookout for these opportunist creeps. And I'm up for calling the racist cowards out - Loudly. If you don't mind, I'll bag one for you too, reine.

451 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:52:53pm

re: #449 Sharmuta

Really surprised no one has tried to discredit this article by claiming the ADL is liberal. I thought we'd have at least one comment like that.

The ADL is liberal but so what? They are usually spot on.

452 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:53:00pm

Please stop poisoning words like liberty, patriotism and freedom. We need them for more important things that promoting Ron Paul and his policies.

453 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:53:20pm

re: #450 Koyaanistaaqa

I haven't been to a 'Tea Party' yet, but know a number of definite non-racist, non-Paulians who have. If I do go to one - solely to protest onerous taxation and wanton spending - I'll be on the lookout for these opportunist creeps. And I'm up for calling the racist cowards out - Loudly. If you don't mind, I'll bag one for you too, reine.

Do that!

454 Orangutan  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:53:43pm

Thanks for the heads-up. There was something good within these protests (as there often can be at many) but it seems to be turning more and more for the bad. Anything can be turned if managed poorly.

I always welcome immigrants whenever I meet them - when I was in school with them, when I work with them, when I share a cab with them, you name it - and thank them for coming to our country. I hope they enjoy it and stay. We need desperately to smooth/optimize/improve the front-door legal immigration process and squelch the illegal one.

White supremacy held us back historically and should have vanished with the Industrial Age. Only the very weakest keep it alive, among other despicable causes.

455 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:53:52pm

re: #451 Alouette

The ADL is liberal but so what? They are usually spot on.

The ADL is definitely liberal and so is The American Jewish Committee.

456 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:09pm
457 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:10pm

re: #449 Sharmuta

Really surprised no one has tried to discredit this article by claiming the ADL is liberal. I thought we'd have at least one comment like that.

Count your blessings :)

458 American Sabra  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:19pm

re: #412 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh yea, well my point is that sometimes the most you can do is complain to the site admin about the content and hope it's removed. Yahoo obviously never managed their boards. Youtube, I guess you can complain to the person who put up the video and they'll delete it. Or can they? I don't know much about Youtube.

459 J.S.  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:29pm

re: #411 reine.de.tout

Say, have you thought about entryism? Hijack those KKKers!

460 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:35pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Please stop poisoning words like liberty, patriotism and freedom. We need them for more important things that promoting Ron Paul and his policies.


Amen...

461 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:45pm

This has got to be - to some degree, at least - wishful thinking on the part of the racists. Maybe thirty years ago, they might have made some headway. These days? Surely, most people react with revulsion?

Or am I speaking for myself alone?

462 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:54:48pm

Here come the antisemites. This is going to get interesting.

463 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:05pm

re: #459 J.S.

Say, have you thought about entryism? Hijack those KKKers!

I just found out what "entryism" is.
I am frankly just not that subtle.

464 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:11pm

re: #442 Sharmuta

Oh, I don't know for sure -- I know that we didn't at the first one; or if we did they were VERY low key about it -- and that we don't get many protesters of any kind. Even our anti-war protesters were mostly homeless people and some pitiful-looking college students.

We're not exactly a hotbed of activism here.

465 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:12pm
466 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:22pm

re: #456 taxfreekiller

Fail. The link didn't work.

467 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:22pm
468 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:23pm

re: #447 taxfreekiller

re: #358 taxfreekiller

Kilgore Trout

You sound like fucking alex jones.

#432

so, you know a lot about reservation life?

See? Gabby Johnson. Can anyone translate this frontier gibberish?

469 jamgarr  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:40pm

re: #461 Dianna


What you said

470 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:55:59pm

Alex Jones really is completely insane. It's not an act.

And Judge Andrew Napolitano is promoting him on Fox News as "the great Alex Jones." We're down the rabbit hole.

471 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:56:10pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Here come the antisemites. This is going to get interesting.

Where?

472 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:56:20pm

re: #461 Dianna

This has got to be - to some degree, at least - wishful thinking on the part of the racists. Maybe thirty years ago, they might have made some headway. These days? Surely, most people react with revulsion?

Or am I speaking for myself alone?

Some openly embrace them, like pamela geller.

473 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:56:30pm

re: #458 American Sabra

Oh yea, well my point is that sometimes the most you can do is complain to the site admin about the content and hope it's removed. Yahoo obviously never managed their boards. Youtube, I guess you can complain to the person who put up the video and they'll delete it. Or can they? I don't know much about Youtube.


On that I agree. Usually, the site admins do not really care. That's why I was saying that we have to counterpost if we have the energy. I know you are the type to do so. We are on the same side honest!

474 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:56:51pm

re: #465 momcat


hahahahaha

475 Velvet Elvis  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:01pm

re: #163 flyers1974

I don't know, I don't think us Democrats are as socialist as you think. I'm going to guess most Democrats reluctently supported the bailouts thinking that, but for the bailouts, the economy was going down the tubes. Last time I checked, hairy hippies and women studies professors weren't exactly thinking that their life-long dreams came true - corporate welfare for AIG, etc... . To be sure, prior to this past year, I bet the average person, Democrat or Republican had not previously had the word "bailout" in his vocabulary. Whether the bailouts are good or bad, I don't see my neighbors rejoicing.


I know post is a million years old by now, but I think you pretty much nailed it here. The bailout was hard for a lot of Democrats to swallow as well. I personally called my blue dog democrat congressman's office and bitched about it and I'm a Democrat (for lack of better options).

476 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:44pm

re: #463 reine.de.tout

I just found out what "entryism" is.
I am frankly just not that subtle.

Me, neither. I just lose my temper in dramatic and highly articulate fashion. Then I realize that people from twenty feet around are staring at me with their mouths open, and my victims are retreating, pale and trembling.

Just once, I'd like to remember what I said.

477 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:44pm

re: #468 austin_blue

Off his case, shitsplat.

478 J.S.  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:48pm

re: #463 reine.de.tout

In Canada, I personally knew a whole lot of ultra-left types -- and they watched Alberta politics take a turn toward Conservatism (Alberta's been conservative for the past -- I don't know -- 60 odd years?), anywho, they decided, "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em." (I was personally appalled and astounded at the time -- speechless, really -- but, they informed, "heh, it's called 'politics''... and they went on to very, very successful careers in the "Conservative" Party.)

479 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:48pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Here come the antisemites. This is going to get interesting.

Where?

This is a serious question, Kilgore. Where?

480 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:54pm

Napolitano (both Andrew and Janet) is a major league asshole and blowhard. Andrew looks like he walked off of the set of 'Goodfellas' (being one of the guys that "Jimmy Conway whacked from the Lufthansa heist").

481 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #131 Jim in Virginia

He has on Pat Robertson and dares to talk about crazy religious beliefs? Oh that is rich!

482 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:57:55pm

well, i've planned my outfit for the 4th of july tea party.
navy denim capri pants, ankle length w/ contrasting red top stitching.
a red and white boat neck stripe cap sleeve "tea" shirt. (one size too small)
a medium brim natural straw hat w/ a red and white polka dot hat band.
red patent leather sandals.
red patent leather pocket book.

big american flag.

483 J.D.  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:58:37pm

re: #467 Iron Fist

If things turn out as abysmally as they look like they might, we may look back on the Bush Administration the way people in the '30s undoubtably looked back on the Roaring '20s. The glory days, when we were at our peak. There's a quote in the back of my brain about that, but I can't seem to drag it forward enough to be able to post it.

I already do!
And I'm not typically very impulsive...

484 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:58:38pm

re: #475 Conservative Moonbat

I know post is a million years old by now, but I think you pretty much nailed it here. The bailout was hard for a lot of Democrats to swallow as well. I personally called my blue dog democrat congressman's office and bitched about it and I'm a Democrat (for lack of better options).


I hear you. And Flyers original post was dead on.

485 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:58:44pm

re: #470 Charles

He's part of my studies for the day someone offers a Ph.D. in crankery.

486 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:58:46pm

re: #468 austin_blue

Oh, go piss up a rope.

487 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:58:47pm
488 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:00pm

..for those who haven't - please read.

re: #201 LudwigVanQuixote

How Charming...

There is no point in trying to reason with one as deluded or insane as you. I will say it like it is and you can wrestle with it or not. Palestine is a word that the Romans called the land after the Philistines, in an attempt to anger the true owners - the Jews.

Palestine does not exist. It is a fabrication. The word itself is a fabrication from an empire that has nothing to do with Arabs or Muslims - an empire that does not even exist anymore. By taking that name, you are too ignorant to realize that you affirm the true ownership of the land and the falseness of any claims you think that you might have.

Israel is the land of G-d. You are right about that. He gave that land to me and my people. We are home and we are there to stay. Where are the Philistines now? Where are the mighty armies of Alexander, or the Eqyptians who enslaved us, or the Romans? We were there with Jerusalem as our capital 1500 years before Mohammed was born. It will still be our capital 1500 years after evil fanatics like you are a nearly forgotten memory of a tragic barbaric past.

I scoff at you. I laugh at your threats to wipe us out. We have faced far more serious foes than you. They are all gone. We will be here someday looking at Islamists like you, much like we look at Rome and Egypt, or the Philisitines today.

You want to come and kill us all? Make us wood? You have tried that seven times. Each time, the Arab armies were crushed utterly. Now you cowardly jihadis do nothing but attack from behind the cover of women and children. You claim victories that you were not anihilated when we showed more mercy to those you hide behind then our anger towards you. You are nothing more than a small, smelly, little yapping dog. You are nothing. Your beliefs are false. Your ideas are meaningless. You do not scare me. You do not scare us. We would prefer to be left alone and live in our homeland in peace. Yet, animals like you keep trying to nip at our heels. If we must, we will crush you too.

Now, as you go to ululate and dream of raping virgins in heaven... My what barbaric animals you are that you think heaven consists of sex slaves as a reward for murder and suicide... just remember that we are not decieved by you. We do not believe your false prophecies or your false writings. We know that Islam once had a proud intellectual tradition that you do not represent. We know you are garbage and we know that the existence of creatures like you is a blemish on the Name of G-d.

We hope that one day, you will see reason and learn to join the human race, rather than live as dirty animals who tremble in fear from women so much that you must abuse them. We hope that someday, you will make achievements of your own, rather than leading the world in evil acts of terror and decapitation films. We hope so much that you could be our brother Ishamel rather than a curse on the civilized world.

But we also know that such things require a good heart and a good soul. You have neither. G-d and history will spit you out - just like Pharoah.

I could say the same for the Neo Nazis.

489 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:09pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout YEP; PASS THE POPCORN PLEASE.........

490 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:32pm

bbiaw

491 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #482 nyc redneck

You will stand out.

492 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:41pm

re: #472 Sharmuta

Some openly embrace them, like pamela geller.

She's wet to the knees and viewing the pyramids, Sharm. She doesn't think she's embracing any such creature.

It's very sad.

493 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:42pm

re: #163 flyers1974

I don't know, I don't think us Democrats are as socialist as you think. I'm going to guess most Democrats reluctently supported the bailouts thinking that, but for the bailouts, the economy was going down the tubes. Last time I checked, hairy hippies and women studies professors weren't exactly thinking that their life-long dreams came true - corporate welfare for AIG, etc... . To be sure, prior to this past year, I bet the average person, Democrat or Republican had not previously had the word "bailout" in his vocabulary. Whether the bailouts are good or bad, I don't see my neighbors rejoicing.

This is a very very good post. I am not a Dem, but I really do hear you.

494 Mich-again  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:44pm

Here is a picture of Don Black and his mega-cool kid in the background. Just in case you see them hanging around. Not sure who the other guy is but I call Far Right Euro.

495 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:59:53pm

re: #482 nyc redneck

well, i've planned my outfit for the 4th of july tea party.
navy denim capri pants, ankle length w/ contrasting red top stitching.
a red and white boat neck stripe cap sleeve "tea" shirt. (one size too small)
a medium brim natural straw hat w/ a red and white polka dot hat band.
red patent leather sandals.
red patent leather pocket book.

big american flag.

I would love a picture of that.
Particularly those red patent sandals.

496 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:00:14pm

Americans in general have never been fond of protesters. I can't think of any protest in recent history that did more good than harm for the ideological side it belonged to. For all the Vietnam War protesting that went on, I'd say this was an overall negative for the Democrats. Remember the phrase, "America, love it or leave it." Protests bring out strange people. Even a non-partisan protest or gathering like "save the Caylee Anthony" girl brings out people a little too obsessed with that situation.

497 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:00:18pm

re: #135 NelsFree

Maybe he's going to tell them about the boxer rebellion?

498 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:00:36pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

Don't be surprised to see Code Pink latching on to the Paulians as the have an anti-war agenda in common. Not quite so diametrically opposed as you would think.

Yeah. We've seen Code Pinko here (SF Bay Area) latch onto ANSWER and stand idly by with big stupid grins while the Pro-Jihad crowd next to them scream anti-semetic slurs in both English and Arabic.

499 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:00:53pm

re: #418 Joel

I have not gone into the city since 9/11...

And as I am disabled, I doubt that I will. Don't worry. There are Jew haters and self-hating Jews in the 'burbs, also. *Sigh*

The H1N1 influenza is not spreading as quickly as the pandemic of Jew hate world-wide.

500 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:01:16pm
501 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:01:34pm

re: #308 JacksonTn

CtE ... what is a KCB? ...

re: #308 JacksonTn

CtE ... what is a KCB? ...

Sorry - someone was at the door!

KCB = Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

502 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:01:43pm

re: #455 Joel

The ADL is definitely liberal and so is The American Jewish Committee.

Who is talking about the AJC? They are a bunch of JINOs

503 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:02:16pm

I need a drink

504 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:02:32pm

re: #496 flyers1974

True dat. Difference here is that these protestors are the peole who NEVER do such. That, imho is what makes this something to nurture, and keep the fringe the hell out of.

505 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:02:36pm

re: #488 unrealizedviewpoint

now named Ludwigs jihad hammer!

506 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:03:07pm

re: #476 Dianna

Me, neither. I just lose my temper in dramatic and highly articulate fashion. Then I realize that people from twenty feet around are staring at me with their mouths open, and my victims are retreating, pale and trembling.

Just once, I'd like to remember what I said.

My daughter tells me I sound angry even when I'm not.
And when I am angry or upset, I am very forceful.

I do a lot better when I'm writing things out; people don't seem to want to be around me when I talk.

507 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:03:12pm

re: #477 irongrampa

Off his case, shitsplat.

Shitsplat?!?! Why, you, you....Boogermonger!

508 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:03:12pm

re: #436 Joel

It doesn't matter what you saw at the NY tea party. The constitution party was there recruiting. Ron Paulbots were there. Glen Beck's 9-12 was there. Stormfront was there, they don't show up with swastika armbands anymore.

David Duke put the nazis here in the US in suits a couple of decades ago, keep up with the times.

Oh, and here's the Paulians saying "We invented the tea parties and we wants them back!"

Nobody here is saying that they are 100 percent birchers, paulians, or whatever. A lot of good normal Republicans are going to them. Some of the parties have questionable organizers, be aware of what else is working there. There are groups out for their benefit, not the Republican parties. From the photo spread at UI's place, NY was probably one of the better ones.

509 Sunlight  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:03:17pm

OT I've been away from the computer a lot during the last couple of weeks. I've been catching up on the NK tests and rockets. And it is just crossing my mind that Japan and Israel seem to be in somewhat similar situations when it comes to long range rocket threats. Has anyone else noticed that? And are the Japanese and Israelis comparing notes?

510 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:03:57pm

Keep an eye out for flyers at the tea parties with E.N.O.U.G.H. used as an acronym for various points of disgruntlement. Those handing them out are getting their ideas from Stormfront.

511 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:04:14pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Sorry - someone was at the door!

KCB = Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Isn't that the Garter's motto?

512 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:04:31pm

re: #424 taxfreekiller

...and don't bother reposting the link. I have no interest in listening to speeches at Ron Paul rallies. It's not why I come to LGF.

513 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:04:31pm

re: #491 Joel

You will stand out.


red, white and blue on 4th of july.
fck the nazis and paulbots.
sheeeeesh.

514 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:04:35pm

re: #448 Spare O'Lake

My Canadian Two Cent Take on the Tea Parties:

The original Boston Tea Party in 1773 was a dramatic pre-revolutionary tax revolt against the British colonial power.

The present "Tea Parties" seem to be nothing of the kind and pale in comparison. Rather they seem to be more akin to simple political organizing events for the right wing of the GOP.

Some extreme right wingers see these gatherings as recruitment opportunities for their own far right fringe groups - this seems like an irrelevant red herring.

BTW, why do the organizers call these gatherings "Tea Parties"? To do so seems misleading at best. Do they hope thereby to gain some kind of legitimacy by trading off the name of a bona fide historical event?

In any case, the concept of organizing the right wing of the GOP into a cohesive faction is what some perceive as a threat to the very existence of the GOP, while others see it as an attempt to hijack the GOP.

What seems to be lacking is any kind of comparable organizing activity by the centre of the party. And I guess that is upsetting a lot of folks.

What's upsetting me is that any political movement is eventually taken over by the extremists -- e.g., feminists, gays, anti-war, etc. I guess we can't stop it from eventually happening with the tea parties (you're right, stupid name), but if the Paulians and Nazis take them over, it will be a hijacking.

What's also upsetting me is that conservatives are going to be out of power for the next 30 years if we don't stop trying to kick each other out of the party (referring to the center and the right, some of whom apparently dislike each other more than they do the Democrats).

515 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:04:39pm

re: #499 NY Nana

I have not gone into the city since 9/11...

And as I am disabled, I doubt that I will. Don't worry. There are Jew haters and self-hating Jews in the 'burbs, also. *Sigh*

The H1N1 influenza is not spreading as quickly as the pandemic of Jew hate world-wide.

Much of the Jew hatred is not so open, no it is actually done in rather handsome surroundings such as classes at Columbia University (Bir Zeit on the Hudson) led by people such as Joseph Massad and Obama's buddy Rashid Khalidi where you can hear talk about the destruction of the Jewish nation in such genteel terms (think Tony Judt) rather then in Stormtrooper lingo.

516 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:05:00pm

re: #495 reine.de.tout

I would love a picture of that.
Particularly those red patent sandals.

There is an old woman sitting with a floor seat at the Magic game..She may be wearing the ugliest outfit i have seen in years..
I'm may be leaning towards having fashion police.. I mean it was definitely a Felony in anybodies book..
/

517 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:05:26pm

re: #508 Thanos

It doesn't matter what you saw at the NY tea party. The constitution party was there recruiting. Ron Paulbots were there. Glen Beck's 9-12 was there. Stormfront was there, they don't show up with swastika armbands anymore.

David Duke put the nazis here in the US in suits a couple of decades ago, keep up with the times.

Oh, and here's the Paulians saying "We invented the tea parties and we wants them back!"

Nobody here is saying that they are 100 percent birchers, paulians, or whatever. A lot of good normal Republicans are going to them. Some of the parties have questionable organizers, be aware of what else is working there. There are groups out for their benefit, not the Republican parties. From the photo spread at UI's place, NY was probably one of the better ones.

The primary organizers of my local "tea party" are members of the "constitution party". But I would be willing to bet most of the folks there had no clue what the "constitution party" is all about. The only reason I knew is that I am well informed here.

518 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:05:45pm

re: #513 nyc redneck

red, white and blue on 4th of july.
fck the nazis and paulbots.
sheeeeesh.

And a bar-b-que later in the citadel where we can all pig out!

519 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:04pm

re: #503 Sharmuta

I need a drink

It won't help.

Presently, to distract myself from the nightmare of present politics, I'm drawing together some old fragments into a coherent romance novel, and figuring out where the actual end point is - a bunch of things got written that aren't going to stay.

It's a lot less depressing. Even if, reading things I worked up in 2000-2002, it's really weird to read.

520 opnion  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:07pm

Just from what I observed of the Chicago Tea Party, White Supremists aren't goingto get a lot of recruitring done.
These people are not about race, they were prtesting the out of control economic poliies of the government.

521 ShanghaiEd  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:09pm

re: #370 flyers1974

When it comes to disgusting ads, this one always stands out for me...Vietnam vet and triple amputee Max Cleland, shamed for being "soft on defense" by the GOP's Saxby Chamblis. Just abominable.

Cleland's opponent, Saxby Chambliss, who sat out Vietnam with a bad knee, aired a spot featuring unflattering pictures of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein ... and Max Cleland. Chambliss charged Cleland, the Vietnam vet amputee, was soft on national security because he'd voted against creating the Homeland Security Act. In truth, Cleland co-wrote the legislation to create the Homeland Security Department, but objected to repeated attempts by the White House to deprive future Homeland Security employees of traditional civil service protection.

522 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:27pm

re: #151 Alouette

Yeah, taking came of his mother's basement.

523 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:27pm

re: #482 nyc redneck

well, i've planned my outfit for the 4th of july tea party.
navy denim capri pants, ankle length w/ contrasting red top stitching.
a red and white boat neck stripe cap sleeve "tea" shirt. (one size too small)
a medium brim natural straw hat w/ a red and white polka dot hat band.
red patent leather sandals.
red patent leather pocket book.

big american flag.

What, no shiny white go-go boots?

524 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:36pm

re: #495 reine.de.tout

hey reine,
i'll document the event.

525 itellu3times  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:06:40pm

re: #461 Dianna

This has got to be - to some degree, at least - wishful thinking on the part of the racists. Maybe thirty years ago, they might have made some headway. These days? Surely, most people react with revulsion?

Or am I speaking for myself alone?

Revulsion, no. Dismissal, perhaps. The fear is that they find it completely novel. I suppose there will be a mixture, and if the nazis can go from 0.001% to 0.01%, it will be big news for them.

526 Mich-again  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:15pm

I might just go to a tea party with a Go Away Kooks sign.

Nah.

527 JHW  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:18pm

Past experience I've had is where there are any large gatherings of people protesting government policies there will be some that try to exploit people's frustrations for their own ends. This was evident to me when here in Washington state when we had protests over the devastation of small town economies during the spotted owl thing. Both communists and KKK types were passing out literature that were trolling for recruits, but not explicitly, and were both trying to hide their backgrounds and associations. None of them got any traction that I know of, but they were all exploiting peoples fears and economic troubles for their own gain. Some of these pamphlets were pretty slick in their half-truths and selective choice of information. They were a tiny minority of those attending, but they were there, like vultures, looking for any scraps they could pick up.

528 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:27pm
529 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:30pm

re: #508 Thanos


Oh, and here's the Paulians saying "We invented the tea parties and we wants them back!"


Funny how they couldn't drum up support for their protest, isn't it?

530 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:34pm

re: #508 Thanos

How come they did not try to recruit me? Is aw a handful of them at the back of the line and gave them a disadainful look.

531 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:39pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

Sorry - someone was at the door!

KCB = Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Question: is the order of Bath, the same as the Knights of the Garter. I recognize the motto, but I may be getting confused on my chivalric orders.

532 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:07:48pm

re: #507 austin_blue

You wanna name call, or would you rather drop the condescension? TFK rules, sport.

Best ya realize that.

Then you may play with the grownups.

533 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:08:32pm

re: #493 LudwigVanQuixote

This is a very very good post. I am not a Dem, but I really do hear you.

One can hate America, all that stuff, but money is money. You can be a radical professor at the most radical university, but if you see your personal bottom line go down, i.e., a substantive increase in your taxes, then its no longer fun and games. All this economic talk is over my head, but that ok. I'm confident that if the man earning say 40k has his taxes increase by any noticible amount, Obama would be toast. And I'm sure Obama knows this.

534 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:08:38pm

re: #510 jaunte

Keep an eye out for flyers at the tea parties with E.N.O.U.G.H. used as an acronym for various points of disgruntlement. Those handing them out are getting their ideas from Stormfront.

A very good point.

I may have been one of six people who could read the one page flyer handed out at the Tea Party in San Jose and realize it was a "Constitution Party" production.

Most people read it and laughed, though.

535 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:09:07pm
The Council of Conservative Citizens is the organization that Ann Coulter has defended against charges that they are a white supremacist group [...]

Charles, forgive me for making so bold, but would it be possible for you to exclude Ann Orexia's banner ads from LGF? There's one at the top as I type.

536 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:09:45pm

re: #515 Joel

Ahhh, Columbia...my oldest went to grad school there, as what he was studying is not taught everywhere. They were the best. Alas, he married into a rabidly Demonrat family...and he is now a certified moonbat, but I love him anyway. My DIL's parents live in Monsey, ironically.

537 Captain Cool  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:09:52pm

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

American Renaissance is neither anti-Semitic not White Supremacist. Their only policy goals are the same as what many posters here want: An end to immigration and racial preferences. Too bad they're eager to appear with elements like David Duke and the Council of Conservative Citizens. Doesn't do much to help their reputation.

538 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

I think that's a little out of line.

You're refusing to listen, and that just doesn't help.

539 ShanghaiEd  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:10:21pm

re: #461 Dianna

This has got to be - to some degree, at least - wishful thinking on the part of the racists. Maybe thirty years ago, they might have made some headway. These days? Surely, most people react with revulsion?

Or am I speaking for myself alone?

Unfortunately, racial hatred is alive and growing. The Southern Poverty Law Center is one good source for tracking the hate groups:
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

540 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:10:44pm

re: #500 taxfreekiller

austin-blue

I'm the great, great, great, great gand son of the Apache chief Mangus Colorados, he fought the Spanish, then the Mexicans and then the Americans to keep the Apache lands.

screw you,,,, loon Democrat from Austin kook Kuntry of Kults

Outstanding! Congratulations on your genetics! It fits directly into that classic Republic of Texas mythos. Well done!

What does that have to do with your political positions in re: to the Paulians? And gee, that cheap shot at Austin was classy!

541 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:10:47pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

American Renaissance is neither anti-Semitic not White Supremacist. Their only policy goals are the same as what many posters here want: An end to immigration and racial preferences. Too bad they're eager to appear with elements like David Duke and the Council of Conservative Citizens. Doesn't do much to help their reputation.

Well, no ... it actually ruins it.

542 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:10:48pm
543 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:10:50pm

re: #516 HoosierHoops

There is an old woman sitting with a floor seat at the Magic game..She may be wearing the ugliest outfit i have seen in years..
I'm may be leaning towards having fashion police.. I mean it was definitely a Felony in anybodies book..
/

I see some people and I have to wonder - do they have a full-length mirror anywhere in their house? Do they even have a mirror of any sort in their house? I really wonder how some folks can walk outdoors looking the way they do.

544 J.D.  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:10:53pm

re: #535 Cato the Elder

It's just an ad, not an endorsement.

545 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:11:41pm

re: #542 Iron Fist

Mu.

Alpha?

546 American Sabra  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:11:45pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

When you're sharing a platform with David Duke, I think it's time to rethink the platform.

547 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:11:57pm

re: #535 Cato the Elder

Charles, forgive me for making so bold, but would it be possible for you to exclude Ann Orexia's banner ads from LGF? There's one at the top as I type.

If everyone refers to her as you have, as Ann Orexia, her ads will disappear all by themselves.

548 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:12:17pm

re: #543 reine.de.tout

I see some people and I have to wonder - do they have a full-length mirror anywhere in their house? Do they even have a mirror of any sort in their house? I really wonder how some folks can walk outdoors looking the way they do.

HEY! Goodwill has what Goodwill has, OK?

/

549 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:12:27pm

re: #542 Iron Fist

Mu.

eh?

550 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:12:35pm

re: #461 Dianna

This has got to be - to some degree, at least - wishful thinking on the part of the racists. Maybe thirty years ago, they might have made some headway. These days? Surely, most people react with revulsion?

Or am I speaking for myself alone?

I'd say you are speaking for the vast majority, but there is still a sizable minority that is overtly, or quietly racist. Most estimate it at 10-15% of the population. As to the revulsion, look at some of racist e-mails we all get now and then.

551 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:12:50pm

Anyone who would like to be better able to identify a nascent fascist movement should read Robert Paxton's The Anatomy of Fascism.
Some of the symptoms may seem familiar.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

552 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:05pm

re: #523 Spare O'Lake

What, no shiny white go-go boots?

i could wear them but they don't work as well w/ the pocketbook,
as the red strappy sandals.
maybe i should wear steel toe motor cycle boots in case i have to kick some nazi ass
;)

553 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:10pm

re: #536 NY Nana

Ahhh, Columbia...my oldest went to grad school there, as what he was studying is not taught everywhere. They were the best. Alas, he married into a rabidly Demonrat family...and he is now a certified moonbat, but I love him anyway. My DIL's parents live in Monsey, ironically.

One of my coworkers an Orthodox guy lives in Monsey (in Monsey the Neturei Karta had a synagogue that was burned down). Caroline Glick actual called her alma mater (Columbia University) ""Bir Zeit on the Hudson" and also sated that she grew up in Highland Park section of Chicago Illinois "an America hating, Israel hating, enclave whose most famous resident is now President of the United States - Barack Obama fits that neighborhood very well"

554 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:14pm

Good evening, honcos. Just took some time to look into the Constitution Party because I was not familiar with them......creepy, indeed.

555 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:33pm

re: #533 flyers1974

One can hate America, all that stuff, but money is money. You can be a radical professor at the most radical university, but if you see your personal bottom line go down, i.e., a substantive increase in your taxes, then its no longer fun and games. All this economic talk is over my head, but that ok. I'm confident that if the man earning say 40k has his taxes increase by any noticible amount, Obama would be toast. And I'm sure Obama knows this.

I'm actually an independent. I don't think all Dems hate America. I don't think all Republicans are fiscally responsible.

There really isn't a party that would fit me well today.

I might have made a good TR Republican, if his racial outlook wasn't one tiny step away from Nazi. I Probably would have made a good Federalist back in the day.

556 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:40pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

Been there, done that, never will (Lord willing) do it again. But I was grateful for the temporary help. And contrary to many conceptions, it ain't exactly the lap O' luxury.

557 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:48pm

re: #521 ShanghaiEd

When it comes to disgusting ads, this one always stands out for me...Vietnam vet and triple amputee Max Cleland, shamed for being "soft on defense" by the GOP's Saxby Chamblis. Just abominable.

Its hard to cry for politicians when its their turn to get nailed by a nasty ad, but the one you mention was hard to swallow.

558 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:13:48pm
559 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:14:00pm

re: #542 Iron Fist

Mu.

Ancients of?

560 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:14:31pm

re: #552 nyc redneck

i could wear them but they don't work as well w/ the pocketbook,
as the red strappy sandals.
maybe i should wear steel toe motor cycle boots in case i have to kick some nazi ass
;)

I bet you do have a full-length mirror in your house.
I bet when you leave your house, you look GREAT.
But the boots might be a good idea.

561 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:15:09pm

re: #558 Iron Fist

If nothing happens (and I don't expect it to) taxes will go up next year when Bush's tax cuts expire. People may not realize that it has happened, though, until they wind up owing more in the spring of 2011. Then, of course, it'll be too late. Almost as if by design...

Obamabots will still vote for him in 2012.

562 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

You just showed your true colors.

I don't want an end to immigration. I want an end to illegal immigration, and the vile exploitation and second-class citizenship implied by "guest worker" visas are quite unacceptable to me, first as an American, and second as a human being.

Kilgore was right. The bad ones are crawling into the light.

563 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:15:33pm

re: #550 avanti

I'd say you are speaking for the vast majority, but there is still a sizable minority that is overtly, or quietly racist. Most estimate it at 10-15% of the population. As to the revulsion, look at some of racist e-mails we all get now and then.

Nazis are racists, but not all racists are Nazis. I could introduce you to a half-dozen WW2 combat vets who are likely old-school racists down deep, but would beat a perceived Nazi threat to death with their colostomy bags and hearing aid wires.

564 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:15:59pm

re: #552 nyc redneck

i could wear them but they don't work as well w/ the pocketbook,
as the red strappy sandals.
maybe i should wear steel toe motor cycle boots in case i have to kick some nazi ass
;)

Pointy cowboy boots!

565 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:16:18pm

re: #518 Joel

And a bar-b-que later in the citadel where we can all pig out!

let's plan the menu soon.

566 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:16:28pm

re: #544 J.D.

It's just an ad, not an endorsement.

I know. And right now she's gone again. I was just sayin'.

567 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #539 ShanghaiEd

Unfortunately, racial hatred is alive and growing. The Southern Poverty Law Center is one good source for tracking the hate groups:
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

Excuse me, but I know SPLC. Don't presume with me.

No, they're not growing. They're splintering, and some of the splinters are becoming much more dangerous.

568 Joel  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:16:58pm

re: #565 nyc redneck

Will do. Off to bed.

569 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:17:15pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

American Renaissance is neither anti-Semitic not White Supremacist. Their only policy goals are the same as what many posters here want: An end to immigration and racial preferences. Too bad they're eager to appear with elements like David Duke and the Council of Conservative Citizens. Doesn't do much to help their reputation.

Being the descendent of immigrants - as is everyone else here posting who isn't from one of the native tribes, I fail too see how Americans get to be anti immigrant. I am not saying that we shouldn't regulate immagration, but the idea of being against it is pretty anti American.

570 J.D.  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:17:30pm

re: #566 Cato the Elder

I know. And right now she's gone again. I was just sayin'.

I know.
She's on mine right now.
It helps keep the doors open, that's all.

571 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:17:31pm
572 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:18:03pm

re: #530 Joel

Well the disdainful look would have stopped them, it was a sign you know who they are. They aren't looking for your sort. They are like the moonies, they recognize someone open to their message when they see someone.

573 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:18:05pm

re: #547 unrealizedviewpoint

If everyone refers to her as you have, as Ann Orexia, her ads will disappear all by themselves.

just realized many ppl will have no idea what the above comment means...
Google ads are keyword generated...the word Ann Coulter repeatedly mentioned here will make cause for more will Ann Coulter ads.
/now look what I've done.

574 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:18:07pm

re: #571 Iron Fist

It's Buddhist. I meant it in the fashion of to unask a question. I had a pretty lengthy post on the subject, and decided not to post it.

Hence "Mu".

Well, I will say you confused the hell outta me.

575 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:18:11pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

Get off my website.

I do NOT freaking believe this.

576 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:18:54pm

re: #571 Iron Fist

It's Buddhist. I meant it in the fashion of to unask a question. I had a pretty lengthy post on the subject, and decided not to post it.

Hence "Mu".

I thought it was the first Greek letter of the high school math club, Mu Alpha Theta.

Thanks for the info.

577 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:19:29pm

re: #573 unrealizedviewpoint

ONE MORE TIME ...

/snicker

578 Koyaanistaaqa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:19:44pm

re: #508 Thanos

It doesn't matter what you saw at the NY tea party. The constitution party was there recruiting. Ron Paulbots were there. Glen Beck's 9-12 was there. Stormfront was there, they don't show up with swastika armbands anymore.

David Duke put the nazis here in the US in suits a couple of decades ago, keep up with the times.

Oh, and here's the Paulians saying "We invented the tea parties and we wants them back!"

Nobody here is saying that they are 100 percent birchers, paulians, or whatever. A lot of good normal Republicans are going to them. Some of the parties have questionable organizers, be aware of what else is working there. There are groups out for their benefit, not the Republican parties. From the photo spread at UI's place, NY was probably one of the better ones.

Like I said before, haven't been to one and don't know anyone who has that is a paulian, racist or any of the above. But are parasites attending (or even organizing some), targeting what they must view as potential hosts? Absolutely. That's what parasites do.

So what's the alternative? Write/email/fax my congresscritters & local pols? Done that. Vote fiscal conservative (if there is one on the ballot)? Done that. Write off a very public and visible phenomenon & opt out of the tea-parties? I don't think so. Best to treat parasitic invasions with the appropriate method rather than ignore them. Like the fleas, ticks and tapeworms that they are, they won't 'just go away' if left unchallenged - directly, and personally.

579 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:20:23pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

American Renaissance is neither anti-Semitic not White Supremacist. Their only policy goals are the same as what many posters here want: An end to immigration and racial preferences. Too bad they're eager to appear with elements like David Duke and the Council of Conservative Citizens. Doesn't do much to help their reputation.

So they are the modern-day Know Nothings

580 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:01pm

re: #575 Charles

Get off my website.

I do NOT freaking believe this.

Thank you, Charles.

581 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:03pm

re: #553 Joel

One of my coworkers an Orthodox guy lives in Monsey (in Monsey the Neturei Karta had a synagogue that was burned down). Caroline Glick actual called her alma mater (Columbia University) ""Bir Zeit on the Hudson" and also sated that she grew up in Highland Park section of Chicago Illinois "an America hating, Israel hating, enclave whose most famous resident is now President of the United States - Barack Obama fits that neighborhood very well"

I remember that. We lived in Monsey in the 1960's, and NK had not yet polluted the area....

My daughter, almost-3 year old grandson and son in law live in Williamsburg, and the bandit goes to a Chabad Gan, which is superb....and my daughter stays away from the Satmar area.

I must find a way to insinuate "Bir Zeit on the Hudson"= Columbia into a conversation with my son. Too true.

582 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:14pm

re: #532 irongrampa

You wanna name call, or would you rather drop the condescension? TFK rules, sport.

Best ya realize that.

Then you may play with the grownups.

Read this.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

TFK could be a charter member.

TFK sez:

"I'm the great, great, great, great gand son of the Apache chief Mangus Colorados, he fought the Spanish, then the Mexicans and then the Americans to keep the Apache lands."

And my great, great, &c grandpa was freakin' Charlemagne. WTF is that and why is it relevant to the discussion about the tax protests? Sheesh.

583 wiffersnapper  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:42pm

Helping or hurting, CCC, helping or hurting?

584 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:42pm

re: #555 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm actually an independent. I don't think all Dems hate America. I don't think all Republicans are fiscally responsible.

There really isn't a party that would fit me well today.

I might have made a good TR Republican, if his racial outlook wasn't one tiny step away from Nazi. I Probably would have made a good Federalist back in the day.

I'm a big fan of TR, at least of what I think I recall about him. I'm thinking he was definitely a "white man's burden" kind of guy, but on the other hand, I think he was the first or one of the first to publicly dine with a black man at the Whitehorse. Speaking of arrogant, I seem to recall reading that he had a plan to "simplify" the English language by shortening some words, combining two words into one, Imagine a modern President having a plan to change the English language...

585 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:47pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

You stupid cock-sucking bastard!

586 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:22:04pm

re: #582 austin_blue

TFK has earned the right to say whatever he likes.

587 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:22:20pm

American Renaissance for those wondering....

588 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:22:40pm

re: #511 Dianna

Isn't that the Garter's motto?

re: #531 LudwigVanQuixote

Question: is the order of Bath, the same as the Knights of the Garter. I recognize the motto, but I may be getting confused on my chivalric orders.

Dianna is right - I was using the Garter's motto for its meaning, not for being that of the Bath. "Shame to him who thinks ill of it."

That of the Bath is "tria juntca in uno" or "ich dien" (for the military division. The latter motto is also that of the Prince of Wales, if I'm remembering aright.

589 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:23:01pm

re: #582 austin_blue

Read this.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

TFK could be a charter member.

TFK sez:

"I'm the great, great, great, great gand son of the Apache chief Mangus Colorados, he fought the Spanish, then the Mexicans and then the Americans to keep the Apache lands."

And my great, great, &c grandpa was freakin' Charlemagne. WTF is that and why is it relevant to the discussion about the tax protests? Sheesh.

Wow. You stretched the hell outta that, didn't you?

590 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:23:08pm

captain cool, not cool.
really uncool man.

591 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:23:39pm

re: #560 reine.de.tout

lol,
ok i'll take it under advisement. it will be like going back to the '80's.

592 austin_blue  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #586 jaunte

TFK has earned the right to say whatever he likes.

Not if it is idiotarion. That's the point here.

593 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:24:27pm
594 Jetpilot1101  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:24:34pm

Just dropped in and it looks like we have a meltdown in progress.

OT: Terminator Salvation is an excellent movie for those who like Sci Fi and the whole terminator story.

595 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:24:50pm

re: #585 MandyManners

I don't like the phrasing, but I agree with the sentiment.

596 Koyaanistaaqa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:24:52pm

re: #585 MandyManners

re: #585 MandyManners

You stupid cock-sucking bastard!

Apparently that parasite prefers to suck something other than blood.

/

597 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:24:53pm

re: #592 austin_blue

Consider being slower to judgment.

598 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:25:29pm

re: #502 Alouette

Who is talking about the AJC? They are a bunch of JINOs

You sound like Pam.

Who died and made you keeper of the book of life?

599 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:25:35pm

re: #584 flyers1974

I'm a big fan of TR, at least of what I think I recall about him. I'm thinking he was definitely a "white man's burden" kind of guy, but on the other hand, I think he was the first or one of the first to publicly dine with a black man at the Whitehorse. Speaking of arrogant, I seem to recall reading that he had a plan to "simplify" the English language by shortening some words, combining two words into one, Imagine a modern President having a plan to change the English language...

There is an awful lot to admire about TR and I do. He was in many ways socially progressive whilst interested in maintaining a strong and muscular foriegn policy and while very pro capitalist, was capable of understanding when regulations needed to be enforced.

However, you should read some of his racial views in the "Winning of the West." He is very much a "social darwinist." And yes, I know how loaded that term is. But he was one of it's proponents.

600 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:25:36pm

re: #191 Charles

Of my twenty three year working career, I've spent three months on unemployment, looking EVERY DAY for work. I'd consider that a pretty good ratio. Thanks Charles! Kudos!

601 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:25:45pm

re: #597 jaunte

Consider being slower to judgment.

Or just shutting the hell up if you don't know what you're talking about.

;)

602 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:26:32pm

re: #598 Cato the Elder

You sound like Pam.

Who died and made you keeper of the book of life?

Pam does not own the copyright on JINO.

603 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:26:38pm

re: #592 austin_blue

Get a grip. TFK is actually more than a bit of a genius. I'll think he's off his head on a point, then, three months later, what he's predicted comes to pass.

Back up, breathe, remember that he's integrated at some level the rest of us are missing.

604 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:00pm

re: #296 Joel

Barry Goldwater was called a ruthless war mongering fascist by the Left/Liberals that Killgore Trout seems to be ideologically in tune with.

The sad part is that Goldwater would have been a much better president than Johnson. LBJ was a machine politician who took a certain amount of delight in political dirty tricks. My feeling is that he upped the ante in Vietnam to distract people from seeing how his Great Society was tanking. Goldwater, IIRC, didn't want us to be there in the first place.

605 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:03pm

re: #585 MandyManners

You stupid cock-sucking bastard!

In that case, your reply was better than mine!

606 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:14pm

re: #586 jaunte

TFK has earned the right to say whatever he likes.

And trust me, he will. :) He's the Ying to my Yang, and we never agree, but he's a fun read.

607 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #537 Captain Cool

American Renaissance is neither anti-Semitic not White Supremacist.

I just spent a grand total of 90 seconds on their vile website and I can say without a doubt .... you are full of shit.

608 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:32pm

re: #588 Cato the Elder

Thank you - the response was off the top of my head, and could so easily have been wrong.

609 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:47pm

re: #193 Ojoe

And may you live long and prosper for doing so!

610 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:57pm

re: #592 austin_blue

Idiotarian my tailbone. TFK's the antithesis of idiotarian,AB--READ what he says instead of condescendingly mocking him.

You should hope someday to be half the man he is.

611 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:58pm

re: #603 Dianna

And he also has 36 deleted comments.

612 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:27:59pm

re: #602 Alouette

Pam does not own the copyright on JINO.

So you decide who's a real Jew and who isn't?

GPUAR.

613 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:28:26pm

re: #608 Dianna

Thank you - the response was off the top of my head, and could so easily have been wrong.


I always like Cato's posts.

614 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:28:47pm

re: #611 Charles

There's the flip side of saying whatever he likes!

615 VioletTiger  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:29:04pm

re: #550 avanti

I'd say you are speaking for the vast majority, but there is still a sizable minority that is overtly, or quietly racist. Most estimate it at 10-15% of the population. As to the revulsion, look at some of racist e-mails we all get now and then.


No we all --I've never gotten a racist email - now or ever.

616 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:29:53pm

re: #605 LudwigVanQuixote

In that case, your reply was better than mine!

I thought mine was pretty good, though. *sniffle*

617 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:30:36pm

re: #611 Charles

And he also has 36 deleted comments.

Whoa!

I don't believe I'd ever seen him before. Was he a "dead thread commenter"?

618 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:31:08pm

re: #299 ShanghaiEd

I'm curious as to how you can determine a "creep" purely by visual inspection. For example, the vast majority of white supremacists don't have skinheads. Most of them look a lot like me. Or, I'd wager, you.

Heh. I saw a skinhead once who had a very visible swastika tattoo on the top of his head. I'm not sure how I managed to not brain him.

My consolation is that the idiot's job prospects are effectively zero.

619 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:31:27pm

re: #617 Dianna

Whoa!

I don't believe I'd ever seen him before. Was he a "dead thread commenter"?

I'm not talking about austin_blue.

620 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:31:33pm

re: #612 Cato the Elder

So you decide who's a real Jew and who isn't?

GPUAR.

You like the AJC? You think they are useful? Doing great stuff? Fine with me. Send them your money.

621 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:31:41pm

re: #587 Thanos

American Renaissance for those wondering....

Here's the web archive for American Renaissance on Way Back Machine. It goes back to 1996. Some of the earlier years are excplicitly racist. Also found a newsletter supporting Front National, Jean-Marie Le Pen, et al. The usual suspects.

622 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:31:56pm

re: #615 VioletTiger

No we all --I've never gotten a racist email - now or ever.

May the day come when we can all say that.

623 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:31:57pm

re: #616 Dianna

I thought mine was pretty good, though. *sniffle*

Dianna, please forgive me... Your post was wonderful too. Mandy and I had a joke upthread about who had a better reply to something...

You know I love you right?

624 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:09pm

re: #602 Alouette

re: #612 Cato the Elder

Please, take it outside.

625 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:12pm
626 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:14pm

re: #615 VioletTiger

No we all --I've never gotten a racist email - now or ever.

I don't know anyone stupid enough to send me a racist email.

627 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:28pm

re: #593 Iron Fist

ooohhhh
I like, sneaky nasty hurty

628 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:30pm

re: #611 Charles

And he also has 36 deleted comments.

Is there a distinction between comments deleted for quoting and comments deleted for rule violations?

629 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:41pm

re: #619 Charles

I'm not talking about austin_blue.

Oh.

630 Ojoe  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:32:43pm
631 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:33:10pm

re: #621 Gus 802

Here's the web archive for American Renaissance on Way Back Machine. It goes back to 1996. Some of the earlier years are excplicitly racist. Also found a newsletter supporting Front National, Jean-Marie Le Pen, et al. The usual suspects.

Yes, and the whole FCF/Rockford stable of writers is there.

632 right_wing2  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:33:10pm

Just what we need- another excuse for a bunch of racists of ANY stripe to get together.

Isn't there a line somewhere in a founding document that goes something like 'We hold these truths to be self evident, that ALL MEN are created equal'? Am I missing something there? Did the men who wrote that not mean it? Or does it just not apply today?

//

633 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:33:34pm

re: #610 irongrampa

Idiotarian my tailbone. TFK's the antithesis of idiotarian,AB--READ what he says instead of condescendingly mocking him.

You should hope someday to be half the man he is.

I read what TFK says on a daily basis. Can't say I've ever really gotten him, though.

It's plain he hates John Kerry and a bunch of other people. For the rest, shall we say he tends to be a bit abstruse?

And frankly after all these years I still find his nic more than a little disturbing. Or disturbed. Take your pick.

634 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:33:40pm

re: #621 Gus 802

Forgive me, but I'm not going there. I've already washed my hair once this evening.

635 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:34:06pm

re: #562 Dianna

Captain Cool seems to have reached room temperature.

636 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:34:35pm

re: #615 VioletTiger

No we all --I've never gotten a racist email - now or ever.

I don't know you well, so I have composed a form letter.

Dear Violet Tiger:

As a true
[]American
[]Paulian
[]Stormfronter
[]PATRIOT

I wish all of you brightly-colored animals would
[]go back where you came from
[]integrate with the white tigers
[]get out of my head

because you are all
[]keeping me awake at night
[]using up my oxygen
[]in my computer, stealing mah interwebs!

Please, do so immediately.

[]With Christ's enduring love,
[]by Thor's hammer,
[]RON PAUL!
[]luv and snuggles,

A racist

637 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:34:47pm

re: #569 LudwigVanQuixote

Being the descendent of immigrants - as is everyone else here posting who isn't from one of the native tribes, I fail too see how Americans get to be anti immigrant. I am not saying that we shouldn't regulate immagration, but the idea of being against it is pretty anti American.

I'm an immigration lawyer. From where I stand, I think there are serious benefits and serious detriments regarding our illegal immigrants. Many of them do pay their taxes (and those who don't, usually don't out of the mistaken fear that paying taxes will lead to getting caught.) They help many businesses survive that otherwise could not. On the other hand, there are definitly places that are overwhelmed by their numbers and in regard to their services, i.e., hospital treatment... Its a serious problem that deserves serious thought. The issue is absolutely explosive however. More explosive than abortion, you name it in my opinion. Hence, nothing will be done. Too many other fish to fry.

638 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:34:56pm

re: #623 LudwigVanQuixote

Dianna, please forgive me... Your post was wonderful too. Mandy and I had a joke upthread about who had a better reply to something...

You know I love you right?

Thank you, and don't worry about it.

I admire Mandy's willingness to just tell people off. My desire to be cogent sometimes leaves me so far behind that it's irrelevant.

639 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:35:16pm

re: #620 Alouette

You like the AJC? You think they are useful? Doing great stuff? Fine with me. Send them your money.

I think calling an entire set of people "Jews in name only" is very bad form.

And that's the last I'll say about it, or to you. Ever.

640 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:35:16pm

re: #634 Dianna

Forgive me, but I'm not going there. I've already washed my hair once this evening.

No problem. It's a link to the Wayback archives so there's like two front doors. ;) Once you get through however you'll have to take a bath upon return.

641 VioletTiger  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:35:18pm

re: #626 Wendya

I don't know anyone stupid enough to send me a racist email.

Hey, when people send me crap I don't like I let them know about it.

642 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:36:01pm
643 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:36:32pm

I'm checking out a bit, I have a post to finish up on the fossil I found in my backyard.

644 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:36:49pm

Just to be crystal clear ... anyone who promotes or makes excuses for groups like American Renaissance at LGF is going to lose their account. Period. End of story. I won't stand for it.

645 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:37:07pm
646 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:37:44pm

re: #643 Thanos

I'm checking out a bit, I have a post to finish up on the fossil I found in my backyard.

Yes, we need Helen Thomas at the White House tomorrow 9 am sharp.

/

647 VioletTiger  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:38:09pm

re: #636 OldLineTexan

...sigh...
But at least you didn't send of pic of that creepy Gliebe guy. Is it me or does it look like the cat in the painting behind him is going to step right on his shoulders?

648 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:38:22pm

re: #633 Cato the Elder

Read his comments as blank verse, and think in terms of poetry of the more heavily imagined variety.

Before long, if you take his work as a gestalt, you'll start seeing what I'm talking about. He's brilliant, and he is prophetic. That, or he knows more about what he's talking about than I can quite fathom.

649 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:38:39pm

re: #646 OldLineTexan

Yes, we need Helen Thomas at the White House tomorrow 9 am sharp.

/

He found the fossil of a troll?

650 redc1c4  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:38:51pm

re: #430 Joel

Out of curiosity and I know it is not my business but you went from being a great fan of George W. Bush to being somewhat skeptical (to say the least ) of the GOP. Who did you vote for in the last election?

Sarah Palin

651 right_wing2  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:39:03pm

re: #645 Iron Fist

I should have maybe been a bit more clear. True, it's not a legally binding document (not that that'd matter to some people on the left and right), but as you said, it's looking at the original intent.

652 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:39:15pm

re: #612 Cato the Elder

So you decide who's a real Jew and who isn't?

Who died and named you King?

FOAD.

653 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:39:18pm

re: #648 Dianna

Read his comments as blank verse, and think in terms of poetry of the more heavily imagined variety.

Before long, if you take his work as a gestalt, you'll start seeing what I'm talking about. He's brilliant, and he is prophetic. That, or he knows more about what he's talking about than I can quite fathom.

You might change your mind if I start quoting some of the deleted comments.

654 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #644 Charles

Go, Charles!

There's nothing more disgusting than thinly guised racists.

655 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:40:03pm

re: #633 Cato the Elder

You just have to read him carefully. He hates JFK with very good reason (as do I), and his nic resonates perfectly with me.

656 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:40:07pm

re: #647 VioletTiger

I wouldn't send someone I didn't know a photo.

Post annoying crap and make them sigh, maybe ... but junk mail? Never!

657 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:40:15pm

re: #638 Dianna

Thank you, and don't worry about it.

I admire Mandy's willingness to just tell people off. My desire to be cogent sometimes leaves me so far behind that it's irrelevant.


I too wrote something less emotional to mr cool. Upthread, she had said "I would have just written F off... but I like yours better" to something else I had written in detailed "ludwig goes professor" fashion.

In this case though, her Hearty F* you was quite on the money. Since course, Charles banned him instantly, he at least got the emotional content of what should have been said to him before he left :)

658 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:40:27pm
659 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:40:48pm

re: #649 Wendya

He found the fossil of a troll?

She's fond of turnips.

660 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:41:27pm

re: #644 Charles

Just to be crystal clear ... anyone who promotes or makes excuses for groups like American Renaissance at LGF is going to lose their account. Period. End of story. I won't stand for it.

No worries with that here. I might enjoy a little more time to roast them before you toss them, but that is your call.

661 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:41:33pm
662 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:42:14pm

re: #624 Spare O'Lake

Alouette is not the bad guy. Trust me. Cato is not fit to lick her boots.

663 Jetpilot1101  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:42:35pm

re: #644 Charles

Just to be crystal clear ... anyone who promotes or makes excuses for groups like American Renaissance at LGF is going to lose their account. Period. End of story. I won't stand for it.

Quick question Charles. The clinically insane folks over at LGF2 claim that the ADL is a "openly leftist source". Not that I believe any of what those cretins spew over there but is there any truth to that statement at all or did I answer my own question?

664 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:42:36pm

re: #651 right_wing2

I should have maybe been a bit more clear. True, it's not a legally binding document (not that that'd matter to some people on the left and right), but as you said, it's looking at the original intent.

I would argue that they didn't mean all "men". Otherwise, why on earth would they use that as justification to institute a government that did not address slavery?

It's not my intention to belittle the founders. It was a different time and during that time, certain classes of people were seen as "property".

665 J.S.  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:42:36pm

re: #644 Charles

I've heard of Taylor, the racist (he's been invited up to Canada for "academic" "debates"), but never heard of the "American Renaissance"...

666 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:43:04pm

re: #662 NY Nana

{NANA}

667 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:43:33pm

re: #638 Dianna

Thank you, and don't worry about it.

I admire Mandy's willingness to just tell people off. My desire to be cogent sometimes leaves me so far behind that it's irrelevant.

Well, my desire to be succinct has its problems.

668 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:44:32pm

re: #637 flyers1974

I'm an immigration lawyer. From where I stand, I think there are serious benefits and serious detriments regarding our illegal immigrants. Many of them do pay their taxes (and those who don't, usually don't out of the mistaken fear that paying taxes will lead to getting caught.) They help many businesses survive that otherwise could not. On the other hand, there are definitly places that are overwhelmed by their numbers and in regard to their services, i.e., hospital treatment... Its a serious problem that deserves serious thought. The issue is absolutely explosive however. More explosive than abortion, you name it in my opinion. Hence, nothing will be done. Too many other fish to fry.

There are also people who have trouble making ends meet because they've depressed the pay scales in some industries.
A friend of mine is a house painter (some high-end work; I'll supply his URL if you want; central to Eastern Mass, southern NH)
He can't make any money at the prices some of the other outfits quote, probably because they hire illegals.

669 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:45:01pm

re: #661 Iron Fist

I didn't so much as vote for anyone as vote against Obama. I'd do it again. Probably will in 2012.

Same here. The last time I voted for someone was Ronald Reagan.

670 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:45:03pm

re: #663 Jetpilot1101

Quick question Charles. The clinically insane folks over at LGF2 claim that the ADL is a "openly leftist source". Not that I believe any of what those cretins spew over there but is there any truth to that statement at all or did I answer my own question?

ADL is ADL. They are not what I would call openly leftist. There have been individual members that one can take issues with, but the main point of ADL, the anti defamation league is to get out there and combat people who are saying all sorts of mean things about Jews. In principle, and for the most part, that agenda crosses party lines for Jews who are opposed to such things.

671 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:45:24pm

re: #663 Jetpilot1101

The fact that it comes from that sewer of babbling idiocy should tell you everything you need to know.

672 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:45:39pm

re: #662 NY Nana

Alouette is not the bad guy. Trust me. Cato is not fit to lick her boots.

Ah, hello, Nana. How's your friend Ploome these days? You know she's taken to stalking and harassing Lizards at their places of work since she got banned? Charles knows what I'm talking about.

Do have yourself a blessed evening, now.

673 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:45:41pm

go magic! MAGIC WIN! LAKERS(OR NUGGETS), YOU ARE NEXT........

674 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:45:47pm

re: #663 Jetpilot1101

Searching 'ADL leftists' turns up a link to the National Alliance, who agree with LGF2; The National Alliance uses a 'rune' as their logo.

675 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:15pm
676 redc1c4  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:21pm

re: #661 Iron Fist

I didn't so much as vote for anyone as vote against Obama. I'd do it again. Probably will in 2012.

that too...

677 Jetpilot1101  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:23pm

re: #671 Charles

The fact that it comes from that sewer of babbling idiocy should tell you everything you need to know.

I figured as much, just wanted to be clear. Thanks for the answer and keep up the good work. You are appreciated more then you will ever know!

678 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:24pm

Fat Lesbian Neighbour Update:
As I was eating my hydroponic pesto (which was delicious) she unloaded a new light weight electric lawn mower. After a few minutes of struggling a passing cyclist stopped to help her get it assembled, a pair of dog walkers helped her empty the bag, neighbours came out with an extra extension cord.
It's nice to see that people are good. Fat Lesbian is now determined to mow her own lawn and is out there working her heart out.
Here's and idea; Instead of spending this July 4th attending a Rom Paul rally with White Nationalists and 9-11 Truthers, you could instead spend the day helping a nieghbour in need. Fox news won't cover it but maybe it's a better way to show your patriotism.

679 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:41pm
680 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:49pm

re: #653 Charles

You might change your mind if I start quoting some of the deleted comments.

Ah, no! I'm aware that TFK has said things that were 1) objectionable; 2) on occasion, racist; 3) wildly upsetting and violent.

I've reported some, as I recall. What I also recall is that he will say things that I initially dismiss as either paranoid or wildly speculative. Then it turns out he's right.

I have no idea what to make of TFK. I don't think he likes me, but that doesn't worry me. He's not a conventional person, certainly. Nor a comfortable one. Which doesn't mean he isn't extraordinarily interesting.

Or is my novelistic bent showing?

681 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:50pm

re: #664 Wendya

I would argue that they didn't mean all "men". Otherwise, why on earth would they use that as justification to institute a government that did not address slavery?

It's not my intention to belittle the founders. It was a different time and during that time, certain classes of people were seen as "property".

That's why they allowed amendments to the constitution to correct and expand it.

682 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:46:50pm

re: #652 NY Nana

Who died and named you King?

FOAD.

You kiss your grandchildren with that mouth?

683 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:47:03pm

I cannot believe this. My dad has taught TheKid how to play on-line poker recently, and there is a game that is about to end. That's right. It's not ended yet. Yeah, it's summer but, for pity's sake!

684 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:47:40pm

re: #672 Cato the Elder

Ah, hello, Nana. How's your friend Ploome these days? You know she's taken to stalking and harassing Lizards at their places of work since she got banned? Charles knows what I'm talking about.

Do have yourself a blessed evening, now.

Proof?

685 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:47:53pm

re: #673 gtrs

go magic! MAGIC WIN! LAKERS(OR NUGGETS), YOU ARE NEXT........

Yup..Big game...Congrads Magic..Howard was great tonight

686 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:48:11pm

I have turned on the GAZE button.

687 redc1c4  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:48:20pm

re: #675 taxfreekiller

still have my vn helment with "taxfreekiller" on it..... like that,

General Walt said,, if you can back that up, you can keep it on there.

it is still there.

i've got a steel pot & a kevlar...... somewhere.

688 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:48:34pm

re: #662 NY Nana

Um.

I like both.

689 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:49:11pm

re: #662 NY Nana

Alouette is not the bad guy. Trust me. Cato is not fit to lick her boots.

That kind of viciousness is a shundeh (shameful) IMO, regardless of the merits of the argument.

690 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:49:39pm

re: #533 flyers1974

One can hate America, all that stuff, but money is money. You can be a radical professor at the most radical university, but if you see your personal bottom line go down, i.e., a substantive increase in your taxes, then its no longer fun and games. All this economic talk is over my head, but that ok. I'm confident that if the man earning say 40k has his taxes increase by any noticible amount, Obama would be toast. And I'm sure Obama knows this.

That was the basic message last week here in CA. Five of the six propositions went down with a very consistent 2/3 NO vote. The sixth, which forbids pay raises to state legislators if there's a budget deficit, passed handily.

If Obama is as smart as he pretends to be, he'll see the very explicit warning we just gave him.

691 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:50:00pm

re: #668 Kosh's Shadow

There are also people who have trouble making ends meet because they've depressed the pay scales in some industries.
A friend of mine is a house painter (some high-end work; I'll supply his URL if you want; central to Eastern Mass, southern NH)
He can't make any money at the prices some of the other outfits quote, probably because they hire illegals.

No doubt, I'd imagine the house painting field is dominated by illegals. I know it is where I am. The issue is no joke. The problem is, I think, that there is no serious debate as to the cost/benefits and no serious debate as to the solution. It is not a issue you want to touch if you are up for reelection. As an aside - did anyone notice how immigration was not an issue in the last election? It went from being everything to nothing.

692 redc1c4  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:50:35pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout

or maybe we could attend a rally that doesn't suffer from the issues you mention, and make our point.....

contrary to your party line, they can''t all be tainted.

693 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:50:37pm

re: #672 Cato the Elder

Don't, please!

694 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:50:48pm

re: #684 MandyManners

Proof?

Cato the Elder is right.

695 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:51:20pm

And I do know what he's talking about.

696 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:51:29pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Fat Lesbian Neighbour Update:
As I was eating my hydroponic pesto (which was delicious) she unloaded a new light weight electric lawn mower. After a few minutes of struggling a passing cyclist stopped to help her get it assembled, a pair of dog walkers helped her empty the bag, neighbours came out with an extra extension cord.
It's nice to see that people are good. Fat Lesbian is now determined to mow her own lawn and is out there working her heart out.
Here's and idea; Instead of spending this July 4th attending a Rom Paul rally with White Nationalists and 9-11 Truthers, you could instead spend the day helping a nieghbour in need. Fox news won't cover it but maybe it's a better way to show your patriotism.

Guess what? Many of us do that all the time. It ain't no big thing.

697 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:51:31pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Fat Lesbian Neighbour Update:
As I was eating my hydroponic pesto (which was delicious) she unloaded a new light weight electric lawn mower. After a few minutes of struggling a passing cyclist stopped to help her get it assembled, a pair of dog walkers helped her empty the bag, neighbours came out with an extra extension cord.
It's nice to see that people are good. Fat Lesbian is now determined to mow her own lawn and is out there working her heart out.
Here's and idea; Instead of spending this July 4th attending a Rom Paul rally with White Nationalists and 9-11 Truthers, you could instead spend the day helping a nieghbour in need. Fox news won't cover it but maybe it's a better way to show your patriotism.

2 questions:

Why do you keep referring to her as your Fat Lesbian Neighbor?

Why be so condescending by saying:

Instead of spending this July 4th attending a Rom Paul rally with White Nationalists and 9-11 Truthers, you could instead spend the day helping a nieghbour in need. Fox news won't cover it but maybe it's a better way to show your patriotism.

As if you're the only person doing good works...

698 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:51:46pm

This is one danged interesting thread.

699 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:52:10pm

re: #694 Charles

Cato the Elder is right.

Oh, dear.

700 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:52:24pm

re: #698 Occasional Reader

This is one danged interesting thread.

(Although not entirely in a good way.)

701 pingjockey  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:52:30pm

What the hell? Some of y'alls avatars are just a red x!

702 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:52:33pm

Music? ... Jammin ...

703 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:00pm

re: #686 Alouette

I have turned on the GAZE button.

Where on the keyboard is that?

704 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:01pm
705 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:12pm

re: #683 MandyManners

I cannot believe this. My dad has taught TheKid how to play on-line poker recently, and there is a game that is about to end. That's right. It's not ended yet. Yeah, it's summer but, for pity's sake!

You're not - please tell me you're not! - letting your kid play poker?!

Matchsticks, only, and in person, supervised by you!

706 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:20pm

re: #701 pingjockey

What the hell? Some of y'alls avatars are just a red x!

I'll have what pingjockey's having.

707 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:23pm

re: #672 Cato the Elder

Since her banning I have neither heard from her nor contacted her. She was way OTT, and earned her banning. As a Jew who grew up in the DP camps after WWII, who lost so much family, and finally got into Canada with her parents post WWII, she had been through more than any of us had, or could imagine, and that possibly contributed to her burn out.

I remember a year or 2 ago, when she posted that she had received her US citizenship, how ecstatic she was when she posted. It was the Fourth of July.

708 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:58pm

re: #683 MandyManners

ooh mom, calm down
just one more small step in your boy's journey to becoming a man.

they do grow up too fast don't they.

709 pingjockey  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:54:29pm

re: #703 unrealizedviewpoint
Next to the engage switch for the Improbability Drive.

710 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:54:33pm

re: #705 Dianna

Let's not be hasty here, this could be an unanticipated revenue source.

711 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:54:34pm

re: #683 MandyManners

I cannot believe this. My dad has taught TheKid how to play on-line poker recently, and there is a game that is about to end. That's right. It's not ended yet. Yeah, it's summer but, for pity's sake!

Relax.

712 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:54:34pm

re: #703 unrealizedviewpoint

Where on the keyboard is that?

It's the one on the mouse that lets me scroll past posts of baiters.

713 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:02pm

re: #705 Dianna

You're not - please tell me you're not! - letting your kid play poker?!

Matchsticks, only, and in person, supervised by you!

First poker, then canasta ... finally, BRIDGE and a lifetime of decrepitude.

/don't let it happen to YOU

714 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:04pm

re: #555 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm actually an independent. I don't think all Dems hate America. I don't think all Republicans are fiscally responsible.

There really isn't a party that would fit me well today.

I might have made a good TR Republican, if his racial outlook wasn't one tiny step away from Nazi. I Probably would have made a good Federalist back in the day.

I don't think TR was all that much of a racist. The 10th Cav "Buffalo Soldiers" accompanied the Rough Riders on their charge at San Juan Hill.

715 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:11pm

re: #695 Charles

And I do know what he's talking about.

Oh, no. I would be so much happier if that were not the case.

716 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:15pm

re: #698 Occasional Reader

This is one danged interesting thread.

717 pingjockey  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:38pm

re: #706 Occasional Reader
No shit, some of the avatars are not loading!

718 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:44pm
WHEN you are old and gray and full of sleep,
And nodding by the fire, take down this book,
And slowly read, and dream of the soft look
Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep;

How many loved your moments of glad grace,
And loved your beauty with love false or true,
But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you,
And loved the sorrows of your changing face;

And bending down beside the glowing bars,
Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
And paced upon the mountains overhead
And hid his face among a crowd of stars.

-W.B. Yeats

719 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:54pm
720 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:55:58pm

re: #705 Dianna

You're not - please tell me you're not! - letting your kid play poker?!

Matchsticks, only, and in person, supervised by you!

Strategy and statistics.

Whatever, gambling is not a sin.

721 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:56:01pm

re: #708 rain of lead

ooh mom, calm down
just one more small step in your boy's journey to becoming a man.

they do grow up too fast don't they.

IIRC the kid is 8, a tad early for the World Series of Poker.

722 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:56:14pm

re: #637 flyers1974

Yes, I think that's correct. It also shows a rather nauseating lack of will on the part of the elected officials. I hear every point that you are making. I hear it completely. However, I really think that America would be better off paying a little more for it's orange juice as an example and obey the laws rather than exploit people.

I am all for legal immigration. I am all for making the border a bit less porous also. I have not thought through it enough to have a real position on some sort of amnesty for people who have been working here under the radar for a long time.

I do know that the current situation is untenable.

723 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:56:20pm

re: #685 HoosierHoops YEP; HOWARD WAS HUGE IN THE OT; i said this the other night as well, le bron IS the best player on the court BUT the second, third, fourth, and fifth best players on the court are wearing magic jersey's

724 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:56:32pm

re: #697 unrealizedviewpoint

As if you're the only person doing good works...

Quite right!

725 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:56:44pm

re: #717 pingjockey

No shit, some of the avatars are not loading!

Reload. See what happens.

This reminds me; it's high time to change my avatar. I've just been too lazy to do it.

726 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:56:48pm

re: #720 MandyManners

Strategy and statistics.

Whatever, gambling is not a sin.

Has Grandpa taught him to shoot yet?

727 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:16pm
728 avanti  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:18pm

re: #700 Occasional Reader

(Although not entirely in a good way.)

LGF, is like a soap opera some evenings. Who's sleeping with the stalkers, find out later as the Football Turns.

729 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:25pm

I proudly present my backyard fossils

it's not a link to a Helen Thomas photo either.

730 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:47pm

re: #686 Alouette

I have turned on the GAZE button.

/Is there anything stronger we could use? Mine is on, but perhaps 2 are better than one in the face of such despicable comments.

731 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:47pm

re: #698 Occasional Reader

This is one danged interesting thread.

It is, isn't it?
I'm out of breath trying to keep up.

732 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:53pm

re: #593 Iron Fist

Carry a Pen. You can do all kinds of nasty stuff with a pen. There are several manufacturers of these out there, but I think I like the Benchmade the best. It is hard to believe no one came out with something like this years ago, but I've only seen them recently. I've been reccommending a pen as a weapon for at least 20 years. It is one of the basics I have when I'm teaching essentially untrained women on rape self-defense.

I imagine that it would work in the middle of a riot, too, at least for a little while. Maybe enough time to get the hell out of Dodge and leave cleaning the riot up to the professionals.

what a handy item. and certainly the element of surprise is there for the unlucky sucker abt. to get the sharp end that. i don't think i will need it at the tea party, based on how well the last gathering of patriots went in april.
certainly none of the civil citizens will riot and there will be many more of us
than any small number of hanger on'ers who may show up.

733 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:57:54pm

re: #726 EmmmieG

Has Grandpa taught him to shoot yet?

Poker, gamblin', shootin' ... Cub Scouts is different now.

734 sngnsgt  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:05pm

re: #720 MandyManners

Strategy and statistics.

Whatever, gambling is not a sin.

Strategery!

735 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:10pm

re: #719 Iron Fist

What, I wonder is so hard to grasp about ILLEGAL immigration? I have yet to understand why politicians don't see that the objection is to JUST that?

736 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:18pm

re: #707 NY Nana

Since her banning I have neither heard from her nor contacted her. She was way OTT, and earned her banning. As a Jew who grew up in the DP camps after WWII, who lost so much family, and finally got into Canada with her parents post WWII, she had been through more than any of us had, or could imagine, and that possibly contributed to her burn out.

I remember a year or 2 ago, when she posted that she had received her US citizenship, how ecstatic she was when she posted. It was the Fourth of July.

I remember that as well.

737 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:31pm

re: #729 Thanos

I proudly present my backyard fossils

it's not a link to a Helen Thomas photo either.

They look to be in remarkably good shape, considering they may be up to 6,000 years old!

/

738 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:37pm

re: #731 reine.de.tout

It is, isn't it?
I'm out of breath trying to keep up.

Reine ... LGF Spy ... shorthand ...

739 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:44pm

re: #729 Thanos

I proudly present my backyard fossils

it's not a link to a Helen Thomas photo either.

Nice. Looks like tiny snail shells.

740 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:50pm

re: #733 OldLineTexan

Poker, gamblin', shootin' ... Cub Scouts is different now.

I just got back from scouts. We did birds. Grandpa (the Old Scoutmaster) is in charge of shooting. (Taught me to shoot when I was eight.)

741 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:58:59pm

re: #737 Occasional Reader

They look to be in remarkably good shape, considering they may be up to 6,000 years old!

/

Tops.

//

742 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:59:28pm

re: #726 EmmmieG

Has Grandpa taught him to shoot yet?

No. That's my job.

743 Velvet Elvis  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:59:34pm

re: #585 MandyManners

You stupid cock-sucking bastard!

The fact that that came from someone called "MandyManners just caused me to spew beer onto my keyboard.

744 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:59:53pm

re: #740 EmmmieG

I just got back from scouts. We did birds. Grandpa (the Old Scoutmaster) is in charge of shooting. (Taught me to shoot when I was eight.)

Ah, shooting the bird. Now THAT sounds like my Cub Scout days!

/

745 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:59:54pm

re: #720 MandyManners

Strategy and statistics.

Whatever, gambling is not a sin.

No, it's not. And a well-played hand of poker is not gambling. Trust me on that.

But poker...Mandy, I'm bluing my nic. Write me.

746 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:00:10pm

re: #730 NY Nana

/Is there anything stronger we could use? Mine is on, but perhaps 2 are better than one in the face of such despicable comments.

I am having a hard time giving a shit what Cato thinks of me.

747 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:00:22pm

re: #719 Iron Fist

There wasn't a lot of distance between the two candidates on immigration, so they couldn't really bash each other with it. And the position both of them had vis amnesty for illegals isn't popular with a large segment of the public. Thus, the less said about it the better, from the candidates' perspectives. Why none of the debates touched is a question for the people who came up with the debate questions.

Personally, I'd have liked to watch both of them squirm when asked about it.

The public's view on Iraq and later the economy notwithstanding, I thought the Dems were in serious trouble because of the immigration issue. I thought McCain would take the most "moderates" but an anti-immigration candidate would have been able to do some bigtime damage to the Dems.

748 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:00:28pm

re: #734 sngnsgt

Strategery!

Is that some kind of reference to quatlos or whatever?

749 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:00:51pm

re: #744 OldLineTexan

Ah, shooting the bird. Now THAT sounds like my Cub Scout days!

/

OLT ... I was a den mother ... Ha ... still cannot believe it ... poor boys ... scarred for life ...

750 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:01:06pm

re: #593 Iron Fist

Carry a Pen. You can do all kinds of nasty stuff with a pen. There are several manufacturers of these out there, but I think I like the Benchmade the best. It is hard to believe no one came out with something like this years ago, but I've only seen them recently. I've been reccommending a pen as a weapon for at least 20 years. It is one of the basics I have when I'm teaching essentially untrained women on rape self-defense.

I imagine that it would work in the middle of a riot, too, at least for a little while. Maybe enough time to get the hell out of Dodge and leave cleaning the riot up to the professionals.

Hey! I ordered a similar item you linked to like 3 weeks ago, and those bastards haven't shipped it yet! I'd really like to have it before my next business trip to Colombia. (My personal resolution; no, I will NOT easily get forced into a car trunk, not without at least trying to take out a kidnapper's eyeball, or better still, brain matter.)

751 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:01:07pm

re: #743 Conservative Moonbat

The fact that that came from someone called "MandyManners just caused me to spew beer onto my keyboard.

My job here is done.

752 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:01:15pm

re: #720 MandyManners

before you know it he'll be 16 and wanting a DL and a car :(

753 VioletTiger  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:01:15pm

re: #729 Thanos

I proudly present my backyard fossils

it's not a link to a Helen Thomas photo either.

Those are very cool.
My neighborhood has a thick marl layer and beneath it...the Cretaceous. It is a sand layer with lots of fossils. I find coral pieces and other sea fossils.

754 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:01:26pm

re: #749 JacksonTn

OLT ... I was a den mother ... Ha ... still cannot believe it ... poor boys ... scarred for life ...

God bless you, woman, and may you find peace despite your suffering.

/

755 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:02:15pm

re: #714 Steffan

I don't think TR was all that much of a racist. The 10th Cav "Buffalo Soldiers" accompanied the Rough Riders on their charge at San Juan Hill.


Please consider this quote from the Winning of the West by TR. Decide yourself if his racial views were nice or not.

The most ultimately righteous of all wars is a war with savages, though it is apt to be also the most terrible and inhuman. The rude, fierce settler who drives the savage from the land lays all civilized mankind under a debt to him. American and Indian, Boer and Zulu, Cossack and Tartar, New Zealander and Maori,—in each case the victor, horrible though many of his deeds are, has laid deep the foundations for the future greatness of a mighty people. The consequences of struggles for territory between civilized nations seem small by comparison. Looked at from the standpoint of the ages, it is of little moment whether Lorraine is part of Germany or of France, whether the northern Adriatic cities pay homage to Austrian Kaiser or Italian King; but it is of incalculable importance that America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red, black, and yellow aboriginal owners, and become the heritage of the dominant world races.

756 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:02:15pm

re: #729 Thanos

/By any chance, is one of the IDA's twin?

757 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:02:26pm
758 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:02:40pm

re: #745 Dianna

I cannot. My ISP won't let me.

I'm blue. NOW.

759 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:02:50pm

re: #728 avanti

LGF, is like a soap opera some evenings. Who's sleeping with the stalkers, find out later as the Football Turns.

Tonight: Will the fascist troll be grilled or fried? Will Mandy find true love? Can Dark_Falcon retain his grip on sanity? Tonight on As the Football Turns.

760 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:02:56pm

re: #736 MandyManners

I remember that as well.

Of course, I also remember her shilling for a bigoted spree-killer.

761 Koyaanistaaqa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:03:19pm

re: #757 Iron Fist

Teach him the care and feeding of the AK-47 assault rifle. How to field-strip it, clean it, and, of course, shoot it. That's something everyone should know :-)

762 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:03:32pm

Now.

763 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:03:50pm

re: #758 MandyManners

I cannot. My ISP won't let me.

I'm blue. NOW.

Nope, you're not.

Try again?

764 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:03:53pm

re: #718 Occasional Reader

Finally, someone quotes a Yeats poem other than "The Second Coming". If I could buy you a round instead of merely an upding, I surely would!

765 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:05pm

re: #736 MandyManners

I remember that as well.

That is why I felt so badly, but she dug the hole.

766 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:06pm

The summer camp I attended in Boy Scouts was loaded with little sea fossils.

767 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:10pm

re: #759 Dark_Falcon

Don't grip it; just bat it around lightly.

768 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:19pm

re: #739 Gus 802

Nice. Looks like tiny snail shells.

There's a nautilus thing, it's the blurry one.

769 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:19pm

re: #698 Occasional Reader

This is one danged interesting thread.

We're going to see more of these. It's unfortunate but so it goes.

770 pingjockey  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:29pm

re: #729 Thanos
Thank God!

771 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:44pm

re: #752 rain of lead

before you know it he'll be 16 and wanting a DL and a car :(

Oh, he'll get it but, he will pay for gas, maintenance and INSURANCE.

772 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:53pm

re: #735 irongrampa

What, I wonder is so hard to grasp about ILLEGAL immigration? I have yet to understand why politicians don't see that the objection is to JUST that?

When a law goes largely unenforced for many years, people assume that the law will never be enforced.
That is part of what has happenned, is it not?

773 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:04:56pm

re: #729 Thanos

I proudly present my backyard fossils

it's not a link to a Helen Thomas photo either.

I was looking for the upding button at your blog.

774 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:05:05pm

re: #761 Koyaanistaaqa

Dang! I want to set her up with my little nephew.

775 JacksonTn  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:05:19pm

Good Night Lizards .. busy work day tomorrow ... thanks for the company ...

776 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:05:33pm

re: #771 MandyManners

Oh, he'll get it but, he will pay for gas, maintenance and INSURANCE.

Eight years from now? Gas? LOL.

/

777 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:05:35pm

re: #764 Cato the Elder

Finally, someone quotes a Yeats poem other than "The Second Coming". If I could buy you a round instead of merely an upding, I surely would!

Glad to oblige. But stop calling me "Shirley".

778 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:05pm

re: #758 MandyManners

I cannot. My ISP won't let me.

I'm blue. NOW.

I thought Sharmuta was the blue girl here.

/dives into bunker

779 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:20pm

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Fox news won't cover it but maybe it's a better way to show your patriotism.

That's not patriotism, it's being a decent human being.

780 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:40pm

re: #735 irongrampa

What, I wonder is so hard to grasp about ILLEGAL immigration? I have yet to understand why politicians don't see that the objection is to JUST that?

(1) It looks bad to deport millions. Legal, but would look bad.
(2) It would cost a lot of money to deport millions.
(3) It would be hard to deport millions - where do you start? How do you know a person is illegal by looking at him (legally speaking that is)
(4) Many businesses would lobby against mass deportation.
(5) The unintended consequences are unknown.
This is just a few of the difficulties.

781 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:49pm

re: #772 Spare O'Lake

Surely is. Instead of a travesty like the Shamnesty last year, why not simply enforce the existing immigration laws and see where that takes us.
I submit that we have the means, but not the will.

782 capitalist piglet  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #550 avanti

I'd say you are speaking for the vast majority, but there is still a sizable minority that is overtly, or quietly racist. Most estimate it at 10-15% of the population. As to the revulsion, look at some of racist e-mails we all get now and then.

I don't get racist e-mails, ever. How come you do?

783 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:51pm

re: #746 Alouette

I am having a hard time giving a shit what Cato thinks of me.

Shhhh. Don't tell him we are Jewish! ;)

Actually, I don't give a shit either. He is just not worth it.

784 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:06:54pm

re: #729 Thanos

I proudly present my backyard fossils

it's not a link to a Helen Thomas photo either.

Those are great. My aunt has a farm in Tennessee and there is a hill on the property covered with thousands of sea shell fossils. Proof of the Great Flood?

785 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:07:04pm

re: #764 Cato the Elder

Finally, someone quotes a Yeats poem other than "The Second Coming". If I could buy you a round instead of merely an upding, I surely would!


Actually, my favorite Yeats poem is apt for this thread.

`In our time the destiny of man presents its meanings in
political terms' - Thomas Mann

HOW can I, that girl standing there,
My attention fix
On Roman or on Russian
Or on Spanish politics?
Yet here's a travelled man that knows
What he talks about,
And there's a politician
That has read and thought,
And maybe what they say is true
Of war and war's alarms,
But O that I were young again
And held her in my arms!

786 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:07:12pm

re: #779 Wendya

That's not patriotism, it's being a decent human being.

Too rare, should be more common.

787 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:07:22pm

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

788 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:07:23pm

re: #762 MandyManners

Now.

Forgive me, I'm in the grip of Fedora. I don't quite understand, but I don't get a nice little pop-up window with your email.

Let's try this in the morning. Or I might re-think my urge to tell you about my first year in college and some of the stranger ways I made ends meet.

789 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:08:06pm

re: #773 reine.de.tout

I don't have one, not enough people visit to really need one. It's cool, I can say everything I want without the sturm und drang. I really respect Charles for his cool in putting up with all he does, and I"m glad I don't have his headaches.

790 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:08:44pm

re: #768 Thanos

There's a nautilus thing, it's the blurry one.

Right. Nice find. I've found a few fossils back in the day.

You ever watch "Origins of Life?" It's on Hulu. It' a rather visual and aural presentation. They cover a lot of "miniature" life from the beginnings.

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

791 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:08:46pm

re: #784 NJDhockeyfan

Those are great. My aunt has a farm in Tennessee and there is a hill on the property covered with thousands of sea shell fossils. Proof of the Great Flood?

Not so much (unless you are joking). Most of Texas was once covered by a shallow sea, for example.

792 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:08:46pm
793 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:08:46pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

Do, please. Always enjoy listening to him - especially since he appears not to need notes or a teleprompter, and never says "uh".

794 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:09pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

Please do. I love watching trolls get punted. You post the video, and I'll fire up the grill. It's raining here, but I can keep it under cover.

795 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:18pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

Dawkins wasn't available? ;-)

796 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:20pm
797 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:22pm

re: #782 capitalist piglet

I don't get racist e-mails, ever. How come you do?

A couple years ago I received in the mail (snail) a one page letter - racists start to finish - spoke to relieving America of all brown ppl. I was stunned appalled. I brought to the police dept. I have copies in my files. I'm gonna dig it out.

798 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:23pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.


Well now you have to...

799 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:42pm

re: #793 Cato the Elder

Do, please. Always enjoy listening to him - especially since he appears not to need notes or a teleprompter, and never says "uh".

Pat can bloody well speak!

800 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:48pm

re: #787 Charles

Love that guy. He's been all to scarce lately. I have a fondness for godless gardeners, but that just me.

801 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:09:53pm

re: #793 Cato the Elder

Do, please. Always enjoy listening to him - especially since he appears not to need notes or a teleprompter, and never says "uh".

Pat Condell: The Anti-Obama.

802 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:10:07pm

re: #791 OldLineTexan

Not so much (unless you are joking). Most of Texas was once covered by a shallow sea, for example.

Tell me about it. We bought our first home in Texas, and put in the back yard ourselves. I have two very nice seashell imprint fossils as a reward.

803 pingjockey  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:10:15pm

re: #787 Charles
Is he the Dem strategist who looks very creepy? He had something on FNC, IIRC, ans it wasn't complimentary to the ones admin? Or is that Pat Cadell?

804 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:10:15pm

Goodnight, I feel the zolpidem kicking in. I don't want to post something foolish "under the influence" so I'm invoking the Iron Fist Rule. See you on the LNDT in the morning.

805 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:10:24pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

Post! Post!

But not until tomorrow morning, when I can see it!

(Fedora and I still aren't getting along, and I'm not technical enough to get a handle on why)

806 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:10:27pm

re: #659 OldLineTexan

She's fond of turnips.

so am i,
cooked w/ bacon fat and a hot pepper.

807 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:11:15pm
808 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:11:19pm

re: #786 Killgore Trout

Too rare, should be more common.

Only for you, my dear. And I mean that as kindly as I can.

809 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:11:24pm

re: #757 Iron Fist

Teach him the care and feeding of the AK-47 assault rifle. How to field-strip it, clean it, and, of course, shoot it. That's something everyone should know :-)

Good advice.

810 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:11:34pm

re: #719 Iron Fist

There wasn't a lot of distance between the two candidates on immigration, so they couldn't really bash each other with it. And the position both of them had vis amnesty for illegals isn't popular with a large segment of the public. Thus, the less said about it the better, from the candidates' perspectives. Why none of the debates touched is a question for the people who came up with the debate questions.

Personally, I'd have liked to watch both of them squirm when asked about it.

If they're going to go the amnesty route, they should allow the states to send the bill for illegals' care and maintenance to their home country. I'd suggest a fee at least as high as the amount of money the illegals send home.

811 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:11:42pm

re: #780 flyers1974

betcha if we were to enforce the laws, attrition and word of mouth would delete a good many.
Would it cost more to deport them than it does to provide their health care?

Business would hire the available--just as they do now.

Expand on the unintended consequences, not sure what you mean there.

812 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:11:52pm

re: #806 nyc redneck

so am i,
cooked w/ bacon fat and a hot pepper.

Bacon fat AND hot pepper? I would imagine you could cook a sliced car tire that way and make it passable.

/

813 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:12:12pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

Charles,

Please post it. You know you want to! I can always make the popcorn.

814 VioletTiger  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #722 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, I think that's correct. It also shows a rather nauseating lack of will on the part of the elected officials. I hear every point that you are making. I hear it completely. However, I really think that America would be better off paying a little more for it's orange juice as an example and obey the laws rather than exploit people.

I am all for legal immigration. I am all for making the border a bit less porous also. I have not thought through it enough to have a real position on some sort of amnesty for people who have been working here under the radar for a long time.

I do know that the current situation is untenable.

I agree, this is a tough situation. Frankly, I don't think we are in a good position to tackle it right now, either. Many people are not thinking clearly and are reacting with emotion rather than logic. Best thing would be to make the borders less porous and then work on ways to incorporate the hard-working people who are already here. Where I live, the 'migrant' workers now live here year-round in quonset huts on the farms. I've known a couple of them for years. I am sure that would become citizens if given the opportunity.

815 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:00pm

re: #790 Gus 802

Thanks I'll bookmark that, I have to hit the hay soon

816 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:10pm

To boldly meltdown where no one has melted down before.

//

817 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:16pm

re: #804 Alouette

Sweet dreams.

818 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:22pm

re: #593 Iron Fist

One hundred and twenty bucks?

The one I got from my company for free would do just as well.

819 rain of lead  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:26pm

re: #771 MandyManners

Oh, he'll get it but, he will pay for gas, maintenance and INSURANCE.

wonderful, and make sure his first car is a piece of crap so he will have to learn how to keep it running and will value the 2nd one.

820 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:41pm

re: #791 OldLineTexan

Not so much (unless you are joking). Most of Texas was once covered by a shallow sea, for example.

Tennessee is much farther away from the ocean/sea. I have been trying to think of a reason why sea shells ended up in the middle of Tennessee all my life.

821 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:13:51pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

What's he up to lately?

822 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:16pm

Ouch, Pat is on quite a tear.

823 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:18pm

re: #795 Gus 802

Dawkins wasn't available? ;-)

This one makes Dawkins look like a harmless fuzzy teddy bear.

824 solomonpanting  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:26pm

Well, then.

Pat Condell.

825 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:30pm

re: #792 Iron Fist

That sucks. Have they billed your credit card?

No, which is some relief. I'll call them tomorrow.

826 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:46pm

re: #815 Thanos

Thanks I'll bookmark that, I have to hit the hay soon

Great. It's a nice video to watch and relax. The sound effects are well done with the invertebrates. Hulu has another one from Nat Geo on volcanoes which is a good follow up.

827 MandyManners  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:51pm

re: #788 Dianna

I'll do my best to contact you.

828 capitalist piglet  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:59pm

re: #797 unrealizedviewpoint

A couple years ago I received in the mail (snail) a one page letter - racists start to finish - spoke to relieving America of all brown ppl. I was stunned appalled. I brought to the police dept. I have copies in my files. I'm gonna dig it out.

Yikes! Was it addressed to you personally, or to a "current resident"? Creepy in the extreme!

829 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:14:59pm

If I really wanted to solve the illegal immigration problem as best I could and within the realm of the doable, I would extend the "amnesty" that Reagan signed into law for those already here and then target businesses who hire illegals.

830 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:15:01pm
831 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:15:14pm

re: #823 Charles

This one makes Dawkins look like a harmless fuzzy teddy bear.

Yeah, I'm listening to it now. =)

832 pingjockey  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:15:25pm

Charles, looked up Pat Condell. That guy is a character!
Night folks.

833 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:16:05pm

re: #830 taxfreekiller

hard to be half honest

Do truth.
The rest will follow.

Even when I think you're mad, I never doubt your honesty.

Your judgement, yes. Your honesty, never.

834 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:16:10pm

re: #720 MandyManners

Strategy and statistics.
Whatever, gambling is not a sin.

Watch him. It's just a game until they start playing for money and get addicted.

835 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:16:15pm
836 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:16:25pm

re: #792 Iron Fist

(CRKT Pharaoh.

Columbia river makes some nice knives.

I like Becker as well. I'm glad KA-BAR picked them up.

837 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:16:31pm
'I fell like apologizing to the universe for wasting its time"


Lol

838 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:17:35pm

One of my favorite Auden poems

Roman Wall Blues

Over the heather the wet wind blows,
I've lice in my tunic and a cold in my nose.

The rain comes pattering out of the sky,
I'm a Wall soldier, I don't know why.

The mist creeps over the hard grey stone,
My girl's in Tungria; I sleep alone.

Aulus goes hanging around her place,
I don't like his manners, I don't like his face.

Piso's a Christian, he worships a fish;
There'd be no kissing if he had his wish.

She gave me a ring but I diced it away;
I want my girl and I want my pay.

When I'm a veteran with only one eye
I shall do nothing but look at the sky.

WH Auden

839 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:18:08pm

I don't agree with it, but here it is:

840 Tarkus289  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:18:10pm

re: #761 Koyaanistaaqa

I believe that is an AR-15.

841 Timbre  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:18:17pm

The ADL puts out some excellent briefing memos on supremacist activity, gangs, and terrorist groups. I recommend this organization to everyone who supports their ideals and work.

842 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:18:30pm

Ok, I'll suffer the slings and arrows of direct inking....
Children of a stupid god

843 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:05pm

re: #839 Dark_Falcon

re: #842 Killgore Trout

Rut roh!

Fox hole dug, helmet on! Lock and load!

//

844 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:21pm

re: #828 capitalist piglet

Yikes! Was it addressed to you personally, or to a "current resident"? Creepy in the extreme!

Pretty sure - occupant or something. I hope so anyway. I'll find it tomorrow when I'm not so tired. The hate within was so overwhelming. I really didn't know what to do with it. I drove to the police dept. They stuck it in their files I'm sure.

845 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:31pm

re: #793 Cato the Elder

Do, please. Always enjoy listening to him - especially since he appears not to need notes or a teleprompter, and never says "uh".

At least we can agree on something.

846 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:33pm

re: #843 Gus 802

Tea Party Uber Alles!

847 windhorse  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:35pm

religion..... a psychological ball & chain.....

/Pat Condell off

848 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:36pm

re: #839 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree with it, but here it is:



It was fun to see Pat get back to his roots.

849 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:19:57pm

re: #803 pingjockey that is pat caddell and he supported mccain

850 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:20:12pm

re: #846 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Uber Alles!

Tea time! ;)

851 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:20:14pm

re: #846 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Uber Alles!

Class Warfare!

852 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:21:35pm

Hmmm, my sister apparently lives in the UAE. Maybe I shouldn't google stuff anymore. It only causes trouble.

853 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:22:00pm

re: #755 LudwigVanQuixote

Good point. I hadn't seen that one.

854 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:22:27pm
855 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:22:35pm

got about a minute into that video and thought "Poor man." Stopped there, can't decide if I want to watch it all.

856 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:23:11pm

re: #852 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, my sister apparently lives in the UAE. Maybe I shouldn't google stuff anymore. It only causes trouble.

How's that?

857 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:23:13pm

re: #812 OldLineTexan

Bacon fat AND hot pepper? I would imagine you could cook a sliced car tire that way and make it passable.

/

Bacon fat makes anything better.

858 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:24:01pm

re: #857 reine.de.tout

Bacon fat makes anything better.

Yes, and hot peppers cover a multitude of sins.

Both together is like using nukes followed by firebombs.

/

859 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:24:39pm

re: #857 reine.de.tout

Over easy eggs done in bacon fat.

Good times.

860 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:24:40pm

re: #293 jaunte

"they needed to find out what people wanted to hear" Gee, a great recipe for figuring out what's right. Good God Almighty! Save us all!

861 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:25:11pm

re: #787 Charles

If I really wanted to cause some meltdowns, I'd post Pat Condell's new video.

Eh. I ranted somewhat in that way 10 years ago. I'm a little surprised Pat isn't a more mature atheist, to be frank.

862 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:25:57pm

re: #861 Occasional Reader

Eh. I ranted somewhat in that way 10 years ago. I'm a little surprised Pat isn't a more mature atheist, to be frank.

He's almost ... evangelical .. in his zeal.

/

863 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:26:13pm

re: #860 Irenicum

Yes, their first principle seems to be "get power."

864 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:26:58pm
865 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:27:01pm

A really good rant is a thing of joy to someone like me with curmudgeonly tendencies.

See Pat rant
Rant, Pat, rant!

866 moonstone  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:27:15pm

re: #855 irongrampa

got about a minute into that video and thought "Poor man." Stopped there, can't decide if I want to watch it all.

I know what you mean; I feel sorry for him, too.

But he would not appreciate our pity!

867 jaunte  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:27:49pm

re: #838 Thanos

I had to look up Tungria; it's Belgium.

868 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:28:47pm

re: #864 Iron Fist

It is. An AR isn't terribly complex to field strip, either. If you want to have fun, strip down an H&K. Then spend half an hour or so trying to figure out how to get the roller locks back into the weapon. And I wouldn't even know where to start if you disassembled the trigger unit. It is like a swiss watch.

I have not even thought of attempting to dream of imagining trying to take down the trigger assembly on my Kimber yet. Will work my way up to it.

I didn't know that H&Ks were hard to field strip. Hm. This increases my admiration for Dr. Glock. Simplicity has a sophistication all its own.

869 Koyaanistaaqa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:29:03pm

re: #840 Tarkus289

I believe that is an AR-15.

That would be correct. I'd seen the AR-15 video a while back, found the link pretty fast, posted it. If you prefer a video more directly responsive to Iron Fist's comment regarding AK-47s, well I guess the question would be - what can't be found on YouTube with a little more digging? :-)

870 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:29:59pm

Tonight's a "school night". It's 12:30 pm. Why the hell am I still posting?

871 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:30:01pm

re: #811 irongrampa

betcha if we were to enforce the laws, attrition and word of mouth would delete a good many.
Would it cost more to deport them than it does to provide their health care?

Business would hire the available--just as they do now.

Expand on the unintended consequences, not sure what you mean there.

The laws are enforced. People are removed when ICE catches them, no doubt. The problem is, how do you identify them? By their looks? If that is the case, I'd hope they wouldn't break down any Puerto Ricans' doors (or US citizen Latinos). That would be embarrassing.
I can't say I know the cost of deporting 10, 11, 12 millions of illegals v. healthcare costs. The unintended consequences I refer to is in regard to business. Who the hell knows what would happen, I sure don't. On the negative side, every restaurant in your town would have to pay a substantial increase to there now US citizen kitchen help. Businesses selling to illegals would lose. The agriculture and poultry industries would have a bit of an issue. This is NOT to say that illegals don't pose serious problems. It is a very serious issue. But, they will not be deported in mass. That is a fact. Either craft a solution that contemplates that fact or do as the US will do in my opinion - nothing.

872 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:30:32pm

re: #835 Iron Fist

When I was a senior in high school, I worked as a civillian attached to a local Marine Corp Reserve tank platoon. During that time, one of the marines got a recruiting letter from the KKK. He was seriously thinking about showing up to their shindig just to see what would happen.

He was, of course, black. He was also a marine. It'd have been interesting, but IIRC he didn't do it. He was a tough guy (all marines are), but when they outnumber you sufficently that can go by the wayside real quick.

He should have gone there with a few friends. I would have been more than happy to buy the first round afterwards. :)

873 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:30:42pm

re: #868 Occasional Reader

I have not even thought of attempting to dream of imagining trying to take down the trigger assembly on my Kimber yet. Will work my way up to it.

I didn't know that H&Ks were hard to field strip. Hm. This increases my admiration for Dr. Glock. Simplicity has a sophistication all its own.

Why would you take down the trigger assembly on your 1911? Did you drop it in the mud? Let Marion Barry hold it?

874 realwest  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:31:31pm

Good evening y'all - really sorry to be late to this thread but real life intervened.
Are we still more or less On Topic?

875 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:31:43pm

re: #873 OldLineTexan

Why would you take down the trigger assembly on your 1911?

Because it's there. (In the words of Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton.)

876 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:32:04pm

re: #874 realwest

Good evening y'all - really sorry to be late to this thread but real life intervened.
Are we still more or less On Topic?

Not just No, but ..

/g'nite all

877 Randall Gross  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:32:11pm

re: #867 jaunte

I had to look up Tungria; it's Belgium.

Of course it is, all the wars in Europe are fought there :)

878 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:32:17pm

re: #839 Dark_Falcon
that guy is a raving lunatic; need a shower now...........

879 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:32:35pm

re: #787 Charles

Heh. I'm watching it now. Thanks for the heads up.

880 Timbre  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:32:48pm

re: #868 Occasional Reader

I tried disassembly on an M-1 carbine once. All I remember is that I twisted something and a spring went flying backwards past my face at about 40 m.p.h. It took me three hours to get it back together. I think I averaged 40 cusswords per hour that night.

881 realwest  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:32:59pm

re: #864 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - hope you're doing well tonight! I noticed in scanning this thread quickly that you or O.R. - it wasn't clear - got ripped off ordering a pen?!
What's up with that?!

882 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:34:04pm

re: #881 realwest

Hey Bro' - hope you're doing well tonight! I noticed in scanning this thread quickly that you or O.R. - it wasn't clear - got ripped off ordering a pen?!
What's up with that?!

That was me. Not ripped off (they haven't charged my card), but they just haven't shipped it.

883 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:34:58pm

re: #842 Killgore Trout

Listened to it twice now.

884 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:35:11pm
885 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:35:16pm

re: #871 flyers1974

And as if that weren't enough to contend with, you must be aware that illegal immigration is the EFFECT. The ROOT cause is Mexico's inability or unwillingness to work to improve the living standards of their citizenry. Until and unless that's rectified, the problem will only worsen.

886 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:35:46pm

re: #878 gtrs

that guy is a raving lunatic; need a shower now...........

He's not a lunatic, but he's fanatically atheist and that I do not like. Like Christopher Hitchens, he's got some good points on facing the Islamist enemy but he's very wrong about God. I pray he comes to see the truth before he dies and repents of his disparagement of faith.

887 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:36:32pm

re: #884 Iron Fist

That is especially true if you have a one-piece guide rod.

There are M1911s with guide rods that are more than one piece?

888 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:38:23pm

OT:
Serious shit going down in North Korea...

DPRK declares to tear up truce agreement

PYONGYANG, May 27 (Xinhua) -- The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) announced Wednesday that it will no longer stand by the ceasefire agreement ending the 1950-53 Korean War, in response to South Korea's participation to the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI).

The DPRK's military said in a statement that it no longer considers itself bound by the armistice that ended the Korean War, a move seen as a strong protest over the South Korea's participation of the U.S.-led program.


And this...

North Korea Warns Of Military Strike On South

The action comes a day after South Korea joined a US-led initiative to intercept shipments suspected of being involved in weapons of mass destruction.

The communist North's military said it will respond with "immediate, strong military measures" if the South stops and searches any North Korean ships under the Proliferation Security Initiative.

889 realwest  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:38:44pm

re: #882 Occasional Reader
Ah, I assume then it was one of those pens that unscrews to become a knife or somesuch? I bought a cheap one about 20 years ago but although it looked like a pen, when you unscrewed the top, very firmly affixed to the inside of the cap was a 4" long stainless steel dagger. Very sharp. Cut myself once when I mistook it for one of my "flair" type pens and cut my finger with it. So out it went; I don't have any real major league weapons - no firearms, but a couple of nice knives and an official NYPD nightstick.

890 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #886 Dark_Falcon

He's not a fanatic, he's just outspoken. He doesn't shy away from controversial subjects and he speaks his mind without apology.

From what I've seen of his videos, it's 110% unlikely he'll ever repent and bow down to your god.

891 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:40:26pm

re: #888 NJDhockeyfan

Holy Fucking Shit.

This could get really, really ugly.

892 NY Nana  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:40:34pm

re: #666 Alouette

{NANA}

You must be asleep, but here's back at you....{Alouette}.

893 realwest  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:40:59pm

re: #888 NJDhockeyfan
Holy Crap - the Norks must be outta their minds to threaten, much less carry out, an attack on South Korea.
I wonder if Pelosi and Kerry are still in China and if so would they bring this up with the Chinese?

894 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:41:44pm

re: #889 realwest

Ah, I assume then it was one of those pens that unscrews to become a knife or somesuch?

No, it's just a sturdy, steel or anodized aluminum pen, with good grips, that's designed to be used as a stabbing instrument and/or "kubotan" type weapon in a pinch.

895 Timbre  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:42:12pm

re: #888 NJDhockeyfan

The DPRK struck quickly on June 25, 1950. I am really hoping they are not convinced "Act II" will solve their problems!

896 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:42:29pm

re: #870 Occasional Reader

Tonight's a "school night". It's 12:30 pm. Why the hell am I still posting?

Because, like me, you're an addict.

897 gtrs  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:42:51pm

re: #886 Dark_Falcon i think you are being too kind; also, no way that guy repents ever

898 Wendya  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:11pm

re: #868 Occasional Reader

I didn't know that H&Ks were hard to field strip. Hm. This increases my admiration for Dr. Glock. Simplicity has a sophistication all its own.


I guess it depends on the H&K. A USP tactical is easier than taking down a 1911. I lost the recoil spring for over an hour the first time I disassembled a Colt combat commander.

899 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:35pm

Okay, I really must hit the sack. Good night.

900 realwest  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:48pm

re: #894 Occasional Reader
Ah. How long ago did your order it and what was their explanation when you complained to them?

901 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:51pm

re: #891 Occasional Reader

Holy Fucking Shit.

This could get really, really ugly.

Talk about getting tested. I hope O doesn't vote 'present' with this situation.

902 flyers1974  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:57pm

re: #885 irongrampa

And as if that weren't enough to contend with, you must be aware that illegal immigration is the EFFECT. The ROOT cause is Mexico's inability or unwillingness to work to improve the living standards of their citizenry. Until and unless that's rectified, the problem will only worsen.

Not to mention all of Central America less Costa Rica. And I don't see those problems being rectified in my lifetime, and I have a few years left, hopefully. Don't get me wrong, I don't make light of the seriousness of this issue. I just think if people can accept the fact that regardless of whether they'd like to have these millions removed, it simply won't happen. Since it won't happen, let's face reality, legalize those here combined with serious employer sanctions that are enforced. Next thing you know, in a generation, those hispanics, socially conservative as they are, will forget about the angry rhetoric of today and will be voting GOP, and you can say goodnight.

903 irongrampa  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:57pm

re: #895 Timbre

Balls. Now I REALLY wish W still had the reins.

904 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:43:58pm

re: #890 eclectic infidel

He's not a fanatic, he's just outspoken. He doesn't shy away from controversial subjects and he speaks his mind without apology.

From what I've seen of his videos, it's 110% unlikely he'll ever repent and bow down to your god.

I will still pray that he does.

905 VioletTiger  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:44:00pm

re: #888 NJDhockeyfan
Things are going downhill rapidly. And meanwhile, the entire country seems to be distracted by the nomination of Sotomayor. Not that the SCOTUS is not important, but this looms larger imo.

906 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:44:17pm

re: #880 Timbre

I tried disassembly on an M-1 carbine once. All I remember is that I twisted something and a spring went flying backwards past my face at about 40 m.p.h. It took me three hours to get it back together. I think I averaged 40 cusswords per hour that night.

I remember a spring that sproinged happily off, and I finally found it on the blade of my ceiling fan.

907 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:44:47pm

re: #854 Iron Fist

This one is anodized aluminium (they make one in stainless steel as well). As top-quality ink pens, they aren't that out of line in price. The big problem with plastic pens for this application is that they can bend (especially if you are trying to facilitate a joint lock) or break. As finances allow, I'm going to get one of the stainless ones, but right now it is just money that I can't afford to spend.

You are one very unpleasant fellow at times... I approve. I only hold a first degree black belt though.

908 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:45:19pm

re: #868 Occasional Reader

I have not even thought of attempting to dream of imagining trying to take down the trigger assembly on my Kimber yet. Will work my way up to it.

I didn't know that H&Ks were hard to field strip. Hm. This increases my admiration for Dr. Glock. Simplicity has a sophistication all its own.

A broomhandle Mauser isn't that hard, either. The only tool required is a long and thin screwdriver.

There are precisely two screws in the weapon; one holds the grip together and the other anchors the floor of the magazine. Everything else is held together by the firing pin. Pull that out, pop out the retainer, then the bolt and upper receiver come off as a unit. There's a latch at the top of the grip. Pop that latch and everything but the trigger slides out of the lower receiver.

The only things to watch out for are the springs. Lose one of those and you have a very expensive paperweight.

909 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:46:08pm
910 Irenicum  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:47:10pm

re: #330 Charles

Wow. I just googled it. And even the few minutes I've seen promise plenty of crazy points! Sad to say, I know too many people who would take this as gospel, relatives included. Conspiracies seem to answer so many questions. With a good conspiracy, it's always "them" and "I" (and whatever group I belong to) can always be the victim. How convenient. How evil. As with any myth of innocence, this myth allows for everything while excusing everything. Holocausts are born of this.

911 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:47:48pm

re: #854 Iron Fist

This one is anodized aluminium (they make one in stainless steel as well). As top-quality ink pens, they aren't that out of line in price. The big problem with plastic pens for this application is that they can bend (especially if you are trying to facilitate a joint lock) or break. As finances allow, I'm going to get one of the stainless ones, but right now it is just money that I can't afford to spend.

True about the price. But since I have an old one of these (in black) that I carry everywhere, I think I'm set. Body is lacquer over solid brass. Nib is 14k gold. Classy way to defend oneself, and I suppose I could doctor the ink with something, umm, noxious, if I felt like the neighborhood were going to hell...

912 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:48:43pm

re: #908 Steffan

A broomhandle Mauser isn't that hard, either. The only tool required is a long and thin screwdriver.

There are precisely two screws in the weapon; one holds the grip together and the other anchors the floor of the magazine. Everything else is held together by the firing pin. Pull that out, pop out the retainer, then the bolt and upper receiver come off as a unit. There's a latch at the top of the grip. Pop that latch and everything but the trigger slides out of the lower receiver.

The only things to watch out for are the springs. Lose one of those and you have a very expensive paperweight.

Just make sure it's a 9mm version. Much cheaper ammo than 7.62mm Mauser.

913 Gus  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:49:18pm

re: #886 Dark_Falcon

He's not a lunatic, but he's fanatically atheist and that I do not like. Like Christopher Hitchens, he's got some good points on facing the Islamist enemy but he's very wrong about God. I pray he comes to see the truth before he dies and repents of his disparagement of faith.

It's a matter of what one believes or doesn't believe. I'm realistic about these topics and realize that unless one is already a person that believes as Pat Condell does his words would be seen as confrontational. He does evangelize. It would be the same as having an atheist listen to a strongly worded sermon against atheism. Each in the end speaks to a specific audience.

Hitchens, Dawkins, and Condell are rather acerbic; there seems to be drought of soft spoken atheists. I do wonder if these words were spoken in a more diplomatic or softer tone would it be less offensive?

914 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:50:40pm

re: #872 Steffan

re: #835 Iron Fist

There is a great story from the Second World War. My grandfather said it is true, others have told me it is apocryphal. Either way, it's a great story.

It goes that there was an aristocratic British ladies organization that wished to organize an event for American and British troops. They sent a letter to the local American airbase asking that they invite some nice clean cut American airmen over to the party, but please no Jews.

On the appointed day, five immaculatey uniformed black soldiers show up with invitations. One of the ladies in charge suggests that there must be some mistake. One of the soldiers responded that there was no mistake, that Major Cohen doesn't make mistakes.

915 [deleted]  Tue, May 26, 2009 9:56:33pm
916 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 10:07:11pm

re: #888 NJDhockeyfan

I'd think that it's a bluff. It's not really like they have a military that could cross the DMZ any more....

From what I've read, they do have a few elite troops, but the average Nork soldier is underfed, underequipped, and undertrained. When people are reduced to eating grass and tree bark, conscript soldiers drawn from that populace are not going to be particularly impressive.

North Korea says war is inevitable if South Korea and the rest of the world does not show more respect (deliver more free food and fuel). The war threats have been coming from the north for over half a century, and don't have much impact anymore. A much more confident South Korea believes that it could handle any North Korean military moves, from skirmishes up to a major invasion attempt (which the south wants to avoid, because it would do major damage to the southern capital.)

917 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 10:08:21pm

Good night!

918 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, May 26, 2009 10:13:05pm

re: #658 taxfreekiller

See anything familiar?

919 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, May 26, 2009 10:13:18pm

Good night all!

Sleep well and have really good dreams of attractive lizards :)

920 Steffan  Tue, May 26, 2009 10:13:49pm

re: #912 Dark_Falcon

Just make sure it's a 9mm version. Much cheaper ammo than 7.62mm Mauser.

Tell me about it. It's 7.63mm, btw. Most places around here, you ask for 7.62 and they'll try to sell you the NATO rifle round. I traded it for something I could afford to shoot.

921 Fierce Guppy  Tue, May 26, 2009 11:10:15pm

re: #126 J.S.

As a complete outsider, sorry, but I'm wondering have ya' all lost your senses? First of all there is a difference between "those who attend" vs "those who claim to 'organize'." Ok?

If one looks back to the April "Tea Party" -- who was in attendance? Who? Do you have any stats? Was it comprised of raving KKKers? neo-fascists? white supremacists? If you wish to make that claim, then it's up to YOU to provide the evidence. There's a legal maxim that states, "the burden of proof is upon him who affirms, not him who denies." So, if someone attended the April Tea Party, who will allege "Why, they're Nazis, and White Supremacists, I tell You!" Based on what, exactly? A web posting from Stormfront?! (laughable). By the way, even Nate Silver wrote about the composition of the April Tea Party groups -- look it up. He didn't report that they were raving KKKers. (So all those who were/are angry about being smeared for having attended an April Tea Party, and as a result, having it alleged, that their attendance at an event is somehow evidence of being the equivalent of a card carrying member of some neo-Nazi group, imo, has every reason to be upset.) And, unless evidence is provided with respect to "well, the composition of all Tea Party's were obviously KKK", then it's not about "denial."

Next, there is a wholly separate issue and that is about the ORGANIZERs and who the Organizers are -- but that should NOT be conflated with "who attended a Tea Party" on April, 2009.

Just my 2 cents...from a detached and distanced view from Canada.

When one reads about the American Tea Parties on the PJTV web site, one does not leave thinking "Oh, Noes! The Paulians and White Supremacists are leading the Tea Party people astray. Stay away from the Tea Parties! They're recruitment grounds for fascist organisations!" I credit the freedom lovers that attend these events with enough brains to recognise racist propaganda when they see or hear it. Likewise, when they hear someone spouting 9/11 conspiracy theories, they'd recognise the mongo as a Paulian and walk away.

Tony.

922 SixDegrees  Tue, May 26, 2009 11:35:34pm

re: #888 NJDhockeyfan

OT:
Serious shit going down in North Korea...

DPRK declares to tear up truce agreement

I've asked before, and I'll ask again: where the hell is Hillary Clinton? Shouldn't our SoS be front and center stage regarding Korea right now?

923 Fearless Fred  Wed, May 27, 2009 2:41:42am

re: #66 kansas

Last I checked these idiots were free to spout whatever idiocy they wanted. You know, like that old outdated saying, I may disagree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it. Just because they choose this venue, and just because no one confronts them doesn't mean they agree with them.

There were at least 10,000 attendees here at the Austin tea party. I saw none of this white racist stuff. It wasn't about that. Tea parties are about a desire for less government. What's that got to do with race? Should I stop using the internet because some idiot white supremacist uses it?

924 Joel  Wed, May 27, 2009 5:40:38am

re: #403 flyers1974

Ask Al Gore who first brought Horton up.

925 Joel  Wed, May 27, 2009 5:45:47am

re: #566 Cato the Elder

I know. And right now she's gone again. I was just sayin'.

You have any problems with the Muslim dating services ad that appears ion this blog?

926 Flyers1974  Wed, May 27, 2009 6:38:21am

re: #924 Joel

Ask Al Gore who first brought Horton up.

Its one thing to bring Willie Horton up, quite another to put his darkened image on television. And my point wasn't that it was unfair to bring up Willie Horton. I was responding to the allegation that Democrats are somehow more skilled or prevalent in using divisive tactics.

927 Sceptic Tank  Wed, May 27, 2009 6:40:08am

Communists made inroads in the thirties and were rooted out by HUAC. We are in a forthcoming worse situation and people know it. All avenues of protest are vilified for whatever reasons. A One Party ideology is evident and a counterforce is forming. Hopefully and likely it will not be noxious left wing or right wing socialist bigoted scum.

928 Kenneth  Wed, May 27, 2009 7:10:18am

On a related topic, there is a custody hearing on trial right now in Winnipeg, Canada. It concerns a 7 year old girl and her toddler brother who were apprehended by Childrens' Aid when the 7 year old showed up at school with a swastika drawn on her arm in indelible marker, allegedly by her mother. The girls also made statements about how to kill black people.

The mother of two children at the centre of a bizarre child custody case allegedly threatened to disown her seven-year-old daughter if she made friends with a child who wasn't white, according to Manitoba Child and Family Services.

"If you have a friend who is not white, I won't be your mom, . . . I'll say I'm not your mom," the girl said she was told by her mother. The girl reported the comments in a March 2008 interview with a social worker that was relayed by the social worker in court on Tuesday.

The reports include not only evidence of intense racist indoctrination, but violence, neglect and drug use in tha family home. Evil gegets evil.

929 Kenneth  Wed, May 27, 2009 7:15:40am

re: #922 SixDegrees

I've asked before, and I'll ask again: where the hell is Hillary Clinton? Shouldn't our SoS be front and center stage regarding Korea right now?

I'm not sure about that. The US certainly needs to be working on this problem, but making a big deal about it will only draw more attention to Lil Kim's antics. I compare it to a disturbed teenager raging & acting out. The parent should never over-react in response, as that gives the teen the attention they want and rewards unacceptable behavior. A quiet firm response is best, one which punishes the acting out (nuke tests, missile launches) and never rewards it. Unfortunately, past US policy was to respond by bribing NoKo not to act out again. This mistake only served to re-enforce the bad behavior.

930 Jimmah  Wed, May 27, 2009 7:18:28am

“organized grassroots White mass movement.”

For me this evokes an image of lard collecting in gutters and draining into sewers.

931 Jimmah  Wed, May 27, 2009 8:02:54am

re: #243 Joel

With all respects - Ann Coulter (for whatever faults she might have) is a better friend of the Jews and of Israel then anyone on the Left. I don't give a shit if she thinks that I am not perfected by not being a Christian. That's like saying I am not grateful to the person who found and returned my dog because they only did it for the reward money.

No, she's a shrieking moron, and an embarrassment to anyone she tries to associate herself with.

932 Jimmah  Wed, May 27, 2009 8:44:46am

re: #886 Dark_Falcon

He's not a lunatic, but he's fanatically atheist and that I do not like. Like Christopher Hitchens, he's got some good points on facing the Islamist enemy but he's very wrong about God. I pray he comes to see the truth before he dies and repents of his disparagement of faith.

Why? Is something bad going to happen to him if he doesn't?

933 Cato the Elder  Wed, May 27, 2009 8:59:01am

re: #925 Joel

You have any problems with the Muslim dating services ad that appears ion this blog?

No.

934 medaura18586  Wed, May 27, 2009 9:14:11am

White Nationalists... Their poster-children are always blond and blue-eyed. I wonder what they even consider white enough. I have the palest skin but hazel eyes and black hair. Am I white enough? I have a recessive gene for blue eyes. My children can potentially have blue eyes. Do that make a difference? Is it about European descent or Nordic ethnicities? I have no idea how these nut jobs even believe in, who is "pure" enough to be welcome to their sick club.

935 _RememberTonyC  Wed, May 27, 2009 9:14:52am

I hope the FBI has enough agents to keep a close eye on these gatherings. Most attending these events are good people. But the bad guys need to get lots of attention from the authorities.

936 medaura18586  Wed, May 27, 2009 9:15:40am

errr pimf:

White Nationalists... Their poster-children are always blond and blue-eyed. I wonder what they even consider white enough. I have the palest skin but hazel eyes and black hair. Am I white enough? I have a recessive gene for blue eyes. My children can potentially have blue eyes. Does that make a difference? Is it about European descent or Nordic ethnicities? I have no idea what these nut jobs even believe in, who is "pure" enough to be welcome to their sick club.

I really ought to check my posts before throwing them out there.

937 grahamski  Wed, May 27, 2009 9:34:08am

Racism divides us and makes us weak as a people, we need to unite, not separate.

938 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 27, 2009 9:41:05am

re: #243 Joel

With all respects - Ann Coulter (for whatever faults she might have) is a better friend of the Jews and of Israel then anyone on the Left. I don't give a shit if she thinks that I am not perfected by not being a Christian. That's like saying I am not grateful to the person who found and returned my dog because they only did it for the reward money.

Apparently you don't "give a shit" that she speaks out in defense of white supremacist groups either.

939 Jimmah  Wed, May 27, 2009 9:41:52am

re: #934 medaura18586

Yep - racism is just completely irrational.

940 medaura18586  Wed, May 27, 2009 10:35:30am

re: #938 Charles

Apparently you don't "give a shit" that she speaks out in defense of white supremacist groups either.

I'll come right out and say this, uncomfortable as it is:

The myopia of many Jews in evaluating people and causes worth supporting astonishes me. For one thing, you have the huge segment of the Jewish diaspora mindlessly supporting the often anti-Semitic Left. I understand the origin of this affinity as the Right used to be rabidly anti-Semitic as recently as the mid-to-late 20th century (and in some corners, it still is). The Left is inclined to root for the underdog almost by default, and in the 1940s through the next couple of decades, Israel was the underdog. The Left was generally pro-Israel (with various exceptions in Communist dictatorships, but I'm generally referring to the Left in liberal democracies). Now the Palestinians have claimed the greater underdog title in the world's public opinion, hence the Left's reversal. But political affiliations are often plagued by inertia. The racist enclaves in the South used to vote Democrat out of habit until very recently, stuck in the Civil War's political compass. Perhaps most Jews are Democrats by inertia too. Or maybe they've been assimilated for good in the "high-brow" progressive culture.

But even the rest of them, often baffle me in how naively they embrace Christian Zionists, who often are religious fundamentalists whose support for Israel is motivated by the role they assign it in their plans for the end of the world, Judgment Day, and other lunatic delusions. Many of these Christian fundamentalist groups and movements are themselves racist, and have just recently sublimated their historical anti-Semitism toward an ambivalent Zionism.

I laugh whenever I hear talk of "Judeo-Christian" this and that, signaling this recent alliance, because "Judeo" is such a new prefix. The same people who speak in such tenor today (social conservative types), 40-50 years ago would have never thought to include "Judeo" in their speeches, and were probably rabid anti-Semites. I know of a resort in Maine, not a racist hot-spot, where one of my husband's friends' retired parents live. They told me that as recently as 30 years ago or so, no Jews were allowed to buy property there. All-Christian, of course.

I call bullshit on this Christian-Zionist-Jewish alliance. It's weak, awkward, and based on second-hand religious hooey. And it pisses me off when right-wing Jews seem to accept the Zionist Christian support without any reservations, and in fact, perhaps as a way of returning the favor, conveniently neglect all the history of Jewish suffering in the hands of Christians. (These are usually the types who ally against Muslims and Islam).

It's the myopia, again. Or dare I say opportunism? Today Islamic countries and elements pose the gravest threat to Israel. So we're now supposed to forget the Inquisition and the Holocaust, the religious affiliation and motivation of their perpetrators, because we're buddies now. Let's yell in unison against Islam. Truth is that historically, Jews have suffered much more in the hands of Christians than in those of Muslims. My own Jewish ancestors had to flee the Spanish inquisition and settle in then-Ottoman occupied Albania, where they enjoyed great religious freedom and were never expelled from, or persecuted.

941 medaura18586  Wed, May 27, 2009 10:35:36am

I'm not saying we should hold a grudge against Catholics today because of the Inquisition, or against Protestants because of the Holocaust. But let's keep some historical perspective, please! And right-wing Jews better learn that disinterested gentiles will be more inclined to "give a shit about them," if they in turn "give a shit" about anyone else. You can't give just anyone a pass simply because of their professed support for Israel. If they're in bed with White Nationalists, Euro-fascists, or other sick nut jobs, you don't excuse that or look away. Support for Israel is not the only thing that matters in this world.

942 Skinless Frank  Wed, May 27, 2009 11:03:03am

As long as we're reviving the Tea Party, maybe we should revive another custom of that era for those racists: tar and feathers.


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