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Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth.
— Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:07:38pm |
The late night companionship threat! WOOT
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:08:23pm |
re: #1 Floral Giraffe
The late night companionship threat! WOOT
Wow, that must be some comapanionship. ;)
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:09:31pm |
re: #520 Floral Giraffe
Aren't we funny creatures? Some of us are fine alone, for long periods of time. Others need constant, participative companionship. Funny!
I like your link!
Thanks.
We sure are.
:)
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srb1976 Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:09:51pm |
re: #4 BlueCanuck
Wow, that must be some comapanionship. ;)
Depends on who is the companion in question.... some people are a threat = )
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Tarkus289 Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:09:55pm |
I can't wait for Sunday night, so we won't have to see the picture of that ass ayers.
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jcm Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:10:41pm |
Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth.
— Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four
Holmes agrees! It's Turtles All the Way Down!
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:11:45pm |
Today's Programming in C Class will focus on using the isNextLargest() function in a recursive algorithm.
Sound complicated? It's not. Even a 19-month-old can grasp the concepts involved:
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:14:02pm |
re: #7 Tarkus289
I can't wait for Sunday night, so we won't have to see the picture of that ass ayers.
I always wondered what my local ass Ayers office was for. Now I know!
////
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srb1976 Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:15:01pm |
re: #10 gmsc
Love that video....sometimes it's too much fun to watch the littles figure stuff out
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:16:56pm |
Good night, evening lizards!
Stay scaly!
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:17:11pm |
re: #12 Desert Dog
Fresh off the old StumbleON
"It's really 'asperatus',
but that's such a fuss
to pronounce, that we usually call it
just 'tus'!"
(Apologies to T.S. Eliot)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:17:25pm |
re: #1 Floral Giraffe
The late night companionship threat! WOOT
I was recently told I am threatened by companionship.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:18:19pm |
Crap, I thought the last thread would be the overnight thread... Oh well, I'll repost from previous for the benefit of the overnight crowd.
Saving Private Ryan - D-Day
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:18:22pm |
re: #13 srb1976
Love that video....sometimes it's too much fun to watch the littles figure stuff out
It is . . . and I can even almost see the program she's mentally running in order to get those boxes in the right order.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:19:27pm |
re: #9 jcm
Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth.
— Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four
Holmes agrees! It's Turtles All the Way Down!
The man did beat anatomy class cadavers so he could learn to distinguish post-mortem bruising from ante-mortem injuries.
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Summersong Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:19:37pm |
"...and the one which remains must be the truth".
No shit, Sherlock!
Oh, wait...
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:20:06pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:20:29pm |
re: #20 Deseeded
No snuggles. Period.
They never bothered to call me back, so I guess it all boils down to that.
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Desert Dog Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:21:13pm |
re: #21 Tarkus289
I live in Arizona....we see some clouds every once in a while....but nothing like that.....very cool!
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:21:23pm |
re: #21 Tarkus289
LENNIES!
/or lenticular cloud formations. Good glider pilots look for those types.
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jcm Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:22:07pm |
re: #22 FurryOldGuyJeans
The man did beat anatomy class cadavers so he could learn to distinguish post-mortem bruising from ante-mortem injuries.
I see a new series...
CSI London 1883 Sherlock Holmes.
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Deseeded Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:22:24pm |
re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oh, well denied snuggles are something else entirely!
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:22:58pm |
Ten Things I’d Love to Tell My Younger Self
(A woman looks back at life)
I’ve learned some valuable things about life, love, and being female over the past half-century. Here is the advice I try to pass on to younger women in my life (family and friends) in the hope that it will save them some precious time:
1. You are at least ten times prettier than you think you are.
That holds true no matter how pretty you already think you are! Don’t believe me? Ask your mother/auntie/grannie if she thought she was pretty when she was twenty. She’ll say no. Then find a photo of her at that age. See what I mean?2. The only thing you should be faking is confidence.
If you don’t have it yet, pretend you do. In every new situation, pretend you’re not nervous, pretend you’re not afraid. After a few times doing this, the pretend part disappears.3. Want to try something new like painting, skiing, running your own business? Go to the library and borrow ten different books on the subject.
Skim through them all, find the ones that have the most vital information and study them. Then see number 2.4. No matter how old you get, remember what it was like to be a nine-year old girl.
Remember the feeling of freedom. If you’ve already forgotten, do a cartwheel. You can so still do one. Savior that feeling. Wake up with it every day. You’ll stay young until the day you die.5. In the same vein, cut or potted flowers are never a waste of money.
Because every time we glance at them, they remind us how much beauty there can be in the world.6. Speaking of money, starting right this moment, whether you’re twenty or sixty, you can change your finances around.
Don’t leave someone else completely in charge, whether it’s your husband, partner, parents, or banker. Become financially savvy. Financial independence gives you the freedom to walk away from many bad situations. How do you know you’re in bad situation? See number seven.7. If your stomach hurts and you haven’t got a virus, you’re in a bad situation.
Before you know what it is, your stomach always does. Give yourself some time to ponder what it might be that’s making your stomach hurt. Chances are you already do know, you just don’t want to believe it, for some reason. You can ignore advice from your friends, even your own brain, but you can’t ignore your stomach, because the stomach never lies. Oh, and by the way—drowning your stomach in alcohol won’t make it stop telling you the truth, either.8. When meeting someone new and he or she seems to be behaving like an ass**le, show compassion first.
If after you display your sincere compassion, they are still acting like an assh*le, walk away. If they follow you, call the police.9. Wear sunscreen on your face, neck, and hands every day, winter and summer.
I don’t care how dark your skin naturally is. Wear it. You’ll remember me when you look in the mirror at age fifty. Always keep in mind that Your body is directly connected to your spirit. Look after your body. Exercise, floss, and brush your teeth. Put nothing in your body that can permanently harm your spirit, including the wrong man.10. And if you are in bed with a man and he's the right man:
... meaning your stomach doesn’t hurt, he’s smiling at you, he knows your name, he’s not drunk, and neither are you—for godsakes—enjoy yourself. He is not at all thinking about how fat your thighs look.
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jcm Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:23:04pm |
re: #21 Tarkus289
We switched to Lenticular clouds since they are on to our chemtrail dispersant system.
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Desert Dog Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:23:41pm |
Some acoustic Cure for your listening pleasure:
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:24:02pm |
re: #10 gmsc
Today's Programming in C Class will focus on using the isNextLargest() function in a recursive algorithm.
Sound complicated? It's not. Even a 19-month-old can grasp the concepts involved:
When she can do it with structures involving pointers, not STL, and doesn't crash on the first few tries, then I'll be impressed.
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Desert Dog Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:24:31pm |
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:24:36pm |
re: #29 jcm
I see a new series...
CSI London 1883 Sherlock Holmes.
I think someone beat you to the punch:
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Deseeded Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:25:44pm |
A bit awkward, but was sent to me:
Image: mhULzrzz8nyxkjeiHrvHeAHGo1_1280.png
I Laughed a little bit.
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Desert Dog Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:26:40pm |
re: #38 Deseeded
A bit awkward, but was sent to me:
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]I Laughed a little bit.
I am guessing the you could even skip that whole volcano part if you really wanted too.
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Tarkus289 Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:27:48pm |
re: #36 Desert Dog
It has something to do with mountains, if you poke around the websites they usually have info on how they are formed.
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Deseeded Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:28:33pm |
re: #39 Desert Dog
Hahaha! I imagine you could also build a kite! Haha!
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:29:05pm |
re: #38 Deseeded
A bit awkward, but was sent to me:
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]I Laughed a little bit.
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jcm Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:30:24pm |
re: #37 gmsc
I think someone beat you to the punch:
[Video]
Story of my life, a day late and dollar short.
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haakondahl Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:31:26pm |
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Deseeded Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:33:38pm |
re: #42 gmsc
Interesting! Hahah! Guys that want guys like guys and girls that like girls are stealing all the girls! Hahah!
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ladycatnip Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:33:41pm |
A little quote to end the day.
Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel "Pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land." Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the promised land." NOW, Obama is going to steal your shovel, kick your asses, raise the price of camels, and mortgage the promised land.
nite nite.
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jcm Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:34:08pm |
re: #36 Desert Dog
That second picture looks like Sedona....those are wild. Any idea what kind of weather pattern causes those?
Wind going over a mountain has the Bernoulli effect, following Boyle's Law the pressure drops, like air over the top of an airplane wing. When the pressure drops the air cools, if the humidity is right it will condense into a cloud in the air over the mountain or down wind.
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:37:09pm |
re: #21 Tarkus289
That's the NWO testing weapons they got from the Roswell Crash!
/Autographed Alex Jones Tinfoil Hat
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:37:31pm |
re: #45 Deseeded
Interesting! Hahah! Guys that want guys like guys and girls that like girls are stealing all the girls! Hahah!
Which reminds me, China's preponderance of male children is causing more and more problems as time goes on.
Surplus of Males and Runaway (with the Bride-Price) Brides:
The WSJ has a story today that we are increasingly likely to hear in some version. The one-child policy and preference for boys has led to a well-documented shortages of marriageable women in China, particularly in some parts. In this story, brides marry rural men, extracting a bride-price, and then running away with the money. There are other things that happen too - abductions of women in rural villages, the renting out of a farmer's wife to other farmers who cannot find wives. It is a social issue that is only now beginning to hit adult Chinese society in full force. There is an extremely important and good book on the implications of this surplus of males in China, Bare Branches: The Security Implications of Asia's Surplus Male Population, by Valerie Hudson and Andre den Boer (2004). (Demographer Nicholas Eberstadt has written on the economic implications of this for regions of China and India, as well as a superb series - published in Spanish, as it happens - on European health and retirement, in the Madrid Revista de Libros.) As the WSJ article notes:
Thanks to its 30-year-old population-planning policy and customary preference for boys, China has one of the largest male-to-female ratios in the world. Using data from the 2005 China census — the most recent — a study published in last month's British Journal of Medicine estimates there was a surplus of 32 million males under the age of 20 at the time the census was taken. That's roughly the size of Canada's population.
Now some of these men have reached marriageable age, resulting in intense competition for spouses, especially in rural areas. It also appears to have caused a sharp spike in bride prices and betrothal gifts. The higher prices are even found in big cities such as Tianjin.
A study by Columbia University economist Shang-Jin Wei found that some areas in China with a high proportion of males have an above-average savings rate, even after accounting for factors such as education levels, income and life-expectancy rates. Areas with more men than women, the study notes, also have low spending rates — suggesting that many rural Chinese may be saving up for bride prices.
A moderate libertarian like me has read Heinlein, of course, and even read long sections of The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress aloud to his adoring, or anyway somnolent, child until she took over and finished it herself. So my operating assumption has generally been that a shortage of females in a suitable place - a penal colony on the moon, for example - would mean that women would be able to command a suitably high marriage price, and contract for favorable plural marriage conditions. My (lapsed) Mormon background rendered me quite unoffended by the concept of plural marriage as such.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:40:36pm |
re: #49 gmsc
A surplus of males, or shall we say a lack of females, can cause all sorts of problems. Too much testosterone can't be good for a country.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:42:39pm |
re: #50 BlueCanuck
A surplus of males, or shall we say a lack of females, can cause all sorts of problems. Too much testosterone can't be good for a country.
Too little can also be a problem, as my worsening disability lets me know hourly.
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calcajun Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:42:47pm |
re: #2 BlueCanuck
I prefer Occams Razor as well. :)
How close does it shave and why don't you use your own?//
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:43:33pm |
re: #52 calcajun
How close does it shave and why don't you use your own?//
Now does Occam use it to shave the legs?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:43:34pm |
re: #52 calcajun
Sometimes too close. Got any spare bandaids?
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:43:37pm |
re: #50 BlueCanuck
A surplus of males, or shall we say a lack of females, can cause all sorts of problems. Too much testosterone can't be good for a country.
China just needs to reconcile it's past differences with Japan so they can be first in line when the Japanese start selling human-form robot sex toys ala Cherry 2000. That should keep the excess testosterone related problems down.
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calcajun Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:43:58pm |
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davinvalkri Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:44:00pm |
re: #38 Deseeded
A bit awkward, but was sent to me:
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]I Laughed a little bit.
I don't get it. Is it an anti-joke?
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Deseeded Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:44:43pm |
re: #49 gmsc
It's crazy. My gf is from HK and she has two sisters. They did not experience the mainland quota and my gfs dad is still worried because the special clause only lasts another decade or so before China takes complete control of HK.
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calcajun Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:45:13pm |
re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans
Now does Occam use it to shave the legs?
That's a bit personal. Unless, of course, Occam was a competitive swimmer or cyclist.//
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srb1976 Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:45:14pm |
re: #58 davinvalkri
I don't get it. Is it an anti-joke?
It struck me as more of a "you're an idiot for asking such a stupid question" joke
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:45:41pm |
re: #2 BlueCanuck
I prefer Occams Razor as well. :)
Annoyed by the Paranormal? You don't have to take it any longer!
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davinvalkri Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:46:42pm |
re: #61 srb1976
It struck me as more of a "you're an idiot for asking such a stupid question" joke
That makes sense. Thank you!
I can't believe they actually let that pass, though!
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calcajun Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:46:49pm |
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tappin52 Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:47:28pm |
re: #50 BlueCanuck
Imagine all of those testosterone laden men diligently trained (remember the Opening Ceremonies of the Olympics) and armed with weapons. Not a comforting thought.
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:48:14pm |
More fun links from Instapundit:
FRAUDULENT CRUNCHBERRIES. The failed lawsuit. AND: Did anyone ever sue Grape-Nuts?
NEWS YOU CAN USE: “Crunch Berries” aren’t real berries. In other news, Captain Crunch not an actual captain. . . .
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:48:22pm |
re: #56 ArchangelMichael
China just needs to reconcile it's past differences with Japan so they can be first in line when the Japanese start selling human-form robot sex toys ala Cherry 2000. That should keep the excess testosterone related problems down.
The Japanese have been selling realistic sex dolls for quite a number of years now. The market is huge.
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Gus Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:49:15pm |
re: #62 gmsc
Annoyed by the Paranormal? You don't have to take it any longer!
That's so funny. For a minute there I thought it was Occam's Squeegee!
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davinvalkri Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:49:34pm |
re: #56 ArchangelMichael
China just needs to reconcile it's past differences with Japan so they can be first in line when the Japanese start selling human-form robot sex toys ala Cherry 2000. That should keep the excess testosterone related problems down.
You mean like those anime figures they sell that show off the characters' underwear?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:50:11pm |
re: #65 tappin52
Yeah, I heard awhile ago how large their army was. Almost as large as the population of Canada. Think on the bright side. Provisioning such a large force could be difficult.
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:51:39pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
That's so funny. For a minute there I thought it was Occam's Squeegee!
There's lots more where that came from. Check out Funny Pics for Online Use.
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freetoken Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:51:46pm |
re: #59 Deseeded
Having met, and dated (not in the US), Chinese (mainland) women, I learned that there is no doubt, none at all, about the self-awareness of the social situations in China.
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haakondahl Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:52:48pm |
re: #65 tappin52
Imagine all of those testosterone laden men diligently trained (remember the Opening Ceremonies of the Olympics) and armed with weapons. Not a comforting thought.
What's more, as Mark Steyn points out, China has a surplus of young men and too little arable land. Russia has a surplus of young women and extra land as well.
Heads up for what should be one of the most motivated migrations in history.
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Gus Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:53:03pm |
re: #73 gmsc
There's lots more where that came from. Check out Funny Pics for Online Use.
Nice. Bookmarked. This one stood out:
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gmsc Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:56:38pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
Nice. Bookmarked. This one stood out:
[Link: www.fstdt.com...]
Check out that whole site. They have a great section arguing against creationists by proceeding from the creationists' own arguments. See Organisms that Look Designed.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:57:49pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
Nice. Bookmarked. This one stood out:
[Link: www.fstdt.com...]
Hmmmm, I have found a new way to serve gamey buttocks.
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Gus Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:59:27pm |
re: #77 gmsc
Check out that whole site. They have a great section arguing against creationists by proceeding from the creationists' own arguments. See Organisms that Look Designed.
And that's the short list. Yeah, intelligent design. Whew.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, June 6th:
Highlights of this day in history: The D-Day invasion of World War II; Israel invades Lebanon to drive out Yasser Arafat; Remains of fugitive Nazi doctor Josef Mengele exhumed in Brazil; First drive-in theater opens in Camden, N.J..
Other notable June 6 events include:
1833 – U.S. President Andrew Jackson becomes the first President to ride a train.
1859 – Australia: Queensland is established as a separate colony from New South Wales (Queensland Day).
1925 – The Chrysler Corporation is founded by Walter Percy Chrysler.
1932 – The Revenue Act of 1932 is enacted, creating the first gas tax in the United States, at a rate of 1 cent per US gallon (1/4 ¢/L) sold.
1934 – New Deal: U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs the Securities Act of 1933 into law, establishing the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
1946 – The Basketball Association of America is formed in New York City.
1968 – Don Drysdale of the Los Angeles Dodgers throws his record 58th consecutive scoreless inning, a major league record until 1988.
1968 – Senator Robert F. Kennedy dies from his wounds after he was shot the previous night.
1990 – U.S. District court judge Jose Gonzales rules that the rap album As Nasty As They Wanna Be by 2 Live Crew violates Florida's obscenity law; he declares that the predominant subject matter of the record is "directed to the 'dirty' thoughts and the loins, not to the intellect and the mind."
2005 – The United States Supreme Court upholds a federal law banning marijuana, including medical marijuana, in Gonzales v. Raich.
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Deseeded Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:01:36am |
re: #74 freetoken
Yeah my gf just got her Citizenship in the US last year. Smart girl and love her to pieces. So happy she chose here!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:01:39am |
What's the male to female ratio in North Korea? I figure Kim Il Jong's governance if far more effective than any 'one child' policy.
I've also heard that the Chinese will traffic in North Korean women to marry off to farmers or work in the sex-trade.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:03:20am |
re: #83 Gus 802
Where's 1944? :)
Right at the top! It's also the first thing mentioned in the video!
re: #80 gmsc
Today in History, June 6th:
[Video]
Highlights of this day in history: The D-Day invasion of World War II; Israel invades Lebanon to drive out Yasser Arafat; Remains of fugitive Nazi doctor Josef Mengele exhumed in Brazil; First drive-in theater opens in Camden, N.J..
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:03:47am |
re: #82 Fenway_Nation
Ok folks, I managed to talk better half out of putting bbq sauce on his hunks of beef he wants to cook for his birthday party, and between that and my now sparklingly clean house....I believe my work here is done = )
Sorry about the rambling....just wanted to brag a bit (house looks really good)
Good night everyone....have a great day!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:04:07am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:04:08am |
re: #83 Gus 802
Where's 1944? :)
Right here:
re: #80 gmsc
Today in History, June 6th:
[Video]Highlights of this day in history: The D-Day invasion of World War II; Israel invades Lebanon to drive out Yasser Arafat; Remains of fugitive Nazi doctor Josef Mengele exhumed in Brazil; First drive-in theater opens in Camden, N.J..
Other notable June 6 events include:
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freetoken Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:04:12am |
re: #71 Tamron
Well, from your information, it is clear that CJ is working for CHICOMS... probably switched sides during his younger days when he was traveling quite a bit. Recommend we tell the authorities...
/yeah... right
// BTW, tried the services at grc to which you linked... my OSX system did quite well.
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:05:30am |
re: #88 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yep, was looking at the chronological list and missed it. Then I fired up the video and it was on top. And! I looked again.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:06:15am |
re: #86 srb1976
Have fun with your BBQ sauce and your hunky beefcake better half!
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:07:57am |
re: #90 Gus 802
Yep, was looking at the chronological list and missed it. Then I fired up the video and it was on top. And! I looked again.
"It's 'D-Day' Day!"
"What's the D for?"
"Um . . . 'Day'."
"So, it's 'Day Day' Day?"
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:10:39am |
re: #92 gmsc
"It's 'D-Day' Day!"
"What's the D for?"
"Um . . . 'Day'."
"So, it's 'Day Day' Day?"
I don't know. Decision Day? I know it was called Operation Overlord.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:12:03am |
re: #92 gmsc
Laywer: Well, what about that tatoo on your chest? Doesn't it say Die, Bart, Die?
Sideshow Bob: No, that's German for 'The Bart, The."
Parole Judge: No one who speaks German can be an evil man! Parole Granted!
Yea....I went there again.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:14:57am |
re: #94 Fenway_Nation
Yea....I went there again.
If you stop it, I'm going to bring in strike breakers . . . the kind they had in the '30s!
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:16:25am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:19:59am |
re: #92 gmsc
"It's 'D-Day' Day!"
"What's the D for?"
"Um . . . 'Day'."
"So, it's 'Day Day' Day?"
What does the D in D-Day stand for?
Nothing actually, before 6 June, 1944.
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Jack Burton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:23:05am |
re: #67 FurryOldGuyJeans
The Japanese have been selling realistic sex dolls for quite a number of years now. The market is huge.
I don't think they quite got the AI part down yet though.
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:23:36am |
Band of Brothers: D-Day 1944
Noble event, great series, great book, and great author. Thank you Mr. Ambrose and to all that fought on this night.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:24:42am |
re: #100 ArchangelMichael
I don't think they quite got the AI part down yet though.
Artificial Irritability?
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:26:13am |
re: #99 Fenway_Nation
I'll give you five bees if you stop......
You know, I heard Fenway say he'll give me five bees if I stop purple monkey dishwasher.
;)
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Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:28:43am |
re: #14 Floral Giraffe
Good night, evening lizards!
Stay scaly!
Arrgh! Floral Giraffe has gone to bed, and I wanted to say thank-you for that link to the "Introverts" article. Oh, wait... what does this green plus sign do?
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:29:36am |
re: #104 Throbert McGee
Arrgh! Floral Giraffe has gone to bed, and I wanted to say thank-you for that link to the "Introverts" article. Oh, wait... what does this green plus sign do?
Thank me – I'm the one who originally posted it in the last thread!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:31:05am |
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:38:52am |
re: #106 Fenway_Nation
That's the self-destruct button.
Nice knowing you.
It seems to have blown up the thread, as well.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:45:08am |
re: #108 gmsc
*sniff* for the Scrooge in all of us.
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Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:46:12am |
re: #77 gmsc
Check out that whole site. They have a great section arguing against creationists by proceeding from the creationists' own arguments. See Organisms that Look Designed.
That was just awesome... particularly:
To paraphrase William Paley (Natural Theology), if you're walking along and find a finely crafted Iron Maiden, with fresh blood stains on it, no less, do you suppose it was put together by chance, or an Intelligent Designer?
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Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:47:22am |
re: #105 gmsc
Thank me – I'm the one who originally posted it in the last thread!
Oh, sorry about that! Gratuitous random updings to you, too, then!
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:49:33am |
re: #111 Throbert McGee
Oh, sorry about that! Gratuitous random updings to you, too, then!
That works!
:)
Thank you.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:49:51am |
re: #111 Throbert McGee
Oh, sorry about that! Gratuitous random updings to you, too, then!
Nooooooooo! What did I just say!?
/*BOOM!*
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:50:18am |
re: #111 Throbert McGee
Oh, sorry about that! Gratuitous random updings to you, too, then!
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:52:46am |
re: #114 Gus 802
[Video]
William Shatner presents the long lost original ending to It's A Wonderful Life.
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:56:23am |
re: #116 gmsc
William Shatner presents the long lost original ending to It's A Wonderful Life.
With Dennis Miller.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:59:00am |
Well time for me to crash and burn. Have a good one folks.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:01:13am |
re: #117 Gus 802
With Dennis Miller.
That was, uh, Dennis Miller. Sr. Boy, his son sure grew up to look just like him, didn't he?
I . . . uh . . . never noticed that before.
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:03:42am |
re: #119 gmsc
That was, uh, Dennis Miller. Sr. Boy, his son sure grew up to look just like him, didn't he?
I . . . uh . . . never noticed that before.
That was him no? Playing the Navy officer?
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:04:52am |
re: #121 Gus 802
That was him no? Playing the Navy officer?
Of course it was him. I was just trying to keep the "lost ending" reality alive.
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:05:35am |
re: #122 gmsc
Of course it was him. I was just trying to keep the "lost ending" reality alive.
=) Thought so. I was just checking myself.
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Gus Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:15:31am |
Time to head 'em out, round 'em up and go back to sleep.
Later GMSC!
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eddiespaghetti Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:22:31am |
Out, what an Iron fist drive-bye!
Skettie out!
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:25:22am |
Anybody still here?
I'll watch some Huckleberry Finn while I wait for the roll call . . .
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:27:26am |
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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:31:08am |
Anyone Disabled and working? Where do you work and what do you do? I have Epilepsy and want to work, I'm broke!
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:33:31am |
re: #134 sngnsgt
Anyone Disabled and working? Where do you work and what do you do? I have Epilepsy and want to work, I'm broke!
As we've talked about before, I'm a fellow epileptic, and do retail work.
Are there any limitations your epilepst imposes (beyond the basic things like traveling by bus, and so on).
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:34:58am |
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:35:14am |
one shot, one rat.......
and now the ghetto bird is circling to the west.
not a good sign here in suburbia. %-)
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Mardukhai Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:39:37am |
re: #134 sngnsgt
They don't let you work enough to pay the rent and still keep your disability. It sucks.
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Mardukhai Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:41:44am |
(I don't have epilepsy, just two or three dozen things that landed on me, from tendonitis to arthritis to TMJ to flat feet.)
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:45:39am |
re: #141 BatGuano
Good morning all. I'm way behind.
Perfect!
This thread is way behind in people. You'll fit right in!
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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:45:47am |
re: #135 gmsc
As we've talked about before, I'm a fellow epileptic, and do retail work.
Are there any limitations your epilepst imposes (beyond the basic things like traveling by bus, and so on).
Driving only, but I'm worried about losing my disability bennies if I earn too much. I finally got my court date, I'm flying back to PA for the hearing rather than move things out here to NV. Once that's done, I'm going to start looking for something out here. I'm a mechanic trained in front end work and alignment but not being able to drive makes that kind of difficult.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:45:58am |
re: #138 gmsc
Aaargh! Too late, now that there's more than 2 lizards present.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:47:00am |
re: #141 BatGuano
Good morning all. I'm way behind.
hey buddy....
yes, officer?
are you a head?
no, but i'm catching up.... %-)
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:47:39am |
re: #143 sngnsgt
Driving only, but I'm worried about losing my disability bennies if I earn too much. I finally got my court date, I'm flying back to PA for the hearing rather than move things out here to NV. Once that's done, I'm going to start looking for something out here. I'm a mechanic trained in front end work and alignment but not being able to drive makes that kind of difficult.
Ah - I didn't pick up on the benefits problem. I've never applied for them and never got them, so I can't speak from experience there.
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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:47:52am |
re: #139 Mardukhai
They don't let you work enough to pay the rent and still keep your disability. It sucks.
That's what I'm worried about. Rent ain't cheap out here in Las Vegas! I'm living with family right now but I want to get out as bad as they want me out.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:48:04am |
re: #144 Fenway_Nation
Aaargh! Too late, now that there's more than 2 lizards present.
fine..... i'll leave.
get yer own damn fruitcup, i say........
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:48:27am |
re: #145 redc1c4
hey buddy....
yes, officer?
are you a head?
no, but i'm catching up.... %-)
You should have quite while you were a head.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:48:30am |
re: #147 sngnsgt
That's what I'm worried about. Rent ain't cheap out here in Las Vegas! I'm living with family right now but I want to get out as bad as they want me out.
can you pole dance?
/white smoke
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:49:24am |
re: #149 gmsc
You should have quite while you were a head.
i can't help it: that's a line from a song i used to hear on Dr. Demento, back when radio stations in LA still carried his show.
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:49:33am |
re: #142 gmsc
Perfect!
This thread is way behind in people. You'll fit right in!
Thank you for the generous welcome.
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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:50:33am |
re: #146 gmsc
Without the disability bennies, there's no way I can afford the meds. I just paid more than $400.00 for two months worth of Lamictal. I want to talk to my Dr about going back on Dilantin, that stuff is cheap, I'm not afraid of generics either.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:50:52am |
re: #153 BatGuano
Thank you for the generous welcome.
sorry, but it seemed appropriate to give you shit......
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freetoken Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:51:30am |
Some late night entertainment, courtesy of the land of the Rising Sun:
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:51:58am |
re: #156 redc1c4
sorry, but it seemed appropriate to give you shit......
I suppose my nick invites it. : )
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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:53:14am |
re: #150 redc1c4
Mmmm, no. I'm a great audience participant though. ;-)
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 1:58:48am |
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:00:04am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:01:00am |
re: #164 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
Thank you, littleoldlady
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:01:20am |
re: #164 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
Yummy! It's good to have you back!
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:01:36am |
it appears that the hamsters aren't keeping steady time....
yesterday's minus 7 seconds is today's minus 1.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:02:28am |
re: #164 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
Don't mind that. It's just a bit of fruitcup. Where wouold rock and roll be today without fruitcup?
Channeling Sir David Gilmour, from outtakes for Dark Side of the Moon.
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:03:01am |
BatGuano! :-)
gmsc!
Thanks! :-)
red! :-)
Oh-ho! So it's not just my computer?
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:04:59am |
re: #170 littleoldlady
BatGuano! :-)
gmsc!
Thanks! :-)
red! :-)
Oh-ho! So it's not just my computer?
apparently not..... i was going off of yesterday's deviation, and as you saw, we both missed it by *that* much.... %-)
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:05:51am |
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:06:29am |
re: #172 redc1c4
I was using my other computer's clock for a while, but that made me EARLY.
/I really should just realize I CANNOT WIN and get over myself.
;-)
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:07:39am |
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freetoken Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:10:46am |
re: #164 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Hey... raspberries are in season!
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:11:29am |
re: #176 littleoldlady
I was using my other computer's clock for a while, but that made me EARLY.
/I really should just realize I CANNOT WIN and get over myself.
;-)
If you're on your new Mac, go to system preferences, set the correct time zone, then go to Date & Time, check the "Set date & time automatically" checkbox, and select "Apple Americas/U.S.(time.apple.com)" as your source for automatic time checking.
From what I've seen when timing my "Today in History" posts, the LGF servers must be using that exact same time!
Notice that the June 6th Today in History post was done at exactly on the hour (sometime I'm a second late, but that's still good!)?
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:11:56am |
re: #178 freetoken
Hey... raspberries are in season!
so is Copper River salmon...... if you're into cat food.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:12:29am |
re: #179 gmsc
If you're on your new Mac, go to system preferences, set the correct time zone, then go to Date & Time, check the "Set date & time automatically" checkbox, and select "Apple Americas/U.S.(time.apple.com)" as your source for automatic time checking.
From what I've seen when timing my "Today in History" posts, the LGF servers must be using that exact same time!
Notice that the June 6th Today in History post was done at exactly on the hour (sometime I'm a second late, but that's still good!)?
people actually use Macs?
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:12:41am |
re: #178 freetoken
freetoken! :-)
What's in that?
/nevermind, pass it over, whatever is in there... ;-)
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freetoken Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:14:14am |
re: #182 littleoldlady
What's in that?
Don't quite know... got the liquid part from Red... maybe it is part of the Copper River?
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:14:20am |
re: #181 redc1c4
people actually use Macs?
Only when they want to get actual work done, as opposed to constantly making major change in system setting everytime you want to do something different, as on Windows.
;)
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:14:36am |
gonna go to bed now..... HRH has plans for the daylight.
hasta y'all................
L8r!
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:15:14am |
re: #179 gmsc
I was booting up my old pc just to compare times, and using that. It's about 3 seconds early, as opposed to this one which is a few seconds late.
/The ONLY aspect of my life where I've got OCD! ;-)
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:15:45am |
re: #181 redc1c4
people actually use Macs?
Yes, as opposed to the usual order of things, in which Windows uses people.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:16:05am |
re: #183 freetoken
Don't quite know... got the liquid part from Red... maybe it is part of the Copper River?
see if i ever send *you* the martini excel file.... %-P
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:16:37am |
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:17:23am |
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:19:31am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:23:15am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:24:53am |
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freetoken Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:26:23am |
re: #199 Fenway_Nation
How about Salmonberries?
Works for me... I've never them for sale down here though.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:28:27am |
re: #201 freetoken
Come to think of it, I haven't seen them at the farmer's markets around here either.
Them and the Crunchberries.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:29:23am |
By the way, as a Captain, can Captain Crunch perform a wedding ceremony?
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:37:08am |
re: #204 littleoldlady
Heya LoL....thanks for the fruitcup as usual.
Except for last night, where I was slaving over a hot fruitcup ;-)
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:40:13am |
re: #205 Fenway_Nation
Yeah, I know.
/you poor dear! ;-)
I got my (so called) sleep (for lack of a better word) all balled up backwards and slept through fruitcup yesterday. Today I managed to stay up for it. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?
/Thank goodness for the Fruitcupitron 2000™!
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TheMatrix31 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:48:18am |
Can't wait for the release of the Palm Pre today!
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:48:31am |
re: #208 Fenway_Nation
Great photo. Nothing as beauteous as a train.
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:51:23am |
Okay...head hitting keyboard. :-(
Good day, ALL!™
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:52:27am |
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:54:43am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:57:01am |
re: #210 BatGuano
Glad you liked it...I thought it would be slow enough in here for the pic to synch up with the number of the lead loco.
As a side note, those former Algers, Winslow & Western SD9s are literally old enough to have replaced the last of the American steam locomotives.
Same with these, although they've been modified a little in their 50+ years of service.
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 3:11:26am |
re: #214 Fenway_Nation
Thanks, Fenway. It reminds me of being a kid the 60's, watching those monsters roll by.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 3:16:39am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 3:34:03am |
One more shot, this time at #220, then I'm turning in.
G'nite lizards and lurkers...play nice.
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justdanny Sat, Jun 6, 2009 4:17:36am |
Re: Iowahawk: The 2012 Pelosi GTxi
Red Barchetta
By Rush
My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the motor law
And on sundays I elude the ’eyes’ and hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire, where my white-haired uncle waits.
Jump to the ground
As the turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me, an old machine ---
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red barchetta, from a better, vanished time
I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime...
Wind in my hair ---
Shifting and drifting ---
Mechanical music ---
Adrenalin surge ---
Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly, ahead of me, across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires, to run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley as another joins the chase
Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside...
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justdanny Sat, Jun 6, 2009 4:20:13am |
re: #222 quickjustice
Yes, and I killed it! Bwahahahahaha.
Wait....whats that.... I hear a heartbeat...
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quickjustice Sat, Jun 6, 2009 4:22:17am |
June 6, 1944, now 65 years. Honor their memory!
From [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"The Normandy Landings were the first operations of the Allied invasion of Normandy, also known as Operation Neptune and Operation Overlord, during World War II. The landings commenced on June 6, 1944 (D-Day), beginning at 6:30 British Double Summer Time (H-Hour). In planning, D-Day was the term used for the day of actual landing, which was dependent on final approval. The assault was conducted in two phases: an air assault landing of American, British and Canadian airborne troops shortly after midnight, and an amphibious landing of Allied infantry and armoured divisions on the coast of France commencing at 6:30. The invasion required the transport of soldiers and materiel from the United Kingdom by troop carrying aircraft and ships, the assault landings, air support, naval interdiction of the English Channel and naval fire-support. There were also subsidiary 'attacks' mounted under the codenames Operation Glimmer and Operation Taxable to distract the Kriegsmarine and the German army from the real landing areas.[3] The operation was the largest single-day amphibious invasion of all time, with 160,000[4] troops landing on June 6, 1944. 195,700[5] Allied naval and merchant navy personnel in over 5,000[4] ships were involved. The landings took place along a 50-mile (80 km) stretch of the Normandy coast divided into five sectors: Utah, Omaha, Gold, Juno and Sword."
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justdanny Sat, Jun 6, 2009 4:32:52am |
re: #224 quickjustice
Duly noted.
I will spend the day reminding people of this anniversery, and in doing so I honor those who fought and lived and died.
Good day lizards. I'm off to work.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 4:46:22am |
A first stab at a new Contract with America: Size Matters
If returned to a majority in each house, within 100 days, bring a vote on bills to:
1. 3. Reduce those corporate taxes which stunt job growth and wages by half over a period of three years.
This will create a demand for labor, skilled and unskilled, as well as management.
2. Reduce the tax code over a period of three years to the size a popular novel.
Only the tax lawyers will object, and the good ones will keep their jobs regardless.
3. For every page of new law enacted, strike two pages of law from the books.
Fundamental to this is the recognition that most laws enacted are only specific applications of existing general laws, which in fact weaken those general laws. Leave it to the Executive to act quickly in changing situations, and to the Judicial to reconcile laws and actions with the constitution.
4. Reduce federal employment rolls by one-third over a period of three years.
See number one.
5. Reduce upper-level education funding by one-third over a period of three years.
Tuition costs, administrative costs, dorm costs, and the cost of books all increase because the pay agent (the student) is not actually paying the bill--the taxpayers are, and there is no incentive to efficiency in the price system of higher education. As structured now, higher education is a reverse market where the demand is for paying students, and the supply comes from the taxpayers.
6. Reduce lower-level education funding by one-third over a period of three years.
Yes, elementary through high school. Vote on this along with teacher AND administrative competence requirements, which are not to be based on student grades, although grades may be considered among many other factors by the assessing body. Decades of funding increases yield only falling scores and larger gov't employee unions. Don't keep feeding this non-performing pig--send it to the fat farm.
7. Impose an immediate moratorium on management fads in the federal bureaucracy, and require a one-size-fits-most system to cover nine of ten employess within three years.
Admit that the federal bureaucracy is just that, and stop trying to run it like a company. Limit its waste by curtailing its size, rather than devoting a shocking amount of work to a permanent-change system of federally funded self-employment as management fad consultants. This chews up much more of the federal budget than people realize, as a culture of unceasing improvement has turned into a sizeable percentage of federal employees who do nothing but re-organize other federal employees, without end.
8. Agree upon a list of issues which are important but which will *not* be acted upon within the next three years.
Prepare a subsequent "Contract with America" to address those issues.
Conversation starter?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:01:08am |
Still haven't figured out why they'd ruin Scooby-Doo by putting Scrappy in there. Total mystery.
Even the gang can't solve that one.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:07:14am |
re: #227 SasquatchOnSteroids
Still haven't figured out why they'd ruin Scooby-Doo by putting Scrappy in there. Total mystery.
Even the gang can't solve that one.
Ewoks.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:10:29am |
Why Charles, I do believe that you have fixed the bug in the LGF search results when "Overnight Open Thread" collides with other threads.
Upding on the thread for that!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:19:16am |
re: #226 haakondahl
I don't add many posts to favorites. Why aren't you over here?
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quickjustice Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:39:18am |
re: #226 haakondahl
In a recession, proposals to increase unemployment by millions of government workers will not be well-received. Selecting arbitrary numbers of government workers to cut also doesn't work well. Why do you say one-third instead of, say, half, or 2/3?
Focus instead on programs to cut or restructure. Example: replace all social welfare programs with cash payments. Discussed in detail by Charles Murray in his book, "In Our Hands: A Plan to Replace the Welfare State": [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Or how about Murray's proposal to enrich high school education, and reducing its duration to tenth grade:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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UncleRancher Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:43:13am |
re: #226 haakondahl
9. Eliminate the IRS and the federal income tax. Replace the revenue with a national value-added tax, or sales tax.
10. Eliminate the department of "education".
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 6, 2009 5:55:03am |
re: #231 quickjustice
Or how about Murray's proposal to enrich high school education, and reducing its duration to tenth grade:[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Can I ask-- What's Murray's argument for reducing its duration? This is an honest request for information; I haven't read the book and I'm curious.
I'm all for enriching highschool education and I think it's essential that we do so--I guess I'm just deeply sceptical that we can enrich it *and* cut its duration at the same time.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:02:03am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Its been raining all night and day - and we had our first thunderstorm of the season! Huge amount of water coming from the sky, and poor Madame hid under the table, shaking like a leaf.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:04:17am |
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (65 degrees, going up to 82 degrees) but currently overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone today, the 65th anniversary of D-Day, when the allied nations took perhaps their biggest step to end tyranny and deliver freedom to those living in at least Western Europe.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:06:02am |
I would alos thank to extend my deepest gratitude and reverance to all those men who fought in WWII and especially those who took part in liberating Europe, starting this day, 65 years ago.
May God Bless and watch over you all. We owe you a debt of gratitude so enormous that it can NEVER be repaid.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:07:45am |
re: #236 realwest
PIMF: "I would also like to thank and extend."
Not a lack of coffee, just hard to see the monitor right now.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:08:46am |
re: #238 realwest
PIMF: "I would also like to thank and extend."
Not a lack of coffee, just hard to see the monitor right now.
Try turning it on :)
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:10:14am |
Good morning, {rw}!
Here is a moving story about British Vets, on this day:
Back on the beaches for the last time: D-Day heroes who still hear the cries of fallen comrades (pity that British penny-pinching meant the band was German)
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:10:39am |
re: #239 Walter L. Newton
It is on Walter. I reckon it's my eyes trying to see through the mist of emotion.
When didja change your avatar and who is that?
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:12:02am |
re: #240 Iron Fist
Good morning Bro'. I'm surprised and pleased to hear that your sensei, RIP, made it through the entire war.
What is HTH?
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:12:27am |
And on a somewhat lighter note:
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:12:32am |
re: #241 rightside Good morning rightside, how are you today?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:13:46am |
re: #243 realwest
It is on Walter. I reckon it's my eyes trying to see through the mist of emotion.
When didja change your avatar and who is that?
Me. The other picture was me in 2002. And that other picture was me all made up for a part in a show, so my hair was dyed and my facial hair was dyed and I had makeup on to make me look a little more ruddy, versus my normal really pale white. No, I didn't get sick, just went from about 250 pounds down to about 180 now. And I am 56 years old.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:14:32am |
re: #247 Walter L. Newton
Me. The other picture was me in 2002. And that other picture was me all made up for a part in a show, so my hair was dyed and my facial hair was dyed and I had makeup on to make me look a little more ruddy, versus my normal really pale white. No, I didn't get sick, just went from about 250 pounds down to about 180 now. And I am 56 years old.
Correction 350 pound to 180.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:16:11am |
re: #242 yma o hyd
Good afternoon {yma} - thank you for that story you linked to.
How are you today?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:17:09am |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
Correction 350 pound to 180.
so you're saying you're half the man you used to be?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:17:48am |
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:18:20am |
re: #247 Walter L. Newton
"And I am 56 years old." Young Pup!
I'm 64 years old and my natural hair color is now grey, the same as it was last year! I don't think the blond is ever coming back without some sort of chemical help!
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:18:44am |
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bloodnok Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:20:31am |
re: #242 yma o hyd
Good morning, {rw}!
Here is a moving story about British Vets, on this day:
Back on the beaches for the last time: D-Day heroes who still hear the cries of fallen comrades (pity that British penny-pinching meant the band was German)
That was an excellent article.
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Capitalistincharge Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:21:15am |
Just a quick good morning and then off to the salt mine.
Brian Williams bow to Obama, has not received the coverage it should have. I find the gesture to be the most disgusting display of idol worship...ever. Why haven't Americans humiliated Williams to the point of resignation? Until now, I knew the journalist worship of "The One" was alive and well, but, a bow! This display has made me more fearful of what is going on in our Country.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:21:18am |
re: #248 rightside
I'm doing ok rightside - my Mom is watching the "festivities" today in France, with tears in her eyes for all the members (3) of her family that were killed that day - 2 cousins on Omaha Beach and one uncle at Point du Hoc.
And by that day, my Dad, RIP, was already stateside, in a military hospital with one eye shot out. It's a tad emotional for us, especially Mom, today.
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Silvergirl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:22:04am |
re: #242 yma o hyd
Good morning, {rw}!
Here is a moving story about British Vets, on this day:
Back on the beaches for the last time: D-Day heroes who still hear the cries of fallen comrades (pity that British penny-pinching meant the band was German)
Loved the photos in your link.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:22:05am |
re: #253 realwest
"And I am 56 years old." Young Pup!
I'm 64 years old and my natural hair color is now grey, the same as it was last year! I don't think the blond is ever coming back without some sort of chemical help!
Mine is much more grey than it appears in that picture, but there is a lot of blond left in it. And the hair is longer now, down to the shoulders, the avatar photo was taken in Nov. when we hosted Roger McGuinn (of the Byrds) for a concert at the theatre. Maybe I should have cropped Roger out and used him as an avatar.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:23:10am |
Watched a bit of the D-Day ceremony.
The President and Michelle were running 20 minutes late.
While walking on a long path to the ceremony, Michelle was unsmiling, with furrowed brow, ignoring people along the way.
The President was wearing a black suit, and was smiling greeting people along the way.
Michelle looked angry, not just somber.
And the dress and belt ensemble was another glaring faux pas.
Sigh.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:23:11am |
re: #257 realwest
I'm doing ok rightside - my Mom is watching the "festivities" today in France, with tears in her eyes for all the members (3) of her family that were killed that day - 2 cousins on Omaha Beach and one uncle at Point du Hoc.
And by that day, my Dad, RIP, was already stateside, in a military hospital with one eye shot out. It's a tad emotional for us, especially Mom, today.
Hey, you thank Mom and yourself for me for all your families service over the years.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:23:23am |
went to dinner with two other couples last night ... for some reason the guys were asking me about my views on Obama, the mideast, and the new administration's policies. boy did I give them some food for thought.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:23:29am |
re: #250 realwest
Good afternoon {yma} - thank you for that story you linked to.
How are you today?
Hiya, {rw}!
A tad exhausted, after yesterday's visit by the prospective holiday guest - of the four-legged kind!
He's sweet, but really big - Madame is sleeping off her experience as well, right now.
He'll come to stay for three weeks on Friday - we ned to get fit by then!
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:24:58am |
re: #263 _RememberTonyC
went to dinner with two other couples last night ... for some reason the guys were asking me about my views on Obama, the mideast, and the new administration's policies. boy did I give them some food for thought.
The Emperor has no clothes, and people are starting to notice.
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rightside Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:25:29am |
re: #257 realwest
I think most here are grateful for everyone's service to our country, including me. I'd still be serving probably if they let me.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:25:36am |
re: #264 yma o hyd
Hiya, {rw}!
A tad exhausted, after yesterday's visit by the prospective holiday guest - of the four-legged kind!
He's sweet, but really big - Madame is sleeping off her experience as well, right now.
He'll come to stay for three weeks on Friday - we ned to get fit by then!
Good Morning Lizards! {YMA} Babysitting for 3 weeks? Weeee!
Hope you are well today
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quickjustice Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:25:52am |
re: #233 iceweasel
Murray thinks that high school should be the last formal schooling for those children who are below average, and that its quality should therefore be dramatically improved. He thinks college should be reserved for gifted students who can actually benefit from it.
For below-average pupils, tenth grade is enough. Many of them drop out after that point anyway. Get them into vocational training where they can master a skill or trade, and lead happy, productive lives.
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bloodnok Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:26:00am |
re: #256 Capitalistincharge
Just a quick good morning and then off to the salt mine.
Brian Williams bow to Obama, has not received the coverage it should have. I find the gesture to be the most disgusting display of idol worship...ever. Why haven't Americans humiliated Williams to the point of resignation? Until now, I knew the journalist worship of "The One" was alive and well, but, a bow! This display has made me more fearful of what is going on in our Country.
"Gotcha" politics does not play well and it wouldn't change anything anyway. It's the MSM. There's no need to care what they do or say. Don't watch and recommend to your friends that they don't either. It's all you can do.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:26:09am |
re: #255 bloodnok
That was an excellent article.
Indeed it was.
We had this on the BBC as well, briefly, amid all the political mayhem here - but the other papers don't ahve these reports - after all, it was the MAIL which got behind the veterans, their readers collecting money to make the trip for them possible.
Gord, natch, didn't want to give a penny - and if PB0 hadn't turned up, he'd not ahve gone either.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:26:11am |
re: #260 Walter L. Newton
Mine is much more grey than it appears in that picture, but there is a lot of blond left in it. And the hair is longer now, down to the shoulders, the avatar photo was taken in Nov. when we hosted Roger McGuinn (of the Byrds) for a concert at the theatre. Maybe I should have cropped Roger out and used him as an avatar.
Roger McGuinn was in Connecticut a few weeks ago at a small theatre in Torrington. My friend went ot the show and said it was great.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:26:16am |
re: #262 Walter L. Newton
Thank you Walter. I'll thank my Mom for it, count on it.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:27:49am |
re: #259 Silvergirl
Loved the photos in your link.
Yes - me too!
What courage all those men showed.
And to think that Gord wasn't interested ...
*Spit*
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:28:07am |
re: #265 DistantThunder
The Emperor has no clothes, and people are starting to notice.
interestingly, the week before I was out with another friend and his wife. he is a small business owner who hated Bush and voted for BHO. he was bitching about the future and I told him he was in the crosshairs of Obama's moneygrubbers. I don't think he'll be voting for BHO in '12.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:28:18am |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! I'm doing ok, I guess, how are you today?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:29:53am |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards! {YMA} Babysitting for 3 weeks? Weeee!
Hope you are well today
Hoosier ... Sadly, it looks like it will be "Lakers in 6." Boy do I hope I am wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:30:16am |
re: #271 _RememberTonyC
Roger McGuinn was in Connecticut a few weeks ago at a small theatre in Torrington. My friend went ot the show and said it was great.
We had him for two nights, our theatre is a small venue, seats 146 if we add a few catering chairs, and he sold out each night. It was nice, up close and personal. He's a really nice guy, friendly, his wife is a bit of a stickler, but then again, she does all his managing and tour arrangements, so it's probably best that one of them are the "business" person in the bunch.
We have a John Denver tribute concert tonight (boring IMHO) and then open a new play next week.
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bloodnok Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:30:30am |
re: #270 yma o hyd
Indeed it was.
We had this on the BBC as well, briefly, amid all the political mayhem here - but the other papers don't ahve these reports - after all, it was the MAIL which got behind the veterans, their readers collecting money to make the trip for them possible.
Gord, natch, didn't want to give a penny - and if PB0 hadn't turned up, he'd not ahve gone either.
Will Gord call for an election before his popularity goes to single digits (or has that already happened)? It is remarkable how completely his government unraveled. Historically inept.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:31:04am |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards! {YMA} Babysitting for 3 weeks? Weeee!
Hope you are well today
Very damp as well as a tad tired!
Baz (thats his name) isn't exactly a baby, he's 10. He is lovely, but not used to having other dogs around. Good thing Madame really likes him - she wound him up all morning, yesterday. It was hilarious!
Something else also had me in stitches: Wherever Baz left a mark, she went, had a sniff, and marked it herself - then he came back, sniffed, and marked the spot again!
I was creased up, laughing!
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:32:08am |
re: #270 yma o hyd
Indeed it was.
We had this on the BBC as well, briefly, amid all the political mayhem here - but the other papers don't ahve these reports - after all, it was the MAIL which got behind the veterans, their readers collecting money to make the trip for them possible.
Gord, natch, didn't want to give a penny - and if PB0 hadn't turned up, he'd not ahve gone either.
That is, quite frankly, unforgivable and incomprehensible to me, that all the other papers didn't have any coverage of today's events or anything leading up to it.
Gord is just a politician, and not a very good one from the view over here, and should rightfully be shunned today.
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quickjustice Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:32:20am |
From Publisher's Weekly, reviewing Murray's "Real Education":
"Murray, coauthor of The Bell Curve, believes our educational system's failures stem from the fundamental lie that every child can be anything he or she wants and that such educational romanticism prevents progress. Four simple truths, he asserts, would prove better: children have different abilities, half of the children are below average, too many children go to college, and America's future depends on the gifted. Murray takes care with his first point, discussing various types of abilities instead of the oft-maligned I.Q. measure; however, he does believe that test scores reflect ability. He argues that there are only a limited number of academically gifted people and these are America's future leaders, that only this elite can enjoy college productively and that the nongifted shouldn't be channeled by their high school counselors into training for that college chimera, which wouldn't make them happy anyway. Further, he argues, if the Educational Testing Service created certification tests covering what employers want applicants to know, these would become the gold standard for applicants, rather than college degrees."
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:32:44am |
re: #278 Walter L. Newton
We had him for two nights, our theatre is a small venue, seats 146 if we add a few catering chairs, and he sold out each night. It was nice, up close and personal. He's a really nice guy, friendly, his wife is a bit of a stickler, but then again, she does all his managing and tour arrangements, so it's probably best that one of them are the "business" person in the bunch.
We have a John Denver tribute concert tonight (boring IMHO) and then open a new play next week.
I'm a few years younger than you (51), but have always loved the Byrds. And Tom Petty's cover versions of some of their songs are excellent. Gotta run ... have a wonderful day.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:32:54am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:33:43am |
re: #280 yma o hyd
Very damp as well as a tad tired!
Baz (thats his name) isn't exactly a baby, he's 10. He is lovely, but not used to having other dogs around. Good thing Madame really likes him - she wound him up all morning, yesterday. It was hilarious!
Something else also had me in stitches: Wherever Baz left a mark, she went, had a sniff, and marked it herself - then he came back, sniffed, and marked the spot again!
I was creased up, laughing!
I hope all that marking went on outside?
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Capitalistincharge Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:33:50am |
re: #269 bloodnok
Perhaps it wouldn't change anything, per se. However, that public display of servitude should have every single American, irregardless of political bent, howling with disgust. Enough outrage and maybe the press would be able to rebirth the ethics of journalism's roll in a democracy.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:35:13am |
re: #280 yma o hyd
Very damp as well as a tad tired!
Baz (thats his name) isn't exactly a baby, he's 10. He is lovely, but not used to having other dogs around. Good thing Madame really likes him - she wound him up all morning, yesterday. It was hilarious!
Something else also had me in stitches: Wherever Baz left a mark, she went, had a sniff, and marked it herself - then he came back, sniffed, and marked the spot again!
I was creased up, laughing!
Ha...That's great..Winston is running around the fence line sniffing very inch...
He is ate up...But very cute
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:35:35am |
re: #279 bloodnok
Will Gord call for an election before his popularity goes to single digits (or has that already happened)? It is remarkable how completely his government unraveled. Historically inept.
It looks as if he thinks he can tough it out - the Labour MPs are more interested in keeping their trotters and snouts in the trough for as long as possible, instead of thinking of the country.
It'll be quiet over the weekend because everybody is waiting for the results of the European elections, which will come out on Monday - thats because the elections took and take place on different days in different countries.
Labour has lost all councils where they stood for local elections - they all went to the Tories, even in places where Labour 'reigned' for 28 years.
Oh - and shock horror! The BNP got two (thats 2!) council seats - out of over 2000 ...
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:36:45am |
re: #270 yma o hyd
Indeed it was.
We had this on the BBC as well, briefly, amid all the political mayhem here - but the other papers don't ahve these reports - after all, it was the MAIL which got behind the veterans, their readers collecting money to make the trip for them possible.
Gord, natch, didn't want to give a penny - and if PB0 hadn't turned up, he'd not ahve gone either.
I'm looking at an article on the Telegraph web site. I don't know if it's in the print edition, but it's online. And a number of sidebar articles.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:37:20am |
re: #287 HoosierHoops
Did you get the junk I sent yet?
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bloodnok Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:37:48am |
re: #288 yma o hyd
It looks as if he thinks he can tough it out - the Labour MPs are more interested in keeping their trotters and snouts in the trough for as long as possible, instead of thinking of the country.
It'll be quiet over the weekend because everybody is waiting for the results of the European elections, which will come out on Monday - thats because the elections took and take place on different days in different countries.
Labour has lost all councils where they stood for local elections - they all went to the Tories, even in places where Labour 'reigned' for 28 years.
Oh - and shock horror! The BNP got two (thats 2!) council seats - out of over 2000 ...
I haven't been paying attention to the results of the local elections. That's massive! Good for the Tories.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:37:55am |
re: #281 realwest
That is, quite frankly, unforgivable and incomprehensible to me, that all the other papers didn't have any coverage of today's events or anything leading up to it.
Gord is just a politician, and not a very good one from the view over here, and should rightfully be shunned today.
They have reports, but nothing as lovely and colourful as the MAIL.
They have used most of their pages on the political situation here at home, which is indescribable.
Gord has vowed 'to fight on' - and here is the promised CARTOON!
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albusteve Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:38:13am |
re: #278 Walter L. Newton
We had him for two nights, our theatre is a small venue, seats 146 if we add a few catering chairs, and he sold out each night. It was nice, up close and personal. He's a really nice guy, friendly, his wife is a bit of a stickler, but then again, she does all his managing and tour arrangements, so it's probably best that one of them are the "business" person in the bunch.
We have a John Denver tribute concert tonight (boring IMHO) and then open a new play next week.
I have met a few of my super hero musician idols...could tell some stories but it is so refreshing to find someone is loose and friendly and just happy to mingle with fans on a neighborly level...John Hiatt is like that...he asks you questions too...about a car repair or a TV show or whatever...jus thinking back
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:39:27am |
re: #284 HoosierHoops
re: #276 rightside
re: #277 _RememberTonyC
re: #278 Walter L. Newton
Hey Lizards! Beautiful day today..Sitting on the deck...Hope you are all well..
TonyC: It might be a sweep..My deepest hope is the Lakers collapse and lose in 7..Weeeeee!
Gawd - aren't you lucky!
Cold, rain and thunderstorm here - and snow up North!
Rugby later - Wales v USA, in Chicago ...
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:40:28am |
re: #268 quickjustice
Thank you--, I thought it might be something like that. I have to say I'd agree; one of the most destructive ideas we have here is that "everyone" has to go to college--no matter what college.
I think we'd be better off with a system where people get vo/tech training at 16 or so and college is available to all those who merit it. Right now we've got people taking out huge loans and forced to take classes in all sorts of things when all they really want (for example) is an accounting degree or similar.
Further, he argues, if the Educational Testing Service created certification tests covering what employers want applicants to know, these would become the gold standard for applicants, rather than college degrees."
I'd say the pressure there has to be top down, from employers to ETS.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:40:29am |
re: #292 yma o hyd
LOL! I must say {yma} I'd forgotten how quite, ah, blunt, British papers can be!
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:40:46am |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
I hope all that marking went on outside?
Thank God, it did - trees, posts, wastepaper baskets in the park, and in the back garden one particularly unlucky tuft of grass ...
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:42:20am |
Ronald Wilson Reagan, June 6th 1984 at Point du Hoc.
With historic footage and photos.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:42:27am |
re: #287 HoosierHoops
Ha...That's great..Winston is running around the fence line sniffing very inch...
He is ate up...But very cute
Winston would probably be a bit scared of Baz - he is as big as a lab, but trim and slim. And he's mostly black - looks scary but is a big softie, really.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:43:05am |
re: #290 Walter L. Newton
Did you get the junk I sent yet?
Fucking A! WOW! thank you so much Walter! You rock dude!
/i had to run out to the mailbox so this answer is a little delayed..
You sent me the oldest coin i now own...And 4.6 billion year meteorite..
Dude!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:43:26am |
re: #293 albusteve
I have met a few of my super hero musician idols...could tell some stories but it is so refreshing to find someone is loose and friendly and just happy to mingle with fans on a neighborly level...John Hiatt is like that...he asks you questions too...about a car repair or a TV show or whatever...jus thinking back
In almost 40 years of being involved in the regional entertainment business, here and in many other cities and states in the past, the best performances, no matter what the medium, is always the ones where you have a crew of really friendly people.
Entertainment is a tribal, ritual thing, requiring the cooperation of many people, all at the same time, usually live, and really, egos have no place in the process.
And speaking of the "process," I have to head down to the theatre. We have a concert tonight and I have an early call to get things ready before noon.
See you all later this weekend.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:44:06am |
re: #289 Walter L. Newton
I'm looking at an article on the Telegraph web site. I don't know if it's in the print edition, but it's online. And a number of sidebar articles.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
I only look at the Telegraph online - but this is more or less what the others report as well: Prince Charles, and/or PB0, not a lot about the vets themselves.
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bloodnok Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:44:14am |
re: #294 yma o hyd
Gawd - aren't you lucky!
Cold, rain and thunderstorm here - and snow up North!Rugby later - Wales v USA, in Chicago ...
Cool! I should be able to watch the whole thing before I have to leave to go to the Red Sox game tonight.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:45:08am |
re: #237 Iron Fist
Late in responding, but thanks--that makes more sense, I was originally reading it as bringing kids up to 12th grade level by the time they hit tenth grade--which seemed far too ambitious to me, esp given that as you say, right now they're only at 8th grade level when they graduate.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:45:58am |
re: #293 albusteve
Good morning my friend. I was more than a little shocked at hearing of your situation last night; folks were recommending that I put you on The List, and I tried to explain that I only put people on The List if they ask for it or if I think they'd want me to. Near as I can tell from your #164, though, you'd rather not be on The List? My nic is in blue if you'd care to e-mail me about it.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:46:02am |
re: #296 realwest
LOL! I must say {yma} I'd forgotten how quite, ah, blunt, British papers can be!
Yes, the British political cartoonists have bluntness down to a fine art!
Tomorrow it'll be the turn of another famous one, I'll link to it!
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:48:29am |
re: #298 jcm Good morning jcm, thank you for that. I've bookmarked it to hear later, while O is speaking in France. I've no doubt that that speech by Reagan will be hard, if not impossible for anyone to match.
How are you today?
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Ron Bacardi Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:49:15am |
Quick observation: MS's new search engine Bing has a picture with Normandy beach and links to photos and commentary on the D-Day Invasion.
Google is celebrating..... Tetris.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:50:18am |
re: #303 bloodnok
Cool! I should be able to watch the whole thing before I have to leave to go to the Red Sox game tonight.
Please do! I am a bit feeble on the time difference between here in Wales and Chicago - but on the TV we get to see it from just before 7p.m. our time - should be 5 or six hours ahead of you.
Its of course a rather depleted squad - all our best players are on the Lions tour in South Africa right now. But still, some good players in it, some from my own club, Cardiff Blues.
Also - some outstanding youngsters. Its their first time playing in the senior squad.
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:51:15am |
re: #307 realwest
Good morning jcm, thank you for that. I've bookmarked it to hear later, while O is speaking in France. I've no doubt that that speech by Reagan will be hard, if not impossible for anyone to match.
How are you today?
A grand morning, a bit cooler after our record setting heat of the last few days (high 80's).
Puttering around slowing getting breakfast going and scanning LGF. With a cup of coffee.
Reagan set the mark for D-Day speeches.
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quickjustice Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:51:56am |
re: #295 iceweasel
The historical problem in education is that employers formerly used IQ tests to determine aptitude for a job. The tests were attacked as biased against minorities, so they were abandoned. College degrees started to replace IQ tests as the key employment credential. That created a demand for a college diploma from people who lacked any real interest in college except as a credential for employment. That, in turn, debased college as the diploma mills sprang up.
Murray really is arguing for a new way to credential pupils that avoids their having to bankrupt themselves by paying for an expensive college education they don't need, aren't interested in, and will never use. Improving the quality of high school, and limiting it to Tenth Grade for graduation, could accomplish that.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:52:27am |
Time to put the wellies on and venture out with Madame ...
BBL
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:53:54am |
re: #310 jcm
A grand morning, a bit cooler after our record setting heat of the last few days (high 80's).
Puttering around slowing getting breakfast going and scanning LGF. With a cup of coffee.
Reagan set the mark for D-Day speeches.
Good morning JCM! 80's here today..Swimming pool time!
Hope today finds you well...
I remember watching the longest day as a kid..Great movie
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:56:15am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:57:46am |
re: #295 iceweasel
re: #311 quickjustice
One quick easy solution
BRING BACK VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOLS
When I was a teen, oh those mant decades ago, the kids that didn't want to go to college after high school, or already knew they wanted to work in a trade were offered Vocational High School instead of the regular academic/ college prep one. They still had to take and pass English and Math, but then they were trained in a host of "blue collar" fields
plumbing
carpentry
auto mechanics
electrical
Too many kids are in high schools today that
A) don't really want to be there but it's mandatory
B) have no aspirations to further their education after high school
which leads to
C) not really being trained for anything after graduation
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:58:39am |
re: #308 Ron Bacardi
OMG, are you suggesting that MS is more patriotic or at least aware of history than Google? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya!
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:58:40am |
re: #313 HoosierHoops
Good morning JCM! 80's here today..Swimming pool time!
Hope today finds you well...
I remember watching the longest day as a kid..Great movie
The Longest Day (trailer)
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:58:44am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:59:40am |
re: #315 sattv4u2
Good Morning Satt...
What do you ask someone with a masters in Liberal arts?
Can I have a refill?
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 6:59:50am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:00:43am |
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:00:47am |
re: #317 jcm
I watched that movie with my dad, WW2 vet, when it first came out. He wanted to see it; I was about 12 at the time. He wanted me to see it too & I think some of my younger brothers went along to the theater too.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:02:31am |
re: #319 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Satt...
What do you ask someone with a masters in Liberal arts?
Can I have a refill?
hehe. Before me (like there was anything in her life before me!) my wife was dating a "professional student". He was 29 at the time and STILL in college, pursuing yet another degree!@
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:06:59am |
I just heard a good line:
Man plans
God Laughs
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:07:41am |
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:07:57am |
re: #322 Ojoe
I watched that movie with my dad, WW2 vet, when it first came out. He wanted to see it; I was about 12 at the time. He wanted me to see it too & I think some of my younger brothers went along to the theater too.
Others if you haven't seen them.
Band of Brothers, don't miss the Ambrose book it's based on.
Saving Private Ryan., President Obama should answer the question in the last scene.
Ike: Countdown to D-Day, with Tom Selleck as Eisenhower (he pulls it off).
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:09:05am |
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:10:51am |
Listening to Obama's D-Day speech. ugh. I think he is a cold terrible speaker. And his ascriptions are ludicrous. He ascribes the prosperity of Europe that was started by the Marshall Plan. I thought Gordon Brown actually gave a very moving speech. I get the impression, that some of these words have crossed Obama's lips for the very first time. And of course, he had to say that the forces that gathered "were not perfect."
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:11:19am |
re: #327 jcm
Well, Mom is impressed with President Obama's speech, but I was banished when I wondered how he would get his great-uncle who helped liberate Buchewald into a speech about D-Day. Which he then proceeded to do!
I'll show her Reagan's speech, which you so kindly provided at your #298 as the appropriate sort of speech to be given on this day.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:14:25am |
re: #331 jcm
Amazing video of a Jumbo landing.....
I think I was on that flight. It was a commuter jet, Providence R.I to Worcester Mass.. I was surprised there were no peanuts on board!
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:15:45am |
re: #329 DistantThunder
Hi DT! I thought he said the Nations from which those forces came were not perfect. Gee, I'm glad he told me that or I would never have guessed.
Actually, you may be right, it may have been the forces because Blacks still served in segregated units at the time, none of which, to the best of my memory, took part in D-Day. So of course, to President Obama, they couldn't, by nature, be perfect. Indeed Women didn't serve either, further making those forces even more imperfect. Just a bunch of now old or dead White men did it all.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:16:48am |
Mornin' all from a t-storm filled Eastern Wa.
Hey the previous thread...Just a dude talking, no laughing apes!
The D-Day service is on c-span now.
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:18:27am |
re: #330 realwest
Well, Mom is impressed with President Obama's speech, but I was banished when I wondered how he would get his great-uncle who helped liberate Buchewald into a speech about D-Day. Which he then proceeded to do!
I'll show her Reagan's speech, which you so kindly provided at your #298 as the appropriate sort of speech to be given on this day.
I haven't seen it yet.
Anyone got a link to the video or text, I checked CNN and FOX and it doesn't seem to be up anywhere yet.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:18:51am |
re: #334 pingjockey
Morning ping! Y'all will enjoy it more if you watch it on Fox.
Playing Taps, time for me to put on some other music.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:19:33am |
re: #335 jcm
I watched about 5 minutes of O's speech live on Fox.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:19:42am |
Quote Of Note
When Nancy Reagan saw which hand Obama uses to write with
"Oh, you're a lefty."
NANCY REAGAN to President Obama as he signed a bill honoring her late husband
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Former Belgian Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:19:46am |
re: #282 quickjustice
From Publisher's Weekly, reviewing Murray's "Real Education":
"Murray [...] argues that there are only a limited number of academically gifted people and these are America's future leaders, that only this elite can enjoy college productively and that the nongifted shouldn't be channeled by their high school counselors into training for that college chimera, which wouldn't make them happy anyway. [...]
When I was growing up, the only education required to become a bank teller was a high school diploma. Then they started asking for the "maturity certificate" (an additional examination required to enter college --- Belgian universities in those days only had entrance exams for engineering, the 50%+ flunking rate in the freshman year was then as now the de facto entrance exam).
High schools reacted by basically giving the maturity certificate to any high school graduate, no questions asked. Then banks started asking for what in the USA you call an associate's degree.
Now they're up to asking for college degrees for a position that basically just requires the three Rs and some common sense. Being a bank teller has not become that much more complex.
I thought I had gotten pretty lousy high school education. Then I went to graduate school in the USA, met products of the US public school system, and could not believe how little they knew about anything outside the field of their college major. (The Murray argument for compressing a 12-year ES+MS+HS education into 10 years was made more than a decade ago by Newt Gingrich: he said 12-year high school was basically "subsidizing dating".)
The brutal truth is that "college education for all" will:
(a) basically be a massive rent-seeking scheme for universities (and the New Class elements employed there)
(b) do a disservice to those who are not able to benefit from it
(c) will debase the "diploma coin" to the extent that employers will start insisting on advanced (M.Sc. or Ph.D.) degrees instead of 4-year college degrees (in the hard sciences we're basically there already), or that large corporations will start developing their in-house "post-college remedial programs" (this is starting already)
(d) will result in even more unemployable graduates in "Luftgeschaeften" such as postmodern literature studies, and not necessarily more in the demanding science and engineering subjects in which a shortage of graduates is developing.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:20:29am |
re: #336 realwest
Well with c-span ya don't get talking heads making inane comments! he better half has the remote and this is where she stopped!
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:21:11am |
re: #335 jcm
I haven't seen it yet.
Anyone got a link to the video or text, I checked CNN and FOX and it doesn't seem to be up anywhere yet.
From the live link, it looks like it just wrapped up.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:21:12am |
re: #340 pingjockey
Well with c-span ya don't get talking heads making inane comments! he better half has the remote and this is where she stopped!
don;t let her click up one, it's SHOPPING CHANNEL!
$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:22:04am |
Oh and for those who may be tempted to say something unpleasant about Mrs. Obama, I did notice that when she and the President were walking to the Memorial stand, he was smiling and waiving, as if on the campaign trail and Michelle pulled his arm and muttered something and he immediately stopped the smiling and waiving - I think she reminded him of where he was and why he was there.
If so, thank you Mrs. Obama.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:23:39am |
re: #340 pingjockey
Well the talking head(s) at FOX stopped talking during the speeches and most of their talking beforehand was by way of telling the viewers who all was there as they appeared on camera.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:23:42am |
re: #343 realwest
C-span just showed her in a crowd of vets just talking with them. Good for her.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:24:12am |
re: #330 realwest
Well, Mom is impressed with President Obama's speech, but I was banished when I wondered how he would get his great-uncle who helped liberate Buchewald into a speech about D-Day. Which he then proceeded to do!I'll show her Reagan's speech, which you so kindly provided at your #298 as the appropriate sort of speech to be given on this day.
It's unbelieveable that Obama or an Obama relative has been instrumental in every world event over the past 70 years. Phenominal !
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:24:31am |
re: #345 pingjockey
Indeed, same thing on Fox - wonder if it's a shared feed?
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:24:40am |
re: #344 realwest
That's good. Apperently I just caught the end of the ceremony. How did Obamas' speech go?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:27:30am |
re: #347 realwest
Indeed, same thing on Fox - wonder if it's a shared feed?
In such events, there is usually what are called "pool cameras" due to security and/ or the size of the venue. The major networks take turns as to which one is the "pool" crew.
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:29:13am |
re: #349 sattv4u2
In such events, there is usually what are called "pool cameras" due to security and/ or the size of the venue. The major networks take turns as to which one is the "pool" crew.
Awww, you're all wet!
///// ;-P
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:30:46am |
re: #350 jcm
Awww, you're all wet!
///// ;-P
I dove right in though, didn't I?
I'll float another idea soon
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albusteve Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:30:46am |
re: #305 realwest
Good morning my friend. I was more than a little shocked at hearing of your situation last night; folks were recommending that I put you on The List, and I tried to explain that I only put people on The List if they ask for it or if I think they'd want me to. Near as I can tell from your #164, though, you'd rather not be on The List? My nic is in blue if you'd care to e-mail me about it.
howdy bro...
it slipped out...I had no intention of putting myself in that position and I'm somewhat embarrassed about it...it's a bad vibe (for me) and needless to have even been mentioned and I'd like to forget the whole thing...I have been reading your posts for five years now and I'm just as concerned, maybe more, for your situation than mine...I just don't get verbal about that stuff...I am still in such awe of some of the original members here that I don't really see myself as much of a contributor or have any earned status so to speak...I'm fine just hiding out mostly and laying low...maybe you can understand I really don't want the kind of attention you offer...mighty kind of you tho
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:31:27am |
Tom Brokaw should've been thrown in the pol with a big rock tied to his leg for tha goddamn question he asked the one.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:32:02am |
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 34% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0. That’s the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating yet recorded (see trends).
The President’s ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26% of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the President’s numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive.
The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter.
Overall, 54% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far. Forty-six percent (46%) disapprove. For more Presidential barometers, see Obama By the Numbers and recent demographic highlights.
/he's melting!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:33:48am |
Across Europe, Left-Leaning Parties See Clout Faltering
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
As long as the void doesn't get filled by far RIGHT ones, this is good news
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:34:21am |
re: #339 Former Belgian
The brutal truth is that "college education for all" will:(c) will debase the "diploma coin" to the extent that employers will start insisting on advanced (M.Sc. or Ph.D.) degrees instead of 4-year college degrees (in the hard sciences we're basically there already), or that large corporations will start developing their in-house "post-college remedial programs" (this is starting already)
Agreed with everything else as well, just wanted to highlight this bit. The diploma coin is already debased and the result is what you mention: the goal posts move. Employers demand either further qualifications or develop in house standards. Going back to your point b--"do a disservice to those who are not able to benefit from it"-- Yes, and this does a further disservice to them, because they believed that the 4year degree, from anywhere, would be the ticket in. Not so much.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:34:40am |
re: #355 sattv4u2
There's the rub. Politics, like nature, abhors a vaccum.
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:34:52am |
re: #339 Former Belgian
A nice rant, FB, but it's nothing new, even deToqueville noted that Americans (in the early 19th century) believed education was the fix for all things.
Let me take your rant from the other side. Employers are not even willing to pay for more or better education - the degree requirements are "dissatisfiers" that you must not fail, rather than something that marks you as having any virtue. Those engineers you don't see graduating - are facing falling wages, and made a rational decision to go elsewhere.
Whatever the problems with education, it's not the schools that are at fault, or at least not alone. Though I certainly agree, American k-12 education should offer more fast-paced tracks for the better students.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:35:55am |
re: #357 pingjockey
There's the rub. Politics, like nature, abhors a vaccum.
From the article it looks as if it's all mainstream conservative parties that are faring well in across the continent, NOT the far right loons
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:37:18am |
re: #358 itellu3times
I somewhat disagree. Please see my #315
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:37:35am |
re: #359 sattv4u2
That would be good news. I've been worried the VB, BNP, etc...would start gathering momentum from saner heads, not the loons that are hard core Nat'l Socialists.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:37:55am |
re: #348 pingjockey
Hmm - see my #330 and Distant Thunders #329 for two impressions of his speech.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:40:47am |
re: #361 pingjockey
That would be good news. I've been worried the VB, BNP, etc...would start gathering momentum from saner heads, not the loons that are hard core Nat'l Socialists.
They'll always attract some voters and becuase of how they conduct street demonstrations will always attract the press. But much like the 4ht/5th/ 6th parties you see here in America every 4 years they won';t ganer more than a few percentage points of the vote.
Granted, at times they'll be able to get A seat in A parliament, but one seat out of say 300 shouldn;'t be a problem
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:41:25am |
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:41:53am |
i was working on our church history and wanted to talk to one of our oldest members, who was also a veteran. No problem - he lived right across the street, and the summer months would find him selling fruits and vegetables in his roadside stand. So I just walked over there, sat down, and talked to him.
"Would you like to see my Purple Heart?" He asked. Certainly! This was a surprise, I had never known that Mr. Lewis had been injured. So he walked inside and came back a few moments later with a small box.
The medal was perfect - it looked like it had been made last week, not 60 years ago. He had the full sized medal that you wear on a dress uniform, the bar that goes on an everyday uniform, and the small pin that you can wear in a business suit's lapel.
"I was injured on D-Day," he said without my asking. "We came of the LST, the three guys in front of me died as soon as the gate came down. I figured I had better get off of there quick, so I jumped off, but we weren't as close to the shore as they had figured. I went straight to the bottom, but I swam back up and bobbed along until I got to the beach. I made it about two steps before I was shot."
"Wow." (What would you say if you were 21 years old and hearing this tale for the first time?)
"Somehow the medics got me out of there... I woke up in a hospital back in England, got that Purple Heart, and after I got better they sent me back. I was standing by the side of a road, reading a map and trying to figure out exactly where we were when some SOB shot me in the back of the leg! Back to the hospital, and I got a little oak leaf cluster on my Purple Heart to show that I had been wounded twice."
That was also the day I had my first adult beverage, as me and Mr. Lewis shared a little Jack Daniels for his buddies who are still on that beach.
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:42:02am |
re: #360 sattv4u2
I somewhat disagree. Please see my #315
Oh, my post is just an early morning ramble, I don't mean to disagree with your suggestions, was just set off a bit by the mention of the "engineer shortage".
My real rant would be about the shortage of management talent, from first-line to CEO, in modern corporations. It's almost like they demand stupidity from the staff, not performance, and certaintly not intelligence. American business today feels so, so different from even the early 1980s, much less anything earlier. And this gets reflected down into education as well.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:42:39am |
re: #365 sattv4u2
The way it seemed sharia was taking over, I thought maybe the mainstream folks might be tempted to hook up with the extremists, like they did in Germany in the 30s.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:42:45am |
re: #352 albusteve
Well, as always, it's your choice my friend. I talk about my cancer because the first time I mentioned it out here, in July of '05, I felt that I was in a community of friends - some more friendly than others! - and I was still in shock. But comments and a blizzard of e-mails let me know that other folks suffering from terminal illnesses, were glad I spoke out and said it gave them the courage to write to me and to talk with family members and friends about their own conditions.
I couldn't very well stop discussing it thereafter, could I?
I pray for you and wish you the finest and best of luck my friend.
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FrogMarch Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:44:07am |
Boston Paper Pictures Newt, Rush and O'Reilly In KKK Gear
Well, that's what you get when you point out what Sonia Sotomayer has said in the past. Her own words make republicans KKK members.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:45:40am |
re: #368 itellu3times
It seems most management is worried about a lot of HR/touchy feely crap and being overbearing and not worried about the product being put out! Just my experience with a couple of places.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:46:28am |
re: #368 itellu3times
Oh, my post is just an early morning ramble, I don't mean to disagree with your suggestions, was just set off a bit by the mention of the "engineer shortage".
My real rant would be about the shortage of management talent, from first-line to CEO, in modern corporations. It's almost like they demand stupidity from the staff, not performance, and certaintly not intelligence. American business today feels so, so different from even the early 1980s, much less anything earlier. And this gets reflected down into education as well.
What I witnessed in the mid 90's till about 3 years ago was that there were too MANY layers of "management", talented or not. Corporations were "middle heavy". The feild wanted something done it had to go through eleventy sumfin layers of management before it came back down to the field as approved. By that time the initioal problem had either doubled, or the project was now obsolete, or a competitor more streamlined had taken it over.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:46:36am |
re: #367 SteveC
Very fine and moving story SteveC, thank you for sharing it with us.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:47:25am |
re: #372 pingjockey
GMTA (373) and also worried about legal ramifications, whether one existed or not
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:48:29am |
re: #367 SteveC
You never know what the old boy next door may have done back in the day! Friend of my granpas had survived the Bataan Death March. Worked in the local grocery store, quiet, unassuming, etc...
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:07am |
re: #371 FrogMarch
Boston Paper Pictures Newt, Rush and O'Reilly In KKK Gear
Well, that's what you get when you point out what Sonia Sotomayer has said in the past. Her own words make republicans KKK members.
wow , they still publish The Phoenix? When I lived in Boston it was used for 2 things
What bands were playing at what club on what night
Ads for hookers
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:16am |
re: #375 sattv4u2
Yep. Layer of bureuacracy, doing nothing.
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:19am |
Obama's speechwriters must have a bunch of stock phrases that they have to work into various speeches, regardless of whether the speech calls for it or not. I'm surprised someone hasn't put together a website so as to create a random speech generator - using all of his stock phrases.
References to Obama's family history is mandatory when giving speeches on foreign policy or race relations or heck - anything. Never mind that on so many of the occasions on which he speaks it isn't about him, but on the actions of others who fought against evil (D-Day) who is supposed to be honoring.
As for his supposed ability to give speeches, let's just say I'm not impressed. The media loves him, but that's because they wanted to see him elected. His qualifications were never made the issue, despite the fact that he had none (other than being Not Bush). If the media gave even a half moment's notice to his speeches, they'd see the same empty and vaucous self-references that suggest that he's actually quite insecure because he has to puff up his own actions based on what others in his own family have achieved (like the great uncle). Throwing in anecdotes is part and parcel of politics, but with Obama, it's a grating experience since it's entirely predictable - even when it shouldn't be. They don't make his speeches memorable for their content, and the only history being made is that he's the President and he gave a speech. That's a significant failing in my book.
That said, taking the opportunity to knock North Korea was a good thing. Too bad his policies are to sit back and do nothing while Iran and North Korea both pursue nuclear weapons.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:19am |
PART I: OUTLINE OF OPERATION OVERLORD
TAB I: OUTLINE OF TACTICAL PROBLEM1. OBJECT—The ultimate mission of the Commanding General, ETOUSA, is the total defeat of Germany. The object of Operation OVERLORD is to mount and carry out an operation with forces and equipment established in the United Kingdom and with target date as designated, to secure a lodgement area on the Continent from which further offensive operations can be developed. This will be part of a concerted assault upon German occupied Europe from the United Kingdom, the Mediterranean and Russia.
2. GENERAL INFORMATION—The operation will be executed in two phases:
Phase I—The assault and capture of an initial lodgement area, including the development of airfield sites in the CAEN area and the capture of CHERBOURG.
Phase II—Enlargement of the area captured in Phase I, to include the Brittany peninsula, all ports south to the Loire (inclusive) and the area between the Loire and the Seine.
Phase I and some parts of Phase II will be executed by U.S., British and Canadian Forces assigned or attached to 21st Army Group.
At a time to be designated by the Supreme Commander, the First U.S. Army Group, as such, will take over certain areas, missions and U.S. Forces then under 21st Army Group.
3. ALLIED FORCES AVAILABLE—On the target date it is estimated that there will be available in United Kingdom:
Land Forces—2l U.S. divisions (13 Infantry, 6 Armored, and 2 Airborne), 17 British divisions (l0 Infantry, 5 Armored, and 2 Airborne) and supporting troops of both Forces.
Air Forces—331 U.S. Squadrons (214 in Eighth [Strategic] Air Force, and 117 in Ninth [Tactical] Air Force) and 220 British Squadrons. Figures for each Air Force include squadrons of all types.*
/the plan
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:34am |
re: #371 FrogMarch
Hello FrogMarch! Well isn't the Boston Globe owned by the NYTimes?
Enough said.
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:35am |
re: #370 realwest
I talk about my cancer because the first time I mentioned it out here, in July of '05, I felt that I was in a community of friends
That's the same reason I talked about my heart here long before I started my blog, I felt comfortable. I had mentioned my problems on another forum *cough*Fark*cough* and got razzed pretty hard. Apparently there are places where imperfect people need not apply.
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:49:43am |
re: #261 DistantThunder
Watched a bit of the D-Day ceremony.
The President and Michelle were running 20 minutes late.
While walking on a long path to the ceremony, Michelle was unsmiling, with furrowed brow, ignoring people along the way.
The President was wearing a black suit, and was smiling greeting people along the way.
Michelle looked angry, not just somber.
And the dress and belt ensemble was another glaring faux pas.
Sigh.
why am i not surprised abt. wab?
she is no good at hiding her deep bitterness and anger. you'd think by now she would be truly 'proud of her country.' what more does she want?
somehow o can appear less hostile than she.
altho behind the bright smile, his coldness his obvious.
wab has shown her ethnic-racial grievance monger tendencies since her college days. she needs help regarding that chip on her shoulder.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:50:11am |
re: #371 FrogMarch
Progressive, tolerant. and if you disagree with us we'll rip yer throat out!
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:51:03am |
re: #371 FrogMarch
Borrowing the outfits from Sen. Byrd did they?
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:51:07am |
re: #381 realwest
Whoops, sorry, it wasn't the Globe afterall - natural guess on my part, though.
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:51:37am |
re: #374 realwest
Very fine and moving story SteveC, thank you for sharing it with us.
Mr. Lewis has passed, but you should have heard him tell about being shot while reading the map. He pretty much decided that it didn't matter where he was, it was the WRONG PLACE!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:52:01am |
re: #381 realwest
Hello FrogMarch! Well isn't the Boston Globe owned by the NYTimes?
Enough said.
It wasn't the Globe, it's the Phoenix (the "alternative" paper)
see #377
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:52:17am |
re: #382 SteveC Hey, speak for yourself when you talk about imperfect people if you don't mind! LOL!
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:53:07am |
re: #380 Killian Bundy
Look at the sheer amount of divisions and aircraft. Just a staggering amount of logistics.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:53:12am |
Another Obama speech? How many days in a row will this go on?
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:53:12am |
re: #379 lawhawk
just think of the number of times o uses I or ME or references the subject of the speech back to HIMSELF.
this is very unbecoming for totus. he is way too needy.
not a grounded, confident person.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:54:07am |
re: #383 nyc redneck
why am i not surprised abt. wab?
she is no good at hiding her deep bitterness and anger. you'd think by now she would be truly 'proud of her country.' what more does she want?
somehow o can appear less hostile than she.
altho behind the bright smile, his coldness his obvious.
wab has shown her ethnic-racial grievance monger tendencies since her college days. she needs help regarding that chip on her shoulder.
the chip is the essence of who she is...it's her motivator so to speak...I don't think anyone is gonna go messin with her chip...imo
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:54:18am |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
Another Obama speech? How many days in a row will this go on?
It's not "another", it's the same one he started the day he announced he was running for Pres!
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:54:51am |
Good morning (or, whatever, depending on where you are, Dear Reader.)
So I assume that some have already noticed how Google has chosen to honor the 65th anniversary of D-Day with a special logo... um, honoring the 25th anniversary of the silly "Tetris" video game?
I've tried to avoid jumping on the Google-bashing bandwagon over the years; but this example really does seem egregious.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:54:56am |
re: #383 nyc redneck
Hey there nyc redneck! Um, y'all might want to read my #343 about Mrs. Obama.
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:55:01am |
My lack of breakfast is catching up with me - I'll be back later!
Have a wonderful morning!
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:55:11am |
re: #379 lawhawk
Bottom line, the man IMO is not a good speaker at all.
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FrogMarch Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:55:38am |
re: #384 pingjockey
Progressive, tolerant. and if you disagree with us we'll rip yer throat out!
Lazy Proggie groupthink. How dare those evil racist rethuglicans have an opinion. racists! all rethuglicans are racists!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:55:49am |
Evil racist liberal maniac!
Supreme Court Nominee Says She Loves Exotic Pig Fare: Intestines, Tongue, Feet, Ears
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FrogMarch Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:56:22am |
re: #386 lawhawk
Borrowing the outfits from Sen. Byrd did they?
shhhh. Sen Byrd(D) doesn't count. His KKK roots are not important - he has the holy and precious (D) behind his name.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:56:42am |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
PETA was unavailable for comment. Pig farmers however, are quite happy.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:57:03am |
re: #393 nyc redneck
just think of the number of times o uses I or ME or references the subject of the speech back to HIMSELF.
this is very unbecoming for totus. he is way too needy.
not a grounded, confident person.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:57:35am |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
Evil racist liberal maniac!
Supreme Court Nominee Says She Loves Exotic Pig Fare: Intestines, Tongue, Feet, Ears
I've eaten pig tongue and ear, and even though I've had those, I can't wrap my head aropund eating the feet even though thats way more common
Intestines, not so much!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:57:54am |
re: #404 pingjockey
Good point. She's contributing to swine flu!
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:58:21am |
re: #372 pingjockey
re: #373 sattv4u2
El Biggo Banco where I'm currently working has way too many layers of management, it's thoroughly ridiculous, as the intro week will tell you in any management theory class. There is no contribution of any kind from the middle seven or eight layers, and heck, I'm pretty sure my second-level manager is clueless about the problems I'm addressing or the solutions I'm pursuing.
The problem in a nutshell is that the management style at all levels is to manage upwards. Nobody cares what goes on beneath them. So the worker bees are supposed to be "self-managing". That don't happen. And it don't happen because someone down there is managing, or no work happens, and if they are managing without recognition then they are also doing it without pay, and nobody does anything without pay. Nor should they, not as part of a profit-seeking corporation. Anyway, those that try are seen as threats or misfits because obviously, the way to be promoted is to brown-nose up not worry about actual work, that's for the losers and lifetime worker-bees, marks you as not management material.
/unpleasant rant for a Saturday morning
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:58:48am |
re: #406 sattv4u2
Cheeks are really good. Probably the best part of a very delicious animal.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:58:55am |
Operation Overlord operation order
/declassified BIGOT document
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:59:02am |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
Well he is OUR President Killgore and as such has a lot of things to talk about.
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badger1970 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:59:29am |
Good morning all. Re-reading President Reagan's speech 25 years ago still brings tears.
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Spartacus50 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 7:59:42am |
Upon reading about the remarks from Obama's D-Day speech, I get the sense that the only knowledge he has of D-Day is what he saw in Saving Private Ryan. Surprised he didn't mention the heroism of those who found Matt Damon.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:00:10am |
My oldest boy graduated last night. During all the intros and stuff they had the kids that had taken college classes stand up, then those who were going to college...then they had the kids going into the military stand up. About 20 out of 400. These fine young people got a standing ovation for about 5 minutes from the 5000 people at the events center. I am tearing up right now. It was AWESOME.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:00:25am |
re: #409 Killgore Trout
Cheeks are really good. Probably the best part of a very delicious animal.
I've heard that but it wasn't available the time(s) I had the other parts.
I think they had used the cheeck meat is a stew that was there
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:00:39am |
re: #408 itellu3times
As a witness to an absolutely Epic Fail-level management screwup at my place of employment in the last two or three weeks, I sympathize.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:00:42am |
re: #396 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. - especially when Google is compared to MS's page.
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:01:01am |
re: #394 albusteve
the chip is the essence of who she is...it's her motivator so to speak...I don't think anyone is gonna go messin with her chip...imo
LOL, it is who she is.
can you imagine running your life out of being that mad and vindictive as the 'top note' of your personality?
she needs to get over feeling like an angry victim. she is first lady of the united states of america, for crying out loud.
what more does she need to make up for all the "wrongs" she has experienced?
for her lack of pride in america.
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quiet man Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:01:42am |
re: #396 Occasional Reader
Given the usual spin, I would say this acion fits in perfectly with their mozaic.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:02:37am |
re: #420 MandyManners
FCBBHO could have sex with a goat in the Rose Garden and the MFM would ignore it.
Depending on how pretty the goat was, i'd watch the youtube vid!
WHA!?!?!?!?!?
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:03:02am |
Oh, goody, Obama has said that the UN Sec. Council is working on a very clear resolution condemning North Korea's actions.
I'm sure glad that problem's solved.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:03:54am |
re: #423 Occasional Reader
That'll show that little pissant who's in charge!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:03:55am |
re: #423 Occasional Reader
Oh, goody, Obama has said that the UN Sec. Council is working on a very clear resolution condemning North Korea's actions.
I'm sure glad that problem's solved.
"VERY CLEAR"
TRANSLATION
We're making sur we run it through spell check 5 times!
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:04:52am |
re: #416 Occasional Reader
As a witness to an absolutely Epic Fail-level management screwup at my place of employment in the last two or three weeks, I sympathize.
Oh, do tell? I love a good story.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:05:23am |
re: #425 sattv4u2
"VERY CLEAR"
TRANSLATION
We're making sur we run it through spell check 5 times!
((((I should have run THAT through it at least ONCE !))
PIMF !
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:05:52am |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
From you link: "She felt like an alien in the Ivy League."
Now where the hell have I heard someone else say that recently - maybe not the Ivy league, but someplace.......
/
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:05:59am |
re: #423 Occasional Reader
Oh, goody, Obama has said that the UN Sec. Council is working on a very clear resolution condemning North Korea's actions.
I'm sure glad that problem's solved.
Send in Hans Brix.
/you're breaking my brawls Hans / L'il Kim
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:06:20am |
re: #427 sattv4u2
((((I should have run THAT through it at least ONCE !))
PIMF !
Spell cheek iz fur Wemps!
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:06:38am |
re: #397 realwest
Hey there nyc redneck! Um, y'all might want to read my #343 about Mrs. Obama.
great if she tried to comport herself for the occasion.
not smiling and acting morose comes easy for her.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:07:32am |
BTW, after the graduation ceremony, we were standing outside and a Chief Petty officer came by. Full dress uniform, medals and all. I got my two younger boys and we went over and shook his hand. Hid daughter had also graduated and requested dad wear his dress uni. As we walked away, I noticed quite a few other folks saying hi and thanks.
It may be bad now, but I do have faith in this country, or at least the non-urban flyover country!
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:08:28am |
re: #426 itellu3times
Oh, do tell? I love a good story.
Umm... I really can't/shouldn't tell much, for several reasons. Suffice it to say: The very senior-most levels of management came up with this brilliant idea to solve a certain rather large problem, which caused pretty much everyone else to exclaim "WHAT BRAND OF CRACK ARE YOU IDIOTS SMOKING?!" Now that it's become apparent what a horrible idea this was, they're frantically trying to cram all that bad juju back into Pandora's Box.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:09:11am |
re: #414 pingjockey
Hey ping - glad to hear about your oldest boy's graduation, Mazel Tov!
And thank you for sharing that entire story.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:11:17am |
re: #418 nyc redneck
Um, didja read my #343 above?
Seems Mrs. Obama, at least, has learned to stop campaigning.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:11:24am |
re: #433 Occasional Reader
I have a little story stashed somewhere about the 'PLAN'.
Something like this...In the begining the plan came down and the troops said this is shit! Next level said it stinks, by the time it got back to management the plan was found to be like fertilizer and aid growth. This is how the PLAN became POLICY.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:12:14am |
re: #379 lawhawk
Obama's speechwriters must have a bunch of stock phrases that they have to work into various speeches, regardless of whether the speech calls for it or not. I'm surprised someone hasn't put together a website so as to create a random speech generator - using all of his stock phrases.
References to Obama's family history is mandatory when giving speeches on foreign policy or race relations or heck - anything. Never mind that on so many of the occasions on which he speaks it isn't about him, but on the actions of others who fought against evil (D-Day) who is supposed to be honoring.
As for his supposed ability to give speeches, let's just say I'm not impressed. The media loves him, but that's because they wanted to see him elected. His qualifications were never made the issue, despite the fact that he had none (other than being Not Bush). If the media gave even a half moment's notice to his speeches, they'd see the same empty and vaucous self-references that suggest that he's actually quite insecure because he has to puff up his own actions based on what others in his own family have achieved (like the great uncle). Throwing in anecdotes is part and parcel of politics, but with Obama, it's a grating experience since it's entirely predictable - even when it shouldn't be. They don't make his speeches memorable for their content, and the only history being made is that he's the President and he gave a speech. That's a significant failing in my book.
That said, taking the opportunity to knock North Korea was a good thing. Too bad his policies are to sit back and do nothing while Iran and North Korea both pursue nuclear weapons.
Have you seen this?
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:13:38am |
re: #436 pingjockey
I have a little story stashed somewhere about the 'PLAN'.
Something like this...In the begining the plan came down and the troops said this is shit! Next level said it stinks, by the time it got back to management the plan was found to be like fertilizer and aid growth. This is how the PLAN became POLICY.
Siegfried Sassoon's "The General":
"Good-morning; good-morning!" the General said
When we met him last week on our way to the line.
Now the soldiers he smiled at are most of ’em dead,
And we’re cursing his staff for incompetent swine.
"He’s a cheery old card," grunted Harry to Jack
As they slogged up to Arras with rifle and pack.But he did for them both by his plan of attack.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:13:39am |
re: #431 nyc redneck
Hmmm. I just went back and sure enough this was what I said in my #343
Oh and for those who may be tempted to say something unpleasant about Mrs. Obama, I did notice that when she and the President were walking to the Memorial stand, he was smiling and waiving, as if on the campaign trail and Michelle pulled his arm and muttered something and he immediately stopped the smiling and waiving - I think she reminded him of where he was and why he was there.
If so, thank you Mrs. Obama.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:14:28am |
I'm still pissed. I didn't see ANY giggling apes!
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:14:45am |
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lawhawk Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:15:07am |
re: #438 capitalist piglet
I saw that yesterday, and it provides a good foundation for the speech generator I had in mind.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:15:08am |
re: #433 Occasional Reader
Well THAT certainly cleared it up for all of us, I'm sure!
:)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:15:11am |
re: #435 realwest
Um, didja read my #343 above?
Seems Mrs. Obama, at least, has learned to stop campaigning.
Not really. For years pols showed up at funerals to "pay their respects" and would walk around all somber shaking everyones hand, kissing cheeks and telling everyone what great guy "Harry" was (even though the only way the pol could tell which one was "Harry" is becuse "Harry" was the only one reclining)
TRANSLATION
"Lots of people in a confined place and I don;'t have to pay for the food after"
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:15:18am |
re: #439 Occasional Reader
That's good, hadn't heard of Sassoon before.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:15:53am |
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:17:09am |
The thing with Obama is that I get the sense that he read different history books than I did, watched different movies, attended alternative math classes - and therefore I distrust most of what comes out of his mouth.
I also got the distinct impression that when he said the reason we talk about D-Day is that victory seemed so improbable, that he himself would not have ordered an invasion against the odds.
Remember the surge wouldn't work.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:17:19am |
re: #441 pingjockey
I'm still pissed. I didn't see ANY giggling apes!
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Spartacus50 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:17:28am |
Speech in the morning, then off to Paris for some shopping!
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:17:42am |
re: #446 pingjockey
That's good, hadn't heard of Sassoon before.
He wrote some excellent World War I poetry, in addition to founding a revolutionary line of hair care products, and being a pioneer in the designer jean industry.
/
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Bloodnok Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:18:28am |
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:18:54am |
re: #449 MandyManners
Who the hell is that? There used to be an orangutan at the San Diego zoo who would really start throwing shit at the visitors when he got bored.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:19:05am |
re: #448 DistantThunder
The thing with Obama is that I get the sense that he read different history books than I did, watched different movies, attended alternative math classes - and therefore I distrust most of what comes out of his mouth.
I also got the distinct impression that when he said the reason we talk about D-Day is that victory seemed so improbable, that he himself would not have ordered an invasion against the odds.
Remember the surge wouldn't work.
I bet he's read a lot of Zinn and Chomsky.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:19:30am |
re: #453 pingjockey
Who the hell is that? There used to be an orangutan at the San Diego zoo who would really start throwing shit at the visitors when he got bored.
Douglas Hooper of CAIR.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:19:39am |
re: #454 MandyManners
Good Morning Mandy! Hope today finds you well
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:20:07am |
re: #456 MandyManners
Ah. Spot on. A shit slinging monkey fer sure!
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:20:21am |
re: #453 pingjockey
Who the hell is that? There used to be an orangutan at the San Diego zoo who would really start throwing shit at the visitors when he got bored.
Hoopster... not our Hoops.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:20:28am |
re: #457 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Mandy! Hope today finds you well
I did my best to hide but, the day found me.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:21:05am |
And now...some silliness
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:21:14am |
re: #406 sattv4u2
I've eaten pig tongue and ear, and even though I've had those, I can't wrap my head aropund eating the feet even though thats way more common
Intestines, not so much!
re: #454 MandyManners
I bet he's read a lot of Zinn and Chomsky.
Michelle wore white to a memorial ceremony. Do you think she does things like this intentionally, kind of a poke in the eye, or is she clueless?
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:21:28am |
re: #448 DistantThunder
I also got the distinct impression that when he said the reason we talk about D-Day is that victory seemed so improbable, that he himself would not have ordered an invasion against the odds.
Remember the surge wouldn't work.
And that's why I don't mind "revisionist" history (like the new Anthony Beevor book about D-Day) that focus on the precarious nature of, and outright disasters contained in, military operations that are now acknowledged as victorious and absolutely necessary. People need to be reminded that we cannot always count on bloodless, costless military operations.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:22:00am |
re: #438 capitalist piglet
Just wonderful - but think also of all the hard labor that went into that! Someone had to actually listen to and probably read transcripts of Obma's speeches to generate that!
Give that man/woman a Cigar!
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:22:29am |
re: #462 pingjockey
Yeah. Hey how's the heat wave over there?
Cooler I think we hit 90° yesterday in spots. Looking at overcast and 58° right now.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:22:31am |
re: #464 Occasional Reader
And that's why I don't mind "revisionist" history (like the new Anthony Beevor book about D-Day) that focus on the precarious nature of, and outright disasters contained in, military operations that are now acknowledged as victorious and absolutely necessary. People need to be reminded that we cannot always count on bloodless, costless military operations.
Agreed, ask Sherman, ask Grant.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:23:06am |
re: #463 DistantThunder
Clueless. Ya don't wear white to such a thing.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:23:22am |
re: #463 DistantThunder
Michelle wore white to a memorial ceremony. Do you think she does things like this intentionally, kind of a poke in the eye, or is she clueless?
clueless. Her and The 0nes staff on things non-political are really really amatuerish (the iPod for a Queen ,,, wrong formated DVD's ,,, white to a memorial service) imho
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:23:31am |
And he made mention of slaves getting their full civil rights through peaceful means. His blind spots are egregeious.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:24:05am |
re: #467 jcm
We are at 65 now and only supposed to go to 80. I don't believe it. Scattered thunderstorms.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:25:02am |
re: #463 DistantThunder
Michelle wore white to a memorial ceremony. Do you think she does things like this intentionally, kind of a poke in the eye, or is she clueless?
Coulda' been worse--she could've worn red.
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:25:41am |
re: #448 DistantThunder
The thing with Obama is that I get the sense that he read different history books than I did, watched different movies, attended alternative math classes - and therefore I distrust most of what comes out of his mouth.
I also got the distinct impression that when he said the reason we talk about D-Day is that victory seemed so improbable, that he himself would not have ordered an invasion against the odds.
Remember the surge wouldn't work.
he lacks a real love and respect for america. his understanding of our country is that it needs to be fixed, changed, redone, remade and reworked, etc.
look how quickly he is moving to distance us from the founding principles of this country.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:25:58am |
re: #471 DistantThunder
And he made mention of slaves getting their full civil rights through peaceful means. His blind spots are egregeious.
What?! You mean slavery wasn't ended in the US through protest marches, folk music benefit concerts and candlelight vigils?!
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:26:11am |
re: #469 pingjockey
Clueless. Ya don't wear white to such a thing.
It's such basic etiquette, like not wearing white to other people's weddings. Maybe people are afraid to tell her "What Not To Wear." For you men, this is the name of a popular British and now American show that secretly tapes poorly unfortunately dressed women who have been nominated by friends and family for a make-over.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:26:18am |
re: #473 MandyManners
Yep. But, I will give her credit, she stuck around and was talking to the vets.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:26:28am |
re: #473 MandyManners
Coulda' been worse--she could've worn red.
I can't believe she wore white....Jeez!
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:26:46am |
re: #473 MandyManners
Coulda' been worse--she could've worn red.
Pulled out the black widow dress again.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:26:58am |
BBL,,, son and his freinds just woke up and I have to get to the kitchen before that swarm of locusts does
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:27:37am |
re: #463 DistantThunder
Michelle wore white to a memorial ceremony. Do you think she does things like this intentionally, kind of a poke in the eye, or is she clueless?
Isn't that the Muslim color of mourning?
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Zimriel Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:27:50am |
Oh my god, our cabinetless Prime Minister just called Omaha Beach at Normandy "Obama Beach".
From Isaac Newton to this.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:28:22am |
re: #482 sattv4u2
You are lucky, I have two teenagers and what they and their buddies do to the fridge and kitchen is more like Jengis Khan and the Mongol horde!
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:28:31am |
re: #465 realwest
Just wonderful - but think also of all the hard labor that went into that! Someone had to actually listen to and probably read transcripts of Obma's speeches to generate that!
Give that man/woman a Cigar!
I think lawhawk's idea of a speech generator is great. (I can't remember who made the comment, but it would be a good topic for Mad-Libs, too.) But that's the problem - you'd have to spend a bunch of time listening to him talk about himself, and his remarkable life story, and how he single-handedly outlawed "torture". And then there was the bit about how he hoped that his election would have elevated America's standing in the world.
I'm not sure how anyone inclined to take on such a project would be able to do it without "delivering street pizza", as they say.
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Hengineer Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:28:39am |
Yay pulling in late this afternoon.
gonna get rid of these so-called "weekend watchers" finally. You know, reservists whose sole goal is to help man oilers.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:28:52am |
re: #479 HoosierHoops
I can't believe she wore white....Jeez!
Maybe she figured she's be the only one to wear white, and the center of attention. I wonder how the WaPo style section will spin her "intelligent" choice.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:29:31am |
re: #475 nyc redneck
he lacks a real love and respect for america. his understanding of our country is that it needs to be fixed, changed, redone, remade and reworked, etc.
look how quickly he is moving to distance us from the founding principles of this country.
And, the Constitution is flawed.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:29:43am |
re: #484 Zimriel
Oh my god, our cabinetless Prime Minister just called Omaha Beach at Normandy "Obama Beach".
From Isaac Newton to this.
Isaac Newton was Prime Minister?
/
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:29:54am |
re: #487 Hengineer
Now, now, reservists are people too. Or so I was told once uopn a time!
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:30:09am |
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:30:39am |
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:31:11am |
re: #488 DistantThunder
Maybe she figured she's be the only one to wear white, and the center of attention. I wonder how the WaPo style section will spin her "intelligent" choice.
I think the phrase they're using now is "impossibly elegant".
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:31:24am |
re: #489 MandyManners
And, the Constitution is flawed.
And the found fathers were racists, and Christians! How dare they be. Some Jewish writer asked whether the people who now occupy iroquois land should be dictating about others 'occupation.'
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:31:28am |
re: #492 MandyManners
She(mabelle) has a long way to go to beat Condis' Black skirt and come fuck me boots outfit!
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:31:31am |
She was wearing white in honor of Tetris, silly.
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Zimriel Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:31:33am |
re: #469 pingjockey
Clueless. Ya don't wear white to such a thing.
I think in China, one might... white is the colour of death. (Over there, red is the lucky colour.)
Mind you, she's not in Nanjing.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:32:09am |
re: #479 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, give the First Lady a break! Of course she wore white, it's summer isn't it?!?
/
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:32:10am |
re: #448 DistantThunder
The thing with Obama is that I get the sense that he read different history books than I did, watched different movies, attended alternative math classes - and therefore I distrust most of what comes out of his mouth.
How about the "moral clarity with which we fought the war".
Back then, we weren't afraid to insult and belittle our opponents. Or even name them.
And of course, the truth of the matter is that our entry into the war was heavily dependent on the fact that Hitler had attacked Stalin. That's a rather murky moral point, methinks.
Gaack.
Within the limits of his ignorance and leftard education, however, I'm seeing in Obama some degree of - earnestness - that I feared would not be there. Hope it works out, for him, for us.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:33:02am |
re: #484 Zimriel
Oh my god, our cabinetless Prime Minister just called Omaha Beach at Normandy "Obama Beach".
From Isaac Newton to this.
Zimriel -
See you caught that too. The PM will probably be retired in the next fortnight anyway - so no biggie.
-S-
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:33:51am |
re: #500 itellu3times
Hitler attacked Stalin? I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:34:02am |
for such a solemn important occasion, she should have worn a dark color.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:00am |
re: #499 realwest
Hey Hoops, give the First Lady a break! Of course she wore white, it's summer isn't it?!?
/
Wake Island story is on the History Channel..
The old guy they are talking to is wearing a Mare Island Cap..
My man!
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:05am |
re: #495 DistantThunder
Yeah but did he talk about the imperialism of the Iroquois when THEY stole, took, uh, resettled the original owners of the Iroquois lands? Huh?!
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:07am |
re: #500 itellu3times
How about the "moral clarity with which we fought the war".
Back then, we weren't afraid to insult and belittle our opponents. Or even name them.
And of course, the truth of the matter is that our entry into the war was heavily dependent on the fact that Hitler had attacked Stalin. That's a rather murky moral point, methinks.
Gaack.
Within the limits of his ignorance and leftard education, however, I'm seeing in Obama some degree of - earnestness - that I feared would not be there. Hope it works out, for him, for us.
And notice how he mentions evil people and not evil oppressive governments.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:13am |
Did the white make her look bigger than a barn?
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:15am |
Probably already posted, but this is the short D-Day video Ed Morrisey put up on HotAir this morning...it's quite moving:
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:16am |
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Hengineer Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:22am |
re: #491 pingjockey
Now, now, reservists are people too. Or so I was told once uopn a time!
Its not that, its that it makes no sense for them to supplement out crew. We're completely crewed by civilians making civilian wages. I'm surprised the Unions that supposedly bargain for us (SIU for unlicensed, MEBA for licensed engineers, MMP for licensed mates) aren't raising a stink about it.
They should be used to supplement Navy billets, not civilian billets. All they do is slow us down (they're actually out there on the UNREP teams working the winches, etc...). Normally we run with a Navy complement of 2-4. One Navy Chief, then 1-3 enlisted OS's (Operations Specialists), just to be phone talkers.
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Zimriel Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:27am |
re: #464 Occasional Reader
And that's why I don't mind "revisionist" history (like the new Anthony Beevor book about D-Day) that focus on the precarious nature of, and outright disasters contained in, military operations that are now acknowledged as victorious and absolutely necessary. People need to be reminded that we cannot always count on bloodless, costless military operations.
Pretty much. No matter how good your plans are, you've got to rely on people and lines of communication to get them to work. And the enemy won't be following your plans either. (They don't teach this at Revisionist U, apparently.)
Foul ups will happen. Battles are won when the other guy fouls it up worse.
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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:35:37am |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:36:17am |
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:36:17am |
Amazing what a little food will do for ya -
But anyway, did the Queen attend? She's the only world leader who (literally) had a hand in the fight.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:36:47am |
re: #512 Lincolntf
I'm watching it too.
Morning all.
I worked 20 years at Mare Island...I am very proud of our Marines and Sailors
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:36:47am |
re: #502 pingjockey
Hitler attacked Stalin? I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
"Germans?"
"Be quiet, he's rollin'."
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:36:49am |
re: #503 nyc redneck
for such a solemn important occasion, she should have worn a dark color.
EVERYONE knows that. She is a stateswoman with a protocol office. I suspect that this was deliberate.
People also underestimate the manners differences in people of different social classes.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:37:07am |
re: #502 pingjockey
Hey, the Germans were good at multi-tasking! They not only started war with the USSR, and bombed Pearl Harbor, they also damn near killed most of the Jews in Europe.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:37:10am |
Of course it's Obama Beach. After all, this was part of Operation Overlord.
TEA PARTY!
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:37:28am |
Howdy folks.
A drive-by and I'm away again.
Interesting week. Got the spa fixed, cost of the part used less than $2, cost of aggravation considerably more.
Central heat pump expired. Compressor dead as a what-ever-your-figure-of-speach-may-be and, since it's an 18 year old system we might as well replace the whole system to the tune of $6K. So I've been looking for someone to finance the new system so I don't have to turn loose of cash. Got that done and I must say that it isn't as easy as it used to be. Might have been easier if I could show some income, but nonetheless I got it done.
Wife-woman's on the phone with Daughter. This week's line-up at the Saturday morning meeting was Michael Jordan, Trace Adkins, Ben Stiller, Smokey Robinson, Miley Cyrus, and some people she didn't know.
Beautiful weather this week in NW Arkansas. Daytime highs in the low 70s, nightime temps in the 50s. I that would hold I'd never replace the central air.
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Hengineer Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:37:46am |
re: #509 itellu3times
That too.
Hitler only attacked Stalin once he reached the Atlantic Ocean/Channel between British Isles and France. He was so expansionist he decided to renege on the "nonaggression" pact which he signed with Stalin....tell Poland how "non aggressive" it was....
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:38:45am |
re: #507 MandyManners
Did the white make her look bigger than a barn?
From behind especially. And I noticed that her bare calves seemed almost twice the size of the woman walking next to her. I have to hand it to Barak. Most men are not attracted to this type of large boned, hulking type of woman.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:38:52am |
re: #510 Hengineer
The only thing I can figure is with the fleet being whacked there are no reserve FFs/DDs for them to go and do training on. I was in Rhode Island in the mid 80s and they had two reserve FFs and one DD for the reservists to do their 2 weeks on. I have seen that the navy has been using the Spruance class DDs for target practice instead of making some of them reserve components. Must be the damn budget.
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:39:06am |
re: #513 Killian Bundy
Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas: Obama Is "Sort Of God"
/barf!
Cute.
But y'know, I think Obama is slowly learning to be an American. OK, a pretentious pseudo-intellectual American, but even so.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:39:27am |
re: #513 Killian Bundy
Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas: Obama Is "Sort Of God"
/barf!
I thought they were trying to increase subscriptions.
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:39:40am |
re: #521 Hengineer
Hitler only attacked Stalin once he reached the Atlantic Ocean/Channel between British Isles and France. He was so expansionist he decided to renege on the "nonaggression" pact which he signed with Stalin....tell Poland how "non aggressive" it was....
Operation Sealion might have had the resources to succeed if Hilter hadn't opened up the Eastern Front.
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Zimriel Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:39:55am |
re: #513 Killian Bundy
Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas: Obama Is "Sort Of God"
/barf!
I saw that. I'm surprised he could even talk with his mouth full.
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Creeping Eruption Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:40:15am |
After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that in the internet age, coming in to the office on the weekend does not guarantee I will get any more work done than during the week. On the weekend, there are just fewer distractions I can engage in aid of my procrastination.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:40:16am |
re: #513 Killian Bundy
Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas: Obama Is "Sort Of God"
/barf!
Wow.
Just. Wow.
And note how eager he is for the President of the United States to abandon "parochial" interests, to wit... the United States.
Liberal self-parody on full display.
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jcm Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:40:27am |
re: #513 Killian Bundy
Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas: Obama Is "Sort Of God"
/barf!
We know that dude swallows......
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:40:39am |
re: #522 DistantThunder
From behind especially. And I noticed that her bare calves seemed almost twice the size of the woman walking next to her. I have to hand it to Barak. Most men are not attracted to this type of large boned, hulking type of woman.
From an evolutionary stand-point, big hipped women should seem more attractive than lil' ol' me with my 6P body.
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:40:57am |
re: #527 Zimriel
I saw that. I'm surprised he could even talk with his mouth full.
SteveC considers asking "What is his mouth full of?", thinks better of it.
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:41:11am |
re: #517 DistantThunder
EVERYONE knows that. She is a stateswoman with a protocol office. I suspect that this was deliberate.
People also underestimate the manners differences in people of different social classes.
it is not surprising. it is in keeping w/ her character.
they are both good at being disrespectful. in obvious and subtle ways.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:41:12am |
re: #514 SteveC
Nope. Prince Charles was there. My better half is from Wales and she doesn't think Charles will ever sit on the throne. She thinks William will.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:41:19am |
As the far right is poised to make gains in Europe.....
Revisionists challenge D-Day story
A revisionist theme seems to have settled on this year's 65th anniversary commemoration of the Normandy landings.
...
And far from being universally welcomed as liberators, many troops had a distinctly surly reception from the people of Normandy.The reason for this was simple. Many Normandy towns and villages had been literally obliterated by Allied bombing.
....
According to American historian J Robert Lilly, there were around 3,500 rapes by American servicemen in France between June 1944 and the end of the war."The evidence shows that sexual violence against women in liberated France was common," writes Mr Hitchcock.
"It also shows that black soldiers convicted of such awful acts received very severe punishments, while white soldiers received lighter sentences."
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alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:41:35am |
re: #522 DistantThunder
From behind especially. And I noticed that her bare calves seemed almost twice the size of the woman walking next to her. I have to hand it to Barak. Most men are not attracted to this type of large boned, hulking type of woman.
* * * *
Well, if Prince Charles hadn't been such an indecisive adulterous idiot lusting after horsy women himself, Lady Dianna would have been alive & well greeting the D-Day Veterans this day.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:41:51am |
re: #524 itellu3times
Cute.
But y'know, I think Obama is slowly learning to be an American. OK, a pretentious pseudo-intellectual American, but even so.
I agree that he seems to be coming to some realizations, ideas and facts that he's never allowed himself to absorb before. He seems to have increased respect for some individuals in the military. But he still tried to pawn off the war injured on private insurance. That still galls me.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:42:38am |
re: #522 DistantThunder
I have to hand it to Barak. Most men are not attracted to this type of large boned, hulking type of woman.
Now that's what we call "damning with faint praise"!
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:42:41am |
re: #527 Zimriel
I saw that. I'm surprised he could even talk with his mouth full.
Yah. I'm surprised he can talk with his head empty.
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SteveC Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:42:58am |
re: #535 pingjockey
Nope. Prince Charles was there. My better half is from Wales and she doesn't think Charles will ever sit on the throne. She thinks William will.
Charles sits on the throne every day! It's just not the throne in the Main Reception Room....
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:43:41am |
re: #544 SteveC
Heh. She has absolutely no use for that man.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:43:49am |
re: #379 lawhawk
Obama's speechwriters must have a bunch of stock phrases that they have to work into various speeches, regardless of whether the speech calls for it or not. I'm surprised someone hasn't put together a website so as to create a random speech generator - using all of his stock phrases.
"How does Obama keep up his hot streak of speeches? The Daily Beast analyzed his most famous speeches to crack the code behind the president's rhetoric. Our step-by-step guide for turning even the most divisive debates into an inspiring call for unity.
President Obama has faced his share of tough issues and audiences over the years, but at every turn he's managed to defuse tension with a well-timed speech. Already he's receiving rave reviews for this morning's address in Cairo, Egypt, on America's relationship with the Muslim world. But how does he do it? We analyzed Obama's most famous speeches to bring you this handy instruction manual."
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:44:33am |
re: #511 Zimriel
I served with a Major once who said "All of your battle plans tend to get thrown out the window when the first rounds are fired."
I still think that's something of an exaggeration, but not by much!
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:44:39am |
re: #537 alegrias
* * * *
Well, if Prince Charles hadn't been such an indecisive adulterous idiot lusting after horsy women himself, Lady Dianna would have been alive & well greeting the D-Day Veterans this day.
The picture of Prince Charles next to the President made me think of "Pantywaist" - for some reason. Word just popped into my mind.
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:44:58am |
re: #539 DistantThunder
I agree that he seems to be coming to some realizations, ideas and facts that he's never allowed himself to absorb before. He seems to have increased respect for some individuals in the military. But he still tried to pawn off the war injured on private insurance. That still galls me.
I'm still not clear on that, I think one element at least was he was trying to suggest that the government support the use of private enterprise to address the issues, which might even be OK, presumably the government would still reimburse.
| 551 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:45:30am |
re: #548 realwest
I served with a Major once who said "All of your battle plans tend to get thrown out the window when the first rounds are fired."
I still think that's something of an exaggeration, but not by much!
I've heard it expressed as "no battle plan survives initial contact with the enemy."
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alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:46:20am |
re: #525 DistantThunder
I thought they were trying to increase subscriptions.
* * * *
Last night on PBS' Washington-based weekly roundup from the WETA public tv DC studio, Newsweek's Evan Thomas, WashPost's Colbert King and NPR's Nina Totenberg ganged up on Charles Krauthammer & Israel in the most anti-semitic, disrespectful display I've seen ever. Black WashPost Editorial page writer Colbert King kept taunting Krauthammer by saying "Peace Be Upon You" and crowing that Obama's speech to the "Mussslim World" wasn't written by Benjamin Netanyahu", another sarcastic crack.
Gross gross gross.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:47:19am |
BNP wins its first seat on an English county council
The BNP's victory in the ward, with 30% of the vote, buoyed local activists' hopes of getting the party's leader, Nick Griffin, elected as an MEP on Sunday night. He needs around 8% of the vote to take a north-west seat, against the 6.4% he polled in 2004.
UKIP (another highly questionable party) also made big gains.
| 555 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:47:25am |
re: #553 alegrias
* * * *
Last night on PBS' Washington-based weekly roundup from the WETA public tv DC studio, Newsweek's Evan Thomas, WashPost's Colbert King and NPR's Nina Totenberg ganged up on Charles Krauthammer & Israel in the most anti-semitic, disrespectful display I've seen ever. Black WashPost Editorial page writer Colbert King kept taunting Krauthammer by saying "Peace Be Upon You" and crowing that Obama's speech to the "Mussslim World" wasn't written by Benjamin Netanyahu", another sarcastic crack.Gross gross gross.
I'm so glad I missed it, but so alarmed to hear about it.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:47:30am |
re: #548 realwest
"No battle plan survives contact with the enemy". Clausewitz, IIRC. And "In war everything is very simple. The simplest things are very difficult".
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:47:32am |
re: #541 Occasional Reader
Now that's what we call "damning with faint praise"!
I would like to be a fly on the wall of the annual orthodontist convention and hear what they say about Michelle's underbite. Can it be fixed? Is she the poster woman for universal orthodontia? I'm just hungry for the truth, instead of the 1984 spin.
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itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:48:00am |
re: #548 realwest
I served with a Major once who said "All of your battle plans tend to get thrown out the window when the first rounds are fired."
I still think that's something of an exaggeration, but not by much!
"No battle plan survives contact with the enemy."
A bit pessimistic, perhaps!
| 559 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:48:39am |
It looks like Supreme Fubar & Co. were unimpressed with Obama's speechifying - Talking All That Jazz
Wa-alaikum-Assalam, President Barack Hussein Obama.
Following WWII the Nazi leaders accused of mass murder and aggression were put on trial at Nuremburg and were either executed or were imprisoned for life.
Numerous speeches by “free” German presidents following WWII have failed to stop the constant bombardment of the world with propaganda movies against the Nazi party –which have been also designed to shame modern Germans into a corner.
The Allies having made unbelievable profits out of German engineering design, medical advances, space research and aeronautics, not to speak of financial strategies and social development plans are still at it through their cheap mouthpieces to fool the world into believing that such technological excellence belongs to their elite and came from them.
The contributions to humanity of an entire nation that included almost everything we know about quantum physics have been dismissed by one word: Nazi!
It is foolhardy for a US President to come to our region in the false belief that his collection of words alone –no matter how eloquent- can take the place of firm action against those of his countrymen whose genocidal, extremist, prejudiced and biased ideologies have blighted and in most cases annihilated entire world communities.
[...]
Your words Mr Obama are all good and well; but we feel we must remind you that this so-called new beginning for the world following the Second World War came after a purge of international criminals.
The most recent crimes committed by the racist-Zionist association in the Middle East, has led to one million Iraqi deaths alone. In Palestine children are bombed to shreds and burned alive by phosphorus munitions.....
Somehow I get the feeling those fists are clenched tighter.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #550 itellu3times
I'm still not clear on that, I think one element at least was he was trying to suggest that the government support the use of private enterprise to address the issues, which might even be OK, presumably the government would still reimburse.
The vets groups said that it would impede hiring of wounded vets by private corporations as it would cost more for medical coverage just to cover the new layer of bureaucracy of getting reimbursements from the government.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:50:03am |
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:50:36am |
re: #553 alegrias
* * * *
Last night on PBS' Washington-based weekly roundup from the WETA public tv DC studio, Newsweek's Evan Thomas, WashPost's Colbert King and NPR's Nina Totenberg ganged up on Charles Krauthammer & Israel in the most anti-semitic, disrespectful display I've seen ever. Black WashPost Editorial page writer Colbert King kept taunting Krauthammer by saying "Peace Be Upon You" and crowing that Obama's speech to the "Mussslim World" wasn't written by Benjamin Netanyahu", another sarcastic crack.Gross gross gross.
wow, the way you described it, they were like jackals circling, smelling blood.
assholes.
i pray israel is facing this harsh reality. the scavengers are getting emboldened.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:50:48am |
I'll just mention, since the wife-woman don't read this anymore, that a big woman has a lot of advantages.
She won't get all broke-down pulling the plow. You don't have to worry about 'enjoying her charms' with too much vigor. And finally, she can reach that tall shelf that you put the whisky on to keep it out of the chillen's reach.
| 567 |
itellu3times Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:52:12am |
re: #560 DistantThunder
The vets groups said that it would impede hiring of wounded vets by private corporations as it would cost more for medical coverage just to cover the new layer of bureaucracy of getting reimbursements from the government.
If that's what he meant, it was as idiotic as it seems.
Even if he meant something else, it's apparently a major politial screwup to present it so it could be so misunderstood.
Apparently his next domestic initiative is health care. We shall see.
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realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:52:57am |
re: #536 Killgore Trout
And far from being universally welcomed as liberators, many troops had a distinctly surly reception from the people of Normandy.
The reason for this was simple. Many Normandy towns and villages had been literally obliterated by Allied bombing.
Yes indeed, so much so that they tend the allied cemeteries around the towns in Normandy to this very day. Indeed, they showed such surliness that those are - outside of Arlington National Cemetery, the most well kept of them all.
He's an asshole.
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alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:52:58am |
re: #549 DistantThunder
The picture of Prince Charles next to the President made me think of "Pantywaist" - for some reason. Word just popped into my mind.
* * *
In his defense, Prince Charles attended Sandhurst Military academy, trained as a military man, and can ride & play polo, which is hard to do. Pres. Obama can shoot baskets.
Charles' son Harry, who visited the US last week to commemorate the nearly 70 Britons killed on September 11, 2001, WANTED to STAY in Afghanistan, fighting with British troops against the Taliban & Al Qaeda.
I'd say these Brits have always been proud of their country.
| 570 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:53:13am |
re: #566 razorbacker
I'll just mention, since the wife-woman don't read this anymore, that a big woman has a lot of advantages.
She won't get all broke-down pulling the plow. You don't have to worry about 'enjoying her charms' with too much vigor. And finally, she can reach that tall shelf that you put the whisky on to keep it out of the chillen's reach.
LOL- touche. Not to mention that if someone breaks-in she can sit on them. I don't like women who are one word away from angry. Everyone has to walk on eggshells around them. I like the Laura Bush type: cerebral, kind, sweet, warm. - and I'm a woman. But those are the type of friends I have.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:53:33am |
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:53:59am |
Seattle/Tacoma area Lizards, Major General (Res.) Yitzhak Gershon, National Director of Friends of Israeli Defense Forces, is speaking at Cedar Park Church in Bothell tomorrow night at 6:00. Admission is free, and the invitation is extended to those "who love Israel".
Here's a link to the info for those interested:
[Link: www.cedarpark.org...]
| 573 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:54:12am |
re: #536 Killgore Trout
Oh, and according to Yma,(somewhere up above) the BP is poised to capture TWO seats - out of some 2,000.
| 574 |
pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:54:18am |
re: #569 alegrias
Yep. Prince Andrew flew helicopters during the Falklands War.
| 575 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:54:56am |
re: #569 alegrias
* * *
In his defense, Prince Charles attended Sandhurst Military academy, trained as a military man, and can ride & play polo, which is hard to do. Pres. Obama can shoot baskets.Charles' son Harry, who visited the US last week to commemorate the nearly 70 Britons killed on September 11, 2001, WANTED to STAY in Afghanistan, fighting with British troops against the Taliban & Al Qaeda.
I'd say these Brits have always been proud of their country.
You are right on that. The military tradition is strong in England, although England has fallen into a progressive abyss. They prosecute people defending their homes, and yet the solve rate on crimes is very very low.
| 576 |
pingjockey Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:55:31am |
re: #572 capitalist piglet
Y'all go for me! I'm on the other side of the Cascades!
| 577 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:55:37am |
re: #565 nyc redneck
wow, the way you described it, they were like jackals circling, smelling blood.
assholes.
i pray israel is facing this harsh reality. the scavengers are getting emboldened.
They don't even try to hide it anymore...and they're not the slightest bit ashamed. Ugh.
| 578 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:56:20am |
| 579 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:56:25am |
re: #551 Occasional Reader
I've heard it expressed as "no battle plan survives initial contact with the enemy."
Or that.
| 580 |
alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:56:29am |
re: #566 razorbacker
I'll just mention, since the wife-woman don't read this anymore, that a big woman has a lot of advantages.
She won't get all broke-down pulling the plow. You don't have to worry about 'enjoying her charms' with too much vigor. And finally, she can reach that tall shelf that you put the whisky on to keep it out of the chillen's reach.
* * * *
Bill Clinton, is that you again, you rascal you?
| 582 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:57:38am |
re: #553 alegrias
PBS - the station the Taxpayers help fund?!
Very effin' nice. I don't think.
| 583 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:57:43am |
re: #576 pingjockey
Y'all go for me! I'm on the other side of the Cascades!
I'm going to try to get over there. I imagine they'll tape it and make it available for those who can't come...we'll see.
| 584 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:58:05am |
I great moment in World history never to be forgotten: Pres. Bush standing upon the debris of the WTC, with his arm around a firefighter, stating:
Pres. Bush Speaks at Ground Zero
Genius! and no teleprompter.
| 585 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:58:09am |
re: #573 realwest
I have a pretty limited understand of how their goofy parliamentary system works so I can't make any predictions. I think we'll know sometime this weekend.
| 586 |
MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:58:32am |
| 587 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:58:48am |
re: #556 pingjockey
Well I reckon I need to put you and O.R. in touch with that Major - if he's still alive, that is.
| 588 |
alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:59:15am |
re: #570 DistantThunder
LOL- touche. Not to mention that if someone breaks-in she can sit on them. I don't like women who are one word away from angry. Everyone has to walk on eggshells around them. I like the Laura Bush type: cerebral, kind, sweet, warm. - and I'm a woman. But those are the type of friends I have.
* * * *
Former First Lady Laura Bush will be on Fox News this Monday night, perhaps speaking with Greta Van Susteren, who last night spoke with Liz Cheney, another warm cerebral sweet kind woman--just like her dad Dick the Darth!
| 589 |
rightside Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:59:35am |
I posted this last night, but wanted to show it today. I think this video says quite a bit.
*official handkerchief warning*
God Bless our troops, and their families.
| 590 |
nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:59:49am |
re: #570 DistantThunder
LOL- touche. Not to mention that if someone breaks-in she can sit on them. I don't like women who are one word away from angry. Everyone has to walk on eggshells around them. I like the Laura Bush type: cerebral, kind, sweet, warm. - and I'm a woman. But those are the type of friends I have.
yes, that is the point. ask yourself if you would want such a balled up angry person, as wab for a friend. i would never have a friend like her. you would never hear the end of all the inequities she has endured, all the times she was made to feel like she didn't belong, all the hatefulness directed at her.
she created her own reality. of course no one would want to be around her.
angry demanding people w/ a victim mentality are insufferable.
| 591 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:01:04am |
re: #567 itellu3times
Yep, and the first draft of the new Health Care is being written by..........you guessed it, Ted Kennedy.
| 592 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:01:25am |
Watch that short video of George Bush and notice his very natural instinct at the end to pick of a flag an Wave the American Flag. A Great American Leader.
And no apologies about our imperfections.
| 593 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:03:16am |
This is cool....
Kaguya’s jaw-dropping Moon video
Kaguya is a Japanese spacecraft that has been orbiting the Moon since October 2007. It is equipped with several detectors, but also — brilliantly, in my opinion — two HD cameras. The footage below is not a simulation: it’s real imagery of the Moon! Make sure you click the HD button, or go to the YouTube page to see this in full resolution.
| 594 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:03:52am |
re: #590 nyc redneck
yes, that is the point. ask yourself if you would want such a balled up angry person, as wab for a friend. i would never have a friend like her. you would never hear the end of all the inequities she has endured, all the times she was made to feel like she didn't belong, all the hatefulness directed at her.
she created her own reality. of course no one would want to be around her.
angry demanding people w/ a victim mentality are insufferable.
In a recent article, I think it was Time magazine, it described how she called her White House staff around and introduced them to people she had brought from Chicago including electricians and other service people. She told her staff that their success would be judged on whether they knew the names of her Chicago people, and not the other way around. The way it was phrased was threatening, ominous and rude.
| 595 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:04:41am |
re: #585 Killgore Trout
I can guaranty that my knowledge of their parlimentary form is far more limited than yours!
That's why I referred to Yma's comment somewhere up above (too lazy this morning to search her name!).
| 596 |
nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:04:48am |
re: #584 DistantThunder
I great moment in World history never to be forgotten: Pres. Bush standing upon the debris of the WTC, with his arm around a firefighter, stating:
Pres. Bush Speaks at Ground Zero
[Video]Genius! and no teleprompter.
now i'm wiping tears from my eyes.
pres. bush knew what we were up against.
there was no nuance to his words.
| 597 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:05:02am |
re: #591 realwest
Yep, and the first draft of the new Health Care is being written by..........you guessed it, Ted Kennedy.
They're in a big hurry, too.
| 598 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:05:41am |
A recurrent theme in Obama's life is his involvement with angry people. his grandfather was angry. Rev. Wright, Michelle. It's a clue to his beta-maleness.
| 599 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:06:18am |
re: #580 alegrias
* * * *
Bill Clinton, is that you again, you rascal you?
Ah diud knot have *snicker*, Ah say, Ah diud knot have sayux *chortle*, Ah mean, Ah diud knot have sayux wif that *bawahahahahahahahaha*.
Aw hail. Y'all done caught me agin.
Lemme tell y'all about how sorry them 'Publicans is.
| 600 |
MandyManners Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:07:24am |
Since no one is volunteering to make breakfast for me, I reckon I'll just hafta' do it myself. bbiab
| 601 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:07:44am |
Remember when Michelle said of Hillary, She can't keep her own house in order, how is she going to keep the white house in order, or something to that effect.
That's Jerry Springer stuff right there.
| 602 |
wrenchwench Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:08:03am |
re: #592 DistantThunder
9/14/01, "4,700-plus people missing."
It could so easily have been worse than it was. Do you remember at first they thought maybe 20,000 could have died in the WTC?
| 603 |
alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:08:13am |
re: #582 realwest
PBS - the station the Taxpayers help fund?!
Very effin' nice. I don't think.
* * * * *
The antisemitic jibing leveled at taxpayer expense against Israel & Charles Krauthammer was digusting on last night's June 5 edition of WETA's "Inside Washington" roundtable hosted by Gordon Peterson. (West Virginia Democrat Sen. Rockefeller's wife Sharon is President & CEO of this influential DC affiliate of taxpayer funded Public Broadcasting Network.)
www.WETA.org might have transcripts posted, if they're not ashamed of themselves
feel free to read & protest vocally
| 604 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:08:32am |
re: #598 DistantThunder
A recurrent theme in Obama's life is his involvement with angry people. his grandfather was angry. Rev. Wright, Michelle. It's a clue to his beta-maleness.
Obama has written words to the effect that the Whiteness of his mothers family embarassed him. Notice though that he trotted those relatives out in his sppech today when it was convenient.
| 605 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:08:41am |
re: #71 Tamron
I don't know what might be causing that -- but I use several tools that would alert me to activity like that and I've never seen anything like it on my end. And there's no sign of anything odd in the server access logs - those IPs don't even show up.
I think it's much more likely to be something local to you than any kind of generalized "attack." I would have seen signs of it before.
| 606 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:09:08am |
re: #602 wrenchwench
9/14/01, "4,700-plus people missing."
It could so easily have been worse than it was. Do you remember at first they thought maybe 20,000 could have died in the WTC?
Our friend was the co-pilot on the second plane to the WTC. A day I will never ever forget. I woke up friends on the west coast - and my dad and made everyone turn on the TV.
| 607 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:09:17am |
re: #601 DistantThunder
Remember when Michelle said of Hillary, She can't keep her own house in order, how is she going to keep the white house in order, or something to that effect.
That's Jerry Springer stuff right there.
Did she wag her finger back and forth when she said it?
| 609 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:10:05am |
Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth.
— Sherlock Holmes
Very well, let's try it.
The sheer improbability of this victory is part of what makes D-Day so memorable.
— Obama at Omaha Beach
What's left is that Obama hasn't a blipping clue about the historical facts.
| 610 |
alegrias Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:10:26am |
re: #591 realwest
Yep, and the first draft of the new Health Care is being written by..........you guessed it, Ted Kennedy.
* * *
It was reported NOT A SINGLE Republican is allowed to "craft" this crock of Kennedy Care. No dissent allowed by this post-racial, post-partisan, Pelosi party.
| 611 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:12:37am |
re: #608 Zimriel
Any lizards with us today from Obama, Nebraska? :^)
Pas-de-Calais please.
I'm hungry.
| 612 |
nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:12:56am |
re: #598 DistantThunder
A recurrent theme in Obama's life is his involvement with angry people. his grandfather was angry. Rev. Wright, Michelle. It's a clue to his beta-maleness.
that beta-maleness is noticed by the enemy.
it inspires them and emboldens them.
o's sucking up and apologizing everywhere is applauded for one reason only.
the sheer joy of our enemies observing his weakness and naivety.
| 613 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:13:24am |
I'll see y'all later. Xi called and has left her car lights on and needs to borrow my battery charger.
| 614 |
wrenchwench Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:14:45am |
re: #605 Charles
I don't know what might be causing that
| 615 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:15:06am |
re: #609 pre-Boomer Marine brat
What's left is that Obama hasn't a blipping clue about the historical facts.
He plays fast & loose with the facts. When he was at Cairo University he talked of Jefferson's Koran that Ellison swore in on.
The implication was that Jefferson had great respect for the Koran.
In fact he only had it to read so that he could understand the Jihad that the Ambassador to the Court of St> James from Tripoli spoke of.
| 616 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:16:41am |
re: #615 opnion
He plays fast & loose with the facts. When he was at Cairo University he talked of Jefferson's Koran that Ellison swore in on.
The implication was that Jefferson had great respect for the Koran.
In fact he only had it to read so that he could understand the Jihad that the Ambassador to the Court of St> James from Tripoli spoke of.
IIRC, another word for it is "flim-flam"
| 617 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:17:29am |
re: #609 pre-Boomer Marine brat
What's left is that Obama hasn't a blipping clue about the historical facts.
And he prefaced it with some comment about why do we bother talking about D-Day? It was like he had asked himself the question 100 times. Sigh.
| 618 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:18:00am |
re: #610 alegrias
Well I've read that, especially since Teddy called on ALL employers of any size to offer health care insurance to their employe(es) or face a stiff penalty and a bunch of other crap, WITHOUT offering a single piece of advice as to how to fund this new Health Care proposal, that several heavy hitter Dems - including the one who is Chairman of the Health Care subcommittee or whatever it's called, said Ted's is a draft, draft of a proposal.
It is apparently not going over very well with a lot of Dems.
That being said, the Democratic Party now owns not only the House and Senate (since 2006) but also the White House. Win, lose or draw, this is all on them.
| 619 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:18:25am |
re: #615 opnion
He plays fast & loose with the facts. When he was at Cairo University he talked of Jefferson's Koran that Ellison swore in on.
The implication was that Jefferson had great respect for the Koran.
In fact he only had it to read so that he could understand the Jihad that the Ambassador to the Court of St> James from Tripoli spoke of.
That's like saying that anybody that has read "Mien Kampf" is a nazi supporter.
*>stupid
| 620 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:19:40am |
re: #616 pre-Boomer Marine brat
IIRC, another word for it is "flim-flam"
Yes he seems to torture the facts to make them suit his point of view.
Not water boarding torture though.
| 621 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:21:27am |
Normandy's cliffs, still pocked with gun emplacements and other reminders of the war, including the white headstones of thousands of fallen American troops, provided sure footing for a new U.S. commander in chief ...
— JENNIFER LOVEN, AP White House Correspondent
(who wrote the article linked-to above)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
/ass-kissing idiot !
| 622 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:22:20am |
re: #619 VegasRick
That's like saying that anybody that has read "Mien Kampf" is a nazi supporter.
*>stupid
BHO should know better. It is pretty much common knowledge that Jefferson & Franklin etc were not too fond of Mohammedans, the Barbary Pirates & all.
| 623 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:23:39am |
Hmmm.
51% Rate Obama’s Leadership Skills Good or Excellent
Fifty-one percent (51%) of U.S. voters say President Obama is a good or excellent leader. While still positive, that number is down from 55% last month and is the lowest level found since he took office in January.The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 27% of voters now see him as a poor leader, up three points from May and also the highest percentage of disapproval since his inauguration.
It's still to early to say whether Obama's leadership numbers this month are a statistical blip or the beginning of a trend.
Today’s results in the Daily Presidential Tracking poll show the president receiving the highest level of strong disapproval and the lowest overall rating recorded since he took office.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
| 624 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:23:56am |
re: #622 opnion
BHO should know better. It is pretty much common knowledge that Jefferson & Franklin etc were not too fond of Mohammedans, the Barbary Pirates & all.
BHO makes good pretzels.
| 625 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:24:40am |
I wonder if he's writing condolence letters to the families of the soldiers killed this week. Does he dare meet with the families like Pres. Bush did? I think not.
I believe it was dennis prager that said at the core of most leftists is physical cowardice. That cowardice guides and shapes their political philosophy. They will consistently back down from anything but a political fight.
| 626 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:25:07am |
re: #620 opnion
Yes he seems to torture the facts to make them suit his point of view.
Not water boarding torture though.
I suspect (without any proof) that he does it automatically.
His mental filters tell him what he wants to hear.
We all do it, to one extent or another.
In his case, it's probably more severe than the average.
| 627 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:25:16am |
| 628 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:26:39am |
re: #626 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I suspect (without any proof) that he does it automatically.
His mental filters tell him what he wants to hear.
We all do it, to one extent or another.
In his case, it's probably more severe than the average.
I agree with that, we are all guilty from time to time, but Obama does seem to take it to another level.
| 629 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:26:48am |
re: #625 DistantThunder
I wonder if he's writing condolence letters to the families of the soldiers killed this week.
Depends on which sides soldiers you are referring to.
| 630 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:27:00am |
re: #625 DistantThunder
Well I don't know if it was Prager or not, but I somehow thinks that overstates things a bit much.
Now if you limited it to the Leftist Elites it might be more accurate.
But I served with a few "Leftists" in Vietnam and they were hardly cowards, by anyone's definition.
| 631 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:27:21am |
President Obama would you have been willing to waterboard a captured Nazi leader if it would have saved the lives of man of the men in these graves?
No.
| 633 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:28:13am |
re: #631 DistantThunder
President Obama would you have been willing to waterboard a captured Nazi leader if it would have saved the lives of many of the men in these graves?
No.
| 634 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:28:54am |
re: #631 DistantThunder
President Obama would you have been willing to waterboard a captured Nazi leader if it would have saved the lives of man of the men in these graves?
No.
How about his own children? Michelle? Someone really should ask him.
| 635 |
lobo91 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:31:38am |
re: #622 opnion
BHO should know better. It is pretty much common knowledge that Jefferson & Franklin etc were not too fond of Mohammedans, the Barbary Pirates & all.
"Common knowledge" among those who read history.
Obama doesn't read history. He makes it.
////////////
| 636 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:31:43am |
Daughter's STudy guide for her history final includes the term: Nixon's southern strategy. I thought that this was a liberal term.
| 637 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:32:18am |
re: #632 Ateam
and
re: #633 DistantThunder
I think I've been pretty clear out here about my dislike and disdain for Obama - not just because of his distressing approval of governmental socialist policies (see, e.g., Chrysler and GM) but because I don't percieve him as being someone who LOVES my country or even respects it all that much. But I do think those two comments were a litle bit out of bounds. Sorry.
| 638 |
Hengineer Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:33:44am |
Just went to [Link: www.whitehouse.org...]
Just as I suspected, they only cared about bashing Bush. Instead of changing their website to mock ANYBODY in the Whitehouse, they only mocked Bush, then completely archived their old website.
| 639 |
lobo91 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:34:25am |
re: #636 DistantThunder
Daughter's STudy guide for her history final includes the term: Nixon's southern strategy. I thought that this was a liberal term.
It is.
| 641 |
Hengineer Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:36:43am |
re: #636 DistantThunder
Daughter's STudy guide for her history final includes the term: Nixon's southern strategy. I thought that this was a liberal term.
A little different then Clinton's "Southern" strategy...
/boom-tish!
| 642 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:36:51am |
re: #638 Hengineer
WTF? That site must be run by Moveon.org - too slick and sophisticated for Huffpoo, Daily Kos, or DU.
| 643 |
DistantThunder Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:38:08am |
re: #637 realwest
and
re: #633 DistantThunderI think I've been pretty clear out here about my dislike and disdain for Obama - not just because of his distressing approval of governmental socialist policies (see, e.g., Chrysler and GM) but because I don't percieve him as being someone who LOVES my country or even respects it all that much. But I do think those two comments were a litle bit out of bounds. Sorry.
Death is real and waterboarding produced information that prevented the murder of innocents, a both military and non-military. It's a question that would highlight his moral hypocrisy, because he is continuing the policy of rendition. He's allowing the Egyptians and others to actually torture on our behalf - and imagine - no halal meals!
| 644 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:38:21am |
re: #640 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - no problem, I kinda figured it out right after I hit "post"! LOL!
And if they were the same HTH they taught us, he was right.
| 645 |
nyc redneck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:38:39am |
re: #622 opnion
BHO should know better. It is pretty much common knowledge that Jefferson & Franklin etc were not too fond of Mohammedans, the Barbary Pirates & all.
this is one reason his approval ratings are going down.
people don't like to be lied to.
nor do they appreciate o spinning the truth to make himself look good or make his point of view believable.
a confident leader doesn't behave this way.
a con artist does.
| 646 |
Hengineer Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:38:40am |
re: #615 opnion
He plays fast & loose with the facts. When he was at Cairo University he talked of Jefferson's Koran that Ellison swore in on.
The implication was that Jefferson had great respect for the Koran.
In fact he only had it to read so that he could understand the Jihad that the Ambassador to the Court of St> James from Tripoli spoke of.
The very same one who said that they had the right to capture any shipping they wished because we were all infidels.
| 647 |
realwest Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:40:17am |
re: #643 DistantThunder
"It's a question that would highlight his moral hypocrisy" - ah, ok, I musta misread it then.
| 648 |
JustMyView Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:47:00am |
re: #594 DistantThunder
In a recent article, I think it was Time magazine, it described how she called her White House staff around and introduced them to people she had brought from Chicago including electricians and other service people. She told her staff that their success would be judged on whether they knew the names of her Chicago people, and not the other way around. The way it was phrased was threatening, ominous and rude.
This is completely inaccurate. The story was that she told her professional staff that they would be judged by whether they learned the names of the people who routinely work in the White House as maids, butlers, kitchen staff and other service personnel. You can look it up.
| 649 |
Former Belgian Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:47:17am |
re: #396 Occasional Reader
Good morning (or, whatever, depending on where you are, Dear Reader.)
So I assume that some have already noticed how Google has chosen to honor the 65th anniversary of D-Day with a special logo... um, honoring the 25th anniversary of the silly "Tetris" video game?
I've tried to avoid jumping on the Google-bashing bandwagon over the years; but this example really does seem egregious.
As I already pointed out in the spinoff links, none of the other search engines (not evenDogpile) was honoring it when I checked. Unspeakably sad.
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE
La libertad no es gratis
Vrijheid is niet gratis
La liberté n'est pas gratuite
Freiheit ist nicht Frei
החירות אינה חינם
JUNE 6, 1944
LEST WE FORGET
FOREVER IN DEBT
| 650 |
Former Belgian Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:52:28am |
re: #619 VegasRick
That's like saying that anybody that has read "Mien Kampf" is a nazi supporter.
*>stupid
I tried to read the German original ("know thy enemy" and all that) while in high school. It's unreadable. Not only was the author a psychopath mass murderer but he couldn't write, in German or any other language.
People who think you have to approve of everything you read would probably suffer brain damage seeing the "know thy enemy" section of my library.
| 651 |
JustMyView Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:52:41am |
re: #479 HoosierHoops
I can't believe she wore white....Jeez!
You all know that Carla Bruni Sarkozy also wore white, right?
| 652 |
opnion Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:54:00am |
re: #646 Hengineer
The very same one who said that they had the right to capture any shipping they wished because we were all infidels.
It was the first time that Jefferson & Franklin had heard the reference to Jihad as a reason for interferring with our shipping & taking hostages.
Jefferson got a Koran to better undedrstand the enemy.
Obama is being really disingenuous here.
| 653 |
JustMyView Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:58:34am |
re: #590 nyc redneck
yes, that is the point. ask yourself if you would want such a balled up angry person, as wab for a friend. i would never have a friend like her. you would never hear the end of all the inequities she has endured, all the times she was made to feel like she didn't belong, all the hatefulness directed at her.
she created her own reality. of course no one would want to be around her.
angry demanding people w/ a victim mentality are insufferable.
You can get a sense of just how angry she is and how little she appreciates what she has in this video. This is material from the Brian Williams interviews that didn't appear in the TV show. Watch all the way to the end.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jun 6, 2009 9:59:46am |
re: #538 pingjockey
Hurl, gag, puke, etc...
seconded. Considering who Evan Thomas' grandfather was, I'd say that in terms of worshiping false g-ds the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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JustMyView Sat, Jun 6, 2009 10:03:41am |
re: #636 DistantThunder
Daughter's STudy guide for her history final includes the term: Nixon's southern strategy. I thought that this was a liberal term.
No, it was Nixon, working w/ Kevin Phillips, who developed this strategy to turn the formerly Democratic South Republican
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Former Belgian Sat, Jun 6, 2009 10:05:47am |
re: #638 Hengineer
Just went to [Link: www.whitehouse.org...]
Just as I suspected, they only cared about bashing Bush. Instead of changing their website to mock ANYBODY in the Whitehouse, they only mocked Bush, then completely archived their old website.
There used to be a pr0n site called whitehouse.com , "inspired" by the predecessor of Bush 43 ;-)
/How do I know this? From all sorts of not terribly net-savvy people in my family and organization who thought any website address had to end in ".com" ;-)
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A.W. Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:06:38pm |
I think this qualifies as the delusional quote of the day:
"That doesn’t mean that I’m suffering from Stockholm syndrome.”
So says Joanie de Rijke, a dutch journalist who said that the taliban members who abducted and raped her, showed her respect.
[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]
Read the whole thing. it is a mind blower.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:33:42pm |
re: #638 Hengineer
Just went to [Link: www.whitehouse.org...]
Just as I suspected, they only cared about bashing Bush. Instead of changing their website to mock ANYBODY in the Whitehouse, they only mocked Bush, then completely archived their old website.
Yes, I saw that a while ago. I'm not surprised because although I found it very funny, I was pretty sure it was set up by someone who hated Bush in particular, rather than being an equal-opportunity satirist. There was just a certain tone to it.
Which is too bad. I was hoping they'd archive the old site and do the same thing for Obama.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:37:07pm |
re: #642 realwest
I think it's an independent effort--it has a lot of content on it but it was added to sporadically and would go long periods without updating at all. I don't think it was updated at all between sept2007 and jan 2009, for example.
(I mean independent as in, not moveon-- )
But I don't know. I can't remember how I stumbled over it.
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