The Obligatory iPhone 4 Review

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Since all bloggers are required by law to post about it when they acquire some cool new technoid gadget, today my iPhone 4 was delivered unto me — and yes, it really is a big improvement. I’m glad I skipped the 3GS model and waited for this one.

First thing that leaped out at me: lots and lots of pixels. 614,400 of them, to be precise (960x640). The iPhone 4 screen is very noticeably sharper; when you’re reading text, you can’t see any “jaggies.” It makes reading even the smallest text much easier on the eyes, and looks a lot like printed material. The increased pixel density really improves the look of videos too; I’ve been watching episodes of “The Closer” on my older 3G, and the difference is immediately noticeable on the iPhone 4. Details are much sharper and colors are more vivid.

And the processor seems about three times faster than the 3G’s. Everything you do takes less time; launching apps, starting videos, getting mail, loading web pages. The whole system feels much more nimble and responsive.

The 5 megapixel camera is actually good enough to do real photography, and can also be used as a high def video camera — and the camera app even includes simple but effective video editing tools. And there’s a second (lower resolution) camera on the face, enabling the video calling feature Apple named “FaceTime.”

All this is wrapped up in a beautiful design that’s actually thinner than the earlier models, and has a much longer lasting battery.

The new iPhone is a significant improvement, and I’m having lots of fun exploring its capabilities. You’ve probably heard about the antenna problem, in which phone reception degrades when you cover a certain part of the edge with your hand. I haven’t tested that, but I did order the free case that’s supposed to fix the problem; Apple gives you a choice of several different case designs.

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1 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:11:57pm

I like mine, too.

I actually DID encounter the reception problem - easily fixed with the bumper or a case.

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:19:39pm

One of the coolest things about it is the EyeTV app, which didn't work too well on the 3G. It works fantastically well with the iPhone 4. I can watch HD TV anywhere I have a 3G or wireless connection, using my EyeTV HD hardware at home. That's pretty awesome.

3 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:23:43pm

Now if it were only on a decent network....

4 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:24:11pm

I wouldn't have gotten one regardless, but Steve Jobs' initial response to the antenna problem was enough to ensure that I would never buy one. Starting with "You're holding it wrong, spend more money on the case" to coming out with a software upgrade (to fix an apparent problem with the phone showing more reception bars than what would be accurate) and acting like that would fix the problem.

5 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:25:13pm

re: #3 Thanos

Now if it were only on a decent network...

Yeah, I know. Lots of people don't like AT&T, but here in LA they're not bad. I get 3G coverage almost everywhere, and rarely drop calls.

6 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:26:44pm

re: #5 Charles

Yeah, I know. Lots of people don't like AT&T, but here in LA they're not bad. I get 3G coverage almost everywhere, and rarely drop calls.

Yeah, in some locales they are certainly better than others. I'm not going to say more on the subject since I a biased. (work for one of their competitors.)

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:27:14pm

re: #4 JamesWI

I wouldn't have gotten one regardless, but Steve Jobs' initial response to the antenna problem was enough to ensure that I would never buy one. Starting with "You're holding it wrong, spend more money on the case" to coming out with a software upgrade (to fix an apparent problem with the phone showing more reception bars than what would be accurate) and acting like that would fix the problem.

Yeah, that was a bit tone-deaf. But Apple's right that all phones have these kinds of weak points in their design. I don't see it as a deal-breaker, myself, considering everything else that is pure awesome about this gadget.

8 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:30:49pm

re: #7 Charles

Yeah, that was a bit tone-deaf. But Apple's right that all phones have these kinds of weak points in their design. I don't see it as a deal-breaker, myself, considering everything else that is pure awesome about this gadget.

Yeah, I just think the only appropriate response to an obvious and highly reported hardware flaw like that is to immediately just come out and say "Sorry, here's a free case." It's not like those cases must cost a whole lot of money to make, especially with the high cost of the phone if you aren't eligible for one of the deals.

9 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:31:27pm

I think he eventually did come out with the free case offer, after taking the massive PR hit for weeks.

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:34:01pm

re: #9 JamesWI

I think he eventually did come out with the free case offer, after taking the massive PR hit for weeks.

I dont think it took them that long to offer the free case. I remember it all happening in a week or two, but I'm not too motivated to check right now.

You have to admit, they did do the right thing, even if it took some, uh, coaxing.

11 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:38:42pm

Oh, the envy! I don't actually want an iPhone as I already have a basic cell phone I'm happy with (and hardly ever use), but I'm soooo eager to get my hands on the new 4th Gen iPod Touch.

I have an iPad & a 5th Gen iPod Nano, both of which I love, but still... I feel like Goldilocks tasting the bowls of porridge. The iPad's great at home, but it won't fit in my small handbag. The Nano's super portable, but the screen is too tiny for my aging eyes and it has no wireless connectivity. Now if I can only hold out for a few more months, the new Touch should be just right... *sigh*

Charles, thanks for the 411 on the screen res—that improvement is one of the main reasons I've been putting off buying a 3rd Gen Touch.

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:39:14pm

Some of the more insane right wing bloggers are now posting about my "dead babies" post -- they think it was really cool that I got these emails, that my response was hysterical and unhinged, and that they're going to win and women will have to bear the babies of rapists forevermore.

Crazy fucks.

13 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:39:16pm

re: #7 Charles

Yeah, that was a bit tone-deaf. But Apple's right that all phones have these kinds of weak points in their design. I don't see it as a deal-breaker, myself, considering everything else that is pure awesome about this gadget.

As nice as the iPhones are and have been, I could never subscribe to Steve Jobs' vision of total vertical control over the hardware and software (the infamous "Apple walled garden"). From my car to my computers to my phone, I want as much control as is safely and technically possible to do what I want with it...it's pretty simple, because I paid for the stuff.

That said, I'm a WinMo man (currently have the HTC/AT&T Tilt 2), but Android is grabbing more of my attention nowadays. The Samsung Capitvate is an Android phone that I'm drooling over...definitely on my want list.

14 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:39:43pm

re: #10 Charles

I dont think it took them that long to offer the free case. I remember it all happening in a week or two, but I'm not too motivated to check right now.

You have to admit, they did do the right thing, even if it took some, uh, coaxing.

Haha yeah, I don't doubt that the phone is pretty damn good. I just imagine what would happen if that HTC 4G phone had such a glaring problem and they came out with a similar response. I think Apple gets away with a whole lot, based on the goodwill that came from iPods and the original iPhones. And you have to admit, there are a whole lot of freakish Apple fans out there who would pay a couple thousand for a computer with the capabilities only slightly above those of an original Macintosh if Jobs told them it was awesome. I remember seeing a story about a new dating website in the works, created only for Apple users, which would incorporate content that could only be viewed on Apple devices. Ugh

15 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:41:58pm
16 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:42:24pm

re: #13 talon_262

Err, meant the Samsung Captivate...

17 marsl  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:42:42pm

And what about your old iPhone? Would you sell it to a fellow Lizard?
Maybe an american Lizard would like to buy it...

18 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:46:13pm

I have a world edition Blackberry supplied by my company with unlimited Global minutes and texting for free..Guess I'm sticking with BB and all the sucky apps
But it is free so I shall not bitch..But I want too

19 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:47:00pm

re: #12 Charles

Some of the more insane right wing bloggers are now posting about my "dead babies" post -- they think it was really cool that I got these emails, that my response was hysterical and unhinged, and that they're going to win and women will have to bear the babies of rapists forevermore.

Crazy fucks.

Q: What do you call people who think and talk like that?

A: Mental patient.

20 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:47:56pm

All I want is a Iphone sized device that gets the internet, and a reasonable monthly fee.

21 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:49:28pm

I want a shrubbery

22 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:51:33pm

re: #13 talon_262

As nice as the iPhones are and have been, I could never subscribe to Steve Jobs' vision of total vertical control over the hardware and software (the infamous "Apple walled garden"). From my car to my computers to my phone, I want as much control as is safely and technically possible to do what I want with it...it's pretty simple, because I paid for the stuff.

That really is the main reason why I've never become an Apple guy, that culture of anal retentiveness when it comes to what you can and can't do with their products. You want an iMac, you have to accept that you can't upgrade its components, and you have to replace the computer as a whole. You want an iPod, you have to accept being chained to iTunes, meaning if you want to put third-party music or video on there, you have to find a third-party program that can do it. And if you want an iPhone or iPad, you have to accept not only being stuck with iTunes, but also with AT&T's less then stellar services.

23 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:52:18pm

re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That really is the main reason why I've never become an Apple guy, that culture of anal retentiveness when it comes to what you can and can't do with their products. You want an iMac, you have to accept that you can't upgrade its components, and you have to replace the computer as a whole. You want an iPod, you have to accept being chained to iTunes, meaning if you want to put third-party music or video on there, you have to find a third-party program that can do it. And if you want an iPhone or iPad, you have to accept not only being stuck with iTunes, but also with AT&T's less then stellar services.

All I want is a Iphone sized device that gets the internet, and a reasonable monthly fee.

24 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:53:37pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

All I want is a Iphone sized device that gets the internet, and a reasonable monthly fee.

I'm holding out for the cellphone-sized laptop that I saw proposed in Popular Science a couple years back.

25 blueraven  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:55:18pm

re: #12 Charles

Some of the more insane right wing bloggers are now posting about my "dead babies" post -- they think it was really cool that I got these emails, that my response was hysterical and unhinged, and that they're going to win and women will have to bear the babies of rapists forevermore.

Crazy fucks.

Evil crazy fucks.

26 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:58:37pm

re: #12 Charles

Some of the more insane right wing bloggers are now posting about my "dead babies" post -- they think it was really cool that I got these emails, that my response was hysterical and unhinged, and that they're going to win and women will have to bear the babies of rapists forevermore.

Crazy fucks.

Yeah, they were tweeting earlier -- some of them are Bilderberger freaks too....

27 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:59:01pm

Posted this downstairs, but it needs wider distribution:

re: #45 talon_262

Isn't the AAPS the psuedo-medical group that Daddy Paul started/ran? If so, this is not surprising...

Close, real close.

AAPS is headed by Jane Orient.

Remember her? If not, then do you remember this name: Art Robinson? You see, Ms. Orient is a member of the "faculty" of Robinson's Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

And yes, the Pauls are affiliated with AAPS.

The looney-sphere is quite well connected, and the fact that you're seeing more than one of them pop up at the same time is not a coincidence.


***

Again, I feel obliged to stress this: they really are working together. Their intent is nothing less than to make this nation into what it hasn't been or should be. And the current plan is pretty clear: turn the GOP into their party.

28 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:00:09pm

re: #24 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm holding out for the cellphone-sized laptop that I saw proposed in Popular Science a couple years back.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before on LGF in certain "tech" threads, but I have been waiting forever for a dedicated handheld "terminal" of some sort.

Back in the early 80, I actually marveled that no one design a small, handheld modem based unit that could simply connect to dial up services at the time. I know the technology was possible. I had a used stock brokers device that would plug into any phone line, and take any text feed sent to it... but of course, it was a dedicated device for getting stock tickers... one scrolling line. But, I actually used it to connect to compuserve and get weather and news... one scrolling line at a time.

And with the advent of wifi and the cell networks, I marvel again that no one I know of have developed a dedicated hand held browser... no other bells or whistles, no phone, no apps, just the internet.

Once again, it can be done. I had a Sony Mylo, which was a Itouch type device, wifi, worked well, but once again, more device than I was looking for... had all the typical apps... video, pictures, camera, basically a smart phone without the phone.

All I want is a Iphone sized device that gets the internet, and a reasonable monthly fee.

29 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:00:35pm

re: #24 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm holding out for the cellphone-sized laptop that I saw proposed in Popular Science a couple years back.

My Tilt 2 would fit that sort of form factor and Dell's coming out with a 5-inch tablet phone thingy real soon (the Dell Mini 5) that runs Android.

30 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:02:17pm

re: #26 Thanos

Yeah, they were tweeting earlier -- some of them are Bilderberger freaks too...

Beware the pentavirate!

31 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:02:33pm

Hrmm -theHeat's "Why I can't pull the R lever anymore" got crossposted as a diary over at DKOS... that oughta drive those socons mad....

32 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:05:41pm

re: #31 Thanos

Hrmm -theHeat's "Why I can't pull the R lever anymore" got crossposted as a diary over at DKOS... that oughta drive those socons mad...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

33 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:06:51pm

re: #32 Charles

blasphemy/

34 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:08:16pm

Speaking of the loony "Obama is a hypnotist" crap from a couple of threads ago, wasn't our very own Zombie a huge proponent of the NLP theory? I seem to remember thousands upon thousands of turd-words about it.

Gee I'm (click - hold on a moment) glad that (click - hits self over head with mallet) I never bought into that (click)...

[this user is being rebooted, please stand by]

35 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:11:14pm

re: #30 Aceofwhat?

Beware the pentavirate!

They need to cover their asses from Colonel Sanders:

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"
Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?
Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartarse!
Charlie Mackenzie: Coo-coo.

;-P

36 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:11:44pm

Krogers lemon meringue pie

Not bad,, not bad at all

Carry on !

37 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:12:22pm

re: #32 Charles

I keep waiting for that moment when the tea partiers stumble out on the beach with their spears and war paint only to see the adults and then wonder why they killed Piggy and then why they are chasing Ralph...

38 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:12:59pm

re: #32 Charles

Wow, they nailed LGF:

"I sometimes worry that here at DKos we are a bit of any echo chamber, patting each other on the back and reaffirming our own beliefs. Sure the folks over at LGF aren't Progressives, but posts like show that they are generally intellectually honest, open-minded and fans of critical thinking and I it makes me very happy to see."

39 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:13:32pm

re: #32 Charles

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

The comments are nicer than usual. I think that most Kopskidz would still have a tough time here on the topics of Israel and terrorism.

40 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:14:19pm

re: #32 Charles

I'm repeating myself.. but anyway I agree with theheat: I voted for Reagan once, for GHWB both times, for Dole, for GWB once.

Then I could do it no more, punch the (R) hole on the card. I did vote for Arnie for Governator - will he be the last Republican for which I vote?

41 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:14:23pm

Today's wingnut outrageous outrage seems to be the first lady's vacation. Outrageous!

42 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:15:01pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Oh, the envy! I don't actually want an iPhone as I already have a basic cell phone I'm happy with (and hardly ever use), but I'm sooo eager to get my hands on the new 4th Gen iPod Touch.

I have an iPad & a 5th Gen iPod Nano, both of which I love, but still... I feel like Goldilocks tasting the bowls of porridge. The iPad's great at home, but it won't fit in my small handbag. The Nano's super portable, but the screen is too tiny for my aging eyes and it has no wireless connectivity. Now if I can only hold out for a few more months, the new Touch should be just right... *sigh*

Charles, thanks for the 411 on the screen res—that improvement is one of the main reasons I've been putting off buying a 3rd Gen Touch.

I hardly ever use my iPhone as an actual, you know, phone.
I use it for just about everything else - calendar, music, texting, e-mail, something called "redlaser" that I can use to check prices and find the best deal, news and weather, mapquest - really, it's a portable everything.

43 ruexperienced  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:15:22pm

I've had the iPhone 4 for several weeks now and as Charles said, it is a huge improvement over the 3G.

The display is the clearest and brightest I've seen on any phone anywhere.

My dropped calls have also gone from 3 per day down to about 3 per week.

Also, for those who keep banging on about how much better the IPhone would be on a competing network, think again :

The iPhone averages 110 mb of data usage per month on AT&T

Source :ZDnet

Throw all those iPhones on the Verizon network and you'd be pushing so much data they would suck too.

We can all argue over the numbers but the absolute truth is the iPhone is the center of my business universe and is an indispensable tool in getting the job done.

As someone who also actively supports most models of alleged "Smart" Phones in my daily life as an IT professional, it's clear the iPhone is way ahead of the pack in every respect.

I make so many more support calls for those freaking Crapberry phones it's just off the scale comedy in the accounting office !

: )

44 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:15:34pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I hear she had half the country with her, dining on escargot and getting massages at fancy Monte Carlo hotels.

No?

45 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:15:48pm

re: #40 freetoken

I'm repeating myself.. but anyway I agree with theheat: I voted for Reagan once, for GHWB both times, for Dole, for GWB once.

Then I could do it no more, punch the (R) hole on the card. I did vote for Arnie for Governator - will he be the last Republican for which I vote?

You know, I never took you for a Republican. I guess the Overton Window really has shifted a lot lately.

46 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:15:50pm

re: #42 reine.de.tout

Works great as an alarm clock too, with a 99 cent app.

47 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:16:07pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

The comments are nicer than usual. I think that most Kopskidz would still have a tough time here on the topics of Israel and terrorism.

same at it ever was,, same as it ever was!

48 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:16:15pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

The comments are nicer than usual. I think that most Kopskidz would still have a tough time here on the topics of Israel and terrorism.

Many of them are emoticonists. I can't read the site for that reason alone.

49 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:16:29pm

Palin is going to help the GOP raise money, she's going mainstream apparently:

Palin.

50 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:16:52pm

re: #46 Charles

Works great as an alarm clock too, with a 99 cent app.

There's a nap for that.

51 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:17:25pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

The comments are nicer than usual. I think that most Kopskidz would still have a tough time here on the topics of Israel and terrorism.

and Dan Rather

52 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:19:26pm

re: #46 Charles

Works great as an alarm clock too, with a 99 cent app.

What do you get for 99 cents that the built-in clock app doesn't already give you?

53 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:23:34pm

re: #49 avanti

Palin is going to TRY to help the GOP raise money. She'll raise some, but the second-order effects will be negative.

GOP does not need her as its public face.

54 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:24:48pm

re: #49 avanti

Palin is going to help the GOP raise money, she's going mainstream apparently:

Palin.

re: #53 lostlakehiker

Palin is going to TRY to help the GOP raise money. She'll raise some, but the second-order effects will be negative.

GOP does not need her as its public face.

Absolutely it does. And as its candidate, too.

Say hello to your next president, the first fascist of the United States to occupy the Oval Office.

Brought to you by the Anorexic Death's Head & Co.

55 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:24:59pm

re: #52 Cato the Elder

What do you get for 99 cents that the built-in clock app doesn't already give you?

a $400 phone!

56 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:25:02pm

re: #46 Charles

Works great as an alarm clock too, with a 99 cent app.

Also, I have a flashlight app.

57 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:25:04pm

re: #53 lostlakehiker

Palin is going to TRY to help the GOP raise money. She'll raise some, but the second-order effects will be negative.

GOP does not need her as its public face.

The RNC is probably at the point where they'll do whatever they think makes them money. Including pandering to the Tea Parties.

58 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:25:43pm

re: #56 reine.de.tout

Also, I have a flashlight app.

Me too
It's called ,, well, ,, a FLASHLIGHT!

59 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:25:59pm

re: #56 reine.de.tout

Also, I have a flashlight app.

Also, references - the Constitution, the Declaration, "On This Day in History".

60 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:26:25pm

re: #58 sattv4u2

Me too
It's called ,, well, ,, a FLASHLIGHT!

Is that a flashlight in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:26:53pm

re: #52 Cato the Elder

What do you get for 99 cents that the built-in clock app doesn't already give you?

Built-in clock doesn't let you set alarms - for 99 cents you get the ability to set alarms and use the music of your choice to wake you up. There are some free alarm clock apps too, lacking some of the nicer features but still capable of forcing you to wake up.

62 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:27:05pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

Is that a flashlight in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Why would I be happy to see you?
You don't even know if you live in a house or not!

63 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:27:42pm

I'm lost when it comes to DB's... so I need a bit of help here.

I blew up my blog during upgrade to Wordpress 3.01 and no, I didn't do a fresh install

so I need to import a database to the newly installed but blank version of wordpress...

If I export the old db and then import to the new db, should I use csv format or what? I

64 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:27:52pm

re: #61 Charles

Built-in clock doesn't let you set alarms - for 99 cents you get the ability to set alarms and use the music of your choice to wake you up. There are some free alarm clock apps too, lacking some of the nicer features but still capable of forcing you to wake up.

My two dogs do that for me every morning at 07:15 sharp!

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:27:52pm

re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That really is the main reason why I've never become an Apple guy, that culture of anal retentiveness when it comes to what you can and can't do with their products. You want an iMac, you have to accept that you can't upgrade its components, and you have to replace the computer as a whole.

Huh? I've been using macs for decades & been upgrading Macs for decades. Not really all that much harder than in the Wintel world. The real pain was in cracking open a classic case but even still it wasn't that hard. My old 8500 or my wife's 1st Gen Mini ended up very different than when they left the factory :) I recently replaced the fan in my Macbook and that was no worse than any other laptop.

They may not have gone out their way to make it easy, but everything has always been documented better than most companies.

66 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:28:12pm

re: #58 sattv4u2

Me too
It's called ,, well, ,, a FLASHLIGHT!

Yes, but Satt - I know I'll always have my phone with me.
I don't tend to carry around a flashlight all the time.

Look, the phone is amazing. I can follow my personal stock portfolio - I even have an app that, if I turn it on when I park my car somewhere, will bring me back to my car. Now, for me - well, let's just say I don't always pay attention to where I've parked the car (once had the mall security folks driving me around the whole parking lot to try to find my car).

67 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:28:21pm

re: #61 Charles

Built-in clock doesn't let you set alarms - for 99 cents you get the ability to set alarms and use the music of your choice to wake you up. There are some free alarm clock apps too, lacking some of the nicer features but still capable of forcing you to wake up.

Even my crappy $30 Samsung has a built in alarm clock.

68 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:29:11pm

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Yes, but Satt - I know I'll always have my phone with me.
I don't tend to carry around a flashlight all the time.

Look, the phone is amazing. I can follow my personal stock portfolio - I even have an app that, if I turn it on when I park my car somewhere, will bring me back to my car. Now, for me - well, let's just say I don't always pay attention to where I've parked the car (once had the mall security folks driving me around the whole parking lot to try to find my car).

I just hang around till everyone else leaves and take the one thats left!

69 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:29:41pm

re: #61 Charles

Built-in clock doesn't let you set alarms - for 99 cents you get the ability to set alarms and use the music of your choice to wake you up. There are some free alarm clock apps too, lacking some of the nicer features but still capable of forcing you to wake up.

Huh? I've been setting alarms with my built-in iPhone clock since the day I bought it. And using it as a stopwatch and a timer, too.

I'm sure the music feature is nice, though.

70 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:30:46pm

re: #63 Thanos

I'm lost when it comes to DB's... so I need a bit of help here.

I blew up my blog during upgrade to Wordpress 3.01 and no, I didn't do a fresh install

so I need to import a database to the newly installed but blank version of wordpress...

If I export the old db and then import to the new db, should I use csv format or what? I

Are you using phpMyAdmin to import the DB, or something else?

71 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:31:12pm

re: #61 Charles

weird. i wonder how many other basic items, previously included with the 3G built-ins, were removed from the 4 to encourage app shopping.

i use my 3G alarm as my backup every day...

72 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:32:00pm

re: #70 Charles

Are you using phpMyAdmin to import the DB, or something else?

Yes
however it's more complex than straight import

73 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:32:05pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

Well, you know more than I do. I never used the built-in clock's alarm feature.

74 anand  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:32:27pm
today my iPhone 4 was delivered

Sir. Please step this way and turn in your fanboy card...NOW.

75 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:32:39pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

Why would I be happy to see you?
You don't even know if you live in a house or not!

I have a house in Indiana..For a short time...
Doing laundry in a Hotel..Watching NCIS and blogging in Oklahoma on a Friday Night...
Does it get any better?
/Don't answer that

76 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:32:50pm

I didnt take a backup before upgrade, so the fresh install is in root, but the old db points to /wordpress.....
hence I have a dilemma

77 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:33:51pm

re: #72 Thanos

Well, you should import with whatever format you export as -- usually CSV is the most reliable.

There are a lot of options, though, and I'm not sure how your system is set up.

78 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:35:20pm

re: #77 Charles

Well, you should import with whatever format you export as -- usually CSV is the most reliable.

There are a lot of options, though, and I'm not sure how your system is set up.

Ok I will do it with csv ... just wondering how to get it all pointed at root. This should keep me busy all weekend....

79 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:35:37pm

re: #75 HoosierHoops

I have a house in Indiana..For a short time...
Doing laundry in a Hotel..Watching NCIS and blogging in Oklahoma on a Friday Night...
Does it get any better?
/Don't answer that

heheh,, comedian Richard Jeni

a group of guys sitting around a campfire, drinking beers after a day of hunting
"Does it get any better than this?"

"Are you a moron, Goerge,,, how about some WOMEN!! "

80 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:37:13pm

re: #75 HoosierHoops

I have a house in Indiana..For a short time...
Doing laundry in a Hotel..Watching NCIS and blogging in Oklahoma on a Friday Night...
Does it get any better?
/Don't answer that

...it could be college football season.

on that note, are you going to go Boomer Sooner while you're in town? when in Rome...

81 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:38:18pm

The old blog was wired to point to noblesseoblige.org/wordpress, now it's just Noblesseoblige.org, which I like a heck of a lot better... but I have a feeling I'm going to be editing a bunch of .php files to get things set aright...

82 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:41:56pm

It's Friday right? I'm still on blood thinners and can't drink, so you all have to pick up my slack here for the FNDT....

83 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:42:21pm

re: #80 Aceofwhat?

...it could be college football season.

on that note, are you going to go Boomer Sooner while you're in town? when in Rome...

They had Sooner day on the Campus today at 10am...I'm working 12 hour days till I can run back home for a few weeks...I have worked harder with more Technical network issues in my life..I just don't remember when..I have a CA server corrupting data over wireless in WPA2..That will be my Saturday and Sunday this weekend...I'm think an ulcer is in my future :)

84 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:44:00pm

re: #83 HoosierHoops

I'm think an ulcer is in my future :

My ulcer can drink your ulcer under the table!

85 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:45:05pm

re: #81 Thanos

The old blog was wired to point to noblesseoblige.org/wordpress, now it's just Noblesseoblige.org, which I like a heck of a lot better... but I have a feeling I'm going to be editing a bunch of .php files to get things set aright...

Do NOT start editing PHP files or you're going to end up with a huge mess. My nic should be blue, so if you'd like some assistance send me an email and I'll be in touch.

86 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:46:05pm

re: #83 HoosierHoops

They had Sooner day on the Campus today at 10am...I'm working 12 hour days till I can run back home for a few weeks...I have worked harder with more Technical network issues in my life..I just don't remember when..I have a CA server corrupting data over wireless in WPA2..That will be my Saturday and Sunday this weekend...I'm think an ulcer is in my future :)

If anybody has the right personality for it, you do. I'd kill to have an IT manager as even-keeled and positive as you are...

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:46:29pm

Hey Guys. Kyle (The boyfriend) has taken a horrible, unexpected turn for the worse. I would appreciate any prayers you have to offer. The doctors are not encouraged and have told the family that he probably will not make it. Please lift this family and my daughter up in your prayers.

88 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:47:19pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

you got it

89 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:48:07pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DAMN !

90 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:48:21pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Guys. Kyle (The boyfriend) has taken a horrible, unexpected turn for the worse. I would appreciate any prayers you have to offer. The doctors are not encouraged and have told the family that he probably will not make it. Please lift this family and my daughter up in your prayers.

Holy crap. I didn't know things had gotten worse. I'm sorry, FBV.

91 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:48:51pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

Do NOT start editing PHP files or you're going to end up with a huge mess. My nic should be blue, so if you'd like some assistance send me an email and I'll be in touch.

But I like to get in trouble and dig my way out ... :)

92 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:49:03pm
93 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:49:27pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Guys. Kyle (The boyfriend) has taken a horrible, unexpected turn for the worse. I would appreciate any prayers you have to offer. The doctors are not encouraged and have told the family that he probably will not make it. Please lift this family and my daughter up in your prayers.

Oh no. Consider the prayers done.

{{FVB}}

94 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:50:24pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't help you in the prayer dept as an atheist, but you are in my thoughts friend.

95 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:54:04pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Guys. Kyle (The boyfriend) has taken a horrible, unexpected turn for the worse. I would appreciate any prayers you have to offer. The doctors are not encouraged and have told the family that he probably will not make it. Please lift this family and my daughter up in your prayers.

Oh dear lord...
FVB Since I have been working on Sundays I've been posting the prayer list on Friday nights while in Oklahoma...
Life is so fleeting...
I'll post the prayer list at 9pm CST..
May God show your family grace and healing

96 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:55:01pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not the praying type, but I can send good vibes and hope it turns around for him.

97 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:56:59pm

Crowded House -- Saturday Sun

98 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:58:37pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prayers for you & your loved ones.

99 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:59:29pm

The Little green football prayer list
Special Sabbath Edition

On Aug. 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, that instantly killed an estimated 66,000 people in the first use of a nuclear weapon in warfare. (Go to article.)
On Aug. 6, 1911, Lucille Ball, the American radio, television and film comedic actress, was born. Following her death on April 26, 1989, her obituary appeared in The Times.


Hey Guys. Kyle (The boyfriend) has taken a horrible, unexpected turn for the worse. I would appreciate any prayers you have to offer. The doctors are not encouraged and have told the family that he probably will not make it. Please lift this family and my daughter up in your prayers.
Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray today for the Gulf Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
We pray for our Veterans today. [Link: www.drumhike.com...]
Thanos: Grant healing and strength to our dear friend
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Veggie Update: For the prayer list, my daughter's boyfriend is going to be moved out of intensive care and into rehab (we hope!) next week... beginning of a long journey.
I want to add thanksgiving that they will be able to do his rehab locally. There was talk that he was going to be moved three to five hours away from his family.
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen

100 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:02:29pm

re: #91 Thanos

But I like to get in trouble and dig my way out ... :)

Heh, well in that case at least heed this: The only PHP file you should edit is wp-config.php in root. IIRC, there are also one or two records in your database tables that need to be modified to point to the correct installation path. That's about it, assuming everything else was done correctly (installation, db import & export, basic config, etc.)

101 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:03:49pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Heh, well in that case at least heed this: The only PHP file you should edit is wp-config.php in root. IIRC, there are also one or two records in your database tables that need to be modified to point to the correct installation path. That's about it, assuming everything else was done correctly (installation, db import & export, basic config, etc.)

Do blogs use TNSname files?

102 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:05:18pm

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Isn't this from an earlier FBV update, Hoops, or is it someone else?



Veggie Update: For the prayer list, my daughter's boyfriend is going to be moved out of intensive care and into rehab (we hope!) next week... beginning of a long journey.
I want to add thanksgiving that they will be able to do his rehab locally. There was talk that he was going to be moved three to five hours away from his family.
103 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:05:25pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Heh, well in that case at least heed this: The only PHP file you should edit is wp-config.php in root. IIRC, there are also one or two records in your database tables that need to be modified to point to the correct installation path. That's about it, assuming everything else was done correctly (installation, db import & export, basic config, etc.)

I had figured on just wp-config, but wasn't sure of how much I also need to do to get the db pointers all copacetic... I will certainly yell later if I need a hand, it might be tomorrow before I get around to taking the plunge however.

104 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:05:56pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

sorta like that but not... it's mysql, not Oracle.

105 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:06:37pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

Do blogs use TNSname files?

I have no idea what a TNSname file is, so I guess not. At the not the blogs & CMS's I'm familiar with.

106 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:07:18pm

re: #102 JasonA

Isn't this from an earlier FBV update, Hoops, or is it someone else?

We have watched hope turn into despair...

107 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:07:36pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

TNSname is what oracle uses for user names and passwords

108 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:07:52pm

re: #103 Thanos

I had figured on just wp-config, but wasn't sure of how much I also need to do to get the db pointers all copacetic... I will certainly yell later if I need a hand, it might be tomorrow before I get around to taking the plunge however.

I'll be glad to help whenever if you need it. Just holler.

109 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:08:22pm

re: #97 Thanos

a little more offbeat...

110 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:08:39pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My prayer has been said. And my kind thoughts are with you and Kyle.

111 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:09:05pm

re: #107 Thanos

TNSname is what oracle uses for user names and passwords

Ah, okay. Thx.

112 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:09:30pm

re: #104 Thanos

sorta like that but not... it's mysql, not Oracle.

I think Oracle now owns mysql...I expect a lot of changes in the future...
Europe held up the sale for months over this...IIRC

113 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:09:49pm

The default configuration of MySQL contains some tables that are used for connection rules, permissions, etc.

114 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:10:16pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

We have watched hope turn into despair...

I don't understand how it went to talk of rehab to this... damn it.

115 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:11:20pm

re: #107 Thanos

TNSname is what oracle uses for user names and passwords

Don't forget it directs the user to a particular instance of the DB

116 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:12:00pm

If you want less of a security headache, at least consider Serendipity over wordpress:

[Link: www.s9y.org...]

117 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:12:04pm

re: #114 JasonA

I don't understand how it went to talk of rehab to this... damn it.

spine injuries are very unpredictable, paralysis is a real bitch...sad news

118 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:13:13pm

Of course I've not read far enough back in the thread to really know what's going on.

119 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:14:20pm

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Hoops, thank you so much for doing this. I'd also appreciate prayer for a housing situation I'm facing. I trust it will go well. But this month will be interesting.

120 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:14:46pm

re: #118 Conservative Moonbat

Of course I've not read far enough back in the thread to really know what's going on.

i do that all the time. it's good to slack in groups. slacking alone can be tough sledding, you know?

121 darthstar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:15:51pm

I got a new bicycle today.

Tomorrow we go for our first ride...Just a few miles to get our legs and saddles back (still need to buy bike shorts for longer rides). Then it's three or four rides/week of varying length to get ourselves in shape for a couple of 50 mile tries in September. I figure if we can get up to 15-20 miles regularly, the longer ride will be doable in 4-5 hours.

122 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:16:00pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

We have watched hope turn into despair...

As long as the young man's alive there's still hope. God willing, there won't be any despair.

123 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:16:10pm

re: #118 Conservative Moonbat

Of course I've not read far enough back in the thread to really know what's going on.

Me neither. But I'm in Indy for Gencon, posting from my hotel.

124 jerk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:16:23pm

I would love one of these phones, yet I find myself tragically stuck with a java-based device due to lack of funds for a monthly data plan. The only "apps" that I have access to are just crappy and probably contain spyware. At least it makes calls, though no one really calls me anyway :(

125 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:18:27pm

re: #124 jerk

I would love one of these phones, yet I find myself tragically stuck with a java-based device due to lack of funds for a monthly data plan. The only "apps" that I have access to are just crappy and probably contain spyware. At least it makes calls, though no one really calls me anyway :(

For financial reasons I have had to return to the use of the antiquated device known as the "land line."

126 darthstar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:19:26pm

re: #113 Charles

The default configuration of MySQL contains some tables that are used for connection rules, permissions, etc.

Just don't jailbreak your phone, Charles. The jailbreak apps out there are taking advantage of a security vulnerability...if you trust the hackers to *just* jailbreak your phone, then you have nothing to worry about.

127 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:19:39pm

re: #121 darthstar

I got a new bicycle today.

Tomorrow we go for our first ride...Just a few miles to get our legs and saddles back (still need to buy bike shorts for longer rides). Then it's three or four rides/week of varying length to get ourselves in shape for a couple of 50 mile tries in September. I figure if we can get up to 15-20 miles regularly, the longer ride will be doable in 4-5 hours.

For you, dear :)

128 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:19:47pm

I can't use apples stuff because I've been ripping in wma since before the IPod. Oh well.

129 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:19:59pm

re: #119 Irenicum

Hoops, thank you so much for doing this. I'd also appreciate prayer for a housing situation I'm facing. I trust it will go well. But this month will be interesting.

I added you..Good Luck..I was supposed to sign a lease today for a place in Oklahoma today..No calls at all..I'm not stressing..*wink*
There is always a Monday...
King regards

130 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:21:49pm

I guess it's time to turn in my first generation iPhone and upgrade.

131 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:23:54pm

in case you haven't had your monthly dose of vkgoeswild...

132 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:23:56pm

re: #126 darthstar

Just don't jailbreak your phone, Charles. The jailbreak apps out there are taking advantage of a security vulnerability...if you trust the hackers to *just* jailbreak your phone, then you have nothing to worry about.

The easier they make it to do it, the more risky it is, most likely. I'd do it, but only after days of pouring over docs to the point where I understood exactly what I was doing.

That's really what android machines are made for anyway.

133 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:24:32pm

re: #125 Conservative Moonbat

For financial reasons I have had to return to the use of the antiquated device known as the "land line."

you know what they say, a wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse

134 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:26:18pm

re: #128 Amory Blaine

I can't use apples stuff because I've been ripping in wma since before the IPod. Oh well.

If you don't want to rerip can't you use foobar2000 or something to transcode to mp3?

135 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:26:41pm

Hot Air commenters are outraged that a black womon took a vacation....


She’s an African American woman who hates her country; she won the lottery, so it’s a black woman’s turn and she can poke a finger in your eye…and by God she’s earned it.

F y’all.

rickyricardo on August 6, 2010 at 9:41 PM


Outrage!

136 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:27:45pm

Sadly, I can't create an LGF page from here, so Scott Wheeler's latest insanity won't get it's own page till Sunday. But I'm reposting his fundraising email here, because it is near perfect self-parody:

From the Desk of August 6 2010
Scott Wheeler

Dear National Republican Trust Supporter:

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This is our hard earned money, Not their political slush fund!

Can there be any doubt now that the Democrats are trying to bankrupt our nation?
They've stashed away hundreds of Billions in unspent stimulus funds, and still they want more. And unless we throw them out, and seize control of Congress, the spending spree will continue...and they'll raise taxes on everyone January 1st when they let the Bush tax cuts expire.

The GOP Trust is fighting for your control of Congress...A momentous battle over 40 seats, nearly half of which can expect no help from the political establishment. Their fate rests on our shoulders.

These are tough races, but we have tough conservative candidates with which to win them...and we must, in order to retake the majority, and continue investigating the most corrupt administration in the history of our country.


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137 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:27:57pm

"WHY WAS THE 20th CENTURY SO BLOODY?

There have always been mad-men, but the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history. Why? What changed? Why did the world suddenly find itself murdering millions of innocent people?

Is it possible that one specific idea influenced or provided a justification for the atrocities we know as Nazi Germany, the eugenics movement and abortion?

Is it possible that idea was Darwinian evolution?"


Yea, that's it./


A trailer for a DVD, I'll never buy:
What Hath Darwin Wrought? .

138 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:28:37pm

Watching this tech thread makes me even more freaked out that the "machines" will harvest us for our battery potential. Seriously, are we allowing ourselves to become cyborged? And yet I loves me my intertoobs!

139 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:28:44pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Notice that I didn't post about this. Not because I didn't know about it, but because it's so stupid the idea of writing about it gave me an instant migraine.

140 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:28:49pm

What racism?


LEAVE GEORGE AND LOUEEZY ALONE!

“We’re movin’ on up
To the East Side…

We finally got a piece of the piiiiiiiiiiie!!!!!!!”

Mr_Magoo on August 6, 2010 at 9:47 PM

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:29:09pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Hot Air commenters are outraged that a black womon took a vacation...

Outrage!

Butthurt, thy name is HotAir.

142 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:29:38pm

re: #139 Charles

Notice that I didn't post about this. Not because I didn't know about it, but because it's so stupid the idea of writing about it gave me an instant migraine.

It's just as pointless as any of the previous outrages.

143 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:30:21pm

re: #137 avanti

Yup, good old Darwin, son of Satan himself.

144 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:30:25pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

sadly?
(cough)

145 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:30:47pm

re: #139 Charles

Notice that I didn't post about this. Not because I didn't know about it, but because it's so stupid the idea of writing about it gave me an instant migraine.

I could never be on the Front line like you...
Respect Brother..Total respect

146 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:30:53pm

And they're bitching because not enough racist comments are making it through moderation....

And unfortunately for us, AllahP has the MO filters on. Maybe we should petition Allah for an exemption to go after the lovely Ms. Obama, seeing how she’s spending our money, and she’s not even a federal employee.

Allah? How ’bout it? Huh?

BobMbx on August 6, 2010 at 10:02 PM

147 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:31:51pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

What racism?

That's a post that makes Archie Bunker look good. Even he didn't begrudge the Jeffersons' success like these assholes hate on anything good Sherrod has gotten from this shitstorm.

148 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:32:32pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Was the original in Comic Sans per chance? How about more written in more than one color?

149 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:32:42pm
Camp David is for honkies.

bw222 on August 6, 2010 at 9:50 PM


Ok, I'm pretty much done. This stuff gets to me and I've been drinking. I know my limits (sometimes).

150 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:32:49pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

They hate with such intensity.

151 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:33:01pm

When Laura Bush took the twins on a month-long safari in Africa there was no bitching. I guess she just knew her place.

152 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:33:08pm

re: #137 avanti

They should look more at every adolescent philosophy student's egotistical angst favorite: Nietzsche. He deserves the moniker of leading to Hitler. Darwin, not so much. Do they also credit Darwin's ideas for the development of medicines that have saved millions? No. I didn't think so.

153 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:33:50pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Outrage!


I like the historical note:

Other first ladies have faced an uproar over personal travel. In October 1963, two months after the death of a son born prematurely, Jacqueline Kennedy left her husband behind for a two-week Greek holiday, which featured sailing the Aegean aboard Aristotle Onassis' 303-foot yacht.

A House Republican from Ohio opened an attack, alleging that Onassis owed millions to the U.S. government and questioning the propriety of a trip on a yacht with a 60-man crew "including two coiffeurs and a dance band."

Two coiffeurs and a dance band sounds like a vaguely like a Beck song lyric.

154 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:34:18pm

re: #151 Conservative Moonbat

When Laura Bush took the twins on a month-long safari in Africa there was no bitching. I guess she just knew her place.

America was rich then..who pays for these soires?

155 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:34:32pm

So much to criticize this administration on. Why do the morons focus on race, gays, and abortion? Idiots.

156 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:34:38pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Ok, I'm pretty much done. This stuff gets to me and I've been drinking. I know my limits (sometimes).

here.

cute grrl playing Metallica, and not too badly. soothes the soul.

157 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:35:03pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Ok, I'm pretty much done. This stuff gets to me and I've been drinking. I know my limits (sometimes).

encore!
encore!

158 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:35:24pm

re: #144 albusteve

sadly?
(cough)

Normally I use the pages to showcase Wheeler's insanity. But though the terminal I'm using lets me log into LGF, i can't create a page. But Wheeler's first paragraph was such a perfect example of Bad Craziness that it needed to be posted. The way he goes ALLCAPS to say "the unions" is a perfect self-parody. I don't like the spending bill the Senate just approved, but its not the corrupt bargain Wheeler makes it out to be.

159 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:36:13pm

re: #155 Racer X

So much to criticize this administration on. Why do the morons focus on race, gays, and abortion? Idiots.

to piss off Killgore?

160 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:36:18pm

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

Not bad.

161 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:36:55pm

re: #157 albusteve

Heh, no dice.

162 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:37:05pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Normally I use the pages to showcase Wheeler's insanity. But though the terminal I'm using lets me log into LGF, i can't create a page. But Wheeler's first paragraph was such a perfect example of Bad Craziness that it needed to be posted. The way he goes ALLCAPS to say "the unions" is a perfect self-parody. I don't like the spending bill the Senate just approved, but its not the corrupt bargain Wheeler makes it out to be.

never heard of the guy...and I've been drinking too

163 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:37:26pm

re: #137 avanti

argh I feel like they are plagiarizing from my old blog except for the "it was Darwin!" Part...
The title of my essay / page on that was "The Last Bloody Century" wonder if I'll be able to recover it....

164 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:37:46pm

re: #152 Irenicum

They should look more at every adolescent philosophy student's egotistical angst favorite: Nietzsche. He deserves the moniker of leading to Hitler.

What a terribly ignorant thing to say.

Nietzsche's sister married a proto-Nazi anti-Semite. He despised both of them. And he was the furthest thing from anti-Semitic himself.

Check it.

165 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:38:16pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

They weren't content with 40 acres and a mule. They had to get all uppity and raise the stakes.
/

166 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:38:42pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

And they're bitching because not enough racist comments are making it through moderation...

Trouble is, she's spending her and her husbands money, not ours, and we'd be providing security where ever she was. re: #154 albusteve

America was rich then..who pays for these soires?

In both cases, the First family traveled on their own dime.

167 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:40:30pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Guys. Kyle (The boyfriend) has taken a horrible, unexpected turn for the worse. I would appreciate any prayers you have to offer. The doctors are not encouraged and have told the family that he probably will not make it. Please lift this family and my daughter up in your prayers.

I'm so sorry to hear that.

168 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:40:33pm

re: #148 theheat

Was the original in Comic Sans per chance? How about more written in more than one color?

Some of the lines were bolded, underlined or larger print. But that's tough to duplicate quickly. But not one word of the message was changed other thasn to remove the PAC disclose paragraph for space reasons. I'm reposting that here:

Paid for by The National Republican Trust PAC. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. 2100 M St., N.W., Suite 170-340, Washington, DC 20037-1233.
Contributions to The National Republican Trust PAC are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. No corporate funds are accepted.
The National Republican Trust PAC is not an official RNC committee. We are conservative Republicans dedicated to helping restore the GOP to its historic conservative roots by mobilizing like-minded Republicans nationwide.

169 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:40:34pm

re: #164 Cato the Elder

I will. By the way, I'm glad you're out of retirement.

170 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:41:51pm

re: #164 Cato the Elder

What a terribly ignorant thing to say.

Nietzsche's sister married a proto-Nazi anti-Semite. He despised both of them. And he was the furthest thing from anti-Semitic himself.

Check it.

A friend of mine once commented that reading Nietzche was rather like reading the bible: If you aren't careful you can read anything you want to in either of them.

But then, when I was a teen, Camus was far more interesting to me ;)

171 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:42:12pm

re: #163 Thanos


... wonder if I'll be able to recover it...


What I do for my longer posts here at LGF, and wherever I post something that takes me longer than 30 seconds to write, is to save a copy of the text before I post.

It helps me overcome (daily) with the log-off problem here*, and generally with blogs everywhere, given the vagaries of blog software.


*Which just happened again, with this posting's first attempt!!

172 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:42:13pm

man, I tell ya...I have a great spartan lifestyle, three monthly bills, a great pad in a terrific town, in the most perfect state in the Union...got a car, a phone and an old stray dog that sleeps in my bathroom once in a while for company...a fine PC and a brand new shop vac....I'm livin large and no bat, bot, or nut can take me out of my game

173 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:43:32pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Hot Air commenters are outraged that a black womon took a vacation...
Outrage!


People go on vacations.
People with money go on nice vacations.
The Obamas are well off.
Michelle is an adult and does not need her man with her all the time.
They are paying for it (except for the security I think) out of their own finances.
What is the big deal?

174 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:44:38pm

re: #162 albusteve

never heard of the guy...and I've been drinking too

Most of the time lately Scott Wheeler has ranted about the Park51 ("Ground Zero Mosque") project in NYC. Earlier this week he accused the person spearheading the project Imam Feisal Adbul Rauf of engaging in "4th Generation Warfare" against the United States. He's basically a right wing Rageboy.

175 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:45:08pm

re: #155 Racer X

So much to criticize this administration on. Why do the morons focus on race, gays, and abortion? Idiots.

Not a day goes by that I don't ask myself that same question. I have no love for Obama, but even I can see the majority of the "criticism" leveled against him these days as being driven by bile and hatred, not logic and reason. The thing that scares me the most, more than the GOP throwing their lot in with these loonies, is that otherwise intelligent and thoughtful folks have given the conspiracy theories and outright lies a level of legitimacy. It's not the fire-and-brimstone-breathin' dipshits that scare me, it's the soccer mom who's saying "Well, there might be some truth to the accusations" that turns my hair white.

176 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:45:17pm

The Not So Quiet Sun

After a long solar minimum, the Sun is no longer so quiet. On August 1, this extreme ultraviolet snapshot of the Sun from the Solar Dynamics Observatory captured a complex burst of activity playing across the Sun's northern hemisphere. The false-color image shows the hot solar plasma at temperatures ranging from 1 to 2 million kelvins.

Along with the erupting filaments and prominences, a small(!) solar flare spawned in the active region at the left was accompanied by a coronal mass ejection (CME), a billion-ton cloud of energetic particles headed for planet Earth. Making the 93 million mile trip in only two days, the CME impacted Earth's magnetosphere, triggering a geomagnetic storm and both northern and southern auroral displays.

Image: northSunAug1_sdo.jpg

177 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:45:17pm

re: #171 freetoken

What I do for my longer posts here at LGF, and wherever I post something that takes me longer than 30 seconds to write, is to save a copy of the text before I post.

It helps me overcome (daily) with the log-off problem here*, and generally with blogs everywhere, given the vagaries of blog software.

*Which just happened again, with this posting's first attempt!!

Check this out. It lets you use any editor to edit blog and forum posts. For a while I was using emacs to enter all my posts here and everywhere else.

[Link: addons.mozilla.org...]

179 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:46:50pm

re: #173 webevintage

People go on vacations.
People with money go on nice vacations.
The Obamas are well off.
Michelle is an adult and does not need her man with her all the time.
They are paying for it (except for the security I think) out of their own finances.
What is the big deal?

She's using our money for the security!!1 And she's teh Evvvilll!!11

/wingnut

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:46:54pm

re: #154 albusteve

America was rich then..who pays for these soires?

America wasn't rich then, we just hadn't had the credit agency called on us.

I believe the First Family pays for its own nonworking vacation.

181 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:46:55pm

re: #173 webevintage

People go on vacations.
People with money go on nice vacations.
The Obamas are well off.
Michelle is an adult and does not need her man with her all the time.
They are paying for it (except for the security I think) out of their own finances.
What is the big deal?

if the Obamas ever do half of what I've done, half of my experiences and enjoyed themselves half as much as I have, they'd be living the life of dreams....I don't envy them for a NY second, they should envy me

182 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:47:20pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, it had that rabid vibe to it, so I figured it was probably your typical Fonts Gone Wild wingnut email. They can never overstate enough, so they compound the crazy with manic pseudo design elements if their email program affords them. In a perfect world, they'd only have access to plain text format correspondence.

183 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:48:03pm

re: #176 Racer X

Thank you very much for reminding me that we had a cloudy evening and I'm pissed! I had my cameras at the ready.

184 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:48:24pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Most of the time lately Scott Wheeler has ranted about the Park51 ("Ground Zero Mosque") project in NYC. Earlier this week he accused the person spearheading the project Imam Feisal Adbul Rauf of engaging in "4th Generation Warfare" against the United States. He's basically a right wing Rageboy.

you can stop at Park51...he doesn't count

185 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:49:42pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

America wasn't rich then, we just hadn't had the credit agency called on us.

I believe the First Family pays for its own nonworking vacation.

fine with me...but those $1200 sneakers are very disturbing....people are suffering

186 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:49:53pm

re: #175 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Your worry is my worry. It's when someone normally normal gives into the craziness of apocalyptic extremism that I worry for our future as a nation.

187 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:51:24pm

re: #185 albusteve

fine with me...but those $1200 sneakers are very disturbing...people are suffering

huh?

188 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:51:56pm

re: #178 MandyManners

Adnan Shukrijumah, a former legal alien of America for 15 years, is now the head of Al-Qaeda.

He was born in Saudi Arabia but, is a citizen of Guyana where his father was born.

Know one thing for certain, Adnan: we're gonna' get you. And, your little dog, too. (Oh, wait.)

[Video]

Indeed. Hopefully the CIA will make Adnan soak his head quite soon. Although a Hellfire up his backside would be fine by me as well.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:52:49pm

re: #173 webevintage

People go on vacations.
People with money go on nice vacations.
The Obamas are well off.
Michelle is an adult and does not need her man with her all the time.
They are paying for it (except for the security I think) out of their own finances.
What is the big deal?

There is no big deal.
Michelle looked really good in that one-sleeve blouse.
I hope the girls have a magical time.

190 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:52:56pm

re: #185 albusteve

fine with me...but those $1200 sneakers are very disturbing...people are suffering

que?

191 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:53:37pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Hopefully the CIA will make Adnan soak his head quite soon. Although a Hellfire up his backside would be fine by me as well.

torture is so last year...we have moved beyond that, you must know

192 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:53:41pm

re: #171 freetoken

What I do for my longer posts here at LGF, and wherever I post something that takes me longer than 30 seconds to write, is to save a copy of the text before I post.

It helps me overcome (daily) with the log-off problem here*, and generally with blogs everywhere, given the vagaries of blog software.

*Which just happened again, with this posting's first attempt!!

That log-off problem happens because of the Javascript timer routine which performs periodic tasks -- refreshing the comment count, the Now Playing section, the auto-updating last comments on the front page, etc.

Some of those functions require going through the log-in checking code, and sometimes the timer-based Ajax script happens at the same time as you click the 'post' button, things get confused, and your login expires. I know what the problem is, but haven't found a reliable solution yet.

193 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:55:12pm

It's the "they're not allowed to have fun" meme when anyone else is suffering. It's a great bipartisan tactic. It means nothing.

194 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:56:38pm

re: #99 HoosierHoops

The Little green football prayer list
Special Sabbath Edition

On Aug. 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, that instantly killed an estimated 66,000 people in the first use of a nuclear weapon in warfare. (Go to article.)
On Aug. 6, 1911, Lucille Ball, the American radio, television and film comedic actress, was born. Following her death on April 26, 1989, her obituary appeared in The Times.


Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen

Pretty much a snapshot of the human condition. Many of us are in good health and happy, others are in not so good health but happy anyhow, and some are in good health, have good jobs, good friends and loving families, but are nevertheless unhappy.

None of us will last forever. Carpe diem.

195 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:57:38pm

re: #192 Charles

That log-off problem happens because of the Javascript timer routine which performs periodic tasks -- refreshing the comment count, the Now Playing section, the auto-updating last comments on the front page, etc.

Some of those functions require going through the log-in checking code, and sometimes the timer-based Ajax script happens at the same time as you click the 'post' button, things get confused, and your login expires. I know what the problem is, but haven't found a reliable solution yet.

Does this not happen when you have "stay logged in" (or whatever it is) selected or have I just been lucky?

196 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:57:51pm

re: #192 Charles

Yeah, it still happens to me fairly frequently. I just hit refresh or enter my info again. It takes a few seconds. Annoying but not monumentally important.

197 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:58:27pm

re: #172 albusteve

man, I tell ya...I have a great spartan lifestyle, three monthly bills, a great pad in a terrific town, in the most perfect state in the Union...got a car, a phone and an old stray dog that sleeps in my bathroom once in a while for company...a fine PC and a brand new shop vac...I'm livin large and no bat, bot, or nut can take me out of my game

There have been times in my life on the 15th when I sent out a ton of checks that I just wished I lived in the Mountains in a cabin living the simple life..
I'm not sure with money the quality of my life has improved over the years...
I kind of miss the old days when me and my wife living in a 135 dollar flat and driving an old Toyota weren't the happiest days of my life..
Sometimes I think the rat race is over..And the rats won...Gotta pay those bills. When I retire..God willing..I think I'll just fish all day and enjoy the simple life...Like I did years ago

198 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:58:28pm

re: #193 Irenicum

It's the "they're not allowed to have fun" meme when anyone else is suffering. It's a great bipartisan tactic. It means nothing.

those posts are written by tobacco and alcohol junkies that drink and smoke the amusement park funds away, while they stare into their $2000 flatscreen watching Glen Beck shows....just down on themselves and projecting

199 rhino2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:59:31pm

re: #61 Charles

Built-in clock doesn't let you set alarms - for 99 cents you get the ability to set alarms and use the music of your choice to wake you up. There are some free alarm clock apps too, lacking some of the nicer features but still capable of forcing you to wake up.

o.O

Image: photo1ns.png Built-in clock app...

Image: photo2xf.png And it's included alarm that I use every morning...

I think you might get dinged 3 geek points here Charles

200 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:00:23pm

re: #197 HoosierHoops

There have been times in my life on the 15th when I sent out a ton of checks that I just wished I lived in the Mountains in a cabin living the simple life..
I'm not sure with money the quality of my life has improved over the years...
I kind of miss the old days when me and my wife living in a 135 dollar flat and driving an old Toyota weren't the happiest days of my life..
Sometimes I think the rat race is over..And the rats won...Gotta pay those bills. When I retire..God willing..I think I'll just fish all day and enjoy the simple life...Like I did years ago

no time like the present Nastradamus used to say

201 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:00:39pm

re: #192 Charles

Thanks for the work on the software - I'm sure it can get frustrating when these sort of synchronization issues come up.

202 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:00:41pm
203 rhino2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:01:24pm

re: #199 rhino2

Er, shadowbox isn't working for me when I click those image links, not sure if i'ts the .png or what, but it works if you copy/paste the link.

204 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:02:01pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

[Link: godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com...]

She hates four leaf clovers too?

205 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:02:26pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

[Link: godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com...]

oh my!...lets go talk to the God Hates Fags guy

206 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:02:53pm

re: #204 webevintage

She hates four leaf clovers too?

hehe They keeled my pa!

207 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:02:57pm

re: #204 webevintage

I don't think they can believe their bad luck.

208 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:04:32pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

[Link: godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com...]

Not actually true, since I expect Jesus to have some choice words for that Phelps follower when he dies. But still funny.

209 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:05:35pm

Dealing with an a.m. issue here: Thank you, Lizards, for your words of wisdom and commiseration.

The e-mail I sent to the principal resulted in a "mediation" session in which the bully apologized to The Kid. Complete with tears after the event while the two of them were walking back to their respective class-rooms.

I'll keep a close eye on developments but, I fully expect this to stop now.

I put some strong tacks in the principal's head the other day. She does not want me to do so again.

MOMMA' BEARS RULE!

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:05:39pm

re: #190 Aceofwhat?

que?

One of the earlier Michelle outrages was people being upset about some expensive sneakers she was wearing.

211 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:05:47pm

re: #200 albusteve

no time like the present Nastradamus used to say

Just as long as you make the house payment and the 569 dollar Beemer payment a month..Help me Obama..I need free stuff!

212 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:06:54pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Keep being the good momma!

213 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:07:10pm

re: #196 Irenicum

Yeah, it still happens to me fairly frequently. I just hit refresh or enter my info again. It takes a few seconds. Annoying but not monumentally important.

weird. hardly ever happens to me. i have a theory that the software is secretly judging you every time it refreshes/

214 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:07:20pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Not actually true, since I expect Jesus to have some choice words for that Phelps follower when he dies. But still funny.

I'd rather not wait personally

215 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:07:22pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Dealing with an a.m. issue here: Thank you, Lizards, for your words of wisdom and commiseration.

The e-mail I sent to the principal resulted in a "mediation" session in which the bully apologized to The Kid. Complete with tears after the event while the two of them were walking back to their respective class-rooms.

I'll keep a close eye on developments but, I fully expect this to stop now.

I put some strong tacks in the principal's head the other day. She does not want me to do so again.

MOMMA' BEARS RULE!

Glad it got taken care of Mandy. Both you and your son stood strong on this one and got the bullying to stop. Bravo!

216 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:07:59pm

re: #193 Irenicum

It's the "they're not allowed to have fun" meme when anyone else is suffering. It's a great bipartisan tactic. It means nothing.

Very true, I lost track of the number of times Bush got cracked over the head by the Left for daring to not be in the Oval Office 24/7, micromanaging every aspect of our government. Any time he was in Crawford, especially after Sheehan set up shop, you could expect a small army of loonies out there picketing and screaming up a ruckus.

And if he happened to be on vacation when a disaster happened, such as Katrina, the criticisms got especially venomous, with accusations that he was "lying down on the job" and that such disasters would not have happened or the damage lessened if he'd been "doing his job." Likewise a "war-time president" wasn't supposed to ever leave Washington D.C., because if the troops couldn't go on vacation, neither can the president.

217 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:08:14pm
218 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #212 Irenicum

Keep being the good momma!

Oh, you! Thank you!

219 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:09:08pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

Just as long as you make the house payment and the 569 dollar Beemer payment a month..Help me Obama..I need free stuff!

I bet I like my Jetta as much as you like your BMW

220 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:09:13pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

It may have to do with which browser you use. I'm partial to Firefox. There may be glitches still left for users like us.

221 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:09:26pm

re: #216 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Very true, I lost track of the number of times Bush got cracked over the head by the Left for daring to not be in the Oval Office 24/7, micromanaging every aspect of our government.


...and Carter took hits for the opposite behavior.

222 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:09:41pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Ok, I'm pretty much done. This stuff gets to me and I've been drinking. I know my limits (sometimes).

That's some crazy shit over there. Do these people have any friends? It's pretty obvious they don't get out much.

223 ryannon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:09:51pm

re: #200 albusteve

no time like the present Nastradamus used to say

His brother Nostradamus used to say, 'manana'.

They never could get along.

224 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:10:24pm

I'm a weak, weak man. I just found out that Starcraft2 has been launched for Mac. And also that my Macbook Pro can run the game.

The game looks good. Really good. I'm salivating over the cut scenes.

225 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:10:38pm

re: #212 Irenicum

Keep being the good momma!

*smooch*

226 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:11:10pm

re: #223 ryannon

His brother Nostradamus used to say, 'manana'.

They never could get along.

I did my best...now you make me look like a fool

227 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:11:28pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the earlier Michelle outrages was people being upset about some expensive sneakers she was wearing.

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

228 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:11:37pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

[Link: godhatesprotesters.files.wordpress.com...]

i enlarged it but i still can't quite make out the little animal she(?) drew next to the ObamaBeast...looks like a muzzled rocking horse...i must have missed that chapter in Revelations/

229 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:11:45pm

re: #221 jaunte

...and Carter took hits for the opposite behavior.

Yep. When they're on top of everything and making decisions about everything, critics bitch that they're "power hungry" and "dictators." When they take a relatively hands-off approach and let those below them run themselves, the critics bitch that they're "not leading" and they're "letting (insert political party, government branch, or enemy) get away with murder!"

230 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:11:59pm

re: #221 jaunte

Exactly. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. If you're in a position of authority, just do what you believe to be right. And, on a side note, try to sell it right. "Cause that really matters to critters like us.

231 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:12:29pm

re: #227 Nimed

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

heh...imagine how I felt, when mine were only $250
class warfare

232 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:12:31pm

re: #209 MandyManners

MOMMA' BEARS RULE!

Perhaps. But they don't have apostrophes.

233 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:12:45pm

re: #225 MandyManners

*smooch*

You are my fav Mandy..Good Mama and straight up honest..Rare these days
You go girl

234 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:13:01pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the earlier Michelle outrages was people being upset about some expensive sneakers she was wearing.

Mere de Dieu...

235 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:13:07pm

re: #218 MandyManners

No problem Mandy. I grew up being on the shit side of bullying. I know what it's like.

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:13:08pm

re: #228 Aceofwhat?

i enlarged it but i still can't quite make out the little animal she(?) drew next to the ObamaBeast...looks like a muzzled rocking horse...i must have missed that chapter in Revelations/

It's a frog.

237 ryannon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:13:24pm

re: #226 albusteve

I did my best...now you make me look like a fool

Only a fool could make you look like a fool, Steve.

But that's ok, I get the message.

Logging back out.

238 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:14:09pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Glad it got taken care of Mandy. Both you and your son stood strong on this one and got the bullying to stop. Bravo!

Here's the thing that makes me think that his parents will wear his ass out/deliver appropriately P.C.-behavior modification effects:

He cried in the hall-way in front of his victim.

But, you know what? I don't care.

239 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:15:05pm

re: #227 Nimed

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

i thought that stimulating the economy was good...?

240 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:16:24pm

re: #238 MandyManners

Here's the thing that makes me think that his parents will wear his ass out/deliver appropriately P.C.-behavior modification effects:

He cried in the hall-way in front of his victim.

But, you know what? I don't care.

yes you do or you wouldn't post about it...they are just kids

241 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:16:34pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Perhaps. But they don't have apostrophes.

What? What appostrophe?

242 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:16:50pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Just occasional divagations.

243 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:17:29pm

re: #238 MandyManners

Here's the thing that makes me think that his parents will wear his ass out/deliver appropriately P.C.-behavior modification effects:

He cried in the hall-way in front of his victim.

But, you know what? I don't care.

Nor should you. He's not your problem, except as far as his behavior impacts you and you son.

244 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:18:22pm

hahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

245 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:19:43pm

CATO?

246 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:20:09pm

re: #239 Aceofwhat?

i thought that stimulating the economy was good...?

Oh, I'm not hating. This isn't rational -- it's just... my first reaction to $1200 sneakers was, well, shock.

It's not even high heels, where we are more or less used to hear about stratospheric prices. It's sneakers, you know?

247 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:20:12pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Good for you, Mandy!

248 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:20:16pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Nor should you. He's not your problem, except as far as his behavior impacts you and you son.

we are all of the same nest...
except you and Mandy

249 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:20:18pm

re: #227 Nimed

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

What about her off-the-rack $148 dress?

Or shall we talk about Cindy McCain's $300,000 ensemble.

The faux outrage over the First Lady's wardrobe is a bunch of BS.

250 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:20:42pm

re: #238 MandyManners

I'm glad it got resolved. Just realize, that like the kids who bullied me, b/c I was "different", they came from broken family circumstances just like mine. It doesn't make what they did right. But it helped me to see them in a new light. As trying to figure out what was wrong in their own way. Violence, or the response of violence only keeps the cycle going. And that is ultimately not good.

251 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:20:48pm

re: #227 Nimed

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

I found them.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
They were $500ish Lanvin sneakers...really fucking cute...if I was rich I'd probably buy them too.
That's the awesome thing about having money, you can waste it on stuff that is way overpriced.
BUT there are a number of buying sites now that one can join and get discounts on high end stuff so who knows how much she spent.
Have we ever cared how much a First Lady spent on her clothes before?
I also think she has a shopper who buys stuff...
Why am I going on about sneakers?

252 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:21:00pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Perhaps. But they don't have apostrophes.

Just to make sure:

Momma'.

253 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:21:24pm

re: #246 Nimed

Oh, I'm not hating. This isn't rational -- it's just... my first reaction to $1200 sneakers was, well, shock.

It's not even high heels, where we are more or less used to hear about stratospheric prices. It's sneakers, you know?

ruby sneakers is what I heard

254 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:21:58pm

re: #240 albusteve

yes you do or you wouldn't post about it...they are just kids

You're right.

255 ryannon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:22:02pm

re: #238 MandyManners

Here's the thing that makes me think that his parents will wear his ass out/deliver appropriately P.C.-behavior modification effects:

He cried in the hall-way in front of his victim.

But, you know what? I don't care.

It would be neat if they became friends after this. You can learn a lot - in a good way - from your former enemy, and vice-versa.

256 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:22:04pm

re: #227 Nimed

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

Probably made in China by a worker that earn $4000 a year. None of this is a surprise to me since it's a reflection of how this country operates. The rich rule and the WWII veteran that in his 90s get evicted from his $63 dollar a month apartment in NYC.

257 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:22:47pm

re: #246 Nimed

New Balance running shoes are made in America..Support them..effen Nike!

258 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:22:50pm

re: #249 marjoriemoon

What about her off-the-rack $148 dress?

Or shall we talk about Cindy McCain's $300,000 ensemble.

The faux outrage over the First Lady's wardrobe is a bunch of BS.

Agreed. $1200 do seems silly to me, but if they weren't bought with taxpayer money I don't care. Michelle Obama may spend her money the way she wishes within the law, the same right given to all of us.

259 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:23:03pm

Heh, they get in a ruckus if Michelle buys herself some expensive clothes with her own cash, but when Sarah ran up the GOP's credit card on a wardrobe for herself, they were oddly silent.

Can't imagine why. *rolls his eyes*

260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:23:22pm

Evening Honcos.

261 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:23:23pm

Good evening LGF.

262 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:23:45pm

re: #249 marjoriemoon

What about her off-the-rack $148 dress?

Or shall we talk about Cindy McCain's $300,000 ensemble.

The faux outrage over the First Lady's wardrobe is a bunch of BS.

really...she's in Spain wearing a shirt with only one sleeve, poor woman

263 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:12pm

re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar

Evening Honcos.

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

Good evening LGF.

...you two share a cab on the way here and split the fare?

264 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:20pm

re: #245 MandyManners

CATO?

There is no apostrophe in momma.

Or in gonna.

265 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:29pm

re: #246 Nimed

Oh, I'm not hating. This isn't rational -- it's just... my first reaction to $1200 sneakers was, well, shock.

It's not even high heels, where we are more or less used to hear about stratospheric prices. It's sneakers, you know?

oh, sure. i think it's crazy. and i'm a dude who really likes shoes...

but you have to love conservatives bagging on someone for spending 'ostentatiously' and liberals defending it...talk about putting the shoe on the other foot!

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:44pm

re: #263 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...you two share a cab on the way here and split the fare?

No way. He's a mean drunk.
/

267 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:46pm

G'nite night owls Spare and CCA. It's a Friday night and no bar fights yet.

268 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:58pm
269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:25:28pm

re: #267 Irenicum

G'nite night owls Spare and CCA. It's a Friday night and no bar fights yet.

It's early.
/

270 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:25:34pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Today's wingnut outrageous outrage seems to be the first lady's vacation. Outrageous!

Right, because Nancy Reagan never pampered herself in the 8 years she was first lady.

Race baiting? There's none of that going on here. The fat man says so.

271 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:26:16pm

re: #268 Gus 802

I shared that on my FB page a week ago. Damn straight. And yet I still have hope.

272 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:26:28pm

re: #254 MandyManners

You're right.

I brawled with a kid during football and afterward for two seasons, freshman and sophmore high school....and he's been my best friend now for over forty years...you never know

273 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:26:49pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Nor should you. He's not your problem, except as far as his behavior impacts you and you son.

I do care about him because he is a child who has touched The Kid's life.

I'll stop now. This is a private, conservative/fundamenatist school that teaches Darwin in class, and Christ in chapel.

274 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:26:49pm

re: #271 Irenicum

I shared that on my FB page a week ago. Damn straight. And yet I still have hope.

I don't. It's only going to get worse.

275 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:26:58pm

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

True. Too true.

276 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:27:06pm

re: #194 lostlakehiker

Pretty much a snapshot of the human condition. Many of us are in good health and happy, others are in not so good health but happy anyhow, and some are in good health, have good jobs, good friends and loving families, but are nevertheless unhappy.

None of us will last forever. Carpe diem.

re: #200 albusteve

no time like the present Nastradamus used to say

No time OTHER THAN the present.

277 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:27:20pm

I stilll don't quite have this figured out, but it's time for some sleeps

you know I'm gone insane - laughing at the frozen rain....

278 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:27:46pm

re: #263 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...you two share a cab on the way here and split the fare?

On the advice of counsel I refuse to answer that question.

279 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:27:46pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. $1200 do seems silly to me, but if they weren't bought with taxpayer money I don't care. Michelle Obama may spend her money the way she wishes within the law, the same right given to all of us.

They weren't $1200 anyway.

I suppose Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan shopped at thrift stores?

Nancy Reagan, talk about decked to the nines.

280 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:27:51pm

re: #249 marjoriemoon

What about her off-the-rack $148 dress?

Or shall we talk about Cindy McCain's $300,000 ensemble.

The faux outrage over the First Lady's wardrobe is a bunch of BS.

:) Oh, I remember the talk about that dress.

But don't want to make this about our first dudette. It's the concept of a $1200 pair of sneakers, ok? That they exist! Sneakers are supposed to be casual clothing and all that.

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:28:06pm

Is this place only running slow for me?

282 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:28:12pm

re: #273 MandyManners

I do care about him because he is a child who has touched The Kid's life.

I'll stop now. This is a private, conservative/fundamenatist school that teaches Darwin in class, and Christ in chapel.

right on

283 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:29:07pm

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

284 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:29:09pm

re: #273 MandyManners

I do care about him because he is a child who has touched The Kid's life.

I'll stop now. This is a private, conservative/fundamenatist school that teaches Darwin in class, and Christ in chapel.

Fair enough. I'm wise enough to know that I know absolutely nothing about parenting and the working with schools that goes with it.

285 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:29:12pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. $1200 do seems silly to me, but if they weren't bought with taxpayer money I don't care. Michelle Obama may spend her money the way she wishes within the law, the same right given to all of us.

how come nobody fact checked the $1200 sneaks?

286 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:29:12pm

re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is this place only running slow for me?

Wwwwwhhhhhaaaaaattttttt mmmmmmaaaaaakkkkkeeeessss yyyyyooooouuuu tttttthhhhhhiiiiiiinnnnnnkkkkk ttttttthhhhhhaaaaaatttttt?

/

287 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:29:43pm

re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is this place only running slow for me?

It's the pricey shoes.

288 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:00pm

re: #279 marjoriemoon

They weren't $1200 anyway.

I suppose Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan shopped at thrift stores?

Nancy Reagan, talk about decked to the nines.

all of which a real conservative would celebrate...we're supposed to like it when the wealthy purchase things! spend, o ye wealthy folks! we'll take it!

289 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:18pm

re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is this place only running slow for me?

yep

290 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:18pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

oh man...the best sort of critter, do something for it

291 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:22pm

re: #274 Gus 802

I hope you're wrong. And yet I fear you may be right. I'll keep hoping against all hope.

292 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:25pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

Just looking for its fifteen minutes of fame. And it got them!

293 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:25pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

I think I can hear him from here. He's saying, "let me in and feed me!"

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:27pm

You people are mean.
/

295 mich-again  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:28pm

Hey lady, I 'll trade ya a phone, a TV, a camera, a videocam, and an alarm clock for those $1,200 sneakers.

296 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:30:46pm

re: #294 Cannadian Club Akbar

You people are mean.
/

And your point is?

/

297 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:31:17pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

No, it's trying to hypnotize you like Obama did to me and millions of others back in 2008. Be careful, that cat has a political agenda.

298 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:31:20pm

re: #279 marjoriemoon

They weren't $1200 anyway.

I suppose Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan shopped at thrift stores?

Nancy Reagan, talk about decked to the nines.

Yep, and in neither case do I care about the money. My taxes didn't pay for it and that's my only concern. Note: Tax money paid to an elected official as their salary is of course exempt from my "my taxes" point.

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:31:29pm

re: #296 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And your point is?

/

Just a reminder.

300 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:31:54pm

re: #297 palomino

No, it's trying to hypnotize you like Obama did to me and millions of others back in 2008. Be careful, that cat has a political agenda.

All glory to the Hypnotoad!

/

301 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:32:01pm

re: #293 Gus 802

My cats had telepathic command over the dog, who would wake us when they wanted in. Since the dog dies, they have to yowl at the door until we hear them.
The cat is probably trying his mental abilities on Charles.

302 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:32:54pm

re: #251 webevintage

I found them.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
They were $500ish Lanvin sneakers...really fucking cute...if I was rich I'd probably buy them too.
That's the awesome thing about having money, you can waste it on stuff that is way overpriced.
BUT there are a number of buying sites now that one can join and get discounts on high end stuff so who knows how much she spent.
Have we ever cared how much a First Lady spent on her clothes before?
I also think she has a shopper who buys stuff...
Why am I going on about sneakers?

Ah, they're "just" around $550. Well, they're very cool, I must admit. Still, I don't think I would be able to spend more than, say, $150 tops for footwear.

303 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:32:58pm

re: #283 Charles

Meowinzinator. Meowzinator. Meowzinator.

Just look away Charles!

They have powers you can't comprehend!

304 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:33:02pm

How about a nice pair of 1500 dollar shoes?
[Link: www.forbes.com...]

305 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:33:19pm

re: #285 albusteve

how come nobody fact checked the $1200 sneaks?

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
They were a bit over $500....

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #227 Nimed

To be honest, I find $1200 sneakers to be a bit shocking myself.

I don't know if it was 1200, or 600 or what. Can't recall. It was a really stupid amount of money to pay for some sneakers, but on the other hand, at least it was sneakers, and not those high heels that cost 800 bucks a pair.

307 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:33:40pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

Perhaps you should feed it and see what happens. If it seems tame enough, consider adopting it. Cats are wonderful pets, IMO.

308 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:33:50pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

How about a nice pair of 1500 dollar shoes?
[Link: www.forbes.com...]

Nice, but you can't run from the cops in them.

309 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:34:16pm

re: #291 Irenicum

I hope you're wrong. And yet I fear you may be right. I'll keep hoping against all hope.

Well, don't take my word for it. That's just how I see it after being on this Earth for almost half a century. Mostly from voting and having lost any hope for politicians changing anything. Carlin is right in that they are the tools of the super-elite (aka the super-rich) and we're just the minons. I also know this now because I know how easy it is to lose everything (although I haven't yet) if you don't keep up with your finances regardless of the situation.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:34:17pm

re: #231 albusteve

heh...imagine how I felt, when mine were only $250
class warfare

It's only class warfare if you run up and stomp on Michelle's new sneakers.

But I wouldn't advise that, since the Secret Service would then proceed to stomp you.

311 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:34:18pm

re: #265 Aceofwhat?

oh, sure. i think it's crazy. and i'm a dude who really likes shoes...

but you have to love conservatives bagging on someone for spending 'ostentatiously' and liberals defending it...talk about putting the shoe on the other foot!

Well done, Sir.

312 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:34:42pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

How about a nice pair of 1500 dollar shoes?
[Link: www.forbes.com...]

These are much more comfortable: [Link: www.lucchese.com...]

313 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:35:29pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

It's only class warfare if you run up and stomp on Michelle's new sneakers.

But I wouldn't advise that, since the Secret Service would then proceed to stomp you.

that doesn't bother me...it's the fifty years of jail time

314 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:36:15pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

How about a nice pair of 1500 dollar shoes?
[Link: www.forbes.com...]

I wish I could buy a pair of those, but they'd cost me even more. I have size 14 feet and once you get above size 13 the cost takes a jump upward.

315 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:36:17pm

re: #280 Nimed

:) Oh, I remember the talk about that dress.

But don't want to make this about our first dudette. It's the concept of a $1200 pair of sneakers, ok? That they exist! Sneakers are supposed to be casual clothing and all that.

They weren't $1200. They were $540. She was volunteering at a food bank wearing expensive shoes. No one remembers that part. Just her shoes? Gah!

The point, and I know you know... but it gets my poor Converse in a twist... is that it's a ridiculous thing to nitpick her about. She's the First Lady and she's supposed to look good.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:36:44pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

I wish I could buy a pair of those, but they'd cost me even more. I have size 14 feet and once you get above size 13 the cost takes a jump upward.

Show off.

317 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:36:46pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

I wish I could buy a pair of those, but they'd cost me even more. I have size 14 feet and once you get above size 13 the cost takes a jump upward.

holy crap, dude. how tall are you again?

318 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:09pm

re: #268 Gus 802

George Carlin ~ The American Dream


[Video]

To be sure, it's the truth. And yet, I remember another equally old truth - "Yes, I know the game is rigged. It's also the only game in town"

You can not win when you refuse to play.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:21pm

re: #249 marjoriemoon

What about her off-the-rack $148 dress?

Or shall we talk about Cindy McCain's $300,000 ensemble.

The faux outrage over the First Lady's wardrobe is a bunch of BS.

It is.

OTOH, it's Cindy's money, and she can blow it however she likes. (Ditto for Michelle.)

I was fascinated with Cindy's clothes during the RNC. She has very unique and sort of weird taste, and clearly spends a lot on her clothes.

But if she were first lady right now, I do not think the wingnutosphere would care how much she spent on herself and her family.

Nor should they.

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:28pm

re: #317 Aceofwhat?

holy crap, dude. how tall are you again?

5' 2".
/

321 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:35pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

I wish I could buy a pair of those, but they'd cost me even more. I have size 14 feet and once you get above size 13 the cost takes a jump upward.

Imagine the price Shaq pays for shoes..Oh wait..They are free

322 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:38pm

re: #315 marjoriemoon

They weren't $1200. They were $540. She was volunteering at a food bank wearing expensive shoes. No one remembers that part. Just her shoes? Gah!

The point, and I know you know... but it gets my poor Converse in a twist... is that it's a ridiculous thing to nitpick her about. She's the First Lady and she's supposed to look good.

AND Hello... Her J. Crew cardigan? How much did that set her back? $30?

323 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:40pm

hello LGF!
the $1200 shoes was made up....a joke!

324 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:37:52pm

re: #317 Aceofwhat?

holy crap, dude. how tall are you again?

6'4".

325 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:38:00pm

You folks need a ceremonial head of state, like a Queen or a Governor-General.

326 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:38:08pm

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

5' 2".
/

Leprechaun with a shillelagh.

327 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:38:41pm

re: #309 Gus 802

Age wise I'm in the same boat. I've seen the promises and the results. I'm not waiting for a political messiah from either the left or the right. I'm an epistemological realist and one who readily recognizes that we see very little of what is real, and through lens' that shapes even what we see.

328 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:39:21pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if it was 1200, or 600 or what. Can't recall. It was a really stupid amount of money to pay for some sneakers, but on the other hand, at least it was sneakers, and not those high heels that cost 800 bucks a pair.

Ah! My reasoning here was precisely the opposite -- because sneakers are casual, I find it more surprising that people out there get away with charging 550 bucks for a pair.

329 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:39:24pm

re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist

It is.

OTOH, it's Cindy's money, and she can blow it however she likes. (Ditto for Michelle.)

I was fascinated with Cindy's clothes during the RNC. She has very unique and sort of weird taste, and clearly spends a lot on her clothes.

But if she were first lady right now, I do not think the wingnutosphere would care how much she spent on herself and her family.

Nor should they.

But they do care about Michelle's wardrobe. She's a brilliant woman who made her own way in life (and did rather well), a loving husband, darling daughters and what do they go after? Her clothes. It's sick.

330 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:39:46pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

You folks need a ceremonial head of state, like a Queen or a Governor-General.

What makes you say that?

331 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #315 marjoriemoon

They weren't $1200. They were $540. She was volunteering at a food bank wearing expensive shoes. No one remembers that part. Just her shoes? Gah!

The point, and I know you know... but it gets my poor Converse in a twist... is that it's a ridiculous thing to nitpick her about. She's the First Lady and she's supposed to look good.

Definitely. And is she really any more self-luxuriating and ostentatious than other recent first ladies? Hillary's ugly hats and Barbara Bush's ugly brooches weren't free.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:39:58pm

re: #251 webevintage

I found them.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
They were $500ish Lanvin sneakers...really fucking cute...if I was rich I'd probably buy them too.
That's the awesome thing about having money, you can waste it on stuff that is way overpriced.
BUT there are a number of buying sites now that one can join and get discounts on high end stuff so who knows how much she spent.
Have we ever cared how much a First Lady spent on her clothes before?
I also think she has a shopper who buys stuff...
Why am I going on about sneakers?

They're extremely cute, but I'm the women who wore a 210-dollar dress to her own wedding because what they were asking for these gowns made out of polyester satin mortally offended me.

Seriously. A pair of red Converse are NEVER out of style.

333 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:40:33pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

You folks need a ceremonial head of state, like a Queen or a Governor-General.

we have Tony Romo instead

334 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:40:43pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a pair of white Chucks.

335 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:41:13pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

What do yoiu want to do?

Put out food/water in two bowls. Make sure that you scent is present.

Just keep on doing that.

336 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:41:39pm

re: #325 Spare O'Lake

You folks need a ceremonial head of state, like a Queen or a Governor-General.

We have one already. Only we address her as "Madam Speaker."

/

337 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:42:02pm

re: #323 albusteve

hello LGF!
the $1200 shoes was made up...a joke!

So... You're the one who started the $1200 price false rumor.

GET HIM!

338 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:42:24pm

re: #335 MandyManners

What do yoiu want to do?

Put out food/water in two bowls. Make sure that you scent is present.

Just keep on doing that.

*eeep*

Our cat is doig well.

339 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:42:32pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. $1200 do seems silly to me, but if they weren't bought with taxpayer money I don't care. Michelle Obama may spend her money the way she wishes within the law, the same right given to all of us.

A. They retail for $520, not $1200
B. $500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative.

They, the Regan's, and Kennedy's have millions, so $500.00 sneakers to someone with a millions, is less of a expense than $50 ones if you only make say 100K.
i.e., I've seen folks bet $5000 a hand at blackjack at the casino and worry less than I do at $50/hand.

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:42:34pm

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Heh, they get in a ruckus if Michelle buys herself some expensive clothes with her own cash, but when Sarah ran up the GOP's credit card on a wardrobe for herself, they were oddly silent.

Can't imagine why. *rolls his eyes*

I think investing in Sarah's wardrobe was not actually a bad idea on the GOP's part. A man can run for national office in three suits, six shirts and some ties, but a woman can't, and that's just the way it is. She needed stuff to wear, and the family needed stuff because they were on the road with her. Giving her a chunk of change made sense.

I would have done it differently, for political reasons, but the basic move was sound.

341 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:42:49pm

re: #335 MandyManners

What do yoiu want to do?

Put out food/water in two bowls. Make sure that you scent is present.

Just keep on doing that.

hehe We don't adopt them. They adopt us.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:42:54pm

re: #262 albusteve

really...she's in Spain wearing a shirt with only one sleeve, poor woman

My heart is bleeding for her and her toned shoulders.

343 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:43:03pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

What makes you say that?

Then they could take all the flack for meaningless fashion stuff like what clothes they wear and how much it costs, and no one would care much about what the first lady wears.

344 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:43:06pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

6'4".

cool. i had no idea. i made it to 6' and stopped there...

345 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:43:16pm

Lizards..Buy New Balance shoes..They are made in America...
Why pay 500 dollars for sneakers when a kid making them makes 20 cents an hour?
Support America

346 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:43:17pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously. A pair of red Converse are NEVER out of style.

QFT

347 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:43:19pm

re: #333 albusteve

we have Tony Romo the Manning brothers instead

Fixed. When gets a Superbowl ring we can talk about Romo in that light.

348 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:43:55pm

re: #318 wlewisiii

To be sure, it's the truth. And yet, I remember another equally old truth - "Yes, I know the game is rigged. It's also the only game in town"

You can not win when you refuse to play.

People lose even after they thought they have won and played the game. It happens every minute of the day and there is little or no mercy.

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:44:06pm

re: #344 Aceofwhat?

cool. i had no idea. i made it to 6' and stopped there...

Slacker.
/

350 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:44:50pm

re: #339 avanti

B. $500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative.


I don't think I'm up to that yet in lifetime haircut expenses.

351 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:45:17pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

I think investing in Sarah's wardrobe was not actually a bad idea on the GOP's part. A man can run for national office in three suits, six shirts and some ties, but a woman can't, and that's just the way it is. She needed stuff to wear, and the family needed stuff because they were on the road with her. Giving her a chunk of change made sense.

I would have done it differently, for political reasons, but the basic move was sound.

Agreed. She needed high end outfits and she didn't own many, having not needed them. You're right that a woman in the spotlight simply has much greater fashion needs than a man.

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:45:30pm

re: #279 marjoriemoon

They weren't $1200 anyway.

I suppose Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan shopped at thrift stores?

Nancy Reagan, talk about decked to the nines.

Laura wasn't much of a clotheshorse. Or no one was interested in her clothes. She mostly just seemed to be wearing the Lands' End catalog.

353 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:45:32pm

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Lizards..Buy New Balance shoes..They are made in America...
Why pay 500 dollars for sneakers when a kid making them makes 20 cents an hour?
Support America

...but my last purchase, a pair of Adidas, look sooo good on the court...i had to get them, dude. i had to.

354 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:45:34pm

re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist

My heart is bleeding for her and her toned shoulders.

I could take her...
I have six pack abs

355 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:45:56pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

Dammit, Charles. I never comment on your off-line life but, ADOPT THAT CAT.

356 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:46:26pm

re: #283 Charles

Feed it, if you want a cat... Otherwise, harden your heart.

357 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:46:31pm

re: #339 avanti

A. They retail for $520, not $1200
B. $500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative.

They, the Regan's, and Kennedy's have millions, so $500.00 sneakers to someone with a millions, is less of a expense than $50 ones if you only make say 100K.
i.e., I've seen folks bet $5000 a hand at blackjack at the casino and worry less than I do at $50/hand.

Sorry, but no. That is if you're saying that "$500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative" to what the working poor experience in this country I would say not.

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:46:35pm

re: #280 Nimed

:) Oh, I remember the talk about that dress.

But don't want to make this about our first dudette. It's the concept of a $1200 pair of sneakers, ok? That they exist! Sneakers are supposed to be casual clothing and all that.

Oh, yeah, the green thing. Like I say, Cindy knows what she likes.

359 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:46:50pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

I think investing in Sarah's wardrobe was not actually a bad idea on the GOP's part. A man can run for national office in three suits, six shirts and some ties, but a woman can't, and that's just the way it is. She needed stuff to wear, and the family needed stuff because they were on the road with her. Giving her a chunk of change made sense.

I would have done it differently, for political reasons, but the basic move was sound.

Oh we can't forget Palin and her Naughty Monkeys.

360 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:46:56pm

"It's called the American Dream 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it."

--George Carlin

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:47:11pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

It's been sent by the Obama administration, Charles. The fact that you can see it indicates that your programming may be wearing off.

Quick! Do something!

362 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:47:22pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Fixed. When gets a Superbowl ring we can talk about Romo in that light.

Eli wears a diaper during games, I don't know about the other one

363 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:47:37pm

Olberman's new book cover

[Link: yfrog.com...]

now it's really time for some sleeps

364 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:47:49pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

All glory to the HypnoCat!

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:48:18pm

re: #288 Aceofwhat?

all of which a real conservative would celebrate...we're supposed to like it when the wealthy purchase things! spend, o ye wealthy folks! we'll take it!

Back when the economy went dowwwwwwn, George Swig cancelled his birthday party, out of some notion of not looking ostentatious, and there was some outcry in San Francisco. People pointed out that a lot of paychecks were going to come out of his soiree.

366 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:48:42pm

re: #360 Cato the Elder

"It's called the American Dream 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it."

--George Carlin

Solipism.

367 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:48:51pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Sorry, but no. That is if you're saying that "$500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative" to what the working poor experience in this country I would say not.

agreed...half kidding aside

368 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:03pm

re: #355 MandyManners

Dammit, Charles. I never comment on your off-line life but, ADOPT THAT CAT.

Concur, though he should make sure its tame enough first. But it sounds like it is. Some places have feral cats that have come into adulthood never having been around humans. Most of those don't make very good pets. But this sounds like a stray, not a feral.

369 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:04pm

re: #339 avanti

A. They retail for $520, not $1200
B. $500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative.

They, the Regan's, and Kennedy's have millions, so $500.00 sneakers to someone with a millions, is less of a expense than $50 ones if you only make say 100K.
i.e., I've seen folks bet $5000 a hand at blackjack at the casino and worry less than I do at $50/hand.

It still doesn't do wonders when it comes to showing you're in touch with the working class.

Sorry, I'm normally an Obama apologist, but there's so excuse for wearing $500 sneakers to the store. If it's a formal dinner or state function, by all means, go all out, for casual wear there no reason not to keep it inside the realm of what mortals wear.

370 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:13pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Sorry, but no. That is if you're saying that "$500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative" to what the working poor experience in this country I would say not.

poor person starts small business
rich person spends money at said business
poor person is no longer poor
etc.

it doesn't make any sense to mourn a wealthy person spending lavishly...it's like complaining that the rain is getting on the grass...

371 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:16pm

re: #362 albusteve

Eli wears a diaper during games, I don't know about the other one

Yes! I hate Eli with a passion.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:39pm

re: #302 Nimed

Ah, they're "just" around $550. Well, they're very cool, I must admit. Still, I don't think I would be able to spend more than, say, $150 tops for footwear.

Oh, you could get me up to $550, or higher, if I had the money, but we'd be talking good, handcrafted leather.

NOT sneaks from Lanvin.

373 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:45pm

Because it's so important, I have shoes that flap when I walk. I have sneakers that suck up space as I step and make noises I'd prefer they not make. Do I begrudge those able to buy better, newer shoes, of whatever type? Nope. More power to them. They're better off than I am. I'm OK with that. I thought that was a left wing gripe? Apparently the newest "new" right has bought into the old left behavior of saying that someone doing better than me is an inherent infringement of my basic rights. Sorry, but that's just not true. We're all human. Unless you think some are more "equal" than others.

374 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:49:59pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Fixed. When gets a Superbowl ring we can talk about Romo in that light.

That's why Brett Favre remains my favorite modern player. For all of his foibles & he's got, god knows, plenty, he's got a ring. Before it & after it, he plays the hell out of every second he's on the field and the way it will end is when they haul his ass off in an ambulance.

In the end, that's more than enough for me.

375 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:50:00pm

re: #363 Thanos

Olberman's new book cover

[Link: yfrog.com...]

now it's really time for some sleeps

Pot, meet kettle. Olberjerk shouldn't be talking about posturing.

376 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:50:10pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. She needed high end outfits and she didn't own many, having not needed them. You're right that a woman in the spotlight simply has much greater fashion needs than a man.

It's the fact that she lost half of it that was the problem.

377 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:50:42pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Concur, though he should make sure its tame enough first. But it sounds like it is. Some places have feral cats that have come into adulthood never having been around humans. Most of those don't make very good pets. But this sounds like a stray, not a feral.

are you kidding?...feral cats make excellent pets

378 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:50:49pm

re: #362 albusteve

Eli wears a diaper during games, I don't know about the other one

Eli owns one of those SuperBowl rings...He has more toughness in his little finger than you have in your whole body..Try a little humbleness...
/Can't wait till football steve..We'll have fun here

379 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:50:51pm

re: #348 Gus 802

People lose even after they thought they have won and played the game. It happens every minute of the day and there is little or no mercy.

No disagreement. Just a reminder.

380 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:51:00pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

I think investing in Sarah's wardrobe was not actually a bad idea on the GOP's part. A man can run for national office in three suits, six shirts and some ties, but a woman can't, and that's just the way it is.

Don't give up, things can change. Fight the power! Down with Big Fashion.

By the way, what's acceptable as a man's wardrobe is changing, you know? Stupid expensive demands are slowly creeping in. While America is worrying about Sharia, designers are working behind the scenes to make men pay 10 times more just to be able to enter a downtown bar. And not a peep from the MSM on this!

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:51:38pm

re: #329 marjoriemoon

But they do care about Michelle's wardrobe. She's a brilliant woman who made her own way in life (and did rather well), a loving husband, darling daughters and what do they go after? Her clothes. It's sick.

Also, her desire to have the children of America eat fresh vegetables.

382 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:51:41pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

The cat has chosen you, you are now home to that cat. Don't fight it. Just give in.

This seems to happen to us regularly, we have, now, 4 cats that have chosen us, and a fifth one that looks like he's really content here.

383 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:51:43pm

re: #365 SanFranciscoZionist

Back when the economy went dowwwn, George Swig cancelled his birthday party, out of some notion of not looking ostentatious, and there was some outcry in San Francisco. People pointed out that a lot of paychecks were going to come out of his soiree.

exactly. ostentatious is just a snarky way of saying "share the wealth"!

384 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:51:47pm

re: #370 Aceofwhat?

poor person starts small business
rich person spends money at said business
poor person is no longer poor
etc.

it doesn't make any sense to mourn a wealthy person spending lavishly...it's like complaining that the rain is getting on the grass...

There's a large point. If such a system worked we'd be seeing it's positive effects by now. Most of the time the trickle isn't there. On another note, the wealthy do not frequent a poor man's business.

385 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:52:15pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Sorry, but no. That is if you're saying that "$500 sneakers and $400 hair cuts are all relative" to what the working poor experience in this country I would say not.

If I were a millionaire, I'd own a few cars that cost more than Joe Six packs house, and not loose sleep over it. BTW, I'd gladly pay the extra 3% in tax in the roll back of the Bush tax cuts to remove any guilt.
I've seen the very rich, and I don't begrudge them their wealth, although I flinch when I see them drop a million or more at a card table in one evening.

386 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:52:46pm

re: #371 Mr Pancakes

Yes! I hate Eli with a passion.

I hate the Gints period...almost as much as the Eagles
spit...and Archie was a first class asshole, tell him I said so when you see him

387 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:53:03pm

re: #378 HoosierHoops

Eli owns one of those SuperBowl rings...He has more toughness in his little finger than you have in your whole body..Try a little humbleness...
/Can't wait till football steve..We'll have fun here

He got lucky. He's not tough...... he hides behind daddy.

388 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:53:12pm

re: #385 avanti

If I were a millionaire, I'd own a few cars that cost more than Joe Six packs house, and not loose sleep over it. BTW, I'd gladly pay the extra 3% in tax in the roll back of the Bush tax cuts to remove any guilt.
I've seen the very rich, and I don't begrudge them their wealth, although I flinch when I see them drop a million or more at a card table in one evening.

Well then. That's the idea and some of what Carlin touched upon although nuanced...

"If I were a millionaire."

389 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:53:50pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, you could get me up to $550, or higher, if I had the money, but we'd be talking good, handcrafted leather.

NOT sneaks from Lanvin.

I'm truly unimpressed...that's a lot of soup

390 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:11pm

If I were rich I would buy everyone a kitten. Except Charles.

391 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:33pm

re: #373 Irenicum

Because it's so important, I have shoes that flap when I walk. I have sneakers that suck up space as I step and make noises I'd prefer they not make. Do I begrudge those able to buy better, newer shoes, of whatever type? Nope. More power to them. They're better off than I am. I'm OK with that. I thought that was a left wing gripe? Apparently the newest "new" right has bought into the old left behavior of saying that someone doing better than me is an inherent infringement of my basic rights. Sorry, but that's just not true. We're all human. Unless you think some are more "equal" than others.

There's reasons why they go after Michelle Obama's wardrobe that have nothing to do with the price of the clothes, because the bulk of what she wears is what nearly every middle class woman wears.

But how dare she.

392 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:35pm

re: #390 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I were rich I would buy everyone a kitten. Except Charles.

Kittens are free

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:36pm

re: #354 albusteve

I could take her...
I have six pack abs

Steve, remember, Secret Service. 50 years in the federal pen.

394 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:42pm

re: #362 albusteve

Eli wears a diaper during games, I don't know about the other one

He wants to make sure he doesn't have to focus on anything but playing football. Both of the Mannings are ultra-dedicated to the game, with Peyton even more so than his brother. But they are sons of an NFL player who became a coach and the amount of study they've put into the game of football is just incredible. That how Peyton always knows when to get the play away before he gets hit and how Eli seems to avoid tackles that any other QB would have gotten caught by: They research their opposition very thoroughly.

395 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:46pm

re: #390 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think he has one now.

396 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:55:03pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Concur, though he should make sure its tame enough first. But it sounds like it is. Some places have feral cats that have come into adulthood never having been around humans. Most of those don't make very good pets. But this sounds like a stray, not a feral.

We're slowly adopting a stranger.

It's long and short. Probably wormy.

Who knows?

397 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:55:07pm

re: #369 Conservative Moonbat

It still doesn't do wonders when it comes to showing you're in touch with the working class.

Being in touch with the 'working class' is overrated. Those fine folks over at Freep, HotAir, et al...you think that's not the working class??

398 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #355 MandyManners

You've been discussing some bullying issues with your boy and it starting me thing about the bullies I've dealt with (mostly in my adult life). I rewatched the Coen brothers classic Miller's Crossing recently....
Miller's Crossing

I know it may not be your kind of movie and your boy is probably too young to watch it but there are some important bully lessons to be had from the flick. Stay true to yourself, accept the situation as it is, don't hold a grudge or take things personally, work the situation to your advantage, etc. Very zen.stoic stuff but I find it inspiring.

399 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:55:41pm

re: #378 HoosierHoops

Eli owns one of those SuperBowl rings...He has more toughness in his little finger than you have in your whole body..Try a little humbleness...
/Can't wait till football steve..We'll have fun here

football is not for the humble, and Eli is a HOF sissy

400 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:55:57pm

And you'll never be a millionaire. You will never strike it rich. You will never get all of the Powerball numbers nor will you win the Lottery.

401 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:56:05pm

re: #396 MandyManners

We're slowly adopting a stranger.

It's long and short. Probably wormy.

Who knows?

You're still talking about cats, right?
/

402 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:56:28pm

re: #359 marjoriemoon

Oh we can't forget Palin and her Naughty Monkeys.

Palin's clothes just work. I can't stand the woman, but I do like her style.

I also love Nancy Pelosi's clothes.

I myself, though, am more of a Claire McCaskill dresser.

403 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #390 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I were rich I would buy everyone a kitten. Except Charles.

All day long I'd yiddi-biddi-bum
If I were a wealthy man...

404 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:56:48pm

re: #373 Irenicum

Because it's so important, I have shoes that flap when I walk. I have sneakers that suck up space as I step and make noises I'd prefer they not make. Do I begrudge those able to buy better, newer shoes, of whatever type? Nope. More power to them. They're better off than I am. I'm OK with that. I thought that was a left wing gripe? Apparently the newest "new" right has bought into the old left behavior of saying that someone doing better than me is an inherent infringement of my basic rights. Sorry, but that's just not true. We're all human. Unless you think some are more "equal" than others.

Drive on and be well.

405 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:57:29pm

re: #387 Mr Pancakes

He got lucky. He's not tough... he hides behind daddy.

Not true. The Giants took down the Patriots through skill and excellent planning. Eli reads defenses better than Romo even will. But he was raised to be good at that, so his level of skill is not a surprise.

406 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:57:56pm

re: #399 albusteve

football is not for the humble, and Eli is a HOF sissy

Yep I agree.....

Game over.

407 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:58:03pm

re: #400 Gus 802

And you'll never be a millionaire. You will never strike it rich. You will never get all of the Powerball numbers nor will you win the Lottery.

What next, you're gonna scream that there is no Santa Claus?

/

408 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:58:03pm

re: #400 Gus 802

And you'll never be a millionaire. You will never strike it rich. You will never get all of the Powerball numbers nor will you win the Lottery.

You're ruining it.

409 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:58:16pm

re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin's clothes just work. I can't stand the woman, but I do like her style.

I also love Nancy Pelosi's clothes.

I myself, though, am more of a Claire McCaskill dresser.

I'll give her that.

Except for the gem encrusted flag pin you can see from space.

410 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:58:16pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Not true. The Giants took down the Patriots through skill and excellent planning. Eli reads defenses better than Romo even will. But he was raised to be good at that, so his level of skill is not a surprise.

The Giants punched Brady in the mouth.

411 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:58:47pm

re: #407 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What next, you're gonna scream that there is no Santa Claus?

/

Just SHUT UP!!!
/

412 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:00pm

re: #409 marjoriemoon

I'll give her that.

Except for the gem encrusted flag pin you can see from space.

I have one of those.

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:01pm

re: #392 Conservative Moonbat

Kittens are free

But only to good homes.

414 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:15pm

re: #396 MandyManners

We're slowly adopting a stranger.

It's long and short. Probably wormy.

Who knows?

Well, you could start putting heartworm pills in the food you give it.

415 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:16pm

re: #384 Gus 802

There's a large point. If such a system worked we'd be seeing it's positive effects by now. Most of the time the trickle isn't there. On another note, the wealthy do not frequent a poor man's business.

my family is an example of such positive effects. millions of people have been able to improve their situation through hard work, smart work, and personal integrity.

416 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:26pm

re: #387 Mr Pancakes

He got lucky. He's not tough... he hides behind daddy.

really? I didn't know daddy was playing that day...He got lucky on ONE Play in the Superbowl...Did you think the touchdown pass to win the SB was lucky..Did you see that fade pass in the endzone? Did Daddy throw it or did Eli?
There is luck in all sports...Romo has won exactly one playoff game in his whole life...Did you watch Eli at ole Miss? He is a damn good athlete that doesn't hide behind Jerry Jones money...I am proud of the Manning Family..
Nobody wears diapers in that family

417 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:31pm

re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin's clothes just work. I can't stand the woman, but I do like her style.

I also love Nancy Pelosi's clothes.

I myself, though, am more of a Claire McCaskill dresser.

Palin's style? That atrocious up-do thingy on her head didn't even look good on Dyan Cannon in 1970. It sure as hell doesn't look good now.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:59:41pm

re: #397 Aceofwhat?

Being in touch with the 'working class' is overrated. Those fine folks over at Freep, HotAir, et al...you think that's not the working class??

No, that's the Twittering class.

419 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:00:12pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

He wants to make sure he doesn't have to focus on anything but playing football. Both of the Mannings are ultra-dedicated to the game, with Peyton even more so than his brother. But they are sons of an NFL player who became a coach and the amount of study they've put into the game of football is just incredible. That how Peyton always knows when to get the play away before he gets hit and how Eli seems to avoid tackles that any other QB would have gotten caught by: They research their opposition very thoroughly.

bullshit...you have a way to go weedhoppa

420 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:00:27pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Not true. The Giants took down the Patriots through skill and excellent planning. Eli reads defenses better than Romo even will. But he was raised to be good at that, so his level of skill is not a surprise.

Philip Rivers is a better QB than Eli IMO........ I haven't seen too much out of Eli really......

421 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:00:37pm

re: #369 Conservative Moonbat

It still doesn't do wonders when it comes to showing you're in touch with the working class.

Sorry, I'm normally an Obama apologist, but there's so excuse for wearing $500 sneakers to the store. If it's a formal dinner or state function, by all means, go all out, for casual wear there no reason not to keep it inside the realm of what mortals wear.

So a pro sports guy should only were his 10K Rolex for formal events and not among mortals ? Where can he drive his Rolls ? No one has a right to tell anyone how to spend their money.

I have the feeling if the First lady showed up in a pair of $40 tennis shoes, the right would call it tacky way for the wife of the POTUS to dress. I find it refreshing that they both dress the way they want on occasion.

422 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:00:40pm
423 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:00:47pm

re: #417 palomino

Palin's style? That atrocious up-do thingy on her head didn't even look good on Dyan Cannon in 1970. It sure as hell doesn't look good now.

I don't know, it works for me.

424 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:00:49pm

re: #412 reine.de.tout

I have one of those.

The only reason she wore that thing was because of the bru-ha-ha over Obama being photographed pin-less.

425 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:01:00pm

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Giants punched Brady in the mouth.

Heck yes they did. The Giants defense had to hammer Tom Brady early and often and they set out to do just that.

426 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:01:05pm

re: #408 Racer X

You're ruining it.

Ruining what? The American dream? The fantasy?

427 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:01:25pm

OT:

So confused! The proponents of Prop 8 are appealing to the 9th District Court. Haven't they read the judgement? I mean what are they appealing? They got spanked on every single point!

This is going direct to the Supremes.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are postponing our divorce because this ruling makes our marriage moot until we see (as we say say in Texas) what transgresses. I hope I can stay married to my wife, but if Homos are allowed to marry each other, my marriage is obviously pointless.

428 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:01:29pm

re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin's clothes just work. I can't stand the woman, but I do like her style.

I also love Nancy Pelosi's clothes.

I myself, though, am more of a Claire McCaskill dresser.

Let us not forget . . .

429 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:01:40pm

I must be on another wavelength here. Only had one shot of whiskey in two weeks.

430 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:01:56pm

re: #422 Racer X

George Carlin Baseball vs Football


[Video]

That is the BEST!!

431 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:04pm

re: #397 Aceofwhat?

Being in touch with the 'working class' is overrated. Those fine folks over at Freep, HotAir, et al...you think that's not the working class??

being in touch with American royalty is even more over rated...but it makes for an easy 300 posts

432 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:08pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

I think investing in Sarah's wardrobe was not actually a bad idea on the GOP's part. A man can run for national office in three suits, six shirts and some ties, but a woman can't, and that's just the way it is.

She should have changed speeches once in a while too.

433 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:25pm

re: #421 avanti

damn straight Chief

434 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:30pm

re: #283 Charles

I have a stray cat that's attempting neurolinguistic programming on me. It sits outside my office window and meows, then stares fixedly at me if I come to the window.

It's trying to mesmerize me.

I think you have fallen for the cat's tricks.
It's got you trained to go to the window, so far....
LOL!

435 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:41pm

re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin's clothes just work. I can't stand the woman, but I do like her style.

I also love Nancy Pelosi's clothes.

I myself, though, am more of a Claire McCaskill dresser.

The fact that you admire anything about Pelosi means you are a "Totalitarian Progressive".

/Stalker logic

436 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:51pm

re: #416 HoosierHoops


There is luck in all sports...Romo has won exactly one playoff game in his whole life...Did you watch Eli at ole Miss?

JaMarcus Russell was great with LSU.

437 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:54pm

re: #417 palomino

Palin's style? That atrocious up-do thingy on her head didn't even look good on Dyan Cannon in 1970. It sure as hell doesn't look good now.

She's hot in her chest-waders.

438 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:02:58pm

Coming up next. How we invaded Iraq "for Freedom".

//

439 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:03:05pm

re: #329 marjoriemoon

But they do care about Michelle's wardrobe. She's a brilliant woman who made her own way in life (and did rather well), a loving husband, darling daughters and what do they go after? Her clothes. It's sick.

No evidence of brilliant, but I'll sign off on the rest of that.

440 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:03:48pm

re: #420 Mr Pancakes

Philip Rivers is a better QB than Eli IMO... I haven't seen too much out of Eli really...

What exactly has Rivers won? I'll wait

441 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:03:50pm

re: #434 Floral Giraffe

I think you have fallen for the cat's tricks.
It's got you trained to go to the window, so far...
LOL!

ahahaha!
submit Charles!
you cannot win

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:03:51pm

re: #427 austin_blue

OT:

So confused! The proponents of Prop 8 are appealing to the 9th District Court. Haven't they read the judgement? I mean what are they appealing? They got spanked on every single point!

This is going direct to the Supremes.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are postponing our divorce because this ruling makes our marriage moot until we see (as we say say in Texas) what transgresses. I hope I can stay married to my wife, but if Homos are allowed to marry each other, my marriage is obviously pointless.

My starry-eyed parents don't seem to understand that legal heterosexuality is over. They're blithely going off to spend the weekend up the coast for their anniversary, totally indifferent to the fact that gay people are now marrying each other.

Actually, they're not indifferent, my father called some local marriage equality organization, managed to get on the phone to the director, and talked her ear off for ten minutes about how excited he was. He's upset that weddings aren't going to resume immediately though.

443 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:03:59pm

re: #400 Gus 802

And you'll never be a millionaire. You will never strike it rich. You will never get all of the Powerball numbers nor will you win the Lottery.

Misfortune Cookies?

444 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:04:14pm

Kilgoe Trout

Stay true to yourself, accept the situation as it is, don't hold a grudge or take things personally, work the situation to your advantage, etc. Very zen.stoic stuff but I find it inspiring.

Thank you, Kilgore.

445 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:04:27pm

re: #443 Mich-again

Shit My Dad Says.

446 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:04:52pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

What exactly has Rivers won? I'll wait

Relax man....... I think Philip is better....... no big woop.

447 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:05:38pm

re: #432 Mich-again

She should have changed speeches once in a while too.

oh SNAP

448 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:05:44pm

re: #439 lostlakehiker

No evidence of brilliant, but I'll sign off on the rest of that.

Uh... yea, lots of evidence.

She attended Whitney Young High School, Chicago's first magnet high school, where she was on the honor roll for four years, took advanced placement classes, was a member of the National Honor Society and served as student council treasurer.[2] ... She graduated from high school in 1981 as salutatorian.[15][16]

Michelle was inspired to follow her brother to Princeton University;[3] he graduated in 1983. At Princeton, she challenged the teaching methodology for French because she felt that it should be more conversational.[17] As part of her requirements for graduation, she wrote a thesis entitled, "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."[18][19] "I remember being shocked," she says, "by college students who drove BMWs. I didn't even know parents who drove BMWs."[15] Robinson majored in sociology and minored in African American studies and graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in 1985.[2][20] She earned her Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Harvard Law School in 1988.[21] While at Harvard, she participated in political demonstrations advocating the hiring of professors who were members of minorities.[22] She is the third First Lady with a postgraduate degree, following Hillary Rodham Clinton and Laura Bush.[23] In July 2008, Obama accepted the invitation to become an honorary member of the 100-year-old black sorority Alpha Kappa Alpha, which had no active undergraduate chapter at Princeton when she attended.[24]

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:05:46pm

re: #432 Mich-again

She should have changed speeches once in a while too.

But the one about how being mayor is sort of like being a community organizer worked so well!

Seriously, if someone came to me right now and said I had to campaign for office with what I have in my closet, I'd be sunk. Palin has ten years on me, and a lot more money, and I assume she had some governor clothes, but it's not the same thing.

They needed to get her dressed.

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:05:53pm

re: #443 Mich-again

Misfortune Cookies?

Mine would say "You suck. Deal with it". Heh.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:06:08pm

re: #435 Dark_Falcon

The fact that you admire anything about Pelosi means you are a "Totalitarian Progressive".

/Stalker logic

We knew that, though.

I'm also a fascist eugenicist.

452 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:06:28pm

re: #427 austin_blue

OT:

So confused! The proponents of Prop 8 are appealing to the 9th District Court. Haven't they read the judgement? I mean what are they appealing? They got spanked on every single point!

This is going direct to the Supremes.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are postponing our divorce because this ruling makes our marriage moot until we see (as we say say in Texas) what transgresses. I hope I can stay married to my wife, but if Homos are allowed to marry each other, my marriage is obviously pointless.

Seems more like children throwing a hissy fit, after reading the details of the ruling. My guess is they'll bitch and whine about the judge's "bias" and how it should be grounds for overturning the decision. Pay no attention to the fact that this "biased" judge reduced their "case" to ashes, he's "gay" and thus his ruling is "wrong."

453 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:06:51pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

What exactly has Rivers won? I'll wait

wtf are you all hung up on winning SBs for?...it's one game out of 512 plus playoffs..are you saying a player cannot or will not be good or great unless he wins a SB?....and it's a team sport Rambo, which reminds me, Indy is lucky to eve have a team

454 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:06:55pm

re: #436 Mr Pancakes

JaMarcus Russell was great with LSU.

Only in one game ace...Ask a scout and get back with me..
*wink*
This is fun hope you are well this Friday night

455 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:07:05pm

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, it works for me.

I'll admit she's very sexy...for a politician. If she gets elected, at least we'll have a hot fascist for a president.

456 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:08:04pm
457 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:08:24pm

re: #455 palomino

You made me swallow an olive pit.

458 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:09:05pm

re: #453 albusteve

Scoreboard.

459 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:09:18pm

re: #437 Spare O'Lake

She's hot in her chest-waders.

re: #453 albusteve

wtf are you all hung up on winning SBs for?...it's one game out of 512 plus playoffs..are you saying a player cannot or will not be good or great unless he wins a SB?...and it's a team sport Rambo, which reminds me, Indy is lucky to eve have a team

If Marino had played with a 49er quality supporting cast, he'd have the 4 rings currently worn by Joe Montana.

460 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:09:26pm

re: #452 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seems more like children throwing a hissy fit, after reading the details of the ruling. My guess is they'll bitch and whine about the judge's "bias" and how it should be grounds for overturning the decision. Pay no attention to the fact that this "biased" judge reduced their "case" to ashes, he's "gay" and thus his ruling is "wrong."

Oh, and he was nominated to the Bench by Reagan and was eventually confirmed to the Bench by GHW Bush. A real "activist judge".

461 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:09:26pm

re: #416 HoosierHoops

really? I didn't know daddy was playing that day...He got lucky on ONE Play in the Superbowl...Did you think the touchdown pass to win the SB was lucky..Did you see that fade pass in the endzone? Did Daddy throw it or did Eli?
There is luck in all sports...Romo has won exactly one playoff game in his whole life...Did you watch Eli at ole Miss? He is a damn good athlete that doesn't hide behind Jerry Jones money...I am proud of the Manning Family..
Nobody wears diapers in that family

why are you proud?...they are paid entertainers...are they relatives of yours?, kinfolk or something?

462 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:09:31pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

We knew that, though.

I'm also a fascist eugenicist.

I'm a "Totalitarian Fascist" and Gus is a "Peronist Progressive".

BOOGA BOOGA!

463 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:09:47pm

re: #454 HoosierHoops

Only in one game ace...Ask a scout and get back with me..
*wink*
This is fun hope you are well this Friday night

I'm glad you are passionate about sports..... I'm a Charger fan...... how do you expect me to react to Eli?

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:06pm

re: #452 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seems more like children throwing a hissy fit, after reading the details of the ruling. My guess is they'll bitch and whine about the judge's "bias" and how it should be grounds for overturning the decision. Pay no attention to the fact that this "biased" judge reduced their "case" to ashes, he's "gay" and thus his ruling is "wrong."

I find it sort of weird that they poured this much money and effort into getting 8 passed, and then had no real strategy for pursuing it when it went to court. They must have expected it to go to court, and they must have realized that they would need to make a good showing.

465 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:17pm

re: #459 palomino

If Marino had played with a 49er quality supporting cast, he'd have the 4 rings currently worn by Joe Montana.

Agreed. But what's Romo's excuse?

466 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:17pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

I'm a "Totalitarian Fascist" and Gus is a "Peronist Progressive".

BOOGA BOOGA!

Ha! I forgot about that. Fucking retards at Blogmocracy.

467 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:24pm

re: #453 albusteve

wtf are you all hung up on winning SBs for?...it's one game out of 512 plus playoffs..are you saying a player cannot or will not be good or great unless he wins a SB?...and it's a team sport Rambo, which reminds me, Indy is lucky to eve have a team

I'm just having fun..It's fun..It's Sports..Don't be offended lizards
If I knew more about politics it would be more brutal..*wink*
Sports is like wine..We can all disagree and all be right

468 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:30pm

re: #457 jaunte

You made me swallow an olive pit.

Sorry. If no one's around to assist, try the self Heimlich.///

469 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:40pm

re: #460 austin_blue

Oh, and he was nominated to the Bench by Reagan and was eventually confirmed to the Bench by GHW Bush. A real "activist judge".

Yeah, that's gotta serious stick in their craw, more than anything else. That Ronaldus Maximus nominated the guy but had to drop it when he was seen as "too conservative," only for Bush The Elder to succeed in getting him approved to the bench.

It's comedy that writes itself.

470 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:53pm

re: #448 marjoriemoon

that's bright, not brilliant. Cum Laude in Sociology? She's more than smart enough, but brilliant people, at the very least, get straight A's in soft sciences. Not hatin'...just sayin'...

471 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:10:53pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. But what's Romo's excuse?

He sucks in big games?

472 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:00pm

re: #470 Aceofwhat?

that's bright, not brilliant. Cum Laude in Sociology? She's more than smart enough, but brilliant people, at the very least, get straight A's in soft sciences. Not hatin'...just sayin'...

Stop nit picking or do I have to come over there??

473 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:06pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. But what's Romo's excuse?

not totally sold on romo, but it's too early to write him off. remember how inconsistent elway was in playoff games early in his career, and he turned out OK.

474 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:21pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Shame on you for using that "r" word.

475 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:30pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. But what's Romo's excuse?

are you an idiot or what?...he has no excuses...how good was Elway?...Romo has started for only four years

476 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:31pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it sort of weird that they poured this much money and effort into getting 8 passed, and then had no real strategy for pursuing it when it went to court. They must have expected it to go to court, and they must have realized that they would need to make a good showing.

I'm of the honest opinion that they thought that, once it was approved, that was it. That nobody would question it, nobody would challenge it, and nobody would protest it. Or that, if they did, that defending it would be as easy as saying "It's the will of the people."

477 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:33pm

re: #463 Mr Pancakes

I'm glad you are passionate about sports... I'm a Charger fan... how do you expect me to react to Eli?

We have an office in SD..We trash talk each other every day in emails..I hope I haven't offended my friend

478 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:38pm

OK. I'm tired of this stupid shit. It's a Friday night. Fuck off you!!!
(please reply as needed)

479 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:12:43pm

re: #463 Mr Pancakes

I'm glad you are passionate about sports... I'm a Charger fan... how do you expect me to react to Eli?

I understand. I'm a Bears fan (Chicago born and raised, like the First Lady (although I'm a North Sider)), so I often have the same reaction to Brett Farve.

480 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:13:00pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it sort of weird that they poured this much money and effort into getting 8 passed, and then had no real strategy for pursuing it when it went to court. They must have expected it to go to court, and they must have realized that they would need to make a good showing.

i wonder if they thought it would be the AG's job to represent it?

481 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:13:05pm

re: #474 MandyManners

Shame on you for using that "r" word.

lol Right. I should strive to be as pure as you are Mandy.

482 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:13:17pm

re: #478 Irenicum

OK. I'm tired of this stupid shit. It's a Friday night. Fuck off you!!!
(please reply as needed)

Fuck me? No, fuck you!

/

483 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:13:32pm

re: #475 albusteve

are you an idiot or what?...he has no excuses...how good was Elway?...Romo has started for only four years

That's true...... took Elway a long while to get there.

484 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:13:40pm

re: #475 albusteve

are you an idiot or what?...he has no excuses...how good was Elway?...Romo has started for only four years

I know. I'm just messing with you. He's actually quite good.

485 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:13:52pm

Don't use the r-word! But killing 10s of thousands of civilians in Baghdad is OK.

486 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:14:14pm

This must be the world's earliest start on the Superbowl pre-game show.

487 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:14:27pm

re: #482 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What the fuck are you talking about asshole!!!
(aah, now I feel better)

488 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:14:27pm

And waterboarding is swell.

489 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:14:47pm

re: #472 marjoriemoon

Stop nit picking or do I have to come over there??

we science majors don't look fondly on B's in classes that aren't called Organic Chemistry or Gross Anatomy or.../

490 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:14:51pm

re: #473 palomino

not totally sold on romo, but it's too early to write him off. remember how inconsistent elway was in playoff games early in his career, and he turned out OK.

write him off?...do you have any idea what your talking about?...look at his numbers and compare them to any of the top QBs that ever played...duh?

491 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:14:52pm

re: #460 austin_blue

Oh, and he was nominated to the Bench by Reagan and was eventually confirmed to the Bench by GHW Bush. A real "activist judge".

Most of the flak he has caught in the course of his career has been for being too conservative for the district's taste. He ran a clean courtroom for this one, and the pro-8 team blew it off.

Now they're in a snit because he's gay. If he'd been straight, they figure, he would have seen their point, which boiled down to 'gay people are icky'.

Unfortunately, 'icky' has no legal weight in a US court.

492 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:15:02pm

re: #487 Irenicum

What the fuck are you talking about asshole!!!
(aah, now I feel better)

Who the fuck are you calling an asshole, asshole?!

/

493 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:15:12pm

re: #486 jaunte

This must be the world's earliest start on the Superbowl pre-game show.

Don't tell Fox Sports.

494 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:16:06pm

re: #480 Aceofwhat?

i wonder if they thought it would be the AG's job to represent it?

He's unwilling to do so. So Prop 8's defenders hired private lawyers to defend it. Two former Republican Solicitor Generals are arguing the case; Ken Starr arguing in favor of Prop 8 and Ted Olsen arguing against it.

495 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:16:38pm

re: #492 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Who the fuck are you calling an asshole, asshole?!

/

Buncha assholes.

496 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:17:01pm

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

He's unwilling to do so. So Prop 8's defenders hired private lawyers to defend it. Two former Republican Solicitor Generals are arguing the case; Ken Starr arguing in favor of Prop 8 and Ted Olsen arguing against it.

yeah, i know he's unwilling...i was pondering SFZ's excellent question about why they weren't better prepared.

497 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:17:35pm

re: #495 Spare O'Lake

Buncha assholes.

I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes!

/

498 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:17:50pm

re: #492 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

We really are primates, aren't we. Hehe. Gotta luv those primal instincts burrowing in our genetics.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #469 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, that's gotta serious stick in their craw, more than anything else. That Ronaldus Maximus nominated the guy but had to drop it when he was seen as "too conservative," only for Bush The Elder to succeed in getting him approved to the bench.

It's comedy that writes itself.

But gay people all side with the other gay people! No gay person can be fair-minded in a case involving gay people!

We are mere puppets of our hormones, dude.

500 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:18:32pm

re: #497 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes!

/

Are you watching Pr0n?
hehehe

501 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:18:37pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Ha! I forgot about that. Fucking retards at Blogmocracy.

Upding, but please don't use that r-word. Mandy is right about it; It's demeaning. But it's not a big deal.

502 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:19:12pm

re: #490 albusteve

write him off?...do you have any idea what your talking about?...look at his numbers and compare them to any of the top QBs that ever played...duh?

context is everything...i was responding to someone who implied he sucked and i said he didn't...i also compared him to elway

is romo your BO?

503 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:19:12pm

re: #479 Dark_Falcon

I understand. I'm a Bears fan (Chicago born and raised, like the First Lady (although I'm a North Sider)), so I often have the same reaction to Brett Farve.

in 19 years Farve won exactly one SB...what a lousy player eh?

504 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:19:18pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

But gay people all side with the other gay people! No gay person can be fair-minded in a case involving gay people!

We are mere puppets of our hormones, dude.

And then there's the Log Cabin Republicans!

(I don't get it either.)

505 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:19:32pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it sort of weird that they poured this much money and effort into getting 8 passed, and then had no real strategy for pursuing it when it went to court. They must have expected it to go to court, and they must have realized that they would need to make a good showing.

The Emperor Has No Clothes, which was what the opponents of Prop 8 were saying from the beginning. When they got to court, the proponents were helpless.

It's pretty cut and dried. Citizens in this country have equal protection under the law. So the State Constitutional Amendment that was voted in two years ago in Texas discriminating against gay people in this State is unconstitutional.

Oh dear, just wait until this gets to the Supremes. Fur is gonna fly.

506 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:19:46pm

re: #444 MandyManners

Kilgoe Trout

Stay true to yourself, accept the situation as it is, don't hold a grudge or take things personally, work the situation to your advantage, etc. Very zen.stoic stuff but I find it inspiring.

Thank you, Kilgore.

There are more simplistic ways of dealing with bullies and in moments of weakness and ego I've gone the easy route. It works but I've never been happy with myself afterwards and I've even been ashamed of treating people as they've treated me. If you can swallow some pride it's often better to play it smart and wait for opportunity.

507 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:19:53pm

re: #500 HoosierHoops

Are you watching Pr0n?
hehehe

...what gives you that idea? *shifty look*

/

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:20:13pm

re: #476 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm of the honest opinion that they thought that, once it was approved, that was it. That nobody would question it, nobody would challenge it, and nobody would protest it. Or that, if they did, that defending it would be as easy as saying "It's the will of the people."

Oy.

They're pretty well screwed now, as well. They may never get another election in California that suits their purposes so well, they may never be able to get so much money together again, the opposition is now well aware of what's coming at them, and support for gay marriage in California goes up an average of a percent annually.

509 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:20:37pm

re: #502 palomino

context is everything...i was responding to someone who implied he sucked and i said he didn't...i also compared him to elway

is romo your BO?

No, because he doesn't stink. :D

510 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:20:42pm

Speaking of San Diego, saw this in the news:

One of world's biggest yachts docks in San Diego

One of the world's largest privately-owned yachts -- a milk-colored 390-foot boat simply known as Motor Yacht A -- has arrived in San Diego for the first time, docking early today at the 10th Avenue Marine Terminal. The yacht, which resembles a submarine with a Ramada Inn stuck on top, will be here for an undetermined period and can be seen from Cesar Chavez Park in the Port of San Diego, south of downtown.

The authoritative magazine Power and Motorcraft listed "A" as the seventh largest mega-yacht in its 2009 review of the "super" boats. (The longest yacht, 'Dubai," is 531-feet long.) Motor Yacht A owned by Andrei Melnichenko, a Russian billionaire who amassed a fortune in steel and other businesses after dropping out of college.

I remember the time when the only Russian boats around here were the fake fishing fleet off Pt. Loma doing surveillance.

Now, we welcome them with open ports so they can park their $300 million mega-yachts here.

Oh, for the good old days...

511 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:20:57pm

Ya'll have a good evening. And play nice.:)

512 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:20:59pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it sort of weird that they poured this much money and effort into getting 8 passed, and then had no real strategy for pursuing it when it went to court. They must have expected it to go to court, and they must have realized that they would need to make a good showing.

Well, I think they were always looking at a Supreme Court end game. They have Scalia an Thomas in the bag no matter what they do, Roberts and Alito will probably almost any pretext to overrule. So, in the end it comes down to Kennedy, and Vaughn using Lawrence v. Texas's exact language was a very clever way of using Kennedy's own words to frame the issue.

513 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:21:05pm

re: #502 palomino

context is everything...i was responding to someone who implied he sucked and i said he didn't...i also compared him to elway

is romo your BO?

I don't think half the people here have many football wits...that's cool

514 Irenicum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:21:35pm

Nite gang. Even if you're a bunch of assholes like me.

515 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:21:35pm

Howdy, all. I've been on vacation all week.. what'd I miss? Is Obama still president? Does OU still suck?

516 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:22:38pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

But gay people all side with the other gay people! No gay person can be fair-minded in a case involving gay people!

We are mere puppets of our hormones, dude.

I know! And black judges ruling on cases involving black people, female judges ruling on cases involving women, Jewish judges, Muslim judges, dear God, whole system is biased! It's all so...so...wrong!

/

517 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:22:52pm
518 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:23:11pm

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

No, because he doesn't stink. :D

if all QB careers ended at four years, Romo would be like the second greatest ever...there is some perspective for you

519 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:23:18pm
520 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:23:57pm

re: #510 freetoken

Speaking of San Diego, saw this in the news:

One of world's biggest yachts docks in San Diego

I remember the time when the only Russian boats around here were the fake fishing fleet off Pt. Loma doing surveillance.

Now, we welcome them with open ports so they can park their $300 million mega-yachts here.

Oh, for the good old days...

Well, back in the day the Russians were trying to keep an eye on Hoops and his co-workers. And Hoops is quite a guy, so you need a fleet to keep track of what he's doing. :)

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:24:17pm

re: #515 cliffster

Howdy, all. I've been on vacation all week.. what'd I miss? Is Obama still president? Does OU still suck?

Why are all you guys such snobs about the Orthodox Union? Most of you don't even keep kosher!!

522 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:24:17pm

re: #515 cliffster

Howdy, all. I've been on vacation all week.. what'd I miss? Is Obama still president? Does OU still suck?

yeah, but the Longhorns are not a top-5 team either...

523 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:24:28pm

re: #515 cliffster

Howdy, all. I've been on vacation all week.. what'd I miss? Is Obama still president? Does OU still suck?

Huh oh..I'm 2 blocks from the Campus in a Hotel...
Somebody get me the Launch codes for the MIRV Nukes..I'm taking out the Cliffster...
/

524 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:25:05pm

re: #514 Irenicum

Nite gang. Even if you're a bunch of assholes like me.

This is my favorite Asshole song :)

525 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:25:17pm

re: #513 albusteve

I don't think half the people here have many football wits...that's cool

romo's qb rating is no. 4 all time. very impressive. then again, aaron rodgers is no. 1 all time. so it doesn't necessarily mean everything.

And 25 of the 30 top QB ratings of all time belong to QBs currently active. The game has changed, it is MUCH more pass heavy, and thus conducive to both bigger numbers and higher QB ratings.

526 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:26:09pm

jesus tom


/Namaste, y'all
527 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:27:21pm

re: #525 palomino

romo's qb rating is no. 4 all time. very impressive. then again, aaron rodgers is no. 1 all time. so it doesn't necessarily mean everything.

And 25 of the 30 top QB ratings of all time belong to QBs currently active. The game has changed, it is MUCH more pass heavy, and thus conducive to both bigger numbers and higher QB ratings.

i'm going to miss Kurt Warner...talk about your all-time underdogs.

on that note...good night, good folks...

528 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:28:35pm

Me too. Have sweet Lizard Dreams. Adios, my dear friends.

529 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:29:20pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Well then. That's the idea and some of what Carlin touched upon although nuanced...

"If I were a millionaire."

There are any number of millionaires who make about $120K per year, give or take, whose take-home pay is less than half that, and who wouldn't dream of owning anything luxurious in the way either of home or car. They can't afford it. Well, they could, but only by casting caution to the winds and forgoing other, more important things.

Nor can they afford $1000 sneakers. They can, unlike the strained sector of the middle class, afford an occasional exotic vacation, summer camp for the kids, college for the kids if they can cut it, and other sensible stuff.

They can, and do, contribute to charity. That's one of those other "more important things".

That's your typical millionaire.

530 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:29:39pm

re: #525 palomino

romo's qb rating is no. 4 all time. very impressive. then again, aaron rodgers is no. 1 all time. so it doesn't necessarily mean everything.

And 25 of the 30 top QB ratings of all time belong to QBs currently active. The game has changed, it is MUCH more pass heavy, and thus conducive to both bigger numbers and higher QB ratings.

it means they are great players so far..and QB ratings are not based on numbers on attempts....QB are better than ever, but so are corners and even receivers...keep googling

531 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:30:01pm
532 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:30:14pm

re: #522 Aceofwhat?

yeah, but the Longhorns are not a top-5 team either...

Man.. last year will be one that hurts for all time. Alabama won the national title.. I personally believe they didn't have a chance against Texas except for the freakish injury to Colt. It's been a lot of months, and I still can't think about it. Our defense held the heralded Bama O despite having the short field pretty much the whole game. The only good news - the freshman QB that quite honestly almost pulled it off. Might be a bad year while the youngsters develop, or it might be another title run if the youngsters mature early.

OU, on the other hand, well they just suck.

533 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:31:30pm

re: #528 austin_blue

Me too. Have sweet Lizard Dreams. Adios, my dear friends.

Good night and weet dreams..It's going to be a long day saturday..I've had a great time tonight and I hope you all will have a wonderful weekend...

534 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:32:06pm

re: #529 lostlakehiker

There are any number of millionaires who make about $120K per year, give or take, whose take-home pay is less than half that, and who wouldn't dream of owning anything luxurious in the way either of home or car. They can't afford it. Well, they could, but only by casting caution to the winds and forgoing other, more important things.

Nor can they afford $1000 sneakers. They can, unlike the strained sector of the middle class, afford an occasional exotic vacation, summer camp for the kids, college for the kids if they can cut it, and other sensible stuff.

They can, and do, contribute to charity. That's one of those other "more important things".

That's your typical millionaire.

I don't know where you live, but $120K/annual doesn't make you a millionaire where I come from. And we got em by the boat load.

535 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:32:45pm

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

Well, back in the day the Russians were trying to keep an eye on Hoops and his co-workers. And Hoops is quite a guy, so you need a fleet to keep track of what he's doing. :)

You would not be surprised to know that many of the high rollers at the casino are new capitalists from China and Russia. The big mega casino's are now in China for example.
One gal I met was the wife of a Chinese industrial robot, factory owner, and she was a very big better.

536 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:33:18pm

re: #529 lostlakehiker

Yeah, OK. I've heard all the excuses before in my life. Don't care. It's just a bunch of commercialized American propaganda.

537 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:33:28pm

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mine would say "You suck. Deal with it". Heh.

Yeah its an idea ripe for the picking.. Misfortune Cookies. Just like the real ones, but every one has a message of doom. I thought of that talking to a friend who said her Church group was making cookies for prison inmates. I was like, yeah I'd make them some fortune cookies with phrases that said things like "You'll never see the light of day" or "You will be traded for a Honeybun". She didn't see the humor in it, not one bit..

538 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:33:51pm

re: #523 HoosierHoops

Huh oh..I'm 2 blocks from the Campus in a Hotel...
Somebody get me the Launch codes for the MIRV Nukes..I'm taking out the Cliffster...
/

Welcome to Oklahoma

539 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:34:02pm

re: #448 marjoriemoon

Uh... yea, lots of evidence.

She attended Whitney Young High School, Chicago's first magnet high school, where she was on the honor roll for four years, took advanced placement classes, was a member of the National Honor Society and served as student council treasurer.[2] ... She graduated from high school in 1981 as salutatorian.[15][16]

Michelle was inspired to follow her brother to Princeton University;[3] he graduated in 1983. At Princeton, she challenged the teaching methodology for French because she felt that it should be more conversational.[17] As part of her requirements for graduation, she wrote a thesis entitled, "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."[18][19] "I remember being shocked," she says, "by college students who drove BMWs. I didn't even know parents who drove BMWs."[15] Robinson majored in sociology and minored in African American studies and graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in 1985.[2][20] She earned her Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Harvard Law School in 1988.[21] While at Harvard, she participated in political demonstrations advocating the hiring of professors who were members of minorities.[22] She is the third First Lady with a postgraduate degree, following Hillary Rodham Clinton and Laura Bush.[23] In July 2008, Obama accepted the invitation to become an honorary member of the 100-year-old black sorority Alpha Kappa Alpha, which had no active undergraduate chapter at Princeton when she attended.[24]

Brilliance begins with off-the-scale SAT scores. Had she racked those up, it would have been noted. Brilliance continues with real and truly remarkable achievements in a real field, not African-American studies and not a sinecure job where your pay triples when your husband advances.

Going to Harvard is nice, but as Bush proves, it's not proof of brilliance. It's especially not proof of brilliance if you're getting special consideration for admission for one reason or another, as both Bush and Michelle got. {different reasons, of course}.

Michelle is a bright woman, no doubt of that. But there's a world of difference between bright and brilliant.

540 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:35:02pm

re: #538 cliffster

Welcome to Oklahoma

LOL...nice snag
boo hoo daddy!

541 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:35:15pm

re: #534 marjoriemoon

I don't know where you live, but $120K/annual doesn't make you a millionaire where I come from. And we got em by the boat load.

If you save diligently, you get there. You just don't realize how many millionaires there are who don't spend money like it was water and who don't make buckets every year.

542 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:35:17pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

Why are all you guys such snobs about the Orthodox Union? Most of you don't even keep kosher!!

I love those kosher dill spears. Yummy.

543 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:35:55pm
544 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:36:47pm

re: #535 avanti

You would not be surprised to know that many of the high rollers at the casino are new capitalists from China and Russia. The big mega casino's are now in China for example.
One gal I met was the wife of a Chinese industrial robot, factory owner, and she was a very big better.

You're right: That doesn't surprise me at all. Were you in Las Vegas when you met that lady?

545 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:36:55pm

re: #539 lostlakehiker

has she ever had a job?...besides the grease gig at the hospital?
MO is just another elitist...no beans and weenies for her

546 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:38:16pm

re: #536 Gus 802

Yeah, OK. I've heard all the excuses before in my life. Don't care. It's just a bunch of commercialized American propaganda.

How do you figure?

547 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:38:39pm

re: #541 lostlakehiker

If you save diligently, you get there. You just don't realize how many millionaires there are who don't spend money like it was water and who don't make buckets every year.

my BIL worked 62 hours a week for 30 years and had a million in cash when he retired...not your average 120k a year type

548 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:39:38pm

re: #518 albusteve

if all QB careers ended at four years, Romo would be like the second greatest ever...there is some perspective for you

second greatest based on a statistic that's not really re: #530 albusteve

it means they are great players so far..and QB ratings are not based on numbers on attempts...QB are better than ever, but so are corners and even receivers...keep googling

Yes, the extra passing attempts make a difference in bumping up QB rating. not only are there lots of short passes, but the pass isn't just some last ditch effort used only on 3rd down because the first two downs were just one yard and a cloud of dust.

like i said, aaron rodgers is no. 1 all time in qb rating. please knock yourself out making the case he's better then manning, brady, et al. I'd love to hear your "argument" for rodgers as all-time greatest.

as for romo, you really think he's better than marino, unitas, staubach? if so, that's some serious partisanship

549 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:39:42pm

re: #546 Dark_Falcon

How do you figure?

Not really in the mood tonight. Eat the rich.

Onslaught - Shock and Awe

550 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:39:50pm

re: #539 lostlakehiker

This post is really going to put the match to the gasoline.

/Just saying

551 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:40:17pm
552 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:40:19pm

re: #539 lostlakehiker

"Going to Harvard is nice." I hear this every time someone criticizes either Barack or Michelle's education. Graduating with a J.D. from Harvard is no small feat and Bush doesn't have a law degree, on top of being an average student.

You don't want to call her brilliant? Don't. But you're picking apart what I originally said when the whole point is that an accomplished woman shouldn't be badgered over her pricey sneakers.

553 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:40:22pm

Yre: #545 albusteve

has she ever had a job?...besides the grease gig at the hospital?

You mean the job that was so important that when she left they didn't replace her? Ha.

554 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:40:35pm

re: #539 lostlakehiker

re: #545 albusteve

Aaaand, here we go again.

555 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:40:41pm

re: #539 lostlakehiker

... Brilliance continues with real and truly remarkable achievements in a real field, not African-American studies...

Dude...

556 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:42:27pm

re: #549 Gus 802

Being a hater of the rich is not a good thing to be. I've got no patience for class warfare.

557 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:42:33pm

re: #555 freetoken

Dude...

I really had no intention of going there or I'd get too angry right before bedtime... but you can certainly have at it!

558 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:44:12pm

re: #556 Dark_Falcon

Being a hater of the rich is not a good thing to be. I've got no patience for class warfare.

What are you my keeper tonight DF? I'm fucking broke and had to sell something to get 30 bucks just before. I didn't make rent yet and got a 3 day notice. What? There's no fucking work and the damn rich people in this country are living high on the hog while the rest of us have to suffer. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

559 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:45:48pm

re: #529 lostlakehiker

There are any number of millionaires who make about $120K per year, give or take, whose take-home pay is less than half that, and who wouldn't dream of owning anything luxurious in the way either of home or car. They can't afford it. Well, they could, but only by casting caution to the winds and forgoing other, more important things.

Nor can they afford $1000 sneakers. They can, unlike the strained sector of the middle class, afford an occasional exotic vacation, summer camp for the kids, college for the kids if they can cut it, and other sensible stuff.

They can, and do, contribute to charity. That's one of those other "more important things".

That's your typical millionaire.

Best post I've seen in a long time. Spend less than what you make, work hard, you get your rewards. So many people I know go into huge debt getting and doing things they don't need and can't afford, then whine when it catches up to them. The entitlement mentality of the average American is really sickening, and it's catching up with us. Oh well.

560 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:45:49pm

re: #548 palomino

Yes, the extra passing attempts make a difference in bumping up QB rating. not only are there lots of short passes, but the pass isn't just some last ditch effort used only on 3rd down because the first two downs were just one yard and a cloud of dust.

like i said, aaron rodgers is no. 1 all time in qb rating. please knock yourself out making the case he's better then manning, brady, et al. I'd love to hear your "argument" for rodgers as all-time greatest.

as for romo, you really think he's better than marino, unitas, staubach? if so, that's some serious partisanship

I didn't say any of that...Romo has put up huge numbers in four years....he is a quality player regardless if he's won a SB or not...that was the dispute..the rest has been fabricated to move the goal posts away from that fact....there is little about the game I still need to learn, outside of stats which i don't follow as much anymore....consistancy and longevity count too, but that doesn't mean Romo and Rodgers are lesser players at this point in their careers, the point others tried to make...they are simply wrong

561 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:46:33pm

re: #552 marjoriemoon

"Going to Harvard is nice." I hear this every time someone criticizes either Barack or Michelle's education. Graduating with a J.D. from Harvard is no small feat and Bush doesn't have a law degree, on top of being an average student.

You don't want to call her brilliant? Don't. But you're picking apart what I originally said when the whole point is that an accomplished woman shouldn't be badgered over her pricey sneakers.

what has she accomplished?

562 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:46:58pm

re: #558 Gus 802

What are you my keeper tonight DF? I'm fucking broke and had to sell something to get 30 bucks just before. I didn't make rent yet and got a 3 day notice. What? There's no fucking work and the damn rich people in this country are living high on the hog while the rest of us have to suffer. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

Sorry if I got on your case. Though I do not agree with you, I was paternalistic in the way I expressed my disagreement. That was wrong, and I apologize.

563 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:47:19pm

re: #553 Mich-again

Y

You mean the job that was so important that when she left they didn't replace her? Ha.

let's hear it from her fans

564 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:47:40pm

re: #558 Gus 802

What are you my keeper tonight DF? I'm fucking broke and had to sell something to get 30 bucks just before. I didn't make rent yet and got a 3 day notice. What? There's no fucking work and the damn rich people in this country are living high on the hog while the rest of us have to suffer. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

Sorry to hear about your plight. I hope things get better for you soon.

Hating the rich may not be good, but having an ever increasing gap between rich and poor isn't exactly a recipe for national success. See Mexico.

565 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:48:42pm

re: #558 Gus 802

They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

It is only class warfare when the poor, working class and middle class engage in it doncha' know.

566 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:49:44pm

re: #565 webevintage

It is only class warfare when the poor, working class and middle class engage in it doncha' know.

How true. It's a tough nut to crack because most Americans are brainwashed into this type of thinking.

567 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:49:56pm

re: #559 cliffster

Best post I've seen in a long time. Spend less than what you make, work hard, you get your rewards. So many people I know go into huge debt getting and doing things they don't need and can't afford, then whine when it catches up to them. The entitlement mentality of the average American is really sickening, and it's catching up with us. Oh well.

The "entitlement" mentality is also very "Anti-American-History" We are a capitalistic society, where your work is rewarded by your pay. Or, at least we USED to be capitalistic. For better or for worse, we are more "welfare" oriented, than we used to be. MHO. Your mileage may vary.

568 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:50:13pm

re: #554 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #545 albusteve

Aaaand, here we go again.

no, there somebody else went again, trumpeting the accomplishments of the Obamas...what were they?....it's a simple question

569 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:51:31pm

re: #559 cliffster

Best post I've seen in a long time. Spend less than what you make, work hard, you get your rewards. So many people I know go into huge debt getting and doing things they don't need and can't afford, then whine when it catches up to them. The entitlement mentality of the average American is really sickening, and it's catching up with us. Oh well.

Who's entitled? Oh! You mean the top 2 percent "earners" and the multi-national corporations. Yeah, you're right. That entitlement mentality sure has gotten out of hand.

570 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:51:37pm

re: #555 freetoken

Dude...

well, Dude is not much of a rebutt

571 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:51:44pm

re: #558 Gus 802

What are you my keeper tonight DF? I'm fucking broke and had to sell something to get 30 bucks just before. I didn't make rent yet and got a 3 day notice. What? There's no fucking work and the damn rich people in this country are living high on the hog while the rest of us have to suffer. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

I'm sorry for your misfortune. I have no idea how your circumstances came to be, but lashing out at others is not only not helpful, it's destructive. Focus on yourself and what you want. No matter what, it's your life, and it's yours to live, not someone else's. Bitterness at others may give you some temporary sense of justification, but in the end it does nothing to further your own goals.

572 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:52:36pm

re: #571 cliffster

I'm sorry for your misfortune. I have no idea how your circumstances came to be, but lashing out at others is not only not helpful, it's destructive. Focus on yourself and what you want. No matter what, it's your life, and it's yours to live, not someone else's. Bitterness at others may give you some temporary sense of justification, but in the end it does nothing to further your own goals.

Yeah, lashing out at people who're earning entitlements is sure out of hand isn't it? I mean, what with all those folks on welfare and such.

573 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:52:47pm

The Great American Soap-Opera:

Johnston May Yet Spill Palin Secrets

Sources close to Levi Johnston tell Rob Shuter his agents are already shopping around a "His Side of the Story"-type interview where he is willing to "reveal the latest secret plans of his almost-mother-in-law for the bargain asking price of $20,000."

Said one Sarah Palin insider: "It was bad enough that this kid everyone thinks is stupid has already caused Sarah and her family great shame, telling everyone her secrets. Now, she fears he is going to do it all over again. Who knows what family business sweet Bristol told him when they briefly got back together."

574 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:52:51pm

re: #558 Gus 802

What are you my keeper tonight DF? I'm fucking broke and had to sell something to get 30 bucks just before. I didn't make rent yet and got a 3 day notice. What? There's no fucking work and the damn rich people in this country are living high on the hog while the rest of us have to suffer. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

submit, peon

575 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:53:22pm

re: #560 albusteve

I didn't say any of that...Romo has put up huge numbers in four years...he is a quality player regardless if he's won a SB or not...that was the dispute..the rest has been fabricated to move the goal posts away from that fact...there is little about the game I still need to learn, outside of stats which i don't follow as much anymore...consistancy and longevity count too, but that doesn't mean Romo and Rodgers are lesser players at this point in their careers, the point others tried to make...they are simply wrong

I never disagreed with any of that. In fact I made the point upthread that marino would have as many rings as montana or bradshaw or brady if he'd had their supporting casts. And also that elway was erroneously considered a bust early in his career because of denver's SB blowout losses. My point was that Romo's still young--for a QB--and these evaluations of his career are premature. But yeah he's got great numbers.

576 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:53:25pm

re: #558 Gus 802

. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

Quoted
For
Truth

577 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:53:30pm

Must be Fox News with Neil Cavuto night in here.

578 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:53:53pm

re: #566 Gus 802

How true. It's a tough nut to crack because most Americans are brainwashed into this type of thinking.

They have been feeding it to us since Regan.

579 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:54:16pm

re: #567 Floral Giraffe

The "entitlement" mentality is also very "Anti-American-History" We are a capitalistic society, where your work is rewarded by your pay. Or, at least we USED to be capitalistic. For better or for worse, we are more "welfare" oriented, than we used to be. MHO. Your mileage may vary.

I agree with you, and we've got to move away from that orientation back towards being capitalistic. We really don't want end up like France with permanent 10% unemployment and low economic growth.

580 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:54:53pm

re: #558 Gus 802

What are you my keeper tonight DF? I'm fucking broke and had to sell something to get 30 bucks just before. I didn't make rent yet and got a 3 day notice. What? There's no fucking work and the damn rich people in this country are living high on the hog while the rest of us have to suffer. I don't give a shit. They're the ones that are engaged in class warfare. Not us.

Maybe they'll add you to the prayer list.

581 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:54:55pm

re: #544 Dark_Falcon

You're right: That doesn't surprise me at all. Were you in Las Vegas when you met that lady?

Yep, I get a half dozen junkets a year, usually do Vegas once or twice, but prefer New Orleans and Laughlin Nv, Vegas is a bit too frantic for me.

I'm not a high roller by any stretch, but going the Atlantic City most every week earns me the free comps.

582 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:55:04pm

re: #543 Gus 802

Green Day - American Idiot

[Video]

Great song.

583 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:55:05pm

re: #543 Gus 802

Green Day - American Idiot

I know we are supposed to think they sold out and everything, but I do like Greenday very, very much.

584 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:55:15pm

re: #573 freetoken

The Great American Soap-Opera:

Johnston May Yet Spill Palin Secrets

Good Gawd I am SO OVER HIM ALREADY.

585 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:56:25pm

re: #569 Gus 802

Who's entitled? Oh! You mean the top 2 percent "earners" and the multi-national corporations. Yeah, you're right. That entitlement mentality sure has gotten out of hand.

People who, like I said, go deep into debt buying stuff and doing things they can't afford, ultimately do it because they feel like they are entitled. Who cares about those pesky rules of finance, who cares about math and all, where it's abundantly clear that that trip to Disneyland and the big-screen TV was a very poor financial choice, they do it anyways. The top 2% you are talking about.. they don't live the lifestyle they do because they are entitled, they live the lifestyle because they have the money. If you don't have the money, don't try and live the lifestyle until you do.

Yes, people who spend what they don't have and then whine about the results are indeed feeling "entitled".

586 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:56:25pm

I don't get it. One minute I can't say anything bad about the stimulus and then the next minute it's like let's lick the boots of the rich.

587 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:57:24pm

re: #573 freetoken

The Great American Soap-Opera:

Johnston May Yet Spill Palin Secrets

Could someone please usher Levi Johnston off the national stage already?

588 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:57:50pm

re: #575 palomino

I never disagreed with any of that. In fact I made the point upthread that marino would have as many rings as montana or bradshaw or brady if he'd had their supporting casts. And also that elway was erroneously considered a bust early in his career because of denver's SB blowout losses. My point was that Romo's still young--for a QB--and these evaluations of his career are premature. But yeah he's got great numbers.

nobody can say that..if so, why didn't Marino make his team better, that's what great leaders do...if if if....that's all hypothetical

589 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:58:06pm

re: #584 marjoriemoon

Good Gawd I am SO OVER HIM ALREADY.

I'm not sure this romance is over. Levi will probably get re-engaged to Bristol several more times before there's any closure.

These two are like the Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor of this generation.

590 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:58:06pm

re: #587 Dark_Falcon

Could someone please usher Levi Johnston off the national stage already?

Could we hope that he will take Sarah with him?

591 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:58:38pm

re: #583 webevintage

I know we are supposed to think they sold out and everything, but I do like Greenday very, very much.

Agreed and American Idiot was a great album.

592 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:59:09pm

re: #586 Gus 802

I don't get it. One minute I can't say anything bad about the stimulus and then the next minute it's like let's lick the boots of the rich.

I see both sides, I don't begrudge the rich, nor do I cry about them paying a higher tax rate than me since I'd love the opportunity to be in the highest bracket.

593 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:59:19pm

re: #586 Gus 802

I don't get it. One minute I can't say anything bad about the stimulus and then the next minute it's like let's lick the boots of the rich.

LOL!
I feel for you

594 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:59:31pm

re: #590 webevintage

Could we hope that he will take Sarah with him?

Yes, please. It's the sort of three-ring circus that belongs on Jerry Springer's show.

595 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:00:34pm

I think a lot of people got "caught" by suprise with the economic downturn. They had no savings, or not much, and no back up plans. I know my BIL was out of work for over 5 years. When push came to shove, he took a job. It's not what he WANTED, but it pays the bills. Ojoe, has taken a similar job. So, there is work, if you are willing to take what is available.

596 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:00:35pm

re: #589 palomino

I'm not sure this romance is over. Levi will probably get re-engaged to Bristol several more times before there's any closure.

These two are like the Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor of this generation.

ROFL! It's really terribly sad, but true!

597 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:00:39pm

what has MO accomplished?

598 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:00:56pm

re: #589 palomino

I'm not sure this romance is over. Levi will probably get re-engaged to Bristol several more times before there's any closure.

These two are like the Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor of this generation.

Please, Dear God, NO!

599 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:01:44pm

re: #586 Gus 802

I don't get it. One minute I can't say anything bad about the stimulus and then the next minute it's like let's lick the boots of the rich.

Most of it is just partisan political bullcrap being spouted on a blog.

600 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:02:34pm

re: #599 Spare O'Lake

Most of it is just partisan political bullcrap being spouted on a blog.

yup

601 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:02:35pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

Agreed and American Idiot was a great album.

Dookie gave me my Green Day fill.

602 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:02:50pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

I think a lot of people got "caught" by suprise with the economic downturn. They had no savings, or not much, and no back up plans. I know my BIL was out of work for over 5 years. When push came to shove, he took a job. It's not what he WANTED, but it pays the bills. Ojoe, has taken a similar job. So, there is work, if you are willing to take what is available.

True.

603 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:03:02pm

re: #588 albusteve

nobody can say that..if so, why didn't Marino make his team better, that's what great leaders do...if if if...that's all hypothetical

it's a team sport, and marino never had a great supporting cast like montana and bradshaw.

of course it's hypothetical, as are most (sports) arguments. "if if if" is the basis of most syllogisms and the socratic method. take out the hypotheticals, and most comments at espn (and lgf) would disappear.

604 Racer X  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:04:55pm

The decisions you make today will impact your fate in the future. Just like the decisions you made when you were younger are having an impact on you now.

Choose wisely.

605 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:04:55pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

Agreed and American Idiot was a great album.

I was listing to 21st Century last night, not their best, but I figure if a CD has more then 7 songs on it I like that it is pretty good and not a waste of money.
Yes, I still buy the whole CD....

606 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:04:59pm

re: #603 palomino

it's a team sport, and marino never had a great supporting cast like montana and bradshaw.

of course it's hypothetical, as are most (sports) arguments. "if if if" is the basis of most syllogisms and the socratic method. take out the hypotheticals, and most comments at espn (and lgf) would disappear.

Barry Sanders played for the Detroit Lions....... you need a supporting cast.

607 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:05:13pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

I think a lot of people got "caught" by suprise with the economic downturn. They had no savings, or not much, and no back up plans. I know my BIL was out of work for over 5 years. When push came to shove, he took a job. It's not what he WANTED, but it pays the bills. Ojoe, has taken a similar job. So, there is work, if you are willing to take what is available.

Prior to 2000, most people lived above their means. That wasn't any great shocker. Even in the 80's when I made $300/week, the only way I could afford to live was to charge to credit cards. That's living in a one room efficiency. I drove a Chevy Monza. So this whole "blame the poor" mentality is beyond me.

608 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:06:02pm

re: #585 cliffster

People who, like I said, go deep into debt buying stuff and doing things they can't afford, ultimately do it because they feel like they are entitled. Who cares about those pesky rules of finance, who cares about math and all, where it's abundantly clear that that trip to Disneyland and the big-screen TV was a very poor financial choice, they do it anyways. The top 2% you are talking about.. they don't live the lifestyle they do because they are entitled, they live the lifestyle because they have the money. If you don't have the money, don't try and live the lifestyle until you do.

Yes, people who spend what they don't have and then whine about the results are indeed feeling "entitled".

There are, and always were, people who live above their means. But let's not pretend that the biggest problem in the US is a plague of irresponsible dudes who can't live on a budget. It's not the spending part that's the issue right now. It's the making part.

609 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:06:14pm

re: #598 Floral Giraffe

Please, Dear God, NO!

Yes, truly terrible. But at least it's better than Snooki and the Situation (what the hell kind of "name" is that for a non-rapper?) and the rest of their freakish insane clown posse with the Boehner-esque tans.

610 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:06:46pm

In other news, Phil Mickelson has a fantastic chance of being #1 golfer in the world after this week. I love watching Tiger, and I am sure he'll get his form back. But damn, seeing a class act and supreme talent like Phil get to the #1 spot he deserves to have at least once will be fun to watch. C'mon, buddy, hit the fairways and tap in those putts.

611 Gus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:06:57pm

I'm going to bed. Later.

612 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:07:13pm

re: #603 palomino

it's a team sport, and marino never had a great supporting cast like montana and bradshaw.

of course it's hypothetical, as are most (sports) arguments. "if if if" is the basis of most syllogisms and the socratic method. take out the hypotheticals, and most comments at espn (and lgf) would disappear.

he had two great receivers in the Marks, Duper and Clayton for years...Emmitt Smith was barely on the radar when he was drafted...he had a renowned SB winning coach....yadda yadda...if Marino was that good why didn't he get his team to step up?...that argument is futile

613 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:07:19pm

re: #611 Gus 802

I'm going to bed. Later.

Goodnight

614 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:07:32pm

re: #604 Racer X

The decisions you make today will impact your fate in the future. Just like the decisions you made when you were younger are having an impact on you now.

Choose wisely.

Life happens to people. You work hard all your life, you save, and then some catastrophe comes along, an illness, you lose your job, your business goes under, and you're broke. Have to sell it all and dip into the savings. It got ramped up after 2003-2004, but it's not a new phenomena. It's called Life.

615 Nimed  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:08:16pm

re: #611 Gus 802

I'm going to bed. Later.

Good night, Gus.

616 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:08:43pm

re: #604 Racer X

The decisions you make today will impact your fate in the future. Just like the decisions you made when you were younger are having an impact on you now.

Choose wisely.

Do the best that you can, with what you now know...

617 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:09:11pm

Just got back from the fitness club... Buffy and I spent the evening there... almost drank them out of Perrier... oh what fun... those fitness machiney things that they have scatter all over the place... ,my, my... they get in the way... if they weren't placed all over that room, it would be a straight shot to the sauna... I did have to chide the attendant with the cheese tray... only 6 kinds of cheeses tonight... something about some dust up with the supplier... good god man... have you stuff flown in from France like the rest of us.

Well, well... and how is the rabble doing tonight... I love these little forays into sparing with the common folk. How are the common folk tonight?

618 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:09:39pm

re: #607 marjoriemoon

Credit, and credit cards are evil.
I am a HUGE Dave Ramsey fan, if anyone cares...

619 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:10:22pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

Some of us are broke and feeling down.

620 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:10:43pm

re: #609 palomino

I don't watch the teevee. Snookie is a glitch in time, and won't be remembered...

621 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:11:02pm

re: #606 Mr Pancakes

Barry Sanders played for the Detroit Lions... you need a supporting cast.

and Sanders, stupidly, threw in with three of the worst coaches in NFL history...plus he treated his team mates, especially his offensive line like shit...so far as to hand Smith a rushing title when he took himself out of a game in the forth quarter when the race was on....Barry Sanders was a major asshole and a football idiot...nobody could stand him then or now

622 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:11:16pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from the fitness club... Buffy and I spent the evening there... almost drank them out of Perrier... oh what fun... those fitness machiney things that they have scatter all over the place... ,my, my... they get in the way... if they weren't placed all over that room, it would be a straight shot to the sauna... I did have to chide the attendant with the cheese tray... only 6 kinds of cheeses tonight... something about some dust up with the supplier... good god man... have you stuff flown in from France like the rest of us.

Well, well... and how is the rabble doing tonight... I love these little forays into sparing with the common folk. How are the common folk tonight?

Too bad Gus has left for the night. His reaction that post would be interesting.

623 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:11:21pm

re: #607 marjoriemoon

Prior to 2000, most people lived above their means. [...] So this whole "blame the poor" mentality is beyond me.


How about prior to 2008?

If you go and look for data/graphs on consumer/private debt, you'll find that said debt increased significantly until the recession began. Only in the past two years have Americans got their spending under control.

And that is one reason why the "recovery" is so slow paced - consumer purchases just aren't what they used to be.

Which is good in the long run, though adjusting to the new normal takes a while.

624 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:11:28pm

re: #608 Nimed

There are, and always were, people who live above their means. But let's not pretend that the biggest problem in the US is a plague of irresponsible dudes who can't live on a budget. It's not the spending part that's the issue right now. It's the making part.

with all due respect, the situation the country is in has never been more defined by people living above their means. consumers taking loans they can't afford, investors buying up those loans at risk levels that are unsustainable. Why are you saying that the spending part isn't the biggest problem? It is the biggest problem by far.

625 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:11:33pm

re: #618 Floral Giraffe

Credit, and credit cards are evil.
I am a HUGE Dave Ramsey fan, if anyone cares...

I'm very proud, we have very little credit. In fact, I do have one credit card, but we've only used it in emergencies. Washer/dryer broke, stove broke, pipes broke (old house heh). Other than that, if the money's not in the account, we don't buy it.

626 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:11:57pm

re: #621 albusteve

and Sanders, stupidly, threw in with three of the worst coaches in NFL history...plus he treated his team mates, especially his offensive line like shit...so far as to hand Smith a rushing title when he took himself out of a game in the forth quarter when the race was on...Barry Sanders was a major asshole and a football idiot...nobody could stand him then or now

That.... I did not know.

627 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:12:20pm

re: #605 webevintage

I was listing to 21st Century last night, not their best, but I figure if a CD has more then 7 songs on it I like that it is pretty good and not a waste of money.
Yes, I still buy the whole CD...

Surprisingly good album. I love the way they have managed to keep their simple tight style over the years. Still, IMO they have never surpassed their earliest hits like Basket Case and When I Come Around.

628 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:12:40pm

re: #623 freetoken

How about prior to 2008?

If you go and look for data/graphs on consumer/private debt, you'll find that said debt increased significantly until the recession began. Only in the past two years have Americans got their spending under control.

And that is one reason why the "recovery" is so slow paced - consumer purchases just aren't what they used to be.

Which is good in the long run, though adjusting to the new normal takes a while.

Yes, probably closer to 2008. I was thinking of the housing bubble, which probably peaked around 2003-4 and the crash came after.

629 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:12:43pm

re: #618 Floral Giraffe

Credit, and credit cards are evil.
I am a HUGE Dave Ramsey fan, if anyone cares...

I'd like him better if he wasn't doing ads for the local jewelry stores on his show.
There's a bit of a disconnect.

630 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:13:05pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

I don't watch the teevee. Snookie is a glitch in time, and won't be remembered...

It was quite fun watching her rant "I'm Snooki!" when the cops carted her off for being an obnoxious drunk in public. It was clear they did care who she was; she was just another drunk asshole to them.

631 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:13:35pm

re: #612 albusteve

he had two great receivers in the Marks, Duper and Clayton for years...Emmitt Smith was barely on the radar when he was drafted...he had a renowned SB winning coach...yadda yadda...if Marino was that good why didn't he get his team to step up?...that argument is futile

i don't know about great, those Marks were almost midgets. furthermore, dan usually didn't have good RBs to hand off to. and then there's the other side of the ball, where miami didn't dominate after the 70s no-name D.

you don't seem to realize that i agree with you, at least partly. marino's lack of a ring or 4 shouldn't diminish his stature, given the overall brilliance of his career. an amazingly quick release and he threw high velocity darts. Marino DID make his team better...without his thread the needle passes, miami would have totally sucked all those years. think david woodley--how good do you think miami would have been in the 80s and 90s with him lobbing up balls for grabs?

632 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:13:49pm

re: #622 Dark_Falcon

Too bad Gus has left for the night. His reaction that post would be interesting.

I just got home (yes, from the gym), and I was reading up thread a bit... that post was for Gus specifically... a little humor... I know where he is coming from and understand... we were discussing the same topic earlier... him and I don't agree on everything for sure, but we cross alliances at times... this is one of those times...

633 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:14:14pm

re: #630 Dark_Falcon

It was quite fun watching her rant "I'm Snooki!" when the cops carted her off for being an obnoxious drunk in public. It was clear they did care who she was; she was just another drunk asshole to them.

Some of us take that 15 minutes of fame thing far too long.

634 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:14:41pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

I don't watch the teevee. Snookie is a glitch in time, and won't be remembered...

i hope you're right. that little dumpling makes me want to retch blood.

635 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:14:44pm

re: #618 Floral Giraffe

Credit, and credit cards are evil.
I am a HUGE Dave Ramsey fan, if anyone cares...

I love these people - Dave Ramsey, Suze Orman. They make a living by preaching the most obvious shit imaginable. Obviously it's still a needed market.. we're still not listening to them. If everyone in the country would go buy, "The Wealthy Barber" and live by it, we would have good times for the rest of times.

636 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:14:55pm

re: #629 jaunte

I still feel that he is doing a great service to people in need.
Credit, has a price, and people don't "see" it.

637 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:15:46pm

re: #636 Floral Giraffe

Yes, for the most part his message works.

638 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:16:39pm

re: #635 cliffster

I'm way NOT a Suze Ormon fan. Dave Ramsey, well, he's a bit too "Fox News" for me, but, at least most of his advice seems sound and he gets 10 points for effort, from me.

639 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:17:05pm

re: #632 Walter L. Newton

I just got home (yes, from the gym), and I was reading up thread a bit... that post was for Gus specifically... a little humor... I know where he is coming from and understand... we were discussing the same topic earlier... him and I don't agree on everything for sure, but we cross alliances at times... this is one of those times...

I figured as much. I know how you use posts to have fun, Walter. It can be harsh, but its always well dome.

640 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:17:14pm

re: #633 marjoriemoon

Some of us take that 15 minutes of fame thing far too long.


I think Andy Warhol was wrong.

641 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:19:02pm

I'm gonna get to bed. BBT

642 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:19:29pm

re: #641 Dark_Falcon

I'm gonna get to bed. BBT

Goodnight DF

643 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:19:46pm

re: #626 Mr Pancakes

That... I did not know.

for all his moves he was an easy tackle, once you got a hand on him...he shattered the NFL record for negative yards because he deplored contact, which is why he took himself out of the game at the goal line...he didn't like catching the ball even tho he was pretty good at it...Sanders was what we would call a pussy...but to dump on his line like he did and retire right when camp opened, leaving the Lions in the lurch was inexcusable...he can barely go out in public to this day, he is so despised...I'm from MI, I know...do you have any idea what a rushing championship means to the offensive line?....it's what they live for

644 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:19:55pm

re: #640 Mr Pancakes

I think Andy Warhol was wrong.

This was good, though:

I think having land and not ruining it is the most beautiful art that anybody could ever want to own.
--Andy Warhol
645 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:20:31pm

re: #621 albusteve

and Sanders, stupidly, threw in with three of the worst coaches in NFL history...plus he treated his team mates, especially his offensive line like shit...so far as to hand Smith a rushing title when he took himself out of a game in the forth quarter when the race was on...Barry Sanders was a major asshole and a football idiot...nobody could stand him then or now

wasn't sanders trying to GET OUT of Detroit for the last few years of his career?

as for his personal dickishness, so what? most of these guys are spoiled prima donnas told since pop warner that they're the greatest thing on earth. if i ignored all the asshole players, i couldn't watch any sports at all.

646 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:21:16pm

re: #643 albusteve

for all his moves he was an easy tackle, once you got a hand on him...he shattered the NFL record for negative yards because he deplored contact, which is why he took himself out of the game at the goal line...he didn't like catching the ball even tho he was pretty good at it...Sanders was what we would call a pussy...but to dump on his line like he did and retire right when camp opened, leaving the Lions in the lurch was inexcusable...he can barely go out in public to this day, he is so despised...I'm from MI, I know...do you have any idea what a rushing championship means to the offensive line?...it's what they live for

I did know he retired early....... not being a Lions fan I didn't give it much thought.

647 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:21:27pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

. How are the common folk tonight?

648 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:22:47pm

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I figured as much. I know how you use posts to have fun, Walter. It can be harsh, but its always well dome.

Financially, I'm stretching my budget right now signing up for a local 24 hour fitness club, but never before in my life has trying to stay healthy been a topic I even cared about. But 4-5 years ago scared me, when I got so big, and so abusing myself, that I could barely walk, sleep correctly or breath right.

And the last few years, after taking the weight off, and quitting the smoking, it's really for my own good that I don't revert to any old bad habits. And I've put on about 30 pounds over the last few years.

I'm at a prime time to back slide, so, I look at the 39 dollars a month as health insurance. It's a necessity, not a pleasure expense.

649 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:24:11pm

re: #643 albusteve

for all his moves he was an easy tackle, once you got a hand on him...he shattered the NFL record for negative yards because he deplored contact, which is why he took himself out of the game at the goal line...he didn't like catching the ball even tho he was pretty good at it...Sanders was what we would call a pussy...but to dump on his line like he did and retire right when camp opened, leaving the Lions in the lurch was inexcusable...he can barely go out in public to this day, he is so despised...I'm from MI, I know...do you have any idea what a rushing championship means to the offensive line?...it's what they live for

Say what you want about the moves, the quickness, whatever.. Sanders is another name among many. Emmitt has the wins, the SB rings, the stats, and yes, the career yardage record. He's the best, and anyone who argues otherwise is making excuses.

650 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:24:28pm

re: #643 albusteve

for all his moves he was an easy tackle, once you got a hand on him...he shattered the NFL record for negative yards because he deplored contact, which is why he took himself out of the game at the goal line...he didn't like catching the ball even tho he was pretty good at it...Sanders was what we would call a pussy...but to dump on his line like he did and retire right when camp opened, leaving the Lions in the lurch was inexcusable...he can barely go out in public to this day, he is so despised...I'm from MI, I know...do you have any idea what a rushing championship means to the offensive line?...it's what they live for

You & I don't often agree, but I wish I had more than one upding for this post.

I'm a Packers fan but even Detroit deserved better ...

651 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:24:34pm

re: #614 marjoriemoon

Life happens to people. You work hard all your life, you save, and then some catastrophe comes along, an illness, you lose your job, your business goes under, and you're broke. Have to sell it all and dip into the savings. It got ramped up after 2003-2004, but it's not a new phenomena. It's called Life.

Yep, I was technically a millionaire on paper for a year or two when my stereo store was booming. Than Circuit City came to town, and a year later, Best Buy. A bit after that, I had to file for bankruptcy for both the business and personally. Now I'm living on my military and SS income, IRA and ebay business.

652 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:24:42pm

re: #628 marjoriemoon

Housing prices here peaked in 2005.

It was absurd, and I am glad I sold my house when I did, though it was 18 months before the peak and I guess I could have held on a bit longer and got a larger price. Yet my sale was so easy, no agent, quick and painless that I doubt I could have done it so easily if I had held on.

Total US debt is far more than the "national" debt. People overlook all the private debt, which is staggering.

653 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:25:53pm

re: #645 palomino

wasn't sanders trying to GET OUT of Detroit for the last few years of his career?

as for his personal dickishness, so what? most of these guys are spoiled prima donnas told since pop warner that they're the greatest thing on earth. if i ignored all the asshole players, i couldn't watch any sports at all.

no...look at the tapes of the last game of the season when he quit, while E Smith stole the rushing title....he sat all alone on the end of the bench like poison, which he was....his line was stunned, it was a disgrace...he did nothing for the Lions....Sanders sucked, not a money player

654 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:26:41pm

re: #643 albusteve

When I was living in Texas... 1974-1989, there was only one way to spell Cowboys in the 70's ... Laundry and Staubach. It's never been the same... and I don't even like football that much.

655 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:27:23pm

re: #651 avanti

Yep, I was technically a millionaire on paper for a year or two when my stereo store was booming. Than Circuit City came to town, and a year later, Best Buy. A bit after that, I had to file for bankruptcy for both the business and personally. Now I'm living on my military and SS income, IRA and ebay business.

That sucked...re: #649 cliffster

Say what you want about the moves, the quickness, whatever.. Sanders is another name among many. Emmitt has the wins, the SB rings, the stats, and yes, the career yardage record. He's the best, and anyone who argues otherwise is making excuses.

Really?.... he sucked as a Cardinal.
/

656 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:28:23pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I have taken off 30 pounds, just by walking. I get up & do 4-5 miles a day. I'm very happy with what I have been able to do to my body. I hope you have good luck. It's not really luck, it's persistence.

657 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:29:04pm

re: #649 cliffster

Say what you want about the moves, the quickness, whatever.. Sanders is another name among many. Emmitt has the wins, the SB rings, the stats, and yes, the career yardage record. He's the best, and anyone who argues otherwise is making excuses.

Smith was a PLAYER...bet on it, one of the most popular guys to ever put on pads...he did it all and was humble about it...check out the story when he broke Paytons record....he worshipped Walter and emmulated him....Sanders is totally forgetable

658 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:29:41pm

re: #656 Floral Giraffe

Walter, I have taken off 30 pounds, just by walking. I get up & do 4-5 miles a day. I'm very happy with what I have been able to do to my body. I hope you have good luck. It's not really luck, it's persistence.

I know... I was 424 pounds 4 years ago... I already took it off, but have gotten a bit lazy over the last couple of years, so, back to the gym.

659 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:30:02pm

re: #656 Floral Giraffe

Walter, I have taken off 30 pounds, just by walking. I get up & do 4-5 miles a day. I'm very happy with what I have been able to do to my body. I hope you have good luck. It's not really luck, it's persistence.

Thanks.

660 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:30:58pm

re: #650 wlewisiii

You & I don't often agree, but I wish I had more than one upding for this post.

I'm a Packers fan but even Detroit deserved better ...

yup, all that Sanders hype bullshit for nothing...an epic waste

661 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:31:23pm

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

I know... I was 424 pounds 4 years ago... I already took it off, but have gotten a bit lazy over the last couple of years, so, back to the gym.

Congrats man........ that is a major goal achieved.

662 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:32:47pm

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

When I was living in Texas... 1974-1989, there was only one way to spell Cowboys in the 70's ... Laundry and Staubach. It's never been the same... and I don't even like football that much.

we'll get you a groove amigo...football is better than sex

663 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:35:02pm

re: #662 albusteve

we'll get you a groove amigo...football is better than sex

Sadly...... I must agree

664 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:35:07pm

re: #657 albusteve

I watched a game against the Giants where he had dislocated his shoulder in the first half. Not only played the second half but put the team on his back, won the game, and finished with 230 yards on the game. What a champion.

665 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:35:10pm

re: #649 cliffster

Say what you want about the moves, the quickness, whatever.. Sanders is another name among many. Emmitt has the wins, the SB rings, the stats, and yes, the career yardage record. He's the best, and anyone who argues otherwise is making excuses.

the best of this era. the best rb of all time is jim brown, hands down. the guy carried defenders all over the field AND he had speed. totally dominated his era in a way no one has since.

666 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:35:41pm

re: #662 albusteve

we'll get you a groove amigo...football is better than sex

Nope... never liked the sport that much... Laundry and Staubach were magical as a "Team," but I haven't found that kind of magic in Denver... it's hard enough for me to even pay attention to the local home team, I'm certainly not going to look all over the country for some team to follow... no, if the Broncos get some sort of thing going, enough to interest me, then I'll sit down, watch a few games, pay attention... otherwise...

667 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:37:42pm

re: #661 Mr Pancakes

Congrats man... that is a major goal achieved.

Thanks...

Bed time... have a full second shift at the store tomorrow (my fault, they asked me to work a full shift, I said yes)...

I'll be around before noon, before I leave.

Night all.

Steve-o... call me some time... maybe we can make a trip to Conifer work out soon... it would be good for all for us...right.

668 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:39:05pm

re: #664 cliffster

I watched a game against the Giants where he had dislocated his shoulder in the first half. Not only played the second half but put the team on his back, won the game, and finished with 230 yards on the game. What a champion.

1993....he won the MVP, the SB MVP and the NFL rushing title...nobody has ever done that, and he did it in 14 games...and he ran the ball eight straight times to beat the Giants in overtime that game...probably the greatest accomplishment ever by a single player in one season...chew on that

669 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:39:39pm

re: #653 albusteve

no...look at the tapes of the last game of the season when he quit, while E Smith stole the rushing title...he sat all alone on the end of the bench like poison, which he was...his line was stunned, it was a disgrace...he did nothing for the Lions...Sanders sucked, not a money player

are you sure he didn't want to leave DET? i vaguely remember banter at the time that he was sick of losing in Det, and also worried that he would forever have to answer the dan marino question: why didn't you win any SBs?

670 cliffster  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:39:39pm

re: #665 palomino

the best of this era. the best rb of all time is jim brown, hands down. the guy carried defenders all over the field AND he had speed. totally dominated his era in a way no one has since.

The Jim Brown era didn't feature people like Demarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora. These guys are superhuman.. 6'6", 240lbs, run like the wind, quick like a jackrabbit. Guys these days are bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. All these conversations about how so-and-so team of today would do against a team from decades ago - just ignoring reality.

671 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:41:00pm

re: #667 Walter L. Newton

Thanks...

Bed time... have a full second shift at the store tomorrow (my fault, they asked me to work a full shift, I said yes)...

I'll be around before noon, before I leave.

Night all.

Steve-o... call me some time... maybe we can make a trip to Conifer work out soon... it would be good for all for us...right.

shit, i was gonna talk to you last weekend...my surgery is next Friday, I don't know what to expect as for rehab etc...but you are number one on my hit list

672 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:43:52pm

re: #669 palomino

are you sure he didn't want to leave DET? i vaguely remember banter at the time that he was sick of losing in Det, and also worried that he would forever have to answer the dan marino question: why didn't you win any SBs?

he was sick of losing but it was as much his own doing as anybody's...there was no way Detroit would trade him

673 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:48:23pm

re: #670 cliffster

The Jim Brown era didn't feature people like Demarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora. These guys are superhuman.. 6'6", 240lbs, run like the wind, quick like a jackrabbit. Guys these days are bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. All these conversations about how so-and-so team of today would do against a team from decades ago - just ignoring reality.

Bob Lilly...the first prototype tackle of the modern era and Cowboy HOFamer and he could barely stop Brown

674 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:53:07pm

re: #670 cliffster

The Jim Brown era didn't feature people like Demarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora. These guys are superhuman.. 6'6", 240lbs, run like the wind, quick like a jackrabbit. Guys these days are bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. All these conversations about how so-and-so team of today would do against a team from decades ago - just ignoring reality.

Sure they're bigger, faster and stronger now, because the pharmaceuticals and other training technology didn't exist back in the 60s. That doesn't mean old timers have no place in the discussion. Human beings haven't evolved much in the last 40 years, but performance enhancing drugs have.

How do you think we got from the 80s, when the Fridge was the biggest D lineman and considered a freak because of his size, to the present, where the average D lineman is bigger than Fridge. In just 20 years, these guys have increased in average size by over 20%? Think that's organic?

But Brown wasn't a runt, even by today's standards. He dominated his era like no other RB since, leading the league in yards 8 of 9 seasons. He set the template for the modern RB. He punished defenders and was

675 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:53:50pm

Have a great even folks.

W.

676 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:57:37pm

re: #673 albusteve

Bob Lilly...the first prototype tackle of the modern era and Cowboy HOFamer and he could barely stop Brown

Butkus and Nitschke didn't suck either.

Jim Brown was the closest football has had to a Babe Ruth: shattering records, dominating thoroughly, doing things nobody had before--a player without precedent.

677 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:07:05pm

re: #676 palomino

Butkus and Nitschke didn't suck either.

Jim Brown was the closest football has had to a Babe Ruth: shattering records, dominating thoroughly, doing things nobody had before--a player without precedent.

re: #676 palomino

Butkus and Nitschke didn't suck either.

Jim Brown was the closest football has had to a Babe Ruth: shattering records, dominating thoroughly, doing things nobody had before--a player without precedent.

You might want to look at Don Hutson before saying that. And that is no slight on Jim Brown - he was great. Don was just that much ... more. Seriously. He should have been on Pop Warner's Carlisle teams because only Jim Thorpe was better.


OK, off to bed. For real. Promise.

678 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:38:06pm

re: #121 darthstar

I got a new bicycle today.

Tomorrow we go for our first ride...Just a few miles to get our legs and saddles back (still need to buy bike shorts for longer rides). Then it's three or four rides/week of varying length to get ourselves in shape for a couple of 50 mile tries in September. I figure if we can get up to 15-20 miles regularly, the longer ride will be doable in 4-5 hours.

Nice machine. You're going to be fine for 50 miles in 4-5 hours. One suggestion though, if you're a man, get this kind of a saddle: split seats avoid damage
(anything that is split like that one will serve; no representation is made that this one is high quality or low price, or vice versa. It's JUST an EXAMPLE.)

You can read all about what kind of damage, in the promotional material.

679 windsagio  Sat, Aug 7, 2010 2:11:17am

To go back to the original point for a minute, Apple is still a huge scam upon the hip and loose with money.

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Aug 7, 2010 6:13:25am

Thanks guys.


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