Tech Note: jQuery 1.6 Installed, All Systems Go

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jQuery 1.6 has been released, and after testing, it’s now installed at LGF. Here’s a thread to report any problems or anomalies.

I’ve tested so far in Safari, Chrome, and Firefox in Mac OS, and Internet Explorer 8 in Windows, with no problems.

There is a problem several people have reported with Internet Explorer 7 (unrelated to the new version of jQuery), that I’m finding very difficult to track down. Unfortunately, it’s a crashing bug — IE7 starts loading the page, then issues a cryptic error message and bugs out. I usually suspect Javascript with these kinds of problems, but I’ve actually tested with no Javascript loading at all, and IE7 still crashes.

I’ve even reverted to a version of the site’s code from two months ago, when I’m pretty sure IE7 was working, and it still crashes. Odd. The HTML for the page validates perfectly, and Googling for IE7’s error message didn’t reveal anything helpful (it’s an “appcrash” in iexplore.exe and module ntdll.dll). So I’m grateful for any suggestions from techies on where to look.

Have I mentioned lately what a $#%@ %$#^&@ Internet Explorer is?

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721 comments
1 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:42:50pm

Its going to be a good week for the Daily show.

2 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:46:52pm

possibility: [Link: www.nerdscene.com...]

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:51:11pm

re: #2 kirkspencer

possibility: [Link: www.nerdscene.com...]

Nope -- the problem with LGF happens just trying to load the page. It starts loading, then crashes.

4 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:51:58pm

Geller should join Human Rights Watch, they have a lot i9n common.

Here's a moonbat from HRW questioning the legality of killing UBL. I guess there aren't many non terrorists out there who's Human Rights are being violated right now. They need to find something to get some news exposure.

HRW embarrasses itself, again

5 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:53:53pm

re: #3 Charles

Nope -- the problem with LGF happens just trying to load the page. It starts loading, then crashes.

Have you started a process monitor then run the load=>crash?

6 Ugly John  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:53:58pm

re: #4 Naso Tang

Geller should join Human Rights Watch, they have a lot i9n common.

Here's a moonbat from HRW questioning the legality of killing UBL. I guess there aren't many non terrorists out there who's Human Rights are being violated right now. They need to find something to get some news exposure.

HRW embarrasses itself, again

I think with HRW the word should be "still" not "again".

7 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:56:05pm

OT but I am finally watching Obama's correspendents dinner speech. Got some good chuckles tehre.

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:56:32pm

re: #5 kirkspencer

How would I do that?

9 chonguey  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:00:13pm

Politics, opinion and all the latest on web frameworks. That's why I love LGF! :)

10 William of Orange  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:00:31pm

I recently upgraded to Internet Explorer 9. And I must say, this really is an improvement speed wise compared to IE8 when it comes to reading LGF. Especially when a thread totally explodes into a posting frenzy. The pages take way less amount of time to load than the previous edition.

The bookmarks moved to the top of the page and the "favorites" moved to the top right, which takes some adjusting on my part. There's more room for the main site information on the screen with IE9. The search window in IE8 is now integrated into the address bar which also saves space. (Still redirects me to my main search engine Google instead of MSN.)

So far, apart from the adjusting, IE9 is far from perfect but at least it's an improvement to IE8. That's my experience to date.


Any additions to make, Charles?

11 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:00:53pm

re: #9 chonguey

Politics, opinion and all the latest on web frameworks. That's why I love LGF! :)

I miss the pun threads...

12 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:01:41pm

So Jerry Lewis wrote this code? No wonder it crashes...

Does the error message say "Ha, ha, Pretty lady!"

///perhaps if LGF had a header with a large breasted woman in a low cut gown it would work?

(Wonders if anyone under 50 will even get this in the slightest)

13 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:03:17pm

re: #12 ausador

So Jerry Lewis wrote this code? No wonder it crashes...

Does the error message say "Ha, ha, Pretty lady!"

///perhaps if LGF had a header with a large breasted woman in a low cut gown it would work?

(Wonders if anyone under 50 will even get this in the slightest)

Under 50 and I loved Jerry Lewis when I was a kid, HEY LADY!!

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:04:25pm

re: #10 William of Orange

Haven't installed IE9 yet -- is it officially released or is it still a beta version?

15 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:04:49pm

re: #11 brookly red

I miss the pun threads...

I'm sure we'll spool one up again soon.

16 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:05:22pm

Wailin Palin
when your wits are dim and your chances slim
the microphone smiles and winks
do you suppose the length of your nose
recalls that your shit will stink?

17 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:06:16pm

re: #15 darthstar

I'm sure we'll spool one up again soon.

just needle him a bit

18 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:06:32pm

re: #17 albusteve

just needle him a bit

He's just bobbin for a compliment.

19 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:06:51pm

re: #18 darthstar

He's just bobbin for a complimentupding.


My bad

20 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:07:11pm

re: #18 darthstar

He's just bobbin for a compliment.

he's a pin head

21 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:07:14pm

re: #14 Charles

Haven't installed IE9 yet -- is it officially released or is it still a beta version?

Its being pushed now via Windows Update.

22 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:07:49pm

re: #20 albusteve

he's a pin head

your sayin sew don't make it sew...

23 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:07:57pm

re: #20 albusteve

he's a pin head

It's not as thimble as that (thaid with a lithp)

24 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:08:23pm

re: #14 Charles

Haven't installed IE9 yet -- is it officially released or is it still a beta version?

IE 9 is currently an "important update" on windows update so apparently it is now mainstream.

25 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:08:39pm

re: #22 brookly red

your sayin sew don't make it sew...

Well, we can still selvage this topic.

26 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:09:18pm

re: #20 albusteve

he's a pin head

No reason to needle him.

27 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:09:35pm

re: #26 blueraven

No reason to needle him.

Why? He likes being hemmed in.

28 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:09:52pm

re: #22 brookly red

your sayin sew don't make it sew...

feeling hemmed in?

29 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:10:20pm

re: #28 albusteve

thief!

30 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:10:38pm

re: #28 albusteve

feeling hemmed in?

oh cool! a thread, thread...

31 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:10:42pm

Weave got to stop with the pun threads.

32 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:10:45pm

re: #29 albusteve

thief!

Final score:
Knit 1
Pearl 2

33 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:11:05pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Weave got to stop with the pun threads.

KNOT!

34 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:11:17pm

re: #30 brookly red

oh cool! a thread, thread...

We're just stringing you along.

35 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:11:18pm

re: #27 darthstar

re: #28 albusteve

zig and zag?

36 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:11:39pm

re: #35 blueraven

re: #28 albusteve

zig and zag?

Sorry...I don't read the papers.

37 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:11:51pm

Things calm in Misrata today, but anxiety is in the air:

Hala Jaber
#Misrata; "quiet day and evening, yet concern if this is the calm before the storm."

The commenters on the Live Blog there have figured out that alot of the Pro-Qaddafi trolls that appear right about now come from Slavic areas. They are calling the time "Slavic Trolling Time."

38 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:11:53pm

re: #34 darthstar

We're just stringing you along.

by shear luck

39 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:12:13pm

re: #38 albusteve

by shear luck

Well, we are a cut above the rest.

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:12:26pm

re: #4 Naso Tang

Geller should join Human Rights Watch, they have a lot i9n common.

Here's a moonbat from HRW questioning the legality of killing UBL. I guess there aren't many non terrorists out there who's Human Rights are being violated right now. They need to find something to get some news exposure.

HRW embarrasses itself, again

Ha! It's nice to laugh at some stupid lefties for a change of pace. Feels like old times.

41 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:12:39pm

re: #11 brookly red

I miss the pun threads...

Yeah, they're toast lately.

42 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:13:31pm

re: #36 darthstar

Sorry...I don't read the papers.

well, you need a lickin then

43 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:13:41pm

re: #41 Naso Tang

They're caught up in a bit of a jam.

44 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:14:19pm

re: #39 darthstar

Well, we are a cut above the rest.

A seamless progression.

45 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:14:37pm

re: #43 ProLifeLiberal

They're caught up in a bit of a jam.

stop speading stuff around

46 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:14:45pm

re: #43 ProLifeLiberal

They're caught up in a bit of a jam.

this is a sewing thread, don't waffle...

47 tigger2005  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:15:07pm

Off the geek topic...it really FREAKS ME OUT how many people I know and care about have drunk the Kool-Aid. I put up a post on Facebook about how insane the "Where's the PROOF bin Laden's really dead" meme is, and one friend responded, "Well, what people are saying is...they showed pictures of Billy the Kid...so come on fork over the proof...and what did they do with his son's body..." blah blah blah crazy crazy blah!

How did people's neurons get so twisted? Is it the hole in the ozone? WHAT?? Why is thinking semi-logically so painfully HARD for so many? Don't they understand that if they can actually believe the President is capable of a lie of this magnitude, he is then more than capable of faking a stupid death photograph?

48 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:15:21pm

re: #46 brookly red

this is a sewing thread, don't waffle...

Yeah, zip it.

49 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:15:22pm

I would be in stitches if the puns were funnier.

50 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:15:30pm

re: #46 brookly red

this is a sewing thread, don't waffle...

We get into a jam and it all starts to unravel.

51 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:15:52pm

re: #48 allegro

Yeah, zip it.

thanks for ironing that out...

52 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:16:33pm

re: #51 brookly red

thanks for ironing that out...

Just pressing forward.

53 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:16:44pm

re: #47 tigger2005

Off the geek topic...it really FREAKS ME OUT how many people I know and care about have drunk the Kool-Aid. I put up a post on Facebook about how insane the "Where's the PROOF bin Laden's really dead" meme is, and one friend responded, "Well, what people are saying is...they showed pictures of Billy the Kid...so come on fork over the proof...and what did they do with his son's body..." blah blah blah crazy crazy blah!

How did people's neurons get so twisted? Is it the hole in the ozone? WHAT?? Why is thinking semi-logically so painfully HARD for so many? Don't they understand that if they can actually believe the President is capable of a lie of this magnitude, he is then more than capable of faking a stupid death photograph?

Worse! There is a Democrat in the whitehouse!!

54 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:17:06pm

Double puns! That's what you call jamming the thread.

55 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:17:52pm

re: #54 Naso Tang

Double puns! That's what you call jamming the thread.

tailor made for punsters...

56 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:19:36pm

re: #54 Naso Tang

Double puns! That's what you call jamming the thread.

Some threads seam tailor made for them.

57 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:20:16pm

Always good to preserve the pattern.

58 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:20:36pm

re: #53 blueraven

Worse! There is a Democrat in the whitehouse!!

that tears it!

59 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:21:32pm

re: #57 allegro

Always good to preserve the pattern.

chalk it up to experience...

60 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:23:03pm

re: #57 allegro

Always good to preserve the pattern.

That's what one calls the fruit of the loom.

61 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:23:08pm

And Bryan Fischer once again can't resist making himself look like a complete cock-gobbler.


I Welcome the Democrats to The “Support Capital Punishment” Club

They cannot stop congratulating themselves and President Obama for directing the double-tap-to-the-head operation that left Osama bin Laden’s compound covered in blood. The Democrats love it!

The president said, of this execution style slaying, “Justice has been done.” And Democrats gleefully cheer in wholehearted agreement.

They seem oblivious to what they have done here. They have, by the words that have come from their own mouths, applauded the use of the death penalty – by firing squad, no less – as an instrument of justice.

Welcome, welcome, I say to the world of conservative principle. What took you so long?

The Democrats cannot say enough wonderful things about the leadership and resolve of our commander in chief, who also could not say enough wonderful things about our commander in chief in his address to the nation on Sunday night.

Running through the entire thesaurus of first person pronouns – I, me, my, mine – he spoke as if he himself had pulled the trigger. He couldn’t stop talking about how he had made the decision, he had organized the team, he had reviewed the intelligence, he had issued the directive. This operation, he made clear to the Muslim world, was his doing.

What Obama has failed to realize is that he has proudly proclaimed that he is the infidel and Muslim apostate who took out the lion of Islam. Apparently heedless of what he was doing, he has just invited all the vitriol, hatred and animosity of the entire Muslim world down upon his own head.

He had no interest in sharing with President Bush any of the responsibility for Osama getting his head blown off and his body dumped unceremoniously in the deep blue sea. Nope, he was intent on taking 100% of the credit.

Youtube Video
62 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:24:57pm

re: #58 brookly red

that tears it!


Zip it!

63 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:25:51pm

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

my interests in nutters is zero...they don't listen to me so I merely reciprocate

64 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:26:38pm

re: #62 blueraven

Zip it!

Somebody overlocked the thread

65 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:29:04pm

Test

66 recusancy  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:30:16pm

re: #8 Charles

How would I do that?

I ran one for the hell of it and it got to the cookbook before it crashed.

67 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:31:31pm

LGF loads fine in IE9.

68 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:32:02pm

re: #64 HoosierHoops

Somebody overlocked the thread

We will have to mend that right now.

69 Summer Seale  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:32:32pm

1) IE9 is official since a month or so.
2) People shouldn't use IE 6 or 7 anymore. If you are, change.
3) Did you try reverting IE8 to "factory settings"? That fixed it for me on my own site I design and maintain professionally for my job. It does more than just clear the cache. And yes, it was IE8 that caused problems until I did that. It wasn't even identifying as IE8 until I did that.

70 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:33:43pm

re: #68 blueraven

We will have to mend that right now.

should be easy to patch up.

71 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:35:09pm

My cat Bflat...on grass.

72 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:35:57pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

Test


icle

73 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:36:03pm

As pirate attacks grow, shipowners take arms

Until last year, security contractors -- as most in the industry call themselves -- usually acted as unarmed advisers, helping overstretched, undertrained crews keep watch for pirates, and ensuring captains held their nerve under attack. A ship's master was advised to stick to routes patrolled by naval forces, use razor wire and water cannon to prevent pirates from boarding and -- crucially -- keep the vessel moving.

Now, though, more and more ships carry their own weapons. Trawlers and other deep-sea fishing vessels routinely carry heavy machine guns. Before a ship enters port, industry insiders say, the arms are hidden or thrown overboard; that way, no-one gets caught breaking the law.

The shipping industry says it's taking that step extremely reluctantly. The International Maritime Organization (IMO), the United Nations body charged with ensuring the safety of shipping, advises against seafarers carrying weapons, but leaves the decision on whether they travel with specialist security personnel up to the state where a ship is registered.

"We spent three years advising against carrying armed security details," says Peter Hinchcliffe, a former British submarine commander who is now chairman of the London-based International Chamber of Shipping. "It's something I feel very uncomfortable about. But the situation has deteriorated to the extent that sometimes now there is just no choice, even though it is a legal minefield."

Several experts and military officers say there might now be at least one firefight between contractors and pirates every day, although many are never reported.

LEGAL GREY AREA

"Right guys, the current IMO guidelines are against the carriage of weapons and you need to be aware of this," Williams tells his class. "But things are changing all the time. Legally speaking, it's complicated, to put it mildly. In Iraq, it is very clear. You work under the rules of the country. Here, there are many more grey areas."

Over the last two centuries, the use of military force at sea has become largely the preserve of states. The legal basis under which modern-day cargo ships -- with their often multinational crews and ownership structures -- can use lethal weaponry is far from clear, and the IMO guidelines have no weight in international law.

Williams tells his students that their best bet is to find a reputable security company that operates with clear rules of engagement -- but that even then, it may be impossible to avoid a whole host of legal dangers.

"We are former servicemen, and as such are simple creatures, but you can guarantee the ambulance-chasers and human rights lawyers are sitting on the sidelines watching this," he says.

74 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:36:05pm

Things are getting bad for Qaddafi:

11:27pm
Gaddafi troops using rockets with a range reaching 100 kilometres, carrying cluster munitions, have been deployed at western Kakla gate. Groups of Gaddafi troops have surrendered themselves to the Tunisian army after crossing into Tunisian territories via al-Assa district.
NATO has meanwhile bombarded and destroyed tanks manned by Gaddafi troops.

Unconfirmed news said rebel fighters in Misurata have succeeded in capturing one of the key figures of Gaddafi troops, while Misurata port is still closed, while rebel fighters said they had repelled an attack by Gaddafi armoured brigades there.

75 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:36:29pm

Having problems with IE? Simple fix: Stop using it.

76 brennant  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:36:30pm

LGF update?

Rock on!

77 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:38:00pm

re: #76 brennant

LGF update?

Rock on!

Deserves to be a popup..

78 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:38:05pm

re: #71 darthstar

My cat Bflat...on grass.

Nom nom!

79 brennant  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:39:21pm

re: #77 darthstar

Deserves to be a popup..

Nice.

I have music blaring in the background, and that gif was keeping time. :P

80 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:39:24pm

what ever happened to our friendly blues harp player from DC?
his name is Steve Levine...anybody recall his nic?

81 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:39:41pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As pirate attacks grow, shipowners take arms

sometimes the obvious becomes acceptable.

82 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:40:54pm

re: #79 brennant

Nice.

I have music blaring in the background, and that gif was keeping time. :P

I never post without tunes going....never
Big Daddy Stallings right now

83 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:41:37pm

re: #81 brookly red

sometimes the obvious becomes acceptable.

yes, "I choose life!"
novel concept

84 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:41:39pm

re: #81 brookly red

Sounds good to me.

The Al Jazeera Live Blog has turned into another Balkan fight between the Pro-Bosnians and Pro-Serbians.

85 brennant  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:43:18pm

re: #82 albusteve

I never post without tunes going...never
Big Daddy Stallings right now

Burning Inside (Live)

86 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:43:39pm

Big Daddy
[Link: www.bigdaddystallings.com....]

87 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:44:23pm

Reading the sewing puns upthread, I'm impressed by how many of you guys know actual real sewing terms!

88 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:44:42pm

re: #84 ProLifeLiberal

Sounds good to me.

The Al Jazeera Live Blog has turned into another Balkan fight between the Pro-Bosnians and Pro-Serbians.

It is only a matter of time till that one starts up again.

89 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:45:11pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Reading the sewing puns upthread, I'm impressed by how many of you guys know actual real sewing terms!

I lied...I know nothing about it
but a make a swell ham sandwich

90 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:45:14pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Reading the sewing puns upthread, I'm impressed by how many of you guys know actual real sewing terms!

some of us can cook too....

91 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:45:57pm

re: #85 brennant

Burning Inside (Live)

I don't have any of their stuff...on my list tho

92 brennant  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:46:52pm

re: #89 albusteve

I lied...I know nothing about it
but a make a swell ham sandwich

I have the bone from a 25 lb. ham cooked for Easter dinner. Bean soup, here I come. Om nom nom...

93 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:46:53pm

re: #88 brookly red

I support the Bosnians. Part of the ethnic hodgepodge I am is Slovak and Hungarian. Two groups the Serbs cleansed out of Vojvodina.

94 brennant  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:47:49pm

re: #91 albusteve

I don't have any of their stuff...on my list tho

Saw them at Lolapalooza II (sp?). Loudest set I have ever heard.

95 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:50:01pm

re: #80 albusteve

what ever happened to our friendly blues harp player from DC?
his name is Steve Levine...anybody recall his nic?

Flounced. Yeah, I was surprised, too.

96 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:50:05pm

re: #94 brennant

Saw them at Lolapalooza II (sp?). Loudest set I have ever heard.

love me some blues...next year I'm hittin the trail again...I want to go up there and look up those guys...I've been out of it

97 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:50:33pm

re: #82 albusteve

I never post without tunes going...never
Big Daddy Stallings right now

I've got Bobby and the boys singing New Minglewood Blues right now.

A couple shots of whiskey,
Women round here start looking good
A couple shots of whiskey,
Women round here start looking good
A couple more shots of whiskey,
I'm going down to Minglewood.

98 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:51:15pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Flounced. Yeah, I was surprised, too.

Mad Al....bummer
why would he do such a thing?

99 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:53:48pm

OT: Thinking about the Playstation fiasco, not to mention Wikileaks and others; even though it is hard to prevent all hacking, even with stolen passwords, how hard could it be to have a system that will simply not allow any large data dumps to come from certain databases?

Even if they are accessed constantly internally, there have to be characteristic that would identify any non legitimate bulk data transfer, particularly if it comes from (or goes to) an outside address.

100 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:54:49pm

re: #93 ProLifeLiberal

I support the Bosnians. Part of the ethnic hodgepodge I am is Slovak and Hungarian. Two groups the Serbs cleansed out of Vojvodina.

pardon me if I steer clear of this one...

101 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:56:14pm

re: #100 brookly red

I know, the whole thing explodes. I've seen the stories of the 90's though, and they make me angry.

102 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:58:46pm

blues

Youtube Video
103 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:01:06pm

STOP!
NO POSTING ZONE

104 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:02:04pm

re: #103 albusteve

I just posted.

105 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:05:03pm

Apparently, the Qaddafi forces in Tripoli are now using an old cigarette factory as barracks.

You all know what to do.

106 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:05:47pm

re: #104 ProLifeLiberal

I saw a turtle.

107 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:06:38pm

my hair went from an inch below my shoulders to an inch, period....crazy, feeling and my head is freezing

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:08:28pm

re: #99 Naso Tang

OT: Thinking about the Playstation fiasco, not to mention Wikileaks and others; even though it is hard to prevent all hacking, even with stolen passwords, how hard could it be to have a system that will simply not allow any large data dumps to come from certain databases?

Even if they are accessed constantly internally, there have to be characteristic that would identify any non legitimate bulk data transfer, particularly if it comes from (or goes to) an outside address.

Well, yeah ... but the problem is that a hacker who gains root access (which the Sony PS hacker did) can disable any protection like that.

109 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:09:01pm

Condilingus says Bush's "bullhorn moment" at Ground Zero in 2001 was "Probably The Most Important Moment Maybe In American History"

I'm not shitting you.

110 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:10:23pm

Need help finding a link debunking a e-mail I received about Obama talking 16 hours to make up his mind about the SEAL mission. The story starts with the normal, BS Daily Mail, and they reference the NYT, but provide no link.

"The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan.

But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think - and disappeared out of the room.

'I'm not going to tell you what my decision is now - I'm going to go back and think about it some more,' said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added 'I'm going to make a decision soon."
I can't find anything from the NYT saying that and the story is making the rounds already. Of course a 16 hour delay to ponder the mission would be no major scandal anyway.

Daily Mail..

111 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:11:35pm

re: #109 darthstar

Condilingus says Bush's "bullhorn moment" at Ground Zero in 2001 was "Probably The Most Important Moment Maybe In American History"

I'm not shitting you.

oh my, let me sit down

112 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:12:40pm

re: #109 darthstar

That's a pretty stupid name, dude.

113 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:12:48pm

re: #111 albusteve

oh my, let me sit down

yeah...that Emancipation Proclamation thing was just a minor event...as was that declaration of independiethingie...

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:12:57pm

So here is my LGF page about cheap shots at scientologists, and social conservative protestantism

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


Cheers, back to work

115 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:13:02pm

Terrorist Attack in Benghazi:

12:55am
Officials say a car bomb in the opposition stronghold of Benghazi has slightly injured two people.

The blast caused hundreds of men, many carrying weapons, to come out onto the street and climb on top of the twisted wreckage of the car to yell slogans against Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader.

Nasser Warfuli, a local journalist, identified the car as a white Chevrolet, and said it exploded just before evening prayers.

Doctors at al-Jalaa hospital say two people suffered superficial shrapnel wounds.

116 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:13:50pm

re: #110 avanti

Everything I've read says that they were never 100% certain that Osama was there. So that would bust that story from the start.

117 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:14:06pm

re: #112 Obdicut

That's a pretty stupid name, dude.

Heh...I haven't typed that in a few years...I guess it's still second nature...never really cared for her, but didn't think she was as stupid as Palin - in fact, I thought she was pretty smart. Doesn't say much for Stanford University that she's on their staff.

118 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:14:16pm

re: #113 darthstar

yeah...that Emancipation Proclamation thing was just a minor event...as was that declaration of independiethingie...

yawn....whaa?
why would I care about that shit?....wrong guy
and why diss Rice?....you sure dislike alot of people

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:15:29pm

re: #112 Obdicut

I'd sure vote for Condi over a lot of sellout Blue Dog Dems, that's for damned sure. Intelligence matters

She's an intellectual (and an incredibly accomplished musician) which makes her five times the potent mind of a whole lot of Dems

120 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:15:41pm

re: #110 avanti

Need help finding a link debunking a e-mail I received about Obama talking 16 hours to make up his mind about the SEAL mission. The story starts with the normal, BS Daily Mail, and they reference the NYT, but provide no link.

"The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan.

But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think - and disappeared out of the room.

'I'm not going to tell you what my decision is now - I'm going to go back and think about it some more,' said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added 'I'm going to make a decision soon."
I can't find anything from the NYT saying that and the story is making the rounds already. Of course a 16 hour delay to ponder the mission would be no major scandal anyway.

Daily Mail..

why would you want to debunk it?... it sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Now I am not an Obama fan at all, but taking the time to make a responsible decision sounds like the right thing to do...

121 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:15:43pm

re: #117 darthstar

Heh...I haven't typed that in a few years...I guess it's still second nature...never really cared for her, but didn't think she was as stupid as Palin - in fact, I thought she was pretty smart. Doesn't say much for Stanford University that she's on their staff.

really, Stamford sucks now because of her....got it

122 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:16:07pm

re: #118 albusteve

yawn...whaa?
why would I care about that shit?...wrong guy
and why diss Rice?...you sure dislike alot of people

Nobody could have foreseen...(that was her fucking job in 2001...to foresee shit)

123 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:16:08pm

re: #117 darthstar

I disagree with her heartily, but she's talking on some TV program, politicking. That's not really the meat of what a person like her does.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:16:46pm

re: #117 darthstar

we're gonna have to disagree, I actually think Condi is quite brilliant, maybe she had to conform to the Bush administration's views, but she was the moderating voice, against the Cheney Rumsfeld camp

Not that it mattered, they ran the show, she didn't

125 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:16:57pm

re: #122 darthstar

Nobody could have foreseen...(that was her fucking job in 2001...to foresee shit)

so you could have done better?
quit fucking nit picking this stuff, makes you look like a moron

126 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:18:19pm

Okay...I see I've stepped in a heaping pile of shit here of my own making. Apologies across the board, and I'll take a self-imposed time-out for a few hours.

127 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:18:40pm

re: #124 WindUpBird

hey Bird... saw "zombie women of satan" today... thought of you.

128 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:19:30pm

re: #126 darthstar

Okay...I see I've stepped in a heaping pile of shit here of my own making. Apologies across the board, and I'll take a self-imposed time-out for a few hours.

a tiny bit of ooze....hardly a heaping pile

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:20:37pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Flounced. Yeah, I was surprised, too.

aw, that sucks :(


Oh well, I dug that guy, I never get the flouncing, it's not like you're forced to talk politics here, it's an opt in thing, you can just, ya know, BE AN ADULT AND ELECT NOT TO THROW A TANTRUM

One of my very good friends is an artist in the fandom, and a DIE HARD Ron Paul guy. Like, he has all the Fed talking points, denys he's involved with racist groups, doesn't care about PP in the slightest (he's gay and an outsider type like me) makes a rather modest living and still donates to his campaigns. Don't matter to me! he's still a great guy.

Le sigh

130 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:21:10pm

got to scape that shit right off my shoes...
Sweet Virginia

Youtube Video
131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:21:23pm

re: #126 darthstar

it's cool dude, I've done it many many times here :D

The good news is when i apologize, people generally forgive me, all's well

132 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:21:54pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

aw, that sucks :(

Oh well, I dug that guy, I never get the flouncing, it's not like you're forced to talk politics here, it's an opt in thing, you can just, ya know, BE AN ADULT AND ELECT NOT TO THROW A TANTRUM

One of my very good friends is an artist in the fandom, and a DIE HARD Ron Paul guy. Like, he has all the Fed talking points, denys he's involved with racist groups, doesn't care about PP in the slightest (he's gay and an outsider type like me) makes a rather modest living and still donates to his campaigns. Don't matter to me! he's still a great guy.

all in caps LOL

Le sigh

133 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:22:08pm

I'm glad this blog is so functional.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:22:18pm

re: #127 brookly red

hey Bird... saw "zombie women of satan" today... thought of you.

ahahahahahah I think that actually shows up on my netflix queue

Is that the thing where there's a burlesque dancer and the credits have the Juggalo looking clown guy with sunglasses? I think I saw the first five minutes of it

135 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:23:06pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

aw, that sucks :(

Oh well, I dug that guy, I never get the flouncing, it's not like you're forced to talk politics here, it's an opt in thing, you can just, ya know, BE AN ADULT AND ELECT NOT TO THROW A TANTRUM

One of my very good friends is an artist in the fandom, and a DIE HARD Ron Paul guy. Like, he has all the Fed talking points, denys he's involved with racist groups, doesn't care about PP in the slightest (he's gay and an outsider type like me) makes a rather modest living and still donates to his campaigns. Don't matter to me! he's still a great guy.

Le sigh

he was a musical goldmine...at least to me anyway, and a player
godDAMNitall

136 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:23:41pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

ahahahahahah I think that actually shows up on my netflix queue

Is that the thing where there's a burlesque dancer and the credits have the Juggalo looking clown guy with sunglasses? I think I saw the first five minutes of it

it was freaking awful... I give it 4 stars.

137 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:25:43pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

ahahahahahah I think that actually shows up on my netflix queue

Is that the thing where there's a burlesque dancer and the credits have the Juggalo looking clown guy with sunglasses? I think I saw the first five minutes of it

I put that on my instant Que. and moved it to the top... it's fun when 5 people in the family has access to Netflix and the Que., and no one will admit to putting a trashy movie in the Que..

138 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:25:59pm

re: #108 Charles

Well, yeah ... but the problem is that a hacker who gains root access (which the Sony PS hacker did) can disable any protection like that.

Then build non modifiable hardware protection into the servers. The code can be changed by physically removing a chip and burning new code into another one.

I just feel that people are lazy. There is no way I can accept that we can maneuver spacecraft among the satellites of Saturn and not figure out how to prevent a teenager from dumping gigabytes of our most secure data to his iPad when we know he is trying to do it.

139 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:26:35pm

Bobby Keys is part of the myth...a living legend
and I tossed away my chance to meet him right here in ABQ
stupid me

140 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:26:37pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

I put that on my instant Que. and moved it to the top... it's fun when 5 people in the family has access to Netflix and the Que., and no one will admit to putting a trashy movie in the Que..

Oh this was bad, in all the right ways...

141 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:26:38pm

re: #136 brookly red

it was freaking awful... I give it 4 stars.

With a title like ZOMBIE WOMEN OF SATAN, one doesn’t expect a particularly enlightening cinematic experience. The barely expect a decent movie. From the title, one might expect a lot of campy, gory fun. What we get instead is an aggressively unfunny pile with no scares, lousy gore, and some of the ugliest women on the planet. This is seriously one of the worst films I have EVER seen. Made some smarmy Brits who somehow roped a bunch of their friends into making this whirlwind of crap. Honestly… this is such a terrible film that one is tempted to hunt each and every one of the filmmakers are junk-punch them. Avoid this cr*p, kids. Avoid it like the plague.

142 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:27:45pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

yes it was that good.

143 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:28:44pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

I was surprised, too. He plays a mean harmonica.

144 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:28:58pm

I disagree with Rice but eh nothing to get worked up over in my eyes. And I agree with WUB, she's a smart woman, agree with her worldview or not.

145 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:30:17pm

re: #107 albusteve

my hair went from an inch below my shoulders to an inch, period...crazy, feeling and my head is freezing

What happened, did your hair shrink?
/

146 Sionainn  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:31:27pm

re: #47 tigger2005

Off the geek topic...it really FREAKS ME OUT how many people I know and care about have drunk the Kool-Aid. I put up a post on Facebook about how insane the "Where's the PROOF bin Laden's really dead" meme is, and one friend responded, "Well, what people are saying is...they showed pictures of Billy the Kid...so come on fork over the proof...and what did they do with his son's body..." blah blah blah crazy crazy blah!

How did people's neurons get so twisted? Is it the hole in the ozone? WHAT?? Why is thinking semi-logically so painfully HARD for so many? Don't they understand that if they can actually believe the President is capable of a lie of this magnitude, he is then more than capable of faking a stupid death photograph?

Other than the "drunk the Kool-Aid" reference, I completely agree with your post. There's lots of crazy talk out there.

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:32:00pm

once again, all my good material is in a Page: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

and NOW I must work, aaaagh

148 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:32:54pm

re: #145 reine.de.tout

What happened, did your hair shrink?
/

went out and had it cut....been awhile
lost over 30 pounds the past six months and I thought I'd just go all the way....I'm rapidly putting this nightmare behind me

149 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:33:51pm

re: #110 avanti

Need help finding a link debunking a e-mail I received about Obama talking 16 hours to make up his mind about the SEAL mission. The story starts with the normal, BS Daily Mail, and they reference the NYT, but provide no link.

16 hours after 10 years of intelligence gathering. As I understand it there was no reason to think he was there for a short visit only.

Are you old enough to remember Carter's Iran? A pilot mistake caused a ground collission between two aircraft on a desert strip in Iran. Killing several and aborting the mission. It was really the end of Carter's presidency, and it was pilot error.

This operation could have been very similar. I don't buy mechanical failure. A pilot made a mistake that resulted in a hard landing in the compound. It could have killed all on board and we could have had a Carter all over again.

Do you think Obama didn't know that, let alone the possibility of no UBL in the compound?

150 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:34:55pm

re: #148 albusteve

went out and had it cut...been awhile
lost over 30 pounds the past six months and I thought I'd just go all the way...I'm rapidly putting this nightmare behind me

yay!

151 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:35:40pm

re: #149 Naso Tang

16 hours after 10 years of intelligence gathering. As I understand it there was no reason to think he was there for a short visit only.

Are you old enough to remember Carter's Iran? A pilot mistake caused a ground collission between two aircraft on a desert strip in Iran. Killing several and aborting the mission. It was really the end of Carter's presidency, and it was pilot error.

This operation could have been very similar. I don't buy mechanical failure. A pilot made a mistake that resulted in a hard landing in the compound. It could have killed all on board and we could have had a Carter all over again.

Do you think Obama didn't know that, let alone the possibility of no UBL in the compound?

I don't mind if the CinC spends 16 hours thinking before he sends Other Peoples Kids off to face some serious shit.

152 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:36:19pm

re: #149 Naso Tang

also, the weather was lethal that night....severe wind and dust
still you are correct

153 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:36:38pm

re: #149 Naso Tang

16 hours after 10 years of intelligence gathering. As I understand it there was no reason to think he was there for a short visit only.

Are you old enough to remember Carter's Iran? A pilot mistake caused a ground collission between two aircraft on a desert strip in Iran. Killing several and aborting the mission. It was really the end of Carter's presidency, and it was pilot error.

This operation could have been very similar. I don't buy mechanical failure. A pilot made a mistake that resulted in a hard landing in the compound. It could have killed all on board and we could have had a Carter all over again.

Do you think Obama didn't know that, let alone the possibility of no UBL in the compound?

someone brought up an interesting point today, where was he getting his dialysis? the Pakies had to know...

154 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:37:57pm

re: #153 brookly red

someone brought up an interesting point today, where was he getting his dialysis? the Pakies had to know...

down the street....this is not outer Des Moines

155 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:38:05pm

re: #151 Decatur Deb

I don't mind if the CinC spends 16 hours thinking before he sends Other Peoples Kids off to face some serious shit.

That's what I was thinking too, when I saw this.
Sixteen hours?
Yes, take 16 hours if it's needed. I prefer someone thinking through something like this. Seems like any reasonable person would.

156 Four More Tears  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:38:36pm

re: #151 Decatur Deb

I don't mind if the CinC spends 16 hours thinking before he sends Other Peoples Kids off to face some serious shit.

I dunno. I picture the guys who did the deed as the type who would walk over hot coals for the pleasure of taking on this mission. Maybe I just watched too much GI Joe and Chuck Norris movies as a kid...

But still, I totally agree with your point. This was a very risky op for many reasons.

157 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:38:37pm

re: #148 albusteve

went out and had it cut...been awhile
lost over 30 pounds the past six months and I thought I'd just go all the way...I'm rapidly putting this nightmare behind me

Nice!

158 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:39:23pm

re: #155 reine.de.tout

That's what I was thinking too, when I saw this.
Sixteen hours?
Yes, take 16 hours if it's needed. I prefer someone thinking through something like this. Seems like any reasonable person would.

yup as much as I don't want to defend him, it was the right thing to do...

159 Sionainn  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:39:37pm

re: #110 avanti

Need help finding a link debunking a e-mail I received about Obama talking 16 hours to make up his mind about the SEAL mission. The story starts with the normal, BS Daily Mail, and they reference the NYT, but provide no link.

"The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan.

But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think - and disappeared out of the room.

'I'm not going to tell you what my decision is now - I'm going to go back and think about it some more,' said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added 'I'm going to make a decision soon."
I can't find anything from the NYT saying that and the story is making the rounds already. Of course a 16 hour delay to ponder the mission would be no major scandal anyway.

Daily Mail..

I read this story earlier today (not in the Daily Mail), but can't find it now. Anyway, it didn't seem unreasonable to me for Obama to ponder and weigh all the options before sending our men into another country where we weren't supposed to be and where their lives were at great risk. I'm glad that we have a president who thinks things through and doesn't decide things with no thought.

160 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:41:19pm

re: #155 reine.de.tout

That's what I was thinking too, when I saw this.
Sixteen hours?
Yes, take 16 hours if it's needed. I prefer someone thinking through something like this. Seems like any reasonable person would.

it's a very long time in a evolving situation if it was evolving....if it was a simple GO or not, he should have had the loose ends down pat...his staff makes sure of that....I say an hour or so, not sixteen

161 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:42:09pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Nice!

yup....thanks
been a long road

162 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:42:15pm

re: #154 albusteve

down the street...this is not outer Des Moines

and what exactly was down the street? the Pakistani military college... this don't look too good for them.

163 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:42:26pm

So... we can now call these people terrorist again?

164 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:43:59pm

re: #160 albusteve

it's a very long time in a evolving situation if it was evolving...if it was a simple GO or not, he should have had the loose ends down pat...his staff makes sure of that...I say an hour or so, not sixteen

well with the time difference 12 hours is not un-reasonable... didn't want to go in at lunch time.

165 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:44:02pm

re: #162 brookly red

and what exactly was down the street? the Pakistani military college... this don't look too good for them.

I'm just passing along from another thread...the location is highly civilized, beyond that I don't know but there are two options....go there or bring it back

166 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:44:19pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

So... we can now call these people terrorist again?

I never stopped...

167 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:45:18pm

re: #155 reine.de.tout

That's what I was thinking too, when I saw this.
Sixteen hours?
Yes, take 16 hours if it's needed. I prefer someone thinking through something like this. Seems like any reasonable person would.

These armchair folks are just not thinking! (we know this though!!)

168 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:45:35pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

So... we can now call these people terrorist again?

Many are ex-terrorists, pining for the wadis.

169 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:46:43pm

re: #164 brookly red

well with the time difference 12 hours is not un-reasonable... didn't want to go in at lunch time.

he needs to think in local time, like everyone else involved....but he's a rookie and he did fine...think about if the gig fell off the wire, in 16 hours the target could be anywhere in the world...when all the pieces are in place, you must make a choice, not 16 hours later

170 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:46:58pm

re: #168 Decatur Deb

Many are ex-terrorists, pining for the wadis.

ex-terrorists? what did they get laid off or something?

171 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:47:51pm

re: #170 brookly red

ex-terrorists? what did they get laid off or something?

Laid out.

172 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:48:46pm

According to CNN's breaking news banner:

CIA Director Leon Panetta says he thinks a photograph of Osama bin Laden's body will be released at some point.
173 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:49:02pm

re: #169 albusteve

he needs to think in local time, like everyone else involved...but he's a rookie and he did fine...think about if the gig fell off the wire, in 16 hours the target could be anywhere in the world...when all the pieces are in place, you must make a choice, not 16 hours later

normally I would say yes... but in this case being sheltered by the government he had no reason to flee.

174 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:50:22pm

re: #172 commadore183

According to CNN's breaking news banner:

Waste of electrons--the rational folks don't need it, the irrational won't believe it.

175 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:51:17pm

it took 10 years and millions of dollars and maybe even innocent lives to run down Bin Laden....a monumental effort and it will go down in history as the King of all operations....they will be studying this gig around the world for decades when the truth comes out....all of that at risk, and BO had no choice but to do it....had he stalled and blown his chance it would have been the greatest ops blunder in history...he made the call, but who would not?

176 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:51:18pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Wait, what was posted here earlier then?

177 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:51:49pm

It's nice to see they haven't changed since they danced in the streets on 9-11
(Video) Al-Aqsa Mosque imam vows to avenge killing of Osama bin Laden in Youtube video. 'Dogs should not rejoice too much for killing lions'

178 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:52:00pm

re: #176 ProLifeLiberal

Wait, what was posted here earlier then?

Dunno--been doing yard work all day.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:52:28pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

Suck it, Imam!

180 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:52:46pm

and just incidental... the Pakies & India have to be looking at just how easy it was to penetrate their air space...

181 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:53:11pm

re: #173 brookly red

normally I would say yes... but in this case being sheltered by the government he had no reason to flee.

obviously he didn't see it coming...is that what you are saying? otherwise do you really think he had no backup plan?....we are good, and we are even luckier

182 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:53:24pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

It's nice to see they haven't changed since they danced in the streets on 9-11
(Video) Al-Aqsa Mosque imam vows to avenge killing of Osama bin Laden in Youtube video. 'Dogs should not rejoice too much for killing lions'

Guess they'll stop acting with restraint, now.

183 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:53:37pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Waste of electrons--the rational folks don't need it, the irrational won't believe it.

I want it. We saw the video's and still photographs of the Twin Towers, the people jumping from the buildings, mid air waving of hands and legs, and if you were really unlucky, you may have stumbled on images of mangled bodies in the rubble. I want to see the other bookend to this 10 years horror story... the end cap (or double cap) so to speak, of the 9-11 saga.

What's would be the problem with releasing some photos?

184 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:54:23pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

It's nice to see they haven't changed since they danced in the streets on 9-11
(Video) Al-Aqsa Mosque imam vows to avenge killing of Osama bin Laden in Youtube video. 'Dogs should not rejoice too much for killing lions'

tough guys
spit

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:54:40pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

I have a friend in Israel right now. Holy Land trip, he's a minister.

His wife is still back here.

She is out of her mind with worry.

186 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:54:40pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

I want it. We saw the video's and still photographs of the Twin Towers, the people jumping from the buildings, mid air waving of hands and legs, and if you were really unlucky, you may have stumbled on images of mangled bodies in the rubble. I want to see the other bookend to this 10 years horror story... the end cap (or double cap) so to speak, of the 9-11 saga.

What's would be the problem with releasing some photos?

No problem, but I don't expect much gain, either.

187 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:55:03pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Idiot nutball, that man is. In any case, the comments on that site are toxic.

188 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:55:06pm

re: #175 albusteve

it took 10 years and millions of dollars and maybe even innocent lives to run down Bin Laden...a monumental effort and it will go down in history as the King of all operations...they will be studying this gig around the world for decades when the truth comes out...all of that at risk, and BO had no choice but to do it...had he stalled and blown his chance it would have been the greatest ops blunder in history...he made the call, but who would not?

I think there was a lot of risk. If we ran afoul of the Pakistani military it could have been bad. If the Pakistanis thought it was an incursion from India it could have been a nuclear war. Was the operation too big or maybe too small. If we botched it there wouldn't be a second chance. He made the right choice.

189 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:55:33pm

re: #181 albusteve

obviously he didn't see it coming...is that what you are saying? otherwise do you really think he had no backup plan?...we are good, and we are even luckier

obviously he didn't see it coming... why should he have? he was there 6 years just as pretty as you please.

190 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:55:40pm

re: #176 ProLifeLiberal

Wait, what was posted here earlier then?

You mean the one Charles posted from a Twitter user? It could be the real deal. I did read that some of those in Congress that were notified of the operation were shown a picture of OBL's body, so it does seem plausible that someone snapped a pic with his/her phone, thus the low quality of the image. Plausible, but unlikely, I think.

191 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:55:57pm

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a friend in Israel right now. Holy Land trip, he's a minister.

His wife is still back here.

She is out of her mind with worry.

probably safer there than here...chances are good these days you can get run over by a tornado any time

192 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:56:38pm

Ryan Mauro is following me on twitter. wtf?

193 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:57:28pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

Ryan Mauro is following me on twitter. wtf?

you drive men crazy, what can I say...

194 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:57:37pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

No problem, but I don't expect much gain, either.

Gain? To remind us that we human, visceral creatures, who do care about our fellow Americans, that we are capable of hating evil, that we "can't all just get along," no matter how idealistic that sounds... so we spend a few minutes off of our high horses and touch our gut for a moment, let it stir, a little righteousness, and then we can go back to caring about making this world better.

A little fantasy busting never hurts.

195 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:57:47pm

re: #193 brookly red

you drive men crazy, what can I say...

Obviously right wing men.

196 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:58:29pm

re: #190 commadore183

Yeah, that's it. That's what I'm talking about

re: #192 Stanley Sea

Got a similar story here. Who is motivatquotes?

197 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:58:52pm

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

A handful of Palestinians, holding pictures depicting Osama bin Laden, protest in Gaza City against the killing of the al Qaeda leader May 3, 2011. The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, which governs Gaza, on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of bin Laden and mourned him as an "Arab holy warrior".
198 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:58:58pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

Obviously right wing men.

so whatcha gonna do about that?

199 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:59:16pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

I think there was a lot of risk. If we ran afoul of the Pakistani military it could have been bad. If the Pakistanis thought it was an incursion from India it could have been a nuclear war. Was the operation too big or maybe too small. If we botched it there wouldn't be a second chance. He made the right choice.

the CIA has backup plans for that sort of thing...and probably air support as well....if it went bad or slipped out of control, the Pakis would know and back off...the US is extremely protective of our Seal teams...but overall, there was huge risk involved, I agree...if 24 Seals get iced....it's just unthinkable IMO

200 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:59:33pm

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Gain? To remind us that we human, visceral creatures, who do care about our fellow Americans, that we are capable of hating evil, that we "can't all just get along," no matter how idealistic that sounds... so we spend a few minutes off of our high horses and touch our gut for a moment, let it stir, a little righteousness, and then we can go back to caring about making this world better.

A little fantasy busting never hurts.

We don't do our best work enraged. If throats must be slit, a calm, steady hand is better.

201 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:00:07pm

re: #198 brookly red

so whatcha gonna do about that?

Ponder my fate.

202 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:00:36pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Gaza Strip here that did that.

Chavez's government is condemning the assassination. What exactly is the limit in terms of what I can say?

203 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:01:45pm

re: #202 ProLifeLiberal

Gaza Strip here that did that.

Chavez's government is condemning the assassination. What exactly is the limit in terms of what I can say?

Sigh..another meme dies. I thought Hugo and the Prez were locker-room buddies.

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:01:54pm

re: #199 albusteve

the CIA has backup plans for that sort of thing...and probably air support as well...if it went bad or slipped out of control, the Pakis would know and back off...the US is extremely protective of our Seal teams...but overall, there was huge risk involved, I agree...if 24 Seals get iced...it's just unthinkable IMO

Carter never lived down the failed rescue of the Iranian hostages.

205 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:02:52pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Seriously, what is the limit to what I can say. I want to vent.

206 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:02:56pm

re: #202 ProLifeLiberal

Gaza Strip here that did that.

Chavez's government is condemning the assassination. What exactly is the limit in terms of what I can say?

his fat ass could be next... shit I might even vote D if that happened.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:03:10pm

re: #191 albusteve

Helluva point.

208 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:04:08pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

Seriously, what is the limit to what I can say. I want to vent.

It's on the front page. Mainly, try not to sound like an asshole.

209 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:04:34pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

Seriously, what is the limit to what I can say. I want to vent.

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210 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:05:34pm

picking off Bin Laden...an enormously complex problem to deal with and solve, and finally pull off....WAY beyond some toady BO hater to comprehend....I guarantee not one second of the entire thing was not through by dozen or scores of our best people while all the complex pieces were put in place....just consider the timing alone and it's effect on decisions...we did great, beyond our best expectations even with the loot we came back with...all the chatter otherwise is just noise to me

211 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:06:15pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

It's on the front page. Mainly, try not to sound like an asshole.

I'd say mainly don't call for anyone's death. And the "asshole" thing, too, as well. And phone numbers.

212 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:06:18pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

I'll just say this: That creature obviously sees no problem the deaths of thousands of people if they are in a country whose government he dislikes. He is a bastard. F***ing POS.

213 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:06:32pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

Seriously, what is the limit to what I can say. I want to vent.

try to avoid the word kill especially if followed by the word all...

214 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:06:47pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Carter never lived down the failed rescue of the Iranian hostages.

true but it's not Carter world anymore...we are supremely better at that stuff now

215 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:08:21pm

re: #212 ProLifeLiberal

I'll just say this: That creature obviously sees no problem the deaths of thousands of people if they are in a country whose government he dislikes. He is a bastard. F***ing POS.

Chavez, right?

216 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:08:55pm

re: #206 brookly red

He is not as popular in Venezuela anymore. His party got less than 50% of the vote at the last election. The only reason he has many seats is Gerrymandering that make California look reasonable.

217 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:09:20pm

re: #214 albusteve

true but it's not Carter world anymore...we are supremely better at that stuff now

Now that I think about it the Binladen raid had a chopper failure too. Kinda eerie to think it could have ended the same way.

218 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:09:28pm

re: #215 wrenchwench

Yeah. I despise Authoritarians. He is one, and with a cult of personality to boot.

219 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:10:47pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Now that I think about it the Binladen raid had a chopper failure too. Kinda eerie to think it could have ended the same way.

Army definition of 'helicopter':

"A collection of spare parts flying in close formation".

220 Four More Tears  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:11:34pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

It's nice to see they haven't changed since they danced in the streets on 9-11
(Video) Al-Aqsa Mosque imam vows to avenge killing of Osama bin Laden in Youtube video. 'Dogs should not rejoice too much for killing lions'

If I may have the floor to convey my response...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

221 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:11:49pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Now that I think about it the Binladen raid had a chopper failure too. Kinda eerie to think it could have ended the same way.

Choppers have a bad failure rate, that is why they had backups in place...

222 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:12:30pm

re: #220 JasonA

If I may have the floor to convey my response...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lions? That's why he was hiding like a pussy and having others do his work. If Osama was so dedicated to his cause, he'd been the pilot on the first plane in to the WTC.

223 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:12:50pm

re: #216 ProLifeLiberal

And the voting system is very broken. From Wiki:

After the election, the Spanish newspaper El País suggested that the PSUV and the MUD would have finished with 80 seats each had the elections been run under the previous system. The Director of the National Electoral Council (CNE) said that districts were drawn according to a standard national formula, and pointed out that the disproportionality involved in Venezuela's state-based mixed member majoritarian system didn't uniquely favour one party: in four states (Zulia, Tachira, Anzoategui and Nueva Esparta) PSUV obtained over 40% of the vote, but won only 7 seats against the opposition's 27.

224 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:13:30pm

re: #220 JasonA

If I may have the floor to convey my response...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

don't laugh, these phuckers are serious... they hate big time and will probably target the weakest.

225 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:13:57pm

With the talk about the Navy SEALs and SEAL Team Six (now know as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group/DEVGRU) reminds me of a book I have called Warrior Soul: The Memoirs of a Navy SEAL by Chuck Pfarrer, a former member of the SEALs, including the elite Team Six. A very, very good read, he chronicles his training, some of his personal live and his deployments to Honduras, Lebanon, and other missions that he can write about. I highly recommend it for anyone who likes to read about the military.

226 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:14:21pm

re: #224 brookly red

don't laugh, these phuckers are serious... they hate big time and will probably target the weakest.

don't be the weakest...

227 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:14:35pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Now that I think about it the Binladen raid had a chopper failure too. Kinda eerie to think it could have ended the same way.

there were as many as needed over the horizon...one broke chopper would not kill this mission, unless it was catastrophic and people died before the thing even got going...you try to think of every detail but all involved know there is shit out there opposing you

228 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:15:18pm

re: #221 brookly red

Choppers have a bad failure rate, that is why they had backups in place...

One in four chopper don't fail every mission, not even remotely close.

229 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:16:15pm

re: #228 Naso Tang

One in four chopper don't fail every mission, not even remotely close.

no but shit happens and backup is a good thing.

230 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:18:12pm

I can tell you this much, it's going to make an amazing book and movie one day. Probably will be a longtime from now but man it's an amazing story. I said it already but I really thought the guy was already dead or we'd never find him. You gotta admire the persistence of those involved civilian and military alike to find him. I really hope that his death crushes Al Queda and the terrorists' morale.

231 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:18:21pm

well looky that, if anything else a reminder, we are at war.

232 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:18:39pm

re: #120 brookly red

why would you want to debunk it?... it sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Now I am not an Obama fan at all, but taking the time to make a responsible decision sounds like the right thing to do...

Because this is how it's being spun, with the NYT quote I found:

"7 Minutes Vs. 16 Hours: How The Media Reports Delay

George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting. He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter.

On the other hand, after Obama was told (most likely for the fifteenth time) that the CIA was really, really, really quite confident that Osama bin Ladin was at that compound in Abbottabad, he decided he needed to sleep on it.

Sixteen hours later (hours during which Osama might have fled-- bear in mind, his courier's name had just been outed by WikiLeaks), he made up his mind.

How does the media report this? Well, relying upon those in Obama's inner circle (that is to say, his political flunkies and spinners), we're told this:

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'." (NYT)
Why does it matter that he did this "before they could speak"? They had spoken already yesterday when they strongly, strongly urged the president to give the order, and he had decided to sleep on it.

They were only waiting on him, after all.

So, after 16 hours of vacillation, during which the operation might have been rendered a failure by intervening invents, he fist-bumps a piece of furniture and finally makes up his mind.

This is something to brag about? This is, in Howard Fineman's words, "almost Biblical"?

Seems like a very cautious, feckless, indecisive individual delaying and delaying on critical decisions and then attempting to sound heroic when he finally does what he's being paid to do."

233 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:19:26pm

re: #218 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah. I despise Authoritarians. He is one, and with a cult of personality to boot.

I have a new brother-in-law from Venezuela who is very happy to stay in the US now that he has married my American sister.

And check this comment that just showed up on another thread.

234 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:19:41pm

re: #229 brookly red

no but shit happens and backup is a good thing.

I don't deny that, but I've heard this argument about poor reliability and we would have more deaths from chopper failures than enemy fire if that was true.

235 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:20:23pm

re: #232 avanti

Because this is how it's being spun, with the NYT quote I found:

"7 Minutes Vs. 16 Hours: How The Media Reports Delay

George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting. He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter.

On the other hand, after Obama was told (most likely for the fifteenth time) that the CIA was really, really, really quite confident that Osama bin Ladin was at that compound in Abbottabad, he decided he needed to sleep on it.

Sixteen hours later (hours during which Osama might have fled-- bear in mind, his courier's name had just been outed by WikiLeaks), he made up his mind.

How does the media report this? Well, relying upon those in Obama's inner circle (that is to say, his political flunkies and spinners), we're told this:

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'." (NYT)
Why does it matter that he did this "before they could speak"? They had spoken already yesterday when they strongly, strongly urged the president to give the order, and he had decided to sleep on it.

They were only waiting on him, after all.

So, after 16 hours of vacillation, during which the operation might have been rendered a failure by intervening invents, he fist-bumps a piece of furniture and finally makes up his mind.

This is something to brag about? This is, in Howard Fineman's words, "almost Biblical"?

Seems like a very cautious, feckless, indecisive individual delaying and delaying on critical decisions and then attempting to sound heroic when he finally does what he's being paid to do."

well deal with it is all I can say...

236 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:20:50pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

Yes, and there might be people in Pakistan implicated too. One can always have hope...

237 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:21:28pm

re: #232 avanti

Because this is how it's being spun, with the NYT quote I found:

"7 Minutes Vs. 16 Hours: How The Media Reports Delay

George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting. He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter.

On the other hand, after Obama was told (most likely for the fifteenth time) that the CIA was really, really, really quite confident that Osama bin Ladin was at that compound in Abbottabad, he decided he needed to sleep on it.

Sixteen hours later (hours during which Osama might have fled-- bear in mind, his courier's name had just been outed by WikiLeaks), he made up his mind.

How does the media report this? Well, relying upon those in Obama's inner circle (that is to say, his political flunkies and spinners), we're told this:

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'." (NYT)
Why does it matter that he did this "before they could speak"? They had spoken already yesterday when they strongly, strongly urged the president to give the order, and he had decided to sleep on it.

They were only waiting on him, after all.

So, after 16 hours of vacillation, during which the operation might have been rendered a failure by intervening invents, he fist-bumps a piece of furniture and finally makes up his mind.

This is something to brag about? This is, in Howard Fineman's words, "almost Biblical"?

Seems like a very cautious, feckless, indecisive individual delaying and delaying on critical decisions and then attempting to sound heroic when he finally does what he's being paid to do."

Ya hadda' be there.

238 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:22:02pm

re: #234 Naso Tang

I don't deny that, but I've heard this argument about poor reliability and we would have more deaths from chopper failures than enemy fire if that was true.

look, everything is a crap shoot. some times shit happens it is good to have backup no?

239 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:22:19pm

re: #236 Naso Tang

Yes, and there might be people in Pakistan implicated too. One can always have hope...

I would be disappointed if nobody in Pakistan got in trouble over this.

240 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:23:02pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

yes...all this second guessing is for the bored or the stupid, usually both

241 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:23:14pm

re: #234 Naso Tang

I don't deny that, but I've heard this argument about poor reliability and we would have more deaths from chopper failures than enemy fire if that was true.

Lost use of the Rucker database years ago, but that was true then.

242 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:23:23pm

re: #229 brookly red

no but shit happens and backup is a good thing.

And, on reflection, I would add that the lifetime of any presidency would be a lot less than 4 years if mechanical reliability was the issue.

243 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:24:19pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

I would be disappointed if nobody in Pakistan got in trouble over this.

people are already dead over this...bet me

244 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:24:48pm

re: #232 avanti

Wow. That was the most heavily spun commentary I've seen in a while.

245 McSpiff  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:27:03pm

re: #243 albusteve

people are already dead over this...bet me

The other 5 SEAL teams in country took care of that I'm sure... (Military buffs: Yes, Yes I know why I'm wrong).

246 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:29:28pm

re: #243 albusteve

people are already dead over this...bet me

well yes but are they the right people?

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:30:27pm

re: #232 avanti

If it didn't work? Okay, tear him a new one.

It worked. STFU.

248 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:30:27pm

I'm pretty sure this dude is a legit twitterer.

davidbadash David Badash

Wow. Obama invited Bush to join him at Ground Zero Thursday. Bush declined. #p2 #GOP #DEM #tcot

249 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:30:34pm

re: #246 brookly red

well yes but are they the right people?

not our problem...but innocent lives are an afterthought, no?

250 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:31:20pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

I'm pretty sure this dude is a legit twitterer.

davidbadash David Badash

Wow. Obama invited Bush to join him at Ground Zero Thursday. Bush declined. #p2 #GOP #DEM #tcot

smart move

251 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:31:21pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

A "handful"?

252 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:33:00pm

re: #250 albusteve

smart move

Really? It would have been a huge huge huge visual.

What we need is a huge visual.

Too many people are hating right now.

253 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:34:01pm

re: #232 avanti

It's my understanding that the compound was under 24/7 surveillance for quite a bit of time prior to the raid; and likely would have remained under surveillance if they did NOT proceed with the raid. So if OBL had moved, someone would have known when, and probably would have followed him to the where.

The person who wrote that has not connected ALL the dots.

254 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:34:11pm

check out this monster
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

255 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:34:43pm

re: #249 albusteve

not our problem...but innocent lives are an afterthought, no?

not what I am saying... people are dying but for what reason? cause they supported OBL or cause they failed OBL?

256 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:34:49pm

re: #108 Charles

Well, yeah ... but the problem is that a hacker who gains root access (which the Sony PS hacker did) can disable any protection like that.

I don't want to belabor the point, but I am not an expert on this, like you :)

However, why can one not, for sensitive data servers, have an independent router, not accessible via the network, through which all traffic passes and from which all traffic patterns are analysed and allowed or not allowed?

My CC provider calls me 10 minutes after I use my card in some way that is outside my usual pattern, and they hold the payment until I confirm. I just don't understand how billion dollar corporations can't do that with their sensitive data.

257 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:35:28pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea

Really? It would have been a huge huge huge visual.

What we need is a huge visual.

Too many people are hating right now.

exactly why GW should avoid that thing....it's not his gig and he wants to lay low....he doesn't give a crap about visuals

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:35:44pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea

Bush has been an admirable Former President. Don't know why he wouldn't want to be there.

It is his choice, but, personally? I'd love to see him there.

259 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:35:48pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

The person who wrote that has not connected ALL the dots.

It looks to me that the person who wrote that is making a whole lot of assumptions and fictionalizing with great bias those many details that only a few. i.e. those in the room, could be privy to.

260 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:35:52pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea

Really? It would have been a huge huge huge visual.

What we need is a huge visual.

Too many people are hating right now.

It could go either way.
Bush Sr. and Bush Jr., it seems both have avoided getting in the way of the men who succeeded them in office. As it should be, IMO.

261 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:36:31pm

re: #254 albusteve

check out this monster
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hope they name the food court for Hoffa.

262 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:36:44pm

re: #257 albusteve

exactly why GW should avoid that thing...it's not his gig and he wants to lay low...he doesn't give a crap about visuals

You are kidding, right? Flight suits and aircraft carriers come to mind.

263 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:36:47pm

re: #257 albusteve

exactly why GW should avoid that thing...it's not his gig and he wants to lay low...he doesn't give a crap about visuals

Ah, but the American people need a solidarity visual.

I would cheer. Fucking cheer.

But no.

264 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:37:15pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

If that ends up being true, I want him tried for financing terrorism. Although we already know that he assisted the now nearly-deceased FARC.

265 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:37:54pm

re: #255 brookly red

not what I am saying... people are dying but for what reason? cause they supported OBL or cause they failed OBL?

we were referring to Paki security...nobody knows yet what went down with those guys, but I'm damned glad we didn't rely on those rubes for the bust...it was our thing and they have their own problems to figure out

266 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:38:06pm

re: #259 allegro

It looks to me that the person who wrote that is making a whole lot of assumptions and fictionalizing with great bias those many details that only a few. i.e. those in the room, could be privy to.

still . . .he's not even connecting all the known dots.

And good grief - most of us will never have all the details of this. They're still sorting out what happened, and how. With the sort of fast-moving events that must have been taking place on the ground among several people, it will take awhile for the full story to get put together.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:38:27pm

re: #260 reine.de.tout

I'll bet he could get Clinton to show up.

268 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:38:58pm

re: #251 reine.de.tout

Most pathetic protest ever. This shows problems for Hamas if they couldn't get more people out to protest.

At least we have a picture of potential terrorists now.

269 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:39:01pm

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Hope they name the food court for Hoffa.

it does look like the Meadowlands Cemetary

270 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:39:08pm

Have we had this conversation before? It's Pakistani. Cut the fucking Paki shit out.

This is what made this blog unvisitable to me in the past. Get beyond it. At least in your post.

271 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:39:32pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea

Really? It would have been a huge huge huge visual.

What we need is a huge visual.

Too many people are hating right now.

While I don't know Bush himself, I would imagine that he would want Obama to be in the spotlight as he was the one that got the job done and having Bush there would take some of the luster off from it. At least, that's how I would have handled it if I was in Bush's position.

Obama deserves all of the credit from this, IMO. He had them draw up multiple plans to kill OBL and he gave the go to pull it off.

272 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:39:43pm

re: #262 Naso Tang

You are kidding, right? Flight suits and aircraft carriers come to mind.

he was president then...BO can do it alone

273 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:03pm

re: #264 ProLifeLiberal

If that ends up being true, I want him tried for financing terrorism. Although we already know that he assisted the now nearly-deceased FARC.

Nearly deceased? Sadly, I'm afraid that's an optimistic assessment. (I have a brother and sister-in-law in Colombia.)

274 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:19pm

re: #271 commadore183

While I don't know Bush himself, I would imagine that he would want Obama to be in the spotlight as he was the one that got the job done and having Bush there would take some of the luster off from it. At least, that's how I would have handled it if I was in Bush's position.

Obama deserves all of the credit from this, IMO. He had them draw up multiple plans to kill OBL and he gave the go to pull it off.

Yeah, I got it. But damn what a unifying point. We are so fricken divided by party now.

275 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:26pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Have we had this conversation before? It's Pakistani. Cut the fucking Paki shit out.

This is what made this blog unvisitable to me in the past. Get beyond it. At least in your post.

not even for you....I'm not English and I'm not racist

276 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:40pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Have we had this conversation before? It's Pakistani. Cut the fucking Paki shit out.

This is what made this blog unvisitable to me in the past. Get beyond it. At least in your post.

Can we say Brit? Can we say Swede? Can we say Dane? I really don't know where Paki became an insult, or according to who. We haven't had a war with them yet.

277 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:42pm

re: #263 Stanley Sea

Ah, but the American people need a solidarity visual.

I would cheer. Fucking cheer.

But no.

Obama's speech needs to create the solidarity. That's who everybody is looking to. I wouldn't read more into this other than Bush doesn't want to take away from Obama's moment, or take attention away from the President in any way, shape or form. Bush had his turn. It's Obama's turn now.

278 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:42:00pm

re: #273 wrenchwench

I had heard that the Colombian had injured FARC badly in the last couple years, and has been heavily damaged. Is that not correct?

279 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:42:35pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bet he could get Clinton to show up.

Clinton's wife is Secty of State. Clinton is still "connected" to the administration.

280 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:42:51pm

re: #278 ProLifeLiberal

I had heard that the Colombian had injured FARC badly in the last couple years, and has been heavily damaged. Is that not correct?

Injured and heavily damaged, yes. But not nearly dead.

281 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:42:56pm

re: #256 Naso Tang

Well, I guess I'd reply that those kinds of strange traffic requests are better handled by competent sysadmins. There's no reason in theory why such a hardware protection system couldn't work, but with the Playstation network, they're already in the business of transferring very large amounts of data routinely -- the user database may have been relatively small in comparison to an update for Dead Space 2, for example.

Sony was apparently shockingly lax in their security. The user passwords were reportedly not even hashed. Stored in plain text. Yikes.

282 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:43:06pm

re: #276 Naso Tang

I swear people live in caves.

Not only is it pretty common knowledge, that fight has been had multiple times on this very site :p

283 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:43:28pm

re: #276 Naso Tang

Can we say Brit? Can we say Swede? Can we say Dane? I really don't know where Paki became an insult, or according to who. We haven't had a war with them yet.

Pakis live in Pstan, right?
good enough for me

284 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:43:48pm

Windy. It was a genuine question. Tell us why you don't like it.

285 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:44:10pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Have we had this conversation before? It's Pakistani. Cut the fucking Paki shit out.

This is what made this blog unvisitable to me in the past. Get beyond it. At least in your post.

I'd be really happy to also see "slack-jawed, drooling, inbred" banned as well.

286 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:44:35pm

Also, let's all have a LOL at the Qaddafi Gov't, who thinks that over amnesty to rebels will solve Qaddafi's problems:

1:41am
Khaled Kaim, the Libya deputy foreign minister, says that an amnesty that had been announced to any Libyan rebels who laid down their arms expired at midnight.

He has, however, called on the justice minister to extend it for "at least another day or two, because there are good signs among people there in Misurata".

On Gaddafi's physical condition after the government said he narrowly escaped a NATO air strike on Saturday, Kaim said: "He is very well". He added that Gaddafi had met on Tuesday with tribal leaders.

He's as delusional as Hitler was in his last months. He's is not in the position of power in this fight. The rebels just have to hold, and Qaddafi runs out of supplies.

287 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:45:34pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

I'd be really happy to also see "slack-jawed, drooling, inbred" banned as well.

and retard....people here ignore that slur then tell me what to call some guy in Asia

288 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:45:45pm

re: #284 Naso Tang

Windy. It was a genuine question. Tell us why you don't like it.

Read...

The abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, the term has been applied as a racial slur towards Arabs and other Middle Eastern-looking groups who may resemble South Asians. During the 60's many emigrants were also dubbed as "black" to further segregrate them from the white community. Some would say such a division still exists in parts of England.
In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.

[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

289 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:45:57pm

re: #276 Naso Tang

Can we say Brit? Can we say Swede? Can we say Dane? I really don't know where Paki became an insult, or according to who. We haven't had a war with them yet.

It became an insult in the way ethnic slurs always do, because fucking racists start using it as an insult.

And then normal, good people refrain from using it so that they don't offend people who've had it used against them by racists.

This is not goddamn hard. Just be polite. Jesus. Is it that much work to type out "Pakistani"?

290 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:46:07pm

re: #280 wrenchwench

Ah, crap. Maybe Chavez being out of Gov't and losing Venezuelan support will finally end FARC. Especially if he was found to be in cahoots with Al-Qaeda.

291 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:46:09pm

re: #287 albusteve

and retard...people here ignore that slur then tell me what to call some guy in Asia

Word.

292 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:46:15pm

Yes, "Paki" is an offensive racial slur: Paki - Wiktionary

The abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, the term has been applied as a racial slur towards Arabs and other Middle Eastern-looking groups who may resemble South Asians. During the 60's many emigrants were also dubbed as "black" to further segregrate them from the white community. Some would say such a division still exists in parts of England.

In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.

Maybe I should add it to the filter that replaces offensive words with "[bigoted word]".

293 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:46:23pm

re: #282 windsagio

I swear people live in caves.

Not only is it pretty common knowledge, that fight has been had multiple times on this very site :p

I know some people are touchy, but I don't know why. Abbreviations are not insults unless they have a history. The Chinese one has Korea, for example and there is one for Germans, but where does a Pakistani abbreviation become so?

Just 'cause you say so doesn't hack it.

294 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:46:26pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

I'd be really happy to also see "slack-jawed, drooling, inbred" banned as well.

And I hate the use of "trailer trash".

295 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:46:34pm

re: #284 Naso Tang

The term originated as a slur in the UK in reference to Pakistani immigrants. Over there, they really don't like it.

I don't like seeing it used because it would be like somebody in England using N---, not having the same cultural associations. That wouldn't be okay, and this isn't either.

296 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:47:28pm

re: #292 Charles

man, didn't know about the reclaiming hting. My american example was pretty dead on then >>

297 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:47:29pm

re: #293 Naso Tang

It's been an insult for goddamn decades.

298 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:48:05pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

And I hate the use of "trailer trash".

So do I... "slack-jawed, drooling, inbred" says it much better.

299 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:48:16pm

re: #289 Obdicut

It became an insult in the way ethnic slurs always do, because fucking racists start using it as an insult.

And then normal, good people refrain from using it so that they don't offend people who've had it used against them by racists.

This is not goddamn hard. Just be polite. Jesus. Is it that much work to type out "Pakistani"?

yeah it is if I say so...I'm not resposnsible for foreign bigotry, they are the people to criticize, not me

300 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:48:28pm

Not that I wanna be head of the beat up Naso brigade either >>

301 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:48:41pm

re: #299 albusteve

Why not just type Pakistani, Steve? What reason is there not to?

302 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:48:54pm

re: #292 Charles

Yes, "Paki" is an offensive racial slur: Paki - Wiktionary

Maybe I should add it to the filter that replaces offensive words with "[bigoted word]".

make the call...I'll comply

303 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:48:58pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Read...

[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

I see. Well, I'm not British so it doesn't apply to me, and if the Pakistanis (to defer to you) now want to make it their own N word that only they can use, I have even less respect for the taboo.

304 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:49:06pm

House Votes To Cut Funds For Key Part Of Health Law


The Republican-led House approved Tuesday another bill aimed at defunding parts of last year's huge health care overhaul, but the measure doesn't stand much of a chance in the Democratic-led Senate.

The bill would eliminate funding available to states to help them create and set up the health marketplaces known as exchanges, where individuals and small businesses will be able to purchase health insurance starting in 2 1/2 years. Under the health care law, the health and human services secretary can grant funds to the states without going through the annual congressional budget process.

The Congressional Budget Office says eliminating the funding would save money — since fewer people would get insurance from the exchanges. But it would also result in the federal government, rather than the states, running many of the exchanges itself.

305 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:49:40pm

re: #301 Obdicut

Contrariness. You new here? :p

306 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:49:40pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

And I hate the use of "trailer trash".

Yikes.
I know I've referred to Trailer Trash Barbie a time or two.
I'll cut it out.

307 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:49:42pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

So do I... "slack-jawed, drooling, inbred" says it much better.

I should call you "fatso" for that, but some people wouldn't get it.

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:50:12pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

What would people call me then?

309 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:50:18pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

You can still make fun of Texans.

310 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:50:46pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Yikes.
I know I've referred to Trailer Trash Barbie a time or two.
I'll cut it out.

"Omadaun" is deeply offensive. It's what my grandfather called me.

311 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:51:20pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Yikes.
I know I've referred to Trailer Trash Barbie a time or two.
I'll cut it out.

That's no trailer depicted on that box. That's a motor home!

312 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:51:43pm

re: #309 jaunte

You can still make fun of Texans.

we New Mexicans don't even bother...we humbled you twice
so far....

313 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:51:45pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Big Boned Son of a Single Mother who doesn't eat Meat?

314 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:52:01pm

re: #312 albusteve

You're older than I thought.

315 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:52:05pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What would people call me then?

" __blank__"
I can't write it out, I just can't do it.
Satt would if he were here.
But I can't.

316 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:52:39pm

re: #314 jaunte

You're older than I thought.

why I oughta....

317 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:52:43pm

re: #309 jaunte

You can still make fun of Texans.

We do.
Always.
LOLOL.
Particularly those Aggies.

318 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:53:01pm

re: #297 Obdicut

It's been an insult for goddamn decades.

I guess I live in a relatively insult free world. Still, I don't need to upset all the non Pakistanis for no good reason, so I'll watch my abbreviations in the future.

319 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:53:12pm

re: #316 albusteve

'You kids git offa my sand!'

320 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:53:16pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

We do.
Always.
LOLOL.
Particularly those Aggies.

Hey!

321 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:53:49pm

re: #319 jaunte

'You kids git offa my sand!'

it's a hysterical fact bro...deal with it

322 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:53:56pm

re: #320 allegro

Hey!

uh-oh.

Are you part of the moron tab-and-apple choir?

323 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:54:18pm

re: #303 Naso Tang

I see. Well, I'm not British so it doesn't apply to me, and if the Pakistanis (to defer to you) now want to make it their own N word that only they can use, I have even less respect for the taboo.

Is it okay for an Asian person to call a black person "Ni**er" given that they had nothing to do with American Slave culture?

324 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:54:19pm

re: #148 albusteve

went out and had it cut...been awhile
lost over 30 pounds the past six months and I thought I'd just go all the way...I'm rapidly putting this nightmare behind me

Good for you!

325 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:54:44pm

re: #322 reine.de.tout

uh-oh.

Are you part of the moron tab-and-apple choir?

Yup, I am a Maggie.

(Bet my Aggie jokes are better than yours :P)

326 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:54:46pm

re: #318 Naso Tang

I guess I live in a relatively insult free world. Still, I don't need to upset all the non Pakistanis for no good reason, so I'll watch my abbreviations in the future.

Thank you!

This is why LGF has the best commenters on the web.

327 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:55:00pm

I was thumped a while back for referring to the prez as BO....who are these people?

328 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:55:21pm

re: #302 albusteve

make the call...I'll comply

As will I.
Tho I don't recall I've ever used "Paki".

329 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:55:36pm

Later, scaly reptiles.

330 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:55:50pm

re: #324 Floral Giraffe

Good for you!

thanks FG...I'm getting there

331 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:56:06pm

re: #325 allegro

Yup, I am a Maggie.

(Bet my Aggie jokes are better than yours :P)

I'm sure they are.
You probably have an LSU Tiger joke or two, as well?

332 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:56:38pm

re: #277 reine.de.tout

Obama's speech needs to create the solidarity. That's who everybody is looking to. I wouldn't read more into this other than Bush doesn't want to take away from Obama's moment, or take attention away from the President in any way, shape or form. Bush had his turn. It's Obama's turn now.

Ah, it was a pipe dream visual. Kumbaya and all that shit.

333 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:56:46pm

re: #328 reine.de.tout

As will I.
Tho I don't recall I've ever used "Paki".

I take my marching orders from CJ

334 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:57:31pm

re: #331 reine.de.tout

I'm sure they are.
You probably have an LSU Tiger joke or two, as well?

Oh, you know I do! I can rip on UT like a pro as well. Gotta have something to show for 35 years in academia!

335 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:57:46pm

re: #330 albusteve

thanks FG...I'm getting there

Consider yourself encouraged by me!
GO STEVE!

336 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:57:49pm

re: #323 jamesfirecat

Is it okay for an Asian person to call a black person "Ni**er" given that they had nothing to do with American Slave culture?

No, I am aware of that and other insult slangs, but in my experience I had not considered the Pakistanis to be so persecuted in this manner and have felt it was just a PC manifestation without real history.

But as I said, I accept majority rule in this case, so let's move on.

337 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:57:58pm

re: #333 albusteve

I take my marching orders from CJ

I just try to be mindful that whatever I write will fall back not on me, but on Charles.

338 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:58:31pm

It will be hard giving up "Brit". It was my family's nicest word for the invaders.

339 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:59:13pm

re: #337 reine.de.tout

I just try to be mindful that whatever I write will fall back not on me, but on Charles.

I do too, and I've been humbled a couple of times....wanna see the scars?

340 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:59:19pm

re: #334 allegro

Oh, you know I do! I can rip on UT like a pro as well. Gotta have something to show for 35 years in academia!

Whoa!
I have only one Aggie joke that I can tell in polite company. But I dearly love it.
My nephew is at UT right now.

341 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:59:57pm

re: #340 reine.de.tout

Nephew is going to UT in the Fall.
Do, please tell the polite joke?

342 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:00:01pm

re: #340 reine.de.tout

Are there are other, less polite ones?

343 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:00:08pm

re: #339 albusteve

I do too, and I've been humbled a couple of times...wanna see the scars?

um, no, I don't care to see any scars, but - uh- gee - thank you all the same!

344 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:00:38pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

It will be hard giving up "Brit". It was my family's nicest word for the invaders.

I hear in the Napoleonic War the French called them Grasshoppers....

345 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:01:28pm

re: #344 jamesfirecat

I hear in the Napoleonic War the French called them Grasshoppers...

Too Shaolin.

346 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:01:39pm

re: #342 ProLifeLiberal

Are there are other, less polite ones?

yes.
re: #341 Floral Giraffe

Nephew is going to UT in the Fall.
Do, please tell the polite joke?


I've told it before, and I used the punchline a bit above:

You have 100 Aggies sitting in a circle, drinking Tab, eating apples and singing! What do you call that?

The moron tab and apple choir!!!!

You may have to say it out loud to get the full gist.
And I KNOW I've aged myself with the reference to the drink "Tab".

347 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:01:43pm

Amurka!
bunch of Mukans next door to me

348 Neutral President  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:02:25pm

re: #292 Charles

Maybe I should add it to the filter that replaces offensive words with "[bigoted word]".

I think we are doing an OK job self-policing on things like this. We shouldn't need anymore built-in automatic censoring.

349 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:02:33pm

re: #346 reine.de.tout

What's the fastest way to end an Aggie frat party?

Flush the punchbowl.

350 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:03:01pm

re: #295 windsagio

The term originated as a slur in the UK in reference to Pakistani immigrants. Over there, they really don't like it.

I don't like seeing it used because it would be like somebody in England using N---, not having the same cultural associations. That wouldn't be okay, and this isn't either.

OK, I'll call it out. There are 3 people here (that I recall) who use it. Their prediculations are quite clear.

That's says it for me.

351 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:06pm

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Cute!

352 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:09pm

re: #349 allegro

What's the fastest way to end an Aggie frat party?

Flush the punchbowl.

hahaha!

There were a few "how many Aggies does it take to screw in a lightbulb" jokes, but I can't recall them right now.

353 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:18pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

um, no, I don't care to see any scars, but - uh- gee - thank you all the same!

I've been blocked twice and a some time outs....everybody knows that
I had to work on it too...I may not listen to my elders, but I always listen to my betters...I was wrong

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:18pm

it was on LGF that I learned that Hottentot was a pejorative. Even though the Cowardly Lion uses it in "The Wizard of Oz".

355 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:24pm

I planted carrots and Kohlrabi today. Derct seeding has always been a nightmare for me because of the slugs but I have high hopes this year. There was quite a frog party by the pond late last night. I could hear about 4-5 of them going at it.

356 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:44pm

re: #353 albusteve

I've been blocked twice and a some time outs...everybody knows that
I had to work on it too...I may not listen to my elders, but I always listen to my betters...I was wrong

{{steve}}

I'm glad you're here.

357 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:48pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

hahaha!

There were a few "how many Aggies does it take to screw in a lightbulb" jokes, but I can't recall them right now.

just 2 if you can find a big enough bulb.

358 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:07:30pm

re: #350 Stanley Sea

OK, I'll call it out. There are 3 people here (that I recall) who use it. Their prediculations are quite clear.

That's says it for me.

I think you have premature prediculation

359 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:07:46pm

re: #356 reine.de.tout

{{steve}}

I'm glad you're here.

me too

360 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:08:17pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

it was on LGF that I learned that Hottentot was a pejorative. Even though the Cowardly Lion uses it in "The Wizard of Oz".

Intent and context. I believe it was an academic usage when applied to the small group who are Hottentots. In Africa and the Americas, white settlers often fell into the trap of asking a friendly tribe for the name of the competing native group over the next hill. Hence the tribe named 'Stinkards'.

361 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:08:41pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

I planted carrots and Kohlrabi today. Derct seeding has always been a nightmare for me because of the slugs but I have high hopes this year. There was quite a frog party by the pond late last night. I could hear about 4-5 of them going at it.

Bubba making his rounds

362 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:08:55pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

it was on LGF that I learned that Hottentot was a pejorative. Even though the Cowardly Lion uses it in "The Wizard of Oz".

It's amazing how many racial slurs you encounter that you never knew existed, when you run a blog like this one.

363 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:10:55pm

re: #292 Charles

Yes, "Paki" is an offensive racial slur: Paki - Wiktionary

Maybe I should add it to the filter that replaces offensive words with "[bigoted word]".

It is offensive to publicitystunted, iirc.

364 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:10:58pm

in NM, I'm a gringo...
that's fine, because....
I actually am!

365 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:11:00pm

re: #358 albusteve

I think you have premature prediculation

I think she meant predilection.
In this case, that means a "conservative" bent, I'm sure.

366 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:11:37pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

it was on LGF that I learned that Hottentot was a pejorative. Even though the Cowardly Lion uses it in "The Wizard of Oz".

Well, that's a new on one me. I just now learned it.

367 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:12:31pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

I think she meant predilection.
In this case, that means a "conservative" bent, I'm sure.

maybe..I really don't pay much attention when people take a swipe at me

368 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:12:45pm

re: #366 reine.de.tout

Well, that's a new on one me. I just now learned it.

It's in "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang", as well.

369 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:12:52pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

I planted carrots and Kohlrabi today. Derct seeding has always been a nightmare for me because of the slugs but I have high hopes this year. There was quite a frog party by the pond late last night. I could hear about 4-5 of them going at it.

You're the 21st century version of American Gothic.

Pretty cool.

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:13:40pm

re: #364 albusteve

Funny. Every time I've asked a Hispanic person about the origin of the word "Gringo" I've gotten a different answer.

Gotten so many interesting answers, I don't even care what the real answer is.

371 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:05pm

The far right is really trying hard to push the idea that "Obama's hand was forced:"

[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

Pamela Geller is a pretty reliable weathervane for right wing crazy ideas.

372 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:18pm

re: #369 researchok

You're the 21st century version of American Gothic.

Pretty cool.

Heh.

373 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:23pm

Since we're still on a roll with this I have to ask if I'm allowed to say "Talib"?

374 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:43pm

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny. Every time I've asked a Hispanic person about the origin of the word "Gringo" I've gotten a different answer.

Gotten so many interesting answers, I don't even care what the real answer is.

the white Latinos put it on themselves originally, I believe...words evolve

375 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:48pm

re: #373 Naso Tang

That's the singular form of 'student'.

376 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:15:31pm

re: #375 jaunte

That's the singular form of 'student'.

Studnut.

377 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:16:03pm

re: #373 Naso Tang

Since we're still on a roll with this I have to ask if I'm allowed to say "Talib"?

I type Talis...I'll get burned for that too someday

378 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:16:36pm

re: #375 jaunte

That's the singular form of 'student'.

Very good. You are fast.

379 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:16:58pm

re: #371 Charles

The far right is really trying hard to push the idea that "Obama's hand was forced:"

[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

Pamela Geller is a pretty reliable wind-vane for right wing crazy ideas.

More like a lightening rod.

380 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:17:06pm

re: #378 Naso Tang

I think I learned that here.

381 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:17:48pm

re: #363 prairiefire

It is offensive to publicitystunted, iirc.

if Paki is offensive why do so many restaurants offer Indie/Paki cuisine...

should I be offended by the local Tex/Mex place?

382 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:18:04pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Don't know if it's legal in Oregon, by "That's It"by Metro is a great slug & snail poison. Doesn't mold or mildew, water resistant, not labeled as hazardous for fruits or veggies.

383 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:18:24pm

re: #373 Naso Tang

Since we're still on a roll with this I have to ask if I'm allowed to say "Talib"?

Quite seriously, you would have to ask a Talib, and say it nicely. The 'Hottentot' discussion really shows how any term can be deliberately used to offend, or be offensive to those who are determined to be offended.

384 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:18:58pm

the burden of my sins will crush me....
bring it on

385 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:19:03pm

re: #379 researchok

She still hasn't fixed that 'bubble' typo.

386 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:19:14pm

re: #381 brookly red

if Paki is offensive why do so many restaurants offer Indie/Paki cuisine...

should I be offended by the local Tex/Mex place?

The local Tex Mex place doesn't get a dozen angry emails when they use a racial slur against Pakistanis.

387 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:20:45pm

re: #381 brookly red

if Paki is offensive why do so many restaurants offer Indie/Paki cuisine...

should I be offended by the local Tex/Mex place?

Because they are allowed to say it, presumably, but you are not. (We assume we know what you look like based on your writings).

388 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:21:03pm

re: #386 Charles

The local Tex Mex place doesn't get a dozen angry emails when they use a racial slur against Pakistanis.

I'll work on it, but I may slip...
my lingo should not be your problem

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:21:06pm

re: #386 Charles

The local Tex Mex place doesn't get a dozen angry emails when they use a racial slur against Pakistanis.

+1

390 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:21:22pm

re: #384 albusteve

the burden of my sins will crush me...
bring it on

Mine is just sorta making it hard to fart properly :(

391 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:15pm

re: #390 WindUpBird

Mine is just sorta making it hard to fart properly :(

which will lead to death....beware my gassy friend

392 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:20pm

re: #390 WindUpBird

Mine is just sorta making it hard to fart properly :(

Try leaning to the side.

393 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:30pm

re: #386 Charles

The local Tex Mex place doesn't get a dozen angry emails when they use a racial slur against Pakistanis.

I don't want to get all silly with you but in these parts (NYC) Paki is just a term...

394 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:23:50pm

Brit? can I say Brit when speaking of someone from England?

395 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:23:58pm

re: #382 Floral Giraffe

Don't know if it's legal in Oregon, by "That's It"by Metro is a great slug & snail poison. Doesn't mold or mildew, water resistant, not labeled as hazardous for fruits or veggies.

The only snail poison I recognize is CORRY'S SLUG AND SNAIL DEATH

it's not repellent, it's not spray, it's not even poison

IT'S DEATH


The box looks like a cross between a box of detergent and the movie one-sheet for the classic ant-monster horror flick THEM

396 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:24:12pm

re: #393 brookly red

I don't want to get all silly with you but in these parts (NYC) Paki is just a term...

Isn't that nice for you.

397 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:24:19pm

re: #382 Floral Giraffe

Don't know if it's legal in Oregon, by "That's It"by Metro is a great slug & snail poison. Doesn't mold or mildew, water resistant, not labeled as hazardous for fruits or veggies.

I used sluggo for years with limited success. The frogs are doing the work for free. It's rare for me to find a slug this spring even when I'm digging around. It's pretty amazing.

398 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:24:24pm

re: #381 brookly red

if Paki is offensive why do so many restaurants offer Indie/Paki cuisine...

should I be offended by the local Tex/Mex place?

Around here, the term Paki is not used.

Indo/Pak is the preferred term for restaurants offering that cuisine.

I believe the term Paki fell out of use when 'Paki Bashing' by the EDL types came into vogue in the 80' and 90's

399 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:24:33pm

Dire Wolf

Youtube Video
400 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:25:15pm

re: #398 researchok

In the UK, London in particular.

401 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:26:11pm

re: #395 WindUpBird

But it molds in the nastiest possible way...

402 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:26:34pm

re: #393 brookly red

I don't want to get all silly with you but in these parts (NYC) Paki is just a term...

And down here in Maryland "Chink" is just what you call the weak point in someone's armor.

403 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:26:34pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Yeah! Go frogs!

404 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:26:37pm

re: #393 brookly red

I don't want to get all silly with you but in these parts (NYC) Paki is just a term...

Maybe New York in general is full of douches, but here on the west coast, that's like calling a chinese american a C***k.


When I was on the east coast (Philly and Pittsburg, for conventions, stayed a week every time I went) there was more than one white guy in local bars who casually used the N****R word. I couldn't believe my ears

And seriously, i would not move to the east coast for any reason, it is not a place that would ever agree with my temperament, I just stay in the hotel now when I go

405 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:26:58pm

re: #398 researchok

Around here, the term Paki is not used.

Indo/Pak is the preferred term for restaurants offering that cuisine.

I believe the term Paki fell out of use when 'Paki Bashing' by the EDL types came into vogue in the 80' and 90's

well ain't that something....I'm innocent of slurring anybody, unless you insist for yourself that I have

406 [deleted]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:27:02pm
407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:27:16pm

re: #401 Floral Giraffe

But it molds in the nastiest possible way...

I just love the box :D

I've never actually needed a pesticide besides raid, and I think i've had the same can of raid for two years

408 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:27:42pm

re: #405 albusteve

well ain't that something...I'm innocent of slurring anybody, unless you insist for yourself that I have

What the hell are you talking about?

409 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:27:51pm

Another right of spring, the culling of the backyard. We just have a small strip behind our apartment that we usually let over grow in the winter. Just clear cut the big stuff with a weedeater and hit some other patches with weed killer. Kid's freaked out because they found a whole nest of slugs under the hose.

410 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:28:06pm

re: #402 jamesfirecat

And down here in Maryland "Chink" is just what you call the weak point in someone's armor.

it's also the mud you stuff between logs outside the cabin

411 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:28:08pm

OK so the local fusion restaurant that has a big sign out front saying Chino-Latino is to be condemned?

412 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:28:26pm

man I totally stepped into a skirmish, didn't I, yeegh

413 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:28:30pm

re: #408 researchok

What the hell are you talking about?

racism

414 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:28:52pm

re: #411 brookly red


dude, you are not winning points :/

415 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30:31pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

it was on LGF that I learned that Hottentot was a pejorative. Even though the Cowardly Lion uses it in "The Wizard of Oz".

really? The only time I've ever read that is in an ancient Bloom County strip, and it was used by a character who was really old IIRC

416 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30:33pm

re: #413 albusteve

racism

When did I call you or anyone else here a racist?

I made a reference to how and why the term 'Paki' fell out of use in London and the UK

417 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30:49pm

re: #409 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another right of spring, the culling of the backyard. We just have a small strip behind our apartment that we usually let over grow in the winter. Just clear cut the big stuff with a weedeater and hit some other patches with weed killer. Kid's freaked out because they found a whole nest of slugs under the hose.

i've been setting beer traps around the pepper plants, but not getting results as good as last year. Perhaps I've killed off all but the teetotalers.

418 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:30:49pm

re: #412 WindUpBird

Man I had no idea it would still be going.

This is totally 'why can black people say N--- but not me?' territory, innit?

419 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:31:12pm

A friendly warning: if you try to tell me I should tolerate the use of the term "Paki" to refer to Pakistanis, you're treading on thin ice.

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:31:32pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

It will be hard giving up "Brit". It was my family's nicest word for the invaders.

And what of Oasis? :D [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

421 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:31:35pm

re: #416 researchok

When did I call you or anyone else here a racist?

I made a reference to how and why the term 'Paki' fell out of use in London and the UK

when you said 'here' I assumed you were referring to LGF....that's my location at present

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:32:07pm

re: #418 windsagio

Man I had no idea it would still be going.

This is totally 'why can black people say N--- but not me?' territory, innit?

OH TOTALLY

I'm gonna go back and draw more ponies :D

423 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:32:08pm

re: #414 WindUpBird

dude, you are not winning points :/

fine by me I mean wtf? if a local eatery calls it self WackyPaki that makes me a racist? You all need to chill in an NYC kinda way.

424 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:32:44pm

re: #421 albusteve

when you said 'here' I assumed you were referring to LGF...that's my location at present

No, I was referring to 'around here', where I live now- Raleigh.

425 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:32:51pm

re: #423 brookly red

fine by me I mean wtf? if a local eatery calls it self WackyPaki that makes me a racist? You all need to chill in an NYC kinda way.

LGF is not NYC

426 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:33:06pm

re: #415 WindUpBird

really? The only time I've ever read that is in an ancient Bloom County strip, and it was used by a character who was really old IIRC

It was in common use for a specific language sub-group in 60s anthropology texts. I've just looked, and about half the google hits show it as 'now pejorative' while others, like the Catholic Encyclopedia, use it without concern.

427 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:33:50pm

re: #423 brookly red

fine by me I mean wtf? if a local eatery calls it self WackyPaki that makes me a racist? You all need to chill in an NYC kinda way.

hahaha yeah I'll pass on that, pal

I grew up in the NW, where people are calm

428 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:34:10pm

re: #424 researchok

No, I was referring to 'around here', where I live now- Raleigh.

I deduced that now...my bad
people have ragged on my racism before with regard to tightening the border

429 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:34:13pm

re: #422 WindUpBird

OH TOTALLY

I'm gonna go back and draw more ponies :D

Ponies are bad ass...

430 What, me worry?  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:34:19pm

re: #423 brookly red

fine by me I mean wtf? if a local eatery calls it self WackyPaki that makes me a racist? You all need to chill in an NYC kinda way.

To me, if I say something that insults someone, I stop saying it. Certainly, there's terminology used in some parts of the world that are or are not insulting in others. So yea, it's geographical, but if someone doesn't like it, I stop it and make a note of it. What's wrong with that?

When in Rome, ya'll.

431 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:34:46pm

re: #425 albusteve

LGF is not NYC

I see that for sure...

432 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:35:16pm

re: #428 albusteve

I deduced that now...my bad
people have ragged on my racism before with regard to tightening the border

No worries.

433 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:35:23pm

re: #431 brookly red

I see that for sure...

then all's well
BARTENDER!

434 What, me worry?  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:38:05pm

I learned about the derogatory term for Pakistanis by reading the comment section of the Daily Mail, btw. I had no idea.

435 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:39:03pm

re: #417 Decatur Deb

i've been setting beer traps around the pepper plants, but not getting results as good as last year. Perhaps I've killed off all but the teetotalers.

We don't have anything planted, but wanted to get rid of the slugs. We opted for the gross science in action approach instead of laying down more poison.

436 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:39:05pm

OK I will not use the term Paki to refer to Pakistanis on this site. I will however use the term UT (up-tight) when applicable.

437 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:40:23pm

re: #434 marjoriemoon

I learned about the derogatory term for Pakistanis by reading the comment section of the Daily Mail, btw. I had no idea.

I knew nothing about it until the last dustup, a few months ago

438 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:41:11pm

I'd like to take this time to point out that I hate GNOME 3, and pretty much the GNOME Project itself at this point. I can't think of any other project that continually makes its product less and less configurable with each subsequent release, and then with a straight face claims that it's a "usability improvement".

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

439 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:41:57pm

re: #438 negativ

I'd like to take this time to point out that I hate GNOME 3, and pretty much the GNOME Project itself at this point. I can't think of any other project that continually makes its product less and less configurable with each subsequent release, and then with a straight face claims that it's a "usability improvement".

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Nothing is worse than a gnome who keeps telling your girlfriend how nice her hair smells.

440 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:07pm

re: #423 brookly red

if a local eatery calls it self WackyPaki that makes me a racist>

This restaurant is hypothetical right, it doesn't really exist?

441 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:13pm

re: #438 negativ

I'd like to take this time to point out that I hate GNOME 3, and pretty much the GNOME Project itself at this point. I can't think of any other project that continually makes its product less and less configurable with each subsequent release, and then with a straight face claims that it's a "usability improvement".

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

They did it on purpose.

They had you in mind all along.
//

442 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:54pm
Youtube Video
443 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:45:51pm

re: #398 researchok


I believe the term Paki fell out of use when 'Paki Bashing' by the EDL types came into vogue in the 80' and 90's

Ah, 80's and 90's. My formative years were much earlier.

444 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:46:15pm

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

This restaurant is hypothetical right, it doesn't really exist?

no dude that is what I am saying... it is an accepted term here. In fact it is a term of pride, what can I say? New York is kinda ahead of the curve.

445 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:46:16pm

re: #420 WindUpBird

And what of Oasis? :D [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Funny to find a rock group called "Supergrass" in your article. That is an insult that could get you killed in Belfast.

446 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:46:52pm

did anyone hear the Dead show a few nights back?....cool, eh?
probably hate this then

Youtube Video
447 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:48:28pm

re: #381 brookly red

if Paki is offensive why do so many restaurants offer Indie/Paki cuisine...

should I be offended by the local Tex/Mex place?

I'm offended by Tex/Mex.

Have you ever eaten at one of those places? It's an insult to humanity. ;)

448 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:49:08pm

re: #442 negativ

[Video]

re: #443 Naso Tang

Ah, 80's and 90's. My formative years were much earlier.

Perhaps, but I suspect beating up visible minorities, wearing jackboots and shaving your head wasn't a part of formative years either.

Call me psychic.

449 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:49:59pm

re: #447 prononymous

I'm offended by Tex/Mex.

Have you ever eaten at one of those places? It's an insult to humanity. ;)

That's one of those where they have hot chili eating contests every Friday night, just before the wet T shirt contest, right?

450 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:52:00pm

re: #448 researchok

re: #443 Naso Tang

Perhaps, but I suspect beating up visible minorities, wearing jackboots and shaving your head wasn't a part of formative years either.

Call me psychic.

No, the minorities had all the good shit.

451 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:52:14pm

For Pete's sake... Swed is acceptable for Swedish.
Dane is acceptable for Danish.
Finn, uh huh, From Finland

do I even need to get a lawyer?

452 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:52:56pm

re: #451 brookly red

For Pete's sake... Swed is acceptable for Swedish.
Dane is acceptable for Danish.
Finn, uh huh, From Finland

do I even need to get a lawyer?

Are you sadistic. The horse is dead.

453 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:21pm

re: #451 brookly red

For Pete's sake... Swed is acceptable for Swedish.
Dane is acceptable for Danish.
Finn, uh huh, From Finland

do I even need to get a lawyer?

Those aren't diminutives.

454 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:22pm

re: #451 brookly red

For Pete's sake... Swed is acceptable for Swedish.
Dane is acceptable for Danish.
Finn, uh huh, From Finland

do I even need to get a lawyer?

me thinks you won't have time at this rate amigo

455 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:54:06pm

re: #454 albusteve

me thinks you won't have time at this rate amigo

no shit...

456 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:55:17pm

The only national/regional type diminutives I can think of that is acceptable is the term 'Canucks' or 'Yankees'.

457 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:55:32pm

re: #452 Naso Tang

Are you sadistic. The horse is dead.

no masochistic ... I keep banging my head into a 1980's wall.

458 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:55:39pm

re: #449 Naso Tang

That's one of those where they have hot chili eating contests every Friday night, just before the wet T shirt contest, right?

And where the "food" is a combination of the worst parts of mexican and american cuisine.

459 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:55:48pm

re: #447 prononymous

I'm offended by Tex/Mex.

Have you ever eaten at one of those places? It's an insult to humanity. ;)

I love it. A great excuse to eat cheese and sour cream on top of fried things.

460 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:56:16pm

re: #451 brookly red

For Pete's sake... Swed is acceptable for Swedish.
Dane is acceptable for Danish.
Finn, uh huh, From Finland

do I even need to get a lawyer?

My pops will answer to "dumb Swede."

461 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:56:30pm

re: #456 researchok

The only national/regional type diminutives I can think of that is acceptable is the term 'Canucks' or 'Yankees'.

You never heard my mother-in-law pronounce "Yankee".

462 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:57:19pm

Is it preceded by 'DAMN'?

463 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:58:39pm

re: #456 researchok

The only national/regional type diminutives I can think of that is acceptable is the term 'Canucks' or 'Yankees'.

/Yankee? oh gosh I am so offended... I don't think I can function/work any more... that hurt so much, I think I need to be supported for the rest of my life!

464 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:58:41pm

Heh.

From Hot Air:


Palin outlines doctrine for use of force, picks new foreign policy adviser

WIth the comment by Hot Air:


Leading from the front.

The front of what? Why does she need a foreign policy adviser? She going somewhere?

466 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:00:39pm

re: #464 Obdicut

Heh.

From Hot Air:

WIth the comment by Hot Air:

The front of what? Why does she need a foreign policy adviser? She going somewhere?

Wants to insure her bangs with Lloyds of London.

467 samgak  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:03:37pm

Charles,

Check this StackOverflow post. You have a CSS element

form#newssearchform button[value="pix"] {
margin-right: 0;
}

Try changing it to

form#newssearchform button[name="pix"] {
margin-right: 0;
}

and any others like it.

HTH.

468 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:04:06pm

re: #464 Obdicut

She's preparing for a conference at the International House of Pancakes.

469 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:06:03pm

Man, Palin isn't a big WWII buff, that's for sure.


Fourth, American soldiers must never be put under foreign command. We will fight side by side by our allies, but American soldiers must remain under the care and command of the American officers.

What a buffoon she is.

470 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:06:06pm

re: #464 Obdicut

Heh.
The front of what? Why does she need a foreign policy adviser? She going somewhere?


Her and Trump are toast. I see some fretting from the GOP about the Bin Laden kill and how it's going to effect the GOP race. It's far too late for the gop to find a real candidate. I doubt they are even going to try to win in 2012. The economy recovered and all their doomsday predictions never happened. They threw away the election a long time ago.

471 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:07:34pm

re: #465 jaunte

What do You Have to do to Get a Drink Around Here?

Thanks for posting that.

472 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:08:22pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

Some amazing life out there.

473 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:08:22pm

Hello.re: #464 Obdicut

Heh.

From Hot Air:

WIth the comment by Hot Air:

The front of what? Why does she need a foreign policy adviser? She going somewhere?

Howdy. Boy, I tell 'ya. That Obama. What with bin Laden being finally found and eliminated; keeping GITMO open; continuing CIA renditions; Libya military action; escalation in AFPAK; increased UAV strikes; extending the Patriot Act; etc. Yeah, he sure is a radical lefty!

//

474 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:08:57pm

re: #465 jaunte

What do You Have to do to Get a Drink Around Here?

That is very cool!
Thanks!

475 What, me worry?  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:09:07pm

re: #472 jaunte

Some amazing life out there.

And the photography to view it!

476 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:09:34pm

re: #466 Decatur Deb

Wants to insure her bangs with Lloyds of London.

Um are you SURE it's her, ahem, bangs she wants to insure?

477 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:11:05pm

re: #469 Obdicut

Man, Palin isn't a big WWII buff, that's for sure.

What a buffoon she is.

Palin continued down that track by insisting that a president must be able to articulate “clearly defined objectives” before foreign interventions

Clearly defined objectives doesn't mean a slogan, so she'd fail her own test.

478 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:12:23pm

Something is rotten in Alaska


Bristol Palin Bans Sarah Palin From Her Home

"Bristol Palin has reportedly banned her mother Sarah from her new house in Maricopa because she is too controlling - and too conservative.

The 20-year-old has become increasingly liberal since her appearance on Dancing with the Stars, and is said to have had a huge row with Mrs Palin when she announced she was considering supporting gay marriage.

According to the National Enquirer, she has told her mother to stay out of her house until she accepts her new views - which Mrs. Palin is worried could harm her own political ambitions."

479 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:13:10pm

re: #477 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Palin continued down that track by insisting that a president must be able to articulate ...

That's where she lost me.

480 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:13:10pm

re: #478 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Something is rotten in Alaska


Bristol Palin Bans Sarah Palin From Her Home

Pass the popcorn.

481 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:13:13pm

Seems like Sarah is grooming herself to be Ron Paul's running mate.

482 eightyfiv  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:13:33pm

Charles -- The IE7 crash looks like a stack overflow in MSHTML (I reproduced it in an old virtual machine). It goes into some sort of infinite (or at least ridiculously deep) recursion doing some sort of DOM/CSS/notification-something style handling. Any way there could somehow be a recursive or utterly insanely deep DOM or CSS structure?

Have a stack trace:


0:005> kv 2000
ChildEBP RetAddr Args to Child
02516fb4 6d312293 06998090 069868a0 02516ff0 mshtml!_chkstk+0x27
02516fe8 6d2f8b00 00000000 80011389 0000001f mshtml!ApplyFormatInfoProperty+0x158d (FPO: [9,5,4])
0251703c 6d30e726 025176c8 04b0e3f4 02517074 mshtml!ApplyAttrArrayValues+0xbe (FPO: [8,7,4])
02517570 6d2f8481 025176c8 00000002 00000400 mshtml!CStyleSheetArray::Apply+0x47a (FPO: [4,320,4])
025175d0 6d3ce1ec 00000400 06981ea0 025176c8 mshtml!CElement::ApplyDefaultFormat+0x2a0 (FPO: [1,15,4])
02517658 6d2f8900 025176c8 06981ea0 06b44340 mshtml!CButton::ApplyDefaultFormat+0x1aa (FPO: [1,28,4])
02517698 6d2f538a 086f9120 06b44340 02517aac mshtml!CElement::ComputeFormatsVirtual+0xaa3 (FPO: [2,10,4])
025176b4 6d30cab8 025176c8 06b44340 06b44340 mshtml!CElement::ComputeFormats+0x3a (FPO: [2,0,4])
02517944 6d32b77e 06981ea0 6d3355c2 00000000 mshtml!CTreeNode::GetFancyFormatHelper+0x4b (FPO: [0,159,4])
0251794c 6d3355c2 00000000 6d335d9f 00000000 mshtml!CElement::IsBlockElement+0x14 (FPO: [0,0,4])
02517954 6d335d9f 00000000 02517aac 00000001 mshtml!CElement::BreaksLine+0xa (FPO: [0,0,4])
025179a4 6d335cad 00000000 00000000 06b44360 mshtml!CLineBreakCompat::HandleText+0xa1 (FPO: [2,15,4])
025179c4 6d335854 02517f78 06981ea0 00000002 mshtml!CLineBreakCompat::ComputeNextBreaks+0x17b (FPO: [0,1,4])
025179dc 6d3360b9 00000004 025179fc 02517f78 mshtml!CLineBreakCompat::QueryBreaks+0xc2 (FPO: [2,1,4])
02517a00 6d335fee 02517f78 00000000 06981ea0 mshtml!CTreeSaver::LineBreakChar+0xad (FPO: [1,2,4])
02517a20 6d3364f7 06981ea0 02517a40 00000000 mshtml!CTreeSaver::CTreeSaver+0xc6 (FPO: [3,2,4])
02518004 6d57a7f6 02518024 00000202 6d2fec2c mshtml!CElement::GetText+0xcd (FPO: [2,369,4])
02518028 6d3287c0 06981ea0 02518078 6d57a7d4 mshtml!CButton::GetValueHelper+0x22 (FPO: [2,2,4])
0251803c 6d470d1e 06981ea0 02518078 00000000 mshtml!BASICPROPPARAMS::GetString+0x21 (FPO: [3,1,0])
0251806c 6d300196 6d2fec18 00000000 025180b8 mshtml!PROPERTYDESC::HandleStringProperty+0x266 (FPO: [5,4,4])
02518088 6d47a6cd 06981ea0 00080002 025180b8 mshtml!PROPERTYDESC::CallHandler+0x21 (FPO: [3,0,0])
025180bc 6d3be357 06981ea0 0251816c 06b44340 mshtml!CAttributeSelector::Match+0xdf (FPO: [1,5,4])
025180dc 6d30e39f 06981ea0 02518820 0251823c mshtml!CStyleSelector::MatchSimple+0x237 (FPO: [5,2,4])
025181a4 6d2f90f7 02518820 00000002 0251823c mshtml!CStyleSelector::Match+0x80 (FPO: [4,40,4])
025186c8 6d2f8481 02518820 00000002 00000400 mshtml!CStyleSheetArray::Apply+0x1e1 (FPO: [4,320,4])
...
...
483 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:14:09pm

re: #479 goddamnedfrank

That's where she lost me.

Originally, she said rhetoricate, but that new adviser is already earning his paycheck.

484 eightyfiv  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:14:34pm

(and the tail end of it, a megabyte later)


... repeatrepeatrepeat ...
0260f404 6d2f90f7 0260f97c 00000003 0260f49c mshtml!CStyleSelector::Match+0x80 (FPO: [4,40,4])
0260f928 6d33786a 0260f97c 00000003 00001ff0 mshtml!CStyleSheetArray::Apply+0x1e1 (FPO: [4,320,4])
0260f958 6d431c72 0260f97c 04a2ac90 06981ea0 mshtml!CElement::ApplyBehaviorCss+0x86 (FPO: [1,3,4])
0260f9c8 6d3453d9 00000002 0260faa0 06981ea0 mshtml!CElement::ProcessPeerTask+0x385 (FPO: [1,22,4])
0260fa20 6d3451a1 06981ea0 0260faa0 06981ea0 mshtml!CElement::EnterTree+0xfe (FPO: [0,16,4])
0260fa74 6d3d8cf0 0260faa0 06b44350 0697f1c0 mshtml!CElement::Notify+0x190 (FPO: [1,16,4])
0260fa88 6d2fb537 0260faa0 069ad680 069ad660 mshtml!CButton::Notify+0x12 (FPO: [1,0,0])
0260fae0 6d2fb936 009434c8 06982478 00000000 mshtml!CHtmRootParseCtx::FlushNotifications+0xf1 (FPO: [0,16,4])
0260faf8 6d2fb20a 069ad660 009434c8 06982478 mshtml!CHtmParse::Commit+0x4d (FPO: [1,1,4])
0260fb10 6d2fb35c 6d2fb8ed 04aaad40 06982478 mshtml!CHtmPost::Broadcast+0x11 (FPO: [1,0,4])
0260fbcc 6d2fba99 009434c8 04aaad40 06982478 mshtml!CHtmPost::Exec+0x191 (FPO: [1,41,4])
0260fbe4 6d2fba1a 009434c8 00943400 04aaad40 mshtml!CHtmPost::Run+0x13 (FPO: [1,0,4])
0260fbfc 6d30d118 04aaad40 009434c8 06982478 mshtml!PostManExecute+0xdc (FPO: [3,0,4])
0260fc18 6d3778ea 6d5cf5c1 04aaad40 00000000 mshtml!CPostManager::PostManOnTimer+0xc0 (FPO: [2,0,4])
0260fc4c 6d371392 0260fce8 00008002 00000000 mshtml!GlobalWndOnMethodCall+0x101 (FPO: [0,6,4])
0260fc6c 76991a10 000303f2 00000074 00000000 mshtml!GlobalWndProc+0x181 (FPO: [4,3,4])
0260fc98 76991ae8 6d3712e1 000303f2 00008002 USER32!InternalCallWinProc+0x23
0260fd10 76992a47 00000000 6d3712e1 000303f2 USER32!UserCallWinProcCheckWow+0x14b (FPO: [SEH])
0260fd74 76992a98 6d3712e1 00000000 0260fdec USER32!DispatchMessageWorker+0x322 (FPO: [SEH])
0260fd84 6ec8e6c3 0260fd9c 00000000 00000000 USER32!DispatchMessageW+0xf (FPO: [1,0,0])
0260fdec 77983833 0030e848 0260fe38 77b8a9bd IEFRAME!CTabWindow::_TabWindowThreadProc+0x189 (FPO: [1,20,4])
WARNING: Stack unwind information not available. Following frames may be wrong.
0260fdf8 77b8a9bd 002f08f8 0260fb3a 00000000 kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk+0x12
0260fe38 00000000 6ec8e48c 002f08f8 00000000 ntdll!LdrInitializeThunk+0x4d

485 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:16:46pm

re: #484 eightyfiv

Almost certainly a bug in IE7's code. No other browser has this problem.

486 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:17:10pm

re: #456 researchok

The only national/regional type diminutives I can think of that is acceptable is the term 'Canucks' or 'Yankees'.

Crackers?

487 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:18:51pm

re: #486 Naso Tang

Crackers?

Portlandiots?

488 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:18:53pm

re: #477 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Palin continued down that track by insisting that a president must be able to articulate “clearly defined objectives” before foreign interventions

Clearly defined objectives doesn't mean a slogan, so she'd fail her own test.

Had it been a Republican behind the Libyan military/NATO action the usual suspects would have been happy enough to see "let's go kick some Gaddafi/Libyan ass" as a clearly defined objective. Visions of Pan Am/Lockerbie would have been splashed across the headlines.

489 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:19:25pm

re: #486 Naso Tang

Crackers?

Not forget Rednecks

490 What, me worry?  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:20:31pm

re: #464 Obdicut

I found the speech on Sarah's PAC page. I liked this special helping of word salad.

There’s a lesson here then for the effective use of force, as opposed to sending our troops on missions that are ill-defined. And it can be argued that our involvement elsewhere, say in Libya, is an example of a lack of clarity.

See, these are deadly serious questions that we must ask ourselves when we contemplate sending Americans into harm’s way. Our men and women in uniform deserve a clear understanding of U.S. positions on such a crucial decision.

I believe our criteria before we send our young men and women—America’s finest—into harm’s way should be spelled out clearly when it comes to the use of our military force.

And if we followed Sarah's Most Awesome Foreign Policy Advice (tm), Osama would be dying of natural causes.

491 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:22:08pm

re: #438 negativ

I'd like to take this time to point out that I hate GNOME 3, and pretty much the GNOME Project itself at this point. I can't think of any other project that continually makes its product less and less configurable with each subsequent release, and then with a straight face claims that it's a "usability improvement".

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Someone has to make MS look good.

Gnome. Ick. If I need an open OS give me NetBSD & OLVM. But I'll still rather have a mac, preferably running X but 7.5 to 9.2 is doable too.

492 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:23:40pm

OK I am back I got some take out from a local ethnic restaurant, but I am afraid to say which one...

493 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:24:56pm

re: #490 marjoriemoon

I found the speech on Sarah's PAC page. I liked this special helping of word salad.

And if we followed Sarah's Most Awesome Foreign Policy Advice (tm), Osama would be dying of natural causes.

I am pretty sure the way the military works is you follow lawful orders, whether you have "mission clarity" or not.

494 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:24:57pm

Paulians are already accusing Palin of stealing Ron Paul's foreign policy stance.

495 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:10pm

re: #490 marjoriemoon

I found the speech on Sarah's PAC page. I liked this special helping of word salad.

And if we followed Sarah's Most Awesome Foreign Policy Advice (tm), Osama would be dying of natural causes.

And how many American "troops" have died during the military action in Libya over the past several weeks? Sarah Palin is a waste of sound pressure.

496 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:26:21pm

re: #492 brookly red

OK I am back I got some take out from a local ethnic restaurant, but I am afraid to say which one...

If you really are bursting to use a racial slur, just go ahead. Let it all hang out.

497 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:26:28pm

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Paulians are already accusing Palin of stealing Ron Paul's foreign policy stance.

Ron Paul's foreign policy stance is bent over with his hand over his eyes.

498 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:27:11pm

re: #492 brookly red

OK I am back I got some take out from a local ethnic restaurant, but I am afraid to say which one...

One with VERY tasty food!

499 What, me worry?  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:28:35pm

re: #493 imp_62

I am pretty sure the way the military works is you follow lawful orders, whether you have "mission clarity" or not.

I read her points, and I don't know what she means. Certainly the military forces involved in any mission, I'm assuming, know why they are there. Then there are secret missions, like this one, that if they aren't secret, they aren't successful.

500 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:28:54pm

re: #492 brookly red

OK I am back I got some take out from a local ethnic restaurant, but I am afraid to say which one...

Does "ethnic" mean "different than you"?
Just curious, it's a weird word.

501 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:29:04pm

re: #496 Charles

If you really are bursting to use a racial slur, just go ahead. Let it all hang out.

is Hunan a racial slur... I went to the Kum Kau restaurant and got some hunan fried rice.

502 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:29:40pm

re: #501 brookly red

is Hunan a racial slur

You tell me.

503 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:29:49pm

re: #501 brookly red

is Hunan a racial slur... I went to the Kum Kau restaurant and got some hunan fried rice.

it is very spicy!

504 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:30:12pm

re: #500 Floral Giraffe

Does "ethnic" mean "different than you"?
Just curious, it's a weird word.

Hi FG. How's things?

505 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:31:38pm

re: #502 Charles

You tell me.

me tell you? no. just a category on the menu.

506 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:00pm

re: #500 Floral Giraffe

Does "ethnic" mean "different than you"?
Just curious, it's a weird word.

Heh. I love the "Ethnic" isle in supermarkets. To me, it means 'Most of what you want is here'.

507 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:16pm

I guess I'm supposed to play along with this passive aggressive bullshit.

Sorry, not interested. If you're chafing because you really want to use a racial slur but feel like you're being suppressed, just go ahead and do it.

508 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:35pm

Looking up "ethnic" and "ethnic group"
An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy.[1][2] ,[3] "...in general it is a highly biologically self-perpetuating group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith".[4]

Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness. Processes that result in the emergence of such identification are called ethnogenesis.

509 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:49pm

re: #501 brookly red

is Hunan a racial slur... I went to the Kum Kau restaurant and got some hunan fried rice.

just stop it..You remind me of the Song, You are pushing to hard

Youtube Video
510 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:33:54pm

re: #505 brookly red

Do you just not grasp the entire concept of a racial slur, or what?

511 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:34:06pm
OK I am back I got some take out from a local ethnic restaurant, but I am afraid to say which one...

Such drama. Is it really so difficult?

512 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:34:10pm

re: #499 marjoriemoon

I read her points, and I don't know what she means. Certainly the military forces involved in any mission, I'm assuming, know why they are there. Then there are secret missions, like this one, that if they aren't secret, they aren't successful.

I doubt she knows what she means. Palin just likes to use shiny phrases like "men and women in uniform". I still find it interesting that many public figures who like to talk about all we owe "men and women in uniform" (I wonder if that includes cosplayers) never bothered "owing" them their companionship in a uniform. "Men and women in uniform" are a great rhetorical place to visit, but they wouldn't want to live there.

513 brookly red  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:34:23pm

re: #507 Charles

I guess I'm supposed to play along with this passive aggressive bullshit.

Sorry, not interested. If you're chafing because you really want to use a racial slur but feel like you're being suppressed, just go ahead and do it.

Charles, look are my posts racist? I am reading off the menu ...

514 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:35:30pm

re: #513 brookly red

Charles, look are my posts racist? I am reading off the menu ...

Brookly, just drop it. Shut up and eat your food or talk about the weather or something.

515 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:35:38pm

re: #513 brookly red

Charles, look are my posts racist? I am reading off the menu ...

This game is ending. Go play somewhere else.

516 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:36:18pm

Well, that was a really stupid way to go out.

517 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:36:34pm

re: #514 Gus 802

Brookly, just drop it. Shut up and eat your food or talk about the weather or something.

Here it comes...

Food goes in. Poop comes out. Can't explain that.

Oh, God - please help me.

518 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:37:05pm

re: #510 Obdicut

Do you just not grasp the entire concept of a racial slur, or what?

Oh damn. I was smart and deleted what I typed;.

519 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:37:05pm

re: #517 imp_62


Oh, God - please help me.

What the hell did you eat?

/

520 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:37:49pm

re: #515 Charles

Sorry to see it actually, but he has been pushing for a long time. I think he was asking for it. I dont get it.

521 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:38:07pm

Evening Lizards. What sort of quagmire am I walking into.

re: #515 Charles

Never mind.

Karma: 15,518


brookly red
This user is blocked.

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522 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:38:30pm

re: #516 Obdicut

Well, that was a really stupid way to go out.

What, you expected song and dance, maybe?

The Autumn Years

523 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:38:43pm

It's incredibly easy to NOT use a racial slur. All you have to do is say to yourself, "well, that's a racial slur, so maybe I should be a decent human being and refrain from using it."

Or you can be an asshole and try to prove something, in which case you can do that somewhere else.

524 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:39:10pm

re: #514 Gus 802

Brookly, just drop it. Shut up and eat your food or talk about the weather or something.

Too late, I think.

525 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:39:11pm

Remember, he represented ME THE DEMOCRAT!

crazy

526 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:40:00pm

re: #524 austin_blue

Too late, I think.

Yep. I tried to warn him. I'm sure he would have heeded to my advice.

//

527 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:42:05pm

So, who read my post on capturing anti-matter? I think that is unbelievably awesome stuff. That is pure science that will lead to, to, .... to sciency stuff that will make fundies heads explode.

528 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:43:32pm

And now, I'm off to eat the food of my fellow earthlings. The Japanese.

I will never ever have a prob with my fellow earthlings.

The assholes among us? Granted. But not ever worth my time.

529 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:45:19pm

I think the way I will get banned from LGF will be for exposing that Charles is actually an android reincarnation of Philip K. Dick, returned from the dead because he had to see for his own eyes the shit that is going down.

Yes Charles, I know your secret. What are you going to do about it?

530 bratwurst  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:45:47pm

re: #425 albusteve

LGF is not NYC

A little snow doesn't stop the garbage from being collected around here, that is one difference right off the bat!

531 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:46:11pm

Bottom line: if you signal to me that you're going to be a pain in the ass whose comments make LGF look bad, I'm not even going to spend 1 minute thinking about it.

532 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:47:15pm

re: #527 imp_62

So, who read my post on capturing anti-matter? I think that is unbelievably awesome stuff. That is pure science that will lead to, to, ... to sciency stuff that will make fundies heads explode.

Now we begin the search for dilithium.

533 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:47:49pm

re: #529 imp_62

I think the way I will get banned from LGF will be for exposing that Charles is actually an android reincarnation of Philip K. Dick, returned from the dead because he had to see for his own eyes the shit that is going down.

Yes Charles, I know your secret. What are you going to do about it?

I'm so sorry...

Youtube Video
534 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:50:31pm

re: #532 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Now we begin the search for dilithium.

There are actual scientific underpinnings to warp drive. The problem IIRC is that a warp field would be by its very nature impossible to "steer", so you could theoretically go warp speed, but not in any vectorially interesting sense... Kind of like taking a cab from Midtown to JFK.

535 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:51:03pm

re: #532 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Now we begin the search for dilithium.

But do we have a deflector array yet?

536 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:51:28pm

I really don't get it. Pakistani is very easy to spell and is a mere 5 characters more than the alternative known to be a racial slur. It takes about half a second to type the extra characters.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Afraid to just spell out what you mean without inserting veiled/open racist language? It's one thing to do it out of ignorance and haste, but now that you know what's the excuse?

537 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:51:32pm

re: #533 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I only wish my craziness were of the quiet, echoing variety.

538 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:52:09pm

re: #534 imp_62

There are actual scientific underpinnings to warp drive. The problem IIRC is that a warp field would be by its very nature impossible to "steer", so you could theoretically go warp speed, but not in any vectorially interesting sense... Kind of like taking a cab from Midtown to JFK.

What fun is a warp drive with the risk of breach in reality?

539 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:52:26pm

re: #535 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But do we have a deflector array yet?

Of course. Geller, Malkin et al have been using it to deflect reality for years.

540 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:53:09pm

re: #537 imp_62

I only wish my craziness were of the quiet, echoing variety.

Why didn't you say so?

Youtube Video
541 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:53:16pm

re: #531 Charles

Your blog, your rules.
They're not hard to follow.

542 Interesting Times  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:53:49pm

re: #523 Charles

It's incredibly easy to NOT use a racial slur. All you have to do is say to yourself, "well, that's a racial slur, so maybe I should be a decent human being and refrain from using it."

Or you can be an asshole and try to prove something, in which case you can do that somewhere else.

Thank you Charles. I would have commented earlier, but I just got to this thread. That term is not only a racial slur in Britain, but Canada as well.

I'm of Pakistani descent. That racial slur has been used against me

How do you think it makes me - or others who went through the same experience - feel when we see it here?

543 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:54:03pm

re: #540 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why didn't you say so?

[Video]

That's me on a calm day. Ask Mrs. Imp.

544 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:54:24pm

re: #536 prononymous

Some people resist advice, no matter how good it is.

545 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:55:51pm

re: #543 imp_62

That's me on a calm day. Ask Mrs. Imp.

So more like this then?

Youtube Video
546 FitzroyMcLean  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:56:19pm

re: #523 Charles

And that is one of the many reasons why LGF has become my favorite blog.

547 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:56:42pm

re: #542 publicityStunted

The anti-Semites of my Swiss childhood beat the racism out of me by the time I was 10. Then I filled out and spent the next 10 years beating it out of them.

548 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:58:11pm

re: #536 prononymous

I really don't get it. Pakistani is very easy to spell and is a mere 5 characters more than the alternative known to be a racial slur. It takes about half a second to type the extra characters.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Afraid to just spell out what you mean without inserting veiled/open racist language? It's one thing to do it out of ignorance and haste, but now that you know what's the excuse?

Charles banned him before I could ask if he had ever called a Pakistani person a "Paki" to his/her face. That's usually the best measure for whether or not a person knows if they are using an offensive racial slur.

549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:59:20pm

re: #542 publicityStunted

It'll get kind of intense over the next few months for Pakistanis. I wish you peace.

550 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:59:44pm

re: #546 FitzroyMcLean

And that is one of the many reasons why LGF has become my favorite blog.

It's not really a blog anymore, is it? What do you call this place now, Charles?

551 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:59:46pm

re: #548 moderatelyradicalliberal

Charles banned him before I could ask if he had ever called a Pakistani person a "Paki" to his/her face. That's usually the best measure for whether or not a person knows if they are using an offensive racial slur.

How does every racist joke start?

/checks over each should before leaning in to tell you the joke

552 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:01:14pm

re: #551 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How does every racist joke start?

/checks over each should before leaning in to tell you the joke

Pretty much.

553 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:01:42pm

re: #544 jaunte

Some people resist advice, no matter how good it is.

Advice from the "other side"? Must be a trap. /

554 Interesting Times  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:02:18pm

re: #547 imp_62

The anti-Semites of my Swiss childhood beat the racism out of me by the time I was 10. Then I filled out and spent the next 10 years beating it out of them.

As a 5'2" 105 lb woman, I'm not really capable of beating anything out of anyone ;)

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It'll get kind of intense over the next few months for Pakistanis. I wish you peace.

Thanks. I'm not exactly looking forward to the future :(

555 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:03:38pm

re: #550 imp_62

It's not really a blog anymore, is it? What do you call this place now, Charles?

Babylon 5?

556 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:04:39pm

re: #554 publicityStunted

As a 5'2" 105 lb woman, I'm not really capable of beating anything out of anyone ;)

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. I'm not exactly looking forward to the future :(

The future is always swell. It's the present that has issues.

557 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:05:19pm

re: #555 Bubblehead II

Babylon 5?

So does that make me Vir Cotto, G'Kar, or Garribaldi?

558 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:05:22pm

re: #501 brookly red

is Hunan a racial slur... I went to the Kum Kau restaurant and got some hunan fried rice.

Good question. Did you say "I'll take some of that Hun food" and observe their reaction?

Moron.

Yes, I know he's banned. I'm just having fun.

559 RadicalModerate  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:05:22pm

re: #438 negativ

I'd like to take this time to point out that I hate GNOME 3, and pretty much the GNOME Project itself at this point. I can't think of any other project that continually makes its product less and less configurable with each subsequent release, and then with a straight face claims that it's a "usability improvement".

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

You haven't seen what Canonical/Ubuntu did on the 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" release have you - they jettisoned GNOME 3 and replaced it with Unity. Which is a very usable interface.... if you only use a tablet PC. For desktop/notebook environments, it is a damn joke. Currently I've rolled back to Gnome 2.x, but that's only going to be short-term until I decide on whether to completely switch over to KDE (which I haven't liked in a LONG time) or bail on it completely.

560 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:06:12pm

re: #558 prononymous

Good question. Did you say "I'll take some of that Hun food" and observe their reaction?

Moron.

Yes, I know he's banned. I'm just having fun.

ANd in furhter news, Generalissimo Franco is still dead.

561 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:07:29pm

Off to keep Dr. Imp company in bed, as she is the only one who still puts up with my shit. Gotta keep her in good humour. Night all.

562 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:08:19pm

re: #557 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So does that make me Vir Cotto, G'Kar, or Garribaldi?

I nominate Gus for Garibaldi...or Londo. Haven't decided yet.

563 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:08:32pm

re: #557 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So does that make me Vir Cotto, G'Kar, or Garribaldi?

marcus?

564 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:08:43pm

re: #519 Obdicut

What the hell did you eat?

/

Hey, Obdi, go see the Alexander McQueen exhibit at the Met for me, please? One word report back ~ "fierce."

565 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:08:47pm

re: #558 prononymous

I think it's mean to make fun of someone who posted for a long time & got banned. But, that's just me.

566 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:08:51pm

re: #554 publicityStunted

As a 5'2" 105 lb woman, I'm not really capable of beating anything out of anyone ;)

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. I'm not exactly looking forward to the future :(

Hang in there! The owner of one of our local C-stores up on South First Street is Pakastani. Great guy. Anyone who fucks with him or his employees is going to get a little lesson in South Austin manners from us locals, who are overwhelmingly armed and Democrats.

567 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:09:57pm

re: #557 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So does that make me Vir Cotto, G'Kar, or Garribaldi?

In Babylon? Bob Marley.

568 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:10:17pm

re: #563 Bubblehead II

marcus?

I really hope not, didn't end well for him.

569 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:10:43pm

re: #564 prairiefire

Hey, Obdi, go see the Alexander McQueen exhibit at the Met for me, please? One word report back ~ "fierce."

I'll look for you!
Planning a trip to see it!
WOOT!

570 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:10:50pm

re: #558 prononymous

Good question. Did you say "I'll take some of that Hun food" and observe their reaction?

Moron.

Yes, I know he's banned. I'm just having fun.


Yeah, well I don't think its funny. But I jut got here and I haven't read the whole thread. I hope Brookly apologizes, but I won't be shocked if he doesn't. I'd miss him in that case, though. But it's not my call, and I was dealing with something else when it happened.

571 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:11:07pm

OKC is up by 10 at halftime...Go Thunder!

572 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:11:34pm

I love Vir best for this one moment

Youtube Video
573 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:11:49pm

re: #565 Floral Giraffe

I think it's mean to make fun of someone who posted for a long time & got banned. But, that's just me.

I agree and I'm done. Sorry if it was over the top.

Though when Charles gets tired of my communist propaganda pushing all his wrong buttons on purpose, feel free to laugh at me for as long as you like.

574 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:12:46pm

re: #565 Floral Giraffe

I think it's mean to make fun of someone who posted for a long time & got banned. But, that's just me.

So be it. But he knew the rules and he knew where the line was drawn. He intentionally crossed it. He flounced and is there for open to ridicule.

But then again. that just me.

575 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:13:22pm

re: #567 austin_blue

In Babylon? Bob Marley.

Youtube Video
576 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:13:36pm

Jon Stewart is having another good show, playing clips of himself in 2003, asking Musarraf if he knew where bin Laden was.
"You lied to me!.... and... I didn't really read your book!"

577 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:13:39pm

re: #574 Bubblehead II

Yes, and he'd been pushing the rules for a long time.
Still, i'd rather be kind, than mean.

578 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:14:05pm

re: #568 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I really hope not, didn't end well for him.

But he did die well. "The Greatest gift" and all that.

579 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:14:40pm

News from Libya:

May 3rd
The port is still closed, for the 2nd day in a row, due to the fact that some mines could still be present in the waters. None of the ships currently waiting in international waters could come in, and a Turkish ship still can’t unload supplies. The morale of the citizens is still high despite the fact that they have no electricity, water or medicine.

How does one find a loose, wandering naval mine?

580 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:14:58pm

Logistics are annoying.

581 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:15:48pm

re: #578 Bubblehead II

But he did die well. "The Greatest gift" and all that.

I'd just like to put off the dying part for a while longer.

582 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:15:59pm

re: #569 Floral Giraffe

I'll look for you!
Planning a trip to see it!
WOOT!

OMG, that's great! Enjoy! I just bought a perfume of his. More in my price range.

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:16:01pm

re: #579 ProLifeLiberal

Serpentine. Serpentine. Serpentine.

584 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:16:05pm

re: #579 ProLifeLiberal

News from Libya:

How does one find a loose, wandering naval mine?

Navel gazing?
///

585 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:16:44pm

re: #579 ProLifeLiberal

News from Libya:

How does one find a loose, wandering naval mine?

Not so much a matter of you finding it as it finding you. Just wait for the Earth-shattering kaboom.

586 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:17:02pm

re: #582 prairiefire

I'm not sure, yet, when I'm going.
But I really want to see it!
AWESOME talent!

587 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:17:05pm

re: #584 Floral Giraffe

Navel gazing?
///

How does one build a Naval Destroyer?

Put a nail in a hula hoop.

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:17:28pm

re: #585 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Where was the Earth-shattering kaboom?

589 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:18:22pm

re: #579 ProLifeLiberal

News from Libya:

How does one find a loose, wandering naval mine?

You send in minesweepers and have them use active sonar. Then you hope them don't get blown up. It's dangerous work. Naval minefields are just as nasty as their land-based kin, though they are not banned in the same way. This is largely because they are used far less often and almost always by governments in limited areas. That still does not excuse Gaddafi, of course.

590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:19:27pm

re: #571 HoosierHoops

Durant is just stoopid good.

591 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:20:05pm

re: #534 imp_62

There are actual scientific underpinnings to warp drive. The problem IIRC is that a warp field would be by its very nature impossible to "steer", so you could theoretically go warp speed, but not in any vectorially interesting sense... Kind of like taking a cab from Midtown to JFK.

According to General Relativity, faster-than-light travel is possible, in principle. Space can expand and contract, so by compressing the space in front of you and expanding the space behind you, it would be possible to traverse immense distances very quickly. The problem is the amount of energy required. (That, and the fact that we still can't build an airplane that doesn't crash if it hits a bird)

592 Randy W. Weeks  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:20:49pm

I wonder if AT&T got a tax break for out-sourcing their U-verse support to India?

I'm am trying very hard to be patient with people who are just reading a script, but it's hard.

593 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:04pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

Or you just get an English Farmer

Youtube Video
594 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:19pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, creating a migraine thought. The poeople there are troopers. They are without all of things that make modern life, and low on food and water, but Morale is high.

Picture of Control of the Nafusa Mountains. Gaddafi holds the foot of the mountains, the Berbers hol

595 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:26pm

re: #581 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd just like to put off the dying part for a while longer.

Fine, Then how about David Martel?

596 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:34pm

Damn Hulu skipping another week of House.

597 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:23:21pm

re: #548 moderatelyradicalliberal

Charles banned him before I could ask if he had ever called a Pakistani person a "Paki" to his/her face. That's usually the best measure for whether or not a person knows if they are using an offensive racial slur.

Bing fucking go

598 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:23:50pm

re: #595 Bubblehead II

Fine, Then how about David Martel?

Well played.

599 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:24:16pm

re: #594 ProLifeLiberal

The description for the picture should say:

Picture of Control of the Nafusa Mountains. Gaddafi holds the foot of the mountains, the Berbers hold the mountains themselves.

600 RadicalModerate  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:26:39pm

I swear, some of the conversation tonight sounded a lot like the "word association" skit that Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor did way back in the '70s on SNL, where the two participants engaged in an escalating back-and-forth of racial epithets. It almost got SNL cancelled, but did have the intended effect - after this skit, blatantly racist language was considered taboo on network television.

601 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:27:15pm

re: #571 HoosierHoops

OKC is up by 10 at halftime...Go Thunder!

Hoops. Im clueless tonight, but last night was a Gator NBA playoffarama! Corey Brewer (mavs) Noah (bulls) Horford (hawks). Woo hoo

602 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:28:13pm

re: #598 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well played.

Always like the way J'Kar slammed the Council for putting the emphasis on dying for the "One" instead of "serving the "One". Sinclair would have approved.

603 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:29:13pm

re: #582 prairiefire

This month's Harpers Bazaar has a nice tribute.

604 simoom  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:31:18pm

re: #232 avanti

If you really want to argue with the e-mailer, it would seem the mistake they made was making direct comparisons to the previous admin. Any easy response would be to try and demonstrate a comparative reluctance to risk US forces in the direct pursuit of Bin Laden ([Link: www.csmonitor.com...] ) or you could also try and demonstrate a comparative reluctance to peruse AQ leadership inside Pakistan with boots on the ground ([Link: www.nytimes.com...] ).

605 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:33:12pm

re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Durant is just stoopid good.

Ya think? Is it the rebounding skill, the passing skill, the ability to drive the lane, or the 3-point finesse? Loved watching him play in college. Gone too soon.

606 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:35:26pm

I also appreciate Time Magazine, for it's next issue's cover. Time has only done this three times before, first for Hitler, then for Saddam Hussein, then for Al-Zawarqui. Bin-Laden is given the horrid company in death his so richly earned in life.

607 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:35:59pm

Hey! Where is Greg Odom?

608 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:36:26pm

Night Lizards.

609 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:36:50pm

re: #607 Stanley Sea

Hey! Where is Greg Odom?

Hurt again. Happy for his signing bonus.

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:36:50pm

re: #605 austin_blue

Is it the rebounding skill, the passing skill, the ability to drive the lane, or the 3-point finesse?

Yes.

611 Interesting Times  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:37:01pm

re: #577 Floral Giraffe

Yes, and he'd been pushing the rules for a long time.
Still, i'd rather be kind, than mean.

Just as well I got to this thread late, else I might have said something to him jeopardizing my account. :/

On a more positive note, I'll just post something I came across on Facebook...food for thought, next time you find yourself falling into a monolithic view of a culture or country:

Dear Friends, many of you have been sending me messages to see how my family and I are doing. Thank you for your concern. Some have asked about the reactions of locals around me to yesterday's news, or the tv images of American's dancing in the streets of Washington and New York: "Is Pakistan Upset with America?" Well ~ from my perspective ~ the majority of Pakistan’s citizens live a daily struggle for basic necessities - food, clean water, shelter and safety. The reported finding and death of OBL was shocking to locals who now fear that diverse global reactions and political backlashes to the news may jeopardize Pakistan's fragile stability even more. Quite honestly - they don’t have time to dance in the streets, and most people my family and I interact with aren’t concerned with US citizens doing it either… they are simply too busy trying to live on less than 1 US dollar a day. Politicians living in million dollar homes while locals go hungry…or world famous terrorists living in million dollar homes while locals go hungry… they both make my other neighbours and I equally upset.

612 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:38:10pm

I just came back from watching some TV. Sorry to see a discussion went off the rails for one. Maybe it was bad hooch. I hope we can kiss and make up.

Talking of going off the rails, it is depressing to see the talking heads so focussed on whether waterboarding gave any useful information on getting UBL (IE credit to who). It's kind of like discussing whether hurricane Katrina was caused by someone who stomped a caterpillar in Africa, and prevented the butterfly that would have directed it to Cuba instead.

There should be a less polite term for speculation on hindsight.

I'm sure there is.

Goodnight.

613 prairiefire  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:38:20pm

re: #603 Floral Giraffe

Thanks, I'll get one. Another mad, sad genius. I wish he were still here. I think he would have been proud of Kate's dress.

614 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:38:50pm

re: #607 Stanley Sea

Hey! Where is Greg Odom?

Came into the league with the legs of my grandfather
His PG from OSU is playing tonight.. Conley Jr.

615 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:40:34pm

I can't believe I bought the Odom hype. Thought for sure he would be better than Durant. Real disappointed that my old high school classmate Scottie Reynolds wasn't drafted. He was gracious about it since that's the kind of guy he is.

616 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:40:36pm

Oh, one more comment. I also switched briefly to Jon Stewart and caught a computer graphic skit on the Brit ish royal family, that I thought so tasteless I changed channel.

I am very disappointed.

617 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:41:06pm

re: #614 HoosierHoops

Came into the league with the legs of my grandfather
His PG from OSU is playing tonight.. Conley Jr.

You're right, but jeebuz, Hoops, how can you get that used up at 22?

618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:41:14pm

re: #611 publicityStunted

Like I said. Peace to you and yours.

619 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:42:18pm

I've seen this crap too many times,
listen,if you post a comment,and use a term or an abbreviation,that people then inform you it is used by idiots as a slur against someone,the proper thing is to apologize. If you truly meant no offense,it should be a no brainer.
It is not an opportunity to play semantics.
Charles puts up with enough shit over LGF,all he asks of us is to not post embarrassing things that he has to clean up.
Show some fucking class....really.

620 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:42:34pm

I don't know if anyone saw the news of the car bomb in Benghazi, but there's a follow-up:

More images of the site of the car bomb in Benghazi, which local fighters appear to be blaming on "Gaddafi cells" in the opposition stronghold.

621 bratwurst  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:43:07pm

re: #606 Dark_Falcon

I also appreciate Time Magazine, for it's next issue's cover. Time has only done this three times before, first for Hitler, then for Saddam Hussein, then for Al-Zawarqui. Bin-Laden is given the horrid company in death his so richly earned in life.

Meanwhile, Newsweek followed up their Olsen twins cover with a SECOND royal wedding cover. I...uh...don't think I will be renewing.

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:43:31pm

re: #607 Stanley Sea

Hey! Where is Greg Odom?

Still the principal of the GREATEST ESPN, The Magazine commercial of all time.

623 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:44:29pm

re: #617 austin_blue

You're right, but jeebuz, Hoops, how can you get that used up at 22?

Bill Simmons sounded the alarm at the ESPY's when he saw Odom walk before the draft...He walked like an old man.. I met Bill Walton once...He can barely move now a days..Sad what sports can do to you

624 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:44:32pm

re: #616 Naso Tang

Oh, one more comment. I also switched briefly to Jon Stewart and caught a computer graphic skit on the Brit ish royal family, that I thought so tasteless I changed channel.

I am very disappointed.

He only did that because the British Royal Family legally made it so that recordings of their wedding couldn't be used for Satirical purposes....

If they didn't want to have to force Jon Stewart to show images of the Queen and Paddington Bear mowing down soccer hooligans than they shouldn't have denied him the right to show us what really happened.

625 simoom  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:45:05pm

re: #621 bratwurst

Yeah, Newsweek has been going downhill for years, but since the recent relaunch it's been terrible. I wont be renewing either.

626 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:45:31pm

re: #622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Still the principal of the GREATEST ESPN, The Magazine commercial of all time.

Wow. That was just awful. All the charisma of a tub of tofu.

627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:47:37pm

re: #626 austin_blue

I loved that commercial. He was so willing for self-parody...

628 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:48:18pm

re: #623 HoosierHoops

Bill Simmons sounded the alarm at the ESPY's when he saw Odom walk before the draft...He walked like an old man.. I met Bill Walton once...He can barely move now a days..Sad what sports can do to you

Yes, true. Walton broke foot bones like Don Juan broke hearts, but he stayed in the league for what, a decade?

629 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:49:51pm

re: #628 austin_blue


Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.
630 Stanghazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:50:21pm

re: #619 Boondock St. Bender

I've seen this crap too many times,
listen,if you post a comment,and use a term or an abbreviation,that people then inform you it is used by idiots as a slur against someone,the proper thing is to apologize. If you truly meant no offense,it should be a no brainer.
It is not an opportunity to play semantics.
Charles puts up with enough shit over LGF,all he asks of us is to not post embarrassing things that he has to clean up.
Show some fucking class...really.

Honestly? Smooch

631 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:51:53pm

re: #623 HoosierHoops

Bill Simmons sounded the alarm at the ESPY's when he saw Odom walk before the draft...He walked like an old man.. I met Bill Walton once...He can barely move now a days..Sad what sports can do to you

Oh, and by the way, I see Earl Campbell three or four times a year at a restaurant we both like. We know each well enough to be friendly, nod, and say hidey!s. He is just as crippled up as a man can be. I don't think there is a joint in his body that doesn't hurt. Badly. All the time.

632 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:52:06pm

re: #628 austin_blue

Walton also played in an era where ankle/knee/hip injuries were barely understood.Ankle injuries led to taping/high top sneakers...which then transfered the stress to knees...and so on.The surgical repairs were woeful compared to today.

633 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:53:53pm

re: #631 austin_blue

Oh, and by the way, I see Earl Campbell three or four times a year at a restaurant we both like. We know each well enough to be friendly, nod, and say hidey!s. He is just as crippled up as a man can be. I don't think there is a joint in his body that doesn't hurt. Badly. All the time.

I've heard that Earl is really bad...Many NFL players spend their whole life in pain

634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:54:45pm

re: #631 austin_blue

I can't think of Earl Campbell without that NFL Films guy's voice going off in my head...

"His name was Earl Christian Campbell"...

There. Now the brain bug is transferred to your brain too.

635 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:54:45pm

re: #631 austin_blue

Thats horrible,i remember watching him play.It's a high price to pay for a career in sports.

636 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:55:19pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank you.

637 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:55:56pm

re: #633 HoosierHoops

I've heard that Earl is really bad...Many NFL players spend their whole life in pain

Many sports folks, not just NFL players spend a lot of their days in pain.
It's a very high price to pay.

638 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:56:08pm

re: #633 HoosierHoops

I've heard that Earl is really bad...Many NFL players spend their whole life in pain

I've seen photos. Poor guy has aged terribly. A sad fate for anyone. A lot of the members of the Steelers dynasty of the 70's have passed on and it's amazing since many of those guys are around the same age my Dad is. I love football as a sport but I am real glad that my ten year old brother has made baseball his game and what's more is that he's really come to enjoy it and is doing great.

639 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:57:15pm

re: #631 austin_blue

Hey, family kid is headed to UT for school.
Nic is blue, want cool recommendations, if you choose to share!

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:17pm

OKC up by 20.

641 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:20pm

re: #633 HoosierHoops

I've heard that Earl is really bad...Many NFL players spend their whole life in pain

Too true. The man is sharp as a tack, mentally, but his body is a junkyard. Others go the opposite way. It's a hard life, except for the scads of cash. Professional sports is a brutal form of popular entertainment, especially for the actors.

Bread and circuses. [sigh]

642 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:38pm

OKC up by 20...How sweet it is!

643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:57pm

re: #639 Floral Giraffe

Why would you ask someone in Austin about the University of Tennessee?

644 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:00:15pm

re: #643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why would you ask someone in Austin about the University of Tennessee?

Texas!
Silly boy

645 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:00:34pm

re: #637 Floral Giraffe

Many sports folks, not just NFL players spend a lot of their days in pain.
It's a very high price to pay.

It's not just professional sports either. Got a family friend whose son played soccer through middle school and into high school. He's not even 25 and he's already had two shoulder surgeries and one knee surgery. He wanted to join the Air Force, but didn't even make it a week in boot before they had to release him. He's since tried without success to get into the Navy, Marines, and the Army.

646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:01:10pm

re: #644 HoosierHoops

Texas has a university? You don't say...

647 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:01:31pm

re: #643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do they eat armadillos there?
Hope you are well, FBV?
Silly guy!

648 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:02:30pm

re: #639 Floral Giraffe

Hey, family kid is headed to UT for school.
Nic is blue, want cool recommendations, if you choose to share!

My home e-mail is dead as a boot right now. I'll get back in touch with you, my dear FG, when I get this thing fixed.

649 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:03:43pm

re: #645 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That terrible,i know a lot of guys my age(44)who's' old high school injuries are coming back to haunt them.we lose a few every year on my softball team.

650 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:04:22pm

re: #647 Floral Giraffe

Do they eat armadillos there?
Hope you are well, FBV?
Silly guy!

Yes, but they call it 'possum on the half in Dallas. Classier that way, don'tcha know.

651 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:04:31pm

re: #648 austin_blue

Thank you very much, in advance!

652 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:05:10pm

re: #621 bratwurst

Meanwhile, Newsweek followed up their Olsen twins cover with a SECOND royal wedding cover. I...uh...don't think I will be renewing.

Quite Concur. It clearly shows who reacted quickly and who should be taken seriously.

653 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:05:22pm

re: #649 Boondock St. Bender

That terrible,i know a lot of guys my age(44)who's' old high school injuries are coming back to haunt them.we lose a few every year on my softball team.

My father played football up through his freshman year of college.

He walks bent over at about 10 degrees all the time. He actually has a handicapped plate.

His brother ran track. He still runs marathons.

654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:06:10pm

re: #644 HoosierHoops

Texas!
Silly boy

Out in my end of the country, UT is Tennessee.

655 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:06:53pm

re: #650 austin_blue

Yes, but they call it 'possum on the half in Dallas. Classier that way, don'tcha know.

So they "grill-o 'dillo' down your way? :D

656 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:00pm

re: #651 Floral Giraffe

Thank you very much, in advance!

My pleasure. in what state does the little matriculatee currently reside?

657 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:15pm

re: #652 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. It clearly shows who reacted quickly and who should be taken seriously.

Newsweek's web site is bin Laden.

Not that I normally check it.

658 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:40pm

re: #653 Emmmieg

Thats the game that seems to take the heaviest toll,very tough on the body,and with concussions on the mind as well.

659 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:08:31pm

re: #653 Emmmieg

My father played football up through his freshman year of college.

He walks bent over at about 10 degrees all the time. He actually has a handicapped plate.

His brother ran track. He still runs marathons.

Jim Traber..Whom I email alot still is getting operations on his body and he hasn't played pro ball in 25 years...Just last week he got another shoulder operation

660 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:09:16pm

G'night knucklheads.

661 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:09:32pm

re: #659 HoosierHoops

Shoulders are very painful, or so I have been told.
Good luck to your Jim & my friend.
May they be pain free.

662 austin_blue  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:09:43pm

re: #655 Dark_Falcon

So they "grill-o 'dillo' down your way? :D

It's treated like twice-cooked pork in China. Now, baby goat, *that's* spitted and grilled.

Yummm...

663 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:09:59pm

re: #649 Boondock St. Bender

That terrible,i know a lot of guys my age(44)who's' old high school injuries are coming back to haunt them.we lose a few every year on my softball team.

My old man played some softball back in the Navy, when he was a younger man and could get away with it. Tore a ligament in his ankle one time and had to have it reattached via metal screw. Nowadays, his knees are pretty much shot, which he attributes solely to 20+ years of tromping around on metal decks, but I'm willing to bet that all those years of softball didn't help him none.

664 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10:13pm

re: #657 Emmmieg

Newsweek's web site is bin Laden.

Not that I normally check it.

The website is, but Time quickly moved to make sure their next issue covered the extermination of that scumbag, while Newsweek was on autopilot. But that's just a symptom; Because as Simoon noted, Newsweek is going downhill fast.

665 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:11:24pm

re: #658 Boondock St. Bender

Thats the game that seems to take the heaviest toll,very tough on the body,and with concussions on the mind as well.

His mind is fine, his back is toast.

(Although I will note that his sister also had a bad back, and her idea of exercise is getting up to get a bowl of ice cream.)

666 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:12:02pm

No baby goat here, but I did have some nice rosemary roasted lamb chop lollipops with fingerling potatoes and a glass of Bordeaux for dinner in town...It's almost as good as goat.

667 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:13:06pm

re: #663 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

yeah,sports where there is a lot of start/stop, and patroling uneven outfields are murder on knees.i've been lucky so far.

668 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:16:03pm

our field is a mess,i once watched a player on another team running in the outfiels after a ball,and go down like he was shot. He stepped in a low spot and jammed/hyper extended his knee...it wasn't pretty.

669 jaunte  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:18:32pm

re: #631 austin_blue

Oh, and by the way, I see Earl Campbell three or four times a year at a restaurant we both like. We know each well enough to be friendly, nod, and say hidey!s. He is just as crippled up as a man can be. I don't think there is a joint in his body that doesn't hurt. Badly. All the time.

I'm sorry to hear that. I used to hidey to him a lot around Jester dorm, back in the Pleistocene.

670 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:21:32pm

re: #666 darthstar

No baby goat here, but I did have some nice rosemary roasted lamb chop lollipops with fingerling potatoes and a glass of Bordeaux for dinner in town...It's almost as good as goat.

Ooh...that was post 666...Hey everyone! I'm going to Hell!

Hello, Satan!
Payin' my dues,
Playin in a rockin' band...

I'm on a Highway to somewhere...

671 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:24:17pm

g'nite all

672 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:24:21pm

re: #666 darthstar

No baby goat here, but I did have some nice rosemary roasted lamb chop lollipops with fingerling potatoes and a glass of Bordeaux for dinner in town...It's almost as good as goat.

LOL!
Baby goat or no...

673 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:31:45pm

Sleep well, Lizards.

674 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:34:16pm

God, I'm getting all kinds of BS from wingnuts on OBL's becoming an ex-terrorist. They are so desperate to find any angle, any rumor going around, to latch onto as a reason to keep hating the man. They're trying to keep themselves absolutely convinced that he is the "worst president in history" and are willing to accept any bullshit that fits that mindset.

675 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:46:29pm

re: #674 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

God, I'm getting all kinds of BS from wingnuts on OBL's becoming an ex-terrorist. They are so desperate to find any angle, any rumor going around, to latch onto as a reason to keep hating the man. They're trying to keep themselves absolutely convinced that he is the "worst president in history" and are willing to accept any bullshit that fits that mindset.

From the fever swamp:

So far ZERO evidence has been presented by the Soetoro regime that ANY of this has happened, and until evidence IS presented, my only conclusion is this is once again another scam perpetrated by Mr. Soetoro to draw attention away from himself. I can imagine it was getting awfully hot in the WH with Mr. Trump constantly breathing down the back of our first foreign born Islamic posing as a US President, so what to do? Hey I know! A miracle has happened! We found Hitler hiding out in Graceland! And we....we..we killed him! yeah that’s it! And we immediately dumped him into the ocean so nobody can ever ever find him! Because when you finally have the most wanted man in the world, the first order of business is to get rid of him as fast as possible like Seigfreid and Roy magic!


This idjit is essentially accusing not just the president (a foregone conclusion) but the joint chiefs, the SEALs, the officers and crew of the USS Carl Vinson, and anyone else with direct knowledge of this operation of criminal complicity in a politically motivated hoax. Further, they are alleged to be so stupid as to ignore the near certainty of Osama popping up alive to discredit such a hoax.

676 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:48:28pm

You know, when Charles puts up a techie post, I don't even try to read it. I just go straight to comments and see how everyone is.

How is everyone? Is there anything in the techie post that I need to know and if so, will someone translate?

677 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:49:10pm

re: #675 Shiplord Kirel

They're the flip side of the Loose Changers.

678 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:50:57pm

re: #661 Floral Giraffe

Shoulders are very painful, or so I have been told.
Good luck to your Jim & my friend.
May they be pain free.

Shoulders are a definite flaw in design, IMHO. As are knees, ankles, wrists, hips . . . .LOL

679 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:51:27pm

re: #675 Shiplord Kirel

From the fever swamp:


This idjit is essentially accusing not just the president (a foregone conclusion) but the joint chiefs, the SEALs, the officers and crew of the USS Carl Vinson, and anyone else with direct knowledge of this operation of criminal complicity in a politically motivated hoax. Further, they are alleged to be so stupid as to ignore the near certainty of Osama popping up alive to discredit such a hoax.

This is what amazes me about people who believe in conspiracies like this. The numbers of people that would have to be involved in faking OBL's death is mind boggling. Do they really think Gen. David Petraeus is in on this conspiracy? These people are sick and I am sick of them.

680 SpaceJesus  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:51:44pm

geller's website looks about a thousand times better after it has been run through the geocitiesizer ([Link: wonder-tonic.com...]

[Link: wonder-tonic.com...]

681 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:52:41pm

re: #675 Shiplord Kirel

From the fever swamp:


This idjit is essentially accusing not just the president (a foregone conclusion) but the joint chiefs, the SEALs, the officers and crew of the USS Carl Vinson, and anyone else with direct knowledge of this operation of criminal complicity in a politically motivated hoax. Further, they are alleged to be so stupid as to ignore the near certainty of Osama popping up alive to discredit such a hoax.

If OBL were still alive, he wouldn't have wasted time making that apparent. Hell, Al-Q would have called bullshit on the whole deal within the first 24 hours. They sure as frak have no reason to be playing along with all this, so why would they? Let me guess, it's also a total fabrication, something created from whole cloth by past administrations to one day use in an elaborate false flag operation (9/11) in order to have an excuse to wage two wars in the Middle East.

And...and...oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed.

682 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:00:18pm

WE live in a chaotic system --right?

The idea that anyone or any group could control the time line of events in such a way to pull off the death of OBL and not leave a trail of paper or bytes is insane to me.

I mean, really?

THe other sci-fi realism that comes to mind is "Nature abhors a vacuum."

683 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:06:19pm

re: #675 Shiplord Kirel

From the fever swamp:


This idjit is essentially accusing not just the president (a foregone conclusion) but the joint chiefs, the SEALs, the officers and crew of the USS Carl Vinson, and anyone else with direct knowledge of this operation of criminal complicity in a politically motivated hoax. Further, they are alleged to be so stupid as to ignore the near certainty of Osama popping up alive to discredit such a hoax.

They good news is that line seems to be the minority. Most on the right aren't crediting Obama, but they are giving the SEALs and CIA the praise deserved. I don't agree with that myself: While calling Obama's action one of the "most gutsiest" actions in presidential history, as John Brennen did, is inaccurate. The lion's share of the credit clearly belongs to the SEALs and the CIA. That having been said, Obama did make the right decisions throughout the process leading up to the raid and he was right to order the raid itself.

684 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:07:45pm

In case you didn't know, the SI Joint really sucks too!

685 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:12:25pm

re: #683 Dark_Falcon

While calling Obama's action one of the "most gutsiest" actions in presidential history, as John Brennen did, is inaccurate.

It's not even the most bestest grammar.

686 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:13:03pm

re: #685 goddamnedfrank

It's not even the most bestest grammar.

Nor, the worstest, I'm askeered to say...

687 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:15:00pm

John Kass, a big critic of any and all Chicago Politics, wrote a very nice OpEd today praising Obama, the CIA and the SEALS.

688 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:15:40pm

Should have done World Eaters long ago. Done with the tanks after 2 days, now I got the rest of the month to finish the rest.

689 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:17:07pm

re: #683 Dark_Falcon

They good news is that line seems to be the minority. Most on the right aren't crediting Obama, but they are giving the SEALs and CIA the praise deserved. I don't agree with that myself: While calling Obama's action one of the "most gutsiest" actions in presidential history, as John Brennen did, is inaccurate. The lion's share of the credit clearly belongs to the SEALs and the CIA. That having been said, Obama did make the right decisions throughout the process leading up to the raid and he was right to order the raid itself.

Hell, that's why they've got the "He was forced into it" meme going, saying that the only way he'd have gone through with it is if he had no other choice.

690 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:19:20pm

re: #688 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Should have done World Eaters long ago. Done with the tanks after 2 days, now I got the rest of the month to finish the rest.

Nice. I got a good deal on one of the Forgeworld limited edition DKK Commissar on Horseback models today. I don't have any other IG to go with it, but the model was too good looking to pass up.

691 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:19:43pm

re: #689 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, that's why they've got the "He was forced into it" meme going, saying that the only way he'd have gone through with it is if he had no other choice.

Obviously a Democrat would never have picked military action, so the only possible answer is that he was forced to do so.

692 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:22:31pm

re: #690 goddamnedfrank

Nice. I got a good deal on one of the Forgeworld limited edition DKK Commissar on Horseback models today. I don't have any other IG to go with it, but the model was too good looking to pass up.

Death Korps are nice. They just published a book where they were the main IG force. All ranks and positions are assigned via serial numbers, they don't address each other by names. Colonel 22, Lt Gamma 22, Sgt Gamma-22-Epsilon, etc.

693 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:27:49pm

re: #542 publicityStunted

Thank you Charles. I would have commented earlier, but I just got to this thread. That term is not only a racial slur in Britain, but Canada as well.

I'm of Pakistani descent. That racial slur has been used against me

How do you think it makes me - or others who went through the same experience - feel when we see it here?

Just decided to drop by and saw the snark. Sorry you had to hear the slur. {{{pS}}} Hopefully, that'll be the last time.

694 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:31:26pm

re: #692 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Death Korps are nice. They just published a book where they were the main IG force. All ranks and positions are assigned via serial numbers, they don't address each other by names. Colonel 22, Lt Gamma 22, Sgt Gamma-22-Epsilon, etc.

They've got a good creepy vibe going with the gas mask motif. Not having to paint human skin tone is another nice bonus.

695 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:36:32pm

re: #694 goddamnedfrank

They've got a good creepy vibe going with the gas mask motif. Not having to paint human skin tone is another nice bonus.

Skin is easy. I go with a dwarf flesh base, a light wash of brown ink, then dry brush with elf flesh. Turns out great.

696 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:36:42pm

re: #3 Charles

Nope -- the problem with LGF happens just trying to load the page. It starts loading, then crashes.

Charles, do you know if the people who're running IE7 are also using the Google toolbar? I ran across something about that causing trouble once. It was a really old thread on a message board, but still....the most recent update to the Google toolbar was mid-April—isn't that more or less when people started having trouble?

697 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:39:20pm

Going back out now. It's too late to be jumping into the middle of things.

G'nite, everyone.

698 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:40:08pm

re: #691 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously a Democrat would never have picked military action, so the only possible answer is that he was forced to do so.

They're going into the '12 election painting the man as "weak" on foreign policy, unable to make the hard decisions, and so are latching onto the belief that he was avoiding the call to capture/kill OBL until the decision was taken out of his hands. In addition to the "mutiny" meme that Geller's pushing, the other one is that part of the info released by Wikileaks last week was our knowing who OBL's courier was. And that the release forced Obama's hand, forcing the mission for fear that OBL would figure out his location was known and bolt.

699 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:40:35pm

re: #695 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Skin is easy. I go with a dwarf flesh base, a light wash of brown ink, then dry brush with elf flesh. Turns out great.

Cool, thanks. Fear of not getting it right is part of why I started off with Orks, that and the fact that Orks are hilarious.

700 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:42:37pm

re: #698 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

... the other one is that part of the info released by Wikileaks last week was our knowing who OBL's courier was.

Is that even true?

701 Four More Tears  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:45:28pm

re: #700 goddamnedfrank

Is that even true?

I have trouble believing that info this sensitive would've been anywhere that wikileaks could have gotten a hold of it.

702 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:45:38pm

re: #700 goddamnedfrank

Is that even true?

They released his name, not sure when it got released though

703 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:47:20pm

re: #670 darthstar

RAISE THE GOAT

Youtube Video
704 Four More Tears  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:48:20pm

re: #702 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They released his name, not sure when it got released though

Huh. Who knew.

705 Targetpractice  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:48:48pm

re: #700 goddamnedfrank

Is that even true?

Apparently so, but apparently nobody thought to look for it until after OBL's head got ventilated. Now, like all good little Monday Morning QBs, they're developing their own conclusions about what it all means. And the cynical view is that Obama made his move only because of the release, that he had no intention of doing so otherwise.

706 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:59:28pm

From Pam:

JERUSALEM IMAM THREATENS TO KILL OBAMA

I may have my differences with Obama, but he is the President of these United States, our [emphasis Pam's] President, and Muslim clerics threatening to kill him show the true face of Islamic supremacism. They will unite this country. And the response will be merciless.

Ok, wait. After all the shit she's pulled Pam's going to claim Obama is her President? That's fucking rich, she'd love nothing more than to sink her teeth into his throat herself, she has questioned his legitimacy, religion, birth, citizenship and has literally labeled him a bastard. She don't get to claim him as her President, not anymore. People inside this country have been threatening Obama's life for years based on the bullshit Pam has eagerly perpetuated, but suddenly we're to believe she gives a shit?

707 samgak  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:02:43pm

re: #482 eightyfiv

Charles -- The IE7 crash looks like a stack overflow in MSHTML (I reproduced it in an old virtual machine). It goes into some sort of infinite (or at least ridiculously deep) recursion doing some sort of DOM/CSS/notification-something style handling. Any way there could somehow be a recursive or utterly insanely deep DOM or CSS structure?


If the crash is CSS-related it is plausible that the problem is the IE7 CSS issue mentioned in #467.

708 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:02:49pm

night all!

709 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:03:18pm

re: #168 Decatur Deb

Many are ex-terrorists, pining for the wadis.

I don't think they have a lot of wadis in Pakistan.

710 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:04:12pm

re: #706 goddamnedfrank

From Pam:

Ok, wait. After all the shit she's pulled Pam's going to claim Obama is her President? That's fucking rich, she'd love nothing more than to sink her teeth into his throat herself, she has questioned his legitimacy, religion, birth, citizenship and has literally labeled him a bastard. She don't get to claim him as her President, not anymore. People inside this country have been threatening Obama's life for years based on the bullshit Pam has eagerly perpetuated, but suddenly we're to believe she gives a shit?

You're forgetting her hierarchy.

First you scream about the Muslims.
Then you scream about Obama.

711 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:06:03pm

re: #224 brookly red

don't laugh, these phuckers are serious... they hate big time and will probably target the weakest.

All the more reason to laugh.

They are serious.

But we are serious too.

And we have a better sense of humor, plus night-vision goggles.

712 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:14:57pm

re: #364 albusteve

in NM, I'm a gringo...
that's fine, because...
I actually am!

There was some guy here once that was absolutely bitter about being called an Anglo--I don't think he had even actually been CALLED an Anglo, but he was pissed off that Latinos somewhere were getting away with calling him that.

I'm an Anglo. It's not a slur. It's a description.

Mutter 'gabacha' at me, though, and I may get touchy.

713 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:15:34pm

re: #373 Naso Tang

Since we're still on a roll with this I have to ask if I'm allowed to say "Talib"?

One Talib. Several Taliban. I do not think it's offensive to anyone.

714 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:17:38pm

re: #411 brookly red

OK so the local fusion restaurant that has a big sign out front saying Chino-Latino is to be condemned?

Why? 'Chino' isn't offensive. Neither is 'Latino'.

715 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:19:57pm

re: #714 SanFranciscoZionist

Why? 'Chino' isn't offensive. Neither is 'Latino'.

He's dead, Jim (so to speak).

Unfortunately, brookly's now an ex-Lizard, because they wouldn't shut the fuck up and quit poking Charles in the eye.

716 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:24:38pm

re: #706 goddamnedfrank

From Pam:

Ok, wait. After all the shit she's pulled Pam's going to claim Obama is her President? That's fucking rich, she'd love nothing more than to sink her teeth into his throat herself, she has questioned his legitimacy, religion, birth, citizenship and has literally labeled him a bastard. She don't get to claim him as her President, not anymore. People inside this country have been threatening Obama's life for years based on the bullshit Pam has eagerly perpetuated, but suddenly we're to believe she gives a shit?

No, we're just supposed to hate Muslims, and maybe THIS will work.

Groan.

717 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:25:32pm

re: #715 talon_262

He's dead, Jim (so to speak).

Unfortunately, brookly's now an ex-Lizard, because they wouldn't shut the fuck up and quit poking Charles in the eye.

Yeah, I got that.

I shall miss brookly.

Maybe he'll apologize and return.

718 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 4, 2011 5:30:40am

re: #709 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think they have a lot of wadis in Pakistan.

They have fewer fjords. And most of these guy aren't Pakistani.

719 diego  Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:20am

LGF is locking up my IE8

720 wrenchwench  Wed, May 4, 2011 9:57:42am

re: #719 diego

LGF is locking up my IE8

What part of "$#%@ %$#^&@" do you not understand?

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721 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, May 6, 2011 10:07:16pm

re: #393 brookly red

I don't want to get all silly with you but in these parts (NYC) Paki is just a term...

But then again "Ey, fuck you" is the official New York State greeting.

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