Tonight in Ferguson, Missouri

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1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 8:11:19pm

I’m glad this finally got moved off the Robin Williams thread. Am watching “The Fisher King” in memory.

2 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:13:08pm
3 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:14:57pm
4 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:16:00pm
5 Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2014 8:16:08pm
6 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:16:17pm

Holy shit…

7 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:16:19pm

“The whole world is watching Ferguson tonight.”

Which is why the cops are ordering the press out and threatening people with cellphones and cameras.

8 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 8:16:27pm

Telling the media to get out is the surest way in the world to get the strongest and most ambitious media types to stick around. They will smell a Pulitzer prize in the air so they will hide in dumpsters, crawl under bushes, climb trees, risk arrest and bodily injury, and do whatever else it takes to get the story the cops don’t want seen. Savvy media types even have their own gas masks and of course, the best imaging and recording gear money can buy.

9 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 8:17:04pm

Sickening.

10 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:17:21pm

re: #7 Kragar

“The whole world is watching Ferguson tonight.”

Which is why the cops are ordering the press out and threatening people with cellphones and cameras.

If the cameras leave, somebody will die.

11 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:18:15pm

re: #10 Aunty Entity Dragon

If the cameras leave, somebody will die.

Again.

12 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 8:18:25pm
13 Lancelot Link  Aug 11, 2014 8:18:33pm

This image

makes me think of this

14 abolitionist  Aug 11, 2014 8:20:24pm

re: #13 Lancelot Link

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Clockwork Orange, right?

15 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:20:31pm

re: #13 Lancelot Link

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This.

16 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:20:52pm
17 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 8:21:22pm

re: #7 Kragar

“The whole world is watching Ferguson tonight.”

Which is why the cops are ordering the press out and threatening people with cellphones and cameras.

re: #10 Aunty Entity Dragon

If the cameras leave, somebody will die.

The Ferguson PD have been spoiling for a fight the past couple of nights; they may be worried about the media filming them, but they best be worried about YouTube, because that’s gonna be what may cook their asses if they do go hog wild on the protesters.

18 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:21:24pm
19 makeitstop  Aug 11, 2014 8:21:50pm

re: #10 Aunty Entity Dragon

If the cameras leave, somebody will die.

Maybe a few somebodies.

20 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:22:25pm

re: #19 makeitstop

Maybe a few somebodies.

aka “looters”
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21 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 8:22:38pm

re: #7 Kragar

“The whole world is watching Ferguson tonight.”

Which is why the cops are ordering the press out and threatening people with cellphones and cameras.

Congress needs to step in and put a stop to this kind of suppression. It seems to be happening everywhere.

22 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:22:41pm

re: #18 Kragar

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It’s another byproduct of our obscenely bloated defense budget.

23 Belafon  Aug 11, 2014 8:22:42pm

re: #18 Kragar

And the guy I was arguing with thinks that the answer is for non-police people to have more guns.

Do they not understand “escalation”?

24 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:23:21pm

re: #17 TedStriker

The Ferguson PD have been spoiling for a fight the past couple of nights; they may be worried about the media filming them, but they best be worried about YouTube, because that’s gonna be what may cook their asses if they do go hog wild on the protesters.

After last nights’ riot, they likely think they have cover to do whatever they like now.

25 Stanley Sea  Aug 11, 2014 8:24:02pm

re: #23 Belafon

And the guy I was arguing with thinks that the answer is for non-police people to have more guns.

There will an agreement. Ha delusional.

26 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:24:11pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

Congress needs to step in and put a stop to this kind of suppression. It seems to be happening everywhere.

The same congress who voted to repeal Obamacare 50 plus times?

27 makeitstop  Aug 11, 2014 8:24:45pm

re: #20 Kragar

aka “looters”
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Yep. Minus any media in the area, they can go off on whoever and justify it any way they like.

They seem determined to provoke people so the story will stop being about their trigger-happy cop once and for all.

28 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:25:10pm

re: #23 Belafon

And the guy I was arguing with thinks that the answer is for non-police people to have more guns.

If we actually reach that point, it means we are in another civil war or a revolution…and I don’t want to fuck with that scenario.

29 Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2014 8:26:29pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

Telling the media to get out is the surest way in the world to get the strongest and most ambitious media types to stick around. They will smell a Pulitzer prize in the air so they will hide in dumpsters, crawl under bushes, climb trees, risk arrest and bodily injury, and do whatever else it takes to get the story the cops don’t want seen. Savvy media types even have their own gas masks and of course, the best imaging and recording gear money can buy.

Yes, but some of the stations will order their crews to leave, not wanting to damage expensive equipment or incur liability for injured news crew members. So which the most ambitious news people will indeed stay in a situation like that if they can, quite a few of them will have to leave anyways in order to keep their jobs.

30 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 8:27:34pm
31 nines09  Aug 11, 2014 8:27:41pm
32 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:27:46pm
33 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 8:27:54pm

Hmm, seems like the reporters speculation about all the “unusual” traffic on 270 highway being looters coming in from other areas might be confirmed.

The anchor on the livestream from KTVI just said that there had been no statement yet on where any of the 10 people charged with felony burglary today were from. Then followed that by saying that a source within the Sheriffs department had confirmed that none of them were from Ferguson, they were all from St. Louis city.

The county prosecutor did say that every single of them had prior criminal records though…

34 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 8:28:09pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but some of the stations will order their crews to leave, not wanting to damage expensive equipment or incur liability for injured news crew members. So which the most ambitious news people will indeed stay in a situation like that if they can, quite a few of them will have to leave anyways in order to keep their jobs.

There are Pulitzers involved. They won’t leave.

35 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:28:21pm

re: #32 Aunty Entity Dragon

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And people say Obama’s the totalitarian. Yeah…….

36 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 8:28:38pm

re: #4 Lidane

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That sounds almost like exercising constitutional rights or something.

37 ninja cat  Aug 11, 2014 8:29:54pm

Where is the Mayor? The Police Chief? Anyone calling for calm and getting the cops to drop their police state fantasies? Emotions are raw and the cops are just rubbing salt in the wounds.

38 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:30:15pm
39 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:31:02pm
40 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 8:31:02pm

re: #37 ninja cat

Less than zero leadership on this from the Police Chief.

41 Floral Giraffe  Aug 11, 2014 8:31:13pm

re: #24 Aunty Entity Dragon

After last nights’ riot, they likely think they have cover to do whatever they like now.

I hope that they find out just HOW wrong they are.
And not at the expense of any more lives!

42 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:31:31pm
43 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 8:31:38pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit. The media has every right to be there, and will stay if they have any professionalism. Many of my PJ friends went to jail back in the film days for refusing to give up their film (yes, really) because it was their employer’s property. The cops can suck it.

44 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:31:43pm

re: #38 Kragar

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And cops wonder why they have an image problem. Not saying all cops are like this btw but this kind of shit.

45 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:32:41pm
46 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:32:56pm

re: #45 Lidane

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That’s courage.

47 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 8:33:42pm

I’ve mentioned before that I was an eyewitness to the 1968 Chicago convention riots. My late mother was a delegate and I was there with my parents. It is one of the things that soured me on the Democratic Party for many years to come. The folks had taken me along in the hope that I could see their party in all its populist glory and be converted from my budding interest in the GOP. What I got instead was Hubert Humphrey being muscled into the nomination by a corrupt establishment, and, on the streets, a riot by the police. I watched from our hotel balcony, since I was 19 at the time and didn’t dare show my face on the street. The Chicago cops went berserk, furiously beating anyone they could catch. The victims I saw were not throwing rocks and bottles of shit, they were running for their lives. It was the first time I had smelled tear gas, The cops had endured an incredible amount of provocation from leftist agitators, but the latter beat a hasty retreat when things turned ugly and the cops vented their rage on bystanders, hangers-on, and concerned if naive young people who had shown up to take part in a peaceful demonstration, a demonstration they had every reason to expect to proceed in peace.

48 Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2014 8:33:47pm

re: #34 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There are Pulitzers involved. They won’t leave.

Some won’t, but others will feel they don’t have a choice. It’s hard to win a Pulitzer Prize when your employers liability lawyers demand that you be fired for putting company property at risk and exposing the company to liability if one of your crew is injured.

Corporations don’t think in terms of awards, they think in terms of money.

49 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:33:54pm
50 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 8:34:00pm

re: #37 ninja cat

Where is the Mayor? The Police Chief? Anyone calling for calm and getting the cops to drop their police state fantasies? Emotions are raw and the cops are just rubbing salt in the wounds.

The two people that should be out in front of this, trying to calm nerves and ease tensions, seem to be completely derelict in their duties.

They’re either incompetent or they are totally OK with their police department declaring war on its own citizenry.

51 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 8:34:12pm
52 Joanne  Aug 11, 2014 8:34:41pm

re: #40 jaunte

Less than zero leadership on this from the Police Chief.

Oh, I don’t know. The CoP might very well be leading. After all, Brown was made out to be a druggie thug in their first press briefing.

The cops are acting like animals. And that might very well come from the top.

53 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:35:11pm

re: #51 jaunte

Getting gassed in your own home when you’re no direct threat = instant civil rights lawsuit. These people should sue the shit out of the Ferguson PD.

54 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 8:35:34pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Take your bullshit elsewhere, I can’t tolerate your ass tonight.

55 Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2014 8:35:36pm

re: #43 Kid A

I’m not saying what should happen, I’m saying what I think is likely to happen.

56 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 8:35:37pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Some won’t, but others will feel they don’t have a choice. It’s hard to win a Pulitzer Prize when your employers liability lawyers demand that you be fired for putting company property at risk and exposing the company to liability if one of your crew is injured.

Corporations don’t think in terms of awards, they think in terms of money.

You’re wrong. Says all the journalism organizations ever. (In terms of Pulitzers)

57 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:36:26pm
58 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 8:36:32pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

No you’re not.

59 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:37:47pm
60 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:38:21pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve mentioned before that I was eyewitness to the 1968 Chicago convention riots. My late mother was a delegate and I was there with my parents. It is one of the things that soured me on the Democratic Party for many years to come. The folks had taken me along in the hope that I could see their party in all its populist glory and be converted from my budding interest in the GOP. What I got instead was Hubert Humphrey being muscled into the nomination by a corrupt establishment, and, on the streets, a riot by the police. I watched from our hotel balcony, since I was 19 at the time and didn’t dare show my face on the street. The Chicago cops went berserk, furiously beating anyone they could catch. The victims I saw were not throwing rocks and bottles of shit, they were running for their lives. It was the first time I had smelled tear gas, The cops had endured an incredible amount of provocation from leftist agitators, but the latter beat a hasty retreat when things turned ugly and the cops vented their rage on bystanders, hangers-on, and concerned if naive young who had shown up to take part in a peaceful demonstration, a demonstration they had every reason to expect to proceed in peace.

And then you get this:

Just before the 1996 DNC in Chicago, a local printer made up a batch of shirts that read, “We kicked your father’s ass in 1968 … Wait ‘til you see what we do to you.” The front read: “Chicago Police,” and then, “Democratic National Convention Chicago—1996.” The shirt wasn’t endorsed by Chicago PD or the police union, but it became so popular with city cops that Chicago Mayor Richard Daley issued a warning that any officer seen wearing one would be disciplined

61 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:39:11pm
62 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:40:59pm
63 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:41:07pm
64 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:41:48pm
65 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:43:52pm
66 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:44:37pm
67 teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2014 8:46:25pm

OT. Code question.

How do you make really small letters in a comment?

68 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 8:46:31pm

re: #63 Aunty Entity Dragon

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69 Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2014 8:47:16pm

re: #60 Aunty Entity Dragon

And then you get this:

And in 2012 for the NATO summit there was this t-shirt:

Protestors unwelcome.

It was sold in the gift shop of the NBC tower in downtown Chicago and it sold very well, I was told. The second production run of the shirt never even made it onto the store’s racks, being entirely presold to Chicago police groups.

So I confirm Celtic Dragon’s story, for I saw a latter-day proof of it with my own eyes.

70 Stanley Sea  Aug 11, 2014 8:48:29pm

re: #61 Lidane

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Has THAT cop been fired? Serve and protect my ass.

71 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:48:57pm
72 CuriousLurker  Aug 11, 2014 8:50:03pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

OT. Code question.

How do you make really small letters in a comment?

Wrap your text in the superscript or subscript tags.

<sup>your text</sup>

<sub>your text</sub>

73 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 8:50:07pm

re: #66 Lidane

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re: #66 Lidane

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74 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:50:25pm

Some people really shouldn’t be cops.

75 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 8:52:52pm

re: #71 Lidane

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And that tear gas was probably manufactured just up the road from me. I know a few people that work there.

76 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 8:53:39pm
77 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:54:45pm

You know it’s going to be telling at the Twittersphere and seeing the same people who shout slogans like DON’T TRUST THE TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT begging the Ferguson PD to crack skulls.

78 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 8:56:09pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

You know it’s going to be telling at the Twittersphere and seeing the same people who shout slogans like DON’T TRUST THE TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT begging the Ferguson PD to crack skills.

Skulls, perhaps?

79 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:56:23pm

shitty cops:

balistics confirmed that a female bank teller hostage was killed by gunfire from police officers in Stockton, California last month.

Cop at Policeone:

SAPDMAS on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:27 PM Pacific Report Abuse

To the peoe of this city, don’t punish your police department and these officers. If you want to donate money to the lady’s family then do so. Don’t give a dime in a lawsuit, it takes money from the people the police are trying to protect and weaken the place department . It sucks, but the poor lady was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Very bad things happen to good people every day sadly.

Just so you know…if you get gunned down by the police while you are held hostage, this is what some will say to your family: “Sucks to be you”...and don’t dare file a lawsuit for getting shot.

80 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:57:31pm

re: #78 Kid A

Skulls, perhaps?

Yeah sorry. Been a long night here. One of my favorite baseball players got pretty hurt and it was a very emotional game for the O’s who did end up on top.

81 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:58:28pm

There was a kid not far from here who was shot and killed by the couples for having a knife on him. Now I don’t know the 100% details but I really feel that is a situation that could have been dealt with using lethal force.

82 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 8:58:46pm

Cops at Policeone discussing events tonight at Ferguson:

Posted by Runcop on Monday, August 11, 2014 07:10 PM Pacific Report Abuse

POS Frickin animals!!

Posted by redwolf_cars on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:43 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I work in the area and deal with these lowbrow welfare whelps all day long the kids has a criminal history and these idiots wouldnt understand use of force if it could make them millionaires. I hear I’m racist from 98 of the people I arrest

83 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:58:50pm

Yeah, it’s the Anon assholes, but still. Holy shit:

84 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:59:11pm

re: #83 Lidane

Yeah, it’s the Anon assholes, but still. Holy shit:

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It’s like a warzone there, wow.

85 Belafon  Aug 11, 2014 8:59:13pm

re: #62 Lidane

Weird, for some reason, this guy has me blocked from retweeting or even following him. I don’t think I’d ever hear of this guy before yesterday, and I pretty much agree with all his politics.

86 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 8:59:17pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Machado?

87 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:00:27pm

At policeone:

Posted by dschiebel on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:00 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I work for god, he says eradicate evil.

88 teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2014 9:00:44pm

What in the hell is going on in Ferguson, MO?

89 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:00:54pm

re: #86 Kid A

Machado?

Yeah. Love that kid. Saying it’s a knee sprain. Fingers crossed.

90 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 9:01:20pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

At policeone:

Posted by dschiebel on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:00 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I work for god, he says eradicate evil.

WTF??

91 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:01:27pm

re: #85 Belafon

Weird, for some reason, this guy has me blocked from retweeting or even following him. I don’t think I’d ever hear of this guy before yesterday, and I pretty much agree with all his politics.

Maybe some discussion you got into on Twitter had him caught up in the mentions?

92 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:01:55pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

At policeone:

Posted by dschiebel on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:00 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I work for god, he says eradicate evil.

More extermination rhetoric I see, le sigh.

93 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:02:09pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

What in the hell is going on in Ferguson, MO?

The local police are definitively proving why Posse Comitatus is bullshit.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 9:02:22pm

re: #76 Kragar

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I’m a little skittish about sending in the army, which is the subject of Posse Comitatus. Contrary to much wingnut propaganda and mythology, though, it is legal under certain circumstances. Beyond that, there are plenty of people who do not respect the police at all but who do respect the military.

95 Belafon  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:02pm

re: #91 Lidane

Is there a way to ask to be unblocked?

96 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:08pm

Has Obama been blamed for Ferguson yet?
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97 CuriousLurker  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:19pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

At policeone:

Posted by dschiebel on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:00 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I work for god, he says eradicate evil.

Yeah, that’s what the assholes in Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Shabab, etc. claim as they murder & kidnap innocents.

98 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:43pm

re: #83 Lidane

Yeah, it’s the Anon assholes, but still. Holy shit:

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Its also Oakland from 3 years ago

99 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:49pm

re: #95 Belafon

Is there a way to ask to be unblocked?

No idea.

100 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:50pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

What in the hell is going on in Ferguson, MO?

Chemical warfare.

101 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 9:04:10pm

re: #96 Kid A

Repeatedly, from both sides.

102 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:04:16pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

More extermination rhetoric I see, le sigh.

re: #90 Kid A

WTF??

Common stuff at Policeone. The place is a real eye opener if you want to know what some cops are saying about you and your fellow “sheep”(what they generally call us there…seriously!) behind your back.

103 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:04:24pm

re: #98 Kragar

Its also Oakland from 3 years ago

Really? Wow.

104 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 9:05:13pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Love that kid. Saying it’s a knee sprain. Fingers crossed.

You’re up 5.5 games. If its a 15-day DL, you should be okay.

105 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:05:16pm
106 andres  Aug 11, 2014 9:05:29pm

Sorry to go OT so soon. While going to see the Guardians of the Galaxy movie (awesome, recommended), I saw this trailer about legendary Mexican comedian Cantinflas. It still gives me goosebumps seeing it. Seems very respectfully done in his memory.

Youtube Video

107 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 9:05:31pm

re: #103 Lidane

Really? Wow.

google.com

108 abolitionist  Aug 11, 2014 9:06:08pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

What in the hell is going on in Ferguson, MO?

They fucked up bad, and now they’re trying really hard to convince everyone that’s not important or relevant.

Or their provisonal paramilitary equipment allocations and budgets are up against a use-it-or-lose-it calendar deadline.
/half

109 Joanne  Aug 11, 2014 9:07:08pm

re: #82 Aunty Entity Dragon

Posted by redwolf_cars on Monday, August 11, 2014 06:43 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I work in the area and deal with these lowbrow welfare whelps all day long the kids has a criminal history and these idiots wouldnt understand use of force if it could make them millionaires. I hear I’m racist from 98 of the people I arrest

I can’t confirm the racism but you’re definitely a murdered. You killed the English language in that short diatribe. A Palin fan, no doubt.

110 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 9:09:46pm
111 Floral Giraffe  Aug 11, 2014 9:10:10pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel

I’m a little skittish about sending in the army, which is the subject of Posse Comitatus. Contrary to much wingnut propaganda and mythology, though, it is legal under certain circumstances. Beyond that, there are plenty of people who do not respect the police at all but who do respect the military.

National Guard, maybe?

112 Belafon  Aug 11, 2014 9:11:07pm

re: #99 Lidane

Never mind. I figured it out. Gabe is the person I was arguing with that seemed to think we could solve these if everyone had a gun.

Actually, I didn’t. Gabe wasn’t who I was arguing with, it was one of other assholes under his picture. Guess he got tired of the argument under his picture.

113 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:11:10pm

8 More Unarmed Teens Still At Large

With all the uproar over the killing of Missouri 18-year-old Michael Brown, it’s easy to forget about the countless unarmed teens who are still on the loose in America. Here’s the lowdown on eight of them.

114 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 9:11:25pm

re: #110 Kragar

Anyone getting ‘distracted’ by these shows of disturbance has an incentive to shift the focus.

115 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:12:23pm
116 klys  Aug 11, 2014 9:13:59pm
117 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:14:12pm

This just now:

118 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:14:27pm

re: #106 andres

Ooh. I’ll have to see that. I grew up watching Cantinflas. I’m interested,

I’m also excited for The Book of Life. Looks amazing:

Youtube Video

119 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 9:14:57pm

re: #83 Lidane

Yeah, it’s the Anon assholes, but still. Holy shit:

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re: #98 Kragar

Its also Oakland from 3 years ago

re: #103 Lidane

Really? Wow.

re: #107 Kragar

google.com

120 Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2014 9:16:03pm

Goodnight, All.

121 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:16:16pm

Fred effing Thompson on MSNBC talking about reverse mortgages.

122 Joanne  Aug 11, 2014 9:17:02pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

123 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:17:38pm

Tired and in a lot of pain. Can’t last here much longer.

124 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:18:23pm

re: #122 Joanne

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damn, I’m finding this stuff at the same time as everyone else, lol…

125 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 9:18:32pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

This just now:

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The Ferguson cops are getting antsy and just can’t stand it, hence the push to rid the area of all of those pesky journalists.

They’ve got some skull-crackin’ to do…

126 Joanne  Aug 11, 2014 9:19:43pm

re: #124 Aunty Entity Dragon

damn, I’m finding this stuff at the same time as everyone else, lol…

Oh no. I stoled it from you. :-D

127 gwangung  Aug 11, 2014 9:20:12pm

Strikes me that your jack booted thugs are more likely to be your local police than federal offices.

128 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:20:35pm

re: #126 Joanne

Oh no. I stoled it from you. :-D

Heh!

129 andres  Aug 11, 2014 9:20:53pm

re: #118 Lidane

Ooh. I’ll have to see that. I grew up watching Cantinflas. I’m interested,

I’m also excited for The Book of Life. Looks amazing:

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Video

I agree!

130 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:24:34pm

re: #125 TedStriker

The Ferguson cops are getting antsy and just can’t stand it, hence the push to rid the area of all of those pesky journalists.

They’ve got some skull-crackin’ to do…

Sounds like Orks from Warhammer 40K.

Get em boyz! Dakka dakka dakka! WAAAGH! THE ORKS! WAAAGH!

131 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:24:42pm
132 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2014 9:25:14pm

I’m out for the night. See you tomorrow.

133 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 9:26:56pm

KTVI reporter and camera crew just got gassed, they had been told to move away several times but were still there. Crowd the police are firing gas at is on the other side of the police line from the reporter, yet they turn around and shoot one five feet from the camera crew.

They were kinda pissing me off anyway, anchor keeps asking “we have reports of rubber bullets being used, have you seen that?”
The reporter just keeps saying “That hasn’t been confirmed, earlier (like three hours) when I asked a Ferguson police supervisor he denied that they had been used.”

*pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop* in the background

Anchor: “We hear what sounds like shots being fired there”
Reporter: “I believe that is just tear gas being fired by the police”

arghh….

134 Joanne  Aug 11, 2014 9:28:20pm

re: #132 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m out for the night. See you tomorrow.

Night night!

135 gwangung  Aug 11, 2014 9:32:30pm

QFT

136 BeachDem  Aug 11, 2014 9:35:21pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

8 More Unarmed Teens Still At Large

That was great—we needed it tonight. Thanks. (cute kids)

137 BeachDem  Aug 11, 2014 9:37:29pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

This just now:

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Wonder whose lives?

138 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:38:55pm

re: #121 Aunty Entity Dragon

Fred effing Thompson on MSNBC talking about reverse mortgages.

I want to go to sleep but let me at least go to sleep listening to something pleasant.

139 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 9:40:17pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I want to go to sleep but let me at least go to sleep listening to something pleasant.

Youtube Video

140 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 9:44:22pm
141 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:45:44pm

re: #140 Kragar

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2014 America. Still a long way to go.

142 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:45:45pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I want to go to sleep but let me at least go to sleep listening to something pleasant.

I’ve had this in my head since seeing Guardians of the Galaxy on Saturday:

Youtube Video

143 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:46:34pm

Thanks for the tunes guys.

144 BeachDem  Aug 11, 2014 9:52:00pm

For What It’s Worth

Despite the fact that the song was released a solid three years before the shootings, many listeners in the late 1960s and early 1970s assume that the “For What It’s Worth” was written about the events at Kent State. Others believed that the song was meant to protest the Vietnam War. The real inspiration, though, was much closer to home for the members of Buffalo Springfield. Beginning in 1966, there were a series of riots in Los Angeles in response to curfews imposed on young people who hung out on the Sunset Strip. Buffalo Springfield was the house band at the Whiskey a Go Go, a popular nightclub in West Hollywood, when the riots began.

shmoop.com

Youtube Video

There’s something happening here
But what it is ain’t exactly clear
There’s a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it’s time we stop
Children, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

There’s battle lines being drawn
Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
Young people speaking’ their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It’s time we stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, “hooray for our side”

It’s time we stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

We better stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

We better stop
Now, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

We better stop
Children, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

145 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 11, 2014 9:52:19pm

Friend of mine in St. Louis:

serve and protect is harass and neglect around here

146 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:52:59pm

re: #144 BeachDem

For What It’s Worth

Despite the fact that the song was released a solid three years before the shootings, many listeners in the late 1960s and early 1970s assume that the “For What It’s Worth” was written about the events at Kent State. Others believed that the song was meant to protest the Vietnam War. The real inspiration, though, was much closer to home for the members of Buffalo Springfield. Beginning in 1966, there were a series of riots in Los Angeles in response to curfews imposed on young people who hung out on the Sunset Strip. Buffalo Springfield was the house band at the Whiskey a Go Go, a popular nightclub in West Hollywood, when the riots began.

shmoop.com

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Video

There’s something happening here
But what it is ain’t exactly clear
There’s a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it’s time we stop
Children, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

There’s battle lines being drawn
Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
Young people speaking’ their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It’s time we stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, “hooray for our side”

It’s time we stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

We better stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

We better stop
Now, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

We better stop
Children, what’s that sound?
Everybody look - what’s going down?

Grew up hearing a lot of Buffalo Springfield, always loved this song and many of their others.

147 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 9:53:55pm

re: #116 klys

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re: #131 Lidane

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148 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:56:02pm

re: #147 TedStriker

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Very classy Tweet on your part. Wish we saw more of that on the internet rather than people hiding behind a keyboard to be nasty. Real sad to hear about Robin. He was a very talented guy and a big part of many of our childhoods.

149 BeachDem  Aug 11, 2014 9:58:19pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Very classy Tweet on your part. Wish we saw more of that on the internet rather than people hiding behind a keyboard to be nasty. Real sad to hear about Robin. He was a very talented guy and a big part of many of our childhoods.

Agree with everything you just said, except for the childhood part because I’m older than Robin Williams. (sigh)

150 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:10:33pm
151 gwangung  Aug 11, 2014 10:12:27pm

re: #150 Kragar

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REALLY? REALLY????? Some asshats are using MLK against the folks of Ferguson????

DESK!!!!!!

152 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 10:16:24pm
153 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:19:12pm
154 Varek Raith  Aug 11, 2014 10:33:00pm

The silence from the dudebros is deafening.

155 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 10:36:13pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

The silence from the dudebros is deafening.

Indeed it is.

156 Varek Raith  Aug 11, 2014 10:40:54pm

I really should go to bed.
Good night.

157 Single-handed sailor  Aug 11, 2014 10:43:36pm

Police tear gassing local residents in their own yards.

Fox 2

158 The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 11, 2014 10:46:54pm

re: #151 gwangung

REALLY? REALLY????? Some asshats are using MLK against the folks of Ferguson????

DESK!!!!!!

“How uncivilized that you weren’t completely peaceful and unthreatening. We, as civilized folk, have no choice but to indiscriminately retaliate. And no, we won’t be devoting any time to self-reflection to this situation at all.”

There’s a convenient memory hole down which is stuffed the fact that the Civil Rights protestors in all of those various campaigns (not just those associated with MLK) trained for months and months beforehand.

And a separate-but-adjacent memory hole down which both the initial shooting and any bad behavior by the police will be stuffed.

It’s just the whole “Assimilate and act like your betters”/”You aren’t assimilated enough, we get to treat you however we want” moving goalpost, writ small.

159 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:52:01pm
160 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 10:58:09pm
161 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 11:17:37pm

Funny if you get the joke. :)

162 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 12:15:41am

re: #160 ausador

and somehow, also highly erotic…

163 Kragar  Aug 12, 2014 12:39:25am

National Review Online, August 2014, where an author thinks calling a black child a monkey is still something he can get away with:

Where the Sidewalk Ends

‘Hey, hey craaaaaacka! Cracka! White devil! F*** you, white devil!” The guy looks remarkably like Snoop Dogg: skinny enough for a Vogue advertisement, lean-faced with a wry expression, long braids. He glances slyly from side to side, making sure his audience is taking all this in, before raising his palms to his clavicles, elbows akimbo, in the universal gesture of primate territorial challenge. Luckily for me, he’s more like a three-fifths-scale Snoop Dogg, a few inches shy of four feet high, probably about nine years old, and his mom — I assume she’s his mom — is looking at me with an expression that is a complex blend of embarrassment, pity, and amusement, as though to say: “Kids say the darnedest things, do they not, white devil?”

164 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 12:41:36am

re: #163 Kragar

but the black kid said “crackaaa”!

who’se the real racist here?

165 Kragar  Aug 12, 2014 12:44:02am
166 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 1:27:05am

Slavyansk.

167 Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2014 1:27:14am

re: #163 Kragar

Yikes. You should make a page out of that comment.

168 Jack Burton  Aug 12, 2014 1:29:22am

re: #163 Kragar

National Review Online, August 2014, where an author thinks calling a black child a monkey is still something he can get away with:

Where the Sidewalk Ends

I can’t help but think the “three fifths” number he used was intentionally picked as well.

169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 1:53:19am

re: #166 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Slavyansk.

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The persistence of memory, indeed…

170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 1:59:54am

re: #168 Jack Burton

I can’t help but think the “three fifths” number he used was intentionally picked as well.

That thing is just chock full of dog whistles.

Their approach is to portray the shooting as an isolated police incident and the looting as a systemic trait of blacks.

171 goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2014 2:18:28am

...

172 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 2:41:19am

Just because Ukraine’s struggle against the Russian semi-stealthy invasion and terrorists is fully justified doesn’t give it a pass on making a union with the Ukrainian neo-Nazis in this struggle.

173 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 12, 2014 2:42:33am

Yesterday, passed under the radar for the most part:

Sovereign Citizen Gun Nut Armed with AK-47 Opens Fire in North Dallas

Update: Man arrested in Far North Dallas shooting faces 7 counts of aggravated assault on public servant

Police have released additional details about the Far North Dallas shooting Monday afternoon.

Major Jeff Cotner of the Crimes Against Persons Division said Dallas Fire-Rescue personnel responding to a trash-bin fire at Frankford and North 40th Place were fired on when a man armed with a rifle lured them into an open area. The truck was shot at least twice before they were able to drive to a wooded area and call for back up, he said.

When police arrived, the man shot at them. Officers retreated, and when they tried to tactfully approach the man, he shot at them again, Cotner said.

At the same time as officers were responding to the scene, police received a ‘want to locate’ call from the Denton County Sheriff’s Department regarding the gunman.

Police also learned that the gunman had threatened a babysitter, who retreated into a nearby home and hid in a safe place with an 8-year-old girl.

After the suspect surrendered to SWAT, they had to clear the scene of suspicious devices like propane tanks and jars filled with water that had been placed outside the home before rescuing the woman and child, Cotner said. Some of the devices had been exploded.

The man, whose identity has not been released, will be charged with seven counts of aggravated assault on a public servant.

174 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 12, 2014 2:52:48am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel

That particular nutter’s Ak is now the permanent property of the Dallas police, but Cheaper Than Dirt (in nearby Fort Worth) still has a huge variety of AKs starting at just $499.
Full disclosure: I own an AK-47, but I am not a nutcase. Of course, I get to make the latter determination basically on my own and the dealer would take my word for it.

175 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 2:59:30am

Here is Azov’s emblem:

It consists of the inverted Wolfsangel rune (meaning in this case the Idea of the Nation and resembling a partial swastika) and the symbol of the Black Sun.

What should the locals of Donbass think when they are liberated by folks carrying neo-Nazi symbols?

That Putin’s propaganda was correct after all? Yeah, that’s helpful.

176 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 3:01:24am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel

Yesterday, passed under the radar for the most part:

Sovereign Citizen Gun Nut Armed with AK-47 Opens Fire in North Dallas

Update: Man arrested in Far North Dallas shooting faces 7 counts of aggravated assault on public servant

Lone wolf, isolated incident, no true Scotsman, move along, folks. Now how about all that looting in Ferguson?

177 palomino  Aug 12, 2014 3:27:11am

re: #165 Kragar

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This is what passes for commentary on the intellectual right today. A black kid said mean racist things to the author, ergo not only is the state of Illinois doomed, but it’s all the fault of the governor. Yeah, that’s a really strong logical connection.

Kevin D. Williamson isn’t much different from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh in his blowhard right wing dog whistle style. Except he went to college and has no radio/TV skills, so he gets to write for National Review.

178 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 3:29:20am

re: #163 Kragar

National Review Online, August 2014, where an author thinks calling a black child a monkey is still something he can get away with:

Where the Sidewalk Ends

Interesting choice of words here:

Luckily for me, he’s more like a three-fifths-scale Snoop Dogg, a few inches shy of four feet high, probably about nine years old, and his mom — I assume she’s his mom — is looking at me with an expression that is a complex blend of embarrassment, pity, and amusement, as though to say: “Kids say the darnedest things, do they not, white devil?”

Gee. Where else have I heard 3/5 used with respect to a black person?

179 A Mom Anon  Aug 12, 2014 4:10:30am

re: #178 Lidane

I’m going to go ahead and call bullshit on this whole “anecdote”. I doubt it ever happened, except in the fevered imagination of the author. A form of racist pornography. In the same vein as the old “Letters to Penthouse Forum” only with racism substituted for the sex. And 3/5ths? SERIOUSLY?

See, this is what happens when this shit isn’t smacked down when it starts AND when you have a political party who not only has done nothing to purge this rot from it’s ranks but has done a great job of encouraging it with silence. They fed this monster and this is what we all get in return.

Also, I had to go run a few errands yesterday and about a half mile down the road from me, some asshole installed a shiny new flagpole with a huge fucking Gadsden Flag hanging off it. No American flag, just that one. One of his nearby neighborhood dipshits has a steady supply of the old GA State flag with the “stars and bars” on it that he replaces when that flag gets too torn up. Again, no American flag, just that one.

But I’m the traitor who hates America. Yeah. Right.

180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 4:12:05am

re: #179 A Mom Anon

See, this is what happens when this shit isn’t smacked down when it starts AND when you have a political party who not only has done nothing to purge this rot from it’s ranks but has done a great job of encouraging it with silence. They fed this monster and this is what we all get in return.

It is no longer just the case that you can get away with this shit and still be taken seriously. It is now that you have to sound like this in order to be heard.

181 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 4:33:22am

NRO was founded by a Jim Crow apologist. Not much has changed.

182 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 4:36:36am

I would love to see hear outside of pretending to be intellectual how the writers at NRO differ from those at Stormfront. That rag has a serious race problem.

183 A Mom Anon  Aug 12, 2014 4:37:43am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yep.

Everyone talks about elections at the federal level. And while important, they are not, by far the only ones that matter. A LOT of this infested rot is at the state and local levels. It’s like the lower down the ladder you go, the worse it gets in far too many places in this country right now.

184 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 4:42:16am

re: #183 A Mom Anon

Yep.

Everyone talks about elections at the federal level. And while important, they are not, by far the only ones that matter. A LOT of this infested rot is at the state and local levels. It’s like the lower down the ladder you go, the worse it gets in far too many places in this country right now.

Yeah very true about the local level. Another point to add about the local level is that is the place where one needs to beat the nuts before they can rise. I’ll bring up Ken Cuccinneli whom everyday I am thankful is not my governor. He very nearly lost a state senate election and that area is actually now represented by a Democrat. Crazy and bigoted needs to be confronted early.

185 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 4:46:01am

re: #177 palomino

This is what passes for commentary on the intellectual right today. A black kid said mean racist things to the author, ergo not only is the state of Illinois doomed, but it’s all the fault of the governor. Yeah, that’s a really strong logical connection.

Kevin D. Williamson isn’t much different from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh in his blowhard right wing dog whistle style. Except he went to college and has no radio/TV skills, so he gets to write for National Review.

It’s all about making their readership afraid of the hypothetical hostile black person. I still remember reading Dan Riehl or whatever that guy’s name is fantasizing about a group of black people on D.C’s Green line giving him and Tea Partiers are a hard time and them fighting them. Honestly, the right has and always I think will have a problem with race in this country as long as they continue to be more ideologically close ot Jefferson Davis than Abraham Lincoln.

186 ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2014 4:46:03am

re: #183 A Mom Anon

Yep.

Everyone talks about elections at the federal level. And while important, they are not, by far the only ones that matter. A LOT of this infested rot is at the state and local levels. It’s like the lower down the ladder you go, the worse it gets in far too many places in this country right now.

Yeah, that is why it is called the base. And the national candidates are built on that base.

In this case though, we need to call it the base base.

By the way…morning everyone. I don’t know about you, but I awoke emotionally drained, still suffering from the Robin Williams news.

187 Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2014 4:46:05am

Here’s an NRO piece I think folks here will like better, and its actually about the Ferguson shooting and subsequent protests:

The Right’s Wrong Reaction to the Missouri Shooting

By Charles C. W. Cooke

There is no good news from Ferguson, Mo. Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown is dead — shot “more than a couple of times” by a police officer who may or may not have been pushed into his patrol car and may or may not have been involved in a struggle over a pistol. Incensed residents have taken to rioting, to sacking private businesses that had nothing whatsoever to do with the incident, and, in some cases, to burning them to the ground. Like clockwork, the professional grievance industry has announced its intention to descend vaingloriously upon the scene. And, in some quarters of the media, pundits have begun to pretend that America’s cops are routinely gunning down unarmed young black men for their own pleasure.

The sensible responses to these developments strike me as these: (1) To acknowledge that justice is a process — and a slow one at that — and that we should all wait for the facts of the case before reacting too vehemently. Police officers are no less fallible than any other human beings, and, as we should all sadly know by now, there are many among them who are unconscionably trigger-happy. Nevertheless, presumption of innocence applies to men in uniform, too, and to pretend otherwise is to abandon those virtuous institutions that keep us civilized. Easy as it might sound to recommend, patience and restraint are necessary here; (2) To insist that rioting is in almost all cases unacceptable, and that this is especially so when the targets of violence are wholly unrelated to the matter at hand. As the deceased’s own family has established — with palpable exasperation — nobody’s interests here can possibly be served by third parties taking goods from private stores and then burning them down; (3) To groan at the news that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are gearing up to involve themselves in the mess, and to note that no good can come of their particular brand of self-aggrandizing rabble-rousing; (4) to push back gently against the notion that the United States is currently afflicted by an epidemic of white-on-black butchery.

Alas, far too many conservatives have today taken a different road, responding to the news instead by insistently and smugly repeating a non sequitur. “Well,” these types have inquired on Twitter and beyond, “what about black on black violence, huh?” Distilled into its purest form, this request boils down to a scoff: “Why, pray, are the people of Ferguson so worried about this unlovely episode, when almost 500 black Americans die at the hands of other black Americans every month?”

This is a peculiar and inappropriate response. Whatever its cause, it is indisputably true that the United States has a problem with blacks killing blacks. And yet this has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand, which is: “Did a police officer unjustifiably kill an unarmed black man in Missouri?” It is feasible, is it not, to be worried about the internecine violence in America’s inner cities and to want to get to the bottom of an allegedly unwarranted shooting? So why the conflation? After all, whether or not it is intentional, reacting to a community’s grief by raising an entirely separate topic smacks largely of distraction — of reflexively throwing up a roadblock to what is a legitimate line of inquiry in the hope that the subject might swiftly be changed.

Unfortunately, a number of the comments continue with the conflation, and in a couple of cases the reason is clear: Those commentators see conceding any point to ‘the left’ as surrender and believe that whatever claims the ‘other side’ makes must be rejected on that basis alone. It a very toxic version of the “Not Invented Here” phenomenon.

188 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 4:48:08am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Here’s an NRO piece I think folks here will like better, and its actually about the Ferguson shooting and subsequent protests:

The Right’s Wrong Reaction to the Missouri Shooting

By Charles C. W. Cooke

Unfortunately, a number of the comments continue with the conflation, and in a couple of cases the reason is clear: Those commentators see conceding any point to ‘the left’ as surrender and believe that whatever claims the ‘other side’ makes must be rejected on that basis alone. It a very toxic version of the “Not Invented Here” phenomenon.

Can you please stop pimping that rag? Please DF. NRO really has no credibility at all on this issue. None. They started out as a magazine that apologized for segregation, they’ve continued to hire people who espouse white nationalist rhetoric, and as we see above they haveh’t learned a damn thing from either. They have no empathy for what it may be like to be poor and or black in this country because their readership doesn’t care. I’m sorry if I come off as being harsh on you personally but I think I speak for many Lizards when I say, I don’t like nor do I respect the NRO. They’re really no different from a pseudo-intellectual version of some of the worst racist publications at this point.

189 Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2014 4:51:38am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I would love to see hear outside of pretending to be intellectual how the writers at NRO differ from those at Stormfront. That rag has a serious race problem.

Please read Mr. Cooke’s piece. Its not a cure-all, but it will make clear that he at least does understand what the Ferguson matter is all about. And ultimately, his condemnation of conflation and distraction can be boiled down to this (in my own words):

You cannot use examples of violent and unlawful conduct to excuse other violent and unlawful conduct, especially when it is committed by a police officer. When wrongs are committed, conservatives should deal with them honestly.

190 A Mom Anon  Aug 12, 2014 4:54:10am

re: #186 ObserverArt

I am steeling myself to go back to the hospital today to see my friend who is dying and to see old friends who I haven’t seen since The Son was little. It’s so surreal that it took this one man’s dying to bring so many of us back together again. I hope it lasts because I missed so many of these people over the last 15 or so years. His family is going to be not just devastated by his loss, but the medical bills are going to be astronomical. He has minimal health insurance, but I doubt seriously it’s going to cover over a week in ICU, possible hospice care and heaven knows what else. He has no will and no life insurance either. Throw in Robin Williams’ suicide and our own family financial worries and I may become a pile of weeping goo in a corner somewhere. Geesh.

191 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 5:01:26am

Welp.

My son drove in from Toronto yesterday afternoon with his younger kids (all the older ones are in camp). He had to wait for over an hour at the Sarnia/Port Huron border crossing, who knows why. Then he came over and we all enjoyed dinner.

Then he said he had to leave because he needed to get to Chicago where his oldest daughter is a counselor at some day camp. So they left.

They got turned back when two major freeways were flooded out, I begged them to spend the night here but they pressed on, went all the way to Lansing before they could get on a road that would take them to the I-94. So I hope they are in Chicago now.

Anyway I thought it would be all cleared up this morning, but the freeway was still shut down. I could have turned around and worked from home, but I stayed on the surface roads, I have meetings today.

I’ll bet the meetings get cancelled because everyone else stayed home.

192 ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2014 5:03:04am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Here’s an NRO piece I think folks here will like better, and its actually about the Ferguson shooting and subsequent protests:

The Right’s Wrong Reaction to the Missouri Shooting

By Charles C. W. Cooke

Unfortunately, a number of the comments continue with the conflation, and in a couple of cases the reason is clear: Those commentators see conceding any point to ‘the left’ as surrender and believe that whatever claims the ‘other side’ makes must be rejected on that basis alone. It a very toxic version of the “Not Invented Here” phenomenon.

I’m not going to get into this too much, but there may be some big holes in this article. One in particular. No matter what this guy thinks about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, he would be well to remember that many times it is the community and the families that ask both of them to come and help.

Also, much if it is just a bandage of conservative cliches trying to cover a wound that needs stitches. Much of it can be turned back onto some of the conservatives too. I guess he doesn’t find the rhetoric of Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck to be as disgusting as he apparently sees Jackson and Sharpton.

Basic recommendation to the author. Look in the mirror. And before you do, take off the blindfold.

193 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:04:33am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Please read Mr. Cooke’s piece. Its not a cure-all, but it will make clear that he at least does understand what the Ferguson matter is all about. And ultimately, his condemnation of conflation and distraction can be boiled down to this (in my own words):

You cannot use examples of violent and unlawful conduct to excuse other violent and unlawful conduct, especially when it is committed by a police officer. When wrongs are committed, conservatives should deal with them honestly.

I really don’t think he does understand what it’s all about when he whines that that parts of the media are claiming that the police shoot black teens with joy. To me, that distracts from the larger picture is that police with trigger happy mentalities are a problem and that more than anything is what causes the mistrust of the police in many communities. And honestly, I think many conservatives will never get your point that violent and unlawful conduct doesn’t excuse it when committed by a cop. Too many conservatives are willing to cheer Clive Bundy and his goons actually threatening federal law enforcement but go out of their way to look for justification for shooting unarmed blacks. And the first comment I think illustrates how I feel about the readership of that magazine. I don’t condone the looting but I have a bigger problem with the tendency of many in your ideological community to dehumanize. These people aren’t animals.

194 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 5:04:47am

Yep just got a meeting cancellation notice.

Well I’m here already.

195 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:07:50am

re: #192 ObserverArt

I’m not going to get into this too much, but there may be some big holes in this article. One in particular. No matter what this guy thinks about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, he would be well to remember that many times it is the community and the families that ask both of them to come and help.

Also, much if it is just a bandage of conservative cliches trying to cover a wound that needs stitches. Much of it can be turned back onto some of the conservatives too. I guess he doesn’t find the rhetoric of Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck to be as disgusting as he apparently sees Jackson and Sharpton.

Basic recommendation to the author. Look in the mirror. And before you do, take off the blindfold.

It really is unfortunately standard procedure to go but but Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in times like this. I’m no big admirer of either man but you’re right Art, the rhetoric of Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck is disgusting and very nary are they ever called out by their fellow conservatives in name for fermenting racial and cultural hostilities and absolutely some consideration to the community of Ferguson and especially Mike’s family would be nice too.

196 ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2014 5:08:06am

re: #191 Pie-onist Overlord

Welp.

My son drove in from Toronto yesterday afternoon with his younger kids (all the older ones are in camp). He had to wait for over an hour at the Sarnia/Port Huron border crossing, who knows why. Then he came over and we all enjoyed dinner.

Then he said he had to leave because he needed to get to Chicago where his oldest daughter is a counselor at some day camp. So they left.

They got turned back when two major freeways were flooded out, I begged them to spend the night here but they pressed on, went all the way to Lansing before they could get on a road that would take them to the I-94. So I hope they are in Chicago now.

Anyway I thought it would be all cleared up this morning, but the freeway was still shut down. I could have turned around and worked from home, but I stayed on the surface roads, I have meetings today.

I’ll bet the meetings get cancelled because everyone else stayed home.

Wow. I just saw some of the Detroit area flooding on the news. That was some major rain your area got yesterday. We had some big downpours here in Columbus, but we were lucky they were all short in duration then and moved on. If they had been sustained it might have been similar outcomes.

197 Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2014 5:09:12am

And I’m off to work. Have a good day, all.

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 5:11:45am

Bryan says all sex is wrong.

199 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:14:27am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

Bryan says all sex is wrong.

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You know Bryan, you stay out of what consenting adults do that has no direct involvement with you and I’ll agree that the IRS should stay away from your church. How bout that pal? Oh wait, you’re a theocrat who whines about the government but yet wants them to be the Sex Police. Really, the guy is a bigger loon than Pat Robertson. It just boggles the mind to think about that.

200 A Mom Anon  Aug 12, 2014 5:17:26am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

And that is probably about half his problem right there. I can’t even imagine the enduring clusterfuck of living with someone like that man. It cannot be at all joyful.

Be careful in the flooding and storms lady.

201 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:21:36am

re: #200 A Mom Anon

And that is probably about half his problem right there. I can’t even imagine the enduring clusterfuck of living with someone like that man. It cannot be at all joyful.

Be careful in the flooding and storms lady.

You know, he’s probably a real joy at parties. He probably finds party hats sinful.

202 A Mom Anon  Aug 12, 2014 5:24:21am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

And those little noisemakers that roll in and out are probably just SATAN! trying to tempt us. God deliver us from assholes. Please.

And with that I gotta go walk the dog before it rains and get ready to go to the hospital in couple of hours. I really hope after all this is over I don’t have to see any more of a hospital for a very long time except driving by one on the way to someplace else.

203 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 5:24:34am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

It really is unfortunately standard procedure to go but but Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in times like this. I’m no big admirer of either man but you’re right Art, the rhetoric of Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck is disgusting and very nary are they ever called out by their fellow conservatives in name for fermenting racial and cultural hostilities and absolutely some consideration to the community of Ferguson and especially Mike’s family would be nice too.

I don’t know how I feel about either. I’m white. My “children” aren’t routinely stopped for no reason, killed for no reason, treated by police, whom I might add, I always learned to look at as being safe and helpful, as if they’re mongrel dogs who shouldn’t be on the streets. Sharpton and Jackson provide a voice to people who often have none.

I’d have to walk a mile in the shoes of those living in Ferguson (and elsewhere) before making a determination on either.

204 Jayleia  Aug 12, 2014 5:25:53am

re: #200 A Mom Anon

I can’t imagine how hard it must be to have his brain.

I mean, I’m fucked up in the head…but I’m not Bryan Fischer.

205 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:26:46am

re: #203 Joanne

I don’t know how I feel about either. I’m white. My “children” aren’t routinely stopped for no reason, killed for no reason, treated by police, whom I might add, I always learned to look at as being safe and helpful, as if they’re mongrel dogs who shouldn’t be on the streets. Sharpton and Jackson provide a voice to people who often have none.

I’d have to walk a mile in the shoes of those living in Ferguson (and elsewhere) before making a determination on either.

That’s a great point.

206 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 5:28:01am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

Bryan says all sex is wrong.

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Well that’ll bring new blood to the church. And they wonder why people don’t want religion in their lives; why more and more people say they’re agnostic or atheists.

The human condition. How does that work?

207 ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2014 5:28:56am

I happen to think that Bryan Fischer may be as big a fake as many preacher types turn out to be. It is easy to get behind a mic and in front of a camera and do the sermonizing. Does anyone really know the man behind what we see? It may surprise you. It wouldn’t surprise me.

Sorry for being cynical. I just have learned not to trust some of the actors that spout his brand of crazy.

208 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 5:29:04am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

You know, he’s probably a real joy at parties. He probably finds party hats sinful.

I’m thinking anything that makes a normal person smile he finds sinful.

209 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:32:31am

re: #207 ObserverArt

I happen to think that Bryan Fischer may be as big a fake as many preacher types turn out to be. It is easy to get behind a mic and in front of a camera and do the sermonizing. Does anyone really know the man behind what we see? It may surprise you. It wouldn’t surprise me.

Sorry for being cynical. I just have learned not to trust some of the actors that spout his brand of crazy.

Ah, you’re not being cynical. In fact, I’d be shocked if Bryan lived a normal life. I think either he’s deeply in the closet or has no real joy in life. I know I read a profile of him where it said that he had issues with his father since I believe his father was one of these pacifist Baptist types that was a conscientious objector or something like that during WWII.

210 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 5:32:42am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

That’s still an incredibly shitty article. It starts out shitty and continues being shitty. That it is less shitty than the explicit white supremacism elsewhere in NRO is not good enough.

Ways the article is shitty:

1. Presents the context of Brown being shot as possibly in the context of a struggle over a gun. Brown was shot while unarmed and away from the car, not struggling.

2. Saying that the reaction of residents was to riot. The reaction of residents was to protest, the police met them with intimidation, and later, some portion of the residents rioted. A large portion did not.

3. Talking about ‘the professional grievance industry’ as though the black community doesn’t have legitimate grievances.

4. Talking about the fact that young black men die at the hands of the police at a far higher rate than is conscionable or reasonable as some sort of conspiracy theory.

I agree with you that this article is about the best that conservatives can manage right now, but it is still chock-o-block with idiocy and racism.

211 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:33:26am

re: #208 Joanne

I’m thinking anything that makes a normal person smile he finds sinful.

He just reads like those radical Muslim clerics that take issue with simple every-day pleasures like music. I really see no difference in his way of looking at the world than theirs.

212 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 5:35:31am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

He just reads like those radical Muslim clerics that take issue with simple every-day pleasures like music. I really see no difference in his way of looking at the world than theirs.

There is no difference at all. Except he sees his religion as being the correct one. Oh wait. There is no difference at all.

213 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:36:44am

re: #212 Joanne

There is no difference at all. Except he sees his religion as being the correct one. Oh wait. There is no difference at all.

Nah the difference is a can of Barbasol and a Gillette.

214 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:38:44am

Fischer pretty much paints what modern conservatism is in all of its weird ideological mumbo-jumbo. A man who finds fault with the government’s resources being used to help people i.e. food stamps, the ACA legislation, etc but a man who wants to use the government’s resources to criminalize what you and I do behind closed doors.

215 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 5:43:38am
216 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 5:51:08am

re: #215 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Never did see that movie but it gets me thinking. Williams not only was a great comic but he could do serious roles as well. I recall him in One Hour Photo and Insomniac where he played two psychotic characters very well and then I think it was either him or Chevy Chase that played an actor based off of Mel Gibson in a Law and Order SVU episode. He had a lot of talent but it seems reading from the tributes that he was an even greater person. A loving father, husband, and friend.

217 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 5:51:24am
218 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 5:54:45am

I’m still choked up about Robin Williams. What an enormous talent. He touched so many people with his performance, and now I keep hearing what a kind, generous loving human being he was.

219 Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2014 5:56:24am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Never did see that movie but it gets me thinking. Williams not only was a great comic but he could do serious roles as well. I recall him in One Hour Photo and Insomniac where he played two psychotic characters very well and then I think it was either him or Chevy Chase that played an actor based off of Mel Gibson in a Law and Order SVU episode. He had a lot of talent but it seems reading from the tributes that he was an even greater person. A loving father, husband, and friend.

I never saw Insomniac but his performance in One Hour Photo was masterfully understated. Though Sy Parrish is a deeply disturbed character, Williams brought great pathos to the role and in the hands of a lesser actor, I imagine the character would perhaps have not been so three-dimensional.

220 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 12, 2014 6:00:51am

RIP Robin Williams

He was two years younger than I am. The world as I knew it is disappearing under my feet.

221 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:01:20am

I see that law enforcement is aggressively dealing with the thuggish mobs who are blocking the buses carrying immigrant children. Oh wait…..

222 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:01:42am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I still remember reading Dan Riehl or whatever that guy’s name is fantasizing about a group of black people on D.C’s Green line giving him and Tea Partiers are a hard time and them fighting them.

223 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:02:53am

I’m glad law enforcement is reigning in the gun-toting Clive Bundy inspired thugs on federal land. Oh wait….

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 6:02:59am

re: #191 Pie-onist Overlord

Yep..that’s a LOT of rain.

225 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:03:29am

re: #222 Lidane

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HAhahaaha. But yeah he was fantasizing about beating up hostile black people on the Green line. It was a weird read for sure as a frequent rider of DC Metro.

226 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 6:04:17am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Never did see that movie but it gets me thinking. Williams not only was a great comic but he could do serious roles as well. I recall him in One Hour Photo and Insomniac where he played two psychotic characters very well and then I think it was either him or Chevy Chase that played an actor based off of Mel Gibson in a Law and Order SVU episode. He had a lot of talent but it seems reading from the tributes that he was an even greater person. A loving father, husband, and friend.

Definitely see Good Will Hunting. I can’t imagine the movie without him.

227 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:05:34am

re: #226 Franklin Brewsevelt

Definitely see Good Will Hunting. I can’t imagine the movie without him.

Will do- pun unintended.

228 Frenchy  Aug 12, 2014 6:05:39am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I actually preferred him in serious roles. He really was a great actor. As a comic, he was a little too frenetic and all-over-the-place for my taste, I found it more annoying than funny. I realize that I’m in a small minority there. No doubt we have lost a very talented and beloved person, and far too soon.

229 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:06:15am
Men armed with nothing but phonesguns ordered to get on their knees. I witnessed tear gas thrown at them in NEV#ferguson pic.twitter.com
— Liz Peinado (@LizPeinadoSTL) August 12, 2014

Officials finally cracking down on Bundy thugs trying to intimidate law enforcement. /

230 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 6:06:58am

Wow. I mean. Wow.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 6:07:15am

WATCH: Cops aim weapon at local official, lock media out as Ferguson protests continue

Video filmed by a St. Louis alderman shows police aiming a weapon at him while responding to the latest round of demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri.
Alderman Antonio French posted the footage Monday night, following another protest criticizing police for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Michael Brown. The video shows French being approached by officers in riot gear inside a parking lot. One officer has his firearm drawn toward French while another says, “Get the f*ck out of here” and motions away from the parking lot. It is not clear whether French identified himself as a city official during the encounter in the St. Louis suburb.

232 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:08:40am
Officers stand in a mist of tear gas. Protected by masks. #Ferguson #Murrieta pic.twitter.com
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 12, 2014

War on White People.

//

233 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:08:40am

My first Williams movie and I guess I am showing my youth here was Mrs. Doubtfire. A really silly movie on its surface but at its core about a father’s love for his children and being willing to do whatever to be with them. I read much later that Robin and also Sally Field insisted that the parents not get back together at the film’s end so they wouldn’t give false hope to real children of divorce. In some ways, the relationship between my parents was a little like Robin and Sally’s characters in that movie. My dad, the more laid-back “cool parent” (though Dad never dressed as a woman and my parents are still married to this day) and my Mom the more “professional, willing to play bad guy type.” Robin was a great guy. Like Phlilip Seymour Hoffman and James Garner, a trip to the movies isn’t going to be the same without him.

234 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 12, 2014 6:09:34am

re: #229 Bulworth

Officials finally cracking down on Bundy thugs trying to intimidate law enforcement. /

In Soviet Missouri, thugs ARE law enforcement.

235 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:10:19am

re: #228 Frenchy

I actually preferred him in serious roles. He really was a great actor. As a comic, he was a little too frenetic and all-over-the-place for my taste, I found it more annoying than funny. I realize that I’m in a small minority there. No doubt we have lost a very talented and beloved person, and far too soon.

I actually did too. Very underrated as a dramatic actor though I have to say, The Birdcage is a favorite of mine then again Nathan Lane is the more frenetic and over the top type than that while Robin is heh weirdly enough given the role and plot the “Straight Man” though plenty funny on his own. And that movie again like Mrs. Doubtfire is a lot about a father’s love for his children.

236 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:11:04am

re:
#228

Nah, I felt the same way. Insomnia was a great flick. In addition to Dead Poets, Good Will Hunting, etc.

On the dark comic side, Death to Smoochy was much under-appreciated film.

237 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:11:38am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Please read Mr. Cooke’s piece. Its not a cure-all, but it will make clear that he at least does understand what the Ferguson matter is all about.

Bullshit. In the very first paragraph he pulls out all the usual wingnut deflections:

Incensed residents have taken to rioting, to sacking private businesses that had nothing whatsoever to do with the incident, and, in some cases, to burning them to the ground. Like clockwork, the professional grievance industry has announced its intention to descend vaingloriously upon the scene. And, in some quarters of the media, pundits have begun to pretend that America’s cops are routinely gunning down unarmed young black men for their own pleasure.

Deflect deflect deflect. From the start he turns it into something that black people and whiny libruls are blowing out of proportion and turning into a circus.

Fuck him and fuck the NRO. They can take their racist bullshit and shove it up their asses.

238 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:11:56am

re: #236 Bulworth

re:
#228

Nah, I felt the same way. Insomnia was a great flick. In addition to Dead Poets, Good Will Hunting, etc.

On the dark comic side, Death to Smoochy was much under-appreciated film.

Oh man I completely forgot about Death to Smoochy. Definitely under-appreciated. Loved Ed Norton in that too.

239 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 6:12:06am

Dan (Qualye) what do you think of Roe v. Wade? A: I prefer to float. /Robin Williams on the final Johnny Carson show.

Youtube Video

Watching Johnny and Robin riff off each other is still such a joy. I’m still stunned Robin’s gone, but take comfort in knowing that many of his best performances are available and bring joy to so many.

240 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:13:53am

re: #237 Lidane

Bullshit. In the very first paragraph he pulls out all the usual wingnut deflections:

Exactly. Sure, this piece isn’t John Derbyshire esopusing white nationalist rhetoric, but it’s still par the course for NRO to try to change the narrative from what it should be about to whining about black people and white liberals for pointing out the real problems that do exist. NRO can go to hell for all I care. I won’t shed a tear if they ever go out of business.

241 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 6:15:20am

re: #228 Frenchy

Honestly the only Robin Williams movies I liked were Good Will Hunting and The Birdcage, in both cases dramatic roles with a little humor added in there.

He always had good awareness of the ridiculousness of Hollywood and fame and the rest of that. I always appreciated that.

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 6:15:47am

re: #234 Shiplord Kirel

In Soviet Missouri, thugs ARE law enforcement.

That’s too true to be funny …. It needs to be tweeted & retweeted everywhere.

243 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 6:17:07am

Also:

This is why, white dudebros, black people never really gave a shit about your NSA-fear-wanking.

244 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 6:17:22am

Robin Williams was the first actor/comedian that I really liked (along with George Carlin). Aside from Disney movies growing up, “Good Morning, Vietnam” was the first movie I watched multiple times. I mean, I was addicted to it! I haven’t seen the movie in 15 years but if I put it on tonight I would bug the shit out of my wife by reciting every line.

245 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:17:29am

re: #241 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Good Will Hunting is my favorite film of his because I just love the movie overall. The script, the acting, the way it was shot, etc. Love it.

I’m also a huge fan of Good Morning Vietnam because he ad-libbed every single broadcast from start to finish. The reactions from the other actors are real. Williams was a master at improv. No one else that I can think of comes close.

246 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:18:19am

re: #245 Lidane

Good Will Hunting is my favorite film of his because I just love the movie overall. The script, the acting, the way it was shot, etc. Love it.

I’m also a huge fan of Good Morning Vietnam because he ad-libbed every single broadcast from start to finish. The reactions from the other actors are real. Williams was a master at improv. No one else that I can think of comes close.

I always thought that was a true gift. A good improv actor can make an average film good or even great.

247 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 6:19:43am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I always thought that was a true gift. A good improv actor can make an average film good or even great.

Yep, writers and directors can’t think of everything. Having a talented actor/actress that can insert the right lines because they truly know the character is important.

248 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 6:19:49am

The more I watch events going down in Ferguson, the more we see institutional racism alive and well. Just miles from the Old Courthouse in St. Louis no less. The police take a heavy handed response to what had been peaceful protests by the black community grieving for the loss of one of their brightest lights and hopes for the future at the hands of law enforcement, all while law enforcement half the country away have taken a hands off approach to a bunch of violent white thugs who claim to not recognize the US government or sovereignty and who are stealing from taxpayers every single day.

But it’s much more than just comparing Brown to Bundy.

It’s law enforcement’s heavy handed approach to policing in minority communities, the high incarceration rate for minorities, the longstanding unequal treatment of crack versus cocaine offenses and low level drug offenses that meant that more and more blacks were put behind bars.

It’s the ongoing efforts by the GOP to limit voting in black and minority communities by using voter ID to limit and restrict access to polls.

It’s an effort to revise history to gloss over the segregationist and racist history of southern whites who are resurgent within the GOP.

It’s all enough to make someone want to crawl into a corner and wish for the nightmare to end. Except for those living through this, there’s no waking up to rainbows and unicorns. The reality is that the police are continuing to be heavy handed in Ferguson and yet another black man (Brown) is dead at the hands of a law enforcement officer.

249 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 6:20:40am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Sure, this piece isn’t John Derbyshire esopusing white nationalist rhetoric, but it’s still par the course for NRO to try to change the narrative from what it should be about to whining about black people and white liberals for pointing out the real problems that do exist. NRO can go to hell for all I care. I won’t shed a tear if they ever go out of business.

They’ll never go out of business. They’re there for the Stormfront Lite crowd. Those who are believers but prefer to couch those beliefs with some level of plausible deniability (Who me? Racist? No way.)

250 ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2014 6:24:49am

re: #243 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also:

This is why, white dudebros, black people never really gave a shit about your NSA-fear-wanking.

Damn good point to make Obdi.

251 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:25:09am

re: #249 Joanne

They’ll never go out of business. They’re there for the Stormfront Lite crowd. Those who are believers but prefer to couch those beliefs with some level of plausible deniability (Who me? Racist? No way.)

It’s the magazine for respectable racists, just like how the Council of Conservative Citizens was the Klan for businessmen who didn’t want to wear white robes.

252 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 6:29:52am

The world has turned upside down. There is a Freeper with a working mind and sharp tongue.

From a thread on Israel giving gay spouses the right of return:


Ten million rockets raining down from Gaza every day couldn’t do the damage to Israel that Israel does to itself with this kind of nihilistic sh!t.
Tue 12 Aug 2014 06:24:05 AM CDT by Alberta’s Child

To: Alberta’s Child
Yep, not a day goes by that a gay couple doesn’t explode, killing dozens.
Tue 12 Aug 2014 06:37:34 AM CDT by Wolfie

253 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:29:53am

More of this please:

Exclusive: Obama Told Lawmakers Criticism of His Syria Policy is ‘Horsesh*t’

Just before the congressional recess, President Obama invited over a dozen Senate and House leaders from both parties to the White House to talk about foreign policy. According to two lawmakers inside the meeting, Obama became visibly agitated when confronted by bipartisan criticism of the White House’s policy of slow-rolling moderate Syrian rebels’ repeated requests for arms to fight the Assad regime and ISIS.

According to one of the lawmakers, Sen. Bob Corker asked the president a long question that included sharp criticisms of President Obama’s handling of a number of foreign policy issues—including Syria, ISIS, Russia, and Ukraine. Obama answered Corker at length. Then, the president defended his administration’s actions on Syria, saying that the notion that many have put forth regarding arming the rebels earlier would have led to better outcomes in Syria was “horseshit.”

254 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:30:40am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

They’ll be banned in short order. JimRob doesn’t want anything to upset the hive mind.

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 6:38:05am
256 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:43:19am

re: #251 Lidane

It’s the magazine for respectable racists, just like how the Council of Conservative Citizens was the Klan for businessmen who didn’t want to wear white robes.

Yep. Totally agree with this.

257 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 6:45:26am
258 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:46:32am

Speaking of NRO, I have to say I’ve never been much on the attempts to make WFB out to be respectable. He still was a McCarthy apologist, supporter of Jim Crow, and honestly seems to have only really turned on the Birchers not out of real principle or disgust but more closer because he felt they were making the conservative movement look bad and kooky which it was and still is.

259 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:49:06am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Which National Park is that? I saw a beautiful John Muir quote the other day. Something like I’d rather be in the mountains thinking about God then in church thinking about the Mountains. I guess that’s why even though I’m not a religious person that I don’t get these religious right wing types who don’t value nature. If you believe God created the earth, shouldn’t you believe in not only wanting a safe and healthy planet for us to live on but also your descendants? But I digress. So much beauty in nature.

260 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 6:51:11am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Which National Park is that? I saw a beautiful John Muir quote the other day. Something like I’d rather be in the mountains thinking about God then in church thinking about the Mountains. I guess that’s why even though I’m not a religious person that I don’t get these religious right wing types who don’t value nature. If you believe God created the earth, shouldn’t you believe in not only wanting a safe and healthy planet for us to live on but also your descendants? But I digress. So much beauty in nature.

Glacier National Park in Montana.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 6:51:16am

WHY WHITE PEOPLE HOARD GUNS==>

262 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 6:51:24am

re: #175 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s worse then I have supposed. Aside from numerous online images posted by the SNA (the Social-National Assembly, the parent organisation of the Azov battalion) being just slightly photoshopped versions of the classic Nazi posters (1 - 2, 3 - 4), aside from the fact that they indeed see their inverted Wolfsnagel rune as a version of swastika (last photo here), Andriy Biletsky actually personally congratulated the Russian neo-Nazi terrorist Nikolay Korolyov on his birthday. Korolyov serves a life sentence for dozens of murders of non-Russians, including the terror bombing of Cherkizovsky market, in which 14 were killed.

(some reserve copies: peeep.us peeep.us )

263 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 6:52:47am

Robin Williams gave much more of his time & support to veterans than these asshats could ever dream of==>

264 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:53:26am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

Glacier National Park in Montana.

Ah, thanks. Showed that in the Fargo series on FX.

265 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:55:04am

re:
#263

Stay classy, wingnuts

266 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:55:34am

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

Robin Williams gave much more of his time & support to veterans than these asshats could ever dream of==>

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Yeah, that’s really not fair at all. I agree with them that it’s something that deserves more coverage but as always I resent that someone is being dragged through the mud to make that point especially someone like Williams who as you say did a lot for not only veterans but the active duty troops too.

267 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 6:57:09am

Editorial - “Remembrance”
August 11, 2014

…

It seems that some young people think that “Good Will Hunting” built the park for a movie prop and left it behind for the community.

Just to set the record straight, Matt, Ben, Robin and the whole Good Will Hunting franchise gave nothing to the community. A bar or two might have benefited, but the only thing the community received was the national perception that Will Hunting was a rare, intelligent freak and everybody else in town was a dope or on dope.

…

Remember acting and actors are the profession of fantasy. It’s not real. A cynical person might describe actors as entertaining liars. Matt Damon didn’t build our park. Our own friends and neighbors did.

268 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 6:57:53am

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

It must really piss #tcot off to see the tweets from the USO and the military and all the charities that Robin Williams supported mourning his passing. They have an image of what liberals are and nothing will deviate from that.

269 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 6:57:57am

re:
#263

Are the Confederate flag-waivers trying to lecture us on patriotism and heroicism again?

270 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 6:58:10am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s really not fair at all. I agree with them that it’s something that deserves more coverage but as always I resent that someone is being dragged through the mud to make that point especially someone like Williams who as you say did a lot for not only veterans but the active duty troops too.

It’s like the their talking point to shut down any discussion about minimum wage:
HURR HURR ARE BRAVE SOLIDERS IS MAKING MINIMUM WAGE SO WHY U WANT MOAR JUST TO PUT A PICKEL ON A BURGER!!!!!!

Meanwhile they don’t have an actual shit to give about veterans, they are just talking points.

271 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:59:14am

re: #270 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s like the their talking point to shut down any discussion about minimum wage:
HURR HURR ARE BRAVE SOLIDERS IS MAKING MINIMUM WAGE SO WHY U WANT MOAR JUST TO PUT A PICKEL ON A BURGER!!!!!!

Meanwhile they don’t have an actual shit to give about veterans, they are just talking points.

Well they ignore that some of those people making minimum wage flipping burgers are veterans themselves. Those people they mock on welfare. Some of them are also vets. And the homeless? Don’t get me started. But yeah it’s nothing but lip service.

272 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 6:59:42am

re: #269 Bulworth

re:
#263

Are the Confederate flag-waivers trying to lecture us on patriotism and heroicism again?

Yes, yes they are.

273 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:00:26am

Interesting.

274 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:00:56am

re: #268 Lidane

It must really piss #tcot off to see the tweets from the USO and the military and all the charities that Robin Williams supported mourning his passing. They have an image of what liberals are and nothing will deviate from that.

They’re always amazed to find out that there are liberal veterans of the armed forces because you know we hate our country and would never ever be wiling to risk our lives for it. Only conservatives can love their country.

275 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:03:09am

re: #265 Bulworth

Stay classy, wingnuts

Nevah!

276 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:04:47am

re: #268 Lidane

It must really piss #tcot off to see the tweets from the USO and the military and all the charities that Robin Williams supported mourning his passing. They have an image of what liberals are and nothing will deviate from that.

If they read anything that won’t confirm their own ideas.

277 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:06:01am

re: #276 Joanne

If they read anything that won’t confirm their own ideas.

They are of course I see also per VB’s tweets about Ferguson using it as an excuse to do more gun hoarding. Tired of gun fuckers.

278 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 7:07:35am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

They’re always amazed to find out that there are liberal veterans of the armed forces because you know we hate our country and would never ever be wiling to risk our lives for it. Only conservatives can love their country.

Never mind that every chicken hawk I’ve ever met is a so-called conservative.

Can I give my US Army damaged knees and back to one of these confederate pretend patriots?

279 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:08:02am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

They are of course I see also per VB’s tweets about Ferguson using it as an excuse to do more gun hoarding. Tired of gun fuckers.

It’s but the excuse du jour. There’s always a reason for moar gunz. Same objective different day.

280 darthstar  Aug 12, 2014 7:08:24am
281 GunstarGreen  Aug 12, 2014 7:08:31am

What is happening in Missouri is this: A bunch of (mainly white) cops using their guns to menace a bunch of unarmed black people, in a nation that keeps claiming that it is “post-racial”.

Meanwhile, a bunch of white guys under Cliven Bundy actually do have weapons — loaded and ready guns, in point of fact — pointed at law enforcement and what happens to them?

Absolutely nothing.

282 Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2014 7:09:21am

re: #281 GunstarGreen

What is happening in Missouri is this: A bunch of (mainly white) cops using their guns to menace a bunch of unarmed black people, in a nation that keeps claiming that it is “post-racial”.

Meanwhile, a bunch of white guys under Cliven Bundy actually do have weapons — loaded and ready guns, in point of fact — pointed at law enforcement and what happens to them?

Absolutely nothing.

The former are “troublemakers” and “thugs,” the latter are “patriots” and “Real ‘Murikans!”

283 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:10:07am

re: #279 Joanne

It’s but the excuse du jour. There’s always a reason for moar gunz. Same objective different day.

Yep. No kidding. Just needed a new excuse. Today it’s Ferguson. Tomorrow it’s hopefully a Democratic majority in the House. They’re hoarders.

284 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 7:10:46am

re: #282 Targetpractice

The former are “troublemakers” and “thugs,” the latter are “patriots” and “Real ‘Murikans!”

Just imagine how the militias and the RWNJs would have reacted if Cliven Bundy had been anything other than a white man.

285 darthstar  Aug 12, 2014 7:10:54am

Lots of people are now complaining that Obama hasn’t given one of his healing moments speeches yet wrt Ferguson. While they’re great for most of America, the people who squawk the loudest one the speech for one reason - to help galvanize their base and reason away the death of another unarmed black kid.

286 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 7:11:25am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Here’s an NRO piece I think folks here will like better, and its actually about the Ferguson shooting and subsequent protests:

The Right’s Wrong Reaction to the Missouri Shooting

By Charles C. W. Cooke

Unfortunately, a number of the comments continue with the conflation, and in a couple of cases the reason is clear: Those commentators see conceding any point to ‘the left’ as surrender and believe that whatever claims the ‘other side’ makes must be rejected on that basis alone. It a very toxic version of the “Not Invented Here” phenomenon.

The Right’s reaction seems to be to present the shooting as an isolated police incident while presenting the rioting as symptomatic of the black community

287 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:11:34am

re: #278 William Barnett-Lewis

Never mind that every chicken hawk I’ve ever met is a so-called conservative.

Can I give my US Army damaged knees and back to one of these confederate pretend patriots?

What I imagine upsets you and others veterans, I know it upset my Korean War vet grandfather was how the Chickenhawks made war out to be no big deal and have no real empathy what the average military member goes through and then want to cut benefits as soon as they can. Loves them a war but not a lot of love for the people who do it for them.

288 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:11:57am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Right’s reaction semms to be to present the shooting as an isolated police incident while presenting the rioting as symptomatic of the black community

Which is par the course for a shit rag like NRO.

289 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:12:45am

re: #281 GunstarGreen

What I found most striking (profound even) was the hashtag ” #IfTheyGunnedMeDown what picture would they use” It literally made me cry.

290 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:12:54am

re: #284 Lidane

Just imagine how the militias and the RWNJs would have reacted if Cliven Bundy had been anything other than a white man.

If Cliven Bundy had been a black man, I have no doubt that the same RWNJs who defend him and treat him like a hero would be complaining that Obama did not send the military in after him and his.

291 ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2014 7:12:57am

re: #278 William Barnett-Lewis

Never mind that every chicken hawk I’ve ever met is a so-called conservative.

Can I give my US Army damaged knees and back to one of these confederate pretend patriots?

Conserving their own asses.

292 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 7:12:58am

re: #285 darthstar

293 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:13:54am

re: #284 Lidane

Just imagine how the militias and the RWNJs would have reacted if Cliven Bundy had been anything other than a white man.

It’d be what we’re seeing in Ferguson. Full stop.

294 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 7:14:28am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Right’s reaction semms to be to present the shooting as an isolated police incident while presenting the rioting as symptomatic of the black community

Because that’s exactly what Cooke is doing. He’s downplaying Mike Brown’s murder, focusing on the riots, and then blaming all the attention on Ferguson on “the professional grievance industry” and on whiny libruls and the evil media who are only imagining institutional racism by the Ferguson PD towards the black residents there.

It’s the typical conservative deflection. There aren’t any problems in America. Everything’s peachy keen. It’s just a bunch of whiny libruls and professional agitators causing problems and blowing everything out of proportion.

295 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 7:14:59am

And if the President made a statement implicating the law enforcement, the right wing would go nuts complaining he’s interfering in due process and the investigation (presumption of innocence by the cop, etc.).

All while ignoring that according to witnesses, Brown did nothing to warrant being shot to death.

296 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 7:17:10am

re: #289 Joanne

Depends on who “they” are. There is no question about what picture the conservatives would use. With the mainstream media it depends on which picture they get first. E.g. they got Trayvon Martin’s “little kid” photo from his parents early on and ran with it.

297 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 7:17:24am

In some ways I cannot accept that Robin Williams is gone. I understand the gravity of it intellectually but I, like most people, refuse to come to terms in a primal way with the nature of it even coming from a place where it is often ‘the person you least expect’. I expect I’ll grieve for Sir David, when that great man passes, but I’m truly overwhelmed by the feeling of not expecting how I’d feel for Mr. Williams.
The sheer body of his work is what gets to me, because I often found his approach to whatever he produced either hit or miss. It’s what hit me that makes me grieve now. The genie MADE Alladin when I was a child and when I was older, Sy clued me into the darker sides of the human soul.
Every episode of Parkinson he was a guest in would have at least two other celebs of at least equal standing and he would totally hijack those episodes and for that reason they were always the most enjoyable.

I loved the man and I didn’t realise how much until today.

298 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 7:17:25am

Clearly we are ignoring the REAL problem in America — Archie Comics.

*headdesk*

299 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:18:07am

re: #295 lawhawk

And if the President made a statement implicating the law enforcement, the right wing would go nuts complaining he’s interfering in due process and the investigation (presumption of innocence by the cop, etc.).

All while ignoring that according to witnesses, Brown did nothing to warrant being shot to death.

I was on Mediaite earlier. The RWNJs there already have Brown as a convicted criminal who was well known to police. Oh and Gubament Handouts, Food Stamps and Obamaphones! FTW!

300 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:19:34am

re: #296 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Depends on who “they” are. There is no question about what picture the conservatives would use. With the mainstream media it depends on which picture they get first. E.g. they got Trayvon Martin’s “little kid” photo from his parents early on and ran with it.

Not sure how true this article (linked) is, but…

301 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:19:53am

Really Cooke’s article looking at more wide awake and some nutrients in my morning body, it’s just as bad as the Williamson piece in its own way. It’s your typical conservative piece that tries to go “Now conservatives, don’t be like the left because this is really them acting out.” Not a word for Mike Brown’s family and what they may be going through. Not a word of how people in African-American communities understandably have a mistrust of the police due to the many times the police have gotten off scot-free shooting an unarmed black man. Nope just whine about the same media that he is a part of. NRO’s problem really as a magazine is that it’s tailored to conservative whites who never stop to think about what it may be like not to be a white person of some affluence. And that’s been their model for years. It was in the Buckley day when Buckley defended McCarthy ruining people’s lives for alleged Communist associations(which btw should not be a crime in a democratic society) or his support for Jim Crow and it is now in the day of Cooke and Williamson. NRO is a rag. It’s as Lidane put it nicely a magazine much like the White Citzens Councils were for those who didn’t like klan hoods, a magazine for those who see themselves as “intellectuals” but who are really the same old racist crap we’ve heard for years.

302 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 7:20:36am

OFFS.

Fox News used bogus Mrs. Doubtfire footage in the Greta piece on Robin Williams passing. How idiotic do they have to be to not be able to do a basic search to find the original content.

The kicker? Mrs. Doubtfire was produced by 20th Century Fox.

303 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 7:22:07am

re: #300 Joanne

You’re not sure if an article from a satirical news site is satire?

304 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:22:23am

re: #298 Lidane

Clearly we are ignoring the REAL problem in America — Archie Comics.

*headdesk*

They’re so blatantly out of touch. Really Archie? These idiots don’t get today’s kids. They have family and friends who they know are gay and they realize that fact shouldn’t be used to treat them like shit. Sorry if that hurts imbeciles like Wildmon’s sensibilities but it’s got nothing to with Archie or Will and Grace but instead genuine human decency- something that Mr. Wildmon lacks.

305 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:22:44am

re: #302 lawhawk

OFFS.

Fox News used bogus Mrs. Doubtfire footage in the Greta piece on Robin Williams passing. How idiotic do they have to be to not be able to do a basic search to find the original content.

The kicker? Mrs. Doubtfire was produced by 20th Century Fox.

I saw the article earlier but your kicker made me LOL.

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 7:23:17am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

You know Bryan, you stay out of what consenting adults do that has no direct involvement with you and I’ll agree that the IRS should stay away from your church. How bout that pal? Oh wait, you’re a theocrat who whines about the government but yet wants them to be the Sex Police. Really, the guy is a bigger loon than Pat Robertson. It just boggles the mind to think about that.

He’s cranky all the time because the Dream Police are in his head every night. And he doesn’t understand what it means.
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307 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:24:46am

re: #303 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You’re not sure if an article from a satirical news site is satire?

I’m not sure if what happened was true. Why would a family member give any picture to a supposed journo asking for the most ganged up photo they had? It made me go hmmm, hence my concerns of validity.

308 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:24:58am

But go with this, this is like when Sarah and Bristol Palin claimed it was Obama’s daughters watching Glee that made him declare in favor of SSM. I won’t deny that media has an impact on our thoughts but then again I would suggest maybe it’s not such a bad thing. People like Wildmon, Palin, and her hypocritical daughter would only be happy to see gays portrayed as sociopaths who need Jesus.

309 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:26:21am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

You are so on a roll this morning. Outstanding!

310 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 7:28:54am

re: #307 Joanne

I’m not sure if what happened was true. Why would a family member give any picture to a supposed journo asking for the most ganged up photo they had? It made me go hmmm, hence my concerns of validity.

Apparently you didn’t get it even after I explicitly wrote it for you, so let’s try with the bold font: this is a satire news site.

311 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 7:29:03am

Another reason for MOAR GUNZ, yo —

BarbWire Columnist: Obama Will Kill At Least 25 Million Americans

Today, the Russians and the Chinese-via the ObamaGov-have been entering our country in increasing numbers. Many of these are soldiers brought in by Obama for faux “joint training exercises” who have never left the country and others are still coming across our Southern border by the millions. And the 25,000,000 pegged for “elimination?” The number targeted for termination is probably much higher today. Besides, the ObamaGov and NWO will have to get rid of many more millions of us so that they can give our homes and possessions to the “new transformer illegals”…aka Obama voters and supporters. This is the stark reality of the situation, folks: It’s Racist to Not Die for Obama. Choose him or choose God. And remember…only one of the two gives us free will to make the choice. Guess which…

312 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:29:42am

re: #309 Joanne

You are so on a roll this morning. Outstanding!

Thanks. Got a good night’s rest last night so maybe that helps.

313 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 7:29:46am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

But go with this, this is like when Sarah and Bristol Palin claimed it was Obama’s daughters watching Glee that made him declare in favor of SSM. I won’t deny that media has an impact on our thoughts but then again I would suggest maybe it’s not such a bad thing. People like Wildmon, Palin, and her hypocritical daughter would only be happy to see gays portrayed as sociopaths who need Jesus.

If they don’t, the advertising industry has wasted a shit-ton of money over the last century. Get used to the idea that media is the seedbed for a large part of the country’s ‘thoughts’.

That’s much more obvious if you stay overseas for several years, and return to a 24/7 diet of ‘Cops’ and ‘Law and Order’.

314 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:30:46am

re: #303 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You’re not sure if an article from a satirical news site is satire?

I’m an idiot. Can I put a huge Nevermind on that?

315 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:31:28am

re: #310 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Apparently you didn’t get it even after I explicitly wrote it for you, so let’s try with the bold font: this is a satire news site.

No. I did not.

As said above…I’m an idiot.

316 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:31:44am

re: #311 Lidane

Another reason for MOAR GUNZ, yo —

BarbWire Columnist: Obama Will Kill At Least 25 Million Americans

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The only thing that surprises me about that is that it wasn’t Erik Rush. People like this really need to get committed. Really you think Obama’s going to kill 25 million Americans? Really? But remember folks conservatives are rational people and liberals are overly emotional. How do I know it? A conservative shouting Obama is the Anti-Christ told me so in between that diatribe and calling me a traitor for being a liberal.

317 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 7:33:13am

re: #311 Lidane

I thought he was gunning for two-thirds? Some genocidal maniac Obama turned out to be! Constantly revising his goals down… What happened to ‘Yes We Can’?!

318 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 7:33:40am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

If Cliven Bundy had been a black man, I have no doubt that the same RWNJs who defend him and treat him like a hero would be complaining that Obama did not send the military in after him and his.

319 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 7:33:58am

re: #315 Joanne

No. I did not.

As said above…I’m an idiot.

The difference is fading. Jon Stewart is a satirist, except when he’s not.

320 Mike Lamb  Aug 12, 2014 7:34:12am

re: #177 palomino

This is what passes for commentary on the intellectual right today. A black kid said mean racist things to the author, ergo not only is the state of Illinois doomed, but it’s all the fault of the governor. Yeah, that’s a really strong logical connection.

Kevin D. Williamson isn’t much different from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh in his blowhard right wing dog whistle style. Except he went to college and has no radio/TV skills, so he gets to write for National Review.

Sounds like the kid was a good judge of character.

321 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:34:23am

re: #313 Decatur Deb

If they don’t, the advertising industry has wasted a shit-ton of money over the last century. Get used to the idea that media is the seedbed for a large part of the country’s ‘thoughts’.

That’s much more obvious if you stay overseas for several years, and return to a 24/7 diet of ‘Cops’ and ‘Law and Order’.

Oh, I don’t deny its impact at all. I just think when it comes to how we view things. We’re defined on our interactions with real people especially at a young age. The anti-gay bigots are always like WHAT WILL I TELL MY KIDS. The kids are more like “Okay, so they’re two people of the same gender in love, that’s wonderful even if it’s different from you and Mommy.”

322 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:35:18am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Not that this is any king if excuse but there are too many crazy conservative elected officials espousing this shit. Bachmann and King come to mind first but there’s also Inhofe, Issa, Lee and a member of others.

They lend credence to the overt paranoia.

323 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:35:41am

re: #318 Pie-onist Overlord

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Of frigging course. Ignore the fact that Bundy’s goons were actually threatening people but ignore that this is people upset over a death. Typical right wing assholes.

324 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 7:37:23am

WHEREAS: The right-wingers vision is the EXACT SAME THING THEY IMAGINE “COMMUNISM” except with PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF EVERYTHING BY THE KOCHS & THE WALTONS & everybody else works for them in sweatshop conditions.

325 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:37:29am

re: #322 Joanne

Not that this is any king if excuse but there are too many crazy conservative elected officials espousing this shit. Bachmann and King come to mind first but there’s also Inhofe, Issa, Lee and a member of others.

They lend credence to the overt paranoia.

Right, and that’s the problem. Their elected officials who of course are still in office and as far away from an Obama gulag as you can get spread the paranoia.

326 Mike Lamb  Aug 12, 2014 7:37:45am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Please read Mr. Cooke’s piece. Its not a cure-all, but it will make clear that he at least does understand what the Ferguson matter is all about. And ultimately, his condemnation of conflation and distraction can be boiled down to this (in my own words):

You cannot use examples of violent and unlawful conduct to excuse other violent and unlawful conduct, especially when it is committed by a police officer. When wrongs are committed, conservatives should deal with them honestly.

Ya, he understands that he needs to take potshots at Sharpton and Jackson.

327 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:38:34am

re: #322 Joanne

Fricking iPhone can’t autocorrect for me to make me sound coherent. No, autocorrect only works to make me sound like a bigger doofus than I already am.

328 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:38:37am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

WHEREAS: The right-wingers vision is the EXACT SAME THING THEY IMAGINE “COMMUNISM” except with PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF EVERYTHING BY THE KOCHS & THE WALTONS & everybody else works for them in sweatshop conditions.

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Some form of assistance can range from anything from a senior getting SS, a veteran getting benefits, etc. These idiots again show they have no idea what actual communism is and why they’re clueless.

329 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 7:38:50am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

Communism also doesn’t eradicate private ownership, just private ownership of the means of production.

330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 7:41:50am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Some form of assistance can range from anything from a senior getting SS, a veteran getting benefits, etc. These idiots again show they have no idea what actual communism is and why they’re clueless.

Or a full-time employee getting food stamps because his employer will not pay anything above minimum wage

331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 7:42:30am

re: #329 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Communism also doesn’t eradicate private ownership, just private ownership of the means of production.

these fuckers have no idea of communism except as anything to the left of full on unregulated free-market capitalism.

332 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 7:43:03am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

these fuckers have no idea of communism except as anything to the left of full on unregulated free-market capitalism.

I really wonder why anyone who believes all the crazy shit about Communism’s evils thinks anyone supports it?

333 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 7:43:15am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

These idiots ought to take their half-baked political opinions to their logical conclusion. Problem is, their thinking leads to the same UTOPIA!!!!TM that the Party Leaders liked to encourage belief in.

334 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 7:44:18am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Oh, I don’t deny its impact at all. I just think when it comes to how we view things. We’re defined on our interactions with real people especially at a young age. The anti-gay bigots are always like WHAT WILL I TELL MY KIDS. The kids are more like “Okay, so they’re two people of the same gender in love, that’s wonderful even if it’s different from you and Mommy.”

What we are telling our kids is a lot less important than what Disney is telling everybody’s kids. Just spent a week watching a 4-yr old work his way around Netflix’ parental controls.

The Turbo the Snail CGI movie was clever, innocent and well-produced. It has spun off a series of cheap animations that reverted back to the same villain/threat/violence formula.

This has been my summer book report on How I Spent My Grandad Vacation.

335 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:44:53am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or a full-time employee getting food stamps because his employer will not pay anything above minimum wage

Which makes taxpayers being the ones subsidizing private industry - without the dividends.

336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 7:45:22am

re: #335 Joanne

Which makes taxpayers being the ones subsidizing private industry - without the dividends.

Nobody complains about corporate welfare.

337 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 7:46:39am

Sugarcandy Mountain.

338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 7:46:54am

re: #329 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The Soviet version distinguished between “private property” and “personal property”, the latter was basically “small-scale” property up to a house/piece of land.

339 iossarian  Aug 12, 2014 7:46:58am

re: #335 Joanne

Which makes taxpayers being the ones subsidizing private industry - without the dividends.

You are dangerously close to understanding how America works.

You should watch some more “Dancing with the Stars”. That helps.

340 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 7:47:26am

re: #333 Alyosha

These idiots ought to take their half-baked political opinions to their logical conclusion. Problem is, their thinking leads to the same UTOPIA!!!!TM that the Party Leaders liked to encourage belief in.

I think it’s Joe The Plumber disorder. The thought that one day you’ll rule the world, er, private industry and, by golly, you will then want all the things that are gifted to the uber wealthy today, too.

341 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 7:47:45am

Rand Paul’s 2016 RWNJ pandering is off to a running start:

Rand Paul on abortion: Civilization will collapse unless fetuses get personhood rights

So much for individual liberty and personal freedom. Quick! Someone tell me again that this lunatic has a chance of getting out of the primaries. I need a laugh.

342 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 7:49:33am

re: #341 Lidane

Rand Paul’s 2016 RWNJ pandering is off to a running start:

Rand Paul on abortion: Civilization will collapse unless fetuses get personhood rights

So much for individual liberty and personal freedom. Quick! Someone tell me again that this lunatic has a chance of getting out of the primaries. I need a laugh.

The thought of the 2016 primaries is the only thing that makes this off-year election bearable.

343 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 7:50:37am

re: #338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The Soviet version distinguished between “private property” and “personal property”, the latter was basically “small-scale” property up to a house/piece of land.

As does Marx.

If everyone actually read Adam Smith and Karl Marx, both conservatives and Che-T-shirt-wearing activists both, the world would be a better place.

344 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:50:57am

re: #341 Lidane

Rand Paul’s 2016 RWNJ pandering is off to a running start:

Rand Paul on abortion: Civilization will collapse unless fetuses get personhood rights

So much for individual liberty and personal freedom. Quick! Someone tell me again that this lunatic has a chance of getting out of the primaries. I need a laugh.

Not only a chance but he may be your frontrunner. But yeah I can’t wait to hear from his douchebro pals that he’s a friend of LIBERTY AND FREEDOM when he espouses shit like this. Rand Paul is every bit if not more the so-con nutjob than Bush was with a happy helping of retrograde 1920’s economic derp and stated hypothetical vote against the CRA of 1964.

345 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 7:52:24am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Not only a chance but he may be your frontrunner. But yeah I can’t wait to hear from his douchebro pals that he’s a friend of LIBERTY AND FREEDOM when he espouses shit like this. Rand Paul is every bit if not more the so-con nutjob than Bush was with a happy helping of retrograde 1920’s economic derp and stated hypothetical vote against the CRA of 1964.

With a sweet, sweet, racist cherry on top.

346 wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2014 7:52:55am

re: #341 Lidane

Rand Paul’s 2016 RWNJ pandering is off to a running start:

Rand Paul on abortion: Civilization will collapse unless fetuses get personhood rights

So much for individual liberty and personal freedom. Quick! Someone tell me again that this lunatic has a chance of getting out of the primaries. I need a laugh.

Where ‘civilization’ = ‘male supremacy’ that makes all the sense in the world.

347 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 7:53:44am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or a full-time employee getting food stamps because his employer will not pay anything above minimum wage

Hell, I do make over minimum wage - $0.75 an hour more & full time at that. After child support is taken out and the bills are paid I have $25 at the end of the month for groceries and gasoline. Oh, and $120 a month in food stamps.

For that money I have to have skills as an accountant, a clerk, a janitor & a cook.

But it’s “Communists” we’re supposed to be scared rather than the nation’s continuing decent into the the makings of Europe circa 600 ~ 700 AD. Move in, pick up your hoe & swear your oath of fealty as a serf to your capitalist/corporate lord.

Which is slightly better than the Teahadi desire to recreate the government of Spain circa 1936 to 1975, but in neither case will the masses - proletariat or bourgeoisie - ever be actually free.

Just as today only the rich will have rights and they’ll stop pretending with the fake carrot that if you work hard you’ll get rich like them. In that respect, there will be a certain honesty from the right at long last.

348 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 7:54:12am

re: #340 Joanne

I think it’s Joe The Plumber disorder. The thought that one day you’ll rule the world, er, private industry and, by golly, you will then want all the things that are gifted to the uber wealthy today, too.

Except Joe the Plumber now occupies a space in the rightwing echosphere and probably draws a tidy sum from it. One day, every tcot-er will draw a salary from their tweets and the re-tweets will feed the masses. May it come to pass! Hosannah!

/

349 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 7:54:21am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Not only a chance but he may be your frontrunner. But yeah I can’t wait to hear from his douchebro pals that he’s a friend of LIBERTY AND FREEDOM when he espouses shit like this. Rand Paul is every bit if not more the so-con nutjob than Bush was with a happy helping of retrograde 1920’s economic derp and stated hypothetical vote against the CRA of 1964.

A wingnut I know was trying to suggest that Rand Paul will appeal to young voters. I laughed. Not a chance in hell. He won’t appeal to the young because he’s a lunatic. He won’t appeal to minority voters because of his habit of whitesplaining civil rights to them. And he sure as shit won’t appeal to women if he pushes this personhood garbage.

He’ll end up like his daddy — appealing to old Neo-Confederate cranks and to the idiot libertarian dudebros who think he’s pro-weed and anti-war and ignore everything else he says.

350 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 7:55:25am

re: #347 William Barnett-Lewis

Hell, I do make over minimum wage - $0.75 an hour more & full time at that. After child support is taken out and the bills are paid I have $25 at the end of the month for groceries and gasoline. Oh, and $120 a month in food stamps.

For that money I have to have skills as an accountant, a clerk, a janitor & a cook.

But it’s “Communists” we’re supposed to be scared rather than the nation’s continuing decent into the the makings of Europe circa 600 ~ 700 AD. Move in, pick up your hoe & swear your oath of fealty as a serf to your capitalist/corporate lord.

Which is slightly better than the Teahadi desire to recreate the government of Spain circa 1936 to 1975, but in neither case will the masses - proletariat or bourgeoisie - ever be actually free.

Just as today only the rich will have rights and they’ll stop pretending with the fake carrot that if you work hard you’ll get rich like them. In that respect, there will be a certain honesty from the right at long last.

351 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 7:55:44am
352 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 7:55:59am

re: #343 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

As does Marx.

If everyone actually read Adam Smith and Karl Marx, both conservatives and Che-T-shirt-wearing activists both, the world would be a better place.

Smith, Marx & Keynes. And yeah, very few of the ones screaming about laissez faire have ever read any of the three :(

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 7:56:59am

Speaking of Rand Paul:

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 7:58:34am
355 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 7:58:49am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of Rand Paul:

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Classic politician but go ahead Paul fans and tell me why Rand is “different” because “liberty.” He’s nothing but a craven opportunist asshole like his asshole father.

356 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 7:59:16am

Here’s why I’ve always believed that the idea of Shep Smith being the ‘voice of reason’ on Fox News is a crock of shit.

Fox News host labels Robin Williams ‘such a coward’ over alleged suicide

The Fox News host noted that Williams had once told a story about his daughter, Zelda, who asked him to read a book to her in his normal voice.

“One of the children he so loved, one of the children grieving tonight,” Smith said. “Because their father killed himself in a fit of depression.”

“It’s hard to imagine, isn’t it?” he continued. “You could love three little things so much, watch them grow, they’re in their mid-20s, and they’re inspiring you, and exciting you, and they fill you up with the kind of joy you could never have known.”

“And yet, something inside you is so horrible or you’re such a coward or whatever the reason that you decide that you have to end it. Robin Williams, at 63, did that today.”

Insensitive prick.

357 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:01:52am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Classic politician but go ahead Paul fans and tell me why Rand is “different” because “liberty.” He’s nothing but a craven opportunist asshole like his asshole father.

Coz fuckin’ Bill Maher keeps giving props to him. I get it, he’s not an interventionist like other Republicans tend to be and he used to make noises about decriminalising pot but seriously, has he not employed the Pierce 5:01 rule?

358 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 8:02:04am

re: #356 makeitstop

Shep Smith had one amazing moment and that was when he yelled at Hannity on camera during Katrina. Smith is from Mississippi so he probably had friends and family that were personally affected by the storm. He wasn’t in the mood to play along with Hannity that day.

Other than that, Shep Smith is ” the voice of reason” at Fox because they pay him to play the part. He’s just as much of a wingnut as the rest of them.

359 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:03:06am

re: #356 makeitstop

Here’s why I’ve always believed that the idea of Shep Smith being the ‘voice of reason’ on Fox News is a crock of shit.

Fox News host labels Robin Williams ‘such a coward’ over alleged suicide

Insensitive prick.

Honestly, some of Fox’s worst moments haven’t even been in their political coverage and this is just another example of that. This is clearly a person who has never had to live with depression like Williams did nor has attempted to empathize with someone with it. Really fuck Fox. Fuck Rupert Murdoch and fuck Roger Ailles for running a network that goes after people like that.

360 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 8:04:10am

re: #358 Lidane

Shep Smith had one amazing moment and that was when he yelled at Hannity on camera during Katrina. Smith is from Mississippi so he probably had friends and family that were personally affected by the storm. He wasn’t in the mood to play along with Hannity that day.

Other than that, Shep Smith is ” the voice of reason” at Fox because they pay him to play the part. He’s just as much of a wingnut as the rest of them.

I remember that. His job seems to be to portray a newsman with a smidge of compassion, so the world will think that there’s actually someone working at Fox News who has a soul.

361 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 8:05:09am

Did you know it’s totally safe and natural for your drinking water to have high levels of methane in it? It’s true:

“They talk about methane in the water and this, that, and the other,” Baumgardner told Klingenschmitt, “but if you go back in history and look at how the Indians traveled, they traveled to the burning waters. And that was methane in the waters and that was for warmth in the wintertime. So a lot of people, if they just trace back the history, they’ll know how a lot of this is propaganda”:

SCIENCE!

362 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 8:07:03am

GAME OF THRONES Actor J.J. Murphy Dies in the Midst of Filming Season 5

And now his watch is ended. Native Northern Ireland actor J.J. Murphy has passed away, only four days into filming the fifth season of HBO’s Game of Thrones. According to the Belfast Telegraph, Ser Denys Mallister (as was his character on the series), collapsed and died on Friday. He was 86 years old.
The series’ executive producers, D.B. Weiss and David Benioff released a joint statement in regards to the passing: “We will not be recasting J.J. Murphy. He was a lovely man, and the best Denys Mallister we could have hoped for. And now his watch is ended.”
Murphy reportedly had more scenes to film in the coming week as his character Ser Denys Mallister, the oldest member of the Night’s Watch. The man commanded the Shadow Tower for thirty-three years and was uncle of Lord Jason Mallister, a renowned tourney knight and bannerman loyal to House Tully.

363 A Mom Anon  Aug 12, 2014 8:09:57am

re: #361 Lidane

I eagerly await him drinking a big tall glass of methane laced water just to prove he’s right.

364 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 8:11:01am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

People on the right are unable to feel empathy for others. Which is why I think of them all as sociopaths.

I get not being able to understand the filters a person in a different culture uses. We have different points of reference and personal (and collective) experiences. But the inability to feel empathy sets is apart. If you can’t conceptualize another persons life, what makes you think you can justly criticize it? It’s blindly striking out at the unknown.

365 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:11:29am

The whole ‘suicide-is-a-selfish/cowardly-act position’ is a great way to separate compassionate individuals from those without the capacity to empathise with depressed people or who operate moment-to-moment on snippets of received wisdom from their childhood which, as an adult, experience has failed to unseat. Another fucking bootstrap pontificator.

366 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 8:13:43am

re: #356 makeitstop

Yikes.

All of twitter last night:

We need to start taking depression and mental health seriously in our society. Hopefully this is the starting point.

Fox: “fit of depression”

Likes its a god dammed sneezing fit.

367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 8:14:35am

re: #365 Alyosha

The whole ‘suicide-is-a-selfish/cowardly-act position’ is a great way to separate compassionate individuals from those without the capacity to empathise with depressed people or who operate moment-to-moment on snippets of received wisdom from their childhood which, as an adult, experience has failed to unseat. Another fucking bootstrap pontificator.

I must admit that I am already a bit overloaded on Robin Williams memorial/tribute/sympathy postings on FB and the news, but I cannot see the point of lashing out like that unless the person or organization behind it was sensationalist, pusillanimous or just evil.

368 Botsplainer  Aug 12, 2014 8:14:40am

So have the intrepid chiefs of the Ferguson and St Louis police departments coordinated on shredding enough of the perp cop’s disciplinary file so as to feel free to release his name yet? Can the Ferguson city fathers be a little more deferential to the desires of the police department? How about the county officials directing public safety across the entire St. Louis area?

Have they given his family enough time to move their belongings from his house, while they move him to some undisclosed safe location?

Have they given him enough time to erase his facebook profile and his PoliceOne postings?

How badly do they really want this to spread into the rest of the St. Louis metro area, into toney white neighborhoods and shopping areas while police are sent from other jurisdictions into Ferguson to quell disturbances and gas journalists and homeowners?

So long as he’s safe from public rage, that’s all that matters.

369 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 8:15:02am
370 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 8:15:33am

re: #365 Alyosha

The whole ‘suicide-is-a-selfish/cowardly-act position’ is a great way to separate compassionate individuals from those without the capacity to empathise with depressed people or who operate moment-to-moment on snippets of received wisdom from their childhood which, as an adult, experience has failed to unseat. Another fucking bootstrap pontificator.

Avoiding the whole discussion of the many aspects of suicide because of the immediate impact of Robin Williams. Like most things, suicide is lots of things.

371 Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2014 8:15:40am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s really not fair at all. I agree with them that it’s something that deserves more coverage but as always I resent that someone is being dragged through the mud to make that point especially someone like Williams who as you say did a lot for not only veterans but the active duty troops too.

When a simple check of the voting record can be used to see who truly is cutting the veterans off from need treatment. But I guess that would take some work rather than listening to some fucknut telling them what to think, facts be damned.

372 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 8:16:13am

Another tone-deaf Republican…

‘What is wrong with you?’: GOP official’s Robin Williams remarks spark Twitter outrage

Fields - a former congressional candidate who has previously gotten himself into hot water for refusing to condemn a county GOP group’s Facebook post on slavery, claiming Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) had a daddy problem, and blamed the death of Trayvon Martin on hip hop — used his latest controversial to point out the supposed hypocrisy of liberals caring about the deaths of celebrities whose work they admire.

“(R)eal ppl who dont have millions are crushed by the policies of guilt ridden celebrity above all libs,” Fields responded to one Twitter user.

“You gripe they don’t pay their fair share and then ur somehow adversely affected by their passing?” he said to another.

Fields continued jousting with Twitter users over his comments, dismissing their grief and outrage as phony.

Then a fellow Republican — former Republican house communications staffer Kevin Watterson - stepped into the fray.

“You are an officer of the state party and making an ass of all of us,” Watterson said. “Don’t tell me to watch my mouth.”

Fields continued trying to defend his reaction, saying that Williams’ death was no more tragic than any other person’s, and still trying to find a political angle.

373 Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2014 8:17:25am

re: #267 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Ronnie Reagan read a good script also and they seemed to fucking love him.

374 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 8:17:59am

There is this funny fundie site, CAPalert, that reviews movies from a fundie perspective and assigns various scores to them.

Well, Robin Williams has the distinction of having starred in a movie, which this guy couldn’t watch to the end, and that’s saying something :D

capalert.com

I could not justify spending the time and effort necessary to do a complete analysis of The Birdcage. After 25 minutes of the show I had one and a half recording logs of homosexual suggestions and activities. There were other examples of unacceptable material, but none so thick as homosexuality. I apologize if you were expecting to see a complete review of The Birdcage, but there are some things I can stand, and some things I cannot stand — this movie was “cannot.” It was glorification of homosexualtiy, pure and simple. Great scott!! Robin Williams, the voice of Genie in Aladdin who said “I love you too, Al” and acting with children in Jumanji was right there on the screen kissing on other men! I am aware of Williams’ use of foul language and sexual material in some movies, but whodda thought? It may be illegal in Canada and other countries to speak out against homosexuality, but not in America. Not yet, at least. No…I am not a homophobe. I do not fear or hate the homosexual, I just hate homosexuality.

My suggestion is…don’t watch this movie.

375 Romantic Heretic  Aug 12, 2014 8:18:24am

re: #356 makeitstop

Here’s why I’ve always believed that the idea of Shep Smith being the ‘voice of reason’ on Fox News is a crock of shit.

Fox News host labels Robin Williams ‘such a coward’ over alleged suicide

Insensitive prick.

Mr. Smith? Please go fuck yourself up the ass with a lit stick of dynamite.

376 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 8:18:57am

re: #365 Alyosha

The whole ‘suicide-is-a-selfish/cowardly-act position’ is a great way to separate compassionate individuals from those without the capacity to empathise with depressed people or who operate moment-to-moment on snippets of received wisdom from their childhood which, as an adult, experience has failed to unseat. Another fucking bootstrap pontificator.

I think some suicides are cowardly. Someone who has committed a horrible crime and kills themselves rather than face justice. Some suicides are horribly selfish: fathers who kill themselves and leave notes blaming their wife and family. Etc.

This wasn’t anything like that. Nor are most suicides.

377 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:19:36am

re: #372 makeitstop

Another tone-deaf Republican…

‘What is wrong with you?’: GOP official’s Robin Williams remarks spark Twitter outrage

That one was so bad he had his fellow Republicans calling him out granted the Tweets make it appear like it was more a worry of them looking bad but it was nice to see him get called out. Seems he’s got a history- blamed hip hop for Treyvon Martin’s death. Nice guy.

378 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 8:19:44am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

And GRR Martin is wondering how he could have missed that one.. /

Seriously though, RIP.

379 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 8:19:50am

re: #372 makeitstop

Watterson, clear, concise, to the point. Still had more than 100 characters left, too.

:-)

380 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 8:19:55am

re: #374 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Also, The Birdcage is incredibly middle-class and the main sub-plot of the gay characters involves emotional commitment, not sex.

381 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 8:20:06am
382 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:21:54am

re: #380 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also, The Birdcage is incredibly middle-class and the main sub-plot of the gay characters involves emotional commitment, not sex.

The scene where Val says Albert has been his mother pretty much is a powerful one. It’s a funny movie but manages to touch too. I can see why this guy hates it though since it shows how bigoted “family values” types like that are.

383 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 8:22:59am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

I think his “worst flick ever” is South Park: BLU.

384 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 8:23:16am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mr. French has been amazing at getting the word out.

385 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 8:23:35am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

And the son is a completely normal, vanilla hetero guy marrying a girl.

386 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 8:24:47am

I realize that he’s not a journalist, but Antonio French should be nominated for a Pulitzer for the work he’s putting in on this story.

Without him being there and keeping a running narrative, the police’s version of events would probably have been fully accepted as the truth by now.

387 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:24:53am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

I refer to the broad brush of suicide-as-cowardice which is so common and which many prefer to fall back upon in lieu of a more considered, if uncomfortable approach to the subject. I hear it so often, more in the tone of questions that follow the news (i.e. ‘did he have a wife?’ or ‘but didn’t he have children?’) that amounts to judgement of the individual. It’s moralism dressed up as concern. And it bugs me. Small town gossip over non-celebs is bad enough. When then same tone is used in an international conversation I can’t help but comment.

388 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:26:32am

re: #385 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And the son is a completely normal, vanilla hetero guy marrying a girl.

Yep. It just goes against so many stereotypes about gay parents. Anyhow, my favorite sub-plot of the movie is how Hackman’s Senator Keeley just falls in love with Nathan Lane’s “Mrs. Coleman.” It’s a fun movie. Definitely going to watch on Netflix tonight or some time this week.

389 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:27:06am

re: #386 makeitstop

I realize that he’s not a journalist, but Antonio French should be nominated for a Pulitzer for the work he’s putting in on this story.

Without him being there and keeping a running narrative, the police’s version of events would probably have been fully accepted as the truth by now.

Yep, he’s been a gem. Well done, Mr. French.

390 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:27:56am

re: #376 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I think some suicides are cowardly. Someone who has committed a horrible crime and kills themselves rather than face justice. Some suicides are horribly selfish: fathers who kill themselves and leave notes blaming their wife and family. Etc.

This wasn’t anything like that. Nor are most suicides.

I really hope people here aren’t reading into my comments above as suggesting that I concur with the Shep Smith opinion. My comments directly repudiate it.

391 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 8:28:59am

re: #387 Alyosha

I do wonder if some in the ‘suicide-as-cowardice’ crowd have been personally affected by suicide (parent, brother, etc) and this is the way they are currently dealing with it.

I saw a rather anger tweeter last night calling Robin Williams a coward and the only thing I could think of to rationalize his behavior was that he had to have been really close to someone that committed suicide. Doesn’t excuse the behavior obviously.

392 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 8:29:07am

re: #390 Alyosha

I really hope people here aren’t reading into my comments above as suggesting that I concur with the Shep Smith opinion. My comments directly repudiate it.

Got that. Just want to hold a threadmarker for a less emotional time.

393 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 8:29:39am

re: #380 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also, The Birdcage is incredibly middle-class and the main sub-plot of the gay characters involves emotional commitment, not sex.

I went to see the French original “La Cage aus Folles”, not knowing a thing about it other than it was a popular French comedy, and found myself laughing my ass off and not being the least bit concerned about the homosexual aspects of it.

394 iossarian  Aug 12, 2014 8:30:12am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I went to see the French orignal “La Cage aus Folles”, not knowing a thing about it other than it was a popular French comedy, and found myself laughing my ass off and not being the least bit concerned about the homosexual aspects of it.

The original is awesome.

395 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:30:52am

re: #392 Decatur Deb

I’m late to the conversation, so I might be a bit more raw still. I’ll dial it back.

396 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:31:20am

re: #394 iossarian

The original is awesome.

is it on Amazon Prime or perhaps even Netlfix? I’d love to see it too since I enjoyed the Williams version so much.

397 iossarian  Aug 12, 2014 8:31:58am

Corporation to sue UK for promoting public health:

bbc.com

398 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 8:32:19am
K-141 Kursk was an Oscar-II class nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine of the Russian Navy, lost with all hands when it sank in the Barents Sea on 12 August 2000.

Youtube Video
“It drowned.”

399 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 8:32:44am

re: #391 Franklin Brewsevelt

I do wonder if some in the ‘suicide-as-cowardice’ crowd have been personally affected by suicide (parent, brother, etc) and this is the way they are currently dealing with it.

I saw a rather anger tweeter last night calling Robin Williams a coward and the only thing I could think of to rationalize his behavior was that he had to have been really close to someone that committed suicide. Doesn’t excuse the behavior obviously.

A friend on Facebook put up a post about how selfish and cowardly Williams was, but then took it up a notch by fabricating a quote along the lines of Williams telling his family ‘Fuck you all, I don’t care about you, let’s see how you deal with pain.’

She took a sustained (and well-deserved) online beatdown for it, with even mental health professionals and those who had experienced suicides in their families logging on to tell her how insesnsitive and wrong she was.

400 BeachDem  Aug 12, 2014 8:33:28am

re: #177 palomino

This is what passes for commentary on the intellectual right today. A black kid said mean racist things to the author, ergo not only is the state of Illinois doomed, but it’s all the fault of the governor. Yeah, that’s a really strong logical connection.

Kevin D. Williamson isn’t much different from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh in his blowhard right wing dog whistle style. Except he went to college and has no radio/TV skills, so he gets to write for National Review.

And, as we discussed yesterday when this article first came up, he’s a really terrible writer!

401 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 8:34:41am

re: #398 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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“It drowned.”

after colliding with a foreign spy submarine, of course.

because even implying that the Russian navy might be at fault would be unpatriotic and detrimental to morale

402 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 8:35:22am

:(

403 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 8:35:25am
404 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 8:36:08am

re: #395 Alyosha

I’m late to the conversation, so I might be a bit more raw still. I’ll dial it back.

No need. Just avoiding it until we can be more ‘theoretical’.

405 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 8:36:13am

But maybe…

406 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:36:40am

You know, it’s easy to just dismiss it as a selfish act. I’ll open up here. I have anxiety. I have days where I feel on top of the world and that I can do anything. I have other days where I feel completely useless. I have also on one occasion attempted to kill myself. It’s easy to just tell someone to shrug it off or if it’s someones words that effect you that “it’s just words.” I think for me the key to beating my depression and anxiety issues has been losing all the weight that I have. But it’s not gone. There are still many a restless night where I find myself haunted. Haunted often by the pasts and the regrets that come with thinking about past failures and past things that were not done.

407 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:37:57am

It’s morning once again, raining and the mold levels are extra high.

I wish I could be legally.

you?

408 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:38:55am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

You know, it’s easy to just dismiss it as a selfish act. I’ll open up here. I have anxiety. I have days where I feel on top of the world and that I can do anything. I have other days where I feel completely useless. I have also on one occasion attempted to kill myself. It’s easy to just tell someone to shrug it off or if it’s someones words that effect you that “it’s just words.” I think for me the key to beating my depression and anxiety issues has been losing all the weight that I have. But it’s not gone. There are still many a restless night where I find myself haunted. Haunted often by the pasts and the regrets that come with thinking about past failures and past things that were not done.

You are not expected to be perfect. It’s ok to be human. You can’t fix the past only learn from it.

Progress not Perfection.

409 Interesting Times  Aug 12, 2014 8:39:08am

re: #397 iossarian

Corporation to sue UK for promoting public health:

bbc.com

Exactly the kind of thing the TPP will make even easier and more commonplace.

410 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 8:39:22am
411 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:39:58am

re: #408 FemNaziBitch

You are not expected to be perfect. It’s ok to be human. You can’t fix the past only learn from it.

Progress not Perfection.

Right, I also try to live in the day.

412 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 8:40:40am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

I have PTSD, and some days I have attacks of terror and self-blame that last for hours and end only when my wife comes home or I’m able to talk to my brother or I watch Big Trouble in Little China (srsly). I’ve never come close to suicide, not because I’m strong or tough or something just because the idea of suicide makes me even sadder, I know it’s not a solution. If my mental makeup were somewhat different, I’d be a lot more vulnerable to suicidal ideation. I’m lucky.

413 iossarian  Aug 12, 2014 8:41:16am

re: #397 iossarian

Corporation to sue UK for promoting public health:

bbc.com

Paged

414 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:42:31am

re: #360 makeitstop

I remember that. His job seems to be to portray a newsman with a smidge of compassion, so the world will think that there’s actually someone working at Fox News who has a soul.

It is all scripted down to the last eyelash.

415 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:43:07am

re: #412 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I have PTSD, and some days I have attacks of terror and self-blame that last for hours and end only when my wife comes home or I’m able to talk to my brother or I watch Big Trouble in Little China (srsly). I’ve never come close to suicide, not because I’m strong or tough or something just because the idea of suicide makes me even sadder, I know it’s not a solution. If my mental makeup were somewhat different, I’d be a lot more vulnerable to suicidal ideation. I’m lucky.

Right, everyone’s different. I have no idea about what Robin went through. I think the feeling of self-doubt is one of the worst emotions one can have. Continue to hang in there man though. I think what gets me going in the end are the simple joys in life like music and man am I enjoying being an uncle. I cherish every moment I can see my niece.

416 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:44:04am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

No need. Just avoiding it until we can be more ‘theoretical’.

Yeah, it’s really fucked. When I heard questions to the effect of those I posted above, I felt that I might be compelled to defend the man as if he were my own uncle. I get passionate about it coz my 8th grade math teacher had a son, Che, who killed himself. Never knew him, never heard of him until the moment he died. But you ought to have heard how people judged him. Small town and small minds, and all that. But now we’re a global village. Rant done with.

417 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:44:46am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Right, I also try to live in the day.

Sometimes, I live breath to breath.

:)

418 BeachDem  Aug 12, 2014 8:45:22am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Gee, he managed to include every dog whistle possible under the “just asking questions” cover. Slightly better written than Williamson’s but I didn’t think it was any better.

419 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:45:50am

re: #417 FemNaziBitch

Sometimes, I live breath to breath.

:)

Heh that works too. Have to say though at 27, I’m feeling much more comfortable with who I am than I did at 17, I’m fairly confident, and know what I am capable of.

420 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 8:45:55am

re: #417 FemNaziBitch

Sometimes, I live breath to breath.

:)

I’ll be watching you.

421 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 8:47:33am
422 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 12, 2014 8:48:08am

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

And in terms of output, it’s probably a lot higher than that.

423 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 12, 2014 8:48:34am

Beautiful sky in Los Angeles this morning

424 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:49:12am

I have to keep breathing:
Youtube Video

425 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 8:49:31am

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you for reminding me why I do not Twitter or have any desire to even hear about what goes on there.

426 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:50:38am

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wonder what it’s like with facebook. Can’t read a newsstory without someone telling me how they saved such and such money.

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 8:51:01am
428 Danny  Aug 12, 2014 8:51:53am

Ferguson police will not release name of officer until ordered by a judge due to “threats.”
Link

429 Alyosha  Aug 12, 2014 8:52:39am

Gotta sleep. If I was out of line, mea culpa. Night, Lizards. Be good to each other.

430 wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2014 8:53:03am

re: #428 Danny

Ferguson police will not release name of officer until ordered by a judge due to “threats.”
Link

The link is missing a colon. You can click on the pencil to edit.

431 Stanley Sea  Aug 12, 2014 8:54:04am

re: #368 Botsplainer

So have the intrepid chiefs of the Ferguson and St Louis police departments coordinated on shredding enough of the perp cop’s disciplinary file so as to feel free to release his name yet? Can the Ferguson city fathers be a little more deferential to the desires of the police department? How about the county officials directing public safety across the entire St. Louis area?

Have they given his family enough time to move their belongings from his house, while they move him to some undisclosed safe location?

Have they given him enough time to erase his facebook profile and his PoliceOne postings?

How badly do they really want this to spread into the rest of the St. Louis metro area, into toney white neighborhoods and shopping areas while police are sent from other jurisdictions into Ferguson to quell disturbances and gas journalists and homeowners?

So long as he’s safe from public rage, that’s all that matters.

Reposting this, because yep, bet it’s going down.

432 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:54:19am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

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Hahahahhaa. Man I’m gonna miss that guy.

433 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 8:55:24am

re: #428 Danny

Ferguson police will not release name of officer until ordered by a judge due to “threats.”
Link

I’m as inclined to believe there were threats made as I am to believe the cop’s account of the killing at this point.

Ferguson PD is going to have to go a long way before I trust anything they’ve got to say.

434 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:55:51am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

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My Adopted Jewish Father is very stoic. The only time I’ve ever seen him laugh-out-loud is when I said I thought that Mary fucked the Angel.

435 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 8:55:53am
436 Danny  Aug 12, 2014 8:56:01am

Sorry. Fixed(?)

437 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 8:56:52am

re: #428 Danny

Ferguson police will not release name of officer until ordered by a judge due to “threats.”
Link

Yeah. Right. SHM.

438 Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2014 8:57:05am

re: #428 Danny

Ferguson police will not release name of officer until ordered by a judge due to “threats.”
Link

“Until ordered by a judge”? If the Ferguson PD thinks this was a lawful shooting, as they seem to be hinting, then why would they think a judge needs to be involved?

439 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 8:57:55am

Yeah something’s up.

440 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 8:58:51am

I Was Traumatized by Christian Dogma: I Won’t Do the Same to My Child

One of the first memories to surface was of an eerie summer day in our little house in Tacoma, Washington. I was just five years old, and my Mom decided it was time to teach me about hell.

I was in my bedroom. A melancholy afternoon sunlight diffused through the white sheet curtains of the west-facing window, illuminating the dusty air. There, Mom told me that God hates sin—that is, disobedience—and to punish sin, He prepared a place of eternal fire and torment called Hell. When sinful people died, they went to Hell. It was God’s punishment for sin. Two thousand years ago, God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross. If I believed this, and “accepted Jesus into my heart,” I could escape the torments of hell and enjoy the promise of heaven, where I would live with God forever.

441 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 8:59:44am
442 b.d.  Aug 12, 2014 8:59:47am

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Inconceivable!

443 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:00:38am

Can’t link since it’s on Facebook but my a FB friend posted the story about how Robin Williams gave Christopher Reeve a good laugh before he had an important surgery. Did not know they had been roommates.

444 Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2014 9:02:05am

Seems more and more like the FBI getting involved was a foregone conclusion. The Ferguson PD seems bound and determined to just make this go away, even if it means beating people into submission.

445 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 9:02:05am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

You can link facebook, unless it’s protected.

446 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:03:15am

re: #444 Targetpractice

Seems more and more like the FBI getting involved was a foregone conclusion. The Ferguson PD seems bound and determined to just make this go away, even if it means beating people into submission.

Somebody slept through the 60s.

447 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 9:03:29am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Can’t link since it’s on Facebook but my a FB friend posted the story about how Robin Williams gave Christopher Reeve a good laugh before he had an important surgery. Did not know they had been roommates.

Read that too last night, really funny:

I already knew that I had only a fifty-fifty chance of surviving the surgery. … Then, at an especially bleak moment, the door flew open and in hurried a squat fellow with a blue scrub hat and a yellow surgical gown and glasses, speaking in a Russian accent.” The man announced that he was a proctologist and was going to perform a rectal exam on Reeve. It was Robin Williams, reprising his character from the film Nine Months. Reeve wrote: “For the first time since the accident, I laughed. My old friend had helped me know that somehow I was going to be okay.

More here: 5 Times Robin Williams Was Pretty Much the Best Guy Ever

448 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:04:28am

re: #445 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You can link facebook, unless it’s protected.

Ah okay, this will work. This guy had a lot to give the world. Shame on the people calling him weak and a coward for killing himself.
facebook.com

449 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 9:04:33am

Ever so classy :D

Youtube Video

450 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 9:04:49am

re: #298 Lidane

Clearly we are ignoring the REAL problem in America — Archie Comics.

*headdesk*

I was wrong. The real downfall of America won’t come from Archie Comics. It will come from prosecuting Bob McDonnell.

451 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 9:05:36am

re:
#440

Great stuff for kids!!!! Good News!!!!!

And since Hell is real and we can go see it and watch people burning right now….oh wait

452 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2014 9:05:53am

I’ll post more on this later, but a lot of it boils down to “reading a book by its cover” syndrome. Someone can look perfectly happy, healthy and normal in every way on the outside and yet on the inside be fighting battles the likes of which some us have never even imagined.

Depression is painful. Depression HURTS. Depression is destructive.

And sadly part of that is because people who suffer with it often feel they have no support from people who don’t.

I’ve struggled with depression myself and I’m sure most of the people who know would be stunned, absolutely stunned to realize some of the thoughts of I’ve had or mental places I’ve been. Depression is a monster, an absolute monster. But life is no fairy tale and there isn’t always a dragon slayer running to the rescue.

By and large I’ve overcome my depression, but it wasn’t easy and it wasn’t painless and despite how far I’ve made it…I still have my moments. I still occasionally find myself in the dark places when the rest of the world sees me as a perfectly healthy, happily married, hardworking 30-something.

Don’t assume you can know someone by little more than a superficial glance at their life.

453 Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2014 9:06:03am

re: #449 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Lol.

454 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:06:24am

re: #447 Franklin Brewsevelt

Read that too last night, really funny:

More here: 5 Times Robin Williams Was Pretty Much the Best Guy Ever

I would have loved to been able to call him a friend. Just seems like the kind of guy you’d want by your side for the best and worst days. the bit about the young girl is amazing. What a guy.

455 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 9:07:18am

re: #447 Franklin Brewsevelt

Read that too last night, really funny:

More here: 5 Times Robin Williams Was Pretty Much the Best Guy Ever

456 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 9:07:29am

re: #453 Varek Raith

Lol.

At least on par with the MP sketch.

457 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 9:07:50am
458 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:08:05am

re: #428 Danny

Ferguson police will not release name of officer until ordered by a judge due to “threats.”
Link

As much as I think this cop is a total schmuck, that’s probably a smart decision - for now.

459 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:08:18am

re: #450 Lidane

I was wrong. The real downfall of America won’t come from Archie Comics. It will come from prosecuting Bob McDonnell.

Lol that’s just sad even for a pathetic creep like that. Yeah it’s because they were afraid of Bob McDonnell. Bob McDonnell benefitted from running against a Democrat who ran a terrible campaign and Bob benefited from hiding the fact that he and Pat see eye to eye on a lot of stuff.

460 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:08:30am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Can’t link since it’s on Facebook but my a FB friend posted the story about how Robin Williams gave Christopher Reeve a good laugh before he had an important surgery. Did not know they had been roommates.

Robin Williams paid for all the stuff Christopher needed to make it possible for him to live at home and not go bankkupt after the accident.

461 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 9:08:41am

Balancing the right of a police officer involved in a deadly shooting of an unarmed black man versus the public’s right to know who this person was. And you can guess how the Department came down on that one.

twitter.com

It’s a claim that its policy to withhold name until arrest is made. The officer is currently on admin leave and needs two separate psych evaluations before he could return to duty.

The officer who shot Brown is on paid administrative leave during the investigation and will be available to talk to county homicide detectives.

The officer has been with the force six years, Belmar said, adding that he is “unaware of any other issues that he’s been involved in.”

He will be required to undergo two psychological evaluations before returning to duty, Belmar said.

There’s a reason that the FBI is now involved in this, and the DOJ is looking at the Department closer.

Oh, and this is so much better - cops used pepper balls - not rubber bullets in dispersing crowds yesterday / :
twitter.com

462 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 9:09:24am

heh…

463 Dave In Austin  Aug 12, 2014 9:09:33am

re: #440 FemNaziBitch

I Was Traumatized by Christian Dogma: I Won’t Do the Same to My Child

I got the same song and dance from my folks. I hated church ( until High School, then I chased those Xristian girls), made all the right commitments. Mom and Dad were happy and I’m assuming Hey Zeus as well. My downfall was my love of natural order, art, and science.

Today, publicly, I reject it. The teachings of Christ have been perverted beyond the anything I ever knew. My sister is still devout, but bro an I continue to say ” that’s not the Jesus I grew up with” when it comes to these RW Christianists.

464 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 9:09:38am

re:
#447

Great post, thanks

465 Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2014 9:09:43am

re: #96 Kid A

Is Obama still Black? Then I’m sure the answer is yes.

466 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:09:49am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

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These stories are just amazing. You know, I always did think he was one of the better guys out there but these stories. Man. I wish Robin were still here to know how much good he did so many people. Poor guy.

467 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 9:09:54am

Curse these work filters. Apparently Glenn Beck pulled out the handy dandy chalkboard to deliver his AMERICA IZ DOOMED warnings last night. I won’t be able to watch until I get home.

468 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:10:41am

re: #460 FemNaziBitch

Robin Williams paid for all the stuff Christopher needed to make it possible for him to live at home and not go bankkupt after the accident.

Yep but I was talking about the Russian accent and rectal exam gag :).

469 Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2014 9:11:01am

re: #465 Patricia Kayden

Is Obama still Black? Then I’m sure the answer is yes.

Lizards aliens are green, silly.

470 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:11:05am

re: #467 Lidane

Curse these work filters. Apparently Glenn Beck pulled out the handy dandy chalkboard to deliver his AMERICA IZ DOOMED warnings last night. I won’t be able to watch until I get home.

Narcissistic cry baby says wut.

471 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:11:49am

re: #463 Dave In Austin

I got the same song and dance from my folks. I hated church ( until High School, then I chased those Xristian girls), made all the right commitments. Mom and Dad were happy and I’m assuming Hey Zeus as well. My downfall was my love of natural order, art, and science.

Today, publicly, I reject it. The teachings of Christ have been perverted beyond the anything I ever knew. My sister is still devout, but bro an I continue to say ” that’s not the Jesus I grew up with” when it comes to these RW Christianists.

Whacked out religion does more to create and perpetuate mental illness than people want to face.

The very institutions that are supposed to alleviate our suffering and have the original tools to do so are hurting people.

Pisses me off.

472 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 9:11:50am
473 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 9:12:41am
474 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 9:13:11am
475 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:13:47am

re: #472 Pie-onist Overlord

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I was just thinking about him since he’s another actor who I’ve also felt was also a genuinely good person. He also bowled the first pitch at a Dodgers game.

476 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:13:55am

re: #433 makeitstop

I’m as inclined to believe there were threats made as I am to believe the cop’s account of the killing at this point.

Ferguson PD is going to have to go a long way before I trust anything they’ve got to say.

I don’t trust a word the cops say either. But there are agitators (some of the looting done by people from outside the town itself). And I wouldn’t doubt threats at all. Actually, I’d expect them.

This is no win. If the investigation comes back with no wrongdoing, I’d have a hard time buying it (and I’m a 55 YO white woman). If they come back as wrong doing, I doubt a trial will come to anything. I seriously see nothing but bad things in Ferguson’s future. They have systemic issues that a single cop shooting - even if he’s taken to trial, are not going to be resolved.

477 Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2014 9:14:13am

re: #318 Pie-onist Overlord

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Exactly, he looted from my money and is destroying my property with his unpaid cattle grazing. Fucker is looting from me personally.

479 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 9:15:11am

re:
#450

Well, I’ll admit I think the McDonnell prosecution seems rather ticky tack. Strange stuff coming out about his wife and debts and this business dude was certainly a scheister, and the gov’s family definitely got a financial benefit from the relationship, but it doesn’t scream corruption for me. Improper, yes. But not the worst kind of stuff that goes on with all the money in politics.

Still, it’s pretty rich that Robertson and Sekulow who’ve no doubt been beating the Obamas the most corrupt ruthless dictator ever and needs to be impeached and in jail! drums suddenly want to poo pah things when it’s one of their buddies.

480 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 9:15:28am

re: #478 Varek Raith

Even Fox News Host Isn’t Amused By O’Keefe’s Osama Bin Laden Border Crossing Stunt

If I’ve lost Fox News, I’ve lost Middle Wingnut Cosplay America.

481 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:19:29am
482 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 9:19:56am

Well, it’s lunch time in the nation’s capital and although I brought my lunch to work, I’d rather go out and get something.

Except. It looks like the Dome from Stephen King’s book has settled over my block outside. The food trucks and local eateries are probably not happy about this either.

483 Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2014 9:21:18am

re: #481 FemNaziBitch

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Which suggests either that FPD superiors knew/ordered the use of wooden bullets or that their officers are using them without their knowledge. Neither implication looks good for them.

484 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 9:22:14am

One death in Iraq helo crash — the pilot. The rest are various injuries.

485 wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2014 9:22:31am

re: #474 Gus

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I like Adam Serwer. I don’t like Buzzfeed. Didn’t like MSNBC either, so it’s a wash, I guess. Good for him since he’s happy about it.

486 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:22:39am
487 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:22:48am

re: #481 FemNaziBitch

For the uninformed…is there a difference between rubber and wooden bullets? Seem to me that both would hurt equally.

488 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:24:12am

re: #483 Targetpractice

Which suggests either that FPD superiors knew/ordered the use of wooden bullets or that their officers are using them without their knowledge. Neither implication looks good for them.

It makes everybody in an authority position look like nothing but lying goons.

489 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:24:56am

re: #487 Joanne

For the uninformed…is there a difference between rubber and wooden bullets? Seem to me that both would hurt equally.

My first thought is that wooden bullets could splinter and break the skin —and lead to infection.

I don’t think rubber bullets would do that.

490 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:25:57am

my second thought is that the pellets in the picture look like they must come from a rather wide barrel.

Like an antique firearm.

491 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:26:40am

actually, they look like plugs from a whiskey barrel.

492 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:26:58am

re: #487 Joanne

For the uninformed…is there a difference between rubber and wooden bullets? Seem to me that both would hurt equally.

There are whole families of ‘less-lethal’ rounds, from rubber-coated steel to beanbags. ( Each has advantages and problems.) Those wooden blocks seem to have one virtue, they won’t enter the eye socket easily.

493 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 9:28:29am

And there is always this universal truth:

494 FemNaziBitch  Aug 12, 2014 9:29:13am

Well, dogs are taking their mid morning nap—I shall too.

bbl

495 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 9:29:19am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

There are whole families of ‘less-lethal’ rounds, from rubber-coated steel to beanbags. ( Each has advantages and problems.) Those wooden blocks seem to have one virtue, they won’t enter the eye socket easily.

Well, you’re in little danger of accidentally swallowing one, as well.

But damn. They’d probably put a hell of a hurt on you if you got hit by one.

496 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:30:15am

re: #490 FemNaziBitch

my second thought is that the pellets in the picture look like they must come from a rather wide barrel.

Like an antique firearm.

About the size of a 40mm grenade/teargas launcher like an M79.

Image: m79-2.jpg

497 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 9:31:30am

re: #496 Decatur Deb

About the size of a 40mm grenade teargas launcher like an M79.

Image: m79-2.jpg

Wood Baton - 40-mm wooden cylinders (long-range and accurate)

498 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:31:49am

Interesting read.

499 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 12, 2014 9:32:27am

re: #481 FemNaziBitch

You might want to see this

people.howstuffworks.com

Riot Control Rounds
Some of the rounds available to riot-control officers include:
Blunt-force rounds - These rounds cause pain when they strike, but they don’t penetrate the skin. They are often fired at the ground so the round skips off the pavement and strikes the rioters in the legs.
Wood Baton - 40-mm wooden cylinders (long-range and accurate)
Rubber Baton - 40-mm rubber cylinders (long-range and accurate)
Foam Baton - 40-mm foam cylinders (shorter-range because they are so light; they are fired at single aggressors who are getting close enough to the officer to directly threaten him or her) Each baton round is filled with small discs, like little hockey pucks, made of the appropriate material. When officers skip the rounds off the ground in front of rioters, the discs separate from the round and tend to hit multiple targets. Or, if they hit someone directly, the round breaks apart into the separate discs on impact, dissipating a lot of the kinetic energy. It hurts, but it has less chance of doing damage than if it were a solid chunk of the material. The object is to cause enough pain to get the rioter to comply with the officers.
Bean Bag Round - Square-shaped bean bags (long-range, but they tend to be inaccurate; bean-bag rounds geared toward accuracy are teardrop-shaped with tails, not square)

Aiming higher than the ground is one of those dirty tricks that are dangerous and excessive.

500 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 9:32:36am

combinedsystems.com

501 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 9:36:02am

re: #487 Joanne

The wood rounds are sometimes called knee-knockers. They’re fired by someone and are supposed to bounce off the ground first before hitting someone in the lower leg - enough to hurt, but not enough to cause permanent damage.

Rubber bullets have different range characteristics, but are supposed to be nonlethal (even though there are incidents of use that have indeed led to deaths).

502 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:36:26am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

There are whole families of ‘less-lethal’ rounds, from rubber-coated steel to beanbags. ( Each has advantages and problems.) Those wooden blocks seem to have one virtue, they won’t enter the eye socket easily.

Unless it rotates about 30 degrees. Then it looks like a pretty good fit.

Damn shame the original cop didn’t try non-lethal force to start with.

503 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 9:36:51am

Google

504 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:39:36am

re: #501 lawhawk

I saw a lot of pics on twitter last night of people who’d been hit in the face and head. Heckofa bounce.

I don’t get these cops. It’s like they’re purposely doing everything in their power to inflame the situation.

505 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 9:39:42am

re: #502 Joanne

The police version, and what the witnesses claim to have happened are almost diametrically opposed to each other. Until we get to know more - whether it’s video shot by bystanders, other forensic evidence, etc., there’s no way to know for sure exactly what happened and precipitated the death.

All we know for certain is that Brown was unarmed when he was killed. Police do have leeway to use deadly force even when a person is unarmed, and the courts (up to and including the Supreme Court) have given deference to police on this point.

506 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 9:41:30am

re:
#499

Yeah these were the things the police used against the mob of thugs that tried to block the buses of immigrant children in #Murrieta.

Oh wait….

507 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 9:42:11am

re: #504 Joanne

There are multiple police departments now in Ferguson, it’s not entirely clear who’s using what (rubber bullets, wood rounds, pepper rounds, etc.).

508 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:42:47am

re: #504 Joanne

I saw a lot of pics on twitter last night of people who’d been hit in the face and head. Heckofa bounce.

I don’t get these cops. It’s like they’re purposely doing everything in their power to inflame the situation.

The Ferguson police haven’t hit Peak Stupid yet. If they stop now, they make the news. If they don’t, they make history.

509 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:44:23am

re: #505 lawhawk

I’m really struggling with that. I grew up with Officer Friendly and always had utmost respect for police and the very tough job they do. They put their lives on the line to protect me. Then I see Rodney King, pepper spraying sitting students, modified choke holds for selling cigarettes illegally, shooting unarmed kids, etc, etc, etc. And my inner voice becomes nothing but noisy contrasts in my head.

510 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:46:23am

re: #508 Decatur Deb

The Ferguson police haven’t hit Peak Stupid yet. If they stop now, they make the news. If they don’t, they make history.

They’re going to wind up escalating this to deadly levels. Someone with half a brain needs to step in.

Unfortunately, to do what I don’t know.

511 Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2014 9:47:27am

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

512 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:47:34am

re: #509 Joanne

I’m really struggling with that. I grew up with Officer Friendly and always had utmost respect for police and the very tough job they do. They put their lives on the line to protect me. Then I see Rodney King, pepper spraying sitting students, modified choke holds for selling cigarettes illegally, shooting unarmed kids, etc, etc, etc. And my inner voice becomes nothing but noisy contrasts in my head.

You’re too young—you missed the good stuff:

en.wikipedia.org

513 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:48:51am

re: #511 Eventual Carrion

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Wrong amendment. If the brothers were open-carrying ARs and AKs, they could protest at any shopping center in town.

514 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 9:49:00am

re: #509 Joanne

I’m really struggling with that. I grew up with Officer Friendly and always had utmost respect for police and the very tough job they do. They put their lives on the line to protect me. Then I see Rodney King, pepper spraying sitting students, modified choke holds for selling cigarettes illegally, shooting unarmed kids, etc, etc, etc. And my inner voice becomes nothing but noisy contrasts in my head.

We decided that more police = better police protection, not thinking that quantity does not necessarily guarantee quality, and that a few corrupt, poorly trained or thuggish officers can undo the work of a lot of good, conscientious policemen.

515 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 9:49:24am
516 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:53:01am

re: #512 Decatur Deb

You’re too young—you missed the good stuff:

en.wikipedia.org

I’m a born and bred Chicagoan. Lived there almost all my life. And I was indeed too young to remember or understand it. And it never interfered with my understanding of cops as good guys. Even now, as I see some of what’s going on, Officer Friendly still lives on. He’s just a little grayer than he once was. And I’m a little sadder.

517 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 9:53:34am

re: #515 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some context: #Ferguson is 2/3 black. Has a white mayor and mostly white city council. 53 police officers. Only 3 black (2 female, 1 male).

Doesn’t sound like a suburb. Sounds like an internment center.

518 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 9:54:15am

re: #356 makeitstop

The obligatory walkback has started:

Shepard Smith Clarifies and Apologizes for Robin Williams ‘Coward’ Remark

519 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 9:55:13am

re: #511 Eventual Carrion

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Youtube Video

520 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:56:12am

re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We decided that more police = better police protection, not thinking that quantity does not necessarily guarantee quality, and that a few corrupt, poorly trained or thuggish officers can undo the work of a lot of good, conscientious policemen.

That’s the saddest part…the undoing of the concept that cops are supposed to help. Because that’s where “2nd amendment remedies” come into play (SYG, Castle Doctrine, etc.) Where do you turn when cops are no longer the good guys?

521 allegro  Aug 12, 2014 9:57:00am

re: #509 Joanne

I’m really struggling with that. I grew up with Officer Friendly and always had utmost respect for police and the very tough job they do. They put their lives on the line to protect me. Then I see Rodney King, pepper spraying sitting students, modified choke holds for selling cigarettes illegally, shooting unarmed kids, etc, etc, etc. And my inner voice becomes nothing but noisy contrasts in my head.

I have such feelings myself. As an educated, middle/upper middle class white woman I have always been treated kindly and with deference by police officers, even gently when stopped for a traffic violation I was clearly guilty of. I’ve never even gotten a ticket but always sent off with a smile and warning.

This is the definition of privilege. And it makes me very, very angry. Not because I’ve been treated well but because others have not. Every person deserves this same respect and until we all are, none of us are ever safe or living in the egalitarian society our country claims to be.

522 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 9:57:14am

re: #519 William Barnett-Lewis

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

That last phrase gets overlooked a lot, especially in light of secret surveillance. How can you petition for the redress of grievances if you are unaware of the extent to which you have been aggrieved?

523 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 9:58:22am

re:
#518

Keep going…just a little bit more…almost there…

524 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 9:58:43am

Who thinks Teabagger militias are just as bad as ISIS?

525 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 9:58:51am

re: #518 Lidane

The obligatory walkback has started:

Shepard Smith Clarifies and Apologizes for Robin Williams ‘Coward’ Remark

Let me know if they ever get around to discussing mental health issues.

526 BeachDem  Aug 12, 2014 9:59:21am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

I was just thinking about him since he’s another actor who I’ve also felt was also a genuinely good person. He also bowled the first pitch at a Dodgers game.

AND he’s a Democrat—here he is playing at the 2012 Dem Convention (along with brother Beau)

527 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:00:30am
528 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:01:11am
529 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 10:01:20am
530 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 10:01:58am

re: #518 Lidane

The obligatory walkback has started:

Shepard Smith Clarifies and Apologizes for Robin Williams ‘Coward’ Remark

Figures.

531 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 10:03:16am

re: #524 Pie-onist Overlord

Who thinks Teabagger militias are just as bad as ISIS?

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If the government were any weaker they’d be just as bad.

Rabbi Chanina taught: “Pray for the welfare of the government, for without fear of governmental authorities people would swallow each other alive” (3:2).

532 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:03:53am

Tell me that guy in the right front isn’t an ex marine or soldier. He has that drill sergeant look.

533 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 10:04:00am

Wait. What? (No, not Putin.)

534 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 10:05:35am

re: #532 Aunty Entity Dragon

When I was trained in riot control by the National Guard, I’d have gotten an Article 15 for holding my baton like that second officer. smh.

535 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 10:05:50am

re: #533 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Always knew that Vanko was up to no good. /

536 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:06:02am

I am seeing a lot of angry white residents showing up in the protests. Good. I would be there now if I lived close enough.

537 Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2014 10:06:37am

re: #500 Gus

combinedsystems.com

As I said last night, that company is just up the road a few miles from my house. There is a lot of nasty stuff brewing in there. They have had about 3 fires that I know of in the last couple years.

538 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 10:06:44am

re: #535 lawhawk

I don’t get the swastika thing. Is he now a Nazi?

539 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:07:15am

re: #534 William Barnett-Lewis

When I was trained in riot control by the National Guard, I’d have gotten an Article 15 for holding my baton like that second officer. smh.

Portly pornstache cop really looks like he wants to start swinging that baton, doesn’t he?

540 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 10:08:04am

re: #539 Aunty Entity Dragon

Portly pornstache cop really looks like he wants to start swinging that baton, doesn’t he?

And the one right next to (hidden behind) him.

541 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 10:08:59am

SRSLY? How do you “loot” a tattoo?

542 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:10:29am

Welp. Happened again. More or less.

543 Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2014 10:10:57am

re: #541 Pie-onist Overlord

SRSLY? How do you “loot” a tattoo?

Why Wasn’t This Place Looted During The Ferguson Riots…tinyurl.com

Uh. Because it’s about a 10 minute drive away?

(From the ‘net. Needs factchecking.)

544 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 10:11:24am

re: #543 Decatur Deb

Uh. Because it’s about a 10 minute drive away?

(From the ‘net. Needs factchecking.)

It was a good excuse to get out and pose with their guns.

545 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:11:48am
546 Franklin's Tower  Aug 12, 2014 10:12:18am

re: #541 Pie-onist Overlord

SRSLY? How do you “loot” a tattoo?

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Besides the fact that it’s a 10 minute drive. Is the guy on the left wearing a child-size catchers chest-protector?

547 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:12:44am

Police have STILL not interviewed the young man standing next to Michale Brown when this started…!

548 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 10:14:24am

re: #547 Aunty Entity Dragon

Police have STILL not interviewed the young man standing next to Michale Brown when this started…!

That’s because they’re too busy trying to change the subject. They want to go from out of control cops reacting violently to unarmed black kids to out of control cops reacting violently to unarmed black adults.

549 Mattand  Aug 12, 2014 10:16:00am

re: #518 Lidane

The obligatory walkback has started:

Shepard Smith Clarifies and Apologizes for Robin Williams ‘Coward’ Remark

Just keep that in mind when people try to point out Shep Smith as the ‘sane’ one at Fox News.

550 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:16:12am
551 ausador  Aug 12, 2014 10:16:33am
552 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:16:49am

re: #548 Lidane

That’s because they’re too busy trying to change the subject. They want to go from out of control cops reacting violently to unarmed black kids to out of control cops reacting violently to unarmed black adults.

He was made available for questioning the day before yesterday, and the police refused to see him.

This is unfucking real. I have never, ever heard of police refusing to interview a witness to a shooting, and especially when the witness was standing 2 feet away (in his own words he was close enough to touch the officer and Brown)

553 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 10:17:38am

re: #545 Gus

Considering the recent NYPD death by choke hold, apparently non-lethal restraint isn’t an option anymore either.

554 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 10:18:31am

re: #552 Aunty Entity Dragon

He was made available for questioning the day before yesterday, and the police refused to see him.

This is unfucking real. I have never, ever heard of police refusing to interview a witness to a shooting, and especially when the witness was standing 2 feet away (in his own words he was close enough to touch the officer and Brown)

Why would they talk to the one guy who can destroy their narrative?

555 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:18:47am
556 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 10:18:59am

re: #552 Aunty Entity Dragon

It’s possible that the police have to deal with the FBI investigation, and that adds time and confusion over who’s getting interviewed, and when.

That said, witness testimony will be increasingly unreliable the more time passes between the events and when they are done. And that doesn’t help matters at all.

557 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:19:41am
558 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 10:20:03am

re:
#551

hurr hurr I haz Benghazi twibbon, libtard, never4get!!!11 and Bald Eagle!!

559 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 10:21:07am

Focused on the REAL civil rights violation of our day:

Matt Barber Pledges Civil Disobedience To Stop Same-Sex Marriage

Because a happy gay or lesbian couple getting married will lead to the downfall of America.

Unfuckingreal.

560 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:22:08am

re: #556 lawhawk

It’s possible that the police have to deal with the FBI investigation, and that adds time and confusion over who’s getting interviewed, and when.

That said, witness testimony will be increasingly unreliable the more time passes between the events and when they are done. And that doesn’t help matters at all.

It would seem to me that the person standing right there and who heard and saw everything should be the first one you talk to (of course, most police officers have the luxury of taking two days off beforehand and having a union rep present when they go into a use of force hearing…)

561 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 10:22:33am

re:
#559

This is what we’ve been dreading. If Matt Barber by himself, and maybe with Bryan Fischer at his side, do civil disobedience somehow to SSM then SSM will collapse someway.

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562 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:23:38am
563 Timothy Watson  Aug 12, 2014 10:23:40am

re: #560 Aunty Entity Dragon

It would seem to me that the person standing right there and who heard and saw everything should be the first one you talk to (of course, most police officers have the luxury of taking two days off beforehand and having a union rep present when they go into a use of force hearing…)

I’m not sure what you consider “most”, a lot of places, particularly in the South, don’t have unions.

564 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 10:26:10am

Totally O/T but this gave me a much needed smile:

565 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 10:27:20am

re: #552 Aunty Entity Dragon

He was made available for questioning the day before yesterday, and the police refused to see him.

This is unfucking real. I have never, ever heard of police refusing to interview a witness to a shooting, and especially when the witness was standing 2 feet away (in his own words he was close enough to touch the officer and Brown)

All things considered, this kid is probably safer waiting for the FBI.

566 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:28:08am
But we are the dispossessed. We cannot count on the law to protect us. We cannot count on police not to shoot us down in cold blood. We cannot count on politics to be a productive outlet for our rage. We cannot count on prayer to soothe our raging, ragged souls.

This is what I mean when I say that we live in a society that is deeply emotionally dishonest about racism. We hear a story each and every week now about how some overzealous officer has killed another black man, or punched or beaten or choked a black woman. This week we heard two stories - Mike Brown in Missouri and John Crawford in Ohio. These are not isolated incidents. How many cops in how many cities have to murder how many black men — assault how many black women — before we recognize that this shit is not isolated? It is systemic from the top to the bottom.

Every week we are having what my friend Dr. Regina Bradley called #anotherhashtagmemorial. Every week. We are weak. We are tired. Of being punching bags and shooting targets for the police. We are tired of well-meaning white citizens and respectable black ones foreclosing all outlets for rage. We are tired of these people telling us what isn’t the answer.

salon.com

567 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 10:28:18am

oh, this should be amusing…not!

568 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 12, 2014 10:28:30am

BBL

569 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 10:31:04am

DERP

570 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 12, 2014 10:32:30am

A note for the Fergusen cops-You do not get to pretend that filming you is interfering with you.

Paged, slightly tangential.

571 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 10:32:31am

re: #526 BeachDem

AND he’s a Democrat—here he is playing at the 2012 Dem Convention (along with brother Beau)

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I will take The Dude over Chuck Norris any day. :)

572 b_sharp  Aug 12, 2014 10:33:24am

re: #343 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

As does Marx.

If everyone actually read Adam Smith and Karl Marx, both conservatives and Che-T-shirt-wearing activists both, the world would be a better place.

They’re too busy reading Ayn Rand & Ron Paul.

573 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 10:33:33am

re: #561 Bulworth

re:
#559

This is what we’ve been dreading. If Matt Barber by himself, and maybe with Bryan Fischer at his side, do civil disobedience somehow to SSM then SSM will collapse someway.

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How soon after they do that together does the picture of the two of them photoshopped as a bride and groom come out?
//

574 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2014 10:34:11am

awww…confused troll needs a lizardly hug…

575 gwangung  Aug 12, 2014 10:35:51am

re: #572 b_sharp

They’re too busy reading Ayn Rand & Ron Paul.

More like Cliff Notes for Rand.

576 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:36:07am

Officer pointing rifle at unarmed city alderman Antonio French.

577 HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2014 10:36:17am

re: #551 ausador

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No kidding. He did tons for the troops much more than the arm chair patriots.

578 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 12, 2014 10:41:26am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

With you on that. I function at 140% in all parts of my life. Most people I know, work, or play with do not have a clue about the depths of despair I fall into and struggle up out of almost every day. Thank goodness I am egocentric enough to never even momentarily consider killing myself.

579 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 10:41:33am

The RWNJ God is a Dick, Ebola edition:

Janet Parshall: Ebola Is Part Of God’s End Times Judgment

580 Stanley Sea  Aug 12, 2014 10:42:30am

re: #576 Aunty Entity Dragon

Officer pointing rifle at unarmed city alderman Antonio French.

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They are dangerous. Lost their heads. Look at his buddy telling him to put it down or something.

581 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 12, 2014 10:42:40am

re: #569 Pie-onist Overlord

DERP

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Okay, I’ll just have to get that new Holland and Holland double rifle somewhere else.

(No, I will not really be getting one of these.)

582 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 10:42:50am

re: #579 Lidane

Ebola has been around since at least 1976. If that’s God’s form of the End Times Judgment, he’s got a real long long long game plan.

583 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:45:30am

re: #582 lawhawk

Ebola has been around since at least 1976. If that’s God’s form of the End Times Judgment, he’s got a real long long long game plan.

Guess He also gave up on the plague. //

584 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 10:45:57am

Wingnut pretending to give a shit about murder victims in Chicago.

585 TedStriker  Aug 12, 2014 10:46:13am

re: #565 Joanne

All things considered, this kid is probably safer waiting for the FBI.

Yeah, at this point, I wouldn’t discount the witness “having an accident” or something along those lines while talking with the Ferguson police.

586 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:46:15am

removed.

587 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 10:47:42am

re: #579 Lidane

The RWNJ God is a Dick, Ebola edition:

Janet Parshall: Ebola Is Part Of God’s End Times Judgment

To be fair, that’s exactly what the New Testament God does in the end.

588 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:48:01am

re: #584 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut pretending to give a shit about murder victims in Chicago.

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Partof their white man’s burden to civilize the unconstructed savages narrative.

589 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 10:48:10am

re:
#579

Methane in water? No problem. EBOLA!!!!!111

/

590 Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2014 10:48:26am

re: #559 Lidane

Focused on the REAL civil rights violation of our day:

Matt Barber Pledges Civil Disobedience To Stop Same-Sex Marriage

Because a happy gay or lesbian couple getting married will lead to the downfall of America.

Unfuckingreal.

Barber has nothing else to do, I guess. He must know that he’s on the losing side of this issue.

591 jaunte  Aug 12, 2014 10:48:35am

re: #584 Pie-onist Overlord

Craig Allen continues his lifelong refusal to apologize for white on white crime.

592 wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2014 10:49:16am
593 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:50:22am

I honestly don’t know if I should just take that tweet down or not. I think people need to understand what the racists are doing out there, but I do not want to pollute LGF like that.

Shall I take it down?

594 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 10:50:32am

re: #586 Aunty Entity Dragon

Presented for you perusal. Unfortunately.

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Looks like a parody acct, but sucks anyway.

595 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2014 10:50:37am

re: #592 wrenchwench

looks like an alien/frog hybrid

596 Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2014 10:50:59am

re: #549 Mattand

Just keep that in mind when people try to point out Shep Smith as the ‘sane’ one at Fox News.

The bar is so dang low that saying he is the sane one doesn’t mean much. Shame on him for even going there when people are in shock over Robin’s death.

597 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 10:51:08am

re: #593 Aunty Entity Dragon

I honestly don’t know if I should just take that tweet down or not. I think people need to understand what the racists are doing out there, but I do not want to pollute LGF like that.

Shall I take it down?

Only 1 follower.

598 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:51:16am
599 Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2014 10:51:24am

re: #579 Lidane

The RWNJ God is a Dick, Ebola edition:

Janet Parshall: Ebola Is Part Of God’s End Times Judgment

That’s because the RWNJ “God” is this chap:

600 wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2014 10:52:26am

re: #589 Bulworth

re:
#579

Methane in water? No problem. EBOLA!!!!!111

/

601 Kragar  Aug 12, 2014 10:52:45am

re: #599 Dr Lizardo

That’s because the RWNJ “God” is this chap:

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Please do not equate a Great Old One to the bag of dicks that Evangelical’s invoke.

602 makeitstop  Aug 12, 2014 10:53:16am

re: #598 Gus

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I’ll bet if someone digs deep enough, they’ll start finding some shit on a lot of people in Ferguson.

603 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 10:53:21am

re: #599 Dr Lizardo

That’s because the RWNJ “God” is this chap:

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So Ebola is simply a food tenderizer?
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604 Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2014 10:53:31am

re: #593 Aunty Entity Dragon

I honestly don’t know if I should just take that tweet down or not. I think people need to understand what the racists are doing out there, but I do not want to pollute LGF like that.

Shall I take it down?

Unfortunately, I think we already know what the racists are saying without actually reading what they are saying. Their crap doesn’t change and has been the same for the last 400 plus years.

605 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:54:36am

re: #598 Gus

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Why am I not surprised.

City is 2/3 black but the mayor, most of the other offices and 95% of the police force are white.

Sounds like Hickstick Alabama, 1958.

606 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 10:55:03am

re: #604 Patricia Kayden

Unfortunately, I think we already know what the racists are saying without actually reading what they are saying. Their crap doesn’t change and has been the same for the last 400 plus years.

More like 40,000 years since it’s always been how the tribe in the next forest or valley over is sub-human or “uncivilized” and deserves to be attacked and exterminated.

607 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 10:55:48am

re: #604 Patricia Kayden
I removed it.

608 Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2014 10:55:50am

re: #601 Kragar

Please do not equate a Great Old One to the bag of dicks that Evangelical’s invoke.

Mea culpa.

But in some seriousness, much of what Christian Fundies consider to be “Christianity” seems to me to have infinitely more in common with LaVeyan Satanism than it does with the actual Christian faith.

609 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:56:16am

re: #605 Aunty Entity Dragon

Why am I not surprised.

City is 2/3 black but the mayor, most of the other offices and 95% of the police force are white.

Sounds like Hickstick Alabama, 1958.

IT’S JUST HISTORIC MEMORABILIA!!11ty

610 Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2014 10:56:16am

re: #603 Feline Fearless Leader

So Ebola is simply a food tenderizer?
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Hamburger Human Helper.

611 Kragar  Aug 12, 2014 10:56:23am
612 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 10:56:59am

re:
#611

I’ll take “Less Government, Moar Freedom” for $500, Alex.

613 jaunte  Aug 12, 2014 10:57:19am

re: #611 Kragar

Two votes for pregnant mothers.

614 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 10:58:39am

re: #598 Gus

Seems like a perfectly normal thing. Case of Pabst Blue Ribbon in the background, along with a Confederate Flag.

Nothing to see here. Move along…. /

615 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 10:58:53am

re: #608 Dr Lizardo

Mea culpa.

But in some seriousness, much of what Christian Fundies consider to be “Christianity” seems to me to have infinitely more in common with LaVeyan Satanism than it does with the actual Christian faith.

I don’t think there is “the” actual Christian faith. Christianity is what the Christians believe…

616 Romantic Heretic  Aug 12, 2014 10:59:25am

re: #511 Eventual Carrion

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

You know the Founders meant to have ‘white, Christian, property owning men’ in all the Amendments.

They just didn’t do it because they didn’t see the need to say something everybody knew.

617 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 10:59:34am
618 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 11:00:05am

re: #615 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t think there is “the” actual Christian faith. Christianity is what Christians believe…

That is the point that our Founding Fathers were wise enough to understand and frame in the Establishment Clause.

619 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 11:00:05am

re: #617 Gus

The frogurt is also cursed.
/

620 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 12, 2014 11:00:21am

re: #609 Gus

It seems anonymous has hacked police computers, phones, cameras etc and is releasing stuff like that picture.

I am not going to shed any tears for the police on this.

621 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2014 11:00:22am

re: #615 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t think there is “the” actual Christian faith. Christianity is what Christians believe…

and then you get into different groups of Christians with separate beliefs, denominations and such. Organized religion can be very selective sometimes.

622 Joanne  Aug 12, 2014 11:01:19am
623 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2014 11:01:25am

You know what the sickest part of this Ferguson mess is? I can guarantee you not one single officer will ever be charged or convicted of anything over it.

624 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 11:02:33am

re: #621 Eclectic Cyborg

and then you get into different groups of Christians with separate beliefs, denominations and such. Organized religion can be very selective sometimes.

But Islam is a Monolith, right?

/

625 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 11:03:46am

There is no standard by which to judge what actual Christianity is. It sure can’t be the Bible, which is both contradictory and always needs to be interpreted anyway. So, all Christianity is actual.

626 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 11:03:58am

re: #624 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But Islam is a Monolith, right?

/

Yep. You stroke it a few times and then go pick up an antelope thigh bone and start killing things.
///

627 b_sharp  Aug 12, 2014 11:04:04am

re: #518 Lidane

The obligatory walkback has started:

Shepard Smith Clarifies and Apologizes for Robin Williams ‘Coward’ Remark

“I would just to apologize to the end of the earth to anyone who might think that I meant to openly call him a coward”

I suspect he really does think people who attempt suicide are cowards.

628 Kragar  Aug 12, 2014 11:04:10am

re: #615 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t think there is “the” actual Christian faith. Christianity is what the Christians believe…

There is the Roman Catholic Church and there are splitters.
/

629 Lidane  Aug 12, 2014 11:04:24am

re: #623 Eclectic Cyborg

You know what the sickest part of this Ferguson mess is? I can guarantee you not one single officer will ever be charged or convicted of anything over it.

They will, however, get sued to hell and back for using tear gas on people who had the gall to stand in their own yards.

630 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 11:05:23am

re: #628 Kragar

There is the Roman Catholic Church and there are splitters.
/

RCC heretics are the schismatics, Eastern Orthodoxy for the win!

631 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 12, 2014 11:05:29am

re: #628 Kragar

There is the Roman Catholic Church my particular denomination and there are splitters heretics.
/

632 wrenchwench  Aug 12, 2014 11:05:48am
633 Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2014 11:06:11am

re: #626 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. You stroke it a few times and then go pick up an antelope thigh bone and start killing things.
///

634 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 12, 2014 11:06:29am

Oh and then I forgot about Liberal churches and Conservative churches and centrist Churches. More divergent beliefs.

635 Bulworth  Aug 12, 2014 11:06:44am

re:
#631

There is my One True Irrefutable Faith and there are Unbelievers.

636 lawhawk  Aug 12, 2014 11:06:53am

re: #624 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Depends on the monolith you worship.

Image: 2001-monolith-monkeys.gif

637 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 12, 2014 11:07:50am

Ferguson needs a well-organized community voter registration drive done. Maybe with initial outside help, but it will have to be owned and sustained by the residents. Along with a set of decent candidates that have a chance to house clean the city political structure and police department. Right now the wedge between the citizenry and the police is huge and with the lack of trust and accompanying fear things will just get worse.

638 Kragar  Aug 12, 2014 11:08:02am

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off.

So I ran over and said “Stop! don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said.

I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” He said, “Like what?”

I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?” He said, “Religious.”

I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?” He said, “Christian.”

I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?” He said, “Protestant.”

I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?” He said, “Baptist!”

I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?” He said, “Baptist church of god!”

I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?” He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!”

I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!”

I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off.

— Emo Phillips

639 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 12, 2014 11:09:40am
He shook it off impatiently and went through the inner doors. Now he was standing at the back of the church itself, and as he looked towards the nave, he felt fear close around his heart and squeeze tightly. His breath drew in, loud in the pregnant silence of this place.

The space behind the pulpit was dominated by a gigantic portrait of Christ, and Burt thought: If nothing else in this town gave Vicky the screaming meemies, this would.

The Christ was grinning, vulpine. His eyes were wide and staring, reminding Burt uneasily of Lon Chaney in The Phantom of the Opera. In each of the wide black pupils someone (a sinner, presumably) was drowning in a lake of fire. But the oddest thing was that this Christ had green hair hair which on closer examination revealed itself to be a twining mass of early-summer corn. The picture was crudely done but effective. It looked like a comic-strip mural done by a gifted child - an Old Testament Christ, or a pagan Christ that might slaughter his sheep for sacrifice instead of leading them.

[…]

There was a large Bible on the lectern, opened to the thirty-eighth chapter of Job. Burt glanced down at it and read: ‘Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? … Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.’ The lord. He Who Walks Behind the Rows. Declare if thou hast understanding. And please pass the corn.

He fluttered the pages of the Bible, and they made a dry whispering sound in the quiet - the sound that ghosts might make if there really were such things. And in a place like this you could almost believe it. Sections of the Bible had been chopped out. Mostly from the New Testament, he saw. Someone had decided to take on the job of amending Good King James with a pair of scissors.

But the Old Testament was intact.

640 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 12, 2014 11:13:17am
641 abolitionist  Aug 12, 2014 11:18:50am

re: #487 Joanne

For the uninformed…is there a difference between rubber and wooden bullets? Seem to me that both would hurt equally.

To a first approximation, I’d say that is true, assuming they are the same mass, and impacting with the same velocity. The same amount of energy would be absorbed by a soft-tissue target.

However, for a wooden projectile, soft tissue at the point of impact sustains more extreme deformation. Therefore, more of the total damage tends to be localized there.

With a rubber projectile, because the rubber can (temporarily) deform, the surface tissue deforms less (than with wood), so there may be less damage at the point of impact— damage which can be easily seen. However, there is likely to be more unseen damage deeper into the soft tissue.

For impacts to heads, the situation is different. There is typically little room for deformation at the point of impact, but the kinetic energy must be dissipated somewhere. A rubber projectile is actually more likely to cause a serious (but hidden) concussion-type injury to the brain.
—BS in Physics

642 Gus  Aug 12, 2014 11:27:07am

re: #617 Gus

[Embedded content]

Again. Confederate flag in St. Louis County Police Department Chief Jon Belmar home and not Ferguson chief Tom Jackson’s home.

643 alpuz  Aug 12, 2014 11:30:08am

re: #637 Feline Fearless Leader

That and Gene Hackman.

644 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2014 11:55:03am

re: #642 Gus

Again. Confederate flag in St. Louis County Police Department Chief Jon Belmar home and not Ferguson chief Tom Jackson’s home.

Well that makes all this shit going down ok then!

(Not a dig on you at all Gus)

645 Teukka  Aug 12, 2014 1:17:24pm

re: #601 Kragar

Please do not equate a Great Old One to the bag of dicks that Evangelical’s invoke.

Yeah. Y’all know how cranky the Great Old Ones are when awoken.


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