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1 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:47:09pm

Ahh, that fresh thread smell...

2 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:50:40pm

It's nice to see some good solid right hand technique.

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:02:26pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

It's nice to see some good solid right hand technique.

Towner's technique is very correct, that's for sure. He also plays a mean 12-string, and is a very good pianist.

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:08:39pm

re: #3 Charles

That reminds me that I have a lovely Guild 12 string that hasn't been out if its case for years. I ought to dig that thing out one of these days.

5 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:08:54pm

Lovely.

6 mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:17:00pm

A beautiful song and flawless performance. And its a minor thing but I like the slight echo they mixed in, it makes the sound so much fuller than the straight signal. Gives it kind of an eerie texture..

7 wee fury  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:17:45pm

So good.

8 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:20:32pm

Mmmmm I love his work. "Blue Sun" has saved my sanity more than once. I don't have his album though - must fix.

Thank you.

William

9 mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:21:07pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

That reminds me that I have a lovely Guild 12 string that hasn't been out if its case for years. I ought to dig that thing out one of these days.

You can play Supertramp songs!

10 ryannon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:23:08pm

And now for something really different: a slide-show of Edward Hopper's paintings to the music of The Blue Nile while waiting for the thread to fill up a bit:

11 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:26:15pm

re: #9 mich-again

Hear my train coming

12 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:28:35pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Hear my train coming

Awesome.

13 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:30:27pm

re: #12 cliffster

I've always loved that clip because it shows what a shy person he really was at heart. Very endearing.

14 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:34:51pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I've always loved that clip because it shows what a shy person he really was at heart. Very endearing.

You're right about that. And then there's the guitar skilz. I love him doing blues, like in this song. For all the creativity in his songwriting, I think it's the way he added layers to the simple stuff that showed his genius.

15 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:44:00pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout
That was nice. Funny while he was sitting there singing about waiting for a train, the video showed him hanging out in a limo burning one with a couple groupies.

16 wee fury  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:45:52pm

Stephen Bennett - Sea Rose Beach

17 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:45:55pm

Acoustic version:


Angel


- Jimi Hendrix
18 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:46:27pm

May This Be Love

19 ryannon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:52:14pm

Contrarian music: David Sylvain, Let the Happiness In

The melancholy joys of junk. Few people have ever said it better:

20 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:53:46pm

re: #3 Charles

Towner's technique is very correct, that's for sure. He also plays a mean 12-string, and is a very good pianist.

Charles, did you turn off the ability to ding you up or down?

21 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:55:42pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

Charles, did you turn off the ability to ding you up or down?

Still works for me...

22 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:56:33pm

re: #21 talon_262

Still works for me...

Correction: Charles can't be dinged...

23 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:00:38pm

Thanks Charles for some much needed guitar. It soothes this headached one! And to help even more, here's Garcia and Grisman playing Arabia.

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:03:00pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

Charles, did you turn off the ability to ding you up or down?

Yes, I added some code today to disable rating my comments, after some people suggested it might be a good way to promote other LGF commenters.

25 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

in bed.

26 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:04:34pm

re: #24 Charles

Yes, I added some code today to disable rating my comments, after some people suggested it might be a good way to promote other LGF commenters.

That's cool...

27 ryannon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:06:36pm

More sweet contrarian nothings: a walk down Nihilist Lane with a rare track from the Velvet Underground. That good old NYC late 60s sound, and the calm before the storm...

28 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:07:24pm

Shows over... any questions?

29 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:07:43pm

re: #24 Charles

Yes, I added some code today to disable rating my comments, after some people suggested it might be a good way to promote other LGF commenters.

Thanks letting me know.

30 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:08:09pm

This thread seems to be hiccuping a bit. The comments go from 1 to 22 and then start at 1 again. Odd.

31 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:08:49pm

Ah, hitting ye olde refresh button helpeth!

32 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:12:35pm

Love the video, superb. Appropriate for a rainy night with warm southerly flow aloft.

33 ryannon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:17:48pm

The Belgian surrealist Paul Delvaux's works set to the haunting music of Wim Mertons:

34 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:18:42pm

Speaking of music, I'm getting psyched for tomorrow's Apple unveiling. Not that I'll run out and buy one (of their new devices, whatever it is called) - I don't even have an iPhone or iPod, but I do use iTunes store on occasion and it will be interesting to see how Apple affects the media business in general.

The advent of iTunes certainly has made ripples in the recording industry "wa"

Will the new device do to print and video what iTunes/iPod did to music?

(Some people might object and claim that Apple did not invent the mp3 or mobile music player, but their industrial design and overall system integration and business philosophy won the day. )

35 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:28:30pm

From the British music scene's dark ages comes - Alvin Stardust :

36 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:29:34pm

Speaking of Apple, looks like they will be trying to expand out of the "hip" market and begin targeting the wingnuts:

Fox TV series ‘24’ to feature Apple tablet

"Corroborating a number of earlier rumors, the Fox TV series 24 is reportedly set to feature an Apple tablet in one of the upcoming episodes, according to several tweets published by the show's director of photography, Rodney Charters," MacNN reports.

"The device, referred to by Charters as the iSlate, will allegedly be utilized by the main character, Jack Bauer," MacNN reports. "'Got a bit too excited probably more likely Episode 22 but Apple provided fingers crossed,' Charters said."

37 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:30:45pm

re: #35 Jimmah

From the British music scene's dark ages comes - Alvin Stardust :


[Video]

Why does that dude look a bit like the Hoff (before the Hoff was the Hoff)?

;-P

38 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:30:58pm

And here is our Alvin again, teaching kids how to cross the road safely :

39 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:31:56pm

re: #36 freetoken

Speaking of Apple, looks like they will be trying to expand out of the "hip" market and begin targeting the wingnuts:

Are all 24 watchers wingnuts?

40 ryannon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:32:39pm

Beautiful losers: Chelsea Girl Nico, with one of her very best tracks, courtesy of Jackson Browne:

41 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:33:14pm

re: #39 Bagua

Are all 24 watchers wingnuts?

I can't be a wingnut then. I stopped watching "24" three years ago, after they blew the nuke near LA. That was a Shark Jumping to End All Shark Jumps.

42 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:33:45pm

A quick skim of the wingnut blogs is showing very little support for the idiots busted wire tapping phones. Kind of surprising given the support for racists and right wing crackpots which has become common. A lot of deflection trying to protect Andrew Breitbart and trying to deflect with new Ellie Light "revelations". Kudos to the wingnuts for not choosing the worst possible reaction to a breaking story.

43 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:34:58pm

re: #39 Bagua

Are all 24 watchers wingnuts?

No, and I didn't say so.

However, I gather that the Fox empire is the #1 media source in wingnutville, and that "24" is one of their favorite shows.

44 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:35:49pm

re: #41 Alouette

Heh, the Bablyon 5 storyline includes San Diego being nuked as a key part of the history of Earth.

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:35:55pm

re: #43 freetoken

Back in 2004 or so LGF used to go dead when 24 was on. Very popular.

46 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:38:37pm

re: #37 talon_262

Why does that dude look a bit like the Hoff (before the Hoff was the Hoff)?

;-P

The Hoff nicked his look, it seems.

47 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:38:52pm

Thank you for the lovely music, Charles. Today was a booger of a day, so I needed it.

48 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:40:32pm

re: #44 freetoken

Heh, the Bablyon 5 storyline includes San Diego being nuked as a key part of the history of Earth.

Yeah but, "24" is not futuristic, it's supposed to be contemporary. You can get away with "alternative history" in futuristic or sci-fi scenarios but not in a contemporary series.

49 ryannon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:41:04pm

Written by Bob Dylan for Nico, I'll Keep It With Mine. Can you say impeccable phrasing?

50 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:42:44pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Back in 2004 or so LGF used to go dead when 24 was on. Very popular.

I still like that show. The current season is fairly good. Being off the air in 2008 actually helped the show by giving it time to come up with new storylines.

51 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:50:47pm

re: #41 Alouette

I can't be a wingnut then. I stopped watching "24" three years ago, after they blew the nuke near LA. That was a Shark Jumping to End All Shark Jumps.

A nuke could go off - I could buy that. What I couldn't buy was the constant kidnappings of his daughter by a whole assortment of disparate groups. And then she finally escaped, only to be trapped by a bunch of mountain lions. That's just laughing in your viewers faces.

52 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:51:24pm

OT: Senators Keith Ellison and Jim McDermott and 59 other signatories have called for President Obama to pressure Israel (and Egypt) to lift the siege on Gaza. Other signatories include: John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, John Dingell, Loretta Sanchez, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters. J Street and also signed on.

53 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:51:45pm

re: #51 Jimmah

A nuke could go off - I could buy that. What I couldn't buy was the constant kidnappings of his daughter by a whole assortment of disparate groups. And then she finally escaped, only to be trapped by a bunch of mountain lions. That's just laughing in your viewers faces.

She engineered all those kidnappings herself, because it was the only way she could get Daddy's attention.

/

54 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:52:55pm

re: #52 Stuart Leviton

OT: Senators Keith Ellison and Jim McDermott and 59 other signatories have called for President Obama to pressure Israel (and Egypt) to lift the siege on Gaza. Other signatories include: John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, John Dingell, Loretta Sanchez, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters. J Street and also signed on.

In other words, the usual suspects...

55 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:53:19pm

re: #43 freetoken

No, and I didn't say so.

However, I gather that the Fox empire is the #1 media source in wingnutville, and that "24" is one of their favorite shows.

And MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, HBO & the BBC are all very popular in Moonbatville, so I suppose they have more to choose from.

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:53:59pm

re: #53 Alouette

She engineered all those kidnappings herself, because it was the only way she could get Daddy's attention.

/

Well at least it ended differently last season, when Kim put the terrorist sent to kill her in a body bag.

57 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:54:38pm

re: #52 Stuart Leviton

OT: Senators Keith Ellison and Jim McDermott and 59 other signatories have called for President Obama to pressure Israel (and Egypt) to lift the siege on Gaza. Other signatories include: John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, John Dingell, Loretta Sanchez, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters. J Street and also signed on.

Those two are Congressmen, not Senators.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:55:20pm

re: #52 Stuart Leviton

OT: Senators Keith Ellison and Jim McDermott and 59 other signatories have called for President Obama to pressure Israel (and Egypt) to lift the siege on Gaza. Other signatories include: John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, John Dingell, Loretta Sanchez, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters. J Street and also signed on.

Prediction: Obama will ignore them, since even he knows that Hamas must be contained.

59 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:56:39pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I still like that show. The current season is fairly good. Being off the air in 2008 actually helped the show by giving it time to come up with new storylines.

And more time for us suckers to chomp at the bit for a new season.

60 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:59:59pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Well at least it ended differently last season, when Kim put the terrorist sent to kill her in a body bag.

Like father, like daughter...

///

61 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:01:02pm

re: #39 Bagua

As anybody who knows me knows, I hate that show. Even West Point had to tell Fox to stop their main character always getting the "truth" (just in a nick of time of course!) out of the perp by using torture. New students were coming in spouting off 24 nonsense instead of what the Army actually teaches. They had to unteach them that crap before they could teach them what the Army field manual actually stipulates. Aargh!

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:05:17pm

re: #61 Irenicum

As anybody who knows me knows, I hate that show. Even West Point had to tell Fox to stop their main character always getting the "truth" (just in a nick of time of course!) out of the perp by using torture. New students were coming in spouting off 24 nonsense instead of what the Army actually teaches. They had to unteach them that crap before they could teach them what the Army field manual actually stipulates. Aargh!

That's just another testament to the power of Hollywood. Movies and TV shape people's perceptions, even if they might otherwise know better.

63 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:06:13pm

Yesterday HP uploaded a video to Youtube, of what they will position as the competitor to Apple's product:

I suspect (strongly) that the Apple product will be better integrated into the grand suite of other Apple devices, or even other brand's devices.

64 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:08:11pm

re: #63 freetoken

But the HP might work better with Windows, thus giving it an edge with businesses.

65 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:08:14pm

re: #51 Jimmah

A nuke could go off - I could buy that. What I couldn't buy was the constant kidnappings of his daughter by a whole assortment of disparate groups. And then she finally escaped, only to be trapped by a bunch of mountain lions. That's just laughing in your viewers faces.

I know. The plots were a bit too circular for such a high budget

66 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:10:12pm

re: #61 Irenicum


Heh. I suppose it is every educators challenge to teach their students how to differentiate between real life and a TV show.

67 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:13:00pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Well yes, that would be their strategy. The HP "slate" (and if HP goes ahead and uses that term it will only reinforce Apple, as Apple owns the trademark on "iSlate") will be positioned as a Win 7 mobile machine and thus will be at home in the corporate IT departments, most of which will have been standardized to Win 7 this year.

68 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:13:55pm

Her are two links just to confirm what I mentioned a moment ago. I'm amazed (but not really) at how powerful perception is. West Point instructors became alarmed over how many students were coming in believing this was US policy and was OK. They had to constantly remind these students that no, this wasn't OK, it was illegal according to US law and Army regulations.

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:15:30pm

re: #66 Bagua

Heh. I suppose it is every educators challenge to teach their students how to differentiate between real life and a TV show.

Educator? Try being a parent:

In real, life, sweetie:

Top female athletes do not have the hair and face of Marilyn Monroe.

People do not hate each other, then fall passionately in love.

Pregnancies do happen even when it wasn't written into the script.

And, most importantly...

Children actually usually do not know better than their parents. It happens, but not as often as the movies.

70 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:16:56pm

re: #69 EmmmieG

Funny, sad, and true!

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:21:19pm

re: #69 EmmmieG

Educator? Try being a parent:

In real, life, sweetie:

Top female athletes do not have the hair and face of Marilyn Monroe.

People do not hate each other, then fall passionately in love.

Pregnancies do happen even when it wasn't written into the script.

And, most importantly...

Children actually usually do not know better than their parents. It happens, but not as often as the movies.

Actually...whatever Michelle Bachmann might think...life has no chief scriptwriter who makes things happen just right. It's just you, a little bit of fate, and a whole lot of choices.

72 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:22:32pm

12 more hours until the tyranny of ⓆⓌⒺⓇⓉ ⓎⓊⒾⓄⓟ comes to an end.

73 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:23:42pm

re: #72 freetoken

12 more hours until the tyranny of ⓆⓌⒺⓇⓉ ⓎⓊⒾⓄⓟ comes to an end.

What do you mean?

74 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:24:19pm

re: #69 EmmmieG

Werd, EmmieG

75 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:26:43pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

The Apple device is supposed to be not only touch but gesture driven, maybe even proximity driven (i.e., you don't have to actually touch the screen - the patent was officially awarded yesterday by the patent office to Apple.) It will be meant to be used without the standard typewriter layout (qwertyuiop for short).

Oh, it will probably have a software keyboard as an option, should you have an application that really needs it, but that will not be the main design goal of the applications.

76 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:30:09pm

re: #75 freetoken

The Apple device is supposed to be not only touch but gesture driven, maybe even proximity driven (i.e., you don't have to actually touch the screen - the patent was officially awarded yesterday by the patent office to Apple.) It will be meant to be used without the standard typewriter layout (qwertyuiop for short).

Oh, it will probably have a software keyboard as an option, should you have an application that really needs it, but that will not be the main design goal of the applications.

Everything will be just a couple of hundred clicks away!

77 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:32:05pm

re: #75 freetoken

The Apple device is supposed to be not only touch but gesture driven, maybe even proximity driven (i.e., you don't have to actually touch the screen - the patent was officially awarded yesterday by the patent office to Apple.) It will be meant to be used without the standard typewriter layout (qwertyuiop for short).

Oh, it will probably have a software keyboard as an option, should you have an application that really needs it, but that will not be the main design goal of the applications.

I know all about that sort of system. Sprint sells the Palm PRe, which uses gestures quite extensively. As for me, I prefer non-touchscreen devices. I'm somewhat old-fashioned and prefer a keyboard.

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:35:02pm

Wow. This thread is dead. It's so dead it's about to go zombie....


Brainzz.....

(Okay, enough silliness. I'm off to bed.)

79 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:35:48pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

The hardcore are venting their collective spleens downstairs.

Up here in the clouds, we're dreaming of cloud-computing tablet devices.

80 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:37:29pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

Wow. This thread is dead. It's so dead it's about to go zombie...

Brainzz...

(Okay, enough silliness. I'm off to bed.)

Normally I would be fast asleep at this time, but I'm in LA and I'm on vacation. Going to see "Avatar" tomorrow. My mother is not coming with me.

81 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:47:05pm

re: #80 Alouette

Sorry that it rained on your vacation. But, it probably helped clear the air a bit.

82 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:48:09pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Those two are Congressmen, not Senators.

Thanks for the correction DF.

Sixty-one Democrats signed the letter out of two-hundred and fifty six Democrats, i.e., 1/4 of the Democrat party is anti-Israel. Sheesh.

83 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:48:23pm

Ah, peace and quiet.

84 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:49:23pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Ah, peace and quiet.

Teabagging and human filth. So there.

85 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:49:44pm

re: #84 cliffster

Teabagging and human filth. So there.

Stop it!

/

86 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:50:28pm

re: #85 Gus 802

Bwaa ha ha ha and oral sex

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:51:33pm

re: #53 Alouette

She engineered all those kidnappings herself, because it was the only way she could get Daddy's attention.

/

Wouldn't be a bit surprised.

88 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:51:38pm

re: #86 cliffster

Bwaa ha ha ha and oral sex

I guess from now on it's cool if I link to some hot looking babes from time to time?

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:52:14pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Prediction: Obama will ignore them, since even he knows that Hamas must be contained.

They already know that. This is freeby lefty points for them.

90 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:53:44pm

re: #88 Gus 802

When was that not ok?

91 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:54:37pm

re: #90 cliffster

When was that not ok?

Oh, I don't know. Probably just my own self-consciousness speaking.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:56:06pm

Goin' to bed.

93 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:56:40pm

"Pastor" run amok:


‘I whipped him so as to teach him manners’

Captain Ramotswedi Ngakane of Itsoseng, near Lichtenburg, claims he was assaulted when he demanded his children back from a local pastor.

Ngakane, 38, says he returned from peacekeeping duties in the Democratic Republic of Congo a week ago to find that his children were living with the pastor of the Grace of God is Power Church.

He also alleges that his children were physically and emotionally abused by his former church leader.

Ngakane claims that on Saturday he was assaulted with bricks, garden forks and sjamboks by Pastor Mmatli Mmokwa and some members of the church when he tried to rescue his children, who were given to the church by his wife.

He says his estranged wife, Matshediso, did not only give his children to the church two years ago, but also their household goods and his brand new car .
I was led to believe that I was possessed by demons and if I donated my earthly possessions to the church my soul would be purified.

“But the pain and suffering my children endured at the hands of the pastor and his wife made me realise that I should not have let them go in the first place,” said Ngakane.

He added that his wife gave the church their R17000 savings .

Ngakane has laid assault charges against Mmokwa .
Mmokwa confirmed that he assaulted Ngakane but insisted he had only used the whip to discipline him.

[...]

Heh... corporal punishment for adults. Spare the whip, spoil the sinner.

94 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:57:08pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Goin' to bed.

Night, SFZ

95 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:01:30pm

Ugh. No new episode of House on Hulu yet.

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:02:30pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

They already know that. This is freeby lefty points for them.

It also makes them assholes for seeking an action that would simply result in Israelis being murdered. The Congresspeople who signed that letter are no better than Nazi sympathizers urging their neighbors to turn in Jews.

/Fell free to call me onto the carpet if that is a Godwin's Law violation

97 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:02:57pm

Quid-pro-quo-a-palooza.

98 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:04:04pm

re: #97 Gus 802

Quid-pro-quo-a-palooza.

Heh. I miss House. I haven't even seen any of the new season yet. Have to get Jimmah-ski into it...

99 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:04:54pm

re: #98 iceweasel

Heh. I miss House. I haven't even seen any of the new season yet. Have to get Jimmah-ski into it...

Might take time. I didn't like it at first and now I love it. Same with The Office.

100 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:06:11pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

It also makes them assholes for seeking an action that would simply result in Israelis being murdered. The Congresspeople who signed that letter are no better than Nazi sympathizers urging their neighbors to turn in Jews.

/Feel free to call me onto the carpet if that is a Godwin's Law violation

PIMF

101 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:07:33pm

re: #99 Gus 802

Might take time. I didn't like it at first and now I love it. Same with The Office.

The Office is great! I didn't like the US one at first partly because I'd loved the UK one. They're both excellent but very different. Kind of an interesting comparison to make too, in terms of differences in trans-atlantic sensibilities... I think you'd like the UK one.
I'm kind of off the Office a bit now since the wedding.

102 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:08:58pm

re: #24 Charles

Yes, I added some code today to disable rating my comments, after some people suggested it might be a good way to promote other LGF commenters.

This is awesome! I also posted on the subject in one thread and nobody replied and nobody dinged and I started doubting the wisdom of tossing out suggestions that may be none of my business. So I don't know if you ever noticed that post, but I like that the blog owner is set apart in that way. Since then, I've tried to remember to ding the articles that I read or participate in since I didn't ding your thread comments. And though I didn't include this reason when I originally piped up about it, the fact that we can't upding your comments takes the "kiss-up" label off the Lizards it's sometimes applied to.

103 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:11:34pm

re: #101 iceweasel

The Office is great! I didn't like the US one at first partly because I'd loved the UK one. They're both excellent but very different. Kind of an interesting comparison to make too, in terms of differences in trans-atlantic sensibilities... I think you'd like the UK one.
I'm kind of off the Office a bit now since the wedding.

Ah. They had a Christmas special with the wedding of "Jim" and "Pam." That was a great episode. Now they have Jim and "Michael" are co-managers which adds an interesting dynamic and contrasting comic styles. It's almost like Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis so to speak with Jim being the more anchored personality.

104 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:18:51pm

A British show that I was very happy to see appear on Hulu was Spaced. Tim and Daisy are played by Simon Pegg and Jessica Stevenson and there are two seasons of it. I remember KT said he caught some episodes but don't know if he ended up seeing all. Weird funny stuff!

105 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:23:00pm
106 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:29:25pm

re: #72 freetoken

12 more hours until the tyranny of ⓆⓌⒺⓇⓉ ⓎⓊⒾⓄⓟ comes to an end.

End the Cultural Hegemony of the Dominant Keypads!

107 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:29:29pm

re: #104 Silvergirl

A British show that I was very happy to see appear on Hulu was Spaced. Tim and Daisy are played by Simon Pegg and Jessica Stevenson and there are two seasons of it. I remember KT said he caught some episodes but don't know if he ended up seeing all. Weird funny stuff!

Hulu has some good old movies too. Latest one I saw was Dodsworth from 1936. Was rather surprised at how ahead of its time that movie was but done in the style that I love.

108 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:40:44pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

A quick skim of the wingnut blogs is showing very little support for the idiots busted wire tapping phones. Kind of surprising given the support for racists and right wing crackpots which has become common. A lot of deflection trying to protect Andrew Breitbart and trying to deflect with new Ellie Light "revelations". Kudos to the wingnuts for not choosing the worst possible reaction to a breaking story.

Given that Malkin immediately condemned their actions, and that you completely ignored her article in favor of dumster-diving her comments section, trolling for gobbets while failing to mention her own head-on attack of the incident and those involved, I hardly think your opinion carries much weight when it comes to objectivity. Not even a word on how rare it is for Malkin to take such a position.

Even the comments you dredged up are questionable, given your own past behavior of posting racist commentary at Hot Air as an "experiment." There's no telling whether the ones you posted earlier are similar "experiments," troll droppings, or legitimate.

Please stop pretending to be objective.

109 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:45:03pm

re: #52 Stuart Leviton

OT: SenatorsCongressmen Keith Ellison and Jim McDermott and 59 other signatories have called for President Obama to pressure Israel (and Egypt) to lift the siege on Gaza. Other signatories include: John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, John Dingell, Loretta Sanchez, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters. J Street and also signed on.

Fixed that for you. I think. I didn't check all of them, but the ones I did are all House members.

110 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:49:57pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

I know all about that sort of system. Sprint sells the Palm PRe, which uses gestures quite extensively. As for me, I prefer non-touchscreen devices. I'm somewhat old-fashioned and prefer a keyboard.

Yes, but Sprint didn't come up with a juicy new name for it - the NUI, or Natural User Interface. Get it? It's like GUI, but, like, with "New" in it, or something.

Like the orignal "Mac" operating system, Apple is promoting someone else's work as their own, and applying superior marketing skills to it.

I'm also picking up a whiff of the Newton here, another "radical departure in user interfaces" that bombed, badly, with it's sloppy "gestural" handwriting system.

111 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:54:39pm

re: #36 freetoken

Speaking of Apple, looks like they will be trying to expand out of the "hip" market and begin targeting the wingnuts:

Fox TV series ‘24’ to feature Apple tablet

Broad brush, much?

The open hostility and puerile overreach of the Left seems to have increased by a couple orders of magnitude since Brown's Senate win.

112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:56:40pm

re: #108 SixDegrees

Given that Malkin immediately condemned their actions, and that you completely ignored her article in favor of dumster-diving her comments section, trolling for gobbets while failing to mention her own head-on attack of the incident and those involved, I hardly think your opinion carries much weight when it comes to objectivity. Not even a word on how rare it is for Malkin to take such a position.

Even the comments you dredged up are questionable, given your own past behavior of posting racist commentary at Hot Air as an "experiment." There's no telling whether the ones you posted earlier are similar "experiments," troll droppings, or legitimate.

Please stop pretending to be objective.

Given how off-base Malkin is, to think she'd defend O'Keefe is within the range of normal possibility. Killgore wasn't out of line in my eyes.

113 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:00:45am

Sigh, Dark_Falcon, your Peacekeeper ability my be required downstairs.

114 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:07:43am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Given how off-base Malkin is, to think she'd defend O'Keefe is within the range of normal possibility. Killgore wasn't out of line in my eyes.

But she didn't, in this case, and it's obvious from her article that she was condemning the actions involved. It is entirely disingenuous to wade into her comment swamp without mentioning this rather extraordinary fact. There is no possibility of a mistake here - the entire point of Malkin's article was to criticize the actions in question, and nothing else.

KT's "reporting" in this case drips slime.

115 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:13:32am

re: #113 Varek Raith

Sigh, Dark_Falcon, your Peacekeeper ability my be required downstairs.

I'm not going to be much use. It's a Culture War issue, and those are simply ugly. In many cases, peace is not possible because both sides want to fight, preferring a draining victory to compromise.

116 freetoken  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:13:48am

re: #111 SixDegrees

Broad brush, much?


Geessss... what's gotten into you today? My simple snarky line was a comment about "24" more than anything else.

And btw, you're also off base about Apple. As I pointed out earlier, just yesterday the Patent office awarded Apple several key patents having to do with a range of technologies, some of which may find their way into today's product introductions.

And furthermore, the Newton was not truly a "gesture" device - one needed to use the stylus. One of my coworkers had one, used it (and promoted it around the office).

117 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:18:46am

re: #116 freetoken

Geesss... what's gotten into you today?

Whatever it is seems to be shared by many other readers. I stand by my comment, especially given that some of your earlier replies only reinforce it.

Software patents? Hardly an argument that holds water. They're granted freely by examiners completely incompetent to judge merit, particularly in the arena of prior art. Apple's claim to originality here is just as groundless as their claim to have "invented" the GUI with the release of the Mac, which in fact simply re-implemented work done years earlier at Bell Labs.

I never said the Newton was a gestural device. I implied it shared similarities of marketing hype with the latest Apple device.

118 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:23:47am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I'm not going to be much use. It's a Culture War issue, and those are simply ugly. In many cases, peace is not possible because both sides want to fight, preferring a draining victory to compromise.

True, you'd probably get shot down...
:/
//ah, well.

119 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:25:06am

re: #118 Varek Raith

Without looking, who's going at it?

120 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:26:43am

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

Without looking, who's going at it?

It's a free for all on culture stuff... I don't wanna name names...
Sorry, that would be rude of me...
:) I'm weird like that...

121 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:27:17am

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

Without looking, who's going at it?

Iceweasel, Jimmah, and WindUpBird on one side, and CapeCoddah, Silvergirl, and Bagua on the other.

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:29:43am

re: #120 Varek Raith

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

I remember one time LVQ and someone else went at it. People were waking up saying, "Geez, still?" Went on for 8 hours or so. I'm sure that has happened more than once, though.

123 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:31:02am

How's the music thread?

Last thing I did was upding Jimmah for his fierce defense of his darlin' even though my post wasn't talking about her, but was quoting iceweasel talking about someone else. Follow that? No? Good. No need to. Funny stuff!

124 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:33:59am

re: #107 Gus 802

Hulu has some good old movies too. Latest one I saw was Dodsworth from 1936. Was rather surprised at how ahead of its time that movie was but done in the style that I love.

I'll definitely check it out. Thanks.

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:34:55am

I can't wait for the State of the Union address tonight. Hope the newbies have plenty of their favorite beverage.:)

126 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:36:31am

re: #105 Gus 802

Chris and Dana Reeve

Why did you post their photo? Were you talking about them earlier?

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:37:27am

Sorry folks, but it's past 2:30 CST and I've fading fast. Goodnight and please be nice.

128 Gus  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:37:52am

re: #126 Silvergirl

Why did you post their photo? Were you talking about them earlier?

Was just thinking about the fragility of life. I met his stepfather once.

129 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:38:05am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Sorry folks, but it's past 2:30 CST and I've fading fast. Goodnight and please be nice.

Night DF! Live long and prosper!
/gratuitous geekery

130 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:39:27am

re: #128 Gus 802

Was just thinking about the fragility of life. I met his stepfather once.

Ah yes. And there they are in their prime. Life is fragile.

131 Gus  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:40:31am

re: #130 Silvergirl

Ah yes. And there they are in their prime. Life is fragile.

It is. Even when you're on top of the world.

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:40:39am

Man, Carol King and I think James Taylor are coming in concert and can't find the local Tammpa listing.:(

133 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:41:32am

re: #131 Gus 802

It is. Even when you're on top of the world.

Maybe especially then.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:44:15am

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man, Carol King and I think James Taylor are coming in concert and can't find the local Tammpa listing.:(


135 Bagua  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:48:00am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Iceweasel, Jimmah, and WindUpBird on one side, and CapeCoddah, Silvergirl, and Bagua on the other.

No way! I'm on Iceweasel's side on the "filthy issue" and on WindupBirds on the other. But Jimmah and I have our own side issue which we have worked out, as usual.

You have to follow a soap opera closely to keep up with it properly!

136 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:50:24am

I've checked out the front page and wandered back here. Time to stretch and yawn and take my filthy paws off the keyboard.

Good-night to one and all!

137 Bagua  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:07:11am

Goodnight my friends! I leave you with some acoustical instrumental mastery.

Enjoy.

1968 at Jimi's Apartment in NYC


- Jimi Hendrix
138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:19:57am

The thread, it's dead Jim.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:49:02am

Dear Joe, fuck you.
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

140 srb1976  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:55:27am

Morning!

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:56:42am

re: #140 srb1976

Morning!

Slim pickens, huh.:)

142 srb1976  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:03:15am

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

Slim pickens, huh.:)

Looks like a very slow morning....hope everyone got to sleep in = )

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:09:21am

A couple times a year the state throws out rabbie vaccines for wild animals. My radio just said if someone finds a brown tube in their yard with a USDA stamp on it, don't eat it. Try as I might, I don't recall ever finding anything brown in my yard and thinking, "Cool, a snack!!"

144 srb1976  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:12:08am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar


As true as that is....it is a nice warning for folks who have pets and small kids.....my own kids are past the "everything must go into the mouth" phase, but a heads up on something like this is useful for those who aren't

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:14:36am

re: #144 srb1976

I didn't even think about the kiddies since I have none. Good point. Then again, they would also try to pet the rabid racoon.:)

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:35:59am

Guy on my radio being interviewed said the President will focus on moderates tonight considering they Dems lost gubners in 2 states and a senate seat. He also said the word of the day for drinking games tonight is the word "fight." Not kidding, the host asked. Gotta restart.

147 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:40:39am

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

Guy on my radio being interviewed said the President will focus on moderates tonight considering they Dems lost gubners in 2 states and a senate seat. He also said the word of the day for drinking games tonight is the word "fight." Not kidding, the host asked. Gotta restart.

Last eight years.
Last decade.
Inherited.
Two cats fucking.

148 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:40:54am

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

Driveby here, but as I'm sure people know the big news is that Obama will call for a 3 year spending freeze for most domestic programs.

Total disaster. It won't win him any friends, and it will piss off a lot of people.
Major mistake in my book. First, it isn't going to affect more than a tiny percentage of the budget overall-- so practical gains from it are nil. (I have links about that if people are interested)

Second, it squanders remaining political capital in a huge way-- because it won't win him support from anyone, and will serve to further alienate the people (like me) who elected him and worked for him.

149 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:41:53am

re: #147 MandyManners


Two cats fucking.

Starting up on that again?

I'm asking you nicely, once, to stop it.

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:47:24am

re: #148 iceweasel

The guy on my radio said he will speak of deficit reduction. He pointed out between the 3 year freeze and what has already been promised to go out financially, it is still a negative number. Good interview, waiting for the transcript. I actually think the guy is connected to the WH in a small way.

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:50:34am

re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was wrong. Dude not connected to the WH.

152 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:53:50am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's a fair bet though that a good SOTU speech drinking game this time around should include the words "budget", "economy" , "freeze" and 'fight'.
Emergency personnel and stomach pumps should stand by, as always.

153 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:53:58am

re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have you heard how much damage was done to the orange groves by the freeze?

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:56:03am

re: #153 MandyManners

Have you heard how much damage was done to the orange groves by the freeze?

The fruits (oranges, strawberries) I think came through OK. Problem is, farmers basically drained our ground water (aquafer) keeping them alive. Now we have a sinkhole problem.

155 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:57:16am

Fourteen days after being buried by Haiti's killer quake, a 35-year-old man has been pulled out alive from the rubble of a collapsed building in the capital of the Caribbean nation.

Rico Dibrivell was covered in dust and dressed only in underpants when he was carried out from the ruins of a building, The Telegraph reports.

SNIP

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:57:41am

re: #152 iceweasel

It's a fair bet though that a good SOTU speech drinking game this time around should include the words "budget", "economy" , "freeze" and 'fight'.
Emergency personnel and stomach pumps should stand by, as always.

Tim Russerts dad used to say, "If you're gonna drink, ya gotta eat." He was a smart man.:)

158 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:00:24am

Did I hear a whip being cracked?

159 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:01:10am

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tim Russerts dad used to say, "If you're gonna drink, ya gotta eat." He was a smart man.:)

ha!
I've had my issues with Tim Russert but the relayed comments of 'big Russ' were almost always pretty good.

160 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:01:52am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

The fruits (oranges, strawberries) I think came through OK. Problem is, farmers basically drained our ground water (aquafer) keeping them alive. Now we have a sinkhole problem.

How do you guard against a sinkhole? Are there signs before it sinks?

161 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:03:33am

re: #158 MandyManners

Did I hear a whip being cracked?

No, sweetheart, that was the sound of you being called out for the many gratuitous comments you've been making, in many threads, for many days, about Jimmah's (and my) wedding video. Even on threads where we're not present.

I asked you nicely to quit it. I'm asking you nicely once more.

162 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:03:48am

re: #160 MandyManners

How do you guard against a sinkhole? Are there signs before it sinks?

No, they generally just show up. We had a couple interstate exits drop and had a school close, shipping the kids to another. But cracks in a building ccan be a tell-tale sign, obviously.

163 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:09:50am

Is Chavez gonna' cwy?

As a new president takes office, toppled leader Manuel Zelaya will leave Honduras on Wednesday for exile after pressure by the United States and Latin American countries failed to reverse a coup that ousted him last June.

He timed his exit to coincide with the day opposition leader Porfirio Lobo is sworn in as president, effectively ending a crisis that began with Zelaya's ouster by the army.

Lobo won a November 29 election denounced by some Latin American and European governments as illegitimate since it was organized by a de facto government.

The Honduran Congress voted late on Tuesday to give Zelaya political amnesty but the move does not affect the criminal charges hanging over him and was not expected to alter his plan to leave the country.

SNIP

164 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:11:36am

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, they generally just show up. We had a couple interstate exits drop and had a school close, shipping the kids to another. But cracks in a building ccan be a tell-tale sign, obviously.

I'd be scared that I'd be driving along when suddenly the earth would open up and I'd be stuck in a hole.

165 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:11:55am

*crickets*

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:12:45am

re: #164 MandyManners

I'd be scared that I'd be driving along when suddenly the earth would open up and I'd be stuck in a hole.

It generally doesn't happen that way, but has on rare occasions in the past.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:14:58am

I've got a Toyota! I'm askeert!

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:17:14am

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've got a Toyota! I'm askeert!

Remeber the good old days when you would hit the brake and go through your garage door?
/

169 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:19:03am

Good Morning LGF.

170 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:19:11am

Somebody call a waaammmbulance.

Europe went into response mode just hours after the Haiti earthquake struck two weeks ago, scrambling to organize search and rescue teams, making aid pledges and rushing medical units to the stricken island. But even though European countries have pledged $600 million in aid so far and European teams have been involved in some of the more dramatic rescues of survivors trapped beneath the rubble, some leaders grumble that the continent is being forced to take a back seat in the operations —exacerbating the already high anxiety over whether Europe has lost its status as a world power.

SNIP

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:19:42am
172 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:20:13am

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've got a Toyota! I'm askeert!

One of the eight recalled models?

173 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:20:38am

re: #169 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.

Top of the day to you, my fine-feathered friend. How're the drumsticks?

174 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:20:55am

re: #166 Cannadian Club Akbar

It generally doesn't happen that way, but has on rare occasions in the past.

In places other than the south, too.

Centralia PA anyone?

If anyone likes the movies or games based on "Silent Hill', here you go.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:21:23am

re: #170 MandyManners

exacerbating the already high anxiety over whether Europe has lost its status as a world power.

They can stop wringing their hands. They've lost their status.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:21:52am

re: #172 MandyManners

No. But I'm doing the victim dance anyway.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:22:22am

re: #174 iceweasel

In places other than the south, too.

Centralia PA anyone?

If anyone likes the movies or games based on "Silent Hill', here you go.

I saw a TV report on that place a bit ago.

178 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:24:25am

Morning all...

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:24:54am

Sick Day II: Electric Boogaloo

180 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:25:47am

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw a TV report on that place a bit ago.

Apparently they still have a few residents. (By 'few', I mean less than 10, officially.)
There's a book about it I've been meaning to read for a while.

181 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:25:48am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Regardsless, will be good for local dealers. My friend owned a Saab shop. He loved warranty work.

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:26:32am

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also a good day to be a Honda salesperson.

183 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:26:47am

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They can stop wringing their hands. They've lost their status.

Power-projection envy.

184 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:28:01am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. But I'm doing the victim dance anyway.

You're not the only one this morning.

But, hey! It's a good way to shed those pounds!

How's it going otherwise today? I still cannot fathom Virginia closing those rest-stations.

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:28:54am

Wow. They found the body of that girl kidnapped near Charlottesville a few months ago. I am very sad for her family.

Pretty blond girl. The cutest little black boy you've ever seen was kidnapped from Roanoke last week. Pictures been all over the TV.

How many unattractive people disappear that we never even hear about?

I really don't understand this.

186 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:30:00am

Robert Gibbs just said "terrorists" but he bracketed it with "murderers" and "thugs".

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:31:23am

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. They found the body of that girl kidnapped near Charlottesville a few months ago. I am very sad for her family.

Pretty blond girl. The cutest little black boy you've ever seen was kidnapped from Roanoke last week. Pictures been all over the TV.

How many unattractive people disappear that we never even hear about?


I really don't understand this.

I had a friend who wasn't kidnapped, but he was cut up and spread around a lake in NC. Bummer.

188 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:31:34am

re: #178 PT Barnum

Morning all...

Welcome back!

189 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:33:30am

re: #173 MandyManners

Top of the day to you, my fine-feathered friend. How're the drumsticks?

I feel fine, thanks. How's by you?

190 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:35:18am

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


How many unattractive people disappear that we never even hear about?

I really don't understand this.

Many.
BTW, one of the problems with law enforcement and our media is that we don't take the 'disappearances' of teenage boys and young men as seriously as we do those of teenage girls and young women.
Consequently, it tends to be much harder for their families to get the cops and the media to take those disappearances seriously, or acknowledge that foul play may be involved.

191 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:35:23am

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV...was tonights (last nights) Better Off Ted better than last weeks with the German CEO?

192 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:35:36am

re: #191 TheMatrix31

I'm about to watch it now.

193 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:36:27am

re: #189 Spare O'Lake

I feel fine, thanks. How's by you?

I'm feeling peppier now thanks to that tune!

194 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:39:02am

re: #193 MandyManners

There's a good topic, Favorite song to really get you going in the morning.

195 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:40:49am

Recalled Toyotas:

2009-2010 RAV4,
2009-2010 Corolla,
2009-2010 Matrix,
2005-2010 Avalon,
Certain 2007-2010 Camry,
2010 Highlander,
2007-2010 Tundra,
2008-2010 Sequoia.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:41:29am

re: #191 TheMatrix31

FBV...was tonights (last nights) Better Off Ted better than last weeks with the German CEO?

Was heavy on Lem and Phil. I love Lem and Phil. So it was funny in its own right. Each episode is pretty different.

Love that dang show.

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:42:01am

re: #195 MandyManners

Recalled Toyotas:

2009-2010 RAV4,
2009-2010 Corolla,
2009-2010 Matrix,
2005-2010 Avalon,
Certain 2007-2010 Camry,
2010 Highlander,
2007-2010 Tundra,
2008-2010 Sequoia.

Matrix, you've been recalled. Sorry.
/

198 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:43:43am

Laters gators. BBL

199 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:44:01am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BOT and Modern Family are both absolutely CLASSIC.

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh well, I guess having my "pedal to the metal" is a bad thing?

200 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:44:42am

Anyways, I'm gone. Good night, FBV, Mandy, CCA, and SOL.

201 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:45:31am

re: #194 PT Barnum

There's a good topic, Favorite song to really get you going in the morning.

[Video]

Oh, I love it! I'm not the world's biggest fan of the Beatles but, those two I like.

I wonder how old many in the audience were when that song was first recorded.

202 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:45:59am

re: #201 MandyManners

Oh, I love it! I'm not the world's biggest fan of the Beatles but, those two I like.

I wonder how old many in the audience were when that song was first recorded.

Probably negative 12

203 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:46:22am

re: #200 TheMatrix31

Sweet dreams!

204 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:47:10am

re: #202 PT Barnum

Probably negative 12

Yeah, I saw some munchkins whose parents might not have been alive.

205 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:48:11am

re: #203 MandyManners

Hopefully I don't see any cats.

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:49:57am

Woman on TV said that even thogh you are thin, you might still be fat. This is why I hate network news.

207 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:52:57am

re: #204 MandyManners

Yeah, I saw some munchkins whose parents might not have been alive.

Anybody besides me remember watching the Beatles cartoon on Saturday Morning TV? I caught a couple of clips on You Tube, and were they ever god awful.

208 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:53:07am

"Good morning, good morning, good"

Greetings, salutations, and howdy.

*stretching sleepily and reaching for the coffee*

Busy day today. Weatherguessers think that we'll get an inch of ice for a nice basecoat, then up to 8" of snow to top it off.

Guess the razorbacker had best get busy and lug some wood up on the porch out of the weather so he's not slipping around to keep warm.

But first, to waste a bit of time until sunrise.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

209 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:53:49am

re: #205 TheMatrix31

Hopefully I don't see any cats.

?

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:54:20am

re: #208 razorbacker

We're expecting 5-10 inches of snow tomorrow. I am not even close to "fairly" happy about it.

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:55:20am

re: #209 MandyManners

I agree. The cat thing is getting old.

212 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:55:55am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree. The cat thing is getting old.

Mmm-hmm.

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:55:59am

I won't comment on weather anymore since when I do I get yelled at.

214 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:56:14am

re: #207 PT Barnum

Anybody besides me remember watching the Beatles cartoon on Saturday Morning TV? I caught a couple of clips on You Tube, and were they ever god awful.

I vaguely recall it. My biggest Beattle memory is the song about Uncle Albert. Oh, wait. Was that Wings?

215 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:56:15am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree. The cat thing is getting old.

let's not start that again!

216 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:56:43am

re: #208 razorbacker

"Good morning, good morning, good"

Greetings, salutations, and howdy.

*stretching sleepily and reaching for the coffee*

Busy day today. Weatherguessers think that we'll get an inch of ice for a nice basecoat, then up to 8" of snow to top it off.

Guess the razorbacker had best get busy and lug some wood up on the porch out of the weather so he's not slipping around to keep warm.

But first, to waste a bit of time until sunrise.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

217 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:56:44am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*checks the wall calendar*

Hmmm. Seems to be the dead o' winter. These things happen, you know.

Six months from now, I'll likely be wishing for a bit of cold climate.

218 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:58:23am

Gotta' get the day going.

219 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:58:26am

re: #216 MandyManners

Hard to believe but a year ago I would have been cubicle bound...

220 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:58:51am

re: #216 MandyManners

Sounds like a good plan to me.

I'm one of the premier timewasters of this or any other generation.

Slackers worldwide could do worse than sign up for my correspondence course on creative time wasting.

Thing is, I never seem to get around to mailing the materials out.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:59:11am

re: #217 razorbacker

Oh! Good news!

Craziest damn thing happened... we had a month long very cold snap (single digits to 30). Just got our gas bill...

75.00.

What the hell?

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:59:52am

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is that low?

223 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:01:12am

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shhhh!

It's not your job to write out the bills.

I'm sure an expert carefully reviewed that before mailing.

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:01:47am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is that low?

I know people who got 500.00 electric bills.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:02:34am

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know people who got 500.00 electric bills.

Is that gas and electric you got or are they seperate?

226 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:03:27am

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know people who got 500.00 electric bills.

YIKES!

Our highest bill this year was 150 but I think it could be a lot better if we were to make some changes in the way our house was insulated and such. Before we had a new furnace put in it was quite a bit more expensive.

227 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:04:57am

When we had our new and improved super dooper efficient heat pump/air conditioner installed last summer, we were prepped to expect lower kilowatt usage.

So far, it hasn't worked out that way.

I knew that heating wouldn't go down, as there doesn't seem to be a cheaper alternative to wood (given that I cut my own trees on my own property) but still, I had hoped for some lesser cooling bills.

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:06:12am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is that gas and electric you got or are they seperate?

Gas furnace and fireplace... electric everything else.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:06:48am

re: #223 razorbacker

Shhh!

It's not your job to write out the bills.

I'm sure an expert carefully reviewed that before mailing.

Oh, I ain't complaining!

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:07:04am

re: #223 razorbacker

Gonna pay it and keep my stupid mouth shut.

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:08:02am

Fuck, I gotta go to Wal-Mart. BBL.

232 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:08:05am

Morning folks.

233 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:08:53am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree. The cat thing is getting old.

Yeah, feline porn is pretty sick.

234 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:10:12am

re: #230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gonna pay it and keep my stupid mouth shut.

We went for 8 months paying stupidly low electric bills a couple of years ago.

Then got a 'make-up' bill for about $800.00. Seems that the nice young lady that was supposed to be reading the meter wasn't.

Now it's read automatically, from the office.

We went to level-billing anyway.

235 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:10:30am

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know people who got 500.00 electric bills.

Try living in a four-storey house with ceilings up to 30 feet. That amount's a given during a winter month.

236 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:11:31am

re: #234 razorbacker

We went for 8 months paying stupidly low electric bills a couple of years ago.

Then got a 'make-up' bill for about $800.00. Seems that the nice young lady that was supposed to be reading the meter wasn't.

Now it's read automatically, from the office.

We went to level-billing anyway.

Did she get fired?

237 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:11:36am

re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuck, I gotta go to Wal-Mart. BBL.

Well, if you must.

Frankly, I've yet to see one of those 'greeter ladies' that I'd care to fuck.

So far, anyway.

And my standards aren't that high.

238 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:11:53am

re: #232 RogueOne

What's up, pup?

239 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:12:13am

re: #236 MandyManners

Did she get fired?

'Course not. She got an office job.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:12:41am

"There's really no middle ground with you. Either you don't care at all or you care a hundred and crazy percent."
Linda, -Better Off Ted

241 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:14:12am

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"There's really no middle ground with you. Either you don't care at all or you care a hundred and crazy percent."
Linda, -Better Off Ted

Great line..describes the current political climate perfectly.

242 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:14:35am

re: #239 razorbacker

'Course not. She got an office job.

I hope she stopped scewing up once there.

243 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:14:44am

Gotta' git!

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:16:03am

re: #241 PT Barnum

This show is loaded with fantastic lines.

Couple of weeks ago, this line...

[The boss interrupting the person speaking]"Wow! That has to be the fastest I've ever lost interest in what someone was saying!"

245 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:16:28am

Upthread, someone mentioned that they're going to see 'Avatar'.

It probably speaks to how seldom I go to movies, but I was amazed at the 3D effects.

It's come a long way from those red/blue paper specs they used to hand out.

246 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:18:43am

re: #242 MandyManners

I hope she stopped scewing up once there.

She had an excuse.

Seems out meter was uphill, and it was hard to climb all the way up there just to read one meter.

*Keep your expectations low. That way, you are usually not disappointed and sometimes you even get a nice little surprise.*

247 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:20:18am

re: #246 razorbacker

These damn kids these days! GET OFF MY LAWN!

I'm approaching curmudgeonhood early...

248 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:24:11am

re: #247 PT Barnum

These damn kids these days! GET OFF MY LAWN!

I'm approaching curmudgeonhood early...

Heh.

When I consider the Boomer generation, what with our outsized sense of entitlement and huge voting bloc, I imagine that the new crop of curmudgeons are going to James Dandies.

That's a Jim Dandy, supercharged.

249 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:26:50am

Light enough to see out-of-doors, so I'm gonna get busy.

See y'all later.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:27:34am

Flippin' work.

251 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:27:48am

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Flippin' work.

In Soviet Russia, work flips you.

252 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:29:55am

Going to the doc to check my blood pressure and then taking my oldest for a two hour drive to live with his girlfriend and their daughter.

He's a difficult person to have around, so I'm not unhappy to see him go away for awhile. Family..what would we do without them?

I'm wondering if my blood pressure problems will dissipate after he leaves, since that's when they started...:)

253 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:32:17am

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a friend who wasn't kidnapped, but he was cut up and spread around a lake in NC. Bummer.

You serious? Camp Crystal Lake?

254 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:36:12am

Slow crowd this morning. Must be the cold; from our warm snap that saw temperatures break above freezing last weekend, it has now plummeted to below 0 lows and a high of 10 degrees F (-12 degrees C) yesterday. I only wish I could hibernate through winter like a real lizard.

255 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:38:08am

re: #247 PT Barnum

These damn kids these days! GET OFF MY LAWN!

I'm approaching curmudgeonhood early...

re: #248 razorbacker

Heh.

When I consider the Boomer generation, what with our outsized sense of entitlement and huge voting bloc, I imagine that the new crop of curmudgeons are going to James Dandies.

That's a Jim Dandy, supercharged.

It ain't just the Kids!

Woman at my church said her 20 something grandson saw me at a church dinner last Saturday night and I sacred him! (I don't even remember seeing him.) He saw my blue lips (caused by my heart defect) and said "He looks like a dead man!"

Brainless wonder.

256 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:40:14am

re: #255 SteveC

It ain't just the Kids!

Woman at my church said her 20 something grandson saw me at a church dinner last Saturday night and I sacred him! (I don't even remember seeing him.) He saw my blue lips (caused by my heart defect) and said "He looks like a dead man!"

Brainless wonder.

I'm sure we seemed just as stupid to our elders when we were that age, and probably were, but we never remember it that way.

257 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:40:44am
258 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:44:05am

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sick Day II: Electric Boogaloo

Please fight the urge FBV, no line-dances, especially Electric Boogaloo!!!

Good Morning Lizards!

259 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:46:43am

re: #253 RogueOne

You serious? Camp Crystal Lake?

I updinged you because it was funny, but as I am sure you know there have been various really terrible crimes committed involving lakes.
I don't know if CCA was making a joke, but I think it's very possible he was referring to something all too real.

Sorry for the downer.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:49:04am

Indianapolis Colts: the quietest team in football. The author attempts to explain why the Colts don't say much in press conferences, but part of me thinks it's just the general Indiana reticence to say much of anything at all. Most Hoosiers I know are generally quiet and reserved to begin with, and being part of an organization that draws heavy media attention would probably only serve to amplify that particular trait.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:54:13am

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I call bullshit.

1. Hoosier Hoops is anything but reticent.
2. How many Colts players are from Indiana?

262 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:55:25am

Yesterday, appx 1:30 PM: President Obama calls Kentucky Mens Basketball Team

11:20 PM: South Carolina 68, Kentucky 62

Olympic Games - FAIL
New Jersey Governor - FAIL
Virginia Governor - FAIL
Massachusetts Senator - FAIL
Kentucky Basketball - FAIL

263 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:56:24am

re: #262 SteveC

Yesterday, appx 1:30 PM: President Obama calls Kentucky Mens Basketball Team

11:20 PM: South Carolina 68, Kentucky 62

Olympic Games - FAIL
New Jersey Governor - FAIL
Virginia Governor - FAIL
Massachusetts Senator - FAIL
Kentucky Basketball - FAIL

Outrage of the day.

264 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:57:26am

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I call bullshit.

1. Hoosier Hoops is anything but reticent.
2. How many Colts players are from Indiana?

Many of the players themselves are not, as the article mentions; but I believe the top of the organization is, and Peyton Manning has a house in a west Indianapolis suburb. Plus, notice I didn't say all. I could be entirely wrong, and I probably am; it was just a theory.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:57:52am

re: #262 SteveC

What's wrong with that, Steve? They raised a million bucks for Haiti. Prez called them.

They're #1 in the country... last year they lost to Virginia Military Institute!

I think it's pretty cool! What am I missing?

266 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:57:56am

re: #259 iceweasel

I wasn't sure if he was serious or not but I couldn't pass it up. I'm one of those people who think just about everything is funny, especially things I know shouldn't be.

I consider it a coping mechanism that way it's not my fault.//

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:58:29am

re: #264 thedopefishlives

I was just being silly... more about Hoops than anything.

268 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:58:56am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was just being silly... more about Hoops than anything.

It's early and I'm still only partway through my daily caffeine drip.

269 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:59:17am

re: #263 Walter L. Newton

Outrage of the day.

It's outrageous! You should be outraged!

I'm euphoric - I'm a lifelong South Carolina fan!

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:00:05am

re: #269 SteveC

It's outrageous! You should be outraged!

I'm euphoric - I'm a lifelong South Carolina fan!

Oh! Wait! Kentucky lost?

271 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:00:10am

re: #264 thedopefishlives

hey Dope, I was thinking about you this morning.

[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Pence announced yesterday he isn't going to run against Bayh. His reason was pure political BS, he knows he wouldn't have stood a chance.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:00:36am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Embarrassing...

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:00:54am

re: #266 RogueOne

Not sure about the lake, but IW is correct. My friend was cut up.

274 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:00:56am

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've got a Toyota! I'm askeert!

(Repost)
Toyota Driver: ABC News Videos Helped Save My Life

Kevin Haggerty Says He Brought His Runaway Toyota Under Control By Using What He'd Learned On-Line and On-Air

Be sure to watch that 2nd video (the one the guy in the first video mentioned seeing).

275 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:01:18am

Oh man - re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! Wait! Kentucky lost?

I keep pinching myself, but it seems to be true! :)

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:01:55am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Note to self... read links before commenting on them...

277 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:02:25am

re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry about making light of it then.

278 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:02:48am

Death on the job

Carl "Dan" Fish worked at Dupont's Belle plant for 32 years until last Saturday. That's the day he was sprayed in the face by phosgene gas.

279 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:02:56am

re: #266 RogueOne

I wasn't sure if he was serious or not but I couldn't pass it up. I'm one of those people who think just about everything is funny, especially things I know shouldn't be.

I consider it a coping mechanism that way it's not my fault.//

I'm sorry-- I definitely wasn't meaning that as some kind of moralistic slap at you or anyone. Apologies if it came off that way!
It was funny, but when I read CCA's post (which I also laughed at, btw) I realised I didn't know if it was a joke or black humor from someone who had that experience.
I've met a few people who made similar dark jokes but because of the truth behind them-- people they'd known.

No sermonising or anything like that was intended. My apologies again.

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:03:42am

re: #277 RogueOne

Sorry about making light of it then.

Wait. Camp Crystal Lake. Friday the 13th, yes?

281 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:03:44am

From CNN...

Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian, said Obama needs to "sell jobs, jobs and more jobs" in his speech.

"A speech can't make people believe that he's going to do the jobs thing. Only the creation of jobs is going to reassure people," he said.

Well, he's been talking about jobs for more than a year now, and it's not working, how much more talk? My, how the world turns. A not so glowing preview of the State of the Union address on CNN...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

282 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:03:55am

re: #271 RogueOne

hey Dope, I was thinking about you this morning.

[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Pence announced yesterday he isn't going to run against Bayh. His reason was pure political BS, he knows he wouldn't have stood a chance.

That seat has been unchallenged for more years than I think I've been alive. I remember when I put in my first ballot (absentee) back in college, there was a challenger, but I'd never heard of the guy before and had to go out of my way to look him up. So it wasn't exactly a serious challenge.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:04:37am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar

killkillkill hahahaha

284 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:05:30am

re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure about the lake, but IW is correct. My friend was cut up.

Just saw this after I posted my previous.
I'm really sorry and I know my sorrow and my words are hopelessly inadequate here.
I'm sorry for having harped on it. I wish you and your friends and your friend's family the best.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:08:13am

re: #284 iceweasel

I'm not offeneded. Long ago. Actually, I had just moved back into town and saw his pic in the paper, the cops wanting to talk to him. My thought was, "WTF did he do now." Then I found out why they wanted to talk to him. So, it's OK. And actually another friend is married to dead friends sister.

286 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:08:18am

Have you guys heard of this?


Export ban for useless 'bomb detector'

The UK government has announced a ban on the export to Iraq and Afghanistan of some so-called "bomb detectors".
It follows an investigation by the BBC's Newsnight programme which found that one type of "detector" made by a British company cannot work.
The Iraqi government has spent $85m on the ADE-651 and there are concerns that they have failed to stop bomb attacks that have killed hundreds of people.

...

The device is sold by Jim McCormick, based at offices in rural Somerset, UK.

The ADE-651 is in use at most checkpoints in Baghdad
The ADE-651 detector has never been shown to work in a scientific test.
There are no batteries and it consists of a swivelling aerial mounted to a hinge on a hand-grip. Critics have likened it to a glorified dowsing rod.
Mr McCormick told the BBC in a previous interview that "the theory behind dowsing and the theory behind how we actually detect explosives is very similar".


If the guy believes in this crap: Jesus, what a fucking moron, and what idiots who bought his crap.

If he doesn't, and he was just making a buck: I'd consider him an accessory to murder.

287 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:08:50am

re: #279 iceweasel

No worries. I didn't take it that way. I think my very first day here I warned that I tend to be a bit of an asshole. I've tried to keep it under wraps tho, without being able to hear voice inflection people have no idea when others are being serious or joking.

288 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:11:14am

re: #286 Obdicut

Have you guys heard of this?

Export ban for useless 'bomb detector'


If the guy believes in this crap: Jesus, what a fucking moron, and what idiots who bought his crap.

If he doesn't, and he was just making a buck: I'd consider him an accessory to murder.

You know, if it wasn't for the fact that people actually died due to this guy's bullshit, I'd be laughing. A poorly researched purchase of an even more poorly researched product.

289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:11:55am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

A few years back, my best friend's co-worker committed suicide in my best friend's office. Job stress, etc.

So my friend (our friendship was just budding at the time) he called me and asked me to come over to sit with him and "talk about death and stuff".

He met me at the door (visibly upset) and I said, "Man. He needed that job like he needed a hole in the head."

He said, "THAT'S WHY INVITED YOU! YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE!"

He knew I would approach the thing with black humor, and that's why he called me.

290 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:12:53am

re: #286 Obdicut

re: #288 thedopefishlives

An ol' fashioned firing squad would be too good for him if he intentionally put out a product he knew wouldn't work correctly.

291 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:13:41am

re: #288 thedopefishlives

Yeah. Why couldn't he just sell it to people as an oil-finding device, or a gold-finding device, or something like that? Why'd he have to put other people's lives on the line?

Enormous ego, if he's lying or if he isn't. Ugly-souled motherfucker.

292 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:14:06am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Your choices in life boil down to laughing or crying, I chose laughing.

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:14:07am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is funny.

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:14:39am

re: #293 Cannadian Club Akbar

That is funny.

re: #292 RogueOne

Your choices in life boil down to laughing or crying, I chose laughing.

It helps to know your audience.

295 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:14:49am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not offeneded. Long ago. Actually, I had just moved back into town and saw his pic in the paper, the cops wanting to talk to him. My thought was, "WTF did he do now." Then I found out why they wanted to talk to him. So, it's OK. And actually another friend is married to dead friends sister.

I don't know why but something about the way you told that joke to begin with reminded me of someone else with a similar story, who would also make similar jokes.
That's the only reason I didn't upding you-- because you reminded me of someone who was telling the truth when she made those jokes. It felt weird to upding it.
Similar in some ways-- it was someone she'd known long ago and she never knew about the person's life or what had happened until it hit the news and she went back home.
I'm sorry.
Updinging now for the heck of it.

296 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:14:52am

re: #290 RogueOne

re: #288 thedopefishlives

An ol' fashioned firing squad would be too good for him if he intentionally put out a product he knew wouldn't work correctly.

My guess is, he actually believes his product should work. I hate to say it, but there really are people that are THAT stupid out there. Some of them are amateur inventors. End result? Something like this.

re: #291 Obdicut

Realistically, that would've been a lot better, but my guess is that he fails at basic technology and thought he was doing the world a favor.

297 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:15:19am

re: #288 thedopefishlives

And there's one Iraqi general defending its use. Hoo boy. I think there's either a kickback there, or a complete nimrod who's a general in Iraq. If that's the quality of leadership they have, I'm not sure they're up to facing the threat against them.

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:16:50am

re: #297 Obdicut

And there's one Iraqi general defending its use. Hoo boy. I think there's either a kickback there, or a complete nimrod who's a general in Iraq. If that's the quality of leadership they have, I'm not sure they're up to facing the threat against them.

Wait. A kickback with an Iraqi official? Next thing you'll say is oil for food had the same kickbacks.
/need I

299 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:18:57am

re: #297 Obdicut

And there's one Iraqi general defending its use. Hoo boy. I think there's either a kickback there, or a complete nimrod who's a general in Iraq. If that's the quality of leadership they have, I'm not sure they're up to facing the threat against them.

Couldn't you obtain promotion by assassination back in the bad old days? Perhaps that's how he reached his position.

300 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:19:28am

re: #296 thedopefishlives

Actually, I have to issue a correction. The more I look at it, the more I'm starting to understand that this guy basically just ripped off a whole lot of people. I read the article most of the way through, and he knew EXACTLY what he was (or rather, wasn't) doing. Scumbag asshole.

301 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:19:34am

re: #292 RogueOne

Your choices in life boil down to laughing or crying, I chose laughing.

If we didn't laugh we'd have to cry. Nothing wrong with black humour, and I fully endorse it personally.

302 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:20:47am

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least with Oil for Food there was, no matter what the corruption, some oil, and some food.

Here we've got a general who's either sacrificing the lives of people to make money, or who is so damn stupid he believes in dowsing, and so obviously is going to get a lot of people killed in any actual military action he has to take part in.

If I was one of his troops and heard him say bullshit like that-- perhaps right after a bomb exploded at a checkpoint-- my morale would go straight to hades.

Or, as a friend of mine who was a veteran of WWII on the Russian side, said "It felt like there was a competition going on, between the Germans and our superiors, on who could kill us the fastest."

303 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:21:51am

Oh, spare me -

Tweet from Congressman Joe Wilson: After the State of the Union address, I'll give my response live on Facebook

304 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:22:45am

re: #302 Obdicut

The general suffers from a basic ego problem. He thinks he knows more about bombs than the people that make real bomb-sniffing devices, and his ego won't allow him to admit that he doesn't understand the technology involved. I would be firing this guy before his cocksure attitude gets a whole lot of people killed.

305 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:23:05am

My buddy just left, he's excited he just got his ankle bracelet taken off this morning. He's learned his lesson "never consent to a search".

He was at a bingo hall with his old mother and someone passed a fake $20. The hall called the police and told the arriving cop she thought "it came from one of the black guys". He knew he didn't do it so he let the cop have his wallet and search his pockets and they found less than a 1/4 gram of coke in his sock. Granted, he shouldn't be doing coke, but he shouldn't have allowed himself to be profiled either.

306 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:23:23am

re: #296 thedopefishlives

My guess is, he actually believes his product should work. I hate to say it, but there really are people that are THAT stupid out there. Some of them are amateur inventors. End result? Something like this.

re: #291 Obdicut

Realistically, that would've been a lot better, but my guess is that he fails at basic technology and thought he was doing the world a favor.

ONe of the most excruciating experiences I've had was going to a local ghost hunter deal at Halloween (My wife had to cover it for the paper, and she made me go. She actually finds this stuff interesting and watches all the ghost shows on TV, I just find it silly). It was held at a local historical park (old buildings etc)

The funny part is that the ghost hunters were going on and on about how things were getting moved around when nobody was around.

The next day I ran into somebody from the parks department (it's a small town) and we were talking about it..and he said "I didn't have the heart to tell them we've had trouble with raccoons in that building."

307 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:23:24am

re: #302 Obdicut

Or, as a friend of mine who was a veteran of WWII on the Russian side, said "It felt like there was a competition going on, between the Germans and our superiors, on who could kill us the fastest."

Sounds like your friend is a Stalingrad vet.

308 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:24:31am

re: #305 RogueOne

My buddy just left, he's excited he just got his ankle bracelet taken off this morning. He's learned his lesson "never consent to a search".

He was at a bingo hall with his old mother and someone passed a fake $20. The hall called the police and told the arriving cop she thought "it came from one of the black guys". He knew he didn't do it so he let the cop have his wallet and search his pockets and they found less than a 1/4 gram of coke in his sock. Granted, he shouldn't be doing coke, but he shouldn't have allowed himself to be profiled either.

Did he learn a lesson about not doing coke?

309 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:25:04am

re: #301 iceweasel

If we didn't laugh we'd have to cry. Nothing wrong with black humour, and I fully endorse it personally.

You're starting to spell like a fereigner, adding unnecessary "u's". Tell Jimmah to knock it off!//

310 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:25:44am

re: #308 Walter L. Newton

Ain't it true that 9 times out of 10 people aren't really sorry they committed the crime, they're just sorry they got caught?

311 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:25:49am

re: #307 SteveC

Stalingrad and Berlin. The whole long road. Interesting dude. As he put it, "I thought the generals and Stalin were right: Go to the West. So I did." He kept going, once he hit Berlin. First England, then the US. Was fluent in German, Russian, and English, and so he was able to make himself useful at every step of the way.

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:25:54am

re: #305 RogueOne

In Florida, a coke conviction means no more gun rights and you lose your drivers license for a year. Plus drivers school.

313 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:26:11am

re: #308 Walter L. Newton

Did he learn a lesson about not doing coke?

I'd bet not.

314 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:26:20am

Well good morning everybody. Things settled down a bit? Still talking about fucking in public?

315 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:26:54am

re: #314 cliffster

Whoah.

316 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:28:36am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

Even if you aren't in a vehicle when you're nabbed? In Indiana if it's a felony you lose your gun rights but not driving privileges unless you happen to be driving when caught. D got caught with a misdemeanor amount but since it's not his first time he got a year of house arrest.

317 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:28:37am

re: #314 cliffster

Well good morning everybody. Things settled down a bit? Still talking about fucking in public?

No we are back to politics which is similar only it's fucking the public.

Whoever's in office.

318 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:29:01am

re: #311 Obdicut

Stalingrad and Berlin. The whole long road. Interesting dude. As he put it, "I thought the generals and Stalin were right: Go to the West. So I did." He kept going, once he hit Berlin. First England, then the US. Was fluent in German, Russian, and English, and so he was able to make himself useful at every step of the way.

Looks like they forgot to give him the order to halt! :)

Seriously, glad he's over here with us now. He had to be tough man to come through Stalingrad.

319 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:29:16am

re: #314 cliffster

Well good morning everybody. Things settled down a bit? Still talking about fucking in public?

I vote yes

320 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:29:49am

re: #316 RogueOne

Even if you aren't in a vehicle when you're nabbed? In Indiana if it's a felony you lose your gun rights but not driving privileges unless you happen to be driving when caught. D got caught with a misdemeanor amount but since it's not his first time he got a year of house arrest.

I've always wondered, how tight to they have that thing on? Can you wash underneath it? Have had casts before and man does it itch after bit..

321 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:30:09am

Got to go shlep furniture... be back later this late afternoon...

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:30:09am

re: #316 RogueOne

Being convicted of possesion results in losing your DL for a year. Same if you get caught trying to pick up a hooker. Not kidding.

323 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:32:08am

re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar

Being convicted of possesion results in losing your DL for a year. Same if you get caught trying to pick up a hooker. Not kidding.

Wow. That's pretty hardcore. Although honestly, it would serve as a pretty good disincentive for a lot of people.

324 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:32:25am

re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar

Being convicted of possesion results in losing your DL for a year. Same if you get caught trying to pick up a hooker. Not kidding.

Man..glad my only remaining vice is brownies and milk...nothing funny in em either...

325 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:32:59am

re: #323 thedopefishlives

Wow. That's pretty hardcore. Although honestly, it would serve as a pretty good disincentive for a lot of people.

You mean picking up some sort of nasty STD isn't?

326 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:33:01am

re: #320 PT Barnum

I've always wondered, how tight to they have that thing on? Can you wash underneath it? Have had casts before and man does it itch after bit..

In Indiana, at least in this county, they're on loose. They have an attached GPS and radio signal that alerts if you get a certain distance away from the receiver. A few years ago you could go about 100 yards from the receiver and be fine but then some asshat killed the girl next door while wearing one and they shortened the distance. D was able to stand on his front porch but that was as far as he was able to go.

327 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:34:33am

re: #325 PT Barnum

You mean picking up some sort of nasty STD isn't?

Apparently not for some people. Me, I can't see ANY reason I'd want to pick up a hooker or do drugs or anything dumb like that, and a whole lot of reasons NOT to.

328 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:34:33am

re: #314 cliffster

Still talking about fucking in public?

In Massachusetts, taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts.

329 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:34:45am

re: #326 RogueOne

That wouldn't bother me much except for having to go to the grocery store. Now if they did that and took away my internet connection or my books or my CDs, that would be cruel and unusual punishment.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:35:09am

re: #326 RogueOne

I had a friend with a bracelet. He ran the reciever up his front tree about 50 feet. He was able to come across the street to another friends house to BBQ, swim, etc.

331 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:35:30am

re: #328 SteveC

In Massachusetts, taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts.

Ya gotta wonder about the court case or incident that resulted in that law being passed.

"Hey. You're running up the meter!"

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:35:57am

re: #303 SteveC

Oh, spare me -

Tweet from Congressman Joe Wilson: After the State of the Union address, I'll give my response live on Facebook

The new workout... S-T-R-E-T-C-H the fifteen minutes of fame.

333 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:36:40am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The new workout... S-T-R-E-T-C-H the fifteen minutes of fame.

you mean infamy

334 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:37:27am

re: #329 PT Barnum

Since he's never been arrested for anything violent he was able to get 6 hour passes on the weekend to go shopping, pay bills, etc... When we did that job in Denver last year they let me take him even tho he was on house arrest.

335 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:39:19am

In Fargo, North Dakota, one may be jailed for wearing a hat while
dancing, or even for wearing a hat to a function where dancing is
taking place.

HUH?

336 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:40:18am

Well off to the doc early in hopes of getting in earlier..y'all have a good day....

337 SteveC  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:41:29am

re: #336 PT Barnum

Well off to the doc early in hopes of getting in earlier..y'all have a good day...

Hope it works! My doc at Emory is good about that - if you're early they usually get to you a little bit early. Most other places, GOOD LUCK!

338 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:43:06am

re: #331 PT Barnum

When "consenting adults" swept through states laws, all kinds of hilarious "blue laws" went down.

339 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:45:12am

re: #325 PT Barnum

You mean picking up some sort of nasty STD isn't?

Not for many.
Let's bear in mind that most johns are male.
Let's also bear in mind that many STD's will go undetected in females (including their wives or partners) and will eventually cause massive damage to the women's reproductive systems. Not men's.

Let us also bear in mind that HIV transmission rarely happens from woman - to - man, or woman- to- woman. Physiology again, not morality.

Men have almost no incentive, physiologically (not morally) to 'come clean'-- to tell their wives or partners what they're up to, to take responsibility, to practice safe sex if they're already the kind to visit prostitutes.
The justice system doesn't make them come clean either-- that is to say, it punishes the women (and men) who are prostitutes completely disproportinately to how it punishes the customers and pimps.
Taking away their cars is an excellent idea. But so is arresting them and informing their wives and partners what they've been doing, purely for health reasons so they can protect themselves.

340 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:47:15am

So Breitbart pays "Vanilla Pimp" on a regular basis for his videos, but O'Keefe doesn't "work" for him? Sounds like this could turn into a fun circle-jerk of a story as the Teabaggers try to figure out their narrative over the next day or so...

"Huge" Hewitt (no relation to Erick Ericksion though they may have done a film together) plays softball with Breitbart

341 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:47:45am

Oh, and good morning, everyone.

342 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:48:18am

re: #339 iceweasel

Not for many.
Let's bear in mind that most johns are male.
Let's also bear in mind that many STD's will go undetected in females (including their wives or partners) and will eventually cause massive damage to the women's reproductive systems. Not men's.

Let us also bear in mind that HIV transmission rarely happens from woman - to - man, or woman- to- woman. Physiology again, not morality.
...

Nature is a sexist pig. There's no end to the things women have to put up that men don't. And you can't pee your name into snow.

343 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:48:49am

re: #339 iceweasel

I think that in the majority of cases, getting a call from the police saying, "Hi, your husband/boyfriend was arrested for picking up a prostitute, you can come down to the station to pick him up, here's his court date" would bring down a far greater punishment than simply getting your license revoked.

344 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:49:47am

re: #343 thedopefishlives

Honest and effective. I like it.

345 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:49:51am

re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar

Being convicted of possesion results in losing your DL for a year. Same if you get caught trying to pick up a hooker. Not kidding.

There was a nice series last month in the detroit press about Michigan's forfeiture laws and now reason mag posted a Balko piece about forfeiture laws across the country. After reading about how screwed up the forfeiture laws in Indiana are I'd like to apologize to the michigan people I harassed about their state.

[Link: reason.com...]

The Forfeiture Racket


Over the past three decades, it has become routine in the United States for state, local, and federal governments to seize the property of people who were never even charged with, much less convicted of, a crime. Nearly every year, according to Justice Department statistics, the federal government sets new records for asset forfeiture. And under many state laws, the situation is even worse: State officials can seize property without a warrant and need only show “probable cause” that the booty was connected to a drug crime in order to keep it, as opposed to the criminal standard of proof “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Instead of being innocent until proven guilty, owners of seized property all too often have a heavier burden of proof than the government officials who stole their stuff.

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:50:25am

re: #339 iceweasel

I saw a 69 y/o man lose his DL for a year for trying to pic up a hooker. He asked the judge how he was suppose to get his wife to her many Dr. appointments. I felt bad for her. (no, she wasn't there, probably didn't even know about it)

347 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:50:44am

re: #342 cliffster

Nature is a sexist pig. There's no end to the things women have to put up that men don't. .

Sorry. The problem here isn't 'nature' at all, but fucked up laws and a fucked up fake morality, and a society that codified that bullshit into laws and mores.

And fucked up pigs who like to claim biology is destiny. (That wouldn't be you).

348 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:51:13am

re: #343 thedopefishlives

I think that in the majority of cases, getting a call from the police saying, "Hi, your husband/boyfriend was arrested for picking up a prostitute, you can come down to the station to pick him up, here's his court date" would bring down a far greater punishment than simply getting your license revoked.

That's why they ought to do both.

349 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:51:58am

re: #348 iceweasel

That's why they ought to do both.

Exactly. So many times, the guy lies it away and the woman doesn't find out until later. They ought to be forced to reveal the truth, or have it revealed for them. Fear of the wrath of the woman is a powerful motivator.

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:53:21am

re: #345 RogueOne

The local SO here has Vettes and Mercedes and Camaros they impounded and turned into cop cars.

351 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:53:26am

re: #349 thedopefishlives

There are a lot of cities that put peoples faces on local cable access when they get busted.

352 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:54:28am

re: #347 iceweasel

Sorry. The problem here isn't 'nature' at all, but fucked up laws and a fucked up fake morality, and a society that codified that bullshit into laws and mores.

And fucked up pigs who like to claim biology is destiny. (That wouldn't be you).

Oh, my comment was purely general. Women have it tougher - it starts with simply managing their bodies, and goes on from there.

353 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:54:43am

Testing :) 1 , 2, 3

354 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:55:12am

re: #343 thedopefishlives

I think that in the majority of cases, getting a call from the police saying, "Hi, your husband/boyfriend was arrested for picking up a prostitute, you can come down to the station to pick him up, here's his court date" would bring down a far greater punishment than simply getting your license revoked.

The presumed innocence thing would stand in the way of that.

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:55:21am

Gotta run for a bit. BBL. Chop, chop. (joke from earlier subject)

356 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:55:26am

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw a 69 y/o man lose his DL for a year for trying to pic up a hooker. He asked the judge how he was suppose to get his wife to her many Dr. appointments. I felt bad for her. (no, she wasn't there, probably didn't even know about it)

The wives and partners of these men need to know what they've been up to, not for moralistic reasons but purely for health reasons.

A system that takes away the car and punishes the so-called man is broken, because it's punishing the wife in your story twice: she still might not know what health risks she's being exposed to, and on top of it now HE can't drive her to HER doctor's appointments.

Pardon me, but this does sound a bit like the kid who killed his parents pleading for the mercy of the court because he's an orphan.

System's broke.

357 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:56:23am
358 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:56:42am

Ack, that didn't work. Ice HELP!!!

359 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:56:42am

re: #352 cliffster

Oh, my comment was purely general. Women have it tougher - it starts with simply managing their bodies, and goes on from there.

It's nearly impossible for a man to get HIV from an infected woman through normal sex. If you're a female and you have sex with an infected partner, chances are you're going to get it. That's how I took your previous statement.

360 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:56:45am

re: #354 cliffster

The presumed innocence thing would stand in the way of that.

Not really. It is true that he was arrested on the charge of hiring a prostitute. He can explain it away any way he likes, but getting busted for it is generally frowned upon by womankind, even if you're innocent. Depending on the woman.

361 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:57:41am

re: #358 marjoriemoon

Ack, that didn't work. Ice HELP!!!

It did on #357 but not this one. weird.

362 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:58:06am

#358 marjoriemoon

Ack, that didn't work. Ice HELP!!!

It worked! I swear!

363 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:00:03am

re: #314 cliffster

Well good morning everybody. Things settled down a bit? Still talking about fucking in public?

Shhhh... don't wanna' gore any sacred cows.

364 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:00:21am

re: #361 RogueOne

It did on #357 but not this one. weird.

I took it off. It's linked as a website, but it's my email (which I asked Charles to remove). How do you make a link so folks can send you mail through LGF?

365 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:00:52am

re: #360 thedopefishlives

Not really. It is true that he was arrested on the charge of hiring a prostitute. He can explain it away any way he likes, but getting busted for it is generally frowned upon by womankind, even if you're innocent. Depending on the woman.

Not even just womankind. Come on here-- how does a person get 'entrapped' into buying sex?
We're talking like fantasy Law and order situations here or something.

366 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:01:40am

re: #364 marjoriemoon

You're asking the wrong person, I have no idea.

367 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:02:03am

re: #364 marjoriemoon

I took it off. It's linked as a website, but it's my email (which I asked Charles to remove). How do you make a link so folks can send you mail through LGF?

I think you just did it-- you should email cj and ask for it to be deleted if you don't want it always there on that one comment. ;)

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:02:14am

re: #364 marjoriemoon

I took it off. It's linked as a website, but it's my email (which I asked Charles to remove). How do you make a link so folks can send you mail through LGF?

There should be a box called "show email". Clicking the nic should open a secure email form.

369 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:03:35am

re: #367 iceweasel

I think you just did it-- you should email cj and ask for it to be deleted if you don't want it always there on that one comment. ;)

Yes I did (but I assume he's still snoring at the moment).

370 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:05:02am

re: #369 marjoriemoon

Yes I did (but I assume he's still snoring at the moment).

And how exactly do you know that Charles snores?
/

371 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:05:20am

re: #369 marjoriemoon

Yes I did (but I assume he's still snoring at the moment).

I think I have your email now-- sorry, was I supposed to? Did you want me to email you?
I can delete this otherwise...

--- scuffs toe in dirt, hums, looks at sky--

372 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:05:49am

re: #370 darthstar

And how exactly do you know that Charles snores?
/

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

373 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:08:10am

re: #372 marjoriemoon

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

I'll retract that question then.

374 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:08:39am

Might have already been mentioned, but it appears that O'Keefe and that Stan Dai guy who got arrested yesterday both have long history with pro life movement and associated Demos and stunts. Most of the sources are either DU or extreme right sites, so I'm not linking atm until I find more background.

375 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:09:01am

Time to go. BBL

376 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:09:11am

re: #368 thedopefishlives

There should be a box called "show email". Clicking the nic should open a secure email form.

Oh that's it! How did you set that up? Where is Show Email? I didn't see it in My Account up top.

Ice, I would LOVE if you sent me an email :) hehe, but actually I wanted to connect with SF Zionist. I have some info I wanted to give her (I'll type it here later) about Father Patrick Desbois. My mother wrote him and received an answer back. They're going into Belarus between now and the spring, probably when the weather gets better, to search for more bodies (Holocaust grave sites). She mentioned she had family there.

377 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:09:26am

re: #373 darthstar

I'll retract that question then.

lol (I assume all men snore).

378 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:09:30am

re: #371 iceweasel

woops, i mean, delete what i saved, not anything here.

I am but a poor lizard like any other, humbly labouring under the Unblinking Lizard Eye, no monitor lizard nor anything special.

379 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:10:02am

re: #364 marjoriemoon

I took it off. It's linked as a website, but it's my email (which I asked Charles to remove). How do you make a link so folks can send you mail through LGF?

Go to your profile page from the sidebar or by clicking on your icon, and turn on LGF Safe Email

380 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:10:18am

SOTU tonight, very exciting. Obama gets to do what he does best. TALK!

381 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:10:47am

re: #374 Thanos

Well, that could be a motivation to do something, but doesn't excuse or mitigate the charges pending. They lied to gain access to the office of a US Senator under the guise of being telephone workers for purposes that still aren't clear. That'll get 'em hard time in prison.

382 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:10:55am

re: #372 marjoriemoon

Lots of updings for that one. We may have many differences on many different topics, but we can all get behind I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

383 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:12:01am

Good Morning and Happy Wednesday! How everyone in Lizard nation this morning?

384 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:12:39am

re: #365 iceweasel

Not even just womankind. Come on here-- how does a person get 'entrapped' into buying sex?
We're talking like fantasy Law and order situations here or something.

I've been entrapped into sex, never for buying it tho. Women are wiley and I'm easily tempted. Again, it's not my fault.//

385 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:12:47am

re: #376 marjoriemoon

Oh that's it! How did you set that up? Where is Show Email? I didn't see it in My Account up top.

The check box is at the top of the posting box. When you check it, it fills in the Email field with the email in your My Account page. When you post with that box checked, your nic will be blue and will take people to the secure email page, as demonstrated in my previous post. Unchecking the box, as with this post, removes the email link.

386 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:12:49am

re: #380 filetandrelease

And I'll get to do what I'm fairly competent at. Drinking - and playing the annual SOTU drinking game.

For every mention of middle class - drink
For every mention of tax cut - drink
For every mention of Wall street - drink
For every self-reference - drink.

I think alcohol poisoning could result, but I'll be sure to take tiny sips... ///

387 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:13:16am

re: #381 lawhawk

Well, that could be a motivation to do something, but doesn't excuse or mitigate the charges pending. They lied to gain access to the office of a US Senator under the guise of being telephone workers for purposes that still aren't clear. That'll get 'em hard time in prison.

They went through a lot of trouble not to have any creditials indicating they were from the phone company. In this day and age, that couldn't that hard to produce.

388 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:13:51am

re: #374 Thanos

Might have already been mentioned, but it appears that O'Keefe and that Stan Dai guy who got arrested yesterday both have long history with pro life movement and associated Demos and stunts. Most of the sources are either DU or extreme right sites, so I'm not linking atm until I find more background.

Here's a question for the legal types: Senator Landrieu's on the Appropriations Committee, Energy & Natural Resources Committee, and is Chair of the Small Business Committee. If O'Keefe and his junior bird-men were arrested with devices that could tap Landrieu's phones, could there be a national security risk argument added to their charges? Or are they too well connected (rich & powerful white daddies) for this to go beyond "just a juvenile prank by good kids with no ill intent"?

389 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:13:57am

re: #385 thedopefishlives

The check box is at the top of the posting box. When you check it, it fills in the Email field with the email in your My Account page. When you post with that box checked, your nic will be blue and will take people to the secure email page, as demonstrated in my previous post. Unchecking the box, as with this post, removes the email link.

You're a wonderful person. May the bluebird of happiness smile upon you :)

390 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:14:14am

re: #379 Thanos

Go to your profile page from the sidebar or by clicking on your icon, and turn on LGF Safe Email

And you too :)

391 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:14:23am

re: #386 lawhawk

Hey, I like that game, I could be good at it.

392 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:14:45am

re: #376 marjoriemoon

What Thanos said at 379, and the dopefish at 385.
You can 'turn your nic blue' for a comment, then turn it off-- but that will stay 'blue' (i.e., your email info will stay' available') on that comment unless you email CJ and ask him to later go in and change it.
Your email is posted in one comment on this thread by you; next time you see SFZ you can just point her to it if you like.
:-)

393 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:15:05am
Host to girl on phone: "How was it for you during the [Gaza] war [2009]? Were you afraid that you would die, that you would leave this world?"

Girl: "No. I wasn't afraid. I wished for Shahada (Martyrdom) -- Shahada for Allah."

Host: "How wonderful. Even this little girl - how old are you?"

Girl: "Ten."

Host: "[She] is not more than ten years old, and wants to die as a Shahida (Martyr) for Allah. We all wish for this [Shahada]."

[Al-Aqsa (Hamas) TV, Jan. 22, 2010


394 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:15:55am

re: #393 Spare O'Lake

Ritualistic child abuse. Hate that lasts generations.

395 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:16:12am

re: #392 iceweasel

What Thanos said at 379, and the dopefish at 385.
You can 'turn your nic blue' for a comment, then turn it off-- but that will stay 'blue' (i.e., your email info will stay' available') on that comment unless you email CJ and ask him to later go in and change it.
Your email is posted in one comment on this thread by you; next time you see SFZ you can just point her to it if you like.
:-)

You guys are great. I'm new here :p

396 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:16:30am

re: #386 lawhawk

And I'll get to do what I'm fairly competent at. Drinking - and playing the annual SOTU drinking game.

For every mention of middle class - drink
For every mention of tax cut - drink
For every mention of Wall street - drink
For every self-reference - drink.

I think alcohol poisoning could result, but I'll be sure to take tiny sips... ///

MSNBC felt this was an important enough story to spend five minutes discussing a SOTU drinking game posted on some website this morning (while repeatedly saying they didn't advocate irresponsible drinking). Funny, they never did that during the previous admin...damn liberal media.

397 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:17:13am

re: #395 marjoriemoon

For that alone Hamas needs to be eradicated!

398 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:18:12am

re: #386 lawhawk

And I'll get to do what I'm fairly competent at. Drinking - and playing the annual SOTU drinking game.

For every mention of middle class - drink
For every mention of tax cut - drink
For every mention of Wall street - drink
For every self-reference - drink.

I think alcohol poisoning could result, but I'll be sure to take tiny sips... ///

As someone mentioned Monday, listend for "fight", too. He said it 20 times in Ohio the other day.

399 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:18:19am

re: #396 darthstar

MSNBC felt this was an important enough story to spend five minutes discussing a SOTU drinking game posted on some website this morning (while repeatedly saying they didn't advocate irresponsible drinking). Funny, they never did that during the previous admin...damn liberal media.

I blame Bush. //

400 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:21:05am

re: #395 marjoriemoon

You guys are great. I'm new here :p

ha!
Seriously, I recommend emailing CJ and asking him to delete your email address in the comment later.
Lot of hate for a few libs floating around, mostly on other sites, not people here.

401 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:21:59am

re: #393 Spare O'Lake

They make the Hitler Youth look like daycare in regards to the brainwashing and throwing away the lives of their children.

Burn in utter hell.... or perhaps might I say Hellfire II.

402 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:22:10am

re: #393 Spare O'Lake
What Rogue said, such a travesty.

I did a study on how islam recruits it's splody dopes some years ago. So sad the way they target the very young easily influenced religious zealots. It is the worst form of child abuse. Where a person of influence and respect in a child's life manipulates the child into becoming a splody dope. The child has no chance. They start on them way too young. Sometimes when the child is only 3 or 4 they begin nurturing them to become a splody dope. Nurturing them isn't the right word.

403 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:24:16am

re: #402 filetandrelease

My sister teaches english in a saudi school. That's the kind of stuff they teach them there too. They start them off early with "it's the jews fault", EVERYTHING is the jews fault.

404 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:24:24am

re: #400 iceweasel

ha!
Seriously, I recommend emailing CJ and asking him to delete your email address in the comment later.
Lot of hate for a few libs floating around, mostly on other sites, not people here.

I find it sad that it has come down to that. I may be conservative but I respect your right to your own opinion and I find it contemptible that others would threaten someones life over a matter of opinion. I thought this country was founded on the basic right to your own opinion. Our country has truly gone down a misguided path and that makes me sad.

405 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:25:32am

re: #386 lawhawk

And I'll get to do what I'm fairly competent at. Drinking - and playing the annual SOTU drinking game.

For every mention of middle class - drink
For every mention of tax cut - drink
For every mention of Wall street - drink
For every self-reference - drink.

I think alcohol poisoning could result, but I'll be sure to take tiny sips... ///


don't forget
"the failed policies of the previous 8 years"

DRINK!

406 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:25:58am

re: #400 iceweasel

ha!
Seriously, I recommend emailing CJ and asking him to delete your email address in the comment later.
Lot of hate for a few libs floating around, mostly on other sites, not people here.

You can't email someone through the secure mail unless you're logged in, or am I mistaken?

407 darthstar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:26:10am

Update on O'Keefe...the fourth guy (outside in the truck) was taping the guys inside Landrieu's office, so that could lead to felony charges as the "We weren't planning anything illegal" argument begins to lose its value.

408 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:26:36am

re: #402 filetandrelease

What Rogue said, such a travesty.

I did a study on how islam recruits it's splody dopes some years ago. So sad the way they target the very young easily influenced religious zealots. It is the worst form of child abuse. Where a person of influence and respect in a child's life manipulates the child into becoming a splody dope. The child has no chance. They start on them way too young. Sometimes when the child is only 3 or 4 they begin nurturing them to become a splody dope. Nurturing them isn't the right word.

Remember the photographs Charles posted a few years ago of toddlers being dressed up like jihahis?

409 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:27:29am

re: #405 sattv4u2

don't forget
"the failed policies of the previous 8 years"

DRINK!

Too early for that! I know its noon somewhere in the world but I just can't get that buzzed this early, I'd never get anything done! (I know its a joke, right?)

410 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:28:05am

re: #403 RogueOne

My sister teaches english in a saudi school. That's the kind of stuff they teach them there too. They start them off early with "it's the jews fault", EVERYTHING is the jews fault.

If I had the talent, I could come up with a spoof of Dick and Jane. Substitute "Jew" for "Spot". "See Jew run. Run, Jew. Run."

411 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:28:06am

re: #405 sattv4u2

don't forget
"the failed policies of the previous 8 years"

DRINK!

You wouldn't make it through the first ten minutes.

412 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:28:58am

re: #398 MandyManners

As someone mentioned Monday, listend for "fight", too. He said it 20 times in Ohio the other day.

Unfortunately for Pres. Obama, and fortunately for the American public, the MSM and increasing numbers of his own party seem to be wise to his empty promises and bravado. "Show us the money!" seems increasingly to be the media reaction to his rhetoric.
It will be interesting to see whether his SOTU speech is crafted to recognize this new reality.

413 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:29:22am

re: #404 Dragon_Lady

I find it sad that it has come down to that. I may be conservative but I respect your right to your own opinion and I find it contemptible that others would threaten someones life over a matter of opinion. I thought this country was founded on the basic right to your own opinion. Our country has truly gone down a misguided path and that makes me sad.

Hey DL! Hope you and your honey RWC are well today.
I was just making a comment about a few of the (banned) weirdos who haunt LGF-- the same sorts who trash Charles at every opportunity on every venue where he or LGF is mentioned.

I agree with your serious point: I think there's a tremendous amount of anger, hate , polarisation and demonisation in our political discourse, and the left has been guilty of it just as much as the right over the last say, 9 years. It's not good for any of us or for the country.

414 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:29:30am

re: #403 RogueOne

My sister teaches english in a saudi school. That's the kind of stuff they teach them there too. They start them off early with "it's the jews fault", EVERYTHING is the jews fault.

How convenient. Not to be responsible because it is the Joos.

OT, at a bar up river the other day the bartender had a t shirt on that said "Got Joos?" I was offended and started on him, where he cowered and explained that it was a reference to "juice", a particular specialty of the bar. I explained he may want to revisit his marketing concept.

415 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:29:35am

Haiti rebuilding/relief updates here.

416 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:29:53am

re: #405 sattv4u2

don't forget
"the failed policies of the previous 8 years"

DRINK!

The last decade.
Inherited.

417 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:30:24am

re: #413 iceweasel

Hey DL! Hope you and your honey RWC are well today.
I was just making a comment about a few of the (banned) weirdos who haunt LGF-- the same sorts who trash Charles at every opportunity on every venue where he or LGF is mentioned.

I agree with your serious point: I think there's a tremendous amount of anger, hate , polarisation and demonisation in our political discourse, and the left has been guilty of it just as much as the right over the last say, 9 years. It's not good for any of us or for the country.

Longer than that, ice. President Clinton didn't have an easy time of it, either, although that was mostly after he revealed himself to be a man of loose character.

418 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:30:35am

re: #408 MandyManners

Remember the photographs Charles posted a few years ago of toddlers being dressed up like jihahis?

Like this?

Image: hamas.jpg

419 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:30:39am

re: #408 MandyManners

Remember the photographs Charles posted a few years ago of toddlers being dressed up like jihahis?

Yes, and I try not to think about it. I love kids, duh. It makes me sick.

420 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:30:52am

re: #406 cliffster

You can't email someone through the secure mail unless you're logged in, or am I mistaken?

I wouldn't know. I assumed anyone mailing CJ would be doing so directly.

421 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:31:36am

re: #400 iceweasel

ha!
Seriously, I recommend emailing CJ and asking him to delete your email address in the comment later.
Lot of hate for a few libs floating around, mostly on other sites, not people here.

No one that I know hates libs here.

422 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:32:37am

re: #400 iceweasel

ha!
Seriously, I recommend emailing CJ and asking him to delete your email address in the comment later.
Lot of hate for a few libs floating around, mostly on other sites, not people here.

Oh I know... thanks darlin. He will, I know. If there are any monitor lizards about who can delete 357, I would be forever grateful.

I have to jet. See ya'll soon!

423 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:33:11am

re: #410 MandyManners

If I had the talent, I could come up with a spoof of Dick and Jane. Substitute "Jew" for "Spot". "See Jew run. Run, Jew. Run."

The Jews ain't the ones who are running these days.

424 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:33:41am

re: #420 iceweasel

I wouldn't know. I assumed anyone mailing CJ would be doing so directly.

They are. I'm just saying that when you email someone by clicking their nic, it's a secure process. It doesn't actually give you the email address. And I don't think you have access to it if you're not logged in. I could be wrong.

425 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:34:09am

re: #409 Dragon_Lady

Too early for that! I know its noon somewhere in the world but I just can't get that buzzed this early, I'd never get anything done! (I know its a joke, right?)

Only somewhat.

Tonight I fully expect it to be a celebration of how this administration saved the country from economic collapse brought upon us by "the failed policies of the past admin' never mentioning that the wheels were put in motion via TARP months before Obama was even elected

The speech will also be heavy on "job creation" and helping the "middle class", although those two will never be defined

426 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:34:35am
427 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:35:00am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

Longer than that, ice. President Clinton didn't have an easy time of it, either, although that was mostly after he revealed himself to be a man of loose character.

I updinged you because I think the politics of personal demonisation took off with clinton in the white house-- but they were underway, which is why we even had the Starr commission.

I'd still maintain that ihe country became far more polarised and vicious, on the left and right, around 2003 and later.
But it did start then, I think. You're right.

428 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:36:34am

re: #424 cliffster

They are. I'm just saying that when you email someone by clicking their nic, it's a secure process. It doesn't actually give you the email address.

It doesn't?
I could be wrong, but I think it does...

429 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:37:42am

re: #428 iceweasel

It doesn't?
I could be wrong, but I think it does...

Yes, it does.
At least for me it has.
What happens is after going thru the process, my own e-mail system opens up with the person's e-mail addy in the 'to" box. So I have it if I want to note it and keep it.

430 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:38:02am

re: #412 Spare O'Lake

Unfortunately for Pres. Obama, and fortunately for the American public, the MSM and increasing numbers of his own party seem to be wise to his empty promises and bravado. "Show us the money!" seems increasingly to be the media reaction to his rhetoric.
It will be interesting to see whether his SOTU speech is crafted to recognize this new reality.

He's still gonna' try to shove his Prog. agenda down our throats.

431 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:38:04am

re: #413 iceweasel

Hey DL! Hope you and your honey RWC are well today.
I was just making a comment about a few of the (banned) weirdos who haunt LGF-- the same sorts who trash Charles at every opportunity on every venue where he or LGF is mentioned.

I agree with your serious point: I think there's a tremendous amount of anger, hate , polarisation and demonisation in our political discourse, and the left has been guilty of it just as much as the right over the last say, 9 years. It's not good for any of us or for the country.

I'm well enough for someone with bronchitis (went to the doc yesterday and got the meds to prove it!), and RWC is on his way to work as we type.
Maybe, given time, attitudes will change. But with all the extremists out there bring 90% of the voices heard that's going to be a long time. I think the prob is that most people don't think that extremism isn't that bad in the US and they turn a blind eye to it. No one seems willing to do anything to stop it and so it grows and grows.
Its rather like a weed, at first its tiny and not much of a threat but as it grows the roots bury deeper and deeper until that weed is popping up all over the place and there's no way to pull it out without digging up the entire yard. (Forgive the gardening metaphor, I was an Agriculture major in school and collage)

432 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:38:45am

re: #427 iceweasel

I always thought Arron Burr started it when he shot Hamiton.

433 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:38:56am

re: #425 sattv4u2

Point for you! Upding too!

434 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:38:57am

re: #418 Ericus58

Like this?

[Link: samueljscott.files.wordpress.com...]

IIRC, that one in particular, and a few others.

Chilling.

435 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:39:02am

re: #427 iceweasel

I think things got a whole lot more coarse during Clinton's second term, in conjunction with the Starr investigation and the subsequent impeachment. It reached a fever pitch in 2000 with the closely contested election but subsided following 9/11 and then reignited with a passion in late 2002 and then 2003 (coinciding with the Iraq invasion) and hasn't stopped since.

436 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:39:20am

re: #430 MandyManners

Does it matter to you that actual progressives do not consider Obama's agenda to be progressive?

437 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:39:38am

re: #379 Thanos

Go to your profile page from the sidebar or by clicking on your icon, and turn on LGF Safe Email

Odd. The option isn't there on my profile page, although i've been known to tear apart the refrigerator for a condiment that was sitting right in front of me...

438 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:40:01am

re: #419 filetandrelease

Yes, and I try not to think about it. I love kids, duh. It makes me sick.

Simple. You're not evil.

439 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:40:49am

re: #438 MandyManners

Simple. You're not evil.

No, that would be my twin.

440 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:41:20am

Good morning everyone!

441 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:41:21am

re: #425 sattv4u2

I will have to restrain myself from hurling something through my new tv if he says that his policies helped save or create millions of jobs. It's a bogus metric, his own people can't even agree on a number (and they all work for him), and it ignores that the unemployment rates keep creeping up - and would do so much more if the BLS didn't keep adjusting the size of the workforce down to compensate for the way the workforce keeps shrinking - both in terms of layoffs and those who can't find jobs even if they wanted them.

442 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:41:25am

re: #423 Spare O'Lake

The Jews ain't the ones who are running these days.

We seee youuu!


443 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:41:47am

re: #435 lawhawk

I think things got a whole lot more coarse during Clinton's second term, in conjunction with the Starr investigation and the subsequent impeachment. It reached a fever pitch in 2000 with the closely contested election but subsided following 9/11 and then reignited with a passion in late 2002 and then 2003 (coinciding with the Iraq invasion) and hasn't stopped since.

unfortunate but true...

444 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:41:51am

re: #429 reine.de.tout

Yes, it does.
At least for me it has.
What happens is after going thru the process, my own e-mail system opens up with the person's e-mail addy in the 'to" box. So I have it if I want to note it and keep it.

Thanks reine-- that's exactly how it works for me.
I'm relatively new here and I reckon the mailing system may have gone through a few changes before I got here, which is why some might think it doesn't give the email address. I guess?

BTW, have a few questions for you on making a roux and on some cajun/creole/new orleans/ southern cooking, if that's cool.

445 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:41:57am

re: #440 CapeCoddah

Good morning everyone!

Hey! Happy Wednesday! :-)

446 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:42:33am

re: #441 lawhawk

I will have to restrain myself from hurling something through my new tv if he says that his policies helped save or create millions of jobs. It's a bogus metric, his own people can't even agree on a number (and they all work for him), and it ignores that the unemployment rates keep creeping up - and would do so much more if the BLS didn't keep adjusting the size of the workforce down to compensate for the way the workforce keeps shrinking - both in terms of layoffs and those who can't find jobs even if they wanted them.

Someone's going to Best Buy tomorrow!!

447 generalsparky  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:42:43am

re: #440 CapeCoddah

Good morning everyone!

Good morning to you too!

448 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:43:13am

re: #444 iceweasel

Thanks reine-- that's exactly how it works for me.
I'm relatively new here and I reckon the mailing system may have gone through a few changes before I got here, which is why some might think it doesn't give the email address. I guess?

BTW, have a few questions for you on making a roux and on some cajun/creole/new orleans/ southern cooking, if that's cool.

Yum, Gumbo, my fav. Some like it hot, must get real andoule sausage.

449 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:43:13am

re: #445 Dragon_Lady

Hey! Happy Wednesday! :-)

And a happy Wednesday right back at ya!

450 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:43:44am

re: #428 iceweasel

re: #429 reine.de.tout

Just tried it - logged out. Comment #368 goes from blue link to black no-link. So at the very least, people cannot email you unless they are logged in.

451 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:43:59am

re: #447 generalsparky

Good morning, Sir, did that tooth fairy make an appearance last night? What is the going rate?

452 generalsparky  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:44:01am

re: #441 lawhawk

I will have to restrain myself from hurling something through my new tv if he says that his policies helped save or create millions of jobs. It's a bogus metric, his own people can't even agree on a number (and they all work for him), and it ignores that the unemployment rates keep creeping up - and would do so much more if the BLS didn't keep adjusting the size of the workforce down to compensate for the way the workforce keeps shrinking - both in terms of layoffs and those who can't find jobs even if they wanted them.

That is why I wait and just read the transcript. I watch very few politicians' speeches.

453 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:44:03am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

President Clinton didn't have an easy time of it, either, although that was mostly after he revealed himself to be a man of loose character.

"Loose character" as in adulterous lying pervert?

454 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:44:07am

re: #444 iceweasel

Thanks reine-- that's exactly how it works for me.
I'm relatively new here and I reckon the mailing system may have gone through a few changes before I got here, which is why some might think it doesn't give the email address. I guess?

BTW, have a few questions for you on making a roux and on some cajun/creole/new orleans/ southern cooking, if that's cool.

okey-dokey.

455 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:44:14am

re: #441 lawhawk

I will have to restrain myself from hurling something through my new tv if he says that his policies helped save or create millions of jobs. It's a bogus metric, his own people can't even agree on a number (and they all work for him), and it ignores that the unemployment rates keep creeping up - and would do so much more if the BLS didn't keep adjusting the size of the workforce down to compensate for the way the workforce keeps shrinking - both in terms of layoffs and those who can't find jobs even if they wanted them.


We need to keep our BS guns set on stun. /

456 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:44:18am

re: #444 iceweasel

BTW, have a few questions for you on making a roux and on some cajun/creole/new orleans/ southern cooking, if that's cool.

Hey me too! I'd love to learn how to make a roux! I love that kind of food, fell in love with it on my trip to Louisiana years ago and I can never get it here.

457 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:44:48am

roux = don't burn.

458 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:02am

re: #457 filetandrelease

roux = don't burn.

That's the hard part.

459 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:05am

re: #431 Dragon_Lady

I'm well enough for someone with bronchitis (went to the doc yesterday and got the meds to prove it!), and RWC is on his way to work as we type.
Maybe, given time, attitudes will change. But with all the extremists out there bring 90% of the voices heard that's going to be a long time. I think the prob is that most people don't think that extremism isn't that bad in the US and they turn a blind eye to it. No one seems willing to do anything to stop it and so it grows and grows.
Its rather like a weed, at first its tiny and not much of a threat but as it grows the roots bury deeper and deeper until that weed is popping up all over the place and there's no way to pull it out without digging up the entire yard. (Forgive the gardening metaphor, I was an Agriculture major in school and collage)

I think you're right.
So sorry about the bronchitis, ugh! the only good news I have is that I know from personal experience that the meds will help, eventually-- but take all of them!
And have your honey (i'm sure he will anyway) make you do that!

460 generalsparky  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:15am

re: #452 generalsparky

That is why I wait and just read the transcript. I watch very few politicians' speeches.

The exception being C-SPAN.

461 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:19am

re: #439 filetandrelease

No, that would be my twin.

I've always wanted one of those.

462 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:23am

re: #454 reine.de.tout


Did you see my recommendation the other day for Atul Gawande's book "The Checklist Manifesto", which included analysis of the response to the Katrina?

I think you'd find it interesting.

463 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:37am

Good morning, folks.

I discovered, while working field service last night, that copious amounts of blood pouring out of your hand will freak people out. A slip of a knife while trying to cut zipties, and the chaos began. I looked like an extra in a Dario Argento flick!

No stitches, thankfully. Good times!

464 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:38am

re: #440 CapeCoddah

Good morning everyone!

Top of the day to ya', CC!

465 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:45:58am

re: #456 Dragon_Lady

BTW, have a few questions for you on making a roux and on some cajun/creole/new orleans/ southern cooking, if that's cool.


Hey me too! I'd love to learn how to make a roux! I love that kind of food, fell in love with it on my trip to Louisiana years ago and I can never get it here.

Roux? I thought roux was a little melted butter plus milk plus a whole lot of stirring?

466 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:46:04am

re: #458 reine.de.tout

That's the hard part.


I get a few secs to throw in the veggies before it goes from perfect to bust.

I hate starting over.

467 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:46:18am

re: #458 reine.de.tout

That's the hard part.

Yeah, dammit, I keep burning it. Or it's raw. (bleargh)

Really hard for me to get that proper dark roux. Help! Please?

468 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:46:28am

re: #452 generalsparky

I usually read the transcripts and pre-released statements, but watching the speech can include visual cues and gauge response from both sides of the aisle; a speech can read and sound quite different based on approach.

469 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:46:35am

re: #461 MandyManners

I've always wanted one of those.

He sure comes in handy.

470 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:04am

re: #464 MandyManners

Top of the day to ya', CC!

Hiya, Mandy!

471 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:20am

re: #459 iceweasel

I think you're right.
So sorry about the bronchitis, ugh! the only good news I have is that I know from personal experience that the meds will help, eventually-- but take all of them!
And have your honey (i'm sure he will anyway) make you do that!

Now you are sounding like Prager. /
runs>>>>

472 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:21am
473 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:23am

re: #452 generalsparky

That is why I wait and just read the transcript. I watch very few politicians' speeches.

But, how do you play the Drinking Game?!

474 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:39am

re: #459 iceweasel

Yeah, not my first bout of it, its how I ended up with asthma about 7 or 8 years ago. Now I'm prone to it. The only complaint I have with the meds is the stomach cramps. It makes it hard to eat.

475 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:44am

Wisk like a wild man, when it turns, cool it Quick.

476 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:47:53am

re: #448 filetandrelease

Yum, Gumbo, my fav. Some like it hot, must get real andoule sausage.

Can'r get andouille in Scotland where I'll be. Already tried. :(

I can get it via shipping or whatever, but I can't get it locally.

477 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:48:30am

BBIAW

478 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:48:37am

re: #458 reine.de.tout

That's the hard part.


Pancake power and the roux doesn't burn :)))

479 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:48:54am

re: #465 Blueheron

Roux? I thought roux was a little melted butter plus milk plus a whole lot of stirring?

No milk, fat and flour. Equal parts, IIRC.

480 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:48:55am

re: #465 Blueheron

Roux is butter (or other oil) and then flour - which forms the basis of many of the classic French sauces.

481 generalsparky  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:49:17am

re: #473 MandyManners

Apparently I am not a very good Catholic ;-)

482 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:49:34am

re: #476 iceweasel

Can'r get andouille in Scotland where I'll be. Already tried. :(

I can get it via shipping or whatever, but I can't get it locally.

Very hard to get the good stuff. We have one specialty store where I go to get it. It is worth it.

483 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:49:41am

re: #463 MrSilverDragon

Bin there, done that. Not fun. Cut my fore finger pretty bad a few months ago and it took quite awhile of high pressure and ice to get it to stop bleeding.

484 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:49:57am

re: #462 Obdicut

Did you see my recommendation the other day for Atul Gawande's book "The Checklist Manifesto", which included analysis of the response to the Katrina?

I think you'd find it interesting.

NO!
Can you link, or should I just look on Amazon?

I have read Douglas Brinkley's book - I looked forward to it being published, but was sorely disappointed in it.

485 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:51:16am

Bacon fat + flour + heat + wisk = rummy roux.

486 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:51:28am

re: #483 Dragon_Lady

Bin there, done that. Not fun. Cut my fore finger pretty bad a few months ago and it took quite awhile of high pressure and ice to get it to stop bleeding.

Fingers don't like to be cut. Lots of blood, lots of nerves. They'll make you pay in several ways if you breach them.

487 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:51:37am

re: #480 lawhawk

Roux is butter (or other oil) and then flour - which forms the basis of many of the classic French sauces.

It's also something my mother-in-law uses as the base for her turkey gravy. Simply fabulous.

488 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:52:18am

re: #484 reine.de.tout

Gawande doesn't spend a lot of time on it, but I think you'd find the book as a whole very interesting.

And yeah, just look on Amazon for it.

489 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:52:35am

re: #475 filetandrelease

I'm writing this all down!

490 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:52:41am

re: #474 Dragon_Lady

Yeah, not my first bout of it, its how I ended up with asthma about 7 or 8 years ago. Now I'm prone to it. The only complaint I have with the meds is the stomach cramps. It makes it hard to eat.

I'll dig up some info for you tomorrow and let you know-- I used to have a similar situation. One bad infection and then constant asthma and recurring bronchitis as a result.

Q: if it isnt too personal-- have you had your tonsils removed? I didn't until I was an adult and it was the single biggest help to removing the other problems. Just an idea, as the medicine (usually some steroids, etc) messed with my stomach too big time.

491 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:52:49am

re: #483 Dragon_Lady

Bin there, done that. Not fun. Cut my fore finger pretty bad a few months ago and it took quite awhile of high pressure and ice to get it to stop bleeding.

Likewise, a few months ago. That first cut into the lime for the G&T is a treacherous one. If the lime rolls, the finger's next...

492 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:53:01am

re: #480 lawhawk

Roux is butter (or other oil) and then flour - which forms the basis of many of the classic French sauces.

My mom & grandmother would also use the drippings from any meat they cooked and would make a roux gravy to eat with rice - yummy!

493 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:53:17am

re: #488 Obdicut

Gawande doesn't spend a lot of time on it, but I think you'd find the book as a whole very interesting.

And yeah, just look on Amazon for it.

Found it - they have a kindle version - got it.

494 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:53:48am

re: #490 iceweasel

I'll dig up some info for you tomorrow and let you know-- I used to have a similar situation. One bad infection and then constant asthma and recurring bronchitis as a result.

Q: if it isnt too personal-- have you had your tonsils removed? I didn't until I was an adult and it was the single biggest help to removing the other problems. Just an idea, as the medicine (usually some steroids, etc) messed with my stomach too big time.

Yeah, but your biceps...

495 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:53:48am

re: #485 filetandrelease

Low or high heat?

496 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:54:04am

re: #287 RogueOne

No worries. I didn't take it that way. I think my very first day here I warned that I tend to be a bit of an asshole. I've tried to keep it under wraps tho, without being able to hear voice inflection people have no idea when others are being serious or joking.


Well for what it is worth I like you.

Maybe we should start a**** Anonymous? That is if we think we can fool everybody /

497 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:54:18am

re: #493 reine.de.tout

Nifty. He makes a very convincing argument; I've already begun drawing up checklists for myself. I'd also be very interested, once you've read it, in what you think of his brief analysis of the Katrina response.

498 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:54:38am

re: #491 Aceofwhat?

Likewise, a few months ago. That first cut into the lime for the G&T is a treacherous one. If the lime rolls, the finger's next...

Well, at least at the end you'll have the G&T to numb the pain!

And citric acid on an open wound... woo! That's a treat...

499 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:54:48am

re: #467 iceweasel

Yeah, dammit, I keep burning it. Or it's raw. (bleargh)

Really hard for me to get that proper dark roux. Help! Please?

You have to keep stirring. I mean, you cannot leave it for one second. It might take 30 minutes. You have to stir stir stir continuously. Put a little more flour in stir stir stir. Do not stop. That's the trick.

500 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:55:08am

re: #497 Obdicut

Nifty. He makes a very convincing argument; I've already begun drawing up checklists for myself. I'd also be very interested, once you've read it, in what you think of his brief analysis of the Katrina response.

'k!

501 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:55:28am

how do cajuns live past the age of 40?

502 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:55:32am

re: #480 lawhawk

Roux is butter (or other oil) and then flour - which forms the basis of many of the classic French sauces.


My Mama was French. My Grandfather was a French cook. We ate well when I was little :))

503 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:56:04am

re: #490 iceweasel

Nope, still got my tonsils. Never got tonsillitis, my brothers all did though. Any info would be helpful. Thanks!

504 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:56:08am

re: #501 cliffster

how do cajuns live past the age of 40?

Plenty of exercise to go with all that ridiculously good food.

505 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:56:39am

re: #448 filetandrelease

Yum, Gumbo, my fav. Some like it hot, must get real andoule sausage.

adouille

506 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:57:13am

re: #501 cliffster

how do cajuns live past the age of 40?

Muffuletta is an antioxidant.

507 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:57:40am

Reine, do you have a recipe for shrimp entoufee?

508 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:57:47am

re: #489 Dragon_Lady

And east is east and west is west, and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does.

- Capt Spaulding

509 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:58:07am

re: #499 reine.de.tout

You have to keep stirring. I mean, you cannot leave it for one second. It might take 30 minutes. You have to stir stir stir continuously. Put a little more flour in stir stir stir. Do not stop. That's the trick.

That's what I thought my problem is. I'm too lazy and a proper roux does take constant stirring. I swear I've turned away from one, that was going great, for like 40 seconds and it's all over. 20 seconds if it's already darkening.

Whisk forever or is a wooden spoon ok when you get to the cooking stage? Sorry if this is a very obvious question

510 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:58:11am

re: #489 Dragon_Lady

The thing is, to make roux, very high heat is needed, it is difficult to achieve with non stick pans. With this high heat, when the roux turns, meaning it goes from white to brown, it turns very quick, and quicker from brown to black. Burnt, just start over.

When it turns brown, pour something in. Depending on what you are making. Typically, I have a bunch of diced veggies, finely diced, such as onions, celery or what ever. Or you just pour in liquid such as chicken broth. Liquid needs to come in soon after veggies any way. But veggies stirred into a hot roux makes an excellent base.

511 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:58:48am

re: #506 Obdicut

Muffuletta is an antioxidant.

dammit obdicut, too early in the morning for coffee in the nose.

512 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:59:08am

re: #507 CapeCoddah

Reine, do you have a recipe for shrimp entoufee?

Hold on - I think I put one in Volume 2

513 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:59:24am

re: #480 lawhawk

Roux is butter (or other oil) and then flour - which forms the basis of many of the classic French sauces.

And as my Tennessee grandma taught me, good gravy.

514 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:59:26am

Health Care Reform - ban all Mexican food, Cajun food, and anything made by Paula Deen.

515 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:59:49am

New home sales dropped 7.6% in December. Set aside all the other numbers in the article and focus on these, which include the actual sales for the year:

Only 374,000 homes were sold last year, down 23 percent from a year earlier and the weakest year on records dating back to 1963. December's sales were nearly 9 percent below the same month last year.

Home sales have had a rocky recovery from their four-year slide. December's sales pace was up 4 percent from the bottom in January 2009, but down 75 percent from the peak in July 2005.

The median sales price of $221,300 in December was down nearly 4 percent from $229,600 a year earlier, but up about 5 percent from November's median of $210,300.

The drop in new home sales means that the real estate market isn't building new homes, demand is slack, and that's put pressure on the builders to either make further cuts in price or layoffs. It affects the entire home furnishings industry as well, and slows home improvements too.

And the 2009 figures include the homeowner tax credit attempt to goose sales too.

516 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:59:57am

re: #508 oaktree

Ohhhh, cute cute cute! Where does that come into the recipe?

517 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:00:45am

re: #511 cliffster

LMAO!

518 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:00:49am

re: #515 lawhawk

That's big, as home sales is generally a leading indicator rather than a trailing indicator (or so it's always been pointed out to me). It also explains the rather lackluster appraisal the new fishbowl received from the FHA.

519 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:00:51am

re: #505 reine.de.tout

adouille

aNdouille

520 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:01:01am

Still digging.
[Link: thehill.com...]

521 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:01:40am

re: #512 reine.de.tout

Nice, I gotta get the first book, Keep forgetting!

522 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:01:43am

re: #514 cliffster

Bah! Humbug! No good food no good mood!

523 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:01:55am

re: #400 iceweasel

ha!
Seriously, I recommend emailing CJ and asking him to delete your email address in the comment later.
Lot of hate for a few libs floating around, mostly on other sites, not people here.

You want hate? Just say you like Palin. Now THAT is hate :)) //

524 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:02:50am

re: #519 Aceofwhat?

Phonetic fyi for nawtherners: you say 'an DOO ee '.

525 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:02:54am

re: #519 Aceofwhat?

aNdouille


hahaha!
Of course!
Can't believe I screwed that up.

526 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:03:19am

re: #515 lawhawk

Yep. Want to be that January is pathetic because the few who bought, bought in December to take advantage of the tax credit?

527 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:03:41am

re: #525 reine.de.tout

hahaha!
Of course!
Can't believe I screwed that up.

I know - you should have seen the smile on my face.

528 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:04:15am

re: #515 lawhawk

One of my clients owns one of the biggest home building companies in the country. He was telling me over the holidays that in 2008, they built almost 700 homes. In 2009, 16 homes.

529 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:04:42am

re: #510 filetandrelease

Can't wait to try it! I'll let you know how it turns out! I love to make all kinds of food and RWC is an excellent cook (for a guy, ha!) so trying something new will be a treat. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

530 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:04:56am

re: #509 iceweasel

That's what I thought my problem is. I'm too lazy and a proper roux does take constant stirring. I swear I've turned away from one, that was going great, for like 40 seconds and it's all over. 20 seconds if it's already darkening.

Whisk forever or is a wooden spoon ok when you get to the cooking stage? Sorry if this is a very obvious question

Excuse me while I double post on folks...4 horus of sleep and a hangover will do that.

I can't compete with the French, but I've used a wooden spoon, metal spatula and a fork, but a whisk works best. You just need to find that pan temp that let's it cook just right. If you have an electric stove (like me) it makes it harder. Gas rules. My grandmother cook over wood. She was a fucking champ at country cooking and her gravy make the squirrel, um palatable. Shotgun shells, not so much.

531 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:05:10am

re: #503 Dragon_Lady

Nope, still got my tonsils. Never got tonsillitis, my brothers all did though. Any info would be helpful. Thanks!

If you can and if your insurance covers it, get them taken out!
It's a much more painful operation when you're an adult, but it's still a one day in and out sort of thing, and I swear it did more than anything to cut down on bronchitis and asthma for me. I used to have bronchitis at least once a year, and asthma year round.
Now, I haven't had bronchitis in like ten years, (but i'll get a respiritory infection that doesnt evolve into that like every 5 years, if I'm not careful) and I still have asthma but I don't need daily med for it-- or even every year.
Talk to other people with it on med boards or something, and also as many docs as possible-- this is what worked for me but they probably have better treatments now, and I think avoiding surgery is always a good idea whenever possible.
Good luck!

532 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:05:30am

re: #529 Dragon_Lady

Can't wait to try it! I'll let you know how it turns out! I love to make all kinds of food and RWC is an excellent cook (for a guy, ha!) so trying something new will be a treat. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Let me know!

533 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:05:37am

re: #509 iceweasel

That's what I thought my problem is. I'm too lazy and a proper roux does take constant stirring. I swear I've turned away from one, that was going great, for like 40 seconds and it's all over. 20 seconds if it's already darkening.

Whisk forever or is a wooden spoon ok when you get to the cooking stage? Sorry if this is a very obvious question

eh - I use a fork. That way I can break up any lumps of flour.

So probably your whisk is the closest equivalent.
One more thing - once you remove it from the heat - the pan is still hot - and you have to keep stirring until it has cooled enough that it won't burn.

534 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:05:55am

re: #525 reine.de.tout

hahaha!
Of course!
Can't believe I screwed that up.

I've noticed that you often leave out a consonant here and there. I don't think that makes you a bad person.

535 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:06:00am

re: #485 filetandrelease

Plus one heaping dose of patience, and a phone on mute.//

536 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:06:13am

re: #499 reine.de.tout

You have to keep stirring. I mean, you cannot leave it for one second. It might take 30 minutes. You have to stir stir stir continuously. Put a little more flour in stir stir stir. Do not stop. That's the trick.

Yep. Like I said.....pancake power :))

537 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:06:38am

re: #530 Jeff In Ohio

pellets. watch out for the pellets, they're hiding in the gravy. And the wooly mouth. Ack!

538 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:07:24am

re: #520 tradewind

Still digging.
[Link: thehill.com...]

wow

539 ryannon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:07:43am

re: #501 cliffster

how do cajuns live past the age of 40?

Their great music keeps them going....

540 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:08:07am

re: #533 reine.de.tout

eh - I use a fork. That way I can break up any lumps of flour.

So probably your whisk is the closest equivalent.
One more thing - once you remove it from the heat - the pan is still hot - and you have to keep stirring until it has cooled enough that it won't burn.

Reine I only cook with cast iron. I feel I can control the heat much better than with any other cookware.

541 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:09:00am

re: #531 iceweasel

Iceweasel my friend, I haven't had medical insurance on over 5 years and no self respecting insurance company will take me on. I have waaay too many preexisting conditions and now the new health care bill is probably stalled so it looks as if that's not going to change anytime soon. Would be that I could...

542 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:09:08am

re: #526 Aceofwhat?

Sales definitely got shifted to November to take advantage of what was the then expiring homeowner tax credit. It got expanded before the Nov 30 deadline, to include not just new homeowners, but it's not creating new demand, even with the credit and low mortgage rates because unemployment is still high and all too many parts of the country see their real estate holdings underwater if they bought into the teeth of the bubble. They aren't willing to take losses, so they're not putting their homes on the market, which increases pressures on foreclosures since many can't afford their payments (even with modifications). The Administration (Obama and Bush) needed to stay out of the way and let the markets adjust on their own. It would have been sharp and painful, but we're seeing a long and drawn out pain instead as real estate prices are still too high in many parts of the country and the attempt to forestall foreclosures is actually artificially keeping the prices above where they should be based on what the markets should bear.

Once prices fall, the demand will pick up.

543 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:09:24am

re: #363 MandyManners

Shhh... don't wanna' gore any sacred cows.


Starting up again about that there sex talk are you? /

544 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:09:40am

re: #528 CapeCoddah

My wife was very involved with Issaquah Highlands, and moved on to another planned community to the south - Cascadia..... total halt. When Centex pulled out, and the other two bulders had major cuts - end of the line for now.

The market is not there.

545 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:09:50am

re: #530 Jeff In Ohio

Excuse me while I double post on folks...4 horus of sleep and a hangover will do that.

I can't compete with the French, but I've used a wooden spoon, metal spatula and a fork, but a whisk works best. You just need to find that pan temp that let's it cook just right. If you have an electric stove (like me) it makes it harder. Gas rules

That's my issue. I've tried like three times on my old stove (gas) with varying results, and then a few times on Jimmah's stove in scotland.

About that last, let me say: once the spousal visa comes through, the first major purchase is a new stove. Or 'cooker' as it is called there. Gas is of course mandatory. So is flame one can regulate.

546 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:10:25am

re: #540 Blueheron

Me too!

or to?...two?...ugh...

I love the cast iron, been collecting it for many years.

547 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:10:49am

re: #432 filetandrelease

I always thought Arron Burr started it when he shot Hamiton.

Politics has always been a nasty business. We've actually grown more refined as we've aged.

548 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:10:54am

re: #501 cliffster

Its dat cayenne, cher.
Blows out the cholesterol like a butane torch.

549 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:11:20am

re: #533 reine.de.tout

eh - I use a fork. That way I can break up any lumps of flour.

So probably your whisk is the closest equivalent.
One more thing - once you remove it from the heat - the pan is still hot - and you have to keep stirring until it has cooled enough that it won't burn.

Yeah, need a non- nonstick pan for the fork or whisk. :-(

550 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:11:39am

Stepping out for a bit. If you have something insulting to say to me, please wait a bit til I get back so I can ignore it more pertinently.

551 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:11:39am

re: #376 marjoriemoon

Oh that's it! How did you set that up? Where is Show Email? I didn't see it in My Account up top.

Ice, I would LOVE if you sent me an email :) hehe, but actually I wanted to connect with SF Zionist. I have some info I wanted to give her (I'll type it here later) about Father Patrick Desbois. My mother wrote him and received an answer back. They're going into Belarus between now and the spring, probably when the weather gets better, to search for more bodies (Holocaust grave sites). She mentioned she had family there.

Cool Marjorie. Now I have to figure the e-mail thingy out also .:X

552 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:11:45am

re: #537 Jeff In Ohio

Use a whisk, they work real well to keep lumps from forming. My momma taught me how to make good gravy when I was 6!

553 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:12:15am

re: #545 iceweasel

That's my issue. I've tried like three times on my old stove (gas) with varying results, and then a few times on Jimmah's stove in scotland.

About that last, let me say: once the spousal visa comes through, the first major purchase is a new stove. Or 'cooker' as it is called there. Gas is of course mandatory. So is flame one can regulate.

AS blueheron points out, the pan can make a big difference. Cast iron and heavy aluminum will hold the heat longer and offer better temp stability.

554 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:12:33am

re: #541 Dragon_Lady

Iceweasel my friend, I haven't had medical insurance on over 5 years and no self respecting insurance company will take me on. I have waaay too many preexisting conditions and now the new health care bill is probably stalled so it looks as if that's not going to change anytime soon. Would be that I could...

I hear you. I do. :-(

555 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:12:35am

re: #550 cliffster

Darn, you're no fun!

556 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:13:27am

re: #553 Jeff In Ohio

AS blueheron points out, the pan can make a big difference. Cast iron and heavy aluminum will hold the heat longer and offer better temp stability.

Yep.
Mom mom & grandmother only ever made a roux in a cast iron pan.
It's a must, imo.

557 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:13:35am

re: #542 lawhawk

Completely agree. With much tighter mortgage lending standards in place, I expect home sales to ease back rather than rush back once the prices support an increase, but hopefully with much tighter standards in place it'll be a much more healthy growth in sales (and therefore prices).

Another example of gov't not knowing best, imo.

558 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:13:47am

re: #554 iceweasel

Such is life, I never let it get me down or I'd be a miserable lump and divorced! :-) Keep smiling!

559 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:14:06am

re: #549 iceweasel

Yeah, need a non- nonstick pan for the fork or whisk. :-(

No non dairy creamer in the coffee, no water in the scotch, not tobacco in the reefer, no lime in the beer, no nonstick cookware in the kitchen.

560 ryannon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:14:17am

More and even better Cajun music:

561 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:14:25am

re: #546 Jeff In Ohio

Me too!

or to?...two?...ugh...

I love the cast iron, been collecting it for many years.


When we moved to Florida I left behind my collection with my son. I had37 skillets now he has 30 .

I have a Sydney pot which is over 100 years old and it still makes a mean soup.

It's nice to meet another collector. I collected Griswold what about you?

562 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:15:00am

re: #559 Jeff In Ohio

Does ice count as water in the scotch... if so, I'm guilty.

563 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:15:12am

Sorry to have posted and run but I had to hop on top of the laundry before it hopped on top of me. How two people generate all this laundry is beyond me.

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:15:20am

re: #558 Dragon_Lady

I think that the pre-existing conditions thingy is going to go thru. That and dropping clients. But, that's all I see.

565 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:15:25am

re: #560 ryannon

Wish I could hear it, our sound card is on the fritz, but I'll give you an upding for the thought!

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:15:36am

re: #560 ryannon

GEAUX!

567 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:16:17am

re: #559 Jeff In Ohio

No non dairy creamer in the coffee, no water in the scotch, not tobacco in the reefer, no lime in the beer, no nonstick cookware in the kitchen.

Scotland doesn't even put coffee in their coffee. /
(not kidding)

But lime in beer is essential for some beers....

568 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:16:26am

re: #543
Blueheron

re: #363 MandyManners

Shhh... don't wanna' gore any sacred cows.

Starting up again about that there sex talk are you? /

Gore has sex with cows?

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:16:59am

re: #568 Spare O'Lake

Gore has sex with cows?

Why yes. Yes he does.

570 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:17:04am

re: #563 MandyManners

Tell me about it! I can empathize, I do six to eight loads a week and that's only for RWC and I!

571 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:17:36am

re: #549 iceweasel

Yeah, need a non- nonstick pan for the fork or whisk. :-(


I use stainless steel cook ware, and a wisk.

Note, you can't let it cool simply by taking it off the heat, it will burn, you MUST put something into it to cool it down quickly.

572 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:17:38am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #568 Spare O'Lake


Why yes. Yes he does.

But only as a means to reduce the greenhouses gases, right?

574 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:18:11am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that the pre-existing conditions thingy is going to go thru. That and dropping clients. But, that's all I see.

I sincerely hope so, but until I get a job medical insurance is out of the question.

575 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:18:21am

re: #562 drymocke

Does ice count as water in the scotch... if so, I'm guilty.

That's not so bad. I once knew a woman from Kentucky in Kentucky who drank Diet Pepsi with Maker's Mark.

Sacrilege!!!

576 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:18:25am

re: #542 lawhawk

Sales definitely got shifted to November to take advantage of what was the then expiring homeowner tax credit. It got expanded before the Nov 30 deadline, to include not just new homeowners, but it's not creating new demand, even with the credit and low mortgage rates because unemployment is still high and all too many parts of the country see their real estate holdings underwater if they bought into the teeth of the bubble. They aren't willing to take losses, so they're not putting their homes on the market, which increases pressures on foreclosures since many can't afford their payments (even with modifications). The Administration (Obama and Bush) needed to stay out of the way and let the markets adjust on their own. It would have been sharp and painful, but we're seeing a long and drawn out pain instead as real estate prices are still too high in many parts of the country and the attempt to forestall foreclosures is actually artificially keeping the prices above where they should be based on what the markets should bear.

Once prices fall, the demand will pick up.


The prices fall anymore where I am they will be somewhere near the tops of our toe nails.///

577 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:18:52am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And you know this how???

578 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:19:00am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that the pre-existing conditions thingy is going to go thru. That and dropping clients. But, that's all I see.

It isn't going to help all the folks with pre-existing conditions as it's written, because the private insurance buy-in will still be way too high for them.
That's my pessimistic understanding of (the current) HCR, but it's hung up now indefinitely anyway.

579 ryannon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:19:35am

re: #577 Dragon_Lady

And you know this how???

He's seen the videos.

580 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:19:48am

re: #568 Spare O'Lake

Gore has sex with cows?

Now, now. Tipper's quite cute and trim.

581 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:01am

re: #575 MandyManners

"Maker's Mark." ???
Do I want to know? :-P

582 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:23am

re: #545 iceweasel

That's my issue. I've tried like three times on my old stove (gas) with varying results, and then a few times on Jimmah's stove in scotland.

About that last, let me say: once the spousal visa comes through, the first major purchase is a new stove. Or 'cooker' as it is called there. Gas is of course mandatory. So is flame one can regulate.


I don't use a whisk. I just use a silver spoon and a cast iron pan. Works well for me.

583 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:23am

re: #570 Dragon_Lady

Tell me about it! I can empathize, I do six to eight loads a week and that's only for RWC and I!

We're around 10 a week, and The Kid's not quite five feet yet.

584 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:25am

re: #576 Blueheron

Just sold my father's home in Venice, FL...listed at $305,000 and sold at $230,000

585 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:32am

re: #579 ryannon

Bleaugh!

586 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:50am

re: #581 Dragon_Lady

"Maker's Mark." ???
Do I want to know? :-P

An excellent top shelf burbon

587 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:20:52am

re: #580 MandyManners

Now, now. Tipper's quite cute and trim.

So Gore is a cow tipper?

588 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:21:40am

re: #578 iceweasel

It isn't going to help all the folks with pre-existing conditions as it's written, because the private insurance buy-in will still be way too high for them.
That's my pessimistic understanding of (the current) HCR, but it's hung up now indefinitely anyway.

Bummer... Life goes on!

589 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:22:47am

re: #580 MandyManners

Okay, one out of two......//

590 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:22:48am

re: #579 ryannon

He's seen the videos.

A video of two cows fucking?

591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:22:53am

re: #574 Dragon_Lady

I sincerely hope so, but until I get a job medical insurance is out of the question.

You dang women have so many gooey parts... no wonder insurance companies and doctors are askeert of ya.

They have doctors just for women parts? Why? Those are the only docs that are willing to get near them.

592 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:22:56am

re: #559 Jeff In Ohio

No non dairy creamer in the coffee, no water in the scotch, not tobacco in the reefer, no lime in the beer, no nonstick cookware in the kitchen.

ugh...have you ever tried corona WITHOUT lime? methinks they market the lime for a reason...masks the otherwise disappointing taste.

593 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:23:01am

re: #581 Dragon_Lady

"Maker's Mark." ???
Do I want to know? :-P

Good bourbon.

594 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:23:02am

re: #586 CapeCoddah

An excellent top shelf burbon

Oh, your kidding. Please say your kidding? I can't stand the stuff, now a good Tequila? That I can do! Cazadores for me please!

595 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:23:17am

re: #584 drymocke

Just sold my father's home in Venice, FL...listed at $305,000 and sold at $230,000

On the flip side, I bought a house originally assessed at $280,000 for $165,000.

596 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:23:23am

re: #561 Blueheron

When we moved to Florida I left behind my collection with my son. I had37 skillets now he has 30 .

I have a Sydney pot which is over 100 years old and it still makes a mean soup.

It's nice to meet another collector. I collected Griswold what about you?

WHen my folks moved retired ton Nowhere. Illinois, my old man left me his small array of Griswold's that came off the family farm in Tennessee, including my beloved 12 inch skillet and teh dutch oven he taught me to make bread in over an open fire in our suburban backyard in NJ when I was 9, just like his mom taught him. I've collected a bunch of other stuff over the years and I used to have this huge 20" skillet, but traded it for some tattoo work a number of years back. That pan feeds a bunch of locals on the beach in Belize now.

597 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:23:30am

re: #584 drymocke

Just sold my father's home in Venice, FL...listed at $305,000 and sold at $230,000


I hear you. You are lucky you sold it. I bet $203,000. maybe what he paid for it let's say 10 years or more ago.

The house next to me is in foreclosure for $230,000. It would have gone for in the range of $600,000. 4 years ago.

598 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:09am

re: #584 drymocke

Not too bad for FL. It's right in there with CA and NV for real estate plunges.

599 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:13am

re: #587 filetandrelease

So Gore is a cow tipper?

You know, somehow, I could see that. It's his revenge for all the methane they release... "Cursed cow, stop screwing up the planet!" followed by a push.

I make myself laugh sometimes. Maybe I amuse to easily.

600 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:14am

re: #587 filetandrelease

So Gore is a cow tipper?

*rimshot*

601 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:24am

re: #591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gooey parts? At least mine don't stick out! ;-P

602 ryannon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:28am

re: #590 MandyManners

A video of two cows fucking?

That's how it started...and then he got hooked on cows.

603 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:30am

re: #596 Jeff In Ohio

Now there's something I would like to know how to do... been seasoning a dutch oven for 20 years but never had the courage to try outdoors...

604 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:53am

re: #567 iceweasel

Scotland doesn't even put coffee in their coffee. /
(not kidding)

But lime in beer is essential for some beers...

Which is why you shouldn't be drinking them. :)

605 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:54am

re: #602 ryannon

That's how it started...and then he got hooked on cows.

Oh yuck!

606 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:54am

re: #590 MandyManners

Someone's bullshiitin' us.

607 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:24:58am

re: #601 Dragon_Lady

Gooey parts? At least mine don't stick out! ;-P

flat chested, are ya!?!?!

NTTAWWT!!

608 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:25:11am

re: #596 Jeff In Ohio

WHen my folks moved retired ton Nowhere. Illinois, my old man left me his small array of Griswold's that came off the family farm in Tennessee, including my beloved 12 inch skillet and teh dutch oven he taught me to make bread in over an open fire in our suburban backyard in NJ when I was 9, just like his mom taught him. I've collected a bunch of other stuff over the years and I used to have this huge 20" skillet, but traded it for some tattoo work a number of years back. That pan feeds a bunch of locals on the beach in Belize now.

You evah come across a number 0 you act like you don't really need it and you give 'em five bucks then come talk to your Aunty Blue :))

609 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:25:15am

No matter what, every time I ding or look at dings I get kicked to the front page so, I won't be dinging up for now. (I've cleared my cache repeatedly and have rebooted repeatedly.)

610 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:25:55am

re: #594 Dragon_Lady

Oh, your kidding. Please say your kidding? I can't stand the stuff, now a good Tequila? That I can do! Cazadores for me please!

One night in college put me off tequila for life.

611 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:25:58am

re: #609 MandyManners

No matter what, every time I ding or look at dings I get kicked to the front page so, I won't be dinging up for now. (I've cleared my cache repeatedly and have rebooted repeatedly.)

Ya busted another DingALing, did ya!?!?!

612 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:26:10am

re: #590 MandyManners

A video of two cows fucking?

You mean you have a video? ///

613 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:26:13am

re: #587 filetandrelease

So Gore is a cow tipper?

LMAO! Where do you come up with this stuff? Wait, wait, I don't want to know...

614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:26:53am

re: #612 iceweasel

re: #590 MandyManners

Ah geez.

Later taters.

615 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:26:58am

re: #610 MandyManners

One night in college put me off tequila for life.

Did that with beer for me, can't stand the smell to this day!

616 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:27:26am

re: #599 MrSilverDragon

You know, somehow, I could see that. It's his revenge for all the methane they release... "Cursed cow, stop screwing up the planet!" followed by a push.

I make myself laugh sometimes. Maybe I amuse to easily.

Well, so do I, then 'cause I'm laughing out loud.

617 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:27:36am

Slideshow of perp pix here:

[Link: sec.11alive.com...]

618 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:01am

some interesting stats on wind power...not promising (what a ridiculous notion)
it's just pathetic and frustrating we don't develope our own energy resources

[Link: www.investors.com...]

619 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:02am

re: #602 ryannon

That's how it started...and then he got hooked on cows.

Hmmm...hmmm...hmmm.

620 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:16am

re: #613 Dragon_Lady

Once I got caught in Mandys brain, I have never been the same since.

621 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:21am

re: #610 MandyManners

One night in college put me off tequila for life.

It was vodka for me. Pre-college. Young and stupid. The smell of vodka makes me woozy now. No more screwdrivers for me.

622 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:37am

re: #596 Jeff In Ohio


I used to have this huge 20" skillet, but traded it for some tattoo work a number of years back.


Oh, dear. The impetuousness of youth....

623 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:38am

re: #606 tradewind

Someone's bullshiitin' us.

Patty?

624 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:41am

re: #607 sattv4u2

flat chested, are ya!?!?!

NTTAWWT!!

You'll have to ask RWC about that, and i doubt he'll tell you... :-p

625 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:28:59am

re: #611 sattv4u2

Ya busted another DingALing, did ya!?!?!

Something busted it.

626 Semper Fi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:29:42am

Good morning Lizard Nation
Surprised to wake and find a most welcome light rain. Think I'll stay in today.

re: #582 Blueheron

I don't use a whisk. I just use a silver spoon and a cast iron pan. Works well for me.

Lurking before this post and noticed cast iron mentioned a few times. You, and I others. I'm curious. Is it the 'enameled' version?
I've been thinking of purchasing a couple fry pans.

627 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:29:43am

re: #594 Dragon_Lady

Oh, your kidding. Please say your kidding? I can't stand the stuff, now a good Tequila? That I can do! Cazadores for me please!

LOL, Dont feel bad, I cant drink really at all. cannot stand the taste of any of it. But, I have bartended many a summer, and I provide my clients with top shelf stuff anytime they require service. Once in a great while, I can work on a good Scotch, but it will take me hours to finish one. Hubby usually ends up finishing any I start.

628 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:30:08am

re: #595 thedopefishlives

On the flip side, I bought a house originally assessed at $280,000 for $165,000.

anything is only worth what someone will pay for it...appraisals are just part of the whole artificial real estate/tax scam...live and learn

629 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:30:16am

re: #622 tradewind

Oh, dear. The impetuousness of youth...

Yeah. I thought the same. A number 20 what WERE you thinking? :))

630 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:30:27am

re: #592 Aceofwhat?

ugh...have you ever tried corona WITHOUT lime? methinks they market the lime for a reason...masks the otherwise disappointing taste.

You can choose not to drink Corona!

631 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:30:48am

re: #615 Dragon_Lady

Did that with beer for me, can't stand the smell to this day!

The only use I have for beer is to rinse my hair. Henry Weinhard is good for that.

632 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:31:23am

Corona light could be the only beer I won't drink.

633 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:31:52am

re: #621 MrSilverDragon

It was vodka for me. Pre-college. Young and stupid. The smell of vodka makes me woozy now. No more screwdrivers for me.

Had a boyfriend in college who loved Finlandia.

634 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:31:53am

re: #609 MandyManners

Oh, maybe that's the problem. I'm posting while filling in at my Dad's office on the world's most firewalled/slowest PC and the same thing happens.

635 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:32:15am

re: #631 MandyManners

The only use I have for beer is to rinse my hair. Henry Weinhard is good for that.

Chile takes a long time to cook. As it looses liquid, pour in beer. Yum.

636 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:32:21am

re: #630 Jeff In Ohio

You can choose not to drink Corona!

Dogfish Head 90 minute IPA is my "beer" of choice. Love it! My wife can't stand the hoppy smell, though, but that's a small price to pay.

637 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:32:21am

re: #599 MrSilverDragon

You know, somehow, I could see that. It's his revenge for all the methane they release... "Cursed cow, stop screwing up the planet!" followed by a push.

I make myself laugh sometimes. Maybe I amuse to easily.

Thats good cause I think your funny too! Upding for you!

638 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:32:54am

re: #608 Blueheron

That sounds like a tiny skillet.

639 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:33:09am

TPM

What is the Pelican Institute?
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

640 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:33:14am

re: #618 albusteve

That's something I've been saying for quite some time; the only way to reduce dependency on oil and natural gas is to build nuclear - which can provide compact siting and sufficient energy to replace existing coal, gas, or oil plants (and meet new demand). Wind power is never going to amount to anything more than a small percentage of energy production because of the land use needs. California is pretty much prohibiting any solar or wind development in the Mojave Desert (thanks Feinstein). Vistas and views over power production in sparsely populated areas. And it doesn't even begin to touch on the need to string power lines to these far flung wind power farms (that's what killed a T Boone Pickens plan in Texas).

641 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:33:16am

re: #637 Dragon_Lady

Thats good cause I think your funny too! Upding for you!

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal!

642 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:33:42am

re: #626 Semper Fi

Find a few basic pieces of Le Creuset (enamel on cast iron) at an outlet or an estate sale and you're set for life.

643 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:34:03am

re: #622 tradewind

Oh, dear. The impetuousness of youth...

? I was 35 at the time.

644 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:34:09am

re: #634 tradewind

Oh, maybe that's the problem. I'm posting while filling in at my Dad's office on the world's most firewalled/slowest PC and the same thing happens.

Mine's fairly new.

645 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:34:30am

re: #580 MandyManners

Now, now. Tipper's quite cute and trim.

Yes she is...BTW, did she ever manage to get the pig's tongue out of her throat?

646 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:34:57am

re: #617 Thanos

The look pretty confident for being so stupid.

647 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:35:06am

re: #635 filetandrelease

Chile takes a long time to cook. As it looses liquid, pour in beer. Yum.

I know the alcohol is cooked off but, I don't use any when cooking for The Kid.

648 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:35:30am

re: #638 Jeff In Ohio

That sounds like a tiny skillet.

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

649 Semper Fi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:36:32am

re: #642 tradewind

Find a few basic pieces of Le Creuset (enamel on cast iron) at an outlet or an estate sale and you're set for life.

Le Creuset. That's what I've been looking at. Pricey but looks like they could stand the test of time.

650 jaunte  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:36:47am

re: #646 Killgore Trout

The look pretty confident for being so stupid.

It's the 'true believer' effect.

651 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:36:53am

re: #645 Spare O'Lake

Huh?

652 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:37:10am

re: #627 CapeCoddah

Most of the time my drink of choice is good old H2O. but a good red wine is nice every now and then.

653 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:37:10am

re: #646 Killgore Trout

The look pretty confident for being so stupid.

Stan Dai was also in YAF, and ran a "jr spy program" at Trinity... the background on these guys looks like we have a new Chuck Colson crowd.

Breitbart pays a salary to O'Keefe according to the HH interview and TPM
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

654 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:37:50am

re: #640 lawhawk
I agree 100%. It is a travesty of washington that our "leaders" have not pushed ahead with nuclear reactors. Electric cars are coming, we can build high speed electric trains,(mag lev) and we are so behind the curve. A damn shame.

655 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:37:54am

Some slightly better news than the home sales report...Caterpillar is cited here as an example of the bullwhip effect, where companies who have already lowered their inventory need to place larger orders from their suppliers to meet even a small increase in expected demand.

The phenomena will make profits appear to be smaller in some cases because firms need to spend more than usual per sale, but the spending will create a very welcome ripple effect through vendors, suppliers, etc. and is a crucial component of real recovery.

Ok, so maybe it's only interesting if you're a supply chain/operations/purchasing/inventory management geek like me.

Ok, so maybe it's only interesting to me.

656 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:38:55am

re: #645 Spare O'Lake

Yes she is...BTW, did she ever manage to get the pig's tongue out of her throat?

Oh gross! Not a mental picture I needed! Really! :-O

657 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:39:08am

re: #647 MandyManners

I know the alcohol is cooked off but, I don't use any when cooking for The Kid.


You don't emulsify with white wine!?

658 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:39:31am

re: #480 lawhawk

Roux is butter (or other oil) and then flour - which forms the basis of many of the classic French sauces.

I don't know the language of roux but I was certainly taught to make it.
I use milk for a white sauce or a clear soup which I make from oxtails OR a bit of pan drippings from whatever I have been burning roasting in the oven.

659 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:41:04am

re: #640 lawhawk

That's something I've been saying for quite some time; the only way to reduce dependency on oil and natural gas is to build nuclear - which can provide compact siting and sufficient energy to replace existing coal, gas, or oil plants (and meet new demand). Wind power is never going to amount to anything more than a small percentage of energy production because of the land use needs. California is pretty much prohibiting any solar or wind development in the Mojave Desert (thanks Feinstein). Vistas and views over power production in sparsely populated areas. And it doesn't even begin to touch on the need to string power lines to these far flung wind power farms (that's what killed a T Boone Pickens plan in Texas).

Something a few of us have been saying for a long time, and i'm glad to have company on the soapbox. Modern nuclear reactors are safe, stable, and churning out power seemingly everywhere but here. My backyard is officially open to any powerplant that wants to move in.

660 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:41:30am

re: #652 Dragon_Lady

Most of the time my drink of choice is good old H2O. but a good red wine is nice every now and then.

Same for me, Water it is. I can't stomach wine.

661 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:41:56am

re: #649 Semper Fi

It cooks as evenly as cast iron, is practically nonstick w/out the nasty teflon stuff, lasts forever. Beware of imitations (like Martha Stewart's). I toss mine in the dishwasher, and expect it will get passed down to my daughter in another hundred years or so.///
It's one thing the French still do well.

662 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:42:21am

re: #635 filetandrelease

Chile takes a long time to cook. As it looses liquid, pour in beer. Yum.

You have that right. Only I use water then add the beer the last hour of simmering. I never tell folks where that flavor comes from but you would know :)
BTW a smidgen of marmite is great for anything that has a meat base. I put it in my chili. No one has caught onto that yet.

663 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:42:57am

re: #657 filetandrelease

You don't emulsify with white wine!?

I don't emulsify much.

664 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:43:35am

re: #640 lawhawk

The only way is to build nuclear? Really? You don't think that any alternative energy will ever be able to provide power?

That's going to suck for us when the radioactive materials run out, then.

Or did you just mean at this particular moment, with our current level of technology?

665 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:43:51am

re: #653 Thanos

Stan Dai was also in YAF, and ran a "jr spy program" at Trinity... the background on these guys looks like we have a new Chuck Colson crowd.

Breitbart pays a salary to O'Keefe according to the HH interview and TPM
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I think there's a good chance Breitbart knew what was going on. These guys were caught red handed and the penalties are pretty serious so if there is a chance to implicate Breitbart in a plea bargain I think these guys will go for it.

666 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:44:27am

I want one of these mini nukes in my back yard.

667 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:44:28am

re: #663 MandyManners

I don't emulsify much.

You need to get out more, Mandy!/

668 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:45:07am

re: #111 SixDegrees

Broad brush, much?

The open hostility and puerile overreach of the Left seems to have increased by a couple orders of magnitude since Brown's Senate win.

Oh, I think we've got bipartisan hostility and overreach happening around here.

669 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:45:27am

re: #638 Jeff In Ohio

That sounds like a tiny skillet.


They were salesman samples and are very very rare. Last I checked in the thousands rare. Why do ya think I wanted you to check back with Aunty Blue? / lol

670 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:45:54am

re: #663 MandyManners

I don't emulsify much.

It usually emulsifies me! Not a white wine lover... Took me almost a year to like red wine, and I had to do it via a wine tasting course.

671 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:45:59am

re: #580 MandyManners

Now, now. Tipper's quite cute and trim.

Tipper is a horrible, horrible woman. There was never a shot that I would have ever voted for Al just because of her.

Down with the PMRC! (I know it was 1984 but I hold a grudge)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


Like John Denver, Snider felt that his music had been misinterpreted. He defended the Twisted Sister songs "Under the Blade", which had been interpreted as referring to sadomasochism, bondage, and rape, and "We're Not Gonna Take It", which had been accused of promoting violence. Snider said about "Under the Blade", a song Snider claimed was written about an impending surgery, that "the only sadomasochism, bondage, and rape in this song is in the mind of Ms. Gore." He stated, "Ms. Gore was looking for sadomasochism and bondage, and she found it. Someone looking for surgical references would have found it as well." Snider concluded that "The full responsibility for defending children falls on the shoulders of my wife and I, because there is no one else capable of making these judgments for us."

672 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:46:02am

re: #662 Blueheron

Blecchch! (marmite)
Why not just toss in some vegemite? It's almost as tasty.//

673 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:46:09am

re: #640 lawhawk

That's something I've been saying for quite some time; the only way to reduce dependency on oil and natural gas is to build nuclear - which can provide compact siting and sufficient energy to replace existing coal, gas, or oil plants (and meet new demand). Wind power is never going to amount to anything more than a small percentage of energy production because of the land use needs. California is pretty much prohibiting any solar or wind development in the Mojave Desert (thanks Feinstein). Vistas and views over power production in sparsely populated areas. And it doesn't even begin to touch on the need to string power lines to these far flung wind power farms (that's what killed a T Boone Pickens plan in Texas).

Pickens had a sweet deal going if someone else picket up the massive tab fot the grid..anyway the obvious solution are cut down nukes like the Hyperion, installed here and there where the weakened/aging grid cam be up graded as needed...we need to get a trial run going to see how these would work, and I see little reason why they won't....but people just won't budge...and it's all tied in with water shortages in CA, who could lead the charge

674 Semper Fi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:46:11am

re: #661 tradewind

It cooks as evenly as cast iron, is practically nonstick w/out the nasty teflon stuff, lasts forever. Beware of imitations (like Martha Stewart's). I toss mine in the dishwasher, and expect it will get passed down to my daughter in another hundred years or so.///
It's one thing the French still do well.

Thanks for the info and helpful caution. Tradewind also recommends. Now I'm feeling more confident about cast iron.

675 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:46:14am

re: #662 Blueheron
I will have to give that a try.

676 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:46:39am

re: #665 Killgore Trout

Hard to say, looking at this it appears that most of them are from an environment where radicalism is expected and usually forgiven, but never figured out that they are in the real world now.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

677 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:46:45am

re: #664 Obdicut

The only way is to build nuclear? Really? You don't think that any alternative energy will ever be able to provide power?

That's going to suck for us when the radioactive materials run out, then.

Or did you just mean at this particular moment, with our current level of technology?

It's going to suck for us eventually one way or another. We're fighting a battle against entropy and we're sooner or later going to lose. Unless you can take on the second law of thermodynamics and win.

678 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:47:03am

re: #186 MandyManners

Robert Gibbs just said "terrorists" but he bracketed it with "murderers" and "thugs".

They just don't get it do they?

679 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:47:26am

re: #669 Blueheron

They were salesman samples and are very very rare. Last I checked in the thousands rare. Why do ya think I wanted you to check back with Aunty Blue? / lol

I have one of those, it was my great grandmothers. I did not realize those were rare. I use it and the huge one she left me all the time.

680 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:47:35am

re: #662 Blueheron


marmite ??? What the huh or am I repeating myself, again?

681 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:47:36am

re: #667 CapeCoddah

You need to get out more, Mandy!/

Yep.

682 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:48:14am

Gotta' reboot.

683 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:48:31am

re: #664 Obdicut

The only way is to build nuclear? Really? You don't think that any alternative energy will ever be able to provide power?

That's going to suck for us when the radioactive materials run out, then.

Or did you just mean at this particular moment, with our current level of technology?

for me it's this particular moment. that resource isn't renewable either, but we have plenty of it for now and the only byproduct of its use can be either reprocessed or safely stored underground. what in the hell are we waiting for? wind sucks...i have hope for solar energy but it's just not going to happen overnight.

684 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:48:49am

re: #665 Killgore Trout

One interesting unanswered question is what they were looking for.
While not an element of their defense, I would still like to know.

685 Semper Fi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:48:52am

re: #661 tradewind

Sorry for the confusion. Anyway, tomorrow I go shopping.

686 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:48:52am

re: #624 Dragon_Lady

You'll have to ask RWC about that, and i doubt he'll tell you... :-p

I so knew you would get "busted" on that...

687 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:49:36am

re: #671 RogueOne

Filth, like beauty, is often in the mind of the beholder...

688 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:49:56am

re: #660 CapeCoddah

Same for me, Water it is. I can't stomach wine.

With a good rare steak you can't beat an good Cabernet or Shiraz!

689 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:50:32am

re: #686 Rightwingconspirator

I so knew you would get "busted" on that...

LMAO on that one you!

690 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:51:14am

re: #688 Dragon_Lady

Has anyone else noticed that with the down turn in the economy Grade A Angus steak on sale is often less than the price of ground beef...

691 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:51:16am

re: #683 Aceofwhat?

for me it's this particular moment. that resource isn't renewable either, but we have plenty of it for now and the only byproduct of its use can be either reprocessed or safely stored underground. what in the hell are we waiting for? wind sucks...i have hope for solar energy but it's just not going to happen overnight.

fuck it....let's just do nothing but argue, that's the ticket

692 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:51:46am

Here we go again with the talk of ping-ponging the senate health care bill and a promise (cross my heart and hope to die...) to pass the house's amendments later through reconciliation. Those evil democrats, subverting democracy againt.

693 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:52:02am

re: #690 drymocke

Has anyone else noticed that with the down turn in the economy Grade A Angus steak on sale is often less than the price of ground beef...

Oh yeah, and my taste buds dance the happy dance with each bite!

694 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:52:48am

re: #664 Obdicut

The only way is to build nuclear? Really? You don't think that any alternative energy will ever be able to provide power?

That's going to suck for us when the radioactive materials run out, then.

Or did you just mean at this particular moment, with our current level of technology?

Nuclear materials aren't going to run out anytime soon, even conservative estimates project 5K years or more. We've only used nuclear for approximately half a century, so if you think we know where all the sources of nuclear material are then you are probably mistaken.

That's not counting the possibility of Thorium recovery either.

695 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:52:56am

re: #420 iceweasel

I wouldn't know. I assumed anyone mailing CJ would be doing so directly.


I email him from the 'contact' form. Never get a response. Maybe that's why. Or maybe not? :X

696 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:52:57am

re: #693 Dragon_Lady

Oh yeah, and my taste buds dance the happy dance with each bite!

eet mor chikin

697 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:53:03am

re: #647 MandyManners

I use wine and beer in cooking a great deal. I have AA friends, so looked around the net I learned 45 minutes at simmer removes all the alcohol, leaving the flavors or grape, or hops or whatever else is in there. For some things the alcohol gets the flavors out of your vegetables.

698 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:53:31am

Speaking of food, I gotta do some breakfast eating before my stomach goes on strike, BBL!

699 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:53:35am

re: #677 cliffster

The sun pours more energy into the earth every day than we could possibly use. Heat exchange between the surface and relatively shallow depths could likewise provide enormous amounts of energy.

We can't beat the 2nd law, but we could extend the reckoning by millennia.

700 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:54:04am

re: #416 MandyManners

The last decade.
Inherited.

Inherited is worth two drinks./

701 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:55:08am

re: #696 cliffster

eet mor chikin

I ate chicken and turkey f almost exclusively for almost 5 years, I ate so much I started to cluck and grow feathers! Gotta have my red meat now! And lovin every bite!

702 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:55:26am

re: #694 Thanos

Nuclear materials aren't going to run out anytime soon, even conservative estimates project 5K years or more. We've only used nuclear for approximately half a century, so if you think we know where all the sources of nuclear material are then you are probably mistaken.

That's not counting the possibility of Thorium recovery either.

these types of arguments against nuclear power are empty rhetoric, simply a stall tactic...it's going to happen sooner or later out of necessity...another duh! for the stonewallers

703 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:56:15am

re: #699 Obdicut

The sun pours more energy into the earth every day than we could possibly use. Heat exchange between the surface and relatively shallow depths could likewise provide enormous amounts of energy.

We can't beat the 2nd law, but we could extend the reckoning by millennia.

when?...anytime soon?

704 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:56:39am

re: #690 drymocke

Has anyone else noticed that with the down turn in the economy Grade A Angus steak on sale is often less than the price of ground beef...

Depends on where the "angus" meat comes from:

705 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:57:04am

re: #702 albusteve

these types of arguments against nuclear power are empty rhetoric, simply a stall tactic...it's going to happen sooner or later out of necessity...another duh! for the stonewallers

I always say that nuclear is inevitable, one way or another. Solar power won't work when we eventually get to exploring deep space for instance.

706 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:57:23am

re: #670 Dragon_Lady

It usually emulsifies me! Not a white wine lover... Took me almost a year to like red wine, and I had to do it via a wine tasting course.

I don't drink it either, but love to cook with it. It makes a great sauce!

707 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:57:26am

re: #651 MandyManners

Huh?

Famous fwench kiss at 2000 convention.

708 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:57:45am

re: #699 Obdicut

The sun pours more energy into the earth every day than we could possibly use. Heat exchange between the surface and relatively shallow depths could likewise provide enormous amounts of energy.

We can't beat the 2nd law, but we could extend the reckoning by millennia.

That would give time for enough generations to sufficiently dilute my genes to the point where I'm unconcerned. Carry on.

709 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:57:57am

re: #662 Blueheron

You have that right. Only I use water then add the beer the last hour of simmering. I never tell folks where that flavor comes from but you would know :)
BTW a smidgen of marmite is great for anything that has a meat base. I put it in my chili. No one has caught onto that yet.

You're right. I hate marmite with a passion, but a tiny bit of it absolutely works for anything with a meat base.

710 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:58:12am

re: #694 Thanos

Conservative estimates predict a far shorter lifespan than 5K years. Depending on unfound resources is a mug's game, too.

I am fully pro-nuclear. I think we need to start building nuclear reactors, and fast, and with the latest designs.

I just don't want the assertion that it's the only viable energy alternative to gain a foothold. Nuclear is not going to be an option that's heavily exportable, and we need to export clean energy technology.

711 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:58:13am

re: #704 RogueOne

Cute... I hope the scotsman doesn't take offense...

712 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:58:25am

re: #665 Killgore Trout

Interesting: one of the perps has a twitter feed, follows Breitbart, Big Gov, and Ron Paul...

[Link: twitter.com...]

713 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:58:30am

re: #672 tradewind

Blecchch! (marmite)
Why not just toss in some vegemite? It's almost as tasty.//

Use the kind made in Britain.

714 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:59:03am

re: #684 tradewind

One interesting unanswered question is what they were looking for.
While not an element of their defense, I would still like to know.

I assume they were looking for some sort of connection to ACORN, SEIU or just fishing for dirt on healthcare reform negotiations.

715 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:59:21am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

Longer than that, ice. President Clinton didn't have an easy time of it, either, although that was mostly after he revealed himself to be a man of loose character.


Yeah well Truman didn't have an easy time of it either. Boy would he get mad when someone columnist would criticize Margret's piano playing.
They were right...she stunk at it but he was her Daddy before being leader of the free world. /

716 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:59:31am

My liqueur cabinet:

Absolut
Bailey's
Dry Fly gin
Woodford Bourbon
Patron "rested"
Agavero
Sandeman port
MaCallan 18

717 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:59:34am

re: #710 Obdicut

Seems to me nuclear and geothermal are the only 24/7 alternatives.

718 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:59:57am

re: #702 albusteve

these types of arguments against nuclear power are empty rhetoric, simply a stall tactic...it's going to happen sooner or later out of necessity...another duh! for the stonewallers

So sad, the French are way a head of us.

719 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:00:40am

re: #664 Obdicut

Solar only works when the sun is shining, and even if storage can be worked out for cloudy days and nighttime, the size needed to be equivalent to a nuclear power plant is going to lead to NIMBY. The footprint for a wind power or solar project is massive compared to coal, oil, nuclear, or gas.

That leads to opposition and delays in implementation, even when siting is offshore.

Hydro is opposed because it changes ecologies (and if global weather patterns change, it can lead to droughts and lack of water sufficient to power those projects).

So, no. I don't think wind or solar will ever provide anywhere near the power that existing power sources can provide. It will never be more than a fringe component (less than 10% total power production). Nuclear is the best technology at present and for the foreseeable future (and I put it out to 2060-70) when taking global warming concerns into effect. Fusion reactors remain a distant promise and don't see them coming into regular usage anytime soon.

As for nuclear power (fission) - uranium isn't the only power source; other radioactive elements can provide a base, and reprocessing can also result in the source for nuclear power (as is the reprocessing of nuclear weapons by downgrading the weapons grade uranium into low enriched uranium for civilian purposes, which is being done to the Russian nuclear stockpiles as a safety measure).

720 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:00:47am

re: #714 Killgore Trout

I assume they were looking for some sort of connection to ACORN, SEIU or just fishing for dirt on healthcare reform negotiations.

Doubtful, there isn't much of that stuff that goes on at a local office. I'm guessing they were setting up for something they were going to pull later. We'll find out eventually I guess.

721 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:01:24am

re: #710 Obdicut

Conservative estimates predict a far shorter lifespan than 5K years. Depending on unfound resources is a mug's game, too.

I am fully pro-nuclear. I think we need to start building nuclear reactors, and fast, and with the latest designs.

I just don't want the assertion that it's the only viable energy alternative to gain a foothold. Nuclear is not going to be an option that's heavily exportable, and we need to export clean energy technology.

export?! Hell we will have to import it from Japan at the current rate.

722 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:01:42am

Just.... too...slow.
BBL

723 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:02:42am

re: #707 Spare O'Lake

Famous fwench kiss at 2000 convention.

Ahhhhh.

724 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:04:05am

That Jack in the Box commercial made me hungry. Wish there was someplace within 30 miles I could get a real chicago dog. Indiana is a nice state but the farther you get from chicago hoosiers don't do hotdogs well.

725 Semper Fi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:04:37am

Gonna park in my favorite chair a couple hours with my current read. Coffee too. Thanks and enjoy your day lizards.

726 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:04:49am

re: #710 Obdicut

Export is going to happen - the Chinese are already trying to corner that market, and the US export business on nuclear power would be helped immeasurably if the US started approving and building and starting up new nuclear power plants.

There are competing sources for just how much uranium is out there and recovery costs - it's a boom/bust cycle but if nuclear takes off again, the costs for uranium per ton will increase (as it's done in the past), but as for how much is out there, it all depends on efficiencies of how much is needed for a given megawatt of power and the cost to refine that uranium.

727 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:05:33am

How many nuclear power plants can you build with a trillion dollars?

And would that have created more jobs than the last trillion we spent?

728 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:05:39am

re: #485 filetandrelease

Bacon fat + flour + heat + wisk = rummy roux.

There ya go. Then pour on buttered biscuits :))

729 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:05:49am

water shortages in CA are near crisis...nuclear power is their only hope, considering they don't save rainwater and it's not snowing as much in the Sierras...when their ag business crashes, the whole state will go down

730 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:06:17am

re: #726 lawhawk

Can someone please tell me again the downside to nuclear power? Disposal? Or nightmares of Three Mile Island

731 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:06:23am

re: #712 Thanos

Interesting: one of the perps has a twitter feed, follows Breitbart, Big Gov, and Ron Paul...

[Link: twitter.com...]

Veritas is also what O'Kieffe said when being arrested.

732 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:07:01am

re: #720 RogueOne

Doubtful, there isn't much of that stuff that goes on at a local office. I'm guessing they were setting up for something they were going to pull later. We'll find out eventually I guess.

Good point but if they were going to follow the model of their previous operations they could call or visit the office and record it on their end. This time they were bugging phones to record conversations when they weren't around. It'll definitely be interesting to see what pans out of this.

733 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:07:12am

re: #710 Obdicut

Conservative estimates predict a far shorter lifespan than 5K years. Depending on unfound resources is a mug's game, too.

I am fully pro-nuclear. I think we need to start building nuclear reactors, and fast, and with the latest designs.

I just don't want the assertion that it's the only viable energy alternative to gain a foothold. Nuclear is not going to be an option that's heavily exportable, and we need to export clean energy technology.

That's the key statement, and one i agree completely with. The other points are interesting but very minor once we all agree on the middle part. I wish I understood better the opposition to the premise - it just seems so self-evident to me as a natural bridge to more viable renewable tech.

734 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:07:28am

re: #731 Stanley Sea

Veritas is also what O'Kieffe said when being arrested.

I noticed that. Looks like they've got their own little cult going on there.

735 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:08:17am

re: #731 Stanley Sea

Veritas is also what O'Kieffe said when being arrested.


It's also the name of some media outlet they were planing on starting up.

736 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:08:20am

re: #710 Obdicut

Conservative estimates predict a far shorter lifespan than 5K years. Depending on unfound resources is a mug's game, too.

I am fully pro-nuclear. I think we need to start building nuclear reactors, and fast, and with the latest designs.

I just don't want the assertion that it's the only viable energy alternative to gain a foothold. Nuclear is not going to be an option that's heavily exportable, and we need to export clean energy technology.

No conservative estimates do not. Do you have a link to a non loon source?

[Link: www.theoildrum.com...]

It doesn't have to be "nuclear vs solar" - both are good technologies. When nuclear's more in demand, more will be found since U exploration is very inexpensive, and every rift in the crust and volcano is a potential source it's just dumb to assume we will tap all the resources anytime soon.

That guy has a bet on the table, if you really believe what you say, why don't you take him up on it?

737 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:08:24am

re: #718 filetandrelease

So sad, the French are way a head of us.

God it hurts to say that out loud and mean it...

738 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:08:44am

re: #733 Aceofwhat?

That's the key statement, and one i agree completely with. The other points are interesting but very minor once we all agree on the middle part. I wish I understood better the opposition to the premise - it just seems so self-evident to me as a natural bridge to more viable renewable tech.

all that other stuff is just incessant whining...gets on my nerves

739 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:08:59am

re: #730 cliffster

Downsides? Storage of spent materials - whether it's on site at existing power plants or centralized facilities, leakage outside of containment facilities (as has happened at several facilities in the past - not counting TMI or Chernobyl), terror attacks specifically targeting nuke plants that would hope to detonate and spread nuclear materials downwind, and catastrophic failures causing mass contamination (TMI and Chernobyl).

Some of those problems can be avoided with better training, new technologies, and improved security. Storage of spent materials has to be resolved and is a key problem in the US.

740 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:09:19am

re: #732 Killgore Trout

Good point but if they were going to follow the model of their previous operations they could call or visit the office and record it on their end. This time they were bugging phones to record conversations when they weren't around. It'll definitely be interesting to see what pans out of this.

Whatever it was, they didn't think their plan all the way through. This isn't something the feds have a sense of humor about either, they're kinda screwed.

741 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:09:32am

re: #730 cliffster

Can someone please tell me again the downside to nuclear power? Disposal? Or nightmares of Three Mile Island

Yes, yes and security.

742 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:10:12am

re: #727 filetandrelease

How many nuclear power plants can you build with a trillion dollars?

And would that have created more jobs than the last trillion we spent?

said it a million times. you don't spend money to create jobs. you spend money to accomplish an objective, and the jobs will be a necessary component.

743 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:10:18am

re: #711 drymocke

Cute... I hope the scotsman doesn't take offense...

Weren't you pretending to be a 'newbie' in the last thread?
The one where you decided to make some personal comments about me?
It's awfully unusual for a 'new poster' to decide to pick fights with people already on a blog.

It's awfully unusual for a 'new poster' to already be making cracks about not just one poster, but that poster's husband.

744 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:11:56am

re: #739 lawhawk

Downsides? Storage of spent materials - whether it's on site at existing power plants or centralized facilities, leakage outside of containment facilities (as has happened at several facilities in the past - not counting TMI or Chernobyl), terror attacks specifically targeting nuke plants that would hope to detonate and spread nuclear materials downwind, and catastrophic failures causing mass contamination (TMI and Chernobyl).

Some of those problems can be avoided with better training, new technologies, and improved security. Storage of spent materials has to be resolved and is a key problem in the US.

all the thousands of tons of spent fuel sitting around, waiting for a disaster, all the cost of the storage and security adds up...and the greens are opposed to Yucca Mt....totally disconnected as usual

745 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:13:09am

re: #697 Rightwingconspirator

I use wine and beer in cooking a great deal. I have AA friends, so looked around the net I learned 45 minutes at simmer removes all the alcohol, leaving the flavors or grape, or hops or whatever else is in there. For some things the alcohol gets the flavors out of your vegetables.

Cook it off as you do and no alcohol remains. Also, alcohol is really the best for deglazing a pan-- though stock will also work, for people who don't want to use alcohol at all.

746 Slap  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:13:35am

re: #467 iceweasel

Low heat, stirstirstir. Patience. Similar to properly caramelizing onions....take your time, the color arrives with great care.

747 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:14:48am

re: #739 lawhawk

Hmm, good point, gives terrorists a pretty juicy target.

748 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:14:57am
749 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:15:43am

With high-profile terror cases coming up -- like Abdulmutallab's, and the outrageous Khalid Sheik Mohammed trial in New York -- Americans need to know: Is our government putting in a good-faith effort when it comes to punishing the men who want to blow up our people?

Team Obama...defenders of America's...ah....image!

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

750 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:16:47am

re: #556 reine.de.tout

Yep.
Mom mom & grandmother only ever made a roux in a cast iron pan.
It's a must, imo.

Bravo Reine.
And in my opinion the best cast iron was made by Griswold.
I never wash my cast iron. I keep it oiled and when I want to use my pan I heat it on the burner then wipe it with a paper towel. Nonstick forever that way.

751 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:16:52am

re: #730 cliffster

The reflexive resistance to big corporations of the left plays a big part. There are no small companies making power plants.

752 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:16:56am

re: #748 Killgore Trout

5 Ways To Exploit Your Cat

Does it involve a video?

753 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:17:35am

re: #743 iceweasel

As I said before, everything I know about this post I picked up since yesterday... I don't know what else to tell you... if you would like to communicate with me outside this forum, just give me the means and we can "take this outside" so to speak...

754 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:17:44am

re: #748 Killgore Trout

5 Ways To Exploit Your Cat

I am SO going to wind up in the case of #5. I have a soft spot for felines.

755 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:19:06am

re: #746 Slap

Low heat, stirstirstir. Patience. Similar to properly caramelizing onions...take your time, the color arrives with great care.

Thanks!
I've caramelized onions successfully, but I think a roux requires a lot more attention to detail and the equipment is more important... I'm lazy, and spacing out for just a few seconds with a roux seems to make a lot of difference (for me). Thanks again!

756 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:20:08am

re: #739 lawhawk

Downsides? Storage of spent materials - whether it's on site at existing power plants or centralized facilities, leakage outside of containment facilities (as has happened at several facilities in the past - not counting TMI or Chernobyl), terror attacks specifically targeting nuke plants that would hope to detonate and spread nuclear materials downwind, and catastrophic failures causing mass contamination (TMI and Chernobyl).

Some of those problems can be avoided with better training, new technologies, and improved security. Storage of spent materials has to be resolved and is a key problem in the US.

Next-gen nuclear reactors are practically theft-proof due to their design; in a pebble-bed design, for example, you have graphite spheres containing about 15,000 uranium oxide particles with the diameter of poppy seeds. Not something that can be turned into a weapon, really, from everything that i've read.

also, one of the reasons that Yucca was proposed as a storage place is that the naturally dry, stable conditions related to the ignimbrite in the area where we'd seal the waste would contain it even in the event of a leak. Pretty stable, imho.

757 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:20:25am

Politicswise, every spending program has a constituency, that's why it exists and continues to grow. Policywise, spending equals control. And control is power for politician and bureaucrat alike.

no kidding...read on

[Link: www.investors.com...]

758 ryannon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:20:59am

re: #711 drymocke

Cute... I hope the scotsman doesn't take offense...


Wassup Drymoot?

Back for some pithy political slap n' tickle?

Want that cup of tea now?

759 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:21:37am

Irony is best served cold.

760 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:21:54am

Here's the IAEA report most folks use when they project the shortfalls. This report assumes no new supplies, and no better recovery methods. In it's conclusion it also states that there is sufficient supply if they recover all known resources with improved, known methods.

PDF link (hefty download, don't click if you don't have phat B/W:)
[Link: www-pub.iaea.org...]

761 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:22:06am

re: #753 drymocke

As I said before, everything I know about this post I picked up since yesterday... I don't know what else to tell you... if you would like to communicate with me outside this forum, just give me the means and we can "take this outside" so to speak...

really? you have to be told to be polite? huh.

762 Slap  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:22:13am

re: #649 Semper Fi

FWIW, I have a Le Creuset dutch oven I inherited from my grandmother. I'd venture to say she bought it in the 60s. It's still perfect.

There are few manufactured goods one can count on to be superbly made and last for decades under heavy usage. Le Creuset are the gold standard, in my view.

763 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:22:23am

re: #758 ryannon

I would prefer the scotch, thank you... and if anyone has a problem with me being a newbie then ask away...

764 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:23:05am

re: #761 Aceofwhat?

Again, what was impolite?

765 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:23:43am

For ages, when I log onto the Internet my Spy Sweeper thingy has a box pop up that says:
C:Program Files/AOL 9.0waol.exe is trying to change your Internet Explorer security setting for this Web site:
objects.aol

Then, a little box pops up and gives me the choice to manually block the change. Then, another little box pops up that says:

Progs should not change your Internet Explorer security settings. For your security, we reccommend that you run a full sweep to remove any remnants of C:Program FilesAOL 9.0waol.exe.

What does this mean? Should I run that sweep?

766 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:23:56am

re: #751 Rightwingconspirator

The reflexive resistance to big corporations of the left plays a big part. There are no small companies making power plants.

I thought about googling "how to build a nuclear power plant". Then I decided against it.

767 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:24:10am

re: #760 Thanos

Also keep in mind that half a century after we started using Oil as an energy source, nobody imagined that people would be drilling in the North Sea.

768 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:24:12am

Iran leader predicts destruction of Israel

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Bang that drum some more...

769 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:25:30am

re: #765 MandyManners

I know little of AOL, but it sounds like it's doing some funny things with Internet Explorer. If you run the sweep, it'll blow away your AOL installation, which would be a Bad Thing (tm). (well, sorta.) I would hold off on that, and instead, look for an alternative network provider so you can get rid of AOHell yourself.

770 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:25:58am

re: #765 MandyManners

If you're not going to listen to your antivirus software, why have it installed?

771 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:27:12am

Nuclear waste in todays world is greatly over exaggerated.

The current worldwide total is estimated at under 100 000 cubic metres annually, equivalent to a cube somewhat less than 50 metres on each side.

772 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:28:16am

re: #748 Killgore Trout

5 Ways To Exploit Your Cat

Loved it! Icanhascheezburger naw?

773 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:28:43am

re: #766 cliffster

HI-larious. Updinged. Here's a safe scientific american article for the crowd-

774 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:28:53am

re: #753 drymocke

... if you would like to communicate with me outside this forum, just give me the means and we can "take this outside" so to speak...

Oh yeah.

I'm sure it's extremely likely
that I'd give you my email any time soon.

Or anyone here would.

BTW, the offer stands:

I'm looking forward to it. Please do bring your arguments and your genuine concerns about an NYT article or any other, and I'll really enjoy it.


Troll.

775 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:29:23am

re: #769 thedopefishlives

I know little of AOL, but it sounds like it's doing some funny things with Internet Explorer. If you run the sweep, it'll blow away your AOL installation, which would be a Bad Thing (tm). (well, sorta.) I would hold off on that, and instead, look for an alternative network provider so you can get rid of AOHell yourself.

The reccommended sweep would remove my AOL? I don't want to get rid of it.

776 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:29:58am

re: #748 Killgore Trout

5 Ways To Exploit Your Cat

The camera is pretty interesting. A friend set up a webcam to see what his dog did while he was at work. The dog only slept or watched the door waiting for him to come home. He found that very depressing.

777 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:30:22am

re: #764 drymocke

Again, what was impolite?

I went back to see what Iceweasel was talking about. I agree with her. So then to follow your previous posts up with a shot at the scotsman - I agree with her again. Too much. Just calling it like i see it.

778 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:30:24am

re: #770 cliffster

If you're not going to listen to your antivirus software, why have it installed?

I asked what it meant. Now, that I've been told that it will remove my AOL, I'm at a loss. I don't want to remove it.

779 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:30:47am

re: #765 MandyManners

For ages, when I log onto the Internet my Spy Sweeper thingy has a box pop up that says:
C:Program Files/AOL 9.0waol.exe is trying to change your Internet Explorer security setting for this Web site:
objects.aol

Then, a little box pops up and gives me the choice to manually block the change. Then, another little box pops up that says:

Progs should not change your Internet Explorer security settings. For your security, we reccommend that you run a full sweep to remove any remnants of C:Program FilesAOL 9.0waol.exe.

What does this mean? Should I run that sweep?

It's telling you that AOL is a virus. Yes, run the sweep. You stopped using the for-shit AOL browser, didn't you?

780 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:31:13am

re: #673 albusteve

Don't know if you noticed or not, but the image that Hyperion uses in their website of a gaggle of skyscrapers is none other than Lower Manhattan including the Marine Terminal at Whitehall.

781 drymocke  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:31:15am

re: #774 iceweasel

Reminds that once upon a time certains tribes had the same name for stranger as they did enemy... all I can say it time will tell//

782 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:31:40am

re: #765 MandyManners

Here is some info on it (The file)

Purpose of waol.exe:

783 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:31:55am

re: #626 Semper Fi

Good morning Lizard Nation
Surprised to wake and find a most welcome light rain. Think I'll stay in today.

Lurking before this post and noticed cast iron mentioned a few times. You, and I others. I'm curious. Is it the 'enameled' version?
I've been thinking of purchasing a couple fry pans.

I suppose the enameled ones are nice to use. I collect Griswold skillets and anything else that has Griswold on it. If you see one at a flea market or antique store make sure it is marked 'Erie' and of course has the large Griswold Logo with the trademark cross. The small Griswold logo is still a good pan but not as valuable to collectors as the large one. They both are excellent pans for cooking.
In it's later years Griswold made enameled pans because housewives prefered the pretty colors but I love my black pans just fine :)) Check for rust, pitting and watch out for cracks. An old pan shouldn't cost any more than the new ones depending on size. Most people do just fine with a #8 or #10. The larger sizes are more expensive and you may not want to pay the collector price.
Take care of it and it will last you for life. :)

784 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:32:41am

re: #761 Aceofwhat?

really? you have to be told to be polite? huh.

It's a troll. It popped up about two days ago and wound up in the bottom ten.
Last night it mysteriously decided to pick a fight with me. Despite being a 'new poster'.
Best to ignore until it makes some post that is, you know, substantial, rather than an attempt to pick a fight with someone.

785 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:32:42am

re: #776 Soap_Man

The camera is pretty interesting. A friend set up a webcam to see what his dog did while he was at work. The dog only slept or watched the door waiting for him to come home. He found that very depressing.

I saw a link a long time ago to a page that had posted series from a cat-cam. It was a roving outdoor cat that was gone for days at a time, and when it was home one time, he put the camera on it. Each time it returned home, he transferred the digital image series to his computer and cleared the memory card. It made some pretty interesting reading/viewing.

786 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:33:11am

re: #781 drymocke

Reminds that once upon a time certains tribes had the same name for stranger as they did enemy... all I can say it time will tell//

While that is true, I have a feeling your 'time" here will be short lived

just sayin!

787 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:33:12am

re: #767 Thanos

Also keep in mind that half a century after we started using Oil as an energy source, nobody imagined that people would be drilling in the North Sea.

Which is why i am more optimistic in the long term than lawhawk about the prospects of solar energy...over time, i think tech advances can reduce the footprint just like we've reduced the footprint of most other tech that we wanted to shrink. Still, we'll also need a quantum leap in energy storage capabilities if we want more options when Apollo's chariot is shining on the other side...

788 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:33:28am

re: #779 Alouette

It's telling you that AOL is a virus. Yes, run the sweep. You stopped using the for-shit AOL browser, didn't you?

AOL is a virus? It's how I get on-line. My browser is IE, not AOL. Does AOL have its own browser? My head is starting to hurt.

789 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:33:47am

re: #780 lawhawk

Don't know if you noticed or not, but the image that Hyperion uses in their website of a gaggle of skyscrapers is none other than Lower Manhattan including the Marine Terminal at Whitehall.

the little arched building...that's the East River, correct?....I'm not familiar with Whitehall

790 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:34:01am

re: #788 MandyManners

AOL is a virus? It's how I get on-line. My browser is IE, not AOL. Does AOL have its own browser? My head is starting to hurt.

AOL uses IE to get on the Web. To do so, it modifies IE's security settings, which tripped your Spy Sweeper.

791 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:34:15am

re: #784 iceweasel

It's a troll. It popped up about two days ago and wound up in the bottom ten.
Last night it mysteriously decided to pick a fight with me. Despite being a 'new poster'.
Best to ignore until it makes some post that is, you know, substantial, rather than an attempt to pick a fight with someone.

excellent advice. i am happy to follow your lead, friend.

792 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:35:19am

re: #782 Bubblehead II

Here is some info on it (The file)

Purpose of waol.exe:

Note that Coolwebsearch spyware has tried to imitate this name, so make sure its in the correct location and always monitor your system startup to be safe. Waol.exe is considered safe and is not spyware or adware related (check location to make sure as specified). (See the details below for the actual location of this file.)

Could I have the Coolwebsearch spyware on my computer?

793 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:35:33am

re: #785 thedopefishlives

Mr. Lee Cat Cam.

794 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:35:42am

I trust that Charles will give us a thread for the State of the Union tonight? I don't know about the rest of ya, but I'll be drinking.

795 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:35:44am

re: #790 thedopefishlives

AOL uses IE to get on the Web. To do so, it modifies IE's security settings, which tripped your Spy Sweeper.

junk them both

796 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:35:46am
797 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:36:01am

re: #792 MandyManners

It's in the correct spot, Mandy. That was verified from the information you posted earlier.

798 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:36:24am

re: #796 drymocke

WOOHOO! FLOUNCE! I'm thinking of going with a butter garlic sauce today; any objections?

799 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:36:51am

re: #794 Soap_Man

I trust that Charles will give us a thread for the State of the Union tonight? I don't know about the rest of ya, but I'll be drinking.

let me be clear...I will too

800 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:37:38am

re: #790 thedopefishlives

AOL uses IE to get on the Web. To do so, it modifies IE's security settings, which tripped your Spy Sweeper.

Bubblehead in No. 782 has made me think that I might have spyware.

801 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:37:46am

re: #799 albusteve

let me be clear...I will too

SHOT!!!

802 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:37:53am

Did someone say drinkin'!?

803 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:38:00am

re: #792 MandyManners

If its located where it's supposed to be, then you are probably safe. If it's located somewhere else (in a different directory), then you might have a problem.

804 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:39:16am

re: #789 albusteve

Yup. The Staten Island Ferry docks from the building just to the left (mostly obscured by the white leaves cutouts); the Coast Guard used to operate a regular ferry to Governor's Island from the more ornate low slung terminal to the right.

805 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:39:18am

I'm tired, the meds I suppose. Gonna go lay down for awhile. BBL Lizards! Have fun!

806 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:39:27am

re: #797 thedopefishlives

It's in the correct spot, Mandy. That was verified from the information you posted earlier.

So I don't have to run that sweep?

807 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:39:44am

re: #778 MandyManners

I asked what it meant. Now, that I've been told that it will remove my AOL, I'm at a loss. I don't want to remove it.

I just did a quick google for waol.exe. Most of tre: #792 MandyManners

Note that Coolwebsearch spyware has tried to imitate this name, so make sure its in the correct location and always monitor your system startup to be safe. Waol.exe is considered safe and is not spyware or adware related (check location to make sure as specified). (See the details below for the actual location of this file.)

Could I have the Coolwebsearch spyware on my computer?

Go to that location under Program Files in Windows Explorer. Right-click waol.exe and select Properties. Then look for a tab that says "Digital Signatures". If the tab is there, and if it's signed by America Online, Inc (or whatever), it's the right version and not the spyware.

808 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:39:45am
809 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:39:56am

re: #791 Aceofwhat?

excellent advice. i am happy to follow your lead, friend.

Cheers mate. This person could be legit, who knows, but it's pretty damn freaky for an allegedly 'new poster' to want to jump in and mix it up in a blog-drama way with other posters.
That doesn't happen. Normal people don't want any part of that crap, and truth be told, normal people involved in that crap also find it boring and stupid.
As I said, our pal could be posting stuff about politics. He isn't.

But he did think it worth his time to take a shot at Jimmah. (and, what the hell? so far as I know they've never even interacted). Weird.

810 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:15am

re: #806 MandyManners

So I don't have to run that sweep?

No. You're in the clear. It's annoying, but not a problem.

811 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:28am

re: #803 Bubblehead II

If its located where it's supposed to be, then you are probably safe. If it's located somewhere else (in a different directory), then you might have a problem.

I gotta' figure out where it's located. I'm gonna' print out the link you sent me.

812 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #807 cliffster

Oops, double post, sorry

813 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:30am
814 Slap  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:32am

re: #783 Blueheron

I'm a read adherent of Cook's Illustrated. Apart from what I consider consistently excellent instruction, their product reviews have NEVER let me down. (They accept no advertising, so I take their recommendations pretty seriously.) I was recently steered to the Lodge Logic line of skillets, via their review which rated its performance as better than most other varieties of skillet, nonstick included.

They were right. The entire line is pre-seasoned, so all one has to do is lightly coat with oil after each use. Mine performs perfectly, from searing steaks to frying eggs. (Plus, it's less than $30.) Normally, I don't look to inexpensive alternatives -- I'm of the "buy the BEST QUALITY you can afford, even if you have to wait" mindset. This is one of those rare cases where the cheaper alternative is superior to most expensive varieties.

815 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:48am

re: #793 thedopefishlives

Mr. Lee Cat Cam.

Now that is pretty funny. Cats hang out under cars a lot it looks like. They also see snakes.

816 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:40:55am

Hoopa!

817 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:41:21am

Newbies, indeed.

818 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:41:21am

re: #788 MandyManners

AOL is a virus? It's how I get on-line. My browser is IE, not AOL. Does AOL have its own browser? My head is starting to hurt.

AOL has its own browser but once you get online you can use any browser you want.

My parents have AOL as their provider and I tried to show them how to use Firefox, Safari and IE for a better browsing experience but my mother thought that they HAD TO use the AOL browser.

819 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:41:54am

re: #386 lawhawk

If you really want to get wasted, drink every time you hear
POTUS or a commentator say ' populist '.
Double pts for ' populist movement'.

820 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:42:46am

Good to know that criticizing "old school" lizards is a bannable offense.

821 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:43:02am

re: #820 Ben Hur

Good to know that criticizing "old school" lizards is a bannable offense.

Ay, what?

822 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:43:13am

re: #807 cliffster

Go to that location under Program Files in Windows Explorer. Right-click waol.exe and select Properties. Then look for a tab that says "Digital Signatures". If the tab is there, and if it's signed by America Online, Inc (or whatever), it's the right version and not the spyware.

I'm gonna' do that right now.

823 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:43:19am

re: #820 Ben Hur

Good to know that criticizing "old school" lizards is a bannable offense.

My bad.

Deletable.

He's still here.

824 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:43:29am

re: #819 tradewind

If you really want to get wasted, drink every time you hear
POTUS or a commentator say ' populist '.
Double pts for ' populist movement'.

I don't think Obama will say it much, but I bet the commentators won't shut up about it. "The president struck a populist tone..." "The president is embracing populism after the Mass. election..."

And all that bullshit.

825 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:43:52am

re: #821 thedopefishlives

Ay, what?

Nothing.

Thought he was banned.

Apparently, just deleted.

826 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:44:07am

Wow. Things are sluggish. I couldn't get in for a while.

I guess those dozen or so regular posters Charles has are really busy today. /

827 Slap  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:44:15am

re: #823 Ben Hur

Similar language rhythms to younglibertarian2, methinks.

828 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:44:19am

re: #825 Ben Hur

Nothing.

Thought he was banned.

Apparently, just deleted.

The deleted post was a flounce. The original remarks, as far as I could trace, are still viewable.

829 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:44:24am

re: #804 lawhawk

Yup. The Staten Island Ferry docks from the building just to the left (mostly obscured by the white leaves cutouts); the Coast Guard used to operate a regular ferry to Governor's Island from the more ornate low slung terminal to the right.

ha!...the very same picture...strength and power indeed

830 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:44:26am

re: #818 Alouette

AOL has its own browser but once you get online you can use any browser you want.

My parents have AOL as their provider and I tried to show them how to use Firefox, Safari and IE for a better browsing experience but my mother thought that they HAD TO use the AOL browser.

I thought my use of IE was automatic. Isn't it? I have never heard of an AOL browser, let alone choseni it.

831 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:44:32am

re: #825 Ben Hur

Nothing.

Thought he was banned.

Apparently, just deleted.

Well whoever he is, he has a weird way of introducing himself to LGF.

832 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:45:06am

re: #820 Ben Hur

Good to know that criticizing "old school" lizards is a bannable offense.

I would have gotten the axe years ago!

833 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:45:06am

re: #830 MandyManners

I thought my use of IE was automatic. Isn't it? I have never heard of an AOL browser, let alone choseni it.

For a while now, AOL has been using IE instead of its own internal browser. It used to install a bastardized version of Netscape or something, I can't exactly remember.

834 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:45:26am

re: #820 Ben Hur

Good to know that criticizing "old school" lizards is a bannable offense.

That isn't what he's being deleted for-- or banned, if indeed he winds up banned.
i suspect stinky's correlator tool found some info.

835 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:45:34am

re: #831 Stanley Sea

Well whoever he is, he has a weird way of introducing himself to LGF.

Apparently.

836 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:46:17am

re: #811 MandyManners

Good Hunting.

837 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:46:29am

re: #788 MandyManners

The nightmare starts when you try to leave AOhell. If you have a paid account they will not stop charging your cc, no matter how many times you insist. My bank was familiar with the situation, and told me the only sure fix was to change cc numbers.... when you tell your bank to block them, they come back under another name.

838 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:47:04am

re: #672 tradewind

Blecchch! (marmite)
Why not just toss in some vegemite? It's almost as tasty.//

They are basically the same but you are right vegemite is milder and is an excellent choice. I use whateva I have in my cupboard but just a tiny bit. I am sure you will agree more is not the order of the day when you use either one.

839 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:47:25am

re: #827 Slap

Similar language rhythms to younglibertarian2, methinks.

I'm sure they're on it then.

840 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:47:25am

ATTENTION

Whoever deleted #796 may wasnt to whack #813 also

I "qouted" instead of "reply"

841 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:48:53am

Thanks, Lizards!

Gonna' go lookin' in my directory.

842 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:49:14am

re: #841 MandyManners

Thanks, Lizards!

Gonna' go lookin' in my directory.

Can I take a peek?

843 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:49:44am

The most shocking news is that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told me neither he nor Mayor Bloomberg were asked for their opinions before Washington decided to hold the trial in lower Manhattan.

people are getting pissy about this trial...show trial, that is

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

844 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:50:11am

re: #841 MandyManners

Thanks, Lizards!

Gonna' go lookin' in my directory.

Take lots of pictures.

845 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:50:59am

re: #840 sattv4u2

ATTENTION

Whoever deleted #796 may wasnt to whack #813 also

I "qouted" instead of "reply"

You'll get an upding on this comment then. Calling him Shirley gave me a good chuckle.

846 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:51:33am

re: #794 Soap_Man

Bet Congress will be way ahead of you.
And POTUS is probably hitting the nicorette pretty hard right about now.//

847 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:52:31am

Geithner Defends AIG Bailout, Denies Role in Any 'Coverup'

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

"But lawmakers clearly remained unhappy and, as the hearing opened, committee Chairman Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat, vividly described why the AIG bailout made taxpayers see red.

"In effect, the taxpayers were propping up the hollow shell of AIG by stuffing it with money, and the rest of Wall Street came by and looted the corpse,'' Towns said."

848 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:52:33am

re: #845 Soap_Man

You'll get an upding on this comment then. Calling him Shirley gave me a good chuckle.

:)

Glad to oblige

849 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:53:03am

Firefox a little wiggity wiggity whacked for me.

850 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:53:11am

As the New York Post put it: “The bomb wasn’t the only thing burning in his pants.”

jihad and sexual repression...heh..."I'm so horny I could blow up an airplane!"...
nice pic of Rage Boy too

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

851 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:53:53am

re: #819 tradewind

If you really want to get wasted, drink every time you hear
POTUS or a commentator say ' populist '.
Double pts for ' populist movement'.

I think "new tone" will be popular too as well as "listening to the people" and "got the message".

852 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:54:20am

re: #843 albusteve

I think this 200 million a week could be better spent offshore.
Jurors in a similar but smaller trial have already had their families threatened.

853 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:54:32am

re: #599 MrSilverDragon

You know, somehow, I could see that. It's his revenge for all the methane they release... "Cursed cow, stop screwing up the planet!" followed by a push.

I make myself laugh sometimes. Maybe I amuse to easily.

The kids at my school saw a video at an assembly about climate change a couple of weeks ago. The biggest laugh went to the line about "now, you're driving down the freeway, burning your fossil fuels, eating a burger made from farting cows..."

854 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:54:52am

re: #679 CapeCoddah

I have one of those, it was my great grandmothers. I did not realize those were rare. I use it and the huge one she left me all the time.

What do you use it for?
If you have a #0 skillet marked as I said, you have something valuable indeed. You had a wonderful Great Grand Mother. There is a Griswold website where you could ask about it. Just Google 'Griswold Cast Iron' and learn more about your piece.
Another factoid for those interested, my Grandmaother called skillets 'spiders' because in the gooodolddays skillets had legs on them so they could be used in the fireplace. :)

855 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:54:58am

re: #847 Ericus58

Geithner Defends AIG Bailout, Denies Role in Any 'Coverup'

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

"But lawmakers clearly remained unhappy and, as the hearing opened, committee Chairman Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat, vividly described why the AIG bailout made taxpayers see red.

"In effect, the taxpayers were propping up the hollow shell of AIG by stuffing it with money, and the rest of Wall Street came by and looted the corpse,'' Towns said."

whoa...Geithners dirty, as well as several others...some serving in the federal govt

856 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:55:18am

re: #601 Dragon_Lady

Gooey parts? At least mine don't stick out! ;-P

Discreetly gooey.

857 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:56:19am

re: #852 tradewind

I think this 200 million a week could be better spent offshore.
Jurors in a similar but smaller trial have already had their families threatened.

the whole thing stinks to high heaven...Holder is a lunatic

858 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:56:20am

I sure could use the money I lost on AIG right about now.

859 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:56:26am

re: #754 thedopefishlives

I am SO going to wind up in the case of #5. I have a soft spot for felines.

We are #5, never intended to be, though.
The cats keep showing up
Starving, bony, can't even stand up, fur missing, cuts all over - we feel sorry for the cats and decide to feed them and suddenly -miraculous recovery!

Here's the latest.
He showed up last summer - pitiful, weak, just a bag 'o bones, patches of fur missing - now - healthy as can be.

860 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:57:23am

re: #837 tradewind

The nightmare starts when you try to leave AOhell. If you have a paid account they will not stop charging your cc, no matter how many times you insist. My bank was familiar with the situation, and told me the only sure fix was to change cc numbers... when you tell your bank to block them, they come back under another name.


Ancestry.com tried that with me and I never authorized automatic renewall. It wasn't until I wrote the state's consumer agency where they are headquartered that they begrudgingly refunded my fee "as a courtesy - now wrong doing on their part". As much as I like access to census records I will not use them again.

861 freetoken  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:57:24am

var Reality.Distortion.Field.Engaged = True

862 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:57:25am

re: #642 tradewind

Find a few basic pieces of Le Creuset (enamel on cast iron) at an outlet or an estate sale and you're set for life.

I registered for a lot of Le Creuset at our wedding. No one came through.
;(

863 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:57:54am

re: #859 reine.de.tout

We are #5, never intended to be, though.
The cats keep showing up
Starving, bony, can't even stand up, fur missing, cuts all over - we feel sorry for the cats and decide to feed them and suddenly -miraculous recovery!

Here's the latest.
He showed up last summer - pitiful, weak, just a bag 'o bones, patches of fur missing - now - healthy as can be.

That's how the Mrs. Fish and I are. We love cats and we would love to operate as a form of cat rescue. We're sad that we will have to be removing one of our cats from our household in the move, as she has behavioral problems that wouldn't bode well in a brand-new house.

864 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:57:59am

re: #853 SanFranciscoZionist

The kids at my school saw a video at an assembly about climate change a couple of weeks ago. The biggest laugh went to the line about "now, you're driving down the freeway, burning your fossil fuels, eating a burger made from farting cows..."

The AGW impact of cliffster's farting is much greater than that of the cows making up the burgers he eats.

865 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:58:17am

re: #792 MandyManners

Note that Coolwebsearch spyware has tried to imitate this name, so make sure its in the correct location and always monitor your system startup to be safe. Waol.exe is considered safe and is not spyware or adware related (check location to make sure as specified). (See the details below for the actual location of this file.)

Could I have the Coolwebsearch spyware on my computer?

If you don't use AOL you probably shouldn't be running WAOL.exe in case nobody else mentioned it.

866 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:59:22am

Some details about the SOTU emerging. Nothing earth shaking or new at least in the stuff at the CNN report.

867 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 9:59:53am

Leave for a few minutes and I miss everything. Did a newbie just flounce? I wondered why he would start baiting people so quickly.

868 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:00:04am

re: #685 Semper Fi

Sorry for the confusion. Anyway, tomorrow I go shopping.

Godspeed.

869 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:01:09am

BTW, I noticed yesterday when new people started showing up everyone kept their mouths shut about registration. Is that S.O.P.?

870 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:02:06am

re: #867 RogueOne

Leave for a few minutes and I miss everything. Did a newbie just flounce? I wondered why he would start baiting people so quickly.

no big deal...there is an impending energy crisis btw

871 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:02:11am

re: #715 Blueheron

Yeah well Truman didn't have an easy time of it either. Boy would he get mad when someone columnist would criticize Margret's piano playing.
They were right...she stunk at it but he was her Daddy before being leader of the free world. /

Didn't he physically threaten the guy who wrote that column?

872 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:02:12am

re: #862 SanFranciscoZionist

I registered for a lot of Le Creuset at our wedding. No one came through.
;(

Amazon US had a great 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 deal at Xmas time, via the link here.
It was something like 2 le Creuset for 70 USD or 3 for approx 100USD. You didn't get much choice by way of pieces or colours, but it was a great deal.

873 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:02:25am

re: #680 Dragon_Lady

marmite ??? What the huh or am I repeating myself, again?

It is British and is made from what is left behind of the yeast extract a by product of beer brewing. It has garlic added for flavor and is stronger in taste than the Australian version called Vegemite.
It is excellent in stews,gravies and chilies if used sparingly.

874 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:02:47am

re: #862 SanFranciscoZionist

I registered for a lot of Le Creuset at our wedding. No one came through.
;(

OK, now I'm looking on ebay for Dansk. Anyone heard of that? I have one roasting pot from my Aunt - probably from the late 60's. I love it and now am looking for more.

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

875 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:03:11am

re: #869 RogueOne

Seems to be anymore. I think it is a tactic to slow down the stalkers trying to register socks.

876 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:03:25am

re: #729 albusteve

water shortages in CA are near crisis...nuclear power is their only hope, considering they don't save rainwater and it's not snowing as much in the Sierras...when their ag business crashes, the whole state will go down

Jesus, Cassandra, give it a rest...

877 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:04:00am

re: #730 cliffster

Can someone please tell me again the downside to nuclear power? Disposal? Or nightmares of Three Mile Island

Yes, I think that covers most of it.

878 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:04:47am

re: #735 Killgore Trout

It's also the name of some media outlet they were planing on starting up.

Harder to do from jail.

879 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:04:49am

re: #869 RogueOne

BTW, I noticed yesterday when new people started showing up everyone kept their mouths shut about registration. Is that S.O.P.?

Sometimes registration is open but we don't have a thread to announce it's open. AFAIK there isn't a policy of any sort about this, but I think it's nice, if one notices that reg is open and there is no thread about it, not to announce it. Just my opinion. (cuts down on sockpuppets registering)

880 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:04:52am

re: #864 cliffster

The AGW impact of cliffster's farting is much greater than that of the cows making up the burgers he eats.

Has anyone measured the greenhouse gas impact of several humans on a vegitarian diet vs. several humans on a meat diet plus the steer?

The combined emissions of vegans loaded up on legumes could be astronomical!

881 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:05:38am

re: #875 Bubblehead II

Seems to be anymore. I think it is a tactic to slow down the stalkers trying to register socks.

That's what I figured when no one else mentioned new people showing up and I hadn't seen anything about it being open. I may not be all that bright but I know how to keep my mouth shut.

882 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:05:49am

re: #857 albusteve

the whole thing stinks to high heaven...Holder is a lunatic

Come clean, Mr. Holder

Whose side is the Justice Department on: America's -- or the terrorists'?

It's just insane that a lawyer who defended Osama bin Laden's driver and bodyguard -- and who sought constitutional rights for terrorists -- could be one of the Obama administration's top legal officials.

But there's Neal Katyal, occupying a top perch at the Justice Department as the principal deputy solicitor general.

Then there's Jennifer Daskal -- who just months ago was an anti-Guantanamo activist. Now she's in Justice's National Security Division -- working on detainee issues.

Talk about conflicts of interest.

All kinds of rules prohibit government employees from influencing policy to the benefit of their previous employers. If Katyal, Daskal and other conflicted Justice lawyers had worked for corporations, they'd almost certainly be subject to these regulations.

Lawmakers on Capitol Hill are hopping mad about the situation -- and rightly so. Months ago, Senate Judiciary Committee member Charles Grassley asked Attorney General Eric Holder to disclose who in the administration had previously represented or agitated for alleged terrorists.

The AG's reply?

"I will consider that request."

Holder must be thinking long and hard -- because committee members have yet to receive a response.

Meanwhile, they've started asking other questions of Justice -- like who came up with the brilliant idea to Mirandize undie-bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, limiting the amount of intelligence he might provide about al Qaeda and future attacks.

With high-profile terror cases coming up -- like Abdulmutallab's, and the outrageous Khalid Sheik Mohammed trial in New York -- Americans need to know: Is our government putting in a good-faith effort when it comes to punishing the men who want to blow up our people?

The call to treat terrorists like civilians in court has been all Team Obama.

Which means the president and his administration also owe the American people an answer: Is the government's prosecutorial deck stacked in favor of the terrorists?

A Justice Department spokesman, Dean Boyd, tells The Post that the department will be responding to Sen. Grassley's request "very soon."

Will it be soon enough?

It's time for Holder and Justice to come clean.

883 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:05:52am

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

more on the SOTU...responsibilty/blame game...whatever goes over best with the public

884 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:06:51am

re: #876 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, Cassandra, give it a rest...

it's more interesting to me than pots and pans

885 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:06:56am

re: #880 DaddyG

Has anyone measured the greenhouse gas impact of several humans on a vegitarian diet vs. several humans on a meat diet plus the steer?

The combined emissions of vegans loaded up on legumes could be astronomical!

Believe it or not, I think some studies have been conducted that purport to show that raising enough vegetarian product to feed all humans would result in the deaths of many, many animals.

886 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:07:31am

re: #879 iceweasel

Sometimes registration is open but we don't have a thread to announce it's open. AFAIK there isn't a policy of any sort about this, but I think it's nice, if one notices that reg is open and there is no thread about it, not to announce it. Just my opinion. (cuts down on sockpuppets registering)


We could discuss open registration and new lizard hatchlings when registration is closed just to drive the stalkers crazy.

887 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:08:11am

And now for a bit of an escape:

Enjoy.

888 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:09:03am

re: #886 DaddyG

We could discuss open registration and new lizard hatchlings when registration is closed just to drive the stalkers crazy.

True, but it's such a short drive...why bother? hee.

889 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:09:09am

re: #885 iceweasel

No cows means no manure for fertilizer...

890 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:09:29am

re: #881 RogueOne

I wish I was. Charles had opened registration a while back without announcing it and when I posted that it was open, he pretty much immediately closed it. I was chastised by some of the other Lizards for having a big mouth. Oh'well, live and learn.

891 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:09:42am

re: #885 iceweasel

Believe it or not, I think some studies have been conducted that purport to show that raising enough vegetarian product to feed all humans would result in the deaths of many, many animals.


The law of unintended consequences is a harsh mistress.

892 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:09:45am

re: #884 albusteve

it's more interesting to me than pots and pans

I got a nice new set of pots and pans for christmas. Want me to tell you about them? I'm very excited about them.

893 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:10:26am

re: #889 Rightwingconspirator

No cows means no manure for fertilizer...


There is a congress joke in here somewhere.

894 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:11:02am

According to predictions by researchers from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the continual global warming associated with increasing atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide may leave the state of California with serious water problems over the next 50 years.

climate change!...where will the water come from?

[Link: www.dailycal.org...]

895 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:11:08am

re: #891 DaddyG

The law of unintended consequences is a harsh mistress.


Just ask those terrorist waiting for the Marines to give them their miranda rights. Oh wait, too late.

896 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:11:23am

re: #892 RogueOne

I got a nice new set of pots and pans for christmas. Want me to tell you about them? I'm very excited about them.

YES!
Ok, i know this is boring to most but I'm in a weird transatlantic position (don't say anything there!) and so, yes, I'm interested!

897 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:11:27am

re: #862 SanFranciscoZionist

That's when you return the stuff you registered for that you didn't really want/need and apply the difference to the cookware.
:)

898 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:12:34am

re: #882 Ben Hur

the other day Gibbs said 50 min was plenty of time for the FBI to grill the Xmas bomber....seriously

899 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:13:15am

New Thread ----->

900 albusteve  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:13:25am

re: #892 RogueOne

I got a nice new set of pots and pans for christmas. Want me to tell you about them? I'm very excited about them.

maybe later

901 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:13:49am

re: #896 iceweasel

YES!
Ok, i know this is boring to most but I'm in a weird transatlantic position (don't say anything there!) and so, yes, I'm interested!

Oh so you studied the Kuma Satra?

902 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:16:26am

re: #901 filetandrelease

Oh so you studied the Kuma Satra?

Those that can't do, study. ////

903 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:17:47am

re: #896 iceweasel

YES!
Ok, i know this is boring to most but I'm in a weird transatlantic position (don't say anything there!) and so, yes, I'm interested!

My spouse got me:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

and my sis in law got me a nice cast-iron pan from somewhere in TN. I've been wanting a nice one for years. How many men do you know would be excited to get pots/pans and video games for xmas?

904 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #770 cliffster

If you're not going to listen to your antivirus software, why have it installed?

Well you ARE talking to Mandy you know .:) /

905 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:21:29am

re: #903 RogueOne

My spouse got me:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

and my sis in law got me a nice cast-iron pan from somewhere in TN. I've been wanting a nice one for years. How many men do you know would be excited to get pots/pans and video games for xmas?

A surprisingly high amount!
oooh, Calphalon. niiice. Very jealous! Worth the hype?

906 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:23:33am

re: #905 iceweasel

A surprisingly high amount!
oooh, Calphalon. niiice. Very jealous! Worth the hype?

Probably not. They feel really well made tho. I was more excited about the cast-iron skillet than anything. You can't do fried foods worth a damn without one.

907 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:26:01am

re: #724 RogueOne

That Jack in the Box commercial made me hungry. Wish there was someplace within 30 miles I could get a real chicago dog. Indiana is a nice state but the farther you get from chicago hoosiers don't do hotdogs well.

The best dog is Nathans bar none.

908 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:44:45am

re: #814 Slap

I'm a read adherent of Cook's Illustrated. Apart from what I consider consistently excellent instruction, their product reviews have NEVER let me down. (They accept no advertising, so I take their recommendations pretty seriously.) I was recently steered to the Lodge Logic line of skillets, via their review which rated its performance as better than most other varieties of skillet, nonstick included.

They were right. The entire line is pre-seasoned, so all one has to do is lightly coat with oil after each use. Mine performs perfectly, from searing steaks to frying eggs. (Plus, it's less than $30.) Normally, I don't look to inexpensive alternatives -- I'm of the "buy the BEST QUALITY you can afford, even if you have to wait" mindset. This is one of those rare cases where the cheaper alternative is superior to most expensive varieties.


The old Griswold skillets were ground or brushed in a circular pattern on the inside and were made of the finest materials. I started collecting them yonks ago. Maybe 40 years. Then it became all the rage to have one and the prices went thru the roof. I suspect they are back down to earth right now.
Enjoy your Lodge. If you see a Griswold sitting out at your neighbors garage sale remember what I said about what you should look for to be sure you get a good one and then buy it. You will never regret it. ;))

909 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:51:53am

re: #907 Blueheron

The best dog is Nathans bar none.

I'm not sure I can get a Nathan dog around here. I know 2 places in Indy I can get Vienna dogs but it's slightly more than an hour round trip for one. I drove 20 miles to a place that advertised "real chicago dogs" once. They gave me a crappy dog, on a crappy bun, covered in onions, mustard and ketchup. When i threw a fit he kept yelling "calm down, it's just a hot dog" which made me all the madder. It ended with his hot dog going through the ceiling tile and me being escorted out.

910 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:52:24am

re: #871 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn't he physically threaten the guy who wrote that column?

He certainly did. Gosh Margaret was untalented but her Daddy loved her :)

911 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:56:21am

re: #909 RogueOne

I'm not sure I can get a Nathan dog around here. I know 2 places in Indy I can get Vienna dogs but it's slightly more than an hour round trip for one. I drove 20 miles to a place that advertised "real chicago dogs" once. They gave me a crappy dog, on a crappy bun, covered in onions, mustard and ketchup. When i threw a fit he kept yelling "calm down, it's just a hot dog" which made me all the madder. It ended with his hot dog going through the ceiling tile and me being escorted out.

ROFLMAO!

912 Blueheron  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:58:56am

re: #906 RogueOne

Probably not. They feel really well made tho. I was more excited about the cast-iron skillet than anything. You can't do fried foods worth a damn without one.

You can't do decent fried chicken without one....yum :)

913 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:01:26am

re: #905 iceweasel

And then there's cutlery - nothing beats a bunch of high quality knives in a kitchen. I prefer Wustof.

914 Slap  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:07:58am

re: #913 lawhawk

I'm a Henckels man, myself. But you make a point:

NEWBIE COOKS -- the most significant and important single item one should have in a good kitchen is at least one superb knife. If you listen to no other advice regarding cooking, listen to this.

Honest -- a great knife in the hands of someone who has learned to use it beats any number of electric/mechanical cutting/slicing devices. Plus is works great when the power's out.

Just a tip from yer Uncle Slap.

915 Slap  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:16am

re: #914 Slap

IT works great. Not IS works great.

Proofreading my friend is.

916 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:44am

re: #914 Slap

I'm a Henckels man, myself. But you make a point:

NEWBIE COOKS -- the most significant and important single item one should have in a good kitchen is at least one superb knife. If you listen to no other advice regarding cooking, listen to this.

Honest -- a great knife in the hands of someone who has learned to use it beats any number of electric/mechanical cutting/slicing devices. Plus is works great when the power's out.

Just a tip from yer Uncle Slap.

Ha! We were a Henckels household until two years ago when my sister (who lives in Germany) brought us a Wustof!

917 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:13:00am

re: #876 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, Cassandra, give it a rest...

Yeah, been biding my time, but despite the fact that i think (hard to tell sometimes) that i'm more likely than not to be in some agreement with him on the majority of topics, Albusteve, dude, you hurt the topic as often as help. You may curse me for saying it, but "Cassandra" is unfortunately apropos this past week or so (i was too slammed to log on in the weeks prior).

just sayin.

918 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:33:44pm

re: #711 drymocke

Cute... I hope the scotsman doesn't take offense...

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