Fox News Gives Juan Williams a $2M Payoff

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Wow. The timing of this seems awfully convenient, to say the least: Fox News gives Juan Williams an expanded role.

Reporting from Washington — As NPR weathered a storm of criticism Thursday for its decision to fire news analyst Juan Williams for his comments about Muslims, Fox News moved aggressively to turn the controversy to its advantage by signing Williams to an expanded role at the cable news network.

Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.

Ahem.

I think Williams finally went over the line, and will probably now be appearing on Fox News with more frequency; it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he knew very well those remarks would get him fired.

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1 Kragar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:34:43pm

Wow, what are the odds?
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2 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:35:12pm

I wish I could say hateful things that hurt America and get paid 2 mil for it...

3 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:37:50pm

How is this like Shirley Sherrod incident?

If nothing else FOX has confirmed many peoples' cynical suspicions.

4 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:38:38pm

re: #3 MinisterO

I think their recent and frequent donations to the GOP have already confirmed that, for those who paid attention.

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:40:21pm

Well, if you are going to sell out, do it all the way I guess.

6 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:40:26pm

This changes everything. No doubt Juan Williams isn't complaining about being fired from NPR anymore. 2 million over 3 years comes out to be $666,666 per year.

7 rwmofo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:40:57pm

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

8 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:41:09pm

He'll get a show too.

9 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:41:30pm

re: #6 Gus 802

This changes everything. No doubt Juan Williams isn't complaining about being fired from NPR anymore. 2 million over 3 years comes out to be $666,666 per year.

Maybe Beck should put up something on the blackboard about all those sixes :)

10 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:41:49pm

re: #6 Gus 802

This changes everything. No doubt Juan Williams isn't complaining about being fired from NPR anymore. 2 million over 3 years comes out to be $666,666 per year.

So you are saying either fox news or Juan is the Devil. Can we guess which one?

11 Tigger2005  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:42:13pm

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12 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:43:02pm

re: #9 LudwigVanQuixote

Maybe Beck should put up something on the blackboard about all those sixes :)

And 66 cents.

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13 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:43:24pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

He completely sold out and publicly did so in a way that has primed him to be a fire breathing GOP hack, while playing up the martyr to liberal group think card in a falsely reasonable and falsely persecuted voice. Help help, his stunt is oppressing him so much. It was a well choreographed sell out with a ready made tagline.

14 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

Yeah, good for Juan! Making openly bigoted statements and then getting paid for them is definitely heading the country in the right direction.

15 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:44:47pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

Ah yes. Fox News is fair and balanced because they officially hired Juan Williams. Yep, I expect to hear Juan Williams putting out DNC and liberal talking points come Monday morning.

16 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:45:23pm

He was also given a chance to explain his remarks by NPR, and refused.

17 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:45:24pm

re: #14 APox

Yeah, good for Juan! Making openly bigoted statements and then getting paid for them is definitely heading the country in the right direction.

Well. at least now it is no longer a free speech issue for the Wacky Wight.

18 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:46:29pm

re: #16 Obdicut

He was also given a chance to explain his remarks by NPR, and refused.

Cause he wasn't on payroll anymore. He only does free speech when he gets paid, doncha know.

19 Transfromnation  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:46:45pm

It's like when Anakin Skywalker crossed over to the dark side; sickening, but not unexpected.

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:46:48pm

If I may repeat myself:

One way to make sure your bread lands butter side up when you drop it is to butter both sides. Juan Williams just dropped his slice and proved it.

21 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:47:01pm

re: #4 Obdicut

I think their recent and frequent donations to the GOP have already confirmed that, for those who paid attention.

Though as Jon Stewart pointed out, really the GOP should be giving money to FOX if there was any fairness in the world... I mean who has done more to help the other?

22 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:47:16pm

Yes, but that doesn't fit the victimization narrative Palin's trying to sell...to hear her talk about the evil censorship of Juan Williams by NPR, you'd think he would be forced to sell himself on the street for crack or something.

23 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:47:35pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

If I may repeat myself:

One way to make sure your bread lands butter side up when you drop it is to butter both sides. Juan Williams just dropped his slice and proved it.

I really doubt this was a drop. I am certain this was well planned for some weeks or even months.

24 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:47:50pm

re: #7 rwmofo

ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

Wow, is that what it looks like in Bizarro World?

25 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:47:55pm

re: #22 darthstar

Yes, but that doesn't fit the victimization narrative Palin's trying to sell...to hear her talk about the evil censorship of Juan Williams by NPR, you'd think he would be forced to sell himself on the street for crack or something.

Yep. This destroys the current victim narrative for sure.

26 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:48:00pm

re: #19 Transfromnation

It's like when Anakin Skywalker crossed over to the dark side; sickening, but not unexpected.

He never crossed over. He was already there. He just let that bit of his personality get a little more air time.

27 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:48:11pm

re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote

He completely sold out and publicly did so in a way that has primed him to be a fire breathing GOP hack, while playing up the martyr to liberal group think card in a falsely reasonable and falsely persecuted voice.

Bingo. And like the climate change true believer turned skeptic shtick, Fox News viewers will gobble it up.

28 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:48:42pm

re: #17 imp_62

Well. at least now it is no longer a free speech issue for the Wacky Wight.

It shouldn't have been a free speech issue in the first place. You have the right to voice your idiotic view points, but not when you represent yourself as a journalist for a company that tries to be an objective news organization such as NPR.

Rick Sanchez has the opportunity to speak out against the evil Jew controlled media. Helen Thomas has the freedom to tell all the Jews to go home, but then again, people that don't agree with that point of view don't have to financially support you.

Man, it is nice being able to type on a computer and not my typical iPhone responses. :)

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:49:45pm

re: #8 Amory Blaine

He'll get a show too.

Of course he will. That way he can do a "I am a liberal, but I have repented," mea culpa, for the rubes followed by being their "insider who knows how bad the left really is".

30 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:49:57pm

typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal

yeah, well, i'm pretty far to the left, but i don't know anybody who believes that we should put the government in charge of everything

standard issue strawman

31 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:50:34pm

Michael Steele's going to be pissed. Juan Williams just stole his gig at Fox.

32 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:50:44pm

re: #27 MinisterO

Bingo. And like the climate change true believer turned skeptic shtick, Fox News viewers will gobble it up.

see my 29. This stry writes itself with the predictability of a bad novel.

33 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:51:28pm

re: #28 APox

...
Man, it is nice being able to type on a computer and not my typical iPhone responses. :)

I thought you were waxing unusually poetic lol

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:51:37pm

re: #31 darthstar

Michael Steele's going to be pissed. Juan Williams just stole his gig at Fox.

Ohh yes, I forgot the token brown person aspect of this. I suppose $2,000,000 is his price for selling out his own people.

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:52:04pm

So they got their black conservative who makes the proper I hate Obama noises

Well done, Fox News, well played, got the racists, got your Armstrong Williams/Larry Elder schtick happening. Bravo!


Not an accident, guys, the guy's a slimebag, for all we know, he was ramping up to create exactly what we have here, a media cycle stunt about him, prompting his transition to fox news, happens all the time in radio

36 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:52:14pm

a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million

now why doesn't somebody give me lots of money when i say something stupid?

37 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:52:23pm

I really love his claim he was fired for speaking the truth.

He got the quote from the terrorist wrong.

Doesn't care, apparently. Details. Who gives a shit?

38 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:52:30pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.

What "Liberals" does Fox Employ exactly?

39 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:52:33pm

I hate rich people.

40 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:11pm

re: #36 engineer dog

a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million

now why doesn't somebody give me lots of money when i say something stupid?

You haven't the capacity to say anything near stupid enough to get a slot on FOX. Sorry.

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:12pm

re: #37 Obdicut

I really love his claim he was fired for speaking the truth.

He got the quote from the terrorist wrong.

Doesn't care, apparently. Details. Who gives a shit?

This is a stunt

Scripted, total stunt

42 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:12pm

juan is a clever guy....no question he's hit the jackpot, a sad commentary on the news/pundit/MSM racket...I'd take the money too

43 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:15pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

I hate rich people.

///CLASS WARFAIR!

44 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:40pm

re: #37 Obdicut

I really love his claim he was fired for speaking the truth.

He got the quote from the terrorist wrong.

Doesn't care, apparently. Details. Who gives a shit?

He'll fit right in at Fox.

45 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:43pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

I hate rich people.

Not unless we marry into their families!

:-D

46 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:50pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

///CLASS WARFAIR!

Class war fair?

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:53:51pm

re: #38 jamesfirecat

There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.

What "Liberals" does Fox Employ exactly?

The only real liberal is Shepherd Smith as far as I can remember, and he's basically too powerful at the network for them to demand he toe the racist hick line

48 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:55:23pm

re: #26 darthstar

He never crossed over. He was already there. He just let that bit of his personality get a little more air time.

OR more likely, he just sold out and really doesn't care either way.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:55:25pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.


you are so amazingly naive and ridiculously stupid about how media and media personalities are courted and hired

Go back and fellate your talking points, jesus

50 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:55:31pm

Hey Charles did you see that strange link in the referrers? Something doesn't look right. Looks highly suspicious.

51 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:55:49pm

re: #47 WindUpBird

The only real liberal is Shepherd Smith as far as I can remember, and he's basically too powerful at the network for them to demand he toe the racist hick line

Ahh Shepherd Smith.

I will never grow tired of recalling his stirring words "Who gives a f*** if it works or not, this is America, and Americans don't f***ing torture" take note all of you Limbaugh supporters who "hope he fails" this is what real patriotism looks like.

52 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:56:53pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

see my 29. This stry writes itself with the predictability of a bad novel.

Much like a new AC/DC album. The people who buy them have been buying them all along.

53 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:57:00pm

Walter:

[Link: www.lefigaro.fr...]

My brother, you might find yourself walking from Amsterdam to Paris due to the kerosene shortage affecting air travel, and renting a bicycle once you get to gaie Paris :D

54 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:57:24pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

I hate rich people.

There's nothing wrong with being rich. I want to be rich some day. I could do a lot of good for the people of this planet if I had the money. Nothing would make me happier than having the money to be a big fucking philanthropist that everyone hated because he never took care of their pet project.

It's rich people who spend their wealth protecting other rich people that I don't like. I don't hate them...but I don't like them, either.

55 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:58:23pm

I posted this in response to a problem I had with Bill Maher when he agreed with Bill O'Reilly, and I'll post it again here because I really think this is at the core of this discussion as well and I found it funny that he even started the whole comment off with "You know of my work in the civil rights era"

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I don't understand how this was passed off so easily and that someone that is for the respect of all minority groups fell prey to this propaganda that Bill O'Reilly was spewing. The distinction that needs to be drawn is that the people that attacked us on 9/11 were TERRORISTS first, Muslim extremists second, and Muslims third. Building on the assumption that they were Muslims first feeds into a xenophobic and bigoted world view that extremists on the right have tried to perpetuate as fact. This is the assumption that crazed Pamela Geller is espousing all the time along with her skinhead friends over in Europe.

I'm really disappointed that you make this leap because I don't think it's very fair. If an extremist Christian group ran the planes into 9/11 I wouldn't say that Christians attacked us on 9/11 and make that broad brush of fear across an entire religious group to ostracize them and alienate them further into the "them" category instead of the "us" category.

I'm a young Atheist but I do not believe that the majority of people that practice major religions are evil and especially when one particular group is coming under increased persecution.

And if you don't like the Christian analogy because of a deep seated hatred for everything that is religion, then let's use the analogy to black people in the pre-Civil Rights era. If someone in the 1940's commented on a murder or rape and said "black people killed this person" or "black people raped this woman" it would be factually correct, but ethically dishonest. It should be "there was a murderer that killed someone" or "a man raped a woman" instead of a comment that inspires hatred or fear of a whole group of people.
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My head continues to explode as I read these comments on other blogs and news sites that openly accept identifying all Muslims that dress according to their religion as possible terrorists first and Americans second. It's a real shame.

56 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:58:45pm

re: #54 darthstar

There's nothing wrong with being rich. I want to be rich some day. I could do a lot of good for the people of this planet if I had the money. Nothing would make me happier than having the money to be a big fucking philanthropist that everyone hated because he never took care of their pet project.

It's rich people who spend their wealth protecting other rich people that I don't like. I don't hate them...but I don't like them, either.

Well said. I still aim to eat rich people first, after I run out of Glenn Beck's HomeMade Beef Stroganoff.

57 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:58:52pm

Sympathetic Fox News Hands Juan Williams a Bunch of Money
[Link: wonkette.com...]

Roger Ailes said. “He’s an honest man whose freedom of speech is protected by Fox News on a daily basis.” Jesus Christ. Fox News is Juan Williams’ personal ACLU.

Charles Krauthammer has been trying to do this for years! Why can’t he get the Washington Post to fire him for all the bigoted stuff he says and writes so he can get a permanent gig on Fox? Silly Krauthammer, printing hate speech is a very important part of how the Post keeps its objective balance.

58 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:59:00pm

re: #54 darthstar

There's nothing wrong with being rich. I want to be rich some day. I could do a lot of good for the people of this planet if I had the money. Nothing would make me happier than having the money to be a big fucking philanthropist that everyone hated because he never took care of their pet project.

It's rich people who spend their wealth protecting other rich people that I don't like. I don't hate them...but I don't like them, either.

volunteer....it's as good a deed as anything money can buy

59 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:00:54pm

re: #42 albusteve

juan is a clever guy...no question he's hit the jackpot, a sad commentary on the news/pundit/MSM racket...I'd take the money too

Much as it would hurt to pass up the money, I couldn't do it. I don't think anyone with principles could.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:01:25pm

re: #7 rwmofo

heh:

Williams has a son, Tony, who from 1996 to 1997 was a Senate page and intern for Senator Strom Thurmond, a speechwriter and legislative correspondent for Senator Norm Coleman from 2004 to 2006, and in 2006 ran for Council of the District of Columbia, losing to Tommy Wells.[4]


double heh

He also regularly appears on The O'Reilly Factor and has served as a guest host on the show.[5]


triple heh

[Link: www.randomhouse.com...]

yeah because liberals guest host The O'Reilly Factor

that totally is a thing that happens, hahaha

61 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:01:52pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

Go back and fellate your talking points, jesus

I love pleasuring my talking points as well. Wait what?

62 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:02:05pm

And since someone mentioned the Dick Dick Army's comment on the last thread about early voting and voter fraud I first want to tell Dick to fuck off.

and then to offer this link of two studies about voter fraud and how little it actually happens:
[Link: www.truthaboutfraud.org...]

63 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:02:09pm

re: #54 darthstar

There's nothing wrong with being rich. I want to be rich some day. I could do a lot of good for the people of this planet if I had the money. Nothing would make me happier than having the money to be a big fucking philanthropist that everyone hated because he never took care of their pet project.

It's rich people who spend their wealth protecting other rich people that I don't like. I don't hate them...but I don't like them, either.

You don't have to be rich to help other people. I do it all the time, I find the small things that I can afford, that I can fulfill, incidental helping hands... I listen, read, watch, pay attention to people, do that, and you can find all sorts of ways to be helpful, probably more helpful than the rich person in the long run.

64 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:02:32pm

No matter what crap the news and newsmakers fling our way - no way out of this but straight ahead.

Youtube Video
65 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:02:48pm

re: #58 albusteve

volunteer...it's as good a deed as anything money can buy

I do.

66 dragonfire1981  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:02:57pm

Well gee, who couldn't see that Juan coming?

(Oh come on! Someone had to go for the joke!)

67 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:03:15pm

re: #59 MinisterO

Much as it would hurt to pass up the money, I couldn't do it. I don't think anyone with principles could.

then you are too deep in....it's entertainment, like the guy with the red rubber nose and the MSM is laughing all the way to the bank dwelling on their newfound mother lode

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:03:16pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

Ahh Shepherd Smith.

I will never grow tired of recalling his stirring words "Who gives a f*** if it works or not, this is America, and Americans don't f***ing torture" take note all of you Limbaugh supporters who "hope he fails" this is what real patriotism looks like.

he's the ONE real personality anchor with some real humanity that makes it on camera there, that isn't a plastic barbie doll or a douchebag airhead dude or a racist old fossil

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:05:19pm

Haven't watched the news since Friday. What in the hell is going on?

70 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:06:32pm

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haven't watched the news since Friday. What in the hell is going on?

Free Speech! Armageddon! Rent is 2 Damn High!!!!!11ty1!!!

71 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:07:00pm

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haven't watched the news since Friday. What in the hell is going on?

I have an ear infection.

72 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:07:16pm

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haven't watched the news since Friday. What in the hell is going on?

media minutiae....Juan said something somebody didn't dig and he made a couple of million large for it

73 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:07:45pm

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Click and read. Brian Skerry is an amazing photographer and a great advocate for the environment of the oceans.

74 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:08:19pm

re: #71 Jadespring

I have an ear infection.

Aww. Are you doing something about it? I find that bourbon is a good cure.

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:09:47pm

re: #72 albusteve

So... I'm looking it up. He said he gets nervous when people who are obviously Muslim get on his plane?

That's what he said?

76 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:09:52pm

re: #7 rwmofo

Good for Juan. While he's clearly on the left, he isn't he typical, unreasonable, "we ought to put the government in charge of everything" liberal. Juan is the prime example of what CBS and NBC lack - the other side of the argument. Fox employs liberals and conservatives while CBS and NBC openly refuse to consider putting a conservative on air. ABC has George Will who routinely mops the floor with his Sunday Morning adversaries, but one conservative on air is clearly their maximum.

NBC openly refuses to put conservatives on air? Wrong. Both Scarborough (who has his own 3 hour show each day) and Pat Buchanan are employed by NBC.

77 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:10:32pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... I'm looking it up. He said he gets nervous when people who are obviously Muslim get on his plane?

That's what he said?

Yupper.

78 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:11:25pm

"All of us gathered tonight share a conviction that American must remain a welcoming and tolerant land, in which our people are free to practice any faith they choose. We reject every form of ethnic and religious discrimination, as I said in my inaugural speech, we cannot carry the message of freedom and the baggage of bigotry at the same time."

-Bush

Youtube Video

3:06 onward is wonderful to listen to. FOR GODS SAKE, if you won't listen to the evil liberal media, listen to your past president!

WHAT CHANGED?!

79 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:11:27pm

re: #74 imp_62

Aww. Are you doing something about it? I find that bourbon is a good cure.

Right now, decongestants, painkillers and a heating pad. I debated going into emerg to get something for it but fell asleep instead. I'll see if I can get to see my doctor tomorrow and if not I'll just do the hospital clinic thing.

80 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:12:27pm

From Juan's statement at Fox:

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Muslims.

This is not a bigoted statement.

Can someone's clothes identify them "first and foremost" as their religion? If a man is wearing a kippah, I see him first and foremost as a man, a fellow human. If someone told Juan that they see him "first and foremost" as black, would he think that was bigoted?

And just how expert is Juan at identifying the religion of a person by their clothes?

But of course, what it comes down to is that Juan has no self-preservation skills if the people he's afraid of are the ones who stand out from the crowd by the way they dress. It's never that guy.

81 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:12:55pm

re: #62 webevintage

And since someone mentioned the Dick Dick Army's comment on the last thread about early voting and voter fraud I first want to tell Dick to fuck off.

and then to offer this link of two studies about voter fraud and how little it actually happens:
[Link: www.truthaboutfraud.org...]

Speaking of early voting; here's George H. W. Bush waiting his turn to vote early:
(second photo down) [Link: www.texasgopvote.com...]

82 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:13:17pm

re: #79 Jadespring

Right now, decongestants, painkillers and a heating pad. I debated going into emerg to get something for it but fell asleep instead. I'll see if I can get to see my doctor tomorrow and if not I'll just do the hospital clinic thing.

In all seriousness, ear infections in adults are not to be trifled with. Go to the doctor.

83 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:13:33pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Bah, I'm going to go wash my car before it gets too dark and take out my frustration on some "wax on, wax off" action!

84 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:13:34pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... I'm looking it up. He said he gets nervous when people who are obviously Muslim get on his plane?

That's what he said?

you have to express it in just the correct way to collect the 2mil...he did

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:13:41pm

re: #77 imp_62

I've said the same thing. Where's my check?

86 BenghaziHoops  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:13:45pm

Good evening Lizards!
Today's thought for the day
Given Sufficient thrust.. Pigs will fly just fine

87 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:14:24pm

re: #82 imp_62

In all seriousness, ear infections in adults are not to be trifled with. Go to the doctor.

No worries. I will.

88 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:14:29pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've said the same thing. Where's my check?

Get in line, tough guy. We're all underpaid potential bigots here.

//

89 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:14:32pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He also implied that devout Muslims considered themselves Muslim before anything else. And he attempted to quote (for some damn reason) the Times Square terrorist, but got the quote wrong (didn't bother to ever correct it or admit he got it wrong). Why he's presenting the views of terrorists as though they have validity, I don't know.

This is the same guy who-- and I learned about this today-- compared Michelle Obama to militant black separatist socialist Stokey Carmichael-- in a dress.

90 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:15:17pm

I wonder if Juan would be offended if I told him I get nervous when I see Muslims black people walking down the street...
Somehow, I know he would be...

91 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:15:58pm

re: #78 APox

FOR GODS SAKE, if you won't listen to the evil liberal media, listen to your past president!

WHAT CHANGED?!

didn't you hear? W has been declared a "closet liberal"

92 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:16:17pm

re: #81 jaunte

That's a really sweet story about the elder Bush.

93 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:16:45pm

I have 23,000 TrueBlue points. Now what? If they can be assigned, and somebody here has a demonstrable need for them, I will entertain requests.

94 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:17:53pm
95 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #86 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards!
Today's thought for the day
Given Sufficient thrust.. Pigs will fly just fine

Didn't they do that in a Monty Python movie? or was that a cow... I can'rt remember.

96 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:19:44pm

re: #93 imp_62

why deleted? I have posted that email repeatedly - I set that account up specifically for lgf. Is that a violation?

97 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:20:22pm

re: #96 imp_62

why deleted? I have posted that email repeatedly - I set that account up specifically for lgf. Is that a violation?

;)

Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"

98 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:21:13pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

;)

Yargh. Now I have to go to the trouble of turning my nic blue.

99 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:21:27pm

toodles all. off to dinner.

100 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:23:52pm

Oh and Reginald (since your here) I apologizes for my rudeness last night... something I don't usually do, but after thinking about it I think it only right.

101 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:23:58pm

Oh my god, did you see the end of that youtube video I posted? After Bush got done speaking, he yielded the floor to a man with Muslim garb who then proceeded to PREACH from the Quran!

Obviously everyone in the room should be very scared because:

1) The man is wearing something Muslim looking. He is not to be trusted.
2) Bush is speaking alongside a Muslim scholar, he must be a secret Muslim. Especially after the scholar says "We are grateful for George W. Bush"

I think I might be onto something. I'm going to go ring Pamela.

102 abbyadams  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:25:22pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

You are right. I think the problem is also not being rich, but the "rich culture," if there is such a thing. The fact that there are people that say "But these shoes are only $1200," and there are people who could eat on that amount for a year, shows that some (not all) of the wealthy people insulate themselves from others' reality. And that is a shame.

103 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:26:11pm

I hate teeth. Grrrr.

104 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:26:36pm

What Juan did was wrong -- not because he offended someone but rather because he helped to sustain a note of fear first hammered by Bill O'Reilly. That note resonated across the board when Juan stepped on the sustain pedal. He spoke his fear, and then did not man up and objectively disclaim it as irrational and childish. As a role model for young journalists, Juan should know better.

Juan has clearly jumped on the Fox bandwagon, where they pwn their audiences through alternating fear and bile.

105 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:28:13pm

re: #101 APox

Oh my god, did you see the end of that youtube video I posted? After Bush got done speaking, he yielded the floor to a man with Muslim garb who then proceeded to PREACH from the Quran!

Obviously everyone in the room should be very scared because:

1) The man is wearing something Muslim looking. He is not to be trusted.
2) Bush is speaking alongside a Muslim scholar, he must be a secret Muslim. Especially after the scholar says "We are grateful for George W. Bush"

I think I might be onto something. I'm going to go ring Pamela.

/well IF Bush is a seckrit Muslim AND the Troofers are correct then where is this going? My head hurts.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:29:17pm

Xanex is kicking in.

Xanex is extra good...

107 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:29:54pm

re: #103 Gus 802

I hate teeth. Grrr.

let me chew on that a minute

108 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:30:01pm

re: #104 Thanos

What Juan did was wrong -- not because he offended someone but rather because he helped to sustain a note of fear first hammered by Bill O'Reilly. That note resonated across the board when Juan stepped on the sustain pedal. He spoke his fear, and then did not man up and objectively disclaim it as irrational and childish. As a role model for young journalists, Juan should know better.

Juan has clearly jumped on the Fox bandwagon, where they pwn their audiences through alternating fear and bile.

That bolded part right there. That's what makes it bigoted speech.

109 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:31:18pm

re: #104 Thanos

What Juan did was wrong -- not because he offended someone but rather because he helped to sustain a note of fear first hammered by Bill O'Reilly. That note resonated across the board when Juan stepped on the sustain pedal. He spoke his fear, and then did not man up and objectively disclaim it as irrational and childish. As a role model for young journalists, Juan should know better.

Juan has clearly jumped on the Fox bandwagon, where they pwn their audiences through alternating fear and bile.

I can see the progression of it all, it's kind of interesting if it weren't so scary (to me at least).

1. We shouldn't have a mosque so close to where 9/11 occured.
2. Yeah! Muslims are gloating over their victory, OMG VICTORY MOSQUE!
3. Oh, you want to make it a "community center" do ya? Well .... MOOSLIMS can practice in the basement!
4. More mosques are popping up! In Tennessee! Look, they are expanding! (Que increased vandalism)
5. HEY, guess what folks, not all Muslims are terrorists, but for damned sure all terrorists are Muslim!
6. Muslims attacked us on 9/11!
7. We cannot be around any Muslims that wear their traditional clothing, because they are probably / most definitely terrorists!

I'm waiting for more steps.

110 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:34:50pm

Muslim derangement is a growth industry.

//

111 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:35:14pm

The next sound you hear will be wingnuts declaring they have a RIGHT to be scared of people in funny clothing!

112 Flounder  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:35:19pm

I thinks its PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!!!
Sorry, I had that song in my head all day, I feel better now.

113 jamesfirecat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:35:58pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

The next sound you hear will be wingnuts declaring they have a RIGHT to be scared of people in funny clothing!

Isn't that what they already say about Drag Queens?

114 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:36:20pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

The next sound you hear will be wingnuts declaring they have a RIGHT to be scared of people in funny clothing!

don't they have that right regardless?

115 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:37:16pm

re: #9 LudwigVanQuixote

Maybe Beck should put up something on the blackboard about all those sixes :)

But the last one's a 7. Gotcha!

///

116 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:37:25pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

The next sound you hear will be wingnuts declaring they have a RIGHT to be scared of people in funny clothing!

why won't sharks eat clowns?

117 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:37:59pm

re: #115 lostlakehiker

But the last one's a 7. Gotcha!

///

We were hoping that Beck would go on to infinity.

/

118 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:38:18pm

re: #114 albusteve

don't they have that right regardless?

the right to fear? hmmmm... I don't think it's in the constitution, but I could be wrong.

119 BenghaziHoops  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:38:44pm

re: #114 albusteve

don't they have that right regardless?

Hi Steve! Good to see you posting again..Hope the Rangers go to the WS

120 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:38:47pm

re: #116 engineer dog

why won't sharks eat clowns?

they think they are mimes...

121 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:38:48pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

That bolded part right there. That's what makes it bigoted speech.

Right - we all have impulses and xenophobia somewhat hardwired into us by our social evolution as a species. So it's true that you might have a bias and immediate reaction anytime you see a group of people "not of your tribe/family/group/religion etc." There are centers in the fore brain however that mediate those instinctive fears of the other & of the outsider -- just as you overcome other momentary fears. It's when you reinforce the legitimacy of that original fear while living in a free and pluralistic society that you join on the fearmongers side.

122 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:39:23pm

re: #118 brookly red

the right to fear? hmmm... I don't think it's in the constitution, but I could be wrong.

in other words, it's no skin off my back

123 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:39:26pm

re: #113 jamesfirecat

Isn't that what they already say about Drag Queens?

i'm horrified of Rudy Giuliani for that very reason............

124 Ming  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:40:21pm

In today's America, hatred pays, bigotry pays, aggression pays. Go on a rant, like Rick Santelli about people losing their homes, and you're famous. Be ready to lock, load, shoot, and reload, and you're a millionaire like Sarah Palin. A welfare queen like Christine O'Donnell says a few over-the-top things, and she gets hundreds of thousands of dollars of "campaign funds" for her personal use. Juan Williams is not the first, and won't be the last, to take advantage of this.

125 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:40:22pm

re: #122 albusteve

in other words, it's no skin off my back

I'm afraid not...

126 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:40:23pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

Hi Steve! Good to see you posting again..Hope the Rangers go to the WS

I'm around a bit, not much tho

127 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:41:36pm

re: #121 Thanos

Great observation, one of the reasons I really liked that Shirley Sherrod video (the full one) which really follows that exact process in a very real context. Maybe we will get to see Juan move down that same path. Something is telling me not so much, though.

128 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:42:36pm

re: #127 APox

Maybe we will get to see Juan move down that same path.

That path has been blocked by the biggest stack of twenties that you have ever seen.

129 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:43:12pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

That path has been blocked by the biggest stack of twenties that you have ever seen.

chicago politics 11ty!!!!!!!!!

130 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:43:13pm

re: #127 APox

No, his future employment now depends on his ability to foment fear and anger, not on his ability to objectively report.

131 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:43:44pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

That path has been blocked by the biggest stack of twenties that you have ever seen.

quite so
or are we simply jaded?
heh....I despise all of them, and their mothers

132 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:44:13pm

Man I need to write me a very short book with lots of white space and questionable assertions so I can get me in on some of that wingnut money.

I know..."Obama is a Doodyhead. How to start your child on wingnuttery early."

133 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:44:49pm

re: #131 albusteve

quite so
or are we simply jaded?
heh...I despise all of them, and their mothers

Hey steve, how ya feelin'?

134 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:45:37pm

re: #133 PT Barnum

Hey steve, how ya feelin'?

much lighter lately, but I heel to the left a tad

135 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:45:39pm

re: #130 Thanos

No, his future employment now depends on his ability to foment fear and anger, not on his ability to objectively report.

/I don't know about that... these days objectively reporting can cause fear & anger. Oh well they always say employers want people who can multi-task.

136 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:46:20pm

re: #132 PT Barnum

Man I need to write me a very short book with lots of white space and questionable assertions so I can get me in on some of that wingnut money.

I know..."Obama is a Doodyhead. How to start your child on wingnuttery early."

The problem is I can't figure out how to do this, as the last time I tried I had to work really hard at it. What puzzles me is the ability of some of these people to just churn it out.

137 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:47:06pm

re: #134 albusteve

much lighter lately, but I heel to the left a tad

I've frequently remarked I thought you were a heel, but that wasn't what I meant. Hope you get to feeling better.

138 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:49:08pm

re: #137 PT Barnum

I've frequently remarked I thought you were a heel, but that wasn't what I meant. Hope you get to feeling better.

so do I
thanks

139 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:51:15pm

It's rather stupid when you think about it. Terrorists, who happen to be Muslim, don't wear traditional Muslim clothing when carrying out an attack. Everyone knows that the 911 hijackers wore ordinary Western clothing and were also clean shaven. So the notion that Juan Williams spoke the truth is only true to the level that yes, it's true that some people may get nervous, but it's both an irrational response and a fallacy that does not match real world conditions.

140 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:52:07pm

re: #139 Gus 802

It's rather stupid when you think about it. Terrorists, who happen to be Muslim, don't wear traditional Muslim clothing when carrying out an attack. Everyone knows that the 911 hijackers wore ordinary Western clothing and were also clean shaven. So the notion that Juan Williams spoke the truth is only true to the level that yes, it's true that some people may get nervous, but it's both an irrational response and a fallacy that does not match real world conditions.

Juan Williams should have kept his feeling about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist.

141 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:53:57pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

The next sound you hear will be wingnuts declaring they have a RIGHT to be scared of people in funny clothing!

Well, they do. Or spiders. Spiders are really scary. They weave a web, and trap you in it, and then suck your precious bodily fluids out. And they've got fangs. And their webs are made of about the strongest stuff in the world. And they're poisonous. And, and, and...

and if this strikes you as silly, your own particular fear strikes others as silly too. People do have a right to be afraid of stuff whether or not their fears make sense.

The fear of Communism had some merit. Communism had proved persuasive. It had conquered, by a mix of dawah and sword, an unhealthy fraction of the world. It meant to conquer it all. Its founding documents said as much. Communist plotting stretched to the ends of the earth, and there were in fact traitors in our midst. Highly placed men worked for the Soviets. The Venona intercept files prove it.

The question was, first, just how dangerous was Communism as a purely military matter. And the answer was, very, very dangerous if the Communists wanted death for us above life for themselves. But that was not on their agenda. Their bristling armaments would come in handy for conquest if the opportunity presented, but the first mission of those forces was to defend the homeland.

So, provided we didn't tempt them by giving an impression of irresolution or weakness, that risk was pretty much covered. There was no way they could just up and conquer us, and do it at a price that would be acceptable to their side.

The next question was, just how dangerous was Communism as an ideological threat? Was it a virus that infects the mind, and that would conquer us by simply yacking until we gave in? The answer of course was no. Our society was not so fatally undermined by internal fault lines as those of Russia or China or Vietnam, that we could not throw off this meme-infection.

And now comes the threat of Islam. If threat it is. As a purely military question, dar al Islam has minimal capabilities. So much for that. As a meme-infection, it's had well over a thousand years to try its luck. Nothing doing here. There is no real reason to think that our own institutions stink so badly now that we'll fall for just any old doctrine. And if they were, frankly, we could do worse than Islam. We could, for instance, adopt Communism.

Islam does not suck the life out of the nations it gains for its creed, to the point that in a century or so they just collapse of their own weight. So, medically speaking, if we're going to push the metaphor, it's not really an "infection". It's just a human choice, one among several viable alternatives.

The U.S. is on a different trajectory, making different choices, and there's no real prospect of that changing. We really have nothing to fear but fear itself, and of course, the odd spider bite.

142 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:54:13pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Juan Williams should have kept his feeling about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist.

he needs a boyfriend

143 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:54:23pm

NPR is going to hire his twin brother Amal, who actually is a Muslim, because if you've seen Juan, you've seen Amal.

144 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:55:44pm

re: #139 Gus 802

It's rather stupid when you think about it. Terrorists, who happen to be Muslim, don't wear traditional Muslim clothing when carrying out an attack. Everyone knows that the 911 hijackers wore ordinary Western clothing and were also clean shaven. So the notion that Juan Williams spoke the truth is only true to the level that yes, it's true that some people may get nervous, but it's both an irrational response and a fallacy that does not match real world conditions.

I agree but that's not where the right is headed. They want to oppose Islam in general. They want to prohibit mosques, stop companies from making halal food. It's not really about how legitimate his fears may or may not be. They just want to express their fear.

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:56:12pm

re: #143 PT Barnum

NPR is going to hire his twin brother Amal, who actually is a Muslim, because if you've seen Juan, you've seen Amal.

lol

146 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:56:39pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

I agree but that's not where the right is headed. They want to oppose Islam in general. They want to prohibit mosques, stop companies from making halal food. It's not really about how legitimate his fears may or may not be. They just want to express their fear.

The right just wants everyone to be scared and stupid, because why should they be the only ones?

147 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:57:30pm

re: #143 PT Barnum

I'm stealing that ... :)

148 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:57:56pm

I tried to watch the video on Hot Air of the blonde lady yelling at Ibrahim Hooper. I can't take it. The anger is just too much.

149 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:58:17pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

lol

Juan will be starring in his own talk show on Fox called
"You Mecca Me Crazy!"

150 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:58:46pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

I agree but that's not where the right is headed. They want to oppose Islam in general. They want to prohibit mosques, stop companies from making halal food. It's not really about how legitimate his fears may or may not be. They just want to express their fear.

'being somebody' on the nightly news trumps fear....fear is just the syringe, the real buzz is the recognition, the cool hair

151 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:59:00pm

re: #147 Thanos

I'm stealing that ... :)

No problem...I stole it from someone else..so I won't complain.

152 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:59:25pm

re: #149 PT Barnum

Juan will be starring in his own talk show on Fox called
"You Mecca Me Crazy!"

Followed by their new kids show "Jihad Joe"

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:59:27pm

re: #11 Tigger2005

Sorry to go OT so soon, but wow, I got this e-mail from iUniverse advertising this fundie creationist cretin's book about "taking our country back" and had to share it. This book is being marketed to Tea Partiers. Now why do ya think iUniverse thinks this book will find a receptive audience in the Tea Party?

So, exactly what culture and time does this fella think adequately expressed free will and God's?

154 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 4:59:42pm

re: #151 PT Barnum

No problem...I stole it from someone else..so I won't complain.

you toad
I knew it!

155 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:00:12pm

re: #150 albusteve

How ya doing? Any better?

156 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:00:43pm

re: #154 albusteve

you toad
I knew it!

Not in this particular context however. I'd heard the joke 10 years ago.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:02:02pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

I hate rich people.

Really? I know some very nice ones. I went to Sunday School with Melvin Belli's daughter, and he was a lovely man, at least from an eight year old's perspective.

158 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:02:17pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

How ya doing? Any better?

another surgery 11-1...
so no, they may have to take more off my leg bone...if so that's 12 weeks of recovery down the toilet....I'm goin for the record

159 BenghaziHoops  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:02:26pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Juan Williams should have kept his feeling about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist.

Why? I thought this was fucking America..He can say what he wants and pay the price for his views....So he lost his job...If I said what he said I'd lose my job..
But this is still effen America..Ironic If you ask me..He expressed a deep fear personally...He'll fit in perfectly for Fox News now...Cause they all fear Muslims..Doesn't mean he has to shut up to please others..

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:02:43pm

re: #46 darthstar

Class war fair?

Kill the rich! Burn their houses! Be unpleasant to their spouses!

//Channeling Barry Kent. Sorry.

161 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:03:38pm

re: #158 albusteve

another surgery 11-1...
so no, they may have to take more off my leg bone...if so that's 12 weeks of recovery down the toilet...I'm goin for the record

Damn. I'm so sorry to hear that.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:03:47pm

re: #54 darthstar

There's nothing wrong with being rich. I want to be rich some day. I could do a lot of good for the people of this planet if I had the money. Nothing would make me happier than having the money to be a big fucking philanthropist that everyone hated because he never took care of their pet project.

It's rich people who spend their wealth protecting other rich people that I don't like. I don't hate them...but I don't like them, either.

"First I want to be young, and wild. And then I want to be middle-aged, and rich. And then I want to be old, and annoy people by pretending to be deaf."

--Edmund Blackadder

163 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:04:38pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

"First I want to be young, and wild. And then I want to be middle-aged, and rich. And then I want to be old, and annoy people by pretending to be deaf."

--Edmund Blackadder

I just bought a new hearing aid.

What kind is it?

About 3:45.

164 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:05:01pm

re: #159 HoosierHoops

Why? I thought this was fucking America..He can say what he wants and pay the price for his views...So he lost his job...If I said what he said I'd lose my job..
But this is still effen America..Ironic If you ask me..He expressed a deep fear personally...He'll fit in perfectly for Fox News now...Cause they all fear Muslims..Doesn't mean he has to shut up to please others..

agreed....Americans are too damned nosey
people say all kinds of stuff, it becomes whoopless

165 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:05:35pm

re: #159 HoosierHoops

Why? I thought this was fucking America..He can say what he wants and pay the price for his views...So he lost his job...If I said what he said I'd lose my job..
But this is still effen America..Ironic If you ask me..He expressed a deep fear personally...He'll fit in perfectly for Fox News now...Cause they all fear Muslims..Doesn't mean he has to shut up to please others..

Oh... well that comment came from NPR CEO Vivian Schiller earlier today...

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Just thought you'd like to know.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:06:41pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

From Juan's statement at Fox:

Can someone's clothes identify them "first and foremost" as their religion? If a man is wearing a kippah, I see him first and foremost as a man, a fellow human. If someone told Juan that they see him "first and foremost" as black, would he think that was bigoted?

And just how expert is Juan at identifying the religion of a person by their clothes?

But of course, what it comes down to is that Juan has no self-preservation skills if the people he's afraid of are the ones who stand out from the crowd by the way they dress. It's never that guy.

I will admit, since I am not a public figure, to having felt paranoia on planes about people I thought could be Muslims.

I also know what a dumbass I'm being, not least because on one occasion, the guy I was watching whipped out his siddur and turned to the Tefilat ha-Derech while we were waiting for the plane to go to the runway.

167 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:07:07pm

re: #158 albusteve

another surgery 11-1...
so no, they may have to take more off my leg bone...if so that's 12 weeks of recovery down the toilet...I'm goin for the record

Wow Steve, hope things go better in future.

168 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:07:14pm

The ultra-rich tend to be great benefactors - from Rockefeller and Carnegie to Buffett and Gates today.

Melinda Gates was recently featured on '60 Minutes' describing how she and Bill were giving away over $40 billion of personal wealth for education and vaccines.

Awesome woman. Bill doesn't fuck up.

169 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:07:15pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Damn. I'm so sorry to hear that.

bah...it's just another way of life now
I'll survive thanks

170 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:07:52pm

re: #168 Linden Arden

The ultra-rich tend to be great benefactors - from Rockefeller and Carnegie to Buffett and Gates today.

Melinda Gates was recently featured on '60 Minutes' describing how she and Bill were giving away over $40 billion of personal wealth for education and vaccines.

Awesome woman. Bill doesn't fuck up.

No he likes it missionary....

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:08:09pm

re: #89 Obdicut

He also implied that devout Muslims considered themselves Muslim before anything else. And he attempted to quote (for some damn reason) the Times Square terrorist, but got the quote wrong (didn't bother to ever correct it or admit he got it wrong). Why he's presenting the views of terrorists as though they have validity, I don't know.

This is the same guy who-- and I learned about this today-- compared Michelle Obama to militant black separatist socialist Stokey Carmichael-- in a dress.

Stokely wouldn't have cared for that. Wasn't he the one who said the position of women in SNCC was 'prone'?

172 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:09:22pm

re: #167 Thanos

Wow Steve, hope things go better in future.

yeah, I miss reading your posts....it's hard to hang out for too long at one time, but I'll be okay again someday

173 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:10:15pm

re: #172 albusteve

yeah, I miss reading your posts...it's hard to hang out for too long at one time, but I'll be okay again someday

Do they think they'll be able to set you up with a prosthetic at some point?

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:10:20pm

re: #132 PT Barnum

Man I need to write me a very short book with lots of white space and questionable assertions so I can get me in on some of that wingnut money.

I know..."Obama is a Doodyhead. How to start your child on wingnuttery early."

Sorry. "Help! Mom! There's A Liberal Under My Bed!" is already in print.

I only wish I was joking.

175 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:10:53pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Juan Williams should have kept his feeling about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist.

Well, now that Fox will be paying him the big money he should be able to afford a psychiatrist.

/

176 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:11:00pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. A macho dick-swinger, too.

177 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:11:03pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry. "Help! Mom! There's A Liberal Under My Bed!" is already in print.

I only wish I was joking.

Maybe I'll write "Help Mom! There's a Republican Homophobe in my Closet!"

178 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:13:13pm

re: #173 PT Barnum

Do they think they'll be able to set you up with a prosthetic at some point?

that's the idea...infections have stalled the whole process tho...the entire ordeal has been one disappointment after another...a prosthetic is months away at best right now

179 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:13:48pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

I will admit, since I am not a public figure, to having felt paranoia on planes about people I thought could be Muslims.

I also know what a dumbass I'm being, not least because on one occasion, the guy I was watching whipped out his siddur and turned to the Tefilat ha-Derech while we were waiting for the plane to go to the runway.

I had to look up a couple of words to make that funny. Worth it.

180 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:15:02pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry. "Help! Mom! There's A Liberal Under My Bed!" is already in print.

I only wish I was joking.


Just read the reviews on Amazon and I wish the authors were joking.

181 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:16:36pm

How is it that we teach our kids to share and be nice to each other in kindergarten only for the conservatives to try and convince them that being a selfish prick is more virtuous later on in life?

182 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:17:22pm

re: #181 PT Barnum

How is it that we teach our kids to share and be nice to each other in kindergarten only for the conservatives to try and convince them that being a selfish prick is more virtuous later on in life?

Because in this world, if you don't cover your ass, you get shit on... next question.

183 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:17:48pm

re: #158 albusteve

another surgery 11-1...
so no, they may have to take more off my leg bone...if so that's 12 weeks of recovery down the toilet...I'm goin for the record

Totally sucks, Steve, but hang with it.

184 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:18:12pm

re: #182 Walter L. Newton

Because in this world, if you don't cover your ass, you get shit on... next question.

So better to be the shitter than being the shittee? In other words do unto others before they get the chance to do unto you?

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:18:14pm

re: #182 Walter L. Newton

Because in this world, if you don't cover your ass, you get shit on... next question.

There's a distinction between self-preservation and believing that there's something self-evidently moral about "I've got mine, Jack".

186 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:18:47pm

Waay OT
Watching BBC news. Germany has a gold bullion vernding machine. Put in your money, choose your gold coin, and select, then go.
[Link: www.dvorak.org...]
Sure beats goldline!

How cool is that?

187 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:18:51pm

Brian Stelter (NY Times)

By dismissing Mr. Williams, one of its senior news analysts, NPR argued that he had violated the corporation’s belief in impartiality, a core tenet of modern American journalism. By renewing Mr. Williams’ contract, Fox News showed its preference for point-of-view — rather than the view-from-nowhere — polemic. And it gave Fox the opportunity to jab NPR, the public radio organization that has long been a target of conservatives for what they perceive to be a liberal bias.

That pretty much says it all.

188 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:19:04pm

re: #184 PT Barnum

So better to be the shitter than being the shittee? In other words do unto others before they get the chance to do unto you?

I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. What an awful life you must have had to be that cynical.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:19:04pm

re: #186 Rightwingconspirator

Waay OT
Watching BBC news. Germany has a gold bullion vernding machine. Put in your money, choose your gold coin, and select, then go.
[Link: www.dvorak.org...]
Sure beats goldline!

How cool is that?

My MIL wants one.

190 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:19:53pm

re: #187 darthstar

Brian Stelter (NY Times)

That pretty much says it all.

NPR is hardly impartial.....gag me

191 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:20:02pm

Hmm. I'm filling in my absentee ballot as we speak, and I have the option of a Republican or the NPA candidate, everyone of them I've researched is a far far far right tea party candidate ([Link: mathiasvenditto.org...]

I'm kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place as a liberal. Guess I'll be voting Republican!

192 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:20:38pm

re: #190 albusteve

NPR is hardly impartial...gag me

Heh...thanks for being predictable. How are you feeling, by the way? Hope all is well.

193 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:21:02pm

re: #188 PT Barnum

I'm sorry you feel that way Walter. What an awful life you must have had to be that cynical.

hahaha!
good one

194 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:21:30pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a distinction between self-preservation and believing that there's something self-evidently moral about "I've got mine, Jack".

Keep telling yourself that.

195 Libtard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:21:52pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Huh!!!! I bet you like your pal Soros????

196 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:22:08pm

re: #192 darthstar

Heh...thanks for being predictable. How are you feeling, by the way? Hope all is well.

I'm hanging in there

197 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:22:08pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry. "Help! Mom! There's A Liberal Under My Bed!" is already in print.

I only wish I was joking.

Product Description
This full-color illustrated book is a fun way for parents to teach young children the valuable lessons of conservatism. Written in simple text, readers can follow along with Tommy and Lou as they open a lemonade stand to earn money for a swing set. But when liberals start demanding that Tommy and Lou pay half their money in taxes, take down their picture of Jesus, and serve broccoli with every glass of lemonade, the young brothers experience the downside to living in Liberaland.


Absurd.

198 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:22:24pm

re: #186 Rightwingconspirator

The Goldline scam is a thing of beauty in the grift world.

"Don't buy bullion - FDR confiscated it in the 30's and so will Obama! Buy our overpriced vintage gold coins!"

199 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:22:42pm

re: #190 albusteve

NPR is hardly impartial...gag me

of course they are, if they were not how could the get public fundi...

never mind.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:22:57pm

re: #197 jaunte

Absurd.

There's two more in the series.

201 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:23:07pm

re: #187 darthstar

Brian Stelter (NY Times)

That pretty much says it all.

When everything settles nothing will have changed. Most Fox News viewers will keep thinking that the next airline hijackers will be wearing Dishdashas.

202 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:23:07pm

re: #196 albusteve

I'm hanging in there

Watching the ballgame? We had a Grateful Anthem again!

203 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:23:17pm

re: #195 Libtard

Huh!!! I bet you like your pal Soros???

Do you smell something? You must be mistaking me for a liberal who cares?

204 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:23:42pm

[Link: www.vote4dicknov2.com...]

I love this address.

205 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:08pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a distinction between self-preservation and believing that there's something self-evidently moral about "I've got mine, Jack".

/and that something is a union card!

206 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:08pm

re: #199 brookly red

of course they are, if they were not how could the get public fundi...

never mind.

Except they don't get public funding. They get dues from member stations who get public funding. The stations wouldn't renew if they weren't getting demand from their listeners.

207 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:11pm

re: #199 brookly red

of course they are, if they were not how could the get public fundi...

never mind.

Public/Government funding for NPR is about 1% of their fund-raising (yes, it's been cut that much over the last ten years).

208 laZardo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:16pm

I support this cause because it's funny when little kids use profanity on video.

There, I said it.

Youtube Video
209 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:42pm

re: #202 darthstar

Watching the ballgame? We had a Grateful Anthem again!

no more MLB for me....I can't stand the floor length pantaloons the players wear

210 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:55pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

There's two more in the series.

It just gets weirder:

Help! Mom! Hollywood's in My Hamper!
Product Description
Janie and Sam were happy just being kids -- that is, until celebrities started popping out of their hamper to tell them how to behave and to sell them expensive clothes. With Hollywood and its friends in the liberal media declaring war on traditional values, what's a concerned parent to do?
211 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:24:57pm

re: #198 Linden Arden

Grrr. I have friends in the biz.You can buy coins for market plus 10%, sell at 98% easy. So gold only has to move 12 % for you to be ahead. I read goldline is 40%!!

212 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:25:01pm

re: #204 APox

[Link: www.vote4dicknov2.com...]

I love this address.

I guess I don't know dick..

(Walter, Steve, and Brookly like to tell me that all the time)

213 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:25:12pm

If you have a business and run it like a selfish prick you won't last very long. Greedy bastards might be greedy but no one likes a selfish prick.

//

214 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:25:51pm

re: #213 Gus 802

If you have a business and run it like a selfish prick you won't last very long. Greedy bastards might be greedy but no one likes a selfish prick.

//

Wanna bet... try Kroger.

215 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:26:05pm

re: #207 darthstar

Public/Government funding for NPR is about 1% of their fund-raising (yes, it's been cut that much over the last ten years).

still more MSM drivel...but if that's your team, root for them

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:26:07pm

re: #210 jaunte

It just gets weirder:

Now, if we can blame liberals for Hollywood selling junk to kids, can I blame conservatives for Wal-Mart's Christmas ads getting my kids all ramped up on materialism?

217 Steve Dutch  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:26:15pm

re: #11 Tigger2005

the stupid - it burns!!!

"Substituted natural law for scientific fact?" I suppose for people who think the Founding Fathers were all evangelicals, history really is irrelevant, but for those of us who actually read it, the phrase "natural law" originated in theology. It referred originally to the rational basis for moral law, that "thou shalt not steal" wasn't just arbitrary but had a rational basis. From immutable moral laws it was a short step to immutable physical laws.

Am I the only one who thinks Williams was planning to jump ship and picked a dramatic way to do it?

218 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:26:16pm

re: #207 darthstar

I think it more than that but you may be right...

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:26:35pm

Libtard, I don't think you're long for this blog. Want to prove me wrong?

220 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:27:38pm

This full-color illustrated book is a fun way for parents to teach young children the valuable lessons of conservatism. Written in simple text, readers can follow along with Tommy and Lou as they open a lemonade stand to earn money for a swing set. But when liberals start demanding that Tommy and Lou pay half their money in taxes, take down their picture of Jesus, and serve broccoli with every glass of lemonade, the young brothers experience the downside to living in Liberaland

then tommy and lou get to live in conservativeland where the taxes are low and they are protected against the evil boogymuslims! all the tax money they pay goes to reading the notes they pass in class - no bogeymuslims are caught, but boy oh boy are they in trouble when it turns out they have been cutting class and experimenting with kissing! fun ensues when they are locked in their room without supper and have to spend their evening fighting the cockaroaches that proliferate since the low tax rate results in lack of sanitary services for the neighborhood! fun fun fun for all ages!

221 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:27:54pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

Wanna bet... try Kroger.

OK, being a selfish prick is a virtue.

222 eastsider  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:28:15pm

so, being an a$$hole pays better?

223 MinisterO  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:28:48pm

Confessing to an irrational fear of Muslims in airports would be mildly irresponsible for a man in Juan's position. I say that because of the growing anti-Muslim sentiment that's being nurtured in this country.

The offensive part is that he completely fails to note that such fear is irrational. He even attempts to rationalize it. There's no redemption for Juan later in the video, nor in his subsequent statements to Fox. He stands by the rationalization.

No doubt there'll be a grand reception for Fox's newest trophy bride.

224 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:28:58pm

re: #195 Libtard

3, 2, 1...

225 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:29:48pm

re: #218 brookly red

I think it more than that but you may be right...

About 2% of NPR's non-membership created funding comes from bidding on government grants and programs, chiefly the Corporation for Public Broadcasting; the remainder comes from member station dues, foundation grants, and corporate underwriting. Typically, NPR member stations raise funds through on-air pledge drives, corporate underwriting, and grants from state governments, universities, and the CPB itself.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

226 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:30:06pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Libtard, I don't think you're long for this blog. Want to prove me wrong?

I don't think he even understood what Walter was doing.

227 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:30:15pm

I wish Soros was my friend....

228 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:31:07pm

"Janie and Sam were happy just being kids -- that is, until Gen Beck started popping out of their televisions to tell them who to fear and to sell them expensive survival supplies and gold coins."

229 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:31:30pm

re: #226 Gus 802

I don't think he even understood what Walter was doing.

No... I don't think so... really, some people need to put their toe into the water first, check things out, before shooting their mouth off and proving they are fools to start with.

Besides, that's my job.

230 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:31:48pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Libtard, I don't think you're long for this blog. Want to prove me wrong?

He just went bye bye.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:32:12pm

re: #226 Gus 802

I don't think he even understood what Walter was doing.

So, a dim troll? Or one who hasn't actually lurked long enough to learn the cast?

232 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:32:37pm

re: #230 Gus 802

He just went bye bye.

The name was a red flag, really.

233 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:32:43pm

Gen Bleck, I mean.

234 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:32:52pm

re: #227 webevintage

I wish Soros was my friend...

Soros only gave NPR 1.8 million. Joan Kroc (of McDonald's fame) gave 225 Million. You gonna start complaining about her too?

235 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:33:04pm

re: #227 webevintage

I wish Soros was my friend...

talk to Ice.......

;-)

236 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:33:17pm

re: #225 darthstar

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

/Ah-ha 2% that twice what you first claimed!

237 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:33:28pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

So, a dim troll? Or one who hasn't actually lurked long enough to learn the cast?

Yep. Hence the Soros snark.

238 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:33:29pm

re: #227 webevintage

I wish Soros was my friend...

tsuris is my companion

239 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:33:35pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

And the comment is gone.

240 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:33:50pm

re: #236 brookly red

/Ah-ha 2% that twice what you first claimed!

Still, we're not talking about a lot of their budget.

241 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:34:24pm

re: #234 PT Barnum

Soros only gave NPR 1.8 million. Joan Kroc (of McDonald's fame) gave 225 Million. You gonna start complaining about her too?

Mark Knopfler already covered McDonalds...

Youtube Video
242 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:34:35pm

re: #234 PT Barnum

Soros only gave NPR 1.8 million. Joan Kroc (of McDonald's fame) gave 225 Million. You gonna start complaining about her too?

I wish Joan Kroc was my friend but I think she is dead....

243 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:35:13pm

re: #240 darthstar

Still, we're not talking about a lot of their budget.

true that...

244 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:35:17pm

re: #240 darthstar

Still, we're not talking about a lot of their budget.

Maybe $100-300k


Hell If I won the lottery I'd give my local station enough to not have to do pledge week for 10 years. Reminds me too much of sex with my ex wife. Took 20 minutes of begging before I got to anything I cared about.

245 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:35:49pm

re: #241 EmmmieG

Mark Knopfler already covered McDonalds...


[Video]

Knopfler is one of my faves!

246 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:36:58pm

re: #245 PT Barnum

Knopfler is one of my faves!

I'd heard that song and never quite connected it...geeze now I feel stupid.

247 b_Snark  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:38:03pm

OK, what did I miss.

248 EastSider  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:38:09pm

Anyone else find it ironic that Juan's paycheck will now be supplied by Saudis?

249 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:39:53pm

re: #248 EastSider

Anyone else find it ironic that Juan's paycheck will now be supplied by Saudis?

/at least they aren't commies...

250 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:40:34pm

re: #248 EastSider

Anyone else find it ironic that Juan's paycheck will now be supplied by Saudis?

dressed like this......
Image: murdoch_alaweed.jpg

251 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:40:48pm

Soros is one of the great capitalists of the world.

Besides earning $13 billion, his institute provides small loans to millions of women in third world countries (like $50) in order to seed market participation and the opportunity to escape abusive males.

Yet the liars at Fox News attack him all day every day.

252 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:40:48pm

re: #234 PT Barnum

Soros only gave NPR 1.8 million. Joan Kroc (of McDonald's fame) gave 225 Million. You gonna start complaining about her too?

My grandma did not like Joan for breaking up Kroc's first marriage. She's A
Ok in my book.

253 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:41:06pm

re: #250 wozzablog

dressed like this...
Image: murdoch_alaweed.jpg

Run for teh hill! It's a terrorist!

//

254 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:41:55pm

re: #253 Gus 802

i always find Murdoch the scarier sight - guess the propaganda don't work on me :-p

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:42:02pm

re: #253 Gus 802

Run for teh hill! It's a terrorist!

//

I once shared a plane with a Saudi family, the father in the full white regalia. It's quite a look.

256 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:43:05pm

re: #244 PT Barnum

Maybe $100-300k

Hell If I won the lottery I'd give my local station enough to not have to do pledge week for 10 years. Reminds me too much of sex with my ex wife. Took 20 minutes of begging before I got to anything I cared about.

They get about 10 million a year, actually...still not a lot of money...they collect about 1 billion from viewers and foundations.

257 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:44:39pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I once shared a plane with a Saudi family, the father in the full white regalia. It's quite a look.

The royal 747 (with escorts) is quite a sight coming in to JFK...

258 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:46:00pm

How can people down ding deleted posts?

259 albusteve  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:46:05pm

re: #256 darthstar

They get about 10 million a year, actually...still not a lot of money...they collect about 1 billion from viewers and foundations.

impartiality is expensive these days...

send in the funds, keep the faith alive
without your checks, how can we survive?
we got cars in the yard, bills to pay
crosses to bear and souls to save
each and every day

260 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:46:38pm

about NPR finances

261 EastSider  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:47:51pm

re: #258 Gus 802

How can people down ding deleted posts?

they get in before its deleted

262 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:48:13pm

re: #256 darthstar

They get about 10 million a year, actually...still not a lot of money...they collect about 1 billion from viewers and foundations.

so I guess talk ain't so cheap after all...

263 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:48:24pm

re: #253 Gus 802

There are a few million subway/train/bus commuters that would laugh their asses off at Juan Williams or whatever guy in a suit all nervous about Muslims on a plane. These commuters ride with tattooed gang bangers, angry drunks, you name it. And these transports are terrorist targets too.

Man up, see something say something. Otherwise just take a nap.

Ethnic garb is just clothes. Sheesh.

264 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:49:17pm

huffpo

Early Voting Shows Surprising Turnout For Democrats

Election Day is already over for more than 3 million Americans, and a surprising number of them are Democrats.

Republicans clearly are gaining ground in turning out early voters compared with their showing two years ago, but figures from the first batch of states that offer clues about 2010 early voting patterns still give Democrats an edge in a number of states and big counties.

"If people thought the Democrats were just going to roll over and play dead in this election, that's not what we're seeing,"

265 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:51:21pm

re: #264 engineer dog

huffpo

Early Voting Shows Surprising Turnout For Democrats

Election Day is already over for more than 3 million Americans, and a surprising number of them are Democrats.

It's only surprising to the assholes who have been selling the "enthusiasm gap" bullshit 24/7 for the last four months in hopes we'd get a Republican majority and shut the black guy down. Fuck 'em. Just win the election and ignore the hype.

266 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:51:54pm

re: #195 Libtard

Sock puppet said what?

267 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:51:57pm

re: #263 Rightwingconspirator

There are a few million subway/train/bus commuters that would laugh their asses off at Juan Williams or whatever guy in a suit all nervous about Muslims on a plane. These commuters ride with tattooed gang bangers, angry drunks, you name it. And these transports are terrorist targets too.

Man up, see something say something. Otherwise just take a nap.

Ethnic garb is just clothes. Sheesh.

/blue jeans & a leather jacket is ethnic garb in some places I guess...

268 EastSider  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:52:42pm

re: #267 brookly red

/blue jeans & a leather jacket is ethnic garb in some places I guess...

But that's against white people. Which makes it racist and wrong.

/

269 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:53:30pm

re: #258 Gus 802

How can people down ding deleted posts?

Usually because the page has been open for a while, so the post is still there for them even if it was deleted in the time between when they loaded the page and the troll was 86'ed.

270 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:54:07pm

re: #264 engineer dog

The Tea Party and its commentators have scared the hell out of me. I feel obligated to vote more than I ever have since I was allowed to start voting four years ago. :)

271 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:55:02pm

re: #269 Charles

Usually because the page has been open for a while, so the post is still there for them even if it was deleted in the time between when they loaded the page and the troll was 86'ed.

OK thanks. So it's sort of like whether it's autoupdated or not.

272 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:57:06pm

re: #269 Charles

What right-wing extremism?

U.S. Rep. Raúl Grijalva’s congressional office is closed this afternoon as police respond to a suspicious piece of mail.

An envelope arrived with swastikas drawn on the outside and a white powdery substance on the inside, said Adam Sarvana, Grijalva’s spokesman.

273 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:57:08pm

Supposedly Jim DeMint's office has confirmed he's planning to introduce legislation to "defund" NPR. Also believes Terry Schiavo still has brain activity.

274 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:58:03pm

re: #273 negativ

Supposedly Jim DeMint's office has confirmed he's planning to introduce legislation to "defund" NPR. Also believes Terry Schiavo still has brain activity.

Jim DeMint has Terry Schiavo's briain in his head.

275 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:58:26pm

re: #273 negativ

Supposedly Jim DeMint's office has confirmed he's planning to introduce legislation to "defund" NPR. Also believes Terry Schiavo still has brain activity.

I'd find it harder to believe Jim Demint has brain activity.

276 PISSED  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:58:46pm

Good for FOX to pay a liberal to stay on the air and share their ideoligies!

277 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #272 darthstar

What right-wing extremism?

Oh, and McCain released an ad for Grijalva's opponent the other day...with his own campaign funds (McCain/Feingold violation, anyone?)

278 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:59:12pm

re: #273 negativ

Supposedly Jim DeMint's office has confirmed he's planning to introduce legislation to "defund" NPR. Also believes Terry Schiavo still has brain activity.

So I guess this is the kind of crap we'll be seeing if the GOP wins the House in November.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:59:18pm

re: #273 negativ

Supposedly Jim DeMint's office has confirmed he's planning to introduce legislation to "defund" NPR. Also believes Terry Schiavo still has brain activity.

Mrs. Schiavo is dead. Is Mr. DeMint feeling all right?

280 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 5:59:22pm

re: #270 APox

The Tea Party and its commentators have scared the hell out of me. I feel obligated to vote more than I ever have since I was allowed to start voting four years ago. :)

Look up Senator Joe McCarthy.

A US Senator who made himself famous for red-baiting and accusing the great General and US President Ike Eisenhower to be a communist.

He died of liver failure disgraced and alone at 48 after the red scare abated.

281 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:00:32pm

re: #280 Linden Arden

Time wounds all heels.

282 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:00:37pm

re: #278 Gus 802

So I guess this is the kind of crap we'll be seeing if the GOP wins the House in November.

We'll be seeing it regardless, it's more a matter of whether they can get it beyond FOX news.

283 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:00:40pm

re: #278 Gus 802

So I guess this is the kind of crap we'll be seeing if the GOP wins the House in November.

Along with Obama impeachment hearings.

284 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:00:57pm

OT - any surprises in in Bill O'Reilly viewers going 81%/19% against Stephen Colbert........

guess they don't like their own schtick done back to them.

285 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:01:27pm

re: #282 PT Barnum

We'll be seeing it regardless, it's more a matter of whether they can get it beyond FOX news.

Yeah but the strange part will come when they pass bills like this and bring it in front of Obama to sign.

286 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:01:44pm

re: #283 negativ

Along with Obama impeachment hearings.

One would hope that impeachment hearings would cause the non-crazy types to punish the GOP to the point of giving the Dems a fillibuster proof majority in 2012.

287 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:02:13pm

re: #270 APox

The Tea Party and its commentators have scared the hell out of me. I feel obligated to vote more than I ever have since I was allowed to start voting four years ago. :)

I worked my a@# off for Kerry in 2004. I am gun shy. When the pundits started with only land telephone lines being polled, it gave me the skivvies.

288 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:02:23pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Yeah but the strange part will come when they pass bills like this and bring it in front of Obama to sign.

Can he put a "WTF?" veto on them?

289 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:03:05pm

re: #283 negativ

Along with Obama impeachment hearings.

I for one welcome our new Biden overlord.........

290 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:03:22pm

re: #288 PT Barnum

Can he put a "WTF?" veto on them?

Along with a D-

Wouldn't want to discourage them.

/

291 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:03:57pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Yeah but the strange part will come when they pass bills like this and bring it in front of Obama to sign.

if obama signs a bill that was a republican initiative, will the birthers still consider it law even though they don't believe obama is really president?

292 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:04:15pm

re: #289 wozzablog

I for one welcome our new Biden overlord...

With John Boehner as the VP.

/

293 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:04:24pm

re: #290 Gus 802

Walt Terrence Fuller - D............

(which district is he from again?)

294 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:04:56pm

re: #292 Gus 802

With John Boehner as the VP.

/

you know how come people can start taking a joke too far?................. congrats buddy

;-)

295 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:07:00pm

Remember how conservatives all got outraged when David Frum got kicked out of American Enterprise Institute?

296 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:07:43pm

re: #295 negativ

Remember how conservatives all got outraged when David Frum got kicked out of American Enterprise Institute?

They didn't of course... They called him a RINO.

297 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:08:05pm

re: #295 negativ

Remember how conservatives all got outraged when David Frum got kicked out of American Enterprise Institute?

rhetorical question, correct?

298 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:08:52pm

Can I assume there will be live blogging on election night?

299 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:09:01pm

Right, forgot the thingy " / "

300 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:09:25pm

re: #278 Gus 802

So I guess this is the kind of crap we'll be seeing if the GOP wins the House in November.

Ohh I am sure they will try to insure nothing at all gets done by attempting to impeach the president on whatever trumped up grounds they can find.

It worked against Clinton. They are sure to try again.

301 b_Snark  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:10:24pm

re: #276 PISSED

Good for FOX to pay a liberal to stay on the air and share their ideoligies!

Damn libruls and their ideoligies, why does reality have to have a librul bias?

302 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:10:37pm

re: #300 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh I am sure they will try to insure nothing at all gets done by attempting to impeach the president on whatever trumped up grounds they can find.

It worked against Clinton. They are sure to try again.

they are insane, and the definition of insanity is to repeat the same action over again to the same effect while expecting a different result.

303 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:11:28pm

re: #300 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh I am sure they will try to insure nothing at all gets done by attempting to impeach the president on whatever trumped up grounds they can find.

It worked against Clinton. They are sure to try again.

In all honesty that would be detrimental... they want to win in 2012.

304 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:11:40pm

re: #300 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh I am sure they will try to insure nothing at all gets done by attempting to impeach the president on whatever trumped up grounds they can find.

It worked against Clinton. They are sure to try again.

Just what this country needs during a recession. If they do go ahead with that I don't think the Democrats will pass on the next chance they had like they did regarding the calls for impeaching Bush which the Democrats rejected.

305 laZardo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:11:46pm

re: #303 brookly red

In all honesty that would be detrimental... they want to win in 2012.

They won in 2000.

306 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:12:40pm

I mean, I could at least rap my brain around the side that wanted to impeach Clinton.

Exactly what would they say about Obama? WE DON'T LIKE HIM! SOCIALIST MUSLIM NON-US BORN EVIL MAN!

Meh.

307 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:12:57pm

OMG! The Chinese are coming!

Youtube Video

The Birch Society was right!

308 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:13:43pm

re: #303 brookly red

In all honesty that would be detrimental... they want to win in 2012.

if they won i'm not sure they would know what to do with it. and i'm fairly certain they don't either.

except...........

Massive tax cuts for companies and the wealthiest with the ensuing further mass deficits.

309 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:13:56pm

That would be something if the GOP was successful. First black president elected only to be impeached by the Republican Party.

And here comes the mortar shell. For something equally as stupid as the did with Clinton.

310 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:14:07pm

re: #306 APox

I mean, I could at least rap my brain around the side that wanted to impeach Clinton.

Exactly what would they say about Obama? WE DON'T LIKE HIM! SOCIALIST MUSLIM NON-US BORN EVIL MAN!

Meh.

They'll indict him for UnAmerican activities.

311 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:15:53pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

OMG! The Chinese are coming!

[Video]The Birch Society was right!

More fear mongering with a xenophobic twist.

312 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:16:09pm

Glenn Beck is of course our modern Joe McCarthy as I am sure its been pointed out many times.

Has anyone seen a good mash-up with Beck and McCarthy together?

313 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:16:09pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

They'll indict him for UnAmerican activities.

More than likely for DWB.

314 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:16:35pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

They'll indict him for UnAmerican activities.

even you don't really believe that, do you?

315 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:16:45pm

re: #309 Gus 802

That would be something if the GOP was successful. First black president elected only to be impeached by the Republican Party.

And here comes the mortar shell. For something equally as stupid as the did with Clinton.

They might try to impeach. They might even succeed. But I think Clinton proved that impeachment is really not that big of a deal. If the Republicans do it again they'll end up making the impeachment process meaningless.

316 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:18:23pm

re: #303 brookly red

In all honesty that would be detrimental... they want to win in 2012.

To whom? It would completely gum up any progress on the things their corporate masters want stopped, while preventing the Dems from doing anything.

Like I said, it worked well with Clinton, and this current GOP pack is even more rabid, unhinged, unscrupulous and incapable of seeing the consequences of their actions. If you think that foresighted grownups remain in the GOP high command, you are deluding yourself.

317 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:19:01pm

re: #314 brookly red

even you don't really believe that, do you?

You overestimate the potential raft of new GOP congress people who will line up with the teabagger caucs.

318 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:19:45pm

re: #314 brookly red

even you don't really believe that, do you?

Unless Bachmann, Boehner, DeMint, McCain, etc. are lying through their teeth on Fox News, then yes, I do believe they'd try the President for treason if given a chance...his middle fucking name is HUSSEIN!!11ty! How much more proof do these assholes need?

319 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:19:59pm

re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #317 wozzablog

sorry I just don't see it...

320 BenghaziHoops  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:20:13pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

They might try to impeach. They might even succeed. But I think Clinton proved that impeachment is really not that big of a deal. If the Republicans do it again they'll end up making the impeachment process meaningless.

Hi KT! How is that garden doing?
If Obama gets blow jobs from a WH intern and lies about it..The least of his problems will be impeachment from Congress...LOL

321 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:20:36pm

re: #280 Linden Arden

Look up Senator Joe McCarthy.

A US Senator who made himself famous for red-baiting and accusing the great General and US President Ike Eisenhower to be a communist.

He died of liver failure disgraced and alone at 48 after the red scare abated.

Only after good people stood up to him. Had he been allowed to, he would have kept on destroying innocent peoples lives for no good reason.

322 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:21:10pm

re: #314 brookly red

even you don't really believe that, do you?

There has been some talk from the right on reviving McCarthyism. I'm not sure they could really get away with that today but they might waste a lot of time and energy trying.

323 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:21:38pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

OMG! The Chinese are coming!
The Birch Society was right!

In reply:
Newly-Frugal Guy

Youtube Video
324 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:22:00pm

re: #319 brookly red

re: #317 wozzablog

sorry I just don't see it...


A cigar was good enough excuse to set the last one off - how much encouragement do you think they will need with a communist socialist kenyan marxist muslim organic growing usurper in the white house?

325 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:22:03pm

re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course the nation had a recovering economy and a dot com boom. Real growth comes in the next term I think. Or nearly.

326 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:22:13pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

So, a dim troll? Or one who hasn't actually lurked long enough to learn the cast?

It's likely is a dim troll, the intellectual featherweights trolling Think Progress were exiled last week. These are the lamest of the lame trolls. Their one time leader, Rick (rodan, trajan75) Martinez, showed up here a few days ago and tried using his inept trolling methods here. One thing is a given, when the Tampa Twit trolls, he fucking fails every single time.

327 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:23:57pm

re: #324 wozzablog

A cigar was good enough excuse to set the last one off - how much encouragement do you think they will need with a communist socialist kenyan marxist muslim organic growing usurper in the white house?

actually it was lying under oath, but don't let facts get in the way. sheesh. No one is going to try to impeach Obama.

328 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:24:15pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Hi KT! How is that garden doing?
If Obama gets blow jobs from a WH intern and lies about it..The least of his problems will be impeachment from Congress...LOL

I've cleaned out the summer garden and froze/canned some stuff. I'll pick and freeze the last of my Kiwis tomorrow. I have lots of Kale, Chard, Mustards and Collards to get me through the winter. I'm looking forward to digging up some salsify starting in November.

329 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:24:49pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout

If that takes off at all, consider the amplification evolving & growing social networks will provide. Many will regret their internet and Facebook posts.

330 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:25:29pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout

There has been some talk from the right on reviving McCarthyism. I'm not sure they could really get away with that today but they might waste a lot of time and energy trying.

might is a really funny word...

331 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:25:34pm

re: #327 brookly red

actually it was lying under oath, but don't let facts get in the way. sheesh. No one is going to try to impeach Obama.


you are denying there was a cigar involved anywhere along the line?........

332 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:25:39pm

re: #326 Reginald Perrin

It's likely is a dim troll, the intellectual featherweights trolling Think Progress were exiled last week. These are the lamest of the lame trolls. Their one time leader, Rick (rodan, trajan75) Martinez, showed up here a few days ago and tried using his inept trolling methods here. One thing is a given, when the Tampa Twit trolls, he fucking fails every single time.

I still want to know how "that proud Latin," who thinks he's white feels about the GOP forming a fake grass roots organization to tell Latinos not to vote.

He is the sickest of self hating, vile freaks. An honest kapo.

I would love to see him try saying the shit he says to Latinos who care about themselves. I suppose he would get his "white" ass beaten pretty badly.

333 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:26:39pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

The next sound you hear will be wingnuts declaring they have a RIGHT to be scared of people in funny clothing!

Technically, they can. It's just not a right practiced by rational people.

334 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:26:58pm

re: #327 brookly red

actually it was lying under oath, but don't let facts get in the way. sheesh. No one is going to try to impeach Obama.

I was being snarky about the UnAmerican activities but impeachment attempts are very possible. Maybe even likely. Republicans are going to start investigations as soon as they get elected. I think they are pretty open about that.

335 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:26:59pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

OMG! The Chinese are coming!

[Video]The Birch Society was right!

Oh. And China only owns 20.8 percent of the debt as US Treasury Securities held by foreign countries. Not 100 percent like the fear mongers like to portray. It's almost equal to what Japan holds. As of July 2010 it's only 846.7 billion. What we owe China is way overrated.

336 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:27:03pm

re: #331 wozzablog

you are denying there was a cigar involved anywhere along the line?...

depends on the meaning of the word involved...

337 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:27:11pm

re: #333 Romantic Heretic

except as someone mentioned earlier - clowns.

338 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:27:21pm

re: #336 brookly red

heh

339 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:27:47pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Libtard, I don't think you're long for this blog. Want to prove me wrong?

LOL,

By he way, who are the ladies in your nic picture?

340 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:28:18pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I was being snarky about the UnAmerican activities but impeachment attempts are very possible. Maybe even likely. Republicans are going to start investigations as soon as they get elected. I think they are pretty open about that.

investigate away, there is nothing to be found right?

341 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:28:55pm

re: #335 Gus 802

China has to buy our debt to maintain their currency peg.

342 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:29:39pm

re: #326 Reginald Perrin

He fails because his hate prevents him from actually arguing. When he is intelligently opposed, all that happens is his hate spews forth. Effective trolling would require self control he lacks.

343 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:31:26pm

re: #340 brookly red

investigate away, there is nothing to be found right?

They'll have no trouble finding something. Beck was already outlined it on his chalkboard. They can pick from a wide variety of wrongdoings.

344 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:31:47pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I was being snarky about the UnAmerican activities but impeachment attempts are very possible. Maybe even likely. Republicans are going to start investigations as soon as they get elected. I think they are pretty open about that.

They won't try to impeach him. They don't have the votes to convict, and the GOP leadership knows that a show impeachment would only make them look foolish. They aren't that dumb.

345 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:32:53pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

They won't try to impeach him. They don't have the votes to convict, and the GOP leadership knows that a show impeachment would only make them look foolish. They aren't that dumb.

Paul Ryan isn't that dumb.


Not too sure about the rest.

346 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:32:54pm

In an NPR world there would be things you couldn't say.

NPR types chill me to the core.

347 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:33:22pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

They won't try to impeach him. They don't have the votes to convict, and the GOP leadership knows that a show impeachment would only make them look foolish. They aren't that dumb.

As racist as the GOP has become, they probably wouldn't waste their time with an impeachment... they would just jump right to a tar and feathering... or worst.

348 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:33:45pm

Evening lizards!

Looks like I missed a big story today.

349 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:34:02pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

They'll have no trouble finding something. Beck was already outlined it on his chalkboard. They can pick from a wide variety of wrongdoings.

They may have problems making OLIGARHY stick though.

350 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:34:09pm

re: #345 Linden Arden

Paul Ryan isn't that dumb.

Not too sure about the rest.

John Boener isn't that foolish and neither is Mitch McConnell. Partisan, yes. Utterly stupid, no.

351 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:35:00pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

Darrell Issa seems to be a name that pops up fairly freqkuently when googling impeach Obama.

352 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:35:01pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

They'll have no trouble finding something. Beck was already outlined it on his chalkboard. They can pick from a wide variety of wrongdoings.

I am not following you KT... if there was an impeachable offense then it would come to pass. As you know I don't much like the guy,but I can't think of any high crimes or misdemeanors to speak of.

353 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:35:14pm

re: #351 wozzablog

i can not type tonight.

354 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:35:47pm

re: #347 Walter L. Newton

As racist as the GOP has become, they probably wouldn't waste their time with an impeachment... they would just jump right to a tar and feathering... or worst.

YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!ty

355 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:35:57pm

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords a two-party system is no basis for a system of rational government.

356 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:36:08pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

He fails because his hate prevents him from actually arguing. When he is intelligently opposed, all that happens is his hate spews forth. Effective trolling would require self control he lacks.

Well be fair, he isn't very bright, he's about as well educated as my pet terrier (and a lot less nice, or well trained) and he's rarely sober.

I know you're reading Ricky? How does it feel to know that the GOP whom you sell out your people to, doesn't think you are so white? It doesn't matter how much you scream about how other Latinos, the "bad" Latinos, were "tainted" with Indian blood, but you, you are somehow white - you sick fuck. As if being white makes anyone better.

Like kapos of all stripes and in all ages, the ones you serve see you as little more than a pet. In this case your GOP friends see you as a brown pet.

Hell, go to Arizona and see how the cops treat you there, you drunk bastard.

357 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:36:10pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

John Boener isn't that foolish and neither is Mitch McConnell. Partisan, yes. Utterly stupid, no.

Well I left the Senate out since impeachment is the subject. I like Scott Brown a lot.

The GOP House will be a mob in 2011.

358 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:36:15pm

re: #347 Walter L. Newton

As racist as the GOP has become, they probably wouldn't waste their time with an impeachment... they would just jump right to a tar and feathering... or worst.

worst? dey gonna make him into a susage?

359 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:37:16pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

Why not California Republicans? Moderate credentials, been the opposition party here (Ca) quite some time.

360 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:37:25pm

re: #346 Ojoe

In an NPR world there would be things you couldn't say.

NPR types chill me to the core.

I still listen Car Talk on NPR, that it. I used to listen to their interviews but the mic sounds like it's inside someone's mouth. You can hear the phlegm splashing around while they are taking. I couldn't take it anymore and stopped listening.

361 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:37:27pm

re: #352 brookly red

There are people who want to impeach him for using public money to 'purchase' private auto companies.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:37:43pm

re: #327 brookly red

actually it was lying under oath, but don't let facts get in the way. sheesh. No one is going to try to impeach Obama.

Actually, it was a blatantly partisan attempt to take down Clinton by any means necessary, with considerable pre-planning, forethought and glee.

Anyone who thinks it was done more in sorrow than in anger, because they just HAD to, was not watching TV at the time. The pack was drooling for blood and giggling at the same time.

I say it's about 25% they'll try to take Obama down the same way.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:38:30pm

re: #339 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL,

By he way, who are the ladies in your nic picture?

Achinoam Nini and Mira Awad. Israel's most recent Eurovision team.

364 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:38:53pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Achinoam Nini and Mira Awad. Israel's most recent Eurovision team.

Fabulous. I was hoping one was you.

365 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:39:34pm

re: #355 Ojoe

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords a two-party system is no basis for a system of rational government.

For the most part it has worked out quite well in the Anglosphere.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:39:39pm

re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote

Fabulous. I was hoping one was you.

Alas, no. ;)

367 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:40:04pm

re: #143 PT Barnum

NPR is going to hire his twin brother Amal, who actually is a Muslim, because if you've seen Juan, you've seen Amal.

Ow! Owowowowowow!

368 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:40:09pm

re: #359 Rightwingconspirator

Why not California Republicans? Moderate credentials, been the opposition party here (Ca) quite some time.

Theres some prime crazy in the GOP congressional delegation.

369 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:40:12pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, it was a blatantly partisan attempt to take down Clinton by any means necessary, with considerable pre-planning, forethought and glee.

Anyone who thinks it was done more in sorrow than in anger, because they just HAD to, was not watching TV at the time. The pack was drooling for blood and giggling at the same time.

I say it's about 25% they'll try to take Obama down the same way.

why would they want to? his policies are unpopular... he does them more good staying where he is, no?

370 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:40:29pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Did you see Closer?

I fell in hopeless forlorn love with Natalie Portman.

371 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:40:59pm

re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote

Fabulous. I was hoping one was you.

The one on the left is close to my mental image of SFZ.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:41:30pm

re: #369 brookly red

why would they want to? his policies are unpopular... he does them more good staying where he is, no?

"His policies are unpopular."

With the Tea Party.

373 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:41:33pm

re: #353 wozzablog

i can not type tonight.

It happens to me regularly.

374 laZardo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:41:33pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Achinoam Nini and Mira Awad. Israel's most recent Eurovision team.

Speaking of Israel...

After dropping in on New York City earlier this month, the Top Gear UK crew decided to travel somewhere slightly less dangerous for their next challenge: Israel. The cars, including a hookah-equipped MX-5, look remarkably Bedouin.

375 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:41:56pm

re: #356 LudwigVanQuixote

And here we see Ludwig lobbing a concussion grenade into the Fever Swamp. It detonates below the slime cover surface with a tower of scummy water, followed by the sighting of trolls flouncing into the air, screeching out cries of hate.

Good wholesome fun for the family. >:D

376 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:42:44pm

re: #371 wlewisiii

The one on the left is close to my mental image of SFZ.

Interesting. I always pictured her with straight hair.

SFZ, please do not be offended by our speculations. We are certain you are gorgeous. Take it only as a compliment.

377 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:43:27pm

re: #368 wozzablog

Theres some prime crazy in the GOP congressional delegation.

I would not deny some. Rural usually. But perhaps some talent as well.

378 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:44:08pm

re: #376 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting. I always pictured her with straight hair.

SFZ, please do not be offended by our speculations. We are certain you are gorgeous. Take it only as a compliment.

I can hear the Tennessee Waltz in the background.

/

379 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:44:22pm

According to spy I think I eyes me an angry one.

OK, maybe two.

380 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:44:51pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

"His policies are unpopular."

With the Tea Party.

Gallup has him well under 50%... there must be a whole lot of TPers...

381 BenghaziHoops  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:44:59pm

re: #376 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting. I always pictured her with straight hair.

SFZ, please do not be offended by our speculations. We are certain you are gorgeous. Take it only as a compliment.

Her Spirit is beautiful...And really that is all that matters

382 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:45:21pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

And here we see Ludwig lobbing a concussion grenade into the Fever Swamp. It detonates below the slime cover surface with a tower of scummy water, followed by the sighting of trolls flouncing into the air, screeching out cries of hate.

Good wholesome fun for the family. >:D

Abso fuckin lutely. Though the truth is, I would like to know how that sick bastard rationalizes that away.

As to the rest, well, I already understand them. The Rodent though is a special case of whacked out that is fascinating in much the same way a particularly loathsome, yet large, arthropod might be.

383 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:46:05pm

'Hang them': Uganda paper publishes photos of gays

KAMPALA, Uganda -- The front-page newspaper story featured a list of Uganda's 100 "top" homosexuals, with a bright yellow banner across it that read: "Hang Them." Alongside their photos were the men's names and addresses.

In the days since it was published, at least four gay Ugandans on the list have been attacked and many others are in hiding, according to rights activist Julian Onziema. One person named in the story had stones thrown at his house by neighbors.

A lawmaker in this conservative African country introduced a bill a year ago that would have imposed the death penalty for some homosexual acts and life in prison for others. An international uproar ensued, and the bill was quietly shelved.

But gays in Uganda say they have faced a year of harassment and attacks since the bill's introduction.

The legislation was drawn up following a visit by leaders of U.S. conservative Christian ministries that promote therapy they say allows gays to become heterosexual.

...

The paper's managing editor, Giles Muhame, said the article was "in the public interest."

"We felt there was need for society to know that such characters exist amongst them. Some of them recruit young children into homosexuality, which is bad and need to be exposed," he said. "They take advantage of poverty to recruit Ugandans. In brief we did so because homosexuality is illegal, unacceptable and insults our traditional lifestyle.'

What an asshole.

384 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:46:19pm

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

For the most part it has worked out quite well in the Anglosphere.

one party government, yes - but not two party legislatures so much. It worked in the UK while there was a right/left divide, but when social issues become more prevalent a third party emerged to challenge the Torys on social issues and Labour on economic ones and pick up seats in parliament.

Australia has more than two parties, so does New Zealand as does Canada.

A two party system that tries to encompass 300million people does not make sense if countries a 10th the size have found it necessary to faction off.

385 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:46:31pm

re: #380 brookly red

Gallup has him well under 50%... there must be a whole lot of TPers...

Many of the "disapproves" are lefties. I might be in that pile, if asked. Still voting for him.

386 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:46:33pm

re: #378 researchok

I can hear the Tennessee Waltz in the background.

/

Oh no, I am quite thoroughly and completely taken. However, I have always imagined SFZ as a very attractive Jewish lady.

387 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:46:45pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

I still want to know how "that proud Latin," who thinks he's white feels about the GOP forming a fake grass roots organization to tell Latinos not to vote.

He is the sickest of self hating, vile freaks. An honest kapo.

I would love to see him try saying the shit he says to Latinos who care about themselves. I suppose he would get his "white" ass beaten pretty badly.

LVQ, you don't understand how Martinez is wired, he's in troll mode 24/7.
He is incapable of debate, he blurts out whatever dumb thing comes out of his atrophied brain.
If you want to piss him off, start calling by the nickname he received at Think Progress, twajie.

388 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:47:14pm

re: #381 HoosierHoops

Her Spirit is beautiful...And really that is all that matters

Of course. How are you Hoops?

389 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:47:37pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

Many of the "disapproves" are lefties. I might be in that pile, if asked. Still voting for him.

well we got a coupla years to sort that out.

390 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:47:57pm

re: #387 Reginald Perrin

LVQ, you don't understand how Martinez is wired, he's in troll mode 24/7.
He is incapable of debate, he blurts out whatever dumb thing comes out of his atrophied brain.
If you want to piss him off, start calling by the nickname he received at Think Progress, twajie.

Twajie? Do tell me the story....

What does it mean?

391 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:48:18pm

re: #386 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh no, I am quite thoroughly and completely taken. However, I have always imagined SFZ as a very attractive Jewish lady.

I know that.

But it's been over an hour since my Illuminati reference.

I didn't want you to feel forgotten.

392 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:48:33pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

Many of the "disapproves" are lefties. I might be in that pile, if asked. Still voting for him.

Your indecision will evaporate when its Palin v. Obama.

393 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:49:13pm

re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth

In brief we did so because homosexuality is illegal, unacceptable and insults our traditional lifestyle.


His traditional lifestyle is not apparently insulted by vigilantism and murder.

394 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:49:21pm

re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth

Mr. Muhame ought to be jailed for a year for incitement for publishing that. Calls for lynching are no joke, as anyone with a proper knowledge of American history knows.

395 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:50:24pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

Mr. Muhame ought to be jailed for a year for incitement for publishing that. Calls for lynching are no joke, as anyone with a proper knowledge of American history knows.

Free speech is a simple concept.

That's why it is always a complicated matter.

396 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:50:35pm

re: #392 Linden Arden

Your indecision will evaporate when its Palin v. Obama.

I've disapproved of most of the people I've voted for. This year in Alabama it was way worse.

397 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:51:25pm

re: #396 Decatur Deb

I've disapproved of most of the people I've voted for. This year in Alabama it was way worse.

Don't you wish we could just vote 'em off the island?

398 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:51:49pm

re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth

'Hang them': Uganda paper publishes photos of gays

What an asshole.

Really fucked up to say the least.

399 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:52:12pm

re: #395 researchok

Free speech is a simple concept.

That's why it is always a complicated matter.

You don't have the right to endanger innocent lives with your speech. DF is correct.

400 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:52:37pm

re: #396 Decatur Deb

I've disapproved of most of the people I've voted for. This year in Alabama it was way worse.

Gawd... I am in NY. I am thinking Mr. Rent is too Damn High might just pull it off. Based on the number of renters vs owners it could happen.

401 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:52:45pm

re: #382 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL!
*waves*
*steps on bug*

The Rodent though is a special case of whacked out that is fascinating in much the same way a particularly loathsome, yet large, arthropod might be.

402 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:00pm

re: #397 researchok

Don't you wish we could just vote 'em off the island?

Why isn't banishment in the Constitution?

403 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:15pm

C'mon Reg, please tell us the story of Twajie!

404 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:28pm

re: #401 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
*waves*
*steps on bug*

Hey hon!

405 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:30pm

Jerusalem resident attempts to ram Jimmy Carter's convoy

An Arab resident of East Jerusalem on Thursday evening attempted to drive his car into the convoy carrying former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, the Jerusalem Post reported.

Carter was travelling in Jerusalem neighborhood together with some other members of the Elders, a group of retired world leaders, who are currently in the Middle East on a second peace mission to the region.

The collision was prevented by timely and efficient actions of the security personnel.

"Security personnel drew their weapons on the driver and police forces were called to the scene," Jerusalem Post said.

The driver was detained, while the convoy continued on its way, the paper said.

406 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:38pm

re: #399 LudwigVanQuixote

You don't have the right to endanger innocent lives with your speech. DF is correct.

Oh, I agree. Incitement is real.

It is in the measuring details the problems lie.

For example, if a French union leader calls for protests he knows will be violent, do we censor him?

407 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:41pm

re: #395 researchok

Free speech is a simple concept.

That's why it is always a complicated matter.

Calling for lynching people and publishing their addresses isn't speech. If he had said homosexuality is immoral, yes it woudl be free speech but he is encouraging violence.

408 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:53:56pm

re: #380 brookly red

Gallup has him well under 50%... there must be a whole lot of TPers...

Whatever.
He's where Regan was...
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

409 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:54:21pm

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Why isn't banishment in the Constitution?

cause at the time this was the place people were banished to?

410 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:54:28pm

re: #396 Decatur Deb

I've disapproved of most of the people I've voted for. This year in Alabama it was way worse.

I loved my travel in Alabama. Played the Robert Trent Jones golf trail and drank whiskey with some great writers at the Pickwick Hotel at 5 Points - B'ham.

Did Huntsville too - and the Space Center with all those rockets laying in the backyard.

Felt good to be an American.

411 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:54:29pm

re: #406 researchok

Oh, I agree. Incitement is real.

It is in the measuring details the problems lie.

For example, if a French union leader calls for protests he knows will be violent, do we censor him?

OK... This is a little more cut and dried than that though.

412 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:54:46pm

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Why isn't banishment in the Constitution?

Because by the time that idea came up in Philadelphia, it was Miller Time.

413 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:55:03pm

re: #408 webevintage

why you got to live in the past webe, quit living in the past!!!!!!!!!!!!

things have self evidently never been as bad for a sitting president as they are now..........quit living in the past!


;-)

414 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:55:07pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

He fails because his hate prevents him from actually arguing. When he is intelligently opposed, all that happens is his hate spews forth. Effective trolling would require self control he lacks.

Twajie fails because he is so damn predictable. Push the right buttons and you can lead the dimwit into making racist statements. He has gone on record as saying that African Americans are inferior to him and then argued because he likes rap, he can't be a racist.

415 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:55:15pm

Twajie! Twajie! Twajie!

416 laZardo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:55:24pm

re: #396 Decatur Deb

I've disapproved of most of the people I've voted for. This year in Alabama it was way worse.

Thank God For Mississippi.

417 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:55:57pm

re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote

Twajie! Twajie! Twajie!

please tell me you were not standing in front of a mirror...

418 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:56:08pm

re: #416 laZardo

Thank God For Mississippi.

Strongest damn state in the union...........

419 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:56:17pm

re: #408 webevintage

Whatever.
He's where Regan was...
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

420 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:56:58pm

re: #395 researchok

Free speech is a simple concept.

That's why it is always a complicated matter.

When you publish a photos of people along with their names and addresses, along with a banner headline reading "Hang Them", you have passed entirely outside the bounds of protected speech.

421 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:57:01pm

re: #411 LudwigVanQuixote

OK... This is a little more cut and dried than that though.

Agreed.

That's why I'm not hard on hate speech.

As one German philosopher notes, 'Americans can rail against hate speech. For us, it is a whole other matter. We lived it.'

422 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:57:19pm

re: #417 brookly red

please tell me you were not standing in front of a mirror...

LOL! no. Good reference.

423 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:58:07pm

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

Jerusalem resident attempts to ram Jimmy Carter's convoy

Carter won't learn anything from that. He can be as sympathetic to the Palestinians as he wants, but to many of them he remains just an infidel.

424 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:58:17pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Calling for lynching people and publishing their addresses isn't speech. If he had said homosexuality is immoral, yes it woudl be free speech but he is encouraging violence.

Exactly. It is also a violation of any number of defamation laws.

425 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:58:25pm

It's funny to me to hear all of sudden because Obama's unpopular that polls matter now. When Bush made unpopular decisions, I always heard from the right "Well, he makes unpopular decisions. He's courageous." Yeah maybe Obama isn't Reagan but if anyone thought Reagan was going to win by the landslide he did in 1984 circa 1982, it was probably wishful thinking.

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:58:58pm

re: #380 brookly red

Gallup has him well under 50%... there must be a whole lot of TPers...

Yes, he's doing SOOO badly compared to, well normal presidents from both parties under comparable situations.

I know you really want to think your opinion of him is widely shared, but dude is doing about average.

427 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:59:04pm

re: #423 Dark_Falcon

Carter won't learn anything from that. He can be as sympathetic to the Palestinians as he wants, but to many of them he remains just an infidel.

An Arab resident of East Jerusalem on Thursday evening attempted to drive his car into the convoy carrying former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, the Jerusalem Post reporte

428 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:59:07pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.


yeah, i always preferred B movie actors over authors too.

429 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:59:34pm

Watching Chris Rock cuss out a girls ex for charity.

430 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 6:59:58pm

re: #346 Ojoe

In an NPR world there would be things you couldn't say.

NPR types chill me to the core.

Youtube Video

It doesn't matter which world you live in, there are things you can say which might cost you your job. Get real.

431 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:00:13pm

re: #425 HappyWarrior

It's funny to me to hear all of sudden because Obama's unpopular that polls matter now. When Bush made unpopular decisions, I always heard from the right "Well, he makes unpopular decisions. He's courageous." Yeah maybe Obama isn't Reagan but if anyone thought Reagan was going to win by the landslide he did in 1984 circa 1982, it was probably wishful thinking.

it all depends who the GOP put up in 12.................(please be sarah, please be sarah, please be sarah)

432 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:00:14pm

re: #413 wozzablog

why you got to live in the past webe, quit living in the past!!!

things have self evidently never been as bad for a sitting president as they are now...quit living in the past!

;-)

I'm clinging to my ways! Don't judge me!!!!
Class Warfare too!

433 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:00:29pm

re: #425 HappyWarrior

It's funny to me to hear all of sudden because Obama's unpopular that polls matter now. When Bush made unpopular decisions, I always heard from the right "Well, he makes unpopular decisions. He's courageous." Yeah maybe Obama isn't Reagan but if anyone thought Reagan was going to win by the landslide he did in 1984 circa 1982, it was probably wishful thinking.

Hell, I will be the first to call Obama courageous! Skippy, it take quite a pair to try what he is trying.

434 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:00:37pm

re: #404 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey hon!

*smooch*
Waves back!

435 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:01:05pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

Thank God.
If there is one thing we don't need it is another Ronald Regan.

436 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:01:17pm

re: #430 bratwurst

Reasonable, understandable statements expressing what many also feel should get you fired?

437 researchok  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:01:25pm

re: #421 researchok

"Not hard on hate speech laws"

438 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:01:33pm

re: #433 brookly red

Hell, I will be the first to call Obama courageous! Skippy, it take quite a pair to try what he is trying.

radical centrism and sticking to trying to get the legislation he stood on past.

mans a damn hero.

439 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:01:44pm

re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, he's doing SOOO badly compared to, well normal presidents from both parties under comparable situations.

I know you really want to think your opinion of him is widely shared, but dude is doing about average.

50% +/- is widely shared...

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:01:45pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

That's a different matter.

441 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:02:07pm

re: #438 wozzablog

radical centrism and sticking to trying to get the legislation he stood on past.

mans a damn hero.

Damn straight.

442 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:02:38pm

re: #429 Decatur Deb

Watching Chris Rock cuss out a girls ex for charity.

Did he do a good job of it?
///sorta

443 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:03:38pm

re: #429 Decatur Deb

Watching Chris Rock cuss out a girls ex for charity.

he has a magnificent carriage house around the corner... magnificent.

444 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:04:15pm

re: #442 Floral Giraffe

Did he do a good job of it?
///sorta

I don't think he'll be indicted. Nice lady bid $13,000 for autism education. Her ex broke up with her on Facebook

445 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:04:17pm

re: #431 wozzablog

it all depends who the GOP put up in 12...(please be sarah, please be sarah, please be sarah)

If it were my pick, I'd pick Chris Christie. He'd be the best choice to oppose Obama.

446 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:04:18pm

re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote

Twajie? Do tell me the story...

What does it mean?

One of the bloggers started to call him that and he reacted badly. Naturally when it oissed him off, the name sort of stuck. He had one other nick-name that stuck, Trajan75IQ. The Tampa Twit failed on such an epic scale that an name change was required. That is when he started over as Rodan.

The moron is great comedy material.

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:04:49pm

re: #439 brookly red

50% +/- is widely shared...

The numbers are absolutely ordinary for presidents, including a just a few who have gone on to a second term. If you want them to have some special meaning, rock on.

448 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:04:53pm

re: #414 Reginald Perrin

Twajie fails because he is so damn predictable. Push the right buttons and you can lead the dimwit into making racist statements. He has gone on record as saying that African Americans are inferior to him and then argued because he likes rap, he can't be a racist.

Why "twajie" as a nic?

449 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:04:56pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, Obama is educated, didn't fund Iranian Mullahs to transfer arms to an illegal war in Central America, doesn't have a cabinet that thinks katsup is a vegetable when it comes to poor people's sandwiches, and can stay awake for more than 10 hours a day.

He's also about 100 IQ points brighter, doesn't believe in wasting billions on things like SDI and cares about the poor.

450 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:05:08pm

re: #436 Ojoe

Reasonable, understandable statements expressing what many also feel should get you fired?

Look up "at-will employment"...and welcome to planet earth.

451 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:05:14pm

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

If it were my pick, I'd pick Chris Christie. He'd be the best choice to oppose Obama.

To oppose Obama or run the country?

452 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

That's a different matter.

By 180° .

453 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:06:04pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

He's not dead, for one thing....

454 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:06:32pm

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

If it were my pick, I'd pick Chris Christie. He'd be the best choice to oppose Obama.

I agree. He is very popular in the blue state of NJ.

455 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:06:45pm

re: #431 wozzablog

it all depends who the GOP put up in 12...(please be sarah, please be sarah, please be sarah)

I have to agree. I am not saying Obama's goign to win reelection but I love seeing people act like he's doomed because his polling is where it is and it's impossible for him to win re-election in a landslide. All the Reagan fans want to act like Reagan was always Reagan the mythical figure he's become and it's just not true. It's as annoying as my fellow liberals who want to make JFK's presidency in to a period where all was right with liberalism.

456 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:06:59pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

The numbers are absolutely ordinary for presidents, including a just a few who have gone on to a second term. If you want them to have some special meaning, rock on.

I just used them to say there was no motive to impeach him... and you know that, no?

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:07:03pm

re: #452 NJDhockeyfan

By 180° .

Look, all I'm saying is that saying that Obama or his presidency is 'unpopular' is basically wishful thinking at this point.

458 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:07:33pm

re: #453 Surabaya Stew

He's not dead, for one thing...


He has also never made a single movie with a chimp...as far as we know, anyway.

459 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:07:35pm

re: #439 brookly red

50% +/- is widely shared...

at this point in ronald reagan's presidency, he was 2-4 points below where barack is now in the gallup rating, and headed toward a 35% approval rating at the end of january 1983

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:07:39pm

re: #455 HappyWarrior

I have to agree. I am not saying Obama's goign to win reelection but I love seeing people act like he's doomed because his polling is where it is and it's impossible for him to win re-election in a landslide. All the Reagan fans want to act like Reagan was always Reagan the mythical figure he's become and it's just not true. It's as annoying as my fellow liberals who want to make JFK's presidency in to a period where all was right with liberalism.

Dunno if he gets reelection, but he's hanging in there.

461 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:07:43pm

re: #457 SanFranciscoZionist

Look, all I'm saying is that saying that Obama or his presidency is 'unpopular' is basically wishful thinking at this point.

Just wait until he is as "popular" as Bush was during his second term.

462 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:07:47pm

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

If it were my pick, I'd pick Chris Christie. He'd be the best choice to oppose Obama.

I have to imagine he'll want to finish his term. I see him more as a 2016 candidate. I don't mind him for a Republican this said. Probably a little too socially conservative for my personal liking but he's a step above Palin, Huckabee, Newt, Pawlently, and others.

463 garhighway  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:08:03pm

Greetings from 39000 feet over Iowa.

Here's a useful predictor of your midterm vote:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

464 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:08:15pm

re: #449 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, Obama is educated, didn't fund Iranian Mullahs to transfer arms to an illegal war in Central America, doesn't have a cabinet that thinks katsup is a vegetable when it comes to poor people's sandwiches, and can stay awake for more than 10 hours a day.

He's also about 100 IQ points brighter, doesn't believe in wasting billions on things like SDI and cares about the poor.

that is why he made so many of them...

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:08:21pm

re: #456 brookly red

I just used them to say there was no motive to impeach him... and you know that, no?

I disagree. I think there is a desire to impeach, and I think that his numbers are indeed threatening.

But you know that, no?

466 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:08:32pm

re: #436 Ojoe

Reasonable, understandable statements expressing what many also feel should get you fired?

I thought he should have been fired for his Michelle Obama remark....

467 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #463 garhighway

Greetings from 39000 feet over Iowa.

Daves not here, man

468 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:09:10pm

re: #459 engineer dog

at this point in ronald reagan's presidency, he was 2-4 points below where barack is now in the gallup rating, and headed toward a 35% approval rating at the end of january 1983

He got betta.

Then you get poor George W., who pretty much ran the whole range in his eight years.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:09:36pm

re: #464 brookly red

that is why he made so many of them...

What nonsense.

470 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:09:38pm

re: #446 Reginald Perrin

One of the bloggers started to call him that and he reacted badly. Naturally when it oissed him off, the name sort of stuck. He had one other nick-name that stuck, Trajan75IQ. The Tampa Twit failed on such an epic scale that an name change was required. That is when he started over as Rodan.

The moron is great comedy material.

So he failed as a Roman emperor and became a Japanese B-movie, giant, flying monster who always gets his ass kicked by Godzilla? Poor slob has some serious manhood issues. Well they all do, but that is just tragic.

No wonder they have conversations over there about how they should call 5 1/2 inches, 14 cm ;)

I like Twajie. It fits. It has a certain Arabic ring to it - and we know how much he hates having his Arabic ancestry pointed out to him. He really is the ultimate in self hating douchebags.

471 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:09:42pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno if he gets reelection, but he's hanging in there.

Yeah, all I mean is to completely dismiss him because of his polls is ridiculous. AS you and otehrs have pointed out, there are many other guys who became two termers who were right where he is now. Doesn't mean the end result will be the same but to completely dismiss it is nonsense.

472 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:09:57pm

re: #451 wozzablog

To oppose Obama or run the country?

Both. He's not a loon, he makes his points clearly and without gaffes, and he has sound principals on how government should work. That the ideal Republican candidate, temperamentally at least.

473 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:10:01pm

re: #464 brookly red

that is why he made so many of them...

huh?

474 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:10:28pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

Reagan was no Obama.

But I give credit when due - Reagan was a master statesman with Gorby. Any Republican today would have screwed everything up by being hostile to 'Glasnost'.

475 BenghaziHoops  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:10:34pm

The Giants are playing to go to the World Series tonight..Winston and I are both on our knees praying to the baseball gods tonight..
woof woof...
You are rooting for the Giants right Winston?
Woof
SF Giants?
Woof woof
Wanna doggie treat?
Woof woof!
Are you fucking with me Winston?
Woof woof!
You like Philly don't you?
Woof woof!
Winston?
Woof?
No treats unless the Giants Win!
Woof Woof
Good boy!
//There are shelters in Philly Winston..
//Woof?

476 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:10:51pm

re: #473 webevintage

The Obama recession that started in 2007. It's been on all the blogs,

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:11:11pm

re: #471 HappyWarrior

Yeah, all I mean is to completely dismiss him because of his polls is ridiculous. AS you and otehrs have pointed out, there are many other guys who became two termers who were right where he is now. Doesn't mean the end result will be the same but to completely dismiss it is nonsense.

Depends how the midterms go, depends how the economy goes, depends how the new Republican class does, depends on who the GOP finally runs.

ALways fun to watch.

478 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:11:12pm

What a God Bless America and outfit in San fran!!!!!

479 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:11:23pm

re: #470 LudwigVanQuixote

So he failed as a Roman emperor and became a Japanese B-movie, giant, flying monster who always gets his ass kicked by Godzilla? Poor slob has some serious manhood issues. Well they all do, but that is just tragic.

No wonder they have conversations over there about how they should call 5 1/2 inches, 14 cm ;)

I like Twajie. It fits. It has a certain Arabic ring to it - and we know how much he hates having his Arabic ancestry pointed out to him. He really is the ultimate in self hating douchebags.

ROTFLMAO!

480 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:11:58pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

The Giants are playing to go to the World Series tonight..Winston and I are both on our knees praying to the baseball gods tonight..
woof woof...
You are rooting for the Giants right Winston?
Woof
SF Giants?
Woof woof
Wanna doggie treat?
Woof woof!
Are you fucking with me Winston?
Woof woof!
You like Philly don't you?
Woof woof!
Winston?
Woof?
No treats unless the Giants Win!
Woof Woof
Good boy!
//There are shelters in Philly Winston..
//Woof?

wow... you sound just like my congressman.

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:12:49pm

re: #480 brookly red

wow... you sound just like my congressman.

He does, or the dog does?

482 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:12:54pm

re: #443 brookly red

he has a magnificent carriage house around the corner... magnificent.

Can you get me an autograph??/

483 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:13:08pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

Both. He's not a loon, he makes his points clearly and without gaffes, and he has sound principals on how government should work. That the ideal Republican candidate, temperamentally at least.

I haven't seen enough of the guy other than he didn't have to beat a stellar democratic effort against him. Will look him up when i have time.

My money is on a sane GOP candidate just about squeaking through - but with a teabagging true believer/defender of the faith running a strong third party candidacy.

484 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:13:59pm

re: #481 SanFranciscoZionist

He does, or the dog does?

don't make me choose...

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:15:12pm

re: #483 wozzablog

I haven't seen enough of the guy other than he didn't have to beat a stellar democratic effort against him. Will look him up when i have time.

My money is on a sane GOP candidate just about squeaking through - but with a teabagging true believer/defender of the faith running a strong third party candidacy.

The third-party possibility is going to be very interesting, although I don't see a way the People of Tea running a third-party campaign doesn't simply gut the Republican candidate. Worse than Nader.

486 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:15:15pm

re: #463 garhighway

Greetings from 39000 feet over Iowa.

Here's a useful predictor of your midterm vote:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I'll click on HuffPo when I feel the need to read some nasty anti-Semitic & racist comments.

487 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:16:10pm

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

If it were my pick, I'd pick Chris Christie. He'd be the best choice to oppose Obama.


I think he is already running.
He was whining to Brian Williams about how Obama had not been bipartisan at all to the poor Republicans.
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

488 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:16:19pm

There will be a different dynamic by the 2012 show. For one thing the old GOP is more scared of the TP than are the Dems. They will quietly shut off the money taps as soon as the dust settles this Nov.

489 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:16:26pm

re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote

Twajie? Do tell me the story...

What does it mean?

To be honest, this subject may be more appropriate to discuss at LGF pages.

490 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:17:25pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

The third-party possibility is going to be very interesting, although I don't see a way the People of Tea running a third-party campaign doesn't simply gut the Republican candidate. Worse than Nader.

If the GOP candidate is half way to the center they will stop caring about electoral math and explode in a self righteous hategasm.

491 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:18:07pm

re: #489 Reginald Perrin

To be honest, this subject may be more appropriate to discuss at LGF pages.

Then for the love of G-d make the page! C'mon Reg! Please!

492 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:18:30pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

The third-party possibility is going to be very interesting, although I don't see a way the People of Tea running a third-party campaign doesn't simply gut the Republican candidate. Worse than Nader.

If they don't watch out the Republicans will be the 3rd party...

493 webevintage  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:18:50pm

re: #490 wozzablog

If the GOP candidate is half way to the center they will stop caring about electoral math and explode in a self righteous hategasm.

Hategasm.
That is a great word.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:18:51pm

re: #490 wozzablog

If the GOP candidate is half way to the center they will stop caring about electoral math and explode in a self righteous hategasm.

Depends if they keep up this pace for that long.

495 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:19:15pm

re: #493 webevintage

Hategasm.
That is a great word.

My charge per use is minimal.

496 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:19:20pm

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

The third-party possibility is going to be very interesting, although I don't see a way the People of Tea running a third-party campaign doesn't simply gut the Republican candidate. Worse than Nader.

personally, i think the bag party is well along in its historical mission of splitting the republican party in two and therefore rendering it unable to win a presidential election

the thing is i (and others) have been predicting a split in the republican party for years, and to finally see it actually happen is uncanny

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:19:21pm

re: #492 brookly red

If they don't watch out the Republicans will be the 3rd party...

I don't see the Tea Party having legs like that.

498 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:19:34pm

re: #487 webevintage

I think he is already running.
He was whining to Brian Williams about how Obama had not been bipartisan at all to the poor Republicans.
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]


Eh, beats the hell out of hte usual he's a Marxist nonsense. Though it does annoy me that he acts like Obama's been super partisan and his own party has been reasonable and bipartisan. I know he can't really do that though.

499 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:19:51pm

re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist

Depends if they keep up this pace for that long.

They have enough hate to keep them warm through two more winters.

500 laZardo  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:20:06pm

Brb class.

501 garhighway  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:20:19pm

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't see the Tea Party having legs like that.

Depends on what the money decides.

502 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:21:08pm

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither do I. They are having a good run right now but it won't last very long. They have no real leaders.

503 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:21:29pm

re: #499 wozzablog

They have enough hate to keep them warm through two more winters.

It will be interesting to see their impact on the GOP presidential primaries.

504 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:21:51pm

re: #501 garhighway

Depends on what the money decides.

freedomworks, the kochs and mellon-scaife?. tough calls, but if they make more money off an Obama second term through increased merchandising/publishing deals then they will back the losing horse.

Its whats capitalism is all about.

505 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:22:28pm

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't see the Tea Party having legs like that.

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't see the Tea Party having legs like that.

I do.

506 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:22:33pm

re: #503 Decatur Deb

It will be interesting to see their impact on the GOP presidential primaries.

Well, true. You could end up with a "restore sanity" GOP write in candidate for the general if a teabagger gets the main nomination.

507 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:22:44pm

re: #489 Reginald Perrin

To be honest, this subject may be more appropriate to discuss at LGF pages.

Your fan club is waiting...
Sir!

508 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:22:49pm

re: #487 webevintage

I think he is already running.
He was whining to Brian Williams about how Obama had not been bipartisan at all to the poor Republicans.
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Eh. Bipartisianship is dead at the national level, at least for now. The aisle has become a dead zone. Anyone attempting to reach across it from the Republican side is immediate fired on as a RINO. The Dems are somewhat better, but their base is still quite willing to lower the boom on perceived DINOs.

509 garhighway  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:24:11pm

re: #504 wozzablog

freedomworks, the kochs and mellon-scaife?. tough calls, but if they make more money off an Obama second term through increased merchandising/publishing deals then they will back the losing horse.

Its whats capitalism is all about.

No, the money is about winning. They can buy the TPs organization and leadership. If they think the TP has a better shot than establishment republicans, then you'll see a TP candidate with a $200M war chest and a mountain of professional help.

510 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:25:18pm

re: #506 wozzablog

Write-in is just really hard here. Especially for guys like Hickenlooper.

511 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:25:32pm

re: #505 brookly red

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

I do.

So, how can that not essentially destroy the Republicans? The Tea Party does NOT have enough support to win a national election standing alone. If they live to 2012 and run their own candidate against a 'RINO', how could that NOT lead to a solid Democratic victory?

If they live long enough, they're gonna do some bad damage to the party.

512 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:27:11pm

It will be interesting to see how TP candidates act once they are elected. Will they keep up the anti government rhetoric or will they moderate as they become part of the establishment they dread. It's a lot easier to act like Obama is a sinsiter Marxist at your rallies than to actually come in contact with the guy as a member of the house of represenatives. To me a lot of these candidates are running on being rhetoric and shallow slogans.

513 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:27:31pm

re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote

Then for the love of G-d make the page! C'mon Reg! Please!

As an added incentive, "Dorkus" is online right now at the Stalker Blog.

514 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:27:49pm

Oh no. It's snowing.....

515 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:27:51pm

can i break it down like this?

Democrats in 2004 - Thought the election was in the bag. Campaigned against bush as the antichrist, they were full of hate and angry. They Lost.

The GOP has it's choice to make in '12. The lessons of History are there if they want to hear.

516 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:29:03pm

re: #496 engineer dog

personally, i think the bag party is well along in its historical mission of splitting the republican party in two and therefore rendering it unable to win a presidential election

the thing is i (and others) have been predicting a split in the republican party for years, and to finally see it actually happen is uncanny

I wish. It'd be nice to see a rational conservative party that forms it's planks on reason rather than pulpit pounding dogma.

517 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:29:45pm

re: #512 HappyWarrior

It will be interesting to see how TP candidates act once they are elected. Will they keep up the anti government rhetoric or will they moderate as they become part of the establishment they dread. It's a lot easier to act like Obama is a sinsiter Marxist at your rallies than to actually come in contact with the guy as a member of the house of represenatives. To me a lot of these candidates are running on being rhetoric and shallow slogans.

Ask the Nevada GOP state legislators how Sharron Angle rolled.

518 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:29:52pm

re: #515 wozzablog

can i break it down like this?

Democrats in 2004 - Thought the election was in the bag. Campaigned against bush as the antichrist, they were full of hate and angry. They Lost.

The GOP has it's choice to make in '12. The lessons of History are there if they want to hear.

They need to give people a reason to vote for their candidate rather than against Obama. I was one of the few people who actually campaigned for Kerry as opposed to campainging against Bush. If that makes any sense. Obama I think did well in 2008 because he had people out there who actually supported him rather than despised his opponent. Sure, I imagine there were some who were energized against McCain but there was much more anthuaisum for Obama than Kerry or Gore 4 and 8 years earlier.

519 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:30:01pm

re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote

Then for the love of G-d make the page! C'mon Reg! Please!

Patience is a virtue, when the time is right, the page will be posted.
I don't want to stir up the recently exiled Think Progress trolls. The last thing Charles needs are those intellectual midgets riled up about something I posted. You don't feed serial stalker trolls like Martinez, except for when you bait the trap.
Off the blog is fine however, I will try to put together something on the weekend.

520 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:30:44pm

re: #511 SanFranciscoZionist

So, how can that not essentially destroy the Republicans? The Tea Party does NOT have enough support to win a national election standing alone. If they live to 2012 and run their own candidate against a 'RINO', how could that NOT lead to a solid Democratic victory?

If they live long enough, they're gonna do some bad damage to the party.

it will destroy the republicans, hence the 3rd party.

521 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:32:06pm

re: #517 Decatur Deb

Ask the Nevada GOP state legislators how Sharron Angle rolled.

Ask Harry Reid.

522 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:32:57pm

re: #514 Jadespring

Oh no. It's snowing...

Eek! Snow. Hope it doesn't snow in Denver. This place is already dead. And I'm not talking about entertainment.

523 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:33:12pm

re: #300 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh I am sure they will try to insure nothing at all gets done by attempting to impeach the president on whatever trumped up grounds they can find.

It worked against Clinton. They are sure to try again.

By which you mean they won't. Republicans aren't completely witless in a tactical sense. There won't be any impeachment. There will be an effort to ameliorate and contain the damage the Obamacare legislation has written into it. There will perhaps be an effort to contain the spending. But maybe, just an effort to divert some of it to Republican districts.

We've had a dysfunctional government for quite a while. And I don't mean just since Obama took office. That much is sure to remain unchanged.

Sigh.

524 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:33:22pm

re: #518 HappyWarrior

They need to give people a reason to vote for their candidate rather than against Obama. I was one of the few people who actually campaigned for Kerry as opposed to campainging against Bush. If that makes any sense. Obama I think did well in 2008 because he had people out there who actually supported him rather than despised his opponent. Sure, I imagine there were some who were energized against McCain but there was much more anthuaisum for Obama than Kerry or Gore 4 and 8 years earlier.

MCcain, i would have to check the figures, would have had very low personal negatives going into that election for people to vote against him on. When Palin got in the race his own negatives increased (impaired judgement mostly) - but his personal negatives were low.

Palin/Angle/O'Donnell/generic teabaggers seem to have fairly high personal negatives unless the roll back to the center like Scott Brown.

525 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:34:50pm

Hmm. Looked at the Portland forecast.

Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain...

526 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:35:01pm

re: #522 Gus 802

Eek! Snow. Hope it doesn't snow in Denver. This place is already dead. And I'm not talking about entertainment.

Well the good thing is that I don't think it's going to stick. It's really wet. It's supposed to warm up again tomorrow. I hope so. I don't mind winter in general. I'm just not quite ready for it yet.

527 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:36:11pm

re: #525 Gus 802

Hmm. Looked at the Portland forecast.

Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain...

Send some over here. It's a bit dusty.

528 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:36:13pm

re: #523 lostlakehiker

There will be an effort to ameliorate and contain the damage the Obamacare legislation has written into it.

Okay, now that's funny.

The current GOP is bereft of ideas. It has none.

How exactly are they going to 'contain' the 'damage' of 'Obamacare'?

529 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:37:14pm

re: #526 Jadespring

Well the good thing is that I don't think it's going to stick. It's really wet. It's supposed to warm up again tomorrow. I hope so. I don't mind winter in general. I'm just not quite ready for it yet.

Now that you mention it. I can't believe it's already been a year already. Last November was pretty cold around here.

530 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:37:32pm

re: #528 Obdicut

Okay, now that's funny.

The current GOP is bereft of ideas. It has none.

How exactly are they going to 'contain' the 'damage' of 'Obamacare'?

easy, just don't fund it...

531 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:37:33pm

M16-Toting Fan Got Inside Michigan Game

A National Guardsman toting two unloaded M16 assault rifles told security at Michigan Stadium that he was part of the official honor guard and was allowed onto the field during the Michigan-Michigan State football game, authorities said Thursday.

Before he went into the Big House, where more than 113,000 people had gathered on Oct. 9, a police officer ensured his weapons were empty and double-checked that he did not have any ammunition on him, said Diane Brown, a spokeswoman for the university's department of public safety.

A member of the color guard reported the impostor, who was escorted out by police at 4:15 p.m., about 45 minutes after kickoff.

532 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:37:54pm

re: #527 NJDhockeyfan

Send some over here. It's a bit dusty.

We never get rain. Just showers.

533 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:38:06pm

re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote

You have mail.
In that old account.
Sir.

534 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:38:10pm

re: #525 Gus 802

Hmm. Looked at the Portland forecast.

Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain...

A bit too late for the recent book burning event, apparently.

535 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:39:17pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

A bit too late for the recent book burning event, apparently.

Oh. Guess Renn fair season is over.

/

536 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:39:19pm

re: #528 Obdicut

Okay, now that's funny.

The current GOP is bereft of ideas. It has none.

How exactly are they going to 'contain' the 'damage' of 'Obamacare'?

Lawsuits about the 10th amendment, bicthing about tort reform and bastardising the exchanges at state level (which will in turn become part of a federal suit against the tampering).

It was laid out on Fox with Megyn Kelly and a shill physician from the AEI. i shit you not.

537 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:39:21pm

re: #530 brookly red

easy, just don't fund it...

Don't fund what?

538 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:39:56pm

re: #532 Gus 802

We never get rain. Just showers.

Showers bring flowers!
*waves* to Gus!
Hope you're doing well?

539 enigma3535  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:40:17pm

Flying can make one really anxious.

Like crashing, owing to:

Mechanical problems

Really bad weather

Pilot error

Not mention that planes are occasionally hijacked & either then crash, are blown up or passengers are accidently shot being rescued by well-meaning “specialists”.

Never mind the risks of not taking off for hours, having a flight cancelled, losing one’s luggage for days [or, forever], etc

Then there are the people one flies with; I fly a lot and figured out a long time ago that terrorists have never dressed the part; just saying. The people that cause me angst while flying fall into the categories of: why didn’t you take a shower today; the armrest is the extent of your zone of occupation; please stop talking; etc

Having opinions about all these things are all of our rights. Free speech is what it is; a right

As a journalist for a reputable news organization, one needs to understand that one is; well; employed as a “journalist”

When a “journalist” employed by a reputable news organization writes or says something that is sacrosanct, said journalist typically gets fired
Given Fox’s record regarding the treatment of journalists that step over the line regarding what a “journalist” can get away with in prose and text, Juan appears to have landed where he belongs

The fact that after he accepted an upgrade in pay and had follow on statements that his firing is somehow “a chilling assault on free speech", means, in this one’s estimation, that he has fully gone over to the dark side: this one hopes that the pay raise helps ease his ability to sleep at night: assuming that he has a conscience

540 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:40:18pm

re: #537 Obdicut

Don't fund what?

read yer own post...

541 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:40:48pm

re: #525 Gus 802

Hmm. Looked at the Portland forecast.

Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain...

Yup. If you still have summer veg in the ground it's time to pull them up.

542 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:41:21pm

re: #540 brookly red

read yer own post...

I did. What are they not going to fund?

543 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:41:43pm

re: #525 Gus 802

Hmm. Looked at the Portland forecast.

Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain...

Kinda standard for Portland...

544 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:41:49pm

re: #538 Floral Giraffe

Showers bring flowers!
*waves* to Gus!
Hope you're doing well?

Mumble, grumble, fret... I'm doing OK I guess. Not really but I'm trying to keep my chin up.

How's things with you FG?

545 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:42:29pm

re: #542 Obdicut

I did. What are they not going to fund?

How exactly are they going to 'contain' the 'damage' of 'Obamacare'?

uhhh Obamacre?

546 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:43:28pm

mmmmm talking points. nom nom nom nom.

547 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:43:54pm

re: #513 Dark_Falcon

As an added incentive, "Dorkus" is online right now at the Stalker Blog.

He is? In that case.

Juan Peron was the greatest man that ever lived. Viva Peron!

/

548 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:44:30pm

g'night kids.

play nice.

549 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:45:12pm

re: #545 brookly red

How exactly are they going to 'contain' the 'damage' of 'Obamacare'?

uhhh Obamacre?

What do you think "obamacare" is, Brookly?

550 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:45:13pm

Hey DF, you said Dorkus was reading right now? OK...

Well be fair, to Rodent, he isn't very bright, he's about as well educated as my pet terrier (and a lot less nice, or well trained) and he's rarely sober.

I know you're reading Ricky. How does it feel to know that the GOP whom you sell out your people to, doesn't think you are so white? It doesn't matter how much you scream about how other Latinos, the "bad" Latinos, were "tainted" with Indian blood, but you, you are somehow white - you sick fuck. As if being white makes anyone better.

Like kapos of all stripes and in all ages, the ones you serve see you as little more than a pet. In this case your GOP friends see you as a brown pet.

Hell, go to Arizona and see how the cops treat you there, you drunk bastard.

It's amusing that Rodent AKA Trajan failed as a Roman emperor and became a Japanese B-movie, giant, flying monster who always gets his ass kicked by Godzilla? Poor slob has some serious manhood issues. Well they all do, but that is just tragic.

No wonder they have conversations over there about how they should call 5 1/2 inches, 14 cm ;)

I like Twajie. It fits. It has a certain Arabic ring to it - and we know how much he hates having his Arabic ancestry pointed out to him. He really is the ultimate in self hating douchebags

551 simoom  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:45:37pm

I'm fascinated by the hundreds of "long-time listener, frequent member station contributer" commenters who have signed up today at NPR.org to post on all the Juan Williams stories about how they'll never donate again, never listen to NPR again and how they'll try and get the government to defund them... and at the same time ranting about George Soros, NPR being "leftist" or "communist", and how totally right Juan's analysis of U.S. Muslims was. Supposedly, they're also getting flooded with phone calls from these folks.

It must be irritating to be a volunteer pledge drive worker (it's pledge week) who has to listen to this BS :P.

552 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:46:09pm

re: #549 Obdicut

What do you think "obamacare" is, Brookly?

what are you doing?

553 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:47:31pm

re: #550 LudwigVanQuixote

Is that measurement erect?

lol

/

554 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:47:45pm

re: #552 brookly red

what are you doing?

I'm asking you what you think the GOP is going to not fund. you've responded that they won't fund Obamacare. Now I'm asking you what you think Obamacare actually is.

You don't appear to be able to answer.

555 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:48:58pm

re: #554 Obdicut

I'm asking you what you think the GOP is going to not fund. you've responded that they won't fund Obamacare. Now I'm asking you what you think Obamacare actually is.

You don't appear to be able to answer.

oh gawd... we have to read it to see whats in it. so what do you think it is?

556 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:50:11pm

re: #551 simoom


It must be irritating to be a volunteer pledge drive worker (it's pledge week) who has to listen to this BS :P.

Worker: Hello sir/ma'am, what amount will you be donating today?

Crazed person: Nothing, I ----

Worker: Have a good day, thanks for calling.

557 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:50:42pm

re: #555 brookly red

Don't obfuscate. Answer Obdicut's question, please.

558 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:50:57pm

re: #544 Gus 802

Mumble, grumble, fret... I'm doing OK I guess. Not really but I'm trying to keep my chin up.

How's things with you FG?

All is well.
Feeding the frenzy that is Ludwig, LOVE that man!
Watching the rest of LGF, and getting by!

Hope you are seeing the future in a positive way!

559 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:51:07pm

re: #519 Reginald Perrin

Patience is a virtue, when the time is right, the page will be posted.
I don't want to stir up the recently exiled Think Progress trolls. The last thing Charles needs are those intellectual midgets riled up about something I posted. You don't feed serial stalker trolls like Martinez, except for when you bait the trap.
Off the blog is fine however, I will try to put together something on the weekend.

I personally think Charles would not mind seeing those freaks get some of the "love" they deserve.

We should also take time to discuss Savage, who is an abusive, woman hating bastard. He threatened violence against his own mother and writes rape fantasies about women he doesn't like. This is of course as always projection for his many failures, both military and civilian. Who leaves the armed forces as only a corporal after serving more than four years? He went on to become an out of work truck driver.

Of course this is why Rhonda left him.

This is also why his present woman will eventually realize that she is not going to repair the damage done by her abusive father by being with him. Men like him don't get better. They only ever project their anger and hatred on you. After all, it is always someone else's fault that they are such failures.

560 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:51:25pm

re: #553 Gus 802

Is that measurement erect?

lol

/

Can they get erect?

561 APox  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:51:28pm

re: #554 Obdicut

Now I'm asking you what you think Obamacare actually is.

You don't appear to be able to answer.

Socialism, obviously.

/

562 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:51:36pm

re: #555 brookly red

oh gawd... we have to read it to see whats in it. so what do you think it is?

I thought they only had to vote on it first to see what's in it.

563 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:51:52pm

re: #557 Dark_Falcon

Don't obfuscate. Answer Obdicut's question, please.

What do I think it is? OK I think it is nationalized healthcare... show me I am wrong.

564 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:52:30pm

re: #558 Floral Giraffe

All is well.
Feeding the frenzy that is Ludwig, LOVE that man!
Watching the rest of LGF, and getting by!

Hope you are seeing the future in a positive way!

I'm trying!

565 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:52:33pm

re: #547 Gus 802

He is? In that case.

Juan Peron was the greatest man that ever lived. Viva Peron!

/

Really want to wind the silly bugger up, just mention Salvador Allende.
He has a fetish for General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte.

Twajie likes genocide a lot.

566 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:53:30pm

re: #561 APox

Socialism, obviously.

/

Obvious snark is obvious(ly true).

567 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:54:11pm

re: #562 NJDhockeyfan

I thought they only had to vote on it first to see what's in it.

I just don't get it, they ask a question, you give em an answer & then the games start...

568 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:54:37pm

re: #535 Gus 802

Oh. Guess Renn fair season is over.

/

So...

We're going from corsets so overburdened that the U.N. should probably get involved, to...

Pasty faced, middle aged folks with questionable dental implants?

:awesome:

The only thing I'm dressing up this season is a gawt-damned turkey.

569 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:54:43pm

re: #565 Reginald Perrin

He has a fetish for General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte.

Pinochet was a piece of shit.

And didn't the niece of Salvador Allende attend the miners rescue in some kind of official role, as a senator perhaps? (if my memory serves correctly...)

570 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:55:13pm

re: #560 LudwigVanQuixote

Can they get erect?

I do, very much doubt, that the stalkers can get erect.
Maybe with a gentle whipping?
Viagra is a good prescription for them.
And, it won't last any 4 hours!
LOL!

571 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:55:14pm

re: #557 Dark_Falcon

Don't obfuscate. Answer Obdicut's question, please.

/who died and left you hall monitor?

572 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:55:34pm

re: #567 brookly red

I just don't get it, they ask a question, you give em an answer & then the games start...

Don't mind them, they are just upset about the walloping that is going to happen in 12 days. They are just blowing off steam.

573 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #555 brookly red

oh gawd... we have to read it to see whats in it. so what do you think it is?

Um, you realize you can read it if you want, right? It passed a long time ago.

There are three major costs in the bill:

First, the expansion of medicaid to people who are at up to 133% of the poverty level.

Second, the closing of the Medicare 'donut hole' on prescription drug coverage.

Third, the subsidies for health insurance.

Of course, each of these measures also bring significant cost savings with them.

So which of these will the GOP refuse to fund? The senior's drugs? The health care for the poor? Or the subsidies?

574 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:56:17pm

re: #563 brookly red

What do I think it is? OK I think it is nationalized healthcare... show me I am wrong.

It is not nationalized health care. It is not even nationalized health insurance.

575 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:56:30pm

re: #568 Slumbering Behemoth

So...

We're going from corsets so overburdened that the U.N. should probably get involved, to...

Pasty faced, middle aged folks with questionable dental implants?

:awesome:

The only thing I'm dressing up this season is a gawt-damned turkey.

this time remember to take the garters off before you cook it...

576 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:56:46pm

re: #574 Obdicut

It is not nationalized health care. It is not even nationalized health insurance.

says you

577 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:57:08pm

re: #565 Reginald Perrin

Really want to wind the silly bugger up, just mention Salvador Allende.
He has a fetish for General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte.

Twajie likes genocide a lot.

Twajie surely does like his genocide and totalitarianism. All those rants about Pinochet, Pinochet for fuck sake being a hero. All that love he has for genocidal Serbian war criminals.

All that hate he has for his own people who somehow aren't as "white" as he is.

Rodent is one twisted little bitch.

578 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:57:12pm

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, war criminal!

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, wanted for crimes against humanity!

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte: tax evader, money launderer, arm dealer, and all around criminal and full time chickenhawk!

579 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:57:15pm

re: #565 Reginald Perrin

Really want to wind the silly bugger up, just mention Salvador Allende.
He has a fetish for General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte.

Twajie likes genocide a lot.

Actually, if you want to use the genocide angle you have to mention his support support for the Serbs. Pinochet did have many people killed, but his reasons were entirely political. Ethnicity didn't enter into it. That does, however, still leave him liable to the charge of mass murder.

580 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:57:30pm

re: #565 Reginald Perrin

Really want to wind the silly bugger up, just mention Salvador Allende.
He has a fetish for General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte.

Twajie likes genocide a lot.

How's that? ;)

581 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:57:51pm

The Phillys are giving to the Giants in the 9th.

582 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:57:56pm

re: #570 Floral Giraffe

I do, very much doubt, that the stalkers can get erect.
Maybe with a gentle whipping?
Viagra is a good prescription for them.
And, it won't last any 4 hours!
LOL!

Now now, you are putting the cart before the horse dear, for viagra to have meaning, they need someone to do it with...

583 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:58:21pm

re: #573 Obdicut


So which of these will the GOP refuse to fund? The senior's drugs? The health care for the poor? Or the subsidies?

oooo oooo ooooo pick me, pick me, i know - they should repal that bit where it says kids can stay on their parents plans until they are 27.

thats just horrible. it cuts me to the core that the legislature could pass something that so defiles the American sensibility...........

584 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:58:27pm

re: #576 brookly red

Says reality, Brookly.

Nationalized health care would mean that doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals were now all government employees, as they are in Britain in the NHS.

Nationalized health insurance would mean a single-payer system like they have in Canada.

What HCR provided for was neither. You can look up what it actually was, if you want to actually be informed on the issue.

585 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:58:28pm

re: #572 NJDhockeyfan

Don't mind them, they are just upset about the walloping that is going to happen in 12 days. They are just blowing off steam.

its scary...

586 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:58:45pm

re: #576 brookly red

says you

says the fucking Bill.

587 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:58:46pm

re: #576 brookly red

Now you're just back-biting. If you want to argue, make a point.

588 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:58:54pm

re: #578 Gus 802

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, war criminal!

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, wanted for crimes against humanity!

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte: tax evader, money launderer, arm dealer, and all around criminal and full time chickenhawk!

Also, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

589 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:59:09pm

re: #583 wozzablog

Ah, but that one doesn't have an actual cost, so it couldn't be defunded. Brookly said the GOP would simply not fund Obamacare; that part isn't vulnerable to not being funded.

590 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:59:13pm

re: #578 Gus 802

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, war criminal!

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, wanted for crimes against humanity!

Generalissimo Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte: tax evader, money launderer, arm dealer, and all around criminal and full time chickenhawk!

Well on the full time totalitarian chicken hawk aspect, Rodent is like his hero. Come to think of it, so are most baggers.

591 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:59:20pm

re: #575 brookly red

this time remember to take the garters off before you cook it...

Damnit! I must remember to turn off my web cam during the holidays.

592 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:59:45pm

re: #583 wozzablog

ooo ooo ooo pick me, pick me, i know - they should repal that bit where it says kids can stay on their parents plans until they are 27.

thats just horrible. it cuts me to the core that the legislature could pass something that so defiles the American sensibility...

kids should do their own paperrounds and save up their allowance so they can afford their own insurance.

593 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:00:22pm

re: #584 Obdicut

Says reality, Brookly.

Nationalized health care would mean that doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals were now all government employees, as they are in Britain in the NHS.

Nationalized health insurance would mean a single-payer system like they have in Canada.

What HCR provided for was neither. You can look up what it actually was, if you want to actually be informed on the issue.

save your breath, I am not buying it.

594 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:00:33pm

re: #590 LudwigVanQuixote

Well on the full time totalitarian chicken hawk aspect, Rodent is like his hero. Come to think of it, so are most baggers.

Pinochet never fought in a war nor did he fire his weapon. He had other people kill women and children for him.

595 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:08pm

re: #563 brookly red

What do I think it is? OK I think it is nationalized healthcare... show me I am wrong.

sorry to downding you, dude, but this is too not correct

596 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:11pm

re: #589 Obdicut

Ah, but that one doesn't have an actual cost, so it couldn't be defunded. Brookly said the GOP would simply not fund Obamacare; that part isn't vulnerable to not being funded.

nuh-uh. because they are using super secret kenyan marxist doctors to provide the care for children. i read it somewhere.

597 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:39pm

how anyone defends Pinochet's crimes is beyond me. They're like oh he was okay because he was a capitalist and not a socialist/communist. So, if he Pinochet had been a left winger in his ideology than these same defenders are saying they'd probably demonize him but because he was a capitalist he's okay. That's horseshit and they know it. I still think the biggest mistake we made in Latin/South America during hte Cold War was supporting thugs like him simply because they were Anti Communist. I am anti communist as much as the next person but we should have been looking for democrats (small letter d emphaised here) first and foremost rather than murderous tyrants.

598 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:43pm

Hmmm. None of what you are posting about seems quite as dire after two bottles of Penfolds Bin 28 Shiraz

599 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:46pm

re: #585 brookly red

its scary...

I'm looking forward to it. The moonbats & lefties on here will be bitching & moaning all election night.

600 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:47pm

re: #573 Obdicut

Great article in the Daily Beast that calls the Tea Party on their faux fiscal conservatism, and suggests they take a lead from the UK if they really want to balance budgets.

"This is how we shrink deficits in England, Dr Jones".

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

601 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:47pm

I can see the plume of Cheetos® dust from here!

602 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:54pm

re: #576 brookly red

says you

I know what nationalized healthcare is. I will partake in it tomorrow when I got to the doctor to get my ear checked.

You system barely even comes close to it and Obamacare won't make it a whole lot closer. Maybe a tiny weeny smidgen closer.

603 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:01:57pm

re: #592 wozzablog

It is paper "route", love. : )

604 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:02:07pm

re: #593 brookly red

Intentional ignorance isn't really a very good strategy for dealing with life.

605 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:02:43pm

re: #602 Jadespring

I know what nationalized healthcare is. I will partake in it tomorrow when I got to the doctor to get my ear checked.

You system barely even comes close to it and Obamacare won't make it a whole lot closer. Maybe a tiny weeny smidgen closer.

Get that ear taken care of, darlin'!

606 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:03:28pm

Augusto Pinochet: Terrorist

607 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:03:47pm

How am I doin'?

lol

608 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:03:57pm

re: #595 engineer dog

sorry to downding you, dude, but this is too not correct

as you like it... the lines are drawn and the field is set. The armies meet 2 Tuesdays from now.

609 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:03:58pm

re: #600 Kruk

Yep. Nobody in the Tea Party can ever actually say what they want cut that would have any significant effect on the budget. All you get is ridiculous shit like "10% across the board" and other lunacies.

610 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:04:31pm

re: #555 brookly red

oh gawd... we have to read it to see whats in it. so what do you think it is?

I take it you haven't read it.

611 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:04:50pm

re: #603 prairiefire

It is paper "route", love. : )

my nationalised brain medicine doesn't let me translate so well to Americanese ;-)

612 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:04:57pm

re: #604 Obdicut

Says who?

/

613 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:05:11pm

re: #610 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it you haven't read it.

2500 pages... look me in the eye and tell me you did?

614 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:05:29pm

re: #563 brookly red

What do I think it is? OK I think it is nationalized healthcare... show me I am wrong.

Can you provide any evidence that it is 'nationalized healthcare'?

615 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:05:39pm

re: #609 Obdicut

Yep. Nobody in the Tea Party can ever actually say what they want cut that would have any significant effect on the budget. All you get is ridiculous shit like "10% across the board" and other lunacies.

I would say take away their medicare funded scooters, but that's pretty mean.

616 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:05:40pm

re: #610 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it you haven't read it.

It's like O'Donnell and the Constitution. You don't have to read it to know what God intended it to be.

617 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:05:41pm

re: #608 brookly red

as you like it... the lines are drawn and the field is set. The armies meet 2 Tuesdays from now.

And the Grand Old Party is going to hold the field at day's end.

618 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:09pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Pinochet never fought in a war nor did he fire his weapon. He had other people kill women and children for him.

Something Twajie dreams about. If only we were making that up. It's a really good thing that POS got banned.

But then there are Savage, Coldwarrior and Iron Fist who never fired shots either. It's always the ex toilet cleaner and rear guard motor-pool guys who talk the most like Rambo when they get out. People who actually had to fight take it seriously.

Though come to think of it, I doubt sincerely that Iron Fist ever served. He's just too much of a limp dicked operator to have made any cuts.

619 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:21pm

Here's a note from Politifact on one criticism of the healthcare law coming from the National Chamber of Commerce: ad saying: "The new health care law crushes small businesses "with billions in penalties."

...96 percent of U.S. small businesses are specifically exempted from fines on employers who don't insure their employees.

The Chamber's ad said that the new health care law crushes small businesses "with billions in penalties." But some small businesses will actually get tax credits from the health care law. Meanwhile, almost all small businesses -- those with fewer than 50 employees -- are exempt from penalties, whether they offer insurance or not.[Link: politifact.com...]

620 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:34pm

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

And the Grand Old Party is going to hold the field at day's end.

You mean hold 40% of the field. That doesn't mean gaining any ground.

621 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:38pm

re: #614 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you provide any evidence that it is 'nationalized healthcare'?

I am done with this.

622 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:40pm

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

And the Grand Old Party is going to hold the field at day's end.

And is that a good thing?

If you think so, explain why.

623 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #606 Gus 802

Augusto Pinochet: Terrorist

Worse than that.

Dictator, torturer, murderer of women and children.

624 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:06:57pm

re: #609 Obdicut

Yep. Nobody in the Tea Party can ever actually say what they want cut that would have any significant effect on the budget. All you get is ridiculous shit like "10% across the board" and other lunacies.

I don't get it. They could at least say they'd cut federal funding to 'science projects' and get a whoop and a holla from their assumed constituents.

625 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:07:13pm

re: #600 Kruk

Great article in the Daily Beast that calls the Tea Party on their faux fiscal conservatism, and suggests they take a lead from the UK if they really want to balance budgets.

"This is how we shrink deficits in England, Dr Jones".

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Jeebus. Thats really frakking popular here. Madness. Utter madness. destroying pulic sector jobs, destroying private sector jobs and at the same time reducing the spending power of the unemployed to create demand.

An oxford education is not what it used to be.

626 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:07:18pm

re: #576 brookly red

says you

Seriously? This is how you're going argue health care reform?

627 darthstar  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:07:52pm

re: #622 Obdicut

And is that a good thing?

If you think so, explain why.

There is no reason why someone would want the GOP to gain control given the caliber of candidates they've fielded this year. It's pure craziness.

628 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:07:56pm

Chile and the Nazis: from Hitler to Pinochet

629 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:08:02pm

re: #622 Obdicut

And is that a good thing?

If you think so, explain why.

How about you do the explaining for a change? What is wrong with it?

630 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:08:11pm

re: #599 NJDhockeyfan

I'm looking forward to it. The moonbats & lefties on here will be bitching & moaning all election night.

I don't know about anyone else, but this lefty moonbat is quite looking forward to it. The Tea Partiers will gain enough power so that the public will see the lunacy in full flow, but not enough to do any serious damage. 2 years of them ranting and raving on the House floor will clear the way for the grownups come 2012.

631 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:08:21pm

nationalized:

owned and operated by the government

what 'obamacare' did was trade restrictions on the rights of private health insurers to abuse consumers by denying them insurance or charging prohibitively high prices for it, for a guarantee of millions of new customers for the private health insurers

obamacare drives billions of consumer dollars to private health insurers, private hospitals, private health care equipment and drug manufacturers

632 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:08:26pm

re: #619 jaunte

Yep. As a small business owner, I saw that one was total bullshit.

The Chamber of Commerce does not represent small businesses or have their best interests at heart in any way. It represents huge, gigantic businesses, and preserving their market advantages over smaller businesses.

The economic environment for small businesses has gotten worse over the past decade, thanks to 'pro-business' moves that are really only 'pro-gigantic-business'.

Obama has actually done quite a few things to help actually real small businesses.

633 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:08:39pm

re: #626 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously? This is how you're going argue health care reform?

It's how he's argued healthcare reform since i've been here. Why stop now?.

634 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:08:56pm

re: #623 LudwigVanQuixote

Worse than that.

Dictator, torturer, murderer of women and children.

Always thought this was interesting too.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

635 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:09:32pm

re: #593 brookly red

save your breath, I am not buying it.

This is the part that baffles me. You apparently don't know enough to have a respectable argument about this, but you know what you believe--and what you believe, without a shred of evidence, is that 'Obamacare' is nationalized healthcare in the US.

636 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:09:43pm

The Dems are not fond of what has been done by Pelosi with ObamaCare©...

Marshall: Healthcare bill was last straw in opposition to Pelosi as Speaker


Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Ga.) said this week that Rep. Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) handling of healthcare reform was the last straw influencing his decision to oppose her as speaker if the Democrats keep control of the House.

"I have been disappointed for some time by the process that we've been following which is not very inclusive," Marshall told Fox News on Thursday. "We're not following regular order. And then [I was] very disappointed by some of the outcomes.

"The healthcare bill is probably the straw that broke the camel's back," he said. "We had an opportunity there to get costs under control, which is critically important to the nation. [We] didn't take that opportunity, so I think change is in order."

Facing tough reelections this campaign season, a number of Democrats in conservative districts have tried to distance themselves from Pelosi, a California liberal who's been a lightning rod of criticism from the right. But only a handful have said out loud that they'd vote against Pelosi if the party retains its House majority following the elections.

Last week, Marshall added his name to that short list.

637 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:09:44pm

re: #623 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, but other than that?

638 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:09:46pm

re: #626 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously? This is how you're going argue health care reform?

I am not going to argue anything... the lines are drawn.

639 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:10:03pm

Key changes that go into affect for new health plans started after Sept. 23 included the following, courtesy of CNN:


Children under age 19 can no longer be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. The same goes for adults in 2014.

Insurance companies can no longer drop a customer when they get sick or look for mistakes on their application for the purpose to deny payment when they get sick.

Preventive care such as physicals, mammograms and colonoscopies no longer require a co-payment or deductible.

Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits, such as lifesaving treatments.

Patients no longer need to get prior authorization from their insurance company or a doctor’s referral to see a pediatrician or OB/GYN.

Insurance companies must discontinue prior authorization for ER services. Plus, they can’t charge higher co-payments for out-of-network ER providers.

Insurance companies can’t refuse a claim in appeal, and have to continue paying for treatment until the appeal is resolved.
[Link: personalmoneystore.com...]

640 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:10:11pm

re: #596 wozzablog

nuh-uh. because they are using super secret kenyan marxist doctors to provide the care for children. i read it somewhere.

Do you have to pay super secret Kenyan Marxist doctors a lot?

641 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:10:29pm

re: #629 brookly red

How about you do the explaining for a change? What is wrong with it?

Heh. You feel I don't do a lot of explaining, Brookly? Weird. I thought I just explained what 'obamacare' was to you when it became obvious you had no clue.

The GOP is the party of anti-science, AGW-denial. That alone is reason to not want them in control. AGW is a huge problem, getting worse every day, and the GOP has been blocking action on it even in the minority. Now that they'll have committee chairs and subpoena power, they'll be dragging the EPA and every scientist they can get their hands on through the mud, McCarthy style.

That's going to be very harmful to America.

642 enigma3535  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:07pm

re: #561 APox

The US Highway system is socialist; this program helped create the American prominence of the last century ... as our civilization evolves, socialist programs are probably essential to progress. IMHO, the balancing of socialist programs with capitalism will help insure that the US can compete with other countries in the coming decades [near-term speak].

Anyone looking at the graphs of health care spending by the US vs other countries can see the pattern ... we spend more for less tangible result then ANY other country ... either we change or we eventually rot away ... one can hate this message and anyone willing to try to fix it ... but the figures are what they are.

643 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:20pm

re: #626 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously? This is how you're going argue health care reform?

For a damned "takeover" of the health care system those insurance stocks like UHC, Cigna, Wellpoint, Aetna and the like are sure going up fast!

644 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:22pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

I would agree that it is not nationalized health care, but I would also state that there are things in the bill that we are just finding out about.

It seems, maybe I am wrong and would be happy to be educated, that Pelosi saying, "We have to pass it to find out what is in it" is not a good way for bills to become law.

645 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:24pm

re: #599 NJDhockeyfan

I'm looking forward to it. The moonbats & lefties on here will be bitching & moaning all election night.

The moonbats and lefties here are pretty clear-eyed about the probabilities for the midterms. The wingnuts and righties, however, will be in a state of vengeance-induced hysteria all night, and for the following month or two. Just a prediction.

646 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:32pm

re: #641 Obdicut

Heh. You feel I don't do a lot of explaining, Brookly? Weird. I thought I just explained what 'obamacare' was to you when it became obvious you had no clue.

The GOP is the party of anti-science, AGW-denial. That alone is reason to not want them in control. AGW is a huge problem, getting worse every day, and the GOP has been blocking action on it even in the minority. Now that they'll have committee chairs and subpoena power, they'll be dragging the EPA and every scientist they can get their hands on through the mud, McCarthy style.

That's going to be very harmful to America.

uhhh what has that got to do with health care?

647 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:33pm

re: #640 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you have to pay super secret Kenyan Marxist doctors a lot?

Visits are free, co-pay on a prescription is about $13 regardless of what it is. If it is cheaper over the counter the doctor tells you where to buy it.

Its hell on earth.

648 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:44pm

re: #602 Jadespring

I know what nationalized healthcare is. I will partake in it tomorrow when I got to the doctor to get my ear checked.

You system barely even comes close to it and Obamacare won't make it a whole lot closer. Maybe a tiny weeny smidgen closer.

Take good care of that ear. Ear infections suck.

650 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:45pm

re: #622 Obdicut

And is that a good thing?

If you think so, explain why.

It means that there will be a check on Obama. It will hand the Republicans in Congress the responsibility for actually passing the budget, thus forcing them to be serious or pay the price. And here in Illinois it will see the Democratic machine dealt a hammer blow and the state put back on a path to fiscal health.

651 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:11:48pm

re: #630 Kruk

I don't know about anyone else, but this lefty moonbat is quite looking forward to it. The Tea Partiers will gain enough power so that the public will see the lunacy in full flow, but not enough to do any serious damage. 2 years of them ranting and raving on the House floor will clear the way for the grownups come 2012.

I thought that's what was supposed to happen after the last election. What gives?

652 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:12:02pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

personally think Charles would not mind seeing those freaks get some of the "love" they deserve.

Perhaps we should seek Charles opinion, after all it is his blog.
There are other less orthodox ways of dealing with these morons. They are a lot more fun because they employ humor.
I am actually enjoying the status quo. Martinez is a sick paranoid boy trapped in an ugly man's body. It's enjoyable knowing there are literally dozens of ways that I could make his life a living hell. I live a 15 minute drive from Dearborn Michigan. There are a lot of restaurants in Dearborn that I like. Over on the other side of town is the largest Muslim community in America............

LVQ, there is a bit of sadist in me and it is quite enjoyable playing with twajie's feeble mind.

Someone sent me a link to a thread at Troll Central (the blogmocracy) where twajie was crying about not being able to find a girlfriend in Tampa. Naturally he blamed the women. Why am I not surprised that the racist advocate for genocide is repulsive to women.

653 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:12:19pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the part that baffles me. You apparently don't know enough to have a respectable argument about this, but you know what you believe--and what you believe, without a shred of evidence, is that 'Obamacare' is nationalized healthcare in the US.

And he's believing and concerned about something that just doesn't exist.

It's like worrying that aliens are going to come and shoot mind reading chips into his brain.

Dumb.

654 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:12:49pm

re: #650 Dark_Falcon

It means that there will be a check on Obama. It will hand the Republicans in Congress the responsibility for actually passing the budget, thus forcing them to be serious or pay the price. And here in Illinois it will see the Democratic machine dealt a hammer blow and the state put back on a path to fiscal health.

Max Baucus & Joe Lieberman had done a good enough job so far.

655 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:12:50pm

re: #608 brookly red

as you like it... the lines are drawn and the field is set. The armies meet 2 Tuesdays from now.

Actually, the GOP could take the House AND the Senate, and the Obama administration still would never have passed nationalized healthcare. Reality is not decided by elections.

656 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:12:51pm

re: #646 brookly red

uhhh what has that got to do with health care?

Absolutely nothing. Apparently you weren't following the conversation. Dark said that the GOP would 'hold the field'. I asked if it was a good thing. You butted in and demanded I explain why it wasn't.

I did.

And now apparently you forgot what you asked for.

657 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:14:10pm

re: #613 brookly red

2500 pages... look me in the eye and tell me you did?

despite what so many on the other side believe, the document is actually written in english and can be read. it is considerably easier to read, by the way, than the obfuscated "patriot" act

i have a link to the text on my home computer, and you can see for yourself without wailing about its inscrutability and subjecting yourself to rumours and wild imaginings

658 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:14:14pm

Phillys win!

659 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:14:16pm

re: #613 brookly red

2500 pages... look me in the eye and tell me you did?

Nowhere near all of it, but I read sections and read a wide range of commentary and analysis from a variety of sources. I don't feel sufficiently informed.

You, on the other hand, have one talking point, which is mistaken, and apparently feel fine.

660 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:14:42pm

re: #625 wozzablog

I'm not advocacting that approach, but at least Cameron's walking the talk (and while he's causing a lot pain, he spreading that pain around, hitting the relatively well off and military spending, which have traditionally been Tory sacred cows). The Tea Party preaches fiscal conservatism without any solid idea of how to go about it, except the certainty that what's important to*them* will be spared.

661 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:15:02pm

re: #621 brookly red

I am done with this.

I asked for facts, you had none...me too.

662 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:15:08pm

re: #653 Jadespring

And he's believing and concerned about something that just doesn't exist.

It's like worrying that aliens are going to come and shoot mind reading chips into his brain.

Dumb.

yes of course... and I am clinging to my gun & bible too.
Oh wait I'm Jewish.

663 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:15:09pm

re: #650 Dark_Falcon

It means that there will be a check on Obama.

There already has been, as can be seen by the GOP blocking record numbers of his appointments. You think he needs more of a check than the already unprecedented obstructionism he's faced? Why?

It will hand the Republicans in Congress the responsibility for actually passing the budget, thus forcing them to be serious or pay the price.

That isn't a good thing, you know. There is no reason to believe they're going to behave responsibly.

And here in Illinois it will see the Democratic machine dealt a hammer blow and the state put back on a path to fiscal health.

The first part, sure. The second part-- again, the guy you're depending on to put the state back on the path to fiscal health demonstrated he really didn't have a clue as to what the problems facing the state were, when he suggested cutting cable to inmates as a way to save costs-- a program that actually brings the state in revenue.

And that's who's going to bring the state back to fiscal health.

Good luck. Hope I'm wrong.

Doubt I am.

664 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:15:16pm

re: #618 LudwigVanQuixote

Something Twajie dreams about. If only we were making that up. It's a really good thing that POS got banned.

But then there are Savage, Coldwarrior and Iron Fist who never fired shots either. It's always the ex toilet cleaner and rear guard motor-pool guys who talk the most like Rambo when they get out. People who actually had to fight take it seriously.

Though come to think of it, I doubt sincerely that Iron Fist ever served. He's just too much of a limp dicked operator to have made any cuts.

Well, Coldwarrior doesn't brag much and he really did serve in a front line unit. But he's let into himself the hate that spawned a world war and cause the city he served in to be divided in the first place.

665 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:16:03pm

re: #657 engineer dog

despite what so many on the other side believe, the document is actually written in english and can be read. it is considerably easier to read, by the way, than the obfuscated "patriot" act

i have a link to the text on my home computer, and you can see for yourself without wailing about its inscrutability and subjecting yourself to rumours and wild imaginings

I have it too. I think I made it about 150 pages in and then thought 'What in the heck am I reading this for? It doesn't even pertain to me." :)

666 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:16:06pm

re: #638 brookly red

I am not going to argue anything... the lines are drawn.

How about the penalty spot? Is that drawn, too, or do you need some help with that? I don't mind bringing the goals out of the storage shed, with a little help.

667 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:16:57pm

re: #659 SanFranciscoZionist

Nowhere near all of it, but I read sections and read a wide range of commentary and analysis from a variety of sources. I don't feel sufficiently informed.

You, on the other hand, have one talking point, which is mistaken, and apparently feel fine.

yup I feel good. so did you read the part about student loans? please ask your variety of sources exactly how that relates to healthcare?

668 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:17:11pm

re: #652 Reginald Perrin

Perhaps we should seek Charles opinion, after all it is his blog.

I really think CJ is fed up with them ATM. Blowing off some steam, and being completely clear as to why these turds got booted, would likely be fun for all.

Martinez is a sick paranoid boy trapped in an ugly man's body.

Well his nose and gut wouldn't look like that if he didn't drink so much.

Someone sent me a link to a thread at Troll Central (the blogmocracy) where twajie was crying about not being able to find a girlfriend in Tampa. Naturally he blamed the women. Why am I not surprised that the racist advocate for genocide is repulsive to women.

Of course, with losers and malignant narcissists, it is ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Please tell me the name and date of that thread. I need to go see for myself.

669 shutdown  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:17:12pm

re: #653 Jadespring

And he's believing and concerned about something that just doesn't exist.

It's like worrying that aliens are going to come and shoot mind reading chips into his brain.

Dumb.

brookly likes the idea of chips being implanted in him. It will somehow help with the massive voter fraud being perpetrated in this country.

670 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:17:57pm

re: #656 Obdicut

Obdicut,

Your retorts give me a chuckle every single night.

671 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:18:01pm

re: #660 Kruk

I'm not advocacting that approach, but at least Cameron's walking the talk (and while he's causing a lot pain, he spreading that pain around, hitting the relatively well off and military spending, which have traditionally been Tory sacred cows). The Tea Party preaches fiscal conservatism without any solid idea of how to go about it, except the certainty that what's important to*them* will be spared.

The pain the well off will feel is nothing compared to the jobless (2,000,000) scrabbling for 500,000 vacancies with less money to keep them afloat. Brtish benefits are already among the lowest in the western world per slice of income.

Military procurement has been a joke here for almost 3 decades, the end of the cold war through us for a curve - like it did america.

672 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:18:28pm

Citing health care law, Boeing pares employee plan

Aerospace giant Boeing is joining the list of companies that say the new health care law could have a potential downside for their workers.

In a letter mailed to employees late last week, the company cited the overhaul as part of the reason it is asking some 90,000 nonunion workers to pay significantly more for their health plan next year. A copy of the letter was obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

"The newly enacted health care reform legislation, while intended to expand access to care for millions of uninsured Americans, is also adding cost pressure as requirements of the new law are phased in over the next several years," wrote Rick Stephens, Boeing's senior vice president for human resources.

Boeing is the latest major employer to signal a shift for its workers as a result of the legislation, which expands coverage to more than 30 million uninsured people and ranks as President Barack Obama's top domestic achievement. Earlier, McDonald's had raised questions about whether a limited benefit plan that serves some 30,000 of its employees would remain viable under the law. That prompted the administration to issue McDonald's a waiver from certain requirements under the law.

Spokeswoman Karen Forte said the Boeing plan is more generous than what its closest competitors offer, and the company was concerned it would get hit with a new tax under the law.

The tax on so-called "Cadillac" health plans doesn't take effect until 2018, but employers are already beginning to assess their exposure because it is hefty: at 40 percent of the value above $10,200 for individual coverage and $27,500 for a family plan.

673 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:18:31pm

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Phillys win!

My mom told me to say "Fuck you!"
/

674 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:19:06pm

re: #664 Dark_Falcon

Well, Coldwarrior doesn't brag much and he really did serve in a front line unit. But he's let into himself the hate that spawned a world war and cause the city he served in to be divided in the first place.

Oh please, he never fired a shot. Don't even think of allowing that cretin's ego to inflate. He is about as Rambo as my 16 lb puppy.

675 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:19:10pm

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

I thought that's what was supposed to happen after the last election. What gives?

Healthcare reform, stopping the economy from cratering completely, getting two progressive Supreme Court justices.....

676 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:19:11pm

re: #669 imp_62

brookly likes the idea of chips being implanted in him. It will somehow help with the massive voter fraud being perpetrated in this country.

you guys are having a field day today... sure hope you fell so randy in 2 weeks.

677 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:19:51pm

re: #667 brookly red

yup I feel good. so did you read the part about student loans? please ask your variety of sources exactly how that relates to healthcare?

Damn, I thought you were done! Brookly, you are going to have to stop playing coy and sulky and actually say something.

Since clearly nationalized healthcare is a lie, we're now gonna argue about the student loan thing?

Come on.

678 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:20:59pm

re: #677 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn, I thought you were done! Brookly, you are going to have to stop playing coy and sulky and actually say something.

Since clearly nationalized healthcare is a lie, we're now gonna argue about the student loan thing?

Come on.

The student loan reform was a very very good policy. It cut out the middleman and made more money available to students while lowering overall costs. It was a win win except for the banks who used to leach off the system.

679 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #676 brookly red

you guys are having a field day today... sure hope you fell so randy in 2 weeks.

Will you be honest enough to admit you are voting for Paladino?

680 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:21:20pm

re: #676 brookly red

you guys are having a field day today... sure hope you fell so randy in 2 weeks.

I will feel randy, alright. Plotting for the next wave to wipe out all the newly elected right wing extremists in 2 years.

681 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:21:40pm

re: #675 Kruk

Healthcare reform, stopping the economy from cratering completely, getting two progressive Supreme Court justices...

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

682 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:21:50pm

re: #677 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn, I thought you were done! Brookly, you are going to have to stop playing coy and sulky and actually say something.

Since clearly nationalized healthcare is a lie, we're now gonna argue about the student loan thing?

Come on.

you know you are really starting to play the part... no coy, no sulky have your fun now cause a hard rain is gonna fall.

683 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:21:53pm

re: #676 brookly red

you guys are having a field day today... sure hope you fell so randy in 2 weeks.

republicans are feeling good right now because they believe they will win big

governing is when the reality sets in and the shoes is on the other feets

684 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:22:09pm

re: #680 prairiefire

I will feel randy/blockquote>

thats all i needed to hear..............

rawr........... ;-)

685 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:22:19pm

re: #672 NJDhockeyfan

Citing health care law, Boeing pares employee plan

Non-Union Workers. There's a lesson there, people. Workers of the world, unite!

686 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:22:34pm

re: #672 NJDhockeyfan

Citing health care law, Boeing pares employee plan

Yep. I work for a company with a little over 250 employees here in PA. We had a communications meeting this week. They warned us about upcoming changes to our health insurance next month.

687 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:22:39pm

somebody didn't prep for debate class.

688 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:23:04pm

re: #682 brookly red

you know you are really starting to play the part... no coy, no sulky have your fun now cause a hard rain is gonna fall.

Such a thing is a disaster for America. What is wrong with you? Exactly which of this crop of GOP turds is even remotely fit for office? IS your desire to stir shit so great that you ignore that? Or is your silly grudge against Dems so great that you refuse to see it?

689 jaunte  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:23:15pm

Insurance industry lobbying techniques:
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

690 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:23:16pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

if america was so happy with the republicans, why did they vote them out of office in 2006 and 2008?

691 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:23:32pm

re: #687 wozzablog

somebody didn't prep for debate class.

Paladino should send him a thank you note for his 1 vote from Brooklyn.

692 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:24:13pm

re: #678 LudwigVanQuixote

The student loan reform was a very very good policy. It cut out the middleman and made more money available to students while lowering overall costs. It was a win win except for the banks who used to leach off the system.

If I recall the local Congressman here, Connolly played a big role in that. I'm canassing for him Saturday afternoon.

693 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:24:18pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

because they don't know - as we have established here this evenig - that some likely republican voters don't have a single fucking clue about what the last 2 years have provided legislatively.

694 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:24:34pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

Most? Hardly. It looks like even stevens in the Senate and a thin GOP majority in the House. For the ruling party in mid-terms, during the worst economic downturn in decades, that's pretty good.

695 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:25:24pm

re: #679 bratwurst

Will you be honest enough to admit you are voting for Paladino?

well I was going to but Mr. Rent is too damn high is kinda appealing...

and excuse me but this is still America and stop using the term admit when discussing elections, supporting a candidate you do no approve of is not a crime so I don't need to "admit" anything... sorry to harsh your mellow.

696 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:25:24pm

re: #690 engineer dog

if america was so happy with the republicans, why did they vote them out of office in 2006 and 2008?

Apparently they have realized they made a mistake. The Dems are going to get crushed in 12 days.
Heh.

697 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:25:32pm

I'm reading the book, that grew out if ab essay entitled "What are we going to do with Dad?". Written by a GP, Gerentologist, about his true life story about caring for his ageing parents. Some of us, are in the "sandwich" generation, caring for our elders, while caring for our kids.
Memoroy Lessons, by Jerald Winakur, is a lovely book, about his struggle as an MD, to provide help, love & caring guidance to the PEOPLE of his practice. It's making me cry a lot. So, my message is, reach out, if you need help. If I can help, I will. It's hard, so very hard.
Live today, like it's your last day.
Be well.

698 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:26:58pm

re: #690 engineer dog

if america was so happy with the republicans, why did they vote them out of office in 2006 and 2008?

Party in power fatigue. Pelosi and Obama just accelerated the "fatigue" process.

699 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:28:01pm

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

Thank god for that!

But even Reagan was no Reagan...though he was Reagan enough.

700 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:28:20pm

Hmmm, it looks like the cretins at the swamp deleted a whole thread. I suppose one of them must have noticed this page and had a hategasm that was too much even for them.

701 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:28:38pm

Hey has anybody come across any major reaction in the blogosphere about the huge arms deal with the Saudi's that was announced yesterday?

Just curious how this plays out in all of the crazier narratives that are flying around these days.

702 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:28:44pm

re: #685 Kruk

Non-Union Workers. There's a lesson there, people. Workers of the world, unite!

Or as they are called in the auto industry, exempt.

703 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:28:53pm

re: #696 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently they have realized they made a mistake. The Dems are going to get crushed in 12 days.
Heh.

first of all, the election hasn't happened yet, so you are tempting fate by assuming you will 'win'

and then we have seen how americans have voted republicans in before and 'realized they made a mistake'

704 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:28:57pm

re: #697 Floral Giraffe

And, if dementia or Alzheimers is in what you are dealing with, the book, The thirty six hour day, has been an invaluable resource for me.
I have given around 10 copies to friends, it's that good.

705 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:29:30pm

re: #694 Kruk

Most? Hardly. It looks like even stevens in the Senate and a thin GOP majority in the House. For the ruling party in mid-terms, during the worst economic downturn in decades, that's pretty good.

Just Stevens lost in the Senate?

Dem winners were Hagan in NC, Franken in MN, and quite a few others since the Senate count was 51-49 after 06 and climbed up to 58 now.

706 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:29:45pm

re: #700 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmmm, it looks like the cretins at the swamp deleted a whole thread. I suppose one of them must have noticed this page and had a hategasm that was too much even for them.

thats two credits.

707 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:29:45pm

re: #695 brookly red

well I was going to but Mr. Rent is too damn high is kinda appealing...

and excuse me but this is still America and stop using the term admit when discussing elections, supporting a candidate you do no approve of is not a crime so I don't need to "admit" anything... sorry to harsh your mellow.

Nobody said it was a crime at all. Why not be proud of your choice? Who knows, with the silver tongue you have demonstrated in this thread, you might just win him a few more votes.

708 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:30:08pm

re: #697 Floral Giraffe

My mum had her second accident in 16 months (her fault) this weekend. The first time I lectured her about taking a refresher driving course. This time she said "I'm going to take a senior driver's ed course!" before I could press her on it.
She has always been a bad driver. I don't let her drive my kids anywhere.

709 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:30:32pm

re: #700 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmmm, it looks like the cretins at the swamp deleted a whole thread. I suppose one of them must have noticed this page and had a hategasm that was too much even for them.

Used a squirt gun, to put out a forrest fire, did they?
Suprised they had that for a tool!
LOL!

710 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:31:09pm

re: #703 engineer dog

first of all, the election hasn't happened yet, so you are tempting fate by assuming you will 'win'

and then we have seen how americans have voted republicans in before and 'realized they made a mistake'

No Republican has ever made a mistake. Ever.

Well, aside from possibly Lincoln admitting he sometimes changed his mind about issues when facts changed around him, or when he got some new information.

711 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:31:34pm

re: #688 LudwigVanQuixote

Such a thing is a disaster for America. What is wrong with you? Exactly which of this crop of GOP turds is even remotely fit for office? IS your desire to stir shit so great that you ignore that? Or is your silly grudge against Dems so great that you refuse to see it?

No Ludwig I am a (registered) Dem... I just happen to be a small government, fiscally responsible dem. You can have all the social issues you want just balance the books. Is that too much to ask?

712 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:31:58pm

re: #707 bratwurst

Nobody said it was a crime at all. Why not be proud of your choice? Who knows, with the silver tongue you have demonstrated in this thread, you might just win him a few more votes.

ewwwww, i saw a silver tongue in one of Paladinos emails..........

713 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:31:58pm

re: #704 Floral Giraffe

Thank you for this. My wife's grandmother has dementia and is falling into Alzheimer's. Her poor husband and family are at a loss of how to cope.

I will be getting this for them.

Again, thank you.

714 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:32:01pm

re: #694 Kruk

oops - you said "even stevens" and not Ted Stevens.

Time for my last bit of scotch and a sign off.

Go Giants!

715 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:32:04pm

re: #698 joest73

Party in power fatigue. Pelosi and Obama just accelerated the "fatigue" process.

i don't think the american people are going to be happy with any political parties in power as long as we are experiencing the most severe recession since the 30s at the same time we are losing a war

W managed to be way more unpopular than O is now at a time when the economy seemed to be doing considerably better

that ought to tell us a lot

716 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:32:09pm

re: #688 LudwigVanQuixote

Such a thing is a disaster for America. What is wrong with you? Exactly which of this crop of GOP turds is even remotely fit for office? IS your desire to stir shit so great that you ignore that? Or is your silly grudge against Dems so great that you refuse to see it?

Carly Fiorina is fit for office. Mark Kirk is fit for office. Dino Rossi is fit for office. That's three as a start.

717 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:32:54pm

Night, lizards.

718 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:33:13pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Pinochet never fought in a war nor did he fire his weapon. He had other people kill women and children for him.

You are pushing the right buttons, keep it up and you get another thread at the stalker's second blog.

Did you know about the blog twajie worked at that was owned by tea-bagger Eric the odious Odom? It vanished mysteriously a few months ago, along with numerous stalker blogs twajie owned personally.
Meanwhile, twajie and the other trolls down at Troll Central are crying the blues because Charles has chosen to delete a small number of old posts that may appear offensive.

719 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:33:34pm

re: #708 prairiefire

My mum had her second accident in 16 months (her fault) this weekend. The first time I lectured her about taking a refresher driving course. This time she said "I'm going to take a senior driver's ed course!" before I could press her on it.
She has always been a bad driver. I don't let her drive my kids anywhere.

Um, should she be driving at all?
Yes, I get what the loss of driving means.
But, have you considered the potential problems, if she has an accident, and you knew she shouldn't be driving?
Get yourself the 36 hour day & read it, it will help you make decisions, informed ones, that you need to be ahead of, rather than behind of.
God bless.

720 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:33:38pm

re: #700 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmmm, it looks like the cretins at the swamp deleted a whole thread. I suppose one of them must have noticed this page and had a hategasm that was too much even for them.

Actually, it likely just them moving threads around. They do that sometimes. I know how rotten they are, but this was probably nothing.

721 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:34:21pm

re: #576 brookly red

says you

Canada has nationalized health insurance. Obamacare is nothing like that.

Wouldn't it be great if there were more than 1 or 2 informed serious conservatives posting at LGF?

722 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:34:59pm

re: #711 brookly red

No Ludwig I am a (registered) Dem... I just happen to be a small government, fiscally responsible dem. You can have all the social issues you want just balance the books. Is that too much to ask?

Balance the books? Don't you know you are supposed to spend, spend, spend your way to success?

723 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:35:10pm

re: #711 brookly red

No Ludwig I am a (registered) Dem... I just happen to be a small government, fiscally responsible dem. You can have all the social issues you want just balance the books. Is that too much to ask?

Oh no a fiscal Democrat! You don't belong in the party that was hijacked by the Deaniacs.....I mean progressives.

724 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:35:16pm

re: #714 Linden Arden

oops - you said "even stevens" and not Ted Stevens.

Time for my last bit of scotch and a sign off.

Go Giants!

Heh. I put it down to one of those charming dialect differences. Sort of like Americans naming their kid "Randy", and wondering why people smirk at the poor guy.

725 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:35:27pm

re: #716 Dark_Falcon

Carly Fiorina is fit for office.

Carly Fiorina was not particularly fit to run Hewlett Packard. She made one of the most financially disastrous decisions ever by a CEO in the purchase of Compaq.

Them's the economic bona-fides?

726 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:35:57pm

re: #572 NJDhockeyfan

Don't mind them, they are just upset about the walloping that is going to happen in 12 days. They are just blowing off steam.

You guys haven't had a victory since 2004, so I'm quite sure you'll all be creaming your shorts.

And you weren't upset about the "thumpin" you took in 2006, then again in 2008?

727 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:37:21pm

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Balance the books? Don't you know you are supposed to spend, spend, spend your way to success?

Which Republicans in our lifetime have balanced these books you speak of?

728 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:37:22pm

re: #726 palomino

You guys haven't had a victory since 2004, so I'm quite sure you'll all be creaming your shorts.

And you weren't upset about the "thumpin" you took in 2006, then again in 2008?

We are paying severely for that. America has had enough and are going to clean out the swamp.

729 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:37:47pm

re: #713 brownbagj

Thank you for this. My wife's grandmother has dementia and is falling into Alzheimer's. Her poor husband and family are at a loss of how to cope.

I will be getting this for them.

Again, thank you.

HIP SAVERS!
You must get your elders to wear hip savers!
They're $35 a pair, and are designed like football hip pads, by an orthopedic surgeon who saw how the broken hip meant the end of life for many elders. Re-useable & washable!

730 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:38:19pm

re: #718 Reginald Perrin

You are pushing the right buttons, keep it up and you get another thread at the stalker's second blog.

Which would be hilarious because I'm throwing the Pinochet comments out just to get a rise out of him. Since he's reading this he might figure out that I'm fecking with his mind.

Did you know about the blog twajie worked at that was owned by tea-bagger Eric the odious Odom? It vanished mysteriously a few months ago, along with numerous stalker blogs twajie owned personally. Meanwhile, twajie and the other trolls down at Troll Central are crying the blues because Charles has chosen to delete a small number of old posts that may appear offensive.

Yeah, Odom used to show up in the whois for Think Progress Watch. They keep babbling about the alleged deletions while they constantly delete posts and comments. Not that I care what they do over at their site.

They'll never grow out of it. Maybe if he got a girlfriend or something that told him to knock it off.

731 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:38:43pm

re: #727 palomino

Which Republicans in our lifetime have balanced these books you speak of?

Uh I'll take none of them Trebek. I'm sorry but Republicans like Bush and Reagan spent just as much as Democrats have in recent years. I'm supposed to believe they'll cut spending now, why?

732 spiderx  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:38:47pm

What took NPR so long?

this is the same guy that said Michelle Obama was Stokely Carmicheal in a designer dress.

he is routinely brought on FOX to give cover to Bill O'reilly whenever O'reilly makes some racist comment.

Juan Williams may have been a journalist at some point. But it's clear he's been just a token "liberal" for FOX's propaganda for years now.

733 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:39:05pm

re: #728 NJDhockeyfan

We are paying severely for that. America has had enough and are going to clean out the swamp.


I think you mean drain the swamp... (wtf your from Jersey) yeah that workd out so well the last time ;)

734 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:39:47pm

re: #716 Dark_Falcon

Carly Fiorina is fit for office. Mark Kirk is fit for office. Dino Rossi is fit for office. That's three as a start.

Sorry DF, but Fiorina is not fit to be a dog catcher. She destroyed 2 major corporations with incompetency (Compaq & DEC) and nearly destroyed 2 others (Lucent & HP). I doubt HP will survive as an independent firm much longer due to the damage done under her.

All she's ever really accomplished is her Expert Golden Parachutist Badge...

735 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:40:58pm

re: #731 HappyWarrior

Uh I'll take none of them Trebek. I'm sorry but Republicans like Bush and Reagan spent just as much as Democrats have in recent years. I'm supposed to believe they'll cut spending now, why?

They've spent 3 TRILLION DOLLARS in the past 18 months. No previous president can even come close to those kinds of numbers.

736 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:41:05pm

re: #728 NJDhockeyfan

We are paying severely for that. America has had enough and are going to clean out the swamp.

Really, so that GOP congress of 2000-2006 had us going in the right direction?

Prediction: conservative idealists will be very disillusioned when they realize this congress is no different from previous ones run by the gop, except for the additional extremists brought to us by the tea party.

737 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:41:34pm

Seriously though. If the projections are correct this elections day isn't looking like a blowout Republican revolution. Not even close. They will gain a lot of ground in the House and in the Senate. But they won't have any super majorities. They'll have the House but it won't be a super majority. They'll also get the House Majority Leader Seat. It's pretty significant but it's not Earth shattering in my view. I've seen it all before.

738 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:41:46pm

re: #715 engineer dog

i don't think the american people are going to be happy with any political parties in power as long as we are experiencing the most severe recession since the 30s at the same time we are losing a war

W managed to be way more unpopular than O is now at a time when the economy seemed to be doing considerably better

that ought to tell us a lot

W's numbers dropped as a result of war fatigue.
I agree with you that whoever would be in power now would be paying the price for the economy. Chris Christie could be the straight talker that could beat Obama.

739 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:42:43pm

re: #735 NJDhockeyfan

They've spent 3 TRILLION DOLLARS in the past 18 months. No previous president can even come close to those kinds of numbers.

Some of that money is the Bush wars being brought on to the Books that the Govt lets the public see.......... the wars were on credit cards til that point. Same money going out but it didn't count towards the sets of numbers now being used to compare Bush & Obama.

740 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:42:47pm

re: #729 Floral Giraffe

She had fallen at home. She was put in the hospital and they KNEW she was someone who did not need to be up and walking on her own. But, they forgot to strap her to the bed. She got up, fell and caused a concussion.

Not the brain issues, that had seemed to stabilize are deteriorating quickly.

Very sad to see.

Thank you for the advice.

741 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:43:42pm

I just joined a Tea Party.


The Herbal Tea Party that is.

742 blueraven  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Balance the books? Don't you know you are supposed to spend, spend, spend your way to success?

That's what the republicans did. Two wars, medicare part D...now they pretend they want to be responsible when the bills come due. Nice work if you can get it!

743 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:44:17pm

re: #735 NJDhockeyfan

They've spent 3 TRILLION DOLLARS in the past 18 months. No previous president can even come close to those kinds of numbers.

actually, a lot of this has already been paid back, by B of A and GM and others - sometimes at a profit

and then there's the issue of us dems being upset at the amount of money that RR borrowed in the 1980s only to find that somehow the world didn't come to an end

744 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:44:42pm

re: #737 Gus 802

Seriously though. If the projections are correct this elections day isn't looking like a blowout Republican revolution. Not even close. They will gain a lot of ground in the House and in the Senate. But they won't have any super majorities. They'll have the House but it won't be a super majority. They'll also get the House Majority Leader Seat. It's pretty significant but it's not Earth shattering in my view. I've seen it all before.

The gop is so homogeneous they don't need a supermajority in the House. A one-vote majority is sufficient, as they vote in lockstep.

And the supermajority only really matters in the Senate, where they won't be close to 60.

745 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:44:46pm

re: #737 Gus 802

Seriously though. If the projections are correct this elections day isn't looking like a blowout Republican revolution. Not even close. They will gain a lot of ground in the House and in the Senate. But they won't have any super majorities. They'll have the House but it won't be a super majority. They'll also get the House Majority Leader Seat. It's pretty significant but it's not Earth shattering in my view. I've seen it all before.

Yep. And the sheer entertainment value of watching GOP members in swing districts choose between toeing a tea-party driven line, and voting against the leadership with a razaor thin majority...

746 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:45:24pm

re: #668 LudwigVanQuixote

I really think CJ is fed up with them ATM. Blowing off some steam, and being completely clear as to why these turds got booted, would likely be fun for all.

Well his nose and gut wouldn't look like that if he didn't drink so much.

Of course, with losers and malignant narcissists, it is ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Please tell me the name and date of that thread. I need to go see for myself.

I will get that to you tomorrow, through our mutual pet. I am serious, this guy and his crew of loser trolls are a comedy goldmine. Take Mark (savage) Donato for instance. The unemployed pussy lives in a double wide with his far left mother. He fights with her about politics and he once commented on how he would like to slap her around. For some unknown reason Donato was fired and is no longer licensed as a truck driver. Those damn leftist in California have deemed him unqualified to drive a truck...... You can't make up shit this funny.

747 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:45:51pm

re: #739 wozzablog

Some of that money is the Bush wars being brought on to the Books that the Govt lets the public see... the wars were on credit cards til that point. Same money going out but it didn't count towards the sets of numbers now being used to compare Bush & Obama.

Helluva spin there Spanky. Hahahaha!

748 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:46:37pm

I am a fiscal conservative and feel I have NO ONE to vote for.

All politicians want to spend. The argument is over what to spend dollars on.

I have VERY little faith that if the republicans win in 2010 that they will do anything different than they did when they controlled both houses.

I am disillusioned to say the least.

*kicks soda can*

749 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:47:07pm

re: #743 engineer dog

actually, a lot of this has already been paid back, by B of A and GM and others - sometimes at a profit

and then there's the issue of us dems being upset at the amount of money that RR borrowed in the 1980s only to find that somehow the world didn't come to an end


The Govt made a profit on TARP :-)

(people at JP Morgan are squealing about paying back the ineterst)

750 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:47:09pm

re: #738 joest73

W's numbers dropped as a result of war fatigue.
I agree with you that whoever would be in power now would be paying the price for the economy. Chris Christie could be the straight talker that could beat Obama.

Did Christie lose a bunch of weight? If not, forget it.

America doesn't elect fat men president anymore. The last one was Taft--back in the days when fat was cool and cameras were scarce.

751 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:47:47pm

re: #747 NJDhockeyfan

Helluva spin there Spanky. Hahahaha!

Way to air brush the structural deficit the new guy inherited. So nobile of you. Really, keep it up.

752 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:47:54pm

re: #743 engineer dog

Not to be too picky, but didn't GM use another loan to pay off some of the first loan?

I don't think that qualifies as success. I believe they got roasted by the media for claiming to have paid back the loan.

753 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:48:15pm

re: #738 joest73

W's numbers dropped as a result of war fatigue.
I agree with you that whoever would be in power now would be paying the price for the economy. Chris Christie could be the straight talker that could beat Obama.

RR and Clinton were both in pretty much the same position politically at this point in their respective presidencies, and there were widespread expectations both times that they would be one term presidents

it could very well be be that Obama may follow the same pattern and by 2012 see his approval ratings risen from an average now of 44-46% to well over 50% - and he might prove hard to beat

that's what i'm hoping for, anyway...

754 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:48:30pm

re: #740 brownbagj

It's really hard.
I wish you & your loved one, luck on the journey.
It's a rough road.
Be well.

755 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:48:59pm

re: #750 palomino

Did Christie lose a bunch of weight? If not, forget it.

America doesn't elect fat men president anymore. The last one was Taft--back in the days when fat was cool and cameras were scarce.

Clinton was pretty fat.Though I doubt Christie has Bill's charisma which went a long way. I see Christie as a more stronger candidate in 2016 say once he's had the chance to serve two possible terms as the governor of New Jersey.

756 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:48:59pm

re: #744 palomino

The gop is so homogeneous they don't need a supermajority in the House. A one-vote majority is sufficient, as they vote in lockstep.

And the supermajority only really matters in the Senate, where they won't be close to 60.

That's what turns me off with the new GOP. How they want all of their congresspeople to vote in lockstep. Anyone that votes against the majority is isolated and demonized. Would be good to see mixed voting from both sides of aisle.

757 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:49:24pm

re: #753 engineer dog

RR and Clinton were both in pretty much the same position politically at this point in their respective presidencies, and there were widespread expectations both times that they would be one term presidents

it could very well be be that Obama may follow the same pattern and by 2012 see his approval ratings risen from an average now of 44-46% to well over 50% - and he might prove hard to beat

that's what i'm hoping for, anyway...

Clinton inherited massive deficits and ended up with a surplus and positive poll numbers.

who said all politica careeres end in failure?

758 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:49:44pm

re: #735 NJDhockeyfan

They've spent 3 TRILLION DOLLARS in the past 18 months. No previous president can even come close to those kinds of numbers.

I think you're mistaken. Can you break down this 3 trillion dollars of new spending?

Most of it is bailout and stimulus. Should Bush and Obama have just let the banks and insurance companies collapse? That would have made our current mess look like an economic boom.

The stim is over 10 years. And the bailouts have mostly been paid back. That's not a net loss of 3 trillion.

759 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:49:58pm

re: #750 palomino

Did Christie lose a bunch of weight? If not, forget it.

America doesn't elect fat men president anymore. The last one was Taft--back in the days when fat was cool and cameras were scarce.

Lincoln would be considered far too ugly to be a viable candidate today. Sad but true.

760 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:50:23pm

g'night kids.

761 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:51:42pm

re: #759 Kruk

Lincoln would be considered far too ugly to be a viable candidate today. Sad but true.

Lincoln always looked like he just woke up.

762 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:52:20pm

re: #751 wozzablog

Way to air brush the structural deficit the new guy inherited. So nobile of you. Really, keep it up.

He doesn't care. He gets his econ talking points from the usual suspects, and apparently isn't interested in acknowledging anything else.

763 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:52:25pm

re: #750 palomino

Did Christie lose a bunch of weight? If not, forget it.

America doesn't elect fat men president anymore. The last one was Taft--back in the days when fat was cool and cameras were scarce.

The weight issue is a problem. He lost a bit a few months ago. I don't know if he gained it back like the Huckster.

Come on...he is from New Jersey...the weight fits his tough guy image!

764 spiderx  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:52:35pm

re: #748 brownbagj

I am a fiscal conservative and feel I have NO ONE to vote for.

All politicians want to spend. The argument is over what to spend dollars on.

I have VERY little faith that if the republicans win in 2010 that they will do anything different than they did when they controlled both houses.

I am disillusioned to say the least.

*kicks soda can*

when you are in a recession- especially "the great recession" you have to increase government spending. Why is this so hard to understand?

765 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:52:38pm

re: #676 brookly red

you guys are having a field day today... sure hope you fell so randy in 2 weeks.

Sure will. In two weeks we know the size of the next challenge.

As long as Fiorina doesn't win, basically, I'm good.

766 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:53:16pm

re: #759 Kruk

Lincoln would be considered far too ugly to be a viable candidate today. Sad but true.

Maybe... but we have much better surgeons & dentists now. And if Lincoln had had a teleprompter, who knows?

767 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:53:37pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

Economy's still for shit. It's a foregone conclusion that the midterm would go badly for the Democrats.

768 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:53:48pm

re: #759 Kruk

Lincoln would be considered far too ugly to be a viable candidate today. Sad but true.

Which is why the gop contenders are Romney (good hair), Palin (photogenic face), and not Christie (big fat man).

769 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:53:54pm

re: #761 Gus 802

Lincoln always looked like he just woke up.

I didn't think you were that old...

770 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:54:45pm

re: #763 joest73

The weight issue is a problem. He lost a bit a few months ago. I don't know if he gained it back like the Huckster.

Come on...he is from New Jersey...the weight fits his tough guy image!

I've heard that most people want to vote for someone who's just a little smarter than them. Given that most American adults are (or will be soon) overweight or obese, do the voters also go for someone thinner than them?

771 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:56:13pm

re: #763 joest73

The weight issue is a problem. He lost a bit a few months ago. I don't know if he gained it back like the Huckster.

Come on...he is from New Jersey...the weight fits his tough guy image!

We've become a rather superficial nation in terms of appearance. A fat guy can win as guv, but rolling his fat body all around the country for America to see for the next year and a half? That's not how you get elected in this age.

Now if he suddenly lost a bunch of weight, that would be different. He could use that as an example of personal redemption (or some other media-ready narrative).

772 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:56:51pm

re: #683 engineer dog

republicans are feeling good right now because they believe they will win big

governing is when the reality sets in and the shoes is on the other feets

A lot of folks are just looking for payback for Obama's win, and don't much care what happens next. Nor will they.

Eh, we'll muddle through.

773 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:57:00pm

re: #767 SanFranciscoZionist

Economy's still for shit. It's a foregone conclusion that the midterm would go badly for the Democrats.

Accck! who are you and what have you done with SFZ!

774 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:57:09pm

re: #735 NJDhockeyfan

They've spent 3 TRILLION DOLLARS in the past 18 months. No previous president can even come close to those kinds of numbers.

"spent"

or you could look at it as having borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars from overseas that they invested in america, because they believed in our future and wanted to help oil the gears

when you spend money it doesn't just disappear down a black hole, you know - it moves along to other businesses and people, causing things to happen every time it changes hands

that's the way economies work

775 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:57:42pm

re: #694 Kruk

Most? Hardly. It looks like even stevens in the Senate and a thin GOP majority in the House. For the ruling party in mid-terms, during the worst economic downturn in decades, that's pretty good.

My mom is stressing over it all.

776 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:58:55pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

Same reason they voted you guys out in 2006 and then again in 2008: they're fickle and pissed off.

777 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:59:37pm

re: #696 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently they have realized they made a mistake. The Dems are going to get crushed in 12 days.
Heh.

So, when your guys get voted out in turn, it's a mistake, but when the other guys get voted out in turn it's the righteous vengeance of the voters?

I'm a solid party gal, and even I don't think like that.

778 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:59:50pm

re: #771 palomino

We've become a rather superficial nation in terms of appearance. A fat guy can win as guv, but rolling his fat body all around the country for America to see for the next year and a half? That's not how you get elected in this age.

Now if he suddenly lost a bunch of weight, that would be different. He could use that as an example of personal redemption (or some other media-ready narrative).

It's almost like animal behavior and since we are animals it fits. But it's beyond just appearance because I'm sure you know that appearances and body type translate into human morals, perceptions, ethics, etc. It's like when they test people to pick "who is more trustworthy" and they show them an image of two different body types. Certain body types will result in similar responses from groups.

779 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 8:59:54pm

re: #770 Kruk

I've heard that most people want to vote for someone who's just a little smarter than them. Given that most American adults are (or will be soon) overweight or obese, do the voters also go for someone thinner than them?

around here most people want to vote for someone that will ensure they have the ways and means to buy food...

780 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:00:04pm

re: #776 palomino

Same reason they voted you guys out in 2006 and then again in 2008: they're fickle and pissed off.

Someone finally says it. I don't want to sound like I am knocking my countrymen and women here but we're a fickle bunch.

781 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:00:27pm

re: #758 palomino

I think you're mistaken. Can you break down this 3 trillion dollars of new spending?

Most of it is bailout and stimulus. Should Bush and Obama have just let the banks and insurance companies collapse? That would have made our current mess look like an economic boom.

The stim is over 10 years. And the bailouts have mostly been paid back. That's not a net loss of 3 trillion.

It’s Official: Obama Has Now Borrowed $3 Trillion

It's official: The Obama administration has now borrowed $3 trillion, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.

It took from 1776, when the United States became an independent country, until 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell signaling victory in the Cold War, for the federal government to accumulate a total of $3 trillion in debt, according to the Treasury Department. It only took from Jan. 20, 2009, the day President Barack Obama was inaugurated, until Oct. 15, 2010, for the Obama administration to add $3 trillion to the federal debt.

The overall debt of the federal government, according to the Treasury Department, is now $13.666 trillion.

Each business day, in the afternoon, the Treasury Department’s Bureau of the Public Debt publishes the exact amount—to the penny--of total federal debt as of the close of the previous business day.

At the close of business on Jan. 20, 2009, according to the bureau, the total debt of the federal government was $10,626,877,048,913.08. On Oct. 15, 2010, the federal government borrowed an additional $58,979,549,154.06, bringing the total federal debt at the close of Friday’s business day to $13,665,926,643,255.96—an increase of $3,039,049,594,342.88 since President Obama’s inauguration.

I posted the links to the Treasury Dept in the article for you to check on.

782 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:00:57pm

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Balance the books? Don't you know you are supposed to spend, spend, spend your way to success?

reaganomics was essentially just a variation on keynesianism

783 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:01:51pm

re: #779 brookly red

around here most people want to vote for someone that will ensure they have the ways and means to buy food...

privatizing social security probably won't do that.

Oops, grandma, the markets just tanked--your ss just disappeared along with everyone's 401k. Not a good idea.

784 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:02:40pm

re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist

My mom is stressing over it all.

I was a little too (and I'm not even American), but the mid to long term still looks very good for the progressive agenda. Oddly enough, a GOP win now will remind both independents and fickle Democrats just how good it was when the Dems had a clear advantage, That bodes well for 2012. And the long term trends are in the Democrats favour.

785 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:03:01pm

re: #759 Kruk

Lincoln would be considered far too ugly to be a viable candidate today. Sad but true.

He wasn't the favorite when he ran. I believe the two leading candidates split the votes and Lincoln squeezed in for a win with less than 50% of the votes. (correct me if I'm wrong)

786 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:03:37pm

re: #783 palomino

privatizing social security probably won't do that.

Oops, grandma, the markets just tanked--your ss just disappeared along with everyone's 401k. Not a good idea.

talk about outta left field...

787 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:03:48pm

re: #728 NJDhockeyfan

We are paying severely for that. America has had enough and are going to clean out the swamp.

America is going to vote for some Republicans. Swamp-cleaning is highly doubtful unless one of the new class is savvy and charismatic enough to do a Newt.

We can hope. Frankly, although it would cramp Obama's style like hell, I'd rather that than what I think's going to happen, which is that most of these people will be incompetent, and the new blood who aren't will find themselves frustrated in their attempts to get much done by economic silliness and socon stupidity.

788 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:03:57pm

re: #779 brookly red

around here most people want to vote for someone that will ensure they have the ways and means to buy food...

My god, that almost sounds like Socialism! :)

789 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:04:06pm

The Dems are going to get crushed in 12 days

personally, i am incapable of baldly stating that something will happen in the future

choose your words carefully - they might need to be eaten, you know...

790 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:04:06pm

re: #770 Kruk

I've heard that most people want to vote for someone who's just a little smarter than them. Given that most American adults are (or will be soon) overweight or obese, do the voters also go for someone thinner than them?

I'd vote for someone that is heavier than me, but if I keep jumping a pants size every two years I may catch up to Christie by 2012.

Now if he also sweats alot.....he doesn't have a chance.

791 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:04:44pm

re: #788 Kruk

My god, that almost sounds like Socialism! :)

yup a frickin shame it has come to this...

792 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:05:39pm

re: #781 NJDhockeyfan

It’s Official: Obama Has Now Borrowed $3 Trillion


I posted the links to the Treasury Dept in the article for you to check on.

so, tell me - what exactly is the bad thing that you expect to happen because of this?

793 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:07:24pm

re: #750 palomino

Did Christie lose a bunch of weight? If not, forget it.

America doesn't elect fat men president anymore. The last one was Taft--back in the days when fat was cool and cameras were scarce.

Taft, to be fair, gained a lot of weight in office. He wasn't happy as president, took to comfort eating.

794 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:07:38pm

re: #792 engineer dog

so, tell me - what exactly is the bad thing that you expect to happen because of this?

well debt service is a bitch... but hey we won't be here to see it.

795 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:07:51pm

re: #781 NJDhockeyfan

He borrowed 3 tril because Bernanke, Paulson, Volcker, et al. told him the entire economy would collapse otherwise. Much of the money was paid back by banks and car companies, so it's not a net loss of 3 tril.

Most of the borrowing was for bailouts and stimulus. So again, I'll ask the question: should Obama (and Bush before him) have just let banks and insurance cos. fail, causing the whole econ to go into a 1930 type free fall?

796 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:08:54pm

re: #768 palomino

Which is why the gop contenders are Romney (good hair), Palin (photogenic face), and not Christie (big fat man).

Romney's got the look. I don't know as he has anything else, but he does have the hair and the chin to lead.

797 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:09:28pm

re: #771 palomino

We've become a rather superficial nation in terms of appearance. A fat guy can win as guv, but rolling his fat body all around the country for America to see for the next year and a half? That's not how you get elected in this age.

Now if he suddenly lost a bunch of weight, that would be different. He could use that as an example of personal redemption (or some other media-ready narrative).

Only in our age is losing weight considered a form of redemption.

798 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:10:16pm

re: #773 brookly red

Accck! who are you and what have you done with SFZ!

I have never said anything different, and I've said this many times. Why would my saying again surprise you?

Economy's for shit. I expect losses in the House. I still hope/expect to keep the Senate.

799 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:10:39pm

re: #795 palomino

He borrowed 3 tril because Bernanke, Paulson, Volcker, et al. told him the entire economy would collapse otherwise. Much of the money was paid back by banks and car companies, so it's not a net loss of 3 tril.

Most of the borrowing was for bailouts and stimulus. So again, I'll ask the question: should Obama (and Bush before him) have just let banks and insurance cos. fail, causing the whole econ to go into a 1930 type free fall?

Oh, please. The stimulus and the bailouts have been complete failures. Try again.

800 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:10:41pm

re: #796 SanFranciscoZionist

Romney's got the look. I don't know as he has anything else, but he does have the hair and the chin to lead.

sorry he is old news... as I have said MANY time before the candidate will be someone we have barley heard of.

801 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:11:05pm

re: #796 SanFranciscoZionist

Romney's got the look. I don't know as he has anything else, but he does have the hair and the chin to lead.

LOL...he does have those.

802 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:11:15pm

re: #797 SanFranciscoZionist

Only in our age is losing weight considered a form of redemption.

But gaining weight can get you on Social Security Disability Insurance.

803 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:11:58pm

re: #800 brookly red

sorry he is old news... as I have said MANY time before the candidate will be someone we have barley heard of.

Chris Christie 2012!

804 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:12:07pm

re: #794 brookly red

well debt service is a bitch... but hey we won't be here to see it.

you don't think we've been serviceing the debt accumulated in the reagan administration for the past thirty years?

the percentage of the federal deficit dedicated to debt service ballooned from the usual 5-6% to nearly 10% for a few years, because of the reagan era debt

then it went back down again

however, in an inflationary universe, all fixed interest payments will become, relatively, smaller over time

and - unless inflation stops - that's what will happen with the debt service from what is not paid back from the money obama and bush borrowed

805 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:12:20pm

re: #786 brookly red

talk about outta left field...

re: #786 brookly red

talk about outta left field...

It's apropos of your comment that people want to afford food. If SS is privatized and market-based, you'll have millions of seniors choosing between rent and food. People who invest badly deserve their losses, but homeless seniors isn't something we should really be willing to accept (any more than we already do).

806 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:12:30pm

re: #800 brookly red

sorry he is old news... as I have said MANY time before the candidate will be someone we have barley heard of.

You're probably right on that...but Romney does look damn presidential.

807 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:13:30pm

re: #797 SanFranciscoZionist

Only in our age is losing weight considered a form of redemption.

I am 52, I have a 33" waist same as in college... am I redeemed?

808 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:13:38pm

re: #799 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, please. The stimulus and the bailouts have been complete failures. Try again.

That's a right wing talking point you repeat because it makes you feel good.

If the money was paid back and the companies didn't go bankrupt, then by definition it was not a failure.

809 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:13:54pm

re: #799 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, please. The stimulus and the bailouts have been complete failures. Try again.

i could just as easily say that everything ronald reagan did was an utter failure

810 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:14:07pm

re: #803 NJDhockeyfan

Chris Christie 2012!

Obesity 2012!

811 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:14:43pm

re: #804 engineer dog

you don't think we've been serviceing the debt accumulated in the reagan administration for the past thirty years?

the percentage of the federal deficit dedicated to debt service ballooned from the usual 5-6% to nearly 10% for a few years, because of the reagan era debt

then it went back down again

however, in an inflationary universe, all fixed interest payments will become, relatively, smaller over time

and - unless inflation stops - that's what will happen with the debt service from what is not paid back from the money obama and bush borrowed

you do make a point... can you spare 100 bucks for a cup of coffee?

812 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:15:47pm

re: #806 SanFranciscoZionist

You're probably right on that...but Romney does look damn presidential.

well for that matter I like Thompson...

813 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:18:02pm

re: #807 brookly red

I am 52, I have a 33" waist same as in college... am I redeemed?

Perhaps you're one of the elect.

814 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:18:22pm

re: #810 palomino

Obesity 2012!

I will totally vote for the fat candidate.

815 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:18:45pm

re: #803 NJDhockeyfan

Chris Christie 2012!

/ OK, America is ready for a black president, America is ready for a woman president, America may even be ready for a gay president, but Christie is from Jersey... we ain't havin that!

816 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:19:09pm
Youtube Video

Weird Al for President!

817 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:19:22pm

re: #813 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps you're one of the elect.

Brooklyn should be a state you know...

818 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:19:44pm

OT:

My twin girls, both in third grade, just got their report cards last week. Some of you know we've been fighting with the school about one kid since kindergarten. They have been trying to tell us she's got ADD or something similar and suggested we put her on Ritalin. We said no, we will not drug our kids to make their jobs easier.

Both got straight A's and made the Honor Role. :)

819 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:20:30pm

re: #814 SanFranciscoZionist

I will totally vote for the fat candidate.

get FVB on the phone!

820 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:21:23pm

re: #800 brookly red

...as I have said MANY time before the candidate will be someone we have barley heard of.

Oh. Hell. Yes.

Forget the Rs, fuck the Ds, Beer Party for the Fucking Win!

821 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:21:32pm

re: #815 brookly red

/ OK, America is ready for a black president, America is ready for a woman president, America may even be ready for a gay president, but Christie is from Jersey... we ain't havin that!

and if you mention Snookie I will send a drone for you...

822 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:21:46pm

Bush Total

01/20/2000: 5,706,174,969,873.86
01/20/2009: 10,626,877,048,913.08
_____________________________
Difference: +4,920,702,079,039.22

Obama Partial

01/20/2009: 10,626,877,048,913.08
10/20/2010: 13,667,947,376,827.80
_____________________________
Difference: +3,041,070,327,914.72

Bush's Similar to Obama Partial

01/19/2007: 8,675,085,083,537.48
10/20/2010: 10,464,889,644,552.18
_____________________________
Difference: +1,789,804,561,014.70

Roughly +1.3 trillion more than Bush's last years. Bush's figures won't include TARP and other economic recovery funds such as the Bush GM bailouts.

823 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:21:57pm

re: #819 brookly red

get FVB on the phone!

He will promise a vegetable in every pot!

824 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:22:48pm

re: #821 brookly red

and if you mention Snookie I will send a drone for you...

Snookie is a fake, she's from Long Island I believe.

825 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:24:26pm

re: #824 NJDhockeyfan

Snookie is a fake, she's from Long Island I believe.

Oh yeah, Longguyland... the other Jersey ;)

826 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:25:33pm

re: #825 brookly red

Oh yeah, Longguyland... the other Jersey ;)

We don't claim to have anything to do with LI. NY owns it.

827 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:26:12pm

re: #818 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

My twin girls, both in third grade, just got their report cards last week. Some of you know we've been fighting with the school about one kid since kindergarten. They have been trying to tell us she's got ADD or something similar and suggested we put her on Ritalin. We said no, we will not drug our kids to make their jobs easier.

Both got straight A's and made the Honor Role. :)

Same thing happened to our daughter in kindergarten. We had a meeting with the teacher. The lady told me she though it would be a good idea to put our daughter on medication to get her to focus better. I laughed at the lady and told here she was nuts. My wife wasn't happy with my response fearing that the teacher would treat here differently.

The teacher got over it and our daughter is now in 5th grade and has no problems in school.

You are making the correct decision.

828 Kruk  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:26:13pm

re: #820 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh. Hell. Yes.

Forget the Rs, fuck the Ds, Beer Party for the Fucking Win!

We've had too many from Yale! It's time for Ale!

829 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:27:25pm

re: #827 joest73

Same thing happened to our daughter in kindergarten. We had a meeting with the teacher. The lady told me she though it would be a good idea to put our daughter on medication to get her to focus better. I laughed at the lady and told here she was nuts. My wife wasn't happy with my response fearing that the teacher would treat here differently.

The teacher got over it and our daughter is now in 5th grade and has no problems in school.

You are making the correct decision.

If you need to medicate, really, you'll know it. I've had kids on meds, and kids off. Better to try without, first, and if it works, it works.

830 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:28:11pm

re: #826 NJDhockeyfan

We don't claim to have anything to do with LI. NY owns it.

well to be fair brooklyn is actually on long island...

but we don't need no stinking feds to seal our border!

831 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:28:28pm

You know what's weird?

I already voted.

That's Oregon. I just have to wait a few weeks to know how the election turned out.

832 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:30:05pm

I have ADHD. Was recommended to take ritalin as a kid. I don't really remember how I responded but my mom says it didn't work for me. Was on concerta for much of my K-12 school life. Been off it in college and my grades have never been better though I think being free of distractions at home has helped there too.

833 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:32:28pm

re: #832 HappyWarrior

I have ADHD. Was recommended to take ritalin as a kid. I don't really remember how I responded but my mom says it didn't work for me. Was on concerta for much of my K-12 school life. Been off it in college and my grades have never been better though I think being free of distractions at home has helped there too.

drugs are not the answer... you are living proof. stay strong.

834 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:32:30pm

re: #827 joest73

Same thing happened to our daughter in kindergarten. We had a meeting with the teacher. The lady told me she though it would be a good idea to put our daughter on medication to get her to focus better. I laughed at the lady and told here she was nuts. My wife wasn't happy with my response fearing that the teacher would treat here differently.

The teacher got over it and our daughter is now in 5th grade and has no problems in school.

You are making the correct decision.

The kindergarten teacher started with the meds bullshit on the 3rd week of school because she wouldn't sit down when asked every time. I was like "WTF, is this unusual for a 5 year old?' I refer to her as Mrs ADD now.

835 palomino  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:33:43pm

re: #822 Gus 802

Bush Total

01/20/2000: 5,706,174,969,873.86
01/20/2009: 10,626,877,048,913.08
___
Difference: +4,920,702,079,039.22

Obama Partial

01/20/2009: 10,626,877,048,913.08
10/20/2010: 13,667,947,376,827.80
___
Difference: +3,041,070,327,914.72

Bush's Similar to Obama Partial

01/19/2007: 8,675,085,083,537.48
10/20/2010: 10,464,889,644,552.18
___
Difference: +1,789,804,561,014.70

Roughly +1.3 trillion more than Bush's last years. Bush's figures won't include TARP and other economic recovery funds such as the Bush GM bailouts.

You with your facts and stats. But it doesn't fit anybody's talking points at all.

Obama inherited the worst economic shit sandwich of any prez since FDR. He did what anyone -- Hillary, McCain, Bush -- would have done to prevent a repeat of 1929.

836 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:34:19pm

re: #829 SanFranciscoZionist

If you need to medicate, really, you'll know it. I've had kids on meds, and kids off. Better to try without, first, and if it works, it works.

Yep...We knew she didn't need it. That doesn't me that it would work for all kids.

837 Gus  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:36:47pm

re: #835 palomino

You with your facts and stats. But it doesn't fit anybody's talking points at all.

Obama inherited the worst economic shit sandwich of any prez since FDR. He did what anyone -- Hillary, McCain, Bush -- would have done to prevent a repeat of 1929.

Yep. And as noted the debt was already at $10,626,877,048,913.08 on 1/20/2009. Yes, more has been spent in the past year and a half but there were different circumstances. I didn't figure out the trajectory but I have seen graphs before and it's at the same trajectory.

838 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:37:08pm

re: #834 NJDhockeyfan

The kindergarten teacher started with the meds bullshit on the 3rd week of school because she wouldn't sit down when asked every time. I was like "WTF, is this unusual for a 5 year old?' I refer to her as Mrs ADD now.

Funny....sounds exactly like what we went through... I loved laughing at the lady. I am sure she expected us to agree with her.

839 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:38:43pm

re: #829 SanFranciscoZionist

If you need to medicate, really, you'll know it. I've had kids on meds, and kids off. Better to try without, first, and if it works, it works.

Thank you for this comment, SFZ. My son is on meds. Several of them and he needs them to be able to function in a school setting. (His physician is a neurologist BTW.) The situation is hardly perfect but I'd rather he be able to learn than not. Even with meds we are in daily (yes, daily. Maybe every other day in a really really good week) contact with the school staff & teachers. Some days we are in touch multiple times, even with a med regimen.

I am glad to hear of your child's success, but I do hope you don't automatically assume that it's always going to be that way for everyone.

840 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:40:11pm

re: #838 joest73

Funny...sounds exactly like what we went through... I loved laughing at the lady. I am sure she expected us to agree with her.

I want to tell her about my kid's tremendous grades next time I see her. She should just teach instead of playing doctor in the school.

841 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:44:09pm

re: #839 wlewisiii

Thank you for this comment, SFZ. My son is on meds. Several of them and he needs them to be able to function in a school setting. (His physician is a neurologist BTW.) The situation is hardly perfect but I'd rather he be able to learn than not. Even with meds we are in daily (yes, daily. Maybe every other day in a really really good week) contact with the school staff & teachers. Some days we are in touch multiple times, even with a med regimen.

I am glad to hear of your child's success, but I do hope you don't automatically assume that it's always going to be that way for everyone.

My babysitter has a kid in high school who was diagnosed with ADD and placed on Ritalin when he was in elementary school. She said it helped him. I wasn't going to just go with meds the first month of kindergarten. So far it's been great. She's in 3rd grade and reading on a 6th grade level. I just think she's so smart they couldn't grasp it.

842 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:44:13pm

re: #834 NJDhockeyfan

The kindergarten teacher started with the meds bullshit on the 3rd week of school because she wouldn't sit down when asked every time. I was like "WTF, is this unusual for a 5 year old?' I refer to her as Mrs ADD now.

I stood stone-like at midnight, suspended in my masquerade
I combed my hair till it was just right and commanded the night brigade
I was open to pain and crossed by the rain and I walked on a crooked crutch
I strolled all alone through a fallout zone and come out with my soul untouched
I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, but when they said, "Sit down," I stood up
Ooh... growin' up

843 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:46:01pm

re: #839 wlewisiii

Thank you for this comment, SFZ. My son is on meds. Several of them and he needs them to be able to function in a school setting. (His physician is a neurologist BTW.) The situation is hardly perfect but I'd rather he be able to learn than not. Even with meds we are in daily (yes, daily. Maybe every other day in a really really good week) contact with the school staff & teachers. Some days we are in touch multiple times, even with a med regimen.

I am glad to hear of your child's success, but I do hope you don't automatically assume that it's always going to be that way for everyone.

It's very individual, I find, to the kid, the family, and the school. I don't particularly take sides in any of the debates...I just want each student to have what's gonna work for him or her. I DO very strongly believe in testing and diagnosing, regardless of how you choose at the time to deal with it, and having an IEP, even if it's very very low-key. It's invaluable later on.

We'd get kids struggling in late high school, and they'd never have had an IEP. We'd be scrambling, just so they'd have something to take to college. It gets harder to start the process the older the child gets.

844 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:47:08pm

re: #841 NJDhockeyfan

My babysitter has a kid in high school who was diagnosed with ADD and placed on Ritalin when he was in elementary school. She said it helped him. I wasn't going to just go with meds the first month of kindergarten. So far it's been great. She's in 3rd grade and reading on a 6th grade level. I just think she's so smart they couldn't grasp it.

I talked to our first-grade teacher yesterday. She said last year she had kids who couldn't spell out CAT, and a kid who was reading "The Lightning Thief" on his own.

845 joest73  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:47:57pm

re: #840 NJDhockeyfan

I want to tell her about my kid's tremendous grades next time I see her. She should just teach instead of playing doctor in the school.

I reacted that way because I had a 9th grade math teacher tell my parents that I would never get into college because I didn't understand algebra. I told the teacher during the parent-teacher meeting that she was the problem...that she didn't know how how to teach math.

Well 10 years later my brother had the same teacher at Bishop McCort high school. My parents let here know that I did just fine in college...making the engineering deans list several times.

846 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:51:37pm

Goodnight, all.

847 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:51:58pm

re: #844 SanFranciscoZionist

I talked to our first-grade teacher yesterday. She said last year she had kids who couldn't spell out CAT, and a kid who was reading "The Lightning Thief" on his own.

A girl on the bus in the 4th grade got 2 F's and was so happy about it. She told my daughter she wanted to fail 4th grade and take it over again. WTF is wrong with her parents?

848 brookly red  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:52:02pm

Shockwave flash is attacking my computer again... I could re-boot but at this point I would rather just say good night, go to sleep & dream of having a Mac...


may the creators of shockwave flash have the mother of all hemoroids. by windows I curse them. *spit*

849 Jadespring  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:54:28pm

re: #844 SanFranciscoZionist

I talked to our first-grade teacher yesterday. She said last year she had kids who couldn't spell out CAT, and a kid who was reading "The Lightning Thief" on his own.

My nephew is in grade two and is reading at a grade 6/7 level. He started to read before he could barely talk. Last year in grade 1 they had a substitute for a month and she yabbered a bit about possible ADD because focusing issues. My sister listened politely and shrugged it off. His regular teacher last year and this year completely understand what he needs 'to focus', basically things that don't bore him to tears. So that's what they give him and he's fine. He loves school.

850 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 9:56:13pm

I think I had a lot of pride issues about my disabilites as a kid. Part of having Asperger's Syndrome means my handwriting is really hard to read. I was offered an alphasmart, sort of like portable word processor but not a laptop. I used it on and off but I hated using it. I think I was filled with pride in my abilities and another part was that whenever I Wanted to print stuff out I had to go to another room to do so. Now, if it had been more like a laptop which I use now for my colelge notes, I probably would have done it. I hated being made feel different about my disabilites and being taken out of class for it. I remember being upset because I missed a friend's mock marriage to Pamela Anderson in sixth grade. I know, silly as hell but prior to my Asperger's diagnosis I was convinced I was more similiar to my peers than I am. I realize now that I Am different but I am also more comfortable in my own shoes than I was back then. My youngest brother is 9 and it really amazes me how smart and intelelctually curious he is. He loves going to the library and getting new books. There was one time though when he didn't have a library book so he wandered in to my room/personal library and picked up my copy of All Quiet on the Western Front. He didn't read all of it but the fact that he showed interest in it all amazed me. My parents tell me he's been getting all A's by and large. Who knows he could be the first in our famiyl to attend an extremely elite university someday.

851 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 10:13:49pm

re: #182 Walter L. Newton

Because in this world, if you don't cover your ass, you get shit on... next question.

Covering your ass is one thing

Actively trying to fuck other people over and make their lives worse, that's something else!

852 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 10:16:49pm

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

If Americans are so happy with that why are they going to vote most of them out of office in 12 days?

You know, for old dudes, some of you just don't know history

Every midterm, president's party gets hammered, that's how it works

853 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 10:18:56pm

re: #728 NJDhockeyfan

We are paying severely for that. America has had enough and are going to clean out the swamp.

hahaha are you made entirely out of GOP cliches?

854 Monkeyboy  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 11:12:08pm

By hiring Juan Williams Fox News is now about 10 times more racially diverse than NPR, which now has ZERO african-Americans commentators.

855 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 11:23:09pm

Oh brother.

856 garhighway  Thu, Oct 21, 2010 11:44:30pm

re: #847 NJDhockeyfan

A girl on the bus in the 4th grade got 2 F's and was so happy about it. She told my daughter she wanted to fail 4th grade and take it over again. WTF is wrong with her parents?

They have a long term plan. When she grows up, she'll run for Senate as a Tea Partier.

857 joest73  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 12:00:46am

re: #856 garhighway

They have a long term plan. When she grows up, she'll run for Senate as a Tea Partier.

They will be straight party Democratic voters.

858 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 4:22:20am

re: #854 JustaDummy

You're lying-- you know that, right?

Vertamae Grosvenor

Took me five seconds to find her.

I'm sure there are plenty of others; you're just making shit up. As usual.

859 Gorelick  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 5:56:18am

re: #858 Obdicut

You're lying-- you know that, right?

Vertamae Grosvenor

Took me five seconds to find her.

I'm sure there are plenty of others; you're just making shit up. As usual.

What's the difference between a "correspondent" and a "commentator"? Maybe Juan Williams should be challenged too since he spoke of the lack of diversity at NPR. More lies from Juan.

860 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 6:34:40am

re: #859 Gorelick

Commentators are lower down on the totem pole, basically.

But there is still a black commentator at NPR, as well as black executive producers, foreign correspondents, etc. It's just concern trolling from assholes who would object if NPR explicitly hired black people because they were black, anyway.

[Link: www.npr.org...]
[Link: www.marioarmstrong.com...]

861 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 7:34:56am

re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote

If you listen to the whole interview, Williams was actually scolding O'Reilly about his View comments. I think that NPR wanted to get rid of Williams, and like him or not I think that it makes NPR look small.

I don't really understand all the outrage over FOX. We have the whole expanse of the media out there and there's one entity that has a different perspective. I think the real problem in the rest of the media is the thing that really sets FOX apart- they are fantastically profitable. And that just pisses the other folks off.

It bothers the establishment that they are profitable and that we are still after all a center right country. ([Link: www.gallup.com...] This also pisses off the vast majority of the self appointed enlightened members of the media at large. The whole 4 branch of government and the fact that most 'journalist' feel their job is a calling.

The modern American media establishment is and behaves more like a religion than a point of view. How else could you explain the fact that 75% of Americans describe themselves as moderate or conservative and the majority of those (40% to 35%) describe themselves as conservative. FOX has shown the whole establishment the blue print for developing a profitable news franchise and yet not one of the other news organizations have tried to compete at their game. Clearly they are leaving money on the table. That is why I contend that the media establishment behaves like a religion because sacrifice, in this case profits, are a major tenant in most religions.

862 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:20:16am

re: #861 NC Gray

How do you manage to rail on 'the media' while talking about how great FOX is?

Does that make your brain hurt at all?

863 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:27:22am

re: #862 Obdicut

no not really should it?

864 joest73  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:37:44am

re: #861 NC Gray

If you listen to the whole interview, Williams was actually scolding O'Reilly about his View comments. I think that NPR wanted to get rid of Williams, and like him or not I think that it makes NPR look small.

Well when media matters decides to go after someone they will conveniently leave out the context of the entire segment to get the results they want.

Media Matters perfected this trick long before Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart.

865 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:48:43am

re: #863 NC Gray

no not really should it?

Yes, it really should. FOX is the most dominant news station. They are the main stream media. Yet people like you, who want to attack the media, somehow pretend FOX is not mainstream. I don't get it.

866 MinisterO  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 8:58:36am

re: #861 NC Gray

FOX has shown the whole establishment the blue print for developing a profitable news franchise and yet not one of the other news organizations have tried to compete at their game. Clearly they are leaving money on the table.

Oh what a glorious nation we'll be when MSNBC fully embraces the Fox News model, with that seamless integration of opinion and selective reporting, where facts frequently become casualties of the narrative.

867 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:06:39am

re: #865 Obdicut

Forgive me for not communicating clearly enough- I do believe that FOX does convey the sentiment of the largest segment of American public political thought. That is my premise. I don't like the term mainstream media. But I view the media as FOX on one side and nearly everyone else on the other.

I was simply speaking to the idea that many seem to have that FOX is literally evil and all others in the media are doing the 'lords' work. I generally like to hear political thought that I don't agree with it makes me think, helps to more complete form my opinions- I don't see that opinion expressed very much here and other sites.

I enjoy many NPR programs: 'Fresh Air', 'Tavis Smiley', Morning/Weekend Edition & All Things Considered. But I can hardly watch a thing on MSNBC. It is Juvenal and not at all thought provoking or entertaining. I believe that it is that way because the folks that produce and preform on the network are practicing their religion.

868 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:09:54am

re: #866 MinisterO

I wouldn't expect MSNBC to fully embrace the FOX model. But they don't have a single program that would appeal to conservative viewers.

By the way, I do believe that America is a Glorious country- MSNBC and NPR not with standing.

869 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:27:14am

re: #868 NC Gray

Why do you need to lie to make your points?

MSNBC Video
870 MinisterO  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:31:18am

re: #868 NC Gray

But they don't have a single program that would appeal to conservative viewers.

MSNBC has a 3-hour daily show called Mornin Joe hosted by former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough. The problem for MSNBC is that Mornin Joe runs in the same slot as Fox and Friends.

Viewers can get a pure fix from Fox, untainted by reality. MSNBC can't compete with that, short of becoming it.

871 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:41:35am

re: #869 Obdicut

Hmm, did not mean to disrespect brother Joe-
I must confess that I did in fact lie. I watch Morning Joe a few times a week. Although I will say that Joe is not the same Joe that served in congress. It is interesting to note that Morning Joe is the highest rated (as a percentage not total viewers) than any other show on MSNBC.

Please accept my apology.

872 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:42:19am

re: #870 MinisterO

Please see my comment #871.

873 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 9:48:55am

re: #871 NC Gray

Just try to avoid lying in the future. I doubt you're going to be able to. You're a committed ideologue.

874 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 10:10:13am

re: #859 Gorelick

What's the difference between a "correspondent" and a "commentator"? Maybe Juan Williams should be challenged too since he spoke of the lack of diversity at NPR. More lies from Juan.

Wow. Lots of lies in here this morning.

This one is a sock puppet, banned twice before for raving about Barack Obama and spewing insults.

Speaking of "lies."

875 califleftyb  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 10:22:59am

NPR has been down this road before with Nina Totenberg, yet although her comments seemed much more inflammatory, the consequences were far less. See this: [Link: www.npr.org...]

876 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 10:58:44am

re: #874 Charles

Banedre: #873 Obdicut

Are you committed to what you believe? Do you want everyone to believe exactly as you believe?

877 MinisterO  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 10:59:57am

re: #875 califleftyb

God forbid NPR should learn from its past. That ombudsman's piece from 2003 could have been written yesterday:

There is a danger whenever NPR reporters appear in other media that do not have the same standards of journalism. NPR risks its own reputation by lending its own legitimacy to any media that may practice a different standard of journalism.

878 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:00:50am

re: #876 NC Gray

Are you committed to what you believe?

That's not a meaningful question.

Do you want everyone to believe exactly as you believe?

Hell no.

879 MinisterO  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:14:17am

re: #876 NC Gray

Banedre: #873 Obdicut

Are you committed to what you believe? Do you want everyone to believe exactly as you believe?

Now you're complaining about being called a liar? Really?

880 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:25:53am

re: #879 MinisterO

I have not complained about anything-

I was called a committed ideologue which is fine, but believe the description would fit you both as well. And that is fine too, but it makes the accusation irrelevant!

881 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:29:30am

re: #880 NC Gray

But you're wrong.

See, neither of us have blatantly lied because we were so committed to the ideological position we took.

You did.

882 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:40:20am

re: #881 Obdicut

I did not blatantly lie- When I wrote what I wrote I was thinking primarily about the prime time lineup of both networks.

As simple omission, still it doesn't negate the points that I raised. Thanks for expressing your concerns regarding my veracity.

883 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:46:13am

re: #882 NC Gray

Oh for god's sake, show some personal responsibility.

884 NC Gray  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:53:18am

re: #883 Obdicut

I apologized. I took responsibility. I have explained and I am leaving this thread after this comment.

You have begun to remind me of my first wife. (Please resist the temptation to ask if it was my lying that lead to the demise of our marriage- was not it was her constant nagging.)

Have a great day! I am sure that we will spar again on a future thread.

885 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 11:58:29am

re: #884 NC Gray

What you really should do is examine why you lied in the first place.

886 theMattHatter  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 3:24:16pm

re: #14 APox

Without going into motivation or ulterior motives, was his comment really that bigoted? I mean, what is the goal of terrorism? To make us so afraid that we give in to their demands, right? And what is the most visible tactic of terrorists today? Airplane hijacking comes to mind, no?

As I said, all else aside, it seems to me that there are far more incendiary things he could of said, had he been purposely trying to offend. I admit that I have a favorable opinion of Williams, and I may be missing part of the picture, but it just doesn't seem to be that horrible of a thing to say. Can you show me how I'm wrong? (seriously; I'm not trying to be argumentative out of spite)

887 MinisterO  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 4:43:34pm

re: #886 theMattHatter

Without going into motivation or ulterior motives, was his comment really that bigoted?

He expressed a prejudice and obstinately defended it as rational. That's garden-variety bigotry, certainly not the worst kind.

I mean, what is the goal of terrorism? To make us so afraid that we give in to their demands, right? And what is the most visible tactic of terrorists today? Airplane hijacking comes to mind, no?

It's precisely this rationalization that makes Juan's statement bigoted.

As I said, all else aside, it seems to me that there are far more incendiary things he could of said, had he been purposely trying to offend.

Agreed. He could have gone a lot further without jeopardizing his contract with Fox News.

I admit that I have a favorable opinion of Williams, and I may be missing part of the picture, but it just doesn't seem to be that horrible of a thing to say. Can you show me how I'm wrong? (seriously; I'm not trying to be argumentative out of spite)

I don't know that you're wrong. I don't know exactly what your point is. If NPR is truly trying to maintain high journalistic standards then firing Juan over this is totally justified.

888 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 22, 2010 5:41:34pm

re: #576 brookly red

says you

wow, the dumb burns

889 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 23, 2010 1:46:26pm

re: #886 theMattHatter

Airplane hijacking comes to mind, no?

No.

890 theMattHatter  Sat, Oct 23, 2010 3:37:33pm

re: #887 MinisterO

re: #887 MinisterO

I don't know that you're wrong. I don't know exactly what your point is. If NPR is truly trying to maintain high journalistic standards then firing Juan over this is totally justified.


All I meant was this: When I heard what Williams said, I got the impression that he was talking about a gut reaction he has, under a certain set of circumstances. And it seemed to me that he was saying it not to justify or rationalize it, but to to point out that it is wrong, whether involuntary or not. I was just looking for peoples opinions on it. From what I'd seen, it seemed like he was taking a pretty good beating(a beating delivered by a pillow case full of bills, of course, so it's far from all bad), and I just wanted to hear opinions.

891 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 24, 2010 4:11:28am

re: #890 theMattHatter

And it seemed to me that he was saying it not to justify or rationalize it, but to to point out that it is wrong, whether involuntary or not.

Except that he said absolutely nothing that would make one come to that conclusion.


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