The GOP’s Hostage Strategy

Crazy bill passed by GOP House
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Here we go, folks. The final stretch of the GOP’s hostage strategy.

WASHINGTON — Defying a veto threat, the Republican-controlled House passed legislation Tuesday night to slice federal spending by $6 trillion and require a constitutional balanced budget amendment to be sent to the states in exchange for averting a threatened government default.

The 234-190 vote marked the power of deeply conservative first-term Republicans, and stood in contrast to stirrings at the White House and in the Senate on a renewed effort at bipartisanship to solve the looming debt crisis.

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1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:16:02pm

*deleted*

Honestly, this is one of those times where I wonder, "What kind of person actually sits down, thinks about these things, and says, 'Oh, this is a great idea'?"

2 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:16:20pm

LOL @ stupid Republicans, so where are the extra votes going to come from to pass that amendment?

3 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:21:14pm

Why is 'deeply conservative' now synonymous with 'deeply crazy'? Seriously, why is this 'conservatism' not being called what it really is?

4 palomino  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:21:26pm

Bipartisanship just isn't in the tp vocabulary. Obama offers them 90% of what they want, and they recoil in horror. The far right would rather lose fighting a hardcore ideological battle (regardless of collateral damage) than to compromise and get on with the governing of the country.

5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:23:02pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

LOL @ stupid Republicans, so where are the extra votes going to come from to pass that amendment?

Who needs extra votes when you can just point and cry at Obama?

6 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:23:51pm

These people need to learn the word "compromise." I will even give them a push in the correct direction. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

7 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:24:16pm

Pg. 24:
"The Commission recommends gradually increasing the per gallon gas tax by 15 cents between 2013 and 2015."

8 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:24:24pm

re: #5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Who needs extra votes when you can just point and cry at Obama?

Political grandstanding at its worst. America's credit rating about to get docked? Valuable government programs in danger? Who the hell cares, we've got cheap political points to score with our base!

9 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:25:04pm

re: #7 jaunte

Ouch. that will hurt.

10 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:25:06pm

This exercise is just to provide figleaves after the President (and reality) hands them their asses and they go back to their low-information electorate with an inevitable tax increase.

11 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:25:28pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

Political grandstanding at its worst. America's credit rating about to get docked? Valuable government programs in danger? Who the hell cares, we've got cheap political points to score with our base!

Lucky for them, they have a base dumb and stupid enough to fall for it.

Again.

12 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:25:51pm

1.10.3 "Impose a three-year pay freeze on federal workers and Defense Department civilians."

13 darthstar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:26:11pm

Six T R I L L I O N N N S D O L L A R S...They should have gone for 14 Trillion in the next year and wiped out the debt, deficit and their 2012 election chances in the same 24 hours.

14 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:26:18pm

re: #12 jaunte
Oy.

15 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:26:30pm

re: #12 jaunte

1.10.3 "Impose a three-year pay freeze on federal workers and Defense Department civilians."

Balancing it on the backs of workers.

Nice.

16 darthstar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:26:44pm

re: #12 jaunte

1.10.3 "Impose a three-year pay freeze on federal workers and Defense Department civilians."

When they say "pay freeze" they mean suspend all pay.

17 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:26:50pm

re: #6 PhillyPretzel

These people need to learn the word "compromise." I will even give them a push in the correct direction. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

"I reject the word."
-John Boehner.

18 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:28:26pm

Tax rates for Individuals
In 2010, six brackets: 10%|15%|25%| 28%|33%|35%

In 2011, five brackets: 15%|28%|31%|36%|39.6%

Illustrative Proposal (Fully Phased In): Three brackets: 12%|22%|28%

19 JAFO  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:28:28pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

*deleted*

Honestly, this is one of those times where I wonder, "What kind of person actually sits down, thinks about these things, and says, 'Oh, this is a great idea'?"

Have you ever done LSD?

20 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:28:56pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank
He can reject it all he wants. It is in many dictionaries. Not unless he wants to edit all of them to eliminate said word.

21 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:29:01pm

re: #19 mracb

Have you ever done LSD?

Reminds me of the pot scenes from That 70's Show.

22 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:29:24pm

c'mon...get it out of your system....
the Feds!...coming soon to a town near you!

23 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:29:36pm

re: #4 palomino

Bipartisanship just isn't in the tp vocabulary. Obama offers them 90% of what they want, and they recoil in horror. The far right would rather lose fighting a hardcore ideological battle (regardless of collateral damage) than to compromise and get on with the governing of the country.

I can't help but be reminded of the Second Camp David Summit, where Arafat was offered virtually 95% of all his demands, but said that they were "not enough," and instead declared the beginning of the Second Intifada.

24 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:29:51pm

Capital Gains and Dividends
In 2010, top rate of 15% for capital gains and dividends.
In 2011, top rate of 20% for capital gains, and dividends taxed as ordinary income.4
All capital gains and dividends taxed at ordinary income rates.5

4 Collectibles (e.g., coin, art, antiques) are taxed at 28% and unrecaptured gain on real estate is taxed at 25%.
5 An alternative could be to exclude a portion of capital gains and dividends from income (e.g. 20%), reducing the effective top rate on investment income. To offset this while maintaining progressivity in the code, the top rate on ordinary income would need to be increased.

25 darthstar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:30:37pm

re: #19 mracb

Have you ever done LSD?

LSD doesn't make you stupid...at least not THAT stupid.

26 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:32:35pm

re: #24 jaunte

I wish they'd tie capital gains to inflation, and then raise it to the level of ordinary income.

27 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:33:23pm

They also need to learn a few lessons from this historic figure. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

28 JAFO  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:34:30pm

re: #25 darthstar

LSD doesn't make you stupid...at least not THAT stupid.

Sometimes ones thoughts can be so abstract that the brilliance is lost on the non-spaced observer. ;)

29 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:34:41pm

Medical malpractice reform:

2) Imposing a statute of limitations – perhaps one to three years – on medical malpractice lawsuits;
30 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:35:00pm

re: #20 PhillyPretzel

He can reject it all he wants. It is in many dictionaries. Not unless he wants to edit all of them to eliminate said word.

NPR's Fresh Air ran a great segment on the GOP's rejection of the word today, by linguist Geof Nunberg. I listened to it this morning while driving up to Saint Babs.

31 palomino  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:35:34pm

re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I can't help but be reminded of the Second Camp David Summit, where Arafat was offered virtually 95% of all his demands, but said that they were "not enough," and instead declared the beginning of the Second Intifada.

Good point. I don't want to straight up compare today's Republicans with a terrorist. But there is a similarity in mindset. An all-or-nothing approach trumps the pragmatism of actually getting a deal done. And getting the deal done, in the first place, isn't really their number one priority.

32 darthstar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:35:34pm

re: #28 mracb

Sometimes ones thoughts can be so abstract that the brilliance is lost on the non-spaced observer. ;)

See? It all makes sense.

33 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:35:47pm

I got to go. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

34 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:37:44pm

re: #26 Obdicut

I wish they'd tie capital gains to inflation, and then raise it to the level of ordinary income.

I'm really worried that our Billionaires might have to pay a few more thousand dollars in Tax...They might not hire another person...Lawn care could go to hell..
That check could kill the economy..

35 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:37:51pm

re: #29 jaunte

Are you quoting from the gang of six one or this tea party one?

36 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:40:39pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I'm really worried that our Billionaires might have to pay a few more thousand dollars in Tax...They might not hire another person...Lawn care could go to hell..
That check could kill the economy..

Won't somebody think of the topiary artists at tenth vacation homes?

37 palomino  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:40:55pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I'm really worried that our Billionaires might have to pay a few more thousand dollars in Tax...They might not hire another person...Lawn care could go to hell..
That check could kill the economy..

It's as if the late 90s never happened. Like we never had budget surpluses or a strong economy when tax rates were slightly higher. Just more TP revisionist history.

38 mr.fusion  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:41:08pm

Chris Matthews absolutely dismantled this so-called "Cut Cap and Balance" plan tonight on Hardball......I don't really know how to embed videos here other than youtube, but I would highly recommend checking out the first two segments of his show tonight on this subject.

39 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:41:26pm

re: #35 Obdicut

It's the gang of six one, but my copy is out-of-date I think.

40 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:43:09pm

re: #39 jaunte

It's the gang of six one, but my copy is out-of-date I think.

Yeah. The gang of six one is pretty unimpressive. It doesn't engage with substantial tax return, and it's got a lot of sneaky hyper-conservative crap in it. However, it much more resembles a bargaining document than the tea party idiocy does.

41 mr.fusion  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:46:49pm

re: #39 jaunte

It's the gang of six one, but my copy is out-of-date I think.

Sounds like a late night Cinemax flick to me

42 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:50:41pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I'm really worried that our Billionaires might have to pay a few more thousand dollars in Tax...They might not hire another person...Lawn care could go to hell..
That check could kill the economy..

they have been sitting on their money for two years now...I don't think taxes bother them, it's the economic climate that has them pat...nobody is moving money

43 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:51:06pm

re: #40 Obdicut

Yeah. The gang of six one is pretty unimpressive. It doesn't engage with substantial tax return, and it's got a lot of sneaky hyper-conservative crap in it. However, it much more resembles a bargaining document than the tea party idiocy does.

I think it's fairly certain that the Tea Party Poopers have no intention of bargaining. They'll whine and fuss and throw a hissy fit, and give in quietly once the red meat has been served and eyes are off them.

44 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:52:59pm

re: #43 thedopefishlives

I think it's fairly certain that the Tea Party Poopers have no intention of bargaining. They'll whine and fuss and throw a hissy fit, and give in quietly once the red meat has been served and eyes are off them.

my feelings exactly...the party will end when it ends and nobody will remember a thing

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:57:47pm

REPUBLICAN ANUS

STAY AWAY FROM ME

REPUBLICAN ANUS

MAMA LET ME BE

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:58:43pm

re: #42 albusteve

well, to be fair, they have guys in switzerland whose asses they rent to sit on their money for them :D

47 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:59:21pm

Balanced budget? Seriously?

Why don't they outlaw mortgages while they are at it?

Why should "families" be allowed to borrow if their government can't?

Most people who work hard should be able to save enough to buy a car and a house by the time they are 65 or so, with something left over for retirement, if they can live that long.

48 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:59:27pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

REPUBLICAN ANUS

STAY AWAY FROM ME

REPUBLICAN ANUS

MAMA LET ME BE

Youtube Video
49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:00:57pm

re: #48 albusteve

i love those guys :D :D

50 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:01:25pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

REPUBLICAN ANUS

STAY AWAY FROM ME

REPUBLICAN ANUS

MAMA LET ME BE

Don’t come Hanging around my door I don’t want to see your face No more
I got more important Things to do Then spend my time Growing old with you
Republican Anus
Stay away from me

51 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:01:39pm

House Republicans: “If You Don’t Lower Taxes We’ll Shoot This Dog”

Leaders of both parties were meeting to end the impasse and had just opened the meeting when Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) gave a whistle. A door opened, and a Labrador retriever-English setter mix walked into the room.

“This is a dog,” Boehner said, lifting the dog up and setting him on a table. “And this is a Magnum.” Here he pulled out a revolver concealed inside his suit coat, and a number of startled Democrats recoiled and took cover.

“And these are negotiations,” Boehner continued, pointing the firearm at the dog, which whimpered and relieved itself on the table. “I don’t think I need to say much else. It’s in your hands.”

Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) noted that the gun was actually in Boehner’s hand.

52 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:02:07pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

i love those guys :D :D

I do too...oddly

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:02:30pm

re: #52 albusteve

their sweet home alabama is pretty genius

54 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:05:52pm

re: #53 WindUpBird

their sweet home alabama is pretty genius

I'm on it....
some relief from the phony world we live in

Youtube Video
55 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:06:17pm

re: #40 Obdicut


You remind me; I have to get back to you on evolution soon.

56 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:11:14pm

Alan West is a thin skinned little bitch.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]


Florida GOP Congressman Allen West this afternoon dispatched a scathing personal email to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, calling her “vile, unprofessional ,and despicable,” “a coward,” “characterless,” and “not a Lady,” and demanding that she “shut the heck up.”

Wasserman Schultz, in whose neighboring South Florida district West lives, provoked his tirade with remarks after he left the House floor today, in which she responded—without naming him—to the Tea Party freshman’s support for “Cut, Cap, and Balance” legislation to raise the debt ceiling.

“The gentleman from Florida. who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries, unbelievable from a Member from South Florida,” Wasserman Schultz said, saying the legislation “slashes Medicaid and critical investments essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for Big Oil, millionaires, and companies who ship American jobs overseas.”

This is what Teapublicans do when you tell the truth about them. Perhaps Democrats should do it more often, the response is always unattractive to say the least.

57 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:14:26pm

How much longer till the GOP claims criticizing them is religious intolerance?

58 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:17:54pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much longer till the GOP claims criticizing them is religious intolerance?

who cares?...fuck them

59 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:17:58pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NH Democratic Party accused of ‘religious intolerance’

60 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:18:19pm

re: #53 WindUpBird

its almost a cheapening of you guys loving on some good music, but "Sweet Home" makes me miss the good ol' days of making Mandy freak out by posting "Southern Man"

61 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:19:03pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much longer till the GOP claims criticizing them is religious intolerance?

White Conservative Christians are already the biggest victims of persecution in the country, you're way behind the times man!

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:19:18pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much longer till the GOP claims criticizing them is religious intolerance?

Hasn't that happened already? After all, the so called pro family groups that are attached to the GOP's hip always claim religious persecution when efforts to combat anti gay bullying are brought up. But anyhow regarding West, he just showed again why whiny Tea Party idiots like him are seen as jokes by many, they dish it out but can't handle any criticism.

63 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:19:23pm

re: #59 jaunte

NH Democratic Party accused of ‘religious intolerance’

Well, that didn't take long.

64 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:19:54pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's the go-to move.

65 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:22:35pm

re: #64 jaunte

It's the go-to move.

"I think you're wrong."
"STOP OPPRESSING ME!"

66 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:22:38pm

Has anyone found any definitive answers on whether or not social security checks will be affected by this?

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:24:51pm

re: #66 JasonA

Has anyone found any definitive answers on whether or not social security checks will be affected by this?

Today's action doesn't change anything. A couple more weeks of stupidity, and the Feds "can't guarantee".

68 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:25:09pm

David Brooks is not a happy man:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

69 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:25:54pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Today's action doesn't change anything. A couple more weeks of stupidity, and the Feds "can't guarantee".

I'm sorry, I only meant in the event the ceiling isn't raised. Even Obama wouldn't give us a clear answer on that score.

70 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:25:55pm

re: #61 windsagio

White Conservative Christians are already the biggest victims of persecution in the country, you're way behind the times man!

yeah, intolerance...like when they shove their religion in my face, then stumble into my fist in their enthusiasm...."I was just standing here officer when this person fell into my balled up hand, can you imagine?"

71 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:26:59pm

re: #69 JasonA

I'm sorry, I only meant in the event the ceiling isn't raised. Even Obama wouldn't give us a clear answer on that score.

BO is just as clueless as the rest...time for a vacation!

72 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:27:51pm

re: #68 austin_blue

David Brooks is not a happy man:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]



'Norquist is the Zelig of Republican catastrophe. His method is always the same. He enforces rigid ultimatums that make governance, or even thinking, impossible.'


++

73 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:31:37pm

re: #69 JasonA

I'm sorry, I only meant in the event the ceiling isn't raised. Even Obama wouldn't give us a clear answer on that score.

No one quite knows--we've never jumped off this particular cliff before. The real danger to the SS outlay would probably be unforeseen technical/legal shutdown screwups rather than deliberate triage.

74 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:32:19pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

No one quite knows--we've never jumped off this particular cliff before. The real danger to the SS outlay would probably be unforeseen technical/legal shutdown screwups rather than deliberate triage.

Whoa...

So this is the "hold my beer" moment of a nation...

75 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:32:58pm

re: #69 JasonA

I'm sorry, I only meant in the event the ceiling isn't raised. Even Obama wouldn't give us a clear answer on that score.

Short answer:

Available funds will be allocated on an "as available" basis. You can bet that the troops will come first, as is right and proper. They aren't going to shut down air traffic control or other critical transportation jobs. I would think that retirees will be next, along with critical Medicare bills. Medicaid payments will certainly be delayed. "Non-critical" Gubmint employees will be furloughed.

Let's face it. To feed the bulldog, we need to cut 40% of total Gubmint spending to match income.

You think we've got a jobs/housing problem now? These Teabillies have no idea what macroeconomics even means.

76 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:33:09pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

No one quite knows--we've never jumped off this particular cliff before. The real danger to the SS outlay would probably be unforeseen technical/legal shutdown screwups rather than deliberate triage.

I say go for it....show us your guts, take the plunge

77 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:33:32pm

have you ever wondered how ill informed a wingnut could possibly be?

i swear i did not make this comment up:

Funny how the liberal media is downplaying the fact that Africans apparently have more caveman ancestray then everyone else.

78 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:33:51pm

re: #74 JasonA

Whoa...

So this is the "hold my beer" moment of a nation...

With the GOP standing on the roof with a shitload of fireworks yelling to the neighbors "HEY! CHECK THIS SHIT OUT!"

79 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:35:44pm

re: #68 austin_blue

Brooks is kind of a douche. One of those useful shills who's so useful for presenting these terrible positions as if they're smart.

80 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:37:28pm

the Feds are so bloated that a freshman accountant could find an easy trillion in bar tabs within 72hours....this whole budget gig is a fraud, AmIdol shit

81 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:38:25pm

re: #76 albusteve

I say go for it...show us your guts, take the plunge

Even the casual decisions of massive nation-states kill some number of people early, all around the world. This one could kill more than most.

82 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:39:29pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Even the casual decisions of massive nation-states kill some number of people early, all around the world. This one could kill more than most.

life is cheap....getting re-elected can be expensive tho

83 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:40:50pm

re: #79 windsagio

Brooks is kind of a douche. One of those useful shills who's so useful for presenting these terrible positions as if they're smart.

I don't disagree. I've always found him kind of smarmy. But he nursed at the tit of his mentor, William Fabuckley, and he is old school.

(Buckley, by the way, would be up to about 650 RPM in his place of eternal reward based on what the GOP has become and is doing.)

84 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:41:32pm

re: #76 albusteve

I say go for it...show us your guts, take the plunge

Wars have been started over far less than this.

85 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:43:27pm

re: #84 JasonA

Wars have been started over far less than this.

oh my....really?
so if the debt is not raised, there will be a war?

86 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:44:05pm

re: #84 JasonA

Wars have been started over far less than this.

The difference between a Civil War and a Revolutionary War is which side wins.

87 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:45:01pm

BO should go to the American people and simply lay it out....if the debt ceiling is not raised, people will die, America will fall, and he will miss his next tee time

88 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:45:14pm

re: #83 austin_blue

He'd be all "Damn, I thought I had those retards tamed! What went wrong?!"

89 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:45:31pm

re: #85 albusteve

oh my...really?
so if the debt is not raised, there will be a war?

Actually, we find ourselves in two. There is no doubt that not lifting the debt ceiling would hasten our departure from both.

90 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:45:33pm

re: #87 albusteve

slip is showing again, steve-o :D

91 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:45:42pm

re: #87 albusteve

Speaking of AmIdol shit.

92 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:46:32pm

re: #89 austin_blue

Actually, we find ourselves in two. There is no doubt that not lifting the debt ceiling would hasten our departure from both.

whatever...is that bad?...you left out that part

93 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:47:31pm

re: #91 prononymous

Speaking of AmIdol shit.

right, thanks

94 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:48:13pm

re: #85 albusteve

oh my...really?
so if the debt is not raised, there will be a war?

Not likely. I'm only pointing out that the jump in out interest rates will affect every other country in the whole damn world. This is a bad thing, Steve.

95 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:49:08pm

re: #93 albusteve

right, thanks

No problem. Memes are obvious.

96 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:49:13pm

re: #87 albusteve

BO should go to the American people and simply lay it out...if the debt ceiling is not raised, people will die, America will fall, and he will miss his next tee time

Geez, Steve. That's not fair. The man has bent over backwards to compromise. As I said, our outflow is 40% above income. That's the deal.

97 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:49:55pm

re: #94 JasonA

Not likely. I'm only pointing out that the jump in out interest rates will affect every other country in the whole damn world. This is a bad thing, Steve.

what may be worse is how serious you take it...there will be no disaster, except if the Eagles win the East this season

98 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:50:04pm

re: #85 albusteve

oh my...really?
so if the debt is not raised, there will be a war?

Perhaps several, in odd places, if we are forced to cut back severely on our military force projection.

99 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:50:35pm

re: #95 prononymous

No problem. Memes are obvious.

they should be around here...people have worked their ass off

100 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:51:03pm

re: #92 albusteve

whatever...is that bad?...you left out that part

I'm a pragmatist. Is it bad we are still there? Yes. Would it be worse if we had all the troops home by Christmas? Yes.

101 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:51:32pm

re: #99 albusteve

they should be around here...people have worked their ass off

I'm now convinced that you don't give a shit about anything.

102 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:52:19pm

re: #96 austin_blue

Geez, Steve. That's not fair. The man has bent over backwards to compromise. As I said, our outflow is 40% above income. That's the deal.

I have nothing against BO personally, except he's the president and I have an aversion to presidents....they always remind me of Capone, but at least he could cook

103 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:52:56pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Perhaps several, in odd places, if we are forced to cut back severely on our military force projection.

I wonder how much oil goes up when the US Navy doesn't have enough funding to patrol the Gulf? Also, so long Republic of Taiwan, it was nice knowing you.

104 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:53:38pm

Reproductive rights in exchange for mythical "jobs"
House Republican Women: "America Needs Jobs"

Youtube Video
105 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:53:46pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Perhaps several, in odd places, if we are forced to cut back severely on our military force projection.

sometimes I accidently even wonder about that

106 calochortus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:53:48pm

re: #77 engineer dog

have you ever wondered how ill informed a wingnut could possibly be?

i swear i did not make this comment up:

Funny how the liberal media is downplaying the fact that Africans apparently have more caveman ancestray then everyone else.

Ah yes, and the rest of us have more Neanderthal ancestry. That certainly moves us up the ladder doesn't it?

107 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:54:01pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

I wonder how much oil goes up when the US Navy doesn't have enough funding to patrol the Gulf? Also, so long Republic of Taiwan, it was nice knowing you.

That's the Province of Formosa to you, round eyes...

108 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:54:46pm

I need Jobs

109 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:55:24pm

re: #101 JasonA

I'm now convinced that you don't give a shit about anything.

I'm not an echo, but I was trying to like you to make up for it

110 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:56:11pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

I wonder how much oil goes up when the US Navy doesn't have enough funding to patrol the Gulf? Also, so long Republic of Taiwan, it was nice knowing you.

and the Chinese are headed for deep water

111 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:56:50pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.

112 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:56:52pm

Does being condemned to eternal hell and damnation for using birth control count as a job?

113 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:57:05pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I need Jobs

Okey dokey then:

[Link: www.leadership-with-you.com...]

114 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:57:53pm

re: #111 windsagio

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.

how would they do that?

115 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:58:53pm

re: #111 windsagio

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.

For the time being, they and the Norks, and the Pakistanis, and the Iranians, and a whole bunch of other people have to weigh the consequences.

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:00:45pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Okey dokey then:

[Link: www.leadership-with-you.com...]

Singular = Job
Image: SufferingOfJob.jpg

117 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:00:55pm

re: #111 windsagio

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.

Ummm...not so much. You have no idea what the USN has in its sub assets. The Chinese don't have surface vessels, as such. They are in possession of temporarilly floating metal coffins.

118 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:02:04pm

if they would attach an amendment getting rid of the south, i would be ok

119 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:02:10pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Singular = Job
Image: SufferingOfJob.jpg

I am very envious of your manly beard!

120 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:02:23pm

re: #117 austin_blue

Ummm...not so much. You have no idea what the USN has in its sub assets. The Chinese don't have surface vessels, as such. They are in possession of temporarilly floating metal coffins.


nobody is going through the 7th Fleet....that's Gameboy shit

121 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:03:27pm

re: #118 SpaceJesus

if they would attach an amendment getting rid of the south, i would be ok

Hey! Broad brush!

122 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:04:12pm

Jon Stewart doing the Murdoch testimony.

123 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:04:19pm

re: #118 SpaceJesus

if they would attach an amendment getting rid of the south, i would be ok

make sure you're there at the time

124 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:04:38pm

re: #111 windsagio

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.

Not really, our Navy is insanely well equipped in comparison, as long as we keep funding it. Fortunately China is a huge fan of business as usual, but if we fuck up the status quo then all bets are off.

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:04:40pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

*deleted*

Honestly, this is one of those times where I wonder, "What kind of person actually sits down, thinks about these things, and says, 'Oh, this is a great idea'?"

The kind of person who can't think past their bias.

Evening, All.

126 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:07:33pm

getting close ti a USN carrier is very risky business...and if somebody tries real hard they will become a long series of paperwork at best

127 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:08:10pm

re: #111 windsagio

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.

That's just not true. Just the ships we have in the area right now would be enough to cost the Chinese all of their blue water vessel. However, those ships would ultimately be sunk by their land-based air. But before that happened, the Chinese would catch a hurting.

Could they win? Yes.

Could they win without being hurt badly? No.

128 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:08:52pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Jon Stewart doing the Murdoch testimony.

I just *love* that he got pied!

129 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:09:07pm

re: #117 austin_blue

Had to choose one to reply to, the distances are short enough, and they have sufficient (and high tech) air power to annihilate our surface fleet and blast Taipei into submission.

You guys are right tho' that I didn't really have it right that they could 'go right through' in the classical sense.

My point remains that if they were sufficiently willing to face the longterm problems, they could conquer Taiwan and the US couldn't stop them short of going Nuclear.

Luckily, frank hit it out of the park:

Fortunately China is a huge fan of business as usual

130 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:09:32pm

re: #121 austin_blue

austin can stay. it will be like an outpost. a gibralter of sorts

131 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:10:28pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

The kind of person who can't think past their bias.

Evening, All.

Hey, DF. Don't poke at Steve. He is in Curmudgeon Mode tonight.

132 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:11:43pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

That's just not true. Just the ships we have in the area right now would be enough to cost the Chinese all of their blue water vessel. However, those ships would ultimately be sunk by their land-based air. But before that happened, the Chinese would catch a hurting.

Could they win? Yes.

Could they win without being hurt badly? No.

there is no ship to ship combat anymore....but should it come to a stand up fight, most of the Chinese would be pinned ashore and picked off at will...in the open the Chinese would get creamed...they have nothing, yet

133 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:12:55pm

re: #130 SpaceJesus

austin can stay. it will be like an outpost. a gibralter of sorts

Fort AustinBlue....refuge

134 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:13:10pm

re: #130 SpaceJesus

austin can stay. it will be like an outpost. a gibralter of sorts

Yay! An open city! A Gdansk! A Vatican! Perhaps an embassy territory within JesusStan?

135 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:13:42pm

re: #131 austin_blue

Hey, DF. Don't poke at Steve. He is in Curmudgeon Mode tonight.

just spilling jokes

136 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:14:57pm

re: #134 austin_blue

Yay! An open city! A Gdansk! A Vatican! Perhaps an embassy territory within JesusStan?

Basically a place for the Righteous to get booze, weed, blues, and laid.

137 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:15:18pm

re: #135 albusteve

just spilling jokes

My man, your jokes have had chunks of knapped flint embedded in them tonight.

138 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:15:55pm

yes, we'll hang on to technical control of austin and new orleans in exchange for giving the south utah.

139 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:17:30pm

re: #119 austin_blue

I am very envious of your manly beard!

As you should...

Youtube Video
140 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:20:21pm

Clarence Gatemouth Brown - Live From Austin Texas

Youtube Video
141 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:21:26pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Does being condemned to eternal hell and damnation for using birth control count as a job?

No, but doing the condemning does.

142 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:23:12pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Clarence Gatemouth Brown - Live From Austin Texas

[Video]

go back 90 years til now and it's astonishing how many great musicians came out of Texas

143 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:23:55pm

re: #132 albusteve

there is no ship to ship combat anymore...but should it come to a stand up fight, most of the Chinese would be pinned ashore and picked off at will...in the open the Chinese would get creamed...they have nothing, yet

They have everything in WalMart.

144 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:25:19pm

re: #131 austin_blue

Hey, DF. Don't poke at Steve. He is in Curmudgeon Mode tonight.

What mode was last night?

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:27:45pm

re: #117 austin_blue

Ummm...not so much. You have no idea what the USN has in its sub assets. The Chinese don't have surface vessels, as such. They are in possession of temporarilly floating metal coffins.

That carrier their refitting? That's called a "Navy Cross in Waiting".

146 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:27:57pm

re: #142 albusteve

go back 90 years til now and it's astonishing how many great musicians came out of Texas

Dink was from Texas:

Youtube Video
147 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:28:24pm

OT, but talking to my mom about the revelation I learned about my family last night, she then asked for me to see if any ancestors fought in the Civil War. Apparently, her side of the family has no memory.

Any good sites with a database?

148 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:28:49pm

re: #142 albusteve

You can say that about any place tho'

149 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:30:06pm

re: #75 austin_blue

Short answer:

Available funds will be allocated on an "as available" basis. You can bet that the troops will come first, as is right and proper. They aren't going to shut down air traffic control or other critical transportation jobs. I would think that retirees will be next, along with critical Medicare bills. Medicaid payments will certainly be delayed. "Non-critical" Gubmint employees will be furloughed.

Let's face it. To feed the bulldog, we need to cut 40% of total Gubmint spending to match income.

You think we've got a jobs/housing problem now? These Teabillies have no idea what macroeconomics even means.

They don't care. They are like people who can't wait for the Rapture. They think it will be awesome for them and couldn't care less that everyone else would be left with hell on Earth because they hate everyone else anyway. In fact, I'll bet there is a lot of overlay between Rapturists and Teabillies, if Michele Bachmann is any indication.

[Link: motherjones.com...]

The most powerful voting block in the GOP and possibly the country is the most ignorant and hateful all at the same time. I can't believe this is what 2011 in America looks, sounds and acts like. The Confederates never died.

150 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:30:42pm

re: #147 ProLifeLiberal

What part of the country are they from?

Best places to ask are probably through SUVCW or the SVC

151 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:30:52pm

re: #148 windsagio

You can say that about any place tho'

no, you can't...that's the point

152 celticdragon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:31:04pm

re: #68 austin_blue

David Brooks is not a happy man:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


Brooks helped create this catastrophe. He gives cover for "reasonable people" to blame both sides with their magical balance faery idiocy. Fuck him and the white horse he rode into town on.

153 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:31:35pm

re: #150 windsagio

Definitely Union: Pennsylvania and Ohio.

154 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:33:25pm

re: #152 celticdragon

Brooks helped create this catastrophe. He gives cover for "reasonable people" to blame both sides with their magical balance faery idiocy. Fuck him and the white horse he rode into town on.

Extra ding for Spencerian spelling.

155 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:35:08pm

re: #147 ProLifeLiberal

Ancestry dot com was my sisters friend...

156 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:35:37pm

re: #152 celticdragon

Brooks helped create this catastrophe. He gives cover for "reasonable people" to blame both sides with their magical balance faery idiocy. Fuck him and the white horse he rode into town on.

I blame Brooks and other Republicans like then for this mess. They tolerated these people, coddled and encouraged them. Gave them credibility and excused their ignorance and bad behavior every chance they got. Brooks getting a clue now does not impress me much (h/t Shania Twain). "Reasonable" Republicans being "reasonable" towards the TPers own these fuckers. Lock, stock and barrel.

157 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:35:48pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

And for Spencerian!

158 celticdragon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:36:01pm

re: #85 albusteve

re: #111 windsagio

If China really really wanted to press the issue they could essentially go through the 7th fleet as if it wasn't there.


Not really.

159 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:37:04pm

I'm so glad that Bush scrapped the ABM treaty, allowing Russia to build inbound phase maneuverable warheads. That missile shield that could only hit in rigged tests was money really well spent.

160 Olsonist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:38:36pm

re: #156 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think the modern era of crazy started with Gingrich.

161 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:41:48pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Clarence Gatemouth Brown - Live From Austin Texas

[Video]

Did you know his half-brother is Justice Clarence "Gatemouth" Thomas?

162 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:42:50pm

re: #144 Naso Tang

What mode was last night?

Also CM.

163 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:43:02pm

re: #161 austin_blue

Fur reel?

164 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:43:15pm

James Gang
Stop
power trio

Youtube Video
165 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:43:47pm

re: #155 Floral Giraffe

My granddad has an account. I'll ask if I can use it to snoop.

It would be helpful if my mom's side would remember things one generation to the next.

166 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:44:07pm

re: #145 wlewisiii

That carrier their refitting? That's called a "Navy Cross in Waiting".

Yeah, but it might well be posthumous. That thing has pretty good Anti-aircraft defenses, and when she goes out she won't go out alone. Moreover, Chinese carrier pilots will be no pushovers. China has made sure the pilots flying the Su-30s on that CV will have had lots of proper training. Still not as good as our pilots, most likely, but they will be fit to fight.

167 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:44:23pm

re: #145 wlewisiii

That carrier their refitting? That's called a "Navy Cross in Waiting".

That ex-Russian POS? Obsolete on the day it was launched.

168 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:45:32pm

re: #151 albusteve

Most regions of the US have some strong musical legacies. The obvious ones are obvious, but ask WUB about the Seattle/Portland Scenes sometime.

Just about any part of the US with a large population has a strong musical legacy.

169 celticdragon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:45:34pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I'm so glad that Bush scrapped the ABM treaty, allowing Russia to build inbound phase maneuverable warheads. That missile shield that could only hit in rigged tests was money really well spent.

Their new generation ASM's are nasty as hell, like the SS-N-22 "Sunburn". It features terminal phase counter fire avoidance and pop-up features. The new Raytheon RAM system replacing the CIWS is supoosed to counter the Sunburn and similar missiles, but we are still using 30 year old Harpoons.

Beat me.

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:46:28pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I'm so glad that Bush scrapped the ABM treaty, allowing Russia to build inbound phase maneuverable warheads. That missile shield that could only hit in rigged tests was money really well spent.

It'll still stop older warheads, or the sort of ICBMs that China has. Russia is now first in the world in ICBM technology. Yes, you read right: When it comes to ICBMs, the latest Russian Tupols are better than anything we have.

171 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:48:10pm

re: #168 windsagio

Most regions of the US have some strong musical legacies. The obvious ones are obvious, but ask WUB about the Seattle/Portland Scenes sometime.

Just about any part of the US with a large population has a strong musical legacy.

yes, and Texas is exceptional

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:48:22pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but it might well be posthumous. That thing has pretty good Anti-aircraft defenses, and when she goes out she won't go out alone. Moreover, Chinese carrier pilots will be no pushovers. China has made sure the pilots flying the Su-30s on that CV will have had lots of proper training. Still not as good as our pilots, most likely, but they will be fit to fight.

Huh? DF that FSU scrapheap was never a threat as a Soviet ship and it certainly isn't now. My only question is if the SSN commander would want to use a UGM-84 or a Mark 48 on it. My bet is the torpedos.

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:50:14pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

It'll still stop older warheads, or the sort of ICBMs that China has. Russia is now first in the world in ICBM technology. Yes, you read right: When it comes to ICBMs, the latest Russian Tupols are better than anything we have.

I'll agree - if the info we have in the open press is accurate. I can remember some of the garbage about the T64 & T72 that turned out to be hilariously inaccurate.

174 celticdragon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:51:49pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but it might well be posthumous. That thing has pretty good Anti-aircraft defenses, and when she goes out she won't go out alone. Moreover, Chinese carrier pilots will be no pushovers. China has made sure the pilots flying the Su-30s on that CV will have had lots of proper training. Still not as good as our pilots, most likely, but they will be fit to fight.

Not alone, but what air defense cruisers do the Chinese have?

None, last I looked. Their handful of destroyers are not ready for blue water power projection. I do not believe the PLAN can actually protect a carrier. If they tried to buy that last Slava Class cruiser from Ukraine and anything similar, I would take it a bit more seriously. As it is, The Indian Navy is far more dangerous and capable then the PLAN.

175 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:52:15pm

re: #171 albusteve

yes, and Texas is exceptional


Right now it's HOT as hell and the air is polluted.

176 jaunte  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:52:50pm

re: #175 CarleeCork

Wait 'til the SBOE hearings.

177 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:52:56pm

re: #175 CarleeCork

Right now it's HOT as hell and the air is polluted.

And then there's that exceptional drought...

178 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:53:27pm

re: #175 CarleeCork

Right now it's HOT as hell and the air is polluted.

nice blues riff

179 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:54:00pm

re: #171 albusteve

Not particularly. And certainly less exceptional than say the New York, New Orleans or Detroit... Or KY/TN for that matter.

180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:54:35pm

re: #171 albusteve

yes, and Texas is exceptional

They're all exceptional.

//

181 sagehen  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:55:26pm

"deeply conservative"

dear first-term Republicans...

I think that word does not mean what you think it means.

no love,
me

182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:58:06pm

re: #179 windsagio

Not particularly. And certainly less exceptional than say the New York, New Orleans or Detroit... Or KY/TN for that matter.

Los Angeles

Seattle

Chicago

Nashville

Memphis

(Anywhere on the Delta)

Atlanta

Miami

Athens

183 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:58:58pm

re: #169 celticdragon

Their new generation ASM's are nasty as hell, like the SS-N-22 "Sunburn". It features terminal phase counter fire avoidance and pop-up features. The new Raytheon RAM system replacing the CIWS is supoosed to counter the Sunburn and similar missiles, but we are still using 30 year old Harpoons.

Beat me.

Well, you should know that the latest versions of the Tomahawk can engage both stationary and moving targets. So they can be used against warships and they outrange the Sunburn by a good margin.

184 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:59:08pm

re: #181 sagehen

"deeply conservative"

dear first-term Republicans...

I think that word does not mean what you think it means.

no love,
me

Well, at least you drink *red* wine. My kind of girl.

And you are right. They don't know the difference between "conservative", "reactionary" and "just fucking recklessly stupid".

185 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:59:23pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

It'll still stop older warheads, or the sort of ICBMs that China has.

No, it really won't. It was never tested against decoys, and during testing we fed telemetry directly from the targets to the kill vehicles. We only ever tested it against spin stabilized targets that were broadcasting their presence loud and clear. The whole concept was flawed from the beginning.

186 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:01:42pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Gotta admit, when you said 'Athens' I thought THAT'S NOT IN THE US!

/random

But yeah Good music knows no region in the US, its pretty great.

187 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:03:44pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Los Angeles

Seattle

Chicago

Nashville

Memphis

(Anywhere on the Delta)

Atlanta

Miami

Athens

The 40-Watt Club!

Home of the Satellites, Guadalcanal Diary, and REM. Many a fine detour in my peripatetic yoot found me there, drinking beer and listening to amazing music.

But you really should include Austin in that list.

188 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:04:06pm

re: #173 wlewisiii

I'll agree - if the info we have in the open press is accurate. I can remember some of the garbage about the T64 & T72 that turned out to be hilariously inaccurate.

Though both of those tanks have been upgraded and have some use. the Ukrainian T-64BM is actually decent. Not sure if Russia will use that upgrade or not. The upgrade features a new engine with a better power-to-weight ratio, improved reactive armor, a ballistic computer and thermal sight, and the ability to fire laser-guided ATGMs.

(I love war gear talk.)

189 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:04:18pm

re: #187 austin_blue

Austin is a great music city, but the list kind of had the prereq 'places outside Texas' :p

190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:04:30pm

re: #187 austin_blue

The 40-Watt Club!

Home of the Satellites, Guadalcanal Diary, and REM. Many a fine detour in my peripatetic yoot found me there, drinking beer and listening to amazing music.

But you really should include Austin in that list.

I would have, but steve has already informed us of the exceptionalism of Texas. //

191 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:04:31pm

re: #174 celticdragon

Which is exactly what we want.

Now, we just need to help reconcilation between India and Bangladesh. T

A good chunk of this will me making the somewhat fascist BJP to STFU. A declassification of any info in the United States about dubious actions by the BJP released to major Indian Newspapers would be fantastic.

192 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:05:21pm

re: #187 austin_blue

But you really should include Austin in that list.

Do you ever go to SXSW?

193 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:06:00pm

re: #189 windsagio

Austin is a great music city, but the list kind of had the prereq 'places outside Texas' :p

Noted!

You might want to throw KC in there, by the way.

194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:06:59pm

re: #191 ProLifeLiberal

Which is exactly what we want.

Now, we just need to help reconcilation between India and Bangladesh. T

A good chunk of this will me making the somewhat fascist BJP to STFU. A declassification of any info in the United States about dubious actions by the BJP released to major Indian Newspapers would be fantastic.

Huh. Well, good luck to whomever's trying to do that.

People think the tea party is something...those Hindutva whackjobs are no joke.

195 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:07:27pm

re: #192 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do you ever go to SXSW?

Dude, I live a quarter mile south of the Colorado River. SXSW comes to me.

196 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:07:34pm

re: #191 ProLifeLiberal

Which is exactly what we want.

Now, we just need to help reconcilation between India and Bangladesh. T

A good chunk of this will me making the somewhat fascist BJP to STFU. A declassification of any info in the United States about dubious actions by the BJP released to major Indian Newspapers would be fantastic.

Bad idea. We shouldn't get involved in India's politics like that. They'll resent it badly, and with good reason. It was justly objected to in 2004 when the Guardian in the UK organized a pro-Kerry letter writing campaign to Ohio voters. India has a functional electoral system, and we should not involve ourselves in it.

197 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:08:20pm

re: #177 JasonA

And then there's that exceptional drought...


More prayers damnit, more prayers!

198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:08:41pm

re: #193 austin_blue

Noted!

You might want to throw KC in there, by the way.

I thought of that.

Youtube Video
199 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:08:55pm

re: #197 CarleeCork

More prayers damnit, more prayers!

Does "Blood for the Blood God!" count as prayer?

200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:09:50pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. We shouldn't get involved in India's politics like that. They'll resent it badly, and with good reason. It was justly objected to in 2004 when the Guardian in the UK organized a pro-Kerry letter writing campaign to Ohio voters. India has a functional electoral system, and we should not involve ourselves in it.

Christ help them, though, if somebody discovers they have our oil.

201 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:10:01pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Does "Blood for the Blood God!" count as prayer?

If I lived in Texas I'd be happy with anything wet, I think...

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:10:04pm

good Evening all!

My fb pissed-me-off again.

sigh!

How is everyone?

203 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:10:13pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Gotta upding the Chicago shout-out.

204 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:11:21pm

re: #193 austin_blue

the problem is, the list would end up with every city > 100,000 people on it :D

Or Less:

Population 16,800:

Youtube Video

Population 41:

Youtube Video
205 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:12:08pm

re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh I think the US government has something that can be used to injure the BJP they've had too many fingers in various dubious actions, and I am sure we have collected some damning information that would cause them no end of trouble in India.

We just have to act in a very realpolitik manner.

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I see your point. However, to fix relations with Bangladesh, the BJP must be dealt with. And the party has lost 2 straight Lok Sabha elections, and has lost a fair amount of popularity. We just have to go a little farther to discredit them.

Besides, this is less trying to endorse a party, and more about pointing out terroristic actions that they have been a part, and we likely have information on.

206 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:12:30pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Does "Blood for the Blood God!" count as prayer?


Ask Gov. Goodhair.

207 Kragar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:14:48pm

re: #206 CarleeCork

Ask Gov. Goodhair.

Guessing that would depend on how the Blood God feels about gay marriage

208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:15:12pm

re: #202 ggt

good Evening all!

My fb pissed-me-off again.

sigh!

How is everyone?

Doesn't it bother them that when somebody says "sex scandal politician" it's presumably a prolife male?

209 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:18:38pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I see your point. However, to fix relations with Bangladesh, the BJP must be dealt with. And the party has lost 2 straight Lok Sabha elections, and has lost a fair amount of popularity. We just have to go a little farther to discredit them.

Besides, this is less trying to endorse a party, and more about pointing out terroristic actions that they have been a part, and we likely have information on.

I hear you, but I cannot endorse it without contradicting a position I took a hard line on 7 years ago. In a case of a non-enemy nation with a functional democratic system (though I doubt any nation which is a functional democracy will ever actually be our enemy), we should not interfere in their internal politics. We do that, we open the door to them messing with us. It's about national sovereignty,and it may well mean we have to put up with some assholism from the BJP.

210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:19:44pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

Oh I think the US government has something that can be used to injure the BJP they've had too many fingers in various dubious actions, and I am sure we have collected some damning information that would cause them no end of trouble in India.

We just have to act in a very realpolitik manner.

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I see your point. However, to fix relations with Bangladesh, the BJP must be dealt with. And the party has lost 2 straight Lok Sabha elections, and has lost a fair amount of popularity. We just have to go a little farther to discredit them.

Besides, this is less trying to endorse a party, and more about pointing out terroristic actions that they have been a part, and we likely have information on.

Well, I see DF's point - how does the BJP threaten the US?

Consider also, some of those Hindutva types really admire Israel (or is it hide behind them to be on the front lines) against their nemisis, the whackodoodle Muslims. Obviously, I think it's the latter. More rwnj's using the people of Israel for their own crankodoodle ends...they have allies here.

I had to smack a couple RSS-type dudes down a few years ago, cheering on our bogus wars so they can see someone getting back at the Muslim whackjobs. Had to tell someone, send your own cousins to die for that shit, mine already have enough troubles as it is without cowards like you egging everything on.

211 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:21:59pm

re: #175 CarleeCork

Right now it's HOT as hell and the air is polluted.

We got .05" of an inch today! Whee! (We'll take anything we can get from nature's god.)

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:22:37pm

re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, I see DF's point - how does the BJP threaten the US?

Consider also, some of those Hindutva types really admire Israel (or is it hide behind them to be on the front lines) against their nemisis, the whackodoodle Muslims. Obviously, I think it's the latter. More rwnj's using the people of Israel for their own crankodoodle ends...they have allies here.

I had to smack a couple RSS-type dudes down a few years ago, cheering on our bogus wars so they can see someone getting back at the Muslim whackjobs. Had to tell someone, send your own cousins to die for that shit, mine already have enough troubles as it is without cowards like you egging everything on.

I think you should capitalize Whackadoodle.

I like it!

213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:22:57pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

We do that, we open the door to them messing with us.

Dingdingding, we have a winnah.

Plus, they have a potentially much larger consumer base than we ever will (even if the rwnj implement Christian Shariah and forced-childbirth for all, we'll never catch up with India and China.)

Plus, meddling in other countries is the wrong thing to do.

Of course unless they have our oil. Then, it's different. /// /// lol

214 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:23:22pm

Well, the first recall is done in Wisconsin and a Democrat in a conservative district held on to his seat, 65% - 35%. He was considered the most vulnerable Democrat because of the district demographics (Green Bay. Not a hot bed of liberalism) AND he's had legal problems. This same district went 55% for Prosser just a couple of months ago. If I were the Fitzwalkers, I'd be polishing my resume tonight.

215 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:23:33pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

Oh I think the US government has something that can be used to injure the BJP they've had too many fingers in various dubious actions, and I am sure we have collected some damning information that would cause them no end of trouble in India.

We just have to act in a very realpolitik manner.

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I see your point. However, to fix relations with Bangladesh, the BJP must be dealt with. And the party has lost 2 straight Lok Sabha elections, and has lost a fair amount of popularity. We just have to go a little farther to discredit them.

Besides, this is less trying to endorse a party, and more about pointing out terroristic actions that they have been a part, and we likely have information on.

The BJP has done a damn good job of shooting itself in the foot the last couple of years.

216 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:23:52pm

re: #211 austin_blue

We got .05" of an inch today! Whee! (We'll take anything we can get from nature's god.)


Ah yes, nothing like a little humidity with the heat. I can literally see the lake near us dropping every day.

217 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:24:44pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

I guess I would argue that the BJP is an organization that is attempting to hinder the democratic processes of India by intimidation of Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims. This could be in many forms, along with BJP sanctioned riots, like what happened in Gujarat 9 years ago, or the Babri Mosque incident.

I take the stand that, since they seem to be an undemocratic organization taking advantage of Democratic Structures, they deserve no immunity from bashing. I could go farther in this, but that would be needlessly inflammatory.

Though things between India and Bangladesh are improving anyway, so we may not need to worry.

218 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:26:15pm

tsk, he ran off again :(

probably just as well, work time!

219 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:27:29pm

re: #212 ggt

I think you should capitalize Whackadoodle.

I like it!

You know what's funny is, one of the guys in question launched into some long lecture about how I'm in danger of "shariah law" because we allow Arabs and Muslims in this country. /eyeroll

Every time I hear these opportunists like Herman Cain yapping about it, I think of him. It's too bad, because he was super nice, just delusional at times. no different from anyone else, really.

220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:29:11pm

re: #217 ProLifeLiberal

I guess I would argue that the BJP is an organization that is attempting to hinder the democratic processes of India by intimidation of Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims. This could be in many forms, along with BJP sanctioned riots, like what happened in Gujarat 9 years ago, or the Babri Mosque incident.

I take the stand that, since they seem to be an undemocratic organization taking advantage of Democratic Structures, they deserve no immunity from bashing. I could go farther in this, but that would be needlessly inflammatory.

Though things between India and Bangladesh are improving anyway, so we may not need to worry.

Do you feel other world powers should involve themselves in our domestic affairs because they don't like the tea party?

Or the fact that we now allow gay marriage?

Or permit women to drive?

221 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:29:29pm

re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I see them as threatening US indirectly, by inflaming tensions between India and everyone else. That in turn increases chances of a monumental catastrophe, if you get my drift.

re: #215 austin_blue

I'm unfamiliar with recent actions by the BJP. What exactly have they done?

re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not to mention that both sides committed equal atrocities at statehood. Let's not pretend that either side is innocent.

222 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:29:56pm

re: #216 CarleeCork

Ah yes, nothing like a little humidity with the heat. I can literally see the lake near us dropping every day.

Our primary water supply is down to 54% capacity:

[Link: travis.uslakes.info...]

223 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:30:17pm

re: #214 wlewisiii

Well, the first recall is done in Wisconsin and a Democrat in a conservative district held on to his seat, 65% - 35%. He was considered the most vulnerable Democrat because of the district demographics (Green Bay. Not a hot bed of liberalism) AND he's had legal problems. This same district went 55% for Prosser just a couple of months ago. If I were the Fitzwalkers, I'd be polishing my resume tonight.

Ah yes, it's THAT Tuesday. Thx for the update.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:30:21pm

re: #68 austin_blue

David Brooks is not a happy man:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

There was a Democratic president eager to move to the center. He floated certain ideas that would be normally unheard of from a Democrat.

Interesting. I consider Obama to be a step right of center already, but people continue to describe him straight-facedly as a lunatic leftist in all he does. It's almost startling when a conservative writer acknowledges something like the above.

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:31:12pm

Did you guys see THIS in the Pages?

Very Very Cute and LMAO!

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:32:28pm

re: #77 engineer dog

have you ever wondered how ill informed a wingnut could possibly be?

i swear i did not make this comment up:

Funny how the liberal media is downplaying the fact that Africans apparently have more caveman ancestray then everyone else.

Er....well, technically, I guess no one has more or less 'caveman' ancestry than anyone else, but I guess he means the recent news that Africans aren't Neanderthals like the rest of us? Interesting spin.

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:32:36pm

re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do you feel other world powers should involve themselves in our domestic affairs because they don't like the tea party?

Or the fact that we now allow gay marriage?

Or permit women to drive?

Or don't permit 13 year old girls to raped-thru-marriage by nasty old men?

228 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:32:36pm

re: #217 ProLifeLiberal

I guess I would argue that the BJP is an organization that is attempting to hinder the democratic processes of India by intimidation of Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims. This could be in many forms, along with BJP sanctioned riots, like what happened in Gujarat 9 years ago, or the Babri Mosque incident.

I take the stand that, since they seem to be an undemocratic organization taking advantage of Democratic Structures, they deserve no immunity from bashing. I could go farther in this, but that would be needlessly inflammatory.

Though things between India and Bangladesh are improving anyway, so we may not need to worry.

Good post! You understand how the BJP maintains power. They are basically opportunistic ratfuckers. Not to be needlessly inflammatory...

229 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:33:16pm

re: #222 austin_blue

Our primary water supply is down to 54% capacity:

[Link: travis.uslakes.info...]


Ouch! Sorry to hear that, I'm near Lake Lewisville, it's only down 2-3".

230 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:33:35pm

re: #227 ggt

Still a number of places in the US where you can be married that young tho' >

231 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:34:05pm

re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No.

However, no party in the United States has supported terrorist actions of their supporters. That where the BJP and nearly all parties in Democratic Nations differ. To be blunt, they are terrorists in suits.

They have the Babri Mosque incident and Gujarat Riots on their hands.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:34:39pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...well, technically, I guess no one has more or less 'caveman' ancestry than anyone else, but I guess he means the recent news that Africans aren't Neanderthals like the rest of us? Interesting spin.

I thought being a Neanderthal was bad? Homo Erectus is the genus of Adam.--no?

233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:34:55pm

re: #218 windsagio

tsk, he ran off again :(

probably just as well, work time!

Like clockwork...

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:35:42pm

re: #230 windsagio

Still a number of places in the US where you can be married that young tho' >

hmmm, we had a discussion about this a few years ago and I don't remember it being THAT young. . . .

must research.

235 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:36:39pm

re: #234 ggt

I'd look it up myself, but that's something you don't want on your search history :p

(and now gone, y'all have a good night!)

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:37:46pm

re: #106 calochortus

Ah yes, and the rest of us have more Neanderthal ancestry. That certainly moves us up the ladder doesn't it?

Well, these people KNEW all these years that they were a different species from black people.

They have, in an odd way, been proven correct now.

Except I assume most/damn near all African Americans also have Neanderthal genes, so there goes our chinless, barrel-chested advantage.

237 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:39:02pm

Well, folks, I am for the rack. Keep Calm and Don't Panic.

Sweet dreams for all of the Lizard Nation, and a better tomorrow. Oh, by the way, Alouette has a son/DIL in labor at the moment. Please hold a good thought for them.

238 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:39:09pm

re: #231 ProLifeLiberal

No.

However, no party in the United States has supported terrorist actions of their supporters. That where the BJP and nearly all parties in Democratic Nations differ. To be blunt, they are terrorists in suits.

They have the Babri Mosque incident and Gujarat Riots on their hands.

Ooh that will lead you to a very slippery slope, I'm afraid.

Anyone can make the argument we support "terrorists".

Look at Bush and Daffy, 2003.

Look what we did to Iraq (whom we backed in the Iraq/Iran war) and Afghanistan, neither of which ever attacked us. Even the staunchest neocon Republicans are clamoring to get out of there, now.

Propping up Mubarak and the Saudi Royals doesn't reflect so well for our lofty ideals of individual liberty and personal freedom, seeing as they are ruthless dictators.

I bet the BJP/RSS/Shiv Sena/Bajrang Dal and the rest probably don't like our palling around with Pakistan too much, either.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:39:42pm

re: #230 windsagio

Still a number of places in the US where you can be married that young tho' >

Wiki shows: Massachussets, NY, New Hampshire, TX, and PA as as low as 12 with a court order.

Strange, I'd have thought it would heavily weighted in the Southern States.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:40:00pm

re: #147 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but talking to my mom about the revelation I learned about my family last night, she then asked for me to see if any ancestors fought in the Civil War. Apparently, her side of the family has no memory.

Any good sites with a database?

I missed the revelation, and can't give you advice on the Civil War research, but I'm sure there are a million obsessive organizations linked to the web. Good luck!

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:40:28pm

re: #217 ProLifeLiberal

I guess I would argue that the BJP is an organization that is attempting to hinder the democratic processes of India by intimidation of Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims. This could be in many forms, along with BJP sanctioned riots, like what happened in Gujarat 9 years ago, or the Babri Mosque incident.

I take the stand that, since they seem to be an undemocratic organization taking advantage of Democratic Structures, they deserve no immunity from bashing. I could go farther in this, but that would be needlessly inflammatory.

Though things between India and Bangladesh are improving anyway, so we may not need to worry.

Oh, I'm fine with private bashing by individuals. It's just that the US government shouldn't engage in same, nor should people mount campaigns trying to sway foreign elections. Private individuals telling the truth on malefactors is OK, but they must after that not attempt to tell the Idian people which way to vote.

242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:43:11pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, these people KNEW all these years that they were a different species from black people.

Everybody knows white American purist race anxiety is a joke, except white American racial purists. Lol they have never been able to keep their own categories straight, ruthlessly as they have been enforced.

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:45:20pm

re: #242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Everybody knows white American Protestant purist race anxiety is a joke, except white American racial purists. Lol they have never been able to keep their own categories straight, ruthlessly as they have been enforced.

ftfy

244 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:45:25pm

re: #239 ggt

Wiki shows: Massachussets, NY, New Hampshire, TX, and PA as as low as 12 with a court order.

Strange, I'd have thought it would heavily weighted in the Southern States.

Southern states have had a number of recent embarrassing cases over the last decade. Northern states haven't so most people have long forgotten that those laws are still on the books.

245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:46:25pm

re: #244 wlewisiii

Southern states have had a number of recent embarrassing cases over the last decade. Northern states haven't so most people have long forgotten that those laws are still on the books.

ah!

246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:47:56pm

re: #243 ggt

ftfy

Nah, Protestants are not the only ones with that affliction. The signs said "white only", not "white protestant heterosexual property-owning male only".

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:48:07pm

re: #232 ggt

I thought being a Neanderthal was bad? Homo Erectus is the genus of Adam.--no?

Biblical or mitochondrial?

248 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:48:50pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...well, technically, I guess no one has more or less 'caveman' ancestry than anyone else, but I guess he means the recent news that Africans aren't Neanderthals like the rest of us? Interesting spin.

Apparently white people should swell with pride at our large brow ridged progenitors with their low vaulted craniums.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:49:47pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Biblical or mitochondrial?

At this point, I'm so confused over who is supossed to be "G-d's Chosen"

I thought the Bible made it pretty clear . . . .

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:50:26pm

re: #234 ggt

hmmm, we had a discussion about this a few years ago and I don't remember it being THAT young. . . .

must research.



This has an overview. South Carolina, a girl can get married at fourteen with parental consent, for example.

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:51:02pm

re: #244 wlewisiii

Southern states have had a number of recent embarrassing cases over the last decade. Northern states haven't so most people have long forgotten that those laws are still on the books.

MA still has some dry-county style blue laws.

This site is hilarious [Link: www.dumblaws.com...]

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:51:21pm

re: #239 ggt

Wiki shows: Massachussets, NY, New Hampshire, TX, and PA as as low as 12 with a court order.

:sigh: I hate this planet sometimes.

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:51:22pm

re: #246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nah, Protestants are not the only ones with that affliction. The signs said "white only", not "white protestant heterosexual property-owning male only".

If they had the $$$$ to build 11ty bathrooms for every category of non-desirable, you can be sure there would have been one for Jew-White, Catholic-White, Athiest-White. Everyone else counted as Black.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:52:29pm

re: #239 ggt

Wiki shows: Massachussets, NY, New Hampshire, TX, and PA as as low as 12 with a court order.

Strange, I'd have thought it would heavily weighted in the Southern States.

Old-fashioned New England...something.

Poe married a thirteen year old bride as I recall. When they said 'child bride' in the nineteenth century, they weren't kidding.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:53:04pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Biblical or mitochondrial?

My understanding is that both DNA based linages (Adam and Eve) are only a couple of hundred k years old. So only H. Sapiens needs apply. There is a good argument that H. Floresiensis was the last of the H. Erectus line but they still would be outside the X or Y chromosomal linages that modern humanity shares.

256 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:53:05pm

re: #246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nah, Protestants are not the only ones with that affliction. The signs said "white only", not "white protestant heterosexual property-owning male only".

Just a matter of economics. The latter would be too costly to mass produce.
/

257 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:54:00pm

re: #231 ProLifeLiberal

And I'll be even harsher on Pakistan.

Pakistan is a nation that made deals with the devil out of hatred of India, and later the Bengalis. Many Pakistanis (Including a friend of mine) seem to think everyone is out to get them in some massive conspiracy and that they have done no wrong.

To be brutal. Pakistan got decided on continual war with India because of the fact that a majority Muslim state ruled by a Hindu Prince went to India. As time went on, they then decided to keep power and money away from the then East Pakistan (in part because they weren't "properly Muslim"), resulting in neglect, underdevelopment and resentment. After the Bhola Cycolone killed in excess of 300,000 people and the Pakistani government did nothing, the Bengalis justly rebelled. For this show of outrage, the Pakistanis committed one of the quickest, most brutal genocides in history, killing somewhere between 1.5 million and 3 million people in just 260 days (Based on UN estimates of 6,000 to 12,000 killed a day). India's intervention started quietly, but a bungled attack resulted in a blitzkrieg against Pakistanis in Bangladesh, and a massive rout on the Western Front. Pakistan's military was wrecked.

However, after the war, India gave back most, if not all of the land India had seized during that just war. But Pakistan ignored this goodwill, and increased the hatred it had, turning toward Radical interpretations of Islam To be clear: The Taliban is a puppet of Pakistan. And a fair number of Pakistanis still believe that Bengalis are not "proper Muslims" in spite of the fact there are far more Ahmadiyya followers in Pakistan in Bangladesh.

Pakistan's Hatred has caused it to be dragged down into the failed state we see now. Meanwhile, India flourishes and Bangladesh rises from it horrible past and a merciless Mother Nature.

258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:54:10pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist


This has an overview. South Carolina, a girl can get married at fourteen with parental consent, for example.

Gotta love this verbiage:

(B) No man shall marry his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, stepmother, sister, grandfather's wife, son's wife, grandson's wife, wife's mother, wife's grandmother, wife's daughter, wife's granddaughter, brother's daughter, sister's daughter, father's sister, mother's sister, or another man.

(C) No woman shall marry her father, grandfather, son, grandson, stepfather, brother, grandmother's husband, daughter's husband, granddaughter's husband, husband's father, husband's grandfather, husband's son, husband's grandson, brother's son, sister's son, father's brother, mother's brother, or another woman.

259 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:54:20pm

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

:sigh: I hate this planet sometimes.

Old school Transformers. Cool.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:00pm

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

Apparently white people should swell with pride at our large brow ridged progenitors with their low vaulted craniums.

I think being some fraction Neanderthal is pretty cool.

I feel like maybe I should start some annoying cultural group.

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:01pm

I don't even think I could understand this if I tried:

All persons in this State who, previous to their actual emancipation, had undertaken and agreed to occupy the relation to each other of husband and wife and were cohabiting as such or in any way recognizing the relation as still existing on March 12, 1872, whether the rites of marriage have been celebrated or not, shall be deemed husband and wife, and be entitled to all the rights and privileges and be subject to all the duties and obligations of that relation, in like manner as if they had been duly married according to law.

But the provisions of this section shall not be deemed to extend to persons who have agreed to live in concubinage after their emancipation.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:25pm

re: #249 ggt

At this point, I'm so confused over who is supossed to be "G-d's Chosen"

I thought the Bible made it pretty clear . . .

Well, that's a whole different ball of wax.

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:54pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

MA still has some dry-county style blue laws.

This site is hilarious [Link: www.dumblaws.com...]

Went to college in Massachusetts. I was incredulous that you can't buy liquor in a grocery store.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:57:25pm

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

:sigh: I hate this planet sometimes.

How do you GET a court order for a twelve-year-old to be married? What possible demented excuse could a judge have to issue that?

265 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:57:43pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

MA still has some dry-county style blue laws.

This site is hilarious [Link: www.dumblaws.com...]

The Puritan spirit has never entirely left the Bay State. There remains much there of the idea of an "ideal society", though its form has greatly changed.

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:57:56pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Old school Transformers. Cool.

This is why I hate machines!

[Link: t0.gstatic.com...]

(I actually like this version best)

267 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:58:43pm

re: #238 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't like our relationship with Pakistan either. But my previous post probably said that clearly.

Oh and one last thing.

Pakistan still says no genocide occured in Bangladesh. They continue to deny that genocide to this day.

And no one in the US raises a word. Or anywhere aside from India for that matter.

We scream (justly) about the denial of the older Armenian Genocide by the Turks, but we seemingly have no issue about Pakistan denying a genocide that occurred in living memory.

Something is wrong here.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:59:07pm

re: #255 wlewisiii

My understanding is that both DNA based linages (Adam and Eve) are only a couple of hundred k years old. So only H. Sapiens needs apply. There is a good argument that H. Floresiensis was the last of the H. Erectus line but they still would be outside the X or Y chromosomal linages that modern humanity shares.

This stuff is so cool.

269 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:59:12pm
No gorilla is allowed in the back seat of any car.

So they can be in the front seat...?

270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:59:55pm

re: #253 ggt

If they had the $$$ to build 11ty bathrooms for every category of non-desirable, you can be sure there would have been one for Jew-White, Catholic-White, Athiest-White. Everyone else counted as Black.

Instead, it was simply white/colored or white/negro.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:00:49pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist


This has an overview. South Carolina, a girl can get married at fourteen with parental consent, for example.

According to the State's website, under 18 is only applicable if the girl is pregnant or has bourne a child to the proposed groom. . . .

Although I was laughing at the "who a person can marry verbiage" I might have missed something.

272 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:01:30pm

re: #255 wlewisiii

My understanding is that both DNA based linages (Adam and Eve) are only a couple of hundred k years old. So only H. Sapiens needs apply. There is a good argument that H. Floresiensis was the last of the H. Erectus line but they still would be outside the X or Y chromosomal linages that modern humanity shares.

6000 years old, not a couple of hundred K.

:)

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:01:34pm

re: #261 ggt

I don't even think I could understand this if I tried:

I think, if I read correctly, that they're grandfathering in common-law marriages between former slaves, ie, if you considered yourself man and wife during slavery and are still living together as such, you don't need a marriage license. Everyone else has to get hitched according to the law to be considered married.

Probably trying to solve, practically, the problem of people who had contracted slave marriages with no status under the law.

274 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:02:22pm

re: #256 Slumbering Behemoth

Just a matter of economics. The latter would be too costly to mass produce.
/

A lot more than just economics. Lol imagine all the immigrant groups desperate to be considered "white" having their children suddenly being classified as something other than that.

Rotfl that would be the day.

275 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:03:15pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

This stuff is so cool.

I dearly love human paleoanthropology and evolutionary biology. It makes me want to get a darwin fish, a Christ fish & an equal sign on the back of my Prius.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:03:17pm

re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you GET a court order for a twelve-year-old to be married? What possible demented excuse could a judge have to issue that?

Pregnancy.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:03:34pm

re: #271 ggt

According to the State's website, under 18 is only applicable if the girl is pregnant or has bourne a child to the proposed groom. . . .

Although I was laughing at the "who a person can marry verbiage" I might have missed something.

The only way I can think of to compound the problem of a fourteen-year-old who is carrying or has had a baby even further is to marry her off to the father, thereby legally emancipating her from her parents' control.

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:04:48pm

re: #273 SanFranciscoZionist

I think, if I read correctly, that they're grandfathering in common-law marriages between former slaves, ie, if you considered yourself man and wife during slavery and are still living together as such, you don't need a marriage license. Everyone else has to get hitched according to the law to be considered married.

Probably trying to solve, practically, the problem of people who had contracted slave marriages with no status under the law.

ah!

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:04:58pm

re: #276 ggt

Pregnancy.

A child being pregnant is not a reason to make her even more an adult before her time.

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:05:00pm

re: #272 ggt

6000 years old, not a couple of hundred K.

:)

hardy-har-har. ;)

282 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:06:20pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

I see a campaign issue.

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:06:25pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

A child being pregnant is not a reason to make her even more an adult before her time.

The parents will claim "religious" reasons. . . . .so the child isn't born "out of wedlock". etc. etc.

284 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:06:43pm

re: #267 ProLifeLiberal

I don't like our relationship with Pakistan either. But my previous post probably said that clearly.

Oh and one last thing.

Pakistan still says no genocide occured in Bangladesh. They continue to deny that genocide to this day.

And no one in the US raises a word. Or anywhere aside from India for that matter.

We scream (justly) about the denial of the older Armenian Genocide by the Turks, but we seemingly have no issue about Pakistan denying a genocide that occurred in living memory.

Something is wrong here.

The issue is that we feel the need to keep our hand in in Pakistan. This is because the following:

A. We still run some supplies to Afghanistan through there (though most of the non-munitions stuff now goes through Russia and Uzbekistan, as rail is cheaper than road).

B. Pakistan has many Islamists and we don't want them taking over.

C. Pakistan has nukes and we really don't want those nukes to be lost or fired at India.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:07:03pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

I'm guessing a fundie Christian judge + pregnant twelve year old.

LOL, Republicans are ridiculous.

YOu need to Page that!

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:08:32pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

A child being pregnant is not a reason to make her even more an adult before her time.

Agreed. But there are lots of people, over time, who have wanted to make people compound their mistakes.

And yet, I know a couple who are now in their late 60's who ran off at 16 to the Justice of the Peace. They're as happy, still, as any married couple I've ever known. Law vs reality is never easy.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:09:23pm

There are plenty of examples in days past of girls getting pregnant, then married, JUST so they can get out of their parent's home. Now, she doesn't have to get married, and she can still move-out and get rent and other benefits from the government.

Somehow, I think the problem isn't being addressed and there is still a basically unwanted child in the equation.

288 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:09:30pm

re: #269 JasonA

So they can be in the front seat...?

Duh, all apes must ride shotgun.

289 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:09:47pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

A we can fix quickly.

B we can't

C may have to be expanded to Bangladesh. I get the impression that many Pakistanis still hate the hell out of those guys, and would nuke Dhaka along with New Delhi.

Pakistan is a cautionary tale about why you don't want to be consumed by hatred and rage.

290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:10:18pm

re: #261 ggt

I don't even think I could understand this if I tried:

It establishes marriage rights for previously enslaved. Although, this is equally as charming: [Link: www.teachingushistory.org...]

From ggt's link:

But the provisions of this section shall not be deemed to extend to persons who have agreed to live in concubinage after their emancipation.

Someone alert the BDSM community. ///

291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:10:40pm

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

Went to college in Massachusetts. I was incredulous that you can't buy liquor in a grocery store.

It was like that in Washington when I lived there. You could get beer or wine wherever us Cali natives are used to it being sold, but liquor could only be bought in a state run "liquor store".

I didn't mind it so much, because they had other kooky liquor related laws that I though were awesome. For instance, any place that serves mixed drinks must have a "working kitchen" at the same time. Which meant I could go to a run down rock club, watch a death metal band, get drunk, then grab a steak dinner, all in the same venue.

Heh, the first conversation on the subject I had with a WA native went something like...

Me: "Where is the nearest liquor store? I need to pick up some smokes".

Him: "You can't get cigarettes at a liquor store".

Me: "What? Where the fuck am I supposed to get them then"?

Him: "The 7-11 just down the block".

Me: "Yeah, 7-11. That's a FUCKING LIQUOR STORE!!!"

Him: "No, you idiot. That's a FUCKING CONVENIENCE STORE!!!"

That's the short version. The long version went on for several confusing, frustrating minutes of hilariously miscommunicated nomenclature.

292 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:11:34pm

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

Went to college in Massachusetts. I was incredulous that you can't buy liquor in a grocery store.


I live in Texas and when I was a teenager we couldn't buy pantyhose on Sunday. Blue laws. You still can't buy wine or beer on Sunday until after noon and the liquor stores are closed on Sunday.

Go figure.

293 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:04pm

Okay, now I think this site is just screwing with me...

The penalty for jumping off a building is death.

294 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:39pm

re: #276 ggt

Pregnancy.

Again. I hate this planet sometimes.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:54pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

I'm guessing a fundie Christian judge + pregnant twelve year old.

LOL, Republicans are ridiculous.

Jesus H.

Also, even on its own merits, the abortion argument is insane. Are they seriously suggesting that there are enough of these proposed pregnant-child marriages taking place in the US annually to be even vaguely relevent, statistically? And are they really under the impression that there are a lot of families out there where the choice is 'you get hitched at thirteen, or you abort'?

296 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:56pm

re: #293 JasonA

If you jump off a shed, I don't think you die.

297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:15:04pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

AGAIN...

298 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:15:17pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

I'm guessing a fundie Christian judge + pregnant twelve year old.

LOL, Republicans are ridiculous.

For once, I agree with Dick Durbin:

Durbin's office put out a statement sharply criticizing the House's failure to pass the bill: "The action on the House floor stopping the Child Marriage bill tonight will endanger the lives of millions of women and girls around the world. These young girls, enslaved in marriage, will be brutalized and many will die when their young bodies are torn apart while giving birth. Those who voted to continue this barbaric practice brought shame to Capitol Hill.


299 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:15:55pm

re: #286 wlewisiii

Agreed. But there are lots of people, over time, who have wanted to make people compound their mistakes.

And yet, I know a couple who are now in their late 60's who ran off at 16 to the Justice of the Peace. They're as happy, still, as any married couple I've ever known. Law vs reality is never easy.

My granddad's first marriage was when he was seventeen, and she was sixteen. They went to another town and gave fake ages.

Marriage was annulled when the dads found out.

My grandmother's explanation was that it was essentially pregnancy insurance...if they got pregnant, it was "OK", because they were married.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:17:26pm

re: #291 Slumbering Behemoth

It was like that in Washington when I lived there. You could get beer or wine wherever us Cali natives are used to it being sold, but liquor could only be bought in a state run "liquor store".

I didn't mind it so much, because they had other kooky liquor related laws that I though were awesome. For instance, any place that serves mixed drinks must have a "working kitchen" at the same time. Which meant I could go to a run down rock club, watch a death metal band, get drunk, then grab a steak dinner, all in the same venue.

Heh, the first conversation on the subject I had with a WA native went something like...

Me: "Where is the nearest liquor store? I need to pick up some smokes".

Him: "You can't get cigarettes at a liquor store".

Me: "What? Where the fuck am I supposed to get them then"?

Him: "The 7-11 just down the block".

Me: "Yeah, 7-11. That's a FUCKING LIQUOR STORE!!!"

Him: "No, you idiot. That's a FUCKING CONVENIENCE STORE!!!"

That's the short version. The long version went on for several confusing, frustrating minutes of hilariously miscommunicated nomenclature.

Yeah. In MA, no alcohol at all at the grocery store. You have to go to a 'package store'.

301 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:18:32pm

re: #291 Slumbering Behemoth

It was like that in Washington when I lived there. You could get beer or wine wherever us Cali natives are used to it being sold, but liquor could only be bought in a state run "liquor store".
(snip)
That's the short version. The long version went on for several confusing, frustrating minutes of hilariously miscommunicated nomenclature.

Back in 1982 I joined the Army. At that time, in most of the nation, an 18 year old could legally drink. I then got stationed in Germany for awhile before getting rotated to Ft. Riley, KS. I was finally assigned to a unit and got to go to lovely Junction City KS, on an evening that was exactly one week prior to my 21st birthday. I found a nice italian place and ordered a plate of pasta and nice glass of red wine. However at that time I was still 7 days shy of 21 so anything stronger than 3.2% beer was illegal for me to drink. After a wee bit of time in Europe, that was especially annoying. Beer and marinara sauce is ok, but when you expected to have a nice Pinot? Argh!

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:18:57pm

re: #296 ProLifeLiberal

If you jump off a shed, I don't think you die.

It depends how high the shed is, what's underneath it, and how you land...but generally, no, it's a reasonably safe undertaking.

303 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:19:36pm

re: #267 ProLifeLiberal

I don't like our relationship with Pakistan either. But my previous post probably said that clearly.

Oh and one last thing.

Pakistan still says no genocide occured in Bangladesh. They continue to deny that genocide to this day.

And no one in the US raises a word. Or anywhere aside from India for that matter.

Pakistan is our best friend. Or was with Bush. Now that we're droning them, that status is doubtful.

But yeah, no one is going to care about the 1971 war. In 1971 here, people were trying to keep us from carpetbombing Vietnam. 4 years later we'd be cutting and running from that war and Nixon's crazy b.sing face would be all over the news, people like me would be beginning actual desegregation in earnest, and middle class white women would be starting to get their own jobs out of the house for the first time.

Not an excuse, but we were kind of busy at the time.

We scream (justly) about the denial of the older Armenian Genocide by the Turks, but we seemingly have no issue about Pakistan denying a genocide that occurred in living memory.

Something is wrong here.

Welcome to America.

304 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:19:56pm

re: #289 ProLifeLiberal

A we can fix quickly.

B we can't

C may have to be expanded to Bangladesh. I get the impression that many Pakistanis still hate the hell out of those guys, and would nuke Dhaka along with New Delhi.

Pakistan is a cautionary tale about why you don't want to be consumed by hatred and rage.

Bolded for truth.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:20:14pm

How come I didn't know about this earlier?

What a great fracking site!

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:20:35pm

re: #298 ggt

We just need to label the "Child Marriage Bill" as an effort to combat the "Sharia Creep", and they would likely flip their votes on a dime.

307 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:20:41pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus H.

Also, even on its own merits, the abortion argument is insane. Are they seriously suggesting that there are enough of these proposed pregnant-child marriages taking place in the US annually to be even vaguely relevent, statistically? And are they really under the impression that there are a lot of families out there where the choice is 'you get hitched at thirteen, or you abort'?

I don't think they're under any kind of impression about relevancy or statistics, they're like Frankenstein and fire, "abortion bad! RRAAAWR!" I just have to laugh or I'd probably start throttling people.

Let me say it once more for pitch perfect clearity, Republicans are goddamned.fucking.ridiculous! When people vote for them that's what they're supporting, rank ridicularity.

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:21:39pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

We just need to label the "Child Marriage Bill" as an effort to combat the "Sharia Creep", and they would likely flip their votes on a dime.

ONLY, if it specifically mentioned "immigrants" or some other code-word for non-white-protestant-christians.

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:22:14pm

re: #305 ggt

How come I didn't know about this earlier?

What a great fracking site!

Oh, it's a 'developing world' bill.

For shame.

Seriously, for effing shame!

310 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:22:36pm

re: #303 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Bombing North Vietnam hard (Operations Linebacker I and II) did work to force the North to cut a deal, though we should have insisted on the return of all NVA forces to the north. Don't knock effective tactics.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:23:09pm

re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth

Again. I hate this planet sometimes.

Really, what did the Planet ever do to you?

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:23:25pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

We just need to label the "Child Marriage Bill" as an effort to combat the "Sharia Creep", and they would likely flip their votes on a dime.

One of the links at the site actually is some site going on about how the bill is a slap at 'the Islamic way of doing things'.

Well, next time someone asks me how I can vote Democrat when they're letting the jihadis take over, I'll have a link for 'em.

//

313 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:23:42pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

We just need to label the "Child Marriage Bill" as an effort to combat the "Sharia Creep", and they would likely flip their votes on a dime.

That would get it some support and the linkage isn't even bogus, truth to tell.

314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:24:01pm

re: #287 ggt

There are plenty of examples in days past of girls getting pregnant, then married, JUST so they can get out of their parent's home. Now, she doesn't have to get married, and she can still move-out and get rent and other benefits from the government.

Somehow, I think the problem isn't being addressed and there is still a basically unwanted child in the equation.

Back in late August of 08 when people were freaking out about Bristol Palin, that was my initial thought. Who the hell knows outside of Bristol herself, but I'd seen that so much of that, especially in conservative families, from conservative hick towns in the middle of nothing. Pregancy can open the door to an escape.

Lol and look at Bristol now, rich and famous for running and getting knocked up. Well, good on her I say.

315 JamesWI  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:25:03pm

So, the first time that the Republican House finally decides to do something concerning the economy/budget (instead of going after NPR or Planned Parenthood)........and it's to .......destroy our economy.

Yeah, these guys (and gals) are winners.

316 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:28:15pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Bombing North Vietnam hard (Operations Linebacker I and II) did work to force the North to cut a deal, though we should have insisted on the return of all NVA forces to the north. Don't knock effective tactics.

It also slaughtered a lot of civilians, so I'll knock it if I feel like it.

They didn't even have our oil. ///

If it were you and yours being bombed because some jackwads overseas hate the tea party, you would not have such a cavalier attitude. Plus, we now prop up their corrupt commie governments in exchange for making all the clothes we wear and these computers we're typing on.

Hooray for carpet bombs....they keep our Mac Book Pros down to $2499 a pop.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:30:38pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, it's a 'developing world' bill.

For shame.

Seriously, for effing shame!

And all honor to:

Michael Castle
Rep. Ander Crenshaw [R, FL-4]
Rep. Charles Dent [R, PA-15]
Vernon Ehlers
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen [R, NJ-11]
Rep. Thomas Latham [R, IA-4]
Rep. Steven LaTourette [R, OH-14]
Rep. Erik Paulsen [R, MN-3]
Rep. Aaron Schock [R, IL-18]
Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R, WI-5]
Rep. Michael Simpson [R, ID-2]
Rep. Patrick Tiberi [R, OH-12]

Republicans in favor.

318 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:32:09pm

re: #316 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Actually, Linebacker didn't use carpet bombing anywhere near any cities. Carpet bombing raids were used, but those were against NVA tank and troop formations. Blasting an enemy division apart with a massive bombing raid is OK.

And actually, these days Vietnam is an oil exporter.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:32:49pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

That would get it some support and the linkage isn't even bogus, truth to tell.

I just hate, hate, hate the idea that little girls dying in childbirth only becomes BAD to some people if they're in Muslim countries.

320 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:32:50pm

re: #59 jaunte

NH Democratic Party accused of ‘religious intolerance’

Some of the comments on that news story are unbelievable. One, because someone wrote the comments; and second, because tens or hundreds of others 'liked' them.

321 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:34:27pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R, WI-5

SOB has been an embarrassment to WI since 1979. Feh.

322 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:34:46pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

That would get it some support and the linkage isn't even bogus, truth to tell.

This would be the spot where heads explode.

Sharia Creep bad, Whacko Christian Creep good.

"Wait, you mean the same laws apply? If we say they can't do something, it means we can't either? B,b,b,b,but . . . . . . (I need a good youtube for heads exploding to insert here).

The race to theocracy . . . .American Style

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:35:02pm

re: #321 wlewisiii

SOB has been an embarrassment to WI since 1979. Feh.

Come on! Give him a cookie for this one!!

324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:35:11pm

re: #308 ggt

Seriously. There are women's rights or civil rights groups here that get lambasted for their hypocritical silence on the abuses of same in Islamic theocracies, and deservedly so I think.

In the same way, this albatross should be hung about the GOP's neck as an illustration of their own hypocrisy. Especially the ones that shout the loudest about the abuses of Islamic theocracies, but are obviously comfortable with the same abuses exacted in the name of Jesus.

325 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:36:22pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Linebacker didn't use carpet bombing anywhere near any cities. Carpet bombing raids were used, but those were against NVA tank and troop formations. Blasting an enemy division apart with a massive bombing raid is OK.

And actually, these days Vietnam is an oil exporter.

Oil, rice & chips. It's turning into a strange cross between China, Russia & South Korea. My bet is the Asian Tiger side wins in the long run. But then, I hope my son can go home, with pleasure, someday.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:36:47pm

re: #324 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously. There are women's rights or civil rights groups here that get lambasted for their hypocritical silence on the abuses of same in Islamic theocracies, and deservedly so I think.

In the same way, this albatross should be hung about the GOP's neck as an illustration of their own hypocrisy. Especially the ones that shout the loudest about the abuses of Islamic theocracies, but are obviously comfortable with the same abuses exacted in the name of Jesus.

Yep

327 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:38:02pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

Come on! Give him a cookie for this one!!

Well, only because it's you asking.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:39:49pm

re: #327 wlewisiii

Well, only because it's you asking.

Can I have a cookie too?

Are they Chocolate?

329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:39:53pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Linebacker didn't use carpet bombing anywhere near any cities.

I didn't say anything about Linebacker.

If bombing countries did not kill -- I don't give a damn whether it's civilians or military personnel -- we would not have done it.

That's the reason neoconservative chickenhawks love war anyway, is the proxy-kill factor. Someone else does the killing, they get to feel the power. No better than the Hindutva cowards hiding behind Israeli citizens, to get back at the Muslims for them.

Carpet bombing raids were used, but those were against NVA tank and troop formations. Blasting an enemy division apart with a massive bombing raid is OK.

And actually, these days Vietnam is an oil exporter.

Vietnam is an oil exporter, as well as rice and rubber, and is a supplier of labor for textiles. Not just to the US, either.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Go through your clothes and shoes, and see how many bear the label "assembled in Vietnam".

330 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:39:59pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

And the inverse. Condemnation for these Democrats.

Frederick Boucher
Travis Childers
Rep. Jerry Costello [D, IL-12]
Rep. Tim Holden [D, PA-17]
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3]
Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23]
Rep. Nick Rahall [D, WV-3]
Gene Taylor

331 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:40:05pm

re: #311 ggt

Really, what did the Planet ever do to you?

Well, I'm not female, so I've missed many of it's abuses.

But, all over the world, they [females] get the shit end of the stick. I don't think it's right, and that is why I sometimes hate this planet.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:40:57pm

re: #330 ProLifeLiberal

And the inverse. Condemnation for these Democrats.

Frederick Boucher
Travis Childers
Rep. Jerry Costello [D, IL-12]
Rep. Tim Holden [D, PA-17]
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3]
Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23]
Rep. Nick Rahall [D, WV-3]
Gene Taylor

Damn skippy!

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:41:02pm

re: #330 ProLifeLiberal

And the inverse. Condemnation for these Democrats.

Frederick Boucher
Travis Childers
Rep. Jerry Costello [D, IL-12]
Rep. Tim Holden [D, PA-17]
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3]
Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23]
Rep. Nick Rahall [D, WV-3]
Gene Taylor

Wow, 2 D from IL against and 1 R for.

Whodathunk it?

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:41:13pm

re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I'm not female, so I've missed many of it's abuses.

But, all over the world, they [females] get the shit end of the stick. I don't think it's right, and that is why I sometimes hate this planet.

Ain't the planet, dude, it's the people...

335 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:41:42pm

re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I'm not female, so I've missed many of it's abuses.

But, all over the world, they [females] get the shit end of the stick. I don't think it's right, and that is why I sometimes hate this planet.

But, is it the planet or it's inhabitants that are to blame?

336 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:41:43pm

re: #329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


Vietnam is an oil exporter, as well as rice and rubber, and is a supplier of labor for textiles. Not just to the US, either.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Go through your clothes and shoes, and see how many bear the label "assembled in Vietnam".

And?

337 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:42:41pm

re: #68 austin_blue

David Brooks is not a happy man:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Dear David Brooks,

Where were you over the last 20+ years when the Show Horses, Big Government Blowhards, Beltway Bandits and Permanent Campaigners were taking over your party and steadily dumbing it down to the point where being batshit crazy and reactionary is a feature and not a bug?

Yeah. That's what I thought. STFU and sit down. You're part of the problem.

Maybe if you and the rest of the so-called "practical conservatives" had paid attention instead of giving those idiots an audience and, more importantly, your votes, you might not be in this mess now. Want to blame those groups? Fine. But look in the mirror and realize you put them there. It's your fault too.

No love,
Me

338 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:45:50pm

re: #336 wlewisiii

And?

And?

Vietnam exports all manner of things, not just oil.

The original point was, there was a lot going on in 1971. PLL seems shocked that no one here cares about the East Pakistan/Bangladesh war and the genocide that happened.

People don't even care about genocide happening on our own shores, during the same time period.

Not an excuse. There was a lot going on in America in 1971.

339 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:46:24pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

Ain't the planet, dude, it's the people...

Come to think of it --I blame the planet for this menapausal shit! The people didn't make men and women, nature did.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:46:28pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #335 ggt

I know, I know. It's just that sometimes I want to get off this gawt damned rock and leave all those assholes behind.

Youtube Video
341 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:48:49pm

re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #335 ggt

I know, I know. It's just that sometimes I want to get off this gawt damned rock and leave all those assholes behind.

[Video]

lend your financial support to New Mexico's SpacePort. They will be offering shuttle rides starting at $200K when the SpacePort is finished. Just think of the Duty Free shops they will have!

342 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:49:00pm

re: #329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You can just drop that "chickenhawk" shit right now. That word is horseshit and was only invented to let liberals sling mud at conservatives.

343 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:51:54pm

What's up with all the anti David Brooks rhetoric? The far right never listened to David Brooks. And David Brooks has been calling out the extremists for some time now. Not the least of which we have an example in which he wrote in 2008 Sarah Palin "Represents A Fatal Cancer To The Republican Party".

344 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:52:05pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

You can just drop that "chickenhawk" shit right now. That word is horseshit and was only invented to let liberals sling mud at conservatives.

Except that it has basis in fact. Some of the loudest proponents of war in the conservative media and among their elected officials have never served in the military, or they found ways out of serving. Ergo, they're chickenhawks.

It's like the 101st Chairborne commandos -- internet tough guys who talk shit about war and about how we should bomb everyone else into American submission, but if the shit hit the fan, they'd hide under their desks. Same thing, except chickenhawks have positions in the media and in elected office.

345 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:52:49pm

Well, all, it's that time again.

Have a great morning!

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:52:59pm

re: #343 Gus 802

What's up with all the anti David Brooks rhetoric? The far right never listened to David Brooks. And David Brooks has been calling out the extremists for some time now. Not the least of which we have an example in which he wrote in 2008 Sarah Palin "Represents A Fatal Cancer To The Republican Party".

We're getting dogmatic around here.

347 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:53:42pm

re: #343 Gus 802

What's up with all the anti David Brooks rhetoric? The far right never listened to David Brooks. And David Brooks has been calling out the extremists for some time now. Not the least of which we have an example in which he wrote in 2008 Sarah Palin "Represents A Fatal Cancer To The Republican Party".

Did he still end up voting for those extremists? Did he still vote McCain despite that "fatal cancer" on the ticket? Then all those words were pointless.

348 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:54:09pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

We're getting dogmatic around here.

I noticed. Don't like it. Don't like it at all. He's a journalist for Christ's sake.

349 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:55:25pm

re: #347 Lidane

Did he still end up voting for those extremists? Did he still vote McCain despite that "fatal cancer" on the ticket? Then all those words were pointless.

I voted for McCain. Charles voted for McCain. Lots of people at LGF voted for McCain. And another thing. It's a known fact that the anti-war left used to consider Little Green Footballs part of the 101st Chairborne.

350 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:55:39pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

You can just drop that "chickenhawk" shit right now.

Won't happen, so long as you are dropping chickenhawk pretexts to rationalize carpetbombing Vietnam 40 years ago, and drop chickenhawk excuses for 1- cheap access to Baharaini/Saudi Oil at the expense of the people living on top of it, and 2- turn around and employ the Infamous Broad Brush against the same Arab refugees we create with those actions.

I can, and I will.

351 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:55:43pm

re: #347 Lidane

Did he still end up voting for those extremists? Did he still vote McCain despite that "fatal cancer" on the ticket? Then all those words were pointless.

What was the alternative? Vote for Obama? He could no more have done that than I could have. McCain's a good sort, and all else having been said, no way was I going to vote for Obama over him.

352 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:56:42pm

re: #350 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Fine. And I can downding you the insult, and I will.

353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:57:12pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

That word is horseshit and was only invented to let liberals sling mud at conservatives.

Conservatives are not oppressed. You are not oppressed by liberals, and you are not oppressed by anything I say on LGF, so cry me a river.

354 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:57:21pm

re: #344 Lidane

Except that it has basis in fact. Some of the loudest proponents of war in the conservative media and among their elected officials have never served in the military, or they found ways out of serving. Ergo, they're chickenhawks.

It's like the 101st Chairborne commandos -- internet tough guys who talk shit about war and about how we should bomb everyone else into American submission, but if the shit hit the fan, they'd hide under their desks. Same thing, except chickenhawks have positions in the media and in elected office.

Gotta agree here DF. I'll let them off the hook when they volunteer to fight the wars they want. At least let them be honest imperialists like TR.

355 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:57:26pm

re: #350 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Won't happen, so long as you are dropping chickenhawk pretexts to rationalize carpetbombing Vietnam 40 years ago, and drop chickenhawk excuses for 1- cheap access to Baharaini/Saudi Oil at the expense of the people living on top of it, and 2- turn around and employ the Infamous Broad Brush against the same Arab refugees we create with those actions.

I can, and I will.

You can thank Democrat LBJ for taking us deep into the mud of Vietnam. Including JFK. Both of them would be considered hawks by today's left.

356 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:57:58pm

re: #344 Lidane

It's a bogus phrase. Similar standards can apply to our current POTUS, and I wouldn't approve of calling him a chickenhawk either.

357 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:59:04pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

What was the alternative? Vote for Obama? He could no more have done that than I could have. McCain's a good sort, and all else having been said, no way was I going to vote for Obama over him.

The point is, if Brooks sat there and called out the "fatal cancer" of Palin to the GOP, but voted McCain anyway, then calling her out was meaningless.

Vote third party. Stay home. Write in someone else for POTUS. Leave the slot blank. I've done that before. I've done it here in Texas because I know my vote isn't going to count for anything, since this state will go to whoever the GOP nominates. Don't just vote for a candidate from "your side" because he has the "right" letter after their name.

358 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:59:40pm

re: #353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Who said anything about oppression? Not me. I said it was horseshit. That ain't the same thing as saying I'm "oppressed" by it.

359 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:00:35pm

re: #357 Lidane

The point is, if Brooks sat there and called out the "fatal cancer" of Palin to the GOP, but voted McCain anyway, then calling her out was meaningless.

Vote third party. Stay home. Write in someone else for POTUS. Leave the slot blank. I've done that before. I've done it here in Texas because I know my vote isn't going to count for anything, since this state will go to whoever the GOP nominates. Don't just vote for a candidate from "your side" because he has the "right" letter after their name.

Then anyone that voted for McCain that calls her out now is meaningless no?

Does that sound familiar? I mean does it sound familiar in that many people voted for McCain/Palin?

So anyone that voted for McCain should keep their mouth shut?

360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:01:04pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Fine. And I can downding you the insult, and I will.

Downding away, if it makes you feel more secure in your beliefs.

361 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:01:17pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

You can just drop that "chickenhawk" shit right now. That word is horseshit and was only invented to let liberals sling mud at conservatives.

Weak sauce, plenty of conservatives serve and plenty of liberals advocate for military interventions. The word chickenhawk applies equally to hypocritical cowards across party lines.

362 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:01:20pm

Fuck, where's my bat?!?
///

363 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:03:03pm

re: #355 Gus 802

You can thank Democrat LBJ for taking us deep into the mud of Vietnam. Including JFK. Both of them would be considered hawks by today's left.

They were considered warhawks, fwiw, by the left of their day, too.

I can also thank Clinton for DADT, DOMA and NAFTA, and Woodrow Wilson for segregation in every federal facility starting in 1915.

Point?

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:03:08pm

re: #357 Lidane

A vote for anyone other than McCain was a vote for Obama. It's a two party system. Though I didn't have the feelings Brooks did. I initially saw Sarah Palin as a positive contribution, and after she faltered as a fool. The really bad stuff I only noticed months after the election was over.

365 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:04:06pm

re: #359 Gus 802

Then anyone that voted for McCain that calls her out now is meaningless no?

Does that sound familiar? I mean does it sound familiar in that many people voted for McCain/Palin?

So anyone that voted for McCain should keep their mouth shut?

It's not a matter of keeping your mouth shut. It's a matter of realizing that this is why the GOP is in the shitty state it's in. People keep voting for the batshit candidates. People keep watching Fox News and listening to the howler monkeys on talk radio and giving them legitimacy.

If people want the GOP to change and to actually become sane, then stop voting for these people. Just stop. Stop voting for them. Stop listening to them on the radio. Stop buying their books or watching them on Fox. It's not enough to just call them out then vote for them anyway.

366 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:04:30pm

re: #355 Gus 802

You can thank Democrat LBJ for taking us deep into the mud of Vietnam. Including JFK. Both of them would be considered hawks by today's left.

Yeah but JFK, like John McCain today, could never be called 'chicken' anything.

367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:05:05pm

re: #358 Dark_Falcon

Who said anything about oppression? Not me. I said it was horseshit. That ain't the same thing as saying I'm "oppressed" by it.

Plenty of horseshit goes on at LGF, does it not?

TMK, few people make a big show of taking offense to it and just go ahead and downding.

Small issue, small observation, really doesn't matter.

368 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:06:05pm

re: #355 Gus 802

To be fair to Kennedy, he was planning on withdrawal before he was killed.

And to be fair to both of them, I think we can all agree I'm one of the more leftist people on here, and I was pro-intervention for Libya way before the UN resolution. And unusually for someone of my political type, I tend to be extremely realpolitik, as most of you would agree.

369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:06:30pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Yeah but JFK, like John McCain today, could never be called 'chicken' anything.

Except by fellow cons like Rick "Please don't think of me as ethnic" Santorum.

370 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:07:02pm

re: #353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Conservatives are not oppressed. You are not oppressed by liberals, and you are not oppressed by anything I say on LGF, so cry me a river.

An objection to a statement you made or a phrase you used is no more a cry of oppression than is your criticism of said objection.

*Ahem*

371 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:07:31pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Yeah but JFK, like John McCain today, could never be called 'chicken' anything.

McCain's not a chickenhawk. At all. However, Limbaugh IS. Beck IS. Hannity, Gingrich, etc... those are chickenhawks.

372 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:07:42pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Especially when the guy had strings pulled get into the military, not out of it. He was rejected by the army (I think?) because of Health Issues. Which were numerous in his case.

Kennedy was the sickliest presidents we ever had.

373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:08:20pm

re: #370 Slumbering Behemoth

An objection to a statement you made or a phrase you used is no more a cry of oppression than is your criticism of said objection.

*Ahem*

If you keep that up, I am going to cry broad brush.

And then where will you be, mister!

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:09:22pm

re: #373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

If you keep that up, I am going to cry broad brush.

And then where will you be, mister!

Lying in the cut, avoiding your broad brush, sister!
/do I have the "sister" part right?

375 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:09:49pm

re: #371 Lidane

Well, I only mentioned McCain by way of example. He argues for interventions whenever he wishes, since one thing no one can ever say is that he and his family don't pull their weight in war. McCains have served in every major war this nation has ever fought.

376 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:10:13pm

re: #365 Lidane

It's not a matter of keeping your mouth shut. It's a matter of realizing that this is why the GOP is in the shitty state it's in. People keep voting for the batshit candidates. People keep watching Fox News and listening to the howler monkeys on talk radio and giving them legitimacy.

If people want the GOP to change and to actually become sane, then stop voting for these people. Just stop. Stop voting for them. Stop listening to them on the radio. Stop buying their books or watching them on Fox. It's not enough to just call them out then vote for them anyway.

How? So they can have candidates like Romney and possibly Giulianni only to have the left still ridiculing them? I've been around this biz since 1976 and I know damn well that the left hates the Republican party regardless of whether they're far right or moderate Republicans. I had people call McCain a Nazi and heard many a moonbat call Bush a Nazi to no end from 2000 to 2008. And they're relative moderates. Stop voting for whom? Stop voting for Bush or McCain? Then what? Have a one-party state run by Democrats and only Democrats? No thanks. And I voted straight Democrats in the last election. Still, this is going to far.

377 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:12:23pm

re: #372 ProLifeLiberal

Especially when the guy had strings pulled get into the military, not out of it. He was rejected by the army (I think?) because of Health Issues. Which were numerous in his case.

Kennedy was the sickliest presidents we ever had.

Still, sickly though he was, he wanted to fight for his country. He pushed to get combat duty, and even modified his PT Boat with an old 37mm cannon to improve its effectiveness against Japanese landing barges. For all his problems, that willingness to give his all for America was one of Kennedy's best qualities.

378 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:13:07pm

It's late here in flyover. See you all in the morning.

379 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:13:18pm

re: #374 Slumbering Behemoth

Lying in the cut, avoiding your broad brush, sister!
/do I have the "sister" part right?

Well yes and no, because you spelled it wrong. The correct rendering is "sista".

Sista employs no broad brushes, because I have no need for them. I have only very narrow brushes in my kit.

380 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:14:06pm

And then hearing the left call McCain a "war criminal". A war criminal? Give me a break. Most of them still think he had something to do with the USS Forrestal fire. He had nothing to do with it other than being on the flight deck.

381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:14:58pm

The chickenhawk label, as it is thrown about these days, is crap. Stupid. Totally weak.

How about this...

If you plead for peace, yet have never once served in the Peace Corps, would it be legitimate for people to call you a "chickentwat", or some other derivative of the asinine label "chickenhawk"?

382 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:15:18pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention what happened to his older brother.

The guy must have been a human tanuki.

Unfortunately for me, Asperger's Syndrome and Autism bar me from military service.

383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:15:53pm

re: #376 Gus 802

How? So they can have candidates like Romney and possibly Giulianni only to have the left still ridiculing them? I've been around this biz since 1976 and I know damn well that the left hates the Republican party regardless of whether they're far right or moderate Republicans. I had people call McCain a Nazi and heard many a moonbat call Bush a Nazi to no end from 2000 to 2008. And they're relative moderates. Stop voting for whom? Stop voting for Bush or McCain? Then what? Have a one-party state run by Democrats and only Democrats? No thanks. And I voted straight Democrats in the last election. Still, this is going to far.

Slippery slope.

How about Republicans start putting some normal people on ballots, instead of dumb, teabagging bigots backed by psychos like Judson Phillips and Sal Russo?

Problem solved.

384 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:16:13pm

re: #380 Gus 802

And then hearing the left call McCain a "war criminal". A war criminal? Give me a break. Most of them still think he had something to do with the USS Forrestal fire. He had nothing to do with it other than being on the flight deck.

They wanted a reason to hate the (political) enemy. Its the same old tired routine of riling up jerks who need an "Outrageous Outrage!!1" fix.

385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:17:07pm

re: #380 Gus 802

And then hearing the left call McCain a "war criminal". A war criminal? Give me a break. Most of them still think he had something to do with the USS Forrestal fire. He had nothing to do with it other than being on the flight deck.

McCain only wishes he was the player Newt is.

And that's really sad.

386 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:17:47pm

re: #383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Slippery slope.

How about Republicans start putting some normal people on ballots, instead of dumb, teabagging bigots backed by psychos like Judson Phillips and Sal Russo?

Problem solved.

And what about Kucinich and Gravel in 2008? What about that slime ball John Edwards in 2008? Or Al Sharpton? Come on. Yes. The Republicans have a bunch of nuts vying for the presidency this time around but no one can tell me with a straight face that the Democrats never had their own version of insanity.

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:18:00pm

re: #380 Gus 802

And then hearing the left call McCain a "war criminal". A war criminal? Give me a break. Most of them still think he had something to do with the USS Forrestal fire. He had nothing to do with it other than being on the flight deck.

Anyone I've heard of?

388 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:19:12pm

re: #379 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well yes and no, because you spelled it wrong. The correct rendering is "sista".

I was only trying to ascertain if I was correct in assuming your gender.

Sista employs no broad brushes, because I have no need for them. I have only very narrow brushes in my kit.

Not true. I've seen you swing one the size of a janitors mop.

389 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:20:15pm

re: #385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

McCain only wishes he was the player Newt is.

And that's really sad.

So only Republicans are players? Since when? Does Bill Clinton ring a bell?

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:20:43pm

Night all.

No fighting, no biting.

391 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:20:46pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone I've heard of?

Nah. This was in Denver.

392 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:20:58pm

re: #386 Gus 802

Four legs good, two legs bad. You know this.

393 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:21:32pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

The chickenhawk label, as it is thrown about these days, is crap. Stupid. Totally weak.

How about this...

If you plead for peace, yet have never once served in the Peace Corps, would it be legitimate for people to call you a "chickentwat", or some other derivative of the asinine label "chickenhawk"?

Apples/ironing boards. There are plenty of avenues for serving for peace outside just the Peace Corps.

Eitherway, call me a "chickentwat", who cares? Trust me, I've been called far worse by cons, both online an off.

There is no reason to take offense to a throwaway term like "chickenhawk" if one isn't hiding behind the military and plush government contracts to bomb-builders to satisfy their personal bloodthirst. //

394 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:21:39pm

re: #376 Gus 802

I've voted Republican in the past for state and local elections. I'd consider voting for a SANE Republican for POTUS if one of them actually ran for office and if the Republican party didn't work so hard to make me NOT want to vote for them.

The only reason I vote Democratic anymore these days is because it's a protest vote against the batshit insane Texas GOP freakshow. The Dems around here are either entirely useless or they're indistinguishable from the GOP. The GOP has a 101-49 supermajority in the Texas House, a sizable majority in the Senate and the governor's mansion. Being anything other than a Republican in this state is a fool's errand, but I do it anyway just to register my disaffection with the Bad Crazy around here.

Problem is, the national GOP baggage and the freakshow that is the current Texas GOP preclude me ever voting Republican again. It sucks. I'd like more than one choice, but as long as the GOP caters to the far right, anti-intellectual, anti-reason, anti-science, anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-minority teabagger wingnut base, I've only got one real choice. Or I can stay home. Or leave a spot blank on a ballot if there's no other choice.

It would be nice if we had two functioning parties. Or if we had election laws that allowed for viable third parties.

395 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:22:05pm

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

Night all.

No fighting, no biting.

Awww, damn it!

396 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:24:05pm

re: #393 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Apples/ironing boards. There are plenty of avenues for serving for peace outside just the Peace Corps.

And there are plenty of reasons a person can support a war effort without having served. The "chickenhawk" epithet is weak, and often employed by the weak of mind.

397 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:24:42pm

re: #394 Lidane

OK, I can understand that.

398 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:25:13pm

re: #386 Gus 802

And what about Kucinich and Gravel in 2008? What about that slime ball John Edwards in 2008? Or Al Sharpton? Come on. Yes. The Republicans have a bunch of nuts vying for the presidency this time around but no one can tell me with a straight face that the Democrats never had their own version of insanity.

Except that the Dems had a come-to-Jesus moment after watching Mondale get humiliated by Reagan in 1984. They marginalized their kooks and the far left moonbats from positions of real power and moved to the center as a party. Yeah, there are kooks like Sharpton and Gravel, but how much sway do they REALLY have with the party leadership?

The GOP, on the other hand, elevates their insane kooks to positions of real influence. That's a problem, and until the GOP suffers a similar national humiliation with a True Believer as the nominee, things aren't going to change.

399 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:29:56pm

Gotta get to bed.

400 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:30:17pm

re: #386 Gus 802

And what about Kucinich and Gravel in 2008? What about that slime ball John Edwards in 2008? Or Al Sharpton? Come on. Yes. The Republicans have a bunch of nuts vying for the presidency this time around but no one can tell me with a straight face that the Democrats never had their own version of insanity.

That wasn't the argument, plus apples/lawnmowers.

Edwards and Kucinich are the only things close to mainstream left crankodoodlism. Edwards discredited himself 100%, though if he hadn't, he would have been my first choice over Obama.

Sharpton = Pure Showbiz in my book, not too far off from Palin. Although, he did endear himself to me in 2004 by stating look, as the only person here qualified to marry gay couples, yes, I would do it. Now, of course now that gay marriage will be legal starting next week, we'll see if he follows through on that. But at the time, I saw no white pastors, who are supposed to be so much more socially advanced, saying anything of the sort.

TPN and TPX otoh supported psychotics like Angle, Joe Miller, Christine O'Donnell, Star Parker, and that's not even counting the Palin endorsees like John Raese and Allen West.

No comparison, in my mind. Call it what you will.

401 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:30:35pm

re: #398 Lidane

Except that the Dems had a come-to-Jesus moment after watching Mondale get humiliated by Reagan in 1984. They marginalized their kooks and the far left moonbats from positions of real power and moved to the center as a party. Yeah, there are kooks like Sharpton and Gravel, but how much sway do they REALLY have with the party leadership?

The GOP, on the other hand, elevates their insane kooks to positions of real influence. That's a problem, and until the GOP suffers a similar national humiliation with a True Believer as the nominee, things aren't going to change.

I'd have to agree with that. They've been poisoned and it sucks.

402 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:31:08pm

Funny how it took a Democratic president for these "fiscal conservatives" to find their principles:

130 Republicans Who Are In Congress Today Voted To Hike The Debt Ceiling Under Bush Without Hostage Threats

403 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:31:44pm

re: #400 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That wasn't the argument, plus apples/lawnmowers.

Edwards and Kucinich are the only things close to mainstream left crankodoodlism. Edwards discredited himself 100%, though if he hadn't, he would have been my first choice over Obama.

Sharpton = Pure Showbiz in my book, not too far off from Palin. Although, he did endear himself to me in 2004 by stating look, as the only person here qualified to marry gay couples, yes, I would do it. Now, of course now that gay marriage will be legal starting next week, we'll see if he follows through on that. But at the time, I saw no white pastors, who are supposed to be so much more socially advanced, saying anything of the sort.

TPN and TPX otoh supported psychotics like Angle, Joe Miller, Christine O'Donnell, Star Parker, and that's not even counting the Palin endorsees like John Raese and Allen West.

No comparison, in my mind. Call it what you will.

Yes master.

404 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:34:48pm

re: #402 Lidane

Funny how it took a Democratic president for these "fiscal conservatives" to find their principles:

130 Republicans Who Are In Congress Today Voted To Hike The Debt Ceiling Under Bush Without Hostage Threats

Always the same. Four legs good, two legs bad.

Partisanship is a poison.

405 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:35:56pm

re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth

And there are plenty of reasons a person can support a war effort without having served. The "chickenhawk" epithet is weak, and often employed by the weak of mind.

Only often? Are you sure?

Look, in case it's not clear, I just don't care if "chickenhawk" hurts conservative sensibilities, especially considering how many of them support dumb humanity-killing wars like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Korea, too.

Those countries never attacked us. Even the GOP wants out of them, not even a decade later.

They can surely withstand someone on the internet saying "chickenhawk" every once in a blue moon. It doesn't hurt, and holds back no one.

406 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:39:27pm

re: #405 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Only often? Are you sure?

Look, in case it's not clear, I just don't care if "chickenhawk" hurts conservative sensibilities, especially considering how many of them support dumb humanity-killing wars like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Korea, too.

Those countries never attacked us. Even the GOP wants out of them, not even a decade later.

They can surely withstand someone on the internet saying "chickenhawk" every once in a blue moon. It doesn't hurt, and holds back no one.

So you would agree then that Barack Obama is a chickenhawk as well? He fits the definition.

407 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:42:05pm

re: #403 Gus 802

Yes master.

I'm no one's master, you are no one's servant.

Hope this works... (.ra file)

[Link: www.redhotjazz.com...]

408 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:44:42pm

re: #406 Gus 802

So you would agree then that Barack Obama is a chickenhawk as well? He fits the definition.

Is that why all the chickenhawk Rs are now crying for us to leave Iraq and Afghanistan?

Really? Lol!

BTW, let's just get this out of the way right now -- I'm an Obama voter but casting Obama as a centrist has no effect on me whatsoever. If it makes you feel more secure/vindicated to hear one of his Black constituents call him a chickenhawk, I have no problem doing it.

409 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:46:41pm

re: #405 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Those countries never attacked us. Even the GOP wants out of them, not even a decade later.

Hypocrisy on their part, and they should be made to own it. And (R)s weren't the only ones who voted "yea" for such things. Not so many "chickenhawk" epithets spewed at the (D)s for the same.

They can surely withstand someone on the internet saying "chickenhawk" every once in a blue moon. It doesn't hurt, and holds back no one.

None of them gives a shit what someone on the internet says. But calling someone a "chickenhawk" because they never served is on the same level of bogus bullshit as saying "atheism is a religion".

It's a low handed cop-out devoid of any real meaning.

410 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:47:07pm

re: #402 Lidane

Funny how it took a Democratic president for these "fiscal conservatives" to find their principles:

130 Republicans Who Are In Congress Today Voted To Hike The Debt Ceiling Under Bush Without Hostage Threats

Too many of them are just a full of crap as their socon allies. No ethics, no morals, outside of mo' money.

Gang members in suits, with Blackberrys.

411 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:48:56pm

re: #408 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is that why all the chickenhawk Rs are now crying for us to leave Iraq and Afghanistan?

Really? Lol!

BTW, let's just get this out of the way right now -- I'm an Obama voter but casting Obama as a centrist has no effect on me whatsoever. If it makes you feel more secure/vindicated to hear one of his Black constituents call him a chickenhawk, I have no problem doing it.

I'm glad you got all of that out of my question. I have no idea what the Republicans are saying regarding him possibly being a chickenhawk. But if we use the definition "a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age" then Obama would also be a chickenhawk considering his strong support of the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Libya. Why should it be any different? Or is chickenhawk only applied to right wingers/Republicans?

412 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:54:06pm

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

Always the same. Four legs good, two legs bad.

Partisanship is a poison.

Let's not forget that Senator Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling limit in 2006. But that's different I suppose. Odd you know. I remember arguing against the "that's different memes" with people on the right. It's always different when it's one of their own.

413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:55:53pm

re: #409 Slumbering Behemoth

But calling someone a "chickenhawk" because they never served is on the same level of bogus bullshit as saying "atheism is a religion".

Ngh. Lousy analogy, since that wasn't my argument at all.

People sure are quick to rack up glamor points as faux targets and quasi-victims, even though they aren't targeted in the least. Where do people get this idea it's fashionable to be put-upon?

Again, the only reason we are even in this conversation is because I used the term in #329, more specifically, "neoconservative chickenhawks".

So no, I'm not apologizing for any hurt feelings that results from my use of the narrow brush. Support shyt wars like Afghanistan and Iraq, you support people getting not only *actually* hurt, outside of sensitivity to some words on the internet, but killed outright.

Iraq/Afghanistan war voters can just imagine themselves as strong laptop warriors, and come butch up and take it. The people in the field -- thanks to them -- have to deal with far worse than a silly internet epithet.

414 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:58:56pm

re: #412 Gus 802

It's a mind boggling experience, the first time you step back from all the partisanship and actually look at the way people mindlessly root for their team. I guess that's why televised sports are so popular around the world.
/semi

415 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:01:50am

re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a mind boggling experience, the first time you step back from all the partisanship and actually look at the way people mindlessly root for their team. I guess that's why televised sports are so popular around the world.
/semi

Both parties employ the "11th Commandment." History is never kind. And one should only bring up the history of your opponent; never of the people on your team. I see this happen over and over a again.

416 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:02:54am

re: #411 Gus 802

But if we use the definition "a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age" then Obama would also be a chickenhawk considering his strong support of the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Libya. Why should it be any different? Or is chickenhawk only applied to right wingers/Republicans?

e_e

Please refer to the post that contained the original cause for such consternation and indignance, #329.

The original quote was "neocon chickenhawk."

Fine with me if you want to define Obama as a "neocon chickenhawk", I can point you to a bunch of disgruntled, crypto-PUMA "progressives" who are falling all over themselves to agree with you.

You won't find me gung-ho for the drone attacks, NATO excursions into Yemen, Libya, Somalia, or anywhere else, though. Unlike the hair-on-fire so-called "progressives", I already knew I was voting for a prowar president. There weren't any viable antiwar candidates in 2008.

417 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:05:43am

re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a mind boggling experience, the first time you step back from all the partisanship and actually look at the way people mindlessly root for their team.

Isn't it, though.

418 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:08:03am

re: #416 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

e_e

Please refer to the post that contained the original cause for such consternation and indignance, #329.

The original quote was "neocon chickenhawk."

Fine with me if you want to define Obama as a "neocon chickenhawk", I can point you to a bunch of disgruntled, crypto-PUMA "progressives" who are falling all over themselves to agree with you.

You won't find me gung-ho for the drone attacks, NATO excursions into Yemen, Libya, Somalia, or anywhere else, though. Unlike the hair-on-fire so-called "progressives", I already knew I was voting for a prowar president. There weren't any viable antiwar candidates in 2008.

Well. You might not know this but I too have used the word chickenhawk here on many occasions. I don't however push my use of the word too far since I know it makes some people angry. There is also that history I mentioned. I'm not talking about you here I'm simply asking the question "is Obama a chickenhawk?" I think he is since he fits the definition perfectly. There are neocon chickenhawks and liberal chickenhawks. There's one rather well known comedian on Twitter that started using the phrase "cruise missile liberals" regarding the "engagement" in Libya. I'm kind of the resident hybrid weirdo here.

419 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:08:54am

Praise Gravel.

420 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:10:11am

re: #413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ngh. Lousy analogy, since that wasn't my argument at all.

The analogy stands, as it is reasonable. And I never said that was part of your argument. I was simply adding further comment on the ongoing discussion of the brain dead term "chickenhawk". You know this.

People sure are quick to rack up glamor points as faux targets and quasi-victims, even though they aren't targeted in the least. Where do people get this idea it's fashionable to be put-upon?

Dunno. It's like you can't express a point of criticism or contention without someone crying that you're butt-hurt, feeling oppressed, or put-upon. What's that about? It sounds like projection to me.

So no, I'm not apologizing for any hurt feelings that results from my use of the narrow brush.

Ah. Your brush may be narrow at times, but not always. Heh, but you're just mocking me for that one time I called you on your obvious broad brushing. I think the only hurt feelings here are yours.

421 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:13:11am

I guess my point is that it's OK to use the word chickenhawk if you so desire. Just don't be an asshole about it. It's like when I used the word Teakluxklan once or twice here. Some people freaked out so I just stopped using it.

422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:22:44am

re: #418 Gus 802

Well. You might not know this but I too have used the word chickenhawk here on many occasions. I don't however push my use of the word too far since I know it makes some people angry. There is also that history I mentioned. I'm not talking about you here I'm simply asking the question "is Obama a chickenhawk?" I think he is since he fits the definition perfectly. There are neocon chickenhawks and liberal chickenhawks. There's one rather well known comedian on Twitter that started using the phrase "cruise missile liberals" regarding the "engagement" in Libya. I'm kind of the resident hybrid weirdo here.

Eh, to each their own, live and let live.

The word wasn't employed against anyone here until DF went and got a bee in his bonnet over it. Earlier today, Fozzie said the word "fag" in a similar way. But I didn't see anyone having the same COW over a simple epithet, I saw a normal discussion between adults.

But ohhhh say "chickenhawk", people will pretend you personally called them n*****s to their face. /eyeroll

As for your question, how about the answer "probably, yeah"? Personally, I don't care if someone thinks Obama fits the epithet of "chickenhawk", especially in a game of I'm rubber you're glue. I already knew him to be basically prowar, long before he even ran

I just don't have an emotional attachment around that word "chickenhawk", so don't expect a very valiant defense against Obama-as-chickenhawk from this corner. It's just a word.

423 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:23:19am

In other news...

Chile inquiry confirms President Allende killed himself

A team of international experts has concluded that the former president of Chile, Salvador Allende, killed himself during the 1973 military coup led by General Augusto Pinochet...

The official report handed in to the Chilean government concludes that Mr Allende was killed by two bullets shot from a rifle held between his legs.

British ballistics expert David Prayer took part in the investigation and said the result was clear.

"The gun, an AKA rifle, was on automatic," he said.
Isabel Allende, daughter of late former Chilean President Salvador Allende Senator Isabel Allende, daughter of the late president, had always accepted the suicide version

"There was one wound in his skull, caused by two bullets. There is no evidence that a third person was involved," said Mr Prayer...

424 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:28:23am

re: #421 Gus 802

I guess my point is that it's OK to use the word chickenhawk if you so desire. Just don't be an asshole about it. It's like when I used the word Teakluxklan once or twice here. Some people freaked out so I just stopped using it.

I find that to be very PC. I'm not a PC type. Does that make me an asshole in general?

425 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:29:20am

re: #421 Gus 802

I don't care for it a bit, the epithet "chickenhawk". It's crude, disingenuous, and intellectually dishonest. From our very foundation as a nation, we have institutionalized the ideal of a civilian as the CiC of the military, and for many good reasons.

Often times this means that those we elect to office are ones who have never had the honor/burden of military service.

And for their decisions, some would call them "chickenhawks". It is a fallacy no different than telling someone they can't have an opinion on, nor cast a vote for women's rights because they have a penis rather than a vagina.

426 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:31:08am

re: #424 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I find that to be very PC. I'm not a PC type. Does that make me an asshole in general?

No. Just a lieutenant.

//

427 Gus  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:35:06am

re: #425 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't care for it a bit, the epithet "chickenhawk". It's crude, disingenuous, and intellectually dishonest. From our very foundation as a nation, we have institutionalized the ideal of a civilian as the CiC of the military, and for many good reasons.

Often times this means that those we elect to office are ones who have never had the honor/burden of military service.

And for their decisions, some would call them "chickenhawks". It is a fallacy no different than telling someone they can't have an opinion on, nor cast a vote for women's rights because they have a penis rather than a vagina.

Hmm. Good points. If that were the case then a CiC could never take us into war unless he, or she, had served in the military. Neither would any congressperson that never served in the military. Seems like it would be rather stifling militarily. That would either lead to a) militarism or the complete opposite b) pacifism -- neither of which are desirable for survival nor within the foundation of this republic.

428 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:46:08am

re: #424 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I find that to be very PC. I'm not a PC type. Does that make me an asshole in general?

In general? Yes, you are an asshole. And in general, I do not find assholes to be entirely objectionable. It's possible that I am an asshole myself. Oops, I forgot the spoiler alert./

I find the conversation stimulating. But really, this whole thing about calling butt-hurt when displaying much of the same... slinging harsh criticism while pretending even the slightest reciprocation is just "hurt feelings"... That's weak.

I could be wrong, but I get the sense that you're much smarter than that.

429 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:48:52am

re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth

The analogy stands, as it is reasonable. And I never said that was part of your argument. I was simply adding further comment on the ongoing discussion of the brain dead term "chickenhawk". You know this.

Dunno. It's like you can't express a point of criticism or contention without someone crying that you're butt-hurt, feeling oppressed, or put-upon. What's that about? It sounds like projection to me.

Ah. Your brush may be narrow at times, but not always.

Show me a time it wasn't.

Go on, search for it so you can nurture that sense of wounded correctness. Reminds me of general consensus in the gay community circa 1992, except then we had actual material reasons for feeling that way.

Heh, but you're just mocking me for that one time I called you on your obvious broad brushing. I think the only hurt feelings here are yours.

Lol, mocking you. You can't really believe that.

It's not up to me to grant you permission to think whatever, but you're also within your rights to keep being wrong about whatever, and you're wrong a the rest in your presumptions.

People can nurture their petty resentments about one poster at LGF if they want, but that's on them. "Chickenhawk" is just a word, move past it.

430 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:49:24am

re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth

In general? Yes, you are an asshole. And in general, I do not find assholes to be entirely objectionable. It's possible that I am an asshole myself. Oops, I forgot the spoiler alert./

I was about to say.

Isn't this why we get along? /

431 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 12:50:14am

re: #426 Gus 802

No. Just a lieutenant.

//

Ok so this is a PC site.

Gotcha.

432 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:02:32am

re: #429 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Go on, search for it so you can nurture that sense of wounded correctness.

Erm...

It's not up to me to grant you permission to think whatever, but you're also within your rights to keep being wrong about whatever, and you're wrong a the rest in your presumptions.

Uhm..

You have an incredibly odd way of interpreting my comments. Odder even than Albusteve.

People can nurture their petty resentments about one poster at LGF if they want, but that's on them

I have no resentment towards you. You're just another random asshole in a stream of random assholes that I find interesting. And from one asshole to another, that's a compliment.

433 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:03:35am

there's not enough psychedelic sci-fi metal in this thread

Youtube Video
434 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:03:45am

re: #425 Slumbering Behemoth

It is a fallacy no different than telling someone they can't have an opinion on, nor cast a vote for women's rights because they have a penis rather than a vagina.

Lol worst analogy in the world.

Who has said no one can have an opinion on war?? Goalpost move.

No one here is depriving any person of citizenship, legitimacy, or voting rights, just because I uttered the unmentionable term, "neocon chickenhawk". Unlike those countless persons with penises who deprived others of the same rights for eons.

Somebody said "neocon chickenhawk" in a general way, against no one. Boo hoo.

435 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:06:34am

re: #434 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol worst analogy in the world.

Who has said no one can have an opinion on war?? Goalpost move.

No one here is depriving any person of citizenship, legitimacy, or voting rights, just because I uttered the unmentionable term, "neocon chickenhawk". Unlike those countless persons with penises who deprived others of the same rights for eons.

Somebody said "neocon chickenhawk" in a general way, against no one. Boo hoo.

You know what, just give me a glass of what you're drinking. Your scribbledy is making me jealous right now.

436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:08:59am

re: #432 Slumbering Behemoth

Erm...

What is this not-always of which you speak?

Show me the posts that help you justify this feeling. Otherwise how can I correct them?

Odder even than Albusteve.

Doubtful.

I have no resentment towards you. You're just another random asshole in a stream of random assholes that I find interesting. And from one asshole to another, that's a compliment.

Uh-huh, and the feeling's mighty mutual.

Welcome to the internet.

437 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:10:41am

re: #433 WindUpBird

Favorite album.

Youtube Video
438 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:11:35am

re: #433 WindUpBird

there's not enough psychedelic sci-fi metal in this thread

[Video]

Please watch the whole thing

Youtube Video
439 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:14:43am

re: #435 Slumbering Behemoth

You know what, just give me a glass of what you're drinking. Your scribbledy is making me jealous right now.

Hey dude, I'm not the one getting all indignant about language used on LGF. You'll never see me doing so, either.

440 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:14:55am

re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth

that's the best one all right!

ON THIS TRAIN WILL IT ALWAYS RAIN

441 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:16:25am

re: #438 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I spy a les paul and a double necked gibson

these guys sound a bit like heart but more zany

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:17:13am

re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth

little known fact, the covers to Angel Rat and Nothing face were drawn on a Commodore Amiga by the drummer :D

443 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:18:55am

re: #441 WindUpBird

I spy a les paul and a double necked gibson

these guys sound a bit like heart but more zany

Yeah, Pageant is something. That clip was from circa 1986 or so.

They're classified as Japanese 80s prog, but their lead singer and keyboardist ended up doing a bunch of vocals work for the Final Fantasy game series.

One of the best vocalists I've heard.

444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:19:28am

re: #443 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, Pageant is something. That clip was from circa 1986 or so.

They're classified as Japanese 80s prog, but their lead singer and keyboardist ended up doing a bunch of vocals work for the Final Fantasy game series.

One of the best vocalists I've heard.

this kicks ass, I dig it, it's 80's but sounds 70's :D

445 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:20:50am

re: #442 WindUpBird

little known fact, the covers to Angel Rat and Nothing face were drawn on a Commodore Amiga by the drummer :D

They were still doing Toaster on the Amiga in the mid 90s. I still have my C-64 and Midi 8-Plus software on 5.25"

Lol the entire Fairlight catalog is now an iPhone app.

446 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:21:51am

re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Show me the posts that help you justify this feeling. Otherwise how can I correct them?

C'mon, be real. You have no interest in the justifications of "feelings", nor correcting such "feelings". Even where these said "feelings" are non-existent.

I think you're in the position of "feeling" put-upon, while wanting very much to project that same "feeling" on others.

447 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:22:25am

re: #444 WindUpBird

this kicks ass, I dig it, it's 80's but sounds 70's :D

This is the studio version of the earlier post - you can really hear Risa at her best

Youtube Video
448 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:26:06am

re: #447 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

this is good times :D

449 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:26:13am

re: #447 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Peace and love to you and yours. I'm out.

/gravel be with you.

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:26:55am

re: #445 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They were still doing Toaster on the Amiga in the mid 90s. I still have my C-64 and Midi 8-Plus software on 5.25"

Lol the entire Fairlight catalog is now an iPhone app.

I wish i still had my Atari ST and my Amiga500 :( That's where I got started on the whole digital painting train, doing it on the ST

451 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:30:03am

re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth

C'mon, be real. You have no interest in the justifications of "feelings", nor correcting such "feelings".

How do you know?

Even where these said "feelings" are non-existent.

I think you're in the position of "feeling" put-upon, while wanting very much to project that same "feeling" on others.

Well, like I said, you're perfectly free to think whatever you like, or hunt, peck, and guess around at whatever you believe I must certainly think or feel. I hope you don't think you're the first to do so.

But just so you're clear, those just your own perceptions. Given we're both assholes, playing field's even, sfaict, so does it matter?

Who knew LGF was so invested in enforcing the tenets of political correctness. Eh, live and learn.

452 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:33:02am

I just had to post a little satire on the infinity symbol in the Milky Way story in the previous thread:

Summer Seale: Scientists Flock to Telescopes to Marvel at Revelation

453 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:33:31am

Morning reminiscing Honcos.

454 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:36:09am

I see there's some anomalous heat in the US, with fatalities. Well, we know that such things cannot automatically be ascribed to the AGW. But I wonder what the people whose 2-bit brains were satisfied with "it snows so no AGW hahaha" think about it.

455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:36:14am

re: #450 WindUpBird

I wish i still had my Atari ST and my Amiga500 :( That's where I got started on the whole digital painting train, doing it on the ST

This is her other group, Mr. Sirius. Pretty straight up 80s jazz-prog but with a soprano lead. Kind of different. She sings in 4 languages.

Youtube Video
456 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:38:18am

Oh, and some good news: the Serbs have finally caught Goran Hadzic. Expect the sweet, sweet tears from Pam.

457 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:42:56am

re: #454 Sergey Romanov

I see there's some anomalous heat in the US, with fatalities. Well, we know that such things cannot automatically be ascribed to the AGW. But I wonder what the people whose 2-bit brains were satisfied with "it snows so no AGW hahaha" think about it.

People die every year from the heat which is a bit confusing to me because I live in Florida and everyone has A/C in one way or another. Although I have a friend in Vermont that only has a "wall shaker" for the 2 weeks a year it actually gets really hot. As for the AGW, if they're gonna have meetings, don't do it in the middle of winter. They always seem to get cancelled because of too much snow. And then the meeting they held in Central America last year where they had an unseasonal cold snap.(speedo free zone) It just adds fuel to the Anti-AGW fire.

458 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:45:11am

re: #449 Slumbering Behemoth

Peace and love to you and yours. I'm out.

/gravel be with you.

I shouldn't upding you, but I did anyway.

459 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 1:46:12am

re: #456 Sergey Romanov

BTW I do suspect that they knew all along where Mladic and Hadzic were, and that there were internal struggles between the ruling groups on whether to continue to turn the blind eye, or to give them up and enter EU.

460 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:09:31am

If this turns out to be true, then give him life without parole.

461 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:13:41am

re: #458 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I shouldn't upding you, but I did anyway.

Arrgghh! I said I was out, but you dragged me back in.

Look, grudges are for pussies. I upding you all the time. Well lots, anyway.

And I meant what I said. Peace and love and all that.

And just because we lock horns on certain things does not mean I harbor any animosity towards you. It just means we disagree. Sometimes strongly.

But I have no hate in my heart for you. Not even the slightest. Take that for whatever it is worth, and apply it accordingly.

On that note, I really must head-butt this pillow. Good night all.

462 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:16:43am

Today I learned that there are Filipinos that follow Alex Jones.

By proxy, that means I have another reason to not have any hope for humanity.

Evening folks.

463 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:17:05am

re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL, I missed much, it seems.

464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:18:01am

re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth

Your High-Drama 80s Keyboards Clip of the Day

Youtube Video
465 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:18:44am

I hope this is actually true.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

466 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:19:31am

re: #463 Sergey Romanov

LOL, I missed much, it seems.

Not really. Just a tiff, and me getting called an asshole because I won't take back something I said. We'll all live.

467 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:20:04am

re: #462 lazardo

Teh Crazee. It's not just for Americans anymore.:)

468 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:20:58am

re: #464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I myself prefer this version (ignore the cheesy pics):

Youtube Video
469 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:22:33am

re: #462 lazardo

Today I learned that there are Filipinos that follow Alex Jones.

By proxy, that means I have another reason to not have any hope for humanity.

Evening folks.

Don't feel bad. There are a couple AJ recruiters on Black Agenda Report, a site I only go to to monitor the crankodoodles. The posts are bad enough. Then, there are the comments, aie.

470 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:24:41am

re: #468 Sergey Romanov

I myself prefer this version (ignore the cheesy pics):

[Video]

Oh, Marylin. He is such a walking mess. Love him.

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:26:31am

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

Polizei durchsucht Wohnungen mutmaßlicher Islamisten

"Die Männer würden verdächtigt, eine "schweren staatsgefährdenden Gewalttat" vorbereitet zu haben, teilten Polizei und Staatsanwaltschaft mit."

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:27:21am

re: #469 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Don't feel bad. There are a couple AJ recruiters on Black Agenda Report, a site I only go to to monitor the crankodoodles. The posts are bad enough. Then, there are the comments, aie.

did you see Alex Jones wigging out about clockwork elves? it was magnificent, it made all the youtubes


I want to start a conspiracy site that BEGINS from the premise that all world leaders are reptiles and robots, and heads into even weirder territory from there

473 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:29:39am

re: #472 WindUpBird

We have been told they're reptiles, they're robots, they're blobs from outer space. What they hid from is is the most shocking revelation. They're actually human beings!!!1

474 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:30:42am

re: #472 WindUpBird

did you see Alex Jones wigging out about clockwork elves? it was magnificent, it made all the youtubes

I want to start a conspiracy site that BEGINS from the premise that all world leaders are reptiles and robots, and heads into even weirder territory from there

Don't forget the shape shifters.

475 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:33:28am

Shape-shifting lizards, you say?

[TF stands for transformation, for those not in the know]

476 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:35:17am

I just googled "David Icke". I am not posting any of those videos. Kook.

477 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:35:47am

re: #468 Sergey Romanov

I actually prefer Mika's.

Youtube Video
478 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:37:09am

re: #472 WindUpBird

did you see Alex Jones wigging out about clockwork elves? it was magnificent, it made all the youtubes

I want to start a conspiracy site that BEGINS from the premise that all world leaders are reptiles and robots, and heads into even weirder territory from there

Have you seen Colleen Thomas?

omg she is rotfl

479 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:42:48am

Mika's music videos are also hilarious.

Youtube Video

It's like a Phillip Larkin poem had children with a Prince video while John waters did the costumes and casting.

480 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:44:59am

Now I need to post Je M'appelle Mads and Bounty Niller.

Youtube Video

If you've never checked out these lunatics, do so.

481 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:45:20am

re: #479 Obdicut

I kind of lost sight of Mika after his initial 2 hits years ago.

482 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:47:26am

re: #481 Sergey Romanov

I kind of lost sight of Mika after his initial 2 hits years ago.

He's a little too low-key in the modern day, which is hilarious, given how flamboyantly transgressive he would have been ten years ago. A nice sing of changing times, really.

I really like his voice, and his style in general.

But you know who he's really trying to be, and nobody else can quite get there:

Youtube Video
483 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:47:48am

I'm posting this mostly for Charles.

But I want one too:

[Link: inhabitat.com...]

Beautiful.

484 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:48:42am

re: #483 Summer

...Ingsoc?

485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:49:24am

re: #479 Obdicut

Mika's music videos are also hilarious.

[Video]It's like a Phillip Larkin poem had children with a Prince video while John waters did the costumes and casting.

The colors and general silliness remind me of the big finale of Kid Millions

Youtube Video
486 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:50:21am

re: #484 lazardo

Yeah, weird.

487 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:52:12am

re: #486 Sergey Romanov

It's a green reptilian conspiracy to get us all to stop polluting the planet and lead a healthy lifestyle!

...oh wait ;P

488 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 2:54:59am
Youtube Video
489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:02:26am

re: #488 Summer

[Video]

This never gets old.

Youtube Video
490 Flounder  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:19:19am

I googled FOB since I didnt know what it was, turns out it was a typo:
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

491 Flounder  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:23:46am

re: #483 Summer

Where does the v-twin gas engine go !?
/

492 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:23:50am

re: #490 Shropshire_Slasher

I googled FOB since I didnt know what it was, turns out it was a typo:
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

There is no way I would swim there. The water is WAY to cold, FOB or no FOB.

494 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:27:08am

71% of voters dissaprove of the GOP's way of handling the debt crisis in Congress.

Michelle Bachmann (ahead of Romney in GOP polling) goes down to Obama by 20+ pts going away, whereas Romney is the only candidate within any decent margin of Obama.

When the GOP thought they just were not conservative enough in 2008 and when teabagging nutjobs lost them the senate in 2010 - it seems they didn't get the message.

495 Flounder  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:30:00am

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

Going to Maine this year for vacation, inlaws treat, right on the ocean. I told my kids that their gonna freeze her cojones off (still won't keep them out). I wanted to go back to the outer banks this year. I know woe is me.

496 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:32:08am

re: #495 Shropshire_Slasher

Going to Maine this year for vacation, inlaws treat, right on the ocean. I told my kids that their gonna freeze her cojones off (still won't keep them out). I wanted to go back to the outer banks this year. I know woe is me.

I can't even go in the waters off the East coast of Florida. Fuck all that.

497 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:35:46am

Morning folks

498 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:39:43am

Shopping

Youtube Video
499 researchok  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:40:07am

Morning, all

500 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:41:00am

re: #499 researchok

re: #497 RogueOne

G'devening to you too.

501 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:42:24am

re: #497 RogueOne

re: #499 researchok

Morning Honcos!

502 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:45:01am

re: #501 rwdflynavy

Moved into your new slot yet?

503 researchok  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:46:22am

re: #498 Sergey Romanov

Shopping

[Video]

I was waiting for the Putin appearance.
//

504 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:46:36am

re: #502 RogueOne

Moved into your new slot yet?


Friday is my last day. 2 weeks off and then start school on the 5th of August. So ready to go...What's new with you?

505 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:48:37am

re: #503 researchok

I was waiting for the Putin appearance.
//

He has other promotion venues.

506 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:49:17am

re: #504 rwdflynavy

Nothing. Swamped with work, typical summer for me.

507 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:50:38am

re: #504 rwdflynavy

Friday is my last day. 2 weeks off and then start school on the 5th of August. So ready to go...What's new with you?

Aug. 5 is my brothers birthday. That's probably a bad omen for you. Just to be safe you should wear a piece of garlic around your neck on your first day. Your comrades will appreciate it, trust me.

508 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:52:12am

re: #507 RogueOne

Aug. 5 is my brothers birthday. That's probably a bad omen for you. Just to be safe you should wear a piece of garlic around your neck on your first day. Your comrades will appreciate it, trust me.

Typical day for me. Can't be too careful about DC vampires.
//

509 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:53:24am

re: #508 rwdflynavy

What is your new skooling for?

510 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:54:34am

re: #505 Sergey Romanov

Heh, an old but good Putin faux pas.

[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

511 researchok  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:56:57am

re: #510 Sergey Romanov

Heh, an old but good Putin faux pas.

[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

The never ending Putin faux pas- Nice to know there are some things you can rely on.

512 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:57:24am

Morning all!

I have puppy duty this am. He's back asleep after a little jaunt outside. I am here.

How is everyone?

513 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:57:59am

re: #511 researchok

They should totally team up with Palin, besides they're not far from each other, his ugly head flying over Alaska or something.

514 researchok  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:58:40am

re: #512 ggt

Morning all!

I have puppy duty this am. He's back asleep after a little jaunt outside. I am here.

How is everyone?

Good morning to you too!

I've got a paper chase day ahead of me.

I should be released tomorrow.

515 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:58:49am

re: #510 Sergey Romanov

Heh, an old but good Putin faux pas.

[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

I think if you're wearing a v-neck wife beater in public you have to also be carrying nazi paraphernalia. state law.

516 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 3:59:33am

re: #514 researchok

Good morning to you too!

I've got a paper chase day ahead of me.

I should be released tomorrow.

The paper-work or you is considered catch-and-release?

As usual, I'm confused.

517 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:00:11am

re: #509 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is your new skooling for?


Official version:
The Industrial College of the Armed Forces (ICAF) is a senior service school providing graduate level education to senior members of the US armed forces, government civilians, foreign nationals and private industry. These future executives will be better prepared for leadership and success in developing national security strategy and policy, with a focus on evaluating, marshalling, and managing national resources.
Upon successful completion, graduates are awarded a master of science degree in national resource strategy; military students also earn Joint Professional Military Education II credit.

My version: 10 months of full time school to relax and spend more time with family!

518 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:00:37am

Time to get to work, this should be an easy day. Enjoy the day people.

519 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:01:53am

Well, after reading an article about the Univ of Michigan study on n-back training, I did more googling and found the Wired.com article. It, among others recommended this download.

I still don't understand, as usual . . . .

520 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:01:58am

re: #510 Sergey Romanov

(For those of you scratching your head about this: this is a Buddhist swastika in Tyva. But given that the photoset was for public consumption...)

521 researchok  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:02:56am

BBL

The day's games have begun

522 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:03:02am

re: #517 rwdflynavy

Official version:
The Industrial College of the Armed Forces (ICAF) is a senior service school providing graduate level education to senior members of the US armed forces, government civilians, foreign nationals and private industry. These future executives will be better prepared for leadership and success in developing national security strategy and policy, with a focus on evaluating, marshalling, and managing national resources.
Upon successful completion, graduates are awarded a master of science degree in national resource strategy; military students also earn Joint Professional Military Education II credit.

My version: 10 months of full time school to relax and spend more time with family!

Just remember, it's all about self-control!

Sucks, doesn't it?

523 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:04:20am

re: #522 ggt

Just remember, it's all about self-control!

Sucks, doesn't it?

Military Officers, when referring to any kind of war college always say "It's only a lot of reading if you do it!"

524 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:04:50am

Gotta restart. Fuck.

525 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:05:07am

re: #524 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gotta restart. Fuck.

I hate when that happens.

526 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:10:03am

re: #515 RogueOne

I think if you're wearing a v-neck wife beater in public you have to also be carrying nazi paraphernalia. state law.

In Indiana?

527 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:11:03am

re: #490 Shropshire_Slasher

I googled FOB since I didnt know what it was, turns out it was a typo:
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

Freight-on-Board.

528 Flounder  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:12:45am

re: #527 ggt
at first I thougth it was fecal-over-board

529 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:13:29am

re: #528 Shropshire_Slasher

at first I thougth it was fecal-over-board

Feces on Beach.

530 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:14:24am

re: #528 Shropshire_Slasher

at first I thougth it was fecal-over-board

Basically the same thing. "Once it leaves our premises, it is your problem"

531 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:14:38am

My son (#5 son, the IDF vet) and daughter-in-law have a baby boy! Born last night at 3:04AM. She had to have a C-section (she is a very petite girl). Mother, baby & proud Dad all doing fine. I will put up some pictures at Vicious Babushka just as soon as I get them. They haven't told me the name yet, but probably it will be Phillip after my dad OB"M.

This makes 27 grandkids for Babushka (15 boys, 12 girls). Looking for a ticket now to send Zedushka to Miami for the bris.

532 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:15:24am

re: #531 Alouette

My son (#5 son, the IDF vet) and daughter-in-law have a baby boy! Born last night at 3:04AM. She had to have a C-section (she is a very petite girl). Mother, baby & proud Dad all doing fine. I will put up some pictures at Vicious Babushka just as soon as I get them. They haven't told me the name yet, but probably it will be Phillip after my dad OB"M.

This makes 27 grandkids for Babushka (15 boys, 12 girls). Looking for a ticket now to send Zedushka to Miami for the bris.

How very, very cool!

533 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:15:47am

re: #531 Alouette

Wow! Big congratulations!

534 Flounder  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:18:51am

re: #531 Alouette

Congratulations! Thats great!
Now I want a baby, maybe I'll stop at Taco Bell.

535 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:19:32am

re: #534 Shropshire_Slasher

Congratulations! Thats great!
Now I want a baby, maybe I'll stop at Taco Bell.

I get it. Hope others do.:)

536 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:20:21am

re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get it. Hope others do.:)

No, but I figured it's above my pay-grade.

537 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:21:43am

re: #536 ggt

No, but I figured it's above my pay-grade.

[Link: www.king5.com...]

538 Flounder  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:22:51am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar
Always quick on the draw!

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

539 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:24:32am

re: #522 ggt


all deranged

no control

Youtube Video
540 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:26:57am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.king5.com...]

I did not need to know that.

*shudder*

541 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:28:40am

I've found my new career.
/

542 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:31:45am

re: #541 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've found my new career.
/

I rate of addiction, quick burn-out, good money.

543 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:32:04am

re: #542 ggt

I rate of addiction, quick burn-out, good money.

I rate = High Rate

544 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:33:06am

re: #543 ggt

I rate = High Rate

Happens to me all the time. "a" = "are", et cetera.

545 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:34:03am

re: #544 Sergey Romanov

Happens to me all the time. "a" = "are", et cetera.

brain works faster than fingers --

I am my own worst editor.

546 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:37:48am

re: #542 ggt

I rate of addiction, quick burn-out, good money.

And 4 years of skool.
[Link: www.erau.edu...]

547 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:39:37am

re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar

And 4 years of skool.
[Link: www.erau.edu...]

"fast-paced, exciting field" = stress, stress, stress, stress.

Might as well work in the pits at the Chicago Board of Trade.

Or go to Taco Bell.

548 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:40:22am

re: #547 ggt

"fast-paced, exciting field" = stress, stress, stress, stress.

Might as well work in the pits at the Chicago Board of Trade.

Or go to Taco Bell.

I'm holding out to become a Space Traffic Controller in New Mexico.

549 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:44:18am

re: #548 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm holding out to become a Space Traffic Controller in New Mexico.

ooooh, think of the benefits . . .

550 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 4:47:03am

You-all aren't keeping me awake.

Going to go cuddle with the puppy.

551 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:00:17am

re: #490 Shropshire_Slasher

I googled FOB since I didnt know what it was

Youtube Video
552 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:00:47am

re: #542 ggt

I rate of addiction, quick burn-out, good money.

And think about how tough it is to blog all day when those pesky little dots keep popping up on the other screens in front of you...stressful!

553 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:04:18am

re: #551 lazardo

The only FOB song I can listen to:

Youtube Video
554 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:07:18am

re: #552 darthstar

And think about how tough it is to blog all day when those pesky little dots keep popping up on the other screens in front of you...stressful!

Microdot will make you see dots. So I hear.

555 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:09:04am

'Morning, all.

This might be a clue to yesterday's nontroversy over the Bachmann migraines. We wondered who would want to push such a lame story.
(Note: This goes to Fischer's site--don't hit it directly if you don't want to give him a hit.)

Bachmann Migraines Would Be a Gamechanger, Make Perry Run Inevitable

[Link: afa.net...]

556 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:12:54am

re: #555 Decatur Deb

Does this mean God likes Perry more than Bachmann? I really need a score sheet.

557 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:14:18am

re: #556 Cannadian Club Akbar

I propose Celebrity Deathmatch.

558 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:16:46am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

I propose Celebrity Deathmatch.

"Good fight, good night!"

/the 1998-2002 series was better

559 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:16:54am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

I propose Celebrity Deathmatch.

The primary season has not quite begun--the rancor will go on for several election cycles.

560 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:17:04am

re: #555 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all.

This might be a clue to yesterday's nontroversy over the Bachmann migraines. We wondered who would want to push such a lame story.
(Note: This goes to Fischer's site--don't hit it directly if you don't want to give him a hit.)

Bachmann Migraines Would Be a Gamechanger, Make Perry Run Inevitable

[Link: afa.net...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

561 lazardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:17:29am

brb top gear :D

562 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:17:38am

re: #558 lazardo

Well, that's the only one I've seen anyway.

563 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:20:28am

re: #554 Cannadian Club Akbar

Microdot will make you see dots. So I hear.

"V175, please proceed on course one-four-niner until I get rid OF THESE FUCKING SPIDERS!"

564 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:20:33am

Well, whaddayaknow, the Chinese have their own Oktoberfest now!

[Link: www.tagesschau.de...]

565 BongCrodny  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:21:00am

re: #555 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all.

This might be a clue to yesterday's nontroversy over the Bachmann migraines. We wondered who would want to push such a lame story.
(Note: This goes to Fischer's site--don't hit it directly if you don't want to give him a hit.)

Bachmann Migraines Would Be a Gamechanger, Make Perry Run Inevitable

[Link: afa.net...]


Perry scares the bejeezus out of me.

We could use some enterprising ne'er-do-well(s) to start a rumor about Perry experiencing migraines.

566 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:22:08am

re: #565 BongCrodny

Yeah, Perry seems formidable.

567 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:23:23am

re: #566 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, Perry seems formidable.

Sort of a "natural fit" for what's left of the Republican Party.

568 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:24:20am

Morning Lizardim. I had to laugh - some frustrated citizen here in the wild north country hung a sign off of a footbridge crossing I-94 in St. Paul: "GOP Chooses Millionaires over MN." Seems just as applicable to the federal-level GOP, methinks.

569 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:25:04am

re: #565 BongCrodny

Perry scares the bejeezus out of me.

We could use some enterprising ne'er-do-well(s) to start a rumor about Perry experiencing migraines.

Don't worry--when the various GOP attack machines are done he'll be painted as a TG with ovarian cancer.

570 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:34:46am

From a rip of the Washington Post--It seems you can fall out of an Overton Window:

Post-ABC poll: GOP too dug in on debt talks; public fears default consequences

"In the new poll, fully 50 percent of conservative Republicans and “strong” tea party supporters say the GOP leadership is too unwilling to make a deal on the deficit. But in other areas, the views of GOP leaders are more in sync with those of strong tea party supporters than those of the rest of the party faithful. That is the case on raising taxes on the wealthy, for example, where opposition from strong tea party supporters is 20 percentage points higher than among all Republicans."

571 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:35:22am

What to look for on the beach when you already have plenty of shells.

572 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:49:00am

Just tired this mornng, so I'm pillaging other blogs until the coffee kicks in. From Gawker:

Lesbians Kicked Out of Gertrude Stein Exhibit for Holding Hands

(In San Francisco--get SFZ up here immediately.)

573 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:49:30am

re: #570 Decatur Deb

From a rip of the Washington Post--It seems you can fall out of an Overton Window:

best line I've read since I reread Atom

574 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:51:29am

re: #572 Decatur Deb

Just tired this mornng, so I'm pillaging other blogs until the coffee kicks in. From Gawker:

Lesbians Kicked Out of Gertrude Stein Exhibit for Holding Hands

(In San Francisco--get SFZ up here immediately.)

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

575 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:54:03am

Drone shot down in Iran?

MSNBC Video
576 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:56:14am

re: #575 Cannadian Club Akbar

Drone shot down in Iran?
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

I'd want to see some serial numbers.

577 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 5:57:23am

re: #576 Decatur Deb

I'd want to see some serial numbers.

We are the Great Stan so they'll prolly start with 666.

578 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:02:51am

re: #574 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

Downtown, figures. I'm going to that exhibit next week.

I could be wrong, but I also would not be surprised if the couple were tourists. People come here thinking it's the pride parade every day, in every part of the city, and end up let's just say with a much more realistic idea. You can get away with same-sex PDA maybe in an 8 block radius and it ain't around the CJM. Hey, that's up from about 4 blocks, 20 years ago

The whole city will be in the clear by some time in 2275 :D

579 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:03:05am

re: #577 Cannadian Club Akbar

We are the Great Stan so they'll prolly start with 666.

please tell me that wasn't a typo

580 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:03:13am

"I think restaurants have a lot to answer for here," Susan Roberts, the senior author of the paper, told CNN.com.

Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Sad woman mad that restaurants lie about calorie content.

581 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:04:20am

re: #579 WindUpBird

please tell me that wasn't a typo

Actually, Satan became Stan years ago with a typo. Kinda like Honco.

582 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:05:42am

re: #578 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Downtown, figures. I'm going to that exhibit next week.

I could be wrong, but I also would not be surprised if the couple were tourists. People come here thinking it's the pride parade every day, in every part of the city, and end up let's just say with a much more realistic idea. You can get away with same-sex PDA maybe in an 8 block radius and it ain't around the CJM. Hey, that's up from about 4 blocks, 20 years ago

The whole city will be in the clear by some time in 2275 :D

are you saying that Portland is cooler with gay PDAs than the bay? o_o Most all of SE Portland, nobody gives a fuck. Gay, straight, bi, crossdresser, fae-folk, satanist, who fucking cares, just tell me where the hawthorne theater is, Obscura and The Faceless are playing

583 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:06:56am

re: #581 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, Satan became Stan years ago with a typo. Kinda like Honco.

Always thought it came from South Park. Half the webz is from there.

584 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:08:56am

re: #583 Decatur Deb

Always thought it came from South Park. Half the webz is from there.

LGF used to have a dictionary of misspellings used here, complete with explanations.

585 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:12:57am

re: #582 WindUpBird

are you saying that Portland is cooler with gay PDAs than the bay? o_o Most all of SE Portland, nobody gives a fuck.

Ever tried it?

Gay, straight, bi, crossdresser, fae-folk, satanist, who fucking cares, just tell me where the hawthorne theater is, Obscura and The Faceless are playing

Well, if it were me, I would not attempt gay PDA in any area but inside an openly gay bar in the gay ghetto of a big city, SF included. But that's me.

586 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:14:17am

re: #584 Cannadian Club Akbar

LGF used to have a dictionary of misspellings used here, complete with explanations.

Googled it. It has been deleted.

587 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:20:49am

re: #586 Cannadian Club Akbar

Googled it. It has been deleted.

Don't you have someplace you're 'possed to be getting ready to go to?

and don;'t forget to brush your teeth

588 dell*nix  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:23:04am

re: #510 Sergey Romanov

That is the reversed symbol and not the armband symbol. Had to google it to be sure.

589 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:23:19am

re: #581 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, Satan became Stan years ago with a typo. Kinda like Honco.

I never heard the origin of Honco. Care to elaborate for a noob?

590 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:24:10am

re: #589 thedopefishlives

I never heard the origin of Honco. Care to elaborate for a noob?

Easy. Someone left off the "H".

591 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:24:31am

re: #590 Cannadian Club Akbar

Easy. Someone left off the "H".

HoncoH??

592 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:24:43am

re: #587 sattv4u2

Don't you have someplace you're 'possed to be getting ready to go to?

and don;'t forget to brush your teeth

Shush. Gotta run in about 3 minutes.

593 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:25:42am

re: #591 sattv4u2

HoncoH??

Fine. They forgot the H. Honcho.

594 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:25:42am

re: #592 Cannadian Club Akbar

Shush. Gotta run in about 3 minutes.

Probably be better if you drove there

If you run, you;ll be all sweaty and flushed,,, not a good 1st impression!

595 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:26:00am

re: #592 Cannadian Club Akbar

Shush. Gotta run in about 3 minutes.

T-2 minutes and counting...

/I hope you don't wind up blasting off

596 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:29:39am

re: #583 Decatur Deb

Always thought it came from South Park. Half the webz is from there.

I have a set of South Park babushkas that I bought in Moscow when I visited there 4 years ago. Also got a set of Russian Federation leader babushkas which I kept in the china cabinet with my tchotchka collection, but the South Park set I kept in my office. Zedushka objected to the Russian Federation babushkas among all the judaica stuff, so I took it to my office and now I have the babushkas all lined up in a row: Cartman, Kenny, Kyle, Vlad, Stan, Yeltsin, Gorby.

597 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:30:21am

Well, just taught my friend's son how to break a bolt using wrenches. Now I'm off.:)

598 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:30:31am

re: #596 Alouette

Hey--congratulations.

599 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:32:16am

re: #597 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, just taught my friend's son how to break a bolt using wrenches. Now I'm off.:)

NEXT LESSON

The joys of the opposite threaded drill bit!

600 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:32:45am

re: #596 Alouette

I have a set of South Park babushkas that I bought in Moscow when I visited there 4 years ago. Also got a set of Russian Federation leader babushkas which I kept in the china cabinet with my tchotchka collection, but the South Park set I kept in my office. Zedushka objected to the Russian Federation babushkas among all the judaica stuff, so I took it to my office and now I have the babushkas all lined up in a row: Cartman, Kenny, Kyle, Vlad, Stan, Yeltsin, Gorby.

Moscow and St. Petersburg are destinations of mine. Congrats on the new baby, btw.

601 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:33:28am

I feel bad.

Several people, knowing I play the piano, have said to me "Robert! You need to see the video of the Chinese girl with no fingers who plays the piano."

I finally watched it. She's mediocre. At best.

Youtube Video

Only her right hand is missing fingers. And I know many people her age who can play most of the left-handed repertoire (there's a lot, from Brahms to Ravel to Scriabin). Setting aside what she's doing with her fingerless right hand, her left hand is very sloppy.

I think the guy who plays with his toes

Youtube Video

is better.

602 dell*nix  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:34:21am

re: #548 Cannadian Club Akbar

I still want to be a rock jockey in the Belt.

603 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:35:09am

re: #596 Alouette

I always chuckle when people call headscarfs "babushkas" (i.e. old women, grandmas).

604 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:36:42am

re: #603 Sergey Romanov

I always chuckle when people call headscarfs "babushkas" (i.e. old women, grandmas).

Every time I see Alouette's screen name, I think:

Youtube Video
605 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:37:02am

re: #601 reuven

This lil fellow nose how to play!!

Youtube Video
606 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:39:53am

re: #596 Alouette

re: #600 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Moscow and St. Petersburg are destinations of mine. Congrats on the new baby, btw.

New baby? Congratulations!

607 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:42:20am

re: #585 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ever tried it?

Well, if it were me, I would not attempt gay PDA in any area but inside an openly gay bar in the gay ghetto of a big city, SF included. But that's me.

I have ^_^

Portland is not without its problems, but SE where all the nice stoner hangouts are? No worries. We're a bit less like San Francisco and a bit more like Arcata

608 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:42:49am
I always chuckle when people call headscarfs "babushkas" (i.e. old women, grandmas).

I'm wondering if that was actually the term used in certain parts of the world. My Maternal Grandmother, of Blessed Memory, who was born in Belarus, would sometimes call a "snood" a "babushka". Since her first language was Yiddish, and her Russian/Belorussian was limited to pleasantries and Russian "mot" slang, I'm wondering if it was a gentle derogatory term for the women who wore them. She certainly knew what the literal meaning of "бабушка" was. In Yiddish she'd say "אַלטיטשקע" (when being formal or mocking) or "באָבע" ("Bubbe" the word we all know as grandmother).

Wikipedia, for what it's worth, lists scarf as a meaning for babushka.

609 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:44:21am

re: #582 WindUpBird

are you saying that Portland is cooler with gay PDAs than the bay?

I have a Palm Tungsten. Nothing's gayer!

610 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:45:03am

re: #609 reuven

I have a Palm Tungsten. Nothing's gayer!

ahahahahahahaha okay that was genius

611 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:48:16am

re: #608 reuven

"Babushka" is a diminutive/endearing form of "baba", which is a simple/vulgar word for a woman and which is probably somewhat universal, in the sense in which the words like "papa", "mama", "dada", "nana" etc. are - they're the words little kids say first.

612 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:48:41am

re: #603 Sergey Romanov

I always chuckle when people call headscarfs "babushkas" (i.e. old women, grandmas).

So common in old ethnic Pittsburgh that I thought the ladies were metaphorically named for the shawls.

613 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:50:32am

re: #607 WindUpBird

I have ^_^

Portland is not without its problems, but SE where all the nice stoner hangouts are? No worries. We're a bit less like San Francisco and a bit more like Arcata

TBH, I feel more at home/safer in Atlanta gay bars than here, (though it's not like I've been to a ton.) And that's after living here for 17 years. Not a complaint at all -- I totally adore where I live. Just an observation.

614 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:51:39am

Oh! One more thing before I start my work day! I'm off to Italy next week. A whirlwind trip from Florence to Rome. Maybe I'll find the Menorah they took from the Second Temple at the Vatican (I'm sure it's in a closet somewhere).

And if I don't, I've asked a Latin teacher friend of mine to teach me how to bargain in Latin so I can get a good deal on a Pope bobblehead.

I'll post a few predictable photos. (Holding up the Leaning Tower, etc.) And I'll resist from circumcising David.

615 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:52:21am

re: #609 reuven

I have a Palm Tungsten. Nothing's gayer!

I had one of those, once. Left it on a plane.

I still have my perfectly-good Life Drive, though. Brick may it be.

616 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:55:04am

Peas!

617 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:55:27am

re: #614 reuven

Oh! One more thing before I start my work day! I'm off to Italy next week. A whirlwind trip from Florence to Rome. Maybe I'll find the Menorah they took from the Second Temple at the Vatican (I'm sure it's in a closet somewhere).

And if I don't, I've asked a Latin teacher friend of mine to teach me how to bargain in Latin so I can get a good deal on a Pope bobblehead.

I'll post a few predictable photos. (Holding up the Leaning Tower, etc.) And I'll resist from circumcising David.

Have fun, enjoy the food.

618 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:56:26am

If Michelangelo had used an American model:

Image: fat-david.jpg

619 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:56:48am

I updated my Hadzic page: the court rules he is fit to be extradited.

620 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:56:57am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Before Kenan Thompson was on SNL...

621 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:57:27am

re: #614 reuven

Have a good trip!

I will be visiting Paris and Rotterdam this August.

622 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 6:58:42am

re: #614 reuven

Oh! One more thing before I start my work day! I'm off to Italy next week. A whirlwind trip from Florence to Rome. Maybe I'll find the Menorah they took from the Second Temple at the Vatican (I'm sure it's in a closet somewhere).

And if I don't, I've asked a Latin teacher friend of mine to teach me how to bargain in Latin so I can get a good deal on a Pope bobblehead.

I'll post a few predictable photos. (Holding up the Leaning Tower, etc.) And I'll resist from circumcising David.

If you are not held in close confinement by a tour guide, slip up to Santa Croce in Florence--tomb of many greats, and the world's best-rated ice cream is just NE off the square--Vivoli's.

623 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:00:33am

re: #621 Sergey Romanov

We'll just miss each other!

I'll be Paris Sept 1 through 8, and Amsterdam from the 9th through the 13th (for the IBC conference).

624 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:01:22am

You have to wonder if John Boehner is actually proud of this accomplishment...I mean he's failed to pass so many of his own bills so far, this has to feel like a victory (pyrrhic though it may be)...

625 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:05:37am

re: #624 darthstar

You have to wonder if John Boehner is actually proud of this accomplishment...I mean he's failed to pass so many of his own bills so far, this has to feel like a victory (pyrrhic though it may be)...

Long as the people are convinced it's Obama's fault, he can burn everything down.

626 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:05:39am

re: #624 darthstar

You have to wonder if John Boehner is actually proud of this accomplishment...I mean he's failed to pass so many of his own bills so far, this has to feel like a victory (pyrrhic though it may be)...

That was a staged battle. Next week he has to come up with something In Real Life.

627 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:05:53am

re: #623 reuven

We'll just miss each other!

I'll be Paris Sept 1 through 8, and Amsterdam from the 9th through the 13th (for the IBC conference).

Sounds like you're taking a western tour.

628 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:07:57am

re: #625 laZardo

Long as the people are convinced it's Obama's fault, he can burn everything down.

Isn't working:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

629 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:08:33am

re: #624 darthstar

This is just a stunt, of course. The balanced budget amendment has as much chance of being ratified as the "flag desecration" amendments did. (And I'm glad these didn't pass! I wouldn't have been able to eat my cake Image: 5904135602_146761c4c7_z.jpg )

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What bothers me more is bipartisan support for means-testing Social Security. Sure, go ahead and raise the age. We're living longer. But to deny a "benefit" to people who have been responsible enough to plan for an income during their retirement years is very disturbing.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

....especially if combined with schemes to uncap the SS tax limit.

As someone who's been paying the maximum into the SS system since 1983, and who may never see a penny of it (while his taxes continue to rise) I'm angry. Both Boehner and Obama are pushing for this. (And it's compounded by the fact that, as a partner in a same-sex marriage, I will not get any social security survivor benefit because the Federal Government won't recognize my legal CA marriage.)

630 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:12:06am

Your High-Drama 2011 Keyboards Clip of the Day

Youtube Video

rotfl

631 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:12:37am

re: #628 Decatur Deb

It won't work if there is a default, which I suspect they're not planning on doing. My guess is that the final deal will be signed July 31 or August 1.

632 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:14:04am

re: #630 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Your High-Drama 2011 Keyboards Clip of the Day

[Video]rotfl

Almost as good as Ashcroft, in every way.

633 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:14:54am

re: #629 reuven

As someone who's been paying the maximum into the SS system since 1983, and who may never see a penny of it (while his taxes continue to rise) I'm angry. Both Boehner and Obama are pushing for this. (And it's compounded by the fact that, as a partner in a same-sex marriage, I will not get any social security survivor benefit because the Federal Government won't recognize my legal CA marriage.)

They will.

It won't be tomorrow morning, but the end of DOMA is coming.

634 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:16:33am

re: #632 Decatur Deb

Almost as good as Ashcroft, in every way.

Oh man, nothing beats "Let the Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegle Soaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Youtube Video

Cripes, these lunatics. Lol!

635 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:20:03am

re: #633 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm not so sure. When push comes to shove, Obama won't want to risk losing the African American vote, a majority of which disapproves of same-sex marriage. (Though, Obama, in recent days, had become less fearful of facing these issues than he did during the campaign and his early days.)

636 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:25:06am

re: #635 reuven

I'm not so sure. When push comes to shove, Obama won't want to risk losing the African American vote, a majority of which disapproves of same-sex marriage. (Though, Obama, in recent days, had become less fearful of facing these issues than he did during the campaign and his early days.)

/eyeroll

This old again.

"African Americans" have not ditched him over DADT and aren't going to ditch him over gay marriage. So please, no pre-emptive scapegoating before the vote has even taken place.

Like it or lump it, with McCain, we'd still be languishing under DADT and any talk of ending DOMA would be a joke.

637 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:25:48am

Daytime stuff. BBL

638 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:26:04am

re: #636 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

This old again.

Should read:

This old canard, again

639 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:28:30am

re: #635 reuven

I'm not so sure. When push comes to shove, Obama won't want to risk losing the African American vote, a majority of which disapproves of same-sex marriage. (Though, Obama, in recent days, had become less fearful of facing these issues than he did during the campaign and his early days.)

I really don't think Obama is going to lose the African American vote in two thousand and twelve to a white republican [please choose one] mormon/crazy-eyed nimrod/pointless schlub/fattie disgraced house speaker/frothy mixture of lube and semen/psycho secessionist hick/retard from alaska.

I really don't think that :D

640 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:33:33am

re: #639 WindUpBird

I really don't think Obama is going to lose the African American vote in two thousand and twelve to a white republican [please choose one] mormon/crazy-eyed nimrod/pointless schlub/fattie disgraced house speaker/frothy mixture of lube and semen/psycho secessionist hick/retard from alaska.

I really don't think that :D

The white conservative Republican wouldn't have to worry about the African American vote until, oh, 2050ish.

641 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:34:04am

re: #639 WindUpBird

Classic. Esp. santorum.

642 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:34:44am

re: #639 WindUpBird

I think it's great that Michele Bachmann just came out and admitted that she's on medication...for migraines, mind you, but I suspect her daily regimen includes some mood stabilizers and MAOIs as well as Advil. And now that I've written it on the internet, it is a fact. So there.

643 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:35:48am

re: #639 WindUpBird

I really don't think Obama is going to lose the African American vote in two thousand and twelve to a white republican [please choose one] mormon/crazy-eyed nimrod/pointless schlub/fattie disgraced house speaker/frothy mixture of lube and semen/psycho secessionist hick/retard from alaska.

I really don't think that :D

People who talk like that just are not thinking things through and evidently believe we don't think anything through, either.

When all else fails, blame the blacks. 9_9

644 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:37:09am

re: #642 darthstar

I think it's great that Michele Bachmann just came out and admitted that she's on medication...for migraines, mind you, but I suspect her daily regimen includes some mood stabilizers and MAOIs as well as Advil. And now that I've written it on the internet, it is a fact. So there.

I heard someone ask why, if she believes you can pray away the gay, she doesn't just pray away the migraines.

645 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:37:38am

re: #643 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It is true that the level of homophobia is high in the black community.

I'm glad that the other way round has gotten much better in my lifetime. The gay community in San Francisco used to have a big, deep streak of racism in it, that's all but vanished over the last twenty years or so.

I've always assumed the objections to gay marriage from the black community stemmed from religious positions, though.

646 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:38:25am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Journalists have made it in to Hama, but not without risking their lives to do so and the story they tell is one of resilience and hope for the future tempered by the fact that Assad's thugs are waiting at the outskirts for the word to deal the city yet another crushing blow.

Syria's army is occupying... Syria. The military is everywhere, and its actions are dictated by the dictator Assad himself. They continue murdering civilians every day and the death toll keeps rising as Assad tries to maintain control.

Yet, the US has dialed back some of the rhetoric directed at the regime in recent days even as Assad warns Ambassador Ford and his French counterpart not to wander away from Damascus to view the protests themselves.

647 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:39:09am

I wonder if anyone knows who the guy behind this page was:

[Link: www.angrypatrioticbastard.com...]

and whether he got better.

Excerpt:

He asked me if I would vote for a Black man for president. I immediately said, "No." Now here is what I love about Liberals... I had barely gotten to the "O" part of "no" before he threw his hands up in exasperation and said, "I can't even talk to you about this." And that kills me because a true liberal--and by "true" I mean text book definition--would have asked, "Why?" A true liberal--one who at least tries to appreciate everyone's point of view--would have wanted to attempt to see things from another's perspective. But this guy didn't. My opinion didn’t immediately fall in line with his and as a result he didn’t want to hear anything more about it. How fucking fascist is that? And Liberals have the nerve to call others close-minded.

Had he asked me "why?" I would have given him an answer that any liberal would have at least understood. I would have said, "Blacks constitute 13% of the U.S. population. There is no way that one can argue that an individual from this group would be representative of the American population as a whole. Furthermore, if this candidate got elected, he would find himself in a situation which could only be described as a Catch 22. If he focused primarily on Black socio-political issues, he would alienate himself from the remainder 87% of the population and never get reelected. But if he didn't address these issues the Black community would turn on him and label him an Uncle Tom or a sellout. That type of cluster-fuck situation is something that a Chief Executive doesn’t need to be dealing with. It wouldn’t be good for the country. That being said, in a few years when the Hispanic population gets up into the upper 30 percent range, I'll definitely consider voting for a Hispanic candidate." But the little hippy-shit never asked me so I never said that. He just assumed, even though I’m sure he would consider himself "liberal-minded", that he knew why I said no--because I was a racist, dimwitted, political conservative.

648 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:43:09am

re: #603 Sergey Romanov

I always chuckle when people call headscarfs "babushkas" (i.e. old women, grandmas).

And I know those nested dolls are really called "matrioshkas" but "Vicious Matrioshka" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

649 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:45:26am

re: #646 lawhawk

Yet, the US has dialed back some of the rhetoric directed at the regime in recent days even as Assad warns Ambassador Ford and his French counterpart not to wander away from Damascus to view the protests themselves.

"Sure thing," they probably replied, trying to suppress their snickering.

650 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:45:40am

re: #648 Alouette

Matryoshka is a diminutive of Matryona, a form of Roman Matrona. Vicious Matryona would've also been awesome. (But then, I'm not sure how it sounds to an "English-speaking" ear).

651 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:46:20am

re: #604 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Every time I see Alouette's screen name, I think:

[Video]

There's a YouTube video "Sexi Babushka" but I can't link to it. Totally NSFW! Look for it at your own risk.

652 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:47:21am

re: #645 Obdicut

It is true that the level of homophobia is high in the black community.

I'm glad that the other way round has gotten much better in my lifetime. The gay community in San Francisco used to have a big, deep streak of racism in it, that's all but vanished over the last twenty years or so.

I've always assumed the objections to gay marriage from the black community stemmed from religious positions, though.

I seriously doubt it's any higher than homophobia in anyone else's community.

BTW, there are plenty of anti-minority gay bigots in SF, let alone elsewhere - it hasn't disappeared, it's gone underground. I was tickled to read, though, all the people claiming to have learned their lesson about how to use us nonwhite queers to go into these evil Black Homo-hating Churches™ to get everyone to vote against things like Prop 8. *smh*

653 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:49:05am

re: #652 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I seriously doubt it's any higher than homophobia in anyone else's community.

BTW, there are plenty of anti-minority gay bigots in SF, let alone elsewhere - it hasn't disappeared, it's gone underground. I was tickled to read, though, all the people claiming to have learned their lesson about how to use us nonwhite queers to go into these evil Black Homo-hating Churches™ to get everyone to vote against things like Prop 8. *smh*

I can't be the only one that thought of Dave Chappelle.

654 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:49:10am

re: #651 Alouette

One of the comments under the clip: "D: AHHHH I think i went gay!!!! JK".

655 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:51:27am

re: #647 Sergey Romanov

I wonder if anyone knows who the guy behind this page was:

[Link: www.angrypatrioticbastard.com...]

and whether he got better.

Excerpt:

Someone should write in and remind him: we don't need his dumb bigot vote.

656 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:52:00am

re: #652 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I seriously doubt it's any higher than homophobia in anyone else's community.

Well, it demonstrably is, if we're defining it in terms of gays serving openly in the military or gay marriage. If you're talking about the undefinable psychological state, then, yeah, that's unproveable.

BTW, there are plenty of anti-minority gay bigots in SF, let alone elsewhere - it hasn't disappeared, it's gone underground.

It's gotten much, much smaller than since I was a kid, due to the hard work of quite a lot of non-white gay activists.

657 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:52:10am

re: #651 Alouette

Hey,, "granma"

Girl,, boy,, or still in a holding pattern!?!?

658 allegro  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:52:19am

re: #629 reuven

But to deny a "benefit" to people who have been responsible enough to plan for an income during their retirement years is very disturbing.

Another canard I wish would die. A whole lot of very responsible people who did make those plans are now rowing without paddles thanks to the wall street wizards who created the melt-down that wiped out their retirement accounts and their home values. This BS meme about those irresponsible people who are now broke through no fault of their own really pisses me off.

BTW, I am not in favor of means testing so that is in no way part of my beef.

659 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:53:04am

Shocker: New O'Keefe video deceptively edited....
James O'Keefe's Latest 'Terrorist' Medicaid Sting Goes After Woman For Following Law

660 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:53:24am

re: #657 sattv4u2

Hey,, "granma"

Girl,, boy,, or still in a holding pattern!?!?

IT'S A BOY!

661 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:55:35am

Happy anniversary!

Nearly 10 Years Ago Today, The U.S. Began Borrowing Billions To Pay For The Bush Tax Cuts


Nearly 10 years ago today, on August 1, 2001, the Associated Press reported that the Treasury Department was tapping $51 billion of credit in order to pay for the budgetary cost of the first round of Bush tax cuts’ rebate checks. The AP reported at the time that Democratic Party opponents of the tax cuts worried that they’d return government budgets to “red ink“:
662 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:55:55am

re: #660 Alouette

IT'S A BOY!

CONGRATS

And "mom" and baby doing well, I gather?

663 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:56:04am

re: #657 sattv4u2

Did you get your computer problem fixed yet?

664 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:56:19am

re: #656 Obdicut

Well, it demonstrably is, if we're defining it in terms of gays serving openly in the military or gay marriage.

Accounting for generation and region, no it isn't.

Gay rights have been part of D politics for at least 20 years. Yet everyone is still beside themselves about that magical 95% statistic. Reuven is wrong about Obama somehow "losing the African American" vote because of it.

If you're talking about the undefinable psychological state, then, yeah, that's unproveable.

It's gotten much, much smaller than since I was a kid, due to the hard work of quite a lot of non-white gay activists.

Ask me how I know.

665 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:58:10am

re: #663 Killgore Trout

Did you get your computer problem fixed yet?

Nahhh

put it off last night

after I play around a little here this a.m. I'm going to Battery Plus for one of your suggestions and while I'm gone I'll let the unit do the "restoral" thingy!

666 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:59:40am

re: #665 sattv4u2

Nahhh

put it off last night

after I play around a little here this a.m. I'm going to Battery Plus for one of your suggestions and while I'm gone I'll let the unit do the "restoral" thingy!

Yeah, it's always a pain in the ass. Try something, reboot, try something else, reboot, etc.Takes up a lot of time. Good luck.

667 windsagio  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:59:48am

re: #664 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Man, have you been going all night? I just got back from work and yer still here :D

668 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:00:43am

re: #667 windsagio

Man, have you been going all night? I just got back from work and yer still here :D

I have. Off and on. Insomnia problem.

669 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:01:38am

re: #664 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Accounting for generation and region, no it isn't.

Yes, it is higher than, for example, among Jews. I'm not saying it's higher than the national average, if that's the confusion.


Gay rights have been part of D politics for at least 20 years. Yet everyone is still beside themselves about that magical 95% statistic. Reuven is wrong about Obama somehow "losing the African American" vote because of it.

Well, yeah. I'm not sure why you're saying that to me-- I've never claimed that support for gay rights would lose black votes.

Ask me how I know.

Because you're a black gay person in San Francisco, right?

670 windsagio  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:02:05am

re: #668 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My sympathies, I feel that.

671 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:02:20am

re: #666 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it's always a pain in the ass. Try something, reboot, try something else, reboot, etc.Takes up a lot of time. Good luck.

Thanks

Theres a very good mom/pop puter place near us,, VERY good,, VERY reasonable (less than half the price of Best Buys Geek Squad,,, twice as fast,,and whatever level of computereze you talk, they'll talk the same patiently explaining things)

So,, if your and Kragers suggestions don't work, I'll drop it off there

672 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:03:28am

You don't say. GOPers who rode the way of taxpayer discontent find themselves working hard to bring home the bacon for their districts.

Freshman House Republicans who rode a wave of voter discontent into office last year vowed to stop out-of-control spending, but that has not stopped several of them from quietly trying to funnel millions of federal dollars into projects back home.

They have pushed for dozens of projects in their districts, including military programs opposed by the president, replenishing beach sand lost to erosion, a $700 million bridge in Minnesota and a harbor dredging project in Charleston, S.C. Some of their projects were once earmarks, political shorthand for pet projects penciled into spending bills, which Republicans banned when they took over the House.

An examination of spending bills, news releases and communications with federal agencies obtained under the Freedom of Information Act shows that nearly two dozen freshmen have sought money for projects that could ultimately cost billions of dollars, while calling for less spending and banning pork projects.

Politicians have long advocated for projects on behalf of individuals and businesses back home, even without earmarks. Several lawmakers said they were merely providing a constituent service. But since many of the freshman Republicans campaigned on a pledge to cut spending and to change Washington’s time-honored ways, their support of spending projects suggests that in many cases ideology can go only so far in serving the needs of people back home.

673 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:04:44am

re: #672 lawhawk

You don't say. GOPers who rode the way of taxpayer discontent find themselves working hard to bring home the bacon for their districts.

Great, we're getting our own bridge to nowhere? Isn't it amazing that none of us actually hear what our politicians are doing with our money, supposedly in our own interest?

674 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:06:12am

re: #669 Obdicut

Yes, it is higher than, for example, among Jews. I'm not saying it's higher than the national average, if that's the confusion.

Homophobia is high all over, whatever the measure is. Lower than it was, lower still in certain age/region/religious demographics, but still high. I see no reason to single out African Americans, though you're not the one who initially did so.

Because you're a black gay person in San Francisco, right?

Yeah. That's all it takes is my mere existence. ///
///
:p

675 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:10:06am

re: #674 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Homophobia is high all over, whatever the measure is. Lower than it was, lower still in certain age/region/religious demographics, but still high. I see no reason to single out African Americans, though you're not the one who initially did so.

I'm not singling them out. I'm mentioning something that's true. I'm not even saying that blacks vote against gay rights-- the data from prop 8 is not actually that good, and doesn't really show much of a difference between blacks and other groups. However, in well-done polls of blacks in general, they have lower support for gay rights than some other groups. I do not think that this is an important issue for many blacks, which is the key correlative question.

Yeah. That's all it takes is my mere existence.

I assumed you were speaking from experience. I'm mainly speaking because of my friendship with three older gay men in San Francisco, all of whom who have lived there for forty years, each of whom is non-white, and all of whom talk about how much better things have gotten.

If you ever hang out at Moby Dick, you might know one of them-- Fundi.

676 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:10:57am

re: #672 lawhawk

Addendum - dictum on spending:

If the spending is in your district, it's to meet a vital community need and essential for economic development, social programs, and/or key infrastructure development.

When it is someone else's district, it's porkbarrel spending at its worst.

Such is the way of Congress doling out money for projects and this class of politicians is learning that lesson. You don't get reelected unless you bring home the bacon even as you're complaining about everyone else's bacon. Shared sacrifice is unheard of when you need to show results.

677 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:12:35am

re: #659 Killgore Trout

Shocker: New O'Keefe video deceptively edited...
James O'Keefe's Latest 'Terrorist' Medicaid Sting Goes After Woman For Following Law

When will O'Keefe get his comeuppance? I want that on tape.

678 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:13:47am

This is why I found our old pal Barrett Brown to be so morally reprehensible....
FBI raided my house with a search warrant today (20 agents, guns drawn) because they seem to believe my 13 year old son was an integral part of the ANON ddos attack on Paypal.
These are children and BB encouraged them to ruin their lives and financially destroy their families.

679 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:14:41am

re: #678 Killgore Trout

I find it really funny that the LOIC didn't have any IP-masking built into it. The people who coded it didn't give a shit about who got burned by it.

680 Ericus58  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:14:41am

Irish PM in unprecedented attack on Vatican

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny has launched an unprecedented attack on the Catholic Church in parliament.

He said the recent Cloyne Report into how allegations of sex-abuse by priests in Cork had been covered up showed change was urgently needed.

Mr Kenny said the historic relationship between church and state in Ireland could not be the same again.

He said the report exposed the elitism, dysfunction, disconnection, and narcissism that dominated the Vatican.

"The rape and torture of children were downplayed or 'managed' to uphold instead the primacy of the institution, its power, standing and 'reputation'," the taoiseach said."

Quite a stunning public rebuke of the Church by the PM.
Now, I wonder if they are also going to examine abortion rights in Ireland also at some point...

681 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:17:39am

re: #676 lawhawk

If the spending is in your district, it's to meet a vital community need and essential for economic development, social programs, and/or key infrastructure development.

When it is someone else's district, it's porkbarrel spending at its worst

exactly

And thats why the battle cry every year of THROW THEM ALL OUT fails because theres always the caveat "but not MY guy ,,, HE's doing a good job!!"

682 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:18:28am

re: #681 sattv4u2

And when they do throw people out, it doesn't matter-- the next group does the same thing.

683 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:20:23am

re: #682 Obdicut

And when they do throw people out, it doesn't matter-- the next group does the same thing.

or worse

I never EVER was for term limits, but in the last couple of decades or so, with the high money stakes reelection cycles, where as soon as someone is sworn in they're already running for their next term, the time may have come

684 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:21:02am

re: #682 Obdicut

And when they do throw people out, it doesn't matter-- the next group does the same thing.

And depending on how well their "bum" is doing, some virtually take an Act of God to remove from office. Nine times out of ten, they end up being the ones who remove themselves from office, either through retirement or scandal.

685 McSpiff  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:22:14am

re: #679 Obdicut

I find it really funny that the LOIC didn't have any IP-masking built into it. The people who coded it didn't give a shit about who got burned by it.

Hell, I'd go further than that. Having the FBI investigate thousands of kid followed by raids like these make a great tripwire... its sort of a metaDDOS on FBI resources too.

686 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:22:40am

re: #683 sattv4u2

or worse

I never EVER was for term limits, but in the last couple of decades or so, with the high money stakes reelection cycles, where as soon as someone is sworn in they're already running for their next term, the time may have come

Heh. Heh heh. Now try getting them to put up the Constitutional amendment that would be required to make that happen!

687 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:25:10am

re: #659 Killgore Trout

Just followed the link. The little shit-stain wore a kilt? For fuck's sake, people don't dress like that in the US. I'll bet he just wore that for the video edits and showed up looking like the pasty-white frat boy that he really is.

688 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:25:46am

re: #685 McSpiff

Hell, I'd go further than that. Having the FBI investigate thousands of kid followed by raids like these make a great tripwire... its sort of a metaDDOS on FBI resources too.

Nah. The FBI isn't a machine. It's composed of humans, and they have lots of people there who are datahounds. They get a lot of MIT math recruits too, it's not just the NSA. They're probably actually grateful for shit like this, because this amateur-hour bullshit allows them to analyze the attacks so that when someone actually serious gives it a try, they'll be better prepared.

689 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:26:18am

re: #686 JasonA

Heh. Heh heh. Now try getting them to put up the Constitutional amendment that would be required to make that happen!

And even if you managed to elect a Congress self-less enough to do so, you'd then have to get 47 states to go along with it, something that's not going to happen in states that virtually live on federal pork.

690 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:26:53am

re: #675 Obdicut

I'm not singling them out. I'm mentioning something that's true. I'm not even saying that blacks vote against gay rights-- the data from prop 8 is not actually that good, and doesn't really show much of a difference between blacks and other groups.

Prop 8 is becoming a red herring for me at this point. I would say the data doesn't show much at all.

Prop 8 did pass overwhelmingly in the white, low-population conservative counties. The counties where people actually live, including all 6.5% of us African Americans, were the counties voting against it. Either way, it barely passed anyway, 52-48. Better numbers than Prop 22, though tmk, nobody took a microscope to "African Americans" in that vote, or blamed us when it passed.

Washington DC, a majority-Black city, has had samesex marriage since 2010.

However, in well-done polls of blacks in general, they have lower support for gay rights than some other groups. I do not think that this is an important issue for many blacks, which is the key correlative question.

It's not an important issue for many nongays in general, and really just an abstraction.

I assumed you were speaking from experience.

Sorry, I couldn't tell if you were snarking or not.

I'm mainly speaking because of my friendship with three older gay men in San Francisco, all of whom who have lived there for forty years, each of whom is non-white, and all of whom talk about how much better things have gotten.

If you ever hang out at Moby Dick, you might know one of them-- Fundi.

I don't go there often, although I used to go up the street to The Pendulum (nice dive for nonwhites. And our many admirers.) until it closed. It's now something else, but that's the Castro.

Things have improved all over, be it societal antigay attitudes or antiblack/brown/Asian/woman attitudes in the Castro. All elements still could use a lot more work.

691 darthstar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:26:56am

re: #687 darthstar

Just followed the link. The little shit-stain wore a kilt? For fuck's sake, people don't dress like that in the US. I'll bet he just wore that for the video edits and showed up looking like the pasty-white frat boy that he really is.

I'd love to see someone hard-cuff him for being a suspected terrorist, and ignore his "It's just a trick! I'm James O'Keefe!" pleas for help when he's shitting himself in fear. That would be a youtube video to surpass "The maple kind?" dog video in popularity.

Shit...time for a meeting. Laters.

692 McSpiff  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:27:50am

re: #688 Obdicut

Nah. The FBI isn't a machine. It's composed of humans, and they have lots of people there who are datahounds. They get a lot of MIT math recruits too, it's not just the NSA. They're probably actually grateful for shit like this, because this amateur-hour bullshit allows them to analyze the attacks so that when someone actually serious gives it a try, they'll be better prepared.

I agree, but these are the guys who thought DDOSing cia.gov was smart. They clearly think they're smarter than the feds. Not saying they are in the least tho.

693 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:28:07am

re: #689 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And even if you managed to elect a Congress self-less enough to do so, you'd then have to get 47 states to go along with it, something that's not going to happen in states that virtually live on federal pork.

In my dream world there is no Senate...

694 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:29:17am

re: #679 Obdicut

I find it really funny that the LOIC didn't have any IP-masking built into it. The people who coded it didn't give a shit about who got burned by it.

Isn't that what Tor or other proxies are for?

695 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:29:48am

re: #690 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Prop 8 is becoming a red herring for me at this point. I would say the data doesn't show much at all.

That's what I said.

Things have improved all over, be it societal antigay attitudes or antiblack/brown/Asian/woman attitudes in the Castro. All elements still could use a lot more work.

Sure. All I was saying was that it's improved hugely since I've been alive.

696 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:30:18am

re: #694 laZardo

Isn't that what Tor or other proxies are for?

Yes. Most of the idiots using the LOIC wouldn't know how to use TOR or wouldn't bother to do so.

697 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:30:37am

Gah I've got to get this work done.

Logging off for a bit.

698 allegro  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:31:09am

re: #672 lawhawk

You don't say. GOPers who rode the way of taxpayer discontent find themselves working hard to bring home the bacon for their districts.

Like the guys who voted down the stimulus showing up with the giant check-and-handshake media ops bragging about their great contributions to their constituencies. But wait, aren't these the same guys who claim that liberals are always wanting something for nothing? That projection thing again...

699 McSpiff  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:31:34am

re: #694 laZardo

Isn't that what Tor or other proxies are for?

Not really. Tor isn't a high bandwidth network, so they'd lose most of their throughput, basically negating the attacks.

700 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:37:55am

re: #695 Obdicut

I'm just saying the legendary black homophobia is no worse, better, or more or less pathological than anyone else's homophobia. It's all damaging, but I also can't/won't let incorrect assumptions like Reuven's go unchecked.

701 allegro  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:54:09am

I'm having weird problems with the site today. Is it only me? Is this thread dead? *knock knock* Hello?

702 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:56:34am

Braiiinnnsss...

703 allegro  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:57:41am

The zombies has eated LGF!

704 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 8:58:50am
Youtube Video
705 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:02:18am

re: #704 laZardo

wha

706 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:03:30am

re: #700 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm just saying the legendary black homophobia is no worse, better, or more or less pathological than anyone else's homophobia. It's all damaging, but I also can't/won't let incorrect assumptions like Reuven's go unchecked.

The whole argument kinda falls apart simply because almost no one on either side can find much valid statistical work to describe the breadth and depth of homophobia in either group or their subgroups. At least not much science is making it to the popular audience.

707 laZardo  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:07:47am

re: #705 Sergey Romanov

wha

TMYK

708 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:08:03am

re: #706 Decatur Deb

[Link: cat.inist.fr...]

Résumé / Abstract
Black homophobia has been cited as a contributing factor in slowing mobilization against AIDS in the African-American community, as an obstacle to black lesbians and gay men in coming to terms with their sexuality, and as a challenge to the legitimacy of the gay rights movement. Yet evidence that blacks are more homophobic than whites is quite limited. This article uses responses from almost seven thousand blacks and forty-three thousand whites in 31 surveys conducted since 1973 to give more definitive answers on black-white attitudinal differences and their demographic roots. Despite their greater disapproval of homosexuality, blacks' opinions on sodomy laws, gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite similar to whites' opinions, and African Americans are more likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination. Once religious and educational differences are controlled, blacks remain more disapproving of homosexuality but are moderately more supportive of gay civil liberties and markedly more opposed to antigay employment discrimination than are whites. Yet religion, education, gender, and age all have weaker impacts on black than on white attitudes, suggesting that black and white attitudes have different roots

709 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:15:53am
Defying a veto threat, the Republican-controlled House passed legislation Tuesday night to slice federal spending by $6 trillion and require a constitutional balanced budget amendment to be sent to the states in exchange for averting a threatened government default.

Congratulations, teabag Congress. Now you just need to pass a real bill.

710 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:19:24am

re: #709 Bulworth

Congratulations, teabag Congress. Now you just need to pass a real bill.

They well, have no worries. This is just political cover for Boehner and Cantor. Their way of going "See, we are so 'fiscal conservative'!," just before they capitulate and agree to some minor tax revenue increases in exchange for some cuts in the final deal.

711 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:21:59am

re: #706 Decatur Deb

The whole argument kinda falls apart simply because almost no one on either side can find much valid statistical work to describe the breadth and depth of homophobia in either group or their subgroups. At least not much science is making it to the popular audience.

Yeah, it's nonsense to suggest Obama's support against DOMA and getting rid of DADT is going to translate into fewer "African American" voters, thus he won't follow through with ending DOMA.

Obama's platform -- the one all those 99.9999% of raging antigay Black voters voted in // -- featured DOMA repeal. Is the suggestion that people didn't know what they were voting for?

If followthrough doesn't happen, it will be because of the same old dumb socon bigots in Congress.

712 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:23:07am

re: #708 Sergey Romanov

[Link: cat.inist.fr...]

Interesting abstract. Thx for the link.

714 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:29:09am

Am I right, or is O'Keefe's newest a flop PR-wise? (I already know it's deceptive (duuh)).

715 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:31:57am

re: #714 Sergey Romanov

Am I right, or is O'Keefe's newest a flop PR-wise? (I already know it's deceptive (duuh)).

Even the wingnuts don't take this stuff seriously anymore. It made the rounds on wingnut blogs yesterday but they've already forgotten about it. Unless House Republicans launch an investigation it'll die out.

716 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:33:19am

Tickets to Miami cost $300 and this is the freaking off-season!

717 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:33:19am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

Even the wingnuts don't take this stuff seriously anymore. It made the rounds on wingnut blogs yesterday but they've already forgotten about it. Unless House Republicans launch an investigation it'll die out.

And that's not likely to happen anytime soon, as they're currently too engaged in seeing how much time they can burn and still meet the Treasury's Aug 2nd deadline for a ceiling raise.

718 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:34:08am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

That's good to hear.

719 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:35:00am

re: #708 Sergey Romanov

[Link: cat.inist.fr...]

Résumé / Abstract
Black homophobia has been cited as a contributing factor in slowing mobilization against AIDS in the African-American community, as an obstacle to black lesbians and gay men in coming to terms with their sexuality, and as a challenge to the legitimacy of the gay rights movement. Yet evidence that blacks are more homophobic than whites is quite limited. This article uses responses from almost seven thousand blacks and forty-three thousand whites in 31 surveys conducted since 1973 to give more definitive answers on black-white attitudinal differences and their demographic roots. Despite their greater disapproval of homosexuality, blacks' opinions on sodomy laws, gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite similar to whites' opinions, and African Americans are more likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination. Once religious and educational differences are controlled, blacks remain more disapproving of homosexuality but are moderately more supportive of gay civil liberties and markedly more opposed to antigay employment discrimination than are whites. Yet religion, education, gender, and age all have weaker impacts on black than on white attitudes, suggesting that black and white attitudes have different roots

Yup--and how many guys in the bars (or online) are familiar with those studies and can discuss their strengths and shortcomings? (Starting point--define American Blacks.)

720 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:36:06am

re: #714 Sergey Romanov

Am I right, or is O'Keefe's newest a flop PR-wise? (I already know it's deceptive (duuh)).

Picked a bad news cycle vs Murdoch Piegate.

721 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:38:03am

re: #720 Decatur Deb

Usually the nuts would swallow the bait and run with it, and the refutations would come after that. Given the slow progress of this new video, there was a time to expose it, and now it's unlikely to get hold (unless it's Honey Fox that just don't care).

722 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:40:58am

re: #658 allegro

Another canard I wish would die. A whole lot of very responsible people who did make those plans are now rowing without paddles thanks to the wall street wizards who created the melt-down that wiped out their retirement accounts and their home values. This BS meme about those irresponsible people who are now broke through no fault of their own really pisses me off.

Notice also that the Wall Street/Banks holding mortgages have only, potentially, lost assets equivalent to how much in the hole a mortgage is, which is generally much less than the total value loss of a property if it had equity to begin with as most did.

They still claim the right to receive interest on the full loan, or repossess the property, as if they are exempt from the full consequences of their own doing.

723 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:41:24am

re: #721 Sergey Romanov

Usually the nuts would swallow the bait and run with it, and the refutations would come after that. Given the slow progress of this new video, there was a time to expose it, and now it's unlikely to get hold (unless it's Honey Fox that just don't care).

Fox has to be making internal adjustments to the NOTW hit. Even if it doesn't get to the US Murdoch holdings, the middle managers and working stiffs have to be looking over their shoulders.

724 blueraven  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:46:55am

re: #723 Decatur Deb

Fox has to be making internal adjustments to the NOTW hit. Even if it doesn't get to the US Murdoch holdings, the middle managers and working stiffs have to be looking over their shoulders.

They are too busy pushing the F&F "scandal".

725 Kragar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:47:29am

re: #724 blueraven

They are too busy pushing the F&F "scandal".

But what about Casey Anthony?
/

726 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:48:42am

re: #724 blueraven

They are too busy pushing the F&F "scandal".

"F&F"? Damn, have I missed a nontroversy?

727 blueraven  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:48:42am

re: #725 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what about Casey Anthony?
/

I think HLN has that covered! Nancy Grace is disgusting on this.

728 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:48:49am

Yeah, the latest O'Keefe prank seems to have flopped simply due to being poorly timed, such that all the usual provocateurs are otherwise engaged. And such time has passed that, if anybody does try to pick it up and run with it, it's already been debunked.

729 blueraven  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:49:20am

re: #726 Decatur Deb

"F&F"? Damn, have I missed a nontroversy?

Fast & Furious

730 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:49:24am

re: #726 Decatur Deb

"F&F"? Damn, have I missed a nontroversy?

Too busy shooting your mouth off.

/hint

731 allegro  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:49:45am

re: #722 Naso Tang

They still claim the right to receive interest on the full loan, or repossess the property, as if they are exempt from the full consequences of their own doing.

So much this.

732 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:52:09am

re: #725 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what about Casey Anthony?
/

Or somebody hacking the Pentagon? Haven't you heard that everybody's getting hacked these days? We should be going after the hackers, not the "victims"!

//

733 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:53:48am

re: #730 wrenchwench

Too busy shooting your mouth off.

/hint

Hush. I'm trying to make the "Other" top ten.

734 Kragar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:55:12am

"Civil War" May Be Necessary to stop homosexual brainwashing

735 Alexzander  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:57:58am

CBS: NZ quake may have revealed Israeli spy ring

Sometimes I feel like I missed my calling by not going into intelligence.

736 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 9:59:49am

re: #734 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Civil War" May Be Necessary to stop homosexual brainwashing

You know, I'm honestly beginning to think we need a new alternative to Godwin's Law, only instead of calling someone a Nazi automatically meaning you've lost the argument, it'll be aimed at Tea Baggers and their absolute belief that they are all modern day "revolutionaries." It's simple really to follow: If you invoke the memory of the Revolutionary War in any manner to promote your argument as being just or virtuous, you're automatically a twat. Double points if you invoke them as an argument to promote bigotry, racism, or theocracy (but I repeat myself).

737 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:00:07am

Summer in Seattle
Image: Vb71v.jpg

738 Ericus58  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:00:28am

re: #734 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Civil War" May Be Necessary to stop homosexual brainwashing

Allowing our fellow Americans their right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"... is just like a far-away King taxing the Colonists without Representation.

This is lunacy.

739 brennant  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:01:04am

re: #737 Killgore Trout

Summer in Seattle
Image: Vb71v.jpg

This is what I get for installing AC in the PNW.

740 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:02:21am

re: #739 brennant

This is what I get for installing AC in the PNW.

Heh. I did it a few years ago. Most years it comes in pretty handy and I'm very glad to have it. I didn't use it at all last year and probably won;t this year either.

741 Ericus58  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:03:16am

re: #737 Killgore Trout

Summer in Seattle
Image: Vb71v.jpg

LOL, ain't that the truth!
But as my wife reminded me, it's better than the brain-melting heat much of the US has to contend with.

/i'm just getting tired of having a jaundice look though...

742 brennant  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:03:46am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

Heh. I did it a few years ago. Most years it comes in pretty handy and I'm very glad to have it. I didn't use it at all last year and probably won;t this year either.

We just had our first child last week... and glad we have it. Our house turns into a furnace when it is sunny. Couldn't imagine having an infant in a hot house.

743 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:03:49am

re: #739 brennant

re: #740 Killgore Trout

Are those heat pump systems? They really work well here at the other end of the country.

744 Kragar  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:04:07am

re: #736 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You know, I'm honestly beginning to think we need a new alternative to Godwin's Law, only instead of calling someone a Nazi automatically meaning you've lost the argument, it'll be aimed at Tea Baggers and their absolute belief that they are all modern day "revolutionaries." It's simple really to follow: If you invoke the memory of the Revolutionary War in any manner to promote your argument as being just or virtuous, you're automatically a twat. Double points if you invoke them as an argument to promote bigotry, racism, or theocracy (but I repeat myself).

Kragar's Law: You lose the argument when you start assigning religious interpretations to historical events with no factual basis.

"David Barton sure as hell broke Kragar's law when he said the Founding Fathers meant to establish a Christian Country."

745 brennant  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:05:51am

re: #743 Decatur Deb

re: #740 Killgore Trout

Are those heat pump systems? They really work well here at the other end of the country.

Nah ours is strictly AC. I would have had to move to a two stage furnace to really get the heat pump to be efficient.

Right now, our furnace fan has two settings: Off/100% thrust.

746 Alexzander  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:05:53am

re: #737 Killgore Trout

Summer in Seattle
Image: Vb71v.jpg

You live in Seattle? Definitely been chilli the last couple of days.

747 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:06:03am

re: #744 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kragar's Law: You lose the argument when you start assigning religious interpretations to historical events with no factual basis.

"David Barton sure as hell broke Kragar's law when he said the Founding Fathers meant to establish a Christian Country."

Youtube Video
748 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:07:26am

re: #743 Decatur Deb

re: #740 Killgore Trout

Are those heat pump systems? They really work well here at the other end of the country.

I installed a split system ac. The compressor is outside with a small wall mounted blower inside. Works really well in old houses that don;t have all the ductwork for AC. I have one wall mounted blower upstairs that cools the whole house pretty effectively.

749 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:07:51am

re: #746 Alexzander

You live in Seattle? Definitely been chilli the last couple of days.

I'm in Portland. Pretty dismal down here too.

750 Ericus58  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:08:10am

Any group or individuals that advocate a "civil war" or "revolution" in order to deny equal rights to a specific set of citizens based on their bigotry... are heading down a path of some serious bitch-slappin'.

And justly deserved ridicule.

751 Alexzander  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:10:11am

Anyone else get a lot of "unresponsive page" warnings in Chrome when browsing LGF?

Maybe its just that my computer is a few (3?) years old and we are past 500 ish posts. Every time I click the "post this comment" or the "new comments" buttons everything freezes for a few seconds.

Thankfully thanks to the sandboxing in Chrome I can still browse other sites simultaneously without slowdown though.

752 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:10:46am

re: #748 Killgore Trout

I installed a split system ac. The compressor is outside with a small wall mounted blower inside. Works really well in old houses that don;t have all the ductwork for AC. I have one wall mounted blower upstairs that cools the whole house pretty effectively.

Different world, then. We even install central systems in all our Habitat houses. They would be an economic trap without it.

753 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:11:46am

re: #751 Alexzander

Anyone else get a lot of "unresponsive page" warnings in Chrome when browsing LGF?

Maybe its just that my computer is a few (3?) years old and we are past 500 ish posts. Every time I click the "post this comment" or the "new comments" buttons everything freezes for a few seconds.

Thankfully thanks to the sandboxing in Chrome I can still browse other sites simultaneously without slowdown though.

Logging in to the ass-end of an overnight thread is full of teh suck.

754 recusancy  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:12:00am

Ezra has a good post up today on the paradox of presidential leadership.

In the end, the problem for the president is that though the public sees him as the player with the responsibility to make a deal, there’s not much he can do to persuade the opposition party to cut a deal it doesn’t want to cut. In the words of Allen’s Senate aide, going public “kills the deal” because it becomes associated with the president, and the opposition party is not supposed to associate with the president. Not going public kills the deal because it doesn’t create any pressure on the opposition party to bargain. But the reality is that nothing here is killing a deal. The deal was never alive to begin with.
755 sagehen  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:13:12am

re: #723 Decatur Deb

Fox has to be making internal adjustments to the NOTW hit. Even if it doesn't get to the US Murdoch holdings, the middle managers and working stiffs have to be looking over their shoulders.

It bears repeating -- any investigation of Fox or the Post's interactions with NYC police is going to bring us to Bernie Kerik.

He was very close to the whole Murodch Matrix for more than a decade. And he's currently serving a four-year term in federal prison, which he'd love it if he could get some time off for having a really good memory.

756 Alexzander  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:15:16am

re: #753 Alouette

Logging in to the ass-end of an overnight thread is full of teh suck.

Quoted for poetic truth.

757 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:16:43am

re: #736 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You know, I'm honestly beginning to think we need a new alternative to Godwin's Law, only instead of calling someone a Nazi automatically meaning you've lost the argument, it'll be aimed at Tea Baggers and their absolute belief that they are all modern day "revolutionaries." It's simple really to follow: If you invoke the memory of the Revolutionary War in any manner to promote your argument as being just or virtuous, you're automatically a twat. Double points if you invoke them as an argument to promote bigotry, racism, or theocracy (but I repeat myself).

I'm trying to to get a Godwin 2.0 listing for dropping "MLK", "I have a dream" "content of character" and Rosa Park's tired feet into political conversations. Personally, I think all 4 should be banned from the internet. / We should compare notes!

758 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:18:43am

re: #734 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Civil War" May Be Necessary to stop homosexual brainwashing

Some straight guy, he is. All he talks about is the gays.


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