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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:35:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:36:27am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

No wall needed. We can just blow up the bridges.

//

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:37:04am

Speaking of blackface, a take I have which may not be popular is that its problematic that Warren listed herself as “American Indian” on her Bar registration card in 1986, in that I suspect Native Americans will find her attempt to claim that identity for herself to be offensive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:39:54am

re: #3 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speaking of blackface, a take I have which may not be popular is that its problematic that Warren listed herself as “American Indian” on her Bar registration card in 1986, in that I suspect Native Americans will find her attempt to claim that identity for herself to be offensive.

Yeah that’s going to be a problem imo. Believing the family stories that turned out being true is one thing. But this is different. It won’t justify the right’s reaction to it but it’s worthy of criticism imo.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:42:22am

Regarding the Northam mess, it seems that the media is mostly focusing on the blackface. I thought the guy in the Klan costume was the worst aspect of that photo. Am I missing something here?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:43:15am

re: #5 EPR-radar

Regarding the Northam mess, it seems that the media is mostly focusing on the blackface. I thought the guy in the Klan costume was the worst aspect of that photo. Am I missing something here?

Yeah I’m stumped by that too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:43:50am
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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:44:00am

re: #5 EPR-radar

Regarding the Northam mess, it seems that the media is mostly focusing on the blackface. I thought the guy in the Klan costume was the worst aspect of that photo. Am I missing something here?

I think they’re focused on the blackface because that is apparently Northam in the blackface. If it was him in the Klan sheets, they’d probably be more focused on that.

I mean, if you’re willing to walk around in blackface for a Halloween party, it’s not like it’s much of a stretch that you’ll be cool with a dude wearing a Klan robe.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:44:16am

re: #5 EPR-radar

Regarding the Northam mess, it seems that the media is mostly focusing on the blackface. I thought the guy in the Klan costume was the worst aspect of that photo. Am I missing something here?

The guy in the Klan costume isn’t Northam.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:44:52am

Klan-adjacent is nowhere to be.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:44:56am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He had a name for himself long before you came along.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:45:20am

re: #9 Belafon

The guy in the Klan costume isn’t Northam.

Has it been confirmed one way or the other?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:45:57am

re: #8 KGxvi

I think they’re focused on the blackface because that is apparently Northam in the blackface. If it was him in the Klan sheets, they’d probably be more focused on that.

I mean, if you’re willing to walk around in blackface for a Halloween party, it’s not like it’s much of a stretch that you’ll be cool with a dude wearing a Klan robe.

I suspect this is correct.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:46:01am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’ve never heard of him.”

Fucking liar.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:46:27am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Such unity very dignity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:47:11am

Didn’t know this about Schiff but he prosecuted a FBI man suspected of giving info to the Soviets.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:47:15am

Uhh; okay I guess…

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:47:25am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

There was a lot of psuedo-freaking out on MSNBC last night about the whole “peace and legislation” or “war and investigation” bit, but my first thought was about history repeating itself as farce, and was comforted knowing that this is Stupid Watergate:

1974: State of Nixon

It didn’t work out well for Nixon, and he was smart/competent. So, I’m guessing it’s not going to work out well for Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:47:58am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe if you hadn’t colluded with Russia and Wikileaks he’d have less of a name to make.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:48:09am

re: #14 jaunte

“I’ve never heard of him.”

Fucking liar.

He has heard of him A) & he should know the names of the committee chairs B)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:49:03am

re: #17 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Uhh; okay I guess…

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WTF.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:49:47am
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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:50:00am

re: #17 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

In fact that AP article made a point of not calling Trump a racist and merely referring instead to the nature of his statements about nonwhites.

RWNJs are so stupid, part 1,000,001.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:50:27am

re: #18 KGxvi

There was a lot of psuedo-freaking out on MSNBC last night about the whole “peace and legislation” or “war and investigation” bit, but my first thought was about history repeating itself as farce, and was comforted knowing that this is Stupid Watergate:

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It didn’t work out well for Nixon, and he was smart/competent. So, I’m guessing it’s not going to work out well for Trump.

Nixon was smarter than Trump but Trump has more people willing to shill to save his ass.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:50:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:51:14am
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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:51:39am

re: #23 EPR-radar

In fact that AP article made a point of not calling Trump a racist and merely referring instead to the nature of his statements about nonwhites.

RWNJs are so stupid, part 1,000,001.

Nah. This guy just had actual reading comprehension skills and understood the context. The AP didn’t have to call Trump a racist, they just had to point out that he has a history of doing racist shit.

The fact that this guy took the No True Scotsman Racist Edition defense is a bold strategy…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:52:25am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:52:47am

I think it was pretty legitimate to point that out because Trump loves belittling black women’s intelligence.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:57:10am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Nixon was smarter than Trump but Trump has more people willing to shill to save his ass.

I wonder how much of that is the difference between being a first term president vs a second term president.

Nixon was never running for office again after 1972. But Congressional GOPers are faced with a situation where they know they’re going to have to face re-election at the same time as Trump in 2020.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:57:43am

February is “Blackface History Month”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:58:03am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:58:18am

re: #30 KGxvi

I wonder how much of that is the difference between being a first term president vs a second term president.

Nixon was never running for office again after 1972. But Congressional GOPers are faced with a situation where they know they’re going to have to face re-election at the same time as Trump in 2020.

I never thought about it like that. Plus Agnew was already gone too. So yeah you could be on to something but that there was no equiv of FNC in those days I think has helped Trump. Nixon with a FNC type machine behind him and who knows what happens.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:59:15am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:59:38am

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

February is “Blackface History Month”

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Those are entertainers that we respect. People that represent our values in elected office are different. So far, I think Herring has handled this better than Northam.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:00:04pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

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Why? The New Age guru lady probably has a higher approval rating.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:01:00pm

I went to college in the 1980’s. It was a STEM-focused tech school and didn’t even have any sports teams! (It’s a full University now with sports teams and everything)

All I remember is that there were many more women and people of color in the STEM classes than I subsequently saw at places like Ford and GM during my career.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:01:03pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s going to be a problem imo. Believing the family stories that turned out being true is one thing. But this is different. It won’t justify the right’s reaction to it but it’s worthy of criticism imo.

Since I confessed one sin from when I was 5, here I will confess that in 2000 I encouraged my wife to list her race as Native American in the census because her family tree showed that she is a descendant of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. I now realize that was insensitive, but fortunately Mrs. Aagcobb is unlikely to run for a high office.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:02:24pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder was actually making fun of blackface. He was playing a white (non-American, I believe Australian) actor who used blackface for the role. There was an entire subplot to the movie about the actual black actor character being pissed off about it and Downey’s character not getting it.

And I’d point out that Wilder and Aykroyd are shown in scenes with two of the greatest comedians (that happen to be black)… I’m guessing if Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor weren’t in on whatever the joke was, it probably wasn’t going to happen.

(I don’t have a defense for the rest)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:03:16pm

re: #38 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Since I confessed one sin from when I was 5, here I will confess that in 2000 I encouraged my wife to list her race as Native American in the census because her family tree showed that she is a descendant of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. I now realize that was insensitive, but fortunately Mrs. Aagcobb is unlikely to run for a high office.

I mean I don’t think it should ruin Warren but I hope she sees why it was insensitive just like you do now. One reason why I’ve been a little more sympathetic towards Herring is I think he realizes why it was wrong more than Northam did. Likewise, I think that Florida legislator’s example was more benign than the former SoS down there. All were racially insensitive but all seem a bit different IMO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:03:46pm

moron

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:03:53pm

re: #39 KGxvi

Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder was actually making fun of blackface. He was playing a white (non-American, I believe Australian) actor who used blackface for the role. There was an entire subplot to the movie about the actual black actor character being pissed off about it and Downey’s character not getting it.

And I’d point out that Wilder and Aykroyd are shown in scenes with two of the greatest comedians (that happen to be black)… I’m guessing if Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor weren’t in on whatever the joke was, it probably wasn’t going to happen.

(I don’t have a defense for the rest)

Yeah I remember that being a reason why black actors defended Downey at the time. There was controversy to it for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:04:26pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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moron

Maybe you should focus on actually being President rather than a shit talking piece of shit.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:05:13pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

They’re women or minorities. We know exactly what he’s thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:06:13pm

re: #44 Belafon

They’re women or minorities. We know exactly what he’s thinking.

“Low intellect.” His favorite phrase to anyone who calls him out on his shit. He would be selling used cars in Queens if Fred weren’t his Daddy and deep down I think he knows it.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:06:33pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember that being a reason why black actors defended Downey at the time. There was controversy to it for sure.

Yeah, even this clip makes it pretty clear that blackface is the butt of the joke:

Robert Downey Jr - Tropic Thunder - Plays black soldier

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:07:49pm

Lots of politicians getting deservedly called out for racist words and deeds lately. That’s a good thing. But in many cases, they’ve been saying or doing these things for a LONG time, in public, and suddenly they’re facing consequences. I have to wonder if on some level, we’re seeing some sort of mass sublimation effect — focusing on these racist politicians to avoid facing the biggest, most dangerous racism problem in the US, staring us right in the face: Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:08:16pm

then there’s Godfrey Cambridge in Watermelon Man (1970)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:08:43pm

re: #46 KGxvi

Yeah, even this clip makes it pretty clear that blackface is the butt of the joke:

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Video

What do you mean you people

Yeah it’s meta-humor. I can see why there was controversy for sure but I think most people understood the context.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:09:17pm

re: #17 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Uhh; okay I guess…

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Reminds me of a line from the miniseries “The Seventh Kingdom” “My father was a complete idiot. I’m a half-wit!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:09:37pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Lots of politicians getting deservedly called out for racist words and deeds lately. That’s a good thing. But in many cases, they’ve been saying or doing these things for a LONG time, in public, and suddenly they’re facing consequences. I have to wonder if on some level, we’re seeing some sort of mass sublimation effect — focusing on these racist politicians to avoid facing the biggest, most dangerous racism problem in the US, staring us right in the face: Donald Trump.

We have a President who was sued for racial discrimination FFS by the Nixon DOJ which wasn’t exactly the most PoC DOJ either.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:12:14pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Lots of politicians getting deservedly called out for racist words and deeds lately. That’s a good thing. But in many cases, they’ve been saying or doing these things for a LONG time, in public, and suddenly they’re facing consequences. I have to wonder if on some level, we’re seeing some sort of mass sublimation effect — focusing on these racist politicians to avoid facing the biggest, most dangerous racism problem in the US, staring us right in the face: Donald Trump.

Could be that we’re working towards Trump as well. Going after the low hanging fruit, establishing a template for how to do this, then going for the big enchilada, as it were. Trump isn’t going to be shamed into resignation, generations of breeding have left him without that gene sequence. So we’re going to need the institutions to do the heavy lifting if it happens before November 2020, and that means laying ground work in other cases first.

Or maybe I’m just being overly optimistic.

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gwangung  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:12:41pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

What do you mean you people

Yeah it’s meta-humor. I can see why there was controversy for sure but I think most people understood the context.

Acquaintances of mine wrote an article of when yellowface is acceptable (articles is now unfortunately gone) and it basically boils down to:

a) historical purposes, with the inference that it was wrong
b) when you’re making fun of the concept.

That applies here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:13:39pm

Smith and any other Black of African-American lizards, I’m definitely interested in your opinions here since you guys would have been aware of this in that era early 80’s era that both Northam and Herring were doing this in. My observation is that there was a lot more casual racism that was socially acceptable in those days versus today and that’s something I am glad is changing but we still need to work on it.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:13:46pm

re: #38 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Since I confessed one sin from when I was 5, here I will confess that in 2000 I encouraged my wife to list her race as Native American in the census because her family tree showed that she is a descendant of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. I now realize that was insensitive, but fortunately Mrs. Aagcobb is unlikely to run for a high office.

My great-great grandmother was an Oglala Sioux. Married a white man. Faced HORRIBLE racism. Their daughter married a white man. By the time my grandmother was born she could pass…she had black eyes and dark hair that she curled and I do not remember that woman ever going near the sun. She refused to say she had Indian blood….”I’m not a dirty Injun.”

I suspect my family’s experience is very common.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:14:51pm

re: #53 gwangung

Acquaintances of mine wrote an article of when yellowface is acceptable (articles is now unfortunately gone) and it basically boils down to:

a) historical purposes, with the inference that it was wrong
b) when you’re making fun of the concept.

That applies here.

I would agree with your acquaintances assessment. I would extend the same part A) when it comes to racial slurs but not B).

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:15:09pm
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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:17:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:17:42pm

re: #55 BlueGrl21

My great-great grandmother was an Oglala Sioux. Married a white man. Faced HORRIBLE racism. Their daughter married a white man. By the time my grandmother was born she could pass…she had black eyes and dark hair that she curled and I do not remember that woman ever going near the sun. She refused to say she had Indian blood….”I’m not a dirty Injun.”

I suspect my family’s experience is very common.

As something of a genealogist, my observation is the longer your family has been in this country, the more likely you’re going to find out you’re not who you think you are. I don’t have any Native American ancestors that I know of since I can trace my mom’s side back to Europe as recently as last century and my Dad’s into the 19th but there are other families that have been here for years that just can’t. And if I found out I was part Native-American or African-American or whatever, I wouldn’t consider myself that group but I definitely would try to understand the life my ancestor must have had. I do however have fairly close cousins who are biracial and their parents (my mom’s cousins) did sadly face scorn from the majority community over it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:17:42pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I mean I don’t think it should ruin Warren but I hope she sees why it was insensitive just like you do now. One reason why I’ve been a little more sympathetic towards Herring is I think he realizes why it was wrong more than Northam did. Likewise, I think that Florida legislator’s example was more benign than the former SoS down there. All were racially insensitive but all seem a bit different IMO.

I found the whole thing funny because my wife is a red head who is so pale she is incapable of tanning; she only burns and freckles.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:19:15pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

“Low intellect.” His favorite phrase to anyone who calls him out on his shit. He would be selling used cars in Queens if Fred weren’t his Daddy and deep down I think he knows it.

He would probably have been fragged in Vietnam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:19:47pm

re: #39 KGxvi

Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder was actually making fun of blackface. He was playing a white (non-American, I believe Australian) actor who used blackface for the role. There was an entire subplot to the movie about the actual black actor character being pissed off about it and Downey’s character not getting it.

And I’d point out that Wilder and Aykroyd are shown in scenes with two of the greatest comedians (that happen to be black)… I’m guessing if Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor weren’t in on whatever the joke was, it probably wasn’t going to happen.

(I don’t have a defense for the rest)

Nuance is dead. Context is tedious. This is some rather refined and well-timed political ratfucking and I have to very grudgingly give the GOP some credit for pulling it off as they did (not that it is the least admirable except from the point of view of political manipulation of public opinion)

We start throwing about absolutes like blackface = racist and it blows up in people’s faces (bringing to mind the aftermath of a typical explosion in a Looney Tunes cartoon)

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:19:54pm

re: #14 jaunte

“I’ve never heard of him.”

Fucking liar.

That was Trump being Trump. If you listen to how he said it it was mocking Schiff. He knows who he is and he did when he said it to put Schiff down.

That’s okay. Hopefully that will make it sting a little more when the “hacks” like Schiff help in making it clear to this nation who Trump really is and how so many fell for the con.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:19:55pm

re: #60 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I found the whole thing funny because my wife is a red head who is so pale she is incapable of tanning; she only burns and freckles.

Yeah it is pretty shocking but look at it this way, Pocahontas and John Rolfe are probably her 10th grandparents right? There’s 1022 others that helped shape her genetics to looking that way today heh. I was talking to my brother about the concept of dopplegangers and how they probably have some of the same genes as one’s self but it just came at a different way. My Dad was looking at an old picture of his mom as a young woman and realizing that she, him, and me have the same almost sad blue eyes.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:20:30pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Lots of politicians getting deservedly called out for racist words and deeds lately. That’s a good thing. But in many cases, they’ve been saying or doing these things for a LONG time, in public, and suddenly they’re facing consequences. I have to wonder if on some level, we’re seeing some sort of mass sublimation effect — focusing on these racist politicians to avoid facing the biggest, most dangerous racism problem in the US, staring us right in the face: Donald Trump.

Trump’s election, in part, was a reaction to people getting called out for being racist. That was part of the f-your-feelings reaction. And, other than losing elections, the only ones I see facing consequences are Democrats. And they are being outed by Republicans.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:21:27pm

About that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar registration card — this is an important note, buried at the bottom of the Washington Post article:

There’s no indication Warren had anything to gain by reporting herself as Native American on the Texas bar card. Above the lines for race, national origin and handicap status, the card says, “The following information is for statistical purposes only and will not be disclosed to any person or organization without the express written consent of the attorney.”

So she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. It actually backs up her claim that her family believed they had Native American ancestry, because why put that down if she didn’t believe it, when it wasn’t benefiting her in some way?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:22:03pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Smith and any other Black of African-American lizards, I’m definitely interested in your opinions here since you guys would have been aware of this in that era early 80’s era that both Northam and Herring were doing this in. My observation is that there was a lot more casual racism that was socially acceptable in those days versus today and that’s something I am glad is changing but we still need to work on it.

It was seen as tasteless but not as offensive as now.

And this again was an age without Facebook and Instagram and Twitter which makes any appearance, even at a party, into a matter of public record worldwide within seconds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:23:23pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Lots of politicians getting deservedly called out for racist words and deeds lately. That’s a good thing. But in many cases, they’ve been saying or doing these things for a LONG time, in public, and suddenly they’re facing consequences. I have to wonder if on some level, we’re seeing some sort of mass sublimation effect — focusing on these racist politicians to avoid facing the biggest, most dangerous racism problem in the US, staring us right in the face: Donald Trump.

And what Trump represents. The deeply ingrained racism of white America which continues to oppress POC, especially African-Americans, which will only be resolved by significant reforms and deep introspection we aren’t willing to undergo.

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:23:30pm

re: #46 KGxvi

Yeah, even this clip makes it pretty clear that blackface is the butt of the joke:

[Embedded content]

I was OK with this as it was mocking the idea of blackface throughout the movie. Tropic Thunder was a very interesting satirical view of hollywood.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:24:24pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

About that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar registration card — this is an important note, buried at the bottom of the Washington Post article:

So she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. It actually backs up her claim that her family believed they had Native American ancestry, because why put that down if she didn’t believe it, when it wasn’t benefiting her in some way?

Nuance again. The RW narrative is that she played the “minority race card” to further herself and the expense of more qualified whites.

Did she not take a DNA test that validated her claim?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:25:23pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

About that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar registration card — this is an important note, buried at the bottom of the Washington Post article:

So she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. It actually backs up her claim that her family believed they had Native American ancestry, because why put that down if she didn’t believe it, when it wasn’t benefiting her in some way?

I have been trying (and failing) to find some sort of benefit to her doing it. Thanks for corroborating.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:25:24pm

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was seen as tasteless but not as offensive as now.

And this again was an age without Facebook and Instagram and Twitter which makes any appearance, even at a party, into a matter of public record worldwide within seconds.

I was asking the African-Americans in the community for their opinion on the matter. I understand completely about societal changes in the last 35 years. However, I did want to hear about people whose race was caricatured by the Governor and AG’s outfits. I feel you’re being far too cavalier in how you’re completely dismissing it IMO because frankly you weren’t the subject of the mockery. I think the Herring bit is a little more nuanced. More juvenile stupidity than outright racist from what I am observing but done in poor judgment which my AG admits as such.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:25:50pm

Not actually a pro-life administration.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:26:45pm

re: #5 EPR-radar

Regarding the Northam mess, it seems that the media is mostly focusing on the blackface. I thought the guy in the Klan costume was the worst aspect of that photo. Am I missing something here?

he’s not the governor (presumably)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:27:04pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:27:05pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I feel you’re being far too cavalier in how you’re completely dismissing it IMO because frankly you weren’t the subject of the mockery. I think the Herring bit is a little more nuanced. More juvenile stupidity than outright racist from what I am observing but done in poor judgment which my AG admits as such.

I am not dismissing it, and I am glad that the attitude has changed over the past decades.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:28:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:28:14pm

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not dismissing it, and I am glad that the attitude has changed over the past decades.

I apologize. It came off that to me. I just think we need to understand and address why this is hateful. Frankly, I think the AG has shown he gets that. I haven’t seen as much from the Gov yet.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:28:54pm

I think Beto is going to announce.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:29:15pm

Anyhow, I know that Warren identifying as NA didn’t benefit her in any way but I can see why Native Americans might have a problem with it.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:29:20pm

re: #53 gwangung

Acquaintances of mine wrote an article of when yellowface is acceptable (articles is now unfortunately gone) and it basically boils down to:

a) historical purposes, with the inference that it was wrong
b) when you’re making fun of the concept.

That applies here.

c) You’re a soprano with a good high C and credible Italian and you’re not Yoko Watanabe.

Un bel dì - Manhattan Camerata, Junko Watanabe soprano, Stephen Sulich conductor

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:29:42pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

About that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar registration card — this is an important note, buried at the bottom of the Washington Post article:

So she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. It actually backs up her claim that her family believed they had Native American ancestry, because why put that down if she didn’t believe it, when it wasn’t benefiting her in some way?

Good point. The only legitimate criticism is that she was expropriating an identity while fully living a life as a white without in any way participating in the culture of a tribe.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:29:49pm

In which Matt Gaetz tries to out gohmert, gohmert.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) on Wednesday called on survivors of the Parkland shooting to be removed from a House Judiciary Committee hearing after they interrupted the congressman’s rant on illegal immigration.

At a House Judiciary hearing on gun violence, Gaetz attempted to change the subject to murders allegedly committed by undocumented immigrants.

After Gaetz called on Congress to build President Donald Trump’s proposed wall, a survivor of the Parkland shooting reportedly interrupted. Gaetz reacted by trying to have the survivors removed.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:30:13pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I was asking the African-Americans in the community for their opinion on the matter. I understand completely about societal changes in the last 35 years. However, I did want to hear about people whose race was caricatured by the Governor and AG’s outfits. I feel you’re being far too cavalier in how you’re completely dismissing it IMO because frankly you weren’t the subject of the mockery. I think the Herring bit is a little more nuanced. More juvenile stupidity than outright racist from what I am observing but done in poor judgment which my AG admits as such.

It strikes me that there is great distance between doing the classic minstrel show blackface and darkening your face to dress up as a rapper. The first is pretty clearly racist. The second could be racist or not. As has been mentioned: Context. Nuance.

Is it wrong to put on a big blonde wig to be Dolly Parton for Halloween if you are Asian? Or a Caucasian brunette? What about cross dressing? Should Leontyne Price have sung the Madame Butterfly role?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:30:49pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Literally why? His only qualification is being wealthy, he polls lower than measles in favorability, has zero governing experience and no policy proposals.

plus he’s not running for anything

billionaire who doesnt want to be called a billionaire gets free nationwide tv access

think they’d give it to me if i asked for a town hall?

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:31:16pm

re: #79 jaunte

I think Beto is going to announce.

He’s doing an event with Oprah and Common on the 15th. I don’t know if he will announce then, but if not, it will be not too long after.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:31:17pm

re: #38 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Since I confessed one sin from when I was 5, here I will confess that in 2000 I encouraged my wife to list her race as Native American in the census because her family tree showed that she is a descendant of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. I now realize that was insensitive, but fortunately Mrs. Aagcobb is unlikely to run for a high office.

I check “other” and write in “human,” have done so for fifty plus years.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:31:18pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

As something of a genealogist, my observation is the longer your family has been in this country, the more likely you’re going to find out you’re not who you think you are. I don’t have any Native American ancestors that I know of since I can trace my mom’s side back to Europe as recently as last century and my Dad’s into the 19th but there are other families that have been here for years that just can’t. And if I found out I was part Native-American or African-American or whatever, I wouldn’t consider myself that group but I definitely would try to understand the life my ancestor must have had. I do however have fairly close cousins who are biracial and their parents (my mom’s cousins) did sadly face scorn from the majority community over it.

My aunt researched our history and found all kinds of miscreants. One great-great grandfather was an abortionist who carried a fake “Harvard Medical School” gold-tipped walking stick. My dad still has it.

People don’t leave security, wealth, and stability to immigrate.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:32:49pm

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Good point. The only legitimate criticism is that she was expropriating an identity while fully living a life as a white without in any way participating in the culture of a tribe.

How?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:33:04pm

re: #85 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

plus he’s not running for anything

billionaire who doesnt want to be called a billionaire gets free nationwide tv access

think they’d give it to me if i asked for a town hall?

There are a lot of people who encourage him getting out the truth about Democratic plans to impose punitive, confiscatory taxation while giving away free jobs, medical care and educations to ungrateful minorities and illegal drug dealer immigrants.

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:33:35pm

re: #84 calochortus

It strikes me that there is great distance between doing the classic minstrel show blackface and darkening your face to dress up as a rapper. The first is pretty clearly racist. The second could be racist or not. As has been mentioned: Context. Nuance.

Is it wrong to put on a big blonde wig to be Dolly Parton for Halloween if you are Asian? Or a Caucasian brunette? What about cross dressing? Should Leontyne Price have sung the Madame Butterfly role?

I think darkening the face for rapper would be though I understand he and his friends were dressing up as a rap group they liked. If they were dressing up as generic rappers, I think it would be more a prolbem IMO. As for the other examples, I don’t see that as a problem no. I think the Herring incident is far more innocent than the Northam one and I think Herring has handled it better so far.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:34:10pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

About that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar registration card — this is an important note, buried at the bottom of the Washington Post article:

So she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. It actually backs up her claim that her family believed they had Native American ancestry, because why put that down if she didn’t believe it, when it wasn’t benefiting her in some way?

And by the way, the Washington Post is usually one of the better mainstream sources these days, but it seems kind of sleazy to bury this important information at the bottom of the article after discussing every other angle of this controversy. It should have been noted RIGHT AFTER the section about the registration card.

Burying it at the bottom increases the click bait potential of the article, though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:34:53pm

re: #88 BlueGrl21

My aunt researched our history and found all kinds of miscreants. One great-great grandfather was an abortionist who carried a fake “Harvard Medical School” gold-tipped cane. My dad still has it.

People don’t leave security, wealth, and stability to immigrate.

Europe didn’t send its best. Look at Friedrich Drumpf. :) But yeah. I have a second great grandfather who was murdered. Knowing how the men in our family don’t know how to STFU, Dad and I think he pissed the wrong person off and ended up in the Ohio River.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:35:07pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

then there’s Godfrey Cambridge in Watermelon Man (1970)

I loved that movie. I still remember seeing it the first time. As I’ve said, I grew up in a very mixed neighborhood and had a lot of Black friends both close and casual in my youth.

When I saw Watermelon man I was like: Whoa! It said so much about the things I was seeing and feeling.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:35:32pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Lots of politicians getting deservedly called out for racist words and deeds lately. That’s a good thing. But in many cases, they’ve been saying or doing these things for a LONG time, in public, and suddenly they’re facing consequences. I have to wonder if on some level, we’re seeing some sort of mass sublimation effect — focusing on these racist politicians to avoid facing the biggest, most dangerous racism problem in the US, staring us right in the face: Donald Trump.

this is one of the biggest disconnects:

R’s doing it now, today. in fact running on it as a ‘platform’ almost (king, trump)

vs digging up tasteless things D’s did quite a long time ago and don’t do any more (as far as we know).

senseless, insensitive for sure.
any dems joke about front row seating at a public hanging? didnt think so (hyde-smith)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:36:39pm

re: #95 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

this is one of the biggest disconnects:

R’s doing it now, today. in fact running on it as a ‘platform’ almost (king, trump)

vs digging up tasteless things D’s did quite a long time ago and don’t do any more (as far as we know).

senseless, insensitive for sure.
any dems joke about front row seating at a public hanging? didnt think so (hyde-smith)

Now that absolutely is what we need to fight back with. There has been nothing Northam has done as governor of Virginia that suggests he’s a racist today. Trump and King? Look at how they talk about PoC.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:36:47pm
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piratedan  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:37:47pm

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

i have a hard time buying into the appropriation theme… she has indicated that in the verbal family history that was presented to her as a child and no one gainsaying that in Oklahoma where she was raised has little to do with tribal appropriation. Did she lobby for official tribal recognition?

No…

Did she seek tribal political/leadership positions?

No?

at what point did she gain any benefit for believing her own family history that was presented to her as she was growing up? Did she understand that she had some Native American ancestry, yes. Did she present her self in any fashion as representative of all tribes or a specific tribe… No.

This is all bullshit GOP narrative that we’re answering to, drop the framing on their terms and this is essentially bupkis.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:38:00pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

I loved that movie. I still remember seeing it the first time. As I’ve said, I grew up in a very mixed neighborhood and had a lot of Black friends both close and casual in my youth.

When I saw Watermelon man I was like: Whoa! It said so much about the things I was seeing and feeling.

It’s vaguely influenced by a really early case of good-guy blackface, the author of Black Like Me.

amazon.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:38:03pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Now that absolutely is what we need to fight back with. There has been nothing Northam has done as governor of Virginia that suggests he’s a racist today. Trump and King? Look at how they talk about PoC.

again, that calls for nuance and context, and those concepts have been blown over like dry-wattle landscape trees in the shouting match that characterizes Internet political discourse today

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:38:08pm

re: #77 jaunte

There’s been a sliver of Republicans, going back to (at least) Reagan in his second term that have been arguing for some sort of guest worker/temporary work visa program. But like everything else when it comes to immigration reform, it never gets off the ground. The obvious point, to me at least, is if we have more people willing to and actually coming to this country than what the law allows, the best solution is to allow more people to immigrate. But of course, that is just going to scare the old (white, but I repeat myself) racists even more.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:38:20pm

re: #83 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

In which Matt Gaetz tries to out gohmert, gohmert.

“The only good victims are illegal immigrant crime victims.”

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:38:22pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I think darkening the face for rapper would be though I understand he and his friends were dressing up as a rap group they liked. If they were dressing up as generic rappers, I think it would be more a prolbem IMO. As for the other examples, I don’t see that as a problem no. I think the Herring incident is far more innocent than the Northam one and I think Herring has handled it better so far.

I’d just like to get to a place where we could quit having to tread quite so carefully-not because we don’t care what people think, but because it truly doesn’t matter. I’m not holding my breath for that moment when we all hold hands and respect one another as individuals, regardless of race, religion or national origin though.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:39:00pm

I don’t care what “side” you claim to be on. I’ll call out your BS either way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:39:01pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

It’s vaguely influenced by a really early case of good-guy blackface, the author of Black Like Me.

amazon.com

A German journalist picked up on that in the 70’s and posed as a Turkish immigrant worker to report on how he was treated.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:39:38pm

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, that calls for nuance and context, and those concepts have been blown over like dry-wattle landscape trees in the shouting match that characterizes Internet political discourse today

We weren’t any better in the past either. But that’s beside the point.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:40:10pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, I know that Warren identifying as NA didn’t benefit her in any way but I can see why Native Americans might have a problem with it.

i dont think they have a problem with it nearly as much as republicans do

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:40:26pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

About that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar registration card — this is an important note, buried at the bottom of the Washington Post article:

So she had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. It actually backs up her claim that her family believed they had Native American ancestry, because why put that down if she didn’t believe it, when it wasn’t benefiting her in some way?

Also interesting is it says the information isn’t supposed to be disclosed without consent.

How about they look into who released it with out Warren’s approval.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:41:23pm

re: #101 KGxvi

As the Trump Organization’s hiring practices have proven, frightened undocumented workers are more pliant and obedient than potentially unionized citizens.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:41:47pm

re: #103 calochortus

I’d just like to get to a place where we could quit having to tread quite so carefully-not because we don’t care what people think, but because it truly doesn’t matter. I’m not holding my breath for that moment when we all hold hands and respect one another as individuals, regardless of race, religion or national origin though.

I just wish people could see why something like that would bother people. Like I said, Herring and his friends seem to have been dressing as a very specific group of rappers. I think dying their face black was definitely in poor taste but I think it’s not as offensive if they had went as rappers and went as an exaggerated racial caricature of what a black rapper is. As for Asians or brunettes going blonde for Dolly, not a problem either, Dolly’s blonde hair is part of who she is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:42:08pm

re: #107 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont think they have a problem with it nearly as much as republicans do

Republicans just see it as another way to attack her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:42:29pm

re: #107 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont think they have a problem with it nearly as much as republicans do

They have a problem with Elizabeth Warren and see that as her most vulnerable point, and have been beating on it for ages now…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:43:10pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Republicans just see it as another way to attack her.

beat me by seconds with the same point

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:43:57pm

TBH I find the latest Florida Republican who won’t resign after it was revealed he and his black friend dressed up as each other in HS. I think it probably was in bad taste to dress in black face but I find it less problematic than the recently resigned Florida SoS who did it at an older age and specifically to mock those impacted by Hurricane Katrina.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:44:50pm

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nuance is dead. Context is tedious. This is some rather refined and well-timed political ratfucking and I have to very grudgingly give the GOP some credit for pulling it off as they did (not that it is the least admirable except from the point of view of political manipulation of public opinion)

We start throwing about absolutes like blackface = racist and it blows up in people’s faces (bringing to mind the aftermath of a typical explosion in a Looney Tunes cartoon)

On that note, there were some really fucking egregious examples of blackface in old cartoons (I can’t think of any Looney Tunes ones right off, but Tom and Jerry had quite a bit, as well as a stereotypical, grossly caricatured black woman as Tom’s owner for more than a few shorts); that’s a big reason why you don’t see a lot of either cartoon (and others too) from the 30s-50s out for public consumption these days, if you do at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:45:03pm

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

beat me by seconds with the same point

If she didn’t claim NA heritage, they’d accuse her of abandoning her Oklaohma roots by being a staunch progressive Democrat.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:47:09pm

Republicans remained focused on pointless performance art.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:49:07pm

re: #87 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I check “other” and write in “human,” have done so for fifty plus years.

i am so stealing that

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:49:17pm

Huh, just clicked over to RCP and noticed they had a poll for the governor’s race in Mississippi… apparently the potential Democratic nominee is leading by a couple of points in a general election match up. That’s a bit surprising.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:49:28pm

Basically I see it this way. You know how some rappers or entertainers have very specific things that identify them? I.E. hair color/style, a clothing accessory, etc. If you go to a party like that, that’s fine and if you changed your skin tone to look more like them, again in bad taste by our standards but I can understand why then. But if you just went as a generic idea of a rapper and started talking in stereotypical Ebonics or African-American dialect than frankly you were engaging in modern day like minstrel behavior.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:49:32pm

re: #103 calochortus

I’d just like to get to a place where we could quit having to tread quite so carefully-not because we don’t care what people think, but because it truly doesn’t matter. I’m not holding my breath for that moment when we all hold hands and respect one another as individuals, regardless of race, religion or national origin though.

Standards change, or, in this case, people become aware that what they used to do won’t fly now. It wouldn’t be so bad if all of the adults could act like adults, but we have an entire party that on the one hand doesn’t mind being racist, but is sure willing to use it against the other side when it’s to their advantage. That’s a good chunk of what this is.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:49:44pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I just wish people could see why something like that would bother people. Like I said, Herring and his friends seem to have been dressing as a very specific group of rappers. I think dying their face black was definitely in poor taste but I think it’s not as offensive if they had went as rappers and went as an exaggerated racial caricature of what a black rapper is. As for Asians or brunettes going blonde for Dolly, not a problem either, Dolly’s blonde hair is part of who she is.

Dolly’s blonde hair isn’t offensive because blonde is generally accepted as a good thing. If blondes were at the bottom of the pecking order, wearing a blonde wig would not be as innocent.
After all, I haven’t seen any serious efforts to get the Minnesota Vikings to change their name or mascot, whereas the various teams with Native American themes have been under fire for disrespect.

It is perfectly understandable why people get upset at these things, but it goes way deeper than no one wants to be made fun of. It’s that “punching up is better humor than punching down” thing again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:49:52pm

re: #119 KGxvi

Huh, just clicked over to RCP and noticed they had a poll for the governor’s race in Mississippi… apparently the potential Democratic nominee is leading by a couple of points in a general election match up. That’s a bit surprising.

Roy Moore’s cousin must be running.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:50:46pm

Funny how Al always understood where the line was.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:52:15pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Roy Moore’s cousin must be running.

I don’t know anything about Mississippi politics, but for those who might know more, here’s the latest poll.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:52:52pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are a lot of people who encourage him getting out the truth about Democratic plans to impose punitive, confiscatory taxation while giving away free jobs, medical care and educations to ungrateful minorities and illegal drug dealer immigrants.

/

ah, thanks

still if i held the very same positions and wanted a town hall, think they’d give me the time?

not a chance

‘person of means’ bullshit.
he’s a billionaire. they get free stuff the rest of us dont get
own it

then allow us to pool our fucking medical care coverage

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:53:14pm

re: #122 calochortus

Dolly’s blonde hair isn’t offensive because blonde is generally accepted as a good thing. If blondes were at the bottom of the pecking order, wearing a blonde wig would not be as innocent.
After all, I haven’t seen any serious efforts to get the Minnesota Vikings to change their name or mascot, whereas the various teams with Native American themes have been under fire for disrespect.

It is perfectly understandable why people get upset at these things, but it goes way deeper than no one wants to be made fun of. It’s that “punching up is better humor than punching down” thing again.

That’s very true. TBH, I think one thing about the Washington Redskins that a lot of people don’t know is the history of that franchise. Their founding owner was perhaps the worst racist in American sports history. The Redskins integrated after Jackie Robinson had retired in the JFK years.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:54:03pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Funny how Al always understood where the line was.

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Yeah and that’s cool. He didn’t paint his face, have offensive make-up, or use an exaggerated dialect.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:54:07pm

re: #119 KGxvi

Huh, just clicked over to RCP and noticed they had a poll for the governor’s race in Mississippi… apparently the potential Democratic nominee is leading by a couple of points in a general election match up. That’s a bit surprising.

He could win and lose. Mississippi also requires you to win a majority of the districts, or it goes to the House, though the two previous times the loser of the popular vote conceded in advance. Will they do that with a black governor-elect?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:55:38pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Funny how Al always understood where the line was.

[Embedded content]

Sometimes slips a toe across:

“Weird” Al Yankovic - Amish Paradise

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:56:44pm

God in turn agrees to stop smiting South Dakota for one more year.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:57:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:57:34pm

re: #131 jaunte

I’ve seen several wingnuts insist that Separation of Church and State was Hitler’s idea which is a strange thing to call Thomas Jefferson.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:58:05pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Now that absolutely is what we need to fight back with. There has been nothing Northam has done as governor of Virginia that suggests he’s a racist today. Trump and King? Look at how they talk about PoC.

that, plus your previous observation that this is clearly a politically motivated stunt are why he should not resign

the party made clear how it feels, so it is not hurting the party*

he should try and ride it out

*cause the only retort from the right would be we didnt push him hard enough to get him out. and that opens the door to king, hyde-smith, kavanaugh, trump etc and what the R’s are doing about them

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:58:22pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

They say that until Muslims outnumber them on a school board.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:58:58pm

re: #97 jaunte

[Embedded content]

trumps wall of southern politicians supporting ‘the wall’ is crumbling

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:59:13pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

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What pisses me off is we’ve had bigots for years. And the right’s fake crocodile tears at this while they ignored and in fact embraced people like Bob Marshall who is now gone thankfully and Dick Black who is on his way out being outright bigots while they were in office. And of course Corey Stewart too and yep Ed Gillespie knowing full well that the downstate voters equate every Hispanic with MS-13 and ruining that damn ad.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:00:23pm

re: #134 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

that, plus your previous observation that this is clearly a politically motivated stunt are why he should not resign

the party made clear how it feels, so it is not hurting the party*

he should try and ride it out

*cause the only retort from the right would be we didnt push him hard enough to get him out. and that opens the door to king, hyde-smith, kavanaugh, trump etc and what the R’s are doing about them

I dunno. I think his response hurt the party. I think if he stayed it out, it might be harder to pass legislation but what sucks is this is really going to impact us legislatively this fall. We are so so so close to reclaiming hte state legislature here. In fact we would have the House majority but for a coin flip.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:00:45pm

re: #135 jaunte

They say that until Muslims outnumber them on a school board.

or Jews.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:01:05pm

re: #109 jaunte

As the Trump Organization’s hiring practices have proven, frightened undocumented workers are more pliant and obedient than potentially unionized citizens.

cheaper too

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:01:43pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

That’s very true. TBH, I think one thing about the Washington Redskins that a lot of people don’t know is the history of that franchise. Their founding owner was perhaps the worst racist in American sports history. The Redskins integrated after Jackie Robinson had retired in the JFK years.

It’s not just Washington. Schools and colleges have used various Indian related names forever. The Stanford team used to be the Indians, but switched to Cardinals (weirdly out of place in the West) a number of years ago.

Anyway, I need to go get some things done. I’ll BBL after a quiet time spent dreaming of a non-discriminatory world with rainbow-farting unicorns.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:02:24pm

Ah Twitter, where random strangers pop up and tell you to go fuck yourself and call you a weird name because they have reading comprehension problems.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:02:32pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Republicans just see it as another way to attack her.

that’s all it is
and all that the northam thing is
and blumenthal
and her emails
and…
and…

there is never any there, there

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:05:20pm

I mean yeah I’m disgusted that Northam and to a lesser extent Herring thought this was okay when they were young men. Fairfax, I’m waiting and seeing. I’m not saying he’s telling the truth or his accuser is. However, the Virginia Republican party disgusts me. They nominated Corey Stewart for Senator last year. We all know Corey here so I won’t rehash how much he loves the CSA. They nominated Gillespie for Governor who played he George Wallace game of racial opportunism in how he used MS-13 to scare down state voters. And then you have Ken Cuccinelli who is a homophobic racist zealot run for Governor teamed with E.W. Jackson who is African-American but notoriously homophobic and bigoted towards Muslims. And before that they gave George Allen a second chance at the Senate after he had the infamous macaca incident. Oh and then there’s Bob Marshall who refused to treat his transgender opponent who thankfully beat his ass with any respect. And my own State Senator Dick Black who denied that spousal rape could happen. Does the Va Democratic Party have some people who could benefit from some racial sensitivity? Absolutely. But he Virginia Republican Party is full of assholes who look down on Northern Virginia’s racial diversity and think it’s ruining our state.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:06:07pm

re: #141 calochortus

It’s not just Washington. Schools and colleges have used various Indian related names forever. The Stanford team used to be the Indians, but switched to Cardinals (weirdly out of place in the West) a number of years ago.

Anyway, I need to go get some things done. I’ll BBL after a quiet time spent dreaming of a non-discriminatory world with rainbow-farting unicorns.

I know. Anyhow, I think for those the team name and logo matter. The Cleveland Indians name doesn’t bother me so much as the Chief Wahoo which they thankfully did get rid of.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:06:08pm

re: #141 calochortus

It’s not just Washington. Schools and colleges have used various Indian related names forever. The Stanford team used to be the Indians, but switched to Cardinals (weirdly out of place in the West) a number of years ago.

Anyway, I need to go get some things done. I’ll BBL after a quiet time spent dreaming of a non-discriminatory world with rainbow-farting unicorns.

Obligatory Stanford trivia, from someone who never went to any Stanford sporting event: Stanford is cardinal the color, rather than cardinal or cardinals, the birds.

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Varek Raith  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:06:26pm

WTF Virginia?
/Dumpster fire

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:06:59pm

re: #143 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

that’s all it is
and all that the northam thing is
and blumenthal
and her emails
and…
and…

there is never any there, there

Al Franken

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:07:12pm

re: #97 jaunte

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Just like he blew off his Intelligence Community, Trump knows more about the problems on the border than any old local Texas border community mayor or sheriff.

I bet you didn’t know that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:07:36pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Ah Twitter, where random strangers pop up and tell you to go fuck yourself and call you a weird name because they have reading comprehension problems.

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That’s why i don’t tweet. Kudos to you that do but people who screed before they read piss me off. I had to call out a friend yesterday for cherry picking something.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:07:43pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

These are offensive, but I sure hope I don’t get held up to a “things I thought were OK when I was a young adult” standard.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:07:44pm

I’m sure they can wait for bids to be handed out and a beautiful big wall to be completed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:07:54pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

Just like he blew off his Intelligence Community, Trump knows more about the problems on the border than any old local Texas border community mayor or sheriff.

I bet you didn’t know that.

Because he follows Fox news and not briefings.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:08:25pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

WTF Virginia?
/Dumpster fire

Remember when we thought Jim Webb bragging about his war activities was one of our most embarrassing moments?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:09:17pm

re: #151 Belafon

These are offensive, but I sure hope I don’t get held up to a “things I thought were OK when I was a young adult” standard.

I think for me anyhow, I just want people to understand why it was offensive. I understand why using gay as an insult when I was 14 was wrong and juvenile.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:12:59pm

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Al Franken

thanks. if i tried to maintain lists of all this stuff….

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:15:05pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

Just like he blew off his Intelligence Community, Trump knows more about the problems on the border than any old local Texas border community mayor or sheriff.

I bet you didn’t know that.

via politicalwire.com

“President Trump, who doesn’t regularly read the daily intelligence summary prepared for him, is also participating in relatively few in-person briefings from his spy agencies, according to intelligence officials and a review of his schedules,” NBC News reports.

“It’s the latest indication that Trump does not consistently rely on the information and analysis provided to him by the $80 billion a year U.S. intelligence-gathering apparatus.”

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Kilroy was here  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:15:14pm

This looks like a good idea

Ohio city to stop observing Columbus Day, make Election Day holiday instead

Officials in the city of Sandusky, Ohio, have decided that the city will no longer observe Columbus Day as a holiday, switching it for Election Day.

thehill.com

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:16:24pm

AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC. AOC.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:16:47pm

re: #89 Belafon

How?

She listed herself as “American Indian” in her Texas Bar Association registration form in 1986. I don’t even know how they found such an obscure document.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:17:42pm

re: #151 Belafon

These are offensive, but I sure hope I don’t get held up to a “things I thought were OK when I was a young adult…because i might ruin for public office 25 or so years into the future” standard.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:19:47pm

re: #157 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Of course Trump doesn’t deal with the Presidential daily briefing. That a job for his Russian spymasters.

Meanwhile, Trump takes his orders from Fox and Friends.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:20:31pm

re: #160 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She listed herself as “American Indian” in her Texas Bar Association registration form in 1986. I don’t even know how they found such an obscure document.

According to the article they got a number of documents like this with an open records request in Texas.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:21:54pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:24:52pm

re: #160 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She listed herself as “American Indian” in her Texas Bar Association registration form in 1986. I don’t even know how they found such an obscure document.

i am not being glib

they were looking for it/anything anywhere/everywhere

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:24:55pm

re: #164 Patricia Kayden

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“Hallmark holiday fails to derail racist twits. Film at 11.”

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:25:22pm

re: #160 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She listed herself as “American Indian” in her Texas Bar Association registration form in 1986. I don’t even know how they found such an obscure document.

And go read the thing Charles posted about where that information was filled in. How did she expropriate the identity since it was only used in the section that was for application statistics?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:25:34pm

re: #98 piratedan

i have a hard time buying into the appropriation theme… she has indicated that in the verbal family history that was presented to her as a child and no one gainsaying that in Oklahoma where she was raised has little to do with tribal appropriation. Did she lobby for official tribal recognition?

No…

Did she seek tribal political/leadership positions?

No?

at what point did she gain any benefit for believing her own family history that was presented to her as she was growing up? Did she understand that she had some Native American ancestry, yes. Did she present her self in any fashion as representative of all tribes or a specific tribe… No.

This is all bullshit GOP narrative that we’re answering to, drop the framing on their terms and this is essentially bupkis.

I agree, but the MSM loves to worry over these little things like a dog with a bone. OTOH, much more seriously, I heard on Signorile’s show an attorney for fired immigrant employees of the Trump Organization say that the Trump Org was forging identity documents and telling immigrants how to get false documents. This is yet another serious scandal while the MSM is focused on a Bar registration card and teenagers who wore blackface over thirty years ago.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:26:49pm

Things are reallllllly not going well in Virginia:

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:27:35pm
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:27:36pm

re: #164 Patricia Kayden

I didn’t think Northam got to moonwalk. Other think walking, I’m not seeing the joke.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:28:59pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:29:21pm

re: #168 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I agree, but the MSM loves to worry over these little things like a dog with a bone. OTOH, much more seriously, I heard on Signorile’s show an attorney for fired immigrant employees of the Trump Organization say that the Trump Org was forging identity documents and telling immigrants how to get false documents. This is yet another serious scandal while the MSM is focused on a Bar registration card and teenagers who wore blackface over thirty years ago.

of course it was

there is no way this could have happened accidentally/independently in 5(?) different businesses under the same umbrella organization

it was gonna be obvious the day the found the first person

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:30:23pm

re: #165 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i am not being glib

they were looking for it/anything anywhere/everywhere

It’s the Texas Republican Party.

No more need be said.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:33:59pm

re: #125 KGxvi

I don’t know anything about Mississippi politics, but for those who might know more, here’s the latest poll.

There are multiple GOP candidates running for governor in a primary. Once they pick their nominee, the supporters of the other GOP candidates will come home and he’ll get the lead over the Democrat, I would bet.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:35:26pm

re: #168 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I agree, but the MSM loves to worry over these little things like a dog with a bone. OTOH, much more seriously, I heard on Signorile’s show an attorney for fired immigrant employees of the Trump Organization say that the Trump Org was forging identity documents and telling immigrants how to get false documents. This is yet another serious scandal while the MSM is focused on a Bar registration card and teenagers who wore blackface over thirty years ago.

This thing with Warren’s identity is ‘But her emails’ v2.0. The mainstream media amplifies right wing bullshit political smears like it is their only fucking job.

It probably is.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:37:09pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:37:48pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

This thing with Warren’s identity is ‘But her emails’ v2.0. The mainstream media amplifies right wing bullshit political smears like it is their only fucking job.

It probably is.

And it will probably work. Policy-wise she’s my first choice, but electability is the ONLY crtierion for 2020.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:39:43pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

This thing with Warren’s identity is ‘But her emails’ v2.0. The mainstream media amplifies right wing bullshit political smears like it is their only fucking job.

It probably is.

They’ve never mentioned Trump lied about his grandfather. The same one that got kicked out of Germany.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:40:24pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:41:13pm

re: #167 Belafon

And go read the thing Charles posted about where that information was filled in. How did she expropriate the identity since it was only used in the section that was for application statistics?

The GOP isn’t going to care about that nuance. Expect this to be the subject of a presidential tweet about “Pocahontas” very soon.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:41:18pm

Saw this while scrolling through way too much twitter content. There’s a whole thread but the first tweet seems like it’s the way a lot of people in these situations should be addressing it (if it’s true and/or what they believe):

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:41:23pm

re: #180 lawhawk

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He’s got a child’s understanding of the border but without a child’s curiosity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:42:49pm

re: #182 KGxvi

Saw this while scrolling through way too much twitter content. There’s a whole thread but the first tweet seems like it’s the way a lot of people in these situations should be addressing it (if it’s true and/or what they believe):

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I’m guilty of one thing he’s talking about which is the shock to how recently all this was.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:44:57pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

And it will probably work. Policy-wise she’s my first choice, but electability is the ONLY crtierion for 2020.

In the modern era (post-1964), anyone who wins a major party presidential nomination is by definition electable. McGovern might by the only exception to this, but that nomination was… weird. Even Mondale was briefly within the margin of error.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:45:28pm

re: #180 lawhawk

That’s ummm…. some serious misallocation of resources right there.

How do you get across the border? Over, under, around. Adding the wire doesn’t stop anyone who overstays a visa (which is how most are here these days). This is all a show of security theater.

perspective
is
everything

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:45:39pm

And I admit that shock is my age and upbringing influencing my opinion. I guess I shouldn’t be sadly. I just thought better of both Northam and Herring.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:47:10pm

re: #181 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The GOP isn’t going to care about that nuance. Expect this to be the subject of a presidential tweet about “Pocahontas” very soon.

And like magic, the FoxNews Insider email arrives, with Elizabeth Warren topping their daily stories.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:47:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:47:28pm

re: #185 KGxvi

In the modern era (post-1964), anyone who wins a major party presidential nomination is by definition electable. McGovern might by the only exception to this, but that nomination was… weird. Even Mondale was briefly within the margin of error.

Admitting you’d raise taxes. Not a smart move. I like Warren but more as a Senator because I think we need someone with more of an interest in FP.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:47:50pm

re: #185 KGxvi

I might have mixed up the 1968 primary and the 1972 primary as the weird one. But Nixon hovered around 60% approval for most of his first term.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:48:04pm

re: #177 jaunte

I will admit I love the Pet Shop Boys, even if I can’t see the video.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:48:11pm

re: #185 KGxvi

In the modern era (post-1964), anyone who wins a major party presidential nomination is by definition electable. McGovern might by the only exception to this, but that nomination was… weird. Even Mondale was briefly within the margin of error.

Some are more electable than others. OTOH, it looked like Obama was dead in the Summer of 2008 when Rev Wright surfaced. He pulled it out with the best speech of his life, and I don’t know if anyone new could do that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:48:45pm

re: #188 jaunte

And like magic, the FoxNews Insider email arrives, with Elizabeth Warren topping their daily stories.

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As I said, it’s just a matter to attack her with rather than really attempting to understand why it would bother Native Americans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:48:54pm

re: #125 KGxvi

I don’t know anything about Mississippi politics, but for those who might know more, here’s the latest poll.

As LGFs I believe only Mississippian, these numbers seem accurate to me. If you look at the regional breakdown, the only places that the Democrat is favored over the Republican are the Jackson Metro area and the The Delta (effectively greater Memphis), two of the most liberal leaning areas of the state. Everywhere else, Reeves leads by a decent margin.

Also, guess which candidate blacks overwhelmingly support?

I agree with the assessment that after the GOP primary is done conservatives will rally behind whoever is picked and more than likely that person will be the eventual winner.

This state is more red than the back of a McDonald’s sign so I wouldn’t go hoping for any miracles. Remember: Cindy Hyde-Smith, after all the stupid shit she did, still won handily down here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:49:47pm

re: #191 KGxvi

I might have mixed up the 1968 primary and the 1972 primary as the weird one. But Nixon hovered around 60% approval for most of his first term.

72 was the weird one. No foresaw one saw McGovern as the nominee.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:49:49pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Admitting you’d raise taxes. Not a smart move. I like Warren but more as a Senator because I think we need someone with more of an interest in FP.

Especially in the midst of a recession when people are suffering.

I do think Warren would be better in the Senate (I’m also skeptical of her wealth tax on a constitutional basis). Right now, I’m partial to Harris and Gilibrand but there’s a long way to go.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:50:34pm

re: #192 Belafon

I will admit I love the Pet Shop Boys, even if I can’t see the video.

It’s a new celebratory song about our current leadership.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:50:41pm

re: #197 KGxvi

Especially in the midst of a recession when people are suffering.

I do think Warren would be better in the Senate (I’m also skeptical of her wealth tax on a constitutional basis). Right now, I’m partial to Harris and Gilibrand but there’s a long way to go.

I like those two ladies and Castro.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:51:25pm

I’m not going to campaign for a primary candidate unless one really stands out to me. I will the nominee.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:51:47pm

Pet Shop Boys:
Give Stupidity A Chance

Intelligent people
have had their say
It’s time for the foolish
to show the way
Let’s lead this world a merry dance
Let’s give stupidity a chance

We’ve heard quite enough
of experts and their dealings
Why face the facts
when you can just feel the feelings?
Let’s lead this world a merry dance
Let’s give stupidity a chance

Forget political correctness
I mean WTF?!
I don’t wanna think about the world
I wanna talk about myself!

Instead of governing
with thoughtful sensitivity
Let’s shock and awe the world
with idiotic bigotry
Let’s lead this world a merry dance
and give stupidity a chance

You say corruption
I say justified reward
Keeps the cronies loyal
Chairmen of the board
Let’s lead this world a merry dance
and give stupidity a chance

Forget political correctness
Let’s talk man to man
Chicks are always up for it
You gotta grab whatever you can

We need a leader who knows
that money means class
with an eye for a peach-perfect
piece of ass
Not a total dumb-cluck
just one of the guys
Let’s give stupidity a prize
Let’s lead this world a merry dance
and give stupidity a chance
Let’s give stupidity a chance

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:51:58pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Some are more electable than others. OTOH, it looked like Obama was dead in the Summer of 2008 when Rev Wright surfaced. He pulled it out with the best speech of his life, and I don’t know if anyone new could do that.

I like McCain in 2000, but I never thought he had much of a chance in 2008. I don’t remember Obama ever being in trouble in that race. I don’t think I’d ever been more confident of an outcome than 2008.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:52:35pm

68 was going to be RFK or Humphrey. Present day bias doesn’t make me think too highly of Gene McCarthy.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:53:10pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Some are more electable than others. OTOH, it looked like Obama was dead in the Summer of 2008 when Rev Wright surfaced. He pulled it out with the best speech of his life, and I don’t know if anyone new could do that.

The Rev. Wright thing was also a total nothingburger. In a democracy having a rational electorate, no response by Obama would have been needed.

But a black guy expressing pointed criticism of America in biblical terms was enough to send some ungodly fraction of White America to its fainting couch, and Obama had to deal with that.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:53:18pm

re: #202 KGxvi

I like McCain in 2000, but I never thought he had much of a chance in 2008. I don’t remember Obama ever being in trouble in that race. I don’t think I’d ever been more confident of an outcome than 2008.

I worried a bit that an African-American couldn’t win the presidency because racism, and I was gratified to be wrong. Then Trump happened.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:53:37pm

re: #202 KGxvi

I like McCain in 2000, but I never thought he had much of a chance in 2008. I don’t remember Obama ever being in trouble in that race. I don’t think I’d ever been more confident of an outcome than 2008.

There was some doubt that summer but once we hit fall, it was Obama’s to win. McCain v Bradley in 2000 is an interesting what if.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:54:09pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Admitting you’d raise taxes. Not a smart move. I like Warren but more as a Senator because I think we need someone with more of an interest in FP.

Raise the damn taxes. It’s that, or every non-DoD/CPB program is on their hit list.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:55:02pm

re: #182 KGxvi

Saw this while scrolling through way too much twitter content. There’s a whole thread but the first tweet seems like it’s the way a lot of people in these situations should be addressing it (if it’s true and/or what they believe):

So, on this blackface stuff…maybe one of these politicians and their teams will be candid about the fact that they were raised and socialized during times and places where racism was normal and the impact of that is still pervasive in our lives to this day. Maybe.

i was raised on Long Island, new york

since a child forced to go to religious school i’ve thought, probably like everyone else, how clear it is that a different family, i’d be a different religion, etc

as a now atheist, i cant quite buy the cosmic notion that god put me where he put me and in any other circumstance some how i’d have found the same one true way anyway

one of my biggest ‘fears’ is if i were raised in ‘the south’ (or where ever) how obviously i’d have been that

was / would there have been a strong inherent ‘good’ in me that would have overrode all that socialization and told me treating other people that way was wrong?
that they are in fact people?
I like to think i would have got an education, learned and maybe ‘broken through’.

my fear is that i would not have

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:55:35pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Admitting you’d raise taxes. Not a smart move. I like Warren but more as a Senator because I think we need someone with more of an interest in FP.

All of our candidates are screwed because they’re all planning on raising some people’s taxes, namely the upper class.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:55:55pm

re: #205 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I worried a bit that an African-American couldn’t win the presidency because racism, and I was gratified to be wrong. Then Trump happened.

I think sad to say a lot of the Obama-Trump voters were fine when Obama wasn’t a black guy but they hated it when he reminded them that yes I’m African American and I know what racial discrimination is. Trump fed on that and yeah anti HRC shit. My brothers are both convinced HRC robbed Bernie and that HRC is a crook.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:56:07pm

re: #202 KGxvi

I like McCain in 2000, but I never thought he had much of a chance in 2008. I don’t remember Obama ever being in trouble in that race. I don’t think I’d ever been more confident of an outcome than 2008.

The worst came and went over a weekend or so. He never looked safe in Baja Alabama.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:57:35pm

re: #209 Belafon

All of our candidates are screwed because they’re all planning on raising some people’s taxes, namely the upper class.

Mondale flat out said he would “raise your taxes” and he had on the surface affable Grandpa Ron to tell us he wouldn’t make an issue of his opponent’s youth or inexperience and sad to say that was the beginning of the end for Mondale.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:58:03pm

re: #188 jaunte

And like magic, the FoxNews Insider email arrives, with Elizabeth Warren topping their daily stories.

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im gonna keep hammering it: 32 years ago. to no effect. and they dont care.

while king, hunter, hyde-smith, trump, ad nauseum are still behaving the way they are today

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:58:27pm

re: #202 KGxvi

I like McCain in 2000, but I never thought he had much of a chance in 2008. I don’t remember Obama ever being in trouble in that race. I don’t think I’d ever been more confident of an outcome than 2008.

It’s kind of unimaginable for a Republican to win the presidency right after 8 solid years of GW Bush and co. fucking up everything in sight like a severely obsessive animal-fucker in a stockyard.

But all (D) victories have to be earned. Only Republicans get gimmes in US presidential politics.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:58:37pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

then there’s Godfrey Cambridge in Watermelon Man (1970)

But that’s kind of a reversal - he started the movie in whiteface (as a bigot), then woke up one morning to find himself black.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:58:43pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

The worst came and went over a weekend or so. He never looked safe in Baja Alabama.

The odd thing for me is that in 2008 HRC was the candidate of the same white working class voters that later left her for Bernie and Trump.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:59:10pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Mondale flat out said he would “raise your taxes” and he had on the surface affable Grandpa Ron to tell us he wouldn’t make an issue of his opponent’s youth or inexperience and sad to say that was the beginning of the end for Mondale.

I’m a bit too young to remember it myself, but my impression is that Mondale laughing at that joke effectively ended the race.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:59:28pm

re: #208 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i was raised on Long Island, new york

since a child forced to go to religious school i’ve thought, probably like everyone else, how clear it is that a different family, i’d be a different religion, etc

as a now atheist, i cant quite buy the cosmic notion that god put me where he put me and in any other circumstance some how i’d have found the same one true way anyway

one of my biggest ‘fears’ is if i were raised in ‘the south’ (or where ever) how obviously i’d have been that

was / would there have been a strong inherent ‘good’ in me that would have overrode all that socialization and told me treating other people that way was wrong?
that they are in fact people?
I like to think i would have got an education, learned and maybe ‘broken through’.

my fear is that i would not have

You’re in luck. There are actual atheists in the South, such as me, who went to church as a kid, grew up with racist parents, and still managed to only be screwed up a little. But, I will say this, some of it has been a learning process, and I’m still learning. That’s why I do tend to be more concerned with how these people act now than how they acted back then, especially with blackface. It was insensitive, but it wasn’t thrown-on-the-floor-and-pinned-down bad.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:00:32pm

re: #217 KGxvi

I’m a bit too young to remember it myself, but my impression is that Mondale laughing at that joke effectively ended the race.

I think I saw him acknowledge as such. Trump can’t disarm you like Reagan could. I’m no fan of Reagan but he was capable of not being a grandstanding jackass.

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piratedan  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:00:36pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

i actually think her stating that she will raise taxes is a smart move…. why, because of who she will raise taxes on. She has repeatedly stated that the wealthiest and many business types could be expected to see their taxes raised if she was elected. I really don’t think taxes are the boogeyman that everyone says that they are as an issue. people are starting to realize that those taxes actually pay for programs like Medicare, immigration reform, clean water, clean air, safe food, school funding, federal loan programs etc…

we have to stop letting these guys set the framing and having that dictate the strategy of running for office, people are wanting serious people to address serious problems and stop dealing and reacting to this culture war shit that the GOP consistently peddles and the MSM panders to. This is exactly the shit that many of us are so incredibly tired of responding to, there’s plenty of big fucking problems that we have to deal with, and the GOP believes that as long as they’re safely behind their remote controlled gated community access, everything else is fine.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:01:26pm

re: #209 Belafon

All of our candidates are screwed because they’re all planning on raising some people’s taxes, namely the upper class.

this is the problem when you inherit the last guy’s unpaid debts

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:01:52pm

re: #220 piratedan

i actually think her stating that she will raise taxes is a smart move…. why, because of who she will raise taxes on. She has repeatedly stated that the wealthiest and many business types could be expected to see their taxes raised if she was elected. I really don’t taxes are the boogeyman that everyone says that they are as an issue. people are starting to realize that those taxes actually pay for programs like Medicare, immigration reform, clean water, clean air, safe food, school funding, federal loan programs etc…

we have to stop letting these guys set the framing and having that dictate the strategy of running for office, people are wanting serious people to address serious problems and stop dealing and reacting to this culture war shit that the GOP consistently peddles and the MSM panders to. This is exactly the shit that many of us are so incredibly tired of responding to, there’s plenty of big fucking problems that we have to deal with, and the GOP believes that as long as they’re safely behind their remote controlled gated community access, everything else is fine.

I was actually talking about Mondale admitting that he would in 1984. I actually agree with you that candor on raising taxes wouldn’t be a dealbreaker today.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:02:40pm

To be honest, I’m beginning to feel that Northam and Fairfax should stay where they are and not step down. This is beginning to look like a coup now that Herring also admits to using blackface in 1980. What a mess. Sigh.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:02:44pm

re: #220 piratedan

It also helps that after decades of being told “if we cut taxes for the rich and corporations then everyone will get a raise” that people are figuring out that it’s bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:02:52pm

re: #217 KGxvi

I’m a bit too young to remember it myself, but my impression is that Mondale laughing at that joke effectively ended the race.

I don’t think 1984 was ever a race. Way too many people just mindlessly gave Reagan credit for ending the Iran hostage-taking.

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piratedan  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:04:26pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

my apologies HW for any implication that I thought you were the problem, not my intention…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:04:40pm

re: #213 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

im gonna keep hammering it: 32 years ago. to no effect. and they dont care.

while king, hunter, hyde-smith, trump, ad nauseum are still behaving the way they are today

we’re still trying to play by the old ‘rules’
it’s asymmetrical fucking warfare and we’re letting them

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:05:07pm

re: #223 Patricia Kayden

To be honest, I’m beginning to feel that Northam and Fairfax should stay where they are and not step down. This is beginning to look like a coup now that Herring also admits to using blackface in 1980. What a mess. Sigh.

I think Herring states in the worst case. I think Democrats had better quickly figure how to deal with recent history or we’re going to screw ourselves over.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:05:31pm

Trump to me just seems to take the worst traits of past Presidents and none of the positive ones. He has Nixon’s vindictiveness. He lacks Nixon’s intelligence. He has Reagan’s senility. He lacks Reagan’s ability to unify behind the nation. He has HW Bush’s dirty trickery. He lacks HW’s dedication to public service. He has W’s less than intellectual curiosity while lacking W’s ability to treat even those who disagree with him friendly.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:05:52pm

re: #227 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

we’re still trying to play by the old ‘rules’
it’s asymmetrical fucking warfare and we’re letting them

The funny thing is, we’re playing by new rules. Would the Democratic party have cared about blackface 20 years ago?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:06:54pm

re: #226 piratedan

my apologies HW for any implication that I thought you were the problem, not my intention…

No, you’re good. I’m just saying I think it killed Mondale. In those days, we definitely were more naive about taxes. It all depends how Warren would sell it, how Trump would respond, & the media.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:07:03pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

It’s vaguely influenced by a really early case of good-guy blackface, the author of Black Like Me.

amazon.com

For me that book was the kind of moment Leonard Cohen wrote about, “There’s a crack, a crack in everything. That’s how the light gets in.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:07:31pm

re: #230 Belafon

The funny thing is, we’re playing by new rules. Would the Democratic party have cared about blackface 20 years ago?

Excellent question.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:08:02pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I think I saw him acknowledge as such. Trump can’t disarm you like Reagan could. I’m no fan of Reagan but he was capable of not being a grandstanding jackass.

reagan could act
if he wasnt so good at it i wonder if he would have won

trump is bluster and bullshit which more and more people are finally accepting.
he targets those who on some level want to be conned

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:08:57pm

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

Excellent question.

It’s a tough question. The CSA one came up since there were Southerners for Gore-Clinton buttons with the stars and bars. And frankly this is why diversity is needed.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:09:25pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:09:45pm

re: #223 Patricia Kayden

To be honest, I’m beginning to feel that Northam and Fairfax should stay where they are and not step down. This is beginning to look like a coup now that Herring also admits to using blackface in 1980. What a mess. Sigh.

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ride. it. out.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:09:59pm

re: #232 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

For me that book was the kind of moment Leonard Cohen wrote about, “There’s a crack, a crack in everything. That’s how the light gets in.”

For Wife and for me, a thousand miles apart and years before meeting, it was the photo of Bull Connor’s dogs.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:11:04pm

re: #224 KGxvi

It also helps that after decades of being told “if we cut taxes for the rich and corporations then everyone will get a raise” that people are figuring out that it’s bullshit.

-a whole host of ‘regular’ folks talked about the debt and deficit and ‘our grandchildren’
- many were interviewed on tv

how’d that work out these last two years?
or dont your grandchildren matter any more?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:11:13pm

re: #234 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

reagan could act
if he wasnt so good at it i wonder if he would have won

trump is bluster and bullshit which more and more people are finally accepting
he targets those who on some level want to be conned

Agreed. Reagan never convinced my family. My moms dad always said he never thought he was that good an actor so he wasn’t fooled by it. The funny thing though is I’m sure many of his old friends in Cambria County, Pa weren’t fooled by Reagan (Reagan lost big there) but their sons and daughters were (Trump won big there.)

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:12:14pm

re: #165 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i am not being glib

they were looking for it/anything anywhere/everywhere

Maybe that’s where a good chunk of all that disappearing Trump inauguration money went…

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:12:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:12:59pm

re: #237 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ride. it. out.

It’s such a frustrating thing since every Dem in the legislature is up and everyone of them is tied to these three guys.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:13:34pm

re: #242 jaunte

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As I said, let’s look at GOP leaders too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:15:18pm

I knew a few douchebags in college who thought racist jokes were funny. Not sure if they’d go as far as to put on blackface, though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:15:50pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

As I said, let’s look at GOP leaders too.

By all means but sadly this kind of stuff just isn’t as damaging to Republicans as it is to Democrats.

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piratedan  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:16:17pm

re: #237 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

all you gotta do to see the bias in the system is to see how Steve King still sits in his seat, w/o sanction from the House Republicans or the Iowa GOP and the amount of media attention focused on him and his statements and actions over the last 5 years versus what is taking place in Va over events that transpired decades ago. I don’t want to say that what is happening isn’t newsworthy and doesn’t merit attention or even action/apology/resignation but in perspective, we have a virtual Nazi serving in one of the highest elected offices in the land, unapologetically and his party essentially refuses to do anything about it. Whereas in Va, we have calls for resignation, apologies and a pattern of revelation that follows a pattern of similar GOP ratfucking efforts.

The tell is the media, does the media stay on this like they did with Clinton e-mails or do the current events of the day, relegate this to something troubling but will be addressed by those most effected by it, namely the residents of Virginia and the Democratic Party members of Virginia and the courts, should anything be filed.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:18:23pm

re: #230 Belafon

The funny thing is, we’re playing by new rules. Would the Democratic party have cared about blackface 20 years ago?

maybe this is semantics and nuanced

yes, we are somewhat introspective. our standards have evolved and continue to. (that’s progressive, isn’t it)

on the level of political tactics we treat ourselves and the r’s differently than they treat us and themselves. two rule books

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:18:25pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

By all means but sadly this kind of stuff just isn’t as damaging to Republicans as it is to Democrats.

Sure but we need to point out the double standards.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:18:43pm

re: #192 Belafon

I will admit I love the Pet Shop Boys, even if I can’t see the video.

The Pet Shop Boys are quintssential/defining 80s electronic new wave. They are brilliant.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:19:34pm

Conservatives of course respond with the classic DARVO

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wrenchwench  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:20:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:20:54pm

re: #251 jaunte

Conservatives of course respond with the classic DARVO

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This shit makes me want to hurl because those two know they’re spreading lies.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:21:36pm

You cannot condemn liberals for being proponents of diversity and then liken them to the KKK.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:22:45pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

It makes the same sense as rapping on the top of your skull with a knuckle.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:23:40pm

Our President is openly admired by David Duke but sure Ann and Katrina tell your stupid readers that AOC is a Klan supporter when your idea of citizenship is from Nuremberg.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:24:23pm

I think this one is even more accurate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:24:58pm

re: #255 jaunte

It makes the same sense as rapping on the top of your skull with a knuckle.

They do this shit all the goddamn time. Meanwhile Coulter literally believes only people with all four grandparents born in the US can vote which means I’m the only one in my family that can vote even though I have roots going back to a Washington’s presidency.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:25:21pm

re: #255 jaunte

It makes the same sense as rapping on the top of your skull with a knuckle.

Ahem. I can make interesting, musical, tympanic sounds audible to an audience by thumping my cranium with my knuckles. Perhaps it is time for a YouTube video?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:26:44pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

It’s such a frustrating thing since every Dem in the legislature is up and everyone of them is tied to these three guys.

i know this is probably untenable
- they can all state their disgust and position about him - distance themselves as far as they can.
- can they really force him out over this? im guessing not. so he stays. yes, ineffective maybe.

meanwhile, that list upthread (king et al)? the R’s can very easily lead the charge to forcefully boot them out of congress. they’re not even politely asking them to resign.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:26:45pm

We’re either ruining this country with diversity or we’re the same white supremacists threatened by non whites.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:27:15pm

re: #259 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I think percussive self-rapping is in a different category!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:27:18pm

re: #260 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i know this is probably untenable
- they can all state their disgust and position about him - distance themselves as far as they can.
- can they really force him out over this? im guessing not. so he stays. yes, ineffective maybe.

meanwhile, that list upthread (king et al)? the R’s can very easily lead the charge to forcefully boot them out of congress. they’re not even politely asking them to resign.

True. It’s just frustrating.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:27:47pm

I know that Corgan has turned into kind of a whack job, but I’m a sucker for stories of musicians being reunited with stolen instruments - After 27 Years, Billy Corgan Finally Reunites With Stolen ‘Gish’ Guitar

About a year after Smashing Pumpkins issued their fuzzy, trippy debut, Gish, a thief stole Billy Corgan’s favorite guitar. The band had just finished a gig at Detroit’s Saint Andrew’s Hall in June 1992 when a friend who was acting as a roadie told him, “Somebody just walked out the back door with your guitar.” It hadn’t even been five minutes since the band finished the show, as Corgan recalls. “I was like, ‘How is that even possible? Where’s security? Where were you?’” He filed a police report and offered a $10,000, no-questions-asked reward for its return.

For the past 27 years, he’s heard rumors of the guitar resurfacing. “It got to the point where you started not believing it, because you heard it so many times,” he tells Rolling Stone. “It was like the lost treasure of Blackbeard or something.”

On Tuesday, Corgan’s fortunes changed. A friend of his contacted him with a picture of a guitar that looked like the stolen instrument. But he was still incredulous because he’d been tricked before. “Somebody sent me a picture a couple of weeks ago of another one of my guitars, and I wrote the guy back and said, ‘How did you get my guitar?’” he says. “And he wrote back, ‘Oh, it’s a recreation.’ He’d literally gotten the same stickers, worn them down in the same way and scraped the paint so it looked worn. You could have fooled me.” So he decided to check it out in person. Sure enough, it was the early Seventies Fender Stratocaster that he had been looking for for more than 25 years.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:28:24pm

re: #247 piratedan

all you gotta do to see the bias in the system is to see how Steve King still sits in his seat, w/o sanction from the House Republicans or the Iowa GOP and the amount of media attention focused on him and his statements and actions over the last 5 years versus what is taking place in Va over events that transpired decades ago. I don’t want to say that what is happening isn’t newsworthy and doesn’t merit attention or even action/apology/resignation but in perspective, we have a virtual Nazi serving in one of the highest elected offices in the land, unapologetically and his party essentially refuses to do anything about it. Whereas in Va, we have calls for resignation, apologies and a pattern of revelation that follows a pattern of similar GOP ratfucking efforts.

The tell is the media, does the media stay on this like they did with Clinton e-mails or do the current events of the day, relegate this to something troubling but will be addressed by those most effected by it, namely the residents of Virginia and the Democratic Party members of Virginia and the courts, should anything be filed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:28:39pm

re: #264 makeitstop

I know that Corgan has turned into kind of a whack job, but I’m a sucker for stories of musicians being reunited with stolen instruments - After 27 Years, Billy Corgan Finally Reunites With Stolen ‘Gish’ Guitar

It’s a shame he went full Alex Jones.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:29:28pm

The spin on the investigations keeps getting more frantic:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:29:41pm

moron found his phone

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retired cynic  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:30:16pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

It’s vaguely influenced by a really early case of good-guy blackface, the author of Black Like Me.

amazon.com

That book really made a difference to me. It was assigned reading in high school, and really got my attention.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:31:16pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron found his phone

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Your speech was panned by Santorum.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:32:26pm

re: #269 retired cynic

That book really made a difference to me. It was assigned reading in high school, and really got my attention.

Richard Wright’s Black Boy for me. Did a report on it and him later in college. Appreciate so much that my 10th grade English teacher had us read the first half.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:33:47pm
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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:33:55pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fucking details, Donnie:

But as CNN notes, Trump’s high approval ratings for his 2019 speech are due at least in part to the partisan nature of the audience. In fact, the speech had the “largest partisan tilt measured in any CNN instant poll following a presidential address to Congress back to 2001,” journalist Jennifer Agiesta wrote. People who watched this year’s State of the Union were 17 points likelier than the general public to identify as Republicans, and Republicans, of course, liked what Trump had to say.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:34:19pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

You cannot condemn liberals for being proponents of diversity and then liken them to the KKK.

why not?

it’s the spaghetti approach
the first part sticks to some people, the second to others

it doesnt have to have internal consistency or make any overall cohesive sense

pointing out hypocrisy hasn’t worked for us. it wont change minds and ‘they’ dont care because they are numb/immune(?) to it. it’s a feature of some kind i’d guess.

they just keep throwing stuff till something/anything sticks
look how far back they have to go and how deep they have to dig, and to get what, really?

then we rend our garments.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:34:43pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Probably doing his daily trip up Trump’s asshole telling Trump he’s better than Lincoln, Jesus, & Washington combined.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:36:48pm

re: #239 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

-a whole host of ‘regular’ folks talked about the debt and deficit and ‘our grandchildren’
- many were interviewed on tv

how’d that work out these last two years?
or dont your grandchildren matter any more?

“Sorry, no, we care about our grandchildren, which is why we need to get rid of the estate tax… but your grandchildren? They can just work for ours when the time comes?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:36:54pm

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:37:13pm

At this point, Trump could recite the Communist Manifesto word for word and his base would praise it.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:39:01pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

They do this shit all the goddamn time. Meanwhile Coulter literally believes only people with all four grandparents born in the US can vote which means I’m the only one in my family that can vote even though I have roots going back to a Washington’s presidency.

no she doesnt. she says it. she doesnt believe it
she’s a shock jock. and not a very good one.

this is something else we do that maybe we should stop
(either im on a roll or im pissing everyone off today)

for the most part i dont think most of them believe the stuff they spout
they arent really idiots
they do it for effect, or to score points politically or in the media
there are a few really dumb and/or true believers
the rest of them just say nasty, annoying, provocative stuff, yes, that they want their rubes to believe.

whether they themselves ‘believe’ stuff or not i think is besides the point

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:39:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:39:20pm

re: #274 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

why not?

it’s the spaghetti approach
the first part sticks to some people, the second to others

it doesnt have to have internal consistency or make any overall cohesive sense

pointing out hypocrisy hasn’t worked for us. it wont change minds and ‘they’ dont care because they are numb/immune(?) to it. it’s a feature of some kind i’d guess.

they just keep throwing stuff till something/anything sticks
look how far back they have to go and how deep they have to dig, and to get what, really?

then we rend our garments.

Ha true.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:39:36pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

At this point, Trump could recite the Communist Manifesto word for word and his base would praise it.

Someone mentioned it on MSNBC last night in either the pre-game or post-game coverage (I was driving so I don’t know who said it) but they made the point that the GOP base listens to Trump and if he turned on Coulter/Limbaugh, the base would turn on them too. But he’s not even strong enough to do that at this point.

As (I think) Nicole Wallace said, he might as well have been giving the SOTU from his knees, he’s so weak right now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:39:54pm

re: #279 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

no she doesnt. she says it. she doesnt believe it
she’s a shock jock. and not a very good one.

this is something else we do that maybe we should stop
(either im on a roll or im pissing everyone off today)

for the most part i dont think most of them believe the stuff they spout
they arent really idiots
they do it for effect, or to score points politically or in the media
there are a few really dumb and/or true believers
the rest of them just say nasty, annoying, provocative stuff, yes, that they want their rubes to believe.

whether they themselves ‘believe’ stuff or not i think is besides the point

I take her at her word :) but fair enough and you’re not pissing me off.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:41:09pm

re: #282 KGxvi

Someone mentioned it on MSNBC last night in either the pre-game or post-game coverage (I was driving so I don’t know who said it) but they made the point that the GOP base listens to Trump and if he turned on Coulter/Limbaugh, the base would turn on them too. But he’s not even strong enough to do that at this point.

As (I think) Nicole Wallace said, he might as well have been giving the SOTU from his knees, he’s so weak right now.

He kind of did turn on Coulter recently though when she bashed him. And you sort of saw that with Bill Mitchell saying Coulter was a Democrat which made me LOL since Coulter was doing her shit long before Bill Mitchell wanted to be Trump’s biggest ass kisser not named Hannity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:41:52pm

re: #280 jaunte

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I actually have some of my parents yearbooks. No signs of that thankfully.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:42:57pm

little known factoid:

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:43:23pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

It’s a shame he went full Alex Jones.

Yeah, it is. But I can relate on the level that I’ve had guitars stolen in the past, and I’d love to have a couple of them back.

I’m happy for Corgan, just like I was with Peter Frampton when he got his Les Paul back after 31 years. It’s a feel-good story, with guitars. :)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:43:25pm

re: #230 Belafon

The funny thing is, we’re playing by new rules. Would the Democratic party have cared about blackface 20 years ago?

In a photo with a guy in a Klan outfit? Yes, I think so.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:43:33pm

re: #273 KGxvi

Fucking details, Donnie:

im fine with this as long as the number of republicans represented by that “Republicans 97%” line keeps getting smaller and smaller

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:43:45pm

Because all crime & treason is OK as long as you wear an American Flag pin

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:44:45pm

re: #289 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

im fine with this as long as the number of republicans represented by that “Republicans 97%” line keeps getting smaller and smaller

In this particular poll they made up over 40% of the respondents… which skews the overall results.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:45:16pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I actually have some of my parents yearbooks. No signs of that thankfully.

Makes me glad I graduated from a majority-minority HS; lots of stupid, juvenile stuff went on that was of its time (1989-1993), but if anyone did the shit that Northam did and people at school found out, there would’ve been a fucking beatdown coming down.

/don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:45:56pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

I was told that when fascism came to America it would be carrying a cross and wrapped in a flag, not that it’d have a bad hair cut and worse spray tan.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:46:04pm

re: #276 KGxvi

“Sorry, no, we care about our grandchildren, which is why we need to get rid of the estate tax… but your grandchildren? They can just work for ours when the time comes?”

your guy just ballooned the deficit
your grandkids are toast
repealing the estate tax wont save ‘em
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:46:40pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

nobody cares, junior, except weak people like you and yours

I noticed that your cougar girlfriend was wearing white last night…she wasn’t wearing a flag pin either

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:46:41pm

re: #294 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Never said they were much for forward thinking.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:47:35pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

My yearbook has a picture of a guy a group of us invented a whole persona for. We had him enrolled in the school database, an academic record, a class ring order, graduation invitations order, his name on the list of graduates. But no blackface.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:48:21pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Because all crime & treason is OK as long as you wear an American Flag pin

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Flag pins aren’t patriotism you twit. Patriotism is about actions not symbolism. You don’t know the first thing about patriotism because no one in your family has ever served this country in any way.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:48:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:49:03pm

re: #297 jaunte

My yearbook has a picture of a guy a group of us invented a whole persona for. We had him enrolled in the school database, an academic record, a class ring order, graduation invitations order, his name on the list of graduates. But no blackface.

I didn’t get pictured for my college yearbook but my high school has me with the Young Dems, Freedom to Read(anti censorship group).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:49:14pm

I just skimmed through some photos of last night…not a single one of the trump spawn and spouses in attendance were wearing a flag pin

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:49:22pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

nobody cares, junior, except weak people like you and yours

I noticed that your cougar girlfriend was wearing white last night…she wasn’t wearing a flag pin either

Speaking of wearing white: is Tiffany doing so proof that she’s #thegoodTrump, or just coincidence? I’m unfortunately leaning toward the latter, because if you recall, even her mother tried to prep for the inaguration by getting gratis work from salons and “paying in exposure”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:49:30pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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It’s also a poll. We’ll see how he feels about polls when the actual ones show that he’s as popular as clown shit.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:49:58pm

re: #297 jaunte

My yearbook has a picture of a guy a group of us invented a whole persona for. We had him enrolled in the school database, an academic record, a class ring order, graduation invitations order, his name on the list of graduates. But no blackface.

Was his name Tuttle and did he go into the Army?

///

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:50:12pm

“Among people who like this sort of thing, many liked it.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:50:12pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus

while i dont doubt any of this, it still is at odds with two other points because for this to work he had to win.

- he didnt think he was gonna win (as most of us didnt)
- he didnt want to win (so it’s been said)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:50:33pm

re: #302 Chrysicat

Speaking of wearing white: is Tiffany doing so proof that she’s #thegoodTrump, or just coincidence? I’m unfortunately leaning toward the latter, because if you recall, even her mother tried to prep for the inaguration by getting gratis work from salons and “paying in exposure”.

I think Tiffany wearing white was deliberate on her part

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:50:38pm

re: #237 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ride. it. out.

This is a serious problem for Fairfax.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:51:10pm

re: #304 TedStriker

Ours was named Leon Topar. (1971)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:51:43pm

re: #302 Chrysicat

Speaking of wearing white: is Tiffany doing so proof that she’s #thegoodTrump, or just coincidence? I’m unfortunately leaning toward the latter, because if you recall, even her mother tried to prep for the inaguration by getting gratis work from salons and “paying in exposure”.

I’m giving Tiff and Barron a pass until they run their mouths and I feel bad for Tiffany knowing what her half sister tried to do. The pecking order for me from worst to best Trump kid is

Ivanka—-Don Jr—-Eric—-Tiffany—-Barron

Barron may actually be somewhat intelligent too. I can’t imagine the three kids of Ivanna having the intellectual curiously to learn their mother’s Czech while Barron has learned some Slovene which as a fellow Slovene-American gets some props from m since I tried learning when I was a little older than he was and I was awful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:52:01pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:52:13pm

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is a serious problem for Fairfax.

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Yep. If we found it unacceptable in Kavanaugh, we have to find it unacceptable in Fairfax. The testimony from his accuser seems pretty damning too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:52:20pm

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is a serious problem for Fairfax.

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Yes, it is even if the allegation isn’t true. I get that if he’s innocent he’s upset but goddamn it dude.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:52:56pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Correction Chris, the executive branch is. The legislative branch has a lot of great leaders.

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retired cynic  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:53:53pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

I know. Anyhow, I think for those the team name and logo matter. The Cleveland Indians name doesn’t bother me so much as the Chief Wahoo which they thankfully did get rid of.

I went to the University of Illinois, and our sports name was the Illini, after the Illini tribe, as the state was named, also. We had Chief Illiniwek, who was not a mascot, in that he was not a cartoon character, did not lead cheers or run around yelling at games, or even speak at all. There was a dance he performed which was as authentic as they could do; each performer researched it, and added features. His costume was as authentic as they could get it, made by some Native Americans. We were so proud of him as a symbol of our state and our school. Then one woman, who claimed to be Native American (and maybe she was) went on a multi-year campaign to get rid of him, since she claimed he was offensive to her. And maybe he was.

There were many schools with offensive mascots, but she kept pushing on the NCAA to ban this particular one. There must have been some serious money behind the effort, as she was not anyone in particular. And the NCAA banned Chief Illiniwek, but saw no problem with any of the others at that time.

The U of I still has no mascot, and now no symbol. Perhaps I lacked sensitivity, but no matter how I have tried over the years to see that symbol as a negative thing, I just haven’t been able to get there.

So that is my confession!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:54:08pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Because all crime & treason is OK as long as you wear an American Flag pin

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see - this kind of thing is asinine
(no, not you posting it here VB)

you cant even see all the people in the picture.
so the GLARING HEADLINE is meaningless twaddle

it’s a lie. meant to provoke. not to be somehow factual or ‘true’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:54:20pm

re: #312 Chrysicat

Yep. If we found it unacceptable in Kavanaugh, we have to find it unacceptable in Fairfax. The testimony from his accuser seems pretty damning too.

I’m curious about what made the Post think it was conflicting. However, I cannot defend this reaction and I can/will not attack Professor Tyson for bringing it up in 2017 because I understood completely why Dr. Ford was reluctant to talk about it for a long time too. I really hope it’s not true and I also hope he didn’t say this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:54:27pm

take 2 minutes to listen:

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:54:54pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

The cross tabs from that poll make it worthless:

Very Liberal 10
Liberal 12
Moderate 22
Conservative 27
Very Conservative 27

That’s nowhere near the current ideological make up of the US.

Male 57
Female 43

That’s also a bit… off

18-29 14
30-44 23
45-64 35
65+ 28

That also seems… not quite right.

His audience was basically his base and a few people not in his base that are political junkies (like most of us).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:55:20pm

re: #316 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

see - this kind of thing is asinine
(no, not you posting it here VB)

you cant even see all the people in the picture.
so the GLARING HEADLINE is meaningless twaddle

it’s a lie. meant to provoke. not to be somehow factual or ‘true’

It’s something that Donald Trump, Jr would do. I only have Ivanka as more despicable than him since she has a little smarts and she’s her father’s favorite.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:55:26pm
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LadyBehir  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:55:45pm

Illinois: our politics are crazy, who’s indicted now?
New Jersey: lololol oh yeah hold my beer
Virginia: LEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOY JENKINS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:55:51pm

re: #319 KGxvi

The cross tabs from that poll make it worthless:

That’s nowhere near the current ideological make up of the US.

That’s also a bit… off

That also seems… not quite right.

His audience was basically his base and a few people not in his base that are political junkies (like most of us).

Yep.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:56:09pm

re: #296 KGxvi

Never said they were much for forward thinking.

if they were they’d ignore the estate tax and create an insurance trust to ‘save the family farm from having to be sold’

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:56:59pm

re: #297 jaunte

My yearbook has a picture of a guy a group of us invented a whole persona for. We had him enrolled in the school database, an academic record, a class ring order, graduation invitations order, his name on the list of graduates. But no blackface.

was his name Tuttle?

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:57:33pm

re: #325 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

He was a predecessor.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:58:25pm

re: #304 TedStriker

Was his name Tuttle and did he go into the Army?

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damn you

re: #325 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:58:27pm

Makes me wonder how widespread a prank imaginary friends with full paperwork have been.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:58:54pm

re: #327 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

damn you

Teehee…

(BTW, that M*A*S*H episode is the only one in its eleven-year run where Sparky is actually on-screen, instead of just being on the other end of the phone/referred to by Radar, Klinger, or one of the other characters)

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:00:32pm

Sloppiest White House ever.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:02:08pm

re: #330 jaunte

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Sloppiest White House ever.

Tucson isn’t on the border. And the fucking yam said that El Paso was crime infested last night. These guys can’t get their fucking message straight.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:03:34pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

The message has always been Scary Brown People.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:03:44pm

re: #329 TedStriker

Teehee…

(BTW, that M*A*S*H episode is the only one in its eleven-year run where Sparky is actually on-screen)

i knew that

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:04:55pm

re: #332 jaunte

The message has always been Scary Brown People.

And it works. I just hope it won’t work enough.

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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:06:33pm

re: #3 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speaking of blackface, a take I have which may not be popular is that its problematic that Warren listed herself as “American Indian” on her Bar registration card in 1986, in that I suspect Native Americans will find her attempt to claim that identity for herself to be offensive.

I talked about this yesterday. My late father was born in Oklahoma, and if Warren’s family was like my extended family, everyone in that generation thought we had Native American ancestry. *Everyone.* I don’t know how many times I heard it. That generation is now dead. This generation has gotten genealogy testing and learned that we’re white. In my case, 63 percent British/Scots/Irish and 36% French/German.

I don’t remember doing anything legal-wise with that information. When I applied to law school (scant months before Warren filled out that Bar card), I did mention I was the first person in my extended family to get a college degree and that my parents only had high school diplomas. But otherwise, I probably looked like a child of a newly middle class family to the university, which was true.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:06:41pm

So I didn’t know this but an African-American by name of Otis Boykin invented the pacemaker. I have a defoliator due to my heart condition. This is why you need things like black history month because too many damn white people are convinced that “you owe everything in life to white people.” So props to Otis and thank you.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:07:06pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Because all crime & treason is OK as long as you wear an American Flag pin

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:09:03pm

re: #337 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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You can’t even see all of their lapels. And come to think of it Jr, I’ve never seen you with an American lapel pin. And once again patriotism isn’t about symbols. It’s about actions. What have you done to serve your country? You only act like a comically bad lackey for your villainous father. You don’t care about this country. You care about power for you and your crooked crime family.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:09:05pm

re: #329 TedStriker

Teehee…

(BTW, that M*A*S*H episode is the only one in its eleven-year run where Sparky is actually on-screen)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:09:18pm

re: #302 Chrysicat

Speaking of wearing white: is Tiffany doing so proof that she’s #thegoodTrump, or just coincidence? I’m unfortunately leaning toward the latter, because if you recall, even her mother tried to prep for the inaguration by getting gratis work from salons and “paying in exposure”.

She won my heart when she dodged the Donald’s kiss after one of the debates.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:10:32pm

re: #340 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She won my heart when she dodged the Donald’s kiss after one of the debates.

I think she more than all of the kids knows what he really is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:12:50pm

re: #308 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is a serious problem for Fairfax.

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Yeah, he’s toast.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:16:24pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Richard Wright’s Black Boy for me. Did a report on it and him later in college. Appreciate so much that my 10th grade English teacher had us read the first half.

Did you read his Native Son book?

We read that one in Freshman year American literature class.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:17:28pm

re: #343 ObserverArt

Did you read his Native Son book?

We read that one in Freshman year American literature class.

Still need to but we did read part of his good buddy Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:20:27pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:23:08pm

re: #322 LadyBehir

Upding for the WoW hat tip.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:26:30pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Because all crime & treason is OK as long as you wear an American Flag pin

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When symbols are more important than the concepts and rights behind them you are a fascist.

I so hope something happens to shut fucking Donny Jr. up. So sick of his me-too punk-ass shtick.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:28:07pm

re: #347 ObserverArt

When symbols are more important than the concepts and rights behind them you are a fascist.

I so hope something happens to shut fucking Donny Jr. up. So sick of his me-too punk-ass shtick.

He’s like a movie bad guy’s lackey. I’d love to see him facing Mueller.

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wrenchwench  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:29:29pm

My governor’s response speech:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:30:06pm

re: #342 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, he’s toast.

But if He was Republican, no problem.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:30:33pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Odds that Trump vetoes it out of spite? Like, 6:1?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:31:28pm

re: #350 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But if He was Republican, no problem.

If he were a Republican, he’d be a hero. I’m not sure if he’s guilty or not of the accusation but this response isn’t going to help him in the court of public opinion.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:31:51pm

re: #347 ObserverArt

The flag pin thing has bugged the living crap out of me since it started. It has progressed down to food chain to the point where even center directors in various agencies are wearing the fucking things. As you note, it’s meaningless flair to present a facade. I’m not sure if my office director has put one on when he goes to center manglement or higher meetings…

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:32:54pm

re: #349 wrenchwench

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:33:53pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Smith and any other Black of African-American lizards, I’m definitely interested in your opinions here since you guys would have been aware of this in that era early 80’s era that both Northam and Herring were doing this in. My observation is that there was a lot more casual racism that was socially acceptable in those days versus today and that’s something I am glad is changing but we still need to work on it.

Happy, I’ll be 40 this year- so I don’t have a true adult understanding of this point in time(early 80’s). I am consciously aware of what blackface was because there were some cartoons that were shown(Think Merry Melodies or Silly Symphonies) that would have the “Mr. Bojangles” and Cab Calloway caricatures in blackface. I knew enough, and was told enough by other adults that this wasn’t something that was okay.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:35:17pm

re: #355 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Happy, I’ll be 40 this year- so I don’t have a true adult understanding of this point in time(early 80’s). I am consciously aware of what blackface was because there were some cartoons that were shown(Think Merry Melodies or Silly Symphonies) that would have the “Mr. Bojangles” and Cab Calloway caricatures in blackface. I knew enough, and was told enough by other adults that this wasn’t something that was okay.

Thank you. Appreciate your perspective on this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:35:25pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

If he were a Republican, he’d be a hero. I’m not sure if he’s guilty or not of the accusation but this response isn’t going to help him in the court of public opinion.

No and sadly, neither is his skin color.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:35:32pm

re: #354 KGxvi

Problem with that tweet is that the orange shit-goblin isn’t competent enough to draw that line on a map. The words are believable, though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:36:04pm

re: #353 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The flag pin thing has bugged the living crap out of me since it started. It has progressed down to food chain to the point where even center directors in various agencies are wearing the fucking things. As you note, it’s meaningless flair to present a facade. I’m not sure if my office director has put one on when he goes to center manglement or higher meetings…

It’s crap. Patriotism as symbol and not actions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:36:37pm

re: #353 Colère Tueur de Lapin

If I were a Democrat in congress I might have been tempted to wear a flag pin…with the flag upside down.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:38:53pm

re: #358 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Problem with that tweet is that the orange shit-goblin isn’t competent enough to draw that line on a map. The words are believable, though.

It’s an old meme, I was debating between that one and “whoa… there’s a New Mexico?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:40:41pm

re: #361 KGxvi

It’s an old meme, I was debating between that one and “whoa… there’s a New Mexico?”

One of the best Burns lines, Maestro.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:41:36pm

re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg

If I were a Democrat in congress I might have been tempted to wear a flag pin…with the flag upside down.

Sentiment wise, I agree. The right whingers would distort the distress sign to say that it was disrespectful, fox notnewz would pick it up, and it’s all downhill from there.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:43:01pm

re: #88 BlueGrl21

My aunt researched our history and found all kinds of miscreants. One great-great grandfather was an abortionist who carried a fake “Harvard Medical School” gold-tipped walking stick. My dad still has it.

People don’t leave security, wealth, and stability to immigrate.

My mom used to tell me that our ancestors were horse thieves who were kicked out of every decent country in Europe.

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:45:41pm

re: #353 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The flag pin thing has bugged the living crap out of me since it started. It has progressed down to food chain to the point where even center directors in various agencies are wearing the fucking things. As you note, it’s meaningless flair to present a facade. I’m not sure if my office director has put one on when he goes to center manglement or higher meetings…

That may be one of the best typos for ‘management’ I’ve ever seen. If it’s intentional, I’d like to subscribe to your journal.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:45:42pm

re: #364 Teddy’s Person

My mom used to tell me that our ancestors were horse thieves who were kicked out of every decent country in Europe.

Your ancestors were good people.

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jamesfirecat  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:45:59pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

One of the best Burns lines, Maestro.

Homer said it not Burns.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:46:13pm

re: #365 EPR-radar

That may be one of the best typos for ‘management’ I’ve ever seen. If it’s intentional, I’d like to subscribe to your journal.

Far better than Scott Adams.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:47:01pm

re: #367 jamesfirecat

Homer said it not Burns.

Actually they both did:

There’s a New Mexico?

There’s a new Mexico

But Burns was first

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jamesfirecat  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:47:51pm

re: #369 KGxvi

Actually they both did:

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But Burns was first

You are correct, sorry for some reason the Homer line stood out for me more… going to go do some Simpsons trivia digging find out what episodes it was said in and figure out why.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:49:08pm

re: #370 jamesfirecat

You are correct, sorry for some reason the Homer line stood out for me more… going to go do some Simpsons trivia digging find out what episodes it was said in and figure out why.

I’d actually forgot about the Homer line. Then I went to get the Burns clip and saw the Homer one.

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jamesfirecat  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:50:46pm

re: #371 KGxvi

I’d actually forgot about the Homer line. Then I went to get the Burns clip and saw the Homer one.

Also I just double checked, Burn’s line is in season 12 Homer Versus Dignity, while Homer’s is from season 5 Boy-Scoutz N The Hood, so Homer said the line SEVEN seasons before Mr. Burns did.

There’s a new Mexico

Check and mate good sir!

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:53:54pm

Since someone posted the new Pet Shop Boys tune today, I thought I’d mention that Front Line Assembly has done a cover of Falco’s ‘Rock Me Amadeus.’

I’m still partial to that epic remix that the man himself did…

Youtube Video

Falco was a freakin’ genius. Fight me.

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:54:09pm

re: #372 jamesfirecat

Also I just double checked, Burn’s line is in season 12 Homer Versus Dignity, while Homer’s is from season 5 Boy-Scoutz N The Hood, so Homer said the line SEVEN seasons before Mr. Burns did.

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Check and mate good sir!

Sideshow bob stepping on rakes

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:54:34pm

Myself, 1970. Not a flag button in sight. Do have some “U.S.” brass buttons; very similar to William T. Sherman’s for example.

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jamesfirecat  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:55:16pm

re: #374 KGxvi

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The Simpsons- S-M-R-T

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:56:46pm

re: #372 jamesfirecat

Also I just double checked, Burn’s line is in season 12 Homer Versus Dignity, while Homer’s is from season 5 Boy-Scoutz N The Hood, so Homer said the line SEVEN seasons before Mr. Burns did.

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Check and mate good sir!

Wow.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:58:33pm

re: #160 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She listed herself as “American Indian” in her Texas Bar Association registration form in 1986. I don’t even know how they found such an obscure document.

Charlie Kirk and that Wohl kid have to do something for their paychecks.

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jamesfirecat  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:59:54pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

Wow.

Hey, what can I say, Simpsons Trivia is something where if someone is wrong on the internet you can prove that particular fact beyond a shadow of a doubt answer for rather than just arguing in circles.

Unless of course the question is when the show went downhill… (runs for the exit)

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:01:48pm

From the comments of a ‘fuck Brexit’ thread that was RT’d by one of my newest followers:

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:01:55pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:03:44pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:04:42pm
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:05:57pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

It’s such a frustrating thing since every Dem in the legislature is up and everyone of them is tied to these three guys.

Yes, they are Democrats, but the Democrats are currently more tied to principle than any candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:07:49pm

re: #384 Belafon

Yes, they are Democrats, but the Democrats are currently more tied to principle than any candidate.

Very true.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:08:52pm

The last couple of days have been exhausted. So we’re pretty much guaranteed to lose Virginia right as redistricting is looming, another state we really can’t afford to lose and yet…we probably should, if the top 3 dems in the State are in this mess like this?

But again, the fact that this is happening while the GOP continues to skate by on their even worse sins especially when the Media magnifies our sins if/when they exist, and utterly ignores the GOPs or passes them off as ‘boys will be boys’….

I really don’t know what to do. I get the idea that we need some moral highground to actually fight racism and all this shit…but it feels like all the high ground we claim amounts to shit when the GOP literally lives with no consequences for anything, even open outright racism and hate.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:09:52pm

re: #248 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

maybe this is semantics and nuanced

yes, we are somewhat introspective. our standards have evolved and continue to. (that’s progressive, isn’t it)

on the level of political tactics we treat ourselves and the r’s differently than they treat us and themselves. two rule books

I agree, we are playing by different rules. And I personally think that we need to look at some of our rules and procedures and take a bit more reality into account. We’re quick to drop someone when we need to maybe give these announcements a 24 or 48 hour space before we start demanding resignations.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:09:52pm

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

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I swear, I’m getting close to the point where I do start disassociating from the country’s symbols, because these lackwits aren’t replacing them, and that just means when they invariably get into a war that ends with the country externally-liberated, they’ll all have to be abandoned and replaced then, as they’ll have the same connotations as the swastikas whether German or Southern. So I don’t blame other Dems for not wearing a symbol that’s soon to go toxic.

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A Cranky One  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:13:09pm

re: #328 jaunte

Makes me wonder how widespread a prank imaginary friends with full paperwork have been.

At a previous job, our group had a stuffed animal (a fox) that we treated as a mascot. We received notice that all ID badges were being replaced for security reasons. Since one of the groups SO was in charge of making the new badges, we were able to get an official badge with the fox’s picture and name, which we attached to the stuffed fox (and yes, we could have gotten into trouble).

A member of another group was complaining about the security folks, claiming they didn’t pay attention to the badges and so he felt the re-badging was stupid. To prove his point, he decided to walk into the building wearing the fox’s badge instead of his own, to demonstrate that no one pays attention.

Being evil and all, we tipped off the security folks at the entrance. When we walked in, they stopped him, looked carefully at the badge picture and at him and back at the badge. And then let him in the building.

We called him Foxy after that. He never lived it down.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:14:09pm

re: #389 A Cranky One

That’s awesome.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:14:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:15:33pm

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

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Welp here we go.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:16:18pm

MICHAEL TWITTY WINS THE INTERNET

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:16:30pm

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

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…yeah, not a good look.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:17:03pm

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Birds of a feather, etc., etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:17:22pm

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

MICHAEL TWITTY WINS THE INTERNET

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Bill, do you deny you’re a pedocrast?

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KGxvi  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:17:25pm

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

His accuser hired the same firm that Dr. Ford hired for the Kavanaugh case. I suspect those are firms that are quite well versed in these types of matters.

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Welp here we go.

If neither Northam nor Fairfax resign, what’s the process to remove them? Can the GOP in the legislature do it on their own, or do they need Democratic votes?

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:17:27pm

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

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His accuser hired Blasey Ford’s lawyers. Symmetry.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:18:42pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

take 2 minutes to listen:

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Thank you for posting that. Powerful stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:18:44pm

re: #397 KGxvi

His accuser hired the same firm that Dr. Ford hired for the Kavanaugh case. I suspect those are firms that are quite well versed in these types of matters.

If neither Northam nor Fairfax resign, what’s the process to remove them? Can the GOP in the legislature do it on their own, or do they need Democratic votes?

I’m not sure. I’ve never looked at this. This is a mess. If we end up with a GOP Governor because of it, im going to be pissed. The people didn’t want this.

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:19:11pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:19:26pm

re: #365 EPR-radar

That may be one of the best typos for ‘management’ I’ve ever seen. If it’s intentional, I’d like to subscribe to your journal.

It is not a typo. I’ve even slipped that one past my manglement when sending out emails. That, or they have a sense of humor…

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:19:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:19:58pm

This is all really bad for the state all and all.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:20:25pm

re: #400 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure. I’ve never looked at this. This is a mess. If we end up with a GOP Governor because of it, im going to be pissed. The people didn’t want this.

Unless something newly horrible comes out, I’m going to come right out and say Herring definitely should NOT resign - unlike Northam, he made a full apology and took responsibility. I completely understand why POC state reps are upset, but do they *really* want a GOPer instead?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:21:00pm

re: #405 Interesting Times

Unless something newly horrible comes out, I’m going to come right out and say Herring definitely should NOT resign - unlike Northam, he made a full apology and took responsibility. I completely understand why POC state reps are upset, but do they *really* want a GOPer instead?

Yeah I don’t think Herring should resign.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:21:58pm

One thing is for goddamn sure. The state GOP needs to do some internal housekeeping itself.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:23:48pm

re: #402 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It is not a typo. I’ve even slipped that one past my manglement when sending out emails. That, or they have a sense of humor…

Manglement with a sense of humor? Can … can I come work for your people? My people kinda suck right now.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:24:00pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

One thing is for goddamn sure. The state GOP needs to do some internal housekeeping itself.

But that’s the thing: they don’t actually care about that kind of stuff unless it can be used to bludgeon the Dems. They’ll tolerate it within their own party, and the media will never punish them for it the way that they’ll punish the Dems for doing a fraction of the same.

They won’t ever do internal housekeeping because they can keep getting away with it and win.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:25:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:25:49pm

re: #409 Citizen K

But that’s the thing: they don’t actually care about that kind of stuff unless it can be used to bludgeon the Dems. They’ll tolerate it within their own party, and the media will never punish them for it the way that they’ll punish the Dems for doing a fraction of the same.

They won’t ever do internal housekeeping because they can keep getting away with it and win.

That’s why we need to stay true to ourselves.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:26:02pm

re: #410 Charles Johnson

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He never was.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:27:21pm

re: #410 Charles Johnson

Methinks Bill M. has been hitting the sauce a little bit early tonight. Probably wants to forget the tangerine wankmaggot’s idiotic speech as much as we do.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:27:55pm

re: #387 Belafon

I agree, we are playing by different rules. And I personally think that we need to look at some of our rules and procedures and take a bit more reality into account. We’re quick to drop someone when we need to maybe give these announcements a 24 or 48 hour space before we start demanding resignations.

Let me be perfectly Franken about that…

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EPR-radar  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:28:06pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

One thing is for goddamn sure. The state GOP needs to do some internal housekeeping itself.

The biggest problem in this whole mess is that swing voters are experts at finding excuses to vote Republican. E.g., this mess in VA will make them skittish about Democrats for a while, but the fact that the GOP has been the party of racism longer than most voters have been alive never registers. At all.

I’m beginning to think it’s necessary to have some kind of nation-wide remedial education program on what and who is racist, using Trump as the main case study. But everyone outside of team D will instantly reject any such attempt.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:29:23pm

re: #398 makeitstop

His accuser hired Blasey Ford’s lawyers. Symmetry.

Yes. As soon as I saw this letterhead:

…I knew it was over. That firm turned down Avenatti’s client due to credibility issues, so if they’ve taken on Tyson’s case, they must have vetted it. Also, it’s not like she just came up with the accusation now - she first made it back in 2017. So unless someone turns up evidence she’s been paid off by a GOPer ratfucker, I see no reason to doubt her story :/ Same as Dr Blasey Ford - what on earth does she have to gain by lying?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:29:32pm

re: #415 EPR-radar

The biggest problem in this whole mess is that swing voters are experts at finding excuses to vote Republican. E.g., this mess in VA will make them skittish about Democrats for a while, but the fact that the GOP has been the party of racism longer than most voters have been alive never registers. At all.

I’m beginning to think it’s necessary to have some kind of nation-wide remedial education program on what and who is racist, using Trump as the main case study. But everyone outside of team D will instantly reject any such attempt.

Yeah I’m afraid this is going to make swing voters give the GOP another chance that they don’t deserve.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:29:47pm

re: #411 HappyWarrior

That’s why we need to stay true to ourselves.

Yeah, but staying true to ourselves has usually meant getting kicked in the junk by the electorate who will fall in love with a charismatic liar than anyone genuinely repentant.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:29:49pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Because all crime & treason is OK as long as you wear an American Flag pin

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:30:16pm

re: #415 EPR-radar

The biggest problem in this whole mess is that swing voters are experts at finding excuses to vote Republican. E.g., this mess in VA will make them skittish about Democrats for a while, but the fact that the GOP has been the party of racism longer than most voters have been alive never registers. At all.

I’m beginning to think it’s necessary to have some kind of nation-wide remedial education program on what and who is racist, using Trump as the main case study. But everyone outside of team D will instantly reject any such attempt.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:30:45pm

re: #416 Interesting Times

Yes. As soon as I saw this letterhead:

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…I knew it was over. That firm turned down Avenatti’s client due to credibility issues, so if they’ve taken on Tyson’s case, they must have vetted it. Also, it’s not like she just came up with the accusation now - she first made it back in 2017. So unless someone turns up evidence she’s been paid off by a GOPer ratfucker, I see no reason to doubt her story :/ Same as Dr Blasey Ford - what on earth does she have to gain by lying?

I’m going to give her the same I gave Dr. Ford. I can’t be partisan about this.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:30:59pm

This put a smile on my face.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:31:09pm

re: #418 Citizen K

Yeah, but staying true to ourselves has usually meant getting kicked in the junk by the electorate who will fall in love with a charismatic liar than anyone genuinely repentant.

Honestly, this is kinda where I’m at right now. My day today was miserable in large part thanks to the fact that spineless management basically let a bunch of guys get away with shoddy and unethical practices because it produced results. It’s like, what motivation is there to play fair if life rewards those who don’t?

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retired cynic  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:31:51pm

I just watched this simple solution to test alkaline batteries for charge. Is it correct?

How To Test a AA battery, Easiest Way For Any Battery Fast, Easy!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:32:53pm

re: #416 Interesting Times

Yes. As soon as I saw this letterhead:

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…I knew it was over. That firm turned down Avenatti’s client due to credibility issues, so if they’ve taken on Tyson’s case, they must have vetted it. Also, it’s not like she just came up with the accusation now - she first made it back in 2017. So unless someone turns up evidence she’s been paid off by a GOPer ratfucker, I see no reason to doubt her story :/ Same as Dr Blasey Ford - what on earth does she have to gain by lying?

Looks real, real bad.

Also interesting…the GOP seems real skittish about touching this.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:32:56pm
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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:32:57pm

re: #423 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, this is kinda where I’m at right now. My day today was miserable in large part thanks to the fact that spineless management basically let a bunch of guys get away with shoddy and unethical practices because it was easier. It’s like, what motivation is there to play fair if life rewards those who don’t?

Like, it’s cynical as fuck, and I hate that it’s cynical as fuck, but it feels like the only thing that makes sense in an atmosphere that rewards cynicism and punishes good faith.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:35:35pm

re: #408 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Manglement with a sense of humor? Can … can I come work for your people? My people kinda suck right now.

We need people. Whether on not we’re hiring is a tad questionable. Higher degree/competence in chemistry, toxicology, or biologal science required….

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:36:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:38:04pm

re: #429 Scottish Dragon

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I see no reason not to believe her. A lot of people attacked Dr. Ford for accusing Kavanaugh as he was able to ascend to SCOTUS. I will NOT do the same to Professor Tyson because Fairfax might have become Va’s governor.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:38:37pm

re: #424 retired cynic

I just watched this simple solution to test alkaline batteries for charge. Is it correct?

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Video

Got 3 questionable AA on the glass-top desk in front of me, and too lazy to go to the garage for the meter. Will let you know.

Video’s test says they’re good, as they ought to be. Yay!!
So my wifi mouse is whacked. Boo!!

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:44:10pm

re: #422 Teddy’s Person

This put a smile on my face.

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Chances are very good that over half of that list committed perjury. If not all of them (Katie).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:48:28pm

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:52:53pm
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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:52:58pm

Erickson is Butina’s boy toy. He was one of the guys she befriended as an in to the GOP and NRA.

This indictment is separate from the ongoing Mueller investigation - and relates to fraud and money laundering in running assisted living homes in South Dakota (prosecution is in DSD). His crimes extend from 1996 to 2018. And the scam included claims that he was building homes in the Bakken oil field.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:53:26pm

re: #432 makeitstop

Chances are very good that over half of that list committed perjury. If not all of them (Katie).

I would love love to see Donnie Jr sweating possilby having to spend sometime in jail.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:54:08pm

re: #426 Charles Johnson

Funny thing is…there’s so many people selling the same derivative conspiracy material that the market demand for any one conspiracy is dampened.

I mean, you can watch evangelical types experiment with the formula, but to rev up a general “Satanic Panic” you’re now competing against a whole web of continuously-operating “panics.”

Marketplace of horrible stupid ideas at work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:54:16pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:55:18pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:57:02pm

re: #437 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Funny thing is…there’s so many people selling the same derivative conspiracy material that the market demand for any one conspiracy is dampened.

I mean, you can watch evangelical types experiment with the formula, but to rev up a general “Satanic Panic” you’re now competing against a whole web of continuously-operating “panics.”

Marketplace of horrible stupid ideas at work.

Unless you piggy-back them a la Q-Anon. Then it’s Illuminati pizza all the way down.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:57:02pm

re: #437 The Ghost of Quesos Past

I still feel there’s a massive tome to be written about the size of the industry that just peddles conservative folklore.

Perlstein’s “The Long Con” article gets the core concept right, but at this point the scale matters, as does the way that there’s an entire enclosed culture.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:57:58pm

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That man is what public service is all about.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:58:32pm

re: #439 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Pit Bull. This is the trailer for the new Stephen King flick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:59:18pm

re: #429 Scottish Dragon

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:00:27pm

heh

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:00:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:01:42pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The fucking responses prove that douchebags will stick up for douchebag behavior. I’m definitely inclined to believe her. That the Post refused to publish it really doesn’t mean that much to me right now since I have seen too many examples of men and women regardless of their ideology be willing to dismiss a valid sexual assault allegation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:02:08pm

re: #446 gocart mozart

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He talks tough but China is helping make his little brat, IVanka richer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:02:39pm

why hasn’t this turtle been hit with a huge smite?

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:03:52pm

re: #446 gocart mozart

These fuckers are itching for war and sending other people’s kids to fight for something.

They don’t have a clue what they’re doing, and it hasn’t stopped them from having oversized sway with Trump because Trump listens to people who tell him what he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:03:54pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

why hasn’t this turtle been hit with a huge smite?

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I really really hate that man. Perhaps more than Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:04:06pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who exactly is he talking to? If he’s talking to Republicans, he’s exactly right.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:04:15pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

why hasn’t this turtle been hit with a huge smite?

— as President Trump put it — “cooperation, compromise, and the common good.”

Clap, chlamydia, and the common cold.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:05:18pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:07:07pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Even before her full statement was released through her lawyers, there was something Fairfax said earlier that made my spidey sense twitch: “She seemed really interested in me.” Those are exactly the sort of words you’d expect to hear from, at best, clueless and narcissistic men who can’t read a woman’s actual cues for crap.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:07:11pm

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Epstein was the guy who liked underaged girls right and has a Trump connection? Man if that’s true and Trump was involved. I would love if that brought him down. Trump and his cult love calling their opponents pedophiles. It would be icing on the cake if Trump were both a treasonous pig and a pedo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:07:56pm

re: #455 Interesting Times

Even before her full statement was released through her lawyers, there was something Fairfax said earlier that made my spidey sense twitch: “She seemed really interested in me.” Those are exactly the sort of words you’d expect to hear from, at best, clueless and narcissistic men who can’t read a woman’s actual cues for crap.

Good eye. I think I’ve told you all about what happened with me but I’m going ot post this again in private tags.

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A Cranky One  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:08:19pm

re: #434 Chrysicat

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NO.

You’re condemning many whose motives you don’t know, generalizing the faults of some to all. Not appropriate to do this for any group, since it’s essentially bigotry.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:12:27pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m afraid this is going to make swing voters give the GOP another chance that they don’t deserve.

Keep pounding into their heads that the reason Dems get into trouble over this is that they CARE. Repugs have done this kind of thing, continue to do it, and no-one calls them on it. Bring concrete examples (what they say, what they do, when they fawn over Confederate history)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:13:02pm

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:13:35pm

re: #459 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Keep pounding into their heads that the reason Dems get into trouble over this is that they CARE. Repugs have done this kind of thing, continue to do it, and no-one calls them on it. Bring concrete examples (what they say, what they do, when they fawn over Confederate history)

I’m not giving up. But you are right.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:14:04pm

re: #451 HappyWarrior

I really really hate that man. Perhaps more than Trump.

McConnell is the most villainous senate leader since John Calhoun, and has very possibly done as much real damage.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:14:06pm

re: #424 retired cynic

I just watched this simple solution to test alkaline batteries for charge. Is it correct?

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I don’t think it would be very accurate, since each manufacturer has slightly different designs for their batteries. The demo would be more convincing if he’d used two Eveready or two Duracells. And used a servo to drop them simultaneously from rest.

I’m doubtful this “test” works, because the density of battery as it discharges can’t change substantially if at all. You’re not removing any material from the battery when you use it (electrons leave and enter), so the mass doesn’t change. The volume of the stuff inside might change, but not enough to change the dynamic behavior of the cell as it falls.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:14:40pm

re: #462 Scottish Dragon

McConnell is the most villainous senate leader since John Calhoun, and has very possibly done as much real damage.

Agreed. You said it the other night and I can’t argue.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:15:32pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

why hasn’t this turtle been hit with a huge smite?

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The fact that he hasn’t is proof at the very least that the God of the Christians takes no current interest in affairs in the US, assuming that He even has control over it. I’m increasingly wondering if “no other gods before me” means that they may still exist, just that Jews especially and prolly Christians infuriate Him if they worship them…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:15:41pm
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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:15:44pm

re: #459 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Keep pounding into their heads that the reason Dems get into trouble over this is that they CARE. Repugs have done this kind of thing, continue to do it, and no-one calls them on it. Bring concrete examples (what they say, what they do, when they fawn over Confederate history)

How often has this been tried, with the only takeaway that voters get is ‘both sides same thing’?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:15:59pm

re: #464 HappyWarrior

Agreed. You said it the other night and I can’t argue.

I didn’t remember if it was you or someone else, but I am convinced of that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:16:21pm

re: #466 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is how people know you’re a stupid person’s idea of an intellectual, Newt. Even Rick Santorum panned this speech.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:16:54pm

re: #447 HappyWarrior

The fucking responses prove that douchebags will stick up for douchebag behavior. I’m definitely inclined to believe her. That the Post refused to publish it really doesn’t mean that much to me right now since I have seen too many examples of men and women regardless of their ideology be willing to dismiss a valid sexual assault allegation.

If there’s nothing at all to corroborate her story (no-one saw anything, she never told anyone), then he, unfortunately, gets the benefit of the doubt. Even if I believe her.

(That’s the problem with a lot of assault allegations. Sucks, but there it is.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:17:28pm

re: #468 Scottish Dragon

I didn’t remember if it was you or someone else, but I am convinced of that.

Nah, wasn’t me. I’m not really too familiar with Calhoun outside his staunch defense of slavery as a “positive good” and Mrs. Calhoun being the original slut shamer in the Peggy Eaton Affair.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:18:22pm

re: #470 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

If there’s nothing at all to corroborate her story (no-one saw anything, she never told anyone), then he, unfortunately, gets the benefit of the doubt. Even if I believe her.

(That’s the problem with a lot of assault allegations. Sucks, but there it is.)

It is but I’m going to give her the same respect I gave Dr. Ford. She’s entitled to that as a matter of fairness. I won’t give Fairfax different standards because I voted/campaigned for him than Kavanaugh. I just can’t do that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:20:56pm

heh

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retired cynic  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:21:20pm

re: #463 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I just checked some Duracells, and they all fell over. They did make a nice thunk when they hit the table!

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A Cranky One  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:21:40pm

re: #463 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I don’t think it would be very accurate, since each manufacturer has slightly different designs for their batteries. The demo would be more convincing if he’d used two Eveready or two Duracells. And used a servo to drop them simultaneously from rest.

I’m doubtful this “test” works, because the density of battery as it discharges can’t change substantially if at all. You’re not removing any material from the battery when you use it (electrons leave and enter), so the mass doesn’t change. The volume of the stuff inside might change, but not enough to change the dynamic behavior of the cell as it falls.

My impression as well. Just looked at a diagram of a battery interior and don’t see any mechanism for mass transfer. Without a mass transfer (fresh battery heavier on the bottom, bad battery heavier at the top), I don’t see how the bounce test would work.

As you note, it’s bad experimental design. Too many variables.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:21:48pm

re: #467 Citizen K

How often has this been tried, with the only takeaway that voters get is ‘both sides same thing’?

Don’t know. Don’t care. It worked for me in one-on-one canvassing.

Things have changed on the ground since 2016, in case you hadn’t noticed.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:22:49pm

re: #471 HappyWarrior

Nah, wasn’t me. I’m not really too familiar with Calhoun outside his staunch defense of slavery as a “positive good” and Mrs. Calhoun being the original slut shamer in the Peggy Eaton Affair.

You can add an Anddrew Jackson quote to your Calhoun file:

The day after Van Buren was elected president, Jackson took the time to reflect on his own presidency with a friend. When asked if he had any regrets about the last eight years, this was his response: “[That] I didn’t shoot Henry Clay and I didn’t hang John C. Calhoun.”

mentalfloss.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:23:06pm

re: #446 gocart mozart

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Chinese tanks in Alaska? Dobbs’s audience is composed of people who not only don’t know how ludicrous this is, but who don’t believe anyone else could know either. It is the same with much popular bullshit, the marks are sure that their own knowledge is the ultimate and the doubters are simply gullible about the “official line.” For instance, someone who has no idea how many countries there are, and how they interact, will believe all kinds of impossible things like a conspiracy to fake the Moon landings or conceal routine alien visits.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:23:16pm

May I ask why is Elizabeth Warren still being pounded? I mean good grief it’s not like she posed for her yearbook picture wearing feathers and war paint.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:24:08pm

re: #472 HappyWarrior

It is but I’m going to give her the same respect I gave Dr. Ford. She’s entitled to that as a matter of fairness. I won’t give Fairfax different standards because I voted/campaigned for him than Kavanaugh. I just can’t do that.

Ford had corroboration. And Kavanaugh had history. Unless that turns up in this case, it’s not the same. (Even if I believe her.)

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:24:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:25:16pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:25:49pm

re: #470 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

If there’s nothing at all to corroborate her story (no-one saw anything, she never told anyone), then he, unfortunately, gets the benefit of the doubt. Even if I believe her.

(That’s the problem with a lot of assault allegations. Sucks, but there it is.)

Reported today that he had a obscenity laden yelling match about her last night.

So yeah, he remembers the incident.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:27:33pm

re: #479 The Vicious Babushka

Because she’s a Democrat and a woman.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:27:33pm

re: #477 Decatur Deb

You can add an Anddrew Jackson quote to your Calhoun file:

The day after Van Buren was elected president, Jackson took the time to reflect on his own presidency with a friend. When asked if he had any regrets about the last eight years, this was his response: “[That] I didn’t shoot Henry Clay and I didn’t hang John C. Calhoun.”

mentalfloss.com

I knew that one. And honestly while I hate Jackson too, he wasn’t wrong about Calhoun. Clay for all his compromises I actually like.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:28:17pm

re: #483 Scottish Dragon

Reported today that he had a obscenity laden yelling match about her last night.

So yeah, he remembers the incident.

If someone said something like that about me and was lying, I’d lace my talk with obscenities too. Likewise if she was telling the truth.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:28:33pm

re: #480 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Ford had corroboration. And Kavanaugh had history. Unless that turns up in this case, it’s not the same. (Even if I believe her.)

But he himself corroborates the fact that a sexual encounter took place. That makes it a question of “consensual or not”, and while I’d agree it would be next to impossible to secure a criminal conviction in this case, we’re talking about the court of public opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:28:37pm

re: #479 The Vicious Babushka

May I ask why is Elizabeth Warren still being pounded? I mean good grief it’s not like she posed for her yearbook picture wearing feathers and war paint.

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I really think she messed up with the Bar card but I have to agree. And the right’s reaction to this has been far more racist than anything Elizabeth Warren did.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:28:38pm

re: #479 The Vicious Babushka

May I ask why is Elizabeth Warren still being pounded? I mean good grief it’s not like she posed for her yearbook picture wearing feathers and war paint.

You know why, the same as for Hillary: She’s a Democrat, and an uppity woman at that.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:29:02pm

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

Because she’s a Democrat and a woman.

Because it’s all they have.

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:29:19pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:30:08pm

re: #491 gocart mozart

Sharks. With FRIGGIN’ laser beams!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:30:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:30:13pm

re: #480 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Ford had corroboration. And Kavanaugh had history. Unless that turns up in this case, it’s not the same. (Even if I believe her.)

Listen, I don’t know if he did it or not. I just think right now her allegation is credible. I don’t know if it’s a lie but I do know guilty or not, he did himself no favors if the reports of her calling her the fucking bitch last night are true. I hope he’s not guilty. I genuinely like the guy and thought he was very bold to stand up during the Robert E. Lee haiography but I can’t discount this.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:30:18pm

A lot of the conspiracy culture is about shielding basically stupid people from the devastating realization that they are, in truth, stupid.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:30:50pm

re: #429 Scottish Dragon

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What I don’t believe is that the recent reannouncement came from her.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:31:14pm

re: #487 Interesting Times

But he himself corroborates the fact that a sexual encounter took place. That makes it a case of “consensual or not”, and while I’d agree it would be next to impossible to secure a criminal conviction in this case, we’re talking about the court of public opinion.

Exactly and I’m sorry but as painful as it is, we have to be consistent even if it’s someone we like.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:31:16pm

re: #487 Interesting Times

But he himself corroborates the fact that a sexual encounter took place. That makes it a case of “consensual or not”, and while I’d agree it would be next to impossible to secure a criminal conviction in this instance, we’re talking about the court of public opinion.

That’s the problem. We need higher standards than that. Disaster enses when we let the mob rule our actions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:32:25pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:33:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:33:22pm

re: #498 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

That’s the problem. We need higher standards than that. Disaster enses when we let the mob rule our actions.

A lot of us wanted Kavanaugh to be rejected when Ford just had an allegation. Listen I’m not saying he’s lying or she’s lying. I’m saying her allegation seems credible. Make of that what you will. This is very serious stuff.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:33:26pm

re: #497 HappyWarrior

Exactly and I’m sorry but as painful as it is, we have to be consistent even if it’s someone we like.

I will be consistent in not condemning people in the absence of evidence.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:34:13pm

re: #493 Scottish Dragon

That’s not good. Time to go.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:34:47pm

re: #502 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I will be consistent in not condemning people in the absence of evidence.

Fair enough. BTW I’m not condemning him. Merely stating that I think her allegation has credibility to it. I don’t know what should happen at this point. I just feel really bothered by it and he didn’t help with his response.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:35:40pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:35:53pm

re: #501 HappyWarrior

A lot of us wanted Kavanaugh to be rejected when Ford just had an allegation. Listen I’m not saying he’s lying or she’s lying. I’m saying her allegation seems credible. Make of that what you will. This is very serious stuff.

She (Ford) had supporting witnesses. Her allegation is credible, but I know neither party and have no grounds at this time for supporting one or another. If some turns up, that will be a different matter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:36:26pm

re: #503 Ace Rothstein

That’s not good. Time to go.

It really isn’t. And I’m sorry but it’s making me sick because I know a lot of this is the VA GOP trying to do anything to subvert the will of the voters here and force the Speaker on us who is only the Speaker because of a coin flip as our Governor and thus give them control of redistricting.

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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:37:31pm

re: #381 Scottish Dragon

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Yeah, i was thinking that there are early 1980s pictures from frat parties at the University of Texas at Austin lurking out there, just waiting to bite some unsuspecting pol on the kiester.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:37:51pm

re: #506 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

She had supporting witnesses. Her allegation is credible, but I know neither party and have no grounds at this time for supporting one or another. If some turns up, that will be a different matter.

Did she have witnesses or have people that recalled her recalling the incident later? From what I recall with Dr. Ford, she had her husband remember that he brought it up in counseling which the therapist’s notes concurred with. It’s quite possible that it may come out that Professor Tyson mentioned it to someone at some point too. But fair enough. I just hope you can see why i’m bothered by all this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:38:29pm

meanwhile, in Vermont:

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:42:14pm

re: #509 HappyWarrior

Did she have witnesses or have people that recalled her recalling the incident later? From what I recall with Dr. Ford, she had her husband remember that he brought it up in counseling which the therapist’s notes concurred with. It’s quite possible that it may come out that Professor Tyson mentioned it to someone at some point too. But fair enough. I just hope you can see why i’m bothered by all this.

Of course it’s troubling — particularly when there’s no way to judge between them at this time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:43:22pm

re: #511 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Of course it’s troubling — particularly when there’s no way to judge between them at this time.

Yeah. I definitely want to see more come out for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:43:50pm

Anyhow. It’s been a frustrating past few days. I’ve never seen anything like this before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:49:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:49:44pm

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Santa keeps on moving because he knows the Feds are closing in fast.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:49:55pm

Biggest powder day of the year today. Best skiing I’ve had in years. Private ‘cause it’s a picture of my beautiful mug.

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

Day kind of ended on a sour note. Driving back through the canyon I hit some ice and lost control of my car, bounced off the guardrail once. Broke a tail light, and trunk won’t close. Off to the body shop on my next day off. Grr.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:51:11pm

hahahahaha

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:52:28pm

This is a thread I think Aminah would have loved to follow.

Huda F @yesimhotinthis by the way is a cartoonist who does four-panel comics about her life as a young Muslim woman wearing hijab in the USA. Really quite funny at times.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:53:58pm

Let’s pretend for a moment we don’t have to deal with the GOP. How would we want VA to shake out? My thought is:
1. Northam, as far as I’ve heard, hasn’t actually apologized. I feel that at this point he will no more authority as the head of the Democratic party in VA, and he needs to resign.
2. It’s too early for me to say about Fairfax, but based on the fact that she stated this earlier, I don’t give him much of a chance. But, why did VA vote for him if this was out? I suspect some of it was related to his opponent.
3. Herring seems to have taken the correct first steps. It would be a good opportunity for him to come out and talk about the 80s in the south, and own it and explore how things have changed.

Now, to take reality into account. The GOP needs to eat shit for not having any standards at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:56:15pm

re: #517 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaha

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Let me put it this way, I’d be shocked if I heard Tim Kaine called a woman a bitch.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:56:16pm

dopes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:56:29pm
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mmmirele  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:56:44pm

re: #102 Sir John Barron

“The only good victims are illegal immigrant crime victims.”

This is also my congressman, Andy Biggs. Nobody matters except for fetuses and “Angel families”, which is the name for families who had a loved one killed by an illegal immigrant.

That said, Matt Gaetz will probably be reelected for as long as he wants. Pensacola is one of the most conservative places in the USA. Very religious and very right wing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:57:09pm

re: #519 Belafon

Let’s pretend for a moment we don’t have to deal with the GOP. How would we want VA to shake out? My thought is:
1. Northam, as far as I’ve heard, hasn’t actually apologized. I feel that at this point he will no more authority as the head of the Democratic party in VA, and he needs to resign.
2. It’s too early for me to say about Fairfax, but based on the fact that she stated this earlier, I don’t give him much of a chance. But, why did VA vote for him if this was out? I suspect some of it was related to his opponent.
3. Herring seems to have taken the correct first steps. It would be a good opportunity for him to come out and talk about the 80s in the south, and own it and explore how things have changed.

Now, to take reality into account. The GOP needs to eat shit for not having any standards at all.

Re: Fairfax. It wasn’t out. The Post didn’t publish it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:57:46pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gaetz is awful.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:58:40pm

re: #523 mmmirele

This is also my congressman, Andy Biggs. Nobody matters except for fetuses and “Angel families”, which is the name for families who had a loved one killed by an illegal immigrant.

That said, Matt Gaetz will probably be reelected for as long as he wants. Pensacola is one of the most conservative places in the USA. Very religious and very right wing.

That’s what happens. Bright red areas send their worst. I won’t be surprised if Gaetz is there when I’m 50.

527
retired cynic  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:59:21pm

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

stonekettle.com

New Stonekettle!

528
uriel  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:00:03pm

Felt like it needed to be said:

529
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:00:30pm
530
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:01:11pm

I agree about Herring. Herring I’m upset with but I think it was different. Just like I think that GOP rep in FLA was different than the SoS.

531
teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:01:22pm

re: #521 makeitstop

Those guys? Fucking out there, man.

532
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:02:22pm

I’m watching Lincoln because I need to see a President, a Republican President, be a leader in the fight for what’s right, instead of a degenerate criminal.

533
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:02:35pm

re: #518 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is a thread I think Aminah would have loved to follow.

[Embedded content]

Huda F @yesimhotinthis by the way is a cartoonist who does four-panel comics about her life as a young Muslim woman wearing hijab in the USA. Really quite funny at times.

That’s a question I pondered when I read SF about moon colonies (what Muslims would decide to do).

534
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:03:03pm

some examples:

535
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:07:45pm

re: #532 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m watching Lincoln because I need to see a President, a Republican President, be a leader in the fight for what’s right, instead of a degenerate criminal.

Hell I’d watch it just to be reminded that we had a President that cared about something other than what Fox and Friends was saying about him. Granted that was the other 43 though Grover Cleveland kept on bragging about how much Hearst loves me! *

* Yes I’m being silly

536
teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:07:57pm

This photo breaks my heart. Buzz Aldrin, one of the coolest humans walking around on this planet, saluting Fuckface Von Clownstick.

537
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:09:18pm

re: #536 teleskiguy

This photo breaks my heart. Buzz Aldrin, one of the coolest humans walking around on this planet, saluting Fuckface Von Clownstick.

[Embedded content]

Me too man. My grand aunt worked at NASA when Buzz, Glenn, Armstrong, and all those guys were there. I know he’s saluting the office and not necessarily the man but I hear ya.

538
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:09:35pm

re: #536 teleskiguy

This photo breaks my heart. Buzz Aldrin, one of the coolest humans walking around on this planet, saluting Fuckface Von Clownstick.

Buzz Aldrin, unfortunately, is one of those who believes in respecting the office of President, even if it is an orange-tinted asshole occupying it.

539
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:09:35pm

It’s too easy finding a good AOC tweet:

540
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:10:38pm

re: #524 HappyWarrior

Re: Fairfax. It wasn’t out. The Post didn’t publish it.

OK.

541
Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:10:58pm
542
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:11:07pm

re: #539 Belafon

It’s too easy finding a good AOC tweet:

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Yeah how dare schools teach fairness. Next they’ll teach socialistic ideas like sharing and being nice to people. God I hate FNC and the shit they poison people with. Maybe if you assholes actually experienced some of the stuff Alexandria and her constituents have, you wouldn’t be a bunch of toadies for the system that you love to act like should never be questioned.

543
wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:11:19pm

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some more evidence here:

544
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:11:19pm

“presidential harassment”

O_o

545
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:13:43pm

re: #540 Belafon

OK.

Yeah, I’m just pointing that out. It wasn’t known until it came out recently. He had other opponents for Lt. Governor. I voted for him because he seemed the most compelling in the primary. When he ran against Herring for AG six years ago (This is Herring’s second go around as AG), I voted for Herring because I was familiar with Herring as my neighboring senate district’s senator. I like wise voted for Aneesh Chopra for Lt. Governor due to his background in the Obama Administration in that primary. T-Mac was uncontested for that primary for governor.

546
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:13:59pm

re: #518 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is a thread I think Aminah would have loved to follow.

[Embedded content]

Huda F @yesimhotinthis by the way is a cartoonist who does four-panel comics about her life as a young Muslim woman wearing hijab in the USA. Really quite funny at times.

I am LOL because Jews have already asked these same questions about prayer times, fast days, prayer orientations in outer space, when do you observe Shabbat in space, is artificial meat kosher (yes and it’s pareve and the bracha is shehakol)

547
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:14:06pm

re: #544 Backwoods_Sleuth

“presidential harassment”

O_o

[Embedded content]

It’s not harassment to investigate, you Nixon cosplayer.

548
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:14:51pm

heads up Nashville lizards!

549
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:02pm

Is it just me or does everyone at FNC to me look like they should be the snobby preppy kids or parents in a coming of age movie?

550
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:31pm

re: #546 The Vicious Babushka

I am LOL because Jews have already asked these same questions about prayer times, fast days, prayer orientations in outer space, when do you observe Shabbat in space, is artificial meat kosher (yes and it’s pareve and the bracha is shehakol)

I’m assuming that most of the time-based ones were resolved in favor of the ship’s onboard clock? If we have to bring relativity into the equation, it could get … messy.

551
retired cynic  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:35pm

re: #549 HappyWarrior

Does everyone at FNC to me look like they should be the snobby preppy kids or parents in a coming of age movie?

And it is DELIBERATE!

552
lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:38pm

re: #518 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve been doing audio books of the Magnus Chase series and one of the key characters is a young Muslim woman who was turned into a Valkyrie and is a devout Muslim. Oh, and her father was… Loki. So, yeah, lots of interesting crossovers and relevant.

553
gwangung  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:57pm

re: #547 HappyWarrior

It’s not harassment to investigate, you Nixon cosplayer.

It comes with the territory. The orange one better suck it up.

554
TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:17:18pm

re: #548 Backwoods_Sleuth

heads up Nashville lizards!

Believe me, I’m aware, because my phone’s been blowing up all night with flash flood warnings, then this…thanks, though.

555
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:17:50pm

re: #545 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I’m just pointing that out. He had other opponents for Lt. Governor. I voted for him because he seemed the most compelling in the primary. When he ran against Herring for AG six years ago (This is Herring’s second go around as AG), I voted for Herring because I was familiar with Herring as my neighboring senate district’s senator. I like wise voted for Aneesh Chopra for Lt. Governor due to his background in the Obama Administration in that primary. T-Mac was uncontested for that primary for governor.

That’s cool. I was wondering. In that case, we need to see some evidence. We take her accusation seriously, but we have to follow through on figuring out what went on.

556
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:18:27pm

re: #551 retired cynic

And it is DELIBERATE!

Seriously. For a network that rails against elites, they act like a bunch of snobby assholes especially when they’re mocking “liberal” values. Their true masks really come off. They hate on Mr. Rogers for fuck sake for telling kids that they should be aware of their uniqueness.

557
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:18:34pm

re: #547 HappyWarrior

It’s not harassment to investigate, you Nixon cosplayer.

558
PhillyPretzel  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:18:37pm

I am watching the latest version of a Victor Borge special. Dang. He is funny as heck.

559
stpaulbear  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:18:47pm

re: #529 Backwoods_Sleuth

SevereStudios
@severestudios
Ice Storm in Kansas City and surrounding areas…

Well now I don’t feel so bad about getting 4-8 inches of snow tonight and tomorrow. We’re still recovering from a little freezing rain on Sunday night.

560
wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:18:59pm

re: #546 The Vicious Babushka

I am LOL because Jews have already asked these same questions about prayer times, fast days, prayer orientations in outer space, when do you observe Shabbat in space, is artificial meat kosher (yes and it’s pareve and the bracha is shehakol)

So, I’m curious. If you’re off-world, how would you time the beginning of Shabbat, or a holiday like Pesach?

561
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:19:15pm

re: #555 Belafon

That’s cool. I was wondering. In that case, we need to see some evidence. We take her accusation seriously, but we have to follow through on figuring out what went on.

Absolutely agreed. I want to see what the WaPo found contradictory about her version of events since he is not denying that there was an encounter.

562
wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:19:43pm

re: #558 PhillyPretzel

I am watching the latest version of a Victor Borge special. Dang. He is funny as heck.

He left me in stitches reprising Wagnerian opera.

563
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:19:54pm

re: #552 lawhawk

I’ve been doing audio books of the Magnus Chase series and one of the key characters is a young Muslim woman who was turned into a Valkyrie and is a devout Muslim. Oh, and her father was… Loki. So, yeah, lots of interesting crossovers and relevant.

Riordan books have been great about the different people he has in them.

564
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:22:27pm
565
Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:24:29pm
566
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:24:44pm

re: #564 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I think he was getting a Nixon-cure.

567
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:24:59pm

re: #550 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m assuming that most of the time-based ones were resolved in favor of the ship’s onboard clock? If we have to bring relativity into the equation, it could get … messy.

Ilan Ramon before the fatal Columbia flight, asked this question, and he was told to observe Shabbat according to the launch site.

568
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:25:14pm

re: #565 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

And yet GOP officials hang out with this guy. Says alot about them don’t it?

569
freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:25:49pm

You never know what you’ll find lying around on the street:

Danes pull Medieval sword from ground in Aalborg street

A plumber and a machine operator in Aalborg made a sensational discovery when they discovered an intact and well-preserved sword while at work on Tuesday.

[…]

Kenneth Nielsen, an archaeologist from the museum, examined the 1.1 metre-long sword and quickly concluded it was of 14th-century Medieval origin.

The sword was found in ground on top of the oldest layer of paving on Algade, one of the northern city’s central streets.

[…]

570
freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:26:35pm

Gives me hope that one day my lost socks will be found.

571
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:26:57pm
572
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:27:15pm

re: #564 Backwoods_Sleuth

1. Love her using #nowords.
2. She looks amazing.

573
teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:28:09pm
574
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:28:14pm

re: #572 Belafon

1. Love her using #nowords.
2. She looks amazing.

I was going to joke that she probably felt lucky for once that she’s hard at hearing because Roger Stone’s voice is almost as bad as Trump’s but I thought it might be in poor taste.

575
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:28:26pm

re: #569 freetoken

You never know what you’ll find lying around on the street:

Danes pull Medieval sword from ground in Aalborg street

almost as exciting as the 8-year-old girl who pulled the Viking-era sword from a Swedish lake.

576
lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:29:19pm

re: #569 freetoken

Sumarbrander?

577
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:30:06pm

What IS the deal with Roger Stone’s head? Did he have Zika or something?

578
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:30:59pm

re: #575 Backwoods_Sleuth

almost as exciting as the 8-year-old girl who pulled the Viking-era sword from a Swedish lake.

I remember that one. That was a cool story.

579
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:32:46pm

re: #577 The Vicious Babushka

What IS the deal with Roger Stone’s head? Did he have Zika or something?

he’s probably related to Beldar…

580
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:35:00pm

Oy. While I was at that site searching for “Shabbat in space” today is the Yorzeit (Hebrew anniversary) of the Parkland shootings. Families of Parkland Victims Mark Anniversary in Quiet Service

581
TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:35:08pm

re: #579 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s probably related to Beldar…

From France, Stone is…

582
Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:37:31pm

re: #410 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Well, I am a minion of Satan. But my duties are mostly ceremonial.

583
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:38:27pm
584
stpaulbear  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:39:34pm

re: #579 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s probably related to Beldar…

…or Zippy.

585
wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:40:21pm

re: #582 Eventual Carrion

Well, I am a minion of Satan. But my duties are mostly ceremonial.

I get his coffee covfefe.

586
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:40:26pm

re: #582 Eventual Carrion

Well, I am a minion of Satan. But my duties are mostly ceremonial.

People claim the Lizardim are in the pay of the Zionists, or of George Soros, but we all know it’s Stan that signs the paychecks around here.

587
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:40:57pm

re: #586 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

People claim the Lizardim are in the pay of the Zionists, or of George Soros, but we all know it’s Stan that signs the paychecks around here.

We’ve all been furloughed.

588
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:42:03pm

re: #587 The Vicious Babushka

We’ve all been furloughed.

Nah, there’s been a government shutdown. I heard hell froze over a coupla weeks back.

589
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:45:58pm

re: #588 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Nah, there’s been a government shutdown. I heard hell froze over a coupla weeks back.

Last week actually.

590
Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:46:24pm

I agree with Robert Menendez on this: All of those undocumented workers that the Trump Organization fired need to be kept from being deported because they are witnesses to actual and potential crimes.

592
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:47:17pm

re: #589 The Vicious Babushka

Last week actually.

Well, slap me twice and hand me to my mama, and so it was. It’s been a long year this week.

593
freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:48:27pm

re: #589 The Vicious Babushka

But the Brexiteers wouldn’t be welcome even there:

EU chief says even hell wouldn’t welcome some Brexiteers

594
Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:59:06pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

why hasn’t this turtle been hit with a huge smite?

[Embedded content]

Merrick Garland should kick him in the nuts every day for the rest of his life.

595
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:08:21pm

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