Right wingers are getting all huffy about President Obama’s off the cuff line, but this is Obama at his best. Our quote of the day, by far:
They talk about me like a dog.
They even talk about the clothes you wear, Mr. President.
UPDATE at 9/6/10 5:51:06 pm:
In case you didn’t recognize the quote (and I don’t know if Obama really intended it), it’s a verbatim line from Jimi Hendrix’s ode to being a total freak, “Stone Free.”
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:51:31pm |
A Jimi Hendrix quote! Now I know why I changed my mind about Obama.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:52:57pm |
He's a brilliant orator, and a smart man.
That combination is bound to piss off a lot of people.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:53:57pm |
It's a good line and effective too. Especially since the wingnut right will use the Hendrix connection to go off on some weird "Obama is a latter-day 60's radical" digression. This is done since it gains more viewers for Beck than actually dealing with issues.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:54:06pm |
Go for it, President Obama. I think folks forget how young he is.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:57:43pm |
Obvious: The freepers are saying that referencing a dog negatively is a secret muslim slip up, which is a fantastic meme ... for me to poop on.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:59:31pm |
re: #6 goddamnedfrank
Obvious: The freepers are saying that referencing a dog negatively is a secret muslim slip up, which is a fantastic meme ... for me to poop on.
Will that help you stop being full of crap??
((sorry ,, that was too easy to pass up! !!))
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 5:59:35pm |
re: #6 goddamnedfrank
Obvious: The freepers are saying that referencing a dog negatively is a secret muslim slip up, which is a fantastic meme ... for me to poop on.
Poop away sir.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:01:28pm |
Well it's been open season on your double dealing
And it's so wrong
I guess i've been a fool playing by the rules
For too long
Well i've been sitting here at home with the porchlight on
While you've been chasing everything that runs
Let me put this in your ear and make it be so clear
Baby that dog won't hunt
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ohpleaseno Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:01:30pm |
If he whips out a "My red is so confident he flashes trophies of war and ribbons of euphoria" then we probably should go drop acid with the guy.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:01:39pm |
Then you'll never hear surf music again.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:01:57pm |
re: #7 PhillyPretzel
I agree that is how it will be used.
That's what makes it so clever: Obama gets to make the wingnuts look silly pushing some dumb meme over an innocuous quote. He risks nothing while putting his opposition at risk of making themselves look foolish in order to toss red meat to a political base whipped up by Glenn Beck.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:03:38pm |
re: #2 Charles
A Jimi Hendrix quote! Now I know why I changed my mind about Obama.
He's one of us, one of us, one of us!
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:03:45pm |
Hi honcos.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:04:34pm |
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:04:55pm |
re: #15 Alouette
Those are beautiful. Challah for Rosh Hashannah?
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:05:01pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:05:04pm |
re: #15 Alouette
Hi honcos.
I take it you're done? Or are you just turning over to bake the other side?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:05:19pm |
Everyday in the week i'm in a different city
If i stay too long people try to pull me down
They talk about me like a dog
Talkin' about the clothes i wear
But they don't realise they're the ones who's square
Hey!
And that's why
You can't hold me down
I don't want to be down i gotta move
Hey
Stone free do what i please
Stone free to ride the breeze
Stone free i can't stay
I got to got to got to get away
Alright
Listen to this baby
A woman here a woman there try to keep me in a plastic cage
But they don't realise it's so easy to break
But sometimes i get a ha
Feel my heart kind of runnin' hot
That's when i've got to move before i get caught
And the is why, listen to me baby, you can't hold me down
I don't want to be tied down
I gotta be free
Owh!
I said
Stone free do what i please
Stone free to ride the breeze
Stone free i can't stay
Got to got to got to get away
Yeah ow!
Tear me loose baby
Yeah!
Stone free to ride on the breeze
Stone free do what i please
Stone free i can't stay
Stone free i got to i got to get away
Stone free go on down the highway
Stone free don't try to hold me back baby
Stone free oh yeah baby
Stone free got to got to get away
Stone free goodbye baby
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:05:43pm |
Nice catch.
Everyday in the week I'm in a different city
If I stay too long people try to pull me down
They talk about me like a dog
Talkin' about the clothes I wear
But they don't realize they're the ones who's square
Apt quote.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:06:16pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
That's what makes it so clever: Obama gets to make the wingnuts look silly pushing some dumb meme over an innocuous quote. He risks nothing while putting his opposition at risk of making themselves look foolish in order to toss red meat to a political base whipped up by Glenn Beck.
Awww BS he promised more stimulus to a union base at our expense... we ain't spent the last 6 Billion promised on shovel ready jobs yet. So what were gonna build more roads? More runways? Dude we got no jobs where are we supposed to drive to?
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:06:54pm |
I want to be treated like one of my dogs. Its a good life for sure.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:07:23pm |
re: #22 brookly red
Awww BS he promised more stimulus to a union base at our expense... we ain't spent the last 6 Billion promised on shovel ready jobs yet. So what were gonna build more roads? More runways? Dude we got no jobs where are we supposed to drive to?
What do you suggest we should be doing instead?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:07:45pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
What do you suggest we should be doing instead?
By the way... how is your new job working out?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:08:01pm |
re: #23 compound idaho
I want to be treated like one of my dogs. Its a good life for sure.
You don't fool me
You just want to be able to lick your own crotch!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:09:03pm |
re: #26 Walter L. Newton
By the way... how is your new job working out?
Decently enough, the company has closed yet.
I'm learning a fair amount about HTML and Javascript, with PHP starting next week.
Already know how to make a fairly convincing mockup of google's front page!
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Lidane Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:09:16pm |
re: #20 Charles
Another reason why I like the guy. Excellent song reference, I think.
I can't wait for the first idiots to call him a 60's radical because he quoted Hendrix. What the hell could he have been radical about back then? Hot Wheels cars? Playing kickball during recess?
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:09:39pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
What do you suggest we should be doing instead?
well we could give the 50% of the unspent stimulus back to the people & let business do what it does.
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:09:42pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:10:18pm |
re: #28 jamesfirecat
Decently enough, the company has closed yet.
I'm learning a fair amount about HTML and Javascript, with PHP starting next week.
Already know how to make a fairly convincing mockup of google's front page!
You getting paid on time... benefits, all that stuff?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:10:30pm |
re: #30 brookly red
well we could give the 50% of the unspent stimulus back to the people & let business do what it does.
////So you're suggesting a government hand outs?
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Lidane Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:11:00pm |
re: #30 brookly red
let business do what it does.
Going so far off the rails that they had to be bailed out twice?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:11:11pm |
re: #22 brookly red
Awww BS he promised more stimulus to a union base at our expense... we ain't spent the last 6 Billion promised on shovel ready jobs yet. So what were gonna build more roads? More runways? Dude we got no jobs where are we supposed to drive to?
I know, I didn't say I approved of his politics. And I wish conservatives would focus more on coming up with counters to Obama's policy idea instead of BS inferences about what he's thinking. Barack Obama's thoughts are a matter of tertiary import, his actions are a matter of primary import.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:11:29pm |
re: #35 jamesfirecat
///So you're suggesting a government hand outs?
giving people back their money is not a hand out...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:11:33pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:11:53pm |
re: #34 Walter L. Newton
You getting paid on time... benefits, all that stuff?
Not yet because it's a start up company so it can't afford to be paying me when I'm basically going to their building using their machines and a few of their more experienced employees to learn the ropes of what I'll need to do for them.
In short it's less like work and more like a training course at the moment....
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:12:23pm |
re: #36 Lidane
Going so far off the rails that they had to be bailed out twice?
now let it fail the first time
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:12:29pm |
re: #22 brookly red
Awww BS he promised more stimulus to a union base at our expense... we ain't spent the last 6 Billion promised on shovel ready jobs yet. So what were gonna build more roads? More runways? Dude we got no jobs where are we supposed to drive to?
Maybe if he hadn't put so many tax cuts into the first stimulus bill we'd be seeing more of those jobs from it by now.
Infrastructure is the best kind of spending there is. Not only is there the primary benefit of putting people to work, but then there are secondary benefits to businesses by having the infrastructure available for their use. Its the entire difference between a "developed" nation and an "undeveloped" (or "developing") one.
I don't see how you can hold the thought in your mind that putting people to work doesn't put people to work. It contradicts itself.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:12:40pm |
re: #35 jamesfirecat
///So you're suggesting a government hand outs?
That's not a handout, its a tax refund.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:12:43pm |
re: #38 brookly red
giving people back their money is not a hand out...
I suppose you're also outraged by Obama's proposed tax cuts.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:12:50pm |
re: #38 brookly red
giving people back their money is not a hand out...
Just so that we're clear, what is a government hand out then?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:13:50pm |
I SO want one of these
[Link: www.bmwblog.com...]
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:14:08pm |
re: #17 PhillyPretzel
Yeah. Here's my recipe.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:14:18pm |
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
That's not a handout, its a tax refund.
Hence the sarc tags.
But still, really what is the difference between a government handout and a tax refund?
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:14:50pm |
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abolitionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:15:21pm |
re: #20 Charles
I think that particular performance by Hendrix is more of a bone thrown to groupies than a political statement.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:15:24pm |
re: #48 jamesfirecat
Hence the sarc tags.
But still, really what is the difference between a government handout and a tax refund?
Simple answer
A tax refund is giving me back tax money I sent in
A handout is giving someone else money that I sent in
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:16:30pm |
re: #35 jamesfirecat
///So you're suggesting a government hand outs?
Give it back to those that earned it. Think about what is being proposed now. Take money from profitable companies and loan it to failing ones, or even worse subsidized loan to their competators (GM etc). Bad idea.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:16:38pm |
re: #48 jamesfirecat
Hence the sarc tags.
But still, really what is the difference between a government handout and a tax refund?
yes dude if the government never put their stinking mitts on it in the first place... OH PHUC what a concept...
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:17:14pm |
re: #51 sattv4u2
Simple answer
A tax refund is giving me back tax money I sent in
A handout is giving someone else money that I sent in
Fair enough.
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Digital Display Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:18:24pm |
re: #46 sattv4u2
I SO want one of these
[Link: www.bmwblog.com...]
I want an Audi now..I'm serious.. I've been completely brain washed...I've seen enough commercials that I would give up my first born Male child for a black convertible. *wink*
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:18:31pm |
re: #51 sattv4u2
Simple answer
A tax refund is giving me back tax money I sent in
A handout is giving someone else money that I sent in
So it entirely depends on whether you happen to be above or below the median tax bracket? That's funny, that is.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:18:53pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Fair enough.
Actually... it a bit frightening to me that you don't know the difference... automatically... how many other young adults your age would have questioned that the way you did... any idea?
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:19:26pm |
Obama's quote reminds me of this too:
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:19:28pm |
re: #47 Alouette
Thank you for the recipe. I have saved it to my documents. When I learn to bake I will try it.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:19:45pm |
The wingnut blogs are pretty quiet about Obama's new tax cuts. I guess they're waiting for the Heritage Institute or Cato to issue talking points after the holiday.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:19:50pm |
Haha love having a president that can quote Hendrix.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:20:13pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Fair enough.
Don't get me wrong. i'm not against giving someone (or a company) a hand when they need it
But to do it just as a "feel good" policy, as compound idaho stated,, taking monies from one (profitable) company to shore up a competitor ,, not so much
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:20:44pm |
re: #53 brookly red
yes dude if the government never put their stinking mitts on it in the first place... OH PHUC what a concept...
Hey, we could just get rid of that government thing entirely and go live in caves like the good old days. Oh, to live in Somalia...
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Cheechako Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:21:22pm |
re: #34 Walter L. Newton
Since you're here I take it you haven't had to evacuate from the fire near Boulder. I've been listening on the scanner and this fire is ugly. Lots of homes have been lost
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:21:24pm |
re: #62 sattv4u2
Don't get me wrong. i'm not against giving someone (or a company) a hand when they need it
But to do it just as a "feel good" policy, as compound idaho stated,, taking monies from one (profitable) company to shore up a competitor ,, not so much
That sort of "Anti-Dog Eat Dog" idea is right of Ayn Rand and should not take place in real life unless there are some damn good reasons for it.
That said infrastructure spending is nothing at all like that, is it?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:21:42pm |
re: #57 Walter L. Newton
Actually... it a bit frightening to me that you don't know the difference... automatically... how many other young adults your age would have questioned that the way you did... any idea?
Like when it's April 15th (tax day0
Ask people "How much did you pay in taxes"
Invariable Answer
"Oh ,, I didn't pay anything ,, I got money back!"
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:21:47pm |
re: #52 compound idaho
Give it back to those that earned it. Think about what is being proposed now. Take money from profitable companies and loan it to failing ones, or even worse subsidized loan to their competators (GM etc). Bad idea.
Exactly. Keeping taxes low is a better idea for growth than a loan program.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:22:34pm |
re: #65 jamesfirecat
That sort of "Anti-Dog Eat Dog" idea is right of Ayn Rand and should not take place in real life unless there are some damn good reasons for it.
That said infrastructure spending is nothing at all like that, is it?
I'll bet some money Ford paid in taxes made it's way into the GM bailout ,, no ???
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:22:37pm |
re: #56 elbruce
So it entirely depends on whether you happen to be above or below the median tax bracket? That's funny, that is.
so dig this... what is the median tax bracket? the amount of your labor the government allows you to keep? They used to call that share cropping.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:22:55pm |
Instapundit is outraged by Obama's statement but I can't quite figure out what he's going for.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:23:01pm |
re: #62 sattv4u2
But to do it just as a "feel good" policy, as compound idaho stated,, taking monies from one (profitable) company to shore up a competitor ,, not so much
If we hadn't bailed out GM, we wouldn't have an auto industry in America. It wasn't the ideal choice, but it was the best of a tough set of options. Fortunately it happened to work out really well so far, so I don't see much point bitching about it. As long as we don't make it standard practice going forward.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:23:44pm |
re: #63 elbruce
Hey, we could just get rid of that government thing entirely and go live in caves like the good old days. Oh, to live in Somalia...
Yes ,, because wanting to hold the line on government spending is EXACTLY like saying we want NO gov't spending!!
(except, how it's not!)
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:23:46pm |
re: #57 Walter L. Newton
Actually... it a bit frightening to me that you don't know the difference... automatically... how many other young adults your age would have questioned that the way you did... any idea?
I already had some idea and mainly brought it up to to tweak Red's nose personally, and I'm not social enough to know what other people my age think.
That said here is something even more frightening...
I commit around an hour to two hours of my day to this stuff.... more on the days I don't have work like today... I really doubt most people my age are as politically active /interested in politics as I am.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:24:23pm |
re: #73 jamesfirecat
I already had some idea and mainly brought it up to to tweak Red's nose personally, and I'm not social enough to know what other people my age think.
That said here is something even more frightening...
I commit around an hour to two hours of my day to this stuff... more on the days I don't have work like today... I really doubt most people my age are as politically active /interested in politics as I am.
Or as misinformed.
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:24:47pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Instapundit is outraged by Obama's statement but I can't quite figure out what he's going for.
Looks like he's just throwing out an outrage aggregator.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:25:01pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Exactly. Keeping taxes low is a better idea for growth than a loan program.
Not for me it isn't.
I'm trying to grow my very small consulting business.
Tax breaks will do nothing for me.
A loan program would.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:25:23pm |
re: #66 sattv4u2
Like when it's April 15th (tax day0
Ask people "How much did you pay in taxes"
Invariable Answer
"Oh ,, I didn't pay anything ,, I got money back!"
Half of those same people are the ones screaming and crying about the gubmint taking their money and giving it to other people. A lot of people think they're a lot richer than they actually are when discussing public policy.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:25:25pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:25:56pm |
re: #63 elbruce
Hey, we could just get rid of that government thing entirely and go live in caves like the good old days. Oh, to live in Somalia...
you and I are done. I have standards to keep & the same lame freshman arguments just don't cut it. Did you really think that was an original thought, please go back and tell your liberal arts professor to update his stuff.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:25:58pm |
re: #71 elbruce
If we hadn't bailed out GM, we wouldn't have an auto industry in America. It wasn't the ideal choice, but it was the best of a tough set of options. Fortunately it happened to work out really well so far, so I don't see much point bitching about it. As long as we don't make it standard practice going forward.
Really?
Ford US isn't a viable company? All those new plants in the southeast don't make cars?? Hyundai ,, Honda ,,, etc ,, etc
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Lidane Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:26:02pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Instapundit is outraged by Obama.
FTFY
Doesn't matter what Obama says or does, Instahack will find a reason to be outraged about it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:26:27pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
The wingnut blogs are pretty quiet about Obama's new tax cuts. I guess they're waiting for the Heritage Institute or Cato to issue talking points after the holiday.
I'm not sure it's just talking points, Killgore. Most bloggers don't know much about economics and rely heavily on their faction's economic analysis people. If a Republican announced a economic policy on the first day of a three day weekend, many liberal bloggers would hold some of their fire till Paul Krugman weighed in. If you don't know much about the issue, its better to wait to hear from your experts.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:26:44pm |
re: #68 sattv4u2
I'll bet some money Ford paid in taxes made it's way into the GM bailout ,, no ???
Which of course brings back to my post where I mentioned how we shouldn't do something like that EXCEPT without a damn good reason.
Which means we should argue was saving GM a damn good reason?
Also it wasn't like Ford was taxed more than any other company, was it? (I could be wrong on this but don't think I am....)
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celticdragon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:26:50pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
The wingnut blogs are pretty quiet about Obama's new tax cuts. I guess they're waiting for the Heritage Institute or Cato to issue talking points after the holiday.
They don't dare step out of line or display independent thought. It is certainly effective for propaganda...but it is really getting an uber creepy Stepford quality...
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:26:54pm |
re: #30 brookly red
well we could give the 50% of the unspent stimulus back to the people & let business do what it does.
Which is to sit their selfish asses down on any spare cash, make people work 45 hour weeks, and still find a way to call it "part time" so the business doesn't have to pay for health care, pensions, or other benefits.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:27:06pm |
re: #72 sattv4u2
Yes ,, because wanting to hold the line on government spending is EXACTLY like saying we want NO gov't spending!!
(except, how it's not!)
Well, if sometimes fiscal conservatives said "we could use a little more government spending here and here for these reasons" and other times they said "we need a freeze on any increases for these reasons," then I might pay attention to the notion that they don't always consistently want to reduce all government spending everywhere until there's no government left.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:27:40pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Instapundit is outraged by Obama's statement but I can't quite figure out what he's going for.
well with all partisanship aside he is playing to his base (unions in this case) as any good politician would do. I don't hold it against him.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:28:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:28:11pm |
re: #76 Obdicut
Not for me it isn't.
I'm trying to grow my very small consulting business.
Tax breaks will do nothing for me.
A loan program would.
What sort of consulting services are you offering?
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:29:15pm |
re: #2 Charles
A Jimi Hendrix quote! Now I know why I changed my mind about Obama.
No issue with that.
Still, you did say, "They even talk about the clothes you wear, Mr. President."
You did see his biking attire, right?
/
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:30:25pm |
re: #80 sattv4u2
Really?
Ford US isn't a viable company? All those new plants in the southeast don't make cars?? Hyundai ,, Honda ,,, etc ,, etc
You can't advocate chopping one of the few productive industries going in America by about a quarter and then complain at Obama because there aren't any jobs. Pick one. It also isn't very good for America if you leave the vast majority of the remaining auto industry foreign-owned.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:30:33pm |
re: #76 Obdicut
President Obama's plan to encourage small business loans:[Link: usgovinfo.about.com...]
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:30:40pm |
re: #22 brookly red
Awww BS he promised more stimulus to a union base at our expense... we ain't spent the last 6 Billion promised on shovel ready jobs yet. So what were gonna build more roads? More runways? Dude we got no jobs where are we supposed to drive to?
if it makes you feel any better (which I know it won't, nothing will, but I'll try anyway)... 150 miles of runways isn't very many runways at all. 10,000 feet is about the minimum for an airport a 727 will schedule service to, most major airports have a 12k or longer.
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Digital Display Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:30:40pm |
This is a Jimi Thread..So I've been working on words for a song about leaving Indiana...My Guitar is already packed...And the words posted...
But I really like the rewrite of the first chorus...
It's in the key of D
Highway 44 West
By the Hoopster
The next time you see me
I’ll be running down Highway 44 west
Barreling down the road
Crashing over the crest
Time to say goodbye..
Time to set a course
Pushing down the pedal tonight
On Highway 44
Time to arrive on the pavement
Time to do the deed
Barreling down Highway 44
Time to be free with this speed
On Highway 44
( Wicked lead here)
That's all I got so far lizards
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:30:59pm |
re: #85 prairiefire
Which is to sit their selfish asses down on any spare cash, make people work 45 hour weeks, and still find a way to call it "part time" so the business doesn't have to pay for health care, pensions, or other benefits.
well no if you consider that the stimulus is money is not in existence yet, it is all debt. It does not exist in the real world, fictional projected funding. Like that.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:31:25pm |
re: #89 Dark_Falcon
What sort of consulting services are you offering?
Implementation and quality assurance. To get contracts I need to be able to hire people. To hire people I need to have a starter fund first. I'm speccing out my business plan now to see the minimum I can do it on, and then I'll try to get a loan through the SBA.
Tax is the absolute least of my worries.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:32:12pm |
re: #91 elbruce
You can't advocate chopping one of the few productive industries going in America by about a quarter and then complain at Obama because there aren't any jobs. Pick one. It also isn't very good for America if you leave the vast majority of the remaining auto industry foreign-owned.
Where the hell did I complain at Obama because there aren't any jobs!?!?
If the only way you can "win" an argument is to make stuff up that someone said, we're done also!.
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:32:24pm |
Joe Miller - not only a figurative car wreck for good governance, but a literal one too:
Alaska US Senate candidate cited in 3-car crash
The Republican candidate who defeated U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski in Alaska's primary election has been cited for his role in a recent three-car collision in Fairbanks.Joe Miller was involved in the crash in his hometown three days after the Aug. 24 election and before the conservative lawyer's surprise victory in the tight race was confirmed last week in the counting of thousands of absentee votes and questioned ballots. Murkowski conceded Aug. 31 to Miller, whose campaign is backed by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Express.
Alaska State Troopers said Miller's vehicle rear-ended a vehicle driven by Denali Park resident James Raisis, who then rear-ended a car driven by Mark Lewis of Fairbanks. Miller was cited last week with failing "to exercise due care to avoid a collision" in the Aug. 27 wreck on Geist Road.
Troopers said no one was hurt in the collision, although Lewis said he had some cervical stiffness and numbness in some fingers.
Lewis also was cited - with stopping on a highway.
Miller's campaign manager, Robert Campbell, said Monday he doesn't think Miller will challenge the citation. [...]
Obviously in a 3-car accident the fault is probably complex, yet I can't help but think this is some sublime symbol of where American politics is at these days.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:32:33pm |
re: #30 brookly red
well we could give the 50% of the unspent stimulus back to the people & let business do what it does.
The fact that there's still a lot of unspent stimulus funding is the main thing backing consumer and investor confidence.
Also, there are lots of projects that require some time to get set up and running. We can spend fast or we can spend smart. We can't do both.
Bush did stimulus by just mailing people checks twice. It didn't help at all. And it won't work a third time either.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:33:05pm |
re: #95 brookly red
Brookly, it may be "all debt" to the Federal Government, but it is food on the table and back to school clothes for all of the highway patrol, teachers, and infrastructure workers where the cash did go to. You know, real people.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:33:32pm |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
This is a Jimi Thread..So I've been working on words for a song about leaving Indiana...My Guitar is already packed...And the words posted...
But I really like the rewrite of the first chorus...
It's in the key of DHighway 44 West
By the HoopsterThe next time you see me
I’ll be running down Highway 44 west
Barreling down the road
Crashing over the crestTime to say goodbye..
Time to set a course
Pushing down the pedal tonight
On Highway 44
Time to arrive on the pavement
Time to do the deed
Barreling down Highway 44
Time to be free with this speed
On Highway 44( Wicked lead here)
That's all I got so far lizards
Record the melody, and post.
Make it bluesy.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:34:06pm |
re: #93 sagehen
if it makes you feel any better (which I know it won't, nothing will, but I'll try anyway)... 150 miles of runways isn't very many runways at all. 10,000 feet is about the minimum for an airport a 727 will schedule service to, most major airports have a 12k or longer.
exactly my point all flashy big numbers handed out to a few union "runway pavers" no jobs, just taxes.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:34:32pm |
re: #96 Obdicut
Implementation and quality assurance. To get contracts I need to be able to hire people. To hire people I need to have a starter fund first. I'm speccing out my business plan now to see the minimum I can do it on, and then I'll try to get a loan through the SBA.
Tax is the absolute least of my worries.
True. You have to have reasonable earnings after business expenses to worry about taxes- probably a 100k in business income, at least.
I can only hope taxes are a major issue for you next year.
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celticdragon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:34:34pm |
re: #71 elbruce
If we hadn't bailed out GM, we wouldn't have an auto industry in America. It wasn't the ideal choice, but it was the best of a tough set of options. Fortunately it happened to work out really well so far, so I don't see much point bitching about it. As long as we don't make it standard practice going forward.
Letting the entire auto industry go under isn't just about "letting the free market choose the winners and losers".
It also would have had real national security implications. We are not about to let foreign companies own and control all of the heavy auto industries in this country. No way...no how. We have to have American owned auto industry that can go onto a war footing in an emergency. That is something the "invisible hand" idiots never seem to take into account (to say nothing of social stresses and political reality).
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:34:45pm |
re: #97 sattv4u2
Where the hell did I complain at Obama because there aren't any jobs!?!?
If the only way you can "win" an argument is to make stuff up that someone said, we're done also!.
Sorry, I'm mixing up conservative criticisms of Obama there.
I'm sure that most of the people who wanted him to allow GM to fail aren't the same people who blame him for the unemployment rate... /
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:34:56pm |
re: #85 prairiefire
Which is to sit their selfish asses down on any spare cash, make people work 45 hour weeks, and still find a way to call it "part time" so the business doesn't have to pay for health care, pensions, or other benefits.
Yikes!
If you know someone working for a business like that, they need to find their local US Dept of Labor office, and file a complaint.
Seriously.
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celticdragon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:35:26pm |
re: #87 brookly red
well with all partisanship aside he is playing to his base (unions in this case) as any good politician would do. I don't hold it against him.
I always hold dishonest posturing against a person. I don't care what his or her political allegiance is.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:35:48pm |
re: #105 elbruce
Sorry, I'm mixing up conservative criticisms of Obama there.
I'm sure that most of the people who wanted him to allow GM to fail aren't the same people who blame him for the unemployment rate... /
So now that the 'put words in my mouth" gambit didn't work, you'll now trot out the Broad Brush!
neat!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:36:30pm |
re: #102 brookly red
exactly my point all flashy big numbers handed out to a few union "runway pavers" no jobs, just taxes.
Well then clearly we need to be spending more and more until there are too many jobs for union "runway pavers" to take them all....
By the way loving the union bashing on Labor day!
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:36:31pm |
He knew *exactly* what that quote was.
This is the guy who used Sam Cooke lyrics as a recurring motif in campaign speeches, and referenced them again in his election night address. (the left has their dog whistles, too).
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:36:34pm |
re: #100 prairiefire
Brookly, it may be "all debt" to the Federal Government, but it is food on the table and back to school clothes for all of the highway patrol, teachers, and infrastructure workers where the cash did go to. You know, real people.
well thats great but the problem is that the other real people don't have jobs to pay the taxes to pay the real people of the first part... they have run out of other peoples money.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:37:09pm |
re: #102 brookly red
exactly my point all flashy big numbers handed out to a few union "runway pavers" no jobs, just taxes.
I don't understand the common rhetorical method of putting a job title in scare quotes, then saying it's not a job. But I see it a lot from wingnuts. People earning money for doing useful work is a good thing. You can't convince anybody otherwise.
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:37:29pm |
re: #85 prairiefire
Which is to sit their selfish asses down on any spare cash, make people work 45 hour weeks, and still find a way to call it "part time" so the business doesn't have to pay for health care, pensions, or other benefits.
BS My neighbor works construction. His company keeps him on very part time and continues his benefits, sick wife and all. You need to get out and meet some new people. There are good great people all over America.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:38:10pm |
re: #112 elbruce
I don't understand the common rhetorical method of putting a job title in scare quotes, then saying it's not a job. But I see it a lot from wingnuts. People earning money for doing useful work is a good thing. You can't convince anybody otherwise.
Earning who's money?
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:38:42pm |
re: #108 sattv4u2
So now that the 'put words in my mouth" gambit didn't work, you'll now trot out the Broad Brush!
neat!
OK, fine. You advocate letting GM fail and you don't blame Obama for the unemployment rate. Happy now? How does this make you look any more reasonable?
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:38:42pm |
re: #104 celticdragon
Absolutely! The knee jerk military lovers forget we have a vital military complex. Which, come to find out, costs tax payer dollars to support.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:39:01pm |
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:39:38pm |
re: #100 prairiefire
Brookly, it may be "all debt" to the Federal Government, but it is food on the table and back to school clothes for all of the highway patrol, teachers, and infrastructure workers where the cash did go to. You know, real people.
Come on now, everyone knows that public sector jobs is all ebil and not real jobs like those private sector jobs.
/
BTW, the public sector lost more jobs last month while the private sector grew by 70,000.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:40:38pm |
re: #103 researchok
True. You have to have reasonable earnings after business expenses to worry about taxes- probably a 100k in business income, at least.
I can only hope taxes are a major issue for you next year.
Unlikely, but I hope so too. First of all, I want to buck the trend of QA houses paying and treating people like shit.
At every job I've ever worked at, 10% of the people did 90% of the work. I know a lot of those types that are out of work-- because they weren't busy brownnosing and making sure they looked good, or because they lack social skills in general.
So I want to pay above market and have better conditions than most implementation/QA houses, and keep those guys working for me.
This is all still in pipe-dream territory.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:40:39pm |
re: #114 Walter L. Newton
Earning who's money?
/well the governments of course, you know from the rich people...
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:41:15pm |
re: #55 HoosierHoops
I want an Audi now..I'm serious.. I've been completely brain washed...I've seen enough commercials that I would give up my first born Male child for a black convertible. *wink*
*GASP*
You have forsaken the BMW?
*waves*
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:41:29pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
I'm not sure it's just talking points, Killgore. Most bloggers don't know much about economics and rely heavily on their faction's economic analysis people. If a Republican announced a economic policy on the first day of a three day weekend, many liberal bloggers would hold some of their fire till Paul Krugman weighed in. If you don't know much about the issue, its better to wait to hear from your experts.
Elitist!!
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:41:49pm |
I got to get up early tomorrow. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:41:59pm |
re: #115 elbruce
OK, fine. You advocate letting GM fail and you don't blame Obama for the unemployment rate. Happy now? How does this make you look any more reasonable?
Where did I "advocate letting GM fail"?
I stated (factually) that monies from a profitable concern (Ford) may have ended up going to GM
I stated factually that IF GM had failed it would NOT be the end of the car industry in this country, as you stated
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:42:44pm |
re: #119 Obdicut
Unlikely, but I hope so too. First of all, I want to buck the trend of QA houses paying and treating people like shit.
At every job I've ever worked at, 10% of the people did 90% of the work. I know a lot of those types that are out of work-- because they weren't busy brownnosing and making sure they looked good, or because they lack social skills in general.
So I want to pay above market and have better conditions than most implementation/QA houses, and keep those guys working for me.
This is all still in pipe-dream territory.
How do you plan to compete with software based QA programs?
Seems to me that is big competition.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:43:14pm |
re: #118 webevintage
Come on now, everyone knows that public sector jobs is all ebil and not real jobs like those private sector jobs.
/BTW, the public sector lost more jobs last month while the private sector grew by 70,000.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
BS census worker were let go. and at 70k a month we will have full employment in... never, we graduate twice that into the workforce every month.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:43:36pm |
re: #96 Obdicut
Implementation and quality assurance. To get contracts I need to be able to hire people. To hire people I need to have a starter fund first. I'm speccing out my business plan now to see the minimum I can do it on, and then I'll try to get a loan through the SBA.
Tax is the absolute least of my worries.
Who is your target market? I'm working on an event at work right now that focuses on CPI and QA.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:43:41pm |
"We are searching, and we'll seek and destroy any threats to our way of life, here or abroad."
Vote for me, I love Metallica!
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:44:04pm |
re: #118 webevintage
Were there remnants of census workers to fall off the rolls? The private sector number is actually decent, as long as it grows in momentum. I think I heard that manufacturing was back up.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:45:09pm |
re: #119 Obdicut
By the way, you might want to consider market wages with a performance based bonus. Alternatively, you could offer profit sharing.
In either case, employees get more and you get to keep cash at hand longer- always a good idea.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:45:10pm |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
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Digital Display Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:45:42pm |
re: #101 b_sharp
Record the melody, and post.
Make it bluesy.
I love writing music..I've posted so many songs here over the last couple of years..Charles has been kind to allow me to post my words...He has never had to worry about my words showing up in Google..Cause they are original..
Search will bring you right here...Thanks Charles....
Just wait till I finish Highway 44.. It will rock..Well after I unpack the Strat next month
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:45:43pm |
re: #126 brookly red
BS census worker were let go. and at 70k a month we will have full employment in... never, we graduate twice that into the workforce every month.
So it's not a real job if it only lasts for a certain amount of time?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:46:13pm |
re: #118 webevintage
Come on now, everyone knows that public sector jobs is all ebil and not real jobs like those private sector jobs.
/BTW, the public sector lost more jobs last month while the private sector grew by 70,000.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
Most of those were temporary Census jobs. Others were cut to balance budgets. Just saying, no point being made.
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:46:24pm |
Just received a modification to an existing contract with the EPA requiring I place signs at job sites letting the publice know that their tax dollars are at work. Invest in sign companies!
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:46:53pm |
re: #133 jamesfirecat
So it's not a real job if it only lasts for a certain amount of time?
So much complaining, such vague solutions.
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:47:17pm |
re: #126 brookly red
BS census worker were let go. and at 70k a month we will have full employment in... never, we graduate twice that into the workforce every month.
Have we ever had full employment?
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:47:27pm |
the government as I explained to a gf of mine:
you make 60k a year. you need a car. you buy a 60k car. you can't make the payments. you take the fucking bus.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:47:36pm |
re: #128 TheMatrix31
"We are searching, and we'll seek and destroy any threats to our way of life, here or abroad."
Vote for me, I love Metallica!
Hello, Matrix! How's the land of wildfires and earthquakes tonight?
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:47:52pm |
re: #125 researchok
How do you plan to compete with software based QA programs?
Seems to me that is big competition.
Well, some of the guys I know are experts at automated test, so for pure software stuff we can do automated test as well as free testing. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by software-based QA programs.
But my background over the past four years is in actual physical stuff-- interactive children's toys. So, software-mediated physical objects-- toys, vending machines, automatic photo booths, cash registers, the like. For those, you can only automate so far-- you can do wear and tear and the like, but for 'how will humans interact with this in ways that might be problematic' you need actual people. I find that stuff more interesting, and there's a definite need for it.
Probably easier to start with pure software. Don't have to have a physical location yet, for one thing.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:48:02pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:48:35pm |
Swingset in the park is empty right now...
BBL.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:48:47pm |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:48:49pm |
re: #139 Dark_Falcon
Weather's pretty good, so that's all I can ask for!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:48:55pm |
re: #91 elbruce
You can't advocate chopping one of the few productive industries going in America by about a quarter and then complain at Obama because there aren't any jobs. Pick one. It also isn't very good for America if you leave the vast majority of the remaining auto industry foreign-owned.
I didn't see Satt advocate chopping the car industry. I saw him making a point that there are other viable car makers around, in response to your comment that if GM hadn't been bailed out, there would be NO auto industry in the US, which was a bit far-fetched.
71 elbruceIf we hadn't bailed out GM, we wouldn't have an auto industry in America.
Of course, these things always depend on exactly what industry it is we're talking about.
It's perfectly OK to advocate the complete shut-down of the oil industry. That one seems to be acceptable.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:49:18pm |
re: #127 Dark_Falcon
Who is your target market? I'm working on an event at work right now that focuses on CPI and QA.
Small software companies, toy companies, small device manufacturers.
But like I said, to get the contracts I need the monies to hire the staff. I mean, I can get the contracts so far along without it, especially with people who know me, but at a certain point I'll really have to have five or six guys ready to jump on and beat the hell out of the stuff.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:49:22pm |
re: #55 HoosierHoops
I want an Audi now..I'm serious.. I've been completely brain washed...I've seen enough commercials that I would give up my first born Male child for a black convertible. *wink*
If you know a capable mechanic, Audis are alright.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:49:47pm |
re: #105 elbruce
Sorry, I'm mixing up conservative criticisms of Obama there.
I'm sure that most of the people who wanted him to allow GM to fail aren't the same people who blame him for the unemployment rate... /
And the people complaining about the unspent stimulus funds can't possibly be the same people complaining about the out of control spending.
//
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:49:51pm |
re: #132 HoosierHoops
I love writing music..I've posted so many songs here over the last couple of years..Charles has been kind to allow me to post my words...He has never had to worry about my words showing up in Google..Cause they are original..
Search will bring you right here...Thanks Charles...
Just wait till I finish Highway 44.. It will rock..Well after I unpack the Strat next month
If you post it now, I can play with it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:50:08pm |
re: #138 brookly red
the government as I explained to a gf of mine:
you make 60k a year. you need a car. you buy a 60k car. you can't make the payments. you take the fucking bus.
///Yes, Micro-economic solutions always work when applied to macro-economic situations!
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:50:27pm |
re: #80 sattv4u2
One aspect of the GM bailout that the bailout opponents don't like to talk about is that had GM gone under, a number of very large automotive suppliers would have followed GM down the drain and that would have caused major disruptions to operations and cash flow at other automotive manufacturers including Ford and the other companies you mentioned. They act like GM would have gone away and everyone else would have just picked up the slack but that just shows how utterly ignorant they are about how the industry works. But of course, being ignorant on a subject never stopped Rush or Glen Beck from yapping about it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:50:30pm |
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:50:41pm |
re: #138 brookly red
the government as I explained to a gf of mine:
you make 60k a year. you need a car. you buy a 60k car. you can't make the payments. you take the fucking bus.
You are completely negating all those people on medicare and social security. They have a tangible benefit. Food, rent, and medicine.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:51:02pm |
re: #138 brookly red
the government as I explained to a gf of mine:
you make 60k a year. you need a car. you buy a 60k car. you can't make the payments. you take the fucking bus.
Heh, and when there's no local bus because it's was deemed "wasteful spending" by the Rs???
:)
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:51:25pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:51:47pm |
re: #135 compound idaho
Just received a modification to an existing contract with the EPA requiring I place signs at job sites letting the publice know that their tax dollars are at work. Invest in sign companies!
Fucking A!
signs rule!
-for rent
-grand opening
-help wanted
-yes we can!/hope and change!
-sale!
-for rent
yup signs rule!
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:51:49pm |
re: #140 Obdicut
Well, some of the guys I know are experts at automated test, so for pure software stuff we can do automated test as well as free testing. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by software-based QA programs.
But my background over the past four years is in actual physical stuff-- interactive children's toys. So, software-mediated physical objects-- toys, vending machines, automatic photo booths, cash registers, the like. For those, you can only automate so far-- you can do wear and tear and the like, but for 'how will humans interact with this in ways that might be problematic' you need actual people. I find that stuff more interesting, and there's a definite need for it.
Probably easier to start with pure software. Don't have to have a physical location yet, for one thing.
For some reason, I thought you were service industry oriented. My mistake.
As for need, you are right. QA is becoming more and more relevant. The folks at Zappo, for example, are a tetament to that.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:52:40pm |
"I will not rest until each and every one feels the benefits of my comprehensive reform. Everybody deserves to enjoy the promises of this great nation. I will not be a Harvester of Sorrow. I will be a harvester of prosperity and success."
/Vote for me. I REALLY like Metallica.
//it's really easy to write speeches
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:52:41pm |
TS Hermine is making landfall just south of Brownsville:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]
Looks like TX will get plenty of rain.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:53:17pm |
re: #151 mich-again
One aspect of the GM bailout that the bailout opponents don't like to talk about is that had GM gone under, a number of very large automotive suppliers would have followed GM down the drain and that would have caused major disruptions to operations and cash flow at other automotive manufacturers including Ford and the other companies you mentioned. They act like GM would have gone away and everyone else would have just picked up the slack but that just shows how utterly ignorant they are about how the industry works. But of course, being ignorant on a subject never stopped Rush or Glen Beck from yapping about it.
Taxpayers likely to face initial loss on GM IPO (Fri Sep 3, 2010)
(Reuters) - The U.S. government is likely to take a loss on General Motors Co in the first offering of the automaker's stock, six people familiar with preparations for the landmark IPO said.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:53:26pm |
re: #151 mich-again
a number of very large automotive suppliers would have followed GM down the drain
Not necessarily
Lets use an easy round number
Lets say there are 100 cares per week sold in the US
IF GM had gone under Ford et al would have gotten a bigger share of the 100
They would have needed more supplies
Those same suppliers would have shifted their output from GM parts to Ford parts,,, OR ,, their competitor that supplies Ford with parts would have had to expand
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:53:32pm |
re: #91 elbruce
It also isn't very good for America if you leave the vast majority of the remaining auto industry foreign-owned.
re: #104 celticdragon
It also would have had real national security implications. We are not about to let foreign companies own and control all of the heavy auto industries in this country. No way...no how. We have to have American owned auto industry that can go onto a war footing in an emergency. That is something the "invisible hand" idiots never seem to take into account (to say nothing of social stresses and political reality).
I favored the GM bailout, but I don't understand why is it important for our national security to have these industries owned by Americans. What difference does it make who owns the factories?
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:53:40pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:54:11pm |
re: #162 Nimed
re: #104 celticdragon
I favored the GM bailout, but I don't understand why is it important for our national security to have these industries owned by Americans. What difference does it make who owns the factories?
Because if they're not owned by America we can't nationalize them and tell them to make tanks for us should we need to....
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:54:54pm |
re: #150 jamesfirecat
///Yes, Micro-economic solutions always work when applied to macro-economic situations!
2 + 2 still = 4 any way you cut it smart ass... get used to the fact your lifestyle is going down.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:55:03pm |
re: #165 jamesfirecat
Because if they're not owned by America we can't nationalize them and tell them to make tanks for us should we need to...
SOCIALISM!...
Wait...
Dammit!!!
/Wingnut heads asplode.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:55:21pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
a number of very large automotive suppliers would have followed GM down the drain
Not necessarily
Lets use an easy round number
Lets say there are 100 cares per week sold in the US
IF GM had gone under Ford et al would have gotten a bigger share of the 100
They would have needed more supplies
Those same suppliers would have shifted their output from GM parts to Ford parts,,, OR ,, their competitor that supplies Ford with parts would have had to expand
I hope that all those Republican GM car dealership owners got the message from that they were shit out of luck as far as their Republican brethren were concerned.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:55:28pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:55:38pm |
re: #167 brookly red
2 + 2 still = 4 any way you cut it smart ass... get used to the fact your lifestyle is going down.
What 'lifestyle" is that exactly?
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:55:59pm |
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:56:11pm |
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:56:34pm |
My 18 year old and 16 year old sons were in a bad car accident last Friday. The car was severely damaged, I'm sure the insurance company will total it. Good news, they both walked away from the accident without a scratch. All the airbags and restraints worked, the car crumpled just like they show in the commercials. We are blessed and my wife and I feel like we dodged a bullet. The car was a base model Chevy Cobalt, from the GM plant in Ohio. I'm going to buy another Chevy to replace it. I'm a fan for life after that incident.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:57:59pm |
re: #146 Obdicut
Small software companies, toy companies, small device manufacturers.
But like I said, to get the contracts I need the monies to hire the staff. I mean, I can get the contracts so far along without it, especially with people who know me, but at a certain point I'll really have to have five or six guys ready to jump on and beat the hell out of the stuff.
OK. The thing I'm working on is for defense and government. If we do run a private sector QA event, I'll make sure to let you know. No pressure of course; I'll simply ask you if you have interest and if so I'll turn my nic blue so you can send an email.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:58:00pm |
re: #171 jamesfirecat
What 'lifestyle" is that exactly?
The lifestyle of "spending more money helps the economy" that the Rs have been pushing???
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:58:07pm |
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:58:17pm |
re: #174 mich-again
Yikes. Glad to hear your boys are okay.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:58:19pm |
re: #165 jamesfirecat
Because if they're not owned by America we can't nationalize them and tell them to make tanks for us should we need to...
That's just it -- I don't know why we can't. If we're talking about a scenario in which nationalizing and converting the factories would be necessary, I don't think it would make a difference whether we were doing it to Americans of foreign nationals.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:59:07pm |
re: #106 reine.de.tout
Hey, good to see you tonight. Guess what? One of those MRE's saved our picnic today. Got out to the state park and no matches to light the charcoal. BUT there was one of the MRE's in the trunk & they still put them in the accessory packet. My son actually liked the cheese spread & crackers and the pound cake. It was better than my memories of MRE's in the past; then again, I wasn't in the rain somewhere with a broken vehicle or some other less than amusing memory... ;)
Maybe next time I can make him some Ranger Pudding ... :eek:
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:59:07pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:59:38pm |
re: #180 Nimed
That's just it -- I don't know why we can't. If we're talking about a scenario in which nationalizing and converting the factories would be necessary, I don't think it would make a difference whether we were doing it to Americans of foreign nationals.
If we do it to foreign nationals that's bound to have REALLY unfun consequences with whatever foreign nation the owners belonged to....
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 6:59:44pm |
re: #165 jamesfirecat
Because if they're not owned by America we can't nationalize them and tell them to make tanks for us should we need to...
Actually, if they're in America we could order they to undertake military production. We'd have to pay the owners, though.
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Digital Display Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:00:07pm |
re: #149 b_sharp
If you post it now, I can play with it.
We will have to jam on line when I get unpacked..
I love playing music...And writing songs.. I have never been shy...I never had Charles Skills..And trust me..I have seen the scales he has played..I'm not stupid...I have tried..and failed to play them.. I still write fun tunes in major keys...
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:00:25pm |
re: #176 Dark_Falcon
Well, until I get a loan to get the business up and going, I won't have much use for an event. So we'll see how quick I manage it.
Until then, I've got my implementation work to keep my wife and I in extra-hot salsa.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:00:30pm |
re: #180 Nimed
That's just it -- I don't know why we can't. If we're talking about a scenario in which nationalizing and converting the factories would be necessary, I don't think it would make a difference whether we were doing it to Americans of foreign nationals.
excuse me but even in the darkest days of WW2 nationalizing was not necessary.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:00:37pm |
re: #178 brookly red
re: #173 freetoken
whatever. now who wants to tell me that running up a huge debt is good for the economy? step right up!
A booming economy has generated massive tax revenues, and President Bill Clinton now predicts that it would take the government just 16 years to reduce the public debt to zero.
...
There were times when prudent governments issued debt only to finance wars. However, during the global economic depression of the 1930s, an English academic, John Maynard Keynes, came forward with a revolutionary idea.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:00:40pm |
re: #174 mich-again
Glad to hear your family is OK!
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:01:29pm |
re: #145 reine.de.tout
It's perfectly OK to advocate the complete shut-down of the oil industry. That one seems to be acceptable.
I certainly don't think we should completely shut it down. We should certainly develop viable alternatives. If we've shifted mostly or entirely to an alternative-energy economy in a few decades, I won't shed a tear.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:01:45pm |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
Actually, if they're in America we could order they to undertake military production. We'd have to pay the owners, though.
But the government would have to pay American owners too, right?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:01:47pm |
re: #165 jamesfirecat
Because if they're not owned by America we can't nationalize them and tell them to make tanks for us should we need to...
You mean like Chavez couldn't nationalize the foreign oil companies?
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steve_davis Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:01:50pm |
re: #20 Charles
The BBC Sessions version of this absolutely smokes, by the way. Both Hendrix and Cream just absolutely had phenomenal sound on those Top of the Pops, even if the recording quality is primitive by today's standards. Heck, now that I think about it, the Led Zeppelin BBC sessions stuff is really good as well, so apparently for a bunch of recording engineers who at the time were all probably trained to do work with chamber groups and orchestras, they did some nice work with rock and roll!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:02:20pm |
re: #189 Walter L. Newton
A booming economy has generated massive tax revenues, and President Bill Clinton now predicts that it would take the government just 16 years to reduce the public debt to zero.
...
There were times when prudent governments issued debt only to finance wars. However, during the global economic depression of the 1930s, an English academic, John Maynard Keynes, came forward with a revolutionary idea.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Walter your deadplan delivery leaves me unsure if you're in favor or against Keynes' idea....
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:02:22pm |
re: #167 brookly red
2 + 2 still = 4 any way you cut it smart ass... get used to the fact your lifestyle is going down.
Not in quantum physics it doesn't. Change the scale, all the rules have to be readjusted.
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alexknyc Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:02:48pm |
re: #100 prairiefire
Brookly, it may be "all debt" to the Federal Government, but it is food on the table and back to school clothes for all of the highway patrol, teachers, and infrastructure workers where the cash did go to. You know, real people.
As one of those teachers, my paycheck is an extra $64 a month, thanks to the lowering of my tax rate.
Every little bit helps but let's not pretend it's any kind of windfall.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:03:18pm |
The parallel universe Jimi Hendrix: Ms. Zoe Keating
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:03:41pm |
re: #174 mich-again
My 18 year old and 16 year old sons were in a bad car accident last Friday. The car was severely damaged, I'm sure the insurance company will total it. Good news, they both walked away from the accident without a scratch. All the airbags and restraints worked, the car crumpled just like they show in the commercials. We are blessed and my wife and I feel like we dodged a bullet. The car was a base model Chevy Cobalt, from the GM plant in Ohio. I'm going to buy another Chevy to replace it. I'm a fan for life after that incident.
And say thank you to Ralph Nader.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:03:58pm |
re: #188 brookly red
excuse me but even in the darkest days of WW2 nationalizing was not necessary.
If nationalizing isn't necessary, then it doesn't make any difference whether the factories are owned by Americans or Japanese. What I'm saying is that I don't understand why it matters who owns the companies for national security purposes.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:04:23pm |
re: #165 jamesfirecat
Because if they're not owned by America we can't nationalize them and tell them to make tanks for us should we need to...
I think the problem is that if they were foreign-owned, and if we were in a conflict with their home country, we'd have to nationalize them. And we'd rather avoid having to do that.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:04:35pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:04:51pm |
re: #192 Nimed
But the government would have to pay American owners too, right?
OK now think about what you just said. Government & have to in the same sentence. hahahahahah!
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:05:31pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
Say for example a seat supplier went under, it would affect a number of automotive manufacturers almost immediately. All parts are made just-in-time, there is no stockpile of parts to draw from. It would take weeks to move operations to other suppliers. And its not just seat suppliers. Steel suppliers, chassis components, paint and sealers, etc. Nearly all suppliers operate on wafer thin margins. To have suddenly lost all the GM and Chrysler business would have brought many of the suppliers down. I'm pretty sure Ford execs in Dearborn breathed a sigh of relief at news of the Government bailout of GM and Chrysler.
You are underestimating the complexity of the situation.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:06:08pm |
re: #197 alexknyc
As one of those teachers, my paycheck is an extra $64 a month, thanks to the lowering of my tax rate.
Every little bit helps but let's not pretend it's any kind of windfall.
64 bucks a month should just about cover the hike in transit...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:06:38pm |
It's going to be 37 degrees (f) tonight... yep... summer is over... right on schedule...
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:07:03pm |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
It's going to be 37 degrees (f) tonight... yep... summer is over... right on schedule...
Nice.
I like cold.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:07:21pm |
re: #178 brookly red
re: #173 freetoken
whatever. now who wants to tell me that running up a huge debt is good for the economy? step right up!
Well, spending is stimulative. And infrastructure spending is better than other kinds.
But Bush kind of left Obama behind the 8-ball on that one, leaving him with 2 wars, a massive deficit and an economic collapse. That makes it much harder (and riskier) to do the only thing that's going to get the economy back, but that doesn't make it any less necessary.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:07:26pm |
re: #187 Obdicut
Well, until I get a loan to get the business up and going, I won't have much use for an event. So we'll see how quick I manage it.
Until then, I've got my implementation work to keep my wife and I in extra-hot salsa.
My younger brother, a much better guitarist than I am, and I trade accompaniments. He'll write a melody, which can be anything from a simple pattern of chord changes on a guitar, to a more complex arrangement with guitar, piano, bass and drums and then put a lead to it, each on its own track. I'll then mute one or more tracks and put my own stuff down, and send it back. Then we'll reverse our roles.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:08:02pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:08:29pm |
Updates on the Four Mile Canyon fire in Boulder County Colorado...
[Link: www.pinecam.com...]
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:08:53pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:08:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:09:32pm |
re: #187 Obdicut
Well, until I get a loan to get the business up and going, I won't have much use for an event. So we'll see how quick I manage it.
Until then, I've got my implementation work to keep my wife and I in extra-hot salsa.
OK. If you need any help out Chicago-way, let me know.
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ErikJ76 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:09:34pm |
I wonder what the numbers of new jobs in the private sector would be if there hadn't been a Wall Street bailout, a Detroit bailout, or a stimulus package.
I mean, the private sector would obviously react positively to a Wall Street crash, GM going under, and no stimulus jobs as long as Bush's tax cuts would be extended and the estate tax abolished.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:09:37pm |
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:09:42pm |
re: #203 brookly red
OK now think about what you just said. Government & have to in the same sentence. hahahahahah!
Do you think the nationality of company owners (or where the headquarters is) matters either way?
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:10:01pm |
re: #207 Varek Raith
There is a steep gulch and small stream behind my mom's house. On a windy fall night, I could lean over 45 degrees over the stream and be held up by the wind. I love Fall.
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:10:16pm |
re: #204 mich-again
Many companies have gone through bankruptcy and come out on the other side. This was mostly about union contracts and pensions.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:10:41pm |
re: #212 jamesfirecat
Me three.
///You can always put on another layer, but if I take off any more layers than I'm wearing right now the police might get involved...
In the 90's here all this week.
Summer here gets old.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:10:41pm |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
Wait... wait... wait... are you going to be here tonight?
No.
I'm still way over in Virginia.
It's been in the 90s here.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:10:53pm |
James - your lifestyle is GOING DOWN!
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:11:02pm |
re: #202 prairiefire
Who wants to tell me that cutting taxes on the wealthiest and keeping regional wars off the accounting books is good for the economy?
OK so tell me since the 60's I have been hearing that war was for profit. (no war for oil etc.) so we got 2 wars going and about to start a 3rd (oh yes we are) why is there no profit? Where is the military industrial complex? Why does war cost money when it was supposed to be for profit?
Hmmmm somebody fuckedup.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:11:13pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:11:15pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:11:23pm |
re: #132 HoosierHoops
I sent you, ANOTHER mail.
*SIGH*
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:12:00pm |
re: #223 brookly red
OK so tell me since the 60's I have been hearing that war was for profit. (no war for oil etc.) so we got 2 wars going and about to start a 3rd (oh yes we are) why is there no profit? Where is the military industrial complex? Why does war cost money when it was supposed to be for profit?
Hmmm somebody fuckedup.
It's not profit to the US gov't, it's profit to Boeing and Halliburton and Blackwater.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:12:07pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:12:18pm |
re: #219 compound idaho
Many companies have gone through bankruptcy and come out on the other side. This was mostly about union contracts and pensions.
But someone has to protect those contracts and pensions. We can't just let those people who have been paying in all these years to just go... well... broke... I mean, look at all the 401k's we save when Wall Street went bust a year ago... remember all those people who we saved their life savings?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:12:37pm |
re: #227 sagehen
It's not profit to the US gov't, it's profit to Boeing and Halliburton and Blackwater.
I believe you me Xe.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:12:38pm |
re: #223 brookly red
OK so tell me since the 60's I have been hearing that war was for profit. (no war for oil etc.) so we got 2 wars going and about to start a 3rd (oh yes we are) why is there no profit? Where is the military industrial complex? Why does war cost money when it was supposed to be for profit?
Hmmm somebody fuckedup.
Instead of mimicking satirical "Leftist" opinions, why don't you develop a few of your own.
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ErikJ76 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:13:15pm |
re: #184 jamesfirecat
If we do it to foreign nationals that's bound to have REALLY unfun consequences with whatever foreign nation the owners belonged to...
That's easy to fix, just make sure that the owners are from the foreign nations the US are most likely to end up going to war with. ;)
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:13:28pm |
re: #227 sagehen
It's not profit to the US gov't, it's profit to Boeing and Halliburton and Blackwater.
so the market is soaring! right?
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:13:39pm |
re: #199 sagehen
And say thank you to Ralph Nader.
Well, he did get the ball rolling.. I told the kids that 20 years ago they probably wouldn't have lived through that accident.
Thanks for the kind words everyone.. Everyone always seems to talk about bad news. I thought I'd share that story just to say how lucky we all feel here. As for the demolished car or the money it will cost, who gives a crap about that stuff. They make a car every minute at the factory, and the government prints more money every day.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:13:52pm |
re: #223 brookly red
OK so tell me since the 60's I have been hearing that war was for profit. (no war for oil etc.) so we got 2 wars going and about to start a 3rd (oh yes we are) why is there no profit? Where is the military industrial complex? Why does war cost money when it was supposed to be for profit?
Hmmm somebody fuckedup.
The profits aren't for the nation. They're for the companies that profit from the war.
Like Halliburton, who moved their HQ to Dubai.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:14:29pm |
re: #235 Obdicut
The profits aren't for the nation. They're for the companies that profit from the war.
Like Halliburton, who moved their HQ to Dubai.
Dubai, the land that law forgot....
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:14:33pm |
re: #181 wlewisiii
Hey, good to see you tonight. Guess what? One of those MRE's saved our picnic today. Got out to the state park and no matches to light the charcoal. BUT there was one of the MRE's in the trunk & they still put them in the accessory packet. My son actually liked the cheese spread & crackers and the pound cake. It was better than my memories of MRE's in the past; then again, I wasn't in the rain somewhere with a broken vehicle or some other less than amusing memory... ;)
Maybe next time I can make him some Ranger Pudding ... :eek:
Good to hear it!
No, they aren't too bad at all. But there's enough food, really for two people.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:14:44pm |
re: #231 prairiefire
Instead of mimicking satirical "Leftist" opinions, why don't you develop a few of your own.
you didn't just get here you know my opinions just fine so don't play that
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:15:28pm |
re: #191 elbruce
I certainly don't think we should completely shut it down. We should certainly develop viable alternatives. If we've shifted mostly or entirely to an alternative-energy economy in a few decades, I won't shed a tear.
Neither will I; it needs to be done.
But right now - it's pretty much shut down.
And will be for the forseeable future, probably even after the official moratorium ends, I suspect.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:15:54pm |
re: #227 sagehen
It's not profit to the US gov't, it's profit to Boeing and Halliburton and Blackwater.
Yep, but they use that money to build more oil rigs, hire new contractors, and develop new aircraft, so the profits do benefit the nation.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:16:07pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:17:08pm |
Right wing blogs are going insane over this quote. It's a dogpile of sheer stupidity. Example:
Who’s a good president? Obama’s a good president, isn’t he? Yes he is!
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:17:12pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but they use that money to build more oil rigs, hire new contractors, and develop new aircraft, so the profits do benefit the nation.
Rules of Acquisition #34 - War is good for business.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:17:19pm |
re: #238 brookly red
I see jumps in logic to comfortable positions. Not a true accounting of the costs and benefits.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:18:11pm |
re: #244 prairiefire
I see jumps in logic to comfortable positions. Not a true accounting of the costs and benefits.
I see talking points and blah blah blah.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:18:58pm |
re: #223 brookly red
OK so tell me since the 60's I have been hearing that war was for profit. (no war for oil etc.) so we got 2 wars going and about to start a 3rd (oh yes we are) why is there no profit? Where is the military industrial complex? Why does war cost money when it was supposed to be for profit?
Hmmm somebody fuckedup.
You're confusing the State with the industries themselves. It's trivially true that wars are good for the arms industry.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:19:04pm |
re: #243 Varek Raith
Rules of Acquisition #34 - War is good for business.
Well that's doubtlessly more comfortable than some other Rule 34's I could name....
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:19:11pm |
re: #219 compound idaho
Many companies have gone through bankruptcy and come out on the other side. This was mostly about union contracts and pensions.
Who exactly do you think was going to come in and fund a reorganization of that magnitude at that time? It would have gone belly up.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:19:12pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but they use that money to build more oil rigs, hire new contractors, and develop new aircraft, so the profits do benefit the nation.
And then they move their headquarters to Dubai.
They're a global company. Not a US company. So no, what you said is not accurate.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:19:52pm |
Update from Steve... Update from Steve... Update from Steve...
I called Steve yesterday before going to work, I left a message, and I got an email from him today... I will edit out some stuff so everyone can have an good idea what is going on, without overstepping my bounds...
-------
...pain, lots of pain and doctor appointments....my sister leaves tomorrow and I'll be on my own hopping on one leg with a walker
the plan was to remove the leg, flap it over and sew it up, which he did....next day it was back to the OR to remove infected tissue that unavoidably was part of the remainder, so now I have another large open wound at the end of my stump which is healing via a wound vac...in itself very painful....I can't catch a break, it's all about pain
in a week or two I'll know more but I suspect the docs will close the wound with a graft, my 8th surgery
meanwhile, I am very uncomfortable, cannot sleep or feed myself properly and dread my wound care appointments because of the resulting pain, every Mon, Wed, and Fri
**** will help out with all that stuff, but I still have to rely on transport services to get me to the hospital and back....that shit starts this week, very humbling...all I want is some comfort, a bit less pain, and some light at the end of the tunnel....they say it's just around the corner but it's been over two years now
I am so wiped out I can barely talk on the phone so sorry about that...
----
So, a little complication since he hit home, but still moving forward, pain appears to be his most annoying things right now.
For those who are inclined, prayers are good, for those not inclined, punt.
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Digital Display Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:19:53pm |
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simoom Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:20:07pm |
The weird thing about this one is does the RW blogosphere see themselves as a "powerful interest who has been dominating the agenda of Washington for a very long time"? If not, is it that they are somehow outraged in those special interest's stead?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:20:21pm |
re: #243 Varek Raith
Rules of Acquisition #34 - War is good for business.
Then why do the Ferengi suck at it? In just about every game I've seen, they lack the training facilities the Federation or the Klingons have. So they may have lots of ships, but those ships have crews as green as grass.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:20:30pm |
re: #242 Charles
Right wing blogs are going insane over this quote. It's a dogpile of sheer stupidity. Example:
Who’s a good president? Obama’s a good president, isn’t he? Yes he is!
Revolting.
And stupid to boot.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:20:34pm |
re: #233 brookly red
so the market is soaring! right?
for those companies, oh yes it is. It most certainly is.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:20:36pm |
re: #243 Varek Raith
Rules of Acquisition #34 - War is good for business.
Rules of Acquisition #35 - Peace is good for business.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:21:05pm |
re: #246 Nimed
You're confusing the State with the industries themselves. It's trivially true that wars are good for the arms industry.
wrongo I have stock in all these "evil" companies who by the way pay a lot of taxes... you are just serving kool aid.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:21:07pm |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
Then why do the Ferengi suck at it? In just about every game I've seen, they lack the training facilities the Federation or the Klingons have. So they may have lots of ships, but those ships have crews as green as grass.
Maybe it's because they are ugly?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:21:35pm |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
Prayers for his healing & comfort.
Bless you for staying in contact & keeping us up to date!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:21:40pm |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
Then why do the Ferengi suck at it? In just about every game I've seen, they lack the training facilities the Federation or the Klingons have. So they may have lots of ships, but those ships have crews as green as grass.
You don't have to fight a war for it to be good for business just
1: Sit back, establish yourself as a non combatant.
2: Sell arms to both sides.
3: Profit!
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:21:51pm |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
They spend too much time filing their teeth pointy.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:21:54pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:23:15pm |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
Then why do the Ferengi suck at it? In just about every game I've seen, they lack the training facilities the Federation or the Klingons have. So they may have lots of ships, but those ships have crews as green as grass.
Rules of Acquisition #35 - Peace is good for business.
;)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:23:32pm |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
Thanks for the update, Walter.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:23:58pm |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
Oh, man. Additional prayers on the way.
Do you know if there's anything concrete we can do to help without invading his privacy or embarrassing him?
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:24:14pm |
re: #235 Obdicut
How bizarre. An oil service company moves their headquarters to the middle east. Lots of oil there. Business friendly environment. Stay in the US with lots of regulation and taxes and more on the way. Go figure.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:25:20pm |
re: #268 compound idaho
How bizarre. An oil service company moves their headquarters to the middle east. Lots of oil there. Business friendly environment. Stay in the US with lots of regulation and taxes and more on the way. Go figure.
Yeah.
Screw America.
9_9
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:25:22pm |
re: #242 Charles
Right wing blogs are going insane over this quote. It's a dogpile of sheer stupidity. Example:
Who’s a good president? Obama’s a good president, isn’t he? Yes he is!
That was predictable. Dailycaller seems lost in a Purple Haze:
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:26:20pm |
re: #253 simoom
The weird thing about this one is does the RW blogosphere see themselves as a "powerful interest who has been dominating the agenda of Washington for a very long time"? If not, is it that they are somehow outraged in those special interest's stead?
what is a special interest? Is PETA? is Planned Parenthood? Amnesty International? or do you only use that term for the NRA? Do tell.
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ErikJ76 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:26:42pm |
Phase 1: Wall Street Crash, Detroit Crash, no stimulus package
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Unemployment falling drastically, Economy rebounding, etc (and Profit)
I'm still hoping that someone would be able to fill in Phase 2. And preferable nothing that has to do either with WW3, welcoming our new Chinese overlords, or cockroaches being busy ruling the earth after WW3.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:27:03pm |
re: #258 brookly red
wrongo I have stock in all these "evil" companies who by the way pay a lot of taxes... you are just serving kool aid.
I didn't claim they are evil, and I find it very doubtful that arms companies did worse than the DJIA in the last, say, 10 years. Which specific companies are you talking about?
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:27:34pm |
re: #257 Obdicut
Rules of Acquisition #35 - Peace is good for business.
Ai, peace is better for business. As well as humanity.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:27:56pm |
re: #268 compound idaho
How bizarre. An oil service company moves their headquarters to the middle east. Lots of oil there. Business friendly environment. Stay in the US with lots of regulation and taxes and more on the way. Go figure.
Yes. An oil company moves their headquarters to a federation of seven absolute monarchies with insane human rights abuses, not to mention actual honest-to-gosh Sharia law.
But good news! It's the most 'liberal' place with Sharia law.
And they don't like Jews, and don't allow Israelis to visit.
Maybe the oil company could have some ethics?
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:28:15pm |
re: #274 prairiefire
Ai, peace is better for business. As well as humanity.
No. You see, the Federation is beyond the concepts of money.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:28:25pm |
re: #263 brookly red
link?
[Link: www.informationclearinghouse.info...]
[Link: www.halliburtonwatch.org...]
[Link: www.thinkandask.com...]
[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
[Link: motherjones.com...]
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:28:35pm |
re: #273 Nimed
I didn't claim they are evil, and I find it very doubtful that arms companies did worse than the DJIA in the last, say, 10 years. Which specific companies are you talking about?
you want my stock picks? you pay like everyone else :)
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:29:05pm |
re: #272 ErikJ76
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:07pm |
re: #276 Varek Raith
No. You see, the Federation is beyond the concepts of money.
No, the Federation is still years away. 350 BBY?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:15pm |
re: #276 Varek Raith
No. You see, the Federation is beyond the concepts of money.
And how their economy works is never explained. Gene Roddenberry seemed to think that we'd simply transcend the need for economics. Not bloody likely.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:26pm |
re: #242 Charles
Right wing blogs are going insane over this quote. It's a dogpile of sheer stupidity. Example:
Who’s a good president? Obama’s a good president, isn’t he? Yes he is!
I never thought I would see the day. It's 2010 and the right wing is acting like the caricature of itself from the 1960s.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:38pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
That was before all the manufacturing went off shore.
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Kragar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:53pm |
re: #247 jamesfirecat
Well that's doubtlessly more comfortable than some other Rule 34's I could name...
Rule 34 should never apply to Genestealer Cults, but it apparently does.
/shudder
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:59pm |
As for Obama's "dog" quote, I think it was below the President to talk like that in a speech. He can say whatever he wants, but this will just feed the fire. I expect to see wingnuts start photoshopping his face onto Basset Hounds and Chihuahuas and Poodles.
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:30:59pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s (commonly referred to as the S&L crisis) was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls aka thrifts). A Savings and Loan is a financial institution in the United States that accepts savings deposits and makes mortgage, car and other personal loans to individual members - a cooperative venture known in the United Kingdom as a Building Society. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $160.1 billion, about $124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the US government via a financial bailout under the leadership of George H.W. Bush—that is, the US taxpayer provided the funding for the bailout, either directly or through charges on their savings and loan accounts and increased taxes[1]—which contributed to the large budget deficits of the early 1990s.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:31:16pm |
re: #281 Dark_Falcon
And how their economy works is never explained. Gene Roddenberry seemed to think that we'd simply transcend the need for economics. Not bloody likely.
U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion
XD
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:32:41pm |
re: #242 Charles
Right wing blogs are going insane over this quote. It's a dogpile of sheer stupidity. Example:
Who’s a good president? Obama’s a good president, isn’t he? Yes he is!
Jim Treacher = Raging Asshole
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:33:22pm |
re: #285 mich-again
As for Obama's "dog" quote, I think it was below the President to talk like that in a speech. He can say whatever he wants, but this will just feed the fire. I expect to see wingnuts start photoshopping his face onto Basset Hounds and Chihuahuas and Poodles.
Remember when he referenced JayZ, wiping off his shoulder? "Entourage" used to be his favorite show. Maybe he wanted to live vicariously? I think our Chief Executive has been around the block a few times.
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:33:46pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:34:17pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
dude it is my job to hash mellows, uh huh
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:34:51pm |
re: #282 Gus 802
I never thought I would see the day. It's 2010 and the right wing is acting like the caricature of itself from the 1960s.
You have a point- but it's a two way street.
It isn't as if Mr Obama is the first president that has been trashed in a very inappropriate way.
Treacher is a jerk, but he hardly stands out.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:34:53pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
"Economic boom for 20 years" is a silly thing to say. G.H.W. Bush got only one term primarily because the recovery from that recession was considered too anemic ("it's the economy, stupid" - remember that?). Clinton oversaw eight years of strong growth, ended by a dot-com collapse which occurred almost as soon as G.W. Bush got into office. So if you say that the recover started much earlier than it did and then pretend another crash didn't happen... But that recession was nothing compared to this one.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:34:55pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:35:52pm |
re: #23 compound idaho
I want to be treated like one of my dogs. Its a good life for sure.
I once had my ESL class write about what animal they would want to be. One of my little boys from China said he would want to be a dog...but only an American dog.
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:35:53pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
Besides the S&L stuff already brought up, one thing to keep in mind is that anytime a government runs a deficit it is indeed "stimulating" the economy through borrowing. Just because such spending is not identified with the tag word "stimulus" doesn't mean it is not one.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:36:04pm |
re: #293 researchok
You have a point- but it's a two way street.
It isn't as if Mr Obama is the first president that has been trashed in a very inappropriate way.
Treacher is a jerk, but he hardly stands out.
Perhaps for you. But for me it stands out. I've been following politics since the mid 1980s. It's the way I see it and that's all that counts.
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Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:36:18pm |
Tonight's Purple (non) Haze — The Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
Way too bad that Hendrix died with so much music still to go.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:36:45pm |
re: #286 Obdicut
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Oh yeah, there were a lot of really massive industry bailouts surrounding that crash too, weren't there?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:36:53pm |
re: #281 Dark_Falcon
And how their economy works is never explained. Gene Roddenberry seemed to think that we'd simply transcend the need for economics. Not bloody likely.
It works when you've got the Enterprise which is basically a gigantic arcraft carrier or battleship and you see them all going to people who wouldn't have the same currency anyway...
With DS9... not so much....
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:37:14pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
The financial meltdown of 2008 and the stock market crash of 1987 are two different animals.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:37:24pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:37:50pm |
re: #55 HoosierHoops
I want an Audi now..I'm serious.. I've been completely brain washed...I've seen enough commercials that I would give up my first born Male child for a black convertible. *wink*
Does Jordan know he's getting traded? Or is he not the oldest?
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Obdicut Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:37:58pm |
re: #290 compound idaho
Chump change. I talkin trillions baby!
Wow. In other words, you were totally wrong, completely wrong, and you just don't care. You don't care about the facts, you don't care that there was a bailout, it doesn't even matter to you that you were wrong.
First of all: There wasn't a bailout because the stock market was failing. There was a bailout because the credit markets were freezing up. Money was ceasing to flow.
Second of all: Your claim was there was no bailout. There was a bailout of the S&L banks. Under George Bush I.
Seriously, do most people just prefer to forget the S&L crisis, or what? I barely hear anyone reference it.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:38:02pm |
re: #293 researchok
You have a point- but it's a two way street.
It isn't as if Mr Obama is the first president that has been trashed in a very inappropriate way.
Treacher is a jerk, but he hardly stands out.
I had hoped the Daily Caller would prove to be above that sort of schoolyard taunting, is all. It's disappointing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:38:25pm |
re: #61 HappyWarrior
Haha love having a president that can quote Hendrix.
I suspect Clinton could have, and maybe W., they just didn't.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:38:38pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
Perhaps for you. But for me it stands out. I've been following politics since the mid 1980s. It's the way I see it and that's all that counts.
Politics is a cesspool.
It doesn't matter on what side of that cesspool you stand, the stench is equally nauseating.
The left has not taken the high road in this game.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:38:59pm |
re: #301 jamesfirecat
It works when you've got the Enterprise which is basically a gigantic arcraft carrier or battleship and you see them all going to people who wouldn't have the same currency anyway...
With DS9... not so much...
It's not a battleship.
It's an Enhanced Deterrence Exploration Vessel.
/Federation Mamby Pamby Talk.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:39:08pm |
re: #294 elbruce
"Economic boom for 20 years" is a silly thing to say. G.H.W. Bush got only one term primarily because the recovery from that recession was considered too anemic ("it's the economy, stupid" - remember that?). Clinton oversaw eight years of strong growth, ended by a dot-com collapse which occurred almost as soon as G.W. Bush got into office. So if you say that the recover started much earlier than it did and then pretend another crash didn't happen... But that recession was nothing compared to this one.
Do remember that the dot-com recession was already underway when GWB took office. This is being said to prevent some "George W Bush was an utter failure who failed from start to finish" meme.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:39:13pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Instapundit is outraged by Obama's statement but I can't quite figure out what he's going for.
Obama opened his mouth, hence, Instapundit is outraged.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:39:27pm |
re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist
I suspect Clinton could have, and maybe W., they just didn't.
Carter listened to Led Zeppelin in the WH.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:39:30pm |
re: #306 Obdicut
Seriously, do most people just prefer to forget the S&L crisis, or what?
John McCain has built quite an extensive political career on people forgetting he was one of the Keating Five, yes.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:39:45pm |
President Obama is only 40 days or so older than me. I think I've always seen US Presidents as a father type figure. It is crazy that he is 49.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:39:46pm |
re: #299 Ojoe
Tonight's Purple (non) Haze — The Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
Way too bad that Hendrix died with so much music still to go.
I real shame. We lost many musicians too soon. Hendrix's music will stay popular forever.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:40:12pm |
re: #309 researchok
Politics is a cesspool.
It doesn't matter on what side of that cesspool you stand, the stench is equally nauseating.
The left has not taken the high road in this game.
That doesn't matter. When I was freaking out about the left giving Bush a hard time I wasn't thinking about what the right was doing with Clinton. Honestly. I was only focused no the antagonist of the time. Right now that antagonist is the right. That's why I focus on them right now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:40:21pm |
re: #79 brookly red
you and I are done. I have standards to keep & the same lame freshman arguments just don't cut it. Did you really think that was an original thought, please go back and tell your liberal arts professor to update his stuff.
Brookly, are you really so cutting edge with your own material as all that?
;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:40:31pm |
I have had the same problem all day here. WTF?
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:40:34pm |
re: #307 elbruce
I had hoped the Daily Caller would prove to be above that sort of schoolyard taunting, is all. It's disappointing.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:40:58pm |
If any industry thrived in the Bush years, it was the military complex.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:40:59pm |
re: #318 Gus 802
That doesn't matter. When I was freaking out about the left giving Bush a hard time
I wasn't thinking about what the right was doing with Clinton.Honestly. I was only focused no the antagonist of the time. Right now that antagonist is the right. That's why I focus on them right now.
That is I wasn't thinking about what the right did with Clinton.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:41:03pm |
re: #311 Dark_Falcon
Do remember that the dot-com recession was already underway when GWB took office. This is being said to prevent some "George W Bush was an utter failure who failed from start to finish" meme.
t did hit the markets just after he got into the big chair. But I don't blame that one on him at all - what was he supposed to do, regulate dotcom startups? I should certainly hope not.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:41:11pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:41:26pm |
re: #90 researchok
No issue with that.
Still, you did say, "They even talk about the clothes you wear, Mr. President."
You did see his biking attire, right?
/
Remember the mom jeans?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:41:28pm |
re: #314 elbruce
John McCain has built quite an extensive political career on people forgetting he was one of the Keating Five, yes.
Cheap shot. He committed no crime and was repeatedly reelected after that.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:41:52pm |
re: #313 Cannadian Club Akbar
Carter listened to Led Zeppelin in the WH.
I didn't know that. Very cool!
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:42:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:42:08pm |
re: #307 elbruce
I had hoped the Daily Caller would prove to be above that sort of schoolyard taunting, is all. It's disappointing.
Concur.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:43:03pm |
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:43:13pm |
re: #318 Gus 802
That doesn't matter. When I was freaking out about the left giving Bush a hard time I wasn't thinking about what the right was doing with Clinton. Honestly. I was only focused no the antagonist of the time. Right now that antagonist is the right. That's why I focus on them right now.
You aren't wrong. Personally, I find the remarks appalling. If I were Tucker Carlson, I'd fire the guy.
My remarks were intended to provide perspective.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:43:23pm |
re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist
Brookly, are you really so cutting edge with your own material as all that?
;)
I don't mind criticism from people I respect :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:43:36pm |
re: #118 webevintage
Come on now, everyone knows that public sector jobs is all ebil and not real jobs like those private sector jobs.
/BTW, the public sector lost more jobs last month while the private sector grew by 70,000.
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
Must have something to do with the census.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:43:38pm |
Sigh.
Kitteh is getting into trouble. I can hear it clear over here...
BBL
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:43:45pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:44:17pm |
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:44:19pm |
The most precious commodity for the economy is confidence. The dollar itself is based on it. Thats why I find it ironic that the same people beating the drum day and night about how bad the economy is and how corrupt and inept the Government is complain that the Government is doing enough to improve the economy.
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:44:56pm |
re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist
Obama
opened his mouthis President, hence, Instapundit is outraged.
Heh.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:45:07pm |
re: #334 researchok
You aren't wrong. Personally, I find the remarks appalling. If I were Tucker Carlson, I'd fire the guy.
My remarks were intended to provide perspective.
OK Guess I provided some perspective on my own views since I admitted to "freaking out" about the Bush criticisms. I try to be "fair and balanced" in the day to day world. I don't like to see presidents maligned while in office.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:45:17pm |
re: #340 mich-again
The most precious commodity for the economy is confidence. The dollar itself is based on it. Thats why I find it ironic that the same people beating the drum day and night about how bad the economy is and how corrupt and inept the Government is complain that the Government is doing enough to improve the economy.
I like gold...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:45:24pm |
re: #338 CuriousLurker
What problem is that?
Now it's fine. I can't even pull up the top and bottom comments. Before, I could post but no preview and it would send me back to the top of the page.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:46:29pm |
re: #340 mich-again
The dollar is actually stronger than under Bush.
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Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:47:18pm |
but this is Obama at his best.
Well ...
I wish it were way better than that.
Gravitas? Leadership? Big Picture focus?
Any of that in
"They talk about me like a dog?"
This is tragic all around.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:47:18pm |
re: #279 compound idaho
Wall Street crash 1987 (-25%). No stimulus. Not Bailout. Economic boom for 20 years under both democrats and rebulicans.
Excuse me?
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:47:37pm |
re: #332 b_sharp
I hope that was a Zep reference.
no I think a brokeback reference... don't worry I will smite at the time and place of MY choosing :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:47:41pm |
re: #227 sagehen
It's not profit to the US gov't, it's profit to Boeing and Halliburton and Blackwater.
But private companies produce wealth, so that's OK.
///
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:48:00pm |
re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar
Now it's fine. I can't even pull up the top and bottom comments. Before, I could post but no preview and it would send me back to the top of the page.
Weird. Computers can be annoying like that sometimes. With web sites it often helps if you clear your browser cache (and sometimes even cookies for the site in question), and then close & restart the browser.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:48:24pm |
re: #310 Varek Raith
It's not a battleship.
It's an Enhanced Deterrence Exploration Vessel.
/Federation Mamby Pamby Talk.
What was Commodore Perry commanding when he visited Japan?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:48:30pm |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
Dubai, the land that law forgot...
They've got laws. They just focus on important things, like tourists having sex on the beach.
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researchok Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:48:57pm |
re: #343 Gus 802
OK Guess I provided some perspective on my own views since I admitted to "freaking out" about the Bush criticisms. I try to be "fair and balanced" in the day to day world. I don't like to see presidents maligned while in office.
I don't like to see them disrespected even out office.
Free speech is one thing, respect for the office holders is another.
You can beat up on Gore or Cheney without going into the sewers.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:49:00pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:49:04pm |
re: #347 Ojoe
Well ...
I wish it were way better than that.
Gravitas? Leadership? Big Picture focus?
Any of that in
"They talk about me like a dog?"
This is tragic all around.
It was a Jimi quote.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:49:12pm |
re: #352 CuriousLurker
Weird. Computers can be annoying like that sometimes. With web sites it often helps if you clear your browser cache (and sometimes even cookies for the site in question), and then close & restart the browser.
It happened to Hoosier Hoops this morning as well. I've run Nortons and everything else.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:50:37pm |
re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist
They've got laws. They just focus on important things, like tourists having sex on the beach.
And tourists not drinking a sex on the beach.
(Do they forbid liquor, because if they don't that joke sort of falls flat...)
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:51:28pm |
re: #347 Ojoe
Well ...
I wish it were way better than that.
Gravitas? Leadership? Big Picture focus?
Any of that in
"They talk about me like a dog?"
No, there were none of those things in the seven words you lifted out of his 39 minute speech...
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:51:45pm |
re: #358 Cannadian Club Akbar
It happened to Hoosier Hoops this morning as well. I've run Nortons and everything else.
turn left in the maze, then right, right, left , right & left... you will find a food pellet. remember in this maze you only get feed at left ;)
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:51:53pm |
re: #289 prairiefire
Remember when he referenced JayZ, wiping off his shoulder? "Entourage" used to be his favorite show. Maybe he wanted to live vicariously? I think our Chief Executive has been around the block a few times.
Remember when Hillary's supporters insisted that was a hugely sexist gesture, that it was a reference in particular to
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:52:13pm |
re: #360 jamesfirecat
And tourists not drinking a sex on the beach.
(Do they forbid liquor, because if they don't that joke sort of falls flat...)
Here when people are having sex on the beach, you just step over them. Or break out a camera.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:52:13pm |
re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist
But private companies produce wealth, so that's OK.
///
And it all trickles down. To the stockholders, who throw it into the bank, or buy more stocks.
Oh, yes, it may create some entry level jobs making a subsistence income.
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:52:17pm |
re: #344 brookly red
I like gold...
Gold doesn't lose its value, but it doesn't gain much either.
I have some gold I bought at $150 an ounce (adjusted for inflation, that's about $600 and ounce). Could have made a lot more in mutual funds.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:52:45pm |
re: #362 brookly red
turn left in the maze, then right, right, left , right & left... you will find a food pellet. remember in this maze you only get feed at left ;)
NASCAR maze?
/
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:53:16pm |
re: #360 jamesfirecat
Only at bars/establishments attached to hotels. Perhaps tourist only?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:53:42pm |
re: #366 jaunte
Gold doesn't lose its value, but it doesn't gain much either.
I have some gold I bought at $150 an ounce (adjusted for inflation, that's about $600 and ounce). Could have made a lot more in mutual funds.
I bought at $400 and sold at $425. 8 month period.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:53:45pm |
re: #358 Cannadian Club Akbar
It happened to Hoosier Hoops this morning as well. I've run Nortons and everything else.
Hmm, then it probably was a cache issue, though it could have been a browser bug of some sort (i.e. if a change was made to the code that was somehow incompatible with your browser, and then fixed later). I use Firefox on Win7 and haven't experienced any problems with the site lately.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:54:24pm |
re: #363 sagehen
Remember when Hillary's supporters insisted that was a hugely sexist gesture, that it was a reference in particular to
[Video]
Do we have any pumas in the house?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:54:45pm |
re: #371 CuriousLurker
Today was the only day. Running FF and XP.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:54:57pm |
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:56:27pm |
re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar
Today was the only day. Running FF and XP.
Sounds like browser cache then. Sometimes it'll right itself as old stuff gets pushed out and replaced with new.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:57:20pm |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
Thanks for keeping us posted, Walter.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:57:40pm |
re: #375 CuriousLurker
Sounds like browser cache then. Sometimes it'll right itself as old stuff gets pushed out and replaced with new.
When I jump on LGF, it was messed up. But after a few minutes all was fine.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:58:00pm |
re: #374 brookly red
no there you just go left left left & gobble fuel...
And wear out the right side wheel bearings.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:58:39pm |
re: #370 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bought at $400 and sold at $425. 8 month period.
I have been buying since 380... sold some bought more & still have most. I have no job thanks to gubermint fiddelfucking so if I gotta sell an ounce now and then it's OK. Silver is the better buy now.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:58:53pm |
re: #378 b_sharp
And wear out the right side wheel bearings.
You put bigger tires on the right side. For those who didn't know.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 7:59:47pm |
re: #378 b_sharp
And wear out the right side wheel bearings.
turning left always puts undue stress on the right side that supports it.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:00:04pm |
re: #372 prairiefire
Do we have any pumas in the house?
Don't think so, the only self-identified Hillary supporters here did come around to Obama in the end.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:00:43pm |
re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar
You put bigger tires on the right side. For those who didn't know.
In open wheel on an oval, all four tires are different sizes (at least in Champ cars they were).
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:00:53pm |
Did swamprat flounce? Because someone is using that nic over at the Stalker Blog.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:01:17pm |
re: #382 sagehen
Don't think so, the only self-identified Hillary supporters here did come around to Obama in the end.
Most of them did. There were a few who were pissed off and voted against Obama if I remember correctly.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:01:34pm |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Did swamprat flounce? Because someone is using that nic over at the Stalker Blog.
swamprat
This user is blocked.
Karma: 5,901
Registered since: Dec 17, 2005 at 4:49 pm
No. of comments posted: 8,677
No. of links posted: 9
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:01:53pm |
Great NatGeo show on. With the FBI agent who interrogated Saddam.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:02:10pm |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Did swamprat flounce? Because someone is using that nic over at the Stalker Blog.
Which one? I found out last night there are 4 or 5 of those now.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:03:00pm |
re: #386 Gus 802
swamprat
This user is blocked.
Karma: 5,901
Registered since: Dec 17, 2005 at 4:49 pmNo. of comments posted: 8,677
No. of links posted: 9
Shit. Another person who I valued goes stalker-crazy. I hate when that happens. It just sucks.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:03:07pm |
re: #383 b_sharp
In open wheel on an oval, all four tires are different sizes (at least in Champ cars they were).
drag racing is the best! no left no right just straight and fast
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:03:10pm |
re: #387 Cannadian Club Akbar
Great NatGeo show on. With the FBI agent who interrogated Saddam.
Great college football game on ESPN right now. Team with the ball last wins!
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:03:27pm |
re: #387 Cannadian Club Akbar
Great NatGeo show on. With the FBI agent who interrogated Saddam.
I wanted to see that. I bet it will be on a few more times this week. I'm watching a very entertaining football game on ESPN right now.
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Kragar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:04:33pm |
re: #390 brookly red
drag racing is the best! no left no right just straight and fast
I still am impressed by how they can run in those heels and dresses.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:04:50pm |
re: #390 brookly red
drag racing is the best! no left no right just straight and fast
Each style of racing has its draws. I like open wheel because of the speeds and danger. I like drags because of the speed and the power. Nascar - meh.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:05:07pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:05:11pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:05:28pm |
re: #388 NJDhockeyfan
Which one? I found out last night there are 4 or 5 of those now.
"The Blogmocrasy". When I say "Stalker Blog" that's the one I mean. The site filled with LGF hate and hate for anything they don't agree with.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:06:08pm |
re: #389 Dark_Falcon
Shit. Another person who I valued goes stalker-crazy. I hate when that happens. It just sucks.
///It must be a lot like being an investigator in a Call of Cthulu game and watching everyone around you start foaming at the mouth...
(No seriously I feel for you...)
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:06:13pm |
An article that has been making the rounds today in blogland, and since economics is part of the thread, recommended:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:06:29pm |
re: #394 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I still am impressed by how they can run in those heels and dresses.
I generally like the boas.
/
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:06:38pm |
re: #363 sagehen
Remember when Hillary's supporters insisted that was a hugely sexist gesture, that it was a reference in particular to
[Video]
Actually, it was a reference to
Intentionally changing the song is a pretty cheap tactic, but the PUMA's were going kind of crazy for a while there.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:07:36pm |
re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar
I generally like the boas.
/
Reticulated is cool, but I prefer the anacondas.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:08:15pm |
re: #400 Dark_Falcon
"The Blogmocrasy". When I say "Stalker Blog" that's the one I mean. The site filled with LGF hate and hate for anything they don't agree with.
I knew about that one. I just learned there are a few others too. I just don't understand why someone leaves a blog then spends a lot of time talking about it on another one.
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freetoken Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:08:19pm |
re: #389 Dark_Falcon
Shit. Another person who I valued goes stalker-crazy. I hate when that happens. It just sucks.
Lots of people who have come through LGF have unresolved Daddy or anger issues.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:08:36pm |
re: #389 Dark_Falcon
Shit. Another person who I valued goes stalker-crazy. I hate when that happens. It just sucks.
it is what it is, I can see how some suffer under the constant assault, but I also disrespect weakness.
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avanti Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:09:53pm |
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #407 freetoken
Lots of people who have come through LGF have unresolved Daddy or anger issues.
cheap shot even from you, and that ain't saying much.
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Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:12:07pm |
"They talk about me like a dog."
— Barak Obama.
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
— Harry Truman.
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Max Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:12:29pm |
Sweet!
A few of my comments from the General Petraeus thread got into the Top 10 section. My first time ever!
Badass!
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:12:36pm |
re: #396 b_sharp
Out of all the major forms of automobile racing, I like NASCAR the best. Closest thing to the typical American's daily commute. Now my very favorite type of racing is the Figure 8 races at the Flat Rock Speedway down the road from me, but thats kind of a niche market.
By far the most boring racing is Formula One. Just aboout no passing whatsoever, the races end pretty much like they start. Its one big parade. yaaaawwwwwn. The Euros can have it. Its silly to even have the races. Just save all the effort and give the trophy to whoever qualifies first.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:12:57pm |
re: #411 Ojoe
"They talk about me like a dog."
— Barak Obama."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
— Harry Truman.
now comment just wanted to see it posted again
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:13:43pm |
re: #415 brookly red
now comment just wanted to see it posted again
I think Obama is only talking about how hot the kitchen is.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:13:52pm |
re: #411 Ojoe
"They talk about me like a dog."
— Barak Obama."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
— Harry Truman.
Politics is a bloodsport. There is no crying in a bloodsport.
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Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:14:53pm |
re: #415 brookly red
What is this self-pitying stuff in the current President? You can read it that way, and it is nothing a leader can afford to indulge in, and I am dismayed to see it.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:15:09pm |
re: #411 Ojoe
"They talk about me like a dog."
— Barak Obama."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
— Harry Truman.
That was the best post I have seen in months. Anyone who has a problem with it should be an easy pick off.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:16:18pm |
re: #414 mich-again
Out of all the major forms of automobile racing, I like NASCAR the best. Closest thing to the typical American's daily commute. Now my very favorite type of racing is the Figure 8 races at the Flat Rock Speedway down the road from me, but thats kind of a niche market.
By far the most boring racing is Formula One. Just aboout no passing whatsoever, the races end pretty much like they start. Its one big parade. yaaawwwn. The Euros can have it. Its silly to even have the races. Just save all the effort and give the trophy to whoever qualifies first.
F1 has been boring since they got rid of the slicks in an effort to slow the cars down. Indy is the best open wheel now, and there is lots of passing on both the road courses and the ovals. Even though they attempt to keep the speeds down, the engineers still find ways of reaching >250 on the ovals.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:16:27pm |
re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar
Politics is a bloodsport. There is no crying in a bloodsport.
re: #418 Ojoe
What is this self-pitying stuff in the current President? You can read it that way, and it is nothing a leader can afford to indulge in, and I am dismayed to see it.
Guys. I'm sorry but give me a fucking break.
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avanti Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:16:52pm |
re: #412 prairiefire
Hey, Avanti, hope you are well.
Just fine thanks, had a good Studebaker day working on one that sat for a few years. She took a short spin this after noon. I swear, these old cars have a personality, this one seems to appreciate the attention, some others fight you with every turn of the wrench.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:18:48pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:19:18pm |
re: #418 Ojoe
What is this self-pitying stuff in the current President? You can read it that way, and it is nothing a leader can afford to indulge in, and I am dismayed to see it.
I didn't see any self pity. I did see him poke fun at his opposition's ineffectual complaints about inconsequential aspects of his life.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:19:44pm |
re: #418 Ojoe
I think Obama came off sounding like a big whiner with his "They talk about me like a dog" comment. Put on your big boy pants Mr. President.
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Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:19:50pm |
"I'm not a crook."
— Richard Nixon
(Equal time for Republicans, lest anyone think I'm biased one way or another in the puerile D vs. R games.)
BBL
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:19:54pm |
Boo Hoo Fuckin Woo... I am so sensitive. Sniff Sniff...
are the drones ready to launch? I need to kill some nameless people thousands of miles away.
I am not buying the softie stuff.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:19:55pm |
re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. The President is the only one to get a verbal beat down. Sorry Gus, we will have to disagree. But it's cool.:)
Yeah.
Drink!
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:20:12pm |
re: #411 Ojoe
"They talk about me like a dog."
— Barak Obama."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
— Harry Truman.
"If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."
— Lyndon Johnson
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:20:37pm |
re: #423 avanti
I am hoping that "back to school" clothes Internet buying picks up. Halloween is usually a good selling season. Folks have been holding on to their nickles and dimes!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:20:59pm |
re: #409 avanti
BTW Dark, I know you like Naval history, here's a bit on my cruiser, the Newport News helping the "Peter Perth" We flattened a lot of real estate for the Aussie's after that.
Bit of an error on the part of the NVA, I'd say. They did a little damage, but then caught a rain of 8" whoop-ass. Thanks much for posting that.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:21:19pm |
re: #426 mich-again
I think Obama came off sounding like a big whiner with his "They talk about me like a dog" comment. Put on your big boy pants Mr. President.
Watch it again. He was laughing, as was the crowd. Its pretty tough to whine and laugh at the same time.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:21:24pm |
re: #426 mich-again
I think Obama came off sounding like a big whiner with his "They talk about me like a dog" comment. Put on your big boy pants Mr. President.
I hope to God he never has to face Putin in our defense.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:21:54pm |
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:22:00pm |
re: #433 b_sharp
Watch it again. He was laughing, as was the crowd. Its pretty tough to whine and laugh at the same time.
Lets let them underestimate him, again.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:22:09pm |
re: #433 b_sharp
Watch it again. He was laughing, as was the crowd. Its pretty tough to whine and laugh at the same time.
Just don't bother him when he's eating waffles.
/
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DaddyLawBucks Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:22:32pm |
re: #419 brookly red
That's crap. No president in recent memory has been subjected to the barrage of racism and hate that Obama has drawn. If you don't see it that way, your eyes are closed.
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:22:47pm |
I'm pretty sure the 'they talk about me like a dog' quote was a rally the troops talk, not a self-pity speech.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:23:22pm |
re: #439 jaunte
I'm pretty sure the 'they talk about me like a dog' quote was a rally the troops talk, not a self-pity speech.
He was testifying more or less.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:23:26pm |
re: #433 b_sharp
Its pretty tough to whine and laugh at the same time.
No, not really. He was preaching to the choir, complaining about how mean the other guys were treating him. To me it sounded like Uncle Scar rallying the hyenas.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:23:39pm |
re: #438 daddylawbucks
That's crap. No president in recent memory has been subjected to the barrage of racism and hate that Obama has drawn. If you don't see it that way, your eyes are closed.
buh by
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:25:16pm |
re: #438 daddylawbucks
That's crap. No president in recent memory has been subjected to the barrage of racism and hate that Obama has drawn. If you don't see it that way, your eyes are closed.
No kidding... you are so right... anytime someone has a problem with his policies or his ideological principles... well, you know what I mean... you find another racist for sure... considering some of the polls I've read lately, we can assume that over 50 percent of the country are racially motivated and bigoted.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:25:17pm |
re: #438 daddylawbucks
That's crap. No president in recent memory has been subjected to the barrage of racism and hate that Obama has drawn. If you don't see it that way, your eyes are closed.
George Bush was slammed every day by the press and the left. Did he ever whine about it?
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:25:58pm |
re: #441 mich-again
No, not really. He was preaching to the choir, complaining about how mean the other guys were treating him. To me it sounded like Uncle Scar rallying the hyenas.
Show me the clips.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:26:14pm |
I love this place.
Screw you!!
Fuck you!!
You're an asshole!!
You suck. Let's get a beer!!
OK!!
///Har
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:26:22pm |
re: #446 Max D. Reinhardt
Sorry to say that "captdiggs" didn't fare so well.
Yeah. This might sound weird but I kind of feel bad for him.
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captdiggs Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:26:47pm |
re: #439 jaunte
I'm pretty sure the 'they talk about me like a dog' quote was a rally the troops talk, not a self-pity speech.
It was divisive and not very presidential.
You want to rally the troops, tell them what you have to offer, not whine over what "they" say.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:26:50pm |
re: #445 NJDhockeyfan
George Bush was slammed every day by the press and the left. Did he ever whine about it?
Does throwing people out of town halls because he didn't like their t-shirt count as whining?
Or setting up "free speech zones" down the block where he wouldn't have to even see the protesters?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:27:16pm |
re: #449 Gus 802
Yeah. This might sound weird but I kind of feel bad for him.
Did he get the boot or just piled on?
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:27:23pm |
They treat me like a dog? The so called leader of the free (not for much longer) world whining like a puppy. Dear God please protect us from evil cause our leaders are not up to the task! This is a fucking disgrace & I hope people don't die over it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:27:52pm |
re: #360 jamesfirecat
And tourists not drinking a sex on the beach.
(Do they forbid liquor, because if they don't that joke sort of falls flat...)
I think you can drink, but you need to be in a bar in a hotel or a private home...and you have to have some kind of license to have liquor in your home...it's a little complicated.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:28:01pm |
re: #451 sagehen
Does throwing people out of town halls because he didn't like their t-shirt count as whining?
Or setting up "free speech zones" down the block where he wouldn't have to even see the protesters?
The Dems set up the pens in 2004.
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:28:22pm |
re: #450 captdiggs
It was a Democratic rally, preparing for the midterm elections.
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captdiggs Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:28:29pm |
re: #446 Max D. Reinhardt
Sorry to say that "captdiggs" didn't fare so well.
*yawn*
Like I care.
You know, there's more to life than a blog message board.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:28:59pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:29:06pm |
re: #372 prairiefire
Do we have any pumas in the house?
Not really. I finally voted for Obama.
My mother didn't, she just couldn't go there after we lost Hillary.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:29:28pm |
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DaddyLawBucks Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:29:47pm |
re: #444 Walter L. Newton
I'm not saying that what Obama does is past criticism, or that I agree with everything he does. I am saying that the amount of hate speech, race based cartoons, (remember the CD from the RNC?) etc is over the top. Not every critic is a racist, agreed. But there are a mob of racists, and neo-racists that are flavoring their politics with racism and venting their bigotry.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:29:55pm |
I am an idiot. In case you guys didn't get the memo.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:30:16pm |
Anyway. Thought it was pretty cool of Obama to use that phrase. You might think it's a negative but in other circles it's a positive. It's relative.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:30:34pm |
re: #464 daddylawbucks
I'm not saying that what Obama does is past criticism, or that I agree with everything he does. I am saying that the amount of hate speech, race based cartoons, (remember the CD from the RNC?) etc is over the top. Not every critic is a racist, agreed. But there are a mob of racists, and neo-racists that are flavoring their politics with racism and venting their bigotry.
Ted Rall/ Condi Rice.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:30:34pm |
re: #418 Ojoe
What is this self-pitying stuff in the current President? You can read it that way, and it is nothing a leader can afford to indulge in, and I am dismayed to see it.
I see it as calling them out. The speech certainly didn't strike me as self-pitying in any way, not how it was delivered. One would have to lift only those seven words out of context of the rest of it and then re-characterize that phrase in a completely different way to "read it that way." Which you have here done.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:31:06pm |
OK so we have a guy that in theory can look at a NORAD report & decide if we should launch or not... I am truly afraid.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:31:09pm |
re: #451 sagehen
Both parties have pushed aside protesters at their national conventions. Thats not just a GOP practice. Remember the "Freedom Cage" in Denver?
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:31:09pm |
re: #444 Walter L. Newton
No kidding... you are so right... anytime someone has a problem with his policies or his ideological principles... well, you know what I mean... you find another racist for sure... considering some of the polls I've read lately, we can assume that over 50 percent of the country are racially motivated and bigoted.
Bullshit Walter, he didn't say anything like that. He made a point that Obama has been under a barrage of crap from racists, unlike any other president. Any extrapolation of that to include everybody who complains about his policies is all yours.
Would you like to dispute that Obama has been under attack from racists? Would you like to dispute those attacks are more vociferous than in other administrations?
Well then do so.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:32:09pm |
re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist
Not really. I finally voted for Obama.
My mother didn't, she just couldn't go there after we lost Hillary.
My mom had a monumental shift in August, 2008. She had to pull the lever in Nov. and it sure as heck was not going to be for anyone other than a Democrat. I had a big smile on my face when she told me she would vote for Obama. "Well, duhh!"
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:32:53pm |
re: #472 b_sharp
Obviously he's been the subject of racist attacks, more than anyone else. He IS the first African-American President after all.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:33:20pm |
re: #471 mich-again
Both parties have pushed aside protesters at their national conventions. Thats not just a GOP practice. Remember the "Freedom Cage" in Denver?
Now we're up to NORAD? We go from a Jimi Hendrix quote at a campaign rally. An off the cuff unscripted comment to being afraid of his potential response to an air attack, i.e. a NORAD alert?
Hmmmm.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:33:24pm |
re: #474 TheMatrix31
Obviously he's been the subject of racist attacks, more than anyone else. He IS the first African-American President after all.
I thought Bill Clinton was?
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blueraven Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:33:41pm |
re: #52 compound idaho
Give it back to those that earned it. Think about what is being proposed now. Take money from profitable companies and loan it to failing ones, or even worse subsidized loan to their competators (GM etc). Bad idea.
How is that being proposed? Taking money from profitable business? My understanding of the new small business program is that funding is the result of closing tax loopholes for companies that ship jobs overseas.
Are you in favor of that tax loophole?
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:34:23pm |
re: #451 sagehen
Does throwing people out of town halls because he didn't like their t-shirt count as whining?
Or setting up "free speech zones" down the block where he wouldn't have to even see the protesters?
Wasn't the WH press manipulated as well? Scripted questions and such?
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:34:38pm |
re: #473 prairiefire
My mom had a monumental shift in August, 2008. She had to pull the lever in Nov. and it sure as heck was not going to be for anyone other than a Democrat. I had a big smile on my face when she told me she would vote for Obama. "Well, duhh!"
My family switched in September -- I'd spent all summer trying to talk them into Obama but they weren't buying. They were McCainiacs. Until they started getting some of the background info on Sarah Palin.
For some of them, it was the first time they'd ever voted Dem in their lives.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:35:16pm |
re: #434 brookly red
I hope to God he never has to face Putin in our defense.
I don't think they'll wrestle or anything. All Obama has to do is...simply...press...the...button.
As Vulcan said.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:35:41pm |
re: #478 b_sharp
Wasn't the WH press manipulated as well? Scripted questions and such?
You mean the gay hooker with press credentials?
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:35:47pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:35:48pm |
re: #453 brookly red
They treat me like a dog? The so called leader of the free (not for much longer) world whining like a puppy. Dear God please protect us from evil cause our leaders are not up to the task! This is a fucking disgrace & I hope people don't die over it.
You're being a bit melodramatic aren't you?
What exactly did Obama mean by that comment?
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:35:50pm |
re: #439 jaunte
I'm pretty sure the 'they talk about me like a dog' quote was a rally the troops talk, not a self-pity speech.
Of course it was, but we now know what the "talking points" are.
He's a whiner and needs to put on his big boy pants man and "oh my god! how will he ever face Putin?".
sheesh.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:36:03pm |
re: #472 b_sharp
Bullshit Walter, he didn't say anything like that. He made a point that Obama has been under a barrage of crap from racists, unlike any other president. Any extrapolation of that to include everybody who complains about his policies is all yours.
Would you like to dispute that Obama has been under attack from racists? Would you like to dispute those attacks are more vociferous than in other administrations?
Well then do so.
What's your problem B_sharp... never heard this before? "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist", if you don't agree with this or that, you're racist.
I have some of the most non-racist bones in my body you'll ever see, and I'm getting tired of the implications.
So...
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avanti Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:36:15pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:36:16pm |
re: #470 brookly red
OK so we have a guy that in theory can look at a NORAD report & decide if we should launch or not... I am truly afraid.
Now we're up to NORAD? We go from a Jimi Hendrix quote at a campaign rally. An off the cuff unscripted comment to being afraid of his potential response to an air attack, i.e. a NORAD alert?
Hmmm.
There, fixed.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:36:21pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:36:23pm |
re: #483 sagehen
You mean the gay hooker with press credentials?
I remember that. Dudes web site scared me.
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blueraven Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:37:08pm |
re: #434 brookly red
I hope to God he never has to face Putin in our defense.
I doubt he will look deep into his eyes and read his soul.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:37:40pm |
re: #470 brookly red
OK so we have a guy that in theory can look at a NORAD report & decide if we should launch or not... I am truly afraid.
What? Who said that? He's been perfectly decisive when necessary.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:38:07pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
I'm getting tired of the implications.
So...
GETTING tired? I was accused of being a racist my last 3 visits to LGF before tonight.
I was tired of it by 2007.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:38:15pm |
re: #494 elbruce
What? Who said that? He's been perfectly decisive when necessary.
And when was that?
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:38:20pm |
re: #459 sagehen
at the top of the thread, dude.
No. I mean a side by side comparison of Obama's speech and Uncle Scar's talk to the Hyenas, so I can hear the similarities between the two as has been claimed.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:38:50pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
What's your problem B_sharp... never heard this before? "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist", if you don't agree with this or that, you're racist.
I have some of the most non-racist bones in my body you'll ever see, and I'm getting tired of the implications.
So...
If you're Rush Limbaugh, and your declared reason for opposing Obamacare is that you think it's reparations... then yeah, I'd call that pretty racist.
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:38:53pm |
re: #470 brookly red
OK so we have a guy that in theory can look at a NORAD report & decide if we should launch or not... I am truly afraid.
really?
I'm just going to assume that a sac tag was missed, because if not this is just a ridiculous statement.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:06pm |
re: #495 TheMatrix31
GETTING tired? I was accused of being a racist my last 3 visits to LGF before tonight.
I was tired of it by 2007.
Only because you hate brown skins.
/just wrong
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:07pm |
re: #485 b_sharp
You're being a bit melodramatic aren't you?
What exactly did Obama mean by that comment?
Not at all, he indulged in self pity... OK for you or me, not for a ahem, commander in chief. sorry
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:22pm |
re: #496 Walter L. Newton
And when was that?
Never mind... when he took three months to decide to send more troops to... someplace... I forgot.
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captdiggs Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:25pm |
re: #474 TheMatrix31
Obviously he's been the subject of racist attacks, more than anyone else. He IS the first African-American President after all.
People have short memories.
The moonbats were raging for eight years burning and hanging effigies of Bush, calling him "Hitler", calling for him to be assassinated, but you couldn't call it racist.
Now, if the same happens with an Obama effigy, it has to be racism.
Both are equally offensive, by the way.
Granted, there are people who don't like blacks in the US and don't like a black president, but racism is the smallest part of criticism of Obama.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:37pm |
re: #453 brookly red
They treat me like a dog? The so called leader of the free (not for much longer) world whining like a puppy. Dear God please protect us from evil cause our leaders are not up to the task! This is a fucking disgrace & I hope people don't die over it.
Oh, please. Someone is going to die because Obama pointed out that he's being attacked by his political opposition?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:40pm |
re: #441 mich-again
No, not really. He was preaching to the choir, complaining about how mean the other guys were treating him. To me it sounded like Uncle Scar rallying the hyenas.
As this lead to "be prepared" does this make you comment Godwin's law by way of Disney?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:43pm |
re: #483 sagehen
You mean the gay hooker with press credentials?
That was more a failure of those that hired him that the White House. The WH didn't get any softballs from him. nor did they pull strings for him. It was a just a left-wing "Outrageous Outrage!!!1".
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:39:56pm |
re: #498 sagehen
Well good thing I'm not Rush Limbaugh then.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:40:08pm |
re: #502 Walter L. Newton
Never mind... when he took three months to decide to send more troops to... someplace... I forgot.
Yeah and it took the 2006 election to finally figure out that Rumsfeld had to go. What's that about 3 years?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:40:25pm |
re: #498 sagehen
If you're Rush Limbaugh, and your declared reason for opposing Obamacare is that you think it's reparations... then yeah, I'd call that pretty racist.
As far as I know, Walter is not Rush.
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prairiefire Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:40:43pm |
re: #506 Dark_Falcon
Didn't he visit the White House something like 23 times?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:41:12pm |
re: #492 blueraven
I doubt he will look deep into his eyes and read his soul.
//Putin has no need for something as frail as a soul!
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:41:23pm |
Apparently to a wingnut, being "Presidential" means willing to nuke the world before you know all the facts. Or say, invade a sovereign nation before you know all the facts. They seem to take that term as being synonymous with "stupid."
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:41:38pm |
re: #470 brookly red
OK so we have a guy that in theory can look at a NORAD report & decide if we should launch or not... I am truly afraid.
Yah, as if Obama would allow missiles to be launched against North America.
I think you presume too much.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:41:46pm |
re: #508 Gus 802
Yeah and it took the 2006 election to finally figure out that Rumsfeld had to go. What's that about 3 years?
Magic Balance Fairy... Oh... I get it...
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:41:51pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
Apparently we're arguing about whether Obama is a whiner, tough enough to defend the country, or a politician.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:41:59pm |
re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ted Rall/ Condi Rice.
Yes, Ted Rall is a racist. Ted Rall is also an asshole. But that doesn't change the fact that the crazies are getting real ramped up over this presidency.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:42:00pm |
re: #514 jamesfirecat
//Putin has no need for something as frail as a soul!
there is truth to that that you should consider...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:42:02pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:42:26pm |
re: #470 brookly red
OK so we have a guy that in theory can look at a NORAD report & decide if we should launch or not... I am truly afraid.
Why? He's been bombing the shit out of stuff in AfPak with no trouble.
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:42:36pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
What are we arguing about tonight???
If Obama really is Obambi the whiny puppy who will never be able to look in Putin's eyes.
Oh and we all will die.
DIE I tell you because...just because....!!!!111!!!!
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:42:39pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
What are we arguing about tonight???
Obama used a clever quote to mock mindless attacks on him, leading to a bunch of mindless attacks on him.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #518 Walter L. Newton
Too bad we can't use the "Magic Balance Fairy" because I'll be accused of "It's Okay If You're A Republican" syndrome.
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captdiggs Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:43:10pm |
re: #520 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, Ted Rall is a racist. Ted Rall is also an asshole. But that doesn't change the fact that the crazies are getting real ramped up over this presidency.
And that didn't happen during the Bush presidency?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:43:23pm |
re: #513 Varek Raith
What are we arguing about tonight???
I'm still concerned about James' (and my) lifestyle going down.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:43:31pm |
re: #520 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, Ted Rall is a racist. Ted Rall is also an asshole. But that doesn't change the fact that the crazies are getting real ramped up over this presidency.
Agreed. But both sides have racist. That was my only point. And yes, the right has more. Maybe.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:43:59pm |
re: #518 Walter L. Newton
Magic Balance Fairy... Oh... I get it...
It's not magic. It's called experience. We've been down these roads many times before. So we had to wait 3 months. Big deal. We've waited longer for presidents to make decisions. So yeah, I balance my past experience with what I see happening now and try not to freak out about it. Obama is kicking ass in Afghanistan much to everyone's surprise. It even has the left stymied.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:44:02pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
What's your problem B_sharp... never heard this before? "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist", if you don't agree with this or that, you're racist.
I have some of the most non-racist bones in my body you'll ever see, and I'm getting tired of the implications.
So...
Actually, Walter, I never hear these things.
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DaddyLawBucks Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:44:06pm |
Listen to the speech. If you think that was groveling, or whining, I'm sorry, but you sure didn't hear what I heard. Obama bragged about taking on big business and powerful interests, and how they are furious with him, and "treat him like a dog" due to that anger.......how is that anything but beating the tom-tom?
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:44:11pm |
re: #476 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought Bill Clinton was?
I thought he was the first Sexually Compulsive-American president.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:44:29pm |
I'm going to save my race card for the next hand dealt... I think I've got a winning hand here without it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:44:31pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:44:46pm |
re: #492 blueraven
I doubt he will look deep into his eyes and read his soul.
I was afraid that meant Bush was getting cataracts. Doesn't that sometimes start with seeing things that aren't there?
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:07pm |
re: #533 b_sharp
I thought he was the first Sexually Compulsive-American president.
Kennedy? Jefferson?
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Interesting Times Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:11pm |
re: #489 Gus 802
Now we're up to NORAD? We go from a Jimi Hendrix quote at a campaign rally. An off the cuff unscripted comment to being afraid of his potential response to an air attack, i.e. a NORAD alert?
Yes, because Obama would *never* have the guts to give an order to use military force...oh wait:
Under Obama, more targeted killings than captures in counterterrorism efforts
The Obama administration has authorized such attacks more frequently than the George W. Bush administration did in its final years
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:16pm |
re: #530 Gus 802
It's not magic. It's called experience. We've been down these roads many times before. So we had to wait 3 months. Big deal. We've waited longer for presidents to make decisions. So yeah, I balance my past experience with what I see happening now and try not to freak out about it. Obama is kicking ass in Afghanistan much to everyone's surprise. It even has the left stymied.
I don't remember bringing up the other subject... what was that I read... someone mentioned Rumsfeld... I'm sorry, I thought it was you... my mistake.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:20pm |
re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist
I was afraid that meant Bush was getting cataracts. Doesn't that sometimes start with seeing things that aren't there?
I call it Acid.
/
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:25pm |
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blueraven Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:26pm |
re: #521 brookly red
there is truth to that that you should consider...
Then how did GW Bush see it so clearly, and know it to be a good one?
Think about that. Truly scary.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:45pm |
re: #483 sagehen
You mean the gay hooker with press credentials?
I don't remember well, so you tell me.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:45:50pm |
re: #497 b_sharp
My own take on that is that he was in Milwaukee talking to Union workers at a Labor Day rally where the rank and file in WI are upset about GM closing the SUV plant in Janesville. His party has demonized the American SUV as representing all that is evil in the automobile industry but instead of celebrating the demise of an SUV factory, he seems to be trying to whip up the masses to focus their anger at the GOP.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:46:17pm |
re: #509 NJDhockeyfan
As far as I know, Walter is not Rush.
Then we shouldn't have any problems.
If Walter IS Rush, we certainly have a pretty interesting situation on our hands.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:46:18pm |
re: #523 SanFranciscoZionist
Why? He's been bombing the shit out of stuff in AfPak with no trouble.
that is true and I do find some comfort in it, as well as his "surge" in Afghanistan. But for Pete's sake a war time president should not show the weakness of whining about being insulted when other presidents are talking about blowing Israel off the earth (just for example).
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:46:40pm |
re: #539 publicityStunted
Great example of making a call in a very narrow time frame. When he's got more time to make a decision, he takes it. But when he doesn't have that time, he can make the quick call. The wingnuts got nothin'.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:46:42pm |
re: #544 b_sharp
I don't remember well, so you tell me.
OMG!! You don't remember that? Bald guy with glasses!!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:46:43pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:46:45pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:47:26pm |
re: #540 Walter L. Newton
I don't remember bringing up the other subject... what was that I read... someone mentioned Rumsfeld... I'm sorry, I thought it was you... my mistake.
What other subject?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:48:01pm |
re: #527 captdiggs
And that didn't happen during the Bush presidency?
Sure did. Different set of crazies. My main concern about the present set is that I feel they're being egged on and taken seriously by a far more mainstream political crew than the anti-Bush crazies were.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:48:01pm |
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:48:14pm |
re: #547 brookly red
But for Pete's sake a war time president should not show the weakness of whining about being insulted when other presidents are talking about blowing Israel off the earth (just for example).
"He shouldn't say things I don't want him to say when" (insert completely separate irrelevant issue here).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:48:31pm |
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captdiggs Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:49:08pm |
re: #532 daddylawbucks
Listen to the speech. If you think that was groveling, or whining,
I think the "they" part was a bigger problem.
He's now the president. The entire *them versus us* is not a great approach to leadership of a nation.
He's dividing not uniting.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:49:10pm |
re: #555 elbruce
"He shouldn't say things I don't want him to say when" (insert completely separate irrelevant issue here).
My pizza is cold?
/
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webevintage Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:49:43pm |
re: #548 elbruce
The wingnuts got nothin'.
What!
What?
They have President Palin.
She will shoot a moose and field dress it (but not really) and then kick Putin's ass with her Monkey pumps all before noon!!1!!!!
and she never, ever whines about anything.
ANYTHING....
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:49:46pm |
re: #541 Cannadian Club Akbar
I call it Acid.
/
Surely Bush didn't use acid! He was a poster boy for an anti-drugs campaign as a young man.
(I never did figure out what happened with him and Putin, but what the hell, we survived.)
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:50:19pm |
re: #558 captdiggs
He's now the president. The entire *them versus us* is not a great approach to leadership of a nation.
He's dividing not uniting.
Y'all chose to divide yourselves a long time ago. Frankly, I think he held out his hand in friendship to the other side of the aisle far longer than he should have, considering how many times the GOP bit it, only to have him give them yet another chance.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:50:19pm |
re: #558 captdiggs
I think the "they" part was a bigger problem.
He's now the president. The entire *them versus us* is not a great approach to leadership of a nation.
He's dividing not uniting.
Yes because the modern day GOP has acted like a mature and rational group of people in both houses of congress who want to work with the Democrats for what is best for the US.
Who was it here who used to say "Name the enemy" among some other things I won't repeate....
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:50:20pm |
NatGeo has a very interesting show with Saddam's interrogator. Very interesting.
Worth seeing, whenever it's repeated (maybe later tonight, I think).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:50:54pm |
re: #560 webevintage
What!
What?
They have President Palin.
She will shoot a moose and field dress it (but not really) and then kick Putin's ass with her Monkey pumps all before noon!!1!!!
and she never, ever whines about anything.
ANYTHING...
/
You do know she can see Russia from her house, right?
/
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:50:57pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
What's your problem B_sharp... never heard this before? "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist", if you don't agree with this or that, you're racist.
I have some of the most non-racist bones in my body you'll ever see, and I'm getting tired of the implications.
So...
Who called you a racist?
Whether something said is racist is dependent on the context and the intent of the speaker. It can be discerned from simple disagreement fairly easily by analyzing how and when/where the comment is spoken.
Simply stating that health care should not be government run isn't racist, saying so while holding a sign with Obama's face photoshopped into a primitive tribal shaman's face is.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:51:00pm |
re: #547 brookly red
that is true and I do find some comfort in it, as well as his "surge" in Afghanistan. But for Pete's sake a war time president should not show the weakness of whining about being insulted when other presidents are talking about blowing Israel off the earth (just for example).
I just can't bother to take it that seriously. You think Ahmadinejad is looking at this speech and rubbing his hands together, realizing that he has a live one?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:51:07pm |
re: #562 Gus 802
I thought he was still in office. Thanks for clearing that up.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:51:08pm |
time to pick up my take out... have a good time!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:51:36pm |
re: #566 reine.de.tout
NatGeo has a very interesting show with Saddam's interrogator. Very interesting.
Worth seeing, whenever it's repeated (maybe later tonight, I think).
I brought that up earlier. Great show.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:51:48pm |
It's always the same thing. Bring up the Obama derangement and out comes the historical Bush derangement. Using that logic one cancels out the other so we might as well talk about football.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:13pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
What's your problem B_sharp... never heard this before? "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist", if you don't agree with this or that, you're racist.
If you're so fed up with hearing it, it will very easy to offer a single example of "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist".
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:15pm |
re: #573 Gus 802
It's always the same thing. Bring up the Obama derangement and out comes the historical Bush derangement. Using that logic one cancels out the other so we might as well talk about football.
Screw football!
Muhahahaha!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:17pm |
re: #572 Cannadian Club Akbar
I brought that up earlier. Great show.
Yeah, I saw your comment and went and turned it on. Good program.
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:25pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:25pm |
re: #558 captdiggs
I think the "they" part was a bigger problem.
He's now the president. The entire *them versus us* is not a great approach to leadership of a nation.
He's dividing not uniting.
Also I wonder how many of these people who have problems with him showing a couple of bared teeth to Republicans are the same one who mock him for being so limp wristed and say he needs to take a firmer stand with Iran?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:28pm |
re: #573 Gus 802
It's always the same thing. Bring up the Obama derangement and out comes the historical Bush derangement. Using that logic one cancels out the other so we might as well talk about football.
FBV is trying to!!
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:35pm |
I have some amount of confidence that when things really matter, Obama will put politics aside and do what he thinks is best for the USA. But his default mode is clearly partisan politics and campaigning against the other side. Thats his comfort zone.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:52:58pm |
re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar
You do know she can see Russia from her house, right?
/
I did harbor a fantasy that if she and McCain won, the one thing that might make it worth it was her leaning into Putin's ear at a party and murmuring "I'm a MUCH better shot than Cheney."
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:53:17pm |
re: #580 mich-again
I have some amount of confidence that when things really matter, Obama will put politics aside and do what he thinks is best for the USA. But his default mode is clearly partisan politics and campaigning against the other side. Thats his comfort zone.
Lol, you just described every PotUS eveh!
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:53:18pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:53:39pm |
re: #568 b_sharp
Who called you a racist?
Whether something said is racist is dependent on the context and the intent of the speaker. It can be discerned from simple disagreement fairly easily by analyzing how and when/where the comment is spoken.
Simply stating that health care should not be government run isn't racist, saying so while holding a sign with Obama's face photoshopped into a primitive tribal shaman's face is.
Opposition to Obama Health Care Reform Driven by Racism Not Fear of Increasing Debt
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:53:39pm |
re: #581 SanFranciscoZionist
I did harbor a fantasy that if she and McCain won, the one thing that might make it worth it was her leaning into Putin's ear at a party and murmuring "I'm a MUCH better shot than Cheney."
AWESOME!!!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:03pm |
re: #574 Nimed
If you're so fed up with hearing it, it will very easy to offer a single example of "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist".
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:07pm |
So if someone brought up the Clinton derangement during the Bush derangement years that would have been OK? Yes or no? IOW, people would have been saying "big deal about Bush, look at what the right wing did to Clinton."
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:28pm |
re: #562 Gus 802
Bush is retired and living in Texas.
He sure is. The moonbats gave him their best shot and he ignored them for 8 years while doing the best job he could do for America.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:44pm |
re: #581 SanFranciscoZionist
I did harbor a fantasy that if she and McCain won, the one thing that might make it worth it was her leaning into Putin's ear at a party and murmuring "I'm a MUCH better shot than Cheney."
Except then Putin would bust out his sleeper hold on her....
Seriously people Ex-KGB guy versus American Hockey Mom who only has had practice shooting at targets that don't fire back?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:48pm |
re: #588 Gus 802
So if someone brought up the Clinton derangement during the Bush derangement years that would have been OK? Yes or no? IOW, people would have been saying "big deal about Bush, look at what the right wing did to Clinton."
Right Wing Conspiracy!!!
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:56pm |
re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist
I just can't bother to take it that seriously. You think Ahmadinejad is looking at this speech and rubbing his hands together, realizing that he has a live one?
I think the world is smelling the weakness... did Russia nuke up Iran? Is China arming up? Iran? Syria? freakin Burma? Why is this? Please.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:54:56pm |
re: #501 brookly red
Not at all, he indulged in self pity... OK for you or me, not for a ahem, commander in chief. sorry
What exactly did he mean by that quote? Surely you've unpacked that quote to your own satisfaction. Care to share that analysis with us?
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:55:12pm |
re: #589 NJDhockeyfan
He sure is. The moonbats gave him their best shot and he ignored them for 8 years while doing the best job he could do for America.
And now your side is just like the Moonbats.
Funny, that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:55:19pm |
re: #584 Walter L. Newton
Opposition to Obama Health Care Reform Driven by Racism Not Fear of Increasing Debt
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I'm sorry that Ray Hanania called you a racist over a year ago.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:55:29pm |
re: #583 compound idaho
helluva game... hated the personal foul call there at the end... but Tech shouldn't have let them to that point.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:55:47pm |
re: #580 mich-again
I have some amount of confidence that when things really matter, Obama will put politics aside and do what he thinks is best for the USA. But his default mode is clearly partisan politics and campaigning against the other side. Thats his comfort zone.
If that was his "default mode," we'd have a public option, no tax breaks in the stimulus bill, much stronger financial regulation and cap-and-trade would already be the law of the land. You guys have been getting off easy. But it's campaign time now, so he's dusting off the guns.
Quit whining about it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:55:49pm |
re: #588 Gus 802
So if someone brought up the Clinton derangement during the Bush derangement years that would have been OK? Yes or no? IOW, people would have been saying "big deal about Bush, look at what the right wing did to Clinton."
I was actually saying that, mostly under my breath.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:56:02pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:56:03pm |
re: #512 prairiefire
Didn't he visit the White House something like 23 times?
He was part of the White House Press Corps. He was never connected to anyone in power, not even the press secretary. He was just a freak who happened to cover the White House, no more than that.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:56:11pm |
re: #597 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm sorry that Ray Hanania called you a racist over a year ago.
I can stand up for myself... I don't need your "sorry"
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:56:32pm |
re: #593 brookly red
I think the world is smelling the weakness... did Russia nuke up Iran? Is China arming up? Iran? Syria? freakin Burma? Why is this? Please.
Yes because look at how President Bush's strong guiding hand helped keep dangerous people like North Korea from gaining access to nuclear Weapons.
Oh wait.....
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compound idaho Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:57:15pm |
re: #598 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
helluva game... hated the personal foul call there at the end... but Tech shouldn't have let them to that point.
Picking up that block in the back flag on the punt return was pretty odd too, but what do you do.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:57:18pm |
re: #605 jamesfirecat
Yes because look at how President Bush's strong guiding hand helped keep dangerous people like North Korea from gaining access to nuclear Weapons.
Oh wait...
Uh, awe forget it.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:57:29pm |
re: #597 SanFranciscoZionist
Whoever up there asked him for an example of "if you're opposed to Obamacare (or any policy), you're a racist". He provided an example.
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jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:57:37pm |
This is self pity:
"You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore, because gentlemen, this is my last press conference." (November 7, 1962)
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:58:01pm |
re: #502 Walter L. Newton
Never mind... when he took three months to decide to send more troops to... someplace... I forgot.
Yes, of course. Sending more troops into battle is definitely something you do as a kneejerk reaction, rather than talking to experts.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:58:04pm |
re: #589 NJDhockeyfan
He The moonbats gave him their best shot and he ignored them for 8 years while doing the best job he could do for America.
I don't know if we'll ever be able to prove whether the results of Bush's term was due to willful malevolence or woeful incompetence, but claiming it was the latter hardly lets him off the hook.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:58:05pm |
re: #573 Gus 802
It's always the same thing. Bring up the Obama derangement and out comes the historical Bush derangement. Using that logic one cancels out the other so we might as well talk about football.
The game's over. VA Tech blew it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:58:47pm |
re: #612 NJDhockeyfan
The game's over. VA Tech blew it.
How about Baseball then? Anybody think Boston might win the World Series this year?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:58:56pm |
re: #590 jamesfirecat
Except then Putin would bust out his sleeper hold on her...
Seriously people Ex-KGB guy versus American Hockey Mom who only has had practice shooting at targets that don't fire back?
Exactly. Putin doesn't carry a gun for show (he does in fact sometimes carry one). He's a trained gunfighter, and he's be an utter nightmare to fight at close quarters.
| 617 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 8:59:15pm |
re: #610 b_sharp
Yes, of course. Sending more troops into battle is definitely something you do as a kneejerk reaction, rather than talking to experts.
Right... good point... and the experts had already asked him, and number of times... and then... three months later...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:00:00pm |
re: #574 Nimed
If you're so fed up with hearing it, it will very easy to offer a single example of "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist".
Nimed... you still here?
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:00:13pm |
re: #509 NJDhockeyfan
As far as I know, Walter is not Rush.
No he's not. Good thing no one claimed he was, nor did any one claim he was acting like Rush, nor did anyone claim he was a racist.
Any linkage between Walter and people who have been called racist has been made by Walter.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:00:16pm |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
What, you dont want Presidents to get stuck in an endless "on the one hand......on the other hand" mode?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:00:29pm |
re: #615 jamesfirecat
How about Baseball then? Anybody think Boston might win the World Series this year?
Go Rays.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:00:45pm |
re: #619 Walter L. Newton
He's busy reading/watching three examples.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:01:09pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:01:14pm |
re: #605 jamesfirecat
Yes because look at how President Bush's strong guiding hand helped keep dangerous people like North Korea from gaining access to nuclear Weapons.
Oh wait...
[Link: gos.sbc.edu...]
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:01:27pm |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
Right... good point... and the experts had already asked him, and number of times... and then... three months later...
I have a hell of a lot more confidence in his plans than I would if he just ran around doing whatever his "gut" told him to.
I really don't see where you have a valid criticism here. He increased troop levels in Afghanistan, and did so in a rational way that accounts for the logistics involved. Some wingnuts claim he shouldn't have increased the levels. Others that he did by too much, still others that he did by too little. So your complaint is that it was too late for you. Big whoop.
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reginald perrin Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:01:38pm |
re: #603 Dark_Falcon
He was part of the White House Press Corps. He was never connected to anyone in power, not even the press secretary. He was just a freak who happened to cover the White House, no more than that.
Doesn't it make you wonder why the Secret Service allowed the freak in the White House? Either they failed to do their duty or Gannon got help from someone in the White House.
| 629 |
b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:02:32pm |
re: #526 TheMatrix31
Too bad we can't use the "Magic Balance Fairy" because I'll be accused of "It's Okay If You're A Republican" syndrome.
Stop whining.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:02:55pm |
re: #528 Stanley Sea
I'm still concerned about James' (and my) lifestyle going down.
Where is it going?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:03:05pm |
re: #628 reginald perrin
Doesn't it make you wonder why the Secret Service allowed the freak in the White House? Either they failed to do their duty or Gannon got help from someone in the White House.
Wait a moment "Gannon" who names their kid that?
Hearing the phrase "Gannon got access to the white house" makes me think I'm hearing the plot to a bad Zelda game...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:03:13pm |
re: #628 reginald perrin
Doesn't it make you wonder why the Secret Service allowed the freak in the White House? Either they failed to do their duty or Gannon got help from someone in the White House.
Kinda like when Bush had a grenade thrown at him in Europe?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:03:30pm |
re: #627 elbruce
I have a hell of a lot more confidence in his plans than I would if he just ran around doing whatever his "gut" told him to.
I really don't see where you have a valid criticism here. He increased troop levels in Afghanistan, and did so in a rational way that accounts for the logistics involved. Some wingnuts claim he shouldn't have increased the levels. Others that he did by too much, still others that he did by too little. So your complaint is that it was too late for you. Big whoop.
Any action is likely to be futile... so why do it?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:03:31pm |
re: #624 jamesfirecat
What do you have against the Sox?
I loathe them. I loathe every Boston-based team.
No, I'm not a New York fan for anything.
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:03:48pm |
re: #600 elbruce
I disagree. If the Dems really wanted those things, they could have had them all if they would just make the GOP actually fillibuster instead of folding up their tent and giving in as soon as the GOP threatened a fillibuster. For crying out loud, make them actually fillibuster. I think it would be a PR disaster for whoever really wants to tie up Congress for days or weeks with non-stop assinine speeches, particularly now when every dumbass speech at 3:00 AM could get cherry-picked for idiotic content. By caving in without making the other side actually carry out the fillibuster, the Dems give their opponents a free pass. Then again, maybe the Dems didn't have enough votes for those features, and blaming it all on the GOP is an easy out.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:04:20pm |
re: #621 TheMatrix31
What, you dont want Presidents to get stuck in an endless "on the one hand...on the other hand" mode?
Hardly endless, as it came to an end. He gave himself a timeframe to make an informed decision, and made the informed decision within that timeframe. There's really nothing worth complaining about here.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:04:26pm |
re: #628 reginald perrin
Doesn't it make you wonder why the Secret Service allowed the freak in the White House? Either they failed to do their duty or Gannon got help from someone in the White House.
But the White House got nothing from Gannon, nor did anyone there track back to him. I'm more inclined to think those running his background check failed in their job, or they did not think it relevant to note his side activities.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:04:45pm |
re: #593 brookly red
I think the world is smelling the weakness... did Russia nuke up Iran? Is China arming up? Iran? Syria? freakin Burma? Why is this? Please.
Did Iran flaunt their uranium before Obama's watch? Did Russia convince us to let Iran enrich uranium on Russian soil before Obama's watch? Did Saddam violate sanctions before Obama's watch? Did Hezbollah cross Israel's borders before Obama's watch? And so on.
Please, yourself. The world is a big scary place. The idea that any ongoing crap that happens is because the sharks are 'smelling weakness' from a president you don't like seems a tad farfetched.
| 639 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:05:09pm |
re: #623 TheMatrix31
He's busy reading/watching three examples.
I could top it off with a even dozen of references... if Nimed needs it?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:05:18pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:05:21pm |
re: #584 Walter L. Newton
Opposition to Obama Health Care Reform Driven by Racism Not Fear of Increasing Debt
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
So people here are supposed to answer for Ray Hanania who is also a columnist for the Huffington Post and the Jerusalem Post?
Being a fellow atheist you know very well that people will say things about atheists that would beg for an answer but why bother?
You want my opinion? I think the notion that opposition to HCR was by and large racially motivated is wrong.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:05:36pm |
re: #637 Dark_Falcon
But the White House got nothing from Gannon, nor did anyone there track back to him. I'm more inclined to think those running his background check failed in their job, or they did not think it relevant to note his side activities.
I don't think it's really the sort of thing they background-check for. Which is fine, IMO. Gannon wasn't a security threat.
| 643 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:05:45pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
Maybe you should. Just for him/her and everyone else to see.
| 644 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:05:57pm |
re: #631 jamesfirecat
Wait a moment "Gannon" who names their kid that?
Hearing the phrase "Gannon got access to the white house" makes me think I'm hearing the plot to a bad Zelda game...
His name is Jeff.
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MisterCookie Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:06:01pm |
Breaking news! The socialist who hates businesses so much is proposing a new tax policy that will let them…write off 100% of new investments to encourage capital expenditures?
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:06:15pm |
re: #604 Walter L. Newton
I can stand up for myself... I don't need your "sorry"
You've been complaining for months that you can't express opposition to Obama's policies without being called a racist. At least here, that's simply not true.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:06:40pm |
re: #641 Gus 802
You want my opinion? I think the notion that opposition to HCR was by and large racially motivated is wrong.
Seconded.
I mean, since we're all answering for something somebody said about some other people somewhere else on the Internet...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:06:49pm |
re: #641 Gus 802
So people here are supposed to answer for Ray Hanania who is also a columnist for the Huffington Post and the Jerusalem Post?
Being a fellow atheist you know very well that people will say things about atheists that would beg for an answer but why bother?
You want my opinion? I think the notion that opposition to HCR was by and large racially motivated is wrong.
You want an even dozen references? No, you don't have to answer for anyone... or even the dozen more examples I could link you to...
| 649 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:06:53pm |
Hate to break it to some of you, but the US is not all powerful. Sometimes, there is shit we just can not do.
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:07:18pm |
re: #599 TheMatrix31
re: #604 Walter L. Newton
So we have disavowed moonbat Rev. Wright being interviewed in the street, Ray Hanania (who the hell is this guy?) and Jimmy Carter.
Except, of course, that Carter DIDN'T mention HCR in that video.
In other words, you have to try very hard to be fed up with the accusation "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist". Walter, just how many times did you read Hanania's that article?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:07:27pm |
re: #645 MisterCookie
Breaking news! The socialist who hates businesses so much is proposing a new tax policy that will let them…write off 100% of new investments to encourage capital expenditures?
[Link: www.politico.com...]
But only the equipment for the FEMA camps.
//need I?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:07:35pm |
re: #641 Gus 802
You want my opinion? I think the notion that opposition to HCR was by and large racially motivated is wrong.
That's fantastic. Really. The question however, was to provide an example of "If you're opposed to (Obama Action), you're a racist."
Walter did that. Not sure why people are getting on him for posting something a" year old" or trying to "get an answer here for a guy who writes elsewhere"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:07:41pm |
re: #613 Gus 802
What about Navy?
I'll take Navy against any of America's enemies... just not a Division I Football team (normally)... They played their asses off.
Hard to win when you fumble... uh... 40 times?
| 654 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:08:12pm |
re: #627 elbruce
I have a hell of a lot more confidence in his plans than I would if he just ran around doing whatever his "gut" told him to.
I really don't see where you have a valid criticism here. He increased troop levels in Afghanistan, and did so in a rational way that accounts for the logistics involved. Some wingnuts claim he shouldn't have increased the levels. Others that he did by too much, still others that he did by too little. So your complaint is that it was too late for you. Big whoop.
Which is a reasonable complaint, it's just not an obvious win.
| 655 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:08:31pm |
re: #628 reginald perrin
Doesn't it make you wonder why the Secret Service allowed the freak in the White House? Either they failed to do their duty or Gannon got help from someone in the White House.
Who the hell was this, and what was the problem? This is ringing no bells.
| 656 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:08:51pm |
re: #650 Nimed
re: #604 Walter L. Newton
So we have disavowed moonbat Rev. Wright being interviewed in the street, Ray Hanania (who the hell is this guy?) and Jimmy Carter.
Except, of course, that Carter DIDN'T mention HCR in that video.
In other words, you have to try very hard to be fed up with the accusation "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist". Walter, just how many times did you read Hanania's that article?
The issue is any issue/policy. Doesn't HAVE to be Obamacare only.
| 657 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:09:14pm |
re: #655 SanFranciscoZionist
Who the hell was this, and what was the problem? This is ringing no bells.
Gay male prostitute.
| 658 |
jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:09:29pm |
re: #638 SanFranciscoZionist
Did Iran flaunt their uranium before Obama's watch? Did Russia convince us to let Iran enrich uranium on Russian soil before Obama's watch? Did Saddam violate sanctions before Obama's watch? Did Hezbollah cross Israel's borders before Obama's watch? And so on.
Please, yourself. The world is a big scary place. The idea that any ongoing crap that happens is because the sharks are 'smelling weakness' from a president you don't like seems a tad farfetched.
QFT. The rest of the world factors in he President of the U.S., but he isn't as important to others' goals as we might like to think.
| 659 |
blueraven Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:09:37pm |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
Right... good point... and the experts had already asked him, and number of times... and then... three months later...
Well at least he sent them Walter. 3 months. right.
Lets not talk about the fact that the Generals had been asking for more troops for years.
Shhh...
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:09:51pm |
re: #648 Walter L. Newton
You want an even dozen references? No, you don't have to answer for anyone... or even the dozen more examples I could link you to...
What are you favoriting comments from LGF? You know, I don't think it's a good idea to rehash that stuff right now. Have at it thought is you feel like it but I'm sure you know I've never called anyone a racist here that didn't deserve it. It's probably less than two people that inevitably got banned.
Why are you bringing this up now?
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mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:10:12pm |
re: #645 MisterCookie
Well I like that proposal, but I'm not sure how thats any different than current tax laws.. Companies can already write off capital expenditures. What, is he proposing that they don't need to amortize the investment over a number of years? The story made it sound like being able to write off capital expenditures was a new concept.
| 662 |
reginald perrin Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:10:22pm |
re: #632 Cannadian Club Akbar
Kinda like when Bush had a grenade thrown at him in Europe?
No, it's nothing like that.
All visitors to the White House have to be screened. It's obvious that he wasn't. The man was advertising on the internet, offering his services as a gay prostitute.
This same gay prostitute with no prior journalistic experience gets special press credentials and get to throw softball questions at the President.
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b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:10:59pm |
re: #545 mich-again
My own take on that is that he was in Milwaukee talking to Union workers at a Labor Day rally where the rank and file in WI are upset about GM closing the SUV plant in Janesville. His party has demonized the American SUV as representing all that is evil in the automobile industry but instead of celebrating the demise of an SUV factory, he seems to be trying to whip up the masses to focus their anger at the GOP.
Thanks.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:10:59pm |
re: #652 TheMatrix31
That's fantastic. Really. The question however, was to provide an example of "If you're opposed to (Obama Action), you're a racist."
Walter did that. Not sure why people are getting on him for posting something a" year old" or trying to "get an answer here for a guy who writes elsewhere"
I was waiting for an example of someone here talking to him specifically. Or even of that accusation being hurled in this community. Not anything anywhere from the entire wide Internet.
I could complain that you can't deny the lizard alien conspiracy without being accused of actually being a lizard alien. Then if somebody scoffs, I can go find a link that accuses lizard alien conspiracy deniers of being lizard aliens. But that wouldn't prove anything whatsoever. All opinions exist somewhere on the Internet.
| 665 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:11:11pm |
re: #650 Nimed
re: #604 Walter L. Newton
So we have disavowed moonbat Rev. Wright being interviewed in the street, Ray Hanania (who the hell is this guy?) and Jimmy Carter.
Except, of course, that Carter DIDN'T mention HCR in that video.
In other words, you have to try very hard to be fed up with the accusation "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist". Walter, just how many times did you read Hanania's that article?
I'm not sure what you are talking about... it sounds a little like a cross between some Magical Balance Fairy stuff, combined with a pinch of self-denial and "I can't hear you because I have my fingers in my ears" stirred in.
How many more explicit examples do you want?
| 666 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:11:26pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
I could top it off with a even dozen of references... if Nimed needs it?
Still wouldn't help. Walter, you never, ever, modify this complaint with 'some moonbat writers claim', or 'Ray Hanania, writing for the Huffington Post says', you always make it sound as though it's some kind of universal condition.
By the same lights, I could complain that if you say you voted for Obama you're told you did it because he was black, out of guilt. There are writers who say that. But it's hardly a universal condition I would site without explaining who the hell I am talking about.
| 668 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:12:32pm |
Just so everyone knows, on the internet, I am a Ninja.
//
| 669 |
MisterCookie Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:12:48pm |
re: #661 mich-again
I can't think of any recent legislation that has been that aggressive, though.
| 670 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:12:53pm |
re: #666 SanFranciscoZionist
Still wouldn't help. Walter, you never, ever, modify this complaint with 'some moonbat writers claim', or 'Ray Hanania, writing for the Huffington Post says', you always make it sound as though it's some kind of universal condition.
By the same lights, I could complain that if you say you voted for Obama you're told you did it because he was black, out of guilt. There are writers who say that. But it's hardly a universal condition I would site without explaining who the hell I am talking about.
Of course it wouldn't help... ignoring things don't help, but that's what happening. So... I won't waste my time.
| 671 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:12:56pm |
re: #652 TheMatrix31
That's fantastic. Really. The question however, was to provide an example of "If you're opposed to (Obama Action), you're a racist."
Walter did that. Not sure why people are getting on him for posting something a" year old" or trying to "get an answer here for a guy who writes elsewhere"
Because Walter brings up this idea over, and over, and over.
| 672 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:13:02pm |
Sorry but I'm too tired to keep going. Goodnight, all.
| 674 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:13:25pm |
re: #668 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just so everyone knows, on the internet, I am a Ninja.
//
ARG!
A Ninja, maties!
Keel haul the landlubber!
| 675 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:13:28pm |
| 676 |
Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:13:36pm |
re: #670 Walter L. Newton
Of course it wouldn't help... ignoring things don't help, but that's what happening. So... I won't waste my time.
Oh for crying out loud.
| 677 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:13:49pm |
re: #657 Cannadian Club Akbar
Gay male prostitute.
Working the press corp?
I guess being a gay male prostitute doesn't pay like it used to.
I have never heard of this scandale.
| 680 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:14:08pm |
re: #671 SanFranciscoZionist
Because Walter brings up this idea over, and over, and over.
I'm sorry... I didn't know there was a ban on this subject. I'll stop it.
| 681 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:14:13pm |
| 682 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:14:16pm |
| 683 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:14:36pm |
re: #648 Walter L. Newton
You want an even dozen references? No, you don't have to answer for anyone... or even the dozen more examples I could link you to...
How about Harry Reid?
| 684 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:14:44pm |
re: #677 SanFranciscoZionist
Working the press corp?
I guess being a gay male prostitute doesn't pay like it used to.
Talk about a step down in your career.
:P
| 686 |
Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:14:57pm |
You know, I'm fed up with conservative publications saying that Elena Kagan has nazi sympathies. I hear it all the time.
SHOCKING: Kagan's Princeton Thesis Cited German Socialist Who Endorsed Nazis
| 687 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:15:30pm |
re: #681 Stanley Sea
Brookly knows. I'll advise when I find out.
If you have to ask you will never know.
| 688 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:15:36pm |
| 689 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:15:40pm |
re: #677 SanFranciscoZionist
Working the press corp?
I guess being a gay male prostitute doesn't pay like it used to.
I have never heard of this scandale.
Dude was getting like $200 an hour. If I got that kind of cash I would make like $10 a day. But with plenty of sleep.
/
| 690 |
jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:15:53pm |
re: #686 Nimed
You'd think they could work Kevin Bacon in there somewhere.
| 691 |
Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:15:55pm |
re: #671 SanFranciscoZionist
Because Walter brings up this idea over, and over, and over.
You might even say that people are generally "fed up" with it.
| 692 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:16:21pm |
re: #686 Nimed
You know, I'm fed up with conservative publications saying that Elena Kagan has nazi sympathies. I hear it all the time.
SHOCKING: Kagan's Princeton Thesis Cited German Socialist Who Endorsed Nazis
That's neat... and I didn't even have to ask for one link.
| 693 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:16:48pm |
re: #691 Nimed
You might even say that people are generally "fed up" with it.
Tough shit... or are you the topic police now?
| 694 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:17:03pm |
| 695 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:17:06pm |
I'm fed up with humanity. Bye!
*Presses Red Button of DOOOM*
| 696 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:17:06pm |
re: #648 Walter L. Newton
You want an even dozen references? No, you don't have to answer for anyone... or even the dozen more examples I could link you to...
re: #683 NJDhockeyfan
How about Harry Reid?
Wasn't the subject of this thread (at least as presented by the right-wingers here) how lame it is to whine about being attacked unfairly? Or is it now about how awesome it is to whine about being attacked unfairly? I can't keep it straight.
| 697 |
blueraven Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:17:11pm |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
So?
It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring...
| 698 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:17:43pm |
| 699 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:17:50pm |
re: #695 Varek Raith
I'm fed up with humanity. Bye!
*Presses Red Button of DOOOM*
Hold off!! I have a new 1.75!!
| 700 |
mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:18:05pm |
re: #669 MisterCookie
I can't think of any recent legislation that has been that aggressive, though.
Well my employment is all about manufacturing companies making investments in new facilities, and I know enough to know that you can twist the Capital versus Expense classification question either way for any new project. Expense projects are written off that year, Capital projects have to be amortized over a number of years. The rules for Is it Capital or is it Expense are fuzzy at best. You can argue either way and be right in most cases.
| 702 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:18:36pm |
re: #697 blueraven
It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring...
Then ignore my comments... (sheeessshhh... do I really have to tell an adult this?)
| 703 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:18:53pm |
| 704 |
b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:19:48pm |
re: #584 Walter L. Newton
Opposition to Obama Health Care Reform Driven by Racism Not Fear of Increasing Debt
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I saw no mention of Walter L. Newton in that article.
| 705 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:20:49pm |
re: #695 Varek Raith
I'm fed up with humanity. Bye!
*Presses Red Button of DOOOM*
HAHAHA like your social security it's not there!
hahhah they spent it! LOL
| 706 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:20:59pm |
re: #704 b_sharp
I saw no mention of Walter L. Newton in that article.
I know you are smarter than that comment... maybe?
| 707 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:20:59pm |
re: #670 Walter L. Newton
Of course it wouldn't help... ignoring things don't help, but that's what happening. So... I won't waste my time.
Yeah, I really wouldn't bother if this is the best you can do.
| 708 |
Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:21:07pm |
| 711 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:22:00pm |
re: #708 Ojoe
Down with both major political parties.
Pffiibbittth.™
(here... I'll borrow someone else's comment, save typing)...
It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring...
| 712 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:22:20pm |
So...
Can I whine about how the anti war protesters were considered unpatriotic right before the invasion of Iraq???
| 713 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:22:29pm |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
So?
So, nothing. Once in a while, the apparent self-pity factor annoys me.
| 714 |
Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:22:53pm |
re: #666 SanFranciscoZionist
Still wouldn't help. Walter, you never, ever, modify this complaint with 'some moonbat writers claim', or 'Ray Hanania, writing for the Huffington Post says', you always make it sound as though it's some kind of universal condition.
By the same lights, I could complain that if you say you voted for Obama you're told you did it because he was black, out of guilt. There are writers who say that. But it's hardly a universal condition I would site without explaining who the hell I am talking about.
Ray Hanania's article was obviously the result of a google search -- Walter is so fed up with the accusation that he couldn't produce any instance from memory. He had to cite one of the dozens unknown HuffPo bloggers.
| 715 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:22:54pm |
re: #713 SanFranciscoZionist
So, nothing. Once in a while, the apparent self-pity factor annoys me.
Then you need to work on that.
| 717 |
b_sharp Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:23:05pm |
My wife just told me I have to come in, so I can't play any more.
I guess I'll see you tomorrow.
| 718 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:23:50pm |
re: #716 Gus 802
Sorry Walter but newsflash. It's not about you.
It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring...
| 719 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:24:26pm |
re: #712 Varek Raith
So...
Can I whine about how the anti war protesters were considered unpatriotic right before the invasion of Iraq???
Sure. What do you hope to prove by whining about that this evening?
| 720 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:24:30pm |
re: #714 Nimed
Ray Hanania's article was obviously the result of a google search -- Walter is so fed up with the accusation that he couldn't produce any instance from memory. He had to cite one of the dozens unknown HuffPo bloggers.
LOL.
A) Does it matter? I use Google for links ALL THE TIME.
B) Is he a psychopath who keeps links on him for EVERYTHING on hand immediately?
C) Does it negate the content?
| 721 |
Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:24:33pm |
re: #718 Walter L. Newton
It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring...
Orange!
Green.
Blue!
Taupe.
| 722 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:25:01pm |
re: #719 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure. What do you hope to prove by whining about that this evening?
Nothing in particular.
Just want to whine.
Can I have some cheese???
| 725 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:25:22pm |
re: #719 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure. What do you hope to prove by whining about that this evening?
I know right? Sith my ass.
/
| 726 |
Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:25:37pm |
re: #474 TheMatrix31
He IS the first African-American President after all.
No, he is 50-50.
And, he was going to be "post racial."
Sigh.
| 727 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:25:43pm |
re: #718 Walter L. Newton
It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring...
Well then, stop doing it!
| 728 |
jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:25:51pm |
re: #722 Varek Raith
Nothing in particular.
Just want to whine.
Can I have some cheese???
Sorry, someone keeps moving it.
| 729 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:25:56pm |
re: #722 Varek Raith
Nothing in particular.
Just want to whine.
Can I have some cheese???
Sure. Have some cheese, and whine away.
| 730 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:26:34pm |
re: #722 Varek Raith
Nothing in particular.
Just want to whine.
Can I have some cheese???
yeah here they are lining up for the free government cheese...
| 731 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:26:43pm |
re: #725 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know right? Sith my ass.
/
Nowhere in the Sith Code does it say I can't whine.
Meanie.
ZZZAAAPPP
| 732 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:26:56pm |
Hey... Blueraven... can I buy this quote from you... "It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring..."
It's a-marvelous-blow-off-I-don't-want-to-intelligently-discuss-the-issue sort of statement... multi usable... it could even be used on almost any blog... sort of cross-pollenated snark.
| 733 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:27:02pm |
re: #726 Ojoe
No, he is 50-50.
And, he was going to be "post racial."
Sigh.
He's African-American. The fact that he is also Scots-Irish-Kansan doesn't change that.
And I think 'post-racial' isn't something you can do all by yourself.
| 734 |
jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:27:39pm |
re: #733 SanFranciscoZionist
More of a whole-post-racial-society thing has to happen.
| 735 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:27:57pm |
| 736 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:28:14pm |
re: #729 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure. Have some cheese, and whine away.
HAHAHA!
FOOLS!
I TRICKED YOU JUST TO GET THE CHEESE!
| 737 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:28:22pm |
Can I be the first Polish/German President?
| 738 |
Ojoe Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:28:23pm |
re: #469 elbruce
The phrase will appear in print, just like you see it, with no sound nuances etc etc, and any good leader would know that, and would not go making such statements.
And in fact a good leader would be somewhat of a natural at self confidence and would not even have to guard herself against making such statements.
| 739 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:28:40pm |
re: #726 Ojoe
And, he was going to be "post racial."
The first African-American President was never going to be "post racial."
The second one, maybe.
| 740 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:28:57pm |
re: #735 TheMatrix31
It's so diverse. I should package it and sell it.
Hooray capitalism.
Put it on a tee shirt?
| 741 |
mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:29:02pm |
| 742 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:29:02pm |
re: #736 Varek Raith
HAHAHA!
FOOLS!
I TRICKED YOU JUST TO GET THE CHEESE!
*sneaks off with the wine*
| 743 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:29:08pm |
re: #737 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can I be the first Polish/German President?
You know who else was German...
/
| 744 |
Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:29:25pm |
re: #726 Ojoe
No, he is 50-50.
And, he was going to be "post racial."
Sigh.
Right. And no one reacted to his race. That's just our imagination at work.
| 745 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:29:44pm |
| 746 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:02pm |
re: #732 Walter L. Newton
Hey... Blueraven... can I buy this quote from you... "It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring..."
It's a-marvelous-blow-off-I-don't-want-to-intelligently -discuss-the-issue sort of statement... multi usable... it could even be used on almost any blog... sort of cross-pollenated snark.
What is there to intelligently discuss, exactly? That some people have said that opposition to Obama's policies is rooted in racism? Yes, they have. No one interesting has said it recently, but the idea is certainly out there. In the market of ideas, it seems to be trading less feverishly than the idea that Obama's policies are deliberately designed to impose socialism on the United States, but it's out there.
To what do you attribute this concept? Do you think it is at all rooted in reality? Why do you imagine it seems to have little appeal for the average lizard?
| 747 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:12pm |
| 748 |
Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:14pm |
re: #712 Varek Raith
So...
Can I whine about how the anti war protesters were considered unpatriotic right before the invasion of Iraq???
Actually, I kinda like to whine about those once in a while. :)
That's why, even with this whole "burn a Quran day" episode, I'm pretty leery of the argument that it shouldn't be done because it endangers the troops. There are plenty of better reasons IMO to criticize this lunacy.
| 749 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:15pm |
re: #736 Varek Raith
HAHAHA!
FOOLS!
I TRICKED YOU JUST TO GET THE CHEESE!
hello Sir, I am here to collect the cheese tax... please keep your hands where I can see them.
| 750 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:19pm |
| 752 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:36pm |
re: #736 Varek Raith
HAHAHA!
FOOLS!
I TRICKED YOU JUST TO GET THE CHEESE!
Silly Sith! I would have just GIVEN you the cheese you know.
| 753 |
mich-again Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:30:37pm |
| 754 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:31:01pm |
re: #752 SanFranciscoZionist
Silly Sith! I would have just GIVEN you the cheese you know.
That so defeats the purpose of being evil.
| 755 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:31:04pm |
re: #737 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can I be the first Polish/German President?
We've already had a Dutch one.
| 757 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:31:30pm |
| 758 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:31:31pm |
re: #744 Gus 802
Right. And no one reacted to his race. That's just our imagination at work.
Those pictures were obviously the result of a google search -- Gus is so fed up with the Magical Balance Fairy that he couldn't produce any link from memory. He had to cite one of the dozens unknown photoshop artist.
| 759 |
Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:31:58pm |
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
Those pictures were obviously the result of a google search -- Gus is so fed up with the Magical Balance Fairy that he couldn't produce any link from memory. He had to cite one of the dozens unknown photoshop artist.
You're in denial.
| 760 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:32:15pm |
| 761 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:33:24pm |
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
Those pictures were obviously the result of a google search
The pictures are a Google image search, silly.
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
Gus is so fed up with the Magical Balance Fairy that he couldn't produce any link from memory. He had to cite one of the dozens unknown photoshop artist.
The fact that there are dozens says something in and of itself.
| 762 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:34:21pm |
| 763 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:34:33pm |
re: #761 elbruce
The pictures are a Google image search, silly.
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
The fact that there are dozens says something in and of itself.
(should I?)
Well yes, it says there are nasty, evil racist out there... now, what does this tell you...
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 764 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:34:57pm |
| 766 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:35:27pm |
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
(should I?)
Well yes, it says there are nasty, evil racist out there... now, what does this tell you...
[Link: www.google.com...]
That Bush would look good in a mustache???
| 767 |
jaunte Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:36:00pm |
re: #766 Varek Raith
History doesn't make much of an impression on anyone.
| 769 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:01pm |
| 770 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:18pm |
Charles - If you're here -
I accidentally posted a "page" twice.
Big oops, apologies.
I tried to delete one, but both are still showing.
| 771 |
brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:20pm |
re: #754 Varek Raith
That so defeats the purpose of being evil.
Yo Varek, I was gonna go downtown and show some libs CBO numbers on da healthcare bill... heheh. are you really evil or just a wannabe?
| 772 |
Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:34pm |
re: #720 TheMatrix31
Does it matter? I use Google for links ALL THE TIME.
For purposes of being "fed up with it"? Of course it does -- I'm pretty sure neither you or Walter are "fed up" with the claim HCR opposers are racists from repeatedly reading this Hanania column. See my Kagan example. Is it fair in your opinion to say "I'm fed up with conservatives portraying Kagan as a nazi sympathizer" if you can find a couple of articles from the Examiner and Human Events doing it?
| 773 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:47pm |
I think the Magical Balance Fairy has been kicked around enough tonight... I'm going to bed...
P.S. It's my intent of following up the email I posted about Steve with another phone call tomorrow, or as soon as I can catch him answering the phone, so I'll update here if needed.
| 774 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:48pm |
re: #769 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't love Gus, but out spooning time is awesome.
/
our, not out, pimf. Geez.
| 775 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:37:58pm |
re: #768 TheMatrix31
Googling is bad!
It really is.
You think you're looking for something completely innocuous and then, BAM, ZOMG THAT'S SOME NASTY PORN!!!
| 776 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:38:06pm |
re: #748 Nimed
Actually, I kinda like to whine about those once in a while. :)
That's why, even with this whole "burn a Quran day" episode, I'm pretty leery of the argument that it shouldn't be done because it endangers the troops. There are plenty of better reasons IMO to criticize this lunacy.
This. Very much so.
| 777 |
Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:38:14pm |
That Magical Balance Fairy meme is already old. Doesn't work. It's almost like "but thanks for playing" which is an old LGF device.
| 778 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:38:23pm |
re: #773 Walter L. Newton
I think the Magical Balance Fairy has been kicked around enough tonight... I'm going to bed...
P.S. It's my intent of following up the email I posted about Steve with another phone call tomorrow, or as soon as I can catch him answering the phone, so I'll update here if needed.
Thanks.
| 779 |
elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:38:35pm |
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
(should I?)
Well yes, it says there are nasty, evil racist out there...
You're the one who brought it up. Nobody here was talking about racism until you started whining unprompted about being accused of being a racist.
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
now, what does this tell you...
[Link: www.google.com...]
That many people during the Bush administration were actually talking seriously about policies of preventive war and unitary executive theory?
Not relevant to racism though.
| 780 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:38:59pm |
re: #771 brookly red
Yo Varek, I was gonna go downtown and show some libs CBO numbers on da healthcare bill... heheh. are you really evil or just a wannabe?
That sounds like fun.
| 782 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:39:38pm |
re: #763 Walter L. Newton
(should I?)
Well yes, it says there are nasty, evil racist out there... now, what does this tell you...
[Link: www.google.com...]
Then, there's this.
| 783 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:39:54pm |
re: #772 Nimed
For purposes of being "fed up with it"? Of course it does -- I'm pretty sure neither you or Walter are "fed up" with the claim HCR opposers are racists from repeatedly reading this Hanania column. See my Kagan example. Is it fair in your opinion to say "I'm fed up with conservatives portraying Kagan as a nazi sympathizer" if you can find a couple of articles from the Examiner and Human Events doing it?
I'm fed up with it. Don't know why that's so hard to accept. You're not me.
I'm not fucking Rain Man. I can't recite every character of every link I've ever seen about someone calling someone/people a racist/racists for opposing something this administration is doing.
Sorry broseph.
| 784 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:39:54pm |
| 785 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:40:29pm |
re: #773 Walter L. Newton
I think the Magical Balance Fairy has been kicked around enough tonight... I'm going to bed...
P.S. It's my intent of following up the email I posted about Steve with another phone call tomorrow, or as soon as I can catch him answering the phone, so I'll update here if needed.
I never heard of the Magical Balance Fairy. Is it related to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:40:35pm |
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:40:37pm |
re: #438 daddylawbucks
That's crap. No president in recent memory has been subjected to the barrage of racism and hate that Obama has drawn. If you don't see it that way, your eyes are closed.
How dare you call all Republicans racists? Oh, wait, I just read your post and that's not what you're doing at all.
But don't you remember all the racism and xenophobia that Nixon and Clinton had to put up with? The venom over that middle name Milhous was just insane.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:40:49pm |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:41:40pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:42:01pm |
Sorry. But I still don't understand why this whole racism bullcrap came up.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:42:26pm |
re: #783 TheMatrix31
I'm fed up with it. Don't know why that's so hard to accept. You're not me.
I'm not fucking Rain Man. I can't recite every character of every link I've ever seen about someone calling someone/people a racist/racists for opposing something this administration is doing.
Sorry broseph.
But you're really, really, sick of it.
I can understand that. I got really, really sick of people being accused of hating America when they opposed things Bush was doing.
But I tried not to bring it up randomly, every three minutes, when people were talking about Bush's actual actions and records.
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blueraven Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:42:35pm |
re: #732 Walter L. Newton
Hey... Blueraven... can I buy this quote from you... "It is a tired diversionary tactic. It is old. It is stale. It is boring..."
It's a-marvelous-blow-off-I-don't-want-to-intelligently -discuss-the-issue sort of statement... multi usable... it could even be used on almost any blog... sort of cross-pollenated snark.
Only if you promise to stop doing it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:42:38pm |
Video break, anyone?
Some incredibly stunning, time lapsed footage taken in the Dale of Jelenia Gora, Poland. Absolutely Beautiful.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:43:04pm |
In traditional slacker fashion I just finished something I had all weekend to do so that I'd be prepared when I came in for work on Tuesday.
Now I'm for bed as well...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:43:47pm |
re: #786 Varek Raith
HEIL PREVIEW!
There are now more hits for "Obama Hitler" than "Bush Hitler". I don't know just what that means, but it doesn't seem to bode well for us improving our national dialogue any time soon.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:43:53pm |
re: #785 NJDhockeyfan
I never heard of the Magical Balance Fairy. Is it related to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
no the balance fairy wave sher wand over the media & they report that a 6 trillion dollar bill will balance the budget... if you see her use bird shot.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:44:06pm |
re: #795 jamesfirecat
In traditional slacker fashion I just finished something I had all weekend to do so that I'd be prepared when I came in for work on Tuesday.
Now I'm for bed as well...
Scored a bag of chronic, did we?
/
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:44:17pm |
Actually, the big winner of who started the race thing is #438....DADDYLAWBUCKS! Come on downnnnnnnnnnn *plays Price Is Right song*
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:44:18pm |
re: #787 palomino
How dare you call all Republicans racists? Oh, wait, I just read your post and that's not what you're doing at all.
But don't you remember all the racism and xenophobia that Nixon and Clinton had to put up with? The venom over that middle name Milhous was just insane.
Now, there is that little boy called Milhous in The Simpsons.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:45:04pm |
re: #796 SanFranciscoZionist
There are now more hits for "Obama Hitler" than "Bush Hitler". I don't know just what that means, but it doesn't seem to bode well for us improving our national dialogue any time soon.
it is a vast improvement... a few years ago most people couldn't name the president.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:45:46pm |
re: #799 TheMatrix31
Actually, the big winner of who started the race thing is #438...DADDYLAWBUCKS! Come on downnn *plays Price Is Right song*
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I think he's correct.
This is not to say that Bush and Clinton didn't get hated on extensively, but I think Obama is the sad winner of the biggest hate cookie in recent times.
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:45:57pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
What's your problem B_sharp... never heard this before? "If you don't agree with Obamacare, you're racist", if you don't agree with this or that, you're racist.
I have some of the most non-racist bones in my body you'll ever see, and I'm getting tired of the implications.
So...
Who in the mainstream left is saying that merely opposing his policies is racist?
Sane conservatives like Frum and Brooks oppose his policies all the time and don't get called racist.
It's an element of the tea party along with the Becks and Gellars of the world who are attacked as racist, and they deserve the charge.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:46:10pm |
re: #801 brookly red
it is a vast improvement... a few years ago most people couldn't name the president.
I saw one on stage at the second Million Man March. Fucking idiot.
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:46:13pm |
re: #799 TheMatrix31
Actually, the big winner of who started the race thing is #438...DADDYLAWBUCKS! Come on downnn *plays Price Is Right song*
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
OK But that wasn't a direct indictment of anyone here. It was a general declaration. It still holds true to a great extent. Saying that race doesn't play into the hatred of Obama would be foolish.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:46:37pm |
re: #804 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw one on stage at the second Million Man March. Fucking idiot.
A president, or a Hitler, or what?
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:47:39pm |
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:47:57pm |
re: #783 TheMatrix31
I'm fed up with it. Don't know why that's so hard to accept. You're not me.
I'm not fucking Rain Man. I can't recite every character of every link I've ever seen about someone calling someone/people a racist/racists for opposing something this administration is doing.
Sorry broseph.
Look dude, you obviously can be fed up with it all you want. The fact is that during the HCR debate there was no such thing as a widespread attempt to characterize reform opposers as racists. Just as, during the Kagan nomination, very few conservatives actually said that Kagan had nazi sympathies (I still think that the other arguments from those who opposed her confirmation were silly, but that's another matter).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:48:13pm |
re: #806 SanFranciscoZionist
A president, or a Hitler, or what?
Actually asked who the President was. It was Bush. The guy was some rapper. I just wanted to see the Farrakan speech.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:48:38pm |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:48:38pm |
re: #802 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't care about correct or incorrect. I already addressed it anyway in that of course he's subject to racism the most, because he's the first African-American President we've had.
The reason I brought his post up was because people were wondering how the discussion started and why Walter "always brings it up"
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:48:55pm |
re: #810 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually asked who the President was. It was Bush. The guy was some rapper. I just wanted to see the Farrakan speech.
Farrakan is an asshole.
| 816 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:49:11pm |
re: #810 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually asked who the President was. It was Bush. The guy was some rapper. I just wanted to see the Farrakan speech.
LOL.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:49:28pm |
re: #805 Gus 802
Yes, it would be foolish. Good thing I didn't say that.
| 818 |
Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:49:38pm |
re: #812 SanFranciscoZionist
What's it doing to you?
The google image is replace by bouncing... somethings.
Annoying.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:50:30pm |
re: #813 TheMatrix31
Don't care about correct or incorrect. I already addressed it anyway in that of course he's subject to racism the most, because he's the first African-American President we've had.
The reason I brought his post up was because people were wondering how the discussion started and why Walter "always brings it up"
Yes. Check Walter's #444 for Walter's standard disclaimer on this whole mess.
And yes, being black sort of does put him in the line for racist crap, this is true. I just didn't expect the attacks on him were going to be quite this way out.
| 820 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:50:34pm |
re: #815 Gus 802
Farrakan is an asshole.
He had great ideas. Like the Ministry of Defense. Unlike the Department of Defense. I hate him. Douche.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:51:15pm |
re: #818 Varek Raith
The google image is replace by bouncing... somethings.
Annoying.
no I think you typed in Booble...
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:51:40pm |
re: #819 SanFranciscoZionist
Morons will be morons, I suppose.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:52:20pm |
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Gus Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:52:29pm |
re: #817 TheMatrix31
Yes, it would be foolish. Good thing I didn't say that.
I didn't say you did. I've been critical of Obama and have had my moments. There's no need to feel defensive about being critical about Obama thinking that it will lead to accusations of racism. People were expressing their opposition to Obama saying "they talk about me like a dog" but not once did racism cross my mind.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:52:42pm |
re: #818 Varek Raith
Walter and I are too busy being criminals and searching Google for links. It's probably throwing the site for a loop. Sorry bro!
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:54:58pm |
re: #823 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or boobie.
/please give me this!!!
Wack!
oh fuck... I think I am possessed.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:55:01pm |
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:56:04pm |
re: #813 TheMatrix31
Don't care about correct or incorrect. I already addressed it anyway in that of course he's subject to racism the most, because he's the first African-American President we've had.
The reason I brought his post up was because people were wondering how the discussion started and why Walter "always brings it up"
It's not just racism though. I can't imagine a President Colin Powell or even Deval Patrick/Harold Ford having to put up with all this crap. None lived in Indonesia; none has a Kenyan Muslim father; none has a mid name like Hussein.
It's a toxic mixture of the leftover dead-end racism of a previous generation and some very timely, know-nothing xenophobia.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:56:26pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:56:49pm |
re: #815 Gus 802
Farrakan is an asshole.
The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.
Louis Farrakhan
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:57:10pm |
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:58:27pm |
re: #796 SanFranciscoZionist
There are now more hits for "Obama Hitler" than "Bush Hitler". I don't know just what that means, but it doesn't seem to bode well for us improving our national dialogue any time soon.
In less than 2 years, compared to Bush's 8?
So on a per diem basis, he's getting more than four times as much. This does not surprise me.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:58:48pm |
re: #830 NJDhockeyfan
The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.
Louis Farrakhan
Gasp!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Sep 6, 2010 9:59:02pm |
re: #828 palomino
It's not just racism though. I can't imagine a President Colin Powell or even Deval Patrick/Harold Ford having to put up with all this crap. None lived in Indonesia; none has a Kenyan Muslim father; none has a mid name like Hussein.
It's a toxic mixture of the leftover dead-end racism of a previous generation and some very timely, know-nothing xenophobia.
Yeah, I think all of that is an extra inciting factor.
Obama is sort of the perfect storm in some ways.
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brookly red Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:00:02pm |
re: #834 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I think all of that is an extra inciting factor.
Obama is sort of the perfect storm in some ways.
/and so it was written...
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:00:34pm |
re: #825 TheMatrix31
Walter and I are too busy being criminals and searching Google for links. It's probably throwing the site for a loop. Sorry bro!
9_9 I suppose this is the part where you endlessly bitch about an accusation nobody has made in the first place.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:00:56pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:01:11pm |
All right. I lost 25 pounds in 4-6 weeks and I have gained much of it back. And I am about to add to it. Then bed. It's been a good night, ya'll. Sleep tight.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:02:22pm |
re: #828 palomino
It's not just racism though. I can't imagine a President Colin Powell or even Deval Patrick/Harold Ford having to put up with all this crap. None lived in Indonesia; none has a Kenyan Muslim father; none has a mid name like Hussein.
It's a toxic mixture of the leftover dead-end racism of a previous generation and some very timely, know-nothing xenophobia.
Which is why I just shake my head when a wingnut says "Obama only won because he's black!" You take the same guy, the same way of speaking and thinking, the same policy proposals - everything - and make him white? It's the second coming of RFK. That guy would have won by the biggest landslide the modern age had ever seen.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:03:48pm |
re: #836 Nimed
You acted as if it was such a crime to use Google to get the proper links for incidents we remembered. Here, it's in post #714.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Time for Seinfeld. It's more interesting than worthless arguing. Later.
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Varek Raith Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:03:56pm |
Lol...
Image: 396669_f.jpg
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:04:45pm |
re: #834 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I think all of that is an extra inciting factor.
Obama is sort of the perfect storm in some ways.
I still find it astonishing he got elected given all these factors. It's a real testament to how much America has changed for the better.
His election would not have been possible a generation ago. A generation from now, though, the election of someone like him will be more likely and probably far less controversial. The demographic trends just don't lie.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:05:26pm |
re: #840 TheMatrix31
You acted as if it was such a crime to use Google to get the proper links for incidents we remembered. Here, it's in post #714.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I really hate it when people accuse me of being a pawn of the Illuminati... <_<
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:05:59pm |
re: #839 elbruce
Which is why I just shake my head when a wingnut says "Obama only won because he's black!" You take the same guy, the same way of speaking and thinking, the same policy proposals - everything - and make him white? It's the second coming of RFK. That guy would have won by the biggest landslide the modern age had ever seen.
I woulda voted against him either way. Great thing I don't give a fuck if someone is black, white, blue, red, or orange.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:06:53pm |
re: #844 TheMatrix31
I woulda voted against him either way. Great thing I don't give a fuck if someone is black, white, blue, red, or orange.
I never suggested that you did. But I'm glad your side lost regardless of your reason for supporting it.
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:07:01pm |
re: #834 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I think all of that is an extra inciting factor.
Obama is sort of the perfect storm in some ways.
Yeah. Obama chose a great time to run for president, but a terrible time to actually become president.
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elbruce Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:08:49pm |
re: #846 palomino
Yeah. Obama chose a great time to run for president, but a terrible time to actually become president.
Is there ever a good time to be President? Because I can't think of one in the past century or so.
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:12:26pm |
re: #848 elbruce
Is there ever a good time to be President? Because I can't think of one in the past century or so.
No, but the combination of wars, economic problems, and social divisions in 2009 were probably the worst any president has started out with since FDR or maybe Truman (although the economy was at least humming along in 1945).
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sagehen Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:12:43pm |
re: #842 palomino
I still find it astonishing he got elected given all these factors. It's a real testament to how much America has changed for the better.
His election would not have been possible a generation ago. A generation from now, though, the election of someone like him will be more likely and probably far less controversial. The demographic trends just don't lie.
And a testament to how much people were hating all things Republican -- how crappy things were looking and how desperately we wanted to be rid of the team that got us to that point.
Remember the next day's Onion?
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Nimed Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:14:37pm |
re: #840 TheMatrix31
You acted as if it was such a crime to use Google to get the proper links for incidents we remembered. Here, it's in post #714.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Time for Seinfeld. It's more interesting than worthless arguing. Later.
Sigh. I'll make it simpler just for you. When you're "fed up" with constantly hearing a specific accusation from the media, you should be able to produce an example of stuff that you've actually being exposed to. As opposed to, you know, a blog entry from some guy nobody has ever heard of, but that appeared as one of the first entries of a google search. Got it?
This is really not that complicated.
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palomino Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:16:38pm |
re: #850 sagehen
And a testament to how much people were hating all things Republican -- how crappy things were looking and how desperately we wanted to be rid of the team that got us to that point.
Remember the next day's Onion?
that one's a classic. the onion, close second to stewart and colbert. sometimes better actually.
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simoom Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:29:17pm |
re: #271 brookly red
what is a special interest? Is PETA? is Planned Parenthood? Amnesty International? or do you only use that term for the NRA? Do tell.
I suppose they would all fall under the term, though when folks think of it negatively they probably are usually thinking of monied interests who lobby for their own narrow commercial/financial gain. As for what the President meant by "powerful interests who have been dominating the agenda of Washington for a very long time", when I watched the speech I took that as referring to Wall Street lobbyists, as he was promoting the financial reform legislation.
| 854 |
simoom Mon, Sep 6, 2010 10:30:56pm |
re: #853 simoom
But that's all kind of beside my original point, which was simply that he clearly was not referring to the now offended and outraged RW blogosphere (or even the GOP).
| 855 |
Ojoe Tue, Sep 7, 2010 5:54:32am |
1. '...bitter, clinging to guns and religion...'
2. "They talk about me like a dog."
3. Touche, Mr. President.
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shai_au Tue, Sep 7, 2010 8:37:28am |
I think it's great how people can take an entire speech, and distill it down into one pithy, off-the-hand comment that probably wasn't even meant to be taken seriously. It certainly saves them effort in having to focus on all those other words.
And he's not whining, he's attacking. By pointing out the negativity of the opposition, painting them (not without reason) as the "party of no", he's strengthening his position, not weakening it.
When it comes to just about everything we’ve done to strengthen our middle class, to rebuild our economy, almost every Republican in Congress says no. Even on things we usually agree on, they say no. If I said the sky was blue, they say no. If I said fish live in the sea, they’d say no. They just think it’s better to score political points before an election than to solve problems. So they said no to help for small businesses, even when the small businesses said we desperately need this. This used to be their key constituency, they said. They said no. No to middle-class tax cuts. They say they’re for tax cuts; I say, okay, let’s give tax cuts to the middle class. No. No to clean energy jobs. No to making college more affordable. No to reforming Wall Street. They’re saying right now, no to cutting more taxes for small business owners and helping them get financing.
You know, I heard -- somebody out here was yelling “Yes we can.” Remember that was our slogan? Their slogan is “No we can’t.”
I'm not 100% sure if this is from the same speech (I stole it from Sully), but I cannot for the life of me see how it indicates whining or weakness. Of course, people will spin it like that, but they'd do that no matter what he said. If it wasn't the dog thing, it'd be something else.
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 7, 2010 4:23:03pm |
re: #856 shai_au
Unscripted comments are more revealing than prepared speeches & the people have every right to scrutinize and discuss them closely.
and on this:
When it comes to just about everything we’ve done to strengthen our middle class, to rebuild our economy, almost every Republican in Congress says no. Even on things we usually agree on, they say no. If I said the sky was blue, they say no. If I said fish live in the sea, they’d say no.
And on and on and on, us vs. them; it takes 2 to tango, Obama buys into this childishness 100%, just like the "other side" does.
They can all go to hell.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 7, 2010 10:25:12pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
I'm not sure it's just talking points, Killgore. Most bloggers don't know much about economics and rely heavily on their faction's economic analysis people. If a Republican announced a economic policy on the first day of a three day weekend, many liberal bloggers would hold some of their fire till Paul Krugman weighed in. If you don't know much about the issue, its better to wait to hear from your experts.
In order to announce an economic policy, the Republican first would have to have an economic policy.
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