No Racism at the Tea Party?
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A few more photographs from the Washington DC tea party, that speak for themselves.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:02:07pm |
Seriously... if the Republican party wants to remain in any way relevant or have a chance of victory in the foreseeable future, they need to jettison these nutjobs immediately.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:05:40pm |
re: #4 BigPapa
Some of the Demos are nutjobs too... but the Demos weren't catering to the nutjobs or allowing themselves to be taken over by the nutjobs. That is what I fear is happening for the Repubs.
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spiderx Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:07:12pm |
but according to FOX news these are patriot rallies
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:07:40pm |
re: #5 Enkidu90046
Some of the Demos are nutjobs too... but the Demos weren't catering to the nutjobs or allowing themselves to be taken over by the nutjobs.
How soon we forget.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:08:12pm |
What's that small sign in the second photo down in the front left? "Crazy Eyes for Czar of (something)"? I'm ass-u-me-ing that "Crazy Eyes" is referring to Michelle O.
Interesting use of "bloodsucking" and "alien", two terms which were usually applied to Jooos in the classical nutcase vocabulary. This "new" fringe movement is fascinating in a way, that it takes general populist paranoia, swaps the vocabulary around, and adopts the worst methods and derangements of both the left and the right from the last 60 years. And all in the name of "patriotism".
That "bang" you just heard wasn't thunder... It was John Adams' head hitting his heavenly desk in frustration.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:08:20pm |
re: #5 Enkidu90046
Some of the Demos are nutjobs too... but the Demos weren't catering to the nutjobs or allowing themselves to be taken over by the nutjobs. That is what I fear is happening for the Repubs.
Quite Concur. Those signs make me sick. More than 50 years since the start of the civil rights movement and people still think signs like that are OK. [sob]
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:09:46pm |
re: #6 spiderx
Then consider me very unpatriotic...
Sadly, my best friend for some 20 years has fallen in with these idiots and my attempts to bring him back to sanity have failed miserably. About the only thing we have in common any more is cheering for the Seahawks.
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:10:33pm |
re: #3 Enkidu90046
Seriously... if the Republican party wants to remain in any way relevant or have a chance of victory in the foreseeable future, they need to jettison these nutjobs immediately.
There doesn't seem to be any interest on the conservative side of the blogosphere -- at least none that I've seen. None of his has been addressed by official leadership. The attitude thus far has been that these people are in a minority and that showing these images is "left wing propaganda." Now, keep in mind that it wasn't just the signage. There were also the speakers belonging the the usual suspects of "abolish the Fed types," Dominionists, Ron Paulians, etc. According to them we, or they, are supposed to bury it. Doesn't work that way anymore in this era of the internet and wireless communication.
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Flavia Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:10:42pm |
To be fair, I do not think the 3rd, or even the 4th, is racist so much as just plain stupid. Let's be fair - his father is Kenyan - just like my great-grandmother was Irish (FOB!). And the "Muslim" part is just insane, rather than specifically racist-insane. Tho' I suppose some people are anti-Mulsim in the racist sense, like the way they are anti-Jewish in the same sense.
Then again, even if it isn't racist per se, does that really make it any better?
Sigh.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:12:09pm |
re: #7 Dar ul Harb
How soon we forget.
Please remind me then... when were the democrats catering to or being taken over by the nutjobs in their party like the republicans are doing now (and self destructing before my eyes and leaving me with no party that even vaguely represents me).
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:14:12pm |
Just as the Iraq "anti-war" rallies were largely organized by Marxists like International A.N.S.W.E.R., some of the organizers of these protests are apparently wacked-out groups of the rightward fringes, Ron Paul supporters, etc. Doesn't necessarily mean that even the majority of those participating in either case are fully aware of who's channelling their energies, or who they're associating with.
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:16:34pm |
Picture 1: Flat out racist.
Picture 2: Racist Nirther.
Picture 3: Racist Islamophobe Nirther.
Picture 4: Racist Nirther.
~75% of racist bullshit (based on this little unscientific poll) comes from Nirther conspiracy kooks.
Step 1: Get rid of the goddamn nirthers. Relegate these bastards back to the JBS fringes of the Libertarian party where they belong. The remaining racists will be fewer and easier to shun. The adults in the party outside of the commenters here should have been hammering these idiots from day one.
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stickman Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:17:47pm |
Are you trying to convince us that this is wrong? Of course! Please, all the kooks step away from the area. Enough already!!
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:18:28pm |
re: #14 Dar ul Harb
Even if we accept that, it isn't like the democratic leadership aligned themselves with groups like ANSWER or were parroting their extremist nonsense or openly catering to them. I don't recall any democrats shouting out "you lie" to President Bush and then being treated like heroes for having done so.
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UncleSam Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:20:06pm |
Great.
Now we get four or eight years of right wing lunatics, to balance out the
last eight years of left wing lunatics.
Pass me the barf bag.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:20:17pm |
re: #16 stickman
Are you trying to convince us that this is wrong? Of course! Please, all the kooks step away from the area. Enough already!!
I don't want to look! You can't make me look! Waaah!
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:20:50pm |
re: #18 ted
So were those people who joined the Nazi party in the 1930s...
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:21:35pm |
re: #21 Enkidu90046
So were those people who joined the Nazi party in the 1930s...
"We need breathing room!"
"Earth, Hitler, 1938."
When in doubt, call Captain Kirk
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ted Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:21:54pm |
re: #21 Enkidu90046
So were those people who joined the Nazi party in the 1930s...
Don't get your point...
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:22:06pm |
re: #19 UncleSam
Great.
Now we get four or eight years of right wing lunatics, to balance out the
last eight years of left wing lunatics.
Pass me the barf bag.
And it comes with Nirther Hip Hop!
/
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Racer X Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:22:11pm |
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, 'My son, the battle is between two 'wolves' inside us all.
One is Evil. - It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other is Good. - It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.'
The grandson thought about it for a while and then asked his grandfather: 'Which wolf wins?'
The old Cherokee simply replied, 'The one you feed.'
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:23:00pm |
re: #23 ted
I thought you were defending the people in those pics. If I misinterpreted your comment, I apologize.
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:23:03pm |
re: #17 Enkidu90046
Even if we accept that, it isn't like the democratic leadership aligned themselves with groups like ANSWER or were parroting their extremist nonsense or openly catering to them. I don't recall any democrats shouting out "you lie" to President Bush and then being treated like heroes for having done so.
Well they did heckle and boo him loudly when he mentioned Social Security eventually going bankrupt in the 2005 SotU Address, so they did do it. Does not make screaming "you lie" at Obama alright, but they did do something similar or worse at least once.
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:24:29pm |
re: #17 Enkidu90046
BUSH LIED US INTO WAR
/don't remember that one?
And how about Howard Dean's statement on Diane Rehm's radio show that
"The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis," Dean told a caller to Washington, D.C's Diane Rehm Show, according to a transcript obtained by Opinion Journal.com.
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ted Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:24:54pm |
re: #26 Enkidu90046
I thought you were defending the people in those pics. If I misinterpreted your comment, I apologize.
I,m not...I don't agree with this kind of tactic...
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:26:37pm |
re: #28 Dar ul Harb
I'd like to see that quote in its full context. Howard Dean may be a lot of things, but I never heard that he was a LIHOP 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:26:41pm |
re: #11 Gus 802
My nic is blue, please contact!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:26:54pm |
re: #28 Dar ul Harb
BUSH LIED US INTO WAR
/don't remember that one?
And how about Howard Dean's statement on Diane Rehm's radio show that
Umm... he did lie again and again about WMD that were not there.
And don't had me the whole botched intelligence thing. Uranium centrifuges are big things and you need thousands of them in a large facility to get anywhere. You can not easily hide such a thing. It is right there in the open - like it is in Iran.
So, yes, he lied - or at best convinced himself that a falsehood was true.
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:27:09pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:28:13pm |
re: #15 ArchangelMichael
Picture 1: Flat out racist.
Picture 2: Racist Nirther.
Picture 3: Racist Islamophobe Nirther.
Picture 4: Racist Nirther.~75% of racist bullshit (based on this little unscientific poll) comes from Nirther conspiracy kooks.
Step 1: Get rid of the goddamn nirthers. Relegate these bastards back to the JBS fringes of the Libertarian party where they belong. The remaining racists will be fewer and easier to shun. The adults in the party outside of the commenters here should have been hammering these idiots from day one.
And yet, people like Rush, Palin, Beck and Inhofe to name a few keep on fanning their flames...
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:28:39pm |
I have one more post full of pictures that I'll put up tomorrow, focusing on the threats of violence.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:29:20pm |
re: #33 Gus 802
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post.
"113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:29:34pm |
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:29:56pm |
re: #35 Charles
I am already bracing myself for the sadness I will feel tomorrow when I see them.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:31:22pm |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post."113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
If you need backup Gus, just holler. And if folks from Rodan's place start harassing you, don't hesitate to call the cops.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:31:50pm |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post."113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
That should be reported to their web host immediately.
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:31:51pm |
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spiderx Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:32:41pm |
re: #28 Dar ul Harb
BUSH LIED US INTO WAR
/don't remember that one?
And how about Howard Dean's statement on Diane Rehm's radio show that
Saying Bush lied us into war is a statement that is at least in the realm of reality. You could have an argument on whether or not Bush mislead the country.
Things like Obama being a secret muslim, an alien, anti christ, born in Kenya etc. This stuff is just craziness. It has no basis in reality.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:33:15pm |
Here's the address of their web host's legal department: legal -at- bluehost.com
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:33:33pm |
re: #40 Charles
I'm WAY new to this kinda stuff.
What should I do?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:33:44pm |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post."113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
Sick bastards.
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:33:51pm |
re: #43 Charles
Here's the address of their web host's legal department: legal -at- bluehost.com
Any suggestions on a form letter?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:34:08pm |
re: #44 Floral Giraffe
I'm WAY new to this kinda stuff.
What should I do?
Send them a link to the comment, and the text of it, and let them know this is a threat.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:34:44pm |
Be polite, of course. But let them know you're concerned.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:35:31pm |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post."113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
And BTW, do the losers on 2.0 really think that the people on this blog are all defenseless?
Gus, I really do know how to fight... And I know a lot of very mean Jewish lawyers...
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:35:33pm |
re: #48 Charles
Be polite, of course. But let them know you're concerned.
OK, sending one out now.
Got a screen shot.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:35:54pm |
re: #37 Dar ul Harb
More regarding Howard Dean's finding the "BUSH KNEW" thoery "interesting."
That's a bit more serious than yelling out "You lie!" to President Obama's face.
Actually... I think there is a very rational explanation for Dean's comments that has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracy theories. There WERE warnings of an impending attack on the United States that were ignored. We know that Israel had warned the US about an impending attack and had been following several of the 9/11 terrorists and that Israel's warnings were ignored. There may have been other warnings from other foreign sources too that were ignored. This isn't a LIHOP 9/11 conspiracy theory so much as it a criticism of the Bush presidency for not paying due attention to warnings that were being given to it... criticisms which I think are completely fair game and legitimate.
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spiderx Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:36:16pm |
re: #37 Dar ul Harb
More regarding Howard Dean's finding the "BUSH KNEW" thoery "interesting."
That's a bit more serious than yelling out "You lie!" to President Obama's face.
and that was about the time the Dean campaign started free falling. Even people that were backing Dean were upset with that remark. You didn't have all these Dean supporters making up signs saying Bush knew.
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ejp0805 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:36:17pm |
I don't see how "Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot" is racist. That's a takeoff on an anti-Bush bumper sticker. A little tasteless and disrespectful, sure, but hardly racist.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:36:18pm |
re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote
Which is my way of saying give a call and I got your back.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:36:38pm |
re: #15 ArchangelMichael
Picture 1: Flat out racist.
Picture 2: Racist Nirther.
Picture 3: Racist Islamophobe Nirther.
Picture 4: Racist Nirther.
It's a Big Tent!
A big, white tent made out of a sheet.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:37:14pm |
re: #53 ejp0805
I don't see how "Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot" is racist. That's a takeoff on an anti-Bush bumper sticker. A little tasteless and disrespectful, sure, but hardly racist.
Oh, no. It's not racist at all to suggest a black man should go back to Africa. Not one bit.
cough
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:37:58pm |
re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote
And BTW, do the losers on 2.0 really think that the people on this blog are all defenseless?
Gus, I really do know how to fight... And I know a lot of very mean Jewish lawyers...
Interestingly, I am a mean Jewish lawyer who also knows how to fight.
;)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:38:31pm |
re: #53 ejp0805
It's a nirther sign that implies that Barack Obama should "go back to Africa". How can you not find that racist?!
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:38:48pm |
re: #48 Charles
Be polite, of course. But let them know you're concerned.
Hey, do I need to use my full name when contacting these people?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:39:30pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
It's a Big Tent!
A big, white tent made out of a sheet.
I think Senator Byrd has some experience pitching tents like that.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:39:41pm |
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Arbalest Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:39:55pm |
Yes, these posters are regrettable. Fortunately, they are not as prevalent in the crowd as the anti-Bush posters were in most Leftist demonstrations (nor as extreme: no severed-head posters seen, no iartistic bullet holes, . . . , no foreign movie dramatizations). Many of these right-wing protesters seem marginally capable of violence; perhaps a good talking-to.
Victor Davis Hanson has a nice article “The Rise of the Uncouth”.
Regrettably, it’s at Pajamas Media, and I’m uncertain of the appropriateness of such a link.
He makes several good arguments, among them that, essentially, “Not So Long Ago”, this sort of behavior was acceptable.
It isn’t acceptable, shouldn’t be, and shouldn’t have been. But the Left was allowed . . . and with the MSM reporting methodology over the last year or two, maybe more, the Right seems to feel that what was sauce for . . .
More VDH: “But too late. Once the walls are stormed, and ramparts of decency in rubble, it is very hard to rebuild the stones to fend off the barbarians, given the power of natural coarseness, and the problem of legitimacy and irony (Why should we believe that you are shocked at Joe Wilson now, when you booed George Bush not long ago?)”
There's also Rep. Pete Stark, what is he best known for?
Perhaps letting the Right balance some of the more egregious debts, simply as a safety valve isn't such a bad idea.
To end these things, let’s get the MSM to really investigate ACORN, several the Czars, etc. No Maxine, it is you who should be investigated; first for your banking ties, then . . . and not by journalists.
If the charge of "racism/racist" is applied to every opposition point, immediately, with no evidence, then perhaps it isn't a valid charge.
But Hanson is correct in his conclusion:
“The solution, of course, is for the majority to simply say enough is enough, and declare a personal code of decency:”
Unfortunately, it looks like we might have to wait for a few more corporate bankruptcies first.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:40:02pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
It's a Big Tent!
A big, white tent made out of a sheet.
Do you think they will be burning any lower care T's for "time to go home"?
/South Park reference
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:40:41pm |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
Quite frankly, it was Saddam Hussein that lied. He was afraid that if Iran didn't believe he had WMDs, or at least a real possibility of having them, they'd perceive him as weak. He lied to his own military about having them. The field commanders were led to believe that while their own unit might not have WMDs, some of the other nearby units did. Or that the elite units more loyal to Saddam did.
An intelligence failure on the part of the U.S. and other western intelligence services is not implausible in the least under such circumstances, considering how the C.I.A. didn't think the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse either, when it was lying to itself about how its economy was doing. If you've got a situation in which a closed society is lying to itself, it's rather difficult for an outsider to find out what's really going on.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:41:12pm |
re: #65 Charles
Here come the excuse-makers.
Out of curiosity, is there any correlation between the two? I would imagine that most people who waste their time viciously downdinging can't bear to let an opportunity to "clear the record" go by.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:41:32pm |
re: #63 Arbalest
Yes, these posters are regrettable.
Yeah. "Regrettable." Nothing to really be upset about. Just, you know, regrettable.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:42:19pm |
re: #64 Enkidu90046
lower CASE not care... I am tired today...
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:42:31pm |
And of course, it's just a tiny minority.
Except that it wasn't. These kinds of signs were everywhere.
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:43:01pm |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
Umm... he did lie again and again about WMD that were not there.
And don't had me the whole botched intelligence thing. Uranium centrifuges are big things and you need thousands of them in a large facility to get anywhere. You can not easily hide such a thing. It is right there in the open - like it is in Iran.
So, yes, he lied - or at best convinced himself that a falsehood was true.
Are we going to have to go through this again...
If Bush "lied" about this, so did the intelligence communities and leadership of every western country including our own, and the Clinton Administration. Saddam's own military leaders believed they had stockpiles of chemical weapons hidden somewhere until he revealed hours before the invasion started that they did not exist.
Nuclear weapons were never the central WMD claim anyway, chemical and biological weapons were. There were claims, false ones mostly, that Saddam was attempting to obtain Uranium. There were stories, the veracity of which I do not know, of materials that would be used to build the centrifuges had been seized before the war. Regardless of the truth of either of them, there would not be running centrifuges if he did not have the materials to build them or the Uranium to put in them. Saddam either couldn't get the materials or never tried. His previous possession and use of chemical weapons was well known and documented.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:43:03pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:43:17pm |
re: #70 Charles
And of course, it's just a tiny minority.
Except that it wasn't. These kinds of signs were everywhere.
Oh, but Charles, if you count how many signs actually were there, and compare them against the 2-million-plus attendees, they WERE a tiny minority.
/
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:43:39pm |
re: #57 Enkidu90046
Interestingly, I am a mean Jewish lawyer who also knows how to fight.
;)
Go Tribe!
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:43:47pm |
re: #46 Gus 802
Any suggestions on a form letter?
Yes, write them and mention your concerns, (politely) and point out you believe it's a violation of their TOS, specifically this provision:
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and
these:
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Bear this in mind as well:
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In other words, the owner of the blog is also responsible for the content of all comments posted on the blog-- so it doesn't matter if your info is appearing in comments signed by "anonymous" or anything like that.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:44:00pm |
re: #70 Charles
And of course, it's just a tiny minority.
Except that it wasn't. These kinds of signs were everywhere.
People will still miss them if they are determined not to see them, We call those people fools.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:44:27pm |
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ejp0805 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:44:29pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
It's a nirther sign that implies that Barack Obama should "go back to Africa". How can you not find that racist?!
I agree that nirthers are ridiculous and I don't approve of the tone. I'm just saying it's more a takeoff on an anti-Bush bumper sticker than a racist statement.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I think people are throwing around the racism charge much too recklessly lately, on both sides. People on the right (Glen Beck) and left (Janene Garofalo) to cite just two recent ridiculous examples.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:44:39pm |
re: #77 Enkidu90046
Two million plus attendees???
You sure you want to stick with that figure?
You missed the sarc tag, didn't you.
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:45:00pm |
re: #77 Enkidu90046
Two million plus attendees???
You sure you want to stick with that figure?
Um, you missed that sarc tag.
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:45:44pm |
re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote
And yet, people like Rush, Palin, Beck and Inhofe to name a few keep on fanning their flames...
I said the adults in the party, as in the emotional and intellectual grown ups. Not whackos and drama queens.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:45:53pm |
re: #78 ejp0805
I think people are throwing around the racism charge much too recklessly lately, on both sides.
Right. Wouldn't want to recklessly assume that there's something racist about telling a black president he should go back to Africa. People are just so sensitive these days.
/dripping
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:46:11pm |
re: #74 LudwigVanQuixote
Unfortunately, I had to learn how to fight... I was the only Jewish kid growing up in my town which was full of skinheads and other unsavory types of a similar mindset.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:46:57pm |
re: #79 thedopefishlives
You missed the sarc tag, didn't you.
ARGH... I said I was tired... I should just quit for the evening...
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:47:02pm |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post."113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
WTF is the matter with people? Absolutely insane.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:47:15pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:47:23pm |
re: #71 ArchangelMichael
Ok the short form is that the story changed lots of times and that it was originally about a nuclear program. That was certainly what Powell's speech to the UN was all about - remember the trucks with the centrifuges?
As to the community f'ing up, there were lots of stories about the White House making certain it was told what it wanted to hear.
So, no, he lied. period.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:47:47pm |
re: #47 Charles
Copied you, I'm not very tech-savy. To put it mildly.
Gus, I've got your back.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:49:16pm |
re: #81 ArchangelMichael
I said the adults in the party, as in the emotional and intellectual grown ups. Not whackos and drama queens.
Look I agree. I actually would nothing more than an intelligent center right party to balance the Dems out. But the GOP is not that at the moment.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:50:26pm |
re: #83 Enkidu90046
Unfortunately, I had to learn how to fight... I was the only Jewish kid growing up in my town which was full of skinheads and other unsavory types of a similar mindset.
Same with me... It is astonishing how respectful someone who was calling you a filthy kike becomes once they are in a hurt-lock.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:51:09pm |
re: #78 ejp0805
The race card gets played too often, but it can be legitimately played on that sign. Black people in America have been repeatedly subjects to some very ugly slurs. When you throw out a line that borrows from those slurs, you are being a racist. Period.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:51:48pm |
I notice nobody's making any excuses for that first sign.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:52:22pm |
re: #66 Dar ul Harb
Two words about the pressure the Bush White House put on the intelligence community to get the story it wanted...
Valerie Plame.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:53:56pm |
re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote
Same with me... It is astonishing how respectful someone who was calling you a filthy kike becomes once they are in a hurt-lock.
I wish I could say that... unfortunately, my fights were usually 3 or 4 on one, and I cannot say I ever won any of them (winning against more than one attack is really only something that happens in the movies). My goal was just to hurt one of them bad enough before I ended up in the fetal position.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:54:23pm |
re: #56 Charles
Ya know, when I was a kid of all about six or seven, I got into a fight with an older kid at his house. He told me to go home and pushed me towards the door (he was a few years older, and much bigger).
I was extremely mad, and came this [.] close to telling him to go home, back to Africa of course. But I bit my damn tongue, because I knew that was just a fucked up thing to say to someone, even when angry.
If I, as a six or seven year old kid, can have enough sense to see how that would be both offensive and racist, why is it that these grown adults are too gawt-damned stupid to see that?
Poor genetics? Dropped as a baby? What?
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:55:17pm |
When I look at this photo:
I wonder why almost no one gets on Glenn Reynold's case. When Instapundit was young I used to think it was a good idea, and still the "Army of Davids" concept has merit... I think. Yet with no accountability in the [Link: WWW...] is nearly impossible to get people to stop pimping whatever gets them more blog hits.
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Arbalest Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:55:42pm |
re: #68 Charles
Please recall the severed-head poster of Bush, or perhaps the guillotime mockup. Or the few with a painted bullet hole. Or . . .
Assign a value or word of “extremeness” to it. Do the same to the signs in the photos you post.
Please compare the values / words.
Comparatively, "Regrettable" might be an understatement, but only just so.
The signs you post are ugly, but much less so than those catalogued by Zombie, Ringo and others.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:55:47pm |
re: #93 Charles
I notice nobody's making any excuses for that first sign.
There are some things that are simply beyond any defense. The first sign is quite clearly racist and anyone who defended would just get downdinged and then booted.
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:56:34pm |
re: #94 LudwigVanQuixote
Two words about the pressure the Bush White House put on the intelligence community to get the story it wanted...
Valerie Plame.
I laugh in your general direction.
Alas, someone else will have to explain the joke to you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:56:35pm |
re: #63 Arbalest
Don't worry, you'll get to see plenty of that kind of bullshit from the tea partiers in tomorrow's post.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:56:51pm |
re: #98 Arbalest
One word:
No.
Ugliness is ugliness, period. This sort of stuff isn't "regrettable", it's "unacceptable". Or abhorrent. Or something of significant negativity.
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:57:35pm |
re: #93 Charles
It's indefensible to anyone not wearing a swastika or a white hood.
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:57:35pm |
re: #43 Charles
Here's the address of their web host's legal department: legal -at- bluehost.com
Sent. I cc'd you as well.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:58:26pm |
re: #97 freetoken
Um... Charles, your parsing algorithm cut out characters from my link! The link has six A's in a row... and your parsimonious space-hamster cut it back to three (thus making the link in error.)
How do I embed a link that has long strings of the same character?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:58:51pm |
re: #93 Charles
I notice nobody's making any excuses for that first sign.
I've been trying for the last five minutes to invent some sort of snarky, sarcastic, over-the-top wingnut defense for that sign. I can't do it. I think my head is screwed on too straight.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:00:02pm |
re: #105 freetoken
Um... Charles, your parsing algorithm cut out characters from my link! The link has six A's in a row... and your parsimonious space-hamster cut it back to three (thus making the link in error.)
How do I embed a link that has long strings of the same character?
Uh, right now you can't. But you could use tinyurl or one of those link shorteners.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:00:59pm |
re: #85 BigPapa
WTF is the matter with people? Absolutely insane.
Psychological issues.
I'm not speaking about them in particular, but of a general kind of pathology that the net enables. It's an offshoot of organisational or group psychology, in a way.
The anonymity makes it possible for some people to really cut loose in a way they never would in real life. Everyone has seen that; the general manifestation is the vicious troll who says terrible things online but is a quiet, picked upon person in his real life, or a relatively nice one (presumably).
Something very freaky happens in web communities, though. People start assuming they 'know' someone, or what someone is like, and the distance and anonymity make it possible for them to project all kinds of fantasies onto that person. Often they're rage-filled fantasies. How often does anyone see (or get) a completely inappropriate, highly personalised, vitriolic response -- for no real reason?
And as for what happens here...it's extremely strange, to be sure, but something like it happens in many web communities. Extremely inappropriate feelings of attachment to the host. Bizarre reactions of rage when banned or blocked.
In the comments I've been sent from teh Village of the Banned, a common theme seems to be moaning about how 'unfair' it is to be banned, and how 'unfair' it is 'not to have a chance to defend myself or respond'.
That is some seriously messed up response there. It's a huge internet. Start your own damn blog if you have something to say.
And this notion of 'defending myself'...how strange is that? It's an internet persona, not one's real life. But too many are deeply invested in that persona, to the exclusion of real life, and are using it to work out unresolved issues.
This is a wideopen field for psych research by the way, and I know a couple of people working on papers/dissertations about it. Fascinating, if appalling.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:01:09pm |
Get a load of this post by Dan Riehl, who came out strongly in support of racist Robert Stacy McCain: Riehl World View: A 9/12 Experience: Dangerous Times.
Riding out of DC on the Metro, 9/12, there were some folks from South Dakota and also another Mid-West state I can't recall in the same Metro car. We were talking, nothing special, really - politics, of course.
In the back were maybe ten or so black kids taking up that section of the car. There was no confrontation, just one or two of them talking loudly enough to make sure they'd be heard.
Without resorting to the poor diction it was along the lines of, these are the people who think Obama is the anti-Christ. That McCain he wasn't chit. Obama's going to be president as long as he wants, so these people better get used to it, etc. It went on but not really to a level that was so loud, or so confrontational that it needed to be addressed.
We just ignored them without much trouble at all.
Yeah, they were technically thugs. But the reality was they were still wannabes really, pretty young, not that big, or many. And if the several adults there for 9/12 actually needed to do something about it, the kids wouldn't have lasted very long. Maybe if they were bigger, or more numerous, it might have been worse. Or it may not have happened at all. Who knows?
Brave Dan Riehl! He's bragging that he could beat down some black kids, if they tried something -- of course, they didn't, but man, he would have shown them!
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Cineaste Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:01:26pm |
The logic behind the racism charge is very, very clear.
In today's society even the extreme racist is unlikely to utter true epithets. They know the social consequence is an immediate and total delegitimization so they find proxy statements to express the feeling. Obama never lived in Africa. He lived in Indonesia. He lived in Hawaii. He lived in Illinois. He lived in Massachusetts. Now think about these statements:
Go back to Hawaii.
Go back to Indonesia.
Go back to Illinois.
Go back to Massachusetts.
Go back to Africa.
Only one of them is not correct and thus would only be used for secondary meaning. That meaning has historically been invoked as a racist epithet. The present day racist can use Birtherism and statements like this under the phony veil of being an "issue" when in fact they are just being racist.
One more note. John McCain was born in Panama.
Go back to Panama?
A) Never heard it from anyone.
B) Doesn't have the racist undertones.
If you don't understand the racist implications of these words then you're being deliberately obtuse.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:01:27pm |
Ok, here is the picture of Reynolds with RSM:
[Link: tinyurl.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:03:22pm |
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Summer Seale Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:06:56pm |
Well, the "Massa" sign at the very top reminds me of our...conversation the other night with Diego.
I honestly think he was right. I won't repeat what he said, and I won't get into why everyone did a double-take, but I do think he was correct. I think that sign proves it. Sad, but true. =(
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Randall Gross Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:07:19pm |
re: #111 Cineaste
With McCain the equivalent statement would be "Go Back to Ireland" since his parents were of Irish descent. It would be every bit as racist, tieing back to the notion that people belong in tribes on their particular soil or homeland, and shouldn't show their faces elsewhere. Blood and Soil ideology is at the base of most statements of this sort, it's a way to deny human individuality and to park them in an out group that you don't like.
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Arbalest Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:07:33pm |
re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth
I’ll be cure to check in to see. I’ll also compare to the archives of Zombie, Ringo and others.
re: #102 thedopefishlives
You have a point, similar to my post #68 or #98.
To some degree, this sort of behavior is like a dog snarling back: “See, I can play your game too, and pretty well. Are you cure you want to continue?”
Or, to put it into human terms, possibly “We aren’t going to let the Left require civility of all when they are in power, while reserving the right, only to themselves, to act like savages when they are not.”
Perhaps re-reading my post #68 will clarify my position. Better yet, Check out VDH’s original writing.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:07:58pm |
re: #110 Charles
That post you quote is just dripping with racist overtones.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:08:37pm |
re: #117 Enkidu90046
That post you quote is just dripping with racist overtones.
Absolutely. It's pretty damned appalling. No wonder he decided to pimp Robert Stacy McCain.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:10:17pm |
re: #117 Enkidu90046
That post you quote is just dripping with racist overtones.
Quite concur. He could have ignored the other people's skin color. Instead he chose to dwell on it while attacking their diction. The racism was both obvious and ugly.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:10:56pm |
Ooh, brave Dan Riehl.
Yeah, they were technically thugs. But the reality was they were still wannabes really, pretty young, not that big, or many. And if the several adults there for 9/12 actually needed to do something about it, the kids wouldn't have lasted very long. Maybe if they were bigger, or more numerous, it might have been worse. Or it may not have happened at all. Who knows?
Riehl stoopit.
"Let’s consider what Riehl has just told us. He prefaced his own 9/12 story by referring to it as “dangerous times.” But what did these “dangerous times” consist of? That’s right — a couple of black kids talking smack in the back of a subway car! Dan, is there anything in this world that doesn’t automatically scare you into soiling yourself?"
(comment stolen from another blog, btw)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:12:27pm |
re: #110 Charles
Man, that is just pathetic. People take this guy seriously? With his internet tough guy act?
All studio, no street.
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kellino Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:13:39pm |
Disgusting and reprehensible behavior. Have they no shame?
Did I mention disgusting? And morally bankrupt?
These people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:13:41pm |
re: #116 Arbalest
If you think what is happening on the Right at the moment is anything like what the left did, you are delusional.
If you genuinely believe the left acted this way, and you think that somehow morally exonerates or excuses the Right and relieves you of any need to condemn it-- you are hypocritical and morally bankrupt as well.
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Randall Gross Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:13:45pm |
Time for me to get some sleeps, here's a song that sort of fits the theme of xenophobia.
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:14:15pm |
re: #109 iceweasel
Psychological issues.
The anonymity makes it possible for some people to really cut loose in a way they never would in real life.
I find a common theme in professional/hobbyist blogs I also play in. People let loose there inner self because they don't feel any consequences will be brought to bear. Then boom! Then get bounced and they get shocked back to reality.
A subtext to this is something that I have personal experience with since I'm a professional who also hangs out in a hobbyist forum related to my field. Those who wish to give advice do not take kindly to a professional putting them in check. The phenomenon was noted in a book that ruffled some serious feathers but to which I couldn't find fault, other than it's brashness.
The Rash Of Exuberant Monkeys.
Many bloggers took it as an attack but it wasn't necessarily directed at bloggers, but the denizens participating in those blogs.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:14:52pm |
re: #118 Charles
I have often heard people describe supposed near physical altercations by adding that the guy they were supposedly about to fight was Black... thus to add to the supposed element of danger posed with the racist implication that Blacks are somehow violent thugs.
Listen, I have fought blacks before (along with pretty much every other race and ethnicity on the planet)... but we always touched gloves before we fought and shook hands afterward and usually talked about it in the locker room later. If this guy really wants to prove what a tough fighter he is, I am sure there are plenty of gyms he can go to and spar...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:14:54pm |
re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth
Man, that is just pathetic. People take this guy seriously? With his internet tough guy act?
All studio, no street.
And as far as studio goes, Riehl's studio effort is as bad as Plan 9 from Outer Space.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:16:18pm |
re: #122 kellino
Disgusting and reprehensible behavior. Have they no shame?
Did I mention disgusting? And morally bankrupt?
These people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Upding for beating me to the phrase morally bankrupt!
(but to be all serious and stuff, no matter how much i hate 'em I couldn't support disenfranchising them. I'm assuming you mean that as hyperbole though!)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:16:31pm |
re: #116 Arbalest
I’ll also compare to the archives of Zombie, Ringo and others.
You go ahead and engage in whatever mental gymnastics you need to in order to excuse away this crap in your mind. Pardon me if I don't join you in the moral equivalence circus.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:17:24pm |
re: #109 iceweasel
Very true. Another theme I've noticed is the invariably bizarro world inversion of reality that they recount when they are describing how/why they got banned. "I won all the arguments and all they could do was invent strawmen and use fallacies blah blah blah...and then I got banned - for no reason!"
They know they are lying through their teeth of course - I imagine it must temporarily ease their pain to paint these false pictures and hear other people (who I'm sure know they are lying too) take part in this charade of reality denial by applauding them.
And then there is the outright cognitive dissonance. One comment recently which made me laugh a lot began by claiming that Charles bans for no reason...and then proceeded to give reasons why Charles bans people in the very next breath.
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:18:54pm |
re: #120 iceweasel
Ooh, brave Dan Riehl.
Riehl stoopit.
"Let’s consider what Riehl has just told us. He prefaced his own 9/12 story by referring to it as “dangerous times.” But what did these “dangerous times” consist of? That’s right — a couple of black kids talking smack in the back of a subway car! Dan, is there anything in this world that doesn’t automatically scare you into soiling yourself?"
(comment stolen from another blog, btw)
When you're in a hole, dig faster. That's what the right wing blogs are doing. I was never a member of those sites actually and never tolerated the racism. The most prevalent is the homophobia. Breitbart has the worst around and so did Topix.
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MisterCookie Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:20:39pm |
re: #132 madawaskan
Why don't you save Charles some effort and post some of this supposed encouragement?
Oh, wait, there isn't any!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:21:12pm |
re: #119 Dark_Falcon
Quite concur. He could have ignored the other people's skin color. Instead he chose to dwell on it while attacking their diction. The racism was both obvious and ugly.
What gets me about some idiots is how they look down their noses at "street talk", "ethnic speak", ebonics, or whatever they want to call it, while at the same time excusing something like "Newk-Yah-Ler" as being part of a regional accent.
Of course, I shouldn't expect consistency or intellectual honesty from those types.
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:21:51pm |
re: #132 madawaskan
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:23:04pm |
re: #131 Gus 802
I have to admit, although not being a homophobe in the slighest, I still use homophobic language without thinking about it that I am trying to stop myself from doing. My GF (correctly) points out the number of times derogatorily refer to something as "gay".
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:24:50pm |
Our now-banned idiot 'madawaskan' is an oldie here -- he's a friend of a real freak who went by the name of Mike C., and he's clearly been holding a grudge for a really long time.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:25:13pm |
So some fun lines from the fun site...
That Cato is a nasty pervert. Coward as well
Cato is Gus802’s lover!
Now she looks like Sharmuta….”
“Irish Rose brushing her tooth…BTW- A special note to Nancy, the Irish welfare queen, the chronically unemployed Sharmutant, Killgore Guppy, the dim-witted iceweasel, and all of Nancy’s other ass-kissing, brown-nosing psycho-phants- FUCK YOU, LOSERS!!!
Master and servant. Jimmah probably likes it. Ludwig is just a weak Beta male and I’m sure he and his wife are ok with that.
and so on.. and so on...
Hey Village of the Banned... Bite me!
Though they also suggested I marry Ice...
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Gus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:27:00pm |
re: #137 Enkidu90046
I have to admit, although not being a homophobe in the slighest, I still use homophobic language without thinking about it that I am trying to stop myself from doing. My GF (correctly) points out the number of times derogatorily refer to something as "gay".
Yeah, that depends on your age too. We used to kid around like that back in the 70s using other words. Didn't mean any harm. Right now it's common to do what you describe although they say it's not really a good thing to do. We're not all perfect of course. What I was originally describing was some of the real vile pathological stuff which is common with just about anything on the internet but most particularly regarding gays.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:27:04pm |
re: #100 Dar ul Harb
I laugh in your general direction.
Alas, someone else will have to explain the joke to you.
You mother was a hamster and you father smelt of elderberries... no go away you silly English K-Nig-it, or I shall taunt you a second time...
We can debate politics all you want, but when you suggest I don't know Python, it hurts my nerd pride!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:27:46pm |
re: #142 TheMatrix31
That's their affectionate name for yours truly. Clever, don't you think?
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:27:48pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:28:24pm |
re: #120 iceweasel
Only semi-related, okay not really:
Willem Dafoe was on some late night talk show, relating an experience he had while riding the subway (NYC, I think) with his son.
He said not far from where he was sitting, a few of tough looking types were staring at him, whispering between themselves, and so on.
He said he was getting extremely nervous, and was starting to worry for his son's safety until he heard on of them say "No. No, that's definitely him. Nobody looks like that mother-fucker".
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:28:48pm |
re: #95 Enkidu90046
I wish I could say that... unfortunately, my fights were usually 3 or 4 on one, and I cannot say I ever won any of them (winning against more than one attack is really only something that happens in the movies). My goal was just to hurt one of them bad enough before I ended up in the fetal position.
I hear that.. I was fortunate to be large for my age.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:29:04pm |
Darn, I'm down on the CO2 thread (LVQ - where were you?) and miss and old-timer flounce. Nothing quite like aging grudges to bring out the rich flavor.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:29:06pm |
re: #143 Charles
That's their affectionate name for yours truly. Clever, don't you think?
Clever would not quite be the word I'd use, sir.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:29:45pm |
re: #147 freetoken
Darn, I'm down on the CO2 thread (LVQ - where were you?) and miss and old-timer flounce. Nothing quite like aging grudges to bring out the rich flavor.
oh my... I'll go look!
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:31:00pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
Yeah, that depends on your age too. We used to kid around like that back in the 70s using other words. Didn't mean any harm. Right now it's common to do what you describe although they say it's not really a good thing to do. We're not all perfect of course. What I was originally describing was some of the real vile pathological stuff which is common with just about anything on the internet but most particularly regarding gays.
I understand what you are saying. Although I do think there is harm in calling things gay, despite there being no malice towards gays in my saying it. I just wish that I were better at catching myself from that being me go-to expression. If only I were more like Mary Poppins... practically perfect in every way.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:34:18pm |
re: #146 LudwigVanQuixote
I hear that.. I was fortunate to be large for my age.
I was the opposite... very small for my age... on the plus side... that lead me to weight training, which I might not have got into with quite such zeal had I not been so small.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:34:30pm |
re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote
So some fun lines from the fun site...
and so on.. and so on...
Hey Village of the Banned... Bite me!
Though they also suggested I marry Ice...
Heh. So which of us kneels when you ask me?
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Arbalest Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:34:59pm |
re: #123 iceweasel
“If you think what is happening on the Right at the moment is anything like what the left did, you are delusional.”
Clearly, I do not, and I write and post comparisons highlighting the differences. I conclude that you do not read my posts.
“If you genuinely believe the left acted this way, and you think that somehow morally exonerates or excuses the Right and relieves you of any need to condemn it-- you are hypocritical and morally bankrupt as well.”
Your first sentence is ambiguous.
Do you mean by “acted this way” to mean “ as the 9/12 demonstrators acted, i.e., no broken car windows, apparently no arrests, listening to interviewers before answering, etc.? This behavior would give the Left vastly more credibility in my eyes.
Or do you mean the way the Left frequently acts in, say San Francisco or Berkeley? I’ve seen this.
“Hypocritical and morally bankrupt”: are you kidding, or are you trying to slip a M.A.S.H. line in as your own profundity?
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re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth
You seem to be confusing a comparison of directly comparable events / actions / behavior : specifically demonstrations, signs, personal conduct (was even one car window broken?), etc., with “moral equivalency”. Do you truly not see the difference? The DC police did. There are a number of car owners who do.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:35:54pm |
All this flouncing... I keep telling myself I should write a guide for "creative flouncing"... maybe I'll get around to it.
Anyway, the flouncers remind me of this e.e.cummings poem: hate blows a bubble of despair
hate blows a bubble of despair into
hugeness world system universe and bang
-fear buries a tomorrow under woe
and up comes yesterday most green and young
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:39:07pm |
re: #154 freetoken
I tried to come up with a fake flounce message in haiku but there's too many syllables in "Little Green Footballs" so if you use it, it has to be line 2, not leaving much wiggle room.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:40:49pm |
re: #153 Arbalest
“Hypocritical and morally bankrupt”: are you kidding, or are you trying to slip a M.A.S.H. line in as your own profundity?
I'm completely serious.
And the difference between your 'profundity' and mine would be that you remember lines from MASH and mistakenly think them profound, or imagine that anyone would crib lines from MASH in an attempt to be profound.
I have no idea what MASH reference you're talking about, dude, but that would be a perfectly accurate way to describe you.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:41:30pm |
Charles puts his boundaries where he puts them. Everyone has their own way to draw lines. But he's fair enough. You hear about it if you've crossed his line, and it's not a good idea to put the toe across the line again just to check if he was serious.
Flagrant fouls cross everybody's line and that's cause for ejection from the game, but that's another story.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:42:02pm |
re: #152 iceweasel
Heh. So which of us kneels when you ask me?
[Video]
Oh baby, I already said it is better to give than to receive... ;)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:42:45pm |
re: #151 Enkidu90046
I was the opposite... very small for my age... on the plus side... that lead me to weight training, which I might not have got into with quite such zeal had I not been so small.
It got me into weight training too... You gotta be tough when you are the only Jewish kid in the class.
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kellino Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:43:47pm |
re: #128 iceweasel
Upding for beating me to the phrase morally bankrupt!
(but to be all serious and stuff, no matter how much i hate 'em I couldn't support disenfranchising them. I'm assuming you mean that as hyperbole though!)
I'm not sure about that. Just imagine how the debate would change in this country if we got rid of the political illiterates and extremists on the left and right.
The ancient greeks had a word for people who had limited knowledge of public affairs and were therefore not allowed to vote: the word was idiote.
Don't take my words as advocating for less democracy, but once can still wish for a more educated (and more mentally balanced) voting base...
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:44:34pm |
re: #154 freetoken
All this flouncing... I keep telling myself I should write a guide for "creative flouncing"... maybe I'll get around to it.
Anyway, the flouncers remind me of this e.e.cummings poem: hate blows a bubble of despair
I think we need to compose fake ee cummings flounces:
"my father moved through dooms of love
through haves of give, through posts of shame
why does lgf make me think of him?
next to god of course america i
love and revere lgf
except when i hate it. and you, and you,
and your little dog too!"
---He flounced, and stood, then rapidly drank a glass of water.
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FQ Kafir Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:44:44pm |
1st picture, racist.
2nd picture, where is the racism?
3rd picture, Muslim is not a race,so, no racism.
4th picture... mentioning Kenya is racist? Seems like a dumb play on a familiar Bush insult.
To call those pictures racist is pretty thin soup.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:45:42pm |
re: #162 FQ Kafir
1st picture, racist.
2nd picture, where is the racism?
3rd picture, Muslim is not a race,so, no racism.
4th picture... mentioning Kenya is racist? Seems like a dumb play on a familiar Bush insult.
To call those pictures racist is pretty thin soup.
Then do take a look at the dozens of others... Willful blindness bugs me...
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:45:47pm |
re: #155 ArchangelMichael
I tried to come up with a fake flounce message in haiku but there's too many syllables in "Little Green Footballs" so if you use it, it has to be line 2, not leaving much wiggle room.
Just use "LGF" so that is only 3 syllables, thus saving yourself a little space.
You are liberals
So I must leave LGF
Glenn Beck is sexy
(cut me some slack... it is my first attempt at a flounce Haiku)
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:45:56pm |
re: #161 iceweasel
Yup. I tried earlier to convince the flouncers to go creative and do the e.e.cummings thing... but I don't think they were listening to me.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:46:19pm |
re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote
I heard that they tried to twist the satanic prayer list iceweasel and I came up with- which anyone could see was intended as a joke - into some kind of satanic curse list of hate and damnation!
I shudder to think what they'll make of the beelzebubbian blood orgy we have planned for the next overnight thread...;-)
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:46:20pm |
OT Sort of... Paulians... (Might need an WSJ account for this, not sure since I'm logged in there now)
Largely inspired by Rep. Ron Paul, the Texas Republican whose latest book, "End the Fed," will be released Wednesday, the movement draws its strength from people who want a sharp shift away from government dependency and toward a truly free-market economy.
Among the activists backing the cause is Isaiah Matos, the superintendent of a luxury high-rise building in New York City. Mr. Matos was an antiwar protester earlier this decade before he became a libertarian. Through neighborhood groups in Queens organized using Meetup.com, Mr. Matos met other Ron Paul backers who shared his distrust for the central bank and a currency backed only by a government's promise.
"I believe in a commodity-backed currency," said Mr. Matos, 30 years old. "In college, I didn't understand how we could move from gold to paper."
This last line is the money shot. Describes Ron Paulonomics beautifully...
"If I don't understand something it must be wrong/bad/evil."
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:46:31pm |
re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote
It got me into weight training too... You gotta be tough when you are the only Jewish kid in the class.
You ever get into powerlifting or Olympic weightlifting?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:47:41pm |
re: #166 Jimmah
I heard that they tried to twist the satanic prayer list iceweasel and I came up with- which anyone could see was intended as a joke - into some kind of satanic curse list of hate and damnation!
I shudder to think what they'll make of the beelzebubbian blood orgy we have planned for the next overnight thread...;-)
Ohhh... orgies... Hey Jimmah, am I your bitch tonight, or is it tonight that I get to wear the big cloppy boots?
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kellino Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:48:10pm |
re: #163 LudwigVanQuixote
Fine. One can debate if some of those signs might be "racist" or not. But all are inflamitory in ways that were not necessary. The people who hold these signs debase themselves and their puported cause.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:48:49pm |
re: #168 Enkidu90046
You ever get into powerlifting or Olympic weightlifting?
Just used lots of free weights at the gym while I was training. I got really into martial arts and fencing, so too much bulk was not a good idea. BUt then again, I fenced saber, so I was always kinda burly.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:49:58pm |
re: #171 LudwigVanQuixote
Ha! Another similarity... I used to fence foil.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:50:32pm |
re: #160 kellino
I'm not sure about that. Just imagine how the debate would change in this country if we got rid of the political illiterates and extremists on the left and right.
The ancient greeks had a word for people who had limited knowledge of public affairs and were therefore not allowed to vote: the word was idiote.
Don't take my words as advocating for less democracy, but once can still wish for a more educated (and more mentally balanced) voting base...
My understanding was that it derived from "private citizen"-- those who had the rights of citizens yet chose not to participate in public life or the life of the polis, a notion the greeks found contemptible.
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Cineaste Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:50:50pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:52:07pm |
re: #162 FQ Kafir
2nd picture, where is the racism?3rd picture, Muslim is not a race,so, no racism.
4th picture... mentioning Kenya is racist? Seems like a dumb play on a familiar Bush insult.
To call those pictures racist is pretty thin soup.
so angry at this post yet so intoxicated i don't even know what to do.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:52:34pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohhh... orgies... Hey Jimmah, am I your bitch tonight, or is it tonight that I get to wear the big cloppy boots?
Whatever you boys are doing, please count me in!
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Arbalest Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:52:44pm |
re: #156 iceweasel
Oh.
My mistake, and profuse apologies. I had thought that you were intentionally mangling a line form M.A.S.H . . .
We shall speak no more of this, as others are reading.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:53:08pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohhh... orgies... Hey Jimmah, am I your bitch tonight, or is it tonight that I get to wear the big cloppy boots?
As long as you remembered to bring the bunny suits, that's the main thing Ludwig ;-)
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freetoken Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:53:40pm |
re: #175 SpaceJesus
so angry at this post yet so intoxicated i don't even know what to do.
Turning the water into wine again, eh?
You could always call down a rain of frogs, or something.
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Enkidu90046 Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:53:51pm |
re: #175 SpaceJesus
so angry at this post yet so intoxicated i don't even know what to do.
May I suggest having another drink while you think about it?
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Neutral President Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:54:46pm |
re: #180 Enkidu90046
May I suggest having another drink while you think about it?
If he's in IF Rule range, another drink might be bad.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:56:43pm |
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Cineaste Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:57:10pm |
re: #162 FQ Kafir
4th picture... mentioning Kenya is racist? Seems like a dumb play on a familiar Bush insult.To call those pictures racist is pretty thin soup.
Since you didn't read it before, here's the breakdown:
The racist takes a benign statement like the old adage "somewhere there's a village missing an idiot" and turns it into "somewhere there's a Kenyan village missing an idiot". Now why would you add that? Obama never lived in Kenya. It's a meta-meaning they're conveying and it's quite clear. "go back to the village" or "go back to Africa"
As I said before, you're being deliberately obtuse if you don't see that.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:57:22pm |
re: #172 Enkidu90046
Were you there for the sword pron discussion the other day?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:57:50pm |
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FQ Kafir Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:58:47pm |
re: #175 SpaceJesus
re: #175 SpaceJesus
so angry at this post yet so intoxicated i don't even know what to do.
I'm kinda a LGF sleeper, but I do contribute regularly. I love this site and it's "evolution"... Charles has done more for the new media than most people realize.
It's still OK to disagree at LGF, isn't it?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:59:47pm |
re: #186 FQ Kafir
re: #175 SpaceJesus
I'm kinda a LGF sleeper, but I do contribute regularly. I love this site and it's "evolution"... Charles has done more for the new media than most people realize.
It's still OK to disagree at LGF, isn't it?
yes it is.. of course it is, just expect to be challenged if people also disagree with you.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:01:06am |
re: #186 FQ Kafir
Let me ask you this question - do you think Birtherism is related to race? If you do not then how do you explain that people were not equally doubting of McCain's legitimacy?
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:01:11am |
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:02:10am |
re: #188 Cineaste
It is a leap of logic to equate birtherism to racism.
Too big of a leap for most people.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:02:40am |
re: #189 FQ Kafir
re: #183 Cineaste
Your logic seems at fault.
You still haven't explained why mentioning Kenya is racist.
Because telling a black man to go back to Africa is racist, and has a long history of association with groups like Stromfront, racists, white nationalists, and separatists who mean it quite literally.
In other news today, water was found to be wet.
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Neutral President Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:02:46am |
re: #186 FQ Kafir
And don't be intentionally obtuse, passive aggressive, or repeatedly fall back on easily refuted talking points from either the left or the right.
And since you keep asking... Kenya is generally brought up by these nirthers in a "Go back to Africa" way which is completely out of line to say to or about a black man in America, especially one who did not come from or ever live there.
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Enkidu90046 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:03:12am |
re: #182 LudwigVanQuixote
I did too - and I did kendo.
Never did kendo, but was always interested in it. My martial arts career started with Tang Soo Do... and I thought I was pretty bad ass until a friend of mine who had only taken about a month of boxing at the Y wiped teh floor with my sparring and I decided TSD was worthless after that. I wrestled through JHS and HS, but never really understood that what I was doing really was a martial art. I trained a bit at boxing in HS, but nothing serious (there weren't any good gyms near me) but then really got into it in college. College is also where I fenced. When I moved to Los Angeles after grad school, I started training Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and screwed around with some Judo and Muay Thai, but was never very serious with the latter two. Weight training has been part of my life since my parents bought a soloflex when I was in 8th grade, but I really got serious about it when I moved to Los Angeles after grad school. That is when I started competing in powerlifting and learned how to Olympic lift from some top coaches.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:03:50am |
re: #192 ArchangelMichael
Still doesn't make the sign racist.
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Enkidu90046 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:04:12am |
re: #184 LudwigVanQuixote
Were you there for the sword pron discussion the other day?
I must have missed that.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:04:36am |
re: #194 FQ Kafir
Still doesn't make the sign racist.
Then what does the sign mean? Why the mention of Kenya? The Bush signs didn't mention Africa, did they?
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:05:28am |
re: #189 FQ Kafir
re: #183 Cineaste
Your logic seems at fault.
You still haven't explained why mentioning Kenya is racist.
The second image because it uses a Kenyan "village" setting and African iconography. Also look at the necklace and the bed of hay he is sitting on. They are showing him as a baby in a primitive setting. They are referring to what is now archaic symbols of Africa on a modern say American president. Imagine if you will had someone done something similar to Alberto Gonzalez and stuck a sombrero on his head and added an image of a burro in the background
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Fenris Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:07:21am |
Charles
Photo 2 features an illustration by David Dees, a Holocaust denier and Truther. That image is seven and a half levels of disgusting.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:08:48am |
re: #198 fenrisdesigns
Charles
Photo 2 features an illustration by David Dees, a Holocaust denier and Truther. That image is seven and a half levels of disgusting.
Good catch. Here it is:
[Link: moneypennydd.wordpress.com...]
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:10:19am |
re: #189 FQ Kafir
re: #183 Cineaste
Your logic seems at fault.
You still haven't explained why mentioning Kenya is racist.
Unbelievable. Telling a black man to go back to Africa is one of the oldest racist cliches in the book. Not sure what you hope to prove by claiming ignorance of this, other than proving how utterly disingenuous you are, not to mention creepy.
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Fenris Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:11:36am |
re: #200 Gus 802
Jeff Rense has a larger copy of the image on his site. No, I'm not linking to it, but Rense maintains an index of Dees's Photoshops, several many times more offensive than the one pictured here.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:13:52am |
re: #199 FQ Kafir
Many of Obama's kin have tribal connections there. Again where is the racism, when we're talking about a geographical location?
And don't give me anymore of this "meta-meaning" crap... we're divided enough in this country w/o having to see racism behind a blade of grass.
If you can't understand meta-meaning then you'll think it's crap, I get that.
That being said, you are acknowledging that they are invoking ethnic origin, despite the fact that he never lived there. Again, why would they tell him to go back to Africa? Why would the sign not simply say "somewhere a village is missing an idiot"? The only reason to mention Africa (a place Obama never lived) is to invoke ethnicity.
Gus' point is 100% correct. If you put a sombrero on Bill Richardson and said that somewhere a Mexican Village is missing an idiot it would be the same issue. The people holding the sign likely don't think they're racist. Most people don't but that doesn't change the fact that they're invoking his race as part of their disparagement of him.
The Bush protestors who used that signage, I believe, thought he was an idiot. The sign says that. Simple. The Obama protestors could have done the same thing but they made a conscious decision to add the modifier "Kenya" when that has nothing to do with being smart or not - UNLESS - you are making a statement about race and/or heritage.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:13:57am |
re: #202 fenrisdesigns
Jeff Rense has a larger copy of the image on his site. No, I'm not linking to it, but Rense maintains an index of Dees's Photoshops, several many times more offensive than the one pictured here.
Getting that up now. Moon hoaxer, chem trails, anti-Semitic, anti-police, just about anti-everything. And wouldn't you know he did one with Uncle Sam wearing a sombrero.
Confirmed!
Racist!
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:14:36am |
iceweasel
Further apologies, and now humble acts of self-effacement on my part.
I did not realize that you are unfamiliar with obvious sarcasm.
Both you and LudwigV may retract your +1, if you wish.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:15:03am |
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:15:05am |
re: #201 Jimmah
Unbelievable. Telling a black man to go back to Africa is one of the oldest racist cliches in the book. Not sure what you hope to prove by claiming ignorance of this, other than proving how utterly disingenuous you are, not to mention creepy.
The picture does not say "go back to Africa."
I'm against birtherism, the picture is distasteful, but in my opinion, STILL NOT RACIST.
From Merriam-Webster-
* Main Entry: rac·ism
* Pronunciation: ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-
* Function: noun
* Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:15:10am |
re: #193 Enkidu90046
Never did kendo, but was always interested in it. My martial arts career started with Tang Soo Do... and I thought I was pretty bad ass until a friend of mine who had only taken about a month of boxing at the Y wiped teh floor with my sparring and I decided TSD was worthless after that. I wrestled through JHS and HS, but never really understood that what I was doing really was a martial art. I trained a bit at boxing in HS, but nothing serious (there weren't any good gyms near me) but then really got into it in college. College is also where I fenced. When I moved to Los Angeles after grad school, I started training Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and screwed around with some Judo and Muay Thai, but was never very serious with the latter two. Weight training has been part of my life since my parents bought a soloflex when I was in 8th grade, but I really got serious about it when I moved to Los Angeles after grad school. That is when I started competing in powerlifting and learned how to Olympic lift from some top coaches.
Well, I did Kempo and some Wing Chun mostly. I did a very little Tai Chi and I would like to learn some more internal style. However, I have promised myself to take up Krav Maga this year.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:15:22am |
re: #202 fenrisdesigns
Jeff Rense has a larger copy of the image on his site. No, I'm not linking to it, but Rense maintains an index of Dees's Photoshops, several many times more offensive than the one pictured here.
His art is also linked at Stormfront.
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fire at night Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:16:15am |
/Late to the party
I make no apologies when I say this, but the pictures shown are exactly the reason many of the moderate conservatives and R-leaning Independents sat out the last election or changed their own voting party all together. This is the kind of crap that drives people away from the ideals of smaller government and personal responsibility. How? Media outlets latch on and publish pictures of intellectual half-wits, with protest signs that overlook the actual debate on whatever issue or matters at stake, to politicize polar opposition or garner ratings or marketshare. Others see this and refuse it, because it is stupid or morally bankrupt to see their "own" make such silly accusations, and they choose to be as dissociated from the wing-nuts as possible.
If the Republicans want to get their damn mojo back (along with voting blocs), they are going to have to work hard for it by selecting candidates that respect the Goldwater values of conservatism, rather than the what has hijacked the conservative movement lately on social issues. All too often these backwoods types show up from the backwater, with inane garbage posted on signs. This is the type of tripe any left-stream media outlet would love to publicize and make gains from. All Repubs are Hicks, All Conservatives are racist et al.
Bottom line, any supposed conservative worth their salt had better let their voice be heard, to whomever else that may identify themselves as such. LGF has taken a lot of heat lately, for being rather moderate as opposed to unapologetically right-wing on other blogs etc. If their is a hope to get a real conservative president elected in the next election or the foreseeable future, the conservative electorate needs to actually find one and support them, unless they are happy with another tax-cut-n'spend conservative like GWB.
//Enough of my rant, I apologize to anyone who may take issue with it. I'll gladly debate it further at a more reasonable hour.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:16:57am |
re: #205 Arbalest
iceweasel
Further apologies, and now humble acts of self-effacement on my part.
I did not realize that you are unfamiliar with obvious sarcasm.
Both you and LudwigV may retract your +1, if you wish.
Nah, I'll just give you another downding, for being too idiotic to offer a genuine apology in the first place, and too lousy at sarcasm to succeed even at that.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:16:58am |
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Fenris Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:17:33am |
re: #209 Gus 802
And Ernst Zundel's site. Okay, that's not surprising, Dees published a series defending Zundel.
Oh, and Texe Marrs' site, sporadically.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:18:05am |
re: #202 fenrisdesigns
Jeff Rense has a larger copy of the image on his site. No, I'm not linking to it, but Rense maintains an index of Dees's Photoshops, several many times more offensive than the one pictured here.
Google search links:
[Link: www.google.com...]
[Link: www.google.com...]
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:18:20am |
re: #199 FQ Kafir
Many of Obama's kin have tribal connections there.
Ooohhh...they have tribal connections there. As opposed to familial connections. Or just plain old 'connections'.
Does Bush have tribal connections to Bristol?
Does Ted Kennedy have tribal connections to Ireland.
Does John Kerry have tribal connections to Massachusetts?
Maybe you ought to move on to a discussion about their sense of rhythm.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:19:19am |
Random music interval.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:20:42am |
re: #207 FQ Kafir
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
You got it right! And the definition of prejudice:
"an opinion or attitude that can be positive or negative but is often negative and aimed at people who are not cultural "insiders.""
Furthering the fraudulent idea that he is not from America by invoking a village in Africa is an attitude aimed to make him not a cultural insider. Q.E.D.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:21:48am |
re: #207 FQ Kafir
The picture does not say "go back to Africa."
I'm against birtherism, the picture is distasteful, but in my opinion, STILL NOT RACIST.
From Merriam-Webster-
* Main Entry: rac·ism
* Pronunciation: ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-
* Function: noun
* Date: 19331 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination— rac·ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective
Cut the crap. What the hell would constitute racism for you? "Go back to Africa and yes - I mean that in a racist way "?
All you are doing is demonstrating that you will sieze on the slenderest shred of denability to defend instances of racism that are obvious to any decent person who is not invested in giving this crap a pass.
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Fenris Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:21:58am |
re: #214 Gus 802
Google search links:
[Link: www.google.com...]
[Link: www.google.com...]
Thanks for the info. I also notice Facebook's got links.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:22:33am |
re: #217 Cineaste
Are you saying that African-Americans are not cultural "insiders?"
I beg to differ.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:23:05am |
Since we are waiting for the LNDT, in memory of Henry Gibson, here are some Laugh-in bloopers:
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:23:06am |
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:23:32am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:24:02am |
re: #221 FQ Kafir
Are you saying that African-Americans are not cultural "insiders?"
I beg to differ.
What is your point... Are you saying that this stuff is not obviously intended to insult and degrade them?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:24:27am |
re: #219 Jimmah
Cut the crap. What the hell would constitute racism for you? "Go back to Africa and yes - I mean that in a racist way "?
haha-- okay, this isn't a funny topic at all, but I'm imagining people marching with racist signs that added "PS I mean this in a racist way" -- and the people who would still defend them, here and on Malkin and elsewhere.
It's missing a comma!
We don't know the signholders' intent!
You're playing the race card!
etc...
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:24:43am |
re: #224 FQ Kafir
Not true.
I just don't think you have made the case.
I get the feeling no one will be able to "make the case" for you. Your mind is already made up and now you're just trolling.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:25:12am |
G'nite Lizards. I'm gonna go play some video games or something. Laters.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:25:16am |
re: #225 LudwigVanQuixote
What is your point... Are you saying that this stuff is not obviously intended to insult and degrade them?
Being insulting and degrading is not the same as being racist.
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Enkidu90046 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:25:53am |
re: #208 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I did Kempo and some Wing Chun mostly. I did a very little Tai Chi and I would like to learn some more internal style. However, I have promised myself to take up Krav Maga this year.
Cool stuff. I have to say that Tai Chi has piqued my interest of late, particularly since reading Josh Waitzkin's book on the art of learning... yes... the same Josh Waitzkin from the book (and later movie), searching for Bobby Fischer. Turns out he got really into Tai Chi and ended up winning some international competitions in it. He also got really into BJJ of late and has progressed at an amazingly fast pace.
Anyway... think it is time for bed for me... The GF is already fast asleep and both dogs keep looking at me to turn off the light and go to bed already).
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:26:16am |
re: #216 iceweasel
Random music interval.
When I call your home after work, I want that koochy and I'll make it work
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:26:38am |
re: #227 Gus 802
I get the feeling no one will be able to "make the case" for you. Your mind is already made up and now you're just trolling.
First time I've been called a troll, and I've been here for quite a while. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:26:48am |
re: #230 Enkidu90046
Cool stuff. I have to say that Tai Chi has piqued my interest of late, particularly since reading Josh Waitzkin's book on the art of learning... yes... the same Josh Waitzkin from the book (and later movie), searching for Bobby Fischer. Turns out he got really into Tai Chi and ended up winning some international competitions in it. He also got really into BJJ of late and has progressed at an amazingly fast pace.
Anyway... think it is time for bed for me... The GF is already fast asleep and both dogs keep looking at me to turn off the light and go to bed already).
Good to make your acquaintance and lilah tov!
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:27:40am |
re: #220 fenrisdesigns
Thanks for the info. I also notice Facebook's got links.
Here's an ADL link:
David Dees: Conspiratorial Artist
David Dees, a Louisville, Kentucky-based graphic artist, has found a large audience for his anti-Semitic and conspiratorial art. This artwork has been circulated on extremist email groups, published on the Websites of 9/11 conspiracy theorists and turned into videos posted on YouTube and other Websites. A biography of Dees posted to his Website claims that his images are "an attempt to wake others up about the onslaught of the elite's power hungry world government plan of domination."
A great deal of Dees' art is overtly anti-Semitic and many of his images promote Holocaust denial. In one image, prisoners are disembarking from a train at Auschwitz. In the foreground a man holds a placard reading "What really happened?" while "Truth does not fear investigation" - a line used by Holocaust deniers - is written on the side of a cattle car. In another image a prisoner jailed for having "asked for proof of 6 million gassed during Holocaust" is imprisoned between a "serial rapist" and a "murderer." Faceless guards are dressed in riot control outfits with a Star of David with the letter Z at its center on their chests and Israeli police badges on their sleeves. Another image depicts a woman being zapped by a laser gun by the same faceless guards as she reads a book entitled Did Six Million Really Die?
Continues
This is in reference to the artwork shown in the second photo.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:28:10am |
re: #235 Gus 802
This is in reference to the artwork shown in the second photo.
That is that artist who created that artwork in the second photo.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:28:17am |
re: #229 FQ Kafir
Being insulting and degrading is not the same as being racist.
This is the point where i ask if you are trying to be obnoxious.
Being insulting and degrading to a racial group is racist.
Look it is one thing to debate it is another to write idiocy like this.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:29:53am |
re: #221 FQ Kafir
Are you saying that African-Americans are not cultural "insiders?"
I beg to differ.
No, I'm saying that Africans are not cultural insiders. Where did they say he was African American? Last I checked the residents of a village in Africa are just African.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:31:14am |
re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude, just because the president is black doesn't mean it's racist to mention his African roots.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:31:32am |
re: #226 iceweasel
haha-- okay, this isn't a funny topic at all, but I'm imagining people marching with racist signs that added "PS I mean this in a racist way" -- and the people who would still defend them, here and on Malkin and elsewhere.
It's missing a comma!
We don't know the signholders' intent!
You're playing the race card!etc...
Exactly! Another one you might hear in that case : "Oh come on these statements are clearly ironic! Prove they aren't!"
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theheat Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:32:02am |
re: #235 Gus 802
Their art blows mule. Most first year art students have thrown better shit in their recycle bin.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:32:18am |
BTW, people are still flouncing downstairs, but with less verbosity.
The Hate is strong in flouncers.
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theheat Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:33:08am |
re: #242 freetoken
I think it's the year of the flounce, personally. A good year for flouncing.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:33:10am |
re: #232 FQ Kafir
First time I've been called a troll, and I've been here for quite a while. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Because you keep refuting everything. Doesn't mean you're a troll all the time but you're being one now. And just like "laughing or crying" first you come off saying "I would like to know" and then quickly respond by saying "not buying it."
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:38:41am |
re: #239 FQ Kafir
Dude, just because the president is black doesn't mean it's racist to mention his African roots.
While telling him to go back to them? Sure.
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:38:51am |
re: #211 iceweasel
Must we trade ad-hominems? I'd rather not, it seems so, so, well, obtuse.
You seem to miss my sarcasm as well as my posted arguments. While not particularly well-argued, my arguments do stand up to comment and criticism. Your squirt-gun-like contradictions do not serve you well.
Others read this blog, and recognize an apology that is sufficiently oblique is not really an apology, and is understood to not be one. I probably should not have done it, but I couldn't tell if you were intentionally mangling a line from M.A.S.H, or did not realize it, or were trying to be profound. It was that funny.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:39:38am |
re: #244 Gus 802
The refutations arise from the thin soup I referenced earlier, and is hasn't gained body through "meta-meanings"... I like Webster better.
I respect your opinion, why do I not deserve a modicum of yours.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:41:24am |
These days, if you call something racist, you better have the goods.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:41:32am |
re: #248 FQ Kafir
The refutations arise from the thin soup I referenced earlier, and is hasn't gained body through "meta-meanings"... I like Webster better.
I respect your opinion, why do I not deserve a modicum of yours.
Now you're trying to make me feel guilty.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:43:12am |
re: #250 Gus 802
Not so... I want more scrutiny before we yell "RACIST!"
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:43:59am |
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:44:48am |
re: #254 Gus 802
Yes. And I have a video just for the occasion... waiting for the LNDT to post it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:45:22am |
re: #247 Arbalest
Must we trade ad-hominems? I'd rather not, it seems so, so, well, obtuse.
God, piss off. Not in the mood for this.
BTW, that word obtuse? It doesn't mean what you think it means.
And in my case, it's ad feminem, idiot.
Sod off.
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theheat Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:45:38am |
re: #255 TheMatrix31
Sorry, I'm being dense. I got here late and probably missed a passel of notable flounces. There's probably crime scene tape someplace...
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:47:47am |
re: #253 FQ Kafir
Not so... I want more scrutiny before we yell "RACIST!"
There are different levels of racism. Some are more nuanced than others. It takes a trained eye to identify it. The first two photo are racist. The second two are xenophobic which is a cousin of racism.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:47:54am |
re: #240 Jimmah
Exactly! Another one you might hear in that case : "Oh come on these statements are clearly ironic! Prove they aren't!"
Right, the old "I was joking" defence. Fun times...
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:48:30am |
re: #253 FQ Kafir
Not so... I want more scrutiny before we yell "RACIST!"
I think we've given that statement quite a bit of scrutiny.
By your logic, couldn't that first sign not be racist? After all, it doesn't say Obama is a slave, it says he's a master and we're his slaves. It's a clever allusion to our shared cultural history in this country and acknowledges his African American heritage without judging him for it.
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theheat Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:50:13am |
Am I the only one that thinks Jeff Rense looks like a freakier version of Yanni? Seriously, what girlfriend told him, "Gee, I love your hair like that"? Methinks he probably yanks it to old Whitesnake videos.
Alone.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:52:36am |
re: #260 iceweasel
Right, the old "I was joking" defence. Fun times...
Only a comedian can get away with that. Like George Lopez or Richard Pryor.
I want to say more but I think you already have this figured out. Trying to convince others is like, well, talking to a dining room table.
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:54:50am |
re: #257 iceweasel
Trading ad-hominems is is not obtuse, i.e., “a. Lacking quickness of perception or intellect. b. Characterized by a lack of intelligence”?
Check your vocabulary.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:58:12am |
re: #264 Arbalest
Trading ad-hominems is is not obtuse, i.e., “a. Lacking quickness of perception or intellect. b. Characterized by a lack of intelligence”?
Check your vocabulary.
Seriously, piss off wanker. Not in the mood for assholes tonight.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:58:33am |
Just in case.
Xenophobia
* Pronunciation: ˌze-nə-ˈfō-bē-ə, ˌzē-
* Function: noun
* Etymology: New Latin
* Date: 1903
: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:58:37am |
re: #263 Gus 802
Only a comedian can get away with that. Like George Lopez or Richard Pryor.
I want to say more but I think you already have this figured out. Trying to convince others is like, well, talking to a dining room table.
Yeah, and less interesting. lol
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01:12am |
re: #263 Gus 802
Only a comedian can get away with that. Like George Lopez or Richard Pryor.
I want to say more but I think you already have this figured out. Trying to convince others is like, well, talking to a dining room table.
yep.
This next group should be popular with you young people!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01:32am |
re: #265 iceweasel
Seriously, piss off wanker. Not in the mood for assholes tonight.
But I just got here...
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:01:52am |
re: #267 iceweasel
Yeah, and less interesting. lol
Yeah, you can stare at the wood grains, the book matched faces, the hardwoods, the construction, etc., for hours.
//
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:03:33am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:04:12am |
re: #231 Jimmah
When I call your home after work, I want that koochy and I'll make it work
That robot is simultaneously hilarious and horrifying, jimmah-ski. ;)
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:05:19am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:05:27am |
re: #270 Fenway_Nation
But I just got here...
Ha!
Where's our Late Night Thread? Need some room for that hot Fenway action!
{fenway}
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:08:48am |
re: #276 iceweasel
the lizards who rocks like the Boston Red Sox...
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:09:31am |
re: #265 iceweasel
I’m in a panic. Mercy. Or something.
For reasons of your own, you provoked an extended argument with me.
The way adults argue is either:
a. Say what you wish to say, as others and I did on this thread,
b. Argue with some degree of intellect, education, knowledge and decorum. Gus 802 and FQ Kafir are an excellent example.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:12:44am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:12:46am |
re: #278 Arbalest
Dude, I keep telling you to fuck off and you keep trying to provoke me. Why don't you have a conversation with someone else?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:13:04am |
Time for some Chung King...
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:15:04am |
Anybody catch that Red Sox/Angels game last night? Struck me as having the feel of a postseason game at times...
/There's only one October.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:15:16am |
re: #273 Gus 802
Cool beans. Then we have met half way.
And I would then ask why are they afraid of that foreign land/place/person and not others? They didn't seem terrified of McCain who was definitely born outside the 50 states.
Suddenly we're back to culture and ethnicity, no?
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:17:15am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:18:19am |
re: #283 Cineaste
And I would then ask why are they afraid of that foreign land/place/person and not others? They didn't seem terrified of McCain who was definitely born outside the 50 states.
Suddenly we're back to culture and ethnicity, no?
Colour. That's what this comes down to. A sizeable portion of the country suffers from Fear of a Barack Planet, and can't get over having a black guy in the White House. Sad, but true.
And they and their apologists insist that the real racists are the people who point out racism. So it goes.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:18:34am |
re: #283 Cineaste
And I would then ask why are they afraid of that foreign land/place/person and not others? They didn't seem terrified of McCain who was definitely born outside the 50 states.
Suddenly we're back to culture and ethnicity, no?
Some did. The anti-McCainites brought up Panama. They also brought up Romney's father being born in Mexico. Kind of ironic if you consider all three candidates. But yes it did come back for sure. Especially with Obama in the White House.
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:18:44am |
re: #280 iceweasel
A quick check of the posts on this thread reveals that:
1. You chose to talk to me
2. You chose to provoke me
3. You don’t seem to get the current message:
“ I have no interest in talking to you, but I see no reason to let you talk to me this way.”
Does this remind you of a point in one of my earlier posts on this thread?
Walk away.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:19:54am |
re: #285 iceweasel
Colour. That's what this comes down to. A sizeable portion of the country suffers from Fear of a Barack Planet, and can't get over having a black guy in the White House. Sad, but true.
And they and their apologists insist that the real racists are the people who point out racism. So it goes.
Fear of a Barack Planet
That's a keeper.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:19:54am |
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:20:51am |
OT - Everybody's favorite Illinois Nazi, Henry Gibson, has passed away.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:21:01am |
re: #284 Fenway_Nation
A U.S. Military base in Panama?
Wow...that's not reaching or anything.//
That was an issue though for some people. Even from conservative circles. I remember it well.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:21:56am |
re: #278 Arbalest
I’m in a panic. Mercy. Or something.
For reasons of your own, you provoked an extended argument with me.
The way adults argue is either:
a. Say what you wish to say, as others and I did on this thread,
b. Argue with some degree of intellect, education, knowledge and decorum. Gus 802 and FQ Kafir are an excellent example.
Here's a caddish ad hom for you to chew over and cogitate over the falliciousness etc thereof:
Fuck off you boring, snotty condescending not to mention pointless wanker.
And while Arbalest is fishing his monocle out of his soup, a little music for you iceweaski:
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:22:52am |
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:24:45am |
re: #284 Fenway_Nation
A U.S. Military base in Panama?
Wow...that's not reaching or anything.//
But how do we know he was born on the base!??!? Have you seen his long form birth certificate? Why won't he produce it???
/ sarc
There is no question that Obama was born in the US but that doesn't stop idiots from saying he wasn't. I'm simply pointing out that the argument that birthers are just afraid of a non-citizen is BS and that it has everything to do with race - if it didn't then they would have been all over McCain as well.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:25:22am |
re: #285 iceweasel
Wow...opposition to 0bama = racism.
Not like I saw that coming last year or anything...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:25:35am |
re: #292 Arbalest
You lose.
Tattoo on your forehead backwards so you can be reminded of it when you look in the mirror, fuckwit.
Have you found your monocle yet?
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:28:25am |
re: #296 Fenway_Nation
Wow...opposition to 0bama = racism.
Not like I saw that coming last year or anything...
Much to his credit, even Obama doesn't buy this argument.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:28:34am |
re: #296 Fenway_Nation
Wow...opposition to 0bama = racism.
Not like I saw that coming last year or anything...
She said "sizeable portion" not all.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:28:59am |
It's pretty sad that any criticism of
Obama = Racism.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:29:18am |
re: #296 Fenway_Nation
Wow...opposition to 0bama = racism.
Not like I saw that coming last year or anything...
Puh-lease. Opposition to Obama is not racism (and nor was Joe Wilson's outburst). Telling him to go back to Africa is racist. Telling him that he belongs in a village in Africa, whether they realize it or not, is a little racist. It doesn't make them bad people necessarily, they probably don't know better, but it does make them ignorant and something that should be called out.
I oppose Obama on a lot of things and I think there is a principled opposition. But that opposition doesn't use racism, xenophobia or other similar memes to disparage him.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:29:53am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:30:17am |
re: #293 Jimmah
And while Arbalest is fishing his monocle out of his soup, a little music for you iceweaski:
Ah, jimmah-ski, don't know whether i love the monocle ref more or the song...I'm going with the song!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:31:21am |
re: #299 Gus 802
She said "sizeable portion" not all.
What are you, some kinda member of the factinista?
//
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:32:00am |
re: #298 SixDegrees
He doesn't have to- his proxies in the MSM and Democrat party are running with that meme while keeping it at arms length, himself.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:32:15am |
re: #300 FQ Kafir
It's pretty sad that any criticism of
Obama = Racism.
where have I said or implied that? Please. Show me.
Oh right... you can't.
You asked why the sign was racist and we have given you a very reasonable and cogent explanation of the etymology of that phrasing. You agreed that the sign was prejudiced and xenophobic. I believe, with sound reasoning, that the xenophobia seems to focussed on ethnicity more than nationality (Africa isn't a country).
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:33:40am |
re: #300 FQ Kafir
It's pretty sad that any criticism of
Obama = Racism.
No, it's pretty sad that people like you try to equate 'criticism of Obama' with obvious racism of the 'Go back to Africa' type.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:35:24am |
re: #306 Cineaste
I wasn't referring to you or your post. Why the vitriol?
My statement stood on its own. It had nothing to do with you.
Please be civil, this forum deserves decorum.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:36:31am |
re: #296 Fenway_Nation
Wow...opposition to 0bama = racism.
Not like I saw that coming last year or anything...
Fuck Jimmy Carter.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:36:53am |
re: #308 FQ Kafir
What's not civil? You said "It's pretty sad that any criticism of Obama = Racism".
I'm saying that that is not the position that is being presented in the thread anywhere that I've seen and I'm asking you to back up the statement.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:38:28am |
re: #304 iceweasel
What are you, some kinda member of the factinista?
//
I am in a way. Always looking back to see if I did something right or wrong. Comes with the work experience. Doesn't always work of course.
Typically I see things as being 50/50. So in the case of racism I think it's probably around 50/50. Maybe less. Somewhere around 1/3rd would be my guess. But that from a select demographic so it wouldn't be 1/3rd of the general public. It's still rather "sizable." And the degree varies on a curve I'm sure.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:41:40am |
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:44:47am |
re: #305 Fenway_Nation
He doesn't have to- his proxies in the MSM and Democrat party are running with that meme while keeping it at arms length, himself.
Well, Jimmy Carter is doing that. Me, I'm content to take him at his word and oppose his policies on their merits. His comments provide a firm foundation from which to call out Carter and others in the gutter to explain why, given a cogent criticism, they perceive it as racist in any way.
Just as in the tongue lashing handed to Orly Taitz by the judge yesterday, it's incumbent on the accusers to provide evidence backing up their claims. It isn't at all unfair to demand such evidence.
Assuming, of course, that your opposition doesn't consist of a sign telling the President to go back to Africa. The 'cogent' part of the criticism is vital.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:45:23am |
re: #311 Arbalest
At some point I got tired of iceweasel's attitude (comments about her can be found on other blogs, apparently she never ventures out), so I decided to push back. Not real proud of it, but, well, others will read her most recent comments and laugh.
I read a lot of blogs, just not ones populated by stalkers and freaks. Apparently, those are the ones you read.
Thanks for confirming a suspicion of mine though: you're either a reader of a hate site who posted here with an agenda, or you're the sock of someone recently banned whose ass I kicked.
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:47:08am |
re: #313 FQ Kafir
I don't think I'm sanctimonious, I think I'm opinionated and considered.
You made a statement. I disagreed. I'm sorry if I misconstrued it as part of the back and forth we were having and that's why I made the subsequent point that I didn't see anyone here making that argument. Further, I think the statement is incredibly vague. You were making the tacit implication that the people who aren't agreeing with you here are the ones who agree with your declaration and I, frankly, think that doesn't begin to hold water.
Further, when you make a statement like "it's clear that..." but you provide no reasoning or evidence behind it then it is fair to say that the statement can be refuted. I don't believe that it's clear he has done more to divide than unite on race, I think he, personally, hasn't taken the bait that has been dangled in front of him.
Just yesterday he said Carter was wrong for making just such a statement, no?
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Cineaste Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:49:32am |
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harry catbox Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:49:45am |
Was there nothing positive regarding the tea parties?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:50:36am |
re: #319 harry catbox
Was there nothing positive regarding the tea parties?
Yes. They were positively infested with cranks and racists.
Next question.
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FQ Kafir Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:50:51am |
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:51:17am |
re: #311 Arbalest
At some point I got tired of iceweasel's attitude (comments about her can be found on other blogs, apparently she never ventures out.
Please provide a list of the blogs you've been frequenting where this occurs.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:54:40am |
re: #322 SixDegrees
Please provide a list of the blogs you've been frequenting where this occurs.
Yes, I think a list of his reading recommendations would be highly entertaining.
As well as illuminating. Apparently, some fuckwits are just desperate that I should acknowledge them.
Let's see the blogs this fucker has been reading, whilst too busy to post here, yet which mysteriously gave him a big enough hate on for me to provoke a fight.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:55:36am |
re: #311 Arbalest
Well, I hadn't planned on it. Apparently, things have changed here in the last 6 months.
The other two? They've been dinging me, but no real arguments; no "here's why you're wrong", nothing like Gus and FQ. At some point I got tired of iceweasel's attitude (comments about her can be found on other blogs, apparently she never ventures out), so I decided to push back. Not real proud of it, but, well, others will read her most recent comments and laugh.
Jimmah decided to play too, not sure why, as he had nothing to say.
So, there you have it.
That's pretty rich coming from someone who has said nothing of substance in this entire thread, whose only argument has been a pathetic attempt to divert attention away from what is happening now to 'the sins of the left'.
Glad to see you finally found your monocle though.
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:55:44am |
re: #316 iceweasel
"I read a lot of blogs . . ."
Venturing out would be to post using your nic on these other blogs.
"you're either a reader of a hate site who posted here with an agenda, . . ."
Wrong. Obviously.
"or you're the sock of someone recently banned whose ass I kicked."
and wrong again.
Charles would've banned me a year or two ago, or even earlier today, if I were a sock.
So, are we finally done?
.
Six Degrees
Ace comes immediately to mind.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:55:53am |
re: #320 iceweasel
Yes. They were positively infested with cranks and racists.
Next question.
The infestation is somewhat troubling, but not really so much; hangers-on are easy to come by.
What is more troubling is that the Tea Parties are being organized, financed and promoted by cranks and racists like Beck, Paul and the Birchers, and that Paul's love affair with neo-Nazis, Troofers and a whole spectrum of odious bottom-dwellers has dragged all of them along not just for the ride, but in the driver's seat.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:56:05am |
re: #323 iceweasel
Yes, I think a list of his reading recommendations would be highly entertaining.
As well as illuminating. Apparently, some fuckwits are just desperate that I should acknowledge them.
Let's see the blogs this fucker has been reading, whilst too busy to post here, yet which mysteriously gave him a big enough hate on for me to provoke a fight.
Better a "hate on" than a "hard on".
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:57:04am |
re: #323 iceweasel
Yes, I think a list of his reading recommendations would be highly entertaining.
As well as illuminating. Apparently, some fuckwits are just desperate that I should acknowledge them.
Let's see the blogs this fucker has been reading, whilst too busy to post here, yet which mysteriously gave him a big enough hate on for me to provoke a fight.
Someone at Atlas Shrugged wants to throw me out a window. We've seen the others of course. Ironic of course since I'm probably more of a John Galt then any of them.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:57:37am |
re: #316 iceweasel
I read a lot of blogs, just not ones populated by stalkers and freaks. Apparently, those are the ones you read.
Thanks for confirming a suspicion of mine though: you're either a reader of a hate site who posted here with an agenda, or you're the sock of someone recently banned whose ass I kicked.
Yep - looks like this one is up to his neck in number two one way or another.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:59:36am |
re: #325 Arbalest
Sorry, fucktard. The day I post on Ace or read Ace is the day a woman talks to you. Right now the closest you get to that is posting to me here.
Is this a new version of the flounce? Pop in, harass a poster for several posts, then admit you're a regular at ace or the Village of the Banned? The UK judge is awarding your flounce no points.
Btw, you said 'blogs'. Care to specify?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:00:52am |
re: #327 TheMatrix31
Better a "hate on" than a "hard on".
The hate-on is the misogynistic small-dicked man's version of a hardon. It's just as limp and twice as useless.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:01:24am |
re: #325 Arbalest
Six Degrees
Ace comes immediately to mind.
Uh - you're kidding, right?
You just destroyed whatever credibility you might have had.
Charles - I don't know if links to this cesspool are permitted; it's here for illustrative purposes only, and if you feel it needs to come down, by all means yank it.
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harry catbox Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:03:01am |
re: #320 iceweasel
Good answer that gave me a needed laugh. Thanks.
I could hardly look at the pictures. Too reminiscent of zombie's work at leftist rallies.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:04:37am |
re: #325 Arbalest
"I read a lot of blogs . . ."
Venturing out would be to post using your nic on these other blogs.
You've got to be joking. Who made you the Internets Police?
I'll wait for my copy of the official Internets Rulez. Schmuck.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:04:46am |
re: #333 harry catbox
Good answer that gave me a needed laugh. Thanks.
I could hardly look at the pictures. Too reminiscent of zombie's work at leftist rallies.
I'm waiting for the scrotum inflaters to show up. I sense that it's only a matter of time.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:07am |
re: #320 iceweasel
Yes. They were positively infested with cranks and racists.
Next question.
The phrase ''swarming vulgar mass of infected virulancy' springs to mind ;-)
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BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:06:54am |
re: #335 SixDegrees
I came across one of those photos a few years ago. I'm sorry I did.
Good Morning, everyone.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:07:56am |
re: #336 Gus 802
When you're in a hole dig faster.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: And that's still getting worse. And it's gonna take some time for us to be able to dig ourselves out of this hole.
lol @ digging out of a hole
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:08:46am |
re: #337 Jimmah
The phrase ''swarming vulgar mass of infected virulancy' springs to mind ;-)
heh. Wonderful, Jimmah-ski. For our troll:
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:09:41am |
re: #339 BatGuano
I came across one of those photos a few years ago. I'm sorry I did.
Good Morning, everyone.
BAT! How are you, baby?
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:11:06am |
re: #339 BatGuano
I came across one of those photos a few years ago. I'm sorry I did.
Good Morning, everyone.
As soon as we get nationalized health care, I'm going to have that portion of my brain removed.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:11:24am |
re: #340 TheMatrix31
lol @ digging out of a hole
Yeah, sometimes we find ourselves digging our own holes and the worst thing to do is start digging faster. It's also a bit of a pun about Vanderlun. I think it's the axiom of the month.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:12:07am |
re: #343 SixDegrees
As soon as we get nationalized health care, I'm going to have that portion of my brain removed.
I want the part that thinks about my personal debt removed.
//
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BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:12:41am |
re: #342 iceweasel
I'm fine! How are you? I would have jumped in earlier but I was ascurred! Not looking for a fight tonight. :)
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:13:23am |
re: #345 Gus 802
I want the part that thinks about my personal debt removed.
//
I'm pretty sure they'll remove the whole thing if you're a Republican.
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Gus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:14:29am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:11am |
re: #346 BatGuano
I'm fine! How are you? I would have jumped in earlier but I was ascurred! Not looking for a fight tonight. :)
Hey cutie!
I'm fine. Wasn't looking for a fight either, had a lot going on while posting, and was kind of wondering why someone was being a persistent dick to me despite repeated requests to just talk to someone else.
Then all became clear. Dickless is a regular at Ace, and probably the Village of the Banned, is incensed that I don't already know what's being said about me there and don't care, and plans to run back to each with these links to give him cred. Nice guy!
What's up with you, honey?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:17:37am |
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:19:22am |
re: #329 Jimmah
You've dinged most of my posts, yet failed to comment. This seems to be all that you have, and it's been this way for the last few says.
.
re: #330 iceweasel
Ace comes to mind smply because someone posted very recently on an LGF-bashing thread, that you are one of the new posters that acts like a little yappy-dog. Who's unpopular this minute? Bite him, or hurl invective.
Other blogs? Do your research and take your chances. You will encounter others who really think they are the Internet police (and seem to be pretty good at it).
Read your posts on this thread. Tragically, little girl, that seems to be all that you have.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:19:31am |
re: #349 iceweasel
Then all became clear. Dickless is a regular at Ace, and probably the Village of the Banned, is incensed that I don't already know what's being said about me there and don't care, and plans to run back to each with these links to give him cred. Nice guy!
I notice that another obnoxious poster disappeared simultaneously.
I smell socks.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:20:05am |
re: #330 iceweasel
re: #325 Arbalest
Sorry, fucktard. The day I post on Ace or read Ace is the day a woman talks to you. Right now the closest you get to that is posting to me here.Is this a new version of the flounce? Pop in, harass a poster for several posts, then admit you're a regular at ace or the Village of the Banned? The UK judge is awarding your flounce no points.
Btw, you said 'blogs'. Care to specify?
Still waiting...Ace was mentioned. That's one. What would be Two?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:21:42am |
re: #335 SixDegrees
I'm waiting for the scrotum inflaters to show up. I sense that it's only a matter of time.
I can't wait to see the first wingnut furry make his appearance. My bet is that it will be some sort of fucked up bald eagle. And definitely not cuddly either.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:21:46am |
re: #351 Arbalest
Do you think calling me 'little girl' makes you look like a big man? I bet that goes over well in a cesspit like Ace's.
By the way, what would be the other blog you had in mind?
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BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:22:21am |
re: #349 iceweasel
Nothing much, but I have noticed that you attract posters who can't seem to make a point and then move on.I've been registered since January but have followed this site since 2004 (The Bush memos) and I have not seen anything like it. You are blessed with a unique talent!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:26:20am |
re: #352 SixDegrees
I notice that another obnoxious poster disappeared simultaneously.
I smell socks.
Huh, I did not notice that, but I was suspecting socks as well.
This is all gratifying our troll, of course, who intends to run off to Ace or somewhere else, one of those other mysterious blogs he's mentioned (yet not specified) where I apparently play a role in some of the wankers' psyches, and direct people to this thread.
I smell sad, crusty, used socks. And cheetos.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:29:18am |
Not good for Eastern Europe:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
"PRAGUE – President Barack Obama phoned the Czech prime minister to discuss a controversial missile defense system, a government spokesman said Thursday, and Czech media reported that Obama told the premier he will shelve the plan..."
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:29:56am |
re: #356 BatGuano
Nothing much, but I have noticed that you attract posters who can't seem to make a point and then move on.I've been registered since January but have followed this site since 2004 (The Bush memos) and I have not seen anything like it. You are blessed with a unique talent!
Cheers bat. I'm blessed with you!
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shiplord kirel Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:06am |
But, but there were 13.7 million people at this rally and only 5 of them were racists and 2 others were Paulians and he's right anyway you know. Besides, ACORN tried to bankroll a whorehouse. So there.
//Channeling wingnut media
| 361 |
BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:32:14am |
re: #359 iceweasel
Sometimes I wish I were blessed with stalkers. It would be annoying but good for my ego.
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:34:45am |
re: #332 SixDegrees
You don't like Ace. No sweat. That's hardly a credibility hit.
.
re: #355 iceweasel
You made the point of identifying yourself as female. Now read your posts. You seem to really want a list of blogs, and gee, I think I saw your nic mentioned, but I just can't seem to remember where. Apparently, I lose this point.
So, are we all finally done with this?
| 363 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:38:10am |
Good morning LGF.
Race awareness among folks of all races is alive and well in America, always has, and for the foreseeable future will continue to exist. Any who would deny that racism exists or who refuse to identify and condemn open displays of racism are idiots, as are those who would tar entire groups on the basis of the actions of a few. And anyone who would claim that they themselves are completely colour blind are either saints or liars.
It seems to me that the job at hand is for Americans to continue their ongoing battle to marginalize racist attitudes and actions, and to try not to allow the political debate to be hijacked by those who would exploit racism in order to avoid dealing with legitimate political differences or to gain unfair advantage for their own points of view.
I think President Obama needs to resist the cynical advice of anyone who would urge him to play the race card to advance his agenda. To his credit, he has distanced himself from Jimmy Carter's race-baiting.
Political commentators and bloggers face the same challenge. Vilifying one's political opponents by accusing them of being a bunch of racists does not meet the call.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:38:29am |
re: #351 Arbalest
You've dinged most of my posts, yet failed to comment. This seems to be all that you have, and it's been this way for the last few says.
.
re: #330 iceweaselAce comes to mind smply because someone posted very recently on an LGF-bashing thread, that you are one of the new posters that acts like a little yappy-dog. Who's unpopular this minute? Bite him, or hurl invective.
Other blogs? Do your research and take your chances. You will encounter others who really think they are the Internet police (and seem to be pretty good at it).
Read your posts on this thread. Tragically, little girl, that seems to be all that you have.
Um, I think you'll find I have commented on your idiocy several times. If I haven't commented on every post of yours that I have downindinged that's because your comments here constitute nothing more than pointless, repetitive trolling and don't actually deserve replies. I have replied however to point out that you have contributed nothing of substance whatsover to this thread, and that all you have brought is a failed attempt at the old "look over there - lefties!" game. And in answer to these charges you have...nothing whatsoever, except more moronic trolling, of course.
You are just trying to win credit with the scumbags on the stalker blog/Ace of Spades before your imminent martyrdom here - a pathetic ambition for a pathetic troll.
Go join the rest of the butthurt crew already you fucking moron and stop wasting everyones time.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:42:51am |
I just heard on the radio that there was a bombing of our embassy in Kabul.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:43:05am |
**sigh**
I remember when the late night thread DIDN'T read like a mass prescription for Midol.
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Green Helmet Guy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:43:55am |
re: #144 ArchangelMichael
That's one of many names they have for
Charles.
Blasphemy!
At the Stalker cult they would never mention "Him" by name! They mustn't. For it is he who must not be named! lest they incur the Wrath of God.
Bwahahahahaha
Charles how do you prefer to be called?
"Lord Johnsemort"
or
"Charles, The Dark Lord "
or
"Johnsorthaur the Cruel"
Bwahahahahaha
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:44:44am |
OK
It was a splody dope...
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
KABUL (AP) -- A suicide car bomb hit vehicles carrying foreign troops near the U.S. Embassy and an American military base in Afghanistan's capital Thursday, killing at least 10 people and wounding dozens, officials said.
The suicide bomber rammed his explosives-filled car into two vehicles of the NATO-backed international force, said Abdul Ghafar Sayedzada, head of Kabul's criminal investigations unit.
The blast occurred shortly after noon and smoke could be seen rising from the site soon after. An Associated Press reporter saw two bodies on the ground, both burned and later covered with plastic sheets.
At least six vehicles were burned, including at least one Humvee with an Italian flag painted on the side. Sirens rang through the area as emergency vehicles arrived.
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Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:14am |
re: #364 Jimmah
I suppose you have comented a few times; much like this one. I suppose that's why I tend to miss them.
It seems that the thing you really object to is that I take the same facts that you have and come up with a different result, but it's not one you like. No problem. One or two posts should do it. Save the invective and distractions.
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BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:46:56am |
re: #365 LudwigVanQuixote
I can't find anything on the interwebs so far.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:18am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:47:44am |
re: #362 Arbalest
Bollocks, douchebag. You're busted for calling me 'little girl' and then trying to say it's my fault for pointing out that I'm female (nice one!), and now you want to lie and wiggle your way out of your very own statement above, about seeing me mentioned on 'blogs'.
Sorry, fuckwit, but the only places that are going to be whinging about me are stalker blogs like the Village of the Banned and cesspits like Ace-- since I don't comment anywhere but here under this nic. A fact which you already whimpered about, which suggests to me that you've been looking for comments by someone with my nic elsewhere. Obsessed much?
And it's pretty clear you waited for a late night thread to do this for obvious reasons.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:48:34am |
re: #361 BatGuano
Sometimes I wish I were blessed with stalkers. It would be annoying but good for my ego.
I'm stalking you and you didn't even notice. :(
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:49:05am |
re: #373 iceweasel
I'm stalking you and you didn't even notice. :(
Well I am stalking you!!! And call me Daddy!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:50:13am |
Found it:
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:51:52am |
.re: #372 iceweasel
You have a dirty, filthy mouth which does not become someone of your obvious intelligence.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:52:32am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:52:39am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:53:06am |
re: #377 BatGuano
Wish I could've dug up some better news, Bat...
| 381 |
Arbalest Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:53:28am |
re: #372 iceweasel
Try again. Your nic was mentioned elsewhere, you decide to repeatedly insult me. Seriously, read your posts.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:54:17am |
re: #376 Spare O'Lake
.
You have a dirty, filthy mouth which does not become someone of your obvious intelligence.
I resent that remark.
I also have a dirty, filthy mind.
And I don't need your approval for either. Nor could I care less about your ideas of what 'becomes' me.
Deal.
| 383 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:55:30am |
IN other news I also heard a repot about a bill that would abolish the current student loan system and have students borrow directly from the Fed. Since Federal subsidized loans would not have to pay the interest on defaulted loans to private lenders (the current system) this would save between 40 and 80 billion a year according to the news report I heard this morning.
That money would then be pumped into providing more education money and more pell grants and stafford loans etc...
This is a win win win. It save tax payer dollars and increases education benefits to millions of students.
Of course, the GOP, is calling it an "insidious takeover of education." The banks, who we just gave 400 billion to, are crying bloody murder.
But remember the GOP is for sound fiscal policy and education!
| 384 |
shiplord kirel Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:56:54am |
Can't link here, I suppose, but those who are interested will know where to find this:
The noted philosopher, art critic, and Republican Party leader Glenn Beck has posted an elaborate slideshow calling for an end to liberal media bias.
In its own way, this is as crazy as Mussolini's Chariot. How does Beck suppose we can stop Olbermann's rants without also stopping those of Beck himself?
| 385 |
BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 2:58:49am |
re: #380 Fenway_Nation
I know. Is it just me, or are we fighting one kind of war and the enemy is fighting another? There is plenty of historical precedent for this. I don't have an acceptable solution.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:00:27am |
re: #384 shiplord kirel
Can't link here, I suppose, but those who are interested will know where to find this:
The noted philosopher, art critic, and Republican Party leader Glenn Beck has posted an elaborate slideshow calling for an end to liberal media bias.
In its own way, this is as crazy as Mussolini's Chariot. How does Beck suppose we can stop Olbermann's rants without also stopping those of Beck himself?
Shhh... that much consistency and logic is not apropos for some tender ears...
| 387 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:01:52am |
re: #383 LudwigVanQuixote
But remember the GOP is for sound fiscal policy and education!
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!
| 388 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:02:32am |
re: #369 Arbalest
I suppose you have comented a few times; much like this one. I suppose that's why I tend to miss them.
It seems that the thing you really object to is that I take the same facts that you have and come up with a different result, but it's not one you like. No problem. One or two posts should do it. Save the invective and distractions.
Project much? I'm sorry my little cesspit frequenting wingnut freak, no one is listening to you. Consider yourself on GAZE.
| 389 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:02:41am |
re: #387 iceweasel
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!
You seem very perky this morning...
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:03:03am |
re: #382 iceweasel
I resent that remark.
I also have a dirty, filthy mind.
And I don't need your approval for either. Nor could I care less about your ideas of what 'becomes' me.
Deal.
It was friendly advice.
Take it or not, it's up to you.
| 392 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:05:38am |
re: #389 LudwigVanQuixote
You seem very perky this morning...
Exhausted. Then the troll annoyed me, and you know how ornery I can be.
| 393 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:06:39am |
re: #390 Spare O'Lake
It was friendly advice.
Take it or not, it's up to you.
Show me all the places where you gave that advice to, say, Mandy Manners, and I might be inclined to consider it honest and friendly advice.
Til then? Not so much.
| 396 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:09:59am |
re: #395 Gus 802
Was that a farewell, or disjointed advice?
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:10:59am |
re: #383 LudwigVanQuixote
Disagree. The purpose of a banker is to make an evaluation of fitness for a loan. That is not the role of the Fed (by which you mean the Federal Reserve, no?)
OTOH, if by "fed" you meant the Dept. of Education, I'd still say "No". Generally speaking, it is not a good idea to have people so indebted to the government, as a student would be after 4 or 8 years.
The key is to reduce costs in education.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:11:19am |
re: #376 Spare O'Lake
.
You have a dirty, filthy mouth which does not become someone of your obvious intelligence.
OMG someone swore! The fainiting couches - quick!
A nasty comment, actually, disguised of course as a sanctimonious concern for standards of speech. Didn't seem to have any problem with any of the genuinely obnoxious comments and insinuations Arbalest has been making to iceweasel of course. You are another one who isn't fooling anyone.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:12:26am |
re: #383 LudwigVanQuixote
IN other news I also heard a repot about a bill that would abolish the current student loan system and have students borrow directly from the Fed. Since Federal subsidized loans would not have to pay the interest on defaulted loans to private lenders (the current system) this would save between 40 and 80 billion a year according to the news report I heard this morning.
That money would then be pumped into providing more education money and more pell grants and stafford loans etc...
This is a win win win. It save tax payer dollars and increases education benefits to millions of students.
Of course, the GOP, is calling it an "insidious takeover of education." The banks, who we just gave 400 billion to, are crying bloody murder.
But remember the GOP is for sound fiscal policy and education!
You've obviously never attempted to fill out the FAFSA form.
Also: the system you're describing has been in place for many years now; it was implemented as the "public option" for the student loan program, with the same promises of increasing competition and lowering costs for all. Apparently, the end result is complete government takeover of the entire system - and object lesson for those involved with the ongoing health care debate. And there don't seem to be any studies backing up the claim of reduced costs; the claims for this spring from the absence of administrative overhead - because that part of loan servicing is farmed out to commercial subcontractors. The cost is still there, of course, from the customer's standpoint, but the government is claiming it has vanished when in fact it has simply been transferred to another set of books. The bureuacratic overhead of originating and disseminating the loans, in fact, almost certainly went up thanks to government-imposed inefficiencies when compared with private sector costs, but ignoring the administrative costs provides an illusion of savings.
At least, that's what a report on NPR had to say about this last week. Not sure how reliable they are, though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:15:19am |
I thought "Kumbaya my ass" was funny.
Hell, we've said that here.
Rest of it.
sheesh!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:16:25am |
re: #400 SixDegrees
re: #398 freetoken
No, you are both incorrect.
The point of the bill is that loan rates would be kept lower for the student because they would not be charged at the same rates as the lenders, and that since the fed would not be obligated to pay the interest on the loans it gave to itself - as it must to the lenders, under the subsidized system we have now, a great deal of money would be saved.
| 405 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:17:11am |
re: #392 iceweasel
I got you're ornery right here...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:18:22am |
re: #399 Jimmah
OMG someone swore! The fainiting couches - quick!
A nasty comment, actually, disguised of course as a sanctimonious concern for standards of speech. Didn't seem to have any problem with any of the genuinely obnoxious comments and insinuations Arbalest has been making to iceweasel of course. You are another one who isn't fooling anyone.
Notice also the backtracking. "It was friendly advice."
Who the fuck is that supposed to fool? It certainly wasn't couched as friendly advice. It was a condemnation.
Bah. Sanctimonious hypocritical bullshit.
Oh, but I just used some bad words again. Dear dear.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:18:56am |
re: #398 freetoken
And also no because the loan is subsidized by the gov't anyway, the fitness for the loan generally means the a universities financial aid dept set it up.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:18:56am |
re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote
While usury can be especially onerous to the poor, the key problem with student loans is the principal, not the interest rate. Compared to consumer loans, education loans are not that pricy.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:20:54am |
re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #398 freetoken
No, you are both incorrect.
The point of the bill is that loan rates would be kept lower for the student because they would not be charged at the same rates as the lenders, and that since the fed would not be obligated to pay the interest on the loans it gave to itself - as it must to the lenders, under the subsidized system we have now, a great deal of money would be saved.
Unfortuntately, there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence that this saves money. As noted, the system has been in place for many years now, and it doesn't seem to have accomplished that. Like many bureaucracies, the answer to this seems to be, "Well, the savings will eventually appear if we only make the system bigger!" I'd prefer to see some actual proof before proceeding.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:20:57am |
re: #408 freetoken
While usury can be especially onerous to the poor, the key problem with student loans is the principal, not the interest rate. Compared to consumer loans, education loans are not that pricy.
And yet the report claims to save many billions per year.
Further, those interest rates add up. Over the course of paying off a loan the lender will double or triple his money over the original loan itself.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:23:12am |
Good Morning Lizards.
Charles,
I agree, all this talk of ACORN is just overkill, enough already!
Wait, we are still talking about the 9-12 rally?
/
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:23:41am |
re: #411 Spare O'Lake
You are so transparent.
And what's that supposed to mean?
Projection much?
You're the one whose transparency has been mocked. Repeatedly.
i know you won't apologise, but I suggest we let it drop. This thread has enough ugly in it already.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:24:37am |
re: #410 LudwigVanQuixote
How much the loan payout eventually turns out to be is of course dependent on how fast the loan is repaid.
Again, the rise in education costs means that student loans are now quite significantly larger than they used to be.
For example, years ago, in my undergrad days, the total cost of tuition for four entire years totaled less than one years average starting salary for the average graduate.
Can that be said today?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:25:21am |
re: #415 freetoken
How much the loan payout eventually turns out to be is of course dependent on how fast the loan is repaid.
Again, the rise in education costs means that student loans are now quite significantly larger than they used to be.
For example, years ago, in my undergrad days, the total cost of tuition for four entire years totaled less than one years average starting salary for the average graduate.
Can that be said today?
Of course not and that is a major part of why this bill save money on defaults.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:26:02am |
re: #409 SixDegrees
The primary savings comes from not having to cover the interest on defaults
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:26:22am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:27:45am |
re: #419 Spare O'Lake
Way to prove your neutrality. And that you were only offering 'friendly advice'.
Hypocrite.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:28:58am |
Ice Weasel,
You are a foul mouthed unicorn rider!
And I for one am glad you are a lizard!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:29:40am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:31:20am |
Mary Travers has died. "Puff that mighty dragon, sadly slipped into his cave..."
Henry Gibson (who we have referenced here many times) has also died...
Illinois Nazi? RIP.
I wish I could find "A Poem, by Henry Gibson" (Laugh In), but I can't.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:31:31am |
re: #422 rwdflynavy
Ice Weasel,
You are a foul mouthed unicorn rider!
And I for one am glad you are a lizard!
Aw shucks. (blushes)
Thanks. I know I'm a potty mouthed lib. I admit it.
I definitely was a lot ruder than normal for me on this thread, but only to arbarpest or whatever his name was.
anyway, thanks.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:32:14am |
re: #410 LudwigVanQuixote
And yet the report claims to save many billions per year.
Further, those interest rates add up. Over the course of paying off a loan the lender will double or triple his money over the original loan itself.
Yet the "savings" don't actually appear to be savings. They seem to be a a shift of one large class of expenses to another set of books, followed by studiously ignoring that those costs still exist and get folded into the overall loan costs.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:33:21am |
iceweasel, whereabouts are you located? Australia, UK? Because you frequent the late night threads when most U.S. lizards are asleep and your spelling is UK style.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:33:47am |
re: #427 SixDegrees
Yet the "savings" don't actually appear to be savings. They seem to be a a shift of one large class of expenses to another set of books, followed by studiously ignoring that those costs still exist and get folded into the overall loan costs.
OK, so I have only heard a report on this that seemed pretty clear on how this bill would work. Without reading up more on it, I can't debate you. However, have you heard of this bill and looked at enough yourself to make the claims you are?
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BatGuano Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:35:07am |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I used to hear "puff" on the school bus in first grade, also Mack the knife, Bobby Darin. Good times. May they RIP.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:37:38am |
re: #419 Spare O'Lake
Sorry sewermouth, I didn't mean to hurt you.
Have a good day.
And I didn't mean to point out your hypocritical sanctimonious bullshit. Except of course, that I did. Bye now.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:26am |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Posted in the spin-offs a funny, and appropriate (if a bit cold) Gibson piece.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:40:26am |
re: #417 LudwigVanQuixote
The primary savings comes from not having to cover the interest on defaults
A default either has to be collected or written off. A write off becomes the equivalent of a tax increase when the government is in charge.
Again, this just seems to be a way to fiddle the book keeping to create an illusion of savings. If there are real savings, they ought to have been apparent by now, as this program has been in operation for years. Yet it hasn't led to lower interest rates, lowered default rates, greater accessibility to loans or produced any other measurable benefits that I'm aware of.
I figure if even NPR is dubious about it, there's good reason to suspect that it's just a shell game being played with the figures instead of an actual improvement.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:42:01am |
re: #429 LudwigVanQuixote
OK, so I have only heard a report on this that seemed pretty clear on how this bill would work. Without reading up more on it, I can't debate you. However, have you heard of this bill and looked at enough yourself to make the claims you are?
I'm repeating what was reported on NPR.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:44:12am |
re: #433 SixDegrees
Agree. Fundamentally, a defaulted loan only shifts the burden from the original debtor to the larger society.
Now, if when a student defaults then also the school at which the student attended agrees to pay back (the share of) the loan, as in a refund, to the original funding source... that would be a savings to the originating source.
But I'm not holding my breath for the day higher education provides guarantees.
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SteveC Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:46:29am |
re: #1 Enkidu90046
Dear God... these people are insane.
Those people are insane. "These" implies that they are part of your group. You don't wanna claim kin with this bunch.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:46:31am |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Solomon Grundy, by Henry Gibson;Solomon Grundy born on Monday;
went to school on Tuesday;
grew a beard on Wednesday;
expelled on Thusday;
protested on Friday;
arrested on Saturday;
drafted on Sunday;
and this was the end of Solomon Grundy.
Well, that one sucked. But it was the only one I could find.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:51:06am |
So this is what passes as loyal dissent these days? No thanks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:53:51am |
re: #432 freetoken
Posted in the spin-offs a funny, and appropriate (if a bit cold) Gibson piece.
Thanks.
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:54:40am |
re: #438 SteveC
Oh, great -
Fortunately, mortality rates seem to be comparable to ordinary flu - which is to say, very low.
Near the bottom of my list of things to worry about.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:57:57am |
re: #441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Or try this site for some poetry by Gibson:
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]
Note you have to use the Google cache because apparently the blog owner has exceeded their bandwidth.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:59:22am |
re: #443 freetoken
Why I Like The Lizard
I like the lizard because
He's always so interested in the welfare of others.
Well, take for example the fly,
Which he does. Slurrrppp...-Henry Gibson
Thanks!
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SteveC Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:00:10am |
re: #442 SixDegrees
Fortunately, mortality rates seem to be comparable to ordinary flu - which is to say, very low.
Near the bottom of my list of things to worry about.
Bad heart, so a bit higher on my list. I ain't panicking, but I am keeping an eye on it.
Got my seasonal flu shot Monday. Nurse says "Are you allergic to eggs?" I said "I eat too many and I get fat!" BAD move on my part!
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:00:49am |
Sleep? Who needs it!
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JEA62 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:12:06am |
That was a very white crowd I saw in videos of the 9/12 march.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:16:12am |
re: #448 JEA62
That was a very white crowd I saw in videos of the 9/12 march.
Where'd that come from?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:16:56am |
Something simple and beautiful to start your day with...
And yes, the lady on the harp is enchanting...
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:19:42am |
Reset buttonYour text to link...
PRAGUE – President Barack Obama has decided to scrap plans for a U.S. missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland that had deeply angered Russia, the Czech prime minister confirmed Thursday.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:20:31am |
"your text to link"? how did that happen?
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SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:21:34am |
re: #445 SteveC
Bad heart, so a bit higher on my list. I ain't panicking, but I am keeping an eye on it.
Got my seasonal flu shot Monday. Nurse says "Are you allergic to eggs?" I said "I eat too many and I get fat!" BAD move on my part!
Heh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:22:01am |
re: #450 LudwigVanQuixote
Simple? Of course, I could play a woodblock or an egg.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:27:45am |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Simple? Of course, I could play a woodblock or an egg.
You are a philistine...
As punishment here is some music that was commissioned by Elizabeth I for her court.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:31:24am |
I was reading this version of the news from the WSJ:
An Iranian Shahab-3 ballistic missile launches
The findings, expected to be completed as early as next week following a 60-day review ordered by President Barack Obama, would be a major reversal from the Bush administration, which pushed aggressively to begin construction of the Eastern European system before leaving office in January.
An announcement from the White House is expected about 10:30 a.m. ET.
The Obama administration's move was confirmed by the Czech Republic interim prime minister. "Just after midnight I was informed in a telephone call by President Barack Obama that [his] administration has decided to pull out from the plan missile defense shield installations" in the Czech Republic and Poland, said Jan Fischer said at a press conference Thursday.
I am wondering what the Czech inerim prime minister had actually said instead of [his].
"Just after midnight I was informed in a telephone call by President Barack Obama that [the naive commie's] administration has decided to pull out from the plan missile defense shield installations"
...
"Just after midnight I was informed in a telephone call by President Barack Obama that [the backstabbing bozo's] administration has decided to pull out from the plan missile defense shield installations"
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:40:10am |
re: #457 Dar ul Harbarian
I was reading this version of the news from the WSJ:
I'm sure diplomacy and kumbaya around the campfire will make missile defense unnecessary.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:40:34am |
re: #456 LudwigVanQuixote
You are a philistine...
As punishment here is some music that was commissioned by Elizabeth I for her court.
[Video]
Here's one dedicated to Elizabeth II for her Silver Jubilee
Music has evolved. no?
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:40:47am |
re: #457 Dar ul Harbarian
I was reading this version of the news from the WSJ:
U.S. Shelves Nuclear-Missile Shield
Czech Interim Prime Minister Gets Midnight Call
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:40:59am |
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:41:48am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:42:17am |
re: #459 Desert Dog
Here's one dedicated to Elizabeth II for her Silver Jubilee
[Video]Music has evolved. no?
lol
I will see your Sid and raise you a Renaissance ensemble!
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:44:36am |
re: #461 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #458 Leonidas Hoplite
I suspect, but do not know, that this is part of a deal with the Russians about Iran.
We have destroyed any credibility with our new allies from the former Warsaw Pact. Why should any Eastern European country trust us again? We just tossed them to the dogs - or to the bear...the big fat nasty Russian bear.
Russian uses Iran to extract favors from us and gain advantage. China uses North Korea in the same manner. And, we play right along...
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:45:59am |
re: #464 Desert Dog
We have destroyed any credibility with our new allies from the former Warsaw Pact. Why should any Eastern European country trust us again? We just tossed them to the dogs - or to the bear...the big fat nasty Russian bear.
Russian uses Iran to extract favors from us and gain advantage. China uses North Korea in the same manner. And, we play right along...
Did the voting American public want this?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:46:40am |
re: #465 Taqyia2Me
Did the voting American public want this?
Did the voting American public even know about this?
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:47:48am |
re: #466 thedopefishlives
Did the voting American public even know about this?
Not from the liberal/dem/msm consortium.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:47:48am |
re: #466 thedopefishlives
Did the voting American public even know about this?
No, most Americans don't have a clue about any of this. They are too busy watching American Idol and MTV.
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:50:21am |
re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote
You mother was a hamster and you father smelt of elderberries... no go away you silly English K-Nig-it, or I shall taunt you a second time...
We can debate politics all you want, but when you suggest I don't know Python, it hurts my nerd pride!
Oh, I didn't mean to say you didn't understand that joke.
I was referring to the "two word" joke I was laughing at.
(You're up early...)
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:50:24am |
re: #464 Desert Dog
We have destroyed any credibility with our new allies from the former Warsaw Pact. Why should any Eastern European country trust us again? We just tossed them to the dogs - or to the bear...the big fat nasty Russian bear.
Russian uses Iran to extract favors from us and gain advantage. China uses North Korea in the same manner. And, we play right along...
More like we are the toy. A ball of yarn, if you will.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:51:05am |
re: #456 LudwigVanQuixote
Shouldn't Philistine be capitalized?
/
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:51:24am |
re: #467 Taqyia2Me
re: #468 Desert Dog
Exactly my point. Americans being uninformed is a major cause of why politics is what it is in our country right now. If you compare us to previous generations, they cared a LOT more about our relations with allies and how we treated our friends, rather than how we treated our enemies.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:52:16am |
re: #463 LudwigVanQuixote
lol
I will see your Sid and raise you a Renaissance ensemble!
Shred-tastic!
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:56:32am |
re: #472 thedopefishlives
re: #468 Desert Dog
Exactly my point. Americans being uninformed is a major cause of why politics is what it is in our country right now. If you compare us to previous generations, they cared a LOT more about our relations with allies and how we treated our friends, rather than how we treated our enemies.
Americans have always been focused on what's happen in the USA. Not so much in the big bad world away from the USA. But, you are correct. There is a shocking lack of knowledge about what is happening in the world today by many Americans.
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McSpiff Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:59:01am |
re: #472 thedopefishlives
re: #468 Desert Dog
Exactly my point. Americans being uninformed is a major cause of why politics is what it is in our country right now. If you compare us to previous generations, they cared a LOT more about our relations with allies and how we treated our friends, rather than how we treated our enemies.
I suspect there is a shockingly large % that either couldn't properly name an ally or friend, or don't believe America has any.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:00:01am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:00:30am |
re: #476 McSpiff
I suspect there is a shockingly large % that either couldn't properly name an ally or friend, or don't believe America has any.
Most Americans can't even name one major world leader besides the President of the United States - not even the Queen or the Prime Minister of England (both of whom are rather well-known, and the PM in the news lately).
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:04:44am |
John Mohammed is set to be executed in November.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:05:05am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:05:24am |
re: #479 MandyManners
John Mohammed is set to be executed in November.
November can't come soon enough.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:05:53am |
re: #479 MandyManners
John Mohammed is set to be executed in November.
May the Triune God have mercy on his soul.
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McSpiff Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:06:44am |
re: #478 thedopefishlives
Most Americans can't even name one major world leader besides the President of the United States - not even the Queen or the Prime Minister of England (both of whom are rather well-known, and the PM in the news lately).
I'm Canadian, and was in washington DC when a Canadian election occurred. General election, a fairly big deal for us. Figured I'd just be able to look at the front page of a paper and find the results. Eventually found it somewhere in the middle of A section in USA Today. If the change of government of your largest trading partner isn't big news... Well, lets just say I was shocked.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:07:59am |
re: #479 MandyManners
John Mohammed is set to be executed in November.
Normally I am opposed to capital punishment... normally.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:08:40am |
re: #480 Bubblehead II
Morning all.
Looks like Hubbell now has some competition.
Proof positive that competition is good...
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:09:24am |
re: #483 McSpiff
I'm Canadian, and was in washington DC when a Canadian election occurred. General election, a fairly big deal for us. Figured I'd just be able to look at the front page of a paper and find the results. Eventually found it somewhere in the middle of A section in USA Today. If the change of government of your largest trading partner isn't big news... Well, lets just say I was shocked.
Y'all have elections up there? I though youse still have a King or a Queen or something? Do you even have cities up there? I love Canadians, they have great bacon! Do you live in Igloos still?
/
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:11:27am |
re: #484 LudwigVanQuixote
Normally I am opposed to capital punishment... normally.
I lived over 1,000 miles away then but I was terrified.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:11:31am |
re: #486 Desert Dog
Y'all have elections up there? I though youse still have a King or a Queen or something? Do you even have cities up there? I love Canadians, they have great bacon! Do you live in Igloos still?
/
Sad to say, your sarcasm echoes the sentiments of many ignorant Americans. I have a few Canadian friends I've met in my online travels. Their general opinion of Americans is of mostly harmless, elitist snobs. They seem genuinely surprised when they meet an American who actually talks like they respect their country.
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McSpiff Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:12:08am |
re: #486 Desert Dog
Honestly, not passing judgement on "the average american" for that one. Maybe it's just the media. Maybe there was a larger story that day. But it just left me scratching my head
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:13:30am |
re: #489 McSpiff
Honestly, not passing judgement on "the average american" for that one. Maybe it's just the media. Maybe there was a larger story that day. But it just left me scratching my head
Sometimes Canada and Mexico are considered parentheses.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:13:48am |
re: #488 thedopefishlives
Sad to say, your sarcasm echoes the sentiments of many ignorant Americans. I have a few Canadian friends I've met in my online travels. Their general opinion of Americans is of mostly harmless, elitist snobs. They seem genuinely surprised when they meet an American who actually talks like they respect their country.
Lots of Canadians down here in Phoenix during the winter months. One of our neighbors are snowbirds from Alberta. They live here from Oct to April. Nice very nice people. They think most Americans are quite friendly, but also quite naive about many things.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:14:44am |
re: #108 Charles
re: #105 freetokenUm... Charles, your parsing algorithm cut out characters from my link! The link has six A's in a row... and your parsimonious space-hamster cut it back to three (thus making the link in error.) How do I embed a link that has long strings of the same character?Uh, right now you can't. But you could use tinyurl or one of those link shorteners.
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McSpiff Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:16:03am |
re: #491 Desert Dog
Lots of Canadians down here in Phoenix during the winter months. One of our neighbors are snowbirds from Alberta. They live here from Oct to April. Nice very nice people. They think most Americans are quite friendly, but also quite naive about many things.
A friend of the family moved from here to Phoenix to work as a nurse actually. That sum ups a lot of her stories quiet nicely. Let me state as clearly as possible tho, that you could come here and experience the exact same thing in reverse.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:16:14am |
re: #485 Leonidas Hoplite
Normally I would agree. But when it comes to manned space flight and inner/extra solar system exploration, a go it alone approach will not work. The ISS is a good start, but we will never make it off this mud ball if we refuse to work together as a team
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:16:54am |
re: #493 McSpiff
A friend of the family moved from here to Phoenix to work as a nurse actually. That sum ups a lot of her stories quiet nicely. Let me state as clearly as possible tho, that you could come here and experience the exact same thing in reverse.
I did some traveling in Canada and met many, many nice people.
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Joshua Cohen Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:18:00am |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
Umm... he did lie again and again about WMD that were not there.
And don't had me the whole botched intelligence thing. Uranium centrifuges are big things and you need thousands of them in a large facility to get anywhere. You can not easily hide such a thing. It is right there in the open - like it is in Iran.
So, yes, he lied - or at best convinced himself that a falsehood was true.
Not just nukes are WMD! And he has proven that he is capable because he use chemical WMD before, against Iran and against his own people.
Yes, the army was very concerned about chemical warhead tipped missiles - and they practice with chem-suits a lot.
And besides a very long truck convoy that left Iraq toward Syria shortly before the begin of the war (it is documented), the Coalition Forces find WMD and components in Iraq. They find mostly chemical ones. And some advanced biological research results too.
Biggest problem of the pentagon was, they could not stand in front of the UN and say "We knew for sure Saddam has these weapons...because we have kept the receipt"
And then was there this airplane that crashed into the pentagon and I am damn sure it hits the part where these documents where stored. (conspiracy theory away!)
Last thing - uranium centrifuges are not very huge...they just have to rotate very fast.
But lets talk about the Syrian reactor that was hit a while ago...where did it and its technology come from...so nearly over night?
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:18:53am |
BTW, I have been having problems with LGF logging me off and not telling me. I only find out when I try to post a message and it tells me I have to be logged in. Anybody else running into this problem? I am using Safari 4.0.3
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:18:56am |
re: #487 MandyManners
I lived over 1,000 miles away then but I was terrified.
I was living in Rockville MD at the time...
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McSpiff Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:20:48am |
re: #495 Desert Dog
I did some traveling in Canada and met many, many nice people.
If the people of Vermont got any nicer, it would just make me uncomfortable ;-)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:21:53am |
Morning
I'm still on Long Island at the Hamptons and will be flying back to the mountains of Colorado this evening.
An aunt will be taking us for a driving tour of some of the big money related properties out here.
I thought of putting a sign on the car "Wind Farms Installed" with a phone number (sarcasm, for those who know the NIMBY conflicts that go on around here).
How is everyone, especially LVQ?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:23:01am |
re: #497 Bubblehead II
BTW, I have been having problems with LGF logging me off and not telling me. I only find out when I try to post a message and it tells me I have to be logged in. Anybody else running into this problem? I am using Safari 4.0.3
Are you opening multiple tabs (windows) in Safari that are on different pages on LGF. That will confuse both Safari and the site?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:23:30am |
re: #498 LudwigVanQuixote
I was living in Rockville MD at the time...
Would you be against the death penalty if you had lived in San Diego?
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:24:27am |
re: #497 Bubblehead II
BTW, I have been having problems with LGF logging me off and not telling me. I only find out when I try to post a message and it tells me I have to be logged in. Anybody else running into this problem? I am using Safari 4.0.3
Used to happen to me, but hasn't in a while. Now I only get logged out when I log onto LGF on another computer, and then come back to this one. Apparently you can only have one computer logged onto LGF at a time, or I'd just leave my home and work PCs logged on.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:25:54am |
re: #502 MandyManners
Would you be against the death penalty if you had lived in San Diego?
We talking about the sniper? I'm already pro-death penalty, has nothing to do with living and working in the sniper's kill zone.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:26:19am |
re: #496 Joshua Cohen
And besides a very long truck convoy that left Iraq toward Syria shortly before the begin of the war (it is documented), the Coalition Forces find WMD and components in Iraq. They find mostly chemical ones. And some advanced biological research results too.
Spare me. The justification for the war was an atomic program. Everyone knows this except revisionists.
Biggest problem of the pentagon was, they could not stand in front of the UN and say "We knew for sure Saddam has these weapons...because we have kept the receipt"
As to certain weapons systems that is almost certainly true. There are pictures of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand.
And then was there this airplane that crashed into the pentagon and I am damn sure it hits the part where these documents where stored. (conspiracy theory away!)
Al Queda hated Saddam. They would not try to help him. Further the pentagon was a secondary target. That plane was aiming for the White House. Your theory is insane.
Last thing - uranium centrifuges are not very huge...they just have to rotate very fast.
Ummm... me physicist who knows what he is talking about. You person who making shit up.
Seriously, that is bullshit.
[Link: science.howstuffworks.com...]
But lets talk about the Syrian reactor that was hit a while ago...where did it and its technology come from...so nearly over night?
Many suspect the Norks.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:26:45am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
Morning
I'm still on Long Island at the Hamptons and will be flying back to the mountains of Colorado this evening.
An aunt will be taking us for a driving tour of some of the big money related properties out here.
I thought of putting a sign on the car "Wind Farms Installed" with a phone number (sarcasm, for those who know the NIMBY conflicts that go on around here).
How is everyone, especially LVQ?
Quite well, and you?
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njdhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:26:59am |
re: #497 Bubblehead II
BTW, I have been having problems with LGF logging me off and not telling me. I only find out when I try to post a message and it tells me I have to be logged in. Anybody else running into this problem? I am using Safari 4.0.3
Yes. I have noticed that happening to me this week. I'm using Firefox 5.0.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:26:59am |
re: #501 Walter L. Newton
Yes. I have two windows (tabs) open. One for LGF and the other for news sites. But it does it to me even when I have a single window open. Very frustrating.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:28:03am |
re: #502 MandyManners
Would you be against the death penalty if you had lived in San Diego?
NO. His crimes are heinous enough and he was caught absolutely dead to rights. My concern for capital punishment comes when we do not have nearly the orgy of evidence that convicted this bastard.
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Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:28:10am |
re: #497 Bubblehead II
BTW, I have been having problems with LGF logging me off and not telling me. I only find out when I try to post a message and it tells me I have to be logged in. Anybody else running into this problem? I am using Safari 4.0.3
Morning. Happens to me all the time. Apparently it's "normal.'
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:28:11am |
re: #503 JamesTKirk
Just the one computer. Work is 50 miles away.
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njdhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:28:16am |
re: #487 MandyManners
I lived over 1,000 miles away then but I was terrified.
I was always looking around when I got gas back then. I felt like there was a bulls eye on my head every time I got out of my car.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:28:39am |
re: #502 MandyManners
And I can see why you asked that, but I think it was unfair.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:29:27am |
re: #512 Bubblehead II
Just the one computer. Work is 50 miles away.
Like I said, that used to happen to me a lot, then it stopped. No idea what the problem was, but maybe the bug has returned...
...or perhaps your security settings are blocking cookies or something else the LGF uses to keep you logged in?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:30:52am |
Morning everyone. OT: It's nice to see that Frontpage isn't supporting Pat Buchanan: [Link: frontpagemag.com...]
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:31:31am |
re: #513 njdhockeyfan
I was always looking around when I got gas back then. I felt like there was a bulls eye on my head every time I got out of my car.
I never changed my behavior or worried, since getting shot by the sniper (out of the millions of people in the DC, MD, and NoVA area) had similar odds to winning the lottery. My wife's parents kept calling to make sure neither of us had been shot, though -- they were more worried living hundreds of miles away than we were living in the area.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:31:52am |
re: #479 MandyManners
John Mohammed is set to be executed in November.
I posted a spinoff link about that yesterday.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:33:05am |
re: #518 Mad Al-Jaffee
I posted a spinoff link about that yesterday.
The only reason I hadn't brought it up the other day was because I didn't want to start a conversation on LGF about supporting someone's imminent death.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:33:36am |
re: #516 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. OT: It's nice to see that Frontpage isn't supporting Pat Buchanan: [Link: frontpagemag.com...]
That darn Churchill! Starting the war and all...he should be ashamed.
/
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:33:54am |
re: #487 MandyManners
I lived over 1,000 miles away then but I was terrified.
I really didn't let it bother me. I was working in Columbia, MD at the time, sort of in between Baltimore and DC. I decide that the vitims were so random that my chance of getting shot was very minimal. The only thing different I did was try to get gas from pumps that were less exposed to the road.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:34:23am |
re: #520 Desert Dog
That darn Churchill! Starting the war and all...he should be ashamed.
/
Especially after all the work Chamberlain went through to guarantee peace.
//
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:34:42am |
re: #514 LudwigVanQuixote
And I can see why you asked that, but I think it was unfair.
Sorry, but I thought the exact same thing after you said...
Normally I am opposed to capital punishment... normally
I was living in Rockville MD at the time...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:35:12am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:35:52am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:36:12am |
I really have a hard time wrapping my brain around how people like Buchanan can believe what they do.
Truly mind-boggling.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:36:38am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:37:29am |
re: #524 Spenser (with an S)
You guys are really cynical then.
No, my issue with capital punishment is not that I think no one ever has it coming. My issue is the oops factor that gets innocent men executed every so often.
In a case where you have the bastard dead to rights like this. That problem does not obtain.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:37:38am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:37:48am |
re: #528 JamesTKirk
Which ones?
ACORN, of course. I mean, what are those big bad media people trying to do to them. Next thing you know the media may have to call themselves "responsible." Horrors.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:38:41am |
re: #529 LudwigVanQuixote
You guys are really cynical then.
No, my issue with capital punishment is not that I think no one ever has it coming. My issue is the oops factor that gets innocent men executed every so often.
In a case where you have the bastard dead to rights like this. That problem does not obtain.
At least you are honest about it. Many who are against the death penalty are simply against it in any form, for any reason.
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John Neverbend Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:39:00am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
Morning
I'm still on Long Island at the Hamptons and will be flying back to the mountains of Colorado this evening.
Where in the Hamptons are you?
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:40:10am |
re: #530 NJDhockeyfan
NBC Guest Hears "You Uppity N-Word" After Joe Wilson Said "You Lie"
It's so easy to accuse people of racist comments when you get to make up what you heard them say.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:41:59am |
re: #529 LudwigVanQuixote
Ok, I can respect that. I was just saying I don't think MM was being mean since those statements could be construed that way.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:42:12am |
re: #534 JamesTKirk
It's so easy to accuse people of racist comments when you get to make up what you heard them say.
And a lot of people know that Wilson is racist because he yelled at the president and he's from the south. It's amazing how many people can read minds.
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Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:42:24am |
re: #530 NJDhockeyfan
I thought I hear him say "your tie"...but, I could be wrong...
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:42:56am |
Drone Attacks Target Pakistan Militants
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. believes Central Intelligence Agency drone attacks have killed two prominent Islamic militant figures in Pakistan affiliated with al Qaeda, one of whom was on the U.S.'s list of top 20 targets, according to officials briefed on the matter.
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Pullus Iulius Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:43:02am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:43:30am |
re: #532 Walter L. Newton
At least you are honest about it. Many who are against the death penalty are simply against it in any form, for any reason.
It's actually the Talmudic view on it. Pretty much any argument you could make about capital punishment is in there from both sides - by really smart people.
The conclusion was that yes, it is on the books, but they hated the responsibility of having to do it, for fear of falsely convicting an innocent. Again, this was not so much as to show undue mercy to the clearly guilty, but rather to spare the state from committing murder.
As such, the rules of evidence and procedure for a capital case were exceptionally strict. They would only execute if they were absolutely as certain as humanly possible that they had the right guy.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:44:01am |
re: #534 JamesTKirk
It's so easy to accuse people of racist comments when you get to make up what you heard them say.
Whoa, did I just hear you call me a cracker!!?!?!
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:44:56am |
re: #530 NJDhockeyfan
Did you hear Michael Steele's angry and astounded rant over that Cong. Black Caucus idiot's "white sheets" comment? I am truly amazed and saddened by this insertion of race into a non-racial situation.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:47:10am |
re: #542 Spenser (with an S)
Did you hear Michael Steele's angry and astounded rant over that Cong. Black Caucus idiot's "white sheets" comment? I am truly amazed and saddened by this insertion of race into a non-racial situation.
Wasn't Obama supposed to bring the races together? What happened to that?
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:47:40am |
re: #542 Spenser (with an S)
Did you hear Michael Steele's angry and astounded rant over that Cong. Black Caucus idiot's "white sheets" comment?
No. Did he bring up the not-to-be-forgotten point that the only former white sheet wearer in Congress is a Democrat named Byrd?
(After all, Byrd is the word.)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:47:58am |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
Wasn't Obama supposed to bring the races together? What happened to that?
A lot of angry white people decided they didn't like the idea and started shouting racist stuff at our president.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:48:12am |
re: #533 John Neverbend
Where in the Hamptons are you?
Hampton Bays. My girlfriend's 95 year old grandmother died and we flew in for the funeral.
I was born and raised in Brooklyn, been 25 years since I have been back east, I live in Colorado now.
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John Neverbend Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:48:13am |
re: #542 Spenser (with an S)
Did you hear Michael Steele's angry and astounded rant over that Cong. Black Caucus idiot's "white sheets" comment? I am truly amazed and saddened by this insertion of race into a non-racial situation.
It's rather like antibiotic treatment. If used sparingly, it can be effective at killing the "opposition", but if overused, the opposition evolves to develop a resistance.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:48:17am |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
Wasn't Obama supposed to bring the races together? What happened to that?
He hasn't finished constructing the camps yet that we're all going to be brought together in.
///
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:48:23am |
re: #544 JamesTKirk
No. Did he bring up the not-to-be-forgotten point that the only former white sheet wearer in Congress is a Democrat named Byrd?
(After all, Byrd is the word.)
And I hate his ass too.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:48:35am |
re: #540 LudwigVanQuixote
It's actually the Talmudic view on it. Pretty much any argument you could make about capital punishment is in there from both sides - by really smart people.
The conclusion was that yes, it is on the books, but they hated the responsibility of having to do it, for fear of falsely convicting an innocent. Again, this was not so much as to show undue mercy to the clearly guilty, but rather to spare the state from committing murder.
As such, the rules of evidence and procedure for a capital case were exceptionally strict. They would only execute if they were absolutely as certain as humanly possible that they had the right guy.
Got it.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:49:02am |
re: #547 John Neverbend
It's rather like antibiotic treatment. If used sparingly, it can be effective at killing the "opposition", but if overused, the opposition evolves to develop a resistance.
"The Boy Who Cried 'Klan'."
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:50:07am |
re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote
A lot of angry white people decided they didn't like the idea and started shouting racist stuff at our president.
Oh yeah...like Jimmy Carter.
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Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:50:09am |
re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote
A lot of angry white people decided they didn't like the idea and started shouting racist stuff at our president.
fine...if they make a racist remark...call them out...if they don't...don't frame them as racist. These people are alienating the people who really aren't racist.
| 554 |
garycooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:50:49am |
Of course there are racist a-holes in the crowd, and they need to be outed and abused. These signs are disgusting.
What's also disgusting, is calling every legitimate beef people have with Obama's policies racism. Americans weren't racist when they voted him into office, and when his approval-rating was around 70%. A lot of good people have real problems with what he's doing, me included.
| 555 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:51:21am |
Sometimes Mara Liason is a stopped clock and last night she seemed truly surprised and shocked that Obama might ignore the advice of his senior military advisers and not send the amount of support and troops needed for Afghanistan. She said "This is what he ran on, Iraq was the "bad war" and Bush took his eyes off the ball, we didn't get Osama yet, etc... and Afghanistan was the "good" and important war which he would fully fund. It was good to see a member of the MSM remember some of Obama's speeches.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:51:30am |
re: #554 garycooper
Of course there are racist a-holes in the crowd, and they need to be outed and abused. These signs are disgusting.
What's also disgusting, is calling every legitimate beef people have with Obama's policies racism. Americans weren't racist when they voted him into office, and when his approval-rating was around 70%. A lot of good people have real problems with what he's doing, me included.
Well of course they weren't racist then. They are racist now because they disagree. Geez
/
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:51:35am |
re: #551 JamesTKirk
"The Boy Who Cried 'Klan'."
/Joe Wilson shouts "you lie" at Obama during a speech and that inevitably leads to white folks in white KKK hoods riding through the countryside intimidating black people, that's the logical conclusion, REALLY?
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:51:44am |
re: #534 JamesTKirk
So I'm not the ONLY ONE???
I hear voices in my head all the time!!
...Just not those voices!
/
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VioletTiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:52:41am |
re: #553 Charpete67
fine...if they make a racist remark...call them out...if they don't...don't frame them as racist. These people are alienating the people who really aren't racist.
Calling anyone who disagrees with the President a racist is not helping the conversation. They are playing with fire and will eventually get burned ont this one.
Call out real racism when you see it but don't make shit up!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:52:47am |
re: #552 NJDhockeyfan
Oh yeah...like Jimmy Carter.
Yeah Carter is an asshole. No debate there from me.
However, please do not let the four or five threads on this site(with lots of ugly photos) interviews with attendees and the interviews with the organizer who called Obama a welfare thug get in your way of absolving the GOP of all blame and instead ranting at the Dems.
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garycooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:52:56am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
Morning
I'm still on Long Island at the Hamptons and will be flying back to the mountains of Colorado this evening.
An aunt will be taking us for a driving tour of some of the big money related properties out here.
I thought of putting a sign on the car "Wind Farms Installed" with a phone number (sarcasm, for those who know the NIMBY conflicts that go on around here).
How is everyone, especially LVQ?
La. Di. Da!
;)
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Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:52:57am |
re: #554 garycooper
Of course there are racist a-holes in the crowd, and they need to be outed and abused. These signs are disgusting.
What's also disgusting, is calling every legitimate beef people have with Obama's policies racism. Americans weren't racist when they voted him into office, and when his approval-rating was around 70%. A lot of good people have real problems with what he's doing, me included.
...if you're not carrying a sign, but still don't support him, you are a seekrit racist.../
| 563 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:53:40am |
Am I the only one who keeps seeing "porno" instead of "promo" in the title of the previous thread?
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Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:54:34am |
re: #563 JamesTKirk
Am I the only one who keeps seeing "porno" instead of "promo" in the title of the previous thread?
...mmm...porno...
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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:54:56am |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
He actually is trying to defuse the issue, but the hotheads on both sides keep bringing it up.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:55:07am |
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garycooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:55:08am |
re: #556 rwdflynavy
Well of course they weren't racist then. They are racist now because they disagree. Geez
/
Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, it's hard for me to keep up, with all the Klan meetings and all.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:55:21am |
re: #544 JamesTKirk
No, but it was good. It sounded like he was just hearing it for the first time, maybe and we caught his reaction.
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Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:55:33am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:55:46am |
re: #554 garycooper
Of course there are racist a-holes in the crowd, and they need to be outed and abused. These signs are disgusting.
What's also disgusting, is calling every legitimate beef people have with Obama's policies racism. Americans weren't racist when they voted him into office, and when his approval-rating was around 70%. A lot of good people have real problems with what he's doing, me included.
Those Americans still aren't racist.
Obviously, many still are.
Now I expect large amounts of willful blindness and utter brain hurting stupidity from you Gary, but seriously, this is not a small phenomena on the right. Again do not let the orgy of racist shit coming out of the GOP and the far right distract you with reality.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:56:23am |
re: #567 garycooper
Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, it's hard for me to keep up, with all the Klan meetings and all.
And you are the sort of asshole to find that funny too.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:56:36am |
re: #569 Danny
With bananas.
Oh dear lord. I walked in to this conversation at a BAD time, didn't I.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:56:51am |
re: #560 LudwigVanQuixote
Now the GOP is affiliated with and responsible for tea parties and everyone who attends them, is that it?
/thanks, I did not know that
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VioletTiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:57:26am |
re: #565 Bubblehead II
Carter and the other far left are trying to 'help' Obama. They need to tell Carter to STFU. He's not helping anyone.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:57:29am |
I don't care much for Debbie Schlussel these days, but this post on her blog (about Carter) made me laugh.
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:57:32am |
re: #567 garycooper
I want to know who the hell is in charge of the food at our
klan meetings!
Fried chicken and watermelon just seems...ah...ah...
...Not right!!
///
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:57:55am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:58:16am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:58:37am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:58:40am |
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:58:52am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:59:00am |
re: #576 reloadingisnotahobby
I want to know who the hell is in charge of the food at our
klan meetings!
Fried chicken and watermelon just seems...ah...ah...
...Not right!!
///
You forgot the greens and the grits.
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Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:59:34am |
re: #570 LudwigVanQuixote
Those Americans still aren't racist.
Obviously, many still are.
Now I expect large amounts of willful blindness and utter brain hurting stupidity from you Gary, but seriously, this is not a small phenomena on the right. Again do not let the orgy of racist shit coming out of the GOP and the far right distract you with reality.
you're missing what is being said...no one here is defending racism. People are just sick of being called racist because they oppose the president.
| 585 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:01:31am |
re: #573 Killian Bundy
Now the GOP is affiliated with and responsible for tea parties and everyone who attends them, is that it?
/thanks, I did not know that
Are you really denying all the bones that the GOP has been throwing that crowd. Do you really deny that a message that Obama is a big mean white hating black man, who is not Christian (call him Hussein), possibly not American, out to take your guns, out to take over the internet, out to kill your granny etc... is not going to whip up racism?
Do you deny that we hear this shit from leading voices of the GOP like Rush, and Beck, and Palin and many GOP senators and congress critters?
Did we forget how Rush told a black caller to take the bone out of his nose?
What about Barak the magic Negro?
What about all the talking points that Obama is an affirmative action charity case?
Spare me the Denial. The GOP has been fanning this. Members of the GOP who call themselves the GOP are fanning this.
It is insanity to deny it.
| 586 |
Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:01:44am |
re: #582 JamesTKirk
[Video]
(NSFW language)
I thought that was gonna be Zappa's "Stevie's Spanking."
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garycooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:01:53am |
re: #576 reloadingisnotahobby
I want to know who the hell is in charge of the food at our
klan meetings!
Fried chicken and watermelon just seems...ah...ah...
...Not right!!
///
It's Schlussel, the wench. Trying to be ironic, I think.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:02:37am |
re: #584 Charpete67
you're missing what is being said...no one here is defending racism. People are just sick of being called racist because they oppose the president.
Republicans?
Why they are nothing but a bunch of ___.
a)racists
b)Nazis
c)idiots
d)all of the above
When that is the usual perspective of the opposition, what are non-racist, non-Nazi, informed intelligent conservatives supposed to thing about that?
| 590 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:04:18am |
re: #584 Charpete67
you're missing what is being said...no one here is defending racism. People are just sick of being called racist because they oppose the president.
And I am not talking about people with legitimate beefs. No one is saying that you can't criticize Obama's policies.
However, if you honestly think that the GOP powers that be (such as they are) are not complicit in fanning these racist flames, or that those flames are burning, you are being willfully blind.
| 591 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:04:23am |
Talk about over stating the obvious...
th[Link: www.nypost.com...]
| 592 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:05:18am |
I seem to remember the problems Obama had during the primary in West Virginia and Kentucky because of claims of racism.
| 593 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:05:32am |
re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote
Do you deny that we hear this shit from leading voices of the GOP like Rush, and Beck, and Palin and many GOP senators and congress critters?
Yes, I do. Screw Beck, but do you have Rush or Palin racist quotes?
What about Barak the magic Negro?
You do know that this is a quote from a liberal, don't you? Not from Rush at all. He was doing what he does; Point out absurdity by being absurd. He was showing the obsession the Dems have with race.
| 594 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:06:17am |
re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote
Are you really denying all the bones that the GOP has been throwing that crowd. Do you really deny that a message that Obama is a big mean white hating black man, who is not Christian (call him Hussein), possibly not American, out to take your guns, out to take over the internet, out to kill your granny etc... is not going to whip up racism?
Do you deny that we hear this shit from leading voices of the GOP like Rush, and Beck, and Palin and many GOP senators and congress critters?
Did we forget how Rush told a black caller to take the bone out of his nose?
What about Barak the magic Negro?
What about all the talking points that Obama is an affirmative action charity case?
Spare me the Denial. The GOP has been fanning this. Members of the GOP who call themselves the GOP are fanning this.
It is insanity to deny it.
Barak the Magic Negro was the title of an article, written by a liberal, in a LA paper. Another questioned if he was black enough. But since they were liberals, they aren't racist.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:06:52am |
re: #593 Spenser (with an S)
You do know that this is a quote from a liberal, don't you? Not from Rush at all. He was doing what he does; Point out absurdity by being absurd. He was showing the obsession the Dems have with race.
That "magic negro" line is from Al Sharpton. Is he a racist now too? (He is, against white people)
| 597 |
turn Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:06:57am |
heh, Charles' buddy Beck made the cover of time magazine. I'm pretty sure it was fauxtography, his lips were bigger than Andrea Jolie's. Morning all.
| 598 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:07:31am |
re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote
Do you deny that we hear this shit from leading voices of the GOP like Rush, and Beck, and Palin and many GOP senators and congress critters?
Beck isn't even a Republican and how has he been racist? Rush doesn't speak for the GOP no matter how much you want to pin than tail on the elephant. He won't be speaking at the next GOP convention, you can bet on that.
/Palin and many GOP senators and congress critters, where's the racism?
| 599 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:08:07am |
re: #592 NJDhockeyfan
I seem to remember the problems Obama had during the primary in West Virginia and Kentucky because of claims of racism.
The Democratic primaries were tough.
Whenever Obama lost, it was because of racism.
Whenever Hillary lost, it was because of sexism.
That whole party is just filled with hate.
| 601 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:09:15am |
| 602 |
VioletTiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:09:50am |
| 603 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:10:05am |
re: #595 garycooper
Look at LVQ, all fired-up in attack-mode so early in the morning. Guess Bunny's not taking the edge off, like she used to. In bed.
Keep it up... Gary. I dare you.
| 604 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:10:10am |
re: #590 LudwigVanQuixote
And I am not talking about people with legitimate beefs. No one is saying that you can't criticize Obama's policies.
yes they are...if we criticize him, we are racist.
However, if you honestly think that the GOP powers that be (such as they are) are not complicit in fanning these racist flames, or that those flames are burning, you are being willfully blind.
no...I'm not...I see the signs, I'm just telling you that people who oppose Ob-ma are not all racist...the vast majority are not racist and many of the people who voted for him that are now opposed to him are not racist.
| 605 |
spudly Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:10:39am |
It would be interesting to see what % of signs were whacko birther related, what % were racist, what % were nazi comparisons, etc.
Clearly an organization that wants to have some credibility should have set rules that such signs were forbidden, and would be removed. Sure, they'd have trouble actually doing so (particularly if the signs were indeed a significant %), but the minimum requirement is to make a serious attempt at removal, IMO. If they really intend the message to be "less government" you'd think they'd care that the nut jobs dilute that. Course if the message is really birtherism, etc ...
| 607 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:11:00am |
Remember when Ted Rall made a cartoon depicting Condi Rice as a little bird with big lips calling George Bush "Masta?" No racisim there.
| 608 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:11:40am |
re: #607 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember when Ted Rall made a cartoon depicting Condi Rice as a little bird with big lips calling George Bush "Masta?" No racisim there.
don't forget about Colin Powell being called a "house negro"
| 609 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:11:45am |
re: #604 Charpete67
no...I'm not...I see the signs, I'm just telling you that people who oppose Ob-ma are not all racist...the vast majority are not racist and many of the people who voted for him that are now opposed to him are not racist.
I did not claim that all those who oppose Obama are racist. Don't be silly. Why do you keep reading yourself into things that clearly aren't talking about you?
| 610 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:12:07am |
re: #607 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember when Ted Rall made a cartoon depicting Condi Rice as a little bird with big lips calling George Bush "Masta?" No racisim there.
I think that was Pat Oliphant.
| 612 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:12:41am |
re: #607 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember when Ted Rall made a cartoon depicting Condi Rice as a little bird with big lips calling George Bush "Masta?" No racisim there.
Ted Rall is an asshole of the highest order.
| 613 |
Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:12:45am |
re: #593 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, I do. Screw Beck, but do you have Rush or Palin racist quotes?
There's an audio clip of Rush on Snopes telling a black caller to take the bone out of his nose.
| 614 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:13:21am |
re: #607 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember when Ted Rall made a cartoon depicting Condi Rice as a little bird with big lips calling George Bush "Masta?" No racisim there.
Colin Powell was referred to as Bush's "House Negro", Michael Steele was portrayed as a lawn jockey, etc.
It's not racism when white liberals disagree with black conservatives.
It's not racism when black liberals disagree with white conservatives.
It's only racism when white conservatives disagree with black liberals.
(And any black conservative who disagrees with white liberals? "Uncle Tom" and worse...)
| 615 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:13:39am |
re: #609 LudwigVanQuixote
I did not claim that all those who oppose Obama are racist. Don't be silly. Why do you keep reading yourself into things that clearly aren't talking about you?
/no, you just claim that the GOP is a racist organization, that's all
| 616 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:13:42am |
re: #608 Charpete67
don't forget about Colin Powell being called a "house negro"
But Condi, Powell and Steele are Republicans so they're not really black!
///
| 617 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:14:55am |
re: #616 Mad Al-Jaffee
But Condi, Powell and Steele are Republicans so they're not really black!
///
Miguel Estrada is a "fake" latino too
| 618 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:15:18am |
re: #612 Desert Dog
Ted Rall is an asshole of the highest order.
Don't insult assholes. They have a useful purpose.
| 619 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:15:29am |
re: #608 Charpete67
don't forget about Colin Powell being called a "house negro"
Or Michael Steele being called "Uncle Tom". It's ok to do these things when you are a liberal. Robert Byrd even said the n-word on TV. There was ZERO outrage by the left. Can you say double standard?
| 620 |
VioletTiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:15:29am |
re: #605 spudly
I think the problem was that this was a loose combination of many groups, without any real central guidance. I know a group from NJ who got together through Meet Up and went with 4 buses of peeps. The pics they showed me were very different. The people they showed me were of older Americans, people in wheel chairs, people of different races, moms pushing strollers. The signs were clever and respectful. No birthers, racists or even Nazi signs.
In my mind, this is like the blind men describing the elephant. You make conclusions on what you experience, but your description may not be completely accurate.
| 621 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:15:36am |
re: #616 Mad Al-Jaffee
But Condi, Powell and Steele are Republicans so they're not really black!
///
/race traitor is the term they use
| 622 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:15:41am |
| 623 |
VioletTiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:16:31am |
re: #613 Danny
There's an audio clip of Rush on Snopes telling a black caller to take the bone out of his nose.
If it is an audio clip, how would you know he is black?
| 624 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:16:51am |
re: #620 VioletTiger
I think the problem was that this was a loose combination of many groups, without any real central guidance. I know a group from NJ who got together through Meet Up and went with 4 buses of peeps. The pics they showed me were very different. The people they showed me were of older Americans, people in wheel chairs, people of different races, moms pushing strollers. The signs were clever and respectful. No birthers, racists or even Nazi signs.
In my mind, this is like the blind men describing the elephant. You make conclusions on what you experience, but your description may not be completely accurate.
RACISTS, mind-numbed Birther Paulian Birchers! The lot of them!!!
/
| 625 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:16:57am |
re: #615 Killian Bundy
/no, you just claim that the GOP is a racist organization, that's all
No I claim that the GOP is purposefully fanning those flames. I claim that some in the GOP are racist and I claim that the GOP is responsible for making this worse rather than better in a callous attempt to gain political traction.
I claim that the right wing blogoshere and Fox and most of the right wing talking heads are infested with this crazy and that most of those folks consider themselves to be the voice of Republicanism.
I also claim about three dozen threads on this blog as evidence to back up those assertions.
| 626 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:17:08am |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
Wasn't Obama supposed to bring the races together? What happened to that?
I don't know how much I'd rely on political rhetoric like this. I didn't really expect Bush to be a uniter not a divider.
| 627 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:17:35am |
re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've stopped paying attention to Ted Rall. Does Ted Rall still have a job somewhere? an employer?
| 628 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:17:53am |
| 629 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:17:58am |
re: #619 NJDhockeyfan
Or Michael Steele being called "Uncle Tom". It's ok to do these things when you are a liberal. Robert Byrd even said the n-word on TV. There was ZERO outrage by the left. Can you say double standard?
that's the issue...you can't rebut the racism argument by saying "they do it to"...what outrages me is the double standard.
| 630 |
Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:18:13am |
re: #623 VioletTiger
If it is an audio clip, how would you know he is black?
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
| 631 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:19:45am |
re: #626 Flyers1974
I don't know how much I'd rely on political rhetoric like this. I didn't really expect Bush to be a uniter not a divider.
For all the hatred spewing forth from the left, GWB was a lot more willing to work with the Democrats than Pres. Obama is with the Republicans. That may change after the midterms when he starts dealing with a more hostile Congress...we'll see.
| 632 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:20:10am |
re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote
No I claim that the GOP is purposefully fanning those flames.
Who in the GOP is "fanning those flames"?
/your a little light on the specifics there
| 633 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:20:56am |
Your truck is big and loud1 Can I have your love child?
| 635 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:21:57am |
re: #633 MandyManners
Your truck is big and loud1 Can I have your love child?
I'm a sucker for that line...
| 636 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:22:44am |
re: #633 MandyManners
Your truck is big and loud1 Can I have your love child?
Git in the truck, bitch!! (redneck foreplay)
/
| 637 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:23:02am |
re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote
I also claim about three dozen threads on this blog as evidence to back up those assertions.
/which one had anything to do with the GOP?
| 638 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:23:55am |
| 639 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:24:28am |
re: #637 Killian Bundy
/which one had anything to do with the GOP?
the GOP is responsible for the behavior and words of anyone who is opposed to dear leader...the DNC has no responsibility for anyone opposed to Bush...
| 640 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:24:45am |
From this point foreword I will refer to myself
as a Hyphenated - American!!!
Damn it !! I'm Dutch-American!!!
...Now can have my free shit?
| 641 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:24:59am |
re: #629 Charpete67
that's the issue...you can't rebut the racism argument by saying "they do it to"...what outrages me is the double standard.
You personally may be different, but most people I see (in regard to politics) are only outraged at double standards when their party/political philosophy/politician is the victim.
| 642 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:24:59am |
| 643 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:25:37am |
| 644 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:26:14am |
re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote
No I claim that the GOP is purposefully fanning those flames. I claim that some in the GOP are racist and I claim that the GOP is responsible for making this worse rather than better in a callous attempt to gain political traction.
I claim that the right wing blogoshere and Fox and most of the right wing talking heads are infested with this crazy and that most of those folks consider themselves to be the voice of Republicanism.
I also claim about three dozen threads on this blog as evidence to back up those assertions.
I would submit that one side is more focused on race and it infuses everything they do. Separating races, judging people by the color of their skin, having a racial identity first and an American identity second. There is one party in this country that does this? Which one?
| 645 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:26:31am |
which is worse for the political discourse in the country...a racist or people accusing people of being racist who aren't...I would argue they both are destructive and worsen the race issue.
| 646 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:26:59am |
re: #632 Killian Bundy
Who in the GOP is "fanning those flames"?
/your a little light on the specifics there
Rush specifically, Beck specifically, Palin specifically, Inhofe specifically...
Every damn evil blog that Charles won't link to specifically.
All of the nirthers and the deathers and the conspiracy theorists that call themselves GOP and get bones thrown to them by GOP critters.
By promoting the meme that the president is an alien muslim, out to destroy America, create death panels etc...who only got where he was via affirmative action they are fanning the flames of racism.
Racism breeds on fear of the other and fear of losing to the other.
All of those memes directly play to that. It is the basis and the essence of racism. The fact that the GOP leadership equivocates enough so that you can pretend it isn't there is not an excuse. It is, in reality no different than the moonbat Dems who equivocate that anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism.
| 647 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:27:29am |
| 648 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:27:41am |
re: #644 Desert Dog
I would submit that one side is more focused on race and it infuses everything they do. Separating races, judging people by the color of their skin, having a racial identity first and an American identity second. There is one party in this country that does this? Which one?
The Democrats.
| 649 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:28:50am |
re: #644 Desert Dog
I would submit that one side is more focused on race and it infuses everything they do. Separating races, judging people by the color of their skin, having a racial identity first and an American identity second. There is one party in this country that does this? Which one?
Well the country club in my home town is still the center of the county GOP. They still don't welcome Jews, Blacks or Hispanics...
You tell me...
| 650 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:28:55am |
I guess the DNC is a bunch of racists because Hank Johnson and Maureen Dowd are "fanning the flames".
/LVQ logic
| 651 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:28:59am |
| 652 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:29:33am |
re: #641 Flyers1974
You personally may be different, but most people I see (in regard to politics) are only outraged at double standards when their party/political philosophy/politician is the victim.
agreed.
| 654 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:29:42am |
Speaking of Racism:
If you can figure out what this lady is blathering about...
And people like this are the reason racism will never die.
Colbert hands her plate full of stupidity with stupidity filling and she set the table for it.
| 655 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:29:50am |
re: #644 Desert Dog
I would submit that one side is more focused on race and it infuses everything they do. Separating races, judging people by the color of their skin, having a racial identity first and an American identity second. There is one party in this country that does this? Which one?
Stop being so inconvenient.
| 656 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:30:42am |
| 657 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:30:44am |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Well the country club in my home town is still the center of the county GOP. They still don't welcome Jews, Blacks or Hispanics...
Is that first hand knowledge?
| 658 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:30:45am |
re: #631 Desert Dog
For all the hatred spewing forth from the left, GWB was a lot more willing to work with the Democrats than Pres. Obama is with the Republicans. That may change after the midterms when he starts dealing with a more hostile Congress...we'll see.
I know what you mean, but I'm not a believer in the "bipartisan" issue - I don't think either party's president or congressmen, etc..., work with the other side unless reality demands it, i.e., the numbers aren't there or the public wants bipartisanship on a particular issue, or a president works with the other side today when he doesn't have to, in order to gain some concession tomorrow.
| 659 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:31:17am |
re: #646 LudwigVanQuixote
Rush specifically, Beck specifically, Palin specifically, Inhofe specifically...
Every damn evil blog that Charles won't link to specifically.
All of the nirthers and the deathers and the conspiracy theorists that call themselves GOP and get bones thrown to them by GOP critters.
By promoting the meme that the president is an alien muslim, out to destroy America, create death panels etc...who only got where he was via affirmative action they are fanning the flames of racism.
Racism breeds on fear of the other and fear of losing to the other.
All of those memes directly play to that. It is the basis and the essence of racism. The fact that the GOP leadership equivocates enough so that you can pretend it isn't there is not an excuse. It is, in reality no different than the moonbat Dems who equivocate that anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism.
Painting with the wide tipped brush today I see...
| 661 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:31:55am |
re: #653 MandyManners
Beck is not a Republican.
And yet he is the darling of so many Republicans and the star of the GOP media wing Fox. Sorry Mandy, he counts for this purpose.
And Paul and Buchanan count too. Let's not forget them.
| 662 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:32:38am |
It's quiet. Oh, so quiet. Quiet enough that I can hear the couch whispering, "NAP TIME". L8R.
| 663 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:33:02am |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Please!
Give us the name of the Country Club!!!
99% of us here would crash their site!!
| 664 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:33:05am |
| 665 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:34:20am |
re: #663 reloadingisnotahobby
Please!
Give us the name of the Country Club!!!
99% of us here would crash their site!!
You wouldn't dare. Obviously this small-town country club is the one running the entire national GOP and coordinating all of its racist attitudes according to Luddy.
| 666 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:34:45am |
re: #662 MandyManners
It's quiet. Oh, so quiet. Quiet enough that I can hear the couch whispering, "NAP TIME". L8R.
It's not whispering if it's using all capital letters.
| 667 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:35:00am |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Well the country club in my home town is still the center of the county GOP. They still don't welcome Jews, Blacks or Hispanics...
You tell me...
Gee, well that blows my idea out of the water. A private club for idiots. There are no private clubs on the Dem side for individual racial groups? I think I will sign up for Mecha, La Raza, NAACP, etc...think they'll take lily white Desert Dog into their club?
| 668 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:35:01am |
re: #657 Leonidas Hoplite
Is that first hand knowledge?
Yes. I never applied and would never want to, but it is well known in the community. As a bone to changing times they did take down the sign - in the early eighties.
| 669 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:35:31am |
re: #660 antoniojvr
Well, since there are 4 racists there, everybody else must be. Good jerb there, homestar.
COACH Z!
| 670 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:35:40am |
re: #665 JamesTKirk
Never say DARE to crazy Dutch-American -Lizard!!
LOL;-)
| 671 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:35:53am |
re: #668 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes. I never applied and would never want to, but it is well known in the community. As a bone to changing times they did take down the sign - in the early eighties.
Please post the name & a link. They need to be exposed.
| 672 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:36:02am |
re: #667 Desert Dog
Gee, well that blows my idea out of the water. A private club for idiots. There are no private clubs on the Dem side for individual racial groups? I think I will sign up for Mecha, La Raza, NAACP, etc...think they'll take lily white Desert Dog into their club?
If you are calling the NAACP a club for idiots you seriously need to rethink the propaganda you have been reading.
| 673 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:36:09am |
Morning all. Weird this morning not coming in to an overnight open thread. Charles didn't get kidnapped and sent to a reeducation camp did he?
| 674 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:36:41am |
re: #670 reloadingisnotahobby
Never say DARE to crazy Dutch-American -Lizard!!
LOL;-)
I double-dog-lizard dare you!
| 675 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:36:59am |
A woman can play in a PGA tournament if she's good enough.
A guy can't play on the LPGA tour.
SEXISM!!!
| 676 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:37:11am |
re: #668 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes. I never applied and would never want to, but it is well known in the community. As a bone to changing times they did take down the sign - in the early eighties.
That doesn't sound like first hand knowledge to me.
| 677 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:37:33am |
re: #658 Flyers1974
I know what you mean, but I'm not a believer in the "bipartisan" issue - I don't think either party's president or congressmen, etc..., work with the other side unless reality demands it, i.e., the numbers aren't there or the public wants bipartisanship on a particular issue, or a president works with the other side today when he doesn't have to, in order to gain some concession tomorrow.
It's a vote thing. If Bush had the votes, he would have rammed down things the Democrats would have hated. Power is power. Perhaps that is why Obama is pushing for all this stuff now...he figures he may never get this kind of majority ever again.
| 678 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:37:44am |
re: #667 Desert Dog
Go for broke Dog!!
Join the "Black Caucus"!!!
( Just enter your first meeting w/ a red and white cane)!!
| 679 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:38:08am |
re: #676 Leonidas Hoplite
That doesn't sound like first hand knowledge to me.
My first hand has knowledge of your mother, Trebek.
| 680 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:38:18am |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Well the country club in my home town is still the center of the county GOP. They still don't welcome Jews, Blacks or Hispanics...
You tell me...
Yes but, do they welcome gays and transsexuals?
| 681 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:38:21am |
re: #675 Cannadian Club Akbar
A woman can play in a PGA tournament if she's good enough.
A guy can't play on the LPGA tour.
SEXISM!!!
Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people. - Ferris Bueller
| 682 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:38:50am |
re: #678 reloadingisnotahobby
Go for broke Dog!!
Join the "Black Caucus"!!!
( Just enter your first meeting w/ a red and white cane)!!
The Black Caucus wasn't even happy about a black Republican joining.
| 683 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:39:15am |
re: #659 Oh no...Sand People!
Painting with the wide tipped brush today I see...
And what is wide tipped about that? How do you think racism becomes virulent in a society?
| 684 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:39:26am |
re: #672 LudwigVanQuixote
If you are calling the NAACP a club for idiots you seriously need to rethink the propaganda you have been reading.
Please read that again, Sir. I believe you will notice the "idiot" connotation appears on the sentence above and refers to your GOP controlled Country Club.
I do have issues with the NAACP though. Does that make me a racist?
| 685 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:39:59am |
re: #681 Locker
Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people. - Ferris Bueller
I forgot the sarc tag. Opps.
| 686 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:40:02am |
re: #683 LudwigVanQuixote
And what is wide tipped about that? How do you think racism becomes virulent in a society?
By people like you painting entire groups with a wide-tipped brush.
| 687 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:40:28am |
re: #684 Desert Dog
Please read that again, Sir. I believe you will notice the "idiot" connotation appears on the sentence above and refers to your GOP controlled Country Club.
I do have issues with the NAACP though. Does that make me a racist?
I have issues with the desert but I love dogs... I'm not sure if that makes me pro or anti Desert Dog. Couldn't we maybe move you to Hawaii and you could be Beach Dog or Volcano Dog or something?
| 688 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:41:04am |
re: #685 Cannadian Club Akbar
I forgot the sarc tag. Opps.
Ahah I knew you were kidding it just made me think of Ferris Bueller talking with a towel on his head.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:41:06am |
re: #676 Leonidas Hoplite
That doesn't sound like first hand knowledge to me.
Do you really think that the residents of a small town in Pa would not know this?
Very silly apologetic... OK continue in denial.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:41:46am |
re: #684 Desert Dog
Please read that again, Sir. I believe you will notice the "idiot" connotation appears on the sentence above and refers to your GOP controlled Country Club.
I do have issues with the NAACP though. Does that make me a
racist?
Goes Without Sayin...
or ...GWS!
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:42:03am |
re: #687 Locker
I have issues with the desert but I love dogs... I'm not sure if that makes me pro or anti Desert Dog. Couldn't we maybe move you to Hawaii and you could be Beach Dog or Volcano Dog or something?
Volcano Dog! Ya!
I have issues with the desert as well...it's too friggin hot!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:42:29am |
Now the TP's want to sue the DC Metro. I can't make this shit up!
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:42:53am |
re: #689 LudwigVanQuixote
Do you really think that the residents of a small town in Pa would not know this?
Very silly apologetic... OK continue in denial.
Not sure I said the club in question was innocent of accused practices, but whatever.
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Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:43:26am |
re: #691 Desert Dog
Volcano Dog! Ya!
I have issues with the desert as well...it's too friggin hot!
You and me both sir. Funny though I read that post I put up and it makes me hungry for hot dogs. Mmmm Volcano Dog with melted pepper jack and jalepenos.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:43:27am |
re: #684 Desert Dog
Please read that again, Sir. I believe you will notice the "idiot" connotation appears on the sentence above and refers to your GOP controlled Country Club.
I do have issues with the NAACP though. Does that make me a racist?
Sir, let's not get the temperature up too high. No one said that everyone has to like everything the NAACP does.
However, if you were not making a direct parallel, there would be no point in even mentioning the NAACP. This is one of the lamer attempts at a cop out by semantics I have seen here.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:43:31am |
re: #681 Locker
Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people. - Ferris Bueller
"I am the walru?"
-Donnie, The Big Lebowski
| 697 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:43:39am |
re: #646 LudwigVanQuixote
Rush specifically, Beck specifically, Palin specifically, Inhofe specifically...
Every damn evil blog that Charles won't link to specifically.
All of the nirthers and the
deathers and the conspiracy theoriststhat call themselves GOP and get bones thrown to them by GOP critters.
By promoting the meme that the president is an alien muslim, out to destroy America, create death panels etc...who only got where he was via affirmative action they are fanning the flames of racism.
Racism breeds on fear of the other and fear of losing to the other.
All of those memes directly play to that. It is the basis and the essence of racism. The fact that the GOP leadership equivocates enough so that you can pretend it isn't there is not an excuse. It is, in reality no different than the moonbat Dems who equivocate that anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism.
Alright, all that is bolded: Not racist.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:43:40am |
Gotta run...time to make tons of cash to pay for all of this extravagance here at Dog Manor.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:44:42am |
re: #695 LudwigVanQuixote
Sir, let's not get the temperature up too high. No one said that everyone has to like everything the NAACP does.
However, if you were not making a direct parallel, there would be no point in even mentioning the NAACP. This is one of the lamer attempts at a cop out by semantics I have seen here.
Well, you certainly should know lame, Lud
;-)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:44:46am |
The NAACP still uses the outdated, politically incorrect term "colored people" in their name. Does that make them racist?
/
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Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:44:53am |
re: #698 Desert Dog
Gotta run...time to make tons of cash to pay for all of this extravagance here at Dog Manor.
Peace brother.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:05am |
re: #694 Locker
You and me both sir. Funny though I read that post I put up and it makes me hungry for hot dogs. Mmmm Volcano Dog with melted pepper jack and jalepenos.
Now, you're talkin'!!
| 703 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:20am |
Health care: Which Democrat can out-spend and out-tax the other. It's a race to the bottom.
| 705 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:36am |
re: #698 Desert Dog
Cash?
So your a Hooker or a Pimp?
Later!
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Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:38am |
re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee
The NAACP still uses the outdated, politically incorrect term "colored people" in their name. Does that make them racist?
/
I like NASCAR sometimes... does that make me a racist? (That tour de france stuff though... BOOORING).
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Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:44am |
re: #644 Desert Dog
I would submit that one side is more focused on race and it infuses everything they do. Separating races, judging people by the color of their skin, having a racial identity first and an American identity second. There is one party in this country that does this? Which one?
The Democrats or at least a significant minority of Democrats focus on race. Agreed. On the flip side, The Republicans ignore the past and not only the distant past, but the past as recent as our lifetimes. And for the following reasons, I would suggest: (1) the GOP can do very well in elections despite ignoring the past (although this may change in the future when and if demographics change); (2) Putting the past in its proper perspective and admitting its repercussions would take away from the potency of many of the GOP's hot button issues; (3) The "solid south" went from solid for Democrats to solid for the GOP because the Dems became the party of civil rights. Think of where the GOP would be today in the south if the parties switched roles regarding civil rights.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:45:56am |
re: #692 Mad Al-Jaffee
Now the TP's want to sue the DC Metro. I can't make this shit up!
As a local, let me just say "What else is new?"
Following the crash some months back, the Metro system has sucked. (Well, OK, the crash sucked, too.) They've been doing all sorts of checks, maintenance, track closures, and so forth that make the entire system run at practically half-speed, meaning it takes forever to get anywhere. Government efficiency at work.
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Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:46:02am |
re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee
The NAACP still uses the outdated, politically incorrect term "colored people" in their name. Does that make them racist?
/
that's because it was founded by republicans...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:46:19am |
re: #686 JamesTKirk
By people like you painting entire groups with a wide-tipped brush.
What painting entire groups of frothing racists?
Which part of the GOP talking heads on Fox and rightwing radio and blogosphere, and many of the leaders of the GOP are fanning these flames is painting an entire group? This is a pretty specific set.
I am sorry if it hurts your feelings to face the reality of this.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:46:32am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:46:33am |
re: #706 Locker
I like NASCAR sometimes... does that make me a racist? (That tour de france stuff though... BOOORING).
ONly racist rednecks watch NASCAR, so yes!
///
| 714 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:46:50am |
Analysis: Barack Obama's missile shield decision will be cheered in Russia
Obama: No plans for additional troop increase in Afghanistan
Obama runs his tidy whities up the flagpole of surrender and runs away.
/does that make him a racist?
| 715 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:47:23am |
re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee
The NAACP still uses the outdated, politically incorrect term "colored people" in their name. Does that make them racist?
/
Yep. Them and the Negro College Fund.
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Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:47:33am |
re: #707 D. Lapin
Charles,
Out of thousands of photos of signs at this protest, you were able to dig up a few that have tacky or offensive messages. Big deal. The vast majority of these people are protesting the president's policies, not his color or religion. For you to post this as representative of the protest is disingenuous at best. Your postings are often interesting, even if I don't always agree, but this is ridiculous. Your agenda is showing.
Yea I don't remember Charles saying this or that is representative of the protest. He's countering arguments that these factions weren't there at all or didn't have signs, etc.
| 717 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:47:50am |
Congressmen Took Obama At His Word Over Invite to Review Health Bill “Line by Line”
President Obama issued the following invitation at a Town Hall meeting he held in July in Raleigh, NC (White House transcript):
So I just want everybody to know, Congress will have time to read the bill. They will have time to debate the bill. They will have all of August to review the various legislative proposals. When we come back in September, I will be available to answer any question that members of Congress have. If they want to come over to the White House and go over line by line what’s going on, I will be happy to do that.The next day Congressman Phil Roe (R-TN) wrote the President accepting his invitation. His letter is here. No word came back from the White House so Roe sent a second letter in early September. Two weeks after that second letter, still no response from the President who claimed he would be “happy” to sit down and go over the bill.
Congressman Michael C. Burgess, M.D. (R-Texas), chair of the Congressional Health Care Caucus. has also written twice noting in his second letter that the President stated in his speech before Congress last week that “My door is always open.”
Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) has also written multiple times with no response. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) also indicated his willingness to review the health bills “line by line” with the President.
| 718 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:48:05am |
re: #705 reloadingisnotahobby
Cash?
So your a Hooker or a Pimp?
Later!
You distract him, I'll search his backyard for tin cans.
| 719 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:48:14am |
I didn't want Hillary to get the nomination because I assumed that her brand of government run health care would be crammed down our throats. No thanks. I assumed Obama would be better, more moderate. Turns out he's just as left-wing as Hillary. If not more so. Am I a racist?
| 720 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:48:22am |
re: #709 JamesTKirk
As a local, let me just say "What else is new?"
Following the crash some months back, the Metro system has sucked. (Well, OK, the crash sucked, too.) They've been doing all sorts of checks, maintenance, track closures, and so forth that make the entire system run at practically half-speed, meaning it takes forever to get anywhere. Government efficiency at work.
I've been commuting on Metro for over three years and it has sucked way before the crash. And they're talking about raising fares again.
| 722 |
badger1970 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:49:26am |
re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee
Indianapolis, the city of Indians, location of NCAA HQ who is up in arms about Native-American school nicknames, NDSU has no comment /
I was having a rare Godzilla-free morning, when I went to Drudge, dammit. USA selling out its allies one country at a time.
| 723 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:49:28am |
re: #714 Killian Bundy
Analysis: Barack Obama's missile shield decision will be cheered in Russia
Obama: No plans for additional troop increase in Afghanistan
Obama runs his tidy whities up the flagpole of surrender and runs away.
/does that make him a racist?
Even Killian's advanced state of ODS doesn't make him a racist imo. Now his rebel flag boxer shorts on the other hand...
| 724 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:49:39am |
re: #677 Desert Dog
It's a vote thing. If Bush had the votes, he would have rammed down things the Democrats would have hated. Power is power. Perhaps that is why Obama is pushing for all this stuff now...he figures he may never get this kind of majority ever again.
Agree all the way. Its business, not personal.
| 725 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:49:45am |
re: #718 JamesTKirk
You distract him, I'll search his backyard for tin cans.
Piece of cake!!...Here ,take this Metal Detector...
| 726 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:50:32am |
re: #720 Mad Al-Jaffee
I've been commuting on Metro for over three years and it has sucked way before the crash. And they're talking about raising fares again.
Less service for more money!
The DC Metro.
The US Postal Service.
And coming soon ... ObamaCare!
| 728 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:51:42am |
| 729 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:54:11am |
re: #722 badger1970
Indianapolis, the city of Indians, location of NCAA HQ who is up in arms about Native-American school nicknames, NDSU has no comment /
I was having a rare Godzilla-free morning, when I went to Drudge, dammit. USA selling out its allies one country at a time.
Looks like they are after the Washington Redskins name again. This time they took it to the Supreme Court.
| 730 |
lbphilly Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:55:02am |
Okay, we get it. Some of the folks in Washington on 9/12 have a bad attack of Teh Crazy. Generally, any family reunion brings out at least one fruitcake, so a gathering of tens of thousands,or hundreds of thousands, is going to attract a couple hundred or even a couple thousand whackadoodles.
This doesn't mean everyone's a racist, Nirther, Godwin Exemplar, etc. Some of us are even acknowledging that we need to disavow the crazies, and have been saying so. A little acknowledgment of this simple fact might be nice.
| 731 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:55:06am |
Gotta run. Will check back later to see if we had an early morning flounce, re #707
| 732 |
garycooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:56:09am |
re: #603 LudwigVanQuixote
Keep it up... Gary. I dare you.
You're just too hilarious, for this early in the am. "I dare you." LOL!
| 733 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:56:10am |
Thanks all for the Microsoft vs. OpenOffice help with my new (used) laptop. I went with OpenOffice and AVG anti-v and Firefox. Open source, baby! It turns out I was the second-hand beneficiary of a Govt. Program, finally. This high school kid took a "green jobs, technology for MI" class this summer and got a free laptop which he barely used and then his unemployed mom sold it. 2Gb RAM, 160Gb drive, integrated wireless, 15.6" screen and a new case all for $250.
| 734 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:56:23am |
re: #730 lbphilly
Nobody's saying everybody, but Teh Stupid (tm) is obviously much more prevalent at these occasions than anyone cares to admit. And with that, I'll be back this afternoon sometime after my all-morning meeting.
| 735 |
norman1905 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:56:58am |
I'm not even American and I disagree with Obama's policies. Am I a racist too?
Focusing on these signs is stupid. They are not representative.
| 736 |
KenJen Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:57:24am |
OT. Having an argument with someone. Are an asteroid and a meteorite the same thing? I say no. Anyone?
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:57:56am |
re: #730 lbphilly
No, but it means that those who don't agree with the racists and troglodytes should speak out against them and drum them from the party. They shouldn't be engaging in the racist crap or the nirtherism. Once you let that creep into the party, it rots it from the inside - just as surely as the Democrats are affected by a similar problem - the BDS morphing into trooferism that has a hold on a significant portion of Democrats and a systematic opposition to anything that Bush did.
| 738 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:58:01am |
re: #732 garycooper
You're just too hilarious, for this early in the am. "I dare you." LOL!
Watch it, I've seen him do some things.
/Josey wales
| 739 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:58:18am |
re: #733 Spenser (with an S)
Thanks all for the Microsoft vs. OpenOffice help with my new (used) laptop. I went with OpenOffice and AVG anti-v and Firefox. Open source, baby! It turns out I was the second-hand beneficiary of a Govt. Program, finally. This high school kid took a "green jobs, technology for MI" class this summer and got a free laptop which he barely used and then his unemployed mom sold it. 2Gb RAM, 160Gb drive, integrated wireless, 15.6" screen and a new case all for $250.
Sounds like a good deal; and so far OpenOffice has been good to me on the rare occasions when I want to open or create spreadsheets or whatnot at home.
| 740 |
garycooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:58:21am |
re: #671 NJDhockeyfan
Please post the name & a link. They need to be exposed.
You will NEVER see the country club named here, because it's fictional, like AGW. :)
Why isn't Coracle here, yet? Hope she's okay.
| 741 |
StillAMarine Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:58:24am |
Yes, we all know that there are absolute loons and nutwings amongst those who call themselves "conservatives." The pictures ures speak for themselves, and I thank Charles for making them available. However, let us not forget that amongst those loons are some very sincere people who are not loons, but who have very well founded concerns for the future of our country.
(Why does it take 5 minutes for the system to echo my typing???)
| 742 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:59:20am |
re: #733 Spenser (with an S)
Thanks all for the Microsoft vs. OpenOffice help with my new (used) laptop. I went with OpenOffice and AVG anti-v and Firefox. Open source, baby! It turns out I was the second-hand beneficiary of a Govt. Program, finally. This high school kid took a "green jobs, technology for MI" class this summer and got a free laptop which he barely used and then his unemployed mom sold it. 2Gb RAM, 160Gb drive, integrated wireless, 15.6" screen and a new case all for $250.
Nice one. Good choice going with AVG and Firefox. I'll post my run down in a following thread for yourself or any other folks.
| 743 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:59:43am |
re: #723 Locker
Even Killian's advanced state of ODS doesn't make him a racist imo. Now his rebel flag boxer shorts on the other hand...
Rebel flag boxer shorts? Does this mean when he gets Viagra, he says "the South shall rise again"?
| 744 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:00:01am |
re: #719 FrogMarch
I didn't want Hillary to get the nomination because I assumed that her brand of government run health care would be crammed down our throats. No thanks. I assumed Obama would be better, more moderate. Turns out he's just as left-wing as Hillary. If not more so. Am I a racist?
Obviously being against some healthcare plan doesn't make one racist.
| 746 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:00:31am |
re: #733 Spenser (with an S)
I've been in the business a long time and have found that the best security layer is built with free software. Why and how can free software be better than the paid version? Basically the motivation is quality over profit.
In addition to the software applications below I also have a firmware firewall inside my router and use the windows XP firewall. If you don't have a router you can find a free version of zone alarm here:
[Link: www.zonealarm.com...]
Below is my personal security layer application list. I use all of these applications myself and do not pay for security software. To date, I have one of the cleanest machines around and I go to places on the net where trouble is guaranteed. I'm not saying these apps and steps will make you bulletproof but they will help considerably in keeping your machine in good working order.
On to
the list...
Application: AVG Free
Purpose: Anti-virus protection and removal including email scanners and active blocker.
Use: Update definitions daily. Keep active at all times in the tool tray (done by default).
Run a scan monthly or at the FIRST sign of trouble. Be sure to install the AVG toolbar for IE or Firefox as it scans pages when you search via Google or Yahoo and marks them as dangerous if they host hostile scripts.
Link: [Link: free.avg.com...]
Application: Spybot Search & Destroy
Purpose: Spyware, adware, malware and trojan protection and removal.
Use: Update weekly and then immunize. Run a scan monthly or at the FIRST sign of trouble.
Link: [Link: www.safer-networking.org...]
Application: Spyware Blaster
Purpose: Spyware, adware and malware blocker.
Use: Update weekly and apply all protections. This app has no scanning piece, it's just a passive (but great) blocker.
Link: [Link: www.javacoolsoftware.com...]
Application: Ad-aware Free
Purpose: Adware and malware blocker and remover.
Use: Update weekly and apply all protections. Run a scan monthly or at the FIRST sign of trouble
Link: [Link: www.lavasoft.com...]
Application: Keepass Password Safe
Purpose: Password and information library. Turn off password saving in IE or Firefox and use this instead.
Also great for storing information as it has great security and also is encrypted in memory so even a hacker can't get the data. I love this application but fyi setting up the auto login can be tricky at first. Ask me for help if you need it.
Use: Add an entry whenever you make an account on a new website then use Keepass to log in on revisit.
Link: [Link: keepass.info...]
Application: Ez-cleaner
Purpose: Registry, startup and start menu cleaner.
Use: This application may be for more advanced users but it's great at finding partially removed software keys in the registry or finding duplicate files or unused start menu items. I like it.
Link: - [Link: personal.inet.fi...]
Additionally I use Firefox as my browser as opposed to IE as I feel it is much more secure then Internet Explorer and I really like the addons. I highly recommend obtaining the following addons:
Adblock Plus - Blocks advertisemens on webpages.
IE Tab - Opens up Internet Explorer tabs inside the Firefox window. Never use IE again!
NoScript - Blocks ALL scripts from running on your machine without your permission. Takes a bit of extra clicking when you visit a new webpage but totally worth it to block jerks from hijacking your browser or spamming you with crap.
WOT - Web of Trust. Marks web page security and content based on user ratings when you search via Google, Yahoo, etc.
Answers - Alt leftclick any word to get a definition.
Foxmarks - Synchronize bookmarks between multiple machines.
If you use the applications above and do your monthly maintenance you should be in really good shape.
| 747 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:00:46am |
re: #736 KenJen
Asteroid: A relatively small, inactive body, composed of rock, carbon or metal, which is orbiting the Sun.
Comet: A relatively small, sometimes active object, which is composed of dirt and ices. Comets are characterised by dust and gas tails when in proximity to the Sun. Far from the Sun it is difficult to distinguish an asteroid from a comet.
Meteoroid: A small particle from an asteroid or comet orbiting he Sun.
Meteor: A meteoroid that is observed as it burns up in the Earth's atmosphere - a shooting star.
Meteorite: A meteoroid that survives its passage through the Earth's atmosphere and impacts the Earth's surface.
| 748 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:01:46am |
Anyone who criticizes Obama is motivated by racism because, you know, it's absurd to think that someone might actually disagree with Obama's policies!
/see how that works?
| 749 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:02:34am |
Good morning.
So I assume we have all seen that Obama is throwing the Poles and Czechs under the bus? (And the rest of Western Europe, come to think of it, in a way.)
| 750 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:02:37am |
re: #736 KenJen
OT. Having an argument with someone. Are an asteroid and a meteorite the same thing? I say no. Anyone?
A meteorite is a chunk of rock from space which has collided with the Earth's surface. Before it hit the Earth, but after it entered the Earth's atmosphere, it was a meteor. Before that, when it was a free-falling rock in space, it was a meteoroid.
An asteroid is a chunk of rock, larger than a meteoroid, which is still in space and in its own orbit -- generally between Mars and Jupiter.
| 752 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:03:04am |
re: #733 Spenser (with an S)
Thanks all for the Microsoft vs. OpenOffice help with my new (used) laptop. I went with OpenOffice and AVG anti-v and Firefox. Open source, baby! It turns out I was the second-hand beneficiary of a Govt. Program, finally. This high school kid took a "green jobs, technology for MI" class this summer and got a free laptop which he barely used and then his unemployed mom sold it. 2Gb RAM, 160Gb drive, integrated wireless, 15.6" screen and a new case all for $250.
I hope it came with install CDs, because you should always wipe and reinstall the OS on a used computer. (Maybe after you see what interesting stuff is on it, although that wouldn't be nice.)
You don't know what viruses and malware are on the system.
And I mean take the option to reformat the hard drive and do a clean install.
| 753 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:03:07am |
re: #748 Killian Bundy
Anyone who criticizes Obama is motivated by racism because, you know, it's absurd to think that someone might actually disagree with Obama's policies!
/see how that works?
Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan.
/OMG...most doctors are RACIST!
| 754 |
KenJen Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:03:31am |
re: #747 Spenser (with an S)
Asteroid: A relatively small, inactive body, composed of rock, carbon or metal, which is orbiting the Sun.
Comet: A relatively small, sometimes active object, which is composed of dirt and ices. Comets are characterised by dust and gas tails when in proximity to the Sun. Far from the Sun it is difficult to distinguish an asteroid from a comet.
Meteoroid: A small particle from an asteroid or comet orbiting he Sun.
Meteor: A meteoroid that is observed as it burns up in the Earth's atmosphere - a shooting star.
Meteorite: A meteoroid that survives its passage through the Earth's atmosphere and impacts the Earth's surface.
Are they made of the same materials?
| 755 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:03:48am |
re: #736 KenJen
OT. Having an argument with someone. Are an asteroid and a meteorite the same thing? I say no. Anyone?
This is by no means based on any hard-core scientific knowledge on my part, but I'd say a meterorite is something as small as a grain of sand - the shooting stars we see. Asteroids are those big boulder things in belts as in "The Empire Strikes Back." Or in the 80's arcade game asteroids.
| 756 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:04:17am |
re: #752 Kosh's Shadow
OK, does it matter if it was never even registered or connected to the internet?
| 757 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:04:57am |
re: #720 Mad Al-Jaffee
I've been commuting on Metro for over three years and it has sucked way before the crash. And they're talking about raising fares again.
My take; I have been a DC Metro commuter since 1997. It still compares favorably to most other systems I know. That said, service has certainly gotten worse in the last few years.
| 758 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:05:02am |
re: #740 garycooper
You will NEVER see the country club named here, because it's fictional, like AGW. :)
Why isn't Coracle here, yet? Hope she's okay.
Oh no you didn't!!!
| 759 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:05:17am |
If you oppose universal health care - you might be a racist
If you oppose cap and trade - you might be a racist
If you oppose giving more power to unions - you might be a racist
If you oppose the stimulus bill - you might be a racist
If you believe we should stand up to islamo facism and support Israel - you might be a racist
If you believe that no fist in the middle east will be unclenched by being nice - you might be a racist
If you oppose bailing out the auto companies - you might be a racist
If you hold a president to their campaign promises - you might be a racist
If you are sickened by the liberal media pimping their liberal candidate - you might be a racist
If you don't believe all conservative are racists - you might be a racist
If you think ACORN is a bad organization - you might be a racist
If you are concerned about the presidents past associations - you might be a racist
If you think we should not abandon our allies in Eastern Europe and capitulate to Russia - you might be a racist
If you deny some sort of anecdotal racial experience as evidence of pervasive racism in the GOP - you might be a racist
| 760 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:05:30am |
re: #754 KenJen
I would say yes, but that is going on memory of my daughter's 4th grade science project :)
| 761 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:05:31am |
re: #746 Locker
I agree, although I use the commercial version of AVG, a 5-license pack.
And the toolbar is very useful - it caught a virus in a NY Times ad before it caused any problems.
| 762 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:05:37am |
re: #750 JamesTKirk
A meteorite is a chunk of rock from space which has collided with the Earth's surface. Before it hit the Earth, but after it entered the Earth's atmosphere, it was a meteor. Before that, when it was a free-falling rock in space, it was a meteoroid.
An asteroid is a chunk of rock, larger than a meteoroid, which is still in space and in its own orbit -- generally between Mars and Jupiter.
An asteroid can become a meteoroid if it gets knocked out of its orbit and enters the path of a planet, like Earth (and becomes a meteor on entering the Earth's atmosphere and a meteorite on impact). That can happen if it collides with other asteroids or other debris that crosses its orbit.
| 763 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:05:54am |
re: #714 Killian Bundy
Analysis: Barack Obama's missile shield decision will be cheered in Russia
Obama: No plans for additional troop increase in Afghanistan
Obama runs his tidy whities up the flagpole of surrender and runs away.
/does that make him a racist?
No immediate plans for troops, I'll wait until he's asked. :
"There have been indications that Obama soon could be asked to commit even more American troops. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, however, has signaled he would like to gauge the impact of the 6,000-troop increase before considering whether to send more."
| 764 |
badger1970 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:06:23am |
re: #749 Occasional Reader
I disobeyed my first rule, never read the morning news without at least one cup of coffee (and a Tums).
Great timing by the almighty bo.
| 765 |
Silvergirl Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:06:39am |
re: #714 Killian Bundy
Obama runs his tidy whities up the flagpole of surrender and runs away.
/does that make him a racist?
Those underwear are tighty whities because they're tighter than boxers, not tidy, just so you know.
| 766 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:06:50am |
re: #746 Locker
Could you email that to me? I need to get some of the ones you wrote about.
Malwarebytes is really good as well.
| 767 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:07:24am |
re: #754 KenJen
Are they made of the same materials?
Asteroids and meteorites are basically rocks. What makes them different are size and location.
Comets are not the same material; they also contain a great deal of dirty ice (which melts as they approach the sun, causing the tail).
| 768 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:07:37am |
re: #756 Spenser (with an S)
OK, does it matter if it was never even registered or connected to the internet?
If it was never connected to the internet, then it is probably safe. Have AVG run a complete scan after you install it, including a scan for rootkits. (If it doesn't have a rootkit scan in the free version, try free ones you can find from a reputable antivirus company; I believe trend micro (trendmicro.com) has one.)
| 769 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:08:20am |
re: #749 Occasional Reader
Good morning.
So I assume we have all seen that Obama is throwing the Poles and Czechs under the bus? (And the rest of Western Europe, come to think of it, in a way.)
I never agreed with the US paying for and manning a shield to protect Europe. It's about time Europe stops using American tax money to covers its ass.
| 770 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:08:32am |
re: #765 Silvergirl
Those underwear are tighty whities because they're tighter than boxers, not tidy, just so you know
I won't get graphic, but my wife, the mother of our three boys would certainly agree with that statement.
| 771 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:08:35am |
re: #736 KenJen
OT. Having an argument with someone. Are an asteroid and a meteorite the same thing? I say no. Anyone?
Why you so divisive, equal rights for all things! Are you 'spacist' or something...oh and PLUTO deserves equal rights!
///
| 772 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:08:38am |
re: #765 Silvergirl
Those underwear are tighty whities because they're tighter than boxers, not tidy, just so you know.
We have found the infamous Michelle Obama "whitey" tape!
//
| 773 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:09:11am |
re: #756 Spenser (with an S)
OK, does it matter if it was never even registered or connected to the internet?
You can still get viruses by putting an infected disk into the computer. That's how they spread before the internet. (Some USB devices from China have also been found to contain viruses preloaded direct from the factory.) Was it never connected to or upgraded with anything?
| 774 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:09:26am |
re: #769 avanti
I never agreed with the US paying for and manning a shield to protect Europe. It's about time Europe stops using American tax money to covers its ass.
Sure but why start now after 60 years of a free ride?
| 775 |
SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:09:40am |
re: #730 lbphilly
Okay, we get it. Some of the folks in Washington on 9/12 have a bad attack of Teh Crazy. Generally, any family reunion brings out at least one fruitcake, so a gathering of tens of thousands,or hundreds of thousands, is going to attract a couple hundred or even a couple thousand whackadoodles.
This doesn't mean everyone's a racist, Nirther, Godwin Exemplar, etc. Some of us are even acknowledging that we need to disavow the crazies, and have been saying so. A little acknowledgment of this simple fact might be nice.
The problem is that the neo-Nazis, Birthers, Troofers, Birchers and so on are the ones who are organizing, promoting and running the Tea Parties.
Now, I happend to agree that attempting to extend this display of organized crazy to the entire GOP or the entire body of Conservatives is beyond lame and well across the line into pointless insult. But there is a real problem in that a movement heavily identified with the GOP and Conservatism has been hijacked by assholes and little is being done to draw a line in the sand to seperate the two sides.
This is exactly the same place Dems found themselves in back in 2002; they stayed in that place - losing - until 2006 and 2008, when they wisely locked their family members with multiple chromosomes in the basement.
| 776 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:09:52am |
re: #769 avanti
I never agreed with the US paying for and manning a shield to protect Europe. It's about time Europe stops using American tax money to covers its ass.
Ah, the New Isolationist position.
| 777 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:10:13am |
re: #759 Charpete67
Nobody here is saying that.
| 778 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:10:23am |
re: #762 lawhawk
An asteroid can become a meteoroid if it gets knocked out of its orbit and enters the path of a planet, like Earth (and becomes a meteor on entering the Earth's atmosphere and a meteorite on impact). That can happen if it collides with other asteroids or other debris that crosses its orbit.
But once it becomes a meteor(ite), it is no longer an asteroid.
It is an ex-asteroid. It is pining for the fjords.
| 779 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:10:55am |
re: #774 Leonidas Hoplite
Sure but why start now after 60 years of a free ride?
Because Obama is doing it. And he's just so dreamy.
| 780 |
pingemi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:11:10am |
I recall from the tea party I attended there was one objectionable sign that stood out (and I mentioned it to the holder at the time).
That was in a crowd of about 1500. (I don't count the Ron Paul 2008 signs as objectionable but they were out of place).
For the sake of the question that follows I'll stipulate LGF's crowd estimate size of 75k as given.
So my question is given a crowd of 75,000 how many unacceptable signs are sufficient to peg the crowd as racists and what is the lowest amount of unacceptable signs to conclude that the sign bearers are a small minority.
I would assume that any amount between those numbers would be considered a matter of some concern.
| 782 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:12:41am |
Stinky's got his work cut out for him on this thread when he wakes up.
| 783 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:12:41am |
On a completely unrelated note -
Poland, Czech Republic alarmed at US plans to scrap missile shield
This is a big mistake.
big.
Kissing the wrong asses. Betraying a few that stood with us on Iraq. The Obama Admin just made things harder for future presidents.
| 784 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:12:56am |
re: #769 avanti
I never agreed with the US paying for and manning a shield to protect Europe. It's about time Europe stops using American tax money to covers its ass.
Exactly! Who needs defense when we can fund abortions over there.
| 785 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:13:26am |
Obama ignored Bush's warning, and has forgotten Poland.
| 786 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:13:31am |
re: #763 avanti
No immediate plans for troops, I'll wait until he's asked. :
Sources: McChrystal Wants Up to 40,000 More Troops in Afghanistan
Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is privately requesting between 30,000 and 40,000 more troops, a request that has produced "sticker shock" and "huge resistance" among key lawmakers, sources told FOX News.
Congressional liberals who led the charge against the Iraq war are starting to turn their attention to Afghanistan, putting pressure on the Obama administration to scale back even as it prepares to consider a likely request to increase the U.S. troop presence.
Members of the "Out of Iraq" caucus are organizing into a new group whose mission will be to question the military surge in the country President Obama has deemed critical to the fight against terrorism.
"He will hear from us," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., who was a founding member of the Iraq caucus.
He's been asked. Do you seriously think he's not looking for the nearest exit door in Afghanistan?
/but I suppose we'll have to wait until he's finished eating his waffle
| 787 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:13:48am |
re: #783 karmic_inquisitor
On a completely unrelated note -
Poland, Czech Republic alarmed at US plans to scrap missile shield
This is a big mistake.
big.
Kissing the wrong asses. Betraying a few that stood with us on Iraq. The Obama Admin just made things harder for future presidents.
Very hard. Countries aren't going to trust alliances with the US. Why should they?
And this should send a message to Israel.
| 788 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:14:11am |
re: #781 deweynapoleon
There always has been racism and there will always be racism on all sides. It is part of the evolutionary process species favor their kind in order to perpetuate and survive.
Uh... you DO know that human beings of all races and ethnicities are part of the same SPECIES, right?
| 789 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:14:18am |
re: #786 Killian Bundy
Do you seriously think he's not looking for the nearest exit door in Afghanistan?
He could exit through Iran.
| 791 |
SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:14:43am |
re: #781 deweynapoleon
People are seeing racism everywhere and in everything even when there is not any historical context of racism in the symbol or words.
This is already very old and will produce a backlash that will diminish REAL racism and cause an atmosphere of boy crying wolf.
There always has been racism and there will always be racism on all sides. It is part of the evolutionary process species favor their kind in order to perpetuate and survive. Blame Darwin.
There's only one species of human. Race isn't a biological construct, although I'm sure someone will be along trying to futilely hammer that square peg into a round hole.
| 792 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:15:13am |
re: #783 karmic_inquisitor
On a completely unrelated note -
Poland, Czech Republic alarmed at US plans to scrap missile shield
This is a big mistake.
big.
Kissing the wrong asses. Betraying a few that stood with us on Iraq. The Obama Admin just made things harder for future presidents.
Indeed. Countries around the world are taking note of whether we will stand with our friends or not.
| 793 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:15:16am |
re: #790 theuglydougling
That didn't take long - re: 751
Followed immediately by 781, the one which prompted my comment.
| 794 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:15:56am |
The Zionist baby making machine:
Jerusalem woman, 99, leaves 1400 grandchildren
I have only 22 grandchildren (will be 23 very soon), I don't think that I could have that many by the time I am 99. But who knows? My kids are very fecund. We are taking over the world, you know.
| 795 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:16:21am |
re: #789 JamesTKirk
He could exit through Iran.
Considering our logistics situation, it'd be a challenge to exit in any direction.
/at least if we want to take our equipment with us
| 796 |
StillAMarine Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:17:19am |
re: #746 Locker
I have also been in the business for a while and can vouch for Locker's recommendations. Firefox with NoScript is an absolute must.
| 797 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:17:24am |
FOREHEAD SLAP
Note to self: Do not quote soon-to-be-deleted comment, even to mock it.
| 798 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:18:00am |
re: #792 Occasional Reader
Indeed. Countries around the world are taking note of whether we will stand with our friends or not.
/Venezuela cuts an arms/nuclear deal with Russia and Obama's obsessed with ragging on Honduras
| 799 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:18:27am |
re: #776 Occasional Reader
Ah, the New Isolationist position.
I guess, I'm tired of us being the worlds cop pretty much by ourselves. If Europe feels threatened by Iran, they should step up to the plate, or at least pay the bill.
We are carrying the water for the world in Afghanistan too, and Europe is at least as threatened by the terrorists there as we are.
| 800 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:18:57am |
re: #798 Killian Bundy
/Venezuela cuts an arms/nuclear deal with Russia and Obama's obsessed with ragging on Honduras
See, we need the missile defense equipment here at home.
/partial
| 801 |
Joshua Cohen Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:19:29am |
re: #506 LudwigVanQuixote
Many suspect the Norks.
Spare me. The justification for the war was an atomic program. Everyone knows this except revisionists.
Planing to use Strontium in a dirty bomb would also be an atomic program...
And I never heard its just because of the Atomic Program from Bush.
Do you know the meaning of projection?
And besides that - to me there is not much of a difference between dying because of a Nuke, a dirty bomb or a chemical warhead or even some biological agents.
And the second and the third are the most possible scenarios of a WMD attack, be it by foreign country sponsored state terrorists or some more independent acting religious nutheads.
Al Queda hated Saddam. They would not try to help him. Further the pentagon was a secondary target. That plane was aiming for the White House. Your theory is insane.
You knew the exact intentions of the terrorist because of?
Besides your statement says nothing about what was stored in that part of the building and was destroyed by the fire.
Intentionally or not.
Last but not least you did not get the joke at all...
Ummm... me physicist who knows what he is talking about. You person who making shit up.
I see there nothing that can not be transported by a truck.
Not that you would need to transport these things...just some important parts, some raw material and the machine tools to made them and of course the engineering data.
Besides that - while there is an optimal size, it is not said that you can not build them much smaller. You will just need many more. But yes there will be a minimal and maximal size - what these are I am not sure, but smaller than the ones you show is absolutely possible.
Something with 5m height should work.
Saying this as an engineer.
And that would fit in a 20 feet ISO container...And there are also 40 feet's.
Many suspect the Norks.
Ah yes. The rich Norks with all there spare raw materials...they just have laying around these things and its no problem to them shipping it to Syria...
But the neighbor Iraq with lots of money...with a reactor that was bombed by the IDF in the 80ties...just some drive hours away - no that is totally impossible!
Besides that the Norks have in fact provided personal and know-how and cried about their losses direct after the bombing.
But this does not said where all the material came from so suddenly.
| 802 |
theuglydougling Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:20:43am |
re: #777 Killgore Trout
Maybe not, but many Dems and their media sock puppets have been running with it.
| 803 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:20:54am |
re: #800 Kosh's Shadow
See, we need the missile defense equipment here at home.
/partial
It's going to be a sad state of affairs when Israel beats the hell out of Iran and then we, individual concerned citizens, will have to beg them to send help over here to deal with Venezuela also. I highly doubt our administration will do much about it.
| 804 |
Silvergirl Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:21:12am |
re: #780 pingemi
So my question is given a crowd of 75,000 how many unacceptable signs are sufficient to peg the crowd as racists and what is the lowest amount of unacceptable signs to conclude that the sign bearers are a small minority.I would assume that any amount between those numbers would be considered a matter of some concern.
One sign is enough to get attention. If it gets play in the media, it gets a label. We don't want that label. The crowd itself may not be racist as a whole, but individuals with signs can be seen as representing the beliefs of the rest of the sign carriers with innocuous signs.
| 805 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:22:13am |
re: #792 Occasional Reader
And why is Obama moving to scrap the missile defense plan? Because he now thinks that Iranian missile tech isn't as advanced as previously believed?
Great. It's not like our intel has been wrong before - particularly on Iran and other totalitarian and closed regimes. It's not like our enemies are simply sitting still and wont have the kinks worked out of their systems sooner or later.
What is the harm in getting the missile defense system up and running to protect against a missile that doesn't come? That's certainly far better than the alternative - having a bolt from the blue strike Europe with deadly consequences and not having fielded the very system that could have prevented deadly consequences.
It's a seriously compromised decision on Obama's part, and I have to wonder what Obama is getting in return for not fielding the system from the Russians or the Iranians. That can be the only real explanation here, and I have little trust in either to keep their end of the bargain.
| 806 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:22:41am |
re: #786 Killian Bundy
He's been asked. Do you seriously think he's not looking for the nearest exit door in Afghanistan?
/but I suppose we'll have to wait until he's finished eating his waffle
Do you not read your own posts ? There has been no formal request, nor a firm decision to deny more troops if asked. Many on the right are opposed to a increase too, and it will meet resistance in Congress. There is no indication that he's looking for a exit, he's ramped up our commitment.
| 807 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:23:21am |
re: #803 Oh no...Sand People!
It's going to be a sad state of affairs when Israel beats the hell out of Iran and then we, individual concerned citizens, will have to beg them to send help over here to deal with Venezuela also. I highly doubt our administration will do much about it.
Yes, our administration will side with the UN complaining that Israel defended itself instead of going"peacefully" to the nuclear crematorium that Iran was preparing.
And yes, the Holocaust reference here is intentional; I think this (Iran's plans for Israel) is one of the few places it is legitimate.
| 808 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:23:21am |
re: #799 avanti
I guess, I'm tired of us being the worlds cop pretty much by ourselves. If Europe feels threatened by Iran, they should step up to the plate, or at least pay the bill.
We are carrying the water for the world in Afghanistan too, and Europe is at least as threatened by the terrorists there as we are.
I agree that it's tiresome, expensive and unfair. That does not make it unnecessary, however.
| 809 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:24:44am |
re: #805 lawhawk
And why is Obama moving to scrap the missile defense plan? Because he now thinks that Iranian missile tech isn't as advanced as previously believed?
Great. It's not like our intel has been wrong before - particularly on Iran and other totalitarian and closed regimes. It's not like our enemies are simply sitting still and wont have the kinks worked out of their systems sooner or later.
What is the harm in getting the missile defense system up and running to protect against a missile that doesn't come? That's certainly far better than the alternative - having a bolt from the blue strike Europe with deadly consequences and not having fielded the very system that could have prevented deadly consequences.
It's a seriously compromised decision on Obama's part, and I have to wonder what Obama is getting in return for not fielding the system from the Russians or the Iranians. That can be the only real explanation here, and I have little trust in either to keep their end of the bargain.
I believe he has been promised several shipments of unicorns.
| 810 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:24:58am |
re: #506 LudwigVanQuixote
Wrong on several counts, not the least of which were the multiple UN resolutions that cited more than just Iraq's nuclear programs, but his gross violation of human rights, genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and the failure to follow all prior UN SCRs. The nuke program was the part that dealt with stopping potential imminent threats to US national security given that Iraq had previously sponsored international terrorism, including harboring known international terrorists and operating terror training camps at Salman Pak.
That's not just not revisionist history, but the facts of the runup to the war.
| 811 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:25:59am |
re: #794 Alouette
The Zionist baby making machine:
Jerusalem woman, 99, leaves 1400 grandchildren
I have only 22 grandchildren (will be 23 very soon), I don't think that I could have that many by the time I am 99. But who knows? My kids are very fecund. We are taking over the world, you know.
Wow! She must have gone through tons of Palestinean blood to fee them all!
Do I really need a tag?
/
| 812 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:26:17am |
re: #805 lawhawk
It's a seriously compromised decision on Obama's part, and I have to wonder what Obama is getting in return for not fielding the system from the Russians or the Iranians.
Promises to unclench fists!
That can be the only real explanation here, and I have little trust in either to keep their end of the bargain
If only you were President...
| 813 |
MJ Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:26:25am |
The New York Times today is sticking up for terrorists and their instigators...again:
Visas and Speech
"...The evidence suggests that Mr. Ramadan’s strong criticism of United States foreign policy is what really triggered his exclusion..."
Of course, the evidence actually says just the opposite- that Ramadan is indeed a terrorist enabler and a master of doublespeak. Indeed, just a few weeks ago the City of Rotterdam and and ERASMUS University fired him.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 814 |
StillAMarine Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:27:42am |
re: #787 Kosh's Shadow
I hope it sends a message to those leftists who seem to infest the Jewish Federation!
| 815 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:28:11am |
| 816 |
MJ Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:28:47am |
re: #805 lawhawk
And why is Obama moving to scrap the missile defense plan? Because he now thinks that Iranian missile tech isn't as advanced as previously believed?
Great. It's not like our intel has been wrong before - particularly on Iran and other totalitarian and closed regimes. It's not like our enemies are simply sitting still and wont have the kinks worked out of their systems sooner or later.
What is the harm in getting the missile defense system up and running to protect against a missile that doesn't come? That's certainly far better than the alternative - having a bolt from the blue strike Europe with deadly consequences and not having fielded the very system that could have prevented deadly consequences.
It's a seriously compromised decision on Obama's part, and I have to wonder what Obama is getting in return for not fielding the system from the Russians or the Iranians. That can be the only real explanation here, and I have little trust in either to keep their end of the bargain.
Obama is getting exactly the same thing he got when he agreed to meet with the Iranians who specifically said they will not discuss the nuclear issue:
Nothing.
| 817 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:30:06am |
re: #816 MJ
Obama is getting exactly the same thing he got when he agreed to meet with the Iranians who specifically said they will not discuss the nuclear issue:
Nothing.
No, you're wrong, we are improving our stature in the community of nations.
///
| 818 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:30:49am |
re: #815 Oh no...Sand People!
[Link: sendables.jibjab.com...]
| 819 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:30:49am |
| 820 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:31:07am |
re: #817 Leonidas Hoplite
No, you're wrong, we are improving our stature in the community of nations.
///
How does "bending over and grabbing our ankles" qualify as "stature"?
| 821 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #816 MJ
Obama is getting exactly the same thing he got when he agreed to meet with the Iranians who specifically said they will not discuss the nuclear issue:
Nothing.
But NOW the world likes us. *tears welling up* They really really do! *hugs self in self adulation*
///
| 822 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:32:09am |
re: #806 avanti
There has been no formal request, nor a firm decision to deny more troops if asked.
So, McChrystal isn't going to request between 30,000 and 40,000 more troops because it hasn't been "formal"? Think Obama will approve that?
/remember, he promised a win
| 823 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:32:30am |
re: #820 JamesTKirk
How does "bending over and grabbing our ankles" qualify as "stature"?
we are now the same stature as Europe
| 824 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:33:16am |
re: #820 JamesTKirk
How does "bending over and grabbing our ankles" qualify as "stature"?
I dunno. Ask Obama. He's wicked smaaahhht.
| 825 |
StillAMarine Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:33:45am |
re: #794 Alouette
The Zionist baby making machine:
Jerusalem woman, 99, leaves 1400 grandchildren
I have only 22 grandchildren (will be 23 very soon), I don't think that I could have that many by the time I am 99. But who knows? My kids are very fecund. We are taking over the world, you know.
Please do. Then we would have more scientists, doctors, creative artists, and productive people in general. Of course there would be more lawyers, but there is a downside to everything ...
| 826 |
pingemi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:33:56am |
re: #804 Silvergirl
That is true but what I'm interested in knowing is how many signs do my fellow LGF readers consider enough in a 75k crowd to peg it racist.
It's true that at least one Fiskie winner is ready to declare it but I'm not asking him.
| 827 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:34:25am |
Meanwhile, Cheney is in the hospital again, and the local blog commenters sure are caring and supportive:
[Link: dcist.com...]
/
| 828 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:34:30am |
| 829 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:34:42am |
re: #822 Killian Bundy
/remember, he promised a win
He was friggin' Patton-like in his toughness on Afghanistan during the campaign.
| 830 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:34:54am |
| 831 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:35:02am |
Happy Molotov Ribbentrop Day!
Cocktails all around. President Obama honored the occasion of the Russian invasion of Poland by ... giving up missile defense for Poland and The Czech Republics.
| 832 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:35:13am |
re: #825 StillAMarine
Please do. Then we would have more scientists, doctors, creative artists, and productive people in general. Of course there would be more lawyers, but there is a downside to everything ...
It is so disappointing not getting into Med School.
| 833 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:35:47am |
re: #830 Leonidas Hoplite
At least Messier had a slap shot and could deliver a hit now and then.
| 834 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:36:02am |
| 835 |
nonic Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:37:32am |
Is this racist? "Guess who’s coming to dinner (in Warsaw)?"
QUOTE Goldfarb also links to a post by leading defence expert Gary Schmitt, who writes:
“Guess who’s coming to dinner (in Warsaw)? Four senior Obama officials, including Under Secretary of State for Arms Control Ellen Tauscher and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security “Sandy” Vershbow, are apparently in the air right now on their way to Poland. Why? If the Washington hot rumor mill is right, to deliver the news to the Poles and then the Czechs that the administration has decided not to go forward with a missile defense system for Europe and the United States against the budding missile threat from Iran.” END QUOTE
He probably wouldn't have said it if Obama was not half black, as there would be no context, but does that give it the evil intent of "racism"?
For those of you too young to know the reference, see "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" [Link: www.imdb.com...] which was a PRO-interracial marriage movie.
Please note: I am not taking a position here -- I am asking for others' opinions. "Community standards” are the crux of much of First Amendment issues, and I am trying to get some handle on the community standard on this particular allusion.
| 836 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:37:44am |
re: #761 Kosh's Shadow
I agree, although I use the commercial version of AVG, a 5-license pack.
And the toolbar is very useful - it caught a virus in a NY Times ad before it caused any problems.
Yea the AVG toolbar comes with the free version now and is very good. Using it with WOT plugin for firefox gives you two ratings on each search results. The AVG result is especially good as it is physically checking the destination site for malicious scripts.
| 837 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:37:57am |
More comments on Cheney from DU today:
[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]
| 838 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:38:35am |
re: #827 Mad Al-Jaffee
Meanwhile, Cheney is in the hospital again, and the local blog commenters sure are caring and supportive:
[Link: dcist.com...]
/
But are you sure?
The Washington Times reported it, after all.
Good luck to VP Cheney. Spinal surgery is pretty serious stuff.
| 839 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:39:15am |
re: #766 Mad Al-Jaffee
I would be happy to email you but I don't seem to be able to get an email address for you from the little profile icon. Can you clue me? Thanks.
| 840 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:39:20am |
re: #830 Leonidas Hoplite
That's the last straw. Now he's Mark Messier?
Guess so.
I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be, this is a war we have to win . . . we cannot lose Afghanistan to a future of narco-terrorism . . . we need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones, in the Afghan border region”
/or maybe his campaign pronouncements were just so much more bull[expletive deleted] spewing out of his yap
| 841 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:39:49am |
re: #834 J.D.
WASHINGTON — Obama: Scrapping Eastern Europe missile shield will strengthen U.S. defenses against missiles.
That's all the AP wrote. Make any sense?
| 842 |
J.S. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:39:49am |
(I read another take on this abandoning of the missile shield business -- it had to do with Netanyahu's visit to Moscow...but it's all speculative...and probably not true.)
| 843 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:40:46am |
Execution of a scumbag set for Nov. 10.
A judge yesterday set a Nov. 10 execution date for John Allen Muhammad, mastermind of the 2002 Washington D.C.-area sniper attacks that killed 10.
It will be appealed.
This guy has already lived a few years too long.
| 845 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:40:48am |
re: #839 Locker
I would be happy to email you but I don't seem to be able to get an email address for you from the little profile icon. Can you clue me? Thanks.
I can't figure out how to change that! I cut and pasted the text of your post and emailed to my home address.
How do I make my name blue?
| 846 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:41:14am |
re: #773 JamesTKirk
You can still get viruses by putting an infected disk into the computer. That's how they spread before the internet. (Some USB devices from China have also been found to contain viruses preloaded direct from the factory.) Was it never connected to or upgraded with anything?
I had those same thoughts JTK. If you just got the computer and haven't really installed a bunch of apps yet or have a bunch of data to save then I'd just blow away the partition, reformat the drive and reinstall the OS. Better to start clean.
| 847 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:42:24am |
re: #841 NJDhockeyfan
That's all the AP wrote. Make any sense?
Yes, it means we could install all the missile defense hardware that would have gone to Europe in the US. Maybe he thinks we'll need the interceptors at home.
Look at what his weakness has done.
| 848 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:42:44am |
re: #831 lawhawk
Happy Molotov Ribbentrop Day!
Cocktails all around. President Obama honored the occasion of the Russian invasion of Poland by ... giving up missile defense for Poland and The Czech Republics.
Russia is allowing the United States to move trains carrying supplies for U.S. forces across the country via Central Asia to Afghanistan, avoiding routes through Pakistan that had come under frequent attack from the Taliban.
| 849 |
nonic Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:42:54am |
Re # 835
Sorry. I meant to give you the link for the article. Here it is: Barack Obama surrenders to Russia on Missile Defence [Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]
| 850 |
Silvergirl Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:43:08am |
re: #826 pingemi
That is true but what I'm interested in knowing is how many signs do my fellow LGF readers consider enough in a 75k crowd to peg it racist.
It's true that at least one Fiskie winner is ready to declare it but I'm not asking him.
Apparently you're looking for an answer from someone other than me. I would still like to say (just because I like to hear the keyboard clicking) that in a crowd of 75k, assessing the numbers of racists is a speculative game.
Compare it to LGF. What happens to racist and other ill-thought comments here? They're not allowed to stand. Why? So the whole of Lizardom will not be seen as endorsing them.
| 851 |
acwgusa Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:43:08am |
re: #834 J.D.
When D.C. goes boom, if any of the Joint Chiefs are left, I hope someone utters the words, "We told you so."
| 852 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:43:32am |
Crazy Pam finally responded to our thread on the Rifqa Barry case.
| 853 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:44:29am |
re: #841 NJDhockeyfan
That's all the AP wrote. Make any sense?
The "explanation" that I read is that because Russia awsa mad about the Poland/Czech proposed sheild (now dropped) they (Russia) will now be more willing to pressure Iran about their nuke program
SO ,,, basically, Obama bowed to Putin thrwoing Poland and Czech under the bus
| 854 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:44:39am |
re: #835 nonic
From Lawhawk's No. 831.
Russia is allowing the United States to move trains carrying supplies for U.S. forces across the country via Central Asia to Afghanistan, avoiding routes through Pakistan that had come under frequent attack from the Taliban.
| 855 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:44:57am |
Speaking of insanity...
New York's Sept 11 museum to display hijacker perspective
NEW YORK (Reuters) – A museum dedicated to the September 11 attacks will display written quotations drawn from "martyrdom" videos made by the hijackers, along with witness testimonials that will be screened to prevent sympathizers from praising the perpetrators, museum officials said on Thursday.
Previous attempts to put into context the motivation of the men who used hijacked passenger planes to attack the United States on September 11, 2001, have been met with emotional public opposition, with politicians canceling plans for an "International Freedom Center" in 2005.
But the president of the National September 11 Memorial & Museum said photographs of the 19 hijackers would be displayed along with the quotes as part of the "witness testimony" in the museum.
| 856 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:45:38am |
re: #841 NJDhockeyfan
That's all the AP wrote. Make any sense?
Maybe they were mostly speechless, too?
| 857 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:46:04am |
re: #855 NJDhockeyfan
I think it's a good idea. It will clearly show their religious justification for the attacks.
| 858 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:46:05am |
re: #843 Kosh's Shadow
Execution of a scumbag set for Nov. 10.
It will be appealed.This guy has already lived a few years too long.
When will the screams of "racism" start?
| 859 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:46:12am |
re: #830 Leonidas Hoplite
That's the last straw. Now he's Mark Messier?
I regret that have only one upding to give for your outstanding Mark Messier reference to the Jersey Series in 94. I had season tickets that year (306 K 9 and 10, next to Sam and JD's booth) and it was one of the highlights of my life so far, being in the garden when they beat Vancouver for the first cup since 1940.
The first and only time I saw cops hugging people and drinking beer on horseback.
| 860 |
nonic Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:46:43am |
re: #854 MandyManners
From Lawhawk's No. 831.
Russia is allowing the United States to move trains carrying supplies for U.S. forces across the country via Central Asia to Afghanistan, avoiding routes through Pakistan that had come under frequent attack from the Taliban.
I'm sorry. I don't understand. What does that have to do with my #835 question?
| 861 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:47:02am |
re: #857 Killgore Trout
I think it's a good idea. It will clearly show their religious justification for the attacks.
We need a museum for that?
| 862 |
acwgusa Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:47:04am |
re: #855 NJDhockeyfan
Speaking of insanity...
I don't give a fuck what the the hijacker perspective was. I find that offensive that we would give a a passing thought beyond pissing on their remains.
| 863 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:47:05am |
re: #842 J.S.
(I read another take on this abandoning of the missile shield business -- it had to do with Netanyahu's visit to Moscow...but it's all speculative...and probably not true.)
interesting...I had forgotten about that visit. I just hope that if there was some sort of deal made, that Russia takes a tough line on Iran.
Obama would be well served to remember the "trust, but verify" advice.
| 864 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:47:12am |
| 865 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:47:20am |
re: #845 Mad Al-Jaffee
I can't figure out how to change that! I cut and pasted the text of your post and emailed to my home address.
How do I make my name blue?
I think a blue name means you have a url link on your profile.
| 866 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:48:12am |
re: #845 Mad Al-Jaffee
I can't figure out how to change that! I cut and pasted the text of your post and emailed to my home address.
How do I make my name blue?
Make its girlfriend leave, run over its dog and steal its pick-up truck.
| 867 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:48:13am |
re: #850 Silvergirl
Updinged for the perspective, but a one-click cleanup is much easier than shouting down an asshole from a group different than yours.
| 868 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:49:08am |
re: #845 Mad Al-Jaffee
I can't figure out how to change that! I cut and pasted the text of your post and emailed to my home address.
How do I make my name blue?
above the box where you type your comments there are two lines/ The top one has an opening for Email. Type in your email addy there, then check the Show Email box to the right of that
Bingo ,,, Instant Blue
| 869 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:49:16am |
re: #860 nonic
I'm sorry. I don't understand. What does that have to do with my #835 question?
I was addressing the missile shield.
| 870 |
Digital Display Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:49:19am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Believe it or not Doonsberry nails the nithers, truthers, and conspiracy theorists et. al. in a biting comic strip.
[Link: www.doonesbury.com...]
| 871 |
acwgusa Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:49:24am |
re: #866 MandyManners
Make its girlfriend leave, run over its dog and steal its pick-up truck.
Then run it backwards, its girlfriend comes back, his dog is a zombie, and he has to repay the insurance company.
| 872 |
FrogMarch Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:49:36am |
re: #864 Oh no...Sand People!
But but...what the hell Harry?! Just raise taxes!
//
Raising taxes, taxes and more taxes is the only way this thing stays "deficit neutral". Even then - Does any government program stay "deficit neutral" for very long?
| 873 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:49:52am |
| 874 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:50:07am |
re: #866 MandyManners
Make its girlfriend leave, run over its dog and steal its pick-up truck.
I was kind of expecting an answer like that.
| 876 |
Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:51:00am |
I may have missed it, but I haven't read anywhere about claims that there were no racists at this event. I have no doubt there were. There were absolutely blatantly racist posters, but half of these pictures are of Birther morons. Is a Birther ass-hat necessarily a racist? You run the risk of desensitizing people to true racism by over playing the race card...like the boy who cried wolf. And in doing so, marginalize a large segment of society with legitimate grievances. This, I fear, is dangerous and could lead to big race problems. One side gets inflamed, the other side gets resentful of the accusations and before you know it there are real race problems created by the misrepresentation of the situation.
And let's not forget all the threats to GWB. Posters of him as Hitler, him in the cross hairs, a movie about killing him etc. This type of lunacy has to stop, but these folks don't own it completely. Personally, I'd like to see some self policing at these events. When the kooks are seen, throw them out or somehow make a scene with them so the world knows that they are not welcome or representative of the vast majority. I saw Charles' post earlier about photos of sign threatening violence that he's going to put up today. I guess I should wait until they are up to comment, but any posters I saw alluding to violence (which I abhor and condemn) are directed at the government in general (congress, senate et al) not at the POTUS. I also know that there are those militia nut jobs that would actually love a violent revolution. They are scary people who need to be squashed somehow, but I truly fear that dismissing the legitimate protesters who love their country and just want to government to stop growing and leave them alone might lead to bad things. You can't just ignore such a loud voice, you don't have to agree with them, but they must be at least listened to.
| 877 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:51:19am |
| 878 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:51:33am |
re: #864 Oh no...Sand People!
But but...what the hell Harry?! Just raise taxes!
//
He can't do that. His state is pissed with him right now. If Harry Reid votes for a tax increase he'll be pitched out on his ear.
| 879 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:52:24am |
re: #857 Killgore Trout
I think it's a good idea. It will clearly show their religious justification for the attacks.
Just ,,,
DAMN!!
Have you ever spoken with a Muslim about this? My freinds who happen to be Muslim are appalled! They beleve it will do more harm than good.
| 881 |
acwgusa Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:52:31am |
re: #878 Dark_Falcon
He can't do that. His state is pissed with him right now. If Harry Reid votes for a tax increase he'll be pitched out on his ear.
I'd pay to watch him bounce.
| 882 |
pingemi Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:52:35am |
re: #850 Silvergirl
I was looking for an actual number, but your points are certainly well taken, and I don't mean to imply that they are not valid.
| 883 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:52:40am |
re: #870 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Believe it or not Doonsberry nails the nithers, truthers, and conspiracy theorists et. al. in a biting comic strip.
[Link: www.doonesbury.com...]
You're right, that is a good one.
| 884 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:53:33am |
| 885 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:53:40am |
re: #877 JamesTKirk
I typed a very funny, pointed and insightful post which was going to shoot my reputation and karma into the stratosphere... but my computer ate it and it will never be the same.
//
| 886 |
acwgusa Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:54:27am |
| 887 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:54:43am |
re: #853 sattv4u2
The "explanation" that I read is that because Russia awsa mad about the Poland/Czech proposed sheild (now dropped) they (Russia) will now be more willing to pressure Iran about their nuke program
SO ,,, basically, Obama bowed to Putin thrwoing Poland and Czech under the bus
And given how much "pressure" Russia will actually exert on Iran, Israel is also under the bus, but I guess it was there already.
| 888 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:55:10am |
re: #881 acwgusa
I'd pay to watch him bounce.
You won't have to. Foxnews and CNN will air his concession speech live next November.
| 889 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:55:21am |
re: #884 MandyManners
A deer, a female deer.
in bed
(hey ,,, I live in the south ,, in the country ,, it happenes!)
| 891 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:55:29am |
| 892 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:55:32am |
re: #855 NJDhockeyfan
Speaking of insanity...
That's like asking the person that killed your child who was innocently carrying on living his own life the day he was murdered "Why?".
| 893 |
Coracle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:55:34am |
Morning all,
August global ocean temps were highest on record. This summer (June-August) was the warmest on record for both the global oceans, and as the Southern Hemisphere as a whole.
If El Nino holds, 2010 set to be plenty warm as well.
| 895 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:57:50am |
OK, who's posting the bad links? Seems like an older member.
| 896 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:57:58am |
OT:
Bronx Synagogue bomb plotters due back in court today. They were also alleged to have plotted to down aircraft flying into/out of Stewart Int'l Airport (which is adjacent to Stewart AFB).
| 897 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:58:14am |
re: #890 RIP Ford
Karma: 0
RIP Ford
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 1:09 pm
No. of comments posted: 5,239
No. of links posted: 0
5k posts and his Karma is exactly zero on the day he flounces...I don't know what that says, but what are the odds.
| 898 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:58:39am |
I just got a call from the hotel in Ocean City where I made a reservation for next weekend. I booked two nights and they told me there's a 4 night minimum. I had to cancel the reservation. Bastards!
| 899 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:58:55am |
re: #897 Charpete67
5k posts and his Karma is exactly zero on the day he flounces...I don't know what that says, but what are the odds.
I think that means that this person last posted before the karma system was implemented.
| 900 |
Digital Display Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:59:16am |
re: #885 Spenser (with an S)
I typed a very funny, pointed and insightful post which was going to shoot my reputation and karma into the stratosphere... but my computer ate it and it will never be the same.
//
I finally figured out the Math to TOE ( theory of everything) but my dog ate it..It was an eloquent solution that tied all the forces of nature together in one formula..
Of course Hawkings has been sending death threat to my dog's email account.
/
| 901 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:59:29am |
re: #896 lawhawk
OT:
Bronx Synagogue bomb plotters due back in court today. They were also alleged to have plotted to down aircraft flying into/out of Stewart Int'l Airport (which is adjacent to Stewart AFB).
That was entrapment! They had no intention of commiting terrorist acts until the FBI coerced them to!
I would post a sarc tag, but I've seen comments like that on DU.
| 902 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:59:32am |
Are their any stats available on LGF self-immolations?
| 903 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:59:33am |
re: #897 Charpete67
Karma: 0
RIP Ford
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 1:09 pm
No. of comments posted: 5,239
No. of links posted: 05k posts and his Karma is exactly zero on the day he flounces...I don't know what that says, but what are the odds.
My guess is he hasn't posted since karma was implemented.
| 904 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:59:48am |
re: #898 Mad Al-Jaffee
I just got a call from the hotel in Ocean City where I made a reservation for next weekend. I booked two nights and they told me there's a 4 night minimum. I had to cancel the reservation. Bastards!
They didn't tell you this at the time you made the reservation?
Is this one of the hotels on the boardwalk?
| 905 |
MJ Thu, Sep 17, 2009 7:59:54am |
re: #823 Charpete67
we are now the same stature as Europe
Hell, the Europeans are much tougher on Iran nowadays than the Obama Administration:
Why Europe wants stiffer sanctions on Iran
Germany, France, and UK are ready to impose oil and gas sanctions on Iran to stave off military strikes. But Oct. 1 talks about Iran's nuclear program will likely delay any moves.
Paris - Europe's strong advocacy for more sanctions on Iran – led by France, Germany, and Britain – will now wait for the Oct. 1 talks between Washington and Tehran to play out, analysts here say.
Europe's leaders have talked an increasingly tough line on Iran sanctions, including cutting off imports of oil and gasoline, should Iran not satisfy nuclear demands by the United Nations (UN) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) by the end of September. That deadline is now trumped by the Oct. 1 talks. ...
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
The weakness of the Obama Administration is making it more likely that Israel will attack Iran.
| 906 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:00:12am |
re: #897 Charpete67
He's one of the old timers who used to post well before karma scores began.. June 2004 was when registration started. Many of the old timers have a registration date of June 15, which was the first day registration was required to post.
| 907 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:00:49am |
re: #893 Coracle
If El Nino holds, 2010 set to be plenty warm as well.
God, I hope so. I love the Baby Jesus winters here in MI. It keeps the heating costs lower and that helps the poor and the children.
no sarc
| 908 |
Rosewater Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:00:52am |
A few out of a hundreds of thousands. Seems rather minor to me.
| 909 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:00:57am |
re: #904 JamesTKirk
They didn't tell you this at the time you made the reservation?
Is this one of the hotels on the boardwalk?
No, they didn't. I think it's right by the boardwalk. It's the one associated with M.R. Ducks.
| 910 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:01:00am |
re: #905 MJ
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
The weakness of the Obama Administration is making it more likely that Israel will attack Iran.
Quite Concur.
| 911 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:01:11am |
re: #899 JamesTKirk
I think that means that this person last posted before the karma system was implemented.
...thanks for bursting my balloon...
so, he waited how many years to flounce?...that is one serious sleeper sock.
| 912 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:01:28am |
re: #898 Mad Al-Jaffee
I just got a call from the hotel in Ocean City where I made a reservation for next weekend. I booked two nights and they told me there's a 4 night minimum. I had to cancel the reservation. Bastards!
The person that took your original call didn't know their own policy?
I've had similar things happen and in that it was their fault they always accomodated me
| 913 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:02:13am |
re: #907 Spenser (with an S)
God, I hope so. I love the Baby Jesus winters here in MI. It keeps the heating costs lower and that helps the poor and the children.
no sarc
I hate El Nino. It messes with a lot of people, and the hot summer is absolute misery. I prefer cooler weather.
| 914 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:02:17am |
re: #909 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, they didn't. I think it's right by the boardwalk. It's the one associated with M.R. Ducks.
I haven't been to OC in several years. I used to borrow a friend's relative's condo on the waterfront. But if I stayed in a hotel, it was a little further back (and a lot cheaper).
| 915 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:02:28am |
re: #912 sattv4u2
The person that took your original call didn't know their own policy?
Apparently she didn't. I can probably make another reservation, but it will be more expensive.
| 916 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:02:48am |
| 917 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:03:00am |
| 918 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:03:32am |
re: #911 Charpete67
...thanks for bursting my balloon...
so, he waited how many years to flounce?...that is one serious sleeper sock.
He hasn't been banned. He might have just posted a bad link.
| 919 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:04:09am |
re: #914 JamesTKirk
I haven't been to OC in several years. I used to borrow a friend's relative's condo on the waterfront. But if I stayed in a hotel, it was a little further back (and a lot cheaper).
The last 3-4 times I've been to OC I stayed at a friend's condo. Me and this friend aren't on very good terms now, so I can't stay there. I could drive to OC that morning, play the gig in the early evening and drive home. Since I have to take a Friday off I want to stay at least a couple of days.
| 920 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:04:37am |
FYI -
The missile defense shield that we were going to deploy in Europe was going to protect Europe. Not the US. We still have working parts for a continental defense.
The problem with scrapping defense of Europe to make nice nice with Russia is that it handsomely rewards Russia for the following behavior (and reinforces it) :
Russia consistently cultivates relationships with rogues. They do this knowing that western democracies will try to use Russia as a conduit for modifying the behavior of rogues. Russia itself maintains a quasi-rogue status which allows it a free hand in things like de-democratising Georgia and Ukraine after having disassembled its own democracy in favor of strong man rule. So Russia has every incentive to aid and encourage "out of line" behavior among its "friends" while always keeping some semblance of hope for stability and normalcy if only Russia is "brought in" to make things work.
They learned to do this in the Middle East in the Cold War and now it is the entire basis of their foreign policy and much of its domestic policy (like using gas pipelines to extort political change in satellite nations and Europe itself).
Obama just paid off Russia, and neither Iran nor Russia will make any substantive changes - they will just act better behaved for a short while and then start in again on the rogue activities along with new grievances to be addressed. As will Hugo Chavez. As will North Korea. As will Syria. As will the PA.
Nothing new here except a new administration that has to go through its own "pooty poo" embarrassments before they realize they have been had.
| 921 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:05:19am |
re: #915 Mad Al-Jaffee
Apparently she didn't. I can probably make another reservation, but it will be more expensive.
Do you have a confirmation? If so, I'd call them back, tell them to honor the reservation, or you'll sue for the difference between their price and the accommodations you get. You don't have to sue, but it might make the manager honor the original deal.
However, the problem might be they didn't expect to be full those days, and figured 2 days is better than 0, and now they have more customers and want the room used more days.
| 922 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:05:26am |
re: #915 Mad Al-Jaffee
Apparently she didn't. I can probably make another reservation, but it will be more expensive.
Call that hotel back and demand to speak with THE manager. Explain that they took and confirmed your reservation (and I'm sure charged your credit card) and now at the last minute called to cancel so your stuck. Tell them they should either honor the original or find you something suitable at the agreed price (hotels will calll other hotels if they screw up)
| 923 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:05:47am |
re: #918 Dark_Falcon
He hasn't been banned. He might have just posted a bad link.
He might not have been banned, but I saw his comment before it was deleted. It was not a bad link, it was basically another "FU Charles" comment (and not the first one on this thread either). Also not the first one to contain a reference to Andrew Sullivan, which makes one wonder if these socks are sharing talking points.
| 924 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:06:17am |
re: #918 Dark_Falcon
He hasn't been banned. He might have just posted a bad link.
I thought since he said Charles had lost his marbles and that he could go ahead and delete his account...that would be a flounce.
| 925 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:06:25am |
Re: nonic's link
Barack Obama surrenders to Russia on Missile Defence
This is bad news for all who care about the US commitment to the transatlantic alliance and the defence of Europe as well as the United States. It represents the appalling appeasement of Russian aggression and a willingness to sacrifice American allies on the altar of political expediency. A deal with the Russians to cancel missile defence installations sends a clear message that even Washington can be intimidated by the Russian bear.What signal does this send to Ukraine, Georgia and a host of other former Soviet satellites who look to America and NATO for protection from their powerful neighbour? The impending cancellation of Third Site is a shameful abandonment of America’s friends in eastern and central Europe, and a slap in the face for those who actually believed a key agreement with Washington was worth the paper it was written on.
Our credibility takes yet another hit.
| 926 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:06:58am |
re: #921 Kosh's Shadow
No, they didn't give me a confirmation or reservation number. I'll check on other hotels. My step-sister found one pretty easily a couple of weeks ago, and I think she made a reservation days in advance.
| 927 |
badger1970 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:07:21am |
re: #769 avanti
Ok, I guess it's better to bribe Arab nations than to protect our interests in Europe. When we go isolationists, things turn out bad, very bad. Russia lost the Cold War and hasn't forgotten.
| 928 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:07:42am |
Both Crazy Pam and Robert are praising RS McCain this morning. No surprise there.
| 929 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:07:48am |
re: #926 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, they didn't give me a confirmation or reservation number. I'll check on other hotels. My step-sister found one pretty easily a couple of weeks ago, and I think she made a reservation days in advance.
Always get a confirmation number.
| 930 |
cronus Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:08:18am |
Morning Lizards. New poll out from Gallup:
Obama Gets Highest Approval on Iraq, Lowest on Deficit
"The president's current 38% approval on handling the deficit, and the accompanying 58% disapproval, is thus his worst rating to date on the issue, and the most negative reading on any of the seven issues tested in this survey."
| 931 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:08:51am |
re: #928 Killgore Trout
Both Crazy Pam and Robert are praising RS McCain this morning. No surprise there.
A mutual admiration society akin to the tripartite pact.
| 932 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:09:02am |
re: #920 karmic_inquisitor
Well, Obama was talking about deploying a mobile system. That might actually be a good idea, if it could be made to work. The problem with a mobile system is that given those systems needs for maintenance and also to appease Russia, they'd likely be based in Germany. They also may not prove very mobile in peacetime, as attempts to move them will likely provoke protests by various hostile euro-lefties.
| 933 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:10:00am |
re: #931 karmic_inquisitor
A mutual admiration society akin to the tripartite pact.
Dennis Miller? Is that you?
///
| 934 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:10:52am |
re: #928 Killgore Trout
Both Crazy Pam and Robert are praising RS McCain this morning. No surprise there.
Shitbirds of a feather crap together. Put 'em all in a pot and boil the crazy out of them.
/kidding
| 935 |
Middle-Earth Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:11:36am |
| 936 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:11:44am |
| 937 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:12:04am |
re: #753 NJDhockeyfan
Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan.
/OMG...most doctors are RACIST!
You realize that this same company surveyed and had McCain winning the Youth Vote 74 - 22 over Obama. Any poll that is THAT wrong on something cannot be trusted and any polls they perform should be ignored unless another pollster comes up with similar figures.
fivethirtyeight.com has a whole litany of issues listed for the poll quoted above.
| 938 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:12:15am |
re: #932 Dark_Falcon
Well, Obama was talking about deploying a mobile system. That might actually be a good idea, if it could be made to work. The problem with a mobile system is that given those systems needs for maintenance and also to appease Russia, they'd likely be based in Germany. They also may not prove very mobile in peacetime, as attempts to move them will likely provoke protests by various hostile euro-lefties.
That was the MX theory, which Reagan used effectively.
Mobile launch systems suffer from having long logistical chains that can be disrupted easily if the area they travel through is not fully secure or industrialized. So I agree that such a system would rarely leave German soil.
| 940 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:13:14am |
Speaking of racism...
What Would Jimmy Carter Make of Eric Holder? [Andy McCarthy]
[W]e stumbled over a story from 1996 that tends to confirm this interpretation of Mr. Holder's approach [i.e., the interpretation, that in Holder's DOJ, top officials "openly and proudly advocate for a different standard" for the treatment of black citizens than for white citizens.] Oddly enough, the story concerned a case in which one of Mr. Holder's chief critics was Malik Zulu Shabazz, one of the Black Panther defendants for whom the more recent charges were dropped. The case involved an assault on a white Washington Times reporter by a charter-school principal who is black. Back then, Mr. Shabazz accused Mr. Holder, who is black, of a sort of racial treason for prosecuting the black principal. "We are headed for a political, cultural and economic race war in the city of Washington," Mr. Shabazz warned in reaction to the incident.Mr. Holder told The Washington Post in 1996 that his answer was to pull out a paper he always carries in his wallet, containing a quote he admires that says a black man's "race defines him more particularly than anything else. Black people have a common cause that requires attending to." In case that is not disconcerting enough in its own right, Mr. Holder elaborated: "It really says that ... I am not the tall U.S. Attorney, I am not the thin U.S. Attorney. I am the black U.S. Attorney... There's a common cause that bonds the black U.S. Attorney with the black criminal or the black doctor with the black homeless person."
Damn.
| 941 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:13:46am |
re: #939 lawhawk
OT:
British Labor Unions okay boycott of Israeli goods following UN report.
Fuck them, where's that Zionist Store link?
| 942 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:14:17am |
re: #939 lawhawk
OT:
British Labor Unions okay boycott of Israeli goods following UN report.
I OK a boycott of everything from Britainistan.
| 943 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:14:46am |
| 944 |
scalleywag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:15:25am |
Totally insane. I'm not sure what good it does to keep calling attention to these people though. It's almost like telling the left, you know what? You're right. Here, look at this picture, look at that. Of course there are racists in America, but they belong to both parties. These people are the exception, not the rule, and publishing photos like this just fuels the racist mongering.
| 946 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:15:47am |
| 947 |
Guy_Montag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:15:56am |
I've recently been under a rock, with a very large bottle of Hennessy. Now that the bottle is empty, I'm heading out to my local package store. Would someone be kind enough to post a list of links to the sites we can no longer link to?
Thanks.
| 948 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:16:54am |
I think I've missed something --
has anyone seen realwest?
| 949 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:17:05am |
re: #938 karmic_inquisitor
That was the MX theory, which Reagan used effectively.
Mobile launch systems suffer from having long logistical chains that can be disrupted easily if the area they travel through is not fully secure or industrialized. So I agree that such a system would rarely leave German soil.
Or disrupted by terrorist strikes. A convoy does not have a base's security and moving through non-hostile territory full of western civilians it would not be able to maintain the level of protection seen in convoys in Iraq. A truck bomb attack could disable the entire system.
| 950 |
Coracle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:17:10am |
re: #913 Dark_Falcon
I hate El Nino. It messes with a lot of people, and the hot summer is absolute misery. I prefer cooler weather.
re: #920 karmic_inquisitor
I don't know if I agree with that. Back when I looked into it a couple years ago, the missile shield wasn't on track to being effective effective from a practical standpoint at the time of its deployment. Getting rid of a system that has no real promise of working is a prudent move.
| 951 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:17:17am |
re: #947 Guy_Montag
Would someone be kind enough to post a list of links to the sites we can no longer link to?
"It's a TRAP!"
| 952 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:17:26am |
| 953 |
What, me worry? Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:18:52am |
re: #944 scalleywag
Did you complain when Charles was posting the crazy leftwing pictures at zombietime? All of a sudden the right wants to turn a blind eye. Why is that?
Maybe it's the rise of anti-Semitism through the last 10 years that's given these people the balls to show their Black racist agenda. Being a racist is all the rage these days I guess.
| 954 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:19:12am |
re: #946 JamesTKirk
I sent them an email explaining the situation and asking their manager to get in touch with me. I can threaten going to the Better Business Bureau, but I don't think that will do much.
I'm sure I can find another room, but I'll be paying more.
The hotel that screwed me over, btw is the Talbot Inn. Don't stay there!
| 955 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:19:38am |
| 956 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:20:00am |
re: #944 scalleywag
Totally insane. I'm not sure what good it does to keep calling attention to these people though. It's almost like telling the left, you know what? You're right. Here, look at this picture, look at that. Of course there are racists in America, but they belong to both parties. These people are the exception, not the rule, and publishing photos like this just fuels the racist mongering.
I think most of us, well me anyway, are shocked that this level of stupid still exists. It is a big wake-up call.
| 957 |
Guy_Montag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:20:08am |
re: #951 JamesTKirk
I swear upon the funerary vessel of Glarth, that's it's not a trap.
Would you help an old man please, by posting a set of links?
| 958 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:20:10am |
re: #954 Mad Al-Jaffee
I sent them an email explaining the situation and asking their manager to get in touch with me. I can threaten going to the Better Business Bureau, but I don't think that will do much.
I'm sure I can find another room, but I'll be paying more.
The hotel that screwed me over, btw is the Talbot Inn. Don't stay there!
Good luck.
| 959 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:21:47am |
re: #954 Mad Al-Jaffee
I sent them an email explaining the situation and asking their manager to get in touch with me. I can threaten going to the Better Business Bureau,
Save your time and effort.
Trust me on this.
| 960 |
Digital Display Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:21:56am |
re: #948 ggt
I think I've missed something --
has anyone seen realwest?
Yes.. His new meds are messing with him..He is always sleepy..
He'll be back when he adjusts
| 961 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:22:03am |
re: #950 Coracle
re: #920 karmic_inquisitor
I don't know if I agree with that. Back when I looked into it a couple years ago, the missile shield wasn't on track to being effective effective from a practical standpoint at the time of its deployment. Getting rid of a system that has no real promise of working is a prudent move.
The shorter range defensive system has been working quite well now.
With new technology, you cannot go by info a few years old.
Remember, the early aircraft were quite unreliable, and killed more pilots in training than in combat.
| 962 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:22:18am |
re: #957 Guy_Montag
I swear upon the funerary vessel of Glarth, that's it's not a trap.
Would you help an old man please, by posting a set of links?
Here's your set, Calamari...
[launches wing of TIE Interceptors]
| 964 |
Coracle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:23:40am |
re: #961 Kosh's Shadow
The shorter range defensive system has been working quite well now.
With new technology, you cannot go by info a few years old.
Remember, the early aircraft were quite unreliable, and killed more pilots in training than in combat.
Do you know of any assessments in the last two years I can look up? I'm searching now, but the current headlines are crowning the output.
| 966 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:24:37am |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
Stalkers. Threats.
No need to contact, here's the post."113. Bob in Breckenridge on 16 September, 2009 at 10:06 pm reply I just got an email from someone whom shall remain anonymous.
BUT, it said who that loser Gus802 from Nancy’s cesspool, who outed me last week, possibly was and where he lived. Even listed a phone number.
And sounds extremely plausible.
And naturally, he’s in the bluest of blue states, whose loser citizens include such reprobates as Leahy, Sanders, Dean, etc.,, not to mention Gus, but I won’t tell you which state.
But rest assured, Gus will be getting an “enquiring minds want to know” phone call later today.
Yes, report it to Blue Host if you have not already. This is the type of shit those assholes have done to Irish Rose over and over again. Now they're moving their sick and twisted fixation to Gus.
BTW, Rose has a new post up. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
LGF2.0/Blogmocracy.com goes down in flames
Notorious hate site Little Green Footballs 2 – aka LGF2/ 2.0 blogmocracy/Deuce – has been shut down by their server twice within the last three days for violating their TOS… specifically, regarding their content that violates the privacy of others.
BH has locked their accounts, and they are barred from using either of their registered domains elsewhere. They’re moving on to another host and another domain, of course – but they’re being forced to come up with a new site name (a .net, more than likely) and new content.
They’re in the process of learning a very hard lesson: Blue Host does not look kindly upon stalker sites that publish the full names and physical locations of people that they don’t like.
Too bad, so sad.
Exactly, too bad, so sad. But, hey, that's what you get when you spread hate, lies, and threats.
| 967 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:24:41am |
re: #961 Kosh's Shadow
The shorter range defensive system has been working quite well now.
With new technology, you cannot go by info a few years old.
Remember, the early aircraft were quite unreliable, and killed more pilots in training than in combat.
If there still using the patriot for any part of the shield I'd run and hide. Wouldn't trust a patriot to guard my lunch box.
| 968 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:24:59am |
re: #961 Kosh's Shadow
The shorter range defensive system has been working quite well now.
With new technology, you cannot go by info a few years old.
Remember, the early aircraft were quite unreliable, and killed more pilots in training than in combat.
The problem is that the lighter, mobile system is much more vulnerable. It could be attacked and disabled by commandos or terrorists prior to a missile attack. Bigger ABMs in hardened silos are much less vulnerable to sneak attack.
| 969 |
Locker Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:27:09am |
re: #955 Locker
Sent.
If it doesn't go through I'll send it later from home. Using my ISP web mail and it's being flaky today.
| 970 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:27:14am |
re: #966 Honorary Yooper
They're still up today. They're not talking about LGF though. Mostly, they're talking about the same Obama screw-up we're talking about. It's a worthy topic.
| 971 |
Guy_Montag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:27:39am |
Seriously, I woke up this morning, and the bottle of Hennessy was empty. Now that I must leave the house, I thought I'd take a gander at the Blog-o-Sphere -- I missed the whole thing. I have a feeling, my Jedi sense, that the effort required to track down every bat-swing is going to seriously cut into my "drinking time". Does anyone have a Cliff Notes link that summarizes the entire bloody affair? Preferably a banned link -- I live on the edge.
| 972 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:27:45am |
re: #960 HoosierHoops
Yes.. His new meds are messing with him..He is always sleepy..
He'll be back when he adjusts
thanks!
| 973 |
What, me worry? Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:28:20am |
re: #966 Honorary Yooper
Woot! Now there's a bit of good news for the day!
| 974 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:28:30am |
re: #970 Dark_Falcon
They're still up today. They're not talking about LGF though. Mostly, they're talking about the same Obama screw-up we're talking about. It's a worthy topic.
They may have been told to cool it on the LGF hate.
| 975 |
scalleywag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:28:39am |
re: #956 ggt
Shocked and disgusted. I am just of the opinion that these people deserve no attention. None. Publishing photos of them and their vulgar little (often misspelled) signs doesn't shame them, they have no shame or they wouldn't be out there in the first place. I'm ashamed that people would do things like that in my country.
| 976 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:28:42am |
Stalker sites are stalking IRL, not just thru the interwebs?
Creepy!!!
| 977 |
Ben Hur Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29:02am |
Anything anywhere on Yemen killing 80 men, women and children in the US MSM?
There are gruesome pics out there.
| 978 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29:16am |
re: #971 Guy_Montag
Seriously, I woke up this morning, and the bottle of Hennessy was empty. Now that I must leave the house, I thought I'd take a gander at the Blog-o-Sphere -- I missed the whole thing. I have a feeling, my Jedi sense, that the effort required to track down every bat-swing is going to seriously cut into my "drinking time". Does anyone have a Cliff Notes link that summarizes the entire bloody affair? Preferably a banned link -- I live on the edge.
I suggest Basil Hayden.
| 979 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29:32am |
re: #977 Ben Hur
Anything anywhere on Yemen killing 80 men, women and children in the US MSM?
There are gruesome pics out there.
I've heard nothing. Got a link?
| 980 |
What, me worry? Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29:56am |
re: #975 scalleywag
Shocked and disgusted. I am just of the opinion that these people deserve no attention. None. Publishing photos of them and their vulgar little (often misspelled) signs doesn't shame them, they have no shame or they wouldn't be out there in the first place. I'm ashamed that people would do things like that in my country.
Ashamed really? But we shouldn't publicize it, just ignore it then.
| 981 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:30:08am |
re: #977 Ben Hur
Anything anywhere on Yemen killing 80 men, women and children in the US MSM?
There are gruesome pics out there.
Huh?
| 983 |
What, me worry? Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:31:08am |
re: #970 Dark_Falcon
They're still up today. They're not talking about LGF though. Mostly, they're talking about the same Obama screw-up we're talking about. It's a worthy topic.
Oh dang. Now I'm bummed again!
| 985 |
Coracle Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:31:23am |
Here's what I found from July, when the decision was still on its way.
They wee considering alternatives, including possibly Naval Standard missiles, which I do now are pretty well tested. That report also talked about partnership with Russia in missile defense from the US Missile Defense Agency chief.
| 986 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:31:39am |
re: #974 Honorary Yooper
They may have been told to cool it on the LGF hate.
I'm going to be generous and say they're focusing on a real world issue. And it is an irritating issue, indeed. CBBHO strikes again.
| 987 |
J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:32:24am |
re: #977 Ben Hur
Anything anywhere on Yemen killing 80 men, women and children in the US MSM?
There are gruesome pics out there.
Lots of links...
[Link: news.google.com...]
and then there's this...
YEMEN: Outrage over death of 12-year-old child bride aimed at government [Updated]
| 988 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:32:34am |
More than 80 civilians were killed in an air raid which blasted a makeshift camp of displaced people in northern Yemen, witnesses said on Thursday, as the army pursued its offensive on Shiite rebels.
One witness, reached by telephone, told AFP that most of those killed in Wednesday's raid were women and children.
The attack was carried out by a "warplane (that) targeted displaced families who had gathered under trees in the area of Adi," in Amran province -- scene of heavy fighting between the army and the rebels, the witness said, asking not to be identified.
SNIP
[Link: www.ndtv.com...]
| 989 |
Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:33:10am |
Analysis: what will Obama get back from Russia after ditching missile defence?
In case anyone was wondering what the sound of a fist unclenching is...
The Kremlin can barely believe its good fortune. Mr Obama has pressed the “reset” button to improve relations without obtaining anything more than permission for US aircraft to cross Russian airspace on resupply operations for troops in Afghanistan.
But the big question remains over what to do about Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Russia has shown no inclination to budge on its refusal to support further sanctions against Tehran, nor has it cancelled a contract to sell S-300 air-defence missiles to the Islamic republic.
A senior Israeli MP, Zeev Elkin, warned in an interview with Russia’s Kommersant today that Jerusalem could be forced into a pre-emptive military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities if there was any sign that the Kremlin was about to sanction delivery of S-300s.
Moscow may become more intransigent, arguing that Washington itself no longer takes the threat as seriously as it did by cancelling the missile-defence shield. Any such argument would only harden Israel’s determination to act.
For Mr Putin, the lesson of today’s decision is clear. Intransigence pays dividends because the US and the European Union lack the patience or determination to face Moscow down. That is a lesson that send alarm bells ringing in the corridors of power of Russia’s former Soviet dominions.
| 990 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:34:06am |
re: #977 Ben Hur
Anything anywhere on Yemen killing 80 men, women and children in the US MSM?
There are gruesome pics out there.
Nope. This is the first I've heard of it.
| 991 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:34:22am |
re: #964 Coracle
Do you know of any assessments in the last two years I can look up? I'm searching now, but the current headlines are crowning the output.
I can't find the specific tests mentioned, but this article says
Raytheon’s ship-based SM-3 Block IA has been universally hailed by Pentagon officials as a success because of recent test-intercepts and the impromptu use of the three-stage missile to destroy a wayward intelligence satellite in February 2008.
Here's on on the THAAD - terminal area defense, which had a quite impressive success - the first interceptor hit the target, and the second hit the largest piece of debris from the explosion.
“Actually, what happened on the flight test was that the first interceptor hit just as it was supposed to and the second interceptor looked at all of this debris and said, ‘OK, I’ve got another something that looks interesting,’ picked out another threat, and went out and killed it,” says Tom McGrath, Thaad vice president for prime contractor Lockheed Martin. “The second intercept hit another piece of hardware. We can’t talk about what that was, but it picked out what logically you would expect it to pick out and killed it.”
And the airborne anti-missile laser is undergoing ground tests while on the aircraft.
| 992 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:34:25am |
re: #982 lawhawk
[Link: www.google.com...]
[Link: news.google.com...]
That's a crime against humanity!
Or, at least, it would be if it were Israel instead of anybody else.
| 993 |
rbruning Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:34:29am |
What do nationality (real or not) and religious references (look at photo #2 and #3) by themselves have to do with racial intolerance unless one is assuming or extrapolating a racial attack? Look at a vanilla leftist rally and you don't have to squint or cherry pick to find intolerance.
| 995 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:35:18am |
re: #987 J.D.
Lots of links...
[Link: news.google.com...] org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn&q=yemenand then there's this...
YEMEN: Outrage over death of 12-year-old child bride aimed at government [Updated]
Fucking barbarians.
| 996 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:36:41am |
re: #989 Leonidas Hoplite
Analysis: what will Obama get back from Russia after ditching missile defence?
In case anyone was wondering what the sound of a fist unclenching is...
From Lawhawk's No. 831.
Russia is allowing the United States to move trains carrying supplies for U.S. forces across the country via Central Asia to Afghanistan, avoiding routes through Pakistan that had come under frequent attack from the Taliban.
| 997 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:36:44am |
re: #967 Locker
If there still using the patriot for any part of the shield I'd run and hide. Wouldn't trust a patriot to guard my lunch box.
Most of the success has been with the SM-3 and THAAD; see my other post.
| 998 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:37:19am |
re: #944 scalleywag
Totally insane. I'm not sure what good it does to keep calling attention to these people though. It's almost like telling the left, you know what? You're right. Here, look at this picture, look at that. Of course there are racists in America, but they belong to both parties. These people are the exception, not the rule, and publishing photos like this just fuels the racist mongering.
Racism lingers when not confronted. Ignoring racists gives them tacit approval to continue. That you're worried more about how the left can use the fact that these movements are infused with racists, bigots, and violence mongering assholes, than the actual fact that there are a number of racists, bigots and violence mongering assholes, is troubling to me.
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J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:37:31am |
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:37:34am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:37:50am |
re: #987 J.D.
Lots of links...
[Link: news.google.com...] org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn&q=yemenand then there's this...
YEMEN: Outrage over death of 12-year-old child bride aimed at government [Updated]
This outrage is a good thing --right?
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:37:53am |
re: #995 MandyManners
Fucking barbarians.
I detect a dangerous level of un-understanding in this comment.
///
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Digital Display Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:39:10am |
RIP Myles Brand..The loss to his family, friends and the NCAA will be felt for along time.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:39:14am |
re: #996 MandyManners
Hey Mandy. I just noticed that our karma ratings are pretty similar... both in the 40's if you look at %'s.
/not sure what that says about me
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J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:39:17am |
re: #1001 ggt
This outrage is a good thing --right?
I'm not sure outrage gets you much of anywhere but at least it's worth a try.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:39:30am |
re: #1001 ggt
This outrage is a good thing --right?
If it leads to change improvements:
Mounting outrage following the death of 12-year-old Fawziya Abdullah Youssef, who died giving birth to her stillborn child, is renewing pressure on Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh to ratify a law passed in parliament that would make 17 the minimum marriage age.
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avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:40:02am |
Obama's statement on the new DOD plan for missile defense.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:40:31am |
re: #1005 J.D.
I'm not sure outrage gets you much of anywhere but at least it's worth a try.
Political outrage is a start. Especially if it originates-or is taken seriously- in country
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:41:10am |
re: #996 MandyManners
From Lawhawk's No. 831.
Russia is allowing the United States to move trains carrying supplies for U.S. forces across the country via Central Asia to Afghanistan, avoiding routes through Pakistan that had come under frequent attack from the Taliban.
Yes I saw that. Nice of 'em. Wonder how long it will last.
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Guy_Montag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:42:04am |
re: #978 MandyManners
I suggest Basil Hayden.
I can't afford the "good stuff" since the crash. The way things are going, I'll be on the Mad Dog soon.
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Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:42:18am |
re: #989 Leonidas Hoplite
Analysis: what will Obama get back from Russia after ditching missile defence?
In case anyone was wondering what the sound of a fist unclenching is...
Lovely, I wonder how long it will take the world to miss the old US? You know, the tough, unilateral, cowboy country that kept the world safe.
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scalleywag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:42:27am |
re: #980 marjoriemoon
Well, they certainly haven't been ignored, they've been the focus on all kinds of blog sites. I just think people who do these things are 1)total morons, and 2)they do it to stand out and get attention. They don't carry signs like that to the grocery store or to their place of employment. They carry them to events with large crowds and media in attendance. So maybe, just maybe if we paid them no mind, they'd go back under the rock they slithered out from. I could be wrong, that's just what I think. I don't think Kayne deserves any attention for what he did, either. It was despicable. Why should he be invited on shows like Letterman? Why do we give people like this the time of day?
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J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:43:17am |
re: #1006 JamesTKirk
If it leads to
changeimprovements:Mounting outrage following the death of 12-year-old Fawziya Abdullah Youssef, who died giving birth to her stillborn child, is renewing pressure on Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh to ratify a law passed in parliament that would make 17 the minimum marriage age.
So you can also dread the 5 years between 12 and 17.
A no-win situation there.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:43:49am |
re: #994 J.D.
Nothing in Getty Images as yet showing images from the bombing of the camp.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:43:50am |
Blatant racism over at Hot Air...
Michelle Obama to start pushing ObamaCare. What could go wrong?
WookieCare!
...
No sh*t Sherlock. Like husband like wife. So we get the angry wookie version of Barry’s speech.
...
Let the wookie, win?
...
LOL!Oprah was booked?
There is something about the wookie jokes that makes me cringe… but I cannot help but laugh!
...WookieCare!farright on September 17, 2009 at 10:38 AM
That’s wrong…Funny, but wrong.
...
But how does bringing out the toned wook wook benefit machelle’s kids??
...and conservatives wonder why they're labeled racists.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:44:41am |
re: #1013 scalleywag
Well, they certainly haven't been ignored, they've been the focus on all kinds of blog sites. I just think people who do these things are 1)total morons, and 2)they do it to stand out and get attention. They don't carry signs like that to the grocery store or to their place of employment. They carry them to events with large crowds and media in attendance. So maybe, just maybe if we paid them no mind, they'd go back under the rock they slithered out from. I could be wrong, that's just what I think. I don't think Kayne deserves any attention for what he did, either. It was despicable. Why should he be invited on shows like Letterman? Why do we give people like this the time of day?
Kanye's behavior had nothing to do with the color of his skin but the content of his character.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:45:00am |
re: #1016 Killgore Trout
They really need to start banning some of those jackasses over at Hot Air. They won't, but they need to.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:45:51am |
re: #1015 lawhawk
Nothing in Getty Images as yet showing images from the bombing of the camp.
No. 994.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:45:54am |
re: #1010 saylorfam
Are we talking NJ or MD??
Ocean City, MD. I don't think there's an Ocean City in NJ; the big seaside tourist destination there is Atlantic City.
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J.D. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:45:55am |
re: #1015 lawhawk
Nothing in Getty Images as yet showing images from the bombing of the camp.
Thanks for checking, though.
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:46:29am |
re: #1016 Killgore Trout
Blatant racism over at Hot Air...
Michelle Obama to start pushing ObamaCare. What could go wrong?
...and conservatives wonder why they're labeled racists.
*facepalm*
Have I ever mentioned I didn't want to win any elections anyway...
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:46:35am |
re: #1011 Guy_Montag
I can't afford the "good stuff" since the crash. The way things are going, I'll be on the Mad Dog soon.
(1) Buy cheap vodka
(2) Run it through a Brita filter 3-5 times.
(3) Profit!
(4) Hurl...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:46:47am |
re: #993 rbruning
You're kidding about the second photo, right? Showing Obama with a turban, wearing a bone necklace and holding a zebra toy isn't racist? Yeah, riigght.
And as for the third: The obsessive emphasis on Obama as an foreigner (which he is not) and a Muslim (which he most definitely is not) is at the very least religious bigotry and xenophobia.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:47:39am |
re: #1018 Honorary Yooper
Yeah, they won't do anything. Just imagine how black conservatives feel when they see this. It's easy to see why blacks feel unwelcome in conservative circles. This stuff is a huge turn off to decent people. It's widespread and becoming increasingly acceptable.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:47:43am |
re: #1017 MandyManners
Kanye's behavior had nothing to do with the color of his skin but the content of his character.
...or lack thereof.
/gay fish
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badger1970 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:48:08am |
re: #1016 Killgore Trout
That's HotAir business whether to ban/delete or not to ban/delete. Wade through the crap on other sites (left and right), no different.
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avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:48:14am |
re: #1020 JamesTKirk
Ocean City, MD. I don't think there's an Ocean City in NJ; the big seaside tourist destination there is Atlantic City.
Ocean City NJ, is 15 minutes out from Atalntic City.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:49:00am |
re: #1022 Oh no...Sand People!
*facepalm*
Have I ever mentioned I didn't want to win any elections anyway...
Heh, don't worry about it. There's very little chance of that happening any time soon. If today's GOP could build a time machine to 1950 they might have a good chance.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:49:34am |
re: #1029 avanti
Ocean City NJ, is 15 minutes out from Atalntic City.
I didn't see it because the last time I was at Atlantic City I drove up Ventnor Avenue, stayed on the Boardwalk, did not pass Go, did not collect $200.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:49:53am |
re: #1014 J.D.
So you can also dread the 5 years between 12 and 17.
A no-win situation there.
Well, if in those years the girl is in school, she might (just might) develope a mind of her own. THAT can make all the difference.
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baier Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:50:34am |
Hopefully Beck will start a 3rd party and all the crazies will join so we can get back to work.
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What, me worry? Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:50:34am |
re: #1013 scalleywag
Well, they certainly haven't been ignored, they've been the focus on all kinds of blog sites. I just think people who do these things are 1)total morons, and 2)they do it to stand out and get attention. They don't carry signs like that to the grocery store or to their place of employment. They carry them to events with large crowds and media in attendance. So maybe, just maybe if we paid them no mind, they'd go back under the rock they slithered out from. I could be wrong, that's just what I think. I don't think Kayne deserves any attention for what he did, either. It was despicable. Why should he be invited on shows like Letterman? Why do we give people like this the time of day?
I agree with Mandy that the Kayne issue wasn't about racism. It was about idiotism or low class (no class) ism. I have no problem humiliating Kayne West. He needs to be knocked down a few pegs.
It's not ok to turn your head when someone is carrying DEATH TO ISRAEL sign and it's not ok to ignore YOUR NEW MASSA sign. These people do not go underground and whither away when you ignore them. Or maybe you don't remember a little thing called WWII.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:52:34am |
re: #1031 JamesTKirk
I didn't see it because the last time I was at Atlantic City I drove up Ventnor Avenue, stayed on the Boardwalk, did not pass Go, did not collect $200.
In bed.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:53:34am |
re: #1033 baier
Hopefully Beck will start a 3rd party and all the crazies will join so we can get back to work.
He's a Libertarian.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:55:35am |
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KingKenrod Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:56:01am |
John McCain: Killing missle defense a "victory for Putin".
Mitt Romney: Alarming and dangerous
John Kyl: Today the Administration has turned its back on these allies
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:56:09am |
| 1042 |
Summersong Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:56:32am |
"If Kanye West were any more low rent, he'd be a spring break
destination".
-Dennis Miller
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:56:53am |
re: #1034 marjoriemoon
I agree with Mandy that the Kayne issue wasn't about racism. It was about idiotism or low class (no class) ism. I have no problem humiliating Kayne West. He needs to be knocked down a few pegs.
It's not ok to turn your head when someone is carrying DEATH TO ISRAEL sign and it's not ok to ignore YOUR NEW MASSA sign. These people do not go underground and whither away when you ignore them. Or maybe you don't remember a little thing called WWII.
I always liked this poster. hubby got the t-shirt version. "the hottest circles of hell . . . "
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:57:11am |
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scalleywag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:57:53am |
re: #1017 MandyManners
Well maybe he was a bad example. I just don't think we should reward bad behavior, and to some of these jerks with the signs, having their photos on a blog makes them feel important or relevant. They are neither. But you know what, maybe you're right. Maybe they deserve attention but in a special place just for them...scums of the earth.com, a gallery of hate, a gallery of shame.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:57:53am |
| 1047 |
MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:58:02am |
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:58:52am |
re: #1045 scalleywag
Well maybe he was a bad example. I just don't think we should reward bad behavior, and to some of these jerks with the signs, having their photos on a blog makes them feel important or relevant. They are neither. But you know what, maybe you're right. Maybe they deserve attention but in a special place just for them...scums of the earth.com, a gallery of hate, a gallery of shame.
A bad example of what?
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Guy_Montag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:00:19am |
re: #1041 JamesTKirk
So he's already in a third party full of crazies.
My Libertarian Brothers take personal umbrage with that comment. As soon as we get off the couch, we're going to give you a piece of our mind.
| 1051 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:00:34am |
re: #1048 MandyManners
A bad example of what?
Ha!
Good Example of someone who needs to meet the clue x 4
| 1052 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:01:20am |
Here's NRO's latest from Victor Davis Hanson. It's much the same as what was on PJM, but on NRO, which does not give a platform to racists. Hanson calls for civility and deceny:
No Rules in the Arena?
| 1053 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:01:44am |
re: #1029 avanti
Ocean City NJ, is 15 minutes out from Atalntic City.
Got a good friend that lives in Egg Harbor. Ocean City has a nice boardwalk.
| 1054 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:01:46am |
re: #1038 avanti
Hmmm...they went pretty easy on him.
| 1055 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:01:52am |
The twit with the nirther sign looks like Cindy Sheehan's clapped-out younger sister.
Moronic convergence?
| 1056 |
Danny Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:02:09am |
re: #1049 Charles
Trolls check in, but they don't check out...
| 1057 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:03:14am |
re: #1050 Guy_Montag
My Libertarian Brothers take personal umbrage with that comment. As soon as we get off the couch, we're going to give you a piece of our mind.
Are they capital-L Libertarians who are actual members of the party, or are they small-L libertarians who merely embrace libertarian principles in a sane manner? There's a difference.
| 1058 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:03:14am |
| 1059 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:03:32am |
re: #1053 Desert Dog
Got a good friend that lives in Egg Harbor. Ocean City has a nice boardwalk.
Hey, we have restaurant chain called Egg Harbor. I didn't know it was on the Monopoly board as well.
| 1060 |
Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:03:59am |
| 1061 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:04:19am |
re: #993 rbruning
What do nationality (real or not) and religious references (look at photo #2 and #3) by themselves have to do with racial intolerance unless one is assuming or extrapolating a racial attack? Look at a vanilla leftist rally and you don't have to squint or cherry pick to find intolerance.
You seem to be doing your best to deny what's right in front of your face. Again, the "cherry-picking" excuse, when you know damned well it isn't. I've posted dozens of photos like these, and finding more is like finding grains of sand on a beach. They were everywhere at the tea party.
You can't deal with that fact so you're trying to deny it. Good luck with that approach.
| 1062 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:04:29am |
re: #1042 Summersong
"If Kanye West were any more low rent, he'd be a spring break
destination".-Dennis Miller
LOL
| 1063 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:04:31am |
re: #1058 Flyers1974
A dry town by the way.
How can a place called Ocean City be DRY?!
At least the Ocean City in Maryland isn't. I remember staggering up the boardwalk one year, hitting each bar for a drink on the way.
| 1064 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:05:38am |
Charles: #492. It is possible, but I haven't told anyone how.
| 1065 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:06:15am |
re: #975 scalleywag
Shocked and disgusted. I am just of the opinion that these people deserve no attention. None. Publishing photos of them and their vulgar little (often misspelled) signs doesn't shame them, they have no shame or they wouldn't be out there in the first place. I'm ashamed that people would do things like that in my country.
Right. Let's just ignore them -- that will work.
| 1066 |
Ojoe Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:06:16am |
On the topic of this post:
What is happening in my country?
Where did all these morons come from?
I'll support Obama any time over these people.
| 1067 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:06:21am |
re: #1059 ggt
Hey, we have restaurant chain called Egg Harbor. I didn't know it was on the Monopoly board as well.
SMACK!
We have Egg Harbor restaurants here in the Chicago suburbs as well. There's one in Arlington Heights, and another in Northfield.
| 1068 |
Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:06:24am |
re: #1052 Dark_Falcon
Here's NRO's latest from Victor Davis Hanson. It's much the same as what was on PJM, but on NRO, which does not give a platform to racists. Hanson calls for civility and deceny:
No Rules in the Arena?
On the Money...everyone should read that
| 1069 |
saylorfam Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:06:43am |
re: #1063 JamesTKirk
Often jokingly referred to as "The wettest dry town in New Jersey", Bars and clubs abound across the bridges.
| 1070 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:07:16am |
re: #1066 Ojoe
On the topic of this post:
What is happening in my country?
Where did all these morons come from?
I'll support Obama any time over these people.
Quite Concur.
| 1071 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:07:40am |
re: #1063 JamesTKirk
How can a place called Ocean City be DRY?!
At least the Ocean City in Maryland isn't. I remember staggering up the boardwalk one year, hitting each bar for a drink on the way.
Don't know how O.C. NJ remained dry. O.C. Maryland is definitly the polar opposite. Drunken debauchery. Not that that's a bad thing.
| 1072 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:07:41am |
re: #1040 KingKenrod
John McCain: Killing missle defense a "victory for Putin".
Mitt Romney: Alarming and dangerous
John Kyl: Today the Administration has turned its back on these allies
Except he did not kill it, he changed it after a DOD review. see
| 1073 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:08:54am |
Kayne West and PETA are said to be in talks over starting a "save the jackasses" campaign...
| 1074 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:08:59am |
re: #1052 Dark_Falcon
Hmmm, I still think he's missing the point. Much of the opposition to Obama is based on fantasies and lies. Conservatives have feasted on conspiracy theories and bad information to the point where they no longer understand what's going on in the real world. They are frightened beyond reason and are becoming increasingly influenced by racists and cults like the Birch Society. I think the real conservative solution to the problem to not to look outward but accept personal responsibility for what conservatives have done to themselves.
| 1075 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:09:09am |
re: #1071 Flyers1974
Don't know how O.C. NJ remained dry. O.C. Maryland is definitly the polar opposite. Drunken debauchery. Not that that's a bad thing.
Last time I was in OC MD was when I was single. Coincidence?
| 1076 |
badger1970 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:09:28am |
re: #1067 Dark_Falcon
SMACK!
We have Egg Harbor restaurants here in the Chicago suburbs as well. There's one in Arlington Heights, and another in Northfield.
There's a scenic town in Door County (WI) named Egg Harbor that might was well be Illinois North due to all the tourism during the summer.
| 1077 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:09:56am |
re: #1052 Dark_Falcon
The incivility needs to stop.
1. Simply because the other side used it for the past eight years does not make it OK in any way, shape, or form to act as they did. Take the higher moral road.
2. Calling anyone a nazi or comparing them to nazis should be abhorred and avoided. Those who do should be subject to Godwin's Law and beaten with nerf balls as punishment.
3. Alinsky should be avoided, period. There is no excuse for using the Rules for Radicals. It has no place in serious, formal, and civil political discourse.
4. Furthermore, don't be an asshole. We need to use the "No Asshole Rule" more often. Anyone who acts as an asshole should be voted out of office in the very next election. Assholes should not be sufferred nor tolerated in political discourse or anywhere else for that matter.
| 1078 |
brennant Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:11:54am |
The Nazi stuff has got to stop...
Seattle Times has an article on a local issue here.
| 1079 |
Guy_Montag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:12:08am |
re: #1057 JamesTKirk
Are they capital-L Libertarians who are actual members of the party, or are they small-L libertarians who merely embrace libertarian principles in a sane manner? There's a difference.
That question is too complicated. I asked one of my Libertarian Brothers what it meant, and he said it pertained to metric spaces being connected Riemannian manifolds. He said he'll have an answer once he puts down the bong.
| 1080 |
KingKenrod Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:14:20am |
re: #1072 avanti
Except he did not kill it, he changed it after a DOD review. see
I read the statement in full, and it's the most bewildering glob of doublespeak I've ever read. He's basically saying no missle defense in Eastern Europe is a better missle defense than having a missle defense in Eastern Europe.
His mention of other missle defense systems is irrelevant. If we have them, we'll use them regardless of what we have deployed in Eastern Europe.
| 1081 |
MJ Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:15:28am |
| 1082 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:15:29am |
September is Emergency Preparedness Month.
Today: Medications. You should undoubtedly have OTC painkillers, like ibuprofen and acetaminophen, in your first aid kit.
Most importantly, you should be aware of the essential meds of your family members, including elderly relatives you might be responsible for in an emergency. If a drug is life-saving, you should treat it as being just that important. Don't allow medications to run too low, and be aware of where the prescriptions are, as well as the name and phone number of the doctors.
Back to our regularly schedule denunciation of Nazis.
Remember Nazis=Nazis. Nothing else equals Nazis. They earned their own special category.
| 1083 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:15:32am |
re: #1077 Honorary Yooper
[...] 4. Furthermore, don't be an asshole. We need to use the "No Asshole Rule" more often. Anyone who acts as an asshole should be voted out of office in the very next election. Assholes should not be sufferred nor tolerated in political discourse or anywhere else for that matter. [...]
Agreed, in principle.
But if you banned all the assholes in America, the remaining population would be less than Holland's.
And who's gonna take 'em all? Canada?
| 1084 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:15:46am |
| 1085 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:15:49am |
re: #1076 badger1970
There's a scenic town in Door County (WI) named Egg Harbor that might was well be Illinois North due to all the tourism during the summer.
Upding for triggering a contented sigh remembering all the good times I have had in Door County. Very serene up there.
| 1086 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:16:11am |
re: #1075 JamesTKirk
Last time I was in OC MD was when I was single. Coincidence?
Pretty much the same with me, other than when I took an out-ot-state visitor. Come to think of it, the last time I was at a lot of places was when I was single. But remember, married men live longer.
| 1087 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:16:18am |
re: #1074 Killgore Trout
He wouldn't get any traction with that argument, Killgore. You can't tell an irrational person that they're losing it and expect them to listen to you. They'll dismiss your words in the paranoia.
A plea for civility from both sides, containing reminders of what the Dems have done, might do some good. It does not seem as much like an attack and it comes from an unimpeachable source. Such a plea might filter into reader's consciousness and get them to look at how they are behaving. Remember that when VDH writes a column like that, he does so to try to teach readers moral and political lessons. To do that, you must speak in a manner that gets your audience to listen to you.
| 1088 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:16:21am |
This is really bizarre, but a facebook friend is claiming that Obama is going to do an interview with Glenn Beck.
Having trouble buying that one. I can't see why the President would.
| 1089 |
scalleywag Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:16:22am |
Well that's my proposal. Charles should have a permanent page devoted to freaks and morons with signs. Then they aren't being ignored, they're just put in their proper place. So every time conservatives or liberals have a large gathering people can submit photos of the ignorant toads and their vile signs and we could vote on whose is the most repulsive. I guess you could include politicians who act out and call the president a liar or "entertainers" who grab a microphone from a poor innocent award winner. Or a speakers of the house who calls American citizens Nazis. Like I said, a gallery of hate, a gallery of shame, a gallery of the uncivilized.
It's been fun...I should work now :)
| 1090 |
Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:17:33am |
re: #1074 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, I still think he's missing the point. Much of the opposition to Obama is based on fantasies and lies. Conservatives have feasted on conspiracy theories and bad information to the point where they no longer understand what's going on in the real world. They are frightened beyond reason and are becoming increasingly influenced by racists and cults like the Birch Society. I think the real conservative solution to the problem to not to look outward but accept personal responsibility for what conservatives have done to themselves.
Much of the opposition is based on the government spending us into oblivion, crashing the dollar, interfering in private industry, crapping on the constitution and taking a weak position on foreign policy by appeasing a bunch of thugs around the world. And, the opposition is to the Democrat party in general, which has been taken over by the far left wacko's. And as the leader of the Democrat Party, he gets the brunt. It comes with the job.
| 1091 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:17:54am |
| 1092 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:17:56am |
re: #1081 MJ
Newsweek sinks to a new low:
Essay: Chop and Crop
[Link: lens.blogs.nytimes.com...]
New low same as the old low.
| 1093 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:17:56am |
re: #1074 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, I still think he's missing the point. Much of the opposition to Obama is based on fantasies and lies. Conservatives have feasted on conspiracy theories and bad information to the point where they no longer understand what's going on in the real world. They are frightened beyond reason and are becoming increasingly influenced by racists and cults like the Birch Society. I think the real conservative solution to the problem to not to look outward but accept personal responsibility for what conservatives have done to themselves.
you down dinged one of my earlier posts and said no one here is accusing conservatives of being racists...
| 1094 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:18:24am |
re: #1086 Flyers1974
But remember, married men live longer.
<joke type="very_old"> No, it just seems that way. </joke>
| 1095 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:18:32am |
| 1096 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:19:12am |
re: #1087 Dark_Falcon
. Remember that when VDH writes a column like that, he does so to try to teach readers moral and political lessons. To do that, you must speak in a manner that gets your audience to listen to you.
Good point.
| 1097 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:19:14am |
re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote
That first line about me wasn't by any chance from IF, was it?
And what's with "Nancy"? That's what Haakondahl called me when he first realized I wasn't all about agreeing with him. Does Haakon post at 2.0?
| 1098 |
Digital Display Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:19:16am |
re: #1033 baier
Hopefully Beck will start a 3rd party and all the crazies will join so we can get back to work.
The American Clown Party..The spokesman would be Krusty.
| 1099 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:19:45am |
re: #1081 MJ
Newsweek sinks to a new low:
Essay: Chop and Crop
[Link: lens.blogs.nytimes.com...]
Nasty, and typical of Newsweek. Bunch of assholes.
| 1100 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:19:55am |
re: #1094 JamesTKirk
<joke type="very_old"> No, it just seems that way. </joke>
*braces for the incoming WHACK!*
| 1101 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:20:18am |
re: #1067 Dark_Falcon
SMACK!
We have Egg Harbor restaurants here in the Chicago suburbs as well. There's one in Arlington Heights, and another in Northfield.
I know, I'M in the Chicago Suburbs, remember.
Geez, I got real tired of typing the weather report for the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland, and I figured everyone knew where I was and was real tired of reading the weather report anyway. Don't tell me I have to start it again. :))
| 1102 |
Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:20:37am |
re: #1088 EmmmieG
This is really bizarre, but a facebook friend is claiming that Obama is going to do an interview with Glenn Beck.
Having trouble buying that one. I can't see why the President would.
Put that on pay per view and make a dent in the deficit.
| 1103 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:21:00am |
re: #1089 scalleywag
Well that's my proposal. Charles should have a permanent page devoted to freaks and morons with signs. Then they aren't being ignored, they're just put in their proper place. So every time conservatives or liberals have a large gathering people can submit photos of the ignorant toads and their vile signs and we could vote on whose is the most repulsive. I guess you could include politicians who act out and call the president a liar or "entertainers" who grab a microphone from a poor innocent award winner. Or a speakers of the house who calls American citizens Nazis. Like I said, a gallery of hate, a gallery of shame, a gallery of the uncivilized.
It's been fun...I should work now :)
Do you have idea how much storage space and bandwidth would be used up collecting pictures of every idiotic protester on the left and right, every idiotic politician, every idiotic "entertainer", and so forth? Are you trying to bankrupt Charles?
| 1104 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:21:22am |
re: #1074 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, I still think he's missing the point. Much of the opposition to Obama is based on fantasies and lies. Conservatives have feasted on conspiracy theories and bad information to the point where they no longer understand what's going on in the real world. They are frightened beyond reason and are becoming increasingly influenced by racists and cults like the Birch Society. I think the real conservative solution to the problem to not to look outward but accept personal responsibility for what conservatives have done to themselves.
I think that goes both ways --Liberals and Conservatives.
| 1105 |
HAL2010 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:22:09am |
I completely agree with Andrew Sullivan on this one, but somehow I doubt that someone in the RNC will call him out on it.
Limbaugh will enjoy the scorn. But he's a disgusting opportunist and racist. And his acceptability - indeed total dominance - on the right is one reason decent people will steer clear of the GOP for the foreseeable future. There is no nuance or doubt here. This is a man who wants a race war. Until the GOP throws him out, they deserve oblivion. He's a racist through and through, and if no one on the right stands up to this, they are complicit:
| 1106 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:22:36am |
re: #1101 ggt
I know, I'M in the Chicago Suburbs, remember.
Geez, I got real tired of typing the weather report for the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland, and I figured everyone knew where I was and was real tired of reading the weather report anyway. Don't tell me I have to start it again. :))
Sorry, momentary lapse in judgement.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:22:38am |
re: #1074 Killgore Trout
In the not so distant past...
Hmmm, I still think he's missing the point. Much of the opposition to
ObamaBush is based on fantasies and lies.ConservativesLiberals have feasted on conspiracy theories and bad information to the point where they no longer understand what's going on in the real world. They are frightened beyond reason and are becoming increasingly influenced by racists and cults like theBirch SocietyCode Pink. I think the realconservativeliberal solution to the problem to not to look outward but accept personal responsibility for whatconservativesliberals have done to themselves.
You are mostly correct with your observation. But, it is hardly a rarity. I hope the right can resist the temptation to fall into that trap. Unlike you and many others on this blog, I do feel the conservatives are still grounded. You are just hearing the loudest voices right now...The slumbering right has awoken and that is bad news for the Democrats. I have not seen this much motivation since the Reagan days. The fire in the belly resides with the right now...not the left. They are playing defense.
| 1108 |
Kragar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:23:11am |
Simple rule of thumb, until they go about organizing the systematic murder of millions of innocent people, then they aren't nazis
| 1110 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:23:21am |
re: #1095 ggt
Did Scotty figure it out?
I figured it out a couple of days ago when I tried to post an URL with four O's in a row. After hacking the Kobayashi Maru test, this was easy. But as I said, I'm keeping the method to myself (unless Charles asks for it) because there was no doubt a reason for that filter in the first place.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:23:38am |
re: #1104 ggt
Once again,I think conservatives need to stop looking outward. It's a distraction and prevents them from solving their own problems which urgently need fixing.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:23:45am |
re: #1105 HAL2010
I completely agree with Andrew Sullivan on this one, but somehow I doubt that someone in the RNC will call him out on it.
Good lord. That's absolutely blatant race baiting.
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avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:24:12am |
re: #1080 KingKenrod
I read the statement in full, and it's the most bewildering glob of doublespeak I've ever read. He's basically saying no missle defense in Eastern Europe is a better missle defense than having a missle defense in Eastern Europe.
His mention of other missle defense systems is irrelevant. If we have them, we'll use them regardless of what we have deployed in Eastern Europe.
If the military joint chiefs and Gate's proposed the new system as was suggested, that's good enough for me.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:25:04am |
re: #1110 JamesTKirk
I figured it out a couple of days ago when I tried to post an URL with four O's in a row. After hacking the Kobayashi Maru test, this was easy. But as I said, I'm keeping the method to myself (unless Charles asks for it) because there was no doubt a reason for that filter in the first place.
It's not a problem -- you just used character entities for the repeated characters. The repeated character filter is only intended for regular text - not links.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:25:08am |
re: #1112 Charles
Good lord. That's absolutely blatant race baiting.
As much as I respect Rush's views on a lot of fiscal matters, the man does ride the crazy train a bit too much for comfort. I can't say I'm surprised; he does love dipping into extreme rhetoric to gain ratings.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:25:25am |
re: #1108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Simple rule of thumb, until they go about organizing the systematic murder of millions of innocent people, then they aren't nazis
What about if they're planning to do it in a less systematic way, by just launching nuclear weapons at Israel?
(I reserve my Nazi comparisons for Ahmadinejad and his ilk in Iran)
| 1118 |
mjwsatx Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:25:37am |
Are we not supposed to have any nutroots on our side? OK Charles - I'm angry about it. I agree that it makes the conservative case look bad. But so what? There will always be nuts on both the right and the left. This is the nature of the world we live in. Don't fall into the utopian trap. I predict that the angrier people become with Obama's leadership - or lack thereof - the more right-wing nuts will crawl out of the woodwork. There is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it other then to remind the other side that they have plenty of kooks of their own.
Obama was supposed to be a uniter - remember? Fine job he's doing by telling the right to shut up and get out of the way. This kind of thing pisses people off.
Human nature. What a disappointment.
Mike ////\////
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:25:48am |
re: #1111 Killgore Trout
Once again,I think conservatives need to stop looking outward. It's a distraction and prevents them from solving their own problems which urgently need fixing.
I think that goes for everyone, not just conservatives.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:26:43am |
re: #1115 thedopefishlives
As much as I respect Rush's views on a lot of fiscal matters, the man does ride the crazy train a bit too much for comfort. I can't say I'm surprised; he does love dipping into extreme rhetoric to gain ratings.
he is an ENTERTAINER. It's a job to him. Nothing more.
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avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:26:59am |
re: #1093 Charpete67
you down dinged one of my earlier posts and said no one here is accusing conservatives of being racists...
KT said influenced by racists, not that they were. Most have no idea that racists are spoon feeding them propaganda.
| 1122 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:26:59am |
OT: Anothe one bites the dust: Indonesian Police Kill Alleged Terror Mastermind
Its been a bad week for the bad guys.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:27:33am |
re: #1097 Cato the Elder
That first line about me wasn't by any chance from IF, was it?
And what's with "Nancy"? That's what Haakondahl called me when he first realized I wasn't all about agreeing with him. Does Haakon post at 2.0?
The term "Nancy" poredates 2.0. A bunch of the GCPers were famous for using it to describe Charles, but it predates even that. A "Nancy" is a slang term for an effeminate or homosexual male.
Just learned that today while looking it up.
| 1125 |
HAL2010 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:27:53am |
re: #1120 ggt
he is an ENTERTAINER. It's a job to him. Nothing more.
Which is in itself a problem, because people rely on him for political guidance. And right now, the man is racebaiting.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:28:05am |
re: #1120 ggt
he is an ENTERTAINER. It's a job to him. Nothing more.
That he is, albeit not a very good one. Unfortunately, people take him seriously.
| 1127 |
Kragar Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:28:14am |
re: #1117 Kosh's Shadow
What about if they're planning to do it in a less systematic way, by just launching nuclear weapons at Israel?
(I reserve my Nazi comparisons for Ahmadinejad and his ilk in Iran)
Nope, that would still be systematic, just not efficient, so Nazi away.
| 1129 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:29:04am |
re: #1125 HAL2010
Which is in itself a problem, because people rely on him for political guidance. And right now, the man is racebaiting.
He has a measure of political savvy, and on occasion, actually does make some good points. In particular, he is a staunch fiscal conservative, which I fully support. But to use him as a political bellwether is definitely the wrong way to go about it.
| 1130 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:29:17am |
re: #1109 irish rose
Good morning, lizards.
Great post on your blog, BTW, Rose. I linked it in the spinoffs. I saw that the Deucers already began their attack.
| 1131 |
wrenchwench Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:29:40am |
re: #1120 ggt
he is an ENTERTAINER. It's a job to him. Nothing more.
He's an ad salesman who uses his entertainment to sell ads. He does have some political allegiances, because I heard him carefully talking down those who want to go third-party instead of supporting Republicans. But he was very careful not to offend the wackos in his audience.
| 1132 |
HAL2010 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:29:44am |
You can be an anti-semite without being a Nazi. But you can't be a Nazi without being an anti-semite.
| 1133 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:30:35am |
re: #1127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nope, that would still be systematic, just not efficient, so Nazi away.
OK.
As for the Israel and Jew-hating UN, they're more like the Vichy French; helping, but leaving the dirty work to others.
| 1134 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:30:53am |
re: #1128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Flounce or troll?
The result is the same: Traumatic injury to account privileges.
| 1135 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:32:06am |
re: #1133 Kosh's Shadow
OK.
As for the Israel and Jew-hating UN, they're more like the Vichy French; helping, but leaving the dirty work to others.
Not so sure about that. They seem to turn many a blind eye to the rocket teams in UN buildings, use of the ambulances, payroll . . .
| 1136 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:32:46am |
re: #1118 mjwsatx
Stop trying to excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Tu quque is a logical fallacy. Given that your post contains said fallacy I hereby give it its grade: FAIL.
| 1137 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:33:23am |
Interesting:
"Top 10 states with highest teen birth rates:
Mississippi New Mexico Texas Arkansas Arizona Oklahoma Nevada Tennessee Kentucky Georgia
Top 10 most conservatively religious states:
Mississippi Alabama South Carolina Tennessee Louisiana Utah Arkansas North Carolina Kentucky Oklahoma"
| 1138 |
SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:34:02am |
| 1139 |
irish rose Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:34:32am |
| 1140 |
Ben Hur Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:34:33am |
Vice President Joe Biden earlier refused to confirm to CNN that the George W. Bush-era plan was being shelved.But he did explain the logic of doing so, saying Iran -- a key concern for the United States -- was not a threat.
"I think we are fully capable and secure dealing with any present or future potential Iranian threat," he told CNN's Chris Lawrence in Baghdad, where he is on a brief trip.
"The whole purpose of this exercise we are undertaking is to diminish the prospect of the Iranians destabilizing that region in the world. I am less concerned -- much less concerned -- about the Iranian potential. They have no potential at this moment, they have no capacity to launch a missile at the United States of America," he said.
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
| 1141 |
wrenchwench Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:35:02am |
re: #1118 mjwsatx
There is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it other then to remind the other side that they have plenty of kooks of their own.
I propose a thing that can be done. How about not attending rallies organized and promoted by kooks. Just a thought.
| 1142 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:35:11am |
re: #1135 Creeping Eruption
Not so sure about that. They seem to turn many a blind eye to the rocket teams in UN buildings, use of the ambulances, payroll . . .
Yes, but the French also helped load Jews on the trains.
They didn't actually engage in the killing, just like the UN doesn't actually give the terrorists weapons.
So in the restricted use of the term "Nazi", we can't call the UN "Nazis" because they themselves aren't planning or doing the killing, just giving it support.
| 1143 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:35:13am |
re: #1128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Flounce or troll?
That was scallywag. He had been creeping towards defending the Tea Party signs. I'd guess he finally stepped over the line and Chalres gave him the boot. I expect to see him over at Rodan's place later today.
| 1144 |
SixDegrees Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:35:35am |
re: #1141 wrenchwench
I propose a thing that can be done. How about not attending rallies organized and promoted by kooks. Just a thought.
Sounds like a plan to me.
| 1145 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:35:44am |
re: #1107 Desert Dog
In the not so distant past...
You are mostly correct with your observation. But, it is hardly a rarity. I hope the right can resist the temptation to fall into that trap. Unlike you and many others on this blog, I do feel the conservatives are still grounded. You are just hearing the loudest voices right now...The slumbering right has awoken and that is bad news for the Democrats. I have not seen this much motivation since the Reagan days. The fire in the belly resides with the right now...not the left. They are playing defense.
DD - I agree, I think there are many conservatives who are grounded, and those with the loudest voices right now are not representative of, well, me for one, and I suspect, countless others.
| 1147 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:36:59am |
re: #1142 Kosh's Shadow
Yes, but the French also helped load Jews on the trains.
They didn't actually engage in the killing, just like the UN doesn't actually give the terrorists weapons.So in the restricted use of the term "Nazi", we can't call the UN "Nazis" because they themselves aren't planning or doing the killing, just giving it support.
Ok. I can accept that.
| 1148 |
avanti Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:37:25am |
Like Mandela ???
"Birther queen Orly Taitz tells TPM that the federal judge who threatened her with sanctions is a "puppet" of the Obama regime and should be tried for treason, but that, like Nelson Mandela, she will fight on to prove Obama is illegitimate."
| 1149 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:37:42am |
re: #1141 wrenchwench
I propose a thing that can be done. How about not attending rallies organized and promoted by kooks. Just a thought.
Which for both right and left appears to be the same as "not attending rallies" these days.
| 1150 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:38:01am |
re: #1140 Ben Hur
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
Vice President Joe Biden earlier refused to confirm to CNN that the George W. Bush-era plan was being shelved.But he did explain the logic of doing so, saying Iran -- a key concern for the United States -- was not a threat.
"I think we are fully capable and secure dealing with any present or future potential Iranian threat," he told CNN's Chris Lawrence in Baghdad, where he is on a brief trip.
"The whole purpose of this exercise we are undertaking is to diminish the prospect of the Iranians destabilizing that region in the world. I am less concerned -- much less concerned -- about the Iranian potential. They have no potential at this moment, they have no capacity to launch a missile at the United States of America," he said.
Biden is an idiot. The Iranians are dangerous to our allies, or maybe he doesn't consider Israel, Poland, etc. to be allies.
And they're more likely to deliver a nuke to the US in a deniable way, via terrorism, than via missile.
If the Iranians do so, (G-d forbid!) [deleted]
| 1151 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:39:57am |
re: #1148 avanti
Like Mandela ???
"Birther queen Orly Taitz tells TPM that the federal judge who threatened her with sanctions is a "puppet" of the Obama regime and should be tried for treason, but that, like Nelson Mandela, she will fight on to prove Obama is illegitimate."
This seems to be a common theme amongst the completely unhinged: Invent a martyr complex to go along with your paranoia, so that when they finally come for you, you can give whatever following you managed to drum up cause to "continue the fight". Yeah, the fight against mental retardation.
| 1152 |
Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:40:33am |
Is any one else having issues typing? While I am hitting the keys, no type is appearing. It eventually starts appearing slowly and, one character at a time. When done typing it takes quite a while for the print to fill in.
| 1153 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:40:59am |
re: #1124 Honorary Yooper
The term "Nancy" poredates 2.0. A bunch of the GCPers were famous for using it to describe Charles, but it predates even that. A "Nancy" is a slang term for an effeminate or homosexual male.
Just learned that today while looking it up.
Huh. Just plain old crude homophobia of the "you're a queer" variety, eh? I thought maybe it was a Pelosi joke, but that would be too subtle for these bumpkins.
And it's the first thing out of HD's mouth when he wants to insult me. Something tells me there's a flounce in his future.
| 1154 |
brennant Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:41:12am |
re: #1150 Kosh's Shadow
Every time he removes the foot from his mouth, he stuffs it right back in. (sigh)
| 1155 |
lawhawk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:43:20am |
re: #1137 avanti
That might have something to do with a reluctance to engage in abortion. Or birth control. Or a combination of aforementioned factors.
| 1156 |
Charpete67 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:46:12am |
re: #1121 avanti
KT said influenced by racists, not that they were. Most have no idea that racists are spoon feeding them propaganda.
Ok...then my point is that when people start painting all of the opposition as a bunch of racist or seekritly influenced by racist, it is offensive to every day principled conservatives.
As a conservative, I find the images offensive, I think the nuts making all the noise hurt the right...there's no denying it...and I do worry about the trajectory of the crazies...but I still am opposed to big government.
| 1157 |
irish rose Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:46:29am |
re: #966 Honorary Yooper
Any person here who has received threats and had private information outed by those cretins should forward their documentation to the legal department at Blue Host immediately, legal -at- bluehost.com.
You too, Hoops.
| 1158 |
Flyers1974 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:46:57am |
re: #1107 Desert Dog
In the not so distant past...
You are mostly correct with your observation. But, it is hardly a rarity. I hope the right can resist the temptation to fall into that trap. Unlike you and many others on this blog, I do feel the conservatives are still grounded. You are just hearing the loudest voices right now...The slumbering right has awoken and that is bad news for the Democrats. I have not seen this much motivation since the Reagan days. The fire in the belly resides with the right now...not the left. They are playing defense.
I think the fire in the belly usually belongs to the right, a big exception happening during the Iraq War and continuing throughout Obama's candidcy. Which isn't surprising given opportunity (weakened GOP) and being at the end of eight years with a GOP president. I just think your typical Republican is more motivated and partisan than your typical Democrat. I also think there is a stronger feeling amongst many Republicans that a Democratic president is not legitimate than vice versa. I remember the anger when Clinton won in 1992, and that was obviously before the internet became what it is today.
| 1159 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:47:00am |
re: #1148 avanti
Like Mandela ???
"Birther queen Orly Taitz tells TPM that the federal judge who threatened her with sanctions is a "puppet" of the Obama regime and should be tried for treason, but that, like Nelson Mandela, she will fight on to prove Obama is illegitimate."
So she will be a jailhouse lawyer. They need em'
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:47:36am |
re: #1157 irish rose
Any person here who has received threats and had private information outed by those cretins should forward their documentation to the legal department at Blue Host immediately, legal -at- bluehost.com.
You too, Hoops.
Never been to LGF2, no plans to do so either. If they mention me (why would they?) please let me know.
| 1161 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:47:48am |
re: #1152 Ziggy
Is any one else having issues typing? While I am hitting the keys, no type is appearing. It eventually starts appearing slowly and, one character at a time. When done typing it takes quite a while for the print to fill in.
I think it is all the stardust man.//
| 1162 |
irish rose Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:49:56am |
re: #1160 JamesTKirk
Never been to LGF2, no plans to do so either. If they mention me (why would they?) please let me know.
They have, unfortunately.
Suggest you download Fireshot and pay them a daily visit.
| 1163 |
badger1970 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:50:14am |
re: #1151 thedopefishlives
Adding Beck and Obermann to the list. BTW can we not use the term "mental retardation"?
| 1164 |
Lee Coller Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:51:55am |
| 1165 |
Ziggy Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:52:17am |
re: #1161 Creeping Eruption
I think it is all the stardust man.//
I gave up the dust. The spiders from mars were freakingme out. But my computer still acting hinky...and only on LGF. Oh no, maybe it's a conspiracy. I'll bet the government has taken over my computer (sarc.)
| 1166 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:53:03am |
re: #1162 irish rose
They have, unfortunately.
Suggest you download Fireshot and pay them a daily visit.
*whines* Aw, do I hafta?
| 1167 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:54:04am |
re: #1160 JamesTKirk
Never been to LGF2, no plans to do so either. If they mention me (why would they?) please let me know.
The only people safe from the psychotic stalkers at LGF2 are those who do not mention them.
Which, I guess, now puts me on their hit list.
Crap.
| 1168 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:55:58am |
re: #1162 irish rose
They have, unfortunately.
Suggest you download Fireshot and pay them a daily visit.
The fact that I know they're talking about me is one more reason to pay them no mind.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 9:59:21am |
re: #1168 Cato the Elder
The fact that I know they're talking about me is one more reason to pay them no mind.
I'm not even sure where they are. If it's littlegreenfootballs2.com, my work filter has it blocked.
| 1170 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:12:09am |
re: #1169 JamesTKirk
I'm not even sure where they are. If it's littlegreenfootballs2.com, my work filter has it blocked.
Please don't bother with them. It only feeds their widdle egos.
| 1171 |
oh_dude Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:21:59am |
Gee, Racism exists. The right has nut jobs too.
Thanx for the scoop.
| 1172 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:24:27am |
re: #1171 oh_dude
Gee, Racism exists. The right has nut jobs too.
Thanx for the scoop.
You got gypped.
I got two scoops.
| 1173 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:27:01am |
re: #1161 Creeping Eruption
I think it is all the stardust man.//
We are stardust
We are billion year old carbon
--Joni Mitchell
| 1174 |
rbruning Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:29:17am |
re: #1118 mjwsatx
Nicely put. Now I don't have to explain my post.
| 1175 |
Reader2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:34:07am |
1141 wrenchwench
I was at the DC March on Saturday and got information about it from the Tea Party Express and Freedom Works websites.
Are these the organizers you refer to as kooks or do you mean some other groups?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:38:43am |
| 1178 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:35:31am |
If you're going to try to excuse the blatant racism of these signs, you can do it elsewhere. Bye now!
| 1179 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:39:08am |
re: #1178 Charles
If you're going to try to excuse the blatant racism of these signs, you can do it elsewhere. Bye now!
Bwahahahaha!
No. of comments posted: -1
Didn't know you could have minus one posts...
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Reader2 Thu, Sep 17, 2009 1:20:41pm |
re: 1176 Charles
Thanks, Charles, for the link.
I'd never heard of Williams before. The "Indonesian Muslim" part of his comment is off the wall, and "welfare thug" is probably a reference to Obama's association with ACORN and Chicago pols. He's also a radio host, so probably has a following. I'll check out what he talks about on the air.
I hope what I'm about to say doesn't get me banned, but if we are to have a useful discussion about race, we have to speak honestly.
Re William's charge that the President is a racist. Given his long-time associates in Chicago, I've been concerned about this myself. Obama is the one who played the race card during the campaign. He used it against the Clintons, and Geraldine Ferraro was accused of racism by his campaign. He renounced Rev. Wright only after he became an obvious problem
Obama brought up race frequently: 'never had a president that looked like me' 'they'll try to scare you' 'I'm black, if you haven't noticed'. I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but I found these comments disturbing. How was this post-racial? How was he to bring us together?
Recently, we've had an AG who calls us cowards about race, the dismissal of admitted, voter intimidation charges against the New Black Panthers, and the appointment/resignation of racist/truther Van Jones. It's troublesome. Hatred and bigotry are not problems just for whites.
Having said all this, I'd prefer to heed the advice of Morgan Freeman. Asked in an interview how do we get rid of racism, he responded: "Stop talking about it." If only we could.
Morgan Freeman on Race and Black History Month
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:11:47pm |
re: #1181 Reader2
Having said all this, I'd prefer to heed the advice of Morgan Freeman. Asked in an interview how do we get rid of racism, he responded: "Stop talking about it." If only we could.
A study shows that if you want to avoid racist attitudes, you must talk about race with children.
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