Amazon Finalizing Launch Date for British Kindle

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When I’ve posted my rave reviews of Amazon’s Kindle ebook reader (a device I use nearly as much as my computer), LGF readers in other countries have plaintively complained that it isn’t available outside the US — especially, in Canada and Britain. Well, there’s no word on Canadian availability yet, but Mobile Today reports that Amazon is close to announcing a launch date for the British version.

The British version will apparently include WiFi capability — a feature the US version doesn’t have.

External ImageAmazon is close to finalising a launch date for its ‘Kindle’ electronic book reader in the UK and is in advanced negotiations with a mobile operator for an MVNO, Mobile  understands.

The online retail giant has made a major play for ebooks to protect the business against the likes of Apple and Google disrupting the traditional book market.

Amazon is understood to have outsourced all aspects of manufacturing for the Kindle in the UK to Qualcomm, including securing ‘connectivity’ with a mobile operator in the UK.

The retailer wants customers to be able to download books through PCs or over Wi-Fi, but also to have the option to regularly download newspapers, magazines and journals while on the move, via a mobile network.

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1 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:47:40pm

Ye Olde Kyndle.

2 simonml  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:49:16pm

This Kindle makes all paper books useful only as kindling. eh?

3 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:51:39pm

when i can buy a used kindle for a buck at a used kindle shop tell me.

4 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:53:13pm

Whew! Deep breath!

5 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:55:33pm

Will it support british characters, like Dame Edna?

6 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:57:41pm

Hey all!

7 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:57:43pm

Muggles and their gadgets. What will they think of next?

8 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:58:13pm

How long before some gang robs a nerd of his kindle?

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:58:45pm

The British version will apparently include WiFi capability — something the US version doesn’t have.

10 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:59:35pm

re: #8 hazzyday

How long before some gang robs a nerd of his kindle?

They’ll have to pry my Kindle from my cold, dead fingers.

11 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:00:37pm

re: #8 hazzyday

How long before some gang robs a nerd of his kindle?

Would have to be a nerd gang.

12 ladycatnip  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:00:57pm

Too bad the Brits can’t download good health care.

13 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:01:12pm

re: #8 hazzyday

How long before some gang robs a nerd of his kindle?

[Link: www.google.com…]
No one identifies him/her self as a nerd, that I can find.

14 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:01:24pm

Soon tyranny will not be able to block information anywhere.

15 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:01:37pm

re: #11 itellu3times

a gang called the LITERATTI?

16 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:02:07pm

re: #13 J.D.

[Link: www.google.com…]
No one identifies him/her self as a nerd, that I can find.

Apparently, geek, is the term of choice = )

17 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:03:49pm

re: #13 J.D.

[Link: www.google.com…]
No one identifies him/her self as a nerd, that I can find.

Jealous mensa types or maybe a chess club group that recently lost a tourney. Or maybe a star wars gang bickering with a star trek gang and the kindle walks past them unawares reading.

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:04:54pm

re: #14 experiencedtraveller

Soon tyranny will not be able to block information anywhere.

This is one of the great things about the Kindle. It’s another step in the liberation of information.

19 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:05:06pm

re: #14 experiencedtraveller

Advancements in technology and knowledge are what drive societal change. It should be interesting to see just how much the availability to information will impact political struggles in the future (Iran being the most recent example) and how much it might lead to change.

20 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:05:08pm

re: #17 hazzyday

Jealous mensa types or maybe a chess club group that recently lost a tourney. Or maybe a star wars gang bickering with a star trek gang and the kindle walks past them unawares reading.

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

21 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:05:33pm

Debris Strikes Endeavour During Liftoff

As the space shuttle Endeavour lifted off into orbit Wednesday evening, several pieces of debris fell off the external fuel tank, and at least one hit the orbiter.

Astronauts in space and engineers on the ground will spend the next few days examining and analyzing the damage to see if it might pose a danger to the shuttle on re-entry.

/hope it’s nothing

22 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:05:46pm

re: #14 experiencedtraveller

Soon tyranny will not be able to block information anywhere.

Velocity of information. Adds value just by being fast.

23 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:06:31pm

re: #22 hazzyday

re: #14 experiencedtraveller


Velocity of information. Adds value just by being fast.

But what about accuracy?

24 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:06:37pm

re: #16 srb1976

Apparently, geek, is the term of choice = )

It’s all geek to me.

25 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:07:11pm

re: #21 Killian Bundy

Debris Strikes Endeavour During Liftoff

/hope it’s nothing

We all do.

26 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:07:35pm

Thanks all.

Apparently, Iran was unable to suppress Twitter due to the nature of the program? I have been meaning to look into it but it would be far easier if a lizard would just clarify… :)

27 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:08:13pm

re: #23 Fenway_Nation

But what about accuracy?

Accuracy probably adds $$$ on top of the value.

28 hazzyday  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:10:21pm

re: #26 experiencedtraveller

Thanks all.

Apparently, Iran was unable to suppress Twitter due to the nature of the program? I have been meaning to look into it but it would be far easier if a lizard would just clarify… :)

Finland ended up being one of the biggest enemies of the twitter revolution. As they gave Iran the ability to track wireless sources.

29 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:10:50pm

Humans need to get a little smarter about filtering all this information, though. The downside of liberating information is that kooks suddenly have a voice too, and if they’re obsessed enough they can become disproportionally influential despite being totally crazy.

Troofers, Nirthers, need I say more?

30 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:12:57pm

re: #29 Charles

Like the New York Times.

31 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:13:15pm

I’m waiting for the Dual Purpose 9mm Kindle…

32 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:13:57pm

re: #29 Charles

Actually I was thinking 60 Minutes’ and the falsified memos they ran. Or the Hajj photoshop of more smoke on the Beirut skyline…

Just because the information gets out there that much quicker doesn’t make it any less suspect.

33 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:14:19pm

re: #31 albusteve

I’m waiting for the Dual Purpose 9mm Kindle…

Will they let you have that in Jamaica?

34 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:14:47pm

re: #29 Charles

Hey, did you see the cool jazz and biking Israeli T-shirts at the Zionist Mall?

35 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:15:44pm

In a wide-ranging policy address to the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton pledged that the U.S. will “not hesitate to defend our friends, our interests, and above all, our people vigorously and when necessary with the world’s strongest military.”

[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

It’s not as strong as it used to be before you and yours shit canned the F-22

36 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:15:56pm

[Link: time-traveler-wife-trailer.blogspot.com…]

The author of the book this movie is based on was my grad school advisor & friend

37 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:16:17pm

re: #33 legalpad

Will they let you have that in Jamaica?

of course not…but there are ways…there are plenty of guns and ammo in Jamaica

38 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:16:33pm

re: #29 Charles

Troofers, Nirthers, need I say more?

Birchers.

39 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:17:04pm

I can think of three reasons why the Kindle isn’t in Canada yet. Rogers, Bell Canada, and Telus. My money is on the fight between Rogers Communication and Bell Canada.

40 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:17:07pm

Does it come in lime?

41 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:17:20pm

with any info it depends on who the GATE KEEPERS

42 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:17:36pm

re: #38 Sharmuta


The Daily Show viewers.

43 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:18:17pm

re: #37 albusteve

but there are ways

I love that!

44 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:18:33pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

Birchers.

they will soon be taxed out of existance…fear whoever emerges to replace them

45 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:18:41pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

Birchers.

I have several Birchers. I also have Pines, Elms and a few huge Oaks

(God only knows what’s on the rest of my property, beyond my back yard fence,,,)

46 callahan23  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:19:32pm

I posted this in the previous thread already:

OF SOME NOTE:
Those of you who are so inclined please pray for Realwest. Cancer test results - he is not well now. The others do wish him well, please, he is one of us. An original Lizard as one can be and a real good mensch.
Last but not least he is a friend of mine and that counts for something.
- - - -
I am actually crying now.
- - - -
See you all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

47 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:12pm

re: #43 legalpad

I love that!

they do things different down there…it’s still the art of the deal in many respects

48 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:22pm

Has realwest been here lately?

49 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:24pm

Don’t download a cutout book to your Kindle
/h
Good evening all,

re: #37 albusteve

of course not…but there are ways…there are plenty of guns and ammo in Jamaica, mon.

FTFY

50 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:45pm

re: #46 callahan23

Keep us posted.

51 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:01pm

re: #29 Charles

Troofers, Nirthers, need I say more?

Alex Jones…

52 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:03pm

re: #46 callahan23

Roger that.

53 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:04pm

re: #29 Charles

Humans need to get a little smarter about filtering all this information, though. The downside of liberating information is that kooks suddenly have a voice too, and if they’re obsessed enough they can become disproportionally influential despite being totally crazy.

Troofers, Nirthers, need I say more?

The growth of trooferism scares me. On the internet delusions can be shared and an alternative world with it’s own population can be built based on them. Whereas in the past people with severe paranoid delusions merely lacked reality checks, today’s paranoiacs have the option of turning their life into one big sustained unreality check via this medium.

54 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #48 J.D.

Has realwest been here lately?

I saw him this morning, he was still waiting for results…damn…

55 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:37pm

re: #46 callahan23

Ahh ,,,geeezz..

Prayers for him and his mom tonight

56 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:44pm

re: #48 J.D.

Has realwest been here lately?

He was here this morning.
Anxiously awaiting the results, which didn’t get to him by the time he expected them to.

57 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:59pm

re: #48 J.D.

Has realwest been here lately?

did a drive by this a.m.

58 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #53 Jimmah

The growth of trooferism scares me. On the internet delusions can be shared and an alternative world with it’s own population can be built based on them. Whereas in the past people with severe paranoid delusions merely lacked reality checks, today’s paranoiacs have the option of turning their life into one big sustained unreality check via this medium.

Yes, and they elected a president.

59 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:05pm

re: #48 J.D.

Has realwest been here lately?

Yesterday or the day before I think

60 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:17pm

re: #53 Jimmah

The growth of trooferism scares me. On the internet delusions can be shared and an alternative world with it’s own population can be built based on them. Whereas in the past people with severe paranoid delusions merely lacked reality checks, today’s paranoiacs have the option of turning their life into one big sustained unreality check via this medium.

amen.

61 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:24:07pm

re: #46 callahan23

I posted this in the previous thread already:

OF SOME NOTE:
Those of you who are so inclined please pray for Realwest. Cancer test results - he is not well now. The others do wish him well, please, he is one of us. An original Lizard as one can be and a real good mensch.
Last but not least he is a friend of mine and that counts for something.
- - - -
I am actually crying now.
- - - -
See you all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

I just exchanged a few e-mails with Realwest not too long ago, I didn’t know. Real was trying to help me with some disability info. Prayers and well wishes Real.

62 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:24:08pm

re: #9 Charles

The British version will apparently include WiFi capability — something the US version doesn’t have.

I shall show my vast ignorance, here. If the U.S. version doesn’t have WiFi, how do the books/blogs get downloaded into it?

63 DEZes  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:24:35pm

Lizards, Keep Realweast in your thoughts and prayers.
I have to rest, thanks for the company .

64 callahan23  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:24:55pm

re: #48 J.D.

Has realwest been here lately?

The last overnight thread. But I received an email. I’ll let him explain the specifics.
’s late for me and I am sad, really sad.

65 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:25:22pm

re: #53 Jimmah

The growth of trooferism scares me. On the internet delusions can be shared and an alternative world with it’s own population can be built based on them. Whereas in the past people with severe paranoid delusions merely lacked reality checks, today’s paranoiacs have the option of turning their life into one big sustained unreality check via this medium.

Whilst they await their Government Check!

FREE SHIT,.,,, COOL!!

66 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:25:49pm

re: #62 ShanghaiEd

I shall show my vast ignorance, here. If the U.S. version doesn’t have WiFi, how do the books/blogs get downloaded into it?

3G wireless

67 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:25:56pm

re: #62 ShanghaiEd

I shall show my vast ignorance, here. If the U.S. version doesn’t have WiFi, how do the books/blogs get downloaded into it?

Direct connect to PC or Zip Drive

68 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:02pm

re: #66 reine.de.tout

3G wireless

Like cell phones

69 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #63 DEZes
Nite DEZ.

70 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:14pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

Direct connect to PC or Zip Drive

NO!

71 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:32pm

A 9-month wait for arthritis treatment: Delay can mean a lifetime of agony for victims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Another dandy British import: Socialized medicine?

72 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:48pm

“To everything there is a Season”

Youtube Video

/praying for RealWest

73 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:27:29pm

re: #71 Nevergiveup

A 9-month wait for arthritis treatment: Delay can mean a lifetime of agony for victims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Another dandy British import: Socialized medicine?

That’s unconscionable.

74 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:27:30pm

Hollywood Illuminati Exposed

Youtube Video

These idiots only need to see something vaguely triangular or star shaped in a movie and they’re orgasming with vindication. There are loads of these deranged videos on you tube, all with wall to wall positive comments and ratings.

75 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:03pm

re: #73 reine.de.tout

That’s unconscionable.

No that’s called a preview

76 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:33pm

re: #75 Nevergiveup

No that’s called a preview

I’m afraid so.
I hope not.

77 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:56pm

OT: Anybody a suggestion for a good and up to date CAD program? That runs under Linux? Is 3D capable? Has a native user interface?
Something like Catia…ProE…Inventor…Solidworks…that can animate motions and do some FEM calculations? Has useful part libraries?

And yes I am willing to pay for such a thing, but I am not longer willing to use VM or even a real Windows for only that task.

78 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:29:28pm

re: #58 legalpad

Yes, and they elected a president.

Actually, the most significant type - the NWO troofers - all despise Obama as much as they did Bush. He’s just another ‘tool of the international banking elite’ to them.

79 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:29:41pm

Man I hate that.

80 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:30:16pm

re: #75 Nevergiveup

No that’s called a preview

Neil Betteridge, chief executive of the charity Arthritis Care, said: ‘The report echoes what people with rheumatoid arthritis have been telling Arthritis Care for years.
‘Early diagnosis and referral for suitable treatment is crucial as it can stop this debilitating condition in its tracks.
‘We applaud the audit’s recommendations that the Department of Health and Primary Care Trusts replace their often scattergun delivery with joined-up services.’
Tory MP Edward Leigh, chairman of the Commons public accounts committee, said the NHS needed to improve support services for people with arthritis.
Health minister Ann Keen said: ‘We welcome this report and will consider it carefully before responding.’

The Health Minister Ann Keen sounds like she learned her craft at the U.N.

81 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:30:24pm

re: #68 reine.de.tout

Like cell phones

Like a cell phone with Web capability? Mine is T-mobile, for instance. Is 3G a provider, or a level of service? How widespread is it? Do you have to be in metro area?

82 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:31:45pm

re: #78 Jimmah

Actually, the most significant type - the NWO troofers - all despise Obama as much as they did Bush. He’s just another ‘tool of the international banking elite’ to them.

Yeah, now they despise him, after their usual mindless process elected him.

83 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:32:06pm

Catch y’all later…it’s hot tub time = )

84 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:32:10pm

re: #81 ShanghaiEd

Like a cell phone with Web capability? Mine is T-mobile, for instance. Is 3G a provider, or a level of service? How widespread is it? Do you have to be in metro area?

3G is a type of wireless service. It’s used by some (maybe all) the cell phone companies here.

The Kindle books load onto the device via 3G (it uses lots of battery power - I only turn it on when I buy a book, then I turn it off again).

85 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:32:27pm

well with the mention of birch and oak i remember a joke

two guys in a lumber yard were arguring what kind of wood this board was any one can tell what walnut or cherry looks like but some of the plainner boards are hard to tell so in flys an expert and they both say this guy would know what kind of wood it was so they ask him

well he flys over to the board in question and gives it a couple of quick taps. well what is it the two guys ask? so he thinks and then says
“it is the finest piece of ash I have put my pecker into”

86 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #81 ShanghaiEd

Like a cell phone with Web capability? Mine is T-mobile, for instance. Is 3G a provider, or a level of service? How widespread is it? Do you have to be in metro area?

You have to have your left hand out your kitchen window holding a piece of tinfoil while your left foot is stretched out just touching the toaster!

(hell ,,, you’re asking ME!?!?,,,I still have a 8 track player in my car ,,,)

87 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:33:03pm

re: #77 Joshua Cohen

Blender

[Link: www.blender.org…]

88 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

You have to have your left hand out your kitchen window holding a piece of tinfoil while your left foot is stretched out just touching the toaster!

(hell ,,, you’re asking ME!?!?,,,I still have a 8 track player in my car ,,,)

You left out the “hokey pokey” part.
/heh

89 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:34:48pm

re: #75 Nevergiveup
SteveC posted a link to a report about Canada stocking up on ventilators in prep for flu outbreak. Look at those tiny numbers. Stockpile 500! DFW area hospitals have more ventilators! I do not want that system.

90 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:35:46pm

re: #81 ShanghaiEd

Like a cell phone with Web capability? Mine is T-mobile, for instance. Is 3G a provider, or a level of service? How widespread is it? Do you have to be in metro area?

More info. from the Kindle site:
Battery Life: Read on a single charge for up to 4 days with wireless on. Turn wireless off and read for up to two weeks. Battery life will vary based on wireless usage, such as shopping the Kindle Store and downloading content. In low coverage areas or in 1xRTT only coverage, wireless usage will consume battery power more quickly.

Charge Time: Fully charges in approximately 4 hours and supports charging from your computer via the included USB 2.0 cable.

Connectivity: EVDO modem with fallback to 1xRTT; utilizes Amazon Whispernet to provide U.S wireless coverage via Sprint’s 3G high-speed data network. Check our wireless coverage map for availability. This expanded coverage is only available for Kindle. See Wireless Terms and Conditions.

91 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:36:11pm

re: #81 ShanghaiEd

Like a cell phone with Web capability? Mine is T-mobile, for instance. Is 3G a provider, or a level of service? How widespread is it? Do you have to be in metro area?

A level of service.
Depends on area you are in. Metro areas are usually better equipped. Maps with covered areas are available at your provider.

92 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:36:28pm

re: #85 yochanan

The “Expert” was, of course, a woodpecker.
/removes “Master of the Obvious Deduction” hat

93 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:36:40pm

re: #46 callahan23

I posted this in the previous thread already:

OF SOME NOTE:
Those of you who are so inclined please pray for Realwest. Cancer test results - he is not well now. The others do wish him well, please, he is one of us. An original Lizard as one can be and a real good mensch.
Last but not least he is a friend of mine and that counts for something.
- - - -
I am actually crying now.
- - - -
See you all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

{callahan23}
{realwest}

I am so saddened by this news. Realwest and you will be in my prayers.

94 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:36:44pm

re: #81 ShanghaiEd

Like a cell phone with Web capability? Mine is T-mobile, for instance. Is 3G a provider, or a level of service? How widespread is it? Do you have to be in metro area?

Coverage map

95 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:27pm

re: #92 NelsFree

can’t give that away in telling the joke could i?

96 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:35pm

re: #82 legalpad

Yeah, now they despise him, after their usual mindless process elected him.

They despised him all along. NWO troofers are the Ron Paul types. And now it looks like some of the nuttier paleo-con right wingers are getting in on the act as well.

97 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:41pm

re: #71 Nevergiveup

A 9-month wait for arthritis treatment: Delay can mean a lifetime of agony for victims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Another dandy British import: Socialized medicine?

But…but…medical care in America sucks. Just ask IceWeasel.

98 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:23pm

The American Dairy Association was working on a competitor to the Kindle. They gave up after they named it…The Curdle!
/h

99 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:41:31pm

Does the Kindle 2 have a design flaw? Lawsuit says yes

Just throw’in it out there, I’m not that familiar with the Kindle at all…

100 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:41:41pm

re: #82 legalpad

Yeah, now they despise him, after their usual mindless process elected him.

I don’t think so. The NWO Troofers I’ve read about despised Obama from the beginning…as they did all the other candidates…because he/they would not acknowledge the Truth, natch.

101 JacksonTn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:42:12pm

For Real … don’t you ever give up … ever …

Brothers In Arms …

Youtube Video
102 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:42:43pm

The Fort Worth mayor says his recent apology wasn’t for a law enforcement raid of a gay bar

[Link: www.chron.com…]

Did they go in by the back door?

103 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:43:31pm

Some of you may have seen this already. If not it’s pretty good regarding health care in Canada. It’s by Steven Crowder so there’s plenty of humor along the way.

ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!

Youtube Video
104 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:43:52pm

re: #95 yochanan

can’t give that away in telling the joke could i?

/puts on “Master of Comedic Timing” hat
Yo, the fact that the expert flys over to the piece of wood was indeciperable otherwise. Ghost? Wil ‘O the Wisp? Dijiin? Superman? Even Wonder Woman would have lassoed the wood and made it tell the truth. Clearly, the joke needed a bit more, shall we say, background.
/removes “Master of Comedic Timing” hat
Beer?
SSSsssnnnik-Gpah!

105 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:02pm

re: #87 NelsFree

Blender

[Link: www.blender.org…]

I do not think so - and yes I use it for quick visualizations. But it can not handle the most CAD demands in a appropriate manner.
This includes calculations and producing of ISO compatible engineering drawings or slices of objects and these stuff. unfortunately :(

106 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:07pm

re: #99 Yankee Division Son

Does the Kindle 2 have a design flaw? Lawsuit says yes

Just throw’in it out there, I’m not that familiar with the Kindle at all…

Yikes!
I have a cover,but it isn’t the amazon one - mine uses a strip of elastic at each corner to secure the device in the cover.

107 ladycatnip  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:28pm

realwest - putting you on a global prayer list. We’re all sending up prayers on your behalf. You’re in our hearts as well.

108 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:59pm

re: #89 snowcrash

SteveC posted a link to a report about Canada stocking up on ventilators in prep for flu outbreak. Look at those tiny numbers. Stockpile 500! DFW area hospitals have more ventilators! I do not want that system.

There are more than four times as many Magnetic Resonance Imaging units (MRIs) per capita in the United States as in Britain or Canada, where there are government-run medical systems. There are more than twice as many CT scanners per capita in the United States as in Canada and more than four times as many per capita as in Britain.


Alice in Medical Care
By Thomas Sowell
I’m not interested, either.

109 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:46:57pm

Good evening lizards. I just joined in a photo project for my community. 100 people taking 27 pictures each (disposable cameras). The photos will go on display in September. Got my first shot of a pretty pinto mare and her little 3 1/2 mo. old colt. Precious, I so hope it turns out.

110 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:47:35pm

The Perpetuum Jazzile - an a cappella jazz choir from Slovenia. The group has amazing voices.

They are singing Toto’s “Africa”. The beginning of this video is really striking. Group members simulate an African thunderstorm with their hands. There are no real instruments - any sounds you hear that sound like drums or other instruments are being made by the singers.

Youtube Video
111 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:48:06pm

re: #77 Joshua Cohen

OT: Anybody a suggestion for a good and up to date CAD program? That runs under Linux? Is 3D capable? Has a native user interface?
Something like Catia…ProE…Inventor…Solidworks…that can animate motions and do some FEM calculations? Has useful part libraries?

And yes I am willing to pay for such a thing, but I am not longer willing to use VM or even a real Windows for only that task.

You might check into DesignCAD- does everything you mentioned for (usually) less than $100. It has pretty extensive import/ export capabilities too, although I don’t believe it can deal with Catia, Solidworks or ProE (although few packages for unde about $8-9K will). It’s Windows based, but as I understand it that should run under Linux(?). I bought the DOS based 2D version about 25 years ago and have kept it updated. I’ve been happy with it, used it for machine shop drawings, free-lance computer enclosure design, etc.

112 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:48:15pm

re: #100 ShanghaiEd

I don’t think so. The NWO Troofers I’ve read about despised Obama from the beginning…as they did all the other candidates…because he/they would not acknowledge the Truth, natch.

Oh, as in New World Order. I guess I never paid too much attention to them. I was just thinking the general Bush-did it people contributed to Obamas election. I think you have more detailed knowledge of these crazies.

113 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:48:37pm

It’s July 16 here in the UK.

Inspiral Carpets - Saturn 5

Youtube Video

Saturn 5, you really were the greatest sight
Stretching out on a summer’s day
Houston, it’s calling me back to her
An eagle lands, and a planet full of people raises it’s hands
All hail the men who will walk up in heaven today

114 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:49:54pm

re: #96 Jimmah

They despised him all along. NWO troofers are the Ron Paul types. And now it looks like some of the nuttier paleo-con right wingers are getting in on the act as well.

I think you’re right, Jimmah. In my #100, I should have said “all the other major candidates.”

I was wondering how Paul handled the subject of Troof during the debates, and it occurs to me the question may never have been asked. Anybody know Paul’s position?

115 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:50:02pm

re: #101 JacksonTn

Excellent choice, JTn.

116 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:50:05pm

re: #96 Jimmah
Did you say New Order? lol

117 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:50:42pm

re: #85 yochanan

well with the mention of birch and oak i remember a joke

Two guys in a lumber yard were arguing what kind of wood this board was any one can tell what walnut or cherry looks like but some of the plainner boards are hard to tell so in flys an expert and they both say this guy would know what kind of wood it was so they ask him

Here’s another:

Blind guy applies for a job grading wood for a lumber yard, and the boss asks “How the hell can you grade wood if you can’t see ?

Blind guys says, Sense of smell, never fails me”
The boss not wanted any trouble decides to let the guy have a shot.
The blind guy stands at the end of the conveyer and they shoot a board down under his nose.
The blind guy yells out “pine”
Next board “oak”, then “cedar” and on an on for over a hour without missing a beat.
By then, the entire office is out watching the blind guy and the boss gets a idea.
Looking at the secretary, he said “Linda, lay down on the belt”, and off she goes under the blind guys nose.
The blind guys says “Wait !, turn that last board over and send it down again”
The boss holding back a laugh has Linda flip over and head her down the line.
The blind guys pauses, and says
“It’s old lumber, is it the shit house door from the fish market ?”

118 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:50:43pm

re: #109 Pvt Bin Jammin

(disposable cameras)

Oh please tell me more about this project! (I am one of these friends of the old traditional analog photography with a own lab in the basement)

119 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:51:07pm

re: #97 MandyManners

But…but…medical care in America sucks. Just ask IceWeasel.

Things I am looking forward to under Obamacare:

1. Three hour ER trips for stitches become 23 hour ER trips for stitches.

2. My children will become so knowledgeable in self-care, as they learn it’s easier to try to fix some things at home than wait in line.

3. Lovely trips to Mexico to pay for private care—I can travel with the Canadians.

4. Being told that the government has deemed epidurals “unnecessary” and “costly.”

5. Being told that the government has deemed my elderly relatives “unnecessary” and “costly.”*

6. More special time with any tumors I may grow.

7. Really getting into a tough, can-do attitude, should I develop arthritis.

8. Extra vitamins in the water in my vases, should I be hospitalized. **

9. If I get the flu, I’ll be hospitalized on a bus.*** I can pretend I’m on vacation, because all the vacation money was spent on treatment in Mexico.

10. Knowing that I do have four doctors and two nurses in the family, so at least I’ll get immediate care if I collapse at a family reunion.

*See Peter Singer’s latest article.

**Actually happened in England. Patients were drinking vase water because the nurses were too hard to find.

***Again, actually happened in England. A flu outbreak overwhelmed the system.

120 OccamsRazor  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:51:27pm

Amazon Finalizing Launch Date for British Kindle…

And due to Sharia Law being declared in Britain, the new Kindle will only read from right to left.

121 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:52:12pm

Smokin’ hole in the ground, Iran plane crash footage.
168 dead.

Liveleak Video
122 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:53:20pm

re: #117 avanti

Another liberal who is just a fucking sexist pig.

123 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:54:15pm

re: #121 jcm

Very sad. I keep wanting better for the Iranians.

124 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:54:30pm
125 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:54:39pm

re: #119 EmmmieG

Now that bummed me out.

126 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:55:13pm

re: #116 snowcrash

New order?

127 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:55:50pm

It’s re: #122 MandyManners

Another liberal who is just a fucking sexist pig.

It’s a crude joke Mandy, they tend to be sexist against either one sex or the other.

128 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:17pm

re: #125 MandyManners

Now that bummed me out.

Didn’t mean to bum you out. My brain is still in recuperation from a full day at cub scout camp, but I’m going back for more punishment tomorrow.

129 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:27pm

re: #123 EmmmieG

Very sad. I keep wanting better for the Iranians.

Again the Mad Mullahs bent on destruction. If it weren’t for the regime, Iran could have new airplanes and maintain the ones it has.

130 jaunte  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:29pm

re: #117 avanti

That was not something that should be posted here.

131 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #127 avanti

It’s

It’s a crude joke Mandy, they tend to be sexist against either one sex or the other.

you are hardly as funny as you think…

132 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:57:38pm

re: #128 EmmmieG

Didn’t mean to bum you out. My brain is still in recuperation from a full day at cub scout camp, but I’m going back for more punishment tomorrow.

Is it bruised?

133 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:58:10pm

re: #117 avanti

What in the world were you thinking when you posted that?

134 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:58:12pm
135 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:59:02pm

re: #118 Joshua Cohen

It’s called the Altadena, CA project. 100 residents will be be taking pictures in and around our community for the next two weeks, of whatever we like. It’s a foothill community with lots of flora and fauna, horse property, mansions, poverty stricken areas, etc. Many artists and entertainers live here. So did Rodney King. LOL I think it is going to be fun. My best photographic talent is composition so I’ll probably get a little picky. We are at the bottom of these mountains:

[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu…]

Hat tip Ojoe.

136 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:59:36pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Coverage map

Wow! Thanks, Reine. Each day, I come away from LGF a little bit less ignorant.

(Hard to believe that I was an “early adopter” of computer/electronic devices in my youth. Nowadays, I feel like the technology is receding from me at light speed, and I can’t catch up.)

137 ladycatnip  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:59:36pm

Drudge is batting a thousand tonight - this just in - NC legislature clothesline bill hung out to dry… along with people’s unmentionables, global warming gets thrown into the mix.

Politics is becoming more and more like a circus.

138 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:59:57pm

re: #135 Pvt Bin Jammin

I’ve been to the driving range in Altadena many times.
Nice people.

139 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:59:58pm

re: #127 avanti

It’s

It’s a crude joke Mandy, they tend to be sexist against either one sex or the other.

And it never crossed your mind that this was not the place or the time to post that joke?

140 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #111 revobob

You might check into DesignCAD

It looks good - but as far as I can see it needs a emulator - something like Wine - what causes the performance problems I’m trying to solve.

141 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:18pm

re: #128 EmmmieG

Didn’t mean to bum you out. My brain is still in recuperation from a full day at cub scout camp, but I’m going back for more punishment tomorrow.


Probably got Tenderfeet, too.

142 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:43pm

re: #117 avanti
Loser joke.

143 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:44pm

re: #132 MandyManners

Is it bruised?

More just muddled from heat and from saying, “Stop that, don’t do that, sticks stay on the ground,” eight hundred times.

144 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:49pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Wow. Upding. Do you have any more?

145 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:52pm

re: #116 snowcrash

Did you say New Order? lol

Youtube Video

It goes without saying that New Order were a part of the New World Order ;-)

146 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:11pm

re: #138 J.D.

I’ve been to the driving range in Altadena many times.
Nice people.

Why thanks! We like it here.

147 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:11pm

Ah HA!

Remember how I’ve been saying recently that I’ve been getting a lot of fatwas and death threats from Turkey over the last few weeks, after the Mohemmed Image Archive was posted in several Turkish jihadi hacker forums? Well…I knew they were trying to take down zombietime, and I think I just discovered why my site is offline — a DDS attack coming out of Turkey!

I was finally able to see some of the access logs for zombietime, and it says this for the last week:

Country     visitors
Turkey   tr   14,937,245
United States   us   216,901

So — only 216,901 people in the US have seen the report on my site! The rest are “visits” from Turkey, which are obviously not real visits, since there are 14,937,245 of them. Some kind of automated DDS since last night, it seems.

Now I will try to figure out how to block a whole country. See if that bring zombietime back online.

148 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:24pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Coverage map

I think the 3g refers to the speed of the service and the volume of information it can transmit…3 gigahertz.

149 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:29pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

And it never crossed your mind that this was not the place or the time to post that joke?

morons are unpredictable…liberals are not

150 Bobblehead  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:32pm

How come they get WiFi and we don’t? *pouts*

151 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:04pm

re: #121 jcm

Smokin’ hole in the ground, Iran plane crash footage.
168 dead.

Something tells me they do not practice recognized, international maintenance standards.

/Gee. Why am I concerned about Iranian nuclear plants?

152 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:23pm

re: #130 jaunte

That was not something that should be posted here.

Sorry, should I have included the some obscene words in it ? I just recalled the joke because of the previous one, sorry if I offended. I’ve seen some pretty nasty language used on here and it did not occur to me that I’d upset the Lizards.

153 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:27pm

back.

Which circle of Hell?
Whad I mith?

154 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:52pm

re: #137 ladycatnip

Drudge is batting a thousand tonight - this just in - NC legislature clothesline bill hung out to dry… along with people’s unmentionables, global warming gets thrown into the mix.

Politics is becoming more and more like a circus.

It’s not a clothesline, it’s a solar powered carbon neutral zero emission apparel dryer.

How could anybody object to one of those?

155 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:03:35pm

re: #152 avanti

Sorry, should I have included the some obscene words in it ? I just recalled the joke because of the previous one, sorry if I offended. I’ve seen some pretty nasty language used on here and it did not occur to me that I’d upset the Lizards.

That wasn’t an apology, was it?

156 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:03:43pm

re: #117 avanti

Down, boy, DOWN!
/not your shining moment there, Chief

157 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:03:51pm

What is next? Libs are going to be complaining about Global Warming raising ocean levels when there freekin e-books get water logged when they are reading on the beach next year? HORRORS!!! Poor Algore!
“It did not happen last year when we had 1 foot more sand at the beach front” Take that, John Q public, and stick it in your margarita!

158 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:02pm

re: #140 Joshua Cohen

It looks good - but as far as I can see it needs a emulator - something like Wine - what causes the performance problems I’m trying to solve.

I’m far from expert- tend to buy something that does what I need to do, learn enough to do it, then let it be. When I was first shopping for CAD software, the computer magazines regularly ran comparison tests of different types of software. I bought DesignCAD because it averaged 2nd or 3rd (after AutoCAD) in most of those tests. I don’t know it they still do that, but that might be a way to search.

159 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:05pm

re: #148 BignJames

I think the 3g refers to the speed of the service and the volume of information it can transmit…3 gigahertz.

I think it means 3rd Generation.

160 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:13pm

re: #147 zombie

I figured it must be some kind of attack. I’ve been trying to access your site all day.

161 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:15pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Coverage map

Full Coverage! It doesn’t always pay to live in this part of Oregon, but sometimes it does.

162 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #143 EmmmieG

More just muddled from heat and from saying, “Stop that, don’t do that, sticks stay on the ground,” eight hundred times.

How many more days?

163 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:49pm

re: #152 avanti

Sorry, should I have included the some obscene words in it ? I just recalled the joke because of the previous one, sorry if I offended. I’ve seen some pretty nasty language used on here and it did not occur to me that I’d upset the Lizards.

fuck off…a lot does not occur to you…your ridiculous attempts to fit in are boring

164 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:04:59pm

re: #114 ShanghaiEd

I think you’re right, Jimmah. In my #100, I should have said “all the other major candidates.”

I was wondering how Paul handled the subject of Troof during the debates, and it occurs to me the question may never have been asked. Anybody know Paul’s position?

IIRC he sort of denied it one time he was cornered, but his followers ‘understood’ that there’s a limit on what he could say in public. Not entirely sure though.

165 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:05:03pm

re: #162 MandyManners

How many more days?

I’m only signed up for one more.

166 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:05:12pm

re: #135 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks for sharing! I take a look on it.

167 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:05:46pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

And it never crossed your mind that this was not the place or the time to post that joke?

Nope, this one got a upding, and I thought it was also off color:

“it is the finest piece of ash I have put my pecker into”

I read it, reminded me of another joke, and I posted it.

168 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:05:57pm

re: #147 zombie

Ah HA!

Remember how I’ve been saying recently that I’ve been getting a lot of fatwas and death threats from Turkey over the last few weeks, after the Mohemmed Image Archive was posted in several Turkish jihadi hacker forums? Well…I knew they were trying to take down zombietime, and I think I just discovered why my site is offline — a DDS attack coming out of Turkey!

I was finally able to see some of the access logs for zombietime, and it says this for the last week:

Country     visitors
Turkey   tr   14,937,245
United States   us   216,901

So — only 216,901 people in the US have seen the report on my site! The rest are “visits” from Turkey, which are obviously not real visits, since there are 14,937,245 of them. Some kind of automated DDS since last night, it seems.

Now I will try to figure out how to block a whole country. See if that bring zombietime back online.

GOOD WORK Zom!

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:06:35pm

Here’s another depressing thought: How much do you want to bet nobody reads this bill, either?

170 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:06:52pm

re: #133 reine.de.tout

Have you tried using vinegar to reduce the sliminess or okra? Does it work?

171 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:06:56pm

re: #148 BignJames

I think the 3g refers to the speed of the service and the volume of information it can transmit…3 gigahertz.

3G stands for 3rd generation technology.

172 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #152 avanti

Sorry, should I have included the some obscene words in it ? I just recalled the joke because of the previous one, sorry if I offended. I’ve seen some pretty nasty language used on here and it did not occur to me that I’d upset the Lizards.

You really are a gormless git.

173 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:07:51pm

re: #166 Joshua Cohen

Thanks for sharing! I take a look on it.

[Link: www.altadenablog.com…]

174 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:07:53pm

re: #172 MandyManners
Is that like clueless twit?

175 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:19pm

re: #165 EmmmieG

I’m only signed up for one more.

Well, bless your heart for doing it.

176 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:29pm

Aghhh! Not as easy as I had hoped!

Anybody here know how to block access to an entire country, from accessing a Web site? Any suggestions appreciated. I have an “IP Deny Manager” on my “control panel,” but you can’t enter country domains—only numerical domains. I need to block everything coming out of “tr”.

177 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:31pm

re: #174 snowcrash

Is that like clueless twit?

Yep.

178 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:33pm

re: #161 EmmmieG

Full Coverage! It doesn’t always pay to live in this part of Oregon, but sometimes it does.

Careful! Coverage is just half of the truth! What you can do and the speed of the connection depends on a lot of things.

I should know the details - but can’t remember all of it - must be the age.

179 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:48pm

re: #159 Joshua Cohen

re: #171 Erik The Red

Ok…how’d I miss the first 2?

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:14pm

re: #169 EmmmieG

Here’s another depressing thought: How much do you want to bet nobody reads this bill, either?

You mean like the Patriot Act or a million other bills passed in the last hundred years?

181 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:27pm

re: #175 MandyManners

Well, bless your heart for doing it.

Thanks. I am looking forward to spending the day with this particular son. He’s the quiet one that sometimes gets forgotten because he’s not causing any trouble.

182 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:28pm

re: #179 BignJames

re: #171 Erik The Red

Ok…how’d I miss the first 2?

Coma? :)

183 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:49pm

re: #167 avanti

Nope, this one got a upding, and I thought it was also off color:

“it is the finest piece of ash I have put my pecker into”

I read it, reminded me of another joke, and I posted it.

When in doubt and finding no other way out, apologize and plead intoxication.

184 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:10:08pm

re: #169 EmmmieG

Here’s another depressing thought: How much do you want to bet nobody reads this bill, either?

Last night, the Senate Appropriations Committee approved 29-1 the State Department and foreign affairs legislation. The bill would provide $628.5 million for family planning programs, including $50 million for the U.N. Population Fund.

185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:10:47pm

Ugh. LGF is bogging down again. I thought I fixed the problem.

186 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:31pm

re: #169 EmmmieG

Here’s another depressing thought: How much do you want to bet nobody reads this bill, either?

You know. I would think if someone could write it, they could read it. I’ve taken classes where we had to cover 70 pages a day. They seem to make no effort, via their staff or anything else.

187 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:37pm

re: #111 revobob

You might check into DesignCAD- does everything you mentioned for (usually) less than $100. It has pretty extensive import/ export capabilities too, although I don’t believe it can deal with Catia, Solidworks or ProE (although few packages for unde about $8-9K will). It’s Windows based, but as I understand it that should run under Linux(?). I bought the DOS based 2D version about 25 years ago and have kept it updated. I’ve been happy with it, used it for machine shop drawings, free-lance computer enclosure design, etc.

Late follow-up. I’m not an engineer (or a CAD competent person), but I’ve used DesignCAD and I like it, but we don’t have it at work right now.

188 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #172 MandyManners

You really are a gormless git.

Upding for that Mandy, much milder and civil comment considering.

189 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

When in doubt and finding no other way out, apologize and plead intoxication.

He won’t and if he does it is too late. He had the chance when 2M jump on him the first time. He didn’t,just made excuses.

190 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:55pm

re: #184 jcm

Last night, the Senate Appropriations Committee approved 29-1 the State Department and foreign affairs legislation. The bill would provide $628.5 million for family planning programs, including $50 million for the U.N. Population Fund.

We are somewhere between fools and willing accomplices for giving the UN anything until they clean house in a serious way. I mean an Agean stables kind of way.

191 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:58pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

When in doubt and finding no other way out, apologize and plead intoxication.


Can I do that pre-emptively? Because if I drink enough to go off color, I will probably not realize it then… “I’m sorry, I will be intossicamacated!”

192 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:24pm

re: #191 revobob

Can I do that pre-emptively? Because if I drink enough to go off color, I will probably not realize it then… “I’m sorry, I will be intossicamacated!”


Don’t worry, they’re only picking on him because he’s a liberal.

193 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:28pm

OK, I need the help of some experts!

If I can’t block a national domain, I can block a large portion of the country I think by blocking anything that starts with the most common Turkish IP addresses. Scanning the logs, it seems that most of them are coming from 78.xxx.xx.xxx or 88.xxx.xx.xxx. So I can just block everything that starts with 78 or 88.

HOWEVER, how can I find out if ALL the “78”s and ALL the “88”s are coming from Turkey? Is there a list somewhere of which prefixes are reserved for which country? Could it be possible that some of “78”s are in the US?

194 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:30pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

When in doubt and finding no other way out, apologize and plead intoxication.

Can I apologize and plead preintoxication, because I intend to get a buzz ?

195 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:34pm

re: #176 zombie

Aghhh! Not as easy as I had hoped!

Anybody here know how to block access to an entire country, from accessing a Web site? Any suggestions appreciated. I have an “IP Deny Manager” on my “control panel,” but you can’t enter country domains—only numerical domains. I need to block everything coming out of “tr”.

You can get the country domains here:

[Link: www.dnscrawler.com…]

Go to the “country information” field and enter “tr”

196 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

You mean like the Patriot Act or a million other bills passed in the last hundred years?

who didn’t read the Patriot Act?

197 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:54pm

re: #140 Joshua Cohen

It looks good - but as far as I can see it needs a emulator - something like Wine - what causes the performance problems I’m trying to solve.

Dear Joshua,

I’m sensing a pattern here:
“how about this one”
Nope, no good
“how about that one”
Nope, needs stuff to work
“well, how about the other one”
Nope, not fully capable
“Well, it looks like we just can’t help you tonight. A thank you, at least, for trying, would be nice. Hey, I’ve got an idea. Why don’t you Google for what you want, then try free downloads! Works for me!”
Nope, LGF is faster
“I give up”

198 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:05pm

re: #184 jcm

Last night, the Senate Appropriations Committee approved 29-1 the State Department and foreign affairs legislation. The bill would provide $628.5 million for family planning programs, including $50 million for the U.N. Population Fund.


And they need family planning because…they’re not planning on getting jobs?

199 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:22pm

re: #191 revobob

Can I do that pre-emptively? Because if I drink enough to go off color, I will probably not realize it then… “I’m sorry, I will be intossicamacated!”

Sure I think we should all get a few get out of jail cards free. Just remember, don’t puke on the keyboard, especially if it’s a laptop?

200 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:55pm

re: #186 legalpad

You know. I would think if someone could write it, they could read it. I’ve taken classes where we had to cover 70 pages a day. They seem to make no effort, via their staff or anything else.

With all the staff they have, couldn’t they have an ‘executive summary’ or ‘cliff notes’ version?

201 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:15:01pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Don’t worry, they’re only picking on him because he’s a liberal.

Trust me, I’d jump down a conservative’s throat for that.

202 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:15:33pm

re: #135 Pvt Bin Jammin

Not a bad pick. But we have something back east that is apparently illegal in the state of California. There called trees. They actually come in forests. Try one. You might like it ;-)

203 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:15:35pm

re: #184 jcm

Last night, the Senate Appropriations Committee approved 29-1 the State Department and foreign affairs legislation. The bill would provide $628.5 million for family planning programs, including $50 million for the U.N. Population Fund.

I don’t know about this. I’d like to stop funding the rest of the world, but …

There are people ignorant enough that they don’t know how they make babies or even that it can be prevented. I’d like to to think that education and contraception would solve this, but I haven’t seen much proof. There are so many unwanted children being exploited in the world.

It is a tough issue for me.

204 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:24pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Have you tried using vinegar to reduce the sliminess or okra? Does it work?

KT, try stir-frying the okra without any watery vegetables. Chop it as little as possible, and it develops a lot les slime.

205 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:31pm

re: #195 Gus 802

You can get the country domains here:

[Link: www.dnscrawler.com…]

Go to the “country information” field and enter “tr”

Ugh. That gives me a list of like 200 IP address “blocks.” No way can I enter all 200, manually.

206 jaunte  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:35pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Don’t worry, they’re only picking on him because he’s a liberal.

I find jokes about women smelling like fish and shit unacceptable, no matter what politics the teller professes.

207 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:49pm

re: #117 avanti

You are an asshole.

208 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:51pm

re: #191 revobob

Can I do that pre-emptively? Because if I drink enough to go off color, I will probably not realize it then… “I’m sorry, I will be intossicamacated!”

During the Middle Ages, you could purchase an Indulgence from the Catholic Church. Of course, that led to Martin Luther nailing his list of grievances on the door of his Church (in Hamburg?), which led to the Protestant Reformation.
So, I wouldn’t try to cause a schism over it.

209 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:17:14pm

re: #196 albusteve

Ron Paul - Patriot Act - NOBODY READ IT!

Youtube Video

Fahrenheit 9/11

Youtube Video
210 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:17:19pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout
Nope, it was a loser joke. I don’t care what his political leanings are.

211 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:17:42pm

re: #205 zombie

Ugh. That gives me a list of like 200 IP address “blocks.” No way can I enter all 200, manually.

Yeah. It does have ranges for the 78s and 88s though.

212 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:02pm

re: #202 hous bin pharteen

Not a bad pick. But we have something back east that is apparently illegal in the state of California. There called trees. They actually come in forests. Try one. You might like it ;-)


We have those here too- coming here from Minnesota (BEFORE Ventura and Franken!) I had friends visit. They were surprised when I showed them that the famous Redwood Forests are called that because the palm tress are planted in Redwood boxes!

213 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:05pm

re: #206 jaunte

I find jokes about women smelling like fish and shit unacceptable, no matter what politics the teller professes.

I think Killgore needs a girlfriend

214 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:18pm

re: #196 albusteve

who didn’t read the Patriot Act?

No body did, all conservative politicians are worthless. It’s amazing that the progressives even spend two seconds of their time dealing with conservatives.

Maybe we can just pass a law that makes the Republican Party illegal?

215 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:23pm

re: #120 OccamsRazor

Amazon Finalizing Launch Date for British Kindle…

And due to Sharia Law being declared in Britain, the new Kindle will only read from right to left.

And no Hebrew books available!

216 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:26pm

re: #204 OldLineTexan

KT, try stir-frying the okra without any watery vegetables. Chop it as little as possible, and it develops a lot les slime.

Hmm, I’ll try that next time. Tonight I’m trying the vinegar thing.

217 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:35pm

re: #187 Unakite

Late follow-up. I’m not an engineer (or a CAD competent person), but I’ve used DesignCAD and I like it, but we don’t have it at work right now.

Ok. After some reading - I think I have to stay with the Windows stuff.
It will be cheaper to use the licenses I have and buy a faster computer with much more Ram and do it on a VM than anything else. I am not really happy with this but it looks like the only reasonable solution.

Thx for helping!

218 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:12pm

re: #198 BignJames

And they need family planning because…they’re not planning on getting jobs?

Skip to 0:55 into the video to Barbara Mikulski bilthering…

Youtube Video
219 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:21pm

re: #199 Nevergiveup

Sure I think we should all get a few get out of jail cards free. Just remember, don’t puke on the keyboard, especially if it’s a laptop?

Your karma takes a hit, then you shift and do better. It’s like the invisible fence. Wait, can we put a collar on Avanti? Who else? Killgore??
/oh, the pain!

220 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:24pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Your quoting Ron Paul to support your argument? Don’t you rake people over the coals who go to “Tea Parties” because Paulians are in control?

221 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:25pm

ILLINOIS LIZARDs —please read
Shameless spin-off plug, but it is for the Troops.

please forgive

222 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:45pm

good nite lizards

223 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:05pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Don’t worry, they’re only picking on him because he’s a liberal.

Possibly they are picking on him because that was a misogynist remark, not funny and it showed a total lack of any social skills. Other than that, you are right, he is a liberal.

224 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

No body did, all conservative politicians are worthless. It’s amazing that the progressives even spend two seconds of their time dealing with conservatives.

Maybe we can just pass a law that makes the Republican Party illegal?

Someone posted a link the the New Whig Party. Has there been a discussion about it?

225 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:34pm

re: #202 hous bin pharteen

Not a bad pick. But we have something back east that is apparently illegal in the state of California. There called trees. They actually come in forests. Try one. You might like it ;-)

I love the forest! We still have a few. Lake Tahoe is one of my favorite vacation spots.

226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:37pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

That was amazing!

227 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:52pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Have you tried using vinegar to reduce the sliminess or okra? Does it work?

My mom slicers the okra, breads it with cornf meal and flower (2:1) and then fries it in deep, extremely hot oil.

228 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:21:16pm

re: #203 ggt

I don’t know about this. I’d like to stop funding the rest of the world, but …

There are people ignorant enough that they don’t know how they make babies or even that it can be prevented. I’d like to to think that education and contraception would solve this, but I haven’t seen much proof. There are so many unwanted children being exploited in the world.

It is a tough issue for me.

I wind up feeling that way about most issues involving children…sometimes there are NO good answers

229 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:21:20pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul - Patriot Act - NOBODY READ IT!

Fahrenheit 9/11


[Video]

hahaha!…that doesn’t mean shit…you gotta do better than that

230 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:21:46pm

re: #224 ggt

Someone posted a link the the New Whig Party. Has there been a discussion about it?

We don;t need a whig party, we don’t need a third party, we need to outlaw all parties except the progressives. It will be the salvation of our country.

231 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:11pm

Fahrenheit 9/11 - for people who are too STUPID to be Troofers

232 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:17pm

re: #152 avanti

Sorry, should I have included the some obscene words in it ? I just recalled the joke because of the previous one, sorry if I offended. I’ve seen some pretty nasty language used on here and it did not occur to me that I’d upset the Lizards.

What a fucking lame fake apology.

233 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:22pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

How are the new digs?

234 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:24pm

re: #218 jcm

Skip to 0:55 into the video to Barbara Mikulski bilthering…



No wonder I stay in a pissy mood.

235 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:48pm

re: #220 Nevergiveup

Your quoting Ron Paul to support your argument? Don’t you rake people over the coals who go to “Tea Parties” because Paulians are in control?

Yes, therefore the idiot reference which applies to Mikey Moore too. Listenb to the quote at 1:30 of the Mikey Moore clip. This is nothing new and only complaining about it now is hypocritical. Where were your complaints 8 years ago? This is why nobody is going to take the complaints seriously.

236 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:23:20pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Don’t worry, they’re only picking on him because he’s a liberal.

I thought the joke was quite funny. Reminded me of ‘south park’ humour. If it were made by a genuinely misogynistic person, it wouldn’t be funny of course, but I doubt very much that Avanti fits that bill.

237 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:23:24pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

No body did, all conservative politicians are worthless. It’s amazing that the progressives even spend two seconds of their time dealing with conservatives.

Maybe we can just pass a law that makes the Republican Party illegal?

it was sort of shocking to see Senator what’s his name laughing about not reading the C?T bill out of the House

238 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #206 jaunte

I find jokes about women smelling like fish and shit unacceptable, no matter what politics the teller professes.

If that’s what you got from that stupid dirty joke, I understand the outrage. To be clear, I think women smell terrific.

239 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:24:10pm

re: #231 OldLineTexan

Fahrenheit 9/11 - for people who are too STUPID to be Troofers

BDS = ODS. No difference. The complaints are the same and they aren’t automatically smarter when they come from the right.

240 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:24:17pm

re: #228 srb1976

I wind up feeling that way about most issues involving children…sometimes there are NO good answers

But this doesn’t involve just children. The parents too are thrown into a situation they don’t understand or can’t handle. Many young women suffer because of pregnancies they don’t understand and bad care. I think they would like the option of waiting to be a mother.

I’m not sure education and contraception alone will change this. A bit cultural change has to happen. I think will have to be lead by the women. Much like in the developed world. Educating the women is the first step.

I don’t have a lot of confidence it will happen no matter how much money we throw at it.

241 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:24:34pm

re: #200 VioletTiger

With all the staff they have, couldn’t they have an ‘executive summary’ or ‘cliff notes’ version?

I would think. Maybe I can drop in Cornyns office here and grill his nice staff about it.

242 pink freud  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:24:40pm

re: #232 Alouette

What a fucking lame fake apology.

Last apology I got from a liberal: I’m sorry that you chose to be offended by my behavior.

243 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:25:07pm

OT, and I don’t want to derail the thread, but- can anyone give me the Cliff Notes version of the Jewish concept of an afterlife? I have friends who are Christian converts whose father is Jewish and dying.

244 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:25:15pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

BDS = ODS. No difference. The complaints are the same and they aren’t automatically smarter when they come from the right.

I don’t give a rat’s ass, because PDS is the SAME DAMNED THING.

245 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:02pm

re: #238 avanti
Not just Jauntay, that is what I got from that joke too.

246 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:04pm

re: #240 ggt

I think you’re probably right, I’m not sure what the answer is, but it will have to start with women…just making the education available is not going to get results

247 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:08pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Yes, therefore the idiot reference which applies to Mikey Moore too. Listenb to the quote at 1:30 of the Mikey Moore clip. This is nothing new and only complaining about it now is hypocritical. Where were your complaints 8 years ago? This is why nobody is going to take the complaints seriously.

I have NO complaints about the patriot act. And I’m consistent.

248 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:26pm

re: #242 pink freud

Last apology I got from a liberal: I’m sorry that you chose to be offended by my behavior.

I think that’s pretty standard for our “any means to an end” totalitarians who call themselves “progressives.”

249 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:40pm

Stuttering Little Midget —I love it! My new name for the Big Dick!

250 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:27:04pm

re: #203 ggt

I don’t know about this. I’d like to stop funding the rest of the world, but …

There are people ignorant enough that they don’t know how they make babies or even that it can be prevented. I’d like to to think that education and contraception would solve this, but I haven’t seen much proof. There are so many unwanted children being exploited in the world.

It is a tough issue for me.

I hear you…

It’s a tough one. But there are so many PEOPLE being exploited.

My objection is to 2/3rds of billion dollars for Federal Funding for “family planning” which a euphemism for Planned Parenthood and abortion providers. When we already such a bloody deep hole.

“Family Planning” in no way a domain of the Federal Government.

251 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:27:12pm

re: #238 avanti

If that’s what you got from that stupid dirty joke, I understand the outrage. To be clear, I think women smell terrific.

Gee Avanti, I kinda like ya, being Navy and all. But stop digging that hole.

252 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:27:27pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

BDS = ODS. No difference. The complaints are the same and they aren’t automatically smarter when they come from the right.


I think Obama’s a foolish naif on foreign policy and a dangerous socialist on domestic policy…does that mean I have ODS?

253 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:28:04pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

BDS = ODS. No difference. The complaints are the same and they aren’t automatically smarter when they come from the right.

nobody is complaining BO stole an election…BDS grew out of a completely untrue circumstance and grew into an out of control psychosis…where were you?…the two are hardly the same at all, unless you want to pervert the facts…something tells me you have not been around too long

254 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:28:42pm

re: #250 jcm

I hear you…

It’s a tough one. But there are so many PEOPLE being exploited.

My objection is to 2/3rds of billion dollars for Federal Funding for “family planning” which a euphemism for Planned Parenthood and abortion providers. When we already such a bloody deep hole.

“Family Planning” in no way a domain of the Federal Government.

I agree with you on that one.

255 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

Gee Avanti, I kinda like ya, being Navy and all. But stop digging that hole.

Let him dig. His karma has gotten to high anyways.

256 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:21pm

re: #254 ggt

I agree with you on that one.


And for darn sure NOT in other countries!!!

257 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:50pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

Gee Avanti, I kinda like ya, being Navy and all. But stop digging that hole.

lol
hI ngu..
Working the long hours?

258 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:58pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

We don’t need a whig party, we don’t need a third party, we need to outlaw all parties except the progressives. It will be the salvation of our country.

Outlawing political parties is extreme in either direction. I would encourage everyone to read The Federalist Papers No.10, in which James Madison gives the choice of Country vs. Party. An excerpt:
“There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.

There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.

It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.”

Walter, as much as I love ya, you bowler-wearing thespian, you are out of line on this one.
/your turn

259 sadhu  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:01pm

Kindle DX!

260 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:03pm

re: #256 revobob

And for darn sure NOT in other countries!!!

Somehow they all become OUR problem and responsibility.

I am living in the wrong universe.

261 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:09pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

BDS = ODS. No difference. The complaints are the same and they aren’t automatically smarter when they come from the right.

I’ve noticed that people with genuine cases of BDS and ODS both have the same ‘ability’ to be able to actually see the evil character of the person in question on their face. “Just look at his face” etc.

262 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:13pm

re: #243 revobob

OT, and I don’t want to derail the thread, but- can anyone give me the Cliff Notes version of the Jewish concept of an afterlife? I have friends who are Christian converts whose father is Jewish and dying.

Yes, Jews believe in an afterlife. Souls are judged according to the deeds they did during their lives. There is a “purgatory” (which can include reincarnation) for sins not repented, then eternal happiness for all good deeds performed.

263 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:26pm

re: #257 HoosierHoops

Hey 2H. Hope all is well with you.

264 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:31:27pm

Oh well, the afternoon was nice.

265 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:31:55pm

re: #197 NelsFree

I used google before asking but the results have not been very helpful. The chances to find someone an LGF who may have had some real life experience with maybe a roundabout way solution that is not mentioned in the common sources is quiet good.
Because it is strange that it seams that there is no real solution for it.

And sorry that I asked. I was reading LGF while working (more or less) - maybe some bad behavior.
I will try to become a better person!

266 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:03pm

re: #257 HoosierHoops

lol
hI ngu..
Working the long hours?

Nah. I’m home. I was off today from work but I went into the Navy Reserve Center today to buy donuts for whole place, bribes and all, and do some paper work so I could get paid. And Bullshit of course.

267 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:04pm

re: #262 Alouette

Yes, Jews believe in an afterlife. Souls are judged according to the deeds they did during their lives. There is a “purgatory” (which can include reincarnation) for sins not repented, then eternal happiness for all good deeds performed.

In Turtle Stackism their is ascendancy to the top turtle or an eternal fall off the stack into an infinite pile of turtle poop.

;-P

268 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:15pm

Good Evening LGF
All this firkin is just too much for one guy.

269 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:24pm

re: #262 Alouette

Yes, Jews believe in an afterlife. Souls are judged according to the deeds they did during their lives. There is a “purgatory” (which can include reincarnation) for sins not repented, then eternal happiness for all good deeds performed.


Thank you- I have lots of Christian sources here, but nothing on Judaism. Again, thanks!

270 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:24pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Oh well, the afternoon was nice.

Try a little PDS - it brightens up yer day! And, best of all, it’s APPROVED.

/

271 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:28pm

re: #252 BignJames

I think Obama’s a foolish naif on foreign policy and a dangerous socialist on domestic policy…does that mean I have ODS?

Nah. You’re fine. Take two aspirin and repeat daily.

272 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:46pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

Gee Avanti, I kinda like ya, being Navy and all. But stop digging that hole.

OK, let’s move on, no more dirty jokes from me, unless you want some Navy ones.

273 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:33:08pm

re: #270 OldLineTexan

Try a little PDS - it brightens up yer day! And, best of all, it’s APPROVED.

/

Nor Laup!

Eatay Artypay!

//

274 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:33:17pm

re: #136 ShanghaiEd

Wow! Thanks, Reine. Each day, I come away from LGF a little bit less ignorant.

(Hard to believe that I was an “early adopter” of computer/electronic devices in my youth. Nowadays, I feel like the technology is receding from me at light speed, and I can’t catch up.)

Yes, I come away every day a bit less ignorant too. It’s a grand place.

My former boss is retired, as is his wife. His wife is up-to-date on everything. He isn’t. He told me that his brain just no longer wanted to absorb the “new stuff”. I think we all reach a point in our lives where we just are no longer interested in absorbing complicated new things.

275 JacksonTn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:33:27pm

This has been one more day … tomorrow will be better …

Good Night Ya’ll …

Flying Too Close to the Ground …

Youtube Video

/prayers to Real …

276 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:33:54pm

re: #263 Erik The Red

Hey 2H. Hope all is well with you.

I am doing great…Hump day is almost over and we have an absolute beautiful weekend on deck…

277 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:15pm

re: #273 Gus 802

See? You feel better already, dontcha?

278 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:21pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

BDS = ODS. No difference. The complaints are the same and they aren’t automatically smarter when they come from the right.

Have we obtained that collar for Killgore yet?
/

279 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:36pm

re: #272 avanti

OK, let’s move on, no more dirty jokes from me, unless you want some Navy ones.

OOOhhh!! Sea stories!!

280 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:35:59pm

re: #277 OldLineTexan

See? You feel better already, dontcha?

Yeah, a little bit. =)

Maybe we can start a new one.

DOCS

Derangement Obsessive Compulsive Syndrome

281 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:36:46pm

re: #278 NelsFree

Have we obtained that collar for Killgore yet?
/

just such a bizarre statement…like getting history from a elementary picture book

282 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:36:48pm

re: #265 Joshua Cohen

I used google before asking but the results have not been very helpful. The chances to find someone an LGF who may have had some real life experience with maybe a roundabout way solution that is not mentioned in the common sources is quiet good.
Because it is strange that it seams that there is no real solution for it.

And sorry that I asked. I was reading LGF while working (more or less) - maybe some bad behavior.
I will try to become a better person!

We shall have a laying on of hands on keyboards across this great land to heal you, brother!

283 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:36:53pm

re: #279 BignJames

OOOhhh!! Sea stories!!

I once was talking a leak over the side from the O3 level with a shipmate and he commented that the water was cold, and I said “deep too”

284 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:37:10pm

re: #271 experiencedtraveller

Or if you want to get better, smoke 6 splibs, and call me in the morning for more.

285 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:37:19pm

re: #260 ggt

Somehow they all become OUR problem and responsibility.

I am living in the wrong universe.


Amen! I see the TV ads with the soft-speaking celebrity and the little limpid-eyed child asking for my “$.30 a day to fix little Jose or Maria up with clean water, shoes, and a school”. Then I think, okay, so Maria stays in school til she’s 12 or so, then starts producing her own little Jose’s and Rosas. I get angry with myself for thinking it, but what is the long-term benefit? “They” are going to demographically destroy “Us”, and then there will be no one to even try to find solutions.

286 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:38:41pm

re: #205 zombie

Ugh. That gives me a list of like 200 IP address “blocks.” No way can I enter all 200, manually.

Its possible but a config script is more usefull ;)
But it will not help. Using a proxy or TOR solution will break it.

287 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:04pm

re: #281 albusteve

just such a bizarre statement…like getting history from a an elementary picture book

interrogative WTF? Over

288 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:09pm

re: #282 NelsFree

We shall have a laying on of hands on keyboards across this great land to heal you, brother!

I’m no help. I want I-DEAS*2 on VMS, and NASTRAN on a Unix mainframe or one of those spiffy (and no doubt outdated) Alpha token-ring nets that NASA used to have. I don’t think you can buy that stuff anymore.

/

289 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:14pm

Following on from the sinister revelations about New Order posted upthread, I wonder what NWO troofers would make of this?

Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out

Youtube Video

“Well, it’s obviously a message to an NWO agent to go back in time (using the Large Hadron Collider - you didn’t seriously think it was for investigating matter did you?) to assassinate the Arch Duke of Austria and set off the chain of events that lead to the zionist-controlled prison planet we inhabit today.”

290 redneckkahfir  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:19pm

re: #77 Joshua Cohen

May I humbly suggest you look seriously at

[Link: www.solidworks.com…]

291 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:20pm

re: #283 avanti

I once was talking a leak over the side from the O3 level with a shipmate and he commented that the water was cold, and I said “deep too”


Used to work w/a guy who was in the Navy when they still wore flat hats.

292 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:40:10pm

Just a reminder—it’s NOT Obama Derangement Syndrome, it’s Obama DISGUST Syndrome.

Big difference there.

293 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:40:46pm

re: #291 BignJames

Used to work w/a guy who was in the Navy when they still wore flat hats.

Only saw a flat hat on the Cracker Jack box, when did they go away ?

294 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:40:58pm

re: #287 NelsFree

interrogative WTF? Over

whatever you say…

295 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:15pm

re: #292 irongrampa

Just a reminder—it’s NOT Obama Derangement Syndrome, it’s Obama DISGUST Syndrome.

Big difference there.

Uh-oh, looks like someone needs a little re-Neducation!

/Simpsons

296 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:26pm

re: #267 jcm

In Turtle Stackism their is ascendancy to the top turtle or an eternal fall off the stack into an infinite pile of turtle poop.

;-P


Hore: #278 NelsFree

Have we obtained that collar for Killgore yet?
/

Got the collar, but it needs more cowbell…

w does the bottom turtle resting on the post ever demonstrate a sufficiently exemplary life to get a rest, or at least to move up in the stack? (Even with a solid shell, we’re talkin some pretty serious weight here!)

297 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:52pm

re: #274 reine.de.tout

Yes, I come away every day a bit less ignorant too. It’s a grand place.

My former boss is retired, as is his wife. His wife is up-to-date on everything. He isn’t. He told me that his brain just no longer wanted to absorb the “new stuff”. I think we all reach a point in our lives where we just are no longer interested in absorbing complicated new things.

This is why I delay in getting a new cell phone.

298 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:52pm

re: #293 avanti

Only saw a flat hat on the Cracker Jack box, when did they go away ?


With sails.

299 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:42:05pm

re: #293 avanti

Only saw a flat hat on the Cracker Jack box, when did they go away ?

BTW.Avanti..Did you ever visit MINSY?

300 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:42:24pm

re: #292 irongrampa

Just a reminder—it’s NOT Obama Derangement Syndrome, it’s Obama DISGUST Syndrome.

Big difference there.

I am disgusted but, doesn’t the the D in ODS refers to Nirthers?

301 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:32pm

OK, I submitted a request to my ISP and asked them to fix it.

I only wish I had figured this out 24 hours ago.

302 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:39pm

Top Tax Rate Would Hit 1980s Level Under House Democrats’ Health Reform Proposal
The bill unveiled by House Democratic leaders Tuesday would create three new tax brackets for high earners, with a top rate of 45 percent for families making more than $1 million.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Youtube Video
303 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:44pm

re: #295 OldLineTexan

Uh-oh, looks like someone needs a little re-Neducation!

/Simpsons

Re-Neducation clip on Hulu

304 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:45pm

re: #245 snowcrash

Not just Jauntay, that is what I got from that joke too.

…quiet support, but that’s what I got, but…

305 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:49pm

re: #299 HoosierHoops

BTW.Avanti..Did you ever visit MINSY?

Nope, always home ported on the east coast, never out west.

306 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:51pm

re: #285 revobob

Amen! I see the TV ads with the soft-speaking celebrity and the little limpid-eyed child asking for my “$.30 a day to fix little Jose or Maria up with clean water, shoes, and a school”. Then I think, okay, so Maria stays in school til she’s 12 or so, then starts producing her own little Jose’s and Rosas. I get angry with myself for thinking it, but what is the long-term benefit? “They” are going to demographically destroy “Us”, and then there will be no one to even try to find solutions.

Does simple human kindness require a “long term benefit”? The fact that you get angry with yourself, at thinking that way, may be your self trying to tell you something. Just my two cents.

307 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:59pm

if BOs policies are not a NWO than what is?…some kook fringe group out in the fog?…liberals are imposing a culture on us that I would certainly call a NWO

308 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:44:12pm

re: #285 revobob

Amen! I see the TV ads with the soft-speaking celebrity and the little limpid-eyed child asking for my “$.30 a day to fix little Jose or Maria up with clean water, shoes, and a school”. Then I think, okay, so Maria stays in school til she’s 12 or so, then starts producing her own little Jose’s and Rosas. I get angry with myself for thinking it, but what is the long-term benefit? “They” are going to demographically destroy “Us”, and then there will be no one to even try to find solutions.

I look at a high level view. None of those problems are going to get any better as long as the world tolerates failed states, thugs looting countries, and the whole pandoras box of horrors those places entail.

And many of the worst abusers sit on the UNHRC.

309 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:44:15pm

re: #300 MandyManners

No, we’re referring to rational people in this instance.

310 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:44:45pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

Gee Avanti, I kinda like ya, being Navy and all. But stop digging that hole.

…I also agree, stop digging.

311 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:45:06pm

re: #285 revobob

Amen! I see the TV ads with the soft-speaking celebrity and the little limpid-eyed child asking for my “$.30 a day to fix little Jose or Maria up with clean water, shoes, and a school”. Then I think, okay, so Maria stays in school til she’s 12 or so, then starts producing her own little Jose’s and Rosas. I get angry with myself for thinking it, but what is the long-term benefit? “They” are going to demographically destroy “Us”, and then there will be no one to even try to find solutions.

And little boy students can produce many more than little Maria can. How do you explain to a young man who has little education and no real prospects in life to use a condom? He may not even have the money to buy them consistently. AND if his only out let is alcohol and sex, how is he going to take you seriously?

Perhaps a really obnoxious religion to scare the sh!t out of him? No, we know that doesn’t work either.

312 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:45:25pm

re: #294 albusteve

whatever you say…

Oh, dear, now you’re mad. Here, have a beer. Let’s sit on the porch swing and discuss this. I was mentioning punishment for undesireable posts, and stated that your karma took a hit, then you change behavior. It’s like the dog with its first encounter with the Invisible fence…Then I thought to my self,”self, what if we could put invisible fence collars on those Lizards who insist on posting inappropriate items?” The rest is history. My elementary color book will be out (on Kindle) this Fall.
How’s your beer?

313 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:46:48pm

Alinsky and Ayres would be proud of our NWO…what exactly do the words mean?…

314 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:47:57pm

re: #306 ShanghaiEd

Does simple human kindness require a “long term benefit”? The fact that you get angry with yourself, at thinking that way, may be your self trying to tell you something. Just my two cents.


Seems to me that is the cause of a lot of the trouble we have- trying to understand criminals instead of locking them up, entitlement programs instead of saying-“the schools are free- people who use them get ahead”, unlimited welfare, and so on and so on. It’s not easy to make tough, harsh calls, but the wallet isn’t bottomless either.

315 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:48:02pm

re: #291 BignJames

Used to work w/a guy who was in the Navy when they still wore flat hats.

I have a picture of my dad in his Navy uniform, which included a flat hat.

316 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:48:23pm

re: #312 NelsFree

Oh, dear, now you’re mad. Here, have a beer. Let’s sit on the porch swing and discuss this. I was mentioning punishment for undesireable posts, and stated that your karma took a hit, then you change behavior. It’s like the dog with its first encounter with the Invisible fence…Then I thought to my self,”self, what if we could put invisible fence collars on those Lizards who insist on posting inappropriate items?” The rest is history. My elementary color book will be out (on Kindle) this Fall.
How’s your beer?

haha!…I’m not mad…don’t be silly…you are too deep in and I don’t give a hoot about karma…but the beer sounds good

317 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:49:28pm

The Arabic news channel Al-Jazeera was forced today to suspend its operations in the West Bank, one day after a guest on the station accused the Palestinian President of playing a role in Yassir Arafat’s death.

The guest, Farouk Kaddoumi, said on a talk show yesterday – without presenting any evidence – that Mahmoud Abbas had played a role in the death five years ago of Arafat, the revered founder of the Palestinian national movement.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will, well in the Arab world they may get ya killed?

318 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:49:54pm

re: #311 ggt

And little boy students can produce many more than little Maria can. How do you explain to a young man who has little education and no real prospects in life to use a condom? He may not even have the money to buy them consistently. AND if his only out let is alcohol and sex, how is he going to take you seriously?

Perhaps a really obnoxious religion to scare the sh!t out of him? No, we know that doesn’t work either.

Family planning?

319 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:50:26pm

re: #305 avanti

Nope, always home ported on the east coast, never out west.

Ever get a continental bottom pinch?

320 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:50:55pm

re: #305 avanti

Nope, always home ported on the east coast, never out west.

20 years at MINSY…I left a big part of my heart there when Clinton shut us down…15000 of the best Nuclear sub workers in the world shit canned at the end of the cold war…Most of us went to other agencies…I left the Gov’t at that point…But I have a special place in my heart for Mare Island…My first job after college..I grew up there..

321 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:50:56pm

re: #302 Nevergiveup

Top Tax Rate Would Hit 1980s Level Under House Democrats’ Health Reform Proposal
The bill unveiled by House Democratic leaders Tuesday would create three new tax brackets for high earners, with a top rate of 45 percent for families making more than $1 million.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Youtube Video

You know it ain’t gonna stop there…when do the Bush tax cuts expire…next year? 2011? It won’t stop there, either.

322 NelsFree  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #316 albusteve

haha!…I’m not mad…don’t be silly…you are too deep in and I don’t give a hoot about karma…but the beer sounds good

/SSSssnnnk-gpaHha! (tinkle)
*hands beer*
I gotta go to bed now. Remember, Avanti can’t see his collar, because it’s from Invisible Fence!
G’nite all!

323 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:51:42pm

re: #225 Pvt Bin Jammin

I here Tahoe is nice. I am too spoiled on the East Coast. My favorite is Watkins Glen. Old F1 race track in wine country. Where you can race in the daylight, and sit by the lake and relax during the evening. Life does not get any better.

324 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:51:49pm

BTW…any prominent or vocal opposition members on that Iranian place that crashed?

Not unheard of for Tupolev’s to be falling out of the sky…but I’m wondering if Dinnerjacket and his mullah puppetmasters found anyone on that flight particularly inconvenient.

325 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:51:51pm

back later Lizards!

326 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:52:36pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

HH. I didn’t forget about you, just have a lot of things to do and you letter is still in my briefcase, untouched.

327 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:53:38pm

re: #302 Nevergiveup

Top Tax Rate Would Hit 1980s Level Under House Democrats’ Health Reform Proposal
The bill unveiled by House Democratic leaders Tuesday would create three new tax brackets for high earners, with a top rate of 45 percent for families making more than $1 million.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]


[Video]

Well, that leaves me out…

328 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:53:47pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

HH. I didn’t forget about you, just have a lot of things to do and you letter is still in my briefcase, untouched.

Kind Regards Walter

329 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:54:07pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

HH. I didn’t forget about you, just have a lot of things to do and you letter is still in my briefcase, untouched.

I carry a man purse myself…I find it chic and proggy…(it’s an old nylon 6pack cooler)

330 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:54:22pm

re: #314 revobob

Seems to me that is the cause of a lot of the trouble we have- trying to understand criminals instead of locking them up, entitlement programs instead of saying-“the schools are free- people who use them get ahead”, unlimited welfare, and so on and so on. It’s not easy to make tough, harsh calls, but the wallet isn’t bottomless either.

I’m not in favor of any of the things you mention, revobob. But I thought the subject was human compassion through organized charity, and I can never see that as a bad thing, especially helping children not die of disease or malnutrition.

Nobody has to participate, but my hat is off to all who do, and to volunteers who devote their lives to easing suffering. The Sermon on the Mount doesn’t say anything about a cost/benefit ratio. But, that’s just me.

331 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:54:24pm

re: #327 Unakite

Well, that leaves me out…

Just wait, hyperinflation may help you out …

332 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:55:44pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

Just wait, hyperinflation may help you out …

//But Bush…

/

333 ladycatnip  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:55:51pm

#110 reine.de.tout

You’ve started something! The video has so much traffic it won’t play anymore - loved it - and am sending the link to all my family and friends who love jazz.

334 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:56:14pm

re: #327 Unakite

Well, that leaves me out…

Me too, but I would do what I could to stop a theft in progress, even if the victim was “rich”.

335 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:56:18pm

re: #311 ggt

And little boy students can produce many more than little Maria can. How do you explain to a young man who has little education and no real prospects in life to use a condom? He may not even have the money to buy them consistently. AND if his only out let is alcohol and sex, how is he going to take you seriously?

Perhaps a really obnoxious religion to scare the sh!t out of him? No, we know that doesn’t work either.


I agree! I guess part of my unhappiness is seeing the liberals apparently trying to exercise unlimited largesse at the individual level and simultaneously dodge any responsibility for dealing with the larger issues. At the age of 61 I’ve seen a fair amount and I just feel that it’s time for people everywhere to own up and begin taking responsibilty for their own behavior. And if other countries have looters instead of leaders, I don’t know what to do about that, but I do feel that my grandchildrens’ futures are already over-mortgaged, and we cannot keep bailing everybody out.

336 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:00pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Have you tried using vinegar to reduce the sliminess or okra? Does it work?

Killgore are you still here?

I don’t usually eat just boiled okra, it’s always slimy.
I will eat “okra and tomatoes”, or fried okra (it’s cut into disks, battered and fried) or pickeled okra.

Here is a Paula Deen recipe for okra and tomatoes that looks very good.

And here’s an okra ‘n tomatoes recipe with shrimp.

337 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:13pm

re: #302 Nevergiveup

Top Tax Rate Would Hit 1980s Level Under House Democrats’ Health Reform Proposal
The bill unveiled by House Democratic leaders Tuesday would create three new tax brackets for high earners, with a top rate of 45 percent for families making more than $1 million.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Youtube Video

Buncha’ fucking Commie bastards.

338 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:17pm

re: #302 Nevergiveup

For some reason, bad memories come to mind. You are only going get taxed if you are a Republican. Democrats are going to get a pass. Where can you get an offshore bank account? The Carmen Islands come to mind.

339 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:59pm

re: #336 reine.de.tout

Killgore are you still here?

I don’t usually eat just boiled okra, it’s always slimy.
I will eat “okra and tomatoes”, or fried okra (it’s cut into disks, battered and fried) or pickeled okra.

Here is a Paula Deen recipe for okra and tomatoes that looks very good.

And here’s an okra ‘n tomatoes recipe with shrimp.

gotta have okra in my gumbo

340 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58:04pm

re: #309 irongrampa

No, we’re referring to rational people in this instance.

Count me in.

341 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58:25pm

re: #337 MandyManners

Buncha’ fucking Commie bastards.

yep…the NWO

342 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58:53pm

re: #329 albusteve

I carry a man purse myself…I find it chic and proggy…(it’s an old nylon 6pack cooler)

There is no such thing as a man purse…

343 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58:59pm

re: #338 hous bin pharteen

For some reason, bad memories come to mind. You are only going get taxed if you are a Republican. Democrats are going to get a pass. Where can you get an offshore bank account? The Carmen Islands come to mind.


Near the Barber of Seville Islands?

344 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:59:30pm

re: #338 hous bin pharteen


Are you kidding? They made sure to threaten nations that have a rep for being overseas tax havens (starting with the Swiss) before they even considered any of this.

345 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:59:58pm

Towercam sunset, same as last night, booga-booga.

346 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:01pm

re: #338 hous bin pharteen

For some reason, bad memories come to mind. You are only going get taxed if you are a Republican. Democrats are going to get a pass. Where can you get an offshore bank account? The Carmen Islands come to mind.

Cuba would love your dollars if you have no qualms about it…never heard of the Carmen Islands…sounds delicious tho

347 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:27pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

20 years at MINSY…I left a big part of my heart there when Clinton shut us down…15000 of the best Nuclear sub workers in the world shit canned at the end of the cold war…Most of us went to other agencies…I left the Gov’t at that point…But I have a special place in my heart for Mare Island…My first job after college..I grew up there..

Never felt that way about Norfolk, I don’t dare use the Navy nickname for the place back in my day.

348 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:38pm

re: #339 albusteve

gotta have okra in my gumbo

OH, yes of course!
I was thinking Killgore just wanted to have okra as a vegetable dish.

349 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:38pm

re: #323 hous bin pharteen

I here Tahoe is nice. I am too spoiled on the East Coast. My favorite is Watkins Glen. Old F1 race track in wine country. Where you can race in the daylight, and sit by the lake and relax during the evening. Life does not get any better.

Got a ride (not F1) around Watkins Glen once, when I was a kid. spent a lot of time on vacation up in the fingerlakes region…

350 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:42pm

re: #344 Fenway_Nation

Are you kidding? They made sure to threaten nations that have a rep for being overseas tax havens (starting with the Swiss) before they even considered any of this.

Yep. That’s all over.

351 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:57pm

re: #300 MandyManners

I am disgusted but, doesn’t the the D in ODS refers to Nirthers?

Psychiatry is subject to being abused as a social engineering tool of the political establishment or as a control technique for suppression of various types of behaviour.
In this vein, one of the most convenient and effective ways to discredit an opponent’s point of view is to label the person as crazy or whacko, or to characterize their positions as sick or deranged. This technique avoids the need to deal with the merits of the argument and dispenses with the usual niceties of treating our opponents with respect and civility.
IMO the rush to label political positions as BDS and ODS are examples of this kind of behaviour. Surely it is better in the long run to try to take the time to defeat extreme positions by arguing them on their merits without engaging in amateur psychiatry.
And yes, I know this sounds preachy and is easier said than done.
FWIW

352 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:59pm

re: #339 albusteve

gotta have okra in my gumbo

Okra is gumbo … gumbo is a Bantu-language word for okra … okra is an Ibo word for … okra.

/

353 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01:12pm

re: #330 ShanghaiEd

I’m not in favor of any of the things you mention, revobob. But I thought the subject was human compassion through organized charity, and I can never see that as a bad thing, especially helping children not die of disease or malnutrition.

Nobody has to participate, but my hat is off to all who do, and to volunteers who devote their lives to easing suffering. The Sermon on the Mount doesn’t say anything about a cost/benefit ratio. But, that’s just me.

You’re right- I’m just being selfish and worried about my own family. (NOT sarc!) I would just like to feel that someone somewhere is doing something effective to prevent an endless loop of this.

354 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01:29pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

There is no such thing as a man purse…

Yes, there are. Murses, we call them.

355 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01:39pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

There is no such thing as a man purse…

I see you do not have girls for kids…everytime I pack up my cooler thing they laugh at my man purse…I do not argue with teenage girls

356 J.D.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:00pm

Health Reform Requires Lawsuit Reform
But tort lawyers are the one special interest Democrats won’t offend.

…Studies have repeatedly demonstrated that the current ad hoc system of justice, with verdicts that vary widely from one jury to the next, has spawned a culture of legal fear and self protection. Studies also show that the system fails injured patients — a claim takes an average of five years to resolve and nearly 60 cents out of every dollar spent in the malpractice system ends up going to lawyers or administrative costs.

That’s why most of the important health-care constituencies, from the American Medical Association to AARP, favor creating pilot projects for special health courts. Mr. Obama has recently talked about the need “to explore a range of ideas about how to … scale back the excessive defensive medicine.”

But one interest group hates the idea. You guessed which one. Sen. Mike Enzi (R., Wy.) discovered just how powerful the trial lawyers are when he proposed creating health court pilot projects. His proposal was only to permit experiments, not broad-scale tort reform, and it had been developed with Sen. Max Baucus (D., Mt.), chairman of the Finance Committee. But when Mr. Enzi offered this modest proposal, other members of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions killed the idea, declaring that the Constitution requires juries to be the ultimate decision maker in civil lawsuits.

That’s not true. Special courts without juries are common in America and include courts for bankruptcy, tax disputes, workers compensation and more. America has a long history of using expert courts when there is a need for expertise and consistency. It’s hard to imagine any area that needs consistent justice more than health care.

The senators weren’t willing to discuss the merits of an expert court. The jury, as Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D., R.I.) put it, is “our protection against tyranny of the majority.” But that’s not true either, at least not for civil cases. In private lawsuits, juries have the limited role of deciding disputed issues of fact. “What is the object of the jury trial?,” asked John Marshall in the debates over ratifying the Constitution. Marshall, the future chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, then answered his own question: “To inform the court of the facts.” It is the judge who is tasked with drawing legal boundaries that determine who can sue for what. Those boundaries are precisely what’s missing in deciding whether doctors have abided by accepted standards of care.

At the hearing, Mr. Whitehouse warned that “we take enormous risks as a country if we interfere with the institution of trial by jury.” Actually, the enormous damage of unreliable justice is visible all around American society — in playgrounds stripped of athletic equipment (contributing to the epidemic of obesity), in schools where disorder is the norm because of loss of teacher authority, and in a health-care system that squanders resources practicing unnecessary defensive medicine.

Fear is the tool not of leadership but of the status quo. It could hardly be easier to scare people into keeping programs and institutions the way they are. But that only delays the day of reckoning. Congress is mortgaging our children’s future. Cost containment must be a goal. Protecting trial lawyers is not the solution.

357 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:16pm

re: #348 reine.de.tout

OH, yes of course!
I was thinking Killgore just wanted to have okra as a vegetable dish.

I’m thinking more like a sex toy…but who really knows?

358 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:27pm

re: #337 MandyManners

Buncha’ fucking Commie bastards.

Returning to a lower tax rate than during President Reagan’s terms is Communism and bastardry? Was Reagan a Communist bastard? Sorry, I see a disconnect, here.

359 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:32pm

Talking about 3G earlier - one of the problem is that you share the node with all others who are connected. (Ok that is simplified…there are subchannels and some other tricks) That causes slow connections depending on the number of other users and there behavior and the size of the cell you are in and your distance to the node.
In urban areas they usually use micro-cells what is better but they cover just areas of a block or less, while the bigger ones cover more than 2 square miles. They are also often faster and reach 14,4 Mbit/s while in other areas you are down to 3,6 Mbit/s or less. Even just 56kbit are possible, but the double rate is recommended.
The upload is even slower. usually around 492kbit/s or less.

360 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:41pm

re: #346 albusteve

Cuba would love your dollars if you have no qualms about it…never heard of the Carmen Islands…sounds delicious tho

I think he meant “Cayman Islands”.

361 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:52pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

Just wait, hyperinflation may help you out …

heh…I’m not sure if it should be a :) or a :(

362 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:25pm

re: #355 albusteve

I see you do not have girls for kids…everytime I pack up my cooler thing they laugh at my man purse…I do not argue with teenage girls

I have so much shit to carry around I call mine a backpack. :(

363 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:36pm

Nite all

364 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:04:14pm

re: #352 OldLineTexan

Okra is gumbo … gumbo is a Bantu-language word for okra … okra is an Ibo word for … okra.

/

I never considered it an anthropological excercise…I’m totally enlightened dood…wait til I lay that on my buddies!…thanks

365 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:06:00pm

re: #360 OldLineTexan

I think he meant “Cayman Islands”.

this is a blog…words have meaning…Caymen sounds hot on the palate

366 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:07:00pm

re: #358 ShanghaiEd

Returning to a lower tax rate than during President Reagan’s terms is Communism and bastardry? Was Reagan a Communist bastard? Sorry, I see a disconnect, here.

Since 1986. After 1986 it was lowered to 28%.

So it would be 17% higher for the top bracket.

Right?

367 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #364 albusteve

I never considered it an anthropological excercise…I’m totally enlightened dood…wait til I lay that on my buddies!…thanks

Okra is good fun. Brought from Africa by slaves; some cultures carried the seeds everywhere. Grows easily, and I hated being assigned to pull the plants up because the roots are DEEP.

368 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:07:06pm

re: #343 BignJames

Near the Barber of Seville Islands?

I believe the elusive Die Fledermaus lives there?

369 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #334 capitalist piglet

Me too, but I would do what I could to stop a theft in progress, even if the victim was “rich”.

First, I would like to stop the theft in progress too, but I’m still trying to figure out how to become the “victim.”

370 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:10pm

Anyway, today was a fun time—yesterday one of my clients brought me a 55 Pontiac Chieftain 4dr sedan that wouldn’t run. Easy fix,simply rerset the points and off it went. You’ll recognize this, Avanti—it’s a survivor. Absolutely remarkable in terms of condition. We took it down to the ice cream place (road test, ya know), nearly had to beat people off the thing. What a sweetie to drive. If not for the Toy, I might be persuaded to buy it.

371 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:20pm

re: #367 OldLineTexan

Okra is good fun. Brought from Africa by slaves; some cultures carried the seeds everywhere. Grows easily, and I hated being assigned to pull the plants up because the roots are DEEP.

did you do felony time on the okra plantations?

372 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:25pm

re: #366 Gus 802

Since 1986. After 1986 it was lowered to 28%.

So it would be 17% higher for the top bracket.

Right?

Reagan wasn’t a Communist Bastard. Lefties love those. Reagan was a Tired Old Man Who We Elected King. Sheesh, what do they teach in schools these days?

373 tradewind  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:42pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops
Show her you’re cool and call it by its proper name:
[Link: thejacksack.com…]

374 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:41pm

re: #372 OldLineTexan

Reagan wasn’t a Communist Bastard. Lefties love those. Reagan was a Tired Old Man Who We Elected King. Sheesh, what do they teach in schools these days?

The Howard Zinn Method of historical revisionism? ;)

375 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #336 reine.de.tout

Killgore are you still here?

I don’t usually eat just boiled okra, it’s always slimy.
I will eat “okra and tomatoes”, or fried okra (it’s cut into disks, battered and fried) or pickeled okra.

Here is a Paula Deen recipe for okra and tomatoes that looks very good.

And here’s an okra ‘n tomatoes recipe with shrimp.

Thanks. I’m very used to the texture of okra, I use it all the time for thickening soups, stews, curries and stir fires. Okra and tomatoes go really well together (I like mint too). I’m experimenting with it in its most basic form. I think a quick grilling might be my next experiment. Combined with other things it does really well but on its own it gets a little too slimy for my taste.

376 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:10:51pm

re: #347 avanti

Never felt that way about Norfolk, I don’t dare use the Navy nickname for the place back in my day.

…Just for mentioning Norfolk…

377 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:11:23pm
Youtube Video
Enjoy!

Image: aroundtheworld.1186496640.watkins_glen_8.jpg

Image: cfiles5161.jpg

378 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:11:36pm

re: #347 avanti

Never felt that way about Norfolk, I don’t dare use the Navy nickname for the place back in my day.


Hmmm…lemme see…Aotw…was it?

379 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:12:07pm

re: #371 albusteve

did you do felony time on the okra plantations?

My mother always had a garden until my Dad gave up hoeing. Because at the “new” house (since 1973), the soil is … wait for it … gumbo.

I got to execute the tired or dead okra plants. They would be 6’ above ground, and feel like 6’ below. And they’re slimy, too.

380 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:12:41pm

So conceivably if you make $1,000,001…

The IRS gets to take $450,000.45.

Leaving you $550,000.55.

That’s just the Fed tax.

381 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:12:48pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

There is no such thing as a man purse…

How about Jason Bournes’ red bag with a bunch of money in it?

382 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:12:57pm

re: #285 revobob

Amen! I see the TV ads with the soft-speaking celebrity and the little limpid-eyed child asking for my “$.30 a day to fix little Jose or Maria up with clean water, shoes, and a school”. Then I think, okay, so Maria stays in school til she’s 12 or so, then starts producing her own little Jose’s and Rosas. I get angry with myself for thinking it, but what is the long-term benefit? “They” are going to demographically destroy “Us”, and then there will be no one to even try to find solutions.

My mom sponsored one of those kids for 16 years. The cost to her was so small, it was spare change that she would have frittered away. Because of her sponsorship, the kid was able to stay in school longer. She sent extra money for school at the beginning of the year, and extra at Christmas. In the letters she got, the money she sent for Christmas gave everyone in the family a nicer Christmas than they would have had.

For pennies a day, spare change.

383 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:13:28pm

re: #378 BignJames

Hmmm…lemme see…Aotw…was it?

Couldn’t have been “Armpit”, because that is Houma, LA.

/ducking

384 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:13:46pm

re: #378 BignJames

Hmmm…lemme see…Aotw…was it?

Nope, it’s now a wonderful town as a civilian years later.

385 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:13:53pm

re: #381 legalpad

How about Jason Bournes’ red bag with a bunch of money in it?

That’s a chick magnet.

/

386 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:14:43pm

re: #383 OldLineTexan

Couldn’t have been “Armpit”, because that is Houma, LA.

Scariest bugs I ever saw where outside my motel door in Houma, La.

387 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:14:56pm

Teenage Fanclub & De La Soul - Fallin’

Youtube Video

Night folks

388 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:20pm

re: #384 avanti

Nope, it’s now a wonderful town as a civilian years later.


Oh…I lived across the ‘Roads’…I know what it was.

389 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:32pm

re: #375 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I’m very used to the texture of okra, I use it all the time for thickening soups, stews, curries and stir fires. Okra and tomatoes go really well together (I like mint too). I’m experimenting with it in its most basic form. I think a quick grilling might be my next experiment. Combined with other things it does really well but on its own it gets a little too slimy for my taste.

I was in the grocery here recently, and a woman walked up to me and asked if I could show her the okra. She had no clue; a lot of people don’t.

390 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:51pm

re: #351 Spare O’Lake

Psychiatry is subject to being abused as a social engineering tool of the political establishment or as a control technique for suppression of various types of behaviour.
In this vein, one of the most convenient and effective ways to discredit an opponent’s point of view is to label the person as crazy or whacko, or to characterize their positions as sick or deranged. This technique avoids the need to deal with the merits of the argument and dispenses with the usual niceties of treating our opponents with respect and civility.
IMO the rush to label political positions as BDS and ODS are examples of this kind of behaviour. Surely it is better in the long run to try to take the time to defeat extreme positions by arguing them on their merits without engaging in amateur psychiatry.
And yes, I know this sounds preachy and is easier said than done.
FWIW

In most cases, the discussion about the merits or conspiracy theories has indeed occurred, it just gets ignored. They dismiss the facts, so everyone dismisses them.

391 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:57pm

re: #386 experiencedtraveller

Scariest bugs I ever saw where outside my motel door in Houma, La.

I believe it, because if you saw it ALIVE that means even a Cajun won’t eat it.

;)

392 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:16:02pm

re: #379 OldLineTexan

My mother always had a garden until my Dad gave up hoeing. Because at the “new” house (since 1973), the soil is … wait for it … gumbo.

I got to execute the tired or dead okra plants. They would be 6’ above ground, and feel like 6’ below. And they’re slimy, too.

I only eat it, not wrestle it…that is interesting tho…I’m a northern boy and I can kick any cucumber plants ass

393 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:16:31pm

Time for the old folk. Grandkids to abuse tomorrow.

Goodnight, good people.

394 BignJames  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:16:42pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

I was in the grocery here recently, and a woman walked up to me and asked if I could show her the okra. She had no clue; a lot of people don’t.

In La.?…not a native, I take it.

395 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:06pm

re: #381 legalpad

How about Jason Bournes’ red bag with a bunch of money in it?

That was a red bag with a bunch of money it (and a bunch if IDs)…but definitely not a man purse.

396 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:06pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

I was in the grocery here recently, and a woman walked up to me and asked if I could show her the okra. She had no clue; a lot of people don’t.

How many Martians do y’all get in Louisiana?

/

397 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:13pm

re: #388 BignJames

Oh…I lived across the ‘Roads’…I know what it was.

OK, just keep it quite.:)

398 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:13pm

re: #380 Gus 802

So conceivably if you make $1,000,001…

The IRS gets to take $450,000.45.

Leaving you $550,000.55.

That’s just the Fed tax.

yes exactly…can you see a flood of money leaving the country?

399 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:55pm

re: #391 OldLineTexan

I believe it, because if you saw it ALIVE that means even a Cajun won’t eat it.

;)

ROFL!
That is so true!

400 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:23pm

re: #398 albusteve

yes exactly…can you see a flood of money leaving the country?

Or under mattresses, safety deposit boxes, etc.

//But people wouldn’t do that. /

401 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:28pm

re: #394 BignJames

In La.?…not a native, I take it.

right. She was not from here.

402 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:16pm

re: #366 Gus 802

Since 1986. After 1986 it was lowered to 28%.

So it would be 17% higher for the top bracket.

Right?

Before 1986, it was 50%.

So it would be 5% lower for the top bracket.

Right?

Did Reagan go from Communist to Conservative in a year’s time? I’m just trying to understand the metrics for measuring Communism by tax rates, here.

403 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:25pm

re: #396 OldLineTexan

How many Martians do y’all get in Louisiana?

/

Won’t know ‘til the census comes out.

404 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:34pm

re: #358 ShanghaiEd

Returning to a lower tax rate than during President Reagan’s terms is Communism and bastardry? Was Reagan a Communist bastard? Sorry, I see a disconnect, here.

I don’t think 45% is a lower rate.

405 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:20:20pm

re: #384 avanti

Nope, it’s now a wonderful town as a civilian years later.

Don’t know if this is getting in the realm of too much personal info, but are in or near the Norfolk area?

406 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:20:30pm

There’s more!

Mr. Rangel also wants to apply his surcharges to investment income like capital gains. So the combined effect of repealing the Bush tax cuts and the new surcharges would be to raise the tax on stock appreciation by at least 60% — to as high as 24% from 15% today. President Obama has been worrying about a capital squeeze on small businesses, but raising the capital gains tax would only further starve them of funds.

From The Small Business Surtax @ WSJ

407 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:20:33pm

passport apps are gonna skyrocket it…the feds will increase the fee according to your income…bet me

408 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:20:49pm

re: #403 reine.de.tout

Won’t know ‘til the census comes out.

Oh … so if Martians vote Democrat, there’s lots of ‘em, I take it.

/the mighty Joke from a tiny ACORN grew

409 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:20:58pm

re: #402 ShanghaiEd

Before 1986, it was 50%.

So it would be 5% lower for the top bracket.

Right?

Did Reagan go from Communist to Conservative in a year’s time? I’m just trying to understand the metrics for measuring Communism by tax rates, here.

Well it was 70% at one point before JFK.

410 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:21:05pm

re: #395 Unakite

That was a red bag with a bunch of money it (and a bunch if IDs)…but definitely not a man purse.

IDs, money - what else is in a purse?

411 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:21:27pm

re: #405 Unakite

Don’t know if this is getting in the realm of too much personal info, but are in or near the Norfolk area?

I’m near Annapolis Md.

412 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:22:08pm

Night all!
Its a quarter past 6 in the morning…I should really get some sleep now.

For people interested - 4G or Beyond 3G telecommunication is very interesting.
1Gbit/s for local stations…100Mbit/s for fast moving objects and the 100Mbit/s to any connected device worldwide.
There is some interesting stuff just around the corner and this would make future Kindles much more useful.

413 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:10pm

If Obama wants to lower health care costs, he should start with tort reform and limiting malpractice awards. So many medical tests are carried out as nothing more than CYA measures.

414 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:11pm

re: #412 Joshua Cohen

Night all!
Its a quarter past 6 in the morning…I should really get some sleep now.

For people interested - 4G or Beyond 3G telecommunication is very interesting.
1Gbit/s for local stations…100Mbit/s for fast moving objects and the 100Mbit/s to any connected device worldwide.
There is some interesting stuff just around the corner and this would make future Kindles much more useful.

What happened to your schedule?

415 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:46pm

A comprehensive history of federal income tax rates; its fascinating reading. [Link: www.taxfoundation.org…]

416 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:24:22pm

re: #382 reine.de.tout

My mom sponsored one of those kids for 16 years. The cost to her was so small, it was spare change that she would have frittered away. Because of her sponsorship, the kid was able to stay in school longer. She sent extra money for school at the beginning of the year, and extra at Christmas. In the letters she got, the money she sent for Christmas gave everyone in the family a nicer Christmas than they would have had.

For pennies a day, spare change.

Reine, my grandmother sponsored a kid in Africa. Pennies a day. She never bragged about it; only we in the family knew.

Strange, that you and I both come from a family line of stupid Lefties…I mean, compassionate people. :)

417 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #410 legalpad

IDs, money - what else is in a purse?

Makeup, toiletries, gum, medication, combs, brushes, ponytailers, photos, receipts, bricks, small dogs, kittehs, the Ten Tribes of Israel, Bigfoot, …

418 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:24:32pm

re: #343 BignJames

Sorry. Caymare: #344 Fenway_Nation

n. But Carmine sounds nice to!

Fenway? I’m kidding? They are threatening the Swiss? What? Are they going to stop importing Swiss chocolate?
We don’t have the Swiss to worry about. We have tax cheat democrats here already. They just get elected, not arrested.

419 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:11pm

re: #413 livefreeor die

If Obama wants to lower health care costs, he should start with tort reform and limiting malpractice awards. So many medical tests are carried out as nothing more than CYA measures.

You might want to think that through. That’s what they do in Canada. They limit malpractice awards as a CYA measure for their state run health care and state doctors.

420 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:15pm

re: #402 ShanghaiEd

Before 1986, it was 50%.

So it would be 5% lower for the top bracket.

Right?

Did Reagan go from Communist to Conservative in a year’s time? I’m just trying to understand the metrics for measuring Communism by tax rates, here.

Two things
1. the 45% rate is just a house proposal, not a done deal.
2. It only applies to income over a $1,000,000/year, income below that is a lower rate.

If you are a millionaire, you can reduce your taxable incomes in a dozen ways. A mortgage interest deduction on a cozy 5 million dollar home would help.

421 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:35pm

re: #416 ShanghaiEd

Reine, my grandmother sponsored a kid in Africa. Pennies a day. She never bragged about it; only we in the family knew.

Strange, that you and I both come from a family line of stupid Lefties…I mean, compassionate people. :)

I’m part of a group that sends parrots and peg-legs to Somalia …

422 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:26:10pm

re: #410 legalpad

IDs, money - what else is in a purse?

Damn…and we have the movies…I forget :(

423 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:26:31pm

re: #421 OldLineTexan

I’m part of a group that sends parrots and peg-legs to Somalia …

Do you know where I can get some lime and rum?

Argh.

/

424 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:27:54pm

re: #420 avanti

Two things
1. the 45% rate is just a house proposal, not a done deal.
2. It only applies to income over a $1,000,000/year, income below that is a lower rate.

If you are a millionaire, you can reduce your taxable incomes in a dozen ways. A mortgage interest deduction on a cozy 5 million dollar home would help.

so you are saying this is a fair tax and you support it?…can you commit yourself?

425 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:28:27pm

re: #404 legalpad

I don’t think 45% is a lower rate.

In that case, Fox News has it wrong:

The bill unveiled by House Democratic leaders Tuesday would create three new tax brackets for high earners, with a top rate of 45 percent for families making more than $1 million. That would be the highest income tax rate since 1986, when the top rate was 50 percent.

426 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:28:31pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Do you know where I can get some lime and rum?

Argh.

/

For less than three cents a day, you can make sure little Uburu has an eye patch and a cockaded hat …

427 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:28:36pm

re: #410 legalpad

IDs, money - what else is in a purse?

A gun.

428 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:25pm

re: #411 avanti

Great town. Love the waterfront. Got a painting of it on the wall.

Later, gators. My vision is taking a hit, so my spelling sucks.
G’night all.

429 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:26pm
In addition, many more smaller business owners with lower profits would be hit by the Rangel plan’s payroll tax surcharge. That surcharge would apply to all firms with 25 or more workers that don’t offer health insurance to their employees, and it would amount to an astonishing eight percentage point fee above the current 15% payroll levy.

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Oh yeah, it’s just a proposal.

//What, me worry?

430 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:31pm

re: #427 Unakite

A gun.

never put you piece in a manpurse…ever

431 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:42pm

re: #425 ShanghaiEd

Well, they are teh LIARS and FAKERS.

Hardly a creditable Lefty source.

432 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:30:18pm

re: #410 legalpad

IDs, money - what else is in a purse?

From the time my boys were old enough to understand that there are rules, a primary one has been, “Never look in a woman’s purse without her permission.” My husband respects that one too.

433 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:30:22pm

re: #411 avanti

I’m near Annapolis Md.

Thanks, just curious. I grew up here, but don’t see it get mentioned much.

434 jvic  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:30:33pm

re: #406 Gus 802

There’s more!

From The Small Business Surtax @ WSJ

I’ve heard Obama say how important risk takers are to the economy. I haven’t heard of Obama doing anything to encourage risk taking.

(I’m not calling for subsidies to small businesses. I’m just saying that the govt shouldn’t make their situations more challenging than they already are.)

435 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:13pm

re: #433 Unakite

Thanks, just curious. I grew up here, but don’t see it get mentioned much.

I’m a big fan of the Rams Head

436 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:15pm

re: #428 hous bin pharteen

Great town. Love the waterfront. Got a painting of it on the wall.

Later, gators. My vision is taking a hit, so my spelling sucks.
G’night all.

I love it here, a hour from DC or Baltimore and 20 minutes from the eastern shore across the bay bridge.

437 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:03pm

re: #409 Gus 802

Well it was 70% at one point before JFK.

Yes, it was. And I don’t remember JFK being called a Communist because of a 70% tax rate. Do you?

438 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:11pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

Makeup, toiletries, gum, medication, combs, brushes, ponytailers, photos, receipts, bricks, small dogs, kittehs, the Ten Tribes of Israel, Bigfoot, …

Shotgun approach…? :)

439 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:24pm

re: #430 albusteve

never put you piece in a manpurse…ever

I don’t know-Plaxico Burress would be better off if he had put his piece in a manpurse instead of the waistband of his pants.

440 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:36pm

re: #416 ShanghaiEd

Reine, my grandmother sponsored a kid in Africa. Pennies a day. She never bragged about it; only we in the family knew.

Strange, that you and I both come from a family line of stupid Lefties…I mean, compassionate people. :)


Conservative vs Liberal Charity

441 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:29pm

re: #437 ShanghaiEd

Yes, it was. And I don’t remember JFK being called a Communist because of a 70% tax rate. Do you?

He said before JFK. JFK lowered the rate, right?

442 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:47pm

re: #439 livefreeor die

I don’t know-Plaxico Burress would be better off if he had put his piece in a manpurse instead of the waistband of his pants.

unique case…radishes should not possess firearms

443 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:34:19pm

re: #416 ShanghaiEd

Reine, my grandmother sponsored a kid in Africa. Pennies a day. She never bragged about it; only we in the family knew.

Strange, that you and I both come from a family line of stupid Lefties...I mean, compassionate people. :)

bwahahahaha!
(wiping the laughter tears away).

My mom was much like I am, a good conservative Louisiana Catholic.

She was not perfect, but she had many grand qualities, including great compassion for those in need and for the disabled.

At her funeral, I cannot tell you how many people came up to me with a story or two about how my mom’s compassion for them in a sticky situation helped get them through.

444 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:34:33pm

OT: I can HEARTILY recommend the “Pine Belt Pale Ale”.

These guys are just up the road from me, and St. Arnold’s is towards town. It’s like Beer Central!

445 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:34:46pm

re: #434 jvic

I’ve heard Obama say how important risk takers are to the economy. I haven’t heard of Obama doing anything to encourage risk taking.

(I’m not calling for subsidies to small businesses. I’m just saying that the govt shouldn’t make their situations more challenging than they already are.)

Indeed.

Bottom line it would all go up for businesses and the entrepreneurial class under these proposals:

1. Top Personal Income Tax from 35% to 45%
2. Capital Gains Tax from 15% to 24%.
3. Payroll Tax Rate from 15% to 23%.
4. Surcharge for 25+ Employee Firms Adding 8% from the current 15% Levy.*

*For those that don’t provide health insurance.

446 Unakite  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:13pm

re: #432 livefreeor die

From the time my boys were old enough to understand that there are rules, a primary one has been, “Never look in a woman’s purse without her permission.” My husband respects that one too.

Yes, but do you look in his man purse?
//

447 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:28pm

re: #437 ShanghaiEd

Yes, it was. And I don’t remember JFK being called a Communist because of a 70% tax rate. Do you?

It actually was 91% on the highest income level back in the 50’s, and 100 % was proposed in WW II. You’d be taxed at a lower rate until you hit the 100% wall, then anything above was Uncle Sams.

448 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:41pm

re: #445 Gus 802

Indeed.

Bottom line it would all go up for businesses and the entrepreneurial class under these proposals:

1. Top Personal Income Tax from 35% to 45%
2. Capital Gains Tax from 15% to 24%.
3. Payroll Tax Rate from 15% to 23%.
4. Surcharge for 25+ Employee Firms Adding 8% from the current 15% Levy.*

*For those that don’t provide health insurance.

Weren’t they also talking about limiting mortgage deductions?

449 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:42pm

re: #437 ShanghaiEd

Yes, it was. And I don’t remember JFK being called a Communist because of a 70% tax rate. Do you?

Ha, no … I heard him called much worse, and that AFTER he was dead, by my grandmother.

/

450 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:36:19pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

Makeup, toiletries, gum, medication, combs, brushes, ponytailers, photos, receipts, bricks, small dogs, kittehs, the Ten Tribes of Israel, Bigfoot, …

.22

451 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:36:20pm

re: #431 OldLineTexan

Well, they are teh LIARS and FAKERS.

Hardly a creditable Lefty source.

Well, it was good enough for Nevergiveup to quote first. Is he a liar and a faker? :)

I always enjoy your sarcasm, OLT, but it would also be good if could actually address my point sometimes, too.

452 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:36:57pm

re: #440 VioletTiger

Conservative vs Liberal Charity

good link.
Thanks.

453 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:37:39pm

re: #437 ShanghaiEd

Yes, it was. And I don’t remember JFK being called a Communist because of a 70% tax rate. Do you?

Like Capitalist Piglet said, before. I don’t know about this Communist angle you’re speaking of. Reagan, et al, was instrumental in further lowering the upper bracket from 50% to 28% in 1986. It sneaked back up to 35%. JFK, et al, lowered it to that 50%.

454 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:38:25pm

re: #448 livefreeor die

Weren’t they also talking about limiting mortgage deductions?

At one point. They were also talking about taxing employer provided health benefits.

455 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:04pm

re: #451 ShanghaiEd

Well, it was good enough for Nevergiveup to quote first. Is he a liar and a faker? :)

I always enjoy your sarcasm, OLT, but it would also be good if could actually address my point sometimes, too.

Sheesh, Faux News. You are off-script.

And as for sarcasm … eh, it’s a job.

456 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #454 Gus 802

At one point. They were also talking about taxing employer provided health benefits.

Won’t be any, don’t worry.

457 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:45pm

re: #452 reine.de.tout

good link.
Thanks.

Apparently, liberals are more generous with other people’s money than their own. From the article:

— People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
458 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:47pm

re: #456 OldLineTexan

Won’t be any, don’t worry.

Yeah. We’ll have to wait 3 years for blood tests. Then maybe get a doctor at $900 a visit.

459 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:47pm

re: #456 OldLineTexan

Won’t be any, don’t worry.

Do you mean won’t be any benefits or won’t be any employers? Because it sure seems like he’s trying to screw over the latter as much as possible.

460 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:41:39pm

re: #443 reine.de.tout

bwahahahaha!
(wiping the laughter tears away).

My mom was much like I am, a good conservative Louisiana Catholic.

She was not perfect, but she had many grand qualities, including great compassion for those in need and for the disabled.

At her funeral, I cannot tell you how many people came up to me with a story or two about how my mom’s compassion for them in a sticky situation helped get them through.

I hear you, Reine. I was just being facetious, obviously. If there was a more conservative member of the Freewill Baptist Church in Alabama than my grandmother, I never met her.

My grandparents got me a Monopoly game for Christmas one year, and when I opened the package, the dice had been removed. Because dice promote the sin of gambling, don’t you know?

461 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:41:47pm

I LOVE the Kindle. A couple of weeks ago I bought one for my husband’s birthday, and I wish I had my own, because this little gadget is so cool it hurts to share it. Sure, some may complain now about the U.S. version lacking wi-fi ability, but honestly, to me that’s a good thing. Internet access is so distracting on the computer, if I’ve set my mind on reading. I wouldn’t want the temptation built right into the Kindle. The cell network connection is good enough to download books and that’s all that matters.

The Kindle rocks! As does the Burgomeister, and Stanza too (for exporting all those files in Kindle format)!

462 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:35pm

re: #447 avanti

It actually was 91% on the highest income level back in the 50’s, and 100 % was proposed in WW II. You’d be taxed at a lower rate until you hit the 100% wall, then anything above was Uncle Sams.

That would be a really bad idea. It would ensure that noone would ever earn more than the limit. That said, it was proposed as a war measure, not for use in normal times. The government took on a number of powers during WWII that were defensible during a full-scale war, but wrong at any other time.

463 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:07pm

re: #448 livefreeor die

Weren’t they also talking about limiting mortgage deductions?

Mortgage deductions, state tax and property tax deductions and charity deductions were all on the table to be eliminated or reduced for the evil ‘rich’.

464 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:28pm

I’m sitting here working down a stack of bills pondering the insanity of Washington D.C.; we are $11 trillion in debt, in the midst of a severe recession with skyrocketing unemployment, running a deficit of $1.3 trillion and we are considering raising taxes for a new entitlement that will cost at least $100 billion a year. If this is not the definition of insanity, I don’t know what is.

465 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:49pm

re: #459 livefreeor die

Do you mean won’t be any benefits or won’t be any employers? Because it sure seems like he’s trying to screw over the latter as much as possible.

To support National Health Insurance, it will become necessary to find a good, stable source of money. Large companies will be induced to participate, either directly by coercion or indirectly by unfavorable tax rules. Insuring “everybody” where “everybody” is unemployed is a non-starter.

Look, Ma … no sarcasm

466 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:53pm

Partial History of
U.S. Federal Marginal Income Tax Rates
Since 1913
Applicable
Year Income
brackets First
bracket Top
bracket Source
1913-1915 - 1% 7% IRS
1916 - 2% 15% IRS
1917 - 2% 67% IRS
1918 - 6% 73% IRS
1919-1920 - 4% 73% IRS
1921 - 4% 73% IRS
1922 - 4% 56% IRS
1923 - 3% 56% IRS
1924 - 1.5% 46% IRS
1925-1928 - 1.5% 25% IRS
1929 - 0.375% 24% IRS
1930-1931 - 1.125% 25% IRS
1932-1933 - 4% 63% IRS
1934-1935 - 4% 63% IRS
1936-1939 - 4% 79% IRS
1940 - 4.4% 81.1% IRS
1941 - 10% 81% IRS
1942-1943 - 19% 88% IRS
1944-1945 - 23% 94% IRS
1946-1947 - 19% 86.45% IRS
1948-1949 - 16.6% 82.13% IRS
1950 - 17.4% 84.36% IRS
1951 - 20.4% 91% IRS
1952-1953 - 22.2% 92% IRS
1954-1963 - 20% 91% IRS
1964 - 16% 77% IRS
1965-1967 - 14% 70% IRS
1968 - 14% 75.25% IRS
1969 - 14% 77% IRS
1970 - 14% 71.75% IRS
1971-1981 15 brackets 14% 70% IRS
1982-1986 12 brackets 12% 50% IRS
1987 5 brackets 11% 33% IRS
1988-1990 3 brackets 15% 28% IRS
1991-1992 3 brackets 15% 31% IRS
1993-2000 5 brackets 15% 39.6% IRS
2001 5 brackets 15% 39.1% IRS
2002 6 brackets 10% 38.6% IRS
2003-2009 6 brackets 10% 35% Tax Foundat

Make what you will of all that.

467 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:44:34pm

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

468 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:15pm

re: #460 ShanghaiEd

I had friends who could not have playing cards.

469 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:26pm

re: #425 ShanghaiEd

Hmmm - when I tried a “quote” response the block quotes were empty and I was told I was logged off when I wasn’t.

Here’s one review. I’m looking for some comparative tables or spreadsheet. I guess it’s about brackets and inflation.

470 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:26pm

re: #467 realwest

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

Nevermind that. We care how YOU are doing tonight.

471 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:29pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

That would be a really bad idea. It would ensure that noone would ever earn more than the limit. That said, it was proposed as a war measure, not for use in normal times. The government took on a number of powers during WWII that were defensible during a full-scale war, but wrong at any other time.

I agree, but 91% at the time was pretty close.

472 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:30pm

re: #467 realwest

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

{realwest}

473 songbird  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:49pm

re: #467 realwest

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

Hello Realwest! I am well and peaceful! How are you doing?

474 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:55pm

re: #467 realwest

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

Hey Realwest.

475 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:32pm

re: #467 realwest

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

I am well. I had to work on my day off again, but doing so helped with my quotas. I have good reason to hope that I’ll be able to keep my job.

How are you, friend? Many people have been asking after you.

476 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:12pm

re: #467 realwest

Doing fine here -

477 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:23pm

re: #470 capitalist piglet
Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:31pm

I just saw a picture of myself from High School on Facebook that I have not seen for 30 years.

Damn. I was sexy.

479 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:53pm

Hey, real!

Everybody’s been asking ‘bout you … turn yer head and cough …

/

480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:55pm

re: #477 realwest

Prayers, my friend.

481 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:32pm

re: #467 realwest

I’m trying to lower my blood pressure by not thinking of politics RW. Good to see you!

482 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:57pm

re: #471 avanti

I agree, but 91% at the time was pretty close.

True. Like I said, it was like rent control: Acceptable during the war, but bad once the war ended. Both Chicago and New York had rent control during WWII, but Chicago did not keep it after the war, so Chicago does not have New York’s housing problems.

483 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:49:05pm

re: #440 VioletTiger

Conservative vs Liberal Charity

Thanks for the link, VT. I’ve seen that study before.

I’m not making my point very well, here. I just get tired of how often people are mocked these days as stupid or naive just for displaying generosity and compassion. It didn’t used to be that way. Do you agree?

484 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:49:50pm

re: #477 realwest

Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.

Is there a plan of action?

485 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:09pm

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

True. Like I said, it was like rent control: Acceptable during the war, but bad once the war ended. Both Chicago and New York had rent control during WWII, but Chicago did not keep it after the war, so Chicago does not have New York’s housing problems.

But NYC does not have Chicago’s community organizer problem … hmmm

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:21pm

re: #484 capitalist piglet

Is there a plan of action?

Fight like a motherfucker?!

487 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:43pm

re: #467 realwest

Goo evening y’all. How is everyone doing tonight?

Evening real. I’m doing well, and you?

488 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:49pm

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fight like a motherfucker?!

That’s what I’m hoping to hear.

489 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:53pm

re: #483 ShanghaiEd

Thanks for the link, VT. I’ve seen that study before.

I’m not making my point very well, here. I just get tired of how often people are mocked these days as stupid or naive just for displaying generosity and compassion. It didn’t used to be that way. Do you agree?

I agree. They are also getting mocked for working hard and being successful, the basis of the American dream.

490 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:51:44pm

re: #477 realwest

Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.

I feared that. Do check out Jacksontn’s number 101. He put it up for you.

491 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:51:56pm

re: #489 livefreeor die

I agree. They are also getting mocked for working hard and being successful, the basis of the American dream.

Don’t forget to mock any religious belief as well.

/

492 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:09pm

Speaking of taxes, I got screwed by the MVA this month. My wife let our car insurance lapse for two days, and the insurance company rolls if back to the previous months expiration

The MVA fine was $178 per car, 4 cars, for missing the due date by two days. Two of the cars have not been driven for a few months, but still have to pay the fine.

493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:26pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

(she)

494 livefreeor die  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:38pm

re: #491 OldLineTexan

Don’t forget to mock any religious belief as well.

/

Whoops-my bad! I forgot-you can mock everything except Islam.

495 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:56pm

re: #485 OldLineTexan

But NYC does not have Chicago’s community organizer problem … hmmm

New York has a community organizer problem but it is not severe because New York is not nearly as corrupt.

496 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:53:20pm

re: #458 Gus 802

Yeah. We’ll have to wait 3 years for blood tests. Then maybe get a doctor at $900 a visit.

This is weird. I just clicked the blue post number 456 from your quote of OLT, but what I got was post was post #456 from a thread called “French Politician Wants to Give Nukes to Arab World”, dated 5/25/2004.

That is happening in other posts too - if I click the quoted post, I get that numbered post from a thread in 2004.

Ths happening to anybody else?

497 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:53:30pm

re: #453 Gus 802

Like Capitalist Piglet said, before. I don’t know about this Communist angle you’re speaking of. Reagan, et al, was instrumental in further lowering the upper bracket from 50% to 28% in 1986. It sneaked back up to 35%. JFK, et al, lowered it to 70% from 91%.

Corrections in bold.

91%! Nuts!

498 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:53:31pm

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(she)

I stand corrected. Thank you.

499 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:53:42pm

re: #483 ShanghaiEd

Thanks for the link, VT. I’ve seen that study before.

I’m not making my point very well, here. I just get tired of how often people are mocked these days as stupid or naive just for displaying generosity and compassion. It didn’t used to be that way. Do you agree?

I agree, there is no reason to mock kindness or generousity. It is a quality to be admired.
What I resent is the tired old assumption that liberals are kind and generous and conservatives are…just not. It’s not a fair assumption.

500 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:54:17pm

re: #477 realwest

Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.

Hi realwest. Sorry, but I’m not ready to give up on you. Cancer tests came back, and don’t look good. Okay, that’s not great news.

But here’s the deal. My best friend out here was diagnosed back in the early 90’s, and told to put his affairs in order. His doc sent him to M.D. Anderson (I know I’ve mentioned this before).

He and I had drinks this evening at our local watering hole - The Cowboy.

No matter what it may seem to be today, if you have the guts (and from what I’ve seen you do), you and I will be having a cold one - albeit here in cyberspace - for many years to come.

I’m willing to bet on that.

God bless you, my friend, and ten years from now, it’ll be your turn to buy the first round!

501 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:54:40pm

re: #457 VioletTiger

VT, that’s a different argument and one that I don’t want to get into, right now. My posts were taking issue with a note that was critical of private charity helping children overseas, and that’s all I’m talking about. I think helping children overseas through private charity is great. Nobody else has to agree.

502 songbird  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:54:46pm

re: #477 realwest

Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.

I don’t like to hear that, but reality is sometimes cruel.
Many thoughts toward you and many prayers for you heavenward.

Love and hugs.

503 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:24pm

re: #496 reine.de.tout

This is weird. I just clicked the blue post number 456 from your quote of OLT, but what I got was post was post #456 from a thread called “French Politician Wants to Give Nukes to Arab World”, dated 5/25/2004.

That is happening in other posts too - if I click the quoted post, I get that numbered post from a thread in 2004.

Ths happening to anybody else?


You’re right. I just tried it in preview and clicked on the numerical reference and ended up in some post about Greek food.

504 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:56:18pm

re: #499 VioletTiger

I agree, there is no reason to mock kindness or generousity. It is a quality to be admired.
What I resent is the tired old assumption that liberals are kind and generous and conservatives are…just not. It’s not a fair assumption.

Hey, VT - that post was Ed joking with me, after I made a comment about my mom’s charity … he knows full well I’m a conservative.

505 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:56:21pm

re: #496 reine.de.tout

Hmm, the same here. The man must be working on the code.

506 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:56:30pm

It’s happening to all of the references. Going to “French Politician Wants to Give Nukes to Arab World.”

507 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:56:34pm

re: #477 realwest

Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.


{real}
Sorry to hear that, real. Will say some prayers for you.

508 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:57:01pm

re: #238 avanti

If that’s what you got from that stupid dirty joke, I understand the outrage. To be clear, I think women smell terrific.

What in the heck else could be gotten from that joke? It was disgusting and offensive in the extreme. Based on your remarks above you are suggesting that there is something else to be drawn from that joke that evidently I and others here missed. Please tell me what else had you hoped people would get?

509 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:57:03pm

re: #503 Gus 802

You’re right. I just tried it in preview and clicked on the numerical reference and ended up in some post about Greek food.

OK.
I reported my comment so maybe Charles will see it.

510 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:57:11pm

re: #472 livefreeor die
and
re: #473 songbird and
re: #474 Gus 802and
re: #475 Dark_Falconand
re: #476 legalpad
Thank y’all for asking, bu I’m not doing well. As I told Capitalist Piglet in my #477, My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The prognosis isn’t really very good. It is possible I’ll be able to vote in the 2010 elections, but probably not in the 2012 elections. By this time next year (and maybe sooner) I’ll be either undergoing radiation therapy - for reasons too long to go into here, my oncologist and a radiation oncologist have said that my cancer is systemic and asked me “what good would radiation therapy do for you?” and they didn’t seem pleased when I - admittedly angrily said “Maybe they’ll keep me from DYING!”
Crap.

511 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:58:01pm

re: #510 realwest

{{realwest}}
There are a lot of prayers coming your way, you know.

512 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:58:09pm

re: #380 Gus 802

So conceivably if you make $1,000,001…

The IRS gets to take $450,000.45.

Leaving you $550,000.55.

That’s just the Fed tax.

I think you need to check on that calculation, Gus. It’s my understanding the 45% figure applies only to income over $1,000,000. Your first million is taxed at a lower rate. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

513 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:58:24pm
514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:58:28pm

Going to bed.

Real? You are my kind of Lizard.

Smart as hell.
Kind as all get out.
And tenacious as they come.

I look forward to seeing you the next time I come to Charlotte.

515 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:59:00pm

re: #501 ShanghaiEd

VT, that’s a different argument and one that I don’t want to get into, right now. My posts were taking issue with a note that was critical of private charity helping children overseas, and that’s all I’m talking about. I think helping children overseas through private charity is great. Nobody else has to agree.

I can’t understand why anybody would object to a private charity that helps children. So, yes, I agree with you 100% on that.

516 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:59:42pm

re: #500 subsailor68

Hi realwest. Sorry, but I’m not ready to give up on you. Cancer tests came back, and don’t look good. Okay, that’s not great news.

But here’s the deal. My best friend out here was diagnosed back in the early 90’s, and told to put his affairs in order. His doc sent him to M.D. Anderson (I know I’ve mentioned this before).

He and I had drinks this evening at our local watering hole - The Cowboy.

No matter what it may seem to be today, if you have the guts (and from what I’ve seen you do), you and I will be having a cold one - albeit here in cyberspace - for many years to come.

I’m willing to bet on that.

God bless you, my friend, and ten years from now, it’ll be your turn to buy the first round!

I enjoyed your post. My doc is checking for something along those lines right now, that is, I’m waiting for lab results.

517 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:00:11pm

re: #512 ShanghaiEd

I think you need to check on that calculation, Gus. It’s my understanding the 45% figure applies only to income over $1,000,000. Your first million is taxed at a lower rate. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

In his example, only the extra penny and any over the million would be taxed at 45%.

518 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:00:20pm

re: #510 realwest

I’m sorry Realwest. :(

519 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:00:31pm

re: #510 realwest

and
re: #473 songbird and
re: #474 Gus 802and
re: #475 Dark_Falconand
re: #476 legalpad
Thank y’all for asking, bu I’m not doing well. As I told Capitalist Piglet in my #477, My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The prognosis isn’t really very good. It is possible I’ll be able to vote in the 2010 elections, but probably not in the 2012 elections. By this time next year (and maybe sooner) I’ll be either undergoing radiation therapy - for reasons too long to go into here, my oncologist and a radiation oncologist have said that my cancer is systemic and asked me “what good would radiation therapy do for you?” and they didn’t seem pleased when I - admittedly angrily said “Maybe they’ll keep me from DYING!”
Crap.

I’ll keep you in my prayers. Whatever you do, do not despair. I’m not worried that you will though, since I know you’re stronger than that. I pray that I may face adversity as well as you do.

520 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:00:45pm

re: #510 realwest

With all due respect, and because you are too much of a gentleman to say this (and I’m going to make an exception to my usual self-imposed language rules), I’ll say it: FUCK THE PROGNOSIS.

These people are not infallible.

You are going to vote in 2012. Believe it.

521 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:00:57pm

re: #460 ShanghaiEd

I hear you, Reine. I was just being facetious, obviously. If there was a more conservative member of the Freewill Baptist Church in Alabama than my grandmother, I never met her.

My grandparents got me a Monopoly game for Christmas one year, and when I opened the package, the dice had been removed. Because dice promote the sin of gambling, don’t you know?

Now that’s funny. We Catholics, of course, have no problems with gambling - bingo and all, you know.
I had a teacher once, very strict Baptist, and she would not allow us to bring playing cards on the bus on one of our field trips.

So of course, everybody brought a deck of cards. She sat in the front of the bus behind the driver, and never looked back.

522 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:01:02pm

re: #510 realwest

We’re with you all the way.

523 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:01:20pm

re: #477 realwest

Some hail Marys going out for you tonight.

524 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:01:42pm

re: #504 reine.de.tout

Hey, VT - that post was Ed joking with me, after I made a comment about my mom’s charity … he knows full well I’m a conservative.

Sorry, Ed, Reine. Didn’t mean to jump in and jump to conclusions.

525 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:03:14pm

re: #510 realwest

(((realwest)))

526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:04:18pm

You are just people on the internet. Right?

Riiight.

Love y’all. G’night.

527 stuck in california  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:04:47pm

Git ‘er done Real…we got your back!

528 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:05:35pm

re: #516 legalpad

I enjoyed your post. My doc is checking for something along those lines right now, that is, I’m waiting for lab results.

Hi legalpad. By God, don’t you even think about anything but what you’ll need to do to beat whatever comes back. I’ll break a rule of anonymity by saying that my friend’s name is Chet. He is a west Texas boy who spent 20 plus years in the submarine service. He came back home to Texas, and decided to open a dry cleaning store - even though he knew nothing about it. When he sold the business last year - it was worth well over 5 million dollars. And he accomplished all this while he was - and is - fighting cancer.

He simply refuses to surrender, and never will. I’ll pray that your results are benign, but even if there’s a problem, just remember that there’s always a way to beat the devil - just ask my friend Chet.

God bless you too!!

529 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:06:20pm

re: #524 VioletTiger

Sorry, Ed, Reine. Didn’t mean to jump in and jump to conclusions.

It happens.
Then it’s straightened out.
And everything’s copacetic.

530 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:28pm

re: #510 realwest


…for reasons too long to go into here, my oncologist and a radiation oncologist have said that my cancer is systemic and asked me “what good would radiation therapy do for you?” and they didn’t seem pleased when I - admittedly angrily said “Maybe they’ll keep me from DYING!”

Am I reading this wrong, are they suggesting you throw in the towel?

If so, that is bullshit.
/yes, this is a knee jerk response with no immediate (personal) concept of what you are dealing with. I am probably out of line Real, but typed away with this anyway. Sorry.

Get better.

531 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:44pm

re: #528 subsailor68

Thanks man. It’s my job to fight. Not a problem there. But I have no complaints regardless.

532 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:09:31pm

re: #531 legalpad

Thanks man. It’s my job to fight. Not a problem there. But I have no complaints regardless.

“It’s my job to fight.”

My friend, you just won.

533 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:09:47pm

re: #517 avanti

In his example, only the extra penny and any over the million would be taxed at 45%.

Schedule X goes from 372,951 dollars. The tax would be 108,216 plus 35% for everything over $372,951. I imagine they would provide the same scheme for the 45%. If everything remained static except for the 35% then with 1,000,000 it would be.

+$108,216.00 (first $372,951)
+$282,172.05 (1,000,000 - 372,951 x 0.45)
Total Tax = $390,388.50

My initial guess was $450,000.

Close enough for jazz.

534 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:11:03pm

Realwest,
I hope you don’t find me impertinent if I add my well wishes to the others in this forum. I do not know you except to say I have read your posts with interest over the time I have been on LGF and have always appreciated your insights. I am not one who prays much but I have said one for you tonight.

535 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:12:02pm

re: #509 reine.de.tout

OK.
I reported my comment so maybe Charles will see it.

I’ve fixed the problem — it was the new code that prevents multiple characters.

536 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:12:08pm

re: #530 The Shadow Do

Am I reading this wrong, are they suggesting you throw in the towel?

If so, that is bullshit.
/yes, this is a knee jerk response with no immediate (personal) concept of what you are dealing with. I am probably out of line Real, but typed away with this anyway. Sorry.

Get better.

I’d say you’re not out of line. Defeatism is bad and corrosive, though I admit that I am prey to it. Be realistic, but do support people who want to fight. That will to live may carry them further than others. That’s the other reason Realwest is a better man than I: In his place, I’d be dead already.

537 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:13:21pm

re: #510 realwest

I hate to hear that, RW. Please know you’re in my thoughts and prayers. Other than that I feel sort of speechless, which you know is a rarity for me.

Fortunately, subsailor’s wonderful post at #100 conveys my feelings much better than I possibly could. Please read it and consider me a co-signer. And please keep posting whenever you feel like it.

538 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:13:46pm

re: #500 subsailor68
Hey sub - thanks for the kind words but it isn’t a question of “guts” or courage.
I’ve fought this fucking beast for over four long, hard and painful years and I’m NOT willing to stop fighting, but it seems as if my doctors are. I honestly don’t understand their postion.
Damnit, three months from now (I get my PSA -cancer test every three months) MAYBE the tumor will be big enough to see on a scan and they can then get a biopsy. But if it’s that big, it’s almost sure to mestastes more than it has already and then it’s a race for a biopsy and radiation before it gets my kidneys, liver, etc. etc. My onc. wasn’t all that positive about my chances and the mofo’s wouldn’t do anything by way of radiation (surgery’s out and Chemo doesn’t kill Prostate Cancer it only puts it in remission for maybe 6 months) without a biopsy.
And I’m just TIRED. Every damn day all I’ve done is take these terrible medications and get belly injections and I’m kinda wore out.

But LGF has been my connection to LIFE. And I have no intention of quitting, but I can’t win without doctors on MY side.
But your good wishes and prayers have helped me keep going, and I thank you all very much.

539 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:13:48pm

re: #536 Dark_Falcon

I’d say you’re not out of line. Defeatism is bad and corrosive, though I admit that I am prey to it. Be realistic, but do support people who want to fight. That will to live may carry them further than others. That’s the other reason Realwest is a better man than I: In his place, I’d be dead already.

Lance Armstrong was pronouced dead before he didn’t die.

540 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:13:48pm

re: #535 Charles

I’ve fixed the problem — it was the new code that prevents multiple characters.

Is the new code what cut my hug to Realwest to just three parentheses?

541 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:14:21pm
542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:15:33pm

re: #540 MandyManners

Is the new code what cut my hug to Realwest to just three parentheses?

Howabout this?

“11REALWEST11”

“Our hugs go to eleven”.

543 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:16:50pm

re: #534 WinterCat

Realwest,
I hope you don’t find me impertinent if I add my well wishes to the others in this forum. I do not know you except to say I have read your posts with interest over the time I have been on LGF and have always appreciated your insights. I am not one who prays much but I have said one for you tonight.

I can help you out with that: realwest is an LGF treasure, a man possessing an amazing combination of kindess, intelligence, and wit…and an example of the kind of incredible, intrinsic strength I hope I can find within me should my life’s circumstances ever meet a fraction of the challenges he has faced.

(And I will be joining you in that prayer.)

544 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:16:50pm

re: #539 The Shadow Do

Lance Armstrong was pronouced dead before he didn’t die.

That why men like them are better than me.

545 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:17:06pm

re: #477 realwest

Not so good. My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The outlook is, ah, grim.

The doctors may say otherwise, but fight this on all fronts.
Use traditional and nontraditional methods.
Google those who have won and use their info.
Use the spiritual and the physical.
Google the areas that have the least of whatever you have and use that info.
Likewise the other side: see who has it the most, and don’t do that.
Set up to win, but also put in motion good things that will carry on no matter what.
Keep laughing; look at “Patch Rose”. He went way past his “expiration date”(he had a way with words) and laughed all the way.Google him, you won’t regret it.
Plan ahead. The drunk with the DWI’s does NOT get the corvette, and the chemistry set goes to the MENSA candidate, and not the meth addict.

Did I mention “keep laughing?
And always remember this.

546 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:18:57pm

re: #510 realwest

{{realwest}} Stay strong. A lot of prayers are going up for you.

547 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:19:13pm

re: #544 Dark_Falcon

That why men like them are better than me.

All due respect to Lance, I know a few people that are better. You might be too.

548 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:19:31pm

re: #538 realwest

Hiya RW!

*man hug*

How’d ya like that baseball game yesterday?

549 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:19:47pm

re: #530 The Shadow Do
No man, you’re not out of line - I feel the same way. But I feel sorta helpless too - I can do a LOT of things in life, but I know nothing about how to do radiation beam therapy which seems to be my last real medical hope at this point or I’d do it myself.

It wasn’t very long ago at all that my onc said he’s never seen anyone tolerate my current treatment modality as long as I have and TODAY he does seem ready to throw in the towel.

550 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:20:02pm

re: #538 realwest

real, you are always one of the most positive people on this board on any given day. If anybody can beat this, you can. If your current docs aren’t up for the fight, others will be.

551 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:20:23pm

re: #537 ShanghaiEd

I hate to hear that, RW. Please know you’re in my thoughts and prayers. Other than that I feel sort of speechless, which you know is a rarity for me.

Fortunately, subsailor’s wonderful post at #100 conveys my feelings much better than I possibly could. Please read it and consider me a co-signer. And please keep posting whenever you feel like it.

Gee, I screwed that up. Obviously, the sub post I’m referring to is #500, not #100.

552 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:20:41pm

re: #549 realwest

No man, you’re not out of line - I feel the same way. But I feel sorta helpless too - I can do a LOT of things in life, but I know nothing about how to do radiation beam therapy which seems to be my last real medical hope at this point or I’d do it myself.

It wasn’t very long ago at all that my onc said he’s never seen anyone tolerate my current treatment modality as long as I have and TODAY he does seem ready to throw in the towel.

Can you get a new team?

553 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:22:06pm

re: #516 legalpad

I enjoyed your post. My doc is checking for something along those lines right now, that is, I’m waiting for lab results.


Hey legalpad - if y’all don’t mind me asking, do you mean your doc is searching or doing tests to see if YOU have prostate cancer?!
Cause I have some great advice for ya - e-mail me, my nic’s in blue.

554 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:22:10pm

re: #538 realwest

Hi RW, didn’t want to quote the whole post, but two things hit me. First, it doesn’t seem like you’re giving up - although I sure do understand your being tired. Second, I’m with you on not understanding your docs’ (plural) position.

Is there any possible way you can get access to one of the major cancer centers like Sloan, M.D. etc.? I only ask because that’s what you need to do if it’s at all possible.

In any event, I’ll use my absolutely minimal influence with the good Lord to ask for a bit of help for you. I’ve never asked for anything for me, so maybe He’ll give it some thought.

555 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:23:14pm

re: #547 legalpad

All due respect to Lance, I know a few people that are better. You might be too.

Thanks but I know I’m not. I’m an asshole, and I’ve probably always been one. I work to change that, but it is very hard.

556 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:25:08pm

re: #548 Racer X
There was a baseball game yesterday? Bet the Yankees won!

557 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:25:50pm

More insanity: Thousands of low-income Coloradans reliant on public assistance could get a free cellphone under a plan before the state Public Utilities Commission. [Link: www.denverpost.com…]

558 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:26:33pm

re: #556 realwest

There was a baseball game yesterday? Bet the Yankees won!

Yep, the AL won. Again. [grumble]

559 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:26:40pm

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

Thanks but I know I’m not. I’m an asshole, and I’ve probably always been one. I work to change that, but it is very hard.

No worries.

560 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:27:40pm

re: #556 realwest

There was a baseball game yesterday? Bet the Yankees won!

Ha!

Hang tough my friend. You have lots of friends here.

561 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:27:52pm

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

Being an a**hole has been confused with vigorously standing up for yourself, IMO.

562 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:29:54pm

re: #561 MrPaulRevere

Being an a**hole has been confused with vigorously standing up for yourself, IMO.

Hmmm….good point. I’d guess that when King George III first heard of John Adams and the gang, his first thought was:

“Good grief. What a bunch of assho……”

;-)

563 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:30:30pm

re: #561 MrPaulRevere

Being an a**hole has been confused with vigorously standing up for yourself, IMO.

That’s not what I do. What I do is ignore the feelings and needs of others. Sometimes I even get surprised that other people have feelings. I know that’s conceited and I work to avoid acting that. But enough about me, my problems aren’t all that big.

564 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:31:19pm

re: #554 subsailor68
Heh. Thanks sub, I’ve never prayerd for myself either - just doesn’t seem appropriate to me. But I sure don’t mind if you do.
And no, I mean the Mayo Clinic had a mini-trial last month - 8 subjects is all, they got injected with something I couldn’t pronounce and so now can’t remember and the Mayo Clinic announced it “early” because all 8 of ‘em had their Prostate Cancer Cured! Not put in remission but CURED. But there’s a ways to go from there to me - all sorts of approvals and shit - more trials for sure and then there’s always the question of how the hell do I get there from here and what about Mom? I can’t /won’t leave her here; she needs me more than ever.

565 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:32:17pm

re: #561 MrPaulRevere

Being an a**hole has been confused with vigorously standing up for yourself, IMO.

Standing up for yourself has often been vigorously confused with being an asshole.

566 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:32:35pm

re: #562 subsailor68

I’m sure Eisenhower considered Patton an a**hole too, but he never fired him. The smart ones know precisely when to dial it back.

567 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:33:25pm

re: #565 swamprat


same thing

568 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:34:14pm

re: #564 realwest

Heh. Thanks sub, I’ve never prayerd for myself either - just doesn’t seem appropriate to me. But I sure don’t mind if you do.
And no, I mean the Mayo Clinic had a mini-trial last month - 8 subjects is all, they got injected with something I couldn’t pronounce and so now can’t remember and the Mayo Clinic announced it “early” because all 8 of ‘em had their Prostate Cancer Cured! Not put in remission but CURED. But there’s a ways to go from there to me - all sorts of approvals and shit - more trials for sure and then there’s always the question of how the hell do I get there from here and what about Mom? I can’t /won’t leave her here; she needs me more than ever.

If getting you there is what needs to be done, all you need to do is ask. Even if I go bankrupt, I’d still help you with that. Again, if you need help, ask. What I can give you, I will give you.

569 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:34:41pm

re: #563 Dark_Falcon

Self improvement is a never ending task, and being aware of ones faults is a good first step.

570 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:34:41pm

re: #538 realwest

Hey sub - thanks for the kind words but it isn’t a question of “guts” or courage.
I’ve fought this fucking beast for over four long, hard and painful years and I’m NOT willing to stop fighting, but it seems as if my doctors are. I honestly don’t understand their postion.
Damnit, three months from now (I get my PSA -cancer test every three months) MAYBE the tumor will be big enough to see on a scan and they can then get a biopsy. But if it’s that big, it’s almost sure to mestastes more than it has already and then it’s a race for a biopsy and radiation before it gets my kidneys, liver, etc. etc. My onc. wasn’t all that positive about my chances and the mofo’s wouldn’t do anything by way of radiation (surgery’s out and Chemo doesn’t kill Prostate Cancer it only puts it in remission for maybe 6 months) without a biopsy.
And I’m just TIRED. Every damn day all I’ve done is take these terrible medications and get belly injections and I’m kinda wore out.

But LGF has been my connection to LIFE. And I have no intention of quitting, but I can’t win without doctors on MY side.
But your good wishes and prayers have helped me keep going, and I thank you all very much.

Stay strong, my friend, stay strong.

571 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:35:10pm

re: #564 realwest

Doctors at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota announced on Saturday details surrounding the first human trials of a prostate cancer drug called Ipilimumab.

572 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #549 realwest

No man, you’re not out of line - I feel the same way. But I feel sorta helpless too - I can do a LOT of things in life, but I know nothing about how to do radiation beam therapy which seems to be my last real medical hope at this point or I’d do it myself.

It wasn’t very long ago at all that my onc said he’s never seen anyone tolerate my current treatment modality as long as I have and TODAY he does seem ready to throw in the towel.

Then you and your onc are gonna have to push the envelope, no?

I know, easy for me to say. Why am I rooting for you so hard? I think you and I are about the same age, I have some issues but haven’t found myself up against the wall - yet. I am so in your corner that I can’t really explain it. I think you are a good man and that is probably that.

573 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:36:16pm

re: #510 realwest

(((((realwest)))))

Rough day for you. I’m so sorry your doctors are being defeatist. If there’s any way you can find another team, please, for us lizards, do so.

I understand how tired you must be. Maybe if you brought in an advocate of some kind so you don’t have to deal with talking sense to the doctors while you’re upset about test results. It might be a good idea to have a bully on your side.

Praying for the best.

574 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:36:49pm

re: #564 realwest

article here

575 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:37:54pm

re: #553 realwest

Hey legalpad - if y’all don’t mind me asking, do you mean your doc is searching or doing tests to see if YOU have prostate cancer?!
Cause I have some great advice for ya - e-mail me, my nic’s in blue.

Ok! Finally got that done. Our e-mail system here evokes Outlook Express in my computer and I never use it, so I had to wade through some set-up thing.

576 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:38:07pm

bbl

577 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:39:02pm

re: #557 MrPaulRevere

More insanity: Thousands of low-income Coloradans reliant on public assistance could get a free cellphone under a plan before the state Public Utilities Commission. [Link: www.denverpost.com…]

And who pays for the minutes? And when they go over is there any penalty? And the replacements when they lose them (because everybody loses at least one cell phone in their lifetime, even when they paid for it)? What if they sell them to others to buy drugs?

Hm. They never think these things through, do they?

578 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:41:00pm

re: #577 kynna

No, they don’t obviously. It’s a crude vote buying scheme, IMO.

579 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:41:18pm

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

Thanks but I know I’m not. I’m an asshole, and I’ve probably always been one. I work to change that, but it is very hard.

I guess you heard the one about the guy in the bar that shouted out, “All lawyers are assholes!”. Another guy at the bar said, “I resent that remark!”.
“What are you, a lawyer?”, the first guy said. “No, I’m an asshole!”, he answered.

The first step is knowing you’re an asshole.

580 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:41:31pm

re: #564 realwest

‘Nother one. More info.

June 19, 2009 — Mayo Clinic researchers say an experimental treatment may have cured two patients whose prostate cancers were so advanced they had been considered inoperable.

Both patients were reportedly free of cancer after treatment with a combination of hormone therapy, an experimental immunotherapy, and surgery.

No one was more surprised than their doctors. “This is certainly not the way we thought it would go,” Mayo urologist and immunologist Eugene Kwon, MD, tells WebMD.

He adds that the point of the treatment had been to buy some time for patients whose cancers appeared to be incurable.

The two men were originally enrolled in a study designed to determine if treatment to suppress testosterone (known as androgen ablation), followed by treatment with an experimental immunotherapy called ipilimumab, could slow the progression of advanced prostate cancer.

581 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:41:54pm

re: #564 realwest

Heh. Thanks sub, I’ve never prayerd for myself either - just doesn’t seem appropriate to me. But I sure don’t mind if you do.
And no, I mean the Mayo Clinic had a mini-trial last month - 8 subjects is all, they got injected with something I couldn’t pronounce and so now can’t remember and the Mayo Clinic announced it “early” because all 8 of ‘em had their Prostate Cancer Cured! Not put in remission but CURED. But there’s a ways to go from there to me - all sorts of approvals and shit - more trials for sure and then there’s always the question of how the hell do I get there from here and what about Mom? I can’t /won’t leave her here; she needs me more than ever.

Well, consider it done! Hey! God hasn’t heard from either of us about ourselves, so maybe we’ll have a wee bit of luck. Keep an eye on that Mayo trial…

and believe me, I know what you mean about your Mom!!

But just think:

God: “St. Peter, we have a prayer here from someone called subsailor68 about someone called realwest. What do we know about them?
St. Peter: It appears they’re both crusty old SOB’s, but seem to be good people.
God: “How crusty?”
St. Peter: “Well, they’ve been around for a long, long time, and don’t have a problem expressing their opinions.”
God: “I see. Is there any problem leaving them down there for a few more years? After all, it’s summer, and I hear the fishing is going to be great this year. We can always bring them up later, right?”
St. Peter: “It might be a wise decision, Lord.”
God: “I thought as much. Make it so!”

(With apologies to anyone who thinks God and St. Peter don’t have a sense of humor!)

582 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:42:50pm

re: #552 capitalist piglet
Hey - well see getting a new team is something I’ve been thinking about and have reached out to two doctors I know - one my internist and great friend for 35 years and the other my old oncologist from NYC to see what they think.
But I moved to the Charlotte area for three reasons: a) my dear friend Obi wan had just moved here to retire and really wanted me to “come on down” b) the cost of living and c) Charlotte Presbyterian Hospital’s Cancer Care Team has a reputation for having one of the finest Prostate Cancer centers in the US (maybe because seven years ago the CEO of the hospital developed prostate cancer, maybe for other reasons) so it’s not like I’m dealing with GP’s who “dabble” in Oncology, ya know.
That’s what’s so damn frustrating. I don’t know why, IF I’M WILLING TO KEEP FIGHTING, why the hell don’t they seem willing to keep helping me fight?

All I know is I feel like I’ve stepped outside the perimeter wire and forgot to bring my weapons.
Alone and very vulnerable.
But all y’alls prayers and good wishes and kind words have truly helped me A LOT. I do truly appreciate it very much.

583 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:45:28pm

re: #582 realwest

{{{RW}}}
I was wondering about you, my friend!

584 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:46:40pm

When day meets night and we see stars

Beauty.

585 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:47:31pm

re: #582 realwest

But all y’alls prayers and good wishes and kind words have truly helped me A LOT. I do truly appreciate it very much.

Allow me to add my [belated] best wishes for you…

586 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:48:36pm

re: #453 Gus 802

Like Capitalist Piglet said, before. I don’t know about this Communist angle you’re speaking of. Reagan, et al, was instrumental in further lowering the upper bracket from 50% to 28% in 1986. It sneaked back up to 35%. JFK, et al, lowered it to that 50%.

Gus: Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The “Communist angle” is that I was responding to Mandy’s #337, in which she commented that the folks aiming to raise the tax rate were “Commie bastards.” Obviously she’s entitled to her opinion. But I’ve heard lots of similar sentiments on this board, and many others, and I’m puzzled.

My only point is that the U.S. tax rates have been all over the board during our history…sometimes higher than now, sometimes lower. Whether the current rates are too high, too low, or just right is a subject of its own.

What I’m saying is that during my lifetime, even when taxes were much higher than now, I don’t recall Congress being called Communists for setting the rates at whatever they were. What has suddenly changed? I’ve done some reading about Communism, and as far as I can tell…high taxes, it ain’t.

Just suggesting that it may be a tad of overreaction on a lot of people’s parts. That’s my half-baked theory, that I’m asking for responses to. Sorry I went around the May pole to ask it.

587 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:49:25pm

Woo-hoo!

I think I successfully got Turkey blocked from zombietime, freezing out most of the DDS attack!

So zomblog is back online — apparently.

What a nightmare that was. Anyway, now I can update the original essay. Whew.

That was crazy. 14 million visits from Turkey in one week? They certainly knew how to time the attack! Sheesh.

588 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:50:36pm

re: #571 swamprat

Doctors at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota announced on Saturday details surrounding the first human trials of a prostate cancer drug called Ipilimumab.

THAT’S IT! That’s what I was referring to in my #564.
Thank you (it’s not yet on the Mayo website believe it or not - well, it wasn’t when I checked a couple of weeks ago although I didn’t remember the name of what I was looking for!). THANK YOU.
Here’s Wiki’s take on it for anyone interested: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

589 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:51:30pm

re: #582 realwest

It looks like we have a bit of a team here too.

590 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:52:19pm

re: #588 realwest

Absolutely glad to help.

591 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:52:31pm

re: #587 zombie

Woo-hoo!

I think I successfully got Turkey blocked from zombietime, freezing out most of the DDS attack!

So zomblog is back online — apparently.

What a nightmare that was. Anyway, now I can update the original essay. Whew.

That was crazy. 14 million visits from Turkey in one week? They certainly knew how to time the attack! Sheesh.

Damn Islamists. At we know you’re getting to them. Keep givin’ ‘em Hell, Zombie!

592 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:53:00pm

re: #588 realwest

THAT’S IT! That’s what I was referring to in my #564.
Thank you (it’s not yet on the Mayo website believe it or not - well, it wasn’t when I checked a couple of weeks ago although I didn’t remember the name of what I was looking for!). THANK YOU.
Here’s Wiki’s take on it for anyone interested: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Give Mayo a call, volunteer for the study!

593 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:56:08pm

re: #588 realwest

RW, I just emailed a freind who’s wife had a lot of help from the Mayo clinic, for a referral, and personal contact info for you.
My nic is blue. I will forward the info as soon as I get it.

594 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:59:24pm

re: #588 realwest

Find out what it does. If you can’t get it, see if you can get any of the similars that are listed on the wikipedia article.

595 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:59:33pm

re: #587 zombie
Well maybe you just have a fan club - A BIG FAN CLUB - in Turkey?!? LOL!

I am SO PROUD of you for busting out Holdren I can’t begin to express how I feel about it. I was SO FRUSTRATED in trying to help you out with Bill Ayers last November and not finding anything at all to help you (although I did help get that mofo disinvited to speak at that High School in Illinois), reading your wonderful essay on that, knowing that you’d rapped THE WHITE HOUSE upside the head! Damn fine Work Zombie!

596 swamprat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:01:22pm

Good night all you good people.
You too, ShanghaiED!

597 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:01:29pm

re: #589 legalpad
It does, doesn’t it? BTW, I did receive your e-mail and will respond shortly!

598 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:04:59pm

re: #592 jcm
Thanks jcm but it ain’t all that easy - see my #564.

599 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:06:11pm

re: #595 realwest

Well maybe you just have a fan club - A BIG FAN CLUB - in Turkey?!? LOL!

I am SO PROUD of you for busting out Holdren I can’t begin to express how I feel about it. I was SO FRUSTRATED in trying to help you out with Bill Ayers last November and not finding anything at all to help you (although I did help get that mofo disinvited to speak at that High School in Illinois), reading your wonderful essay on that, knowing that you’d rapped THE WHITE HOUSE upside the head! Damn fine Work Zombie!

zombie is da…. what ever zombie is!

But whatever zombie is, zombie sets the standard for journalism.

600 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:06:28pm

re: #593 Floral Giraffe

RW, I just emailed a freind who’s wife had a lot of help from the Mayo clinic, for a referral, and personal contact info for you.
My nic is blue. I will forward the info as soon as I get it.


WOW! Thank you very much {Floral Giraffe} I really do appreciate that and my nic’s in blue too, so any information you can pass along will be very much appreciated!

601 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:06:32pm

re: #596 swamprat

I kinda like Ed, he gives as good as he gets, he’s very civil as well.

602 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:07:41pm

Well all, must go. Please, everyone, have a wonderful evening, and a terrific day tomorrow!

And RW….sleep well. I’ll talk to ya in the morning….and am really looking forward to it!

603 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:09:10pm

re: #598 realwest

Thanks jcm but it ain’t all that easy - see my #564.

Yah, lots of details. I know.

One step at a time.

604 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:12:51pm

re: #600 realwest

I have YET to get the reverse seekrit thingy on email to work.
I know it’s me.
Email me, and I will gladly send you the contact info, when I get it.
You need to rest, it’s been a hard day.
{{RW}}

605 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:12:55pm

New levels of BDS…

‘Boeing and Bush plotted to kill me’

“President Bush, via his agents, contacted high level executives of The Boeing Company and initiated a criminal plot to retaliate against plaintiff, with intent to kidnap and kill him as primary witness to the reported crimes,”

Dude, stay away from grassy knolls, just sayin’.

606 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:13:56pm

re: #599 jcm

zombie is da…. what ever zombie is!

But whatever zombie is, zombie sets the standard for journalism.


Now why would you say that zombie sets the standard for journalism? Just because zombie is fair, researches and researches and re-researches, covers the who, what, when and why of a topic and is, ah, provative?!
Yeah, me too!

607 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:14:39pm

re: #605 jcm

Is the Seattle Post-Intelligencer the one that shut down went digital?

608 zombie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:15:09pm

re: #595 realwest

Well maybe you just have a fan club - A BIG FAN CLUB - in Turkey?!? LOL!

I am SO PROUD of you for busting out Holdren I can’t begin to express how I feel about it. I was SO FRUSTRATED in trying to help you out with Bill Ayers last November and not finding anything at all to help you (although I did help get that mofo disinvited to speak at that High School in Illinois), reading your wonderful essay on that, knowing that you’d rapped THE WHITE HOUSE upside the head! Damn fine Work Zombie!

Why, thank you! Every action that anyone takes toward good in this world is worthy of praise. No need to feel frustrated. Intentions are what matters, not any visible “payoff”! Even searching down a blind alley is helping the cause, because you can report back — Nothing to see in that alley! That’s useful information.

The player who shoots the goal is not the hero. It’s the other players who set up the play and who got the shooter the ball who are the heroes.

609 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:15:25pm

re: #557 MrPaulRevere

More insanity: Thousands of low-income Coloradans reliant on public assistance could get a free cellphone under a plan before the state Public Utilities Commission. [Link: www.denverpost.com…]

re: #577 kynna

And who pays for the minutes? And when they go over is there any penalty? And the replacements when they lose them (because everybody loses at least one cell phone in their lifetime, even when they paid for it)? What if they sell them to others to buy drugs?

Hm. They never think these things through, do they?

Kynna & MrPaul: I don’t know enough about this particular program to judge if it’s a good idea or bad idea. As you say, the article raises a lot more questions than it answers.

Still, I don’t think it’s fair to automatically presume that a cell phone is a ridiculous luxury for people who are struggling. How do you apply for a job these days, if you don’t have a phone? Do you give them the number of the pay phone at your apartment building? Nope, pay phones are gone.

Give them the cell numbers of your drugged-out neighbors, who may or may not relay the message, even if they answer? What if you’re homeless? I hear tons of jokes about homeless people having cell phones, but who can put a cell phone to better immediate use than somebody who’s hungry and wanting to work?

If we’re expecting people in bad circumstances to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, a cheap cell phone is one of the most useful “bootstraps” I can think of, in the real world.

Is there potential for abusing the program? Sure. Every program known to mankind gets abused. But if one person in ten is able to use a cheap cell phone to get off the welfare rolls at some point, doesn’t that save taxpayer dollars in the long run?

610 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:15:53pm

re: #605 jcm

New levels of BDS…

‘Boeing and Bush plotted to kill me’

Dude, stay away from grassy knolls, just sayin’.

Just garden variety Bad Craziness. That man needs some institutional treatment, cause he’s Bark-At-The-Moon Crazy,

611 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:16:10pm

re: #607 Fenway_Nation

Is the Seattle Post-Intelligencer the one that shut down went digital?

Yep, dang thing just won’t die…..

612 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:17:23pm

re: #607 Fenway_Nation

Is the Seattle Post-Intelligencer the one that shut down went digital?

Yep, that’s the one: Now 100% online, same clueless liberalism. Dumbasses have learned nothing.

613 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:17:37pm

re: #610 Dark_Falcon

Just garden variety Bad Craziness. That man needs some institutional treatment, cause he’s Bark-At-The-Moon Crazy,

Remember, paranoids have enemies too!

///

That one was just too funny not to share.

614 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:20:10pm

Here’s the google results for Dr. Kwon, Mayo clinic!
Includes a “contact us” linky!
GO!
[Link: mayoresearch.mayo.edu…]

615 revobob  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:20:18pm

re: #501 ShanghaiEd

VT, that’s a different argument and one that I don’t want to get into, right now. My posts were taking issue with a note that was critical of private charity helping children overseas, and that’s all I’m talking about. I think helping children overseas through private charity is great. Nobody else has to agree.

ShanghaiEd- Just to be clear, I was NOT being critical of private charity or anyone who chooses to contribute- in better times we have too. I guess I didn’t state my case very well, but I am tired of feeling like the whole world is playing us for suckers and fools. And even at that I said in the first comment that I get angry at myself for feeling that way, because I was raised to help people in need.

616 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:23:11pm

Time for me to get to bed. Talk to you all tomorrow.

617 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:23:47pm

Doug Kershaw: Louisiana Man*

Youtube Video

*audio’s a bit low, but clear enough

618 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:24:07pm

re: #611 jcm

Any pretense of ‘journalism’ died with that article, tho’.

619 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:24:17pm

re: #596 swamprat

Good night all you good people.
You too, ShanghaiED!

Sweet dreams, swampy!

620 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:25:01pm

re: #616 Dark_Falcon

G’nite, dark falcon

621 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:25:14pm

re: #616 Dark_Falcon

Sleep tight! G’night!

622 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:25:40pm

re: #605 jcm

New levels of BDS…

‘Boeing and Bush plotted to kill me’

Dude, stay away from grassy knolls, just sayin’.

I kind of feel bad for that guy; it looks like he has had mental problems:

Keyter has also sued Arizona’s two senators, including Sen. John McCain, alleging numerous and vague crimes, according to a 2006 report in The Hill.

According to his Web site, Keyter has also sued former attorney general John Ashcroft, Air India, Ford Motor Co., “known insurgents” and members of the 110th Congress.

623 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:26:24pm

re: #604 Floral Giraffe

I have YET to get the reverse seekrit thingy on email to work.
I know it’s me.
Email me, and I will gladly send you the contact info, when I get it.
You need to rest, it’s been a hard day.
{{RW}}


Hey there {{Floral Giraffe}} I managed to get it to work and have sent you an e-mail!

624 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:27:24pm

re: #622 iceweasel

I’m just wondering why the P-I thought it was particularly newsworthy.

625 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:28:07pm

re: #608 zombie
OK, I can buy that, but you are one of my heros - no two ways about it.
And yes, I am totally serious!

626 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:28:29pm

What would people think if I called Zombie’s blog an “extremist blog”?

/just wondering…

627 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:28:45pm

re: #618 Fenway_Nation

Any pretense of ‘journalism’ died with that article, tho’.

That died at the Seattle Least Intelligence a long time ago.

Back in the early days of the Afghan campaign they jumped on the “cluster bomb controversy” they published photos of purported unexploded US cluster bombs and standard bombs. I gave them detailed information showing the pictures of the “cluster bombs” they used were piles of Russian mortar rounds and the “bomb” was a fuel tank.

Nothing, no retractions nothing.

PI is like one of the horror movies, the damn thing just won’t die, even though its been dead a long time.

628 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:29:53pm

re: #626 freetoken

What would people think if I called Zombie’s blog an “extremist blog”?

/just wondering…

Extremely effective journalism?

Concur.

629 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:30:20pm

re: #627 jcm

haha, zombie car companies, zombie banks and now zombie media

630 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:32:19pm

re: #629 mrshankly01

(by the way, the use of term zombie has no relation to the esteemed LGF contributor who shall remain nameless, faceless, and genderless)

631 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:32:46pm

re: #609 ShanghaiEd

To get a job one obviously needs to be clean and wear decent clothes; perhaps we should pay for the soap and give them a clothes voucher too? They need cars in decent mechanical shape. Perhaps an auto voucher is in order. Where does this end and self reliance begin? Just askin’

632 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:33:23pm

re: #623 realwest

Someone I know is in an experimental treatment for prostate cancer, r/w; they thought he had kicked it, but it came back, and he’s been told this is his best hope. If you would like to know more about it, I can find out and email you, if you are okay with that.

I think this one is in Seattle…I would guess at Fred Hutchinson.

633 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:33:33pm

re: #627 jcm


I recall when the Air Force Predator drones began firing missiles at targets in Pakistan. One of the MSM mouthpieces had the a Pashtun family pose in front of a pile of rubble in front of an inert 155mm shell….the caption seemed to imply that it was one of the missiles that the drone fired.

I’m guessing the Post Intelligence would jump on any Al-Qaida or Taliban claim that US or allies airstrikes actually wiped out wedding party with lots of children and innocent civilians…..

634 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:34:03pm

re: #601 MrPaulRevere

I kinda like Ed, he gives as good as he gets, he’s very civil as well.

I appreciate the kind words, PaulR. Same to you.

Actually, I think swamp’s gruff reference to me was tongue-in-cheek, as he’s my Official Nemesis here. Or one of ‘em, at least. :) We get along pretty good.

635 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:35:18pm

re: #626 freetoken

You don’t want to know the answer.

636 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:36:07pm

re: #624 Fenway_Nation

I’m just wondering why the P-I thought it was particularly newsworthy.

Beats me. If you look at the article it does give the clear impression that the guy’s a nut, so it’s not like they’re endorsing his claims. They even quote a Boeing spokesperson who says as tactfully as possible that anyone looking at this guy’s suit is going to know what he’s all about.

The P-I is pretty crappy though, that’s true.

637 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:36:41pm

re: #632 capitalist piglet
I am more that cool with that - my nic is in blue, please feel free to send anything you have on it to me!
And thank you very much.

638 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:36:43pm

Drive-by post. It has been a very long day.

G’nite, Lizards. Sweet dreams!

639 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:37:45pm

re: #632 capitalist piglet

Someone I know is in an experimental treatment for prostate cancer, r/w; they thought he had kicked it, but it came back, and he’s been told this is his best hope. If you would like to know more about it, I can find out and email you, if you are okay with that.

I think this one is in Seattle…I would guess at Fred Hutchinson.

Fred and Seattle Cancer Alliance which combines all the top resources.

640 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:38:30pm

re: #638 NY Nana

Whoa there- slow down Nana….

*thump thump*

See….you just ran over ShanghaiEd. What would you have done if you had actually hit something of value?
/

641 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:38:44pm

re: #586 ShanghaiEd

Gus: Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The “Communist angle” is that I was responding to Mandy’s #337, in which she commented that the folks aiming to raise the tax rate were “Commie bastards.” Obviously she’s entitled to her opinion. But I’ve heard lots of similar sentiments on this board, and many others, and I’m puzzled.

My only point is that the U.S. tax rates have been all over the board during our history…sometimes higher than now, sometimes lower. Whether the current rates are too high, too low, or just right is a subject of its own.

What I’m saying is that during my lifetime, even when taxes were much higher than now, I don’t recall Congress being called Communists for setting the rates at whatever they were. What has suddenly changed? I’ve done some reading about Communism, and as far as I can tell…high taxes, it ain’t.

Just suggesting that it may be a tad of overreaction on a lot of people’s parts. That’s my half-baked theory, that I’m asking for responses to. Sorry I went around the May pole to ask it.

Ed, understood. I just took a hot bath, drank some hot chocolate and consumed a bratwurst. Onward and upward!

Or something. ;)

642 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:38:52pm

Oh good, I’m getting tired enough to sleep. I’ll talk to you good folks later.

643 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:39:18pm

re: #587 zombie

Did you see this?

“Thanks to resourceful bloggers,”

644 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:39:45pm

re: #633 Fenway_Nation

I recall when the Air Force Predator drones began firing missiles at targets in Pakistan. One of the MSM mouthpieces had the a Pashtun family pose in front of a pile of rubble in front of an inert 155mm shell….the caption seemed to imply that it was one of the missiles that the drone fired.

I’m guessing the Post Intelligence would jump on any Al-Qaida or Taliban claim that US or allies airstrikes actually wiped out wedding party with lots of children and innocent civilians…..

MSM is allergic to the military, the amount and level of ignorance about the military in the media is astounding. And all they have to do is hire a vet to proof the stories to catch most of the bull.

That tells me the “agenda” is more important that the “facts.”

645 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:41:55pm

Night Honcos!

Truth is confirmed by inspection and delay; falsehood by haste and uncertainty.
Publius Cornelius Tacitus

646 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:42:41pm

re: #645 jcm

G’nite jcm….

May that seemingly invincible monster continue to die slowly by its own hand….

647 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:43:14pm

re: #631 MrPaulRevere

To get a job one obviously needs to be clean and wear decent clothes; perhaps we should pay for the soap and give them a clothes voucher too? They need cars in decent mechanical shape. Perhaps an auto voucher is in order. Where does this end and self reliance begin? Just askin’

Well, it clearly begins and ends at whatever level the government agrees to provide at any given time. I think it’s good, in principle, to help people…especially to help people get jobs. I don’t think “zero” is the answer to “where does it end?”, and I don’t think “why not buy ‘em a car?” is anything but a smoke screen. Nobody I know has advocated cars. Why bring it up?

I was just saying that a cell phone is not necessarily a luxury, these days. My sole point. If you think it is, I’ve no problem disagreeing with you.

648 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:43:54pm

Well y’all - you’ve done it again - you’ve picked up my spirits quite a bit. I was really depressed cause I want to keep fighting and it appears that my oncologists down here don’t think I should; y’all have convinced me with your kind words, prayers, wishes for good luck and maybe some more concrete help with the Mayo Clinic angle and all.

Thank {{{{{LIZZARDS}}}}}}}} - I’m gonna go answer some e-mails and get some rest for the fights to come. I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

649 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:44:38pm

re: #648 realwest

Well y’all - you’ve done it again - you’ve picked up my spirits quite a bit. I was really depressed cause I want to keep fighting and it appears that my oncologists down here don’t think I should; y’all have convinced me with your kind words, prayers, wishes for good luck and maybe some more concrete help with the Mayo Clinic angle and all.

Thank {{{{{LIZZARDS}}}}}}}} - I’m gonna go answer some e-mails and get some rest for the fights to come. I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

See you later Realwest.

650 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:45:33pm

re: #648 realwest


Take care!

651 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:46:04pm

re: #647 ShanghaiEd

a car isn’t really a smokescreen. i am sure ten years ago, someone said a cellphone was a smokescreen of an argument. MPR is just expssing worry that every year we progress to giving people more and more free crap.

652 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:47:11pm

re: #630 mrshankly01

(by the way, the use of term zombie has no relation to the esteemed LGF contributor who shall remain nameless, faceless, and genderless)

Hey, have you ever seen a steamed zombie?

Oh. Esteemed. I didn’t have my reading glasses. Carry on.

653 Syrah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:47:36pm

re: #648 realwest

Never give up.

Never surrender.

Fight.

Always fight.

You have nothing to lose.

654 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:48:07pm

re: #653 Syrah

ditto RW, you are in my prayers.

655 jvic  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:48:20pm

Hi, Ice & Ed. Hope all’s well.

A couple of afterthoughts about your favorite financial institution:

1. IMO the issue is not whether GS made record profits, but whether they took inappropriate risks in doing so. Were they smarter than the competition, or were they more reckless? We can ill afford a sudden collapse of one of the few supposedly healthy financial bastions.

2. Note that Barney Frank, who played a key role in keeping the Fannies heading toward the abyss, remains perhaps the most important Congressional policymaker on regulatory reform. With nary a peep from the media.

I’m just reinforcing my contention that the meltdown was systemic and it makes little sense to describe it in terms of a single archvillain. Though I grant that some were more villainous than others.
**********
I’m going to try to return to a healthier schedule, so good night to all.

656 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:49:04pm

re: #647 ShanghaiEd

Ed, that was a tad snarky but I think I made a valid point about ‘mission creep’ with social services.

657 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:50:13pm

By the way. I was searching before regarding clinical trials and you can search for them here:

ClinicalTrials.gov

You will find Mayo Clinic trials there as well.

658 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:50:25pm

re: #640 Fenway_Nation

You of all people should recognize a Bahstahn driver! ;) You and I may not live there anymore, but we still are Bahstahn drivers…uh, maybe not, in my case, as I gave up my license when I was pregnant with my first, in 1963!

BTW, for anyone who does not have a mobile phone, the Government has a plan that is free if you meet a certain income level. It is totally legit. It will not show if I put it in as a clickon, seriously….security.

Just Google ‘safelink wireless’, and it should come up for you to use, and see if you qualify. No one should have to be without a phone.

Google it without the ’ ‘.

659 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:51:47pm

re: #636 iceweasel

Beats me. If you look at the article it does give the clear impression that the guy’s a nut, so it’s not like they’re endorsing his claims. They even quote a Boeing spokesperson who says as tactfully as possible that anyone looking at this guy’s suit is going to know what he’s all about.

The P-I is pretty crappy though, that’s true.

Hey, Ice! I just now saw you, over there. How are you?

As far as the PI article, I thought they considered the Boeing suit newsworthy as in “News of the Weird.” Just crazy stuff, for entertainment sake, like the “dumb crooks” series. I enjoy such stuff, myself. A break from the grind, and I feel smart by comparison. :)

660 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:53:40pm

re: #658 NY Nana

Heh….I remember (not too fondly) the rotaries. The funny thing is, they reconfigured an intersection four or five years ago for two highways near my mother’s hometown…….to accomodate a rotary.

What right thinking highway planner intentionally incorporates a rotary into their blueprints in the 21st century!?

661 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:54:21pm

re: #626 freetoken

What would people think if I called Zombie’s blog an “extremist blog”?

/just wondering…

Don’t hold back if you have something to say.

662 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:54:43pm

re: #660 Fenway_Nation

i think they found they are much safer than intersections.

663 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:55:20pm

re: #659 ShanghaiEd

Hey, Ice! I just now saw you, over there. How are you?

As far as the PI article, I thought they considered the Boeing suit newsworthy as in “News of the Weird.” Just crazy stuff, for entertainment sake, like the “dumb crooks” series. I enjoy such stuff, myself. A break from the grind, and I feel smart by comparison. :)

Hey Ed! What’s shaking?

Yes, I think the P-I was basically covering it in the “news of the weird” category. Speaking of which, have people seen this?


Cats Do Control Humans, Study Finds

If you’ve ever wondered who’s in control, you or your cat, a new study points to the obvious. It’s your cat.

Household cats exercise this control with a certain type of urgent-sounding, high-pitched meow, according to the findings.

This meow is actually a purr mixed with a high-pitched cry. While people usually think of cat purring as a sign of happiness, some cats make this purr-cry sound when they want to be fed. The study showed that humans find these mixed calls annoying and difficult to ignore.

“The embedding of a cry within a call that we normally associate with contentment is quite a subtle means of eliciting a response,” said Karen McComb of the University of Sussex. “Solicitation purring is probably more acceptable to humans than overt meowing, which is likely to get cats ejected from the bedroom.”

They know us.

Previous research has shown similarities between cat cries and human infant cries.

McComb suggests that the purr-cry may subtly take advantage of humans’ sensitivity to cries they associate with nurturing offspring. Also, including the cry within the purr could make the sound “less harmonic and thus more difficult to habituate to,” she said.

664 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:55:59pm

re: #662 mrshankly01


You gotta be kidding me…..those things are ‘every motorist for themselves’ quasi bumper car rides that do double duty as an intersection for state highways…

665 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:57:08pm

re: #626 freetoken

What would people think if I called Zombie’s blog an “extremist blog”?

/just wondering…

This is a case study in passive/aggressive rhetoric dear readers.

666 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:58:19pm

LOL! I just set the Barrycare flow chart as my desktop and now I can’t find a damn thing!

667 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:58:54pm

re: #665 MrPaulRevere

This is a case study in passive/aggressive rhetoric dear readers.

No, it is not. I have already given opinion on Zombie’s post. What I am doing is trying to gauge the reaction to a link I plan on putting in the overnight spin-offs.

668 Syrah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:59:35pm

re: #626 freetoken

What would people think if I called Zombie’s blog an “extremist blog”?

/just wondering…

Why do you feel a need to ask?

669 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:00:39pm

re: #648 realwest

Hooray!
(Swift kick to the patootie!)
Hang in there, my friend!

670 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:03:15pm

re: #662 mrshankly01

i think they found they are much safer than intersections.

Because your car is only struck a glancing blow, rather than T-boned? :)

I’ve driven a big rotary once, and it scared the crap out of me.

671 irish rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:03:46pm

Evening, lizards.
It’s late and I’m still awake… bummer.

Defenseman has another excellent post up, for your late night/early morning reading pleasure.

672 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:04:21pm

re: #664 Fenway_Nation

Roundabouts

I think they have perfected a new type of design. I am not sure what the one that was built near you was, but the book TRAFFIC says that they are proving to be safer for drivers. (i don’t know why the amazon link says that it hasn’t been published yet, i read this last year)

673 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:05:53pm

re: #667 freetoken

You think Zombie is an extremist, obviously. If you want to play head games and word games, that’s your business. I’m a plain spoken man, I rarely mince words.

674 irish rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:06:02pm

Real west, are you still here?
I have an item that you can add to the prayer list, it’s a good thing :).

675 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:06:10pm

re: #668 Syrah

Why do you feel a need to ask?

Wondering if there is anyone registered (and looking) who had any critical thoughts on Zombie’s Holdren piece. If not, then I guess I am by myself out here on the limb….

676 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:06:21pm

re: #670 ShanghaiEd

maybe that is what makes it safer, everyone is paying attention. the book by tom Vanderbilt that I put up a couple of comments ago is really good at breaking down traffic in efficiency and in safety.

677 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:09:17pm

re: #643 LC LaWedgie

Did you see this?

“Thanks to resourceful bloggers,”

Why do I read the comments after these things. Most are absolute idiots.

Great job, Zombie! You ‘resourceful blogger’, you. ;D

678 Syrah  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:11:24pm

re: #675 freetoken

Wondering if there is anyone registered (and looking) who had any critical thoughts on Zombie’s Holdren piece. If not, then I guess I am by myself out here on the limb….

If your criticism is fair and you can articulate it well, your comments will be judged accordingly. Some people will be fair. Some will not.

I wouldn’t worry so much about being out on a limb by yourself. You might well be. It should be the least of your worries.

Being a contrarian is not something to be afraid of.

679 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:12:03pm

Speaking of British: [Link: www.britballnow.co.uk…]
I fucking love being an American and I’ll be watching *all* of my Thanksgiving *football* — yeah, that’s GRIDIRON football — in Munich, Germany.

680 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:12:54pm

re: #675 freetoken

Wondering if there is anyone registered (and looking) who had any critical thoughts on Zombie’s Holdren piece. If not, then I guess I am by myself out here on the limb….

You’re not alone. We’ve talked about this before, I think. I was glad you dug up that video that Charles posted.

681 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:13:16pm

re: #676 mrshankly01

maybe that is what makes it safer, everyone is paying attention. the book by tom Vanderbilt that I put up a couple of comments ago is really good at breaking down traffic in efficiency and in safety.

Tom Vanderbilt. Yes! That rings a bell. I heard him interviewed on radio, and his ideas were intriguing.

As with other research topics, it seems some of the best ideas go against “accepted wisdom.” Keeps life interesting.

682 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:13:27pm

re: #626 freetoken

What would people think if I called Zombie’s blog an “extremist blog”?

/just wondering…

I would think you are a “liberal” who doesn’t want people to read Zombie’s posts with an open mind.

Did I get it right?

683 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:14:51pm

re: #682 kynna

Classic stuff, brevity is the soul of wit.

684 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:15:18pm

re: #667 freetoken

No, it is not. I have already given opinion on Zombie’s post. What I am doing is trying to gauge the reaction to a link I plan on putting in the overnight spin-offs.

Post it and don’t worry about the reaction!

685 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:15:50pm

re: #681 ShanghaiEd

yea, definitely. you would love the book then. it is in the same vein as freakonomics. he talks about how, if you make a street look like a pedestrian area, drivers drive really slow and safely. also, if your car is low to the ground, you have a greater sensation of speed than when it is high (I can vouch for that from being deployed)

686 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:18:14pm

re: #685 mrshankly01

if your car is low to the ground, you have a greater sensation of speed than when it is high (I can vouch for that from being deployed)

Hell, just look out the window of a plane at 38,000 feet. The Rockies pass by very sloooooowly, even at 550 mph.

687 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:18:19pm

re: #682 kynna


Did I get it right?

No.

688 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:19:35pm

re: #686 SFGoth

true, but it even works for the difference between a sports car and a Denali

689 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:20:19pm

re: #687 freetoken

More word games. You obviously have something to say; say it.

690 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:25:44pm

re: #609 ShanghaiEd

I am 99% sure that this program will be abused to the tune of many more dollars than will be saved by those who might get off welfare. Minutes are expensive. Government minutes will be even more so. This will also necessitate a department where the program is handled and phones are distributed. More tax payer $$ out the door. More tax payer $$ for cronies.

And more questions: will they be able to track the phone calls to ensure the phones are being used only for job search and emergencies? Will that invade privacy? How many replacement phones is a person allowed? How long will they be eligible to have a phone? After two years of free phone usage and no job in sight, will they continue to have access to the program? Will people in the US illegally have access to the program?

A lot of people want to feel really good about being compassionate with other people’s money. And when the program they espouse is the inevitable money pit, they’re loathe to give up the feel-good. Sorry if I’m cynical, but I’ve seen it too many times.

691 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:27:27pm

Just read something funny regarding Zombieblog/Holdren, etc:

Science Progress is a project of the Center for American Progress, a non-profit, non-partisan 501(c)3 educational and research organization.

Right, and I’m Wendell Willkie. The President and Chief Executive Office for CAP is hyper-partisan and John Podesta.

The rest are former Clinton or Democratic party staff members. Why can’t they be honest and stop calling themselves “non-partisan.”

692 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:28:26pm

re: #690 kynna

You may be right. Let’s hope it works out for the best.

693 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:29:19pm

re: #678 Syrah


I wouldn’t worry so much about being out on a limb by yourself. You might well be. It should be the least of your worries.

Being a contrarian is not something to be afraid of.

Oh, I often take the contrarian position here, so that is something with which I am comfortable.

Rather, there is something else that is bugging me. I’ve already given a couple of criticisms of Zombie’s latest post… no need to reiterate that here. Yet, I feel a bit uneasy with how many people here not only accepted Zombie’s entry uncritically (that is, without any questions) but also how many people (especially on other blog sites) have simply used it as a springboard for strangeness. (To Charles’ credit, his own comment when posting the link correctly cast the original material (by Holdren) into the proper context of an academic discussion over possible future scenarios.)

I first read LGF during the Rathergate stuff… and was very impressed. To this day, I don’t look on LGF as a “conservative” blog but rather as a we-fact-check-your-ass (WFCYA) blog.

It just seems to me that too many people want to too easily accept any link/spin-off/entry that reinforces their own beliefs, rather than as a point of departure for digging deeper.

I often, and will continue to, put up spin-off links that may otherwise not be posted by the majority of lizards. Some get few clicks, a few get many clicks. Hopefully by reading other opinions someone will find a benefit.

694 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:30:01pm

re: #689 MrPaulRevere

More word games. You obviously have something to say; say it.

Seriously. It had better be worth the build-up! I’m on the edge of my seat.

695 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:32:27pm

There is conservative and there is Conservative. There is a difference.

696 irish rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:33:44pm

Finally, I’m tired enough to get some sleep.
Catch ya’ll on the morning DT.

697 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:35:40pm

re: #693 freetoken


Rather, there is something else that is bugging me. I’ve already given a couple of criticisms of Zombie’s latest post… no need to reiterate that here. Yet, I feel a bit uneasy with how many people here not only accepted Zombie’s entry uncritically (that is, without any questions) but also how many people (especially on other blog sites) have simply used it as a springboard for strangeness. (To Charles’ credit, his own comment when posting the link correctly cast the original material (by Holdren) into the proper context of an academic discussion over possible future scenarios.)

(snip)

I often, and will continue to, put up spin-off links that may otherwise not be posted by the majority of lizards. Some get few clicks, a few get many clicks. Hopefully by reading other opinions someone will find a benefit.

Agree with you, both on the criticisms of Zombie’s latest and on the increasingly strange uses to which it is being put elsewhere in the blogosphere (which Kilgore foresaw, if I remember correctly).

I’d say post the link, because there are always some who will read it and hopefully find a benefit. There are always people on both sides who don’t want to encounter something that shakes a dearly held belief, but I think the majority of people here are willing to at least look at opposing views on most subjects. Just my opinion, of course.

698 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:37:46pm

re: #693 freetoken

I still don’t understand the ‘extremist blog’ question. Zombie does his/her homework and puts the research out there for all to see. No spin. It’s all there. How is that extremist?

699 kynna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:45:13pm

re: #697 iceweasel

Agree with you, both on the criticisms of Zombie’s latest and on the increasingly strange uses to which it is being put elsewhere in the blogosphere (which Kilgore foresaw, if I remember correctly).

I haven’t seen these strange uses. Do you have some links or at least some blog names? I’ll Google, but I’m not sure if we’ll find the same things ‘strange’. Especially if you’re also on the Zombie blog = extremist train. Now that I find strange.

700 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:51:36pm

re: #693 freetoken

You talk a lot but you don’t say very much.

701 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:52:04pm

Holdren is more about politics and power then he is about science. Yes, he has an impressive scientific background short of his extremist ideas of his youth. However, don’t fool yourself into thinking that this “Science Czar” is an unquestionable representative of this fictional idea of science as a “collective practice” in the United States. He is there to serve the needs of the Obama Administration and the current and future interests of the Democratic Party.

702 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:54:18pm

re: #699 kynna

Anyone critical of Obama will be remorselessly attacked and accused of being ‘extremist’.

703 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:54:53pm

re: #699 kynna

I haven’t seen these strange uses. Do you have some links or at least some blog names? I’ll Google, but I’m not sure if we’ll find the same things ‘strange’. Especially if you’re also on the Zombie blog = extremist train. Now that I find strange.

I don’t think it’s an ‘extremist’ blog, no.

It’s been picked up by people like StormFront and Alex Jones. I’d rather not link. One of the stories Jones is now running as a result has the title:

“Obama Science Czar’s Plan To Sterilize Population Through Water Supply Already Happening “

704 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:55:49pm

re: #702 MrPaulRevere

Anyone critical of Obama will be remorselessly attacked and accused of being ‘extremist’.

I think I found it. It’s titled:

“Description misrepresented as endorsement”: Bludgeoning Obama’s science advisor with a 1977 textbook

Unless I’m mistaken. It’s written by a Jessica Palmer.

Si o no?

705 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:02:10am

Si Si esse…..People who play passive/aggressive word games will always get the short end of my keyboard. Have a great Thursday.

706 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:03:24am

re: #705 MrPaulRevere

Si Si esse…..People who play passive/aggressive word games will always get the short end of my keyboard. Have a great Thursday.

Later.

707 Syrah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:31:26am

re: #693 freetoken

I would rather that you be more forward and plain with your criticisms of Zombei’s post then put out all of this pre-post angst about it. Your comments thus far smack of an attempt to poison the well. That may not have been your intent, but that is how it is coming across.

708 kynna  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:56:06am

re: #703 iceweasel

I don’t think it’s an ‘extremist’ blog, no.

It’s been picked up by people like StormFront and Alex Jones. I’d rather not link. One of the stories Jones is now running as a result has the title:

“Obama Science Czar’s Plan To Sterilize Population Through Water Supply Already Happening “

So Zombie shouldn’t have done the research and put together the post? Is Zombie’s blog responsible for Alex Jones and should Zombie not put the information out there because an extremist might pick it up and do something else with it?

Here’s the thing about Zombie’s blog, IMO. There’s a POV apparent. No mistake. But all the source material is available and the POV on that source material is easy to track. This is very different from ‘extremist’ blogs including Kos and HuffPo who make baseless allegations with anonymous sources at best.

Sorry if I seem prickly and defensive on Zombie’s behalf. I guess I am. I admire the work that Zombie has done and I see the success of some of his/her posts potentially leading to smears in order to distract from the actual point of the story.

I actually came back on tonight to look for the Freetoken link that was supposed to upset us, but it’s still not here. I might not remember to look for it tomorrow and, if so, then let me say in advance, I’m sorry I missed it.

709 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:17:19am

re: #708 kynna

Don’t know what link FT was thinking of posting, but this article someone found upthread was excellent:

Description misrepresented as endorsement

Nails it, in my opinion.

710 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:22:37am

Also, Chris Mooney does a good job on this over at science progress:

[Link: www.scienceprogress.org…]

Paul and Anne Ehrlich have also refuted the charges—they sent out an email observing that “We were not then, never have been, and are not now ‘advocates’ of the Draconian measures for population limitation described—but not recommended—in the book’s 60-plus small-type pages cataloging the full spectrum of population policies that, at the time, had either been tried in some country or analyzed by some commentator.” In his Senate confirmation hearing—yes, Fox, there was one—Holdren also rejected the idea that he supports government-mandated efforts at population control.

But wait, you may be wondering: How do I know that the Ehrlichs are right about the their 1977 text, and not the conservatives? Well, because I walked over to the Engineering Library on the Princeton University campus, where I’m located, and got the book. And I can see how one could misread a text this old—from such a different time. But nevertheless, the criticism of Holdren today on this basis is exceedingly thin and stretched. The book is three decades old; Holdren isn’t its first author; it takes a stance against such policies; and neither Holdren nor the Ehrlichs support these policies today, either. Couldn’t we talk about something that’s actually important and contemporary?

I’d still recommend the first link for the more thorough takedown.

711 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:50:11am

re: #710 iceweasel

Also, Chris Mooney does a good job on this over at science progress:

[Link: www.scienceprogress.org…]

I’d still recommend the first link for the more thorough takedown.

Thus we find Jessica Palmer claiming that John Holdren was the “third author” and Chris Mooney indicating that “Paul and Anne Ehrlich have also refuted the charges” regarding the so called draconian measures found within Ecoscience. The former reverts to a short observation that some of the examples are based on that of Johnson C. Montgomery. However, upon reading the page see cites continues to endorse the idea of government controlled population control.

Yes, the primary protagonist for zero population growth was Paul Ehrlich. However, as indicated by Mooney they deny that they ever intended to promote government sanctioned population control — even though it is promoted in Ecoscience. John Holdren as the “third author” now has the ability to play a tertiary role. One has to ask what then was the intention of these writings and which of the three authors were behind these theories?

Now, this was written in 1977. At the time zero population ideas including radical ones such as these were very common both in academia and within pedestrian progressive circles. For a time I too felt that population growth was the “greatest threat to ever face mankind. I see no reason why Ehrilch, Ehrilch, and Holdren should shy away from their former beliefs which many in America held. Many of us even at LGF are guilty of having held far-left radical ideas such as these.

Zombie has a legitimate concern and while it might not meet the scientific requirements of analysis it disseminates important information regarding Holdren’s background. The fact remains that he is a political appointee whose impact will be felt beyond social grounds but economic, technological, and industrial grounds. Palmer states that this may be the result of “cynical political opportunism.” The reality may be thus since John Holdren does not represent science as much as he does politics. Any member of the scientific will have to accept that reality regardless of their political ideology.

712 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:53:41am

re: #711 Gus 802

Correction — last sentence:

Any member of the scientific community will have to accept that reality regardless of their political ideology.

713 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:00:39am

re: #711 Gus 802


Zombie has a legitimate concern

I think Jessica Palmer deals with that thoroughly in the second section of her post.

714 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:11:29am

re: #713 iceweasel

I think Jessica Palmer deals with that thoroughly in the second section of her post.

I disagree. It is clearly a partisan response and one that I wouldn’t expect from someone claiming to have a scientific background (Palmer). Additionally it is also written in a childish manner in many places although many might confuse that with snark. She even goes as far as quoting the official White House response to some of the concerns.

Some excerpts:

The sad thing here is that Carpenter’s story, like the extremist blog post that appears to be her only source (which I’ll discuss later), doesn’t recognize the distinction between talking about something and endorsing something.

snip

So let’s look at the zombietime blog post, which has the restrained, thoughtful title “John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet,” and was based on an earlier attack on Holdren in Frontpage magazine.

She is calling Zombietime blog extremist. This is what Freetoken refered to. Are you going to endorse someone that characterizes Zombietime as extremist? Just for the matter of referring to a book co-authored by an Obama administration “science czar?”

Then there’s the final paragraph:

It used to be that even in the Vatican, the Devil had his advocate. Now it seems the rules have changed: anyone who studies the Devil must worship him. Sometimes I think it’s not safe for scientists to talk about anything anymore… !

Who is Palmer referring to? Is she stating that Amanda Carpenter worships “the devil” or Zombie? Seems a bit reactionary and tinged with subtle theocratic assumptions.

715 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:32:23am

re: #714 Gus 802

She is calling Zombietime blog extremist. This is what Freetoken refered to. Are you going to endorse someone that characterizes Zombietime as extremist?

I can dispute the characterisation of the blog as ‘extremist’, while agreeing with everything else in that post. Indeed, that is my position.

Then there’s the final paragraph:

It used to be that even in the Vatican, the Devil had his advocate. Now it seems the rules have changed: anyone who studies the Devil must worship him. Sometimes I think it’s not safe for scientists to talk about anything anymore… !
Who is Palmer referring to? Is she stating that Amanda Carpenter worships “the devil” or Zombie? Seems a bit reactionary and tinged with subtle theocratic assumptions.

Not at all. You’re misreading Palmer. She’s referring to the old Vatican position of “Devil’s Advocate”: the person charged with arguing against the canonisation of anyone nominated for sainthood. That person wasn’t literally ‘on the devil’s side’, but was entrusted with making the strongest possible argument for the opposing view.

So too here. Palmer is pointing out that in science and in academia, many positions are dispassionately discussed. Discussion is not endorsement. That’s the point of her piece.

People are wrong to construe Holdren as endorsing these positions, as construing him that way reveals either a misunderstanding of the book and of the nature of scientific discussion— or a deliberate misreading for the purposes of promoting a political agenda.

716 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:35:40am

re: #715 iceweasel

Ah, OK. I’m not very sharp this early in the morning.

OK, then a correction is due:

Then there’s the final paragraph:

It used to be that even in the Vatican, the Devil had his advocate. Now it seems the rules have changed: anyone who studies the Devil must worship him. Sometimes I think it’s not safe for scientists to talk about anything anymore… !

Who is Palmer referring to? Is she stating that Amanda Carpenter worships “the devil” or Zombie? Seems a bit reactionary and tinged with subtle theocratic assumptions.

717 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:40:47am

re: #716 Gus 802

Ah, OK. I’m not very sharp this early in the morning.

OK, then a correction is due:

No prob…honestly it’s a long post and late at night/early morning isn’t the easiest time to read it.

718 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:14:04am

re: #697 iceweasel

Agree with you, both on the criticisms of Zombie’s latest and on the increasingly strange uses to which it is being put elsewhere in the blogosphere (which Kilgore foresaw, if I remember correctly).

I’d say post the link, because there are always some who will read it and hopefully find a benefit. There are always people on both sides who don’t want to encounter something that shakes a dearly held belief, but I think the majority of people here are willing to at least look at opposing views on most subjects. Just my opinion, of course.

IW … you are not qualified to shine Zombies shoes …

719 Alcove-One  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:16:14am

Politics, evolution and Kindle. That is LGF nowadays.

720 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:37:50am

re: #709 iceweasel

Don’t know what link FT was thinking of posting, but this article someone found upthread was excellent:

Description misrepresented as endorsement

Nails it, in my opinion.

Morning ice weasel. I’m just going to read this, but first I will say that I think this post of zombies was definitely not his/her finest hour, and that’s putting it mildly. What struck me about it first off was the way that the scientifically detached tone was misread as if it were a signal of an emotional/moral vacancy in the heart of the writers. Has Zombie never read a scientific paper that deals with humanity, populations etc at a ‘strategic’ level? Apparently not.

721 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:54:35am

re: #720 Jimmah

Morning ice weasel. I’m just going to read this, but first I will say that I think this post of zombies was definitely not his/her finest hour, and that’s putting it mildly. What struck me about it first off was the way that the scientifically detached tone was misread as if it were a signal of an emotional/moral vacancy in the heart of the writers. Has Zombie never read a scientific paper that deals with humanity, populations etc at a ‘strategic’ level? Apparently not.

Hey Jimmah! Good to see you.

The point you raise which I bolded above is exactly one that Jessica Palmer points out. Struck me also, and Palmer puts it well IMO.

722 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:14am

re: #718 JacksonTn

IW … you are not qualified to shine Zombies shoes …

Conveniently enough, we’re not discussing shoe shining.

723 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:59:51am

re: #709 iceweasel

Let me get this straight. The authors calmly and dispassionately discuss population control policies - just as one would expect from academics describing hypothetical situations. The authors don’t employ passionate rhetoric or get emotional, as one might expect from advocates trying to persuade us such policies are necessary. This somehow proves the authors are … even more evil and diabolical advocates of population control than we can possibly imagine! And bye-the-bye, it gives scientists a bad name. What?


…

…”Description misrepresented as endorsement” - that’s the crux of the matter.

In the excerpts cited at zombietime.com, even the tiny snippets, it is crystal clear that these policies are being discussed in an academic sense. The blog’s author is simply cherrypicking quotes and twisting them to justify a political hack job. That’s not shocking - I’ve been around the interwebz a few times - but the Washington Times picking this up without checking further is plain bad journalism. The only reasons I can see for such sloppiness are either utter ignorance of how academic discussion works, or cynical political opportunism. I won’t try to guess which.

I agree with this 100%..

724 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:08:44am

re: #721 iceweasel

Good morning to you too:) And a happy July 16th as well. It may be painful for some here to admit it, but Palmer’s article was absolutely on the mark.

Anyone with a reasonable scientific education would be forced to agree if they were being honest.

725 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:24:51am

re: #724 Jimmah

Good morning to you too:) And a happy July 16th as well. It may be painful for some here to admit it, but Palmer’s article was absolutely on the mark.

Anyone with a reasonable scientific education would be forced to agree if they were being honest.

Hooray, Inspirals! LOVE IT!

Yes, Palmer nailed it; you were completely right in your post just above this one too.

That kind of twisting that the Washington Times does is either a misunderstanding of academia and the scientific process, or a political hack job. Given that it’s the WT, it could be both— but the WT is known for the latter, that’s for sure.

726 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:23am

re: #725 iceweasel

Agree with you on the Washington Times.

Hooray, Inspirals! LOVE IT!

I have to say iceweasel, it’s nice to have someone here who gets all my ‘cultural references’! Gotta go now - take care:)

727 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:02am

re: #726 Jimmah

Agree with you on the Washington Times.

I have to say iceweasel, it’s nice to have someone here who gets all my ‘cultural references’! Gotta go now - take care:)

Later cutie— It’s a joy to me as well to have someone around who knows who Chris Morris is, etc. :)

728 Call me Infidel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59:03pm

re: #5 itellu3times

Will it support british characters, like Dame Edna?

Dame Edna is Australian. As is Barry Humphries other creation Dr. Sir Les Patterson though a few Australians would rather he wasn’t.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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