Dazzling Stop Motion Animation: The Fall

Squirrel
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A squirrel goes about its everyday business when its curiousity is aroused by a peculiar object that will have devastating consequences…

Screened at the British Film Institute in London in July 2010, this stop motion was funded by Skillset and produced on the Animation course as part of that graduating year’s final major project for the Arts University College at Bournemouth.

Producer: Emma Harris
Director: Andrew Robinson
Editor: Quentin van den Bossche
Set Modeling: Jessie Dennis
Set Lighting: Matthew Tayor & Seth Crosby
Compositing: Lars Erik Eriksen & Lukas Zerucha
Music & Sound: Robert Maloney
Additional Modeling/Animating: Holly Ner, Ed Spencer & Benjamin Donoghue

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638 comments
1 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:35:33pm

Not quite stop motion animation, but still impressive:

Image: BeaufortIcyBlueMiniYellowText3.gif

From here:

blogs.agu.org

2 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:39:07pm

That was quite the st.. SQUIRREL!!

3 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:40:11pm
4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:02:22pm

re: #3 Gus

I just saw that news. I used to be a big user of Google Reader, but I have to admit I haven’t used it in many months. I just don’t seem to rely on RSS as much as I used to, although I still use the dynamic RSS feeds in our left sidebar here at LGF.

5 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:03:11pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I just saw that news. I used to be a big user of Google Reader, but I have to admit I haven’t used it in many months. I just don’t seem to rely on RSS as much as I used to, although I still use the dynamic RSS feeds in our left sidebar here at LGF.

I’ve never used it.

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:05:16pm

RSS definitely does seem to be on the way out, as far as consumer apps go, anyway. One of the reasons I used to rely on it was because Internet connections and browsers were slower, so it would be quicker to look through a lot of news and blog articles with an RSS reader than visiting each site. Not so much any more.

7 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:24:01pm

On the other hand I use it constantly.

1) Lower load on my older computers. I reference a LOT of sites, and each tab or window I have open sucks a little more.

2) Fewer tabs to keep open. At a certain point I can’t tell if something new is on a tab or not given how small it is. With the single tab over Reader (or another aggregator) if /any/ site updates, that tab gives me a cue.

3) personal memory. I do not have to remember all the sites. If I borrow a computer or use a library computer I can just pull my aggregate list and see them all. Yes, I could do this with portable bookmarks, or I could set a bunch of links on a free website, or any of two or three options. None of them have the former two benefits

I really liked Reader because it integrated so well with Gmail, which happens to be my main email service. Now, well, a-hunting I will go.

8 blueraven  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:34:34pm

The guy who taped Mitt Romney’s infamous 47% comments (among others) has been on the Ed Shultz show telling how it all went down.

He should now prepare for the RW onslaught.

9 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:37:03pm

re: #8 blueraven

The guy who taped Mitt Romney’s infamous 47% comments (among others) has been on the Ed Shultz show telling how it all went down.

He should now prepare for the RW onslaught.

@AnneOnymous670

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:38:58pm

re: #8 blueraven

The guy who taped Mitt Romney’s infamous 47% comments (among others) has been on the Ed Shultz show telling how it all went down.

He should now prepare for the RW onslaught.

Oh, we can be sure that the “kill the messenger” campaign will be in full swing within the next 48 hours.

11 blueraven  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:39:22pm

re: #9 Gus

@AnneOnymous670

Scott Prouty

12 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:39:36pm

re: #11 blueraven

Scott Prouty

Si.

13 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:40:29pm

re: #8 blueraven

The guy who taped Mitt Romney’s infamous 47% comments (among others) has been on the Ed Shultz show telling how it all went down.

He should now prepare for the RW onslaught.

Poor guy is going to get threats I bet. If I were him, I’d just have stayed anonymous but who knows, it could have been inevitably leaked as well. But as someone who’s had family that have been servers, I can attest how snobby rich customers like Romney can be.

14 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:41:42pm

re: #11 blueraven

Scott Prouty

Saw it here…

Scott Prouty, ‘47 Percent’ Filmmaker, Reveals Identity On ‘The Ed Show’

15 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:43:53pm

Goin’ home where I can watch a Vimeo.

Image: hFEA63AAF.jpg

Later, lizards.

16 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:46:54pm

Google Reader has been on my daily “visit list” since day Google Reader went live. I feel like I should pour some liquor on its grave or something.

17 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:52:44pm
18 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:56:57pm

Hi Pope! I mean Peeps.

How’s everyone?

The twitter between the white smoke and the oh the Pope revelation was exceptional. LOL so hard, quietly at my desk.

19 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:59:42pm

so my representative on earth is a socialist who hates gays and women? is that what happened today?

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:02:01pm

I’d hate to see RSS go the way of the dinosaurs, though.

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:02:11pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

so my representative on earth is a socialist who hates gay ans women? is that what happened today?

Its worked the last 260ish times.
/

22 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:04:23pm

I heard Jerry Brown on NPR today talking about the Pope, and he mentioned that when he was a Jesuit seminary student they were taught that Jesuits were not allowed to seek higher office - so it would have been unthinkable for a Jesuit to be Pope.

So that wasn’t just a myth.

23 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:04:29pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea

Did you see this? :)

@PapalSeagull

Image: image_update_2081cc899b5a4541_1363193226_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg

24 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:05:40pm

Scott Prouty rocks.

25 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:07:45pm
26 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:08:29pm

papal seagull has iconicity

27 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:10:12pm

re: #26 engineer cat

papal seagull has iconicity

Papal Seagull is actually Raptor Jesus in disguise.

28 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:10:43pm

47% video is to republican party as rodney king video is to la police dept

29 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:11:42pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Scott Prouty rocks.

Guy did more in anonymity to destroy Romney’s electoral chances than the various editorials, campaign ads, and debate flubs.

I raise my drink to him.

30 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:12:00pm

re: #28 engineer cat

47% video is to republican party as rodney king video is to la police dept

It is an interesting question: How much of a difference did the 47% video really make?

We’ll probably never know.

31 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:14:29pm

re: #23 Interesting Times

Did you see this? :)

@PapalSeagull

Image: image_update_2081cc899b5a4541_1363193226_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg

OH HOLY HELL

32 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:15:23pm

re: #30 EPR-radar

It is an interesting question: How much of a difference did the 47% video really make?

We’ll probably never know.

I think the narrative that ultimately did Romney in had been long in the making, partially during his previous presidential run and also the adoption of the “1% vs 99%” narrative that OWS gave us. The 47% video just crystallized everything that had been said about the man, everything that had been alleged about him as a politicians devoted to the rich and powerful, up to that moment.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:16:19pm

re: #30 EPR-radar

It is an interesting question: How much of a difference did the 47% video really make?

We’ll probably never know.

It’s a good question. There was no way in hell I was going to vote for Romney before that got leaked and I imagine that was the case for many here. I do think it reaffirmed the idea of him being an out of touch snob. But I think other things hurt him too. The RNC was a big flop, his attitude after Benghazi, etc. I think it had a role but I don’t know how big an impact ti had.

34 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:17:02pm

re: #26 engineer cat

re: #26 engineer cat

Papal Seagull is the Seagull that is everywhere.

We are legion.

35 blueraven  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:17:34pm

re: #30 EPR-radar

It is an interesting question: How much of a difference did the 47% video really make?

We’ll probably never know.

Oh I think it was pretty big. It wasn’t everything but it was cumulative. This video just gave absolute truth to the narrative of Romney as an elite, uncaring vulture capitalist who didn’t give a damn about the “little people”.

36 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:17:47pm

re: #28 engineer cat

47% video is to republican party as rodney king video is to la police dept

It shouldn’t be, though. The footage of the Rodney King video that was aired on TV omitted King’s charging the police officers, an important part of the incident (the edit was due to a TV station video editor who habitually edited out blurry portions). The 47% percent video as aired gave the full context of Mitt Romney’s EPIC FAIL.

37 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:18:30pm
38 blueraven  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:18:53pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

It shouldn’t be, though. The footage of the Rodney King video that was aired on TV omitted King’s charging the police officers, an important part of the incident (the edit was due to a TV station video editor who habitually edited out blurry portions). The 47% percent video as aired gave the full context of Mitt Romney’s EPIC FAIL.

seriously?

39 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:18:57pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

OH HOLY HELL

I’d be far more amused if it had been a dove… ;)

40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:19:09pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Well, he’s a bartender so he’s probably been drunk in public once!

41 blueraven  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:19:51pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

It shouldn’t be, though. The footage of the Rodney King video that was aired on TV omitted King’s charging the police officers, an important part of the incident (the edit was due to a TV station video editor who habitually edited out blurry portions). The 47% percent video as aired gave the full context of Mitt Romney’s EPIC FAIL.

No justification for that beating. None.

42 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:20:12pm

Sorry. who is Scott Prouty?

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:20:18pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

re: #26 engineer cat

Papal Seagull is the Seagull that is everywhere.

We are legion.

Not an improvement for Saint Peter’s Square, I assure you. Much easier to have pigeons around: Seagulls are much louder than pigeons and far more aggressive.

44 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:20:30pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

Sorry. who is Scott Prouty?

The bartender who recorded the Romney 47% video.

45 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:20:43pm

DERP. Link goes to Breitbart.

46 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:21:07pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

Sorry. who is Scott Prouty?

Someone who rocks.

The guy who shot the Mitt Romney 47% video. Interviewed on Ed Schultz’s show tonight.

47 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:22:36pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

The bartender who recorded the Romney 47% video.

i.e. a HERO

hahhahaa hopefully someone has tipped him appropriately by now. The GOP Romney folks, I wonder.

48 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:22:39pm

Lincoln Internet Quote PWNage

49 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:23:07pm

re: #41 blueraven

No justification for that beating. None.

I’m not trying to justify it. I’m saying that when the footage was first aired, a key piece of it was omitted. No more, no less.

BBL, dinner.

50 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:23:56pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

i.e. a HERO

hahhahaa hopefully someone has tipped him appropriately by now. The GOP Romney folks, I wonder.

Shit if I ever met the dude, I’d say just name your poison.

51 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:24:05pm

The link is so full of freaking Derp I am speechless. Here is all you need to know:

Is there a chance Mark Kelly picked the AR-15 simply because he wanted it—at a discounted price?

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:25:11pm

Oh and folks please do tip your bartenders generously. They are our guardian angels on many a night. Guardian angels with whiskey and wisdom. You can’t beat that.

54 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:30:14pm

Romney is probably one of those guys who charges for his autograph I bet.

55 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:32:37pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Lincoln Internet Quote PWNage

Heck, people are reading Tweets and thinking it’s a fact or news. People are also going to parody sites thinking it’s news. Now there another stupid rumor going around about the new Pope which reads, “The priests administering the sacraments [for the military junta]? Catholic… and Bergoglio was their Archibishop.”

56 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:33:03pm

I think it’ll be a matter of historical debate as to what measure of damage 47% ultimately did to Romney’s campaign. By that point in the game, his ass wasn’t in the best position possible to begin with. He’d received a “dead cat bounce” in post-convention polls and was watching Obama pull ahead. The first of the debates was still weeks away, and the 47% comment never weighed into any of those. And he stuck in his mouth and roundly chewed it off days later with the Benghazi attacks.

57 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:34:10pm

THIS GUY PROJECTS MORE THAN AN IMAX

58 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:35:25pm

re: #55 Gus

Heck, people are reading Tweets and thinking it’s a fact or news. People are also going to parody sites thinking it’s news. Now there another stupid rumor going around about the new Pope which reads, “The priests administering the sacraments [for the military junta]? Catholic… and Bergoglio was their Archibishop.”

Really annoys me when people get obvious facts wrong. Francis or Bergoglio didn’t even become Archbishop of Buenos Aires until ‘98, over a decade after the Junta fell.

59 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:35:29pm

Scott Prouty should get the James O’Keefe III “Real Citizen Journalism Award”, after they rename it.

60 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:36:08pm

That spree killing earlier today in Herkimer County is still active - police apparently think they have the gunman surrounded in a standoff.

61 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:36:35pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Really annoys me when people get obvious facts wrong. Francis or Bergoglio didn’t even become Archbishop of Buenos Aires until ‘98, over a decade after the Junta fell.

Or when they just make shit up.

62 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:36:41pm

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

THIS GUY PROJECTS MORE THAN AN IMAX

He’s quoting Ronaldus Magnus.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:37:09pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

Or when they just make shit up.

Of course.

64 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:37:48pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

He’s quoting Ronaldus Magnus.

Yeah well Ronald Reagan shouldn’t have been lecturing anyone on ignorance. He who pandered to people still not over Civil Rights legislation.

65 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:38:33pm

re: #55 Gus

There is no evidence. People are going to do themselves a disservice pounding that talking point. Sigh.

66 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:38:55pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

He’s quoting Ronaldus Magnus.

Without attribution?

It must be an Internet Law that every attributed quote has to be Fake.

67 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:39:20pm

And I have to say while I was not a fan of Benedict, the Nazi pope meme pissed me off too. There are legitimate issues to criticize both of these men on. No need to lie to make the point.

68 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:41:09pm

I bet the Germans like being the butt of Nazi jokes even though there’s a new pope.

69 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:42:03pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

Or when they just make shit up.

yes and no about the making it up. The quoted line comes from here. That site is the Catholic News Agency. The specific element is the paraphrase and report of Archbishop Bergoglio’s call in October of 2009. He didn’t use that phrase, and in context it doesn’t mean what tnlawgirl (Patriot) thinks it means.

70 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:42:21pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Yeah well Ronald Reagan shouldn’t have been lecturing anyone on ignorance. He who pandered to people still not over Civil Rights legislation.

It was part of Ronald’s schtick that the best way to address liberal criticism of him was to patronize them while making it sound jovial and grandfatherly.

71 jaunte  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:43:33pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

Oddly enough, she seems to have stripped those words out of their context:

Extreme poverty is also a violation of human rights, says Argentinean cardinal

The Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, has called for an ethical response to solve the problem of social debt, saying that, not only do terrorism, repression and murder violate human rights, but also extreme poverty and the “unjust economic structures that give rise to great inequalities.”

72 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:43:37pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

It was part of Ronald’s schtick that the best way to address liberal criticism of him was to patronize them while making it sound jovial and grandfatherly.

Yeah, he did that same patronizing bullshit when he explained why he stopped being a liberal. Reagan’s image of the kindly grandfather type is one of the biggest manufacturing jobs in politics.

73 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:43:52pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Really annoys me when people get obvious facts wrong. Francis or Bergoglio didn’t even become Archbishop of Buenos Aires until ‘98, over a decade after the Junta fell.

They can’t even get that right. This is the Tweet that kind of pissed me off earlier.

This guy also left a fact check.

But a lot of people don’t seem to give a crap. They’ll lie through their teeth and get mad at your for calling out the BS even politely. It’s like all those people at TGDN that just get mad at Alouette.

74 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:44:08pm

re: #71 jaunte

Oddly enough, she seems to have stripped those words out of their context:

Woah, that’s shocking.

75 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:44:46pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

DERP. Link goes to Breitbart.

Like Breitbart proves anything

76 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:45:02pm

re: #73 Gus

They can’t even get that right. This is the Tweet that kind of pissed me off earlier.

But a lot of people don’t seem to give a crap. They’ll lie through their teeth and get mad at your for calling out the BS even politely. It’s like all those people at TGDN that just get mad at Alouette.

It sucks. But yeah some people just hate being told they’re wrong.

77 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:46:09pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

Or when they just make shit up.

I had to respond to that freak

78 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:46:31pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

It sucks. But yeah some people just hate being told they’re wrong.

The sick part is most of these people know they’re lying.

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:48:30pm

re: #78 dragonath

The sick part is most of these people know they’re lying.

People suck.

81 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:49:20pm

re: #54 dragonath

Romney is probably one of those guys who charges for his autograph I bet.

Very obliquely related trivia tangent:

The cast of Gilligan’s Island all signed tragically terrible contracts with United Artists Television. In short, they all signed away their rights to royalties from re-runs. The show was in syndication for decades after they stopped being paid.

So, many of the actors ended up on the convention circuit, charging for autographs.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:49:29pm

re: #80 dragonath

Costco’s Profit Soars To $537 Million Just Days After CEO Endorses Minimum Wage Increase

Hey, what do you know, you can be a good businessman and good boss. What a shocker!//

83 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:50:17pm

re: #69 kirkspencer

yes and no about the making it up. The quoted line comes from here. That site is the Catholic News Agency. The specific element is the paraphrase and report of Archbishop Bergoglio’s call in October of 2009. He didn’t use that phrase, and in context it doesn’t mean what tnlawgirl (Patriot) thinks it means.

He said the exact opposite of what tnlawgirl thinks he said. It’s amazing how they can zero in on what fits their narrative and ignore everything else.

84 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:53:23pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

He said the exact opposite of what tnlawgirl thinks he said. It’s amazing how they can zero in on what fits their narrative and ignore everything else.

Selective quoting supports selection bias.

85 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:54:37pm

Hey, my Karma hit 10,000. Now I can take that trip to Reno I always wanted.

86 jaunte  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:55:41pm

“Hey, the new Pope wants to end welfare!!!”

Birdbrains.

87 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:56:31pm

Yeah like a pope is going to sound like Paul Ryan on social justice issues. That’s as delusional as expecting the new pope to be pro choice and pro gay rights.

88 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:56:37pm

re: #80 dragonath

I’m a big fan of Costco. It’s a great business model and the people who work there genuinely seem to like what they’re doing - at least in the couple of stores I’ve frequented.

They make money on the memberships, so if you go once or 100 times a year, you’ve contributed to their bottom line. Their bulk buys means you can get a good value (if you like super sized packages and/or have place for storing them). You wont get a huge selection - like 100 printers to choose from, but if you see one of the 4-5, you’d get a good value.

I’m in there enough to make the memberships worth it - whether it’s photo printing, contact lenses, or even doing travel reservations.

And the value buys and hidden “golden egg” finds drive people to the website and in-store buys. Even in recession, Costco can weather the storm pretty well.

It’s a bonus that they treat their staff well.

89 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:58:28pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

I think it’ll be a matter of historical debate as to what measure of damage 47% ultimately did to Romney’s campaign. By that point in the game, his ass wasn’t in the best position possible to begin with. He’d received a “dead cat bounce” in post-convention polls and was watching Obama pull ahead. The first of the debates was still weeks away, and the 47% comment never weighed into any of those. And he stuck in his mouth and roundly chewed it off days later with the Benghazi attacks.

One can read Nate Silver and note that Romney was probably dead meat as early as July….

90 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 6:58:59pm

re: #89 austin_blue

One can read Nate Silver and note that Romney was probably dead meat as early as July….

Yeah the summer is when Romney lost whatever chance he had.

91 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:01:25pm

re: #89 austin_blue

One can read Nate Silver and note that Romney was probably dead meat as early as July….

Romney had been dragging on the bottom for months, as far back as the primaries. If the opposition to him had ever coalesced around a single candidate, it’s probable he’d have been blown out of the water. But instead, between the “Not-Romney” vote getting split between several candidates and so many protest votes going to Luap Nor, he was never gonna face serious challenge for the nomination.

92 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:01:43pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

He said the exact opposite of what tnlawgirl thinks he said. It’s amazing how they can zero in on what fits their narrative and ignore everything else.

But as the scots say, “Ya canna be surprised by ‘at, lassie!”

93 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:02:19pm

Pope Ayn the Rand!

94 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:02:36pm

The race really reminded me a lot of 2004 but I do think Kerry was a better candidate than Romney. I for one can’t wait to read the inside story about what went wrong with Romney.

95 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:05:25pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

From the time that Nate began predicting the race, he had Obama leading. At no time during the entire race did Romney have even a 40% chance of winning. At no time did Romney ever top 270 EVs in Silver’s predictions. Romney never generated any kind of traction during the summer.

The closest he came was in the second week of October.

96 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:06:06pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

The race really reminded me a lot of 2004 but I do think Kerry was a better candidate than Romney. I for one can’t wait to read the inside story about what went wrong with Romney.

I saw much the same thing in Kerry’s run as I did in Romney’s. Both were the “compromise candidate,” the guy who everybody grudgingly supported and voted for more in protest of Bush than any real support of the man. And yeah, he came off as wooden at times, or alternatively giving the same “that’s a little person problem” feeling that Romney excelled at. Think what ultimately did him in was that people just didn’t hate Bush enough, which in hindsight is probably gonna end up being the biggest case of buyer’s remorse since Nixon.

97 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:06:09pm

re: #85 dragonath

Hey, my Karma hit 10,000. Now I can take that trip to Reno I always wanted.

I’m right behind ya.

But if 400 people upding this post, watch out!

98 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:07:23pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

You mean besides the fact that he simply didn’t connect with voters - especially any kind of moderate or independents, and conservatives were wary of what he was bringing to the table?

He relied on pollsters who were in as much of a denial mode as the unskewed polling guy. The GOTV wasn’t as good as Obama’s, and all that money spent didn’t put together a coherent message that people wanted to hear.

99 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:07:43pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Yeah like a pope is going to sound like Paul Ryan on social justice issues. That’s as delusional as expecting the new pope to be pro choice and pro gay rights.

This pope? Nope. Conservative Jesuit (first Jesuit evah!). He’s 76 and interim. More of a toss to the developing world than anything else. Also, a safe southern hemisphere/developing economy pick in that his family consists of Italian ExPats.

A surprising but astutely political choice by the Conclave.

{A_B, retired mackerel snapper and product of a Jesuit education.}

100 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:08:15pm

DERP DERP!

101 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:08:20pm

re: #95 lawhawk

From the time that Nate began predicting the race, he had Obama leading. At no time during the entire race did Romney have even a 40% chance of winning. At no time did Romney ever top 270 EVs in Silver’s predictions. Romney never generated any kind of traction during the summer.

The closest he came was in the second week of October.

And only because he’d had a good first debate performance, which the Beltway Boys thought would be the end-all, be-all. Told themselves that no candidate comes back from such a “devastating” performance and that Romney only had to show up to the other two debates.

‘scuse me a moment, gotta freshen up my glass of schadenfreude.

102 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:08:34pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

The race really reminded me a lot of 2004 but I do think Kerry was a better candidate than Romney. I for one can’t wait to read the inside story about what went wrong with Romney.

I agree, yet I think at core Romney’s problems were pretty much the same as Kerry’s.

He isn’t, wasn’t, a politician. He wasn’t comfortable with people. We’ve had presidents who could be that way - starting with John Q Adams - but in these days it’s pretty much a non-starter. It was part of Gore’s problem (and Lieberman was no help). If Ryan runs in 2016 it’ll be a problem for him.

We want to think, to believe, that this person we’re putting in charge will listen to us.

103 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:09:14pm

re: #98 lawhawk

You mean besides the fact that he simply didn’t connect with voters - especially any kind of moderate or independents, and conservatives were wary of what he was bringing to the table?

He relied on pollsters who were in as much of a denial mode as the unskewed polling guy. The GOTV wasn’t as good as Obama’s, and all that money spent didn’t put together a coherent message that people wanted to hear.

I just want to hear it from the horses mouths.

104 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:09:18pm

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP!

*psst* Hey guys, that $716 billion? Yeah, Ryan’s counting it towards deficit reduction in his budget. Just thought you should know.

105 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:10:24pm

re: #97 BongCrodny

I’m right behind ya.

But if 400 people upding this post, watch out!

Meh, trolling for updings.

///

You should earn them by your erudite and cogent postings that are revered by all lizards!

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:10:30pm

re: #99 austin_blue

This pope? Nope. Conservative Jesuit (first Jesuit evah!). He’s 76 and interim. More of a toss to the developing world than anything else. Also, a safe southern hemisphere/developing economy pick in that his family consists of Italian ExPats.

A surprising but astutely political choice by the Conclave.

{A_B, retired mackerel snapper and product of a Jesuit education.}

Well honestly I don’t expect any Catholic bishop to be pro either. Don’t get me wrong. His statements piss me off especially the really moronic one that gay adoption is discrimination against children.

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:10:52pm

re: #102 kirkspencer

I agree, yet I think at core Romney’s problems were pretty much the same as Kerry’s.

He isn’t, wasn’t, a politician. He wasn’t comfortable with people. We’ve had presidents who could be that way - starting with John Q Adams - but in these days it’s pretty much a non-starter. It was part of Gore’s problem (and Lieberman was no help). If Ryan runs in 2016 it’ll be a problem for him.

We want to think, to believe, that this person we’re putting in charge will listen to us.

What we want to believe is that the president is a guy who’s like us, who listens to us and understands what we’re going through. Romney wasn’t that kinda guy by any measure of the imagination. Even the pictures of him rubbing shoulders with the unwashed masses made him look uncomfortable, with that plastic grin that says “Let’s just get this over with.”

108 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:11:40pm

re: #95 lawhawk

From the time that Nate began predicting the race, he had Obama leading. At no time during the entire race did Romney have even a 40% chance of winning. At no time did Romney ever top 270 EVs in Silver’s predictions. Romney never generated any kind of traction during the summer.

The closest he came was in the second week of October.

The first debate scared the hell out of us, though. The campaign workers took it as a sign that we had to dig harder. Didn’t relax again until Biden handed Ryan his ass.

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:11:52pm

re: #102 kirkspencer

I agree, yet I think at core Romney’s problems were pretty much the same as Kerry’s.

He isn’t, wasn’t, a politician. He wasn’t comfortable with people. We’ve had presidents who could be that way - starting with John Q Adams - but in these days it’s pretty much a non-starter. It was part of Gore’s problem (and Lieberman was no help). If Ryan runs in 2016 it’ll be a problem for him.

We want to think, to believe, that this person we’re putting in charge will listen to us.

Yeah, he may have been a better candidate in a time where media presence wasn’t as important. I do think he was pretty bad wounded in the primary since a lot of his weaknesses were exposed by his rivals but that’s part of being a challenger. He couldn’t overcome his wounds.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:12:44pm

DERP. IT’S A MOVIE MADE BY THAT HOLLYWOOD YOU’RE BOYCOTTING.

111 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:12:47pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

I just want to hear it from the horses mouths.

Clever boots!

112 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:13:24pm

re: #99 austin_blue

Some saw Benedict as an interim Pope as well. His age likely plays into that perception. That might be all part of a plan to slowly shift the Curia and bureaucracy into a more modern temperament, but doctrinally they aren’t going to shift nearly as fast. In some respects, picking the older cardinals could signal stability and a father figure - a conservative choice.

A younger choice would have the ability to outlast many of the cardinals and leave a lasting mark on the Church’s teachings, much in the way that JP II did.

113 jaunte  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:13:41pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Ripley Van Winkle just woke up.

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:14:20pm

They should have chosen someone other than Ryan. Ryan wasn’t a Palin like disaster but I saw nothing about Ryan that suggested he helped Romney at all. Again, I imagine Ryan probably felt a little knee capped hearing the surrogates say that “Well of course we’re not going to agree on everything” regarding the Ryan Budget and he had to know that said budget was why he was vetted in the first place because it was that move that brought Ryan into the public eye. I thought Romney should have gone with someone who’s won statewide before. When you have one person who has won a statewide election between two candidates who have fairly long political careers then you’re in trouble IMO.

115 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:15:00pm

This is the only thing I found:

What one did not hear from any senior member of the Argentinian hierarchy was any expression of regret for the church’s collaboration and in these crimes. The extent of the church’s complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina’s most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentinian navy with the connivance of **Cardinal** Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circumstances Bergoglio’s name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment.

The Dirty War lasted from 1976 to 1983. During the time, Horacio Verbitsky was a member of Montoneros. I noticed something here in this story. They’re saying that Bergoglio was a Cardinal during this alleged incident. Bergoglio didn’t become a Cardinal until 2001.

116 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:17:45pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

DERP. IT’S A MOVIE MADE BY THAT HOLLYWOOD YOU’RE BOYCOTTING.

WULBERHEEENS!

117 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:18:41pm

I thought the badies in the new Red Dawn movie were North Koreans. Anyhow, more fantasy for people who see commies under the cover and have a Joe McCarthy teddy bear to protect from leftists in the night.

118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:19:57pm

Jeff Gordon pranks a car salesman.

Youtube Video
119 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:21:16pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

DERP. IT’S A MOVIE MADE BY THAT HOLLYWOOD YOU’RE BOYCOTTING.

If she’s talking about the remake, it’s even less believable than the original. The original actually tried to ground itself in reality and portray the actual odds of a bunch of high school kids trying to lead a resistance campaign against a well-trained and equipped occupational force.

The remake has so many handwaves just to avoid explaining the huge plotholes left by replacing China with North Korea that it comes off as childish. And what isn’t pulled straight out of a writer’s ass is so blandly cookie-cutter “action flick” that it bears no resemblance to the original film.

120 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:22:41pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

If she’s talking about the remake, it’s even less believable than the original. The original actually tried to ground itself in reality and portray the actual odds of a bunch of high school kids trying to lead a resistance campaign against a well-trained and equipped occupational force.

The remake has so many handwaves just to avoid explaining the huge plotholes left by replacing China with North Korea that it comes off as childish. And what isn’t pulled straight out of a writer’s ass is so blandly cookie-cutter “action flick” that it bears no resemblance to the original film.

They think Beck and Palin are riveting speakers. Is it really a surprise when they think shit movies are great?

121 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:25:15pm

re: #120 Kragar (Antichrist )

They think Beck and Palin are riveting speakers. Is it really a surprise when they think shit movies are great?

These are the same nitwits that think that the original Red Dawn is an inspiring epic about the triumph of American patriots over an invading force, which is ironic in a film where all but two of the main characters are killed before the film ends.

122 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:27:19pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Jeff Gordon pranks a car salesman.

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I was going to link that earlier as, “I took a test drive today and filmed it.”

123 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:32:14pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Well honestly I don’t expect any Catholic bishop to be pro either. Don’t get me wrong. His statements piss me off especially the really moronic one that gay adoption is discrimination against children.

Which is a BIG thing to note. The southern hemisphere is the fastest growing demographic of the church. It is also the demographic where children are most likely to starve, die early, and be the victims of conflict.

Here’s a little ditty:

(ahem)

Jesus hates the little children
All the little children of the world
Red and yellow, black and white
They are targets in his sight
Jesus hates the little children of the world!

They die from too much procreation
Famines, viral pestilence and war
He especially hates the poor
Killing millions by the score
Jesus hates the little children of the world!

So this is the challenge of the papacy in the “Developing World”. How will the Church address this (tacit, but real) perception within the Developed Countries? It will require fundamental change. Too many babies equals too many dead babies.

Interesting times.

124 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:33:55pm

how is life everyone?

125 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:38:33pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

What we want to believe is that the president is a guy who’s like us, who listens to us and understands what we’re going through. Romney wasn’t that kinda guy by any measure of the imagination. Even the pictures of him rubbing shoulders with the unwashed masses made him look uncomfortable, with that plastic grin that says “Let’s just get this over with.”

And his checkered shirt. That he wore all the time in public. It was so not him and it was obvious.

126 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:40:38pm

This bears reposting

Image: romney6666.jpg

127 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:40:54pm

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

how is life everyone?

Too many Badge People here for SXSW. And the weather here is going to be perfect through Sunday when they all leave. So they’ll want to move here. Damn.

On the other hand, I bumped into Amanda Fucking Palmer and Neil Gaiman today. Kissed his hand, which got a big laugh from AFP. We are meeting for coffee on Saturday.

128 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:41:26pm

Good news!

129 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:41:53pm

re: #127 austin_blue

Too many Badge People here for SXSW. And the weather here is going to be perfect through Sunday when they all leave. So they’ll want to move here. Damn.

On the other hand, I bumped into Amanda Fucking Palmer and Neil Gaiman today. Kissed his hand, which got a big laugh from AFP. We are meeting for coffee on Saturday.

how cool!

130 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:42:15pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Jeff Gordon pranks a car salesman.

[Embedded content]

Yeeeeaaah, I don’t think so. Oh, there’s a chance the salesman didn’t know, but we’ve got several outside cameras including one OUTSIDE THE DRIVER’S DOOR (used more than once). There’s also that dodge and bootlegger with the oncoming car. (with, it just happens, at least two fixed external cameras to show what happens from different but just-by-coincidence optimal places to see the bootlegger and the victim car spinout.)

Fun, but they’re pulling the viewer’s leg at least as much as they are the salesman’s.

131 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:45:00pm

PSA - for those who have Android phones…Temple Run 2 is fucking addictive…and hard to play while you drive.

132 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:46:49pm

bbl

133 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:48:13pm

Oops.

Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez Unlikely to Be Preserved ‘For Eternity’

CARACAS — Venezuela’s government said on Wednesday it may not be possible to embalm the remains of late leader Hugo Chavez as planned because the process should have been started earlier.

Chavez died last week aged 58 after a two-year battle with cancer. His body has been on display in a glass-topped coffin at a grandiose military academy in the capital Caracas, where millions of people have filed past to pay homage.

The government had said it planned to embalm Chavez’s remains “for eternity” in much the same way as was done with the remains of Soviet leaders Lenin and Stalin and communist Chinese leader Mao Zedong after they died.

“Russian and German scientists have arrived to embalm Chavez and they tell us it’s very difficult because the process should have started earlier … Maybe we can’t do it,” acting President Nicolas Maduro said in televised comments on Wednesday.

“We are in the middle of the process. It’s complicated, it’s my duty to inform you.”

134 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:48:42pm

Anywho. One of my distant cousins disappeared during the Dirty War.

135 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:49:09pm

If Russian and German scientists can’t do it, nobody can.

136 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:50:52pm

Image: Bunny-USSNJ-On-Head.jpg

137 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:00:13pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

If Russian and German scientists can’t do it, nobody can.

What, are there no Egyptian priests available?
////

138 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:01:22pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Oops.

Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez Unlikely to Be Preserved ‘For Eternity’

This will be a good thing.

139 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:03:42pm

Twitter must be messing with their code. Formatting is still showing up weird sometimes. Text justification to be exact.

140 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:05:49pm

Kobe Bryant trying to join in on the broke legs. Severely sprained ankle instead. Out “indefinitely.”

141 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:07:40pm

Bleh. Downgrade to 70 on Friday. Ah vel.

142 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:08:41pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I heard Jerry Brown on NPR today talking about the Pope, and he mentioned that when he was a Jesuit seminary student they were taught that Jesuits were not allowed to seek higher office - so it would have been unthinkable for a Jesuit to be Pope.

So that wasn’t just a myth.

Jesuit as Pope adds to the Apocalyptic vibe, methinks.

143 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:08:53pm

re: #131 darthstar

PSA - for those who have Android phones…Temple Run 2 is fucking addictive…and hard to play while you drive.

Darth? Please don’t do anything like that again. Talking on the phone while driving is bad. Texting while driving is very bad. Gaming while driving is an accident waiting to happen. It makes the stupidities you saw on the slope seem, well, there are a few that are comparable. Severe, this-is-going-to-end-in-many-hurt/dead stupidity.

Rather not have you mysteriously not posting here if you don’t mind.

144 jaunte  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:09:52pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Kind of a hot climate for that, anyway.

145 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:10:17pm

Once again, “bipartisan” used to mean “Thick as pig shit”:

Pro-Gun Measures Snuck into New Government Funding Bill

WASHINGTON (AP) — A bipartisan Senate bill preventing a federal shutdown would make four long-standing gun protections permanent, including one preventing the Justice Department from requiring firearms dealers to conduct inventories to make sure weapons haven’t been stolen, congressional aides from both parties said.

Another provision made permanent would prevent the government from changing the definition of antique guns, which can sometimes be easier to obtain than modern weapons. Two others would block the department from denying a license to firearms dealers who report no business activity, and require the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to include language in firearms data stating that the information can’t be used to make conclusions about gun crimes.

146 Stanley Sea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:10:55pm

Ltr Lizards. Hasta manana.

147 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:12:06pm

re: #81 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Very obliquely related trivia tangent:

The cast of Gilligan’s Island all signed tragically terrible contracts with United Artists Television. In short, they all signed away their rights to royalties from re-runs. The show was in syndication for decades after they stopped being paid.

So, many of the actors ended up on the convention circuit, charging for autographs.

Same with Batman and Star Trek. Those cases kicked the SAG in the ass, I believe.

148 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:15:01pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

And only because he’d had a good first debate performance, which the Beltway Boys thought would be the end-all, be-all. Told themselves that no candidate comes back from such a “devastating” performance and that Romney only had to show up to the other two debates.

‘scuse me a moment, gotta freshen up my glass of schadenfreude.

Well, when you lie and prevaricate as much as Mitt did in that debate, which I believe threw Obama, that could be considered a “good performance.”

(spits)

149 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:16:44pm

re: #102 kirkspencer

He isn’t, wasn’t, a politician. He wasn’t comfortable with people. We’ve had presidents who could be that way - starting with John Q Adams - but in these days it’s pretty much a non-starter.

But JQA was a consummate diplomat, and knew what was happening.

He was a misanthropic jerk, sure, but he was never a douche. (IMAO)

150 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:17:35pm

re: #149 chadu

But JQA was a consummate diplomat, and knew what was happening.

He was a misanthropic jerk, sure, but he was never a douche. (IMAO)

He doesn’t get enough love. Of course, I’m one of the few people who admire him and Jackson. And yes I know Jackson has a lot of faults, Trail of Tears biggest among them.

151 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:17:57pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

Ltr Lizards. Hasta manana.

Hey!

152 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:19:05pm

re: #144 jaunte

Kind of a hot climate for that, anyway.

I was going to suggest wax, but I guess not.

153 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:20:00pm

re: #134 Gus

My condolences. Seriously.

154 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:21:33pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Jefferson and Jackson both bug the hell out of me for being greatly flawed humans.

155 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:21:38pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t get enough love. Of course, I’m one of the few people who admire him and Jackson. And yes I know Jackson has a lot of faults, Trail of Tears biggest among them.

Youtube Video
156 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:23:13pm

re: #155 austin_blue

Whoops, maybe I shouldn’t have said Jackson was a “flawed human” but instead called him a “genocidal dickhead.”

JQA is small beer compared there.

157 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:23:14pm

re: #147 chadu

Same with Batman and Star Trek. Those cases kicked the SAG in the ass, I believe.

Actually, Mary Anne was the one cast member from Gilligan’s island who actually got paid afterwards. Her husband was a lawyer and reviewed her contract and caught it. The studio execs figured the show would tank and let her go ahead and change it.

158 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:23:23pm
159 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:23:23pm

re: #154 chadu

Jefferson and Jackson both bug the hell out of me for being greatly flawed humans.

Tell me about it especially Jefferson. It was frustrating finding out how shitty he was on slavery. Really, next time someone tells you that he was a reluctant slave owner, just laugh at them because it’s a ridiculous statement.

160 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:23:56pm

re: #157 Kragar (Antichrist )

Dawn Wells always had it over Tina Louise, yo.

161 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:26:15pm

They are who we thought they were.

www.balloon-juice.com

Rep. Kris Crawford, a Republican from Florence and also an emergency room doctor, supports the expansion but expects the Republican caucus to vote as a block against the Medicaid expansion.
“The politics are going to overwhelm the policy. It is good politics to oppose the black guy in the White House right now, especially for the Republican Party,” Crawford said.

162 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:26:50pm

Just remember, the concept behind Gilligan’s Island was to be a morality story about the 7 deadly sins.

163 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:27:21pm

re: #161 moderatelyradicalliberal

They are who we thought they were.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com…]

At least he’s honest about what his party is.

164 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:27:27pm

re: #160 chadu

Dawn Wells always had it over Tina Louise, yo.

Mary Ann…yum…

165 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:27:31pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

My ex-wife and I had our honeymoon down in the Charlottesville area, and we visited Monticello. This was a mistake.

Comparing Monticello to Mount Vernon, I was shocked at how much TJ didn’t give a shit, about just about everything. Then, when I was reading up on Adams, found out how duplicitous a douchebag TJ was to his good friend.

It took five years for me to recognize anything positive about Jefferson.

Still don’t like him.

166 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:29:30pm
167 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:29:49pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Tell me about it especially Jefferson. It was frustrating finding out how shitty he was on slavery. Really, next time someone tells you that he was a reluctant slave owner, just laugh at them because it’s a ridiculous statement.

Or ask them how eager they think he was to set Sally Hemmings free.

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:30:14pm

re: #165 chadu

My ex-wife and I had our honeymoon down in the Charlottesville area, and we visited Monticello. This was a mistake.

Comparing Monticello to Mount Vernon, I was shocked at how much TJ didn’t give a shit, about just about everything. Then, when I was reading up on Adams, found out how duplicitous a douchebag TJ was to his good friend.

It took five years for me to recognize anything positive about Jefferson.

Still don’t like him.

I don’t dislike him but I don’t like raising him to secular sainthood either since he had so many blatant flaws. I think Adams is greatly under-appreciated. I actually think one of the most amazing things about Adams was defending the Massacre defendants. He really believed in the basic right of counsel which is such an important principle in any society.

169 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:32:08pm

re: #167 moderatelyradicalliberal

Or ask them how eager they think he was to set Sally Hemmings free.

Yep. Really the stuff I learned researching him for an article the magazine I worked on last spring genuinely disgusted me. A point of contrast is that Washington pretty much let his slaves go. The Jeffersons owned slaves at Monticello until they had to sell the place.

170 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:33:17pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

Donald Trump gets 14 minutes but a successful Republican in a blue state gets zero. Glad CPAC has its priorities in order!

171 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:34:50pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

I don’t dislike him but I don’t like raising him to secular sainthood either since he had so many blatant flaws. I think Adams is greatly under-appreciated. I actually think one of the most amazing things about Adams was defending the Massacre defendants. He really believed in the basic right of counsel which is such an important principle in any society.

Agree about the Massacre defense. The Alien and Sedition Acts stick in my craw, though.

172 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:35:11pm

Pffft. She was probably a member of that “47 percent”. /

173 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:35:59pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Donald Trump gets 14 minutes but a successful Republican in a blue state gets zero. Glad CPAC has its priorities in order!

McDonnell also got the cold shoulder, which tells me that CPAC is just being vindictive.

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:36:23pm

re: #172 Interesting Times

Pffft. She was probably a member of that “47 percent”. /

Forget recording Romney being an asshat, he’s a hero for this and I’d buy him a round for that alone.

175 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:37:01pm

Ustaše

Humans.

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:37:15pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

McDonnell also got the cold shoulder, which tells me that CPAC is just being vindictive.

McDonnell seems to have been pretty vocal in his preference for Bolling over their darling, Cuccinnelli. I mean I totally expect Bob to toe the party line come November and act “disappointed” in Bolling but you know that he prefers Bolling to Cooch as much as I do.

177 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:37:47pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

McDonnell seems to have been pretty vocal in his preference for Bolling over their darling, Cuccinnelli. I mean I totally expect Bob to toe the party line come November and act “disappointed” in Bolling but you know that he prefers Bolling to Cooch as much as I do.

You hear that Bolling won’t be running?

178 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:37:57pm

re: #175 Gus

Ustaše

Humans.

Yeah, I learned about them when I took a class on nationalism in Eastern Europe. Truly horrifying stuff.

179 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:38:03pm

Image: Srbosjek_%28knife%29_used_in_Croatia_-_1941%E2%80%931945.jpg

A knife nicknamed “Srbosjek” or “Serbcutter”, strapped to the hand, which was used by the Ustaše militia for the speedy killing of inmates in Jasenovac.

180 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:38:14pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

You hear that Bolling won’t be running?

No, I didn’t. Thought all signs were pointing to him doing so. Wonder what changed.

181 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:39:09pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I learned about them when I took a class on nationalism in Eastern Europe. Truly horrifying stuff.

It’s insane. Decades before I was born.

182 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:39:32pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

No, I didn’t. Thought all signs were pointing to him doing so. Wonder what changed.

Campaign funding. He couldn’t conceivably pull together enough funding to run an indie campaign.

183 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:40:42pm

re: #181 Gus

It’s insane. Decades before I was born.

It’s scary really. But I have to say of the Nazi collaborators, the Ustaše disturbs me the most since the clergy not only were cosigning off on the violence but in some cases were active participants in the slaughter.

184 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:41:02pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Campaign funding. He couldn’t conceivably pull together enough funding to run an indie campaign.

Not surprised then.

185 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:41:28pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Word.

186 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:41:48pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

Yay, Ted! My new Senator (R-WN) from Texas!

Went to a fundraiser a couple of weeks ago for the the Texas Children’s Heart Foundation ( a really good charity that deals with neonatal heart defects) and spent about 15 minutes chatting with Ms. Ted Cruz. Nice woman. Charming, intelligent, and quite well spoken. I get the sneaking suspicion that good old Ted is a role-playing chimera who is doing what his base expects.

Red meat, in the modern Republican Party, is apparently very effective. Too bad for Texas, too bad for the R’s, but good for Ted to suss out the schadenfreude of his base.

Pitiful, but it plays really well with the gonzo right.

Whee!

187 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:42:00pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Not surprised then.

Neither am I. VA went blue this time around, but the GOP apparatus here is still strong enough to swing state elections. Cuccinelli is their guy and God help us if he wins in November.

188 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:42:50pm

re: #128 Gus

Good news!

Mummification - that’s the way to go with this one.

189 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:43:19pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Neither am I. VA went blue this time around, but the GOP apparatus here is still strong enough to swing state elections. Cuccinelli is their guy and God help us if he wins in November.

I just hope McAulliffe does not underestimate the guy.

190 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:43:51pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

It’s scary really. But I have to say of the Nazi collaborators, the Ustaše disturbs me the most since the clergy not only were cosigning off on the violence but in some cases were active participants in the slaughter.

191 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:44:48pm

re: #186 austin_blue

I get the sneaking suspicion that good old Ted is a role-playing chimera who is doing what his base expects.

Does that, in a way, make him more contemptible than a true believer?

192 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:44:50pm
193 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:45:01pm

My life as farce.

194 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:46:35pm

re: #190 Gus

Yikes. Truly terrible stuff as I said. It truly is a testament to how terrible people can be to each other because of something like religion.

195 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:49:42pm

No one builds pyramids anymore.

Such a shame, as Chavez would be a candidate. A nice little step pyramid, like the smaller ones in central America, or the really old ones in southern Egypt.

196 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:49:43pm

re: #171 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Agree about the Massacre defense. The Alien and Sedition Acts stick in my craw, though.

I have a theory about that.

Granted, JA had serious issues about not being taken seriously.

However, the shit that was being published pissed Abigail off, because they were dissing her husband, a true patriot, who had suffered and sacrificed in their cause.

If you look at their letters, Abigail is definitely pushing John to sign the A&SAs (to protect him, in her mind).

And when your greatest and wisest counsel is so forceful, you listen.

I think the A&SAs were the singular failure of John and Abigail Adams.

They finally took politics too personal (still, took far beyond what any reasonable person would’ve; also, the new USA was in ferment; also also, TJ was actively suborning and undercutting JA), and screwed Ye Olde Poodle.

It’s tough to think how the defense attorney for the Boston Massacre could support the A&SAs.

But it happened.

197 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:50:27pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

Does that, in a way, make him more contemptible than a true believer?

Great question!

IMHO, yes.

In the future, he may very well need to kneel in front of the local post office and provide free blow jobs to the general public to regain his self respect. On the other hand, he could be elected President.

Time will tell.

198 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:52:30pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Neither am I. VA went blue this time around, but the GOP apparatus here is still strong enough to swing state elections. Cuccinelli is their guy and God help us if he wins in November.

Plus, they cheat.

www.usnews.com

199 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:52:47pm

re: #196 chadu

I have a theory about that.

Granted, JA had serious issues about not being taken seriously.

However, the shit that was being published pissed Abigail off, because they were dissing her husband, a true patriot, who had suffered and sacrificed in their cause.

If you look at their letters, Abigail is definitely pushing John to sign the A&SAs (to protect him, in her mind).

And when your greatest and wisest counsel is so forceful, you listen.

I think the A&SAs were the singular failure of John and Abigail Adams.

They finally took politics too personal (still, took far beyond what any reasonable person would’ve; also, the new USA was in ferment; also also, TJ was actively suborning and undercutting JA), and screwed Ye Olde Poodle.

It’s tough to think how the defense attorney for the Boston Massacre could support the A&SAs.

But it happened.

Interesting, I wasn’t aware of Abigail’s role in A&SAs. Anyhow, they were all real men with real flaws. It’s why while I admire the founding fathers, I don’t believe in holding them up on a high pedestal because they did make mistakes and they did have flaws. That doesn’t invalidate their work . It just means we should see them as products of their times and not push them into the realm of secular sainthood. Yes, we can appreciate them, nothing wrong with that but assuming that they knew best on everything is a fallacy.

200 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:53:16pm

re: #197 austin_blue

Great question!

IMHO, yes.

In the future, he may very well need to kneel in front of the local post office and provide free blow jobs to the general public to regain his self respect. On the other hand, he could be elected President.

Time will tell.

He can’t be elected president since he’s Canadian born. But I do agree, it is worse.

201 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:53:42pm

Photoshop out the word “TIME” and this provides endless caption-meme possibilities:

202 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:54:26pm

re: #186 austin_blue

Yay, Ted! My new Senator (R-WN) from Texas!

Went to a fundraiser a couple of weeks ago for the the Texas Children’s Heart Foundation ( a really good charity that deals with neonatal heart defects) and spent about 15 minutes chatting with Ms. Ted Cruz. Nice woman. Charming, intelligent, and quite well spoken. I get the sneaking suspicion that good old Ted is a role-playing chimera who is doing what his base expects.

Red meat, in the modern Republican Party, is apparently very effective. Too bad for Texas, too bad for the R’s, but good for Ted to suss out the schadenfreude of his base.

Pitiful, but it plays really well with the gonzo right.

Whee!

No, I think he is as his base thinks. However he is also very smart, very talented at rhetoric, and is personable. Someone here said they would not be surprised to see him introduce or support some ‘balanced’ projects - not ones that will massively offend the base, but which are still large enough that come 2015 or so he can point to as examples of how he’s not, well, Santorum. Or Perry.

In short, a presidential run with a decent chance of persuading the (nominally) moderate Republicans he’s really not so bad.

Cruz v Jeb for the 2016 Nomination. The base vs the establishment again, but this time with the base candidate looking personable.

203 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:55:44pm

re: #192 Gus

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t the Catholic Church support Franco in Spain, Salazar(now that is a name that just sounds evil) in Portugal, and a number of Latin American states?

It’s a pattern, so to speak.

204 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:56:33pm

re: #195 freetoken

The most impressive monuments built by humans in the last 50 years might just be in North Korea.

205 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:56:38pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

He can’t be elected president since he’s Canadian born. But I do agree, it is worse.

He is the son of two American citizens who were working in Canada at the time. He is, by current measure of law, a “natural born” citizen.

206 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:57:18pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Interesting, I wasn’t aware of Abigail’s role in A&SAs.

You have GOT to read her letters. She’s vitriolic when J is wan.

This pissed her off more than just about anything, IMAO.

Anyhow, they were all real men with real flaws. It’s why while I admire the founding fathers, I don’t believe in holding them up on a high pedestal because they did make mistakes and they did have flaws. That doesn’t invalidate their work . It just means we should see them as products of their times and not push them into the realm of secular sainthood. Yes, we can appreciate them, nothing wrong with that but assuming that they knew best on everything is a fallacy.

Word.

I mean, look at my other fave Presidents: Abe Lincoln and TR. Flawed, crazy mutants. Say something awesome one day, say something suckily the next. Do something awesome one day, do something lame the next.

207 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:58:22pm

re: #201 Interesting Times

Photoshop out the word “TIME” and this provides endless caption-meme possibilities:

This is still my favorite. It has stood the test of time (one day being an eternity on Twitter):

208 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:59:12pm

re: #205 kirkspencer

He is the son of two American citizens who were working in Canada at the time. He is, by current measure of law, a “natural born” citizen.

Ah didn’t know that. Thought I had heard his father wasn’t an American citizen.

209 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:59:12pm

re: #203 ProBosniaLiberal

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t the Catholic Church support Franco in Spain, Salazar(now that is a name that just sounds evil) in Portugal, and a number of Latin American states?

It’s a pattern, so to speak.

Yes.

210 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:59:25pm

re: #201 Interesting Times

Still waiting on canonization of Saint Francis of Hoboken.

(Sinatra, y’all.)

211 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:59:45pm

re: #206 chadu

I don’t think it would be that controversial on hear to say Lincoln is without a doubt the best President we ever had.

212 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:00:51pm

re: #203 ProBosniaLiberal

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t the Catholic Church support Franco in Spain, Salazar(now that is a name that just sounds evil) in Portugal, and a number of Latin American states?

It’s a pattern, so to speak.

Yes, they did. And it’s why I am strangely amused to hear the church calling Obama a fascist because of his pro choice stance and the birth control mandate.

213 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:00:53pm

re: #211 ProBosniaLiberal

I don’t think it would be that controversial on hear to say Lincoln is without a doubt the best President we ever had.

Not controversial, but also not necessarily true.

214 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:00:54pm

re: #203 ProBosniaLiberal

The Catholic Church supports whatever seems stable at the time, regardless of morality.

And yes, a reason I now call myself an agnostic.

215 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:00:58pm

re: #209 austin_blue

Seriously though, why would you trust a guy named Antonio Salazar?

That name just sounds evil. I can’t explain why.

216 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:01:33pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Ah didn’t know that. Thought I had heard his father wasn’t an American citizen.

Naturalized Cuban Immigrant. Bit of a quiet roil as he fled Batista’s Cuba, not Castro’s. (Ted claims his father didn’t know Castro was a Communist when he was in the game.)

217 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:02:08pm

re: #210 chadu

Still waiting on canonization of Saint Francis of Hoboken.

(Sinatra, y’all.)

Only if we get Perry of Canonsburg! Sorry have to speak up for my late Nana’s favorite crooner.

Youtube Video
218 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:03:06pm

re: #211 ProBosniaLiberal

I don’t think it would be that controversial on hear to say Lincoln is without a doubt the best President we ever had.

Nope; no disagreement.

Still he was “flawed” by modern perspectives on racial equality.

But still: way goddamn ahead of his time.

He’s still number one, in my head.

219 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:03:36pm

re: #214 chadu

The Catholic Church supports whatever seems stable at the time, regardless of morality.

And yes, a reason I now call myself an agnostic.

Well they supported Franco because they thought he was better for the church. The church in that time opposed pretty much any regime committed to separation of church and state. And the Spanish Republic was committed to that. There also was Republican violence against clergy. (That’s not an excuse of their actions but it did happen.)

220 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:03:39pm

re: #213 freetoken

Counter-examples? And whys?

221 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:04:37pm

re: #216 kirkspencer

Naturalized Cuban Immigrant. Bit of a quiet roil as he fled Batista’s Cuba, not Castro’s. (Ted claims his father didn’t know Castro was a Communist when he was in the game.)

Ah gotcha.

222 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:04:37pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Only if we get Perry of Canonsburg! Sorry have to speak up for my late Nana’s favorite crooner.

[Embedded content]

You remember I’m from Canonsburg, and am friends with Perry’s great-nephews? ;)

223 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:04:46pm

re: #214 chadu

Some Popes have made points that were way ahead of their time. For example, this guy.

On Germany:

Regarding the Versailles Peace Conference, the Vatican believed that the economic conditions imposed on Germany were too harsh, threatening the European economic stability as a whole. Cardinal Gasparri believed that the peace conditions and the humiliation of the Germans would likely result in another war, as soon as Germany would be militarily in a position to start one.

Oh, how right he was. He was fortunate not to see his prediction come to pass.

On the death of the Ottoman Empire.

Following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, concerns were raised in the Vatican about the safety and future of the Catholics in the Holy Land.

Ended up being right. I wonder if he had any inkling of the depraved Saudis and their ideology?

224 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:05:14pm

re: #222 chadu

You remember I’m from Canonsburg, and am friends with Perry’s great-nephews? ;)

And my grandpap used to get his hair cut by Perry in Washington, PA?

225 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:05:55pm

re: #222 chadu

You remember I’m from Canonsburg, and am friends with Perry’s great-nephews? ;)

Haha what a small world. My grandparents were from Pittsburgh’s North Side but there’s a family legend that says Perry danced with my Nana. My grandfather was also a frat bro of Gene Kelly’s at Pitt.

226 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:06:35pm

Apparently the new Pontifex Maximus has a science degree:

Jesuits, science and a Pope with a chemistry degree: A productive pairing?

A Masters in Chemistry? Hmmm….

227 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:07:11pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

My mom’s house is also Bobby Vinton’s mom’s house, that he bought her after his first big contract advance. ;)

228 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:08:13pm

re: #227 chadu

My mom’s house is also Bobby Vinton’s mom’s house, that he bought her after his first big contract advance. ;)

Yeah, that’s right, Vinton was from the same town. That’s crazy about your mother’s house being the same one Vinton bought his mother.

229 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:08:49pm

re: #215 ProBosniaLiberal

Seriously though, why would you trust a guy named Antonio Salazar?

That name just sounds evil. I can’t explain why.

Hey, Tony makes book in the ‘hood and is a stand-up guy! What’s this evil thing?

230 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:09:57pm

re: #226 freetoken

Apparently the new Pontifex Maximus has a science degree:

Jesuits, science and a Pope with a chemistry degree: A productive pairing?

A Masters in Chemistry? Hmmm….

meh. I can hardly wait for all the “black pope” crap to start filtering out from under rocks. All the nastiness attributed to Catholics was concentrated on the Jesuits. “Oh, they don’t swear loyalty to the pope. They swear loyalty to the Superior General, who swears to the pope. That frees them to do things the pope would not officially approve.” feh.

231 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:10:04pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

In any case, look at this monstrosity:

Image: Perry-Como-Canonsburg.jpg

www.tripadvisor.com

232 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:10:48pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I am afflicted by crooners! ;)

233 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:10:59pm

re: #229 austin_blue

I think it might be context of when I first heard the name.

You see, I first heard the name “Salazar” around age 7-9 years old.

I was born in 1990.

234 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:11:38pm

re: #220 chadu

Counter-examples? And whys?

I guess it depends upon what one means by “greatest”.

The mythologizing over Lincoln may have overtaken a measure analysis.

TJ was the center piece of the Constitutional movement, and one could argue that he is why the US is the US at all.

Or the GW was in no small way responsible for defeating the British, a long shot given that England was the worlds leading naval power and had a sizable army.

Or that FDR was the first truly modern President, using the automobile, and especially radio, in a way to bring the Presidency into the 20th century and set up a system of economics that is central to our modern way of life.

235 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:12:04pm

re: #231 chadu

In any case, look at this monstrosity:

Image: Perry-Como-Canonsburg.jpg

[Link: www.tripadvisor.com…]

Well, at least he has a festive hat.

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:12:16pm

re: #231 chadu

In any case, look at this monstrosity:

Image: Perry-Como-Canonsburg.jpg

[Link: www.tripadvisor.com…]

Heh gotta love that.

237 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:14:18pm

re: #190 Gus

I’ve just spent a bit of time reading around about this subject. I suppose I always knew that horrible, horrible things happened in that region during WW2 but I didn’t know how bad it was. It’s so easy to just say that all the world’s badness could be attributed to the Nazis, but then you run into stories about Catholic militia committing atrocities that aren’t out of place for the 15th century, and you wonder if the human race will ever advance beyond the urge to slaughter, violate, and dominate based on non-existent differences.

A friend of mine was in Bosnia with the U.S. Army in the 90’s and he tells stories when he gets enough beer in him… One quote that stuck out, “Life is cheap in some parts of the world. You haven’t lived until you’ve seen a mass grave full of babies wrapped in baling wire…”

238 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:15:56pm

re: #234 freetoken

FDR certainly took the US to its peak of power.

If you look at the amount stuff we produced back then, it is truly silly. Not only that, but the extent of Control we had around the planet.

During WWII, the US became quiet literally the most powerful nation the world had seen. We had 50% of the entire planet’s naval power.

And as that link shows, we really never even got to full production power.

239 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:17:04pm

re: #237 Pawn of the Oppressor

And the government that committed those atrocities still exists.

Justice? What Justice.

240 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:18:58pm

re: #237 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve just spent a bit of time reading around about this subject. I suppose I always knew that horrible, horrible things happened in that region during WW2 but I didn’t know how bad it was. It’s so easy to just say that all the world’s badness could be attributed to the Nazis, but then you run into stories about Catholic militia committing atrocities that aren’t out of place for the 15th century, and you wonder if the human race will ever advance beyond the urge to slaughter, violate, and dominate based on non-existent differences.

A friend of mine was in Bosnia with the U.S. Army in the 90’s and he tells stories when he gets enough beer in him… One quote that stuck out, “Life is cheap in some parts of the world. You haven’t lived until you’ve seen a mass grave full of babies wrapped in baling wire…”

My mom’s dad’s family is from the region. He always told me and my brothers that one of his distant cousins that still lived in the country at the war’s outset was killed the day of the Axis invasion. Legend is, the surviving brothers joined up with either the Chetniks or the Partisans. I am inclined to believe it was the latter since the Chetniks were predominately Serbians and my family on that side is Slovenian. But in any case, it’s just a tragic region. There were so few truly good people and too many truly bad people. The idea of an united South Slavic people sounded like a wonderful idea but it’s for the best that the Republics are free to operate independently. I just hope that this century and beyond can be one of peace. The people there deserve that much. Anyhow on that note, there’s a really good documentary about a couple of basketball players whose friendship fell apart over the troubles in the region. Anyone remember Vlade Divac?

242 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:21:08pm

re: #206 chadu

You have GOT to read her letters. She’s vitriolic when J is wan.

This pissed her off more than just about anything, IMAO.

Word.

I mean, look at my other fave Presidents: Abe Lincoln and TR. Flawed, crazy mutants. Say something awesome one day, say something suckily the next. Do something awesome one day, do something lame the next.

This is what made the John Adams HBO series so good. They touched on all the personal, human stuff that went on, rather than just paint-by-numbers history. I came away with the distinct impression of TJ as a Romantic, a bit of a fantasist imagining a perfect world of rich white guys just like himself, living on little business farms, free to do whatever their hearts desired. A brilliant writer, very intellectual, but a self-blind hypocrite and yes, maybe a bit of a dick to everyone, even his friends. As a professional self-absorbed a-hole myself, I felt like I recognized a bit of me in him.

Adams probably still doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

243 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:21:27pm

I think this is a sad thing… but since Nixon it’s been all downhill, as far as the US presidency goes, I think.

244 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:21:49pm
Walker, Robert L., The Human Cost of Communism in China (1971, report to the US Senate Committee of the Judiciary) “Casualties to Communism” (deaths):

1st Civil War (1927-36): .25-.5M
Fighting during Sino-Japanese War (1937-45): 50,000
2nd Civil War (1945-49): 1.25M
Land Reform prior to Liberation: 0.5-1.0M
Political liquidation campaigns: 15-30M
Korean War: 0.5-1.234M
Great Leap Forward: 1-2M
Struggle with minorities: 0.5-1.0M
Cultural Revolution: .25-.5M
Deaths in labor camps: 15-25M
TOTAL: 34.3M to 63.784M
TOTAL FOR PRC: 32M to 59.5M

245 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:22:32pm

re: #244 Gus

Mao Zedong may just be the biggest murderer in history.

246 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:22:36pm

re: #244 Gus

That’s Asia… no one cares about Asia….

247 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:24:17pm

re: #243 freetoken

You’re not wrong.

The US became powerful because of the streak of Good Presidents we had from FDR to Kennedy/Johnson (not sure what to think of Johnson. He was the one who got us into Vietnam.)

Our current issues stem from a streak of bad presidents. I will say that I think Reagan is one of the worst presidents we ever had.

248 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:27:10pm

re: #233 ProBosniaLiberal

I think it might be context of when I first heard the name.

You see, I first heard the name “Salazar” around age 7-9 years old.

I was born in 1990.

Good lord, child, you are a hatchling! I am three years short of three score. One of the wonderful things about this board is the breadth of experience that is here. And the kindness. Any question you may ask, without rancor, will be addressed by folks who have been there and done that. The amount of life experience here is remarkable.

That doesn’t mean we don’t have positive/negative reactions to those experiences by various lizards, but I truly believe that this a community that has a fundamental respect for its members.

So post away! Ask questions! Delve into your past and ask advice for the hard questions. We’re here for ya, bubba. That’s a big part of what LGF is.

249 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:27:34pm

re: #246 freetoken

That’s Asia… no one cares about Asia….

We should have stuck with Chiang Kai-shek. But no.

250 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:28:51pm

re: #249 Gus

We should have stuck with Chiang Kai-shek. But no.

We should have objected to European powers trying to colonize China, but instead we just played the power game like the rest.

251 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:29:52pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

May?

He is. Why do you think I am so anti-PRC?

In terms of death toll though, we should look at the percentage of target population killed though as well.

For the Bosnian War, it works out of something like 6-9%. With another 1-2% (at least) raped in Organized Rape Camps.

That last one is a really special sort of evil right there. Only Nazi Germany and Japan under the Taisei Yokusankai did that sort of depravity.

I hope that explains my logic on Serbia. Japan and Germany ended up occupied. Serbia did not.

252 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:29:54pm

re: #234 freetoken

Updinged. Please continue.

253 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:30:17pm

Watching Argo the other night really made me angry about what we did with the Shah. I mean damn. What the hell was Eisenhower and his staff thinking?

254 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:31:03pm

re: #215 ProBosniaLiberal

Seriously though, why would you trust a guy named Antonio Salazar?

That name just sounds evil. I can’t explain why.

It’s Basque. It means “old hall” (from sala “hall” (borrowed from Spanish) and zahar “old”).

255 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:31:17pm

re: #239 ProBosniaLiberal

And the government that committed those atrocities still exists.

Justice? What Justice.

I get the sense that real justice wasn’t really part of the plan, like most interventions. I had a classmate in art school from Croatia tell me that the intervention was a good thing after I expressed skepticism of it’s effectiveness. Not being from there, I asked him just how anybody told these “groups” apart, and he said they kill each other based on last name. For fuck’s sake…

Get my friend (I’ll call him “A” for “Army”) drunk enough and he’ll tell a story about listening to a local being slowly, agonizingly knifed to death out in the dark within earshot of his comfy U.S. camp post, and being under orders not to intervene in any way. “A” told this story to a mutual friend “B”, emphasizing the trauma of hearing another person being murdered and being duty-bound NOT to try and stop it (a moral conundrum placed on a 20-something that’s only really possible in the modern world of “peacekeeping”?). Neither I nor B are sure that A actually remembers telling the story, and it’s unlikely he’d be happy with me for recounting it.

Sometimes I think we aren’t going to make it, that sheer numbers are the only thing guaranteeing our species’ survival, because we sure as hell aren’t going to survive on good, sensible behavior.

256 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:31:47pm

VDH goes more into DERP:

The New Affirmative Action

Sometime in the first years of the new millennium, “global warming” evolved into “climate change.” Amid growing controversies over the planet’s past temperatures, Al Gore and other activists understood that human-induced “climate change” could explain almost any weather extremity — droughts or floods, temperatures too hot or too cold, hurricanes and tornadoes — better than “global warming” could.

[…]

No, that’s not what happened, but the old white guys complaining abut BROWN BABIES! need to bring international conspiracies into the act to keep the heat on.

257 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:31:54pm

re: #242 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yup, JA is essentially all of us, methinks.

He just lived it large, on a national stage.

258 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:33:08pm

re: #251 ProBosniaLiberal

May?

He is. Why do you think I am so anti-PRC?

In terms of death toll though, we should look at the percentage of target population killed though as well.

For the Bosnian War, it works out of something like 6-9%. With another 1-2% (at least) raped in Organized Rape Camps.

That last one is a really special sort of evil right there. Only Nazi Germany and Japan under the Taisei Yokusankai did that sort of depravity.

I hope that explains my logic on Serbia. Japan and Germany ended up occupied. Serbia did not.

Well there’s Stalin. If you want to talk about percentage, Pol Pot’s Cambodia has to have one of the highest ever.It’s going to be interesting to see what’s in the PRC’s archives when that regime falls. A lot came to light after the Soviet Union fell.

259 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:33:42pm

re: #248 austin_blue

Good lord, child, you are a hatchling! I am three years short of three score.

Dear fluffy lord, I am 41, and I am still a youngling Lizard.

260 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:33:55pm

re: #256 freetoken

VDH goes more into DERP:

The New Affirmative Action

No, that’s not what happened, but the old white guys complaining abut BROWN BABIES! need to bring international conspiracies into the act to keep the heat on.

I am so sick of VDH being treated like an intellectual. Okay, he knows a lot about Ancient Greece. Too bad he doesn’t know shit about the reality of 2013.

261 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:34:40pm

Do you think that NRO will ever admit that VDH is very much like Derbyshire?

262 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:34:41pm

NOTE: I have a cat in my hair. Literally. Ouch.

263 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:35:40pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Democracy as a magic bullet, I’d say.

264 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:35:56pm

re: #261 freetoken

Do you think that NRO will ever admit that VDH is very much like Derbyshire?

No, never. Unless he does something really outlandish.

265 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:36:00pm

re: #247 ProBosniaLiberal

You’re not wrong.

The US became powerful because of the streak of Good Presidents we had from FDR to Kennedy/Johnson (not sure what to think of Johnson. He was the one who got us into Vietnam.)

Our current issues stem from a streak of bad presidents. I will say that I think Reagan is one of the worst presidents we ever had.

Um, no. Kennedy got us into Vietnam. And Diem’s assassination happened on his watch. On the other hand he’d started a withdrawal which Johnson reversed. Very complex mess.

266 AlexRogan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:36:57pm

re: #247 ProBosniaLiberal

You’re not wrong.

The US became powerful because of the streak of Good Presidents we had from FDR to Kennedy/Johnson (not sure what to think of Johnson. He was the one who got us into Vietnam.)

Our current issues stem from a streak of bad presidents. I will say that I think Reagan is one of the worst presidents we ever had.

Johnson also pushed hard for the passage of the CRA, the VRA, and the Great Society programs.

Definitely not a perfect President, but he did a lot more than most people today give him credit for.

267 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:37:40pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

No, never. Unless he does something really outlandish.

As he gets older I wonder if he’ll start being more overt in his racism. Many of these guys can play a very sophisticated game of find-the-dog-whistle for decades, but as we age sometimes our personality changes to the point where we take off previous masks.

268 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:38:05pm

Goodnight, Lizardim.

I still have another hour of freelance work to do on the new FIREFLY RPG before I sleep.

I should get to that.

Later!

269 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:38:21pm

re: #263 chadu

Democracy as a magic bullet, I’d say.

Hmm? Not sure I follow. Anyhow, I understand anti-communism but man some of the shit we did in the Cold War was just stupid without thinking about coincidences. We’re fortunate that the Chilean people don’t despise us for the coup that installed Pinochet.

270 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:39:16pm

Wow, this is interesting.

Deadliest Days in American History

1. September 8-9, 1900, Galveston Hurricane 8,000
2. September 17, 1862, Battle of Antietam 4,300
3. September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks 2,992
4. April 18-21, 1906, San Francisco Earthquake and Fire 2,500
5. September 16, 1928, Lake Okeechobee Hurricane 2,500

271 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:39:28pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

In terms of people per day, Pakistan holds that distinction, with the Bengali Genocide. 6,000-12,000 people per day for 260 days.

If you count the Holocaust’s death toll at 13.6 million (Jews+ Soviet POWS, among many, many others), and define it as running from the Kristallnacht to the liberation of the Last Death Camp (Theresienstadt on May 8, 1945), the death toll was 5,400 People per Day.

The Pakistani Government outdid the Nazis. Think about that. Why we didn’t turn on them then is beyond me. That will be a splotch on our history that will never leave.

I personally think we should be giving foreign aid to Bangladesh until further notice. As a sort of guilt payment for supporting the Genocide.

272 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:39:28pm

re: #267 freetoken

As he gets older I wonder if he’ll start being more overt in his racism. Many of these guys can play a very sophisticated game of find-the-dog-whistle for decades, but as we age sometimes our personality changes to the point where we take off previous masks.

I suppose you are right. How far apart are Derbyshire and VDH in age though? Could be that Derbyshire’s less subtle in his bigotry and VDH is more so. Agree with your big point though. Buchanan’ bigotry has more or less been exposed as Pat hits his 70’s.

273 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:40:38pm

re: #271 ProBosniaLiberal

In terms of people per day, Pakistan holds that distinction, with the Bengali Genocide. 6,000-12,000 people per day for 260 days.

If you count the Holocaust’s death toll at 13.6 million (Jews+ Soviet POWS, among many, many others), and define it as running from the Kristallnacht to the liberation of the Last Death Camp (Theresienstadt on May 8, 1945), the death toll was 5,400 People per Day.

The Pakistani Government outdid the Nazis. Think about that. Why we didn’t turn on them then is beyond me. That will be a splotch on our history that will never leave.

I personally think we should be giving foreign aid to Bangladesh until further notice. As a sort of guilt payment for supporting the Genocide.

When was that? Sorry not aware of that. I know that the Nixon administration favored Pakistan strongly over India during the India-Pakistan wars in the early 70’s.

274 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:41:56pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

As the grave gets nearer, we start to want to cram everything in to the few years we have left. That means less time for elaborate hiding games.

Plus, there is a real personality change as the brain ages. For some people it may not be significant from year to year. Sometimes, e.g. with some strokes, the change can be pretty obvious.

275 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:43:22pm

re: #270 Gus

Hurricane Katrina is somewhere around 10-12 on that list.

1,836 Dead on August 29, 2005.

And there are still 100+ (at this point, likely dead). And with other counting issues, the number could be 2,000+.

And the Health Effects of Katrina, how many live will that take during my life time?

276 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:44:43pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Occurred in 1971, after the Bengalis wanted independence because of Pakistan’s neglectful response to the devastating Bhola Cyclone (300-500k dead).

Favored them to the point of supporting Genocide. I would recommend you read “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” by Christopher Hitchens for his role in that, and possibly the assassination of Bangladesh’s First President.

277 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:45:00pm

You know, I think idiot Ron Paul used the Galveston Hurricane as “proof” that less federal intervention is a virtue. Yeah. Fuck that shit.

278 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:45:36pm

re: #276 ProBosniaLiberal

Favored them to the point of supporting Genocide. I would recommend you read “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” by Christopher Hitchens for his role in that, and possibly the assassination of Bangladesh’s First President.

Ah so early 70’s. I’m familiar with Hitchens’ book and documentary. Saw some of the latter but was dozing off that night.

279 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:47:59pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

You know, I think idiot Ron Paul used the Galveston Hurricane as “proof” that less federal intervention is a virtue. Yeah. Fuck that shit.

Indeed he did, in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Irene. Allow me to send yet another hearty “FUCK YOU!” to Luap Nor.

280 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:48:04pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I personally think Kissinger needs to be extradited to France. They want to question him for his part in many of the crimes. Think of France as a “Hub” for matters involving Kissinger and crimes against humanity.

281 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:49:10pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

Indeed he did, in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Irene. Allow me to send yet another hearty “FUCK YOU!” to Luap Nor.

If that’s not a reason to despise Ron Paul, I don’t know what is. I cannot stand him and his equally dipshit son.

282 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:49:32pm

re: #280 ProBosniaLiberal

Part of it is scapegoating on the part of France, I suspect. France very much is partly to blame for why SE Asia became so messed up.

283 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:50:06pm

re: #282 freetoken

Part of it is scapegoating on the part of France, I suspect. France very much is partly to blame for why SE Asia became so messed up.

Vietnam was after all their colony that they refused to give up.

284 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:50:34pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

And then we had Hurricane Sandy, which was everything Irene would have been, and more.

The worst Hurricane for the Northeast since the Great Atlantic Hurricane of 1944.****

****-What the hell do you define Donna as? Cause it effected the Northeast. Along with every single state on the East Coast.

285 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:50:36pm

Many of the major powers, including the US, played the “Asian game” in the 19th century.

And it bore horrible fruit in the 20th century.

286 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:51:18pm

re: #282 freetoken

True. But they want to question him over the the stuff in Latin America and East Timor.

287 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:53:14pm

re: #282 freetoken

Part of it is scapegoating on the part of France, I suspect. France very much is partly to blame for why SE Asia became so messed up.

And parts of Africa.

288 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:54:08pm

re: #285 freetoken

Many of the major powers, including the US, played the “Asian game” in the 19th century.

And it bore horrible fruit in the 20th century.

So long as there have been international powers, there has been mucking around in the affairs of other states. Much of what western nations have been subjected to in the Middle East can be traced back to “The Great Game” of the mid-19th to early 20th century between Great Britain and the Russian Empire.

289 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:54:53pm

re: #271 ProBosniaLiberal

In terms of people per day, Pakistan holds that distinction, with the Bengali Genocide. 6,000-12,000 people per day for 260 days.

If you count the Holocaust’s death toll at 13.6 million (Jews+ Soviet POWS, among many, many others), and define it as running from the Kristallnacht to the liberation of the Last Death Camp (Theresienstadt on May 8, 1945), the death toll was 5,400 People per Day.

The Pakistani Government outdid the Nazis. Think about that. Why we didn’t turn on them then is beyond me. That will be a splotch on our history that will never leave.

I personally think we should be giving foreign aid to Bangladesh until further notice. As a sort of guilt payment for supporting the Genocide.

Whoa. Were we active in that genocide or guilty of benign neglect? I’m thinking Rwanda, here, where things just went ballistic. Ethnic cleansing death estimates range from 500,000 to 1,000,000. We watched.

290 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:57:35pm

And Vietnam.

291 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:58:04pm

re: #289 austin_blue

A little fuzzy. We certainly provided logistical and materiel support for Pakistan, and we did try to drag China, Iran, and Jordan into it. China might have responded, but their military was in no shape to do anything after the war with India some 6-7 years years earlier (India had recovered by then. They had “lost,” but inflicted so much damage that China had to pull back from their gains.)

As for Iran and Jordan, I can’t find whether they actually did sent fighter jets and pilots to Pakistan.

292 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:00:22pm

Then there was the Napoleonic War and the German campaign that pissed of the Germans for many years. Fed into German nationalism and could be seen as a feeder of Hitler’s Germany.

293 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:03:58pm

re: #290 Gus

And Vietnam.

For the US that was a rather short lived venture, though. Say 1965-1972 for the intense fighting, and the decade before that as a low level warm up.

The French started colonizing SE Asia with the military around the turn of the 18th century into the 19th, and sort of dumped it into America’s lap after WWII.

294 sagehen  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:04:19pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Hmm? Not sure I follow. Anyhow, I understand anti-communism but man some of the shit we did in the Cold War was just stupid without thinking about coincidences. We’re fortunate that the Chilean people don’t despise us for the coup that installed Pinochet.

Who says they don’t?

295 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:05:40pm

France has more than likely killed more civilians in its history than the USA. I only mention that because of the popularity of collective guilt. Would need to check. They kept trying to destroy the UK for many a year. Ironically they were a US ally because of the UK connection. We were also a co-belligerent in the war of 1812. Some of this led to Beethoven “shredding up” his dedication of Symphony No. 3 to Napoleon.

296 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:06:05pm

re: #293 freetoken

We got alot of stuff dumped in our lap after WWII.

Indochina, the Middle East, the Pacific Islands, aiding Western Europe, getting Japan back on its feet, Korea, among others I am certainly missing.

297 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:06:11pm

re: #294 sagehen

Who says they don’t?

Fair point but I mean we’re not universally despised there like we are with Iran. We have diplomatic relations and I think a U.S president or foreign dignitary is safe in Santiago.

298 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:06:38pm

re: #293 freetoken

For the US that was a rather short lived venture, though. Say 1965-1972 for the intense fighting, and the decade before that as a low level warm up.

The French started colonizing SE Asia with the military around the turn of the 18th century into the 19th, and sort of dumped it into America’s lap after WWII.

The French were chopping off heads left and right in Vietnam during their colonization of Vietnam.

299 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:07:03pm

Off that is.

300 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:13:23pm

Boink.

301 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:15:16pm

Bloomberg doing the whitewash-dance:

Republican 2016 Hopefuls Take Stage Without Christie

Republicans harboring presidential ambitions face their first major casting call today on a stage where they must try to balance wooing the party’s base while not alienating independent voters.

[…]

302 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:18:51pm

Reuters trying some meme-shaping:

Analysis: Obama tries new tack with Israel, reaching out to wary public

After nearly four years of often testy relations with Benjamin Netanyahu, U.S. President Barack Obama is about to try a different tack - going over the head of Israel’s prime minister and appealing directly to the Israeli people.

Obama’s first presidential visit to Israel next week, while certainly including meetings with Netanyahu, will focus heavily on resetting his relationship with the country’s wary public as he seeks to reassure them he is committed to their security and has their interests at heart.

[…]

News-flash to Reuters writers - the “interests at heart” for a US President is that of the US, not any other nation.

303 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:21:40pm

11歳　11-year-old birthday

Youtube Video
304 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:24:02pm

re: #301 freetoken

Bloomberg doing the whitewash-dance:

Republican 2016 Hopefuls Take Stage Without Christie

oh please run jeb

he has all the dazzling charisma of an associate vice president for operations

305 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:31:17pm

re: #301 freetoken

Bloomberg doing the whitewash-dance:

Republican 2016 Hopefuls Take Stage Without Christie

How pathetic. They’re all Confederates except for Wisconsin.

306 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:32:27pm

Also funny. Romney lost in 2012 and the GOP is putting him on the speaking circuit.

307 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:33:03pm

re: #305 Gus

How pathetic. They’re all Confederates except for Wisconsin.

If only Bloomberg dare run a more accurate headline, such as “Racist Reactionary Groups Position Themselves To Take Total Control of GOP”.

308 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:37:13pm

re: #215 ProBosniaLiberal

Seriously though, why would you trust a guy named Antonio Salazar?

That name just sounds evil. I can’t explain why.

Wat.

309 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:37:33pm

re: #301 freetoken

Bloomberg doing the whitewash-dance:

Republican 2016 Hopefuls Take Stage Without Christie

The problem being merely associating with the base drives off independents.

310 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:38:57pm

Zzzzzzzzz.

311 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:39:16pm

Maybe it’s just me.

312 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:39:29pm

re: #301 freetoken

Bloomberg doing the whitewash-dance:

Republican 2016 Hopefuls Take Stage Without Christie

Oh yeah, real “winners” all:

- Perry (Voted off the island)
- Jindal (Please, tell us again ‘bout that exorcism)
- Walker (Come for the union-busting, stay for the strip-mining)
- Rubio (Vote for me, I’m Cuban!)
- Paul (Vote for me, I’m nuts!)
- Bush (I’m smarter than my brother.)
- Santorum (Another ‘12 Also-Ran)
- Ryan (“Path to Prosperity,” need I say more?)

And note that these are just the current “front-runners.” Who knows which of the other witless wonders that CPAC has brought aboard to speak will consider White House bids between now and ‘15?

313 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:40:13pm

re: #306 Gus

Also funny. Romney lost in 2012 and the GOP is putting him on the speaking circuit.

Only reason I could see would be as an example. “This is what a losing presidential candidate looks like.”

314 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:40:36pm

re: #310 Gus

Yeah, more of the Davos - Vail crowd patting themselves on their collective backs.

315 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:42:01pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

You forgot Sarah “God told me to sell you a book about the commercialization of Christmas” Palin.

316 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:43:29pm

re: #314 freetoken

Yeah, more of the Davos - Vail crowd patting themselves on their collective backs.

317 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:44:07pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

Oh yeah, real “winners” all:

- Perry (Voted off the island)
- Jindal (Please, tell us again ‘bout that exorcism)
- Walker (Come for the union-busting, stay for the strip-mining)
- Rubio (Vote for me, I’m Cuban!)
- Paul (Vote for me, I’m nuts!)
- Bush (I’m smarter than my brother.)
- Santorum (Another ‘12 Also-Ran)
- Ryan (“Path to Prosperity,” need I say more?)

And note that these are just the current “front-runners.” Who knows which of the other witless wonders that CPAC has brought aboard to speak will consider White House bids between now and ‘15?

Yeah not really an impressive bunch. It’s sad that Jeb is the most impressive one.

318 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:45:25pm

The fact that Herman Cain emerged as “not Romney” albeit briefly should tell you that the GOP electorate is willing to nominate anyone including a guy who thinks in his own words doesn’t need to know foreign policy. Of course, Ron Paul coming in over Huntsman should tell you a lot too.

319 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:47:21pm

re: #314 freetoken

Yeah, more of the Davos - Vail crowd patting themselves on their collective backs.

TED Talks. Olm. :D

320 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:49:09pm

I just realized I’m probably going to be within a mile or two where CPAC is on Saturday when I’ll be in D.C to have some fun on St. Patrick’s DAY eve. Yeah……

321 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:49:32pm

re: #315 freetoken

You forgot Sarah “God told me to sell you a book about the commercialization of Christmas” Palin.

Yeah, I’m not holding my breath on that. Caribou Barbie seems to have seriously worn out her welcome. Only way I could see the party touching her with anything less than a 40ft pole between now and ‘16 is if they seriously thought that running her against Hillary would be worthwhile. I don’t see it, I think she’d poll even worse than a dead skunk, and that’s why I think she’s gonna have to settle for grifting what she can from the few remaining rubes.

322 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:49:37pm

Oy. They have George Soros there. No Stephen Hawking.

323 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:50:40pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’m not holding my breath on that. Caribou Barbie seems to have seriously warn out her welcome. Only way I could see the party touching her with anything less than a 40ft pole between now and ‘16 is if they seriously thought that running her against Hillary would be worthwhile. I don’t see it, I think she’d poll even worse than a dead skunk, and that’s why I think she’s gonna have to settle for grifting what she can from the few remaining rubes.

Rumor I hear is she’s planning to run against Begich for the Senate seat. I think she’s worn out her welcome with Alaskan voters but who knows.

324 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:50:49pm

Mohamed ElBaradei… Snore.

325 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:50:50pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

Everything old can be new again.

326 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:51:23pm

Niall Ferguson? LOL

327 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:53:20pm

Forget Palin. Donald Trump will be there. BEcause Donald Trump played such an important role in President Romney’s election ass kicking.

328 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:53:50pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Rumor I hear is she’s planning to run against Begich for the Senate seat. I think she’s worn out her welcome with Alaskan voters but who knows.

Yeah, I’d heard that as well. More plausible than a presidential run, but again I’m not sure that the GOP wants all that close an associated with her anymore. She was their darling back when the Tea Party was their ticket to a House majority. Now? I’m sure most of them wish she’d just go away.

329 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:55:13pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’d heard that as well. More plausible than a presidential run, but again I’m not sure that the GOP wants all that close an associated with her anymore. She was their darling back when the Tea Party was their ticket to a House majority. Now? I’m sure most of them wish she’d just go away.

Yeah her star has fallen which I have no doubt greatly pisses her off because she loves being told that people should have listened to her in 2008.

330 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:56:20pm


331 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:56:53pm

re: #326 Gus

IMO, the “leading thinkers” today are to be found in:

1) Physical anthropologists unraveling the details of the last million years of human evolution through combining genetics with physical remains;
2) Avant garde video makers exploring the potential of low cost, high quality video technology, and changing our expectations of art and entertainment;
3) Web advertisers who have developed approaches to personalized advertising campaigns and thus transforming commerce.

These are the types who are effectually changing our world-views, and who will influence how the later inhabitants of the 21st century view themselves.

Billionaires annually visiting skiing resorts - not so much.

332 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 10:59:57pm

re: #331 freetoken

IMO, the “leading thinkers” today are to be found in:

1) Physical anthropologists unraveling the details of the last million years of human evolution through combining genetics with physical remains;
2) Avant garde video makers exploring the potential of low cost, high quality video technology, and changing our expectations of art and entertainment;
3) Web advertisers who have developed approaches to personalized advertising campaigns and thus transforming commerce.

These are the types who are effectually changing our world-views, and who will influence how the later inhabitants of the 21st century view themselves.

Billionaires annually visiting skiing resorts - not so much.

I don’t think there’s one African descendent in that list. Not one.

333 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:00:24pm

re: #332 Gus

I don’t think there’s one African descendent in that list. Not one.

Do they ski?

334 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:01:30pm

re: #333 freetoken

Do they ski?

Not usually. I hate skiing so I can relate. :D

335 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:01:54pm

re: #333 freetoken

Do they ski?

Wait. Maybe www.prospectmagazine.co.uk

336 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:03:03pm

Oy.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk

337 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:10:21pm

People are self promotional. It’s weird. I never understood this kind of idol worship. The cult of personality. Most of these people have photo shoots of themselves in multiple poses. PR reps. Agents.

338 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:15:25pm

re: #337 Gus

They are the reality TV stars for the champagne and foie gras crowd.

339 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:18:23pm

Breaking news!

340 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:18:29pm
341 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:18:49pm
closer look at these articles reveals what decadence awaits our world, if we sign this document:

1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.

342 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:19:25pm

re: #341 Gus

Bryan Fischer concurs.

343 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:22:04pm

re: #342 freetoken

Bryan Fischer concurs.

344 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:22:36pm

WTFWT?

345 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:25:30pm

That’s 12 pounds of fuck nuttery.

346 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:27:52pm

Imagine living in a country like that?

347 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:27:52pm

Sure enough, Catholic anti-abortion activists concur:

Activists Promote Abortion at UN Commission on the Status of Women

[…] This begs the question the news media are not asking: will the abortion advocates be willing to set aside their agenda in order to avoid another stalemate? […]

So, it’s the abortionists who are at fault or not stopping violence against women?

348 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:31:29pm

PersonhoodUSA is on the case:

Day 1 of the UN Commission on the Status of Women

[…]

Liz Carl, who became pregnant from rape at age 17, also spoke at the event, telling delegates that if they really believe in empowering women, they won’t assume women are “too weak” to have a baby conceived in rape. She shared how her son’s life has been a beacon of hope in her healing process. To end the cycle of violence, she said, women need to allow for the opportunity to love.

[…]

Just… wow.

349 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:33:37pm

Fuck the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Party.

350 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:36:15pm

Faithful Alex Jones’ readers are on the case:

[…] This week, Girl Scouts are at the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women where their radical feminist friends are calling for “erotic justice” for girls as young as 8 to be autonomously sexual without parental knowledge. […]

351 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:36:20pm
352 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:39:43pm

And of course, the fart brats are on the case:

PRO-ABORTION POLITICS AT PLAY IN OBSTRUCTING UN COMMISSION ON STATUS OF WOMEN

Yes, it’s all the abortionists fault.

353 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:40:33pm

re: #352 freetoken

And of course, the fart brats are on the case:

PRO-ABORTION POLITICS AT PLAY IN OBSTRUCTING UN COMMISSION ON STATUS OF WOMEN

Yes, it’s all the abortionists fault.

So basically Breitbart is in line with the Muslim Brotherhood.

354 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:41:53pm

re: #353 Gus

So basically Breitbart is in line with the Muslim Brotherhood.

The US religious right is trying to plant the idea that it’s the abortionists who are standing in the way of women’s rights around the world.

No, not the old patriarchal power systems. It’s those nasty abortionists.

355 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:55:09pm

Feel the love:

356 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:55:43pm

I missed this when it came out a few weeks ago, last year but James Tabor has offered up a final form of a paper of his exploration of the Talpiot Tomb:

A Preliminary Report of a Robotic Camera Exploration of a Sealed 1st Century Tomb in East Talpiot, Jerusalem

Personally, I think Tabor getting tied in with sensationalist Jacobovici has poisoned the well, so to speak, and raises questions of his neutrality.

357 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:03:11am

re: #355 Kragar (Antichrist )

Feel the love:

Well shit. Now I have a personal schism.

358 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:10:20am

Sexuality is about patriotism. Whatever.

359 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:10:46am

If Malkin thinks this then kudos to her.

360 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:14:40am

re: #358 Gus

Sexuality is about patriotism. Whatever.

Didn’t you know that only upper class white Christian heterosexual men can be patriots?
/

361 freetoken  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:28:53am

I raised Tabor’s well publicized tomb work because there is a never ending stream of “theories” about Je$u$, the market for which seems to be endless.

E.g., Tom Verenna takes down another faker:

A New Theory That Jesus Was King of Edessa? Not So Fast, Mr. Ellis!

Ralph Ellis, Jesus, and his Myth of the King Jesus of Edessa

Religions is possibly the best known money maker, but to see so many books published each year in this country, sold to countless clueless, offering up nothing more than fanciful stories to stroke the fears/wants of insecure and often feeble-minded people… well, it’s a bit too much at times.

362 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:30:08am
363 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:37:05am

re: #361 freetoken

I raised Tabor’s well publicized tomb work because there is a never ending stream of “theories” about Je$u$, the market for which seems to be endless.

E.g., Tom Verenna takes down another faker:

A New Theory That Jesus Was King of Edessa? Not So Fast, Mr. Ellis!

Ralph Ellis, Jesus, and his Myth of the King Jesus of Edessa

Religions is possibly the best known money maker, but to see so many books published each year in this country, sold to countless clueless, offering up nothing more than fanciful stories to stroke the fears/wants of insecure and often feeble-minded people… well, it’s a bit too much at times.

Many of the miracles attributed to Jesus were actually a part of the regional folklore of the Middle East for centuries before he was born, being attributed to different prophets and wisemen down thru the years.

They never want to discuss that research though.

364 freetoken  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:41:43am

With apologies to Pete:

Earlier today I posted a link to the story about the dramatic decline in the monarch butterfly population in their Mexican over-wintering habitat. The story inspired me to write some lyrics which hadn’t time earlier to post, so I offer them up here to the late night crowd:

WHERE HAVE ALL THE MONARCHS GONE

Where have all the monarchs gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the monarchs gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the monarchs gone?
Farmers ‘ve starved them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the farmers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the farmers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the farmers gone?
Bought by BigAg every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where has all your BigAg gone?
Long time passing
Where has all your BigAg gone?
Long time ago
Where has all your BigAg gone?
Gone for ethanol every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where has all the ethanol gone?
Long time passing
Where has all the ethanol gone?
Long time ago
Where has all the ethanol gone?
Gone to SUVs every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the SUVs gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the SUVs gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the SUVs gone?
Covered with monarchs every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?

365 freetoken  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:44:02am

Ooops… had to replace a verb… “starved” intended instead of “picked”.

366 freetoken  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 12:48:16am
MP3 Audio
367 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 1:04:26am

Ma’Lik Richmond, Steubenville Rape Suspect, To Speak Out In ‘20/20’ Interview

One of the two Steubenville High School football players accused of raping a teenage girl has defended his innocence to ABC News’s “20/20,” after media coverage of the case caused a firestorm in the small Ohio town and on social media.

“She had her arm wrapped around me and one hand on my chest. It just felt like she was coming on to me,” Ma’Lik Richmond, whose trial starts this week, told the news outlet.

“20/20” will air the full interview on March 22, but promotional excerpts online include Richmond saying that, in the backseat of the car where the alleged rape began, the girl was kissing the neck of the other accused football player, Trent Mays. Richmond also claimed that a widely circulated picture, in which the girl appears to be unconscious while two boys carry her by her arms and feet, was a joke.

“She was just like laughing, we were all talking, just clowning around and that’s when her ex-boyfriend was like, ‘Let me get a picture of this drunk B. And that’s when we took the picture,” Richmond said.

As the Steubenville investigation progressed and more details unfolded — like the video leaked by hackers of a young man referring to the alleged victim as the “dead girl” — media interviews have, for the most part, featured local authorities and attorneys, as opposed to eye-witnesses or the accused.

Yeah, laughing and joking, which is why she is passed out in the videos as this little shit and his buddies raped and urinated on her. Just good ole fashioned fun.

I want the whole town to pay for defending this little fuck.

368 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 1:28:44am

re: #349 Gus

Fuck the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Party.

Let’s get Mubarak back!

/

This is the problem we face in dealing with that part of the world: either we get (relatively) moderate secular dictators who rule through the military or we get Muslim Brotherhoods or other Islamist parties.

We can choose our poison. But as long as our dependence on imported energy resources creates a financial and political involvement for us in that part of the world, we have to swallow it.

369 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 1:46:37am

re: #367 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ma’Lik Richmond, Steubenville Rape Suspect, To Speak Out In ‘20/20’ Interview

““She had her arm wrapped around me and one hand on my chest. It just felt like she was coming on to me,” Ma’Lik Richmond, whose trial starts this week, told the news outlet.”

Only a slut who wants to get gang-raped would put her arm around a guy and a hand on his chest…

Just ask Bryan Fischer or the Muslim Brotherhood
/

370 freetoken  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 2:03:06am
MP3 Audio

www.amazon.com

371 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 2:21:39am
Family Research Council senior fellow Pat Fagan appeared alongside Tony Perkins, the head of FRC, on Washington Watch yesterday to discuss his article which claims that Eisenstadt v. Baird, the 1972 case that overturned a Massachusetts law banning the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried people, may rank “as the single most destructive decision in the history of the Court.”

Fagan argued that the Supreme Court decision was wrong because it effectively meant that “single people have the right to engage in sexual intercourse.” “Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever,” Fagan said.

Freedom is for big gay sinning heathens and licentious hussies.

372 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 2:27:14am

re: #371 goddamnedfrank

Freedom is for big gay sinning heathens and licentious hussies.

“Freedom means the freedom to obey God’s will”

-Rick Santorum

373 Shvaughn  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 2:48:30am

Happy pie day.

374 freetoken  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 3:52:21am
MP3 Audio
375 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 4:08:34am

re: #373 Shvaughn

Happy pie day.

Did someone say Pie?

376 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 4:26:45am

re: #135 Charles Johnson

If Russian and German scientists can’t do it, nobody can.

Madame Tussaud’s.

377 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 4:53:57am

In Germany it does not work, they do date, month, year.

Which means that next March will be Pie Month: 3.14!!!

378 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 4:56:47am

re: #263 chadu

Democracy as a magic bullet, I’d say.

Any to stop socialism/communism is more likely. The anti-communism / anti-Russia thing takes such precedence that it blinds rationally looking at consequences. _Charlie Wilson’s War_ gets into that as well. Bad things in Afghanistan due to the Soviet occupation, and it short-sightedly pretty much led into the Taliban getting control after the Soviets left.

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:00:08am

re: #378 Feline Fearless Leader

Nor does anybody want to mention that during the reign of the Pro-Soviet leaders, women in Afghanistan had more rights than they ever had in their history, before or since.

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:03:25am

re: #296 ProBosniaLiberal

We got alot of stuff dumped in our lap after WWII.

Indochina, the Middle East, the Pacific Islands, aiding Western Europe, getting Japan back on its feet, Korea, among others I am certainly missing.

Well, part of that was a big chunk of the industry in the rest of the world having been bombed in the previous 6-10 years. One reason for our industrial supremacy in the idyllic 50s - Japan, China, Russia, and Europe were busy rebuilding, and the various former colonies were trying to establish themselves. Lots of markets without much competition.

381 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:08:21am

A great piece by Walter Mosley in the Atlantic about stopping rape culture.

Ten Things to End Rape Culture

And #1 hits right on the money.

1. Name the real problems: Violent masculinity and victim-blaming. These are the cornerstones of rape culture and they go hand in hand. When an instance of sexual assault makes the news and the first questions the media asks are about the victim’s sobriety, or clothes, or sexuality, we should all be prepared to pivot to ask, instead, what messages the perpetrators received over their lifetime about rape and about “being a man.” Here’s a tip: the right question is not, “What was she doing/wearing/saying when she was raped?” The right question is, “What made him think this is acceptable?” Sexual violence is a pervasive problem that cannot be solved by analyzing an individual situation. Learn 50 key facts about domestic violence. Here’s one: the likelihood that a woman will die a violent death increases 270% once a gun is present in the home Remember, a violent act is not a tragic event done by an individual or a group of crazies. Violence functions in society as” a means of asserting and securing power.”

382 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:10:17am

DERP. Make up your mind Bryan.


383 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:12:16am

re: #381 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

A great piece by Walter Mosley in the Atlantic about stopping rape culture.

Ten Things to End Rape Culture

And #1 hits right on the money.

I went to the library this week and got a bunch of Walter Mosely books that you recommended.

384 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:13:47am

re: #368 Sol Berdinowitz

Let’s get Mubarak back!

/

This is the problem we face in dealing with that part of the world: either we get (relatively) moderate secular dictators who rule through the military or we get Muslim Brotherhoods or other Islamist parties.

We can choose our poison. But as long as our dependence on imported energy resources creates a financial and political involvement for us in that part of the world, we have to swallow it.

And we need to shut-up about how wonderful democracy is if we are going to be realpolitik and help set up and support dictators because we prize stability for access to resources more than our supposed principles.

Nothing demeans espoused principles more than blatant hypocrisy.

385 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:15:31am

I’ve paged the Walter Mosley piece. Spread it around, guys, it’s really awesome.

littlegreenfootballs.com

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:19:36am

I jokingly asked a Brazilian co-worker if they expected the whole country to get excommunicated the next time Brazil beat Argentina in football. He chuckled about it at least.
;)

387 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:24:05am

re: #326 Gus

Niall Ferguson? LOL

Some of the stuff Ferguson writes would make Buchanan blush. I don’t think many people have really grasped how revisionist he really is.

388 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:26:06am

Teabaggers worshiped the knuckle-dragging Breitbart-tards for deceptively editing videos to smear good people. They should take a lesson from Scott Prouty.

Thanks to Scott Prouty, we’re not stuck with THIS guy.

389 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:44:23am

Suspect killed in shoot-out with police in Herkimer, NY.

usnews.nbcnews.com

390 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:45:44am

The siege of a building in Herkimer, NY has ended after 19 hours and the suspected gunman who killed four and injured two others was killed.

The suspect, Kurt Myers, opened fire on police as they attempted to enter the building killing an FBI police dog. Police returned fire, killing Myers.

There’s still indication as to why Myers began his killing spree. Before going on the spree, Myers set fire to his home before going to two locations in neighboring towns killing two people at each.

391 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 5:52:21am

re: #390 lawhawk

The siege of a building in Herkimer, NY has ended after 19 hours and the suspected gunman who killed four and injured two others was killed.

The suspect, Kurt Myers, opened fire on police as they attempted to enter the building killing an FBI police dog. Police returned fire, killing Myers.

There’s still indication as to why Myers began his killing spree. Before going on the spree, Myers set fire to his home before going to two locations in neighboring towns killing two people at each.

From the article he went to a barber shop, and then a car wash, before holing up in a closed bar. That, in addition to the burning down of his own house, makes it really look like a suicide mission. Destroy home, take “revenge” on some people being blamed for one’s troubles, and then essentially seek out death by cop.

392 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:00:51am

re: #387 dragonath

Some of the stuff Ferguson writes would make Buchanan blush. I don’t think many people have really grasped how revisionist he really is.

Reactionary is probably a better word than revisionist…

393 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:00:52am

re: #391 Feline Fearless Leader

From the article he went to a barber shop, and then a car wash, before holing up in a closed bar. That, in addition to the burning down of his own house, makes it really look like a suicide mission. Destroy home, take “revenge” on some people being blamed for one’s troubles, and then essentially seek out death by cop.

I wonder what his Twitter handle was. Or maybe he wasn’t tech-savvy enough for Twitter, so what was his FreeRepublic nic?

394 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:03:25am

DERP

Obama-Medvedev clip.

395 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:06:05am

OUTRAGE! INTERNS SHOULD WORK FOR FREE!!!!!11111


396 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:06:48am

re: #393 Vicious Babushka

I wonder what his Twitter handle was. Or maybe he wasn’t tech-savvy enough for Twitter, so what was his FreeRepublic nic?

Probably not that sort of nut. The 2-3 articles don’t have a lot of details, but it sounds like he used a shotgun (probably double-barreled). And the victims appear to be males of approximately his age (68 and 57 in the barbershop; 60s and 40s in the car wash - with the latter being a state corrections officer who might have been trying to interfere.)

From that it sounds like he snapped and was probably settling some grudges before removing himself.

397 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:09:20am

re: #395 Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many Fox News talking heads had “mediocre GPAs” in college.

398 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:11:26am

I see there’s now an “askpelosi” hashtag, and the usual suspects are once again dazzling us with their wit.

399 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:11:32am
400 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:11:58am

re: #397 iossarian

I wonder how many Fox News talking heads had “mediocre GPAs” in college.

INTERNS SHOULD NOT BE PAID!!! INTERNSHIPS ARE INDENTURED SERVITUDE!!!! WHY SHOULD SOMEONE WITH NO EXPERIENCE GET PAID!!!!!

401 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:14:15am

re: #398 iossarian

I see there’s now an “askpelosi” hashtag, and the usual suspects are once again dazzling us with their wit.

I just looked. Uccch.

402 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:15:38am
403 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:17:21am

re: #401 Vicious Babushka

I just looked. Uccch.

I shouldn’t have bothered looking - sometimes you don’t need to have your suspicions confirmed.

I do wonder whether Dem strategists at this point are deliberately setting these hashtags up to make the right-wing reveal its bad craziness (as opposed to actually trying to have a conversation with normal people).

404 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:20:37am

re: #403 iossarian

I shouldn’t have bothered looking - sometimes you don’t need to have your suspicions confirmed.

I do wonder whether Dem strategists at this point are deliberately setting these hashtags up to make the right-wing reveal its bad craziness (as opposed to actually trying to have a conversation with normal people).

Their goal is to set up enough hashtags that the crazies are too busy putting in stupid tweets to actually pay attention to the real world.
//

405 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:21:50am

An incredibly powerful short video that I can’t figure out how to imbed in a post.

GUS! make this an awesome Pages Post. OK?

406 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:23:38am

re: #385 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’ve paged the Walter Mosley piece. Spread it around, guys, it’s really awesome.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Yes, it is. I’d wish it would go viral.

I’m going to repost it on my fb.

407 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:25:25am

re: #406 FemNaziBitch

Yes, it is. I’d wish it would go viral.

I’m going to repost it on my fb.

Tweeted.

408 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:29:25am

Morning Humour Break

409 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:29:33am

The Guardian has a CPAC liveblog, for those Lizards who may be interested in some dry British wit on crackers.

410 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:30:12am

Bad, bad iossarian!

411 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:31:16am

re: #409 iossarian

The Guardian has a CPAC liveblog, for those Lizards who may be interested in some dry British wit on crackers.

I already have my husband’s cold. I don’t want to feel any worse.

412 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:34:28am

Looks like wingnuts want a RandPaul/AllenWest ticket in 2016.

413 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:35:13am

re: #383 Vicious Babushka

I went to the library this week and got a bunch of Walter Mosely books that you recommended.

You’ll burn thru them quickly.

His writing is addictive.

414 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:35:58am

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

Looks like wingnuts want a RandPaul/AllenWest ticket in 2016.

With Ted Nugent as the court jester. It’s all very “Beyond Thunderdome”-ish.

415 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:35:59am

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

Looks like wingnuts want a RandPaul/AllenWest ticket in 2016.

Just giving the election to the Dems.

We don’t have a viable two party system anymore, really. We have the Theocrats and the Regular People.

416 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:35:59am

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

Looks like wingnuts want a RandPaul/AllenWest ticket in 2016.

Hilarity will ensue.

417 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:38:55am

NO JUICE OR MUSLIMS OR VEGETARIANS WELCOME AT CPAC

418 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:39:28am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

NO JUICE OR MUSLIMS OR VEGETARIANS WELCOME AT CPAC

WELCOME TO AMERICA HAVE SOME BACON OR GTFO

419 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:39:35am

LOLOLOLOL

420 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:39:56am

#CPAC is hilarious

421 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:40:57am

Hypothetical CPAC conversation:

“What’s that in your hand?”

“It’s my mingle stick.”

“Why does it smell of bacon?”

422 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:41:57am

re: #421 iossarian

Hypothetical CPAC conversation:

“What’s that in your hand?”

“It’s my mingle stick.”

“Why does it smell of bacon?”

“I just took it out of a pig’s ass.”

423 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:42:37am
424 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:43:34am

re: #419 Vicious Babushka

Why won’t Barack Obama debate @allenwest? #CPAC
— FloridaJayhawk (@FloridaJayhawk) March 14, 2013

What the f*ck does this even mean? The debate would begin and end with this:

Prez: I won, you lost. Enough said. I’m out

425 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:44:16am

re: #424 Dr. Matt

What the f*ck does this even mean? The debate would begin and end with this:

Prez: I won, you lost. Enough said. I’m out

The debate would go,

POTUS: Please proceed.

426 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:44:25am

re: #424 Dr. Matt

What the f*ck does this even mean? The debate would begin and end with this:

Prez: I won, you lost. Enough said. I’m out

Allen West. OMG!

427 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:45:07am

re: #422 Vicious Babushka

“I just took it out of a pig’s ass.”

I shouldn’t have updinged that but I did anyway.

428 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:46:31am

re: #419 Vicious Babushka

Allen West’s constituents answered that debate “question”.

They said West’s done. Fired. Quit wasting our time. Stop grandstanding. He’s outta here.

429 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:46:50am

CPAC: A bunch of old angry white men (and Allen West) blaming their failures on the black man in the White House.

430 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:50:08am

Interesting side note, just 12 hours ago if you went to google images and searched for ‘Scott Prouty’, some dude with a violin was the prominent hit. 12 hours later: www.google.com

431 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:51:50am
432 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:52:33am

re: #430 Dr. Matt

I can’t get over the fact that the reason he brought his camera to the event was that he’d had a photo-op with Clinton when working at a similar event in the past.

That is just awesome on so many levels.

433 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:53:56am
434 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:54:41am

re: #432 iossarian


Seriously. Our Bubba is approaching Demigod status. :)

435 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:55:17am

REAGAN LET 241 US MARINES DIE IN BEIRUT.

436 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:57:30am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

Think REAGAN would of just went 2bed & not helped 4MEN that were beaten to death#Benghazi #cpac #latinos #hispanics #p2 #unitelbue @cspan
— Freedom Fighter (@DefundMSM) March 14, 2013

“Beaten to death”? Is that latest talking point? I guess the medical coroner’s conclusion of smoke inhalation isn’t nearly as sexy for the teahadists.

P.S. And what the hell does “Defund MSM” even mean?

437 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:57:59am

GOP’s idea of a balanced budget is massive cuts to safety net and tax cuts for the richest - spreading the burden on everyone else all while selling it as good for economy. And the Ryan budget shows that they’re not above using the same kind of trickery they pulled before the 2012 election by in turns claiming that Obama was cutting Medicare but using the same cuts to balance their own budget ledger sheet.

Ryan’s vision for the budget is a warped landscape where the safety net has holes large enough to let millions pass through without any kind of coverage while the rich get richer still as he pushes the marginal rates down to levels that simply can’t sustain basic government functions. It’s hardly a small c conservative budget. It’s radical in its intent to upend how government functions and is funded to deal with its basic purposes (like protecting against and recovering from natural disasters). It’s why the sequester is something that Ryan and others don’t particularly mind - as long as the blame for whatever bad effects occur go to Obama. It’s part of their long term goal for reducing government’s role in most everything - everything except their crusade against womens’ rights (particularly on birth control, abortion) and on gay marriage.

438 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 6:58:41am

re: #433 Vicious Babushka

need a better acronym.

Cee Panties and Cry?
Counter-Panty Apocalyptic Crusade
Catholic Party Apocalyptic Cabal

439 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:02:57am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

440 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:05:18am

Shameless Self Promotion:

have a new offering for Autism Awareness Month 2013 (April). 10% goes to Autism Speaks.

I’d appreciate sharing the link with anyone you think might be interested.

441 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:12:28am

More humour!

442 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:14:00am
443 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:14:08am

re: #440 FemNaziBitch

linky fixed

444 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:14:40am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Such wardrobe should be left to the re-enactors at Williamsburg, VA. (Who do an excellent job, BTW)

445 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:15:07am

re: #444 FemNaziBitch

Such wardrobe should be left to the re-enactors at Williamsburg, VA. (Who do an excellent job, BTW)

Yeah those guys are so farby.

446 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:16:03am

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

Yeah those guys are so farby.

How do you know all these new words?

447 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:16:05am

Israeli Parties Reach Deal To Form Government

Instead of the ultra-Orthodox, Netanyahu’s bloc has now joined up with two parties led by charismatic newcomers who made big gains in the election.

Yesh Atid, founded by former TV personality Yair Lapid, won 19 seats in the election on a message promising relief to Israel’s struggling middle class and an end to draft exemptions for the ultra-Orthodox.

As head of the second largest party in parliament, Lapid will serve as the new finance minister, a position with great influence over setting the government’s budget. It will also control the Education Ministry.

The Jewish Home, a party linked to the West Bank settler movement led by high-tech millionaire Naftali Bennett, will control the Housing and Trade ministries.

Netanyahu’s bloc will retain control of the powerful defense and interior ministries.

448 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:16:48am

I thought it was an on-going thing? Like the Cold War—no?

449 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:17:14am

re: #446 FemNaziBitch

How do you know all these new words?

Used to work with some guys who were CW re-enactors.

450 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:22:25am
451 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:22:56am

Very cool!

Billy Joel is doin’ ok.

452 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:23:30am

re: #450 Vicious Babushka

Do these people think they are at one big frat party?

453 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:23:31am
454 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:26:57am

WTF?

455 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:27:56am

re: #453 Vicious Babushka

“Property rights” == “I got mine”

I don’t so much mind the wacky costumes (though that Reagan mask is kind of creepy). You get those everywhere.

456 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:29:33am

Because rolling on the ground laughing is how you show “fear”

457 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:30:31am

re: #455 iossarian

“Property rights” == “I got mine”

I don’t so much mind the wacky costumes (though that Reagan mask is kind of creepy). You get those everywhere.

I’ve never been to a Democrat or progressive kind of confab, like an anti-CPAC. So I don’t know the answer to this question: Do they wear goofy costumes, too?

458 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:31:28am
459 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:32:25am

*FACE PALM*

460 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:35:44am

re: #453 Vicious Babushka

TFP—ultra-Catholics with a touch of Brevik about them.

461 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:36:22am

DERP WTF

462 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:36:39am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

That explains a lot. Still haven’t learned that you are not going to win a war or occupation, via proxies or not, if you don’t win over the citizenry.

(WOLVERINES!)

And given their infatuation with “Red Dawn” the dissonance regarding this is all the more apparent.

463 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:37:10am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

TFP—ultra-Catholics with a touch of Brevik about them.

So, do they think Pope Francis is a commie?

464 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:37:12am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka

The Vietnam War ended in 1975. Why is Gohmert still talking about it?

[As an aside, two of my fellow teachers toured Vietnam in February. They said Hanoi was entirely a liveable city, with great continental food and cafes. Ho Chi Minh City (aka Saigon), not so much. There’s some irony in that situation.]

465 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:39:04am

A LAUGH A MINUTE

466 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:39:43am

And now teh Pr0nbots have swarmed #CPAC

467 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:40:15am

re: #464 wheat-dogghazi

The Vietnam War ended in 1975. Why is Gohmert still talking about it?

[As an aside, two of my fellow teachers toured Vietnam in February. They said Hanoi was entirely a liveable city, with great continental food and cafes. Ho Chi Minh City (aka Saigon), not so much. There’s some irony in that situation.]

I can tell from the young(er) girls (25-27) at the nail shop that Vietnam is just fine. When they first come over, they are a big shy, but it doesn’t take them long to acclimate. They drive, they get to work, they party, they don’t get married, they go to school, they talk with their friends in Vietnam on the internet.

I have no fear for them. They are just fine.

468 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:41:40am

re: #453 Vicious Babushka

What I don’t get is the Family Coat of Arms on the banner in the back. Does Property include serfs?

469 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:42:45am

re: #463 Vicious Babushka

So, do they think Pope Francis is a commie?

Will try to find out—a good litmus test.


They like his stand on gays, quote Newsmax on his social justice statements.
(Not linking—they shouldn’t get the traffic.)

470 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:44:16am

re: #468 FemNaziBitch

What I don’t get is the Family Coat of Arms on the banner in the back. Does Property include serfs?

They have a ‘nobility’, military order fetish.

471 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:48:22am

re: #467 FemNaziBitch

From what I can tell, the Western (and especially French) influence has never really left Vietnam, even after years of Communist rule. It’s more Western than China, certainly. My Chinese friends and students have a tough time getting acclimated to life in the States, the UK or Australia, despite their assiduous study of American movies and TV shows.

472 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:49:03am

re: #457 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve never been to a Democrat or progressive kind of confab, like an anti-CPAC. So I don’t know the answer to this question: Do they wear goofy costumes, too?

I’ve not been to Dem/progressive things specifically but every (big) work conference I’ve been to has had goofily-dressed guys (usually) trying to attract you to their little vendor stand.

473 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:49:40am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Oh dear. I see CPAC derp has started already.

474 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:50:45am

re: #473 Bulworth

Oh dear. I see CPAC derp has started already.

#CPAC hashtag has been hijacked by teh pr0nbots, even more unreadable than normal.

475 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:52:34am
Why won’t Barack Obama debate
@allenwest
?
#CPAC

— FloridaJayhawk (@FloridaJayhawk) March 14, 2013

Hahahahahahhhahahahhhahhhahahahah

476 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:54:06am

re: #472 iossarian

I’ve not been to Dem/progressive things specifically but every (big) work conference I’ve been to has had goofily-dressed guys (usually) trying to attract you to their little vendor stand.

Regrettably, our version of the 18th Cent costume is the drum circle.

477 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:57:20am
478 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:57:46am

re: #471 wheat-dogghazi

From what I can tell, the Western (and especially French) influence has never really left Vietnam, even after years of Communist rule. It’s more Western than China, certainly. My Chinese friends and students have a tough time getting acclimated to life in the States, the UK or Australia, despite their assiduous study of American movies and TV shows.

Well, is there any country that one would be able to immediately settle into with study on the culture solely based on movies and TV shows produced by that country? India, for example?

479 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 7:58:45am

re: #476 Decatur Deb

Regrettably, our version of the 18th Cent costume is the drum circle.

I thought that was a New Age-y type thing, though I have to admit I participated in one many years ago. The older me would tell the younger me that he looked totally stupid at the time.

480 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:00:10am

re: #479 wheat-dogghazi

I thought that was a New Age-y type thing, though I have to admit I participated in one many years ago. The older me would tell the younger me that he looked totally stupid at the time.

Got stuck near one at the Stewart/Colbert Rally. Great for the first five minutes.

481 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:00:25am

re: #478 Feline Fearless Leader

Point taken, but what I was suggesting was Vietnamese might have an easier time adjusting than Chinese. Only a suggestion, since my experience is limited.

482 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:04:44am

re: #480 Decatur Deb

Got stuck near one at the Stewart/Colbert Rally. Great for the first five minutes.

Will you shut that bloody bouzouki up!

483 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:06:14am

re: #458 Vicious Babushka

Wait a second. Bumblebee is an illegal alien, who entered without proper documentation or papers. His legal status came only through military service in defense of US against other alien groups. ///but only just

484 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:06:44am

re: #482 iossarian

Will you shut that bloody bouzouki up!

Get off my damn mall!!

485 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:07:13am

re: #481 wheat-dogghazi

Point taken, but what I was suggesting was Vietnamese might have an easier time adjusting than Chinese. Only a suggestion, since my experience is limited.

Lots of factors. I’ve been watching my SIL adapt to the US for over twenty years. She picked up on a bunch of things quickly, while other things still remain a total mystery to her.

A supporting cultural community and friends she can speak Chinese with seems to play a big role. A bit a familiarity in the midst of strangeness. And they are very good about being welcoming and helping new arrivals settle in.

486 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:07:48am
487 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:09:14am

LIBERTARIAN ANSWER: FUCK THE POOR IF THEY WON’T WORK FOR RICE & GRUEL

488 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:10:08am

re: #487 Vicious Babushka

LIBERTARIAN ANSWER: FUCK THE POOR IF THEY WON’T WORK FOR RICE & GRUEL

Love that assumption that you need a church to look after the poor.
:p

489 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:11:42am

re: #488 Feline Fearless Leader

Love that assumption that you need a church to look after the poor.
:p

Better to have privatized prisons to look after the poor.

490 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:12:48am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

God must be getting pretty fed up with this Allen West character, constantly talking like he knows The Higher Being Upstairs.

491 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:12:55am

re: #487 Vicious Babushka

Youtube Video
492 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:13:27am

re: #489 Decatur Deb

Better to have privatized prisons to look after the poor.

Build barracks next to the Walmarts, put them all to work for 10¢ an hour, 10¢ is the price of a bowl of gruel at the company cafeteria where they can go on their 5-minute lunch break.

493 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:14:07am

re: #489 Decatur Deb

Better to have privatized prisons to look after the poor.

How come people on welfare in prison on food stamps have a better life than I do with my $50k/year job creating bidness?

494 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:14:28am

If it takes longer than 5 minutes to walk from their work station to the cafeteria, PAY IS DOCKED.

495 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:15:16am
496 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:19:56am
497 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:20:57am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

Is that just an empty coat on the back of the chair, or did someone get tagged with Transformer guy’s shrink-ray?

498 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:21:18am
499 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:21:58am

re: #471 wheat-dogghazi

From what I can tell, the Western (and especially French) influence has never really left Vietnam, even after years of Communist rule. It’s more Western than China, certainly. My Chinese friends and students have a tough time getting acclimated to life in the States, the UK or Australia, despite their assiduous study of American movies and TV shows.

Thing is, Uncle Ho looked to America as his model. Had Truman kept FDR’s word and kept the French from going back in after the war, the Vietnamese would have never gone anywhere near the communists - especially the Chinese. There is no love between China and Vietnam - only a history of conquest and oppression.

There could be a free and prosperous Vietnam right now. It has managed to be more close to free than any other communist country - and more free than most of the right wing dictatorships we propped up over the past half century - despite us. When we were in Saigon in 2002 for our adoption, I met a former VC officer who was a Communist bureaucrat by day and a landlord by night and who had a communist decorated ancestor shrine to his mother who was also VC. As long as that kind of mix continues, they’ll be all right in the long run.

500 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:22:16am

What right-wing racism?

501 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:23:22am
502 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:24:44am

What Pi sounds like:

Youtube Video

Happy Pi Day!

503 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:24:55am
504 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:25:36am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

That Krafty.Wurker guy was ranting about the Jews earlier.

505 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:25:55am
506 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:26:14am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

Photo: Pretty sparse crowd for Dick Morris

Which one of those empty chairs is Obama?

507 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:26:30am

CPAC Health Care program: Bleed to death.
CPAC Food Stamps program: Starve to death.

508 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:29:52am

re: #473 Bulworth

Oh dear. I see CPAC derp has started already.

What gets me about the “We could have won Vietnam if it weren’t for those damn anti-war commies” is that it’s the same bullshit that Germany used after WWI— they could have won if it weren’t for those backstabbing Jews and commies. And a lot of the anti-war press and civil rights movement that protested the draft had strong Jewish support.

509 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:31:02am

re: #453 Vicious Babushka

Tradition, Family, Property, huh. It’s like they’re purposely trying to create an inverse “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”.

510 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:31:14am
511 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:31:55am

Bizarro World

512 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:31:59am

WHAT RIGHT-WING WHITE SUPREMACISM?

513 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:32:23am

re: #510 Vicious Babushka

Do I see a Oliver North placard back there?

514 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:33:38am

re: #513 dragonath

Do I see a Oliver North placard back there?

Looks like a book.

515 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:33:50am

re: #509 dragonath

Tradition, Family, Property, huh. It’s like they’re purposely trying to create an inverse “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”.

Per their web, they’re avowed reactionary monarchists.

516 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:33:53am

CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE TOO, MY FRIEND.

517 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:34:04am

re: #513 dragonath

Do I see a Oliver North placard back there?

Great spot. Conservatives will always have a place in their heart for those who break the law and aid our enemies.

518 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:34:09am

re: #507 Vicious Babushka

CPAC Health Care program: Bleed to death.
CPAC Food Stamps program: Starve to death.

ProLife!! /

519 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:34:22am
520 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:37:53am

re: #515 Decatur Deb

Per their web, they’re avowed reactionary monarchists.

Yeah, I was looking at that. That site is really strange. What’s really unsettling is that they publish a magazine called Crusade.

521 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:37:59am
522 Mattand  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:38:50am

re: #482 iossarian

Will you shut that bloody bouzouki up!

Upding for obscure Monty Python reference.

523 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:39:01am

The Windsor border crossing is the only international border where the USA side is crappier than the non-USA side.

524 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:39:51am

re: #523 Vicious Babushka

NIAAAAAAGRA FALLS!

525 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:40:19am

re: #524 dragonath

NIAAAAAAGRA FALLS!

Slowly I turned…

526 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:40:21am

re: #521 Vicious Babushka

Deep.

527 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:40:34am

re: #509 dragonath

Tradition, Family, Property, huh. It’s like they’re purposely trying to create an inverse “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”.

No different than the “God Nation Family” of the Falangists.

528 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:40:43am

re: #521 Vicious Babushka

Duh. Because Mexico invaded U.S. and took U.S. land in the Mexican-American War. Wolverines!!

/

529 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:41:42am

re: #528 Bulworth

Duh. Because Mexico invaded U.S. and took U.S. land in the Mexican-American War. Wolverines!!

/

U.S. invaded Canada and took Canadian land in the War of 1812!!11 That’s why Michigan is called the Wolverine State!

530 Mattand  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:45:27am

re: #508 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

What gets me about the “We could have won Vietnam if it weren’t for those damn anti-war commies” is that it’s the same bullshit that Germany used after WWI— they could have won if it weren’t for those backstabbing Jews and commies. And a lot of the anti-war press and civil rights movement that protested the draft had strong Jewish support.

I actually had a born-again tell me with a straight face that the reason Nixon was forced out of office was not Watergate.

It was those damn war protestors.

I’ve mentioned this guy before. He feels the Girl Scouts have a lesbian agenda. Also was open to the idea that the ‘08 collapse was engineered to put Obama in office.

531 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:45:44am

Looks like CPAC hit the wrong tone on the current discussion. I’m getting a dial tone. /

532 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:51:07am

Ah, the Crusades

Pretty much slaughtering everybody in Jerusalem
Torturing the Byzantine prelate to locate the True Cross
The rape and pillage of Constantinople
Children sold into slavery
Ill-founded alliances with Mongols

Tradition, man!

533 iossarian  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:53:01am

Do these idiots really think that’s going to work for them?

“We just have to stop calling brown people bad names, then they’ll vote for our crazy-ass immigration policies.”

534 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:54:00am

re: #505 Vicious Babushka

Hey, it’s the gop health plan in action.

535 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:55:37am

re: #532 dragonath

Ah, the Crusades

Pretty much slaughtering everybody in Jerusalem
Torturing the Byzantine prelate to locate the True Cross
The rape and pillage of Constantinople
Children sold into slavery
Ill-founded alliances with Mongols

Tradition, man!

Why do you hate multi-national coalitions?

536 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:55:46am

re: #533 iossarian

Do these idiots really think that’s going to work for them?

“We just have to stop calling brown people bad names, then they’ll vote for our crazy-ass immigration policies.”

Yeah, they do think that’s the solution. In for a surprise when it doesn’t work. Here’s the simple truth they want to ignore: YOUR POLICES ARE UNAPPEALING TO MOST PEOPLE

537 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:56:41am
538 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:56:43am

re: #508 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

What gets me about the “We could have won Vietnam if it weren’t for those damn anti-war commies” is that it’s the same bullshit that Germany used after WWI— they could have won if it weren’t for those backstabbing Jews and commies. And a lot of the anti-war press and civil rights movement that protested the draft had strong Jewish support.

You know I never thought about it like that, (Always saw it as just bitching about protesters) but that’s a really good point.

539 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:57:13am

re: #530 Mattand

I actually had a born-again tell me with a straight face that the reason Nixon was forced out of office was not Watergate.

It was those damn war protestors.

I’ve mentioned this guy before. He feels the Girl Scouts have a lesbian agenda. Also was open to the idea that the ‘08 collapse was engineered to put Obama in office.

I wonder what they think of this.

540 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:01:28am

re: #508 Obdicut

And Joe McCarthy was a continuation of the whole “Commie Hollywood Jew” thing left over from the isolationist 30s. Damn these shifty Juice, they wanted a war when True America was against it!

541 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:05:21am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

Once Dick Morris gets an audience I don’t think anything will stop him from dominating CPAC.

////

542 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:05:30am

re: #540 dragonath

And Joe McCarthy was a continuation of the whole “Commie Hollywood Jew” thing left over from the isolationist 30s. Damn these shifty Juice, they wanted a war when True America was against it!

Yeah I’m reading about 1930’s Germany now and a lot of Americans unfortunately felt that the Jews deserved the treatment they were getting in Germany or that the reports of violence were exaggerated. I think a good question to ask someone on the right who claims that the Nazis are on the left is to ask them why so many conservatives in the 1930’s seemed okay with Hitler, Mussolini, and later Franco because of their anti-communism. I’ve read more contemporary reports from 1930’s liberals and leftists(and that includes those damn commies) warning about Nazi Germany. Conservatives nowadays will never admit it but their ideology had a huge tint of ANti-Semitism to it especially in Europe.

543 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:07:28am

CPAC is the ultimate circle jerk where conservatives can jerk themselves off and tell each other how the real reason why they’re losing and why Barack Obama is the worst thing in the history of ever. In short, there will be no real winning solutions developed this weekend. Just more whining from people who always lecture personal responsibility to others but never take any for themselves. Can’t wait to see how much whine Mitt Romney’s speech has it.

544 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:09:41am

What has Gene Sperling done to bully CPAC today?

/

545 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:10:35am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

The guy who enforced the Hays code, Joseph Breen, was a total anti-semite. Says a lot that the Catholics regarded him as a moral arbiter against Hollywood filth.

546 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:11:43am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m reading about 1930’s Germany now and a lot of Americans unfortunately felt that the Jews deserved the treatment they were getting in Germany or that the reports of violence were exaggerated. I think a good question to ask someone on the right who claims that the Nazis are on the left is to ask them why so many conservatives in the 1930’s seemed okay with Hitler, Mussolini, and later Franco because of their anti-communism. I’ve read more contemporary reports from 1930’s liberals and leftists(and that includes those damn commies) warning about Nazi Germany. Conservatives nowadays will never admit it but their ideology had a huge tint of ANti-Semitism to it especially in Europe.

Father Coughlin.

547 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:11:45am

I like the way the USA has blood on their hands all over the place during the Cold War yet most Americans like to act like it never happened yet are easy to point their fingers at former Latin American dictatorships while Henry Kissinger and company are lauded as statesman. Bleh.

548 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:11:56am

China got a new POPRC?

549 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:12:14am

Nixon was a great man… who supported many of those fucking dictatorships.

550 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:12:19am

re: #545 dragonath

The guy who enforced the Hays code, Joseph Breen, was a total anti-semite. Says a lot that the Catholics regarded him as a moral arbiter against Hollywood filth.

Ah I had heard of the Hays Code but never Joseph Breen.

551 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:13:03am

re: #546 Vicious Babushka

Father Coughlin.

A great example.

552 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:13:13am

GUS, did you see my #405?

553 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:13:50am

re: #552 FemNaziBitch

GUS, did you see my #405?

Let me see…

554 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:14:52am

Hillary is LHAO

555 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:15:14am

re: #552 FemNaziBitch

GUS, did you see my #405?

I’ll have to look later. I’m on the mobile card now. Bookmarked.

556 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:15:22am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Ah I had heard of the Hays Code but never Joseph Breen.

Yeah, he enforced a prohibition against anti-Nazi pictures, I think, until Confession of a Nazi Spy came out. Harry Warner did more than any other production head in Hollywood to fight fascism.

557 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:15:45am

re: #547 Gus

I like the way the USA has blood on their hands all over the place during the Cold War yet most Americans like to act like it never happened yet are easy to point their fingers at former Latin American dictatorships while Henry Kissinger and company are lauded as statesman. Bleh.

Point our fingers at these dictatorships and act like our policies and actions have nothing to do with them. You mentioned the Dirty War last night I believe. The Reagan Administration was a strong supporter of that regime. You even had some like Jesse Helms support them in their war with the UK over the Falklands.

558 bubba zanetti  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:16:55am

re: #554 Vicious Babushka

STAND WITH MAD MEN

559 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:17:01am

re: #548 FemNaziBitch

China got a new POPRC?

Yes. Sorta.

Officially, yes, Xi Jinping was elected president today. The election is the result of the votes of some 3000 voters - the deputies of the National People’s Congress. The sorta was because it was something of a given due to several elements. The politicking and maneuvering were done months ago.

560 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:17:30am

re: #559 kirkspencer

Yes. Sorta.

Officially, yes, Xi Jinping was elected president today. The election is the result of the votes of some 3000 voters - the deputies of the National People’s Congress. The sorta was because it was something of a given due to several elements. The politicking and maneuvering were done months ago.

ah!

561 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:17:57am

re: #556 dragonath

Yeah, he enforced a prohibition against anti-Nazi pictures, I think, until Confession of a Nazi Spy came out. Harry Warner did more than any other production head in Hollywood to fight fascism.

Interesting. Check this out as well. It relates more to academia but Columbia was and is such a prestigious institution.
en.wikipedia.org

562 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:18:11am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m reading about 1930’s Germany now and a lot of Americans unfortunately felt that the Jews deserved the treatment they were getting in Germany or that the reports of violence were exaggerated. I think a good question to ask someone on the right who claims that the Nazis are on the left is to ask them why so many conservatives in the 1930’s seemed okay with Hitler, Mussolini, and later Franco because of their anti-communism. I’ve read more contemporary reports from 1930’s liberals and leftists(and that includes those damn commies) warning about Nazi Germany. Conservatives nowadays will never admit it but their ideology had a huge tint of ANti-Semitism to it especially in Europe.

Read Beevor’s book on the Spanish Civil War next. It’s frightening to me how much the far right rhetoric echos that of the Falangists and Franco. They didn’t completely stop the extrajudicial homicides of leftists and union organizers until Franco went to hell.

563 Mattand  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:18:51am

re: #539 FemNaziBitch

I wonder what they think of this.

I don’t know. Prior to the election last year, I’d have said he’d be horrified by it. Given the rise of people like Todd Akin in the the GOP, and the willingness of conservative voters to tolerate them, I’m not so sure now.

564 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:19:31am

Actually, I came across some stuff about those Accuracy in Media maniacs last night. They attempted, in connivance with the Reagan White House, a cover up of the Salvadorian El Mozote massacre.

But, you gotta watch out for those islamoenvirofascists.

565 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:19:43am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

Point our fingers at these dictatorships and act like our policies and actions have nothing to do with them. You mentioned the Dirty War last night I believe. The Reagan Administration was a strong supporter of that regime. You even had some like Jesse Helms support them in their war with the UK over the Falklands.

Reagan supported them right up to the Falklands War. Then things changed. But a lot of foot dragging was involved.

566 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:19:50am

re: #562 William Barnett-Lewis

Read Beevor’s book on the Spanish Civil War next. It’s frightening to me how much the far right rhetoric echos that of the Falangists and Franco. They didn’t completely stop the extrajudicial homicides of leftists and union organizers until Franco went to hell.

I’ve read that one. Highly recommended to everyone else here who hasn’t. And I agree with you, the rhetoric is much the same.

567 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:21:51am

re: #563 Mattand

I don’t know. Prior to the election last year, I’d have said he’d be horrified by it. Given the rise of people like Todd Akin in the the GOP, and the willingness of conservative voters to tolerate them, I’m not so sure now.

seeing as how they tolerate bullying and violence against LGBT, I have a feeling they think it’s their duty.

568 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:22:05am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

I’ve read that one. Highly recommended to everyone else here who hasn’t. And I agree with you, the rhetoric is much the same.

linky?

570 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:23:38am
571 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:24:07am

re: #568 FemNaziBitch

linky?

www.amazon.com
Here ya go.

572 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:24:15am

re: #570 Vicious Babushka

Because we don’t want a monarch? or taxes? or government telling MEN what to do?

573 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:24:18am

re: #570 Vicious Babushka

“Don’t Mingle With Me”

574 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:24:41am

SO THAT’S WHERE THEY FIND ALL THE FAKE QUOTES.

575 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:25:02am

re: #574 Vicious Babushka

SO THAT’S WHERE THEY FIND ALL THE FAKE QUOTES.

ROTFLAMO!

576 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:25:15am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m reading about 1930’s Germany now and a lot of Americans unfortunately felt that the Jews deserved the treatment they were getting in Germany or that the reports of violence were exaggerated. I think a good question to ask someone on the right who claims that the Nazis are on the left is to ask them why so many conservatives in the 1930’s seemed okay with Hitler, Mussolini, and later Franco because of their anti-communism. I’ve read more contemporary reports from 1930’s liberals and leftists(and that includes those damn commies) warning about Nazi Germany. Conservatives nowadays will never admit it but their ideology had a huge tint of ANti-Semitism to it especially in Europe.

America was basically Mel Gibson up until the 80s, more or less.

577 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:26:21am

re: #565 Gus

Reagan supported them right up to the Falklands War. Then things changed. But a lot of foot dragging was involved.

I think it’s the fact he did stuff like that throughout Latin and South America why I will never get around the Reagan the hero for democracy. Bull-shit.

578 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:27:38am

re: #571 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Which book are you currently reading about America’s attitude toward the Jews in 1930’s?

579 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:28:24am

I didn’t know about this guy or anything other than the phrase “47%”. I was impressed by his responses during the interview. Direct Link.

I have a Pages post with some other linkys.

580 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:28:57am

re: #578 Bulworth

Thanks. Which book are you currently reading about America’s attitude toward the Jews in 1930’s?

In the Garden of the Beasts, it focuses about the first American ambassador to Nazi Germany, William Dodd. It’s crazy since he actually had a summer home not far from I live.

581 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:29:55am

I’m still trying to get thru Democracy in America, which I think may be a life-long endeavor. “I wont’ die until I finish deToqueville”

And I”ve listened to the first part of the French Revolution. Which I will have to relisten to as I’ve forgotten it all.

Really, really needing my Sci-Fi fix. I have no guilt about it either.

582 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:30:15am

So to recap.

A closer look at these articles reveals what decadence awaits our world, if we sign this document:

1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.

584 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:32:56am

Equal inheritance (between men and women)!

Shocking.

585 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:34:11am

re: #582 Gus

Yeah, seems the same as the Christian Taliban. Which is a greater threat to the U.S?

586 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:35:27am

re: #579 FemNaziBitch

I didn’t know about this guy or anything other than the phrase “47%”. I was impressed by his responses during the interview. Direct Link.

I have a Pages post with some other linkys.

What a cool guy. The kind of intelligent, unassuming person who forms the backbone of our democracy. Real.

587 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:35:38am

re: #585 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, seems the same as the Christian Taliban. Which is a greater threat to the U.S?

I’m not looking at the MB as a threat to the USA. I’m looking at the MB in Egypt as a threat to Egyptian women. That’s my concern.

588 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:36:52am

re: #580 HappyWarrior

In the Garden of the Beasts, it focuses about the first American ambassador to Nazi Germany, William Dodd. It’s crazy since he actually had a summer home not far from I live.

There is a mystery novel “Garden of the Beasts” by Jeffery Deaver, is that the book you are referring to or some other book?

589 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:36:59am

re: #587 Gus

I’m not looking at the MB as a threat to the USA. I’m looking at the MB in Egypt as a threat to Egyptian women. That’s my concern.

Yes, I agree. Yet, the global women’s movement is gaining momentum. I know people scoff at the songs, the protests and videos, but it is all an important step.

Women are watching all over the planet.

590 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:37:26am

re: #588 Vicious Babushka

There is a mystery novel “Garden of the Beasts” by Jeffery Deaver, is that the book you are referring to or some other book?

In the Garden of Good and Evil? That is all I can think of.

591 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:37:43am

re: #588 Vicious Babushka

There is a mystery novel “Garden of the Beasts” by Jeffery Deaver, is that the book you are referring to or some other book?

www.amazon.com

592 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:37:47am

re: #589 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I agree. Yet, the global women’s movement is gaining momentum. I know people scoff at the songs, the protests and videos, but it is all an important step.

Women are watching all over the planet.

As are the menfolk.

593 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:37:49am

DERP

594 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:38:11am

re: #586 dragonath

What a cool guy. The kind of intelligent, unassuming person who forms the backbone of our democracy. Real.

Yes, he was well spoken and sincere. Humble, yet strong. I really enjoyed the interview.

595 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:38:16am

So gross. OMG.

596 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:38:37am

re: #591 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

“Garden of Beasts”=Tiergarten=German word for zoo.

597 Slap  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:38:50am

re: #499 William Barnett-Lewis

Thing is, Uncle Ho looked to America as his model. Had Truman kept FDR’s word and kept the French from going back in after the war, the Vietnamese would have never gone anywhere near the communists - especially the Chinese. There is no love between China and Vietnam - only a history of conquest and oppression.

I think people don’t realize that Uncle Ho actually tried to plead his case for Vietnam’s freedom at the Versailles conference. A pity Wilson got no traction on his “end colonialism” idea, but I guess too many nations needed to keep their source of bodies for their armies.

This is one of many reasons I find that WW1 and its aftermath are the defining event of the last century, bar none. So many problems humanity has faced since then are inextricably tied to those events. Its significance, IMO, is neglected at our peril.

598 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:38:56am

What is it with conservatives thinking liberals are afraid of their ideas? We know your ideas. We know they suck.

599 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:39:20am

re: #595 Lidane

So gross. OMG.

FERTILIZER!! METHANE PRODUCTION?

Why recycle, when you can pollute?

600 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:39:45am

re: #598 HappyWarrior

What is it with conservatives thinking liberals are afraid of their ideas? We know your ideas. We know they suck.

been there, done that, 30 years ago. We’ve moved on.

601 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:40:40am

re: #597 Slap

I think people don’t realize that Uncle Ho actually tried to plead his case for Vietnam’s freedom at the Versailles conference. A pity Wilson got no traction on his “end colonialism” idea, but I guess too many nations needed to keep their source of bodies for their armies.

This is one of many reasons I find that WW1 and its aftermath are the defining event of the last century, bar none. So many problems humanity has faced since then are inextricably tied to those events. Its significance, IMO, is neglected at our peril.

I read David Lloyd George’s Great Granddaughter’s book, Paris 1919 about the conference. That was fascinating. And yeah Wilson for all his problems was ahead of his time in being critical of the colonialism but unfortunately Lloyd George and Clemenceau didn’t want to hear any of it.

602 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:41:10am

Bill Title: As introduced, prohibits public institutions of higher education from disciplining or discriminating against a student in a counseling, social work, or psychology program because the student refuses to counsel or serve a client as to goals, outcomes, or behaviors that conflict with a sincerely held religious belief of the student, if the student refers the client to a counselor who will provide the counseling or services. - Amends TCA Title 4 and Title 49.

603 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:41:43am

I’m sure we talked about that. Passed in the TN Senate on Tuesday.

604 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:42:37am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

I read David Lloyd George’s Great Granddaughter’s book, Paris 1919 about the conference. That was fascinating. And yeah Wilson for all his problems was ahead of his time in being critical of the colonialism but unfortunately Lloyd George and Clemenceau didn’t want to hear any of it.

Versailles Treaty? sounds familiar

605 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:43:53am

re: #604 FemNaziBitch

Versailles Treaty? sounds familiar

Yeah, I think you mentioned you were reading it a whiles back. I thought MacMlillan even if she is a little too sympathetic to great grandpa DLG did a good job covering the aspirations of all the nationalities at the conference.

606 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:44:57am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think you mentioned you were reading it a whiles back. I thought MacMlillan even if she is a little too sympathetic to great grandpa DLG did a good job covering the aspirations of all the nationalities at the conference.

Yes, I did enjoy it. It is, by no means, the only book I would read on the subject, gut I thought it was good.

607 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:45:06am

Just came across this. Note, I’m not endorsing this in any direction.

608 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:45:38am

re: #607 Gus

Just came across this. Note, I’m not endorsing this in any direction.

NOT IF HE WAS THE LAST MAN ON EARTH

609 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:46:07am

re: #3 Gus

The inevitable reaction video to Google killing the Google Reader:

Youtube Video
610 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:46:42am

re: #608 FemNaziBitch

NOT IF HE WAS THE LAST MAN ON EARTH

Last night I was doing some drunk research on the Catholic church’s legacy with fascist dictatorships…

611 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:47:05am

re: #606 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I did enjoy it. It is, by no means, the only book I would read on the subject, gut I thought it was good.

Yeah it’s a good starting point. I kept a lot of my required books for my history classes. Have a really good one that I still need to read all of about the rise and fall of Yugoslavia.

612 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:48:07am

Have you noticed some posters stay primarily in the Pages?

I don’t think it has anything to do with the rain on the plains in Spain.

613 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:48:17am

re: #607 Gus

Just came across this. Note, I’m not endorsing this in any direction.

Eh

614 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:48:41am

re: #611 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s a good starting point. I kept a lot of my required books for my history classes. Have a really good one that I still need to read all of about the rise and fall of Yugoslavia.

linky?

I am really lacking in knowledge of Eastern Europe.

615 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:49:15am

re: #613 dragonath

Eh

I haven’t even read it yet. :D

616 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:50:12am

I need a nap. Dogs wanted to be fed extra early this am. They haven’t realized that Daylight Savings Time is here again.

They don’t care about Daylight.

617 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:50:19am

re: #611 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s a good starting point. I kept a lot of my required books for my history classes. Have a really good one that I still need to read all of about the rise and fall of Yugoslavia.

My required books for the “Holocaust” and “US and the Holocaust” college classes I took in 1985-86 are still around in a box somewhere. Reading about it still pales to having the class addressed by actual survivors. (Who were the parents of one of the local TV newscasters at the time.)

618 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:51:12am
619 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:52:08am
620 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:52:13am

I was an optimist like that once.

621 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:53:35am

re: #614 FemNaziBitch

linky?

I am really lacking in knowledge of Eastern Europe.

Long Live Molvania!

622 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:53:38am

What a fucked up civilization, nation, we’ve become.

623 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:55:54am

re: #622 Gus

We used to call ourselves the Land of the Free while whipping the skin off the backs of black people and shooting American Indians in the face. Now we just imprison a shameful percentage of the black population and try to make it so that a white person committing a crime on American Indian land can’t be tried by a jury of American Indians.

So we’ve made progress.

624 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:55:57am

Well at least LA has rail again.

625 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:56:02am

re: #614 FemNaziBitch

linky?

I am really lacking in knowledge of Eastern Europe.

”. www.amazon.com

626 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:56:14am

GREAT WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE THROW UP AT LUNCH TIME

627 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:56:49am

Ted Cruz looks like an Ed Wood extra.

628 Lidane  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:57:59am
629 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:58:56am

re: #628 Lidane

That sounds like a prediction. You would think he would learn by now.

630 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:59:02am

re: #623 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

We used to call ourselves the Land of the Free while whipping the skin off the backs of black people and shooting American Indians in the face. Now we just imprison a shameful percentage of the black population and try to make it so that a white person committing a crime on American Indian land can’t be tried by a jury of American Indians.

So we’ve made progress.

America is sacrificing everything so that a minute 0.0001% of the population can live as Robber Barons of old could only dream of. And that’s the actual percentage. 400/313,914,040 X 100 = 0.00012742341

631 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:59:25am

That means Dick Morris will probably end up at MSNBC as some kind of anti-oracle

632 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 9:59:37am

Forbes. That also trolls with Alex Jones crap. Weirdos.

633 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:02:10am

Also see: Special interests and Obama’s political advocacy group

Here are four ways lobbyists and corporations can still influence Organizing for Action

634 dragonath  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:02:46am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.cjr.org…]

Also see: Special interests and Obama’s political advocacy group

You’re a special interest

635 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:08:32am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

Also see: Special interests and Obama’s political advocacy group

Obama. Romney. Democrats. Republicans. They’re all the same!

//

636 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:11:22am

re: #635 Gus

Obama. Romney. Democrats. Republicans. They’re all the same!

//

It’s important to know how the machine works.

637 Gus  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:14:37am

re: #636 Killgore Trout

It’s important to know how the machine works.

It’s not “about money” more in that you need money to operate a political organization. Otherwise the only alternative would be to prohibit private funding since any political organization that relied on public funding would be at a disadvantage.

638 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:33:44am

OfA is so issues-oriented and so confined by its 501 rules that I’m looking for an organization with a bit more bite. Jim Messina moved out to start such—Turn Texas Blue.

On the other hand, OfA will teach a bunch of people why Citizens United is a bad idea.


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