2012 Democratic National Convention: Day One, Thread Three, Michelle Obama Edition
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peterb Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:46:32pm |
The freepers are going to go completely (more) nutso over this one.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:47:07pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:47:51pm |
Link for the lazy and/or bewildered
[Link: www.c-span.org...]
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:48:14pm |
re: #4 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Link for the lazy and/or bewildered
[Link: www.c-span.org...]
Could you do me a favor and click on that for me?
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:48:21pm |
re: #3 Mocking Jay
Castro invaded the DNC.
And Deval Patrick nuked Mitt Romney.
Oh, and Kal Penn made an empty chair joke. Hah.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:48:33pm |
re: #1 peterb
The freepers are going to go completely (more) nutso over this one.
Freepers aren't worth the time it takes to say fuckem.
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calochortus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:49:06pm |
I may be stupid, but I can't find any conservative threads on this speech (or the preceding couple of speeches.) Either I'm missing something, or the right wing isn't finding tonight's offerings easy to make fun of.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:49:27pm |
re: #5 Mocking Jay
Could you do me a favor and click on that for me?
Already did. I'm listening to it for you, too.
In return, I ask that you go pee for me, and make me a VERY dry Martini.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:49:36pm |
re: #8 calochortus
I may be stupid, but I can't find any conservative threads on this speech (or the preceding couple of speeches.) Either I'm missing something, or the right wing isn't finding tonight's offerings easy to make fun of.
They're too busy derping on Twitter to blog.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:49:58pm |
re: #8 calochortus
I may be stupid, but I can't find any conservative threads on this speech (or the preceding couple of speeches.) Either I'm missing something, or the right wing isn't finding tonight's offerings easy to make fun of.
Which rocks did you look under?
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calochortus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:50:42pm |
re: #11 b_sharp
Which rocks did you look under?
All the handy ones, RedState, FR, and a couple others. Crickets.
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:50:55pm |
Well, she's certainly kicking Ann Romney's ass.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:50:57pm |
re: #10 Lidane
They're too busy derping on Twitter to blog.
"The sensation you're feeling is the Derpening."
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:51:07pm |
uh ho.. The first lady just kicked the shit out of the GOP.
It's over now Mitt.. Sorry about your luck
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:51:11pm |
re: #12 calochortus
Ahh. And I don't tweet.
I'm ignoring Twitter for now. It's not worth the agita and I'd rather watch the speeches.
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JamesWI Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:51:12pm |
re: #12 calochortus
Ahh. And I don't tweet.
I just think Twitter is pointless. The few people who you would actually care to follow.....have their own websites where they can post everything they want to.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:52:11pm |
re: #14 austin_blue
Well, she's certainly kicking Ann Romney's ass.
Certainly looks a lot more comfortable up there, talking about hubby without worrying about "humanizing" him.
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efuseakay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:52:52pm |
That overlook of the convention center... I was reading in the nutosphere that attedence was going to be so low that they were going to move it to a smaller venue. Guffaw.
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peterb Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:53:11pm |
Pffft. Check out the way the cameraman keeps focusing on the one non-white guy in the audience who keeps very quickly changing gender and appearance, to fool us.
NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:53:23pm |
That's a good point about health care. He took a big risk but it was the right thing to do.
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calochortus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:53:46pm |
re: #19 Lidane
There's a very fine line between proper modest Christian dress and the horror of hijab. It takes an expert to tell the difference. /
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Kragar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:53:55pm |
re: #22 efuseakay
That overlook of the convention center... I was reading in the nutosphere that attndence was going to be so low that they were going to move it to a smaller venue. Guffaw.
Its all photoshopped...
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:54:13pm |
Her speech is the usual... but it is being delivered much better than Ann Romney did with hers.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:54:16pm |
The personal is political. I'm sure there's derp brewing over that idea.
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steve_davis Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:54:41pm |
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peterb Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:54:58pm |
Theme of the evening: the Democrats are going all-in on the gay marriage issue. I'm still not sure if it's a winner or a loser for them, but they get credit for swinging for the fences.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:55:33pm |
re: #36 peterb
Theme of the evening: the Democrats are going all-in on the gay marriage issue. I'm still not sure if it's a winner or a loser for them, but they get credit for swinging for the fences.
It's the right thing to do. History will judge them favorably for doing so.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:55:43pm |
That was aimed right at Mitt Romney's heart...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:55:48pm |
Republicans can only dream of having a moment like this.
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Mich-again Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:56:17pm |
re: #8 calochortus
I may be stupid, but I can't find any conservative threads on this speech (or the preceding couple of speeches.) Either I'm missing something, or the right wing isn't finding tonight's offerings easy to make fun of.
Is Honey Boo Boo on another channel?
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efuseakay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:56:25pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:56:34pm |
re: #41 Charles Johnson
Republicans can only dream of having a moment like this.
Too bad they have to waste time trying to get women to think they "love" them.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:56:42pm |
re: #41 Charles Johnson
Republicans can only dream of having a moment like this.
Ann made it sound like Mitt was running for "First Husband".
The difference here is that Michelle is touching on policy points without having to harp on them.
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JamesWI Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:56:51pm |
re: #36 peterb
Theme of the evening: the Democrats are going all-in on the gay marriage issue. I'm still not sure if it's a winner or a loser for them, but they get credit for swinging for the fences.
If that's the "theme of the evening" you've got from these speeches, I don't think you have been paying attention. The theme was that everyone deserves the same opportunities, regardless of who they are, what they look like....or what their sexual orientation is.
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diamonda2u Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:56:53pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:57:23pm |
Note to the Romney campaign, this is humanizing a candidate.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:04pm |
re: #18 JamesWI
I just think Twitter is pointless. The few people who you would actually care to follow.....have their own websites where they can post everything they want to.
For the longest time, I considered Twitter about the stupidest thing ever invented. Now that I've figured it out, it's the only "social media" thing I bother with. I use it strictly for the lulz, but it turns out that I was completely wrong about Twitter.
That said, I will never use "tweet" as a verb.
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:11pm |
Do Democrats think women are helpless?
Hoo boy. You take something for free you're helpless.
I'll let Ms Fluke speak for my wife.
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diamonda2u Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:20pm |
RMoney could only wish four a base that actually wants him to succeed (as opposed to the one he has that just wants to beat the other guy, they don't care with who or what)
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:40pm |
Mitt got his ass kicked by the First Lady..
Who saw that coming?
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:43pm |
re: #49 HappyWarrior
Note to the Romney campaign, this is humanizing a candidate.
Pro tip: The candidate has to be demonstrably human first. ;)
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Kragar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:43pm |
The Derpening...
There is nowhere in the Bible where a husband is commanded to make his wife submit. That's between her and God.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 5, 2012
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peterb Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:46pm |
re: #37 HappyWarrior
It's the right thing to do. History will judge them favorably for doing so.
That's clear. I just meant that it's less clear how this plays for them in the short term. But, I imagine the calculus is along the lines of "The bigots aren't going to vote for Obama anyway."
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:58:58pm |
Michelle Obama'a speech can only be called disastrous.She forgot to tell women she loves them #DNC2012
— Jack Kimble (@RepJackKimble) September 5, 2012
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:59:04pm |
re: #8 calochortus
I may be stupid, but I can't find any conservative threads on this speech (or the preceding couple of speeches.) Either I'm missing something, or the right wing isn't finding tonight's offerings easy to make fun of.
Well, the HotWingnuts thread is now up to over 1200 comments.
Glenn Beck's outlet has a much fewer commented article:
[Link: www.theblaze.com...]
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:59:23pm |
re: #55 Kragar
The Derpening...
[Embedded content]
Voluntary submission to God.
Funny, I'm sure there's another word for that. Give me a sec, I'll think of it...
//
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thecommodore Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:59:32pm |
re: #1 peterb
The freepers are going to go completely (more) nutso over this one.
It'll be more than Freepers going (more) nutso. I shudder at what commenters at Breitbart and/or The Daily Caller are saying.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:59:51pm |
re: #52 diamonda2u
RMoney could only wish four a base that actually wants him to succeed (as opposed to the one he has that just wants to beat the other guy, they don't care with who or what)
This is the big difference. Romney only really has Obama hatred driving his campaign vehicle. Obama's campaign has actual support driving it.
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diamonda2u Tue, Sep 4, 2012 7:59:55pm |
re: #53 Digital Display
Mitt got his ass kicked by the First Lady..
Who saw that coming?
They literally made it easy. I mean, based on the stances they have decided to take, she couldn't really avoid it if she tried, without being disingenuous.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:00:18pm |
re: #59 Targetpractice
Voluntary submission to God.
Funny, I'm sure there's another word for that. Give me a sec, I'll think of it...
//
That is between her and God, with the husband there to see about God's will apparently.
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Mich-again Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:00:26pm |
re: #50 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
That said, I will never use "tweet" as a verb.
I tweeted something like that once.
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:00:50pm |
Some of those ladies are positively humming with pride.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:01:13pm |
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ElCapitanAmerica Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:01:27pm |
President Obama and his daughters, Malia and Sasha, watch on television the First Lady's speech to the DNC tonight: bit.ly/TWHmmE— petesouza (@petesouza) September 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:01:40pm |
Shit. I already forget about that Castro guy.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:01:48pm |
re: #59 Targetpractice
Voluntary submission to God.
Funny, I'm sure there's another word for that. Give me a sec, I'll think of it...
//
Heh.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:02:03pm |
re: #49 HappyWarrior
Note to the Romney campaign, this is humanizing a candidate.
Mitt, like all Tyrell Corporation products in the Nexus line, is More Human than the Human.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:02:17pm |
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calochortus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:02:25pm |
re: #58 freetoken
Yeah, I finally found some on Townhall too, but they were really boring. I was hoping for explosions of derp.
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:02:47pm |
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:02:52pm |
Man, the wingnuts must be apoplectic at this speech. Michelle Obama is giving a barn burner here.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:03:04pm |
One cannot humanize that which is not human.
Mitt's a T-1000 -- a poly-mimetic alloy.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:03:17pm |
re: #74 calochortus
They could be suffocating under their own ugliness.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:03:31pm |
This is probably one of the best speeches I've heard by a first lady. Why a woman with such a fine vision is so loathed by some is just sad to me.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:04:20pm |
re: #79 HappyWarrior
This is probably one of the best speeches I've heard by a first lady. Why a woman with such a fine vision is so loathed by some is just sad to me.
The sheriff is near.
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calochortus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:04:23pm |
re: #79 HappyWarrior
This is probably one of the best speeches I've heard by a first lady. Why a woman with such a fine vision is so loathed by some is just sad to me.
She "doesn't look like a first lady." Translation: She's Black.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:04:26pm |
re: #74 calochortus
Yeah, I finally found some on Townhall too, but they were really boring. I was hoping for explosions of derp.
Freep is routine invective, nothing operatic.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:04:30pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:04:58pm |
Gonna be hard to decide which was the best speech tonight. All of them had serious fire to them.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:05:01pm |
re: #82 calochortus
She "doesn't look like a first lady." Translation: She's Black.
She's a very attractive woman in many ways.
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calochortus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:05:29pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:06:02pm |
She should have said "Barack Hussein Obama" just to cause an epidemic of strokes and heart attacks. Think of all the medical jobs she could have created.
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diamonda2u Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:06:48pm |
re: #91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
She should have said "Barack Hussein Obama" just to cause an epidemic of strokes and heart attacks. Think of all the medical jobs she could have created.
I was strangely thinking the same thing... throw it in the nuts face... and then ad... "and he IS the President of the United States"...
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:07:05pm |
A woman giving a benediction?
Is that allowed?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:07:29pm |
I suddenly feel sorry for that sad and pathetic thing the Republicans did last week.
— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) September 5, 2012
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gwangung Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:07:39pm |
re: #93 freetoken
A woman giving a benediction?
Is that allowed?
If it gives right wingers aneurysms, yes.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:07:56pm |
re: #93 freetoken
A woman giving a benediction?
Is that allowed?
No. That's why it's a bene-dick-tion.
/
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:08:56pm |
See, this is the difference in tone between the two parties.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:09:17pm |
Love fresh figs.
There, that is my benediction.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:09:24pm |
re: #94 Mocking Jay
[Embedded content]
Hate and lies.
It was pathetic, but I don't feel sorry for them.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:09:26pm |
She's echoing what Obama talked about in 2004 and it's the damned truth.
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nines09 Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:09:50pm |
I believe I just saw more class in our First Lady than I saw in an entire Republican Party last week. That's going to leave a mark. A deep one.
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:09:57pm |
She prayed for Mitt Romney. She has been witness to Bush's work in Africa. Wonderful benediction.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:10:00pm |
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thecommodore Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:10:42pm |
That was a great speech. Michelle Obama was the inverse of what wingnuts see her as - poised, passionate, beautiful, and elegant.
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thecommodore Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:10:55pm |
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efuseakay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:11:06pm |
re: #77 OhNoZombies!
One cannot humanize that which is not human.
Mitt's a T-1000 -- a poly-mimetic alloy.
A retroactive poly-mimetic alloy.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:11:15pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:11:32pm |
I'm not a religious man but this is a nice benediction and the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi is a beautiful one.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:11:36pm |
lol that guy is a character out of a Scorsese film.
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:12:05pm |
re: #106 Gus
I forgive Erick Erickson.
My plan really works great for me. I feel great being able to say that. ;)
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RadicalModerate Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:12:37pm |
You know, the Romney/Ryan camp has to be collectively crapping their pants right now. They had three absolutely extraordinary quality speeches tonight.
And this was just the first night.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:12:47pm |
Whoever's producing this convention is doing pretty good so far. It's like they're saying to the GOP, "You can have the elderly white male vote. We'll take everyone else."
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:12:53pm |
re: #99 HappyWarrior
See, this is the difference in tone between the two parties.
Again, the major difference is sincerity.
The RNC was a weird amalgam of distilled cognitive dissonance, lies of omission & commission, religious bigotry, barely concealed racial animus and the congealed blood of Jesus.
The DNC (so far) is just people telling the truth.
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:12:54pm |
11:00pm, eastern. "Enjoy the great city of Charlotte, tonight." It is a pretty town.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:12:58pm |
Dems just wrapped up night one, and where are our local news channels conducting interviews? At RNC headquarters in NC.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:13pm |
Hell of a first night. If they can maintain this level of enthusiasm through to the end, I think a real bounce in the polls is likely.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:17pm |
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
Again, the major difference is sincerity.
The RNC was a weird amalgam of distilled cognitive dissonance, lies of omission & commission, religious bigotry, barely concealed racial animus and the congealed blood of Jesus.
The DNC (so far) is just people telling the truth.
No doubt about that, Frank.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:19pm |
re: #106 Gus
I forgive Erick Erickson.
I hope he comes to the realization that what he thought was going to be some kind of girly convention lowered the damn boom on Romney in record time.
And I hope it really, really bothers him.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:35pm |
re: #79 HappyWarrior
This is probably one of the best speeches I've heard by a first lady. Why a woman with such a fine vision is so loathed by some is just sad to me.
My own mom tries to tell me how the First Lady hates America.
She and the other Faux News fans hate an illusion. They hate a fictitious construct that has been sold to them.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:36pm |
re: #112 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
lol that guy is a character out of a Scorsese film.
LOL, I had the same thought as soon as I heard his voice. Even the walk, the suit, everything.
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Tigger2 Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:42pm |
Damn can't wait for tomorrow night, tonight was great.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:13:58pm |
I think it's fair to say that the United States took one more step towards 1,000 years of darkness tonight.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:14:00pm |
Eager to see the Republican spin. Dancing in the Street, good song to close out with. What a night.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:14:06pm |
let's try this again
Pres. Obama and First Daughters watch as Michelle Obama delivers her #DNC2012 speech. twitter.com/utaustinlibera...— utaustinliberal (@utaustinliberal) September 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:14:13pm |
re: #125 Mocking Jay
I think it's fair to say that the United States took one more step towards 1,000 years of darkness tonight.
Haha fuck you Chuck Norris.
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steve_davis Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:14:39pm |
I think the most powerful moment for me was when she said that parents were thinking to themselves even if their lives couldn't be better, they wanted to make life better for their children, and the camera caught several people actually completing the sentence for her while nodding their heads. She hit something archetypal there, and archetypal stuff goes right down into the core and resonates.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:15:04pm |
re: #119 Targetpractice
Hell of a first night. If they can maintain this level of enthusiasm through to the end, I think a real bounce in the polls is likely.
In time we'll say that Mitt Romney received a post-convention flounce.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:15:31pm |
re: #122 celticdragon
My own mom tries to tell me how the First Lady hates America.
She and the other Faux News fans hate an illusion. They hate a fictitious construct that has been sold to them.
Therein lies the tragedy. If they only actually saw what Mrs. Obama and the president actually say. I think some of that hate would rub off but people like that are so convinced thanks to Fox News and others that the Obamas are hateful people.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:15:33pm |
re: #122 celticdragon
My own mom tries to tell me how the First Lady hates America.
She and the other Faux News fans hate an illusion. They hate a fictitious construct that has been sold to them.
Like... an empty chair?
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:16:33pm |
re: #117 prairiefire
11:00pm, eastern. "Enjoy the great city of Charlotte, tonight." It is a pretty town.
I flew in and out of there once..Nice
11:00 pm.. If I was a delegate tonight in Charlotte I'd party all night long. The Dems just kicked the GOP's ass the first night.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:16:50pm |
re: #125 Mocking Jay
I think it's fair to say that the United States took one more step towards 1,000 years of darkness tonight.
I'm good with that as long as we get hover cars and punk fashions from Blade Runner...
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:16:54pm |
re: #122 celticdragon
My own mom tries to tell me how the First Lady hates America.
She and the other Faux News fans hate an illusion. They hate a fictitious construct that has been sold to them.
This is worth repeating:
"I could never wrap my head around why the world and the President that Republicans describe bears so little resemblance to the world and the President that I experience, and now I know why.
There is a President Obama that only Republicans can see."
Jon Stewart
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:16:54pm |
re: #129 steve_davis
I think the most powerful moment for me was when she said that parents were thinking to themselves even if their lives couldn't be better, they wanted to make life better for their children, and the camera caught several people actually completing the sentence for her while nodding their heads. She hit something archetypal there, and archetypal stuff goes right down into the core and resonates.
I thought about my mom's parents. Mom's dad was a bricklayer and her mom was a government secretary. Mom? She and her brother became the first in the family to get college degrees and my mom's been rising through the ranks of the federal government for the last 30 years. OF course, Mitt Romney would tell my mom she doesn't have a "real job." But hey here am I a recent degree owner myself.
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Tigger2 Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:17:38pm |
re: #131 HappyWarrior
Therein lies the tragedy. If they only actually saw what Mrs. Obama and the president actually say. I think some of that hate would rub off but people like that are so convinced thanks to Fox News and others that the Obamas are hateful people.
If you find a clip email it to her.
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CarleeCork Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:18:03pm |
re: #122 celticdragon
My own mom tries to tell me how the First Lady hates America.
She and the other Faux News fans hate an illusion. They hate a fictitious construct that has been sold to them.
It's called ignorance.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:18:44pm |
re: #132 Mocking Jay
Like... an empty chair?
I bet my folks just loved that bit from Clint. I'm sure they will tell me all about how he kicked Obama's ass on live tv when they come to visit next month.
I can hardly wait...
/
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:18:54pm |
Classic. Some delegates actually voted no on the motion to adjourn until tomorrow.
— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) September 5, 2012
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CarleeCork Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:19:52pm |
re: #131 HappyWarrior
Therein lies the tragedy. If they only actually saw what Mrs. Obama and the president actually say. I think some of that hate would rub off but people like that are so convinced thanks to Fox News and others that the Obamas are hateful people.
What "they" see is FAUX News and their edited videos.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:20:03pm |
re: #134 celticdragon
I'm good with that as long as we get hover cars and punk fashions from Blade Runner...
You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
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steve_davis Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:20:30pm |
re: #111 HappyWarrior
I'm not a religious man but this is a nice benediction and the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi is a beautiful one.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
That's a rosary prayer of mine, though I'm Anglican, so I have to go through it clockwise. If I go through it counter-clockwise, there's a chance I'll meet Pope Benedict in a Pater bead somewhere and the world will come to an end.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:21:03pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:21:10pm |
re: #143 steve_davis
That's a rosary prayer of mine, though I'm Anglican, so I have to go through it clockwise. If I go through it counter-clockwise, there's a chance I'll meet Pope Benedict in a Pater bead somewhere and the world will come to an end.
I saw parts of it from the time even though I'm really not religious but the message is a universal one.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:21:41pm |
re: #139 celticdragon
I bet my folks just loved that bit from Clint. I'm sure they will tell me all about how he kicked Obama's ass on live tv when they come to visit next month.
I can hardly wait...
/
At this point, I'm beginning to dread the idea of going back for Thanksgiving if Obama wins a second term. It was actually a shock to my grandmother when I admitted to supporting him and was warned not to say as much around town.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:21:41pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:23:10pm |
re: #145 Gus
C-Span callers.
I love C-Span. The only people compelled to call in are invariably drunk and/or crazy.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:23:55pm |
Heh what are the callers saying? Sorry, listening to music, it's been a really good night between baseball and a nice first night at the DNC.
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:24:34pm |
Adios, all! Sweet scaly dreams.
Meesh kicked butt.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:24:36pm |
re: #142 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
Do you know what a turtle is, Leon? Same thing...
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:24:38pm |
Julian Castro is speaking. 8 yrs after young Hussein Obama spoke. Next convention I think the breakout speaker will be Esperanza Hitler-Borg
— hodgman (@hodgman) September 5, 2012
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:24:51pm |
re: #127 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
What a moment for them. I have some pretty cool memories of times with dad watching mom do something nice. But nothing like that, on all kinds of levels. Those girls get to carry this magnificent minute the rest of their lives. High five girls.
(Hey Dad ((okay Mr President to me)) this might be the coolest moment in your life, kudos and yes you get my vote)
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:25:56pm |
re: #153 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
I love C-Span. The only people compelled to call in are invariably drunk and/or crazy.
UFOs. Fluoride. They have C-Span on "speed dial."
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:26:22pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:26:59pm |
re: #111 HappyWarrior
I'm not a religious man but this is a nice benediction and the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi is a beautiful one.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
We all take wisdom wherever we can find it.
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dragonath Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:27:35pm |
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
Again, the major difference is sincerity.
The RNC was a weird amalgam of distilled cognitive dissonance, lies of omission & commission, religious bigotry, barely concealed racial animus and the congealed blood of Jesus.
The DNC (so far) is just people telling the truth.
This. I wish, for Ann Romney's sake, she could have come out candidly and admitted that as a young couple she and Mitt were financially secure. Instead she chose to obfuscate their own history.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:27:45pm |
re: #161 Daniel Ballard
We all take wisdom wherever we can find it.
Yep. Whole thing I got out of the woman giving the benediction was that we're all in this(this being life) together.
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:28:39pm |
#FLOTUS youtube.com/watch?v=5HlaiR...— Gus (@Gus_802) September 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:29:05pm |
Whoa.
RT @gov The end @michelleobama's speech drove a higher Tweets-per-minute peak than @mittromney's at #GOP2012. 28,003 vs. 14,289 for the Gov.
— Alex Ogle (@Alex_Ogle) September 5, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:29:55pm |
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Tigger2 Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:29:59pm |
re: #162 dragonath
This. I wish, for Ann Romney's sake, she could have come out candidly and admitted that as a young couple she and Mitt were financially secure. Instead she chose to obfuscate their own history.
I agree they had no worries if they had really had to go through tough times Mitts dad would have bailed them out.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:30:45pm |
re: #167 Mocking Jay
Whoa.
I think more people were tweeting about and reacting to Clint Eastwood when Mitt Romney was speaking.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:30:57pm |
re: #167 Mocking Jay
Whoa.
[Embedded content]
There's going to be more of that. Clinton's up tomorrow. And of course when Obama himself speaks.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:31:36pm |
re: #169 Tigger2
I agree they had no worries if they had really had to go through tough times Mitts dad would have bailed them out.
They were never in a situation where they were far from help if needed. The whole bit about them living in a basement apartment is cute, but it ignores the reality that it was temporary until their families bought them a house.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:31:42pm |
GOP convention
I know, I've linked to this before.
But it's a classic.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:32:09pm |
Watching Castro's speech now because I was watching baseball earlier.
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:32:36pm |
With his Tweets per minute peak at 11,503, @juliancastro drove more conversation than any #GOP2012 speaker than @mittromney.— Twitter Government (@gov) September 5, 2012
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:32:52pm |
BREAKING: #DNC2012 and related terms have just surpassed 2.1 million tweets.— Twitter Government (@gov) September 5, 2012
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:32:59pm |
re: #171 HappyWarrior
There's going to be more of that. Clinton's up tomorrow. And of course when Obama himself speaks.
Oh yeah. Mitt got overshadowed in his big moment by Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair, and it's only going to get worse for him now as the week goes on.
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:33:11pm |
The end @michelleobama's speech drove a higher Tweets-per-minute peak than @mittromney's at #GOP2012. 28,003 vs. 14,289 for the Gov.— Twitter Government (@gov) September 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:33:20pm |
re: #179 Lidane
Oh yeah. Mitt got overshadowed in his big moment by Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair, and it's only going to get worse for him now as the week goes on.
Yep keeps on piling and piling.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:33:55pm |
i got home in time to cry when michelle made her terrific speech. i guess i needed some catharsis. apparently i missed a coupla other barnburners
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:34:05pm |
re: #176 HappyWarrior
Watching Castro's speech now because I was watching baseball earlier.
It's an awesome speech. He's going to be remembered, and he's going to go far.
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blueraven Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:34:25pm |
Awesome night for the dems. They know how to throw a convention.
Deval Patrick
Julian Castro
Michelle Obama
Incredible speeches!
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:34:32pm |
I want to be like Michelle Obama when I grow up. #dnc2012— Dr. Jill Biden (@JillBidenVeep) September 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:34:36pm |
Mitt Romney is going to wake up tomorrow morning with his first hangover.
— Jon Lovett (@jonlovett) September 5, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:34:38pm |
re: #179 Lidane
Oh yeah. Mitt got overshadowed in his big moment by Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair, and it's only going to get worse for him now as the week goes on.
Even without Clint, the big moment of the convention had been Paul Rand's lie-a-thon the night prior. I don't think anybody's under any illusion that folks were there to hear Willard talk.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:34:42pm |
re: #183 Lidane
It's an awesome speech. He's going to be remembered, and he's going to go far.
Yeah, I'm becoming a fan. He's talking about his grandmother now.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:35:13pm |
re: #184 blueraven
Awesome night for the dems. They know how to throw a convention.
Deval Patrick
Julian Castro
Michelle ObamaIncredible speeches!
My favorite political par-tay.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:35:47pm |
re: #184 blueraven
Awesome night for the dems. They know how to throw a convention.
Deval Patrick
Julian Castro
Michelle ObamaIncredible speeches!
Strickland was brutal too. He was merciless in going after Romney tonight, and that was before Deval Patrick told the Dems to get a spine.
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blueraven Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:36:32pm |
re: #190 Lidane
Strickland was brutal too. He was merciless in going after Romney tonight, and that was before Deval Patrick told the Dems to get a spine.
Lilly too!
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RadicalModerate Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:37:08pm |
Leno might be interesting to watch tonight.
Ron Paul is going to be there, and has said that he has a big announcement coming - one rumor going around is that he may be leaving the Republican Party to join Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Party ticket.
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:37:15pm |
re: #176 HappyWarrior
Watching Castro's speech now because I was watching baseball earlier.
Watch his little three year old girl when she sees the camera on herself. So funny. I see a mini Selena.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:39:07pm |
re: #193 prairiefire
Watch his little three year old girl when she sees the camera on her. So funny. I see a mini Selena.
Cool, I'll keep an eye out. I really like this guy. Really, this is a wonderful speech. What a perfect choice for the keynote. This is why I'm happy ot support the Democrats over the Republicans.
Julian Castro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Christie(and I would use more inequality signs but I want some sleep tonight too)
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:39:19pm |
re: #192 RadicalModerate
Leno might be interesting to watch tonight.
Ron Paul is going to be there, and has said that he has a big announcement coming - one rumor going around is that he may be leaving the Republican Party to join Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Party ticket.
If true, Willard might as well start writing his concession speech. Because the base will abandon his ass overnight.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:40:16pm |
re: #192 RadicalModerate
Leno might be interesting to watch tonight.
Ron Paul is going to be there, and has said that he has a big announcement coming - one rumor going around is that he may be leaving the Republican Party to join Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Party ticket.
Yeah I heard about that. Mitt's summer keeps on getting worse.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:41:42pm |
The kids, the family: that's the focus of this convention.
That's where the fire comes from.
We move forward for them.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:42:31pm |
Haha the way Castro handled the Mitt Romney says on health care hilariously.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:43:03pm |
re: #149 Targetpractice
At this point, I'm beginning to dread the idea of going back for Thanksgiving if Obama wins a second term. It was actually a shock to my grandmother when I admitted to supporting him and was warned not to say as much around town.
I have severely dreaded Thanksgiving every year since 2008. Invariably, I'm guilt-tripped into spending a day immersed in people I barely know, almost all of whom can be relied upon to somehow relate every possible topic of conversation to SOMETHING RUSH SAID THE OTHER DAY.
I have a cousin with a PhD in physics who married some jackass whose entire worldview begins and ends with Alex Jones. My brother can't shut up about how environmental regulations are ruining everything. My sister in-law is pissed off that Obama is going to take her tungsten light bulbs away as the first step along the road to tyranny (FIRST, THEY CAME FOR THE TUNGSTEN LIGHT BULBS, BUT I DID NOT SPEAK UP BECAUSE I WAS NOT A TUNGSTEN LIGHT BULB!). My nephew has never experienced a moment of adversity in his life, and sincerely believes that physical illness is a character flaw (he would have got on famously with my dad who believed the same thing, and as such died unnecessarily at age 63 from complications of an illness that's easily managed by everyone who doesn't believe that MANLY BOOT-STRAPS are a viable alternative to well-established medical treatment).
GAH!
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steve_davis Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:43:23pm |
re: #192 RadicalModerate
Leno might be interesting to watch tonight.
Ron Paul is going to be there, and has said that he has a big announcement coming - one rumor going around is that he may be leaving the Republican Party to join Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Party ticket.
Good for him. Now, if only that can be important in a state that Obama now wins because the ripest fruit in the Republican basket votes for the duo. Funnily enough, things are bad enough for Republicans to where I'm not sure splitting off Republicans will even matter. Things are tight in North Carolina, so maybe it would help there. I think Florida will go heavily Obama once senior citizens there realize Paul Ryan owns controlling interest in Soylent Green, Inc.
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Mich-again Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:43:30pm |
The DNC opens and NASA releases this image.
http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/09/04/filament_eruption_large.jpg
They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
Acts 2:3
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:44:22pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:44:24pm |
Has Gary Johnson been formally nominated for president by the LP yet?
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Robert O. Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:46:39pm |
Admittedly, I watched none of the RNC, and have no time to watch any of the DNC either. Hope the DNC turns out good. I do follow the polls, and it appears Romney has gotten no bounce (between 0 and 2%) from the RNC. This is not unexpected - to get a bounce, you need to have genuine undecided people who are open to be swayed. With the ideological division and hyper-partisanship, there are few such genuine undecideds. Big bounces have tended to be a thing of the past. But I certainly hope Obama will get a slightly "bigger bounce" from the DNC than Romney did, although realistically, I don't expect much as ~nothing~ has moved the needle since last year.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:46:52pm |
re: #204 steve_davis
Good for him. Now, if only that can be important in a state that Obama now wins because the ripest fruit in the Republican basket votes for the duo. Funnily enough, things are bad enough for Republicans to where I'm not sure splitting off Republicans will even matter. Things are tight in North Carolina, so maybe it would help there. I think Florida will go heavily Obama once senior citizens there realize Paul Ryan owns controlling interest in Soylent Green, Inc.
As it stands right now, there's a lot of "independents" and reluctant Republicans who are bemoaning the fact that Crazy Uncle Liberty didn't win the nomination and voting Romney because they hate Obama with a passion. If Luap Nor jumped onto the Libertarian ticket, the base would hollow out virtually overnight.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:47:03pm |
re: #159 Gus
UFOs. Fluoride. They have C-Span on "speed dial."
Do you know why I only drink distilled water, or rain water, and pure grain alcohol, Mandrake?
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:47:08pm |
re: #205 Mich-again
The DNC opens and NASA releases this image.
http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/09/04/filament_eruption_large.jpg
Awesome, Acts, chapter 2.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:48:01pm |
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andres Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:48:40pm |
I didn't watch the DNC tonight, but some people on my FB followed it. One thing that won't make news anywhere but in Puerto Rico:
Lornna Soto (PNP, State Senator for the party in power) was sitting with Pedro Pierluisi (PNP, incumbent Resident Commissioner) and Rafael Cox-Alomar (PPD, challenger for the Resident Commissioner position) on the DNC. Pierluisi had to leave the table. The journalists for Spanish networks went to their table, and Cox-Alomar got all the interviews.
Soto whined on the table that Pierluisi had just left, and the "monkey" (referring to Cox-Alomar) got all the interviews. I'm ashamed for this State Senator, despite not being from my region nor from my "party".
And we need to clean the house here too.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:49:25pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:49:37pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:50:20pm |
Okay, wrapping up Castro's speech now. What a home run. I'm impressed.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:51:32pm |
re: #142 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
Because the turtle deserves it.
//Paul Ryan
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:52:15pm |
re: #206 makeitstop
Classic non-apology. Typical Barbour.
We should probably just tell Barbour that it's OK to use the n-word.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:53:39pm |
re: #221 Gus
We should probably just tell Barbour that it's OK to use the n-word.
I've seriously given thought to letting people like this just get it out of their system.
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Mattand Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:53:55pm |
re: #203 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
I have severely dreaded Thanksgiving every year since 2008. Invariably, I'm guilt-tripped into spending a day immersed in people I barely know, almost all of whom can be relied upon to somehow relate every possible topic of conversation to SOMETHING RUSH SAID THE OTHER DAY.
I have a cousin with a PhD in physics who married some jackass whose entire worldview begins and ends with Alex Jones. My brother can't shut up about how environmental regulations are ruining everything. My sister in-law is pissed off that Obama is going to take her tungsten light bulbs away as the first step along the road to tyranny (FIRST, THEY CAME FOR THE TUNGSTEN LIGHT BULBS, BUT I DID NOT SPEAK UP BECAUSE I WAS NOT A TUNGSTEN LIGHT BULB!). My nephew has never experienced a moment of adversity in his life, and sincerely believes that physical illness is a character flaw (he would have got on famously with my dad who believed the same thing, and as such died unnecessarily at age 63 from complications of an illness that's easily managed by everyone who doesn't believe that MANLY BOOT-STRAPS are a viable alternative to well-established medical treatment).
GAH!
I had to LOL at your post, but with you and not at you. While my Thanksgiving won't be as migraine-inducing as yours, it will be spent in an active retirement community in SC, with seniors who literally watch and believe Fox News 9 hours a day.
I get the joy of dealing with my GFs mom, who has been getting her own way since she was, oh, let's say a zygote. Whichever way the election goes, it's not going to be fun.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:54:02pm |
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Sophia77 Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:55:20pm |
Well, most of this thread doesn't seem to be about Michelle Obama but I'll just say she blew me away.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:56:26pm |
re: #221 Gus
We should probably just tell Barbour that it's OK to use the n-word.
Oh, I'm sure he does already.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:58:03pm |
my mom won't stop talking about how michelle shouldn't have worn a sleeveless dress
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dragonath Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:59:52pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:00:05pm |
re: #229 SpaceJesus
"jackie wouldn't have done that. never"
And the Queen would never wear a hoodie..
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:00:32pm |
re: #228 SpaceJesus
my mom won't stop talking about how michelle shouldn't have worn a sleeveless dress
Tell her the day that Michelle develops granny arms she will stop. But when you're nearly 50 and have a better body than the average 25 year old you want people to know.
PBO looks at MO like a fat kid looks at a piece of cake and that's all that matters.
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Mich-again Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:01:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:03:53pm |
re: #228 SpaceJesus
my mom won't stop talking about how michelle shouldn't have worn a sleeveless dress
I think it's a silly look on a woman in her late forties, and too informal for the event.
That said, she has got the arms for it, (my God, she's got the arms for it), and it riles up people I don't mind being riled up, so wear the hell out of that sleeveless dress Michelle.
Which she did.
The color was perfect, too. Sometimes she likes things that are a little too frou-frou in my opinion, for a woman who's five-eleven. This was perfect. Feminine, not too fluffy, and incredibly becoming.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:04:35pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:04:36pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:04:48pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:04:49pm |
re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's a silly look on a woman in her late forties, and too informal for the event.
it's the informality that is bothering mama spacejesus
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:05:26pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:07:39pm |
re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's a silly look on a woman in her late forties, and too informal for the event.
That said, she has got the arms for it, (my God, she's got the arms for it), and it riles up people I don't mind being riled up, so wear the hell out of that sleeveless dress Michelle.
Which she did.
The color was perfect, too. Sometimes she likes things that are a little too frou-frou in my opinion, for a woman who's five-eleven. This was perfect. Feminine, not too fluffy, and incredibly becoming.
My favorite fun FLOTUS fact: Michelle is tied with Eleanor Roosevelt for tallest First Lady. (With all due respect to Eleanor, Michelle is a lot hotter, though.)
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sagehen Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:07:42pm |
re: #228 SpaceJesus
my mom won't stop talking about how michelle shouldn't have worn a sleeveless dress
but.but.but... the right to bare arms!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:08:18pm |
re: #240 SpaceJesus
it's the informality that is bothering mama spacejesus
But the wingnut heads explode every time Michelle's biceps are visible!
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:09:22pm |
I didn't watch the speech, but I just saw a still of the First Lady over at TPM.
You're right, SFZ. That color looks amazing on her.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:10:02pm |
I guess the sleeveless thing is generational. I really don't see what the big deal is. People act as if Michelle was flashing her thighs. They are just arms. Awesome arms. It's like the Victorian era when it was outrageous for a woman to show her ankles.
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Interesting Times Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:10:47pm |
Body language and intent. twitter.com/TruthGuy/statu...— Progressive Thinking (@TruthGuy) September 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:12:11pm |
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:12:25pm |
re: #228 SpaceJesus
my mom won't stop talking about how michelle shouldn't have worn a sleeveless dress
What? Mary still wears dresses after 2000 years?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:16:46pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:17:00pm |
re: #251 freetoken
Ann pointed at us quite a bit.
The difference in attitudes was Ann basically going "My husband's a great man and you should know that," while Michelle is declaring "Everybody knows how great a man my husband is."
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:17:47pm |
re: #253 Targetpractice
The difference in attitudes was Ann basically going "My husband's a great man and you people should know that," while Michelle is declaring "Everybody knows how great a man my husband is."
Fixed.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:18:30pm |
re: #252 Mocking Jay
Top story on memeorandum?
Exclusive: Democrats Drop 'God' From Party Platform
Jesus...
It's David Brody. What do you expect?
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SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:18:33pm |
re: #250 freetoken
sleeveless ones too. she's been doing jazzercise
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:19:11pm |
HA HA HA! HAHAHA! THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.
Ummm ... can everyone go look at the headline on this video?oy politico.com/multimedia/vid…
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 5, 2012
Fuck you, Politico. Seriously.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:20:56pm |
re: #253 Targetpractice
The difference in attitudes was Ann basically going "My husband's a great man and you should know that," while Michelle is declaring "Everybody knows how great a man my husband is."
Michelle's body language says inclusion. Her hands draw you in.
Ann's language is authoritarian. Like she's scolding children.
To my eyes anyway.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:21:18pm |
re: #258 Mocking Jay
Okay, they fixed it, I think. It was pointing to Deval Patrick's speech.
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Gus Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:21:29pm |
re: #258 Mocking Jay
HA HA HA! HAHAHA! THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.
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Fuck you, Politico. Seriously.
Always remember. Politico is a "men's group." True story. #p2 #tlot— Gus (@Gus_802) September 5, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:22:12pm |
re: #259 OhNoZombies!
Michelle's body language says inclusion. Her hands draw you in.
Ann's language is authoritarian. Like she's scolding children.
To my eyes anyway.
Agreed. Likewise, Michelle looked comfortable up on the stage, as if she was sincere in what she was saying and the feelings she was trying to convey. Ann looked like she had been pushed up there and cue cards shoved in her hands to give a speech she didn't feel comfortable giving.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:24:15pm |
re: #258 Mocking Jay
Cory Booker's latest feat.Shape-shifting into Deval Patrick. #notjustfirerescuesanymore #politicofail twitter.com/joshtpm/status...— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 5, 2012
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:26:34pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
Agreed. Likewise, Michelle looked comfortable up on the stage, as if she was sincere in what she was saying and the feelings she was trying to convey. Ann looked like she had been pushed up there and cue cards shoved in her hands to give a speech she didn't feel comfortable giving.
Yep. I get the impression that campaigning for Ann is an unwelcome chore.
Now that I think about it, I get the same impression from Mitt.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:29:19pm |
re: #264 OhNoZombies!
Now that I think about it, I get the same impression from Mitt.
The office ought to be just given to him, after all.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:29:40pm |
I liked this from the actual Booker video page:
Newark Mayor Cory Booker energizes the crowd in Charlotte as he speeks in front of delegates at the DNC.
I guess there was no budget for spell checkers.
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allegro Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:29:47pm |
re: #222 moderatelyradicalliberal
I've seriously given thought to letting people like this just get it out of their system.
I actually did this the other day. I was talking to a neighbor during my morning dog walk (if I didn't have dogs I would be a total hermit, I swear). We were talking about the Repub convention, Clint Eastwood and stuff. He started talking trash about Obama being a Muslim and a socialist and... I just said, "why don't you just say it? Say what you're really thinking." and by golly he did. He said "he's a n****r and he just doesn't belong in the White House." Even though I knew it, expected it, I still couldn't catch my breath for a second.
The terrific news is that my low-info-conservative-Texan dog-walking friend is completely sold now. I have actually gotten her watching the conventions as she's waited for me to go on our evening walks and she is a solid vote for Obama now. Her comments tonight after watching Castro and Michelle were quite touching. She said that they made her want to do better, be a better person. They spoke to her with authentic voices and made her plum disgusted in comparison with what she heard last week.
People are interesting.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:29:55pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:31:01pm |
re: #264 OhNoZombies!
Yep. I get the impression that campaigning for Ann is an unwelcome chore.
Now that I think about it, I get the same impression from Mitt.
The GOP spent part of last week, when they weren't spewing bile and hatred at the fictional Obama who exists in their heads, talking somewhat about how Romney would bring the business experience he has from working at Bain to the White House. And really, he seems to have already brought it to his campaign, namely a general disdain for any actual leadership and a belief that the presidency is his by right of having the bigger bank account.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:33:09pm |
Anybody watching Leno? Has Luap Nor jumped off the Good Ship Romney yet?
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:33:17pm |
I wonder if there is a way to divide real conservatives from the GOP.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:33:47pm |
Holy crap...I was at the Giants' game and had to listen to Michelle streaming on my phone...but that was one hell of a night from what I could tell.
Three days of RNC - and these were the 'mentions' #p2 1/2 twitter.com/darthstar99/st...— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 5, 2012
Day 1 of the #DNC2012, and by comparison, these are the mentions #p2 2/2 twitter.com/darthstar99/st...— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 5, 2012
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:35:29pm |
It's pretty obvious which party loves their candidate, and which party had to settle for a candidate.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:35:52pm |
Heh. Tonight I can tell who the Democrats and Republicans on my FB list are, even if they never talk politics.
The Democrats are either bursting with pride over Julian Castro or gushing over Michelle Obama, and the Republicans were either complaining about nothing being on TV, about a fictional DNC where everything tonight was about race, or were saying that they were disgusted with both sides and that everyone should have to serve in government like they do jury duty. I can't help but laugh at the differences in tone.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:35:54pm |
Last week, the GOP spent every day asking America "Are you better off today than before that black guy took over the White House?"
This week, the DNC seems to be responding "Yes we are, and we'll be a whole lot better off if you assholes get out of the way so we can keep moving forward."
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:38:01pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:39:18pm |
Twitter @gov says the whole #RNC netted 4 million tweets in 3 days. #DNC just broke 3 million in one night.: blog.twitter.com/2012/09/dnc201...— Path2Enlightenment (@Path2Enlighten) September 5, 2012
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simoom Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:39:24pm |
Politico's Glenn Thrush:
Something that I didn't see in Tampa -- wait staff cheering for convention speaker... Michelle
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 5, 2012
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:39:27pm |
It's sad that after an empowering night for women with Michelle Obama's historic speech "#DumpTheHoe" is now our #1 trending topic.— Calvin (@aurosan) September 5, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:39:49pm |
re: #275 Targetpractice
Last week, the GOP spent every day asking America "Are you better off today than before that black guy took over the White House?"
This week, the DNC seems to be responding "Yes we are, and we'll be a whole lot better off if you assholes get out of the way so we can keep moving forward."
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:39:59pm |
Michelle's biggest fans were watching from home: twitter.com/BarackObama/st...— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) September 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:40:12pm |
re: #281 Lidane
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Says more about them than her. She was awesome. She made me proud that she's our first lady.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:40:35pm |
re: #267 allegro
I actually did this the other day. I was talking to a neighbor during my morning dog walk (if I didn't have dogs I would be a total hermit, I swear). We were talking about the Repub convention, Clint Eastwood and stuff. He started talking trash about Obama being a Muslim and a socialist and... I just said, "why don't you just say it? Say what you're really thinking." and by golly he did. He said "he's a n****r and he just doesn't belong in the White House." Even though I knew it, expected it, I still couldn't catch my breath for a second.
The terrific news is that my low-info-conservative-Texan dog-walking friend is completely sold now. I have actually gotten her watching the conventions as she's waited for me to go on our evening walks and she is a solid vote for Obama now. Her comments tonight after watching Castro and Michelle were quite touching. She said that they made her want to do better, be a better person. They spoke to her with authentic voices and made her plum disgusted in comparison with what she heard last week.
People are interesting.
Good to hear about your friend in Texas. As a Texan who is tired of GOP rule it gives me hope. As for your neighbor I seriously want to give people like him 10 second's one day to yell the word and get it out of their system. I just don't think I could get other black people to agree not to punch them in the face so it would probably never work.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:41:03pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
"We heard that before, and the 'change' was the same old song. Pull the other one, it has bells on it."
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:41:30pm |
I wonder if the Dems were sandbagging. If they can keep this up for the duration, the Republicans are going to have a hell of a time responding to all these fronts at the same time.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:42:24pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
Yeah, that really happened with the Bush Tax Cuts, two wars and Medicare Part D.
Charlatans.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:42:30pm |
re: #283 darthstar
The President's body language in that pic is also...telling.
Heh...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:42:33pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
National humiliation? You find it humiliating that President Obama got us out of Iraq? You find it humiliating that President Obama gave the order to kill Osama bin Laden? You find it humiliating that we've had 29 months of positive job growth (small numbers, yes, but better than the 700k losses per month we had at the end of the last presidency)?
You need to think about that.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:43:20pm |
re: #290 darthstar
National humiliation? You find it humiliating that President Obama got us out of Iraq? You find it humiliating that President Obama gave the order to kill Osama bin Laden? You find it humiliating that we've had 29 months of positive job growth (small numbers, yes, but better than the 700k losses per month we had at the end of the last presidency)?
You need to think about that.
No, he finds it humiliating that we've not yet declared war on Iran and nuked them back to the Stone Age because we barked "Jump!" and they didn't ask "How high?"
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:43:39pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
'Bankruptcy and national humiliation.' That's one hell of a campaign slogan.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:43:56pm |
re: #288 Mocking Jay
Yeah, that really happened with the Bush Tax Cuts, two wars and Medicare Part D.
Charlatans.
Fiscal responsibility!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:44:43pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:45:05pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
Really? Then why didn't you do it during the Bush years? You had eight years to do that and you didn't so what is different now? Republicans created a new entitlement under Bush and had net zero job growth. If past is prologue your party doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:45:40pm |
This little tree with it's small scale beauty has seen many winters, springs and summers. It's a bit stunted being that its grown among hard rocks rather than good soil. But it has done well enough anyway. It thrives in it's place.
It reminds me of what has happened to certain civilized values. Values that were once common to both sides of the party aisle or discussion. Truth to power. Humility in public service. Honesty to self.
This tree evolved to stand straight. Now it leans left as it must given the forces in play.
When I snapped that shutter at that place I saw a thing I could respect for sheer survival.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:45:44pm |
By the way, I was only listening on the radio, but I thought Lily Ledbetter kicked ass tonight too. She ripped Romney a new asshole, and she didn't even break a sweat.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:45:45pm |
Castro said it best tonight:
Republicans tell us that if the most prosperous among us do even better, that somehow the rest of us will too. Folks, we've heard that before. First they called it "trickle-down." Then "supply-side." Now it's "Romney-Ryan." Or is it "Ryan-Romney"? Either way, their theory has been tested. It failed. Our economy failed. The middle class paid the price. Your family paid the price.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:46:02pm |
re: #295 moderatelyradicalliberal
Who are you guys arguing with?
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:46:41pm |
STOP COUNTERING OUR EMPTY RHETORIC WITH FACTS! IT'S HUMILIATING!!11ty!
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:46:46pm |
re: #289 OhNoZombies!
The President's body language in that pic is also...telling.
Heh...
It's this all over again, but he's thinking it about Michelle instead:
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:46:58pm |
re: #286 Targetpractice
"We heard that before, and the 'change' was the same old song. Pull the other one, it has bells on it."
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:47:07pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:47:09pm |
re: #297 darthstar
By the way, I was only listening on the radio, but I thought Lily Ledbetter kicked ass tonight too. She ripped Romney a new asshole, and she didn't even break a sweat.
Yeah, I like Lily. She reminds me of the late, great Ann Richards a little bit.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:47:21pm |
re: #294 Mocking Jay
I read it again and edited accordingly. Haha.
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:48:00pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
national humiliation
Hope this doesn't indicate you intend to commit an act of Seppuku when your candidate loses!
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:48:37pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
"A business shark whose made millions sending jobs overseas, a campaign that might as well have "Koch Approved" written across it, and a VP who can't go two seconds without lying his ass off. I absolutely shudder in terror."
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:48:44pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet.
Judging by the pathetic failure that was the RNC, I'd say that's about right.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:48:53pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
Romney isn't a business shark. He's an opportunist. And your man-love for Ryan is, well, just fine in Obama's America.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:49:42pm |
re: #307 Targetpractice
"A business shark whose made millions sending jobs overseas, a campaign that might as well have "Koch Approved" written across it, and a VP who can't go two seconds without lying his ass off. I absolutely shudder in terror."
I do look forward to the debate between Ryan and Biden.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:49:47pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
Are you serious? I mean, were you able to type that with a straight face? Have you paid attention, at all, to Romney's staff? Etch-A-Sketch? Romneycare? EASTWOODING?
You've gotta make the lies at least a little believable.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:50:43pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
If that's the best campaign team Romney could buy, he needs to get a refund.
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dragonath Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:50:46pm |
re: #281 Lidane
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I eagerly await the explanation that this was merely the work of a few rogue party operatives.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:50:47pm |
re: #304 moderatelyradicalliberal
Yeah, I like Lily. She reminds me of the late, great Ann Richards a little bit.
I had never seen Lily Ledbetter before, but I'm a fan. She seems like the kind of lady who'll twist a man's nuts off if he doesn't treat her with respect and do it with a smile on her face. She fought for ten years, taking her case to SCOTUS. That takes some serious spine.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:50:51pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
An Iron Man.. Geezus...
100 million dollars = statistical tie.
Yeah, he hired a real brain trust there.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:51:03pm |
Where I was when I listened to Michelle Obama.
Watching the Giants while listening to FLOTUS give a remarkable speech.Only in America. #p2 twitter.com/darthstar99/st...— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:51:34pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
"You ain't seen nothing yet. We got a business shark who's put together some of the best campaign men in the business on his team, and for Veep we're got an iron man who'll rip you little attack poodle Joe Biden to shreds."
Iron man that has two bills passed to his name? Yeah I am sure Biden is scared to death of the man who dismissed global warming in the middle of winter because it was snowing in his state. And shark? Romney can't even tell you what time it is without pandering.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:52:12pm |
Since someone brought up baseball, here's a pic that deserves to be reposted.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:52:35pm |
Good night for baseball and to be a liberal.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:52:35pm |
re: #315 makeitstop
100 million dollars = statistical tie.
Yeah, he hired a real brain trust there.
///
Seriously. They spent $100 million on the RNC only to end up with Mitt getting overshadowed and upstaged by an empty chair.
If those are the best in the business for the GOP, Mitt should fire them all and outsource their jobs to a call center in India.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:53:08pm |
re: #310 darthstar
I do look forward to the debate between Ryan and Biden.
One of the most prominent moments I remember of Ryan's career was him marching out of Obama's speech when the President was flaying alive the "Plan" that the House GOP had passed with much fanfare, then demanding an apology for the way he'd been "treated."
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:54:19pm |
re: #321 Targetpractice
One of the most prominent moments I remember of Ryan's career was him marching out of Obama's speech when the President was flaying alive the "Plan" that the House GOP had passed with much fanfare, then demanding an apology for the way he'd been "treated."
Yeah. Biden's gonna fillet that lying punk, with a smile on his face.
I can't wait.
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dragonath Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:55:53pm |
On Tonight Show @ronpaul jokes with @jayleno he's not running 3rd party bc he has to take a rest & prepare for 2016— Anthony Terrell (@AnthonyNBCNews) September 5, 2012
FEEL THE REVOLUTION (taking a nap)
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:56:06pm |
We were told that Biden would be scared of Palin too. I just shrug. This isn't about being scared. This is about real problems effecting real people and a lot of the speeches got that tonight. Too bad Mr. Car Elevator doesn't get that.when he just suggests to students loan money from your parents.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:56:16pm |
re: #321 Targetpractice
One of the most prominent moments I remember of Ryan's career was him marching out of Obama's speech when the President was flaying alive the "Plan" that the House GOP had passed with much fanfare, then demanding an apology for the way he'd been "treated."
Sorry, my mistake, he didn't demand an apology. He whined to the press about Obama burning bridges and how there was no way the GOP was gonna work with him after such treatment.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:57:45pm |
re: #325 Targetpractice
Sorry, my mistake, he didn't demand an apology. He whined to the press about Obama burning bridges and how there was no way the GOP was gonna work with him after such treatment.
Eevn though he (Ryan) is the same guy who met with fellow Congressional Republicans on Obama's first day of office vowing to do everything possible to make him a one termer. Paulie whine too much would be Ryan's mafia name.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:58:42pm |
re: #326 HappyWarrior
Paulie whine too much would be Ryan's mafia name.
Yeah, but he's an iron man!
Haha.
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:59:58pm |
re: #327 makeitstop
Yeah, but he's an iron man!
Haha.
Well you have to admit...if the VP debate devolves into a pose-down, Biden is in BIG trouble.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:00:04pm |
re: #327 makeitstop
Yeah, but he's an iron man!
Haha.
Okay since iron man has been brought up and we have been talking baseball and I am an Orioles fan lemme do a little bit of Lloyd Bentsen and nostalgic kid here.
I know Cal Ripken, he was the real Iron Man, he played in 2632 consecutive games and made a kid dream of a baseball career. Paul Ryan, sir is no Cal Ripken.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:00:38pm |
re: #327 makeitstop
Yeah, but he's an iron man!
Haha.
Yeah. His times are record breaking...
When the truth is chasing him.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:02:00pm |
re: #326 HappyWarrior
Eevn though he (Ryan) is the same guy who met with fellow Congressional Republicans on Obama's first day of office vowing to do everything possible to make him a one termer. Paulie whine too much would be Ryan's mafia name.
Seriously, Ryan was a no-name backbencher before Obama took office. His voting record says it all, he was a good little Republican who never strayed off the party line and voted for every major Bush bill that came down the line. Even after Obama got elected, he was virtually unknown outside of tepid support amongst the base for his "Plan," which the party leadership made sure never got any real attention and never got out of committee.
But '11 comes along, and suddenly he's this economic "guru" with a B.A. from Miami in Ohio whose "Plan" is "bold" and "serious" and whose future in the party is full of nothing but promise and greatness.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:02:28pm |
re: #327 makeitstop
Yeah, but he's an iron man!
Haha.
Pfft. He's not an iron man. This is an iron man:
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dragonath Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:03:03pm |
LOL at Ron Paul dissing the RNC and Mitt Romney on Leno. AND... he just said "Paul Ryan is NO deficit hawk. He's a fake." ROFL!— McBlondeLand (@McBlondeLand) September 5, 2012
lol
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:03:17pm |
I'm an iron man. Every morning, when I am ironing my shirt before work, I ask my wife, "Do you need anything ironed?" And when she says, "Yes" I sing, "I'll iron for you." (a play on the Roseanne Cash/Steve Earle duet "I'll change for you")
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sagehen Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:03:51pm |
re: #320 Lidane
Seriously. They spent $100 million on the RNC only to end up with Mitt getting overshadowed and upstaged by an empty chair.
If those are the best in the business for the GOP, Mitt should fire them all and outsource their jobs to a call center in India.
Was that convention staged by the same people who prepped him for his UK trip? And they still have jobs?
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:04:22pm |
re: #333 dragonath
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lol
Ron Paul talking to Jay Leno is the equivalent of Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:05:02pm |
re: #333 dragonath
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lol
Well, I am no Luap Nor fan but he's telling the truth here.
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Mattand Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:05:39pm |
re: #335 sagehen
Was that convention staged by the same people who prepped him for his UK trip? And they still have jobs?
That is a very good question. If Mitt likes to be able to fire people, he should start with his campaign managers.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:06:32pm |
re: #335 sagehen
Was that convention staged by the same people who prepped him for his UK trip? And they still have jobs?
I imagine they're the same folks who were mentioned to have cringed through the entirety of Clint's performance last week.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:07:52pm |
re: #337 HappyWarrior
Well, I am no Luap Nor fan but he's telling the truth here.
I read a post where he called Ryan's budget a 'fraud,' too.
Crazy old bastard can get it right once in a while.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:09:42pm |
re: #335 sagehen
Was that convention staged by the same people who prepped him for his UK trip? And they still have jobs?
Yes and yes. It must be some more of that shark-like business acumen.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:09:44pm |
re: #340 makeitstop
I read a post where he called Ryan's budget a 'fraud,' too.
Crazy old bastard can get it right once in a while.
Well Paul Ryan lost all credibility when he voted for a lot of those Bush items. He claims now to have done so ruefully but I call bullshit on that. Sorry, Paul, fiscal conservatism just isn't opposing social spending. It also includes including tax cuts for the sake of tax cuts and wasteful defense seasoning.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:10:41pm |
re: #342 HappyWarrior
Well Paul Ryan lost all credibility when he voted for a lot of those Bush items. Sorry, Paul, fiscal conservatism just isn't opposing social spending. It also includes including tax cuts for the sake of tax cuts and wasteful defense seasoning.
But didn't you know that he feels real bad about those votes and he's a changed man? An iron man!
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:12:01pm |
For a minute, I kind of liked Luap. In bits and pieces, he sounds ok.
It's just when you keep listening...
It falls apart in a big way.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:12:37pm |
It doesn't matter what Ryan voted for then. He's learned his lesson and now he's trying to save us from the thousand year interregnum. But the Seldon Ryan Plan will see us through.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:13:19pm |
re: #344 OhNoZombies!
For a minute, I kind of liked Luap. In bits and pieces, he sounds ok.
It's just when you keep listening...
It falls apart in a big way.
If you were against the Iraq war and are pro-weed he sounds reasonable on the surface. It's only when you listen to him for more than five minutes that you realize he's full of shit.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:14:01pm |
re: #344 OhNoZombies!
For a minute, I kind of liked Luap. In bits and pieces, he sounds ok.
It's just when you keep listening...
It falls apart in a big way.
Charlie Pierce calls it the 5 Minute Rule. Paul seems to make a lot of sense for exactly 5 minutes. Then 5:00:01 hits, he starts nattering on about auditing the Fed or the gold standard and you start uncomfortably looking for the exit.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:16:29pm |
re: #272 darthstar
Holy crap...I was at the Giants' game and had to listen to Michelle streaming on my phone...but that was one hell of a night from what I could tell.
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Sid Meier's Civilization 2012
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:16:29pm |
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:17:00pm |
Thing about the Seldon, I mean Ryan plan is that you aren't allowed to know it exists. You see, the knowledge of the plan will cause people to act in ways that will make the plan fail. So you reporters will understand if we don't share any policy details.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:18:58pm |
I love how they want to mute people on the Ryan Plan but without that really he has no accomplishments or really anything noteworthy. Just another fish in the fish bowl that is the US House. Love how Romney attacks Obama for having a lifetime of public service but here his running mate has pretty much been in government too his whole caerer.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:19:00pm |
re: #332 Lidane
Pfft. He's not an iron man. This is an iron man:
Would like a word...
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:20:28pm |
See you all tomorrow.
I keep over-sleeping, and end up having to rush the kids to the bus stop in the morning.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:20:54pm |
Business shark is high in urea, total bottom feeding butt fish. That's why it's called business shark.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:24:44pm |
re: #352 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Would like a word...
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Ozzy's allowed to have several words, provided there's a translator available.
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simoom Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:29:06pm |
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
One person was dead and another critically injured after a shooting at a Canadian politician's victory speech, Montreal police said.
Pauline Marois, the newly-elected premier of Quebec, was rushed off stage when gunfire rang out around midnight Tuesday, CNN affiliate CBC reported. Marois, who will be the first female premier of Quebec, was not harmed.
Police arrested a suspect shortly after the shooting.
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simoom Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:31:05pm |
I've never heard such a well delivered speech by a first lady ever
— Anderson Cooper (@andersoncooper) September 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:31:24pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:35:23pm |
re: #355 Targetpractice
Ozzy's allowed to have several words, provided there's a translator available.
If you're into this sort of thing, for the inherent lulz I strongly recommend the Henry Rollins interview of Ozzy. Henry being notoriously long-winded but highly articulate, and Ozzy being infamously semi-lucid and barely comprehensible. I love both of these guys, but this borders on self-parody.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:36:30pm |
They call Michelle Obama an angry black woman. What the hell do you call that batshit crazy Michele Malkin?— DIANA OBAMA BLOKZYL (@NANDEE218) September 5, 2012
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allegro Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:42:06pm |
I just looked at my Facebook page (I don't look often) and I saw a post from one of my leftie friends who I have known now for almost 40 years who is celebrating his anniversary with his second wife. He was married first to my friend and FWS partner. They were both Peace Corps veterans, having met in Africa during their service years. Together they adopted 10 children, some of them special needs kids, all minorities. His wife, my friend and co-worker, died of breast cancer some years ago. He met and married his current wife, a woman who had 4 adopted special needs kids, not too long after his wife's death. 14 kids between them. Together they adopted another 12.
That's 26 kids this man has raised and loved.Holy moly. I knew there were a bunch but didn't know until now that it was 26. He adores them all and is so proud of them, sharing pics of his various kids and now many with kids of their own. He is an attorney but has given away most of his services, I think, doing pro bono work for clients in need over the years.
Made me think of Michele Bachmann patting herself on the back with her claim of all the children she has raised as a foster parent, having them a few months, collecting the government payments, and then sending them off.
Just seems a distinct picture between today's left and right.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:42:45pm |
Text from RNC delegate: "I'm officially jealous. The DNC looks way more exciting"— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) September 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:47:14pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:50:19pm |
re: #312 OhNoZombies!
If that's the best campaign team Romney could buy, he needs to get a refund.
Yeah, because Mitt got screwed.
"Business shark", my ass...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:53:36pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:00:34pm |
Zombie peanuts.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:00:37pm |
re: #363 darthstar
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It's easy for the DNC to look exciting compared to the blahfest that was the RNC.
You know that it's pretty bad when Clint Fucking Eastwood taking to an empty chair upstages and outshines your nominee's acceptance speech, because your nominee blows chunks.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:09:12pm |
re: #363 darthstar
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It actually must kind of suck for them, the stark comparison of their dark, uninspired, uncreative, ugly little hate filled gathering of crusty old white liars with an actual, upbeat, enthusiastic celebration of diversity, societal responsibility and inclusiveness.
I mean the Republicans did their best, they had the money advantage and every opportunity to craft an exciting, eye catching, truly inspiring message. Instead now their best efforts just look like a giant fallen shit soufflé.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:25:24pm |
one of the things that michelle had going for her tonight was: music
she got on to one of those things where she heard the melody, the changes, the modulations upwards to higher and higher keys, the acceleration of the beat as it drove the rest onwards and upwards, and she rode the arc up and over all the way to the end
i've never heard a speech delivered more perfectly. absolute pitch
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:27:31pm |
oh - but how is fucked news covering it!
Michelle Obama Argues for More Time to See 'Change' Through
yeah
michelle makes a soaring, positive speech, and fucked news makes it sound like she's saying the dog ate my homework
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:34:16pm |
re: #371 engineer cat
oh - but how is fucked news covering it!
Michelle Obama Argues for More Time to See 'Change' Through
yeah
michelle makes a soaring, positive speech, and fucked news makes it sound like she's saying the dog ate my homework
I don't really expect anything less from them. Really, her speech was great but Fox has to sell "Angry meanie Michelle" to their moron audience who are convinced thanks to them that the Obamas are mean and spiteful people. Fortunately, I think most people will see the speech for what it is. Really though, after that speech tonight, how anyone could claim that she's mean and hateful is amazing to me? You don't have to like her or her husband's policies but she's a very positive person and doesn't deserve the trash that the right wing assholes throw at her.
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boredtechindenver Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:53:00pm |
re: #286 Targetpractice
re: #288 Mocking Jay
re: #291 Targetpractice
re: #292 makeitstop
re: #307 Targetpractice
re: #311 Mocking Jay
re: #317 HappyWarrior
< Chris Crocker > Leeeave DF alone. He's doing his best with a bad candidate and a worse party. And he's been brainwashed into believing in both. And into believing in Corporate America, even though they keep screwing him, with out a kiss or even a reach around. But he remembers to thank them for the screwing. So leave him alone < / Chris Crocker >
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:56:23pm |
re: #373 Amory Blaine
The Giving Tree
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One of his best. This was my brother's favorite by him and mine too.
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Tigger2 Wed, Sep 5, 2012 12:09:00am |
If they polled tonight I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of a convention bump tomorrow.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 5, 2012 12:18:31am |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Sep 5, 2012 12:32:51am |
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piratedan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 1:02:55am |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
yeah, the same guy who had to shut down his last town hall meeting because the oldsters caught on to his vouchercare scam and started to call him out on his own budget, that's the guy who's gonna take on Joe Biden nationally. Lookin' forward to it.... tell your guy to wear his depends, he's gonna need 'em.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Sep 5, 2012 1:13:43am |
re: #378 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
d'awww
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Damn, BO was skinny as a rail when he was younger!
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Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 1:15:16am |
re: #380 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
AMERICA
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AK-47% Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:05:20am |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation.
Could be he feels humiliated by having a black man in the White House... But I am only inferring and extrapolating, not calling him a racist directly at this point...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:55:45am |
Good for the boys!! Win State last year, start this year with a "W".
[Link: preps.heraldtribune.com...]
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andres Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:59:16am |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
I'll take issue with a couple of things: National Humiliation. For the love of your favorite deity, please explain to me what has Obama and the Democrats done to cause National Humiliation. I remember someone going to an allied country and insulting his hosts on the very first day and going to another allied country and insulting the bellicose neighbors. I don't remember a Democrat being involved in either incident.
Second: Republicans knowing about economy. Really? The party that still pushes the discredited tickle down economics knows more about economics?
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:12:46am |
But down the pipe son and nobody gets hurt.
[Link: www.cfnews13.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:15:00am |
re: #389 Tommy's cone of shame
But down the pipe son and nobody gets hurt.
[Link: www.cfnews13.com...]
That hole in his bottom lip really sets off the 5 hairs on his chin.
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mr.fusion Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:25:38am |
re: #370 engineer cat
one of the things that michelle had going for her tonight was: music
she got on to one of those things where she heard the melody, the changes, the modulations upwards to higher and higher keys, the acceleration of the beat as it drove the rest onwards and upwards, and she rode the arc up and over all the way to the end
i've never heard a speech delivered more perfectly. absolute pitch
And for some reason I went over to HA to check out the comments
Calling her fat and a "tranny hooker" as usual. Few wookie comments thrown in there as well
Must be exhausting going through life so angry and full of hate
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steve_davis Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:26:23am |
re: #370 engineer cat
one of the things that michelle had going for her tonight was: music
she got on to one of those things where she heard the melody, the changes, the modulations upwards to higher and higher keys, the acceleration of the beat as it drove the rest onwards and upwards, and she rode the arc up and over all the way to the end
i've never heard a speech delivered more perfectly. absolute pitch
Yeah, I was even shouting at the crowd to shut up towards the end when they started the 4 more years thing, because they were screwing up her climax, but in the end, she stayed right where she had been, and it worked out o.k.
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andres Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:26:49am |
re: #388 andres
By bellicose, I am referring to Hamas. Sorry for bad phrasing.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:35:18am |
FAIL.
Buffalo NBC Station Uses Photos Of Singer Seal To Report On Actor Michael Clarke Duncan’s Death
[Link: deadspin.com...]
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Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:12am |
Shorter GOP: Obama hasn't created a single job until he digs us entirely out of the ditch we ran the country into tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/gop-ob...— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 5, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:16am |
re: #385 Expand Your Ground
Could be he feels humiliated by having a black man in the White House... But I am only inferring and extrapolating, not calling him a racist directly at this point...
You can have a downding for your faulty inference. I've never said anything to say or imply that I found Barack Obama's race problematic in any way whatsoever. For that matter neither has Mitt Romney nor Paul Ryan.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:15:00am |
re: #393 andres
To aim hostile rhetoric at Hamas is not insulting Hamas, its calling them out as the assholes they are. One of the best things Mitt could do if elected would be to stop holding peace talks that have no real chance of getting anywhere due to Palestinian intransigence and Jew-hate.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:19:53am |
[new article] Sept. 4: The Simple Case for Why Obama Is the Favorite nyti.ms/NQYoA4— Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) September 5, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:22:05am |
re: #398 Lidane
The New York Times Opinion Section: All the thought that's fit to wrap a fish.
The news sections are useful, but the opinion section is best used as a fish-wrap.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:29:09am |
I thought Michelle Obama was the most interesting speech last night. Harry Reid was the worst.
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kirkspencer Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:30:33am |
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
The New York Times Opinion Section: All the thought that's fit to wrap a fish.
The news sections are useful, but the opinion section is best used as a fish-wrap.
um, you're aware that's 538? Nate Silver's column?
Did your knee jerk before you even reached for the link, or do you have another basis for ignoring his track record?
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Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:31:28am |
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Except that it's not a part of the Op-Ed page. It's a blog post by Nate Silver talking about the history convention bounces, Romney's lack thereof, and how so far, POTUS is in a better statistical position.
Just because your candidate sucks doesn't mean you can just dismiss something you don't like as part of the NYT Op-Ed page.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:10am |
National Review's Jonah Goldberg doesn't agree with the great majority of what the Obamas support politically. But that having been said, his comments on Michelle Obama's speech are worth reading, IMO. Here's his last paragraph, which is an honest evaluation on his part:
All of that said, I thought as a political speech it was excellent and did nearly everything she needed it to do. She was more comfortable and convincingly passionate than Ann Romney and made not only a defense of her husband the man (where Ann also excelled) but also of her husband’s policies (where Ann Romney was largely silent, if memory serves). Will it convince anyone already leaning against Obama to change their mind, I sincerely doubt it. Will it win back a few waverers? Quite possibly. Will it fire up the Democratic base? Absolutely.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:30am |
re: #398 Lidane
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His is the most credible public source out there, but I'm still acting on the assumption we're down by 2 in the fourth quarter.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:52am |
re: #401 kirkspencer
I didn't read the link, truth to tell.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:34:50am |
re: #404 Decatur Deb
His is the most credible public source out there, but I'm still acting on the assumption we're down by 2 in the fourth quarter.
Well, yeah. Even the Dems are acting like they're down by 2 in the 4th and they're the incumbent party. How many speakers last night talked about getting out the vote and making a case for engagement and for getting to the polls? That's a theme we're going to see over and over this week.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:34:51am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
You can have a downding for your faulty inference. I've never said anything to say or imply that I found Barack Obama's race problematic in any way whatsoever. For that matter neither has Mitt Romney nor Paul Ryan.
agreed....obviously no one can say a single negative about the President around here without being accused of being a racist. I believe President Obama to be a decent intelligent person. I disagree strongly with his policies and treatment of the space program. In his first year in office, when every government agency was getting budget increases due to the stimulus package, the only program he chose to cut was NASA.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:39:34am |
re: #407 Big Steve
agreed....obviously no one can say a single negative about the President around here without being accused of being
a racistwrong....snip.. I believe ...
Fixed.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:42:01am |
re: #407 Big Steve
agreed....obviously no one can say a single negative about the President around here without being accused of being a racist. I believe President Obama to be a decent intelligent person. I disagree strongly with his policies and treatment of the space program. In his first year in office, when every government agency was getting budget increases due to the stimulus package, the only program he chose to cut was NASA.
That's not really true normally. I've often criticized Obama here without being called a racist. But the fact is that many Democrats and their media supporters have been banging the "code words and dog whistles" drum far harder than they should this year, to the point where references to Chicago are "code words" according to Chris Matthews. As a result, some Dem. supporters have gotten a bit trigger-happy and have claimed things as code words that really aren't such.
The preceding paragraph should not be read as an argument that such code words do not in fact exist at all. Newt Gingrich's comment that Barack Obama is a "food stamp president" was a valid example of code word/dog whistle usage.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:50:46am |
One of the best things I've ever seen via twitter... at a women's equality demonstration, best protest sign ever. twitter.com/AlsBoy/status/...— Dominique Holmes (@domholmestattoo) September 3, 2012
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:10am |
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Jadewater Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:19am |
Morning all!
So I saw MO's speech. I'll give her the biggest compliment I can give. Listening to her made me feel like I almost wanted to be American.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:56am |
re: #409 Dark_Falcon
again agreed......code words, exist for both campaign's to get to the sub-conscious of their followers and this year is no different. What I find different is that if one, here, is not a supporter of Obama then you are immediately attached to all of the lunatic side of the Republican party and it is assumed you support that as well. I personally am liberal socially. Support gay marriage, strongly support abortion being legal, think all guns should be tossed in a lake, and believe that social welfare programs have value. However, I have done the math and the deficit spending, in my humble opinion, will destroy this country in 14 years. I perfectly realize that the reason for deficit spending is on both parties but the Republicans are the only ones willing to face it fully. I also get weary of the Presidents constant willingness to go to the class card on this issue. Last year I cleared $250k for the year and I paid $84k in income taxes. I am not some rich asshole who is gaming the system and skating by and I just wish the President would lay off.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:54:23am |
Mornin' everyone.
Did America just have the political equivalent of great sex last night or what! Come on Wednesday! #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 5, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:59:33am |
re: #414 darthstar
@darthstar99 No, but if Obama wins America will be screwed.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) September 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:01:20am |
Republicans note the Democratic platform contains no mention of God. Neither does the U.S. Constitution. maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/…
— Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) September 5, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:05:34am |
re: #415 Dark_Falcon
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Oh, you got me on that one, DF...yes indeedy! Ouch! That's going to leave a mark! You iron men can be so rough!
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:06:54am |
re: #416 Mocking Jay
God's not even American. For a party that cries "Country First" at the drop of a hat, Republicans sure put a lot of faith in some fuckin' foreigner.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:06:58am |
re: #416 Mocking Jay
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Hey! I was going to post that and mine. Here's mine...
@weeklystandard God is not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution either. Get over it.— Gus (@Gus_802) September 4, 2012
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:07:23am |
re: #419 Gus
Hey! I was going to post that and mine. Here's mine...
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Too slow, old man.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:07:34am |
'God' Removed from Dem. Party Platform: "God" has been removed from this year's Democratic party platform.
GOOD.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:09:35am |
re: #419 Gus
Hey! I was going to post that and mine. Here's mine...
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And mine...
@weeklystandardGod had to send a cease and desist letter to the GOP.Dems removed god...what fuckin' century do you live in?#p2 #tlot— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 5, 2012
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:03am |
Off to put an un-ironic wrench on some not-metaphorical bolts in a non-virtual world. BBL.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:26am |
re: #417 darthstar
If you can't pivot and attack, then mock and belittle. Junior High tactics.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:11:28am |
Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Nothing like a monsoon and delayed trains to wreck the AM rush hour. Anyhow, I see that there are quite a few reports indicating that hotels kicked out homeless people to make space available to DNC visitors. That follows reports yesterday that some Charlotte hotels were not much more than hovels and drug dens.
Isn't that a function of the market at work? After all, the hotels are trying to make a bunch of money on the convention, and they can jack up the rates to maximize their profits, even if it means kicking out people who might otherwise be homeless. The DNC had nothing to with that - it's businesses being businesses.
Then again, you would think that the same businesses wouldn't want to be associated with drug deals and other criminal activities. Apparently some are willing to turn a blind eye on that front.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:12:26am |
Ah yes. The Teabilly morons keep banging their drums...
Crazy Talk: Romney Loves US; Obama Doesn't
Tea Party Express Chair Amy Kremer's tweet, "Huge difference between @MittRomney & @BarackObama is tht Mitt luvs America! We need a president that luvs this country! #RNC2012 #GOP2012" inspired a conversation on CNN's Starting Point in which Soledad O'Brien attempted to get clarity on what was really meant by that assertion about the president...
Video at link. Why are right winger always so angry?
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:12:49am |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
If you can't pivot and attack, then mock and belittle. Junior High tactics.
I was taught never to hit back at someone weaker than myself. My tweet (which you chose to attack) was simply celebrating the positive feeling that a lot of people seem to be feeling this morning. It was a positive night, and people are proud of their country and their First Lady. Even McCainblogette noticed it...and I responded to her positively:
@mccainblogette It's not that everyone else is a Democrat, it's that anyone who watched Michelle's speech is proud & happy today. #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:13:10am |
re: #428 Gus
Ah yes. The Teabilly morons keep banging their drums...
Crazy Talk: Romney Loves US; Obama Doesn't
Video at link. Why are right winger always so angry?
So why does Mitt's money love the Cayman Islands?
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:15:22am |
re: #430 Mocking Jay
So why does Mitt's money love the Cayman Islands?
Sort like how Newt Gingrich's love of America made him bang younger women extra-maritally.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:15:36am |
re: #429 darthstar
I was taught never to hit back at someone weaker than myself. My tweet (which you chose to attack) was simply celebrating the positive feeling that a lot of people seem to be feeling this morning. It was a positive night, and people are proud of their country and their First Lady. Even McCainblogette noticed it...and I responded to her positively:
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She's not very bright.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:15:46am |
re: #427 lawhawk
Any comment on the story that United and American airlines are going to have to go trial on the lawsuit by the company that leased the WTC?
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sagehen Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:17:15am |
re: #429 darthstar
I was taught never to hit back at someone weaker than myself. My tweet (which you chose to attack) was simply celebrating the positive feeling that a lot of people seem to be feeling this morning. It was a positive night, and people are proud of their country and their First Lady. Even McCainblogette noticed it...and I responded to her positively:
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Mccainblogette could well be right, depending what part of NYC she's in (the upper east side has republicans, and Staten Island).
The funniest thing Morning Joe did in the 2008 campaign was to send Willie Geist to stand outside Zabar's in a McCain/Palin t-shirt the day before the election and ask passers-by "can we count on your support?" People laughed and laughed, he was there for an hour and a half and didn't get a single yes.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:17:19am |
re: #432 Gus
She's not very bright.
No, she's not, but she does pretend to be and I like to encourage her (and occasionally ask her how she can support such misogynist assholes).
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:18:06am |
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:18:21am |
re: #440 darthstar
No, she's not, but she does pretend to be and I like to encourage her (and occasionally ask her how she can support such misogynist assholes).
Half the time the wingnuts are also whining about her and calling her a RINO.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:19:35am |
re: #441 darthstar
She'd just have kicked you in the balls, DS, when you swayed up with your slurred words.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:19:54am |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Proper GOP Counter: "Your 'Forward' leads to bankruptcy and national humiliation. We know better than you how to grow the economy and reform the entitlements you let get out of control. Yeah guys, change is coming, but its going to be very different change than what you expect it will be."
And that would be total bullshit so they better keep that counter at the sandwich shop where it would be of better use.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:20:50am |
re: #442 Gus
Half the time the wingnuts are also whining about her and calling her a RINO.
Thing is, if they even listened to half of what she said about being inclusive, not being anti-science, etc. Obama would probably be trailing in the polls right now. People don't want to elect an asshole. The GOP is full of assholes right now. And the assholes are proud of themselves.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:21:24am |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
She'd just have kicked you in the balls, DS, when you swayed up with your slurred words.
You talk about balls a lot.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:23:09am |
re: #444 RayFerd
And that would be total bullshit so they better keep that counter at the sandwich shop where it would be of better use.
We talked about that last night...then we moved on to sharks (ooh!) and iron men(aah!)...it was really quite fun.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:29:11am |
Oh brother.
We must close union offices, confiscate their money..reduce workers salaries & take away their right to strike. -Hitler'33— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) September 5, 2012
Godwin!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:59am |
re: #448 Gus
Oh brother.
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Godwin!
@johnfugelsang Cut out the extreme rhetoric, please.Mitt Romney is not Hitler, Barack Obama is not Stalin.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) September 5, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:32:26am |
re: #292 makeitstop
'Bankruptcy and national humiliation.' That's one hell of a campaign slogan.
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"Sodomy and the Lash" was already taken.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:09am |
re: #450 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
"Sodomy and the Lash" was already taken.
Yeah, but I don't object to sodomy and Floral Giraffe thinks the lash is pleasantly kinky. So that slogan would have been out anyway.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:48am |
re: #433 Dark_Falcon
I've seen the reports but haven't read the full case. WTCP (which is Larry Silverstein's company btw) can proceed on its suit against United and American for negligence over their screening of passengers on the ill-fated hijacked airlines.
The airlines countered that Silverstein has already recovered insurance proceeds.
What the ruling indicates is that there's a material issue of fact and summary judgment wasn't warranted.
Moreover the damages were capped at the amount that Silverstein paid for the 99 year lease.
If Silverstein were to recover at trial, I'd expect appeals on the verdict. A ruling in Silverstein's favor would seriously hurt the airlines' bottom line, which is still on shaky ground (American is in bankruptcy and a judge just threw out the pilots' union contract deal). There's no way that this would settle since so much money is at stake.
If Silverstein doesn't win at trial, it would reduce his ability to build at WTC and elsewhere (though the real issue at building 2 and 3 WTC is a lack of tenants and they wont build unless they get commitments on those towers before finished beyond the stub heights).
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:52am |
“Whoa, Mars might have as much water underground as Earth does" -io9 bit.ly/RL8nYK
— RDFRS(US) (@rdfrs) September 5, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:35:23am |
Well, Michelle did write her own speech and she is a smart woman. She also knows that people respond better when you treat them like they're intelligent human beings, and not just simple idiots you need to convince to vote.
The First Lady's speech Tuesday was written at a 12th grade level - the highest in history among the wives of presidential nominees and far above Ann Romney's lowest mark of a 5th grade level
Although her husband has delivered some of the simplest State of the Union speeches over the last 75+ years - with all three written at an eighth grade level - Michelle Obama did not follow rhetorical suit on Tuesday evening.
One week after Ann Romney set a record for delivering a speech written at the lowest grade level in convention history by the wives of presidential nominees, Michelle Obama delivers a speech written at the highest ever grade level.
[Link: blog.lib.umn.edu...]
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:36:31am |
re: #449 Dark_Falcon
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Indeed. Told you that I'm seeing more and more of this. They're rekindling the old "Bush = Hitler" stupidity. This after suffering through close to 4 year of Obama being Hitler, Mao, Stalin, you name it. Have they not learned anything? Do they not understand who Hitler was? Are they this ignorant and vile enough to compare them to the Nazis? I realize this is a slight diversion on my part but it brings back a lot of the ugliness from the Bush years including one face to face confrontation.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:08am |
re: #453 Mocking Jay
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We know that from that Schwarzenegger movie...Total Recall. Sheesh. They spent millions on a robot when they could have streamed the movie free on Netflix?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:09am |
re: #452 lawhawk
I've seen the reports but haven't read the full case. WTCP (which is Larry Silverstein's company btw) can proceed on its suit against United and American for negligence over their screening of passengers on the ill-fated hijacked airlines.
The airlines countered that Silverstein has already recovered insurance proceeds.
What the ruling indicates is that there's a material issue of fact and summary judgment wasn't warranted.
Moreover the damages were capped at the amount that Silverstein paid for the 99 year lease.
If Silverstein were to recover at trial, I'd expect appeals on the verdict. A ruling in Silverstein's favor would seriously hurt the airlines' bottom line, which is still on shaky ground (American is in bankruptcy and a judge just threw out the pilots' union contract deal). There's no way that this would settle since so much money is at stake.
If Silverstein doesn't win at trial, it would reduce his ability to build at WTC and elsewhere (though the real issue at building 2 and 3 WTC is a lack of tenants and they wont build unless they get commitments on those towers before finished beyond the stub heights).
Thank you for the information, though you may wish to use the pencil and clear up the last sentence.
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Targetpractice Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:41am |
re: #450 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
"Sodomy and the Lash" was already taken.
By what, an S&M band?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:39:35am |
re: #452 lawhawk
I've seen the reports but haven't read the full case. WTCP (which is Larry Silverstein's company btw) can proceed on its suit against United and American for negligence over their screening of passengers on the ill-fated hijacked airlines.
The airlines countered that Silverstein has already recovered insurance proceeds.
What the ruling indicates is that there's a material issue of fact and summary judgment wasn't warranted.
Moreover the damages were capped at the amount that Silverstein paid for the 99 year lease.
If Silverstein were to recover at trial, I'd expect appeals on the verdict. A ruling in Silverstein's favor would seriously hurt the airlines' bottom line, which is still on shaky ground (American is in bankruptcy and a judge just threw out the pilots' union contract deal). There's no way that this would settle since so much money is at stake.
If Silverstein doesn't win at trial, it would reduce his ability to build at WTC and elsewhere (though the real issue at building 2 and 3 WTC is a lack of tenants and they wont build unless they get commitments on those towers before finished beyond the stub heights).
I keep getting this very weird anti-Semitic, Troofer spam from some idiot calling itself larry.silverstein. Most of it goes straight into the spamtrap, but once in a while I will open one and read it just for a chuckle.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:03am |
re: #459 Gus
Crazy. The perp allegedly had a fully loaded AK-47 that jammed.
Define "fully loaded". Or do you mean "full automatic"?
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:03am |
re: #455 Gus
Fugelsang can be pretty funny, but he missed the mark here...too many people get upset when Republicans are compared to Hitler, and the next thing you know we've got people demanding apologies, clutching pearls, getting self-righteous, and storing the offending tweet for future use when talking about magical balance.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:46am |
re: #459 Gus
Crazy. The perp allegedly had a full loaded AK-47 that jammed.
AK-47s never jam! Divine intervention?
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:42:33am |
re: #463 darthstar
Fugelsang can be pretty funny, but he missed the mark here...too many people get upset when Republicans are compared to Hitler, and the next thing you know we've got people demanding apologies, clutching pearls, getting self-righteous, and storing the offending tweet for future use when talking about magical balance.
That's part of my reasoning too. Crazy talk like this makes our side look bad. Otherwise he can be pretty funny.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:09am |
re: #464 darthstar
AK-47s never jam! Divine intervention?
They don't jam due to dirt or sand. They can still jam if they have a faulty magazine or bad ammunition.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:40am |
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:45:23am |
re: #407 Big Steve
agreed....obviously no one can say a single negative about the President around here without being accused of being a racist. I believe President Obama to be a decent intelligent person. I disagree strongly with his policies and treatment of the space program. In his first year in office, when every government agency was getting budget increases due to the stimulus package, the only program he chose to cut was NASA.
Where are you getting the info that Obama cut NASA's funding?
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:45:41am |
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
So that means with a 30-round magazine?
They point is that he was looking to kill mass numbers of people.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:45:53am |
Shit...7:45 already...need to go run the dogs.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:49:37am |
re: #471 Gus
They point is that he was looking to kill mass numbers of people.
I know. But the term "fully loaded" when applied to an AKM often means the rifle has been fitted out with accessories such as optical sights or an M1913 rail system in place of the normal handguard/forward grip.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:50:41am |
Today's Media dumbass narrative: Fact that some people don't want to spend hours in a downpour means a lack of enthusiasm for Obama's speech— Hesiod Theogeny (@Hesiod2k11) September 5, 2012
Like this:
Of Democrats could get a shot of 70k Obama fans braving a 20% chance of rain just to see him, they would. Believe that.— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) September 5, 2012
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:53:04am |
re: #454 darthstar
Well, Michelle did write her own speech and she is a smart woman. She also knows that people respond better when you treat them like they're intelligent human beings, and not just simple idiots you need to convince to vote.
The First Lady's speech Tuesday was written at a 12th grade level - the highest in history among the wives of presidential nominees and far above Ann Romney's lowest mark of a 5th grade level
Although her husband has delivered some of the simplest State of the Union speeches over the last 75+ years - with all three written at an eighth grade level - Michelle Obama did not follow rhetorical suit on Tuesday evening.One week after Ann Romney set a record for delivering a speech written at the lowest grade level in convention history by the wives of presidential nominees, Michelle Obama delivers a speech written at the highest ever grade level.
[Link: blog.lib.umn.edu...]
Interesting stuff.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:53:05am |
re: #475 Dark_Falcon
I know. But the term "fully loaded" when applied to an AKM often means the rifle has been fitted out with accessories such as optical sights or an M1913 rail system in place of the normal handguard/forward grip.
I have no idea. He brought an AK-47 and it allegedly jammed. One person was killed at the scene and it looks like may have even started a fire (arson).
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:54:37am |
Can we get a moratorium on #Nazi comparisons by both parties?Perhaps they should have to run comparisons by a #historian (or #factchecker)— Dr. Waitman Beorn (@waitmanb) September 5, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:55:11am |
re: #427 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Nothing like a monsoon and delayed trains to wreck the AM rush hour. Anyhow, I see that there are quite a few reports indicating that hotels kicked out homeless people to make space available to DNC visitors. That follows reports yesterday that some Charlotte hotels were not much more than hovels and drug dens.
Isn't that a function of the market at work? After all, the hotels are trying to make a bunch of money on the convention, and they can jack up the rates to maximize their profits, even if it means kicking out people who might otherwise be homeless. The DNC had nothing to with that - it's businesses being businesses.
Then again, you would think that the same businesses wouldn't want to be associated with drug deals and other criminal activities. Apparently some are willing to turn a blind eye on that front.
There appear to be lots of problems with the hotels out there.
Dirty hotel rooms reflect badly on Queen City
Rooms damaged at Blake Hotel where CA delegates will be staying
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:55:18am |
re: #473 Tommy's cone of shame
we all know Bush started it
If talking about who signed off on ending the shuttle program then yes, Bush signed it. I went round and round with inlaws about that. Them complaining that Obama had ended the shuttle program until I found for them that Bush had set that in motion years before (Jan. 2004), but never funded anything to take its place.
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:55:55am |
re: #473 Tommy's cone of shame
we all know Bush started it
I asked a question. Everything I've read in the past indicated that Obama increased NASA's funding every year. That's why I asked where he got his information.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:56:22am |
re: #478 Gus
I have no idea. He brought an AK-47 and it allegedly jammed. One person was killed at the scene and it looks like may have even started a fire (arson).
I'm not trying to trip you up, Gus. It's just that how someone selects and customizes a rifle will often tell you something about them. In this case, it may well say this guy didn't really know what he was doing at some point in his planning and thus his rifle system was flawed at some point, thus causing the jam.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:56:56am |
DERP OF THE DAY
Hey Demislamic party AKA The DNC drops Jews and Christians from their platform No surprise there ppl with brains know Obama is Muslim #tcot— Cool Hand Luke(@AmericanBand911) September 5, 2012
OK Bryan Fischer, top that! I know he'll try.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:58:12am |
re: #479 Gus
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You might remember Waitman Beorn. He was the "whistleblower" for the Marine SS flag incident.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:58:27am |
re: #485 Gus
Oddly quiet about this. I think this is rather big news and it's hardly getting much coverage here.
It happened in Canada.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:01:00am |
re: #480 NJDhockeyfan
There appear to be lots of problems with the hotels out there.
Dirty hotel rooms reflect badly on Queen City
Rooms damaged at Blake Hotel where CA delegates will be staying
National Review was quite right in pointing out that some of this problem is simply a size issue: Charlotte is the smallest city to host major party national convention since New Orleans held the DNC back in 1988. But New Orleans as a town catering to tourists has a great deal of hotel space, while Charlotte does not. There's a reason it's always bigger cities that host big conventions: Those are the places with enough hotel space for the attendees.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:02am |
re: #491 Dark_Falcon
National Review was quite right in pointing out that some of this problem is simply a size issue: Charlotte is the smallest city to host major party national convention since New Orleans held the DNC back in 1988. But New Orleans as a town catering to tourists has a great deal of hotel space, while Charlotte does not. There's a reason it's always bigger cities that host big conventions: Those are the places with enough hotel space for the attendees.
Doesn't Charlotte always get huge crowds for NASCAR? They should have been up to the task.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:43am |
re: #486 Learned Mother of Zion
What we have here is a failure to communicate think rationally.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:57am |
7.9 magnitude quake just reported off of costa rica.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:03:30am |
re: #491 Dark_Falcon
National Review was quite right in pointing out that some of this problem is simply a size issue: Charlotte is the smallest city to host major party national convention since New Orleans held the DNC back in 1988. But New Orleans as a town catering to tourists has a great deal of hotel space, while Charlotte does not. There's a reason it's always bigger cities that host big conventions: Those are the places with enough hotel space for the attendees.
They had plenty of time to clean up those hotels before the delegates arrived in town. All the bad press is only going to hurt them and Charlotte.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:03:30am |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:32am |
re: #492 Learned Mother of Zion
Doesn't Charlotte always get huge crowds for NASCAR? They should have been up to the task.
Big NASCAR events aren't more than a once or twice a year thing for any city, though. And some people going to such races use RVs so they don't need hotel space.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:40am |
re: #491 Dark_Falcon
National Review was quite right in pointing out that some of this problem is simply a size issue: Charlotte is the smallest city to host major party national convention since New Orleans held the DNC back in 1988. But New Orleans as a town catering to tourists has a great deal of hotel space, while Charlotte does not. There's a reason it's always bigger cities that host big conventions: Those are the places with enough hotel space for the attendees.
I have noticed a lowering of standards in the last year. Even in Hawaii. Wallpaper peeling that hasn't been repaired, dust on light fixtures, dirty walls and bathroom floor corners. I think I've been in 8-9 hotel rooms this year--all Marriott properties. I've also noticed that it takes nearly all day for the maid to get to our room. I assumed they've cut costs and have fewer maids --so each one has more rooms to do on a daily basis.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:41am |
re: #494 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
7.9 magnitude quake just reported off of costa rica.
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:51am |
re: #491 Dark_Falcon
National Review was quite right in pointing out that some of this problem is simply a size issue: Charlotte is the smallest city to host major party national convention since New Orleans held the DNC back in 1988. But New Orleans as a town catering to tourists has a great deal of hotel space, while Charlotte does not. There's a reason it's always bigger cities that host big conventions: Those are the places with enough hotel space for the attendees.
They need to have the convention in Las Vegas. We have plenty of rooms.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:05:14am |
Fact checking the opening night of the Democratic convention
The Democrats launched their convention with a series of speeches that put the best possible gloss on the president’s economic record and took various shots at GOP nominee Mitt Romney. First lady Michelle Obama, who like Ann Romney gave a mostly personal testimonial about her husband, did not give us much material to fact-check. But here’s a round-up of other notable claims Tuesday evening.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:06:34am |
re: #497 Dark_Falcon
Big NASCAR events aren't more than a once or twice a year thing for any city, though. And some people going to such races use RVs so they don't need hotel space.
NASCAR patrons are different than Convention patrons. One is there for pleasure, the other for business. Very different services are needed.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:06:56am |
re: #495 NJDhockeyfan
They had plenty of time to clean up those hotels before the delegates arrived in town. All the bad press is only going to hurt them and Charlotte.
Not easy to do that. First you have to run the dealers and hookers off and keep them run off, which will cost you for police overtime. Then you have to pay the property owners to fix up their places; They won't do the repairs on their own, since the cost of repairs is more than they'd make in a sold-out week.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:25am |
I did catch a replay Mrs Obama's speech last night on the radio. Nice enough but not earth shattering. My leg did not tingle.
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:08:01am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
I did catch a replay Mrs Obama's speech last night on the radio. Nice enough but not earth shattering. My leg did not tingle.
Gee, I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:08:47am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
I did catch a replay Mrs Obama's speech last night on the radio. Nice enough but not earth shattering. My leg did not tingle.
It will tomorrow night ;)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:09:01am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
I did catch a replay Mrs Obama's speech last night on the radio. Nice enough but not earth shattering. My leg did not tingle.
You're trolling again. That post seems calculated to provoke a hostile response.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:10:11am |
Three Alleged Occupy Bridge Bombers Plan Guilty Pleas
Three twenty-somethings affiliated with an Occupy movement protest in Cleveland and who were arrested in May for allegedly planning to bomb a bridge will likely plead guilty in federal court on Wednesday afternoon.
An FBI sting earlier this year nabbed five individuals affiliated with Occupy Cleveland who allegedly plotted to use C-4 explosive on an Ohio bridge during a “May Day” protest. One of the five, Anthony Hayne, has already pled guilty.
Three of the others charged in the plot — 20-year-old Brandon Baxter, 20-year-old Connor Stevens and 26-year-old Douglas Wright — have change-of-plea hearings scheduled for Wednesday, as first reported by the Associated Press. The fifth suspect, 23-year-old Joshua Stafford, is undergoing a court-ordered competency evaluation, court records show.
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:11:35am |
re: #507 Dark_Falcon
You're trolling again. That post seems calculated to provoke a hostile response.
It's so obvious that it's not even worth responding to in a hostile manner. It's really too bad because I used to be interested in what KT had to say because he actually said something of substance. Now? Meh.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:12:09am |
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:12:20am |
re: #470 Sionainn
2010 budget = $18.7B
2012 budget = $17.8B
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:12:35am |
Looks like The Donald's Twitter has been hacked:
Very good speech by @michelleobama--and under great pressure--Dems should be proud!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 5, 2012
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:29am |
Factcheck.org: Democratic Disinformation from Charlotte
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:38am |
re: #511 Big Steve
Maybe more money was needed for the mars rover mission?
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:14:19am |
re: #513 Killgore Trout
Factcheck.org: Democratic Disinformation from Charlotte
Disinformation!!!111ty That's so Alex Jonesy.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:15:30am |
So I've been ignoring the convention some more. Did I miss anything earth-shattering?
I feel like I'm more politically interested than nearly anyone I know, but this theater generally does not interest me.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:06am |
re: #510 Killgore Trout
Is that Obama's speech?
If he can make Chris Matthews' leg tingle, it could happen to anyone :)
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:42am |
re: #514 Amory Blaine
Maybe more money was needed for the mars rover mission?
Mars rover is included in overall NASA budget
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:17:50am |
re: #511 Big Steve
2010 budget = $18.7B
2012 budget = $17.8B
Has a budget even been passed for this year for NASA? I can't find it. I know that Obama has asked for budget cuts in 2013. I'm not sure what people want him to do...first, the government spends too much money and needs to make massive budget cuts, but when cuts are made, the whining begins. What would you suggest?
ETA: I personally don't think that any cuts should be made in NASA or any other scientific endeavor.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:18:20am |
Derp.
If #MittRomney truly believed in freedom, he would abolish the Federal Reserve, the #NDAA and the #PatriotAct. #FAIL #EndTheFed #OWS— Canary Organization (@CANARYorg) September 5, 2012
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Interesting Times Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:18:46am |
re: #515 Gus
Disinformation!!!111ty That's so Alex Jonesy.
And once again I have to post the big-picture perspective:
Republicans are lying about climate change, lies that, if acted upon, will destroy global agriculture precisely at the time when there are billions more mouths to feed - to say nothing of the terrible displacement that will result due to some areas flooded out, and others dried up by drought.
In light of this fact, I am completely out of fucks to give re any Democratic misbehavior. It's a priorities thing.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:55am |
7.6 quake in Costa Rica; tsunami watches posted for Central America coastal regions, and Hawaii. Other warnings/watches may be posted.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:59am |
re: #520 Gus
Derp.
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Canary Organization? Where's Sylvester the cat when you need him?
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:55am |
re: #512 Learned Mother of Zion
Either that or his hair has gained control. /
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:22:18am |
re: #516 erik_t
So I've been ignoring the convention some more. Did I miss anything earth-shattering?
I feel like I'm more politically interested than nearly anyone I know, but this theater generally does not interest me.
Yeah, same here. I perused the Platforms and bookmarked them.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:22:50am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
Weak weak weak troll. Please try again.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:21am |
Wingnuts seethe over the 16Trillion national debt but they don't explain how more tax breaks for billionaires is going to help with that.
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Interesting Times Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:50am |
Expect even more RWNJ Twittderp™ around this time:
Practicing my speech for tonight... Tune in during the 9:00 hour EST. #DNC2012— Sandra Fluke (@SandraFluke) September 5, 2012
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:15am |
re: #519 Sionainn
Has a budget even been passed for this year for NASA? I can't find it. I know that Obama has asked for budget cuts in 2013. I'm not sure what people want him to do...first, the government spends too much money and needs to make massive budget cuts, but when cuts are made, the whining begins. What would you suggest?
My issue isn't cutting the NASA budget when all government is taking a hair cut. I would be accepting of that. My issue is that in 2009, when all programs were getting stimulus money, the President was requiring an underlying cut from NASA. So NASA eliminated most of the work on the Constellation booster rocket program. So NASA and NASA contractors actually started having lay-offs in 2009. I would add that the current administration decided to give the four shuttles away and chose NY city and Los Angeles as homes and purposefully did not chose Clear Lake, Texas the very home of mission control. Of the Challenger/Columbia accidents, 12 out of the 14 astronauts killed lived in Clear Lake or surrounding communities yet the administration did not find the Houston area deserving of retaining one of shuttles.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:19am |
re: #509 Sionainn
It's so obvious that it's not even worth responding to in a hostile manner. It's really too bad because I used to be interested in what KT had to say because he actually said something of substance. Now? Meh.
Yeah, ever since he got scared of the reds under his bed during OWS it's been all downhill. Pity really.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:49am |
Wasserman Schultz Comments Draw Denial from Israeli Ambassador
CHARLOTTE, N.C. – For the last two years, Democrats have worked hard to dispel the impression that their party is losing its traditional hold on Jewish voters because of the chilly relationship between President Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and the efforts of Republicans, including Mitt Romney, to cultivate Israeli leaders.
Now, Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, has drawn a sharp denial from Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Michael B. Oren, after claiming that he had accused Republicans of endangering Israel by criticizing Mr. Obama’s record. Ms. Wasserman Schultz made her comments at a training session for Jewish Democrats at the Democratic National Convention.
According to The Washington Examiner, which first reported the comments, Ms. Wasserman Schultz said that Republicans were trying to drive a wedge between Jewish voters and Mr. Obama by distorting and mischaracterizing his record on Israel. “We know, and I’ve heard no less than Ambassador Michael Oren say this, that what the Republicans are doing is dangerous for Israel,” she said.
In his statement, Mr. Oren said: “I categorically deny that I ever characterized Republican policies as harmful to Israel. Bipartisan support is a paramount national interest for Israel, and we have great friends on both sides of the aisle.”
Derp.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:54am |
re: #530 William Barnett-Lewis
Yeah, ever since he got scared of the reds under his bed during OWS it's been all downhill. Pity really.
I'm more afraid of bed bugs than reds or creeping sharia.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:59am |
re: #515 Gus
Disinformation!!!111ty That's so Alex Jonesy.
Most of it's not too bad, some grey area stuff others not so much but that's what politics is all about. Getting reelected and advancing the agenda. The truth takes a back seat.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:25:50am |
re: #511 Big Steve
2010 budget = $18.7B
2012 budget = $17.8B
Some money has been shifted from NASA to a couple private space ventures to help replace what the shuttle was doing. Maybe that is why the numbers look that way. I would have to look further to be certain.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:28:01am |
re: #520 Gus
A sample of the insanity retweeted by the "Canary Organization". As the link contains Extremely Bad Craziness, I have included an excerpt:
Cokedale Colorado Town of 132 – Military Taken Over for Staging and Operations
Cokedale Colorado is a small town 8 miles west of Trinidad Colorado. Population 132 with about 50 houses. 5 military flat beds are parked there, having brought in 3-4 dozers, 2-3 graders, a couple of front end loaders, 6-8 dump trucks, a bobcat, a handful of hum v’s, and a tanker truck, probably for fuel. They arrived about 7-14 days ago.
SNIP
On Friday of last week, the gov, military, and banks said they are prepping for collapse. Tanks, APC’s, Troops, Hum V’s, Helicopters, Camps, Drones, and Checkpoints are being reported in cities across the nation. The Department of Homeland Security has just ordered another 750 million rounds of ammunition, for a total of 1.4 BILLION rounds in the past year. That’s enough ammo for our military to fight a 14 year war.
The crazies are getting even worse, I'm sorry to report.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:28:33am |
re: #533 Killgore Trout
Most of it's not too bad, some grey area stuff others not so much but that's what politics is all about. Getting reelected and advancing the agenda. The truth takes a back seat.
The fact checkers have it easy. They're constantly fact checking politicians.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:20am |
re: #536 Gus
The fact checkers have it easy. They're constantly fact checking politicians.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:31am |
re: #527 Learned Mother of Zion
Wingnuts seethe over the 16Trillion national debt but they don't explain how more tax breaks for billionaires is going to help with that.
Raising taxes on all millionaires wont make a bit of difference in bringing down that much debt. Sixteen trillion dollars is a shit load of money. I don't know if it will even pay the interest.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:41am |
re: #535 Dark_Falcon
A sample of the insanity retweeted by the "Canary Organization". As the link contains Extremely Bad Craziness, I have included an excerpt:
SNIP
The crazies are getting even worse, I'm sorry to report.
LOL Loonie tunes.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:30:00am |
re: #534 RayFerd
Some money has been shifted from NASA to a couple private space ventures to help replace what the shuttle was doing. Maybe that is why the numbers look that way. I would have to look further to be certain.
NASA is spending $1.6B with private space ventures over two years and this money is included in their budget, it is not coming from other agencies.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:30:22am |
re: #517 NJDhockeyfan
If he can make Chris Matthews' leg tingle, it could happen to anyone :)
I like Obama but I have to admit my enthusiasm has been blunted. Nice speeches and campaign commercials don't solve any problems. I'm not expecting much from Obama's second term. I have no idea what he has planned but I suspect not much is going to happen. Divided or Republican congress probably means gridlock and a few executive orders.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:30:59am |
re: #531 NJDhockeyfan
Wasserman Schultz Comments Draw Denial from Israeli Ambassador
Derp.
This part is true:
According to The Washington Examiner, which first reported the comments, Ms. Wasserman Schultz said that Republicans were trying to drive a wedge between Jewish voters and Mr. Obama by distorting and mischaracterizing his record on Israel.
“We know, and I’ve heard no less than Ambassador Michael Oren say this, that what the Republicans are doing is dangerous for Israel,” she said.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:32:16am |
re: #542 Gus
This part is true:
This part is a lie:
“We know, and I’ve heard no less than Ambassador Michael Oren say this, that what the Republicans are doing is dangerous for Israel,”
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:32:46am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
Raising taxes on all millionaires wont make a bit of difference in bringing down that much debt. Sixteen trillion dollars is a shit load of money. I don't know if it will even pay the interest.
It certainly doesn't seem to be doing much good for the economy out in the market. I'll be happy if government get's it for a few years.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:32:48am |
re: #413 Big Steve
again agreed......code words, exist for both campaign's to get to the sub-conscious of their followers and this year is no different. What I find different is that if one, here, is not a supporter of Obama then you are immediately attached to all of the lunatic side of the Republican party and it is assumed you support that as well. I personally am liberal socially. Support gay marriage, strongly support abortion being legal, think all guns should be tossed in a lake, and believe that social welfare programs have value. However, I have done the math and the deficit spending, in my humble opinion, will destroy this country in 14 years. I perfectly realize that the reason for deficit spending is on both parties but the Republicans are the only ones willing to face it fully. I also get weary of the Presidents constant willingness to go to the class card on this issue. Last year I cleared $250k for the year and I paid $84k in income taxes. I am not some rich asshole who is gaming the system and skating by and I just wish the President would lay off.
1. Big Steve has done the math. Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman has done the math. I'm going to need to flip a coin here . . . .
2. The Republicans are making a campaign issue of it. I won't believe they have any intention of actually facing it until they allow tax increases back into the discussion.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:33:37am |
re: #541 Killgore Trout
I like Obama but I have to admit my enthusiasm has been blunted. Nice speeches and campaign commercials don't solve any problems. I'm not expecting much from Obama's second term. I have no idea what he has planned but I suspect not much is going to happen. Divided or Republican congress probably means gridlock and a few executive orders.
I'll be happy if the Christian Taliban is defeated. A message from the voting public needs to be made if we are going to continue to have a viable 2 party system.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:34:38am |
re: #543 Gus
So I give Wasserman Schultz a half-true on this. ;)
I'm not so generous. The ambassador denies making the comment attributed to him. The Israelis are careful to not become a partisan issue so it stands to reason he's not going to bad mouth one party to the head of the opposition party. I think she was lying.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:08am |
re: #547 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
2. The Republicans are making a campaign issue of it. I won't believe they have any intention of actually facing it until they allow tax increases back into the discussion.
'Face it fully' means 'spend even more and cut taxes'.
Weird world we live in, apparently.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:20am |
I keep hearing that the rich don't have enough money. So we should get it from people who have less? Personally I don't give a shit how much they "feel" they don't have. Facts are facts. They have the money, they should pay the taxes. They should have lobbied George Bush harder to not cut taxes after starting two wars.
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:25am |
re: #529 Big Steve
My issue isn't cutting the NASA budget when all government is taking a hair cut. I would be accepting of that. My issue is that in 2009, when all programs were getting stimulus money, the President was requiring an underlying cut from NASA. So NASA eliminated most of the work on the Constellation booster rocket program. So NASA and NASA contractors actually started having lay-offs in 2009. I would add that the current administration decided to give the four shuttles away and chose NY city and Los Angeles as homes and purposefully did not chose Clear Lake, Texas the very home of mission control. Of the Challenger/Columbia accidents, 12 out of the 14 astronauts killed lived in Clear Lake or surrounding communities yet the administration did not find the Houston area deserving of retaining one of shuttles.
I've got to run and get some work done so didn't have a bunch of time to research this completely, but just based on the Wiki page, there were some very good reasons to cut the Constellation program. I did find it interesting the quote from Obama, the "private market hater," in that link.
As to where the shuttles were sent to:
“We want to thank all of the locations that expressed an interest in one of these national treasures,” Bolden said. “This was a very difficult decision, but one that was made with the American public in mind. In the end, these choices provide the greatest number of people with the best opportunity to share in the history and accomplishments of NASA’s remarkable space shuttle program.
“These facilities we've chosen have a noteworthy legacy of preserving space artifacts and providing outstanding access to U.S. and international visitors."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:55am |
The economy will get better when G-d is satisfied we are oppressing LGBT and denying Americans their Reproductive Rights --not killing zygotes?
It's not about the economy, it's about power.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:58am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
I'm not so generous. The ambassador denies making the comment attributed to him. The Israelis are careful to not become a partisan issue so it stands to reason he's not going to bad mouth one party to the head of the opposition party. I think she was lying.
Don't care. Her initial statement about Republicans using Israel as a wedge issue is a well known tactic.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:12am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
I'm not so generous. The ambassador denies making the comment attributed to him. The Israelis are careful to not become a partisan issue so it stands to reason he's not going to bad mouth one party to the head of the opposition party. I think she was lying.
She also lied about saying that lie.
Wasserman Schultz Attacks Paper For Misquoting Exactly What She Said
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:16am |
re: #545 NJDhockeyfan
This part is a lie:
I'd give it a "Mostly False" based on that. Mischaracterization of an opponent in order to draw voters away from him is normal partisan politics (not honest, but normal). Lying about an ambassador's words in order to discredit you opponent is outside the norms and rather dangerous to boot.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:37:15am |
re: #555 NJDhockeyfan
She also lied about saying that lie.
Wasserman Schultz Attacks Paper For Misquoting Exactly What She Said
So overall I give Wasserman Schultz my customary rating for her words:
Donk DERP.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:37:25am |
re: #555 NJDhockeyfan
She also lied about saying that lie.
Wasserman Schultz Attacks Paper For Misquoting Exactly What She Said
Gee. A newspaper misquoting something. That never happens either. And The Washington Examiner no less.
[Snores.]
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:38:28am |
re: #548 ggt
I'll be happy if the Christian Taliban is defeated. A message from the voting public needs to be made if we are going to continue to have a viable 2 party system.
A lot of people seem to feel that way but I think it only weakens the Dems to give them blind support, make excuses and give them a pass. A healthy party needs self criticism. See what happened to the Republicans when internal criticism and dissent is ignored in the interest of advancing the party's electoral progress. It's not good.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:38:28am |
re: #558 Gus
Gee. A newspaper misquoting something. That never happens either. And The Washington Examiner no less.
[Snores.]
She claims they misquoted her however the video shows she said exactly what they printed.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:38:49am |
re: #557 Dark_Falcon
So overall I give Wasserman Schultz my customary rating for her words:
Donk DERP.
Donk? Really?
Put on your big boy pants.
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blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:15am |
re: #533 Killgore Trout
Most of it's not too bad, some grey area stuff others not so much but that's what politics is all about. Getting reelected and advancing the agenda. The truth takes a back seat.
I dont recall you posting all the outright lies from the RNC...but maybe I missed it?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:09am |
re: #559 Killgore Trout
A lot of people seem to feel that way but I think it only weakens the Dems to give them blind support, make excuses and give them a pass. A healthy party needs self criticism. See what happened to the Republicans when internal criticism and dissent is ignored in the interest of advancing the party's electoral progress. It's not good.
Not blind support.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:11am |
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:58am |
Where was the outcry from the Chamber of Commerce lobby when we dangerously lowered taxes while borrowing money for two expensive invasions halfway across the globe? Irresponsible behavior in any credible historic context. Where was the outrage then?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:59am |
re: #558 Gus
Gee. A newspaper misquoting something. That never happens either. And The Washington Examiner no less.
[Snores.]
Gus, what RCP is saying is that Wasserman-Schultz is lying in her criticism of the Examiner. She's lying about what she said and attacking the paper for having reported her words correctly. That rates a "Pants on Fire" from me.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:41:18am |
re: #569 Dark_Falcon
Gus, what RCP is saying is that Wasserman-Schultz is lying in her criticism of the Examiner. She's lying about what she said and attacking the paper for having reported her words correctly. That rates a "Pants on Fire" from me.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:41:28am |
BREAKING: Obama's speech to move indoors
Charlotte, North Carolina (CNN) - After days of bad weather, President Barack Obama's re-election campaign and Democratic National Convention organizers have decided to change the venue of the president's acceptance speech Thursday in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Instead of holding the final night at the Bank of America stadium as planned, the event will move indoors to the Time Warner Cable arena, where the first two days of the convention have taken place.
| 572 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:41:30am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:18am |
re: #561 Gus
If it's in the audio then she did say it.
Yup, it's in the audio. She was not misquoted. Washingt9on examiner is a shitty source but it looks like the quote is accurate and she's lying about being misquoted. In fact, it seems her quote was scripted. She appears to be reading from a document. She knows what she said.
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blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:34am |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:43am |
re: #561 Gus
If it's in the audio then she did say it.
And a "Honest Man" Gold Star for Gus. He's already won the medal, so he now gets gold stars to wear on its ribbon.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:44am |
re: #574 Killgore Trout
Yup, it's in the audio. She was not misquoted. Washingt9on examiner is a shitty source but it looks like the quote is accurate and she's lying about being misquoted. In fact, it seems her quote was scripted. She appears to be reading from a document. She knows what she said.
Don't care.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:06am |
re: #566 ggt
Not blind support.
I've got my eyes wide open. And when I can plainly see that one party wants to toss me over the edge of a cliff, I'm going to turn to the party that's trying to pull me back onto solid ground.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:29am |
re: #407 Big Steve
agreed....obviously no one can say a single negative about the President around here without being accused of being a racist.
Complete fucking lie. I say lots of words against Obama-- that his green energy program is abysmally inadequate, that his continued criminilization of marijuana through federal attacks on state-licensed marijuana facilities is moronic.
And yet, I don't get called a racist.
In fact, I have almost never seen anyone around here called a racist for their opposition to Obama. What I have seen asserted is the very, very true statement that there are a lot of racists in this country and they're really unhappy about Obama being in the White House.
| 580 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:35am |
re: #571 NJDhockeyfan
The electrical charge from all those tingly legs could act like a lightening rod. Better safe than sorry.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:51am |
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:44:45am |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
The electrical charge from all those tingly legs could act like a lightening rod. Better safe that sorry.
Could use some magic underwear in those conditions.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:23am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
The Israelis are careful to not become a partisan issue .
This is false. Everything from giving awards to Glenn Beck, to sending Israeli officials to that goddamn Awakening event, Bibi's administration is making it very clear that they're on the GOP side in US politics.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:28am |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
The electrical charge from all those tingly legs could act like a lightening rod. Better safe that sorry.
Shoving Match Between Chris Matthews' Hecklers, MSNBC Producer Investigated at RNC (Video)
A fight broke out after two men shouted, "Hey Chris, how's that tingle up your leg?"
LOL!
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:46:03am |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
The electrical charge from all those tingly legs could act like a lightening rod. Better safe that sorry.
Clean energy. As long as it's not too far up the leg.
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blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:46:12am |
re: #580 Killgore Trout
The electrical charge from all those tingly legs could act like a lightening rod. Better safe than sorry.
Can you be any more petty or trollish?
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:47:26am |
re: #586 blueraven
Can you be any more petty or trollish?
Some post(er)s aren't worth one's time to read, never mind respond. Thank goodness for the mental killfile.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:47:43am |
Damn. All the anti-Dem links this morning. I think they're out numbering pro-Dem links.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:48:48am |
re: #588 Gus
like pissing on a forest fire if ya ask me. Bottom line is that last night the Dems made the RNC look like a funeral. They are showing they have a record to run on and are defending it.
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andres Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:49:41am |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
To aim hostile rhetoric at Hamas is not insulting Hamas, its calling them out as the assholes they are. One of the best things Mitt could do if elected would be to stop holding peace talks that have no real chance of getting anywhere due to Palestinian intransigence and Jew-hate.
Of course. But tarring a whole nationality because of their leaders is irresponsible. That's the point of my mea culpa.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:50:47am |
re: #583 Obdicut
This is false. Everything from giving awards to Glenn Beck, to sending Israeli officials to that goddamn Awakening event, Bibi's administration is making it very clear that they're on the GOP side in US politics.
This line is hilarious:
The Israelis are careful to not become a partisan issue.
Especially knowing how manipulative Bibi can be to hold his position.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:19am |
re: #583 Obdicut
This is false. Everything from giving awards to Glenn Beck, to sending Israeli officials to that goddamn Awakening event, Bibi's administration is making it very clear that they're on the GOP side in US politics.
Seems Bibi likes a strong military --it's is thing. no?
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:37am |
re: #579 Obdicut
Complete fucking lie. I say lots of words against Obama-- that his green energy program is abysmally inadequate, that his continued criminilization of marijuana through federal attacks on state-licensed marijuana facilities is moronic.
And yet, I don't get called a racist.
In fact, I have almost never seen anyone around here called a racist for their opposition to Obama. What I have seen asserted is the very, very true statement that there are a lot of racists in this country and they're really unhappy about Obama being in the White House.
Actually agree with you and did clarify earlier. However if one does show support for Mitt Romney, here, you get accused of agreeing with every crack-pot republican as well.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:42am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:01am |
re: #589 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
like pissing on a forest fire if ya ask me. Bottom line is that last night the Dems made the RNC look like a funeral. They are showing they have a record to run on and are defending it.
GOP looked a bit anemic, IIRC.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:06am |
Elizabeth Warren and Bill Clinton tonight.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:40am |
re: #590 andres
Of course. But tarring a whole nationality because of their leaders is irresponsible. That's the point of my mea culpa.
But the Palestinians as a people are to blame for their intransigence. It's not just the leadership, its everyone who drinks from the fountain of Jew-Hate and self-pity.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:53:12am |
re: #588 Gus
It's the morning. For as long as I've been at LGF, it's been a time for furtive spillage of sketchy positions.
I do love that FactCheck.org rates a claim by the Democrats that Romney will raise taxes on the middle class as 'false' because his plan is so lacking in substance and fact that no claims can really be made about it. That's frickin' hilarious. All you have to do is come up with an impossible plan that doesn't connect to reality, but 'promise' not to do things and your word is taken as true.
Here's a thought: If someone has a plan that wouldn't actually work even on paper, then that plan is the problem, not the math of people criticizing it.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:10am |
re: #596 Amory Blaine
Elizabeth Warren and Bill Clinton tonight.
I will tune in for Bill.....he has and will likely always be my favorite President. Without stating my age, I always thought of Bill as representing my generation well and that no matter what happened while in office, he would view things similarly to the way I would have.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:35am |
re: #593 Big Steve
Actually agree with you and did clarify earlier. However if one does show support for Mitt Romney, here, you get accused of agreeing with every crack-pot republican as well.
Well, if the shoe fits . . . .
There are crack-pot Republicans and the non-insane, but woefully slow to realize that change has happened Conservatives.
Many still the think they are part of the GOP of William Buckley and won't realize the John Birch Society has taken over for another 10 years.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:40am |
re: #593 Big Steve
Actually agree with you and did clarify earlier. However if one does show support for Mitt Romney, here, you get accused of agreeing with every crack-pot republican as well.
I'd say you get accused of agreeing with the crackpot GOP mainstream. Have you read the GOP party planks, and do you see how extreme they are? Language about a return to the gold standard, criminalzation of all abortion, destruction of environmental safety laws, etc. etc.?
I am really confused why it's unfair to criticize people supporting the GOP nominee for president for supporting the positions the GOP.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:14am |
re: #599 Big Steve
I will tune in for Bill.....he has and will likely always be my favorite President. Without stating my age, I always thought of Bill as representing my generation well and that no matter what happened while in office, he would view things similarly to the way I would have.
Interesting. How has Obama's policies been different?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:57:36am |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:36am |
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:54am |
re: #601 Obdicut
I'd say you get accused of agreeing with the crackpot GOP mainstream. Have you read the GOP party planks, and do you see how extreme they are? Language about a return to the gold standard, criminalzation of all abortion, destruction of environmental safety laws, etc. etc.?
I am really confused why it's unfair to criticize people supporting the GOP nominee for president for supporting the positions the GOP.
Did you hear Rahm Emanuel get interviewed after his speech last night. Someone asked him about the Jerusalem thing in the platform and he said something to the effect "in all my years in politics, I have never once read the party platform." I vote for the person, not the party. I doubt any President ever looks at their party platform once in office.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:59:55am |
re: #596 Amory Blaine
Elizabeth Warren and Bill Clinton tonight.
I'm going to miss that. NFL season starts tonight with the Giants and Cowboys.
Go Cowboys!
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:00:04am |
re: #605 HappyWarrior
Kapo? Stay classy, Pam.
Everybody is a Jewicidal Kapo except for Pam and her minions.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:00:56am |
re: #610 Learned Mother of Zion
Everybody is a Jewicidal Kapo except for Pam and her minions.
Yeah, I've noticed that. Really she needs to stop comparing people Jewish and non Jewish alike that she disagrees with to Nazis or Nazi collaborators. It fucking disrespects the dead.
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Interesting Times Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:25am |
re: #608 Big Steve
Republicans gut funding for life-saving weather warning satellites. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for that.
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:47am |
re: #608 Big Steve
Did you hear Rahm Emanuel get interviewed after his speech last night. Someone asked him about the Jerusalem thing in the platform and he said something to the effect "in all my years in politics, I have never once read the party platform." I vote for the person, not the party. I doubt any President ever looks at their party platform once in office.
Never mind the platform. Just look what so many Republican loons spew from their own mouths. Yes, I'm going to accuse you of supporting that stuff by voting for the man at the top of their candidate list. Sorry, but I only do so because it's true.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:49am |
re: #603 Mocking Jay
Interesting. How has Obama's policies been different?
Didn't say they were different and didn't say I wouldn't listen to President Obama's speech Thursday either. I just liked Bill Clinton that's all.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:54am |
re: #608 Big Steve
I vote for the person, not the party. I doubt any President ever looks at their party platform once in office.
That's a really fucking bizarre statement, I'm sorry. You really think that the policies of the GOP and the fact that Romney is the nominee of the GOP have no relation?
Okay, how about Romney saying he'd be delighted to sign a bill banning all abortion in the US? That puts Romney squarely in the crazy GOP crackpot camp, anyway. And you don't need to refer to the GOP plank. That's Romney on his own, wanting to criminalize all abortion.
Why complain about him being lumped in with the crazy crackpots when he has crazy crackpot positions like criminalizing all abortion?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:58am |
I think I like the Chinese, Middle Kingdom version best. Better than turtles . .
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:02:33am |
re: #612 Interesting Times
Republicans gut funding for life-saving weather warning satellites. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for that.
Thank you for proving my point.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:07am |
re: #611 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I've noticed that. Really she needs to stop comparing people Jewish and non Jewish alike that she disagrees with to Nazis or Nazi collaborators. It fucking disrespects the dead.
Godwin honey badger don't give a shit.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:08am |
re: #614 Big Steve
Didn't say they were different and didn't say I wouldn't listen to President Obama's speech Thursday either. I just liked Bill Clinton that's all.
Yeah on health care which is something Bill wanted to do but couldn't get done.
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:19am |
re: #611 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I've noticed that. Really she needs to stop comparing people Jewish and non Jewish alike that she disagrees with to Nazis or Nazi collaborators. It fucking disrespects the dead.
Pam is an equal opportunity disrespecter; dead, alive, and everything in between.
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gwangung Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:27am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:47am |
re: #620 wrenchwench
Pam is an equal opportunity disrespecter; dead, alive, and everything in between.
Pam is a cult leader wannabe.
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:53am |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:57am |
re: #617 Big Steve
Given that Romney will sign into law most anything the republicans send to him (at this point he has to with all his pandering) supporting him is supporting what they would do.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:04:03am |
re: #620 wrenchwench
Pam is an equal opportunity disrespecter; dead, alive, and everything in between.
Pam hates baby penguins.
//
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:31am |
re: #598 Obdicut
David Lee Roth claims his "education was never quite like this", that he's "got it bad, so bad", and is "hot for teacher". Our rating: half true
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:46am |
re: #617 Big Steve
Thank you for proving my point.
Congress has been chop, chop, chopping away at NOAA's budget.
Nicely in line with the platform, isn't it?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:52am |
re: #614 Big Steve
Didn't say they were different and didn't say I wouldn't listen to President Obama's speech Thursday either. I just liked Bill Clinton that's all.
Okay. Well, you said you really liked Bill, him being your fave and all, and I was just wondering what Obama had done that made him so different from Clinton.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:53am |
re: #615 Obdicut
That's a really fucking bizarre statement, I'm sorry. You really think that the policies of the GOP and the fact that Romney is the nominee of the GOP have no relation?
Okay, how about Romney saying he'd be delighted to sign a bill banning all abortion in the US? That puts Romney squarely in the crazy GOP crackpot camp, anyway. And you don't need to refer to the GOP plank. That's Romney on his own, wanting to criminalize all abortion.
Why complain about him being lumped in with the crazy crackpots when he has crazy crackpot positions like criminalizing all abortion?
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:06:39am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office.
Presidents have to deal with the worst Congress in a century once in office.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:18am |
It's true that most people don't pay attention to platforms but I damn well pay attention when its nominee who once boasted he would be more progressive on gay rights than Ted Kennedy is having his allies run an ad that accuse President Obama of "forcing" gay marriage, a man who went from talking about a relative of who died because of abortion's illegality and thus why he felt abortion should be safe, legal, and rare, and a man who had a health care accomplishment but then ran away from it because the president's bill was too close to what he did and he cared more about looking "severely conservative" than being proud that he did the right thing. A man who says of education that kids need all the education they can afford. Contrast that with the president who wants to make it easier for kids to afford college.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:50am |
re: #631 erik_t
Presidents have to deal with the worst Congress in a century once in office.
That we can all agree on!
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:08:39am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
Why? Romney said he would sign such a bill. Would you be disappointed because he told the truth for once?
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:10:16am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
Your level of disappointment would be nothing compared to a woman's level of disappointment.
Guantanimo is a much more benign issue than abortion: easier to make promises on, easier to break promises on. Abortion is a much more fundamental issue. Many don't make promises about abortion lightly.
Though Romney may get practical in office, those who take abortion control seriously may become emboldened making 'practicality' on abortion difficult.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:10:39am |
re: #628 erik_t
Congress has been chop, chop, chopping away at NOAA's budget.
Nicely in line with the platform, isn't it?
There looks to be some wasteful spending. I can see why Congress wants to cut some funding.
...Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., has repeatedly demanded accountability for NOAA Office of Law Enforcement abuses uncovered by the Commerce Department Inspector General that included the use of fishermen's fines to purchase a luxury boat that was only used for joyriding around Puget Sound.
There is currently another Inspector General investigation under way into the regional fishery management council rulemaking process that was requested last August by Massachusetts Reps. John Tierney and Barney Frank, both Democrats.
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blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:11:07am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
He is not a dictator...unfortunately most of his own party did not support him on this, much less any republicans.
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CarolJ Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:12:31am |
re: #597 Dark_Falcon
But there's also the real acts of oppression and mistreatment and the assumption that the Palestinians have to submit tamely while getting no equal rights. That they have to "go away" and not even hope to return and not complain about it.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:12:56am |
re: #637 NJDhockeyfan
There looks to be some wasteful spending. I can see why Congress wants to cut some funding.
The 2008 purchase wasn't illegal, according to the Commerce Department, but federal agents manipulated the acquisition process and misrepresented the urgency and need for the vessel.
[Link: seattletimes.com...]
2008. That would make it Bush's NOAA. :P
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:13:41am |
re: #640 Gus
The 2008 purchase wasn't illegal, according to the Commerce Department, but federal agents manipulated the acquisition process and misrepresented the urgency and need for the vessel.
[Link: seattletimes.com...]
2008. That would make it Bush's NOAA. :P
Ha!
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:14:30am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened.
He tried, and congress rebuffed him.
Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
Holy shit. Despite the GOP party position being banning all abortion, despite Romney saying he'd be delighted to sign a bill banning all abortion, despite the GOP unleashing a fucking barrage of state and federal bills designed to limit and restrict access to abortion and force women seeking abortion to undergo pointless and humiliating medical procedures, you somehow have still convinced yourselves they're not really serious about wanting to ban abortion.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:14:54am |
re: #636 Kronocide
Your level of disappointment would be nothing compared to a woman's level of disappointment.
Guantanimo is a much more benign issue than abortion: easier to make promises on, easier to break promises on. Abortion is a much more fundamental issue. Many don't make promises about abortion lightly.
Though Romney may get practical in office, those who take abortion control seriously may become emboldened making 'practicality' on abortion difficult.
All good points although, Gitmo does harken to a fundamental American belief in fair trials. For abortion I really don't think any sitting President really wants to deal with it and would do what ever they could to prevent a bill coming across their desk. The real worry is whole the sitting president appoints to the courts because that is where the real threat to abortion rights will come from.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:15:44am |
re: #644 Big Steve
All good points although, Gitmo does harken to a fundamental American belief in fair trials. For abortion I really don't think any sitting President really wants to deal with it and would do what ever they could to prevent a bill coming across their desk. The real worry is whole the sitting president appoints to the courts because that is where the real threat to abortion rights will come from.
The latter is as good reason if any then to oppose Romney. Knowing who his judicial adviser is.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:26am |
re: #644 Big Steve
For abortion I really don't think any sitting President really wants to deal with it and would do what ever they could to prevent a bill coming across their desk. The real worry is whole the sitting president appoints to the courts because that is where the real threat to abortion rights will come from.
!!!!!
Precisely how much pandering to the insane religious right do people like Romney and Ryan have to do before you think they're serious? If you don't trust them on that issue at this point, why do you trust them on anything at all? How are you, then, voting for the person instead of the party?
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:28am |
re: #640 Gus
That $300,000 worth of spending could obviously have been better spent elsewhere, but it's goddamn $300,000 worth of spending.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:32am |
Fact checking the fact checkers...
The bizarre rise of "fact checking" propagandists.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:36am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
A President who wanted to do something but was stymied by an uncooperative Congress != a President who has expressed strong support for what his party could be expected to do if it controlled Congress.
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blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:14am |
re: #644 Big Steve
All good points although, Gitmo does harken to a fundamental American belief in fair trials. For abortion I really don't think any sitting President really wants to deal with it and would do what ever they could to prevent a bill coming across their desk. The real worry is whole the sitting president appoints to the courts because that is where the real threat to abortion rights will come from.
True enough, but say Mitt won and had a majority senate and control of the house...a bill banning all abortion passes and comes to his desk. Will he veto it?
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:33am |
It's astonishing to see the knots people will tie their brain into in order to rationalize and justify a predetermined conclusion.
Up is down, black is white, dogs and cats living together.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:56am |
You know in the past, I thought the talk on abortion was all talk and maybe it was for those Republicans but listen since we've had Republicans elected to governorships in 2010. Hell my own state's governor, a man who campaigned as a moderate was all about to sign a bill that would force women who wanted to get abortions to get vaginal ultrasounds. He only backed out of that because Virginia women found out and went hard after him on that. But you know what he and many others are still trying to force women to get ultrasounds on what it is a recognized legal procedure. If Romney is elected, you're going to get a so-con agenda at the expense of everything else. Romney may not be a so-con personally but he can't afford to alienate them because one big slip up and he could be primaried.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:30am |
re: #608 Big Steve
Did you hear Rahm Emanuel get interviewed after his speech last night. Someone asked him about the Jerusalem thing in the platform and he said something to the effect "in all my years in politics, I have never once read the party platform." I vote for the person, not the party. I doubt any President ever looks at their party platform once in office.
I'm not voting for Romney because he constitutes a rubber stamp for the current Republicans in Congress (should they maintain anything like their current composition). He hasn't defined himself distinct from TPGOP objectives, and in fact has gone out of the way to avoid taking hard stances against their agenda. I have no reason to trust that he'd suddenly start showing a spine once in office.
Also, Ryan is a personhood nut and virulently anti-gay; I don't care if veeps has legislative power only in limited circumstances, I'm not giving it to him. And his budget is still a hollow shell with no actual content. Last I checked Romney has said he'd love to sign a blanket ban on abortion, so I've got no love for the two of them together being the executive.
I'm not any more impressed by his cadre of policy advisors on the campaign trail. Kris Kobach in particular is a screaming alarm, and that Romney has favors "self-deportation" as part of immigration issues is another you-lose-my-vote factor; it's the least efficient most expensive method of trying to enforce immigration.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:21:11am |
I know that you all may find this odd, but I believe that Romney is far more like the first G. Bush and a centrist. Frankly abortion is not my vote triggering issue, my taxes are. Either candidate, due to their party and need to be nominated by their base has do certain things. I am actually quite surprised (pleasantly) that President Obama got off his duff on gay marriage. I had thought that it would be a avoidance issue for him.
| 655 |
Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:21:56am |
re: #654 Big Steve
Does it bother you that Romney's tax plan doesn't make any sense, and that he's promised to completely blow up the deficit by massively increasing military spending?
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The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:22:00am |
re: #650 blueraven
True enough, but say Mitt won and had a majority senate and control of the house...a bill banning all abortion passes and comes to his desk. Will he veto it?
That law would contravene Roe V. Wade either way. Procedural question...could congress/the President actually pass a law that runs directly counter to established Supreme Court rulings? Obviously the SC strikes down lots of laws, but I've not heard of cases where a federal bill simply ignored a previous ruling.
| 657 |
dragonfire1981 Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:22:14am |
re: #651 erik_t
It's astonishing to see the knots people will tie their brain into in order to rationalize and justify a predetermined conclusion.
Up is down, black is white, dogs and cats living together.
Mass hysteria!
| 658 |
wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:22:32am |
re: #644 Big Steve
All good points although, Gitmo does harken to a fundamental American belief in fair trials. For abortion I really don't think any sitting President really wants to deal with it and would do what ever they could to prevent a bill coming across their desk. The real worry is whole the sitting president appoints to the courts because that is where the real threat to abortion rights will come from.
What's the difference between a vaginal probe law or a no-funding-to-Planned Parenthood law or a redefinition of when a pregnancy starts law (that one is Arizona) and a real threat to abortion rights?
| 659 |
makeitstop Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:23:49am |
re: #495 NJDhockeyfan
They had plenty of time to clean up those hotels before the delegates arrived in town. All the bad press is only going to hurt them and Charlotte.
By 'them,' do you mean the DNC?
I think 'they' had bigger things to do than clean hotel rooms.
| 660 |
wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:23:56am |
re: #652 HappyWarrior
You know in the past, I thought the talk on abortion was all talk and maybe it was for those Republicans but listen since we've had Republicans elected to governorships in 2010. Hell my own state's governor, a man who campaigned as a moderate was all about to sign a bill that would force women who wanted to get abortions to get vaginal ultrasounds. He only backed out of that because Virginia women found out and went hard after him on that. But you know what he and many others are still trying to force women to get ultrasounds on what it is a recognized legal procedure. If Romney is elected, you're going to get a so-con agenda at the expense of everything else. Romney may not be a so-con personally but he can't afford to alienate them because one big slip up and he could be primaried.
This.
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danarchy Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:06am |
re: #651 erik_t
It's astonishing to see the knots people will tie their brain into in order to rationalize and justify a predetermined conclusion.
Up is down, black is white, dogs and cats living together.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:21am |
re: #656 The Mongoose
That law would contravene Roe V. Wade either way. Procedural question...could congress/the President actually pass a law that runs directly counter to established Supreme Court rulings? Obviously the SC strikes down lots of laws, but I've not heard of cases where a federal bill simply ignored a previous ruling.
Yep. Happens all the time. A lot of the laws passed against abortion in the past four years are obviously unconstitutional based on previous rulings.
| 663 |
dragonfire1981 Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:23am |
re: #656 The Mongoose
That law would contravene Roe V. Wade either way. Procedural question...could congress/the President actually pass a law that runs directly counter to established Supreme Court rulings? Obviously the SC strikes down lots of laws, but I've not heard of cases where a federal bill simply ignored a previous ruling.
Can't a law be subject to a court challenge after being passed but before coming into effect?
| 664 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:40am |
re: #636 Kronocide
Your level of disappointment would be nothing compared to a woman's level of
disappointmentBLIND RAGE.
FTFY
| 665 |
wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:55am |
re: #653 The Ghost of a Flea
I'm not voting for Romney because he constitutes a rubber stamp for the current Republicans in Congress (should they maintain anything like their current composition). He hasn't defined himself distinct from TPGOP objectives, and in fact has gone out of the way to avoid taking hard stances against their agenda. I have no reason to trust that he'd suddenly start showing a spine once in office.
Also, Ryan is a personhood nut and virulently anti-gay; I don't care if veeps has legislative power only in limited circumstances, I'm not giving it to him. And his budget is still a hollow shell with no actual content. Last I checked Romney has said he'd love to sign a blanket ban on abortion, so I've got no love for the two of them together being the executive.
I'm not any more impressed by his cadre of policy advisors on the campaign trail. Kris Kobach in particular is a screaming alarm, and that Romney has favors "self-deportation" as part of immigration issues is another you-lose-my-vote factor; it's the least efficient most expensive method of trying to enforce immigration.
And all of this.
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blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:25:24am |
re: #656 The Mongoose
That law would contravene Roe V. Wade either way. Procedural question...could congress/the President actually pass a law that runs directly counter to established Supreme Court rulings? Obviously the SC strikes down lots of laws, but I've not heard of cases where a federal bill simply ignored a previous ruling.
The SC ruled on Roe v Wade as a privacy issue. If congress passes a person-hood type bill, that would be another case entirely. It would require the SC to rule on when life begins.
| 667 |
erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:25:25am |
re: #654 Big Steve
I know that you all may find this odd, but I believe that Romney is far more like the first G. Bush and a centrist.
'Believe' really is the right word, because you sure can't justify it with any sort of rational argument.
The GOP, as always, is more a tribe or a religion than a political party.
| 668 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:25:47am |
re: #659 makeitstop
By 'them,' do you mean the DNC?
I think 'they' had bigger things to do than clean hotel rooms.
Them = Hotels.
I hope the rooms were cleaned entirely before everyone got in to town or some of them will be carrying home a few bed bugs.
| 669 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:25:50am |
re: #654 Big Steve
I know that you all may find this odd, but I believe that Romney is far more like the first G. Bush and a centrist. Frankly abortion is not my vote triggering issue, my taxes are. Either candidate, due to their party and need to be nominated by their base has do certain things. I am actually quite surprised (pleasantly) that President Obama got off his duff on gay marriage. I had thought that it would be a avoidance issue for him.
Now there's something to be proud of.
| 670 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:14am |
re: #660 wrenchwench
This.
There are so many examples of newly elected Republican governors attacking the right to choose and pursuing an extreme so-con agenda. Why Romney gets the benefit of the doubt on this by some, I don't know because he's been appealing to those same so-cons for votes. He's not appealing to social moderates who are concerned about the economy. Sorry but when you have an ad done for you by Gary Bauer no less that accuses the president of "forcing" gay marriage on American, you're appealing to an extreme so con crowd.
| 671 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:32am |
re: #648 NJDhockeyfan
Fact checking the fact checkers...
I still prefer my own research. I don't think I've ever relied on the "fact-checkers" for anything other than email "urban legends" type stuff.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:58am |
Divorce, remarriage, affairs, kids out of wedlock--but Chuck's a "good" Christian because he loves guns and hates gays: wnd.com/2008/03/59697/— Dan Savage (@fakedansavage) September 5, 2012
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The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:27:00am |
re: #662 Obdicut
Yep. Happens all the time. A lot of the laws passed against abortion in the past four years are obviously unconstitutional based on previous rulings.
I know about the ones from the states. Haven't seen any federally (but that doesn't mean they haven't happened). Also, even the states seem to be trying to find ways around the ruling (parental consent, etc) rather than taking it on head-on ("all abortion is banned in the state of [insert state]"). I always assumed this was because they'd get beaten less easily in court.
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dragonath Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:27:10am |
re: #654 Big Steve
I know that you all may find this odd, but I believe that Romney is far more like the first G. Bush and a centrist. Frankly abortion is not my vote triggering issue, my taxes are.
Well he hasn't given any indication on the campaign trail.
At least you're honest that taxes are more important than civil rights for you.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:27:29am |
Robertson: Democrats the 'Party of Gays, Godlessness and Whatever Else'
Adding his voice to the faux-outrage that the 2012 Democratic National Platform, while having a section extolling religious faith as “a driving force of progress and justice throughout our history,” doesn’t include mentions of God, televangelist Pat Robertson on the 700 Club today skewered Democrats for representing only “gays, godlessness and whatever else.” “Same-sex marriage is in the platform, they want to go along with that as a right, I’m just astounded,” Robertson said.
Later in his commentary, Robertson said that after having “insulted” Catholics and labor unions, now the Democrats are “going after God, it makes no sense but that’s what they want to do.”
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:27:52am |
re: #669 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Now there's something to be proud of.
But, but, Clinton...?
Head scratching.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:17am |
re: #675 Kragar
Robertson: Democrats the 'Party of Gays, Godlessness and Whatever Else'
Beats Pat's party and Pat himself who said we deserved 9-11.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:36am |
re: #673 The Mongoose
The federal stuff hasn't gone through mostly because of the Democrats in the senate. But there's no fuctional thing in law-making preventing obviously unconstitutional laws from being passed.
And no, a lot of the state laws fuck around with the date that it's allowed at, which is going against the 'viability' law established by R. v. W.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:52am |
re: #639 CarolJ
But there's also the real acts of oppression and mistreatment and the assumption that the Palestinians have to submit tamely while getting no equal rights. That they have to "go away" and not even hope to return and not complain about it.
Their ancestors made their own decision to leave in 1948, and now Israel would be cutting its throat to allow the descendants to come to Israel to stay. They've been far too thoroughly radicalized for that to be safe.
The Palestinians can complain, but if they ever want a state then they need to face facts: Those in camps are not going to be "returning" to places like Jaffa, and the rest of the Palestinians will need to accommodate them, with funds made available by Israel and the US to help them do that. They may consider this a raw deal, but it is the only deal on that issue that will ever be on the table.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:55am |
it doesn't matter what mitt believes, the wingnut congress will walk all over him
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CarolJ Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:29:38am |
re: #617 Big Steve
What is it with Republicans and Science? I remember when scientific facts were considered politically neutral. I mean, there's no Democratic or Republican way to cure disease or predict the weather.
I think what happened was that when the evangelicals came into the party, their disdain for evolution infected the rest of the party. Because they can't acknowledge that humankind was older than 6 thousand years, they can't accept the rest of science. Add climate denial due to the power of the oil and coal lobby, and you have the mess of today.
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:29:51am |
re: #663 dragonfire1981
Can't a law be subject to a court challenge after being passed but before coming into effect?
One part of Arizona's SB1070 (written by Romney's adviser on immigration, Kris Kobach) was left standing because theoretically it could be carried out without violating someone's civil rights. There are now court cases saying that use of that part of the law has violated people's civil rights, so those people have standing to challenge it, and are doing so in lower courts now.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:29:53am |
re: #680 engineer cat
it doesn't matter what mitt believes, the wingnut congress will walk all over him
That is why you cannot vote for a Republican at any level. It just gives more leverage to the kooks at every other level.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:30:24am |
re: #680 engineer cat
One of the mostly sadly funny parts of this election has been the people who were so sure that Romney would bring the GOP back to the middle. Instead, he's now endorsing birtherism.
He is so not a leader. He doesn't do anything that displays the least amount of leadership. And he has absolutely no influence over the direction his party takes, apparently.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:30:48am |
There was a great story on NPR this morning. An unnamed GOP operative stated that this (Romney's) campaign would be the "last run this way." He explained that with the country becoming a minority majority within the next few years, the GOP knows that it has to diversify. But this election can only be won by Romney if he gets north of 60% of the white vote and this block is obviously aging against the mean demographic. However for now, they cannot over-rule its wishes. He thought that both Hispanic and Asian voters have a natural core conservatism in that there are more small business owners in that group but those groups have yet to the see the GOP offer them anything. He thought that balance would quickly move if the Democrats offered a white male candidate in four years. (So much for Biden's hopes). Anyway, just found it interesting.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:30:58am |
re: #658 wrenchwench
What's the difference between a vaginal probe law or a no-funding-to-Planned Parenthood law or a redefinition of when a pregnancy starts law (that one is Arizona) and a real threat to abortion rights?
EXACTLY! I can go out of the country for an abortion, women are already going to Mexico. But I don't want to go out of the country for my contraception. I don't want to evaluate what State I am willing to travel to or thru based on how I behave in the hotel room compared to their laws.
Abortion, for me, is no longer the central issue in The War on Women. A lot of the GOP doesn't get that.
I'm also tired of the Rhetoric about my rights. I've been bantered around and argued over as if I am a THING. You can tell by the Rhetoric who things women are human and who do not.
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:31:30am |
re: #666 blueraven
The SC ruled on Roe v Wade as a privacy issue. If congress passes a person-hood type bill, that would be another case entirely. It would require the SC to rule on when life begins.
Which is exactly the whole strategy behind the "Personhood movement". They think Roe v Wade left them a big loophole.
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bratwurst Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:31:55am |
re: #675 Kragar
Robertson: Democrats the 'Party of Gays, Godlessness and Whatever Else'
I am firmly in the "Whatever Else" camp!
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:25am |
re: #684 Obdicut
He is so not a leader. He doesn't do anything that displays the least amount of leadership. And he has absolutely no influence over the direction his party takes, apparently.
Remember all of that crowing from the right about being/acting/looking 'presidential'?
What ever happened to that?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:42am |
re: #684 Obdicut
One of the mostly sadly funny parts of this election has been the people who were so sure that Romney would bring the GOP back to the middle. Instead, he's now endorsing birtherism.
He is so not a leader. He doesn't do anything that displays the least amount of leadership. And he has absolutely no influence over the direction his party takes, apparently.
Yep. Really if there was a choice to bring the GOP to the middle, he wasn't running for president or he didn't have a chance- Jon Huntsman. Totally agree with you about Mitt not being a leader. He's an opportunist who will go with whatever he feels will make him look more palatable to the party.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:53am |
re: #654 Big Steve
I know that you all may find this odd, but I believe that Romney is far more like the first G. Bush and a centrist. Frankly abortion is not my vote triggering issue, my taxes are. Either candidate, due to their party and need to be nominated by their base has do certain things. I am actually quite surprised (pleasantly) that President Obama got off his duff on gay marriage. I had thought that it would be a avoidance issue for him.
Romney is going to say and do whatever will garner him votes and election. If being pro-abortion is what will work, then he'll be pro-abortion. I think his track record on this is pretty clear.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:53am |
re: #673 The Mongoose
I know about the ones from the states. Haven't seen any federally (but that doesn't mean they haven't happened). Also, even the states seem to be trying to find ways around the ruling (parental consent, etc) rather than taking it on head-on ("all abortion is banned in the state of [insert state]"). I always assumed this was because they'd get beaten less easily in court.
Another thing that keeps me voting (R) is Supreme Court nominations.
One of the major objective of anti-abortion groups is to change the composition of courts on both the state and federal level, with the brass ring being getting avowed pro-lifers on the Supreme Court.
And no, I don't think the inertia of precedent would slow down a cherry-picked, socon dominated court from overturning Roe.
Addendum: federal legislative attempts to change abortion law have been made...quite a few recently. The Sanctity of Human Life Act is the most prominent.
There's also the matter of the riders the (R)s in Congress have been putting in legislation that didn't get passed, which include attempts to back-end stuff that changes abortion access.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:34:28am |
re: #692 The Ghost of a Flea
Another thing that keeps me voting (R) is Supreme Court nominations.
Keeps you from voting (R)?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:34:48am |
Oh brother...another day, another Hitler/Nazi reference by a Democrat.
...S.C. Democratic Chairman Dick Harpootlian, never a loss for a quick quip, tossed a few stinging one-liners at the Wednesday delegation breakfast.
On Gov. Nikki Haley participating in daily news briefings in a basement studio at the NASCAR Hall of Fame: “She was down in the bunker a la Eva Braun.”
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:35:26am |
I have to be productive!
bbl
have a good one all!
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CarolJ Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:36:04am |
re: #644 Big SteveMy impression of Gitmo was that it was such a cluster that even if Congress had approved everything, it would still have to be open because the management of that under Bush was that bad. We would still be trying to sort out who and what and where and why. Not to mention how to manage those folks who simply cannot be let out-either because the torture was so bad, the circumstantial evidence so bad, because they are too sick or no place will take them. It might take three terms before everything was settled enough to finally close the place.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:36:15am |
re: #694 NJDhockeyfan
Oh brother...another day, another Hitler/Nazi reference by a Democrat.
I, for one, am really seeing a pattern here.
But it's not really a pattern of Democrats Goin' Godwin.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:36:21am |
re: #688 bratwurst
I am firmly in the "Whatever Else" camp!
I reject the term godless. I speak to several on a regular basis.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:36:45am |
my taxes are
the romney plan involves getting rid of middle class tax breaks to pay for lowering taxes on millionaires and corporations
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dragonath Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:38:02am |
Whee, let's all vote for the candidate who I perceive to support my vaguely parochial view on taxes.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:39:31am |
re: #697 erik_t
I, for one, am really seeing a pattern here.
But it's not really a pattern of Democrats Goin' Godwin.
I see what you did there...
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Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:40:46am |
re: #700 dragonath
Whee, let's all vote for the candidate who I perceive to support my vaguely parochial view on taxes.
Sure, the guy is going to fuck me 9 ways to tuesday, but hey, he mentioned something about taxes which he only refuted once or twice and doesn't match up with any of his other promises, but what the hell. Why not?
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makeitstop Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:40:49am |
re: #668 NJDhockeyfan
Them = Hotels.
I hope the rooms were cleaned entirely before everyone got in to town or some of them will be carrying home a few bed bugs.
Ah. Misunderstood.
I hate bedbugs.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:41:13am |
re: #697 erik_t
I, for one, am really seeing a pattern here.
But it's not really a pattern of Democrats Goin' Godwin.
No, he was wrong to say it. Nikki Haley has done nothing to be compared to Eva Braun.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:41:57am |
Poll: 1 in 5 say Eastwood was highlight of RNC(CBS News) At last week's carefully-planned Republican National Convention, it was Clint Eastwood's convention "surprise" speech that many viewers considered the event's main highlight, according to a new poll by the Pew Research Center.
According to the survey, conducted from August 31 to September 3, 20 percent of people who watched at least a little of the convention coverage cited Eastwood as the convention highlight - whereas 17 percent pointed to Romney. [...]
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:42:17am |
re: #700 dragonath
Whee, let's all vote for the candidate who I perceive to support my vaguely parochial view on taxes.
There is nothing vague nor parochial about my personal financial situation and my taxes.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:43:13am |
re: #694 NJDhockeyfan
That's stupid, and he should apologize.
Harpootlian is an awesome name though. Armenian maybe?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:43:22am |
re: #705 CuriousLurker
Beaten by a chair. Let's just hope no one in Charlotte comes out and argues with an empty suit.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:43:31am |
re: #704 Mostly sane, most of the time.
No, he was wrong to say it. Nikki Haley has done nothing to be compared to Eva Braun.
Of course he was. Such a statement should be retracted publicly and shamefully.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:44:28am |
re: #706 Big Steve
There is nothing vague nor parochial about my personal financial situation and my taxes.
Then can you address my question? Given that Romney's tax plan doesn't actually work on paper, what do you like about it? And given that he's promised to add trillions and trillions to the deficit by raising military spending, which will eventually have to be paid back via taxes, isn't he at least promising that we'll have to raise taxes in the future?
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:44:36am |
re: #697 erik_t
I, for one, am really seeing a pattern here.
But it's not really a pattern of Democrats Goin' Godwin.
Two wrongs...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:45:18am |
re: #694 NJDhockeyfan
Oh brother...another day, another Hitler/Nazi reference by a Democrat.
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:45:27am |
re: #707 Obdicut
That's stupid, and he should apologize.
Harpootlian is an awesome name though. Armenian maybe?
Sounds Armenian to me and yeah it's dumb. Like what I said about the guy comparing Ryan to Goebells. You can make your point about Ryan and in this case Haley without sounding like an idiot. I think my funniest observation of Nikki Haley is how often she brags about being a union buster in a state where unions were really never that big.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:15am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
Hey, did you happen to see this little bit last week where an old man yelled at a chair?
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:30am |
re: #648 NJDhockeyfan
Fact checking the fact checkers...
James Taranto is a big jerk. (That's the nice version.)
...No, it's more the former, because other writers have been bowing to the "fact checkers" as submissively as Barack Obama upon meeting some anti-American dictator....
Speaking of fact checking, what the hell is that?
...Conservative blogger Stacy McCain describes ...
Who the hell cares what Robert Stacy "League of the South" McCain says about anything? Only the most despicable wing nuts.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:42am |
re: #710 Obdicut
Then can you address my question? Given that Romney's tax plan doesn't actually work on paper, what do you like about it? And given that he's promised to add trillions and trillions to the deficit by raising military spending, which will eventually have to be paid back via taxes, isn't he at least promising that we'll have to raise taxes in the future?
or should I vote for the candidate who personally goes out of his way to single out people in my income level as shirkers who need to pay even more.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:44am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
You could do the same thing with many Republican officials as well DF because hysteria is a bipartisan disease. Really, barely anyone is going to vote against the Democratic Party because of some idiot in South Carolina comparing Nikki Haley to Eva Braun. Most people don't even know who the hell she is.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:46am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
Someone call up NASA, we found a replacement mirror for Hubble.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:49am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
It will be hard to throw that mote with that giant beam on their shoulder.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:47:04am |
re: #714 Mocking Jay
That's the beauty of attack ads: They only say what the other side did wrong.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:48:32am |
re: #706 Big Steve
There is nothing vague nor parochial about my personal financial situation and my taxes.
well, your taxes will be lower under obama tham romney
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Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:49:25am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
You really want that done, given all the Republican Godwinians?
| 723 |
erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:49:27am |
| 724 |
blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:49:46am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
Oh please. Yes they need to be condemned and called out. But the other side has hurled much worse toward Obama. Glenn Beck did it daily on a Fox News channel, so spare me.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:50:01am |
re: #717 HappyWarrior
You could do the same thing with many Republican officials as well DF because hysteria is a bipartisan disease. Really, barely anyone is going to vote against the Democratic Party because of some idiot in South Carolina comparing Nikki Haley to Eva Braun. Most people don't even know who the hell she is.
Not just that one but there have been three of them the past week. A few more will certainly generate enough for a commercial.
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makeitstop Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:50:14am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
These need to be formed into a TV ad and hurled at the Dems by a Super PAC. It can be used to make the case that the Dems are being hysterical at the idea of losing and are irrational about their opponents.
Yeah, go ahead and try to make the case that Obama is 'hysterical' and/or 'irrational.'
Good luck with that.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:50:30am |
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Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:50:42am |
re: #716 Big Steve
or should I vote for the candidate who personally goes out of his way to single out people in my income level as shirkers who need to pay even more.
If the shoe fits...
Good on you if it doesn't fit you.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:50:50am |
| 730 |
Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:51:00am |
re: #630 Big Steve
Look.....President Obama campaigned hard that he would close Guantanamo Bay as a prison as his first act. Guess what.....still hasn't happened. Presidents become far more practical once in office. IF a ban on abortion bill ever did get passed, and IF Romney signed it, then I would be seriously disappointed in the man.
Didn't he need to get Congress' support for that? Why yes, I think he did!
...and I have to give you a huge WTF with regard to your last sentence. See, I, and most people I know, aren't willing to take a chance of that happening. Sorry, but rights for women to have control over their bodies is not something to hope doesn't get taken away. You'll be "disappointed" if that happens?!? I get disappointed in my kid when she does something she knows she shouldn't do. Taking away women's rights is a whole hell of a lot more important than that!
| 731 |
dragonfire1981 Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:51:16am |
re: #720 Dark_Falcon
That's the beauty of attack ads: They only say what the other side did wrong.
That's pretty much the basis for the entire GOP election strategy right there.
| 732 |
Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:51:36am |
Fact-Checker Claims Romney Won’t Raise Taxes On The Middle Class Because ‘He Has Promised He Won’t’
FactCheck.org is right that Romney’s plan “doesn’t necessarily” raise taxes on the middle class, but it is absurd to base that conclusion on the candidate’s promises. Romney has, indeed, promised not to raise taxes on the middle class. But he has also promised that his tax plan will maintain current revenue levels.
Those promises, by any measure, are totally incompatible, something the Tax Policy Center study made abundantly clear when it found that Romney couldn’t possibly raise enough revenue to maintain current revenue levels by closing tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy. Thus, Romney’s plan will either add to the deficit or raise middle-class taxes, unless he forgoes his 20 percent rate reduction altogether.
Add in TPC’s updated study of Romney’s corporate tax plan, which the campaign clarified won’t use revenue gained from closing loopholes to offset revenue losses from his income tax cut, and it becomes even more likely that the middle class will see its taxes increase under Romney.
If Romney keeps his promise to maintain current tax levels for the middle class, he’ll have to break his promise to maintain current revenue levels. If Romney keeps his promise to maintain current revenue levels, he’ll have to substantially raise taxes on the middle class. Either way, if Romney becomes president and his tax plan becomes law, one of the promises will have to be broken, an obvious fact that FactCheck.org decided not to include in its analysis of Castro’s speech.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:51:40am |
re: #725 NJDhockeyfan
Not just that one but there have been three of them the past week. A few more will certainly generate enough for a commercial.
Yeah because Republican officials have only nice things to say about Obama and have never compared him to Hitler. Get a frigging grip. Both parties suck when it comes to their perspectives about the Third Reich and you and I both know that.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:52:25am |
re: #733 HappyWarrior
Yeah because Republican officials have only nice things to say about Obama and have never compared him to Hitler. Get a frigging grip. Both parties suck when it comes to their perspectives about the Third Reich and you and I both know that.
Yes, but the beauty of attack ads is that you only have to show the Democrats saying it.
Things I have read here today.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:52:25am |
re: #716 Big Steve
or should I vote for the candidate who personally goes out of his way to single out people in my income level as shirkers who need to pay even more.
Shirkers is your own personal interpretation. But yes, strangely enough when you want to raise tax revenue it's generally for the best to actually get the revenue from people with more income and wealth, because it hurts the general economy less. When you take more money from the poor and middle class, you stymie a lot of entrepreneurship, interfere with education, and in the end the burden returns to the government.
We need more tax revenue to pay for this kick-ass whole 'first world nation' thing we've got. We can continue to borrow, given that rates are so magnificently low at the moment, but we should raise taxes to at least lower the rate of deficit spending. I'd prefer getting towards budget-neutral as soon as the economy full recovers.
I'm willing to have my taxes raised, because the nation faces a lot of danger that can only be faced together. From repairing our failing infrastructure to energy research and development to combat global warming, most of the significant challenges facing mankind will require communal action more than individual initiative to solve.
One we get to an actual sustainable economy, rather than one based on exploitation of cheap fuel at the expense of destroying the environment, I think that we may be able to remarkably scale back government, but that's a ways off.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:52:26am |
re: #724 blueraven
Oh please. Yes they need to be condemned and called out. But the other side has hurled much worse toward Obama. Glenn Beck did it daily on a Fox News channel, so spare me.
Glenn Beck is not a politician. He's a kook. The Nazi quotes are from Democrat politicians.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:52:43am |
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did. When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist." Broun later clarified his statement by saying, "We can't be lulled into complacency. You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road.
Rep Paul Broun not long after Obama was elected.
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sagehen Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:52:57am |
re: #629 Mocking Jay
Okay. Well, you said you really liked Bill, him being your fave and all, and I was just wondering what Obama had done that made him so different from Clinton.
He eats healthy, he doesn't slut around, and Harvard Law vs Yale Law.
| 739 |
dragonath Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:53:59am |
I'll cut your taxes, and magically restore government solvency!
It's a spacejesus miracle
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:54:14am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Glenn Beck is not a politician. He's a kook. The Nazi quotes are from Democrat politicians.
Worse has been said about Obama by actual elected representatives and senators, rather than obscure chairs of state parties.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:54:40am |
And here's a tweet from a Republican candidate for Congress in Ohio
"History has a way of repeating itself: Stalin , Hitler, Mao Tse Tung and now Obama!!!"
One of these four is not like the other. But yeah please tell me that only Democrats have been Godwining. I fucking hate it when idiot politicians use the Nazis to make a cheap point and it doesn't matter which party does it.
| 742 |
Kragar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:55:02am |
NFL Donates $30 Million To Concussion Research For Players And Military Members
National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell announced this morning that the league is donating $30 million to the National Institutes of Health’s Neurology Institute to study concussions and related brain injuries in football players and members of the military, two groups who have been the subject of public safety scrutiny in recent years.
Goodell, joined by NIH’s Dr. Story Landis and Army chief of staff Gen. Raymond Odierno, announced the grant in an interview about concussion research and head trauma on the Today show this morning:
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:55:44am |
re: #740 Obdicut
Worse has been said about Obama by actual elected representatives and senators, rather than obscure chairs of state parties.
Here's a handy list of various Obama-Hitler comparisons.
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Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:56:31am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Glenn Beck is not a politician. He's a kook. The Nazi quotes are from Democrat politicians.
Do you really want to play "they slag us worse than we slag them?" First, it's an idiot's game, counting moments of idiocy, and second, by sheer force of numbers, you'd lose badly.
| 745 |
blueraven Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:57:05am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Glenn Beck is not a politician. He's a kook. The Nazi quotes are from Democrat politicians.
I dont give a fuck. He was doing it daily (and still is) and nobody from the republican side said shit about it.
Anyone doing it should be condemned. Many republican politicians have called Obama a socialist, a communist and every name in the book, not to mention the birther thing.
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:57:12am |
re: #741 HappyWarrior
And here's a tweet from a Republican candidate for Congress in Ohio
"History has a way of repeating itself: Stalin , Hitler, Mao Tse Tung and now Obama!!!"
One of these four is not like the other. But yeah please tell me that only Democrats have been Godwining. I fucking hate it when idiot politicians use the Nazis to make a cheap point and it doesn't matter which party does it.
We should strive to be better than that. None of this is acceptable regardless of party origin. It's true that Obama's been compared to every dictator known to mankind but that doesn't make it right. We must rise above the this and not become like our enemies.
| 747 |
Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:57:46am |
re: #728 Coracle
If the shoe fits...
Good on you if it doesn't fit you.
Yes....I do make about $250k per year. Last year I paid $84k in federal income tax. I also paid slightly over $10k in SS. I had a combined payment of $15k in property taxes. I have two sons in college but was unable to deduct any of their college payments because my income was too high. I won't even bother to calculate how much I paid in sales tax for the year. So don't even FUCKING start with saying I am not paying my fair share. I am in the vortex of the alternative minimum tax because Congress passed a law in the 1970's when $200k per year put you in the top 10,000 earners in the country and has not bothered to changed the cut-off in like 40 damn years. YES this is an ISSUE to me and YES it does affect who I will vote for.
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dragonath Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:57:55am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Glenn Beck is not a politician. He's a kook. The Nazi quotes are from Democrat politicians.
Do you believe in Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism thesis?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:58:15am |
re: #743 erik_t
Here's a handy list of various Obama-Hitler comparisons.
It doesn't matter. All that matters is that a few democrats have said it so we can make ads that convince people that ALL donks think like this. Even though we ourselves are petty little tribal partisan hacks who let the downdings fly when people dare to make comments that make general statements about conservatives.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:58:22am |
re: #745 blueraven
I dont give a fuck. He was doing it daily (and still is) and no body from the republican side said shit about it.
Anyone doing it should be condemned. Many republican politicians have called Obama a socialist, a communist and every name in the book, not to mention the birther thing.
Does anyone listen to him anymore? I forgot he still had a radio show.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:58:34am |
re: #743 erik_t
That looks to be mostly journalists. I'm talking more about stuff like Santorum claiming this election was like the buildup to WWII, or Lindsey Graham calling Obama's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 'something out of the Stalinist era.'
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:58:41am |
re: #746 Gus
We should strive to be better than that. None of this is acceptable regardless of party origin. It's true that Obama's been compared to every dictator known to mankind but that doesn't make it right. We must rise above the this and not become like our enemies.
That's my point. I'm pointing out that you have people from both parties saying stupid shit.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:59:03am |
re: #732 Kragar
Fact-Checker Claims Romney Won’t Raise Taxes On The Middle Class Because ‘He Has Promised He Won’t’
Predictably, fact checkers are suddenly unpopular again once the Dems are being fact checked. Just a few days ago fact checking was all the rage but the bipartisan war on facts continues. The reaction is absurdly predictable.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:59:09am |
re: #748 dragonath
Do you believe in Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism thesis?
No, never heard of it.
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:59:22am |
re: #747 Big Steve
Congratulations! Mitt Romney's tax plan still doesn't make a lick of sense.
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The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:59:35am |
re: #735 Obdicut
The issue that some would take with this statement is that the US tax system is already surprisingly progressive (albeit in no small part because of massive income disparity). With the top 25% already paying 87% of the income taxes and large groups of adult Americans who pay no tax, the system takes far more from the rich and far less from the working poor than other countries (proportionally).
While the rich do pay more in places like Canada , so do the not-so-rich. Everyone pays sales tax (13% in Ontario) and almost everyone pays income tax too (before credits, the minimum income to start paying is around $9,000).
My point isn't that one system is better or worse, just that the US has reached a point where the top 25% of earners are paying almost everyone's share...not sure how much higher that can go.
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Sionainn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:59:42am |
re: #669 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Now there's something to be proud of.
Yep. Rights versus taxes and taxes win. It's disgusting.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:00:22am |
re: #747 Big Steve
Yes....I do make about $250k per year. Last year I paid $84k in federal income tax. I also paid slightly over $10k in SS. I had a combined payment of $15k in property taxes. I have two sons in college but was unable to deduct any of their college payments because my income was too high. I won't even bother to calculate how much I paid in sales tax for the year. So don't even FUCKING start with saying I am not paying my fair share. I am in the vortex of the alternative minimum tax because Congress passed a law in the 1970's when $200k per year put you in the top 10,000 earners in the country and has not bothered to changed the cut-off in like 40 damn years. YES this is an ISSUE to me and YES it does affect who I will vote for.
cri moar
| 759 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:01:54am |
In which the GOP buys a hashtag: #FailingAgenda
Seriously. They bought that.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:01:59am |
re: #743 erik_t
Here's a handy list of various Obama-Hitler comparisons.
Shit is all over the place. GWB had plenty of Hitler references from the left.
[Link: archive.democrats.com...]
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erik_t Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:02:05am |
We've got praise of attack ads, taxes over civil rights, 'bipartisan war on facts', and concern-trolling about how great the tax burden is becoming on the rich.
Fuck all this, I'll see y'all later.
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The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:02:43am |
re: #760 NJDhockeyfan
Shit is all over the place. GWB had plenty of Hitler references from the left.
[Link: archive.democrats.com...]
More than Obama or Romney will ever see, I'd think. This site was good at making mock of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:02:45am |
re: #726 makeitstop
Yeah, go ahead and try to make the case that Obama is 'hysterical' and/or 'irrational.'
Good luck with that.
No, I'm not saying that. The ad would say that "many Democrats" are acting hysterical and irrational. It wouldn't mention Obama. The target would be the Democratic Party, not its leader.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:03:17am |
re: #758 Mocking Jay
cri moar
LOL......that is exactly what my accountant says when she hands me my overdue tax bill each year!
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:04:18am |
re: #764 Big Steve
LOL......that is exactly what my accountant says when she hands me my overdue tax bill each year!
Okay. Upding for taking that in good humor.
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Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:04:52am |
re: #747 Big Steve
So you had a post-tax net income well over double national average pre-tax gross income? I feel bad for you.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:05:06am |
Eva Braun is such a weird comparison anyhow. From the little I know about her she wasn't even a NSDAP member. Not that makes the guy's comp right or proper but just weird. But then again I remember Ann Coulter comparing 9-11 widows to her too. Really, I think idiots from all sides need to read a fucking history book and realize who and what the Nazis were. I can't stand the Republican party in its current incarnation but they're not the Nazis. Not even close. You can make good points about them without looking like a historically insensitive idiot.
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The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:06:18am |
re: #767 HappyWarrior
Eva Braun is such a weird comparison anyhow. From the little I know about her she wasn't even a NSDAP member. Not that makes the guy's comp right or proper but just weird. But then again I remember Ann Coulter comparing 9-11 widows to her too. Really, I think idiots from all sides need to read a fucking history book and realize who and what the Nazis were. I can't stand the Republican party in its current incarnation but they're not the Nazis. Not even close. You can make good points about them without looking like a historically insensitive idiot.
This.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:07:36am |
re: #766 Coracle
So you had a post-tax net income well over double national average pre-tax gross income? I feel bad for you.
That is what the alternative minimum does for you. It is a rabbit punch to the kidney's from Nixon beyond the grave. If I made the same amount of money but a higher percentage in investment income or if I was married, it would be quite a bit lower.
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:08:24am |
re: #747 Big Steve
Taxation isn't about fairness. It's about what works. You have an after-tax income of at least $151,000, which is far, far more than most people ever make. Your college costs are trickier to determine, because if have two sons going at once that you're both paying for, your estimated family contribution will be lower and they'll receive grants and low-interest loans (thanks to the government, and thanks to taxes paid by other people).
The colleges they're going to are subsidized in many ways by the government, and the actual price of their education would be far higher if the government didn't subsidize them.
So, I'm sorry, but it's not going to impress anyone that after taxes you only have $151,000, which is an after-tax income that is about ten times higher than the US poverty line, a level at which millions and millions of US families live.
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BeenHereAwhile Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:08:54am |
re: #535 Dark_Falconre: #520 Gus
A sample of the insanity retweeted by the "Canary Organization". As the link contains Extremely Bad Craziness, I have included an excerpt:
Cokedale Colorado Town of 132 – Military Taken Over for Staging and Operations
Cokedale Colorado is a small town 8 miles west of Trinidad Colorado. Population 132 with about 50 houses. 5 military flat beds are parked there, having brought in 3-4 dozers, 2-3 graders, a couple of front end loaders, 6-8 dump trucks, a bobcat, a handful of hum v’s, and a tanker truck, probably for fuel. They arrived about 7-14 days ago.
SNIP
On Friday of last week, the gov, military, and banks said they are prepping for collapse. Tanks, APC’s, Troops, Hum V’s, Helicopters, Camps, Drones, and Checkpoints are being reported in cities across the nation. The Department of Homeland Security has just ordered another 750 million rounds of ammunition, for a total of 1.4 BILLION rounds in the past year. That’s enough ammo for our military to fight a 14 year war.
The crazies are getting even worse, I'm sorry to report.
Trinidad, Colorado:
[...] Our women from Trinidad they hauled some potatoes,
Up to Walsenburg in a little cart,
They sold their potatoes and brought some guns back,
And they put a gun in every hand.
The state soldiers jumped us in a wire fence corners,
They did not know we had these guns,
And the Red-neck Miners mowed down these troopers,
You should have seen those poor boys run.[...]
Ludlow Massacre
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:10:20am |
re: #753 Killgore Trout
Predictably, fact checkers are suddenly unpopular again once the Dems are being fact checked. Just a few days ago fact checking was all the rage but the bipartisan war on facts continues. The reaction is absurdly predictable.
Except that NJD posted an article criticizing the factcheckers from the right.
And no, people aren't actually flipping through the spectrum, they're saying "The factcheckers got this one right", and "The factcheckers got this one wrong". What's being mocked is the stupid idea that because someone calls themselves a factchecker they're somehow agenda-less and more trustable than other people. I have no idea why idiots think people who self-anoint are holy, rather than judging them on their actual track record.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:11:07am |
re: #772 Gus
Here's the idiot that made the Eva Braun comment:
I wonder why this got zero news coverage? If he had a 'R' next to his name it would have been on the front page of the NYT.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:11:11am |
Text from RNC delegate: "I'm officially jealous. The DNC looks way more exciting"
— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) September 5, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:12:11am |
re: #604 Gus
The DNC Platform 2012:
President Obama and the Democratic Party maintain an unshakable commitment to Israel's security. A strong and secure Israel is vital to the United States not simply because we share strategic interests, but also because we share common values. For this reason, despite budgetary constraints, the President has worked with Congress to increase security assistance to Israel every single year since taking office, providing nearly $10 billion in the past three years. The administration has also worked to ensure Israel's qualitative military edge in the region. And we have deepened defense cooperation - including funding the Iron Dome system - to help Israel address its most pressing threats, including the growing danger posed by rockets and missiles emanating from the Gaza Strip, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. The President's consistent support for Israel's right to defend itself and his steadfast opposition to any attempt to delegitimize Israel on the world stage are further evidence of our enduring commitment to Israel's security.
It is precisely because of this commitment that President Obama and the Democratic Party seek peace between Israelis and Palestinians. A just and lasting Israeli-Palestinian accord, producing two states for two peoples, would contribute to regional stability and help sustain Israel's identity as a Jewish and democratic state. At the same time, the President has made clear that there will be no lasting peace unless Israel's security concerns are met. President Obama will continue to press Arab states to reach out to Israel. We will continue to support Israel's peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, which have been pillars of peace and stability in the region for many years. And even as the President and the Democratic Party continue to encourage all parties to be resolute in the pursuit of peace, we will insist that any Palestinian partner must recognize Israel's right to exist, reject violence, and adhere to existing agreements.
Elsewhere in the region, President Obama is committed to maintaining robust security cooperation with Gulf Cooperation Council states and our other partners aimed at deterring aggression, checking Iran's destabilizing activities, ensuring the free flow of commerce essential to the global economy, and building a regional security architecture to counter terrorism, proliferation, ballistic missiles, piracy, and other common threats.
So, removing a passage about Jerusalem is somehow a repudiation of Israel even though the Administration has continued policies and practices followed by his predecessors on both sides of the aisle. Gotcha.
I'd rather that the DNC have kept the Jerusalem statement in the platform, but its absence doesn't mean that the Democrats have suddenly turned anti-Israel as the GOP is trying to portray and use to its advantage to cleave away some percentage of voters that are typically pro-Democrat.
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Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:12:24am |
re: #769 Big Steve
That is what the alternative minimum does for you. It is a rabbit punch to the kidney's from Nixon beyond the grave. If I made the same amount of money but a higher percentage in investment income or if I was married, it would be quite a bit lower.
You've pointed out a flaw in the taxation of investment income as much as or more than a putative flaw in earned income tax.
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Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:12:37am |
re: #770 Obdicut
Taxation isn't about fairness. It's about what works. You have an after-tax income of at least $151,000, which is far, far more than most people ever make. Your college costs are trickier to determine, because if have two sons going at once that you're both paying for, your estimated family contribution will be lower and they'll receive grants and low-interest loans (thanks to the government, and thanks to taxes paid by other people).
The colleges they're going to are subsidized in many ways by the government, and the actual price of their education would be far higher if the government didn't subsidize them.
So, I'm sorry, but it's not going to impress anyone that after taxes you only have $151,000, which is an after-tax income that is about ten times higher than the US poverty line, a level at which millions and millions of US families live.
Yea that is the "humorous" part. I make too much money so son's of Big Steve don't get squat in terms of grants or scholarships and yet I can't deduct a thing on my taxes. And I am not ungrateful for my income level....I enjoy it and work hard for it. However I do NOT like being singled out, as a group, for chastisement by my President at every chance he gets.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:13:19am |
re: #773 Obdicut
Except that NJD posted an article criticizing the factcheckers from the right.
And no, people aren't actually flipping through the spectrum, they're saying "The factcheckers got this one right", and "The factcheckers got this one wrong". What's being mocked is the stupid idea that because someone calls themselves a factchecker they're somehow agenda-less and more trustable than other people. I have no idea why idiots think people who self-anoint are holy, rather than judging them on their actual track record.
The factcheckers are being fact checked and those factcheckers are also being fact checked too. How many fact checks will be needed to to get a correct fact check?
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Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:13:28am |
re: #776 lawhawk
The DNC Platform 2012:
So, removing a passage about Jerusalem is somehow a repudiation of Israel even though the Administration has continued policies and practices followed by his predecessors on both sides of the aisle. Gotcha.
I'd rather that the DNC have kept the Jerusalem statement in the platform, but its absence doesn't mean that the Democrats have suddenly turned anti-Israel as the GOP is trying to portray and use to its advantage to cleave away some percentage of voters that are typically pro-Democrat.
Just as much as Romney is/was trying to distance himself from the GOP platform on abortion.
| 781 |
Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:13:33am |
re: #774 NJDhockeyfan
Why are you looking at a link from a news site and saying that the story from that news site got zero news coverage?
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:14:46am |
re: #779 NJDhockeyfan
The factcheckers are being fact checked and those factcheckers are also being fact checked too. How many fact checks will be needed to to get a correct fact check?
There's no end state. Someone will be right, someone will be wrong. It's not always going to be the factcheckers who are right, or those who are criticizing them. There's no easy out.
| 783 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:15:23am |
re: #781 Obdicut
Why are you looking at a link from a news site and saying that the story from that news site got zero news coverage?
The Charleston City paper? Who reads that besides Charleston City residents? Where was the MSM on this?
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:16:47am |
re: #774 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder why this got zero news coverage? If he had a 'R' next to his name it would have been on the front page of the NYT.
Because the former is an individual dickhead who got local coverage for being a individual dickhead, which will likely dog him in local politics; the latter is the case of a party that actively attempts to limit rights to homosexuals, and thus homophobia on the part of individual members is not just individual dickheadedness, but indicative of a trend.
| 785 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:17:20am |
re: #783 NJDhockeyfan
The Charleston City paper? Who reads that besides Charleston City residents? Where was the MSM on this?
Why don't you ask Fox?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:17:50am |
re: #771 BeenHereAwhile
re: #520 Gus
Trinidad, Colorado:
[...] Our women from Trinidad they hauled some potatoes,
Up to Walsenburg in a little cart,
They sold their potatoes and brought some guns back,
And they put a gun in every hand.The state soldiers jumped us in a wire fence corners,
They did not know we had these guns,
And the Red-neck Miners mowed down these troopers,
You should have seen those poor boys run.[...]Ludlow Massacre
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie
Bad intell and a lack of a counter ambush plan will get you killed. Sure as Guthrie loved Communism back in those day.
| 787 |
Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:18:36am |
re: #783 NJDhockeyfan
The Charleston City paper? Who reads that besides Charleston City residents? Where was the MSM on this?
I'm really confused if you think that the MSM needs to report on every homophobic comment made by a politician on the national level. If so, there's probably not going to be a lot of room for other news.
| 788 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:19:30am |
re: #770 Obdicut
Taxation isn't about fairness. It's about what works. You have an after-tax income of at least $151,000, which is far, far more than most people ever make. Your college costs are trickier to determine, because if have two sons going at once that you're both paying for, your estimated family contribution will be lower and they'll receive grants and low-interest loans (thanks to the government, and thanks to taxes paid by other people).
The colleges they're going to are subsidized in many ways by the government, and the actual price of their education would be far higher if the government didn't subsidize them.
So, I'm sorry, but it's not going to impress anyone that after taxes you only have $151,000, which is an after-tax income that is about ten times higher than the US poverty line, a level at which millions and millions of US families live.
Um, sorry, you have to make a lot less than $151,000 to get a government grant. My parents were making a lot less than that, and the kids in my family, and we were usually two or three at college, didn't get pell grants until we got married and became independent of them.
| 789 |
bratwurst Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:20:04am |
re: #785 Mocking Jay
Why don't you ask Fox?
A lot of conservatives love to brag that Fox News is number one, Rush, Hannity and Beck and the top 3 radio shows in the country and that Murdoch's papers always outsell the competition...but when their favorite story isn't getting enough play, it's inevitably back to "THE MEDIA IS OUT TO GET US!"
| 790 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:20:35am |
re: #782 Obdicut
There's no end state. Someone will be right, someone will be wrong. It's not always going to be the factcheckers who are right, or those who are criticizing them. There's no easy out.
Quoted For Truth.
| 791 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:21:46am |
Presidential Election: Obama 47% (-), Romney 46% (-). Get the full trend... gallup.com/poll/150743/Ob...— gallupnews (@gallupnews) September 5, 2012
| 792 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:22:37am |
re: #787 Obdicut
I'm really confused if you think that the MSM needs to report on every homophobic comment made by a politician on the national level. If so, there's probably not going to be a lot of room for other news.
I'll be happy to give up stories about Tom Cruise, Kim Kardashian, Katy Perry, and Snookie for some real news stories.
| 793 |
Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:22:50am |
I'm sorry, but college costs are somehow an aggravation of tax burden? No. College costs are a choice, and there are lots of ways to deal with them. Limited gov't assistance (which only one party wants to limit further), State schools. Scholarships. Work-study. Loans.
| 794 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:23:27am |
I will say this however. Three Godwins doesn't indicate a trend. Which of course is now being promoted by wingnut bloggers.
| 795 |
makeitstop Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:24:43am |
re: #787 Obdicut
I'm really confused if you think that the MSM needs to report on every homophobic comment made by a politician on the national level. If so, there's probably not going to be a lot of room for other news.
Not to mention that most of the Republican assholery gets zero play either, outside of sites that are set up to chronicle these things.
How many moronic tweets do we read by Bryan Fischer every day that get no mention at all on the 'liberal' media?
| 796 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:25:26am |
re: #794 Gus
I will say this however. Three Godwins doesn't indicate a trend. Which of course is now being promoted by wingnut bloggers.
There is a trend.
The trend is that stupid people Godwin.
As I have stated before, loudly, with lots of shouting at the screen: If someone can honestly be compared with Hitler, nobody does. Nobody say that Pol Pot is just like Hitler, or that Idi Amin was just like Hitler, because you DON'T HAVE TO.
If someone can be compared with Hitler, honestly, they're evil enough that their name is known for evil all on its own.
| 797 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:25:38am |
re: #795 makeitstop
Not to mention that most of the Republican assholery gets zero play either, outside of sites that are set up to chronicle these things.
How many moronic tweets do we read by Bryan Fischer every day that get no mention at all on the 'liberal' media?
Yep.
| 798 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:25:41am |
Wingnut nontroversy of the say seems to be the venue change for Obama's speech.
.@breittwit1 Dear #tcot Idiot (but I repeat myself): 65,000 tickets already sold, and 15,000 more on wait list. Sincerely, Facts. #DNC2012— Barracks O'Bama (@P0TUS) September 5, 2012
| 799 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:26:43am |
re: #794 Gus
I will say this however. Three Godwins doesn't indicate a trend. Which of course is now being promoted by wingnut bloggers.
Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
- MI6 axiom from Ian Flemming's James Bond books. The movies have never really used the line as far as I know.
| 800 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:28:10am |
re: #796 Mostly sane, most of the time.
There is a trend.
The trend is that stupid people Godwin.
As I have stated before, loudly, with lots of shouting at the screen: If someone can honestly be compared with Hitler, nobody does. Nobody say that Pol Pot is just like Hitler, or that Idi Amin was just like Hitler, because you DON'T HAVE TO.
If someone can be compared with Hitler, honestly, they're evil enough that their name is known for evil all on its own.
Well there was one guy like Hitler, his name was Reltih. But yeah.
| 801 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:28:10am |
re: #791 Gus
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Polling trend has been flat and within the margin of error. This is still either party's election.
| 802 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:28:27am |
Text from RNC delegate: "I'm officially jealous. The DNC looks way more exciting"— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) September 5, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:29:03am |
re: #798 Gus
Wingnut nontroversy of the say seems to be the venue change for Obama's speech.
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65,000 tickets already sold, and 15,000 more on wait list.
There are going to be quite a few people standing in the rain. The Time Warner Cable Arena only seats 21,000. I don't know how they will pull that off without pissing off a bunch of people.
| 804 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:29:40am |
re: #801 Dark_Falcon
Polling trend has been flat and within the margin of error. This is still either party's election.
Yes. But that should include Romney post convention bounce. ;) And yes, we'll have to wait and see what happens after the Dem convention.
| 805 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:29:43am |
re: #800 HappyWarrior
Well there was one guy like Hitler, his name was Reltih. But yeah.
I see what you did. An anagram, very clever.
| 806 |
makeitstop Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:30:30am |
re: #801 Dark_Falcon
Polling trend has been flat and within the margin of error. This is still either party's election.
But it's also after Romney's acceptance speech, and before Obama's.
A lot can change, and probably will.
| 807 |
Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:31:29am |
re: #759 Gus
In which the GOP buys a hashtag: #FailingAgenda
Seriously. They bought that.
I guess they didn't learn from the last time they bought a hashtag.
| 808 |
darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:31:46am |
re: #803 NJDhockeyfan
There are going to be quite a few people standing in the rain. The Time Warner Cable Arena only seats 21,000. I don't know how they will pull that off without pissing off a bunch of people.
Nah...people will be disappointed because they want to see the President speak, but thunderstorms aren't the same as showers, and taking the chance of someone high in the stands getting struck by lightning just isn't worth it. President Obama will still have plenty of campaign stops with 60,000+ people before November.
| 809 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:31:59am |
re: #774 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder why this got zero news coverage? If he had a 'R' next to his name it would have been on the front page of the NYT.
Really? Zero news coverage? That's not what it looks like to me.
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 810 |
Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:32:02am |
re: #803 NJDhockeyfan
There are going to be quite a few people standing in the rain. The Time Warner Cable Arena only seats 21,000. I don't know how they will pull that off without pissing off a bunch of people.
Clearly they'll all get so disgruntled and disgusted they'll vote Romney. it's doom for the Democrats.
| 811 |
The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:32:13am |
re: #804 Gus
Yes. But that should include Romney post convention bounce. ;) And yes, we'll have to wait and see what happens after the Dem convention.
Romney got very little bounce (in limited polling). I kind of expect the same for President Obama. Fewer people watch these things than ever before, and the country is so polarized that there aren't that many votes to shift.
Politics is usually played "between the 40 yard lines"...this cycle it feels like they're playing between the 48s.
It's very, very close.
| 812 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:32:26am |
re: #805 Dark_Falcon
I see what you did. An anagram, very clever.
Just Hitler backwards, yeah. My favorite sign from that Jon Stewart rally from a couple years back was "You know who was like Hitler, Hitler."
| 813 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:33:34am |
It's always nice to find out the latest right wing talking points here at LGF, every morning.
| 814 |
sagehen Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:33:40am |
re: #747 Big Steve
Yes....I do make about $250k per year. Last year I paid $84k in federal income tax.
Bullshit.
You didn't pay an effective rate of 34%, when you've barely scooched into the bracket where the marginal rate is 35%. Even if you had no deductions at all -- not for state taxes, not for mortgage interest, not even the standard deduction -- that level of income would not generate that level of federal income tax.
| 815 |
Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:34:24am |
"Mitt Romney doesn't write the platforms": Fox News' glaring double standard on campaign platforms bit.ly/R96Y30 #p2— Media Matters (@mmfa) September 5, 2012
| 816 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:34:31am |
re: #810 Coracle
Clearly they'll all get so disgruntled and disgusted they'll vote Romney. it's doom for the Democrats.
"This is great news for John McCain Mitt Romney." But yeah if I were in CHarlotte and it happened. I'd be a little bummed but I wouldn't vote against the guy because of it and certainly not for Mitt Romney. The people who are there are already strong for Obama just like outside the Paulians most of the crowd in TAmpa was strong for Romney.
| 817 |
Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:34:46am |
re: #811 The Mongoose
Romney got very little bounce (in limited polling). I kind of expect the same for President Obama. Fewer people watch these things than ever before, and the country is so polarized that there aren't that many votes to shift.
Politics is usually played "between the 40 yard lines"...this cycle it feels like they're playing between the 48s.
It's very, very close.
In this particular case, I'm not sure. The Dems first night was a positive and uplifting message, in contrast to the Reps. I think the short-term bounce will be much higher, though I believe it will fade into the noise quickly.
| 818 |
wrenchwench Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:35:02am |
BTW, my best comments are totally ignored by the person I was responding to. That's one of the ways I know they were among my best. I've scored three on this thread alone. *\O/*
| 819 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:35:53am |
re: #809 Charles Johnson
Really? Zero news coverage? That's not what it looks like to me.
[Link: www.google.com...]
I was talking about the homophobic story. The Nazi comments this week are getting covered. Three in one week is certainly newsworthy.
| 820 |
Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:36:59am |
re: #793 Coracle
I'm sorry, but college costs are somehow an aggravation of tax burden?
You may be missing the point. Yes college is a choice as is which college one attends and its costs. However IRS rules allow one to deduct tuition and fees for dependents. In fact the colleges send you an 1098t form for this information. But if you have an adjusted income over a certain amount ($80,000 if you are a single filer) you cannot deduct these costs.
| 821 |
makeitstop Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:37:30am |
re: #803 NJDhockeyfan
There are going to be quite a few people standing in the rain. The Time Warner Cable Arena only seats 21,000. I don't know how they will pull that off without pissing off a bunch of people.
They've already announced that ticket-holders who can't get in will be invited to a makeup event before Election Day.
| 822 |
Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:38:46am |
Fox News is outraged that Obama is not being bipartisan in his reelecton bid. Not kidding.— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) September 5, 2012
| 823 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:38:54am |
Tonite's Foo Fighters show @fillmorenc is completely sold out. No more tix will be released. Lucky enough to get tix? Share your pics w/us!— Live Nation Carolina (@LiveNationNCSC) September 5, 2012
| 824 |
The Mongoose Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:39:48am |
re: #817 Coracle
In this particular case, I'm not sure. The Dems first night was a positive and uplifting message, in contrast to the Reps. I think the short-term bounce will be much higher, though I believe it will fade into the noise quickly.
I think that many people will see their party as having the better convention no matter what. I do agree that whatever the bounce, it will fade within a couple of weeks.
| 825 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:40:18am |
Reason #1 why it's a REALLY good thing that the sun is 93,000,000 miles from Earth.... [mind blowing photo] bit.ly/RkYr7z— NASA Goddard (@NASAGoddard) September 5, 2012
| 827 |
darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:40:48am |
re: #814 sagehen
Bullshit.
You didn't pay an effective rate of 34%, when you've barely scooched into the bracket where the marginal rate is 35%. Even if you had no deductions at all -- not for state taxes, not for mortgage interest, not even the standard deduction -- that level of income would not generate that level of federal income tax.
Yep. My wife and I paid about 16% on just under 290. Maybe he's tithing 20% to his church and counts that as taxes...Mitt does.
| 829 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:42:02am |
re: #819 NJDhockeyfan
I was talking about the homophobic story. The Nazi comments this week are getting covered. Three in one week is certainly newsworthy.
And guess what? You're wrong about that story too.
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 830 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:42:13am |
re: #828 darthstar
Ouch...that would have burned my toast.
To think that the sun isn't exactly the largest of stars.
| 831 |
Interesting Times Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:42:39am |
Bwahaha:
When Ann Romney says Mitt will lift us & bring us together she kinda makes him sound like a push-up bra.— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) September 5, 2012
| 832 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:42:45am |
re: #825 Gus
[Embedded content]
It's all a conspiracy! It was done in a studio! It's a lie!
*Looks nervously around for Buzz Aldrin*
| 833 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:46:23am |
Me and @juliancastro and Joaquin Castro last night at Latinos Unidos event! #dnc2012 say.ly/xOG46yJ— Eva Longoria (@EvaLongoria) September 5, 2012
| 834 |
Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:46:29am |
re: #814 sagehen
Bullshit.
You didn't pay an effective rate of 34%, when you've barely scooched into the bracket where the marginal rate is 35%. Even if you had no deductions at all -- not for state taxes, not for mortgage interest, not even the standard deduction -- that level of income would not generate that level of federal income tax.
I didn't pay a dime of interest last year (own house free and clear), Texas does not have any state or local income taxes. Waited to may my property taxes till January to get credit in 2012. Had capital gains on investment held over a year. And yes, make too much to get medical or any other deductions. Had $3k in charity. So yes, I did pay that much.
| 835 |
darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:46:40am |
re: #830 Gus
To think that the sun isn't exactly the largest of stars.
I tried setting that as my desktop background on my large monitor...too orange!
| 836 |
Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:46:55am |
re: #820 Big Steve
You may be missing the point. Yes college is a choice as is which college one attends and its costs. However IRS rules allow one to deduct tuition and fees for dependents. In fact the colleges send you an 1098t form for this information. But if you have an adjusted income over a certain amount ($80,000 if you are a single filer) you cannot deduct these costs.
I fail to see that is a problem. If I'm very lucky in the next few years, I'll fall into that same bracket. I've been prepping for it for over a decade. I'm privileged enough to do so - though less so than you.
| 837 |
Gus Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:47:25am |
re: #835 darthstar
I tried setting that as my desktop background on my large monitor...too orange!
Go Broncos!
| 838 |
darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:47:31am |
re: #834 Big Steve
Don't bitch just because you live in Texas.
| 839 |
Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:49:06am |
| 840 |
Big Steve Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:49:31am |
| 841 |
darthstar Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:50:39am |
re: #839 Big Steve
what God's give to States?
I was just kidding...no need to lose your control of grammar.
| 842 |
Lidane Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:52:17am |
re: #834 Big Steve
Sorry but there's no way you paid 34% unless your accountant is incompetent or you did your taxes yourself and screwed yourself out of money.
| 843 |
Coracle Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:52:24am |
re: #840 Big Steve
What does that mean?
It means I'm lucky and privileged enough with my income to have the means to set aside funds to help my kids in college if that's what they choose to do. I've been doing it for a long time. I'll never be able to pay Harvard tuition, but if they want to go, I'll help as I can, and help them figure out the rest. You have greater means at your disposal, so you can do what I'm doing more easily, regardless of tax burden.
| 844 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:52:26am |
re: #813 Charles Johnson
It's always nice to find out the latest right wing talking points here at LGF, every morning.
And isn't it interesting how they stop cold after your first post of the day?
| 845 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:57:37am |
re: #829 Charles Johnson
And guess what? You're wrong about that story too.
[Link: www.google.com...]
OK, I see Politico and WaPo covered that. I stand corrected :)
| 846 |
sagehen Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:59:18am |
re: #834 Big Steve
I didn't pay a dime of interest last year (own house free and clear), Texas does not have any state or local income taxes. Waited to may my property taxes till January to get credit in 2012. Had capital gains on investment held over a year. And yes, make too much to get medical or any other deductions. Had $3k in charity. So yes, I did pay that much.
If your taxable income (after all deductions) was %250k, your federal income tax should have been $67k.
per page 86 of of this 2011 IRS tax rate schedule:
[Link: www.irs.gov...]
for an effective rate of 27%.
| 847 |
Obdicut Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:52:51am |
re: #788 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Um, sorry, you have to make a lot less than $151,000 to get a government grant. My parents were making a lot less than that, and the kids in my family, and we were usually two or three at college, didn't get pell grants until we got married and became independent of them.
Depends on how expensive the school is.
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