Jindal on 60 Minutes
Here’s Governor Bobby Jindal interviewed by Morley Safer on 60 Minutes:
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(Hat tip: Hot Air.)
Here’s Governor Bobby Jindal interviewed by Morley Safer on 60 Minutes:
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(Hat tip: Hot Air.)
1 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:16pm |
All I want right now is some assurance he understands economics. Private-sector economics.
2 | IslandLibertarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:34pm |
CBS setting up the 2012 GOP nomination.
3 | BenghaziHoops Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:57pm |
I said last night...This segment is glowing for the MSM...
6 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:21pm |
Oh, ouch.
Jindal could easily survive a straight up attack, and maybe even come out ahead. But this -- dimunition by patronization -- is lethal.
7 | whiterasta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:25pm |
If he would just stop with the Creationist witchcraft thing.....
9 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:37pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
All I want right now is some assurance he understands economics. Private-sector economics.
And can at least spell "foreign affairs".
10 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:02:11pm |
"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.
Loved you in Slumdog."
12 | screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:03:44pm |
The media is just playing there own games.
13 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:04:05pm |
re: #10 Cognito
Really, Cog. That was excellent.
14 | Ojoe Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:04:29pm |
re: #12 screaming_eagle
"their". (channeling Goddessoftheclassroom).
17 | soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:05:12pm |
re: #12 screaming_eagle
The media is just playing there own games.
Trying to nominate another John McCain to get Obama reelected in 2012. Let's hope Mitt Romney keeps his eye on the prize for asll of our sakes.
19 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:07pm |
MSM is setting him up just like McCain.
20 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:27pm |
Watching the market tumble, a stray thought entered unbidden into my mind: "Eh. Maybe it's time to look into getting a pistol."
Whaaat? Crazy talk.
(Anyone got a nice revolver?)
22 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:46pm |
23 | soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:07pm |
re: #19 Alouette
MSM is setting him up just like McCain.
Propping him up. Only to drop him after he receives the nomination
24 | PJ61 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:09pm |
If Bobby J wants to win in 2012, I say leave the microphones in front of the DEMs and stop grabbing for them. The more they speak, the more they help the GOP.
25 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:24pm |
The MSN is having a good time with the Rush/Steele battle. Basically, the spin.
on ABC News tonight.
Rush want Obama to fail
Steele does not
Rush insults Steele by saying he's more worried about Obama then the GOP.
The White House has no comment, but loves it. More here.
27 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:41pm |
28 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:42pm |
re: #21 ploome hineni
that racist comment was excellent?
It wasn't racist, Ploome.
It' s actually a swipe at -- aw, forget it. You've made up your mind.
It's racist. Whatever. Boo.
29 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:03pm |
re: #19 Alouette
MSM is setting him up just like McCain.
I agree. The campaign has restarted (if it stopped at all). I liked what Rush told Michael Steele today too.
31 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:18pm |
re: #21 ploome hineni
It wasn't. Was speaking as the MSM who is showing Bobby off as a "person of color".
Saying, "Okay, little buddy. You can go away now."
I thought it was well played.
32 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:25pm |
Bobby Jindal is not Ronald Reagan. But his state isn't bleeding jobs like the others, why would that be? He has good points. I hope he figures out that creationism isn't the way to go nationally, but think about his constituents - we rail that WE elect politicians that speak for us. Could it be that in his state this is what they want? I'm sad if that is what they do want, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised.
Again, I do not want my tax dollars supporting Creationism. I just don't. But I won't write a politician off if they are a creationist - so long as they do not force the belief on me.
I joke about running for office, but to be perfectly honest, I do have political ambitions. I have skeletons like most "normal" people - I would hope people could separate some of my personal beliefs from what I would do as a politician (I pay my taxes, no worries there) should I really get there.
33 | screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:40pm |
34 | brookly red Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:45pm |
35 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:53pm |
@TheOnion: BREAKING: Bobby Jindal Killed In Baton Rouge Volcano Eruption
37 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:58pm |
re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It wasn't. Was speaking as the MSM who is showing Bobby off as a "person of color".
Saying, "Okay, little buddy. You can go away now."
I thought it was well played.
Thanks, FBV. Shouldn't be necessary, but thanks nonetheless.
38 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:14:08pm |
re: #28 Cognito
It wasn't racist, Ploome.
It' s actually a swipe at -- aw, forget it. You've made up your mind.
It's racist. Whatever. Boo.
you were judgemental of my Wrath of Allah crack yesterday...now this?....pffft
41 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:15:12pm |
Ah. And the brilliance shines through in the comments section, as ever.
42 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:27pm |
re: #32 ArmyWife
Again, I do not want my tax dollars supporting Creationism. I just don't. But I won't write a politician off if they are a creationist - so long as they do not force the belief on me.
But there's the rub. He DID force his creationist beliefs on others. He signed into LAW and religious belief - you know, like the Mullahs do. I can't believe that the incorporation of creationism as science in LA was unanimously supported by the entire population.
43 | rexatosis Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:31pm |
Gov. Jindal is ready-made for the MSM to obliterate if he runs for POTUS in '12. He has creationist fossils in his closet, he's from one of the most politically disfunctional states in the Union (David Duke got elected to the state legislature, you better believe the spectre of the KKK will get raised if Jindal gets the nomination, POTUS or Veep), and he looks twelve (he makes our Metrosexual POTUS look like a lumberjack in comparison.) The MSM will build him up 'cause he will be so easy to tear down.
45 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:17:04pm |
re: #34 brookly red
yup, that kinda irked me too...
You need to notice the quote marks. Will aid the whole context thingy.
46 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:17:57pm |
re: #45 Russkilitlover
You need to notice the quote marks. Will aid the whole context thingy.
Also the set-up comment about "dimunition by patronization."
Although yes, I was hoping the comment would stand on its own.
49 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:19:57pm |
51 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:12pm |
re: #42 Russkilitlover
It wouldn't have had to been unanimous. That isn't how our country worked. Would you feel differently if you knew the majority of the state DID want this? I honestly don't know if they do or don't, or even if we could find that out. Just asking for the sake of argument.
53 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:45pm |
re: #48 WhiteRasta
#44, #41,,,,Gentleman, gentleperson.....
54 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:53pm |
55 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:54pm |
re: #32 ArmyWife
Bobby Jindal is not Ronald Reagan. But his state isn't bleeding jobs like the others, why would that be? He has good points. I hope he figures out that creationism isn't the way to go nationally, but think about his constituents - we rail that WE elect politicians that speak for us. Could it be that in his state this is what they want? I'm sad if that is what they do want, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised.
Again, I do not want my tax dollars supporting Creationism. I just don't. But I won't write a politician off if they are a creationist - so long as they do not force the belief on me.
I joke about running for office, but to be perfectly honest, I do have political ambitions. I have skeletons like most "normal" people - I would hope people could separate some of my personal beliefs from what I would do as a politician (I pay my taxes, no worries there) should I really get there.
Louisiana was the only state that added jobs in December 2008, and actually had a net gain of 8,700 jobs since December 2007.
I don't think Jindal is ready for POTUS, and he may never be, time will tell.
One think I really do wish is that he were a tad more photogenic - he's not what you would call handsome, but in person, he's better looking than in photos or video.
57 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:28pm |
The grand ole parties NEW YOUNG Savior?
Question: Are you going to be our next president?
Jindal: Oh, No. I need to fix my state!
59 | WhiteRasta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:59pm |
re: #50 ploome hineni
.....Oh....... Whoops. I'll just shut my mouth and mind my own business.
(This cockroach don't business in dat fowl coop...)
60 | Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:01pm |
re: #10 Cognito
"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.
Loved you in Slumdog."
You hit a new low with that comment Cog.
61 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:34pm |
He doesn't drink, smoke, gamble,...
He just participates in exorcisms.
62 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:37pm |
re: #51 ArmyWife
It wouldn't have had to been unanimous. That isn't how our country worked. Would you feel differently if you knew the majority of the state DID want this? I honestly don't know if they do or don't, or even if we could find that out. Just asking for the sake of argument.
It doesn't matter. There will be some who do NOT want it. Other faiths, other beliefs, etc. Government has no business enshrining any religious belief into law or as something to be taught in public schools - in science classes, no less.
64 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:11pm |
65 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:17pm |
re: #60 Maximu§
You hit a new low with that comment Cog.
you need to nuance it and find the context....it's very complicated
66 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:18pm |
Israel to present Clinton with 'red lines' on talks with Iran
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Red Lines? I think someone over there is doing a few to many lines. Don't they get that there is a new sheriff in town and he'll sell anybody, including Israel, down the river to further his aims?
67 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:25pm |
re: #57 notutopia
The grand ole parties NEW YOUNG Savior?
Question: Are you going to be our next president?
Jindal: Oh, No. I need to fix my state!
Well? He does.
69 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:42pm |
old morely asked he newspaper editor "is he boring?"
the editor replied, 'one man's boring is another man's competence'
he seems like a very personable decent guy.
so much more genuine and trustworthy than O.
i liked him from the interview.
the i.d. thing is a problem.
70 | snowcrash Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:24:12pm |
IIRC Jindal was called slumdog millionaire by Helen Thomas. Michael Steel made some kind of "slumdog" jest after the rebuttal speech too.
72 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:24:44pm |
re: #55 reine.de.tout
And as shallow as it is, looks mean something. People gravitate toward the better looking candidate - the taller the better. As I am really short, I'm pretty much screwed in that regard. I hope I can make up for it with brilliance. ;)
74 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:22pm |
re: #41 Cognito
Ah. And the brilliance shines through in the comments section, as ever.
Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.
76 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:41pm |
re: #25 avanti
The MSN is having a good time with the Rush/Steele battle. Basically, the spin.
on ABC News tonight.Rush want Obama to fail
Steele does not
Rush insults Steele by saying he's more worried about Obama then the GOP.
The White House has no comment, but loves it. More here.
Update, Coulter, Beck join the battle, Steele apologizes to Rush. White House's Emanuel comments.
78 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:49pm |
re: #60 Maximu§
You hit a new low with that comment Cog.
See #6 and then the quotes in #10. It was NOT a reflection of Cog's point of view. Isn't there enough bullshit charges of racism flying around the U.S. today, without taking time to look before you critisize?
80 | debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:14pm |
81 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:41pm |
Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?
82 | Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:45pm |
re: #74 Alouette
Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.
In what way? Considering the aim of that comment, I'm not sure what you mean.
83 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:03pm |
84 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:08pm |
re: #71 buzzsawmonkey
Hate to get involved, but anybody who didn't get the "Slumdog" reference as ironic/sardonic is a blithering idiot.
Learn the freakin' language, people. Sometimes there really is nuance...
85 | Lee Coller Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:12pm |
OT -- Another nirther has just popped up on the last nirther thread.
87 | debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:30pm |
re: #81 EmmmieG
Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?
Based on the young earth timetable?
88 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:33pm |
re: #72 ArmyWife
And as shallow as it is, looks mean something. People gravitate toward the better looking candidate - the taller the better. As I am really short, I'm pretty much screwed in that regard. I hope I can make up for it with brilliance. ;)
Two words: 70's disco boots. :)
89 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:35pm |
Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority
By The Associated Press
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Moving targets?
90 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:35pm |
91 | debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:06pm |
93 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:10pm |
94 | Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:12pm |
re: #71 buzzsawmonkey
I thought it was funny, and quite apt; Cognito was commenting from the position of a patronizing media pretending to exalt, but actually dismissing, Jindal and his accomplishments.
Didn't the stench of patronization in that clip get to you?
Ah, I stand corrected then.
Move along folks.....nothing to see here.
95 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:41pm |
Morley Safer speaks with scare quotes. Saying "he's Republican" and "he's conservative" and "he's religious" and did we mention "he's conservative" (again). Jindal is being set up to knock down. It's clear.
They'll go after him when the time is right and they'll have plenty of Republicans on their side.
96 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:55pm |
re: #81 EmmmieG
Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?
See those hills out yonder? Old.
97 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:29:09pm |
re: #88 Soona'
I can make up for it if I wear disco boots from the 70s? Oh very cool. That is easier than brilliance!
99 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:29:49pm |
re: #81 EmmmieG
Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?
Born November 8, 1931.
100 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:02pm |
re: #89 Nevergiveup
Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority
By The Associated Press
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Moving targets?
cool!....the IDF gets to ply with some different toys next time....
101 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:13pm |
102 | PJ61 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:24pm |
re: #95 ratherdashing
Morley Safer speaks with scare quotes. Saying "he's Republican" and "he's conservative" and "he's religious" and did we mention "he's conservative" (again). Jindal is being set up to knock down. It's clear.
They'll go after him when the time is right and they'll have plenty of Republicans on their side.
And they will ask him tough questions to which they will expect/demand answers. Would that they had done the same with then Senator Obama.
105 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:06pm |
re: #97 ArmyWife
I can make up for it if I wear disco boots from the 70s? Oh very cool. That is easier than brilliance!
Don't forget those low cut, short nylon dresses from them days. No one will care what you say.
106 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:23pm |
Only 77? He seems older. Seriously.
107 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:37pm |
re: #84 Lincolntf
Hate to get involved, but anybody who didn't get the "Slumdog" reference as ironic/sardonic is a blithering idiot.
Learn the freakin' language, people. Sometimes there really is nuance...
we got it...no need to patronize and call names
108 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:47pm |
re: #92 ploome hineni
Off you go, ploome. Loved you in Yentl.
109 | debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:32:02pm |
re: #103 buzzsawmonkey
Tell you the truth, it's a tough rhyme. "Edge" is easy: hedge, sledge, sedge, pledge, ledge, dredge--cred(ulous) if you want to get fancy--but tacking that "y" on there narrows the possibilities dramatically.
Try dropping the "y" and filling in with an additional syllable earlier in the line.
Thanks - Only a few jumped out.
111 | LemonJoose Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:08pm |
OT:
I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.
There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.
But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.
Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.
112 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:09pm |
re: #89 Nevergiveup
Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority
By The Associated Press
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Moving targets?
It depends whether Russia will decide to send crews with them also.
113 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:15pm |
And we see the Inuit people allowing their tribal elder to step forward and take the first swing at the helpless baby fur seal. Soon, the whole tribe will join in the mayhem with wild abandon.
114 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:39pm |
re: #111 LemonJoose
You must have missed this:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
115 | zombie Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:46pm |
Hmmmm, let's add this up:
Bobby Jindal
60 Minutes
...what's not to like?
/
(I'll give this one a pass.)
116 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:56pm |
117 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:57pm |
re: #76 avanti
Update, Coulter, Beck join the battle, Steele apologizes to Rush. White House's Emanuel comments.
Alinsky rule #12 at working.
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Obama picks the target.... meanwhile the GOP falls all over themselves choosing sides....
Rush is not the target.
The policies of Obama / Reid / Pelosi are the target.
Steele vs. Rush is want Obama wants, infighting on the right while he socialize the country, bankrupts the economy, and surrenders our security.
118 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:57pm |
re: #106 EmmmieG
Only 77? He seems older. Seriously.
Maybe he could use this product to feel younger: For the hair down there!
[Link: www.bettybeauty.com...]
119 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:59pm |
re: #104 ploome hineni
hiya Charming.where have you been?
Just peachy. How are you and how's business?
120 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:15pm |
re: #95 ratherdashing
Morley Safer speaks with scare quotes. Saying "he's Republican" and "he's conservative" and "he's religious" and did we mention "he's conservative" (again). Jindal is being set up to knock down. It's clear.
They'll go after him when the time is right and they'll have plenty of Republicans on their side.
yes, did you notice morley say to the editor "he downplays his background ."
this after jindal and his wife had said "we were raised as americans".
it was an ok interview but certainly not a fawning display of love and adoration like all the msm gives the grifter.
this will be the best type of treatment jindal will get and then the hatchet jobs will start at some point.
121 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:17pm |
re: #112 Soona'
It depends whether Russia will decide to send crews with them also.
And manuals
and spare parts
and starters
and valves
and tires
and roadside assistance protection.
122 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:43pm |
re: #97 ArmyWife
I can make up for it if I wear disco boots from the 70s? Oh very cool. That is easier than brilliance!
Please don't tell me if you still have them laying around the house.
124 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:05pm |
re: #118 Nevergiveup
Maybe he could use this product to feel younger: For the hair down there!
[Link: www.bettybeauty.com...]
Okay, now I'm just plain grossed out.
125 | Aviator Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:12pm |
126 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:28pm |
How can he have a scientist mother and engineer father and attack science like he does? I think that's unfortunate.
127 | Ojoe Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:49pm |
128 | opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:55pm |
re: #66 Nevergiveup
Israel to present Clinton with 'red lines' on talks with Iran
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Red Lines? I think someone over there is doing a few to many lines. Don't they get that there is a new sheriff in town and he'll sell anybody, including Israel, down the river to further his aims?
All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.
Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon
U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid
What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.
While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.
129 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:06pm |
130 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:10pm |
re: #89 Nevergiveup
Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority
By The Associated Press
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Moving targets?
Armored vehicles aren't good for car bombs; the explosion stays inside.
So what do the Palis want them for?
/I know, to protect Hamassholes from Israel.
It just makes Israel use more expensive missiles.
131 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:10pm |
Well it would have been nice to learn something new about him in the interview, that was somewhat lightweight in coverage.
134 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:37:18pm |
136 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:38:08pm |
re: #63 Lincolntf
Creationism = Jobs!
Heh.
I don't really know what happens in Louisiana, but it seems like when the rest of the country is not doing well, we do OK. Of course, when the rest of the country is doing really WELL, we're still just doing OK.
137 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:38:18pm |
re: #126 Sharmuta
How can he have a scientist mother and engineer father and attack science like he does? I think that's unfortunate.
Free agency. He's free to do that if he wants, right or wrong. Just as we're free to exercise ours when we vote.
/well, free for now...
138 | opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:09pm |
re: #132 ploome hineni
USA helping prolong the war against Israel
$Millions are fungible. Hamas will use it to buy weapons.
USA helping to murder Israelis.
139 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:15pm |
re: #128 opinionated
All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.
Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon
U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid
What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.
While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.
*bang*
*bang*
*bang*
You know
*bang*
I keep
*bang*
pounding my
*bang*
head on
*bang*
the desk
*bang*
It feels good when I stop.
GAH! How freaking hard is it.
Missiles = No money.
140 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:46pm |
re: #122 Soona'
Ummm...no. I was born in the early 70s. But, I do have some neon left from middle school in the early 80s!
141 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:47pm |
143 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:40:28pm |
re: #132 ploome hineni
The United States has made it possible for Israel to exist for 60 years, and we always will if I have anything to say about it.
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.
145 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:41:43pm |
re: #136 reine.de.tout
Actually, I have a plant in LA, and thanks to the oil companies, the price for normal labor is crazy there - and the economy hasn't hit it like the other states. In fact, because LA offers such great tax incentives to build plants there, you guys have been growing - refineries are expanding in Lake Charles as we speak. Course, we we are all mandated to drive electric or wind up cars, it may be a different story all together...
146 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:41:48pm |
re: #128 opinionated
All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.
Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon
U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid
What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.
While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.
And Hillary lectures the Israelis to help more with rebuilding Gaza.
147 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:14pm |
re: #111 LemonJoose
OT:
I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.
There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.
But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.
Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.
Rush is right on this. Plus, McCain was no conservative. At best he was a left leaning moderate. We need to clean the Repub party "leadership" of all the people who think that pandering to democrats is what will get people elected. This last election should have been a wake-up call to you and everyone else that think Reaganism is a dead horse. Reaganism is alive and well with many, many Americans.
148 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:16pm |
149 | Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:24pm |
I don't trust any politician who shows he wants to be my pal by using the diminutive form of a first name. Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown, Teddy Kennedy, Bobby Jindal. I wouldn't be on a first-name basis with any of them.
151 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:06pm |
Putting intelligent design issues to the side I found this to be a rather glowing and positive representation of Bobby Jindal. Of particular interest was the co-interview with the Louisiana journalist who seemed to have nothing but positive observations of the gubernatorial style of Mr. Jindal.
The two main highlights being hurricane Katrina and corruption: two issues that he's taken on in a very proactive style. Another his ability to garner support and votes from the Bubba electorate.
Morley Safer's introduction gave me a chuckle because it related to his performance on the previous Tuesday in response to the president's speech. Safer added a bit of fatherly commentary by suggesting that his awkwardness was due to Jindal's youth.
If I were to speak as a consultant I would say that this was a valuable piece of media exposure for Mr. Jindal.
152 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:13pm |
re: #145 ArmyWife
See? Tonight's posts are going to come back to haunt me. "Do you see how dumb she is? Look at all the typos!" We= when.
(one of you will edit my letters to the populace, right?)
153 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:13pm |
the GOP and CPAC are doing a grave injustice to make any issue at all out of Bobby...he is not worthy, period...it's not creationism or race...he is a second stringer the media is gassing up...nice guy, good hair and a friendly smile....so what?...he is not Prime Time
154 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:18pm |
re: #142 buzzsawmonkey
a wax doll of Ahmedinejad.
No. We need an article of clothing, some hair (gotta be some on his back) and some of his ....oh, never mind.
155 | SummerSong Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:34pm |
Sorry if it's been posted - haven't caught up with the thread.
Steele to Rush: "I'm sorry"
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
156 | NonNativeTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:43pm |
re: #143 Lincolntf
The United States has made it possible for Israel to exist for 60 years, and we always will if I have anything to say about it.
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.
No it is not. It is up to peace loving countries to get shoulder to
shoulder with Israel by word and deed, making it known to Israel's
enemies that Israel will be supported and defended no matter what.
157 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:02pm |
re: #121 calcajun
And manuals
and spare parts
and starters
and valves
and tires
and roadside assistance protection.
And "On Star and Sickle" protection.
158 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:12pm |
re: #149 Cato the Elder
Just so long as Teddy Roosevelt is the exception that proves the rule.
160 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:30pm |
re: #149 Cato the Elder
Well then. I'll count your vote out, too. I have a southern name that ends in "i".
161 | Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:40pm |
re: #118 Nevergiveup
Maybe he could use this product to feel younger: For the hair down there!
[Link: www.bettybeauty.com...]
And for those who shave, someone should bring back the merkin.
163 | debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:14pm |
re: #154 calcajun
No. We need an article of clothing, some hair (gotta be some on his back) and some of his ....oh, never mind.
Dinnerjacket Mo-Jo would do the trick.
164 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:32pm |
re: #159 Sharmuta
Was it the commercials with him sitting on the couch smoozing with Pelosi that convinced you?
166 | Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:35pm |
Charles had a thread about how the US is pulling out of Durban II.
Melanie Phillips on why it's not what is seems and Obama is screwing Israel.
[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]
167 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:44pm |
re: #157 Soona'
And "On Star and Sickle" protection.
"Oh, you can trust your car to the man who wears the star...?"
169 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:58pm |
170 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:11pm |
re: #163 debutaunt
Dinnerjacket Mo-Jo would do the trick.
I think I speak for all of us when I say, "Eww."
171 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:12pm |
re: #149 Cato the Elder
Actually, read this yesterday. Bobby gave himself the name after Bobby Brady in the Brady Bunch.
He kept it.
172 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:44pm |
re: #140 ArmyWife
Ummm...no. I was born in the early 70s. But, I do have some neon left from middle school in the early 80s!
I guess I missed that. The 70's and 80's were sort of my lost years.
173 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:53pm |
re: #168 buzzsawmonkey
"My fellow, uh, merkins..."
Sounds like a great name for an electric car. The GM "Merkin"
175 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:24pm |
re: #149 Cato the Elder
I don't trust any politician who shows he wants to be my pal by using the diminutive form of a first name. Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown, Teddy Kennedy, Bobby Jindal. I wouldn't be on a first-name basis with any of them.
Don't forget Bill Clinton.
William Jefferson...
176 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:43pm |
re: #43 rexatosis
Gov. Jindal is ready-made for the MSM to obliterate if he runs for POTUS in '12. He has creationist fossils in his closet, he's from one of the most politically disfunctional states in the Union (David Duke got elected to the state legislature, you better believe the spectre of the KKK will get raised if Jindal gets the nomination, POTUS or Veep), and he looks twelve (he makes our Metrosexual POTUS look like a lumberjack in comparison.) The MSM will build him up 'cause he will be so easy to tear down.
I agree completely.
177 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:46pm |
re: #173 calcajun
Sounds like a great name for an electric car. The GM "Merkin"
Is that a gherkin lurkin' in your Merkin?
Sorry. It's late and I'm tired.
178 | Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:50pm |
re: #143 Lincolntf
The United States has made it possible for Israel to exist for 60 years, and we always will if I have anything to say about it.
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.
The US plays a double game. Helping Israel while helping to sustain the Arab/Islamic war against her.
179 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:48:08pm |
re: #156 NonNativeTexan
You wait for the "whole world to come together", and I'll wait for the Hale- Bopp comet to take me to Space Heaven.
See which happens first.
The reality is that in a year or two Israel could be a smoldering pile, and no appeals to some imaginary communal spirit of defense of the righteous will be able to prevent that. Only Israel can.
180 | NonNativeTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:49:38pm |
re: #179 Lincolntf
I don't believe I said the whole world. I said
peace loving countries...
181 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:49:49pm |
re: #178 Opinionated
The US plays a double game. Helping Israel while helping to sustain the Arab/Islamic war against her.
with your money....think about that
182 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:04pm |
re: #162 buzzsawmonkey
For the first time in history, fiery rhetoric has melted Steele!
Trooferist!
/
183 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:05pm |
re: #175 notutopia
Don't forget Bill Clinton.
William Jefferson...
That's because so many Republicans really shouldn't go there.
Rushy? Georgy? Newty? (Gag.) Mitty? (although he could get some great day-dream viral videos out of that)
184 | UberInfidel67 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:31pm |
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.
I hope you mean that as in "they can't rely on anyone helping them" as opposed to "it's their problem and not ours"?
185 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:40pm |
re: #57 notutopia
The grand ole parties NEW YOUNG Savior?
I found that little display of projection particularly disgusting.
186 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:58pm |
re: #166 Opinionated
Charles had a thread about how the US is pulling out of Durban II.
Melanie Phillips on why it's not what is seems and Obama is screwing Israel.
[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. I think time will show "Honest broker" , "Moral Equivalence" surrendercrats are no friends of Israel!
189 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:11pm |
re: #179 Lincolntf
You wait for the "whole world to come together", and I'll wait for the Hale- Bopp comet to take me to Space Heaven.
See which happens first.
The reality is that in a year or two Israel could be a smoldering pile, and no appeals to some imaginary communal spirit of defense of the righteous will be able to prevent that. Only Israel can.
That's a pile.
190 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:17pm |
191 | UberInfidel67 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:36pm |
Merkin Muffley sounds like a male pron actor name.
192 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:46pm |
re: #188 buzzsawmonkey
One of the jokes-upon-jokes in "Dr. Strangelove" is that US President Merkin Muffley is bald.
G-D I love that movie
194 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:20pm |
re: #111 LemonJoose
Very well said, though I would argue it's Goldwater who would smack Rush right about now.
195 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:27pm |
re: #185 Sharmuta
I found that little display of projection particularly disgusting.
combine it with the "not quite ready for prime time" line and the subtext is...this guy's not running in 2012 so whomever the R's put forward is cut from the same old cloth.
196 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:47pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
His "creationists fossils" will be a big deficit here at LGF and over at Kos. Most mainstream voters won't decide based on that alone.
He separates Louisiana from the KKK/David Duke reputation because he's brown.
Young/metrosexual looking? I suppose. But, that doesn't mean he can't govern.
I do agree that the MSM will build him up to tear him down. But, that's the case for any GOP early leader.
197 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:53pm |
re: #187 NYCHardhat
He is dangerously naive. Or stupid. Or both.
199 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:54:32pm |
re: #131 Thanos
Well it would have been nice to learn something new about him in the interview, that was somewhat lightweight in coverage.
It was very fluffy and designed to get me to like him. I reject it utterly. It's msm BS.
200 | jmmejzz Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:55:00pm |
At least D'Amato learned quickly: only do a 60 Minutes interview LIVE otherwise refuse cuz you really have nothing to lose. It is an irrelevant news outlet.
201 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:55:53pm |
re: #142 buzzsawmonkey
As far as Jindal's participation in an exorcism is concerned, I'd overlook it gladly if he could get some New Orleans voodoo priestess to do some interesting and effective things to a wax doll of Ahmedinejad.
Or wax Ears & do something about earmarks
[Link: news.yahoo.com...] Even though President Barack Obama has repeatedly pledged to ban congressional earmarks, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has 16 such projects, worth about $8.5 million , in the bill the Senate is scheduled to begin debating Tuesday.
// Did I use the term "Ears" in reference to Obama policy? How insensitive. How racist. How earist. My apologies!
202 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:38pm |
re: #200 jmmejzz
At least D'Amato learned quickly: only do a 60 Minutes interview LIVE otherwise refuse cuz you really have nothing to lose. It is an irrelevant news outlet.
60 Minutes is trailer trash in a Brooks Brothers suit....
204 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:56pm |
re: #199 Sharmuta
Does 60 Minutes do real news? I thought they were "news magazine" news. Now that I've typed that, I'm trying to figure out who does, in fact, report hard news anymore and I'm coming up blank.
206 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:57pm |
re: #201 Gort
Or wax Ears & do something about earmarks
[Link: news.yahoo.com...] Even though President Barack Obama has repeatedly pledged to ban congressional earmarks, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has 16 such projects, worth about $8.5 million , in the bill the Senate is scheduled to begin debating Tuesday.
// Did I use the term "Ears" in reference to Obama policy? How insensitive. How racist. How earist. My apologies!
Obama has earmarks in this budget from when he was a part time senator
207 | debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:57:18pm |
re: #201 Gort
The earmarket is truly overwhelming the stockmarket.
208 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:57:37pm |
re: #199 Sharmuta
It was very fluffy and designed to get me to like him. I reject it utterly. It's msm BS.
Well I agree that this was designed to get Republicans to like him, there were enough coded messages to the rabid atheists on the left in the interview to let them know "watch this guy, start compiling the evidence". It was very slickly done - send the signal while pushing him forward. This is the left's choice for 2012.
209 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:05pm |
re: #206 Nevergiveup
Obama has earmarks in this budget from when he was a part time senator
He's left his earmarks all over it.
210 | LemonJoose Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:07pm |
re #114 ArmyWife:
That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.
The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.
211 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:36pm |
213 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:59:10pm |
214 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:59:19pm |
215 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:40pm |
re: #208 Thanos
I think that it's a given that any devout liberal will object to Jindal regardless of perceived media biases. Given his views on abortion, illegal aliens, and intelligent design. Thus it's not a winnable debate and that leaves Jindal or any other future Republican candidate with nothing to lose with regards to media exposure.
216 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:43pm |
re: #196 ratherdashing
I just had a long conversation with my liberal cousin on taxes. I think I may have made some headway with her concerning why it is I'm a republican. She's not listened to me on this issue much before, but she listened tonight. Then we discussed Jindal. Now- she's a science fan. She wants to go into a science field for a career. She was appalled by Jindal's comments. Then I told her of his exorcism, and she said that was enough.
We have a chance here in the next two elections to state a clear, fiscally responsible message that will resonate with people in this economy. We're wasting that opportunity by looking to people with baggage that's sinking them already. This man will not appeal to a wavering independent, moderate or democrat- he'll scare them.
217 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:45pm |
re: #210 LemonJoose
re #114 ArmyWife:
That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.
The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.
I was trying (and failing) to say this earlier. Thank you for putting it together in this way.
218 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:59pm |
re: #117 jcm
re: #210 LemonJoose
re #114 ArmyWife:
That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.
The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.
I repeat my re: #117 jcm
Alinsky rule #12 at work.
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Obama picks the target.... meanwhile the GOP falls all over themselves choosing sides....
Rush is not the target.
The policies of Obama / Reid / Pelosi are the target.
Steele vs. Rush is want Obama wants, infighting on the right while he socialize the country, bankrupts the economy, and surrenders our security.
219 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:01:29pm |
Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem
220 | Emperor Norton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:01:34pm |
My favorite part of this 60 Minutes video is where Morley Safer's head does one complete 360-degree turn.
221 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:01:47pm |
re: #204 ArmyWife
Does 60 Minutes do real news? I thought they were "news magazine" news. Now that I've typed that, I'm trying to figure out who does, in fact, report hard news anymore and I'm coming up blank.
I think there's a memo about that.
222 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:14pm |
re: #216 Sharmuta
I just had a long conversation with my liberal cousin on taxes. I think I may have made some headway with her concerning why it is I'm a republican. She's not listened to me on this issue much before, but she listened tonight. Then we discussed Jindal. Now- she's a science fan. She wants to go into a science field for a career. She was appalled by Jindal's comments. Then I told her of his exorcism, and she said that was enough.
We have a chance here in the next two elections to state a clear, fiscally responsible message that will resonate with people in this economy. We're wasting that opportunity by looking to people with baggage that's sinking them already. This man will not appeal to a wavering independent, moderate or democrat- he'll scare them.
Amen.
223 | NonNativeTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:15pm |
225 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:26pm |
re: #219 Nevergiveup
Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem
Yeah, but we don't have any Steely Eyed Missile Men to get the country back home.
227 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:35pm |
re: #210 LemonJoose
I think Rush was spot on - though I don't agree with 100% of what he says daily, his CPAC speech said what I expect Michael Steele to say. I wish we had a candidate who was as capable a public speaker as Rush, who was willing to speak as Rush does on the topics, and who was willing to call the Dems out for the idiots they are as Rush does.
McCain would take Rush on because McCain is moderate at best. This is one of the reasons we lost a very winnable election. We better learn from that or our clock will be cleaned again.
228 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:47pm |
re: #210 LemonJoose
Is Rush really "far-right" on social issues? I assume he opposes gay marriage like most conservatives (and Obama) and I assume he opposes Fed. funding of abortions (like most conservatives), but otherwise is he really "far right?"
I watched his speech at CPAC and listened to his show after the inauguration and found him to be pretty centrist. He doesn't hide his contempt for Leftism, but he doesn't advocate anything "far-right" as far as I've ever seen.
230 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:10pm |
I was uncomfortable watching that interview. They portrayed Jindal as a clumsy, dopey, wimpy nerd. (Oh yeah, he's Indian, did we mention that?) There was nothing flattering about that interview at all. Morley was condescending and almost reluctant. Even the clips they chose to use, bad angles, goofy laughing. I hate the MSM.
231 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:11pm |
re: #212 buzzsawmonkey
I think the proper spelling is ear-Marx, people.
It's quite the devilish shell game they have going:
Step 1) Run up the debt.
Step 2) Sell treasuries to finance debt.
Step 3) Enact policies that kill equities forcing people into treasuries
233 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:56pm |
re: #128 opinionated
All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.
Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon
U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid
What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.
While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.
Gaza doesn't want handouts, they want free access to kill Jews.
234 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:04:02pm |
No jokes about Michelle's earmarks, please...
235 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:04:36pm |
re: #28 Cognito
It wasn't racist, Ploome.
It' s actually a swipe at -- aw, forget it. You've made up your mind.
It's racist. Whatever. Boo.
ROFLMAO. Ding
237 | kingkenrod Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:11pm |
I keep hearing this idea that the MSM is setting Jindal up for 2012 so he can get beat by Obama.
Please.
The MSM is going to shit on ANY member of the GOP. Especially conservative members. And they're definitely not going to prop up a guy like Jindal who represents everything the GOP is not known for - young, ethnic, competent, a reformer. There's no way they are going to let the GOP remake their image.
The only reason they kissed up to McCain (before he won the nomination, anyway) was because he was so good at playing kissy-face with Democrats and MSM favorites like Hillary Clinton while combating his own party.
The NY Times brought up Jindal's unusual exorcism experience just last week:
All you have to do is a google search and read how badly Jindal is getting trashed in the MSM.
238 | livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:26pm |
239 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:32pm |
240 | NonNativeTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:53pm |
re: #228 Lincolntf
I agree, If you listen to Rush on a consistent basis, no way to
classify him as far right.
241 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:06:42pm |
re: #216 Sharmuta
This man will not appeal to a wavering independent, moderate or democrat- he'll scare them
I don't know if he's ready to be a candidate for President. I was excited that McCain considered him (and Palin) for the VP spot. He would have attracted Christian conservatives, moneyed Indians, and some rednecks. I can't think right now of a candidate that would appeal to the "wavering independent" and am not really sure we will ever be able to define what they want.
243 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:07:48pm |
re: #242 buzzsawmonkey
Stretch Marx is the communist version of Silly Putty: you can pick up news stories with it, but get them backwards, then stretch them out of shape. And if you expose it to persistent sunlight it will melt away.
dude, you rock.
244 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:11pm |
re: #232 buzzsawmonkey
Think of it! From "The Russians are coming!" to "The Rush-ians are coming!" in only 40 years.
Who says progress is dead?
The Russians Are Coming
245 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:22pm |
re: #210 LemonJoose
re #114 ArmyWife:
That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.
The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.
Rudy would mostly agree with Rush. And McCain? Nobody gives a shit what he thinks anymore. If you would just look around and listen more closely, there are many conservatives, other than Rush, that are saying basically the same thing as Limbaugh is saying; radio heads, politicians, former polititions, people on consevative blogs, as well as myself. There are many "spokesmen" for Reaganism. More than you probably want to imagine.
246 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:25pm |
re: #228 Lincolntf
He has noted support for creationism insofar as he has said evolutionists are not big tent because they are unwilling to accept the creationist views, though I couldn't state with certainty Rush Limbaugh himself is a creationist. Someone else may be able too.
I have also heard on his program that what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors is no one's business. The issue is when the word "right" gets tossed around, and the lifestyle is forced upon others that it becomes problematic.
247 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:29pm |
re: #242 buzzsawmonkey
Stretch Marx is the communist version of Silly Putty: you can pick up news stories with it, but get them backwards, then stretch them out of shape. And if you expose it to persistent sunlight it will melt away.
ha!...I'm staying for the lambchops...waiter!
248 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:09pm |
re: #114 ArmyWife
You must have missed this:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
thanks. I have to say this whole dust-up is so silly. The dems are loving it and using it to get their minions to open up their wallets again. and march to the pay-to-play business killing union.
249 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:20pm |
Okay, so there is a lot to pick on with the interview, but at least Mrs. Jindal looked nice.
Now if they could just stop talking about how she doesn't want her husband in politics...
250 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:23pm |
re: #241 ratherdashing
The American people will want a sound, fiscal policy; some grown-ups; positive and meaningful solutions.
I believe we can deliver, but Bobby's not the guy.
251 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:57pm |
re: #238 livefreeor die
It's hard to believe that this is all just pure incompetence.
It's not. It's planned and calculated. Obama only knows campaigning. He's running against Bush now. He has to discredited Bush any way he can to win.
He has ∅ experience actually running anything, or on his own performance, as a community organizer as a politician he has ALWAYS been against Big (fill in the blank) to pandering to his constituents.
252 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:10:06pm |
253 | lawhawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:10:17pm |
re: #237 kingkenrod
You're right that any GOPer is going to be trashed by the media, regardless of who it is, how qualified they are, and how awful Obama turns out to be (and he's already off to a flying start with selecting cronies and tax cheats galore).
Romney has the executive experience and economics and policy background, but the media will harp on his religious background. They'll do the same to Jindal vis a vis the exorcism and his ID stance.
The problem is not that the media is focusing on them, but that the media was also ignoring all of the problems associated with Obama on those same lines. A GOP candidate will not get that kind of support, which means a GOPer has to try that much hard and do things that much better to overcome the built in advantages to the Democrats.
And so far, few GOPers are lighting the fire - but it's still early. It also gets late early and the GOP has to start figuring out who it wants to cater to, how it wants to win back the voters, and prepare for 2012 by working to retake the House in 2010.
254 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:11:49pm |
re: #245 Soona'
Rudy would mostly agree with Rush. And McCain? Nobody gives a shit what he thinks anymore. If you would just look around and listen more closely, there are many conservatives, other than Rush, that are saying basically the same thing as Limbaugh is saying; radio heads, politicians, former polititions, people on consevative blogs, as well as myself. There are many "spokesmen" for Reaganism. More than you probably want to imagine.
WE may know who and what Rush is, but the other side does not. LemonJoose is correct when he/she says that to the left Rush is the figurehead for everything bad about the far right -fair or not.
255 | NonNativeTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:11:54pm |
re: #248 FrogMarch
thanks. I have to say this whole dust-up is so silly. The dems are loving it and using it to get their minions to open up their wallets again. and march to the pay-to-play business killing union.
I disagree. The DC republicans are so out of touch,
Rush needs to keep hammering them whether they listen or
not and let the chips fall where they may.
256 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:17pm |
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ron Kirk is latest Cabinet pick hit by tax woes;
Add former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk to the list of Obama Cabinet picks with tax problems.
What the first 3 didn't teach them to check the appointees taxes?
257 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:45pm |
re: #218 jcm
re: #210 LemonJoose
Obama picks the target.... meanwhile the GOP falls all over themselves choosing sides....Rush is not the target.
The policies of Obama / Reid / Pelosi are the target.
Steele vs. Rush is want Obama wants, infighting on the right while he socialize the country, bankrupts the economy, and surrenders our security.
But even you have to admit, I hope, that there has to be some moderate/democrat-appeasing deadwood that needs to be cut out of the Repub leadership.
258 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:49pm |
Think Fiscal Conservative for a 2012 candidate. This is what we NEED and also what will WIN the majority of the republican party, and many independent conservative leaning Democrats and Libertarians! We have got to take back this country of ours, shore up this pork spending and stop this slide into social fascism!
259 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:57pm |
re: #250 Sharmuta
I completely agree. But Bobby isn't the anti-Christ either. We don't need to settle, I am confident our candidate exists - so long as we don't expect one person to embody all that we've deemed perfect. We all have a variation on "perfect" though there are core values we seem to agree. That ought to be the clear focus.
260 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:14:15pm |
re: #255 NonNativeTexan
I disagree. The DC republicans are so out of touch,
Rush needs to keep hammering them whether they listen or
not and let the chips fall where they may.
The dust-up comes at a time when top Democrats are trying to make Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party, in part by using ads funded by labor. Americans United for Change sent a fund-raising e-mail Monday that begins: “The Republican Party has turned into the Rush Limbaugh Party.”
from the Politico article.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
261 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:14:28pm |
re: #254 Bloodnok
But they would say I am everything bad about the Right if they spent 5 minutes with me. What they mean is "Rush doesn't think like us liberals which means he is evil!"
262 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:15:09pm |
Russia
Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'
[Link: en.rian.ru...]
It's usually better not to make it know you were gonna shit can the missile defense system anyway before you try and bluff Putin. Ever play an poker Obama?
263 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:15:15pm |
re: #257 Soona'
But even you have to admit, I hope, that there has to be some moderate/democrat-appeasing deadwood that needs to be cut out of the Repub leadership.
Absolutely.
Right now we're playing into Obama's hands.
re: #255 NonNativeTexan
I disagree. The DC republicans are so out of touch,
Rush needs to keep hammering them whether they listen or
not and let the chips fall where they may.
Yep, it's the Beltway RNC that's the problem. Rush is closer to the core than anyone in the beltway.
We need to clean house on our terms. Not because we are provoked by Obama et. al.
264 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:15:56pm |
re: #254 Bloodnok
WE may know who and what Rush is, but the other side does not. LemonJoose is correct when he/she says that to the left Rush is the figurehead for everything bad about the far right -fair or not.
let me try again:
from the Politico
[Link: www.politico.com...]
The dust-up comes at a time when top Democrats are trying to make Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party, in part by using ads funded by labor. Americans United for Change sent a fund-raising e-mail Monday that begins: “The Republican Party has turned into the Rush Limbaugh Party.”
(better layout)
265 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:07pm |
re: #257 Soona'
But even you have to admit, I hope, that there has to be some moderate/democrat-appeasing deadwood that needs to be cut out of the Repub leadership.
who in the current leadership is causing you heartburn?
266 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:13pm |
re: #262 Nevergiveup
Russia
Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'[Link: en.rian.ru...]
It's usually better not to make it know you were gonna shit can the missile defense system anyway before you try and bluff Putin. Ever play an poker Obama?
What a fool!
267 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:28pm |
re: #259 ArmyWife
I'm not trying to paint him as the anti-Christ. I don't subscribe to that notion. I just think he's not nationally viable so we should move on and keep looking.
268 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:35pm |
Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.
Fuckstick.
269 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:09pm |
re: #242 buzzsawmonkey
Stretch Marx is the communist version of Silly Putty: you can pick up news stories with it, but get them backwards, then stretch them out of shape. And if you expose it to persistent sunlight it will melt away.
ROTFL
Shares in Unilever up sharply in after-hours trading after analysts predict increased demand for laundry detergent to remove skid-marx resulting from the market's drop earlier in the day.
270 | notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:22pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.
Fuckstick.
Link?
271 | NonNativeTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:25pm |
re: #260 FrogMarch
I'd rather be the Rush Limbaugh party than what they are now.
If we ever got a straight talking politician that wasn't PC and
could articulate conservative values, people would listen.
272 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:26pm |
273 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:18pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.
Fuckstick.
OBAMA 'READY TO DROP MISSILE SHIELD PLANS FOR RUSSIAN HELP ON IRAN'
Putin is playing right into our trap.
/
274 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:29pm |
276 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:37pm |
re: #267 Sharmuta
I think we are in the same camp with this one.
277 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:50pm |
278 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:54pm |
re: #262 Nevergiveup
Russia
Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'[Link: en.rian.ru...]
It's usually better not to make it know you were gonna shit can the missile defense system anyway before you try and bluff Putin. Ever play an poker Obama?
I knew the MSN was on the left, but a link to the Russian press ?
279 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:55pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.
Fuckstick.
BEYOND STUPID!
280 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:19:02pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.
Fuckstick.
Poland, under the bus.
281 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:19:03pm |
re: #273 Walter L. Newton
And this should be our bigger concern than Bobby Jindal at the moment.
282 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:19:46pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.
Fuckstick.
That wink from Putin is, however, priceless. That wink says he's got Barry right where he wants him and by the balls, too.
283 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:20:00pm |
re: #258 notutopia
Think Fiscal Conservative for a 2012 candidate. This is what we NEED and also what will WIN the majority of the republican party, and many independent conservative leaning Democrats and Libertarians! We have got to take back this country of ours, shore up this pork spending and stop this slide into social fascism!
who?....
Romney is a Mormon
Huntsman is a Mormon
Jindal is an idiot
Palin is a girl
Rudy is Rudy
Huckaby is a redneck
Jon Sanford is a creationist
Mitch McConnell ?
John Boehner ?
284 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:20:54pm |
re: #278 avanti
I knew the MSN was on the left, but a link to the Russian press ?
And that's different than a link to the NYT's how?
285 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:00pm |
re: #177 Russkilitlover
Is that a gherkin lurkin' in your Merkin?
Sorry. It's late and I'm tired.
Don't be jerking the Merkin to get to the gherkin. That kind of thing is a might irking.
286 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:04pm |
OBAMA 'READY TO DROP MISSILE SHIELD PLANS FOR RUSSIAN HELP ON IRAN'
Mr. President, quick foreign policy quiz. No trick questions, just a quick reality check.
Who has been Iran's patron in nuclear developement?
287 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:18pm |
Jindal, Palin or any other fresh face of the GOP best be prepared to step back for a while. One month into the Obama experience and the shape of things (the pain) to come is becoming ever more apparent. Given the current pace of change, there will be a very high premium on competence and experience in future elections.
Romney is well positioned. If he can sustain the counter argument to bloated government he, or someone else demonstrably competent, may well sweep to office in '12 over the dead body of our failed Utopian induced economy. A happy ending to a horror story I suppose. I'll probably be too old and too broke to care at that point however.
288 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:25pm |
re: #283 albusteve
who?....
Romney is a Mormon
Huntsman is a Mormon
Jindal is an idiot
Palin is a girl
Rudy is Rudy
Huckaby is a redneck
Jon Sanford is a creationist
Mitch McConnell ?
John Boehner ?
Stephen Hawking
289 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:39pm |
Surprise Asteroid Makes Near-Miss of Earth
The rock, estimated to be no more than 200 feet wide, zoomed past our planet at an altitude of 40,000 miles at 1:44 p.m. universal time — or 8:44 EST.
Dubbed 2009 DD45, it was discovered only on Friday by Australian astronomers.
Forty thousand miles may sound like a lot, but it's only about one-seventh of the way to the moon, and less than twice as far out as many telecommunications satellites.
Had 2009 DD45 hit the Earth, it would have exploded on or near the surface with the force of a large nuclear blast — not very reassuring when you consider humanity had only about three days' notice.
/it's just a matter of time
290 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:22:01pm |
re: #282 Russkilitlover
That wink from Putin is, however, priceless. That wink says he's got Barry right where he wants him and by the balls, too.
So much for the Kumbahyah commie types you've met so far President Obama. Here's a stone cold Stalin type to mentor you.....
291 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:22:49pm |
re: #192 Nevergiveup
G-D I love that movie
It's a sight you outta see! A big plane like a 52! Jet exhaust fryin' chickens in the barnyard!
292 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:22:55pm |
Obama pushes centers as one focus of health reform
As he announced the nominations of his two top health executives, Obama highlighted the allocation of $155 million to 126 community health centers as part of the $787 billion economic stimulus package.
I hope they are going to have really big waiting rooms.
293 | Syrah Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:11pm |
re: #219 Nevergiveup
Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem
Are you sure that's not on the financial channel?
294 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:17pm |
re: #254 Bloodnok
WE may know who and what Rush is, but the other side does not. LemonJoose is correct when he/she says that to the left Rush is the figurehead for everything bad about the far right -fair or not.
Rush's opinion is not "far right". Neither are most Reagan conservatives. All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.
295 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:21pm |
re: #289 Killian Bundy
There is opportunity here! QUICK! Let's certify each other as meteor watchers and get our bill for $8 katrillion up to the White House RIGHT NOW!
296 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:27pm |
re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So much for the Kumbahyah commie types you've met so far President Obama. Here's a stone cold Stalin type to mentor you.....
generally commies work well together...no surprise here
297 | wrenchwench Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:03pm |
re: #289 Killian Bundy
Surprise Asteroid Makes Near-Miss of Earth
/it's just a matter of time
Wouldn't a near-miss be a hit? Wouldn't a near-hit be a miss?
/I'm sure we have more important things to worry about
//
298 | livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:07pm |
re: #286 jcm
OBAMA 'READY TO DROP MISSILE SHIELD PLANS FOR RUSSIAN HELP ON IRAN'
Mr. President, quick foreign policy quiz. No trick questions, just a quick reality check.
Who has been Iran's patron in nuclear developement?
Can a president be recalled?
299 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:09pm |
But for Obama's race, Jindal would be nowhere, man.
300 | calcajun Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:19pm |
re: #220 Emperor Norton
My favorite part of this 60 Minutes video is where Morley Safer's head does one complete 360-degree turn.
Mother, make it stop!
301 | Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:59pm |
re: #292 jcm
Obama pushes centers as one focus of health reform
I hope they are going to have really big waiting rooms.
In other news, Tuesday's trading saw pharmaceuticals and health care shares plunge to new lows.....
303 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:13pm |
re: #288 Walter L. Newton
Stephen Hawking
Who is, regrettably...not an American. Not even with a nirth certifikit.
304 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:26pm |
re: #294 Soona'
Rush's opinion is not "far right". Neither are most Reagan conservatives. All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.
I'm not suggesting it is. But ask someone on the left who Rush is. See what they say.
305 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:31pm |
re: #296 albusteve
generally commies work well together...no surprise here
Obama is a cold stone Stalinist in Kumbaya clothing.
306 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:35pm |
307 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:43pm |
re: #298 livefreeor die
It's called impeachment. There is a way to do so for incompetence, however, based on what happened with Nixon, removal is near impossible.
308 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:46pm |
309 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:23pm |
re: #284 Nevergiveup
The only difference is that the Russian press actually turns a profit.
311 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:37pm |
re: #289 Killian Bundy
Crazy as hell. I posted this at noon (Eastern) today...
3/02/2009 9:00:16 am PST
I have a very bad thing to admit.
If I heard an asteroid was coming toward earth and was going to destroy everything tomorrow....I'd be okay with it. I'd be leaving nobody behind, everyone would be facing the same fate
312 | livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:41pm |
re: #306 OldLineTexan
Just like an ICBM.
;)
The way things are going, the ICBM would be less of a threat to our country.
315 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:11pm |
re: #307 ArmyWife
It's called impeachment. There is a way to do so for incompetence, however, based on what happened with Nixon, removal is near impossible.
We know felonies are enough.
316 | so.cal.swede Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:27pm |
Jindal could easily survive a straight up attack, and maybe even come out ahead. But this -- dimunition by patronization -- is lethal.
re: #10 Cognito
"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.
Loved you in Slumdog."
Reading your first and second comment together, the second makes sense. Reading your second comment alone, makes the reader believe that it was YOUR opinion of Jindal. not "what the MSM would say" about him.
It was still a bad comment though. Why would you assume that MSM would say that?
317 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:29pm |
re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Crazy as hell. I posted this at noon (Eastern) today...
3/02/2009 9:00:16 am PST
I have a very bad thing to admit.
If I heard an asteroid was coming toward earth and was going to destroy everything tomorrow....I'd be okay with it. I'd be leaving nobody behind, everyone would be facing the same fate
I would be pissed if I couldn't get a piece of it for my meteorite collection.
319 | Aviator Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:37pm |
re: #282 Russkilitlover
That wink from Putin is, however, priceless. That wink says he's got Barry right where he wants him and by the balls, too.
Where did he find them? Michelle's purse?
320 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:48pm |
Scientists make HIV strain that can infect monkeys
[Link: uk.reuters.com...]
I think I saw this movie. What could possibly go wrong?
322 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:09pm |
re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Crazy as hell. I posted this at noon (Eastern) today...
3/02/2009 9:00:16 am PST
I have a very bad thing to admit.If I heard an asteroid was coming toward earth and was going to destroy everything tomorrow....I'd be okay with it. I'd be leaving nobody behind, everyone would be facing the same fate
Imagine the skyrocketing booze prices ...
323 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:18pm |
re: #292 jcm
Health clinics reduce pressure on emergency rooms. They also operate at a lower cost and billing is typically more affordable for those that use them.
155 million is marked for 126 clinics. That comes out to 1.2 million per clinic on average which isn't very much in this day and age.
325 | ratherdashing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:42pm |
re: #294 Soona'
All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.
We've gotten so, so far away from that.
326 | livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:29:04pm |
re: #319 Aviator
Where did he find them? Michelle's purse?
I thought she kept them in a sparkling, hand cut crystal jar.
327 | Syrah Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:29:56pm |
re: #313 lawhawk
Deep Impact is on tomorrow...
Will Larry Kudlow or Jim Cramer be offering commentary? If so, that might be interesting.
328 | lobo91 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:30:39pm |
re: #294 Soona'
Rush's opinion is not "far right". Neither are most Reagan conservatives. All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.
By the left's definition, that makes him a dangerous right-wing radical.
329 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:30:41pm |
re: #321 buzzsawmonkey
Very good! Maybe we are looking in obvious places for our next candidate rather than the BEST place to find him/her. We want a politician that doesn't behave like a politician. It would seem to me our best course would be to pick someone with executive experience, but perhaps not in the political arena. Open our horizons, throw some names around that wouldn't be traditionally discussed.
330 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:31:28pm |
re: #304 Bloodnok
I'm not suggesting it is. But ask someone on the left who Rush is. See what they say.
He is the poster boy for the far right to the middle and the left. Steele seems pretty moderate, thus he's doomed.
331 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:32:31pm |
re: #328 lobo91
Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.
332 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:33:13pm |
re: #327 Syrah
Will Larry Kudlow or Jim Cramer be offering commentary? If so, that might be interesting.
/any day now, if this keeps up, I expect Cramer to douse himself with gasoline and immolate himself on the TV
333 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:33:38pm |
re: #313 lawhawk
Deep Impact is on tomorrow...
Oh good .. another Hollywood 'WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE' movie.
I have another scary movie they can make.
OBAMA.
Based on a real life story.
334 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:02pm |
re: #330 avanti
He is the poster boy for the far right to the middle and the left. Steele seems pretty moderate, thus he's doomed.
Wait, wait, wait... doomed for what? Your statement makes no sense. Steele is doomed NOT to be a poster boy, or what, what... in the least you are very confusing.
335 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:10pm |
flat out lying about YOUR money...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
336 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:12pm |
re: #265 cronus
who in the current leadership is causing you heartburn?
Let's see. Start with the RNC. I still haven't seen anything of a winning way with them. 3-4 senators (you know who they are). All the repubs who thought they could get away with the earmarks they have in the present budget bill. Several repub governers who've fallen for the zero's budget giveaway. Repub. pundits and reporters in DC whose noses are already scarred brown from being up the zero's ass. I'm sure there's more to the list, but I'm getting myself ready to leave work now.
337 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:16pm |
re: #304 Bloodnok
We're hearing some tough talk because they know the "hostages" are getting restless.
338 | lobo91 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:31pm |
re: #331 ArmyWife
Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.
Mostly because they control the media and the education system. Like it or not, the left gets to define our candidates for the majority of the electorate.
339 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:33pm |
re: #333 Buster Bunny
Oh good .. another Hollywood 'WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE' movie.
I have another scary movie they can make.
OBAMA.
Based on a real life story.
Is this the one where the protagonist drives the biggest economy in the world over a cliff?
And that is at the beginning of the movie.
340 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:03pm |
I feel this story is an important read for those less aware of the stalwart conservative that Canada's Stephen Harper really is.
By the Wall Street Journal. Harper is a Conservative, the strongest supporter of the State of Israel that I have seen in the West, and his government has been a champion of Democracy and Democratic Values.
341 | Syrah Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:06pm |
re: #332 Killian Bundy
/any day now, if this keeps up, I expect Cramer to douse himself with gasoline and immolate himself on the TV
His is one of the few shows that make me almost want to get a TV.
I can only imagine the conniption fits he must be having on a nightly basis now.
342 | Afrocity Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:37pm |
OT.
I am watching the O'Reilly Factor. Did anyone see Juan admit to Bill that he is becoming more conservative due to their friendship?
343 | Insufficiently Sensitive Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:42pm |
Morley Safer, dripping condescention and cynicism, is just the last guy I want to bring me the 'news'. He does his very best - and I admit he's good at the backhand, the brushoff, the sneer, and pissing in the soup - to pour scorn on Governor Jindal. Safer serves as a stalwart of the MSM 'making a difference', in the Democrats favor. His opinion piece is clearly a component of the MSM's pre-emptive attack on any and all upcoming Republicans who might grow to be serious contenders for future White House residency - it echoes the 180 degree turn the MSM made from liking Governor Palin, when she upset the good ol' Republican boys in Alaska, to hating her and doing their utmost to slander her when she appeared beside John McCain in opposition to their own preferred Obama.
Spare us these 'news' anchors, guard your remaining valuables, and if this viciously biased Safer character comes to town, prepare the tar and feathers.
344 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:59pm |
re: #336 Soona'
Let's see. Start with the RNC. I still haven't seen anything of a winning way with them. 3-4 senators (you know who they are). All the repubs who thought they could get away with the earmarks they have in the present budget bill. Several repub governers who've fallen for the zero's budget giveaway. Repub. pundits and reporters in DC whose noses are already scarred brown from being up the zero's ass. I'm sure there's more to the list, but I'm getting myself ready to leave work now.
So- they're RINOs in your opinion because they're not toeing the fiscal line?
345 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:23pm |
re: #342 Afrocity
OT.
I am watching the O'Reilly Factor. Did anyone see Juan admit to Bill that he is becoming more conservative due to their friendship?
Juan is a tolerable democrat.
346 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:34pm |
France: We'll quit UN conference if anti-Israel remarks made
Published: 03.03.09, 00:34 / Israel News
French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said his country would not hesitate to withdraw from the UN's anti-racism conference, scheduled to be held in April in Geneva, should any remarks be made against Israel or Jews. (AFP)
He has got to fuckin kidding? Nobody can be that stupid?
348 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:45pm |
re: #304 Bloodnok
I'm not suggesting it is. But ask someone on the left who Rush is. See what they say.
But you don't get it. I could give a flying shit what the left thinks of Rush.
349 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:37:09pm |
re: #323 Gus 802
Health clinics reduce pressure on emergency rooms. They also operate at a lower cost and billing is typically more affordable for those that use them.
155 million is marked for 126 clinics. That comes out to 1.2 million per clinic on average which isn't very much in this day and age.
Once it starts, it won't end.
350 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:37:41pm |
re: #339 Kosh's Shadow
Is this the one where the protagonist drives the biggest economy in the world over a cliff?
And that is at the beginning of the movie.
They can have a cast of good quality stars in this movie.
Paul Newman, Michael Hutchence, Heath Ledger, Mahatma Ghandi, Benazir Bhutto, John F Kennedy and of course Marilyn Monroe.
Yes they are all dead, but he needs someone to make him look good.
351 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:37:56pm |
re: #331 ArmyWife
Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.
I believe it matters because we are after 5-10 percentage points worth of people who voted for Obama in the last election (more if we can get it).
352 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:13pm |
re: #341 Syrah
His is one of the few shows that make me almost want to get a TV.
I can only imagine the conniption fits he must be having on a nightly basis now.
/I watch the show and it's getting hard to watch, he's totally turned on everything Obama
353 | Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:13pm |
re: #342 Afrocity
OT.
I am watching the O'Reilly Factor. Did anyone see Juan admit to Bill that he is becoming more conservative due to their friendship?
Then he should become friends with us here and complete the transformation
354 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:40pm |
re: #331 ArmyWife
Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.
you are exactly right.
we shouldn't give any consideration to what the left thinks.
when mccain tried to appease or relate to them, he was used, manipulated and
then kicked in the teeth.
the left can not be trusted and can not be looked to for respect and acceptance.
they are the enemy, thru ignorance or design, as is the msm.
355 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:43pm |
re: #331 ArmyWife
Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.
It only matters if you want to win elections and you can't do that with the shrinking base.
356 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:02pm |
If Republicans were smart they would stop the petty bickereing and start showcasing real people - real people can make the case that Obama is a disaster.
Dr. Sharon Poczatek, who runs her own dental practice in Boulder, Colo., said that she too is trying to figure out ways to get out of paying the taxes proposed in Obama’s plan.“I’ve put thought into how to get under $250,000,” said Poczatek. “It would mean working fewer days which means having fewer employees, seeing fewer patients and taking time off.”
“Generally it means being less productive,” she said.
“The motivation for a lot of people like me – dentists, entrepreneurs, lawyers – is that the more you work the more money you make,” said Poczatek. “But if I’m going to be working just to give it back to the government — it’s de-motivating and demoralizing.”
Pretty much sums it up.
via insta
357 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:07pm |
By 2012 I am pretty sure we can run the Shamwow guy and have a fair chance of winning.
359 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:12pm |
re: #337 Sharmuta
We're hearing some tough talk because they know the "hostages" are getting restless.
Thou rocketh. Good to see you tonight! :-)
360 | Afrocity Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:41pm |
re: #353 Nevergiveup
Then he should become friends with us here and complete the transformation
I agree. I knew there was hope for Juan. How can anyone work for Fox and not see things differently? Unless you are Alan Colmes or that ditz Kirsten Powers.
361 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:50pm |
re: #357 unclassifiable
By 2012 I am pretty sure we can run the Shamwow guy and have a fair chance of winning.
I love that guy.
362 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:40:16pm |
re: #355 avanti
It only matters if you want to win elections and you can't do that with the shrinking base.
If Obama's election was penile and he's dealing with a shrinking base of supporters .. even Viagra wont get him across the line in two years .. let alone four.
363 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:40:51pm |
364 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:40:55pm |
re: #360 Afrocity
I agree. I knew there was hope for Juan. How can anyone work for Fox and not see things differently? Unless you are Alan Colmes or that ditz Kirsten Powers.
GAG. she is clue by four worthy.
365 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:18pm |
re: #351 Bloodnok
We won't get the far left. Ever. If we could, McCain would have been our guy. Instead, we need to focus on protecting and defending the Constitution, and not spending like drunken sailors. With that, we will get our base, and those in the center. The loons can vote for Kucinich. Oh, and we can give them all the Ron Paulians, too. As a parting gift.
366 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:19pm |
367 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:43pm |
re: #355 avanti
The "shrinking base" is about to be joined by millions of Americans who counted on their "tax-cut calculators" to figure out how much new money they'd get under Obama. When those windfalls turn into bills, as they inevitably must, then the new "base" will be slapping Romney stickers over their Pepsi logos. Count on it.
368 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:46pm |
re: #336 Soona'
I think that leaves like 5 people...but I guess it would be a fresh start.
369 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:07pm |
re: #347 buzzsawmonkey
I would suggest that people thrashing around for a new leader are making a mistake. "Great white hopes" never work out.
The current lack of some kind of standard-bearer is a gift, to the extent people can spend their energies not on looking for a guy on horseback, but trying to look at and support/encourage the local talent that will be necessary to build an alternative from the ground up.
Rush said it today (am I allowed to quote Rush?)
Paraphrase from memory
We don't need a leader. We the people need to tell the RNC what we want, we need to tell all the elected (R)s want we want, and if they don't perform. Toss them.
371 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:34pm |
re: #355 avanti
It only matters if you want to win elections and you can't do that with the shrinking base.
If we quit trying to be all things to all people and stick to true conservatism then the base might grow instead of shrink.
/Are you saying we can't win elections unless we care about what the left thinks?)
372 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:36pm |
re: #366 bellamags
LOL. wtf are you talking about?
he does a food chopper thing too....and that's what he says
373 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:43pm |
re: #349 jcm
Once it starts, it won't end.
What's the alternative? OK, there could be state funding. But the other alternative would be to close down clinics. That would result in astronomical catastrophic emergency care for many citizens. The budget of course could be seen as a balancing act in this matter. 155 million can be made up by reducing or ending foreign aid to most countries. We send 100 million to singles nations yearly. While that could be seen as a humanitarian issue I think that American citizens should be first in line for humanitarian aid.
Of course they won't reduce or stop foreign aid or other wasteful or non-American related projects. That's the crux of the problem with Democrats in which they want to have it all taking things to a utopian extreme. In this case health clinics in America should have priority over international aid.
374 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:52pm |
re: #366 bellamags
He says that in the commercial. Someone cue the tape!
375 | Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:58pm |
re: #351 Bloodnok
I believe it matters because we are after 5-10 percentage points worth of people who voted for Obama in the last election (more if we can get it).
No we're not. We're focusing on getting all the repubs who didn't vote this last time because we, for all practical purposes, fielded a left leaning/democrat appeasing moderate.
376 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:22pm |
re: #346 Nevergiveup
France: We'll quit UN conference if anti-Israel remarks made
Published: 03.03.09, 00:34 / Israel News
French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said his country would not hesitate to withdraw from the UN's anti-racism conference, scheduled to be held in April in Geneva, should any remarks be made against Israel or Jews. (AFP)He has got to fuckin kidding? Nobody can be that stupid?
Meanwhile, the 0bamanation administration is staying on as observers.
And they're re-joining the (lack of) Human Rights Council.
Who'd have thunk it? The French administration less anti-Semitic than the American one.
377 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:46pm |
re: #361 bellamags
Could you please explain your nic? If I'm not being too nosy.
378 | lawhawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:48pm |
re: #361 bellamags
Billy Mays would kick his ass. Kaboom baby!
379 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:59pm |
re: #376 Kosh's Shadow
Meanwhile, the 0bamanation administration is staying on as observers.
And they're re-joining the (lack of) Human Rights Council.Who'd have thunk it? The French administration less anti-Semitic than the American one.
I dont think about the French ..
No. Really.
380 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:44:23pm |
re: #350 Buster Bunny
They can have a cast of good quality stars in this movie.
Paul Newman, Michael Hutchence, Heath Ledger, Mahatma Ghandi, Benazir Bhutto, John F Kennedy and of course Marilyn Monroe.
Yes they are all dead, but he needs someone to make him look good.
That's OK; they can do great things with technology nowadays.
Besides, the all vote in Chicago elections.
381 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:44:24pm |
What a crappy day. Thank God I have Jack Bauer to make me feel better with a little bit of old school coercion.
382 | Arby Dwiar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:44:26pm |
re: #111 LemonJoose
OT:
I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.
There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.
But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.
Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.
OK - I get it - saw this post a few times.
Thanks. Will take it under advisement.
...
384 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:24pm |
I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.
385 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:25pm |
386 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:32pm |
re: #378 lawhawk
Billy Mays would kick his ass. Kaboom baby!
Billy Mays has lost a step...it would be close...ShamWow guy has pointed hair too
387 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:43pm |
re: #357 unclassifiable
By 2012 I am pretty sure we can run the Shamwow guy and have a fair chance of winning.
The stuff he sells works better than the stuff the 0bama administration is pushing. If the ShamWow worked the same as the administration, it would make what you were trying to dry even wetter.
388 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:03pm |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Could you please explain your nic? If I'm not being too nosy.
Its a combo of the names of the two dogs I had at the time, Bella and Maggie
389 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:08pm |
Morely Saffer mentions corruption - but not any of the massive corruption taking place on the Democrat side. (gee - I wonder why?)
390 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:08pm |
re: #384 FrogMarch
I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.
What .. you dont get an orgasm when he speaks? Apparently CNN does.
391 | Gordon Marock Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:11pm |
McCain was a pathetic loser. Furthermore, if Jindal is the future of the Republican party, count me the fuck out.
392 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:34pm |
re: #384 FrogMarch
I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.
uh-um-mmmm-uh-uh-mm-yes-mmmm-uh. It's simple.
393 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:38pm |
re: #362 Buster Bunny
If Obama's election was penile and he's dealing with a shrinking base of supporters .. even Viagra wont get him across the line in two years .. let alone four.
Ok, if you really believe that, it will be a cake walk. Just relax, pick anyone you like and it's a slam dunk. Just remember, many of you are still confused as to why BO won and is still popular, so you might want to prepare for the unexpected.
394 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:44pm |
re: #388 bellamags
Thanks. Always wondered. Don't see you around so much anymore.
395 | capitalist piglet Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:49pm |
I heard on the radio today (on Rush or Michael Medved's program) that the one department whose budget Obama has proposed to gradually decrease is...guess what, guys.
The Department of Homeland Security.
397 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:59pm |
re: #391 Gordon Marock
McCain was a pathetic loser. Furthermore, if Jindal is the future of the Republican party, count me the fuck out.
Jindal has no chance. We need a Reaganite.
398 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:37pm |
re: #384 FrogMarch
Because we said he was. Do not question this again or there will be regrettable consequences.
/
399 | Arby Dwiar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:40pm |
re: #159 Sharmuta
I think Newt is out of his mind.
No - he just needed a lint brush for the interview...
400 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:41pm |
re: #375 Soona'
When the GOP pisses off fiscal conservatives, fisc-cons stay home or vote 3rd party. It is a fisc-con who can get us in the WH, fisc-cons who can recapture Congress, fisc-cons who will have a willing audience willing to listen to a positive fiscal policy that will end this crisis and start America's recovery. And it is fisc-cons who will appeal to the middle electorate we DO need to win. Poo-poo the "undecideds" if you want, but they're needed on election night. No campaign would tell you otherwise.
402 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:00pm |
re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks. Always wondered. Don't see you around so much anymore.
Its busy season at the salon. No time in the morning anymore to have fun on lgf.
403 | Gordon Marock Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:04pm |
404 | jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:04pm |
re: #373 Gus 802
What's the alternative? OK, there could be state funding. But the other alternative would be to close down clinics. That would result in astronomical catastrophic emergency care for many citizens. The budget of course could be seen as a balancing act in this matter. 155 million can be made up by reducing or ending foreign aid to most countries. We send 100 million to singles nations yearly. While that could be seen as a humanitarian issue I think that American citizens should be first in line for humanitarian aid.
Of course they won't reduce or stop foreign aid or other wasteful or non-American related projects. That's the crux of the problem with Democrats in which they want to have it all taking things to a utopian extreme. In this case health clinics in America should have priority over international aid.
The alternative is not not government health care. See re: #356 FrogMarch. There is a lot to been done to dial back health care costs, taxes, regulations, tort reform, etc...
Once a government run clinic opens, it won't be but a few years and we'll make Britain's health care look good.
405 | UberInfidel67 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:09pm |
re: #388 bellamagsAwww how sweet is that. Now if I can only combine the names of my cats, Angel, Buffy and Foodstamp...what kind of nic could I come up with?
407 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:25pm |
re: #401 Soona'
Me too. Gonna lurk fer a minute then crash. I'm tarred.
409 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:43pm |
re: #383 buzzsawmonkey
Ha! I may be less corpulent, less well-known, and infinitely less solvent than Rush Limbaugh, but I agree with him.
OTOH, to my delight you are a linguistically lucid lizard.
410 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:52pm |
re: #393 avanti
Ok, if you really believe that, it will be a cake walk. Just relax, pick anyone you like and it's a slam dunk. Just remember, many of you are still confused as to why BO won and is still popular, so you might want to prepare for the unexpected.
I'm not confused as to why he won. Democrats were pissed at more of the same and not getting someone in, so they took a real different approach. They changed the game. Republicans didnt catch on to that and they are still playing the old game. Its a new era in politics after Obama and the game has changed.
411 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:57pm |
re: #384 FrogMarch
I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.
/i.e., most of his adulants cannot read
412 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:49:07pm |
re: #365 ArmyWife
We won't get the far left. Ever. If we could, McCain would have been our guy. Instead, we need to focus on protecting and defending the Constitution, and not spending like drunken sailors. With that, we will get our base, and those in the center. The loons can vote for Kucinich. Oh, and we can give them all the Ron Paulians, too. As a parting gift.
I agree with everything except the first sentence. I didn't suggest we get the far left. Just 5-10 in the middle. That's all it takes. And IMO we're only a few outdated and unpopular SoCon ideas away from doing that (ideas which happen to run against the whole "defend the Constitution" thing, like Creationism and anti-Gay marriage amendments).
416 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:02pm |
417 | lobo91 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:03pm |
re: #395 capitalist piglet
I heard on the radio today (on Rush or Michael Medved's program) that the one department whose budget Obama has proposed to gradually decrease is...guess what, guys.
The Department of Homeland Security.
That's not the only one. He's also planning to cut defense spending.
418 | UberInfidel67 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:11pm |
re: #408 ArmyWife
ROFLMAO****** Now when I have to yell at them all at once, it will be Abuffstamp! lol
421 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:57pm |
re: #416 NYCHardhat
Bellamags is a *gasp* she?
422 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:51:00pm |
re: #375 Soona'
No we're not. We're focusing on getting all the repubs who didn't vote this last time because we, for all practical purposes, fielded a left leaning/democrat appeasing moderate.
Keep telling yourself that.
423 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:51:36pm |
425 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:03pm |
OT: I just saved this story to mht since i'm not sure when, if ever, I'll see anything like it again:
Clinton doubtful Iran will respond to US diplomacy
Sounds like a wise doubt to have, yet she won't confirm she said it, and it starts to go down the memory-hole:
Clinton reiterates desire to engage with Iran
(Original link title: Clinton doubts Iran will respond to US overtures)
""As President (Barack) Obama says, we are willing to extend a hand if the other side unclenches its fist in order to have some process of engagement but it will only be done in close consultation with our friends," she said at a press conference after an international donor conference on aid to Gaza.
Clinton however, declined to elaborate on remarks by a US official who quoted her as saying that she doubted Iran would respond to overtures by Obama."
426 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:03pm |
re: #417 lobo91
That's not the only one. He's also planning to cut defense spending.
Yeah I found it funny that the MSM reported that he will increase defense 2.9%. Well, that is the raise to the military pay that is by law, he will cut spending on the important things like, you know, weapons/defense.
427 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:13pm |
Is there a Republican that anyone here actually likes? Just curious.
Anyone have anything against congressman Jeff Flake from AZ? You want fiscally conservative, he's the man.
How about Pete Hoekstra of MI? I'd vote for him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
How about Mark Souder from IN?
I'm interested in your opinions. Seriously.
428 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:30pm |
re: #10 Cognito
"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.
Loved you in Slumdog."
Great line, Cog, and with the biggest split I've even seem here (as of this post). 7 seven updings, 7 downdings. I liked it though.
429 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:33pm |
430 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:55pm |
431 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:11pm |
OT :
From a Dutch interview Filip De Winter gave on his new book:
Is his book Filip Dewinter aims not at Muslims, but at Islam as an ideology. "The moderate Muslims are many but they are not relevant. The radical Muslims who have the mosques in their power are," he said tonight on Terzake (Canvas). He also spoke on Nieuws of VTM.
Dewinter wants to cut off the Muslims by pursuing a strict policy concerning antenna dishes, internet and other digital communications. The Flemish and local governments should conduct a stricter study of mosques for recognition and subsidies. They must be subjected to permanent security supervision. The buildings that Islam is expanding in Flanders and Europe should be cut back.
Filip Dewinter wrote his book under his own name, but had his party administration read it. It seems that the points of view correspond to a large degree with those of Vlaams Belang. Dewinter thinks that the debate about Islam should be conducted during the upcoming elections campaign.
432 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:16pm |
434 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:24pm |
re: #427 CommonCents
Is there a Republican that anyone here actually likes? Just curious.
Anyone have anything against congressman Jeff Flake from AZ? You want fiscally conservative, he's the man.
How about Pete Hoekstra of MI? I'd vote for him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
How about Mark Souder from IN?
I'm interested in your opinions. Seriously.
all smoke and no fire here....
435 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:32pm |
re: #430 NYCHardhat
To tell you the truth, punch-drunk from Obama.
I understand. The idiocy is overwhelming. I just walk around in a daze.
436 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:40pm |
re: #400 Sharmuta
Furthermore- name a republican who won't vote for a staunch fisc-con this next Presidential election? Not likely to happen after 4 years of this socialist BS.
The fisc-cons need to step up for 2010- they'll help pave the way for 2012.
437 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:55pm |
re: #397 NYCHardhat An honest question- not picking a fight. Define a Reaganite, either as a person or as an approach to politics and governing.
I agree, Jindal isn't the solution. I'm not sure who or what is.
439 | Arby Dwiar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:06pm |
re: #427 CommonCents
Is there a Republican that anyone here actually likes? Just curious.
Anyone have anything against congressman Jeff Flake from AZ? You want fiscally conservative, he's the man.
How about Pete Hoekstra of MI? I'd vote for him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
How about Mark Souder from IN?
I'm interested in your opinions. Seriously.
See comment #17.
440 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:07pm |
re: #427 CommonCents
I'm a big fan of Romney. He was my Governor and did his darndest to fight the tide of corruption/Leftism in MA. He didn't always succeed, but I'd trust that guy with my principles more than anyone else in the field.
441 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:41pm |
re: #433 buzzsawmonkey
I've decided to grow coal plants on my windowsill.
I'm cultivating blame bushes in my greenhouse as we speak.
442 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:52pm |
re: #412 Bloodnok
Because I am a SoCon, this is lost on me. I will a goner if we run a candidate that isn't willing to defend and protect the Constitution, which doesn't mean Creationism is now science, btw.
443 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:04pm |
re: #427 CommonCents
There's lots of Republicans I like, I'm not willing to talk about any of them for president yet. Doing that draws focus from the 2010 elections, which are really more important.
444 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:10pm |
re: #437 jim in virginia
An honest question- not picking a fight. Define a Reaganite, either as a person or as an approach to politics and governing.
I agree, Jindal isn't the solution. I'm not sure who or what is.
Fiscal conservative with a strong defense/military minded budget with a badass haircut.
445 | stevieray Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:53pm |
The Republican party had its best showing in 1994, when they drew up a conservative platform based on fiscal responsibility and smaller government. They recruited a bunch of fresh faces, DC outsiders, who actually believed in the promises of the platform, and ran on them.
Over time, they lost their way... DC has that seductive power. Watching billions of dollars flow through their hands was too much for them... they began believing in silly things, like "compassionate conservatism", and "conservative social welfare programs". Those things do not exist... government is a knife that only cuts to the left.
To regain power, they need to start over again with new, fresh faces... people from outside government, who will apply conservative principles when elected -- at least, for a while. Spend too much time in DC, and even the staunchest conservative will be seduced by the money, the power, the fantasy that government largesse can somehow be "conservative".
In short, liberalism is served by creating a DC based machine... conservatism only lives outside of Washington, and as such, will need to be renewed from the hinterlands every single generation. There will never be a DC conservative establishment.
446 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:56pm |
re: #441 bellamags
I'm cultivating blame bushes in my greenhouse as we speak.
I'm going to just grow grass.
447 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:01pm |
re: #381 CommonCents
What a crappy day. Thank God I have Jack Bauer to make me feel better with a little bit of old school coercion.
Agreed. Check out 24 tonight. It's very good.
448 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:28pm |
re: #425 Gort
OT: I just saved this story to mht since i'm not sure when, if ever, I'll see anything like it again:
Clinton doubtful Iran will respond to US diplomacy
Sounds like a wise doubt to have, yet she won't confirm she said it, and it starts to go down the memory-hole:
Clinton reiterates desire to engage with Iran
(Original link title: Clinton doubts Iran will respond to US overtures)""As President (Barack) Obama says, we are willing to extend a hand if the other side unclenches its fist in order to have some process of engagement but it will only be done in close consultation with our friends," she said at a press conference after an international donor conference on aid to Gaza.
Clinton however, declined to elaborate on remarks by a US official who quoted her as saying that she doubted Iran would respond to overtures by Obama."
Iran will respond once they have a nuke.
/I wish this were sarc.
449 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:32pm |
re: #444 NYCHardhat
Fiscal conservative with a strong defense/military minded budget with a badass haircut.
You are right. Someone who is charismatic enough that the MSM will have a hard time making them look weak or inept.
450 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:39pm |
Gulf TV in Hebrew seeks to educate Israelis on Islam
Leaders of the Support Prophet Mohammed Organization, based in the Gulf state Bahrain, stressed on Sunday the need to establish a TV channel in Hebrew to teach Israelis about Islam's values, the Dubai-based newspaper Gulf News reported.
The organization hopes that with the help of television, which they consider to be the most effective medium, and by using people familiar with Israeli society, they can present explanations about Islam to Jews and help them better appreciate the religion, the paper reported.
/I'm pretty sure that Israel gets all they need to know about Islam flying randomly out of Gaza in a daily basis
451 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:41pm |
re: #437 jim in virginia
An honest question- not picking a fight. Define a Reaganite, either as a person or as an approach to politics and governing.
I agree, Jindal isn't the solution. I'm not sure who or what is.
A man who has acted with a monkey, governed a Democratic State, and laughed at the actual idea of becoming president.
452 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:50pm |
re: #371 pink freud
If we quit trying to be all things to all people and stick to true conservatism then the base might grow instead of shrink.
/Are you saying we can't win elections unless we care about what the left thinks?)
Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.
453 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:57:04pm |
re: #449 bellamags
You are right. Someone who is charismatic enough that the MSM will have a hard time making them look weak or inept.
Thats where the hair comes in.
454 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:57:23pm |
re: #413 Iron Fist
That does pretty well sum things up. Me, I'd like to have that problem, though. So would a lot of people. Which is, of course, what makes taxing the "wealthy" appealing. Of course, by "wealthy" the Democrats never mean the truly wealthy trust-fund gazillionairs like, I dunno, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry. They really mean the upper middle class. There goal is to keep them from becoming truly wealthy, because then their children would be able to compete with the Democrats living off of Daddy's (or Grandpappy's) hard work, dangerous trades, or risk of going to Prison (or all of the above).
That could never be allowed to happen. Thus the desire to tax these people out of existance.
yes - and the democrats never think about the dental assistant, who makes considerably less per year, who will soon be out of a job.
Of course according to KOS fascists - the dentist is "greedy".
How dare she want to work hard and keep what she earns.
and never mind that the dentist already pays high taxes.
Payroll tax, income tax, property tax, various sales tax, etc... etc...
The democrats live and breathe to hike taxes, and as such, they are going to kill-off regular every-day business - the heart and soul of this nation.
The democrats do not believe in trickle down. Which is just like not believing in gravity.
455 | Gordon Marock Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:01pm |
re: #451 Buster Bunny
A man who has acted with a monkey, governed a Democratic State, and laughed at the actual idea of becoming president.
A man who has acted with a monkey and not had his face ripped off.
456 | _RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:33pm |
Remember this quote by Valerie Jarrett of Obama's transition team?
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
Based on how he has spent his first 6 weeks as President, it sure looks like he wants to "rule" instead of "govern." I hope the Repubs are ready to "cue up" this bite when things start to collapse.
457 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:37pm |
re: #455 Gordon Marock
A man who has acted with a monkey and not had his face ripped off.
Bonzo was an ape!
458 | UberInfidel67 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:54pm |
re: #452 avanti
It may seem that way OVERALL, but rest assured, there are pockets of young conservatives who know what the deal is. I have seen and talked with many of them myself. Just don't be suprised........
459 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:59:05pm |
re: #417 lobo91
He's also planning to cut defense spending.
/just keeping his campaign promises, it's not like this is a surprise
460 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:59:19pm |
re: #445 stevieray
Exactly, if we want to stop the O we better concentrate on congress first. That takes a platform and initiatives that Americans will buy into, like Newt's contract.
461 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:59:52pm |
re: #453 NYCHardhat
Thats where the hair comes in.
who can it be? it needs to be someone already in the public eye, someone vetted and able to withstand and rise above all the MFMSM BS.
462 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:00:41pm |
re: #445 stevieray
It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.
463 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:01:23pm |
Jack Bauer's best line ever (delivered to Kurtwood Smith's pompous Senator): "And you sir are weak! Unable and unwilling to look evil in the eye and deal with it!" Sadly, that describes the majority of the Senate, of both parties.
464 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:01:35pm |
IMHO
OK
IMRHO
The GOP has allowed themselves to get distracted on some petty and destructive tangents. Part of this is self inflicted. Part of this is allowing the left to define us.
First and foremost we have to understand that everything we stand for is based on the frailty fo the human character. Liberals would have you believe that humans can be perfected. That given enough training, indoctrination, guidance, education, self-reflection, etc. that it is possible to build perfect human being and, ergo, a perfect society. The first and foremost thing we as conservatives need to point out is how much fallacy there is in this belief.
Now the left is going to say that we have constructed a straw man but how else does one explain their continual insistence on the concentration of power and collectivism. Inevitably there has to be a belief that the people to which power is concentrated, by there education, upbringing, titles, or whatever are infallible.
The next fall back position of the left will be to say, well they are not infallible -- mistakes will be made...
Well if that is the case then why do we want those mistakes to impact everyone. If the government owns banking through nationalization, one mistake in a governing board sinks all banking. Same with health care. Same with the auto industry.
What we need to get back to is the idea that humans are fallible, and , therefore, it is best, in as many ways as possible to allow a plurality of approaches. This is best afforded by, free market capitalism, a pluralistic democratic republic, and the assurance of inalienable rights as delineated in the Constitution -- especially the Bill of Rights.
Our aim should not be to return to a past status simply because it agrees with the conditions at the founding or some past period of timed deemed desirable. Our aim should be to use our collective liberty to deal with the here and now and the future.
465 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:01:51pm |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Check out 24 tonight. It's very good.
Roger that. I'm an EST'er so I'm watching now. His confrontation with the Senator was classic.
466 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:02:29pm |
I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.
/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status
467 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:02:40pm |
re: #415 buzzsawmonkey
Because when he's in the groove he can make empty blather sound like it means something, and make people believe that they are not going to get reamed by his policies.
and he uses semantic gymnastics like no other. Me - I can smell the BS a mile away.
469 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:03:45pm |
re: #462 Sharmuta
It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.
I recently made contact with someone I haven't seen in 20 years. We agreed faces need to be seen and voices need to be heard. We are thinking about organizing something with others in the area. Don't know how we will make a difference, but its a start.
471 | Syrah Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:02pm |
re: #352 Killian Bundy
/I watch the show and it's getting hard to watch, he's totally turned on everything Obama
I guess I am glad I have missed them then.
Obama is the worst thing to happen to the markets since . . . ever.
473 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:32pm |
re: #450 Killian Bundy
Gulf TV in Hebrew seeks to educate Israelis on Islam
/I'm pretty sure that Israel gets all they need to know about Islam flying randomly out of Gaza in a daily basis
Deleted, deleted, deleted deleted deleted deleted. Deleted.
OMG. LOL. SOB.
I'm sorry. I have put up with years of 'learning about Islam'--thanks, I actually know a fair bit--but trying to pull this CRAP on Israelis is just too &****ing stupid for words.
Screeeaaaaaaam.
OK. Better now.
475 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:44pm |
re: #466 Killian Bundy
I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.
/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status
That's a one-way ticket to sand huts and camel wagons. I must say, I've always wondered what it would be like to ride a rickshaw to work in the winter time.
476 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:46pm |
re: #462 Sharmuta
It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.
I have Loppyd on my side helping me get involved in the NH GOP. I am looking forward to it.
477 | UberInfidel67 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:16pm |
From my inbox:
Sex In The Shower?
In a recent survey carried out for leading toiletries firm 'Brut', people from Chicago have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower!
In the survey, 86% of Chicago's elite residents, and government officials (almost all of whom are registered Democrats) said that they have enjoyed sex in the shower.
The other 14% said they hadn't been to prison yet.
478 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:25pm |
Join Michael Steele's RNC Grassroots here
479 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:33pm |
blood sugar just dropped - must find food. bbl
480 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:40pm |
re: #466 Killian Bundy
I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.
/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status
look for brown outs and black outs and electric bills that will be difficult to pay even if the juice is on.
481 | ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:06:07pm |
This breaks my heart. I can't imagine how frightening it would be to have the full force and power of the U.S. Government against you. I hope the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund can help her (and others). I guess the only people who get out after serving about half their sentence are terrorists like Khalid Al-Jawary..
Stephanie Mohr was serving her community as a county police officer for over nine years. In 1995, she received a call about two illegal aliens, Ricardo Mendez and Herrera Cruz, who were burglary suspects. While she was trying to apprehend the two, Mendez began to flee the scene. Following police guidelines and procedure, Mohr released her police dog and it grabbed Mendez on the leg and held him. Five years after the incident she was convicted of a federal civil rights violation. Stephanie Mohr is now serving her sixth year of a ten-year sentence in prison with her now seven-year-old son waiting at home. In order to protect her community, Stephanie Mohr took standard police measures to prevent an escape. LELDF is currently funding Stephanie’s legal costs. Stephanie had to endure two trials when the first trial ended with an 11-1 vote for acquittal. The aggressive Civil Rights Division of the U. S. Department of Justice decided to pursue a second trial. Following a denial of a new trial we are appealing to the U. S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
482 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:06:16pm |
re: #410 Buster Bunny
I'm not confused as to why he won. Democrats were pissed at more of the same and not getting someone in, so they took a real different approach. They changed the game. Republicans didnt catch on to that and they are still playing the old game. Its a new era in politics after Obama and the game has changed.
Yep, and he's still campaigning, playing the MSN like a violin, building a massive internet presence, even conservatives now visit the cool, new White House web site. He's on TV everyday, still working it with his "coolness'' Love him or hate him, he knows the game
484 | MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:07:05pm |
re: #466 Killian Bundy
I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.
/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status
I finally got around to googling "cap and trade" and this is what I found.
485 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:07:13pm |
re: #450 Killian Bundy
Gulf TV in Hebrew seeks to educate Israelis on Islam
/I'm pretty sure that Israel gets all they need to know about Islam flying randomly out of Gaza in a daily basis
Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11
486 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:16pm |
re: #461 bellamags
who can it be? it needs to be someone already in the public eye, someone vetted and able to withstand and rise above all the MFMSM BS.
I would have to say our best hope is Romney. But I think the leveling out of Congress needs to come first naturally.
487 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:27pm |
re: #462 Sharmuta
I am trying but the damn GOP in my area is practically making themselves inaccessible. I have to say that a lot of the old-timers were at one time Democrats (Texas like most places in the South were considered Democratic Dixiecrat strongholds).
It really speaks to the fact that at the top levels of the party there is no philosophy other than machinations to aggregate power.
It's insane especially when at this point the other party won simply by not being the GOP.
488 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:41pm |
re: #485 Alouette
Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11
Multiple updings.
However, the UN considers this point of view a hate crime.
I say frak the UN.
489 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:58pm |
re: #485 Alouette
Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11
Dont kid yourself that its a once-off. Once these dudes have nukes .. they will have no hesitation to use them to threaten people and cower them into the 'peace' corridor.
490 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:09:15pm |
re: #472 Sharmuta
Just join your local party.
We will, but we are a young group and have lived in this town for years. Most of us are small business owners and we have can have an impact networking and talking to others our age (30-40). There are many in our age group that don't care about politics or aren't aware of the danger of a socialistic society. We are thinking unconventional terms. Parties, concerts (some are well-known musicians) etc. We have to think YOUNG and I met the local Rep. party members during the election and they are a much older demographic.
491 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:09:41pm |
re: #459 Killian Bundy
[Video]/just keeping his campaign promises, it's not like this is a surprise
4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.
492 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:01pm |
re: #488 Kosh's Shadow
Multiple updings.
However, the UN considers this point of view a hate crime.
I say frak the UN.
The UN considers my continued life, and the continued lives of my children and grandchildren, a "crime against humanity."
The UN can bite Obama's butt. (I'm sure he will enjoy it)
493 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:03pm |
As I recall, in 1978 Gingrich and several other conservatives developed an agenda they called the Conservative Opportunity Society. A number oif non incumbent Republcians ran on the issues. It was an attemp to nationalize the Congressional elections. Some won; some came close and then won in the Reagan landslide in 1980.
Gingrich did the same thing in 1994: the Contract with America was a national party platform that most Republicans ran on. It worked. The Democrats were corrupt and out of ideas. We need the same thing for 2010. Limited spending, ends to earmarks, tax cuts, strong national defense- and soem big, inovative, creativ eideas. Fair tax, perhaps.
Armywife, not to put you on the spot, but as a SoCon, would you vote for someone like Giuliani for President, against Obama?
SoCon issues arent a big deal for me- but I'd vote for a SoCon who was right on the issues that do matter to me.
494 | MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:30pm |
re: #462 Sharmuta
It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.
How do you get involved locally if the GOP is insular? I tried to get involved in the campaign last fall but, they didn't want outside help! It was very frustrating!
495 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:40pm |
I found some quotes that the Obamanauts should heed, if they were into studying history:
Don’t join the book burners. Don’t think you’re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book…
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
Don’t think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed.
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure.
Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and co-operation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.
All of those quotes come from one person: Dwight D. Eisenhower.
496 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:40pm |
re: #491 avanti
4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.
Did Obama hire some more C students?
/John Kerry
497 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:52pm |
re: #486 NYCHardhat
I would have to say our best hope is Romney. But I think the leveling out of Congress needs to come first naturally.
I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.
498 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:56pm |
re: #452 avanti
Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.
Older white folks? Tell that to my 19 year old son and his friends, and the guys and gals in the military. They are the face of new conservatism, the ones who have critical thinking skills and see handily through Obama's bullshit.
Your contention that most of the voters are moderates on gay rights is near-single-handedly belied by the Prop-8 scenario in California, a predominantly liberal voting population. Besides, imo, social conservatism isn't the name of the game as much as fiscal conservatism is. Younger folks just starting out - marriage, family, new career - care a whole lot more about their pocketbook than they do about whether Johnny and Timmy are married or not.
As far as Obama being a "rock star", if you equate that with the rap punks, you have my agreement.
"Republicanism" may not be cool with the youth, but conservatism grows mighty appealing once you leave mommy's basement and have to support yourself and your family. Don't be so quick to write off the "youth" of America ....many of them come from families like mine and many lizards here. They know propaganda and bullshit when they see it ....and moreover, they are beginning to find their voices.
499 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:01pm |
re: #487 unclassifiable
Let me add that I am getting together with the disaffected conservatives. We hope to start making a few rumblings.
500 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:03pm |
I said it upthread- I'll say it again. I compelled a liberal to listen to my fiscally conservative message tonight, and she was receptive. This is where the party's focus should be. Social issues need to take a secondary role, but I think we can all agree that we need fiscal solutions to the crisis. It's a message that should get all conservatives aboard except perhaps the RINOs (? whatever those are) and it would allow non-republicans something to latch onto, to give us the electoral victories we feel our party is worth. We will ruin this opportunity with a strong social conservative pushing pseudo-science. I would go so far as to say this financial crisis is a blessing in disguise if it can make the GOP the fiscally responsible party of Goldwater again.
501 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:07pm |
re: #482 avanti
That's the same game that got Clinton impeached, Blago arrested and Edwards booted off the stage.
Somewhere there has to be substance and positive results. Obama is bereft of the first and opposed to the second.
502 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:21pm |
re: #490 bellamags
We will, but we are a young group and have lived in this town for years. Most of us are small business owners and we have can have an impact networking and talking to others our age (30-40). There are many in our age group that don't care about politics or aren't aware of the danger of a socialistic society. We are thinking unconventional terms. Parties, concerts (some are well-known musicians) etc. We have to think YOUNG and I met the local Rep. party members during the election and they are a much older demographic.
I am hoping the YOUNG people that I am in contact with will get off their asses and join the conservative nation once they have a hard time achieving the American dream that has been given away to freeloaders by the Messiah.
504 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:12:10pm |
re: #494 MandyManners
How do you get involved locally if the GOP is insular? I tried to get involved in the campaign last fall but, they didn't want outside help! It was very frustrating!
Really? Wow.
505 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:12:14pm |
re: #493 jim in virginia
I've always liked the idea of another Contract.
506 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:12:15pm |
re: #497 bellamags
I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.
I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.
507 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:04pm |
re: #500 Sharmuta
I said it upthread- I'll say it again. I compelled a liberal to listen to my fiscally conservative message tonight.
Sounds a bit like an exorcism. Careful!
/
508 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:33pm |
re: #494 MandyManners
Wow! That is really disappointing. The party here is very welcoming with local campaigns, and the Maryland RNC. Maybe because we are such the underdogs?
509 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:36pm |
re: #498 pink freud
Older white folks? Tell that to my 19 year old son and his friends, and the guys and gals in the military. They are the face of new conservatism, the ones who have critical thinking skills and see handily through Obama's bullshit.
Your contention that most of the voters are moderates on gay rights is near-single-handedly belied by the Prop-8 scenario in California, a predominantly liberal voting population. Besides, imo, social conservatism isn't the name of the game as much as fiscal conservatism is. Younger folks just starting out - marriage, family, new career - care a whole lot more about their pocketbook than they do about whether Johnny and Timmy are married or not.
As far as Obama being a "rock star", if you equate that with the rap punks, you have my agreement.
"Republicanism" may not be cool with the youth, but conservatism grows mighty appealing once you leave mommy's basement and have to support yourself and your family. Don't be so quick to write off the "youth" of America ....many of them come from families like mine and many lizards here. They know propaganda and bullshit when they see it ....and moreover, they are beginning to find their voices.
that needs to be repeated.
:D
510 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:39pm |
re: #491 avanti
4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.
The concern, however is supplying our forces. Obama is likely to cut program needed to provide them with their next generation of weapons. He's not at this point hollowing the military, but he is setting up a way in which it might become hollow. A lot of what we have will need to be replaced soon.
511 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:44pm |
re: #506 jaunte
I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.
I don't either. Its sickening.
512 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:15pm |
re: #506 jaunte
I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.
What is the source of the hard-core Baptist claim? I know a ton of Baptists that wanted to vote for Romney OVER Huckabee. Of course by Texas it was over ...
513 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:19pm |
re: #482 avanti
Yep, and he's still campaigning, playing the MSN like a violin, building a massive internet presence, even conservatives now visit the cool, new White House web site. He's on TV everyday, still working it with his "coolness'' Love him or hate him, he knows the game
....and then there's reality, Cold, hard, can't hide from it, bite-you-in-the-ass reality. Reality cuts fluff.
516 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:24pm |
re: #494 MandyManners
How do you get involved locally if the GOP is insular? I tried to get involved in the campaign last fall but, they didn't want outside help! It was very frustrating!
And that's just wrong! Call the state GOP and get the name of the chair of your precinct's party. Then call that person and find out when party meetings are held. Don't take no for an answer. They don't like it- tough shit.
517 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:46pm |
re: #496 OldLineTexan
When I was in the Army, John Kerry was our joke (among a handful of New Englanders) whenever we got a splinter or banged our heads off something.
We'd call out "Three Purple Hearts, Zero scars!" whenever we saw each other almost getting hurt by being stupid.
518 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:15:17pm |
re: #490 bellamags
Have you contacted the Young Republicans to get any advice on how to start a local chapter?
519 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:15:22pm |
re: #451 Buster Bunny
A man who has acted with a monkey, governed a Democratic State, and laughed at the actual idea of becoming president.
That would work. Unfortunately he's dead. He couldn't serve a third term anyway.
520 | _RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:15:59pm |
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
521 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:20pm |
re: #491 avanti
4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.
Half the troops requested for Afghanistan and he's still only considering canceling the F-22 because of the 20K+ jobs involved, etc . . .
/are you seriously defending Obama and crew on U.S. defense policy?
523 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:40pm |
re: #518 Sharmuta
Have you contacted the Young Republicans to get any advice on how to start a local chapter?
Don't know if we want it to be so overt.
524 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:59pm |
re: #498 pink freud
Brava! You tend to become conservative when you have something to conserve.
525 | gymmom Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:17:12pm |
re: #500 Sharmuta
I agree. I am part of a Catholic mom prayer group. They are VERY pro life to say the least. All were willing to vote for Guiliani because they understand the underlying principles. (And I talked the one undecided into voting against Obama. I wouldn't let her leave until I addressed all her issues.)
526 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:17:26pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
HOLY SH*T. NO FU*KING WAY.
527 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:17:59pm |
re: #514 buzzsawmonkey
The Democrats are building the seeds of their own destruction; promises that can't be kept, safety that can't be maintained, and money that can't be paid back.
All that we have to do is articulate that, not as grumbling, but in terms of a brighter future, and the balance will tip.
does that mean my dog could get elected?
528 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:01pm |
re: #512 OldLineTexan
What is the source of the hard-core Baptist claim? I know a ton of Baptists that wanted to vote for Romney OVER Huckabee. Of course by Texas it was over ...
I don't have a source for that, but here's an article quoting some Pew polls:
A Pew Research Center poll this week found Huckabee’s supporters divided in their view of Romney, with 41 percent holding an unfavorable view.“The guy ran as a conservative in a time of economic difficulty,” Wolfe said. “It’s really difficult to explain why he came in third in so many Southern states without making reference to his religion.”
Among some evangelicals, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is considered a fringe religion. Evangelicals have deep theological differences with the Mormon Church. Most don’t view the faith as Christian. And many still connect the religion with the polygamist lifestyle — despite a church ban on polygamy in 1890.
A nationwide Pew poll in August found that when asked to describe Mormonism in a word, respondents with negative opinions of the religion most often used the words “polygamy” and “cult.” The survey also found that although 53 percent of the public expresses a favorable opinion of Mormons, three in 10 Americans say they do not believe Mormons are Christians, and another 17 percent say they are unsure.
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]
529 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:13pm |
re: #452 avanti
Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.
They say Generals always fight the last war. That is why they get their butts kicked in the next one.
Rock stars are like meteors by the way, sudden brilliance that quickly fades.
530 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:18pm |
re: #481 ciaospirit
This breaks my heart. I can't imagine how frightening it would be to have the full force and power of the U.S. Government against you. I hope the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund can help her (and others). I guess the only people who get out after serving about half their sentence are terrorists like Khalid Al-Jawary..
There may be more to this story than meets the eye. Although I would trust the police any day of the week over the DOJ.
531 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:22pm |
re: #510 Dark_Falcon
The concern, however is supplying our forces. Obama is likely to cut program needed to provide them with their next generation of weapons. He's not at this point hollowing the military, but he is setting up a way in which it might become hollow. A lot of what we have will need to be replaced soon.
/um, you updang the original comment
532 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:29pm |
re: #526 bellamags
HOLY SH*T. NO FU*KING WAY.
I read the article today, it's linked through RealClearPolitics.
533 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:39pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
FUCK NEWSWEEK.
535 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:19:02pm |
suicidal boaters....often went out 50 miles to a wreck to fish
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
536 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:19:13pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
Well, that ruined my evening.
537 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:19:19pm |
re: #526 bellamags
Does it have a link to the article? Does it call for accepting radical Islam in the text?
538 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:20:17pm |
re: #487 unclassifiable
You do the same as Mandy- call and get contact info from the state party, it should be on record. If need be, write a letter of complaint to the State Chair. The party should not be keeping interested republicans from getting involved in the process. I would be more curious as to know WHY they're trying to keep people out. Screw that crap- barge in there.
539 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:10pm |
re: #528 jaunte
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]
I guess I hang out with a different crowd of Baptists. Lots of business owners and working stiffs. No, they're not particlarly receptive of LDS theology. Luckily, they know that has NOTHING to do with being POTUS.
542 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:25pm |
re: #500 Sharmuta
RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.
543 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:38pm |
re: #534 Iron Fist
Um, dude, did you happen to look at the Democratic position on gay marriage? If you did, then you know exactly how full of shit you are. The Democrat position on gay marriage is almost indistinguishable from the Republican but to the degree that they do differ, it is the Republicans who stand to gain. If the black population of California had voted for McCain when they were pulling the lever for Prop. 8, we might just have a President McCain right now.
Yes, but they didn't, and they won't, so the 'gain' isn't coming through there.
545 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:54pm |
re: #537 ArmyWife
Does it have a link to the article? Does it call for accepting radical Islam in the text?
I'll accept it. Have it step over here next to this brick wall. Cigarette?
547 | _RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:16pm |
re: #526 bellamags
HOLY SH*T. NO FU*KING WAY.
the media really sucks .... and this is nauseating in the extreme
548 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:30pm |
re: #452 avanti
Your rock star has a lower approval rating than Jimmy Carter did after the same amount of time in Office.
He's no rock star, he's Milli Vanilli.
549 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:45pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
Time to start searching Newsweek trucks for bombs.
I have one question for Newsreek:
How am I supposed to live with people who want to kill me?
550 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:09pm |
re: #525 gymmom
I agree. I am part of a Catholic mom prayer group. They are VERY pro life to say the least. All were willing to vote for Guiliani because they understand the underlying principles. (And I talked the one undecided into voting against Obama. I wouldn't let her leave until I addressed all her issues.)
I was for Rudy as well, but there is no way an Italian was getting in the WH.
551 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:22pm |
re: #503 buzzsawmonkey
But he was a Republican--and a soldier, too! Why would they pay attention?
They won't. That's why the issues he mentioned are going to bite them on their collective asses (pun intended) very soon now.
552 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:27pm |
re: #542 Steffan
RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.
Gimme specifics. What do you want from Arnold? Why is he not a real Republican? (I only pick him because he's local.)
554 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:04pm |
re: #497 bellamags
I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.
Don't buy it. That is an MSM construct. Especially debunked now post election.
555 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:05pm |
re: #500 Sharmuta
I said it upthread- I'll say it again. I compelled a liberal to listen to my fiscally conservative message tonight, and she was receptive. This is where the party's focus should be. Social issues need to take a secondary role, but I think we can all agree that we need fiscal solutions to the crisis. It's a message that should get all conservatives aboard except perhaps the RINOs (? whatever those are) and it would allow non-republicans something to latch onto, to give us the electoral victories we feel our party is worth. We will ruin this opportunity with a strong social conservative pushing pseudo-science. I would go so far as to say this financial crisis is a blessing in disguise if it can make the GOP the fiscally responsible party of Goldwater again.
I agree with you.
If I have freedom and liberty, I can live as socially conservative (or liberal) as I want to.
But the freedom and liberty to do that will be available only if the R's win based on fiscal responsibility.
The Obama administration has taken its first steps toward limiting "choice" to the liberal preferred choice of abortion.
This action is not separate from Obama's fiscal policies - it is part and parcel of this administration's desire to change the face of this country, through socialist fiscal policies which place us, as well as our freedoms, under ever-growing control of the government.
556 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:16pm |
re: #550 NYCHardhat
Italian? People have Italian prejudices? Do I live under a rock?
557 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:27pm |
re: #542 Steffan
RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.
I know what it stands for- I'm looking for someone to clearly define the principles of a RINO, so that I know exactly who we're talking about. What makes those three republicans RINOs, in your opinion?
558 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:28pm |
re: #547 _RememberTonyC
the media really sucks .... and this is nauseating in the extreme
ahahaha!....sorry...
I leave it to the watchdogs to monitor this stuff...
I hate the MSM with every ounce of flesh on my bones...
they are criminal and hide behind the 1st
559 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:37pm |
re: #556 ArmyWife
Italian? People have Italian prejudices? Do I live under a rock?
They do against me.
560 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:37pm |
re: #542 Steffan
RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.
How many Republican tests do you have to fail before you become a RINO? One BIG one? Several small ones? Which ones are the most important ones? I might be a RINO and not even know it.
561 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:48pm |
re: #553 buzzsawmonkey
Tell me that that is a fake cover.
Seriously.
562 | saberry0530 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:03pm |
563 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:33pm |
re: #550 NYCHardhat
I was for Rudy as well, but there is no way an Italian was getting in the WH.
Not this time or next, that's for sure.
564 | _RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:36pm |
re: #553 buzzsawmonkey
Look on the bright side; they at last recognize that it exists.
maybe, but they're telling us we have to live with it ... and that is a problem
565 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:39pm |
re: #538 Sharmuta
Simple.
Accept "returning America to its Christian roots" (RATICR) and you're in.
Tell them they are full of it and you're out.
I have good friends who voted for Obama because this RATICR stuff.
It's the type of distraction that is killing the conservative movement.
And I have to say we WELCOMED all of those votes when Reagan got elected but like anything else, too much of anything can be toxic.
And here is a question for all of you. Can you find a way in your hearts and minds to welcome Muslims into the GOP?
Think about it.
566 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:55pm |
re: #555 reine.de.tout
Apropos of nothing, I received my cookbook today.
It needed more funny posts from me, but otherwise it's very nice. ;)
jaunte, once again, WOW.
Thanks to all who worked on it.
And Lulu was impressive, right down to the packaging.
567 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:23pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
I think I'm going to ask my doctor about some tranquilizers for the rest of the week. Because that cover is going to piss me off every time I see it. America cannot co-exist with totalitarianism. Either it will destroy us or we will destroy it. To quote Lady Thatcher: "There is no alternative."
568 | gymmom Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:29pm |
re: #550 NYCHardhat
I was for Rudy as well, but there is no way an Italian was getting in the WH.
I don't watch to much TV, but if gymdad has on the news and I hear that familiar rapid fire speech and wit, I'm there!
But I'm thinking those skeletons in the closet would be way more interesting than anything else we heard during the election.
;)
570 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:48pm |
re: #497 bellamags
I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.
There isn't something that the MSM won't hammer any republican candidate about. What's the solution? Pick someone with nothing 'substantial' to hammer? They'll just invent something or make them look bad ('Sara is a dumb hick'). Or is the key to pick a candidate that has something(s) so overwhelmingly appealing to the majority of voters? The latter worked for the dems this time even though it's all hopey changey smoke and mirrors. My faith that the majority of voters will look beyond marketing and packaging has been greatly diminished by this last go-round, but I haven't given up hope nor will I sit idly by.
Hope: Yea, I said it. Obama - that's not your word even though you tried to take it. No you can't!
571 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:27:02pm |
re: #559 NYCHardhat
I don't even know what to say. Once again, my pollyannaness rises to the top. I can't comprehend this, therefore it can't exist.
572 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:27:04pm |
re: #567 Dark_Falcon
I think I'm going to ask my doctor about some tranquilizers for the rest of the week. Because that cover is going to piss me off every time I see it. America cannot co-exist with totalitarianism. Either it will destroy us or we will destroy it. To quote Lady Thatcher: "There is no alternative."
blow it off....don't let it cred you
573 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:27:10pm |
re: #560 Bloodnok
How many Republican tests do you have to fail before you become a RINO? One BIG one? Several small ones? Which ones are the most important ones? I might be a RINO and not even know it.
See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?
574 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:00pm |
re: #569 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, I just copied the link from upthread.
Can I get Obama to autograph my copy?
575 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:14pm |
re: #566 OldLineTexan
Apropos of nothing, I received my cookbook today.
It needed more funny posts from me, but otherwise it's very nice. ;)
jaunte, once again, WOW.
Thanks to all who worked on it.
And Lulu was impressive, right down to the packaging.
glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.
576 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:31pm |
re: #483 Iron Fist
My bet is that the Republicans will go balls-to-the-wall to show how "bi-partisan" they are
Boehner and McConnell have been stand up guys so far. As for Zach Wamps statement that the budget can't be cut - given enough reasons, it can. Sadly, it may take a real war to do it.
The special election in upstate NY to replace Gillibrand (sp?) will be interesting. The Republican has a chance to win.
577 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:37pm |
re: #571 ArmyWife
I don't even know what to say. Once again, my pollyannaness rises to the top. I can't comprehend this, therefore it can't exist.
Maybe its just me, but most people have that mob thing in their mind.
578 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:40pm |
Rich Lowry compares Obama's performance to Roosevelt:
Obama's debut is quite different from FDR's. FDR took office in the midst of a total meltdown of the banking system and acted boldly to arrest it. In March 1933, the Dow was at 52. It climbed 75 percent in the first 100 days. By December 1, 1933 it was 99. Obama is temporizing with his financial crisis in favor of moving quickly on his big spending plans, and watching the Dow trip steadily downward by the day. It's as if FDR skipped the bank holiday and focused first on passing the CCC. [Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
It's like he's trying to help us all fail.
581 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:23pm |
re: #506 jaunte
I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.
Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.
582 | lawhawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:32pm |
re: #514 buzzsawmonkey
The Democrats are building the seeds of their own destruction; promises that can't be kept, safety that can't be maintained, and money that can't be paid back.
All that we have to do is articulate that, not as grumbling, but in terms of a brighter future, and the balance will tip.
In a turn of phrase - showing that there's more to hope and change than just a not so cheap slogan (trillions of dollars later and we're seeing just how expensive that hope and change turned out to be).
I happen to agree. You need a positive outlook because most Americans are indeed optimistic about the future. Folks gravitate to those who are optimistic and who can articulate how to make things better.
That can include a fiscally conservative agenda - showing how smaller government can make things better because the government isn't the cure-all. Government has its place - national defense, national security and foreign policy and key infrastructure and making it easier for the private sector to innovate.
Right now, the Democrats answers to everything is essentially throw more money at everything, and if that doesn't work, the failure was simply that not enough money was utilized. It's a winning formula in solid blue state territory and many urban areas, and it's kept the New Deal, Great Society and War on Poverty flowing in money for decades.
583 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:58pm |
re: #456 _RememberTonyC
Shit! It's only been six weeks? :deep inhale: :long exhale:
I need to talk to some of the Elder Lizards about getting my hands on some of their herbal supplements. Beer just ain't cutting it as a "calmative" no more.
584 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:10pm |
re: #575 reine.de.tout
glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.
I'm on the Volume 2 Brute Squad.
I will be yelling at you guys to chip in and help Reine.
585 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:12pm |
re: #581 Steffan
Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.
I like their 'be prepared' ethos.
586 | livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:26pm |
re: #549 Kosh's Shadow
Time to start searching Newsweek trucks for bombs.
I have one question for Newsreek:
How am I supposed to live with people who want to kill me?
Since when did suicide bombings and killing people with different beliefs become mainstream?
587 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:32pm |
re: #575 reine.de.tout
glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.
I'll send you my "heart" list, but not my comments. I already got chastised for being a ding whore. ;)
And I do owe you recipes. Sorry, real life got very distracting right at those crucial moments.
588 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:47pm |
re: #565 unclassifiable
Wait. Firstly, we have Judeo-Christian roots. We do. Secondly, we shouldn't be espousing religion as a Government sponsored entity, but we shouldn't be alienating those who are religious. One religion doesn't get preferential treatment over another. Thirdly, Reagan was a social conservative. He was. If these people voted for Reagan, they voted for his principles, and they should be willing to do so again.
I'd accept Islam, if they accepted me. Fat chance of that happening, though.
589 | SFGoth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:48pm |
re: #562 saberry0530
I remember Newsweek being relevant about what 1978?
Nahh, they blew it with Global Cooling ;->
590 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:50pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
I like it. It's a damn shame they don't put News-weak in the check out aisle stands. It would make for some fascinating conversation while I was around.
591 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:31:02pm |
re: #573 Sharmuta
See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?
it can mean different things to different people...find your own version of conservatism and stand on your principle.....and keep it simple
592 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:31:33pm |
re: #560 Bloodnok
In my experience, they (Snowe, Collins, etc.) talk a good game at the gun clubs and the tax-cutting town hall meetings, but when they get to D.C., they chuck it all in the name of "bi-partisanship" and use the quid pro quo pork to help ensure re-election. No Union or PAC is going to spend millions to defeat a Snowe or a Collins when they can target a real conservative. The RINO's know this and play both sides against the middle.
593 | Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:31:51pm |
Rich Lowry compares Obama's performance to Roosevelt:It's like he's trying to help us all fail.
You gotta read Alinsky. The previoius system has to fail and the crowds must be disenchanted to be able to stick your new society model on the top of it.
594 | saberry0530 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:08pm |
595 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:12pm |
re: #587 OldLineTexan
I'll send you my "heart" list, but not my comments. I already got chastised for being a ding whore. ;)
And I do owe you recipes. Sorry, real life got very distracting right at those crucial moments.
We're all ding whores!
Anybody want to send something on now go ahead and do it.
If I get 100 recipes, I'll start.
Otherwise, I'll make an "official" start announcement for vol 2 in a couple of months.
But no need to wait to send things on if it's convenient.
click the nic and you will find my e-mail addresses.
596 | FloridaAnole Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:35pm |
Well, this thread proves that the old saying is true: put 3 conservatives in a room to discuss an issue, and there'll be 5 different opinions. Put 300 conservatives in a "room " and pandemonium ensues. Frankly, I don't expect any other conservative to agree with me on every issue. That is why I worked on the McCain campaign even though McCain's behavior in the Senate frequently enraged me. If Jindal is good on most issues, I am willing to overlook his belief in exorcism. In fact, come to think of it, I wish he would lead an exorcism of my computer, which seems to be possessed by the zedo/monster/ANG demons.
597 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:46pm |
re: #545 OldLineTexan
I'll accept it. Have it step over here next to this brick wall. Cigarette?
Where's the nuance?
599 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:15pm |
Radical Islam is a fact of life. So is syphillis. Doesn't mean you have to live with either one.
600 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:27pm |
re: #581 Steffan
Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.
I have never run into a larger collection of fiscally and socially conservative folks. With streaks of pioneer survivalism and community spirit, no less. And active Mormons seem to me to be extremely disciplined people.
601 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:39pm |
re: #578 jaunte
Rich Lowry compares Obama's performance to Roosevelt:
It's like he's trying to help us all fail.
But even if he wasn't, he couldn't measure up to FDR. He's a grown-up child who has no leadership experience and a record of voting present. FDR was a man who had run organizations, overcome polio, and was possessed with courage and decisiveness. Obama is a nothing compared to him (and I'm not an FDR fan).
603 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:43pm |
re: #555 reine.de.tout
I agree with you.
If I have freedom and liberty, I can live as socially conservative (or liberal) as I want to.
But the freedom and liberty to do that will be available only if the R's win based on fiscal responsibility.
The Obama administration has taken its first steps toward limiting "choice" to the liberal preferred choice of abortion.
This action is not separate from Obama's fiscal policies - it is part and parcel of this administration's desire to change the face of this country, through socialist fiscal policies which place us, as well as our freedoms, under ever-growing control of the government.
I do not agree that abortion is 'the liberal preferred choice'.
I have seriously mixed feelings about permitting individuals to deny legal health care based on matters of conscience, which finally comes down to the fact that I believe an independent practitioner or agency should be free not to provide specific services as a matter of policy--but what about Kaiser? Does the pharmacist there get to not give me my prescription?
And finally, since I'm having a nice quiet evening so far: How is a Somali cabbie's choice to reject a man with a dog or beer or his breath from getting into his cab different from a pharmacist refusing to fill a prescription for RU486?
604 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:52pm |
605 | pat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:53pm |
RINOs are almost always defined in 3 contexts: Fiscal, Defense, Law Enforcement
606 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:04pm |
re: #586 livefreeor die
It is your bigotry that refuses to accept it.
607 | SFGoth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:12pm |
re: #596 FloridaAnole
If Jindal is good on most issues, I am willing to overlook his belief in exorcism.
Enjoy the campaign parties, they'll be pretty lonely. Exorcism. That's exactly what the GOP needs to put the nail in the coffin of relevance.
608 | gymmom Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:33pm |
re: #595 reine.de.tout
Thanks, I received my cookbook a week or two ago. It looks great. We give up going out to restaurants for Lent, so it's a good time to try new recipes. (But hard work for me) I love food and cooking and will forward some recipes soon.
609 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:40pm |
re: #571 ArmyWife
I don't even know what to say. Once again, my pollyannaness rises to the top. I can't comprehend this, therefore it can't exist.
That just means you're a nice person. Don't worry about it. ;)
610 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:45pm |
re: #599 pingjockey
Radical Islam is a fact of life. So is syphillis. Doesn't mean you have to live with either one.
In fact, sooner or later both will kill you.
611 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:47pm |
re: #537 ArmyWife
Does it have a link to the article? Does it call for accepting radical Islam in the text?
Here is the article, in all its jaw-dropping stupidity.
(Submit to your Islamist overlords, you dhimmis)
612 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:53pm |
re: #557 Sharmuta
I know what it stands for- I'm looking for someone to clearly define the principles of a RINO, so that I know exactly who we're talking about. What makes those three republicans RINOs, in your opinion?
They rolled over and kissed Pelosi's and Reid's rear ends on the stimulus.
613 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:05pm |
re: #597 jim in virginia
Where's the nuance?
Quit showin' off yer language lessons. Bathroom's down the hall on the left.
/sheesh
/
614 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:14pm |
re: #573 Sharmuta
I am fighting the urge to say it's like porn, you know it when you see it! But I won't.
Seriously, I think to define RINO we need to define what it means to be Republican. We throw Reagan's name around as an ideal - so let's get down to brass tacks and define what Reagan stood for. We would then be able to contrast these values against what the Democrats stand for. To me, a RINO would be the politicians who identify with the Democrat list more than the Republican list, yet still carry the R behind their name.
615 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:48pm |
re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist
I do not agree that abortion is 'the liberal preferred choice'.
I have seriously mixed feelings about permitting individuals to deny legal health care based on matters of conscience, which finally comes down to the fact that I believe an independent practitioner or agency should be free not to provide specific services as a matter of policy--but what about Kaiser? Does the pharmacist there get to not give me my prescription?
And finally, since I'm having a nice quiet evening so far: How is a Somali cabbie's choice to reject a man with a dog or beer or his breath from getting into his cab different from a pharmacist refusing to fill a prescription for RU486?
In my mind, there is a vast difference between a pharmacist who believes RU486 aborts and results in the murder of a human life, and a cabbie who refuses to give a ride to a blind man with a dog.
Just think about it.
616 | caligal Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:53pm |
Thanks for this. I missed 60 on Sunday. Boy, Safer looks really old and tired.
617 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:56pm |
re: #606 formercorpsman
I am bigoted against all terrorists and zealots.
618 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:00pm |
re: #591 albusteve
it can mean different things to different people...find your own version of conservatism and stand on your principle.....and keep it simple
I believe it is a Repub who isn't fiscally responsible because defending the citizens of America should be the job of the POTUS, democrat or republican.
619 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:22pm |
Serious question, looking for answers: What is the most effective strategy or strategies of defense (or counter-attack) - against Alinsky's Rules?
620 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:56pm |
621 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:59pm |
re: #581 Steffan
Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.
That is the part I truly don't get. It's an inherently conservative group, in so many ways. I really was surprised when Huckabee went on attack about Romney's Mormonity. (Is that a word?)
622 | mich-again Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:02pm |
re: #593 Buster Bunny
You gotta read Alinsky. The previoius system has to fail and the crowds must be disenchanted to be able to stick your new society model on the top of it.
Not entirely. Can't have too many on the dole. Someone's gotta work to pay the bills.
623 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:04pm |
re: #557 Sharmuta
I know what it stands for- I'm looking for someone to clearly define the principles of a RINO, so that I know exactly who we're talking about. What makes those three republicans RINOs, in your opinion?
Who were the only Republicans to vote for the Porkzilla bill? What is Schwarzenegger not doing to fix the CA budget crisis?
They vote with the Democrats more often than not, and they ignore or oppose party policy. I've heard that the party is finally going to make them pay through the nose for that. Took 'em long enough.
624 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:23pm |
re: #17 soxfan4life
Trying to nominate another John McCain to get Obama reelected in 2012. Let's hope Mitt Romney keeps his eye on the prize for all of our sakes.
"I don't think the president's plan is as focused and targeted as it needed to be."
625 | livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:33pm |
626 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:34pm |
627 | SFGoth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:40pm |
re: #601 Dark_Falcon
But even if he wasn't, he couldn't measure up to FDR. He's a grown-up child who has no leadership experience and a record of voting present. FDR was a man who had run organizations, overcome polio, and was possessed with courage and decisiveness. Obama is a nothing compared to him (and I'm not an FDR fan).
FDR had been ass't Sec. of the Navy and wanted to get us in WWII (no, I don't buy the P.H. conspiracy).
628 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:41pm |
re: #573 Sharmuta
See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?
In my opinion it is pretty simple, that would be someone who repeatedly crosses the aisle to vote with and/or take steps to scuttle conservative initiatives or advance liberal ones. They really are pretty easy to identify.
629 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:47pm |
re: #601 Dark_Falcon
From your link:
The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements.
I think this suggest that the CP strategy is only a short term tactic until the reaction sets in from the wider society.
630 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:58pm |
631 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:15pm |
re: #586 livefreeor die
Since when did suicide bombings and killing people with different beliefs become mainstream?
Seriously, read the article. It raises some questions we will have to answer, even if you don't agree with Zakaria's take on them.
633 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:27pm |
Somehow I missed the cookbnook. (Too much work, I guess, I just wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry.) How do I get one? Can I get a recipe in the second edition?
634 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:37pm |
re: #620 formercorpsman
I must be doing something right then But, I'm remiss in my bigotry, I haven't had a fatwa issued against me!
635 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:38pm |
re: #604 avanti
Does it bother you that the very link you provided proves you wrong, me right, and Obama less popular than Carter?
03/15/1977 03/15/1977 74
03/01/1977 03/01/1977 70
Those are Carter's numbers. Most polling sources currently put Obama at 64-65% approval.
636 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:53pm |
re: #588 ArmyWife
But what is around you NOW.
Social conservatives?
And the Muslims you know, any of them Islamist?
Or are they most likely just trying to get by running their business.
Think about this. With 1.5 billion Muslims in the world if even 1% were hardcore Islamist we would have total world war. To me it is quite clear that we have got to get away from the idea of anyone having to accept anyone as much as being allowed to pursue their dreams of a better life for themselves and their children. You American? It's a pretty good chance your family came from somewhere else and also was not accepted. What got you accepted was not being from somewhere else but being American. We turn our backs to each other at each others peril.
638 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:09pm |
re: #617 pingjockey
Realize, IMHO this does not even require a tag.
To me, stepping back & looking at what is going around in the world right now, you could not have convinced me, right after 911, in less than 10 years, something like that would be on the cover of an American magazine.
639 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:37pm |
re: #619 Gort
Serious question, looking for answers: What is the most effective strategy or strategies of defense (or counter-attack) - against Alinsky's Rules?
And Cloward-Piven.
640 | stevieray Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:46pm |
Newsweek 1860:
"Slavery is a fact of life: How to live with it"
Newsweek 1939:
"Fascism is a fact of life: How to live with it"
No... sorry, Newsweek. I ain't living with it, nor with any anti-humanist who accepts or excuses it.
641 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:46pm |
re: #633 jim in virginia
Somehow I missed the cookbnook. (Too much work, I guess, I just wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry.) How do I get one? Can I get a recipe in the second edition?
Yes.
Yes.
/
642 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:47pm |
643 | SFGoth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:51pm |
re: #615 reine.de.tout
In my mind, there is a vast difference between a pharmacist who believes RU486 aborts and results in the murder of a human life, and a cabbie who refuses to give a ride to a blind man with a dog.
Just think about it.
The cabbie is a common carrier; the pharmacist is not. Common carriers are pretty highly regulated. It's much easier to find a pharmacy than a cab.
644 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:07pm |
re: #612 jim in virginia
They rolled over and kissed Pelosi's and Reid's rear ends on the stimulus.
Exactly where on the rear end is the stimulus located?
Never mind, I think I know.
645 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:08pm |
re: #464 unclassifiable
IMHO
OK
IMRHO
The GOP has allowed themselves to get distracted on some petty and destructive tangents. Part of this is self inflicted. Part of this is allowing the left to define us.
First and foremost we have to understand that everything we stand for is based on the frailty fo the human character. Liberals would have you believe that humans can be perfected. That given enough training, indoctrination, guidance, education, self-reflection, etc. that it is possible to build perfect human being and, ergo, a perfect society. The first and foremost thing we as conservatives need to point out is how much fallacy there is in this belief.
Now the left is going to say that we have constructed a straw man but how else does one explain their continual insistence on the concentration of power and collectivism. Inevitably there has to be a belief that the people to which power is concentrated, by there education, upbringing, titles, or whatever are infallible.
The next fall back position of the left will be to say, well they are not infallible -- mistakes will be made...
Well if that is the case then why do we want those mistakes to impact everyone. If the government owns banking through nationalization, one mistake in a governing board sinks all banking. Same with health care. Same with the auto industry.
What we need to get back to is the idea that humans are fallible, and , therefore, it is best, in as many ways as possible to allow a plurality of approaches. This is best afforded by, free market capitalism, a pluralistic democratic republic, and the assurance of inalienable rights as delineated in the Constitution -- especially the Bill of Rights.
Our aim should not be to return to a past status simply because it agrees with the conditions at the founding or some past period of timed deemed desirable. Our aim should be to use our collective liberty to deal with the here and now and the future.
Just thought this should be repeated.
647 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:40pm |
re: #638 formercorpsman
Realize, IMHO this does not even require a tag.
To me, stepping back & looking at what is going around in the world right now, you could not have convinced me, right after 911, in less than 10 years, something like that would be on the cover of an American magazine.
In less than ten years since 911:
A POTUS named Barack Hussein Obama
Nuff said
648 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:00pm |
re: #573 Sharmuta
See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?
My interpretation of a RINO is one who pretends to be conservative only to be elected, but once in office votes for leftist ideas. A solid conservative doesn't have to be a hunter or a veteran or go to church every Sunday. But they sure as hell better understand that spending my tax dollars is a sacred duty that should be done responsibly. That the primary role of the national government is the protection of it's citizens' life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (don't confuse happiness with the pursuit).
649 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:12pm |
re: #623 Steffan
Who were the only Republicans to vote for the Porkzilla bill? What is Schwarzenegger not doing to fix the CA budget crisis?
They vote with the Democrats more often than not, and they ignore or oppose party policy. I've heard that the party is finally going to make them pay through the nose for that. Took 'em long enough.
So it's a fiscal RINO thing?
650 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:21pm |
652 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:34pm |
re: #580 Iron Fist
I'm kinda partial to Operation: Great Crusade.
653 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:01pm |
re: #633 jim in virginia
Somehow I missed the cookbnook. (Too much work, I guess, I just wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry.) How do I get one? Can I get a recipe in the second edition?
Click Reine's nic.
654 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:19pm |
655 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:21pm |
re: #638 formercorpsman
I know. Absolutely mad for that crap to be on the cover of a magazine. 1939, here's naziism, get used to it. NOT!
656 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:25pm |
re: #648 CommonCents
My interpretation of a RINO is one who pretends to be conservative only to be elected, but once in office votes for leftist ideas. A solid conservative doesn't have to be a hunter or a veteran or go to church every Sunday. But they sure as hell better understand that spending my tax dollars is a sacred duty that should be done responsibly. That the primary role of the national government is the protection of it's citizens' life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (don't confuse happiness with the pursuit).
So- you're leaning Fiscal too?
658 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:43:27pm |
re: #638 formercorpsman
Realize, IMHO this does not even require a tag.
To me, stepping back & looking at what is going around in the world right now, you could not have convinced me, right after 911, in less than 10 years, something like that would be on the cover of an American magazine.
surprise!....people are stupid and weak...I'm old so it's no surprise to me...
so...given the facts on the ground right now, consider the possibilities for the next ten years...then dis me for my hysterics now....hahaha...the feds are my dire enemy....they will kill me if they can and the MSM will turn their rosey cheeks and let it happen....btw..got kids?
659 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:43:27pm |
re: #598 ploome hineni
here is a question for you
how much sharia can you accept
are you aware that there is no seperation of 'church and state' in islam?
and why don't you describe to me
an islamic state...you have 57 to choose from
I can accept sharia (as something my neighbors subscribe to), so long as it remains within the bounds of U.S., state and local law, and, as halacha is for me, is something adhered to within a religious community.
There is separation of church and state in the United States. Muslims who wish to become part of the American fabric have been willing to embrace this. Those who cannot will be better off elsewhere, or at least should be elsewhere.
I do not want to describe an Islamic state. I'm having dinner. For this reason, many Muslims have an interest in moving somewhere else, where they can be Muslim and live in freedom and prosperity.
Done now.
660 | FloridaAnole Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:43:49pm |
re: #452 avanti
Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.
Um, I think you're gonna be late for the meeting in the situation room with Rahm an the gang if you keep posting. And tell them "hi" from this older white folk.
661 | saberry0530 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:44:18pm |
Just watched that Diet Dew/ Pres. Lincoln Commercial EXCELLANT
662 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:44:35pm |
663 | SFGoth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:16pm |
re: #659 SanFranciscoZionist
I can accept sharia (as something my neighbors subscribe to), so long as it remains within the bounds of U.S., state and local law, and, as halacha is for me, is something adhered to within a religious community.
Except you don't understand that over time, the law incorporates social mores so that sharia would eventually infect our secular system.
664 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:32pm |
re: #640 stevieray
Newsweek 1860:
"Slavery is a fact of life: How to live with it"
Newsweek 1939:
"Fascism is a fact of life: How to live with it"
No... sorry, Newsweek. I ain't living with it, nor with any anti-humanist who accepts or excuses it.
Excellent post!
665 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:36pm |
re: #662 NYCHardhat
I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.
666 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:48pm |
re: #662 NYCHardhat
Above all....don't mess with people's money.
good quote...press that further...it is YOUR money...it does NOT belong to the feds
668 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:32pm |
re: #660 FloridaAnole
Um, I think you're gonna be late for the meeting in the situation room with Rahm an the gang if you keep posting. And tell them "hi" from this older white folk.
There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.
669 | Steffan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:58pm |
re: #635 Lincolntf
Does it bother you that the very link you provided proves you wrong, me right, and Obama less popular than Carter?
03/15/1977 03/15/1977 74
03/01/1977 03/01/1977 70Those are Carter's numbers. Most polling sources currently put Obama at 64-65% approval.
I read someplace that The One is less popular than GWB was at this point in his first term.
670 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:58pm |
re: #598 ploome hineni
BTW ploome I'm not leaving. Maybe you can leave and find that perfect Judeo-Christian democratic republicc that still has a liberal (in classical sense) constitution and does not have to put up with any other infectious beliefs or any messy issues with assimilation and alienation.
Me, I think I am in the country that still presents the best hope for the world -- despite the current chief executive's bastardization of the term.
671 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:04pm |
re: #665 Sharmuta
IIRC, no! I was 5 when he ran for prez. I do remember him as a senator though.
672 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:04pm |
re: #661 saberry0530
I had the reflexive "how dare they mock Abe?" response when I first saw it. Then I watched it a few times and it's not half bad.
Mr. Lincoln, we could sure use you today...
673 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:16pm |
674 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:22pm |
re: #615 reine.de.tout
In my mind, there is a vast difference between a pharmacist who believes RU486 aborts and results in the murder of a human life, and a cabbie who refuses to give a ride to a blind man with a dog.
Just think about it.
I thought that this was about the conscience of the individual. Are we allowed to override the conscience of the individual for some things but not others?
675 | Bobblehead Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:25pm |
If you watched the interview til the end you heard that Mrs. Jindal is less than enthusiastic about her husband running for president. Her response to the question of what she thought about the prospect was something like "Heavens, no!".
676 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:45pm |
677 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:55pm |
re: #607 SFGoth
Enjoy the campaign parties, they'll be pretty lonely. Exorcism. That's exactly what the GOP needs to put the nail in the coffin of relevance.
I went off front and center today with a group of die-hard liberals about Jindal, DI, and his creationism-taught-in-schools bill. I made it absolutely clear that I (the token conservative) did in no way shape or from support him as a candidate for 2012 because he did not represent conservative values. Their response: "but, teaching religion in schools isa conservative value!"
See what we're up against?
(Amazingly, I got their attention. The conversation turned to fiscal conservatism and to my surprise, they're not far from me on that issue. Even more amazing, I definitely got the sense that their rock star is losing a lot of his appeal. A lot of ummm's and lowered glances when I asked for reaction of this spending debacle and the impact it will have directly on their lives. Not one voice in support of it. FWIW.)
/oh, and this was on a university campus ....there's hope (!) yet ...
678 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:07pm |
re: #573 Sharmuta
See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?
It's a pejorative, slung about by folks with the intention of insulting those who don't adhere 100% to their personal brand of True ConservativeTM Kool-Aide.
It is an entirely subjective term, and as such, the definition of a RINO lies strictly in the narrowly focused eye of the accuser beholder.
/I'm gonna stick to using the pejorative "poopy-head". At least that one gets the occasional laugh.
680 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:15pm |
re: #665 Sharmuta
I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.
Probably would depend on what stage of Goldwater's life is considered. Of course people would probably reject the notion of that question.
681 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:16pm |
re: #629 jaunte
I think this suggest that the CP strategy is only a short term tactic until the reaction sets in from the wider society.
Any strategy predicated on surprise and shock is only likely to work in the short to mid term. If the faction using it cannot win relatively quickly, they'll be at a loss once their enemies recover their footing. World War Two was a fine example of that, particularly in the Pacific.
682 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:21pm |
re: #655 pingjockey
It truly is. I'll admit, I did not read all of it, by now though, I don't need to.
I know what the template is. It is not like anyone in the media has attempted to earn this average joe's trust again.
Quite frankly, I don't give a shit what someone's religion is, as long as they can abide by the rules here. They need to understand, the Constitution comes first. For so many, this places an immediate conundrum as it relates to sharia.
In my opinion, the only way islam stands a chance in the western world, is a reformation.
Right now, I am not confident anything like that is on the horizon.
683 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:45pm |
re: #639 Gort
And Cloward-Piven.
I've got some reading to do
discoverthenetworks.org
A Guide to the Political Left
Time to educate myself.
/No thanks, I don't want that education reprogramming tax credit.
684 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:18pm |
re: #669 Steffan
Still waiting for Avanti to redefine mathematics for me.
When is 70 less than 65?
When a Liberal says so, silly!
685 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:19pm |
re: #680 Gus 802
Probably would depend on what stage of Goldwater's life is considered. Of course people would probably reject the notion of that question.
The worst Rino I can think of: McCain.
687 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:36pm |
re: #658 albusteve
You don't have to tell me. I have 3 kids.
This stuff makes for some sleepless nights.
688 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:44pm |
re: #668 avanti
Diversity is great, how about smarts, common sense, whatever you want to call it. The great majority on the left want the gubmint to take care of their happy asses from cradle to grave, punish those who work hard with confiscatory taxes. Total disconnect from reality in foreign policy, it goes own and own.
689 | jim in virginia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:53pm |
re: #641 OldLineTexan
Yes.
Yes.
/
OK. I don't read as fast as you do. Too much beer at Lovett. We're not intellectuals like the bozos at Hanszen.
By the way, did you ever know EC Holt's daughter?
690 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:55pm |
re: #634 pingjockey
I must be doing something right then But, I'm remiss in my bigotry, I haven't had a fatwa issued against me!
You know, that would be a great little Internet business, issuing fatwas against folks who wanted one as a conversation piece. What do you need to issue a fatwa? Can any imam do it?
691 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:09pm |
re: #656 Sharmuta
So- you're leaning Fiscal too?
I would have to lean defense first, then fiscal. I probably wouldn't be quite as bent if the porkulus bill was spending a majority of that money on doubling the CIA, increasing troop levels, and development of advanced weapons, detection systems, and anti-laser defense systems directly aimed at China. A massive restocking of Tomahawk missiles with a focus on Iran, N. Korea, Sudan, Somalia, the FATA, Venezuela, etc. etc. (you know the usual suspects).
692 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:38pm |
re: #681 Dark_Falcon
Any strategy predicated on surprise and shock is only likely to work in the short to mid term. If the faction using it cannot win relatively quickly, they'll be at a loss once their enemies recover their footing. World War Two was a fine example of that, particularly in the Pacific.
I'm hoping the O admin. won't survive the sleeping giant waking up to $5 a gallon gas and 25-cent dollars.
693 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:49pm |
re: #669 Steffan
I read someplace that The One is less popular than GWB was at this point in his first term.
I did screw up and did not scroll all the way down. I can't understand those numbers for Carter, he must have had a early bump to be in the 70's that was higher then most everyone's early numbers.
695 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:50pm |
re: #688 pingjockey
Diversity is great, how about smarts, common sense, whatever you want to call it. The great majority on the left want the gubmint to take care of their happy asses from cradle to grave, punish those who work hard with confiscatory taxes. Total disconnect from reality in foreign policy, it goes own and own.
I believe diversity is an old wooden ship used during the civil war era.
696 | lobo91 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:52pm |
re: #668 avanti
There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.
One good reason you see such "diversity" on display at the DNC is that there are quotas for delegates.
697 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:20pm |
re: #678 Slumbering Behemoth
{Sleepy B}- I do know what I mean when I think of RINOs, but I agree that it's so subjective now, I don't like the term anymore.
698 | stevieray Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:23pm |
Its 17 degrees outside... we had 10 inches of snow last night... and the roads are a solid sheet of ice. So, guess what happened 45 minutes ago?
My heat went out!
I have hot water baseboard heat, and the pump which sends that beautiful warm water into my apartment decided to give up the ghost.
I had to drive over to my sister's place (luckily, only about a mile away) and borrow a couple of space heaters.
Why do these things only happen at night... or on weekends? How do major appliances know the day and the time?
699 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:40pm |
re: #647 NYCHardhat
In less than ten years since 911:
A POTUS named Barack Hussein Obama
Nuff said
A man with a Muslim Swahili name should not be president because Muslims attacked the United States?
700 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:56pm |
re: #669 Steffan
I read someplace that The One is less popular than GWB was at this point in his first term.
Lets see the big O's popularity on September 20th, 2009. Then we can cross foot the numbers of GWB at the same point in his presidency.
701 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:00pm |
re: #452 avanti
Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.
You may be correct on this, though I saw many comments by Democrats on blogs during the election that said things like, "I'm tired of being held hostage by Roe V. Wade. We aren't tied to a particular nominee for fear we'll lose our right to choose. If we were going to lose it, it would have been lost during the tenure of republican Presidents. If it were going to be overturned, it would have happened during the last eight years." Mostly this was said by PUMAs who were defending their right to vote for Palin without being fear-mongered by the Obamabots, but I think Roe v. Wade may be shrinking as an issue.
703 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:31pm |
re: #690 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea. A fatwa would look real good on my I love me wall with all my navy stuff.
704 | Dave the..... Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:36pm |
There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.
If you consider skin color and sexual orientation diversity.
How about diversity of thought?
706 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:54pm |
re: #665 Sharmuta
I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.
I'm sure, in certain "high principled" circles, he would be called a Libtard.
707 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:54pm |
re: #636 unclassifiable
Around me now? My friends? My family? For the most part, my side of the family are SoCons, as are the majority of my friends - but not all. My mother thinks she is a Democrat, but can't articulate what that means. My stepfather is very conservative. Now, my husband's side is full of raving moonbat leftists loons, to include a Berkeley prof. He has overcome great odds, that one.
I have limited reference points for Muslims. I have the stories from my husbands trips to the sandbox. I have the Iraqi who owns the Subway across the street, but he is a Christian now, so not sure where that fits in, really.
My Mother came from France, English is her second language. You're right, not so popular. ;)
708 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:02pm |
re: #689 jim in virginia
OK. I don't read as fast as you do. Too much beer at Lovett. We're not intellectuals like the bozos at Hanszen.
By the way, did you ever know EC Holt's daughter?
EC Holt ... Fast Eddie? He was married? He had sex?
I don't remember any intellectuals at Hanszen. Of course, Forrest Gump would look like Einstein if he lived next door to Weiss.
709 | topazpilot Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:10pm |
Okay, so on a whim I decided to take a stroll through the sewer known as the liberal blogosphere. You know what I found? Not one single sentence devoted to the free falling stock market. Oh, if the DOW dipped half a point when Bush was in office they were declaring it the worst dip since 1929, but now that their golden messiah sits upon the ivory throne there is...crickets.
What are they talking about? Some pseudo rift between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh. A rift they are desperately trying to create hoping that if a lie is repeated often enough then it becomes true. It's amusing that all the scummy liberal blogs are bleating almost verbatim, which leads me to believe that they are getting their talking points from somewhere up high. Rahmbo strikes again!
As a sidenote, I find it amusing that they are trying to create these rifts amongst conservatives. First it was Rush vs. Newt, now Steele vs. Rush. It's like their trying to sow dissension in the ranks and obscure the reality happening around us. What would that be? Oh yeah, the crumbling stock market that is occurring under the watch of the Golden One.
710 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:21pm |
re: #678 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a pejorative, slung about by folks with the intention of insulting those who don't adhere 100% to their personal brand of True ConservativeTM Kool-Aide.
It is an entirely subjective term, and as such, the definition of a RINO lies strictly in the narrowly focused eye of the
accuserbeholder./I'm gonna stick to using the pejorative "poopy-head". At least that one gets the occasional laugh.
that's pretty soft. You are voting with the Democrats or you are not. Not subjective. Pretty simple, really.
711 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:40pm |
re: #663 SFGoth
Except you don't understand that over time, the law incorporates social mores so that sharia would eventually infect our secular system.
How many Muslims are you envisioning in the country? And why do you think they're gonna get to us before we get to them, which is what has happened with every other immigrant group?
712 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:55pm |
re: #678 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a pejorative, slung about by folks with the intention of insulting those who don't adhere 100% to their personal brand of True ConservativeTM Kool-Aide.
It is an entirely subjective term, and as such, the definition of a RINO lies strictly in the narrowly focused eye of the
accuserbeholder./I'm gonna stick to using the pejorative "poopy-head". At least that one gets the occasional laugh.
IMO the most fiscal minded Conservative can be cast as a RINO if he/she votes the other way on almost any pressing issue of the day. It is a pejorative.
713 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:01pm |
re: #665 Sharmuta
I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.
with respect...of course somebody would if he didn't toe their line of ideology...RINO has no concrete meaning, it is a way to express your disregard for some one's value not in step with your own...it is ultimately divisive...that's what it's for, to elevate your position above another...conservatism will not flourish again until we unite at the simplest foundation and the rest be left off the platform...imo
714 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:03pm |
re: #686 ploome hineni
Repeating?
You have got me mixed up with some one else.
Your yawn is pretty reminiscent of stuff I see hear posted from Kos.
Perhaps it has grown to be your reflexive response to anything that does not celebrate the greatness that is ploome.
716 | NYCHardhat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:14pm |
re: #699 SanFranciscoZionist
A man with a Muslim Swahili name should not be president because Muslims attacked the United States?
No. A man who coddles muslims that attacked the USA should not be POTUS.
717 | doppelganglander Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:15pm |
re: #630 reine.de.tout
I'm glad this topic came up because I keep forgetting to order. I just did, and I can't wait to learn dozens of new ways to prepare lizard!
/Wait, what?
718 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:17pm |
re: #704 Dave the.....
If you consider skin color and sexual orientation diversity.
How about diversity of thought?
Now you're making trouble for the ruling narrative...
719 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:35pm |
re: #668 avanti
That's crap. Look at W's cabinet. Or does that not count because they were republicans?
720 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:55:32pm |
re: #693 avanti
So you posted something "correcting" me without having a clue as to what you were actually talking about? Even provided numbers that were beyond your ability to read/comprehend?
You are the epitome of a brain-dead Liberal.
If it doesn't make Obama look good, it can't be true.
721 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:03pm |
re: #684 Lincolntf
Still waiting for Avanti to redefine mathematics for me.
When is 70 less than 65?
When a Liberal says so, silly!
I admitted my error, Carter was way more popular then expected when I scrolled all the way down to the first weeks.
722 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:05pm |
724 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:18pm |
re: #668 avanti
You know Avanti, this is the main problem with people on the left.
I would argue George Bush has probably the most diverse cabinet to date.
The typical argument is never based on substance. The media writes the script, and then reports on it.
The democrats operate like a gang initiation. If you are black, it is automatic that you are a democrat. If you are black republican, it is automatic you are an uncle tom.
Never the chance for an intelligent argument based on substance.
Your statement is the prime example of this perpetuate.
Bush has done more than any President ever, to help the African continent. The press, nor anyone in the minority special interest groups so much as gave him a thank you for it.
725 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:28pm |
re: #698 stevieray
Its 17 degrees outside... we had 10 inches of snow last night... and the roads are a solid sheet of ice. So, guess what happened 45 minutes ago?
My heat went out!
I have hot water baseboard heat, and the pump which sends that beautiful warm water into my apartment decided to give up the ghost.
I had to drive over to my sister's place (luckily, only about a mile away) and borrow a couple of space heaters.
Why do these things only happen at night... or on weekends? How do major appliances know the day and the time?
Condolences. Glad you have power to run the heaters.
726 | FloridaAnole Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:57:39pm |
re: #607 SFGoth
Enjoy the campaign parties, they'll be pretty lonely. Exorcism. That's exactly what the GOP needs to put the nail in the coffin of relevance.
Relax ---I doubt that the GOP will make exorcism part of the platform. If the GOP can tolerate people who have various religious beliefs that some might find strange or tacky or uncool, as it has done up till now, then this should not not be an issue, any more than Romney's Mormonism should be an issue.
727 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:17pm |
re: #619 Gort
Serious question, looking for answers: What is the most effective strategy or strategies of defense (or counter-attack) - against Alinsky's Rules?
The most effective strategy is as follows:
-Concede nothing. Don't give people trying to cause a crisis anything at all.
-Name the enemy as such. Do not call Alinskyites 'good, well-meaning' or anything of that sort. Use terms like "scum' and "anti-patriots".
-Be ready to fight. Do no provoke or instigate violence, but be prepared to fight when they start something.
-Get your counter-message out early and often. Preach and propagandize your views constantly.
And finally:
-Never lose your nerve. No retreat, no surrender.
728 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:18pm |
re: #667 mich-again
Slavery. It gets stuff done.
Capitalism. It gets stuff done that people actually can use.
729 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:31pm |
re: #696 lobo91
One good reason you see such "diversity" on display at the DNC is that there are quotas for delegates.
So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?
731 | doppelganglander Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:59:18pm |
re: #677 pink freud
Maybe you should run for office. It sounds like you're a very effective communicator.
733 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:00:11pm |
re: #729 avanti
Nope. The GOP has done a shit job of getting its message out.
734 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:00:37pm |
re: #705 ploome hineni
Because some of those Muslims are engineers, doctors, and other professionals who are making a positive impact to this country and, at least from what I can see, are not prone to go to Toronto to protest Jews much less care who is paying them.
But then again I guess I do not live in a hotbed of Islamist activity.
736 | VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:01:23pm |
re: #656 Sharmuta
So- you're leaning Fiscal too?
I think RINO is a fiscal related term. I can't think of any time it has been used in reference to someone who was not socially conservative enough. In fact, most (not all) social issues have taken a back seat to the fiscal ones.
738 | FloridaAnole Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:02:02pm |
re: #520 _RememberTonyC
Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...
[Link: www.970wfla.com...]
Fu*king Disgusting
Cool. Does that indicate that the Newsweek staff was threatened with beheading or something? I'd hate to think they preemptively surrendered.
739 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:02:04pm |
re: #705 ploome hineni
how about prayer rooms in public schools only for muslims?
I couldn't even get my old school to open the library at lunch so the Muslim kids wouldn't have to sit in the cafeteria during Ramadan, so I really don't know.
we pay for muslims to wash their feet at special foot washing station at airports?
Silly, since you can wash for prayer easily enough in a restroom, or with a water bottle and hand towel, but I've never seen one. Heard about them here and on some other web places. What airports have them?
how about ritos at universities when Israelis' speak?
how about violence and intimidation of JEws on campus and on the streets of Orlando? or Toronto?
Should be aggressively and uncompromisingly dealt with by private and city authorities. All criminal acts should be prosecuted. And that goes as well for the non-Muslim ****heads involved.
why are we allowing ANY muslim immigration ?
Because we are a nation of immigrants. And because we're not bigots.
740 | lobo91 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:02:40pm |
re: #729 avanti
So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?
I notice you didn't address the DNC's quota system for delegates.
Gotta have that "diversity for the TV cameras, right? White liberals, black liberals, asian liberals, gay liberals. Just make sure there's no diversity of thought or anything.
Can't have that, now.
741 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:06pm |
re: #729 avanti
So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?
not really flawed...the youth, hispanics and blacks are generally ignorant of what is best for them...the donks know this and the MSM is their tool to exploit it
742 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:15pm |
re: #736 VioletTiger
I think RINO is a fiscal related term. I can't think of any time it has been used in reference to someone who was not socially conservative enough. In fact, most (not all) social issues have taken a back seat to the fiscal ones.
Unfortunately that's not true of the groups who preferred Huckabee over Romney in the primaries.
743 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:33pm |
re: #735 Gort
Thank you for the reply.
You are welcome. Feel free to repost those tactics where you please. I only ask that you properly quote me.
744 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:04:14pm |
re: #724 formercorpsman
You know Avanti, this is the main problem with people on the left.
I would argue George Bush has probably the most diverse cabinet to date.
The typical argument is never based on substance. The media writes the script, and then reports on it.
The democrats operate like a gang initiation. If you are black, it is automatic that you are a democrat. If you are black republican, it is automatic you are an uncle tom.
Never the chance for an intelligent argument based on substance.
Your statement is the prime example of this perpetuate.
Bush has done more than any President ever, to help the African continent. The press, nor anyone in the minority special interest groups so much as gave him a thank you for it.
Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect. The Hispanic vote is swinging to the Democrats too. If the perception of the GOP is that it's not diverse, that becomes the reality.
746 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:04:27pm |
re: #723 ploome hineni
are you this poster?
my question was addressed to himso you can relax
Oh, I'm just jumping in for the hell of it.
;)
748 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:05:26pm |
re: #697 Sharmuta
It's been tossed about so flippantly that it has lost any significant meaning it may have once had. I tire of hearing that insult, and I grow tired of hearing from those who use it.
It's becoming like the over worn, catch-all insult "faggot". After a million iterations, it loses any sting it was intended to have.
749 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:05:27pm |
re: #744 avanti
Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect. The Hispanic vote is swinging to the Democrats too. If the perception of the GOP is that it's not diverse, that becomes the reality.
people will vote for whoever gives them free stuff...are you really this stupid?
750 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:06:25pm |
re: #744 avanti
Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect.
The aid to Africa pushed by Bush was to buy votes in the African-American community?
/projection
752 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:06:52pm |
re: #743 Dark_Falcon
You are welcome. Feel free to repost those tactics where you please. I only ask that you properly quote me.
Roger that.
753 | VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:07:48pm |
re: #742 Bloodnok
Unfortunately that's not true of the groups who preferred Huckabee over Romney in the primaries.
You have a good point there. The social aspects continue to be a split-factor for the party, but I suspect the current situation may erode some of that.
754 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:07:50pm |
re: #729 avanti
So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?
I don't think it is such that the Spanish, black, and youth do not support the Republicans but that they are drawn towards the Democratic party. Politics is a fickle business and it would take more than "a message" by the Republican party to attract more of these voting blocks. Typically this is accomplished by "bringing the bacon home" in traditional politics.
Any attempt to garner their support through gimmickry and rhetoric will have little effect. These party loyalties have been solidified over decades of social dynamics and cannot be changed overnight. In the end, action speaks louder than words.
755 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:07:56pm |
re: #740 lobo91
I notice you didn't address the DNC's quota system for delegates.
Gotta have that "diversity for the TV cameras, right? White liberals, black liberals, asian liberals, gay liberals. Just make sure there's no diversity of thought or anything.
Can't have that, now.
But that diversity shows up in the polling and votes, not just on TV. It's not as if there are not a bunch of minorities in the base.
756 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:08:00pm |
re: #751 ploome hineni
not really
muslims are here in USA to feed at our table
they are not here to integrate byt to dominate
every single muslim influenced state is a SHITHOLE
and that is the direct result of islamic culture
: D
757 | LemonJoose Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:08:04pm |
So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?
759 | Gretchen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:09:14pm |
re: #72 ArmyWife
I've said that for years - better looking always wins:
Obama v. McCain
Bush v. Kerry
Bush v. Gore
Clinton v. Dole
Clinton v. Daddy Bush
It's been that way more or less for a long time.
I maintain George W. Bush sealed the deal in the last election after memo gate when the MSM showed the dog faced GI pixs of Kerry and the sexy pilot pix of young GW.
760 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:09:32pm |
re: #710 The Shadow Do
that's pretty soft. You are voting with the Democrats or you are not. Not subjective. Pretty simple, really.
Bullshit. The term RINO is defined by the issuer of the insult, which is what makes it entirely subjective.
761 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:09:35pm |
re: #753 VioletTiger
Take heart. I am a SoCon, but I can't stand Huckabee. He is a snake oil salesman.
Maybe I'll take a line from Sharmuta and define what "SoCon" means to people.
762 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:03pm |
763 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:16pm |
re: #731 doppelganglander
Maybe you should run for office. It sounds like you're a very effective communicator.
I take 'em in small chunks and just enjoy the hell out of it, DG'er. I LOVE it! You guys here have been a godsend for me. There's so much info here, so many facts, so many opinions that help me when I get rolling. I appreciate it more than you guys know. I spend most of my time on campus surrounded by that academic liberal mindset, which means I am not challenging the entitlement crowd, I am challenging the tax payers and the rich kids. Easier, in a way; some can be reached with rational arguments.
Run for office ..... I know, you're not the first to tell me that. I am considering it.
764 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:47pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
Ummmmm....No. Misguided yes. I don't use that term rino. Should say try not to. Snow and Collins have a knack for pissing me off. :)
765 | Bobblehead Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:14pm |
Check out the cover of the March 9th Weekly Standard. Couldn't be more fitting
767 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:24pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?
I believe a RINO changes their political party for advancement. We had a recent election for States Attorney. One candidate changed his political party four years ago to Rep. The other has been a Rep. their whole life. He changed his party to pander to voters, that imho is a RINO.
George Bush was not as conservative as he should have been. He is not a RINO. His ideas and tax cuts were pretty conservative, but the spending was out of control.
768 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:28pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
I think he was moderate, but not yet RINO (though he seemed headed that direction!). I couldn't stand his spending habits, supported his stance on taxes, supported his Military views, hated his prescription bill.
769 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:54pm |
re: #755 avanti
But that diversity shows up in the polling and votes, not just on TV. It's not as if there are not a bunch of minorities in the base.
of course it does...it's all about handouts and socialism...are you dense?...why do you waste all these flowery words trying to hide what is obvious?....diversity means legislating to the select....you have it all backwords
771 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:02pm |
Report: Obama Offers to Scrap Missile Shield If Russia Cooperates on Iran
President Obama offered to consider scrapping plans for a missile defense shield in Europe if Russia helps rein in Iran's nuclear program, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported.
Geez, what could possibly go wrong with this plan?
/gas up the clown car, we're headed to Moscow for Peace In Our Time
772 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:14pm |
re: #754 Gus 802
I don't think it is such that the Spanish, black, and youth do not support the Republicans but that they are drawn towards the Democratic party. Politics is a fickle business and it would take more than "a message" by the Republican party to attract more of these voting blocks. Typically this is accomplished by "bringing the bacon home" in traditional politics.
Any attempt to garner their support through gimmickry and rhetoric will have little effect. These party loyalties have been solidified over decades of social dynamics and cannot be changed overnight. In the end, action speaks louder than words.
I agree, you could win some of them back next cycle. i.e. you were doing pretty good with the Hispanics a few years back, and they are socially conservative, but lost them over the immigration debate.
773 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:38pm |
re: #740 lobo91
It's all about appearance and how it makes ya feeeeeeell, doncha know.
774 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:45pm |
776 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:07pm |
re: #771 Killian Bundy
Obama is out of his league and Putin knows it. Oh the laughs over vodka happening as we type.
777 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:19pm |
re: #771 Killian Bundy
Goddamn! The fucking Russkies helped the mad mullahs build the frakkin' reactor!
778 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:20pm |
779 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:52pm |
780 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:05pm |
re: #744 avanti
Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect. The Hispanic vote is swinging to the Democrats too. If the perception of the GOP is that it's not diverse, that becomes the reality.
Perception = Reality? Spoken like a true liberal.
781 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:13pm |
re: #753 VioletTiger
You have a good point there. The social aspects continue to be a split-factor for the party, but I suspect the current situation may erode some of that.
I agree with you there. If the RNC would get out there and say something meaningful about the economy and show people they have ideas it would make things a lot easier. We know they can't DO much with the numbers they've got, but they need to start defining their ideas for the economy and make them theirs. Take certain options off Obama's table so that Republicans get the credit if/when they work. Do it now while the Dems and Obama are committed to the actions they've just taken.
782 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:27pm |
re: #754 Gus 802
In my experience, it's not the actual "bacon" that gets the votes among the young, the minorities, etc. It's the LYING PROMISE of bacon that does it.
Every single Dem who has ever run (on a local level specifically, but applicable nationally) has promised to improve education, fill the potholes, balance the budget and bring all sorts of joy and money to the masses. Then they promise it again in 2 years. Then in 4. Then in 6. Then for-frickin'-ever like Kennedy, Kerry, et al.
Does anyone outside of the "system" ever benefit from these promises? Not that I've ever seen, but they sure as hell are dumb enough to keep voting for those who make them.
783 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:30pm |
Good evening.
After another bloodbath in the market today, we are now down approximately 20% since Obama took office.
It has now been several weeks since the Boy Genius Tim Geithner threw up on his shoes and ran out of the room since becoming Treasury Secretary. The market will not turn around until he comes out with a plan that works to deal with the banking problem.
The problem is this:
1. The banks can not start lending like normal until they know how to value theri own assets.
2. They can't value their own assets until there is a market for the mortgage backed securities.
3. But there is no market for the mortgage backed securities cause the Treasury and the SEC keep sticking with the "Mark to Market" valuation model.
4. But instead of deal with this, Geithner has pretended to be otherwise busy doing "stress tests" of the banks, as if that accomplishes anything. This just sends a loud and clear signal to the market that he has no clue.
Look for the market to open on the positive side tomorrow as stocks are getting so freaking cheap now that there has to be a bit of a bounce just due to bargain hunting. Most of the short sellers I know of have covered their shorts now cause they figure that with the market dropping 11 of the last 12 sessions it's bound to go up a bit one of these days. But at the first sign of something else stupid coming from the White House, they will slam the market with more short sells.
But look for another large drop in the market yet again this week.
Lenin and Marx have taken over the White House.
784 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:34pm |
re: #775 ploome hineni
help me out here
:D
I think they are baiting you. Sometimes you have to just smile and nod and back away slowly. But I agree, all you have to do is look at Europe. Duh.
785 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:13pm |
re: #759 Gretchen
I've said that for years - better looking always wins:
Obama v. McCain
Bush v. Kerry
Bush v. Gore
Clinton v. Dole
Clinton v. Daddy BushIt's been that way more or less for a long time.
I maintain George W. Bush sealed the deal in the last election after memo gate when the MSM showed the dog faced GI pixs of Kerry and the sexy pilot pix of young GW.
Let us hope Brad Pitt stays out of politics.
786 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:22pm |
re: #745 ploome hineni
Well your response is classically clueless and could not be further from reality.
The point I am making was that being a conservative has to be broader than the traditional "returning to Judeo-Christian values" position.
There is no return.
We are dealing with a population (not just Muslims) who do not hold nor ever held any Judeo-Christian values. While Bobby Jindal's conversion is remarkable I have a hard time believing that the GOP is going to make any electoral inroads via conversion to Christianity. Now having said that, my issue is wether there is a place in the conservative movement for Muslims. Under the points that SanFranciscoZionist made upthread, I clearly think it is possible. But if you and other like minded people are going to continue to view all Muslims as extremist Islamist then I think we will only server to eventually marginalize ourselves out of existence.
788 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:26pm |
re: #776 ArmyWife
Putin and his bunch will slaughter obambi and his crew like baby seals. The negotiations will be a joke.
789 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:27pm |
re: #770 ArmyWife
maybe we run together!
We definitely are on the same page from what I see of your posts. I'm in Louisiana, where are you?
791 | monkeytime Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:58pm |
re: #709 topazpilot
Okay, so on a whim I decided to take a stroll through the sewer known as the liberal blogosphere. You know what I found? Not one single sentence devoted to the free falling stock market. Oh, if the DOW dipped half a point when Bush was in office they were declaring it the worst dip since 1929, but now that their golden messiah sits upon the ivory throne there is...crickets.
What are they talking about? Some pseudo rift between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh. A rift they are desperately trying to create hoping that if a lie is repeated often enough then it becomes true. It's amusing that all the scummy liberal blogs are bleating almost verbatim, which leads me to believe that they are getting their talking points from somewhere up high. Rahmbo strikes again!
As a sidenote, I find it amusing that they are trying to create these rifts amongst conservatives. First it was Rush vs. Newt, now Steele vs. Rush. It's like their trying to sow dissension in the ranks and obscure the reality happening around us. What would that be? Oh yeah, the crumbling stock market that is occurring under the watch of the Golden One.
What I'm wondering is why the give a damn what Rush thinks/says or anything else. I've never spent a minute listening to NPR, watching MSNBC, watching John Stewart and The View. I could give two shits if Katie Couric said that Rahm was a jerk or whatever. Why are the libs so interested in every word from Rush's mouth all of the sudden. I think they must be boosting his ratings. He must be laughing his ass off.
792 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:58pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?
I would say he is closer to a RINO than a conservative. He was similar to his father in that regard. The Dems want bipartisan government? They just had 8 years of it from GWB. He actually wanted to work with them (much to my chagrin and anger at times too). What we have now is a "open up your mouth and get ready to receive" type of Bipartisan President. I challenge any Dem to show how Obama is more bipartisan than Bush. On Iraq and the GWOT perhaps? At least he let the Dems have their say and let them vote on it. Obama is a demigod bent on forcing his radical vision on the USA. And, when the Republicans complain, they are label "divisive" and not interested in bipartisan governance.
793 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:16:13pm |
re: #778 Slumbering Behemoth
Bookmarking it for later is fine. You'll enjoy it.
794 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:16:22pm |
re: #772 avanti
I agree, you could win some of them back next cycle. i.e. you were doing pretty good with the Hispanics a few years back, and they are socially conservative, but lost them over the immigration debate.
In Texas, the most vocal opponents of ILLEGAL ALIENS are American citizens who happen to be Hispanic.
"Immigration debate" my Aunt Fanny. If you're here illegally, you broke the law. Helluva way to start out as a "contributing member of society".
What if your new neighbor installed a meth lab? Would you excuse him to me as a "independent chemist"? Then don't use "immigration debate" as a euphemism for arguments over illegal aliens. It's beyond facile and into insulting.
795 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:17:05pm |
re: #789 pink freud
People's Republic of Maryland. But seriously, seriously entertaining a job offer which will relo me to the Richmond, VA area.
796 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:17:23pm |
re: #776 ArmyWife
Obama is out of his league and Putin knows it. Oh the laughs over vodka happening as we type.
Putie's man-boobs are much cuter than Obama's.
If you ask me, a man should have some hair on his chest.
799 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:06pm |
re: #760 Slumbering Behemoth
Bullshit. The term RINO is defined by the issuer of the insult, which is what makes it entirely subjective.
Makes it an epithet, not a definition.
800 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:18pm |
re: #791 monkeytime
They care because Rush is right and makes sense. They can't have him taken seriously least the sheeple figure out they've been duped.
801 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:30pm |
802 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:30pm |
re: #794 OldLineTexan
In Texas, the most vocal opponents of ILLEGAL ALIENS are American citizens who happen to be Hispanic."Immigration debate" my Aunt Fanny. If you're here illegally, you broke the law. Helluva way to start out as a "contributing member of society".
What if your new neighbor installed a meth lab? Would you excuse him to me as a "independent chemist"? Then don't use "immigration debate" as a euphemism for arguments over illegal aliens. It's beyond facile and into insulting.
the very same here in NM....
804 | ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:16pm |
Saw Michelle O on the cover of People mag. Was wondering why she is wearing a hot pink lace overlay hooker dress.
805 | VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:32pm |
re: #761 ArmyWife
Take heart. I am a SoCon, but I can't stand Huckabee. He is a snake oil salesman.
Maybe I'll take a line from Sharmuta and define what "SoCon" means to people.
That would be a good discussion. I am very fiscally conservative and conservative on many, but not all social issues. I really would not know where I stood against the "SoCon" standard, if there is such a thing. I would certainly prefer Romney to Huckabee if that's any measure.
806 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:59pm |
re: #798 Iron Fist
Dude, some of my ancestors were Cherokee. In light of their experience with some of those immigrants, well, allowing come as you are immigration might not have exactly been a plan I'd have reccommended.
As were some of mine (mother's side).
807 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:20:10pm |
re: #781 Bloodnok
I agree with you there. If the RNC would get out there and say something meaningful about the economy and show people they have ideas it would make things a lot easier. We know they can't DO much with the numbers they've got, but they need to start defining their ideas for the economy and make them theirs. Take certain options off Obama's table so that Republicans get the credit if/when they work. Do it now while the Dems and Obama are committed to the actions they've just taken.
The time is now to form fiscal policy that can move the electorate in 2 and 4 years. If things keep going like this, there will be a lot of people looking for alternate and viable solutions to send to Washington.
808 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:20:18pm |
re: #771 Killian Bundy
Criminy! Why don't we call all the former satellite nations to a conference, take their envoys into a room, and kick each and every one square in the nuts! Might as well get it over with, you know?
809 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:20:46pm |
re: #797 ploome hineni
the SanFran idiot is amazing
and the other onem just a young Achmed
thinks that muslims have something to contribute ....like honor killings,and intimidating us and demaning respect
why does America have no problem like this with any other immagrant
this muslim situation is a fucking nightmare
My ex is German. His mom goes back quite often. Its bad there. Bad in France, Bad in Britain. It's bad because their unwillingness to live and let live. They want special treatment, special laws, special this and special that.
810 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:21:46pm |
re: #796 Alouette
Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.
So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"
811 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:21:54pm |
re: #744 avanti
There in lies the rub. Nothing in the Constitution is based upon race, nor diversity.
Your whole argument, is the democrat playbook for chumming the political waters.
I base my vote not upon the kaleidescope of the constituency, but the of the true black and white.
If the country ever decides to right itself, and get back to arguing ideas as opposed to sound bites, this whole concept of politically correct poker will have no meaning.
I see your professional black female, and raise you 2 migrant south americans.
812 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:13pm |
re: #801 avanti
Yea, that tape won over some minority votes.
millions of voters are stupid or willfully ignorant....you need to hit the books and learn what liberalism is...you get hung up slitting hairs and the obvious reality flies right over your head...pardon me for sounding harsh
813 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:24pm |
Bad Bank' Funding Plan Starts to Get Fleshed Out
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration, filling in some of the blanks in its bank bailout, is considering creating multiple investment funds to purchase the bad loans and other distressed assets that lie at the heart of the financial crisis, according to people familiar with the matter.
The Obama team announced its intention to partner with the private sector to buy $500 billion to $1 trillion of distressed assets as part of its revamping of the $700 billion bank bailout last month. It's central to the administration's efforts to unglue credit markets, alongside a Federal Reserve program aimed at spurring consumer lending in areas such as credit cards and home loans that will be officially launched Tuesday.
No decision has been made on the final structure of what the administration is calling a private-public financing partnership, but one leading idea is to establish separate funds to be run by private investment managers. The managers would have to put up a certain amount of capital. Additional financing would come from the government, which would share in any profit or loss.
But Obama and crew are still ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room, which is how to price these assets.
814 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:24pm |
re: #800 ArmyWife
I'm beginning to think that myself.
He's not nearly the ogre that I often hear him described as. I tuned out Rush after Clinton/Lewinsky and have only recently decided to check him out again. He strikes me as being a lot more self-deprecating than when I first heard him on AFN years ago.
Marginalizing/eliminating Rush is the next big thing on the MSM agenda now that they've succeeded in installing their pet President.
816 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:08pm |
re: #762 Desert Dog
OT
Fresh off his fisticuffs in Lebanon, it's your favorite grouch
Great read, as always. The atheism is a bit grating, but the point is spot-on.
817 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:23pm |
re: #810 ArmyWife
Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.
So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"
oh man. I don't feel guilty for my lusty feelings for him anymore. LOL
818 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:32pm |
re: #766 ploome hineni
did you have anything to say?
I've said it. You are free to respond or ignore it.
820 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:55pm |
re: #803 pink freud
Me too. Big decision!
That just means we need to run for national office, though. Why the heck not? We are more qualified than the person currently running our country!
821 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:09pm |
re: #780 pink freud
Perception = Reality? Spoken like a true liberal.
Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.
822 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:17pm |
re: #810 ArmyWife
Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.
So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"
Nixon's "Pink Lady" lives!
823 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:23pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
Well there go some assumptions...Btw, we are not all rich, or white, or Christian, or democrat, or American ,or ......you get the idea.
824 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:33pm |
re: #800 ArmyWife
They care because Rush is right and makes sense. They can't have him taken seriously least the sheeple figure out they've been duped.
At my office there are people I think of as the 'bulletin board screechers' because they write hysterical graffitti over postings on the coffee room board.
A recent printout of the stock market dive was written over with a screed about 'Mindless drones following Rush Limbaugh's marching orders.' As if he was responsible for the market dip. It does seem that there is a lot of concern among the left about what he says, and a need to preemptively disparage it.
825 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:33pm |
re: #790 ArmyWife
Did you mean Curly and Larry?
That might be an apt comparison, except for the clear damage these clowns are doing to our economy and our nation.
At a time when we need as much capital formation as possible, they want to raise taxes.
Hoover tried that in 1930.
It did not work out well.
826 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:03pm |
re: #685 NYCHardhat
The worst Rino I can think of: McCain.
Do the names Snowe, Collins, and Specter even make it into the running?
827 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:06pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
Most definitely.
While he did give tax cuts, he also acquiesced on some major spending.
828 | Bobblehead Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:30pm |
829 | Shr_Nfr Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:48pm |
Chris Tingle predicts Obama failure:
In a long monologue on “Hardball” decrying the Senate’s 60-vote requirement for passing legislation, Chris Matthews predicted legislation on energy, healthcare and education would fail to pass Congress this year – and offered a dire prognosis for the Obama administration.
“My bet in the end is the system will bring down Obama,” Matthews said. “Not the Republicans – the system.”
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No, not the fact that he is inexperienced, naive, a socialist, an arrogant idiot, and all the rest. The system. Right Chris, carry on.
830 | SteveC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:51pm |
re: #810 ArmyWife
Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.
Obama reminds me of the hell on wheels Heisman Trophy winner who never amounted to much in the pros. He can't deal with the fact that up here in the bigs, everybody is a stud.
831 | ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:17pm |
re: #813 3 wood
The Obama team announced its intention to partner with the private sector
Until the O team can take over completely.
832 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:23pm |
re: #821 avanti
Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.
I would rather be doomed than a mindless drooler Obot
833 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:36pm |
re: #821 avanti
Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that
a voters perceptionthe main stream media shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.
834 | Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:45pm |
re: #783 3 wood
Thank you for your regular updates, 3 wood. Even though the news is not so great these days, I look forward to reading your posts every morning.
835 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:32pm |
re: #798 Iron Fist
Dude, some of my ancestors were Cherokee. In light of their experience with some of those immigrants, well, allowing come as you are immigration might not have exactly been a plan I'd have reccommended.
Entirely agreed, however if I pointed out that the United States is a product of racist genocide from its earliest days, I suspect people around here might think I was a liberal or commie or something...
/only mildly
836 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:38pm |
re: #829 Shr_Nfr
THE SYSTEM? THE SYSTEM?
Note to Obama: Now YOU are Mr. Charlie, i.e. The Man.
/how you like me now?
837 | freetoken Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:44pm |
re: #726 FloridaAnole
[...] this should not not be an issue, any more than Romney's Mormonism should be an issue.
But Romney's Mormonism was an issue (e.g., his special trip to TX to give a speech about his beliefs)... which is the point, really. The libertarian monetary and fiscal policy folk are turning out to be somewhat immiscible with the SoCons, over time.
838 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:53pm |
I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh
840 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:28:06pm |
re: #810 ArmyWife
Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.
So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"
Of all the world leaders today, I think Bibi is hottest.
841 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:28:37pm |
re: #786 unclassifiable
Well your response is classically clueless and could not be further from reality.
The point I am making was that being a conservative has to be broader than the traditional "returning to Judeo-Christian values" position.
There is no return.
We are dealing with a population (not just Muslims) who do not hold nor ever held any Judeo-Christian values. While Bobby Jindal's conversion is remarkable I have a hard time believing that the GOP is going to make any electoral inroads via conversion to Christianity. Now having said that, my issue is wether there is a place in the conservative movement for Muslims. Under the points that SanFranciscoZionist made upthread, I clearly think it is possible. But if you and other like minded people are going to continue to view all Muslims as extremist Islamist then I think we will only server to eventually marginalize ourselves out of existence.
here's the issue, moslems who come here segregate themselves into neighborhoods and enclaves and do not want to integrate into an american melting pot.
if they do, they become apostates. which is fine
but it seems impossible for moslems to embrace our values and remain true to their own,
islam is not here to be equal but to dominate.
even 'moderate' moslems have problems assimilating.
look at the 'moderate' who cut his wife's head off a few wks. ago
because she want a divorce. her right under the american legal system.
842 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:28:59pm |
re: #838 Killgore Trout
I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh
They'll tell you you're over-qualified.
843 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:29:42pm |
re: #842 Sharmuta
Yeah, I'll probably leave my masters degree off my resume.
844 | monkeytime Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:29:46pm |
re: #800 ArmyWife
They care because Rush is right and makes sense. They can't have him taken seriously least the sheeple figure out they've been duped.
Oh I'm sure. They wouldn't be gunnin so hard for him if they didn't find him scary. I just want them to know - that we know why they care.
845 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:29:56pm |
re: #825 3 wood
So, we blew past market support today and they can't go to zero without total societal collapse and possibly open insurrection.
IMO, we're into irrational self-fulfilling prophesy territory here.
/how low will the DJIA go?
846 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:21pm |
847 | Shr_Nfr Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:22pm |
re: #813 3 wood
They get priced when the guys sell them to the bad bank. The bad bank(s) will bid. If the guys who have the glow in the dark stuff don't want to sell at that price, they don't. Same way any market works. I offer you X, you can take it or give me a counter offer. We can haggle. You don't like my price, try the guy next door. I was virtually a market maker in National Presto for a couple of months many years ago. The specialist was just as happy that he didn't have to risk his capital.
849 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:35pm |
re: #786 unclassifiable
You surely could admit, quite a bit of this country's inspiration in her founding is drawn from that foundation.
British Common Law?
850 | ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:45pm |
re: #838 Killgore Trout
I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh
That's what you get for not being a minority.
Seriously, I hope it works out. That's an awful situation to be in.
851 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:03pm |
re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist
For her own good, we should knit her a sweater.
852 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:08pm |
Saw Michelle O on the cover of People mag. Was wondering why she is wearing a hot pink lace overlay hooker dress.
Man you have some conservative hookers near you. My wife commented that it looks like she shops at Target like she does. That's a casual house dress for DC or Chicago for that matter.
853 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:35pm |
re: #843 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I'll probably leave my masters degree off my resume.
Management doesn't like potential competition in the ranks.
854 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:38pm |
re: #835 SanFranciscoZionist
Entirely agreed, however if I pointed out that the United States is a product of racist genocide from its earliest days, I suspect people around here might think I was a liberal or commie or something...
/only mildly
opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.
855 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:41pm |
re: #837 freetoken
But Romney's Mormonism was an issue (e.g., his special trip to TX to give a speech about his beliefs)... which is the point, really. The libertarian monetary and fiscal policy folk are turning out to be somewhat immiscible with the SoCons, over time.
It was. Agreed. Should it be? Isn't it hard to believe that Rev Wright's church was okay and everyone pats themselves on the back for electing the first black president, and looking forward to electing the first woman, and how great it was that we overcame our bias enough in the 60's to elect JFK the Catholic, but a Mormon is an untouchable?
856 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:43pm |
re: #843 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I'll probably leave my masters degree off my resume.
Heh. I hit that point once.
Scientists ask "Why?"
Engineers ask "How?"
AEROSPACE engineers ask "You want fries with that?"
857 | ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:48pm |
re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist
Her taste in clothing is a little weird.
Weird? The MSM would never let it go if another First Lady dressed like that. It's embarrassing.
858 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:53pm |
re: #712 Bloodnok
IMO the most fiscal minded Conservative can be cast as a RINO if he/she votes the other way on almost any pressing issue of the day. It is a pejorative.
That's what I mean when I say the term is subjective. You defined the term RINO, IYO. Other folks will define it in their own terms, which may not come anywhere close to resembling yours.
I am a registered republican, and hereby declare myself a RINO. Why? Because it is the only viable party that I can identify myself with based on my conservative principles, yet many of that party's adherents and representatives do not champion or uphold the values and positions that consider to be truly conservative. And until a there is a viable party that tacks more closely to my conservative values, or the GOP begins to do so, I will remain a RINO.
It should also be noted that what I consider to be truly conservative in the way of values and political positions is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.
859 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:53pm |
‘New Europe’ Longs for Bush as Obama Turns Focus to EU, Russia
March 2 (Bloomberg) -- Eastern European governments that ran political risks to support former President George W. Bush’s security policies are now concerned that his successor, Barack Obama, will backtrack on those regional commitments.
Leaders in the Czech Republic, Poland and other former communist nations face a backlash at home over their support of Bush-era initiatives, including the proposed U.S. missile- defense system and troop participation in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Meanwhile, concern is growing in eastern Europe that it will be put on “the back burner” as the Obama administration talks about working with Russia and western Europe on issues such as Iran, says Annette Heuser, executive director of the Bertelsmann Foundation, a policy group in Washington.
But I thought the Messiah was going to make everything alright.
I'm not surprised Obama is going to cozy up to Russia. He's just being true to his Marxist philosophy.
860 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:00pm |
re: #821 avanti
But the "voter perceptions" are often steered by propagandists and dolts. The job of conservatives is to make sure that voters realize that people who think like you have no answers, no skills and no future.
They don't learn History in school, so it's up to conservatives to teach them.
861 | freetoken Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:17pm |
862 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:49pm |
re: #831 ciaospirit
Until the O team can take over completely.
Like when the Soviet Union decided to partner with parts of Germany.
863 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:50pm |
re: #674 SanFranciscoZionist
I thought that this was about the conscience of the individual. Are we allowed to override the conscience of the individual for some things but not others?
Well, that's a good question.
In my mind, if a "conscience" clause is reasonable to allow people to refuse services, then it should be reasonable for all.
Anyone who might be likely to invoke a "conscience" clause in the performance of their duties should let their employer know ahead of time. The employer can then decide whether or not to hire the person.
864 | albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:33:45pm |
re: #853 Sharmuta
Management doesn't like potential competition in the ranks.
they put you in charge of beans and the next thing you know you're taking over the whole veggie isle
865 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:33:45pm |
re: #859 3 wood
‘New Europe’ Longs for Bush as Obama Turns Focus to EU, Russia
But I thought the Messiah was going to make everything alright.
I'm not surprised Obama is going to cozy up to Russia. He's just being true to his Marxist philosophy.
Eastern Europe? Did you say EASTERN EUROPE? Under the bus with them! It was nice knowing you former Warsaw Pact countries.....see you again once we get a real President...
866 | SteveC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:33:55pm |
re: #845 Killian Bundy
So, we blew past market support today and they can't go to zero without total societal collapse and possibly open insurrection.
The CNBC crew was chewing nails today. Larry Kudlow just freakin' exploded!
867 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:02pm |
re: #848 Iron Fist
Love the avatar. Somehow, I don't think you are going to be getting that unicorn. Try and contain your dissappointment in the One. Think of all those Leftists who voted for him because he promised to lose the Iraq war in thirty days. They must be feeling betrayed right about now...
I know. A local liberal periodical had "Impeach Obama" as a headline because of the recent bombings in the middle east.
If you have a twisted sense of humor, (and i think you do) put in "planet unicorn" on youtube. It is very bizarre.
869 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:11pm |
re: #815 ploome hineni
I have not deluded myself at all.
I simply open my eyes and see. I open my ears and hear.
I know I got it wrong with you.
Whatever group you have aligned yourself with (if any at all) I want no part of it.
I guess you have no hope for Iraq. They will return to being brutal Islamist and the whole Iraq war was a folly to you.
There is only one kind of Muslim to you where I see many types.
I am not even sure what you would say bout the Irish coming out of the shithole that was 19th century Ireland, or Eastern Europeans trying to escape the misery of communism.
But from your little display tonight I got a pretty damn good idea.
870 | G'day Mate Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:33pm |
Jindal is a trained biologist and a Rhodes scholar yet he allows creationist loonies to interfere in education policy......WTF?
871 | IslandLibertarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:44pm |
Driving home from work today, I was behind a BMW with an
"Obama-'08" bumper sticker, along with a vanity license plate that read:
"FKD"
/you just can't make this shit up.
872 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:47pm |
re: #809 bellamags
Add to that, some special interests, extremely well funded with petrodollars.
873 | VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:06pm |
re: #809 bellamags
My ex is German. His mom goes back quite often. Its bad there. Bad in France, Bad in Britain. It's bad because their unwillingness to live and let live. They want special treatment, special laws, special this and special that.
They want to eliminate the resident culture and replace it with their own.
875 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:21pm |
re: #853 Sharmuta
Management doesn't like potential competition in the ranks.
The times I have rejected over-qualified people have had more to do with not wanting to repeat the whole process in six months when he/she leaves. However, these were technical positions that required an investment on my part in training (time).
876 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:41pm |
re: #843 Killgore Trout
HR advice that you didn't ask for, so feel free to ignore. Technically, they can't call you "over qualified" and not have given you the job. There is no such thing as "over qualified". You either meet the qualifications, or you don't. If you meet the qualifications and there is not some legitimate reason for the job not being offered to you (like a rap sheet a mile long), you should be offered the job. If you are over 40, you are a "protected class".
What you WILL hear is you weren't the "best" qualified and for that, I can't help you. I don't know what your master's is in, but our community college is always looking for part time professors in subjects like foreign language or arts. Perhaps you could look into something like that?
877 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:44pm |
re: #870 G'day Mate
Jindal is a trained biologist and a Rhodes scholar yet he allows creationist loonies to interfere in education policy......WTF?
It is indeed very puzzling.
878 | Aviator Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:34pm |
re: #851 ArmyWife
For her own good, we should knit her a sweater.
Could you make the sleeves extra long so they can be buckled to leather straps on the back?
879 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:40pm |
Catching up. Just a reminder that in the pre-civil war nativists fought to keep catholics out of the country because they thought all of them would have more loyalty to the pope than to the constitution. I'm glad they didn't succeed...I like it here. I think you can screen for immigration with your eyes open and with criteria that helps you limit the likelihood you're allowing in people who seek to harm Americans. But rejecting someone on strictly religious criteria seems extreme to me.
880 | Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:41pm |
re: #838 Killgore Trout
I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh
I'm sorry, KT. I'd help if I could.
881 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:51pm |
re: #876 ArmyWife
. ..
What you WILL hear is you weren't the "best" qualified and for that, I can't help you. I don't know what your master's is in, but our community college is always looking for part time professors in subjects like foreign language or arts. Perhaps you could look into something like that?
Excellent advice!
882 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:58pm |
re: #849 formercorpsman
Absolutely.
And those guys were not exactly with the official British declared version of Christianity. They had quite a few different ideas of what that meant. I think that is what finally drove a few of them to propose and ratify the First Amendment.
883 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:58pm |
re: #834 Gort
Thank you for the kind words.
We are living through historic times. The MSM got a Marxist elected President and the market is crashing. The deficit in this new budget dwarfs the last 5 years.
I'm just trying to help folks understand what is going on.
884 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:37:40pm |
885 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:09pm |
re: #847 Shr_Nfr
the bad bank
Worked in the late '70s, although the Obama crew doesn't seem to the stomach for anything that would actually help. But they'll double the deficit, increase the capital gains tax rate, and threaten to enact cap and trade without a second thought.
/HEY OBAMA, DO SOMETHING THAT HELPS AMERICA!
887 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:44pm |
re: #771 Killian Bundy
It would make sense for the Russians to do a couple things. 1) They built the reactor(s), and could make good money REBUILDING the reactor(s). 2) They (Russia/China) sold Iran their AA defense system network. They could certainly sell them the upgraded version in 10 years once the mullahs dig themselves out of the rubble.
The Russian economy isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders right now either. Their long term vision could be enhanced by some near-sighted blindness.
889 | Sosigado Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:51pm |
re: #857 ciaospirit
Weird? The MSM would never let it go if another First Lady dressed like that. It's embarrassing.
I hear that in some fashion circles it's being referred to as Bolshevik Chic.
890 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:06pm |
re: #865 Desert Dog
Eastern Europe? Did you say EASTERN EUROPE? Under the bus with them! It was nice knowing you former Warsaw Pact countries.....see you again once we get a real President...
Back during the Clinton years I used to have a tee-shirt with President Reagan's face on it that said "Remember when we had a real President?"
I'm predicting a come back for that shirt.
891 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:18pm |
re: #820 ArmyWife
Me too. Big decision!
That just means we need to run for national office, though. Why the heck not? We are more qualified than the person currently running our country!
I dream about throwing my hat in against Senator Mary Landrieu. Not starting small with the school board or city council or even a state senator or representative. I think about going straight to the top. Then I think, "Hell, I have zero experience in politics." THEN I think, "Who would vote for me, a nobody?" THEN I think, "Good grief, they all must be as sick of the good-old-boy politicians as I am!" ......THEN I think, "Do I even want to tangle with that nest of vipers!?" .......and then, I think YES. 7-8 times out of ten, I think YES, I DO.
This is, after all, Louisiana politics. Look at Huey Long. Look at William Cao. He is a big inspiration to me. (He is the come-from-nowhere REPUBLICAN who took William Jefferson's U.S. House of Representatives DEMOCRAT seat in New Orleans. I am so proud of that man.)
892 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:35pm |
re: #838 Killgore Trout
I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh
Killgore I feel badly for you.
ArmyWife had a good idea that you could check out - would be better than stocking shelves at a grocery store.
Your difficulties are direct result of something I tried to point out the other night that you poked at me about . . . the spending of money by those who have it trickles down and we all benefit. Even when the spending seems to be frivolous.
893 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:52pm |
re: #799 The Shadow Do
Makes it an epithet, not a definition.
I said as much when I called it a pejorative, an insult. What you seem incapable of understanding is how it's definition is strictly in the eye of the beholder, and thus subjective.
You have your way of defining RINO, Bloodnok has his/hers, and I have presented mine in #858. All different opinions based on the observers point of view. Subjective.
894 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:53pm |
re: #857 ciaospirit
Weird? The MSM would never let it go if another First Lady dressed like that. It's embarrassing.
I've decided that with everything else going on these days, I cannot get too excited about Michelle's dress taste. Either the handlers will make her tone it down, or they won't. If they don't, I get to go on looking at the paper and muttering "What is she THINKING"? Either way...
895 | Jetpilot1101 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:00pm |
re: #883 3 wood
Thank you for the kind words.
We are living through historic times. The MSM got a Marxist elected President and the market is crashing. The deficit in this new budget dwarfs the last 5 years.
I'm just trying to help folks understand what is going on.
3 Wood, you are a voice of reason and someone whose comments I enjoy reading to get perspective on what the markets are doing. Keep up the excellent work; the Lizard nation is much better off with your daily advice and insights.
896 | karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:00pm |
re: #886 taxfreekiller
PPPO
Peter Principle President Obama.
He rose to his level of incompetence when he left "associate professor" and went to the Illinois legislature.
897 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:18pm |
re: #884 SanFranciscoZionist
A nice cardigan...
She likes her arms.
Her arms are receiving praise for being so nice and toned.
It's all she's got.
898 | SteveC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:48pm |
re: #883 3 wood
I'm just trying to help folks understand what is going on.
We're getting screwed on odd numbered days. On even numbered days, we get taken to the woodshed. And on Sundays we get both.
Am I understanding correctly?
899 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:59pm |
re: #864 albusteve
they put you in charge of beans and the next thing you know you're taking over the whole veggie isle
Then FBV shows up, you swing a six-figure deal, and ZAP! you're district produce manager working out deals to produce cello squash.
/
900 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:41:56pm |
re: #821 avanti
Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.
One last time, avanti. We are NOT doomed as a party. Quit saying it or go play in the echo chamber at Kos. I did not say that I think that voters' perception does or does not shape their real world view, I made a challenge to YOUR statement that perception is reality. IT IS NOT.
901 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:06pm |
re: #891 pink freud
I have a great friend who lives in LA. I'd get him to vote for you! He is a site director for a large plant there, if you get serious, email me. He'd be one to talk to so you can support manufacturing and business. He is near New Orleans. Oh, and I have connections from my current job at another plant in Lake Charles. That can be your second stop.
903 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:29pm |
I believe the challenge, by Sharmuta, was to provide a definition. When one is elected as an R but votes as a D then one may fairly be categorized as a RINO, no? Perhaps another word would be more acceptable, moderate R? maverick?re: #835 SanFranciscoZionist
Entirely agreed, however if I pointed out that the United States is a product of racist genocide from its earliest days, I suspect people around here might think I was a liberal or commie or something...
/only mildly
SFZ, the Indian wars were particularly nasty but you should be aware that it was brutal warfare on both sides fed by generations of conflict. This is not to excuse any excesses, it just was so and terribly regrettable. Indian atrocities are never explored nor accepted in conversation any more than candid discussions of our current enemies.
904 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:31pm |
re: #863 reine.de.tout
Well, that's a good question.
In my mind, if a "conscience" clause is reasonable to allow people to refuse services, then it should be reasonable for all.Anyone who might be likely to invoke a "conscience" clause in the performance of their duties should let their employer know ahead of time. The employer can then decide whether or not to hire the person.
That, I think, is a reasonable way to handle it...I really don't think that any health practitioner should be forced to do something they find unconscionable, but I worry about women's access to health care, if a health provider has an unassailable right to say 'no' to drugs and procedures they oppose.
906 | FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:55pm |
a hit at Rush:
Let’s be blunt: Democrats wish Rush to be the face of the Republican Party, because he is not good at television or public orations. After all, Rush tried television and failed.Republicans lost young adults this election. Rush is not the right guy to get them back.
Three reasons (in no particular order):
Like it or not, people in this demographic are sensitive about issues of race. Rush comes across as a boor on the topic. His racism section in the speech is embarrassing.
Second, Rush is bad at “uplift” in his speeches. He sounds angry when he means to be positive. That is bad in the college age demographic.
Third, Rush has too little sense of irony. His bluster may be ironic, but a good many people miss the joke. See Shatner, William for someone who knows how to do it better . . . but even then who wouldn’t be delighted on the right if Bill Shatner, entertainer, become the image of the Democratic Party?
Rush is a great, great entertainer. He is the best at a certain kind of talk radio ever, but he is a shallow thinker who often fails to practice what he preaches.
As such he is a bad public face for the conservative movement.
907 | Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:57pm |
re: #866 SteveC
The CNBC crew was chewing nails today. Larry Kudlow just freakin' exploded!
Hey, at this point, every day the markets go lower, more and more Americans have to reconsider their daily existence, let alone their retirement.
/there will be a tipping point and it draws ever closer
908 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:43:00pm |
re: #786 unclassifiable
Well your response is classically clueless and could not be further from reality.
The point I am making was that being a conservative has to be broader than the traditional "returning to Judeo-Christian values" position.
There is no return.
We are dealing with a population (not just Muslims) who do not hold nor ever held any Judeo-Christian values. While Bobby Jindal's conversion is remarkable I have a hard time believing that the GOP is going to make any electoral inroads via conversion to Christianity. Now having said that, my issue is wether there is a place in the conservative movement for Muslims. Under the points that SanFranciscoZionist made upthread, I clearly think it is possible. But if you and other like minded people are going to continue to view all Muslims as extremist Islamist then I think we will only server to eventually marginalize ourselves out of existence.
I welcome any fiscally conservative, pro-America, non-violent, non-racist individuals to this thread. Those who fit all but the "fiscally conservative" part, I will conditionally still welcome, though I will try to educate.
I resent any and all racist implications directed at this blog.
909 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:43:03pm |
911 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:45pm |
re: #874 ploome hineni
can my concience tell me not to employ a muslim?
You know what - I don't rightly know that!
I'm thinking it's probably not legal to not hire somebody based solely on their religion. However, most employers can be very creative in finding job-related reasons why a different applicant was a better choice.
912 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:47pm |
re: #890 3 wood
Back during the Clinton years I used to have a tee-shirt with President Reagan's face on it that said "Remember when we had a real President?"
I'm predicting a come back for that shirt.
I'd buy one
913 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:47pm |
re: #882 unclassifiable
But I think it is fair to say, despite it not really being popular anymore, this country really does have her roots in judeo-christian value system.
The founders had enough foresight, via hindsight, to see examples of corruptibility, and did there best to provide against that in the Constitution.
Too many sides try to angle history to fit their own version of the future.
915 | pingjockey Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:45:37pm |
Just got off the phone with a RNC kid. They need to get grownups to man the phones.
916 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:45:51pm |
re: #908 swamprat
I resent any and all racist implications directed at this blog.
Muslim is not a race, therefore I believe I'm in the clear with my bigotry.
917 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:46:31pm |
re: #841 nyc redneck
He got caught under the American legal system and he will get punished under that legal system.
I don't like Aztecs either (if any of them are thinking about making a come back).
I am not denying that assimilation is harder for Muslims given their background. But I will deny that it is impossible.
918 | jelo Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:46:37pm |
So speaking of race relations, Eric....here I'm watching Greta. She is doing her thing about the "missing boaters" of which two are African American and the other a presumably European white American.
In the cameo shots of the "missing boaters", the black dudes look like thugs...pics from the "big house" mug shots and the white dude is smiling like a doped-up surfer dude.
So who else notices this and who set this up? Surely Greta and her producer must know of the "shock and awe" when they flash the cameo's on the screen.
Do the black dudes never smile? Have they never had a picture of them with a smile on their face? Can't find one on file in the vast resources of the digital libraries? What gives? Where's "Rev" (ha) Al?
Then again, what's up with the portrayal of the white dude as "Spiocli"?
I say, ya just can't win in this pc world...
919 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:17pm |
re: #904 SanFranciscoZionist
That, I think, is a reasonable way to handle it...I really don't think that any health practitioner should be forced to do something they find unconscionable, but I worry about women's access to health care, if a health provider has an unassailable right to say 'no' to drugs and procedures they oppose.
No one right now is "stuck" with only one health provider. Right now, people have choices and can go to the providers of their choice, and can change providers if they don't like the one they have.
I'm not so sure this freedom to choose among providers for your own personal healthcare would be available to us if there were substantial changes to our system, say, like, the creation of a national health care system.
920 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:36pm |
re: #895 Jetpilot1101
3 Wood, you are a voice of reason and someone whose comments I enjoy reading to get perspective on what the markets are doing. Keep up the excellent work; the Lizard nation is much better off with your daily advice and insights.
Thank you for the very kind words.
To put it in a nutshell, for about a decade we priced "risk" at almost zero. Now we have gone the other way and priced risk at almost an infinite price. At the same time we have people in charge who only know how to spend money.
Obama is close to ruining his administration and I don't think he realizes it. Wait until the double digit inflation hits and see how his left wing buddies like him then.
921 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:43pm |
re: #903 The Shadow Do
Like Iron Fist, I also have some native bloodlines.
Native Americans also took each other as slaves.
Sioux were pretty vicious as well.
922 | Stonemason Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:44pm |
re: #889 Sosigado
I hear that in some fashion circles it's being referred to as Bolshevik Chic.
My wife, genteel southerner that she is, is still ranting about the sleeveless dress. Called it classless.
Being a guy, I don't really care what she wore, I don't like her because she admitted that she spent most of her life disliking this country, and only became proud to be an American when it suited her.
923 | jaunte Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:57pm |
re: #916 CommonCents
Muslim is not a race, therefore I believe I'm in the clear with my bigotry.
Just reserve your right to make fun of their ideas, and everyone's happy except the ones who want to kill you.
925 | Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:10pm |
re: #891 pink freud
Joseph Cao is the first American born in Vietnam to serve in congress. He's also a Republican which many people probably aren't aware of.
A couple of crazy ministers in Louisiana are attempting a recall vote against Cao because he voted against the "stimulus" bill.
926 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:21pm |
re: #911 reine.de.tout
Title VII prohibits religious discrimination unless the company can prove he is unable to reasonably accommodate the practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business.
If your company has less than 15 employees, Title VII does not apply to you.
927 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:46pm |
re: #901 ArmyWife
I clicked your nic and got your blog, but no contact info? I'll blue mine if you'd like to send me a way to write back. I'm going to do some (more) serious thinking on this.
928 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:59pm |
re: #923 jaunte
Just reserve your right to make fun of their ideas, and everyone's happy except the ones who want to kill you.
The ones that want to kill me would want to kill me whether I made fun of them or not. C'est la vie.
929 | teleskiguy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:04pm |
a puff piece (of shit, 60 minutes has zero credibility). and the whole, uh, creationism being taught in school, might as well be feeding kids acid at sunday school, i'll bet they learn more. save the children!
930 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:20pm |
My husband is home from VA! YAY! But wait...he is shoveling the driveway?
931 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:31pm |
re: #886 taxfreekiller
PPPO
Peter Principle President Obama.
I like Mandy's acronym better:
CBBHO: Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama
932 | Jetpilot1101 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:59pm |
re: #920 3 wood
Thank you for the very kind words.
To put it in a nutshell, for about a decade we priced "risk" at almost zero. Now we have gone the other way and priced risk at almost an infinite price. At the same time we have people in charge who only know how to spend money.
Obama is close to ruining his administration and I don't think he realizes it. Wait until the double digit inflation hits and see how his left wing buddies like him then.
It's bound to happen especially when the printing presses are humming 24/7/365 trying to keep pace with all the pigs running out of DC. I'm hedging my bets with gold and a nice ETF that returns double on oil (DXO). Long term, I think I'll do fine.
933 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:04pm |
re: #897 reine.de.tout
She likes her arms.
Her arms are receiving praise for being so nice and toned.
It's all she's got.
She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.
934 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:12pm |
re: #926 ArmyWife
Title VII prohibits religious discrimination unless the company can prove he is unable to reasonably accommodate the practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business.
If your company has less than 15 employees, Title VII does not apply to you.
thats why libs hate small business. harder to control.
935 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:13pm |
re: #924 Sharmuta
I used to teach classical guitar but I haven't even played in about 10 years. I might try it again but teaching private lessons is a tough way to make a living.
936 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:42pm |
re: #917 unclassifiable
He got caught under the American legal system and he will get punished under that legal system. . . .
Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.
937 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:12pm |
re: #922 Stonemason
We'll she likes it better now there is a conga line.
938 | bellamags Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:32pm |
re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist
She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.
Her husband is ruining the country?
939 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:58pm |
re: #913 formercorpsman
Agreed. There is no Muslim roots in the Constitution and given what ploom has shown with his "57 shithole countries" argument, I would not want any.
But to deny that no Muslim can assimilate into America to me is beyond the pale.
Oh yeah ploome of course is going to deny he said that because you can only quote the word of ploome verbatim lest you offend him.
940 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:59pm |
re: #916 CommonCents
Ok, bigotry then.
Interesting because I was posting to someone else.
941 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:07pm |
re: #932 Jetpilot1101
It's bound to happen especially when the printing presses are humming 24/7/365 trying to keep pace with all the pigs running out of DC. I'm hedging my bets with gold and a nice ETF that returns double on oil (DXO). Long term, I think I'll do fine.
The money supply has increased about 270% in the last 5 months. Investors are sitting on all that cash. When it finally starts getting spent again, prices are going to shoot through the roof.
942 | ArmyWife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:26pm |
re: #927 pink freud
Done. I'm gonna run, you guys have a great night!
943 | ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:34pm |
re: #852 avanti
Man you have some conservative hookers near you. My wife commented that it looks like she shops at Target like she does. That's a casual house dress for DC or Chicago for that matter.
How about cheap hooker dress?
944 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:48pm |
re: #900 pink freud
One last time, avanti. We are NOT doomed as a party. Quit saying it or go play in the echo chamber at Kos. I did not say that I think that voters' perception does or does not shape their real world view, I made a challenge to YOUR statement that perception is reality. IT IS NOT.
I'd say the Republicans are in shambles now. But, based on the Democrats performance so far, I would say our time in the wilderness will be short lived. The USA is cyclical and it's the Dems chance now. They cannot blame the Republicans this time around, they will fail or succeed on their own merits. I am guessing FAILURE on a grand scale.
945 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:49pm |
re: #838 Killgore Trout
I could make some dickish remarks about poll abstinence, but I won't. Sure as shit wouldn't help.
Best of luck to ya, brother.
946 | Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:52pm |
re: #935 Killgore Trout
Just a thought as to a little side income, Dear.
948 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:53:44pm |
re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist
She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.
I don't think she's at all insecure. I just think she (or perhaps the photographer) plays up what she thinks are her best features, when she goes in for these photos.
949 | The Shadow Do Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:03pm |
re: #921 formercorpsman
Like Iron Fist, I also have some native bloodlines.
Native Americans also took each other as slaves.
Sioux were pretty vicious as well.
Here is a hair raising read.
950 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:05pm |
re: #936 reine.de.tout
Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.
951 | karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:18pm |
BTW -
For those following the "George Will is either a liar or an amateur" bag of accusations, and interesting statement was made by Dr. Walt Meier who heads the NSIDC monitoring program (the folks who provide the satellite ice data and whose sensors had problems).
Dr. Meier came up with a clever way to respond to a direct question about the accuracy of Will's assertion about sea ice levels being the same as 1979. Meier was asked at Anthony Watt's blog and responded -
Walt Meier (16:04:59)
1. He (George Will) was factually incorrect on the date that he reported his “daily global ice” number. However, he was merely out-of-date with his facts (it was true on Jan 1, but wasn’t 6 weeks later).
That is a pretty God awful quibble, considering the abuse Will has been subjected too. When it comes down to it, Will was largely correct in the assertion. Claiming that we have to conclude that Will was incorrect because the numbers weren't the same on the day of publication is as lame as it is misleading.
952 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:20pm |
re: #916 CommonCents
Muslim is not a race, therefore I believe I'm in the clear with my bigotry.
How do you feel towards muslims. Please be specific.
953 | SteveC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:23pm |
re: #919 reine.de.tout
No one right now is "stuck" with only one health provider. Right now, people have choices and can go to the providers of their choice, and can change providers if they don't like the one they have.
I'm not so sure this freedom to choose among providers for your own personal healthcare would be available to us if there were substantial changes to our system, say, like, the creation of a national health care system.
Hey, nationalizing the economy is working so well, let's nationalize the health care system! It'd be cool, don't ya think?
*Warning, Maximum amount of sarcasm exceeded.*
Our health care system currently has three attributes: 1) You can get Quality Care; 2) You can get care fast; and 3) You can get care with little difficulty.
Under a nationalized system, you can have two of the three.
954 | sattv4u2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:33pm |
Anyone else getting tossed back to the front page when they hit reply or quote? It was happening a few nights ago, and looks like the beast is back!
Any solutions?
955 | Jetpilot1101 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:44pm |
re: #941 3 wood
The money supply has increased about 270% in the last 5 months. Investors are sitting on all that cash. When it finally starts getting spent again, prices are going to shoot through the roof.
Unfortunately, you are correct. Obama may thin he has this under control but double digit inflation coupled with double digit unemployment will not bode well for him or the democrats. I used to think the market would bottom at 5000 or so but now I'm not so sure.
957 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:58pm |
re: #903 The Shadow Do
I believe the challenge, by Sharmuta, was to provide a definition. When one is elected as an R but votes as a D then one may fairly be categorized as a RINO, no? Perhaps another word would be more acceptable, moderate R? maverick?
SFZ, the Indian wars were particularly nasty but you should be aware that it was brutal warfare on both sides fed by generations of conflict. This is not to excuse any excesses, it just was so and terribly regrettable. Indian atrocities are never explored nor accepted in conversation any more than candid discussions of our current enemies.
Oh dear. ;)
My degree is in history, I could keep you up all night with massacres, although U.S. history is not really my area.
I was being, apparently not clearly enough, sarcastic.
958 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:08pm |
re: #900 pink freud
One last time, avanti. We are NOT doomed as a party. Quit saying it or go play in the echo chamber at Kos. I did not say that I think that voters' perception does or does not shape their real world view, I made a challenge to YOUR statement that perception is reality. IT IS NOT.
OK. we must be talking in different tongues. I have never said the GOP IS doomed, but it could be. Certainly, reality and perception are different but they can have the same result. Let's use Sarah Palin, the perception on the left was that she was a clueless idiot, when in fact, that was not the reality, but when it came to voters, they accepted the perception as real. Are we on the same page yet ?
959 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:25pm |
re: #891 pink freud
I dream about throwing my hat in against Senator Mary Landrieu. Not starting small with the school board or city council or even a state senator or representative. I think about going straight to the top. Then I think, "Hell, I have zero experience in politics." THEN I think, "Who would vote for me, a nobody?" THEN I think, "Good grief, they all must be as sick of the good-old-boy politicians as I am!" ......THEN I think, "Do I even want to tangle with that nest of vipers!?" .......and then, I think YES. 7-8 times out of ten, I think YES, I DO.
This is, after all, Louisiana politics. Look at Huey Long. Look at William Cao. He is a big inspiration to me. (He is the come-from-nowhere REPUBLICAN who took William Jefferson's U.S. House of Representatives DEMOCRAT seat in New Orleans. I am so proud of that man.)
GO FOR IT!
960 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:28pm |
re: #888 Iron Fist
Nope, actually I feel more comfortable than even it was the right choice. Most of the economic troubles would still be happening regardless of who is in office. This is all pretty much the inevitable fall out of events that have already happened. McCain claimed that he "didn't understand economics" and Palin is dumber than a bag of hammers. Despite McCain hollow promise to keep the Bush tax cuts there was no way he was going to keep them. He voted against them twice and never saw a tax hike he didn't like.
The Republicans have yet to offer a real world alternative to the bailouts (which Bush started) because they don't have an alternative plan. I'm so disgusted with Republican politics and politicians that I probably won't be voting for them in the future.
962 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:56:06pm |
re: #935 Killgore Trout
I used to teach classical guitar but I haven't even played in about 10 years. I might try it again but teaching private lessons is a tough way to make a living.
Do what you can to make a buck here and there just to keep from climbing the walls. When I was retired full time for a couple months in the fall, the best thing I did was pick up some odd jobs here and there to keep me busy until a full time gig worked out.
You can only sweep out the garage so many times before you go nuts.
963 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:56:09pm |
re: #917 unclassifiable
He got caught under the American legal system and he will get punished under that legal system.
I don't like Aztecs either (if any of them are thinking about making a come back).
I am not denying that assimilation is harder for Muslims given their background. But I will deny that it is impossible.
it is their responsibility to come here and assimilate like all other immigrants have.
they are not doing it. islam means they can not.
and becoming an apostate leads to honor killings for the women,
for reasons like wearing lipstick or not wanting to marry a 50 yr. old male cousin if your 16.
( the aztec reference is moot.)
966 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:57:09pm |
Oops...I'll try this again...
re: #936 reine.de.tout
Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.
Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?
967 | karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:57:10pm |
re: #962 3 wood
Do what you can to make a buck here and there just to keep from climbing the walls. When I was retired full time for a couple months in the fall, the best thing I did was pick up some odd jobs here and there to keep me busy until a full time gig worked out.
You can only sweep out the garage so many times before you go nuts.
Retirement sucks. Tried it.
968 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:57:46pm |
re: #939 unclassifiable
I think ploome is actually a female, but I digress.
I for one, think muslims can assimilate. I for one, also think there is an extremely nefarious strategy behind some of this immigration, and especially the funding attached to it.
In my opinion, it is a death/1000/paper cuts scenario.
Whether we like it or not, Europe is providing the textbook example of what current western civilization is doing as it relates to assimilation, let alone, responding to the outright criminal nature with too much of the element.
Too many countries now have bona fide no-go zones. De facto waqf.
969 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:08pm |
re: #955 Jetpilot1101
I think the market will bottom at 6,000, but it's not going to rebound very fast with a Marxist in the White House.
970 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:16pm |
re: #940 swamprat
Ok, bigotry then.
Interesting because I was posting to someone else.
I know. Just thought I would toss that grenade out there and see what happens. Mixin' it up a little.
971 | sattv4u2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:28pm |
re: #958 avanti
Let's use Sarah Palin, the perception on the left was that she was a clueless idiot, when in fact, that was not the reality, but when it came to voters, they accepted the perception as real.
INCORRECT. The perception of LEFT LEANING voters was that she was a clueless idiot. They weren't going to "vote for her" no matter what. Factually, she energized the conservatives who were at best luke warm about McCain!
972 | mich-again Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:58pm |
re: #960 Killgore Trout
Most of the economic troubles would still be happening regardless of who is in office. This is all pretty much the inevitable fall out of events that have already happened.
Hard to disagree with that.
973 | Jetpilot1101 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:11pm |
re: #969 3 wood
I think the market will bottom at 6,000, but it's not going to rebound very fast with a Marxist in the White House.
I hope you are right. It's time for bed, have to fly tomorrow morning. Have a great night Lizards!
974 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:13pm |
re: #943 ciaospirit
How about cheap hooker dress?
Well, you guys are getting nearly as bitter as the moonbats on the left.
975 | SteveC Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:23pm |
re: #941 3 wood
The money supply has increased about 270% in the last 5 months. Investors are sitting on all that cash. When it finally starts getting spent again, prices are going to shoot through the roof.
If I was a classless moron, I'd say "Oh Frak!" But I have a little class, so I'll say "Pardon my French, but Oooooooooooh FRAK!"
976 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:37pm |
re: #967 karmic_inquisitor
Retirement sucks. Tried it.
Yep.
And now Obama has pretty much made retirement a financial impossibility for most people anyway.
977 | hazzyday Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:39pm |
re: #944 Desert Dog
I'd say the Republicans are in shambles now. But, based on the Democrats performance so far, I would say our time in the wilderness will be short lived. The USA is cyclical and it's the Dems chance now. They cannot blame the Republicans this time around, they will fail or succeed on their own merits. I am guessing FAILURE on a grand scale.
The Republicans do need to reform a bit. Being in a shambles is ok. If they reform same O same O, they will lose again. There was a shift of voters into OBama ranks. They won't come back unless Pres Obama screws up. Stock Market and 401 k's could be making a lot of them think. It's not socon's that influenced the last election, or Reagean supporters. It's moderates who cast their lot in with the democrats.
978 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:47pm |
re: #958 avanti
OK. we must be talking in different tongues. I have never said the GOP IS doomed, but it could be. Certainly, reality and perception are different but they can have the same result. Let's use Sarah Palin, the perception on the left was that she was a clueless idiot, when in fact, that was not the reality, but when it came to voters, they accepted the perception as real. Are we on the same page yet ?
crusade.
981 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:00:49pm |
re: #966 cronus
Oops...I'll try this again...
Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?
Yes, there are.
But if you are trying to argue that "honor killings" are "just like" any other kind of crimes or violence against women, you are very very wrong.
983 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:15pm |
re: #968 formercorpsman
I agree with you. I think we need a zero tolerance policy for accommodations. No public support of any special facilities. No time considerations for prayer. If you can make it work because you want to practice your faith and your willing to do so while living under the rules of a secular democracy than super.
985 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:52pm |
re: #952 swamprat
How do you feel towards muslims. Please be specific.
Given certain aspects of the Koran and Hadiths, I believe it to be a violent religion. I don't believe that Muhammad received 'visits' from Gabriel. I disapprove of muslims claim to Jerusalem and the golden dome.
If someone says to me, "I'm a muslim" because they came from a muslim country but don't find it to be their religous duty to kill Jews, Christians, or even Atheists that refuse to convert to Islam, then I'm cool with that.
986 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:53pm |
re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist
She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.
bitterness and anger from 20 yrs, at rev. wright's hate church, and the bitter disposition that would attract her to it in the first place.
affirmative action to get into college. only jobs. from o's political connections.
i don't know how insecure she is but the chip on her shoulder indicates her anger and defensive nature.
987 | FloridaAnole Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:02:03pm |
re: #668 avanti
There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.
You mean where Obama goes out of his way to surround himself with white folks every time he gets up on a stage to engage in his oratory?
988 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:02:08pm |
989 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:02:38pm |
The right wing, as racist, is so 1954. And yet people decry the infamous "neo-cons".
'Tis true, 'tis a pity. A pity, 'tis true.
990 | formercorpsman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:03:05pm |
re: #978 formercorpsman
Avanti, you are making the straw-man argument.
The media had her pegged from the start. This is what drives me insane about people on the left. She had a bad interview, no doubt.
Where the hell does anyone one the left get off, determine her as the inappropriate candidate for the republican ticket.
Just once, apply the rules to your rocket scientists in the democrat party, and lets see how they stand up.
You act as if there is a level playing field, and the media is not biased.
991 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:03:33pm |
re: #985 CommonCents
Given certain aspects of the Koran and Hadiths, I believe it to be a violent religion. I don't believe that Muhammad received 'visits' from Gabriel. I disapprove of muslims claim to Jerusalem and the golden dome.
If someone says to me, "I'm a muslim" because they came from a muslim country but don't find it to be their religous duty to kill Jews, Christians, or even Atheists that refuse to convert to Islam, then I'm cool with that.
Furthermore, that claim that Islam means peace and that it spread so innocently across the Middle East, North Africa, and into southern Europe because it was just so inclusive and cosmopolitan is hogwash. It was spread by the sword, and is still being spread by the sword all over the world.
992 | Tarkus289 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:06pm |
Just for the record, the democrats were in shambles after the '04 election, and they turned it around by '06.
994 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:17pm |
re: #919 reine.de.tout
No one right now is "stuck" with only one health provider. Right now, people have choices and can go to the providers of their choice, and can change providers if they don't like the one they have.
I'm not so sure this freedom to choose among providers for your own personal healthcare would be available to us if there were substantial changes to our system, say, like, the creation of a national health care system.
If they have access--aren't in a remote area--if they have health coverage--if their health plan offers a choice. All of that has been of concern in figuring out how to handle issues like this.
No democracy with a national health care plan, that I am aware of, insists that you use it. People are free to go with private programs and practices. Dunno. I used Britain's NHP for a year, and it was fine. I keep hearing these horror stories, but it was perfectly fine.
995 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:28pm |
re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist
She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.
Affirmative Action.
997 | Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:05:12pm |
re: #971 sattv4u2
Sarah Palin was introduced to the country (by the MSM) as "Clueless Idiot Sarah Palin".
The fact that people considered her a clueless idiot because they listened to Tina Fey and Joy Behar says more about the audience than it does about the Governor.
People see "pretty", they think "dumb". Add in the hatchet job from CNN, NYT, etc. and that Alaskan broad held up pretty well, if you ask me.
998 | Colonel Panik Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:05:38pm |
re: #757 LemonJoose
So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?
No he's only borderline RINO. More of a hippo.
I think the RINO thing is not based on social or economic conservatism per se, but more a subjective judgement on how far that republican politician is willing to compromise or side with democrats across a range of issues.
I many felt Rudy Giuliani was a RINO because of his support of gun control, although he was clearly not a RINO on the WOT.
Mike Huckabee is very so-con,but many condemned him as a RINO for his pardoning of a particularly nasty murderer.
But I would have to say the epitome of RINO is Arnold Schwarzennegger. Sides with the dems on gun control, "climate change" and was unwilling to take the battle to the public employees unions that are bleeding California to death.
1000 | sattv4u2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:06:44pm |
re: #992 Tarkus289
No they weren't. They gained seats in both the house and senate and lost the White House by just 3 million votes,,, just 2.5 percentage points!
1001 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:06:46pm |
re: #966 cronus
Oops...I'll try this again...
Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?
From the article at the link:
Unni Wikan, a social anthropologist and professor at the University of Oslo, defines honor killing as "a murder carried out as a commission from the extended family, to restore honor after the family has been dishonored. As a rule, the basic cause is a rumor that any female family member has behaved in an immoral way."[14] While honor killings are just a minority of total domestic violence in the United States and Canada, they constitute a distinct phenomenon. (See Table 1.) A 2008 Massachusetts-based study found that "although immigrants make up an estimated 14 percent of the state's population, [they, nevertheless,] accounted for 26 percent of the 180 domestic violence deaths from 1997-2006."[15]Lenore Walker, author of The Battered Woman Syndrome,[16] agreed that fundamentalist immigrants control and patrol their women very closely. "Given the strict rules, there are a lot of things to kill them for," she said. Walker confirmed the difference between the victim-perpetrator in honor killings and ordinary domestic violence:
In ordinary domestic violence involving Westerners, it is rare for brothers to kill sisters or for male cousins to kill female cousins. And while child abuse occurs in which fathers may kill infants and children, it is very rare for Western fathers to kill teenage daughters.[17]
Other discrepancies exist. Walker observed that Western men are more apt to kill little boys than girls in their family. "Women with postpartum depression kill their babies, and men may kill babies by shaken baby syndrome," she explained. She did not "know of any batterers who are helped to commit the murders by their brothers or cousins or other family members. Occasionally, the man's relatives may be in the house when the murder goes down, but that is quite rare in my experience."[18]
"Honor killings" are very very different from "regular" domestic abuse cases.
1002 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:07:31pm |
re: #959 reine.de.tout
GO FOR IT!
You've met me ....I was hoping to get some sort of opinion from you. Thank you, very much, Reine. That means a lot coming from you. :-)
1003 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:07:39pm |
re: #936 reine.de.tout
Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.
Is there a higher percentage of murders of wives and children in Muslim homes than the U.S. average? Honestly curious here. I've heard a million and one stories about men who kill their wives and girlfriends. Aside from the admittedly horrific beheading detail, does anything make this man morally different from an American-grown shithead from a Protestant background?
1004 | sattv4u2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:07:57pm |
re: #997 Lincolntf
Sarah Palin was introduced to the country (by the MSM) as "Clueless Idiot Sarah Palin".
The fact that people considered her a clueless idiot because they listened to Tina Fey and Joy Behar says more about the audience than it does about the Governor.
People see "pretty", they think "dumb". Add in the hatchet job from CNN, NYT, etc. and that Alaskan broad held up pretty well, if you ask me.
My point to Avanti is that the people that thought her as clueless weren't going to vote fopr her anyway. She brought lots of votes TO Mccain that he wouldn't have gotten otherwise
1005 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:03pm |
re: #997 Lincolntf
Sarah Palin was introduced to the country (by the MSM) as "Clueless Idiot Sarah Palin".
The fact that people considered her a clueless idiot because they listened to Tina Fey and Joy Behar says more about the audience than it does about the Governor.
People see "pretty", they think "dumb". Add in the hatchet job from CNN, NYT, etc. and that Alaskan broad held up pretty well, if you ask me.
I was getting ready to upding your comment until that one word flared into my field of vision. Who are you, Frank Sinatra? Call me old-fashioned on this.
1006 | Tarkus289 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:17pm |
I once had a somewhat civil argument with a muslim guy, he was trying to tell me that jihad meant personal struggle. I told him it meant violent aggression, we went back and forth for a little while, then he said but I am a muslim, I know what it means, to which I responded I am a New Yorker, I know what it means. The argument end right about then.
1007 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:19pm |
re: #993 ploome hineni
she is huge from the waist down..small on top....very full behind and thighs
she has an awful walk...and looks terrible in the dresses she chooses
Yep.
Which is probably why she keeps wearing sleeveless dresses, hoping people will notice her lovely oh-so-toned arms, rather than the rest of it
1008 | cronus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:58pm |
re: #981 reine.de.tout
Yes, there are.
But if you are trying to argue that "honor killings" are "just like" any other kind of crimes or violence against women, you are very very wrong.
I know they are not the same. It is barbaric practice. But some in this thread are arguing for a wholesale ban on immigration based solely on religion and painting every muslim in america with the same brush as this monster. It's as if there has not been one single muslim who has assimilated into American culture. See what I said in #998. I'm for no special accommodations. Just not for a purely religious litmus test.
1010 | sattv4u2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:08pm |
re: #1005 Silvergirl
I was getting ready to upding your comment until that one word flared into my field of vision. Who are you, Frank Sinatra? Call me old-fashioned on this.
Okay ,,,"You're old-fashioned on this"
(now don't call me Shirley)
1011 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:13pm |
re: #972 mich-again
I also think that if the Republicans had the White House and/or congress we'd still be seeing massive bailout spending. They have the luxury now of complaining because they don't have the burden of power. They'd be doing pretty much the exact same thing.
1012 | Adrenalyn Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:23pm |
is Jindal retarded ?
I mean, come on....
this is the network that forged doc's about Bush being AWOL
for cripe sake
any Republican that goes on there loses almost all respect from me
except Sarah Palin, even though that was an ambush interview Katie did
but I blame McCain for getting her on that
how many examples do these dumb fuck Republicans need before they stay away from CBS ?
1013 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:33pm |
If you think Sarah Palin is moron and/or a religious nut; so be it.
But you will have to concede that she is a very efficient, effective moron and/or religious nut.
1014 | Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:52pm |
re: #988 reine.de.tout
In a heartbeat!
LOL
I was afraid nobody would recognize the resemblance. Only difference is in the tan.
:=)
1015 | 3 wood Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:53pm |
One more comment before I go to sleep.
The economic downturn could have been significantly curtailed if:
1. The President had not been talking "catastrophe" for the past 6 weeks.
2. A Treasury Secretary who knew what he was doing had been appointed.
3. The Bush tax cuts had been extended.
4. Capital gains tax cuts had been proposed.
5. The deficit had not skyrocketed in the past few weeks. Obama's deficits already tower over the Bush deficits.
6. More tax and spend policies are coming down the pike.
Obama and the Democrats now own this economy.
The buyers remorse for Obama supporters is just starting. You got what you wanted.
Good night.
1016 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:02pm |
re: #1003 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a higher percentage of murders of wives and children in Muslim homes than the U.S. average? Honestly curious here. I've heard a million and one stories about men who kill their wives and girlfriends. Aside from the admittedly horrific beheading detail, does anything make this man morally different from an American-grown shithead from a Protestant background?
One murder is not morally different from another, I wouldn't think.
It's the mind-set behind it - the fact that the entire family is involved, rather than the usual hidden violence. If you're really interested, read this.
1017 | freetoken Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:39pm |
re: #1011 Killgore Trout
Agree 100%. The track record of the GOP (both GWB and Congress) before Pres. Obama was sworn in testifies to your claim.
1018 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:48pm |
re: #963 nyc redneck
it is their responsibility to come here and assimilate like all other immigrants have.
they are not doing it. islam means they can not.
and becoming an apostate leads to honor killings for the women,
for reasons like wearing lipstick or not wanting to marry a 50 yr. old male cousin if your 16.
( the aztec reference is moot.)
On what basis do you determine they're not doing it? I taught for a while in a town with a lot of Muslim families from Afghanistan. They were, well, like immigrant families from everywhere. Other immigrant groups have crime problems, or violence over issues of assimilation, but none of them are being held up as hopeless here.
1019 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:49pm |
re: #968 formercorpsman
I think ploome is actually a female, but I digress.
I for one, think muslims can assimilate. I for one, also think there is an extremely nefarious strategy behind some of this immigration, and especially the funding attached to it.
In my opinion, it is a death/1000/paper cuts scenario.
Whether we like it or not, Europe is providing the textbook example of what current western civilization is doing as it relates to assimilation, let alone, responding to the outright criminal nature with too much of the element.
Too many countries now have bona fide no-go zones. De facto waqf.
I would say that the USA is different that Europe when it comes to assimilation. We have been quite good at taking in people from all over the world and make our society work. I think Europe is so concerned about political correctness that they are willing to flush their own culture and heritage down the drain. We have a bit of that going on here in the USA as well too.
In the 1840's-50's it was the Irish....backwards, CATHOLIC, non-English speakers that would NEVER FIT IN....but they did. Then, it was Southern and Eastern Europeans....same thing...they will NEVER FIT IN....but, they did too. Now it's Latin America (especially Mexican) and Asians that are coming in. Some think they will NEVER FIT IN.....but, guess what, they will. Muslim immigrants from many lands should fit in here as well. Each wave of immigration gives us a some of their culture....language, food, customs, etc. And, the USA gives them our political heritage. A nice trade, if you ask me. My only worry is we will become like Europe and forget our own unique experience.
Signed a German/Dutch/Irish/Norwegian/French/English American (married to a Filipina)
1020 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:52pm |
re: #1002 pink freud
You've met me ....I was hoping to get some sort of opinion from you. Thank you, very much, Reine. That means a lot coming from you. :-)
:-)
And call me if you need help.
1022 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:17pm |
Hey KT, think about starting a bogus religion.
You could be a Luthieran minister
/
1023 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:37pm |
re: #1015 3 wood
I'll definitely agree with #3, and #4. Obama's tax talk last week is certainly not helping the market.
1024 | Stonemason Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:46pm |
re: #993 ploome hineni
she is huge from the waist down..small on top....very full behind and thighs
she has an awful walk...and looks terrible in the dresses she chooses
I almost dinged you for that, almost negative and almost positive.
Her looks, and how she dresses may be of interest, and, may even speak to her mental state, but it is her statements and her actions we need to follow, to judge her on.
(not an indictment of you Ploome)
1025 | MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:12:15pm |
re: #966 cronus
Oops...I'll try this again...
Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?
Oh, for fuck's sake. I hope you're being provocative on purpose. If not, CATCH A FUCKING CLUE, MAGOO.
1026 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:12:45pm |
re: #1022 OldLineTexan
I've always kinda wanted a David Koresh type gig. In the 90's I sorta looked like him too.
1027 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:12:54pm |
re: #1023 Killgore Trout
I'll definitely agree with #3, and #4. Obama's tax talk last week is certainly not helping the market.
You don't agree that his constant "crisis" / "catastrophe" ramblings had a negative impact?
1028 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:12pm |
1029 | freetoken Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:18pm |
re: #1015 3 wood
The economic downturn could have been significantly curtailed if: [...]
You're going to keep telling yourself the same things over and over, but no one can play a "what if" game and truly know what the alternatives would be.
The only thing I agree with you on is that the new Sec. of Treasury has not been building confidence.
1030 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:20pm |
re: #958 avanti
No, we aren't on the same page. You remind me too much of other liberals I know. Your posts seem to always be dancing, tiptoeing, trying to couch your position/point is relativistic speak. Pick a side, stand on it, quit trying to walk that middle ground. That's no longer a luxury.
1032 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:14:27pm |
re: #1004 sattv4u2
My point to Avanti is that the people that thought her as clueless weren't going to vote fopr her anyway. She brought lots of votes TO Mccain that he wouldn't have gotten otherwise
I guess I'd have to agree, she rallied the base, but sealed the loss of moderates. I honestly don't know if she won more votes for the base then she lost from the middle. In my case, I would have voted for the "old McCain" before he embraced the religious right, but the base would not have.
1033 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:14:32pm |
re: #1026 Killgore Trout
I've always kinda wanted a David Koresh type gig. In the 90's I sorta looked like him too.
If you become a cult leader, you could be your own boss too.....I call dibs on your KoolAid contracts
1034 | Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:14:33pm |
re: #1027 CommonCents
I think the impact was pretty minimal. The traders know whether or not there's a crisis, they don't need the president to tell them. Most of the traders probably know more of what's really going on than Obama anyways.
1035 | Stonemason Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:15:21pm |
re: #994 SanFranciscoZionist
If they have access--aren't in a remote area--if they have health coverage--if their health plan offers a choice. All of that has been of concern in figuring out how to handle issues like this.
We all have access, every human in this country, legal or illegal. That is a bogus argument.
Remote areas have health care, and if access to health care is an issue, and the available is too far away, move.
I am tired of people buying into the crap about rural people being stuck, urban people being stuck, no one is truly stuck in any situation, this is not 1960 USSR, this is the United States of America, the greatest, freest nation on the freakin planet.
1038 | CommonCents Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:16:40pm |
re: #1034 Killgore Trout
I think the impact was pretty minimal. The traders know whether or not there's a crisis, they don't need the president to tell them. Most of the traders probably know more of what's really going on than Obama anyways.
There are more folks out there with trading accounts that have no clue than you may think. I work at bank (in I.T.) and am astounded at the lack of knowledge in finances that is walking around there. People hear BHO talk, they don't always here the smart people.
1039 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:11pm |
re: #1026 Killgore Trout
I've always kinda wanted a David Koresh type gig. In the 90's I sorta looked like him too.
Just let word get out that you're stockpiling automatic cellos and intent on violins.
I'll spare you the other bits of his "fame".
/
1040 | Wm T Sherman Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:22pm |
I have no interest in this guy, beyond making sure that he is not nominated in 2012. I'd like a conservative to win.
1041 | mich-again Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:41pm |
re: #1011 Killgore Trout
They have the luxury now of complaining because they don't have the burden of power. They'd be doing pretty much the exact same thing.
Yes they would. But I would rather they got off the high-unicorn and back to the real world to at least make an attempt to stop the runaway train. Sitting back and playing dead isn't what leaders do.
1042 | reine.de.tout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:47pm |
re: #1037 pink freud
NYC Redneck: Thank you. For all of them.
I sometimes think NYC Redneck is in my head.
1043 | Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:18:40pm |
re: #993 ploome hineni
she is huge from the waist down..small on top....very full behind and thighs
she has an awful walk...and looks terrible in the dresses she chooses
She needs to think in terms of tailored shirtwaists and pleated skirts. She's not unattractive. But she's dressing like she's Twiggy, and that she is not!
1044 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:19:11pm |
1045 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:19:18pm |
re: #1042 reine.de.tout
I sometimes think NYC Redneck is in my head.
Me too. I love her posts. She strips it right down to the plain-spoken truth.
1047 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:20:51pm |
1048 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:21:10pm |
In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?
1049 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:21:30pm |
re: #1018 SanFranciscoZionist
On what basis do you determine they're not doing it? I taught for a while in a town with a lot of Muslim families from Afghanistan. They were, well, like immigrant families from everywhere. Other immigrant groups have crime problems, or violence over issues of assimilation, but none of them are being held up as hopeless here.
lots of examples of agitation, crime and trouble inspired by islam and where are the moderates speaking out abt. it?
look around the world where moslems settle, nothing but discord and aggression.
if they truly are peaceful they are apostates.
1050 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:10pm |
re: #1030 pink freud
No, we aren't on the same page. You remind me too much of other liberals I know. Your posts seem to always be dancing, tiptoeing, trying to couch your position/point is relativistic speak. Pick a side, stand on it, quit trying to walk that middle ground. That's no longer a luxury.
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.
1051 | Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:19pm |
re: #1019 Desert Dog
I would say that the USA is different that Europe when it comes to assimilation.
One of the differences is size. You can drive across most, if not all, EU countries in the time it takes to drive the length of Florida. I think that has an effect on how people settle and assimilate.
I do however have reservations about Muslims ever assimilating for the simple reason that their religion has too many conflicts with our constitutional principles. The Koran will always come first.
That doesn't have to be a problem if the numbers are relatively small, but if they start to feel they have enough sway they will start to demand special rights, just as they do in Europe.
1052 | Aviator Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:40pm |
re: #994 SanFranciscoZionist
I
No democracy with a national health care plan, that I am aware of, insists that you use it. People are free to go with private programs and practices. Dunno. I used Britain's NHP for a year, and it was fine. I keep hearing these horror stories, but it was perfectly fine.
Uh, actually the British system did for many years. Canadians come to the US if they can pay cash, they have no option in Canada.
1053 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:46pm |
re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat
In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?
It depends.
Are you a turtle?
1054 | Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:23:17pm |
re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat
In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?
No. I'm writing and popping in when my brain threatens to seize.
1055 | Randall Gross Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:02pm |
I see we are just gonna ramble on
1056 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:17pm |
1057 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:28pm |
re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Plenty.
I ended up on ploome's shit list but the upside was that I was given one button to annoy the shit out of her (maybe 2).
BTW she/he can tell what religion you are and your first name just by what you write here.
1059 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:04pm |
re: #1045 Bloodnok
Me too. I love her posts. She strips it right down to the plain-spoken truth.
i like your posts too.
1060 | VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:23pm |
re: #939 unclassifiable
Agreed. There is no Muslim roots in the Constitution and given what ploom has shown with his "57 shithole countries" argument, I would not want any.
But to deny that no Muslim can assimilate into America to me is beyond the pale.
Oh yeah ploome of course is going to deny he said that because you can only quote the word of ploome verbatim lest you offend him.
Of course Muslims can assimilate into America. From Websters, the definiton of assimilate:
2 a: to make similar b: to alter by assimilation c: to absorb into the culture or mores of a population or group
My grandparents came to America from Italy and assimilated. They loved America, became proud citizens and productive members of society. They kept their culture in terms of food, religion, love of family, traditions, but they did not try to change or alter the society here--they adapted to it and did so proudly.
By this definition, any group can assimilate. However, if that group's intention is to change the society or create a series of laws or rules outside of that society, they are not assimilating.
1061 | Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:34pm |
1062 | avanti Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:58pm |
1063 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:12pm |
re: #1053 OldLineTexan
It depends.
Are you a turtle?
Couldn't you ask me if I'm something which makes a sound?
At least I could do an imitation.
1064 | Sosigado Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:15pm |
re: #1050 avanti
If you think what the left is doing right now is "moving us forward" you really are a hopeless case.
1065 | Stonemason Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:20pm |
re: #1050 avanti
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.
well, to me that means that liberals live in the moment, there is no right or wrong other than what is decided at that particular point in time. That attitude has failed, over and over.
Conservatives do change, when change is merited, the change is well thought out, not adjusting to the word changing (wind blowing), conservatives recognize a problem, attack it, fix it, move on, if it requires change we change.
1067 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:35pm |
re: #1051 Naso Tang
One of the differences is size. You can drive across most, if not all, EU countries in the time it takes to drive the length of Florida. I think that has an effect on how people settle and assimilate.
I do however have reservations about Muslims ever assimilating for the simple reason that their religion has too many conflicts with our constitutional principles. The Koran will always come first.
That doesn't have to be a problem if the numbers are relatively small, but if they start to feel they have enough sway they will start to demand special rights, just as they do in Europe.
Another is race.....If you are from Tunisia and move to France, you can become a French citizen, but you cannot become French. Same for the Dutch, the Germans, the English, Swedish, etc, etc.....Move here, you can become an American....that is a difference. In most of European societies, the immigrants are marginalized and not allowed to fully integrate. The tend to cluster together and are slow to give up their own culture, language, etc. The USA had the same problem, but I think we have moved past that now. We can assimilate Muslims. Can Europe? Not so sure about that.....
1068 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:59pm |
re: #575 reine.de.tout
glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.
I have been looking for the original post, but can't find it. This one was written by a collaborative effort; I believe I gave the first lines, and then other lizards followed. I compiled and completed the result.
It was Sympathy for Obama
There is also my Lovecraft imitation, but horror isn't exactly suitable for a cookbook.
I'll try to remember more.
1069 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:27:29pm |
re: #1057 unclassifiable
Plenty.
I ended up on ploome's shit list but the upside was that I was given one button to annoy the shit out of her (maybe 2).
BTW she/he can tell what religion you are and your first name just by what you write here.
Sounds like we ARE having fun.
1070 | Silvergirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:27:49pm |
re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat
In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?
In no particular order, we're talking about Muslims, we're trying to figure out who to run in 2012, we're talking about Michelle's style, RINOs, the economy (of course), and having fun all the way, yes.
1071 | Lynn B. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:00pm |
re: #341 Syrah
His is one of the few shows that make me almost want to get a TV.
I can only imagine the conniption fits he must be having on a nightly basis now.
Cramer has completely let loose on Obama and his politburo (his word).
It's interesting that the same network that brings us KO is giving Cramer and Santelli room to run on this. CNBC and The Weather Channel are just about the only "news" outlets I watch on TV any more. Worth the cable bill? Maybe.
1073 | OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:22pm |
re: #1063 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Couldn't you ask me if I'm something which makes a sound?
At least I could do an imitation.
Sorry, bub, I just work the door.
/pssst ... the answer to that question is "You bet your sweet ass I am!"
Welcome, Brother Turtle! Come on in!
1074 | FloridaAnole Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:54pm |
re: #954 sattv4u2
It's happened to me three times already. I was beginning to wonder if I wasn't typing verboten phrases, or something.
1075 | karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:56pm |
One thing that the world should take away from the financial crisis: stratified industrial economies need lending in order to function.
Which is one more reason why entertaining accommodation of Sharia in Western jurisprudence is utterly insane - lending money is haram under Sharia. You can't borrow. You can't lend.
1076 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:29:05pm |
re: #1050 avanti
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.
conservatives have good decent basic principles that have nothing to do w/ politics.
liberals will do anything for power or free stuff.
and they aren't very good dancers.
1077 | Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:29:21pm |
re: #1070 Silvergirl
In no particular order, we're talking about Muslims, we're trying to figure out who to run in 2012, we're talking about Michelle's style, RINOs, the economy (of course), and having fun all the way, yes.
I'd love to add something evolutionarily controversial, but it is past my bedtime.
Goodnight.
1078 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:29:30pm |
re: #1054 Dianna
No. I'm writing and popping in when my brain threatens to seize.
That wasn't e4xactily coherent, mybe yur bran's alrdy strtin to seeez
*THUD*
/mine too
1080 | twincitiesgirl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:31:19pm |
Morely, it's time to retire, your eyes look worse than a 12 year old beagle's.
1083 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:34:18pm |
That's the third time I've tried to "quote" a comment and gotten bumped out to the front page. I'm moving over to the new thread.
1084 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:34:37pm |
re: #964 Killgore Trout
Point. And +1. I still voted, though, futile as that may seem to some.
1086 | JohnAdams Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:36:09pm |
re: #1071 Lynn B.
Cramer has completely let loose on Obama and his politburo (his word).
It's interesting that the same network that brings us KO is giving Cramer and Santelli room to run on this. CNBC and The Weather Channel are just about the only "news" outlets I watch on TV any more. Worth the cable bill? Maybe.
{weather channel}
accepting and dealing with reality.
1087 | unclassifiable Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:36:19pm |
re: #1060 VioletTiger
I agree VT but you gotta know that despite whether there is intent or not the culture does change.
I still believe in a brand of American exceptionalism that thinks Muslims will assimilate here eventually despite what has gone on in Europe.
Maybe I am delusional in that way.
1088 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:37:06pm |
re: #1050 avanti
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.
I believe in flexibility and resilience. I don't believe in shape-shifting.
1090 | Stonemason Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:41:30pm |
re: #1079 ploome hineni
1043 Dianna
I think she is a very unattractive woman...although she is tall, and her stature probably lends her presence
she has a marked bite issue.....some dentist could identify it..her facial expression is very unpleasant
nothing feminine or charming or pretty about her
okay, dagnabbit, she is ugly, there, I said it, now I feel bad.
I tried so hard to keep to the high ground, but, that woman is just not atractive.
1092 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:45:43pm |
re: #1090 Stonemason
okay, dagnabbit, she is ugly, there, I said it, now I feel bad.
I tried so hard to keep to the high ground, but, that woman is just not atractive.
LOL, don't feel bad.
all the guys i know have said it too.
1094 | nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:47:03pm |
re: #1089 Iron Fist
excellent post.
i like this sentence: "americans aren't frenchmen"
1095 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:50:09pm |
re: #1089 Iron Fist
What you describe will only happen if we let it......there is a part of our society that wants to cater to every whim of every race.....that is wrong. The USA is a melting pot, if we forget that, or stop acting like that....the whole thing can fall apart. You kinda see what you are saying with the large influx of Mexican and other Latin Americans.....they are not as quick to assimilate. With Muslims, you are not just dealing with one race or culture....Muslims come from many places.....
If we let people come here, Muslim or not, and let them set the agenda....we get what Europe has and we do not want that......
1096 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:50:50pm |
re: #1072 reine.de.tout
got 'em!
I just wish I could find the thread where Sympathy for Obama was originally done, because it showed how other lizards contributed.
1097 | Colonel Panik Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:51:14pm |
re: #1079 ploome hineni
1043 Dianna
I think she is a very unattractive woman...although she is tall, and her stature probably lends her presence
she has a marked bite issue.....some dentist could identify it..her facial expression is very unpleasant
nothing feminine or charming or pretty about her
She reminds me of "Aunt Esther" from Sanford and Son. Taller and more svelte but still with a face that would break a mirror, and a chip on her shoulder a mile wide.
1098 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:52:55pm |
1099 | lifeofthemind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:53:39pm |
re: #1076 nyc redneck
conservatives have good decent basic principles that have nothing to do w/ politics.
liberals will do anything for power or free stuff.
and they aren't very good dancers.
Some call Conservatism the worship of dead Liberals but I think they confuse the differing strains of both
1) Social Traditionalists Conservatives (Paleos) are suspicious of innovations
2) Personal Liberty and Property rights Conservatives (Classic Liberals) desire change.
3) Traditional Left Progressives supported rule of law and National Sovereignty
(AFL George Meany Democrats)
4) Internationalist Socialist Liberals cultivated disaffection.
1100 | pink freud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:54:09pm |
re: #1091 ploome hineni
Ploome, ploome, ploome
*shaking head*
You mustquit thinking in such black and white terms. Where's your tolerance and diversity?
///////////////////
1101 | JohnAdams Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:54:16pm |
re: #1095 Desert Dog
There is a terrible erosion here of belief in our culture. The schools and especially the universities are leading this effort. It creates a vacuum in which all cultures are allowed to be relevant. Cultural suicide.
1102 | JohnAdams Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:57:04pm |
re: #1099 lifeofthemind
Some call Conservatism the worship of dead Liberals but I think they confuse the differing strains of both
1) Social Traditionalists Conservatives (Paleos) are suspicious of innovations
2) Personal Liberty and Property rights Conservatives (Classic Liberals) desire change.
3) Traditional Left Progressives supported rule of law and National Sovereignty
(AFL George Meany Democrats)
4) Internationalist Socialist Liberals cultivated disaffection.
Sorry, I re-read it six times and I don't know what the you are talking about. Not being hostile. Just...there has to be some clarity.
1103 | lifeofthemind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:59:00pm |
re: #1102 JohnAdams
Sorry, I re-read it six times and I don't know what the you are talking about. Not being hostile. Just...there has to be some clarity.
Did you follow the conversation that nyc redneck was having with avanti?
1104 | Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:01:42pm |
re: #1101 JohnAdams
I cannot deny that.....you see it with pandering to ethnic groups by political parties (especially ones that begin with a Demo and end in a crat). But, business does it as well. I hope our culture and heritage withstands it all, because it has created the most awesome country that has ever existed. It would be a tragedy if it was to perish because of political correctness and relativism gone wild.
1105 | JohnAdams Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:04:40pm |
re: #1103 lifeofthemind
Did you follow the conversation that nyc redneck was having with avanti?
Nah...late in the game. No worries.
1106 | JohnAdams Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:07:27pm |
re: #1104 Desert Dog
I cannot deny that.....you see it with pandering to ethnic groups by political parties (especially ones that begin with a Demo and end in a crat). But, business does it as well. I hope our culture and heritage withstands it all, because it has created the most awesome country that has ever existed. It would be a tragedy if it was to perish because of political correctness and relativism gone wild.
I'm glad you mentioned business. Right-leaning people tend to worship the "free market" which is good, but they overlook that much great damage is done to our culture and children in the name of capitalism.
1107 | Dasher Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:15:59pm |
re: #111 LemonJoose
I think Rush has a better handle on what it means to be conservative than 90 percent of the Republican's in Congress.
Steele came crawling back today.
1108 | swamprat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:16:13pm |
re: #1082 JohnAdams
and they will be the first ones to cave to the demands of hardline Islamists simply because they are already halfway there and they already share so many values and so much cultural baggage.
I disagree. Freedom is too addictive. Once people have a taste of it, they will not "cave to the demands" of anyone.
1109 | stevieray Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:19:19pm |
re: #1108 swamprat
I disagree. Freedom is too addictive. Once people have a taste of it, they will not "cave to the demands" of anyone.
I wish I could agree, but there is a faction of humanity who craves order and uniformity above all else... probably about a third of any give population. They will recoil from liberty, and seek to destroy it.
1110 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:19:34pm |
re: #1035 Stonemason
We all have access, every human in this country, legal or illegal. That is a bogus argument.
Remote areas have health care, and if access to health care is an issue, and the available is too far away, move.
I am tired of people buying into the crap about rural people being stuck, urban people being stuck, no one is truly stuck in any situation, this is not 1960 USSR, this is the United States of America, the greatest, freest nation on the freakin planet.
I don't think you've been following the discussion.
1111 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:23:03pm |
re: #1052 Aviator
Uh, actually the British system did for many years. Canadians come to the US if they can pay cash, they have no option in Canada.
No private medical practice in Canada? Interesting.
1112 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:28:10pm |
re: #1082 JohnAdams
You know, I keep hearing this--a moderate isn't a real Muslim. By whose standards? Yours? Mine? International Jihad's? When I started reading up on Spencer, after the Late Unpleasantness, I found an interesting set of articles where he'd taken on a Muslim feminist scholar who said that she believed that hijab was not mandatory under Islam.
Spencer basically denounced her for not living up to his standard of 'real' Islam.
We say a lot here that we want to see the moderates, but if we genuinely don't believe they exist, what's to see?
1113 | JohnAdams Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:48:00pm |
re: #1112 SanFranciscoZionist
You know, I keep hearing this--a moderate isn't a real Muslim. By whose standards? Yours? Mine? International Jihad's? When I started reading up on Spencer, after the Late Unpleasantness, I found an interesting set of articles where he'd taken on a Muslim feminist scholar who said that she believed that hijab was not mandatory under Islam.
Spencer basically denounced her for not living up to his standard of 'real' Islam.
We say a lot here that we want to see the moderates, but if we genuinely don't believe they exist, what's to see?
Until the peaceful Muslims are dominating and driving the Islamic message to the world and telling us and demonstrating to us that they are in charge, then I will continue to believe that they are the most culpable of being seduced by the hardliners.
1115 | Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:06:10pm |
re: #1111 SanFranciscoZionist
No private medical practice in Canada? Interesting.
Actually, there are a few clinics and doctors who work outside the system. I had a routine medical done at one such, late last year.
Very much the exception, so far, but I think the trend will increase.
1116 | docremulac Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:08:59pm |
The mainstream media/Democrat complex has figured out the perfect ploy:
Pick both the Democrat and Republican candidates.
And be sure to pick the Republican candidate that's sure to loose while ignoring the rest.
Until the Republicans recognize that and tell the Democrat selected candidates such as McCain, Huckabee and Jindal to STFU, the Democrats are going to own the Presidency and both houses of Congress for the foreseeable future.
Hey Bobby Jindal! The reason you're getting interviewed all the time is you were selected by the enemy to fail for your party! Step down you friggin idiot!
1117 | sleepyone Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:22:49pm |
re: #1112 SanFranciscoZionist
You know, I keep hearing this--a moderate isn't a real Muslim. By whose standards? Yours? Mine? International Jihad's? When I started reading up on Spencer, after the Late Unpleasantness, I found an interesting set of articles where he'd taken on a Muslim feminist scholar who said that she believed that hijab was not mandatory under Islam.
Spencer basically denounced her for not living up to his standard of 'real' Islam.
We say a lot here that we want to see the moderates, but if we genuinely don't believe they exist, what's to see?
There is no such thing as "moderate" Islam. Any suggestion otherwise ignores the doctrine of the death cult.
1118 | William Mon, Mar 2, 2009 11:27:39pm |
I like Jindal. He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.
His main limitation (for now) is that he's too young. A president should be at least 55-60. JFK was too young. Obama is too young.
That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?
1119 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 11:52:00pm |
re: #1118 William
He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.
Four points there. Assertions, really. Not all small ones either. It'd be nice, just for the sake of argument, if you could present some accurate details that back up those four assertions.
Heh, that said, lets focus on 2010. 2012 won't mean shit if we don't.
1120 | Castlebravo Tue, Mar 3, 2009 4:46:39am |
Maybe this has already been mentioned, but I feel like mentioning it again so I'll feel better.
Did you notice that the only person that brought up race was Morley Safer? This relic from the 60's needs to wake up.
Not even the Louisiana News-dude mentioned race.
When will 60 minutes dump the dinosaurs?
1121 | Nemesis6 Tue, Mar 3, 2009 5:53:42am |
I'm assuming it won't play because I'm not in North America... How exactly do I circumvent this sillyness? There aren't any proxies that really work with embedded players.
1122 | Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:09:06am |
Oh dear - looks like Jindal WILL be the GOP candidate in 2012.
1123 | Ben F Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:19:46am |
re: #1122 Jimmah
Oh dear - looks like Jindal WILL be the GOP candidate in 2012.
To quote Mrs. Jindal, "Gosh, no!"
1124 | Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:26:56am |
re: #1123 Ben F
Heh. That was the comment that really confirmed his intentions.
1125 | Ben F Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:31:04am |
re: #55 reine.de.tout
Louisiana was the only state that added jobs in December 2008, and actually had a net gain of 8,700 jobs since December 2007.
Yeah. Shipping in federal tax dollars by the boatload will do that.
That was among the most infuriating aspects of Jindal's response to the President's address. "Thanks for all the help, America. . . . We all have to get over the idea that the federal government can just spend its way out of our economy's problems."
1126 | docremulac Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:06:25am |
re: #1118 William
"That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?"
Romney? Absolutely, the only man on our side who can stand up to a tough liberal interviewer and make his case successfully.
Jindal? No. An unwitting tool of the liberal left media. I've seen only two interviews and the liberal interviewers loved him because they served his head back to him on a platter. He was terrible.
This is war with these liberal media people and we need a candidate that:
A) Knows when they're under attack and
B) Can respond with an affirmative defense i.e. fighting back when asked accusatory questions by the iberal jerk.
And I hate to say it, but that goes for Sarah Palin too as much as I like her. Both the interviews that ruined her in the polls she was continuously being hammered, insulted and slapped around and she continued trying to be nice. Sad really.
1128 | Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:59:16am |
re: #1118 William
I like Jindal. He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.
His main limitation (for now) is that he's too young. A president should be at least 55-60. JFK was too young. Obama is too young.
That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?
I don't think the creationist criticisms are overblown one bit. Jindal promoted and signed into law a sneaky bill inspired by the Discovery Institute -- this is far beyond what the creationism lobby has achieved in other states, and it has led to a rash of similar bills. He's not just a passive believer in creationism, he's an activist who has demonstrated very clearly that he's willing to use the power of the law to promote pseudo-science.
That's not overblown. Those are all facts.
1129 | healem Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:36am |
re: #456 _RememberTonyC
Based on how he has spent his first 6 weeks as President, it sure looks like he wants to "rule" instead of "govern." I hope the Repubs are ready to "cue up" this bite when things start to collapse.
I think even "govern" carries the wrong connotation. A president is elected to "serve" the people. He works for us, not the other way around. Obama seems to think his job is to impose his will, rather than ours.
1130 | mica_ar Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:14:43pm |
re: #1118 William
I like Jindal. He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.
His main limitation (for now) is that he's too young. A president should be at least 55-60. JFK was too young. Obama is too young.
That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?
Despite the cynicism bouncing off the walls here, I have to agree with you. I've liked Jindal from the first and hope to see more of him. He's is definitely young; I'm not sure if he'd be a good pick for 2012, but if he stays this course, I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the future.
1131 | William Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:46pm |
re: #1128 Charles
That's not overblown. Those are all facts.
Perhaps it's a matter of priorities. People generally have a set of issues which concern them (abortion, islamic terrorism, Iran having nukes, creationism, etc, etc). Each issue is weighed differently, some held more important than others.
Speaking for myself, the threat of islamic terrorism ranks #1 and the threat of creationism ranks about # 999. So if Jindal is strong on the issues that matter most, and is weak on issues that matter less (to me), then that's OK in my book.
There's no ideal candidate out there. Even Reagan was far from perfect.
Compare Jindal to McCain, for example. Remember how Palin "energized" the McCain campaign? That was basically her youth, unapologetic love for America, and ability to speak without moral equivalence on the issues that mattered most. Well, Jindal has those things on his own, and is probably much brighter, to boot.
1132 | robomatic Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:41am |
I mentioned this on the Vatican science thread but it bears repeating here:
Bobby Jindal, who was profiled on Sixty Minutes this past Sunday was presented as a convert to Catholicism who believed in Intelligent Design. He has also supported pro-Creationism in the public schools of Louisiana through measures promoted by the Discovery Institute.
This guy is anti-science in a fundamental (-ist) way.