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1 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:38am

Time to photoshop Glenn Beck's face on your favorite mullah.

Same message.

Same delivery.

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:41am

If you follow that 'Allahpundit' link, you'll see my admirers hard at work ranting about me once again at Hot Air.

3 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:32:08am

Anyone who is in their right mind should disassociate themselves with Fox news. This is just beyond absurd.

4 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:32:13am

With Tea Parties, Members of Congress Watch From the Sidelines

I think that's probably a smart move on their part. Only Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) plan to attend rallies.

5 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:32:50am

This guy is the equivalent to Michael Moore.

6 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:33:34am

So this is what I've been missing all these years?

/No regrets

7 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:33:38am

Lots of people are legitimately upset. Grown-ups don't rant and rave though, but over-the-top makes for better TV, and Fox is just another TV station, nothing special at the core.

8 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:03am

Drama, and not very good.

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:10am

re: #5 NYCHardhat

I think Mikey Moore is actually smarter. He'd select facts and omit others to create conspiracies or twist reality. Beck is just a frothing lunatic. There's not much intelligence to what he's doing.

10 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:14am

WTF is wrong with him. He is completely off the rails.

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:39am

re: #8 rawmuse

Drama, and not very good.

Kabuki theater.

12 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #7 nikis-knight

Lots of people are legitimately upset. Grown-ups don't rant and rave though, but over-the-top makes for better TV, and Fox is just another TV station, nothing special at the core.

Bingo. Lets not lose sight that Beck is nothing more (nor anything less) than an ENTERTAINER. He is NOT a hard news correspondent. So lets not let the left (nor ourselves) place him up there in the "spokesman" category, like the left does with their entertainers!

13 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #3 Mithrax

Anyone who is in their right mind should disassociate themselves with Fox news. This is just beyond absurd.

The problem is what are you gonna watch MSNBC?

14 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:27am

Are there no Bill Buckley's left in this world?

15 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:41am

"We would like some sanity in our country for a second!"

And apparently no more than that, according to GB.

16 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:51am

Who could ever take him serious again after watching that stunt. What a freak show.

17 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:56am
18 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:06am

I wish Redeye guy wasn't associated with this. Redeye's pretty funny. Glenn Beck not so much.

19 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #13 Nevergiveup

The problem is what are you gonna watch MSNBC?

Nope. Always advocated turning off the tv. Can get more news quickly, from different sources from the 'net.

Just because the alternatives (i.e MSNBC) are lousy doesn't mean you climb into bed with Glenn Beck.

20 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:30am

re: #12 sattv4u2

Despite my contempt for worship of empty celebrities, one who claims to be a champion of truth and an advocate for YOU! is worse than just an entertainer making noise.

21 whiterasta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:31am

As they say in Quebec: he got da crazy eye.

22 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:31am

re: #13 Nevergiveup

The problem is what are you gonna watch MSNBC?

Olbermann spinning in his chair and calling Republicans fascists doesn't seem like much of an alternative.

23 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:39am
24 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:43am

Didnt Micheal Savage have his own TV show?

25 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:45am

When he shows the gas can's "Water" tag he should have moved to a "Soak the rich" rant. That would have been cool. There's nothing more satisfying then a good rant. I'm thinking that's why talk radio is so popular.

26 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:45am

Ironic that this guy is screaming about sanity

27 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:15am

re: #13 Nevergiveup

The problem is what are you gonna watch MSNBC?

I just stopped watching TV news entirely shortly after the election. At first it was just a mental health break, but I realized I didn't miss it. I get everything I need from the internet, without the raving and the commercials for Hoveround.

28 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:29am

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Didnt Micheal Savage have his own TV show?

Oh dear. I can think of few things more unpleasant to look at and listen to that a Michael Savage TV show.

29 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:40am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Are there no Bill Buckley's left in this world?

Try Dennis Prager. Not as erudite, but very close IMHO

30 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:56am

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Didnt Micheal Savage have his own TV show?

For a week before he wished some gays to die of aids.

31 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #26 Creeping Eruption

Ironic that this guy is screaming about sanity

Reminds me of Will Ferrell in "Old School" when he is swinging a folding chair yelling about keeping one's composure.

32 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:40:24am

Glenn Beck is another reason why I stopped watching FOX News and now turn to LGF and other sane entities for my news and information.

Keep up the good work Charles, you are not alone!

33 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:40:35am

Jeez, the liberals and some moderates already think Fox is weird. This guy is going to be the nail in the coffin.

34 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:05am

re: #13 Nevergiveup

The problem is what are you gonna watch MSNBC?

I pretty much only watch Discovery, Sports, Nickelodeon and Reno 911. I haven't watched TV for news or commentary in a loong time.

35 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #34 Mich-again

I pretty much only watch Discovery, Sports, Nickelodeon and Reno 911. I haven't watched TV for news or commentary in a loong time.

USA network has some really good re-runs.

36 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:42am

The show on CNN was never like this. The radio show is not quite like this.

He is killing himself by use of too much juvenile humor, touching out to the fringes. His ratings are very high...

He is self taught...and because of this, the last thing he reads is the freshest in his mind, often overshadowing something better he read last week. It needs integration.

He makes a lot of vaid points. But why can't we find someone who has "gravitas" and can carry the same message? I don't hate Beck, but recently I have been forced to question much of what he does on the TV program.

37 ghengis was a wuss  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:46am

I know you guys will probably flame me for this, but I rant like glenn beck myself sometimes because I'm enraged at what O is doing to my country. It is meant to be over-the-top absurd, like he (and I) feel the situation with O's presidency is becoming.

Ok, flame away at me.

38 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:49am

re: #19 Mithrax

Nope. Always advocated turning off the tv. Can get more news quickly, from different sources from the 'net.

Just because the alternatives (i.e MSNBC) are lousy doesn't mean you climb into bed with Glenn Beck.

Yeah I know, but sometimes laying in bed watching a ball game and between innings I like to switch to the news quickly to see if the world has ended, so I gotta watch something.

39 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:54am

I missed the frothing part. Pretty much just the standard litany of complaints about Obama Administration policies and proposals, illustrated as pouring more gasoline on a volatile situation. The most over-the-top thing I heard him say is that Obama's policies will lead to "slavery" -- but some might say that obligating the American people to a massive public debt is sentencing them to a form of servitude.

As for immolation as comedy, well, it sure didn't work as well here as it did in "Airplane!"

I worry more about Glenn Beck endorsing Bircher ideas than about him mugging for the camera.

40 SalsaNChips  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:42:06am

I don't think Beck represents all people on the right any more than Anne Coulter does or for that matter Mike Moore or Randi Rhodes represent people on the left.

There are extremists on both sides.

41 Emerald  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:42:12am

Any movement that takes inspiration from an over-the-top entertainer out to make a quick buck shouldn't be surprised when they aren't taken seriously.

42 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:42:35am

I usually end up listening to Lars Larsen's show online with LGF in another window.

43 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:42:45am

Rightyflakes out of GOP now.

44 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:42:53am

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Didnt Micheal Savage have his own TV show?

He did for awhile. I think it was a local station in SF, never saw it but heard about its cancelation after he blew up and called a caller nasty non-PC names.
I'm glad Salem radio dropped him. I'm dropping the books of his I got as gifts from well-meaning but ill-informed relatives off at goodwill when we move.

45 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:32am

re: #3 Mithrax

Many lizards, myself included, have already blown off Fox News as a moby at best, crazy at worst, network.

Oh and don't even get me started on that side show travesty they call Fox Business Channel.

46 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:38am

i saw that craziness yesterday ... FOX is really risking their credibility by airing this stuff ...

And this news just in from DEARBORN ...

DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) - Police say 2 people have been killed in a
shooting at a Michigan community college.

47 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:43:39am

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Didnt Micheal Savage have his own TV show?

Yes, until he screamed "I hope you die of AIDS!" to a gay caller.

48 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #41 Emerald

Any movement that takes inspiration from an over-the-top entertainer out to make a quick buck shouldn't be surprised when they aren't taken seriously.

OK, but how come Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews are taken seriously? Add any names of your choosing.

49 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:17am

re: #37 ghengis was a wuss

It is meant to be over-the-top absurd, like he (and I) feel the situation with O's presidency is becoming.

I don't know about that. He's awfully convincing with that off the rails nutjob persona. You think the over the top absurdity is an act?

50 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:18am

OT: Speaking of nuts. Pamela received a response from the police about her very questionable allegations of child abuse at a mosque.....

If you have legitimte, specific and non-anonymous information about a crime, you are welcome to report it under the 'Crime Prevention and Reporting' section on our website. But I'm afraid we are not able to address vague inquiries without any fact-based information behind it.

Please also pass on that information to the other people in your organization who are sending similar vague and unspecific e-mails to our office.

Got that? The Nashville District Attorney General's office does not even investigate reports of child abuse - possibly child rape - or the promotion of terrorism. According to them, it is the duty of the public to investigate and provide evidence before this office will pursue justice.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:36am

This guy is a demagogue in "entertainer" clothing. He is dangerous.

He makes "hypothetical" comments which he can later disavow, but his willing/eager audience easily "gets it".

In this video, he asks a semi-rational question at the end, but it lays like a limp excuse. It flops out of sight. What "counts" is the inflamatory imagery (verbal shorthand and mood, plus the theatrics) he's already put across.

Look at the imagery if you want to see into this guy's soul.

52 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:37am

he needs one of those round red noses....some quality buffoonery

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:41am

re: #47 Charles

Yeesh.

54 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:43am

re: #40 SalsaNChips

I don't think Beck represents all people on the right any more than Anne Coulter does or for that matter Mike Moore or Randi Rhodes represent people on the left.

There are extremists on both sides.

Every time I see the name Randi Rhodes I always ask myself why people are so down on Ozzy's former guitarist (Randy Rhoads). I guess that shows what an impact Randi Rhodes has had on me. Who is he/she?

55 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:48am

I'd like to see Officer Dangle arrest Glenn Beck on suspicion of stupidity and hosting a news program while intoxicated.

56 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:52am

We Didn't Start The Fire

57 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:15am

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Yeah I know, but sometimes laying in bed watching a ball game and between innings I like to switch to the news quickly to see if the world has ended, so I gotta watch something.

What is all this switching channels between innings? My husband has done that for years and I will never understand it. Frustrating.

58 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #37 ghengis was a wuss

I know you guys will probably flame me for this, but I rant like glenn beck myself sometimes because I'm enraged at what O is doing to my country. It is meant to be over-the-top absurd, like he (and I) feel the situation with O's presidency is becoming.

Ok, flame away at me.

Everyone needs to vent. Just don't broadcast it and fuel hysteria.

59 ghengis was a wuss  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:26am

re: #49 Mich-again

yes, I have listened to his radio show for many years and he has always been way campy.

60 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:41am

If Beck insists on being dramatic, Penn & Teller could probably advise him on how to stage a more realistic immolation.

61 peachwild  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:44am

Paul Giamatti will play him in the movie.

62 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:49am

re: #40 SalsaNChips

I don't think Beck represents all people on the right any more than Anne Coulter does or for that matter Mike Moore or Randi Rhodes represent people on the left.

There are extremists on both sides.

Unfortunately, most of the leftist people that I know are quite in tune with Michael Moore and Randi Rhodes. And they're fully committed to Obama's agenda - and more.

63 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:00am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Sure, but they would be laughed off this site for voicing opposition to our adventures in Iraq.

64 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #48 kansas

OK, but how come Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews are taken seriously? Add any names of your choosing.

Like I said in my #12. Let the left have entertainers as theor spokespeople.

Pointing out bad behaviour on their side is not excuse for doing it on our side

65 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #57 yesandno

What is all this switching channels between innings? My husband has done that for years and I will never understand it. Frustrating.

Are we going get into the toilet lid situation too? It's a man woman thing. : )

66 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:30am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

OT: Speaking of nuts. Pamela received a response from the police about her very questionable allegations of child abuse at a mosque.....

Think she'll ever notice that whenever she makes contact with normal people (on this, and on her weird offensive attempt to put a tombstone on someone's else's daughter's grave) they treat her like a raving maniac?

What am I saying? Of course she won't.

67 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:47am

re: #49 Mich-again

I don't know about that. He's awfully convincing with that off the rails nutjob persona. You think the over the top absurdity is an act?


see my #12

68 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #44 nikis-knight

It was actually on MSNBC. The network he calls (and I tend to agree with him on this point anyway) "More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps".

I think they wanted him as their "token" conservative to make us look bad. He was so over the top for TV that they couldn't even keep him on the air for moby purposes.

69 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:22am

re: #57 yesandno

What is all this switching channels between innings? My husband has done that for years and I will never understand it. Frustrating.

It's a guy thing.

70 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:26am
71 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:45am

re: #61 peachwild

Paul Giamatti will play him in the movie.

Yes! Or Richard Dreyfuss.

72 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #63 ellcon

Sure, but they would be laughed off this site for voicing opposition to our adventures in Iraq.

There is laughable opposition and non-laughtable opposition. I think LGF readers can usually tell the difference.

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #66 Charles

I'm thinking that if she keeps pushing this she's going to find herself in trouble for filing false complaints with the police.

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:04am

re: #63 ellcon

Sure, but they would be laughed off this site for voicing opposition to our adventures in Iraq.

As they should be. William F. Buckley was 100% wrong in that column.

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:42am

People tell me I look like Glenn Beck all of the time... wish he'd stop it. It was cool to resemble someone that was liked.

76 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #40 SalsaNChips


There are extremists on both sides.

Err...sorry. I'm used to vapid, brain-dead leftists trotting out those exact same words verbatim after....oh I dunno...19 Muslims hijack fully fuelled commercial airliners and slam them into skyscrapers or the Pentagon (as if the most offensive Falwell screed is somehow equivalent).

Or Muslims blow up a crowded commuter train in Madrid.

Or Muslims send suicide bombers into London's Underground during rush hour.

Just because Beck is throwing a tantraum doesn't change the fact that we hav in the White house a president and cabinet who view American military and economic supremacy as something evil that needs to be offset somehow.

77 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:24am

re: #73 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking that if she keeps pushing this she's going to find herself in trouble for filing false complaints with the police.

yes and her popularity will skyrocket

78 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People tell me I look like Glenn Beck all of the time... wish he'd stop it. It was cool to resemble someone that was liked.

No worries. No matter who you resemble you still won;t be liked!

//

79 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:44am
80 Querent  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:46am

re: #37 ghengis was a wuss

how 'bout we upding you instead?

rant on, brother!

81 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:58am

Turn off the TV.

Play with your kids. Plant a garden. Cook a nice meal. Listen to classical music. Take a walk. Read a book.....Anything is better than watching TV.

82 JHW  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:03am

I'm still grappling with what disturbs me most......this loon along with the rest of our failing media, or the fact that most of the people I know, across all socio-economic classes, don't keep up with anything but local news. Fannie Mae....never heard of it.GM and Chrysler bailouts....not a clue, no opinion. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank...they're Democrats aren't they? They're for the little guy then, not like all those fat-cats that got huge bonuses. 911...That was like Katrina to this type, an unfortunate disaster, now, when's the game on? I can barely believe the ignorance I hear constantly from educated professionals that barely know what's going on in the country, let alone the world. Little interest in politics except to reflexively vote straight party tickets like they've always done and bitch about Bush. They don't watch Fox, CNN,MSNBC or anything but local news and very little of that....there's a game on soon doncha know?

83 Emerald  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:24am

re: #48 kansas

OK, but how come Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews are taken seriously? Add any names of your choosing.

They aren't.

I pointed out on another thread that Beck reaches a minuscule audience. The people you mentioned are even more obscure. The average person has no clue who they are.

84 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:26am

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People tell me I look like Glenn Beck all of the time... wish he'd stop it. It was cool to resemble someone that was liked.

Better to be a Vegetarian than to be the vegetable.

85 ghengis was a wuss  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:32am

re: #80 Querent

Thanks :) I'm actually a sister tho ;)

86 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:39am

re: #64 sattv4u2

Like I said in my #12. Let the left have entertainers as theor spokespeople.

Pointing out bad behaviour on their side is not excuse for doing it on our side

I don't think I meant to excuse bad behavior. I just want to know how their raving loonies are taken seriously, while ours are simply raving loonies.

87 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:51:01am

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

"There are exremists on both sides" is true but doesn't address the important collaries of how many, with what effect, and how far are those extremists from the core animating ideas of the mainstream of their 'side'.

88 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:51:32am

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

Turn off the TV.

Play with your kids. Plant a garden. Cook a nice meal. Listen to classical music. Take a walk. Read a book.....Anything is better than watching TV.

conversely nothing is better that football in the fall....that's when I dust off the old Toshiba

89 Armed  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:51:58am

Who is the Beck guy and why do I feel like I'm watching Penn & Teller?

90 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:02am

Obama: Government to buy 17,600 cars they don’t need to boost economy

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

How do I get one?

91 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #24 Fenway_Nation

Didnt Micheal Savage have his own TV show?

I don't like him. Mark Levin is the obly one tolerable. Even when he gets intense, it is still tame.

92 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:18am

The pressure to produce a daily show must be a bitch.

Meanwhile, TIME magazine the Somali pirates as "fiercely conservative"

93 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:30am

re: #79 Iron Fist

Get a tattoo of someone on your chest, like Mike Tyson did. I wouldn't recommend Che, though....

The CBC would recommend one of the Castro brothers.

94 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:44am

re: #86 kansas

I don't think I meant to excuse bad behavior. I just want to know how their raving loonies are taken seriously, while ours are simply raving loonies.

People in the middle (i.e. most cogent Americans) consider both raving loonies. People on each extreme think nothing wrong with "THEIRS", but the "OTHER" guy is nuts

95 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:16am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I think Mikey Moore is actually smarter. He'd select facts and omit others to create conspiracies or twist reality. Beck is just a frothing lunatic. There's not much intelligence to what he's doing.

so its more of a rosie odonnel thing?

96 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:22am

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

Turn off the TV.

Play with your kids. Plant a garden. Cook a nice meal. Listen to classical music. Take a walk. Read a book.....Anything is better than watching TV.

Unless it is Lost or Prison Break or any CSI or House or Boston Legal or Weeds or Dexter or....
Damn I love my TV. I have not even started about sports.

97 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:28am

TIME magazine describes the Somali pirates as "fiercely conservative"
PIMF

98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:52am

re: #74 Charles

As they should be. William F. Buckley was 100% wrong in that column.

I did a double-check (close to the monitor) on the publication date for that column ... ... ... then rolled my eyes.

99 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:53:54am

re: #74 Charles

As they should be. William F. Buckley was 100% wrong in that column.

Yes he was.

Of course, I was referring to the civility of discourse exemplified by Buckley, which I miss.

100 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:04am

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

Exactly; this stuff that happens in politics is important, but the center of your world shouldn't be Washington, but your home & community.

101 caligal  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:09am

surely there is more important things to discuss than continual beck bashing.

102 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:11am

Some of the things that Beck said would have been worthwhile if said in a rational commentary. These insane histrionics smother any message.
I like Fox News , but they have made a bad mistake.

103 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:14am

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Obama: Government to buy 17,600 cars they don’t need to boost economy

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

How do I get one?

If we have to buy more vehicles for government employees to boost the economy, I'd prefer F-22s.

104 Querent  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #85 ghengis was a wuss

there's a lot of us on LGF!

105 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:30am
106 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:46am

re: #29 sattv4u2

Try Dennis Prager. Not as erudite, but very close IMHO

It would be great if Dennis were able to resurrect the old "Firing Line". I don't see anyone else capable of pulling off anything close.

Pretty barren landscape to view when casting about for an authoritative conservative voice. What the hell is Michael Steele doing by the way. He should be out in front of all this reactionary crap. Instead he seems intent on being obscure, presumably performing some sort of administrative function.

107 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:55am

re: #102 opnion

Some of the things that Beck said would have been worthwhile if said in a rational commentary. These insane histrionics smother any message.
I like Fox News , but they have made a bad mistake.

As long as he keeps getting the ratings, they'll keep making the "bad mistake"

108 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:59am

re: #92 rawmuse

The pressure to produce a daily show must be a bitch.

Meanwhile, TIME magazine the Somali pirates as "fiercely conservative"

they are winning because they are unopposed...DUH!...why does everyone need to complicate the simplest issues?...blahblah

109 caligal  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:02am

oops, horrid grammar there!
THERE ARE... so sorry about that.

110 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:09am

re: #79 Iron Fist

Get a tattoo of someone on your chest, like Mike Tyson did. I wouldn't recommend Che, though....

Old Mike has Mao. I want a Homer Simpson tattoo on my face.

111 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:18am

re: #77 albusteve

yes and her popularity will skyrocket

Playing the martyr will keep it all about Pamela.

112 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:48am

re: #74 Charles

As they should be. William F. Buckley was 100% wrong in that column.

Then Obama's request for $83.4 billion more in Mideast war spending is 100% right? If so, maybe it deserves a congratulatory post from you Charles? I'm guessing you didn't expect it...

113 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:48am

re: #97 rawmuse

TIME magazine describes the Somali pirates as "fiercely conservative"
PIMF

/ what is a TIME magazine?

114 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:56:15am

Interesting to see Bill Schulz from Red Eye in a Glenn Beck show segment. That's too funny if you think about it.

115 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #2 Charles

Really?

I had to go through four pages of Allahpundit bashing/defending before I found anything about you on page 5 (thus far the last page in those comments). What was there was scant, with some among them defending you. Maybe I somehow missed all the "ranting". Just sayin'...

116 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:56:47am

Can someone tell my how boats full of armed Somalis can take over an unarmed freighter? I just don't get it. /

117 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:56:51am

re: #96 Erik The Red

Unless it is Lost or Prison Break or any CSI or House or Boston Legal or Weeds or Dexter or....
Damn I love my TV. I have not even started about sports.

I've never watched any of those programs, and I don't intend to in the future.

TV is too passive, it turns the brain to mush.

118 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:00am

re: #106 The Shadow Do

It would be great if Dennis were able to resurrect the old "Firing Line". I don't see anyone else capable of pulling off anything close.

Pretty barren landscape to view when casting about for an authoritative conservative voice. What the hell is Michael Steele doing by the way. He should be out in front of all this reactionary crap. Instead he seems intent on being obscure, presumably performing some sort of administrative function.

Thats not his "job". As chairman of the RNC, his job is raisong money and making sure there are viable candidates in congressional and senatorial races, and funneling the money to them where needed

119 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:07am

re: #106 The Shadow Do

Maybe he's gun-shy after those Rush Limbaugh and pro-choice quotes.

120 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:08am

re: #111 Athos

Playing the martyr will keep it all about Pamela.

of course...she already has a plan for her next leap into stardom I'm sure

121 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:14am

Glenn Beck needs a vacation. A long one.

Someone send him to a spa. STAT.

Then when he comes back, he needs to start The Mea Culpa Project.

122 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:23am

re: #92 rawmuse

The pressure to produce a daily show must be a bitch.

Meanwhile, TIME magazine the Somali pirates as "fiercely conservative"

Just like Al-Queda. Just like the National Socialists. I'm sure it won't be long before Stalin is called the conservative Soviet dictator in history books.

123 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:28am

re: #115 theuglydougling

Maybe I somehow missed all the "ranting".

No "maybe" about it.

124 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:40am

re: #115 theuglydougling

Really?

I had to go through four pages of Allahpundit bashing/defending before I found anything about you on page 5 (thus far the last page in those comments). What was there was scant, with some among them defending you. Maybe I somehow missed all the "ranting". Just sayin'...

Go and read again. Do you want me to qoute them here for you?

125 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:57:58am

Hey Glenn,
We know you're reading this page.
Building your ratings quick like this is working no doubt, BUT...
geez guy, c'mon, at the expense of your credibility?!? There's still time to reinvent yourself before you are forever labeled a nutjob.

Happy Easter,
a fan

126 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:00am

re: #92 rawmuse

The pressure to produce a daily show must be a bitch.

Meanwhile, TIME magazine the Somali pirates as "fiercely conservative"

what a piss poor excuse for a 'thoughtful' article.

AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE SOMALI PIRATES IS.......

NO WEAPONS ON CARGO SHIPS.

127 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:04am

re: #102 opnion

Some of the things that Beck said would have been worthwhile if said in a rational commentary. These insane histrionics smother any message.
I like Fox News , but they have made a bad mistake.

Several - Beck, Judge Napolitano, Geraldo.....

They aren't going to define editorial content of these hosts - and they want the ratings. It would be nice to see them become principled at some point and start to try to demonstrate that there can be a respectable mainstream media element as opposed to one that panders to targeted viewers.

128 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:43am

re: #36 yesandno

He makes a lot of vaid points. But why can't we find someone who has "gravitas" and can carry the same message? I don't hate Beck, but recently I have been forced to question much of what he does on the TV program.

The advantage that the Democrat Party has in the modern era of American politics is that they don't ever express embarrassment at the behavior of their "Progressive" wing. They'll tolerate 9/11 troofers, Code Pink wackos, and the nutroots bloggers and commenters so long as they continue to reap political benefit from them. Notice it's only when they turn on the Democrat establishment that the Democrat politicians have anything untoward to say to them (as in Barney Frank telling the Code Pink ladies in his hearing room to "grow up").

Republicans are far more sensitive to appearance. Sarah Palin embarrassed a lot of "conservative" pundits because she talked like the sheriff in Fargo instead of Bill Buckley on Firing Line. Glenn Beck could have used any of a number of other visual metaphors in this clip and made the same point, but the way he chose to do it looked over-the-top. And even where there are basic differences in belief and policy -- as in a Bobby Jindal pushing creationism in Louisiana public schools -- part of the attack on him is based on his religious beliefs themselves, and not the pernicious fact of him trying to inject specific religious views into the public schools.

We're in a clash of civilizations, and the people on the Left in the USA have chosen the path of appeasement and mollification of our enemies. If the people on the Right choose to focus on division rather than coalition-building, the appeasers and mollifiers will have a clear field to pursue their policies and position the West to lack the will and the physical wherewithal to win against a relentless push from radical Islam.

129 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:58:49am

re: #116 kansas

Can someone tell my how boats full of armed Somalis can take over an unarmed freighter? I just don't get it. /

Grappling hooks.

130 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:59:00am

re: #116 kansas

Can someone tell my how boats full of armed Somalis can take over an unarmed freighter? I just don't get it. /

stealth....they rub this rare goo all over each other and they become invisible

131 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:59:12am
132 Emerald  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:59:56am

re: #101 caligal

surely there is more important things to discuss than continual beck bashing.

No one is stopping you from doing so. No one is forcing you read these posts. It's Charles' playground; he gets to pick the games.

133 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:02pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

As long as he keeps getting the ratings, they'll keep making the "bad mistake"

No doubt about that, but it is damaging their credibility & as I mentioned , I like FNC.

134 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:08pm

re: #112 ellcon

Then Obama's request for $83.4 billion more in Mideast war spending is 100% right? If so, maybe it deserves a congratulatory post from you Charles? I'm guessing you didn't expect it...

I have an idea -- you should start your own blog, and post what you want on it.

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:10pm

re: #99 Ringo the Gringo

Yes he was.

Of course, I was referring to the civility of discourse exemplified by Buckley, which I miss.

The linked-to column was by Buckley Jr., from Feb. 2008

136 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #112 ellcon

Then Obama's request for $83.4 billion more in Mideast war spending is 100% right? If so, maybe it deserves a congratulatory post from you Charles? I'm guessing you didn't expect it...

WTF.

Is it simply a binary issue?

Iraq War - right or wrong. In the starkest of terms.

If you want to come here and place all supporters of the war in a mental straight jacket, go ahead. But you are just making an ass of yourself (which you seem to be good at).

There were reasons to support that war and then oppose how it was executed. There are reasons to support the war and know that war is messy, never goes as planned, that enemies adapt and so must we to win.

But sniping in a way that implies an absolutist certainty about that war makes you sound like an idiot.

137 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #102 opnion

Some of the things that Beck said would have been worthwhile if said in a rational commentary. These insane histrionics smother any message.
I like Fox News , but they have made a bad mistake.

I've noticed a lot of irrationality creeping into many of their other programming, which explains why I've quit watching most of it - particularly their evening lineup. I TIVO Bret Baer's show so I can watch it after dinner, instead of O'blowhard and Hannity.

138 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:29pm

re: #91 NYCHardhat

Levin is a Savage clone, he totally ripped off Savage's shtick. The difference is Savage would bitch about Bush whereas Levin would stick to constant verbal fellatio.

139 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:43pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

Man, after all I've had, I'd say the face is just about too tender an area to get a tattoo. It's hard to cover up when you need to, too, unless you are a Mohammedan woman in a burqua (or, for that matter, a Mohammedan cross-dresser in one :-)

I had my lower back finished this weekend, and I really wish I'd been able to get a local anesthetic or something. I didn't tap out, but I thought about it :-)

Going to a "show" in PA in June in hopes of locating an AR-15. (Possibly an SKS if its too expensive.)

140 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #101 caligal

surely there is more important things to discuss than continual beck bashing.

Disagree. When people associated with "conservatives" go off the deep end, it is up to our side to police its own.

141 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:01:44pm

I always know I've hit a nerve when people start complaining: "Aren't there more important things to post about?"

142 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:01:56pm

re: #47 Charles

Yes, until he screamed "I hope you die of AIDS!" to a gay caller.

I feel about Michael Savage the way you feel about Glenn Beck. I am almost convinced that Savage is a persona Michael Wiener (his real name) cooked up to cash in on the popularity of right-wing radio talk while at the same time discrediting it with his bile.

143 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:02:01pm

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

Preach it, brother. Never owned a t.v., ever will. Head in the sand attitude? Don't think so.

144 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:02:05pm

re: #126 Eowyn2

what a piss poor excuse for a 'thoughtful' article.

AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE SOMALI PIRATES IS.......

NO WEAPONS ON CARGO SHIPS.

That has got to change

145 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:02:24pm

re: #127 Athos

Several - Beck, Judge Napolitano, Geraldo.....

They aren't going to define editorial content of these hosts - and they want the ratings. It would be nice to see them become principled at some point and start to try to demonstrate that there can be a respectable mainstream media element as opposed to one that panders to targeted viewers.

As annoyiong as Geraldo is , I get that they are trying to show some balance. Beck on the otheer hand is an association that they should have avoided.
What do you mean about Napolitano?

146 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:02:33pm

What is it with coming to a guy's personal site and giving him shit? I don't get it.

147 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #138 ellcon

Levin is a Savage clone, he totally ripped off Savage's shtick. The difference is Savage would bitch about Bush whereas Levin would stick to constant verbal fellatio.

I disagree.

148 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:02:49pm

Pietr,

I've replied with as many answers as I have to your gracious post (that ain't snark or sarcasm; he asked as a gentleman and I try to respond in like manner).

Second...

The Captain jumps in the water and tries to swim away. Pie-rats fire on him in order to force him back to the raft. Bainbridge crew is unaware of what is going on until they start shooting?

I'm just a growed-up river rat, and not ever had the benefit of U.S. Navy training, but I'd have had a lookout, with a backup lookout, watching that raft every moment.

Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20. It is the present that is often seen through the fog.

149 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:13pm

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Obama: Government to buy 17,600 cars they don’t need to boost economy

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

How do I get one?

I remember the last time the government bought small, fuel efficient cars. Ever ridden 800 miles to a job site in a Chevette with no a/c? In August?, With 3 other sweaty people and luggage?

150 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:33pm

re: #123 Charles

I searched all five pages using keywords "charles", "footballs", and "lgf". Got no hits till page 5. Sure were an awful lot of people hating on Allah, though, in those first pages. I'm not pointing this out to be disrespectful; it just seemed like an exaggeration. I've been a fan since Rathergate, and whether I agree with you or not on any given subject I'll still be visiting.

151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:34pm

re: #141 Charles

I always know I've hit a nerve when people start complaining: "Aren't there more important things to post about?"

*meekly* ... can I turn this into a pun-thread now?

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152 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:39pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

Man, after all I've had, I'd say the face is just about too tender an area to get a tattoo. It's hard to cover up when you need to, too, unless you are a Mohammedan woman in a burqua (or, for that matter, a Mohammedan cross-dresser in one :-)

I had my lower back finished this weekend, and I really wish I'd been able to get a local anesthetic or something. I didn't tap out, but I thought about it :-)

The Maori think the tongue isn't too tender to get tattooed. And given the tools they had for tattooing in centuries past, you have to give them proper respect for their pain tolerance.

153 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:39pm

re: #145 opnion

As annoyiong as Geraldo is , I get that they are trying to show some balance. Beck on the otheer hand is an association that they should have avoided.
What do you mean about Napolitano?

Geraldo? Balance? he is just a jack ass and a rude one to boot. And as he ain't aging well either.

154 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #103 jaunte

If we have to buy more vehicles for government employees to boost the economy, I'd prefer F-22s.

Give me tanks, lots of tanks, cant fence me in.

155 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:45pm

re: #145 opnion

As annoyiong as Geraldo is , I get that they are trying to show some balance. Beck on the otheer hand is an association that they should have avoided.
What do you mean about Napolitano?

Napolitano has recently interviewed and referred to a "The Great", Alex Jones, God-Emperor of the Troofers.

156 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #146 kansas

What is it with coming to a guy's personal site and giving him shit? I don't get it.

think small

157 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #146 kansas

What is it with coming to a guy's personal site and giving him shit? I don't get it.

Whats more, I don't get registering sock puppets and leaving them dormant for years until they can say something utterly inane or offensive only to get banned and deleted. Who the hell has time for that kind of shit?

158 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:17pm

re: #149 Son of the Black Dog

I remember the last time the government bought small, fuel efficient cars. Ever ridden 800 miles to a job site in a Chevette with no a/c? In August?, With 3 other sweaty people and luggage?

The sweet smell of success?

159 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #112 ellcon

Then Obama's request for $83.4 billion more in Mideast war spending is 100% right? If so, maybe it deserves a congratulatory post from you Charles? I'm guessing you didn't expect it...

Maybe it would get a congratulatory post if 0bama didn't authorize $787 billion in kickbacks thinly disguised as economic stimulus.

Or if he could prove the US Military was going to get more money than ACORN during his administration.

/just a thought.

160 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:35pm

Anyone know who the person getting doused in the video is?

161 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:35pm

re: #138 ellcon

Do you have a fucking clue? Just wondering.

162 martinsmithy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:37pm

Wow, after watching that clip, the term "psychotic loser" came to my mind quite freely. Beck is off his rocker.

163 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:51pm

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

Turn off the TV.

Play with your kids. Plant a garden. Cook a nice meal. Listen to classical music. Take a walk. Read a book.....Anything is better than watching TV.

Sip some nice wine - c'mon, stay on topic.

164 Nadnerb  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:05:02pm

Bat. Shit. Crazy.

He's come undone.

165 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:05:28pm

re: #138 ellcon

I can't imagine how you could listen to both Levin and Savage and think they're similar. The rest of your comment is too crude to deserve a response.

166 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:05:43pm

re: #125 unrealizedviewpoint

Hey Glenn,
We know you're reading this page.
Building your ratings quick like this is working no doubt, BUT...
geez guy, c'mon, at the expense of your credibility?!? There's still time to reinvent yourself before you are forever labeled a nutjob.

Happy Easter,
a fan

Good post. He could cut out the crap & get serious.
If you have heard him on the radio, he is not nearly so over the top.
He gets on television & goes off of the rails.

167 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:05:54pm

re: #150 theuglydougling

I'm not pointing this out to be disrespectful; it just seemed like an exaggeration.

This is my comment:

If you follow that 'Allahpundit' link, you'll see my admirers hard at work ranting about me once again at Hot Air.

Where's the "exaggeration?"

168 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:05:55pm

re: #161 kansas

Do you have a fucking clue? Just wondering.

That's what I was thinking. I have an April resolution... To steer clear of assholes.

169 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:06:19pm

re: #160 Thanos

Anyone know who the person getting doused in the video is?

Bill Schultz from Red Eye.

170 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:06:20pm

I like a lot of what Glen Beck says, and I also like Fox News a lot. Tha doesn't mean that I agree with everything they do or say...but they are 60 times better than CNN, NBC or any of the others. I read a bunch of news sites on the Internet to try and get an overall perspective. LGF always comes out on top for me.

171 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:06:27pm

re: #149 Son of the Black Dog

I remember the last time the government bought small, fuel efficient cars. Ever ridden 800 miles to a job site in a Chevette with no a/c? In August?, With 3 other sweaty people and luggage?

It probably took all August to get there, assuming the sweat didn't rust it out before it made it halfway.

172 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:07:31pm

re: #116 kansas

Can someone tell my how boats full of armed Somalis can take over an unarmed freighter? I just don't get it. /

RPG's aimed at your bridge can be a powerful persuader.

173 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:08:06pm

re: #168 NYCHardhat

That's what I was thinking. I have an April resolution... To steer clear of assholes.

Barney Frank would never make a resolution like that.

174 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:08:07pm

re: #152 stuiec

The Maori think the tongue isn't too tender to get tattooed. And given the tools they had for tattooing in centuries past, you have to give them proper respect for their pain tolerance.

How about this:

[Link: www.hickerphoto.com...]

175 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:08:22pm

re: #151 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*meekly* ... can I turn this into a pun-thread now?

/////////////////////////////////////

I think its thyme.

176 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:08:25pm

re: #153 Nevergiveup

Geraldo? Balance? he is just a jack ass and a rude one to boot. And as he ain't aging well either.

I agree with all of that, but yes it is balance to put a Lliberal on a Conservative network.

177 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:08:39pm

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Barney Frank would never make a resolution like that.

LMAO! I just got a hernia.

178 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:09:11pm

re: #172 Son of the Black Dog

RPG's aimed at your bridge can be a powerful persuader.

Good point... maybe the shipping companies will start using armor.

179 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:09:13pm

re: #175 Racer X

I think its thyme.

Sage advice.

/grabbing at the obvious first

180 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #177 NYCHardhat

LMAO! I just got a hernia.

Dr. Bawney Fwank will check you out.

181 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:09:22pm

re: #166 opnion

Good post. He could cut out the crap & get serious.
If you have heard him on the radio, he is not nearly so over the top.
He gets on television & goes off of the rails.

I've never heard his radio show but I have seen a dozen or so of his CNN shows. I stopped watching because he preached too much doom & gloom. I just couldn't handle it. Yes, the sky is falling - but not all at once. I loved the camera angles though. Very cool.

182 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:09:35pm

re: #103 jaunte

If we have to buy more vehicles for government employees to boost the economy, I'd prefer F-22s.

We also need more C-17's.
Maybe we should just cancel the tanker competition and make a tanker version of the C-17.

183 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:00pm

re: #176 opnion

I agree with all of that, but yes it is balance to put a Lliberal on a Conservative network.

He isn't a classic liberal. But I get your point, and the 101st should have taken care of him anyway.

184 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #172 Son of the Black Dog

RPG's aimed at your bridge can be a powerful persuader.

vest up, pop on a hat and light up the Barrett...if they continue to approach let loose with a chain gun....someone going to arrest you for it?

185 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:06pm

re: #141 Charles

Clearly the shape of a conservative movement that can form a winning coalition is a vital topic of discussion. Where the fault lines are, whether it's possible to align with people you regard as nutjobs, whether what's left over without the "rightyflakes" has any chance to shape future policy, are all essential parts of that discussion.

(But I am surprised the Easter bomb plot in Britain hasn't yet earned its own thread. Especially with the massive screw-up by the Metropolitan Police's anti-terrorism chief, holding sensitive documents face-side out even after being warned of the ability of press photographers to capture fully readable images of them.)

186 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:11pm

re: #177 NYCHardhat

LMAO! I just got a hernia.

A HERnia?
That's something he'll never get.

187 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:16pm

re: #180 kansas

Dr. Bawney Fwank will check you out.

*flinch*

188 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:22pm

O.T. Kindle competition coming ?

$50 laptops.

189 Rancher  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:33pm

Supposedly Savage is all shtick, I wonder how genuine Beck is.

190 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:44pm

re: #151 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*meekly* ... can I turn this into a pun-thread now?

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I vote for a BOOBIE thread

191 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:11:02pm

The report that I heard is that the Pirates were initially chased away with water cannon & then came back with grappling hooks.

Did they actually have RPG's?

192 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:11:26pm

re: #166 opnion

Good post. He could cut out the crap & get serious.
If you have heard him on the radio, he is not nearly so over the top.
He gets on television & goes off of the rails.

I have heard his weepy weepy radio presentations, more than once. He is over the top. Always. It is what he does. He is very , very creepy.

193 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:11:55pm

re: #191 opnion

The report that I heard is that the Pirates were initially chased away with water cannon & then came back with grappling hooks.

Did they actually have RPG's?

The pirates? Sure seems so in all the pictures i see.

194 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:12:00pm

re: #191 opnion

The report that I heard is that the Pirates were initially chased away with water cannon & then came back with grappling hooks.

Did they actually have RPG's?

Seems like a few 50 calibers on the ship might be a good idea. Course someone might have to use them.

195 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:12:37pm

re: #190 Erik The Red

I vote for a BOOBIE thread

How crazy can you get, trying to HATCH that idea?

196 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:12:42pm

re: #167 Charles

Maybe it was in how I read it. It seemed to imply that there were hoards over there hijacking the thread to bash you. I can see in how you're defending yourself now that that was not your intended meaning. Maybe I'm just defensive (since I'm also a fan of Hotair).

197 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:12:54pm

re: #172 Son of the Black Dog

RPG's aimed at your bridge can be a powerful persuader.

Put a porthole in the side and one of those rockets you can launch from inside a room (as seen on "Future Weapons")
Then have the captain talking to the pirates so they don't notice what's going on until they're in the water.

198 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:13:00pm

re: #178 brookly red

Some of the shipping companies are looking into 'acoustic weapons'- loud, high-frequency, shrill noises focused and aimed at the attacking pirates.

There was an incident not too long ago where they were successfully used to ward off pirates attacking a cruise ship as it was departing the Red Sea.

199 jmctigret  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:13:23pm

I thought it was funny even though it did go over the top at the end. He useing political satire to make points. He like a Bill Maher but from the right side. I did hear his time slot is killing CNN and MSNBC in the rateings.
If you don't like his humor then listen to Rush which people say he the master at politcal satire.

Abraham Lincoln
We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland" (April 18, 1864)

200 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:13:27pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

He isn't a classic liberal. But I get your point, and the 101st should have taken care of him anyway.

He should have been banned from Iraq after his screw up.
To his credit though , he actually does support the troops. Other than that he is a smarmy jerk.

201 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:13:35pm

re: #145 opnion

As annoyiong as Geraldo is , I get that they are trying to show some balance. Beck on the otheer hand is an association that they should have avoided.
What do you mean about Napolitano?

I think that FNC achieves the balance in their use of their paid contributors. But to address your question on the Judge, well, he is a nutter in the same mold as Beck. As evidence, I cite this video from the Judge highlighting the Judge's admiration for Alex Jones, Ron Paul (who the Judge endorsed for President), and the odious Lew Rockwell.

Frankly, those associationa are as damning as Obama's associations with Pfleger, Wright, and Ayers.

202 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:13:38pm

re: #112 ellcon

Does that not somewhat contradict his campaign promises for ending the war the war in Iraq?

I do recall this being a central theme in his campaign.

203 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:13:57pm

PIRATES HOLD AMERICANS HOSTAGE
and what does our President and Sec/ State do?

Why ,,,,, have a nice picnic and play on the swings!

//
[Link: www.theroot.com...]

204 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #196 theuglydougling

My observation is that when you are in a hole, you stop digging. But knock yourself out there Dug.

205 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:07pm

re: #192 The Shadow Do

I have heard his weepy weepy radio presentations, more than once. He is over the top. Always. It is what he does. He is very , very creepy.

Oh, he's creepy.

206 JWill  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:17pm

I watched the videos this guy posted of himself while recovering from some surgical procedure, while still bare butt naked in his hospital gown. Those post operative procedure pain treatments can be somewhat alarming to some, a real shock to the system to others, and send yet others to a very dark place they never seem to fully come out of.

Glenn Beck went from being a fairly entertaining radio personality to a ranting, raving lunatic.

I don't think he could even hold down a regular job at this point.

And yet they keep giving him air time.

If I keep shaking my head like this I'm going to get arthritis in my neck.

Glenn Beck neck syndrome

207 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:21pm

re: #179 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sage advice.

/grabbing at the obvious first

Amchur you are not trying to derail this thread

208 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:32pm

re: #165 doppelganglander

I can't imagine how you could listen to both Levin and Savage and think they're similar. The rest of your comment is too crude to deserve a response.

Easy. They both yell. That obviously makes them ideological clones and intellectual equals.

/sarc

Methinks ellcon does not actually have the best interests of the Conservative movement at heart.

209 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:56pm

re: #193 Nevergiveup

The pirates? Sure seems so in all the pictures i see.

That would explain a lot.

210 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #148 razorbacker

Pietr,

I've replied with as many answers as I have to your gracious post (that ain't snark or sarcasm; he asked as a gentleman and I try to respond in like manner).

Second...

The Captain jumps in the water and tries to swim away. Pie-rats fire on him in order to force him back to the raft. Bainbridge crew is unaware of what is going on until they start shooting?

I'm just a growed-up river rat, and not ever had the benefit of U.S. Navy training, but I'd have had a lookout, with a backup lookout, watching that raft every moment.

Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20. It is the present that is often seen through the fog.

I'd guess that the captain entered the water making as little splash as possible and tried to swim away. he probably has his hands bound so was hampered. if both hands and feet are tied, he can only dolphin kick on his back and that would alert the pirates before someone from the ship saw him. Please remember that the crew took back the ship and forced the pirates off of it. They have watchers.

As tammy bruce said this moring.
4 marine snipers
4 bullets

211 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:15:21pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

The sweet smell of success?

Even the female employees didn't smell sweet after 800 miles in an un-airconditioned Chevette.

212 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:15:40pm

re: #116 kansas

Well, if there was a pattern of this I would think one of the easiest solutions would be to arm the vessel.

We do it on land quite a bit.

213 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #169 jaunte

Bill Schultz from Red Eye.

Just wondering, he bears a resemblance to someone.

214 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:15:58pm

re: #201 Athos

I think that FNC achieves the balance in their use of their paid contributors. But to address your question on the Judge, well, he is a nutter in the same mold as Beck. As evidence, I cite this video from the Judge highlighting the Judge's admiration for Alex Jones, Ron Paul (who the Judge endorsed for President), and the odious Lew Rockwell.

Frankly, those associationa are as damning as Obama's associations with Pfleger, Wright, and Ayers.

That's too bad, I didn't know that about him.

215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:19pm

re: #207 Creeping Eruption

Amchur you are not trying to derail this thread

Derailleur own thread. I'm not having anything to do with cycling.

216 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:26pm

re: #198 Fenway_Nation

Some of the shipping companies are looking into 'acoustic weapons'- loud, high-frequency, shrill noises focused and aimed at the attacking pirates.

There was an incident not too long ago where they were successfully used to ward off pirates attacking a cruise ship as it was departing the Red Sea.

I read about that one, & I think real weapons are better... but no reason not to have armor too - it couldn't hurt.

217 Rancher  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:29pm

re: #194 kansas

Seems like a few 50 calibers on the ship might be a good idea. Course someone might have to use them.

The companies refuse to let the crews arm due to liability and problems clearing customs.

218 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:30pm

re: #126 Eowyn2

Time is right: the Somali pirates are clearly conservative laissez-faire capitalists. If the pirates were progressive, they would invest the ransom money in day-care centers, community development organizations and universal health care. Instead they are building gated communities, importing Mercedes, and hiring undocumented workers to take care of their children.

/

219 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:43pm

re: #212 formercorpsman

That's what I was thinking. My Dad was a Merchant Marine, and they had machine guns on the Victory Ships.

220 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:44pm

re: #141 Charles

I always know I've hit a nerve when people start complaining: "Aren't there more important things to post about?"

Isn't that the truth! It's almost the same script too..

221 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:16:46pm

Anti-piracy device for ships:

The LRAD weighs about 210 kilograms and is capable of emitting sound within a 15 to 30 degree beam. The range of the LRAD is 300 to 500 meters and, at maximum volume, it can emit sound 50 times greater than the human threshold for pain so it can cause permanent damage.
[Link: www.tech-faq.com...]
222 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:10pm

re: #210 Eowyn2

I'd guess that the captain entered the water making as little splash as possible and tried to swim away. he probably has his hands bound so was hampered. if both hands and feet are tied, he can only dolphin kick on his back and that would alert the pirates before someone from the ship saw him. Please remember that the crew took back the ship and forced the pirates off of it. They have watchers.

As tammy bruce said this moring.
4 marine snipers
4 bullets

they are not exposed....that's why they should have night vision on that boat at all times...when he hit the water open up...didn't happen

223 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:16pm

Yes, Glenn--please do a Buddhist monk imitation. Immolation is the sincerest form of flattery.

224 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:21pm

Non-lethal pirate deterrents? Are you kidding me?

Hell-fucking-Lo!?!

They are PIRATES!

Stock each ship with RPGs. Have one crew member on lookout at all times - RPG in hand. Boat comes close - boat goes BOOM!

/problem solved.

225 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:22pm

re: #193 Nevergiveup

The pirates? Sure seems so in all the pictures i see.

5 million dollars in ransom buys a lot of weaponry on the black market

226 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:26pm

re: #204 kansas

I'm so glad you could insert yourself in this at the moment I was conceding to having misunderstood Charles' original quote.

227 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:29pm

re: #196 theuglydougling

Maybe it was in how I read it. It seemed to imply that there were hoards over there hijacking the thread to bash you. I can see in how you're defending yourself now that that was not your intended meaning. Maybe I'm just defensive (since I'm also a fan of Hotair).

Because you can't fucking read or lack comprehension.

Really late to this thread, but just checked over at LGF for a laugh and they are really trashing Beck. I can’t really comment too much on Glen because I haven’t heard him very much. Seems to like to use a lot of drama to prove his point. LGF seems to be going a bit over-board on this. I wouldn’t care as much if they weren’t also attacking the tea parties. What gives with them? Might as well go to Kos!

sandee on April 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I know I’m going to regret answering back strangelet, but here goes. Charles did have a great blogsite.Something in the last few months has changed over there. He deletes and bans anyone who disagrees with him on evolution,Global warming,and pretty much anyone he deems right-wingers. Seems he is reverting back to his dhimmicrat roots.Yes he was a dhimmi untill 9/11. Just saying.

sandee on April 10, 2009 at 1:08 PM

228 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:33pm

re: #174 kiwiviv

Or this:

Image: tongue-tattoo.jpg

229 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:34pm

These ships aren't armed for a reason.

/they couldn't get insurance and most ports would have a problem with armed cargo ships

230 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #217 Rancher

The companies refuse to let the crews arm due to liability and problems clearing customs.

Do the pirates have insurance? How do they clear customs?

231 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:53pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

PIRATES HOLD AMERICANS HOSTAGE
and what does our President and Sec/ State do?

Why ,,,,, have a nice picnic and play on the swings!

//
[Link: www.theroot.com...]

"Present!"

232 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:17:56pm

re: #37 ghengis was a wuss

I know you guys will probably flame me for this, but I rant like glenn beck myself sometimes because I'm enraged at what O is doing to my country. It is meant to be over-the-top absurd, like he (and I) feel the situation with O's presidency is becoming.

Ok, flame away at me.

Oh, I'm enraged about it too. But if attending a protest like this involves laying down with the lunatic fringe like Beck has obviously joined, I'll placate myself by sending letters expressing my outrage to my elected officials. . .the text of which probably won't mention things like book burnings or setting us on fire.

233 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:18:27pm

And I ask again

WTF is she LAUGHING about? (32 seconds in)

234 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:18:30pm

re: #226 theuglydougling

I'm so glad you could insert yourself in this at the moment I was conceding to having misunderstood Charles' original quote.

More than happy to do that.

235 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:18:37pm

re: #215 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Derailleur own thread. I'm not having anything to do with cycling.

With this caliper of puns, we won't have to brake the pun chain.

236 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #210 Eowyn2


As tammy bruce said this moring.
4 marine snipers
4 bullets


Again, enclosed lifeboat with a roof, no clear view inside.

237 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:19:08pm

re: #196 theuglydougling

Maybe it was in how I read it. It seemed to imply that there were hoards over there hijacking the thread to bash you. I can see in how you're defending yourself now that that was not your intended meaning. Maybe I'm just defensive (since I'm also a fan of Hotair).

There definitely are hordes of people over there who will bash me at the drop of a hat, whether the thread has anything to do with LGF or not. And if Allahpundit links to LGF, it reaches fever pitch. You never noticed any of that?

That thread was relatively mild, but again, the ranters came out even though AP's post had nothing to do with me.

238 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:19:37pm

re: #184 albusteve

vest up, pop on a hat and light up the Barrett...if they continue to approach let loose with a chain gun....someone going to arrest you for it?

Q-ship.

239 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

PIRATES HOLD AMERICANS HOSTAGE
and what does our President and Sec/ State do?

Why ,,,,, have a nice picnic and play on the swings!

//
[Link: www.theroot.com...]

Jimmy Carter School of Hostage Negotiation

240 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:19:54pm

re: #215 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Derailleur own thread. I'm not having anything to do with cycling.

My apologies, I did not intend to CLOVE a pun thread in two.

241 iLikeCandy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:20:04pm

re: #232 Yashmak

Oh, I'm enraged about it too. But if attending a protest like this involves laying down with the lunatic fringe like Beck has obviously joined, I'll placate myself by sending letters expressing my outrage to my elected officials. . .the text of which probably won't mention things like book burnings or setting us on fire.

Why do you allow the fringe to characterize the movement? That's like saying you won't join the military because you don't want to lie down with the Lynndie Englunds.

242 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:20:06pm

re: #229 Killian Bundy

These ships aren't armed for a reason.

/they couldn't get insurance and most ports would have a problem with armed cargo ships

in that case they need theft and kidnapping/hostage insurance....pass a law and make the insurers responsible financially

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:20:11pm

re: #223 calcajun

Yes, Glenn--please do a Buddhist monk imitation. Immolation is the sincerest form of flattery.

If he'd promise to do it, I'd chip in to pay him per Diem.

244 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #236 avanti

Again, enclosed lifeboat with a roof, no clear view inside.

Again ,, no ransom monies paid in the past,,, no hostage taking in the future!

start NOW

245 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:20:54pm

re: #224 Racer X

Non-lethal pirate deterrents? Are you kidding me?

Hell-fucking-Lo!?!

They are PIRATES!

Stock each ship with RPGs. Have one crew member on lookout at all times - RPG in hand. Boat comes close - boat goes BOOM!

/problem solved.

No weapons allowed on commercial ships, insurance won't allow it.

246 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:21:27pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

Again ,, no ransom monies paid in the past,,, no hostage taking in the future!

start NOW

probably too late in this case

247 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:21:40pm

I am register over at HotAir but always forget my damn pass word.

I will leave it to Snow to carry the flag :)

He deletes and bans anyone who disagrees with him on evolution,Global warming,and pretty much anyone he deems right-wingers.

sandee on April 10, 2009 at 1:08 PM

That’s pretty much what every LGF stalker would have you believe. For all of Charles’ and LGF’s supposed irrelevance, there sure seems to be an awful lot of people talking about it.

Charles deletes comments that reflect poorly on LGF and would be used against him by his critics, usually on the left, to cast LGF, and by extension, all conservatives, as crackpots, warmongers, racists, whatever. What he will delete is pretty well understood, and listed at the top of every comment thread. Any secondary rules, such as links to WND or what have you, will lead to a deletion and a warning or gentle reminder for anyone that posts them.

He bans very few people with no warning, but every one that gets an instant stick deserves it, including previously banned users trying to re-register. The rest are people that don’t listen to warnings, often repeated warnings, about how they act and what they post. Those are frequently trolls or Mobys that are not there to discuss, but to disrupt. For instance, anyone that insists that Charles efforts to expose people and groups trying to push creationism, or its little brother intelligent design, into public school science classes, is simply a crusade against every Christian lizard, are likely to get banned pretty quick. No matter how many times it is said that evolution and Christian faith are not mutually exclusive, there will be somebody that just insists that teaching evolution is some grand scheme to make everyone an atheist. (You know, like the Pope.) They’re almost as bad as the Birchers are with communism.

CyanSnowHawk on April 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

248 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #219 kansas

If I recall, there might be some type of treat, legislation, etc. ( I really do not know) that prevents them from doing so.

I can't fathom in this day and age, we can't find a way to at least shift the balance from no chance to a fighting chance.

249 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:21:59pm

re: #245 avanti

No weapons allowed on commercial ships, insurance won't allow it.

Change insurance carriers, pay an extra premium

problem solved

250 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:22:09pm

re: #206 JWill

Beck is a recovering alcoholic, which seems to be why the pain meds had a very bad effect on him. I don't want to engage in ad hominem attacks, but I really think he is not emotionally stable.

251 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:22:22pm

re: #228 stuiec

Or this:

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

Ok...you win!

252 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #245 avanti

No weapons allowed on commercial ships, insurance won't allow it.

Because insurance companies have been making such great decisions lately.

253 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:22:43pm

re: #227 Erik The Red

Such lovely language for a simple misunderstanding. And yes, those were two of the quotes I read over there...out of hundreds. So maybe you think I didn't see those comments? Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned having seen some of those objectionable comments. Comprehension, indeed.

254 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #245 avanti

No weapons allowed on commercial ships, insurance won't allow it.

The only thing these ships have to hurl at pirates is expletives.......
/

255 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:22:58pm

re: #239 Eowyn2

Jimmy Carter School of Hostage Negotiation

Even Jimmy is calling 0bama a pussy.

256 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:23:09pm

re: #227 Erik The Red

Because you can't fucking read or lack comprehension.

Really late to this thread, but just checked over at LGF for a laugh and they are really trashing Beck. I can’t really comment too much on Glen because I haven’t heard him very much. Seems to like to use a lot of drama to prove his point. LGF seems to be going a bit over-board on this. I wouldn’t care as much if they weren’t also attacking the tea parties. What gives with them? Might as well go to Kos!

sandee on April 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I know I’m going to regret answering back strangelet, but here goes. Charles did have a great blogsite.Something in the last few months has changed over there. He deletes and bans anyone who disagrees with him on evolution,Global warming,and pretty much anyone he deems right-wingers. Seems he is reverting back to his dhimmicrat roots.Yes he was a dhimmi untill 9/11. Just saying.

sandee on April 10, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Sandee sounds like a moby to me.

257 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:23:45pm

re: #234 kansas

Thanks for having a sense of humor about it.:P

258 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:23:49pm

re: #222 albusteve

they are not exposed....that's why they should have night vision on that boat at all times...when he hit the water open up...didn't happen

I thought the same thing until I realized that they might not have full access to the life raft sight wise. I really wish the guy had gotten away.
Yes, they should have night vision goggles but they are probably just as banned as weapons on cargo ships. -

This Ship was a Gun Free Zone
it works well, when it works

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:23:50pm

re: #235 Kosh's Shadow

With this caliper of puns, we won't have to brake the pun chain.

Good words have been spoke.

/That tired me out, so I will now take a seat and wait for the next comment frame which is filled to the rim.

260 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:23:54pm

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Are there no Bill Buckley's left in this world?

Unfortunately there are none present in the national spotlight. The keynote speaker at CPAC spoke out in an anti-intellectual tone and made reference to conservative elites that he perceives as ruining the party. The mean to an end seams to be taking on what seam to be a "common man" tone or rhetoric which they think will both rally the base (whatever that means) and garner new voters.

This will not work since it will only attract extremists and will scare of you voters even further then they already have. People will argue with me that people like Glenn Beck, et al, have no effect on the GOP but I disagree. Furthermore, on a certain level Glenn Beck is harming Mitt Romney's future in the national scene because of Beck's association as a Mormon.

261 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:24:11pm

re: #255 soxfan4life

Even Jimmy is calling 0bama a pussy.

Ha!. Jimmy the Rabbit Heart.....
/

262 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #136 karmic_inquisitor

The most ironic thing about your response is it's total ignorance of context, which is strange seeing that context is provided in a nicely formatted block quote directly above said original comment. For clarity, absolutism is bad, and classifying anything as 100% right or wrong usually concludes with you looking silly. I'll make sure to encapsulate my comments in the (now obviously) necessary 'sarc' tag.

263 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #37 ghengis was a wuss

I know you guys will probably flame me for this, but I rant like glenn beck myself sometimes because I'm enraged at what O is doing to my country. It is meant to be over-the-top absurd, like he (and I) feel the situation with O's presidency is becoming.

Ok, flame away at me.

Flame, flame, flame!
Happy?
I think Glenn Beck has a decent shot at replacing Andy Rooney in another 25 years.

I do note that this is the second Glenn Beck topic in a row, today ...

How about some OT controversy: I read this from the Pajamas Media:
It’s Time to Bring the Boys Home from World War II

I liked the article because I can support arguments from both sides.
I'm putting it in the spinoff links.

264 iLikeCandy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:00pm

re: #255 soxfan4life

Even Jimmy is calling 0bama a pussy.

Whoa! Where?

265 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #237 Charles

There definitely are hordes of people over there who will bash me at the drop of a hat, whether the thread has anything to do with LGF or not. And if Allahpundit links to LGF, it reaches fever pitch. You never noticed any of that?

That thread was relatively mild, but again, the ranters came out even though AP's post had nothing to do with me.

Not that you need corroboration, but I spend a fair amount of HotAir, and I've seen what you describe. I call it the non-sequitor train to Charlesville.

266 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #258 Eowyn2

I thought the same thing until I realized that they might not have full access to the life raft sight wise. I really wish the guy had gotten away.
Yes, they should have night vision goggles but they are probably just as banned as weapons on cargo ships. -

This Ship was a Gun Free Zone
it works well, when it works

I'm talking about the Navy...they took their eye off the ball

267 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:30pm

re: #236 avanti

Are you ok with a water cannon?

This is not stuff that started happening yesterday.

268 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:41pm

re: #240 Creeping Eruption

My apologies, I did not intend to CLOVE a pun thread in two.

I can see that you rosemary this morning.

269 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:47pm

re: #237 Charles

There definitely are hordes of people over there who will bash me at the drop of a hat, whether the thread has anything to do with LGF or not. And if Allahpundit links to LGF, it reaches fever pitch. You never noticed any of that?

That thread was relatively mild, but again, the ranters came out even though AP's post had nothing to do with me.

Herd mentality. They love a pile on party over there.

270 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:57pm

re: #224 Racer X

Nonlethal weapons may pass muster under international law for commercial civilian shipping, but it isn't a solution. Neither is arming them.

Sending the various navies of the world to destroy the safe havens on shore and destroying the Somali boats and mothercraft will.

Telling the shipping companies to cease all talks and stop paying ransoms for their crews will help. The economic incentives are what is driving the high seas terrorism. Eliminate the incentives, you eliminate or severely reduce the profit for the risks involved - especially when the Somalis see dead pirates all over the place.

It means giving the pirates no quarter.

It means that some civilians will pay the price for the chance of freeing the rest.

It means that the world must stop treating this as just a minor annoyance, instead of a symptom of the failed states that dot key waterways around the world.

271 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:58pm

re: #265 capitalist piglet

PIMF! a fair amount of time at HotAir. (And, what I originally said.)

272 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:26:14pm

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can see that you rosemary this morning.

Thyme to stop the puns methinks....

273 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:26:52pm

re: #238 Son of the Black Dog

Q-ship.

one up-ding ... and a zillion heh's!

/oooo, dat 'd HURT!

274 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:27:14pm

re: #272 Mithrax

Thyme to stop the puns methinks....

I will be solenoid if the puns stop........

275 Salem  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:27:32pm

You know what? I think I'll watch whatever the fuck I want and not apologize for it.

276 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:27:45pm

re: #253 theuglydougling

Such lovely language for a simple misunderstanding. And yes, those were two of the quotes I read over there...out of hundreds. So maybe you think I didn't see those comments? Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned having seen some of those objectionable comments. Comprehension, indeed.

No misunderstanding about it. You came back twice and said you saw nothing wrong with the comments from the posters over at HotAir.
If you don't like the language cover your ears.

I don't need a lecture.

277 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:27:46pm

re: #237 Charles

There definitely are hordes of people over there who will bash me at the drop of a hat, whether the thread has anything to do with LGF or not. And if Allahpundit links to LGF, it reaches fever pitch. You never noticed any of that?

That thread was relatively mild, but again, the ranters came out even though AP's post had nothing to do with me.

Yes, I completely get that they're over there; I was only commenting on that one particular thread.

I get tired of it, the Allahpundit and LGF bashing. I don't always agree with you both, but I appreciate your keeping the readers honest and not turning into Obama-esque zombies. Some just don't get it and I'm sad for them.

278 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:27:54pm

re: #210 Eowyn2

As tammy bruce said this moring.
4 marine snipers
4 bullets

Have you seen a picture of the "lifeboat"? It is more like a life capsule. Fully enclosed with storm proof hatches. Looks like it is made of heavy duty PVC or fiberglass composite. Can't see anyone who's inside it - much less shoot at them.

279 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:27:55pm

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can see that you rosemary this morning.

Maybe, but I'm no Crank who acts like an Anise

280 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:28:11pm

re: #241 iLikeCandy

Why do you allow the fringe to characterize the movement? That's like saying you won't join the military because you don't want to lie down with the Lynndie Englunds.

I don't. I can help accomplish the movement's goals without having to subject myself to the ranting of the Glenn Becks of the world. I can do it without having to rub elbows with folks sincerely calling for the burning of books. I might be more prone to attend a rally of this sort, if I thought it likely that the media would actually report on any aspect of it besides the ranting of the crazier elements present.

I cannot tolerate crackpots and facists, any more than Charles does on this site.

281 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #266 albusteve

I'm talking about the Navy...they took their eye off the ball

/they certainly were asleep at the switch and missed a golden opportunity when the good captain jumped ship last night, attempting to escape

282 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:28:48pm

re: #278 Son of the Black Dog

Have you seen a picture of the "lifeboat"? It is more like a life capsule. Fully enclosed with storm proof hatches. Looks like it is made of heavy duty PVC or fiberglass composite. Can't see anyone who's inside it - much less shoot at them.

Then how did the captian mange to jump into the water?

283 Rancher  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:29:03pm

I thought the lifeboat was covered by US warships and Navy SEALs.


re: #258 Eowyn2

I thought the same thing until I realized that they might not have full access to the life raft sight wise. I really wish the guy had gotten away.
Yes, they should have night vision goggles but they are probably just as banned as weapons on cargo ships. -

This Ship was a Gun Free Zone
it works well, when it works

284 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:29:04pm

re: #270 lawhawk

Nonlethal weapons may pass muster under international law for commercial civilian shipping, but it isn't a solution. Neither is arming them.

Sending the various navies of the world to destroy the safe havens on shore and destroying the Somali boats and mothercraft will.

Telling the shipping companies to cease all talks and stop paying ransoms for their crews will help. The economic incentives are what is driving the high seas terrorism. Eliminate the incentives, you eliminate or severely reduce the profit for the risks involved - especially when the Somalis see dead pirates all over the place.

It means giving the pirates no quarter.

It means that some civilians will pay the price for the chance of freeing the rest.

It means that the world must stop treating this as just a minor annoyance, instead of a symptom of the failed states that dot key waterways around the world.

that right there is the deal breaker...too many hostages already and people will freak if they are sacrificed

285 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:29:25pm

re: #278 Son of the Black Dog

re: #282 sattv4u2

Then how did the captian mange MANAGE to jump into the water?


PIMF

286 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:29:47pm

re: #256 doppelganglander

Sandee sounds like a moby to me.

Those were quotes from HotAir. IIRC sandee used to post here and was banned. I may be mixed up tho.

287 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:29:52pm

re: #278 Son of the Black Dog

Have you seen a picture of the "lifeboat"? It is more like a life capsule. Fully enclosed with storm proof hatches. Looks like it is made of heavy duty PVC or fiberglass composite. Can't see anyone who's inside it - much less shoot at them.

girlz

288 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:30:25pm

re: #272 Mithrax

Thyme to stop the puns methinks....

Pepper me with more of those silly suggestions.
Assault my senses ... I LOVE IT!

289 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:30:27pm

re: #202 formercorpsman

Does that not somewhat contradict his campaign promises for ending the war the war in Iraq?

I do recall this being a central theme in his campaign.

Exactly right. Now we get to see if the Obama-stalwarts come out and bash their savior, and if the war-supporters of the previous 8 years come out to praise their nemesis. Interesting dynamics at work here...

290 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:30:38pm

re: #284 albusteve

that right there is the deal breaker...too many hostages already and people will freak if they are sacrificed

No one wants to be known as the guy who decided someone was expendable.

291 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:30:56pm

When you're the president of the United States, only the best pizza will do - even if that means flying a chef 860 miles.

Chris Sommers, 33, jetted into Washington from St Louis, Missouri, on Thursday with a suitcase of dough, cheese and pans to to prepare food for the Obamas and their staff.

He had apparently been handpicked after the President had tasted his pizzas on the campaign trail last autumn.


suitcase of dough, cheese and pans

292 vxbush  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:03pm

re: #188 avanti

O.T. Kindle competition coming ?

$50 laptops.

An interesting idea.....

293 Spiritualized  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:07pm

Charles - check out 'Newswipe' by a guy called Charlie Brooker, a BBC show (1% of the time they get it right). Fox was covered this week and Glenn Beck in particular gets a deserved roasting:

Charlie Brooker on British and American TV News

There's a shorter clip here on the media's grim obsession with serial killers. It's interspersed with the views of a forensic psychiatrist who advises the complete opposite of what the MSM currently is doing.

294 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:08pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

re: #282 sattv4u2


PIMF

Where are our Seals? Shouldn't they be in the water? WTF is goingf on out there.

295 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:09pm

re: #272 Mithrax

Thyme to stop the puns methinks....

Sage advice

296 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #276 Erik The Red

Um, I never once said that I "saw nothing wrong with the comments."

297 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:55pm

re: #247 Erik The Red

Your Hot Air password is 'sexpert'.

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:31:57pm

re: #266 albusteve

I'm talking about the Navy...they took their eye off the ball

As jcm brought up on the prior thread, the Bainbridge's captain may well have his hands tied.

299 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:32:00pm

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sage advice

I think these puns are positively Angelica

300 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:32:23pm

Enclosed lifeboat
[Link: images.google.com...]

301 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:32:43pm

re: #294 Bobblehead

Where are our Seals? Shouldn't they be in the water? WTF is goingf on out there.

Not to mention, why isn;t the pirate mother ship now "sleeping with the fishes". I can see not sinking the lifeboat with our American on board. but why not sink the ship from where these scumbags came from !?!?!?!?!

302 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:04pm

re: #267 formercorpsman

Are you ok with a water cannon?

This is not stuff that started happening yesterday.

I'm fine with a burning oil, but the water cannons have not worked. The insurance companies know that giving 3rd world crews firearms just means mutinies instead of pirates.

303 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:12pm

re: #297 debutaunt

Your Hot Air password is 'sexpert'.

Damn I should be able to remember that. :)

304 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:22pm

re: #258 Eowyn2

I thought the same thing until I realized that they might not have full access to the life raft sight wise. I really wish the guy had gotten away.
Yes, they should have night vision goggles but they are probably just as banned as weapons on cargo ships. -

This Ship was a Gun Free Zone
it works well, when it works

You seem to have the impression that the Maersk Alabama is still on-site. She is not; she has gone on her way. The ships on site are U.S. Navy vessels. I'd be willing to be my retirement (Okay, small change, admittedly) that they have night vision googles.

305 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:35pm

re: #290 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No one wants to be known as the guy who decided someone was expendable.

the price for doing nothing in the first place...I'd withdraw from any international convention and have the feds insure the damned things, but arm them to the teeth and get some Navy firepower over there...all the while fixing the problem ashore...it's not that complicated, or wasn't at the beginning

306 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

re: #282 sattv4u2


PIMF

The who?

307 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:46pm

re: #301 sattv4u2

Not to mention, why isn;t the pirate mother ship now "sleeping with the fishes". I can see not sinking the lifeboat with our American on board. but why not sink the ship from where these scumbags came from !?!?!?!?!

Do they know where it is? Last I heard, these pirates came off a small boat, which subsequently sank. That's why they're on a lifeboat now, rather than their own boat.

308 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:51pm

re: #278 Son of the Black Dog

Have you seen a picture of the "lifeboat"? It is more like a life capsule. Fully enclosed with storm proof hatches. Looks like it is made of heavy duty PVC or fiberglass composite. Can't see anyone who's inside it - much less shoot at them.

When the captain tried to (did) jump out, the proper response would have been to open the '50's up as cover fire, recover the captain, and sail off.

Killian Bundy has it right.

309 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:02pm

re: #293 Spiritualized

Interesting.

310 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:04pm

re: #245 avanti

No weapons allowed on commercial ships, insurance won't allow it.

If these lines hired professional security like Blackwater, they would no doubt get insuance discounts.

311 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #301 sattv4u2

Not to mention, why isn;t the pirate mother ship now "sleeping with the fishes". I can see not sinking the lifeboat with our American on board. but why not sink the ship from where these scumbags came from !?!?!?!?!

Somebody needs to sink that "MOTHER"


/S

312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:34pm

re: #274 LGoPs

I will be solenoid if the puns stop........

I'll relay that on.

313 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:34pm

glenn beck is obama's biggest ally

314 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:37pm

re: #311 Dustyvet

Somebody needs to sink that "MOTHER"

/S

We need to go the Puntland and sink ALL of them

315 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:37pm

re: #250 doppelganglander

Beck is a recovering alcoholic, which seems to be why the pain meds had a very bad effect on him. I don't want to engage in ad hominem attacks, but I really think he is not emotionally stable.

He needs to go back to drinking. Sort of rounds off the edges and all.

316 pegcity  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:38pm

wow and in canada we have the CBC doing yet another story on Seals

317 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:42pm

Mark Levin has been taking frequent shots at Beck, without mentioning him by name. Levin was railing against 'false messiahs' and clownish antics. There is no doubt in my mind whom he was referring to.

318 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:46pm

re: #208 stuiec

Yelling/ranting is the shtick, the ratings booster, grant me that eh? I by no means believe they are ideological clones, or equals. Also remember that Levin has a very high nasally voice, while Savage is more gravelly. See - different!

319 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:34:51pm

re: #294 Bobblehead

Where are our Seals? Shouldn't they be in the water? WTF is goingf on out there.

probably in a sub on the way...big ass ocean

320 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:01pm

re: #305 albusteve

the price for doing nothing in the first place...I'd withdraw from any international convention and have the feds insure the damned things, but arm them to the teeth and get some Navy firepower over there...all the while fixing the problem ashore...it's not that complicated, or wasn't at the beginning

This could help: USS Freedom. As I understand it, Gates budget has room for two more. Pirates leave the shore, she comes in behind them and blows them out of the water. :)

321 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:02pm

re: #284 albusteve

that right there is the deal breaker...too many hostages already and people will freak if they are sacrificed

That is what the pirates and terrorists are counting on.

322 mjwsatx  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:03pm

Unfortunately this is what happens when social change happens so quickly, when times are tough, when politicians are out of touch and when the average person feels disenfranchised. You get loud obnoxious polemics like Glenn Beck who step forward to galvanize the people. This is where we are at and it ain't getting any better.

323 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:05pm
324 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:30pm

re: #254 LGoPs

The only thing these ships have to hurl at pirates is expletives.......
/

Or spitballs.

325 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:42pm

re: #291 Dustyvet

When you're the president of the United States, only the best pizza will do - even if that means flying a chef 860 miles.

Chris Sommers, 33, jetted into Washington from St Louis, Missouri, on Thursday with a suitcase of dough, cheese and pans to to prepare food for the Obamas and their staff.

He had apparently been handpicked after the President had tasted his pizzas on the campaign trail last autumn.


suitcase of dough, cheese and pans

That's not important. What Americans want to know need to be instructed on is how much Sarah Palin spent on her wardrobe during the campaign......
////////

326 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:35:55pm

The way these pirates get so far out from shore in such small boats is simple.

They are carried in larger boats, which dispatch the small boats to attack identified targets.

Now ask me why those larger boats are still afloat.

327 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:36:04pm

Ha! Awesome! Some of my comments here have been dinged down. And I believe that this thread is my first to comment on. I have truly arrived!

Gee, great. What a wonderful first impression I've made. :(

328 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:36:05pm

Now the left wing guys are making fun of the right's pizza gate story.

pizza gate.

329 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:36:21pm

I hope the negotiators on out side are offering the Pie-rats one thing: the ability to continue breathing. Otherwise, the offer should be "hand over our guy or you will meet Allah face to face"

330 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:36:26pm

re: #292 vxbush

An interesting idea.....

Terrific Idea. Upding for posting the link!

331 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:36:44pm

re: #289 ellcon

Well no, it is not quite so simple as you are making it out be.

You forgot to first deal with his contradiction prior to throwing down the moral equivalence card.

332 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:36:59pm

re: #328 avanti

The right freaked out when Michelle planted a garden too. Idiots.

333 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:37:10pm

re: #319 albusteve

probably in a sub on the way...big ass ocean

Maybe they can scoop up the life raft with an LST. Contain the situation.

334 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:37:16pm

re: #327 theuglydougling

Yeah dude, its all about you.

335 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:37:20pm

re: #320 Creeping Eruption

This could help: USS Freedom. As I understand it, Gates budget has room for two more. Pirates leave the shore, she comes in behind them and blows them out of the water. :)

what is it?....a littoral fighter?

336 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:37:30pm

re: #328 avanti

Now the left wing guys are making fun of the right's pizza gate story.

pizza gate.

Didn't that happen, like, yesterday? Can't we move on? People are thinking about economy.....

/

337 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:37:44pm

re: #319 albusteve

probably in a sub on the way...big ass ocean


US warship with helicopters joins pirate standoff
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Where there are copters,, there are seals

338 thatemailname  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:37:53pm

Suggestion - everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Remember what Edwin Newman (I think) said about television: if you don't understand it as a business, you don't understand it.
Beck has a schtick - using the entire of range of human emotions to get his point across. It's his schtick, see, his attempt at being entertaining and getting noticed, because he wants ratings, because TV is a business. That's all there is - not at all worthy of notice given all the serious events transpiring these days.

339 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #326 razorbacker

The way these pirates get so far out from shore in such small boats is simple.

They are carried in larger boats, which dispatch the small boats to attack identified targets.

Now ask me why those larger boats are still afloat.

because they always carry their Master Card....hostages

340 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #319 albusteve

probably in a sub on the way...big ass ocean

I know. It's so frustrating. That we can't get one very brave man back.....grrr

341 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:09pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

The right freaked out when Michelle planted a garden too. Idiots.

that even pissed me off...pretty shallow

342 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:17pm

re: #335 albusteve

what is it?....a littoral fighter?

Yup. Beautiful. I went to its commissioning where they had reps from all the defense contractors who worked on it. It is also modular. You can drop in all these cool packages (weapons, intelligence gathering, etc.) depending on the mission.

343 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:19pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

The right freaked out when Michelle planted a garden too. Idiots.

I missed that but I can see it happening. What are we going to call the even? Gardengate? Sort of like that whole sleeveless brouhaha. What a waste of energy and terrible PR.

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #291 Dustyvet

When you're the president of the United States, only the best pizza will do - even if that means flying a chef 860 miles.

Chris Sommers, 33, jetted into Washington from St Louis, Missouri, on Thursday with a suitcase of dough, cheese and pans to to prepare food for the Obamas and their staff.

He had apparently been handpicked after the President had tasted his pizzas on the campaign trail last autumn.


suitcase of dough, cheese and pans

Not unlike a De Medici commissioning Cellini to do a statue.
America, welcome your new Royalty with humble genuflection.

/

345 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #286 Erik The Red

Those were quotes from HotAir. IIRC sandee used to post here and was banned. I may be mixed up tho.

Right, I knew they were from Hot Air. I don't recall sandee, but you may be right. The comments just struck me as a little formulaic.

346 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:39:55pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

Then how did the captian mange to jump into the water?

I'm gonna guess that they let him stand up in the hatch to take a leak.

347 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:01pm

re: #337 sattv4u2

US warship with helicopters joins pirate standoff
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Where there are copters,, there are seals

The guided-missile frigate USS Halyburton

Heh.

348 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:05pm

re: #293 Spiritualized

Wonderful clip. And, the Brits master their language so much better than we do.

349 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OG The right THAT HAS ODS freaked out when Michelle planted a garden too. Idiots.

FTFY

350 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:16pm

re: #333 Gus 802

Maybe they can scoop up the life raft with an LST. Contain the situation.

call James Bond

351 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:18pm

re: #296 theuglydougling

Um, I never once said that I "saw nothing wrong with the comments."

I am tired of you already.
#115

#150

GAZE

352 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:23pm

re: #338 thatemailname

Suggestion - everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Remember what Edwin Newman (I think) said about television: if you don't understand it as a business, you don't understand it.
Beck has a schtick - using the entire of range of human emotions to get his point across. It's his schtick, see, his attempt at being entertaining and getting noticed, because he wants ratings, because TV is a business. That's all there is - not at all worthy of notice given all the serious events transpiring these days.

Stop that. That's classified information -- the kind you should charge people $50 to attend the seminar to obtain.

353 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:24pm

re: #338 thatemailname

Suggestion - everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Remember what Edwin Newman (I think) said about television: if you don't understand it as a business, you don't understand it.
Beck has a schtick - using the entire of range of human emotions to get his point across. It's his schtick, see, his attempt at being entertaining and getting noticed, because he wants ratings, because TV is a business. That's all there is - not at all worthy of notice given all the serious events transpiring these days.

I can go with that

354 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:24pm

re: #300 jaunte

Enclosed lifeboat
[Link: images.google.com...]

/perfect environment for stun grenades

355 iLikeCandy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #280 Yashmak

I don't. I can help accomplish the movement's goals without having to subject myself to the ranting of the Glenn Becks of the world.

You can attend a teaparty without listening to Glenn Beck. (I'm not saying you should; just that I don't see why you're conflating these two things.)

I can do it without having to rub elbows with folks sincerely calling for the burning of books.

Now I think you're letting your enemies define you. What percentage of tea-partyers are book-burners? As far as I know, Glenn Beck is the only one to have talked about burning books. Have there been any signs at tea parties saying "Burn books"? Are there any prominent tea partiers condoning book-burning?

I might be more prone to attend a rally of this sort, if I thought it likely that the media would actually report on any aspect of it besides the ranting of the crazier elements present.

You'd stay away from something you (could) support because the MSM will distort it? Would that include an appearance by a conservative candidate whom you support? A Support The Troops rally? A protest against academic anti-Semitism?

356 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:40:35pm

re: #347 Russkilitlover

Heh.

Captain Cheney at the wheel perhaps?

357 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #350 albusteve

call James Bond

Bond, James Bond.

358 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:41:14pm

re: #337 sattv4u2

US warship with helicopters joins pirate standoff
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Where there are copters,, there are seals

USS Halyburton (FFG 40)

USS HALYBURTON is the 31st OLIVER HAZARD PERRY - class guided missile frigate and the sixth ship in that class built by Todd in Seattle.

General Characteristics: Keel Laid: September 26, 1980
Launched: October 13, 1981
Commissioned: January 7, 1984
Builder: Todd Pacific Shipyards Co., Seattle Division, Seattle, Wash.
Propulsion system: two General Electric LM 2500 gas turbines, two 350 Horsepower Electric Drive Auxiliary Propulsion Units
Propellers: one
Blades on each Propeller: five
Length: 453 feet (138 meters)
Beam: 47 feet (14.32 meters)
Draft: 24,6 feet (7.5 meters)
Displacement: 4,100 tons
Speed: 28+ knots
Aircraft: two SH-60 Sea Hawk (LAMPS 3)
Armament: one Mk 75 76mm/62 caliber rapid firing gun, MK 32 ASW torpedo tubes (two triple mounts), one Phalanx CIWS
Homeport: Mayport, Fla.
Crew: 17 Officers and 198 Enlisted

359 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:41:49pm

re: #334 MrPaulRevere

It was a joke.

360 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:41:50pm

re: #349 sattv4u2

They were all Code Pink plants posing as conservatives paid by Soros!

361 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:41:53pm

re: #339 albusteve

because they always carry their Master Card....hostages

They have hostages until they dispatch small boats and take a ship. The hostages are on the taken ships.

The Indian Navy, or the Chinese, I don't remember which, have already sunk at least one mothership.

As far a paying ransoms, I guess I can only fall back on the old adage that you subsidise that which you want more of, and tax that which you want less of.

362 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:42:15pm

re: #356 Desert Dog

Captain Cheney at the wheel perhaps?

If only....

363 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:42:19pm

Obama Reaches Out to 'Moderate' Pirate Community


After maintaining his silence for two days, President Obama will soon make his first public statement about the pirate attack upon an U.S.-flagged vessel off the Horn of Africa. After several inquiries and a few well-placed bribes, Exurban League has received an early transcript of the President's remarks:

Image source.
Good evening. As you know, early yesterday, Somali-based pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama, a freighter carrying relief supplies to Kenya. While we do not yet know all the details, the Alabama's crew re-took control of the vessel and forced the pirates off the ship.

Since the pirates are still holding the captain, I have sent FBI negotiators to facilitate his safe and speedy release. I assure his friends and family that I will not stop until this man-made disaster is resolved in a peaceful, tolerant and ecologically-sound manner.

Obviously, this incident has raised many concerns among Americans. There have been calls for justice and even violence against the misguided perpetrators. But such an emotional reaction has led to the disparagement of entire groups with which we are unfamiliar. We have seen this throughout history.

For too long, America has been too dismissive of the proud culture and invaluable contributions of the Pirate Community. Whether it is their pioneering work with prosthetics, husbandry of tropical birds or fanciful fashion sense, America owes a deep debt to Pirates.

The past eight years have shown a failure to appreciate the historic role of these noble seafarers. Instead of celebrating their entreprenuerial spirit and seeking to partner with them to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

Some of us wonder if our current Overseas Contingency Operation would even be needed had the last administration not been so quick to label Pirates as "thieves," "terrorists" and worse. Such swashbucklaphobia can lead to tragic results, as we have seen this week.

To address this issue, I have instructed Vice President Joe Biden to create a cabinet-level Czar of Pirate Outreach and Buccaneer Interrelation. In addition, June 1-7 has been designated as Pirate Awareness Week, during which all federal buildings will fly the Jolly Roger and sponsor sensitivity training. Thankfully, my American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will fund free grog and hard tack for all attendees.

Finally, to all pirates listening to international broadcasts, shortwave services and ship-to-shore radio, let me say this:

Ahoy, me regret arr relationship has set sail in a scurvy manner. Arr people share many mutual 'alues and concerns on t' raging main. Perchance, could ye handsomely release the cap'n o' the ship and I assure that no harm will come t' ye or ye hearties. Let us smite t' reset button and launch our seabond on a new pegleg. Savvy? Godspeed t' ye and t' ye beauties. Aye, me parrot concurs.


[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

364 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #351 Erik The Red

Okey doke.

365 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:42:48pm
366 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #342 Creeping Eruption

Yup. Beautiful. I went to its commissioning where they had reps from all the defense contractors who worked on it. It is also modular. You can drop in all these cool packages (weapons, intelligence gathering, etc.) depending on the mission.

re: #342 Creeping Eruption

Yup. Beautiful. I went to its commissioning where they had reps from all the defense contractors who worked on it. It is also modular. You can drop in all these cool packages (weapons, intelligence gathering, etc.) depending on the mission.

build em and get em on line

367 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #294 Bobblehead

Where are our Seals? Shouldn't they be in the water? WTF is goingf on out there.

Like I said upthread, one grenade dropped anywhere nearby in the water would ruin everybody's evening.

368 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:43:31pm

re: #354 Killian Bundy

re: #358 jcm

Looks like the stun grenades just arrived.

369 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:43:35pm

re: #338 thatemailname

We don't need our own Olberman, thank you very much.

370 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:43:37pm

re: #335 albusteve

what is it?....a littoral fighter?

LCS 1 - littoral command ship. It's designed to fight in close to shore where bigger ships are more susceptible to smaller craft.

It wouldn't have stopped this particular attack on the Maersk Alabama, which was several hundred miles out to sea when it was overtaken by the pirates.

371 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:43:43pm

re: #360 Killgore Trout

They were all Code Pink plants posing as conservatives paid by Soros!

I didn;'t say that. I said it was a very small percentage of "conservatives"

YOU stated that "conservatives freaked" , like it was all of us

372 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:44:02pm

Maybe Beck will set a facsimile of Obama's famous pizza on fire tonight. Its come to this.

373 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:44:09pm

re: #359 theuglydougling

It was a joke.

You have to remember to wrap any joke, sarcasm, ironic statement, snide remark, or devil's advocate remark in the appropriate tag.

374 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:44:13pm

To be clear, I think Beck has 100X the substance of Keith Olbermann. But we all know what happens when you multiply any number by zero (or at least some of us do).

375 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:44:46pm

re: #327 theuglydougling

Ha! Awesome! Some of my comments here have been dinged down. And I believe that this thread is my first to comment on. I have truly arrived!

Gee, great. What a wonderful first impression I've made. :(

LGF is a tough room. Be honest stick to you guns and don't shit on the hosts carpet and you may survive.

376 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:44:55pm

re: #358 jcm

and four .50s, according to Wikipedia

/the rest is unusable against that lifeboat ... F*cking seagoing paperweight

377 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:45:17pm

re: #367 Son of the Black Dog

Like I said upthread, one grenade dropped anywhere nearby in the water would ruin everybody's evening.

Again, I know..Just frustrated that our guys haven't been able to get a handle on this.

378 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:45:33pm

re: #361 razorbacker

pimf-They don't have hostages until

379 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:45:53pm

Goodnight all, and to those of you celebrating Easter, I hope yours is a happy and healthy one.

380 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:46:09pm

I wish someone would introduce Glenn Beck to that magical drug called Lithium.

381 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:46:16pm

re: #373 ellcon

You have to remember to wrap any joke, sarcasm, ironic statement, snide remark, or devil's advocate remark in the appropriate tag.

Not necessarily. If you're a clever enough wordsmith you can make your point with the joke, sarcasm, ironic statement, snide remark, or devil's advocate remark and all will know it was meant as /////

Practice, son,,,, practice!

382 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:46:35pm

re: #363 Dustyvet

Ha, that's good. I can tell you what might happen from that. People are going to read the headline, Obama Reaches Out to 'Moderate' Pirate Community, and stop right there. Then the headline will go viral with a certain segment of the populations that will surmise:

Obama Reaches Out to Somali Pirates!

383 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #361 razorbacker

They have hostages until they dispatch small boats and take a ship. The hostages are on the taken ships.

The Indian Navy, or the Chinese, I don't remember which, have already sunk at least one mothership.

As far a paying ransoms, I guess I can only fall back on the old adage that you subsidise that which you want more of, and tax that which you want less of.

sooner or later innocent people are going to die...but the richer the pirates become the less risk they will want to take...maybe...just a thought

384 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:46:56pm

re: #379 Creeping Eruption

Goodnight all, and to those of you celebrating Easter, I hope yours is a happy and healthy one.

The same to you. Take care.

385 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:47:13pm

re: #376 pre-Boomer Marine brat

and four .50s, according to Wikipedia

/the rest is unusable against that lifeboat ... F*cking seagoing paperweight

CWIS.

If it can lock on the lifeboat. Would have been prefect with the Capt. in water. It's CEP is negligible, would have shredded the lifeboat.

386 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:47:53pm

re: #375 Erik The Red

...don't shit on the hosts carpet...

Believe me, that was never my intent, although I know it may have looked that way.

387 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:48:01pm

How often do we see anyone on the left smack down quacks like Olbermann, Matthews, Kos. etc? Rarely, if ever. These people are ruthless, along with their other friends in the media, and they've even been successful in brainwashing enough of the American public into electing a President that's never even ran a hotdog stand. For god's sake, around 1/4 of all Americans think 9/11 was some sort of conspiracy, and all due to constantly repeated lies and propaganda. Obviously yes, it's wrong, but they don't eat their own like we do. KO doesn't get called out. Matthew either. In fact, Olbermann gets guest slots on Real Time with idiot Maher.

What has me curious is why, if the left does not play by any set of rules, do blogs like this even bother to attack guys like Beck. Even if you think he's a quack, if we ever want to *not have a spineless dem* if office, wouldn't it be better just to shut up about GB? All playing by the rules got us lately was a drubbing in '06, an inept underqualified president that runs around the world apologizing to everyone, and a population of which many think 9/11 could be a conspiracy? Not saying anyone has to agree with Beck, but if he drives the loony left nuts and can get some traction and sway people with his rhetoric the way the left did with their numerous ridiculous hyperboles towards Bush/Cheney, then let him. So what? No one here is forced to listen to Beck.

I love this blog, but it seems to be more lined up with John McCain conservative style politics, which (ahem) didn't work out too well. If we continue to play be these "rules," then not only will the right get their azzes handed to them (again) in '10, but we'll have this fool Obama again in '12. Remember, we can not count on the media to do it's job anymore. It's best we start doing what we need to do to win. The left learned this, and it worked well for them. Time for us to start playing by their rules also.

Just my two cents. :-)

388 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:48:21pm

re: #383 albusteve

sooner or later innocent people are going to die...but the richer the pirates become the less risk they will want to take...maybe...just a thought

ahhh ,,,so why not just eliminate the middle man and give them lots and lots of cash right now ,, PRE-EMPTIVELY stopping future hostage taking!

389 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:48:35pm

re: #373 ellcon

You have to remember to wrap any joke, sarcasm, ironic statement, snide remark, or devil's advocate remark in the appropriate tag.

I followed that back, and my impression was that he expressed regret.
Especially when the sentence ended with :(

I'll get the rope, but lets let him hang himself, first.

390 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:48:36pm

re: #370 lawhawk

LCS 1 - littoral command ship. It's designed to fight in close to shore where bigger ships are more susceptible to smaller craft.

It wouldn't have stopped this particular attack on the Maersk Alabama, which was several hundred miles out to sea when it was overtaken by the pirates.

Littorally speaking, I shore wish we could more effectively deal with these sons of beaches.......
/

391 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:48:49pm

re: #338 thatemailname

Suggestion - everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Remember what Edwin Newman (I think) said about television: if you don't understand it as a business, you don't understand it.
Beck has a schtick - using the entire of range of human emotions to get his point across. It's his schtick, see, his attempt at being entertaining and getting noticed, because he wants ratings, because TV is a business. That's all there is - not at all worthy of notice given all the serious events transpiring these days.

OK, once we have noticed, can we not then make comments and judgments? Or are there more important things we should be focused on?

392 vxbush  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:49:20pm

re: #330 jwb7605

Terrific Idea. Upding for posting the link!

I find it fascinating because AT&T is coming out with it and it will compete against some of the functionality of smart phones. Apparently people are deciding that "typing" on smart phones is huge pain. But at what size are people willing to start carrying the netbooks?

Granted, netbooks have a very interesting niche developing: cheap portable laptops for those who rarely travel and just need something to stay connected.

393 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:49:25pm

re: #328 avanti

Now the left wing guys are making fun of the right's pizza gate story.

pizza gate.


He already planned a Business trip to DC & the restaurant paid for his ticket? Riiiiight, & you but it?

394 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:49:54pm

re: #370 lawhawk

LCS 1 - littoral command ship. It's designed to fight in close to shore where bigger ships are more susceptible to smaller craft.

It wouldn't have stopped this particular attack on the Maersk Alabama, which was several hundred miles out to sea when it was overtaken by the pirates.

obviously they have a future...probably off Somalia?

395 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:49:58pm

re: #390 LGoPs

Littorally speaking, I shore wish we could more effectively deal with these sons of beaches.......
/

That's very shallow thinking, it's beneath you really.

396 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:50:03pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

ahhh ,,,so why not just eliminate the middle man and give them lots and lots of cash right now ,, PRE-EMPTIVELY stopping future hostage taking!

/wait, the pirates or the congress, your confusing me...

397 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:50:25pm

That's show business!

398 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:50:37pm

re: #394 albusteve

obviously they have a future...probably off Somalia?

China.

China's Navy is largely littoral at this point.

399 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:50:38pm

The whack jobs are crawling out from under God knows where on this thread.

400 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:51:12pm

re: #337 sattv4u2

US warship with helicopters joins pirate standoff
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Where there are copters,, there are seals

IIRC, there have been special ops folks based in Djibouti. Not sure if they're still there, or if they include SEALS.

401 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:51:23pm

re: #5 NYCHardhat

This guy is the equivalent to Michael Moore.

I'm thinking more that Fox wants him to be the right-wing equivalent of the Olber man who shall not be named.

402 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:51:24pm

re: #387 Ed from Ohio

The vote was split 69,456,897 to 59,934,814. I think moderation is a better way to get the 10,000,000 in the middle back on the right side.

403 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:51:35pm
404 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:51:37pm

re: #395 jcm

That's very shallow thinking, it's beneath you really.

Aw, you're all wet.....
/

405 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:51:59pm

Here they come again.

406 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:10pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

ahhh ,,,so why not just eliminate the middle man and give them lots and lots of cash right now ,, PRE-EMPTIVELY stopping future hostage taking!

set up a business...Allah Capone Inc.

407 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:10pm

Nap time. I haven't said anything, though I've been reading, because you're all much quicker than I am, today.

I hope we rescue the captain and send the pirates to the bottom.

I don't like pirates.

408 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:14pm

re: #385 jcm

CWIS.

If it can lock on the lifeboat. Would have been prefect with the Capt. in water. It's CEP is negligible, would have shredded the lifeboat.

Forget what thread, but several months ago, some of the ex-Navy Lizards were discounting the Phalanx, saying it wasn't usable in a situation like this. Too sophisticated.

Also, remember that when the captain first jumped into the water, he was still too close to the lifeboat. That's why I said, fire OVER the boat, as a distraction.

/then ... after he got further away, or the Zodiac had picked him up ....

*insane giggling and salivation*

409 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:29pm

re: #363 Dustyvet

Arrr. Shiver me timbers

410 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #372 MrPaulRevere

Maybe Beck will set a facsimile of Obama's famous pizza on fire tonight. Its come to this.

It would not be unusual to feature a story that has been discredited hours before because the fake story was so juicy and I'm not talking just Fox.

411 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #404 LGoPs

Aw, you're all wet.....
/

I may be damp, but puns on a pirate thread is sinking to a new low.

412 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #399 Erik The Red

The whack jobs are crawling out from under God knows where on this thread.

Everybody check under your Snuggies...:)

413 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:02pm

re: #402 jaunte

The vote was split 69,456,897 to 59,934,814. I think moderation is a better way to get the 10,000,000 in the middle back on the right side.

Soccer moms!

414 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:11pm

re: #392 vxbush

I find it fascinating because AT&T is coming out with it and it will compete against some of the functionality of smart phones. Apparently people are deciding that "typing" on smart phones is huge pain. But at what size are people willing to start carrying the netbooks?

Granted, netbooks have a very interesting niche developing: cheap portable laptops for those who rarely travel and just need something to stay connected.

eggsactly! Fat fingers in my case.
As far as the size: personally, something about the size that would fit into smaller DayRunner (about 6" x 9") would be ideal (for me).

415 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:25pm

re: #394 albusteve

Think a little to the north... Persian Gulf. Or in and around the coast of Asia (think North Korea and China).

416 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:35pm

re: #405 Charles

Here they come again.

I hope the scales are thick and the stick is near by today.

417 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:40pm

re: #387 Ed from Ohio

Not saying anyone has to agree with Beck, but if he drives the loony left nuts and can get some traction and sway people with his rhetoric the way the left did with their numerous ridiculous hyperboles towards Bush/Cheney, then let him. So what? No one here is forced to listen to Beck.

He drives the sane right nuts too. I don't want people swaying the way he's swaying them.

418 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #302 avanti

Avanti, you more than anyone should know this very problem was the genesis of our Navy.

The Barbary coast plundered our commercial vessels, sold crews into slavery, and we developed a response to this.

I don't claim to have perfect working knowledge (green corpsman) but the idea that somehow the actuaries decided the costs of keeping weapons aboard, versus the costs of piracy seems an odd concept to me.

419 Simply Me  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:53:59pm

I tried to read through the comments. There were too many. But I did read some and was confused about one that said Charles was against the "Tea Parties" but knew what "tea bagging" was. I didn't know what that meant. Then another comment had a link to the Urban Dictionary definition of "tea bagging". So it is an obscene reference that was made about Charles. Charles is a public figure and there are obscene allusions made about him on blog threads where the post isn't even about LGF.

I would hate it if I was being talked about like that. But Charles says he lives for the the hate mail, so I guess he isn't as thin skinned as I am.

I am wondering if most of the people who are down on LGF and Charles used to make comments here but were banned.

I am thinking that LGF is trying to set a boundary on the right between normal conservative and right wing crazy, with Nirthers and young earth/ seventh day creationists and Glen Beck falling on the far side of the line.

420 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:15pm

XM84 Stun Grenade

The XM84 Stun Grenade is a non-fragmentation, non-lethal "Flash And Bang" stun grenade that is intended to provide a reliable, effective non-lethal means of neutralizing & disorienting enemy personnel.

/then you just need to ask yourself, how many pirates can a SEAL team kill in 15 seconds?

421 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #387 Ed from Ohio

The left learned this, and it worked well for them. Time for us to start playing by their rules also.

No thank you.

422 vxbush  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:20pm

Even my disabled son gets that pirates are bad. He has a special sign for them: he makes a hook with his finger, a la Captain Hook. He was really upset when he heard that pirates had Americans hostage.

If my disabled son gets it, why don't others?

423 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:37pm

re: #338 thatemailname

Suggestion - everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Remember what Edwin Newman (I think) said about television: if you don't understand it as a business, you don't understand it.
Beck has a schtick - using the entire of range of human emotions to get his point across. It's his schtick, see, his attempt at being entertaining and getting noticed, because he wants ratings, because TV is a business. That's all there is - not at all worthy of notice given all the serious events transpiring these days.

And Beck has been slotted into an hour where a lot of shows have started up on Fox, and then quietly disappeared. No ratings at that hour, I guess. Maybe Beck wants his shtick to succeed in keeping him on the air where others have disappeared. Oh well, he'll have to succeed without me.

424 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:41pm

re: #355 iLikeCandy

You'd stay away from something you (could) support because the MSM will distort it?

That''s not really what I was trying to say. I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of me. I've participated in MANY protests/gatherings, in support of our troops, etc, even though several of those events were either ignored by the media, or misrepresented. However, I'd rather not attend a rally where the media doesn't even HAVE to misrepresent it to cast it in a bad light. Glenn Beck in all his ranting glory is doing the left's job for them, painting conservatives as lunatics. No, I would not want to be at that particular Tea Party.

Have there been any signs at tea parties saying "Burn books"?

There's been at least one woman shouting it, in response to which she received applause. I'll support conservatives when and where I can, but I draw the line at associating with those who would call for, or applaud, book burning.

Overall, I think you're reading into my comments a little too closesly. They were primarily meant as commentary on the craziness of Beck and that ilk, and were never meant to imply that folks shouldn't stand up and protest the economic mis-steps of this administration.

425 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:55pm

re: #405 Charles

Here they come again.

Hey, hey we're the Monkeys,

426 thatemailname  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:07pm

re: #369 Russkilitlover

We don't need our own Olberman, thank you very much.

Ahh, very true. But Olberman's act isn't a schtick, it's the real him!

427 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:19pm

re: #402 jaunte

The vote was split 69,456,897 to 59,934,814. I think moderation is a better way to get the 10,000,000 in the middle back on the right side.

I don't know about that, as you have to account for how many of the 59,934,814 voted because they were convinced that Obama was a Marxist, Socialist, Closet Muslim, non-native Manchurian candidate.

428 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:27pm

re: #408 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Forget what thread, but several months ago, some of the ex-Navy Lizards were discounting the Phalanx, saying it wasn't usable in a situation like this. Too sophisticated.

Also, remember that when the captain first jumped into the water, he was still too close to the lifeboat. That's why I said, fire OVER the boat, as a distraction.

/then ... after he got further away, or the Zodiac had picked him up ....

*insane giggling and salivation*

The modified the CWIS code to work on land against mortars in Iraq. It's more software than hardware. That sucker not only tracks the inbound, it tracks the out bound rounds and calculates the differences and adjusts.

But yes, sometimes we're over sophisticated and forget the basics.

429 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:30pm

re: #415 lawhawk

Think a little to the north... Persian Gulf. Or in and around the coast of Asia (think North Korea and China).

I have...dandy little guys...you can stick them anywhere

430 iLikeCandy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:35pm

Ed from Ohio sed:

It's best we start doing what we need to do to win.

I'm curious what you think that is.

431 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:35pm

re: #409 Kosh's Shadow

Arrr. Shiver me timbers

Did Edward Teach you that accent?

432 vxbush  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:55:53pm

re: #414 jwb7605

eggsactly! Fat fingers in my case.
As far as the size: personally, something about the size that would fit into smaller DayRunner (about 6" x 9") would be ideal (for me).

I went to a special tech fair yesterday focused on technology for the disabled, mostly sight and hearing disabled. They had an interesting phone with a bluetooth fold-up keyboard that was really small that was for the hearing impaired who needed to text people. Very nice arrangement, but rather inconvenient if you only have a lap to type on.

433 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:03pm

re: #405 Charles

Here they come again.

This time, tell them to all wear the same hats and a flower in their lapel so I can pick em out of a crowd

434 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:06pm

re: #390 LGoPs

Littorally speaking, I shore wish we could more effectively deal with these sons of beaches.......
/

Clam up.

/stealing your pun-line like a kelptomaniac

435 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:13pm

re: #410 avanti

It would not be unusual to feature a story that has been discredited hours before because the fake story was so juicy and I'm not talking just Fox.

I agree, we should ignore the Pizza story and instead concentrate on the President Obama's destruction of our economy and society, yes?

436 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:15pm

re: #427 ellcon

I don't know about that, as you have to account for how many of the 59,934,814 voted because they were convinced that Obama was a Marxist, Socialist, Closet Muslim, non-native Manchurian candidate.

Good observation.

437 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:23pm

re: #427 ellcon

I don't know about that, as you have to account for how many of the 59,934,814 voted because they were convinced that Obama was a Marxist, Socialist, Closet Muslim, non-native Manchurian candidate.

Well, we can count on their votes now, can't we?
The people that have to be convinced are in the middle.

438 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:25pm

re: #428 jcm

The modified the CWIS code to work on land against mortars in Iraq. It's more software than hardware. That sucker not only tracks the inbound, it tracks the out bound rounds and calculates the differences and adjusts.

But yes, sometimes we're over sophisticated and forget the basics.

Sometimes the best weapon is the bayonet.

439 SlothB77  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:32pm

beck does raise some legitimate issues during his insane rant. the cuba thing.

440 thatemailname  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:39pm

re: #391 wrenchwench

OK, once we have noticed, can we not then make comments and judgments? Or are there more important things we should be focused on?

Far be it from me to tell people what to comment on, esp. when I myself am commenting on it! I was just stating my opinion that his schtick isn't worth notice.

441 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:56:50pm

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Clam up.

/stealing your pun-line like a kelptomaniac

LOL.....
:)

442 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:57:15pm

#402 Jaunte

It hasn't worked thus far. McCain was the "moderate" guy. The Reps got spanked in 06 and 08.

Again, not saying anyone has to cheerlead for Beck and his over the top rhetoric, but why attack? You don't have to listen to him, or agree. But for the greater good, if he's driving the left and their cohorts in the media bonkers, let him.

443 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:57:17pm

re: #420 Killian Bundy

XM84 Stun Grenade


/then you just need to ask yourself, how many pirates can a SEAL team kill in 15 seconds?

We have heard lots of good plans today but they all miss the same key ingredient, a leader willing to say "go".

444 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #387 Ed from Ohio

Even if you think he's a quack, if we ever want to *not have a spineless dem* if office, wouldn't it be better just to shut up about GB? All playing by the rules got us lately was a drubbing in '06, an inept underqualified president that runs around the world apologizing to everyone, and a population of which many think 9/11 could be a conspiracy?

Ignoring the nutters and the fringe that discredit a real and cogent discourse is to just continue to let the left and MSM define and paint responsible conservatives with the brush that links us to the nutters.

Furthermore, we lose the moral and intellectual high ground by not speaking out ourselves against these nutters. We need to focus on presenting a superior vision and path to achieve that vision - and giving these fringe people and groups a pass will not permit us to make that cogent argument. With any association to the nutters the message no longer is cogent. It's the same reason why Charles and others here speak out about the associations with right wing fascists that others condone in their effort to fight islamofascism. We have to be consistent in standing with what we believe is right and speaking out against what we believe is wrong.

445 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:57:55pm

Okay, we've had several Beck threads, maybe thousands of posts, and this is the first one I've opened up. Mainly because I am not familiar with him.

But, the past couple of weeks, I've tuned in a small number of times. His radio program is carried on a high powered FM station here. Interesting person. He seems to have a great radio voice, and always talks like there is some kind of pending disaster about to occur. It's like he is set up to be a great radio personality, but doesn't have anything productive/constructive to say.

446 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:58:09pm

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Clam up.

/stealing your pun-line like a kelptomaniac

Sea, we educate all lizards in the fine art of punnery.

447 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:58:33pm

re: #419 Simply Me

I am thinking that LGF is trying to set a boundary on the right between normal conservative and right wing crazy, with Nirthers and young earth/ seventh day creationists and Glen Beck falling on the far side of the line.

I'm thinking maybe not setting a boundary, but at least pointing it out, or pointing out where there ought to be a boundary.

448 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:58:34pm

re: #438 LGoPs

Sometimes the best weapon is the bayonet.

fear is the best weapon

449 thatemailname  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #423 Son of the Black Dog

And Beck has been slotted into an hour where a lot of shows have started up on Fox, and then quietly disappeared. No ratings at that hour, I guess. Maybe Beck wants his shtick to succeed in keeping him on the air where others have disappeared. Oh well, he'll have to succeed without me.

Yep, me too. I used to watch him occasionally on whatever other channel he was on, where he'd occasionally get a little nutty, but nowhere near like he is now. I had hoped that with the greater resources available to him at Fox, he'd use it as an opportunity to present a well-researched, compelling show. Boy was I wrong!

450 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:58:58pm

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Clam up.

/stealing your pun-line like a kelptomaniac

That's rather shell-fish of you.

/afternoon all.

451 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:59:07pm

re: #419 Simply Me

I
I am wondering if most of the people who are down on LGF and Charles used to make comments here but were banned.

I don't know about 'most', but many of them are indeed former lizards (even if they were only lizards for very brief periods of time). Alot of them would show up when Charles pointed out the craziness of some individual or another (i.e. Ron Paul), because they were supporters of that individual. So of course, they don't like Charles because he points out that craziness where anyone who wants to can see it.

I am thinking that LGF is trying to set a boundary on the right between normal conservative and right wing crazy, with Nirthers and young earth/ seventh day creationists and Glen Beck falling on the far side of the line.

Yes, Charles has said as much himself, and that's one of the big reasons I frequent this site.

452 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:59:32pm

re: #443 brookly red

We have heard lots of good plans today but they all miss the same key ingredient, a leader willing to say "go".

Ding, ding, ding, ding.....

We've got op plans ready for action against pirate bases.

This is happening 300 miles out, why are we acting against the bases now?

453 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:59:44pm

re: #439 SlothB77

beck does raise some legitimate issues during his insane rant. the cuba thing.

The problem is that Beck can say 99% good things. It is the 1% bat shit crazy shit he says that sticks to us. No thank you.

454 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:59:56pm

re: #393 opnion

He already planned a Business trip to DC & the restaurant paid for his ticket? Riiiiight, & you but it?

Yep, pizzagate is a dead issue, he was heading out to DC anyway and called the White House with the offer. The guy is doing some for George Clooney too, so he might just be a liberal pizza guy.

455 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:00:20pm

re: #428 jcm

The modified the CWIS code to work on land against mortars in Iraq. It's more software than hardware. That sucker not only tracks the inbound, it tracks the out bound rounds and calculates the differences and adjusts.

But yes, sometimes we're over sophisticated and forget the basics.

I myself know little about the seagoing version, and nothing about the land system. Thanks.

456 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:00:29pm

re: #431 LGoPs

Did Edward Teach you that accent?

Arrr, I do have me a black beard, but no parrot.
(But our smallest poodle likes to climb on my shoulder. It just isn't appropriate for a pirate, though.)

457 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:00:30pm

re: #446 jcm

Sea, we educate all lizards in the fine art of punnery.

Get thee to a punnery...:)

458 iLikeCandy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:00:38pm

re: #424 Yashmak

Okay. I'm not really trying to "get anything" out of you except clarification. I consider the Tea Party movement a motley crew indeed, but I'll probably attend a rally just to add my tiny, insignificant presence to the anti-Obamanomics wave.

459 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:00:49pm

re: #446 jcm

Sea, we educate all lizards in the fine art of punnery.

If we get ranks I'd like to be the Punnery Officer.....
:)

460 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:00:58pm

re: #454 avanti

Yep, pizzagate is a dead issue, he was heading out to DC anyway and called the White House with the offer. The guy is doing some for George Clooney too, so he might just be a liberal pizza guy.

Pizzagate fell flat?
That cheeses me off!

461 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #456 Kosh's Shadow

Arrr, I do have me a black beard, but no parrot.
(But our smallest poodle likes to climb on my shoulder. It just isn't appropriate for a pirate, though.)

LOL.....

462 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #454 avanti

Yep, pizzagate is a dead issue, he was heading out to DC anyway and called the White House with the offer. The guy is doing some for George Clooney too, so he might just be a liberal pizza guy.

We all eat pizza liberally!

//

463 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:01:34pm

re: #439 SlothB77

beck does raise some legitimate issues during his insane rant. the cuba thing.

That's the hell of it. If the only guy on TV raising "legitimate issues" is fucking crazy, then it becomes 100x harder to oppose the all-around idiocy of Emperor Zero and The Stooge Congress.

"I don't like what Obama is doing"
"YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE GLENN BECK PEOPLE!"

And instantly you're pigeonholed.

If they ever build Skynet, I'm sending a T-800 back in time after Saul Alinsky.

464 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:01:44pm

re: #448 albusteve

fear is the best weapon

I watched a former SEAL being interviewed yesterday (by Megan Kelly, I think).
His take was that fear was good, but too much fear would bring out the stupid decisions on the part of the pirates.

His specialty was piracy, and apparently he'd been 'embedded' with pirates.

Other than that caveat, I agree with you completely.

465 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:01:54pm

re: #435 Desert Dog

I agree, we should ignore the Pizza story and instead concentrate on the President Obama's destruction of our economy and society, yes?

Well, important stuff anyway, and the economy is sure one.

466 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:02pm

re: #462 Gus 802

We all eat pizza liberally!

//

don't get me started...

467 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:07pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

ahhh ,,,so why not just eliminate the middle man and give them lots and lots of cash right now ,, PRE-EMPTIVELY stopping future hostage taking!

We generally call that "foreign aid".

468 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:19pm

When a real comedian wants to use humor to criticize his government:

469 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:31pm

You have to love the picture of what looks like Hillary and Obama in a playground. It looks like Hillary is lecturing Obama.

470 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:39pm

re: #466 brookly red

don't get me started...

Chicago pizza is best.....

*duck and run*

/;-P

471 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:39pm

re: #452 jcm

Ding, ding, ding, ding.....

We've got op plans ready for action against pirate bases.

This is happening 300 miles out, why are we acting against the bases now?

Leave them nothing to come home to?

472 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:39pm

re: #448 albusteve

fear is the best weapon

The bayonet induces fear. Look at Chamberlain's charge at Little Round Top.......

473 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:50pm

re: #466 brookly red

don't get me started...

I think I just made myself hungry. Again.

474 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:03:16pm

re: #450 BlueCanuck

That's rather shell-fish of you.

/afternoon all.

Hey Blue. You are at work I guess. I am way past my bed time. There are a few possible trolls floating around.

475 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:03:17pm

re: #427 ellcon

I don't know about that, as you have to account for how many of the 59,934,814 voted because they were convinced that Obama was a Marxist, Socialist, Closet Muslim, non-native Manchurian candidate.

That's effin immaterial. If you lost by 10M votes, then the goal is to project and articulate a message and a vision that will change the minds of at least 10.1M voters. We need to engage voters based on a positive message - not one based on demonizing the other guy. Do that and all the votes you need in the middle will go elsewhere.

476 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:03:18pm

re: #472 LGoPs

The bayonet induces fear. Look at Chamberlain's charge at Little Round Top.......

I was there...see this scar?

477 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:03:32pm

Well, I just finished my own cheese steak conspiracy.

478 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:03:38pm

re: #471 OldLineTexan

Leave them nothing to come home to?

Base of operations, boats in port, destroy their capacity to launch missions.

479 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #247 Erik The Red

I think I managed to state it rationally enough. That may be the problem though. If I don't start screaming like Savage and Beck and so many other pundits, my voice is a whisper in a hurricane.

480 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:04:03pm

re: #449 thatemailname

Yep, me too. I used to watch him occasionally on whatever other channel he was on, where he'd occasionally get a little nutty, but nowhere near like he is now. I had hoped that with the greater resources available to him at Fox, he'd use it as an opportunity to present a well-researched, compelling show. Boy was I wrong!

Look at his ratings. Fox has always used the lowest common denominator when it comes to shows. Is Bill O'Reilly an intellectual giant offering up compelling and thought provoking commentary? Hardly! It's about making money. The more people watch, the more they can sell the advertising.

I am all for capitalism, but Glenn Beck is doing more harm than good for the side he claims to represent. But, he raking the dough for FOX and that is what they see. Same for MSNBC. They keep Olberdouche on because his outrageous stance on issues gets him viewers. If that audience starts going down....say b-bye to him (and I hope that is what happens too!)

481 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:04:33pm

re: #477 formercorpsman

Well, I just finished my own cheese steak conspiracy.

With swiss right?

/////////////////

482 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:04:34pm

"The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate."

483 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:04:37pm

re: #418 formercorpsman

I don't claim to have perfect working knowledge (green corpsman) but the idea that somehow the actuaries decided the costs of keeping weapons aboard, versus the costs of piracy seems an odd concept to me.

You have my complete agreement, it is a concept that I don't agree with. Maybe the international ban on arming merchant ships is the bigger issue.

484 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:04:45pm

re: #464 jwb7605

I watched a former SEAL being interviewed yesterday (by Megan Kelly, I think).
His take was that fear was good, but too much fear would bring out the stupid decisions on the part of the pirates.

His specialty was piracy, and apparently he'd been 'embedded' with pirates.

Other than that caveat, I agree with you completely.

Hey who's the new guy?
You mean Ali?
Yea.
I dunno, why?
Because he's 2 meters tall and white, dude. Not very Somali, wiouldn't you say?
Racist!

/

485 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:00pm

re: #458 iLikeCandy

Okay. I'm not really trying to "get anything" out of you except clarification. I consider the Tea Party movement a motley crew indeed, but I'll probably attend a rally just to add my tiny, insignificant presence to the anti-Obamanomics wave.

I would applaud you for doing so. If there was one close to me, I'd probably attend it myself (as long as Glenn Beck wasn't going to be a speaker).

486 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:03pm
487 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:06pm

re: #484 OldLineTexan

Hey who's the new guy?
You mean Ali?
Yea.
I dunno, why?
Because he's 2 meters tall and white, dude. Not very Somali, wiouldn't you say?
Racist!

/

ROFLMAO!

488 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:08pm

re: #470 jcm

Chicago pizza is best.....

*duck and run*

/;-P

With or without ACORNs?

489 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:25pm

re: #446 jcm

Sea, we educate all lizards in the fine art of punnery.

ALL lizards?!
*arrogant sniff*
There's a wide gulf between you and moi.

/channeling spacejesus

490 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:27pm

re: #439 SlothB77

beck does raise some legitimate issues during his insane rant. the cuba thing.

Howard the Duck had some very good foley effects.

491 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:34pm

re: #477 formercorpsman

Well, I just finished my own cheese steak conspiracy.

/ but can you imagen the outcry if someone put pineapple on a cheese steak...

492 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:05:56pm

i like candy #430

Well, I'd say that it's probably best to let our crazies serve the same purpose their crazies did. Kos, Olbermann, Matthews, etc, no one on the left ever calls them out. They just leave them alone, let them ramble, and in the long run, when their garbage gets picked up by the echo chamber in the media, enough of the uninformed masses will believe what they hear. -- 9/11 inside job, Bush lied, mortgage meltdown was Bush's fault, etc. That is why we lost this election. McCain's tactic of trying to gain the favor of the left just did not work. As sad as it is, it's the truth. Politics is friggin ugly. And if one side has no rules and the other not only has them, but actually wants them for themselves, then it's pretty easy to see which side will win. Not the "right" one. As with the media, a lot of times it's what they *don't report.* The same could go for guys like Beck, Savage, etc. If you don't like them, big deal, just lettem ramble. They only stand to drive the left insane and distract them. And that is a gain for the right, even if they're nuts sometimes.

Hope ya see my point.

493 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #489 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ALL lizards?!
*arrogant sniff*
There's a wide gulf between you and moi.

/channeling spacejesus

put dat jeebus down you do not know where it has been

494 iLikeCandy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:06:51pm

La Mama is soon to arrive. Yashmak and all, have a nice day, and why not stop for a moment to think of someone who died in agony rather than sell out. You don't even have to be a Christian to do it!

495 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:06:51pm

re: #489 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ALL lizards?!
*arrogant sniff*
There's a wide gulf between you and moi.

/channeling spacejesus

If I wasn't such an seasy going guy, I'd harbor resentment over that fouled line.

496 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:04pm

re: #491 brookly red

/ but can you imagen the outcry if someone put pineapple on a cheese steak...

At the Minnesota State Fair, you can get anything on a stick in the way of food...:)

497 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:06pm

re: #454 avanti

Yep, pizzagate is a dead issue, he was heading out to DC anyway and called the White House with the offer. The guy is doing some for George Clooney too, so he might just be a liberal pizza guy.

The pizza story was dumb... Oh so they flew a guy in to cook? Oh no, the horror! Next thing you know, they'll be putting those guys on TV and calling it something like "Dinner Impossible"! Oh wait...

If I was Obama, I'd fly in that pizza chef and have him make lunch for wounded veterans, or sick kids, or winners of national competitions, or something like that. I'd make it a monthly event. Maybe even have the chefs use stuff from that new White House garden... Be smart about it, you know? Give good chefs some publicity, promote gardening, do something nice for people in public, all at once... But what do I know, I'm just one of those bitter cynics who stand in the way of Progress, or something.

498 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:19pm

re: #463 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's the hell of it. If the only guy on TV raising "legitimate issues" is fucking crazy, then it becomes 100x harder to oppose the all-around idiocy of Emperor Zero and The Stooge Congress.

"I don't like what Obama is doing"
"YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE GLENN BECK PEOPLE!"

And instantly you're pigeonholed.

If they ever build Skynet, I'm sending a T-800 back in time after Saul Alinsky.

This should be worked out for us however. Beck is predicting impending economic disaster, he could easily be right about that. Imagine if China quit buying our treasuries and started selling their stock, this country could move from a price-destructive recession into an inflationary depression very quickly. That's just one scenario, and there are others, but if it comes to pass, Beck will be the new leader of the conservative movement. If we get a recovery, Beck's show gets canceled.

499 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:24pm

re: #491 brookly red

or swiss.

500 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:30pm

re: #470 jcm

Chicago pizza is best.....

*duck and run*

/;-P

That is, until someone else shows up with a big slice of New York style....

501 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:34pm

re: #442 Ed from Ohio

#402 Jaunte

It hasn't worked thus far. McCain was the "moderate" guy. The Reps got spanked in 06 and 08.

Again, not saying anyone has to cheerlead for Beck and his over the top rhetoric, but why attack? You don't have to listen to him, or agree. But for the greater good, if he's driving the left and their cohorts in the media bonkers, let him.

No, McCain was not the moderate guy for the Republican Party. Rudy or Mitt were the moderate guys. You are mistaken that if you think the GOP is going to return to being a national party if the extremist positions on religion (creationism) is going to influence the vast bulk of people in the middle who decide these elections. (About 25-30% of the country is hard left, about the same is hard right, and the decisions are made by the larger group in the middle.)

502 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #445 Dave the.....

My boss used to watch Beck on CNN, every morning when I came into work I always got an ear full of how the world was ending and how bad things are, now that Beck is on Fox news my boss doesn't watch him any more, this makes going to work a little more enjoyable.
Beck in my opinion is a doom and gloom kook and gives conservatives a very bad reputation.

503 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:08pm

re: #495 jcm

If I wasn't such an seasy going guy, I'd harbor resentment over that fouled line.

One up Dinghy...

504 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:23pm

re: #460 jcm

Pizzagate fell flat?
That cheeses me off!

Yea I was peppered with questions about it earlier, but the issue never mushroomed.

505 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:24pm

re: #469 Dave the.....

You have to love the picture of what looks like Hillary and Obama in a playground. It looks like Hillary is lecturing Obama.

Yup. 0 and Hill sharing a juice box and some dry Cheerios. Taking a rest after recess.

506 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:30pm

re: #500 Desert Dog

That is, until someone else shows up with a big slice of New York style....

that's not food...it's art

507 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:33pm

re: #484 OldLineTexan

Hey who's the new guy?
You mean Ali?
Yea.
I dunno, why?
Because he's 2 meters tall and white, dude. Not very Somali, wiouldn't you say?
Racist!

/

He was valmorphed and knew the password:
Dirka dirka, mohammed jihad!

508 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:53pm

Breaking:
Gunman on Mich. college campus; gunshot reported

DEARBORN, Mich. — A Michigan community college has been locked down because of a gunman on campus.

A woman who answered the phone in the president's office at Henry Ford Community College on Friday told The Associated Press that police have secured the area but there was a gunman at the Dearborn school. She declined to give her name.

Twelve-year-old Christian Plonka says he was in the college's MacKenzie Fine Arts Center when he heard a gunshot. He and others participating in a theater program ran to the adjacent University of Michigan-Dearborn campus until police gave the all-clear.

Dearborn police and the campus security say they are dealing with an emergency and are unable to provide any information.

An on-campus news conference is planned for later Friday.

509 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:08:58pm

re: #492 Ed from Ohio

Well, I'd say that it's probably best to let our crazies serve the same purpose their crazies did. Kos, Olbermann, Matthews, etc, no one on the left ever calls them out.

They are not called out because they own/run/control the MFM.

The MFM will call the bat shit crazy right out at the drop of a hat.

510 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:09:14pm

Glen Beck, again?
Beck, Hannity, Rush; there are always negative swipes at them almost daily. But not much about the left wing nut jobs. Rachel Maddows,
Anderson Cooper,
Wolf Blitzer,
Chris Matthews,
Bob Schieffer,
Rossie O Donnel,
Howard Sten,
etc.

Makes me wonder....

511 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:09:31pm
512 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:09:57pm

re: #475 Athos

That's effin immaterial. If you lost by 10M votes, then the goal is to project and articulate a message and a vision that will change the minds of at least 10.1M voters. We need to engage voters based on a positive message - not one based on demonizing the other guy. Do that and all the votes you need in the middle will go elsewhere.

Obama ran a campaign based on demonizing the guy who wasn't running against him (GW). That is still his main focus, even after winning the election. I cannot recall anything good Obama had to say about the nation, the economy, or anything else. The whole message was "change we can believe in". All 'positive' messages he implied were usually referred to as "just campaign rhetoric", even by the MSM, followed by a paragraph or five on how wonderful things would be if everything changed for ... no, they never got quite that far ...

McCain picked up a few of those points.
Obama won, hands down.

513 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:09:57pm

re: #475 Athos

That's effin immaterial. If you lost by 10M votes, then the goal is to project and articulate a message and a vision that will change the minds of at least 10.1M voters. We need to engage voters based on a positive message - not one based on demonizing the other guy. Do that and all the votes you need in the middle will go elsewhere.

It's very relevant, if you forgo demonizing Obama, how many votes do you lose? My guess is more than the 10.1 million that could possibly be gained.

514 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:10:30pm

re: #493 OldLineTexan

put dat jeebus down you do not know where it has been

YIKES!
*frantically scrubbing hands*

515 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:10:42pm

re: #510 hous bin pharteen

Out with it, then. What do you wonder?

516 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:11:22pm

re: #493 OldLineTexan

put dat jeebus down you do not know where it has been

Whatever you do, don't drop it.

517 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:11:50pm
518 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:00pm

And for his next trick, Beck will drool on the floor for twenty-four hours, non-stop.

519 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:13pm

re: #511 Iron Fist

What about a log?

520 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:23pm

re: #515 Bloodnok

"Why bother to bail this lifeboat when all the water is out there in the ocean?"

521 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:27pm

re: #495 jcm

If I wasn't such an seasy going guy, I'd harbor resentment over that fouled line.

BTW, Barnacled from Massachusetts ... said he liked your bottom.

*DIVING into a foxhole!*

522 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:30pm

re: #484 OldLineTexan

Hey who's the new guy?
You mean Ali?
Yea.
I dunno, why?
Because he's 2 meters tall and white, dude. Not very Somali, wiouldn't you say?
Racist!

/

That's about right. I got the impression (the SEAL didn't go into detail) that the 'embedded' part was a 'business arrangement', which does fit into piracy philosophy.

It was weird, but the SEAL sounded pretty knowledgeable (and sensible).

523 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:38pm

re: #439 SlothB77

beck does raise some legitimate issues during his insane rant. the cuba thing.

Cuba. The main bone of contention has been the USSR placing missiles on the island which led to the Cuban Missile crisis a long time ago. Their human right record is rather poor.

However, China was responsible, indirectly for the deaths of 1000s of American soldiers during the Vietnam war. Their human rights record still remains one of the worst in the world. They systematically oppress Tibet. China was an active and far more dangerous enemy of the United States during the Cold war. The constantly harass US Navy air and sea traffic when given a chance. Yet now China has "most favored nation" status from the United States.

Given our relationship with China I fail to see what all the fuss is about Cuba.

524 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:12:51pm

re: #518 quickjustice

And for his next trick, Beck will drool on the floor for twenty-four hours, non-stop.

I thought that was all the spittle from his rants.

/eeeeewwwwwww

525 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:07pm

re: #492 Ed from Ohio

McCain's tactic of trying to gain the favor of the left just did not work. As sad as it is, it's the truth.

No -- that's your opinion.

526 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:11pm

I'm not sure what to make of that. Newscast or bad comedy sketch? I found it it a little repulsive. After all that hyperbole how could someone trust him? If he was a visitor at the dining table everyone else would just get silent and uncomfortable. I had to pay close attention to even follow what he was saying.

I guess he is appealing to the set of people who are judging first by their emotions and letting themselves get hooked on the first agreement they come across.

Is Beck interested in Honesty? My idea of communication is that the dousing someone with fire and lighting a match is the symbol he wants his audience to latch onto. But he had way too many points attached. Unless the point was that Pres. Obama is this horrible monster. what will people remember a week later? "Pres Obama is a horrible monster that is burning me. It has to stop." Is this the Beck MO?

He is better off getting some discussion going on with talking heads instead of street theatre.

527 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:13pm

#486 Ironfist

Again, back to the same problem - the media.

Regardless, I still see no point in bashing Beck. You don't have to blog in support of him. Just be quiet. Again, it's what *you don't report.* The man has millions of listeners, and will have even more of an audience now with this FNC show. He will sway peoplem, and bashing him is pointless and not helping anything. Let the left squeal over him. Heck, we just saw Limbaugh make the admin look foolish. Let them deal with our crazies.

Maybe I'm from the Lombardi school - winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

At least I think that was Lombardi.

528 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:13pm

re: #521 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, Barnacled from Massachusetts ... said he liked your bottom.

*DIVING into a foxhole!*

WINNAH! Ding, Ding!

529 hellosnackbar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:16pm

I'd never heard of Glenn Beck until very recently and until today didn't
know what he looked like.
Now having seen him for the first time I think various closed mental institutions should check their records.
Maxillofacial surgery is very effective at changing one's appearance.

530 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:34pm

re: #521 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, Barnacled from Massachusetts ... said he liked your bottom.

*DIVING into a foxhole!*

That was way overboard! I KEEL YOU!

531 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:43pm

re: #521 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, Barnacled from Massachusetts ... said he liked your bottom.

*DIVING into a foxhole!*

Keep that up and we will strait-en you out.

532 notutopia  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:48pm

This is not sane even for television, which is not saying much for TV. It belongs on an offbeat live comedy routine. This is nothing more than distasteful Beck scintillation and to drive up his ratings.
Which it will, there's always someone to watch the zealots make asses of themselves, and as they go up, he loses what little credibility he has left.
Beck this Sick! Sick! Sick!

533 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #501 Athos

No, McCain was not the moderate guy for the Republican Party. Rudy or Mitt were the moderate guys. You are mistaken that if you think the GOP is going to return to being a national party if the extremist positions on religion (creationism) is going to influence the vast bulk of people in the middle who decide these elections. (About 25-30% of the country is hard left, about the same is hard right, and the decisions are made by the larger group in the middle.)

I remember back during the height of the BDS/"Rove The Puppetmaster" phenomenon (mid- to late-2005) Mark Steyn wrote of his marveling at the Democrat's failures, and how they seemed to be going off the deep end. I'm paraphrasing here, but I remember him writing "When they're losing big, their answer seems to be, 'We gotta get even CRAZIER!'"

The same thing is happening to the right now.

534 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:14:10pm

re: #517 Iron Fist

Man, that one has to hurt. It'd be like hooking your brain up to a stupid pump, and mainlining shere stupidity.

*bubbles floating above head*
*eyes rotating*
... duh?

535 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:14:13pm

re: #521 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, Barnacled from Massachusetts ... said he liked your bottom.

*DIVING into a foxhole!*

ROFLMAO!

536 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:14:35pm

re: #523 Gus 802

the whole thing is laughable...no logic to it at all, just some vague platitudes

537 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:14:39pm

re: #513 ellcon

It's very relevant, if you forgo demonizing Obama, how many votes do you lose? My guess is more than the 10.1 million that could possibly be gained.

If the Republicans run AGAINST Obama, they will lose. They have to run FOR something. An idea or set of ideas that offer a positive message. We should bash the hell out of Obama and his plans, but the drumbeat should be what we will do once we get back into power.

My guess is the Dems will continue to shoot themselves in the foot until the midterm at least. Obama is proving to be inept in foreign matters and downright scary in domestic ones. If the right comes out saying Obama's name every 5 seconds, they can kiss gaining any seats in Congress goodbye. There has to be an alternate plan and viewpoint offered to counter Obama. He is all style and very radical substance.....he is not unbeatable, nor is the Democrat control in Congress.

538 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:15:09pm

Caption for playground photo:
Obama and Clinton play at being in charge while American hostage waits and waits and waits.....

539 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:15:29pm

re: #519 hous bin pharteen

What about a log?

It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.

Why do you ask?

540 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:16:29pm

The one thing that was most frustrating last fall was that the Democrats won the deficit issue. They said we need to vote for Obama because McCain was a Republican, and Republicans spend too much. I tried to make headway pointing out:
A) McCain is a budget hawk (relatively). When he was in Congress, he teamed with Minnesota Democrat (now independent) Tim Penny to fight deficit spending. He also doesn't do earmarks
B) Come on, did any one really think Obama had any intentions of balancing the budget?

Now look where we are.

541 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:16:47pm

re: #537 Desert Dog

If the Republicans run AGAINST Obama, they will lose. They have to run FOR something. An idea or set of ideas that offer a positive message. We should bash the hell out of Obama and his plans, but the drumbeat should be what we will do once we get back into power.

My guess is the Dems will continue to shoot themselves in the foot until the midterm at least. Obama is proving to be inept in foreign matters and downright scary in domestic ones. If the right comes out saying Obama's name every 5 seconds, they can kiss gaining any seats in Congress goodbye. There has to be an alternate plan and viewpoint offered to counter Obama. He is all style and very radical substance.....he is not unbeatable, nor is the Democrat control in Congress.

Reagan ran for something.
Gringrich nationalized the elections for something in '94.

Core conservatism works.
Individual liberty, limited government. (sans all the nuttery)
It Works!

542 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:16:56pm
543 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:17:06pm

re: #538 Bobblehead

Caption for playground photo:
Obama and Clinton play at being in charge while American hostage waits and waits and waits.....

Perhaps we should go to the UN and see what the wise and sagely Bureaucrats think?

544 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:17:10pm

#492 Charles, I think McCain would be president if it had worked. Call it truth, speculation, opinion, whatever you want.

545 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #536 albusteve

the whole thing is laughable...no logic to it at all, just some vague platitudes

I'm surprised it's lasted this long. I forgot to mention Guantanamo Bay and the lease arrangement. Add to the fact that Cuba has barely harassed that installation in all its history.

546 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:17:26pm

re: #528 jwb7605

WINNAH! Ding, Ding!

*un-manly blush*
*taking a grateful bow*

:D ... thanks!

547 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:17:46pm

re: #510 hous bin pharteen

Makes me wonder....

Wonder what?

That rather than working to help the rational people on the right try to identify and remove the moonbats from our belfry before the 2010 and 2012 elections when they will harm us, Charles is actually some secret Goddamned Communist Heathen RINO lefty Christian-hating atheist who's trying to destroy the GOP and the USA. Did I cover all the bases there?

548 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:18:23pm

re: #546 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*un-manly blush*
*taking a grateful bow*

:D ... thanks!

Yeah, at my expense!

;-)

Have a beer on me!

549 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:18:39pm

Agree on NOT getting crazier. I also recall....not very long ago....talking about how the Democrats were nuts. They became the party of Michael Moore. And someone pointed out that when the Republicans were out of power, they were the party of the John Birch society.

So we cannot let that happen again. No crazies.

550 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:18:39pm

re: #530 jcm

That was way overboard! I KEEL YOU!

Instead of keeling him, why don't you hold him for transom?

551 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:18:44pm

re: #512 jwb7605

Obama ran a campaign based on demonizing the guy who wasn't running against him (GW). That is still his main focus, even after winning the election. I cannot recall anything good Obama had to say about the nation, the economy, or anything else. The whole message was "change we can believe in". All 'positive' messages he implied were usually referred to as "just campaign rhetoric", even by the MSM, followed by a paragraph or five on how wonderful things would be if everything changed for ... no, they never got quite that far ...

McCain picked up a few of those points.
Obama won, hands down.

Yes, Obama used the 'failures' of the previous administration. These were the basis and the point to provide his populist 'Hope and Change' vision (without details) a contrast. Given the economic situation, the majority of the people could care less if he had no details or specifics around his vision and message - 'Hope and Change' was the entire thing for those who didn't spend the time to education themselves as to who and what he was about. It was the same bullshit that got Jimmy Carter elected in 1976 - with Gerry Ford running a campaign that was as ineffective as John McCain's.

Guess what will happen in 2010 -the GOP will run candidates for the Senate and the House that hopefully will be able to articulate a cogent and positive vision for the future that uses the failures and policy missteps of the present Administration and Congressional leadership as a contrast to reinforce the GOP vision as being what's right for the country - just as Reagan did in 1980. Unfortunately, I don't see any leadership in the GOP to do that....or the will to take that path. Just people thinking that becoming more like the hard left in tactics will win the middle.

552 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:19:15pm

re: #545 Gus 802

I'm surprised it's lasted this long. I forgot to mention Guantanamo Bay and the lease arrangement. Add to the fact that Cuba has barely harassed that installation in all its history.

I'm no fan of the Castro regime, I just don't like the idea that the state dept can tell me I can or can't go...I hate the feds...we are not at war with Cuba

553 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:19:27pm

re: #547 ArchangelMichael

Wonder what?

That rather than working to help the rational people on the right try to identify and remove the moonbats from our belfry before the 2010 and 2012 elections when they will harm us, Charles is actually some secret Goddamned Communist Heathen RINO lefty Christian-hating atheist who's trying to destroy the GOP and the USA. Did I cover all the bases there?

You're wrong. The word's out. Charles is no longer a secret ...
// <- - semi-sarc, read the other blogs.

554 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:19:41pm

re: #540 Dave the.....

The one thing that was most frustrating last fall was that the Democrats won the deficit issue. They said we need to vote for Obama because McCain was a Republican, and Republicans spend too much. I tried to make headway pointing out:
A) McCain is a budget hawk (relatively). When he was in Congress, he teamed with Minnesota Democrat (now independent) Tim Penny to fight deficit spending. He also doesn't do earmarks
B) Come on, did any one really think Obama had any intentions of balancing the budget?

Now look where we are.

Looking at how Obama jacked up the deficit in just a few months, I don't think the Dems will be able to use that line of reasoning in the next cycle. Of course, the Republicans have zero credibility when it comes to spending as well.....

555 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:19:52pm

re: #521 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, Barnacled from Massachusetts ... said he liked your bottom.

*DIVING into a foxhole!*

That's a hulluva comment to make........

556 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:20:36pm

re: #550 LGoPs

Instead of keeling him, why don't you hold him for transom?

Transom? You advising I take stern measures then.

557 The False God  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:20:36pm

The sad part is, a lot of the stuff he's saying is right. It's just that he has no composure whatsoever and comes off as loony as the people he's railing against.

But we're all pretty much screwed. You can call it conspiracy mongering, but I'm pretty sure it's accurate that "globalism" is just an excuse for worldwide tyranny in the eyes of our noble leaders.

558 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:21:33pm

Glenn Beck is a deep-cover mole working for George Soros. His job is to make anything even remotely related to the Right look like a pathetic joke.

Again: it's all about ratings. Beck has found that his freak-show act draws viewers, just like that seamy lineup off at the edge of the carnival grounds does.

What the poo-flinging monkeys over at Hot Air don't seem to realize is that people are tuning in to see The Rabid Wolf-Boy. Not because they agree with Glenn's spewings.

Conservative commentators ought to be calling for a boycott of Fox. Instead, far too many of them are breaking out their knee pads and...well, never mind, you get the idea.

559 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #530 jcm

That was way overboard! I KEEL YOU!

*scream in panice, strake outta the door*

560 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:22:24pm

re: #544 Ed from Ohio

#492 Charles, I think McCain would be president if it had worked. Call it truth, speculation, opinion, whatever you want.

In my opinion, it had absolutely nothing to do with what you call "trying to gain the favor of the left." The most important factor was simply that John McCain was an utterly rotten campaigner. He was an old guy, who looked and sounded frail, up against a charismatic young man with a totally positive message. The Washington good old boy against the young outsider.

When the economy went into a tailspin, these factors were multiplied.

And it's also my opinion that his last ditch attempt to get the religious far right on board by bringing in Sarah Palin backfired, big time.

561 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:22:36pm

re: #556 jcm

Transom? You advising I take stern measures then.

Should have done while he was taking his bow.

562 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:22:41pm

re: #531 BlueCanuck

Keep that up and we will strait-en you out.

Please do. I like the sound of it.

563 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:23:28pm

re: #559 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*scream in panice, strake outta the door*

Quiet, or the Forecastle wake up.

564 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:23:36pm

re: #552 albusteve

I'm no fan of the Castro regime, I just don't like the idea that the state dept can tell me I can or can't go...I hate the feds...we are not at war with Cuba

Yep, neither am I. Neither am I in favor of the recent congressional contingent that recently went there -- ideologically. Lifting the travel ban would be a good first step however and I think long term it will help democratize Cuba who could very well become a US ally in the future. Plus it's a nice vacation spot and they have great music and food.

565 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:23:40pm

A few more details buried in this pirate story i.e. distance from the Navy ship, dark when the captain tried to escape etc. :


He said the pirate leader had been in direct contact with the lifeboat via a satellite phone but lost contact after Phillips' captors threw the phone — and a two-way radio dropped to them by the U.S. Navy — into the ocean, fearing the Americans were somehow using the equipment to give instructions to the captain. They acted after Phillips' failed effort to escape.

Around midnight local time, Phillips jumped off the lifeboat and began swimming, according to Defense Department officials speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk about the sensitive, unfolding operations.

One of the pirates then fired an automatic weapon, the officials said, although it was not clear if the shots were fired at Phillips or into the air, and he returned to the lifeboat.

The USS Bainbridge, which is several hundred yards away, has rescue helicopters and lifeboats but is keeping its distance, in part to stay out of the pirates' range of fire.

566 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:24:13pm

Beck is probably what sells these days on MSM news. His producers are probably brainstorming media stunts for him to approve of.

Reminds me a little of Morton Downey

567 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:24:18pm

re: #560 Charles

Very well put Charles...

568 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:24:23pm

That was ridiculous. I used to like listening to him because about 2 years ago he was a lot funnier. I had to stop because he started getting too depressing to listen to; I didn't realize how far off the deep end he'd really gone.

569 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:24:27pm

the gunner is dead at the MI CC...so is his girlfriend tho

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

570 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:24:44pm

re: #562 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Please do. I like the sound of it.

I think that kind of talk just widens the gulf

571 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:24:59pm

re: #537 Desert Dog

If the Republicans run AGAINST Obama, they will lose. They have to run FOR something. An idea or set of ideas that offer a positive message. We should bash the hell out of Obama and his plans, but the drumbeat should be what we will do once we get back into power.

My guess is the Dems will continue to shoot themselves in the foot until the midterm at least. Obama is proving to be inept in foreign matters and downright scary in domestic ones. If the right comes out saying Obama's name every 5 seconds, they can kiss gaining any seats in Congress goodbye. There has to be an alternate plan and viewpoint offered to counter Obama. He is all style and very radical substance.....he is not unbeatable, nor is the Democrat control in Congress.

Exactly right. Although I think the proposed Federal budget, which will quadruple the deficit and ultimately rack up more debt in a single term than that of all previous Presidents combined, is a travesty worth hammering on, you can't just sit around and say nasty things about it and hope to gain any traction for the party. You have to propose an actual alternative of your own, complete with details and numbers, and sell it as a replacement for this pending disaster.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything resembling leadership in the party at the moment to help formulate and guide a winning strategy.

572 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #548 jcm

Yeah, at my expense!

;-)

Have a beer on me!

Hell, I owe YOU a beer for all the shots I've taken at you!
(no pun intended)
:D

573 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:25:22pm

re: #565 avanti

Several hundred yards? Heck in the infantry we trained at those ranges with iron sights. Of course firing on a ship might be a bit difficult, but a couple of scoped M-16's should do the trick quite nicely.

574 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:25:33pm

re: #560 Charles

In my opinion, it had absolutely nothing to do with what you call "trying to gain the favor of the left." The most important factor was simply that John McCain was an utterly rotten campaigner. He was an old guy, who looked and sounded frail, up against a charismatic young man with a totally positive message. The Washington good old boy against the

I don't know whether that was intentional, but I like the way you spelled

575 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:26:18pm

re: #572 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hell, I owe YOU a beer for all the shots I've taken at you!
(no pun intended)
:D

If it was grapeshot you were using you would more appropriately owe him a glass of wine.....

576 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:26:43pm

re: #564 Gus 802

Yep, neither am I. Neither am I in favor of the recent congressional contingent that recently went there -- ideologically. Lifting the travel ban would be a good first step however and I think long term it will help democratize Cuba who could very well become a US ally in the future. Plus it's a nice vacation spot and they have great music and food.

all that and world class beaches...Cuba is the old Caribbean

577 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:26:45pm

re: #542 Iron Fist

438 LGoPS; "Sometimes the best weapon is the bayonet."

Does that make better sense? Hope you feel better.

578 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:26:49pm

re: #537 Desert Dog

If the Republicans run AGAINST Obama, they will lose. They have to run FOR something. An idea or set of ideas that offer a positive message. We should bash the hell out of Obama and his plans, but the drumbeat should be what we will do once we get back into power.

My guess is the Dems will continue to shoot themselves in the foot until the midterm at least. Obama is proving to be inept in foreign matters and downright scary in domestic ones. If the right comes out saying Obama's name every 5 seconds, they can kiss gaining any seats in Congress goodbye. There has to be an alternate plan and viewpoint offered to counter Obama. He is all style and very radical substance.....he is not unbeatable, nor is the Democrat control in Congress.

I agree with you, the problem is that you have to somehow maintain the very tenuous coalition of Christianists (to borrow a phrase from Sullivan), foreign policy hawks, domestic spending hawks, tax-cutters, libertarians, authoritarians, and paranoid loons together while picking up moderates.

579 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:26:49pm

re: #560 Charles

In my opinion, it had absolutely nothing to do with what you call "trying to gain the favor of the left." The most important factor was simply that John McCain was an utterly rotten campaigner. He was an old guy, who looked and sounded frail, up against a charismatic young man with a totally positive message. The Washington good old boy against the

When the economy went into a tailspin, these factors were multiplied.

And it's also my opinion that his last ditch attempt to get the religious far right on board by bringing in Sarah Palin backfired, big time.

The only argument I've got with that analysis is the last point. Without Palin, I think it would have been 60-40 Obama, instead of 52-48. Palin was the reason the religious far-right didn't stay home.
I did not support Palin on a religious-far-right basis -- it was for other equally stupid reasons. I do have, though, several (meaning tens and tens) of in-laws that are, in fact, religious far-right. I base my observations on that small sampling.

580 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #560 Charles

In my opinion, it had absolutely nothing to do with what you call "trying to gain the favor of the left." The most important factor was simply that John McCain was an utterly rotten campaigner. He was an old guy, who looked and sounded frail, up against a charismatic young man with a totally positive message. The Washington good old boy against the

When the economy went into a tailspin, these factors were multiplied.

And it's also my opinion that his last ditch attempt to get the religious far right on board by bringing in Sarah Palin backfired, big time.

That AND the fact that the MFMSM completely ignored anything negative about Obama.

581 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:27:16pm

re: #513 ellcon

It's very relevant, if you forgo demonizing Obama, how many votes do you lose? My guess is more than the 10.1 million that could possibly be gained.

How much information and coverage about Obama's lack of experience and questionable associations really got out to the middle? Particularly that wasn't demonized as being nothing but hate? Next to none. Then ask yourself - How successful was the hard left in 2000 and 2004 in demonizing President Bush?

The approach is not to demonize the person - that lessen's you and weakens your ability to influence others. You attack and counter the policies and directions (or lack thereof). The other guy doesn't get the sympathy vote and his policies are clearly contrasted with yours.

The GOP lost in 2006 because Bush was not effective in 2005-6 and the GOP forgot their roots and got called / caught on it. The GOP lost in 2008 not because they weren't mean enough, they lost because they were still bad, the President ineffective, the economic collapse, and running as the party nominee an incredibly bad candidate who ran a bad campaign. Hell, the reason that they got the votes they did was more because of a protest against Obama than support for McCain. But they still lost the middle to 'Hope and Change'.

582 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:27:30pm

re: #568 Fat Jolly Penguin

That was ridiculous. I used to like listening to him because about 2 years ago he was a lot funnier. I had to stop because he started getting too depressing to listen to; I didn't realize how far off the deep end he'd really gone.

Yes, his gloat fest the day after W won his second term was one of the funniest things I've heard on radio. I wish Glenn would tone it down.

583 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #555 LGoPs

That's a hulluva comment to make........

This thread is sure running slow, ... starting to bilge out.

584 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #128 stuiec

If I could give you a million updings for that post, I would.

585 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:29:09pm

re: #556 jcm

Transom? You advising I take stern measures then.

:D

*crickets*

586 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:29:16pm

OT: Anyone watching the Masters?

587 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:29:52pm

re: #576 albusteve

all that and world class beaches...Cuba is the old Caribbean

Would probably be cheap too. At least for the first few years of a complete stand down on the travel ban.

588 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:29:53pm

re: #586 Erik The Red

OT: Anyone watching the Masters?

of what?

589 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:01pm
590 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:15pm

re: #560 Charles

In my opinion, it had absolutely nothing to do with what you call "trying to gain the favor of the left." The most important factor was simply that John McCain was an utterly rotten campaigner. He was an old guy, who looked and sounded frail, up against a charismatic young man with a totally positive message. The Washington good old boy against the

When the economy went into a tailspin, these factors were multiplied.

And it's also my opinion that his last ditch attempt to get the religious far right on board by bringing in Sarah Palin backfired, big time.

I think this is exactly right. The crazies are running wild right now because of a (mis)perception that McCain's moderation was the cause of the GOP defeat. A politically competent moderate, like Romney or Giuliani, might well have won in spite of the economic meltdown. Giuliani in particular might have seemed like someone people could turn to in a real crisis. The Republicans are in the same position the Dems were for many years: To win the nomination, a candidate must pass muster with radical elements whose concerns are an actual handicap in the general election.

591 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:26pm

re: #586 Erik The Red

OT: Anyone watching the Masters?

Woods is seven strokes behind

592 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:45pm

re: #588 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

of what?

Masters of the universe of golf.

593 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:49pm

re: #586 Erik The Red

OT: Anyone watching the Masters?

Oh Crap.I've been watching Law & Order! Thanks for the heads up Erik!

594 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:55pm

Regarding arms on ships, I thought that there were international conventions for "captain's arms" kept in secured lockers with limited access?

595 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #577 hous bin pharteen

438 LGoPS; "Sometimes the best weapon is the bayonet."

Does that make better sense? Hope you feel better.

Now, I don't get it........

596 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:31:50pm

re: #592 Bobblehead

Masters of the universe of golf.

I HAVE THE PUTTER!

597 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:31:56pm

re: #594 Thanos

Something like the Geneva conventions?

598 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:24pm

Is it just me, or isn't the Glenn Beck show supposed to be taken as sort of a "George Noory"-style mix of news and conspiracy stuff? I've seen the Beck show twice and he was always using "stage-voices" and deliberately hamming it up for ironic/comedic effect.
Nobody considers him "News", do they?

599 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:29pm

re: #587 Gus 802

Would probably be cheap too. At least for the first few years of a complete stand down on the travel ban.

I've travelled to Jamaica for 35 years and never got to Cuba...its only a three to four hour boat ride...I know people that did and were just blown away...

600 Lightspeed  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:36pm

Wow. I am familiar with Glenn from his radio show. I have spoken up here in his defence based on what I have heard on that show. I now realize that his TV show (and the rapid rise in the ratings) have completely gone to his head. This clip is as bad as anything I have ever seen Olbermann do, even if I agree with much of what Beck is saying. This is the WWF of political discourse. Perhaps Glenn and Olbemann could face off in a cage match. Wow. I didn't believe it, but Beck has truly gone Howard Beale. And he talks about how the people want "common sense" out of Washington at the end of his rant. Didn't anyone at Fox have enough common sense to tell Beck that pretending to pour gasoline on a guest puts him into the ranks of the unserious? I am speechless.

601 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #572 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hell, I owe YOU a beer for all the shots I've taken at you!
(no pun intended)
:D

Loads of fun!

602 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #588 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

of what?

US Masters. Augusta. Golf.

603 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #590 Shiplord Kirel

I think this is exactly right. The crazies are running wild right now because of a (mis)perception that McCain's moderation was the cause of the GOP defeat. A politically competent moderate, like Romney or Giuliani, might well have won in spite of the economic meltdown. Giuliani in particular might have seemed like someone people could turn to in a real crisis. The Republicans are in the same position the Dems were for many years: To win the nomination, a candidate must pass muster with radical elements whose concerns are an actual handicap in the general election.

More than that, this was a replica of the Dole vs. Clinton campaign. Old Republican vs. young Charismatic Dem from Hope....

604 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:47pm

re: #595 LGoPs

Now, I don't get it........

Men with pikes. Nothing more scary than a bayonet charge at close quarters.

605 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:33:01pm

re: #575 LGoPs

If it was grapeshot you were using you would more appropriately owe him a glass of wine.....

It was chainshot, trying to get him three sheets to the wind.

/rigging up another line to spar upon

606 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:33:11pm

re: #597 BlueCanuck

Something like the Geneva conventions?

No, I'm thinking international law of the seas

607 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #605 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Keep it up and we will lower the boom on you.

608 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:33:49pm

re: #586 Erik The Red

Just turned it on. Anything good happen so far?

609 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:34:10pm
610 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #589 Iron Fist

Fucking Ted Kennedy wrote the "No Child Left Behind" act and the Left still bitch that it wasn't Left enough.

They always call it "Bush's NCLB Act" too, as if Bush wrote it and decreed it by Imperious executive order.

Tell the average idiot lefty that Ted Kennedy wrote it and they wont believe you.

611 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:34:52pm

re: #608 Lincolntf

Just turned it on. Anything good happen so far?

It just came on here now.

612 ghengis was a wuss  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:34:53pm

re: #232 Yashmak

Oh, I'm enraged about it too. But if attending a protest like this involves laying down with the lunatic fringe like Beck has obviously joined, I'll placate myself by sending letters expressing my outrage to my elected officials. . .the text of which probably won't mention things like book burnings or setting us on fire.

I have written angry emails, letters and made phone calls and all I get is condecension from my reps and senators. Form letters blowing me off. So good luck with that. It has no effect.

People are so angry that our representatives are not representing us; but their own selfish interests, that they are willing to get off their couch and go hold a sign at a protest. I've never been to one in my life until March. I plan to go wed to a tea party and get in front of any media, if they deign to show up.

613 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:35:07pm

re: #579 jwb7605

The only argument I've got with that analysis is the last point. Without Palin, I think it would have been 60-40 Obama, instead of 52-48. Palin was the reason the religious far-right didn't stay home.
I did not support Palin on a religious-far-right basis -- it was for other equally stupid reasons. I do have, though, several (meaning tens and tens) of in-laws that are, in fact, religious far-right. I base my observations on that small sampling.

And I think that for every religious fundamentalist Sarah Palin brought in, she turned off two fence-sitters who might have gone for McCain.

614 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:35:25pm

re: #556 jcm

Transom? You advising I take stern measures then.

You mast do what you mast do.....

615 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:35:54pm

re: #586 Erik The Red

OT: Anyone watching the Masters?

The Dutch Masters? Kind of like watching paint dry while smoking a cigar.

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:35:58pm

re: #607 BlueCanuck

Keep it up and we will lower the boom on you.

SHEET!

617 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #571 SixDegrees

Unfortunately, there isn't anything resembling leadership in the party at the moment to help formulate and guide a winning strategy.

The problem is that there are so many competing factions within the party right now. If you move towards libertarianism, the Christianists and neocons will bail, move towards more engagement overseas and lose credibility on the deficit argument, embrace fundamentalism and lose the rationalists, support personal and civil liberties and the authoritarians will walk. The GOP might be on it's last legs - I honestly have no idea how it can recover after Bush.

618 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:36:23pm

re: #596 CyanSnowHawk

I HAVE THE PUTTER!


Doing everything HeManly possible to come up with another pun.

619 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #614 LGoPs

You mast do what you mast do.....

Oh, belay that and cast off.

620 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:37:08pm

re: #606 Thanos

No, I'm thinking international law of the seas

I also saw several interviews (the best one was O'Reilly) where the question was asked.
O'Reilly's followup question was why mercenaries (Blackwater, for example) weren't hired to act as 'bodyguards'.

The response was that Maritime law does not prevent arms (small arms) on a merchant ship in any way. The problem was that many ports of harbor will stop the ship and conduct inspections, which cost a couple of days turnaround time.

621 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:38:18pm

Bogie at 9 o'clock.

622 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:38:23pm

Wow! I think Glenn is nucking futs. "Why doesn't he just shoot me in the head?" Serious WTF? How did this man survive the carter years?

I guess part of me is shocked a pundit could say something like that and keep his job- that's seriously fucked up to suggest the president should shoot anyone in the head. What is fox thinking?!

623 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:38:41pm

In the 1980's ships were armed:

Image: File:Target_practice.jpg

624 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:38:45pm

re: #613 Charles

And I think that for every religious fundamentalist Sarah Palin brought in, she turned off two fence-sitters who might have gone for McCain.

We will have to respectfully disagree.
Possibly due to our own geographic locations? The people I refer to live in far SouthWestern Nebraska, Eastern Wyoming.

625 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:38:45pm

re: #620 jwb7605

I also saw several interviews (the best one was O'Reilly) where the question was asked.
O'Reilly's followup question was why mercenaries (Blackwater, for example) weren't hired to act as 'bodyguards'.

The response was that Maritime law does not prevent arms (small arms) on a merchant ship in any way. The problem was that many ports of harbor will stop the ship and conduct inspections, which cost a couple of days turnaround time.

totally illogical...some fucked up premise in there someplace

626 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:39:16pm

re: #613 Charles

And I think that for every religious fundamentalist Sarah Palin brought in, she turned off two fence-sitters who might have gone for McCain.

I might not agree with the 2-for-1 figure (nitpicking), but you DO have a point.

McCain was the problem (and as a former long-time AZ resident, I have tremendous respect for the man.)

627 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:39:42pm

re: #622 Sharmuta

Wow! I think Glenn is nucking futs. "Why doesn't he just shoot me in the head?" Serious WTF? How did this man survive the carter years?

I guess part of me is shocked a pundit could say something like that and keep his job- that's seriously fucked up to suggest the president should shoot anyone in the head. What is fox thinking?!

Hey Sharmuta. I expected you to be here a little earlier today. :)

628 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:39:59pm

re: #613 Charles

And I think that for every religious fundamentalist Sarah Palin brought in, she turned off two fence-sitters who might have gone for McCain.

I'm certainly no religious fundamentalist but I was impressed by Palin's common sense, her achievements, her integrity. We live in a country where women are applauded and praised, except when they happen to be Republican. There was no excuse whatsoever for the vitriol that the media directed against her. And the fence sitters that lapped it up were probably not to be counted on in that case anyway. IMO.

629 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:00pm

re: #210 Eowyn2

I'd guess that the captain entered the water making as little splash as possible and tried to swim away. he probably has his hands bound so was hampered. if both hands and feet are tied, he can only dolphin kick on his back and that would alert the pirates before someone from the ship saw him. Please remember that the crew took back the ship and forced the pirates off of it. They have watchers.

As tammy bruce said this moring.
4 marine snipers
4 bullets

The report I heard was that the pirates immediately jumped in after him, and manhandled him back to the boat. Not a very opportune moment to start shooting, especially at midnight, which is when this occurred.

I think the Navy is doing exactly the right thing. The pirates and their hostage are hundreds of miles offshore with no gasoline and limited supplies, if any. Let them float there. They aren't going anywhere, and as long as the captain is healthy there's no need to rush things. Thirst, hunger and fatigue are all working on the Navy's side, as well.

The French just ended their own, very similar hostage situation. They raided the boat after a week, and one of the hostages is dead. Perhaps this was unavoidable, and an assault was necessary given the dynamics at work. But it isn't a happy outcome.

There's another good reason for waiting. There are a number of ships and other resources being moved into position for what seems to be a possible assault on pirate port facilities. They are certainly setting up to track the movements of these men, either in their lifeboat or if they wind up ashore.

The Monday Morning Quarterbacking is simply that; you aren't on the scene, you aren't calling the shots, and all that is probably just as well because you don't have any experience in such things anyway. Sorry to be harsh, but the primary concern here is getting the captain back in one piece. Once that's been accomplished, I'm all for swift, harsh retribution. But not before.

630 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:16pm

re: #589 Iron Fist

This has to change. If it doesn't, then all we are really doing is re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic. The goddamn ship is still sinking, but maybe if we have another brandy it'll be OK...

The ship has sunk, now we are all swimming for life rafts, (tying this back to the topic) Glenn Beck is one of those rafts.

631 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:19pm

Who would have thought that such a peaceful religion would stoop to this:
Huge Bomb Lab Found in Mosque

Hamas terrorists in Kalkilya built a large supply of bombs and stored them in a local mosque without raising suspicion from local Palestinian Authority armed forces who represent the rival Fatah faction. However, the terrorists were out of luck on Wednesday, Passover eve, when a simple electric shortage gave away their plans.

The shortage caused a small fire in the mosque, bringing PA forces to the building, where they found bombs ready for use and large cannisters of bomb-making materials. The mosque was closed down, and PA sappers removed the explosives.

The bombs were then turned over to the IDF, which sent experts to detonate the weapons in a controlled explosion.


That small fire could have set it all off.
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632 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:35pm

re: #626 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I might not agree with the 2-for-1 figure (nitpicking), but you DO have a point.

McCain was the problem (and as a former long-time AZ resident, I have tremendous respect for the man.)

McCain had no business running for president...it still pisses me off

633 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #622 Sharmuta

What is fox thinking?!

Apparently only as far as the money and ratings go. I guess they are telling us "You watch and then decide". Best way to stop it is to stop watching.

634 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:45pm

re: #625 albusteve

totally illogical...some fucked up premise in there someplace

Not really. I suspect bean counters sat down and computed the cost of the delays and the salaries of mercenaries vs. the cost of insurance, the probability of an individual incident, and simple math related things.

Money. Always follow the money.

635 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #627 Erik The Red

Work required my professional ass kicking abilities.

636 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:40:54pm

re: #619 Athos

Oh, belay that and cast off.

That's the sprit........

637 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #617 ellcon

The problem is that there are so many competing factions within the party right now. If you move towards libertarianism, the Christianists and neocons will bail, move towards more engagement overseas and lose credibility on the deficit argument, embrace fundamentalism and lose the rationalists, support personal and civil liberties and the authoritarians will walk. The GOP might be on it's last legs - I honestly have no idea how it can recover after Bush.

American political parties are collections of factions that would in proportional election systems be narrowly defined ideological parties of their own.

Our “winner take all” district election system favors large umbrella parties.

The factional fights are part and parcel of our system.

There is no getting around. The fight must be fought.

638 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:41:08pm

re: #617 ellcon

The problem is that there are so many competing factions within the party right now. If you move towards libertarianism, the Christianists and neocons will bail, move towards more engagement overseas and lose credibility on the deficit argument, embrace fundamentalism and lose the rationalists, support personal and civil liberties and the authoritarians will walk. The GOP might be on it's last legs - I honestly have no idea how it can recover after Bush.

The same thing could have been said about the Democrats a few years ago. The Republicans had a nice run since Reagan. They have just lost their way for now. The Democrats and their "Progressive" ideas are just more of the same worn out socialist and statist BS ideas repackaged with a shiny Obama label on them. They will have a chance to run things for a while, but you are mistaken if you think that the Republicans are done for. Who will take their place? I will never vote for what the Dems offer and there are 10 of millions of people that feel that way as well.

639 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:41:24pm

re: #602 Erik The Red

US Masters. Augusta. Golf.

The Master of the US is Augusta Golf?

/

640 coloradobuff  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:41:36pm

Over the top? Likely. Would I do that? No. However, compared to "end times" ranting and similar stuff he's associated himself with, that particular message was fairly accurate, in my view.

I personally don't mind a little humor (OK, some may say very little) to get a point across. I'm not going to condemn him for that little skit just because he's not as boring as I am.

There should be some happy medium out there for conservative pundits between completely whacky and a total lack of passion. I don't think too many are in that middle space, though.

641 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:41:47pm

re: #634 jwb7605

Not really. I suspect bean counters sat down and computed the cost of the delays and the salaries of mercenaries vs. the cost of insurance, the probability of an individual incident, and simple math related things.

Money. Always follow the money.

you illustrate my point

642 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:42:02pm

re: #630 ellcon

looks like I knocked off the closing quote tag...

643 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:42:03pm

re: #635 Sharmuta

Work required my professional ass kicking abilities.

Sharm...we need you on the high seas right now.

644 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:42:35pm

re: #633 Athos

Apparently only as far as the money and ratings go. I guess they are telling us "You watch and then decide". Best way to stop it is to stop watching.

Which I've done. For years now.

I'm seriously concerned about Beck's mental health after that comment. Who in their right minds asked the president to shoot them?! ON TELEVISION!

Feels like 'Network'.

645 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:42:40pm

re: #610 ArchangelMichael

They always call it "Bush's NCLB Act" too, as if Bush wrote it and decreed it by Imperious executive order.

The left's response to NCLB is always:

"But, but, Bush didn't fund it!"

effin' liars, the bunch of em'
IIRC there were some planned funding increases delayed. We're talking small numbers here, not a lot of dollars. And they cry - he didn't fund it. Oh Bullshit!

646 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:42:56pm

re: #641 albusteve

you illustrate my point

I'm unhappy to say "thank you".

647 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:43:07pm

re: #625 albusteve

totally illogical...some fucked up premise in there someplace

If it's a matter of worrying about arms trade they could consider bolted down weapons systems. Couple of well placed MGs for example -- bolted down. Crowd control electronic weapons, etc. On-board security team.

648 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:43:21pm
649 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:44:04pm

Sarah Palin is an easy scapegoat. Her name became a punchline within minutes of her being introduced to the American people. As a result, virtually no critique of her is objective. Whatever else she is, she's an object lesson in the immediacy and pervasiveness of group-think.

650 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:44:09pm

re: #622 Sharmuta

Wow! I think Glenn is nucking futs. "Why doesn't he just shoot me in the head?" Serious WTF? How did this man survive the carter years?

He would have been a teenager in the Carter years. Probably had a mullet, a Camaro, and was rocking out to Lynyrd Skynyrd and AC/DC, and didn't give a damn about politics.

651 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:44:30pm

re: #647 Gus 802

If it's a matter of worrying about arms trade they could consider bolted down weapons systems. Couple of well placed MGs for example -- bolted down. Crowd control electronic weapons, etc. On-board security team.

I think they're concerned about the poorly-paid 3rd world crew deciding they'd get more money turning the ship over to pirates.

652 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:44:52pm

re: #595 LGoPs

If the best weapon is a bayonet, what do you do if you don't have one?
If your in the woods, hit him with a log, since a tree branch is to small. It was just a joke. It looks like it was a bad one.

653 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:44:56pm

re: #573 BlueCanuck

Several hundred yards? Heck in the infantry we trained at those ranges with iron sights. Of course firing on a ship might be a bit difficult, but a couple of scoped M-16's should do the trick quite nicely.

The issues are the pirates are inside a enclosed boat and both the target and shooter are bobbing up and down in the ocean.

654 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:46:00pm

re: #643 Bobblehead

Sharm...we need you on the high seas right now.

Well- that's sweet, but I don't kick ass as much as our armed forces.

655 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:46:02pm
656 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:47:09pm

re: #651 Kosh's Shadow

I think they're concerned about the poorly-paid 3rd world crew deciding they'd get more money turning the ship over to pirates.

Which they would anyway. I don't know. Using standard naval security won't work because of the distances. It would help but it won't prevent the majority of incidents.

657 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:47:17pm

re: #652 hous bin pharteen

If the best weapon is a bayonet, what do you do if you don't have one?
If your in the woods, hit him with a log, since a tree branch is to small. It was just a joke. It looks like it was a bad one.

I gotcha now.......
:)

658 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:47:33pm

re: #573 BlueCanuck

Several hundred yards? Heck in the infantry we trained at those ranges with iron sights. Of course firing on a ship might be a bit difficult, but a couple of scoped M-16's should do the trick quite nicely.

If you can see anyone to shoot at. These guys aren't entirely stupid (well, stupid enough to attack an American ship, but still...); this is an ocean-going life raft, 28 feet long and deep enough to ride large swells and waves. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that you really ought to keep at least one of your party laying low out of sight at all times, and preferably two.

Not to mention that you have to get off four perfect shots off simultaneously that are absolutely, instantly deadly in order for this approach to work. Screw up even a little bit, and the captain's dead.

Let them float there. They aren't going anywhere, and so far they aren't doing anything immediately threatening. The Navy has ships and a long supply line to keep everyone on deck drinking Gatorade and eating sandwiches in full sight of the pirate's soon-to-be-starving asses for as long as it takes.

659 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:47:38pm

re: #632 albusteve

McCain had no business running for president...it still pisses me off

It was his right, and (devil's advocate) in a different day and age, he would have been a viable candidate.

What pisses ME off is that the Party was utterly clueless. Business as usual. Partisan bullshit. Somehow, some way, the PARTY should have never let him run. (don't ask me how)

/rant off

660 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:47:39pm

re: #654 Sharmuta

Well- that's sweet, but I don't kick ass as much as our armed forces.

I'm sure you could act as a cheerleader and a damned fine one at that.

661 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:47:47pm

re: #651 Kosh's Shadow

I think they're concerned about the poorly-paid 3rd world crew deciding they'd get more money turning the ship over to pirates.

I really could care less about anybody other than American seamen...maybe I'm callous but if you want to run your ship with savages for a crew that aint my problem

662 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:48:29pm

re: #654 Sharmuta

Well- that's sweet, but I don't kick ass as much as our armed forces.

You don't need to kick ass to be a beautiful person Sharm.
Kind regards

663 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:48:42pm

re: #655 Iron Fist

Make no mistake. Part of the vitriol that was aimed at Palin was because she made the wrong choice with Trig. If I were a person with a handicap, any integrity I think I would have a long, hard look at that fact.

And start asking some questions myself.

FTFY

664 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:49:12pm

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Master of the US is Augusta Golf?

/

OMG!
not HER!

665 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:49:52pm

re: #662 HoosierHoops

*blush*

666 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:50:04pm

re: #659 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Somehow, some way, the PARTY should have never let him run. (don't ask me how)

Eliminate open primaries. Let Republicans argue and debate the candidates then let them vote for the one they want. Why skew it to include Democrats or Independents having a role selecting the GOP's candidate?

667 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:50:41pm
668 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:50:46pm

re: #655 Iron Fist

Make no mistake. Part of the vitriol that was aimed at Palin was because she made the wrong choice with Trig. If I were a person with a handicap, I think I would have a long, hard look at that fact.

And start asking some questions myself.

Pres Obama needs to ask himself some questions about that.

669 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:50:49pm

Charles,

McCain actually jumped ahead after nominating Palin. Like her or not, she's popular with a lot of the base, and in my opinion, was a net gain for JM.

670 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:50:50pm

re: #648 Iron Fist

I regret that I have but one upding to give for this comment.

671 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #635 Sharmuta

Work required my professional ass kicking abilities.

*slinking quietly to the side of the room*
*crickets*

(-:

672 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:52:19pm

re: #666 Athos

Eliminate open primaries. Let Republicans argue and debate the candidates then let them vote for the one they want. Why skew it to include Democrats or Independents having a role selecting the GOP's candidate?

I thought closed primaries tended to skew to the extreme side of the party that used them.

673 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:52:30pm

re: #658 SixDegrees

True, but I am sure that there is enough tech to do the job like that. I believe though that the reason that hasn't happened is that some ROE is tying the naval operations hands. Four simultaneous shots with thermographic scopes into a life raft would pose no problem at all.

674 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:52:40pm

re: #660 Bobblehead

I'm sure you could act as a cheerleader and a damned fine one at that.

A co-worker and I discussed this earlier. We thought perhaps ships in this area should start adding additional members to their crews- of the highly armed variety.

675 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:52:56pm

My bed is calling. Good Night Lizards. See you on the LNDT tomorrow.

676 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:53:36pm

re: #669 Ed from Ohio

Charles,

McCain actually jumped ahead after nominating Palin. Like her or not, she's popular with a lot of the base, and in my opinion, was a net gain for JM.

I think a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon after it became obvious she wasn't prepared to be president.

677 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:53:57pm

re: #552 albusteve

I'm no fan of the Castro regime, I just don't like the idea that the state dept can tell me I can or can't go...I hate the feds...we are not at war with Cuba

So it would be cool to vacation in Cuba, is that it? How about Gaza, Iran, N Korea? What, not enough palm trees, no Cubo libras? Please get a clue about Cuba. Do you really think that dropping your tourist dollars there will come to a good end? Where do you imagine that your dollars will go? If you think that Communism is not a threat than you will certainly enjoy your celebrity cruise with Michael Moore. And bon voyage!

678 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #664 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG!
not HER!

THAT BITCH!

679 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:55:40pm

re: #666 Athos

Eliminate open primaries. Let Republicans argue and debate the candidates then let them vote for the one they want. Why skew it to include Democrats or Independents having a role selecting the GOP's candidate?

See Cyan's #672.

Open primaries can benefit as well as hinder.
I crossed over at least once, maybe twice.

680 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:56:24pm

re: #552 albusteve

I'm no fan of the Castro regime, I just don't like the idea that the state dept can tell me I can or can't go...I hate the feds...we are not at war with Cuba

I think the position is, "go where ever you want, just don't call us if you get in a bind". But, I could be mistaken.

681 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:56:40pm

re: #678 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THAT BITCH!

She's just like her mother!

682 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #674 Sharmuta

A co-worker and I discussed this earlier. We thought perhaps ships in this area should start adding additional members to their crews- of the highly armed variety.

I think that as soon as Lloyds requires that, all of this piracy nonsense will stop.

683 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:56:58pm

re: #672 CyanSnowHawk

I thought closed primaries tended to skew to the extreme side of the party that used them.

It can - if they are the ones that can mobilize the get out to vote effort. But that can get countered by getting the non-extremists out as well. The challenge is getting past apathy.

684 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #613 Charles

And I think that for every religious fundamentalist Sarah Palin brought in, she turned off two fence-sitters who might have gone for McCain.

In all honesty, I thought Palin was the best decision McCain madem, since she was the only true conservative on either ticket.

But after 'Troopergate', her wardrobe selection, her pregnant daughter and the numerous false stories the MSM ran with (the banned books, the very tenuous Buchanan link) I highly doubt it was the fundamentalist whackos that turned voters off of her.

685 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:57:06pm

re: #675 Erik The Red

Good night!

686 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:57:28pm

re: #676 KingKenrod

I think a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon after it became obvious she wasn't prepared to be president.

By that logic, EVERYBODY should have jumped off the Obama/Biden bandwagon.

... or crawled under the bus ...

I cannot envision a man less qualified to become president than Joe Biden, and the thought of Obama's loss under any circumstances is scary.

687 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:57:34pm

Night Erik, see you tomorrow maybe.

688 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:58:07pm

re: #673 BlueCanuck

True, but I am sure that there is enough tech to do the job like that. I believe though that the reason that hasn't happened is that some ROE is tying the naval operations hands. Four simultaneous shots with thermographic scopes into a life raft would pose no problem at all.

From a moving platform, at a moving (well, bobbing anyway) target, from over 300 yards? Doesn't sound like a high percentage shot by any stretch of the imagination, and you expect 4?

689 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:58:17pm
690 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:58:26pm

re: #676 KingKenrod

I think a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon after it became obvious she wasn't prepared to be president.

I hear what you're saying but I rebel at the logic (not yours but of those that thought this). By any reasonable comparison her experience, or lack of it, should have been off the table when compared to Obama, who was running for the top slot. He had fucking zero experience other than as an agitator. His greatest claim to fame was as a community organizer fercryinoutloud.
One of the biggest casualties in this country is the death of critical thinking.

691 ellcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:58:32pm

re: #677 The Shadow Do

So it would be cool to vacation in Cuba, is that it? How about Gaza, Iran, N Korea? What, not enough palm trees, no Cubo libras? Please get a clue about Cuba. Do you really think that dropping your tourist dollars there will come to a good end? Where do you imagine that your dollars will go? If you think that Communism is not a threat than you will certainly enjoy your celebrity cruise with Michael Moore. And bon voyage!

You'll have to remember that when you drop your dollars at Walmart, or Target, or just about any other store in the country. China has us by the balls, so maybe a nice cigar on a Cuban beach would melt away some of your stress.

692 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:58:33pm

re: #683 Athos

It can - if they are the ones that can mobilize the get out to vote effort. But that can get countered by getting the non-extremists out as well. The challenge is getting past apathy.

EXCELLENT point!

693 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:58:57pm
694 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:59:24pm
695 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:00:02pm

re: #677 The Shadow Do

So it would be cool to vacation in Cuba, is that it? How about Gaza, Iran, N Korea? What, not enough palm trees, no Cubo libras? Please get a clue about Cuba. Do you really think that dropping your tourist dollars there will come to a good end? Where do you imagine that your dollars will go? If you think that Communism is not a threat than you will certainly enjoy your celebrity cruise with Michael Moore. And bon voyage!

I go where I want...where do you think your dollars go when you visit San Franciso?...

696 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:00:40pm

re: #688 CyanSnowHawk

Well you wouldn't have your worst shots doing the job would you? I knew quite a few crack shots in my unit, and that was just reservists.

697 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:01:03pm

re: #617 ellcon

The problem is that there are so many competing factions within the party right now. If you move towards libertarianism, the Christianists and neocons will bail, move towards more engagement overseas and lose credibility on the deficit argument, embrace fundamentalism and lose the rationalists, support personal and civil liberties and the authoritarians will walk. The GOP might be on it's last legs - I honestly have no idea how it can recover after Bush.

A return to traditional Conservatism seems prudent. By that, I mean core Conservative values like small, limited government that keeps it's nose out of my business and everyone else's. They also need to make clear that, although this value set shares a good deal of overlap with that of many other groups, the party will not become an instrument to impose a theocracy of any kind, and those who want to use it for such purposes are not only not welcome, but need to understand that such actions are as fundamentally un-American and un-Constitutional as it is possible to be, and are at odds with the Conservative tenets just mentioned. The GOP, or any Conservative movement wishing to gain traction with the public, needs to stress that their goal is to create a nation where everyone - everyone - is free to live their lives according to their own beliefs and values with as few government-imposed constraints as possible, and where government does not intrude into it's citizen's lives except in extraordinary circumstances.

I can't tell you how many moderates I know who are seeing the upcoming budget proposal as a disaster of unprecedented scope, who are vocally opposing it and looking around for anyone who will stand against it, but who simply cannot bring themselves to listen to the GOP anymore because of the corrosive, oppressive dominance of the religious right and their open attempts to establish a state religion. The fear that these zealots will turn America into the next Afghanistan, with a twisted, Christianity-based Taliban legislating behavior, is palpable and altogether reasonable. Flushing these kooks out of the party is certainly one step; making it crystal clear that the party doesn't support such views and will actively work against them is another. A middle ground, welcoming their support where common ground can be found while rejecting their un-Constitutional pursuit of fundie jihad, is certainly the best solution. But it seems incredibly unlikely to come about, as the fringe is all too happy to heap fire and brimstone, and even to deploy actual flamethrowers, against those who don't share their tyrannical views.

698 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:01:21pm

re: #688 CyanSnowHawk

From a moving platform, at a moving (well, bobbing anyway) target, from over 300 yards? Doesn't sound like a high percentage shot by any stretch of the imagination, and you expect 4?

I wonder if the pirates are keeping a "topside" watch at night. The sailors on the Bainbridge aren't commandos, ... but ....

699 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:01:44pm

re: #680 rawmuse

I think the position is, "go where ever you want, just don't call us if you get in a bind". But, I could be mistaken.

I don't think so...it's punitive imo

700 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:01:52pm

re: #691 ellcon

You'll have to remember that when you drop your dollars at Walmart, or Target, or just about any other store in the country. China has us by the balls, so maybe a nice cigar on a Cuban beach would melt away some of your stress.

Bull.

701 Anna D  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:01:54pm

Ed from Ohio #442: you nailed it.

#444 The moral and intellectual high ground has already been lost. The 18-30 year old voting bloc has been brainwashed in the public schools to think it's all America's fault. There isn't enough private schooling and homeschooling to reverse that trend. When the poll says that 53% think capitalism is better than socialism (meaning the other 47% think socialism is better), there is no high ground left. We need to take back the government-run schools (or abandon them in droves) and use the legal system the way they have so far.

702 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:01:56pm

re: #689 Crampa

I don't know about you Einstein..But I never wallow..never...jeez

703 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:02:43pm

re: #689 Crampa

Excuse me?!

704 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:02:44pm

re: #682 Syrah

I think that as soon as Lloyds requires that, all of this piracy nonsense will stop.

Just slightly more cost effective, huh?

705 DEZes  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:02:47pm

re: #689 Crampa

(Logged in)
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Glenn Beck, is that you?

706 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:03:06pm

re: #677 The Shadow Do

So it would be cool to vacation in Cuba, is that it? How about Gaza, Iran, N Korea? What, not enough palm trees, no Cubo libras? Please get a clue about Cuba. Do you really think that dropping your tourist dollars there will come to a good end? Where do you imagine that your dollars will go? If you think that Communism is not a threat than you will certainly enjoy your celebrity cruise with Michael Moore. And bon voyage!

What about:

Vietnam
Venezuela
China

707 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:03:22pm

Glen Beck is on right now

708 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:03:33pm

re: #689 Crampa

Please get your own blog so we can come over and tell you what you should post.

709 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:03:36pm

Crampa
Registered since: Jul 6, 2007 at 8:50 am
No. of comments posted: 2
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I wonder if the other comment was complaining about the subject matter as well?

710 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:04:00pm

re: #658 SixDegrees


Let them float there. They aren't going anywhere, and so far they aren't doing anything immediately threatening. The Navy has ships and a long supply line to keep everyone on deck drinking Gatorade and eating sandwiches in full sight of the pirate's soon-to-be-starving asses for as long as it takes.


It's amazing how the tone of LGF can change over a few hours with the comings and goings of various regulars. Earlier, it was much more hawkish then the measured and reasonable tone I see now.

711 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:04:21pm

i just posted this gem to the links real deal or over the top fake?

"A site dedicated to the preservation of truth, justice and the American way. Where true American citizens can monitor and report all anti-obama activities taking place on the world wide web.

This is a place where one can post and report on all activities, web sites and or blogs that would be considered erroneous, slanderous or detrimental to the newly elected President of the United States.

There are those who go under the disguise of patriotism who seek to undermine the President by reporting false allegations as truth and there by starting a incendiary viral campaigns based on lies and innuendo.

This site is dedicated to exposing all of them. Bringing those guilty of playing with the fire of deceitful comments out of their secret little lairs, the forums where they think they are safe to discuss their hate mongering and racist ways and expose them to the light of day for all the public to see.

They are extremely scared of this, so please for the sake of the American way, join our cause and root out these sites and post them for all the world to see."

712 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:04:24pm

re: #707 kiwiviv

Glen Beck is on right now

Thankfully, I can't watch it.

713 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:04:40pm

Beck is on Fox News out here in CA, the shows just starting, I think he'll melt down with in 15 min.

714 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:04:48pm

re: #706 Gus 802

What about:

Vietnam
Venezuela
China

tourism in Viet Nam is skyrocketing...an ex GI friend of mine went there last year a simply loved it

715 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:04:55pm

re: #709 CyanSnowHawk

Crampa
Registered since: Jul 6, 2007 at 8:50 am
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I wonder if the other comment was complaining about the subject matter as well?

And... nowitsgone!

716 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:05:20pm

re: #705 DEZes

(Logged in)
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Glenn Beck, is that you?

LOL..ok I'm getting off the floor laughing..2 posts in 2 years and WE need to take, discuss and review issues by Fiat from this lizards? OH PLEASE!
Good catch DEZ..

717 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:05:24pm

re: #673 BlueCanuck

True, but I am sure that there is enough tech to do the job like that. I believe though that the reason that hasn't happened is that some ROE is tying the naval operations hands. Four simultaneous shots with thermographic scopes into a life raft would pose no problem at all.

Sounds like a great screenplay. But this is real life, and things aren't that neat and tidy.

At the moment, there is zero risk in just sitting and waiting. And no downside.

That may change, of course. But right now, the sniper idea is infinitely more risky than what they're doing.

718 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:05:43pm

re: #695 albusteve

I was tempted to go to Cuba in the late 90s.....great climate, beautiful women, passionate about baseball and....still using vintage American and German steam locomotives to bring in the sugar harvest each year (like the vintage automobiles, that was neccecary because of the embargo). Alot of stuff to offset my Fidel/Che loathing....

I think alot of these were on the up and up, since a tour operator in Nevada sent me some information about it. They probably had some sort of permission from the state Dept., otherwise they were basically advertising 'Hey! Look at us! We'll be breaking the law June 23-27!'

719 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:05:46pm

re: #705 DEZes

(Logged in)
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Glenn Beck, is that you?

Odds on getting to 4 comments?

720 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:06:00pm

re: #676 KingKenrod

I think a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon after it became obvious she wasn't prepared to be president.

She was more prepared than the one that was elected. And she was only the vice-presidential candidate.

721 Spiritualized  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:06:09pm

When even the French (!) pick up their guns first, surely alarm bells must start ringing in Barry's mind?

thejawareport: Shame: Even the French Show More Balls than Obama

Via CNN:(CNN) -- A French hostage and two pirates died Friday in a rescue operation off Somalia's coastline, the French president's office in Paris said Friday.

Four hostages, including a child, were freed from the hijacked yacht after almost a week of captivity, Nicolas Sarkozy's office said.

The French military decided to move in when pirates refused their offers and increased threats against the hostages, it said.

The four adults and a child had been held aboard their yacht, the Tanit, since it was seized in the Gulf of Aden on Saturday, the president's statement said.

722 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:06:17pm

re: #688 CyanSnowHawk

From a moving platform, at a moving (well, bobbing anyway) target, from over 300 yards? Doesn't sound like a high percentage shot by any stretch of the imagination, and you expect 4?

too much TV,. not enough BRM

723 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #695 albusteve

I go where I want...where do you think your dollars go when you visit San Franciso?...

You are a fool. Go attend a Chavez rally. Get with the program comrade.

724 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:07:21pm

re: #712 Sharmuta

Thankfully, I can't watch it.

That's fine...he is actually making a lot of sense right now. I don't like everything he says...or how he says it, but he sure is better than most of the other commentators on the major networks.

725 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:07:34pm

re: #714 albusteve

tourism in Viet Nam is skyrocketing...an ex GI friend of mine went there last year a simply loved it

I know some Vietnamese people that went back for visiting family. I've only seen videos and images but parts of it look very beautiful. Still very much a Communist country but mixed like China is right now. Even though they won't admit to having a mixed economy.

726 DEZes  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #719 jcm

Odds on getting to 4 comments?

I would touch that bet on my drunkest day. ;)

727 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:07:38pm

re: #722 redc1c4

too much TV,. not enough BRM

Jack Bauer could make the shot.... with a handgun!

//

728 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:04pm

re: #716 HoosierHoops

LOL..ok I'm getting off the floor laughing..2 posts in 2 years and WE need to take, discuss and review issues by Fiat from this lizards? OH PLEASE!
Good catch DEZ..

It seems another sockpuppet came out of its hiding spot to kamikaze into irrelevance and a deleted comment.

729 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:08pm

re: #714 albusteve

tourism in Viet Nam is skyrocketing...an ex GI friend of mine went there last year a simply loved it

McCain even visited recently - including a trip to the Hanoi Hilton he once stayed at.
/really.

730 DEZes  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #716 HoosierHoops

(((HOOPS)))
Have a drink on me! ;)
Its Friday, my fellow Hoosier.

731 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:34pm

Federal budget deficit sets March record $192.3B

The Treasury Department said Friday that the budget deficit increased by $192.3 billion in March, and is near $1 trillion just halfway through the budget year, as costs of the financial bailout and recession mount.

Last month's deficit, a record for March, was significantly higher than the $150 billion that economists expected.

Is glenn flaming yet?

732 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:37pm

re: #695 albusteve

I go where I want...where do you think your dollars go when you visit San Franciso?...

You probably don't want to think too hard about that. You may want to run any change through the laundry when you get home as well.

733 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:54pm

re: #696 BlueCanuck

Well you wouldn't have your worst shots doing the job would you? I knew quite a few crack shots in my unit, and that was just reservists.

moving platform to moving platform, both moving in 3 axises?

that's asking a lot, and if you don't kill all 4 right off the bat, the hostage is toast.

as they say in CQB training "it sucks to be a the hostage"

734 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:08:59pm

re: #706 Gus 802

What about:

Vietnam
Venezuela
China

Two years ago, with a former employer, there was a slim possibility that I'd be sent to a semiconductor fab (mfg plant) in China for a week or two.

When the topic came up, I went poker-faced and started brainstorming options.

/contracting leprosy ... getting kidnapped by the mob ... et cetera ... :D

735 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:09:01pm

re: #718 Fenway_Nation

I was tempted to go to Cuba in the late 90s.....great climate, beautiful women, passionate about baseball and....still using vintage American and German steam locomotives to bring in the sugar harvest each year (like the vintage automobiles, that was neccecary because of the embargo). Alot of stuff to offset my Fidel/Che loathing....

I think alot of these were on the up and up, since a tour operator in Nevada sent me some information about it. They probably had some sort of permission from the state Dept., otherwise they were basically advertising 'Hey! Look at us! We'll be breaking the law June 23-27!'

lots of people just take a boat up from Jamaica, spend some time and come back...none of the people I know that do this have ever even been asked for a passport or gone through customs/immigration...that's how I would do it....a long way from the airport and to the more remote SE area

736 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #724 kiwiviv

That's fine...he is actually making a lot of sense right now. I don't like everything he says...or how he says it, but he sure is better than most of the other commentators on the major networks.

He's insane. He wants the President to shoot him in the head.

737 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #731 Sharmuta

Federal budget deficit sets March record $192.3B


Is glenn flaming yet?

Don't make me look......

738 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:09:37pm

re: #717 SixDegrees

Of course this isn't a screenplay or neat and tidy. That's why they are in the situation over there at the moment. Unlike you, I do have a high faith in regular troops marksmanship. Besides, don't they also have higher ground from the ship they would be on? Just saying.

/besides most of the tech I used in my day is now obsolete.

739 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:09:49pm

re: #719 jcm

Odds on getting to 4 comments?

Whatever happened to the linemaker, Vegasrick?

740 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:05pm

re: #699 albusteve

According to the State Dept., not so.
Go there if you want, I have.

741 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:07pm

re: #728 Athos

It seems another sockpuppet came out of its hiding spot to kamikaze into irrelevance and a deleted comment.

Ha. They're like lizard suicide bombers. Run onto the thread, shoot off the comment and disappear in a hail of electronic return fire from the lizard army.
I love the image......

742 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:23pm

re: #672 CyanSnowHawk

I thought closed primaries tended to skew to the extreme side of the party that used them.

This is a misunderstanding of how umbrella parties work. While many proponents of open primaries say that it will moderate the extremes, it really does not do anything of the kind. I think that it in fact actually emboldens the extremes.

The two major American parties are made up of many factions. There is a general ideology governing them, not a narrow one. One group of factions may be more effective at getting its people to the meetings and the polls one year, another group the next.

The many factions that make up the party have moderates and extremist of their own.

Open primaries make a muddled system even more muddled, giving the media more message control then the party leaders and policy makers. This is not a problem if the media is generally made up of people who favor your party's policies, but it can be a real hindrance when they do not.

I think that throwing the primaries open to the public for a vote, whether it is a closed or an open primary makes the party's leadership too weak to do anything substantive when it comes to rouge elements within the party, such as the nirthers and the anti-evolutionist.

743 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:31pm

re: #731 Sharmuta

Federal budget deficit sets March record $192.3B

Is glenn flaming yet?

Actually Jonah Goldberg "Liberal Fascism" is talking right now - I like it

744 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:33pm

re: #727 jcm

Jack Bauer could make the shot.... with a handgun!

//

i could make it with a javelin, but that might be a bit hard on the captain.

745 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:36pm

re: #723 The Shadow Do

You are a fool. Go attend a Chavez rally. Get with the program comrade.

no reason to try and insult me...you are very judgmental and opinionated and that's okay

746 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:51pm

I like my cartoons animated.

What a bunch of dreck.

(sadly, dreck sells)

747 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:10:58pm

Sorry- but when a person makes such an insane comments as to ask if the president of the United States can shoot us all in the head, and then turns around and acts lucid- the credibility factor has already been destroyed in my mind.

748 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:11:18pm

re: #736 Sharmuta

He's insane. He wants the President to shoot him in the head.

I can't get the feed here at work. Who does he want the President to shoot in the head?

749 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:11:43pm

re: #748 LGoPs

I can't get the feed here at work. Who does he want the President to shoot in the head?

Never mind.....

750 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:12:04pm

re: #709 CyanSnowHawk

Crampa
Registered since: Jul 6, 2007 at 8:50 am
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

I wonder if the other comment was complaining about the subject matter as well?

I just went and checked. It was innocuous, about Obama's Teleprompter.

751 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:12:20pm

re: #718 Fenway_Nation

I was tempted to go to Cuba in the late 90s.....

I think alot of these were on the up and up, since a tour operator in Nevada sent me some information about it. They probably had some sort of permission from the state Dept., otherwise they were basically advertising 'Hey! Look at us! We'll be breaking the law June 23-27!'

It wasn't "Global Exchange" was it?

That's Medea "Code Pink" Benjamin's outfit. Basically a travel agency for disaffected leftists that also serves as cover for a lot of neo-commie organizing.

They are HQ'd in SFO but may have branches elsewhere. They were really pushing the trips to "Cuber" as Rush calls it when I lived in the Bay Area.

752 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:12:21pm

re: #732 CyanSnowHawk

You probably don't want to think too hard about that. You may want to run any change through the laundry when you get home as well.

indeed...talk about a foul, corrupt place

753 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:12:25pm

re: #677 The Shadow Do

So it would be cool to vacation in Cuba, is that it? How about Gaza, Iran, N Korea? What, not enough palm trees, no Cubo libras? Please get a clue about Cuba. Do you really think that dropping your tourist dollars there will come to a good end? Where do you imagine that your dollars will go? If you think that Communism is not a threat than you will certainly enjoy your celebrity cruise with Michael Moore. And bon voyage!

Actually, a strong case can be made that opening Cuba to American investment would sweep away the Castro regime and communism in general faster than any other solution. Capitalism is funny that way - it's extremely contagious. Restore a couple of the pre-revolution oceanfront hotels and casinos, and the Cuban Navy would have to work overtime turning the traffic from Miami away.

754 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:12:39pm

re: #731 Sharmuta

I don't know if he's flaming but he sure prances around a lot./

755 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:12:45pm

re: #735 albusteve

Well...I live not too far from the border from a 3rd country that could be used as a gateway.

As conflicted as I was (go and indirectly support some charismatic despot clinging to power versus wait out the embargo and miss out on alot of unique stuff that was made neccecary because of it) my wallet wound up making the decision for me since I had zero cash at the time.

756 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:13:04pm

I was unaware that Texas Governor Rick Perry followed this Beck-stunt:

(From Salon.com)
:

Beck then asked, "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire?" That would have been far enough for most people, but Beck actually went so far as to pretend to do just that to a Fox News colleague, Bill Schultz. The video is below, as just describing the segment wouldn't do justice to the all-out creepiness of the whole thing. (Unfortunately, not captured in the video is what happened next, when Texas Gov. Rick Perry came on and Beck asked, "Governor, you're regretting being on this program at this point, are you not, sir?" Perry responded, "Not at all, Glenn Beck. I'm proud to be with you.")

757 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #714 albusteve

tourism in Viet Nam is skyrocketing...an ex GI friend of mine went there last year a simply loved it

I've been there twice, its a great place, I hope to return soon.

758 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:13:16pm

re: #743 kiwiviv

Please tell me Jonah Goldberg is not debasing himself by going on Glenn Beck.

759 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:13:24pm

re: #736 Sharmuta

He's insane. He wants the President to shoot him in the head.

Now Robert Gellately who wrote "Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler: The Age of Social Catastrophe" is talking - I find it very interesting

760 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #753 SixDegrees

Capitalism is funny that way - it's extremely contagious.

Unfortunately communism is contagious too.

761 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #734 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Two years ago, with a former employer, there was a slim possibility that I'd be sent to a semiconductor fab (mfg plant) in China for a week or two.

When the topic came up, I went poker-faced and started brainstorming options.

/contracting leprosy ... getting kidnapped by the mob ... et cetera ... :D

We have a fab in China, I've avoided going twice.

762 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:14:11pm

re: #740 rawmuse

According to the State Dept., not so.
Go there if you want, I have.

thanks for that...and I intend to, maybe this year

763 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:14:31pm

re: #761 jcm

We have a fab in China, I've avoided going twice.

i can't immagine willingly going to China.

764 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:02pm

re: #763 redc1c4

i can't immagine willingly going to China.

Wonder if they have good carry-out?
/

765 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:11pm

re: #759 kiwiviv

Frankly- I bet reading the book in question would be a better use of time. But that's just me. I don't watch fox, I haven't for years, a if this is what they've sunk to, I won't be watching fox news ever again.

766 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #753 SixDegrees

Actually, a strong case can be made that opening Cuba to American investment would sweep away the Castro regime and communism in general faster than any other solution. Capitalism is funny that way - it's extremely contagious. Restore a couple of the pre-revolution oceanfront hotels and casinos, and the Cuban Navy would have to work overtime turning the traffic from Miami away.

Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me if they would respond by banning Americans coming in however but that would be a chance we'd have to take. No reason to fear Cuba IMO unless we're worried about being attacked by a fleet of "Flying" '57 Chevys.

767 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:15pm

re: #762 albusteve

thanks for that...and I intend to, maybe this year

If your experience is like mine, you will come back with a renewed appreciation for Liberty.

768 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:20pm

re: #710 avanti

It's amazing how the tone of LGF can change over a few hours with the comings and goings of various regulars. Earlier, it was much more hawkish then the measured and reasonable tone I see now.

Oh, don't look now, fuck you.

769 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:48pm

re: #760 LGoPs

Unfortunately communism is contagious too.


/ and we have been showing symptoms...

770 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:15:51pm

re: #721 Spiritualized

When even the French (!) pick up their guns first, surely alarm bells must start ringing in Barry's mind?

thejawareport: Shame: Even the French Show More Balls than Obama

How is this a good outcome? One of the hostages was killed. Now, it's possible that the circumstances had escalated to the point where a raid was considered a necessary risk, because the hostages were being threatened. But we don't know that from this report.

If it turns out that the French stormed in without such justification, the end result is horrible.

771 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:13pm

re: #751 Colonel Panik

It wasn't "Global Exchange" was it?

That's Medea "Code Pink" Benjamin's outfit. Basically a travel agency for disaffected leftists that also serves as cover for a lot of neo-commie organizing.

They are HQ'd in SFO but may have branches elsewhere. They were really pushing the trips to "Cuber" as Rush calls it when I lived in the Bay Area.

Ha ha! No....this was a travel company that specialized in tours featuring rare/unique/vintage trains. Even as a fairly naiive 20-something, I stayed away from that activist bullshit (particulary if they invloved any combination of the words 'Global', 'Social' or 'Justice').

772 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:18pm

re: #721 Spiritualized

When even the French (!) pick up their guns first, surely alarm bells must start ringing in Barry's mind?

thejawareport: Shame: Even the French Show More Balls than Obama

How so were they first, they waited a week before feeling good enough to move and still lost a hostage ? I'll trust the USN to do better.

773 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:19pm

re: #756 pink freud

I was unaware that Texas Governor Rick Perry followed this Beck-stunt:

(From Salon.com)
:

Beck then asked, "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire?" That would have been far enough for most people, but Beck actually went so far as to pretend to do just that to a Fox News colleague, Bill Schultz. The video is below, as just describing the segment wouldn't do justice to the all-out creepiness of the whole thing. (Unfortunately, not captured in the video is what happened next, when Texas Gov. Rick Perry came on and Beck asked, "Governor, you're regretting being on this program at this point, are you not, sir?" Perry responded, "Not at all, Glenn Beck. I'm proud to be with you.")

Not surprising at all. Rick Perry is a hardcore creationist pusher, who appointed young earth creationist Don McLeroy to the Texas Board of Education twice. Glenn Beck is also a creationist.

Loony birds of a feather.

774 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:35pm

re: #763 redc1c4

i can't immagine willingly going to China.

I can't imagine willingly going to Mexico. China is right out.

775 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:38pm

re: #764 LGoPs

Wonder if they have good carry-out?
/

depending on what you ate where, you might wind up getting carried onto the plane home.

/as cargo in a box.

776 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:44pm

re: #763 redc1c4

i can't immagine willingly going to China.

I've made a serious effort not to buy "made in China" getting harder all the time.

The China fab is for overcapacity. We have one state side, and we drop manufacturing in China first.

777 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:49pm

re: #759 kiwiviv

Now Robert Gellately who wrote "Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler: The Age of Social Catastrophe" is talking - I find it very interesting

Nope - he is there in the flesh - it is actually a great discussion going on.

I can't quite understand how we have to eliminate and hate someone just because we don't agree with everything they say or do. Beck actually makes lot of sense on many things - yeah, he is overly dramatic and says stupid things...but so do many of us.

778 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:51pm

re: #712 Sharmuta

Thankfully, I can't watch it.

Do you find yourself a little bit out of the loop with the casual conversations that other people (those who watch TV) have?

I find that I do at times.

It is a think a problem of common reference. For too many people, their common cultural reference is what the MSM spews at them from the tube.

779 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:54pm

re: #755 Fenway_Nation

Well...I live not too far from the border from a 3rd country that could be used as a gateway.

As conflicted as I was (go and indirectly support some charismatic despot clinging to power versus wait out the embargo and miss out on alot of unique stuff that was made neccecary because of it) my wallet wound up making the decision for me since I had zero cash at the time.

yup...money is always the bottom line

780 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:55pm

re: #676 KingKenrod

I think a lot of people jumped off the bandwagon after it became obvious she wasn't prepared to be president.

I'm not sure if I agree with Charles' 2:1 ratio of people scared off to those attracted by her, but I do know a few generally apathetic people who don't pay attention to politics as much as we do who voted for Obama specifically because Palin scared them off. I don't know how well this anecdotal evidence translates to actual statistics from election day.

I was a bigger fan of Palin before McCain picked her than after. The smears did not bother me. I knew they were BS. What bothered me is she was a one act show. Every speech she gave was the exact same as the one she gave at the RNC. This combined with what I felt was intentionally over-doing her small-town credentials to pander to a certain segment of the population was a turn off. I still supported McCain-Palin, but not enthusiastically. I hope if she plans on getting on the stage in 2012, there are some changes that come along with it.

781 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #769 brookly red

/ and we have been showing symptoms...

We got infected in the '60's/'70's, went into remission in the '80's and now have a full blown relapse.

782 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:17:10pm

re: #730 DEZes

(((HOOPS)))
Have a drink on me! ;)
Its Friday, my fellow Hoosier.

Hey friend! {DEZ}
I swear as a native Californian I am getting this irresistible urge to buy a pick up truck with a gun rack.. :)
I love Indiana..You guys are ALMOST as crazy about Basketball as I am!
I should have been born here..It's a tragedy really..:)
Is this Heaven?
No..It's Indiana

783 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:17:12pm

re: #721 Spiritualized

When even the French (!) pick up their guns first, surely alarm bells must start ringing in Barry's mind?

thejawareport: Shame: Even the French Show More Balls than Obama

When the Europantywaists start calling the American president a pantywaist then you know we've got a problem. In other words, as I read somewhere today, lack of a pair.

784 red collar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:17:40pm

re: #3 Mithrax

Anyone who is in their right mind should disassociate themselves with Fox news. This is just beyond absurd.

I hear what you're saying, but I thought it was funny. Glenn is big on visual aids. And honestly, "beyond absurd"? How is it absurd when he mentions Obama and issues that Obama has influenced in the 80 days in power. I mean come on.

Absurd would be noting a dozen issues that have nothing to do with Obama. That would be absurd.

I think this is an honest rant, legitimate beefs Glenn has against Obama...

...and then you have a dork getting doused. lol Sue me, but I thought that was kinda funny.

Point in fact, Glenn is over the top and Michelle Malkin (which I also like) is never objective.

When was the last time Michelle said anything positive about the Democrats? I don't recall.

I saw Obama this week in Turkey, and I LOVED the fact that he told them that "blaming Israel for everything isn't balanced". That's not a Republican talking point, but it's something. I liked that.

Anyway, Glenn puts on a show. It's a show.

785 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:05pm

re: #749 LGoPs

Never mind.....

It was said at the end of a " ,,,,,,,, you're taking everything away from us, why don;t you just shoot us in the head " skreed

786 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:06pm

re: #774 CyanSnowHawk

I can't imagine willingly going to Mexico. China is right out.

I won't even go to jersey :)

787 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:19pm

re: #710 avanti

It's amazing how the tone of LGF can change over a few hours with the comings and goings of various regulars. Earlier, it was much more hawkish then the measured and reasonable tone I see now.

and then a asshole showed up, and the rest of us reverted to type.

/it's all your fault.

788 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:29pm

re: #745 albusteve

no reason to try and insult me...you are very judgmental and opinionated and that's okay

When Cuba first happened (I was not quite military age ...) my thoughts were "why don't we invade them with Capitalism?". I thought that all the way through Reagan and Clinton. I probably would have accompanied you on a trip to Cuba.

After 40+ years, though, it looks like the structure of the place has deterioriated to something slightly above Afghanistan. North Korea is probably a better analogy.

I currently don't think a boycott is effective (since the U.S. is about the only country that honors it), and I'm not sure I can see any positive impact for the foreseeable future if we stop boycotting, and allow travel. There is little, if any, chance that funds from trading or tourism would actually trickle down to the citizens.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't from my warped perspective.

789 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #775 redc1c4

depending on what you ate where, you might wind up getting carried onto the plane home.

/as cargo in a box.

It's not that bad...... **warning** nausea.

790 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:46pm

If you go to Cuba, fly in from Mexico City, and when you get to Cuba, ask them to not stamp your passport, and they won't.

791 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:19:00pm

LGF got a mention from Andrew Sullivan today. Sullivan is right about the tea parties it pains me to admit. [Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

792 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:19:17pm

re: #773 Charles

Not surprising at all. Rick Perry is a hardcore creationist pusher, who appointed young earth creationist Don McLeroy to the Texas Board of Education twice. Glenn Beck is also a creationist.

Loony birds of a feather.

Yes.

I have been searching for confirmation of this alleged appearance. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether he was there or not. Perry's twitter page from yesterday: # Be on Glenn Beck live today at 4PM...6:56 AM Apr 6th from TwitterBerry.

Did anyone see the show?

793 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:19:17pm

re: #774 CyanSnowHawk

I can't imagine willingly going to Mexico. China is right out.

i can just drive to Van Nuys or North Hollywood if i want to go to Mexico.

at least the water is safe to drink there.

794 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:19:31pm

re: #784 red collar

I hear what you're saying, but I thought it was funny. Glenn is big on visual aids. And honestly, "beyond absurd"? How is it absurd when he mentions Obama and issues that Obama has influenced in the 80 days in power. I mean come on.

Absurd would be noting a dozen issues that have nothing to do with Obama. That would be absurd.

I think this is an honest rant, legitimate beefs Glenn has against Obama...

...and then you have a dork getting doused. lol Sue me, but I thought that was kinda funny.

Point in fact, Glenn is over the top and Michelle Malkin (which I also like) is never objective.

When was the last time Michelle said anything positive about the Democrats? I don't recall.

I saw Obama this week in Turkey, and I LOVED the fact that he told them that "blaming Israel for everything isn't balanced". That's not a Republican talking point, but it's something. I liked that.

Anyway, Glenn puts on a show. It's a show.

It's childish and doesn't speak well of conservatives. If you want to associate yourself and your politics with a clown, go ahead, just don't be surprised when you're not taken very seriously, er, such as right now!

795 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

Oh, don't look now, fuck you.

Apparently his reference to the reasonable tone pissed you off.

Hi Walter!

796 Drained Brain  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:20:38pm

re: #690 LGoPs

I hear what you're saying but I rebel at the logic (not yours but of those that thought this). By any reasonable comparison her experience, or lack of it, should have been off the table when compared to Obama, who was running for the top slot. He had fucking zero experience other than as an agitator. His greatest claim to fame was as a community organizer fercryinoutloud.
One of the biggest casualties in this country is the death of critical thinking.

"It's our practice to recognize an individual for his body of work, somebody who's been in their position for a long time," Sharon Keeler, an ASU spokeswoman, told The Associated Press. "His body of work is yet to come. That's why we're not recognizing him with a degree at the beginning of his presidency."

one reasonable ivory tower judgment...

797 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:21:04pm

re: #765 Sharmuta

Frankly- I bet reading the book in question would be a better use of time. But that's just me. I don't watch fox, I haven't for years, a if this is what they've sunk to, I won't be watching fox news ever again.

How about reading the book and watching this thoughtful man when he shows up on the likes of Beck - he certainly is not going to be on MSNBC any time soon, and I am enjoying this discussion immensely.

798 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:21:19pm

Let's not forget that Cuba artificially jacked up the exchange rate for visiting foreigners with their bogus 'Peso Convertable'.

799 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #761 jcm

We have a fab in China, I've avoided going twice.

Did fly thru HK on my way to 2 weeks at a site in the Phillipines.
On the way back, had truely great chat with the head of the security team at the gate. HK Chinese. At one time, had worked in the UK as a detective. Very sharp. ...... We had a delightful conversation, by not being explicit.

800 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:21:41pm

re: #780 ArchangelMichael

I'm not sure if I agree with Charles' 2:1 ratio of people scared off to those attracted by her, but I do know a few generally apathetic people who don't pay attention to politics as much as we do who voted for Obama specifically because Palin scared them off. I don't know how well this anecdotal evidence translates to actual statistics from election day.

I was a bigger fan of Palin before McCain picked her than after. The smears did not bother me. I knew they were BS. What bothered me is she was a one act show. Every speech she gave was the exact same as the one she gave at the RNC. This combined with what I felt was intentionally over-doing her small-town credentials to pander to a certain segment of the population was a turn off. I still supported McCain-Palin, but not enthusiastically. I hope if she plans on getting on the stage in 2012, there are some changes that come along with it.

and how much of what she said was what she was told to say? my guess is 99.9999%. McLame threw the election, and trashed Sarah in the process on purpose.

801 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:21:42pm

re: #795 jwb7605

Apparently his reference to the reasonable tone pissed you off. Hi Walter!

No, but he doesn't have the fucking guts to simply reference me in his comment, since that's who he was talking about. Him and myself went around the block a few times this morning.

Basic chicken shit stuff.

802 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:01pm

Who would make a better president RIGHT NOW:

Biden
Palin

Discuss.

803 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:04pm

re: #764 LGoPs

Wonder if they have good carry-out?
/

Feet-first?

804 transient  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:04pm

That video is 4 minutes of my life I can't get back.

805 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:09pm

From the Colorado Tea Party message board:

In Colorado, we have the right to bear arms if we can legally purchase it. The only rule is that it must be visible from three sides. I move that we exercise our rights on this day, perhaps a rifle over the shoulder is a better message than a quip on a piece of poster board.

This is a peaceful, demonstration, I will remind everyone who reads it.

Oh wonderful... just what a bunch of angry people need...

His disclaimer will be irrelevant at best.

806 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #791 MrPaulRevere

I wish Sullivan wouldn't praise LGF. He's a nut too.

807 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:20pm

re: #789 jcm

It's not that bad...... **warning** nausea.

[Video]

they killed enough of our cats & dogs for me to not trust their food supply chain at all.

808 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #798 Fenway_Nation

Let's not forget that Cuba artificially jacked up the exchange rate for visiting foreigners with their bogus 'Peso Convertable'.

China has been doing that for years, and so did the USSR, back in the day.

809 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:35pm

re: #778 Syrah

Do you find yourself a little bit out of the loop with the casual conversations that other people (those who watch TV) have?

I find that I do at times.

It is a think a problem of common reference. For too many people, their common cultural reference is what the MSM spews at them from the tube.

I was thinking last night about the media, and how they're really perception shapers. That's a lot of influence to allow an entity to have in your life. I think those that allow their reality to be shaped too much by these people have no idea to what extent they've allowed themselves to be manipulated. But it's another cost of freedom- they're allowed to waste their time in front of the boob tube, just as I think I'd rather not allow them to influence me to that extent.

Do I care if that makes me "out of the loop" with "average" people? Not really.

810 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #788 jwb7605

When Cuba first happened (I was not quite military age ...) my thoughts were "why don't we invade them with Capitalism?". I thought that all the way through Reagan and Clinton. I probably would have accompanied you on a trip to Cuba.

After 40+ years, though, it looks like the structure of the place has deterioriated to something slightly above Afghanistan. North Korea is probably a better analogy.

I currently don't think a boycott is effective (since the U.S. is about the only country that honors it), and I'm not sure I can see any positive impact for the foreseeable future if we stop boycotting, and allow travel. There is little, if any, chance that funds from trading or tourism would actually trickle down to the citizens.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't from my warped perspective.

I would deal with local people...no hotels, no planes or airports..the disadvantage is that it would be a hell of a long way to Havana and that would be worth seeing imo

811 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:59pm

re: #790 rawmuse

If you go to Cuba, fly in from Mexico City, and when you get to Cuba, ask them to not stamp your passport, and they won't.

From the "this is no shit" department:

A guy I worked with was trying to get a job in the FBI, and pulled that trick.
He reported himself as having done exactly that in the FBI background checks.
The FBI came to the company and asked about it, and we all told similar stories (and told the background check guy we trusted him).

He got the job.

812 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:22:59pm

re: #804 transient

That video is 4 minutes of my life I can't get back.

No, no, you don't understand, he's just being funny, he's not hurting anyone, it will be fine.

/bullshit clown

813 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:23:23pm

re: #760 LGoPs

Unfortunately communism is contagious too.

Apparently not so much. Let's see - The Soviet Empire is long gone, replaced with a gaggle of hyper-capitalist countries, including Russia. China is only nominally communist, in that the communist part still holds power, but it's economy is a completely unrestrained capitalist extravaganza rivaling our own Wild West days. The few remnants of communism left over from Cold War days are small and inconsequential; even Venezuela can only lay claim to being quasi-communist, at best.

Capitalism has completely overwhelmed communism, worldwide. It's last dregs - Cuba, North Korea - will either reform their economies and join the rest of the world in embracing capitalism, or snuff themselves out - Cuba most likely the former, North Korea, sadly, likely the latter.

814 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #797 kiwiviv

How about reading the book and watching this thoughtful man when he shows up on the likes of Beck - he certainly is not going to be on MSNBC any time soon, and I am enjoying this discussion immensely.

You'd have to pay me to watch fox news.

815 Simply Me  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:23:31pm

re: #613 Charles

And I think that for every religious fundamentalist Sarah Palin brought in, she turned off two fence-sitters who might have gone for McCain.

Charles,

Do you think that it was Palin who turned off the two fence sitters, or that it was the portrayal of Palin by the MSM?

I understand that Republicans who went to the Ivy Leagues for undergrad or grad school preferred to vote for Obama despite policy differences due to class loyalties. That is a small group of Republican voters and their class loyalty interests do not reflect the mainstream Republican voter interests .However, that was a large percent of Republican pundits.

816 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:24:00pm

re: #802 Racer X

Who would make a better president RIGHT NOW:

Biden
Palin

Discuss.

What's to discuss? It's a NoEffinBrainer!

817 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:24:05pm

re: #753 SixDegrees

Actually, a strong case can be made that opening Cuba to American investment would sweep away the Castro regime and communism in general faster than any other solution. Capitalism is funny that way - it's extremely contagious. Restore a couple of the pre-revolution oceanfront hotels and casinos, and the Cuban Navy would have to work overtime turning the traffic from Miami away.

I think that argument is a very stale one used almost exclusively by the left - or by investors. Creating some sort of exclusive tourist zone in Cuba helps liberate average Cubans just how? Personally, I don't think the contagion is apt to spread 3 feet beyond the designated tourist zones. Rationalize normalization if you will, but pumping cash into a tyrannical government is good somehow for America?

Why cannot folks recognize and resist totalitarianism when it is identified?

818 DEZes  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:24:11pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

It is Basketball country, and Im glad your happy. ;)

819 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:24:14pm

re: #802 Racer X

Who would make a better president RIGHT NOW:

Biden
Palin

Discuss.

Palin: at least she's honest.

820 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:24:16pm

re: #802 Racer X

Who would make a better president RIGHT NOW:

Biden
Palin

Discuss.

Well just the look on Nancy P's face would make Palin worth it :)

821 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:24:39pm

re: #810 albusteve

I would deal with local people...no hotels, no planes or airports..the disadvantage is that it would be a hell of a long way to Havana and that would be worth seeing imo

GMTA.

822 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #799 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did fly thru HK on my way to 2 weeks at a site in the Phillipines.
On the way back, had truely great chat with the head of the security team at the gate. HK Chinese. At one time, had worked in the UK as a detective. Very sharp. ...... We had a delightful conversation, by not being explicit.

We have big test & assembly facility in the Philippines, die into packages.

823 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:25:50pm

re: #813 SixDegrees

Apparently not so much. Let's see - The Soviet Empire is long gone, replaced with a gaggle of hyper-capitalist countries, including Russia. China is only nominally communist, in that the communist part still holds power, but it's economy is a completely unrestrained capitalist extravaganza rivaling our own Wild West days. The few remnants of communism left over from Cold War days are small and inconsequential; even Venezuela can only lay claim to being quasi-communist, at best.

Capitalism has completely overwhelmed communism, worldwide. It's last dregs - Cuba, North Korea - will either reform their economies and join the rest of the world in embracing capitalism, or snuff themselves out - Cuba most likely the former, North Korea, sadly, likely the latter.

Not to worry, Obama is trying to fix that right now. And, according to that recent poll, it seems like he may have a healthy cadre of Americans lending a helping hand.

Give it some time.

824 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:25:54pm

re: #811 jwb7605

Having been through some background checks, in general, they don't care what it is that you (up to a point) but, just don't LIE about it.

My attitude is that there is no where on the planet that I should not be able to go, as long as I assume the risk.

825 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:26:02pm

re: #801 Walter L. Newton

No, but he doesn't have the fucking guts to simply reference me in his comment, since that's who he was talking about. Him and myself went around the block a few times this morning.

Basic chicken shit stuff.

Walter, sadly, I was not thinking of you specifically, just the general tone of the group earlier.

826 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:26:06pm

glenn beck: have the president shoot you in the head.

Sharmuta: SHOOT YOUR TELEVISION INSTEAD!

827 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:26:44pm

re: #825 avanti

Walter, sadly, I was not thinking of you specifically, just the general tone of the group earlier.

Please, think of me specifically, and don't forget it.

828 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:26:53pm

re: #825 avanti

Walter, sadly, I was not thinking of you specifically, just the general tone of the group earlier.

you bring out the best in people.......

829 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:27:00pm

re: #824 rawmuse

Having been through some background checks, in general, they don't care what it is that you (up to a point) but, just don't LIE about it.

My attitude is that there is no where on the planet that I should not be able to go, as long as I assume the risk.

ditto...

830 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:27:37pm

re: #806 Killgore Trout

I wish Sullivan wouldn't praise LGF. He's a nut too.

This is the same Andrew Sullivan who thinks that Bristol Palin's big mouth ex might be the key to the unraveling of the Trig conspiracy.

831 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:28:07pm

re: #814 Sharmuta

You'd have to pay me to watch fox news.

Wow - ok...I think you would LOVE the discussion that is on right now

832 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:28:27pm

re: #829 albusteve

ditto...

There's no travel ban on Iran is there?

833 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:28:34pm

re: #824 rawmuse

Having been through some background checks, in general, they don't care what it is that you (up to a point) but, just don't LIE about it.

My attitude is that there is no where on the planet that I should not be able to go, as long as I assume the risk.

there is a radio station here in Lost Angeles that is awarding prizes of air fare for two, anywhere in the world. i don't listen to them but if i won i think i'd say Iraq, just to visualize all the exploding heads of their listeners.

834 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #822 jcm

... die into packages.

And I thought you worked for a chip house!

/ coffin mfr link coming up ... wait for it ... :D

835 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:09pm

re: #831 kiwiviv

I don't support mobys and alarmists.

836 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:18pm

re: #788 jwb7605

When Cuba first happened (I was not quite military age ...) my thoughts were "why don't we invade them with Capitalism?". I thought that all the way through Reagan and Clinton. I probably would have accompanied you on a trip to Cuba.

After 40+ years, though, it looks like the structure of the place has deterioriated to something slightly above Afghanistan. North Korea is probably a better analogy.

I currently don't think a boycott is effective (since the U.S. is about the only country that honors it), and I'm not sure I can see any positive impact for the foreseeable future if we stop boycotting, and allow travel. There is little, if any, chance that funds from trading or tourism would actually trickle down to the citizens.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't from my warped perspective.

True enough. But lifting the embargo would allow one other element into the country - investment. Cuba used to be rolling in cash thanks to Americans boating over for a couple of days or weeks to play on the beaches and at the casinos. Some of those buildings are still in reasonably good shape. A restoration of a couple of luxury hotels and casinos on beach front property would take a pretty large pile of dough - but there are plenty of investors who are probably champing at the bit at the thought of such a prospect.

837 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:18pm

re: #806 Killgore Trout

True enough, but he sure sends a lot of traffic this way, check out the referrers page.

838 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:30pm

re: #827 Walter L. Newton

Please, think of me specifically, and don't forget it.

Why Walter, you sound so jealous ;)

839 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:39pm

re: #807 redc1c4

they killed enough of our cats & dogs for me to not trust their food supply chain at all.

Watch where your fish comes from. I bought salmon fillets and was getting ready to cook them until I saw they came from China.

840 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:45pm

re: #802 Racer X

Who would make a better president RIGHT NOW:

Biden
Palin

Discuss.

Palin.
She's got a good grasp on energy policy, won't back down when threatened by Dinnerjacket, Lil' Kim or anyone else.

Biden is just a blowhard. I can't think of a single thing he has done to advance the interests of this country economically or militarily.

He sucks. I think Obama deliberately picked him as "life insurance".

841 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:29:50pm

re: #826 Sharmuta

glenn beck: have the president shoot you in the head.

Sharmuta: SHOOT YOUR TELEVISION INSTEAD!

I haven't seen it, but isn't saying "just shoot me already" an exclamation of despair, implying that it would be kinder to put me out of my misery rather than continue what you are doing?

842 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:30:10pm

re: #832 Gus 802

There's no travel ban on Iran is there?

Only common sense I believe.

843 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:30:29pm

re: #824 rawmuse

Having been through some background checks, in general, they don't care what it is that you (up to a point) but, just don't LIE about it.

Exactly. If you tell them the truth up front and don't lie about it or hide it then it is in your favor.

844 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:30:38pm

re: #835 Sharmuta

I don't support mobys and alarmists.

Well...I try not to...I'm just enjoying the line-up of intelligent guests Beck has on - four authors of fabulous books

845 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:30:46pm

re: #778 Syrah

Do you find yourself a little bit out of the loop with the casual conversations that other people (those who watch TV) have?

I find that I do at times.

It is a think a problem of common reference. For too many people, their common cultural reference is what the MSM spews at them from the tube.

We have become an un-serious people and I think the TV has a lot to do with that. I don't want to sound condescending or arrogant...hell, I watch TV too, but I keep a skeptical eye out and try to stay aware of when I'm being manipulated.
What is truly damaging is the manipulation in the news. It's one thing to get lost in American Idol (which I do not watch) and totally another to take your news from the Daily Show or the Colbert Report or the almost indiscernibly more credible mainstream outlets.

846 Simply Me  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #655 Iron Fist

Make no mistake. Part of the vitriol that was aimed at Palin was because she made the wrong choice with Trig. If I were a person with a handicap, I think I would have a long, hard look at that fact.

And start asking some questions myself.

And she let /encouraged her daughter Bristol to make the wrong choice with her pregnancy, too!

This led to the conclusion by some feminists that Palin wasn't really a woman.

847 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:19pm

re: #832 Gus 802

There's no travel ban on Iran is there?

don't know...are there beaches there?

848 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:30pm

I think there was a TV sit-com entitled "Just Shoot Me", 'tho I never watched it.

849 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:32pm

re: #842 CyanSnowHawk

Only common sense I believe.

Yeah. Step 1, grow a beard. Step 2, get a haircut. Step 3, don't go! //

850 Sheepdogess  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:40pm

Check this out....

The Veteran
Penn State's gratuitous slur.
By JAMES TARANTO

"What if it was 'Oh, the gay one,' or 'Oh, the Asian kid?' " asks Maggie Kwok, head of the Penn State Veterans Organization in an interview with the Daily Collegian, PSU's student newspaper. She is referring to a "training video," prepared by the university's Counseling and Psychological Services office, depicting "worrisome student behavior."

The office swiftly removed the video when it prompted a kerfuffle, but the PSU College Republicans preserved it on YouTube. It's a fascinating documentation of academic prejudice.

Just shy of five minutes, the video depicts a vignette in two scenes. As it opens, a timorous young female instructor is talking with an older man, perhaps the department chairman. We join the conversation as it is about to wrap up, before she brings up a new and worrisome subject:

Instructor: . . . So, I think that we should talk to everybody about that.

Chairman: Good, let's bring it up at the staff meeting, OK?

Instructor: Actually, I kinda wanted to talk to you about something else? Um, I'm still having problems with that student I mentioned?

Chairman: The Veteran.

Instructor: Yeah. He's having problems with his papers still. His grammar is really poor, and he veers off subject, and he's just not really seeming to understand the assignments.

Sound familiar? "You know, education--if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

The video's salient stereotype, however, is not of veterans as thickheaded but as angry. The instructor reluctantly tells the chairman that the student's "tone is very confrontational, and I feel like he's always on the verge of losing his temper." The chairman asks if he has threatened her or if she is "worried about what he might do." She says no, but "he makes me really uneasy." He gives her some obvious advice, beginning: "If he ever threatens you, you call the police right away."

After this inconclusive chat, the story shifts to the classroom, where The Veteran confronts the instructor, demanding to know why he only got a C-plus on his paper even after rewriting it to her specifications. She says that while there was some improvement after the rewrite, she graded the paper on the merits. He thinks she has it in for him and says, "I don't see why you're doing this":

Instructor: I'm not doing anything, Matthew. This isn't a personal thing against you.

The Veteran: I think it is! You've made it very clear in class how you feel about the war, and you're taking it out on me!

Here's the video ...

851 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:54pm

Mr. Beck? Welcome to Coulterville.

852 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:31:57pm

re: #847 albusteve

don't know...are there beaches there?

Lots of Sons Of Beaches ,,, does that count?

853 theuglydougling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:32:00pm

Way, way, way off topic:

Am I right to assume animated GIFs don't work in our profiles here?

/runs away in fear

854 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:32:02pm

re: #846 Simply Me

This led to the conclusion by some feminists that Palin wasn't really a woman.

Could'a fooled me!

855 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:32:08pm

re: #833 redc1c4

there is a radio station here in Lost Angeles that is awarding prizes of air fare for two, anywhere in the world. i don't listen to them but if i won i think i'd say Iraq, just to visualize all the exploding heads of their listeners.

The US Army has a similar program.
/ :)

856 Syrah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:32:26pm

re: #809 Sharmuta

I was thinking last night about the media, and how they're really perception shapers. That's a lot of influence to allow an entity to have in your life. I think those that allow their reality to be shaped too much by these people have no idea to what extent they've allowed themselves to be manipulated. But it's another cost of freedom- they're allowed to waste their time in front of the boob tube, just as I think I'd rather not allow them to influence me to that extent.

Do I care if that makes me "out of the loop" with "average" people? Not really.

I killed my TV for that reason. (And because I was too cheep to pay for cable.)

I knew that it had an influence on me and on others. I was surprised to discover just how much. It is something that I think that only those without a TV can really notice.

Another thought that was disturbing me at the time was noticing how people would arrange the furniture in their homes so that the TV was the focal point of almost every room that one was in. It struck me as being a little creepy, as if the TV had become a kind of an alter or a god.

857 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:32:33pm

re: #836 SixDegrees

True enough. But lifting the embargo would allow one other element into the country - investment. Cuba used to be rolling in cash thanks to Americans boating over for a couple of days or weeks to play on the beaches and at the casinos. Some of those buildings are still in reasonably good shape. A restoration of a couple of luxury hotels and casinos on beach front property would take a pretty large pile of dough - but there are plenty of investors who are probably champing at the bit at the thought of such a prospect.

I lean that way, philosophically.
HUGE chunk of change would be involved, though at this point of decay.

858 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:32:40pm

re: #841 CyanSnowHawk

I haven't seen it, but isn't saying "just shoot me already" an exclamation of despair, implying that it would be kinder to put me out of my misery rather than continue what you are doing?

I don't think it's very becoming rhetoric, especially when followed up with dousing a colleague with "gasoline". This is way over the top populist bullshit, and I'm not going to waste a second defending it, or any person that would use it.

859 transient  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #812 Walter L. Newton

No, no, you don't understand, he's just being funny, he's not hurting anyone, it will be fine.

/bullshit clown


I wish I could appreciate the humor in Beck, Coulter, Olbermann, Moore, et. al. Maybe I'm just not as cynical as I thought I was. They are not the only reason, or even the major reason, I stopped watching TV news (and TV altogether, for that matter), but they validate the decision.

I don't want "infotainment." Is it too much to expect actual news?
/I guess so.

860 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #847 albusteve

don't know...are there beaches there?

In the south. Sun and fun in Iran! ///

//////////////

861 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:33:44pm

re: #836 SixDegrees

True enough. But lifting the embargo would allow one other element into the country - investment. Cuba used to be rolling in cash thanks to Americans boating over for a couple of days or weeks to play on the beaches and at the casinos. Some of those buildings are still in reasonably good shape. A restoration of a couple of luxury hotels and casinos on beach front property would take a pretty large pile of dough - but there are plenty of investors who are probably champing at the bit at the thought of such a prospect.

they need another airport, new roads and infrastructure to support bigtime tourism....someone is going to make a boatload of money

862 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:33:49pm

re: #839 KenJen

Watch where your fish comes from. I bought salmon fillets and was getting ready to cook them until I saw they came from China.

i don't do fish, so i'm ok......

watch out where your medicine comes from: they contaminated most of the world's heparin supply and that wrecked havoc and killed people too.

863 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:33:56pm

I've got to work on my typing. I don't misspell many words, I just leave them out.
Maybe it is this wireless keyboard...
Later, Laizrds.

864 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:12pm

re: #811 jwb7605

I've been through two clearances from State Dept. and I have a dual citizenship/passport. I didn't lie to them, told them when and where, they were interested in Hong Kong, and Vietnam, but not overly, same questions about dealing with any nationals, etc.

Passed both clearances with flying colors, told that I shouldn't travel in or out of US ports with my other passport (which I would never do), and they were fine.

865 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:18pm

re: #832 Gus 802

There's no travel ban on Iran is there?

No, a warning. Dual citizenship is not recognized, my sisters are dual having been born there.

866 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:21pm

re: #857 jwb7605

I lean that way, philosophically.
HUGE chunk of change would be involved, though at this point of decay.

I'd give the casino guys maybe a year to break ground for mega casino/hotels.

867 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:29pm

Lizards... PIMF

868 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:45pm

re: #853 theuglydougling

Way, way, way off topic:

Am I right to assume animated GIFs don't work in our profiles here?

/runs away in fear

No. Limited to 32k in size also.

869 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #845 LGoPs

We have become an un-serious people and I think the TV has a lot to do with that. I don't want to sound condescending or arrogant...hell, I watch TV too, but I keep a skeptical eye out and try to stay aware of when I'm being manipulated.
What is truly damaging is the manipulation in the news. It's one thing to get lost in American Idol (which I do not watch) and totally another to take your news from the Daily Show or the Colbert Report or the almost indiscernibly more credible mainstream outlets.

How about if you learn and gather news from the "credible" news outlets, AND books, AND various internet sites such as LGF, AND...

870 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #859 transient

I wish I could appreciate the humor in Beck, Coulter, Olbermann, Moore, et. al. Maybe I'm just not as cynical as I thought I was. They are not the only reason, or even the major reason, I stopped watching TV news (and TV altogether, for that matter), but they validate the decision.

I don't want "infotainment." Is it too much to expect actual news?
/I guess so.

You are right, and I was only being sarcastic. You hit the nail right on the head. Except for a certain show, one hour a week, my TV remains off for the same reason.

871 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:35:11pm

re: #836 SixDegrees

True enough. But lifting the embargo would allow one other element into the country - investment. Cuba used to be rolling in cash thanks to Americans boating over for a couple of days or weeks to play on the beaches and at the casinos. Some of those buildings are still in reasonably good shape. A restoration of a couple of luxury hotels and casinos on beach front property would take a pretty large pile of dough - but there are plenty of investors who are probably champing at the bit at the thought of such a prospect.

No they're not. The ones that weren't converted into housing for the "communist paradise workers" were converted into gov't offices, and all are in various states of disrepair

872 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:35:17pm

re: #840 Colonel Panik

Palin.
She's got a good grasp on energy policy, won't back down when threatened by Dinnerjacket, Lil' Kim or anyone else.

Biden is just a blowhard. I can't think of a single thing he has done to advance the interests of this country economically or militarily.

He sucks. I think Obama deliberately picked him as "life insurance".


Palin 100%. She sure as hell wouldn't be pussyfooting around with these pirates. I picture Biden drinking with them and singing "Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum".

873 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:35:25pm

re: #865 jcm

No, a warning. Dual citizenship is not recognized, my sisters are dual having been born there.

OK, thanks.

874 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:36:03pm

re: #858 Sharmuta

I don't think it's very becoming rhetoric, especially when followed up with dousing a colleague with "gasoline". This is way over the top populist bullshit, and I'm not going to waste a second defending it, or any person that would use it.

That's the thing though, it would appear that Beck is an over the top populist bullshitter.

875 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:36:52pm

re: #855 LGoPs

The US Army has a similar program.
/ :)

that program doesn't extend to the Retired Reserve %-)

876 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:37:11pm

if glenn beck and anne coulter had a child would that child be the anitchrist?

877 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:37:21pm

re: #813 SixDegrees

Apparently not so much. Let's see - The Soviet Empire is long gone, replaced with a gaggle of hyper-capitalist countries, including Russia. China is only nominally communist, in that the communist part still holds power, but it's economy is a completely unrestrained capitalist extravaganza rivaling our own Wild West days. The few remnants of communism left over from Cold War days are small and inconsequential; even Venezuela can only lay claim to being quasi-communist, at best.

Capitalism has completely overwhelmed communism, worldwide. It's last dregs - Cuba, North Korea - will either reform their economies and join the rest of the world in embracing capitalism, or snuff themselves out - Cuba most likely the former, North Korea, sadly, likely the latter.

We ourselves are heading down that road. Not there yet but all the signposts point in that direction.

878 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:37:40pm

re: #856 Syrah

I killed my TV for that reason. (And because I was too cheep to pay for cable.)

I knew that it had an influence on me and on others. I was surprised to discover just how much. It is something that I think that only those without a TV can really notice.

Another thought that was disturbing me at the time was noticing how people would arrange the furniture in their homes so that the TV was the focal point of almost every room that one was in. It struck me as being a little creepy, as if the TV had become a kind of an alter or a god.

I regret that I have but one ding to give this comment. You're absolutely right. People don't know until they spend time away from the idiot box just how much control it has over them. I also quit listening to talk radio because I was more interested in forming my own thoughts and conclusions. Pundits create too much noise, and I found it more difficult to be my own voice when allowing too many others the ability to allow me to form their opinions in my head.

Not that I'm down on radio like I am on TV. They use different areas of the brain, and radio is much more of an active stimulant than TV. With radio, your brain has to work to form an image, with TV- it's all spoon fed to you.

879 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #817 The Shadow Do

I think that argument is a very stale one used almost exclusively by the left - or by investors. Creating some sort of exclusive tourist zone in Cuba helps liberate average Cubans just how? Personally, I don't think the contagion is apt to spread 3 feet beyond the designated tourist zones. Rationalize normalization if you will, but pumping cash into a tyrannical government is good somehow for America?

Why cannot folks recognize and resist totalitarianism when it is identified?

Yes, that resistance and recognition has made all the difference to the citizens of Cuba.

And the half-century-long embargo has been such a stunning success.

880 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:37:50pm

re: #876 SpaceJesus

if glenn beck and anne coulter had a child would that child be the anitchrist my sibling?

881 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:38:32pm

Dan Riehl takes a cheap shot..."I neither know, nor care what lgf's problem with Glenn Beck is." Danny boy needs to catch up on his reading.

882 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:38:38pm

re: #869 kiwiviv

How about if you learn and gather news from the "credible" news outlets, AND books, AND various internet sites such as LGF, AND...

See- I think this is the fundamental issue here. You see fox as "credible".

I don't, and I'm not alone.

883 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:38:41pm

re: #837 MrPaulRevere

We have Juan Cole linking to LGF now too.

884 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #869 kiwiviv

How about if you learn and gather news from the "credible" news outlets, AND books, AND various internet sites such as LGF, AND...

That's what I try to do. I stopped watching the mainstream outlets 15 years ago. I was trying to beat the rush. I stopped watching Fox on the 5th of November mainly for health reasons.......
Now I use National Review, LGF, Wall Street Journal, American Thinker and occasionally talk radio.......

885 J.S.  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:40:01pm

Beck is pretty much beyond belief...(not worth watching, really).

886 transient  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:40:16pm

re: #826 Sharmuta

glenn beck: have the president shoot you in the head.

Sharmuta: SHOOT YOUR TELEVISION INSTEAD!

About 5 years ago or so I read a letter to the editor in which the writer described the effect of an advertisement for the faux reality TV show, Big Brother. The tag line for the show was "They live. You watch." The writer realized the sad truth behind this line, immediately unplugged his TV, cancelled his cable subscription, and shortly thereafter ditched his TV set.

It took me a few years to follow suit (and I still have a TV for DVD watching), but I finally cancelled my cable as well. That's hours a day I can put to better use, and about $50 /month cable fees I'm not paying.

887 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:40:30pm

So no votes for Biden?

888 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:40:36pm

re: #857 jwb7605

I lean that way, philosophically.
HUGE chunk of change would be involved, though at this point of decay.

Yes, indeed.

The eventual profits, however, would likely dwarf it.

889 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:40:40pm

re: #883 Killgore Trout

We have Juan Cole linking to LGF now too.

Oh, the love will be flowing now....

890 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:40:41pm

re: #882 Sharmuta

See- I think this is the fundamental issue here. You see fox as "credible".

I don't, and I'm not alone.

I wouldn't be comforted looking at most of the others that don't!

891 Maui Girl  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:41:23pm

Very late to the thread, but you know, some people have to go to the extreme to get a message across. Glenn Beck does that. It's like the Fox show Red Eye. It's humor mixed with fact, satire.

In some instances, Beck is right. You may not care for his delivery.

Living in Hawaii and having a business that is directly connected to tourism, encouraging tourist travel to CUBA is not helping our economy at all and considering CUBA is a communist country, if you think bringing more money into that economy will benefit the people? think again. Sanctions may not be working, but pouring billions into their country isn't the answer either. What is? Don't really know but perhaps backing a rebellion might help.

Just my 2 cents.

892 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:42:25pm

re: #815 Simply Me

Charles,

Do you think that it was Palin who turned off the two fence sitters, or that it was the portrayal of Palin by the MSM?

I defended Sarah Palin originally. But she lost me when she:

1) Refused to clearly and unequivocally condemn abortion clinic bombers, even when asked twice.

2) Made a really dumb anti-science comment about "funding fruit fly research in Paris France."

I'm also very opposed to her support for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

Despite all this I voted for McCain and Palin because the alternative was (and is) worse. But I'm convinced that Palin was a big turn-off to a lot of moderates who might have gone for McCain if he had picked someone like Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani instead.

I really believe the Palin VP pick was an extremely cynical move by the McCain campaign -- it was their response to the African American president. "Well, look, we have a woman!" And it was a cynical attempt to pander to the religious right. Palin went on a speaking tour of fundamentalist churches, while avoiding the media. That's what they wanted her for.

893 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:42:43pm

re: #876 SpaceJesus

if glenn beck and anne coulter had a child would that child be the anitchrist?

Hmmmm...this comment is a little "over the top" like much of Glen Beck

894 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:42:48pm

re: #876 SpaceJesus

if glenn beck and anne coulter had a child would that child be the anitchrist?

Not sure, but it would have a signed contract on Fox TV before leaving the delivery room. BTW, I'm watching Candy Crowley on CNN. nice to see a real female journalist that can keep her job without being a hottie, and her voice is very calming. Not sure how the right feels about her, but she seems to just deliver the news pretty fairly.

895 Simply Me  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:43:06pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

Oh, don't look now, fuck you.

And now we have Walter L. Newton raising the tone with his high brow remarks.

896 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:44:09pm

re: #879 SixDegrees

Yes, that resistance and recognition has made all the difference to the citizens of Cuba.

And the half-century-long embargo has been such a stunning success.

Perhaps we should grant Cuba statehood? Or shall we limit ourselves to sending them money and training their military instead?

897 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:44:50pm

re: #882 Sharmuta

See- I think this is the fundamental issue here. You see fox as "credible".

I don't, and I'm not alone.

Ahhhh - there you go...making a huge assumption. I didn't tell you that I was putting Fox in the "credible" box.

Does the fact that you are "not alone" make you more right?...because those who watch Fox are not alone either

898 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:46:25pm

re: #893 kiwiviv

Hmmmm...this comment is a little "over the top" like much of Glen Beck


it was a serious question, I know virtually nothing about the bible

899 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:46:55pm

re: #876 SpaceJesus

if glenn beck and anne coulter had a child would that child be the anitchrist?

What's an anitchrist?

900 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:47:46pm

re: #892 Charles

Palin turned my friend away from McCain, and she was one of the conservative Republicans that jumped ship. As a woman, she was offended at what she thought was pandering by choosing one of the lesser qualified GOP women.
She was hoping for that Texas gal, I forget her name.

901 callahan23  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:49:09pm

re: #884 LGoPs

That's what I try to do. I stopped watching the mainstream outlets 15 years ago. I was trying to beat the rush. I stopped watching Fox on the 5th of November mainly for health reasons.......
Now I use National Review, LGF, Wall Street Journal, American Thinker and occasionally talk radio.......


Hi there LGoPs have you tried 'Shire Network News' podcasts?
They are fantastic, often hilarious, their morals are firm and they don't scream.

902 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:49:13pm

re: #876 SpaceJesus

if glenn beck and anne coulter had a child would that child be the anitchrist?

As usual..you walk to the edge and make a stupid comment..I don't know Beck and Ann is often over the top...But you talk about them having the Antichrist baby to slam them..Whatever..You the Socrates of the Internet? Nothing I have read from you has any depth at all and you seem to enjoy a backside knife stab any chance you get..
Come on Socrates..Show me what you got.
Try a / if you wanna be funny....

903 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:49:26pm

re: #882 Sharmuta

re: #897 kiwiviv

Here's the question

If you wanted to WATCH a news event as it was happening, and you eliminated the ENTERTAINER/ Opinion shows (al a Beck, Hannity, Anderson Cooper, 60 minutes , Stephanopoulous, et al) what network NEWS would you watch it on?

904 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:49:41pm

re: #883 Killgore Trout

We have Juan Cole linking to LGF now too.

That's not all -- the world's dumbest leftist blogger, Oliver "Two Dinners" Willis too.

Funny. These people spent years describing me as a disgusting racist pig who wanted to butcher Muslim babies and torture everyone who wasn't a KKK member. But as soon as I criticize someone like Glenn Beck, I'm their best friend again.

905 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:53:00pm

re: #900 avanti

Palin turned my friend away from McCain, and she was one of the conservative Republicans that jumped ship. As a woman, she was offended at what she thought was pandering by choosing one of the lesser qualified GOP women.She was hoping for that Texas gal, I forget her name.

What a stupid statement. It was either pandering for choosing a WOMAN (regardless of 'less qualified', because that "Texas Gal" was a woman also and would have been pandering) or your freind didn;t think Palin was qualified to be VP

906 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:53:51pm

re: #856 Syrah

Excellent.

907 Ed from Ohio  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:54:50pm

One of the main reasons to leave Beck alone whether you agree with him or not - Oliver Willis and quacks like him will link to you. Beck freaks them out because of the amount of influence he has. I saw the same freakout over there when Palin was selected. Kinda figured there's no sense in helping fools like Willis out. Let Glenn drive'm nuts. Who cares? These guys like Kos and such don't choose to pick at certain people for no reason. Palin, Beck, Hannity, etc scare the bajesus out of them. Why help? Just be quiet and let them freak out, whether you like GB or not. It's not an endorsement of Beck or anything, ya know?

[Link: www.oliverwillis.com...]

908 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #903 sattv4u2

re: #897 kiwiviv

Here's the question

If you wanted to WATCH a news event as it was happening, and you eliminated the ENTERTAINER/ Opinion shows (al a Beck, Hannity, Anderson Cooper, 60 minutes , Stephanopoulous, et al) what network NEWS would you watch it on?

So....if I name one, the hordes will pile on with derision and scorn? No thanks. Just to say that I watch, and try to learn, from many sources from various nations. I don't like to dismiss any one of them at the first hint of something we no longer have in common.

909 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:56:07pm

re: #904 Charles

That's not all -- the world's dumbest leftist blogger, Oliver "Two Dinners" Willis too.


Two dinners? ,,, How about TWO WORDS, Oliver

SALAD BAR!

910 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:56:16pm
911 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:57:12pm

This was painfully disappointing to watch. The theatrics are, as Rummy would say, unhelpful.

912 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:57:17pm

Has the imbecility/audacity to put "Jesus" in his nic, and says he knows virtually nothing about the Bible.

IMHO, that doesn't even rise to the level of "ass" -- and I'd say the same he used "Buddha", or et cetera.

913 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:57:34pm

re: #902 HoosierHoops

As usual..you walk to the edge and make a stupid comment..I don't know Beck and Ann is often over the top...But you talk about them having the Antichrist baby to slam them..Whatever..You the Socrates of the Internet? Nothing I have read from you has any depth at all and you seem to enjoy a backside knife stab any chance you get..
Come on Socrates..Show me what you got.
Try a / if you wanna be funny....


no, I think we need to seriously consider the apocalyptic implications of a Beck-Coulter hybrid monster child.

914 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:57:44pm

re: #908 kiwiviv

So....if I name one, the hordes will pile on with derision and scorn? No thanks. Just to say that I watch, and try to learn, from many sources from various nations. I don't like to dismiss any one of them at the first hint of something we no longer have in common.

The question was actually more for Sharmuta, and no, I would not pile on. I'll tell you under my scenario, my choice would be FOX

I'm in the broadcast business and see/ hear a lot of the behind the scenes things at all the networks

915 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:58:39pm

re: #907 Ed from Ohio

One of the main reasons to leave Beck alone whether you agree with him or not - Oliver Willis and quacks like him will link to you.

I could not possibly care less.

916 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:58:59pm

And I am NOT going to "leave Beck alone."

917 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:59:43pm

re: #913 SpaceJesus

no, I think we need to seriously consider the apocalyptic implications of a Beck-Coulter hybrid monster child.

And I think you need to consider seeing a mental Health professional..Jesus.

918 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:00:04pm

re: #916 Charles

And I am NOT going to "leave Beck alone."

But will you leave Oliver Willis alone? (I wouldn't leave him alone in my kitchen, BTW)

///

919 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:00:37pm

re: #878 Sharmuta

I find that whenever conversation turns to "Do you watch (suchandsuch) show and I tell people I don't watch TV anymore they become very offended. They say things like "Well aren't YOU special" -like I just insulted their friend.

But Jimmy crack corn and I don't care. I'm not saying it to feel superior or to make a point; it's just a fact. I found that there are hundreds of hours of old radio programs to listen to (The Goon Show, old Jean Shepherd shows from the 50's-70's) to listen to that I don't need to be spoon fed what is "current". I love radio for the exact same reasons you mentioned. Not so much political talk radio, but old radio entertainment.

I still have cable, though, because I have a roommate that watches. I'm "this" close to refusing to pay my half because I don't watch it.

920 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:00:50pm

re: #917 HoosierHoops

And I think you need to consider seeing a mental Health professional..Jesus.

I'm not sure whats wrong with him, but I bet it's hard to spell and starts with a "P" which is silent!

921 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:01:16pm

re: #892 Charles

I didn't know about the abortion clinic bomber questions, but I was uneasy with many of Palin's views. I defended her because she was such an immediate target for the hypocrisy and distortions of the enemy media, which went far beyond any real concerns into outright slander and fabrication. To this day, a likely majority of Americans think it was Palin herself who actually said she could see Russia from her house. It doesn't help that so much of the geographically illiterate electorate is unaware that Palin's real statement, that you can see Russia from parts of Alaska, is literally and factually true.

McCain himself made some pretty stupid anti-science comments, most notably his outrageous characterization of an earmarked planetarium projector as an "overhead projector," trying to confuse a genuinely (and justifiably) expensive scientific device with a commonplace office machine.

922 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:03:09pm

re: #913 SpaceJesus

no, I think we need to seriously consider the apocalyptic implications of a Beck-Coulter hybrid monster child.

923 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:03:40pm

re: #917 HoosierHoops

And I think you need to consider seeing a mental Health professional..Jesus.

No. He's having fun here.
Note that I'm not commenting upon his level of maturity.

924 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:04:00pm

re: #915 Charles

Greetings, Willis and Cole readers! Welcome to the belly of the beast. I'm still a terrorist-hating, gun-toting, capitalist knuckle-dragger as far as you are concerned.

925 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:04:16pm

re: #916 Charles

And I am NOT going to "leave Beck alone."

Charles! Charles! Put Beck down and come in for dinner!

/mom

926 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:04:26pm

re: #907 Ed from Ohio

Is this like the fifth time in this thread that you've tried to convince Charles to drop his criticism of Glenn Beck? (Or 4th? - I lost count.)

Have you considered that Beck might be worth of criticism regardless of whether any other blogger even noticed him?

Why not criticize Beck's silliness, irresponsible behavior and erroneous beliefs, just on their own merit?

927 Simply Me  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:09:12pm

re: #921 shiplord kirel
re: #892 Charles

I didn't know about the abortion clinic bomber questions, ...

I didn't know about that either.

928 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:09:42pm

re: #922 kiwiviv

Sorry - my computer is acting up...

You can piously get rid of TV and then waste just as much time with a kook like spacejesus.

929 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:10:35pm

re: #923 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No. He's having fun here.
Note that I'm not commenting upon his level of maturity.

I updinged you brat..
Shhhhhhh! I'm trying to draw out Spacejesus from his space station..
You look at the body of work and make a certain judgment about a person.
Really..I'm pretty sure Socrates had a better sense of humor than Spacejesus..LOL

930 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:12:09pm

re: #901 callahan23

Hi there LGoPs have you tried 'Shire Network News' podcasts?
They are fantastic, often hilarious, their morals are firm and they don't scream.

No I never heard of them. How do I get them?

931 transient  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:12:14pm

re: #910 Iron Fist

I've never watched TV much. Not for a very, very long time. Since I was a child, really. I liked Star Trek:Deep Space Nine, but it was pretty much anti-Trek, at least from what I saw from the fans of the others and the little that I actually watched of them. A couple of shows I watched with the previous girlfriend, but we were together for so long.

Life is long, but not so long that I'd waste it watching TV. Not even when I was a kid, really.

You're ahead of the game. I was addicted for years, especially to Star Trek and news. I finally began to be able to let go after ST Enterprise was cancelled. (It was a lousy show and I should have been able to ditch it before that, but such is the nature of addiction.) Now I have much more time to read and exercise.

932 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:12:45pm

re: #914 sattv4u2

The question was actually more for Sharmuta, and no, I would not pile on. I'll tell you under my scenario, my choice would be FOX

I'm in the broadcast business and see/ hear a lot of the behind the scenes things at all the networks

Fox is one of the news shows I watc

In your opinion, what is the best news channel or show?

933 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:13:06pm

re: #932 kiwiviv

'watch"

934 Pietr  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #148 razorbacker

Pietr,

I've replied with as many answers as I have to your gracious post (that ain't snark or sarcasm; he asked as a gentleman and I try to respond in like manner).

Second...

The Captain jumps in the water and tries to swim away. Pie-rats fire on him in order to force him back to the raft. Bainbridge crew is unaware of what is going on until they start shooting?

I'm just a growed-up river rat, and not ever had the benefit of U.S. Navy training, but I'd have had a lookout, with a backup lookout, watching that raft every moment.

Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20. It is the present that is often seen through the fog.

I'm not sure what this post entailed, Razorbacker. I got company, so have been away for a long while, and probably 1500 posts-while trying to calm a former neighbor. I've now had at least a 6 pack, am tired as hell, and didn't understand your response. was it to this:

re: #1233 Pietr

I don't mind being confused, at my age it happens. I just didn't understand part 1, let alone part 2....so I'll say as much. I still consider you an excellent poster/commenter, though ya just confused hell out of me. Did you respond to the above, and supposedly get a response from me? If so, it wasn't-my compamy arrived and tied me up for all the time until this post! I just found your post above mine (a few threads back) and looked in your 'recent comments to see what I missed.....and now I'm confused. Did someone post as me, or something, since my last post-the link above?

935 transient  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:17:32pm

re: #932 kiwiviv

Fox is one of the news shows I watc

In your opinion, what is the best news channel or show?

If you've read my comments, you'll know I don't watch anymore. But when I did I was of the opinion that you cannot watch a single network and expect to get decent coverage. You would have to watch a variety (and frankly the same is true of print media and the internet) to get the whole picture. ALL media are biased, in one form or another.

TV news is now more like headline news anyway. There is no there there. There isn't much is, either.

936 Maui Girl  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:18:41pm

re: #850 Sheepdogess

Well, that video was just annoying. Having dealt with veterans and having friends that are veterans, they constantly out of habit always say, Maam, yes Maam, yes Sir, etc. The "veteran" depicted in this video didn't do any of that making this video that much more unbelievable. But people living in reality would know that veterans are by the very nature of their training, "polite" even when being confrontational. Stupid video. Glad it was taken down.

937 transient  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:18:42pm

Must toddle off to work now. Yes, weird hours.
Evening, all.

938 Der Hirn Fanger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:21:01pm

Go on his show Charles and tell him why you think he's wrong. He'd probably be happy to oblige you.

939 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:21:09pm

re: #935 transient

If you've read my comments, you'll know I don't watch anymore. But when I did I was of the opinion that you cannot watch a single network and expect to get decent coverage. You would have to watch a variety (and frankly the same is true of print media and the internet) to get the whole picture. ALL media are biased, in one form or another.

TV news is now more like headline news anyway. There is no there there. There isn't much is, either.

Sorry...I don't read the comments very much (I tend to attract crazies like spacejesus) - so I don't know where you stand. Thanks for the perspective.

940 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:22:18pm

re: #921 shiplord kirel

I didn't know about the abortion clinic bomber questions, but I was uneasy with many of Palin's views.

AFP: Abortion clinic bombers not terrorists, Palin says.

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has accused Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists," has refused to call people who bomb abortion clinics by the same name.

When asked Thursday night by NBC television presenter Brian Williams whether an abortion clinic bomber was a terrorist, Palin heaved a sigh and, at first, circumvented the question.

"There's no question that Bill Ayers by his own admittance was one who sought to destroy our US Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist," Palin said, referring to a 1960s leftist who founded a radical violent gang dubbed the "Weathermen" -- and who years later supported Obama's first run for public office in the state of Illinois.

"Now, others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to... I don't know if you're gonna use the word 'terrorist' there," the ardently pro-life running mate of John McCain said.

941 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:23:55pm

re: #903 sattv4u2

re: #897 kiwiviv

Here's the question

If you wanted to WATCH a news event as it was happening, and you eliminated the ENTERTAINER/ Opinion shows (al a Beck, Hannity, Anderson Cooper, 60 minutes , Stephanopoulous, et al) what network NEWS would you watch it on?

I don't have cable anymore, so I'd have to watch a major live event on broadcast, or if it was being streamed on the internet, I would go with that option.

But your premise is wrong. I don't trust one more than the other- I think the media is the enemy regardless of what letters they use. There is little difference. They only care about ratings. They don't give a shit about the truth. My perception is not so easily sold to the "least likely to be biased"- they all are.

942 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:25:47pm

They're not as bad does not equate to being good.

943 kiwiviv  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:26:20pm

re: #941 Sharmuta

I don't have cable anymore, so I'd have to watch a major live event on broadcast, or if it was being streamed on the internet, I would go with that option.

But your premise is wrong. I don't trust one more than the other- I think the media is the enemy regardless of what letters they use. There is little difference. They only care about ratings. They don't give a shit about the truth. My perception is not so easily sold to the "least likely to be biased"- they all are.

You and I probably agree on many things, then.

944 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:28:55pm

re: #318 ellcon

Yelling/ranting is the shtick, the ratings booster, grant me that eh? I by no means believe they are ideological clones, or equals. Also remember that Levin has a very high nasally voice, while Savage is more gravelly. See - different!

So other than using yelling as a dramatic device, which pretty much covers every political commentator at one point or another, in what respect is Levin a "Savage clone"?

I don't know who you offer "constant verbal [and ideological] fellatio," but I bet you're really, REALLY good at it.

945 Irving  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:29:21pm

I think they're pretty much stunned that you're criticizing Glenn, Charles. They're shallow enough to think that you're going to be a lockstep conservative.

We're all "moderates" of some stripe; any ideology, taken to its extreme, sucks, and everyone is willing to follow that ideology so far, but no farther. (Glenn Beck is starting to look like the distressing exception.) Conservatism was starting to veer into right-wing libertarianism for a while there, which fails to appeal to a lot of people.
As David Frum said, if a goverment official says that goverment doesn't work, people will elect someone who says they will make it work.

When conservatism finds the right level of ideology to make the majority of Americans comfortable, it'll come back into power- that, and the Democrats will go too far for the majority of people to feel comfortable with them. It's way too early for that to happen. Obama's policies literally have not had enough time to fail. Hysterics at this point are, at best, useless. I know it's hard to get it in an eight-hour news cycle world, but if the conservatives want to get back into power they need to sit down, shut up, and give Obama enough time and rope to hang himself. And bluntly, that might be eight years of time. Patience. Everything moves in cycles.

946 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:30:06pm

re: #904 Charles

That's not all -- the world's dumbest leftist blogger, Oliver "Two Dinners" Willis too.

Funny. These people spent years describing me as a disgusting racist pig who wanted to butcher Muslim babies and torture everyone who wasn't a KKK member. But as soon as I criticize someone like Glenn Beck, I'm their best friend again.

Some sort of mix-and-match values?

947 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:30:48pm

re: #584 Colonel Panik

Thanks.

948 libertyvista  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:33:21pm

He did not scream 'Why don't you just set us on fire?'.

949 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:34:31pm

re: #943 kiwiviv

I get all my news online. I feel no need to enrich any pundit with my time or money. I feel no need to feed the media beast in all its forms, from news to entertainment. I'm highly selective in what I support with my time and money. If they want my business back, they'll have to start producing quality and show some credibility. I see none from fox, or any other network. I see very little from hollywood. Until then, I will happily continue to tune them out.

950 favorednation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:36:00pm

I don't see the problem here. It's just a demonstration.

951 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:36:48pm

(hears drumbeats in the distance)

They are coming...

952 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:37:47pm

Seriously, kiwiviv. Try turning the TV off for a week. Get all your news online, and see if there's much of a difference. Spend TV time reading books, or articles from writers like VDH or Thomas Sowell. It really makes a difference.

953 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #950 favorednation

Yeah- it's perfectly normal. [eye roll]

954 favorednation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:38:28pm

He probably is doing a "Penn & Teller" style example.

955 CLLRusso  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:39:02pm

Charles, I didn't find any ranting or screaming in that clip. Your attempt to discredit Glenn is not going to work with this example. Certainly there have been a couple of times that I have written his program myself because I found it off the wall. But I don't see anything unseemly in this and I think he is right. Plus I want a rest from the President and his socialist agenda. Why don't you go after Obama's socialism instead of Becks methods as a host? That might be more productive.

By the way, my favorite bumper sticker seen recently is "I'LL TREAT YOUR PRESIDENT THE SAME WAY YOU TREATED MINE".

956 favorednation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:39:17pm

Just entertainment. Harmless.

957 Simply Me  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:39:40pm

re: #940 Charles

Hi Charles,

Thank you for giving us this link.

It sounds like she is wondering if there is a distinction between people who bomb government facilities versus bombing private locations. It sounds like she was thinking that we use the word "terrorist" only to refer to attacks against government facilities.

But we use "terrorist" to refer to 9/11 and the World Trade Towers were not government buildings, although the targets in DC were.

Anyway, I agree that both are terrorism. Clearly, a suicide bomber going into a restaurant in Israel and killing the people in the restaurant is committing terrorism, as is a person bombing an abortion clinic.

So, reading this, I am not sure that it means Palin supports attacking abortion clinics, but it is concerning.

958 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:39:46pm

Here they come again.

959 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:40:09pm

re: #955 CLLRusso

Yeah- perfectly normal to ask the president to shoot you in the head on national television. [eye roll]

960 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:41:10pm

re: #955 CLLRusso

Playground justice. How quaint.

/(sigh)

961 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #956 favorednation

Then what is he doing on a news network? He should be on Showtime.

962 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:41:52pm

re: #955 CLLRusso

"I'LL TREAT YOUR PRESIDENT THE SAME WAY YOU TREATED MINE".

No thank you.

963 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #955 CLLRusso

By the way, my favorite bumper sticker seen recently is "I'LL TREAT YOUR PRESIDENT THE SAME WAY YOU TREATED MINE".

I can haz bumprstickr.

964 favorednation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #961 Sharmuta

Maybe you should suggest that to Mr. Beck. News has never been what most people would call "news". It's all entertainment or most people wouldn't watch it. I don't have a TV so I haven't watched what most people call "News" in several years.

965 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:43:38pm

re: #957 Simply Me

So, reading this, I am not sure that it means Palin supports attacking abortion clinics, but it is concerning.

I didn't say she supports attacking abortion clinics. I don't think she does.

However, I think it's very clear that she's trying to avoid alienating the farthest-out segment of the right, by dodging the question and obfuscating.

I found her responses really quite disgusting at the time. Anyone who's unwilling to call abortion clinic bombers "terrorists," for whatever reason, has a serious hole in their soul.

966 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:44:52pm
967 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:45:35pm

re: #964 favoredna