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1 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:25:00pm

Cool. I have a baritone Danelectro fitted with heavy string and tuned like a base.

Power chords are massive.

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:25:22pm

"Mamba scat has a very distinct smell, resembling sweet curry powder".

THANK YOU PBS!!! That's just what was missing from my rolodex of trivial information.

3 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:25:48pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

"Mamba scat has a very distinct smell, resembling sweet curry powder".

THANK YOU PBS!!! That's just what was missing from my rolodex of trivial information.

Eau D'evil?

4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:26:05pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Cool. I have a baritone Danelectro fitted with heavy string and tuned like a base.

Power chords are massive.

Pics?

5 Kragar  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:27:14pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

"Mamba scat has a very distinct smell, resembling sweet curry powder".

THANK YOU PBS!!! That's just what was missing from my rolodex of trivial information.

50% of the time it works every time...

6 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:27:32pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Cool. I have a baritone Danelectro fitted with heavy string and tuned like a base.

Power chords are massive.

Aarrghhh!
Bass
not
base

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:28:25pm

I dunno about that one. To me? The joy of that song is in the way it moves.

I could be wrong. But if I am? Blame it on the Bossa Nova.

8 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:30:01pm

re: #4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Pics?

I promised Hoops a long time ago I'd take pics of my equipment.

I'm heading for bed so I'll put them up tomorrow.

9 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:30:57pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

50% of the time it works every time...

"Brian, I'm gonna be honest with you, that smells like pure gasoline."

10 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:32:02pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I dunno about that one. To me? The joy of that song is in the way it moves.

I could be wrong. But if I am? Blame it on the Bossa Nova.

The Boss of the Bossa Nova was also a Hammond man

Youtube Video
11 Kragar  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:32:48pm

re: #9 ArchangelMichael

"Brian, I'm gonna be honest with you, that smells like pure gasoline."

"It smells like a used diaper filled with Indian food."

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:35:39pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you suffer from BWS?

Youtube Video
13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:36:41pm

Ah, man. I liked Officer Hightower.

RIP, Bubba Smith.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:38:08pm

re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth

Now I have seen the face of evil. It is David Allen Grier.

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:38:41pm

re: #8 b_sharp

I promised Hoops a long time ago I'd take pics of my equipment.

I'm heading for bed so I'll put them up tomorrow.

You'll warn us won't you?

I don't want to see pics of your equipment.

Sorry.

16 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:40:01pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now I have seen the face of evil. It is David Allen Grier.

I hope he got a bunch for that.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:42:13pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you not seen the goofy film "Amazon Women on the Moon"?

Youtube Video
18 Kragar  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:43:43pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

Have you not seen the goofy film "Amazon Women on the Moon"?

[Video]

And don't forget Arsenio

Youtube Video
19 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:44:50pm

Bubba Smith died?

Awww...

And I have to agree with FBV. Not even *close* to the best version/interpretation of TGFI I've heard. Not carioca at all. And if it's not carioca, it isn't TGFI.

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:46:06pm

Listening to GaGa on youtube.

Sorry, I like her.

21 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:46:30pm

re: #15 ggt

You'll warn us won't you?

I don't want to see pics of your equipment.

Sorry.

I think that's his *gear*, not his junk.

;-)

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:48:24pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

Nope. Maybe on MST3K I'd like it.

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:48:32pm

re: #20 ggt

Listening to GaGa on youtube.

Sorry, I like her.

I'd rather a bit of Pink myself.

And with that deep deep thought out of lurk mode, I'm off to bed.

24 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:49:09pm

re: #21 austin_blue

I think that's his *gear*, not his junk.

;-)

either way, I don't want to see any of it.

25 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:51:16pm

re: #20 ggt

Listening to GaGa on youtube.

Sorry, I like her.

She's the real deal, as an entertainment package. Smart marketing, great video, brilliant presence on social media. Quintessential 2011 media star. And damn fun to watch.

Oh, and helicopters have been roaring all over LA (that would be South, or Lower Austin) for the last 15 minutes. Probably another streaker commune running down South 1st street..

26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:52:56pm

re: #25 austin_blue

She's the real deal, as an entertainment package. Smart marketing, great video, brilliant presence on social media. Quintessential 2011 media star. And damn fun to watch.

Oh, and helicopters have been roaring all over LA (that would be South, or Lower Austin) for the last 15 minutes. Probably another streaker commune running down South 1st street..

media helicopters?

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:55:24pm

I'm kinda freaked at the voices some of these younger women have --
Amy Winehouse (had), GaGa, Christina Aguilera.

Powerful.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:58:10pm
Youtube Video
29 Lidane  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:58:39pm

re: #20 ggt

Listening to GaGa on youtube.

Sorry, I like her.

I like Gaga. She's fun. And in spite of all the costumes and antics, she seems like a sincere artist that's serious about writing her own music and controlling her image.

30 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:58:54pm

re: #25 austin_blue

Also Elton John's baby's godmother.

31 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:00:32pm

re: #29 Lidane

I like Gaga. She's fun. And in spite of all the costumes and antics, she seems like a sincere artist that's serious about writing her own music and controlling her image.

take away all the gimmicky stuff and she can sing ah! capella.

Too bad she has to do the Liberace crap stuff to make money.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:01:48pm

re: #27 ggt

Adele is amazing. Big voice. And I was happy to see someone not a size 1 get a following.

33 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:01:55pm

re: #31 ggt

She said on Howard Stern that she has actually lost money with her tours. She has bought her dad a new car and heart surgery. She lives in an apt. in Brooklyn.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:07:26pm

re: #20 ggt

Listening to GaGa on youtube.

Sorry, I like her.

Sorry is not good enough. You must do 14 "Hail Madonnas", and spend the rest of the week being a "Material Girl".

35 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:08:46pm

re: #33 prairiefire

She said on Howard Stern that she has actually lost money with her tours. She has bought her dad a new car and heart surgery. She lives in an apt. in Brooklyn.

I believe it.

Money management, reading contracts etc--not part of most artist portfolio--and the industry knows it.

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:09:07pm

re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry is not good enough. You must do 14 "Hail Madonnas", and spend the rest of the week being a "Material Girl".

Nah, I'm more of a Cher listener than Madonna.

37 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:13:00pm

re: #36 ggt

THAT DOES IT! EXCOMMUNICATION!!!
/actually, I'm not a fan of any of those artists. not a hater, though.

38 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:15:11pm

Anyone want a couple of steamed pot stickers?

I got two orders and and I have a few left

39 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:17:50pm

re: #26 ggt

media helicopters?

Nah, Alex Jones's Black helicopters from the UN Compound in Bastrop. Odd that we can hear them tonight...

40 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:18:58pm

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Adele is amazing. Big voice. And I was happy to see someone not a size 1 get a following.

Very cool!

do you think white girls finally feel free to break out of the "lilly white" mode and just belt one out?

41 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:19:21pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

Anyone want a couple of steamed pot stickers?

I got two orders and and I have a few left

veggie?

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:19:51pm

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

THAT DOES IT! EXCOMMUNICATION!!!
/actually, I'm not a fan of any of those artists. not a hater, though.

From the Church of Gravel?

43 Kragar  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:20:03pm

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

THAT DOES IT! EXCOMMUNICATION!!!
/actually, I'm not a fan of any of those artists. not a hater, though.

If its not Fionna Apple, I don't give a rat's ass.

Youtube Video
44 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:20:32pm

re: #41 ggt

veggie?

I'm not
A) FAT
and
B) a BASTARD

((well ,,,, I'm not half of those))

45 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:21:59pm

re: #44 sattv4u2

I'm not
A) FAT
and
B) a BASTARD

((well ,,, I'm not half of those))

Then, no, thank you. I don't do cooked or raw flesh.

46 Kragar  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:24:35pm

re: #45 ggt

Then, no, thank you. I don't do cooked or raw flesh.

WE EAT THE PIG AND THEN WE BURN!

Youtube Video
47 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:25:29pm

re: #40 ggt

Very cool!

do you think white girls finally feel free to break out of the "lilly white" mode and just belt one out?

You should listen to Joan Osborne. She's been a belter for years. Saw her at Austin City Limits (the studio taping, not the festival) a few years back and was astounded at the power of her voice. Started out as a blues singer in NY. Her voice is a remarkable instrument.

48 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:25:44pm

re: #45 ggt

Then, no, thank you. I don't do cooked or raw flesh.

Too late anyway

Nobody called for them so I HAD to eat em!!

49 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:28:15pm

re: #47 austin_blue

You should listen to Joan Osborne. She's been a belter for years. Saw her at Austin City Limits (the studio taping, not the festival) a few years back and was astounded at the power of her voice. Started out as a blues singer in NY. Her voice is a remarkable instrument.

mainstream music--pop?

Other than Janis Joplin? Cher?

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:30:48pm

re: #39 austin_blue

Nah, Alex Jones's Black helicopters from the UN Compound in Bastrop. Odd that we can hear them tonight...

As long as it wasn't those sky blue helicopters you were seeing!

51 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:35:43pm

I think brat puppy will let me sleep now.

Night all!

52 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:38:02pm

re: #51 ggt

I think brat puppy will let me sleep now.

Night all!

Put Vodka in his water bowl, huh?

53 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:48:38pm

re: #49 ggt

mainstream music--pop?

Other than Janis Joplin? Cher?

Love Janis, a Beaumont girl. Cher? Meh. The Bangles, The B-52s (saw them at the 40-Watt in Athens), the Gogo's were great. Toni Basil sucked, and Bananarama was actually fun. I loved the Motown girl groups. Totally shit hot.

Saw The Runaways and the Ramones at McAllister Auditorium in (1976?, 77?) at Tulane on a saturday night show for a buck. No shit. Outstanding!

54 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:50:35pm

Okay, I'm a fan of some guys on That Guy with The Glasses.

One of them hates REO Speedwagon with unholy intensity. Are they bad? I don't have any of their songs, so I don't know.

55 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:51:28pm

re: #47 austin_blue

I wish she would have put out more than just her fantastic first album. The later stuff, that I heard, as not as good.

56 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:52:35pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Okay, I'm a fan of some guys on That Guy with The Glasses.

One of them hates REO Speedwagon with unholy intensity. Are they bad? I don't have any of their songs, so I don't know.

They're generic. And I've go to go to bed. Night all!

Sweet scaly dreams.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:55:36pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Dunno about REO Speedwagon, but I do have an REO Speedealer CD.

Youtube Video
58 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:57:15pm

So what happens when neighbors have too much time on their hands...
This little tiny video

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:58:49pm

re: #56 austin_blue

They're generic.

The cheese! Dear god, the cheese!

Youtube Video

It's enough to make a dairy farmer tip all his cows.

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:08:42pm

re: #58 Rightwingconspirator

"Really dude?"

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:11:04pm

¡suoubıɯ 'buıuɹoɯ poob

62 Kragar  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:14:14pm

re: #61 Sergey Romanov

¡suoubıɯ 'buıuɹoɯ poob

COMMIE!

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:16:11pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

COMMIE!

˙ǝpodıʇuɐ uɐ ʇsnɾ 'ou

64 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:16:54pm

re: #61 Sergey Romanov

I noticed a comment about a news article with Putin saying nasty things about the US. He said that the United Russia Party was having an issue and was losing popularity.

Does this have a hint of truth?

And what happens when Russia runs out of oil/Europe has much less need of it?

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:18:20pm

re: #64 ProLifeLiberal

I noticed a comment about a news article with Putin saying nasty things about the US. He said that the United Russia Party was having an issue and was losing popularity.

Does this have a hint of truth?

And what happens when Russia runs out of oil/Europe has much less need of it?

Polls show that UR is slowly but steadily losing popularity, as well as Putin and Medvedev.

The second q is above my paygrade, comrade.

66 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:20:18pm

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Polls show that UR is slowly but steadily losing popularity, as well as Putin and Medvedev.

The second q is above my paygrade, comrade.

Who are the other parties? I really don't know too much about post fall of USSR- Russian politics. Know a little about Yelsin and Putin but other than that my knowledge is pretty limited.

67 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:25:54pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Who are the other parties? I really don't know too much about post fall of USSR- Russian politics. Know a little about Yelsin and Putin but other than that my knowledge is pretty limited.

If you mean the ones in Duma:

1. Spravedlivaya Rossiya (Just Russia) - a moderate socialist party (part of the Socialist International, IIRC), run by a now former speaker of the Council of the Federation Mironov. It was created from above as a sort of a phony opposition to UR, with Mironov being loyal to Putin, but always saying harsh things about UR (which Putin heads). Recently he has been removed from his post as a speaker, the future of the party is uncertain.

2. Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democrats, the phony/loyal "nationalist" opposition (Zhirik always lambasts everyone and always votes as the current leader needs; e.g. he supported Yeltsin in 1996).

3. CPRF, fucking Stalinist douches (but also a true opposition).

There's a new party being created from above, "Pravoye delo" ("The right deed"/"The right cause"), a fiscally right-wing party now headed by oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov. Apparently those who run elections will give them some votes to get into Duma. Some say it is being positioned as Medvedev's party.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:28:26pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

If you mean the ones in Duma:

1. Spravedlivaya Rossiya (Just Russia) - a moderate socialist party (part of the Socialist International, IIRC), run by a now former speaker of the Council of the Federation Mironov. It was created from above as a sort of a phony opposition to UR, with Mironov being loyal to Putin, but always saying harsh things about UR (which Putin heads). Recently he has been removed from his post as a speaker, the future of the party is uncertain.

2. Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democrats, the phony/loyal "nationalist" opposition (Zhirik always lambasts everyone and always votes as the current leader needs; e.g. he supported Yeltsin in 1996).

3. CPRF, fucking Stalinist douches (but also a true opposition).

There's a new party being created from above, "Pravoye delo" ("The right deed"/"The right cause"), a fiscally right-wing party now headed by oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov. Apparently those who run elections will give them some votes to get into Duma. Some say it is being positioned as Medvedev's party.

Thanks interesting stuff. Doesn't look like a lot of likable opitions truly. Seems the only true opposition are a bunch of as you put it fucking Stalinist douches.

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:29:51pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

The liberal opposition parties SPS (Soyuz Pravykh Sil/Union of the Right-wing Forces) as well as Yabloko (left-wing liberals) have been forced from the Duma years ago.

70 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:32:31pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

Is Zhirinovshy the anti-Semitic lunatic who has advocated the annexation of the Baltic States, Central Asia, and some of the Middle East?

And supporter of positions Pat Buchanan holds?

71 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:33:01pm

re: #69 Sergey Romanov

Any chance of comeback?

72 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:35:44pm

re: #69 Sergey Romanov

The liberal opposition parties SPS (Soyuz Pravykh Sil/Union of the Right-wing Forces) as well as Yabloko (left-wing liberals) have been forced from the Duma years ago.

Damn, that stinks. Always have been interested in Russia and I would have gone to St. Petersburg and Moscow had more people signed up for that trip. Ended up going to Berlin, Munich, Prague, Budapest, and Vienna instead which was great but had I gone to Russia, I would have been with my International Relations professor who was the one responsible for my interest in the region in the first place.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:38:09pm

re: #70 ProLifeLiberal

Heh, well, kinda. He's all over the place. Being half-Jewish himself (his original surname is Ejdelshtein), he probably wasn't antisemitic in 1980s, when he was part of the leadership of the Society of Jewish culture "Shalom". When he got into politics he understood what sells well in Russia, so he began playing with all this aggressive and Russian nationalist rhetoric. On Jewish issues he is all over the place. He doesn't seem to be a Holocaust denier - in one of his books he says that 6 million Jews were murdered indeed. But on the subsequent pages he brings up Finkelstein's "Holocaust industry" thesis, etc. - you know how it goes. He also met with Ernst Zuendel, and I think LDPR published one of Juergen Graf's HD books. In his current speeches though he is not as fire-breathing as one could expect.

74 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:39:46pm

re: #71 ProLifeLiberal

Any chance of comeback?

"Pravoye delo" is sort of a comeback. Castrated, loyal "liberal" party. More neo-liberal/right-wing liberal than socially liberal though.

75 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:43:23pm

re: #74 Sergey Romanov

Interesting.

I think I prefer Medvedev to Putin.

But if Medvedev, Putin, and the United Russia party are losing popularity, who comes into the vacuum.

And why is United Russia is losing popularity?

76 laZardo  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:45:00pm

re: #75 ProLifeLiberal

But if Medvedev, Putin, and the United Russia party are losing popularity, who comes into the vacuum.

I can guess.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:48:12pm

re: #75 ProLifeLiberal

Well, first of all the correlation between popularity and who holds the power is not straightforward, so there is no vacuum to fill as of yet.

Second, I'm tactically strongly pro-Medvedev. If anything, his style differs. It counts for something. On a personal level he is more or less a liberal, a technocrat and an anti-Stalinist.

78 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:50:54pm

re: #73 Sergey Romanov

Well, Finkelstein's "Holocaust industry" thesis isn't the same as Holocaust denial. It is more about the use of the event after the fact.

The association with Ernst Zuendel however....ugh.

79 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:52:47pm

re: #77 Sergey Romanov

I'm still curious as to why United Russia is losing popularity.

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:54:34pm

re: #78 Alexzander

I'm not saying that it is. My point is, he is more of a Holocaust obfuscator than anything. And that's basically what he is on any issue. It's simply hard to tell what he really believes, because his whole role is to play this populist nationalist (one of the party slogans is "We're for the poor. We're for the [ethnic] Russians.") who draws off the votes from radicals, so he plays a useful role, but he is an actor first and foremost.

81 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:57:20pm

re: #79 ProLifeLiberal

I'm still curious as to why United Russia is losing popularity.

Ah, yes, sorry. Why wouldn't it lose popularity? They're a party of bureaucracy, of fat cats, pretending to be for the people; the new CPSU, if you will. The most popular current moniker for them is "The Party of Swindlers and Thieves". Meanwhile the situation doesn't really improve, the corruption grows, with most corruption naturally being among the members of the ruling elite. People see it.

82 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:58:56pm

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

My point is, he is more of a Holocaust obfuscator than anything.

Thats a great label.

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:02:55pm

re: #81 Sergey Romanov

This new Putin's venture, "Obshchenatsionalnyj Narodnyj Front" (All-national People's Front) was created exactly because UR brand is so tainted.

84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:06:24pm

re: #83 Sergey Romanov

This new Putin's venture, "Obshchenatsionalnyj Narodnyj Front" (All-national People's Front) was created exactly because UR brand is so tainted.

They should just settle for two brands and alternate between them every so often. Takes less effort, acts like sports teams, and look how well it works for us...

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:08:39pm

re: #84 oaktree

Well, a 2-party system would be a huge improvement over what is here now. I think Spravedlivaya Rossiya might have been a feeble attempt to create such a system (JR would be the left wing, UR would be the right wing).

86 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:11:33pm

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

Have you lived in the US as well Sergey?

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:11:58pm

re: #86 Alexzander

Have you lived in the US as well Sergey?

No.

88 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:14:00pm

re: #87 Sergey Romanov

What does the owl on you account page mean?

89 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:15:11pm

re: #88 Alexzander

What does the owl on you account page mean?

Not much, really.

Image: PBF045-Wise_Shitashi.jpg

90 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:17:06pm

re: #89 Sergey Romanov

Thought it looked familar. I love PBF.

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:19:12pm

re: #90 Alexzander

Thought it looked familar. I love PBF.

Too bad it updates once a year /

92 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:20:57pm

re: #91 Sergey Romanov

Yeah I've pretty much accepted that its over now.

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:21:28pm

re: #92 Alexzander

They had a new one recently.

94 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:25:28pm

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

Are you a bit of an expert on the holocaust denial world?

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:25:28pm

Nautilus Pompilius - "Goodbye America", 1985

Youtube Video
96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:25:44pm

re: #94 Alexzander

Are you a bit of an expert on the holocaust denial world?

Heh. Well, kinda.

97 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:28:59pm

re: #96 Sergey Romanov

I saw some holocaust denial clip on youtube a couple months ago - cant remember the name but it was a whole series of claims. But the one I've been meaning to research myself was something about lamp shades made out of human skin by the Nazi's, as well as shrunken heads. The video claimed that these were actually artifacts from other parts of the world or just completely made up - and that this was part of an attempt to demonize Germany after the war. Have you heard about that, and is that a common story in holocaust denial circles?

98 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:30:34pm

re: #96 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Well, kinda.

PS do you study this stuff in academia?

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:33:08pm

re: #96 Sergey Romanov

A modest Russian. Will wonders never cease?
/:P

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:36:45pm

Just giving you a hard time, Sergey. You're cool in my book.

It's not a very big book. But you're in it. Listed under "Cool".

G'nite Lizards. Rest well and dream of large women.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:45:02pm

re: #97 Alexzander

I saw some holocaust denial clip on youtube a couple months ago - cant remember the name but it was a whole series of claims. But the one I've been meaning to research myself was something about lamp shades made out of human skin by the Nazi's, as well as shrunken heads. The video claimed that these were actually artifacts from other parts of the world or just completely made up - and that this was part of an attempt to demonize Germany after the war. Have you heard about that, and is that a common story in holocaust denial circles?

Yeah, I know that video, it's by my old nemesis "denierbud" aka "Carto's Cutlass Supreme" at CODOH forum (I and my friends debunked a whole 30-part YT movie he made about Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor).

The story with the shrunken heads and lampshades (as well as human soap) is more of a mountain made of a mole hill. It doesn't really prove anything about the Nazi regime as a whole, because even for the Nazis it was an aberration (I mean, how many Japanese skulls were taken as souvenirs by the US soldiers, but does that prove anything?). Let's be frank - it was used for the propaganda purposes because it had a great effect at that time. In reality, there was a single lampshade that was given to Koch as a gift IIRC around 1941 (acc. to the museum site), and there were samples of skin with tattoos from the pathology lab, but the claims that prisoners were killed to make lampshades out of them are spurious upon analysis. The shrunken head presented at Nuremberg might have been real, and we do know that several such artifacts were produced in Nazi pathology labs (as we know from a Nazi document forbidding the making of such artifacts), but again, I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove.

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:47:26pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Interesting thing is that all this is not even about the Holocaust, because there is no evidence that any prisoners that might have been used for Danzig soap, for the lampshade/skin samples and for the shrunken head were Jewish. At least in the first and the last cases those were Poles.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:47:58pm

re: #98 Alexzander

PS do you study this stuff in academia?

No.

104 Alexzander  Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:57:21pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

Thanks for the answers.

Thats broadly what I assumed. Cant remember where I saw the links to those videos but it might have been something like stormfront (I occasionally head over there to see what that worldview is up to).

It seems like the overall goal of people like "denierbud" is again to obfuscate the history, so as to cast doubt on events wider than the specific issues at hand.

what is the CODOH forum?

105 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:00:48am

re: #104 Alexzander

Denierbud is not an obfuscator, he is a straight-up denier and moreover, he even proudly accepts this label (unlike most deniers). He lives in SF, btw.

CODOH is a "Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust", a classic denier org founded by Bradley Smith, who likes to put ads for it in student newspapers.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:36:32am

re: #104 Alexzander

Speaking of deniers, very soon we will unleash a new can of whoopass on them, again dealing with the three extermination camps. I will make a page when it will be ready. It's basically a book-length treatment of their claims.

108 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:37:34am

So there I was, up in the hub of a 12 meter satellite dish doing some preventive maintenance when I hear two hellacious BANGS


Before I could crawl out and and get into the building it started to pour rain heavier than I can recall

So there I sat for about an hour till it subsided

LESSON ,,, don't leave my cell phone in the control room. My co-worker tried to call me with a warning, but alas ,,,,,,

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:39:16am

re: #108 sattv4u2

So there I was, up in the hub of a 12 meter satellite dish doing some preventive maintenance when I hear two hellacious BANGS

Before I could crawl out and and get into the building it started to pour rain heavier than I can recall

So there I sat for about an hour till it subsided

LESSON ,,, don't leave my cell phone in the control room. My co-worker tried to call me with a warning, but alas ,,,

At least you didn't get your ass wet! Unlike unlucky albusteve.

110 boxhead  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:43:01am

howdy Lizards....

111 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:45:33am

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

At least you didn't get your ass wet! Unlike unlucky albusteve.

what happened to Steve?

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:51:41am

re: #111 sattv4u2

what happened to Steve?

Aside from wet ass? Nuthin' much. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

113 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:55:20am

So, I've gotten a couple of those Facebook "If you grew up in CityX, StateZ, what do you remember". Could I delete this? Sure. Or, I could talk about a certain tree that everyone would know about, talk about a night of heavy drinking, how I got into a fight and how there is a body buried next to the tree. Just for fun:)
And morning honcos.

114 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:55:59am

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

Aside from wet ass? Nuthin' much. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

LOL,, thanks

115 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:56:56am

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, I've gotten a couple of those Facebook "If you grew up in CityX, StateZ, what do you remember". Could I delete this? Sure. Or, I could talk about a certain tree that everyone would know about, talk about a night of heavy drinking, how I got into a fight and how there is a body buried next to the tree. Just for fun:)
And morning honcos.

And how the tree had a knot hole about hip high,,,, and how you lost your virginity to it ,, and how ,,,,,

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:00:53am

re: #115 sattv4u2

And how the tree had a knot hole about hip high,,, and how you lost your virginity to it ,, and how ,,,

I had a FB friend going to Orlando for the weekend who said she was gonna "kick it up a knot". Okie Dokie.

117 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:08:30am

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a FB friend going to Orlando for the weekend who said she was gonna "kick it up a knot". Okie Dokie.

Maybe she was on the prowl for boy scouts!

118 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:13:12am

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a FB friend going to Orlando for the weekend who said she was gonna "kick it up a knot". Okie Dokie.

There's a Modern Family episode where "Gloria" (be still, my heart) says a whole series of things like that!

119 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:14:36am

This guy puts a damper on my joke selection.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:16:07am

re: #118 sattv4u2

There's a Modern Family episode where "Gloria" (be still, my heart) says a whole series of things like that!

Say Seinfeld last night where Jerry dates a woman named Wang, who wasn't Chinese, and she would stumble over words like a Chinese person. Twas funny, again.

121 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:16:16am

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

This guy puts a damper on my joke selection.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

split atoms in his kitchen said Wednesday he was only doing it as a hobby.

The other hobby that he liked to do in his kitchen was brain surgery

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:16:26am

re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar

say=saw

123 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:16:34am

re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar

Say Seinfeld last night where Jerry dates a woman named Wang, who wasn't Chinese, and she would stumble over words like a Chinese person. Twas funny, again.

classic

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:19:02am

re: #123 sattv4u2

classic

You can tell the real early episodes. Nobody is comfortable in their character and in the episode last night, they didn't hand out at the diner. They hung out on the street in front of a restaurant/bar.

125 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:21:03am

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can tell the real early episodes. Nobody is comfortable in their character and in the episode last night, they didn't hand out at the diner. They hung out on the street in front of a restaurant/bar.

Plus, Jerry's "apt" looked more like a college dorm in those early ones

126 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:45:03am

So my son and I are going to Boston on Saturday to visit my father for a few days

So I call an old friend to see if she's going to be around so we can all get together

So she says "sure, how about Sunday night"

So I say "great,, what should we do"

So she says her outfit has a box at Fenway Park, how about we go to the Red Sox/ Yankees game"

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:46:47am

re: #126 sattv4u2

So my son and I are going to Boston on Saturday to visit my father for a few days

So I call an old friend to see if she's going to be around so we can all get together

So she says "sure, how about Sunday night"

So I say "great,, what should we do"

So she says her outfit has a box at Fenway Park, how about we go to the Red Sox/ Yankees game"

Invite Arod over to a poker game afterward.
[Link: espn.go.com...]

128 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:47:59am

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

Invite Arod over to a poker game afterward.
[Link: espn.go.com...]

Yeah ,, saw that

WORSE for him, he was warned about the same thing years ago

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:51:29am

re: #128 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, saw that

WORSE for him, he was warned about the same thing years ago

I didn't know that. He'd better straighten the fuck up. If he gets banned from the Hall, I'll be pissed. I have 4 of his rookie cards. I already have 2 worthless things: Bonds rookie card and a Pete Rose autographed baseball (with certificate of authenticity)

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:53:17am

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

* not that playing poker will get you banned, but it will be the start of an investigation which could lead to who knows what.

131 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:55:43am

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't know that. He'd better straighten the fuck up. If he gets banned from the Hall, I'll be pissed. I have 4 of his rookie cards. I already have 2 worthless things: Bonds rookie card and a Pete Rose autographed baseball (with certificate of authenticity)

In 2005, Rodriguez had been warned about gambling in underground poker clubs by the Yankees and by baseball commissioner Bud Selig

[Link: espn.go.com...]

132 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:57:50am

And on that note, the long quiet (and wet) drive home beckons

133 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:59:08am

re: #131 sattv4u2

I personally don't play poker, so I don't get the attraction. Now, I love blackjack and I'm good at it, but I don't look for games being played at peoples houses.

134 researchok  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:13:01am

Morning, all.

A day or two more of heavy duty work and then back to normal.

It's been 3 weeks of crazy

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:13:26am

The Occidental Observer author hangs it all out:

[Link: www.theoccidentalobserver.net...]

Matt Parrott
July 31, 2011 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

@Anon2:

Why is an argument from racial and ethnic nationalism necessary to put an end to unchecked immigration. There are many, many other good arguments for why mass immigration is insane and suicidal.

In theory, an argument from racial and ethnic nationalism is not necessary to put an end to unchecked immigration. In theory, it’s not even necessary to preserve the racial and ethnic nation.

Our advocacy team actively collaborates with groups across the political spectrum (all of which are explicitly against preserving our ethnic identity) to help reduce immigration.

But this isn’t really about the Muslim invaders. It’s not really about the Mexican invaders. It’s not really about the Black youth mobs. What it’s really about is a lack of a will of a people to live. As long as America and Europe are spiritually and ideologically hellbent on suicide, they’ll find new ways to keep hurting themselves. Even if ABB’s anti-Islamic crusade scenario were actualized throughout Europe, they would still be slaughtering their own offspring by the millions. They would still be barren. They would still be decadent and nihilistic. They would still be allowing Afro-Caribbean and myriad other populations to elbow in on their homeland.

Removing Islamic immigration from Europe is akin to hiding the gun from a man who’s suicidal. It may buy some time, but if a guy’s really set on killing himself, he’ll figure out some other way to do it.

I do believe that only an argument from racial and ethnic nationalism will be sufficient to steel Europeans to take the bold action necessary. After all, stopping illegal immigration and asylum fraud is insufficient. Reducing legal immigration to reasonable levels isn’t sufficient. Stopping legal immigration cold isn’t sufficient. Offering cash prizes for emigration isn’t sufficient. Deporting most of them isn’t sufficient. Only deporting each and every last non-White community from Europe is sufficient.

The sorts of mild arguments that operate within the mainstream paradigms and respectable bourgeoisie talking points are well and good for slowing the acceleration of the rate of our demise. But the radical steps necessary to actually reverse our course require the widespread acceptance of these radical ideas.

But let’s grant that one can find some clever angle to convince voters to deport all the non-Whites without requiring White Americans and Europeans to embrace their right to survive. That only solves the immigration dimension of our multifaceted problem. The mainstream paradigms and respectable bourgeoisie talking points would spell doom for the West if it were a fortified island continent.

136 researchok  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:18:02am

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

Very good catch.

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:21:51am

re: #52 sattv4u2

Put Vodka in his water bowl, huh?

NOW that's an idea . . . .

because he can't seem to hold his bladder for more than 4 fucking hours. I'd pull the water dish up at 10 or so, BUT, he and the other dogs get into it and he is panting at midnight.

Good Morning all!

138 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:23:47am

Directions

Preheat the oven to 400 degrees F. Fit a sheet tray with a wire rack and spray with nonstick cooking spray.

Mix together buttermilk, lemon juice, hot sauce, onion, thyme, garlic, salt, and pepper to a large bowl. Add chicken and coat with mixture. Cover with plastic wrap and place in the refrigerator for 3 hours or up 12 hours.

Mix corn flakes, Parmesan cheese, and thyme together. Season with salt and pepper.

Remove chicken from the marinade, letting the excess drip off, and dredge through the corn flake-Parmesan mixture, pressing to help it adhere.

Place on the wire rack-fitted sheet tray and bake for 45 minutes until golden and crisp.

Cook's Note: Remove the skin to save calories. Soaking chicken in buttermilk leaves the chicken incredibly moist with a delicious flavor.

I was looking up recipes and came across this. Now, I took tech writing in college (what little I have) and understand the need to make stuff idiot proof. But if I follow these directions the way they're written, my oven will be on for 3-12 hours plus 45 minutes of bake time.:)

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:27:33am

"Logician" acting illogically.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:30:33am

on my fb, posted by basement dwelling loser family member:

"Alex talks to Health Ranger Mike Adams about the recent announcement of a huge secret cloning program, attempts to take over the food supply via GMO, and the increasing number of SWAT raids on family farms and producers of natural foods."

"huge sekrit cloning program"

Now that is good journalism

/gah

141 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:33:51am

I killed the thread

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:35:23am

re: #140 ggt

If there is a "huge sekrit cloning program" I'll take one of these:
Image: ajcook3.jpg

143 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:37:04am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

If there is a "huge sekrit cloning program" I'll take one of these:
Image: ajcook3.jpg

would . not . load

144 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:37:36am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

If there is a "huge sekrit cloning program" I'll take one of these:
Image: ajcook3.jpg

loser relative then ranted about "soilent" green.

WTF?

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:38:28am

re: #143 ggt

would . not . load

See if this does.
Image: A.J.-Cook.jpg

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:38:57am

re: #144 ggt

loser relative then ranted about "soilent" green.

WTF?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:39:49am

From the country that wants to be a leader in science.

Glow-in-the-dark hamburger buns!

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:40:48am

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

This is what smoking pot every day for years gets you.

College degree, No job, living off your Mom, and no fucking clue.

149 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:41:58am

re: #147 ggt

China? Food safety? Well I guess since they don't care about their paint, drywall, dog food, crayons, etc.

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:42:38am

No SLEDGE-O-MATIC needed.

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:44:16am

re: #150 ggt

No SLEDGE-O-MATIC needed.

Watermelons? BFD...

MSNBC Video
152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:45:16am

Slut Birds die sooner.

Oh, where is Pat Buchanan on this one?

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:46:22am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watermelons? BFD...
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

""More than 100 Tainan city residents, mostly men, have reportedly gone to see the corpse to 'experience' the size of its penis," the newspaper reported."

ewwwwwww!

154 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:47:54am

Life is a Monty Python skit, inside a Sci-Fi Novel.

Really, Douglas Adams is writing it--we live it.

155 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:57:07am

re: #152 ggt

Slut Birds die sooner.

Oh, where is Pat Buchanan on this one?

Heh, heh..He said 'bustard'.

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:03:33am

Just die.
[Link: newsblog.projo.com...]

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:03:43am

re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar

See if this does.
Image: A.J.-Cook.jpg

worked

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:05:23am

re: #150 ggt

Whales and/or watermelons explosion epidemic!

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:05:52am

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just die.
[Link: newsblog.projo.com...]

he called the police.

How civilized.

I can't imagine what my neighbors would do --something involving dog poop probably.

160 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:08:44am

re: #159 ggt

he called the police.

How civilized.

I can't imagine what my neighbors would do --something involving dog poop probably.

A dump truck full of elephant poo in his driveway.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:09:49am

re: #160 Varek Raith

A dump truck full of elephant poo in his driveway.

you can get that done?

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:11:28am

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

BTW, OC, you're prolly reading this - Parrott is a Third Position guy.

163 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:11:37am

re: #161 ggt

you can get that done?

I wonder if the local zoos would sell???
They gotta do something with it.

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:11:54am

Dude arrested, pleads guilty. Jihad and all. And there are pics of him online in a Nazi uniform, but I won't post them
[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:12:14am

re: #163 Varek Raith

I wonder if the local zoos would sell???
They gotta do something with it.

fertilizer --probably regulated.

Sir, if you order more than 1 lb we have to fill out a Federal form . . .

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:12:16am

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

Oh lord, Occidental Observer. e_e

More Kevin MacDonald/Third Position central.

A lot of people agree with them.

167 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:12:56am

re: #165 ggt

fertilizer --probably regulated.

Sir, if you order more than 1 lb we have to fill out a Federal form . . .

Right.
Forgot about that.

168 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:13:13am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude arrested, pleads guilty. Jihad and all. And there are pics of him online in a Nazi uniform, but I won't post them
[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

Lone madman, bad apple. //

169 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:13:39am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude arrested, pleads guilty. Jihad and all. And there are pics of him online in a Nazi uniform, but I won't post them
[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

"We are going to create the reality we want!"

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:15:06am

re: #168 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lone madman, bad apple. //

I'm sure MSNBC and CNN will report he is a far right extremist.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:15:55am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm sure MSNBC and CNN will report he is a far right extremist.

Christian Fundamentalist . . .

WHACKO!

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:16:59am

Dogs want to eat breakfast.

Then, we shall see about getting another 4 hours of sleep.

Have a great morning all!

174 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:21:53am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude arrested, pleads guilty. Jihad and all. And there are pics of him online in a Nazi uniform, but I won't post them
[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

How Nazi is the uniform? It's a (little) odd that he would want the jihadists to start blowing things up. Unless he's just all over the map.

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:22:10am

I've had it with these mfn builders with their mfn compressor near this mfn office.

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:22:43am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

How Nazi is the uniform? It's a (little) odd that he would want the jihadists to start blowing things up. Unless he's just all over the map.

Breivik called for tactical alliances with Jihadists to stir shit up.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:23:03am

re: #173 Varek Raith

Gaffney Wonders If Norwegian Terrorist’s Manifesto Was A ‘False Flag Operation’ Intended To ‘Suppress Criticism’ Of Sharia
Delusional.

IT WAS PLANTED BY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD!!!

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:23:20am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm sure MSNBC and CNN will report he is a far right extremist.

Did you see Fox's report? [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

179 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:23:22am

re: #175 Sergey Romanov

I've had it with these mfn builders with their mfn compressor near this mfn office.

Come on, you can say 'motherfucking' around this motherfucking blog.
;)

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:23:52am

re: #179 Varek Raith

That's motherfucking good.

181 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:24:40am

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

Breivik called for tactical alliances with Jihadists to stir shit up.

Double-secret provocateur. Or this guy is just nut d'jour.

182 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:25:10am

I want to see the right spin this. I really do.

McConnell Admits To Taking Debt Ceiling ‘Hostage’: It’s ‘Worth Ransoming’

“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting,” he said. “Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done.”
183 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:25:19am

re: #179 Varek Raith

Come on, you can say 'motherfucking' around this motherfucking blog.
;)

It's best to save that for kitten threads.

184 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:25:29am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

How Nazi is the uniform? It's a (little) odd that he would want the jihadists to start blowing things up. Unless he's just all over the map.

Provocateur.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:25:44am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

How Nazi is the uniform? It's a (little) odd that he would want the jihadists to start blowing things up. Unless he's just all over the map.

I couldn't find a bigger pic, but this is apparently from his myspace page.
Image: safe_image.php?d=AQCyqqMEmLpPb-Ia&w=90&h=90&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftalkingpointsmemo.com%2Fassets_c%2F2011%2F01%2Femerson-begolly-threeway-split-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:26:32am

re: #178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Did you see Fox's report? [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I don't watch cable news. Or regular news.

187 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:27:58am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

I couldn't find a bigger pic, but this is apparently from his myspace page.
Image: safe_image.php?d=AQCyqqMEmLpPb-Ia&w=90&h=90&url=ht tp%3A%2F%2Ftalkingpointsmemo.com%2Fassets_c%2F2011 %2F01%2Femerson-begolly-threeway-split-cropped-pro to-custom_2.jpg

Looks like he's got a lot of mental territory covered in those 3 tiny pictures. "Just another re-enactor."

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:28:16am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Image: ht_emerson_begolly_110106_main.jpg

189 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:28:34am

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

Image: ht_emerson_begolly_110106_main.jpg

Nice hat chief.

190 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:29:27am

re: #189 Varek Raith

Nice hat chief.

Maybe he works in the cooler at 7-11 and that's the uniform.:)

191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:29:45am

Quick image search...looks like he had a couple different kinds.

Stupid ahole.

192 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:30:01am

Good Morning kids!

193 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:30:44am

re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe he works in the cooler at 7-11 and that's the uniform.:)

I always suspected they were Nazis.
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194 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:33:27am

re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe he works in the cooler at 7-11 and that's the uniform.:)

The feds will have time to peel back his BS, but this looks like one of those little shitheads who set out to paint themselves with whatever persona will arouse the most antagonistic reaction. I've often thought that was part of the explanation for George Lincoln Rockwell types surfacing so soon after WWII.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:34:00am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Double-secret provocateur. Or this guy is just nut d'jour.

Gotta break a few eggs to star a RaHoWa.

196 Aye Pod  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:35:25am

Here's highly regarded jazz upstarts The James Dance Quartet with the haunting 'Desolate Shore' :

Youtube Video
197 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:36:21am

Heh, Begolly was posting at AHF. I wonder if the uniform is just a reconstructionist hobby.

198 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:36:27am

re: #195 Sergey Romanov

Gotta break a few eggs to star a RaHoWa.

Had to Google that. First hit is heavy metal haterock. I hate Illinois rockers.

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:36:43am

re: #194 Decatur Deb

He was arrested in January. And the big man bit a couple of FBI agents when arrested. Now there's the Jihad you never hear about!!!!

200 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:37:05am

MUST CRUSH CAPITALISM!
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201 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:37:35am

re: #199 Cannadian Club Akbar

He was arrested in January. And the big man bit a couple of FBI agents when arrested. Now there's the Jihad you never hear about!!!

And he gets to say "The bitch set me up."

202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:38:32am

TPM:

Begolly confided in fellow jihadist enthusiast "Khalidabdalhakim" in an online conversation in November that he "really started to hate this society" after an encounter with a Christian minister at a young age.

"when i was like 13 or 14 some queer he tried to kidnap me," Begolly wrote. "he came to me and put his hand on my le[g] and said...hey sweetie and i said who r u? he said he was a christian minister...he said the world would be a better place without women. he [g]ot closer and whisper in my ears... there would be just us men... but alhamdullah... i escaped."

...

His ideology is an eccentric and disjointed mix of Islamic extremism, an admiration for Adolf Hitler, hatred for both Democrats and Republicans (the former for their support of "queers and abortions and anti firearms" and the latter because they "destory [sic] other countrys"), racism against African-Americans, admiration for the founding fathers and a militia mentality.

"when i wake up in the morning...the first thing i think about is killing...seriously... i think about killing all the time," he wrote in one conversation. "as i type this...my AK is propped up next to me...mujahideen style."

He was training, he wrote, to be killed as a martyr and believed he'd be rewarded in heaven, likely with 79 virgins.

When the cops found him, they'd find a "bulge in my pants...they know i see something when i am killed that make me realllllllllly happy."

Fantasies about women played a big role in Begolly's discussions. He recalled a dream he had where he was at a "really fancy dinner" with flowers, caviar and sterling silver ware, where he encountered "the most beautiful girl i ever see" who promised to marry him if he was martyred.

But in real life, he said he was ashamed to go on a date because of his poor manners.

People are sick.

203 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:41:03am

re: #202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

TPM:

People are sick.

Bullet looking for a gun.

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:41:18am

I found a video used as evidence by the prosecution. Below the video part is a "As seen on" banner. Wanna guess the websites name that was there?

205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:42:20am

re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar

I found a video used as evidence by the prosecution. Below the video part is a "As seen on" banner. Wanna guess the websites name that was there?

?

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:42:46am

Begolly's AHF stats:

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207 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:43:03am

re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

?

AS

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:43:14am

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

Username:
Emerson Begolly
Rank:
Member
Location:
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Interests:
post-war lives of National Socialists, Gestapo, small arms of the Third Reich, WW2 pictures, philosophy

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:44:57am
by Emerson Begolly on Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:36 pm
My favoirte song would be "Sk8er Boi" by Avril Lavigne:

Sk8er Boi
He was a boy, she was a girl
Can I make it anymore obvious?

[...]

Enjoy.

By the way, when in Avril's new CD coming out?

Thanks,
Em.

210 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:45:38am
by Emerson Begolly on Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:12 pm
Thank you anyway.

Do you think that there were any Begollys in the Nazi Party? Maybe even the Austrian NSDAP?

Thanks,
Em.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:46:22am

As I thought, a collector:

Good Finds Today!

by Emerson Begolly on Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:00 pm
Hello Everyone!

Today, 12 September 2003, I got two great uniforms today. I will tell you of each of them. But, I have some questions to ask, too. Enjoy!

1. I bought an East German camo tunic at a Goodwill for $1.49!!! The size tag reads sg 56 (or a US 56 Long). Everything is in excellent condition, except for some lint, which I will remove.

2. At a yard sale, I bought an IKE jacket for $0.25!!! Now that is one hell of a deal! The size is Large, and the date of '56 is marked on the inside of the tunic. On of the buttons appears to have been restitched. But, I have a few questions. Here is the first: on the inside of the tunic just below the shoulders are pads sewn on. They are just like that the pads that women use to emphesize their shoulders. Also, the buttons on the shoulder boards are marked with anchors. Is this a Marines of Navy jacket? I would much appreciate help.

Thanks for looking!
Em.

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:48:03am
by Emerson Begolly on Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:08 pm
Heydrich was kinda cool. After all, he was a ladies' man.

Em.

213 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:48:21am
by Emerson Begolly on Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:18 am
There is, sadly enough, a "Communist Worker's Party of America" which I loathe with a passion.

Em.

214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:50:13am

re: #154 ggt

Life is a Monty Python skit, inside a Sci-Fi Novel.

Really, Douglas Adams is writing it--we live it.

If the blancmanges win Wimbeldon then it is the other way 'round, isn't it?

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:51:06am

Aha, this sheds some light:

Who would you spend the day with?

by The Mighty Sisto on Mon May 26, 2003 7:17 pm
If you had the chance of spending 24 hours with your favorite Nazi or any other WWII figure, who would it be and what would you do? This could be intersting...

*The Mighty Sisto*


by Emerson Begolly on Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:18 pm
Julius Streicher. We could talk about subjects that may be deemed "offensive" to some, and enjoy "adult" books and films! I could talk stupid around him and he would just talk goofy back! I am interested in some of the same things as Streicher.

If he were unavalible, I would choose SS-Gruppenfuhrer Heinrich "Gestapo" Muller. He could teach me how to be shrewd like a fox and sneak around.

Any opinions or comments?

Thanks,
Em.

216 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:51:33am

re: #211 Sergey Romanov

As I thought, a collector:

If he's happy with an East German commie kit, he's just looking to be terminally obnoxious. He'd be an atheist in church and a black at a Klan rally.

217 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:52:42am

A patriot:

by Emerson Begolly on Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:19 pm
Hap-Hap-Happy 4th of July!!!
My country's birthday.
Today I plan to go to my farm and Bar-B-Q all kinds of junk!

Bee good! 8)

Em.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:54:25am
by Emerson Begolly on Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:20 pm
I believe that the Eichmann trial was a total disgrace of justice. First all, it was kidnapping, a crime that is totally imoral. Second, Eichmann did not kill anyone, and I believe that he was harmless because of his weak stomach. He was not hurting anyone (after the war), so he should have been left to be free.

[edited by forum moderator]

Em.

219 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:55:47am

re: #217 Sergey Romanov

He changed his online name to "Abu Nancy" at one point.

220 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:56:30am

re: #218 Sergey Romanov

Fits the 'post-war lives' in your 208.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:57:48am

Another vegetaryan:

Vegetarians in History

by Emerson Begolly on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:07 am
First off, I am a vegetarian and have been ever since I was about 5 years old. I have no real idea why. I guess that the taste of meat and the fact that it came from an animal never appealed to me. Althought, I do eat eggs, fish, and dairy. I just like vegetables. Now they have meat substitutes. I believe that vegetables are good for you and important for the human body, where as meat is a non-essential accessory to ones diet. Man can fully function without meat.

Second, are you a vegetarian. If so, please tell me why. When did you stop eating meat. Are there any animal products that you will eat? Please tell me.

Now here is the main part. Here are some inportant people in history that are vegetarians:
-Me (of course )
-Ghandi
-Benjamin Franklin
-Adolf Hitler
-Albert Einstein
-Jesus Christ
-Leonardo DeVinci
-Dr. Michael Klaper
-Henry Longfellow
-Light
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
-Arthur Schopenhauer
-John Galsworthy
-Jeremy Bentham
-Cicero
-Rev. Dr. S. PArkes Cadman
-Dr. H. M. Shelton
-John Ruskin
-John Stuart Mill
-Rabindranath Tagore
-Plutarch
-Count Leo Tolstoy
-Cardinal Newman
-George Bernard Shaw
-Henry David Thoreau
-Bishop Westcott
-St. Francis of Assisi

Cheers!
Em.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:59:28am

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

I see what you did there.

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:01:21am
by Emerson Begolly on Sat May 31, 2003 7:47 pm
I know a KZ guard (won't give name out of respect). He was never prosecuted after the war because he got a job in the US Marines and even served in Korea and got the Purple Heart!!!
He has his entire WW2 uniform set: hat, ribbon bar, KVK 1 without swords, Silver DRL Sports Badge, silver, wound badge, tunic with all insignia, pants, boots, dagger, Luger pistol, belt, etc. I have no idea how he got it all here, though. I've been trying to milk items off of him for years now and he just laughs at he saying I should be into sports. He once showed me a photo of him wearing his US Korean War medals and WW2 German medals. I thinks he's proud to have served in US and Germany. Just to let you know, he claimed that he DID NOT commit any war crimes. He was in the Das Reich Waffen SS until he got his legs shot up by a machine gun and went to serve at a KZ (I won't say which one also out of respect). He brought the people into the camp and made sure that no one escaped. When I asked him if he had ever killed anyone he said that he did, but only when he had to. Then he started getting really upset and changed the topic. The most info I got from him was that he made sure that everyone got from the train into the camp and that no one escaped, he had his legs shot up in Poland before he had shot two Poles at a machine gun, and he did kill Koreans and was injured by a grenade fragment. He is very patriotic, both to the US and Germany, and belongs to both veteran organizations for the SS and US armed forces. As far as I know is in OK health. I have not seen him though since my birthday in late March.

Em.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:02:29am

Alrighty. Need to go for a quick walk. BBIAB.

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:06:09am
Der Stürmer in English

by Emerson Begolly on Sat May 17, 2003 8:06 pm
I once saw an English-language version of Der Stürmer at a flea market. I found it vulgar, yet somwhat funny. Does anyone know where I can find more English-language versions of Der Stürmer?

Thanks,
Em.

226 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:07:19am

re: #223 Sergey Romanov

Guy's a sad, crappy little datapoint. There are too many thousands like him. Must get some work done before the sun wipes us out again. BBL.

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:10:17am
What if there was no Holocaust?

by Emerson Begolly on Thu May 15, 2003 6:10 pm
I am not denying the Holocaust, so this isn't offensive.
What I am saying is what if Hitler had not order the excutions of "undesirables?" Say he was still anti-Sematic, but just banned Jews from the armed forces, fired them from jobs, and other thing, but did not have anyone kill them. Them same with the other groups that Hitler didn't like? THen what? Would there still be trials for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Nurenberg and elsewhere? What would have happened to Hitler's generals and political leaders, and the SS? Would there have been any reason for the leaders to kill themselves? Would Hitler still be considered the way he is now? Or could the Nazis have won the war because they weren't wasting man-power on killing people that they didn't like? What do you think?

Em.

228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:14:11am

re: #227 Sergey Romanov

Did anybody try to answer this one?

229 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:14:28am

He looks like a twit in search of an identity that would garner himself attention and/or power (as he sees it). And he followed it into deep and dark places.

230 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:15:15am

re: #228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Probably, I didn't look. AHF is a mainstream forum, both me and Obdi posted there.

231 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:16:34am

Morning Lizardim. Who on Earth is this guy, and why are we talking about him?

232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:16:51am

re: #230 Sergey Romanov

Probably, I didn't look. AHF is a mainstream forum, both me and Obdi posted there.

I'm familiar with AHF.

233 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:26:57am

re: #230 Sergey Romanov

I'd bet the indefatigable David Thompson answered.

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:33:00am

Hmm.

Waffen SS Aplication Form
Just for fun, I would like to see who could make the best Waffen SS aplication form. Do it on Word, and send it as an attachment to my
e-mail address: jak12@psu.edu. Have fun!

Em.

Used his mom's email.

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:33:58am

re: #231 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. Who on Earth is this guy, and why are we talking about him?

Another dumb, stupid bigot in the news.

This one loves to play Nazi Dressup, like Rich Iott (R - Waffen SS)

236 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:38:15am

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Another dumb, stupid bigot in the news.

This one loves to play Nazi Dressup, like Rich Iott (R - Waffen SS)

Though he's been arrested and such for things other than that. I guess being a wannabe Nazi wasn't enough for him, so he went over to being a wannabe extreme Islamist as well. :p

237 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:38:27am

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

dumb, stupid bigot

But you repeat yourself.

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:38:40am

OK, that at least at one time he was a far right extremist is clear (obvious antisemite, Holocaust denier, Third Reich lover). The question is then, was there a progression from this stance to Islamism, or was the latter a mask for stirring shit up?

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:40:02am

re: #238 Sergey Romanov

Why I raise the question is because he lied too much - e.g. wrote that he was from Chechnya.

240 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:41:02am

re: #238 Sergey Romanov

OK, that at least at one time he was a far right extremist is clear (obvious antisemite, Holocaust denier, Third Reich lover). The question is then, was there a progression from this stance to Islamism, or was the latter a mask for stirring shit up?

If his goal is to be a hated societal reject, Nazi was a good early career path. After 9/11, being a jihadi was the fast track.

241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:41:54am

re: #238 Sergey Romanov

OK, that at least at one time he was a far right extremist is clear (obvious antisemite, Holocaust denier, Third Reich lover). The question is then, was there a progression from this stance to Islamism, or was the latter a mask for stirring shit up?

Is he bright enough to make the Grand Mufti connection, or just trying to be outrageous as possible.

242 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:43:10am

re: #240 Decatur Deb

If his goal is to be a hated societal reject, Nazi was a good early career path. After 9/11, being a jihadi was the fast track.

This, very much this. Reading his forum posts is like reading a forum troll. Seriously, I think this guy was actually trying to troll in real life and just took it to its logical extreme.

243 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:43:22am

re: #241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is he bright enough to make the Grand Mufti connection, or just trying to be outrageous as possible.

He probably read enough in that world, and watched enough Hitler Channel, to make the connection. It would have seemed like a natural progression.

244 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:45:26am

re: #242 thedopefishlives

This, very much this. Reading his forum posts is like reading a forum troll. Seriously, I think this guy was actually trying to troll in real life and just took it to its logical extreme.

Yes--he took it almost far enough to get people dead.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:02:49am

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

WASHINGTON — A federal judge has ruled that former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld can be sued personally for damages by a former U.S. military contractor who says he was tortured during a nine-month imprisonment in Iraq.

The lawsuit lays out a dramatic tale of the disappearance of the then-civilian contractor, an Army veteran in his 50s whose identity is being withheld from court filings for fear of retaliation. Attorneys for the man, who speaks five languages and worked as a translator for Marines collecting intelligence in Iraq, say he was preparing to come home to the United States on annual leave when he was abducted by the U.S. military and held without justification while his family knew nothing about his whereabouts or even whether he was still alive.

246 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:05:44am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Yes--he took it almost far enough to get people dead.

Thank God he stopped before that. Still a loathsome choad, though.

Good morning, all. Those 'nod-offs' that have sometimes seen me fall asleep or nearly do so while posting here have gotten worse. Yesterday, I nearly missed my stop on the L and I'm having to guard against it much more than I should at work, where it does not look good. So I'm going to see my doctor today (because its gotten worse since he changed my medication) to see what's wrong.

247 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:06:58am

re: #245 Sergey Romanov

Ouch. If there's a torture story that will make the US public pay attention, that one is probably it.

248 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:07:45am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Dark, my wife has a similar condition, and I'd recommend you ask your doctor about the off-label use of Provigil. That is the only thing that helps her.

250 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:08:54am

Well, I've had my excitement for the day...

Nothing like driving at 4:00 a.m. on the 405, very light traffic and listening to music... freeway bending to the left, I'm in the carpool lane which is open to general traffic until 5:00... and around the bend is a pair of headlights rushing to met me!

I quickly move right... the oncoming car moves also across the lanes.

"Pick a FUCKING LANE!" I say out loud (pretty sure I was yelling)... and we pass each other separated by one lane.

I pull all the way to the right and stop, reaching for my cellphone. Just as I grab the phone from my pack, a State Trooper also comes around the bend. I look in the rear view mirror and can see more light coming up the freeway behind in the distance, with other cars trying to get out of the way of this asshole. I think the "pack" then moved off the freeway on an exit ramp - wrong way of course.

Coffee? Naw, I'm good for now...

251 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:09:10am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

+1 for the use of "choad"

252 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:11:20am

re: #250 Ericus58

That'll certainly get your blood pumping.

253 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:12:39am

re: #245 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Pretty far-fetched tale, that one.

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:13:55am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

The court seems to take it seriously. We'll see.

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:15:21am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Note that there doesn't seem to be a denial of at least the fact of the "containment".

256 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:15:29am

re: #248 Obdicut

Dark, my wife has a similar condition, and I'd recommend you ask your doctor about the off-label use of Provigil. That is the only thing that helps her.

Thanks, I'll ask. This problem has gotten me a fair bit of trouble at work, and it really needs to be addressed before I return. I'll see what my doctor says.

257 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:15:46am

re: #254 Sergey Romanov

The court seems to take it seriously. We'll see.

It's the court's job to take everything seriously, unless it can be proven to be frivolous.

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:18:00am

re: #257 thedopefishlives

Well, yeah, what I mean is that it doesn't seem to be frivolous, i.e. there is something to discuss further here, not some outlandish CT.

259 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:19:44am

re: #255 Sergey Romanov

Note that there doesn't seem to be a denial of at least the fact of the "containment".

It would be hard to deny. But his claim of contact with a conveniently dead hero (and Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha was a hero for leading the Anbar Awakening) is rather suspicious. My guess is that the NCIS had more on him than he'll admit, but could not talk about it due to secrecy.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:20:29am

re: #258 Sergey Romanov

Well, yeah, what I mean is that it doesn't seem to be frivolous, i.e. there is something to discuss further here, not some outlandish CT.

I think saying that Rumsfeld personally directed all this is a bit much, and there seemed to be some possibly conspiracy-minded bits in there that could all be figments of his imagination; but it will all come out in discovery if the lawsuit makes it that far.

261 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:22:09am

re: #258 Sergey Romanov

Well, yeah, what I mean is that it doesn't seem to be frivolous, i.e. there is something to discuss further here, not some outlandish CT.

I'd like to hear more of his story but I'd bet the judge gets overruled. I'm wondering how she decided a U.S. secretary of defense doesn't have personal immunity in a situation like this.

262 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:24:50am

re: #261 RogueOne

I'd like to hear more of his story but I'd bet the judge gets overruled. I'm wondering how she decided a U.S. secretary of defense doesn't have personal immunity in a situation like this.

Agreed. The Supreme Court recent ruling was unanimous, as the article says. My guess is that her rationale is that Rumsfeld is responsible because he approved the measures used.

263 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:24:59am

Mornin' sunshine daydreamers.

264 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:30:10am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

It would be hard to deny. But his claim of contact with a conveniently dead hero (and Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha was a hero for leading the Anbar Awakening) is rather suspicious. My guess is that the NCIS had more on him than he'll admit, but could not talk about it due to secrecy.

If that were true, he'd probably not want to pursue the case in court where more discovery can occur.

265 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:33:25am

Rough day at work yesterday...got to see first hand what it feels like to get thrown under the bus. That's some seriously fucked up shit. Probably my worst day ever - worse than when I got fired, even. The good news, though, is I've learned that I can't trust any of the other managers, and that they will, any time they feel it's expedient, use me and my team as a scapegoat. Ahh...teamwork. It's a wonderful thing.

It's good to get fucked over. Builds character. Now I can return to work with my head held high and focus on making the changes that I do need to make to improve my team and repair what damage to my reputation that I can (I discovered I have some gaps in my visibility throughout engineering and the company). I like my boss...I can be frank with him.

266 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:33:53am

re: #264 Obdicut

If that were true, he'd probably not want to pursue the case in court where more discovery can occur.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Sometimes people decide to play the lottery with the court system in the hope that their adversary would rather settle than let all the details come out in court, even if their own skeletons in the closet are no less vile. Software patent trolls do this all the time; they file lawsuits against companies who infringe in the hope of obtaining a settlement and license agreement, gambling that their opponent won't press the issue and get the patents invalidated.

267 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:34:18am

re: #264 Obdicut

If that were true, he'd probably not want to pursue the case in court where more discovery can occur.

He may be gambling that the NCIS still won't be willing to reveal their hand. This is all just supposition on my part, of course.

268 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:37:15am

re: #265 darthstar

Rough day at work yesterday...got to see first hand what it feels like to get thrown under the bus. That's some seriously fucked up shit. Probably my worst day ever - worse than when I got fired, even. The good news, though, is I've learned that I can't trust any of the other managers, and that they will, any time they feel it's expedient, use me and my team as a scapegoat. Ahh...teamwork. It's a wonderful thing.

It's good to get fucked over. Builds character. Now I can return to work with my head held high and focus on making the changes that I do need to make to improve my team and repair what damage to my reputation that I can (I discovered I have some gaps in my visibility throughout engineering and the company). I like my boss...I can be frank with him.

Boy, do I know that feeling. Hang in there, Darth, and don't let them try to hose you.

269 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:37:21am

re: #266 thedopefishlives

I don't think gambling on Donald Rumsfeld and the US government backing down is a very good bet. The guy could be an absolute moron, of course.

270 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:38:23am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Boy, do I know that feeling. Hang in there, Darth, and don't let them try to hose you.


I figure while I'm down here I can cut the brake lines.
//

271 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:38:27am

re: #269 Obdicut

I don't think gambling on Donald Rumsfeld and the US government backing down is a very good bet. The guy could be an absolute moron, of course.

Actually, gambling against the government in court is a safer bet than most. However, pressing the suit against Donald Rumsfeld personally? Yeah, I'd be outta there.

272 lizardofid  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:40:26am

re: #265 darthstar

Rough day at work yesterday...got to see first hand what it feels like to get thrown under the bus. That's some seriously fucked up shit. Probably my worst day ever - worse than when I got fired, even. The good news, though, is I've learned that I can't trust any of the other managers, and that they will, any time they feel it's expedient, use me and my team as a scapegoat. Ahh...teamwork. It's a wonderful thing.

It's good to get fucked over. Builds character. Now I can return to work with my head held high and focus on making the changes that I do need to make to improve my team and repair what damage to my reputation that I can (I discovered I have some gaps in my visibility throughout engineering and the company). I like my boss...I can be frank with him.

That last bit about your boss is invaluable. I'd take great solace in that.

273 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:43:04am

re: #272 lizardofid

That last bit about your boss is invaluable. I'd take great solace in that.

Yeah...he's a good guy. And he's been going through a shitstorm of his own for months...and of course he gets to take heat along side me. But I will use the metaphor from my comment to D_F above about cutting the brakes. I'm good at what I do and I have a crack-team of engineers under me. I just need to organize my shit a bit better so the next time some other manager tries to yank a project mid-stream and say it's because I didn't provide the support, I can rightly tell him to go fuck himself and find another excuse.

And my boss will be okay with that, I think.

274 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:46:00am

Okay...going to run the dogs early...I'm still very pissed about yesterday and I can feel it boiling up inside me...best to take it out on the coastal trail and get some positive energy from the ocean...that big salty fucker calms me more than anything.

275 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:46:18am

re: #273 darthstar

Sorry to hear about your work issues. Guess that clarifies who you can and can't trust among the management and coworkers and if anything, that's a good silver lining to CYA against future issues.

276 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:47:01am

re: #265 darthstar

I have an offer from a new start-up that I've been seriously considering. The biggest drawback I see is having to work/depend on other people. It's awfully nice being your own boss.

277 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:01:40am

Dow -158
Another gloomy day in the markets.

278 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:04:47am

re: #277 Killgore Trout

And again the problems are tied to the EU and its own debt crises plus the fact that the jobs market in the US is essential flatlined (stuck in neutral).

279 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:13:47am

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Dow -158
Another gloomy day in the markets.

By the end of the day, you may be wishing it was ONLY down 158....

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:16:21am

Kent, who has run the bookstore since 2009, said the university and the store had no intention of offending anyone with the mints. The store previously carried satirical mints aimed at former President George W. Bush when he was in office.

"We've never had any complaints before and we've carried them for years," Kent said. "But someone saw it and they were offended by it, brought it to the attention of a state representative, and I said 'no problem, we'll remove them.'"

Armstrong insisted he would take the same stance if he had seen mints making fun of Bush or Gov. Bill Haslam, both Republicans.

I am offended that someone is offended. Get a fucking hobby.
[Link: www.knoxnews.com...]

281 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:18:40am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar


I am offended that someone is offended. Get a fucking hobby.

I find your being offended that someone else is offended offensive.... I'm shooting out a letter to my state rep as we speak!

282 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:21:29am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kent, who has run the bookstore since 2009, said the university and the store had no intention of offending anyone with the mints. The store previously carried satirical mints aimed at former President George W. Bush when he was in office.

"We've never had any complaints before and we've carried them for years," Kent said. "But someone saw it and they were offended by it, brought it to the attention of a state representative, and I said 'no problem, we'll remove them.'"

Armstrong insisted he would take the same stance if he had seen mints making fun of Bush or Gov. Bill Haslam, both Republicans.

I am offended that someone is offended. Get a fucking hobby.
[Link: www.knoxnews.com...]

Ah, the professionally aggrieved. How I wish we were rid of them.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:21:40am

re: #281 RogueOne

I actually find it funny that they had mints making fun of "W" but nobody was offended. Although, I am also offend that UT football thinks they belong in the SEC.

284 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:26:29am

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually find it funny that they had mints making fun of "W" but nobody was offended. Although, I am also offend that UT football thinks they belong in the SEC.

Oh Snap!
lol

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:27:36am

re: #284 Ericus58

Oh Snap!
lol

I need to forward that to Stanley Sea. Heh.

286 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:27:58am

So I got a call from the local police last night... (That's a great way to start a story!)

Last week my 18yr old SiL told me the local pd wanted to have a word with her. Short version of her story: Went to big party, laptop turned up missing, cops wanted to talk to everyone there (60 people or so). I had her watch the "Flex your rights" video about dealing with the police and the video from the law professor at the University of Virginia "Never speak to the police".

Cops called her last night wanting to know when she would be coming in to talk to him and she said "Never". He responded "Fine, I'll just put out a warrant. See you in court". She told him "good luck with that".

So then the officer called me. I have no idea how he got my number but he wanted me to talk her into coming in to talk to him. I patiently explained he was barking up the wrong tree since I'm the one who told her never speak to the police especially if she hadn't done anything wrong. He hung up on me. I didn't even get a chance to yell "Down with the Man!" or anything.

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:29:51am

re: #286 RogueOne

Fucking awesome!!!

288 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:31:26am

Developing: Police report gunman on campus of Virginia Tech, site of 2007 mass shooting.

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:31:30am

My radio just said there is a gunman on the campus of Virginia Tech. Alert issued at 9:37

290 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:32:04am

re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fucking awesome!!!

Can you imagine? Asking ME to talk her into it. I had to force myself not to laugh.

I was proud of her. She put up a brave front until she hung up and then she freaked out and cried. I explained he was just trying to scare her. I also told her to pass those videos around since obviously her friends are idiots for even speaking to him. Supposedly she's the only one that refused.

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:32:21am

re: #288 lawhawk

I don't believe you.

292 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:32:32am

re: #288 lawhawk

[Link: www2.wsls.com...]

At 9:09 a.m. three juveniles attending a camp at the university reported seeing a white male, 6 feet tall, with light brown hair outside of New Residence Hall East holding what may have been a handgun.

They say the weapon was covered by a cloth or covering of some sort. He was walking fast in the direction of the volleyball courts. He was wearing a blue and white striped shirt (stripes were vertical), gray shorts and brown sandals. The subject had no facial hair or glasses.

Officers responded immediately to the area but found no one matching the description. Police have encountered no other witnesses reporting this individual or anything suspicious. Law enforcement officers from VTPD, Blacksburg PD, Christiansburg, PD, and Montgomery County Sheriff's Office are patrolling the campus, continuing to look for the subject.

293 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:33:10am

re: #286 RogueOne

He responded "Fine, I'll just put out a warrant. See you in court".

Don't you have to show "probable cause" to obtain a warrant?

294 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:34:29am

re: #293 Alouette

Don't you have to show "probable cause" to obtain a warrant?

...and exercising your 5th amendment rights doesn't count.

295 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:35:01am

re: #292 lawhawk

Hopefully it's a false alarm. Someone on their way to shoot pool.

296 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:35:13am

re: #290 RogueOne

Can you imagine? Asking ME to talk her into it. I had to force myself not to laugh.

I was proud of her. She put up a brave front until she hung up and then she freaked out and cried. I explained he was just trying to scare her. I also told her to pass those videos around since obviously her friends are idiots for even speaking to him. Supposedly she's the only one that refused.

It's a hell of a note, though, when people have to take as much care as those vids suggest just so they don't get in trouble for something they didn't do. But as I've found out, one has to approach any sort of police investigation with some amount of wariness, at least until you can be certain you're not suspected of anything.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:35:53am

re: #294 RogueOne

...and exercising your 5th amendment rights doesn't count.

That, and the "see you in court thing". I think he was just trying to scare her.

298 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:39:07am

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

Just admitting she was underage at a party with alcohol puts her in jeopardy. I told her she can't lie so the best thing is to keep her mouth shut.

I had a talk with the family attorney years back and it's stuck with me. He said his life would be so much easier if his clients had ever learned to shut up.

299 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:39:36am

I love that fucking ocean. Foggy, misty morning jog + calm seas with small rollers > bus.

300 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:39:37am

re: #293 Alouette

Don't you have to show "probable cause" to obtain a warrant?

It's called a "Material Witness Warrant". If the case amounts to Grand Theft and you refuse to speak to the police at all, then they can in cases obtain such a warrant in order to take you into custody and obtain the information they need. If it looks like a situation where they can do that, then you need to talk to a lawyer and then go in to see the police with said lawyer.

301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:41:04am

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I was wondering about that. I couldn't imagine that the police wouldn't have a procedure to produce information from witnesses to a crime.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:43:04am

If Rogue's SIL has to go to court, I hope she uses the work "coppers"!!

303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:43:24am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

Word=work

304 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:46:43am

I just went out to check the goings on in the garden. It's swarming with little tiny frogs. They're everywhere! They're still to small to eat slugs but they should be big enough in a month or so. I think I might have taken a few usable pics. If so, I'll post a garden page this weekend.

305 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:51:26am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

If Rogue's SIL has to go to court, I hope she uses the work "coppers"!!

She won't. It's over a laptop, hardly grand theft. My guess is this is the last she hears about it. In this county there is one good defense lawyer and he's the one the family uses so worst case scenario she already has representation.

306 iossarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:57:20am

Morning all. Intriguing story about Christine Lagarde's role in a case that eventually awarded a large (285 million euro) payout to the somewhat* shady Bernard Tapie (football fans will remember him as the owner of Olympique Marseille when they bought the European Cup). The money came from the public since it involved a dispute between Tapie and a state-owned bank.

Tapie is a prominent supporter of Sarkozy of course, and Lagarde was his finance minister at the time of the settlement. Nice to see that the money/politics/business roundabout doesn't stop at the US border!

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

* I lie. He's completely shady.

307 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:59:41am

It was my granddaughter's birthday, so everyone must have a piece of cake by royal order of The Princess.

308 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:01:15am

DJI

11,655.76
-240.68 (-2.02%)

7/5/2011-8/4/2011 -936.25 (-7.44%)

309 iossarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:01:22am

re: #307 Alouette

It was my granddaughter's birthday, so everyone must have a piece of cake by royal order of The Princess.

Yay for princesses. They make everything else worthwhile!

310 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:01:31am

re: #307 Alouette

It was my granddaughter's birthday, so everyone must have a piece of cake by royal order of The Princess.

I'll have the tower on the left. Thanks! Happy birthday, granddaughter!

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:01:39am

re: #307 Alouette

It was my granddaughter's birthday, so everyone must have a piece of cake by royal order of The Princess.

Were the towers edible? I can see what they did on the top of them.

312 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:02:19am

Image: TheLarch.jpg

313 iossarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:03:34am

re: #312 Gus 802

Image: TheLarch.jpg

Look, if this is going to be silly, I'm not going to do it.

314 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:04:45am

re: #313 iossarian

Look, if this is going to be silly, I'm not going to do it.

Ditto.

315 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:04:51am

re: #313 iossarian

Look, if this is going to be silly, I'm not going to do it.

Dinsdale

316 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:05:22am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

Were the towers edible? I can see what they did on the top of them.

Looks like the towers were made out of ice cream cones filled with cake batter and covered in frosting.

317 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:05:29am

re: #308 Gus 802

DJI

11,655.76
-240.68 (-2.02%)

7/5/2011-8/4/2011 -936.25 (-7.44%)

"The S&P 500 and the tech-heavy Nasdaq also tumbled. The S&P touched its correction territory as it dipped 10 percent from its intrady high in May. The CBOE Volatility Index, widely considered the best gauge of fear in the market, jumped above 24."
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

Hold Me!!

318 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:06:16am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

Ditto.

Dotto.

Actually. That's like a line from Monty Python. "Look, if this is going to be silly, I'm not going to do it."

Quack.

319 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:06:30am

re: #307 Alouette

It was my granddaughter's birthday, so everyone must have a piece of cake by royal order of The Princess.

Yowie zowie, that's some cake!

320 iossarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:08:39am

re: #318 Gus 802

Dotto.

Actually. That's like a line from Monty Python. "Look, if this is going to be silly, I'm not going to do it."

Quack.

That is indeed why I posted it. I'm not sure it's a direct quote, but there's a lead-in for one of the episodes that involves a viking/tv presenter character complaining about the silliness of the setup, I believe.

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:09:24am

re: #316 Alouette

Looks like the towers were made out of ice cream cones filled with cake batter and covered in frosting.

You would have the bottom of the tower heaviest (obviously) and then the 2nd would still need some weight, but the top would prolly be empty.

322 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:10:10am

re: #307 Alouette

It was my granddaughter's birthday, so everyone must have a piece of cake by royal order of The Princess.

Wow, that looks good. I'm hungry now.

323 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:11:02am

re: #317 Ericus58

"The S&P 500 and the tech-heavy Nasdaq also tumbled. The S&P touched its correction territory as it dipped 10 percent from its intrady high in May. The CBOE Volatility Index, widely considered the best gauge of fear in the market, jumped above 24."
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

Hold Me!!

Gonna have to test out my "hobo mode" any day now. Argh. Was being naive thinking that this summer would be another "summer of recovery." Obviously we need to forget that. I feel like I'm repeating myself from years past. Again we will have another crappy fall and holiday season sales will be close to suckage. This is year three since the Meltdown of 2008. Almost. I'm sure it started before that and perhaps in 2006 making it 5 years or more. This is The Great Recession.

324 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:14:56am

Johnny’s in the basement
Mixing up the medicine
I’m on the pavement
Thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat
Badge out, laid off
Says he’s got a bad cough
Wants to get it paid off
Look out kid
It’s somethin’ you did
God knows when
But you’re doin’ it again
You better duck down the alley way
Lookin’ for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap
By the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten

325 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:15:24am

Interesting story in the NYT about GOP donors. The current crop is looking to exploit the GWB donor lists, and they're finding trouble.

What's interesting is that McCain didn't cultivate his own donors and instead relied on many of the same Bush donors who held out until after the field was settled:

And some large bundlers, unsatisfied with the presidential field, are choosing to place their bets with the party’s Congressional wing or with independent expenditure groups, which offer them the ease of writing a single check instead of the grinding work of wrangling contributions from dozens of friends and business associates.

“Nobody is inheriting any kind of apparatus left over from the Bushes at all,” said Ray Washburne, a Dallas entrepreneur and former Bush Ranger who is backing Tim Pawlenty, the former Minnesota governor. “Everything’s going to have to be recreated. There are new players who want to play, and there are other people tired and done.”

More of Mr. Bush’s former supporters could still emerge later in the race or after the party settles on a nominee, as many Rangers and Pioneers did for Senator John McCain of Arizona, the nominee in 2008. Some may be awaiting the entry into the presidential race of Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, though some longtime Bush supporters said there was relatively little overlap between Mr. Bush’s network of financial supporters and the one built by Mr. Perry, a powerhouse fund-raiser in his own right.

326 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:15:31am

re: #323 Gus 802

Gonna have to test out my "hobo mode" any day now. Argh. Was being naive thinking that this summer would be another "summer of recovery." Obviously we need to forget that. I feel like I'm repeating myself from years past. Again we will have another crappy fall and holiday season sales will be close to suckage. This is year three since the Meltdown of 2008. Almost. I'm sure it started before that and perhaps in 2006 making it 5 years or more. This is The Great Recession.

As I said, forget about major recovery until businesses are more certain of conditions. The toxic asset issue is still an issue, though it's been reduced, and the political fighting in Washington also makes businesses nervous. Facing an uncertain tax and regulatory environment, most are choosing to just sit on their cash for now.

327 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:15:41am

re: #323 Gus 802

Gonna have to test out my "hobo mode" any day now. Argh. Was being naive thinking that this summer would be another "summer of recovery." Obviously we need to forget that. I feel like I'm repeating myself from years past. Again we will have another crappy fall and holiday season sales will be close to suckage. This is year three since the Meltdown of 2008. Almost. I'm sure it started before that and perhaps in 2006 making it 5 years or more. This is The Great Recession.

The obvious solution is to dismantle unions, cut taxes on Jerry Jones and Paris Hilton, and throw hundreds of thousands of government employees out of work.

328 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:17:15am

re: #323 Gus 802

I don't think it was 2006. At the Christmas party for the company I worked for in 2007, we were told we had 5 years of work lined up. I was out in July 2007. Don't get me wrong, it came fast, but contracts were signed by people who kinda knew what they were doing.

329 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:17:42am

‎re: #323 Gus 802

Gonna have to test out my "hobo mode" any day now. Argh. Was being naive thinking that this summer would be another "summer of recovery." Obviously we need to forget that. I feel like I'm repeating myself from years past. Again we will have another crappy fall and holiday season sales will be close to suckage. This is year three since the Meltdown of 2008. Almost. I'm sure it started before that and perhaps in 2006 making it 5 years or more. This is The Great Recession.

Rural New Mexico is usually a couple years behind the rest of the country in terms of the economy. It's the equivalent of early 2009 here. The future is not so bright.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:18:28am

re: #328 Cannadian Club Akbar

July 2008. D'oh!!

331 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:19:16am

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

As I said, forget about major recovery until businesses are more certain of conditions. The toxic asset issue is still an issue, though it's been reduced, and the political fighting in Washington also makes businesses nervous. Facing an uncertain tax and regulatory environment the reelection of Barack Obama, most are choosing to just sit on their cash for now.

Not that what you said is incorrect, but I believe what I filled in is a factor.

332 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:23:10am

re: #331 wrenchwench

Not that what you said is incorrect, but I believe what I filled in is a factor.

Not so much. If they though Obama's reelection was a certainty, they'd have some better insight with which to make decisions. It is possible that some business leaders don't want a full-fledged recovery, in order to prevent Obama from taking credit for it. But that's too conspiratorial for my tastes and I think that theory incorrect.

333 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:23:13am

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

As I said, forget about major recovery until businesses are more certain of conditions. The toxic asset issue is still an issue, though it's been reduced, and the political fighting in Washington also makes businesses nervous. Facing an uncertain tax and regulatory environment, most are choosing to just sit on their cash for now.

I would have to agree with the first part. As far as tax and regulatory perhaps with some industries like the petroleum industry. But they've had almost a whole decade of nearly stable tax environment. Including having had overseas tax shelters many of which continue to this day. The cash as you know is there. I believe we have a systemic problem and one that requires a major restructuring of how we do things. Not just in the USA but around the world. Right now we're looking at the detrimental effects of the EU crisis. It is indeed a global market and global crisis.

334 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:24:28am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Not so much. If they though Obama's reelection was a certainty, they'd have some better insight with which to make decisions. It is possible that some business leaders don't want a full-fledged recovery, in order to prevent Obama from taking credit for it. But that's too conspiratorial for my tastes and I think that theory incorrect.

Don't tell anyone but that actually crossed my mind. Oops, too late.

335 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:24:43am

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

As I said, forget about major recovery until businesses are more certain of conditions. The toxic asset issue is still an issue, though it's been reduced, and the political fighting in Washington also makes businesses nervous. Facing an uncertain tax and regulatory environment, most are choosing to just sit on their cash for now.

No, Dark. It's not the tax or regulatory environment. It's mostly uncertainty about the actual market, i.e., consumers, and the fact that we're cutting spending in the middle of a recession, which means the recession will deepen and consumer spending will go down.

The blackmail over the debt ceiling has scared the shit out of everyone, because the GOP is putting politics way ahead of the economy or the deficit on every level. If they were honestly going after the deficit, that'd be one thing, but instead they're just reducing spending, mindlessly.

336 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:25:00am

Dollars to donuts, not a damn thing is happening at VT. Panicky local law enforcement and hysterical media, plus absolutely nothing of substance.

337 AK-47%  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:27:32am

Republicans have nothing to gain from an economy that is on the rebound in 2012: they need to keep it tottering along without collypsing, which requires a great deal of brinkmanship, especially when one wing of the party is nearly uncontrollable.

My personal prediction is that gasoline and food prices will continue to go up all year next year, dampening recovery and really putting the screws to the people at the low end of the pay scale.

338 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:27:46am

The US is off the hook, but it looks like Italy is not so lucky.

339 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:28:46am

-276
Ugh

340 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:29:37am

re: #333 Gus 802

The tax positions in the US are clear through the expiration of the extended Obama cuts in 2013. That gives roughly 2 years of guidance on tax positions. Government spending is also roughly known for the ongoing fiscal year and part of next. So I'd put that down as less of a factor on business sitting on the sidelines than other factors.

Uncertainty in the bond markets and the stock market are more of a driver as to why businesses aren't expanding and/or are sitting on larger cash reserves. Jitters about the overseas stability of countries like Italy and Greece are a factor - and worries that the problems could spread to other markets is a factor.

The real estate market in the US is a major reason businesses aren't doing well; it's a key driver to so many different industries that it's having a ripple effect that will be felt for years to come. Some regions are seeing growth, but it's anemic on a national level compared to what's necessary for a stable market (when looking at inventory, new builds, existing home sales, etc.) And in those markets where there is growth and/or demand for new housing, developers are having a tough time obtaining the necessary credit even with all the government intervention in the credit markets to date.

341 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:30:00am

Seems like Fjordman has been questioned already
[Link: translate.google.com...]

342 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:30:23am

re: #333 Gus 802

I would have to agree with the first part. As far as tax and regulatory perhaps with some industries like the petroleum industry. But they've had almost a whole decade of nearly stable tax environment. Including having had overseas tax shelters many of which continue to this day. The cash as you know is there. I believe we have a systemic problem and one that requires a major restructuring of how we do things. Not just in the USA but around the world. Right now we're looking at the detrimental effects of the EU crisis. It is indeed a global market and global crisis.

File that under "Not going to happen". Even if the GOP was composed entirely of Lindsey Graham and John McCain types and the Democrats were composed of Diane Feinstein and Herb Kohl types, that would not happen. Because even there there is a fundamental disagreement about the size, and on some matters the proper role, of government. A massive governmental-led restructuring would be intolerable to one party or the other, since the two parties will never really agree on these matters. Doing what you are talking about would lead to civil war.

343 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:30:48am

re: #327 negativ

The obvious solution is to dismantle unions, cut taxes on Jerry Jones and Paris Hilton, and throw hundreds of thousands of government employees out of work.

Yep. Government workers pay taxes; buy homes and cars; purchase goods and services. And so on. It's actually a good return on the money. What I find ironic is that some of these very same people were behind the creation of "big government" with the massive expansion of "fortress America" and huge departments like Homeland Security; SWAT teams in almost every town; other law enforcement expansions; War on Drugs; the proverbial war machine; etc. But I suppose the same applies with people that work in those agencies. That they pay taxes; buy homes and cars; purchase goods and services. And so on.

344 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:31:55am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

-276
Ugh

Need a room mate? I'll happily go outside and yell at your "paint removal" neighbor.

//

345 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:32:21am

re: #182 Varek Raith

I want to see the right spin this. I really do.

McConnell Admits To Taking Debt Ceiling ‘Hostage’: It’s ‘Worth Ransoming’

I think this may lead to a wee bit uncertainty, no?

346 iossarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:33:29am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Not so much. If they though Obama's reelection was a certainty, they'd have some better insight with which to make decisions. It is possible that some business leaders don't want a full-fledged recovery, in order to prevent Obama from taking credit for it. But that's too conspiratorial for my tastes and I think that theory incorrect.

I agree on the conspiracy theory stuff. I think the reason why the 1% of people with money are sitting on it is obvious: the other 99% have nothing left to give, so why bother trying to sell them anything?

(Obviously this is an exaggeration since there is still some buying/selling going on, albeit at reduced rates.)

347 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:33:33am

re: #341 JJ42

Seems like Fjordman has been questioned already
[Link: translate.google.com...]

Yeah, that sounds like him....

- He seemed ideologically warped, and was completely convinced of his own world and reality, she says.
348 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:34:47am

re: #345 Varek Raith

I think this may lead to a wee bit uncertainty, no?

Seriously. The GOP is no happily, proudly saying that they have the ethics of a gang. From showing the clip from "The Town" where they talk about hurting people, to holding the debt ceiling hostage-- and remember, the vast majority of the US wanted taxes paid as part of that deal.

It's really insane. They're becoming more and more stereotypical.

349 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:35:41am

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

File that under "Not going to happen". Even if the GOP was composed entirely of Lindsey Graham and John McCain types and the Democrats were composed of Diane Feinstein and Herb Kohl types, that would not happen. Because even there there is a fundamental disagreement about the size, and on some matters the proper role, of government. A massive governmental-led restructuring would be intolerable to one party or the other, since the two parties will never really agree on these matters. Doing what you are talking about would lead to civil war.

I'm not naive enough to think that will happen. However, I think it will evolve into it's own restructuring if social evolution is a constant. Evolve or perish. If not it looks to me like most people won't be able to adapt so we're looking at "adapt or perish." Given the choice I think most people would choose to evolve rather than continuing down this road of "business as usual" which will lead to recession for while America lasts. It's like how we created the housing bubble. It didn't happen by accident. It was created by government and bank policy. Things have to change otherwise we'll just create other bubbles in the future that eventually burst.

350 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:37:57am

re: #349 Gus 802

I'm not naive enough to think that will happen. However, I think it will evolve into it's own restructuring if social evolution is a constant. Evolve or perish. If not it looks to me like most people won't be able to adapt so we're looking at "adapt or perish." Given the choice I think most people would choose to evolve rather than continuing down this road of "business as usual" which will lead to recession for while America lasts. It's like how we created the housing bubble. It didn't happen by accident. It was created by government and bank policy. Things have to change otherwise we'll just create other bubbles in the future that eventually burst.

We're screwed.
-Translation by Varek

351 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:38:50am

re: #335 Obdicut

No, Dark. It's not the tax or regulatory environment. It's mostly uncertainty about the actual market, i.e., consumers, and the fact that we're cutting spending in the middle of a recession, which means the recession will deepen and consumer spending will go down.

The blackmail over the debt ceiling has scared the shit out of everyone, because the GOP is putting politics way ahead of the economy or the deficit on every level. If they were honestly going after the deficit, that'd be one thing, but instead they're just reducing spending, mindlessly.

FAA shutdown at heart is about whether Democrats or Republicans get to call the shots
Associated Press 08/04/2011
Author: Joan Lowy
Copyright 2011. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
"WASHINGTON (AP) - On the surface, the partial shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration is about whether to cut $16 million in air service subsidies, a pretty small amount in this town. Underneath are layers upon layers of political gamesmanship that, at its heart, is about whether Democrats or Republicans get to call the shots in Congress."
(cont.)

352 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:39:13am

re: #350 Varek Raith

We're screwed.
-Translation by Varek

Oh, that was good. Do you speak Moonbat, by any chance?

353 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:39:33am

re: #351 Ericus58
Uh, it's about the GOP killing union rights for FAA workers and such.

354 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:39:51am

re: #352 thedopefishlives

A clarification: Do you *also* speak Moonbat, by any chance?

355 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:39:59am

re: #352 thedopefishlives

Oh, that was good. Do you speak Moonbat, by any chance?

NO WAR FOR OIL!
;)

356 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:41:59am

re: #340 lawhawk

The tax positions in the US are clear through the expiration of the extended Obama cuts in 2013. That gives roughly 2 years of guidance on tax positions. Government spending is also roughly known for the ongoing fiscal year and part of next. So I'd put that down as less of a factor on business sitting on the sidelines than other factors.

Uncertainty in the bond markets and the stock market are more of a driver as to why businesses aren't expanding and/or are sitting on larger cash reserves. Jitters about the overseas stability of countries like Italy and Greece are a factor - and worries that the problems could spread to other markets is a factor.

The real estate market in the US is a major reason businesses aren't doing well; it's a key driver to so many different industries that it's having a ripple effect that will be felt for years to come. Some regions are seeing growth, but it's anemic on a national level compared to what's necessary for a stable market (when looking at inventory, new builds, existing home sales, etc.) And in those markets where there is growth and/or demand for new housing, developers are having a tough time obtaining the necessary credit even with all the government intervention in the credit markets to date.

The down real estate market is in the pits. They are building some new homes though around the area that I'm currently located. I imagine these were planned pre October of 2008 considering the long process involved in this state. There is still, oddly enough, a surplus of homes when you consider previous build outs and foreclosures.

357 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:43:08am

re: #352 thedopefishlives

Oh, that was good. Do you speak Moonbat, by any chance?

Why? That's a universal American thought. We are screwed.

358 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:43:29am

re: #357 Gus 802

Why? That's a universal American thought. We are screwed.

Hence the clarification. I wasn't trying to imply that you were speaking Moonbat.

359 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:43:38am

Get sick, get well
Hang around a ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell
If anything is goin’ to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid
You’re gonna get hit
But users, cheaters
Six-time losers
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin’ for a new fool
Don’t follow leaders
Watch the parkin’ meters

360 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:44:12am

re: #353 Varek Raith

Uh, it's about the GOP killing union rights for FAA workers and such.

Not really. The people Obama appointed to the NLRB did indeed change a long-standing union election rule and change it to the airlines' disadvantage. Given that, plus Democratic support for card-check, one must arrive at the conclusion that Democrats wanted to move things on behalf of the unions. The GOP is acting to thwart a move that they see as giving the unions an unfair advantage.

361 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:44:29am

re: #358 thedopefishlives

Hence the clarification. I wasn't trying to imply that you were speaking Moonbat.

Roger. Copy. Over.

362 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:44:31am

re: #353 Varek Raith

Uh, it's about the GOP killing not expanding union rights for FAA workers and such.

FTFY! The fight is over a change to the voting regs. Repubs say it should stay as it is and dems say it should be changed.

363 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:45:11am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Not so much. If they though Obama's reelection was a certainty, they'd have some better insight with which to make decisions. It is possible that some business leaders don't want a full-fledged recovery, in order to prevent Obama from taking credit for it. But that's too conspiratorial for my tastes and I think that theory incorrect.

It's not conspiratorial. It's what people with a lot of money do when they act in their own self-interest.

364 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:46:58am

-331

365 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:48:28am

re: #364 Killgore Trout

-331

Oh. My. God. This is bad.

366 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:00am

-348.03

367 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:13am

re: #365 Gus 802

Oh. My. God. This is bad.

Now -351
Not good at all.

368 iossarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:15am

Bubba Smith passes away:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

"Or we could rip out the front seats and sit in the back."

369 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:19am

This keeps up they're going to have to apply the "brakes".

370 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:55am

re: #364 Killgore Trout

-331

What are the numbers where they suspend trading for a short time? Do by # or by %?

371 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:59am

re: #365 Gus 802

Oh. My. God. This is bad.

Youtube Video
372 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:50:10am

-369

373 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:50:53am

When does that kick in? -10%?

374 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:51:34am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

Now -351
Not good at all.

I feel like Bugs Bunny with that Gremlin in that plane heading towards the ground.

375 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:51:52am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

When does that kick in? -10%?

Lawhawk would know.

376 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:52:02am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Morning all!

377 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:53:01am

I don't think it takes a whole lot to figure out why the markets are spooked:

Report: announced job cuts spike 60%
[Link: economy.ocregister.com...]

JPMorgan Cuts Third-Quarter US Growth Forecast
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

U.S. eats up most of debt limit in one day
$239 billion spike uses up 60% of funding OK’d on Tuesday
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Toss in Lawhawks points about both europe and the housing market both sucking and it seems fairly obvious to me why there is a sell-off.

379 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:54:34am

re: #377 RogueOne

I don't think it takes a whole lot to figure out why the markets are spooked:

Report: announced job cuts spike 60%
[Link: economy.ocregister.com...]

JPMorgan Cuts Third-Quarter US Growth Forecast
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

U.S. eats up most of debt limit in one day
$239 billion spike uses up 60% of funding OK’d on Tuesday
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Toss in Lawhawks points about both europe and the housing market both sucking and it seems fairly obvious to me why there is a sell-off.

Translation: all of the above.

The patient has multiple symptoms and ailments.

380 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:55:52am

re: #356 Gus 802

The surplus depends on where you live. So much of it was built on speculation and flipping that it sits in places that have no need for such development now. Yet, places where there are a strong need are having trouble meeting demand (and which is supporting a level of pricing close to the peak). NYC metro area, which is largely built out and lacks additional land for new major development, has rezoned and opened up some areas for new development, but the process is dragged out by the lack of credit financing.

381 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:55:56am

re: #379 Gus 802

Translation: all of the above.

The patient has multiple symptoms and ailments.

ARe you sure the patient isn't a hypochondriac? or suffering from Munchhausen's?

382 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:57:09am

re: #364 Killgore Trout

-331

How's that -158 looking now?

I wish I could have been wrong...

383 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:57:30am

POTUS is 50 today.

Happy Birthday Mr. President.

384 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:57:51am

re: #378 Varek Raith

The provision would overturn a National Mediation Board rule approved last year that allows airline and railroad employees to form a union by a simple majority of those voting. Under the old rule, workers who didn’t vote were treated as “no” votes.

Strange. Not voting treated as a no vote? That doesn't make sense to me. If you don't vote in this instance that's a "yes" vote. One man. One vote.

385 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:58:03am

re: #381 ggt

ARe you sure the patient isn't a hypochondriac? or suffering from Munchhausen's?

Watching to much HOUSE I see.

386 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:58:59am

re: #375 Gus 802

NYSE/Euronext circuit breakers for 2Q2011: it requires a 10% drop (1200 points) to see any kind of a halt or pause during the trading day. There are 20% and 30% breakers too.

Similarly, the Nasdaq has 10%/20%/30% breakers

387 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:59:44am

re: #384 Gus 802

Strange. Not voting treated as a no vote? That doesn't make sense to me. If you don't vote in this instance that's a "yes" vote. One man. One vote.

Can you imagine if all votes were like that?

388 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:59:53am

re: #383 ggt

POTUS is 50 today.

Happy Birthday Mr. President.

I'm thinking he wished this day was going a bit different for him and the markets...

389 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:00:33am

BRB

390 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:01:11am

Damn allergies.

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:01:16am

re: #388 Ericus58

I'm thinking he wished this day was going a bit different for him and the markets...

Yeah, I have a feeling the FU Letter I sent to my mother's investment person isn't going to be on top of the pile this morning. . . .

392 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:01:41am

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

Both sides have put forth their own versions of the FAA enabling language, but neither side is willing to concede to a clean version that strips out any of the language referring to the unions or the air access provisos, and neither side has allowed a clean bill to come up.

Instead, the FAA loses $25 million a day in lost tax revenues it would otherwise be collecting to fund its operations.

It's ridiculous.

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:01:43am

re: #390 Varek Raith

Damn allergies.

I feel your itch.

394 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:02:14am

re: #392 lawhawk

Both sides have put forth their own versions of the FAA enabling language, but neither side is willing to concede to a clean version that strips out any of the language referring to the unions or the air access provisos, and neither side has allowed a clean bill to come up.

Instead, the FAA loses $25 million a day in lost tax revenues it would otherwise be collecting to fund its operations.

It's ridiculous.

4 days a billion?

395 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:02:21am

re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watching to much HOUSE I see.

One thing for sure, it's not lupus.

396 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:02:34am

re: #394 ggt

4 days a billion?

40 days a billion. Ah, decimal points.

397 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:02:38am

re: #384 Gus 802

Strange. Not voting treated as a no vote? That doesn't make sense to me. If you don't vote in this instance that's a "yes" vote. One man. One vote.

The simple guy that I am would think that someone not casting a vote would equal 0 vote - it doesn't get counted as either a "yes" or a "no".
Only those votes actually cast would be counted.

398 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:03:21am

re: #395 negativ

One thing for sure, it's not lupus.

Just kill me, Jerry.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:03:28am

re: #396 thedopefishlives

40 days a billion. Ah, decimal points.

my brain on allergies?

400 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:03:44am

re: #392 lawhawk

Both sides have put forth their own versions of the FAA enabling language, but neither side is willing to concede to a clean version that strips out any of the language referring to the unions or the air access provisos, and neither side has allowed a clean bill to come up.

Instead, the FAA loses $25 million a day in lost tax revenues it would otherwise be collecting to fund its operations.

It's ridiculous.

The two parties would rather piss on each other in order to play to their respective constituencies.

401 lizardofid  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:07:04am

re: #397 Ericus58

The simple guy that I am would think that someone not casting a vote would equal 0 vote - it doesn't get counted as either a "yes" or a "no".
Only those votes actually cast would be counted.

Way too much common sense.

402 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:07:11am

re: #397 Ericus58

The simple guy that I am would think that someone not casting a vote would equal 0 vote - it doesn't get counted as either a "yes" or a "no".
Only those votes actually cast would be counted.

That was the new rule. The airlines hate it, though, because it hands the advantage to the unions, since those who are pro-union tend to be the ones most committed to voting and it reduces the number of votes the union needs to get.

The airlines and GOP do have a legit case. The old rule had been in place for a long time, and with the airlines still losing money, I can't imagine its a good idea to increase their labor costs.

403 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:07:14am

re: #400 Dark_Falcon

The two parties would rather piss on each other in order to play to their respective constituencies.

Give em paintball guns and let them at it.
Put it on PPV.
Debt solved.

404 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:08:25am

re: #403 Varek Raith

Give em paintball guns and let them at it.
Put it on PPV.
Debt solved.

let them fight it out in a pig sty.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:08:47am

re: #404 ggt

let them fight it out in a pig sty.

pigsty

one word, my bad

406 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:08:51am

re: #403 Varek Raith

Give em paintball guns and let them at it.
Put it on PPV.
Debt solved.

The Dems would lose, badly. Crazy though he is, I'd favor Alan West in a gunfight over Steny Hoyer.

407 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:11:03am

re: #397 Ericus58

The simple guy that I am would think that someone not casting a vote would equal 0 vote - it doesn't get counted as either a "yes" or a "no".
Only those votes actually cast would be counted.

Exactly. If you don't vote it's your loss. Imagine applying this to regular voting? So candidate "A" gets 40,000 votes in State "X" yet candidate "B" gets 0 votes. However, there are 400,000 eligible voters in State "X". Therefore since 400,000 - 40,000 = 360,000 candidate "B" wins! Weird.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:11:25am

re: #406 Dark_Falcon

The Dems would lose, badly. Crazy though he is, I'd favor Alan West in a gunfight over Steny Hoyer.

Yea, and someone would try to ban the gun West uses because it looks "menacing".

409 blueraven  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:11:28am

re: #362 RogueOne

FTFY! The fight is over a change to the voting regs. Repubs say it should stay as it is and dems say it should be changed.

Yes, the republicans want to count a non-vote as a no vote. Do you think that's fair? The NMB has already changed the regulation to only count actual votes.

At issue is a method of voting for union members. In the past, in union votes, all members were counted as having voted, even if they didn’t vote. A non-vote was counted as a “no.” Under the new regulations passed by the National Mediation Board, only actual votes count. The Republicans don’t like that, so they are using a totally unrelated issue to stall funding for the Federal Aviation Administration.

The public issue is subsidies for small airports. The Republicans claim the small airports are a drain on our over-extended budget. But without the appropriation for the FAA, the Federal government is not getting the $30 million a day in airline ticket taxes. The 16 airports in question receive a total of $14 million in subsidies yearly, and the ones targeted for closure are primarily in Democratic districts. That allowed Rep. John Mica, Republican of Florida, to claim that the FAA appropriation is being held up to protect Democratic pork.

[Link: lezgetreal.com...]

30 million a day tax revenue loss, vs 14 million a year in subsidies plus a loss of 74,000 jobs. Hmmm...what is the right thing to do here?

410 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:11:33am

re: #404 ggt

let them fight it out in a pig sty.

Congressional Mud Wrestling.

411 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:11:48am

re: #406 Dark_Falcon

The Dems would lose, badly. Crazy though he is, I'd favor Alan West in a gunfight over Steny Hoyer.

Especially if Hoyer were tied down in an interrogation chair.

412 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:14:23am

The Games Congress Plays.

In their Ivory Towers

Never meaning what they say
Never saying what they mean

413 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:17:32am

bbiab...

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:18:01am

Hey Congress!

415 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:18:08am

re: #384 Gus 802

Strange. Not voting treated as a no vote? That doesn't make sense to me. If you don't vote in this instance that's a "yes" vote. One man. One vote.

The elections for airlines and unions is different than other companies. Instead of unionizing one location, railroads and airlines have to be unionized throughout their territory. Last year they changed the way the rules had worked for 75 years and the repubs aren't happy about it.

416 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:18:16am

re: #407 Gus 802

Not exactly - since the lack of a vote is not an affirmation.

The similarity would be in terms of referendum and ballot measures, not the election of candidates in office.

Say you want a proposition to increase property taxes to build a new ballpark (see Long Island's attempt to build a new arena for the Islanders). You get 10% turnout, and it passes (in reality, it lost even with the 10% turnout). However, under the union rule, it would lose because all those nonvotes became no votes.

417 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:18:19am

re: #411 Decatur Deb

Especially if Hoyer were tied down in an interrogation chair.

Well, I said West was nutty, but nobody has ever said he wasn't good in a fight.

418 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:19:33am

re: #417 Dark_Falcon

Well, I said West was nutty, but nobody has ever said he wasn't good in a fight.

Army didn't think he was a 'keeper'.

419 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:20:41am

re: #418 Decatur Deb

Army didn't think he was a 'keeper'.

Sometimes, old soldiers need to be retired.

They do not, necessarily, need to become politicians.

420 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:21:09am

re: #415 RogueOne

The elections for airlines and unions railroads ......

doh

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:21:46am

re: #410 ggt

Congressional Mud Wrestling.

About a million years ago... well, okay; the 70's. There was a TV commercial where two old men took off their jackets and ties and fought it out man to man in a field. Just beating each other up.

The message was, "Wouldn't it be nice if the leaders had to settle differences between countries like this?"

I've hunted for that commercial on the interweaves but can't find it.

422 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:22:53am

re: #415 RogueOne

The elections for airlines and unions is different than other companies. Instead of unionizing one location, railroads and airlines have to be unionized throughout their territory. Last year they changed the way the rules had worked for 75 years and the repubs aren't happy about it.

The controlling law is the Railway Labor Act, not the National Labor Relations Act. FDR (correctly) expanded its jurisdiction to cover airlines. The reason is that unlike steelworkers, for example, a airline pilot or flight attendant goes from place to place within a airline's are of operations. Thus, a single set of rules is needed for each class of employee in order to allow the airline to function and the rules unionization reflect that.

Just some background on what RougeOne said.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:23:33am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody remember that? Anybody old like me?

424 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:24:08am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

About a million years ago... well, okay; the 70's. There was a TV commercial where two old men took off their jackets and ties and fought it out man to man in a field. Just beating each other up.

The message was, "Wouldn't it be nice if the leaders had to settle differences between countries like this?"

I've hunted for that commercial on the interweaves but can't find it.

I don't remember it, but I like the idea.

If it is done in a pigsty. Sumo Style.

425 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:24:37am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody remember that? Anybody old like me?

No, and yes.

426 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:25:07am

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

The controlling law is the Railway Labor Act, not the National Labor Relations Act. FDR (correctly) expanded its jurisdiction to cover airlines. The reason is that unlike steelworkers, for example, a airline pilot or flight attendant goes from place to place within a airline's are of operations. Thus, a single set of rules is needed for each class of employee in order to allow the airline to function and the rules unionization reflect that.

Just some background on what RougeOne said.

Ah, me sees.

Airlines are GLOBAL. You see, this is just slippery slope regulation that will ultimately lead us to ONE WORLD GUBERNIT!

/

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:25:44am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't I wish the lizards were old like me?
Don't I wish the lizards were worn like me?
Don't I?
Don't I?

428 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:26:25am

re: #416 lawhawk

Not exactly - since the lack of a vote is not an affirmation.

The similarity would be in terms of referendum and ballot measures, not the election of candidates in office.

Say you want a proposition to increase property taxes to build a new ballpark (see Long Island's attempt to build a new arena for the Islanders). You get 10% turnout, and it passes (in reality, it lost even with the 10% turnout). However, under the union rule, it would lose because all those nonvotes became no votes.

In any event. A yes vote is a yes vote and a no vote is a no vote. Not voting is neither. Never should be in any situation.

429 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:27:37am

LaHood exhorts lawmakers to pass FAA extension

Washington (CNN) -- Mark DePlasco, one of the many furloughed Federal Aviation Administration employees, is financially devastated by the lack of a paycheck and is desperately trying to juggle his bills.

His predicament has prompted Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood to prod vacationing American lawmakers to interrupt their breaks, get back to work and pass a temporary funding measure that would put thousands of FAA and airport construction workers back on the job.

The Democratic-led Senate went on summer recess Tuesday without approving what would have been the 21st short-term funding extension for the FAA. The Republican-led House previously passed a short-term extension but included some changes opposed by Democrats.

On Thursday, LaHood scolded lawmakers to return and pass the extension. He says failure to do so effectively lays off 4,000 FAA employees and 70,000 construction workers, among others.

"They talk a lot about jobs. They give good speeches about it. I want them to walk the walk," said LaHood, a former Republican House member from Illinois. "Put hard-working Americans to work so they can get a paycheck just like Congress is receiving on their vacations."

The FAA has been partially shut down for more than a week. LaHood said "safety is not compromised" and "never will be compromised."

"Thousands of people are boarding planes. They will arrive safely today because our people are on their jobs doing the jobs that they know how to do, which is making sure that flying is safe."

Shout out here to Sec. LaHood, a fellow Illinois Republican.

430 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:28:13am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't I wish the lizards were old like me?
Don't I wish the lizards were worn like me?
Don't I?
Don't I?

Can you sing that wearing eyeliner and wearing leather pants?

//

431 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:28:21am

We've crossed over 100 degrees. I've been hopping in and out, trying to get yard work done. Was planning to mow the grass, but I'll watch the Dow to see if I should wait for a better price on the commodities markets.

432 AK-47%  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:28:34am

re: #416 lawhawk

Not exactly - since the lack of a vote is not an affirmation.

The similarity would be in terms of referendum and ballot measures, not the election of candidates in office.

Say you want a proposition to increase property taxes to build a new ballpark (see Long Island's attempt to build a new arena for the Islanders). You get 10% turnout, and it passes (in reality, it lost even with the 10% turnout). However, under the union rule, it would lose because all those nonvotes became no votes.

I like that idea for general elections: not voting counts as a vote for the incumbent (or the incuimbent's party candidate or chosen successor) - after all if you are pleased with the incumbent's performance, why should you not jut stay home and enjoy the benefits of the prosperity said candidate has brought to your city/county/state/nation?

433 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:29:00am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't I wish the lizards were old like me?
Don't I wish the lizards were worn like me?
Don't I?
Don't I?

Nice try, but Nicole Scherzinger you ain't.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:29:33am

re: #430 Gus 802

Can you sing that wearing eyeliner and wearing leather pants?

//

Well, I'm old. Those aren't my pants. Not wearing any.

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:30:45am

re: #430 Gus 802

Can you sing that wearing eyeliner and wearing leather pants?

//

lizard-skin pants

his own . . .

436 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:31:19am

re: #426 ggt

Ah, me sees.

Airlines are GLOBAL. You see, this is just slippery slope regulation that will ultimately lead us to ONE WORLD GUBERNIT!

/

Not this time, thank God. Actually, its the pro-business wing of the Republican party that's leading on this issue. The Tea Party wing stands with them, but isn't a driving force. It's business concerns, not "Outrageous Outrages!!1" that are driving GOP actions.

437 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:31:56am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody remember that? Anybody old like me?

Yes, and yes. And I can't find it on a brief search either.

438 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:32:05am

re: #432 ralphieboy

I like that idea for general elections: not voting counts as a vote for the incumbent (or the incuimbent's party candidate or chosen successor) - after all if you are pleased with the incumbent's performance, why should you not jut stay home and enjoy the benefits of the prosperity said candidate has brought to your city/county/state/nation?

Yeah. That would be great.

//

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:32:09am

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

Nice try, but Nicole Scherzinger you ain't.

would it be ok if she played Spiderman?

440 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:33:47am

re: #431 Decatur Deb

We've crossed over 100 degrees. I've been hopping in and out, trying to get yard work done. Was planning to mow the grass, but I'll watch the Dow to see if I should wait for a better price on the commodities markets.

7 inches from the midday sun?

441 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:35:14am

re: #439 ggt

would it be ok if she played Spiderman?

If by 'she' you mean Scherzinger, no. Spiderman is a male character. Doesn't mean they can't invent a role for her as a hero, but she can't actually be Spiderman.

442 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:35:16am

re: #440 ggt

Black Hole Sun?

Youtube Video
443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:36:20am

re: #439 ggt

would it be ok if she played Spiderman?

...in bed...

444 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:36:28am

re: #440 ggt

7 inches from the midday sun?

Great song. Rob Thomas had just the right voice for the song, and Carlos Santana's guitar work was nothing short of amazing.

445 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:37:20am

re: #444 Dark_Falcon

Great song. Rob Thomas had just the right voice for the song, and Carlos Santana's guitar work was nothing short of amazing.

I remember the first time I linked this song, I got blasted because Carlos Santana had been seen wearing a Che shirt.--or something.

446 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:38:19am

re: #445 ggt

I remember the first time I linked this song, I got blasted because Carlos Santana had been seen wearing a Che shirt.--or something.

'S OK--Che probably wore a Santana t-shirt.

447 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:38:32am

re: #439 ggt

would it be ok if she played Spiderman?

Glenn Beck would be OK with that as long as she's white.

//

Uh oh. Wait. Her father is Filipino so she might be what Geller and Stormfront would call "of mixed blood."

448 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:39:03am

re: #445 ggt

I remember the first time I linked this song, I got blasted because Carlos Santana had been seen wearing a Che shirt.--or something.

Meh. He's a musician, and thus gets so slack on that from me (though I do think he's a fool to praise Che like that. Might as well wear a Reinhardt Heydrich t-shirt, with Che's record.

449 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:39:09am

re: #447 Gus 802

Glenn Beck would be OK with that as long as she's white.

//

Uh oh. Wait. Her father is Filipino so she might be what Geller and Stormfront would call "of mixed blood."

NO, I think he would be OK with it because she is young, sexy and female.

450 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:39:42am

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

Che's still dead, right?

451 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:39:53am

I've got to go to the doctor.

BBL

452 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:40:34am

re: #450 darthstar

Che's still dead, right?

Only the old, nasty physical Che.

453 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:27am

re: #452 Decatur Deb

Only the old, nasty physical Che.

Che shirts are just heritage.
Just like a Confederate flag.
///

454 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:30am

re: #449 ggt

NO, I think he would be OK with it because she is young, sexy and female.

Damn it. You've ruined my narrative.

//

455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:53am

re: #453 Varek Raith

Nice.

456 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:42:33am

re: #453 Varek Raith

Che shirts are just heritage.
Just like a Confederate flag.
///

Ouch! High 5!

457 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:46:26am

re: #450 darthstar

Che's still dead, right?

He's not dead, he just went home.

458 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:48:16am

First They Came for the Light Bulbs

When she arrived in St. Paul as a state senator, Bachmann brought those views with her. In a committee hearing in 2003 to discuss a clean energy bill, Bachmann broached the subject of Agenda 21. The term "sustainability" can have radical connotations, she warned, in the "brave new world of energy conservation," and voted for an amendment to remove the language.

As Bachmann explained to a perplexed chamber, sustainability, as defined by UN agreements like Agenda 21 and the UN Biodiversity treaty, would mean an end to resource extraction as we know it. "Last year in one of our committees, we had a guy come in and talk about the sustainable way of life," she said. "And he gave the definition of sustainable and it struck me as kind of odd. He said that what sustainable means is that we've already taken everything out of the earth that we're going to take out."

And then Bachmann brought up a now familiar topic. "We already have all of the light bulbs that we need to have in the earth," she recalled the expert saying. "We don't need to make any more light bulbs. And so I'm thinking, 'You mean for all time? And that's part of sustainability, is for all time we already have the light bulbs that we need and apparently we'll change filaments as they go out.'"

I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

459 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:49:24am

ahahaha

There are so many "personalities" to whom this could apply

460 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:50:06am

re: #458 negativ

Your profile pic is upding worthy.

That is all.

461 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:50:14am

Now the question is would a combo Che/Confederate Flag t-shirt sell.

Maybe for neo-Confederate-Bolivarians?

//

462 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:50:15am

re: #458 negativ

First They Came for the Light Bulbs

I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

Well, with the End Times right around the corner, do we really need to stock up on light bulbs?

463 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:50:25am

re: #458 negativ

You can almost hear the circuit breakers popping in her brain.

464 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:51:38am

re: #460 JasonA

Your profile pic is upding worthy.

That is all.

I didn't know that Patrick Stewart played guitar.

//

465 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:52:05am

re: #458 negativ

First They Came for the Light Bulbs

I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

Image: oh-hai-i-upgraded-ur-banazaz.jpg

466 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:52:09am

re: #458 negativ

First They Came for the Light Bulbs

I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

"We already have all of the light bulbs that we need to have in the earth," she recalled the expert saying. "We don't need to make any more light bulbs. And so I'm thinking, 'You mean for all time? "

Not sure about light bulbs, but I'm convinced we have all the clever coffee mugs we will ever need.

467 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:52:42am

re: #465 Varek Raith

Ah, bugger. Link won't work.

468 blueraven  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:55:22am

re: #458 negativ

First They Came for the Light Bulbs

I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

That's some funny stuff right there. Also, too...scary!

469 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:55:29am

re: #466 Decatur Deb

"We already have all of the light bulbs that we need to have in the earth," she recalled the expert saying. "We don't need to make any more light bulbs. And so I'm thinking, 'You mean for all time? "

Not sure about light bulbs, but I'm convinced we have all the clever coffee mugs we will ever need.

Ironically, a number 2 dad would be the rarest creature on earth...

470 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:55:39am

re: #458 negativ

First They Came for the Light Bulbs

I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

Image: meh.ro6709.jpg

471 AK-47%  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:57:38am

re: #458 negativ

First They Came for the Light Bulbs


I bet she wears contacts to conceal the spinning spirals that are her True Eyes.

How many Michelle Bachamanns does it take to change every lighbulb in the world?

472 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:58:03am

re: #463 thedopefishlives

You can almost hear the circuit breakers popping in her brain.

Ciruit breakers? Her brain is wired like the old Telephone Company --remember the operators had to wear roller skates?

473 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:59:00am

re: #466 Decatur Deb

"We already have all of the light bulbs that we need to have in the earth," she recalled the expert saying. "We don't need to make any more light bulbs. And so I'm thinking, 'You mean for all time? "

Not sure about light bulbs, but I'm convinced we have all the clever coffee mugs we will ever need.

"Light bulbs" are no longer manufactured in the USA. All gone. Bye, bye. Never to be seen again. If she wants those "back" then she's going to have to find a Chinese manufacturer. Heck you can still buy those anyway and the conversion is going at a snails pace. And as far as coal mining or other mining is concerned when was the last time we saw "experts" like she mentions getting their way? Even coal state Democrats go to bat for their state mining interests. Not saying that's bad because I'm probably burning coal to type this. Just pure hysteria from the hysterical.

474 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:00:38am

re: #472 ggt

Ciruit breakers? Her brain is wired like the old Telephone Company --remember the operators had to wear roller skates?

Get Lily Tomlin on the phone...

//

475 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:00:43am

re: #472 ggt

Ciruit breakers? Her brain is wired like the old Telephone Company --remember the operators had to wear roller skates?

So did the young library assistants who retrieved customers' books from call slips vacuum-tubed into the NY Public Library underground stacks.

476 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:00:51am

choots spa

477 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:01:49am

For the youngsters... //

Image: lily_tomlin_laughin.jpg

478 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:02:13am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

So did the young library assistants who retrieved customers' books from call slips vacuum-tubed into the NY Public Library underground stacks.

vacuum tubes --yes, that would be the best way to describe her brain.

479 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:03:50am

re: #478 ggt

vacuum tubes --yes, that would be the best way to describe her brain.

with gnomes on rollerskates working the little paper slips.

Changing the wording to MichelleSpeak --like in 1984

480 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:04:51am

re: #478 ggt

vacuum tubes --yes, that would be the best way to describe her brain.

That's pretty advanced technology. Now I'm thinking a whole Warner Brothers animation team. Hard at work inside Bachmann's brain. Maybe something from ACME?

//

481 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:05:50am

re: #480 Gus 802

That's pretty advanced technology. Now I'm thinking a whole Warner Brothers animation team. Hard at work inside Bachmann's brain. Maybe something from ACME?

//

What have you got against Bugs and his crew?

I'd never put them in Michelle's Brain.

It's Commie Gnomes!

482 allegro  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:06:22am

re: #481 ggt

What have you got against Bugs and his crew?

I'd never put them in Michelle's Brain.

It's Commie Gnomes!

Oompa Loopahs

483 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:06:51am

re: #481 ggt

What have you got against Bugs and his crew?

I'd never put them in Michelle's Brain.

It's Commie Gnomes!

Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies! The ACME Corporation!

What's wrong with America today!? GREMLINS!

//

484 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:06:54am

re: #482 allegro

Oompa Loopahs

on LSD!

Yes, we've figured it out!

485 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:07:49am

re: #478 ggt

vacuum tubes --yes, that would be the best way to describe her brain.

Heh. I meant to say 'pneumatic tubes'. This citation says they they don't skate now, but I remember articles on it in the 60s. There are 132 miles of shelves in the library, so it makes sense.

[Link: www.inetours.com...]

486 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:07:55am

re: #470 Varek Raith

Image: meh.ro6709.jpg

Image: Wiley-Coyote-Dazed.jpg

See what I mean? :)

487 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:08:23am

chutzpah goes in, choot-spa comes out.

We CAN explain it.

488 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:10:13am

re: #486 Gus 802

Image: Wiley-Coyote-Dazed.jpg

See what I mean? :)

"She had Wiley Coyote eyes"

[Link: www.google.com...]

489 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:10:25am

Although. She's also kind of like Foghorn Leghorn too.

490 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:11:24am

re: #489 Gus 802

Although. She's also kind of like Foghorn Leghorn too.

What, I say, what are you gibberin about?

491 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:12:04am

Leave Michael Jackson Joan of Bachmann alone!!11ty

492 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:12:12am

re: #490 Varek Raith

What, I say, what are you gibberin about?

"The Flower of Minnesota Poultryhood"

493 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:12:38am

I'm still working the modern Willy Wonka angle.

I see her more like this.

And there are just way, to many ways to work the Willy Wonka wording to apply to her.

494 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:13:01am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

"The Flower of Minnesota Poultryhood"

devil weed

495 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:13:21am

Lunch--BBL

496 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:14:21am

Saint of Waterloo

497 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:14:40am

re: #496 Gus 802

Saint of Waterloo

succubi of waterloo

498 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:15:48am

OK. Get out your hurl buckets!

Image: daughter-of-liberty.jpg

499 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:16:24am

Obama turns 50 over Republican opposition

The Onion edges closer to real news every day.

500 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:16:33am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

"The Flower of Minnesota Poultryhood"

That girl's about as sharp as a bowling ball.

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:16:46am

re: #498 Gus 802

OK. Get out your hurl buckets!

Image: daughter-of-liberty.jpg

Image: barfbag.jpg

502 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:18:12am

Puppy is napping. I think I should try to get a hour or more of last night's sleep in.

Have a great afternoon all!

503 allegro  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:19:08am

re: #498 Gus 802

OK. Get out your hurl buckets!

Image: daughter-of-liberty.jpg

That is so many degrees of wrong.

504 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:19:43am

The Minnesota Moron.

505 AK-47%  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:19:58am

re: #498 Gus 802

OK. Get out your hurl buckets!

Image: daughter-of-liberty.jpg

If she wins in Iowa and can start profiling herself as the party's "front runner", nobody in the GOP is going to want to risk criticizing her. Remember what happened to Karl Rove when he dared call Christine O'Donnel's qualifications into question...

506 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:24:50am

News Corp affiliate flying a drone in the United States

507 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:25:21am

re: #505 ralphieboy

If she wins in Iowa and can start profiling herself as the party's "front runner", nobody in the GOP is going to want to risk criticizing her. Remember what happened to Karl Rove when he dared call Christine O'Donnel's qualifications into question...

If she gets the nomination it will be a bigger rout than Nixon/McGovern

508 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:25:49am

Alex Jones warns of "orgy of mass murder"

In a later segment on August 2 Jones responds to a caller suggesting he was scared to death about what the future holds for his children telling him: "We're just approaching the event horizon of the orgy of mass murder and death." Growing increasingly agitated, Jones started screaming about how the government has "robot helicopters with airborne Ebola and nerve gas waiting in spray quadrants to kill everybody. That's who runs America. OK? Total psychopathic, 110-percent mack daddy murderers!"

510 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:28:52am

re: #508 negativ

Alex Jones warns of "orgy of mass murder"

In a later segment on August 2 Jones responds to a caller suggesting he was scared to death about what the future holds for his children telling him: "We're just approaching the event horizon of the orgy of mass murder and death." Growing increasingly agitated, Jones started screaming about how the government has "robot helicopters with airborne Ebola and nerve gas waiting in spray quadrants to kill everybody. That's who runs America. OK? Total psychopathic, 110-percent mack daddy murderers!"

Wow.
Not only that, but Ebola make a terrible bioweapon. It has no cure, and his almost always fatal.

511 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:33:02am

"They want Americans to take transit and move to the inner cities. They want Americans to move to the urban core, live in tenements, [and] take light rail to their government jobs. That's their vision for America."

arguing with wingnuts:

1. no, that's NOT what i believe
2. please don't try to make an argument that i believe what i don't believe
3. but that isn't what happened!
4. no, the industrial revolution is not "revisionist history"
5, no, that's not what i want and that's not what i believe
6. please don't make an argument that i really do believe that

512 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:34:59am

Christopher Walken reads The Three Little Pigs

Youtube Video
513 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:37:01am

re: #508 negativ

He must be referring to this Event Horizon, because that's just flat out insane and I'm not seeing and sarc tags:

Youtube Video

Well, they do have one thing in common; they're both a horror show (Jones and the movie).

514 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:41:26am

Oh crap. Someone's driving me crazy here.

515 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:43:07am

Oh boy. "Only radical conspiracy theorists talk about poverty." God help me.


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