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The moral is that it is probably better not to sin at all, but if
some kind of sin you must be pursuing,
Well, remember to do it by doing rather than by not doing.
— Ogden Nash
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:27:55pm |
Hello, late night lizards!
How are you all?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:29:22pm |
The Late-Night thread is my signal to go to bed.
weet dreams all!
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:30:34pm |
Evening folks! Hope everyone is well.....
Wish there was something more I could send to the Iranian protesters, but prayers and well wishes will have to do
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:31:16pm |
re: #2 laZardo
Would rather be an honest sinner than a dishonest saint.
Dishonest saint is a contradiction in terms, wouldn't you say?
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Silvergirl Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:32:43pm |
re: #3 Floral Giraffe
Hello, late night lizards!
How are you all?
Just wondering if Killgore took my admonition to get to bed. Either that or he's off to watch Late Night with David Letterman to show his solidarity.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:33:14pm |
re: #2 laZardo
Would rather be an honest sinner than a dishonest saint.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints/the sinners are much more fun
/obligatory Billy Joel ref
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:33:26pm |
Well wintson is back at it again. The guy is a machine. I just might have to hit his coffee fund.
Winston80Just In: Iran's Khamenei announced he'll lead the next Tehran Friday prayer. #iranelection @cnn @jimsciuttoABC
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:33:36pm |
Sort of a "Better to regret something you have done, then to regret something you haven't done" kinda thing.
/by the way, if you see your mom this weekend, would you be sure and tell her SATAN!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:33:50pm |
re: #10 Silvergirl
Just wondering if Killgore took my admonition to get to bed. Either that or he's off to watch Late Night with David Letterman to show his solidarity.
Fuck Letterman, I'm watching Conan. Can't wait to go to the taping tomorrow!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:35:21pm |
re: #15 wiffersnapper
I'm jealous.
I'm so thrilled. By the luck of the draw...Larry David is going to be on.
Larry David is my freakin' hero.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:35:57pm |
Oh, and here's winston's blog. Yes he did get some sleep. :)
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:36:26pm |
I am grooving the Bach played by Joshua Bell, posted on the previous thread by Racer X.
(And I'm NOT a violin fan....)
It's touching my soul.
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wiffersnapper Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:36:38pm |
re: #16 TheMatrix31
Show tapings are loads of fun. I went to a That '70s Show taping back in 2006 (Season 8, Long Away), and it was one of the most hilarious nights I've ever had. You'll enjoy Conan!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:36:45pm |
re: #11 iceweasel
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints/the sinners are much more fun
/obligatory Billy Joel ref
Only the Good Die Young. One of my favorite early Billy Joel songs. It came out in 1977, the year I was born in.
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spidly Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:37:23pm |
Restated by the Butthole Surfers
Daddy?Yes, son.
What does regret mean?
Well son, the funny thing about regret is that it's better to regret something you have done than to Regret something that you haven't done. And by the way, If you see your mom this weekend, will you be sure and tell her... SATAN SATAN SATAN!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:37:49pm |
re: #19 wiffersnapper
Show tapings are loads of fun. I went to a That '70s Show taping back in 2006 (Season 8, Long Away), and it was one of the most hilarious nights I've ever had. You'll enjoy Conan!
Went to Leno a couple of years ago, but I LOVE Conan. Shouldn't even be a comparison.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:38:03pm |
I hate this end of the Overnight Open Thread (nothing personal). Can mean only one thing. Insomnia.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:38:35pm |
gonna try the sleep thing again.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:38:37pm |
Aaaaargh!
BBC went from Iran coverage to BH0's Healthcare campaigning.....I had to kill it as soon as I heard his voice, so I'm not even sure if they monetioned how he was booed by the AMA this afternoon.
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wiffersnapper Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:39:22pm |
re: #22 TheMatrix31
I'm hoping I'll make it to a Leno taping sometime down the line. His new show should still be good.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:39:24pm |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tune in to the Joshua Bell Bach, it might help.
It's beautiful....
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:40:37pm |
Oh? Winston gets a shoutout from Hugh Hewitt? Not bad...
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:42:01pm |
Curiouser and curiouser, rumours are flying thick and furious:
kudcia RT @persiankiwi rumour spreading Tehran - Army Generals have met in secret - Army considering position #Iranelection
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:42:31pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
Only the Good Die Young. One of my favorite early Billy Joel songs. It came out in 1977, the year I was born in.
Here you go!
I think it's a rule that every girl who goes to Catholic school has to like this song, regardless of how long ago it came out.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:43:37pm |
re: #21 spidly
Never been a big fan myself, but I always thought that "Hairway to Steven" was a hilarious title for an album.
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The Left Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:44:12pm |
re: #25 Fenway_Nation
Dunno if the BBC mentioned it, but people have been writing about it, if memeorandum is any guide...
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Silvergirl Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:46:51pm |
Must seek sleep.
An eventful day. Prayers for the street fighters of Iran!
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I Need A Bigger Gun Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:48:09pm |
Saw Steely Dan tonight. Donald Fagen is STILL the man. Here's a partial playlist (not in order of performance):
Bodhisattva
Show Biz Kids
My Old School (as usual, the final song of the show)
Black Friday
Bad Sneakers
Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
Green Earrings
Aja
Peg
Home At Last
Josie
Hey Nineteen
Time Out Of Mind
Third World Man
Two Against Nature
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:49:45pm |
re: #33 Silvergirl
Sail on silvergirl
Sail on by.
Your time has come to shine.
All your dreams are on their way.
See how they shine.
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John N. Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:50:17pm |
Hmmm,
better to regret what was done than what was not done?
I can see that for simple regret about having lived one's life a certain way or not, such as not minding failures borne of taking a chance versus a safe and non-productive passage through this mortal coil. But for sinful, vicious, or evil actions it doesn't necessarily work out.
A much more interesting question is whether you would hold the same position if the action were reprehensible in the extreme. Would you say "it is better I be condemned for beating and raping that woman (or young boy--lest I be sexist), than for standing by and letting other beat and rape"
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:50:45pm |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hate this end of the Overnight Open Thread (nothing personal). Can mean only one thing. Insomnia.
It could also mean drunkenness. Just sayin'.
/and in my case, pantsless drunkenness.
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:53:25pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
It could also mean drunkenness. Just sayin'.
/and in my case, pantsless drunkenness.
And me with no dollars to throw....just my luck = )
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:53:36pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
It could also mean drunkenness. Just sayin'.
/and in my case, pantsless drunkenness.
I can not bring myself to visualize that.
But, thank you for sharing?
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:54:06pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:54:19pm |
Well, Dave just spent the last several minutes issuing his "Big Fat Late Nite Apology".
I really did not pay much attention, though. Not into pandering, political Soap Opera.
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brucee Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:55:08pm |
This is a clip of Makhmalbaf in Paris (in Farsi). He's sort of Mousavi's foreign representative.
Gist of it is he says he has contacted Sarkozi through intermediaries and convinced French government to delay recognition of Ahmadimonkey.
He also says he and others are going to talk to European parliament and ask not to recognize the coup government.
He says Iranians in around the world should also start negotiations with their respective countries.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:56:10pm |
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:58:23pm |
Hmmmmmm. University of Tehran massacare claims. Don't know what to say, the author is Robert Fisk.
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:58:35pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:59:12pm |
re: #39 BatGuano
re: #40 srb1976
re: #41 Floral Giraffe
re: #42 BlueCanuck
Bah! Fie upon thee all. You're all just a willing part of the oppressive Pantocracy! I WILL NOT SUBMIT!
You will all just have to watch my "Freak Flag" fly as I run down the street.
/unless it's really cold out, in which case you'll just have to watch it slightly wiggle
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gmsc Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:00:01am |
Today in History, June 16th:
Click here for History Channel's "This Day in History" video about June 16th.
Highlights of this day in history: Lincoln states, "A house divided against itself cannot stand". First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, is launched into orbit. Russians vote in their first independent presidential election. "The Gravity Pleasure Ride", the first American roller coaster, opens today.
Other notable June 16th events include:
1897 – A treaty annexing the Republic of Hawaii to the United States is signed; the Republic would not be dissolved until a year later.
1903 – The Ford Motor Company is incorporated.
1955 – Pope Pius XII excommunicates Juan Perón.
1961 – Rudolf Nureyev defects at Le Bourget airport in Paris.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:00:04am |
Here is my WTF link of the day: someone on Cafe Press is selling some quite outrageous stuff:
(I wonder if CP monitors this stuff at all?)
(outrageous in the sense of politically extremist, that is)
[Link: shop.cafepress.com...]
and
[Link: shop.cafepress.com...]
Yeesh.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:00:33am |
re: #2 laZardo
Would rather be an honest sinner than a dishonest saint.
i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, 'cause sinning is much more fun........
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:00:59am |
Things are getting ugly in Iran:
confirmed - Tabriz - Baseej headqurters set fire - 'many' dead #Iranelection
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:01:03am |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #40 srb1976
re: #41 Floral Giraffe
re: #42 BlueCanuck
Bah! Fie upon thee all. You're all just a willing part of the oppressive Pantocracy! I WILL NOT SUBMIT!
You will all just have to watch my "Freak Flag" fly as I run down the street.
/unless it's really cold out, in which case you'll just have to watch it slightly wiggle
bravo! Bravo! Encore!
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:01:11am |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
Freaks of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our pants!
/K. Marx, The Pantless Manifesto
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:01:56am |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
It could also mean drunkenness. Just sayin'.
/and in my case, pantsless drunkenness.
well, that dress looks good on you.....
/what brand of potato is that?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:01:57am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:02:51am |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #40 srb1976
re: #41 Floral Giraffe
re: #42 BlueCanuck
Bah! Fie upon thee all. You're all just a willing part of the oppressive Pantocracy! I WILL NOT SUBMIT!
You will all just have to watch my "Freak Flag" fly as I run down the street.
/unless it's really cold out, in which case you'll just have to watch it slightly wiggle
it's really difficult to focus a microscope on a moving object.....
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:03:02am |
From Twitter-
The IranElection feed has been blocked, but the Twitter Tehran, Twitter Iranians and Iran9 are still up and running.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:03:20am |
re: #57 redc1c4
well, that dress looks good on you.....
/what brand of potato is that?
That's beautiful = )
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:03:34am |
Tweet:
persiankiwi anyone with camera or laptop is attacked in street #Iranelectionless than a minute ago from web
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:04:18am |
re: #60 Fenway_Nation
That's a rumour. The #IranElection is still feeding. That's where I got that last tweet from.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:05:46am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:06:45am |
re: #63 BlueCanuck
You kids and your twitter and your facespace and mybooks!
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:06:49am |
re: #52 gmsc
Just here for some drive-by history tonight.
Good night, all!
That was all to short. G'night gmsc.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:06:57am |
re: #57 redc1c4
well, that dress looks good on you.....
Thanks for the compliment, and the loaner. I'll get it back to you ASAP.
/BTW, you're wear it a bit bigger in the shoulders than I would, but to each their own.
/what brand of potato is that?
That ain't no potato, sir. I just need to change my shorts.
/TMI?
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:07:14am |
re: #29 BlueCanuck
Curiouser and curiouser, rumours are flying thick and furious:
kudcia RT @persiankiwi rumour spreading Tehran - Army Generals have met in secret - Army considering position #Iranelection
That would be amazing if true!
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:08:07am |
re: #66 Fenway_Nation
Kids? Aren't we close in age? I am just more tech savvy then others. ;)
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:08:16am |
Wonder where the events in Tehran will rank in 'This Day in History' come June 16, 2010.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:09:43am |
re: #72 Fenway_Nation
Wonder where the events in Tehran will rank in 'This Day in History' come June 16, 2010.
Hopefully with a better outcome than tiannamen square.....
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:09:45am |
re: #62 BlueCanuck
Tweet:
persiankiwi anyone with camera or laptop is attacked in street #Iranelectionless than a minute ago from web
If you check out the boston.com photos Charles posted earlier, number 34 (i think) shows a smashed computer in a uni dorm. There are other photos elsewhere of computer labs at the unis being targeted by police for destruction.
There are also reports of police smashing computers and taking memory cards in other dorm raids. They've been targeting the means protestors are using to deisseminate information and organise.
So I don't find it surprising at all that they're now attacking anyone in the street with cell phones or laptops. One thing I'll say about that Obama speech-- when he reiterated "the world is watching" I think he was sending a message not just to the protesters, but to the regime, warning them that they're not operating in a vacuum-- no matter how many communications they jam or journalists they expel.
The world has changed. The revolution is being digitised, twittered, and youtubed.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:09:45am |
re: #72 Fenway_Nation
Wonder where the events in Tehran will rank in 'This Day in History' come June 16, 2010.
They will in my book!
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:10:23am |
Bwaaaaahhhhhhaaaaahhhhhaaaa. MFM pwnd. :)
SecDev @InfowarMonitor: Twitter emerges as news source during Iran media crackdown [Link: is.gd...] #psiphon #netwar #iranelection
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brucee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:10:25am |
CNN: 7 die in attack in Tehran; Moussavi vows to fight:
Seven people were killed after they reportedly attacked a military post in central Tehran, state television said Tuesday.
Son of a bitch! CNN is now taking feeds from State TV?! Really? During a Coup they are helping spread State Sanctioned Propaganda? WTF?!
Those people are the ones who were SHOT AT. They didn't attack, they were peacefully protesting until militia opened fire.
Fuck You too CNN
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:12:38am |
re: #79 brucee
Do you still have family in Iran? If so, are they ok?
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pat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:13:07am |
re: #80 BatGuano
Goodnight Bat Guano, if that really is your name. lol
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:15:14am |
re: #77 Sharmuta
I wish I were as optimistic as you sharm.....
America- in fact, much of the world- would have alot to gain from a (relatively) democratic and (relatively) pro-West regime in Iran.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:15:57am |
re: #79 brucee
CNN: 7 die in attack in Tehran; Moussavi vows to fight:
Seven people were killed after they reportedly attacked a military post in central Tehran, state television said Tuesday.
Son of a bitch! CNN is now taking feeds from State TV?! Really? During a Coup they are helping spread State Sanctioned Propaganda? WTF?!
Those people are the ones who were SHOT AT. They didn't attack, they were peacefully protesting until militia opened fire.
Fuck You too CNN
Agreed. Fuck CNN in the ass, with a railroad spike. I'm going to sign off now. BBITM
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:16:46am |
re: #84 Fenway_Nation
I wish I were as optimistic as you sharm.....
America- in fact, much of the world- would have alot to gain from a (relatively) democratic and (relatively) pro-West regime in Iran.
Tiananmen failed- but I still remember them. I will remember these brave Iranians too.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:17:38am |
re: #79 brucee
Well CNN stands for Commie News Network. They have been known to shade truth in favour of tyrants to keep there press credentials.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:18:00am |
Nothing like this has happened in Iran... ever.... people never took to the streets , students never rose up on the campuses.... until Obama's "I have a Delusion" Speech.
/MSM
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:18:32am |
re: #88 BlueCanuck
Well CNN stands for Commie News Network. They have been known to shade truth in favour of tyrants to keep there press credentials.
They hid saddam's atrocities to get a bureau- maybe they're doing that again.
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brucee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:18:35am |
re: #81 Sharmuta
Do you still have family in Iran? If so, are they ok?
Yes, talked to them about half an hour ago. They are fine, Mom's a little worried about what's coming but I guess that's the general feeling. My dad's happy on the other hand. He says it can't get any worse than it already was.
My city, except university's area has been relatively calm at the moment.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:18:53am |
re: #59 redc1c4
it's really difficult to focus a microscope on a moving object.....
Dude, you suck at euphemisms. "Microscope" is not a really good euphemism for your tiny hands. If your "microscope" can't handle my "moving object", then I guess I'll just have to take my "moving object" elsewhere.
:)
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:20:03am |
re: #88 BlueCanuck
Well CNN stands for Commie News Network. They have been known to shade truth in favour of tyrants to keep there press credentials.
The same people who ran video of snipers targeting american soldiers, can anything they do be a suprise anymore?
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:20:07am |
re: #92 brucee
Without being too specific, whereabouts in Iran? Tehran? One of the other cities? somewhere out in the countryside?
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:20:46am |
re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth
That ain't no potato, sir. I just need to change my shorts.
/TMI?
loaner? your Momma left at my house last week.....i just wanted the family heirloom to get back where it belonged.
/white smoke
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:22:01am |
re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth
Dude, you suck at euphemisms. "Microscope" is not a really good euphemism for your tiny hands. If your "microscope" can't handle my "moving object", then I guess I'll just have to take my "moving object" elsewhere.
:)
whereas, you just suck.
/that explains why you are so popular. %-)
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:22:34am |
re: #88 BlueCanuck
Well CNN stands for Commie News Network. They have been known to shade truth in favour of tyrants to keep there press credentials.
Contains
Nothing
Newsworthy
frag CNN..........
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:24:31am |
re: #97 redc1c4
whereas, you just suck.
Disappointed upding. I was hoping for better there.
#96 was pretty funny though, but only 'cuz I like ya.
/ya momma jokes can get sensitive sometimes
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brucee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:24:49am |
re: #95 Fenway_Nation
Without being too specific, whereabouts in Iran? Tehran? One of the other cities? somewhere out in the countryside?
Not Tehran. But north of Iran.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:24:50am |
re: #92 brucee
I'm glad your family is okay. I think your Dad has a good perspective.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:25:20am |
re: #99 TheMatrix31
CNN, what a fuckin' joke.
You could randomly say this on any thread and I would give you an up ding.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:26:24am |
Is this really going to make any difference one way or the other? Isn't the "reformist" Mousavi just a less trollish version of Achmedinejad hand picked by the Mullahs. Is Iran going to abandon nuclear aspirations? You think they might use the appearance of reform to stave off attack while churning out some nukes?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:27:23am |
re: #104 spidly
Is this really going to make any difference one way or the other? Isn't the "reformist" Mousavi just a less trollish version of Achmedinejad hand picked by the Mullahs. Is Iran going to abandon nuclear aspirations? You think they might use the appearance of reform to stave off attack while churning out some nukes?
I dont think its about the candidates anymore. It's now about the will of the people.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:28:03am |
re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth
Disappointed upding. I was hoping for better there.
#96 was pretty funny though, but only 'cuz I like ya.
/ya momma jokes can get sensitive sometimes
sorry: i had to go shoot a rat....
(hope it wasn't yo'....... %-)
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brucee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:28:11am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:30:47am |
re: #105 TheMatrix31
I dont think its about the candidates anymore. It's now about the will of the people.
if this keeps going, the mullahs will be luck to just stay above water...... they better pray they can surf.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:30:52am |
re: #104 spidly
Were any of the 'reformists' the Chinese students at Tianamen Square supporting any less corrupt beneficiaries of neopotism than Deng Ziopeng?
/The fact that they asked for any change was an affront to the totalitarian system in either instance.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:32:27am |
re: #106 redc1c4
Oh, I got a couple of "yo momma" comebacks in the arsenal, but I prefer to see a fellers face when whipping those out. Better to gauge their limits that way in a friendly exchange.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:32:35am |
re: #108 redc1c4
if this keeps going, the mullahs will be luck to just stay above water...... they better pray they can surf.
Maybe they can catch some waves in California duuuuuuuuudeeeeeee
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:33:32am |
re: #107 brucee
Well- I'm a liberal in the classic sense of the term. I think most people want to live in freedom, and I support that God given right no matter where it arises. I think Iran and America could have a beneficial relationship if your people lived in freedom.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:34:20am |
re: #111 TheMatrix31
Maybe they can catch some waves in California duuuuuuuuudeeeeeee
I hope they meet their karmic fate.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:35:09am |
I am just blown away by the sheer guts these people are showing! To stand up like this, amazing!
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Karridine Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:38:17am |
re: #109 Fenway_Nation
Exactly! the vulgar plebians asking for ANYTHING means "We, the Governing Cadre, are doing something wrong!" Impossible, therefore those plebians are an affront to our elite ruling sensibilities...
Very similar to Baha'is in Iran... "You believe God HAS fulfilled His promises by sending the Promised One? ABSOLUTELY NOT! We, the ruling clergy, would have KNOWN before you! OUR interpretations of Holy Scripture CANNOT BE WRONG, therefore YOU ARE AN AFFRONT to our sensibilities!"
And that goes for anybody else who wants something, anything, under these corrupt theocracies, Fenway...
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:39:01am |
Okay I am done. No new info coming in on the twitter feed. See you folks later on.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:39:03am |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, I got a couple of "yo momma" comebacks in the arsenal, but I prefer to see a fellers face when whipping those out. Better to gauge their limits that way in a friendly exchange.
as long as we're talking about my mama, you can go all day..... i won't care.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:39:38am |
re: #114 srb1976
I am just blown away by the sheer guts these people are showing! To stand up like this, amazing!
Earlier on Twitter, I saw a couple people saying they were glad to be Americans fully realizing that they usually take their freedoms for granted.
And many of us do. I think it's good for us to be reminded that we do in fact take our freedom for granted, and what it means to fight for it.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:39:55am |
re: #114 srb1976
I am just blown away by the sheer guts these people are showing! To stand up like this, amazing!
even sheep look up, you press on them hard enough.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:40:07am |
re: #116 BlueCanuck
Okay I am done. No new info coming in on the twitter feed. See you folks later on.
hasta...........
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:42:20am |
re: #118 Sharmuta
Earlier on Twitter, I saw a couple people saying they were glad to be Americans fully realizing that they usually take their freedoms for granted.
And many of us do. I think it's good for us to be reminded that we do in fact take our freedom for granted, and what it means to fight for it.
for those who have risked their lives for it, freedom has a value the protected will never know.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:43:03am |
uhoh-- report from HuffPo a little while ago: the govt is striking back by using heavily edited clips from Fox News to smear the protesters and the US:
3:09 AM ET -- Iran state TV using Fox News footage. Earlier this evening, emailer Valentina sent along this Farsi-language video of a June 15 news report by Iranian national TV. She described it as such:
This video is about yesterday events when people gathered in front of one of candidates' (Mousavi but no name was mentioned in the report) HQ. In brief: The narrator says that a group of opportunistic people supporting a candidate (without bringing up the name) are responsible for breaking and destroying the public/ private property. They are blaming the foreign media for supporting the riots and covering the story. They cited Fox News who has predicted the violence and wants to divide Iranian people. They are interviewing a group of people who are mad because their property has got destroyed.In search of more detail of how the government is spinning Monday's events, I asked another reader (who has graciously been helping me translate Farsi) to give a more detailed description. He obliged:
What a propaganda masterpiece. So the gist of it is that there were some minor rallies that started peacefully but some people took advantage of the situation and began vandalizing. Meanwhile, the foreign press tried to make it sound worst and create disunity among the population. It cuts to a Fox News interview that US should take advantage of this situation and make contact with the people in the street. They then interview shop owners -- "victims" -- saying the government should stop such act of vandalism. 'It's unfair to us (shop owners) to come to work and see our properties and business is damaged.'
A fascinating look inside the state's message machine, and as he noted, "you see how well they monitor all news sources to put together that video montage."
Here's a link to the Farsi video
[Link: www.kalam.tv...]
So Iran's state TV is claiming that the foreign press is stirring up trouble and wants to divide the Iranian people. I guess this is part of their 'spin' to justify the crackdown on journalists.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:43:38am |
i just did a search for SurferDoc, since i hadn't seen him recently.....
feel much better knowing he's still posting, once in awhile.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:47:21am |
re: #124 iceweasel
Blame FOX News for all your problems....not that different from DailyKos or Wonkette, basically.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:47:57am |
re: #124 iceweasel
At this point, I think there are only two groups- those that belong to the mullahs, and those who want freedom. Only the people who belong to the mullahs would buy that nonsense.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:50:21am |
re: #117 redc1c4
as long as we're talking about my mama, you can go all day..... i won't care.
As long as you're cool with it, I'll keep that in mind. Some folks get real sensitive about that.
I've lost my rhythm, though, so don't expect anything more chuckle worthy from me tonight.
Good show, Red. I guess I'll go ahead and concede defeat for this round of the dozens. Plus I'm outta beer and losing inspiration quickly.
For Red: a funny "ur mom" exchange.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:50:37am |
I said it earlier, and I'll say it again:
This is what all despots fear- that at some point their victims will no longer fear them and rise up against them. In Iran- that day is here.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:50:46am |
re: #124 iceweasel
I saw the photographs of the "minor rallies":10's of thousands of people seeking justice.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:52:46am |
re: #126 Fenway_Nation
Blame FOX News for all your problems....not that different from DailyKos or Wonkette, basically.
Who's blaming Fox News? Iran State TV happens to be manipulating their footage, but if it hadn't been Fox's it would have been someone else.
The point isn't "fox news to blame!" here, but the extraordinary and shameless lengths the govt in Iran is going to in order to lie to the people.
/wow, I think I just defended fox news.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:53:25am |
re: #130 BatGuano
I saw the photographs of the "minor rallies":10's of thousands of people seeking justice.
protest was 5 miles long, the AP reported. I can believe it, from the pics.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:54:44am |
re: #132 iceweasel
I can too. Solid humanity to the horizon.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:56:09am |
re: #131 iceweasel
I think Fenway was being a bit sarcastic.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:56:47am |
re: #130 BatGuano
I saw the photographs of the "minor rallies":10's of thousands of people seeking justice.
the BBC guy said 100's of thousands, maybe millions of people.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:57:22am |
The amazing thing is that people hated Bush & Co for Iraq. Now, Iraq can have free and democratic elections, and here you have the Iranian people starving and fighting for the same damn thing.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:58:13am |
re: #134 Sharmuta
Yeah, I just reread him....whoops. Sorry Fenway!
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:58:16am |
re: #137 TheMatrix31
The amazing thing is that people hated Bush & Co for Iraq. Now, Iraq can have free and democratic elections, and here you have the Iranian people starving and fighting for the same damn thing.
side effect of us being in Iraq and the 'stan....... at least somewhat.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:58:42am |
re: #135 redc1c4
I believe it. A photograph can only show so much.
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I Need A Bigger Gun Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:01:33am |
Just got done watching Redeye on the Fox News Network. I am now officially in lust...errr, love with Fox News anchor Lauren Savin. Damn...time for a cold shower before bed. Good night lizards.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:01:55am |
re: #137 TheMatrix31
The amazing thing is that people hated Bush & Co for Iraq. Now, Iraq can have free and democratic elections, and here you have the Iranian people starving and fighting for the same damn thing.
They support it when it's the Iranians, but why do they hate Iraqis?
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:02:53am |
I wonder if it ever occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:02:56am |
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:04:30am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
I wonder if it ever occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities.
better half always says "if you're snooty you might as well be ugly"
he means it too = )
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:04:58am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
Been there, done that. It occurs to me every day.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:06:02am |
re: #147 srb1976
If all a guy cares about is the woman is good looking, then he deserves whatever negatives come with that package.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:06:02am |
re: #144 Sharmuta
They support it when it's the Iranians, but why do they hate Iraqis?
They ARE supporting it? I haven't heard much in the way of the opinions on the situation from the usual "other side".
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:06:36am |
re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm getting to the point where I'm about to ding down such shallow comments.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:07:37am |
re: #150 TheMatrix31
Really? Killgore and others have been linking to Huffpoo and Kos because they are covering this story more than right-wing blogs.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:08:08am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
I wonder if it ever occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities.
yep, you seem them on a commercial or in and ad and they're hot. They pop up on some E! show and get to talking and the hottness is... not so much.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:08:28am |
re: #149 Sharmuta
If all a guy cares about is the woman is good looking, then he deserves whatever negatives come with that package.
"Image is the provenance of the non-performer."
one of "red's Rules to Live By"
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:09:13am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
Yes- that's why I prefer the women who are cute/pretty/goregous and don't realize it.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:09:29am |
re: #152 Sharmuta
Really? Killgore and others have been linking to Huffpoo and Kos because they are covering this story more than right-wing blogs.
Shit, you're right. I haven't even been paying attention to the fact that they've been coming from there!
Don't know whether to feel dirty or feel proud that they actually have some semblance of sanity and compassion!
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:10:04am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
I wonder if it ever occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities.
Don't you think that was a tad bit sexist?
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:10:54am |
re: #153 spidly
yep, you seem them on a commercial or in and ad and they're hot. They pop up on some E! show and get to talking and the hottness is... not so much.
my Ao is full of "oh so cute"...... and i'm not talking the (in)famous bimbos, but some truly beautiful women.
yet, when i hear most of them talk, celibacy starts sounding like a valid option.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:11:15am |
re: #156 TheMatrix31
Shit, you're right. I haven't even been paying attention to the fact that they've been coming from there!
Don't know whether to feel dirty or feel proud that they actually have some semblance of sanity and compassion!
Do both....be proud of your rationality while taking a shower to get rid of the cooties = )
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:11:16am |
re: #157 BatGuano
Don't you think that was a tad bit sexist?
No. I think it's sexist to value a woman purely for her looks.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:12:35am |
tonight's rat status: 2 shots, 2 kills, both on the east side range.
south side remains quiet, as it has been for several nights recently.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:15:16am |
re: #160 Sharmuta
No. I think it's sexist to value a woman purely for her looks.
The sexist part is wondering if it occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities. Of course it occurs to us. We know it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:15:19am |
re: #149 Sharmuta
Well, to be fair Sharm, we all initially judge the package by its appearance. Men, women, children, all of us do it.
Just as those in the animal kingdom judge the possible danger or toxicity of other creatures by their sharply contrasting colors, so do we humans judge others by their appearance. It is ingrained in our genetics.
It's just that sometimes our choices as humans are much more foolish and shallow than our counterparts in the animal kingdom.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:16:00am |
Carrie Prejean turns out to be the latest example of pretty on the outside, nasty on the inside.
Less than a month after being told by Donald Trump that she can keep her Miss California crown, Carrie Prejean was fired on Wednesday.
In a release first obtained by FOXNews.com, K2 Productions, the independent producers of the Miss California USA pageant, under license from Miss Universe, cited continued breach of contract issues as the reason for Prejean's firing.
The transcript of her email exchange with her co-ordinator is pretty revealing. I wouldn't want to work for her or with her.
You do not cooperate with me, and you pick and chose the the things YOU want me to do. That is not happening anymore. Stop speaking for me. I have MY own voice. What are u gonna do fire me for volunteering for the special olympics hahaha ur crazy No I am doing this appearance. You do not need details. Its for the SPECIAL OLYMPICS! You just need to know I will be doing it alright
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Read the transcript from bottom to top.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:17:29am |
re: #157 BatGuano
Don't you think that was a tad bit sexist?
what the hell are you doing!? the tarrentella in a minefield would be safer, buddy.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:17:34am |
re: #166 iceweasel
Because we pick beauty queens for their winning personalities right? That's why we need a swimsuit competition? =)
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:17:40am |
re: #160 Sharmuta
No. I think it's sexist to value a woman purely for her looks.
but, for the most part, our society values both women AND men by their looks: "Today, I was walking by a bunch of pretty girls. I'm not the most attractive boy, so I walked by nervously. I heard one yell "Hey cutie!" I turned to look, and they started laughing. She said "Oh my god, sorry! I assumed you were cute from your butt!" Apparently, my ass is nicer than my face. FML"
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:18:19am |
re: #167 spidly
what the hell are you doing!? the tarrentella in a minefield would be safer, buddy.
Bugler! Sound retreat!
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:18:25am |
re: #163 srb1976
maybe you scared 'em off?
or they're coming by *real* late....... one thing's for sure, i didn't get'em all.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:18:41am |
re: #151 Sharmuta
I'm getting to the point where I'm about to ding down such shallow comments.
I do hope you aren't suggesting my comment was shallow. And not to kid, but I often do make shallow comments, mostly for comedic effect.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:18:49am |
re: #155 Fenway_Nation
Yes- that's why I prefer the women who are cute/pretty/goregous and don't realize it.
jenna elfmanish.
catherine zeta-jones... well she's fully aware but carries it well.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:19:10am |
re: #168 srb1976
Because we pick beauty queens for their winning personalities right? That's why we need a swimsuit competition? =)
So true. Yeah, the swimsuit portion is all about showcasing their assets. :)
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:21:17am |
re: #174 iceweasel
Sorry, I just think that she has gotten WAY more attention than anyone needs to give a beauty queen...for anything.
Why exaclty, does it matter what she thinks of gay marriage? and who cares? All the rest is just drama for the sake of drama....No one really cares, yet it makes the news anyway....
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ryannon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:21:26am |
re: #60 Fenway_Nation
From Twitter-
The IranElection feed has been blocked, but the Twitter Tehran, Twitter Iranians and Iran9 are still up and running.
"One of the more active posters of messages on Twitter, someone in Iran named persiankiwi, has attracted over 10,000 followers, with over 2,000 added since Monday at noon."
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]
[Link: twitter.com...]
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:22:07am |
re: #166 iceweasel
God Bless Carrie Prejean- without her, it would've been nearly impossible for me to gratuitously post "When I was dating a beauty pageant contestant...." in this forum......
//
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:22:32am |
re: #169 redc1c4
but, for the most part, our society values both women AND men by their looks: "Today, I was walking by a bunch of pretty girls. I'm not the most attractive boy, so I walked by nervously. I heard one yell "Hey cutie!" I turned to look, and they started laughing. She said "Oh my god, sorry! I assumed you were cute from your butt!" Apparently, my ass is nicer than my face. FML"
The difference is that historically women were valued only for their looks.
It's a fairly new development in human history that women have attained enough economic/social independence that we can start treating men as sex objects, at least some of us some of the time.
And let's not forget that our standards for 'looks' for men allow men to be considered hot all the way up to 60-- whereas for women you have people like John Derbyshire genuinely suggesting that women stop being attractive around the age of 21 or so (!) and that this is "just the way eveolution made us". Yeah, right.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:22:59am |
re: #173 spidly
jenna elfmanish.
catherine zeta-jones... well she's fully aware but carries it well.
Jenna is a Scientology whacko..... i'll pass.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:23:06am |
re: #174 iceweasel
So true. Yeah, the swimsuit portion is all about showcasing their assets. :)
I didn't pick my mate (nor would I) from a beauty contest. My wife did not pick me for my money (I had none), yet we love each other and are happy.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:24:07am |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, to be fair Sharm, we all initially judge the package by its appearance. Men, women, children, all of us do it.
Just as those in the animal kingdom judge the possible danger or toxicity of other creatures by their sharply contrasting colors, so do we humans judge others by their appearance. It is ingrained in our genetics.
It's just that sometimes our choices as humans are much more foolish and shallow than our counterparts in the animal kingdom.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:24:39am |
re: #180 BatGuano
I didn't pick my mate (nor would I) from a beauty contest. My wife did not pick me for my money (I had none), yet we love each other and are happy.
and you know this because she told you you were......
/white smoke
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:25:00am |
re: #175 srb1976
Yeah, i felt that way myself. Who cares what she says about gay marriage? -- I'm a little tired of the new ritualistic humiliation that pageant contestants undergo when they're forced to answer questions. Like that poor girl in SC a few years ago who gave such a garbled answer about maps or geography or whatever it was.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:25:12am |
how are these people updating their Twitters and YouTube if the communications have been stopped?
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:25:28am |
re: #178 iceweasel
The difference is that historically women were valued only for their looks.
It's a fairly new development in human history that women have attained enough economic/social independence that we can start treating men as sex objects, at least some of us some of the time.
And let's not forget that our standards for 'looks' for men allow men to be considered hot all the way up to 60-- whereas for women you have people like John Derbyshire genuinely suggesting that women stop being attractive around the age of 21 or so (!) and that this is "just the way eveolution made us". Yeah, right.
who's this John Derbyshire moron?
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:25:32am |
re: #182 redc1c4
and you know this because she told you you were......
/white smoke
You need white smoke, bud.
:)
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:25:42am |
re: #180 BatGuano
I didn't pick my mate (nor would I) from a beauty contest. My wife did not pick me for my money (I had none), yet we love each other and are happy.
Next sunday, better half and I will have been married 12 years. The first time he ever saw me, I was in my PJ's, hair a mess, and had baby puke (someone else's baby) on my shoulder...and he was already mad at me....
So much for beauty contests = )
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:25:48am |
re: #183 iceweasel
. Like that poor girl in SC a few years ago who gave such a garbled answer about maps or geography or whatever it was.
Ya but that was just terrible, lol.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:27:20am |
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:27:31am |
re: #185 redc1c4
who's this John Derbyshire moron?
John Derbyshire wrights for National review on line. He is increasingly becoming a crotchety, atavistic old man.
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Scion9 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:28:01am |
re: #160 Sharmuta
No. I think it's sexist to value a woman purely for her looks.
If all you know about someone is how they look there really isn't anything else to 'value' about them; and just because someone comments on a woman's appearance doesn't mean they are writing off everything else, or that they are writing off women that aren't models of physical perfection either.
Practically no man isn't aware that beautiful women are very capable of being quite unattractive in terms of personality by the time they have gotten out of high school.
From personal experience, your physical attractiveness cuts across gender boundaries as well. I am a very physically active person and am in good shape, but I once badly injured my leg which laid me up for over 9 months. I went from running 40+ miles a week to running 0 (as well as other activities that went to nothing), but I didn't adjust my ~3500 calories per day diet out of habit and blew up like a blimp.
Trust me, I got a lot more general respect, politeness and a lot more positive attention even social, academic and professional settings from both women and men as a guy with an athletic build than I did as a fat guy. I've since recuperated from my injury and gone back to my hobbies, dropped the weight and I'm back to being taken seriously by the world at large on what seem to be purely physical grounds.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:29:03am |
re: #185 redc1c4
who's this John Derbyshire moron?
Asshole conservative writer for the National Review, whose views on Iraq etc are often approvingly cited.
Here's the quote-- it's worse than I remember. He thinks women stop being attractive at 20, not 21.
It is, in fact, a sad truth about human life that beyond our salad days, very few of us are interesting to look at in the buff. Added to that sadness is the very unfair truth that a woman's salad days are shorter than a man's — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20. The Nautilus and the treadmill can add a half decade or so, but by 36 the bloom is definitely off the rose. Very few of us, however, can face up to this fact honestly, and I am sure this diary item will generate more angry e-mails of protest than everything else I have written this month
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:29:07am |
re: #169 redc1c4
I agree and know- we all do it. I'm attractive. I've been called more than that, but I'll keep it modest. The thing is- I don't want to be valued for my looks. I want to be valued for what really matters about me.
And Excrement of the Bat's Rear Private Part- you're right. I realize some men know better. It's just disappointing to so often see expressions here that don't bother to take a woman's personality into account.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:29:47am |
re: #187 srb1976
Next sunday, better half and I will have been married 12 years. The first time he ever saw me, I was in my PJ's, hair a mess, and had baby puke (someone else's baby) on my shoulder...and he was already mad at me....
So much for beauty contests = )
You have made my point. And you married a real man!
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:30:15am |
re: #187 srb1976
Next sunday, better half and I will have been married 12 years. The first time he ever saw me, I was in my PJ's, hair a mess, and had baby puke (someone else's baby) on my shoulder...and he was already mad at me....
So much for beauty contests = )
Congrats!
This story made me happy for you both. :)
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:31:32am |
re: #186 BatGuano
You need white smoke, bud.
:)
if you have bud, you can generate your own smoke....
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:31:47am |
Yawn! Good morning Lizards!
How is everyone today?
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:34:01am |
re: #194 BatGuano
You have made my point. And you married a real man!
That is the truth....and good looks aside, there are very few things sexier (in my mind) than a competent and confident man = )
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:34:30am |
re: #191 Scion9
I know. I know. I try to not take it for granted that I'm attractive because I know very well that it has benefited me. But because I am aware of this, I also try to not treat people like I am treated. I try to treat people as if they are worthy of consideration too. In fact- I've gotten such a bad taste in my mouth from highly attractive men being jerks- I usually avoid them like the plague and rarely give them the time of day.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:34:30am |
re: #192 iceweasel
he almost sounds like he's trying to justify underage sex.
what a moron, but that just means more of the hot older women for the discerning amongst us.
/not that it does me any good. %-)
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:34:53am |
re: #199 TheMatrix31
Well good thing I'm 21 still, lol.
Hey, I thought you were male!
/there I go being sexist myself.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:35:20am |
re: #203 iceweasel
Hey, I thought you were male!
/there I go being sexist myself.
he is.... kinda sorta. %-)
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:35:42am |
re: #195 iceweasel
Congrats!
This story made me happy for you both. :)
Thanks, it's actually pretty funny...he had the apartment downstairs from my friends and I and was actively trying to have us evicted at the time...he only came up to complain = )
Hell of a guy though!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:35:55am |
re: #204 redc1c4
have another ice cream sundae!
I dunno about a sundae, but I do like Rocky Roads ;)
/"white smoke"
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:37:29am |
re: #202 redc1c4
he almost sounds like he's trying to justify underage sex.
what a moron, but that just means more of the hot older women for the discerning amongst us.
/not that it does me any good. %-)
Heh. The Derb was already a favoured target of the lefty/progress-o-sphere, but ever since that column they've been fairly relentless in mocking him as a new Humbert Humbert.
I'm sure there's a hot older woman out there for you. Of course in Derbyshire's terms, 'older' will mean anything above 20. :)
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:38:12am |
re: #209 Sharmuta
Hi, Hoops.
Good morning Sharm! Hope today finds you well....
Going to pull the boat out soon as the sun comes out...
Wanna cruise the lake with me? *wink*
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:38:15am |
re: #207 srb1976
Thanks, it's actually pretty funny...he had the apartment downstairs from my friends and I and was actively trying to have us evicted at the time...he only came up to complain = )
Hell of a guy though!
Oh my god, that is an adorable 'how we met' story. It really is! Might be one of the best I've ever heard.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:38:18am |
re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth
Who cares? More cougars for us, eh?
/
just don't tell my 6 element: i'd hate to get shot with my own gun..... %-)
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:39:07am |
re: #211 HoosierHoops
I wish I could go boating with you, Hon.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:39:25am |
re: #210 iceweasel
Heh. The Derb was already a favoured target of the lefty/progress-o-sphere, but ever since that column they've been fairly relentless in mocking him as a new Humbert Humbert.
I'm sure there's a hot older woman out there for you. Of course in Derbyshire's terms, 'older' will mean anything above 20. :)
i have one...... that is more than enough.
besides, she's a damn good shot, so i'd suffer for sure. %-)
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:39:38am |
re: #212 iceweasel
Oh my god, that is an adorable 'how we met' story. It really is! Might be one of the best I've ever heard.
Are we telling how we met stories? Mine is a crazy nutsie story...
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:40:25am |
re: #212 iceweasel
Oh my god, that is an adorable 'how we met' story. It really is! Might be one of the best I've ever heard.
my first date with HRH was to the ER.......
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:40:36am |
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Scion9 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:40:54am |
re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth
Who cares? More cougars for us, eh?
/
Seriously. It is The Age of the MILF. "30 is the new 20". More than ever before in our culture middle aged and older women are a model for what is considered beautiful.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:41:07am |
re: #216 HoosierHoops
Are we telling how we met stories? Mine is a crazy nutsie story...
Do tell.... = )
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:41:36am |
re: #218 redc1c4
my first date with HRH was to the ER.......
Damn, I knew there would be some interesting stories here on this topic! You can't leave that hanging, you know.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:41:50am |
King Kong Jeff Bridges on AMC. What the hell. I could understand when they started the whole new american classics, but that? Next they'll be doing Steven Seagal triple marathons - 3 days of no repeats - every movie he's ever done that nobody has seen
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:42:09am |
re: #192 iceweasel
I remember that piece he wrote. He is from a previous century; and I don't mean the 20th.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:42:59am |
I was once told I was too much woman for one man to handle. This was strictly based off my personality. I've come to think it's true. Men fear me.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:43:46am |
re: #225 Sharmuta
I was once told I was too much woman for one man to handle. This was strictly based off my personality. I've come to think it's true. Men fear me.
Yeah, but some guys like that in a girl (or at least that's what better half tells me = ) )
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:44:19am |
re: #226 srb1976
Yeah, but some guys like that in a girl (or at least that's what better half tells me = ) )
I hope I don't offend if I don't believe that.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:45:08am |
re: #223 spidly
King Kong Jeff Bridges on AMC. What the hell. I could understand when they started the whole new american classics, but that? Next they'll be doing Steven Seagal triple marathons - 3 days of no repeats - every movie he's ever done that nobody has seen
and they're all the same movie...... he just keeps getting balder. %-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:45:49am |
re: #213 redc1c4
Heh, I don't even think I qualify as cougar prey, being in my late thirties.
But it's nice to know there are a lot of female hotties out there my age. Doesn't make me feel so old and ugly.
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Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:46:12am |
I have been married to my blushing bride
Image: helen.jpg
for 837 years..... and this is her third marriage!
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:46:15am |
re: #225 Sharmuta
I was once told I was too much woman for one man to handle. This was strictly based off my personality. I've come to think it's true. Men fear me.
if you'd just learn to follow instructions, everything would be fine....... %-)
/white smoke
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:46:19am |
re: #225 Sharmuta
I was once told I was too much woman for one man to handle. This was strictly based off my personality. I've come to think it's true. Men fear me.
the lassies are all over my see through wispy blond hair and widow's peak that has become more of a full on mountain range
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:46:38am |
re: #224 BatGuano
I remember that piece he wrote. He is from a previous century; and I don't mean the 20th.
He's a despicable human being. I'd forgotten about his comments about the Virginia Tech shooting:
"Where was the spirit of self-defense here? Setting aside the ludicrous campus ban on licensed conceals, why didn't anyone rush the guy?...I hope, however, that if I thought I was going to die anyway, I'd at least take a run at the guy."
To which John Podhoretz, who I usually have no use for, witheringly replied:
"The notion that a human being or group of human beings holding no weapon whatever should somehow 'fight back' against someone calmly executing other people right in front of their eyes is ludicrous beyond belief, irrational beyond bounds, and tasteless beyond the limits of reason. 'Why didn't anyone rush the guy?' Derb asks. Gee, I don't know. Because he was executing people? Because if you rush a guy with a gun, he shoots you in the head the way he executed the teachers in each classroom?"
Derbyshire: pedophile in spirit, if not in deed; and fullfledged member of the 101st Fighting Keyboard Kommandos. What a tough guy.
(sorry for the rant)
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:47:31am |
re: #227 Sharmuta
I hope I don't offend if I don't believe that.
then you've been meeting the wrong guys....
unfortunately for you, i'm spoken for.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:47:57am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:48:23am |
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:49:02am |
re: #221 srb1976
Do tell.... = )
I get teased about this all time....
Our first date...The most beautiful woman I have ever seen...I asked her out for dinner....But I am the pickest eater in the world....And she is a jew and really those folks really know how to eat...
I was so nervous and ordered a plate of mushrooms... She laughed her ass off at me....I knew we were meant for each other when we shared the plate and talked all night long...It took awhile before her family accepted me....But 5 kids later I guess everything is good.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:50:00am |
re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. Thirty is the new "eight years younger than me".
Thirty is the new "that was back when i was young and had a future"....
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Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:51:02am |
re: #237 HoosierHoops
I get teased about this all time....
Our first date...The most beautiful woman I have ever seen...I asked her out for dinner....But I am the pickest eater in the world....And she is a jew and really those folks really know how to eat...
I was so nervous and ordered a plate of mushrooms... She laughed her ass off at me....I knew we were meant for each other when we shared the plate and talked all night long...It took awhile before her family accepted me....But 5 kids later I guess everything is good.
You did shrooms on the first date? After about a half a plate you would have had to peel me off of the ceiling.
///
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:51:04am |
re: #234 redc1c4
then you've been meeting the wrong guys....
unfortunately for you, i'm spoken for.
Yeah- I've heard that line before.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:51:07am |
re: #225 Sharmuta
I was once told I was too much woman for one man to handle. This was strictly based off my personality. I've come to think it's true. Men fear me.
It's the horns, Sharm. If you'd just file 'em down a bit...
/
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:52:35am |
back to Catherine Zeta-Jones at 39.
dude thinks the bloom is off her rose?
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:53:21am |
re: #233 iceweasel
Derbyshire: pedophile in spirit, if not in deed; and fullfledged member of the 101st Fighting Keyboard Kommandos. What a tough guy.
(sorry for the rant)
I have issues with Podhoretz, but I take his side in this matter. And I have not visited NRO in months.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:53:27am |
2H6 was closing down the facility she had been in charge of, and i came in to do the dirty w*rk: selling everything off, closing out the contracts, etc....
the office fixtures, etc, were divied up, and she got a big file cabinet.
i disassembled it, brought it to her condo and said i'd be back to reassemble. naturally, she and someone else couldn't wait. i get there and the drawers were jammed, so we tried to override the lock with coathangers. hers wound up in her eye.
long story short, there was no damage, but we've been together ever since.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:53:45am |
re: #237 HoosierHoops
I get teased about this all time....
Our first date...The most beautiful woman I have ever seen...I asked her out for dinner....But I am the pickest eater in the world....And she is a jew and really those folks really know how to eat...
I was so nervous and ordered a plate of mushrooms... She laughed her ass off at me....I knew we were meant for each other when we shared the plate and talked all night long...It took awhile before her family accepted me....But 5 kids later I guess everything is good.
That's adorable = ) I thought it was supposed to be the woman that doesn't eat anything on th first date ( not that I ever agreed with that either)
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:53:45am |
re: #225 Sharmuta
I was once told I was too much woman for one man to handle. This was strictly based off my personality. I've come to think it's true. Men fear me.
Semi OT, here -- I don't pay attention to and don't know much about the stalker blogs and those freaks, or the backstory--but as an outside observer I have long suspected that you are a favoured target in part because you're female. They can't stand having their clocks cleaned in an argument--and they really can't stand when it's a woman who does it.
We can joke around here, but we should be aware that there are a lot of men out there who hate women and who really hate smart women.
My guess (based partly on my own experience) is that you're a threat to some because you're breaking the rules: the rules for sexists and misogynists say that women are supposed to be boobs or brains but not both--and never, ever 'too much' of one or the either.
Of course, the cool enlightened guys like their women to be both, and even like being challenged-- but there are a lot of Neanderthals out there still.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:54:03am |
re: #240 Sharmuta
Yeah- I've heard that line before.
well, i would ruin you for normal men...... %-)
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:54:36am |
re: #243 Sharmuta
I'm sorry I said anything about it. Just forget it.
WTF? You're not going passive enough woman too handle now, are you?
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:54:41am |
re: #242 spidly
back to Catherine Zeta-Jones at 39.
dude thinks the bloom is off her rose?
dude wouldn't even qualify as the manure for that rose......
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:55:22am |
re: #239 Truck Monkey
You did shrooms on the first date? After about a half a plate you would have had to peel me off of the ceiling.
///
or squeegee you out of the carpet.
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:55:23am |
re: #245 redc1c4
You poked her in her eye?!
/couldn't you figure out a better way to get her attention?!
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:56:15am |
Shaddup, Fenway! We're talking sex here...
;-)
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:56:17am |
re: #245 redc1c4
Yep, it's all in good fun til somebody loses an eye = )
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:56:18am |
re: #242 spidly
back to Catherine Zeta-Jones at 39.
dude thinks the bloom is off her rose?
those don't look like 39's.......
/white smoke
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:57:16am |
re: #244 BatGuano
I have issues with Podhoretz, but I take his side in this matter. And I have not visited NRO in months.
Ditto.
I keep an eye on NRO only insofar as I read the liberal blogs that snark on the more egregious posts there; Jonah Goldberg in particular is a plentiful font of mockery. They say there can be no such thing as a perpetual motion machine, but JG is a perpetual mockery machine for the blogosphere.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:57:17am |
re: #228 redc1c4
and they're all the same movie...... he just keeps getting balder. %-)
gains 10 pounds each movie. last one I even watched a part of, he waddled about barely moving and magically flipped his foes about with the same ridiculous tricky hand thing
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:58:24am |
re: #253 littleoldlady
You poked her in her eye?!
/couldn't you figure out a better way to get her attention?!
several tacky comments come to mind....... %-)
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:58:40am |
re: #246 srb1976
That's adorable = ) I thought it was supposed to be the woman that doesn't eat anything on th first date ( not that I ever agreed with that either)
LOL
yup..Did you know according to the jews that if the woman is a jew all the kids are considered jews? Who knew? I'm glad for the kids....They have a history...I was Adopted...I have no history or family past mom and dad...
I am lucky to have such family and such love in my life....
I am the luckiest man in the world..
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Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:59:17am |
re: #255 srb1976
Yep, it's all in good fun til somebody loses an eye = )
I've always thought that it was it's all fun and games until someone gets their spleen ripped out.
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:00:43am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:00:44am |
re: #262 Truck Monkey
I've always thought that it was it's all fun and games until someone gets their spleen ripped out.
how else would we make the fruitcup?
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:00:57am |
re: #263 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
A women after my heart! Yummy.Fruit!
Good Morning to you..Hope today finds you well
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:01:14am |
re: #260 HoosierHoops
LOL
yup..Did you know according to the jews that if the woman is a jew all the kids are considered jews? Who knew? I'm glad for the kids....They have a history...I was Adopted...I have no history or family past mom and dad...
I am lucky to have such family and such love in my life....
I am the luckiest man in the world..
You know, I didn't know that. I have to say, as a non-religious person, if there is one thing that I envy about religious people....it's the history and tradition they have to fall back on in rough times. Whatever else I might disagree with, I think that's beautiful.
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:01:20am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:01:33am |
And now the Muslim/Middle East countries.
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Dubai's ADX- down 2.38%
Jakarta's JKSE Composite- down 2.19%
Egypt's EGX30- up 0.88%
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:03:15am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:03:26am |
re: #266 littleoldlady
/awkwardly tries to hide ping-pong paddle behind back.
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:03:52am |
re: #247 iceweasel
My wife is an intellectual challenge to me. I love talking to her. We would not be together if it were not so. I am not threatened by a smart woman; I welcome it.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:04:01am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
Hoosier! :-)
Are you at your cabin?
yup...terrible internet connection.But who cares....Soon as the sun comes up I'm cruising the boat on Lake Tomahawk and drinking beer...
I'm a bad boy!
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Scion9 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:04:58am |
re: #262 Truck Monkey
I've always thought that it was it's all fun and games until someone gets their spleen ripped out.
It's good, clean fun until someone loses an eye. After that it's just good fun.
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:05:51am |
I should behave myself.
/youngster in the room...
;-)
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:05:52am |
re: #263 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Thank you, littleoldlady!
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:09:11am |
speaking of the whole "i'm young and cute" ethos, i was at the store a few weeks back, as usual looking like i'd been drug through a hedge, buying my giant econopack of cheap beer.....
as i start down the aisle to the dead animal dept, i noticed two SYT's sashaying their way towards me. dressed in whatever the fashion is, secure in their status, and taking their half out of the middle of the walkway.
i was on my side, and headed right at them. they pretended i wasn't there, and evidently expected that i would simply move out of their way so the procession could continue.
the corner of a 30 pack, swinging forward on my arm, at my usual walking speed undoubtedly left the sort of bruise that was there for weeks.... as i kept going, i gave the plaintive cries and whining behind me as much attention as they had my approach.
/yeah, i can be an asshole %-)
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:09:20am |
re: #277 BatGuano
My wife is an intellectual challenge to me. I love talking to her. We would not be together if it were not so. I am not threatened by a smart woman; I welcome it.
Just one of the many ways in which you're everyone's favourite creature of the night, beloved Bat. You make me want to use emoticons and wrap your name up in some parentheses for a hug and all that stuff.
Smart and strong men aren't threatened by their women being so, they welcome it.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:09:42am |
re: #275 littleoldlady
It's a damn good thing you and I are on opposite coasts...
;-)
where shall we meet?
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:10:50am |
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:11:16am |
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:13:58am |
re: #296 redc1c4
that's just wrong.
I don't even know what the hell that was, but any site that advertises for Ashley Madison (which is like the match.com for married people who want to have an affair) is not a site I'm going to like.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:16:40am |
re: #298 iceweasel
I don't even know what the hell that was, but any site that advertises for Ashley Madison (which is like the match.com for married people who want to have an affair) is not a site I'm going to like.
i didn't see that..... lemme go look. %-)
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:17:20am |
re: #293 HoosierHoops
That is a trashy web site.What's up with that?
Very trashy website. One of those stupid gossip places.
In other news, I found this text message listed on "TextsFromLastNight" to be pertinent given our conversation over the last hour or so...
(402): Hotel room at 3 am. She's 42. Stockings and heels. All because I opened with a joke about cougar hunting. We'll high-five later.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:19:11am |
re: #295 littleoldlady
Hoosier,
How old are your kids?
Our oldest is 28. Our youngest is 17... Our middle boy turned 21 in Iraq..
I'm always posting his picture with his buddies in my Avatar..
He is a bad motherfucker that stands on the wall for all of us...He'll be out of the Marines in 6 months and is going to be a cop... Finally..A way to get out of speeding tickets....
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:21:01am |
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:21:43am |
re: #304 HoosierHoops
That's a great picture....I'm assuming yours is the handsome one right = )
(actually, just a great picture)
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BatGuano Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:22:26am |
Goodnight, littleoldlady. Thank you for the fruitcup. Goodnight, all. Thank you for the conversation!
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:22:47am |
re: #302 TheMatrix31
"Your ex-husband Bruce is all over my ex-girlfriend Amy"
"I'm still married"
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:25:10am |
re: #308 Fenway_Nation
"Your ex-husband Bruce is all over my ex-girlfriend Amy"
"I'm still married"
What's that reference from, lol
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:25:30am |
re: #308 Fenway_Nation
(540): Unmistakable female orgasm noises coming from upstairs shower
(571): She must've brought a toy -- seriously doubt that he's up to the task
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:27:37am |
re: #288 redc1c4
do you one better.
when I lived in NW Portland where the pedestrians think they own the road, I was driving down 23rd at 11pm coming home from work. I had grown very hostile toward pedestrians in general, was tired and tired of of looking for parking, and had been into Carmageddon for a while. 2 girls in their early 20's were sauntering down the road, too cool for school, taking a whole block to cross the street. They looked at me coming a ways off and just returned to walking down my lane mid-block chit chatting away.
I closed my eyes as I approached and did not slow.
When I opened my eyes they were doing a very uncool looking leaping running thing to the side of me. think I caught a bit of coat with the mirror on my POS ranger.
I bet they obey walk signal and stay between the lines
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:28:24am |
re: #308 Fenway_Nation
I think that gem was from TextsFromLastNight...
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:30:06am |
re: #313 Fenway_Nation
I think that gem was from TextsFromLastNight...
I'd never seen that site before and it's hilarious!
(586): I'm eating oreos and watching porn. This is your fault.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:30:27am |
re: #306 srb1976
That's a great picture....I'm assuming yours is the handsome one right = )
(actually, just a great picture)
Dead center standing up...I met the boys when they returned from Iraq...
Nobody messes with them. They are studs that take no hostages...
When the 3/5th returned home they came home all safe and sound....
The 3/5th Marines are all studs....
Their motto is get some! When they got home at 2am there were signs everywhere at Camp P.. Yes..You gonna get some tonight! funny as hell
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:31:14am |
Ok folks, time for a quick nap before the bank run....then get the kids off to daycare.....busy day ahead anyway
Night everyone, have a great day!
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:31:54am |
re: #313 Fenway_Nation
I think that gem was from TextsFromLastNight...
that and FML are both gems i have Matrix to thank for.....
some days i'm grateful, others i'm jealous, but i'm always entertained.
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:32:17am |
There's a run on the bank?!
'Night, srb1976! :-)
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:33:07am |
re: #317 redc1c4
that and FML are both gems i have Matrix to thank for.....
some days i'm grateful, others i'm jealous, but i'm always entertained.
Two of the best sites ever, man.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:33:26am |
hmmmm... refresh button in safari is now part of the address bar and the close button for tabs appears on rollover. don't like it.
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srb1976 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:33:31am |
re: #315 HoosierHoops
You sound(I know that's not the right word....but oh well) like a very proud dad...with very good reason.
Hope all is well with him...and that it stays that way!
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:34:06am |
this one's for Sleepy B and SurferDoc:
(417): apparently i started the naked brigade. and depantsed everyone who wasn't naked. her parents must hate me.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:36:21am |
re: #323 srb1976
Ok now, good night for real! = )
Good night! That is the cutest little baby in the whole world in your Avatar..
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:41:39am |
re: #322 redc1c4
Ha! I don't know about SurferDoc, but I don't give a damn about who does or does not wear pants, as long as I retain the right to not wear mine.
G'nite Lizards. May the morning light shine favorably upon you scaly bastards, and on the freedom hungry people of Iran.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:42:46am |
re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth
Ha! I don't know about SurferDoc, but I don't give a damn about who does or does not wear pants, as long as I retain the right to not wear mine.
G'nite Lizards. May the morning light shine favorably upon you scaly bastards, and on the freedom hungry people of Iran.
Where is SurferDoc? I miss him!
| 331 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:43:15am |
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:44:25am |
'Night, red! :-)
'Night, Slumbering! :-)
| 333 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:47:29am |
re: #247 iceweasel
I don't pay attention to and don't know much about the stalker blogs and those freaks, or the backstory--but as an outside observer I have long suspected that you are a favoured target in part because you're female.
Oh, please -- it's common knowledge that Sharmuta is actually Charles in sock-puppet drag.
///stalker-talk
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:50:14am |
re: #325 redc1c4
Yow! Now there's a guy that could handle Sharmuta!
When I lived in hungary, the pudgy old men did not wander around the garden in speedo's and sandals as the do in Western Europe, it was y-fronts and flip-flops.
| 336 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:50:34am |
re: #333 Throbert McGee
Oh, please -- it's common knowledge that Sharmuta is actually Charles in sock-puppet drag.
///stalker-talk
Sharm is smart as a whip....She wields a hammer yet has kindness in her heart... Very rare today
| 337 |
The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:51:17am |
re: #333 Throbert McGee
Oh, please -- it's common knowledge that Sharmuta is actually Charles in sock-puppet drag.
///stalker-talk
*snort*
I can't keep up. Isn't Killgore also supposed to be Charles? -- I think I need my tinfoil hat adjusted, in order to better pick up the crazy-frequency waves.
What's up, Throbert? :)
| 339 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:55:15am |
re: #336 HoosierHoops
Sharm is smart as a whip....She wields a hammer yet has kindness in her heart... Very rare today
yeah, but she can get super pedantic and often continues to argue long after her position she's been obviously defeated
| 341 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:55:59am |
re: #338 littleoldlady
I'm
SparticusCharles!
Did you see the youtube Clip of Charles jamming with Stanley Clarke?
What a fucking stud...I am so jealous...Stanley fucking Clarke! Wow!
There may be not better Bass player in the the World than Stanley Clarke...
And Charles was just shredding with him...Damn
| 342 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:56:17am |
Caption This Moment:
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:56:36am |
re: #225 Sharmuta You sure he didn't say "You are too many women for 1 man to handle and it was all your personalities that are the problem" :P.
| 344 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:00:13am |
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:01:03am |
re: #338 littleoldlady
I'm
SparticusCharles!
that might be as well recognized as "23 skidoo" today.
what was that recent crap movie that had all the kids standing up saying "I'm ----blank----" at the end?
| 346 |
littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:02:08am |
re: #341 HoosierHoops
Charles is a Renaissance Man!
/...I wonder if he's still doing web design for other folks
| 347 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:02:09am |
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:02:14am |
re: #339 spidly
yeah, but she can get super pedantic and often continues to argue long after her position she's been obviously defeated
Please do not trash or judge Sharm Here....You really don't want the Hoopster to talk to you about Defeat and your version of it....
Play nice or else
| 349 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:03:29am |
re: #346 littleoldlady
Charles is a Renaissance Man!
/...I wonder if he's still doing web design for other folks
Dude can play music can't he? I am very impressed
| 351 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:09:37am |
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:12:13am |
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:12:47am |
re: #342 Fenway_Nation
Caption This Moment:
It would be DARN hard to march in those pointy high heeled shoes!
| 354 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:14:05am |
re: #353 songbird
It would be DARN hard to march in those pointy high heeled shoes!
Hey You! hope today finds you well
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:15:17am |
I have to extricate my butt from this chair... :-(
Yesterday I linked to my choice for the Barack Obama Theme Song.
Charles opened registration later in the day and I saw that someone took it for a nik! ;-)
Good day, ALL!™
| 356 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:16:23am |
re: #355 littleoldlady
I have to extricate my butt from this chair... :-(
Yesterday I linked to my choice for the Barack Obama Theme Song.
Charles opened registration later in the day and I saw that someone took it for a nik! ;-)
Good day, ALL!™
Bye love...Time to pull the boat out...Jeez..The sun is coming out
| 357 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:16:35am |
re: #348 HoosierHoops
Please do not trash or judge Sharm Here....You really don't want the Hoopster to talk to you about Defeat and your version of it....
Play nice or else
phhhht, c'mon. you serious?
| 358 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:16:39am |
re: #354 HoosierHoops
Hey You! hope today finds you well
Hi!
Just another day in late spring Maryland paradise.....not too far from Amish paradise country. LOL
Still job hunting, but plan to get serious about composing some music. I've got a choral work for treble choir and piano that has been haunting me and begging to be written down!
| 359 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:18:08am |
re: #357 spidly
phhhht, c'mon. you serious?
He's serious. We are all serious. Sharm holds a place of high honor here!
| 360 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:18:14am |
re: #357 spidly
phhhht, c'mon. you serious?
*wink* I'm on vacation..I'm allowed to say anything I want..
Hope today finds you well...Heheheheh
| 361 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:19:56am |
re: #358 songbird
Hi!
Just another day in late spring Maryland paradise.....not too far from Amish paradise country. LOL
Still job hunting, but plan to get serious about composing some music. I've got a choral work for treble choir and piano that has been haunting me and begging to be written down!
every morning I wake up.I have a song in my head...what's up with that shit? LOL
| 362 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:21:19am |
re: #360 HoosierHoops
*wink* I'm on vacation..I'm allowed to say anything I want..
Hope today finds you well...Heheheheh
How is that restful vacation doing?
Is it a bit cooler than usual there this year? I've heard that the weather has been different. Even people in my are have been saying it is colder and wetter here in MD this spring. My hubby, who is from this area, said it was a strange spring. So much for Global Warming!
| 363 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:21:25am |
re: #357 spidly
phhhht, c'mon. you serious?
I'm dead serious..Don't you ever trash that lady...You feeling me?
| 364 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:21:27am |
re: #359 songbird
He's serious. We are all serious. Sharm holds a place of high honor here!
She thinks she's all special because of her atomic Karma.
Because she is.
| 365 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:22:22am |
re: #361 HoosierHoops
every morning I wake up.I have a song in my head...what's up with that shit? LOL
We are gonna need a Vulcan mind meld for me to hear that music!
/be afraid! be very afraid!
| 366 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:22:48am |
re: #362 songbird
How is that restful vacation doing?
Is it a bit cooler than usual there this year? I've heard that the weather has been different. Even people in my are have been saying it is colder and wetter here in MD this spring. My hubby, who is from this area, said it was a strange spring. So much for Global Warming!
It's raining. Can you believe it? I'm still going to cruise the lake in the boat..
Stupid rain
| 367 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:23:35am |
So, Hoosier's idea of a fun vacation is
1. Never going to bed...
2. Getting up at obscene hours...
Which is it, you nut-job?
| 368 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:23:45am |
re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Good morning, FBV!
How are things?
| 369 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:24:36am |
re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She thinks she's all special because of her atomic Karma.
Because she is.
atomic personality, I'll grant
| 370 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:24:56am |
re: #368 songbird
Up a little earlier than I need to be...but...it's good (ish).
| 371 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:25:18am |
re: #367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, Hoosier's idea of a fun vacation is
1. Never going to bed...
2. Getting up at obscene hours...Which is it, you nut-job?
I got up at 4am...It's raining this morning..Should I cruise the boat or cook breakfast...The jury is out... Hi Veggie!
| 372 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:25:59am |
re: #368 songbird
Business is very not good. Pocketbooks hurting. Killing my sleep cycle.
Worry is not my strong suit.
| 374 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:26:41am |
re: #366 HoosierHoops
It's raining. Can you believe it? I'm still going to cruise the lake in the boat..
Stupid rain
Oh Man! Any hope for it clearing up? And don't rock the boat!
| 375 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:26:44am |
re: #371 HoosierHoops
I got up at 4am...It's raining this morning..Should I cruise the boat or cook breakfast or GO BACK TO BED!...The jury is out... Hi Veggie!
Well, if I were to vote....
| 376 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:26:45am |
| 377 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:27:40am |
Yahoo news says they're gonna re-count some votes in Iran.
| 378 |
jim in virginia Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:28:08am |
Morning all, songbird, FBV, Hoosier. How's tricks?
Songbird, where in MD did you wind up? Frederick?
| 379 |
rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:28:43am |
re: #376 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, doing really good thanks, and you?
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jim in virginia Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:28:47am |
re: #371 HoosierHoops
I got up at 4am...It's raining this morning..Should I cruise the boat or cook breakfast...The jury is out... Hi Veggie!
Cook breakfast, we'll be right over.
| 381 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:29:20am |
re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Business is very not good. Pocketbooks hurting. Killing my sleep cycle.
Worry is not my strong suit.
So sorry to hear that!
| 382 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:30:29am |
re: #378 jim in virginia
Morning all, songbird, FBV, Hoosier. How's tricks?
Songbird, where in MD did you wind up? Frederick?
Hi Jim. I'm in Hagerstown temporarily, maybe. We are talking about living in WV in the Harpers Ferry or Charles Town area. Hubby is working just south of Frederick.
| 384 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:31:42am |
re: #379 rightside
Hey Hoops, doing really good thanks, and you?
Doing great.....I'm having a few issues with my Internet Connection up here but still..Hope today finds you well..Wish it would stop raining while I'm on vacation....But...To be expected
| 385 |
jim in virginia Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:31:59am |
re: #382 songbird
Hi Jim. I'm in Hagerstown temporarily, maybe. We are talking about living in WV in the Harpers Ferry or Charles Town area. Hubby is working just south of Frederick.
All very bucolic. Hope you guys are settling in well.
| 386 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:32:05am |
oh shit, forgot. I'm supposed to be starting the new job sometime this week with
Allied Armament
I'll be the TIG guy breathing new life into surplus arms... if it doesn't fall through.
| 387 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:32:13am |
re: #371 HoosierHoops Fry some eggs then hop on the boat. If the weather has cleared some that is. Not that sailing in hte rain is bad just most people don't enjoy being out in the weather.
| 388 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:33:12am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only those from Strong dinner jacket areas of course which will prove the numbers were correct.
| 389 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:33:38am |
re: #382 songbird
Antietam Battlefield is just a few miles from you...very cool/sad place.
There is a very, very good chili restaurant in Frederick. Called "Hard Times Cafe". Very good chili (they even have a vegetarian chili burger that is fantastic). In a strip mall, but really good.
| 390 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:33:40am |
re: #385 jim in virginia
All very bucolic. Hope you guys are settling in well.
Thank you! It has been peaceful since the end of a tumultuous school year. Now I'm getting my ducks in a row and looking for work out here.
| 391 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:34:10am |
re: #382 songbird
Charles town isn't that the urban center lizardville is a suburb of?
| 392 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:34:32am |
Good morning all, I have been home for a month now and I have not visited lgf regularly since returning from the land of land of submission.
You take so much for granted until you are living in the lands of submission.
Here at home even the air feels free.
| 394 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:35:00am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yahoo news says they're gonna re-count some votes in Iran.
Let's hope achmedinejad has not met with Franken, Gregoire, and ACORN
| 395 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:35:40am |
re: #387 rustler
Fry some eggs then hop on the boat. If the weather has cleared some that is. Not that sailing in hte rain is bad just most people don't enjoy being out in the weather.
Oct 2005 We wanted to have a special Vacation so We flew to San Diego and spent a week on a Sailboat learning to Sail...It was really cool...I can sail a sailboat...kindof, sortof,,well you know
| 396 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:35:52am |
re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Antietam Battlefield is just a few miles from you...very cool/sad place.
There is a very, very good chili restaurant in Frederick. Called "Hard Times Cafe". Very good chili (they even have a vegetarian chili burger that is fantastic). In a strip mall, but really good.
We will have to visit that Hard Times Cafe! Sounds great!
I drove through Sharpsburg the other day through the battlefield. It is sacred ground. The Maryland Symphony is performing there on July 4 - playing the 1812 overture with real cannons! We will be there!
| 398 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:36:25am |
re: #385 jim in virginia
All very bucolic. Hope you guys are settling in well.
Bucolic just does not sound like its definition.
| 399 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:36:45am |
re: #394 spidly
Let's hope ahmadinejad has not met with Franken, Gregoire, and ACORN
Does it really matter?
Isn't the outcome a foregone conclusion?
| 400 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:37:05am |
re: #392 shanec99
Good morning all, I have been home for a month now and I have not visited lgf regularly since returning from the land of land of submission.
You take so much for granted until you are living in the lands of submission.
Here at home even the air feels free.
What were you doing over there?
| 401 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:37:56am |
re: #400 songbird
US military assignment in the GWOT. Operation Enduring Freedom.
| 402 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:38:20am |
re: #397 rustler
Ahh your is a motor Boat?
stupid 14' fishing boat....
here fishy fishies...Hop in the boat...Dang fish
| 403 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:38:28am |
re: #396 songbird
Cool.
Really, I like Hard-Times. Right on the main drag into town. First exit into Frederick off of 70 (coming from H-town)
Cannons? No shit? Too cool.
My great-great grandfather died there. Fighting for the...the... good guys.
| 404 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:39:07am |
re: #401 shanec99
US military assignment in the GWOT. Operation Enduring Freedom.
Thank you and God bless you. Glad you are back safe! Yes, the air feels free here!
| 405 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:40:48am |
re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cool.
Really, I like Hard-Times. Right on the main drag into town. First exit into Frederick off of 70 (coming from H-town)
Cannons? No shit? Too cool.
My great-great grandfather died there. Fighting for the...the... good guys.
They will probably be firing blanks, but who cares! I want to hear the booming and the smoke in that Tchaikovsky work!
Thanks for the directions! Where are you located anyways?
| 406 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:40:58am |
re: #404 songbird
Thank you and God bless you. Glad you are back safe! Yes, the air feels free here!
I am grateful for your sentiment and well wishes, but after being there I prefer to say God bless America.
| 407 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:40:58am |
re: #401 shanec99
Thanks for your service. You in the "Marley Brigade"?
| 408 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:41:30am |
re: #405 songbird
Down the road a piece. Roanoke, VA. The Star City of the South!
| 409 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:41:33am |
re: #386 spidly
Where do those G3/HK91-looking things hail from? Spain? Mexico?
| 410 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:41:36am |
re: #406 shanec99
I am grateful for your sentiment and well wishes, but after being there I prefer to say God bless America.
You are da man! Thank you sir!
| 411 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:41:41am |
re: #402 HoosierHoops
stupid 14' fishing boat....
here fishy fishies...Hop in the boat...Dang fish
The fish like the rain! Makes them think a million bugs are landing on the lake just for them!
| 412 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:42:06am |
re: #406 shanec99
I am grateful for your sentiment and well wishes, but after being there I prefer to say God bless America.
AMEN
| 413 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:42:50am |
re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No just a Jamaican immigrant who serves in the US military. Grew up listening to Bob Marley.
| 414 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:43:09am |
re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Down the road a piece. Roanoke, VA. The Star City of the South!
My husband pastored a church there in another time and another life.
| 415 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:44:07am |
re: #414 songbird
Seriously? Neat. Love it here. "Big enough to hide, small enough to be seen."
| 416 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:44:25am |
This girl's got stones:
| 417 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:45:31am |
re: #416 Jimmah
"I wish they all could be Iranian...Girls...."
| 418 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:45:55am |
re: #416 Jimmah
This girl's got stones:
[Link: i9.photobucket.com...]
What's kicking Chicken? Hope today finds you well
| 419 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:46:41am |
re: #415 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Seriously? Neat. Love it here. "Big enough to hide, small enough to be seen."
He did not like it much. His denomination was trying to drum him out as he was on the conservative side....actually just held his treasurer accountable and a rich paritioner paid 30 pieces of silver to get him moved. Hubby called it a "punishment" charge to be placed in a church with "six mean grandmas holding hands and waiting to die".
| 420 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:47:00am |
re: #399 shanec99
Does it really matter?
Isn't the outcome a foregone conclusion?
I dunno. I do want the people who want reform to get what they want even though I don't think there's a hell of a lot of difference between the candidates. But then I worry that Mousavi being elected will falsely placate those Iranian who want real reform, and give addition license to Western leaders believing themselves to be the Messiah to put even more pressure on Israel to pursue pointless diplomatic means of stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions, and delaying the needed bombing of the centrifuges beyond the point of no return.
| 421 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:47:45am |
re: #419 songbird
Hey! He was at my church?
"Pretty buildings full of sick and hurting people" as a pastor friend of mine likes to say.
| 422 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:48:44am |
re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Home of the O. Winston Link Museum?
And that excerable turd of a columnist Christian Trebjal?
| 423 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:49:18am |
re: #401 shanec99
US military assignment in the GWOT. Operation Enduring Freedom.
I'm in the north, so it's not so bad. Still, miss my wife & son. Not much longer now. :-)
| 424 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:49:40am |
re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey! He was at my church?
"Pretty buildings full of sick and hurting people" as a pastor friend of mine likes to say.
LOL How would I know! I would hope there's a spark of life in some of the churches there!
| 425 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:50:07am |
re: #416 Jimmah CGI. blockpage objectionable material. Is the picture that graphic or did I not realize New Mexico was in Iran so hte protest stuff has to be blocked?
| 426 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:50:38am |
| 427 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:50:39am |
re: #423 haakondahl
I'm in the north, so it's not so bad. Still, miss my wife & son. Not much longer now. :-)
May God bless you and keep you safe from Harm...
| 428 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:51:30am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yahoo news says they're gonna re-count some votes in Iran.
Which is useless, as the tampering seems to have been done enroute between polling places and counting stations. They can re-count all day long, but this does not address the problem.
I heard this only once, and I don't even recall where, but boxes which arrived at counting stations arrived in two styles--intact seals, which went for Mousavi, and broken seals, which went to Ahmadinejad.
| 429 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:51:54am |
re: #422 Fenway_Nation
Yes
and
I do not know who the other guy is. I am part of the Newspaper recession (I don't buy one anymore).
| 431 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:52:41am |
re: #420 spidly
I dunno. I do want the people who want reform to get what they want even though I don't think there's a hell of a lot of difference between the candidates. But then I worry that Mousavi being elected will falsely placate those Iranian who want real reform, and give addition license to Western leaders believing themselves to be the Messiah to put even more pressure on Israel to pursue pointless diplomatic means of stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions, and delaying the needed bombing of the centrifuges beyond the point of no return.
My friend if you believe that real reform will occur in Iran without the clerics approving of the changes I would like to hear your reasoning. Iran is a theocracy, and the real power behind the Islamic Republic's fist rest with the conservative Ayatollah's and the structure they oversee.
Reformist politicians in Iran have about as much influence on Iran's behavior as the election of a small town mayor does on US foreign policy.
Nothing will change until the Ayatollahs lose their strangle hold on power.
| 432 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:54:46am |
Khamenei's call for patience Monday came as gunfire from a pro-government militia base adjacent to the demonstration erupted. State radio announced today that seven people had been killed after trying to "attack a military site," a reference to the clash between semiofficial pro-government militiamen and protesters as the demonstration petered out.
| 433 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:55:07am |
re: #425 rustler
No, it's not 'graphic' in that sense at all. I uploaded it to my photobucket - see if you can access it here: Image: Tehran-March-17.jpg
| 434 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:55:28am |
re: #423 haakondahl
Good for you, but lest anyone mistake, I was not in Afghanistan, I was in Muslim East Africa (in the area where the fools who are involved in piracy and bombed our East African Embassy came from).
| 435 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:55:45am |
| 436 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:55:45am |
re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Columnist for one of the Roanoke papers that compared local conceal-carry permit holders to child molesters and published their names and adresses on the newspaper's webiste.
I'd urge you to boycott, but it looks like you're s step ahead of me.
| 437 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:55:53am |
re: #430 songbird
And the wide eyed "This is wonderful, exciting AND dangerous" look in her eyes!
Yes - it's like "Wow we are really doing this!"
| 438 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:56:26am |
re: #433 Jimmah Nope Photo bucket is blocked here at work. Was the original from Photo bucket as well?
| 439 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:57:18am |
re: #435 HoosierHoops Good You missed him yesterday? He was on yesterday for a bit around this time?
| 440 |
shanec99 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:57:54am |
re: #438 rustler
Hey Rustler, long time no see. How is Rancher and the Hotel business?
| 441 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:58:12am |
re: #427 HoosierHoops
May God bless you and keep you safe from Harm...
Thanks buddy. Pretty good bunch of folks here, and I really feel attached to our locals as well. More on all of this later. Much much more.
| 442 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:59:20am |
Yes - it was actually a photobucket link posted on a Daily Kos page. Bugger.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:00:05am |
re: #409 Fenway_Nation
Where do those G3/HK91-looking things hail from? Spain? Mexico?
I don't know. I've just been out to the shop once and seen a bit of what I'll be doing. The current lot coming is a subcontract with Century and may include some CETME .308's - the first batch are the 7.62 equivs of the Cetme .308 but I can't remember what the hell they are .
I thought those HK91 type things were flowing out of Brazil.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:00:31am |
re: #439 rustler
Good You missed him yesterday? He was on yesterday for a bit around this time?
This time yesterday? I was flying Midwest Connect up to Reindlander, Wisc.
Poor little Winston.. It costs 80 bucks to fly a dog on the Saab plane..
He is acting trashed.LOL
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:01:07am |
re: #439 rustler
I almost asked you (yesterday!) to never change your avatar.
The Shark/Kitteh is one of my all time faves!
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:02:40am |
re: #440 shanec99
I'm seriously thinking about quitting. I got written up because over the weekend we were at 95% occupancy due to 2 rooms being out of order was checking in people til 3 AM then had to run system back up etc. Got written up for failing to inventory the Sweet Shop when I had no time to do it based off having to early in my shift do everything the 2 prior shifts neglected to do. On a weekly basis new tasks from day shift show up on Night audits to do list and I'm getting really sick of it. I also had a 2nd offence on the write up because the breakfast cook who never gets the initials danish trays ready at the end of her shift like she is supposed to so I can do initial set up complained because she had to restock an hour after my shift ended so I must not have done my job right. So if I have another write up wednesday night after my single day off I will be tendering my resignation with a vengeance.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:02:53am |
re: #434 shanec99
Good for you, but lest anyone mistake, I was not in Afghanistan, I was in Muslim East Africa (in the area where the fools who are involved in piracy and bombed our East African Embassy came from).
Ah. And of course, we no longer say GWOT. We are engaged in the glorious Overseas Contingency Operation, comrade.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:03:14am |
re: #443 spidly
The Mexican Army is apparently decomissioning their inventory of G3 rifles- but given the circumstances in Mexico today, the smart thing to do would be to cut them up or sell them to another country...otherwise they'd just wind up in the narcotraficante's posession....like other military-grade weapons tend to do.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:03:44am |
re: #436 Fenway_Nation
Roanoke Times decided to stop endorsing candidates a few years ago. Which I did not mind.
Roanoke Times had 0bama on the front page, just about every day for 3 months.
I get the crossword from someone who doesn't work the puzzle and spend no monies with them.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:03:59am |
re: #428 haakondahl
haakondahl-- I saw an account like that also and can't recall where. It was eyewitness testimony from one of the people who count the ballots; he or she reported that 70 boxes were delivered to wherever he was, and 30 had their seals broken. The election workers were told that the seals 'split in transit' in the truck.
Oddly, Mousavi was leading in the sealed boxes-- but in the unsealed ones the votes were all for ahmadinejad.
I can't recall where I saw this; I know it was somewhere that has had good (i.e. reliable) coverage though.
Certainly supports your claim that a recount won't necessarily help because some of the tampering happened along the way to the initial count.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:04:07am |
Good morning.
The futures are pointing to the market opening on the upside as bargain hunting takes place after yesterday's drop.
The drop in the market yesterday was not so much a big sell off as it was a lack of buyers. Investors are looking for reasons to buy and not finding any. Obama's lecturing the AMA about nationalizing health care (I know, he denies it but we all know that is exactly what he is going to do) did not help.
At this point the market is looking for signs of real economic growth and is not finding any.
I think that is a comment that I will be writing often over the next 3.5 years.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:06:34am |
Good Morning LGF.
If Iran out of steam,
I'd come up short
By a revolution or two.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:07:03am |
re: #443 spidly You mean the Nato standard 7.62x51 which is a close fit to .308 rounds? They fire the same projectile but NATO/mil spec rounds have a thicker casing to better handle the higher pressures associated with the rounds?(I.E. can fire .308 rounds from an M-60 if you need to but I wouldn't pop a 7.62 into my 308 due to the chance of catastophic receiver failure.)(or .223 and 5.56 rounds for that matter allthough most ruger mini-14's are Mil Spec) Or did you mean you didn't know hte fire arm not the round.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:07:26am |
re: #431 shanec99
My friend if you believe that real reform will occur in Iran without the clerics approving of the changes I would like to hear your reasoning. Iran is a theocracy, and the real power behind the Islamic Republic's fist rest with the conservative Ayatollah's and the structure they oversee.
Reformist politicians in Iran have about as much influence on Iran's behavior as the election of a small town mayor does on US foreign policy.
Nothing will change until the Ayatollahs lose their strangle hold on power.
well there's the thing. I really don't think it will.... unless this thing gets so big that the mullahs capitulate or are taken out. Both the candidates are mullah approved. I hate to say it but I really hope that Achmedinejad so the people stay pissed off, and western leaders cannot say there is hope and change afoot in Iran. I don't think anything would really change in Iran with the election of Mousavi. I think it'd just buy the mullahs time to build a bomb.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:07:29am |
By the way, has the smartest woman ever born, our Secretary of State, commented on Iran lately?
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:08:16am |
re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'll bring Fluffy back soon just wanted to play with the Jesus Lizard some(Basilisk Lizard is actual name called jesus lizard because it walks on water.)
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:08:23am |
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:08:33am |
re: #432 rustler
Rustler, here is that pic if you were not able to access it via usual means:
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:09:22am |
re: #451 3 wood
Obama's lecturing the AMA about nationalizing health care
0bama's lecturing the {insert organization here} ______ about nationailizing {insert relevant industry here} _______
Each and every time 0bama opens his mouth, that's all you'd need.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:09:51am |
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:11:28am |
re: #460 songbird Thanks that one worked. No clue why the original said offensive materials. The second one actually came back with the normal photo bucket blocked message.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:13:25am |
re: #450 iceweasel
haakondahl-- I saw an account like that also and can't recall where. It was eyewitness testimony from one of the people who count the ballots; he or she reported that 70 boxes were delivered to wherever he was, and 30 had their seals broken. The election workers were told that the seals 'split in transit' in the truck.
Oddly, Mousavi was leading in the sealed boxes-- but in the unsealed ones the votes were all for ahmadinejad.I can't recall where I saw this; I know it was somewhere that has had good (i.e. reliable) coverage though.
Certainly supports your claim that a recount won't necessarily help because some of the tampering happened along the way to the initial count.
Hey! That's Oregon, but with our fraud by mail voting most of the ballots are eliminated behind closed doors. Only a few boxes disappear into the Willamette River, or are "found" in a poll worker's trunk. Always R's in the river, D's in the trunk.... curious.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:13:51am |
Defaults Pose Latest Snag In Islamic-Bond Market
LONDON -- The once-booming market for Islamic-friendly bonds, having suffered a contraction amid the credit crisis, now faces a new challenge: default.The fledgling market in recent months experienced its first two defaults, and they aren't expected to be the last as issuers like Saad Group hit financial difficulties. This is taking investors and courts into uncharted territory as they seek to apply Western laws to bonds that were designed to comply with Islamic law, or Shariah.
Can you imagine what the collection policy for these people is?
Watch, I bet they will apply to the Fed's for a bail out and get it.
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Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:14:24am |
re: #438 rustler
Nope Photo bucket is blocked here at work. Was the original from Photo bucket as well?
You should be able to see a smaller version of the same pic here - first pic in the article:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Interesting article as well.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:14:29am |
Time for me to get going....
you lizards play nice!
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:15:20am |
Wow. Sorry bout the myspace link. Feel like I just bumbled into the women's bathroom in a bus station between a trailer park and juvie hall.
Shivering.
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:16:16am |
re: #463 rustler
Thanks that one worked. No clue why the original said offensive materials. The second one actually came back with the normal photo bucket blocked message.
Maybe it was just the photobucket links that were blocked for you. Blogger is usually benign.(although there can be pretty questionable stuff on individual blogs) I was able to get it on my school computer even though Barracuda was extremely active in filtering our school district computers!
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:17:24am |
re: #465 3 wood
Defaults Pose Latest Snag In Islamic-Bond Market
Can you imagine what the collection policy for these people is?
Watch, I bet they will apply to the Fed's for a bail out and get it.
yes, but secured lenders will get a couple percent at best, the UAW will get a 30% payout , and the US taxpayer will have to make good on it
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Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:18:07am |
From that article: [Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
If that was the plan, it didn’t survive Ahmadinejad’s blatant and preposterous falsification of the election. This was not a rigging, like Milosevic or Mugabe might attempt, by inflating turnout in the countryside and achieving just enough of an edge to force a run-off. For the results to have been credible we would have to believe that the millions who stayed away from the polls last time in disgust at the manipulation of the system against change had suddenly been transmuted into lovers of Ahmadinejad. The official ‘results’ claimed that Ahmadinejad had won amongst the Kurds. Even Mugabe didn’t pretend to win Matabeleland. Worse, the results were announced – despite the alleged record turnout – just a couple of hours after polls closed, from an interior ministry ringed by security forces to a country whose mobile phone networks had been switched off. There’s a word for this in Persian: koodetat. It doesn’t need translation, just say it out loud.
Iran’s constitutional theocracy had been torn up.
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The Left Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:18:50am |
re: #468 haakondahl
Wow. Sorry bout the myspace link. Feel like I just bumbled into the women's bathroom in a bus station between a trailer park and juvie hall.
Shivering.
I was kinda wondering about that.... but i linked the Family Guy Character Quiz I found on that site, so it's all good.
(BTW, I did score as a Brian.)
you're well-read and erudite, but sometimes you pee on the carpet.
"Whose leg do you have to hump to get a dry martini around here?"
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:19:34am |
re: #469 songbird Yeah was just thinking it was odd it came back as offensive when normally it just says photobucket blocked because it's personal storage or something along those lines.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:22:01am |
tic..tic..tic... Jumblat: Netanyahu Gave Us a War Speech; Lebanon Must Strengthen Its Defenses
[...]
Outlining his Middle East peace policy, Netanyahu endorsed Sunday for the first time the creation of a Palestinian state, provided it was demilitarized and that Palestinians recognize the Jewish character of Israel."Any talk about Israel (being recognized) as a Jewish state means closing the file on the (right of) return and entering a new process of internal displacement of the Palestinians – essentially leading to more Judaization in the West Bank," Jumblat said.
Morning folks.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:22:38am |
re: #472 iceweasel
Later when I get home I'm gonna take it. Why do i get the feeling I'm going to be classified as Evil Monkey instead of Chill Monkey.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:23:29am |
re: #465 3 wood
Defaults Pose Latest Snag In Islamic-Bond Market
Can you imagine what the collection policy for these people is?
Watch, I bet they will apply to the Fed's for a bail out and get it.
The Islamic-Bond Market...sounds like a title for a cheesy SM flick.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:24:00am |
ObamaMotors is selling off more assets overseas:
G.M. Announces Deal to Sell Saab
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden's Koenigsegg, maker of some of the world's most expensive sports cars, has struck a deal to buy loss-making Saab Automobile from General Motors, the companies said on Tuesday.
In one of the most unlikely pairings in automotive history, the tiny sports car firm of 45 staff is expected to take over a company that employs around 3,400 staff, a cherished Swedish brand that became a national icon for stability and reliability.
GM Europe said on its website the deal included an expected $600 million of financing from the European Investment Bank, which would be guaranteed by the Swedish government.
If this was Bush selling these assets off overseas he would be getting crucified by the MSM, this would be one of the leading stories on the nightly news and on the front page of most newspapers, right next to the headlines that Bush's foreign policy failures is leading to the violence in Iran.
By the way, yesterday I got a letter in the mail form GM thanking me for being a customer.
I have not owned a GM product since 1999.
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rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:25:59am |
re: #456 3 wood
She is still looking for it on google maps.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:26:02am |
re: #454 rustler
You mean the Nato standard 7.62x51 which is a close fit to .308 rounds? They fire the same projectile but NATO/mil spec rounds have a thicker casing to better handle the higher pressures associated with the rounds?(I.E. can fire .308 rounds from an M-60 if you need to but I wouldn't pop a 7.62 into my 308 due to the chance of catastophic receiver failure.)(or .223 and 5.56 rounds for that matter allthough most ruger mini-14's are Mil Spec) Or did you mean you didn't know hte fire arm not the round.
well then they are CETME's. some will be .308 specific.
I was not aware of the difference.
I did know the diff on .223 v 5.56... 20 some percent increase in pressure, and slightly different shape on the casing even though same head space. (I got the RRA wylde chamber so I wouldn't have to worry)
it'd be the chamber that'd fail not the receiver though, right?
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:28:41am |
re: #477 3 wood
By the way, yesterday I got a letter in the mail form GM thanking me for being a customer.
I have not owned a GM product since 1999.
Waste of a good stamp! And how much could they have saved by not sending out that letter to people like you?
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UncleRancher Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:30:41am |
re: #456 3 wood
By the way, has the smartest woman ever born, our Secretary of State, commented on Iran lately?
Actually she did say something about Iran elections the other day. She said it like it was profound but it was a lawyerly non-statement. Completely unremarkable.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:30:50am |
Alright--"break" is over--back to work. Stay Scaly.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:31:59am |
re: #249 spidly
WTF? You're not going passive enough woman too handle now, are you?
You know- I'd like to tell you something profane at this moment. I should have known not to say something so personal because for me- it's not fodder for humor. The day I become passive will be the day I die, so shove it.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:32:57am |
Back when I was on the receiving end of racial discrimination, it was to me not simply a personal misfortune, or even the misfortune of a race, it was a moral outrage. But not everyone who went through such an experience sees it that way.When it comes to subjecting other people to the same treatment in a later era, some have no real problem with that. They see it as pay-back.
One of the many problems of the pay-back approach is that many of the people who most deserve retribution are no longer alive. You can take symbolic revenge on people who look like them but this removes the whole moral element. If it is all right to discriminate today against individuals who have done you no harm, then why was it wrong to discriminate against you in the past?
These are not just abstract questions. These are serious, real world questions, especially when considering someone to be given a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court of the United States.
Some judicial nominees have had racial bias attributed to them, despite their years of unwavering support of civil rights for all-- Judge Robert Bork and Judge Charles Pickering being striking examples. But the current Supreme Court nominee is the first in decades to explicitly introduce racial differences in their own words, along with the claim that their own racial or ethnic background makes them better qualified.
Attempts to claim that Judge Sonia Sotomayor's words were isolated remarks-- a slip of the tongue "taken out of context"-- have now been discredited by further information showing that she has repeatedly expressed the same ideas, in virtually the same words, at other times and in other contexts.
Moreover, her deeds-- including years of participation in group identity politics-- are perfectly consistent with her words. So too was her vote on the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals to summarily dismiss the appeal of white firefighters who did not get the promotions they had earned by passing a required test, because not enough minority firefighters passed to provide racial "diversity."
The Supreme Court of the United States found that appeal worth hearing, even if Judge Sotomayor did not.
The warm and genial image of Sonia Sotomayor presented on television, during President Obama's introduction and afterwards, is in sharp contrast with what attorneys who have appeared before her in court have said.
A poll of such attorneys showed them rating her worse than other judges in her treatment of those who appeared before her. A tape of Judge Sotomayor's abusive behavior in court backed up the attorneys' picture. It is also consistent with someone in pay-back mode. ...
Equality or Pay-back?
By Thomas Sowell
Guaranteeing that justice won't be blind.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:33:24am |
re: #479 spidly
Saw some Chamber fails, But by far seemed like more receiver fails.(mostly upper receiver)
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:34:57am |
re: #484 Sharmuta
Morning Sharm. Enjoy your couple hour nap?
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UncleRancher Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:37:42am |
re: #485 J.D.
Nobody says it better than Thomas Sowell.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:39:57am |
Look for the price of oil to rise today as the dollar is dropping again.
Part of that is cause the Chinese are dumping dollars now. Looks like they did not believe Geithner.
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:40:11am |
Mornin Lizardim,
today should be a great day. Woke up with thunder in my eyes and a growl upon my lips. Should be a most marvelous magical day.
Good thing today is the day I deal with a lot of people :P
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J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:40:23am |
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rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:45:34am |
re: #489 3 wood
But..but...but he was THE ONLY person who understood the problem, and THE ONLY one who knows how to fix it!
/////I could do a better job, and I know nothing of economics.
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UncleRancher Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:45:54am |
I see Letterman is still on the job. How much longer are we going to put up with that?
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:46:00am |
re: #486 rustler
Saw some Chamber fails, But by far seemed like more receiver fails.(mostly upper receiver)
I was there for about an hour and they brought a bunch of parts out. what I think I'll be doing is: pressing barrel into the chamber, fusing that unit to the front end of the receiver and at two points just forward of the charging handle position opposite sides, and welding re-claimed sights onto the new receiver. then misc assembly.
wish I had bought a bunch of stuff last year. My 350 dollar WASR is now selling north of 550, and my 700 RRA AR15 that I put together is going for better than 1200.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:46:43am |
re: #492 rightside
Dude most lizards could handle the problem better after a 3 day bender while still violating the Iron Fist rule.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:48:59am |
re: #492 rightside
But..but...but he was THE ONLY person who understood the problem, and THE ONLY one who knows how to fix it!/////I could do a better job, and I know nothing of economics.
There is not much more you could do to damage our economy long term than what he has done in his first 6 months.
Our grandchildren will be burdened with this.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:49:55am |
re: #494 spidly
Not talking about the G3 in reference to the reciever fails but rather from Idiots who were firing Mil Spec rounds from their home hunting rifles. G3's (if they are actual G3's and not civ versions with the look) should be Milspec and able to handle the pressures.
| 501 |
rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:50:45am |
re: #497 rightside
We are negotiating his contract atm he wants an extra PETA member a day for Likeness usage rights.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:50:49am |
re: #483 Sharmuta
You know- I'd like to tell you something profane at this moment. I should have known not to say something so personal because for me- it's not fodder for humor. The day I become passive will be the day I die, so shove it.
That's better, claws out and hostile.... thought maybe you'd been dosed with special K or something.
| 503 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:58:58am |
Today is going to be a difficult day:
StopAhmadi:
It seems that Kayhan News (pro-regime) hinting that Ahmadi-supporters 2day will go 2 make bloodbath n fight #gr88
Mousavi was hinting that he cannot "control" whether ppl will go 2 protest or not #gr88 #iranelection
Radio Farda: Doesn't matter what Mousavi says & preventing ppl not to go, ppl WILL GO like yesterday #gr88
If the so-called pro-Ahmadi's R those foreign arab-speaking forces, then ppl will beat hell out of them #gr88
PersianKiwi:
gov now worried - anything could happen 2day - ebody be very carefull - stay in big groups #Iranelection
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UncleRancher Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:02:52am |
It's time to water the punkin' patch. Later.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:05:57am |
re: #500 rustler
Not talking about the G3 in reference to the reciever fails but rather from Idiots who were firing Mil Spec rounds from their home hunting rifles. G3's (if they are actual G3's and not civ versions with the look) should be Milspec and able to handle the pressures.
I don't own one and haven't looked into owning one (yet) so I know precisely f**k all about them. Unfortunately, I've only learned about the guns I own (and that I have debated about buying) and the associated chamberings.
The big exception was the WASR... trunk gun...7.62...I can piss on it and throw rocks down the barrel and it'll still fire...
Guess I should learn about them, since I'll likely own one that I've built soon.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:06:10am |
re: #503 reine.de.tout
gov now worried - anything could happen 2day - ebody be very carefull - stay in big groups #Iranelection
Anything could happen, indeed. If the people can hold to their courage and will throughout today - and I've no doubt that today will be the toughest day yet for these brave hearts - then they've got more than a fighting chance at pulling this off.
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:07:49am |
Good morning. BHO at the AMA yesterday in Chicago mentioned that doctors have to practice defensively due to large judgements.
Then he turns around & says that he does not support tort reform.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:10:40am |
re: #507 thedopefishlives
Hopefully protesters staying in large groups doesn't mean the Baseej and riot Police will start tossing grenades and opening fire. I'd like to see some video if at all possible about the 7 dead who were supposedly in a group attacking a military establishment. It was a militia compunds and the protesters were doing so at a nearby school I think is what I had read. Given that a large Number of the Baseej are college aged men and men to old to remain in the Army I'm curious if the militia compound might not have been where the Baseej at that campus met similar to a ROTC building or Compound on an American Campus.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:10:54am |
re: #493 UncleRancher
I see Letterman is still on the job. How much longer are we going to put up with that?
I'd be happy if he'd just go back to the old Chris Elliot days when the show was funny. F**ckin 'ell, you could seamlessly replace him with maureen dowd now.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:12:22am |
re: #493 UncleRancher
What's your view on the Maher betrayal of Zero? I'm getting a kick out of it Fox was cheering CNN seemed condemnatory.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:14:21am |
crap... dowd would work but that's not who I was thinking of. Old old toadish white house correspondent lady...what the hell is..
Helen Thomas
She'd be more entertaining
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:15:19am |
re: #509 rustler
Given the way Iranian propaganda works, I'm taking everything I hear out of the media with a very large grain of salt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Baseej decided to try to spoil the protesters' party, they got stomped on, and they opened fire in retaliation.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:17:54am |
re: #513 thedopefishlives Yeah I'll believe em on 7 dead and many wounded as a baseline number but the details about it being because the protesters attacked I'll take with a shaker of salt. It's got a good chance of being rancid enough to need it. Like I said tho I'd love to see video of the attack so I can make my own judgement.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:19:42am |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:20:08am |
OK I know this has been discussed, but why is Judith Miller all of a sudden on FOX. Who does she work for these days?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:21:05am |
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:21:34am |
Does watching the Difference between coverage on the LA Championship celebrations compared to the Penguins Championship Parade speak a lot about the respective cities?
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quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:21:53am |
re: #516 Nevergiveup
Miller is now a scholar on the First Amendment and national security issues for the Manhattan Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:22:12am |
15:01 Hamas denies reports of attempt to assassinate Carter in Gaza (Haaretz)
Yawn!
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:22:35am |
re: #519 quickjustice
Miller is now a scholar on the First Amendment and national security issues for the Manhattan Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank.
Thank you
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:22:57am |
re: #520 Nevergiveup
15:01 Hamas denies reports of attempt to assassinate Carter in Gaza (Haaretz)
Yawn!
Are the perps killer rabbits?
| 524 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:24:37am |
Report: 2 U.S. Reporters Admit Entering N. Korea
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I wonder if they were read their Miranda Rights before they were threatened with that red hot poker?
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:25:07am |
re: #523 buzzsawmonkey
Yeah I won't call for him to be censored I will however call for anyone else who found his remarks offensive and non apology almost worse to join me in not viewing any of his networks programming. Let their marketing dollars speak to them.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:26:05am |
re: #526 rustler
Yeah I won't call for him to be censored I will however call for anyone else who found his remarks offensive and non apology almost worse to join me in not viewing any of his networks programming. Let their marketing dollars speak to them.
I wasn't really aware CBS was still a functioning network?
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:26:24am |
re: #523 buzzsawmonkey
As long as his employers care to keep him.
It's his right to be a jerk--a right he has fully exercised for years--and it is our right not to watch him being one.
If Letterman would have made obscene comments about either of the Obama daughters, he would have at the very least a suspension.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:27:19am |
re: #508 opnion
Good morning. BHO at the AMA yesterday in Chicago mentioned that doctors have to practice defensively due to large judgements.
Then he turns around & says that he does not support tort reform.
Guess that is a signal to doctors "you may as well become a government employee because you can't sue the government and we're only going to encourage bigger judgements against private doctors"
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quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:28:14am |
A former President of the U.S. and Nobel Peace Prize recipient takes sides with a Middle Eastern Arab organization on the U.S. terrorism watch list against Israel.
"It's those Jews", thinks Carter. "If only those dirty Jews disappeared, all would be well in the world."/
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:29:16am |
re: #519 quickjustice
Miller is now a scholar on the First Amendment and national security issues for the Manhattan Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank.
An establishment not without controversy, with which Judy Miller is also familiar.
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johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:29:25am |
re: #527 Nevergiveup
I wasn't really aware CBS was still a functioning network?
Hey someone has to be dead last in the ratings right?
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quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:30:16am |
re: #530 spidly
Obama: "On the one hand, that defensive medicine you doctors have to practice is a bad thing that drives up health care costs. On the other hand, those trial lawyers have families that must be fed."/
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:30:20am |
re: #530 spidly
Guess that is a signal to doctors "you may as well become a government employee because you can't sue the government and we're only going to encourage bigger judgements against private doctors"
Wonder if he intends to force insurance companies to continue to write malpractice. Right now many doctors sell their practice to hospitals, because they can't afford the premiums.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:30:50am |
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quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:33:51am |
re: #532 freetoken
"Not without controversy"? Link, please!
And Ms. Miller did jail time for refusing to disclose her source in the Valerie Plame outing scandal. It turned out that Armitage had leaked to the press about Plame before her source did, so her jail time was unnecessary. What's odd is that prosecutor Fitzpatrick knew the truth, and jailed her anyway.
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:35:17am |
re: #537 buzzsawmonkey
I don't think Letterman's comment quite hit obscene, though it was certainly tasteless. But what is the news in that? He's been tasteless, and a shill for the stupid wing of the Democrats, for years.
That he would not have descended to such tastelessness in referring to any Democrat--and would probably have been disciplined or at least reprimanded by his network if he had--is no news either.
I frankly don't understand why people are so up in arms about his remark. It's not like anyone is surprised that the late-night talk show hosts have a left of center bias, and are routinely vulgar.
I think that part of the outrage is that the Palin daughter in question is ony 14 years old. He made a joke about statutory rape.
His first smirking apology made thins worse. Last night from what I understand last nights was a little better.
Imus pretty much crawled on broken glass & still he paid a price.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:35:29am |
re: #535 opnion
Well he blamed private insurance companies on slow turn around 6 month plus waits for Doctors getting paid but most of those cases are medicare/caid from all I've seen and has been discussed here. I'm lucky the remote got hung uop on my hand yesterday while watching it. Watched it because for the previous half hour they were talking about us getting to watch the Combat Controllers play in Fort
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:36:37am |
re: #537 buzzsawmonkey Refering to a 14 year old girl in a sex act crosses the line into Obscene.
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:37:41am |
re: #540 rustler
Well he blamed private insurance companies on slow turn around 6 month plus waits for Doctors getting paid but most of those cases are medicare/caid from all I've seen and has been discussed here. I'm lucky the remote got hung uop on my hand yesterday while watching it. Watched it because for the previous half hour they were talking about us getting to watch the Combat Controllers play in Fort
There is a lot of blame to go around, but the Dems will always defend the trial lawyers.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:39:20am |
re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My in-laws are in Roanoke. That's where I plan to retire when I finish the Navy gig.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:39:38am |
ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
What does this headline on drudge mean?
[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:40:07am |
re: #544 rwdflynavy
My in-laws are in Roanoke. That's where I plan to retire when I finish the Navy gig.
Well they do have a NOSC in Roanoke.
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Ateam Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:40:52am |
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:41:29am |
Wow... first time ever, my ISP's name server can't find Google.com !
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quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:42:17am |
re: #535 opnion
If Obama nationalizes health care insurance, that will create an instant doctor shortage. That's what happened in Massachusetts, an unintended consequence of their defective planning.
The cost-conscious government solution will be to permit midwives to deliver babies, and paramedics to practice medicine.
The Democrats won't sell out the trial lawyers. The trial lawyers own the Democratic Party.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:42:27am |
re: #545 Nevergiveup
Drudge knows how to sell to his audience?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:45:27am |
re: #549 quickjustice
If Obama nationalizes health care insurance, that will create an instant doctor shortage. That's what happened in Massachusetts, an unintended consequence of their defective planning.
The cost-conscious government solution will be to permit midwives to deliver babies, and paramedics to practice medicine.
The Democrats won't sell out the trial lawyers. The trial lawyers own the Democratic Party.
It might not create a shortage. In the case of Mass., Dr.'s had the choice to move to another State. If it's a Federal Nation Wide plan that would not be the case. It would still suck, but not sure about the shortage of Drs. Rationing yes.
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opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:45:32am |
re: #549 quickjustice
If Obama nationalizes health care insurance, that will create an instant doctor shortage. That's what happened in Massachusetts, an unintended consequence of their defective planning.
The cost-conscious government solution will be to permit midwives to deliver babies, and paramedics to practice medicine.
The Democrats won't sell out the trial lawyers. The trial lawyers own the Democratic Party.
There are a lot of reforms that the government could make to the medical delivery sysem without a radical overhaul.
Obama though wants government control.
Youy are right there will be a doctor shortage & there will be rationiong.
People really don't understand that & won't until treatment is denied.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:46:28am |
re: #531 quickjustice
A former President of the U.S. and Nobel Peace Prize recipient takes sides with a Middle Eastern Arab organization on the U.S. terrorism watch list against Israel.
"It's those Jews", thinks Carter. "If only those dirty Jews disappeared, all would be well in the world."/
You replaced something profane with the word dirty, right? That POS would not be so polite.
speaking of anti-semites in and around the white house... there was a thread that said :"Von Brunn is a right wing paleo-kook, deeply antisemitic in the way that Father Coughlin was"....
That crap-stain Coughlin attacked FDR from the left after he broke with him.
Screw this deranged GOP-National Review-Jew hating puke bent on killing "neo-cons", why the hell is Coughlin a right winger? There's some deep retardedness that says "anti-semitism makes you right wing"
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:46:44am |
re: #545 Nevergiveup
ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
What does this headline on drudge mean?[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]
So now we have Obama Motors and the Obama Network?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:47:07am |
Former US president Jimmy Carter said he was holding back tears when surveying the destruction in Gaza following Israel's Operation Cast Lead earlier this year, Israel Radio reported Tuesday.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Go home you old fart.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:48:33am |
Via WInston80, rumours of Iranian army generals arrested. Also reports of army generals meeting in secret, unknown if same generals. Rumours flying about coup.
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quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:48:34am |
re: #551 Nevergiveup
Physicians didn't flee Massachusetts. The reason there was a doctor shortage is that demand for medical services shot up with universal government insurance, while supply stayed the same.
Midwives and paramedics will be your new health care providers.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:49:41am |
re: #557 quickjustice
Physicians didn't flee Massachusetts. The reason there was a doctor shortage is that demand for medical services shot up with universal government insurance, while supply stayed the same.
Midwives and paramedics will be your new health care providers.
OK see what you mean.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:49:56am |
Soon to be followed by Obama Air, the Obama Times, and McObama's after new regulations on unhealthy food pass.
re: #554 songbird
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rain of lead Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:50:28am |
oh crap
just up,3 sips into my first cup of coffee and I come across this
obama admin to ban 80% of POCKET KNIVES*blink*
wtf
somebody let Ironfist know about this
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:50:47am |
Change_For_Iran reports what's on Iranian TV:
our beloved TV: Armed people(!) attacked & killed defenless basij troops who were watching the mob from the roofs!
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:52:42am |
re: #559 buzzsawmonkey
But..I'd still pay to see Todd Palin punch that bitter bastard right the mouth.......
I agree with ya on the rest.......
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:53:34am |
re: #562 reine.de.tout
Defenseless? *laughs* Yeah, that's a truckload of bull and we all know it. I try not to make it a habit to wish for the death of anyone, but I hope the protesters do have the stones to kill those who would silence them.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:54:11am |
re: #561 rain of lead
It has been discussed here a little bit. My limited understanding is that the 1958 law (on knives) has been interpreted in various ways that have led to certain definitions on which knives are controlled... and now the DOJ wants to extend some of those.
Those people here with more interest in the subject no doubt will jump in with more detail... but I do know that there are groups dedicated to "knife" rights.
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rustler Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:56:37am |
re: #561 rain of lead
I'll look at the 63 page report from customs later FBV. I never really liked the spring loaded assisted opening knives. I much perfer my old school folders. The 1 handed opened with the knob shouldn't be touched but it sounds like they are on the chopping block as well. I wonder if my folders that open with a wrist flip will be included.
| 569 |
freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:57:24am |
re: #566 freetoken
Whoops... that should have been Customs (not DoJ).
/heck, it's all the government to me
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:58:01am |
Can someone check to see if they can communicate to google.com ?
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:58:27am |
re: #568 rustler
Rustler,
I just got here and gatta get busy...
Who's going after assisted openers?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:58:50am |
ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
Tue Jun 16 2009 08:45:10 ET
On the night of June 24, the media and government become one, when ABC turns its programming over to President Obama and White House officials to push government run health care -- a move that has ignited an ethical firestorm!
Highlights on the agenda:
ABCNEWS anchor Charlie Gibson will deliver WORLD NEWS from the Blue Room of the White House.
The network plans a primetime special -- 'Prescription for America' -- originating from the East Room, exclude opposing voices on the debate.
MORE
Late Monday night, Republican National Committee Chief of Staff Ken McKay fired off a complaint to the head of ABCNEWS:
Dear Mr. Westin:
As the national debate on health care reform intensifies, I am deeply concerned and disappointed with ABC's astonishing decision to exclude opposing voices on this critical issue on June 24, 2009. Next Wednesday, ABC News will air a primetime health care reform “town hall” at the White House with President Barack Obama. In addition, according to an ABC News report, GOOD MORNING AMERICA, WORLD NEWS, NIGHTLINE and ABC’s web news “will all feature special programming on the president’s health care agenda.” This does not include the promotion, over the next 9 days, the president’s health care agenda will receive on ABC News programming.
Today, the Republican National Committee requested an opportunity to add our Party's views to those of the President's to ensure that all sides of the health care reform debate are presented. Our request was rejected. I believe that the President should have the ability to speak directly to the America people. However, I find it outrageous that ABC would prohibit our Party's opposing thoughts and ideas from this national debate, which affects millions of ABC viewers.
In the absence of opposition, I am concerned this event will become a glorified infomercial to promote the Democrat agenda. If that is the case, this primetime infomercial should be paid for out of the DNC coffers. President Obama does not hold a monopoly on health care reform ideas or on free airtime. The President has stated time and time again that he wants a bipartisan debate. Therefore, the Republican Party should be included in this primetime event, or the DNC should pay for your airtime.
Respectfully,
Ken McKay
Republican National Committee
Chief of Staff
Oh yeah the MSN isn't in the Tank? What a bunch of bullshit.
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sadhu Tue, Jun 16, 2009 5:59:51am |
re: freetoken
Can someone check to see if they can communicate to google.com ?
it was off and on for me an hour ago getting to Google Docs, Reader and Calendar -- working now
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:00:37am |
re: #570 freetoken
Can someone check to see if they can communicate to google.com ?
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Ojoe Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:00:54am |
re: #561 rain of lead
WTF? As a scouter I have carried a pocket knife for years.
Who are these morons who want to take away everything?
Next, they will go after push pins and cork boards.
Anyway here is today's Towercam sunrise:
Good morning all.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:00:58am |
re: #573 sadhu
Thanks... btw, it looks like you are using the Spy page?
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freetoken Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:02:00am |
re: #574 songbird
Hey... I'd read your link... except of course my ISP can't find it...
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:03:45am |
re: #572 Nevergiveup
Good grief!
That's just hard to believe.
And the Rep request to deliver their point of view was denied?
I'm beyond stunned.
That's amazing.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:04:02am |
Fox is reporting the Healthcare program of Obama's is ONLY about 3 trillion dollars? Can you sat VAT?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:05:02am |
re: #578 reine.de.tout
Good grief!
That's just hard to believe.
And the Rep request to deliver their point of view was denied?
I'm beyond stunned.
That's amazing.
It's getting to the point that nothing surprises me anymore. Hey he got elected. I just hope we can last the 2 years till the midterms and people wake up.
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rain of lead Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:05:56am |
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sadhu Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:06:17am |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:07:42am |
Mossad chief: Civil unrest in Iran will end soon
Dagan downplays significance of riots in protest of Ahmadinejad's disputed reelection, says 'what matters is Khamenei's position, which hasn't changed'; adds: Iran will have ready-to-launch nuclear bo
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:09:00am |
Carter to ask Obama to remove Hamas from the list of terrorist groups. What a giant tool.
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dragonladyalso Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:09:19am |
Can hardly wait for Charles to explain how "okay" this is to do and how anyone objecting to it is obviously a creationist or a conspiracy nut or something of that ilk:
"ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
Tue Jun 16 2009 08:45:10 ET
On the night of June 24, the media and government become one, when ABC turns its programming over to President Obama and White House officials to push government run health care -- a move that has ignited an ethical firestorm!
Highlights on the agenda:
ABCNEWS anchor Charlie Gibson will deliver WORLD NEWS from the Blue Room of the White House.
The network plans a primetime special -- 'Prescription for America' -- originating from the East Room, exclude opposing voices on the debate. "
[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:10:30am |
someday they'll be calling Jimmi the Dhimmi a right winger because he was a Jew hating imbecile.
re: #561 rain of lead
oh crap
just up,3 sips into my first cup of coffee and I come across thisobama admin to ban 80% of POCKET KNIVES*blink*
wtfsomebody let Ironfist know about this
I haven't seen this but they were trying to register/ban kitchen knives in the UK. Gun crime skyrocketed after their gun ban, so they outlawed BB guns, then starter pistols. Not sure what became of the kitchen knife ban effort, but crime still rises.
Funny thing is years ago I was doing a little web spoof on gun control urging the creation of the organization "S.P.O.R.K." Stop Private Ownership of Razors and Knives.....and it came true in the UK
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:11:28am |
re: #585 dragonladyalso
Can hardly wait for Charles to explain how "okay" this is to do and how anyone objecting to it is obviously a creationist or a conspiracy nut or something of that ilk:
"ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
Tue Jun 16 2009 08:45:10 ET. . .
I think you're making a huge assumption there . . .
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:12:27am |
re: #587 buzzsawmonkey
I can hardly wait until you remove your head from your fundament--but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation.
I like your version better than mine.
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rain of lead Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:12:37am |
"when knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have knives"
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KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:12:46am |
re: #572 Nevergiveup
Pathetique. You should have heard George Stenapoliuoips this morning on GMA. He practically speaks for Omama. The administration thinks this. Obama thinks that.
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:13:23am |
re: #577 freetoken
Hey... I'd read your link... except of course my ISP can't find it...
Just as well, the info was not recent. I'm not finding much about google outages today. Try searching on a different engine.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:15:28am |
re: #567 reloadingisnotahobby
Beretta Tomcat .32ACP
Replaced my AMT .380 that detonated due to a squib (and my lack of attention)
| 595 |
rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:15:33am |
re: #572 Nevergiveup
State run media.
Cheerleaders for this administration.
Advancing a progressive agenda.
Advocacy, instead of being a watchdog.
The final straw.
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:15:45am |
re: #580 Nevergiveup
It's getting to the point that nothing surprises me anymore. Hey he got elected. I just hope we can last the 2 years till the midterms and people wake up.
On my do not buy list:
GM cars
ABC news or affiliates (including websites)
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:16:42am |
re: #337 iceweasel
*snort*
I can't keep up. Isn't Killgore also supposed to be Charles? -- I think I need my tinfoil hat adjusted, in order to better pick up the crazy-frequency waves.
What's up, Throbert? :)
Hi, Iceweasel -- doing better after a crummy weekend. (My sinuses, throat, and lungs were playing "hot potato" with a big nasty wad of phlegm: "We don't want this goop anymore; here, throat, you take it." -- "Fuck that! Let the lungs have it!" [lungs duck and kick it back upstairs to the unwary sinuses] Fortunately, it seems to have been just one of those brief summer colds, and not the swine flu or anything.)
Anyway, I'm sure that the "sock puppet for Charles" accusation has been made against any number of LGF regulars -- it just made a particularly memorable impression when I saw someone on an AceofSpades thread say it about Sharmuta. (Because of the gender-bender aspect, and also because I was surprised, at the time, to see that level of craziness on AoS.)
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:17:08am |
re: #572 Nevergiveup
Morning all.
Apparently ABC got jealous that CBS was becoming the Democrats number one propaganda arm, so they decided to raise the stakes. Watching the media compete amongst themselves to see who can be the most slavish servant of the Government is a sad, sad spectacle.
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KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:17:09am |
Funny. I just used spell check on my above comment. I misspelled Obama as Omama. Spell check wanted to change it to Imam. Conspiracy?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:17:41am |
re: #585 dragonladyalso
I post that already and even e-mailed it to charles for a thread, but starting off attacking charles might not be the way to go. Just saying.
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Ojoe Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:18:01am |
re: #595 rightside
I detest the mofo media.
Among other things, they are spreading psychological economic gloom, which is making the work I do, designing buildings, almost non-existent at the moment.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:18:03am |
One Man's comment on Letterman, Part 2:
Last night David Letterman gave an apology, and I believe an honest one, for his out of bounds shots at the Palin family. Good for him to own up to this, be a man about it, and put it behind him.
I have seen a lot of discussion over the last few days about why this was such a big deal. Well FWIW, here's my thoughts on that issue:
For nearly 8 years the left wing media conducted a daily assault on President Bush and conservatives in general, trying to destroy them for political reasons. People in the entertainment field became open activists, and often turned their shows into vehicles for attacking anybody they politically disagree with. As time went by, the attacks went from political dissagreement to personal attacks. They of course did not bring the same criticism against their own side.
It got to the point where the left was making movies about assassinating President Bush (and try to imagine anybody doing the same thing now about President Obama). Think about that for a minute....you make movies fantasizing about killing the sitting President, and yet the left cheered themselves on.
So now the left owns the White House, The Senate and the House. Fine, they won that politically at the ballot box. so you'd think that the personal attacks would end. But no, the personal attacks continue on and continue to get worse. And like many things, they keep pushing the edge.
Finally, Letterman went over the edge and attacked family in a very mean, gratuitous, and vicious way. Even he realizes that now.
Make fun of Sarah Palin all you want, she's a public official and it's part of the deal. But leave the families alone.
I think quite a few people are fed up with the personal attacks and have started pushing back. To show you just a few examples of how one sided the attacks have been consider this:
1. Joe Biden, the current VP, has a very troubled family member but the media leaves that alone, and should. But if Biden was a Republican you know that family member would be crucified by the MSM and jerks like Letterman.
2. Various Kennedy family are also very troubled, but the only ones publicly mentioned are those in office, as it should be, or have committed crimes.
3. When someone on the left has health problems, about 90% of the comments on blogs like LGF are of the "best wishes" variety, and anybody saying negative comments are usually called out for it immediately. But when someone on the right has health problems, blogs like KOS and HuffPo have to shut down comments cause of the open cheering for the person to die as painfully as possible. Anybody remember the Tony Snow experience? Despicable.
Imagine making jokes about Mrs. Edwards cancer. Unthinkable and unacceptable. But I saw left wing blogs reporting on George Bush 41 parachute jumping and the general comment by the left was wishing that his parachute did not open. And when Mrs. Bush was in the hospital a while back, many of the same left wing sewers were rooting for her death.
You have left wing PR branches like the NYT openly lying to the public about Obama's policies, yet you have left wing commentators like Letterman going after the families of Republicans. It has become so pervasive in the media that I think quite a few people have had their fill of it.
I think that what has happened is in the effort to destroy Bush and gain political power, the left (including activists like Letterman) lost all sense of fair play and boundaries. They gained encouragement from each other to go after anybody on the left, till it got to the point that they were going after family.
Whether or not Letterman was going after the 18 year old daughter or the 14 year old is not the point. The issue is he, and many on the left, think that going after family is acceptable. for people who talk so much about "tolerance" and "compassion", they sure do not show much of that themselves.
This time it got so bad even NOW spoke up about it.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:21:57am |
Carter said he feels personally responsible that American weapons were used to fight in Gaza Strip last year, when Israeli Defense Forces entered the strip to stop the launch of rockets from there into Israel.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
If I tried to make this stuff up, I'd get dinged down all day long?
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legalpad Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:22:59am |
re: #559 buzzsawmonkey
And I'm supposed to get upset about Letterman's lapse of taste?
My take on the Letterman thing would be primarily what is revealed in the double standard. Why wouldn't Letterman, or any other entertainer think jokes about illicit sex involving Obama's family be "funny"? Whatever their reason, this reveals values that they do not believe are "fair game". Clearly, they do not believe the lives and values of those they hate should be respected, whereas they certainly understand why the people they love should be sacrosanct. Some "humor" is simply a persons passive-aggressive way of expressing their extreme hatred. It is an expression of viciousness, a metaphorical spit in the face as they laugh with contempt at things that they hate but do not fear.
I also think it is funny that they are so shocked when they discover that some people hate them. They seem to think they can dish out their unjust vitriol without ever having consequences.
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rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:23:00am |
re: #601 Ojoe
I have essentially stopped watching tv. Other than netflix and hockey, I won't give my money directly to hollywood for movies any longer. Nothing worth it.
F*ck the state run media.
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:23:23am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Its a lovely day here - but I can't tear myself away from what is happening in iran.
I told the dogs their coats were too black to be out in the sun - we ahd a good long romp earlier this morning.
Here is a pertinent comment from a BBC reporter in tehran:
'Jon Leyne
Reporting from Tehran
The more I see this announcement about being willing to recount ballots, the more I think it is just a political ruse to try and wrong-foot the opposition. They have offered a recount, but they have not said who is going to carry it out. Maybe the same people who did the election count to start with.
In any case, the opposition says there were so many other irregularities, that a recount alone would not satisfy them. For example, many more ballot papers were issued than counted, they say. Some people did not get enough ballot papers so they could not vote in areas loyal to the opposition. Polling stations were closed early, and so on and so forth. '
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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VioletTiger Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:25:32am |
re: #572 Nevergiveup
Wow. A healthcare infomercial? We are being herded like cattle, folks.
| 609 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:26:28am |
I'm a bit worried about the situation in Iran - the twitters I'm looking at have been silent for a few hours now.
Does anybody have any news?
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KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:28:09am |
re: #603 Nevergiveup
Carter said he feels personally responsible that American weapons were used to fight in Gaza Strip last year, when Israeli Defense Forces entered the strip to stop the launch of rockets from there into Israel.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
If I tried to make this stuff up, I'd get dinged down all day long?
Go for it Jimmy. Try to get Hamas off the terror list. You will never be removed from my shit list.
| 612 |
rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:28:52am |
re: #602 3 wood
If only someone would compile a list of abc sponsors and advertisers, and have all conservatives actively and tenaciously boycott their products. Let them know how you feel about the state run media being the propaganda arm of the DNC. Starve them out by not giving them your money any longer.
Wishful thinking, but the only way to stop them IMO.
| 613 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:29:41am |
re: #609 yma o hyd
I'm a bit worried about the situation in Iran - the twitters I'm looking at have been silent for a few hours now.
Does anybody have any news?
Haven't heard anything that is not posted here, but I posted at 583
Mossad chief: Civil unrest in Iran will end soon
Dagan downplays significance of riots in protest of Ahmadinejad's disputed reelection, says 'what matters is Khamenei's position, which hasn't changed'; adds: Iran will have ready-to-launch nuclear bo
[Link: [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]...]
| 614 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:29:44am |
Jimmy Carter is validating terrorism by trying to validate terrorists.
| 617 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:31:28am |
We need to move past Letterman now. He's a scoundrel and he apologized, and there is a double standard, but we have to let it go. Those calling for his firing and such are wasting their energy on the wrong thing at the wrong time.
| 618 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:32:12am |
re: #339 spidly
I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I think you've confused me with someone else.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:32:48am |
re: #618 Sharmuta
{Shar}, don't even waste your time on the troll. Some people just can't be taught.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:33:13am |
re: #596 songbird
On my do not buy list:
GM cars
ABC news or affiliates (including websites)
hey, soon enough GM will be churning out Trabis. It's a car every prole can love - 3 cylinder oil gas mixture. I was having a fit of road rage in on on the streets of Szeged and ripped the steering column out. The whole column attached to the pinion via a journaled shaft held in place by a rubber boot. After I got the shaft into the boot and beat the hell out of the steering wheel until it seated, I was able to unblock the road.
After the fall of the perfect socialist state, the solution to contain the soot created by this marvel of social engineering was to replace the standard (practically non-existent) muffler with one with baffles filled with kitty litter --no shit -- you could take your muffler in to have the kitty-litter replaced.
| 622 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:33:23am |
re: #615 Sharmuta
Somebody been smacked down by Sharm and can't get over it?
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:34:00am |
re: #613 Nevergiveup
Haven't heard anything that is not posted here, but I posted at 583
Mossad chief: Civil unrest in Iran will end soon
Dagan downplays significance of riots in protest of Ahmadinejad's disputed reelection, says 'what matters is Khamenei's position, which hasn't changed'; adds: Iran will have ready-to-launch nuclear bo[Link: [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]...]
I saw that.
If this came from any other body but Mossad, I'd not be so concerned. But seeing that ahmadinejad is in Russia right now, and must feel very secure to have gone there, also reading that people have been arrested in hospital, some had their laptops destroyed, aonther signed off to moce somewhere else as police are looking for satellite dishes, it gives me no pleasure to say that Mossad probably know much more than we do, twitterings or not.
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spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:34:21am |
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:34:26am |
re: #592 buzzsawmonkey
Carter is such a giant tool it is surprising he doesn't have an hour-long infomercial devoted to him on late-night TV.
I just read elsewhere that the director of Wall-E is going to be doing a big-screen adaptation of E.R. Burroughs' "John Carter of Mars" books, with an anticipated release in 2012. Whether or not the movie is any good, I fully expect it to yield some hilarious "Jimmy Carter of Mars" spoofs on YouTube.
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:38:11am |
These are from Andrew Sullivan's 'Daily Dish', with no timeline:
'Confirmed info: hezbollah mobilized & lebanese coming in. this is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better pass it down'
'Supporters of Ahmadinejad plan a rally today at the same Tehran square where backers of Mousavi say they will gather'
Getting bad ...
| 628 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:38:18am |
re: #624 spidly
If you don't like somebody don't talk to them or of them. It's that simple. Otherwise it's just a bunch of high school bullshit you're stirring up with one of the most respected members of this community.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:38:48am |
re: yma o hyd
I saw that.
If this came from any other body but Mossad, I'd not be so concerned. But seeing that ahmadinejad is in Russia right now, and must feel very secure to have gone there, also reading that people have been arrested in hospital, some had their laptops destroyed, aonther signed off to moce somewhere else as police are looking for satellite dishes, it gives me no pleasure to say that Mossad probably know much more than we do, twitterings or not.
I say that A-jad never makes it back to Tehran. Russia validates Iranian "election" after much begging by terrified A-jad. If protest/revolution/coup succeeds at all, it goes all the way, and even Khameini goes by the board.
| 630 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:39:28am |
re: #579 Nevergiveup
Fox is reporting the Healthcare program of Obama's is ONLY about 3 trillion dollars? Can you sat VAT?
Can you say US insolvency?
| 631 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:40:07am |
re: #627 yma o hyd
One way or another, it's looking like today is going to decide the fate of the Islamic Republic. I only hope that they will not back down.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:40:12am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Many people in this area are walking around in a strange trance after looking up at the sky... seeing a great glowing orb that is most unfamiliar in these parts. Some have engaged in ritualized worship. Others, not quite knowing what to do, scurry about looking for cover, expecting mass hysteria and rainfall to follow.
Meanwhile, half a world away, people are looking out of their homes and offices and wondering whether the government will collapse, or engage in a death rattle that will rock the nation of Iran to its core. The regime has agreed to recount the votes, but that's not going to sit well with those who think the election was rigged.
| 633 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:40:27am |
re: #609 yma o hyd
I'm a bit worried about the situation in Iran - the twitters I'm looking at have been silent for a few hours now.
Does anybody have any news?
Latest:
from 2ahmed:
RT @Change_for_Iran: Ashora platoons moving from valiasr toward NatTVstaion. mousavi's supporters are already there. my father is out there!hundereds were arrested in Mashhad #iranelection
Fake calls to homes by Gov. to terrorize ppl. #iranelection
from Vanak sq to Parkway , people raise their hand as a sign of protest #iranelection
Iran bans foreign media from covering rallies on streets of Tehran following last week's disputed presidential vote. #iranelection
From Change_For_Iran:
they are now arresting human rights activists in large scale. where is UN watchdog?!
Masood just called (he's OK), his laptop is destroyed & unfortunately gov intelligent found and arrest Reza at shariati Hospital.
I'm going to leave here & join with masood, as always wish all of us a giant amount of luck!
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FrogMarch Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:40:37am |
Hi all.
Remember just a few short years ago when the left liked Ahmadinejad?
The left liked Ahmadinejad becasue the left hate George W. Bush - and since Ahmadinejad didn't like W either, the left automatically approved of Ahmadinejad. Ahmadinejad spoke the same words criticizing the war. The left and Ahmadinejad spoke and thought the very same talking points. In fact, Ahmadinejad made the left "swoon". The left certainly were not bothered by Ahmadinejad's words towards Israel and Iran's plans to develop nukes. No - hating W. trumped everything. Even if the left had to conveniently ignore Ahmadinejad's death cult insanity.
So here's a trip down memory lane; or should I say, the memory hole.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
Iranian Leader Opens Up
ah - how cute.
Ahmadinejad Echoes the Democratic Left
And let us not forget that Ahmadinejad used to make KOS kidz "SWOON"
"I know I'm a Jewish lesbian and he'd probably have me killed. But still, the guy (President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran) speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon…
--Kos Kid
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:41:05am |
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (71 degrees, BOOMING all the way up to 73 degrees) cloudy and rainy Charlotte.
How is everyone doing this morning?
As I mentioned briefly last night, I had some matters to attend to and got to LGF after Midnight last evening and so missed all the threads about Obama's speech and what is happening in Iran. I deeply regret that I couldn't be here to participate with y'all but Mom and I just listened to Obama's speech (thanks Charles) and I am absolutely stunned. Obama said LESS in support of democracy and freedom and what's "right" than did France, Germany or even, God help us, the E.U. Twitter messages were published out here and comments made out here by a lot of folks, but especially reine and Winston '06 about how the Iranian "dissidents" kept asking "Why hasn't the United States said anything?" These were, I presume texted before President Obama made his little speech and so I have to ask whether or not anyone has heard from folks in Iran as to what their reaction was to Obama's speech?
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apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:41:11am |
re: #612 rightside
If only someone would compile a list of abc sponsors and advertisers, and have all conservatives actively and tenaciously boycott their products. Let them know how you feel about the state run media being the propaganda arm of the DNC. Starve them out by not giving them your money any longer.
Wishful thinking, but the only way to stop them IMO.
I was listening to radio yesterday and the subject was about a national listing of conservative business owners. Can't remember who it was or how to get hold of it but it is a great idea. Support Conservative Business ONLY!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:41:50am |
Yma - and see these I posted earlier today at this comment:
re: #503 reine.de.tout
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:41:59am |
re: #624 spidly
just the Sharmuta I spoke of
I woke up at 4am and you come here and trash Sharm...Think I'm impressed you little prick? You don't want a piece of me....
We care about our Brothers and Sisters here on LGF....And don't talk shit about them when they aren't here....Watch your back pal....You are in deep shit with me......
| 639 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:42:29am |
re: #603 Nevergiveup
Carter said he feels personally responsible that American weapons were used to fight in Gaza Strip last year, when Israeli Defense Forces entered the strip to stop the launch of rockets from there into Israel.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
If I tried to make this stuff up, I'd get dinged down all day long?
Hey, maybe he is taking credit for the fact that M16-A4 - next generation meat axe - kills the hell out of Jew hating Syrian and Jordanian rejects. Probably not though.
| 641 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:43:05am |
re: #629 haakondahl
I say that A-jad never makes it back to Tehran. Russia validates Iranian "election" after much begging by terrified A-jad. If protest/revolution/coup succeeds at all, it goes all the way, and even Khameini goes by the board.
That is what we all hope for - here and in Iran.
Am not so sure it will come off - we'll have to see later what happens at the next demo.
| 642 |
Bloodnok Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:43:11am |
re: #638 HoosierHoops
I woke up at 4am and you come here and trash Sharm...Think I'm impressed you little prick? You don't want a piece of me....
We care about our Brothers and Sisters here on LGF....And don't talk shit about them when they aren't here....Watch your back pal....You are in deep shit with me......
You are a fine fellow, Hoops.
| 643 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:44:03am |
re: #635 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (71 degrees, BOOMING all the way up to 73 degrees) cloudy and rainy Charlotte.
How is everyone doing this morning?
As I mentioned briefly last night, I had some matters to attend to and got to LGF after Midnight last evening and so missed all the threads about Obama's speech and what is happening in Iran. I deeply regret that I couldn't be here to participate with y'all but Mom and I just listened to Obama's speech (thanks Charles) and I am absolutely stunned. Obama said LESS in support of democracy and freedom and what's "right" than did France, Germany or even, God help us, the E.U. Twitter messages were published out here and comments made out here by a lot of folks, but especially reine and Winston '06 about how the Iranian "dissidents" kept asking "Why hasn't the United States said anything?" These were, I presume texted before President Obama made his little speech and so I have to ask whether or not anyone has heard from folks in Iran as to what their reaction was to Obama's speech?
Realwest - the "tweets" I saw were not impressed with the speech. However,some US tweeters put out there (so word will get around) that many "ppl" in US are watching and supportive but Obama is in a difficult position as he cannot say anything that can be construed as meddling. The tweeters were happy to get the news that regular folks here are following this situation closely.
| 644 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:44:12am |
| 646 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:44:58am |
re: #642 Bloodnok
You are a fine fellow, Hoops.
When it stops raining I'm going back on the lake and drinking more beer..
I'm a bad bad boy!
LOL
| 647 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:45:37am |
re: #633 reine.de.tout
Thanks - I'm working my way down the list, as neither persiankiwi, iranElection, Stop ahmadi and winston ahve had anything up.
Here is something else to think about;
'Iran has banned all foreign journalists from reporting on the sts.'
[Link: twitter.com...]
This came via the web - he's a correspondent ..
| 648 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:46:06am |
Hoops- I am on vacation too, so I will join you in a beer. Sadly- my vacation is 2 hours. :p
| 649 |
VioletTiger Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:46:46am |
re: #630 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Can you say US insolvency?
Somehow I think people will wake up before it is too late. The number of people who will benefit from this mess is getting smaller and smaller.
| 650 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:47:17am |
re: #635 realwest
Twitter messages were published out here and comments made out here by a lot of folks, but especially reine and Winston '06 about how the Iranian "dissidents" kept asking "Why hasn't the United States said anything?" These were, I presume texted before President Obama made his little speech and so I have to ask whether or not anyone has heard from folks in Iran as to what their reaction was to Obama's speech?
Good AM from pitch black Kona. I'd ask that question of Cato the Elder.
Obama's statement wasn't the usual vacuous platitudes that Cato spoke of, but it could have been a little stronger in making a stand. Not bad, but not... taking a stand.
| 651 |
Bloodnok Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:47:58am |
re: #644 realwest
Indeed he is. How are you today Bloonok?
I am very good! Cold (low 50s here -supposed to be in the 40's tonight. The 40's!) but good. Seeing that little jackass say something bad about Sharm has got me fuming, but it looks like Hoops was able to take care of him.
| 652 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:48:00am |
re: #648 Sharmuta
Shar, you can come join me and the Mrs. Fish lakeside this weekend. My parents tell me the fish are biting pretty good so far.
| 653 |
Chicken Kiev Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:48:16am |
A question for current or former Michael Savage fans and listeners:
Does anyone else out there think that Savage used to be interesting but has become boring, irrelevant and totally self-absorbed lately? This question isn't directed to people who already disliked him, but to people who used to listen regularly but have pretty much stopped. Every time I turn on his show these days, he is yammering on about being banned in England. That was interesting when it first happened, but it's been weeks. Yesterday I tuned in expecting some incisive commentary on Iran. He was talking about cooking paella ... and being banned in England. Yawn!
That felt like the final straw.
| 654 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:48:30am |
re: #648 Sharmuta
Hoops- I am on vacation too, so I will join you in a beer. Sadly- my vacation is 2 hours. :p
That's just not right! *wink*
Love you to Sharm....
| 655 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:48:32am |
re: #647 yma o hyd
Thanks - I'm working my way down the list, as neither persiankiwi, iranElection, Stop ahmadi and winston ahve had anything up.
Here is something else to think about;
'Iran has banned all foreign journalists from reporting on the sts.'
[Link: twitter.com...]This came via the web - he's a correspondent ..
TehranBureau said a bit ago that they were "back up". I'm thinking there are outages and people are having to look for ways to tweet.
Yma - if you haven't done so, download "tweetdeck" if you have a twitter account. The messages from everyone you are "following" will show up there, and you don't have to go checking each person's account, nor do you have to keep a browser window open.
| 656 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:48:52am |
See this:
'well, in Iran whole twitter site is blocked. but I ain't got any problem with #iranelection. I use a proxy.'
This came in about 18 minutes ago ...
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 658 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:49:49am |
The Iranian regime offering to recount the votes is equivalent to offering to shoot a mugging victim again.
| 659 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:49:59am |
re: #643 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine and first of all, as I hope I said last night/ earlier today - THANK YOU for your work on getting those tweetered or texted messages out from Iran for us to view.
Secondly, those US Tweeters were right in a sense; no one expects the US to go to war with Iran over the elections and short of the threat of Military Force the only thing I think Obama could have and should have said was that he was unwilling to meet with the representatives of such a repressive regime as that controlling Iran right now. Of course, that would never happen as Obama doesn't have it in him to do that. But he SHOULD have said it; talks aren't going to get us anywhere anyway and it was a chance for him and through him, all of us, to stand up and be counted.
| 660 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:50:14am |
re: #656 yma o hyd
See this:
'well, in Iran whole twitter site is blocked. but I ain't got any problem with #iranelection. I use a proxy.'
This came in about 18 minutes ago ...
[Link: twitter.com...]
This is the type of thing that makes me proud to be a geek. The Internet was designed for redundancy, so that information could flow freely even in the event of major outages. In this case, the outage was intentional, but there's no way they can make it stop.
| 661 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:50:33am |
re: #653 Chicken Kiev
He was talking about cooking paella ...
He was? He's a wonderful man, my superhero, standing tall above all else.....
(look at my avatar)
| 662 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:50:55am |
re: #635 realwest
Morning real, I missed the O speach thread too so I was checking out comments just now. Check the #1 comment from buzz in the top 10.
| 663 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:51:27am |
re: #652 thedopefishlives
Shar, you can come join me and the Mrs. Fish lakeside this weekend. My parents tell me the fish are biting pretty good so far.
Lake? Lake? looks around!
We need to have God stop the Rain today at Lake Tomahawk....What's up with that?
| 664 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:52:52am |
There's an old quote from some techno-hippie to the effect that:
"The internet perceives censorship as damage and routes around it".
Heh.
| 665 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:53:40am |
re: #655 reine.de.tout
TehranBureau said a bit ago that they were "back up". I'm thinking there are outages and people are having to look for ways to tweet.
Yma - if you haven't done so, download "tweetdeck" if you have a twitter account. The messages from everyone you are "following" will show up there, and you don't have to go checking each person's account, nor do you have to keep a browser window open.
Thanks - looks like I shall have to get a twitter account after all!
| 666 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:53:45am |
re: #477 3 wood
By the way, yesterday I got a letter in the mail form GM thanking me for being a customer.
I have not owned a GM product since 1999.
Dude, didn't you see that cheque Obama cut for GM? You're a customer all right.
| 667 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:54:15am |
re: #662 turn
Morning real, I missed the O speach thread too so I was checking out comments just now. Check the #1 comment from buzz in the top 10.
And Cato is doing a fine job representing the bottom 10.
| 669 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:55:19am |
re: #664 haakondahl
There's an old quote from some techno-hippie to the effect that:
"The internet perceives censorship as damage and routes around it".
Heh.
hehehe... Wanna hear the sig I put on all my emails back in the day?
No matter how complex the problem is... It's still just one's and zero's.
| 671 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:55:33am |
re: #653 Chicken Kiev
A question for current or former Michael Savage fans and listeners:
Does anyone else out there think that Savage used to be interesting but has become boring, irrelevant and totally self-absorbed lately? This question isn't directed to people who already disliked him, but to people who used to listen regularly but have pretty much stopped. Every time I turn on his show these days, he is yammering on about being banned in England. That was interesting when it first happened, but it's been weeks. Yesterday I tuned in expecting some incisive commentary on Iran. He was talking about cooking paella ... and being banned in England. Yawn!
That felt like the final straw.
Lately? He's been that way for years. He's bipolar I think. He is only entertaining in his manic state. However he seems to be mostly depressive.
| 672 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:55:49am |
re: #660 thedopefishlives
This is the type of thing that makes me proud to be a geek. The Internet was designed for redundancy, so that information could flow freely even in the event of major outages. In this case, the outage was intentional, but there's no way they can make it stop.
I saw or heard today that a lot of Western 'geeks' were sending proxy sites over to the twitters in Iran, so lets hope this will continue!
| 673 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:55:58am |
re: #630 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Can you say US insolvency?
The Fed is already insolvent if you add up all the unfunded future liabilities like SS and Medicare. We already are in the tank for about 40+ trillion dollars through 2050 or so in unfunded mandates. The majority of those bills are just now starting to come due. Wait another 5-7 years and the first and biggest wave of baby boomers (myself included) start reaching into the SS and Medicare jars. It is going to get ugly and get ugly fast.
China, Russia and japan are starting to not so quietly sell off US treasuries and are starting to refuse to buy anymore. This is even after we send the Speaker of the House and Treasury Secretary to China to qualm their fears.
| 675 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:57:13am |
re: #667 VegasRick
And Cato is doing a fine job representing the bottom 10.
I saw that too, what's up with him lately? The only updings he's been getting are from avanti and iceweasle.
| 676 |
KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:57:21am |
re: #671 Alouette
Lately? He's been that way for years. He's bipolar I think. He is only entertaining in his manic state. However he seems to be mostly depressive.
Very depressive. All his posts yesterday reminded me of the "Debbie Downer" skit fron SNL.
| 677 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:57:27am |
| 678 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:57:29am |
The iranian authorities are really doing all they can to shut the protests and the news down:
'# BBCPersian has just gone black. [Shiraz] #iranelection #bbc8 minutes ago from Twitterfall '
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 679 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:58:15am |
Obama's Nowruz message
[Link: blog.beliefnet.com...]
You, too, have a choice. The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations. You have that right -- but it comes with real responsibilities, and that place cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization. And the measure of that greatness is not the capacity to destroy, it is your demonstrated ability to build and create.
| 680 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 6:59:46am |
"There are no tweets in Iran."
-M. Ahmadinejad
| 681 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:00:06am |
Just came in.
I gather Twitter's shut down in Iran. Not a lot, if anything, coming out. Correct?
Do we have any idea what's happening on the ground?
/don't trust the news services
| 682 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:00:23am |
re: #674 HoosierHoops
{YMA} Good to see you
Hiya, {HH}!
How is your Winston? (As opposed to the LGF winston ...)
I've got a holiday guest here - he's a magnificent brute, a very tall, mostly black Border Collie. Madame does like him, but is a bit put off because he's so big and tends to run over her or bump into her, seeing that she's so small, and he's not used to having other dogs around.
| 683 |
VioletTiger Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:00:30am |
re: #659 realwest
Good morning real.
Agree. Obama could have been stronger in his statement. It's not like we have a great relationship with Dinnerjacket and the Mullahs. Of course, Obama thinks he has the power to charm them into cooperation--it's not gonna happen-but he still believes it.
I hope the Iranians know we are cheering for their freedom, even if it's not blasted from their TV sets.
| 684 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:00:44am |
Obama held his bet when he should have doubled down.
| 685 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:01:28am |
re: #681 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Just came in.
I gather Twitter's shut down in Iran. Not a lot, if anything, coming out. Correct?
Do we have any idea what's happening on the ground?
/don't trust the news services
News services have also been prohibited from reporting out of Iran, according to the ABC correspondent there.
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:01:35am |
re: #223 spidly
King Kong Jeff Bridges on AMC. What the hell.
In my opinion, the key relationship between the big ape and the blonde damsel in Peter Jackson's King Kong owes a lot more to Jessica Lange's "Dwan" than to Fay Wray's "Ann Darrow" in the original film. So for that reason (and maybe only for that reason), the '70s version does deserve to be screened on a channel that calls itself "American Movie Classics."
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:01:41am |
re: #684 BigPapa
Obama held his bet when he should have doubled down.
Instead, he troubled down... as in, "deeply troubled".
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:03:35am |
I have written a brief speech for our President. Robert Gibbs (if he knows how to use the internet thingie) can clip the copy from here and easily download it into the TelePromPter.
This is part two of my speech to the muslim world. The events of the past few days have shown the world the true face of islamofascism. Those iranians yearning for a better life are mostly muslims. They have seen the example just to their west of democracy in iraq. And they like what they see. As you know, I opposed the war in iraq as a war of choice. And in retrospect I still believe that. But now the people living under repression in iran want their choice to be honored as well. We have paid a heavy price for our operations in iraq, but if the great Persian nation can freely dip their fingers in purple ink as their brothers and sisters in iraq have done, then the sacrifices of our brave soldiers and many brave iraqis from all islamic sects will be redeemed and the world will be a better place. May G-d bles the brave citizens of iran.
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VioletTiger Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:03:57am |
Off to a meeting. Have a great day lizards.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:04:02am |
re: #684 BigPapa
Obama held his bet when he should have doubled down.
His bet would be reasonable IF he now has surrogates talking the stronger points. It's the way it was done in the old days.
/but he's the neophyte, isn't he, who hates the past?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:04:21am |
re: #686 Throbert McGee
So for that reason (and maybe only for that reason), the '70s version does deserve to be screened on a channel that calls itself "American Movie Classics."
I'm always amused when they show Predator.
Classic lines from classic American movies:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
"Rosebud..."
"Don't ever go against the family."
"GET TO THE CHOPPAH!"
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:04:41am |
re: #682 yma o hyd
Hiya, {HH}!
How is your Winston? (As opposed to the LGF winston ...)
I've got a holiday guest here - he's a magnificent brute, a very tall, mostly black Border Collie. Madame does like him, but is a bit put off because he's so big and tends to run over her or bump into her, seeing that she's so small, and he's not used to having other dogs around.
Winston is not a happy dog...We flew up here yesterday morning on Midwest Connect.. It cost 80 dollars to fly him up here in a Saab....We drove around on the Lake this morning...He is not a happy camper...Rain...Water....He thinks I'm crazy and I don't blame him one little bit
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:05:05am |
re: #685 yma o hyd
News services have also been prohibited from reporting out of Iran, according to the ABC correspondent there.
Thanks.
Had noticed that in a comment just upstairs, but was skimming fast.
Thanks for the confirmation.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:05:38am |
I just noticed that MSNBC is on Fios now. To bad.
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:05:57am |
re: #659 realwest
... Obama could have and should have said was that he was unwilling to meet with the representatives of such a repressive regime as that controlling Iran right now. Of course, that would never happen as Obama doesn't have it in him to do that. But he SHOULD have said it; talks aren't going to get us anywhere anyway and it was a chance for him and through him, all of us, to stand up and be counted.
That is absolutely spot on about what is wrong with Obama. He has chained himself to the stupid policy of "talks without preconditions", which in Orwellian relabeling is now referred to as "tough, realistic dialogue".
Totten makes the same point:
An Enemy of the World
Obama Administration officials still hope they can talk Khamenei out of developing nuclear weapons and supporting Hamas and Hezbollah. This is delusion on stilts. Khamenei can’t even compromise with his own regime or his hand-picked presidential candidates. He placed them under house arrest, along with a Grand Ayatollah, and deployed thousands of violent enforcers into the streets. Not only does he confront the world, he is at war with his very own country.
"This is delusion on stilts."
...rotating title nominee of the day
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:07:43am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:21am |
re: #692 Occasional Reader
I'm always amused when they show Predator.
Classic lines from classic American movies:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
"Rosebud..."
"Don't ever go against the family."
"GET TO THE CHOPPAH!"
I thought the classic line was "I don't have time to bleed".
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:28am |
re: #694 HoosierHoops
Winston is not a happy dog...We flew up here yesterday morning on Midwest Connect.. It cost 80 dollars to fly him up here in a Saab....We drove around on the Lake this morning...He is not a happy camper...Rain...Water....He thinks I'm crazy and I don't blame him one little bit
Aww - he's not a water dog! He likes it warm and dry - i don't blame him either!
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:39am |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:41am |
The return of Palestinian refugees to Israel should not be ruled out as a subject for negotiation, Tony Blair said in response to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent policy speech.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Is Blair that clueless or stupid that he doesn't know what that means? And how Every Single Israeli Government was, is , and will be vehemently against that?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:46am |
re: #698 Kenneth
As a purely stylistic point, I'm actually a little tired of the "... on stilts" expression. ("Nonsense on stilts" has been making the rounds in blog punditry for some time.) But that's just me. Anyway, Totten's point is dead on. "Tough, hardheaded diplomacy"... sure it is, Mr. Obama. Sure it is.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:51am |
re: #681 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Tweet, tweet:
LabibaLaith RT@naseemfaqihi Tweets from iran coming in that Tehran is a sea of green again this evening. #iranelection #gr88 6 minutes ago from web
NJDemocrat Foreign press ban? Not in the age of Twitter. That's soooo 20th century. #iranelection
navidzanjani Tweets coming of arrests of Army Generals and possible Iranian Army coup. #iranelection
Morning all things look real busy out there this morning.
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rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:08:59am |
re: #699 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Don't need that, I go commando! ;^)
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:09:03am |
re: #650 BigPapa
Good AM from pitch black Kona. I'd ask that question of Cato the Elder.
Obama's statement wasn't the usual vacuous platitudes that Cato spoke of, but it could have been a little stronger in making a stand. Not bad, but not... taking a stand.
Hey BigPapa - good VERY early morning to you, too! And I hate to start the day off disagreeing with folks, especially with you, but Obama's speech - even keeping in mind the real world constraints on what Obama could say without getting Iranians all worked up either pro US or anti- US were limited. No two ways about it. But, really, how hard would it have been for him to say what I suggested and hereby embellish:
"We have seen the events in Iran over the last several days sent mostly by Twitter and Text messages as the Iranian government apparently has a block on all news reports, indeed, according to the BBC Iran has blocked the BBC's satelite uploads in violation of the World Communications Satellite Treaty [or whatever its called, ed.] and we first call on the government of Iran to IMMEDIATELY stop interference with all forms of communication with people and nations outside of Iran. Secondly, while we cannot comment on the actual election results since there were no foreign observers allowed at the elections, we can say that we strongly support ALL People in their quest for Freedom and Democracy and, finally, we demand that Iran stop it's forceful and bloody repression of those who have disagreed with the election results.
Civilized Nations with whom the United States of American would seek to have a dialogue simply do not act in the fashion that the Iranian government has acted with repressing the expressions of dissatisfaction with the recent elections in Iran."
.
.
Obviously BigPapa I'm not a speech writer, but it seems to me that what I have proposed certainly could have been said and should have been said. Iran doesn't really want to have discussions with the US anyway, so we don't give anything up by saying we won't talk to them. And, of course, calling for the end of censorship of the News is also whistling into the wind but NEEDS to be said. Finally of course is that what the United States is and has been about is supporting Freedom and Democracy throughout the world. See, e.g., Iraq.
That sort of statement would risk NOTHING for the U.S. and might, MIGHT have had the Mullahs thinking that keeping Dinnerjacket in Russia isn't a bad idea and having another (tightly controlled so we win) election might not be a bad idea after all.
Keep in mind, however that the dissidents we are supporting out here STILL want Iran to get nukes, but are less hostile to Israel and the rest of the World.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:10:09am |
re: #700 Sharmuta
I thought the classic line was "I don't have time to bleed".
There are so many to choose from! For instance, the immortal:
"You are one UGLY motherf****r!"
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:10:19am |
re: #702 MrSilverDragon
So that's why I've been chafing. Dang.
When it can stand up on its own on the floor, it's time to change.
| 710 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:11:02am |
re: #707 realwest
What's up stud? Hope today finds you well
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:11:19am |
re: #689 _RememberTonyC
I have written a brief speech for our President. Robert Gibbs (if he knows how to use the internet thingie) can clip the copy from here and easily download it into the TelePromPter.
This is part two of my speech to the muslim world. The events of the past few days have shown the world the true face of islamofascism. Those iranians yearning for a better life are mostly muslims. They have seen the example just to their west of democracy in iraq. And they like what they see. As you know, I opposed the war in iraq as a war of choice. And in retrospect I still believe that. But now the people living under repression in iran want their choice to be honored as well. We have paid a heavy price for our operations in iraq, but if the great Persian nation can freely dip their fingers in purple ink as their brothers and sisters in iraq have done, then the sacrifices of our brave soldiers and many brave iraqis from all islamic sects will be redeemed and the world will be a better place. May G-d bles the brave citizens of iran.
Great speech, but the only way Obama will say it is if someone hacks his teleprompter.
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:11:41am |
I have no idea where they get their information from - and note that their last update is 30 mins ago, but worth keeping an eye on:
From that link:
''14.39 Footage from Tehran is now emerging showing pro-Musavi demonstrators on the streets - it is not clear whether they are on the way to the main square where the hardliners are showing their support for Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. '
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:11:56am |
re: #708 Occasional Reader
There are so many to choose from! For instance, the immortal:
"You are one UGLY motherf****r!"
KILL ME! I'M HEEEYA!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:12:36am |
re: #705 BlueCanuck
Tweets coming of arrests of Army Generals and possible Iranian Army coup.
(realizing you have no way of knowing) Regular or the IRGC?
/THE WORLD WANTS TO KNOW IF IT'S TRUE !
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:12:37am |
re: #629 haakondahl
Wow, Ahmadinejad is in Russia? He must need something really bad. Or maybe he's expecting the worst. A rumour on the Iranian twitters yesterday was that A-jad was going to fake an assassination attempt and then use that as an excuse to crack down hard.
| 716 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:13:01am |
re: #703 Nevergiveup
The return of Palestinian refugees to Israel should not be ruled out as a subject for negotiation, Tony Blair said in response to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent policy speech.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Is Blair that clueless or stupid that he doesn't know what that means? And how Every Single Israeli Government was, is , and will be vehemently against that?
I think maybe Ma Cherie Blairmour has been exercising a little too much influence on Tony...
(Cherie Blair is a big Pali cheerleader)
| 717 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:13:05am |
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:13:07am |
re: #708 Occasional Reader
There are so many to choose from! For instance, the immortal:
"You are one UGLY motherf****r!"
Worst movie of all time..Yet more quotes from a movie known to man...
Top Gun....Classic
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:13:34am |
re: #662 turn I have turn and have dinged him up, even though after the fact so to speak.
But I ask you to gird your loins and listen to Obama's speech again. He IS a gifted speaker, managing to make nothing sound like something. But listen to him again and listen for what he didn't say more than for what he did say.
| 720 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:13:51am |
re: #646 HoosierHoops
When it stops raining I'm going back on the lake and drinking more beer..
I'm a bad bad boy!
LOL
Morning HH! Gee, I'm sitting here with a huge case of writer's block, trying to get a book finished, and you're going back out on the lake, dropping a line in the water, and drinking cold beer.
Have I mentioned that I hate you?
(Not really of course...I hope you're having an absolutely great time!)
And what's with someone trashing Sharm? She's one of my favorite posters here!
| 721 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:14:25am |
re: #704 Occasional Reader
As a purely stylistic point, I'm actually a little tired of the "... on stilts" expression. ("Nonsense on stilts" has been making the rounds in blog punditry for some time.) But that's just me. Anyway, Totten's point is dead on. "Tough, hardheaded diplomacy"... sure it is, Mr. Obama. Sure it is.
I thought one of Boooosh's most eeeevil character traits was being "hardheaded"?
| 722 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:14:46am |
re: #703 Nevergiveup
The return of Palestinian refugees to Israel should not be ruled out as a subject for negotiation, Tony Blair said in response to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent policy speech.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Is Blair that clueless or stupid that he doesn't know what that means? And how Every Single Israeli Government was, is , and will be vehemently against that?
The Eu's (and I include the upper British class twits) all would like the Arabs to deal with their "Jewish problem" for them,
| 723 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:14:58am |
re: #714 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Arrests of IRGC have been alleged, claiming that some of them refused to take orders to go after Mousavi's demonstrators.
Not confirmed.
If true, it would suggest that IRGC and Ahmadinejad is in trouble; which would further explain why it's alleged that Hizbullah thugs and Basji were imported to deal with the demonstrators. Ahmadinejad wasn't too trusting of the IRGC.
| 724 |
Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:14:59am |
re: #718 HoosierHoops
Worst movie of all time..Yet more quotes from a movie known to man...
Top Gun....Classic
BLASPHEEEEMER!
| 725 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:15:12am |
re: #638 HoosierHoops
I woke up at 4am and you come here and trash Sharm...Think I'm impressed you little prick? You don't want a piece of me....
We care about our Brothers and Sisters here on LGF....And don't talk shit about them when they aren't here....Watch your back pal....You are in deep shit with me......
Yep, you band of new comer brothers, and I've been here longer than both you combined. You are Berchtesgaden brats while I've been posting before there was a presence in Sicily.
Sorry, I think Sharmuta is too often a bully and goes personal really quickly. Your not endearing yourself to me making idiotic internet threats of being on vacation
*wink* I'm on vacation..I'm allowed to say anything I want..
Hope today finds you well...Heheheheh
I'm dead serious..Don't you ever trash that lady...You feeling me?
and other stupid "I'm anonymous" bravado BS. Never had a disagreement with either of you that I can remember on any major points; just Sharmuta on a few trivial things like the "isn't that sexist - not a very good example but similarly trivial - stupid matters " I just think she's often hyper-defensive, often needlessly defensive, sometimes just plain contrarian, and a bully on occasion.
I usually just avoid contradicting or refining her position on anything for that very reason.
there is a good reason why people pop smoke every single time someone questions what she says.
"band of brothers"...eat me you relative but verbose newbie
as far as your "you wanna piece of me" threatening silliness..... sure we shall prove ourselves on the plains of Mordor! what are you? 12?
| 726 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:15:21am |
re: #714 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Hmmm nothing really out there which one. But there is this one I found:
iranCAN RT from Iran: Rasht: guards are attacking people, people near Rasht help please #iranelection #gr88
| 727 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:15:31am |
re: #662 turn
Morning real, I missed the O speach thread too so I was checking out comments just now. Check the #1 comment from buzz in the top 10.
I've noticed a trend on both right and left blogs. When the guy from the other side makes a statement, the majority on the other side starts slamming each and every part of it. One comment feeds on another, and with all the like minded opinions, a since of the rightness of you opinion sets in.
If a conservative speaks up on a leftie blogs, or a leftie on a conservative blog, he does so at his own peril. He's spoiling the fun of all the mutual reinforcement of the hatred for the other guy, and is better off just letting the other side vent in peace. The risk for both sides is a unrestrained echo chamber can run out of control and see disagreement turn into a true derangement.
I updinged Cato for a least trying to get his opinion out, even if it was unwelcome, I saw no problem with some of him logic.
| 728 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:15:38am |
(realizing you have no way of knowing) Regular or the IRGC?
/THE WORLD WANTS TO KNOW IF IT'S TRUE !
Different rumors. No cllue. Have seen both mentioned. The problem with twitter is that usually you have no idea who you;re talking to and no idea where they are.
But I operate on the assumption that in this case, the good guys are way out ahead of the bad guys in their social networking.
| 729 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:15:47am |
re: #703 Nevergiveup
The return of Palestinian refugees to Israel should not be ruled out as a subject for negotiation, Tony Blair said in response to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent policy speech.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Is Blair that clueless or stupid that he doesn't know what that means? And how Every Single Israeli Government was, is , and will be vehemently against that?
Tony Blair is a past master at telling people what he thinks they want to hear - and then spinning it furiously.
He knows full well what he's doing, more's the pity - its all about him, and his standing as big player on the world stage. he doesn't give a toss about Israel or even the Palis - main thing is, he must look good!
We've got to know him and his modus operandi very well in his ten years of British PM!
| 730 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:15:47am |
Laura Secor: Why Tehran Matters
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]
| 732 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:16:25am |
I am going out on a limb and predicting the VAT is coming soon to a store near you based on the following from the CBO about Obama care:
[Link: cboblog.cbo.gov...]
The money quote: "According to our preliminary assessment, enacting the proposal would result in a net increase in federal budget deficits of about $1.0 trillion over the 2010-2019 period."
Thats in addition to the already $1 trillion in deficits that are already plugged into the budget. Folks if this is passed we are going to be having $2 trillion dollar deficits every single year for the next 10 years minimum.
| 733 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:16:44am |
re: #710 HoosierHoops
What's up stud? Hope today finds you well
?stud? ,,,,, you've had enough beer for the day !
////////
| 734 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:17:53am |
re: #663 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops! Hey too bad it's raining on your lake, but hey, all you can do to stay dry outside and drink lots of beer while inside!
| 735 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:19:42am |
re: #727 avanti
Logic is great for "winning" debate points; slams and sneers are not, and invite counterattacks. Often, the sneering party takes great offense at being subject to what he/she dishes out. This is the root of bullying, and is instinctively recognized by others, who react viscerally.
| 736 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:19:49am |
re: #707 realwest
RW, if we disagree it's very little. I like your proposed speech and think it is proper tact. Obama always plays the middle: I guess for him, it was a strong stand, but he only takes it from moderation and equivalence. I would have preferred a stronger stand such as your proposed speech, but it's all we got.
As for the Cato ploy, his cow has left the barn and I can't help but kick it on the way out. He pointed out a possibility outcome as the only reality: Obama making a supportive statement of Iran citizens as a reason for the mullahs to rally against the US. (Then proceeded to scold all of us as some keyboard quarterbacks).
Obama, with all his eloquence and speech writing talent on his team, could have played that firmly yet gracefully. He didn't do that, but he hedged his bets, at the very least. I, as well as you, definitely not Cato, would have preferred a stronger statement.
| 737 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:19:55am |
re: #666 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! Hell he's not a customer of GM he's a part owner of GM!
| 738 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:19:56am |
re: #720 subsailor68
Morning HH! Gee, I'm sitting here with a huge case of writer's block, trying to get a book finished, and you're going back out on the lake, dropping a line in the water, and drinking cold beer.
Have I mentioned that I hate you?
(Not really of course...I hope you're having an absolutely great time!)
And what's with someone trashing Sharm? She's one of my favorite posters here!
Hey Bro! hope today finds you well... Somebody trashed our Sharm like at 5am this morning....I replied..Waiting for a response...
When he does..It will be like a nuclear bomb went off....Anytime you trash someone here when they aren't around..Expect ground Zero to be real flat..
and lots of smoke....
Vacation rocks BTW
| 739 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:20:00am |
re: #707 realwest
"Civilized Nations with whom the United States of American would seek to have a dialogue simply do not act in the fashion that the Iranian government has acted with repressing the expressions of dissatisfaction with the recent elections in Iran."
Amen. Instead, Obama said, "Elections, repression, whatever, we still want to talk to you...please."
| 740 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:20:29am |
Iran clamps down on foregn media
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Authorities in Iran have announced sweeping new restrictions on foreign media, effectively confining journalists to their offices.
The move comes as the powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount some votes from Friday's disputed presidential poll.
| 741 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:21:13am |
re: #718 HoosierHoops
Worst movie of all time..Yet more quotes from a movie known to man...
Top Gun....Classic
WHAT?!
Bite your tongue! Predator is thoroughly enjoyable. Okay, it's not Casablanca, but it's a fun flick.
| 742 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:21:23am |
re: #700 Sharmuta
I thought the classic line was "I don't have time to bleed".
My favorite movie line: "You better decide what side of the cross you're on. We need nailers, not hangers!" Russell Crowe, BODY OF LIES.
| 743 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:21:28am |
re: #723 lawhawk
Arrests of IRGC have been alleged, claiming that some of them refused to take orders to go after Mousavi's demonstrators.
Not confirmed.
If true, it would suggest that IRGC and Ahmadinejad is in trouble; which would further explain why it's alleged that Hizbullah thugs and Basji were imported to deal with the demonstrators. Ahmadinejad wasn't too trusting of the IRGC.
IF (IF) it's true, unrest inside the IRGC is very promising.
/I still wanna know what's happening inside the regular Army
| 744 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:21:35am |
Its official:
Iran clamps down on foreign media
From that link:
'Authorities in Iran have announced sweeping new restrictions on foreign media, effectively confining journalists to their offices.'
| 745 |
SFGoth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:22:05am |
There are definitely some :ubersexlich Iranian girls. Wonder if they make good goths.
| 746 |
Sean Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:22:41am |
All the Iranian unrest is nearly 20 years after Beijing, 41 years after Prague.
Every generation has someone step up for freedom?
| 747 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:22:43am |
re: #727 avanti
I updinged Cato for a least trying to get his opinion out
And you just didn't notice about how his opinion was always surrounded by spittle commenting on how stupid everyone was who disagreed with him? No? Nada?
| 748 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:22:49am |
re: #745 SFGoth
There are definitely some :ubersexlich Iranian girls. Wonder if they make good goths.
they've already got the all black wardrobe!
////
| 749 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:23:17am |
re: #712 yma o hyd
I have no idea where they get their information from - and note that their last update is 30 mins ago, but worth keeping an eye on:
From that link:
''14.39 Footage from Tehran is now emerging showing pro-Musavi demonstrators on the streets - it is not clear whether they are on the way to the main square where the hardliners are showing their support for Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. '
civil war ...
| 750 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:23:19am |
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's top legislative body on Tuesday ruled out annulling a disputed presidential poll that has prompted the biggest street protests since the 1979 Islamic revolution, but said it was prepared for a partial recount.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Translation: We'll recount some but the result ain't changing
| 751 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:23:23am |
re: #725 spidly
Shut the fuck up pal...You could have just apologized for being a little prick to a lady...
Guess that's above you...
| 752 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:23:24am |
And here's a rumour:
'# poeple in streets are talking about a fail attempt by IRG to arrest Admiral Shamkhani (Khatami's def minister) #iranelection
4 minutes ago from web'
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 754 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:24:10am |
| 755 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:24:16am |
re: #742 Alouette
My favorite movie line: "You better decide what side of the cross you're on. We need nailers, not hangers!" Russell Crowe, BODY OF LIES.
My fav. Rocky - "Over the years I've lost almost twenty bucks outta that locker, it may not sound like much but it really adds up".
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:24:33am |
re: #741 Occasional Reader
WHAT?!
Bite your tongue! Predator is thoroughly enjoyable. Okay, it's not Casablanca, but it's a fun flick.
On stilts!
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apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:25:04am |
re: #742 Alouette
My favorite movie line: "You better decide what side of the cross you're on. We need nailers, not hangers!" Russell Crowe, BODY OF LIES.
"Hey, I'm walking here"! Remember?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:25:13am |
re: #727 avanti
I've noticed a trend on both right and left blogs. When the guy from the other side makes a statement, the majority on the other side starts slamming each and every part of it. One comment feeds on another, and with all the like minded opinions, a since of the rightness of you opinion sets in.
If a conservative speaks up on a leftie blogs, or a leftie on a conservative blog, he does so at his own peril. He's spoiling the fun of all the mutual reinforcement of the hatred for the other guy, and is better off just letting the other side vent in peace. The risk for both sides is a unrestrained echo chamber can run out of control and see disagreement turn into a true derangement.
I updinged Cato for a least trying to get his opinion out, even if it was unwelcome, I saw no problem with some of him logic.
You rarely see opposition comments here turn into "derangement," unless the single dissenter is not capable or refuses to debate and defend their point.
Cato is a very good example (since you brought him up). He will simply repeat himself over and over, not really building on the body of comments, and then actually run away.
We have disagreements here all the time, between each other, conservatives on conservatives, yet you don't see people dropping off like flies. Why, because they can debate like adults, disagree and then go on to another subject.
Most of the real "hate" happens here because of a obtuse debater who has no real knowledge of the subject or they are someone who is purposely trying to cause trouble.
I don't think the idea is to "dumb down" the quality of the debate and the level of disagreements just to accommodate the lowest common denominator.
I don't agree with you.
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:25:18am |
re: #750 Nevergiveup
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's top legislative body on Tuesday ruled out annulling a disputed presidential poll that has prompted the biggest street protests since the 1979 Islamic revolution, but said it was prepared for a partial recount.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Translation: We'll recount some but the result ain't changing
'... the powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount some votes from Friday's disputed presidential poll.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner and thousands of his supporters are rallying in Tehran.
But his rival Mir Hossein Mousavi and other candidates are seeking a rerun.
The BBC's Jon Leyne in Tehran says they may not accept the recount offer.'
(My emphasis)
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:25:23am |
Have we heard from Winston06 this AM?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:25:34am |
re: #756 Ben Hur
On stilts!
At least on stilts you might see the beautiful girl on the flying trapeze. In the clown car, everything looks like pants.
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:25:58am |
re: #685 yma o hyd
Good afternoon {yma} good to see you out here again!
The Beeb did file a complaint with, iirc the UN, because Iran has been interferring with thier uploading news stories and videos to the communications satelelite - this was reported, iirc, on Sunday here.
Hope you're doing better my dear friend.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:26:08am |
re: #727 avanti
I've noticed a trend on both right and left blogs. When the guy from the other side makes a statement, the majority on the other side starts slamming each and every part of it. One comment feeds on another, and with all the like minded opinions, a since of the rightness of you opinion sets in.
If a conservative speaks up on a leftie blogs, or a leftie on a conservative blog, he does so at his own peril. He's spoiling the fun of all the mutual reinforcement of the hatred for the other guy, and is better off just letting the other side vent in peace. The risk for both sides is a unrestrained echo chamber can run out of control and see disagreement turn into a true derangement.
I updinged Cato for a least trying to get his opinion out, even if it was unwelcome, I saw no problem with some of him logic.
You saw nothing wrong with his style of delivery? He got the most downdings for insulting everyone else who disagreed with him and complaining about what a bunch of morons and deranged wingnuts the rest of us are. He also got extra downdings for spamming his spew across threads.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:26:50am |
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:27:05am |
re: #760 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Have we heard from Winston06 this AM?
No - and there is nothing new on his twitter, either.
I hope he's sleeping, he was very tired last night.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:27:31am |
re: #761 OldLineTexan
At least on stilts you might see the beautiful girl on the flying trapeze. In the clown car, everything looks like pants.
Which remind me; trapeze academy has opened here in DC. (Really.) Should I go?
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:27:32am |
re: #725 spidly
Sorry, I think Sharmuta is too often a bully and goes personal really quickly.
How ironic that you say that.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:27:36am |
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
I liked your other avatar, wearing the bowler hat.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:27:38am |
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
Thanks for shipping me that Meteorite...That is so cool!
Thank you again Walter....You da man
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:27:46am |
| 772 |
Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:28:17am |
re: #767 Occasional Reader
Which remind me; trapeze academy has opened here in DC. (Really.) Should I go?
Chicks, man.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:28:23am |
Is anyone else REALLY GLAD that Iran doesn't have nukes yet?
And I'd like to hear some Western leaders say that these events show that Iran should not have nuclear technology at all, and an embargo on all fuel and materials that can be used in a nuclear program. Also request the Russians take back all the material they've given to Iran.
If they did have nukes, would they nuke, say, Israel to rally the citizens around the government, or would we see different factions nuking each other?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:28:31am |
re: #770 HoosierHoops
Thanks for shipping me that Meteorite...That is so cool!
YOU FOOL! THAT'S KRYPTONITE! Walter is trying to strip you of your superpowers!
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:28:44am |
re: #760 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Winston was last active on twitter about 5 hours ago. Might have gone down for a nap.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:28:56am |
re: #767 Occasional Reader
Which remind me; trapeze academy has opened here in DC. (Really.) Should I go?
Do they have a weight limit? I'm still over 200 lb., probably not good for me to swing on less than a meathook.
/
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:29:06am |
re: #759 yma o hyd
'... the powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount some votes from Friday's disputed presidential poll.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner and thousands of his supporters are rallying in Tehran.But his rival Mir Hossein Mousavi and other candidates are seeking a rerun.
The BBC's Jon Leyne in Tehran says they may not accept the recount offer.'
(My emphasis)
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Maybe, or it may be an offer they can't refuse?
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:29:19am |
re: #763 realwest
Good afternoon {yma} good to see you out here again!
The Beeb did file a complaint with, iirc the UN, because Iran has been interferring with thier uploading news stories and videos to the communications satelelite - this was reported, iirc, on Sunday here.
Hope you're doing better my dear friend.
Hiya, {rw} - and thanks!
The situation in Iran, and how its been playing out on the web, is a good distraction. It means I don't have the time to think of what happened here. It does help ...
I hope you all are ok on this fine summer day!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:29:27am |
re: #775 BlueCanuck
Winston was last active on twitter about 5 hours ago. Might have gone down for a nap.
Thanks.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:29:58am |
re: #772 Ben Hur
Chicks, man.
Problems with that:
1) Mrs. Reader frowns on that sort of thing.
2) When they cart me off in an ambulance, whimpering about my wrenched back, the chicks won't be too impressed, anyway.
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:30:24am |
re: #727 avanti
A true analysis of what often happens. Skeptics upset the groupthink.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:30:31am |
spidly 11/20/2008 2:52:22 pm PST
jeez...not to sympathize with the Nazis out there, but this makes me want to get a big ass odin's cross tattoo and fly to Berlin. This crap is so stupid.
hey what happens if you have a tat on your neck? do you get government provided turtlenecks or laser removal?
Nice.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:30:33am |
re: #776 OldLineTexan
Do they have a weight limit? I'm still over 200 lb., probably not good for me to swing on less than a meathook.
/
Seeing images of Good Fellas in my head
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:30:45am |
re: #775 BlueCanuck
Winston was last active on twitter about 5 hours ago. Might have gone down for a nap.
My Dog Twitters? I'm going to kick his butt....What did he tell you?
*wink*
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legalpad Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:30:48am |
re: #774 Occasional Reader
YOU FOOL! THAT'S KRYPTONITE! Walter is trying to strip you of your superpowers!
I use to sell kryptonite to kids on my block. :)
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:31:13am |
re: #708 Occasional Reader
There are so many to choose from! For instance, the immortal:
"You are one UGLY motherf****r!"
"I'm here, huckleberry"
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:31:19am |
re: #780 Occasional Reader
Problems with that:
1) Mrs. Reader frowns on that sort of thing.
2) When they cart me off in an ambulance, whimpering about my wrenched back, the chicks won't be too impressed, anyway.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:31:24am |
re: #725 spidly
and I've been here longer than both you combined.
And pray tell that makes your posts more valid because ,,,,?
what are you? 12?
And again, the "Na Na Boo Boo, I've been here longer you" elevates you to older than 12 ?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:31:41am |
re: #783 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Seeing images of Good Fellas in my head
"It didn't work out with OldLineTexan. It just didn't work out, and there was nuttin' anyone could do about it."
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Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:31:41am |
re: #764 Alouette
I don't think his comments were directed at everyone, even if it ended up looking that way. I think he's just pissed off at all the knee-jerk ODS that some posters exhibit. (Which doesn't exist of course "Whaaaat? ODS ? What is this....thing of which you speak?I've never seen anyone do thaaaat!)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:31:43am |
Harsh video from Huffpo...
A very graphic video (reader beware) of a group of men clad head-to-toe in black jumpsuits dragging a handcuffed man through the street and pummeling him with clubs.As the foreign media crackdown shifts into high gear, it is a tragic blessing that we have these kinds of videos. Unlike 10 or even 5 years ago, the world won't be blind to this repression even without professional news crews on the ground.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:32:01am |
re: #770 HoosierHoops
Thanks for shipping me that Meteorite...That is so cool!
Thank you again Walter....You da man
You welcome.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:32:02am |
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songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:32:02am |
If Achma-shorty has a fake assassination attempt, he can claim to be that 12th Imadi (or whatever it's called) - the Muslim "Messiah."
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:32:12am |
re: #777 Nevergiveup
Maybe, or it may be an offer they can't refuse?
If so - it will become clear after today, after their rally and that of Ahmadinejad's followers.
I am still pondering the Mossad comment you posted earlier, upthread.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:32:55am |
re: yma o hyd
If so - it will become clear after today, after their rally and that of Ahmadinejad's followers.
I am still pondering the Mossad comment you posted earlier, upthread.
Never mind the pikers at the Mossad. I'll steer you straight.
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Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:33:40am |
re: #759 yma o hyd
Thye recount offer is just an attempt to stall while they try to regain control. I don't see anyone being fooled by it.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:34:05am |
re: #784 HoosierHoops
My Dog Twitters? I'm going to kick his butt....What did he tell you?
*wink*
Bigger bones, and more walks. :)
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avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:34:07am |
re: #781 Kenneth
A true analysis of what often happens. Skeptics upset the groupthink.
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:34:08am |
Has anyone seen this, from the spinoffs (2:50 PM update:)
2:50PM: Introducing our latest weapon: Zionist Death Tweets.TM (Hat tip: Laura)
The link goes to someplace that blames Israel for all the Twitter traffic talking about what's going on in Iran.
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:34:14am |
re: #797 haakondahl
Never mind the pikers at the Mossad. I'll steer you straight.
:-)))))
(I couldn't possibly comment ....!)
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:34:17am |
re: Jimmah
Thye recount offer is just an attempt to stall while they try to regain control. I don't see anyone being fooled by it.
What's more, it would only validate their claim.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:34:49am |
re: avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
You would say that, Commie.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:01am |
So, there was a lot of hype in NJ in the past couple of weeks because the new ARC tunnel groundbreaking took place. It's a major infrastructure undertaking - $8.7 billion to build two new rail tunnels between NJ and NYC, which were originally set to expand Amtrak and NJ Transit service.
Corzine, Lautenberg, and Menendez all crowed about the federal aid for the project.
All of a sudden today, there's a report saying that the federal portion - $3 billion or so may not be forthcoming after all, which begs the question what the heck were those three clowns doing in the first place, and where is the money when it was part of the porkfest (and was going to Amtrak, one of VP Joe Biden's pet projects, even if he originally thought the tunnels were for car traffic).
How will we make up the shortfall? Taxes and tolls of course, but no one is saying.
| 808 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:28am |
re: #743 pre-Boomer Marine brat
IF (IF) it's true, unrest inside the IRGC is very promising.
/I still wanna know what's happening inside the regular Army
My guess is the regular army is confined to barracks. Prior to the election the army canceled all leave.
| 809 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:29am |
re: #746 Sean
All the Iranian unrest is nearly 20 years after Beijing, 41 years after Prague.
Every generation has someone step up for freedom?
Yes, and we were fortunate to have President George W. Bush stand up for Iraq. And I can't help but bleive that the Iranian "dissidents" saw photos of all those Iraqi's with purple fingers. And took a lesson from that.
| 810 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:32am |
re: #801 avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
Ironic, considering the behavior being discussed.
| 811 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:44am |
re: #799 Ben Hur
I find HuffPo's coverage a little ironic.
I am enjoying how the Iranian's freedom is worth supporting for some lefties, but not the Iraqis.
| 812 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:45am |
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:52am |
re: #798 Jimmah
Thye recount offer is just an attempt to stall while they try to regain control. I don't see anyone being fooled by it.
No - which is a good thing. Its also good that, for once, the Beeb man in Tehran isn't taken in by what the 'official government' says.
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:35:57am |
re: #727 avanti
I've noticed a trend on both right and left blogs. When the guy from the other side makes a statement, the majority on the other side starts slamming each and every part of it. One comment feeds on another, and with all the like minded opinions, a since of the rightness of you opinion sets in.
What Cato did was, at it's core, no different from Mos Def when he said 'I don't have to believe CNN just cuz they said it.'
Cato is more articulate than Mos Def and not an idiot, but he essentially made a one dimensional point as an argument. Then to double down, went condescending. The results of that dialog were because of what he said and how he said it, not the standard lefty/righty blog dynamic.
| 816 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:36:20am |
re: #791 Killgore Trout
Harsh video from Huffpo...
jeezus .... do you think they'll put panties on his head when they get him to the dungeon? as we know, that would be torture. but when they beat this poor kid to death or chop his head off, that's just "iranians being iranians." I see no problem with such a regime getting nukes .... right Mr President?
| 817 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:36:25am |
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VegasRick Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:36:56am |
re: #809 realwest
Yes, and we were fortunate to have President George W. Bush stand up for Iraq. And I can't help but bleive that the Iranian "dissidents" saw photos of all those Iraqi's with purple fingers. And took a lesson from that.
Great point RW.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:37:27am |
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:37:28am |
re: #802 Kosh's Shadow
Has anyone seen this, from the spinoffs (2:50 PM update:)
The link goes to someplace that blames Israel for all the Twitter traffic talking about what's going on in Iran.
WEll, someone's intelligence agency is helping with either money, coordination, equipment and the means to get videos, etc out to the world.
| 822 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:37:30am |
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:37:44am |
Ugh. Wife is returning today from a two week trip to Europe. While I'll be thrilled to have her home, that means that I have exactly 6 hours to get the house/yard/patio into presentable shape. Amazing how much of a mess I can make.
| 824 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:37:50am |
re: BigPapa
What Cato did was, at it's core, no different from Mos Def when he said 'I don't have to believe CNN just cuz they said it.'
Cato is more articulate than Mos Def and not an idiot, but he essentially made a one dimensional point as an argument. Then to double down, went condescending. The results of that dialog were because of what he said and how he said it, not the standard lefty/righty blog dynamic.
Exactly. I have this issue with some folks who are quite popular here, for some reason. Folks who are thought to write well by others.
| 825 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:38:07am |
re: #811 Sharmuta
I am enjoying how the Iranian's freedom is worth supporting for some lefties, but not the Iraqis.
hmmmm,,,,lets see,,, what has changed ,,, hmmm,,,,
Brutal regimes? Nope,, Iraq was and Iran is
UN Sanctions? Nope,, They were imposed on both countries
Lets see,,,, couldn't be that Bush = Iraq and 0Bama = Iran, could it?
Naaaaahhhhhh
/////
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:38:21am |
re: #757 apachegunner
Hey Guns! How are you today? And I surely do remember that line from a truly great film with Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight doing impressive - even by their standards - acting jobs. Midnight Cowboy - just a great flick.
| 827 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:38:23am |
'# Confirmed: cellphones are blocked in Iran, yet again. #IranElection #GR88
9 minutes ago from mobile web '
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 828 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:38:29am |
re: #801 avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
Hey Chief...Nobody should call out somebody when they aren't on the board.
Agreed?
I would never insult you behind your back... I respect your opinion...We don't often agree on things...But you have my respect Chief...
| 829 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:38:34am |
re: #791 Killgore Trout
Don't they look so courageous and manly in their masks?
Ooooo, they DO have balls!
/*spit*
| 830 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:38:52am |
re: #809 realwest
Yes, and we were fortunate to have President George W. Bush stand up for Iraq. And I can't help but bleive that the Iranian "dissidents" saw photos of all those Iraqi's with purple fingers. And took a lesson from that.
agree 100% ... and the President should say so publicly.
| 831 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:18am |
re: #584 Nevergiveup
Carter to ask Obama to remove Hamas from the list of terrorist groups. What a giant tool.
As I commented in the spinoffs:
I have a better idea - add Carter to the list of terror supporters and don't let him back in the country. Get the media to call him "Former president, anti-Semite, and terrorist supporter" if they report on him at all.
| 833 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:28am |
| 834 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:29am |
FYI:
Instapundit has turned his banner green in solidarity with the Iranian people. Good on him.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:31am |
re: #811 Sharmuta
I am enjoying how the Iranian's freedom is worth supporting for some lefties, but not the Iraqis.
Funny how Putin, Chavez, Dinnerjacket, etc all ended up being the droids they were looking for.
They were EVERYTHING HuffPo & Co accused Bush of being.
| 836 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:32am |
re: #808 Kenneth
My guess is the regular army is confined to barracks. Prior to the election the army canceled all leave.
Didn't know that. Not surprised.
And probably with tightly-controlled info coming in.
| 837 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:43am |
re: HoosierHoops
Hey Chief...Nobody should call out somebody when they aren't on the board.
Agreed?
I would never insult you behind your back... I respect your opinion...We don't often agree on things...But you have my respect Chief...
Oh, I disagree about the calling out in presence only--after all, that's what the internet is for, right?
| 838 |
Bloodnok Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:39:43am |
re: #725 spidly
Oh DO go on about how long you've been here. We're all VERY impressed.
Face it. There are more and newer Lizards doing the talking and you don't like it. The blog is passing you by and you take out that fact on Sharm and on Hoops. We've seen your kind here before.
| 839 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:40:00am |
re: #790 Jimmah
I don't think his comments were directed at everyone, even if it ended up looking that way. I think he's just pissed off at all the knee-jerk ODS that some posters exhibit. (Which doesn't exist of course "Whaaaat? ODS ? What is this....thing of which you speak?I've never seen anyone do thaaaat!)
It is difficult to keep your temper when you are defending a unpopular position and subject to multiple attacks from all sides. Once you feel a "fuck you" starting to wind it's way toward the keyboard, it's better to retreat and wait for calmer times to discuss the issue.
| 840 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:40:12am |
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avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:40:25am |
| 842 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:40:27am |
re: #795 songbird
In the Western media we write his name "Ahmadinejad" In Iran, his name is written as "Ahmadi Nejad" which means in Farsi "The Mahdi's Decendant".
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KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:41:06am |
| 845 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:41:16am |
re: #834 lawhawk
FYI:
Instapundit has turned his banner green in solidarity with the Iranian people. Good on him.
Maybe Charles will turn the football green.
/
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:41:34am |
| 848 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:41:35am |
and speaking of the "Patron Saint of islamofascism ... "
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
anyone who believes that hamas foiled an actual assassination plot against jimmah is on drugs. this is the most transparent attempt to paint hamas as a force for good that I can imagine. I call BULLSHIT
| 849 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:41:39am |
re: #751 HoosierHoops
Shut the fuck up pal...You could have just apologized for being a little prick to a lady...
Guess that's above you...
eat me.... you could have just admitted it being a fanboy of anything but a true lady.
How about we all avoid confrontation on trivial BS?
Don't really like Sharmuta - she reminds of my sister when she's on a tear, like now: she wants to threaten to sue my dead brother's fiancee over the disposition of his ashes because he named his fiancee executor and she will not let my mother bury so much as an ounce of his ashes per the vague requests in his suicide note. You're like her lawyer... either of their lawyers.... who will defend either of them for approval.
| 850 |
Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:42:02am |
re: #829 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Don't they look so courageous and manly in their masks?
Ooooo, they DO have balls!/*spit*
Civilian Security Forces?
| 851 |
KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:42:10am |
re: #823 lincolntf
Ugh. Wife is returning today from a two week trip to Europe. While I'll be thrilled to have her home, that means that I have exactly 6 hours to get the house/yard/patio into presentable shape. Amazing how much of a mess I can make.
What happened with the credit card thing?
| 852 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:42:26am |
re: #848 _RememberTonyC
and speaking of the "Patron Saint of islamofascism ... "
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
anyone who believes that hamas foiled an actual assassination plot against jimmah is on drugs. this is the most transparent attempt to paint hamas as a force for good that I can imagine. I call BULLSHIT
It was a Pallywood production which they intended to blame on Israel.
| 853 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:42:32am |
re: #782 Sharmuta
Hey, don't bully him! He's been a lizard 2 years longer than you! LEAVE SPIDLY A-LONE! It's just like a bully for you to point out weird statements spidly makes.
| 855 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:42:49am |
re: #752 yma o hyd
And here's a rumour:
'# poeple in streets are talking about a fail attempt by IRG to arrest Admiral Shamkhani (Khatami's def minister) #iranelection
4 minutes ago from web'
[Link: twitter.com...]
And from that same link is this:
They are filtering everything! Gmail is blocked now!
| 856 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:42:51am |
Yalda_1368 basijis and police are seizing satellite recievers in Iran. They are working from north to south. #Iranelection
shukriadams RT @STOPnejad: Security forces are setting up twitter accounts to spread disinformation posing as protesters #iranelection #gr88. half a minute ago from TweetDeck
TinPanAlley RT PLEASE #Iranelection There has been NO CONFIRMATION of army in streets of Tehran, just a rumor, contacts there don't confirm.
Lot of chaff in the air at the moment. At least the retweets of #IranElection being shut down have slowed to a trickle and almost stopped.
| 858 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:43:52am |
re: #810 OldLineTexan
Ironic, considering the behavior being discussed.
OK, I don't know what was in Cato's heart, and perhaps he did cross the line a few times later in the tread, but I can understand his frustration.
| 859 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:43:52am |
re: #841 avanti
Nazi
I don't think your a commie Avanti. I hardly ever agree with you but you served and your no commie. Maybe misguided at times but that's ok.
| 860 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:09am |
re: #849 spidly
WTF?
Are you serious?
Don't tell me to eat me you little fuck....Are you serious?
| 861 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:14am |
re: #773 Kosh's Shadow
Hi KS - no, they'd nuke Israel if they could. Easier to rally the populace against an outside enemy than any other way I'm afraid.
That's why I acknowledge that Obama has to walk on eggshells. And he's right that we don't want the US to be the subject of "discourse" in Iran. But he didn't have to go around them completely the way he did.
| 862 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:30am |
re: #836 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Didn't know that. Not surprised.
And probably with tightly-controlled info coming in.
And if they let the army out, they'll have been convinced the rioters are all controlled by the Mossad and the CIA.
| 863 |
Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:35am |
re: #852 Alouette
It was a Pallywood production which they intended to blame on Israel.
Yes.
It would've been spun as "The Israelis did it to make us look bad."
| 864 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:38am |
re: #849 spidly
eat me.... you could have just admitted it being a fanboy of anything but a true lady.
How about we all avoid confrontation on trivial BS?
Don't really like Sharmuta - she reminds of my sister when she's on a tear, like now: she wants to threaten to sue my dead brother's fiancee over the disposition of his ashes because he named his fiancee executor and she will not let my mother bury so much as an ounce of his ashes per the vague requests in his suicide note. You're like her lawyer... either of their lawyers.... who will defend either of them for approval.
Damn.
| 865 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:40am |
re: Nevergiveup
I don't think your a commie Avanti. I hardly ever agree with you but you served and your no commie. Maybe misguided at times but that's ok.
Chief got the joke.
| 867 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:52am |
re: #839 avanti
It is difficult to keep your temper when you are defending a unpopular position and subject to multiple attacks from all sides. Once you feel a "fuck you" starting to wind it's way toward the keyboard, it's better to retreat and wait for calmer times to discuss the issue.
Why. "Can't we all get along?" No, we can't, and I have no problem with letting someone know that I don't agree with them, to the point of saying "fuck you" if I feel that's what's necessary to let the other person know how I feel.
Disagreement, and strong disagreement doesn't mean you "hate" someone. That's a typical liberal tactic, whine about being "calm," in hopes you deride your debate opponent.
| 868 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:44:55am |
OK this is absolute BS. A knife introduced in the UK that you supposedly can't murder someone with:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
That knucklehead has alot to learn about people, knives and murder.
"It can never be a totally safe knife, but the idea is you can’t inflict a fatal wound," he said. "Nobody could just grab one out of the kitchen drawer and kill someone."
| 869 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:45:04am |
re: #801 avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
Cato was the skeptic, but he didn't engage the alternates, insulted and belittled all. Downdings galore.
| 870 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:45:08am |
re: #788 sattv4u2
and I've been here longer than both you combined.
And pray tell that makes your posts more valid because ,,,,?
what are you? 12?
And again, the "Na Na Boo Boo, I've been here longer you" elevates you to older than 12 ?
READ WITH COMPREHENSION! I was responding to the assertion and making fun of the assertion that we here at LGF are a "Band of Brothers"
| 871 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:45:10am |
The View from the Gulag
From the June 21, 2004 issue: An interview with Natan Sharansky: He describes the "beautiful moment" when the news of the Evil Empire speech reached Siberia.
I have to laugh. People who take freedom for granted, Ronald Reagan for granted, always ask such questions. Of course! It was the great brilliant moment when we learned that Ronald Reagan had proclaimed the Soviet Union an Evil Empire before the entire world. There was a long list of all the Western leaders who had lined up to condemn the evil Reagan for daring to call the great Soviet Union an evil empire right next to the front-page story about this dangerous, terrible man who wanted to take the world back to the dark days of the Cold War. This was the moment. It was the brightest, most glorious day. Finally a spade had been called a spade. Finally, Orwell's Newspeak was dead. President Reagan had from that moment made it impossible for anyone in the West to continue closing their eyes to the real nature of the Soviet Union.It was one of the most important, freedom-affirming declarations, and we all instantly knew it. For us, that was the moment that really marked the end for them, and the beginning for us. The lie had been exposed and could never, ever be untold now. This was the end of Lenin's "Great October Bolshevik Revolution" and the beginning of a new revolution, a freedom revolution--Reagan's Revolution.
We were all in and out of punishment cells so often--me more than most--that we developed our own tapping language to communicate with each other between the walls. A secret code. We had to develop new communication methods to pass on this great, impossible news. We even used the toilets to tap on.
The Case for Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror
Natan Sharansky
| 872 |
opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:46:14am |
Anybody else getting sick of Obama, Biden & others in the Administration complaining that they inherited two wars , a recession etc.?
Obama did not inherit from a dead uncle. He did not inherit at all, he ran for the job, he asked for the job telling us that he had solutions.
It is clear that he does not have real answere & so he scapegoats.
| 873 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:46:32am |
Poor Charles...He is going to read this Thread and go WTF?
Sorry my man.....
| 874 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:46:33am |
re: #846 haakondahl
How are yoou doing, Chief, Walter?
Fine. Waiting for a single subject opinion that I can write nicely about and end up with a "fuck you." Heck, someone has to do it :)
| 875 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:47:04am |
re: #870 spidly
READ WITH COMPREHENSION! I was responding to the assertion and making fun of the assertion that we here at LGF are a "Band of Brothers"
And yet you didn't respond to the meat of my post, the "I've been here longer than you" reasoning that what you post is more valid than anyone elses
talk about comprehending!
| 876 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:47:06am |
re: #794 Occasional Reader
Sorry, thought we were talking about great movie lines period, not just from one movie!
| 877 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:47:19am |
re: #846 haakondahl
How are yoou doing, Chief, Walter?
I'm fit as a fiddle, but out of Studebakers to sell this week, need to go shopping.
| 878 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:47:28am |
re: #801 avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
I guess you missed all of the insults that Cato was handing out last night?
| 879 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:47:59am |
re: Walter L. Newton
Why. "Can't we all get along?" No, we can't, and I have no problem with letting someone know that I don't agree with them, to the point of saying "fuck you" if I feel that's what's necessary to let the other person know how I feel.
Disagreement, and strong disagreement doesn't mean you "hate" someone. That's a typical liberal tactic, whine about being "calm," in hopes you deride your debate opponent.
Actually, I would have to disagree with you on this score as well, because... Oh, fuck yourself.
| 880 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:47:59am |
re: #849 spidly
I'm not your sister. Don't project your personal BS onto me.
| 881 |
ladycatnip Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:04am |
Just looked at headlines this morning before I'm off to work. I'm stunned. Has everyone seen this at Drudge?
ABC turning itself over to Obama - to anchor from WH
This can't be happening.
| 882 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:14am |
re: #870 spidly
READ WITH COMPREHENSION! I was responding to the assertion and making fun of the assertion that we here at LGF are a "Band of Brothers"
Nobody here once said Band of brothers....But you..
Play fair or go away.It's that simple....Band of Brothers...oh please!
| 883 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:15am |
re: #850 Ben Hur
Civilian Security Forces?
Anti-riot police.
Politicized, not like our professionals.
| 884 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:25am |
re: #873 HoosierHoops
Poor Charles...He is going to read this Thread and go WTF?
Sorry my man.....
I'm here this morning trying to catch up on the situations in Iran and I have to scroll through all this squabbling to find information. On some days it's just not worth the effort.
| 885 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:41am |
re: #725 spidly
and other stupid "I'm anonymous" bravado BS. Never had a disagreement with either of you that I can remember on any major points; just Sharmuta on a few trivial things like the "isn't that sexist - not a very good example but similarly trivial - stupid matters "
Updinged, mainly because I was a little troubled to find that no one had bothered to downding Sharmuta's comment #145. It's not that the comment was terribly offensive, but if nothing else, it did endorse a stale cliché about men. And friends don't let friends burp out stale clichés without at least a mild glare of disapproval.
| 886 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:46am |
re: #859 Nevergiveup
I don't think your a commie Avanti. I hardly ever agree with you but you served and your no commie. Maybe misguided at times but that's ok.
I got his joke, but thanks for having my back.
| 887 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:46am |
re: #878 Walter L. Newton
I guess you missed all of the insults that Cato was handing out last night?
Which thread? I don't see them in this one.
| 888 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:48:50am |
re: Killgore Trout
I'm here this morning trying to catch up on the situations in Iran and I have to scroll through all this squabbling to find information. On some days it's just not worth the effort.
Bye.
| 889 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:49:17am |
re: #801 avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
This is getting worrisome. I find myself agreeing with you more often than I ever used to. WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITHOUR AVANTI?!
| 890 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:49:20am |
re: #881 ladycatnip
Just looked at headlines this morning before I'm off to work. I'm stunned. Has everyone seen this at Drudge?
ABC turning itself over to Obama - to anchor from WH
This can't be happening.
ABC - Pravda.
Which network will become Izvestia?
| 891 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:49:20am |
re: #858 avanti
OK, I don't know what was in Cato's heart, and perhaps he did cross the line a few times later in the tread, but I can understand his frustration.
Cross the line later in the thread? That guy is constantly crossing lines. He uses peoples misspellings as clubs to beat them with then belittles their opinions because of it. The guy is an unmitigated ass.
| 892 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:49:53am |
re: #835 Ben Hur
Funny how Putin, Chavez, Dinnerjacket, etc all ended up being the droids they were looking for.
They were EVERYTHING HuffPo & Co accused Bush of being.
I agree with the comment, but the upding is for the "these are the droids we're looking for" reference.
| 893 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:49:55am |
| 894 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:49:57am |
re: #807 lawhawk
I hadn't heard that. $3 billion of the $8.7 billion may not be available, and there's no plan for what to do about it?
Well, look on the bright side: if they build a tunnel that only reaches 66% of the way under the river to New York, it'll still be better than nothing, right?
/
| 895 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:03am |
re: #884 Killgore Trout
I'm here this morning trying to catch up on the situations in Iran and I have to scroll through all this squabbling to find information. On some days it's just not worth the effort.
(Okay Haakondahl, I found one, watch)
It's an open thread. If you don't like the fact that we are discussing OPEN topics, then... hmmm... fuck you!
| 896 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:08am |
re: #842 Kenneth
In the Western media we write his name "Ahmadinejad" In Iran, his name is written as "Ahmadi Nejad" which means in Farsi "The Mahdi's Decendant".
I would not put it past that little Napoleon to pull a Messiah stunt.
| 897 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:11am |
re: BlueCanuck
Cross the line later in the thread? That guy is constantly crossing lines. He uses peoples misspellings as clubs to beat them with then belittles their opinions because of it. The guy is an unmitigated ass.
Two points for using "unmitigated" without "disaster".
| 898 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:13am |
re: #885 Throbert McGee
And I was called on it, and I said my friend BatGuano was correct.
Seems going through the previous comments, this one is pissed off about a couple conversations on Zogby, of all things.
| 899 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:16am |
re: #839 avanti
You seem to be able to weather multiple attacks better than anyone else here. You have a lot of patience and self control.
| 900 |
ladycatnip Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:26am |
#872 opnion
Be prepared to get sicker with ABC as his mouthpiece. He can have press conferences 3x a day, every day, whenever he wants to complain or blame.
| 901 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:50:53am |
re: #862 Kosh's Shadow
And if they let the army out, they'll have been convinced the rioters are all controlled by the Mossad and the CIA.
The only hope is for a junta of leaders who are aware of what's going on and can get in and rally some of the troops.
/yeah, it's a stretch
| 902 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:51:02am |
'15.20 The ban on foreign journalists seems to have stemmed the flow of information fairly successfully and it remains unclear what has happened on today's demonstration against the disputed presidential election.'
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
And with cellphones, gmail down, satellite dishes being destroyed, its all become a big black hole.
I do hope that some twitters can repair links, and that especially the US geeks, who ought to be awake now, can lend a helping hand.
| 903 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:51:09am |
re: #839 avanti
Once you feel a "fuck you" starting to wind it's way toward the keyboard, it's better to retreat and wait for calmer times to discuss the issue.
LOL. I love that mental image. Thank you.
And it is good advice. I know, because I have been both the giver and receiver of such messages.
| 904 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:51:31am |
re: #870 spidly
Man, step back away from the keyboard for a minute, and take a serious look at what you are typing. If you don't like her, downding, maybe make a little post about why you think she's wrong, and move on. Ad hominem bullshit does nothing here but piss everyone off. All that does is to make you look like a jerk.
| 905 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:51:57am |
re: #903 Kenneth
LOL. I love that mental image. Thank you.
And it is good advice. I know, because I have been both the giver and receiver of such messages.
LOL
that is funny....Hey Ken..Hope today finds you well
| 907 |
Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:52:31am |
The only way to bring an end to the crisis in Iran is the fix the healthcare system in the US.
| 908 |
dapperdave Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:52:41am |
re: #881 ladycatnip
Ohh yes it can, lock step jack booted liberals falling into place, hopefully we'll still have elections in 2010 and 2012.
| 909 |
KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:52:55am |
re: #872 opnion
Anybody else getting sick of Obama, Biden & others in the Administration complaining that they inherited two wars , a recession etc.?
Obama did not inherit from a dead uncle. He did not inherit at all, he ran for the job, he asked for the job telling us that he had solutions.
It is clear that he does not have real answere & so he scapegoats.
Someone needs to tell Obama his 15 minutes of BLAME are over.
| 910 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:53:05am |
re: #767 Occasional Reader
Which remind me; trapeze academy has opened here in DC. (Really.) Should I go?
Oh, far out! I remember seeing them set up in NYC. Alas, I don't have medical coverage right at the moment, so I probably ought to stay away from trapeze-related activities...
| 911 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:53:13am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
I wonder if it ever occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities.
It not only occurs to us, but some of us have lived with them.
"A pretty face can hide an evil mind"
| 912 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:53:23am |
re: #904 Honorary Yooper
Man, step back away from the keyboard for a minute, and take a serious look at what you are typing. If you don't like her, downding, maybe make a little post about why you think she's wrong, and move on. Ad hominem bullshit does nothing here but piss everyone off. All that does is to make you look like a jerk.
Dang...good post...Wished I could say that....
| 913 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:53:40am |
re: #851 KenJen
Oh, Bank of Am. gave me the name of three places she had spent money and told me to contact her and then contact them with the amounts she spent (as much as a confirmation that I was who I said it was, as a verification of the charges, I think) to get the account unblocked. I e-mailed her frantically (no phone # to reach her) for the rest of that night. Never heard back so I called the Bank back and when I tried to enter the ref. number they'd given me, the system said it was no longer valid. No way to reach a human from that point, so I went to the Bank in person and used the account. Worked fine, so I figured they had opened the account without me getting back to them (weird). When my wife did get back to me she told me that she had gone out and bought all the train tickets, etc. that she'd need and took out enough cash to get her through the trip if it ended up re-blocked (does that make any sense?). Long story short, it never effected her trip, but it annoyed and concerned the heck out of me.
Thank you for asking.
| 914 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:53:55am |
re: #895 Walter L. Newton
(Okay Haakondahl, I found one, watch)
It's an open thread. If you don't like the fact that we are discussing OPEN topics, then... hmmm... fuck you!
That was really classy, Walter. Classy.
| 915 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:54:09am |
re: #873 HoosierHoops
Poor Charles...He is going to read this Thread and go WTF?
Sorry my man.....
Nothing like an in-house lizard fight. Hope it all settles down and we can get back to our 'rat killing'.
| 916 |
Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:54:28am |
re: #906 Iron Fist
Anything that cuts can kill. Do their femorals up near the crease of the leg;and it is over. They will bleed out quickle.
[Link: gizmodo.com...]
| 917 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:54:38am |
re: #811 Sharmuta
I am enjoying how the Iranian's freedom is worth supporting for some lefties, but not the Iraqis.
Hi Sharmuta! Well of course, the evil Bush isn't in charge now!
AND they STILL don't get it - we have had, with the exception of the Civil War, PEACEFUL transfers of power in our wonderful Nation since our birth - every 4 or 8 years, the guy in charge hands the keys over to someone else. I don't think the MSM or the government, for that matter, mentions much less emphasizes that anywhere near enough. We are an EXAMPLE for others to follow.
| 918 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:54:45am |
re: #727 avanti
Dang thing called "work" is interfering with my LGF today. Well hopefully avanti you have noticed turn isn't your typical comment slammer. I don't recall the last time I even downdinged anybody here at LGF, this is a forum to voice an opinion or observation as long as it is just not outright foolish on it's face. This is a conservative blog for sure so if you are going to take a liberal position you should darn well be prepared to defend it, and more importantly willing to change your position based upon reasoned arguments to the contrary. I can't tell you how many times I've changed my opinion based on the feedback from all the wise people here at LGF. I've taken some pretty naive positions in the past but have never been treated disrespectfully here, partly I think because I am willing to concede that others have a more reasoned position. I'm not a conservative partisan in the sense I refuse to change my opinion regardless of the facts and the vast majority of the good people here are not either. Sure, sometimes people get a bit pissed off if you rile them up but at the end of the day they are reasonable. This is a great blog and you are part of it.
| 919 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:55:04am |
| 920 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:55:10am |
re: #890 Kosh's Shadow
The RNC complained that ABC refused a rebuttal or Rep. spokesperson to present their side. This is the response...
"ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions -- even when others have taken a more partisan approach and even in the face of criticism from extremes on both ends of the political spectrum. ABCNEWS is looking for the most thoughtful and diverse voices on this issue.
"ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."
It breaks down to "screw you righties", if we want a Republican we'll get Arlen Specter.
| 921 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:56:07am |
re: #907 Ben Hur
The only way to bring an end to the crisis in Iran is the fix the healthcare system in the US.
Your all wet, it's all connected to natural growth in the settlements on the West bank!
| 922 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:56:13am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Long time no see. I hope everyone is well.
| 923 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:56:18am |
re: #911 legalpad
And in the future, I will not make such generalizations. It's just- at times I see these comments from some of the male lizards about a beautiful woman and I wonder if they consider her personality. In the future, I will stop wondering and ask specific men that specific question, and leave the rest of you fine gents out of it.
Except Throbert- I will have to ask a slightly different question where he's concerned.
| 924 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:57:09am |
re: #878 Walter L. Newton
I guess you missed all of the insults that Cato was handing out last night?
Walter, I was only defending Cato and others right to be a dissenter. If he started the name calling, I will not try and defend that.
| 925 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:57:17am |
Personally, I know I'm jonesing for news from Iran, and worried about the good folks over there. I see this particular testy gathering as a bunch of people gathered on a street corner waiting for the tickertape to start up again.
A little pushing, a few punches--and when the machine starts up again we'll all be clustered around it.
| 926 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:57:35am |
re: #857 Iron Fist
In Farsi, the accent is on the second syllable. So his name is pronounced,
"ahMADi-neJAD"
or in your case... "dinNER-jacKET"
| 927 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:57:44am |
re: #735 OldLineTexan
Logic is great for "winning" debate points; slams and sneers are not, and invite counterattacks. Often, the sneering party takes great offense at being subject to what he/she dishes out. This is the root of bullying, and is instinctively recognized by others, who react viscerally.
Oh I didn't mention that, you get your ass torn up here avanti if you try and bully people around instead of using a reasoned argument. Not to say you do that, but those who do either get whacked or downdinged.
| 928 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:58:44am |
re: #915 songbird
Nothing like an in-house lizard fight. Hope it all settles down and we can get back to our 'rat killing'.
HeHeHe...Hope today finds you well..
Nobody gets stabbed in the back here while Charles allows me here..
Crap..I'd probably have to defend Avanti. Crap! LOL
| 929 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:12am |
re: #145 Sharmuta
I wonder if it ever occurs to men that good looking women can have ugly personalities.
I saw a T-shirt which alluded to that unfortunate fact:
No matter how beautiful she is, somebody somewhere is sick of her shit.
| 930 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:15am |
re: #926 Kenneth
In Farsi, the accent is on the second syllable. So his name is pronounced,
or in your case... "dinNER-jacKET"
So shouldn't it be farSI?/
| 931 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:27am |
re: #922 Ford_Prefect
Good Morning Lizards!
Long time no see. I hope everyone is well.
Hey Ford...Hope you are well!
| 932 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:28am |
And Throbert & legalpad-
I wish I could ding myself down on that now. It was unfair of me to say, and I apologize.
| 933 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:32am |
re: #889 realwest
This is getting worrisome. I find myself agreeing with you more often than I ever used to. WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITHOUR AVANTI?!
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.:)
| 934 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:46am |
re: #891 BlueCanuck
Cross the line later in the thread? That guy is constantly crossing lines. He uses peoples misspellings as clubs to beat them with then belittles their opinions because of it. The guy is an unmitigated ass.
He misspelled a word in the rant that he spammed across threads. However it sucked for many other reasons.
| 935 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:56am |
| 936 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7:59:57am |
I see the usual ad hominem whining and bullshit is alive and well this morning. I wonder if those doing it realize how stupid and arrogant it makes you all appear.
More importantly, it makes LGF look bad.
Why don't you all grow up or take it outside and settle it like gentlemen/gentlewomen, with pistols at 20 paces?
| 937 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:02am |
re: #921 Nevergiveup
Your all wet, it's all connected to natural growth in the settlements on the West bank!
My how times have changed. This time last year it would have been flatulance from cattle for us beef eaters causing global warming that triggered Iran's need for vast air conditioning that could only be powered thru peaceful nuclear power.
| 938 |
KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:13am |
re: #907 Ben Hur
The only way to bring an end to the crisis in Iran is the fix the healthcare system in the US.
Ha! If I had a dime for every time I've heard a liberal say that Obama's healthcare plan will fix this ecomony....
| 939 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:22am |
re: #928 HoosierHoops
HeHeHe...Hope today finds you well..
Nobody gets stabbed in the back here while Charles allows me here..
Crap..I'd probably have to defend Avanti. Crap! LOL
Hahahahaha! You will survive it too!
Today is good so far. Got a workout in and am preparing dinner before I go out.
Did you ever get on the boat? I'm guessing "no".
| 940 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:46am |
re: #747 Occasional Reader
And you just didn't notice about how his opinion was always surrounded by spittle commenting on how stupid everyone was who disagreed with him? No? Nada?
I guess I missed that yesterday afternoon. Hey OR, I'm going to look stupid here but what did he mean with that reference to McCain? That sure got a lot of downdings but to be honest I just didn't get it.
| 941 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:48am |
# it looks they are going to attack dorms again! IRG's chopper just passed by Yousefabad. there is noting left to destroy over there!
3 minutes ago from web
# I can't contact to anyone over there, the cell phones are out again.
half a minute ago from web
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 942 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:53am |
re: #830 _RememberTonyC
agree 100% ... and the President should say so publicly.
President Obama? Haahaahahahahahaha! Whew, great sense of humor there RTC!
| 943 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:00:57am |
| 944 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:01:16am |
re: #905 HoosierHoops
I'm good thanks. I hope you are well too.
| 945 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:01:17am |
re: #929 haakondahl
re: #145 Sharmuta
I saw a T-shirt which alluded to that unfortunate fact:
No matter how beautiful she is, somebody somewhere is sick of her shit.
Best tee shirt of all time..
I saw it on a smoking hot blonde..
You can't be first but you might be next....
Now that is a tee-shirt
| 946 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:01:32am |
re: #936 Spare O'Lake
I see the usual ad hominem whining and bullshit is alive and well this morning. I wonder if those doing it realize how stupid and arrogant it makes you all appear.
More importantly, it makes LGF look bad.
Why don't you all grow up or take it outside and settle it like gentlemen/gentlewomen, with pistols at 20 paces?
up-ding
| 947 |
opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:01:40am |
re: #900 ladycatnip
#872 opnion
Be prepared to get sicker with ABC as his mouthpiece. He can have press conferences 3x a day, every day, whenever he wants to complain or blame.
I am beginning to think that Obamas voice is the sound track for my life.
He is on constantly. IMO he is making a mistake, the brand is becoming stale.
| 948 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:01:42am |
Wait...Am I on the right site? People are defending and agreeing with Avanti? Boy, I have been gone for a while.
| 949 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:02:17am |
re: #923 Sharmuta
We tend to overlay our fantasies, essentially imagining their personalities. Women do it to men, too. Then god help us. After a few decades, some of us catch on, scrutinizing good-looking people even more.
| 950 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:02:19am |
re: #948 Ford_Prefect
Wait...Am I on the right site? People are defending and agreeing with Avanti? Boy, I have been gone for a while.
He's even made the Top Ten.
| 951 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:02:22am |
jackitemple RT @iranStreetNews: Riot police are beating the students of the Tech & Eng. Faculty of Azad University of Mashhad. #IranElection #GR88
roliranelection Riot police is arresting more of Mousavi supporters in Valiasr Tehran and sending them to Evin Prison- confirmed #IranElection #letsroll ...
The Basij are really going to be having fun if this finally settles down. Fun as in trying to play hide and seek, or tag you're dead.
| 952 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:02:50am |
re: #922 Ford_Prefect
Good Morning Lizards!
Long time no see. I hope everyone is well.
Some more well than others, apparently.
But good morning anyway!
| 953 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:02:53am |
| 954 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:02:59am |
re: Sharmuta
And Throbert & legalpad-
I wish I could ding myself down on that now. It was unfair of me to say, and I apologize.
Well, let's don't have a meltdown about it.
| 955 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:03:22am |
[Link: twitter.com...]
iranelection is back on!
Here are his latest:
'Basij attacking Shiraz and Mashad universities, Shiraz U's dean resigned'
'RUMOUR: the former prince of #Iran, Reza Pahlavi has announced returning to #Tehran in 36h.'
| 956 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:03:31am |
Anybody have some suggestions for products that I can sell at the Zionist Mall that aren't just for Jews? Specifically, Israeli products that aren't just Judaica. I have a section for Israeli cosmetics, would like to expand the electronic section.
| 957 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:03:32am |
re: #948 Ford_Prefect
Wait...Am I on the right site? People are defending and agreeing with Avanti? Boy, I have been gone for a while.
Only if they stab him in the Back...
Oh Crap! Help me Ford! LOL
| 958 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:03:54am |
re: #938 KenJen
Ha! If I had a dime for every time I've heard a liberal say that Obama's healthcare plan will fix this ecomony....
Obamacare will "fix" the economy the same way a vet fixes a dog.
| 959 |
MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:04:06am |
North Korea’s Kim Jong Il congratulated Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on his “election victory” in Iran, as did Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Syria’s Bashar Assad is bound to follow if he hasn’t already.
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
No doubt Mahmoud Abbas will follow soon as well.
| 960 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:04:29am |
re: #758 Walter L. Newton
Good comment Walter, like I said you can say (or not say) things here that get people riled up. If you don't get them riled they are always respectful, reasonable, and despite what the left may think - open minded.
| 961 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:04:42am |
re: yma o hyd
[Link: twitter.com...]
iranelection is back on!
Here are his latest:
'Basij attacking Shiraz and Mashad universities, Shiraz U's dean resigned'Between Pahlavi and Ahmadinejad, I;d say that only one of those aircraft will land.
'RUMOUR: the former prince of #Iran, Reza Pahlavi has announced returning to #Tehran in 36h.'
| 962 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:04:55am |
re: #826 realwest
Hey Guns! How are you today? And I surely do remember that line from a truly great film with Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight doing impressive - even by their standards - acting jobs. Midnight Cowboy - just a great flick.
Hey Hey RW, good to seeya and hope you and your mom are well. I shoulda known you'd be the one to spot that out, you never fail to impress me with your great mind :>)
| 963 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:04:56am |
re: #957 HoosierHoops
Only if they stab him in the Back...
Oh Crap! Help me Ford! LOL
LOL. You need a support group.
"Hello. My name is Ford. I have defended Avanti."
| 964 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:02am |
re: #956 Alouette
Can you handle food products? Everybody eats and there are some great Israeli foods.
| 965 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:05am |
I like to think I add a degree of sophistication to the room
| 966 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:06am |
re: #956 Alouette
Anybody have some suggestions for products that I can sell at the Zionist Mall that aren't just for Jews? Specifically, Israeli products that aren't just Judaica. I have a section for Israeli cosmetics, would like to expand the electronic section.
Do you have, or are you allowed to import, Israeli spices?
| 967 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:28am |
re: #959 MJ
North Korea’s Kim Jong Il congratulated Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on his “election victory” in Iran, as did Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Syria’s Bashar Assad is bound to follow if he hasn’t already.
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
No doubt Mahmoud Abbas will follow soon as well.
Hell of a line up.
| 968 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:38am |
re: #945 HoosierHoops
Best tee shirt of all time..
I saw it on a smoking hot blonde..
You can't be first but you might be next....
Now that is a tee-shirt
Except that on the back, it said "be the next jerk I beat up"
| 969 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:38am |
re: #959 MJ
North Korea’s Kim Jong Il congratulated Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on his “election victory” in Iran, as did Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Syria’s Bashar Assad is bound to follow if he hasn’t already.
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
No doubt Mahmoud Abbas will follow soon as well.
Russia has acknowledged Ahmadinejad's victory too:
Meanwhile, Ahmadinejad left for Russia on Tuesday to meet with President Dmitry Medvedev.There, he was welcomed as the "newly re-elected president of Iran," with Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov telling reporters, "the issue of elections in Iran is an internal affair of the Iranian people."
| 970 |
songbird Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:40am |
Terribly disturbing video from Iran. Police beating a man.
NOT for the faint of heart!
| 971 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:47am |
re: yma o hyd
[Link: twitter.com...]
iranelection is back on!
Here are his latest:
'Basij attacking Shiraz and Mashad universities, Shiraz U's dean resigned''RUMOUR: the former prince of #Iran, Reza Pahlavi has announced returning to #Tehran in 36h.'
Between Pahlavi'a plane and Ahmadinejad's, I'd say that only one of them will land ini Iran.
| 972 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:49am |
re: #868 johnnyreb
OK this is absolute BS. A knife introduced in the UK that you supposedly can't murder someone with:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
ROTFLMAO! No you can't possibly kill someone by stabbing them (ahem) but of course you could slash arteries and stand around and watch them bleed out.
WTH is wrong with these people? For craps sake you can stab someone to death with a damned ballpoint pen!
That knucklehead has alot to learn about people, knives and murder."It can never be a totally safe knife, but the idea is you can’t inflict a fatal wound," he said. "Nobody could just grab one out of the kitchen drawer and kill someone."
| 973 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:51am |
| 974 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:54am |
re: #948 Ford_Prefect
Wait...Am I on the right site? People are defending and agreeing with Avanti? Boy, I have been gone for a while.
*grin*
I've been teasing him about his "karma going to hell*
/and up-dinging too, because it's been appropriate a lot of times lately
| 975 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:05:59am |
re: #932 Sharmuta
And Throbert & legalpad-
I wish I could ding myself down on that now. It was unfair of me to say, and I apologize.
Maybe it's because I'm an old guy. I never fell in line with the womens lib movement. I still open doors for females of all ages. (HERETIC)
That stated, I saw nothing wrong with your 145!
I HAVE seen "beautiful women" and haven't given ONE THOUGHT as to their personalities or even their intellect. It's reflexive!
| 976 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:01am |
re: #956 Alouette
Anybody have some suggestions for products that I can sell at the Zionist Mall that aren't just for Jews? Specifically, Israeli products that aren't just Judaica. I have a section for Israeli cosmetics, would like to expand the electronic section.
Interfaith sex toys.
| 977 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:05am |
re: #964 Kenneth
Can you handle food products? Everybody eats and there are some great Israeli foods.
Good suggestion. I already have a selection of Israeli wine.
| 978 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:10am |
re: #751 HoosierHoops
Shut the fuck up pal...You could have just apologized for being a little prick to a lady...
Guess that's above you...
now hoops is riled! oh, he was dissing sharm at the risk of much bodily harm. go hoops! ha
| 979 |
dapperdave Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:13am |
re: #958 Kosh's Shadow
What? oh I get it "fix" ha, I guess we could say "the fix is in".
| 980 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:37am |
re: #965 albusteve
I like to think I add a degree of sophistication to the room
You do. And some kick ass music at times too.
| 981 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:39am |
re: #899 Jimmah
You seem to be able to weather multiple attacks better than anyone else here. You have a lot of patience and self control.
A few years as a Navy race relations counselor helped. One you learn to stay polite in the face of ignorant bigotry, blogs are a cake walk.
| 982 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:06:44am |
| 983 |
justabill Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:07:17am |
re: #877 avanti
I'm fit as a fiddle, but out of Studebakers to sell this week, need to go shopping.
That sounds like a good problem to have. Perhaps even a bit of light at the end of the economic tunnel?
| 984 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:07:35am |
re: #971 haakondahl
Between Pahlavi'a plane and Ahmadinejad's, I'd say that only one of them will land ini Iran.
My money is not on Reza Pahlevi!
| 985 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:07:58am |
re: #969 Last Mohican
Russia couldn't give a crap about who the president of Iran is as long as 1) they get paid for the nuke help, and 2) they keep antagonizing the west
| 986 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:08:10am |
Morning, lizardim. I am banging my head on a server I'm setting up today, and I'm getting absolutely nowhere. I'm trying to install some open-source software, but I have never had as many problems getting any open-source software up and running as I have had the past two weeks. I'm still and the "please confirm this step works" stage because it doesn't.
Grrr......
re: #545 Nevergiveup
I heard about ABC turning over the news program to Obama for healthcare. It is making me so frustrated to see all this. I think I need to throw some plates and glasses across a room.
| 987 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:08:23am |
re: #956 Alouette
Anybody have some suggestions for products that I can sell at the Zionist Mall that aren't just for Jews? Specifically, Israeli products that aren't just Judaica. I have a section for Israeli cosmetics, would like to expand the electronic section.
Crosses. And I am not being sarcastic. Tap into the Zionist Christian community.
| 988 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:08:31am |
re: #975 sattv4u2
I don't mind having doors held open for me, or men behaving like gentleman. But- I'll hold the door open for men too. I just try to have some general decency and courtesy out there.
| 989 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:08:32am |
| 990 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:08:55am |
re: #986 vxbush
If you need help, I'm somewhat of an open-source geek as well as a total technophile.
| 991 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:07am |
| 992 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:07am |
re: #942 realwest
President Obama? Haahaahahahahahaha! Whew, great sense of humor there RTC!
i am an eternal optimist :)
| 993 |
bloodnok Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:08am |
re: #980 Sharmuta
You do. And some kick ass music at times too.
And other times he plays the Rolling Stones.
/just kidding, Steve. :p
| 994 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:09am |
Has anyone heard any comments from the Pahlevi family yet? Just for comic relief I mean.
| 995 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:27am |
re: #881 ladycatnip
Just looked at headlines this morning before I'm off to work. I'm stunned. Has everyone seen this at Drudge?
ABC turning itself over to Obama - to anchor from WH
This can't be happening.
Yes, it's been noted before and yes it can be happening. The MSM is definitely in Obama's pocket - his BACK pocket at that.
I sure hope Charles makes a thread out of that. PLEASE CHARLES?
| 996 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:29am |
re: #923 Sharmuta
Except Throbert- I will have to ask a slightly different question where he's concerned.
The thing is -- that "men only care about looks" stereotype grates particularly on me because I've heard it so many times from gay men who say it in a self-excusing way, as though it's their birthright to be shallow: "I know I'm being very superficial, but... ♪♫ I can't help it, because I'm a GayMan™ and that's the way we are, tra-la-la! ♪♫"
| 997 |
KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:46am |
re: #956 Alouette
Anybody have some suggestions for products that I can sell at the Zionist Mall that aren't just for Jews? Specifically, Israeli products that aren't just Judaica. I have a section for Israeli cosmetics, would like to expand the electronic section.
I'll try to think of some. The Wild West section is interesting. "Gunfight in Portland:Reform and Orthodox at High Noon" sounds like a good read. Is it?
| 998 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:09:58am |
re: #984 yma o hyd
My money is not on Reza Pahlevi!
Why do I get the feeling that tweets about Reza Pahlevi returning might (*cough*) ... JUST MIGHT ... be disinformation, planted by the regime?
/hmmmmmmmmmm ... heh
| 999 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:05am |
More transparency from the Oministration.
Obama blocks list of visitors to White House
From msnbc? Isn't that like eating your own offspring?
| 1000 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:15am |
re: #986 vxbush
Morning, lizardim. I am banging my head on a server I'm setting up today, and I'm getting absolutely nowhere. I'm trying to install some open-source software, but I have never had as many problems getting any open-source software up and running as I have had the past two weeks. I'm still and the "please confirm this step works" stage because it doesn't.
Are you trying to install VMware?
| 1001 |
dapperdave Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:17am |
re: #989 Last Mohican
That's o.k. we don't need their spin, they're plenty of folks with digital cameras and recorders sending more than enough info.
| 1002 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:26am |
Its getting abd:
'confirmed by farsi twitters: around 2000 basiji is now standing in front of dorms. #iranelection
less than 20 seconds ago from TwitterFox '
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 1003 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:29am |
re: #985 CommonCents
Russia couldn't give a crap about who the president of Iran is as long as 1) they get paid for the nuke help, and 2) they keep antagonizing the west
I've never been okay with the fact that the U.S. allowed Russia to build a nuclear reactor for Iran. Did that start on Clinton's watch or Bush's? I can't remember. We should have made that a nonnegotiable point. Russia can sell them all the caviar they want, but no nukes.
Actually Iranian caviar is the best in the world. But you get my point.
| 1004 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:36am |
re: #988 Sharmuta
I don't mind having doors held open for me, or men behaving like gentleman. But- I'll hold the door open for men too. I just try to have some general decency and courtesy out there.
My point is, that you were absolutely correct. In all my years on thsi planet I have never once looked across a room at a female stranger and said to myself , "wow ,,, i bet she has a great personality"
| 1005 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:49am |
re: #987 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Crosses. And I am not being sarcastic. Tap into the Zionist Christian community.
| 1006 |
FrogMarch Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:50am |
CBO scores the Kennedy-Dodd bill
mmmmmm More yummy freedom-killing big daddy government entitlement spending. Save us, lord Obama. "Single payer!"
| 1007 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:10:54am |
re: #990 thedopefishlives
If you need help, I'm somewhat of an open-source geek as well as a total technophile.
Do you have any experience with OpenSRF?
| 1008 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:00am |
Revolutionary Guards reorganized to put down internal threats:
the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps began reorganizing itself to meet internal threats late last year. The change was significant, because for the first time since it was formed, the IRGC reoriented its mission from meeting external threats to suppressing internal threats.
...the reorganization was designed to counter “any attempts to decapitate it, such as might occur should U.S. or Israeli military forces strike the Islamic Republic”. But it also created a network of anti-riot capabilities not only to suppress “velvet revolutionaries” but to face down other power groups within the Islamic Republic.
| 1009 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:19am |
re: #1002 yma o hyd
We all knew some bad crazy was going to go down today. The question is if they will be able to weather the storm.
| 1010 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:22am |
re: #997 KenJen
I'll try to think of some. The Wild West section is interesting. "Gunfight in Portland:Reform and Orthodox at High Noon" sounds like a good read. Is it?
It was an actual gunfight, but nobody was hurt. Both guys missed.
| 1011 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:25am |
re: #994 Nevergiveup
Has anyone heard any comments from the Pahlevi family yet? Just for comic relief I mean.
Only that Reza P. aims to come to iran, within 36 hours ... via twitter ...
| 1012 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:42am |
re: #1001 dapperdave
That's o.k. we don't need their spin, they're plenty of folks with digital cameras and recorders sending more than enough info.
Good point. Most so-called "journalists" are sort of irrelevant.
| 1013 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:50am |
| 1015 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:59am |
re: #996 Throbert McGee
LOL
I like you dude...You have always been so Honest...
Hope today finds you well
| 1016 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:11:59am |
re: #996 Throbert McGee
The thing is -- that "men only care about looks" stereotype grates particularly on me because I've heard it so many times from gay men who say it in a self-excusing way, as though it's their birthright to be shallow: "I know I'm being very superficial, but... ♪♫ I can't help it, because I'm a GayMan™ and that's the way we are, tra-la-la! ♪♫"
Devils advoacte. Tell me that last time you looked across a room at a female stranger and said to yourself , "wow ,,, i bet she has a great personality"
| 1017 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:12:32am |
re: #1016 sattv4u2
Devils advoacte. Tell me that last time you looked across a room at a
female stranger and said to yourself , "wow ,,, i betshe has a great personality"
FIFY
| 1018 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:12:38am |
re: #998 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Why do I get the feeling that tweets about Reza Pahlevi returning might (*cough*) ... JUST MIGHT ... be disinformation, planted by the regime?
/hmmmmmmmmmm ... heh
Could very well be - thats why the twitter 'Iran election' prefaced it with 'RUMOUR'!
| 1019 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:12:42am |
re: #1007 vxbush
That one I'm afraid I'm not as familiar with, nor do I often venture into the strange and complex world of Perl modules.
| 1020 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:12:44am |
re: #999 CommonCents
More transparency from the Oministration.
Obama blocks list of visitors to White House
From msnbc? Isn't that like eating your own offspring?
Is it the Wright thing to do?
/heh
| 1021 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:13:04am |
re: albusteve
I'm well organized...I keep notes
You're in Albuquerque--they'll dry up and blow away.
| 1022 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:13:12am |
Chocolate. Maybe chocolate will help me think. Back in a min.
| 1023 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:13:16am |
re: #998 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Why do I get the feeling that tweets about Reza Pahlevi returning might (*cough*) ... JUST MIGHT ... be disinformation, planted by the regime?
/hmmmmmmmmmm ... heh
couldn't agree with you more ... ham handed bullshit from those wacky mullahs
| 1024 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:13:28am |
re: #899 Jimmah
You seem to be able to weather multiple attacks better than anyone else here. You have a lot of patience and self control.
Uh, wait a minute - see my #889; let's not get too carried away, here!
| 1025 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:13:54am |
re: #957 HoosierHoops
Hiya Hoops, I used to live on a lake, it's great isn't it? Looked for ya driving through Indy last month but you musta been swimming.
| 1026 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:11am |
re: #801 avanti
Even when I disagree with the skeptic, I find it more interesting to engage them, rather then insult them. It's better brain exercise to defend you position then to belittle the other guy personally.
You are right about that, insults will get you nowhere in an argument. I've been married to the turnwife for 30 years and I can tell you I learned that the hard way! ha
| 1027 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:20am |
re: #1021 haakondahl
You're in Albuquerque--they'll dry up and blow away.
after six months they are converted to toilet paper
| 1028 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:24am |
re: #1019 thedopefishlives
That one I'm afraid I'm not as familiar with, nor do I often venture into the strange and complex world of Perl modules.
Rats. This thing is so complex, laying on top of ejabberd, and I can't tell where to start diagnosing the problem. It looks like one of the services isn't starting up right, because the process exists but the log file for it is empty--until I stop the process, and then all of a sudden stuff happens. But it's supposed to be registering things when it starts, and it doesn't.
| 1029 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:25am |
re: #1025 apachegunner
Hiya Hoops, I used to live on a lake, it's great isn't it? Looked for ya driving through Indy last month but you musta been swimming.
how did you keep the floors dry!?!?!?!
| 1030 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:40am |
re: #894 Last Mohican
It's absolutely insane. They were just claiming that the money was available, but now there's a possibility that the transportation bill wont get reauthorized, meaning all the money is up in the air.
These nitwits are going to engage in the bait and switch. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the supposed porkfest projects never happen because the money simply doesn't become available because it's swallowed up elsewhere as part of a bait and switch.
| 1031 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:42am |
re: #999 CommonCents
More transparency from the Oministration.
Obama blocks list of visitors to White House
From msnbc? Isn't that like eating your own offspring?
maybe cair's folks and obama are planning lunch. "Can't I just eat my falafel?"
| 1032 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:14:48am |
re: #1009 thedopefishlives
We all knew some bad crazy was going to go down today. The question is if they will be able to weather the storm.
I pray they will be able to!
Its great to have 'iran electio' up and running again - he was very good last night.
Lets hope the brain power of the dissidents will beat the brawn of the security forces.
| 1033 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:15:12am |
You know what I just discovered? When you are away from lgf for a while your ability to keep up degrades. I feel like you are all going about 1000 MPH while I am standing on the side of the road just trying to get across to the other side. There is a chicken over there that looks like it has a great personality.
| 1035 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:15:42am |
re: #1011 yma o hyd
Only that Reza P. aims to come to iran, within 36 hours ... via twitter ...
I don't get him. He's the Shah's son, and he calls himself "heir to the throne of Iran." Yet he positions himself as a pro-democracy activist.
I have a handful of Iranian friends, people who have emigrated to America, love the West, and hate the mullahs so much that they nearly spit when they refer to them. But even they also hated the Shah, and they're angry at the U.S. for supporting him.
| 1036 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:16:04am |
A Whole New World
Jennifer Rubin
James Taranto and others have remarked on the eye-opening effect the Iranian regime’s brutality has had on the Left punditocracy. Ah, now they get it! The mullahs are brutal thugs who share none of our values nor desire for peace. … But one wonders what if anything the members of Obama’s national security team have learned. Have they figured out that there is no deal to be had with a regime of this nature? Does this give them any concern about their self-assurances that we can “contain” a nuclear-armed Iran? Well it should.
| 1037 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:16:31am |
re: #999 CommonCents
The "most transparent Administration in history" strikes again.
Transparent liars.
| 1039 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:16:43am |
re: Last Mohican
I don't get him. He's the Shah's son, and he calls himself "heir to the throne of Iran." Yet he positions himself as a pro-democracy activist.
I have a handful of Iranian friends, people who have emigrated to America, love the West, and hate the mullahs so much that they nearly spit when they refer to them. But even they also hated the Shah, and they're angry at the U.S. for supporting him.
If they were to set up a Constitutional Monarchy, it would be worlds more Democratic than the stuff they have now.
| 1040 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:17:08am |
re: #1025 apachegunner
Hiya Hoops, I used to live on a lake, it's great isn't it? Looked for ya driving through Indy last month but you musta been swimming.
Dude...Never drive through Indy without Calling me or going swimming...
My Nic is Blue...We always have room for a friend here
| 1041 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:17:11am |
Reza Pahlavi of Iran's Statement on the Latest Developments in Iran June 13th 2009Today the world is witnessing the demonstrated anger of millions of Iranians against a regime that denies their most basic rights, including the right to choose leaders who could improve their abysmal condition.There is no exit from this condition, so long as one man appropriates onto himself the "power of god" and controls the judiciary, the media, the security forces and, through direct and indirect appointees, dictates the only candidates claiming to represent an impoverished and disenfranchised people.
Today I stand united with my fellow Iranians and call for the end of the Islamic Republic, or any other prefix in front of the name of my beloved Iran that indicates theocracy or any other form of disregard for democratic and human rights.
I caution the world that offering any incentives or "carrots" to the theocracy under these circumstances is an affront to the people of Iran. This is not a time for short-sighted, self-defeating tactical games. This is the time for the free world to stand true to its principles and support the people of Iran's quest for democracy and human rights.
SOURCE Secretariat of Reza Pahlavi
| 1042 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:17:16am |
re: #1028 vxbush
Rats. This thing is so complex, laying on top of ejabberd, and I can't tell where to start diagnosing the problem. It looks like one of the services isn't starting up right, because the process exists but the log file for it is empty--until I stop the process, and then all of a sudden stuff happens. But it's supposed to be registering things when it starts, and it doesn't.
Well, you can start there. What service is it that isn't starting correctly? Is there anything particularly suspicious in the log file when you stop the process?
| 1043 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:17:25am |
re: #1033 Ford_Prefect
You know what I just discovered? When you are away from lgf for a while your ability to keep up degrades. I feel like you are all going about 1000 MPH while I am standing on the side of the road just trying to get across to the other side. There is a chicken over there that looks like it has a great personality.
In truth, this is a particularly fast-moving thread.
Also, that chicken over there does look particularly loyal and dependable.
| 1044 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:17:30am |
re: #1030 lawhawk
It's absolutely insane. They were just claiming that the money was available, but now there's a possibility that the transportation bill wont get reauthorized, meaning all the money is up in the air.
These nitwits are going to engage in the bait and switch. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the supposed porkfest projects never happen because the money simply doesn't become available because it's swallowed up elsewhere as part of a bait and switch.
And one missing manhole cover in Hackensack backed up traffice all the way to Fair Lawn today. NJ sucks.
| 1045 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:17:55am |
re: #854 haakondahl
thanks. still not resolved. My Sister has pissed off everyone but her marital fanboy. My mother has been neglected as some sort of reject by my nephew's family and his fiancee. My Nephew who is slightly pre-18, has been asked by my brother's fiancee (executor) to decide on the disposition of his ashes based on his suicide note: "cremate me, scatter my ashes, non-denominational services, whatever...".
Freekin' mess.
My mom wants a teaspoon or some small portion of his ashes to be with her when she dies. they disagree per the hyper-technical reading of my brother's suicide note (like he was in his right fucking mind anyway).
I have been trying to get them to scatter his ashes from an urn we have bought, which (the urn from which the ashes are scattered, not the actual ashes) will go in my mother's plot with their names. They feel this is unreasonable because some remnants of him will be in fact buried against the hyper-technical reading of his suicide note, my my mother feels like he'll be wiped from the book of life should they adhere to the letter of his vague suicide request.
I'm the only one who has contact with both sides:
yeah, things are great.
| 1046 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:05am |
re: #1043 Last Mohican
In truth, this is a particularly fast-moving thread.
Also, that chicken over there does look particularly loyal and dependable.
Eggzactly.
| 1047 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:08am |
re: #922 Ford_Prefect
Hey there Ford! How the hell are you? It's awfully good to see you around here again!
| 1048 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:22am |
re: #1030 lawhawk
It's absolutely insane. They were just claiming that the money was available, but now there's a possibility that the transportation bill wont get reauthorized, meaning all the money is up in the air.
These nitwits are going to engage in the bait and switch. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the supposed porkfest projects never happen because the money simply doesn't become available because it's swallowed up elsewhere as part of a bait and switch.
there are so many unfinished tunnels in NYC, do you think anyone will even care in the long run?...aren't NYs familiar with this type of thing?...jus askin
| 1049 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:22am |
re: #1043 Last Mohican
Also, that chicken over there does look particularly loyal and dependable.
It would look even better on my grill with a few herbs and spices.
| 1050 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:22am |
'(All times British Summer Time)
15.57 Press TV, an Iranian English language channel, seems to be confirming that the Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi staged a mass rally in Tehran today - despite earlier reports that he had cancelled it.
15.46 Twitter is now abuzz with rumours that the army has moved in to quell the demonstrations but there is no way for us to confirm this at the moment.
15.33 Reports are suggesting that more than 10,000 demonstrators have once again filled Valiasr in central Tehran. '
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
| 1051 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:44am |
| 1053 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:18:58am |
re: #1047 realwest
Hey there Ford! How the hell are you? It's awfully good to see you around here again!
Thank you, real. Nice to see you as well. How are you feeling today?
| 1054 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:19:18am |
re: #1043 Last Mohican
In truth, this is a particularly fast-moving thread.
Also, that chicken over there does look particularly loyal and dependable.
Most of the threads lately have been cookin'.
| 1055 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:19:31am |
re: #1033 Ford_Prefect
You know what I just discovered? When you are away from lgf for a while your ability to keep up degrades. I feel like you are all going about 1000 MPH while I am standing on the side of the road just trying to get across to the other side. There is a chicken over there that looks like it has a great personality.
I know exactly how you feel!
But after a couple of days back on LGF, you'll be back in the swing of things - trust me!
| 1056 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:19:48am |
re: lincolntf
The "most transparent Administration in history" strikes again.
Transparent liars.
I think that in this case, transparent was supposed to be two words.
| 1058 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:19:53am |
re: #1016 sattv4u2
Devils advoacte. Tell me that last time you looked across a room at a female stranger and said to yourself , "wow ,,, i bet she has a great personality"
Um... Throbert does that all the time.
[He plays for the other team.]
| 1059 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:20:03am |
re: #1033 Ford_Prefect
well then, don't stay away again Ford!
| 1060 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:20:09am |
re: #1039 haakondahl
If they were to set up a Constitutional Monarchy, it would be worlds more Democratic than the stuff they have now.
True, and I guess that's what he's aiming for. I do like the ring of his statement, quoted above. But it's my sense that the shah remains so disliked in Iran that his son bears the automatic stamp of unacceptability to everyone there. So much so that, if he were to show up championing democracy, the people might just change their mind and decide they'd prefer the ayatollahs.
| 1061 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:20:50am |
re: #1055 yma o hyd
I know exactly how you feel!
But after a couple of days back on LGF, you'll be back in the swing of things - trust me!
Unfortunately I will be back working outside again tomorrow and for the next several days at least.
| 1063 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:20:56am |
re: #1042 thedopefishlives
Well, you can start there. What service is it that isn't starting correctly? Is there anything particularly suspicious in the log file when you stop the process?
Not really. It's a router service that is starting up, and when I say to stop the service, it just says "Received signal, cleaning up." Oh, that helps me sooooo much.
I have to say that the listserv of developers is attempting to help me, but they move slower than I would like--they all have lives, darn it, and jobs, and I so want them to just drop everything and help me!
| 1064 |
FrogMarch Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:21:08am |
Obama is sensitive to criticism and that makes him, well, lie.
Yesterday President Obama spoke about his health-care agenda at the annual meeting of the American Medical Association in Chicago. Mr. Obama reiterated his desire for a public-plan option modeled after Medicare that would compete with private insurance plans. Speaking to the audience of health-care providers, Mr. Obama claimed that a public plan was about competition and would not be a "Trojan horse for a single-payer system."
So now "Single Payer" is yet another liberal idea that has a negative connotation. Heh.
| 1065 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:21:14am |
| 1066 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:21:21am |
re: #1045 spidly
I'm so sorry for you...That is tough...
My God grant you peace in your heart....Let your Sister rest in Peace...
I'm sorry
| 1067 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:21:34am |
re: #1030 lawhawk
It's absolutely insane. They were just claiming that the money was available, but now there's a possibility that the transportation bill wont get reauthorized, meaning all the money is up in the air.
These nitwits are going to engage in the bait and switch. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the supposed porkfest projects never happen because the money simply doesn't become available because it's swallowed up elsewhere as part of a bait and switch.
Come to CT. Our state has not spent one dime of the stimulus money as of yet. There is one project that might get the Fed funding in late November. Everyone, including the Governor, was straining at the leash for the Fed bucks, and now they can't even figure out how they are able to spend it. It appears that almost all of those "shovel ready" projects were in fact not shovel ready in any way shape or form. Now Obama and his bunch of clowns are going to attempt to release even more of the money quicker over the summer. Even if this happens, no money will be spent, but the government will claim 2 bazillion jobs were saved because of it.
It was all BS and hype from the President on down. America was the sucker.
| 1068 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:21:45am |
re: #1050 yma o hyd
'(All times British Summer Time)
15.57 Press TV, an Iranian English language channel, seems to be confirming that the Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi staged a mass rally in Tehran today - despite earlier reports that he had cancelled it.
15.46 Twitter is now abuzz with rumours that the army has moved in to quell the demonstrations but there is no way for us to confirm this at the moment.
15.33 Reports are suggesting that more than 10,000 demonstrators have once again filled Valiasr in central Tehran. '
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Item I have in bold above . . .
The "tweets" I saw seemed to indicate that the tweeters (and the "ppl") were taking Mousavi's proclaimed "cancellation" of the demonstration as being words only, and the tweeters seemed to indicate the rallies would proceed as planned, despite Mousavi's "cancelletion".
| 1069 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:00am |
re: #1040 HoosierHoops
Sounds like the weather sucks on your vacation. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it improves soon.
| 1070 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:03am |
re: Last Mohican
True, and I guess that's what he's aiming for. I do like the ring of his statement, quoted above. But it's my sense that the shah remains so disliked in Iran that his son bears the automatic stamp of unacceptability to everyone there. So much so that, if he were to show up championing democracy, the people might just change their mind and decide they'd prefer the ayatollahs.
Exactly--it is not as though they are burting ovcer with likely and satisfactory options. I'm not blind to the very real practical difficulties and moral compromises in any of the options. But as somebody said last night, when a thuggish government starts shooting at Democracy protestors, I'm on their side.
| 1071 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:10am |
Ford- there have been technical updates too. You can now comment using the spy feature on individual threads.
| 1072 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:22am |
re: #970 songbird
Complete sadists. Note right at the end of the video... the victim is completely helpless, handcuffed, semi-concious, covered with blood and bruises; and the masked islamofacist goon props up the guy's arms, and strikes him with the baton repeatedly, carefully, just above the elbow - the "second heart" pressure point, EXTREMELY painful.
Disgusting.
| 1073 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:23am |
| 1074 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:30am |
re: #1063 vxbush
Not really. It's a router service that is starting up, and when I say to stop the service, it just says "Received signal, cleaning up." Oh, that helps me sooooo much.
I have to say that the listserv of developers is attempting to help me, but they move slower than I would like--they all have lives, darn it, and jobs, and I so want them to just drop everything and help me!
There may be a verbose option for your service that should cause it to be at least SLIGHTLY more informational. If not, well, fie on the developers and may they rot in the purgatory they have created for themselves for all eternity.
| 1075 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:22:38am |
re: #1059 apachegunner
well then, don't stay away again Ford!
It is not by choice. I have just been very busy at work. We had some downsizing and now we have gotten busier, but the owners don't want to rehire just yet. That means we are all running around like crazy trying to get the work done. No time for fun. I hate when work gets in the way of the important things in life.
| 1076 |
Last Mohican Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:23:23am |
re: #1062 jcm
1, 2, 3, Dinnerjacket wins, shoot the protesters.
Or, alternatively, "oops, we made a mistake, Mousavi wins." All the protesters go home, the ayatollahs remain in power, and nothing much really changes.
The only problem with that scenario is Mousavi's wife. I'm getting the impression that she's way too much of a rabble-rouser for the regime to let her have a position of prominence. In fact, sadly, I fear her days on Earth may be numbered. She seems to be an incredibly brave woman.
| 1077 |
FrogMarch Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:23:36am |
re: #1064 FrogMarch
Obama is sensitive to criticism and that makes him, well, lie.
So now "Single Payer" is yet another liberal idea that has a negative connotation. Heh.
Proving yet again that honest language cannot be used by democrats to describe their own plans. Obama's government controlled health care "option" is "single payer" and it is by its very nature non-competitive and it will by it's very nature kill off all private insurance eventually.
| 1078 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:23:43am |
re: #1071 Sharmuta
Ford- there have been technical updates too. You can now comment using the spy feature on individual threads.
Yeah, I saw something about that. How did that experiment go?
| 1079 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:23:43am |
re: #1061 Ford_Prefect
Unfortunately I will be back working outside again tomorrow and for the next several days at least.
Aww ...
Can ye get yourself a new iPhone?
Charles said last night that the new 'spy' feature works perfectly on that!
would keep you 'in training', as it were ...
:-)
| 1080 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:23:57am |
re: #962 apachegunner
Wish I could give you a hundred updings for that perceptive statement!
:)
| 1081 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:23:57am |
re: #1050 yma o hyd
'(All times British Summer Time)
15.57 Press TV, an Iranian English language channel, seems to be confirming that the Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi staged a mass rally in Tehran today - despite earlier reports that he had cancelled it.
15.46 Twitter is now abuzz with rumours that the army has moved in to quell the demonstrations but there is no way for us to confirm this at the moment.
15.33 Reports are suggesting that more than 10,000 demonstrators have once again filled Valiasr in central Tehran. '
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Then "army moving in" means the regular units of the Pasdaran.
| 1082 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:24:06am |
re: #1067 johnnyreb
It appears that almost all of those "shovel ready" projects were in fact not shovel ready in any way shape or form.
I can think of an eminently "shovel-ready" project; increased F-22 production. But that's just me.
(Of course, I don't recommend actually trying to build the thing using shovels.)
| 1083 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:24:09am |
Graffiti in Mullah washroom:
It's easier to fake an election than to fake an erection.
| 1085 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:24:39am |
re: #1079 yma o hyd
Aww ...
Can ye get yourself a new iPhone?
Charles said last night that the new 'spy' feature works perfectly on that!
would keep you 'in training', as it were ...:-)
LOL. I wish. It would be real hard for me to get any work done that way.
| 1086 |
jill e Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:24:58am |
re: #1062 jcm
1, 2, 3, Dinnerjacket wins, shoot the protesters.
Exactly! Doesn't this just placate the protester long enough for the thugs to regroup and crack down harder?
| 1087 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:25:16am |
| 1088 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:25:17am |
| 1089 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:25:21am |
re: #1078 Ford_Prefect
Yeah, I saw something about that. How did that experiment go?
People are using it even as we type.
| 1090 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:25:26am |
re: #1054 jcm
Most of the threads lately have been cookin'.
Yer supposed to take the towel OFF of the bread pan before y' put th' thing in th' oven!
| 1091 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:25:29am |
re: Spare O'Lake
Graffiti in Mullah washroom:
It's easier to fake an election than to fake an erection.
And the reverse for "take".
| 1092 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:25:54am |
Let’s hope Obama can glance up from his domestic plans to nationalize healthcare just long enough to realize that strategic calculations underlying his Middle East policy are crumbling. Do you think he has noticed?
| 1093 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:26:02am |
re: #1071 Sharmuta
Ford- there have been technical updates too. You can now comment using the spy feature on individual threads.
does that mean when I reply on spyglass it will appear on the thread it the subject line?
| 1094 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:26:33am |
re: #1089 Sharmuta
People are using it even as we type.
I will have to go back and read that 'tech' thread to see how it works. Don't want to waste all your time getting specifics here.
| 1095 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:27:42am |
re: #1045 spidly
Whoa, that's pretty f%^$ed up. Sorry. Just an extreme outside observation, you are pissed at your sister and you said sharm reminded you of her. Perhaps there is a bit of projection going on here. Think about it, that is all.
| 1096 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:28:12am |
| 1097 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:28:28am |
re: #1093 apachegunner
If you click the spy icon for this thread up above, you will see comments just for this thread and a comment form, and any comments you make using the spy comment form will appear in the spy and on the thread.
| 1098 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:28:28am |
re: #873 HoosierHoops
Poor Charles...He is going to read this Thread and go WTF?
Sorry my man.....
good you are apologizing for your behavior.re: #875 sattv4u2
obviously you have no comprehension of what hoosier's "band of brothers" allusion connoted, and what it my reply meant... war vs campaign replacements - duh. wait duh duh....... uh duh. I'll try to spell it out in a simpler manner later if you didn't get it this time
| 1099 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:28:30am |
re: #1088 _RememberTonyC
Reza Pahlavi has offered to serve as a constitutional monarch in a democratic Iran, in the same mode as the European monarchs.
| 1100 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:28:31am |
'persiankiwi' is also back - he was at the demo.
'we have info that tehran uni will be attacked tonight - have contact inside - says uni blocked #Iranelection'
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 1101 |
apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:28:46am |
re: #1080 realwest
Wish I could give you a hundred updings for that perceptive statement!
:)
gosh RW, thanks for the upding, I hardly ever get one of those. my karma looks like avanti or cato, geeeesh. one back to ya partner
| 1103 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:29:01am |
re: #1076 Last Mohican
Or, alternatively, "oops, we made a mistake, Mousavi wins." All the protesters go home, the ayatollahs remain in power, and nothing much really changes.
The only problem with that scenario is Mousavi's wife. I'm getting the impression that she's way too much of a rabble-rouser for the regime to let her have a position of prominence. In fact, sadly, I fear her days on Earth may be numbered. She seems to be an incredibly brave woman.
I get the sense it's moved past Mousavi. He the focal point, the rally point. But the what the Mullahs considered acceptable reforms by putting forward Mousavi, will no longer satisfy the people.
Mousavi may well end up as the new head of state, but he'll have slipped the Mullah's leash.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:29:05am |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:29:27am |
Copypasta from a Israeli poster on Fark (of all places)
Demands from the protesters:1. Dismissal of Khamenei for not being a fair leader
2. Dismissal of Ahmadinejad for his illegal acts
3. Temporary appointment of Ayatollah Montazeri as the Supreme Leader
4. Recognition of Mousavi as the President
5. Forming the Cabinet by Mousavi to prepare for revising the Constitution
6. unconditional and immediate release of all political prisoners
7. Dissolution of all organs of repression, public or secret.Who is Grand Ayatollah Montazeri?
Ayatollah Montazeri is a pro-Democracy, pro-Human Rights Ayatollah who was at one point on the short list of possible successors of Khomeini, but became marginalized as he adopted what was seen as a too pro-Western, pro-Democracy stance.
Since the beginning of the Revolution, he has been one of the fiercest critics of the Regime, and one of the biggest proponents of women and civil rights for ALL Iranians, including much-maligned minorities like the Baha'is. In fact he goes further than the protections afforded to them under Sharia.
He is also a big critic of Ahmadinejad and has been seen for years as the best hope for Iran if he ever was to come to power, something that was unthinkable a mere week ago.
LinksFor further information on the Basij, Global Security has a good article about the history of the Basij. [Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]
CNN has a good article where eyewitnesses describe the type of violence usually unleashed by the Basij. [Link: www.cnn.com...]
Here is another good article from GS again giving more background information on the ruthless Ansar thugs. [Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]
BBC profile of Grand Ayatollah Montazeri [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
FWIW.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:29:48am |
re: #1067 johnnyreb
There's a stretch of resurfacing Rt. 2 in Harvard, Mass, that I think they had planned for a year or two, but started this year, that now has a sign that it is being funded by the recovery act. So Massachusetts had one shovel-ready project. Now if they can fix the section just to the east of that; there is a hill and the westbound side is very slippery in the rain due to pavement wear.
(I drive on that road most weekdays.)
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:29:49am |
re: #1048 albusteve
You're referring to the 2d Avenue Subway, which got started in the 70s and stopped when the money ran out. They've restarted that project, and have 2d Avenue ripped up in the 90s. It will be a decade before that stretch is done.
The ARC tunnel is meant to supplement the existing two tunnels, which will be 100 years old. They're a safety hazard, and a backup there can mean trouble along the entire NE Corridor for Amtrak, Metro North, and NJ Transit. It's a mess, and the money trouble is irresponsible.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:29:54am |
Persiankiwi is back:
we have info that tehran uni will be attacked tonight - have contact inside - says uni blocked #Iranelection
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vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:30:06am |
re: #1074 thedopefishlives
There may be a verbose option for your service that should cause it to be at least SLIGHTLY more informational. If not, well, fie on the developers and may they rot in the purgatory they have created for themselves for all eternity.
Nope. No verbose item that I can find. If I get super desparate, I'll ask them if there's a debug option I can compile with and try that. But nothing in the version I have now.
Sigh. I don't want them to end up in purgatory; I just want something that works.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:30:25am |
re: #1097 Sharmuta
If you click the spy icon for this thread up above, you will see comments just for this thread and a comment form, and any comments you make using the spy comment form will appear in the spy and on the thread.
Geez. I am already having enough trouble keeping up.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:30:32am |
Change_For_Iran:
it looks they are going to attack dorms again! IRG's chopper just passed by Yousefabad. there is noting left to destroy over there!
confirmed by farsi twitters: around 2000 basiji is now standing in front of dorms.
we told everybody to get out and leave dorms. but most of the student got no where to go & no relatives in Tehran.
StopAhmadi:
NEWS: Ppl randomly receiving calls w/ automated msg "you've participated in protest" 2 scare ppl #gr88 #iranelection
RT @RobertHooman: RT @stopAhmadi Security forces opening twitter accounts 2 pose as protestors n spread disinformation
DO NOT RT anything U read from "NEW" tweeters, gvmt spreading misinfo #gr88 #iranelection
Iran09:
Cell net. has gone down in many districts of #Tehran! IMO they R up to something huge again! #IranEleciton #GR88
CONF. ppl. are holding another rally from Enghelab (Rev.) sq. to Azadi (freedome) sq. #iranelection #GR88
RT: @IranRiggedElect: Basij attacking Shiraz and Mashad universities, Shiraz U's dean resigned [Link: bit.ly...] #GR88
1stH! CONF. #iran gov/ has had sys/ from Siemens since early 2009 to monitor web activity, reason FB got OPEN! #IranElection #Monitoring #RT
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:30:50am |
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Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:31:33am |
I had a look on Jihad Watch there. What little there is from Spencer on Iran can be summed up as follows : 'even if Ahmedinajad is toppled Iran will still be, like, all Islam and stuff, so who cares?' Disgusting.
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:31:43am |
re: #932 Sharmuta
And Throbert & legalpad-
I wish I could ding myself down on that now. It was unfair of me to say, and I apologize.
As I said, it wasn't really offensive -- just a moment of mildly sloppy writing, of which I've had countless instances myself. (I.e., if your inner editor had been paying more attention, you would've used a qualifier like "some men" or "many of the men who post on political blogs," or whatever -- thus acknowledging the possibility that your sample might not be representative of men in general.)
And I only brought it up because it seemed like a few posters were reacting to spidly as though he'd spat upon an icon of the Holy Mother.
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jill e Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:32:17am |
From Power Line:
When the Polish government declared martial law to crush Solidarity, this is what Ronald Reagan had to say on December 23, 1981:
"As I speak to you tonight, the fate of a proud and ancient nation hangs in the balance. For a thousand years, Christmas has been celebrated in Poland, a land of deep religious faith, but this Christmas brings little joy to the courageous Polish people. They have been betrayed by their own government.
The men who rule them and their totalitarian allies fear the very freedom that the Polish people cherish. They have answered the stirrings of liberty with brute force, killings, mass arrests, and the setting up of concentration camps. Lech Walesa and other Solidarity leaders are imprisoned, their fate unknown. Factories, mines, universities, and homes have been assaulted."
*****
"The target of this depression [repression] is the Solidarity Movement, but in attacking Solidarity its enemies attack an entire people. Ten million of Poland's 36 million citizens are members of Solidarity. Taken together with their families, they account for the overwhelming majority of the Polish nation. By persecuting Solidarity the Polish Government wages war against its own people.
I urge the Polish Government and its allies to consider the consequences of their actions. How can they possibly justify using naked force to crush a people who ask for nothing more than the right to lead their own lives in freedom and dignity? Brute force may intimidate, but it cannot form the basis of an enduring society, and the ailing Polish economy cannot be rebuilt with terror tactics."
There is a certain clarity and resolve here that is utterly lacking in President Obama's ambivalent response to the events in Iran. ... Jonah Goldberg pleads with Obama: "Take the side of democracy." What is so difficult about that? If Obama wants to follow up on Goldberg's advice, he might want to borrow this from Reagan's speech:
"I want emphatically to state tonight that if the outrages in Poland do not cease, we cannot and will not conduct "business as usual'' with the perpetrators and those who aid and abet them. Make no mistake, their crime will cost them dearly in their future dealings with America and free peoples everywhere. I do not make this statement lightly or without serious reflection."
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:32:47am |
re: #1109 BlueCanuck
THERE you are again!
As I just said to yma,
Thanks VERY much for the tweet feeds.
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:32:50am |
Man, sometimes you just can't catch a break.
You spend your political capital prepping the American people on talking to the mullahs of Iran and going along with their nuclear aspirations, and I'll be damned if some bunch of right-wing Republicans don't stage some street demonstrations in Tehran and screw it all up.
I'm telling you, some days it's enough to make a fellow wish he'd stayed in Chicago, organizing the community.
On the bright side, though, ABC looks to be coming around nicely. Bet that Jake Tapper clown is talking out the other side of his mouth now. We'll teach him to shoot of his mouth and ask questions at a news conference.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:33:00am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:34:20am |
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:34:21am |
re: #1121 Occasional Reader
Missing the reference...
Whats next? Lions lie down with Lambs? Swords beaten into plowshares?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:34:28am |
re: #1099 Kenneth
Reza Pahlavi has offered to serve as a constitutional monarch in a democratic Iran, in the same mode as the European monarchs.
Does anyone here have a well-founded idea as to how receptive the Iranian people would be to this?
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jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:34:31am |
re: #1116 Jimmah
I had a look on Jihad Watch there. What little there is from Spencer on Iran can be summed up as follows : 'even if Ahmedinajad is toppled Iran will still be, like, all Islam and stuff, so who cares?' Disgusting.
Ignorant, we're see the long repressed Persian Culture reassert it's self. Islam will take a back seat to Persian Culture should this succeed.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35:00am |
re: #1119 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Dropped off for a bit to install tweet deck. Hold on.....
From persiankiwi: demo today vpeaceful but it is going to change tonight - too many baseej tody #Iranelection
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35:13am |
re: #1098 spindly
good you are apologizing for your behavior.re: #875 sattv4u2
obviously you have no comprehension of what hoosier's "band of brothers" allusion connoted, and what it my reply meant... war vs campaign replacements - duh. wait duh duh....... uh duh. I'll try to spell it out in a simpler manner later if you didn't get it this time
You dipshit...I'm not apologizing for anything....I have shown you kindness in your moment of pain with your Sister...Yet you find yourself still being a little prick with your comments.. You trashed a lizard here at 4am and think you can just walk away whistling?
Wrong...I got my eye on you...
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:35:30am |
re: #1123 buzzsawmonkey
I thought "Come, let us reason together" was a generally well-known phrase. I think it goes back to the KJV, but I could be wrong.
Ah. I was trying to read something else into "Reza"... brain fart.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:36:12am |
re: #1118 jill e
A perfect illustration of the difference between a leader and a community organizer.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:36:28am |
re: #1125 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Whats next? Lions lie down with Lambs? Swords beaten into plowshares?
Isaiah, old chap, don't those daft lambs have any bloody sense?
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:36:38am |
re: #1113 pre-Boomer Marine brat
yma,
Thanks VERY much for these tweet feeds!
Its a great pleasure - and now that more tweets are back online, reine is also taking on the tweet reports - as she did so brilliantly last night!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:36:46am |
re: #1128 BlueCanuck
Dropped off for a bit to install tweet deck. Hold on.....
From persiankiwi: demo today vpeaceful but it is going to change tonight - too many baseej tody #Iranelection
You likee the tweekdeck?
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:36:51am |
re: #1096 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Do you think he WANTS to?
IF the mullahs prevail and put down the election, the idea of holding talks with them would be so repugnant to civilized people around the world, even Obama would have to acknowledge that fact. Wouldn't he?
On the other hand, if the people succeed in overthrowing the regime, not just his one bad election, but the whole rotten regime of the mullahs and the IRGC, then Obama will have nothing to negotiate. Remember, Obama has used the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons, and the possibility of the US stopping them, as a means to force Israel to make concessions on Palestine. That entire premise will evaporate if the mullahs are overthrown.
Obama's only hope is if the regime backs down, does a recount and "discoverers" that Mousavi really did win the election. Then Mousavi gets to be a powerless presidential puppet for the mullahs. Obama gets to have his "tough talks" and the nuclear threat to Israel remains a tool for Obama to leverage his Middle East policy.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:37:04am |
re: #1136 reine.de.tout
You likee the
tweektweetdeck?
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:37:25am |
re: #1125 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Whats next? Lions lie down with Lambs? Swords beaten into plowshares?
Dogs and cats living together. /Venkman
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:37:59am |
re: #1134 Occasional Reader
Isaiah, old chap, don't those daft lambs have any bloody sense?
No, but they do have the swords
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:38:02am |
tweet:
RT @B2020: RT From Iran: Crowds in the tens of thousands in front of TV&Radio HQ.They are silent and raise hands to show unity #IranElection
Persiankiwi: i estimate more than quarter million for mousavi #Iranelection
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MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:38:04am |
re: #1035 Last Mohican
I don't get him. He's the Shah's son, and he calls himself "heir to the throne of Iran." Yet he positions himself as a pro-democracy activist.
I have a handful of Iranian friends, people who have emigrated to America, love the West, and hate the mullahs so much that they nearly spit when they refer to them. But even they also hated the Shah, and they're angry at the U.S. for supporting him.
My father's family are Persian Jews. When I visited them in Israel, I was surprised to see a framed photo of the Shah on their living room wall. This was true for almost all the homes I visited.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:38:45am |
re: #1107 lawhawk
You're referring to the 2d Avenue Subway, which got started in the 70s and stopped when the money ran out. They've restarted that project, and have 2d Avenue ripped up in the 90s. It will be a decade before that stretch is done.
The ARC tunnel is meant to supplement the existing two tunnels, which will be 100 years old. They're a safety hazard, and a backup there can mean trouble along the entire NE Corridor for Amtrak, Metro North, and NJ Transit. It's a mess, and the money trouble is irresponsible.
They're already ripping up 2nd ave in the 60s as well.
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:38:53am |
re: #1053 Ford_Prefect
I'm doing ok and hey, don't worry about keeping up with the thread - sooner or later it all comes back around and your comments become relevant again (voice of experience here!).
Seriously, I love the technological improvements Charles has made out here but Ajax really screwed me up; can't think or type fast enough to keep up.
So don't sweat it!
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:38:55am |
re: #1118 jill e
Reagan's speech was terrible! He should have groveled, apologized for provoking the communists into attacking Solidarity, and made it clear that he was all a-flutter to talk and talk and talk and be BFFs with whoever won.
//
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:39:07am |
re: #1136 reine.de.tout
You likee the tweekdeck?
Is real good. I hope I can get it to work at work. :)
/but I have my doubts.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:39:19am |
re: #1139 reine.de.tout
Well- it could have been worse. You could have used an "i" in there....
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:39:20am |
re: #1134 Occasional Reader
Isaiah, old chap, don't those daft lambs have any bloody sense?
But what's REALLY gonna happen after the lion casually Moses over toward the lamb?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:39:40am |
re: #1137 buzzsawmonkey
They could all sit down and have a Pahlevi palaver...
Would the new shah have any pahleverage?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:40:29am |
re: #1067 johnnyreb
Come to CT. Our state has not spent one dime of the stimulus money as of yet. There is one project that might get the Fed funding in late November. Everyone, including the Governor, was straining at the leash for the Fed bucks, and now they can't even figure out how they are able to spend it. It appears that almost all of those "shovel ready" projects were in fact not shovel ready in any way shape or form. Now Obama and his bunch of clowns are going to attempt to release even more of the money quicker over the summer. Even if this happens, no money will be spent, but the government will claim 2 bazillion jobs were saved because of it.
It was all BS and hype from the President on down. America was the sucker.
Here in Chicagoland we're doing rather better at spending the money. I can't really complain though: The new buses and rail cars are very welcome and the track and station maintenance for the CTA and Metra is equally welcome.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:40:30am |
re: #1151 pre-Boomer Marine brat
But what's REALLY gonna happen after the lion casually Moses over toward the lamb?
Hopefully, the lamb will quickly get some Judges to issue a restraining order.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:41:15am |
The lion and the lamb will lie down together, but the lamb won't get much sleep.
-Woody Allen
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yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:41:15am |
Right - I'm now going to get a twitter account and try that tweetdeck - you may not see me for a bit!
:-)
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:41:16am |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:41:35am |
re: #1084 buzzsawmonkey
There is no money in the till
Despite persistent pillage.
Obama's "city on the hill"
Is a Potemkin village.Burma Shave
slight improvement
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:42:05am |
re: #1151 pre-Boomer Marine brat
But what's REALLY gonna happen after the lion casually Moses over toward the lamb?
Many Lamentations amongst the Lambs would be my guess
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:42:15am |
re: #1147 realwest
I'm doing ok and hey, don't worry about keeping up with the thread - sooner or later it all comes back around and your comments become relevant again (voice of experience here!).
Seriously, I love the technological improvements Charles has made out here but Ajax really screwed me up; can't think or type fast enough to keep up.
So don't sweat it!
When I see something that I consider responding to I just look ahead and find that someone already said what I was going to say, so I just upding that person. Saves time.
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Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:42:36am |
Is there text of Obama's statement? Was it any good?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:42:54am |
PersianKiwi:
ANejad supporters not civilian, but plain clothes, many from out of teharn - #Iranelection
StopAhmadi:
NEWS: Mousavi supporters moving towards IRIB News Network HQ. 8 ppl confirmed killed #gr88 #iranelection
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:43:25am |
re: #1138 Kenneth
IF the mullahs prevail and put down the election, the idea of holding talks with them would be so repugnant to civilized people around the world, even Obama would have to acknowledge that fact. Wouldn't he?
On the other hand, if the people succeed in overthrowing the regime, not just his one bad election, but the whole rotten regime of the mullahs and the IRGC, then Obama will have nothing to negotiate. Remember, Obama has used the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons, and the possibility of the US stopping them, as a means to force Israel to make concessions on Palestine. That entire premise will evaporate if the mullahs are overthrown.
Obama's only hope is if the regime backs down, does a recount and "discoverers" that Mousavi really did win the election. Then Mousavi gets to be a powerless presidential puppet for the mullahs. Obama gets to have his "tough talks" and the nuclear threat to Israel remains a tool for Obama to leverage his Middle East policy.
Thanks. You put my general line of thinking into words far better than I could.
I'm visualizing Obama sitting silently, fingering his navel, wondering (worried) about where all this is going to leave him.
| 1168 |
Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:43:34am |
Don't know where you all are at in the thread and am just going to inject my 2 cents about ABC (voluntary statist media) and the White House propaganda:
VIA: [Link: www.drudgereport.com...]
ABCNEWS Senior Vice President Kerry Smith on Tuesday responded to the RNC complaint, saying it contained 'false premises':"ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions -- even when others have taken a more partisan approach and even in the face of criticism from extremes on both ends of the political spectrum. ABCNEWS is looking for the most thoughtful and diverse voices on this issue.
"ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."
If MSM = Statist Media
and Statist Media = Obama Mouthpiece
Doesn't that mean that the MSM ABCNEWS will be picking the same people and voices that Obama would have picked? Lame. Lame. Lame.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:43:49am |
re: #1150 Sharmuta
Well- it could have been worse. You could have used an "i" in there....
Or 2 "i"s
Twitdick
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:44:33am |
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:44:47am |
re: #1144 MJ
My father's family are Persian Jews. When I visited them in Israel, I was surprised to see a framed photo of the Shah on their living room wall. This was true for almost all the homes I visited.
Yes, but did they also have portraits of the Lubavitcher Rebbe and Abu Chatzera?
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:44:58am |
The One won't release the White House visitor list?
I know that Bush bowed too, but, c'mon.
Where is the outrage from the right?
Make some noise!
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Sharmuta Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:45:00am |
re: #1169 reine.de.tout
I'm glad you typed that and not me.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:45:02am |
re: #1165 Dianna
Is there text of Obama's statement? Was it any good?
Milquetoast . . pusillanimous . . .take your pick
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Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:45:24am |
re: #1105 negativ
Copypasta from a Israeli poster on Fark (of all places)
FWIW.
If any of this is true, especially about Hezbollah, it will have major implications for Israel and the entire West. Thanks for sharing this.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:45:25am |
House resolution to honor longtime journalist
Oakland Rep. Barbara Lee wants Congress to officially recognize veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas "for her pioneering career as a woman in journalism."
. . .
Lee's resolution praises Thomas as "an essential pillar of American democracy" and notes that "Helen Thomas continues to report on the White House and regularly ask pointed questions of the Obama administration."
/the Iron Cross might be appropriate
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capitalist piglet Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:45:45am |
Anybody notice this?
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter thinks about this little development.
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apachegunner Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:46:16am |
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:46:20am |
re: #1178 capitalist piglet
Anybody notice this?
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter thinks about this little development.
It was a Pallywood production, aimed at blaming Israel.
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johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:46:45am |
re: #1168 Oh no...Sand People!
Don't know where you all are at in the thread and am just going to inject my 2 cents about ABC (voluntary statist media) and the White House propaganda:
VIA: [Link:
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:46:52am |
re: #1178 capitalist piglet
Anybody notice this?
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter thinks about this little development.
I call BS. Why would they want to off the Lickspittle in Chief?
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:47:01am |
re: #1171 spidly
so anyway..... just to clarify in this fast moving thread for anyone that gives a damn. ...blah blah blah....
No we do not give a damn how your little knickers are in a knot. Stop whining about being misunderstood and join the discussion about events.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:47:21am |
re: #1178 capitalist piglet
Anybody notice this?
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter thinks about this little development.
He's thinking about Egyptian movie theatres.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:00am |
Video: Iran-The Volcano Erupts
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jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:11am |
re: #1178 capitalist piglet
Anybody notice this?
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter thinks about this little development.
It's a zionist plot......
/Rabbit Bait
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:26am |
re: #1175 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Milquetoast . . pusillanimous . . .take your pick
Mmm... I'll have an bowl of pusillanimous milquetoast with a side order of arugula waffles please!
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:29am |
re: #1182 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Outlived his utility - or that he wasn't sufficiently kowtowing to the terrorists.
Either way, the jihadis don't need a reason to murder people. It's what they do.
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:31am |
re: #1171 spidly
I was quite happy just lurking...
geez! now ya made me log-in. WTF?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:39am |
re: #1178 capitalist piglet
Anybody notice this?
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter thinks about this little development.
If Hamas actually tried to kill Carter, they're even more stupidly bloodthirsty then I thought they were.
| 1192 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:39am |
Re: outlawing knives...
That'll work out well. I guess the next step is to outlaw glass windows, lest some miscreant break one, pick out a nice sharp shard and wrap themselves a handle with masking tape.
Then you'd have to outlaw scrap iron; to keep those ne'er-do-wells from filing a sharp edge onto an old iron railing and gluing a handle onto it.
Then I suppose you'd better outlaw flint rocks, or else some aborigine will be knocking flakes off of it and running wild, slashing and stabbing will-he-nill-he.
We'd best pull the drapes shut, double-bolt the doors, flip off the lights and sit quietly and contemplate our many, many sins.
I'm so very glad that smarter minds than mine have definitely debunked that whole 'slippery slope' nonsense.
| 1193 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:43am |
re: #1171 spidly
so anyway..... just to clarify in this fast moving thread for anyone that gives a damn. I usually agree with Hoosier and Sharm on broad issues...
As far as Sharmuta is concerned, I long ago learned not to argue with her over whether the sky is blue as she''ll say it is a bluish azure. I do not agree with Sharmuta on most of the BS contrarian stuff she provokes, but at least she's not a nut-less monkey like Hoosier seems to be.
Thanks for the insult....
/Does anyone know what a nut less Monkey means?
That's an insult right?
Sorry Charles....I love you dude...And I'm deeply sorry that flame erupted here.. I am deeply sorry
| 1194 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:48am |
Bet this is eerie:
from Change_for_Iran:
people are standing in front of state TV building in valiasr in silent just holding their hands & mousavi pictures in air.
| 1195 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #1171 spidly
Do us all a big favor: Go grab a nice hot cup of ShutTheFuckUp to wash down your breakfast.
| 1196 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:49:03am |
re: #1109 BlueCanuck
Persiankiwi is back:
we have info that tehran uni will be attacked tonight - have contact inside - says uni blocked #Iranelection
Huh? tehran uni will be attacked tonight - by whom?!
| 1197 |
Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:49:10am |
So apparently Hamas is claiming to have discovered a plot by an Al Qaeda linked group to set off bombs near the checkpoint Jimmy Carter used to enter Gaza?
Next we'll hear that the Iranian government is investigating election fraud.
(Sorry, no link. I'm on my iPhone, so I won't be able to cut-and-paste until Wednesday.)
| 1198 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:49:12am |
re: #1171 spidly
so anyway..... just to clarify in this fast moving thread for anyone that gives a damn. I usually agree with Hoosier and Sharm on broad issues...
As far as Sharmuta is concerned, I long ago learned not to argue with her over whether the sky is blue as she''ll say it is a bluish azure. I do not agree with Sharmuta on most of the BS contrarian stuff she provokes, but at least she's not a nut-less monkey like Hoosier seems to be.
that whole thing is moldy...move ahead
| 1199 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:49:13am |
re: #1188 Kenneth
Mmm... I'll have an bowl of pusillanimous milquetoast with a side order of arugula waffles please!
Blech. That is fairly bad. But I will agree that I haven't seen Obama's comments written down anywhere; everyone's just linking to the video.
| 1200 |
Lincolntf Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:49:29am |
re: #1173 Ben Hur
All public criticisms of Obama are considered a symptom of "derangement" or hatred, remember?
Nothing to do but sit here on the Internet and point out his lies and failures, hoping that some of it will trickle into the MSM by chance.
| 1201 |
brucee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:49:49am |
re: #955 yma o hyd
[Link: twitter.com...]
iranelection is back on!
Here are his latest:
'Basij attacking Shiraz and Mashad universities, Shiraz U's dean resigned''RUMOUR: the former prince of #Iran, Reza Pahlavi has announced returning to #Tehran in 36h.'
Won't happen. Regime will hang him before he gets off the plane. He has also been proven to be an insignificant opposition character.
| 1202 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:50:16am |
re: #1178 capitalist piglet
I wonder what Jimmy "Take Them Off The Terror List" Carter
And every time I think Jimmy has hit bottom, he starts digging some more.
| 1203 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:50:24am |
re: #1173 Ben Hur
The One won't release the White House visitor list?
I know that Bush bowed too, but, c'mon.
Where is the outrage from the right?
Make some noise!
What?
| 1204 |
avanti Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:50:43am |
re: #983 justabill
That sounds like a good problem to have. Perhaps even a bit of light at the end of the economic tunnel?
Not to piss anyone off but the old car market is recession proof. Yes, it means my cars sell for less, but I can buy them cheaper, so it's a wash. Sadly, some long time owners sell because of their economic situation, but the collectors with money are still out there buying.
| 1205 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:50:46am |
Winston80(our winston06):rt @iranbaan 300 political activists arrested so far in #IranElection riots #hhrs
| 1206 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:51:03am |
re: #1171 spidly
Look, it's evident that you are having some personal issues with your family (as per your own posts), but STOP, STOP projecting them to people on this blog.
Why don't you just sign off and cool off?
| 1207 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:51:19am |
re: #1200 Lincolntf
All public criticisms of Obama are considered a symptom of "derangement" or hatred, remember?
Nothing to do but sit here on the Internet and point out his lies and failures, hoping that some of it will trickle into the MSM by chance.
We can only hope. It does appear that the MSM has worn out the racist card though. I haven't seen that one in quite a few weeks.
| 1208 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:51:20am |
re: #1098 spidly
I'll try to spell it out in a simpler manner later if you didn't get it this time
I was trying to stick up for you a bit, because I know what it's like to find yourself outnumbered by a hostile crowd.
But I may yet repent of that decision.
| 1209 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:51:26am |
re: #1202 Occasional Reader
And every time I think Jimmy has hit bottom, he starts digging some more.
So now he is actually tunneling for Hamas? Habitat for Inhumanity?
| 1210 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:51:32am |
re: #1182 Radicchio ad Absurdum
I call BS. Why would they want to off the Lickspittle in Chief?
Considering that the "Palestinian Authority" (I use that term VERY loosely) considers their people expendable, why wouldn't their greatest misguided advocate not fit under the same rule?
| 1211 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:51:58am |
re: #1204 avanti
Not to piss anyone off but the old car market is recession proof. Yes, it means my cars sell for less, but I can buy them cheaper, so it's a wash. Sadly, some long time owners sell because of their economic situation, but the collectors with money are still out there buying.
don't miss out on the advantages of a good crisis!
| 1212 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:52:03am |
re: #1118 jill e
From Power Line:
When the Polish government declared martial law to crush Solidarity, this is what Ronald Reagan had to say on December 23, 1981:
"As I speak to you tonight, the fate of a proud and ancient nation hangs in the balance. For a thousand years, Christmas has been celebrated in Poland, a land of deep religious faith, but this Christmas brings little joy to the courageous Polish people. They have been betrayed by their own government.
The men who rule them and their totalitarian allies fear the very freedom that the Polish people cherish. They have answered the stirrings of liberty with brute force, killings, mass arrests, and the setting up of concentration camps. Lech Walesa and other Solidarity leaders are imprisoned, their fate unknown. Factories, mines, universities, and homes have been assaulted."
*****
"The target of this depression [repression] is the Solidarity Movement, but in attacking Solidarity its enemies attack an entire people. Ten million of Poland's 36 million citizens are members of Solidarity. Taken together with their families, they account for the overwhelming majority of the Polish nation. By persecuting Solidarity the Polish Government wages war against its own people.
I urge the Polish Government and its allies to consider the consequences of their actions. How can they possibly justify using naked force to crush a people who ask for nothing more than the right to lead their own lives in freedom and dignity? Brute force may intimidate, but it cannot form the basis of an enduring society, and the ailing Polish economy cannot be rebuilt with terror tactics."
There is a certain clarity and resolve here that is utterly lacking in President Obama's ambivalent response to the events in Iran. ... Jonah Goldberg pleads with Obama: "Take the side of democracy." What is so difficult about that? If Obama wants to follow up on Goldberg's advice, he might want to borrow this from Reagan's speech:
"I want emphatically to state tonight that if the outrages in Poland do not cease, we cannot and will not conduct "business as usual'' with the perpetrators and those who aid and abet them. Make no mistake, their crime will cost them dearly in their future dealings with America and free peoples everywhere. I do not make this statement lightly or without serious reflection."
Uh, you do know that it's unfair, to say the least, to compare Obama to Reagan - unfair to Obama I mean.
What a great damn speech by RWR!
| 1213 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:52:17am |
re: #1197 Dar ul Harb
So apparently Hamas is claiming to have discovered a plot by an Al Qaeda linked group to set off bombs near the checkpoint Jimmy Carter used to enter Gaza?
Next we'll hear that the Iranian government is investigating election fraud.
(Sorry, no link. I'm on my iPhone, so I won't be able to cut-and-paste until Wednesday.)
I'm amazed you have the patience to type even this much on the iPhone. My iPhone postins are practically monosyllabic. When, o when, will they come out with a bluetooth (or just plain plug-in) folding keyboard for iPhone?
| 1216 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:53:03am |
re: #1196 realwest
Huh? tehran uni will be attacked tonight - by whom?!
Probably the Basij. They seem to be the ones doing all the real violent stuff.
| 1217 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:53:46am |
re: #1209 Radicchio ad Absurdum
So now he is actually tunneling for Hamas? Habitarails for Inhumanity?
FIFY... now there's an idea. We could relocate all the terrorist-loving Palestinians to a giant Habitrail complex.
(Anyone else remember Habitrail?)
| 1218 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:53:54am |
re: #1214 buzzsawmonkey
No clue what it means, but a nutless monkey can always acquire nuts, whereas a sad sack obsessing on personal enmities remains a sad sack ad infinitum.
And for what it's worth, I'd be happy to share my bowl of bridge mix with you. Take my word for it, these nuts are real brain food--why, some of them come from the groves of macademia!
Wow! You really cashewed in on that one.
| 1220 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:54:54am |
This was already mentioned in the immediately preceding thread, but it's interesting that the riot police have the word "POLICE" in English on the back of their protective jackets. Presumably they import the gear, and there's no Farsi version available.
| 1221 |
dapperdave Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:55:06am |
re: #1195 Dark_Falcon
Sometimes that cup is best taken cold.
| 1222 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:55:07am |
re: #1217 Occasional Reader
FIFY... now there's an idea. We could relocate all the terrorist-loving Palestinians to a giant Habitrail complex.
(Anyone else remember Habitrail?)
No. Explain, please.
| 1223 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:55:31am |
| 1225 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:55:57am |
re: #1208 Throbert McGee
because I know what it's like to find yourself outnumbered by a hostile crowd.
"Nobody move, or the [deleted] gets it!"
-Sherriff Bart
/it's always a good time for a Blazing Saddles reference
| 1226 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:55:57am |
re: #1193 HoosierHoops
Thanks for the insult....
/Does anyone know what a nut less Monkey means?
That's an insult right?
Sorry Charles....I love you dude...And I'm deeply sorry that flame erupted here.. I am deeply sorry
I don't know, but the closest thing I've seen is "For days, they waited for me. Holding tight, like a monkey fist on a walnut." - "Joe Biden"
(If anyone actually wants to look at that - and it's worth it - just click on it, and it will enlarge. It shows up condensed at first.)
| 1228 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:08am |
re: #1222 vxbush
No. Explain, please.
Habitrail was where you kept your hamsters. Sort of an expandable condo for them.
| 1229 |
Lincolntf Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:40am |
re: #1217 Occasional Reader
They were those yellowish tubes that one could construct into a little maze for hamsters, right? I had a bunch of those throughout my childhood.
| 1230 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:41am |
re: #1217 Occasional Reader
FIFY... now there's an idea. We could relocate all the terrorist-loving Palestinians to a giant Habitrail complex.
(Anyone else remember Habitrail?)
They can spend their lives in the endlessly spinning wheel (kind of like the wheel below)
| 1231 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:48am |
re: #1228 johnnyreb
Habitrail was where you kept your hamsters. Sort of an expandable condo for them.
Ah! Gotcha. I like that idea.
| 1232 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:48am |
re: #1138 Kenneth
"IF the mullahs prevail and put down the election, the idea of holding talks with them would be so repugnant to civilized people around the world, even Obama would have to acknowledge that fact. Wouldn't he? "
NO he wouldn't and won't.
GREAT DAMN COMMENT THOUGH! Thanks for that one Kenneth!
| 1233 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:51am |
re: #1217 Occasional Reader
FIFY... now there's an idea. We could relocate all the terrorist-loving Palestinians to a giant Habitrail complex.
(Anyone else remember Habitrail?)
It already is (smuggling tunnels and bunker complexes throughout Gaza with the express purpose of carrying on the war against Israel).
HamastrailHabitrail, not just for gerbils and hamsters.
| 1234 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:57:04am |
re: #1218 Ford_Prefect
Wow! You really cashewed in on that one.
The pun thread, fun for All. Mon d-ieu!
| 1235 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:57:08am |
re: #1227 Sharmuta
BTW- welcome back!
Thank you Sharm.
How come no one ever welcomes front? Just wondering.
| 1236 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:57:25am |
re: #1220 John Neverbend
This was already mentioned in the immediately preceding thread, but it's interesting that the riot police have the word "POLICE" in English on the back of their protective jackets. Presumably they import the gear, and there's no Farsi version available.
I surmised that they are doing that for the "world audience'. It 'looks better" to have the police taken care of an unruly crowd than admitting it's actually the ARMY,or in this case thr Revolutionary Guard
| 1237 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:57:36am |
re: #1229 Lincolntf
They were those yellowish tubes that one could construct into a little maze for hamsters, right? I had a bunch of those throughout my childhood.
Those were for hamsters? My parents kept my little brother in those things. Gee?
| 1238 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:57:43am |
| 1240 |
damnyanqui Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:58:36am |
Well, well...
Muy interessante.
Check this out from the Jerusalem Post
Report: Carter escapes assassination attempt on visit to Gaza
Palestinian sources reported Tuesday that former US president Jimmy Carter was the target of a thwarted assassination attempt, according to Israel Radio.
Reportedly, there was a cluster of explosive devices stashed near a road he was scheduled to travel during a visit to the Gaza Strip.
The Jerusalem Post could not verify the report.
I think this is what the guys in the Pentagon would call a "red on red" incident
| 1241 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:58:47am |
Epic Fail of Obama's Liberal Media Sycophants:
U.S.-Iranian dialogue jeopardized by election
Questionable Ahmadinejad victory making the effort of building American 'public support for engagement much more difficult'
OH NOES I KANT HAZ MY SPAYSHUL TOX WIF DIKTATORZ!
| 1242 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:58:48am |
re: #1238 Occasional Reader
OOOH, SWEET MYSTERY OF LIIIIFE, AT LAST I'VE FOUUNNND YOOUUU!
/It's always a good time for a Young Frankenstein quote
Thanks!
You know, I can actually sing that line fairly well. Drives my husband batty.
| 1243 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:58:49am |
re: #1235 Ford_Prefect
Thank you Sharm.
How come no one ever welcomes front? Just wondering.
Theres an Asian Massage parlor that ,,,, ummmm,,, nevahmind! ,,,
| 1244 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:58:57am |
re: #1236 sattv4u2
I surmised that they are doing that for the "world audience'. It 'looks better" to have the police taken care of an unruly crowd than admitting it's actually the ARMY,or in this case thr Revolutionary Guard
Maybe they want the world to think that it is the Americans that are doing the beating. Just a thought.
| 1245 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:59:09am |
re: #1238 Occasional Reader
OOOH, SWEET MYSTERY OF LIIIIFE, AT LAST I'VE FOUUNNND YOOUUU!
/It's always a good time for a Young Frankenstein quote
Thanks!
/kind of hard to fit that next to your ear with the keyboard there, but hey, different strokes and all that.
| 1246 |
Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:59:15am |
Landscape keyboard works "OK," particularly now with the individual thread Spy.
Thanks, Charles!
| 1247 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:59:35am |
Returning to the subject of books, today is Bloomsday, celebrating the life of James Joyce.
| 1248 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:00:39am |
re: #1233 lawhawk
It already is (smuggling tunnels and bunker complexes throughout Gaza with the express purpose of carrying on the war against Israel).
Hamastrail
Habitrail, not just for gerbils and hamsters.
Five words: Special Mideast Envoy Richard Gere.
/shudder
| 1249 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:00:56am |
re: #1247 John Neverbend
Returning to the subject of books, today is Bloomsday, celebrating the life of James Joyce.
They must be rejoicing in Bloom County/
| 1250 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:01:24am |
re: #1244 Ford_Prefect
Maybe they want the world to think that it is the Americans that are doing the beating. Just a thought.
nahh , there's no way that they would get that to fly. They WOULD (and will) try to insinutae that most of the problems are due to "outside agitators" and they will do their darndest to tie that to an American (or western europe) journalist and tie that person to the "cia" or mossad
| 1253 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:02:03am |
From lotfan: CONFIRMED: silent demonstrations across from IRIB complex #iranelection #gr88
| 1254 |
MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:02:18am |
re: #1172 Alouette
Yes, but did they also have portraits of the Lubavitcher Rebbe and Abu Chatzera?
This is a long time ago ( 1970-71 ) so my memory is a little weak but I don't recall seeing any pictures of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. He would have been a bit foreign to them at that point in time...they were very Persian. I have seen photos of the Baba Sali but mostly among members of Moroccan Jews that I know.
| 1256 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:02:40am |
re: #1243 sattv4u2
Theres an Asian Massage parlor that ,,,, ummmm,,, nevahmind! ,,,
I'm glad this thread will have a happy ending.
| 1257 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:02:49am |
re: #1241 Kenneth
Epic Fail of Obama's Liberal Media Sycophants:
U.S.-Iranian dialogue jeopardized by election
OH NOES I KANT HAZ MY SPAYSHUL TOX WIF DIKTATORZ!
LMAO!
| 1258 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:03:07am |
re: #1248 Occasional Reader
Five words: Special Mideast Envoy Richard Gere.
/shudder
SMERG (the acronym for Special Mideast Envoy Richard Gere), hence Smerghead might then be a term of abuse for somebody who's muddle-headed over the Middle East.
| 1259 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:03:13am |
re: #1241 Kenneth
Epic Fail of Obama's Liberal Media Sycophants:
U.S.-Iranian dialogue jeopardized by election
OH NOES I KANT HAZ MY SPAYSHUL TOX WIF DIKTATORZ!
They have the Audacity to Hope they can Change back to what they had before!
| 1260 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:03:35am |
re: #1253 BlueCanuck
Ooops, wrong tweet, right video. Correct tweet:VIDEO: Aftermath of police and militia attack to University of Tehran student dorm [Link: tinyurl.com...] #iranelection #gr88
| 1261 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:03:49am |
re: #1064 FrogMarch
Obama is sensitive to criticism and that makes him, well, lie.
So now "Single Payer" is yet another liberal idea that has a negative connotation. Heh.
it should be obvious that he is a con-artist.
the way he is hustling the gov't h.c. scam as it must be done, now now now now now. this is a big red flag.
this is the same way he has pushed all the other gov't "stimulus" takings.
it all needed to be done yesterday.
he reminds me of a lying aggressive used car salesman.
and of course o wants to grab h.c.
there is 2.4 trillion dollars spent per yr. on health care.
o would love to control that money.
and dole it out in a way that is best for gov't.
o should fix social security, medicare and medicaid and stfu.
| 1262 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:03:49am |
re: #1256 Occasional Reader
I'm glad this thread will have a happy ending.
I was trying to figure out to make that work. See, like I said earlier, just wait and someone else will say it.
| 1263 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:03:57am |
re: #1256 Occasional Reader
I'm glad this thread will have a happy ending.
Forget the thread... what about me?!?! uh... err... I didn't say anything.
| 1264 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:04:07am |
re: #1202 Occasional Reader
And every time I think Jimmy has hit bottom, he starts digging some more.
Yup. But this time it looks like he's hit bedrock and is gonna use dynamite to get deeper.
Got any idea of what to do with all that dirt and debris he's flung up next to the hole?!
/sorta
| 1265 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:04:55am |
re: #1264 realwest
Got any idea of what to do with all that dirt and debris he's flung up next to the hole?!
/sorta
Dump it back in.
| 1266 |
Kragar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:05:11am |
re: #1241 Kenneth
Epic Fail of Obama's Liberal Media Sycophants:
U.S.-Iranian dialogue jeopardized by election
OH NOES I KANT HAZ MY SPAYSHUL TOX WIF DIKTATORZ!
I've been wishing we would engage with Iran for years.
Of course my use of the word engage might be a tad bit different than what Barry has in mind
| 1267 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:05:21am |
re: #1205 BlueCanuck
Thanks a lot Blue! At least Winston appears to be ok so far!
| 1268 |
MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:05:39am |
re: #1202 Occasional Reader
And every time I think Jimmy has hit bottom, he starts digging some more.
His latest:
Antisemitic ex-President says:
"I have been in love with the Palestinian people for many years," he said Saturday, adding that this is a feeling shared by members of his family.
Yes, he loves them especially when they bomb schools, ice cream parlors with children in them, airplanes, buses, etc. In fact, the more Jews they kill, the more Carter loves them.
He's teaching his great-grandchildren to hate Jews too:
"I have two great-grandsons that are rapidly learning about the people here and the anguish and suffering and deprivation of human rights that you have experienced ever since 1948," he said.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
| 1269 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:06:13am |
re: #1242 vxbush
You know, I can actually sing that line fairly well. Drives my husband batty.
Just curious, but do you sing at the same moment Madelaine Kahn sang it in the movie? I could see how that would get annoying. ;)
| 1270 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:06:17am |
re: #1238 Occasional Reader
OOOH, SWEET MYSTERY OF LIIIIFE, AT LAST I'VE FOUUNNND YOOUUU!
/It's always a good time for a Young Frankenstein quote
Thanks!
Wow. Look at those knockers.
-Sank you professor.
| 1271 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:06:20am |
| 1272 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:06:53am |
re: #1267 realwest
Thanks a lot Blue! At least Winston appears to be ok so far!
Well he should be. He's here in Canada. ;)
I am worried about all the others that are on the ground. I hope they remain safe.
| 1273 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:07:03am |
plug yer nose...here's HELLEN!
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
| 1274 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:07:13am |
StopAhmadi:
NEWS: Gvmt told all IR news agencies/reporters they're forbidden 2 report news to the world, otherwise punishment #gr88
NEWS: Mousavi supporters standing quietly infront of IRIB TV HQ. Ahmadi-supporters at Valiasr #gr88 #iranelection
CORRECTION; 8 ppl killed since yesterday, not today #gr88
News: Head of Shiraz University resigned himself from his post as protest #gr88 #iranelection
from 2Ahmed:
120 of Sharif Univ.'s Masters resigned. #iranelection
more than 150,000 people are demostrating to Tajrish Sq.Basiji forces are ready to attack / in Tehran #iranelection
WoW. so crowded. Mousavi's supporters from Enghelab to Azadi again. #iranelection
| 1275 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:07:25am |
re: #1268 MJ
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
The man is just a pathetic, sick joke. He's such an embarrassment to our country.
| 1276 |
Wendya Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:07:25am |
re: #1267 realwest
Thanks a lot Blue! At least Winston appears to be ok so far!
I think Winston is blogging based on conversations with relatives and other contacts within Iran.
| 1277 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:07:30am |
re: #1241 Kenneth
Epic Fail of Obama's Liberal Media Sycophants:
I wouldn't call the Globe and Mail liberal, at least not in general. Anyway, I think the article is stating the obvious, that Haman is going to be an even bigger putz, now that he has "won the election". So the talks that would have been doomed to failure in the first place, are now doubly doomed to failure.
| 1278 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:07:31am |
re: #1268 MJ
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
At the rate he's digging, he'll be on a visit to China fairly soon.
| 1279 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:08:07am |
re: #1270 Golem Akbar
Wow. Look at those knockers.
-Sank you professor.
"Wasn't your hump on the other side?"
"What hump?"
| 1281 |
Jewels (AKA Julian) Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:08:20am |
And ABC Officially now becomes Pravda on the Potomic
[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]
| 1282 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:09:32am |
Here is something to remember when you hear that this or that economic indicator is up by 'fill-in-the-blank-percentage'.
If you have $100 invested and lose 50%, you have $50.
If you then have a good investment result and gain 50%, you have $75.
Figures don't lie, but liars do figure.
| 1283 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:09:40am |
| 1284 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:09:47am |
re: #1277 John Neverbend
The Globe & Mail has been leaning to the liberals for a while. They have certainly jumped on the Iggy-mobile. Some of their columnists, like John Ibbitison, are utterly in love with Obama.
| 1285 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:09:52am |
re: #1280 buzzsawmonkey
That's not a picture of Helen Thomas. That's Danny DeVito wearing a sheitl.
she could copyright her face and go into the rubber mask business...I know it's cruel but....
| 1286 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:10:06am |
re: #1264 realwest
But this time it looks like he's hit bedrock and is gonna use dynamite to get deeper.
Carter is a relic from the 70s, so that word should properly be spelled "Dyn-o-mite".
| 1287 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:10:17am |
tweet:More than 400 people demonstrating in the front of iran consulate in hamburg #iranelection"
(can't remember who it was feed is moving quickly.)
| 1288 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:11:03am |
StopAhmadi:
Ayatollah Montazeri has issued a statement saying "No sane mind can accept these results"#gr88 #iranelection
| 1289 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:11:13am |
re: #1280 buzzsawmonkey
That's not a picture of Helen Thomas. That's Danny DeVito wearing a sheitl.
Actually I think she looks more like Danny DeVito's mother from 'Throw Mama From The Train'.
| 1290 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:11:49am |
tweet from westwingreport:Wait - Malveaux asks about Iran. Obama repeats: "I have deep concerns" But says meddling counterproductive #iranelection
| 1291 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:11:53am |
re: #1288 reine.de.tout
StopAhmadi:
Ayatollah Montazeri has issued a statement saying "No sane mind can accept these results"#gr88 #iranelection
Wow. I sense things are about to get much, much deeper.
| 1292 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:12:06am |
re: #1288 reine.de.tout
StopAhmadi:
Ayatollah Montazeri has issued a statement saying "No sane mind can accept these results"#gr88 #iranelection
I think he's a bit late. Unless he proposes to disown the "militia"?
| 1293 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:12:26am |
re: #1275 Occasional Reader
The man is just a pathetic, sick joke. He's such an embarrassment to our country.
So, according to Carter an "end to violence against Israelis and [calling for] Arab acceptance of Israeli's right to their own nation" is "painful for displaced Palestinians."
Doesn't he realize what a shocking inditement this is of Palestinian attitudes? It explains in clear terms why there has been no peace between Israel and the Palestinians, and why it's difficult to see it happening any time soon.
| 1294 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:12:36am |
| 1295 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:12:42am |
re: #1288 reine.de.tout
StopAhmadi:
Ayatollah Montazeri has issued a statement saying "No sane mind can accept these results"#gr88 #iranelection
Is that his tweet handle? I can't find him and would like to follow.
| 1296 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:12:55am |
re: #1289 Ford_Prefect
Actually I think she looks more like Danny DeVito's mother from 'Throw Mama From The Train'.
Anne Ramsey! I loved that movie.
| 1297 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:13:06am |
re: #1269 Kenneth
Just curious, but do you sing at the same moment Madelaine Kahn sang it in the movie? I could see how that would get annoying. ;)
Ah, no. :D
| 1299 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:13:33am |
re: #1294 Golem Akbar
He vass my boyfriend!
Single funniest line in the movie. It's all in the delivery.
| 1300 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:13:47am |
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Bet it was one of his homies.
| 1301 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:13:50am |
re: #1255 buzzsawmonkey
That's a "Peace Process Wheel™," I'll have you know.
Goes in a circle, never gets anywhere.
| 1302 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:14:06am |
how could anyone trust gov't health care.
look at the many failed gov't programs in the u.s.
baby boomers are going to get hosed.
social security will be bankrupt soon.
how can we trust the gov't to care abt. sick people?
bureaucrats greet you w/ a frown on their faces.
just like at the DMV.
| 1303 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:14:26am |
Friday should be ... interesting: from lotfan Mohajerani, Karroubi Advisor, This week's Friday prayer is a chance for the people to make the Supreme Leader to hear their voice. #gr88
| 1304 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:14:30am |
re: #1294 Golem Akbar
He vass my boyfriend!
"You are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind." Actually, this could be applied to many of our "favourite" politicians and not just Baron Victor Frankenstein.
| 1305 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:14:45am |
re: #1295 BlueCanuck
Is that his tweet handle? I can't find him and would like to follow.
| 1306 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:14:47am |
This Green Day song has been going through my head today. Reminds me of the situation in Iran:
| 1307 |
Wendya Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:15:12am |
re: #1288 reine.de.tout
StopAhmadi:
Ayatollah Montazeri has issued a statement saying "No sane mind can accept these results"#gr88 #iranelection
I'm wondering if Ahmadinajhad is going to actually return from Russia. It looks like the mullahs may be getting ready to throw him under the bus hoping they can cut a deal with Mousavi.
| 1308 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:15:16am |
re: #1016 sattv4u2
Devils advocate. Tell me that last time you looked across a room at a female stranger and said to yourself , "wow ,,, i bet she has a great personality"
Whether the stranger is male or female, I honestly don't understand the point of the question. Or rather, I don't think the question can be meaningfully answered without first filling in a lot of other variables. Like: "Am I even horny enough to bother speculating about sex tonight?" (Note: I'm 37, not 17.) And: "Assuming I'm hoping for a sexual encounter, do I care whether it's a one-night-stand, or the beginning of an ongoing but no-strings 'buddy' relationship, or the first date that might lead to something long-term and committed?"
| 1309 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:15:23am |
re: #1298 buzzsawmonkey
Really? I thought it was Arafish in drag.
| 1310 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:15:45am |
| 1311 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:15:53am |
re: #1299 Occasional Reader
Single funniest line in the movie. It's all in the delivery.
True, true.
| 1312 |
FrogMarch Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:16:09am |
re: #1261 nyc redneck
he reminds me of a lying aggressive used car salesman.
Indeed he does. I'm sicked by the speed at which our society rapidly approaching the attitude that its no longer ok for CEO's to make money
(here in CO - union peons are bitching about having to pay ANY co-payment on their health insurance and that the "evil" CEO of a grocery store chain makes 1 million dollars a year.) (oh noes! how dare he make any money)
We have a dumbed-down class of citizens who want to chat all day on line and get free government handouts. We are truly f*cked. And we have a socialist democrat power hungry party willing to make all sorts of big daddy government promises so that the masses can be properlypacified.
and the votes continue to roll in for the D's.
| 1313 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:16:22am |
re: #1304 John Neverbend
"You are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind." Actually, this could be applied to many of our "favourite" politicians and not just Baron Victor Frankenstein.
"FrankenSTEEN."
| 1314 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:16:44am |
re: #1305 reine.de.tout
Thanks.
Confirmation from persiankiwi about the satellite dishes.
Tweet: call from Niavaran saying plainclothes going door2door now looking for satellite dsh #Iranelection
| 1315 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:17:00am |
re: #1284 Kenneth
The Globe & Mail has been leaning to the liberals for a while. They have certainly jumped on the Iggy-mobile. Some of their columnists, like John Ibbitison, are utterly in love with Obama.
Well, I obviously don't read it often enough. I used to like the crossword which was English-style, not like the NY Times.
| 1316 |
FrogMarch Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:17:07am |
tip-toe through the typos and bad spelling
sickened.. etc..
| 1317 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:17:15am |
re: #1261 nyc redneck
...
he reminds me of a lying aggressive used car salesman.
...
And absent affirmative action, that might have been his highest calling in life.
| 1318 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:17:25am |
re: #1292 Dianna
I think he's a bit late. Unless he proposes to disown the "militia"?
Does Montazeri control any militia? I thought he was practically under house arrest.
| 1320 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:17:39am |
re: #1305 reine.de.tout
Thanks for that tweetdeck!
I've signed up to twitter and tweetdeck - and it works, yeehah!
(Am not going to twitter meself, ok, right!)
| 1321 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:11am |
re: #1290 BlueCanuck
For someone who supposedly is a genius and a public speaker, his comments are labored and insufficient for the task.
Obama can and should be pressing on the points of liberty and freedom and the respect for human rights, and that the Iranian people demand and deserve as much.
That, in a nutshell is what he should have said. It's what President Reagan or President Bush (both) would have said.
It's the right - morally and ethically - thing to do, and it doesn't interfere with the inner workings of the regime because it fires back at the regime's claims of free and fair elections.
| 1322 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:20am |
PersianKiwi:
call from Niavaran saying plainclothes going door2door now looking for satellite dsh #Iranelection
unconfmd - Montazeri speaks out rejecting election result - #Iranelection
StopAhmadi:
NEWS: 10 ppl arrested at Gilan Uni in Rasht moments ago #iranelection #gr88
NEWS: In Rasht, approx 20 polices and 2-3 police cars standing on almost every street #iranelection #gr88
| 1323 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:23am |
re: #1296 MrSilverDragon
Anne Ramsey! I loved that movie.
Anne Ramsey's finest moment was in Wes Craven's Deadly Friend...
| 1324 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:31am |
re: #1274 reine.de.tout
Once again, thank you reine! Your posts are so helpful to figure out what's going on over there -especially for someone without a twitter account!
| 1325 |
UFO TOFU Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:32am |
re: #1313 Ford_Prefect
That makes a great drinking movie if you have to drink every time some version of Frankenstein is spoken.
| 1326 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:36am |
re: #1310 Ford_Prefect
Ffft. Fffft. Fffft. Fffft.
"Nice grouping."
ooooooo...
Werewolf!
Werewolf?
There wolf.
| 1327 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:18:54am |
re: #1278 Dark_Falcon
At the rate he's digging, he'll be on a visit to China fairly soon.
Hamas should set him to work digging tunnels, then.
If it were up to me, I'd declare Carter a terror supporter and not allow him back in the US. Let him stay with the people he loves, the Paliterrorists, because I don't think he loves Americans, and he certainly hates Jews.
| 1329 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:19:20am |
re: #1219 MandyManners
re: #1208 Throbert McGee
re: #1198 albusteve
re: #1195 Dark_Falcon
re: #1193 HoosierHoops
fuckin' 'ell. this whole thing started because I said Sharmuta can be Pedantic and argues well past when it it is obvious she she wrong..... duh has anybody here met sharmuta?
so for that obsevation I get threats from hoosier - he's on vacation and can find me, don't you know?
for this I get extra shit.
| 1330 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:19:24am |
re: #1320 yma o hyd
Thanks for that tweetdeck!
I've signed up to twitter and tweetdeck - and it works, yeehah!
(Am not going to twitter meself, ok, right!)
I don't ever twitter anything, myself. Who cares what I'm doing LOL?
I have it to RECEIVE tweets.
| 1331 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:19:27am |
From persiankiwi:
'unconfmd - Montazeri speaks out rejecting election result - #Iranelection'
Well well well!
| 1332 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:19:59am |
re: #1323 Throbert McGee
Anne Ramsey's finest moment was in Wes Craven's Deadly Friend...
It was like the peaceful planet Basketball from Hardware Wars finally got its overdue revenge...
| 1333 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:20:21am |
re: #1282 razorbacker
Here is something to remember when you hear that this or that economic indicator is up by 'fill-in-the-blank-percentage'.
If you have $100 invested and lose 50%, you have $50.
If you then have a good investment result and gain 50%, you have $75.
Figures don't lie, but liars do figure.
Famous book: How to Lie With Statistics
| 1334 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:20:29am |
re: #1321 lawhawk
For someone who supposedly is a genius and a public speaker, his comments are labored and insufficient for the task.
Obama can and should be pressing on the points of liberty and freedom and the respect for human rights, and that the Iranian people demand and deserve as much.
That, in a nutshell is what he should have said. It's what President Reagan or President Bush (both) would have said.
It's the right - morally and ethically - thing to do, and it doesn't interfere with the inner workings of the regime because it fires back at the regime's claims of free and fair elections.
Wish I had a million updings.
| 1335 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:20:34am |
re: #1329 spidly
You insulted a lady and a good friend to many of us here. I'd say that qualifies for you getting extra shit.
| 1336 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:20:52am |
re: #1329 spidly
OK, who is arguing well past when it is clear that who is wrong?
| 1337 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:20:58am |
From our winston:
'gooya news says regime s burying the Tehran univ campus dead students secretly #IranElection'
(No, not your dog, HH!)
| 1338 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:21:40am |
re: #1330 reine.de.tout
I don't ever twitter anything, myself. Who cares what I'm doing LOL?
I have it to RECEIVE tweets.
That makes two of us then!
| 1339 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:21:48am |
re: #1329 spidly
re: #1208 Throbert McGee
re: #1198 albusteve
re: #1195 Dark_Falcon
re: #1193 HoosierHoops
fuckin' 'ell. this whole thing started because I said Sharmuta can be Pedantic and argues well past when it it is obvious she she wrong..... duh has anybody here met sharmuta?
so for that obsevation I get threats from hoosier - he's on vacation and can find me, don't you know?for this I get extra shit.
Charles has asked to keep this shit off his board...bottom line
| 1340 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:21:50am |
| 1342 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:22:09am |
re: #1308 Throbert McGee
Whether the stranger is male or female, I honestly don't understand the point of the question. Or rather, I don't think the question can be meaningfully answered without first filling in a lot of other variables. Like: "Am I even horny enough to bother speculating about sex tonight?" (Note: I'm 37, not 17.) And: "Assuming I'm hoping for a sexual encounter, do I care whether it's a one-night-stand, or the beginning of an ongoing but no-strings 'buddy' relationship, or the first date that might lead to something long-term and committed?"
The point of the question was based on Sharms seemingly superficial/ stereotype comment #145 (for which she was attacked for). I posited that in my many years on this planet (55 and counting) regardless if I was younger or older, assuming or not, horny or not, looking longtrem or quicky, I have never once looked at a female with the 1st thought popping into my head as to if she has a great personality
| 1343 |
CIA Reject Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:22:23am |
re: #1321 lawhawk
For someone who supposedly is a genius and a public speaker, his comments are labored and insufficient for the task.
Obama can and should be pressing on the points of liberty and freedom and the respect for human rights, and that the Iranian people demand and deserve as much.
That, in a nutshell is what he should have said. It's what President Reagan or President Bush (both) would have said.
It's the right - morally and ethically - thing to do, and it doesn't interfere with the inner workings of the regime because it fires back at the regime's claims of free and fair elections.
I agree completely, liberty and respect for human rights is what BO should have spoken about- the reason why he didn't is that HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THOSE THINGS!
And still he managed to be elected POTUS.
Behold the power of mass marketing and lousy education...
| 1344 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:22:28am |
re: #1337 yma o hyd
From our winston:
'gooya news says regime s burying the Tehran univ campus dead students secretly #IranElection'(No, not your dog, HH!)
This from Change_For_Iran earlier:
not only that they attacked us, now they are hiding the bodies of those we lost! I will kill ahmadynezhad myself!
| 1345 |
Joo-LiZ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:22:29am |
re: yma o hyd
That makes many of us...
I am surprised by how many of my friends have decided to try following me, even though I NEVER post.
| 1346 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:22:45am |
re: #1319 Sharmuta
♪♫ Hay, hay- roll in the hay! ♪♫
What a filthy job.
Could be worse.
How?
It could be raining.
[lightning -- rain]
| 1347 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:01am |
re: #1341 buzzsawmonkey
One of the great things about this establishment is that you can not only get extra shit, but unlimited shit refills, at no extra charge.
too funny....ahaha!
| 1348 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:19am |
re: #1292 Dianna
I think he's a bit late. Unless he proposes to disown the "militia"?
True, but -- in a sense -- better late than never.
He DOES have status there.
| 1349 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:25am |
re: #1341 buzzsawmonkey
One of the great things about this establishment is that you can not only get extra shit, but unlimited shit refills, at no extra charge.
You win the thread.
| 1350 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:29am |
re: #1329 spidly
If you can't take the *whack*, don't give the flack.
| 1351 |
DisturbedEma Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:30am |
| 1352 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:56am |
re: #1345 Joo-LiZ
That makes many of us...
I am surprised by how many of my friends have decided to try following me, even though I NEVER post.
Teeheehee!
Mind - its a great thing for following what is happening in situations like just now in iran, and before in Mumbai.
| 1353 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:57am |
re: #1329 spidly
re: #1208 Throbert McGee
re: #1198 albusteve
re: #1195 Dark_Falcon
re: #1193 HoosierHoops
fuckin' 'ell. this whole thing started because I said Sharmuta can be Pedantic and argues well past when it it is obvious she she wrong..... duh has anybody here met sharmuta?
so for that obsevation I get threats from hoosier - he's on vacation and can find me, don't you know?for this I get extra shit.
Shut up...I Didn't threaten you...I called you out...
I have never threaten anyone here you prick....I may have called you a name or two...But trust me...Of all Lizards.You deserved it....
| 1354 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:24:19am |
re: #1324 realwest
Once again, thank you reine! Your posts are so helpful to figure out what's going on over there -especially for someone without a twitter account!
Realwest - I am so fascinated by what's happening over there.
I cannot imagine what life must be like that people will put themselves in harm's way this way
| 1355 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:24:25am |
| 1356 |
Buck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:24:27am |
Does anyone remember the Domino Effect? The theory that Communism would spread from country to country like the falling of dominos?
Yet in the end, what we are witnessing is the exact opposite effect. Freedom spreads from country to country... Certainly slower than dominos, but clearly spreading.
The old soviet union saw this happen to it, and now the middle east.
HISTORY will vindicate Bush. Freedom!
| 1357 |
J.S. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:24:38am |
I'm having real trouble posting -- delays, etc. Anywho, about Mousavi's wife -- she' been compared to Michelle Obama, etc. But, there is an article at LiveLeak which claims that Mousavi (among other things) founded Hezbollah...(I don't know if this is political spin here? what degree of veracity do such reports have? I don't know. but it does make for interesting reading..)
here's the link... (again, makes for some interesting reading...frankly I've been hearing far too much about how Mousavi is *not* a "reformer" in any way, shape, or form...(or at least not how the word "Reform" is understood in the West.)
| 1358 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:24:48am |
re: #1307 Wendya
I'm wondering if Ahmadinajhad is going to actually return from Russia. It looks like the mullahs may be getting ready to throw him under the bus hoping they can cut a deal with Mousavi.
Nice thought!
We can always hope!
| 1359 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:28am |
re: #1353 HoosierHoops
Shut up...I Didn't threaten you...I called you out...
I have never threaten anyone here you prick....I may have called you a name or two...But trust me...Of all Lizards.You deserved it....
you don't sound so sorry anymore...were you serious or not?...why can't Charles have his way with this petty crap?
| 1360 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:31am |
I am less cynical today about the Iranian situation. These folks seem to want serious systemic change in Iran's government. Although I'm still not convinced that most Iranians are pro-Western, pro-Israel or anti-Nuke, one thing is for sure - man, can they ever raise hell!
And so for the grief and aggravation that they are obviously giving the mullahs and shortshit, and for the probably damage to Iran's international prestige and influence, they have won my hearty support.
And who knows, maybe they will actually succeed in transforming Iran into a less hostile state. But even if they turn out not to be our friends, they are at least the enemies of our enemies.
Burn Baby Burn.
| 1361 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:39am |
re: #1353 HoosierHoops
Shut up...I Didn't threaten you...I called you out...
I have never threaten anyone here you prick....I may have called you a name or two...But trust me...Of all Lizards.You deserved it....
I took a break to do paper work ( which I freak en hate ) and I come back and nothing has changed? Hints don't work I guess?
| 1362 |
DisturbedEma Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:47am |
re: #1355 Nevergiveup
Jews would not have missed. Just saying.
That would be funny if I were not so afraid for my Jewish children. ..
| 1363 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:52am |
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in.We asked for signs
the signs were sent:
the birth betrayed
the marriage spent
Yeah the widowhood
of every government --
signs for all to see.I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.
L. Cohen
| 1364 |
opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:54am |
re: #1307 Wendya
I'm wondering if Ahmadinajhad is going to actually return from Russia. It looks like the mullahs may be getting ready to throw him under the bus hoping they can cut a deal with Mousavi.
I'm wondering that too. The genie is out of the bottle. Half of the Iranian population is under 30 & they are internet savy & know the outside world.
The Mullahs have got to be nervous & probably wish that they had this one back.
| 1365 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:25:55am |
McCain on Iran rigged election (youtube) [Link: is.gd...] #gr88 #iranelection
From stop amadi
| 1366 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:26:19am |
re: #1302 nyc redneck
how could anyone trust gov't health care.
look at the many failed gov't programs in the u.s.
baby boomers are going to get hosed.
social security will be bankrupt soon.
how can we trust the gov't to care abt. sick people?
bureaucrats greet you w/ a frown on their faces.
just like at the DMV.
I got two words for anybody who wants government run health care.
Veterans' Administration
| 1367 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:26:39am |
re: #1329 spidly
You were being hostile, insulting, and snarky to people I like. When people do that while I'm around, I tend to tell them to shut up. I don't like seeing my real life friends get maligned, and the same goes for my online friends.
| 1368 |
Buck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:26:58am |
re: yma o hyd
McCain on Iran rigged election (youtube) [Link: is.gd...] #gr88 #iranelection
From stop amadi
Link is bad
| 1369 |
MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:27:22am |
| 1370 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:27:24am |
re: #1315 John Neverbend
Christie Blatchford is always good. A few of the others are sometimes good. I like the crossword.
| 1371 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:27:31am |
re: #1334 reine.de.tout
Wish I had a million updings.
You only allowed a maximum of 100,000 the rest are taxed.
| 1372 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:27:39am |
re: #1354 reine.de.tout
Realwest - I am so fascinated by what's happening over there.
I cannot imagine what life must be like that people will put themselves in harm's way this way
I mean, look at this - my heart stopped for this person:
#iranelection oh oh!i have a problem here!Gulfnews print an article and used my name [Link: www.gulfnews.com...]
| 1373 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:27:51am |
re: #1356 Buck
Does anyone remember the Domino Effect? The theory that Communism would spread from country to country like the falling of dominos?
Yet in the end, what we are witnessing is the exact opposite effect. Freedom spreads from country to country... Certainly slower than dominos, but clearly spreading.
The old soviet union saw this happen to it, and now the middle east.
HISTORY will vindicate Bush. Freedom!
Well it always depends on who writes the History. In Churchill's case he took care of that by writing his own better than anyone. Bush should get a good ghost writer. Martin Gilbert comes to mind.
| 1375 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:28:05am |
persiankiwi: tonight we will have full info about Ahwaz - contact has arrived in tehran - vweak internet today plus diff computr kboard #Iranelection
| 1376 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:28:36am |
re: #1341 buzzsawmonkey
One of the great things about this establishment is that you can not only get extra shit, but unlimited shit refills, at no extra charge.
amein.
ohwell. guarantee I will not go over to the pustules that populate The Gates of Vienna should I become persona non grata at LGF because I am not a Sharmuta fan
| 1377 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:28:47am |
re: #1362 DisturbedEma
That would be funny if I were not so afraid for my Jewish children. ..
And mine.
| 1378 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:28:50am |
re: #1371 jcm
You only allowed a maximum of 100,000 the rest are taxed.
Obama is going to spread the updings.
| 1379 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:28:54am |
re: #1368 Buck
Link is bad
Sorry about that - I pasted it from the Iranian twitter ...
Perhaps someone can find it on utube itself?
| 1380 |
Kronocide Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:05am |
| 1381 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:21am |
re: #1321 lawhawk
For someone who supposedly is a genius and a public speaker, his comments are labored and insufficient for the task.
Obama can and should be pressing on the points of liberty and freedom and the respect for human rights, and that the Iranian people demand and deserve as much.
That, in a nutshell is what he should have said. It's what President Reagan or President Bush (both) would have said.
It's the right - morally and ethically - thing to do, and it doesn't interfere with the inner workings of the regime because it fires back at the regime's claims of free and fair elections.
the problem is o has no idea what you are talking abt.
he has no moral compass that would allow him to think abt. the simple points of liberty, freedom and respect for human rights which you mention.
as a committed socialist/commie lib, individual rights are not important to him.
o's agenda is not built on real compassion for people.
his cold detached persona is evident in what he says and does.
he looks awkward and ridiculous when he pretends to care. it is not a language he speaks.
but one of his handlers should have written something for him to read for the citizens of iran.
it is unconscionable that he is waffling on whose rights to herald.
| 1382 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:22am |
re: #1361 Nevergiveup
I took a break to do paper work ( which I freak en hate ) and I come back and nothing has changed? Hints don't work I guess?
Hey Doc...I'm done...gonna log off and drive the boat..
I just pray to God he doesn't come back with a smart ass comment to me...
This has going on since 4am and I swear I'm over it...
Let's just be friends today....
| 1383 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:32am |
re: #1369 MJ
I think Israel should consider swapping Carter for Gilad Schalit.
Why would Hamas make that trade?
| 1384 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:42am |
re: #1366 Son of the Black Dog
I got two words for anybody who wants government run health care.
Veterans' Administration
| 1385 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:47am |
One more Young Frankenstein quote (one of my favorites):
-For the experiment to be a success, all of the body parts must be enlarged.
- His veins, his feet, his hands, his organs vould all have to be increased in size.
- Exactly.
- He vould have an enormous schwanzstucker.
- That goes without saying.
-Voof.
- He's going to be very popular.
| 1386 |
Buck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:29:52am |
re: Nevergiveup
Well it always depends on who writes the History. In Churchill's case he took care of that by writing his own better than anyone. Bush should get a good ghost writer. Martin Gilbert comes to mind.
It will take time, but 100 years from now the freedom domino theory will look like all this happened over night...
| 1387 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:30:01am |
re: #1371 jcm
You only allowed a maximum of 100,000 the rest are taxed.
Gore will sell ya some for a price
| 1388 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:30:10am |
Aww - gotta feed them dogs! They are getting twitchy!
BBIAW!
| 1389 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:30:23am |
re: #1343 CIA Reject
I agree completely, liberty and respect for human rights is what BO should have spoken about- the reason why he didn't is that HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THOSE THINGS!
And still he managed to be elected POTUS.
Behold the power of mass marketing and lousy education...
I agree. You can't speak with conviction if you happen to not believe in what you are speaking about. Folks Obama simply does not care about the elections in Iran except how he can make political coin out of them. He could not give a crap less about the people of Iran. He simply does not care about people, freedom and fair elections. It is just not in his make up. for Obama everything is about him and how can he us this crisis to make himself look good. He is the exact opposite of Bush.
| 1390 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:30:45am |
Winston80: rt @iranbaan ppl have engaged security forces around Azadi Sq in #tehran. ppl seized a Basij command post there #IranElection
persiankiwi: unconfmd major incident at Azadi - shooting - fires - ppl running #Iranelection
| 1391 |
MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:30:47am |
re: #1383 Nevergiveup
Why would Hamas make that trade?
That's true. Carter is already a spokesman for Hamas.
| 1392 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:31:04am |
re: #1383 Nevergiveup
Why would Hamas make that trade?
They wouldn't, as it would reduce to zero Carter's "useful idiot" value.
| 1393 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:31:12am |
re: #1388 yma o hyd
Aww - gotta feed them dogs! They are getting twitchy!
BBIAW!
That looked like a tweet to me.
| 1394 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:31:38am |
re: #1340 MandyManners
Isn't that a huge insult to him?
Actually, when in drag Arafat was quite passable.
| 1395 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:32:02am |
re: #1354 reine.de.tout
Realwest - I am so fascinated by what's happening over there.
I cannot imagine what life must be like that people will put themselves in harm's way this way
Just remember that fellow standing in front of a tank in Tiannemen Square. Just pure courage and belief in what you stand for.
| 1396 |
Buck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:32:11am |
re: yma o hyd
Sorry about that - I pasted it from the Iranian twitter ...
Perhaps someone can find it on utube itself?
In the future please watch the video BEFORE you post the link. Some of us are doing this from work, and if you don't know if it is SFW, then we all could get into serious trouble.
In this case it was a bad link but what if it linked to the Paris Hilton Sex videos?
| 1397 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:32:32am |
re: #1373 Nevergiveup
Bush has said he won't write his memoirs. He will leave that to historians.
| 1398 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:32:37am |
re: #1381 nyc redneck
I depend on you to vent my own thoughts...I can sit back and let you do the verbage for me!...well said...again
| 1399 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:33:09am |
catechi: I saw a motorcycle in fire in Azadi st. heavy clash in Azadi st. right now #iranelection
| 1400 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:33:43am |
re: #1397 Kenneth
Bush has said he won't write his memoirs. He will leave that to historians.
Hope he reconsiders. I think that would be a mistake.
| 1401 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:34:31am |
re: #1357 J.S. I don't think he's a reformer, but baby steps. To the end of the mullocracy and then....down the road........see Iraq.
Successful defiance of, and perhaps even the overthrowing of the Mullahs is a GREAT and NECESSARY start.
| 1402 |
CIA Reject Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:34:58am |
re: #1400 Nevergiveup
Hope he reconsiders. I think that would be a mistake.
Considering that, for the most part, today's "journalists" are tomorrow's "historians" I tend to agree with you...
| 1403 |
DisturbedEma Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:35:01am |
So, dear leader of the unclenched fist tanks on every fucking thing he touches, creates staggering debt. . .and uh uh uh nothing from MSM? Niiiiiiiiice.
| 1406 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:35:47am |
re: #1403 DisturbedEma
So, dear leader of the unclenched fist tanks on every fucking thing he touches, creates staggering debt. . .and uh uh uh nothing from MSM? Niiiiiiiiice.
Yup. And that's about all I expect.
| 1407 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:36:16am |
re: #1254 MJ
This is a long time ago ( 1970-71 ) so my memory is a little weak but I don't recall seeing any pictures of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. He would have been a bit foreign to them at that point in time...they were very Persian. I have seen photos of the Baba Sali but mostly among members of Moroccan Jews that I know.
It seems like every falafel and shwarma joint in Jerusalem has a picture of the Rebbe and Baba Sali.
| 1408 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:36:24am |
re: #1405 buzzsawmonkey
It would, in fact, be compounding the biggest mistake of his Administration, which was permitting the media to set the terms of discussion.
Very well said.
| 1409 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:36:30am |
re: #1357 J.S.
Most of what I have heard about him seems true. He may be the driving force that practically launched these demonstrations, but will people be willing to stop at just that?
| 1410 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:36:57am |
re: #1398 albusteve
{albusteve} thank you for your kind words.
(all i do is free associate)
| 1411 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:37:42am |
re: #1404 redc1c4
Hi red, busier then a one legged man at an ass kicking contest following this stuff on twitter. One more day to a real normal schedule.
| 1412 |
J.S. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:37:49am |
re: #1401 realwest
Did you read the article? Mousavi is also (or so it's claimed) responsible for heading up Iran's notorious "security" forces (mirrored on the KGB) which tortures and executes political dissidents...(as was done after the 1979 Revolution -- thousands of political prisoners were murdered back then)..
| 1413 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:37:51am |
re: #1376 spidly
Isn't what's happening in Iran a little more important than this bloody snit-fit?
I don't even know what it's about (and, trust me, I flat don't care), and I'm finding it tiresome.
| 1414 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:38:02am |
Last update - 19:18 16/06/2009
Carter: Gazans being treated like animals
By Reuters
Tags: Israel News, Carter, Gaza
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are being "treated more like animals than human beings", former U.S. president Jimmy Carter said on Tuesday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This guy is getting worse by the minute!
| 1415 |
Scion9 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:38:23am |
re: #1356 Buck
The Domino Effect was based on the idea that Communist Nations would use coercive means including military conquest and exporting terrorism to flip their neighbors, which is exactly what happened.
re: #1357 J.S.
He is not a reformer. He is 'Pro-Western' in the sense that he doesn't want to be in the dictators club along with Chavez, Putin and Kim and would rather be seen as more in line with PMs and Presidents of European nations and more involvement with the EU.
In essence, even though he is basically a hardliner with a fresh coat of campaign whitewash, he does seem to have the goal of not wanting to be in the rogue's gallery that are Ahmadinejad's chosen allies.
His chief difference with Ahmadinejad is that he at least appears to have the wherewithal to be able to look around the world and see what the Soviets did to their own country and their neighbor's country for ~80 years and what western European nations and their allies have done for themselves at the same time and see who histories winners are.
| 1416 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:38:29am |
re: #1376 spidly
amein.
ohwell. guarantee I will not go over to the pustules that populate The Gates of Vienna should I become persona non grata at LGF because I am not a Sharmuta fan
*sigh*
Not liking someone here will not get you the stick.
| 1417 |
CIA Reject Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:38:33am |
re: #1403 DisturbedEma
So, dear leader of the unclenched fist tanks on every fucking thing he touches, creates staggering debt. . .and uh uh uh nothing from MSM? Niiiiiiiiice.
Waddaya mean "nothing"? Why, just now over at CNN they're showing us how to make a house out of old shipping crates.
If that ain't news I don't know what is!
/////////////
| 1418 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:39:08am |
re: #1413 Dianna
Isn't what's happening in Iran a little more important than this bloody snit-fit?
I don't even know what it's about (and, trust me, I flat don't care), and I'm finding it tiresome.
Indeed!
| 1419 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:39:09am |
re: #1405 buzzsawmonkey
It would, in fact, be compounding the biggest mistake of his Administration, which was permitting the media to set the terms of discussion.
No, I don't think so. Bush really doesn't care about his image the way Clinton and Obama do. If he continues to get ruined in the media, he doesn't care. He said he will let historians evaluate it. Most historians aren't in the media. They will be a bit more fair than the media.
| 1420 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:39:19am |
re: #1405 buzzsawmonkey
It would, in fact, be compounding the biggest mistake of his Administration, which was permitting the media to set the terms of discussion.
On the other hand it illustrates one of the biggest differences between him and Obama. Bush wasn't in it for the fame, the ego boost or his own personal profit. I, too, would like to hear his side of his story, but I admire him for not making it all about him.
| 1421 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:39:49am |
re: #1351 DisturbedEma
B'chayay! What's this about impossible conditions for the Palestinians, "to give up on the right of return and Jerusalem." Surely that's a complete non-starter, and when was it ever even suggested that Israel would agree to it? I was just reading UN Resolution 242 which calls for, inter alia, "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force..."
| 1422 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:40:01am |
re: #1365 yma o hyd
Where was that John McCain during the campaign?!
And, as I've said already, he's right. The U.S. stands for Freedom and Democracy, even if only (and it's more, much more than this) by our example: every 4 or 8 years, a guy leaves the WH and turns over the keys to the POWER to someone else - all done peacefully.
| 1423 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:40:04am |
Obama, South Korean president declare that 'under no circumstance' will North Korea be allowed to possess nuclear weapons
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Hey Pal, I think that Bus has left the station?
| 1424 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:40:25am |
re: #1420 Ford_Prefect
On the other hand it illustrates one of the biggest differences between him and Obama. Bush wasn't in it for the fame, the ego boost or his own personal profit. I, too, would like to hear his side of his story, but I admire him for not making it all about him.
Psych. GMTA.
| 1426 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:41:00am |
re: #1414 Nevergiveup
Last update - 19:18 16/06/2009
Carter: Gazans being treated like animals
By Reuters
Tags: Israel News, Carter, Gaza
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are being "treated more like animals than human beings", former U.S. president Jimmy Carter said on Tuesday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This guy is getting worse by the minute!
He's senile, course he was on Jan. 20 1976 too.
| 1427 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:41:15am |
Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran
According to the Cyrus News Agency, Tuesday morning 16 senior members of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps were arrested. "These commanders have been in contact with members of the Iranian army to join the people's movement," CNA reports. "Three of the commanders are veterans of Iran-Iraq war. They have been moved to an undisclosed location in East Tehran." This report has not been confirmed by other sources. If true, it shows that the regime is losing the loyalty of some members of its control apparatus, which is necessary if the opposition has any chance of achieving fundamental change. Mass rallies can easily be broken up and revolutions crushed, as we saw at Tiananmen Square in 1989. But if members of the armed forces, police and especially Revolutionary Guards decided to switch sides, then one can begin speaking of revolution.
This could be significant.
| 1428 |
Wendya Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:41:43am |
re: #1357 J.S.
here's the link... (again, makes for some interesting reading...frankly I've been hearing far too much about how Mousavi is *not* a "reformer" in any way, shape, or form...(or at least not how the word "Reform" is understood in the West.)
Mousavi, like Obama, ran on a platform of "change" that appealed to younger voters. If anything in his history indicated he was a proponent of true reform, he would have been excluded from the ticket. That said, it's important to remember that a significant portion of the population is demanding more than business as usual in Iran. That can have a lot of long range consequences.
This is only the first step.
| 1429 |
redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:41:46am |
re: #1416 MandyManners
*sigh*
Not liking someone here will not get you the stick.
that might depend upon how one here expresses said dislike.....
| 1430 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:42:16am |
re: #1381 nyc redneck
Hey nyc redneck - great comment! Hope you're well this afternoon!
| 1431 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:42:20am |
| 1432 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:42:22am |
re: #1419 vxbush
No, I don't think so. Bush really doesn't care about his image the way Clinton and Obama do. If he continues to get ruined in the media, he doesn't care. He said he will let historians evaluate it. Most historians aren't in the media. They will be a bit more fair than the media.
Maybe, but when the time is right, he should set the record straight as he sees it. His position was unique and his insights are valuable. I understand he is different than Clinton and Obama, but he still stood in the center of the vortex at a crucial time in history.
| 1433 |
JohnnyReb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:42:47am |
re: #1419 vxbush
No, I don't think so. Bush really doesn't care about his image the way Clinton and Obama do. If he continues to get ruined in the media, he doesn't care. He said he will let historians evaluate it. Most historians aren't in the media. They will be a bit more fair than the media.
Don't forget about Carter, he is acting like he is still in office lately.
| 1434 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:42:54am |
re: #1427 Kenneth
Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran
This could be significant.
RG going wobbly, is significant, and could be good news.
| 1435 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:42:55am |
re: #1427 Kenneth
I saw reports of that yesterday too. It's entirely possible. I think this is probably going to hinge on which way the military goes.
| 1436 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:43:17am |
| 1437 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:43:34am |
| 1438 |
MJ Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:44:03am |
re: #1426 jcm
He's senile, course he was on Jan. 20 1976 too.
Not senile. That would mean he wasn't responsible for his actions.
Carter is malevolent. Just evil.
| 1439 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:44:04am |
re: #1427 Kenneth
Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran
This could be significant.
Indeed!
I love to see some sort (any sort) of confirmation.
| 1440 |
Kragar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:44:32am |
| 1441 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:44:35am |
re: #1436 John Neverbend
OK, then take it up with Hamas.
Take it up the what? Oh...Hamas...never mind...
| 1442 |
J.S. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:44:53am |
re: #1415 Scion9
How is founding Hezbollah along with an agency called MOIS (modeled after the KGB and with Soviet help) translate into being "pro Western?" I believe that that is just more spin -- ditto for all those claims about "He's a Reformer, Yeah!" I don't buy it. He's not "pro Western," he's not "pro American", and he's not "a reformer." (in my opinion).
| 1444 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:45:24am |
re: #1371 jcm
You only allowed a maximum of 100,000 the rest are taxed.
Actually they're phased out between 100,000 and 120,000. That's for Married Filing Jointly. For single filers, the phaseout is between 57,000 and 63,500. (Both are adjusted for inflation.)
| 1445 |
redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:45:44am |
re: #1428 Wendya
Mousavi, like Obama, ran on a platform of "change" that appealed to younger voters. If anything in his history indicated he was a proponent of true reform, he would have been excluded from the ticket. That said, it's important to remember that a significant portion of the population is demanding more than business as usual in Iran. That can have a lot of long range consequences.
This is only the first step.
major miscalculation by the ruling elite: throw out a minor reform candidate, hoping to split the vote, and remain in power, not realizing that the masses would seize upon the idea of improving their life, and then get really pissed when it was taken from them.
as i said way up thread, even sheep look up on occasion.
| 1446 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:45:55am |
re: #1435 Killgore Trout
The regular army almost certainly supports the people. But they have been confined to barracks. The IRGC have more & better weapons, vehicles & money. In a head to head fight, the Army would loose to the IRGC.
| 1447 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:46:08am |
re: #1441 Ford_Prefect
Take it up the what? Oh...Hamas...never mind...
I never saw it that way, but now that you mention it, it does have a certain anatomical amibiguity about it.
| 1449 |
Scion9 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:46:44am |
re: #1414 Nevergiveup
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are being "treated more like animals than human beings", former U.S. president Jimmy Carter said on Tuesday.
Carter is absolutely right. Unfortunately unless someone steps in and stops Hamas and their ideological compatriots from terrorizing and abusing their own people they will continue to be treated as animals.
Of course, the Palestinians themselves seem content to be ruled over by the most barbaric among them, son long as the Jews get their share of that barbarism unleashed upon them as well.
| 1450 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:46:45am |
re: #1447 John Neverbend
I never saw it that way, but now that you mention it, it does have a certain anatomical amibiguity about it.
Sorry, "ambiguity".
| 1451 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:46:48am |
re: #1414 Nevergiveup
Last update - 19:18 16/06/2009
Carter: Gazans being treated like animals
By Reuters
Tags: Israel News, Carter, Gaza
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are being "treated more like animals than human beings", former U.S. president Jimmy Carter said on Tuesday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This guy is getting worse by the minute!
You want to talk about animals, Jimmy, well...
| 1452 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:47:11am |
MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth was sentenced to serve 30 days in jail after pleading guilty in Florida to a DUI manslaughter charge.
The plea deal announced Tuesday calls for the 28-year-old Stallworth to also serve 10 years' probation and perform 1,000 community service hours for hitting and killing 59-year-old construction worker Mario Reyes with his car. Stallworth had faced up to 15 years in prison.
Stallworth also reached a confidential financial settlement with the Reyes' family. A person close to the negotiations told The Association Press about the agreement on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the deal.
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Drunk driving and he killed someone and he only got 30 days? Any Lizard Lawyers want to comment?
| 1453 |
slokat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:47:29am |
Arkansas Tea Party organizer launches Senate bid
Hmm businessman, self described centrist republican.
| 1454 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:47:40am |
re: #1427 Kenneth
Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran
This could be significant.
If so, the regime is losing control of the forces of coercion.
Check number five and six on the revolution checklist!
| 1455 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:47:44am |
re: #1414 Nevergiveup
Treated like animals? Talk to Hamas (oh wait, Carter did), and all Carter got was nearly turned into a red mist because some of Hamas' friends wanted to assassinate the former President of the United States, who has a fondness for all things terrorism related these days, regardless of the consequences.
Hamas chose war against Israel, not peace.
Hamas chose to send suicide bombers against Israel. Israel responded with checkpoints and security fences to prevent attacks of mass murder.
Hamas chose a rocket war.
Hamas targets women and children and couldn't care what happens to anyone in the crossfire, whether they're Palestinian or not.
This is indoctrinated into these people from birth. Suicide bombers are treated as heroes, and Carter complains that they're treated as animals.
Animals have better sense than to commit mass murder in the name of jihad, which is what Hamas exhorts others to do.
| 1456 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:47:54am |
re: #1442 J.S.
How is founding Hezbollah along with an agency called MOIS (modeled after the KGB and with Soviet help) translate into being "pro Western?" I believe that that is just more spin -- ditto for all those claims about "He's a Reformer, Yeah!" I don't buy it. He's not "pro Western," he's not "pro American", and he's not "a reformer." (in my opinion).
I agree with you on that. I'm a little bit uncomfortable with people turning their websites green in solidarity with Mousavi's party. But I do think this uprising is about more than just Mousavi. Hopefully it will dismantle the whole system.
| 1457 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:47:54am |
re: #1438 MJ
Not senile. That would mean he wasn't responsible for his actions.
Carter is malevolent. Just evil.
Yeah...... no doubt.
| 1458 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:48:06am |
re: #1416 MandyManners
*sigh*
Not liking someone here will not get you the stick.
But going on about it for HOURS might.
| 1459 |
Wendya Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:48:10am |
re: #1451 Dark_Falcon
You want to talk about animals, Jimmy, well...
He ought to be well versed in animals since every time he looks in the mirror he sees a horse's ass.
| 1460 |
redc1c4 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:48:24am |
re: #1435 Killgore Trout
I saw reports of that yesterday too. It's entirely possible. I think this is probably going to hinge on which way the military goes.
IIRC, the military is primarily draftees.... and fairly homogeneous. i wouldn't count on them being willing to shoot the regular citizens. if they have to count on the army, i'd say they run a rel risk of having them join the revolt.
| 1461 |
filetandrelease Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:48:43am |
RT @m0rningstarr : RT From Iran CONFIRMED! Army moving into Tehran against protesters! PLZ RT! URGENT! … #tcot where is Obama?
Sorry if this has been posted already, but it appears an ominous development.
| 1462 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:48:46am |
Is the Second Iranian Revolution still ongoing?
| 1464 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:48:57am |
| 1465 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:49:06am |
re: #1443 buzzsawmonkey
He's pouting, buzz, because the Iranians are upsetting his glorious script!
| 1466 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:49:14am |
re: #1459 Wendya
He ought to be well versed in animals since every time he looks in the mirror he sees a horse's ass.
Good one
| 1467 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:49:22am |
re: #1452 Nevergiveup
Drunk driving and he killed someone and he only got 30 days? Any Lizard Lawyers want to comment?
Sure, at $350 a comment. :)
| 1468 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:49:38am |
re: #1446 Kenneth
The regular army almost certainly supports the people. But they have been confined to barracks. The IRGC have more & better weapons, vehicles & money. In a head to head fight, the Army would loose to the IRGC.
Not necessarily. The IRGC would be heavily outnumbered and they don't own the helicopter gunships either. Hinds and Huey Cobras make great equalizers.
| 1469 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:49:48am |
re: #1446 Kenneth
The regular army almost certainly supports the people. But they have been confined to barracks. The IRGC have more & better weapons, vehicles & money. In a head to head fight, the Army would loose to the IRGC.
Ahem.
As to the better weapons etc etc etc which the IRGC have, as opposed to the regular army: the debacle of the Iraqi 'Revolutionary Guards' comes to mind.
It might well be possible that the regular Army, together with the dissidents, wuld be a nut too hard to crack for the IRGC.
Possibly ...
| 1470 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:50:01am |
re: #1437 MandyManners
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
As opposed to...what? Elevensies? Onesies? Afternoon tea?
| 1471 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:50:33am |
| 1472 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:50:37am |
| 1473 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:50:38am |
re: #1461 filetandrelease
Been constantly reposted since about 10am EST, almost three hours. Starting to die off now in the feed but it was coming up a lot. I think that one is rumour.
| 1474 |
JohnnyReb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:50:44am |
re: #1452 Nevergiveup
MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth was sentenced to serve 30 days in jail after pleading guilty in Florida to a DUI manslaughter charge.
The plea deal announced Tuesday calls for the 28-year-old Stallworth to also serve 10 years' probation and perform 1,000 community service hours for hitting and killing 59-year-old construction worker Mario Reyes with his car. Stallworth had faced up to 15 years in prison.
Stallworth also reached a confidential financial settlement with the Reyes' family. A person close to the negotiations told The Association Press about the agreement on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the deal.
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Drunk driving and he killed someone and he only got 30 days? Any Lizard Lawyers want to comment?
I know a guy locally who got 30 days in jail for just a DUI because he could not afford a lawyer and had to go with a PD. And he didn't even have an accident. That sentence seems awfully strange to me. 30 days in jail but 10 years probation? Huh!?
| 1476 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:50:58am |
| 1477 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:51:09am |
| 1478 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:51:09am |
re: #1403 DisturbedEma
So, dear leader of the unclenched fist tanks on every fucking thing he touches, creates staggering debt. . .and uh uh uh nothing from MSM? Niiiiiiiiice.
the way o cries and moans abt. what he inherited is just disgusting. he blames everyone for what is going on. like a spoiled brat. it is so unbecoming for the leader of the free world to behave like this.
it shows he doesn't have what it takes to look at a situation and act decisively.
i don't remember pres. bush, after 9-11 whining and flailing abt. the failure of stupid clinton to protect this country. (and he easily could have. fcking clinton didn't even think the 1st wtc bombing was important enough for him to come downtown). pres. bush made some tough calls on 9-11,
he behaved like a president.
o needs to man up. stop his crowing and squawking.
he wanted the job, he knew what was involved.
o
| 1479 |
justabill Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:51:20am |
re: #1442 J.S.
How is founding Hezbollah along with an agency called MOIS (modeled after the KGB and with Soviet help) translate into being "pro Western?" I believe that that is just more spin -- ditto for all those claims about "He's a Reformer, Yeah!" I don't buy it. He's not "pro Western," he's not "pro American", and he's not "a reformer." (in my opinion).
Sometimes being a leader means seeing where the crowd is going and getting there first. If the movement is really about "classic liberalism" (democracy, freedom ect) and he's smart, he might become who the crowd (and the west) want him to be...
| 1480 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:51:59am |
re: #1467 Walter L. Newton
Sure, at $350 a comment. :)
Gouging! BAR rate book says $250 a comment 500 character limit.
| 1481 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:52:04am |
re: #1446 Kenneth
In a head to head fight, the Army would loose to the IRGC.
Perhaps, but consider the subjective issue of Iranians-fighting-Iranians, within the context of this election scandal. Perhaps I'm over-thinking it, but would the Pasdaran be as willing to fight, given that element.
Also, whatever the outcome, a serious struggle would cripple Iran -- politically, diplomatically, and perhaps economically.
/theorizing mode OFF
| 1482 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:52:07am |
re: #1477 FurryOldGuyJeans
I just woke up, how does the tactical situation look?
I personally consider it a tactical mistake to have gotten out of bed. (On my part, that is)
| 1483 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:52:10am |
re: #1452 Nevergiveup
MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth was sentenced to serve 30 days in jail after pleading guilty in Florida to a DUI manslaughter charge.
The plea deal announced Tuesday calls for the 28-year-old Stallworth to also serve 10 years' probation and perform 1,000 community service hours for hitting and killing 59-year-old construction worker Mario Reyes with his car. Stallworth had faced up to 15 years in prison.
Stallworth also reached a confidential financial settlement with the Reyes' family. A person close to the negotiations told The Association Press about the agreement on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the deal.
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Drunk driving and he killed someone and he only got 30 days? Any Lizard Lawyers want to comment?
the guy flew right out in front of Stallworth...he had been drinking but was not pasted...a bad deal all around
| 1484 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:52:15am |
re: #1475 spidly
youd think so, but hoosier says he is going to take vacation time to visit me
Oh, get over yourself!
| 1485 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:52:30am |
re: #1414 Nevergiveup
Last update - 19:18 16/06/2009
Carter: Gazans being treated like animals
By Reuters
Tags: Israel News, Carter, Gaza
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are being "treated more like animals than human beings", former U.S. president Jimmy Carter said on Tuesday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This guy is getting worse by the minute!
they act like animals. that's what he was saying.
fck carter
| 1487 |
CIA Reject Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:53:29am |
re: #1476 Nevergiveup
Well i was curious, but not that curious.
A guy walks into a lawyer's office:
Guy: How much do you charge to answer a question?
Lawyer: $500
Guy: $500? Isn't that kind of a lot just to answer a question?
Lawyer: Yes, it is- and what's your third question?
| 1488 |
Scion9 Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:53:41am |
re: #1442 J.S.
It is all spin. "Pro-Western" in the sense they are using it just means being buddies with the EU instead of being buddies with Russia, North Korea et al.
That is still a positive as it gives people who actually are pro-Western an inlet into Iranian politics, which currently isn't the case. It basically amounts to a snowballs chance in hell that things would change, but it would at least give the chance to actually have thrown the snowball in the first place. The only foreign nations that have any diplomatic leverage in Iran now are those nations that are positively 'anti-Western' and especially anti-US.
| 1489 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:53:44am |
BBIAB time to make some lunch. Landlord dropped off some perfectly ripe tomatoes that are screaming for toasted sandwiches.
| 1491 |
J.S. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:54:03am |
re: #1456 Killgore Trout
You know, I really hope that these protests are about more than just having Mousavi become president (that it's really about something deeper -- an overthrow of the current theocracy, and not just a change of faces...) (the cynic in me says it's not about anything deep...)
| 1492 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:54:38am |
re: #1467 Walter L. Newton
Sure, at $350 a comment. :)
you're cheap....probably work out of a closet
| 1493 |
John Neverbend Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:55:00am |
I just saw an item on Ha'aretz, in which Ismail Haniyeh, sort of Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority, said "I agree to two-state solution with Jerusalem as Palestinian capital." Not sure what to make of this.
| 1494 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:55:23am |
re: BlueCanuck
BBIAB time to make some lunch. Landlord dropped off some perfectly ripe tomatoes that are screaming for toasted sandwiches.
The only good tomato is one cooked to pasta sauce or stuffed and broiled.
| 1498 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:55:31am |
Looks like Charles is up. The deletions have begun.
Good Morning Charles.
| 1499 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:55:41am |
| 1500 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:56:12am |
re: #1432 Nevergiveup
I read he is working on something.
| 1501 |
filetandrelease Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:56:21am |
re: #1473 BlueCanuck
Sorry then, RL rather busy, trying to keep up, but in general don't get up early enough for this crowd.
| 1502 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:56:34am |
| 1503 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:56:54am |
re: #1498 Ford_Prefect
Looks like Charles is up. The deletions have begun.
Good Morning Charles.
Ah, the sweet sweet music of The Banhammer.
| 1505 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:57:23am |
re: thedopefishlives
Ah, the sweet sweet music of The Banhammer.
Suicide by Stinky is such wonderful counterpoint.
| 1506 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:57:32am |
re: #1503 thedopefishlives
Ah, the sweet sweet music of The Banhammer.
Always liked Banheim Steamroller myself.
| 1507 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:57:42am |
Bwahahahahah...... heads explode while legs tingle? Oh, the cognitive dissonance of the BHO administration.....
| 1508 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:57:47am |
re: #585 dragonladyalso
Can hardly wait for Charles to explain how "okay" this is to do and how anyone objecting to it is obviously a creationist or a conspiracy nut or something of that ilk:
I can hardly wait for you to discover you no longer have an LGF account because of that huge chip on your shoulder.
| 1509 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:57:53am |
re: #1498 Ford_Prefect
Looks like Charles is up. The deletions have begun.
Good Morning Charles.
Who got deleted
| 1510 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:58:03am |
Pentagon: N. Korea missiles could threaten US
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon’s second-in-command says North Korea’s missiles could threaten the continental United States if the reclusive rogue nation continues to develop its weapons.Deputy Defense Secretary William Lynn agreed with an assessment by Sen. John McCain that the U.S. should be prepared for a "worst-case scenario" with North Korea.
So is Lynn going to be looking for a new job soon?
And what is Obama doing about this? More attempted bribery (like that worked so well in the past - they took the bribes and still worked on nukes.)
Obama offers NKorea incentive to abandon nukes
To be fair, the article talks more about punishing North Korea if they don't give up nukes:
President Barack Obama says there is an avenue for peace for North Korea if Pyongyang works with other nations around the world to denuclearize the Korean peninsula.
Obama said that the United States and other nations "must pursue a sustained and robust effort" to implement the latest United Nations resolution aimed at punishing the reclusive nation for its nuclear activities. He said Pyongyang could find a way to live in peace if it cooperates with the rest of the world on the nuclear issue.
| 1511 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:58:39am |
Good morning, all. Did someone mention my name?
I was thinking about all the frothing outrage at my not demanding more emphatic words from Obama on the scene in Iran, and a quote from Napoleon (who knew a thing or two about winning and losing) popped into my head.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
Flaunting Hemingway's "big words" - liberty, humanity, etc. - from Washington will not do a thing to stiffen the resolve of a student in Tehran who is contemplating the pros and cons of facing Basij with bullets. Especially when there is no chance of an American big stick to back up the big words. Do you hear any Republicans calling for actual intervention in Iran at this point? Didn't think so.
In fact if one protester dies because she thought America was set to do anything for her, we should be ashamed. It is in the hands of the Iranians now.
My computer spent the night and is spending the day helping to crash the Mullocracy's computer sites as per instructions here. It's working. The official presidential site ahmadinejad.ir now returns the message "server is too busy". My computer has slowed to a crawl. It took me 20 minutes to type this message.
Might I suggest that some of you do the same?
| 1512 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:58:40am |
re: #1508 Charles
I can hardly wait for you to discover you no longer have an LGF account because of that huge chip on your shoulder.
Yeah i saw that as he posted it, kinda knew he wasn't long for life here
| 1513 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:58:47am |
re: #1446 Kenneth
The regular army almost certainly supports the people. But they have been confined to barracks. The IRGC have more & better weapons, vehicles & money. In a head to head fight, the Army would loose to the IRGC.
What the regime should be concerned about is that the army will start passing out arms to the populace.
| 1514 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:58:53am |
[Link: twitter.com...]
Conflict b/w people and special guards in Azadi sq. UNCONF: People have taken over Meghdad Basij station
| 1515 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:59:16am |
re: #1498 Ford_Prefect
Looks like Charles is up. The deletions have begun.
Good Morning Charles.
In times like this AM, I think the comment-text-box needs wallpaper ...
... of Stinky's pipe wrench ... as a reminder.
| 1516 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:59:23am |
re: tradewind
Bwahahahahah...... heads explode while legs tingle? Oh, the cognitive dissonance of the BHO administration.....
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Drudge is reporting ABC is giving up all pretenses of being impartial and hosting the news from the White House for Obama's big thrust of nationalizing health care.
| 1517 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:59:29am |
re: #1509 Nevergiveup
Who got deleted
Oh, I think Charles is just doing a little clean up in the basement.
| 1519 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:00:25am |
re: #1506 Ford_Prefect
Always liked Banheim Steamroller myself.
*groan*
Although in all fairness, I do adore the actual band. Been a fan for many years.
| 1520 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:00:32am |
| 1521 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:00:42am |
re: #1469 yma o hyd
Ahem.
As to the better weapons etc etc etc which the IRGC have, as opposed to the regular army: the debacle of the Iraqi 'Revolutionary Guards' comes to mind.
The Iraqis had to confront the US Army, Airforce and Marines. They had no chance.
It might well be possible that the regular Army, together with the dissidents, wuld be a nut too hard to crack for the IRGC.
Possibly ...
Maybe, I hope it doesn't come to that. But if the people have taken it this far now, they have to see this through. IF the regime does not fall, the payback will be horrible.
| 1522 |
quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:00:42am |
re: #1452 Nevergiveup
Sounds like Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquidick. Copped a plea to leaving the scene of Mary Jo's asphyxiation, and was fined.
I'd guess that he's paying millions to the family in reparations, and that the State Attorney made the deal keeping him out of jail so he can continue to work to pay it off.
| 1523 |
insanity police Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:01:03am |
ACLU: Crackdown on Islamic charities limits freedom
The ACLU released a report today that said the U.S. government’s crackdown on terrorism financing has hampered the religious freedom of American Muslims by making it difficult for them to donate to Islamic charities, some in Michigan.
Boo Hoo.
| 1524 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:01:15am |
Comments that just perpetuate petty squabbles will be deleted. Nobody cares about these pissing matches except the people involved, and they're a huge turn-off to everyone else. If the back-and-forth continues, I'll block accounts.
| 1525 |
acwgusa Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:01:18am |
| 1526 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:01:30am |
re: #1508 Charles
Morning chief. Sorry you had to wake up to that noise.
| 1527 |
opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:01:57am |
re: #1422 realwest
Where was that John McCain during the campaign?!
And, as I've said already, he's right. The U.S. stands for Freedom and Democracy, even if only (and it's more, much more than this) by our example: every 4 or 8 years, a guy leaves the WH and turns over the keys to the POWER to someone else - all done peacefully.
Hi Real. I think that Candidate McCain was too concerned with maintaining his cred with the Dems & the MSM
| 1528 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:01:57am |
re: #1520 albusteve
I have seen a few pics (very few) of protesters with weapons and body armor. Taking over police stations and militia headquarters is probably how they're getting them.
| 1529 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:02:23am |
re: #1522 quickjustice
Sounds like Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquidick. Copped a plea to leaving the scene of Mary Jo's asphyxiation, and was fined.
I'd guess that he's paying millions to the family in reparations, and that the State Attorney made the deal keeping him out of jail so he can continue to work to pay it off.
He just signed a huge contract. He stayed at the scene and immediately copt to what he had done and showed remorse. I guess that helps.
| 1531 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:02:45am |
| 1532 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:02:51am |
re: opnion
Hi Real. I think that Candidate McCain was too concerned with maintaining his cred with the Dems & the MSM
He certainly did seem to be an unpaid campaign worker for Obama at times.
| 1533 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:03:35am |
re: #1514 Killgore Trout
[Link: twitter.com...]
Looks like this has gone beyond just riots in Iran and has moved toward an outright civil war.
| 1534 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:04:00am |
re: #1523 insanity police
ACLU: Crackdown on Islamic charities limits freedom
Boo Hoo.
Note to the Jews in the ACLU - that money going to Islamic "charities" is used to kill your own people. That's why the government is blocking it.
| 1535 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:04:11am |
OT but important for parents:
The National Sex Offender Registry has released this recent photo of a known offender.
| 1537 |
acwgusa Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:04:58am |
| 1538 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:05:03am |
re: #1533 Honorary Yooper
Looks like this has gone beyond just riots in Iran and has moved toward an outright civil war.
It is 'unconfirmed', though ...
| 1539 |
J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:05:06am |
re: #1535 Kenneth
OT but important for parents:
The National Sex Offender Registry has released this recent photo of a known offender.
LOL!
Good one.
| 1540 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:05:16am |
re: Kosh's Shadow
Note to the Jews in the ACLU - that money going to Islamic "charities" is used to kill your own people. That's why the government is blocking it.
They are Jews in name only, just like the number who voted for a man that is trying to eviscerate Israel.
| 1541 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:05:33am |
re: #1524 Charles
Comments that just perpetuate petty squabbles will be deleted. Nobody cares about these pissing matches except the people involved, and they're a huge turn-off to everyone else. If the back-and-forth continues, I'll block accounts.
Thank you
| 1542 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:05:54am |
re: #1533 Honorary Yooper
It's getting pretty close. I'm trying to stick with twitters I've been following the past few days. There are rumors that the Iranian government is starting accounts to spread disinformation. It's really hard to tell what's going on today.
| 1543 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:06:03am |
Well, it has been fun catching up with you all, but I must. Hope to see you all again real soon.
Later lizards!
*Walks off with a towel over his shoulder and his electronic thumb blinking.
| 1544 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:06:16am |
re: #1528 Killgore Trout
I have seen a few pics (very few) of protesters with weapons and body armor. Taking over police stations and militia headquarters is probably how they're getting them.
They would be positively negligent not to do so!
| 1545 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:06:24am |
| 1547 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:07:09am |
re: #1528 Killgore Trout
I have seen a few pics (very few) of protesters with weapons and body armor. Taking over police stations and militia headquarters is probably how they're getting them.
it certainly ups the ante when a guy will fight back with his own stuff...will be interesting to see the military reaction to all this...I cannot believe the people will toss away all they have gained so far
| 1549 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:07:28am |
re: #1533 Honorary Yooper
Looks like this has gone beyond just riots in Iran and has moved toward an outright civil war.
No, it looks like a revolution. The checklist is getting its boxes filled in nicely.
| 1550 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:07:36am |
From Change_For_Iran:
the gov apparently doesn't trust the normal police, they are all unarmed with empty holsters!
| 1551 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:08:04am |
re: #1529 Nevergiveup
He just signed a huge contract. He stayed at the scene and immediately copt to what he had done and showed remorse. I guess that helps.
he was innocent...the dead guy could not be avoided
| 1552 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:08:31am |
re: #1545 FurryOldGuyJeans
How many bodies will it take to confirm this?
I don't think its about bodies - its, as KT says just above, about not falling for rumours which may well ahve been spread by dinenrjacket's security forces, to entice dissenters into traps.
It is difficult to sort things, there are some twitters who are pretty good and strict - but if the security forces are now also trying to get in on these tweets, things will ebcome hairy.
| 1554 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:09:35am |
re: #1550 reine.de.tout
That's an interesting development. What good would it do to send out unarmed police?
| 1555 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:09:46am |
| 1556 |
slokat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:09:49am |
Mousavi was the last Prime Minister in Iran before the constitutional changes which removed the post of prime minister in 1989.Mousavi is well remembered by many Iranians for managing the country during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) and for his very effective steering of the country out of an economic recession.
Mousavi has directly addressed activating foreign policy to boost national interest by reducing tensions with other nations. This includes negotiating with U.S. President Barack Obama if "his actions are in keeping with his words". His other notable assertions were when he called Ahmadinejad's approach to the issue of Holocaust a wrong one. Mousavi condemned the killing of Jews in the Holocaust, a much different stance than Ahmadinejad.
From here:
Biography: Mir-Hossein Mousavi
Other sources that show past was different then his position now:
He was anti Shah, anti-US:
Profile: Mir-Hossein Mousavi, Iran's Radical Turned Reformist
| 1558 |
opnion Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:10:13am |
re: #1532 FurryOldGuyJeans
He certainly did seem to be an unpaid campaign worker for Obama at times.
He almost endorsed him.
| 1559 |
quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:10:26am |
The only hope for the Iranian demonstrators is to flip elements of the army or other military to their side.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:10:32am |
OT/humor:
An amber alert has been announced in the NYC metro area. It has gone MIA once again, and experts are confounded. If you've seen it, please return it ASAP.
| 1561 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:10:52am |
re: #1462 FurryOldGuyJeans
Is the Second Iranian Revolution still ongoing?
Yep. And speaking of Young Frankenstein quotes:
"A riot is an ungly thing... undt, I tink, that it is chust about time ve had vun."
| 1562 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:11:10am |
re: #1556 slokat
He was also responsible for setting Iran on a course for obtaining nuclear weapons.
| 1563 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:11:11am |
re: #1428 Wendya
Indeed, as I stated to J.S. in my #1401 baby steps.
| 1564 |
Lee Coller Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:11:13am |
re: quickjustice
The only hope for the Iranian demonstrators is to flip elements of the army or other military to their side.
Sadly I have to agree with that.
| 1565 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:11:15am |
re: #1552 yma o hyd
I'm seeing a lot of tweets warning people to stay away from certain locations because of heavy fighting. I'm not sure if they're real warnings or an attempt to discourage people from going out.
| 1566 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:11:20am |
Before I really have to tear meself away, here's a new Beeb report:
Supporters of Iran's defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousevi have again staged a mass rally in Tehran, witnesses told the BBC.
At the end, it says:
'Since that rally, the authorities have imposed tough new restrictions on foreign journalists operating in Tehran - the most sweeping restrictions our correspondent in Tehran, Jon Leyne, says he has ever faced.
They must now obtain explicit permission before leaving the office to cover any story.
Journalists have also been banned from attending or reporting on any "unauthorised" demonstration - and it is unclear which if any of the protests are formally authorised.
Press cards have been declared invalid. '
| 1567 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:11:56am |
| 1568 |
Syrah Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:12:04am |
re: #1494 FurryOldGuyJeans
The only good tomato is one cooked to pasta sauce or stuffed and broiled.
Tomatoes are like Beers. Some are best savored fresh by themselves, while most others are only really good for cooking.
| 1569 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:12:35am |
re: #1552 yma o hyd
I don't think its about bodies - its, as KT says just above, about not falling for rumours which may well ahve been spread by dinenrjacket's security forces, to entice dissenters into traps.
It is difficult to sort things, there are some twitters who are pretty good and strict - but if the security forces are now also trying to get in on these tweets, things will ebcome hairy.
The twitterers are warning each other about new user names that are unfamiliar to them.re: #1559 quickjustice
| 1570 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:12:49am |
NIAL: "We have an unconfirmed report about police intimidation. The source tells us that although he did not take part in the protests yesterday, an individual contacted his residence and left him a chilling message. The person on the phone told him that "we know that you took part in the rallies and as a result of your participation, you will be dealt with." The source says that many people are getting this message."An Iranian posting on Twitter had a similar report earlier: "NEWS: Ppl randomly receiving calls w/ automated msg "you've participated in protest" 2 scare ppl"
| 1571 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:13:11am |
re: Syrah
Tomatoes are like Beers. Some are best savored fresh by themselves, while most others are only really good for cooking.
I am as partial to beer as I am to fresh tomatoes, they all must be cooked with.
| 1572 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:13:28am |
re: #1489 BlueCanuck
BBIAB time to make some lunch. Landlord dropped off some perfectly ripe tomatoes that are screaming for toasted sandwiches.
Mmmmmmm! Garden fresh tomatoes? I covet your lunch.
| 1573 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:13:54am |
re: reine.de.tout
The twitterers are warning each other about new user names that are unfamiliar to them.re: #1559 quickjustice
Sounds like the resistance has a few smart people.
| 1575 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:09am |
re: #1565 Killgore Trout
I'm seeing a lot of tweets warning people to stay away from certain locations because of heavy fighting. I'm not sure if they're real warnings or an attempt to discourage people from going out.
The twitters we looked at yesterday were imo pretty clued up as regards to what was confirmed and what was rumour. These are the ones which have also warned people to look out for new names and not trust those with new accounts.
Its best to check if some piece of news comes up in two or more tweets, rather than follow a whole list of people.
| 1576 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:21am |
re: #1554 Killgore Trout
That's an interesting development. What good would it do to send out unarmed police?
I don't know.
Unless they think the police may "flip" from one side to the other? And the gov't is counting on imported thugs for "crowd control"?
| 1577 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:29am |
the iranians could sit down gandhi style and bring the country to a stand still.
| 1578 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:31am |
re: #1570 Killgore Trout
Amusingly enough, leaving that message at the residence of a person who did _not_ protest could actually have the opposite effect - it's clear they don't know who was and was not in attendance (with so many, could they really?). This may embolden those who were/are worried about the police state being able to track them down and punish them. Blanket punishments often backfire when the innocent are taken.
| 1579 |
Macker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:37am |
Charles: Good morning to you and all Lizards! I just noticed that the original Spy has been renamed the "Master Spy." Great choice of words!
| 1580 |
JohnnyReb Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:44am |
re: #1554 Killgore Trout
That's an interesting development. What good would it do to send out unarmed police?
They still have sticks and clubs.
| 1581 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:50am |
A grudging concession to history
...the war for Bush's foreign policy legacy will be particularly protracted and contentious. The historiography will not resolve itself, or even stabilize, until two conditions obtain. First, we need to see what happens in the Arab Middle East. If in a generation or two the clown kings and tinpot dictators have given way to more pluralistic governments, even if not Western or secular in form, then it will be possible and perhaps even intellectually honest to draw a line from the earthquakes of the Bush years, including particularly the frankly revolutionary idea that
[f]or 60 years, the United States pursued stability at the expense of democracy in the Middle East — and we achieved neither. Now, we are taking a different course. We are supporting the democratic aspirations of all people.The second requirement for settling the history of the Bush years will, perhaps, take even longer than revolution in the Middle East: We need today's historians to retire and die, and tomorrow's to grow up. The best histories of American presidencies are written by people who were not alive, or at least not politically aware, as the events in question transpired. That will be especially true for George W. Bush, whose presidency was so contentious. It is likely that the first great history of the years just past will be written by one of today's graduating fifth graders.
| 1582 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:14:53am |
re: #1570 Killgore Trout
Some good ideas here:
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
| 1584 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:15:21am |
re: Macker
Charles: Good morning to you and all Lizards! I just noticed that the original Spy has been renamed the "Master Spy." Great choice of words!
That happened a day or two ago. Time to quit living in the past, dude! ;)
| 1585 |
Kragar Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:15:32am |
Some people dont know when its time to shut the fuck up already
| 1586 |
Macker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:15:58am |
re: FurryOldGuyJeans
Well since I'm el vomito, I think he'll pardon that.
| 1587 |
Baier Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:16:07am |
The idea of press cards is ridiculous. It implies that the press has some sort of standards.
| 1588 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:16:14am |
re: Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Some people dont know when its time to shut the fuck up already
But I'm learning! ;)
| 1589 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:16:17am |
The hiss of a swinging pipe wrench ...
| 1590 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:16:18am |
Thread got slow. Hopefully this here spy wil lbe faster.
| 1591 |
Macker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:16:44am |
re: Baier
What's even ridiculous are the vans cavorting about the West Bank and Gaza marked "TV."
| 1592 |
J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:16:59am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:17:05am |
re: #1554 Killgore Trout
That's an interesting development. What good would it do to send out unarmed police?
It keeps the weapon from falling into the hands of protestors.
| 1594 |
acwgusa Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:17:06am |
re: #1584 FurryOldGuyJeans
That happened a day or two ago. Time to quit living in the past, dude! ;)
I like living in the past! The rates are cheaper!
| 1595 |
realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:17:40am |
re: #1442 J.S.
And you still haven't read my#1401 - baby steps.I never claimed he was a reformer, but IF - and that's a big IF, he is instrumental in overthrowing the Mullahs, that's a baby step on the road to democracy.
| 1596 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:17:44am |
| 1597 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:17:50am |
From StopAhmade:
According 2 Akbar Ganji, Khamenei want to calm down the protesters, till the Friday prayer in Tehran...cont. #gr88
...where he (Khamanei) is supposed to bring pro-Ahmadi's from all over Iran in buses 4 Friday prayer in Theran #gr88
Very obvious that Khamanei wanna gather these supporters (minority in Iran) to show world that they have power #gr88
| 1598 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:17:57am |
re: J.D.
Better late than never!
/jus' kiddin'
As a friend of mine used to say:
Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Time to shoot the dog and get a new one.
| 1599 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:18:22am |
re: #1574 spidly
Charles has already said he's going to be banning lizards if the squabbling keeps up; if you want your long-time LGF account, just swallow your pride; it ain't poison (as Bob Dylan said) and let it go.
| 1600 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:18:22am |
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Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:18:40am |
re: #1562 lawhawk
He was also responsible for setting Iran on a course for obtaining nuclear weapons.
Mousavi was premier then, but that does not mean he was responsible. Then as now, the real power was held by the mullahs. It was unlikely to have been his decision let alone his actions that started the Iranian nuclear program.
| 1603 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:18:43am |
Ooh.
From Iran09
RT: @lotfan: URGENT: @VOA claims 5000 Lebanese Hezbollah Milita h/b brought down to Iran to help control the situation #gr88 #iranelection
| 1604 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:18:45am |
re: #1577 nyc redneck
the iranians could sit down gandhi style and bring the country to a stand still.
Won't work with a Thugocracy with the will to spill blood to maintain power, think Tiananmen Square. Ghandi and MLK dealth with governments who believed essentially in the rule of law and individual rights. They held up a mirror to society and said look!
Ghandi's and MLK's don't survive in Thugocracies.
| 1605 |
mjwsatx Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:19:09am |
re: #1414 Nevergiveup
I think Jimmah is running for Yassir Arafat's old job. He might just win.
| 1606 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:19:53am |
re: #1524 Charles
Comments that just perpetuate petty squabbles will be deleted. Nobody cares about these pissing matches except the people involved, and they're a huge turn-off to everyone else. If the back-and-forth continues, I'll block accounts.
Sorry Charles, I understand. It's kind of like feeding trools. It just gets annoying and you want it would stop.
| 1607 |
Macker Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:19:56am |
re: mjwsatx
I think Jimmah is running for Yassir Arafat's old job. He might just win.
What, President of the PLO?
/ugh
| 1608 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:20:12am |
re: #1572 Silvergirl
Don't know about garden fresh, but they were just ripe. Only thing missing was bacon.
| 1609 |
J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:20:16am |
re: #1596 MandyManners
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
LOL!
Are you copying and pasting? ? ?
| 1610 |
DaddyG Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:20:20am |
re: #1572 Silvergirl
North Georgia garden report: The peas are waning, the beans are waxing and the tomatoes are little and green. After 5 years of drought this looks to be a good summer.
...and IE8 sucks! Why did I agree to update?
| 1611 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:20:43am |
re: BlueCanuck
Don't know about garden fresh, but they were just ripe. Only thing missing was bacon.
No bacon?!? Now that is a crime!
| 1612 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:21:25am |
re: #1599 Kosh's Shadow
(... this old fart can't believe he up-dinged a comment mentioning Dylan)
| 1613 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:21:28am |
re: #1600 Cato the Elder
To be honest, Bush did not place Iran in the Axis of Evil. The Mullahs placed Iran in the Axis of Evil by their actions. Bush merely called a spade a spade.
| 1614 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:21:29am |
re: J.D.
LOL!
Are you copying and pasting? ? ?
I think dear Mandy has started stalking some people. ;)
| 1615 |
ROPMA Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:21:39am |
re: #1604 jcm
If Gandi had been dealing with someone like Hitler he would have died in an oven.
| 1616 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:21:45am |
re: #1606 turn
"to" stop you dummy. sheesh do turn a favor and delete that comment too.
| 1617 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:22:10am |
re: #1603 reine.de.tout
Ooh.
From Iran09
RT: @lotfan: URGENT: @VOA claims 5000 Lebanese Hezbollah Milita h/b brought down to Iran to help control the situation #gr88 #iranelection
Does it count as international intervention if they're there by their hosts' invitation? Could be an important distinction.
The new Lebanese anti-Hezbollah government might consider blocking their re-entry to Lebanon, in any case.
| 1618 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:22:11am |
re: Kenneth
To be honest, Bush did not place Iran in the Axis of Evil. The Mullahs placed Iran in the Axis of Evil by their actions. Bush merely called a spade a spade.
But to the Left anything Bush did was wrong, ergo.......
| 1620 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:22:33am |
Tweets:
Lotfan: CONFIRMEDL: Cellular network has been shut down in Terhan again #iranelection #gr88
StopAhmadi: According 2 Akbar Ganji, Khamenei want to calm down the protesters, till the Friday prayer in Tehran...cont. #gr88
...where he (Khamanei) is supposed to bring pro-Ahmadi's from all over Iran in buses 4 Friday prayer in Theran #gr88
Very obvious that Khamanei wanna gather these supporters (minority in Iran) to show world that they have power #gr88
| 1621 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:22:44am |
re: #1597 reine.de.tout
Ah, I forgot about the factor of the Friday sermons. I wonder what the clerics are going to do. I'd guess they'd support the mullahs but you never really know.
| 1622 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:22:45am |
re: #1615 ROPMA
If Gandi had been dealing with someone like Hitler he would have died in an oven.
Funny you should say that, it was Ghandi's suggestion to the Jews to do just that!
| 1623 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:23:01am |
re: #1618 FurryOldGuyJeans
But to the Left anything Bush did was wrong, ergo.......
I am not the Left. I agreed with Bush.
| 1624 |
jcm Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:23:06am |
re: #1600 Cato the Elder
Point.
By the same token, placing Iran in the Axis of Evil doesn't seem to have had much of an effect. I may be wrong, though.
We don't know yet what effect it had on the people. Sure it pissed off the Mullahs. Reagan pissed of the Sovs, and the liberals, "oh my god you can't insult someone with nuclear weapons." Nattering nabobs of negativism.
Positive words on freedom, self determination and free elections will have a positive effect.
| 1625 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:23:27am |
re: #1616 turn
It takes for ever to see my typing, I'm assuming it's slow for everyone on long threads, right?
| 1626 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:23:47am |
re: turn
It takes for ever to see my typing, I'm assuming it's slow for everyone on long threads, right?
Go into the thread spy, it's much faster.
| 1627 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:24:25am |
'Khamanei wants to make another coup to "gain power" & weaken ppl to show they have supporters #gr88 #iranelection'
From stop amadi
| 1628 |
J.S. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:24:31am |
re: #1621 Killgore Trout
CNN has been reporting (that is, until today) that clerics are among the protesters...
| 1630 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:24:49am |
re: turn
It takes for ever to see my typing, I'm assuming it's slow for everyone on long threads, right?
It happens to me on occasions when I have certain other websites open, such as yahoo! news. Seems the scripts here than there fight for control and so make typing lag big time.
| 1631 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:24:59am |
re: #1559 quickjustice
The only hope for the Iranian demonstrators is to flip elements of the army or other military to their side.
Not the only hope, but the best one, yes.
| 1632 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:25:08am |
re: #1628 J.S.
CNN has been reporting (that is, until today) that clerics are among the protesters...
Interesting.
| 1633 |
spidly Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:25:21am |
re: #1601 taxfreekiller
i hope not.... I am an active member of "tea party" groups. if that nutsack is the impetus of any of them.......
| 1635 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:25:33am |
re: #1606 turn
Sorry Charles, I understand. It's kind of like feeding trools. It just gets annoying and you want it would stop.
I like your spelling, turn. It's brings to mind a drooling troll.
| 1636 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:25:45am |
re: Cato the Elder
I am not the Left. I agreed with Bush.
I wasn't to you, or even about you.
And that is all I am saying on the subject.
| 1637 |
KenJen Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:26:03am |
re: #1603 reine.de.tout
Ooh.
From Iran09
RT: @lotfan: URGENT: @VOA claims 5000 Lebanese Hezbollah Milita h/b brought down to Iran to help control the situation #gr88 #iranelection
Not good if true.
| 1638 |
Kenneth Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:26:05am |
re: #1623 Cato the Elder
The people who criticized Bush's Axis of Evil phrase have implicitly or explicitly declared that if he hadn't said that, Iran & North Korea would have behaved in a civilized manner and never would have built nuclear weapons. That's a heck of a logical stretch, if you ask me.
| 1639 |
DaddyG Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:26:06am |
re: #1625 turn I am having extrreme issues. I assumed it was because I finally said yes to the IE8 update this morning.
| 1640 |
quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:26:24am |
re: #1617 Cato the Elder
Hezbollah are veterans of the wars with Israel, trained and financed by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Their specialty is targeting civilians, both in Israel and in Lebanon. Iranian military and Iranian law enforcement may have scruples about targeting Iranian kids for violence. Hezbollah will not.
| 1641 |
J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:26:31am |
| 1643 |
slokat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:26:43am |
re: #1562 lawhawk
He was also responsible for setting Iran on a course for obtaining nuclear weapons.
re: #1602 Kenneth
Mousavi was premier then, but that does not mean he was responsible. Then as now, the real power was held by the mullahs. It was unlikely to have been his decision let alone his actions that started the Iranian nuclear program.
Most quotes from him on this issue differentiate between nuclear power and nuclear weapons. Could be a ruse? Might be he has a different concept?
| 1644 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:27:55am |
re: Silvergirl
ha, messed that up big time. Second comment I had a comment deleted here at LGF, only wish it could have been that one. I haven't been using spell check because the typing was too slow but here in the spy it's way faster.
| 1645 |
J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:27:58am |
| 1646 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:28:08am |
i just heard a clip on the radio: o using the word 'meddle'
he said, it is not right for the president to meddle in the affairs of other countries.
what a weak pathetic statement.
meddle.
old ladies meddle.
| 1647 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:28:26am |
Is this really faster than on the origial thread?
| 1649 |
J.D. Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:28:46am |
Who is it that keeps being deleted?
Jeebus. Can't you take a hint?
| 1650 |
Dianna Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:28:53am |
re: #1617 Cato the Elder
Does it count as international intervention if they're there by their hosts' invitation? Could be an important distinction.
The new Lebanese anti-Hezbollah government might consider blocking their re-entry to Lebanon, in any case.
Everyone should remember that "the foreigners are coming!" is a hell of a good wheeze for either side in this.
If it's the regime spreading the rumor (the wheeze), they're indicating that they feel they can crack down brutally without consequences.
If it's the protesters, they're saying, "It's time to fight back, because the regime is bringing in the storm troopers who will slaughter us!"
This is a very interesting rumor, but it's one that works for either side.
| 1653 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:29:08am |
Ahmadinejad Predicts Vote Rigging in Presidential Election
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
| 1654 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:29:16am |
re: #1622 Nevergiveup
Funny you should say that, it was Ghandi's suggestion to the Jews to do just that!
There is a famous correspondence between the great Jewish sage Martin Buber and Gandhi (!) on just that subject. Buber told Gandhi that he was used to dealing with Brits, who were capable of massacres, but not genocide. He said that he doubted even Gandhi's followers would (not to mention should) lie down passively in the face of the universale Dampfwalze* that was Hitler's death machine.
*universal steamroller
| 1655 |
elBarto Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:29:19am |
What happens if Iran devolves into a full on civil war?
Aside from oil prices getting out of control.
| 1656 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:29:41am |
re: #1621 Killgore Trout
Ah, I forgot about the factor of the Friday sermons. I wonder what the clerics are going to do. I'd guess they'd support the mullahs but you never really know.
Two of the Grand Ayatollahs have expressed strong dissent.
Khameini doesn't have a united clerical base.
| 1658 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:31:15am |
re: #1656 pre-Boomer Marine brat
The protesters seem mostly young and probably not terribly devout. I think the clerics will help with the older population but I'm not sure if clerical support will fire up the protesters.
| 1659 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:31:28am |
Two of the Grand Ayatollahs have expressed strong dissent.
Khameini doesn't have a united clerical base.
THAT may be the real tipping point, dissension amongst the "holy" men.
| 1661 |
quickjustice Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:31:40am |
re: #1654 Cato the Elder
Gandhi knew the British well. He was a British barrister in early life, and volunteered for the British Army, where he received the Victoria Cross for valor in action.
| 1662 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:31:44am |
re: #1656 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Two of the Grand Ayatollahs have expressed strong dissent.
Khameini doesn't have a united clerical base.
Its especially interesting that Ayatollah Montazeri came out for the dissenters - he has been kept totally out of the limelight, I think he was even, at some time, 'banned' to Qum, by Rafsandjani. They couldn't do anything against him as he was and still is the most revered spiritual scholar of the whole lot of Ayatollahs.
| 1663 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:31:47am |
re: #1638 Kenneth
The people who criticized Bush's Axis of Evil phrase have implicitly or explicitly declared that if he hadn't said that, Iran & North Korea would have behaved in a civilized manner and never would have built nuclear weapons. That's a heck of a logical stretch, if you ask me.
I couldn't agree more.
| 1665 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:32:28am |
Tweet tweet:
StopAhmadi: News: "Police has arrested some Basijis who wanted to attack ppl in front of IRIB HQ" #iranelection #gr88
Doctors & nurses protesting in a major hospital in Tehran (youtube) [Link: bit.ly...]
lotfan: Protest Slogans: Cannons, Tanks and Basij have are not effective anymore #gr88 #iranelection
Demonstrations are planned in front of Russiaan consulate in Toronto to protest Ahmadinejad's recent trip #iranelection #gr88
| 1666 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:32:45am |
re: FurryOldGuyJeans
thanks furry, yes I'm sure most people understand even my garbled posts but it does get a bit embarrassing when you screw up a post to Charles of all people. ha
| 1667 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:33:22am |
re: #1661 quickjustice
Gandhi knew the British well. He was a British barrister in early life, and volunteered for the British Army, where he received the Victoria Cross for valor in action.
And he had no fappin' clue about the Nazis!
| 1668 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:33:29am |
re: #1637 KenJen
Not good if true.
Then again, there's an upside.
If true, and if put out widely, it will inflame the protesters further.
/and might bring in others who are on the sidelines.
| 1669 |
turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:33:38am |
re: rightside
I can see the appeal of this spy thing, no wonder I was always so far behind in threads.
| 1670 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:33:47am |
re: #1644 turn
ha, messed that up big time. Second comment I had a comment deleted here at LGF, only wish it could have been that one. I haven't been using spell check because the typing was too slow but here in the spy it's way faster.
Sometimes a mess-up is fortuitous.
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rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:34:36am |
re: turn
The way they slide down, gives me whiplash!
Charles, can you slow the speed with which the comments slide down?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:34:40am |
re: turn
thanks furry, yes I'm sure most people understand even my garbled posts but it does get a bit embarrassing when you screw up a post to Charles of all people. ha
Just relax and go with the flow. Correct only if what you originally said really is not what you meant, or people start questioning.
You aren't writing a term paper for your Doctorate. ;)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:35:13am |
re: rightside
The way they slide down, gives me whiplash!
Charles, can you slow the speed with which the comments slide down?
The best way to slow down the comments is to go to the regular thread and abandon the thread spy feature.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:35:16am |
re: #1658 Killgore Trout
The protesters seem mostly young and probably not terribly devout. I think the clerics will help with the older population but I'm not sure if clerical support will fire up the protesters.
I agree. Its effect will be to undermine the Theocracy itself.
/cancer, as a metaphor
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:35:38am |
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turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:36:24am |
re: rightside
I know, it will take getting used too. Now I understand the discussion yesterday about giving spy posts numbers.
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turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:37:11am |
re: FurryOldGuyJeans
ok, thanks again. I like this spy thing.
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DaddyG Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:37:24am |
Thanks for the advice. On to the new thread...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:37:45am |
re: turn
I know, it will take getting used too. Now I understand the discussion yesterday about giving spy posts numbers.
The only thing I really, really miss is the ability to ding up or down easily comments. But I think it is worth losing that to get the interactivity the thread spy widget provides.
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:38:19am |
re: #1638 Kenneth
"That's a heck of a logical stretch, if you ask me."
I don't see any "logic" in it at all. Good comment Kenneth.
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turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:38:52am |
re: rightside
If you click on someones comment it works just like the numbered posts did so no big deal.
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filetandrelease Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:39:03am |
re: #1549 Dianna
Check list going nicely? RL busy, can't keep up as much as I would like. Any signs that the revolutionaries have taken key buildings such as comunications?
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rightside Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:39:09am |
Hmm... wondering if there's an acronym to be made from moving to the new thread. Like MTTNT?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:39:48am |
re: rightside
Hmm... wondering if there's an acronym to be made from moving to the new thread. Like MTTNT?
SUT? (Swimming up thread)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:40:06am |
re: #1665 BlueCanuck
Police has arrested some Basijis who wanted to attack ppl in front of IRIB HQ
*grins, rolls eyes*
What a hoot if it's true!
WOW!
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turn Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:40:53am |
re: FurryOldGuyJeans
Oh I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out, I see that there is no notice here that a new thread is up, that would be a nice feature too.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:41:26am |
Moving over to the new thread ------ >
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realwest Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:44:18am |
Well y'all I have to leave now - but I have a suggestion for the new spy feature - when you post a reply, how about typing in the commenter's number that you are replying to!
Have a great day you all and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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