I myself spent nine years in an insane asylum and I never had the obsession of suicide, but I know that each conversation with a psychiatrist, every morning at the time of his visit, made me want to hang myself, realizing that I would not be able to cut his throat.
— Antonin Artaud
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:20:44pm |
Don't park in front of a fire hydrant.
/priceless
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:21:06pm |
My father always taught me that when they ask if you're thinking of harming yourself or others, always to say "Others".
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:23:24pm |
"Wait a minute! That's insane! They're total liars. I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he could read Sanskrit, and when Hank said he wanted a piece of him, I was like 'Fine. Whatever.', but Mecha-Shiva? No way! They are so lying, I'm innocent!"
The Monarch- The Venture Brothers
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Neutral President Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:35pm |
Here is my current "worst thing I ever heard" story about how fucked up California is. Anecdotal personal experience, but I think it speaks volumes.
I have a friend who is disabled. He has been from birth. He can "work" but it's not easy for him. That said he's worked his ass off since high school and never asked for 1 dime of help from the state.
Last year he was laid off from his job, and he's been unemployed ever since. CA has like 11-12% unemployment right now so this is not unheard of, especially for someone without a college degree who has worked in tourism service industries for over decades. Tourism is not exactly a hot sector at the moment.
After while he went to the state to get some help. I'm sure it really annoyed him to do it. He's never wanted to get "welfare" of any kind (despite him being your average CA lefty on every other issue). So he went to some workshop for the disabled who have trouble landing or holding down a job. There were several dozen people in this workshop, and it was painfully obvious that my friend was the only actual disabled person there. Yet these state workers humored all these people, gave them all the paper work to fill out. It wont surprise me if many of these people either end up getting a welfare check, or getting special job placement. My friend was extremely pissed by this whole experience. Still he has got neither a job, or any help. The only person I know who is not ex-military who I think actually deserves "a check in the mail from the government" and he can't get it.
Makes me want to spit nails.
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JCM Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:50pm |
re: #1 Killian Bundy
Don't park in front of a fire hydrant.
/priceless
I've done that. They the car got impounded and the owner got a big ticket!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:06pm |
Repost from last thread:
re: #981 jcm
It's illegal for public employees to strike in WA. But every year the some districts teachers strike. No school board yet has had the ball to break 'em for an illegal strike.
They don't want to risk the media backlash. The employer who cracks down on an illegal strike will be portrayed as a ruthless oppressor. The only California politico I've ever heard of willing to accept that kind of media coverage was Ronald Reagan. Sadly, men as great as he are very rare and not every generation has one.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:56pm |
I'm just barely seeing out of my eyeballs.
Gotta go rest them.
Good night, Lizards.
Play safe & kindly.
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JCM Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:28:03pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
Repost from last thread:
They don't want to risk the media backlash. The employer who cracks down on an illegal strike will be portrayed as a ruthless oppressor. The only California politico I've ever heard of willing to accept that kind of media coverage was Ronald Reagan. Sadly, men as great as he are very rare and not every generation has one.
WEA spends big bucks buying tame school boards too.
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blackpajamas Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:29:31pm |
The Love Thong of Barney Frank's Tax Payer
(T.S. Eliot, keep your eyes closed)
WHY them pay them, you and I,
With nude wallets spread out against the sky
Likely patients etherised upon their table;
Where laws pass, with totally unready pages,
The unuttered deceit
Of restless nights in one-night hospitals
And rusty surgeons tools with rancid smells:
Cures that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To bleed you with overwhelm'd obsession
Do not ask, “Who pays for it?”
Let them try to make us visit.
In the chamber Baboons come and go
Molesting your children for their dough.
Their yellow courage rubs its back upon your taxed remains,
Their yellow belly rubs its odor on your taxed remains
Sticks its tongue from their orifice of bamboozling,
Licks your savings flowing down golden drains,
Best not forget their quick cheap words squirting from lobbies,
Forced last minute injections to keep,
And seeing that it was a soft Friday night,
Crammed it down the House, and sheared the sheep.
And indeed there will be time
For the yellow slime that slides along K-street,
Scratching its back upon your broke remains;
There will be time, there will be time
For balance by fate, to meet the faces whom they cheat;
There will be time to confess and prostrate,
And jail time for the works and days of hands
That lift and scoop dollars from your plate;
Time for them and time for free,
And time yet for a hundred incisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions,
Before more making of bad laws with glee.
In the chamber Baboons come and go
Molesting your children for their dough.
And indeed there will be time
To wonder, “Do we dare?” and, “Do we dare?”
Time to turn back from deadly health care,
With a bald lie in the middle of their claims-
[They will say: “How we eat our lunch for free!”]
Their childish gloat, their hubris strapped firmly to the chin,
Their self-lie rich immodest, but asserted by a simple sin—
[They will say: “Just tax the rich and we'll be free!”]
Do we dare
Insure the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions each more costly to reverse.
For we have known them all already, known them all:—
Have known the taxing, spending, liar's tunes,
Why have our lives measured out by dumb Baboons?
We know the voices crying with a dying fall
Beneath the scalpels from a farther room.
So how should they presume?
And we have known the lies already, known them all-
The lies that kill in a drug formulated daze,
And when you are well drugged, sprawled on their needle,
When you are pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Who will cure their evil
That grinds up all the time of your children's healthy days?
And how should they presume?
(hopefully, not to be continued ...)
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:30:29pm |
Malaysia foils 'pickled cucumber' smuggling bid (AFP)
One hesitates to ask...
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:31:32pm |
re: #10 JCM
WEA spends big bucks buying tame school boards too.
There's an answer for that, though it has its own risks: You need a small cadre of well-informed people who can keep watch for such plots and are plugged into the community well enough to gather the funds and votes to fight back.
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JCM Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:41:09pm |
re: #15 Dark_Falcon
There's an answer for that, though it has its own risks: You need a small cadre of well-informed people who can keep watch for such plots and are plugged into the community well enough to gather the funds and votes to fight back.
WEA got there asses handed to them 5 years back. $5 million for failure to disclose campaign activity. Cost of doing business to them.
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:43:12pm |
Obama now wants Senate to act instantly on the insane climate bill. I think we must confront the possibility that Obama knows that Global Warming is a hoax and simply does not care.
Which leaves us with the proposition that our President is not only a liar, but craven.
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JCM Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:43:26pm |
Goodnight Honcos!
James Madison on the Cap and Trade Bill.
“It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.”
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Neutral President Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:43:30pm |
re: #16 JCM
WEA got there asses handed to them 5 years back. $5 million for failure to disclose campaign activity. Cost of doing business to them.
The CTA would laugh at 5 million. The union bosses probably could have handed that to a judge right out of their pockets.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:45:02pm |
Thought it was quiet on the last thread...
Might as well play a long song for the final song on the thread of tonigh:
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JCM Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:45:40pm |
re: #17 pat
Obama now wants Senate to act instantly on the insane climate bill. I think we must confront the possibility that Obama knows that Global Warming is a hoax and simply does not care.
Which leaves us with the proposition that our President is not only a liar, but craven.
One last before going....
Study Alinsky, and the Columbia professors while Obama attended Columbia, Cloward and Piven.
Between the 3 you have Obama's methodology. The "crisis" methodology is pure Cloward Piven.
Night all.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:46:13pm |
Michael Jackson never looked so good.
(possibly NSFW)
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:46:28pm |
re: #17 pat
Obama now wants Senate to act instantly on the insane climate bill. I think we must confront the possibility that Obama knows that Global Warming is a hoax and simply does not care.
Which leaves us with the proposition that our President is not only a liar, but craven.
You've just now realized this?
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:46:29pm |
Barney Frankfurter is a pervert. In every way imaginable. When I see him on TV, not only his sexual perversions and whore house that give pause, but also his strange, creepy, delusional outlook on reality. He has lost his mind.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:45pm |
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:48:47pm |
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:49:10pm |
re: #23 MandyManners
Well yes. I simply assumed he was an ignorant fool. I have seen little evidence otherwise. I have searched in vain for papers or speeches before 2000 that indicate he even has a brain.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:50:36pm |
re: #22 freetoken
Michael Jackson never looked so good.
(possibly NSFW)
Definitely NSFW. Nice breasts, though (I'm a guy, I can't help but notice).
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:50:52pm |
re: #27 pat
Well yes. I simply assumed he was an ignorant fool. I have seen little evidence otherwise. I have searched in vain for papers or speeches before 2000 that indicate he even has a brain.
FCBBHO knows *exactly* what he's doing.
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:52:49pm |
I HAVE to go to bed!
Final link - poor Danny is sooooo left out - no nail polish to compare! Hehehehehehe.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:53:04pm |
re: #17 pat
Obama now wants Senate to act instantly on the insane climate bill. I think we must confront the possibility that Obama knows that Global Warming is a hoax and simply does not care.
Which leaves us with the proposition that our President is not only a liar, but craven.
He wants that but it won't happen. As things stand he does have the votes and gaining them will take time. Senators are ultimately more vulnerable than most congressmen and thus will either need lots of favors or lots of pressure to vote for this turkey. My bet is that the bill gets gutted in the Senate and the final version in watered-down enough to be only mildly damaging, rather than a economy killer.
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poteen Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:53:10pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
Definitely NSFW. Nice breasts, though (I'm a guy, I can't help but notice).
Careful.... Mandy rebuilt her John Deere whacker this morning.
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:55:04pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
Definitely NSFW. Nice breasts, though (I'm a guy, I can't help but notice).
You really don't need to apologize for liking breasts! Right? I've linked to historical penis art! It's ok - really!
OK - really going to bed now.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:55:57pm |
Misheard lyrics of a good song:
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Neutral President Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:56:01pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
My bet is that the bill gets gutted in the Senate and the final version in watered-down enough to be only mildly damaging, rather than a economy killer.
Or gets outright killed. Which is what I'm hoping so it will put some of these clowns in the House and in the White House in their place. They don't have the unlimited mandate and political capital that they think they do.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:56:23pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
He wants that but it won't happen. As things stand he does have the votes and gaining them will take time. Senators are ultimately more vulnerable than most congressmen and thus will either need lots of favors or lots of pressure to vote for this turkey. My bet is that the bill gets gutted in the Senate and the final version in watered-down enough to be only mildly damaging, rather than a economy killer.
Frankly, the same is likely to happen with any proposed health care legislation, in my opinion.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:56:31pm |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:57:56pm |
re: #37 iceweasel
I'd sleep alot better if I knew that for sure.
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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:57:58pm |
re: #1 Killian Bundy
That is priceless! I have a fire fighter cousin I just sent that to, he loves that kind of sh!t.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:57:59pm |
re: #33 poteen
Careful.... Mandy rebuilt her John Deere whacker this morning.
I'm not afraid of Mandy's response. I said nothing crude, and hardly lewd at all. Mandy (wise woman that she is) will save her whacks for someone who really deserves them.
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Neutral President Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:58:39pm |
re: #37 iceweasel
Frankly, the same is likely to happen with any proposed health care legislation, in my opinion.
I'm betting, IMO, (and hoping) that health care reform goes several rounds of nowhere before a feel good, do nothing measure gets passed. I can't expect something that actually helps to come out of the current den of vipers in DC, so hopefully what does come out wont make things worse.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:00:08am |
re: #39 Fenway_Nation
True...we don't know for sure. It looks likely, though, I think, from what I've been reading. There's too much resistance to it, from insurance companies and Republicans and even many Democrats.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:00:17am |
Today in History, June 28th:
Highlights of this day in history: An assassination in Europe sparks World War I; Elian Gonzalez and his father leave for Cuba; Boxer Mike Tyson disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's ear; Richard Rodgers and Mel Brooks born.
Other notable June 28th events include:
1894 – Labor Day becomes an official US holiday.
1902 – The U.S. Congress passes the Spooner Act, authorizing President Theodore Roosevelt to acquire rights from Colombia for the Panama Canal.
1950 – Seoul is captured by troops from North Korea.
1969 – Stonewall riots begin in New York City.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:00:18am |
re: #37 iceweasel
Frankly, the same is likely to happen with any proposed health care legislation, in my opinion.
I certainly hope so. Unless Obama is actually willing to negotiate and compromise on the legislation, it should get killed. Better no new law than a bad one.
BTW: Compromise does not mean an agreement to hand out pork, even though DC often uses the word to mean that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:00:57am |
re: #42 ArchangelMichael
I'm betting, IMO, (and hoping) that health care reform goes several rounds of nowhere before a feel good, do nothing measure gets passed. I can't expect something that actually helps to come out of the current den of vipers in DC, so hopefully what does come out wont make things worse.
Yes, that's essentially what I think also. If I had to place a bet, that would be it.
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Macker Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:01:07am |
re: #41 Dark_Falcon
I'm not afraid of Mandy's response. I said nothing crude, and hardly lewd at all. Mandy (wise woman that she is) will save her whacks for someone who really deserves them.
Like FCBBHO....
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:01:55am |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
BTW: Compromise does not mean an agreement to hand out pork, even though DC often uses the word to mean that.
Usually "compromise" is defined the same way as "bipartisan" is in DC.
Democrats get their way and Republicans agree or shut up.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:02:09am |
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Steffan Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:03:06am |
re: #5 ArchangelMichael
Here is my current "worst thing I ever heard" story about how fucked up California is. Anecdotal personal experience, but I think it speaks volumes.
I have a friend who is disabled. He has been from birth. He can "work" but it's not easy for him. That said he's worked his ass off since high school and never asked for 1 dime of help from the state.
Last year he was laid off from his job, and he's been unemployed ever since. CA has like 11-12% unemployment right now so this is not unheard of, especially for someone without a college degree who has worked in tourism service industries for over decades. Tourism is not exactly a hot sector at the moment.
After while he went to the state to get some help. I'm sure it really annoyed him to do it. He's never wanted to get "welfare" of any kind (despite him being your average CA lefty on every other issue). So he went to some workshop for the disabled who have trouble landing or holding down a job. There were several dozen people in this workshop, and it was painfully obvious that my friend was the only actual disabled person there. Yet these state workers humored all these people, gave them all the paper work to fill out. It wont surprise me if many of these people either end up getting a welfare check, or getting special job placement. My friend was extremely pissed by this whole experience. Still he has got neither a job, or any help. The only person I know who is not ex-military who I think actually deserves "a check in the mail from the government" and he can't get it.
Makes me want to spit nails.
Does your friend have Internet access?
If he does, point him here:
Social Security Disability Insurance Benefits. He can also go to his local SSA office and apply.
If he's worked 20 of the last 40 quarters and is truly disabled (they'll check his medical records), he should have no problems.
Tell him it isn't welfare. It's the insurance that everyone pays for with their taxes (the FICA tax withholding on your pay stub).
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:03:48am |
BTW, if I were a paranoid, schizophrenic conspiracy theorist, I'd say that this cap and trade legislation was almost exclusively designed to fuck over the fossil-fuel producing red states.
Except some coal-producing states are unambiguously blue (Penn; W. Virginia) and California is on top of some oil reserves, although it seems like alot of it is in a 'red' part of a mighty blue state.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:04:51am |
re: #44 gmsc
Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated on this date?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:05:04am |
re: #51 ArchangelMichael
Usually "compromise" is defined the same way as "bipartisan" is in DC.
Democrats get their way and Republicans agree or shut up.
These bills are big enough that usual may not apply. Bills like health care still fall under the dictum Daniel Patrick Moynihan pronouced to Hillary: "Bills like this either pass 70-30 or they don't pass at all". I'm predicting that Obama's health care bill meets the latter fate.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:06:00am |
re: #51 ArchangelMichael
Usually "compromise" is defined the same way as "bipartisan" is in DC.
Democrats get their way and Republicans agree or shut up.
Well....lefties would say the same thing, with the parties reversed. Only it would be more like, "Republicans get their way, and Democrats first put up a show of disagreeing and then roll over, like they were going to do all along."
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:06:28am |
re: #53 Steffan
I'll ask him about it and see if he has tried that route. I think hes gotten the run around from the Feds as well as the state since he's been unemployed though.
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:09:12am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Well....lefties would say the same thing, with the parties reversed. Only it would be more like, "Republicans get their way, and Democrats first put up a show of disagreeing and then roll over, like they were going to do all along."
But republicans don't claim something to be "bipartisan" when, for example, something passes the senate 62-38 and of that 62, 59-60 of them are democrats.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:09:53am |
re: #56 BatGuano
Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated on this date?
Yep . . . Oh, and generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
;)
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:10:21am |
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:10:35am |
re: #64 gmsc
Yep . . . Oh, and generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
;)
So is Bela Lugosi. ;->
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:10:49am |
re: #64 gmsc
Yep . . . Oh, and generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
;)
Chevy Chase smirk. :)
| 69 |
SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:11:04am |
re: #66 Fenway_Nation
What's the latest on Micheal Jackson?
Didn't he play for Georgetown in the mid-80's?
| 70 |
BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:11:24am |
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:11:25am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:11:39am |
re: #61 ArchangelMichael
But republicans don't claim something to be "bipartisan" when, for example, something passes the senate 62-38 and of that 62, 59-60 of them are democrats.
True, right now so long as a couple of repubs will sign on, it's hailed as 'bipartisan'.
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:11:58am |
re: #66 Fenway_Nation
What's the latest on Micheal Jackson?
Pretty sure he still at room temperature. The shit in the Thriller video has not come to be so far.
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Steffan Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:12:05am |
re: #42 ArchangelMichael
I'm betting, IMO, (and hoping) that health care reform goes several rounds of nowhere before a feel good, do nothing measure gets passed. I can't expect something that actually helps to come out of the current den of vipers in DC, so hopefully what does come out wont make things worse.
I wouldn't be too sure. The House, including my very own congresscritter (I think I'll vote against her next time), voted for it without even reading it -- and it was a frickin' draft version! They still had the final editing to do to incorporate those last-minute 300 pages.
I think they might have broken more than a few of their own rules. I don't expect Pelosi to give a rat's ass, though -- the "most ethical Congress ever" has turned out to be the most corrupt congress since the Crédit Mobilier scandal.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:12:40am |
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:13:22am |
re: #72 iceweasel
True, right now so long as a couple of repubs will sign on, it's hailed as 'bipartisan'.
Exactly but, despite what Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi think, that not bipartisan. Bipartisan is when something passes like 80-20 and a good chunk of both parties sign on.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:13:23am |
re: #76 freetoken
I see....so his death will be avenged through cap and trade?
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:13:35am |
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pat Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:14:52am |
Social Security disability payments are a curse. The money is too small for independent living, and you cannot work because of the earning limitations. Nor can you have assets. It is better to die trying to work than accept the piddling $800 a month or so you might get. It is surely meaningless in Ca.
| 81 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:14:55am |
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Steffan Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:15:26am |
re: #59 ArchangelMichael
If he thought that he was well enough to work, he might not have thought of it. Can't hurt to check into it.
There are a lot of people applying for early retirement benefits because they've been laid off.
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:15:49am |
re: #80 pat
Social Security disability payments are a curse. The money is too small for independent living, and you cannot work because of the earning limitations. Nor can you have assets. It is better to die trying to work than accept the piddling $800 a month or so you might get. It is surely meaningless in Ca.
That might be the "run around" he was speaking of. I'll ask him though.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:15:52am |
re: #78 Fenway_Nation
Downstairs somewhere I put up a link to a claim by Chopra that MJ was working on an environmental-topic song, before he died.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:16:22am |
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:18:13am |
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Salamantis Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:18:14am |
I myself spent nine years in an insane asylum and I never had the obsession of suicide, but I know that each conversation with a psychiatrist, every morning at the time of his visit, made me want to hang myself, realizing that I would not be able to cut his throat.— Antonin Artaud
Tom Cruise, is that you?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:21:33am |
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:21:49am |
re: #66 Fenway_Nation
What's the latest on Micheal Jackson?
He's still dead, too.
/Hey, I check whenever I think about it
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:21:55am |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
These bills are big enough that usual may not apply. Bills like health care still fall under the dictum Daniel Patrick Moynihan pronouced to Hillary: "Bills like this either pass 70-30 or they don't pass at all". I'm predicting that Obama's health care bill meets the latter fate.
DPM was a true patriot.
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Steffan Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:24:01am |
re: #83 ArchangelMichael
If he didn't work enough in the recent past for an employer who paid into the system, then what Pat says is true. They don't count the car you drive or the house you live in. Otherwise, you're limited to $2000 in resources, which includes your pocket change.
In CA the current SSI amount (and resulting income limit) is $850, because the state, which is broke, pays a supplement to SSI instead of giving people food stamps. It was $907 the first of this year, but Ahnuld and the Sacramento mob are "trying to save money."
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:28:16am |
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:29:28am |
Hmm....sure is quiet around here.
It's not that I have nothing to talk about. More like I'm so pissed off about a number of things that I have no idea where to start (or resume)....
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:31:57am |
re: #94 Fenway_Nation
Hmm....sure is quiet around here.
It's not that I have nothing to talk about. More like I'm so pissed off about a number of things that I have no idea where to start (or resume)....
How about cap and trade and the coming dick 'tatorship of Obama?
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:34:03am |
re: #95 BatGuano
The deification of Michael Jackson? Governor Sanford is a fecal remnant?
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:38:51am |
re: #95 BatGuano
How about cap and trade and the coming dick 'tatorship of Obama?
Ranted on in-depth on a number of threads yesterday.
The deification of Michael Jackson?
The definition of 'Stuck on Stupid'...I'm not sure who's stupider, the MSM purveyors of this faux sainthood for a mincing pedophile or the public for lapping it up.
Governor Sanford is a fecal remnant?
Yes, although Gov. Count-The-Mistakes Sanford's tryst has thankfully given me a completely gratuitous opportunity to brag about the numerous one hot Argentine girl I hooked up with.....
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:42:54am |
re: #90 SFGoth
Best quote yet is that a 7 vote majority for Cap and F-us in the A in the House stands no chance in the Senate. Me hopes. However, hope is not a strategy.
A wise man (Tommyboy) said you can hope in one had and take a crap in the other, tell me which one gets filled first.
Of course the big one is the 'public option' for health care. If we loose that one, we are all "wards of the state" from cradle to grave. Liberty be damned. That is the big one, cap and f-us in the anus can be repealed aka the Australians.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:43:04am |
re: #97 Fenway_Nation
Bobby burns came to mind after Sanford's admission:
My Son, these maxims make a rule,
An' lump them aye thegither;
The Rigid Righteous is a fool,
The Rigid Wise anither:
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:44:41am |
And if that isn't enough, 0bama sees it fit not to 'meddle' when Iranians take to the street to protest against a sham election staged by the theocracy, but demands Israel start making one-sided concessions to the Paleo-stinians....
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:46:47am |
No more silence!
How about the continued conversion of the "right" part of the web into the far right?
Last night I mentioned that, to me, Townhall is looking more and more like VDARE (and it has been essentially the FreeRepublic crowd anyway.)
Continuing... one of the online "papers" that on occasion has been linked here is the "Canada Free Press", which for the most part just gathers and reprints "conservative" blurbs. It is now veering into, even surpassing, Pat Buchanan-like racial identity movement stuff.
Example: the latest piece by a Dr. Paul Williams, Obama’s Census to castrate American Calcasians [sic]:
[...]
Its purpose is the legislative transformation of the United States of America into a land where conservatives, Christians, and Calcasians will become political castrados.
[...]
It asks your income, your educational level, and the time you leave your home in the morning.
But infinitely more telling is what the new census form doesn’t ask.
It doesn’t ask if you are a citizen of the U.S.A., if you are an immigrant, or if you are a Muslim.
Naturally, the questions are in English and Spanish, lest anyone think that America is an Anglo nation. [...]
To assist in the hiring of census takers, the Obama Administration has opted to partner with the following special interest groups (not one of which represents the despised race of whites who settled this country) [... insert list of alleged census contracted groups]
Not one of the groups represents the despised race of white Europeans who settled this country and gave their sweat and blood to make it the most prosperous nation on earth. [...]
And his census will make sure that the time of the Judeo-Christian standards and culture in the land of the free and the home of the brave will come to an end. [...]
Hopefully Dr. Williams' own blog site ( [Link: thelastcrusade.org...] ) and the Canada Free Press will make it onto Stinky's list of bad sites.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:47:30am |
re: #100 Fenway_Nation
This is not lost on the Israelis. They will protect themselves as much as possible.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:47:57am |
So I guess I'm a Republican by default, since 0bama said they have 'no solutions'.....
In all honesty, I don't think even the most cynical among us thought that 0bama would screw the pooch this massively in less than 6 months.
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:49:45am |
How about a funny - true - story:
After hubby went to work, and kids to school, the woman of the home went to the basement to start a load of laundry. She decided to throw her nightgown into the washer, which left her wearing nothing but large rollers in her hair. As she turned to go upstairs, her eye caught sight of some thing she'd been hunting for for ages - perched on the top plate above the studs. She put on her son's football helmet to protect her rolled-up hair from cobwebs, and climed up onto some boxes to retrieve the item. As she was perched up there, down the stairs came the meter man. He calmly read the meter, and as he started back up the stairs, called out to her: " Good day, m'am - I hope your team wins!"
Told by Harry Reasoner on the CBS(?) evening news out of New York - probably forty years ago.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:56:35am |
re: #105 eddiespaghetti
Oh...don't get me wrong. I knew it would come to this.....but not even 6 months after taking the oath!?
Honestly, I hope this fuckwit keeps trotting the 'failed policies of the last eight years' canard for the entire duration of his administration....that way he'd be admitting that the whole duration of his term was a failure.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:57:03am |
re: #101 freetoken
No more silence!
How about the continued conversion of the "right" part of the web into the far right?
Last night I mentioned that, to me, Townhall is looking more and more like VDARE (and it has been essentially the FreeRepublic crowd anyway.)
Continuing... one of the online "papers" that on occasion has been linked here is the "Canada Free Press", which for the most part just gathers and reprints "conservative" blurbs. It is now veering into, even surpassing, Pat Buchanan-like racial identity movement stuff.
Example: the latest piece by a Dr. Paul Williams, Obama’s Census to castrate American Calcasians [sic]:
Hopefully Dr. Williams' own blog site ( [Link: thelastcrusade.org...] ) and the Canada Free Press will make it onto Stinky's list of bad sites.
I don't know what's happening to the rightosphere. Correction, I do know: it's being taken over by the hardcore True Believers, conspiracy nuts, nirthers, supremacists, all kinds of crazy. Hell, Glenn Beck-- Glenn Beck!-- and Pat Buchanan are on the teevee constantly. Michelle Bachmann is a Congressperson!
It's not that far of a slide from Beck, Buchanan and Bachmann, to what this loon in the Canada Free Press is saying.
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:58:50am |
re: #103 Fenway_Nation
So I guess I'm a Republican by default, since 0bama said they have 'no solutions'.....
In all honesty, I don't think even the most cynical among us thought that 0bama would screw the pooch this massively in less than 6 months.
Have to agree - I thought it would take him a couple of years. It's blindingly clear that his agenda was in place for at least several years - just waiting...waiting...waiting for the starting gun to be fired. We're so screwed.
By the way, Fenway - were/are you with the 3rd ID? If so, thank you for your service! Outstanding unit.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:00:59am |
re: #108 GGMac
Past tense....doesn't seem that long ago in my mind's eye, but it was the Army before pixelated camouflage, Stryker APCs or black berets for everyone.....
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:01:26am |
re: #103 Fenway_Nation
So I guess I'm a Republican by default, since 0bama said they have 'no solutions'.....
In all honesty, I don't think even the most cynical among us thought that 0bama would screw the pooch this massively in less than 6 months.
Speak for yourself buddy. I'm surprised it took him this long. It's not like he hasn't been reading Jimmy Carter's exams for the last 30 years.
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:03:54am |
re: #109 Fenway_Nation
Past tense....doesn't seem that long ago in my mind's eye, but it was the Army before pixelated camouflage, Stryker APCs or black berets for everyone.....
Ah...back when the field of battle wasn't quite so "neat 'n tidy".
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:05:03am |
re: #101 freetoken
Ok, I made the mistake of reading that column, and it's maddening. Not only is this guy a bigot and fearmongerer, he's a liar.
Get the picture? Notice a racial bias?
These agencies will be paid millions in taxpayers’ dollars to assist the President in conducting the census and to make sure that all minorities are included in the official count.
Not one of the groups represents the despised race of white Europeans who settled this country and gave their sweat and blood to make it the most prosperous nation on earth.
Excluded from the list of census partners are such groups, as the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Daughters of the American Revolution, the Elks Clubs, the Rotary Clubs, the Moose Lodge, and, of course, the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick.
What a douche. There are 30,000 groups currently approved to be census partners--with much more to come. Any group can apply. If the VFW wants to, I'm sure they'd be approved.
And in 2000, there were 100,000 groups that were partners.
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:05:06am |
re: #110 SFGoth
Speak for yourself buddy. I'm surprised it took him this long. It's not like he hasn't been reading Jimmy Carter's exams for the last 30 years.
And Alinsky's and Ayers' mainfestos.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:05:30am |
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:06:04am |
re: #106 Fenway_Nation
I hope so my friend, it didn't take a rocket surgeon to see this one coming. Hopey fucking changey was a result of Bush-fatigue, war fatigue, plus a republican party that was no more fiscally responsible than a bunch of drunken sailors (and I know that type). Plus 0 vetos from a "compassionate conservative" who gave us Medicare part D. What an asshole. That got us a long way.
Don't get me wrong, he was so right on "overseas contingency operations", but a fuck-wit domestically. We are dealing with the pendulum, and its a mother-fer right now. God help us if we don't defeat socialized medicine...
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:07:54am |
re: #107 iceweasel
Ice: The "rightosphere" has no leader. It is a ragtag group of soldiers left to fend for themselves. It is a ship without a compass. No one has stepped forward to take leadership. That is why it is a magnet for fringe groups with no one to challenge them.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:09:29am |
re: #112 iceweasel
No way! The VFW was one of those racist fringe groups that complained about the DHS memo on right wing extremism!
//
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:13:09am |
re: #115 eddiespaghetti
I hope so my friend, it didn't take a rocket surgeon to see this one coming. Hopey fucking changey was a result of Bush-fatigue, war fatigue, plus a republican party that was no more fiscally responsible than a bunch of drunken sailors (and I know that type). Plus 0 vetos from a "compassionate conservative" who gave us Medicare part D. What an asshole. That got us a long way.
Don't get me wrong, he was so right on "overseas contingency operations", but a fuck-wit domestically. We are dealing with the pendulum, and its a mother-fer right now. God help us if we don't defeat socialized medicine...
May the next member of the Bush family who runs for president be struck dumb. We now have enough kinder, gentler compassion to last us through two cycles of communism.
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:15:45am |
re: #118 SFGoth
He already is struck dumb (Fla gov), or at least impotent. No F-ing way another Bush is in office. Or I will eat my hat, or be a monkey's uncle, or whatever...
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:16:21am |
re: #118 SFGoth
May the next member of the Bush family who runs for president be struck dumb. We now have enough kinder, gentler compassion to last us through two cycles of communism.
Almost makes me think we should get a constitutional amendment barring anyone from the Bush, Kennedy, Clinton, and maybe the Dole families from running for any office for like 3 generations. I'm tired of this quasi-royalty crap.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:20:20am |
re: #121 ArchangelMichael
A bazillion updings!
/By the way, a bazillion is equal to the projected national debt in 2012.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:21:29am |
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:22:38am |
re: #112 iceweasel
Not only is this guy a bigot and fearmongerer, he's a liar.
Lying for Jesus.
(read his blog's mission statement)
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:23:22am |
re: #123 Fenway_Nation
That moment already happened, unfortunately. Fuck!
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GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:23:51am |
re: #114 Fenway_Nation
Oh...and I appreciate the thought, but the real thanks should go to the guys & gals in the 3rd ID right now that are doing the heavy lifting.
Each generation, or "half"-generation comes to the fore so that we here can sleep securely at night, and if they didn't all have to do the really heavy lifting - they were ready and willing. I've a son who was USMC, and a door gunner in a medivac in the first Gulf war. His two closest USMC buds - one of whom went on to Army Special Forces (and then Blackwater), have both retired in this past year - so this mom/other mom sleeps really well now. But every day, thoughts are with those over there,
especially in Afganistan.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:26:30am |
re: #116 BatGuano
Ice: The "rightosphere" has no leader. It is a ragtag group of soldiers left to fend for themselves. It is a ship without a compass. No one has stepped forward to take leadership. That is why it is a magnet for fringe groups with no one to challenge them.
The lefty-sphere doesn't have a leader either though, pace those who want to claim it's Kos.
I think the ship without compass metaphor applies to the GOP itself right now also, more's the pity.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:27:57am |
re: #129 iceweasel
The lefty-sphere doesn't have a leader either though, pace those who want to claim it's Kos.
I think the ship without compass metaphor applies to the GOP itself right now also, more's the pity.
I don't know. There's something kind of cool about Boehner publicly calling the cap and trade bill a "pile of shit". : )
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:28:55am |
Alright, if your going to talk debt charts, u must refer to the ubiquitous insti debt chart:
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:30:17am |
OT: Snack Attack!
Authorities said a couple got into a fight using Cheetos. The Bedford County Sheriff's Department said a 40-year-old man and 44-year-old woman became involved in a 'verbal altercation.' Somehow, the orange puffy snacks were used in the assault.
Tenn. couple accused of assault using Cheetos
I wonder what their Free Republic usernames are?
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Neutral President Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:30:23am |
re: #130 capitalist piglet
I don't know. There's something kind of cool about Boehner publicly calling the cap and trade bill a "pile of shit". : )
I'm starting to wish that Congress dropped it's phony "class" and "honor" and there were some good House of Commons style arguments. I might actually watch CSPAN if that happened.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:31:21am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:31:58am |
re: #135 BatGuano
The left-sphere has Obama, does it not?
The lefty/prog sphere spends only slightly less time attacking Obama than it does attacking Republicans.
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eddiespaghetti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:35:10am |
Out gents, good day to you sir:
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:38:40am |
re: #137 iceweasel
I am not up on what the left is saying. Do they believe President Obama is not progressive enough?
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:40:35am |
re: #141 BatGuano
I am not up on what the left is saying. Do they believe President Obama is not progressive enough?
They think he's just as beholden to the power structure as "Rethuglicans".
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:42:48am |
Ok, the vic is kicking in, so habt ihr eine gute Nacht.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:43:19am |
Jesus fucking spiky-haired Christ in a bobsled...get a load of this shit:
If I was in any of the AFL-CIO affiliated trade unions, I'd be thrilled to know our union chief was using dues from members so that little creepy Mentos-commercial reject Kos can play look-at-me-I'm-a-macho-blue-collar-guy....
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:43:59am |
re: #141 BatGuano
I am not up on what the left is saying. Do they believe President Obama is not progressive enough?
Yes, and Obama is being attacked for, among other things, his stances on civil liberties, the recent DOJ filing in support of DOMA, his inaction on Don't Ask Don't Tell...various other things.
He's totally getting his ass kicked for running on promises of transparency, and yet being less transparent than the Bush admin.
Here is a good post from a leading prog blogger, who points out that Bush and Cheney were at least upfront about their position:
The irony, of course, is that the man who ran on transparency is actually turning out to be less transparent than the president he excoriated on the campaign trail for his secrecy. Bush and Cheney were pretty upfront about the fact that they believed they had the constitutional right to act in any way they saw fit, regardless of the accepted understanding of the constitution or congressional and judicial prerogatives. Bush declared "I'm the decider" and he meant it. This administration obviously believes it has that right as well --- it just pretends otherwise.
[Link: digbysblog.blogspot.com...]
The sentiments digby is expressing are by no means uncommon.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:44:06am |
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:50:28am |
Sorry I'm not typing much – I'm working on getting the remaining pages on my site up to speed.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:52:04am |
re: #145 iceweasel
That is good. I am glad that the left is asking those questions. I was afraid they were swallowing this this stuff without question.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:53:55am |
re: #146 BatGuano
O.k. I had two weeks of German 40 years ago. Sue me.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:55:55am |
re: #147 gmsc
Sorry I'm not typing much – I'm working on getting the remaining pages on my site up to speed.
Forgiven. I'll be the mathegician for awhile. :)
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:58:48am |
re: #150 BatGuano
Forgiven. I'll be the mathegician for awhile. :)
OK: What's the square root of 4096?
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:58:50am |
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:59:49am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:00:07am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:00:45am |
re: #154 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!
Yummy! And thanks!
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:00:58am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:01:55am |
re: #148 BatGuano
That is good. I am glad that the left is asking those questions. I was afraid they were swallowing this this stuff without question.
Oh there definitely are Obama cultists out there, who mindlessly approve of anything he does, even when he's doing things they hated Bush for-- but the politically engaged left --the online left, essentially-- is all over him about this, mercilessly. That doesn't help when the MSM is so clueless though.
WaPo just fired one of their (few) liberal bloggers, and he was the only one there who was relentlessly scrutinising Obama from the left. Coincidence?
Then again, some of the MSM is getting a clue, slowly. Bob Herbert at the NYT has been a huge Obama cheerleader, but even he got a clue this week and wrote: "Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House."
I know people here don't like Glenn Greenwald, generally, but he has a superb post on this today, rounding up other criticisms of Obama from the left on civil liberties as well-- including Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, and others.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:02:40am |
re: #154 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!
Hi littleoldlady. I haven't had fruitcup in a month of sundays!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:02:47am |
re: #154 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!
Yay! thanks!
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:02:47am |
Man, it gets pretty sleepy in here at 2:00AM, huh?
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:03:56am |
re: #164 capitalist piglet
Not at all- you're just in time for fruitcup!
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:04:15am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:06:06am |
Quick story about Jeb Bush. When he was guvner we had at least a weeks notice before a hurricane hit south Florida. About 2 days before landfall, all kinds of people stood in line for water and other staples. Jeb went on TV saying, "you've knew about this storm for a week. And you are just now getting your supplies?" Dumb fucks. If a hurricane comes near the state, all the grocery stores, home improvement stores and everyone else sells bottled water. People will fill carts. WTF? Depend on the guvment. Good call. Ass clowns.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:08:43am |
re: #160 iceweasel
Every politician needs a little opposition from their own: It keeps them grounded.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:10:11am |
re: #168 littleoldlady
iceweasel! :-)
capitalist piglet! :-)
OK, the combination of those words is just funny in and of itself.
<G>
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:11:29am |
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:12:23am |
I've changed my avatar so Thanos can see if he recognizes me from the eighties (I was playing clubs in the area where he was living).
If you look, don't cut yourself on my hair. Just a friendly warning. (I'm happy to say I wear it long now, to the middle of my back.)
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:13:44am |
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:20:17am |
My mom used to sing this when I was young.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:26:55am |
re: #176 BatGuano
I STILL can't make out the words!
My mom used to sing this song:
/you are REALLY old, btw!
//pot...kettle...black ;-)
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:34:31am |
re: #177 littleoldlady
Hut sut lyrics:
n a town in Sweden by a stream so clear and cool
A boy would sit and fish and dream when he should have been in school.
Now, he couldn't read or write a word but happiness he found
In a little song he heard and here's how it would sound;
Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla, brawla sooit,
Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla sooit.
Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla, brawla sooit,
Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla sooit.
Now the Rawlson is a Swedish town, the rillerah is a stream.
The brawla is the boy and girl,
The Hut-Sut is their dream.
Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla, brawla sooit.
Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla sooit.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:35:40am |
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:35:59am |
re: #176 BatGuano
My mom used to sing this when I was young.
What's the name of that tune? I think there's an instrumental version of that in A Christmas Story. It sounds a lot like it, anyway.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:36:38am |
re: #177 littleoldlady
Thanks. I love Julie London. She is all but forgotten now.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:37:58am |
re: #178 BatGuano
Wow. Now that you mentioned the title, I just looked it up. It's the same song.
I always wondered what that thing was.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:38:37am |
Broke my own rule and put 1 too many links in the spin-offs (my rule is that 3 at most). Sigh....
Good night y'all...
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:39:12am |
re: #177 littleoldlady
I STILL can't make out the words!
My mom used to sing this song:
[Video]/you are REALLY old, btw!
//pot...kettle...black ;-)
I'll never forget the day she was working through a crossword puzzle, and all of the sudden she slams down the paper and the pen with a loud, "OH!"
She was stumped by a clue that said, "Mares eat ____." She solved other clues that put the word together for her, and she found the word "oats" there. She was confused and said to herself, "Mares eat oats?!? OH! Mares eat oats!"
For years, my mom would occasionally sing or hum, "Mairy doats and dozy doats and little lambsy divy. A kiddley divey too. Wooden shoe!" She always just thought it was a silly nonsense song.
This was the first time ever she figured out what those lyrics were supposed to mean:
"Mares eat oats,
and does eat oats,
and little lambs eat ivy.
A kid'll eat ivy, too.
Wouldn't you?"
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:41:28am |
re: #185 gmsc
Bastard, again! I was going to post that too! GMTA.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:43:51am |
re: #186 BatGuano
Bastard, again! I was going to post that too! GMTA.
I don't remember you being there when my mom solved that crossword puzzle.
;)
Oh ... the song! Got it.
//
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:44:37am |
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:49:36am |
I hope I haven;t posted this before:
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:49:42am |
OK. Drunk couple fighting outside. Call cops?
I'm just worried he's going to start hitting her.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:50:30am |
Well....even if it was for 37 seconds, a drowsy little persian kitten made me forget about Cap & Trade, Card Check and 0bamacare.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:51:15am |
re: #190 iceweasel
OK. Drunk couple fighting outside. Call cops?
I'm just worried he's going to start hitting her.
I would.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:51:58am |
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:52:07am |
re: #193 gmsc
Orange you glad you're not staying up later?
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:52:15am |
re: #190 iceweasel
OK. Drunk couple fighting outside. Call cops?
I'm just worried he's going to start hitting her.
If you think there is going to be violence, call the cops. If it remains an argument, no harm, no foul.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:54:05am |
re: #195 littleoldlady
And I hope you don't post it again!
j/k! (sorta) ;-)
Sorry. I won't post it again.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:54:29am |
re: #197 BatGuano
If you think there is going to be violence, call the cops. If it remains an argument, no harm, no foul.
So far it's a lot of drunk yelling--basically him screaming at her.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:55:20am |
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:56:32am |
re: #201 iceweasel
So far it's a lot of drunk yelling--basically him screaming at her.
Let the police know they are disturbing the peace. which is what I meant say. I have done it myself.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 2:58:32am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:00:51am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:01:39am |
re: #204 BatGuano
Let the police know they are disturbing the peace. which is what I meant say. I have done it myself.
That's it-- it's way louder and someone's smashed a bottle. I just called.
I've learned not to interfere in domestic disputes. Last time I offered a woman in that situation help the two of them both started screaming at me. The woman even more than the man, even though her eye was swelling closed while she yelled at me to leave her guy alone. Yeah, right.
I wound up calling the cops then too.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:02:53am |
Speaking of songs mothers sang, my grandmother (who was born in 1898) used to sing this weird little song that just depressed the hell out of me, and you guys got me wondering if I could get a Google hit on it...and I did. Wow.
"Put My Little Shoes Away" is a Victorian-era parlor song that was written in 1873 and intended for the predominantly urban sheet music market. It gradually made its way into the Appalachian tradition and was adapted to suit the folk instruments the locals played. It tells the story of a dying child, growing weaker by the verse, who instructs his mother to distribute his toys among his friends but, making a distinction between the lure of amusing trinkets and the value of quality footwear, to save his new shoes for his younger brother. It's easy to understand why Victorians were famous for their sentimentality.
I'm about to leave you mother, so remember what I say You will do this for me mother, put my little shoes away."
Just punch me in the face.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:03:03am |
re: #207 iceweasel
Right. NEVER get involved. That's what the police are for.
/I don't know about you, but I'm certainly not trained to handle those situations...
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:03:48am |
re: #207 iceweasel
That's it-- it's way louder and someone's smashed a bottle. I just called.
I've learned not to interfere in domestic disputes. Last time I offered a woman in that situation help the two of them both started screaming at me. The woman even more than the man, even though her eye was swelling closed while she yelled at me to leave her guy alone. Yeah, right.
I wound up calling the cops then too.
I have a good friend who is a cop. I'm told that's a common reaction.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:05:50am |
re: #210 capitalist piglet
I have a good friend who is a cop. I'm told that's a common reaction.
I can believe it. All at once I understood why cops hate domestic calls.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:08:30am |
re: #211 iceweasel
I can believe it. All at once I understood why cops hate domestic calls.
Very dangerous for cops or anyone else who gets involved. Let the pro's handle it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:08:31am |
re: #209 littleoldlady
Right. NEVER get involved. That's what the police are for.
/I don't know about you, but I'm certainly not trained to handle those situations...
Me either, but he hit her and my crusading instincts kicked in.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:13:36am |
Good night, everyone. I hope things go alright Ice weasel.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:20:29am |
Nite, BG! (hugs)
Cops are here! Guy took off when he saw the car; they're talking to the woman.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:21:36am |
re: #217 iceweasel
Guy took off?! WOW. You did the right thing, iceweasel!
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Summer Seale Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:22:08am |
I just read that staff from the UK Embassy in Iran has been arrested (locals, not diplomats).
It's the 1970's all over again!
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:31:30am |
re: #219 Summer
Well...there is a Jimmy Carter clone in the White House.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:31:42am |
re: #218 littleoldlady
Guy took off?! WOW. You did the right thing, iceweasel!
He saw the copcar coming and beat it. My guess is that the loser already had outstanding warrants for something else, or other reasons to not want an encounter with the cops.
His girlfriend or whoever she is will probably claim she doesn't know his last name, or that nothing really bad was going on. So it goes.
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Geepers Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:36:36am |
The Revolution will be led by those wearing comfortable shoes and carrying umbrellas.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:41:45am |
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Geepers Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:48:26am |
littleoldlady (#227),
Busy?
Oh yeah. My company's division has outgrown its space and we've been moving into a new building for the last couple of weeks.
Playing the hand you're dealt? Well at least if you lose you can sue the casino. It's the American way don'tcha know.
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Erik The Red Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:54:20am |
Morning Lizards. Thanks {lol} for fruitcup.
If anyone enjoys bike racing the 1st race of World Superbikes is about to start. American Ben Spies is on poll. Race is at Donington Park in the UK.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:55:51am |
It's the American way don'tcha know.
Evidently... ;-)
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Geepers Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:02:15am |
littleoldlady (#230),
Sadly Weird Al's song is better than a lot of the new crap out there.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:05:51am |
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Erik The Red Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:28:53am |
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:32:08am |
re: #119 eddiespaghetti
He already is struck dumb (Fla gov), or at least impotent. No F-ing way another Bush is in office. Or I will eat my hat, or be a monkey's uncle, or whatever...
I know a zoo where you can find a female chimp, although convincing her to marry you may be difficult, you see, the chimp might not be so happy to have you as a member of her family in order that you may become a monkey's uncle.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:33:54am |
re: #228 Geepers
littleoldlady (#227),
Oh yeah. My company's division has outgrown its space and we've been moving into a new building for the last couple of weeks.Playing the hand you're dealt? Well at least if you lose you can sue the casino. It's the American way don'tcha know.
A business growing larger in this economy... be quiet you fool, the administration will examine the model and then tax you into oblivion.
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Erik The Red Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:36:19am |
re: #238 rightside
Ok, cool. 5 days left?
Yeah I leave here on the 2cd on arrive in Orlando on the 3rd. Just in time for my 1st Independence day, in the USA, in 20 years. I hope I can find a good party.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:37:26am |
re: #240 shanec99
A business growing larger in this economy... be quiet you fool, the administration will examine the model and then tax you into oblivion.
It's for a good cause, and to make sure that Corporate America doesn't play by the mercenary wild west rules that wreaked global havoc many times before!
/i make this look good
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rightside Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:37:41am |
re: #241 Erik The Red
The fireworks should be able to be seen from disney, as far as a party goes, being back in the US is your party.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:42:08am |
re: #242 laZardo
It is not entirely the corporations that did this, certainly there were thieving and irresponsible businessmen, but they were enabled by corrupt members od the leglislative branch.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:45:48am |
The UK is pissed that the "Mad Mullahs" are detaining their people. [Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I wonder if the grass roots of the British Labor Party has a position regarding this.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:47:10am |
re: #244 shanec99
That's the corporate lobby for you! That's what happens when you let them get too big, they start controlling government to try to turn the country into a corporatocracy!
/played "State Of Emergency" on PS2, the novelty wears out quick
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:51:15am |
re: #245 shanec99
The UK is pissed that the "Mad Mullahs" are detaining their people. [Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I wonder if the grass roots of the British Labor Party has a position regarding this.
The mullahs are angry because the BBC has done such a great job of reporting. That's why the first State TV announcements denounced the opposition as a 'UK Zionist plot", -- instead of immediately blaming the US as well.
Semi OT: I just found this heartbreaking story in the Daily Mail:
Revealed: The chilling words of the Mumbai killers recorded during their murder spree
"These shocking tapes reveal the sinister mind control used to turn young men into killing machines - and the casual, off-hand brutality of the men who masterminded the massacre"
It really does reveal the way the gunmen--as bad as they are-- were completely manipulated by their handlers. disgusting.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:53:36am |
re: #247 Erik The Red
Hey shane. Where are you based now?
In Norfolk, Va, left East Africa in May, but I am still celebrating Mayottes kicking Iranian influence in the ass and joining a western democracy. Voter decided by a 95% margin to break with a muslim domiated government to join a western democracy by a population that is more than 90% muslim.
The one bright spot in East Africa, Mayotte.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 4:59:01am |
re: #249 shanec99
I actually had to look that up. It's also gonna get French National health care.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:00:15am |
re: #248 iceweasel
The mullahs are angry because the BBC has done such a great job of reporting. That's why the first State TV announcements denounced the opposition as a 'UK Zionist plot", -- instead of immediately blaming the US as well.
Semi OT: I just found this heartbreaking story in the Daily Mail:
Revealed: The chilling words of the Mumbai killers recorded during their murder spree
"These shocking tapes reveal the sinister mind control used to turn young men into killing machines - and the casual, off-hand brutality of the men who masterminded the massacre"
It really does reveal the way the gunmen--as bad as they are-- were completely manipulated by their handlers. disgusting.
Yep, that is the Religion of Peace for you. Damned blood thirsty murderers, and the American media gets mad because the don't have access to Abu Graib photos but not a peep about the inhumanity of these murderers and the Religion that inspires them.
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Empire1 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:00:49am |
Mentioned yesterday, but it got lost in the high volume of the lounge thread, and I really want to share my happiness -- I'w now the happy owner of a 1991turquoise blue Geo Metro! It's the cutest little thing, very comfortable for me -- even though I have to get re-accustomed to a stick shift! Tiny little 1-liter engine, too, which is odd for someone used to big-block V-8s, -- a lot peppier than I'd expected, though, and the handling is very nice!
I'm a happy camper. :)
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:01:18am |
re: #250 laZardo
I actually had to look that up. It's also gonna get French National health care.
The worst French health care is better than the most compassionate Iranian health care.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:01:20am |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
He wants that but it won't happen. As things stand he does have the votes and gaining them will take time. Senators are ultimately more vulnerable than most congressmen and thus will either need lots of favors or lots of pressure to vote for this turkey. My bet is that the bill gets gutted in the Senate and the final version in watered-down enough to be only mildly damaging, rather than a economy killer.
One can hope that's what will happen. But it's vital to let your Senator know how you feel. There's nothing more motivational than a deluge of constituent contacts for a politician.
Hardcopy, mailed letters are best - they carry the most weight. Emails arent bad - they're immediate, and are often the only way to get your voice heard when bills are being rushed through chambers, but because they're easy and subject to spur-of-the-moment sending they aren't taken as seriously as the post. Finally, there's face-to-face contact, or at least making the request for a meeting over the phone. Most likely, your Senator won't have the time to meet with The Little People, but a stack of requests on the assistant's desk will get their attention.
Step two: do the same to your House representatives. If this bucket of bilge gets voted down in the Senate, or even gets changed into something more reasonable, it will immediately be sent back to the House for further approval. Here, again, a groundswell of public outcry will work wonders to derail it.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:03:42am |
re: #251 shanec99
Gandhi-isms aside, I think the terror attacks could be the beginning of a new stage of a beautiful friendship.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:06:59am |
re: #254 SixDegrees
One can hope that's what will happen. But it's vital to let your Senator know how you feel. There's nothing more motivational than a deluge of constituent contacts for a politician.
Hardcopy, mailed letters are best - they carry the most weight. (snip)
Faxes work too, especially when there is a time crunch to get letters in before an imminent vote.
The lefty/prog organisations have streamlined that process for years-- fill out your name and address online and click, and your representative or Senator gets a fax signed with your name. They even allow you to write your own text, add to theirs, or just send their prepared text.
The right is years behind when it comes to exploiting the power of the internet.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:08:16am |
re: #252 Empire1
Congrats! A friend of mine had one of those years ago-- he loved it. I did too.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:09:42am |
re: #260 laZardo
People still use fax?
/seriously?
As far as I know, only in this instance-- to deluge an official's office with letters rather than emails, when you have only a 24-48 hour window to make a push.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:11:00am |
re: #257 iceweasel
Faxes work too, especially when there is a time crunch to get letters in before an imminent vote.
The lefty/prog organisations have streamlined that process for years-- fill out your name and address online and click, and your representative or Senator gets a fax signed with your name. They even allow you to write your own text, add to theirs, or just send their prepared text.
The right is years behind when it comes to exploiting the power of the internet.
That's Okay. We'll just crush them with our lapdog media!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:12:42am |
re: #261 iceweasel
As far as I know, only in this instance-- to deluge an official's office with letters rather than emails, when you have only a 24-48 hour window to make a push.
Oh and btw, the forms I've seen offering that option make it only one option-- click button one to have it sent via email, click 2 for fax. Etc.
It's a way of maximizing impact on the official.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:13:11am |
re: #256 laZardo
In February the midget Iranian midget President visited the Comoros with a delegation of clerics to campaign against Mayotte breaking away from Islamic rule to cement ties with a Western democracy and the EU.
It was great when I saw the result of the vote.... 95% said no to the Iranian hostage taker in Chief.
The local Islamic clerics had demonstrations in front of the French embassy, and one Vice President said that France's action were a declaration of war.
France is trying to teach the west how to deal with Islamic extremists...
Is the rest of the west paying attention?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:13:19am |
re: #262 haakondahl
That's Okay. We'll just crush them with our lapdog media!
heh. exactly. :)
/get that chihuahua off me!
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:14:22am |
re: #255 laZardo
We can only pray that this act of barbarism yields some good.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:17:48am |
re: #257 iceweasel
Faxes work too, especially when there is a time crunch to get letters in before an imminent vote.
The lefty/prog organisations have streamlined that process for years-- fill out your name and address online and click, and your representative or Senator gets a fax signed with your name. They even allow you to write your own text, add to theirs, or just send their prepared text.
The right is years behind when it comes to exploiting the power of the internet.
All excellent suggestions.
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right_wing2 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:18:54am |
6 days & counting. Independence Day 2009 will be a 'loss of independence day' when I get married. That's ok- I'm pretty lucky.
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rightside Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:22:54am |
re: #268 right_wing2
*cough*sucker*cough*
Just kidding, come the 18th, it'll be 22 years for Mrs. RS and I.
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right_wing2 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:23:14am |
re: #260 laZardo
At our office, we've got a form wecan't email, and another one we have to email to ourselves to make sure it's right before sending to the customer. What a joke.
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right_wing2 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:24:38am |
re: #269 rightside
Congrats!
A friend of mine's wife teared up when she heard our wedding date- her parents anniversary had been the 4th.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:26:18am |
I saw a Yahoo! ad, and wondered if we need some of this around here:
Automated Thread Chasing
Unmanned 100% Thread Chasing for Volume Manufacturers.
(www.NewVistaCorp.com)
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:27:46am |
re: #267 SixDegrees
All excellent suggestions.
I think you're absolutely correct that a mailed, signed letter from a constituent always carried the most weight. Always.
That's why the left/progressive organisations have made this a feature for years now-- sign up for their "action alert" list, and you'll get updates all the time for everything, and they completely streamline the process: you can use their prepared text or your own, you can add some to their prepared text if you want, and you can have it sent via fax, email, or letter.
(Obviously emails and faxes are best when there's a time crunch-- and they always encourage everyone to use their own text, or at least add your own opinions to the form letter complaint they've prepared)
You don't even need to know who your representatives or Senators are-- all you have to do is input your zipcode, and they'll address the letter/email/fax to the appropriate people for you.
And you can do all of it within 5 minutes without even leaving your computer.
I'm amazed that the right hasn't done this. i can think of 5 lefty/prog online activist organisations off the bat that do this as a matter of course-- and only one feeble, recently started, widely mocked right organisation that has tried anything similar.
(The righty organisation's big idea was: send us money, a donation of 5 dollars or up, and we'll mail a teabag to Congress for you.)
With that kind of 'help', it's no wonder the right has been losing the online battle.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:29:14am |
re: #268 right_wing2
6 days & counting. Independence Day 2009 will be a 'loss of independence day' when I get married. That's ok- I'm pretty lucky.
Congrats!
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:30:58am |
Stupid Article I read about East Africa's murderous Muslims. [Link: www.presstv.ir...]
Kenya and Ethiopia have majority Christian populations, so they are closing their borders to Islamic radicals and proscecuting them in the hope that they will be able to grant their citizens greater security (Islamic leaders in Somalia want to take over parts of Ethiopia and Kenya to create a greater Somalia with Sharia law) and it was East African Muslims who bombed the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya and Tanzania killing hundereds of Africans.
Here is an exerpt from the article:
Muslims in East Africa, such as Somalia, Kenya and its coastal regions - who are in the majority - have been treated unfairly by U.S.-backed local officials since the fall of Somalia's Islamic Courts this past year.
Thousands of Somali Muslims with close family members in Kenya have been restricted in crossing the Kenyan border, with many of them taken in for interrogation on terrorism allegations, reports say.
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garden18 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:32:37am |
I myself spent nine years in an insane asylum and I never had the obsession of suicide, but I know that each conversation with a psychiatrist, every morning at the time of his visit, made me want to hang myself, realizing that I would not be able to cut his throat.
— Antonin Artaud
This is why so many people turn the TV off when Obama, the Therapist in Chief, starts to speak.
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mamacares Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:35:18am |
re: #248 iceweasel
Link to daily mail not working.
Good morning Lizards.
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rustler Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:35:28am |
re: #276 garden18
Speaking of The Failure in Chief, I saw a ticker on CNN that Short Shirt had Zinged the One but not what the zing was anyone hear it?
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:35:29am |
re: #273 iceweasel
I think you're absolutely correct that a mailed, signed letter from a constituent always carried the most weight. Always.
That's why the left/progressive organisations have made this a feature for years now-- sign up for their "action alert" list, and you'll get updates all the time for everything, and they completely streamline the process: you can use their prepared text or your own, you can add some to their prepared text if you want, and you can have it sent via fax, email, or letter.
(Obviously emails and faxes are best when there's a time crunch-- and they always encourage everyone to use their own text, or at least add your own opinions to the form letter complaint they've prepared)
You don't even need to know who your representatives or Senators are-- all you have to do is input your zipcode, and they'll address the letter/email/fax to the appropriate people for you.
And you can do all of it within 5 minutes without even leaving your computer.
I'm amazed that the right hasn't done this. i can think of 5 lefty/prog online activist organisations off the bat that do this as a matter of course-- and only one feeble, recently started, widely mocked right organisation that has tried anything similar.
(The righty organisation's big idea was: send us money, a donation of 5 dollars or up, and we'll mail a teabag to Congress for you.)
With that kind of 'help', it's no wonder the right has been losing the online battle.
Once again, I completely agree. All the more frustrating, since it was the Right that first established a serious Internet presence in the political realm. Rather than expand it, they've turned it over to a gaggle of money grubbing hacks with unworkable business models and a zero-sum attitude that sees every blogger other than themselves as competitors taking dollars out of their pockets rather than as allies working toward a common cause.
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jorline Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:39:50am |
re: #278 rustler
Speaking of The Failure in Chief, I saw a ticker on CNN that Short Shirt had Zinged the One but not what the zing was anyone hear it?
Iran's president lashes out at Obama
"We are surprised at Mr. Obama," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in remarks to judiciary officials broadcast on state television. "Didn't he say that he was after change? Why did he interfere?"
"They keep saying that they want to hold talks with Iran ... but is this the correct way? Definitely, they have made a mistake," Ahmadinejad said.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:40:57am |
re: #273 iceweasel
Pffffffft. I can send a teabag to a randomly-selected stranger online just by pressing the "crouch" button right after I shoot them in the face with my laser gun.
/ mmmm, vidya games
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:43:37am |
re: #277 mamacares
Link to daily mail not working.
Good morning Lizards.
hi mamacares!
My god, you're right- the daily mail has already scrubbed it. What's going on over there?
The link was correct, and is showing up on google still-- but they've even removed the cached page!
[Link: www.google.com...]
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:45:08am |
re: #281 jorline
No international organization led by sane people... and nobody except Hamas, Hezballah, the Syrians, North Koreans,
President
Jimmy Carter and the American left wants to talk with Iran's current political leadership.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:47:12am |
re: #283 iceweasel
hi mamacares!
My god, you're right- the daily mail has already scrubbed it. What's going on over there?
The link was correct, and is showing up on google still-- but they've even removed the cached page!
[Link: www.google.com...]
The pro-Muslim anti Israel, anti Western media strikes again.
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rustler Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:47:24am |
re: #281 jorline And that is concidered a ZINGER? Damn thats is a fairly soft retort.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:49:59am |
re: #279 SixDegrees
Once again, I completely agree. All the more frustrating, since it was the Right that first established a serious Internet presence in the political realm. Rather than expand it, they've turned it over to a gaggle of money grubbing hacks with unworkable business models and a zero-sum attitude that sees every blogger other than themselves as competitors taking dollars out of their pockets rather than as allies working toward a common cause.
Completely true. In my view, the rightosphere pioneered political blogging-- yet their breakthrough was also the moment when the rest of them started sliding downhill: the Rather docs.
Powerline was named Time's Blog of the Year that year-- frankly? I think it ought to have been LGF and Charles.
And since then, the rest of the blogs on the right have kept sliding towards hell. LGF is possibly the only one of those once associated with PJM that consistently excels.
PJM-TV is a great example of what's happened to the right-o-sphere.
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jorline Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:51:08am |
re: #286 rustler
And that is concidered a ZINGER? Damn thats is a fairly soft retort.
Short DICtator with small zinger.
It's all penis envy.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:53:30am |
Morning all.
Waiting for the wife to get ready to go car shopping. I'm hoping that the old conventional wisdom that there won't be any salespeople at the lots on a Sunday morning holds true. I absolutely hate buying cars.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:54:57am |
re: #287 iceweasel
. In my view, the rightosphere pioneered political blogging
Let me change that slightly-- people on the left were also already blogging, but it was the bloggers on the right, particularly about "rathergate", that finally forced the MSM to take notice, and forced political blogging into the public consciousness.
Charles and LGF ought to have been named Blog of the Year by Time. Not Powerline.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:54:59am |
Does anyone believe that President Obama's conclliatory speach in Egypt has made America, the West or Israel safer from Iranian designs?
If you can find someone who believes that please ask them to contact me, it would be revealing why they believed this and would advocate such a view.
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rustler Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:55:16am |
re: #288 jorline Just the fact that I kept seeing it repeated on the bottom of the screen I was expecting Obama to have been verbally depantsed.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:58:07am |
re: #290 iceweasel
Let me change that slightly-- people on the left were also already blogging, but it was the bloggers on the right, particularly about "rathergate", that finally forced the MSM to take notice, and forced political blogging into the public consciousness.
Charles and LGF ought to have been named Blog of the Year by Time. Not Powerline.
I have een disappointed with Charles' consistent focus on the evolution debate, but well it's his blog so he makes the rules. When I see something on evolution I leave.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:58:57am |
re: #293 laZardo
Maybe they got envious of Charles' big, throbbing memo.
/props to #288
hee. I don't know. Maybe it was memo-envy? Big throbbing pulsating memo envy?
I think they envied his blog-fu.
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rustler Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:05:28am |
re: #294 shanec99
The Evolution debate(and religious fanaticism in general) is a serious issue for conservatives right now. It is being used against us by the left to great effect. Just look at how it was used agaisnt Sarah Palin during the pres Primaries. Or How it was used against Mitt Rommney and Mike Huckabee during the Republican Primaries. We need to kill the Evolution debate. We also need to kill the bickering that exists because of fairly minor religious differences.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:06:04am |
Heh. Don't know if this is old news, but Sarah Palin responded to John Kerry.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:06:06am |
re: #295 iceweasel
Yeah, no kidding. Lots of envy, always, aimed towards the truly creative.
Speaking of creative, I see Cashill has yet another new essay on A.Thinker about ..... who authored Dreams of My Father....
Expect to see someone try to pimp it here, eventually.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:06:06am |
Hugh Hewitt: Ahmadinejad to Obama: "Do not disgrace yourself further by such language and behavior."
Washington Post: Iran's President Rebukes Obama; Candidates Reject Election Review
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:06:52am |
re: #299 freetoken
Yeah, no kidding. Lots of envy, always, aimed towards the truly creative.
Speaking of creative, I see Cashill has yet another new essay on A.Thinker about ..... who authored Dreams of My Father....
Expect to see someone try to pimp it here, eventually.
Too Late! About 36 hours ago.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:08:01am |
re: #294 shanec99
I have een disappointed with Charles' consistent focus on the evolution debate, but well it's his blog so he makes the rules. When I see something on evolution I leave.
Put it this way: in ten or more years, when someone writes about the shift from old media to new, and does a non-partisan historical account of the way bloggers came to influence politics-- LGF and Charles and memogate will be acknowledged as the tipping point.
Time incorrectly gave the Powerline "blog of the year" status. They were wrong.
As for the evolution debate-- I disagree that Charles has anything like a "consistent focus' on that debate, insofar as this blog has always covered, and still covers, all kinds of topics.
I'm all for anyone who wants to expose creationism and ID and the push to teach that in schools. i don't care what anyone believes, in a religious sense, but I can't support teaching religion in public schools, esp at the expense of science.
And it's a blog, so, there will be posts anyone likes more than others. I tend to avoid certain topics because I don't have anything to contribute or I'm not as interested. C'est la vie!
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:08:57am |
re: #296 rustler
The Evolution debate(and religious fanaticism in general) is a serious issue for conservatives right now. It is being used against us by the left to great effect. Just look at how it was used agaisnt Sarah Palin during the pres Primaries. Or How it was used against Mitt Rommney and Mike Huckabee during the Republican Primaries. We need to kill the Evolution debate. We also need to kill the bickering that exists because of fairly minor religious differences.
Agree, we need to kill the debate... the best way to kill a debate is to not debate.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:09:13am |
re: #301 haakondahl
Too Late! About 36 hours ago.
Wasn't that Cashill's previous article? This one is dated June 28th.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:10:45am |
re: #298 Lincolntf
The soldiers broke out in laughter at Palin poking fun at Kerry’s renowned lantern jaw.
Oh, now I get it. (:
/didn't get it the first time, sorry if my caricature skills are off.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:11:01am |
re: #299 freetoken
Yeah, no kidding. Lots of envy, always, aimed towards the truly creative.
Speaking of creative, I see Cashill has yet another new essay on A.Thinker about ..... who authored Dreams of My Father....
Expect to see someone try to pimp it here, eventually.
I just bitchslapped someone over the OLD cashill essays a few days ago. I can't believe he's still pimping this. SEK at Edge of the American West really smacked him last year:
To be blunt: if you find Cashill’s identification of “sea imagery” and his lists of words both Obama and Ayers use to be particularly anything other than laughable pablum, you’re an eighth-wit.
(snip)
Because no one with any literary training can read Cashill’s tripe without recognizing it as the shoddy work of a dim student asked to compare and contrast two texts.
[Link: edgeofthewest.wordpress.com...]
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:11:29am |
re: #298 Lincolntf
Heh. Don't know if this is old news, but Sarah Palin responded to John Kerry.
Why doesn't she have the common sense to respond with maturity? A glib little joke like that just legitimizes Kerry's stupid comment.
Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, and the pig will enjoy it. How oddly inappropriate the after her experience vis-a-vis "lipstick on a pig" comments, she couldn't have left this particular pig alone.
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mamacares Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:18:10am |
re: #303 rightside
Good morning and many thanks, always grateful to you.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:20:57am |
re: #302 iceweasel
I am with you on that.
Most reasonable people believe in the scientific validity of Darwins ideas... it is difficult to argue otherwise.
But it seems to me that when you are right, and the arguments so obvious, there is no need to "flatten your adversaries" and constantly "run up the score" to ridicule them and their faith.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:23:22am |
re: #305 freetoken
Wasn't that Cashill's previous article? This one is dated June 28th.
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What was the question?
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:26:50am |
re: #308 haakondahl
Why doesn't she have the common sense to respond with maturity? A glib little joke like that just legitimizes Kerry's stupid comment.
Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, and the pig will enjoy it. How oddly inappropriate the after her experience vis-a-vis "lipstick on a pig" comments, she couldn't have left this particular pig alone.
And the "pig" has responded with......
“Lately it’s been Vice President Cheney that everyone hopes would lose the cameras and go for a long leisurely hike on the Appalachian Trail. And good grief, if anyone thinks John Kerry is afraid of strong, smart women, they sure haven’t met his brilliant wife and two independent daughters. It sounds like getting crushed these last two election cycles cost some of these Republicans their sense of humor.”
Is Kerry now saying that he believes Palin is a strong, smart woman?
Would this response have come had Palin not initially responded to Kerry's foolish statement?
What would the "mature" response have been?
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:27:47am |
re: #308 haakondahl
She handled it well. A little joke, without rancor. Unlike Kerry and Obama's nasty and offensive references to her.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:28:49am |
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (73 degrees, 72% hunidity, going up to 95 degrees later today) currently sunny and bright Charloot!
How is everyone doing today?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:31:04am |
OT:
Woman Trades Sex for Potato Chips
A case of Frito-Lay chips, if you must know.
Let the puns begin.
A woman pleaded no contest last week to prostitution charges, accused of agreeing to be paid for services with a box of chips by a man who said he was a Frito-Lay employee.
(snip)
Smith told police the man told her he was looking for company but he didn’t have any money, so she agreed to be paid with a $30 case of Frito-Lay chips he had in the back of his car.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:32:18am |
re: #302 iceweasel
And it's a blog, so, there will be posts anyone likes more than others. I tend to avoid certain topics because I don't have anything to contribute or I'm not as interested. C'est la vie!
Exactly, icedub. There is no single focus on this blog. The topics that get posted are varied- from european crypto-fascism to American politics to science to music and beyond. The only common thread with these is that Charles finds them interesting. Not everyone agrees they're interesting, and that their prerogative, but others do like the topics that are posted. If it's not your cup of tea- try a different thread.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:32:26am |
re: #314 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (73 degrees, 72% hunidity, going up to 95 degrees later today) currently sunny and bright Charloot!
How is everyone doing today?
Good Morning Realwest....Just had breakfast and watching good morning Vietnam on the History Channel...
I made the top ten by telling the story of getting arrested naked on the beach with a girl in college....I think lizards are laughing at me!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:35:08am |
re: #316 Sharmuta
Exactly, icedub. There is no single focus on this blog. The topics that get posted are varied- from european crypto-fascism to American politics to science to music and beyond. The only common thread with these is that Charles finds them interesting. Not everyone agrees they're interesting, and that their prerogative, but others do like the topics that are posted. If it's not your cup of tea- try a different thread.
Totally. Don't like it? Play on another thread.
Don't like any of the posts? Find another blog.
how are you, Sharmuta? Good to see you!
(I must say I'm loving the nic 'icedub', btw.)
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:36:40am |
re: #310 shanec99
No one is ridiculing their faith. They are free to believe what they want. The rest of us draw the line at forcing it upon the children of others via public schools.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:36:54am |
re: #317 HoosierHoops
Oh hi there Hoops! I'm sure folks out here weren't laughing at you, but with you (uh, y'all didn't publish any photos with that post did ya?!?)!
How are you doing otherwise Mr. Top Ten!?
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:37:04am |
At least one editorial cartoonist gets it.Obama Broadcasting Corp.
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jorline Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:37:27am |
re: #314 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (73 degrees, 72% hunidity, going up to 95 degrees later today) currently sunny and bright Charloot!
How is everyone doing today?
Currently At 8:32AM
Partly Sunny 78°F
RealFeel® 98°F
Winds: CLM at 0mph
Mostly Sunny
Humidity: 100% (and it's not raining)
Dew Point: 78° F
Pressure: 29.90 in
Visibility: 9 Miles
Good morning, RW. My world looks like yours today.
BBL...off to church.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:38:26am |
re: #321 Lincolntf ROTFL!
Good one! How are you today Lincolntf?
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Chicken Kiev Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:38:50am |
Iran arrests eight British Embassy staffers.
They claim the employees, who are local, were involved in the post-election riots that erupted after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won at the polls earlier this month.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:39:23am |
re: #315 iceweasel
OT:
Woman Trades Sex for Potato Chips
A case of Frito-Lay chips, if you must know.
Let the puns begin.
In other snack news,..
SNIP
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:39:31am |
re: #318 iceweasel
Like I said earlier, I don't go on threads anymore where the evolution debate is posted... and I wont, the few I visited were a repetition of bashing Christians and making it seem that they were wild eyed fanatics.
Most people who advocate ID and creationism are misguided or uninformed, there is no reason to subject them to ridicule, and I wont be a willing participant in ridiculing un-informed people.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:40:55am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:40:58am |
re: #322 jorline
Hi jorline - I doubt that your world looks like mine today, since my 20" Flat Screen LCD monitor died yesterday and I'm using an old 15" monitor which I purchased with a new Dell computer about 10 years ago.
Man, I'm SQUINTING!
See ya later!
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:41:11am |
re: #320 realwest
Oh hi there Hoops! I'm sure folks out here weren't laughing at you, but with you (uh, y'all didn't publish any photos with that post did ya?!?)!
How are you doing otherwise Mr. Top Ten!?
Doing great....It was a wonderfully hot day yesterday...Got lots of sun.Going to hang out on the deck today and blog and swim some..In my swim trucks.
I learned my lesson! LOL
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:41:48am |
re: #304 shanec99
Agree, we need to kill the debate... the best way to kill a debate is to not debate.
I disagree. Without the debate here at LGF, I wouldn't have learned about the agenda of the ID movement and why it's harmful. Much like what LGF did for me when I first found this site. I didn't know much about islam, but the debate led me to learn. Most people don't realize they're being BSed about intelligent design. For example- I have a science loving family member, a total "Darwinist", with creationist family, and she thought turning them to ID would help them accept evolution. I had to tell her otherwise. Without the debate- folks lose out on learning the real motivations of these people.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:42:26am |
re: #318 iceweasel
Glad you like the "icedub". We'll run with it. ;)
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:42:31am |
re: #319 Sharmuta
No one is ridiculing their faith. They are free to believe what they want. The rest of us draw the line at forcing it upon the children of others via public schools.
Shar, reasonable people dont want ID in school science classes. I don't, you don't, but there is no reason to beat them over the head... they are wrong, but if a person is wrong I believe that there is very little to be gained by lampooning them constantly.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:44:19am |
re: #312 Pianobuff
And the "pig" has responded with......
“Lately it’s been Vice President Cheney that everyone hopes would lose the cameras and go for a long leisurely hike on the Appalachian Trail. And good grief, if anyone thinks John Kerry is afraid of strong, smart women, they sure haven’t met his brilliant wife and two independent daughters. It sounds like getting crushed these last two election cycles cost some of these Republicans their sense of humor.”
Is Kerry now saying that he believes Palin is a strong, smart woman?
Would this response have come had Palin not initially responded to Kerry's foolish statement?
What would the "mature" response have been?
I'm not saying I want her to go all lawsuit or anything. Just have some cake and eat it too: "Gosh, I certainly hope that creepy comment was a joke" or "Don't get too excited, I'm pretty sure he was joking. Hard to tell, sometimes, but he's not as bad as he makes himself sound, whenever he opens his mouth".
Something not freaking out, but still with some rebuke in it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:44:43am |
re: #310 shanec99
I am with you on that.
Most reasonable people believe in the scientific validity of Darwins ideas... it is difficult to argue otherwise.
But it seems to me that when you are right, and the arguments so obvious, there is no need to "flatten your adversaries" and constantly "run up the score" to ridicule them and their faith.
Pointing out that ID is really theology, and therefore has no place in science classes, isn't 'ridiculing' faith.
And neither Charles nor anyone here seems interested in 'flattening adversaries' on the issue of evolution.
It's a really simple equation: Stop trying to get creationism taught as science in schools, and people will stop attacking creationists for that.
That's it.
(btw, im running at a lag here, so I'm not seeing updates. )
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:45:12am |
re: #332 Sharmuta
Glad you like the "icedub". We'll run with it. ;)
Good Morning Sharm. Hope you are well today....
I like icedub also....good nic for a good lizard
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:45:49am |
re: #332 Sharmuta
Sharm - did you email me yesterday? Just checking before I reply in case it's a prank or something.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:46:06am |
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:46:35am |
re: #326 shanec99
Some of these people are wild eyed fanatics. If you can believe it- there are people out there that think adultery should be a criminal offense. Others think it should be a capital offense! That sort of thinking is way to close to shari'a for my taste. But no one is bashing Christians as a whole. The majority of Christians accept science and faith as being compatible.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:46:44am |
re: #330 Sharmuta
The ID folks will never be able to force their arguments on us or our children, no matter how hard they try. School teachers are too protective of their turf... so all we are doing is adding a lot of noise to a debate that is already settled.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:47:01am |
re: #338 iceweasel
Jimmah!
I saved that pic from teacakegate, btw. Don't know why this was clipped in my reply.
How are you?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:47:05am |
re: #329 HoosierHoops
Doing great....It was a wonderfully hot day yesterday...Got lots of sun.Going to hang out on the deck today and blog and swim some..In my swim trucks.
I learned my lesson! LOL
Which is... NO NAKED REPUBLICAN, PLEASE.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:47:35am |
re: #327 MandyManners
HEY! Mandy Isn't that GREAT music?!
BTW, LGFer jcm found a website for that Slovenian group:[Link: www.perpetuumjazzile.si...]
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:48:37am |
re: #335 iceweasel
They can try, but they wont succeed, it would be like someone trying to re-institute slavery in America... it just wont happen and not worth debating.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:48:46am |
Good Morning folks! Did I sleep late or do some of you not sleep much? Realwest, how much did you sleep?
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:48:54am |
re: #333 shanec99
Shar, reasonable people dont want ID in school science classes. I don't, you don't, but there is no reason to beat them over the head... they are wrong, but if a person is wrong I believe that there is very little to be gained by lampooning them constantly.
What about the school boards froom coast to coast which keep trying to throw ID into the classroom? From where you're sitting, it may look like a solved, bygones kind of issue, but this is still being fought out. I mostly agree with you that reasonable people don't want ID in science classrooms, under any guise, but the problem is this: there are plenty of people who seem quite reasonable, until they see a chance to get win with ID.
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mamacares Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:49:20am |
re: #314 realwest
Good morning. So far so good. Always hope.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:31am |
re: #341 iceweasel
I saved that pic from teacakegate, btw. Don't know why this was clipped in my reply.
How are you?
I'm fine thanks "icedub" ;-) . Really busy though - especially the next few days.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:33am |
re: #334 haakondahl
Sarah could have joked back that if she goes naked hiking, she'll invite kerry along.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:52am |
re: #349 mamacares
Hey there {mamacares} sometimes hope is all we have, but it's a GOOD thing to have.
How are you doing today?
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:53am |
re: #334 haakondahl
I'm not saying I want her to go all lawsuit or anything. Just have some cake and eat it too: "Gosh, I certainly hope that creepy comment was a joke" or "Don't get too excited, I'm pretty sure he was joking. Hard to tell, sometimes, but he's not as bad as he makes himself sound, whenever he opens his mouth".
Something not freaking out, but still with some rebuke in it.
I'm sure opinions vary, but I thought her response was pretty mild, delivered with a grain of "whatever" and pretty far from ballistic and seemed to be just enough to get him to back off a little bit. All in all, I thought she handled it ok.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:53am |
re: #340 shanec99
The ID folks will never be able to force their arguments on us or our children, no matter how hard they try. School teachers are too protective of their turf... so all we are doing is adding a lot of noise to a debate that is already settled.
So then you agree that ID has "no place whatsoever in any science classroom"? Or is there some nuance I'm missing here? You sound like the wax moth.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:51:04am |
re: #348 haakondahl
What about the school boards froom coast to coast which keep trying to throw ID into the classroom? From where you're sitting, it may look like a solved, bygones kind of issue, but this is still being fought out. I mostly agree with you that reasonable people don't want ID in science classrooms, under any guise, but the problem is this: there are plenty of people who seem quite reasonable, until they see a chance to get win with ID.
Exactly, the issue is FAR from over, just look at the Dover PA school board of ed case.
It's a LIVE issue right now-- creationists have been infiltrating school boards on the local level to try to institute change.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:52:16am |
re: #344 Sharmuta
Thanks - I was 99% sure, just thought I'd check first.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:52:58am |
re: #327 MandyManners
BTW Mandy - here's a link to another "African" song that's actually very good:
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:53:04am |
re: #325 MandyManners
In other snack news,..
SNIP
Hee. I linked that upthread, and said,
"I wonder what their free republic usernames are?"
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:53:19am |
re: #343 realwest
HEY! Mandy Isn't that GREAT music?!
BTW, LGFer jcm found a website for that Slovenian group:[Link: www.perpetuumjazzile.si...]
I love that rain storm they create on stage.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:54:18am |
re: #351 Sharmuta
Sarah could have joked back that if she goes naked hiking, she'll invite kerry along.
Oh Noes! We have gone full circle to being Naked....
There has got to be a song about being naked on the beach...If not. There should be..LOL
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:54:23am |
re: #345 laZardo
"Once you get popped, you can't be stopped!"
re: #325 MandyManners
The waves of obnoxious fangirls and their references to "Cheesy Poofs" never failed to piss off Cartman long after his show ended.
For ages, I've spelled "Cheetos" as "Cheetoes". I've learned something new already today!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:54:32am |
re: #351 Sharmuta
Sarah could have joked back that if she goes naked hiking, she'll invite kerry along.
Or that John Kerry wishes she'd invite him.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:55:00am |
re: #353 Pianobuff
I'm sure opinions vary, but I thought her response was pretty mild, delivered with a grain of "whatever" and pretty far from ballistic and seemed to be just enough to get him to back off a little bit. All in all, I thought she handled it ok.
All that came across was that she recycled a five-year old Leno joke with no connection to Kerry's crass statement. A swing and a miss.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:55:01am |
re: #339 Sharmuta
Shar, do I debate over and over again the issues that David Duke advocates?
No.
And why not?
Because it is a settled matter, and no matter how loudly he screams his idealogy has been widely discredited and abandoned.
It is the same with the idea of ID as science... it has been thoroughly discredited, and the majority of its advocates are simply uninformed.
For the small group who continue to advocate it... they do not have the numbers or influence to force this on the rest of us, so all we are left with is ridiculing and lambasting uninformed Christians. Is that a worthwhile exercise?
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freetoken Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:55:24am |
re: #340 shanec99
[...] so all we are doing is adding a lot of noise to a debate that is already settled.
It appears you are agreeing with Killian's view on this subject.
While I agree that ultimately the ID crowd will find it too frustrating to try and change school curricula, that is not the end game.
Herein exists the problem. When 45-48% of the American populace outright reject the basics of the science of biology, and yet the government authorities demand that what is taught truly is science, what we end up with is ample fuel to feed the "culture wars."
Creationism/evolution is just one front on the culture war, but one in which the participants battle vigorously.
The continually deepening of the trenches in American society that these culture wars brings about leads to much poison and vitriol in American public dialogue.
As such, when individuals or organizations, such as the DI, intentionally feed these culture wars - with purpose their aim is to destroy reason - then I will ridicule them and have no problem with exposing them.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:55:55am |
re: #355 iceweasel
Exactly, the issue is FAR from over, just look at the Dover PA school board of ed case.
It's a LIVE issue right now-- creationists have been infiltrating school boards on the local level to try to institute change.
If the issue was dead, then Charles wouldn't have posted about all the creationist/ID bills that have been proposed in nearly a dozen states from Georgia to New Mexico to Iowa and more. The creationists/IDers will keep pushing their agenda, and the rest of us should remain vigilant in keeping it out of public schools. They know full well they're welcome to teach this in private schools, but they're not interested in teaching it just to their children- they want to teach it to yours.
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:56:26am |
Apparently, negotiations w/Iran on nukes is not off the table.
Axelrod, on This Week:
Stephanopoulos asks, is the invitation to negotiate on Iran's nuclear program is still open?
"Yes," says Axelrod. "Understand: This is an invitation. It is not a reward. We want to sit down the with the Iranians and offer them two paths. One leads them back to the group of nations. And the other has some very stark consequences."
Asked whether negotiating now implicitly backs the regime and means the U.S. is turning its back on dissidents there, Axelrod says, "I think the president's sense of solicitude with those young people has been very very clear, and we're very mindful of that. We're also mindful of the fact the nuclear situation in Iran – and the nuclear situation in the whole region – is a threat to the whole world. And we have to address that."
Also, the branding of health care reform as "bipartisan" has begun.....
Axelrod continues....
"The bill will be bipartisan by definition," Axelrod says on "This Week." "The Senate health committee accepted 82 Republican amendments. Republican ideas will be included with this process, we hope it will come with Republican votes as well."
It also looks like Climate Change may take a back seat to healthcare reform in terms of Obama's agenda. I assume if this is the case they must realize they don't have the Senate votes.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:56:35am |
re: #346 shanec99
They can try, but they wont succeed, it would be like someone trying to re-institute slavery in America... it just wont happen and not worth debating.
Yes, it is worth debated. The DI has millions of dollars at its disposal. Bills allowing the teaching of theology in science classes have cropped up all over the nation.
If people are not aware of the agenda behind this movement, they cannot fight against it. Are you aware of Dominionism?
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:57:03am |
re: #315 iceweasel
OT:
Woman Trades Sex for Potato Chips
A case of Frito-Lay chips, if you must know.
Let the puns begin.
I guess she *was* all that and a bag of chips.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:57:05am |
re: #354 haakondahl
ID has no place in a science class... perhaps in a class on theology or contemporary religious beliefs, not in science.
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:58:01am |
re: #363 haakondahl
All that came across was that she recycled a five-year old Leno joke with no connection to Kerry's crass statement. A swing and a miss.
Like I said, opinions vary. I'm glad that Kerry backed off, either way.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:58:03am |
re: #355 iceweasel
Exactly, the issue is FAR from over, just look at the Dover PA school board of ed case.
It's a LIVE issue right now-- creationists have been infiltrating school boards on the local level to try to institute change.
Disclaimer. I am an atheist, so I have no designs, intelligently or otherwise, on proving that there is a supernatural or metaphysical element to evolution. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
But, I really see no difference in the way DI styled believer are trying to integrate ID (and other flavors of their theory) into the classroom versus the way progressive have cluttered up elemental education with "self esteem" doctrines, diversity training and the general effort to deny the historical and religious roots of our American society.
There's a battle I want to fight, getting progressive socialistic styled thought OUT of education.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:58:36am |
re: #339 Sharmuta
I wish some of the religious folks could understand this. What they seem to want does not help religion, or freedom of religion. It helps take away individual rights, not just religiously related rights, but rights as such. It empowers those who want government to run every aspect of our lives. That x number of politicians feel obliged to proclaim their disbelief in evolution means that there are a fair number of people out there who have yet to understand what they are trying to do to themselves.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:58:53am |
re: #354 haakondahl
A wax moth? Maybe y'all ought to read his comment at #333 to see what his complaint is before y'all go piling on, ya know?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:59:24am |
re: #357 realwest
BTW Mandy - here's a link to another "African" song that's actually very good:
Ladysmith Black Mombazo?
Thanks for the tune!
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:59:46am |
re: #348 haakondahl
What about the school boards froom coast to coast which keep trying to throw ID into the classroom? From where you're sitting, it may look like a solved, bygones kind of issue, but this is still being fought out. I mostly agree with you that reasonable people don't want ID in science classrooms, under any guise, but the problem is this: there are plenty of people who seem quite reasonable, until they see a chance to get win with ID.
They will never win, reasonable people, professional educators and influential scientists who have unimpeachable credentials will line up against them. That battle is over.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:59:59am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:01:12am |
re: #358 iceweasel
Hee. I linked that upthread, and said,
"I wonder what their free republic usernames are?"
Shelbyville, TN, is also the town that has a Tyson plant whose union tried to ditch Labor Day in exchange for a Muslim holiday for all their Somali employees.
The coverage of it by the local paper was incredible.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:01:16am |
re: #353 Pianobuff
I'm sure opinions vary, but I thought her response was pretty mild, delivered with a grain of "whatever" and pretty far from ballistic and seemed to be just enough to get him to back off a little bit. All in all, I thought she handled it ok.
To some people, there is something wrong with everything she does, no matter how insignificant.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:01:58am |
re: #364 shanec99
Shar, do I debate over and over again the issues that David Duke advocates?
No.
And why not?
Because it is a settled matter, and no matter how loudly he screams his idealogy has been widely discredited and abandoned.
It is the same with the idea of ID as science... it has been thoroughly discredited, and the majority of its advocates are simply uninformed.For the small group who continue to advocate it... they do not have the numbers or influence to force this on the rest of us, so all we are left with is ridiculing and lambasting uninformed Christians. Is that a worthwhile exercise?
No matter how ridiculed or lambasted any uninformed group considers itself to be, they will not be allowed to set the curriculum for science education. Speaking as an agnostic, to me it takes more than faith that this will not be allowed to happen--it takes commitment. I am committed.
Now the best way to ensure that the education system is not perverted is, oddly enough, through education. This is what makes it a critical issue--feedback. Not one ripple will be tolerated without damping by the responsible, or else the whole thing is over.
We will not recover from a generation too stupid to do basic research, much less advanced. That generation must not happen.
Going to dinner.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:02:06am |
re: #368 MandyManners
Yes, it is worth debated. The DI has millions of dollars at its disposal. Bills allowing the teaching of theology in science classes have cropped up all over the nation.
If people are not aware of the agenda behind this movement, they cannot fight against it. Are you aware of Dominionism?
No matter how many millions of dollars David Duke has he will never be able to convince America to return people of African heritage to the bonds of slavery. Some arguments are over for the overwhelming majority of the nation... it is the same with ID.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:02:13am |
Have to shoot again. See you guys later -have a good sunday. Remember if you're going to church - dance sensible ;-)
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:02:56am |
re: #364 shanec99
Shar, do I debate over and over again the issues that David Duke advocates?
No.
And why not?
Because it is a settled matter, and no matter how loudly he screams his idealogy has been widely discredited and abandoned.
It is the same with the idea of ID as science... it has been thoroughly discredited, and the majority of its advocates are simply uninformed.For the small group who continue to advocate it... they do not have the numbers or influence to force this on the rest of us, so all we are left with is ridiculing and lambasting uninformed Christians. Is that a worthwhile exercise?
People know about Duke already but, I doubt the majority of people on the fence about ID know the agenda behind its promoters.
Have you read about Wedge Strategy?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:03:26am |
I cannot find my link to the Wedge Strategy? Anyone?
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:03:46am |
re: #376 MandyManners
You're more than welcome - though it's Paul Simon on my YouTube!
But here's one that just Ladysmith Black Mombazo:
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:03:51am |
re: #380 legalpad
To some people, there is something wrong with everything she does, no matter how insignificant.
And the fact that the debate for some is more about how she responds than what preceded is revealing.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:05:02am |
re: #379 MandyManners
Shelbyville, TN, is also the town that has a Tyson plant whose union tried to ditch Labor Day in exchange for a Muslim holiday for all their Somali employees.
The coverage of it by the local paper was incredible.
Our Company gives us 2 days a year to take off for whatever reason we want. Religion or otherwise...I take off my birthday and whatever day I don't feel like going in....Tyson should do that
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:05:35am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
Disclaimer. I am an atheist, so I have no designs, intelligently or otherwise, on proving that there is a supernatural or metaphysical element to evolution. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
But, I really see no difference in the way DI styled believer are trying to integrate ID (and other flavors of their theory) into the classroom versus the way progressive have cluttered up elemental education with "self esteem" doctrines, diversity training and the general effort to deny the historical and religious roots of our American society.
There's a battle I want to fight, getting progressive socialistic styled thought OUT of education.
Brilliant concept Walter!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:06:24am |
re: #382 shanec99
No matter how many millions of dollars David Duke has he will never be able to convince America to return people of African heritage to the bonds of slavery. Some arguments are over for the overwhelming majority of the nation... it is the same with ID.
Please see my No. 384. The DI has devised a method to insert its demands into public schools.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:06:32am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
But, I really see no difference in the way DI styled believer are trying to integrate ID (and other flavors of their theory) into the classroom versus the way progressive have cluttered up elemental education with "self esteem" doctrines, diversity training and the general effort to deny the historical and religious roots of our American society
I think there is a significant difference.
Let's assume, for the moment, that what you're saying is true-- that liberals and progressives are "cluttering up elemental [I assume you mean 'elementary'] education with 'self-esteem' doctrines (etc)"
ID and creationist people are actively lobbying for, and often succeeding in!-- changing our science curricula to INCLUDE RELIGION. At the expense of teaching science.
That's a LOT worse than whatever it is you want to claim 'progressives' and 'liberals' are doing to the educational system by adding in crap about self esteem-- and as I say, even if you were right, ID and Creationism have to be targeted first.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:07:05am |
re: #382 shanec99
No matter how many millions of dollars David Duke has he will never be able to convince America to return people of African heritage to the bonds of slavery. Some arguments are over for the overwhelming majority of the nation... it is the same with ID.
BTW, I was not claiming Duke has millions of dollars but, DI.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:07:33am |
re: #384 MandyManners
Yes I have... and the strategy pre-supposes that there are large numbers of people who have not made up their mind on an issue.
With ID, slavery, equal rights for women, legality of alcohol use in the American population and a myriad of other issues it is not the case. The debate is over and no one will turn back the clock.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:07:43am |
the NEA should be shut down and sent packing....the feds should minimize their intrusion into education K-12....schools should become public again, vouchers and home ed should be fought for relentlessly....govt grip on education must be broken....should should
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:08:28am |
re: #385 MandyManners
I cannot find my link to the Wedge Strategy? Anyone?
Here mandy-- wiki has one now!:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:08:43am |
re: #382 shanec99
No matter how many millions of dollars David Duke has he will never be able to convince America to return people of African heritage to the bonds of slavery. Some arguments are over for the overwhelming majority of the nation... it is the same with ID.
The same way radical Muslims will not be able to get banks in England to stop handing out free "piggy banks" because it offends them. The same way radical Muslims will not be able to burn thousands of cars in the streets of France because of the high unemployment rate. The same way radical Muslims have been able to sue Mark Styne in Canada, because he wrote articles unfavorable to the Jihadist.
And do you want me to get into the rise of European nationalism, the 1930's styled anti-semitism that is on the uprise all over the planet and the many incidents of hate crimes, because of someone's racial or ethnic background.
Go ahead, let people walk all over reason and logic. It will make things easier for you. Sleep well.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:09:05am |
re: #319 Sharmuta
No one is ridiculing their faith. They are free to believe what they want. The rest of us draw the line at forcing it upon the children of others via public schools.
Absolutely correct.
And if I may add these thoughts that occurred to me recently:
I don’t notice that people MUST agree with everything at LGF, but it is necessary that folks make some sort of rational or logical argument and then be prepared to defend it, if necessary. If a person can’t make a rational argument and/or can’t defend what they’re saying, then perhaps it’s time for that person to take a look at himself (or herself as the case may be), or at least go do some additional research on their own.
And that is one of the many reasons LGF is so interesting, and informative – there is information aplenty, as well as challenges to one's own views and ideas, and you either have to present enough information to present a rational and reasonable argument, or it might just be time to review your own perceptions.
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:09:07am |
Wow, the Energy Bill passed in the House. Scary stuff. Are "cooler" heads going to prevail in the Senate? This country is so screwed. I have always thought moving to a place like Costa Rica would be quite the adventure, but for the first time I am seriously considering it. Funny thing is that Rush this week was talking about how some people are starting to take the attitude of enjoy it while you can, I had to laugh.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:09:19am |
re: #385 MandyManners
I cannot find my link to the Wedge Strategy? Anyone?
Let me pull on your underpants. :)
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:09:53am |
re: #389 HoosierHoops
Our Company gives us 2 days a year to take off for whatever reason we want. Religion or otherwise...I take off my birthday and whatever day I don't feel like going in....Tyson should do that
It's not Tyson in control over this. It's the union and, if I'm not mistaken, that union fully backed FCBBHO.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:10:44am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
Said it before but in another comment to another poster, but wanted you to know that I think your comment was Spot On.
You cannot GIVE someone self-respect, it's something that has to be earned. I appreciate parents trying to protect their kids from all sorts of things, but really - no more "dodge ball" no more "choosing up sides" so little Johnny or little Janie don't get emabarrassed?! Again, I do understand that parents' desire, but they are setting their children up for a figurative kick in the teeth when they get out into the world and, worse yet, taking away time from subjects - like Science and basic civics classes that need MORE time.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:11:09am |
re: #394 shanec99
Yes I have... and the strategy pre-supposes that there are large numbers of people who have not made up their mind on an issue.
With ID, slavery, equal rights for women, legality of alcohol use in the American population and a myriad of other issues it is not the case. The debate is over and no one will turn back the clock.
Look at the Dominion school of thought. DI is just one branch of Dominionism.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:11:59am |
re: #395 albusteve
the NEA should be shut down and sent packing....the feds should minimize their intrusion into education K-12....schools should become public again, vouchers and home ed should be fought for relentlessly....govt grip on education must be broken....should should
Nice thought but, I think it's here to stay. We need to fight back against it, force it to modify its policies.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:12:28am |
re: #392 iceweasel
I think there is a significant difference.
Let's assume, for the moment, that what you're saying is true-- that liberals and progressives are "cluttering up elemental [I assume you mean 'elementary'] education with 'self-esteem' doctrines (etc)"
ID and creationist people are actively lobbying for, and often succeeding in!-- changing our science curricula to INCLUDE RELIGION. At the expense of teaching science.
That's a LOT worse than whatever it is you want to claim 'progressives' and 'liberals' are doing to the educational system by adding in crap about self esteem-- and as I say, even if you were right, ID and Creationism have to be targeted first.
Jumping in here . . . I read Walter's comment and then yours.
True, the ID'ers are actively lobbying for and succeeding in changing science curricula.
But what Walter said is accurate; the "self-esteem" crap is already in schoolroom curricula, in various forms, and doing no good whatsoever to create accomplishment, which generates real self-esteem, not just a touchy-feely feel-good sense of self-esteem.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:12:43am |
re: #385 MandyManners
I cannot find my link to the Wedge Strategy? Anyone?
here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:13:12am |
re: #397 albusteve
Thankew - yeah, that is a great one. I remember the first time I heard Paul Simon with them as "back up" or whatever and I wanted to know more about them right away.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:14:55am |
re: #396 iceweasel
Here mandy-- wiki has one now!:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Lazardo in No. 388 has a link to it directly.
Notice the "FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN"? Where else have we seen five year plans?
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Ojoe Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:15:37am |
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:15:40am |
re: #405 MandyManners
Look at the Dominion school of thought. DI is just one branch of Dominionism.
Mandy... the idea of dominionism is to replace the Constition with a theocracy... it is not gonna happen. Again, that debate is over, it died with the Puritans when the idea of a separation between Church and state was accepted.
[Link: www.jewsonfirst.org...]
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:16:05am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:16:10am |
re: #410 MandyManners
Lazardo in No. 388 has a link to it directly.
Notice the "FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN"? Where else have we seen five year plans?
Uh, Obama and the Dems? (sorta sounds like an old doo-wop group, doesn't it?!).
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:16:28am |
re: #400 filetandrelease
Wow, the Energy Bill passed in the House. Scary stuff. Are "cooler" heads going to prevail in the Senate? This country is so screwed. I have always thought moving to a place like Costa Rica would be quite the adventure, but for the first time I am seriously considering it. Funny thing is that Rush this week was talking about how some people are starting to take the attitude of enjoy it while you can, I had to laugh.
I heard this morning that the bill was introduced with about 300 pages of amendments that no one had a chance to read Friday morning before the vote.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:16:55am |
re: #401 MandyManners
Thank LGF via google, because I'm more used to the Firefox ready-search field in the upper right hand of my browser.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:16:59am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:17:44am |
re: #411 Ojoe
Good morning Ojoe - thank you for that! Um, what is the "net" of Mt. San Antonio?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:17:47am |
re: #392 iceweasel
I think there is a significant difference.
Let's assume, for the moment, that what you're saying is true-- that liberals and progressives are "cluttering up elemental [I assume you mean 'elementary'] education with 'self-esteem' doctrines (etc)"
ID and creationist people are actively lobbying for, and often succeeding in!-- changing our science curricula to INCLUDE RELIGION. At the expense of teaching science.
That's a LOT worse than whatever it is you want to claim 'progressives' and 'liberals' are doing to the educational system by adding in crap about self esteem-- and as I say, even if you were right, ID and Creationism have to be targeted first.
Why first? Notice your tactic, ID and Creationism is worst? I think all these doctrines should be stopped. "Self esteem" principle are like religion, and it is pushed by progressives with religious fervor.
You are not honest in this debate. If you think Creationism is worst, than where is the part of your comment that deals with that the intrusion of leftist secular "religious" thought is bad?
You don't go there, because for you, what is happening in public schools is fine with you.
Why don't we get together and stop all of this "religion," secular or otherwise?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:17:53am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:18:57am |
re: #412 shanec99
Mandy... the idea of dominionism is to replace the Constition with a theocracy... it is not gonna happen. Again, that debate is over, it died with the Puritans when the idea of a separation between Church and state was accepted.
[Link: www.jewsonfirst.org...]
They have not given up! Nor should we. We cannot turn a blind eye towards those who would destroy our nation from within.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:19:18am |
re: #414 realwest
Uh, Obama and the Dems? (sorta sounds like an old doo-wop group, doesn't it?!).
USSR.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:19:34am |
re: #373 legalpad
I wish some of the religious folks could understand this. What they seem to want does not help religion, or freedom of religion. It helps take away individual rights, not just religiously related rights, but rights as such. It empowers those who want government to run every aspect of our lives. That x number of politicians feel obliged to proclaim their disbelief in evolution means that there are a fair number of people out there who have yet to understand what they are trying to do to themselves.
Religious fundamentalism is a part of the unconstrained vision- the same vision of many socialists. They think government should decide morals and ethics instead of society. That a handful of elites know best, and they'll impose this upon us for our own good. The left-right dichotomy doesn't work in this case, but if you read Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions, it becomes obvious that many on the right and left share the same mindset- it's just that their solutions are different. Likewise- there are people on the left and right that understand the importance of the rule of law and individual rights. You might call these people moderates or centrists, but I personally don't subscribe to the left-right dichotomy anymore.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:01am |
re: #423 MandyManners
USSR.
BTW, I'm not saying that the DI is a Communist organization. I was merely drawing attention to the other movement that I've seen come up with five year plans.
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:14am |
re: #416 MandyManners
What? Bother to read a pile of legislation that will alter the business landscape greater than any passed in the history of the country while simultaniously increasing cost (taxes) on its' citizens in an amount also never seen before? Sorry my waffles are done.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:17am |
re: #407 reine.de.tout
Jumping in here . . . I read Walter's comment and then yours.
True, the ID'ers are actively lobbying for and succeeding in changing science curricula.But what Walter said is accurate; the "self-esteem" crap is already in schoolroom curricula, in various forms, and doing no good whatsoever to create accomplishment, which generates real self-esteem, not just a touchy-feely feel-good sense of self-esteem.
And we don't correct leftist indoctrination by injecting religious indoctrination. We correct it by demanding real standards in all subjects.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:28am |
re: #407 reine.de.tout
Jumping in here . . . I read Walter's comment and then yours.
True, the ID'ers are actively lobbying for and succeeding in changing science curricula.But what Walter said is accurate; the "self-esteem" crap is already in schoolroom curricula, in various forms, and doing no good whatsoever to create accomplishment, which generates real self-esteem, not just a touchy-feely feel-good sense of self-esteem.
hey reine!
Meh, I'm not taking any position on the selfesteem crap. I'm opposed to it, but it takes different forms in different places-- it isn't like the ID/creationist agenda.
And in any case, I'm always going to prioritise targetting people who are diluting and distorting science education.
If the selfesteem people start agitating to take over chucks of bio, chem, or physics class to teach 'bio-rhythms" "astrology" and the like, then they'll share top of the list with the creationists, in terms of who I'm targeting as most dangerous to education.
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fluffy bunny Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:28am |
A nekkid beach song for HH…To the tune of Under the Boardwalk:
When the moon beams down and finds Hoops out on the sand
And the police patrol the shores, flashlight in hand
Under the moonbeam, down by the sea
On a blanket with his baby, is where he’ll be
Under the moonbeam, out of sight
Under the moonbeam, he’ll be having some fun
Under the moonbeam, no time to run
Under the moonbeam, cops put the cuffs on
Under the moonbeam, MOONBEAM.
| 430 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:29am |
Well y'all it's time for The LGF Prayer/Good Wishes List again.
AND AGAIN - folks if you see something that is wrong or could or should be deleted, kindly E-MAIL ME - your cooperation is greatly appreciated!
Lizard Prayer List 6/28/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope
Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.
Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice
The Iranian “dissidents”
Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke; D-i-L’s stepdad – throat cancer; and
son of a good friend-50 yrs old- having 1/3 of face removed and reconstructed next week-cancer.
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Irish Rose – Son doing ok and out of danger from illness; automobile problems resolved.
MNSnowlizard - No need for further heart surgery, prayers for her and her family’s good health
Fluffy Bunny – tumor turned out to be benign.
(cont'd)
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:36am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
Disclaimer. I am an atheist, so I have no designs, intelligently or otherwise, on proving that there is a supernatural or metaphysical element to evolution. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
But, I really see no difference in the way DI styled believer are trying to integrate ID (and other flavors of their theory) into the classroom versus the way progressive have cluttered up elemental education with "self esteem" doctrines, diversity training and the general effort to deny the historical and religious roots of our American society.
There's a battle I want to fight, getting progressive socialistic styled thought OUT of education.
Over the last few years, I've had great conversations with my nephew (who just graduated public high school) about what they covered in his history classes. Vis a vis religion, he said that he remembered two lessons:
1 - The pilgrims leaving and settling on Plymouth for religious freedom.
2 - The Salem Witch trials.
I have a pile of anecdotes (yes they are only anecdotes) about gross inaccuracies and misinformation that coincidentally feed/support a very leftist worldview.
Fortunately, the kid is already a bit of a skeptic.
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:40am |
re: #407 reine.de.tout
Jumping in here . . . I read Walter's comment and then yours.
True, the ID'ers are actively lobbying for and succeeding in changing science curricula.But what Walter said is accurate; the "self-esteem" crap is already in schoolroom curricula, in various forms, and doing no good whatsoever to create accomplishment, which generates real self-esteem, not just a touchy-feely feel-good sense of self-esteem.
Feeling good about oneself comes from oneself--not from the outside. It can't be taught -- maybe validated, but not taught. (imho, of course!)
Besides, the feeling good does not help one learn how to balance their checking account or apply for a job, to name just a couple among the multitude of things really required in life to just 'get by.' :)
Good morning {everyone}!
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:22:14am |
re: #398 Walter L. Newton
The fact that some enfeebled and misguided politicians in England and France allow Islamic anti-social criminals to destroy personal property, and raid the public treasure does not mean that professional educators in America will allow uniformed people to dictate what goes on in the class room.
There is no logical relationship between the two arguments.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:22:25am |
Part 2 of 3:
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin's hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
Doppelganglander: son
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend's son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Pingjockey – cancer down by voice box.
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing prostate cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:22:38am |
re: #420 Walter L. Newton
Why first? Notice your tactic, ID and Creationism is worst?
Yes, it is worst.
See my 428
| 437 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:23:21am |
re: #424 Sharmuta
Religious fundamentalism is a part of the unconstrained vision- the same vision of many socialists. They think government should decide morals and ethics instead of society. That a handful of elites know best, and they'll impose this upon us for our own good. The left-right dichotomy doesn't work in this case, but if you read Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions, it becomes obvious that many on the right and left share the same mindset- it's just that their solutions are different. Likewise- there are people on the left and right that understand the importance of the rule of law and individual rights. You might call these people moderates or centrists, but I personally don't subscribe to the left-right dichotomy anymore.
| 438 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:23:28am |
re: #412 shanec99
Mandy... the idea of dominionism is to replace the Constition with a theocracy... it is not gonna happen. Again, that debate is over, it died with the Puritans when the idea of a separation between Church and state was accepted.
[Link: www.jewsonfirst.org...]
And we thought rampant anti-semitism died with the Holocaust. Have you looked around the world lately? It hasn't, and if you know anything about history, we have a 1930's styled meme setting itself up again world wide.
| 439 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:23:40am |
Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq.
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: Lesion on Liver near vein, MRI scheduled; and one Lizard friend dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan;
yma o hyd: death of dear friend Annie; ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: Mother seriously ill and in hospital.
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife passed away.
Pvt Bin Jammin – BIL’s son has Liver Cancer
soxfan4life – Uncle had heart attack, undergoing by-pass surgery
Sharmuta - Grandfather in hospital – blood poisoning
3 wood – good friend and mom of young children diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, no treatment available for her.
ChristheProfessor – lost his brother to cancer this past week.
Mamacares – health issues for a family member
(cont'd)
| 440 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:23:54am |
re: #426 filetandrelease
What? Bother to read a pile of legislation that will alter the business landscape greater than any passed in the history of the country while simultaniously increasing cost (taxes) on its' citizens in an amount also never seen before? Sorry my waffles are done.
Let go of your Eggo?
| 441 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:23:59am |
re: #433 legalpad
Yes to all- and I'm reading that book.
Awesome! I'm always thrilled when I see people are picking up that book. I think it's a powerhouse that will change how folks see politics.
| 442 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:24:14am |
Conservatisimnow – kidney stones and other related matters.
Lizards with family issues
Irish Rose: Lost job
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Dianna: - mother- best possible outcome is hoped for.
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
In Memoriam
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
Obi Wan
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.
| 443 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:24:24am |
re: #409 realwest
Thankew - yeah, that is a great one. I remember the first time I heard Paul Simon with them as "back up" or whatever and I wanted to know more about them right away.
I've seen them...they are constantly singing and laughing and getting on with the audience...duets and solos and splitting into separate groups...always dancing and in motion....just a real fun performance
| 444 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:24:38am |
One of the most powerful images ever filmed is in Good Morning Vietnam with Satchmo singing what a wonderful world with violence going on in the background...There may not be such sadness and joy and yearning in one scene ever filmed...
| 445 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:26:03am |
re: #439 realwest
Thank you for including my mom, realwest.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:27:07am |
re: #445 MandyManners
You're welcome Mandy - just sad that she had to be put on The List.
{Mandy}
| 447 |
Ojoe Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:27:29am |
re: #419 realwest
Ha ha, there is no net on San Antonio, and it is a long way down from the top. I have not been to the top in years though & maybe there is a net now.
| 448 |
laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:27:54am |
re: #429 fluffy bunny
Those moonbeams'll make the sunscreen react REAL nice.
/HH might know this pic.
| 449 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:28:04am |
re: #444 HoosierHoops
One of the most powerful images ever filmed is in Good Morning Vietnam with Satchmo singing what a wonderful world with violence going on in the background...There may not be such sadness and joy and yearning in one scene ever filmed...
| 450 |
filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:28:16am |
re: #440 MandyManners
Let go of your Eggo?
No way, where are your priorities. I need my eggo to feel good about myself.
| 451 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:28:29am |
re: #434 shanec99
The fact that some enfeebled and misguided politicians in England and France allow Islamic anti-social criminals to destroy personal property, and raid the public treasure does not mean that professional educators in America will allow uniformed people to dictate what goes on in the class room.
There is no logical relationship between the two arguments.
The ability for people to forget, stop fighting, get lazy, change their opinions, yes, that's my arguments, and there is a relationship.
You are looking at the single issue, I'm looking at how people, humans, how they can be moulded, manipulated and socially reengineered, the group dynamics behind movements.
Your thinking is similar to how people say "I could never join a cult." You think you are immune to the sway of popular movements, and before you know it, it's happened and you missed it.
No Shane, I'm not going to assume that it's just all right.
| 452 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:28:30am |
re: #444 HoosierHoops
One of the most powerful images ever filmed is in Good Morning Vietnam with Satchmo singing what a wonderful world with violence going on in the background...There may not be such sadness and joy and yearning in one scene ever filmed...
Agree. I often wonder if that scene was filmed as a sort of deliberate coda to the scene in Apocalypse Now when they're playing Wagner and killing people.
| 453 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:28:45am |
re: #422 MandyManners
They have not given up! Nor should we. We cannot turn a blind eye towards those who would destroy our nation from within.
They may not give up, but no insignificant group of people like the group who advocate domminionism will ever be able to convince Americato give up the wall of separation between church and state. That debate is over.
Their attempts to replace the American Constitution with a theocracy will be as successful as returning Michael Jackson to life.
| 454 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:28:57am |
re: #447 Ojoe
Ha ha, there is no net on San Antonio, and it is a long way down from the top. I have not been to the top in years though & maybe there is a net now.
OK, I was merely quoting from your comment!
| 455 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:29:37am |
re: #446 realwest
You're welcome Mandy - just sad that she had to be put on The List.
{Mandy}
She's in a drug-induced coma, on the ventilator. They'll start trying to take her off it this week to see if she can breathe on her own.
| 457 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:30:59am |
re: #453 shanec99
They may not give up, but no insignificant group of people like the group who advocate domminionism will ever be able to convince Americato give up the wall of separation between church and state. That debate is over.
Their attempts to replace the American Constitution with a theocracy will be as successful as returning Michael Jackson to life.
Michael Jackson is dead? Where is the media? /////
| 458 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:31:31am |
I want to see M Jacksons derth certifikat...where is it?
| 459 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #453 shanec99
They may not give up, but no insignificant group of people like the group who advocate domminionism will ever be able to convince Americato give up the wall of separation between church and state. That debate is over.
Their attempts to replace the American Constitution with a theocracy will be as successful as returning Michael Jackson to life.
Your Idealism is commendable, but thank goodness that there are Realist available to come in and clean up the mess when the shit hits the fan.
| 460 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:31:45am |
re: #455 MandyManners
Oh, {Mandy}. Honey, stay strong. We're here for you.
| 461 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:04am |
re: #450 filetandrelease
No way, where are your priorities. I need my eggo to feel good about myself.
Oh, go inflate your tires!
| 462 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:05am |
re: #455 MandyManners
She's in a drug-induced coma, on the ventilator. They'll start trying to take her off it this week to see if she can breathe on her own.
Oh God.Mandy.I had no idea...
May God bless your mom and bring peace and grace to your heart...
| 463 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:15am |
re: #455 MandyManners
Prayers going up for her and for you right now!
| 464 |
filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:27am |
re: #455 MandyManners
I stay busy with my business and can't keep up. Didn't know about your Mom, my prayers with her and for you this week.
| 465 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:35am |
re: #455 MandyManners
She's in a drug-induced coma, on the ventilator. They'll start trying to take her off it this week to see if she can breathe on her own.
Really, a big long hug for you from me.
| 467 |
fluffy bunny Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:44am |
{Mandy} Prayers going up for you and your family.
| 468 |
Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:33:00am |
From Politico today: Waffling on middle class tax increases has officially started.
The White House seems to be retreating from President Barack Obama’s campaign promise that he would not raise taxes on families making less than $250,000.
Under persistent questioning from ABC’s George Stephanopoulos Sunday, Obama senior adviser David Axelrod declined to restate the vow and left open the possibility that the president might sign health care reform legislation that taxes high-cost, employer-provided insurance plans which some middle-class families currently receive tax free.
“The president had said in the past that he doesn't believe taxing health care benefits at any level is necessarily the best way to go here. He still believes that, but there are a number of formulations and we'll wait and see,” Axelrod said on ABC’s “This Week.” “The important thing at this point is to keep the process moving, to keep people at the table, to the keep the discussions going. We've gotten a long way down the road and we want to finish that journey.”
When Stephanopoulos asked why Obama hadn’t drawn a “line in the sand” over his tax pledge, Axelrod suggested that kind of ultimatum is at odds with the president’s effort to being a new tone to politics.
“One of the problems we've had in this town is that people draw lines in the sand and they stop talking to each other. And you don't get anything done. That's not the way the president approaches this,” the White House adviser said.
| 469 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:33:43am |
Good morning fellow lizards, good to see so many on this morning....comparing hangover's are we?
| 470 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:33:48am |
re: #453 shanec99
They may not give up, but no insignificant group of people like the group who advocate domminionism will ever be able to convince Americato give up the wall of separation between church and state. That debate is over.
Their attempts to replace the American Constitution with a theocracy will be as successful as returning Michael Jackson to life.
It is not over. They were successful in getting Louisiana to allow theology to be taught in public schools, and similar bills have been introduced in many state houses.
| 471 |
Bloodnok Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:33:53am |
Good morning from a cold and rainy New England. If we reach 60 degrees today we'll be lucky.
| 472 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:34:13am |
re: #374 realwest
A wax moth? Maybe y'all ought to read his comment at #333 to see what his complaint is before y'all go piling on, ya know?
Gosh, Real, where ya been? I read the comment. I've read all of his comments here, and incidentally, I have a lot of respect for shanec99, I just happen to disagree about the need to man the battlements over ID. He feels that Charles is harping incessantly and needlessly on ID, doing nothing productive thereby, while causing unnecessary mental anguish on "uninformed Christians". His words, not mine.
Meanwhile, we watch the continued assaults on our education system. The way I see it, the issue, while resolved as to the science, is absolutely not resolved when it comes to education policy.
| 473 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:34:36am |
re: #458 albusteve
I want to see M Jacksons derth certifikat...where is it?
It's on a grassy knoll in the Bohemian Grove. Next stop is the Bilderberger Hotel.
| 474 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:34:52am |
| 475 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:35:26am |
re: #438 Walter L. Newton
And we thought rampant anti-semitism died with the Holocaust. Have you looked around the world lately? It hasn't, and if you know anything about history, we have a 1930's styled meme setting itself up again world wide.
Rampant anti-Semitism never died, as far back as the 1950's Nasser and his band of thugs wanted to contiunues Hittler's attemps to destroy Jews generally and Israel in particular.
The Muslim brotherhood has never changed (they have been around for at least 100 years).
European anti-semitism never went away.
The KKK hatred for Jews never went away.
Rampant anti-semitism never died... it was too embarrassed to show its face in polite company for a while, but it never died.
| 476 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:35:53am |
re: #462 HoosierHoops
Oh God.Mandy.I had no idea...
May God bless your mom and bring peace and grace to your heart...
Thank you! The Kid is taking it hard but, due to his age, he's not able to process it correctly and is acting out. I cut him some slack.
| 477 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:05am |
re: #467 fluffy bunny
Hi fluffy bunny - I was relieved to hear YOUR good news though! Made the appropriate change in The List I posted about above on this thread.
| 478 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:07am |
| 479 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:12am |
re: #471 Bloodnok
Good morning from a cold and rainy New England. If we reach 60 degrees today we'll be lucky.
Hey Bro. It will be hotter than hell here today...Which is better than colder than hell I bitched about all winter...I like it hot
| 480 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:35am |
re: #464 filetandrelease
I stay busy with my business and can't keep up. Didn't know about your Mom, my prayers with her and for you this week.
Thank you!
| 482 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:50am |
| 483 |
gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:37:20am |
re: #455 MandyManners
{Mandy}
I'm so very sorry to see this. How is your son doing with situation?
Prayers for you, your son and your family.
| 484 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:37:23am |
re: #479 HoosierHoops
Hey Bro. It will be hotter than hell here today...Which is better than colder than hell I bitched about all winter...I like it hot
What is "hot"?
| 485 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:09am |
re: #468 Pianobuff
Persistent? Is Stephanopoulos becoming a decent host?
| 486 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:09am |
| 487 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:16am |
re: #457 Sharmuta
Michael Jackson is dead? Where is the media? /////
lol
Do you know that I love your sarcasm?
| 488 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:41am |
re: #468 Pianobuff
"“One of the problems we've had in this town is that people draw lines in the sand and they stop talking to each other. And you don't get anything done. That's not the way the president approaches this,” the White House adviser said."
That's cause Axelrod's President has no significant moral compass and is unlikely to take a "stand" on anything that might prove to be politically unpopular with his "base".
| 489 |
filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:53am |
re: #473 MandyManners
It's on a grassy knoll in the Bohemian Grove. Next stop is the Bilderberger Hotel.
I had the misfortune of having a drink last week with John Clark host of the radio show "America betrayed" a real nerfer and conspiracy nut. I finally has to tell him that we need just the subject please. He drove me crazy.
| 490 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:25am |
re: #483 gettinby
Good morning {gettinby} - how are you doing today?
| 491 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:31am |
re: #471 Bloodnok
Good morning from a cold and rainy New England. If we reach 60 degrees today we'll be lucky.
Trade places? It's 90 here with 70 per cent humidity.
| 492 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:46am |
re: #484 Desert Dog
What is "hot"?
Anything that makes me jump in the pool. Around the 90's
I know you live in the desert..But I'm a sissy...With a nice tan today..
| 493 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:48am |
re: #475 shanec99
Rampant anti-Semitism never died, as far back as the 1950's Nasser and his band of thugs wanted to contiunues Hittler's attemps to destroy Jews generally and Israel in particular.
The Muslim brotherhood has never changed (they have been around for at least 100 years).
European anti-semitism never went away.
The KKK hatred for Jews never went away.Rampant anti-semitism never died... it was too embarrassed to show its face in polite company for a while, but it never died.
And you now make my point (which I knew you would). Ultra-fundamentalism has never died, radical Islam has never died, bigotry and racism has never died and creationism is still a viable theory for many people.
And when you have people, and philosophies, and faith and beliefs, you can never assume that human laws and advancing civilization has snuff out these pernicious doctrines.
You want to assume that they have been contained, snuffed out, and will never come back. Enjoy the ride.
| 494 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:52am |
re: #395 albusteve
the NEA should be shut down and sent packing....the feds should minimize their intrusion into education K-12....schools should become public again, vouchers and home ed should be fought for relentlessly....govt grip on education must be broken....should should
-> How many kids has Department of Education taught?
-> We send an education $ to DC and get 0.35¢ back.
-> 10th Amendment.
| 495 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:40:10am |
| 496 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:40:11am |
re: #486 albusteve
breakfast on the hood of your car
Is this hot? Another summer in AZ and the same question that I've asked the previous 23 summers comes to mind - Why do I live here?
But, when the oven gets turned down in October, I remember again why I live here.
| 497 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:40:54am |
re: #470 MandyManners
It is not over. They were successful in getting Louisiana to allow theology to be taught in public schools, and similar bills have been introduced in many state houses.
If they want to teach it in a class on religious beliefs I have no problem with it. It is not science... but if kids get a chance to read it, and see the holes in the arguments when put up to scrutiny in an academic setting I have no problem with it being taught outside of a science class.
| 498 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:05am |
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:16am |
re: #487 shanec99
Thanks. It runs in the family. One year at Thanksgiving, my uncle, cousin and I all made the same wiseass remark to a request at the table, and Grandma (God rest her soul) just let out a sigh.
| 501 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:44am |
re: #490 realwest
Good morning {gettinby} - how are you doing today?
Morning RW!
56° high marine layer of clouds, which will burn off by 10am giving us a nice day.
| 502 |
Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:47am |
re: #485 MandyManners
Persistent? Is Stephanopoulos becoming a decent host?
Way too early to tell... but I had wondered after last week's topic of media bias and Obama's obsession with Fox on GS's round-table if George wasn't signaling that his show would be a little more circumspect. With the alphabet network ratings in the tank they may be getting some heat. I'll still need to see a few more weeks of consistent balanced coverage and questions before my hopes get too high.
| 503 |
Bloodnok Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:51am |
| 504 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:58am |
re: #493 Walter L. Newton
This guy is good Become the King of Bluff.....
| 505 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:02am |
re: #483 gettinby
{Mandy}
I'm so very sorry to see this. How is your son doing with situation?
Prayers for you, your son and your family.
Thank you! He's not handling it well at all. He wants to go see her but there is no way I'll take him.
| 506 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:19am |
re: #485 MandyManners
I doubt that. I think Stephanopoulos was instructed to "push that line" to Axelrod so Axelrod could say what he did - you know our POTUS of Hope and Change won't draw any lines in the sand. He lets Pelosi and Reid do that for him in Congress.
| 507 |
razorbacker Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:44am |
'Morning y'all.
The temps hit close to hundred degrees yesterday, and it was just too blamed hot to be around folks worried about Iran, or diddling Governors, or an unavoidable economic meltdown, or the falling price of feeder cattle so we packed up and went over to the Japton general store for the bluegrass playing.
Poking through the store and watching the people led me to a few observations:
Homemade cookies taste better when a cute little girl offers you a bite off of hers. Ignore the baby-slobber and take a bite. The smile is worth it.
Hand-made knives just look right with an antler handle. I don't know why.
Done right, you can swat flying insects in time to the music.
When the burger-griller needs help opening a new pack of ground beef, he don't care what you last did with your pocketknive, he just wants it to be sharp.
The "Rooster Song" makes me laugh.
A thong peeking over the waistband of a pair of Daisy Dukes still will catch an old man's eye. Though, as the wife-woman said, "I know that you're finally getting old. There was a time when you'd have been on that like white on rice." What can I say?
| 508 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:57am |
| 509 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:15am |
re: #498 MandyManners
Stop. I'm tearing up here.
{MANDY}
You're one of the ones that make hangin' here worthwhile.
| 510 |
Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:16am |
re: #488 realwest
"“One of the problems we've had in this town is that people draw lines in the sand and they stop talking to each other. And you don't get anything done. That's not the way the president approaches this,” the White House adviser said."
That's cause Axelrod's President has no significant moral compass and is unlikely to take a "stand" on anything that might prove to be politically unpopular with his "base".
It's called weathervane leadership and it's really cool and nuanced and hip and pragmatic all at the same time.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:21am |
re: #380 legalpad
To some people, there is something wrong with everything she does, no matter how insignificant.
I hope you're not lumping me in with that inverse Killgore comment. She has a lot going for her, and I was really excited at her candidacy. If the McCain campaign hadn't so completely botched her end of things, she might have made a difference.
Now there are things that disappoint me, but why do you think I care at all what her response should be?
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:23am |
re: #498 MandyManners
Stop. I'm tearing up here.
I know- there have been times the love and support of the Lizards has made me cry, but we're a community here, and it's quite true. You are loved.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:23am |
re: #501 jcm
Hi there jcm! Sounds like a really nice day for y'all!
Want to swap weather?!? LOL!
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:25am |
re: #496 Desert Dog
Is this hot? Another summer in AZ and the same question that I've asked the previous 23 summers comes to mind - Why do I live here?
But, when the oven gets turned down in October, I remember again why I live here.
oh look at all the nice clouds over NM!....heh...and there is water in them!
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:27am |
re: #502 Pianobuff
I read George's book about Bill and came away with the impression that he was at least a bright person. Always thought he had potential.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:40am |
re: #489 filetandrelease
I had the misfortune of having a drink last week with John Clark host of the radio show "America betrayed" a real nerfer and conspiracy nut. I finally has to tell him that we need just the subject please. He drove me crazy.
I wonder if there will be conspiracy theories about his death.
Oh, wait. Of course there will be if people can make money off of it and thrust themselves into the spotlight.
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:57am |
re: #490 realwest
{realwest}!
H & H, as usual. (Hot/Humid) How's about you?
Health in check.
Mr. GBy in check.
Doggies in check.
By the way, what is a 'short-sell' and is it or can it be a good thing when selling ones home?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:44:34am |
re: #428 iceweasel
hey reine!
Meh, I'm not taking any position on the selfesteem crap. I'm opposed to it, but it takes different forms in different places-- it isn't like the ID/creationist agenda.
And in any case, I'm always going to prioritise targetting people who are diluting and distorting science education.
If the selfesteem people start agitating to take over chucks of bio, chem, or physics class to teach 'bio-rhythms" "astrology" and the like, then they'll share top of the list with the creationists, in terms of who I'm targeting as most dangerous to education.
I can certainly appreciate that you place a higher priority on one over the other. No one has unlimited time and energy.
However, the "self-esteem crap" is just as dangerous, as it replaces genuine accomplishment with a false sense of one's own importance in the grand scheme of life, and it tends to generate a sense of entitlement.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:44:34am |
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:44:57am |
re: #459 Walter L. Newton
Your Idealism is commendable, but thank goodness that there are Realist available to come in and clean up the mess when the shit hits the fan.
My friend I am as committed to reality and aware of the challenges we face in the world, for the last 23 years I have worn America's uniform and served her citizens around the world in war and in peace. If there is a mess to clean up, it will be me and people like me who will be called on to bleed and clean up the mess.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:20am |
re: #505 MandyManners
Thank you! He's not handling it well at all. He wants to go see her but there is no way I'll take him.
A good call. It nice that he has been close to his grandmother. My children never really had grandparents.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:21am |
re: #494 jcm
-> How many kids has Department of Education taught?
-> We send an education $ to DC and get 0.35¢ back.
-> 10th Amendment.
along with the disaster of public housing, the worst investment Americans make...look at CA right now....it's a disaster
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:34am |
re: #505 MandyManners
Thank you! He's not handling it well at all. He wants to go see her but there is no way I'll take him.
Oh, Mandy, so very sorry!
I wish you would rethink this. Prepare him for what he'll see, and let him go hold her hand a last time.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:50am |
re: #517 gettinby
{realwest}!
H & H, as usual. (Hot/Humid) How's about you?
Health in check.
Mr. GBy in check.
Doggies in check.By the way, what is a 'short-sell' and is it or can it be a good thing when selling ones home?
RW was ARMY....
He can explain SHORT SHEET, but short sell? ?
/ conspicuously ignoring RW's a JD.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:54am |
re: #514 albusteve
oh look at all the nice clouds over NM!....heh...and there is water in them!
We had not had much rain here lately.....lots of thunderheads and increased humidity, but nothing measurable is making to the ground. Our "monsoonal pattern" has started, so, we can get some real gully washers here in July/August. We only get 7 inches of rain a year, and we get most of that in 3 or 4 big storms. Otherwise.....it is blue skies with not many cloud floating around
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:46:03am |
re: #502 Pianobuff
Way too early to tell... but I had wondered after last week's topic of media bias and Obama's obsession with Fox on GS's round-table if George wasn't signaling that his show would be a little more circumspect. With the alphabet network ratings in the tank they may be getting some heat. I'll still need to see a few more weeks of consistent balanced coverage and questions before my hopes get too high.
Well, he's with ABC and we all know about that network's bias.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:46:23am |
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:46:23am |
re: #516 MandyManners
Thank you for trying to interpet what I tried to type.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:46:44am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:47:01am |
re: #506 realwest
I doubt that. I think Stephanopoulos was instructed to "push that line" to Axelrod so Axelrod could say what he did - you know our POTUS of Hope and Change won't draw any lines in the sand. He lets Pelosi and Reid do that for him in Congress.
I hadn't thought of that.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:47:22am |
re: #493 Walter L. Newton
They never die... but they do not have sufficient support to force us to accept their teaching. They are noisy and inconvenient, but they do not have the final say regarding how we conduct our lives.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:48:12am |
re: #512 Sharmuta
I know- there have been times the love and support of the Lizards has made me cry, but we're a community here, and it's quite true. You are loved.
Thank you!
You're right. This is more than a blog. This is a community.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:48:20am |
re: #519 MandyManners
Close to losing my mind? Yes.
Do you have any family members or friends that can be there with you Mandy?
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:48:35am |
re: #510 Pianobuff
Yep you're right. Shit, and I remember - waaaay back in the day I was so hip even my errors were correct!
Seriously though, President Obama only tests the way the winds blow among his constituency base - the MSM and the Far Left.
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:49:13am |
re: #505 MandyManners
Thank you! He's not handling it well at all. He wants to go see her but there is no way I'll take him.
That has to be one of the toughest decisions for you.
At 7 years old, I was forced (i.e., stop your sniveling, straighten up, etc.) to go to my favorite uncle's hospital bed, and then his funeral.
Even though I was one tough kid (still am!), to this day, 56 years later, I faint in hospitals and at funerals...just can't take it still.
You are a tremendously wise and good mom. You'll know the right thing to do, I'm sure.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:49:40am |
re: #512 Sharmuta
Great and absolutely spot on comment Sharmuta!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:49:41am |
re: #518 reine.de.tout
I can certainly appreciate that you place a higher priority on one over the other. No one has unlimited time and energy.
However, the "self-esteem crap" is just as dangerous, as it replaces genuine accomplishment with a false sense of one's own importance in the grand scheme of life, and it tends to generate a sense of entitlement.
Someone posted a link yesterday to an article about the Niagra school district that has abolished the valedictorian rankings for graduation.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:50:36am |
re: #521 legalpad
A good call. It nice that he has been close to his grandmother. My children never really had grandparents.
He and my mom are thicker than thieves!
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:50:54am |
re: #522 albusteve
along with the disaster of public housing, the worst investment Americans make...look at CA right now....it's a disaster
I'd like two things......
Adherence to the 10th Amend.
Commerce Dept. stay with in bounds of intent. Regulating States so interstate trade between states is fair, it was never intended to regulate businesses that trade interstate.
That would fix most of the issues.
WA is right there with CA, proportionally our deficit hole is just as big.
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:06am |
re: #538 MandyManners
Someone posted a link yesterday to an article about the Niagra school district that has abolished the valedictorian rankings for graduation.
Hey, but everyone on the team deserves a trophy!
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:06am |
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:22am |
re: #518 reine.de.tout
I can certainly appreciate that you place a higher priority on one over the other. No one has unlimited time and energy.
However, the "self-esteem crap" is just as dangerous, as it replaces genuine accomplishment with a false sense of one's own importance in the grand scheme of life, and it tends to generate a sense of entitlement.
Ditto here. In my workplace, there is a large and growing attitude among the younger employees that 'everyone gets a trophy". When it's time for annual reviews, they all feel they should got the top evaluation since they "did their jobs". If one gets promoted and the rest don't it's 6 months of complaining.
When I try to explain that the extra rewards and recognition are for the top performers only while at the same time trying to express general appreciation for everyone who fulfills their basic job duties I get these glassy-eyed looks... a 5 second pause... and then the typical "But I still don't get it. You just said I'm performing my job ok. Why no special bonus for me?
You have to experience it to know how unsettling (and increasingly systemic) this is.
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:24am |
re: #524 jcm
RW was ARMY....
He can explain SHORT SHEET, but short sell? ?/ conspicuously ignoring RW's a JD.
LOL
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:28am |
re: #523 reine.de.tout
Oh, Mandy, so very sorry!
I wish you would rethink this. Prepare him for what he'll see, and let him go hold her hand a last time.
She's hooked up to four IV's, feeding tube, a ventilator and some other things. It would terrify him.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:51am |
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:52:04am |
re: #387 Pianobuff
And the fact that the debate for some is more about how she responds than what preceded is revealing.
What do you presume has been revealed? I know Kerry is not worth a tinker's damn. I do not expect better from him.
Let's get something straight, everybody here who thinks I'm some crypto-leftist or whatever it is.
I criticise Republicans because I am a Republican, and want my party to do better than it has recently; in election results, in personal responsibility, in economic policy. With the expection of muscular foreign policy, recent decades of Republicans have left me bitterly disappointed.
You sound pretty hard for the guard with the Republicans, right? So what do you think we should do about our own disgusting failures--complain that the Democrats aren't better, or clean up our own house?
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:52:08am |
re: #538 MandyManners
Someone posted a link yesterday to an article about the Niagra school district that has abolished the valedictorian rankings for graduation.
They when they get rejected applying for a job, their first thought is to sue cause it's their right to have a job.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:52:49am |
re: #528 filetandrelease
Thank you for trying to interpet what I tried to type.
Eh. Your meaning was very clear.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:52:55am |
re: #538 MandyManners
Someone posted a link yesterday to an article about the Niagra school district that has abolished the valedictorian rankings for graduation.
next they will abolish all awards....there will be no need for a graduation
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:53:03am |
re: #520 shanec99
Thank you for your service.
re: #531 shanec99
They never die... but they do not have sufficient support to force us to accept their teaching. They are noisy and inconvenient, but they do not have the final say regarding how we conduct our lives.
One of the reasons these people remain on the fringe is because others are vigilant in making sure that's where they stay. My guess is that if more Americans knew about these groups and how they're pushing creationism/ID, they would take another look at what it is they think they're supporting in ID. This has been one of the many things to come out of the ID debates on LGF. I didn't know what a scam it was until Charles linked to the Wedge Strategy in a thread. After that- I was done thinking there's nothing wrong with ID. The debate does make a difference. I know, because besides making a difference for me, I've seen it make a difference for other Lizards- some who have said so to Charles, and some who have said so to me. Without the debate- I would still be ignorant.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:53:47am |
re: #529 albusteve
okay...you suck
Easy there pal.. The most devastating moment in my life is when my Mom died from Cancer. Mandy is going through Hell right now.
I'm sure your smart ass comment was meant to be funny....But it wasn't bro...
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Fluffy Bunny Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:53:52am |
Good morning {Realwest}!
Thank you for keeping/posting the Prayer List. My Oncologist surprised us with plastic champagne flutes and apple juice to celebrate the great news.
The tumor was 16cm, so recovery will take a few weeks. Compared to the pre-surgery prognosis, this is a walk in the park.
You have been in my thoughts and prayers!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:54:11am |
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:54:27am |
re: #538 MandyManners
Someone posted a link yesterday to an article about the Niagra school district that has abolished the valedictorian rankings for graduation.
That mentality is damaging to the kids. Once they get out of school, the newly minted "adults" soon realize that the world is not fair and that you only get out of it what you put into it. Pumping up kids with phony-balony imaginary confidence, rewarding ANY effort and basically defying the laws of human nature do more harm than any puffed up feel good nonsense these educators hope to give the kids with this.
Reward success and encourage the kids to be the best they can be....that is what they should be doing.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:54:31am |
re: #517 gettinby
Well a "short-sell" is when the Seller puts the sales price at something just at or slightly below that amount which is owed to the Lender and usually requires the Lender's approval as well since the Lender will be losing principal from the loan.
Whether or not it's a good deal for the Seller depends, obviously, on what happens with regard to the deficiency in sales proceeds and the amount the Lender is owed.
Some states don't allow, either by legislation or judicial history, to allow a mortgage lender to sue an individual(s) for the difference between what the Lender gets on a short sale OR on a foreclosure and what the principle balance of the loan is.
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:54:57am |
re: #543 Pianobuff
That is one reason I sold my last company. Too many employees all wanting a trophy. Cooperate American bought it and it just became worse.(much) Now I have 3 employees, its' great.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:55:03am |
re: #534 legalpad
Do you have any family members or friends that can be there with you Mandy?
My dad.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:55:15am |
re: #552 HoosierHoops
Easy there pal.. The most devastating moment in my life is when my Mom died from Cancer. Mandy is going through Hell right now.
I'm sure your smart ass comment was meant to be funny....But it wasn't bro...
You brought a smile to Mandy.....
OK I suck
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:01am |
re: #520 shanec99
Thank you for your service to our Nation.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:12am |
re: #536 gettinby
That has to be one of the toughest decisions for you.
At 7 years old, I was forced (i.e., stop your sniveling, straighten up, etc.) to go to my favorite uncle's hospital bed, and then his funeral.
Even though I was one tough kid (still am!), to this day, 56 years later, I faint in hospitals and at funerals...just can't take it still.
You are a tremendously wise and good mom. You'll know the right thing to do, I'm sure.
Thank you.
I cannot imagine the horror you endured.
((((((gettingby))))))
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:44am |
re: #547 haakondahl
I'm conservative / libertarian / classical liberal.
I vote (R) more than (D) because there closer to my political bent.
I'll whack anyone that deserves it, (R)s harder than (D)s 'cause I expect more from them.
I'll whack J F'n K any chance I get, he's a jackass who betrayed our troops.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:47am |
re: #540 jcm
I read where 3000 people a day are leaving CA...hemorrhaging tax payers
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:59am |
re: #557 realwest
Ah. Okay and thanks.
If I throw in Mr. GBy, that should equal out any deficiency! LOL
Really, thanks {real}!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:58:12am |
re: #541 filetandrelease
Hey, but everyone on the team deserves a trophy!
When they're little, I think they do deserve them for participating. You know, for T-ball and other games for kids that age.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:58:19am |
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:58:37am |
re: #556 Desert Dog
That mentality is damaging to the kids. Once they get out of school, the newly minted "adults" soon realize that the world is not fair and that you only get out of it what you put into it. Pumping up kids with phony-balony imaginary confidence, rewarding ANY effort and basically defying the laws of human nature do more harm than any puffed up feel good nonsense these educators hope to give the kids with this.
Reward success and encourage the kids to be the best they can be....that is what they should be doing.
When I was 4-ish my parents discovered I was "gifted" and placed me in one of the ritzier private establishments where the celebs and other wealthier elements sent their kids. Real spoiled brats who liked to take out their frustrations on the "hoi polloi," i.e. people like me.
I'll just say that even at 21, having dropped out of there after a rich kid started a fight with me and probably bought the faculty, and seeing my two little bros lead "pop-punk" lives with more friends then I've probably ever had, that's a very hard thing to do.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:58:42am |
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:58:43am |
re: #564 albusteve
I read where 3000 people a day are leaving CA...hemorrhaging tax payers
I used to come here, but not any more.....NM now?
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:01am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:08am |
re: #541 filetandrelease
Hey, but everyone on the team deserves a trophy!
Only if it's a team victory.
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:10am |
re: #563 jcm
I'm conservative / libertarian / classical liberal.
I vote (R) more than (D) because there closer to my political bent.
I'll whack anyone that deserves it, (R)s harder than (D)s 'cause I expect more from them.I'll whack J F'n K any chance I get, he's a jackass who betrayed our troops.
Amen and what he said.
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:22am |
re: #551 Sharmuta
I made an attempt to bring the ID debate up with my brother who was unfamiliar with it. It degrading into a definition argument of ID. IE, a BMW is represenitive of ID. I even googled ID to show him the top 10 would all be religious based, we had to go through them all, he still wasn't convinced. So I kicked his ass. (JK)
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:34am |
I love this blog. I think it's so incredible we can have such a wide variety of discussions and butt heads over things, and turn around and have such compassion and support for each other. It's beautiful.
Just wanted to say that.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:40am |
re: #546 albusteve
conspiritors eh?...nice
Yes, and I'm sometimes the target of their nefarious plots.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:49am |
re: #564 albusteve
I read where 3000 people a day are leaving CA...hemorrhaging tax payers
WA is still growing, however business is stagnant.
The advantage and people are willing to "pay" for it. Is you can leave work at 5 on Friday and be at a wilderness campsite before the sunsets.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:15am |
re: #548 jcm
They when they get rejected applying for a job, their first thought is to sue cause it's their right to have a job.
Cruel, cruel world!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:40am |
re: #550 albusteve
next they will abolish all awards....there will be no need for a graduation
I don't think it will get that far.
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itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:01:07am |
re: #545 MandyManners
{Mandy}
If your boy has seen the like on tv already, maybe just a quick look would be ok, compared to the mystery of not being able to see her? I don't know, never had to guide a child through this. No professional child shrink/counselors here? Heck, I can barely take ths sight of this stuff even now, but it's the world.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:01:23am |
re: #573 gettinby
Amen and what he said.
Need a better name than conservative / libertarian / classical liberal, is too cumbersome, and requires explaining to too many people.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:01:23am |
re: #552 HoosierHoops
Easy there pal.. The most devastating moment in my life is when my Mom died from Cancer. Mandy is going through Hell right now.
I'm sure your smart ass comment was meant to be funny....But it wasn't bro...
It sent me into a fit of laughter.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:02:22am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:02:22am |
re: #556 Desert Dog
That mentality is damaging to the kids. Once they get out of school, the newly minted "adults" soon realize that the world is not fair and that you only get out of it what you put into it. Pumping up kids with phony-balony imaginary confidence, rewarding ANY effort and basically defying the laws of human nature do more harm than any puffed up feel good nonsense these educators hope to give the kids with this.
Reward success and encourage the kids to be the best they can be....that is what they should be doing.
I showed up! Now, gimme' some money!
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filetandrelease Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:14am |
re: #566 MandyManners
so it begins. .... I have to admit, this area is difficult. I am inclined to think that perhaps none do at that age. If only because of the precident you set. later when they don't get one (not) they would become unnecessarily dissapointed.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:14am |
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gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:20am |
re: #581 jcm
Need a better name than conservative / libertarian / classical liberal, is too cumbersome, and requires explaining to too many people.
Common-senser (sensor?)
Realisterarian
Classy Classical
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swamprat Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:26am |
re: #472 haakondahl
Great point, though it's a shame that we don't get that worked up over the other unmitigated crap that passes for education.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:28am |
re: #582 MandyManners
It sent me into a fit of laughter.
My Bad... It's nice that you can laugh....
May you and your son be strong today....I know the pain you feel in your heart
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:48am |
re: #575 Sharmuta
I love this blog. I think it's so incredible we can have such a wide variety of discussions and butt heads over things, and turn around and have such compassion and support for each other. It's beautiful.
Just wanted to say that.
What are you talking about!? This is a right-wing blog! It's supposed to be full of "lib'ral hatin' intolerance" and things like that! IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!
/ c:
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:48am |
re: #574 filetandrelease
Yeah- my family member who thought she should turn her family on to ID wasn't real happy when I corrected her. She thought that because my interest in evolution was more recent than hers that I couldn't possible know what I was talking about. I said she might know more about evolution, but that I knew more about ID. Then I let it go. You can only lead a horse to water. If the person isn't open minded/curious enough to look into it themselves, there's not much anyone can say or do.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:02am |
re: #575 Sharmuta
I love this blog. I think it's so incredible we can have such a wide variety of discussions and butt heads over things, and turn around and have such compassion and support for each other. It's beautiful.
Just wanted to say that.
A gamillion up-dings!
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itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:27am |
re: #543 Pianobuff
Ditto here. In my workplace, there is a large and growing attitude among the younger employees that 'everyone gets a trophy". When it's time for annual reviews, they all feel they should got the top evaluation since they "did their jobs". If one gets promoted and the rest don't it's 6 months of complaining.
When I try to explain that the extra rewards and recognition are for the top performers only while at the same time trying to express general appreciation for everyone who fulfills their basic job duties I get these glassy-eyed looks... a 5 second pause... and then the typical "But I still don't get it. You just said I'm performing my job ok. Why no special bonus for me?
You have to experience it to know how unsettling (and increasingly systemic) this is.
Yup. More so, it's the first and second level managers who feel this way, too. The other side of this (as Ayn Rand points out) is that the real achievers feel pissed. You may guess the results.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:48am |
re: #570 Desert Dog
I used to come here, but not any more.....NM now?
yes, Santa Fe and Rio Rancho (north of and adjacent to ABQ)....it's starting to have a feel to it...people in RR are less easy going, faster paced, easily agitated....Santa Fe is just nutty left...Californians have a distinct attitude you might say
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:51am |
re: #547 haakondahl
Well you know haakondahl, all the Dems did during Bush's 8 years was bitch and moan - not one fucking NEW idea at all.
And yet, surprise, surprise, they won it ALL - House, Senate and White House - last November.
Clean up our own house? Sure, first let's start with who should be in our house and how do we chuck out those who don't belong?!
Michael Steele e-mailed me a while back, when I e-mailed him to bitch and moan about Collins and Snowe's vote on the Stimulus Bill that he couldn't make anyone drop the "R" after their name, but he did plan on finding and funding primary opposition to some "Republicans" - I also complained about Specter, but he took care of that himself.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:05:27am |
re: #568 laZardo
Kumusta ang lagay ng panahon? May bagyo ba?
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:00am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:09am |
re: #580 itellu3times
{Mandy}
If your boy has seen the like on tv already, maybe just a quick look would be ok, compared to the mystery of not being able to see her? I don't know, never had to guide a child through this. No professional child shrink/counselors here? Heck, I can barely take ths sight of this stuff even now, but it's the world.
Between the feeding tube and the ventilator's tube, he won't really see her. He has a shrink to help him with his ADHD issues so I'll be calling him tomorrow. The ICU has an age limit but I don't know what it is.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:13am |
re: #596 realwest
Well you know haakondahl, all the Dems did during Bush's 8 years was bitch and moan - not one fucking NEW idea at all.
And yet, surprise, surprise, they won it ALL - House, Senate and White House - last November.
Clean up our own house? Sure, first let's start with who should be in our house and how do we chuck out those who don't belong?!
Michael Steele e-mailed me a while back, when I e-mailed him to bitch and moan about Collins and Snowe's vote on the Stimulus Bill that he couldn't make anyone drop the "R" after their name, but he did plan on finding and funding primary opposition to some "Republicans" - I also complained about Specter, but he took care of that himself.
"How can you say they're not 'new' ideas when those money-grubbing neocons never allowed those ideas to progress in the first place!?"
/like I said, I make this look good.
//raybans on
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:24am |
Yesterday, it was so cold in Edmonton, the furnance kicked in...and it's been one of the driest June's in history...(cold plus drought...great combo)..
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:33am |
re: #519 MandyManners
Close to losing my mind? Yes.
Hang in there. We're here for you, and it's not your turn to go nuts, not yet.
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lawhawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:57am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. NJ is about to pass a disastrous budget, even as the media types are falling over themselves over how fiscally responsible this year's budget is. They have no choice but admit it was done with smoke and mirrors and that future budgets are going to be doubly disastrous because this year's budget is balanced on the backs of the federal stimulus bailout and one-shot chicanery. Yet, they congratulate Gov. Corzine for making difficult choices. It's absurd on its face.
Meanwhile, over in NY, they're finding out that politicians claiming to represent one district actually live somewhere completely different.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:01am |
re: #597 laZardo
Anti-idiotarian?
/"don't care who says it, I just hate idiocy."
I think I used, Rationalist awhile back.
Thing is nothing but idiocy exists inside the beltway.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:03am |
re: #551 Sharmuta
Thank you for your service.
re: #531 shanec99
One of the reasons these people remain on the fringe is because others are vigilant in making sure that's where they stay. My guess is that if more Americans knew about these groups and how they're pushing creationism/ID, they would take another look at what it is they think they're supporting in ID. This has been one of the many things to come out of the ID debates on LGF. I didn't know what a scam it was until Charles linked to the Wedge Strategy in a thread. After that- I was done thinking there's nothing wrong with ID. The debate does make a difference. I know, because besides making a difference for me, I've seen it make a difference for other Lizards- some who have said so to Charles, and some who have said so to me. Without the debate- I would still be ignorant.
The reason why they are on the fringe like the communists and the various other fringe groups is because their ideas have been examined and found to be so wanting as to discredit them. Their arguments cannot endure scruitiny, so reasonable and informed people reject them.... it is always that way with ideologies.
Reasonable, logical people reject ideas that give them no advantage. In a modern, sophisticated world adhering to the ID ideology will not give any advantage to most people (a small minority will find it advantageous to adhere to it to sell books, or use it to in districts where many people are not well informed).
I have no worries about ID ever being accepted as mainstream science... that debate is over like any claims to sanity that Kim Jung Ill had prior to 1990.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:06am |
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:10am |
re: #569 MandyManners
A bickering one, at that.
Pretty much all the elements. We ought to have some system where some of us can visit people who could benefit from it. Churches do that. We'd need some sort of screening transition from virtual to real. I don't know. I just see a little of what you are experiencing and if we really knew each other, I'd probably come visit, just for support, and so would so many others here. And really, isn't that true of many of the other situations, considering realwest's list?
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:14am |
re: #598 Desert Dog
Only until this afternoon, 'bout the time I went to gym.
I've noticed that only about 10 times in the 4 years I've been going to gym have I ever come back home in pouring rain without an umbrella. Hmm.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:15am |
re: #565 gettinby
No problem! Glad I was able to help some.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:30am |
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:34am |
re: #604 haakondahl
Hang in there. We're here for you, and it's not your turn to go nuts, not yet.
It's not all it's cracked up to be........
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:41am |
re: #595 albusteve
yes, Santa Fe and Rio Rancho (north of and adjacent to ABQ)....it's starting to have a feel to it...people in RR are less easy going, faster paced, easily agitated....Santa Fe is just nutty left...Californians have a distinct attitude you might say
I had an uncle from CA that moved to Santa Fe in the 80's. He came back a changed man. I think the Californians that arrive change Santa Fe a little, but it's Santa Fe that changes them more.
Rio Rancho is an Intel town.....like Chandler here.....I can see that place changing. Too bad, I like NM and the attitude of the people there...it's a cool place.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:08:20am |
re: #561 realwest
Thank you for your service to our Nation.
Thank you for your support. It has been my privilege.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:08:41am |
re: #580 itellu3times
{Mandy}
If your boy has seen the like on tv already, maybe just a quick look would be ok, compared to the mystery of not being able to see her? I don't know, never had to guide a child through this. No professional child shrink/counselors here? Heck, I can barely take ths sight of this stuff even now, but it's the world.
It's not just kids. When my grandmother passed a year and a half ago, I went to look at her in her coffin. I only stayed a moment, because it wasn't the woman I remembered. When we got the call that it was our last chance to view her before they closed the casket, I stayed behind. I wanted to remember her as she was in life. It was too difficult to see her that way. I can't imagine how a child would take it.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:09:39am |
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:09:41am |
re: #577 jcm
WA is still growing, however business is stagnant.
The advantage and people are willing to "pay" for it. Is you can leave work at 5 on Friday and be at a wilderness campsite before the sunsets.
state wide NM is a couple of points below the unemployment avg...but it's a small population, we can tak care of ourselves, but cannot handle masses of job seekers...I think it will get worse tho...and btw, 30 min out of ABQ in any direction is wilderness...vast and empty...sweet
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:09:41am |
re: #610 laZardo
Only until this afternoon, 'bout the time I went to gym.
I've noticed that only about 10 times in the 4 years I've been going to gym have I ever come back home in pouring rain without an umbrella. Hmm.
My wife does not miss the typhoons....she is content with cloudless skies and no rain.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:11:04am |
re: #619 albusteve
state wide NM is a couple of points below the unemployment avg...but it's a small population, we can tak care of ourselves, but cannot handle masses of job seekers...I think it will get worse tho...and btw, 30 min out of ABQ in any direction is wilderness...vast and empty...sweet
I love that area up west of Los Alamos...beautiful.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:11:37am |
re: #607 shanec99
But the IDers keep promoting their agenda because not everyone realizes the scientific debate has no merit. This is why scientists are still having to battle them. They use lies to promote themselves, and if others didn't point this out, then the IDers get a free pass, and that's worse than the debate.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:12:11am |
re: #620 Desert Dog
Nothing really bad has hit Manila in a while. I kinda miss curling up in bed when a typhoon cancels school/college. Really relaxing until I realized there was still homework due. D:
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itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:13:04am |
re: #616 Sharmuta
I had the same experience as you, though it was some years ago now - a brief look, and I was sorry I had. Yet, maybe it was not the look but the facts coming home that really hit me, that has to happen sometime.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:13:20am |
re: #586 filetandrelease
so it begins. .... I have to admit, this area is difficult. I am inclined to think that perhaps none do at that age. If only because of the precident you set. later when they don't get one (not) they would become unnecessarily dissapointed.
The rules laid out to parents our first season of T-ball was that excessive cheering for our kids was frowned upon, and woe unto anyone who booed the other team. So, we cheered for EVERYONE.
Giving a five-year-old child a trophy for T-ball does not mean that he or she will carry that attitude over into the minor league. I don't know about other kids but, when The Kid talked about his trophies for T-ball, he told me that they weren't really earned, that they were just toys.
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razorbacker Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:13:33am |
DORMITORY:
When you rearrange the letters:
DIRTY ROOM
PRESBYTERIAN:
When you rearrange the letters:
BEST IN PRAYER
ASTRONOMER:
When you rearrange the letters:
MOON STARER
DESPERATION:
When you rearrange the letters:
A ROPE ENDS IT
THE EYES:
When you rearrange the letters:
THEY SEE
GEORGE BUSH:
When you rearrange the letters:
HE BUGS GORE
THE MORSE CODE :
When you rearrange the letters:
HERE COME DOTS
SLOT MACHINES:
When you rearrange the letters:
CASH LOST IN ME
ANIMOSITY:
When you rearrange the letters:
IS NO AMITY
ELECTION RESULTS:
When you rearrange the letters:
LIES - LET'S RECOUNT
SNOOZE ALARMS:
When you rearrange the letters:
ALAS! NO MORE Z 'S
A DECIMAL POINT:
When you rearrange the letters:
IM A DOT IN PLACE
THE EARTHQUAKES:
When you rearrange the letters:
THAT QUEER SHAKE
ELEVEN PLUS TWO:
When you rearrange the letters:
TWELVE PLUS ONE
AND FOR THE GRAND FINALE:
MOTHER-IN-LAW:
When you rearrange the letters:
WOMAN HITLER
*stole it*
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:14:12am |
re: #605 lawhawk
They have no choice but admit it was done with smoke and mirrors and that future budgets are going to be doubly disastrous because this year's budget is balanced on the backs of the federal stimulus bailout and one-shot chicanery.
How many jobs will trickle down from that federal stimulus money in Jersey? None. Great job Corzine!
Again, the government comes to our rescue, the results of their plans are different from what they though would happen, and the laws of unintended consequences don't ever seem to be considered. All the stimulus money that was to create jobs is spent bailing out fiscal irresponsibility, helping neither the citizens or the state governments, but we still got the bill. How depressing.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:14:20am |
StumbleON alertre: #610 laZardo
My wife is asking what university you are attending.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:14:28am |
UNCLE!
Gonna' get some coffee and rouse The Kid.
Thank you all.
bbiab
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:15:36am |
re: #589 swamprat
Great point, though it's a shame that we don't get that worked up over the other unmitigated crap that passes for education.
Coupla points. As far as just plain quality, everybody is working on that, as they see appropriate. We can't win against the Socialism just now, as it is far too entrenched, and at any rate, we've been fighting that one forever.
The problem with ID is that the threat comes from within our own ranks, which goes back to my other point about cleaning our own house.
Also, the ID problem is a recent resurgence, and at any rate, if we lose the science classrooms to the dark ages, we will lose all of the rest. Critical thinking is the "second amendment of education".
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:16:32am |
Gotta run for now - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!
Have a great day y'all!
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:16:43am |
re: #547 haakondahl
What do you presume has been revealed? I know Kerry is not worth a tinker's damn. I do not expect better from him.
Let's get something straight, everybody here who thinks I'm some crypto-leftist or whatever it is.
I criticise Republicans because I am a Republican, and want my party to do better than it has recently; in election results, in personal responsibility, in economic policy. With the expection of muscular foreign policy, recent decades of Republicans have left me bitterly disappointed.
You sound pretty hard for the guard with the Republicans, right? So what do you think we should do about our own disgusting failures--complain that the Democrats aren't better, or clean up our own house?
Whoa, cowboy. First off, I haven't said you are a crypto-leftist, but perhaps your comment was directed at someone else. I think the most revealing thing is the willingness for R's to over-obsess about how to play (and how well we are playing) defense on this kind of stuff. Palin tried to make light of it. I think she did fine. You do not. Fine.
Having said that, you know well that PDS is pervasive among some R's too, so party line is not a distinguishing factor. There are people on both sides of the aisle that can't stand her. What is your personal opinion of Palin?
As for what I'm doing.... I write letters every week. Call elected officials several times per week. I've re-directed how our contributions are flowing in order to (in some small way) influence which candidates are put forward and which policies are promoted. I'm looking into local tea parties for July 4 to see if there are any that are fairly well-inoculated from craziness. If I find the right one I'll go.
I am curious though... since this all started with Palin's reaction to Kerry's insult - Was her response an example of a disgusting failure? Is Palin a disgusting failure?
I'm just trying to understand how you moved from the original topic to your post above.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:16:58am |
Iran detains some local staff at British Embassy
Iranian authorities have detained several local employees of the British Embassy in Tehran, a move that Britain's foreign secretary Sunday called "harassment and intimidation" and reflected a hardening of the regime's stance toward the West. The European Union condemned the arrests.
Iranian media said eight local embassy staff were detained for an alleged role in postelection protests, but gave no further details. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said "about nine" employees were detained Saturday and that four had been released.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:17:15am |
re: #622 Sharmuta
But the IDers keep promoting their agenda because not everyone realizes the scientific debate has no merit. This is why scientists are still having to battle them. They use lies to promote themselves, and if others didn't point this out, then the IDers get a free pass, and that's worse than the debate.
When it came up here I was ready to defend teaching both points of view.
After looking into it, the Wedge Strategy etc... I was first and foremost offended as a Christian they were mis-using faith, and leading so many astray for political advantage. They aren't really interested in an honest debate, it's political pure and simple, and they are lying to welling meaning people of faith to gain the support of those people who aren't critically examining the issue.
| 636 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:17:17am |
re: #614 Desert Dog
I had an uncle from CA that moved to Santa Fe in the 80's. He came back a changed man. I think the Californians that arrive change Santa Fe a little, but it's Santa Fe that changes them more.
Rio Rancho is an Intel town.....like Chandler here.....I can see that place changing. Too bad, I like NM and the attitude of the people there...it's a cool place.
Sante Fe is a very unique place and we all love it....compared to ABQ it is snooty and expensive, but it's the jewel of the SW...I live in the north valley of ABQ....absolutely love it
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redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:18:35am |
re: #621 Desert Dog
I love that area up west of Los Alamos...beautiful.
Thems my stompin grounds,,,,,
good morning to you lizards......
I usually just lurk about letting the lizards hash things out....I must say, I have learned more about how the world works and current events here than I ever have from the MSM.....
| 638 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:18:51am |
re: #607 shanec99
I have no worries about ID ever being accepted as mainstream science... that debate is over like any claims to sanity that Kim Jung Ill had prior to 1990.
I hope you're right but fear you're wrong. ID legislation, or legislation allowing 'alternatives to evolution' to be taught in public schools, are being brought forth in 15 or 20 states. Most of the upper GOP believe in creation. Worse, there's a significant push to discredit and attack Darwin.
| 639 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:19:58am |
re: #596 realwest
Well you know haakondahl, all the Dems did during Bush's 8 years was bitch and moan - not one fucking NEW idea at all.
And yet, surprise, surprise, they won it ALL - House, Senate and White House - last November.
Clean up our own house? Sure, first let's start with who should be in our house and how do we chuck out those who don't belong?!
Michael Steele e-mailed me a while back, when I e-mailed him to bitch and moan about Collins and Snowe's vote on the Stimulus Bill that he couldn't make anyone drop the "R" after their name, but he did plan on finding and funding primary opposition to some "Republicans" - I also complained about Specter, but he took care of that himself.
Real, we can also win through dishonest populism and demagoguery, but the results won't be any better. I don't care what the Democrats did, and I barely care what they do. I'm (trying to be) focused on the things we can change, God grant me the wisdom, and all of that.
| 640 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:12am |
re: #622 Sharmuta
But the IDers keep promoting their agenda because not everyone realizes the scientific debate has no merit. This is why scientists are still having to battle them. They use lies to promote themselves, and if others didn't point this out, then the IDers get a free pass, and that's worse than the debate.
To date I have not met any educated person who believes that ID has a scientific basis. People "believe" it because it is part of the earliest creation story they learned in Sunday school, but they recognize that the idea belongs in Sunday School and not Chemistry, biology or Physics class.
To debate people who dogmtically defend ID as science is about as useful as debating that the world is flat with a person who is scientifically illiterate and adheres slavishly to that point of view. It is an exercise in futility and not worthy of consideration.
| 641 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:45am |
re: #596 realwest
Well you know haakondahl, all the Dems did during Bush's 8 years was bitch and moan - not one fucking NEW idea at all.
And yet, surprise, surprise, they won it ALL - House, Senate and White House - last November.
You really believe that?
You think it was an accident that the Dems won in 2006, and took everything in 2008?
You think it's luck that Obama hammered McCain as much as he did?
You don't have to like or agree with the Democrats to figure out that SOMETHING huge changed. One of the things that changed was their strategy.
The Repubs are now where the Dems were from 2000-2006-- trapped in whining about a lost election, running around biting their own tails.
The sooner the republicans regroup and restrategise, the better for the GOP. And the sooner the US has a good and strong opposition party, the better for all Americans.
| 642 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:21:11am |
re: #637 redneckkahfir
Thems my stompin grounds,,,,,
good morning to you lizards......I usually just lurk about letting the lizards hash things out....I must say, I have learned more about how the world works and current events here than I ever have from the MSM.....
Luck guy to live up there.....
| 643 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:21:26am |
re: #543 Pianobuff
Ditto here. In my workplace, there is a large and growing attitude among the younger employees that 'everyone gets a trophy". When it's time for annual reviews, they all feel they should got the top evaluation since they "did their jobs". If one gets promoted and the rest don't it's 6 months of complaining.
When I try to explain that the extra rewards and recognition are for the top performers only while at the same time trying to express general appreciation for everyone who fulfills their basic job duties I get these glassy-eyed looks... a 5 second pause... and then the typical "But I still don't get it. You just said I'm performing my job ok. Why no special bonus for me?
You have to experience it to know how unsettling (and increasingly systemic) this is.
I saw the same thing happen.
People thought a "satisfactory" job rating was a bad thing.
Everybody wanted "outstanding". Not everyone performs "outstanding". And it's OK to be "satisfactory".
| 644 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:21:36am |
| 645 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:22:56am |
re: #635 jcm
When it came up here I was ready to defend teaching both points of view.
After looking into it, the Wedge Strategy etc... I was first and foremost offended as a Christian they were mis-using faith, and leading so many astray for political advantage. They aren't really interested in an honest debate, it's political pure and simple, and they are lying to welling meaning people of faith to gain the support of those people who aren't critically examining the issue.
Exactly! I likewise didn't see the problem. I have faith, and science has never troubled me, so I thought it was just a nice merging of the two. It was the Wedge that made me realize that's not what these folks are trying to do.
But I know you and I see this very similarly. Not just the disco dewds, but that the debate has been important for the very reasons you cite. They are lying for Jesus, and I'm not alone in finding that offensive.
| 647 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:24:40am |
Obama has EVERYONE fooled...
Chavez slams Honduras 'coup', urges Obama to speak out
Chavez thinks Obama will speak out about anything? You must be kidding.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:25:55am |
re: #647 Walter L. Newton
Obama has EVERYONE fooled...
Chavez slams Honduras 'coup', urges Obama to speak out
Chavez thinks Obama will speak out about anything? You must be kidding.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Obama what to know what make, model and color the coupe is first.
| 649 |
redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:26:15am |
it figures....the first time I catch up too the leading egde of the thread, I kill it.
| 650 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:26:41am |
Here comes the race card...
"Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers"
(He certainly blurred the line between black and white)
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
| 652 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:27:12am |
re: #649 redneckkahfir
it figures....the first time I catch up too the leading egde of the thread, I kill it.
You didn't kill anything. What are you talking about?
| 653 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:27:21am |
re: #650 Walter L. Newton
Here comes the race card...
"Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers"
(He certainly blurred the line between black and white)
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
I never bought a MJ album.
I'm I a racist?
| 655 |
redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:17am |
I realized that when i got here, I really don't have anything profound to say.
| 656 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:17am |
re: #633 Pianobuff
Whoa, cowboy. First off, I haven't said you are a crypto-leftist, but perhaps your comment was directed at someone else. I think the most revealing thing is the willingness for R's to over-obsess about how to play (and how well we are playing) defense on this kind of stuff. Palin tried to make light of it. I think she did fine. You do not. Fine.
Having said that, you know well that PDS is pervasive among some R's too, so party line is not a distinguishing factor. There are people on both sides of the aisle that can't stand her. What is your personal opinion of Palin?
I am curious though... since this all started with Palin's reaction to Kerry's insult - Was her response an example of a disgusting failure? Is Palin a disgusting failure?
Absolutely not, on both counts.
I'm just trying to understand how you moved from the original topic to your post above.
I expanded scope from a specific point to a thread of criticism I keep encountering here, every time I take a Republican to task for something. In your comment, which I am fairly sure was directed at me, you said that criticism of Palin rather than Kerry revealed more about me than Palin, or someting quite close too that. The insinuation is not a good one, and I am pleased to report that I am not "that guy".
| 657 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:29am |
re: #607 shanec99
I have no worries about ID ever being accepted as mainstream science.
It won't be. But that isn't the point, and it isn't what the IDers are attempting. They're using evolution as a backdoor to get a fundamentalist Christian curriculum adopted in the public schools under the guise of science. Suggest to a creationist that ID be taught where it belongs - as part of a comparative religions class that examines the beliefs of many different religions in context of their history and dogma - and you will be subjected to shrieks and wails of anger and anguish. Because it's only their agenda that they want pushed; holding their view of the universe up for comparison with others simply isn't going to work for them, not to mention that the whole idea of exposing children to any belief systems other than their own is an idea that will send you straight to the flaming pits of Hell in their view.
If it had anything to do with science, they would be doing actual research and publishing actual papers in actual peer-reviewed journals in order to promote their theory. But they don't even have a theory - they have faith, which exists completely outside the realm of science. Science itself may be safe from them, but the children in America's public schools most certainly are not. It is their ultimate goal to impose a fundamentalist theocracy on the nation, and the public schools are one route toward that goal, as surely as usurpation of the GOP is another.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:35am |
re: #635 jcm
When it came up here I was ready to defend teaching both points of view.
Exactly, It sounds so innocuous: "teach the controversy!" or "teach both sides!"
Then you realise it's about wedging theology into science.
It's like someone who still believes the earth is the center of the universe (not coincidentally, also a religious/science clash at one point) insisting that we 'teach the controversy' in our physics or astronomy classes.
ID can stay where it belongs: in philosophy classes when properly taught, or in theology classes when larded with Christian theology.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:37am |
re: #640 shanec99
But there are people who are unaware that there is a problem. And some of these people have benefitted from the debate. I am one of them. JCM just stated he was too, and I know Reine was likewise influenced by the debate on LGF. These are just three examples. Without the debate, we would not know we're being misled. I appreciate that Charles brought this to the forefront and I support him when he says he's not going to drop it, because if he gets through to even just one more person, then I think it's worth it. The Truth deserves allies.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:52am |
re: #651 laZardo
Heh, thanks. I'm majoring in ID.
/ C:
So you do believe in intelligent design?
Hope so 'cause I deal with some less than intelligent designs.
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razorbacker Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:29:08am |
Crap. Electronic crap. Expensive crap. But electronic, expensive crap is still crap.
Dear Wen Jia,
I do not understand how web-based support can help me with a unit that does not power on, and can not be recognized by a computer.
I will tell you what I do understand, though. I understand that I bought three Creative MP3 players for myself and my family. I bought a Creative Zen Micro, a Creative Zen V Plus, and a Creative Mosaic. Two of the three units have self-destructed.
Why would I be so stupid as to purchase any other products from Creative? Looking at the evidence of my purchases I am a slow learner, but once the lesson is learned it is learned forever.
The lesson is that Creative products do not work, and that Creative makes money selling product warranties, not products.
Thank you for your advise, and the unspoken advise that I hear loud and clear. Buy an IPod.
Sincerely,
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:29:53am |
re: #650 Walter L. Newton
Here comes the race card...
"Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers"
(He certainly blurred the line between black and white)
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
yup...turned himself into a pastey grey...you go Mike!
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:29:53am |
re: #650 Walter L. Newton
How quickly everyone forgets James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, the Supremes, Gladys Knight and the Pips, etc, etc.
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:30:23am |
re: #643 reine.de.tout
People thought a "satisfactory" job rating was a bad thing.
Everybody wanted "outstanding". Not everyone performs "outstanding". And it's OK to be "satisfactory".
I have to give employee reviews. Corporate wants us to use a grading system of 1-5, 3 being satisfactory.
My best employees grade themselves much better and closer to my grading of them, than the lacking or satisfactory employees, which grade themselves much higher than I do.
There's clearly a disconnect in expectations and performance with the lacking employees, though I strive to keep setting expectations.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:30:36am |
re: #655 redneckkahfir
I realized that when i got here, I really don't have anything profound to say.
That explains the profile. We'll be sure to scroll past you then.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:31:05am |
re: #641 iceweasel
You really believe that?
You think it was an accident that the Dems won in 2006, and took everything in 2008?
You think it's luck that Obama hammered McCain as much as he did?You don't have to like or agree with the Democrats to figure out that SOMETHING huge changed. One of the things that changed was their strategy.
The Repubs are now where the Dems were from 2000-2006-- trapped in whining about a lost election, running around biting their own tails.
The sooner the republicans regroup and restrategise, the better for the GOP. And the sooner the US has a good and strong opposition party, the better for all Americans.
You are correct, of course, that the Republicans have to stop whining. You do not win by being negative, you must be positive.
I would say that the Dems find themselves in power now not just because they came up with fresh ideas (hardly) and had a positive message (empty) . They won because the country grew weary of the bad leadership the Republicans offered them. And, they won the Presidency because Barack Obama is a tremendous campaigner.
I am not ready to read the obituary of the Republicans just yet. The same thing that brought the Dems to power will return the Republicans....bad leadership. Even with the KoolAir slurping media pumping Obama and his plans for the USA up with all their might, the course he is currently taking us will backfire, badly, and the fickle electorate will toss them out as well - IF the Republicans can stop wallowing in their own misery, attacking each other and starting hammering home a simple positive alternative to Obamunism.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:31:32am |
re: #660 jcm
Back on-topic, I do believe that evolution is a fact, and also believe that evolution does "preclude the existence of a God." I don't go preaching to others that it does in public or on some art blog as a number of my contemporaries are wont to do though.
Whoever designed the iPod - and/or its marketing - must have been pretty damn intelligent though.
/TRUST ME!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:31:36am |
re: #663 J.S.
How quickly everyone forgets James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, the Supremes, Gladys Knight and the Pips, etc, etc.
Yep.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:31:53am |
re: #655 redneckkahfir
I realized that when i got here, I really don't have anything profound to say.
Why not?
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Sloppy Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:33:23am |
I know a retired elementary school teacher who says it's amazing how kids' self-esteem improves when they learn how to read, write and figure.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:34:20am |
re: #667 laZardo
Back on-topic, I do believe that evolution is a fact, and also believe that evolution does "preclude the existence of a God." I don't go preaching to others that it does in public or on some art blog as a number of my contemporaries are wont to do though.
Whoever designed the iPod - and/or its marketing - must have been pretty damn intelligent though.
/TRUST ME!
The click wheel part, the design that senses the you finger on the wheel and translates it into an input for the unit, I work with the engineer that designed that for Apple.
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:34:38am |
re: #650 Walter L. Newton
Oh.My.God. Why does everybody have to quote Al Sharpton? Throw in an 'African American studies' professor and you have a story. Retch.
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redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:34:44am |
re: #669 MandyManners
Why not?
Partly due to the dismissive attitude of some to the musings of new people.
I dont have 8 million posts so I guess my opinions dont have any weight.
ie...665
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:35:45am |
re: #666 Desert Dog
You are correct, of course, that the Republicans have to stop whining. You do not win by being negative, you must be positive.
I would say that the Dems find themselves in power now not just because they came up with fresh ideas (hardly) and had a positive message (empty) . They won because the country grew weary of the bad leadership the Republicans offered them. And, they won the Presidency because Barack Obama is a tremendous campaigner.
The dems certainly had a perfect storm of factors helping them: the country's loathing of Bush in particular, and Republicans in general, and Obama's message machine (combined with the collapse of the Rep message machine).
But let's not discount the lefty/progressive influence online in molding and creating Obama's campaign.
Until the right gets its act together, they're going to keep losing.
Ideas don't matter so much as the war of ideas-- the strategy, the method. Sad, but true.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:35:56am |
re: #666 Desert Dog
They won because the country grew weary of the bad leadership the Republicans offered them.
The republicans walked away from fiscal responsibility. This is our bread and butter, and if we walk away from it, the consequences are we will not win elections. If we cannot use the current economic issues to reassert our fiscal message, we don't deserve to win.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:36:10am |
re: #663 J.S.
How quickly everyone forgets James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, the Supremes, Gladys Knight and the Pips, etc, etc.
disingenuous bloviating...sheer and utter bullshit...Chuck Berry alone did more for taking down barriers than MJ ever could ream of...MJ was not evn a noticable factor....that pisses me off
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:36:18am |
re: #667 laZardo
Back on-topic, I do believe that evolution is a fact, and also believe that evolution does "preclude the existence of a God." I don't go preaching to others that it does in public or on some art blog as a number of my contemporaries are wont to do though.
Whoever designed the iPod - and/or its marketing - must have been pretty damn intelligent though.
/TRUST ME!
On the first part....
My degree is Bio-chem, lots of chemistry, physics, biology....
Nothing I've seen precludes the existence of God, in fact science has strengthened my faith.
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:37:14am |
re: #666 Desert Dog
Great post DD! I couldn't have said it better.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:37:17am |
re: #675 Sharmuta
The republicans walked away from fiscal responsibility. This is our bread and butter, and if we walk away from it, the consequences are we will not win elections. If we cannot use the current economic issues to reassert our fiscal message, we don't deserve to win.
Damn straight. THAT is the winning idea right now. It mystifies me that the Republicans, or someone, isn't going all out for that.
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:37:33am |
re: #653 jcm
I never bought a MJ album.
I'm I a racist?
I don't think so, hell my daddy bought Jim Reeves albums and played them every damned Sunday afternoon, and I detested the damned things. Doesn't mean I hate my dad, just that he had poor taste in music. Same thing with MJ, he could dance and sing, but not everyone would have adored him.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:30am |
re: #673 redneckkahfir
Oh- I'm sorry. Did you need a written invitation to say something interesting?
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:31am |
Mornin' folks, from a sunny and windy Apple Capitol of the World!
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swamprat Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:51am |
re: #641 iceweasel
The media blared everything, real, imagined, or guessed; that was wrong, or could be taken negatively, against the republicans.
They ignored, or hid, everything against the democrats.
Are you suggesting that the republicans buy the media?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:51am |
7:37 PM ET --
"PersianKiwi" reportedly arrested. An Iranian reporter tweeted these two messages in the past hour regarding "PersianKiwi," one of the most reliable and prolific Iranians on Twitter: "persiankiwi is arrested. ... I'm so sorry. I recive [sic] the persiankiwi arrest news from a honest source but I hope it's been incorrect."Nothing has been verified yet, I'll update as soon as I learn more.
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:39:16am |
re: #673 redneckkahfir
Quit whining. It's a club, there's an initiation, say something of worth or don't say anything. Such is life.
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:39:29am |
re: #656 haakondahl
I expanded scope from a specific point to a thread of criticism I keep encountering here, every time I take a Republican to task for something. In your comment, which I am fairly sure was directed at me, you said that criticism of Palin rather than Kerry revealed more about me than Palin, or someting quite close too that. The insinuation is not a good one, and I am pleased to report that I am not "that guy".
My intention was to comment on the phenomenon and not you personally, though certainly your comment looked like another example, much as you are reporting a phenomenon of your own. I'd suggest that maybe both of us were having a "here we go again" moment. Apologies for my part.
As for frustration, I'm right there with you. I do get a little sensitive about Palin sometimes, as it appears to me that attacks on her are of the most insane kind and without impunity or most times consequence. In a proverbial free market of ideas, whether she's got what it takes should be determined by time and her own abilities. I don't know if she's there yet but I'd like to see what she's got, as I don't think that what we saw last fall was truly representative.
Have a good day, sir or madam.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:40:02am |
re: #659 Sharmuta
But there are people who are unaware that there is a problem. And some of these people have benefitted from the debate. I am one of them. JCM just stated he was too, and I know Reine was likewise influenced by the debate on LGF. These are just three examples. Without the debate, we would not know we're being misled. I appreciate that Charles brought this to the forefront and I support him when he says he's not going to drop it, because if he gets through to even just one more person, then I think it's worth it. The Truth deserves allies.
Without the debate, we may not have known we were being misled.
Absolutely correct.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:40:50am |
re: #683 swamprat
The media blared everything, real, imagined, or guessed; that was wrong, or could be taken negatively, against the republicans.
They ignored, or hid, everything against the democrats.
Are you suggesting that the republicans buy the media?
I'm suggesting the republicans stop crying sweet tasty tears about how everyone is so mean to them (that's what the Dems were doing in 2000-- didn't help them win 2004, did it?).
I'm suggesting they regroup, reform, and replan. And stop pandering to the wingnut base.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:06am |
I keep getting logged out and LGF still loads pretty slow. Been like that the past few days.I dumped my cookies and cleared my cache. Anyone else?
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jvic Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:23am |
re: #308 haakondahl
re: #298 LincolntfHeh. Don't know if this is old news, but Sarah Palin responded to John Kerry.
Why doesn't she have the common sense to respond with maturity? A glib little joke like that just legitimizes Kerry's stupid comment.
It's worse than that. According to the link, she mocked Kerry in Kosovo.
“He looked quite frustrated and he looked so sad,” she told the troops in comments later posted on YouTube. “I just wanted to reach out to the TV and say: ‘John Kerry, why the long face?’ ”
It is...inappropriate...for a governor to deride a sitting Senator to an audience of active-duty American military--on foreign soil, yet! That Kerry started the mudslinging is irrelevant.
re: #547 haakondahl
I would like to like Palin, but I remember how Bushes 41 & 43, Dan Quayle, and the DeLay/Lott GOP lost my support via small disappointment after small disappointment. Maybe this time will be different, but I don't count on it.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:39am |
re: #677 jcm
That's actually good to hear. In fact, I still maintain a respect for Christianity or rather Christians particularly because of my devoutly Christian parents and quite a few of the people around me being nice (if not overbearing, well, they are my parents.)
I mainly became disillusioned with the ideology because, unfortunately (and thanks to local politics as well as experiences outlined in #568), I don't exactly believe that a workable concept of "justice" based on morals exists.
| 692 |
J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:47am |
re: #676 albusteve
yeah, Chuck Berry...what an incredible talent (I remember one of the first Rolling Stones albums -- nothing more than Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley tunes..._)
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:47am |
re: #687 reine.de.tout
Without the debate, we may not have known we were being misled.
Absolutely correct.
or alot of times, in my case, find I was wrong
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:42:01am |
re: #673 redneckkahfir
Partly due to the dismissive attitude of some to the musings of new people.
I dont have 8 million posts so I guess my opinions dont have any weight.
ie...665
Oh For fuck sake....Are you intimated by new lizards? Do you really think anybody really cares how many posts you have? And that weighs into your opinion? If you don't want to post here very often..That's cool... Don't blame it on Bullshit excuses. Don't pull the new lizards card here....
Poor baby.....
I'm planning that my post drew you out to respond... I'm doing you a favor here... LOL
| 695 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:42:04am |
Juan Williams is shilling for Cap and Trade. It is going to flat out kill the economy.
| 697 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:42:35am |
re: #640 shanec99
To date I have not met any educated person who believes that ID has a scientific basis. People "believe" it because it is part of the earliest creation story they learned in Sunday school, but they recognize that the idea belongs in Sunday School and not Chemistry, biology or Physics class.
To debate people who dogmtically defend ID as science is about as useful as debating that the world is flat with a person who is scientifically illiterate and adheres slavishly to that point of view. It is an exercise in futility and not worthy of consideration.
Shane, have you ever read the Lord of the Rings? The final chapter, I think, is entitled The Scouring of the Shire (or something a lot like it). I have been through something like it a couple of times in my life. You may be going through it now. Long story into one sentence:
Our Hero returns from fighting all sorts of badness out there in order to protect the folks at home, and larger issues as well, only to find that things at home are not what they seemed, and certainly worse than they were when he left, due to the nefarious influences of old enemies and new ones who used to be friends.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:02am |
re: #689 Killgore Trout
I keep getting logged out and LGF still loads pretty slow. Been like that the past few days.I dumped my cookies and cleared my cache. Anyone else?
It keeps happening to me too. Occasionally my browser will just freeze up and crash also. Only on LGF.
Coincidence?
| 699 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:12am |
re: #674 iceweasel
The dems certainly had a perfect storm of factors helping them: the country's loathing of Bush in particular, and Republicans in general, and Obama's message machine (combined with the collapse of the Rep message machine).
But let's not discount the lefty/progressive influence online in molding and creating Obama's campaign.
Until the right gets its act together, they're going to keep losing.
Ideas don't matter so much as the war of ideas-- the strategy, the method. Sad, but true.
Yes, but now the Democrats own the policy. They cannot fall back on the "Blame Bush and the Republicans for Everything" mode any longer. When things go bad, they will have to sit there and explain why THEIR policies are not working. Obama is transforming this country before our very eyes and I am willing to bet there will be a very significant backlash against the "lefty/Progressive" ideas that are currently being played out. The spending, taxing and government control of entire industries will not play in Peoria. Look for Obama's popularity to tank when the poop hits the fan.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:13am |
re: #689 Killgore Trout
I keep getting logged out and LGF still loads pretty slow. Been like that the past few days.I dumped my cookies and cleared my cache. Anyone else?
That issues suddenly stopped for me, but I dumped my history too. I clear them out every couple of days anyways. Not sure what to tell you- I know it's frustrating.
| 701 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:29am |
re: #689 Killgore Trout
I keep getting logged out and LGF still loads pretty slow. Been like that the past few days.I dumped my cookies and cleared my cache. Anyone else?
I gave you a list of things to look for in task manager to check if you have a rogue process or some virus, did you check?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:30am |
Protests not completely crushed.....
Thousands demonstrate silently in Tehran
About 5,000 protesters marched slowly and silently through Tehran on Sunday near a mosque where the government was allowing a demonstration for the first time in days.Authorities were riding on motorcycles alongside the marchers, who are telling each other to walk slowly and drag their feet, a CNN producer reported. Police were telling the demonstrators to move faster, the producer added, who CNN is not naming for security reasons.
Some of the protesters were telling the police that they have the legal right to protest in peace, the CNN journalist said.
| 703 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:08am |
re: #687 reine.de.tout
Without the debate, we may not have known we were being misled.
Absolutely correct.
There is a place for debate, but what sometimes passes for debate in this matter is an exercise aimed at ridiculing and lambasting Christians and what they believe, and it serves no useful purpose.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:11am |
re: #673 redneckkahfir
Partly due to the dismissive attitude of some to the musings of new people.
I dont have 8 million posts so I guess my opinions dont have any weight.
ie...665
Think of it this way: It doesn't matter how people respond. If you put your thoughts here you get one, maybe two things out of it. One, regardless, you focus enough to give your thoughts and feeling some structure. It's cathartic. You can even copy it and put it in a word processing file. Two, if people do react, you can maybe learn something, refine some of your ideas. Their response, even if criticism, helps you develop and expand your views. Even no response can tell you something. And at least you know that somebody read and maybe could later use, some of your thoughts. In many ways it is better than other forms of socialization. No noise, no distractions, or at least they are more under your control. Certain aspects of real-world relationships do not exist. Only the thoughts are here.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:16am |
re: #664 BigPapa
I have to give employee reviews. Corporate wants us to use a grading system of 1-5, 3 being satisfactory.
My best employees grade themselves much better and closer to my grading of them, than the lacking or satisfactory employees, which grade themselves much higher than I do.
There's clearly a disconnect in expectations and performance with the lacking employees, though I strive to keep setting expectations.
I can't find it now, but studies have shown that your best employees will usually rate themselves the same as or slightly lower than you would, and your worst employees will always rate themselves higher.
It's due to the ability of one person to properly evaluate his/her own abilities and talents and make adjustments (your better employees), and the lack of ability of others judge themselves accurately. This same ability (or lack thereof) to make appropriate judgments and distinctions is what leads one person to be a better employee than another.
| 706 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:18am |
re: #692 J.S.
yeah, Chuck Berry...what an incredible talent (I remember one of the first Rolling Stones albums -- nothing more than Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley tunes..._)
The Beatles as well....Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Little Richard and Elvis.....that is what they grew up with.
| 707 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:28am |
re: #694 HoosierHoops
Oh For fuck sake....Are you intimated by new lizards? Do you really think anybody really cares how many posts you have? And that weighs into your opinion? If you don't want to post here very often..That's cool... Don't blame it on Bullshit excuses. Don't pull the new lizards card here....
Poor baby.....
I'm planning that my post drew you out to respond... I'm doing you a favor here... LOL
No, it appear that you may have just given him what he wants, a little attention while he whines.
| 709 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:46am |
re: #698 iceweasel
It keeps happening to me too. Occasionally my browser will just freeze up and crash also. Only on LGF.
Coincidence?
[Video]
The noob did it.
What a beautiful day.
Golf or Hammock, hmmmmm.
Enjoy the day.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:45:12am |
re: #691 laZardo
That's actually good to hear. In fact, I still maintain a respect for Christianity or rather Christians particularly because of my devoutly Christian parents and quite a few of the people around me being nice (if not overbearing, well, they are my parents.)
I mainly became disillusioned with the ideology because, unfortunately (and thanks to local politics as well as experiences outlined in #568), I don't exactly believe that a workable concept of "justice" based on morals exists.
My dad was a preacher / missionary, my grand dad a preacher / evangelist. Family preachers go back to some of the first Protestant churches in England.
I was disillusioned also, and did a lot of study on my own, before returning.
| 713 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:45:27am |
Britain blasts arrest of embassy staffers in Iran
The arrest of local staff members at the British Embassy in Iran is "harassment and intimidation of a kind which is quite unacceptable," British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said Sunday.
"About nine" staffers have been affected, he said, adding that some had already been released.
"We have protested in strong terms directly to the Iranian authorities about the arrests that took place yesterday," but there has been no response, Miliband said.
Iran's government-backed Press TV said earlier on Sunday that eight local British embassy staffers had been seized for their role in the unrest following the disputed presidential elections on June 12.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:45:49am |
re: #692 J.S.
yeah, Chuck Berry...what an incredible talent (I remember one of the first Rolling Stones albums -- nothing more than Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley tunes..._)
K Richards worshipped Berry and when they finally met Berry ignored him then threatened to punch him over some small thing...Richards didn't care and later of course they became friends....Carol is one of my favorite Stones rockers to this day...thanks Chuck!
| 716 |
laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:45:59am |
re: #702 Killgore Trout
I switched on CNN International today to find Amnesty International was actually pretty angry.
/better late than silent, I suppose.
| 717 |
avanti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:08am |
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:30am |
re: #713 Killgore Trout
Are they gonna take over another embassy? Does the IRG need more room?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:36am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:42am |
re: #673 redneckkahfir
Partly due to the dismissive attitude of some to the musings of new people.
I dont have 8 million posts so I guess my opinions dont have any weight.
ie...665
Grow a thicker skin.
You are not entitled to be noticed.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:17am |
re: #710 avanti
You're correct that Billy Mays died at age 50, but I don't recall him being the shamwow guy, but rather the Oxyclean pitchman.
In any event, and while I couldn't stand listening to him making his sales pitch, sympathies and condolonces to his family on his death.
RIP Billy Mays.
| 722 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:19am |
re: #717 avanti
Wow. That is 4, not 3. Then again does Billy Mays count as a celebrity?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:26am |
re: #699 Desert Dog
Lefty/progressives have always been amongst the harshest critics of the democrats-certainly the most astute.
They are quite vicious right now about Obama.
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:28am |
re: #710 avanti
Billy Mays didn't do Sham Wow...did oxi-clean, etc...(although, yes, he's dead...May he RIP..)
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avanti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:54am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:55am |
re: #717 avanti
Not that I know of, 50 years old, found dead.
LINK please. I just googled and all I could find was some comment indicating it's a joke.
| 730 |
avanti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:35am |
re: #721 realwest
You're correct that Billy Mays died at age 50, but I don't recall him being the shamwow guy, but rather the Oxyclean pitchman.
In any event, and while I couldn't stand listening to him making his sales pitch, sympathies and condolonces to his family on his death.
RIP Billy Mays.
You are right, wrong pitchman.
| 731 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:39am |
re: #716 laZardo
It's nice to see the lefties on board with the whole freedom thing again.
| 732 |
American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #676 albusteve
I'm sorry, I can't see Jackson now as anything other than a child abuser. I loved him when I was a kid. I danced to his music at the discos in the 80s. I gasped at his weirdness and bizarre transformations, and I held out my judgment over the accusations until he admitted that sharing your bed with children is the most loving thing you can do. The man was a sicko and all the legendary-ness of him can't erase it for me.
I suspect the kids will write a tell all book one of these days.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:50am |
re: #726 avanti
Fox TV is in on it then.
LINK please. Why can't you just give us a link. There seems to be some difference of opinion. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just looking for information.
| 735 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:54am |
re: #703 shanec99
There is a place for debate, but what sometimes passes for debate in this matter is an exercise aimed at ridiculing and lambasting Christians and what they believe, and it serves no useful purpose.
There are some commenters that on occasion try to do what you are saying, or get close to it sometimes.
But the overall tone of the debate (and LGF in general) is NOT ridicule of Christians.
| 736 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:01am |
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Just heard it on Fox News with a comment by his widow.
| 740 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:24am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:27am |
re: #708 Sharmuta
I also rebooted my computer.
I'll try that too-- thanks.
Must take off now-- have a great day!
love
the one you've dubbed icedub!
| 742 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:37am |
re: #690 jvic
Kerry insulted our troops himself (remember his comments implying that failures from high school populate our military?).
Sittimg silent while being mocked and diminished by elitist twits like Kerry is no way to stand up for herself, for women as a whole, or for the dignity of her State.
| 745 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:11am |
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:18am |
re: #723 iceweasel
Lefty/progressives have always been amongst the harshest critics of the democrats-certainly the most astute.
They are quite vicious right now about Obama.
Why is that? Is he not delivering the wish list of programs the Progressives have been drooling over?
| 747 |
avanti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:26am |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
LINK please. Why can't you just give us a link. There seems to be some difference of opinion. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just looking for information.
I can't give you a link until Fox news puts it up Walter, it was a live TV story.
| 748 |
swamprat Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:28am |
re: #688 iceweasel
I'm suggesting the republicans stop crying sweet tasty tears about how everyone is so mean to them (that's what the Dems were doing in 2000-- didn't help them win 2004, did it?).
I'm suggesting they regroup, reform, and replan. And stop pandering to the wingnut base.
I'm starting to wonder.
I would like to agree. But part of the dems win seemed to be because they pandered to their nutjob factions. The repubs look as if they are starting to do the same. If that is the price it takes to play, then I am torn as to whether the game is worth playing.
| 749 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:41am |
re: #741 iceweasel
Have a good day, Icedub. We'll see you later. :)
| 750 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:41am |
re: #703 shanec99
There is a place for debate, but what sometimes passes for debate in this matter is an exercise aimed at ridiculing and lambasting Christians and what they believe, and it serves no useful purpose.
No, people have been lambasted and ridiculed despite being Christians, not because of it. Many Lizards are Christians. Christianity is not the problem, nor the target.
As for what Christians believe, believing the earth was created 6,000 years ago or that Darwinism leads to racism and Nazism, prepare for ridicule. Believing creationism, ID, or 'alternatives to evolution' should be taught in public schools, it's going to be a tough crowd here.
| 751 |
redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:55am |
| 753 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:11am |
re: #735 reine.de.tout
There are some commenters that on occasion try to do what you are saying, or get close to it sometimes.
But the overall tone of the debate (and LGF in general) is NOT ridicule of Christians.
It was because of the tone of some "debates" that I saw why I decided that I would no longer engage in ID debates. I leave when they come up in a dedicated string.
| 754 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:23am |
Anyone in here happen to have any experience (good or bad) with Saturn automobiles?
| 755 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:59am |
re: #743 jcm
8 seconds.....
*snap*
That's gonna knock Jackson right off the top of the news cycle. We will always have Jackson's music, but now, we will have to suffer the lack of new as seen on TV products. It's a shame.
| 756 |
CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:52:02am |
re: #710 avanti
Billy Mays (Shamwow) died.
Now there is a voice that will be noticeable by its absence. He was just reaching the heights of fame as well.
Shamwow was the other guy, Vince something-or-other.
| 758 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:52:45am |
re: #754 Lincolntf
Anyone in here happen to have any experience (good or bad) with Saturn automobiles?
My Mom and Dad had one. It was a nice car. They used to hold their value quite well, but I am not sure now. They put over 140,000 miles on it before they get it to my nephew (who promptly got into a wreck and totaled it)
| 759 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:52:59am |
re: #732 American Sabra
agreed....a twisted, torn individual...his death means nothing to me.....people die and so did he
| 760 |
redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:04am |
I'll continue to read quietly and maybe ill post some things in the future....
but now that the rain stopped i gotta go work on my new deck....
| 761 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:05am |
re: #747 avanti
I can't give you a link until Fox news puts it up Walter, it was a live TV story.
Sorry, you didn't say if it was just something you heard, I reacted to quickly, I got the links.
| 762 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:34am |
re: #753 shanec99
It was because of the tone of some "debates" that I saw why I decided that I would no longer engage in ID debates. I leave when they come up in a dedicated string.
Yes, some of the debates have been difficult, I won't deny it.
But at the end of the tunnel - light!
I find the more difficult debates are often very productive.
| 763 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:35am |
re: #754 Lincolntf
Anyone in here happen to have any experience (good or bad) with Saturn automobiles?
I had a friend who had a Saturn. The insurance rates are higher because any accidents and large chunks of the body need to be replaced because of the design. She had an accident and decided to get a different brand of car because she found it to be ridiculous.
| 764 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:53am |
re: #735 reine.de.tout
There are some commenters that on occasion try to do what you are saying, or get close to it sometimes.
But the overall tone of the debate (and LGF in general) is NOT ridicule of Christians.
Hey friend....
There has never been a post here since I have been a lizard that has ever ridiculed a Christian...
Generally... I think most lizards hold those that believe in God in High regard.
I have never seen Christians mocked here.. But if you say something really stupid in the name of god here...Good luck surviving.
| 765 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:54:22am |
re: #751 redneckkahfir
You know, youre right.
oh and Walter, go fondle yourself.
That felt good, thanks for the suggestion. Nothing like a little Sunday morning quickie.
| 766 |
avanti Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:54:40am |
re: #761 Walter L. Newton
Sorry, you didn't say if it was just something you heard, I reacted to quickly, I got the links.
No problem, I multitask, TV is on, laptop and me in front of it.
| 767 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:54:42am |
re: #674 iceweasel
Until the right gets its act together, they're going to keep losing.
Agree one-hundred percent.
Ideas don't matter so much as the war of ideas-- the strategy, the method. Sad, but true.
Couldn't disagree more. Disagree one-hundred percent. In fact, check yoour front door. You hear that THWOCK!, and you'll know it is this note, impaled on a flaming arrow, being delivered.
Good ideas are the only way the Republicans can ever win. Reagan had them in 1980, and Newt Gingrich (don't grimace like that, he was *right*) had them in 1994.
I don't know where "Compassionate Conservatism" came from, unless it was a DNC plot to paint conservatism as uncompassionate, but the only reason we won in 2000 was that VP Gore could not get far enough away from President Clinton's damaged brand. Even then, it was famously close.
2004 was simple.
I do expect that some professionalism be applied to the business of campaigning, but the method must not be prioritized over the message, or we wind up with a rightist demagogue--beholden to the polls, shifting with the angry currents swirling about his knees, rather than holding a steady course for the far shore.
| 768 |
laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:14am |
re: #712 jcm
My dad was a preacher / missionary, my grand dad a preacher / evangelist. Family preachers go back to some of the first Protestant churches in England.
I was disillusioned also, and did a lot of study on my own, before returning.
I half-joke to myself that I'll be a Catholic again when I'm as old as my dad. But I go day to day when it comes to these things. I'll find out when I find out, I guess.
| 769 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:17am |
re: #758 Desert Dog
Thanks. We were looking for an Accord/Camry type of car to replace my wife's aging Honda and happened to stop at a Saturn lot. They seemed perfectly nice for the price.
| 771 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:28am |
re: #751 redneckkahfir
Well, concepts, red. Negative waves don't help you, whatever form they take.
| 772 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:33am |
re: #764 HoosierHoops
Hey friend....
There has never been a post here since I have been a lizard that has ever ridiculed a Christian...
Generally... I think most lizards hold those that believe in God in High regard.
I have never seen Christians mocked here.. But if you say something really stupid in the name of god here...Good luck surviving.
That's probably a more accurate statement than mine.
Sometimes I have to take a deep breath so as not to let my "first-take" emotion overcome my rational being.
| 773 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:49am |
re: #751 redneckkahfir
You know, youre right.
oh and Walter, go fondle yourself.
now THAT"S what we're talkin about!
| 774 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:49am |
re: #750 BigPapa
No, people have been lambasted and ridiculed despite being Christians, not because of it. Many Lizards are Christians. Christianity is not the problem, nor the target.
As for what Christians believe, believing the earth was created 6,000 years ago or that Darwinism leads to racism and Nazism, prepare for ridicule. Believing creationism, ID, or 'alternatives to evolution' should be taught in public schools, it's going to be a tough crowd here.
I do not know anyone Christian or other wise who believe thtat the world is only 6K old. But I am sure that you can find me some.
I don't know anyone who believes that Nazism evolved from Darwinism, although Nelson Mengele's work was influenced by ideas some misinformed people call Darwinian.
No rational and reasonably educated person believes that ID is good science.
| 775 |
gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:12am |
re: #705 reine.de.tout
I can't find it now, but studies have shown that your best employees will usually rate themselves the same as or slightly lower than you would, and your worst employees will always rate themselves higher.
It's due to the ability of one person to properly evaluate his/her own abilities and talents and make adjustments (your better employees), and the lack of ability of others judge themselves accurately. This same ability (or lack thereof) to make appropriate judgments and distinctions is what leads one person to be a better employee than another.
Oh noes!
/I rated myself higher than my boss did (avg. 1/2 point all the way).
I'm old and extremely experienced and successful at what I do, so I figured why would I rate myself below "almost" excellent if that is what their reason was in hiring me in the first place! Would never rate myself perfect..no such thing to me as being perfect (being human and all that). ;)
| 776 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:25am |
re: #767 haakondahl
I agree. There needs to be a solid foundation of ideas, otherwise it's quicksand for any politician.
| 777 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:34am |
re: #763 Sharmuta
Oh, thanks for that. Hadn't even considered repair costs. Maybe that's why they seem to be a few grand cheaper than similar class/size cars.
| 778 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:49am |
re: #765 Walter L. Newton
That felt good, thanks for the suggestion. Nothing like a little Sunday morning quickie.
ROFLMAO! water - ducks back, etc.
| 779 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:57:00am |
re: #769 Lincolntf
Thanks. We were looking for an Accord/Camry type of car to replace my wife's aging Honda and happened to stop at a Saturn lot. They seemed perfectly nice for the price.
My wife drives a Civic....that is a great car too....worry free.
| 780 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:57:05am |
FOXNEWS reporting that Billy Mays has been found dead. No sarc.
| 781 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:57:14am |
re: #775 gettinby
Oh noes!
/I rated myself higher than my boss did (avg. 1/2 point all the way).
I'm old and extremely experienced and successful at what I do, so I figured why would I rate myself below "almost" excellent if that is what their reason was in hiring me in the first place! Would never rate myself perfect..no such thing to me as being perfect (being human and all that). ;)
avg 1/2 point? I would say you rated yourself very accurately. I'm talking about people who rate themselves a "5" when they really are a low "3".
| 782 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:57:21am |
re: #755 Walter L. Newton
That's gonna knock Jackson right off the top of the news cycle. We will always have Jackson's music, but now, we will have to suffer the lack of new as seen on TV products. It's a shame.
Do we get one hour retrospectives of Billy's career?
Don't want to miss that!
/
Prayers for Mr. Mays family, sounds unexpected and the shock must be terrible.
| 783 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:57:59am |
re: #774 shanec99
Not everyone is rational or well educated.
| 784 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:14am |
re: #763 Sharmuta
I had a friend who had a Saturn. The insurance rates are higher because any accidents and large chunks of the body need to be replaced because of the design. She had an accident and decided to get a different brand of car because she found it to be ridiculous.
Now that would seem to be unintelligent design that should be widely discussed.
| 785 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:22am |
re: #767 haakondahl
The Dems can win on BS, the Republicans have to have workable ideas. The ideas are already there, we just need someone who can deliver them with passion and inspiration (Sorry JOhn McCain, you ain't that guy)
| 786 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:41am |
re: #684 Killgore Trout
7:37 PM ET --
Holy Shit! I have been following PersianKiwi, and wondered why I hadn't seen anything in the last few days--but Winston has been pretty quiet, too. I thought it was just the large-scale reverses. Shit, I hope he's ok. Or she. Whatever. All of them.
| 787 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:44am |
re: #782 jcm
Do we get one hour retrospectives of Billy's career?
Don't want to miss that!
/Prayers for Mr. Mays family, sounds unexpected and the shock must be terrible.
Yes, I agree, my comment was more a slam on the media, not on the death of these people.
| 788 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:50am |
| 789 |
Scion9 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:03am |
re: #667 laZardo
Whoever designed the iPod - and/or its marketing - must have been pretty damn intelligent though.
/TRUST ME!
My iPod, about a year old, just arbitrarily broke a few mornings ago. The hold button switch doesn't work anymore, the screen is off center and there is a big black mark in one corner of it.
Before that I had a Creative mp3 player for what I want to say was 7 years, from when they first came out. I'm beat the shit out of that thing and it only really finally 'broke' when I wore out the buttons.
A case of 'they just don't make 'em like they used to'?
| 790 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:14am |
| 791 |
Pianobuff Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:27am |
re: #767 haakondahl
Couldn't disagree more. Disagree one-hundred percent. In fact, check yoour front door. You hear that THWOCK!, and you'll know it is this note, impaled on a flaming arrow, being delivered.
Good ideas are the only way the Republicans can ever win. Reagan had them in 1980, and Newt Gingrich (don't grimace like that, he was *right*) had them in 1994.
I don't know where "Compassionate Conservatism" came from, unless it was a DNC plot to paint conservatism as uncompassionate, but the only reason we won in 2000 was that VP Gore could not get far enough away from President Clinton's damaged brand. Even then, it was famously close.
2004 was simple.
I do expect that some professionalism be applied to the business of campaigning, but the method must not be prioritized over the message, or we wind up with a rightist demagogue--beholden to the polls, shifting with the angry currents swirling about his knees, rather than holding a steady course for the far shore.
IMO, compassionate conservatism was a brand/alibi under which less fiscal discipline became permissible (if not desirable) and ultimately part of the R's credibility problem that's haunting us today.
Many good points in your post.
| 792 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:29am |
re: #777 Lincolntf
Oh, thanks for that. Hadn't even considered repair costs. Maybe that's why they seem to be a few grand cheaper than similar class/size cars.
She said she never own another Saturn again.
| 793 |
itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:38am |
re: #769 Lincolntf
Thanks. We were looking for an Accord/Camry type of car to replace my wife's aging Honda and happened to stop at a Saturn lot. They seemed perfectly nice for the price.
That big Saturn sedan, their Accord/Camry clone, is also the Chevy Malibu and a couple of other GM models, and is pretty highly rated.
| 794 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:44am |
| 795 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:49am |
re: #787 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I agree, my comment was more a slam on the media, not on the death of these people.
Point taken.
| 796 |
jaunte Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:59:50am |
re: #673 redneckkahfir
Many new posters receive few replies to their posts. You just have to keep babbling on and eventually people will respond.
| 797 |
CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:17am |
re: #765 Walter L. Newton
That felt good, thanks for the suggestion. Nothing like a little Sunday morning quickie.
AAIIEEE! My Eyes!
| 798 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:20am |
Young lizards are damn lucky we don't have a 'crossing the line' ceremony for new hatchlings!
| 799 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:25am |
re: #778 legalpad
ROFLMAO! water - ducks back, etc.
It makes me wonder if when posters make comments like that, it makes me wonder if they really think that it is going to bother me, or that I am going to stomp my feet and cry.
It probably makes them feel better, that's good.
| 800 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:25am |
Last post on my phone from PersianKiwi:
Allah -- you are the creator of all and all must return to you -- Allah Akbar - #Iranelection Sea of Green.
8:39 Jun 24th
| 801 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:41am |
re: #796 jaunte
Many new posters receive few replies to their posts. You just have to keep babbling on and eventually people will respond.
Try and post something stupid, that will get you some responses too, eh?
| 802 |
J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:00am |
re: #785 Desert Dog
It helps immensely having the MSM in your back pocket at all times... ignoring certain things...
| 803 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:08am |
re: #796 jaunte
Many new posters receive few replies to their posts. You just have to keep babbling on and eventually people will respond.
How long does it take?
I'm still waiting!
/;-P
| 805 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:26am |
re: #783 Sharmuta
Not everyone is rational or well educated.
On that point I agree, but it is generally the rational and educated who make the laws and administer the policies that govern our class rooms and all the conduct inside them.
| 806 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:40am |
| 807 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:41am |
| 809 |
redneckkahfir Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:59am |
re: #765 Walter L. Newton
That felt good, thanks for the suggestion. Nothing like a little Sunday morning quickie.
OK, I laughed.
| 810 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:06am |
| 811 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:11am |
re: #796 jaunte
Many new posters receive few replies to their posts. You just have to keep babbling on and eventually people will respond.
Oh SNAP!
BTW...Are you doing the artwork for our next cookbook? A lot of people have seen the artwork you did on cookbook 1.... You rock dude....
| 812 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:23am |
re: #780 VegasRick
Wow. I watched a show called "Pitchmen" for the first time a couple weeks ago and thought it was really interesting.
It's a shame, he seemed like a genuinely nice guy/shrewd businessman.
| 813 |
itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:27am |
re: #805 shanec99
On that point I agree, but it is generally the rational and educated who make the laws and administer the policies that govern our class rooms and all the conduct inside them.
where did you hear that?
| 814 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:33am |
re: #779 Desert Dog
My wife drives a Civic....that is a great car too....worry free.
Bought a Celica in '93. Still have it, still running well. The emergency 3rd car now, don't feel like folding myself into it these days.
Toyota makes quality stuff.
| 815 |
J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:34am |
re: #798 pingjockey
Young lizards are damn lucky we don't have a 'crossing the line' ceremony for new hatchlings!
When did that stop?
| 816 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:42am |
re: #775 gettinby
Oh noes!
/I rated myself higher than my boss did (avg. 1/2 point all the way).
I have employess who rate themselves 3's and 4's when they are strong 2's. Occasionally a 5 gets in there. I've never rated myself a 5 at anything and I've been in my industry for 22 years, and consider myself talented and competent.
I would say you're very consistent.
| 818 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:03:06am |
re: #751 redneckkahfir
You know, youre right.
oh and Walter, go fondle yourself.
He might enjoy that.
| 819 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:03:48am |
re: #815 J.D.
We have initiation, kind of, but the newbies have to really post something off the wall or totally outrageous first.
| 821 |
jaunte Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:04:14am |
re: #811 HoosierHoops
Thanks, yes, I'm collecting depression-era lizard reference right now, and will begin the drawings soon. There will be more drawings inside this time.
| 822 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:04:15am |
re: #805 shanec99
On that point I agree, but it is generally the rational and educated who make the laws and administer the policies that govern our class rooms and all the conduct inside them.
The people who started the Discovery Institute are not stupid. They are highly educated people- they just have an agenda to promote. There are educated politicians who are promoting ID as well. Education isn't the line in the sand that stops these people. They're driven by dogma and ideology.
| 824 |
J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:04:41am |
re: #813 itellu3times
where did you hear that?
That's what I was going to ask...especially the classrooms part.
| 825 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:04:41am |
re: #812 Lincolntf
Wow. I watched a show called "Pitchmen" for the first time a couple weeks ago and thought it was really interesting.
It's a shame, he seemed like a genuinely nice guy/shrewd businessman.
I saw it too. He and Andrew Sullivan were in a "pitch - off" to help a sick friend sell some product.
| 826 |
American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:05:06am |
I think the shamwow guy was arrested for beating up a prostitute not too long ago, yes? Not Billy Mays.
| 828 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:05:10am |
| 829 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:05:51am |
re: #796 jaunte
Many new posters receive few replies to their posts. You just have to keep babbling on and eventually people will respond.
Be careful, if what you say is just too out rageous you might get beat down and banned. Remember this is a Charles-ocracy, and while debate is encouragedsome subjects are rightfully reason for permanent dismissal from the lizard community.
| 830 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:06:25am |
re: #826 American Sabra
I think the shamwow guy was arrested for beating up a prostitute not too long ago, yes? Not Billy Mays.
Yes, she apparently did not "love his nuts".
It is always sad to see someone die. Billy Mays was incredibly irritating, but you cannot argue about his success.
| 831 |
J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:06:29am |
re: #819 pingjockey
We have initiation, kind of, but the newbies have to really post something off the wall or totally outrageous first.
Oh, good! I haven't been around for a registration event lately.
| 832 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:06:52am |
re: #826 American Sabra
I think the shamwow guy was arrested for beating up a prostitute not too long ago, yes? Not Billy Mays.
Was she German? Because you know the Germans make good stuff.
| 833 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:06:53am |
re: #829 shanec99
Not so much 'subjects' as objectionable comments to said subjects.
| 834 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:13am |
re: #796 jaunte
Many new posters receive few replies to their posts. You just have to keep babbling on and eventually people will respond.
Is that how you did it?!
:)
Actually all a poster has to do is post something either analytical, on a news topic of general interest (politics is always a good one) and links to the source material.
| 835 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:26am |
| 836 |
laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:29am |
re: #789 Scion9
My iPod, about a year old, just arbitrarily broke a few mornings ago. The hold button switch doesn't work anymore, the screen is off center and there is a big black mark in one corner of it.
Before that I had a Creative mp3 player for what I want to say was 7 years, from when they first came out. I'm beat the shit out of that thing and it only really finally 'broke' when I wore out the buttons.
A case of 'they just don't make 'em like they used to'?
I've had a Samsung MP3 player that I won in a 7-11 raffle for some time. It's held up pretty well and the flip-out speaker is wonderful for alarms, makes waking up in the morning almost profound.
However I've gone through three pairs of the matching Samsung earbuds already. I'd like to get the new, slimmer version if I ever get the money.
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:37am |
re: #684 Killgore Trout
btw, I've heard that Nokia is assisting Iranians in their tracking down users...From a BBC article: "Nokia Siemens Network has confirmed it supplied Iran with the technology needed to monitor, control, and read local telephone calls." (also read that Twitter accounts are also being monitored thanks to Nokia )
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:39am |
re: #826 American Sabra
I think the shamwow guy was arrested for beating up a prostitute not too long ago, yes? Not Billy Mays.
Right shamwow, not Billy. i think somebody bit somebody.
| 839 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:39am |
re: #686 Pianobuff
Upding, Bro or Sis. Gotta Go, Lizards!
| 840 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:04am |
re: #831 J.D.
IIRC, Charles' had it open the other night, but wannabe lizards had to pay attention, because it wasn't announced. Heh.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:05am |
re: #826 American Sabra
I think the shamwow guy was arrested for beating up a prostitute not too long ago, yes? Not Billy Mays.
It was a product demonstration gone horribly, horribly wrong.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:22am |
re: #833 pingjockey
Hi ping! How are you doing today my friend?
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:23am |
re: #829 shanec99
Be careful, if what you say is just too out rageous you might get beat down and banned. Remember this is a Charles-ocracy, and while debate is encouragedsome subjects are rightfully reason for permanent dismissal from the lizard community.
You can debate with Charles no problem. Disagree with him on everything. As long as you are respectful, you are fine. If you cross the line and start getting all personal, you are doomed to be banned (and why not?)...that is my observations, at least.
| 844 |
jaunte Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:24am |
re: #834 realwest
Is that how you did it?!
:)
Actually all a poster has to do is post something either analytical, on a news topic of general interest (politics is always a good one) and links to the source material.
Nota bene!
| 845 |
Bobblehead Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:49am |
re: #829 shanec99
Be careful, if what you say is just too out rageous you might get beat down and banned. Remember this is a Charles-ocracy, and while debate is encouragedsome subjects are rightfully reason for permanent dismissal from the lizard community.
Good one. Charles, the benevolent dictator.
| 846 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:52am |
| 847 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:59am |
Honda Accord...best car I ever owned...had three including a 6 cyl coupe....yowza what a cool car
| 848 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:26am |
re: #841 CyanSnowHawk
It was a product demonstration gone horribly, horribly wrong.
The clapper or snapper? "clap on - snap off"!
| 849 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:28am |
re: #843 Desert Dog
You can debate with Charles no problem. Disagree with him on everything. As long as you are respectful, you are fine. If you cross the line and start getting all personal, you are doomed to be banned (and why not?)...that is my observations, at least.
Mine too.
| 850 |
American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:33am |
re: #829 shanec99
What never ceases to amaze me, however, is that the stalker folks always say this is an echo chamber (well sometimes it is, but I think that can be said for any blog that's has a tight community like LGF) but that dissenting opinion will get you banned and I'm here to say that that is unequivocally not true! I have been quite unpopular at times, and I'm still here.
| 851 |
gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:42am |
re: #781 reine.de.tout
avg 1/2 point? I would say you rated yourself very accurately. I'm talking about people who rate themselves a "5" when they really are a low "3".
*whew*
I knew what you were saying. :) It was, however, a little embarrassing during our meeting to review the review (he's over 25 years younger than I). He kept asking me what he did wrong! LOL
Found out it's extremely easy working for someone a lot younger. Was worried at first.
I have over 10 employees working directly for me. And what you've been saying is correct. I keep looking for any common threads on those who do rate themselves extremely high when, in fact, they barely are satisfactory. So far, I've found two -- none of them have any desire to work really, really hard (physically or mentally). They only barely do what the job description states, and they whine about things more than the successful employees.
I've always like the quote from Coach George Allen..."The harder I work, the luckier I get."
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:43am |
re: #774 shanec99
I do not know anyone Christian or other wise who believe thtat the world is only 6K old. But I am sure that you can find me some.
I don't know anyone who believes that Nazism evolved from Darwinism, although Nelson Mengele's work was influenced by ideas some misinformed people call Darwinian.
No rational and reasonably educated person believes that ID is good science.
I don't know anyone either, personally. But where have you been? Being involved on this blog has lead to various discussions and substantial linking and contact to people who do believe those things. There's people who do believe in YEC/ID/alt's to Darwin being taught in public school and are politically active. Saying 'no rational or reasonably educated person believes this' doesn't stop the people who do believe it from promoting their ideals.
It's as if you're saying it's no big deal, why all the fuss, at the same time you're lamenting all the supposed Christian bashing. Do I have this right?
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:46am |
re: #12 blackpajamas
The Love Thong of Barney Frank's Tax Payer
(T.S. Eliot, keep your eyes closed)
Great avatar, too. "The international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids."
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:07am |
re: #842 realwest
Not bad! How's yourself and Mom? Quiet here this morning, the 2 boys are up at granma and granpas helping with yard work and they get to go boating(!) later. So me and the better half are just kicking back.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:26am |
re: #832 VegasRick
Was she German? Because you know the Germans make good stuff.
LOL Ok, I'm not following that at all!
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J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:43am |
re: #837 J.S.
I have a neighbor who sold radar systems overseas and when we asked him whether they left certain things out, he smiled slyly.
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:52am |
re: #837 J.S.
btw, I've heard that Nokia is assisting Iranians in their tracking down users...From a BBC article: "Nokia Siemens Network has confirmed it supplied Iran with the technology needed to monitor, control, and read local telephone calls." (also read that Twitter accounts are also being monitored thanks to Nokia )
When western companies do that kind of stuff it makes my blood boil. I am all for making money, but when that money is covered with the blood of innocent people, it makes me wonder about the motivations of the ownership. I wonder how Nokia can rationalize this action?
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:57am |
re: #822 Sharmuta
The people who started the Discovery Institute are not stupid. They are highly educated people- they just have an agenda to promote. There are educated politicians who are promoting ID as well. Education isn't the line in the sand that stops these people. They're driven by dogma and ideology.
Well educated they might be, but rational? I'm not so sure.....
| 859 |
Bobblehead Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:11:06am |
re: #849 reine.de.tout
Mine too.
One does not get personal with the boss. Bad things are sure to happen if you do.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:11:21am |
re: #841 CyanSnowHawk
It was a product demonstration gone horribly, horribly wrong.
LOL Now that's comedy!
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:11:40am |
re: #830 Desert Dog
Yes, she apparently did not "love his nuts".
It is always sad to see someone die. Billy Mays was incredibly irritating, but you cannot argue about his success.
as American as apple pie
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:12am |
re: #832 VegasRick
Was she German? Because you know the Germans make good stuff.
Was she German?! Who made what?
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laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:12am |
re: #830 Desert Dog
Yes, she apparently did not "love his nuts".
It is always sad to see someone die. Billy Mays was incredibly irritating, but you cannot argue about his success.
HE GOT ON THE BALL.
/ D:
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:24am |
re: #812 Lincolntf
It's a shame, he seemed like a genuinely nice guy/shrewd businessman.
As much as I ridicule the products (and mimic Billy with his hands and high volume tone) I respect the guy. He believed in what he was doing, busted his ass and made some scratch, and achieved a level of success. Too bad his run was so short.
| 865 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:27am |
re: #822 Sharmuta
The people who started the Discovery Institute are not stupid. They are highly educated people- they just have an agenda to promote. There are educated politicians who are promoting ID as well. Education isn't the line in the sand that stops these people. They're driven by dogma and ideology.
On this matter I disagree. They are either stupid or devious. There are many devious and stupid people out there with anm agenda to defraud and mislead others for thier own gain, but they are usually exposed and quickly discredited.
| 866 |
rightymouse Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:37am |
| 867 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:39am |
| 868 |
J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:49am |
re: #834 {realwest}
Good morning real. You survived the heat wave!
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:13:04am |
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:13:12am |
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J.D. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:02am |
Wow! This thread is moving fast and I must go. Play nice!
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:11am |
re: #869 CyanSnowHawk
It's a riff on his sales pitches.
Oh, ok. I flick it to another channel when I see his face.
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:12am |
re: #865 shanec99
Not stupid. Devious, IMO. They want YEC/ID taught as science, not faith. They are trying to get ID put in schools as science.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:16am |
re: #829 shanec99
Be careful, if what you say is just too out rageous you might get beat down and banned. Remember this is a Charles-ocracy, and while debate is encouragedsome subjects are rightfully reason for permanent dismissal from the lizard community.
Sir..You are dead wrong....
Charles has a simple set of rules...You break em.. You are gone...
You can say anything you want and engage lizards in any manner you want...
You will not be banned....We are a community of many views and multiple life styles....There is a great respect among lizards here...Even if you don't deserve respect...You are always shown great deference at LGF...It's up to you to destroy yourself.....
This is the best blog on the Internet because Charles has set the rules and the wonderful Lizards that post here....
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Scion9 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:21am |
re: #857 Desert Dog
When western companies do that kind of stuff it makes my blood boil. I am all for making money, but when that money is covered with the blood of innocent people, it makes me wonder about the motivations of the ownership. I wonder how Nokia can rationalize this action?
I don't think Nokia et al provided anything to Iran that they haven't provided to any of their other customers. That kind of control and monitoring functionality on network equipment is normal. Their other option would to not sell to Iran I guess, but no company is realistically going to self-embargo.
| 876 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:24am |
re: #857 Desert Dog
When western companies do that kind of stuff it makes my blood boil. I am all for making money, but when that money is covered with the blood of innocent people, it makes me wonder about the motivations of the ownership. I wonder how Nokia can rationalize this action?
I went over this before, all telecommunication routers/switches have the ability to monitor, control and read (sniff) telephone calls, period.
Every time you type a message and send it to LGF, that packet of information can be looked at by ANYONE who owns a router that the packet goes through.
This is norm for the technology.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:15:11am |
re: #847 albusteve
Honda Accord...best car I ever owned...had three including a 6 cyl coupe....yowza what a cool car
Nothing touches a Beemer! period! LOL
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:15:53am |
re: #869 CyanSnowHawk
It's a riff on his sales pitches.
I think you might have him confused with the other guy....Billy Mays was the OxyClean guy....not Shamwow
| 881 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:16:03am |
re: #875 Scion9
I don't think Nokia et al provided anything to Iran that they haven't provided to any of their other customers. That kind of control and monitoring functionality on network equipment is normal. Their other option would to not sell to Iran I guess, but no company is realistically going to self-embargo.
Thanks, I was posting the same info as you were. re: #876 Walter L. Newton
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:16:28am |
re: #876 Walter L. Newton
I went over this before, all telecommunication routers/switches have the ability to monitor, control and read (sniff) telephone calls, period.
Every time you type a message and send it to LGF, that packet of information can be looked at by ANYONE who owns a router that the packet goes through.
This is norm for the technology.
I did not know that......but as we can all see, technology is a two-edged sword. It gives you freedoms, but it also gives those in power the ability to track your ass down and take them away too.
| 883 |
Cathypop Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:16:33am |
| 884 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:16:45am |
re: #876 Walter L. Newton
I went over this before, all telecommunication routers/switches have the ability to monitor, control and read (sniff) telephone calls, period.
Every time you type a message and send it to LGF, that packet of information can be looked at by ANYONE who owns a router that the packet goes through.
This is norm for the technology.
Called a Sniffer Walter... You can filter by the header packet.
Exactly correct Walter
| 885 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:17:01am |
re: #829 shanec99
I think I'm getting your deal. This is an anti-BS-ocracy. If you want to disagree go right ahead, but the obfuscation and personal BS get's hammered. Lamenting about how everybody sucks up to Charles is exactly the kind of BS that doesn't do well here.
Trying disagreeing and making an argument instead of merely arguing. That earns respect and you'll never get the boot.
| 887 |
itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:17:08am |
re: #876 Walter L. Newton
Every time you type a message and send it to LGF, that packet of information can be looked at by ANYONE who owns a router that the packet goes through.
Also the FBI, who mandates that the carriers give them keys to the back door (subject to court order yeah right), also who knows what hackers or vendor gurus, not to mention the Chinese counterfeit routers with special built in back doors for commies.
| 888 |
shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:04am |
re: #850 American Sabra
I have been beat down on a few occasions too, and felt llike telling some people to "go fondle" themselves, or to use their various appendages to insert into various orfices in the hope of sexual gratification.
| 889 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:14am |
re: #854 pingjockey
Glad to hear you're just kicking back. BTW, y'all might want to check my #435 above.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:16am |
The text of the open thread reminds me of another description by an inmate of an insane asylum. It was written as the memoirs of the inmate, and it was an extraordinarily well-written work, although the author was quite clearly off his rocker. No less a man than Sigmund Freud read the essay and performed an analysis on the author without ever meeting him. The inmate, Daniel Paul Schreber, also hated his psychiatrist, although in this case, I think the psychiatrist was highly conscientious and well intentioned. Schreber's reasons for hating him are rather bizarre and somewhat disturbing.
For more information, look at Schreber
| 891 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:18am |
re: #873 pingjockey
Not stupid. Devious, IMO. They want YEC/ID taught as science, not faith. They are trying to get ID put in schools as science.
Once you strip the bad faith, and bad science away, it's a naked political power play.
| 892 |
albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:30am |
re: #877 HoosierHoops
Nothing touches a Beemer! period! LOL
too much money....that Accord coupe was like a Ferrari...no shit....very fast and perfect handling....you could drive it for hours at 135...I did
| 893 |
CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:49am |
re: #877 HoosierHoops
Nothing touches a Beemer! period! LOL
Check the first comment on this thread. That beemer was touched.
| 894 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:19:52am |
re: #889 realwest
Thank you sir! My families thoughts and prayers to all on that list and some who aren't!
| 896 |
gettinby Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:20:05am |
re: #816 BigPapa
Thank you.
It would be an interesting study to see how we each would rate our own comments compared to others.
| 897 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:20:33am |
| 898 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:21:00am |
re: #891 jcm
Yep. Power grab. I hate zealots of any stripe!
| 899 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:21:33am |
re: #896 gettinby
Thank you.
It would be an interesting study to see how we each would rate our own comments compared to others.
Mine our models of perfection!
*snif*
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:22:05am |
re: #893 CyanSnowHawk
Check the first comment on this thread. That beemer was touched.
LOL
I just checked it out... That is funny as hell.. It's thread Karma I tell ya!
| 901 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:22:33am |
re: #882 Desert Dog
I did not know that......but as we can all see, technology is a two-edged sword. It gives you freedoms, but it also gives those in power the ability to track your ass down and take them away too.
I agree. But the journalist who put together these articles have no clue. They write these articles and it's full of shit.
(I'm keeping this simple) A router is an automatic switchboard, it's a computer, and if you know what you are doing, you can sit down, write software that will do all sorts of things with the data that is passing through that router.
All routers come with monitoring software. You can block IP's, reroute data, drop data, look at it, do all kinds of things to it.
Why doesn't it happen al the time, because the idea of the industry is to LET info get to where it needs to, that's what sells, the flow of data.
But if a country, that controls the flow, wants to fiddle with it, then they can.
Noikia did nothing funny here.
| 904 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:24:14am |
Ahh, I'm like a kid in school looking out of this window during spring.
Gotta get out there.
Enjoy your day.
| 905 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:24:17am |
re: #829 shanec99
Charles doesn't ban people for disagreeing. They get the stick for being insulting jerks or liars.
| 907 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:25:24am |
re: #870 VegasRick
"Wow" - I'm educated. The Germans make good stuff.
| 908 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:25:59am |
re: #901 Walter L. Newton
I agree. But the journalist who put together these articles have no clue. They write these articles and it's full of shit.
(I'm keeping this simple) A router is an automatic switchboard, it's a computer, and if you know what you are doing, you can sit down, write software that will do all sorts of things with the data that is passing through that router.
All routers come with monitoring software. You can block IP's, reroute data, drop data, look at it, do all kinds of things to it.
Why doesn't it happen al the time, because the idea of the industry is to LET info get to where it needs to, that's what sells, the flow of data.
But if a country, that controls the flow, wants to fiddle with it, then they can.
Noikia did nothing funny here.
Wow...Good overview... If you start posting on updating Router tables via the latest IOS operating system....People don't know that Cisco runs the world....They really do...
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:27:22am |
re: #896 gettinby
It would be an interesting study to see how we each would rate our own comments compared to others.
That's easy. All of mine are BRILLIANT! BITING! INCISIVE! And, funny. I'm just not appreciated for the stupendous talent I am. But modesty shackles me from saying as such. It's called The Awesome Person's Lament.
| 910 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:28:15am |
re: #909 BigPapa
That's easy. All of mine are BRILLIANT! BITING! INCISIVE! And, funny. I'm just not appreciated for the stupendous talent I am. But modesty shackles me from saying as such. It's called The Awesome Person's Lament.
AND, you are very modest!
| 911 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:28:21am |
Here's a flying pig moment: AP is mostly telling the truth about the "coup" in Honduras this morning:
Secretary: Soldiers arrest Honduran president
More than a dozen soldiers arrested President Manuel Zelaya and disarmed his security guards after surrounding his residence before dawn Sunday, his private secretary said. Protesters called it a coup and flocked to the presidential palace as local news media reported that Zelaya was sent into exile.The chief executive was detained shortly before voting was to begin on a constitutional referendum the president had insisted on holding even though the Supreme Court ruled it illegal and everyone from the military to Congress and members of his own party opposed it.
(emphasis added)
It is noteworthy that Hugo Chavez had his air force fly the ballots to Tegucigalpa after the referendum had been declared illegal. What does that tell you about the forces behind this effort?
This is no more a coup than was the impeachment vote against Richard Nixon in 1974. Nixon, too, was "democratically elected" and likewise would have been arrested if he had persisted in breaking the law and defying Congress and the courts.
(I expect the establishment media to backslide into their usual pro-Castro and Che-worshipping memes as soon as they get over the shock and let the younger journalists know what the party line is on this.)
| 912 |
irongrampa Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:29:08am |
Good morning from the Adirondacks. Nice sunny day, light breeze,perfect late June weather.
Went to a fireworks show last nite with the grandkids-typical small town event. I'd SO much rather live here than any large cityyou could name. This, to me, IS America--the one I grew up in and love.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:29:35am |
re: #909 BigPapa
That's easy. All of mine are BRILLIANT! BITING! INCISIVE! And, funny. I'm just not appreciated for the stupendous talent I am. But modesty shackles me from saying as such. It's called The Awesome Person's Lament.
I was going to say that, but since it's all true, it just wouldn't be funny -
| 914 |
realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:44am |
re: #894 pingjockey
Hey my friend - you don't need to thank me (and PLEASE DON'T CALL ME SIR!) I post The List because I know a lot of folks pray or send best wishes and thoughts out for folks on the list.
So you now know that there will be LOTS of prayers and best wishes going up or out for you now and continually until you have completely recovered.
It is my honor to post The List.
| 915 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:51am |
re: #911 Shiplord Kirel
Were Comrade Hugo and the Pres. of Honduras close? Politically, I mean? Oh crap must change FNC, Geraldo and an exclusive with Pappa Jackson...Gaaah.
| 916 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:58am |
re: #908 HoosierHoops
Wow...Good overview... If you start posting on updating Router tables via the latest IOS operating system....People don't know that Cisco runs the world....They really do...
Got a job for me?
And you know this, there is TONS of free software, shareware available on the internet, telecommunication software, for monitoring packets, and all sorts of other fun things. Iran doesn't need any help in spoofing with the data. I contracted for 5 months at a small telecommunications (VOIP) firm who ran the WHOLE business off of public domain telecommunication shareware.
| 917 |
laZardo Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:31:42am |
re: #911 Shiplord Kirel
Wait, what exactly is going on down there?
/and why am I suddenly thinking of Nicaragua?
| 918 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:31:51am |
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:02am |
re: #914 realwest
Sorry about the sir....No I'm not. Was raised old school, sir and ma'am are a sign of respect, so there...thbbbbppppt!
| 920 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:51am |
Attn: Gardeners....
20 Garden Veggies That Could Each Save You $25 or More (Including One Worth $600)
Roger Doiron, the founder of Kitchen Gardeners International (and a 2009 Heart of Green Award winner), undertook the painstaking process of determining how much his garden was worth. He weighed what he grew and compared it to the cost -- on a per pound basis -- of buying the same amount of conventional produce at the grocery store, local produce at the farmers market or organic produce at a nearby Whole Foods.
....
Here's a look at the 20 vegetables he grew that were worth $25 or more each, listed from most lucrative to least. For simplicity, we're listing only the value of the garden crop as compared to buying conventional produce at a grocery store. We've also rounded to the nearest pound and dollar.
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jaunte Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:33:13am |
re: #911 Shiplord Kirel
Looks like they are trying to avoid a Chavez-style legalistic takeover:
The government has called the referendum to decide whether or not to hold a formal vote on creating a Constituent Assembly to rewrite the constitution, during the Nov. 29 national elections.At a press conference Wednesday night, left-leaning President Zelaya, flanked by leading left-wing social and political supporters, announced the dismissal of the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Romeo Vásquez, and his acceptance of the resignation of Defence Minister Edmundo Orellana.
A military source told IPS that the meeting between Zelaya and the armed forces chiefs had been tense. The chiefs of staff told the president they could not help distribute and guard the ballot boxes for the referendum, because in their view it was unconstitutional, and there was a court order against it.[Link: www.ipsnews.net...]
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:33:30am |
re: #901 Walter L. Newton
Well, of course, packet monitoring abilities comes with the technology...but the larger question is should these companies be doing business with Iran?
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:33:49am |
re: #918 BigPapa
I am not a Karma Whore! Am not!
Have you ever quoted MM's "And for those of you that did not vote for John McCain because............"?
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:36:03am |
re: #923 VegasRick
Have you ever quoted MM's "And for those of you that did not vote for John McCain because............"?
Personally, I've never quoted it, but I think it ALL the time = )
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:36:15am |
re: #923 VegasRick
Nope, but I about fell over the first time she used 'go piss up a rope'. I was the only one I knew that used that line, thanks to my granpa!
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:36:16am |
re: #921 jaunte
Looks like they are trying to avoid a Chavez-style legalistic takeover:
El Presidente FOR LIFE....no thanks......I hope the military moves out of the way once this is over and lets the people take care of electing a leader
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:36:54am |
re: #924 srb1976
Personally, I've never quoted it, but I think it ALL the time = )
That's quote worthy, and I check that box too!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:37:44am |
re: #922 J.S.
Well, of course, packet monitoring abilities comes with the technology...but the larger question is should these companies be doing business with Iran?
Of course they should. Telecommunications is the lifeblood of this planet. Cut the people of Iran off, then we would have heard much less about the protest. Cut the people of Iran off, and the world would have trouble supplying aid in case of a natural disaster in Iran. Cut the people of Iran off and you cut them off from access to their the resources of the world.
You would be putting millions of people in jeporady, innocent people, if you did that.
I don't agree. The printing press allowed wars to start, you want to get rid of printing?
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:38:06am |
re: #924 srb1976
Personally, I've never quoted it, but I think it ALL the time = )
Often, everytime zero gives a speech, whick is like ALL THE FUCKING TIME!
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:39:12am |
re: #919 pingjockey
Sorry about the sir....No I'm not. Was raised old school, sir and ma'am are a sign of respect, so there...thbbbbppppt!
Carefull, RW has combat boots in the closet, and still knows how to use 'em.
;-P
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:39:20am |
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:39:59am |
Wow, I go to bed with this thread, I wake up with this thread....
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:40:25am |
re: #935 SFGoth
Wow, I go to bed with this thread, I wake up with this thread....
Did you use protection?
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:40:34am |
re: #915 pingjockey
Were Comrade Hugo and the Pres. of Honduras close? Politically, I mean? Oh crap must change FNC, Geraldo and an exclusive with Pappa Jackson...Gaaah.
re: #917 laZardo
Wait, what exactly is going on down there?
/and why am I suddenly thinking of Nicaragua?
Zelaya is a close ally and puppet of Chavez. Like other puppets in Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua, he is trying to scrap the existing constitution in order to institutionalize leftist rule. He wanted to hold a referendum on it, the congress said no, and the supreme court and attorney-general backed the congress. Chavez intervened and had his air force fly the ballots to Honduras anyway. The Honduran military, sworn to uphold the constitution and rule of law, has arrested Zelaya on behalf of the court and the congress.
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Gella Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:40:48am |
Infomercial king Billy Mays has passed away, at the age of 50.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:41:03am |
re: #935 SFGoth
Wow, I go to bed with this thread, I wake up with this thread....
Yes, but do you respect yourself?
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shanec99 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:41:33am |
re: #905 Sharmuta
agree, its in terms at the start of the threads.
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itellu3times Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:41:39am |
re: #920 Killgore Trout
Attn: Gardeners....
20 Garden Veggies That Could Each Save You $25 or More (Including One Worth $600)
Tomatoes are easy, bell peppers too, I don't eat nasturtiums, and I don't see citrus fruit listed, they're pretty easy in SoCal. Zucchini will practically chase you out of the house, cucumbers are fun, peas and beans are easy, it's easy to grow far more radishes than you probably want to eat, lettuce can be easy but you have to pay attention and harvest at just the right time, basil and rosemary can be pretty easy.
These big, new, sweet strawberries they have in the markets now, I've never tried to grow, are they easy? Old-style strawberries were easy to grow, but too small and mushy and often sour. And oh yeah, plant a few blackberry vines, they're easy and come back year after year.
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:02am |
re: #928 Walter L. Newton
What about Burma? what about China? Install sophisticated monitoring systems in countries with known abuses of civil liberties, is that really OK? Here's the BBC article (written by their technology correspondent)...note that the article states: "Asked by the BBC about the firm's attitude to doing business in Iran, Nokia Siemens said: "We do have a choice about doing business there..." Note also, "The firm says it does not supply the system to China or to Burma." hmmm...why not then?
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:24am |
re: #873 pingjockey
Not stupid. Devious, IMO. They want YEC/ID taught as science, not faith. They are trying to get ID put in schools as science.
If the IDers succeed, the school boards should push for the inclusion of alchemy and astrology in the science curriculum. After all, during the Kitzmiller case, Michael Behe was obliged to admit that his definition of science included both subjects. While they're at it, why not throw in occultism, Kabbalah, even Tarot cards? /s.
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:49am |
re: #919 pingjockey
Thank you for the respect. thbbbbppppt back atcha!
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:52am |
re: #943 J.S.
What about Burma? what about China? Install sophisticated monitoring systems in countries with known abuses of civil liberties, is that really OK? Here's the BBC article (written by their technology correspondent)...note that the article states: "Asked by the BBC about the firm's attitude to doing business in Iran, Nokia Siemens said: "We do have a choice about doing business there..." Note also, "The firm says it does not supply the system to China or to Burma." hmmm...why not then?
Or, agree to filter search engines in the name of profit? GOOGLE, anyone?
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:44:17am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:44:39am |
re: #851 gettinby
*whew*
I knew what you were saying. :) It was, however, a little embarrassing during our meeting to review the review (he's over 25 years younger than I). He kept asking me what he did wrong! LOL
Found out it's extremely easy working for someone a lot younger. Was worried at first.
I have over 10 employees working directly for me. And what you've been saying is correct. I keep looking for any common threads on those who do rate themselves extremely high when, in fact, they barely are satisfactory. So far, I've found two -- none of them have any desire to work really, really hard (physically or mentally). They only barely do what the job description states, and they whine about things more than the successful employees.
I've always like the quote from Coach George Allen..."The harder I work, the luckier I get."
Common thread = lack of genuine perception.
Plus, as you say - no desire to work, really.
Your best employees will always work well regardless of what they are paid.
Your worst employees will always say "I'll work harder" when "they" pay me more.
Such a disconnect.
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:44:48am |
re: #922 J.S.
Well, of course, packet monitoring abilities comes with the technology...but the larger question is should these companies be doing business with Iran?
We should. If we cut off US companies from Iran, then Alcatel and the like would just fill the gap. It's better if US companies help in the long run, even though they may be leveraged to do some nefarious things from time to time.
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:21am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:22am |
re: #932 jcm
ROTFL! I do indeed still have a nearly worn out pair of jungle boots in my closet (somewhere!) but since I can't run anymore, all I could do would be to throw 'em at him!
:)
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:23am |
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razorbacker Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:05am |
re: #890 John Neverbend
The text of the open thread reminds me of another description by an inmate of an insane asylum. It was written as the memoirs of the inmate, and it was an extraordinarily well-written work, although the author was quite clearly off his rocker. No less a man than Sigmund Freud read the essay and performed an analysis on the author without ever meeting him. The inmate, Daniel Paul Schreber, also hated his psychiatrist, although in this case, I think the psychiatrist was highly conscientious and well intentioned. Schreber's reasons for hating him are rather bizarre and somewhat disturbing.
For more information, look at Schreber
Once, while driving past one of our many fine 'Homes for the Perpetually Nervous' I happened to have a flat tire. While changing the tire I put the lugnuts into the hubcap and then managed to knock the hubcap down into the ditch, which was full of fast flowing water.
I cursed my fate, and this meek little man on the other side of the fence spoke up and said, "Why not take one nut from the other three wheels and then you can drive to a shop?"
I said, "Brilliant! I can't believe that someone like you is in a place like that. I'll talk to the doctors and see about getting you out."
I turned away and was knocked to my knees, dazed, confused, with blood dripping from a scalp wound. I looked back to see the meek little fellow reaching for another brick. Seeing that he once again had my attention, the little guy said plaintively, "You won't forget, will you?"
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Gella Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:05am |
re: #952 SFGoth
Wow, the jokes are really going to fly.
gawker headline: Billy Mays: Mr. As-Seen-On-TV, Dead At 50
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:21am |
re: #945 realwest
Heh! I just hate going off for 5-10 minutes and coming back and trying to catch up!
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:38am |
re: #952 SFGoth
Wow, the jokes are really going to fly.
Ah, I hope not. I couldn't stand listening to him on TV, but I did and do extend my sympathies and condolences to his family.
As Mom says: "If you can't say something good about someone.............".
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jvic Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:38am |
re: #742 Lincolntf
Kerry insulted our troops himself (remember his comments implying that failures from high school populate our military?).
Yes I remember but I don't see your point.
Sittimg silent while being mocked and diminished by elitist twits like Kerry is no way to stand up for herself, for women as a whole, or for the dignity of her State.
Mocking Kerry's physical appearance also "is no way to stand up for herself, for women as a whole, or for the dignity of her State."
Lack of self-control under provocation is not Presidential.
But was it lack of self-control? Maybe Palin expected that her military audience would be unfriendly to Kerry and supportive to her gibe. Maybe she deliberately pulled the troops into her civilian politicking.
You've given me food for thought.
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:45am |
re: #952 SFGoth
Wow, the jokes are really going to fly.
Not here. If MJ was off limits (and I totally agree with that) than BM should be as well. IMHO.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:48:41am |
re: #24 pat
Barney Frankfurter is a pervert. In every way imaginable. When I see him on TV, not only his sexual perversions and whore house that give pause, but also his strange, creepy, delusional outlook on reality. He has lost his mind.
My opinion of him rose from its nadir by ε when I read that he had taken part in a marathon reading of Moby Dick. Of course, he was given the chapter where Ishmael and Queequeg are sleeping in the same bed.
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:48:59am |
re: #957 realwest
Ah, I hope not. I couldn't stand listening to him on TV, but I did and do extend my sympathies and condolences to his family.
As Mom says: "If you can't say something good about someone.............".
"Say something bad".
///////
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:00am |
re: #943 J.S.
What about Burma? what about China? Install sophisticated monitoring systems in countries with known abuses of civil liberties, is that really OK? Here's the BBC article (written by their technology correspondent)...note that the article states: "Asked by the BBC about the firm's attitude to doing business in Iran, Nokia Siemens said: "We do have a choice about doing business there..." Note also, "The firm says it does not supply the system to China or to Burma." hmmm...why not then?
I say it ONE MORE TIME. All routers are sophisticated monitoring systems. Period. There is nothing special about the stuff. Noikia can do business with who they want, it's not going to stop a country from getting what they need. China certainly has ALL the technology they need on their own. Hell, they can build all the telecommunication networks they need.
In short, the genii is out of the bottle, no more than it left the bottle over 400 years ago with the invention of the printing press, a hundred and 40 years ago with the invention of the telephone, radio, TV and I could go on and on.
You yourself could have a telephone network set up in your home. A small telecommunication firm I worked for started in someone's garage in Michigan.
You are fighting you Idealism with reality, the reality is, it's common technology and there is no way to stop it.
So, you can have all the feeling you want about the wrong or right of it, but it's not a matter of wrong or right, it's just facts.
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:20am |
re: #949 BigPapa
the United States is NOT supposed to be conducting business with States which sponsor Terrorism...(that's the official stance, anyway.) Meanwhile, of course, Nokia (that's a Finnish firm, coupled with a German one Siemens do business with iran -- no problem.
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jaunte Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:26am |
Honduras' Zelaya sounds like a nut in the Chavez mold.
Here's the issue they're fighting over, in bold at the end of this snip:
Zelaya lashed out at Congress early Friday for considering his ouster.
"Congress cannot investigate me, much less remove me or stage a technical coup against me because I am honest, I'm a free president and nobody scares me," Zelaya said in his two-hour speech, at one point bursting , Chavez-like , into song.
"But we have to forgive them. Glory to God! We have to forgive, and I know who to forgive because the people are my support and my best ally in this political process," he said.
...
The constitution, approved in 1982 as Honduras was throwing off two decades of nearly uninterrupted military rule, states that any politician who promotes presidential re-election will be barred from public service for 10 years.
[Link: www.philly.com...]
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Gella Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:31am |
re: #959 VegasRick
Not here. If MJ was off limits (and I totally agree with that) than BM should be as well. IMHO.
exactly, u don't talk bad about dead
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:50:20am |
re: #959 VegasRick
Not here. If MJ was off limits (and I totally agree with that) than BM should be as well. IMHO.
Maybe Michael Jackson jokes were off limit here (and I don't recall seeing a warning), but not in my RL. Frankly, I don't care. (BTW, MJ = Michael Jordan; no one called Jackson MJ while he was alive - not that I recall anyway.) But Billy Mays is not here for oxyclean.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:50:27am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:50:54am |
Well y'all it's been real, but I do have to go now. I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
And please, if you would, keep those Iranian "dissidents" in your prayers/good thoughts.
Let us not let MJ, or anyone else or Thugo Chavez push them out of our minds.
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:51:03am |
re: #944 John Neverbend
Heh. The IDers have no idea of the Pandoras' box that could be opened. JCM wants "it's turtles all the way down" taught. The local imam will want islamic creation taught, the local shaman may want gaia or the Hopi creation legend taught. They think only their 'correct' version of Christian creationism will be taught. Frackin' asshats.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:52:31am |
re: #888 shanec99
I have been beat down on a few occasions too, and felt llike telling some people to "go fondle" themselves, or to use their various appendages to insert into various orfices in the hope of sexual gratification.
hehe Well if the feeling moves ya, have at it!
I think you have to be who you are and let the chips fall where they may because at the end of the day, you have to live with yourself and your own words.
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J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:53:09am |
Here's another article: "Foreign Firms Trading With Iran Face Limits". I say, "Good!" link here.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:53:14am |
re: #957 realwest
Ah, I hope not. I couldn't stand listening to him on TV, but I did and do extend my sympathies and condolences to his family.
As Mom says: "If you can't say something good about someone.............".
Hi RW! Glad to see you! Bet your mom wasn't thinking about Alice Roosevelt (I believe):
If you can't say something good about someone, come sit by me!
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:53:57am |
re: #957 realwest
Ah, I hope not. I couldn't stand listening to him on TV, but I did and do extend my sympathies and condolences to his family.
As Mom says: "If you can't say something good about someone.............".
at least spell their name right?
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Desert Dog Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:54:26am |
Have fun, y'all.....It's Sunday and the The Mother of All Honey-Do Lists beckons me.....see you after I clean the Augean stables to Mrs. Desert Dog's standards.
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:54:54am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:54:56am |
Here one for the extreme right wing bashing...
"US pastor opens church to guns"
"Pastor Ken Pagano told parishioners to bring their unloaded guns to New Bethel Church in Louisville for a service celebrating the right to bear arms."
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Have fun. (and I want a hat tip if this hits a thread :)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:09am |
OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush's fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he's got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn't do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?
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VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:25am |
re: #966 SFGoth
Maybe Michael Jackson jokes were off limit here (and I don't recall seeing a warning), but not in my RL. Frankly, I don't care. (BTW, MJ = Michael Jordan; no one called Jackson MJ while he was alive - not that I recall anyway.) But Billy Mays is not here for oxyclean.
I'm not really sure what that means and I sure as shit don't understand your problem with me using MJ for Micheal Jackson but I do think that CJ (oh, thatta be Charles Johnson for you) will not tolerate jokes about BM (aka William Mays) this early in his death. That's all.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:55am |
re: #770 buzzsawmonkey
As Shakespeare said, aye, there's the rub.
"For this relief, much thanks."
"There's a divinity that shapes our ends..."
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:56:30am |
re: #969 pingjockey
Heh. The IDers have no idea of the Pandoras' box that could be opened. JCM wants "it's turtles all the way down" taught. The local imam will want islamic creation taught, the local shaman may want gaia or the Hopi creation legend taught. They think only their 'correct' version of Christian creationism will be taught. Frackin' asshats.
I what the TRUTH!
Listen to our prophet!
// ;-P
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Noam Sayin' Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:57:30am |
Anyone watch the Discovery show "Pitchmen?" They put a little of that 'reality-show' drama into it, but that aside, it's an interesting look into television marketing.
The Pitch is a craft, and Billy worked his tail off at it. He was one of the best.
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legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:57:32am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
WTF indeed. Chickenshit lefties getting confrontational with old people.
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jaunte Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:57:35am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
That's a strange concept of store security. "You customers are on your own."
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:57:52am |
re: #963 J.S.
Than what are we supposed to do? Report Nokia to the UN? Not do business with companies that do business with state sponsors of terrorism?
After doing all that, we cannot just cut off Iran electronically, that makes it worse.
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:00:14am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
WTF is right. Is there another store you could switch your shopping to? If there is tell the jackass manager why you are not shopping in his store!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:00:19am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:01:16am |
re: #985 BigPapa
Than what are we supposed to do? Report Nokia to the UN? Not do business with companies that do business with state sponsors of terrorism?
After doing all that, we cannot just cut off Iran electronically, that makes it worse.
You can't cut Iran off period. You can hack together telecommunication routers with parts off the shelf if you know what you are doing. And guess what, Iran (as most countries) have a lot of smart information technology people.
None of this is new, top secret technology, these are not nukes, they are simple data packet switching systems.
I'm not sure J.S. understands how common and everyday this hardware is?
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poteen Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:01:19am |
re: #979 VegasRick
I'm not really sure what that means and I sure as shit don't understand your problem with me using MJ for Micheal Jackson but I do think that CJ (oh, thatta be Charles Johnson for you) will not tolerate jokes about BM (aka William Mays) this early in his death. That's all.
That being said, it seems pop culture is under divine attack.//
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SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:02:06am |
re: #982 Noam Sayin'
Anyone watch the Discovery show "Pitchmen?" They put a little of that 'reality-show' drama into it, but that aside, it's an interesting look into television marketing.
The Pitch is a craft, and Billy worked his tail off at it. He was one of the best.
Actually, a serious question about Mays. Before he made a name for himself (or before he was this big) he came across (not in a negative sense) as somebody who was already established: "Hi, Billy Mays here for..." which implies that he was already somebody, like the host of a home improvement show or something. Was that his schtick? Did he become a "household" name by making it seem as if he were already a household name? Kinda cool, if so.
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jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:02:06am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
Talk to corporate offices. Tell them the store is allowing these things to take place..
A big attaboy to your hubby.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:02:16am |
Kayvon Biouki
Fox News talking to this guy now. Very strange at first. I predict that this is the last time we hear from him. It was the Joaquim Phoenix of foreign dispatches. Will Google.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:02:19am |
re: #987 buzzsawmonkey
Kudos to your husband, and a damn shame the confrontational fool didn't get smacked upside the head with a really crusty baguette.
in MI if you aggressively frighten someone with words it is simple assault...criminal
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Gella Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:03:11am |
re: #993 SFGoth
Actually, a serious question about Mays. Before he made a name for himself (or before he was this big) he came across (not in a negative sense) as somebody who was already established: "Hi, Billy Mays here for..." which implies that he was already somebody, like the host of a home improvement show or something. Was that his schtick? Did he become a "household" name by making it seem as if he were already a household name? Kinda cool, if so.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:04:12am |
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Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:04:38am |
re: #990 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure J.S. understands how common and everyday this hardware is?
So we pinch Nokia and Semens, then Alcatel fills the void. We pinch Alcatel..... and the Chinese will fill the void. Then what we gonna do? Pinch the Chinese?
This isn't the time or place to make a stand, although we all want to make one.
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pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:05:38am |
re: #999 Pvt Bin Jammin
I would definetly take your concerns to the highest level, the owners rather than the manager.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:06:12am |
re: #992 jaunte
What grocery chain was it?
It's called Super King Market. Lots of halal food sold there and we don't even have much of a muslim community here.
| 1003 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:06:41am |
re: #1000 BigPapa
It doesn't matter who you pinch. It is part and parcel of todays technology. You can't run the system without it.
| 1004 |
SFGoth Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:07:02am |
re: #998 Gella
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Cool, thanks. Should've known to go to the "Good Book". BTW, Billy Mays proves you can be a success without Big Guv'mint programs.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:07:24am |
re: #1001 pingjockey
I would definetly take your concerns to the highest level, the owners rather than the manager.
Knowing my husband, he will.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:07:26am |
re: #999 Pvt Bin Jammin
re: #988 pingjockey
It's a beautiful market and the prices on produce are fantastic. They even have a butcher that will cut your meat. Also part of our new local redevelopment so we kinda liked supporting them but after this, I don't know that we should.
I would definitely speak to the manager about it and at least find out what the duty of security is supposed to be. I think that's pretty important. The security guard may just have been slacking off.
| 1008 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:08:19am |
The vice presidency is currently vacant in Honduras, so the President (speaker) of Congress is next in line. That is currenly
Roberto Micheletti Bain, who has already declared himself president and who will probably be sworn in as soon as congress and the courts can catch up with events. Micheletti is a member of Zalaya's Liberal Party but has opposed Zalaya and the far left faction on a number of issues, including the Chavez-sponsored referendum.
Btw, the lefties at wikipedia have wasted no time in asserting the "coup" meme, using the term in all their updates on Honduras and already producing a separate article, 2009 Honduran coup d'etat.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:08:36am |
re: #658 iceweasel
Exactly, It sounds so innocuous: "teach the controversy!" or "teach both sides!"
I once sat through a fascinating but controversial lecture by a theoretical physicist about why the Dirac equation (the equation that describes the behaviour of an electron in terms that are consistent with both quantum mechanics and special relativity) could not apply to an extended object like a proton. This was considered to be controversial, and I distinctly remember some of the professors grumbling to each other afterwards about the assertion that the equation could not apply. I sometimes want to ask the IDers if they're proposing to teach this "controversy" as well.
| 1010 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:08:46am |
re: #1003 pingjockey
It doesn't matter who you pinch. It is part and parcel of todays technology. You can't run the system without it.
Walter's right, the entire system is based on routing "packets" of info, the system has to know where everything comes from is going, if you access to the system you have access to the info.
You can't separate it.
| 1011 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:08:46am |
re: #1005 Pvt Bin Jammin
Good. I have no patience for folks who abuse seniors or people weaker than them!
| 1012 |
poteen Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:08:57am |
re: #989 Pvt Bin Jammin
Good on your hubby! A well developed sense of right and wrong.
Don't shop there anymore and make sure you tell them why. Their company policy creates an unsafe environment.
| 1013 |
Bobblehead Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:09:49am |
re: #987 busmen
Kudos to your husband, and a damn shame the confrontational fool didn't get smacked upside the head with a really crusty baguette.
A week old and really hard crusty baguette. No point wasting a fresh one on an the a**hole.
| 1014 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:09:49am |
re: #1006 American Sabra
It was the manager who told my hubby they had the security there for the employees not for customers.
| 1015 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:10:03am |
re: #1011 pingjockey
Good. I have no patience for folks who abuse seniors or people weaker than them!
I just LOVE getting involved in situations like that!
| 1016 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:10:34am |
re: #1010 jcm
Nope. It is what it is. Technology boils down to a human problem as most things do.
| 1017 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:10:46am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush's fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he's got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn't do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?
The manager has to say that, whether he thinks it or not.
Good for your husband, as I don't think it is reasonable to expect a guy to try to mow down a man in a neck brace. I hope that the manager is pressing his own charges, that you all wound up with some kind of ID on the creep? Assaulting a man wearing a neck brace is no joke--I'm not particularly litigious, but in this case, I'd be Jacoby & Myers (sp?) best friend.
| 1018 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:12:06am |
re: #1015 VegasRick
You and me both. My wife asked me once why I did that. Said I'm fifty, spent 20 years in the navy, been there done that as it were and I have no time for assholes or commies or leftards.
| 1019 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:12:18am |
re: #1007 buzzsawmonkey
I think that, rather than merely withdrawing your custom, you should complain to their corporate offices (as someone else previously suggested) by letter; and also write a letter to the management of the store and to your local newspaper.
Hard-copy letters are always taken more seriously than emails. And a little local publicity that suggests the store is not concerned about the security of their customers and their freedom to shop without being harassed by the politically unhinged will do more to change their attitude--which is what is desired--than merely engaging in a one-family boycott.
Thanks, I'll get a letter going for him. He loves those letters to the editor as well. He used to send them in so often they had to limit him to once a month.
| 1020 |
solomonpanting Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:12:44am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart.
re: #1002 Pvt Bin Jammin
re: #992 jaunte
What grocery chain was it?
It's called Super King Market. Lots of halal food sold there and we don't even have much of a muslim community here.
The Creep: "Islam my cart into you."
| 1021 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:12:49am |
re: #1010 jcm
Walter's right, the entire system is based on routing "packets" of info, the system has to know where everything comes from is going, if you access to the system you have access to the info.
You can't separate it.
Thanks. And I understand J.S's idealism and honest attitude about this situation, but, as I have been trying to say, this network telecommunication hardware has almost gotten down to the common status of "get it at Best Buy."
Even your home computer can "hack" packets, if it has a virus on it that is designed to redirect data from your computer to someplace that you won't want it to be.
| 1022 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:14:10am |
My wife doesn't even ask that anymore. She just looks at me and says when are you going to help (them, her, him, whatever)?
| 1023 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:14:11am |
re: #1015 VegasRick
I just LOVE getting involved in situations like that!
Yeah but if you are much like your avatar, they see you and they ain't even gonna start it.
| 1024 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:14:17am |
re: #941 shanec99
agree, its in terms at the start of the threads.
I should elaborate- hanging with stalkers will also get one the stick.
| 1025 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:14:54am |
re: #1019 Pvt Bin Jammin
Heh. My 16 yr old has found out about that. A friend of ours has donkeys. The donkeys are used for fund raisers. You play donkey basketball/softball and a good time is had by all. PETA had a fit. Saying the donkeys were abused, etc... He wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper. It was published and now there have been 3 more letters lambasting PETA and their ignorance.
| 1026 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:15:01am |
Urban farmers on the rise (video)
| 1027 |
jvic Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:15:11am |
re: #1014 Pvt Bin Jammin
It was the manager who told my hubby they had the security there for the employees not for customers.
Maybe they're worried about getting sued by muggers.
Unfortunately, I'm serious.
| 1028 |
American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:15:35am |
re: #1014 Pvt Bin Jammin
It was the manager who told my hubby they had the security there for the employees not for customers.
Oh dear. Well you can go up the ladder and complain, but until you get a response, I would find another store. If someone got seriously hurt, you could sue and you would win.
| 1029 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:15:55am |
re: #1016 pingjockey
Nope. It is what it is. Technology boils down to a human problem as most things do.
Agree there.
The problem is the regime. Technology is neutral, it's how it's used.
The resistance is a good use.
The regime a bad use.
Same tech.
| 1030 |
Gella Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:16:08am |
re: #1025 pingjockey
Heh. My 16 yr old has found out about that. A friend of ours has donkeys. The donkeys are used for fund raisers. You play donkey basketball/softball and a good time is had by all. PETA had a fit. Saying the donkeys were abused, etc... He wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper. It was published and now there have been 3 more letters lambasting PETA and their ignorance.
PETA hate humans
PETA = people eating tasty animals
| 1031 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:16:28am |
re: #1021 Walter L. Newton
... this network telecommunication hardware has almost gotten down to the common status of "get it at Best Buy.".
Close to it. Except for the 3com router I was going to install in a project the other day.... Telnet/Hyperlink configuration by commands only, 1500 page manual, yikes! All for a residential home. We're getting something more 'pedestrian' now.
| 1032 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:16:29am |
re: #1024 Sharmuta
Hanging with stalkers will also give you cooties.
| 1033 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:16:52am |
Many of Zelaya's problems in Honduras stem from his efforts to control the local privately-owned media. At one point, he issued an order requiring them to carry two hours of "government information" every day, mostly tedious Chavez and Castro provided propaganda, with some Spanish language material from far left outlets in the US. The media raised hell and Zelaya backed down, but it created a lot of resentment and anger among his thugs and his ACORN style vote rigging organization.
| 1035 |
John Neverbend Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:17:59am |
re: #219 Summer
I just read that staff from the UK Embassy in Iran has been arrested (locals, not diplomats).
It's the 1970's all over again!
Where are the SAS when you need them?
| 1036 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:18:03am |
re: #1023 legalpad
Yeah but if you are much like your avatar, they see you and they ain't even gonna start it.
He doesn't always wear the horns and usually has his shirt on, but otherwise that's really him.
| 1037 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:18:07am |
re: #805 shanec99
On that point I agree, but it is generally the rational and educated who make the laws and administer the policies that govern our class rooms and all the conduct inside them.
You may be the most sincere, uncynical collection of ones and zeroes I have ever interacted with.
| 1038 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:18:51am |
re: #1017 haakondahl
The manager has to say that, whether he thinks it or not.
Good for your husband, as I don't think it is reasonable to expect a guy to try to mow down a man in a neck brace. I hope that the manager is pressing his own charges, that you all wound up with some kind of ID on the creep? Assaulting a man wearing a neck brace is no joke--I'm not particularly litigious, but in this case, I'd be Jacoby & Myers (sp?) best friend.
The manager didn't say one word to the creep and couldn't understand why my husband was upset since it wasn't one of his employees who did anything wrong. Can you believe it? Neither the store or my hubby got any kind of ID on who this nut is. They just told him to leave my husband and the couple alone. I'm sure hubby will make a formal complaint with the owners and probably send in a letter to the editor.
| 1039 |
CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:18:59am |
re: #978 Pvt Bin Jammin
OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush's fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he's got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn't do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?
They are too afraid of lawsuits for doing something that gives 'offense'. Mrs. Hawk and I observed a known shoplifter carry things out of a grocery store recently and the worst he got was a baleful gaze and some almost rude words.
| 1040 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:19:17am |
re: #1023 legalpad
Yeah but if you are much like your avatar, they see you and they ain't even gonna start it.
I'm not quite that bad but I am pretty well trained, I think the look in your eyes says a lot to folks, especially cowards that would pick on someone smaller, older, etc than themselves. It's actually pretty funny to watch how frustrated they get.
| 1041 |
American Sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:19:25am |
re: #1034 buzzsawmonkey
Lawsuits are the very devil of a way to try and enforce civility--and it is the breakdown of public civility that is at issue here.
Better to try and shame the store into behaving better and protecting the security of its customers.
It is up to every establishment to ensure the safety of it's customers. Whether that's a spill that isn't cleaned up or a fight that breaks out in the store. No one was seriously hurt here so there's no one to sue. If, however, fists started to swing and security did nothing, they would be liable.
| 1042 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:19:36am |
re: #1036 BigPapa
He doesn't always wear the horns and usually has his shirt on, but otherwise that's really him.
LOL -
| 1043 |
callahan23 Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:19:37am |
re: #1008 Shiplord Kirel
The vice presidency is currently vacant in Honduras, so the President (speaker) of Congress is next in line. That is currenly
Roberto Micheletti Bain, who has already declared himself president and who will probably be sworn in as soon as congress and the courts can catch up with events. Micheletti is a member of Zalaya's Liberal Party but has opposed Zalaya and the far left faction on a number of issues, including the Chavez-sponsored referendum.Btw, the lefties at wikipedia have wasted no time in asserting the "coup" meme, using the term in all their updates on Honduras and already producing a separate article, 2009 Honduran coup d'etat.
On this side of the pond 'Der Spiegel', 'The Guardian as expected speak of a coup d'etat. While surprisingly the Beep headlines it "Honduran leader forced into exile".
| 1044 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:20:47am |
(wandering in for the first time today)
Who's in charge of Recruitment around here?!
Just scrolled down the Musselwhite/naked Republican thread, and there's no deleted comments, nor any blood in the gutter from downdinging. Not even a troll's pile of crap at the end.
This . Is . A . Disgrace !
/
| 1046 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:03am |
re: #1040 VegasRick
I'm not quite that bad but I am pretty well trained, I think the look in your eyes says a lot to folks, especially cowards that would pick on someone smaller, older, etc than themselves. It's actually pretty funny to watch how frustrated they get.
Yeah - they seem to be able to feel what's going to happen next if they do anything. It's sort of like dogs.
| 1047 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:24am |
re: #1009 John Neverbend
I once sat through a fascinating but controversial lecture by a theoretical physicist about why the Dirac equation (the equation that describes the behaviour of an electron in terms that are consistent with both quantum mechanics and special relativity) could not apply to an extended object like a proton. This was considered to be controversial, and I distinctly remember some of the professors grumbling to each other afterwards about the assertion that the equation could not apply. I sometimes want to ask the IDers if they're proposing to teach this "controversy" as well.
Depends how you look at it, I guess.
| 1048 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:38am |
Later folks. Laundry. Sheesh, it's summer you'd think the boys output of dirty clother would moderate, some.
| 1049 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:51am |
re: #1039 CyanSnowHawk
They are too afraid of lawsuits for doing something that gives 'offense'. Mrs. Hawk and I observed a known shoplifter carry things out of a grocery store recently and the worst he got was a baleful gaze and some almost rude words.
What a crazy world we live in.
| 1050 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:58am |
re: #1038 Pvt Bin Jammin
The manager didn't say one word to the creep and couldn't understand why my husband was upset since it wasn't one of his employees who did anything wrong. Can you believe it? Neither the store or my hubby got any kind of ID on who this nut is. They just told him to leave my husband and the couple alone. I'm sure hubby will make a formal complaint with the owners and probably send in a letter to the editor.
Subpoena the security video.
| 1051 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:22:05am |
| 1052 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:22:26am |
re: #1044 pre-Boomer Marine brat
(wandering in for the first time today)
Who's in charge of Recruitment around here?!
Just scrolled down the Musselwhite/naked Republican thread, and there's no deleted comments, nor any blood in the gutter from downdinging. Not even a troll's pile of crap at the end.
This . Is . A . Disgrace !
/
LOL
I need to dry off....
| 1053 |
pingjockey Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:22:46am |
FNC reporting 3k protestors in the streets in Teheran.
| 1055 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:23:21am |
Iranian police clash with up to 3,000 protesters
Riot police clashed with up to 3,000 protesters near a mosque in north Tehran on Sunday, using tear gas and truncheons to break up Iran's first post-election demonstration in five days, witnesses said.
Witnesses told The Associated Press that some protesters fought back, chanting: "Where is my vote?" They said others described scenes of brutality — including the alleged police beating of an elderly woman — in the clashes around the Ghoba Mosque.
| 1056 |
Erik The Red Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:23:22am |
re: #1052 HoosierHoops
LOL
I need to dry off....
Hey 2H. What's up? I arrive in Orlando on Thursday.
| 1057 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:23:31am |
re: #1046 legalpad
Yeah - they seem to be able to feel what's going to happen next if they do anything. It's sort of like dogs.
Yep. When you don't get intimidated and have the look of wanting it to happen, they shit their pants.
| 1058 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:23:38am |
| 1059 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:24:04am |
re: #1051 VegasRick
If you guys don't stop picking on me I'm gonna cry and post a "Leave VegasRick ALONE" video!
Cool! Wear your horn helmet, it's hella cool.
| 1060 |
legalpad Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:24:11am |
Alright, damn it, I have to go do things. They won't be near as fun (I don't think) but I must peel myself off this keyboard!
| 1061 |
Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:24:16am |
re: #989 Pvt Bin Jammin
You should write a letter to the President of the company, the regional management & CC the store manager. That's just not right.
| 1062 |
VegasRick Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:24:46am |
| 1063 |
Ghazicide Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:25:25am |
I'm walking away from the keyboard just to prove to myself that I can. BBL.
| 1064 |
Digital Display Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:25:29am |
re: #1056 Erik The Red
Hey 2H. What's up? I arrive in Orlando on Thursday.
Awesome! Can't wait till you get home....
Kind regards Erik....
| 1065 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:25:53am |
re: #1055 Sharmuta
Interesting. It seems there's still some activity but news is scarce. I haven't seen any new video from Iran on youtube or liveleak for the past few days. It's tough to get info out these days.
| 1066 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:37am |
By all appearances, the House is about to vote on a very long bill of which it has no completed official copy.
Texas Republican Reps. Joe Barton and Louie Gohmert have just asked the chair whether there exists a complete, updated copy of the Waxman-Markey carbon-cap bill.
"If a bill for which there is no copy were to actually pass this body," Barton asked, "could the bill without a copy be sent to the Senate for its consideration?"
Through a series of parliamentary inquiries, the Republicans learned that the 300-plus page managers' amendment, added to the bill last night in the House Rules Committee, has not even been been integrated with the official copy of the 1,090-page bill at the House Clerk's desk, let alone in any other location. The two documents are side-by-side at the desk as the clerk reads through the instructions in the 300 page document for altering the 1,090 page document.
Boehner: Climate bill a 'pile of s--t'
Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) had a few choice words about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) landmark climate-change bill after its passage Friday.
When asked why he read portions of the cap-and-trade bill on the floor Friday night, Boehner told The Hill, "Hey, people deserve to know what's in this pile of s--t."
/if what happened Friday isn't already illegal, it damn well ought to be
| 1067 |
jcm Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:43am |
re: #1044 pre-Boomer Marine brat
(wandering in for the first time today)
Who's in charge of Recruitment around here?!
Just scrolled down the Musselwhite/naked Republican thread, and there's no deleted comments, nor any blood in the gutter from downdinging. Not even a troll's pile of crap at the end.
This . Is . A . Disgrace !
/
Yeah! It's a disgrace!
Who let the squid in!
///
Mornin' pBMb!
| 1068 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:59am |
re: #1050 haakondahl
Subpoena the security video.
I suppose we could but I doubt if my hubby will go that far with it. Not only did he ram his legs (from behind) but he got in his face and poked his chest with his finger. I see that as assault and battery. I can only imagine what the verbal exchange was, LOL. When it was all over my hubby told the guy he was dismissed!
| 1071 |
haakondahl Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:29:31am |
19 hours ago, Winston80 (Winston06 here) posted two reports that PersianKiwi might have been arrested. 18 hours ago, Winston80 posted that he is safe. That's the latest I have seen.
| 1072 |
poteen Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:29:49am |
re: #1057 VegasRick
Yep. When you don't get intimidated and have the look of wanting it to happen, they shit their pants.
A Detroit bar bouncer friend once taught me what he called the "Ten Guys Rule".
Out of every ten guys you square up on;
4 will shit and run away
4 will talk shit and run away
2 will go for it
1 will be good at it
He said you'll know that one by the purpose in his eyes and the scars around them because he's done it before.
| 1073 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:32:03am |
re: #958 jvic
She was on the receiving end of a snide little remark by a long-time Senator. Ignoring the childish gibes of bullies like Kerry only encourages them.
| 1075 |
wahabicorridor Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:37:49am |
re: #1068 Pvt Bin Jammin
Not only did he ram his legs (from behind) but he got in his face and poked his chest with his finger
A man did that to me once when I was in the checkout line (he thought I had insulted his wife). I'm small, 5ft 4, 120 lbs.
He had the store employees on him in about a nanosecond and they promptly threw him, his hag-in-the-bag wife and their spawn right the fuck out of the store. I don't think his feet even touched the floor.
| 1076 |
american sabra Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:39:52am |
My point is, the manager is a representative of the company. I do think you should go up the ladder and complain, but unless he's just a bad manager, and he could be, I don't suspect you'll get any satisfaction. And that's bizarre because if your husband had been seriously hurt, they would be liable despite that ridiculous policy.
Last year I was in CompUSA returning a CD. There were two lines of people, maybe 20 people standing there. I was second in line when this old man started talking about the Jews. I don't know, it was so crazy. Something about the guy in front of me unable to return his CD and this old man starts going off about how the Jews control the media, and the banks, yada yada. I looked around the line and everybody was uncomfortable until I finally couldn't take it anymore. I said to him, "No one wants to listen to what you have to say so just shut your mouth." And every time he tried to talk, I out screamed him and kept telling him to shut up. I kept telling the boy at the counter to get the manager, but he did nothing so I kept making a scene hoping the manager would eventually come out. No one did a damn thing about it. I never went back.
| 1077 |
J.S. Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:44:04am |
re: #1010 jcm
Have you read the links I provided above? This isn't about "Yeah, technology enables packet reading!" Of course it does. That's not the argument here. It's about companies in Europe (again, this is not about American companies providing spy technologies to Iran), specifically, Nokia and Siemens, doing business with Iran. I hope Congress acts...(see links above).
| 1078 |
GGMac Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:43:30pm |
re: #691 laZardo
That's actually good to hear. In fact, I still maintain a respect for Christianity or rather Christians particularly because of my devoutly Christian parents and quite a few of the people around me being nice (if not overbearing, well, they are my parents.)
I mainly became disillusioned with the ideology because, unfortunately (and thanks to local politics as well as experiences outlined in #568), I don't exactly believe that a workable concept of "justice" based on morals exists.
If a "workable concept of 'justice' based on morals doesn't exist", it is because we have free will - to behave 'morally' or immorally', or 'amorally' - and choose to act in opposition to what most consider 'good' morals. The universal dispute is over whose morals are truly good. The Christian's standard or good morals is based on the Ten Commandments; the Islamists' standard of good morals is based on Koranic mandates the slaughter of anyone who doesn't accept the Islamist moral code.
WHY there is universal dispute is very simply because human beings are the only species with intellectual awareness - of their actions, and others'. It matters to us how others, and we ourselves, behave because we have the capacity to care - empathy, and because we alone have the ability to feel shame. Shame is not necessary for our physical survival (survival of the fittest), but without shame what we are is sociopaths. Without shame - the knowing between right and wrong - we would all literally kill anyone getting in the way of what we want: food, water, sex, iPods, houses, etc. For me, that capacity of knowing, of feeling shame - and remorse, is the spirit of God; and my own belief is that this is what is meant by "in His image": that point in historical evolution when our species became the only one with an awareness of "morality"; the only ones who weep over another's pain and heartache; the only ones who will fight and sacrifice our very lives for the safety and well-being, or freedom of strangers.
A characteristic of Christians? Yes - and also of jews, and also of atheists. Islam? They weep, because they are human; but I don't know of any example of them sacrificing their lives for the saftey, well-being, or freedom of strangers. I can't see any moral justice in a religion that loves death and has no respect for life.
babbling - shutting up now...
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